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tall73 · 2024-05-21T22:41:16-0500

Paidiske said:
Sure. And there are a number of ways to approach resolving it, other than giving the person with a Y chromosome an automatic trump card.

A . Explain the various methods of resolving it.

B. Nothing is stated about chromosomes. The context is husbands and wives, which involves males and females, but also, a marriage relationship which God spells out as involving headship, and wives submitting to it:

Ephesians 5:23-24 23 For the husband is head of the wife, as also Christ is head of the church; and He is the Savior of the body. 24 Therefore, just as the church is subject to Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in everything. (NKJV)

Paidiske said:
For someone who claims to agree with mutual submission, you seem very hung up on arguing for women to submit in a way that men do not. It does come across as being concerned with keeping women submissive, under control.

I have talked about both. But the only portion you seem to have an issue with is the part of the Scriptures where wives are asked to submit in a way husbands are not:

Ephesians 5:23-24 23 For the husband is head of the wife, as also Christ is head of the church; and He is the Savior of the body. 24 Therefore, just as the church is subject to Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in everything. (NKJV)

You even admitted that they are asked to:

Paidiske said:

They wouldn't even need to mention one-sided submission if they weren't in a patriarchal culture

But you wrongly claim it is cultural. There was no Roman cultural principle of recognizing the headship of Christ over the church, and the husband being called to headship of the spouse in a way that follows the example of Christ. That was not cultural. That was of God. and recorded in His word.

This is a thread discussing the biblical text. So it should not be a surprise that we are looking at what the Scriptures say. And as even you acknowledge they say:

Ephesians 5:23-24 23 For the husband is head of the wife, as also Christ is head of the church; and He is the Savior of the body. 24 Therefore, just as the church is subject to Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in everything. (NKJV)

So for you to say:

you seem very hung up on arguing for women to submit in a way that men do not. It does come across as being concerned with keeping women submissive, under control.

is incorrect. I am "hung up" on doing what the thread set out to do, discussing what the text says on the topic. And control is your word. It is not in the text. Submission by wives to the headship of the husband, who is to follow the example of Christ in love, IS in the text. And it is not at all in Roman culture.

As to controlling "women" I have one wife. I don't need to controle her. Nor do I need to convince her on these texts.

And she knows that it says I am to love her as Christ loves the church. And that gives me plenty to be hung up on, as it is a tall order.

rachelrising · 2024-05-21T22:38:50-0500

I also added a photo of my hypersensivity scores for Autism at the bottom of my testimony. For now, I have nothing more to add.

Miles · 2024-05-21T22:34:34-0500

RileyG said:
I don’t know.

We still have to be good stewards of the earth and take care of it for future generations.

Absolutely. We have a responsibility to take care of out planet. However, this requires accurate information and not scaremongering. The boy can only cry wolf so many times before people ignore him. Constant claims of climate cataclysm that fail to predict real world outcomes make it easier to write the wolf off as fiction. "When will this happen" is an important question. Answering that it will happen soon, and it doesn't happen soon, can hurt the cause as much as saying there's no threat to the environment.

It's one thing to show the effect of humans on climate over time. It's quite another to suggest that New York City will be underwater by the year 2000.

AV1611VET · 2024-05-21T22:32:24-0500

sjastro said:
The Bible cannot be used to contradict science while the opposite can be true where the Bible presents a historical account which can be attested or not through archaeology.

Which, in itself, is interpreted.

Zaha Torte · 2024-05-21T22:32:19-0500

That Guy 11200 said:
If it's all in God's hands then it doesn't matter what NATO or Ukraine does, does it? It dosen't matter what anyone does, since we would all just be automatons, acting according to his will.

If we were all acting according to His will then there would be no wars.

God wants us to choose to follow Him.

Fantine · 2024-05-21T22:30:39-0500

I have been to Catholic funerals for suicides.
I remember one in particular, the son of a water aerobics buddy and a very active Catholic. Her son, high on drugs, shot his ex wife and turned the gun on himself with their young son in the backyard.

The pastor was so kind and compassionate and seemed to know exactly what to say.

Diamond7 · 2024-05-21T22:25:37-0500

There is a page called time.is

I am told that my computer is .3 seconds behind. Behind what? Is time subjective or objective? Do we all share the same moment in time?

If we are looking at our reflection in the mirror. We are looking at the light that bounces off of us and then is reflected by the mirror and perceived by our eyes. Yet our eyes have to connect somewhere. So where is the now? Where does it all connect. Because the light has to travel from the mirror to our eyes, what we see is in the past and not the present monent. Depending on how small a unit of time physics will allow. This is called planck time. It takes 53.33 millimeter for light to travel from your hand to your eye. Depending on where your hand is of course.

If a dispensation is 1000 years then how can 1000 years be a day or how can a day be 1000 years?

I believe God is past, present and future. I believe that God does not heal memories. I believe He goes to the event AND heals us then at that point in time. Which then has an effect on the moment of time that we are currently in. When or where ever that moment is or exists.

We have different sensory preceptors that are integrated in the parietal lobe.

The posterior parietal cortex helps us understand our position in space, perceive distances, and recognize objects’ locations relative to our body.
It integrates visual, auditory, and somatosensory information to create a coherent spatial map.

So when or where is the current moment of time that we are suppose to abide in?

It use to take a lot of effort to get a watch that was accurate within 3 minutes. There was an adjustment in the watch to speed it up or slow it down. Still we were doing good to adjust our watch to be two or three minutes accurate. In the old movies you will see where they all synchronize their watches so they are all on the same time' Before atomic clocks the Janitor had to set the clock in every room so that they always had the accurate time on them. Now we seem to be accurate within .3 seconds. For GPS that is all adjusted. You could set your watch by Television because a program would start at the exact precise time. People that did not adjust their watch could be 6 or 7 minutes off NOT seconds, minutes.

Chrystal-J · 2024-05-21T22:18:07-0500

Praying for your brother to heal! :crosseo:

AFrazier · 2024-05-21T22:15:31-0500

Make a decision. Make a plan. Make a move.

In other words, decide what you want to do, determine what you need to do to make it happen, and then make it happen.

The old expression, "cut your losses," might apply in this case. Make your decisions and plans based on what is, not what might be.

essentialsaltes · 2024-05-21T22:11:49-0500

Federal judge found ‘strong evidence’ of crimes before Trump was charged in classified documents case

Months before Donald Trump was indicted for mishandling classified documents, a federal judge said that investigators had “strong evidence” that the former president “intended” to hide classified documents at his Mar-a-Lago resort, according to newly released court documents.

Judge Beryl Howell cited, among other things, the discovery of additional classified documents found at Mar-a-Lago months after the FBI’s search of the property in the summer of 2022. The records included a “mostly empty” folder marked as “Classified Evening Summary” that was found in the former president’s bedroom, as well as four other documents with classification markings found in his post-presidential office at the resort.

“Notably, no excuse is provided as to how the former president could miss the classified-marked documents found in his own bedroom at Mar-a-Lago,” Howell wrote in March 2023.

rachelrising · 2024-05-21T22:11:34-0500

Dave Darling. I was so touched for you. Me myself I don't think I could attend more than 2 churches as it could lead to confusion for me. However, it seems to be working for you. I wish you the best and end to your suffering in Jesus name. My heart is with anyone who experienced voices. I hope that you were treated respectufully in those 5 churches.

rjs330 · 2024-05-21T22:08:27-0500

BCP1928 said:
Why is it so important to you to paint those who believe that there is systemic racism as making an accusation of personal racism?

Inevitably it always comes.down to that.

BCP1928 said:
Why is it so important to you to misrepresent it as making white kids feel personally guilty for the racism of their ancestors?

Because it's it's only their ancestors that are blamed. No one else's.

BCP1928 said:
Until we figure out why you really don't like the possibility that there is systemic racism we won't get anywhere.

It has nothing to do with like or not like. No one has been able to show there is systemic racism.

zippy2006 · 2024-05-21T22:07:37-0500

(No need to respond if you've already purchased a ticket out of this aptly named Reddit-town.)

Simon_Templar said:
In terms of the knowledge/belief, the primary distinction is that which is arrived at by only natural means, and that which is arrived at by means of divine revelation.

I think I agree with most everything you say in this post, including your reservations about whether the division is complete or watertight. I think it is interesting to ponder the ways that the water gets in. As you say, revelation can inform philosophy, especially moral philosophy. I think philosophy also informs theology (as well as every other discipline), especially when that theology is weighted in favor of the propositional. The other interesting question is whether there is a correlation between faith and intellect (nous). Obviously some, like Gregory of Nyssa, would hold that there is.

joymercy · 2024-05-21T22:05:19-0500

Hey guys,

There is supposed to be a divine revelation experienced by Mary of Agreda, where Blessed Mother took her veil and asked a roman guard to wrap it around his loins to cover it and provide some decency and give her son some dignity in dying.

Jesus was truly covered on the cross. I do believe Blessed Mother stepped up and asked the guard. That is so like our Mother!

It can be found in her work called "City of God" a voluminous work, and here is shared in a PDF form City of God

RandyPNW · 2024-05-21T21:49:50-0500

The Liturgist said:
Hedrick, my old friend, it is good to see you! How are you feeling? I have been extremely ill and in going to church and briefly attending the Scandinavian Festival at California Lutheran University afterwards, I massively over-exerted myself; I thought I was doing better, but just doing that, which would have been no problem a year ago or two years ago was brutally exhausting and made me realize how sick I am. So please pray for me.

Regarding your post, I found it very interesting and I found myself agreeing with the trajectory and orientation of your post.

Would you agree with the emphasis Metropolitan Kallistos Ware and other Orthodox theologians put on the notion that we are saved together, in communion with Christ as members grafted onto the Church, the Body of Christ, through Baptism and Holy Communion, and thus since the Church is the Ship of Salvation, her passengers are saved collectively?

I don't want to have to judge what you mean by "collective salvation!" Certainly people are saved, in the spiritual sense, on an individual basis. But is "salvation" something biblically that applied to the collective?

I would have to say yes. God wanted to save not just the individual but also the society, because that's where we, as individuals, have to live. If God is concerned with social conditions, and angry at social injustice, and I know He is, then He is as interested in the collective as He is in the individual.

So I would agree with you that the Bible seems to focus on the collective more than with the individual. But I don't think this is out of disregard for the importance of the individual. Rather, individual relationship with God has been a given from the beginning, and it is everywhere implicit in every individual mentioned in the Bible.

But the collective, the nation, or nations--plural, need to be addressed because that is where human relations and social evils become a problem on earth that God wants to remedy. He wants us restored in a relationship to Himself, but some of this is so that we can relate properly to our neighbor, to one another.

So God set up and institutionalized a legal form of worship in the OT era such that an entire nation can practice the same religion and all collectively relate to God and to one another in a peaceful, spiritual way. But it is always understood that not all individuals will cooperate. And even those who observe the common religious rituals could do so deceptively, hiding their corrupt ways beneath a religious veneer.

Hopefully, I got your point?

The Liturgist said:
Also, many Orthodox theologians such as Archpriest Andrew S. Damick have criticized the trend, popularized by Evengelicalism in North America, of focusing on “having a personal relationship with Jesus Christ”, which is something that the early Church Fathers never talked about. Indeed one Orthodox priest recalled an incident where at the end of a lecture on the Apostles, the Apostolic Fathers and the Council of Nicaea that an evangelical in the audience replied “I don’t see what any of this has to do with building a personal reionatlship with Jesus Christ.”

Would anybody think that the 12 Disciples of Jesus were unconcerned that they had an individual, personal relationship with Jesus during their collective ministry? But I don't think it was just a pragmatic relationship. Jesus left the Holy Spirit behind when he went to heaven so that all could, as promised to the Woman at the Well, worship God anywhere, individually and collectively.

Some think that having a "relationship with God" is extraordinary, "mystical," and controversial. But those who think this way are either skeptical that God can be touched at all, or they are believers who limit their experience of God to Sunday rituals.

At any rate, prayer to God should extend far beyond the church walls, and express concern not just for our fellow congregationalist, but also for everybody in the world. And we should embrace any particular set of spiritual gifts God wants us to have. If we've made Him Lord, then we should accept His gifts and be responsible with them. And we shouldn't be afraid of criticism from others who have no such experiences.

If our "gifts" are thought to be purely secular gifts, then where is the evangelical value in anything we do? Where is our testimony to others if we don't have light to reveal our works as being from God?

dzheremi · 2024-05-21T21:48:19-0500

Ignatius the Kiwi said:
Why does the US undermine the rules based international order by supporting this criminal state?

Because we're a stupid country in a toxic relationship with the worst states the region has to offer (Israel and Saudi Arabia).

venksta · 2024-05-21T21:48:13-0500

GospelS said:
Of course. Thanks for sharing. I understand and agree with what you are saying but I'm referring to loving your "neighbour" as your church because the church is the people. Any place and any person could be a church, if two or more gathered in His name to fellowship. You are my neighbour here when I'm talking to you. This place is a church. That's how God sees and I also.

Amen!

Matthew 18:19-20: Again I say unto you, That if two of you shall agree on earth as touching any thing that they shall ask, it shall be done for them of my Father which is in heaven. For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them.

tmtj · 2024-05-21T21:47:59-0500

Lov4Christ said:
Do you know what it's like to get a big long lecture about all the things that you are doing wrong by you your own father, and all you can do is shiver and shake because your brain cant process and think at the same time? No thoughts to leave or defend yourself. All you can do is sit there and take it like a beating because thats the way your brain works? I am not trying to sound rude Just trying to explain it is not just thinking slow.

Hi, I read the first sentence and I had to laugh because I know that feeling all too well. I pretended to be "neurotypical" for five years living in a major city, and I got burned out. When I came back home, my dad scolded me as though I was a six year-old-child, even though I am 38. It was a total emasculation. I never felt so small. Anyway, I say this as someone who has ADHD. Most people with this condition have extremely low self-esteem because we have been criticized and lectured our whole lives and just assumed that we must be bad or worthless. I am just now waking up to the fact that the ADHD mind is its own creature and we should NOT be compared to people who don't have ADHD.

Might I suggest, if you aren't doing so already, to try to move around and get outside as much as you can. Personally, I don't relate well to others even though people think I am very social. They don't see that it's a mask. What I am trying to say is that even though being around people makes me feel less a part of things, it's still important for me to be around people because it keeps me outside my head.

It sounds like you have your own journey and I don't want to "tell you what to do", but I do know with the exercise and being out and about with people makes me feel better usually. All I can do is come at this dilemma with my own little contribution. Hopefully more people can contribute. You're in my prayers.

joymercy · 2024-05-21T21:42:14-0500

Hey fellow Catholics,

Can you lift me up as well as any one else with emojis, hugs, scripture, spiritual writings, catholic art, catholic music and so on?

This is a new thread all about lifting up and encouraging one another in our walks with Christ and our daily struggles with life.

Its about more than just a prayer, and it's for you too!

Lets more deeply love on one another through this add on group thread!

Hammster · 2024-05-21T21:38:59-0500

BNR32FAN said:
I’m quoting you. Are you calling your own theology a strawman?

“Using notable doctrines with reform theology, such as the Canons of Dort, the Westminster Confession of Faith, the London Baptist Confession of Faith, or Calvin‘s Institutes of Christian Religion, make your argument on whatever issue you have against Calvinism, but you must be able to quote one of these sources to support your claim. I will allow other sources, but they must be something that is considered an historic document within reformed theology (Heidelberg catechism, for example).”

Estrid · 2024-05-21T21:38:27-0500

Miles said:
A lot can be explained by projection and malignant "othering".

It's kinda serious when a person loses
touch, and does even know they're
just saying things.

Akita Suggagaki · 2024-05-21T21:20:07-0500

mark46 said:
White evangelicals voters have brought us Trump and his MAGA political team. They voted for him in overwhelming numbers in 2016, 2020 and in the 2024 primaries. Polling shows that they will again vote for him in overwhelming numbers in November and will continue to support his political and legal actions.
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My point is a simple one. OWN UP to the choices that you continue to make for the direction of America. Celebrate where your choices continue to bring America. Sure, the rest of America might be able to beat Trump. However, let's be clear. Trump's political present and future is as the leader of white evangelical Christian voters.
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Let's be very clear. Without overwhelming white evangelical support, Trump and his MAGA supporters would be easily defeated and the Republican Party would have to find a new direction.

Most likely true. And requires the question, "How can they be so wrong?"