Harrison Butker talks abortion, fatherhood and a trans activist's funeral

Vambram said:

WWJD?
Unless a person is born again, their eternal destiny is not forgiveness and eternal life with the Lord Jesus Christ in heaven.

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Thanks for your doctrinaire point of view, disputed even by many Christians.

Vambram said:

Let's try something hypothetical. Let's suppose that a transgender activist wanted his/her funeral to be at an Independent Baptist church. Do you believe that the members of that church, as well as the staff & ministers of that church should be expected to be perfectly acceptable to that request from the transgender activist?

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To bury the dead is one of the corporal works of mercy...but to judge the souls of the dead isn't. Golly.

Vambram said:

Your opinion about me could not be more wrong.

But here is my opinion. The liberals don't like that athlete's beliefs and opinions so therefore they attempt to discredit him.
Instead of debating the various different points in his message, it appears that the liberals would rather attack the messenger.

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LOL, I promise you "the liberals" don't really care. The dude can say whatever he wants. But then you guys come along and highlight what was said like it's supposed to give us pause. It doesn't. Can he kick a field goal? Did he talk about that in his interview? I mean, obviously he can and that's all anyone really cares about in the end.

Desk trauma said:

We’re supposed to listen to athletes political views now? Though they were supposed to shut up and play?

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At least it was during an interview he didn’t make a scene at the stadium where people just wanted to watch the game, like someone else did.

Desk trauma said:

Unlike all those athletes who express views you disagree with, they clearly haven’t thought them through, this one saying things you agree with has thought them through. What a coincidence.

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For me, it’s more about where they do it at. People want to watch sports, not have sports double as a place to express an athlete’s political or religious views.
What they do on their own time is their business

KCfromNC said:

This seems to confuse the difference between wanting something to be real and that thing having any sort of external reality. A common problem these days, especially in right wing propaganda.

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What is this supposed to mean?

Vambram said:

Let's try something hypothetical. Let's suppose that a transgender activist wanted his/her funeral to be at an Independent Baptist church. Do you believe that the members of that church, as well as the staff & ministers of that church should be expected to be perfectly acceptable to that request from the transgender activist?

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Maybe a graveside service?

BPPLEE said:

What is this supposed to mean?

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Philosophy is all well-and-good but it doesn’t put food on the table.

Pommer said:

Philosophy is all well-and-good but it doesn’t put food on the table.

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Neither does posting on a forum

BPPLEE said:

Neither does posting on a forum

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But it can float one’s boat.

So the guy has opinions that he thinks are right, that I don’t agree with, and he shares them freely. Whoopy doo.

The problem isn’t having the opinion, is legislating them. He can think the earth is square, the president receives messages from aliens, birds are fake, broccoli is the best tasting vegetable, up is down, and dogs are better than cats, for all of me.

My issue is when people tell me that because they believe it, I have to too, then legislate it, penalize people for not believing it, and/or generally use their beliefs as leverage to claim superiority. You don’t like abortion, gay marriage, women who work, or churches who have funerals for trans people? Cool. Craft your life accordingly. You don’t get to tell us how to craft our lives to fit your beliefs, though.

If he wants to say these things, then I absolutely support his right to do so. Go forward, have fun. I defend your ability to say all the things, no matter how smart or stupid I think they are. As long as what you’re saying isn’t criminal and you’re not breaking a law, have at it.

His views are fine for him. But should have nothing to do with me. Or anyone not Catholic.

Fantine said:

To bury the dead is one of the corporal works of mercy...but to judge the souls of the dead isn't. Golly.

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Do I understand correctly that they will do a funeral for a trans activist but not for a person who committed suicide?

I have been to Catholic funerals for suicides.
I remember one in particular, the son of a water aerobics buddy and a very active Catholic. Her son, high on drugs, shot his ex wife and turned the gun on himself with their young son in the backyard.

The pastor was so kind and compassionate and seemed to know exactly what to say.

Fantine said:

I have been to Catholic funerals for suicides.
I remember one in particular, the son of a water aerobics buddy and a very active Catholic. Her son, high on drugs, shot his ex wife and turned the gun on himself with their young son in the backyard.

The pastor was so kind and compassionate and seemed to know exactly what to say.

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Thank you. I was misinformed

BPPLEE said:

Do I understand correctly that they will do a funeral for a trans activist but not for a person who committed suicide?

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My cousin committed suicide and was given a Catholic funeral. He was 15.

Christians are meant to be countercultural to begin with. A lot of what he says is unpopular? So what? Ultimately he will answer to God and no one else.

JustOneWay said:

It is deplorable to not allow the dead a dignified burial of their wishes. If you can see this then I can't help you.

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The deceased apparently didn’t even ask for a Catholic funeral, he only liked st. Patrick’s Cathedral because of its cultural significance. It appears those who planned the funeral allowed it to happen.

RileyG said:

My cousin committed suicide and was given a Catholic funeral. He was 15.

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Yes, I was wrong about that.