Why Biden decided to speak out about the campus protests after days of silence

Why does this thread exist?
If I had to wager a guess, too many facts were posted in response to the first one for the GOP talking points to be viable there. Best to repost them here without that information lest the marks start thinking too hard about the con.
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Why was Jesus not being more patient with Nicodemus?

Check out Born of WATER and the Spirit and follow up there.

If we try to interpret water as a symbol I think we stumble upon some... trouble.

The first time water is mentioned is when God is creating the heavens and the earth. The water existed before anything else existed, except the Spirit of God.
The second time it is mentioned, is when God cleanses the world from sin.
The third time it is mentioned is when water pours from a rock and quenches thirst.

I am taking from memory, but I think these are the most important contexts.

So again - water is present when God is creating the world - and also when he is creating (giving birth to) the new man.
Water is the means by which he cleanses the world - and also the new man, from his fallen, sinful nature.
The water is able to quench thirst in any situation - in the world as well as in the man.

I think that, by whatever way we intepret the water, we need to understand it's power and purpose. It is what will bring us to newness of life.
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Abortion in Arizona set to be illegal in nearly all circumstances, state high court rules

Up till 1930, all Christian denominations rejected use of birth control. Today the Catholic church is the only church that still rejects use of contraception and divorce. The church predicted exactly what would happen with the use of contraception and here we are today. Divorce, remarriage, abortion, homosexuality mainstream and now transgenderism. What next?
To be fair, there's also civil rights legislation, people have walked on the moon, antibiotics, there's a world wide interconnected information delivery system which one can access via a device which they carry in their pocket, and microwave dinners are a thing.

I mean if we're just randomly listing things unrelated to the subject which happened after a certain date might as well list some of the positive ones as well.
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The law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus, has set us free from the law of sin and death?

A man cannot live in the Law of the Spirit "of Life", that was in Jesus, if he is held captive to the Law of Sin and "death" (deception, blindness, delusions, etc.) That is Paul's Delema. "Oh wretched man that I am".
This is the last time we will post on this to you unless you actually post something relevant to prove what is shared is wrong. No where does it say in any of the text shared that the Law of sin is, deception, blindness, delusions, etc.


Your philosophy here, is that Paul was somehow under circumstances of his flesh that no other human had ever encountered.

Never said that. It is as if you don't read what is posted.

From the OP. Read the last sentence
Paul says that he delights in the Law of God in relation to the good that he wants to do. But then he says he sees ANOTHER law in his members. This OTHER law that he says he found, the law that when he would do good evil is present with him. It is through this law he does what he would not, because of the sin that dwells in him. He as we can't help ourselves.
Sorry no mention there of our slavery to sin when we don't have God's Spirit through Christ.

As Paul mentioned, our slavery to sin is the Law of the sin. And as seen in the text he mentions it in contrast to the Law of the God that He delights in. The Law of God that shows us our sin.
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Kid's Corporal Punishment - a Risk to Mental Health

It does actually because if women are not seen as equals in the division of laborof work and pay generally in society then this will undermine the division of labor within the home. The social setting has to match the household setting otherwise they undermine each other.
But if between them, on an equal footing and with mutual respect and good communication, the spouses decide on this or that division of who will do what, that's not particularly a problem.
Not really. For the time that one is stuck at home and restricted to that role of looking after home and children while the other is out developing their career, work and financial ability some would argue that even during these times its unfair and priviledges one and not the other.
But this is not what we mean by "rigid roles." Rigid roles doesn't mean that (for example) if I work, I actually have to do what is expected in my job. It doesn't mean that if I'm the SAHP, I have to actually do the parenting stuff while the other parent is working. It means that these roles are seen as fixed, not open to change and negotiation, and decided on the basis of gender rather than out of the free choice of the people concerned.
You said "it doesn't make a traditionally gendered division of labour abusive". So different people can believe in both non abusive and abusive "traditionally gendered division of labour" which shows the belieeeef itself in "traditionally gendered division of labour" is not abusive.
I have agreed all along that no particular division of labour is inherently abusive. The abuse is in the control and coercion, not in who does what.
No a hiearchy is not about anything unless there is an mind to abuse.
A dominance hierarchy is about control. That - the relationship of control - is what is being critiqued here as contributing to abuse. No other meaning of hierarchy is relevant.
Abuse happens within this same hierarchy. But we don't tear down the hierarchy. We refine the checks and balances to stop opprotunities for people to abuse and exploit.
That is, in effect, limiting the power within the hierarchical structure; minimising the hierarchical nature of it.
Not really, not to the point of abuse and destruction
So you say. Where's the evidence?
It seems you do, at least to the point where you believe destruction is a good thing, but that would be a significant unreality to believe damaging and destroying another especially your own child hich goes against just about every human tendency to survive and to protect offspring.
And yet abusive corporal punishment is so common. So it doesn't seem to be such a "significant unreality," really.
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Free will and determinism

Yes, what you quoted is untestable. But its reasonable.

I'm just looking for a rational explanation for how it could be otherwise. I wouldnt insist on that being testable either. Just reasonable.
Epilogue:
  • In moral acts, reason commands the will. (The choice between croissant or donut not likely a moral decision but a matter more likely of taste than truth.)
  • Reason informs one's value system.
  • The formation of one's value system occurs over time.
  • One's value system is not entirely fixed but it is also not easily modified.
  • Remotely to a moral decision, the moral actor has far greater free will.
  • As the gatekeeper of his own value system, he decides of those events that happen to him, which ones to internalize or dismiss.
  • In the moment of a moral decision, the agent is less free than he is remotely and acts upon his value system as it is in that moment.
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Planet Fitness sees $400 MILLION wiped off value just five days after banning member who exposed 'trans woman' shaving in the female locker room

I was unaware that PF had taken any political stances, other than the desire to have their facilities run smoothly and without judgment.
It's probably that last part that's the issue. If they're not going out of their way to virtue signal supporting right wing culture war nonsense they're obviously enemies of real Americans.
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SC Senate Passes Bill Banning Affirmative Care For Minors

Nobody knows what the longterm effects will be.
That's why we should trust people who never went to medical school to evaluate the best course of medical treatment for our children.

But seriously, when has "we must be 100% absolutely certain this will work" ever been the standard for a medical procedure? Never, except for now when there are no better arguments against something Fox News tells us we need to be very very upset at, because otherwise how would they distract us from the failings of the GOP to govern?
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Born of WATER and the Spirit

Jesus spoke to Nicodemus in John 3:

5 Jesus answered, “Very truly I tell you, no one can enter the kingdom of God unless they are born of water and the Spirit.
What is born of water?

There are at least 3 interpretations:

  1. Water is a symbol of cleansing, Ezekiel 36:
25 “Then I will sprinkle clean water on you, and you will be clean; I will cleanse you from all your filthiness and from all your idols. 26“Moreover, I will give you a new heart and put a new spirit within you; and I will remove the heart of stone from your flesh and give you a heart of flesh. 27“I will put My Spirit within you and cause you to walk in My statutes, and you will be careful to observe My ordinances. 28“You will live in the land that I gave to your forefathers; so you will be My people, and I will be your God.
2. Water refers to water baptism. John 1:

33 And I myself did not know him, but the one who sent me to baptize with water told me, ‘The man on whom you see the Spirit come down and remain is the one who will baptize with the Holy Spirit.’
Nicodemus knew about John's water baptism for repentance. Jesus informed him that there was another requirement. Ellicott, Cambridge Bible, and Bengel agreed to this interpretation #2.

3. Water refers to natural watery birth or amniotic sac breaking (Smith's Bible Commentary, Dr. Constable's Expository Notes). John 3:

3 Jesus replied, “Very truly I tell you, no one can see the kingdom of God unless they are born again.”
4 “How can someone be born when they are old?” Nicodemus asked. “Surely they cannot enter a second time into their mother’s womb to be born!”
5 Jesus answered, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God. 6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
water || human flesh
Spirit || human spirit

Because of the immediate context and parallelisms, I put more weight on #3.

See also What does it mean to be born again?.

Kid's Corporal Punishment - a Risk to Mental Health

Yes; because when (for example) a woman can support herself financially she can leave an abuser. That's still got nothing to do with the division of household tasks.
It does actually because if women are not seen as equals in the division of laborof work and pay generally in society then this will undermine the division of labor within the home. The social setting has to match the household setting otherwise they undermine each other.
And that's why I've been saying it's important that there is always the possibility of flexibility and renegotiating the division of labour; what suits a household at one phase of life might not be right ten or twenty years later. That takes out the rigidity.
Not really. For the time that one is stuck at home and restricted to that role of looking after home and children while the other is out developing their career, work and financial ability some would argue that even during these times its unfair and priviledges one and not the other.

I think this all depends on the assumptions about what makes for a happy and fullfilled life. Some say its being out in the world, having the freedom to fullfill your potential as a human learning and improving your status so that you move up the hierarchy of development and achievement.

While others especially collective societies believe its all about sacrifice, duty, investment in kids and family and community. So feeling a person has missed out on empowerment within a modern secular ideology that makes the individual needs and rights above all else is not necessarily the true key to happiness and fullfillment.

A footnote here is that as a result of Feminist ideas such as a women need not marray as its a setback to individual freedom and financial independence may women put off marrying and haviung children. As a result there is a new growing psychological problem of unhappy and unfullfilled women who have missed their chance to find a partner and have children.
As for power difference, the main power difference is economic. This is why shared access to finances and shared decision-making is so important, no matter who does the actual earning.
Ironically in this hyper individualised society many young people are setting up relationships like business contracts and wanting seperate accounts.
I have no idea what you mean by "believing two identical situations."
You said "it doesn't make a traditionally gendered division of labour abusive". So different people can believe in both non abusive and abusive "traditionally gendered division of labour" which shows the belieeeef itself in "traditionally gendered division of labour" is not abusive.
What? There is no way to do those things - like isolating someone, intimidating them, coercing or threatening them - and have that be "positive supportive behaviour." There is no way to exercise control over someone (which is what hierarchy is about) and have that not be abusive.
No a hiearchy is not about anything unless there is an mind to abuse. Like my links showed hiearchies are natural and even healthy and beneficial when setup correctly with check and balances. Thats because they are good at organising people, society to be able to manage society.

Abuse happens within this same hierarchy. But we don't tear down the hierarchy. We refine the checks and balances to stop opprotunities for people to abuse and exploit. As you said a person has to make a concerted effort to abuse and control, recreate that situation to be abusive and controlling by manipulation or lack of transparency.
It might be true that they're not seeing the reality of the situation, but it's very common.
Not really, not to the point of abuse and destruction whether thats abusing a child or abusing your own body. The unreal thinking can vary from minor irrational thinking when upset to total destructful and anti social behaviour that harms self and others.
You don't have to be cognitively impaired or subject to significantly irrational thinking for that to be the case.
It seems you do, at least to the point where you believe destruction is a good thing, but that would be a significant unreality to believe damaging and destroying another especially your own child hich goes against just about every human tendency to survive and to protect offspring. Its a pretty significant unreal expectation and view of things.
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How did Judas die?

As I read this passage in Acts, it seems like Peter is describing the fate of the man David was speaking of in the Psalms, who was a real man with a real outcome that all of Jerusalem knew of and even knew where this land called the field of blood - Aceldama - was located. It seems the fate of Judas was similar but not identical. Peter wasn’t recapping the fate of Judas. He just leading up to the point that Judas needed to be replaced in order that the prophetic story (Psalm 109:8-9?) be fulfilled.

Acts 1:


16. Men and brethren, this scripture must needs have been fulfilled, which the Holy Ghost by the mouth of David spake before concerning Judas, which was guide to them that took Jesus.


17. For he was numbered with us, and had obtained part of this ministry.


18. Now this man purchased a field with the reward of iniquity; and falling headlong, he burst asunder in the midst, and all his bowels gushed out.


19. And it was known unto all the dwellers at Jerusalem; insomuch as that field is called in their proper tongue, Aceldama, that is to say, The field of blood.


20. For it is written in the book of Psalms, Let his habitation be desolate, and let no man dwell therein: and his bishoprick let another take.
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Would you vote for a person who believes or does these things?

Women in domestic violence situations (in which many murders occur)

should have a gun. Most of them don't
That would result in more additional deaths than deaths that could be avoided.
So much for your rant agains the NRA
Its pure statistics: For every murder prevented by guns you have more deaths (murder, accidents) that outweight the prevention.
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Will Joe Biden disavow the Anti-Semitic protestors

What “crisis”?

People exercising their First Amendment rights? (Did some go “too far”? but again what “crisis?”)
If you were a Jewish student you would look at this a little differently. This is not just people exercising their constitutional right. This is a coordinated uprising funded by far left money probably Soros. The Biden era is finished, He’ll will step down from the race , probably before the convention.
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Normandt' meditations

146. Delight the hearts of the people


To begin a mission for us and for humanity, we start with Jesus. He is the cause, the reason and the purpose for the Mission.

To accomplish it, there is only one solution, that Jesus be our Lord and Saviour, our Master. If we want to help the world to improve, to find values, to become holy, Jesus will transform us, at our request and according to the trust we will entrust in him.

Mary is the perfect example of an intimate and renewed relationship of Jesus in her. Mary still evangelizes us today through the mission she accepts from God.

Holiness in the world begins with holiness within us. Without our will to live an improvement of life and faith, we reject Jesus’s blessing. Then, Jesus cannot help us evolve.

Holiness solely depends on our relationship with Jesus. The improvement of our existence depends on our intention to receive everything from the Lord and to let ourselves be Loved by him.

The mission received from God is to familiarize ourselves with Jesus, to receive his teaching, to follow him. Let’s become committed persons to increase our faith in his presence.

In this way and becoming more and more filled with God (our mission), his Light, his Love, and the other manifestations of his Love, at the good moment, will unfold, join and delight the hearts of the people (evangelization). These people will also be encouraged to follow the Way, the Truth and the Life, to follow Jesus.

The new American Bible, 2011-2014
Book: The heart's mission, Normand Thomas
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Will Joe Biden disavow the Anti-Semitic protestors

He has been doing his job. He and Sec. Blinken have been involved with the Israeli government and Bibi and negotiations.

As many of the protests are on state property, it is really up to the state AGs to prosecute any who cross the line in protesting, not the DOJ.
DOJ took an interest in state level school board meetings! State property that received Federal funds. Come on now let’s get real about what is actually going on here.
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Understanding the Trinity

The Holy Spirit leaves me lost. A couple of posts up there was a suggestion that Holy Spirit was needed to execute miracles. I doubt that Christians would generally accept this idea.

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It is not suggested as if this is something people have made up. This comes from The Bible.

But Jesus knew their thoughts, and said to them: “Every kingdom divided against itself is brought to desolation, and every city or house divided against itself will not stand. If Satan casts out Satan, he is divided against himself. How then will his kingdom stand?

And if I cast out demons by Beelzebub, by whom do your sons cast them out? Therefore they shall be your judges.

But if I cast out demons by the Spirit of God, surely the kingdom of God has come upon you.



The Holy Spirit also raised Jesus The Son from the grave.

But if the Spirit of Him who raised Jesus from the dead dwells in you, He who raised Christ from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies through His Spirit who dwells in you.
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