Also in hell there is no water - not even a drop!

I believe there are certain elective procedures that should not be done for children or young adults until they have full brain development (around age 25) to make those decisions for themselves. And I think morals dictate that there are things I think should not be done at all.

That said, there is a question for me about how involved I want government involved in making health care decisions. Personally, I think it is fine for .gov to say, "we won't pay for these procedures" (i.e. Medicaid, Medicare, a national health plan if we had one), but do I want them to dictate what happens between by doctor and me in his office? No. (And, yet, we still pat ourselves on the back for living in a "free" country?)

What if .gov said we don't believe people should put metal in their bodies. That is not how God designed us so we aren't going to do hip and knee replacements anymore. Would we be happy with that? Me, not so much.

Moral issues aside, I would like the party of less government to give us less government, or we simply aren't as free as we fantasize ourselves to be.

Bradskii said:

You have either completely misunderstood the point that was being made or you are deliberately avoiding having to address it. I think most people will conclude the latter.

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Most people haven't read my posts in this thread.

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Sin is a religious concept.

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Change the word "sin" to "immoral" or "bad".

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There have been so many put forward. I can see you might want to disagree with them. But to say none have been presented is bizarre.

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No arguments so far. Just gratuitous assertions and poorly designed studies.

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Hell, I have difficulty in changing my own behaviour.

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Good. You've ID's an important consideration on explaining the operation of free will. See my post above.

Yttrium said:

Well, yeah, because I'm not getting how a protein coming into existence relates to biologic evolution. The proteins are basically already there.

If you're talking about abiogenesis, that's a different topic. The process of evolution and the Theory of Evolution need a population of organisms to work with, by definition. Doesn't matter where that population came from. God, nature, aliens, time travel, whatever, you have a population of organisms, you have biologic evolution.

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DNA is directly involved with evolution, you claim mutations in DNA are what create new mammals and body parts. I want to know how the nucleotide sequences got their order

rambot said:

Why does this thread exist?

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If I had to wager a guess, too many facts were posted in response to the first one for the GOP talking points to be viable there. Best to repost them here without that information lest the marks start thinking too hard about the con.

Here in Canada, the .30-30 has been used successfully for deer and black bear. It would be fine for tough animals like bear and hog at ranges up to 100 yards. If being used for animal defense, use open sights. It is a good choice IMO; moderate recoil as well.

JoyAlton said:

Up till 1930, all Christian denominations rejected use of birth control. Today the Catholic church is the only church that still rejects use of contraception and divorce. The church predicted exactly what would happen with the use of contraception and here we are today. Divorce, remarriage, abortion, homosexuality mainstream and now transgenderism. What next?

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To be fair, there's also civil rights legislation, people have walked on the moon, antibiotics, there's a world wide interconnected information delivery system which one can access via a device which they carry in their pocket, and microwave dinners are a thing.

I mean if we're just randomly listing things unrelated to the subject which happened after a certain date might as well list some of the positive ones as well.

Studyman said:

A man cannot live in the Law of the Spirit "of Life", that was in Jesus, if he is held captive to the Law of Sin and "death" (deception, blindness, delusions, etc.) That is Paul's Delema. "Oh wretched man that I am".

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This is the last time we will post on this to you unless you actually post something relevant to prove what is shared is wrong. No where does it say in any of the text shared that the Law of sin is, deception, blindness, delusions, etc.

Studyman said:

Your philosophy here, is that Paul was somehow under circumstances of his flesh that no other human had ever encountered.

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Never said that. It is as if you don't read what is posted.

From the OP. Read the last sentence

HIM said:

Paul says that he delights in the Law of God in relation to the good that he wants to do. But then he says he sees ANOTHER law in his members. This OTHER law that he says he found, the law that when he would do good evil is present with him. It is through this law he does what he would not, because of the sin that dwells in him. He as we can't help ourselves.

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Studyman said:

Do you really not understand what I trying to point out?

Duet. 30: 19 I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, that "I have set before you" life and death, blessing and cursing: (The Law of the Spirit of Life AND the Law of sin and Death) "therefore choose life", ( with the mind I serve the Law of God) that both thou and thy seed may live:

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Sorry no mention there of our slavery to sin when we don't have God's Spirit through Christ.

As Paul mentioned, our slavery to sin is the Law of the sin. And as seen in the text he mentions it in contrast to the Law of the God that He delights in. The Law of God that shows us our sin.

stevevw said:

It does actually because if women are not seen as equals in the division of laborof work and pay generally in society then this will undermine the division of labor within the home. The social setting has to match the household setting otherwise they undermine each other.

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But if between them, on an equal footing and with mutual respect and good communication, the spouses decide on this or that division of who will do what, that's not particularly a problem.

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Not really. For the time that one is stuck at home and restricted to that role of looking after home and children while the other is out developing their career, work and financial ability some would argue that even during these times its unfair and priviledges one and not the other.

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But this is not what we mean by "rigid roles." Rigid roles doesn't mean that (for example) if I work, I actually have to do what is expected in my job. It doesn't mean that if I'm the SAHP, I have to actually do the parenting stuff while the other parent is working. It means that these roles are seen as fixed, not open to change and negotiation, and decided on the basis of gender rather than out of the free choice of the people concerned.

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You said "it doesn't make a traditionally gendered division of labour abusive". So different people can believe in both non abusive and abusive "traditionally gendered division of labour" which shows the belieeeef itself in "traditionally gendered division of labour" is not abusive.

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I have agreed all along that no particular division of labour is inherently abusive. The abuse is in the control and coercion, not in who does what.

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No a hiearchy is not about anything unless there is an mind to abuse.

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A dominance hierarchy is about control. That - the relationship of control - is what is being critiqued here as contributing to abuse. No other meaning of hierarchy is relevant.

stevevw said:

Abuse happens within this same hierarchy. But we don't tear down the hierarchy. We refine the checks and balances to stop opprotunities for people to abuse and exploit.

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That is, in effect, limiting the power within the hierarchical structure; minimising the hierarchical nature of it.

stevevw said:

Not really, not to the point of abuse and destruction

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So you say. Where's the evidence?

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It seems you do, at least to the point where you believe destruction is a good thing, but that would be a significant unreality to believe damaging and destroying another especially your own child hich goes against just about every human tendency to survive and to protect offspring.

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And yet abusive corporal punishment is so common. So it doesn't seem to be such a "significant unreality," really.

Postvieww said:

What fruit did all of his hard work bear?

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Talking point : He didn't do what we wanted!

Reality : Yes, the facts show otherwise.

Reality : What we wanted him to do was ineffective!

Mercy Shown said:

If one is unsure whether their lover is going to destroy both their body and soul in hell or bring them into eternal bliss, there can be no real love, for real love casts out fear because fear has to do with punishment. This is why John wrote. I have written this to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, so that you may know you have eternal life. 1 John 5:13

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God loved Israel so much yet destroyed them because of their disobedience. Why are we more special than they? That we can be disobedient to God and live when Jesus in His own Words says we can't Mat 7:21-23

Believe in Jesus is not I just believe in Jesus, it means to be live Jesus. It means to accept Him as our personal Savior and in doing so, we would trust and live out His teachings and follow His example. Belief and obedience to God are interchangeable. For example, John 3:16 most people stop there, but John kept going showing there are two choices- believe in God and follow Him and His teaching or stay in darkness (sin) and accept the condemnation. Most people want the blessing Jesus brings, but they don't really want Him because they want to stay the same ( in darkness) and do the things we want. If we truly meet Jesus, we need a conversion which means nothing stays the same and we would live by His teachings and every Word Mat 4:4

Sadly, most churches today teach all you have to do is believe, you don't need to keep God's commandments, all you need to do is love God/neighbor and the definition for love is what each of us determine and not the biblical definition of love 1 John 5:2-3 John 14:15 Exo 20:6 but Jesus in His own Words says this is not true. People don't be live His teaching they believe their pastors over the clear Word of God.

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This is the gospel, the good news. Hebrews 4:6 relates, For by one sacrifice he has made perfect forever those who are being made holy. Anyone who receives Christ also receives eternal life, but this must be done by faith, a gift from God.

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Amen Jesus gave us everything and if we have faith -will we be live His teachings? John 14:15 Exo 20:6 Mat 5:19-30 Mat 15:3-14 Mark 7:7-13 Luke 4:16, Isa 56:1-6 Mat 2:27 etc etc How does one have faith in Jesus but not have faith to do what He asks?

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Do some fall away, yes, but that is a free-will choice. Each of us has the promise that if we believe and trust in Jesus' righteousness as our own, we are saved and receive eternal life. Jesus was recorded in John 11:26 as saying, "...and whoever lives by believing in me will never die. Do you believe this?”

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With all my heart, we must live by believing in Him which means we believe His teachings and the example He left for us on how to live righteously. 1 John 2:3-6 John 15:10 Psa 119:172

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If I am found in Christ's righteousness, what will Jesus judge?

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All are Judged by Jesus 2 Cor 5:10 the question is will we be able to stand in His presence when He comes. I pray that we all will.

Pommer said:

I was unaware that PF had taken any political stances, other than the desire to have their facilities run smoothly and without judgment.

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It's probably that last part that's the issue. If they're not going out of their way to virtue signal supporting right wing culture war nonsense they're obviously enemies of real Americans.

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Jesus spoke to Nicodemus in John 3:

5 Jesus answered, “Very truly I tell you, no one can enter the kingdom of God unless they are born of water and the Spirit.

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What is born of water?

There are at least 3 interpretations:

1. Water is a symbol of cleansing, Ezekiel 36:

25 “Then I will sprinkle clean water on you, and you will be clean; I will cleanse you from all your filthiness and from all your idols. 26“Moreover, I will give you a new heart and put a new spirit within you; and I will remove the heart of stone from your flesh and give you a heart of flesh. 27“I will put My Spirit within you and cause you to walk in My statutes, and you will be careful to observe My ordinances. 28“You will live in the land that I gave to your forefathers; so you will be My people, and I will be your God.

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2. Water refers to water baptism. John 1:

33 And I myself did not know him, but the one who sent me to baptize with water told me, ‘The man on whom you see the Spirit come down and remain is the one who will baptize with the Holy Spirit.’

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Nicodemus knew about John's water baptism for repentance. Jesus informed him that there was another requirement. Ellicott, Cambridge Bible, and Bengel agreed to this interpretation #2.

3. Water refers to natural watery birth or amniotic sac breaking (Smith's Bible Commentary, Dr. Constable's Expository Notes). John 3:

3 Jesus replied, “Very truly I tell you, no one can see the kingdom of God unless they are born again.”
4 “How can someone be born when they are old?” Nicodemus asked. “Surely they cannot enter a second time into their mother’s womb to be born!”
5 Jesus answered, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God. 6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

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water || human flesh
Spirit || human spirit

Because of the immediate context and parallelisms, I put more weight on #3.

See also What does it mean to be born again?.

Nithavela said:

Y'all have been beating this dead horse for 1.5 years and over 600 posts.

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Without necroequestrianflagellation the forums would be near silent.

tdidymas said:

Why can't both of those be true?

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Did I say they can't?

discombobulated1 said:

Women in domestic violence situations (in which many murders occur)

should have a gun. Most of them don't

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That would result in more additional deaths than deaths that could be avoided.

discombobulated1 said:

So much for your rant agains the NRA

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Its pure statistics: For every murder prevented by guns you have more deaths (murder, accidents) that outweight the prevention.

TruthInLight said:

Could God have healed the orangutan of its wound by chance?

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It wouldn't matter to them at this point.

What matters to them is the orangutan's actions, not God's.

The orangutan may have even been trained to do that, or mimicking the movements of someone in front of him.

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146. Delight the hearts of the people


To begin a mission for us and for humanity, we start with Jesus. He is the cause, the reason and the purpose for the Mission.

To accomplish it, there is only one solution, that Jesus be our Lord and Saviour, our Master. If we want to help the world to improve, to find values, to become holy, Jesus will transform us, at our request and according to the trust we will entrust in him.

Mary is the perfect example of an intimate and renewed relationship of Jesus in her. Mary still evangelizes us today through the mission she accepts from God.

Holiness in the world begins with holiness within us. Without our will to live an improvement of life and faith, we reject Jesus’s blessing. Then, Jesus cannot help us evolve.

Holiness solely depends on our relationship with Jesus. The improvement of our existence depends on our intention to receive everything from the Lord and to let ourselves be Loved by him.

The mission received from God is to familiarize ourselves with Jesus, to receive his teaching, to follow him. Let’s become committed persons to increase our faith in his presence.

In this way and becoming more and more filled with God (our mission), his Light, his Love, and the other manifestations of his Love, at the good moment, will unfold, join and delight the hearts of the people (evangelization). These people will also be encouraged to follow the Way, the Truth and the Life, to follow Jesus.

The new American Bible, 2011-2014
Book: The heart's mission, Normand Thomas

Occams Barber said:

The Holy Spirit leaves me lost. A couple of posts up there was a suggestion that Holy Spirit was needed to execute miracles. I doubt that Christians would generally accept this idea.

OB

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It is not suggested as if this is something people have made up. This comes from The Bible.

But Jesus knew their thoughts, and said to them: “Every kingdom divided against itself is brought to desolation, and every city or house divided against itself will not stand. If Satan casts out Satan, he is divided against himself. How then will his kingdom stand?

And if I cast out demons by Beelzebub, by whom do your sons cast them out? Therefore they shall be your judges.

But if I cast out demons by the Spirit of God, surely the kingdom of God has come upon you.


The Holy Spirit also raised Jesus The Son from the grave.

But if the Spirit of Him who raised Jesus from the dead dwells in you, He who raised Christ from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies through His Spirit who dwells in you.

jamiec said:

I don't see these differences as problems.

I think they show only that the Evangelists edited the materials available to them, and that the Evangelists had different theologies and different audiences & different purposes.

I think these differences are a very good thing, & tell us far more about Christ than if there are were no differences between the Gospels. It is impossible to make the Gospels agree perfectly - I take that as a sign that they are meant not to agree perfectly.

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Yes to different audiences and purposes. A hard no to different theologies.
If that were true, what could we possibly base our beliefs on?
It is not impossible to make the gospels reconcile perfectly. I have done it myself through research on several portions that troubled me.