Abortion in Arizona set to be illegal in nearly all circumstances, state high court rules

[NxNW]

When Roe was around, it was legal to the 9th month in some states

Not because of Roe, it wasn't.

A lot of people thought there were restrictions w/ Roe but there were not. It's just that most states did not have a doctor to do them at that late stage.

Roe only protected abortion until the fetus was viable.

 

[NxNW]

Just for the record

I am fine

with

Arizona's law

It's the best there is in this country

You mean the abortion ban that was just repealed?

 

[JoyAlton]

Arizona was going to be a tight race in November....now with the States Supreme Court upholding a Civil War era law, I expect Republicans will lose across many races as many will be voting for the ballot measure to protect a woman's right to chose. The law is on hold pending review by a lower court (details pending).

"The Arizona Supreme Court on Tuesday upheld a 160-year-old abortion ban that could shutter abortion clinics in the state, saying the law that existed before Arizona became a state could be enforced going forward.

The ruling indicated the ban can only be prospectively enforced and the court stayed enforcement for 14 days. But it's already causing political earthquakes.

The pre-statehood law mandates two to five years in prison for anyone aiding an abortion, except if the procedure is necessary to save the life of the mother. A law from the same era requiring at least a year in prison for a woman seeking an abortion was repealed in 2021."

Abortion in Arizona set to be illegal in nearly all circumstances, state high court rules

The 1864 law mandates prison time for abortion providers and only allows for abortion if the mother's life is at risk.

www.azcentral.com

Up till 1930, all Christian denominations rejected use of birth control. Today the Catholic church is the only church that still rejects use of contraception and divorce. The church predicted exactly what would happen with the use of contraception and here we are today. Divorce, remarriage, abortion, homosexuality mainstream and now transgenderism. What next?

 

[Belk]

Up till 1930, all Christian denominations rejected use of birth control. Today the Catholic church is the only church that still rejects use of contraception and divorce. The church predicted exactly what would happen with the use of contraception and here we are today. Divorce, remarriage, abortion, homosexuality mainstream and now transgenderism. What next?

Well, except the Shakers if you consider forced celibacy birth control.

 

[DaisyDay]

Issac for Judaism.

Jesus for Christianity.

And Ismail for Islam.

 

[Belk]

And Ismail for Islam.

Oh! I am unfamiliar with that one. I'll have to look that up. Thank you.

 

[tampasteve]

If he so opposed it seems odd that he would make child sacrifice the precipitating event of both Judaism and Christianity.

Jesus was by no accounts anywhere close to being a child when he was crucified and Isaac was not sacrificed either, as noted.

 

[Desk trauma]

What next?

Dogs and cats, living together, total chaos!

 

[Slibhin]

Up till 1930, all Christian denominations rejected use of birth control. Today the Catholic church is the only church that still rejects use of contraception and divorce. The church predicted exactly what would happen with the use of contraception and here we are today. Divorce, remarriage, abortion, homosexuality mainstream and now transgenderism. What next?

Orthodox Jews are not allowed to use birth control either and we aren't awash in LGBT, divorce and transgender people. How exactly does birth control lead to those things?

 

[Belk]

Jesus was by no accounts anywhere close to being a child when he was crucified and Isaac was not sacrificed either, as noted.

Yet they were both offered up for sacrifice. As I said, it strikes me as odd if he is opposed to human sacrifice. Other members note they see it as the opposite as I do so obviously opinions vary.

 

[NxNW]

Up till 1930, all Christian denominations rejected use of birth control. Today the Catholic church is the only church that still rejects use of contraception and divorce. The church predicted exactly what would happen with the use of contraception and here we are today. Divorce, remarriage, abortion, homosexuality mainstream and now transgenderism. What next?

A lesson in cause and effect would be appropriate.

 

[Pommer]

Up till 1930, all Christian denominations rejected use of birth control.

Imma gonna need a cite, thanks.

 

[KCfromNC]

Up till 1930, all Christian denominations rejected use of birth control. Today the Catholic church is the only church that still rejects use of contraception and divorce. The church predicted exactly what would happen with the use of contraception and here we are today. Divorce, remarriage, abortion, homosexuality mainstream and now transgenderism. What next?

To be fair, there's also civil rights legislation, people have walked on the moon, antibiotics, there's a world wide interconnected information delivery system which one can access via a device which they carry in their pocket, and microwave dinners are a thing.

I mean if we're just randomly listing things unrelated to the subject which happened after a certain date might as well list some of the positive ones as well.

 

[wing2000]

Up till 1930, all Christian denominations rejected use of birth control. Today the Catholic church is the only church that still rejects use of contraception and divorce. The church predicted exactly what would happen with the use of contraception and here we are today. Divorce, remarriage, abortion, homosexuality mainstream and now transgenderism. What next?

Are you suggesting the chruch influenced the 1864 law in the territory of Arizona?

[As referenced earlier in this thread]

Section 38 offers another assessment of pregnancy.
“If any woman shall endeavor, privately, either by herself or the procurement of others, to conceal the death of any issue of her body, male or female, which, if born alive, would be a bastard, so that it may not come to light, whether it shall have been murdered or not,” it reads, “every such mother being convicted thereof shall suffer imprisonment in the county jail for a term not exceeding one year.”

In other words, if you were to become pregnant out of wedlock and have a miscarriage — and then conceal it — you could go to jail for a year. If you disagreed with this rule, of course, you had little recourse. Only “white male citizens” of the United States or Mexico who’d lived in the territory for six months were allowed to vote.

In Section 47, the Howell Code addresses rape, which is defined as “the carnal knowledge of a female, forcibly and against her will.” It also specifies penalties for having “carnal knowledge of any female child under the age of ten years, either with or without her consent.” To put a fine point on it, the “consent” at issue there is purportedly coming from a 9-year-old.

 

[Hans Blaster]

To be fair, there's also civil rights legislation, people have walked on the moon, antibiotics, there's a world wide interconnected information delivery system which one can access via a device which they carry in their pocket, and microwave dinners are a thing.

I mean if we're just randomly listing things unrelated to the subject which happened after a certain date might as well list some of the positive ones as well.

It really depends on if the opposition to abortion is based on actually thinking it kills persons with souls, or if it is about controlling the lives of women. If it is the latter then it is tied to keeping women from divorcing bad/abusive husbands, remarrying better ones, controlling the timing of their child bearing, and even living legally in a relationship with another woman if that's how she feels. They keep telling me its the "baby murder" thing, but then tie abortion to these other things...

 

[essentialsaltes]

Arizona Republicans move to protect anti-choice Supreme Court justices on the ballot in November​

Longtime Arizonans will know Bolick, who is married to Republican Legislator Shawnna Bolick. When he was appointed to the Supreme Court by Gov. Ducey in 2016, Bolick had no judicial experience.

When it was Shawnna Bolick’s turn to speak, the words tumbled out of her.

The conservative lawmaker was in the middle of a heated debate in the Republican-led Arizona Senate on a bill to repeal an 1864 law banning nearly all abortions, and Democrats needed at least one more vote from the right to advance the bill.

Bolick, head hung low and tripping over her words for 20 minutes, described her three difficult pregnancies, including one that ended in miscarriage. She said she wouldn’t have got through it “without the moral support of my husband.”

“I vote aye.”

Her support pushed the bill over the finish line, and a day later on May 2, Democratic Gov. Katie Hobbs signed it into law.

Shawnna Bolick’s vote to nullify her spouse’s ruling underscores the increasingly chaotic philosophical and legal landscape surrounding abortion access in Arizona, and it reflects national Republicans’ struggle to navigate the politics of abortion during a presidential election year.

 

[RileyG]

Up till 1930, all Christian denominations rejected use of birth control. Today the Catholic church is the only church that still rejects use of contraception and divorce. The church predicted exactly what would happen with the use of contraception and here we are today. Divorce, remarriage, abortion, homosexuality mainstream and now transgenderism. What next?

You’re absolutely right. It’s a spiritual crisis. But those who don’t acknowledge God won’t see it that way.

 

[RileyG]

Well, except the Shakers if you consider forced celibacy birth control.

Well….in a way they were monastic.

The Shakers still exist, there are 2 (yes, 2) left in the world today.