I’ve never said that we aren’t saved by grace. The whole point of my conversation since the very beginning is that a believer can lose their salvation. I’ve never once argued against salvation by grace thru faith.
If what you heard from the beginning abides in you, you also will abide in the Son and in the Father. And this is the promise that He has promised us—eternal life. These things I have written to you concerning those who try to deceive you.
The condition was based on receiving the Spirit by faith in order to remain in the faith.
No one seems to understand how the old covenant applies to us today. David tells us we do what is good and right for our own sake and for our own benifit. Because God loves us, He wants what is best for us.
That’s not what John wrote in 1 John 2:19. You’re extrapolating the message into saying more than what it actually says. John wasn’t writing to the Galatians and he didn’t write that statement in the context pertaining to all who fall away. That statement was written about a specific group of people who were antichrists. The reason you don’t understand the verses I’ve been posting is because you’re allowing your doctrines to dictate what the Bible teaches. I’m sure you come across a lot of verses where you have to say to yourself, this can’t actually mean what it appears to be saying because that would mean that they could lose their salvation. I did the same thing until I began to read the early church writings from the first two centuries to see what they actually believed. Nobody taught eternal security until the 16th century. All of the apostolic churches since the very beginning taught that people can lose their salvation. If you really want to know what the authors of the New Testament taught and how they interpreted the scriptures you should read the writings of their followers. They have a lot more knowledge than people who weren’t even born for another 1500 years.
And you say that a believer can lose salvation , and will you provide a verse , PLEASE and verse as to how Paul was saved ?
Paul was specifically chosen by God for a specific task, his experience is unlike anything anyone else has encountered. So we can’t apply his situation to everyone. Paul was an unbeliever who was arresting and killing Christians. It is likely that he participated in the death of Stephen according to Acts 7. A very strong argument can be made that Paul was actually forced to believe in Christ due to the nature of the events that led to his conversion. So I’m not sure why you think his conversion has anything to do with eternal security since he was not a believer in Christ before Damascus.
Sure, you want a verse proving that salvation can be lost, how about James 5:19-20?
And how do you CONVERT a person ?
Since you are forewarned, beware that you are not carried away with the error of the wicked and fall away from solid ground; but grow in the grace and knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. To Him be the glory both now and forever. Amen. 2 Peter 3:17-18
So what? Who cares if it was written to Jews or Gentiles, or the Loch Ness Monster? Both Jews and Gentiles are saved the exact same way. Do you think Jews are saved by practicing Judaism? Do you think they have different rules to follow? All of the apostles were Jews, do you think Gentiles are the only ones saved by grace?
If Jesus commands our destiny we wouldn't sin.
Yeah, how does this idea fit with Galatians 5:4? Does it contradict Galatians 5:4 or does it actually coincide with Galatians 5:4?
And here is what Gal 5:4 means !!
You might have a grand delusion of being the master of your own domain, but outside of Christ, you will die in the domain of sin. (John 8:24)
To each his own, but fleeing from Him is counterproductive to bearing fruit in His kingdom.
Whoever abides in Him does not sin, but anyone who persists in sin [in rebellion] has not seen and does not know Him. 1 John 3:6
Like we actually needed any of this to understand the meaning of the passage. If Christ has become of no effect and they have fallen from grace then they do not have atonement for their sins.
I was seeking to find God for a long time. He lead me to Jesus, Jesus lead me to the Holy Sprit. The Holy Spirit showed me Jesus and Jesus shows us God the Father. It is sort of a package deal, three in one. Jesus is the door or the gate we enter in through Him.
