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I am comforted to know that there are others like me - Now, what about salvation?

Two of my favorite resources about OCD are scrupulosity.com and Mark DeJesus YouTube videos. Scrupulosity.com has a helpful group coaching program, as well as loads of articles about different scrupulosity topics. Here is one:Why Do I Always Have Salvation Doubts? - Scrupulosity.com
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Churches vandalized in Sudan with Islamic Shahadah written on walls

Two churches in Port Sudan were defaced in coordinated acts of vandalism, with Islamic declarations painted in red graffiti on their exterior walls. The incidents occurred last week in the center of the city’s market area.

At the Sudan Evangelical Presbyterian Church, the Islamic Shahadah, which reads “There is no God but Allah, and Muhammad is his messenger,” was scrawled alongside a Qur’anic verse, “There is no God but He, the Lord of the Honorable Throne,” the U.K.-based group Christian Solidarity Worldwidereported.

On the walls of the nearby Orthodox Church, vandals sprayed the phrase “Allah is eternal.”

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4 reactions to spiritual, allegorical concepts in 'Wicked: For Good'

Following the release of “Wicked: For Good,” many people have reacted to the film’s spiritual and allegorical elements and what it says about friendships, morality and the idea of good versus evil.

“Wicked: For Good,” which officially debuted in theatres on Nov. 21, is the second half of the film adaptation of the stage musical, which premiered on Broadway in 2003. The first movie, released in November 2024, covered Act One of the musical, while the latest film is an adaptation of Act Two.

Here are four notable reactions to “Wicked: For Good.”

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Writing for Focus on the Family’s Plugged In, which reviews popular forms of entertainment to help families navigate the culture, Emily Tsiao wrote that “Wicked: For Good” is “just as magical and musical” as the first film. She also praised the movie’s “endearing story of enduring friendship,” which she predicted would drive many people to tears.

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What would have happened to Adam and Eve and Cain after death?

Like for everyone else, repentance is key.
Be blessed
Genesis 4:25 NIV
[25] Adam made love to his wife again, and she gave birth to a son and named him Seth, saying, “God has granted me another child in place of Abel, since Cain killed him.”

I think this verse implies that Cane eventually repented. But I cannot confirm it.
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GOD'S REAL ISRAEL AND THE TRUE CHURCH?

Sainthood signifies a positional status in Christ—being set apart by God for His special use and purpose. It does not imply sinless perfection, but a calling to live a life that reflects God's moral purity.

Just to clarify ...

The term "saints" in the New Testament epistles is used by Paul to address living members of the church (e.g., in Rome, Corinth, and Philippi), not just deceased individuals who have been canonized by a church.
Incorrect. Paul says, Ephesians 2:19,20. The whole building including the foundation is a dwelling place for GODS SPIRIT. Furthermore, in Hebrews 11:40 these preChrist saints of the same faith as you and I will be in the first resurrection with us, and only the church is in the first resurrection. These preChrist saints are the root of the olive tree in Romans 11:18 We, you and I are children of Abraham according to faith, the same faith Abraham and all these ancient saints had. The church did not begin on Pentecost. Pentecost was stage 2 the calling of the Gentiles. This is one reason why Paul is the dominant writer of the New Testament. This is the fulfillment of the prophecy to call the Gentiles. The church goes back before the law was even given. One reason why Christ came was to confirm the covenant, the promises made to the fathers. Romans 15:8 What the vast majority of people do not know is that the promises, the new covenant was given to Abraham but needed confirmation by Jesus Christ. This is the real reason why Jesus was baptized by John, to fulfill all righteousness. John didn’t even have the authority to baptize with the Holy Spirit, that authority belonged to Jesus as confirmed by Johns own words. Matthew 3:11 and this is further proven by Acts 19:3-7 The baptism of Jesus was also the fulfillment of the sign given to John to identify the messiah. John 1:33 Many people fail to live by every word of GOD. What I have written here is true but I can’t prove it to anyone because only GOD can open a persons eyes to see and ears to hear. The information I have given here can be used to correct many errors that exist in understanding but only the church has been given to know the mysteries of the kingdom of GOD to all others it has not be given. Matthew 13:11 The one called, Loves Gods Word, has knowledge and he may know these things as well.
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The Reality of Free Will

"of" is still a preposition, so "will" is still a noun.

Not really. The synonym list is something I already knew. In fact, in semantics there are even more. When people start talking about free will they end up collapsing distinct categories --> voluntariness, autonomy, and intent into one synonym set. <--That’s equivocation. Some also claim free will means they could've done the other. <-- Another form of equivocation. The bottom line is it's not a stable term if not qualified.

But it doesn't matter how much the meaning of free will changes, because like I said in Genesis 3:17 God says Adam ‘hearkened’ (shāmaʿ) to the woman, which rules out voluntariness and autonomy. The only sense left is intent, which is not the case when one is being persuaded, so there is no philosophical construct of self‑determination in the text.


I didn't say free will is a noun, I said "will" is a noun in this sentence -> Thus Adam acted on his own free will.

I’m not changing my argument. I’m addressing how you’re using the phrase “free will.” You’re sliding between adverbial voluntariness (“willingly”), noun level capacity (self‑determination), and mere intent, then denying the noun when pressed.

My argument is this: Genesis 3:17 says Adam “hearkened” to the woman, which denotes obedience to persuasion. That rules out autonomy and voluntariness. If by “free will” you only mean intent, then say intent. But the OP accuses Adam using a philosophical construct of self‑determination the text does not provide.
Well, I'm glad to hear you admit you are not addressing the OP, but only an argument that exists in your head, because the OP is proving free will exists in man. Nothing else.
Since you do not have anything against this information,

The Bible says, at Hosea 14:4, in part...
I will freely love them / I will love them freely
The Hebrew expression nedabah (נְדָבָה) is rendered freewill offering, freely, plentiful, voluntary, offering, willingly, offering.
This Hebrew word comes from the Hebrew word nadab, of which Topical Lexicon says...
The verb נָדַב consistently underlines a movement of the heart that is neither coerced nor merely dutiful. It describes people stirred from within to give, serve, or step forward because they have first been moved by God. Throughout Scripture this spirit of readiness is linked to worship, stewardship, civic responsibility, and warfare, revealing a multifaceted biblical theology of voluntary devotion.

At 1 Corinthians 9:16-18, verse 17 says,
For if I do this willingly, I have a reward; but if unwillingly, I am entrusted with a stewardship.
Paul uses the Greek word hekón: Willing, Voluntary. Which means of one's own free will.
According to Thayer's Greek Lexicon...
STRONGS NT 1635: ἑκών
ἑκών, ἑκοῦσα, ἑκον, unforced, voluntary, willing, of one's own will, of one's own accord: Romans 8:20; 1 Corinthians 9:17. (From Homer down.)

At Philemon 1:14, Paul says...
But I did not want to do anything without your consent, so that your goodness will not be out of compulsion, but by your own free will (Berean Standard Bible; NASB; Amplified Bible; Christian Standard Bible; Holman Christian Standard Bible; American Standard Version; English Revised Version; New Heart English Bible; Majority Standard Bible; World English Bible; Smith's Literal Translation; Anderson New Testament; Godbey New Testament) / according to willingness / willingly / voluntary / not something forced.
The Greek word hekousios - meaning free will, is the neuter of a derivative from hekon; voluntariness -- willingly, which is (an adjective, a primitive term) – properly, willing; "unforced, of one's own will, voluntary" (J. Thayer), i.e. acting on one's own accord. The root (hek-) emphasizes intentional, deliberate action (choice), i.e. "of free-will" (J. Thayer).
voluntary
adjective​
Done or undertaken of one's own free will.​
a voluntary decision to leave the job.​
Acting or done willingly and without constraint or expectation of reward.​
a voluntary hostage; voluntary community work.​
Normally controlled by or subject to individual volition.​
The act of willing or choosing; the act of forming a purpose; the exercise of the will.​
The result of an act or exercise of choosing or willing; a state of choice.​
The power of willing or determining; will.​

As well as this information
Adjective

Voluntarily imposed upon oneself
voluntary

freewill

uncoerced

unforced

willing

willful

intended

deliberate

conscious

ungrudging

willingly given

intentional

free-willed

Then we have nothing else to talk about.
Freewill; Free will; Free-willed decisions are indeed a reality.
That is my point.
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The Electrical Nature of the Universe

The term AS moves such scriptural statements OFF literal understanding and INTO spiritual insights
Rubbish.
Maybe you could tell us what "spiritual insights' you get from Isaiah 30:26a?

The sun can make very bright flashes, one happened yesterday:
At 0249 UTC, a previously overlooked sunspot exploded. The X1.9 category flash is shown here in an extreme ultraviolet image from NASA's Solar Dynamics Observatory: Quote from spaceweather.com 12/1/2025

What will happen will not be 'doom and gloom' for the Lords faithful peoples, as verse 26b says.
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Trump pardons Giuliani, Sidney Powell, John Eastman, Mark Meadows, all fake electors for their attempt to overturn 2020 election, pardon official says

I wholeheartedly disagree. It is an excuse, because you're not looking at the actions of Donald Trump on their own merits, and not holding him accountable. Instead you point at the other side and say "they do it too"... which I would argue is not only an excuse, but a false equivalency.
Too much “What about” while disowning own faults.
So I'm guessing what is being implied here is that the Democrats "cheated" in the 2020 election? If that is what you are saying, I will pose this question: If the democrats / "deep state" have such control over elections - then how did Trump win in 2024? If these unnamed powers were able to cheat in 2020 and make Joe Biden win, then how did Trump win in 2024 if there is such an underhanded conspiracy against him?
That is easy: he won in spite of the powers against him because he is so well liked. We could make up any answer because facts do not matter. All that matters is what Trump says. How did we ever get this far down onto untruth?
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Relative of Trump Press Secretary taken by ICE

The four years of fraud, the election interference including collusion between the executive branch and social media to defeat Trump, as well as collusion by the courts, the flooding of our nation with 10 to 20 million immigrants who were largely unvetted, the defund the police movement, and the woke policies caused the people to vote for a widely disliked and abrasive presidential candidate. Human trafficking reached a level in our country not seen since the Civil War. The Democratic Party is deeply fractured, with radical leaders in charge but a part of the base that does not believe in the promulgated policies. I am convinced that locating the hundreds of thousands of missing children, jailing criminals and deporting violent illegal criminals, stopping the crazy pork filled spending bills of Democrats, letting the parents decide about transitioning and what their children are taught in school rather than the state, stopping government sponsored drag queen shows for our children, curbing the runaway inflation, and supporting our law enforcement officers and military, that is, keeping the promises made, are essential to our future. Giving in to the authoritarians who will decide what kind of oven you use and what car you drive and what your child will be taught in school and what pronouns you must use and putting men in girls locker rooms will be the end of our nation.

Do you believe that none of these events will occur the next time Democrats win an election?
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The Fall of the West (It's Happening Now)

The Islamic Caliphate of Britainistan (formerly known as the United Kingdom) is a cautionary tale for all of us.

I figure I have about fifteen, maybe twenty years left before I kick the bucket, so hopefully, I will be dead and gone before America falls.....and if anybody's been keeping up with the attitudes, beliefs, agendas, and voting patters of the under-30 population in this country, fall it will.


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ENGLAND FELL WITHOUT A SHOT.
AMERICA’S TROJAN HORSE IS ALREADY INSIDE.

You’re looking at a country that doesn’t exist anymore.
This is the postcard in your head.

England didn’t fall with tanks and smoke.
It fell with silence.

You probably still think the England in your head is real.
The postcards in your mind? They’re gone.
The photos in your camera roll are out of date.

Let me show you what changed… and why every American should be paying attention in 2025.
Look at the little horse in the reflection on that London street.
That isn’t an editing trick.
That’s the Trojan Horse every American is pretending not to see.

I want to take you somewhere gentle first —
somewhere millions of Americans have walked or always dreamed of walking.

England.

Not the England of today’s headlines.
The England you remember.
The England in movies.
The England you imagined as a kid.

I lived there during the fall of my senior year of college.
And I can still feel it.

The smell of rain soaking into old stone.
Black cabs sliding over wet cobblestones.
The ding of a double-decker bus pulling to a stop.
Real accents — Cockney, Midlands, Yorkshire — drifting through the air like a soundtrack.

If you’ve ever wandered London, even once, you know exactly what I mean.

Big Ben rising over the Thames like a cathedral tower.
The Changing of the Guard — boots hitting pavement in perfect time.
Red phone booths so iconic they looked painted onto the street.
Fish and chips wrapped in paper, vinegar sharp in the air.

That was England.
Calm. Ordered. Civil.
A place where history wasn’t something you read —
it was something you walked on.

I studied Shakespeare in Stratford-upon-Avon.
I’d sit by the River Avon watching swans glide under willow trees older than our country.
I’d grab a ploughman’s lunch — thick bread, sharp cheddar, Branston pickle — the taste of the countryside in one bite.

Everywhere you went, the country knew who it was.
Quietly. Proudly. Confidently.

The problem was simple:
England had too many manners and not enough nerve.
It was so careful not to offend that it forgot how to defend.

That was the England I lived in.
That was the England millions of Americans believed still existed.

But the country you loved has been quietly swapped out while you were busy being told not to notice.

Here’s the truth — simple, final, unavoidable:

That England is gone.
Gone forever.
And it’s not coming back.

If you still believe that kind of loss can’t happen where you live, you’re already behind.
If you have kids or grandkids, their America will not look like yours unless you learn from what England did to itself.

America in 2025 isn’t the America of the 1950s.
Cities grow. Cultures mix. Generations shift.
But what happened in England wasn’t drift —
it was direction.

A direction written in government numbers before anyone dared say it out loud.

According to the UK’s Office for National Statistics, the early 2000s showed two trends colliding:
declining birthrates among longtime British families…
and sharply higher birthrates in newer communities.

At the same time, official data recorded net migration at levels never seen in modern British history —
year after year, stack after stack.

This wasn’t rumor.
This wasn’t theory.
It was their own math, in their own reports.

Math doesn’t care about politics.
Birthrates don’t care about feelings.
Demographics don’t ask permission.

Then came another shift.

In 2016, a government-commissioned investigation — the Casey Review — confirmed that Sharia councils were operating in parts of England, handling civil and family matters outside British courts.
Not a headline.
Not an opinion.
A government finding.

Police officers admitted — quietly — that they changed tactics in certain neighborhoods.
Not official “no-go zones.”
Just unofficial hesitation.
A sign the old authority no longer moved with confidence.

Call it “respect.”
Call it “sensitivity.”
On the ground, it felt like one group playing by different rules while everyone else was told to keep clapping.

England didn’t collapse in a single moment.
It faded in a million tiny silences —
every time someone noticed a change, felt uneasy, and told themselves not to say anything.

And one morning, without a single shot fired, the truth was unavoidable:

The England that stood for centuries had disappeared —
not conquered, not invaded…
but surrendered by silence.

A country that wouldn’t stop apologizing eventually forgot who it was and what it was apologizing for.
And when people finally asked, “When did this change?” the answer was simple:

While you were busy calling each other names online.

That’s how nations fall now.
Not with tanks.
Not with fighter jets.
But with Trojan Horses rolled through the gates while everyone whispers that nothing is happening.

And here’s why this matters to every American reading this:

If you want to see England’s future in miniature, you don’t need a passport.
You only need to drive to Dearborn, Michigan.

Recent census data show Arab Americans are now the majority in Dearborn, making it the first Arab-majority city in the United States.

America isn’t approaching England’s doorway.
We’re standing in it.
And the Trojan Horse isn’t approaching —
it’s already in the living room.

If you’ve watched your own town change like this — in your schools, your hospital, your streets — drop your city in the comments. America needs to see the map.

Part One is the memory.
Part Two is the blueprint — the laws, the votes, the policies that flipped England from postcard to warning label.
Part Three is Dearborn — the test case every honest American should study.

Nations aren’t losing wars on battlefields anymore.
They’re losing them in comment sections and quiet living rooms.

If someone you love still says,
“It can’t happen here,”
hit share and put this in their feed before Part Two drops.

Because it can…. And it's already started.





I live in England and it’s fine.
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UnitedHealthcare CEO fatally shot in midtown Manhattan, law enforcement official says

Criminals have become emboldened and even seem to have an entitlement mentality, thanks to soft on crime policies, particularly in blue states.
When have blue states been soft on the murderers of rich white people?
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The Mamdani Model: More Socialist Mayors to ComeBeware! The DSA will attempt to repeat Mamdani’s success in other Democrat strongholds.

No one. It evolves naturally.

The US absolutely was not. I can't say about the other nations, and frankly I don't care.

Simple reality is beyond your comprehension? Perhaps you should stick to Aussie politics. Your understanding of US politics and history is extremely poor.

The US government does not regulate belief and nothing in that paragraph even argues counter to that. To use your example of abortion, changing the legal status one direction or the other does not change the *beliefs* people have about it. There were major changes a couple years ago and my belief didn't change.

No wonder you think it is a strange mix, you are mixing things up in your head.

It is still back and forth between some stream or strength of left and of right.

The Christian Right declared war on American culture a few decades ago.

I'm not interested in your persecution complex projection. This is pathetic Steve, you are projecting your self into persecution in a country where you don't live and there is no such persecution. Here in the US we have entered a month-long season dominated by a Christian religious claim. That isn't anti-Christian persecution. Not in the slightest.

Too bad.
Dude stop being so condescending. It is 100% unearned.
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MJ Only Can I convert to Messianic Judaism?

Of course! I did! We are grafted into God's tree are we not? (Romans 11:17-19) And what did God tell the Israelite's when it came to foreigners when he gave them the law? To treat them as if they were Israel born.

Leviticus 19:34 (NIV):

"The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the Lord your God."

Numbers 15:15-16 (NIV)

"The community is to have the same rules for you and for the foreigner residing among you, a lasting ordinance for the generations to come. You and the foreigner shall be the same before the Lord: The same law and the same regulations will apply both to you and to the foreigner residing among you.”

The root of Christianity is Judaism. God's feasts, his laws and his ordinances. So technically, anyone following Christ is already a Messianic Jew as we are supposed to be following what God wants us to. Do you have to take part in their traditions like the prayers, kippah, tallit or anything that was added? Well, that's entirely between you and God to decide but on the foundation level, we should all still be honoring God's appointed times and rules. So if you want to convert, that is up to you. As someone who grew up with baptist family and have gone to baptist churches, I understand how different it is, so I would say just walk with God and let him guide you.

Edit: I understand you have family lineage, but I wanted to address specifically the religion aspect since you come from baptist.
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The ANE perspective on creation & am I fence sitting?

Context is not given to the original authors. Context is something that the authors write scripture in light of. Just as Moses wrote in Hebrew while Paul wrote in Greek. God did not invent these languages and instruct the authors to write in them. It is not as though Paul was a native Arabic speaker and chose to write in Greek because God gave it to him. Rather Greek is part of his cultural context, and so that's what Paul writes in. It's the same for ancient cosmology. The revelation is shared through the cultural lense.
Language has nothing to do with it.

God providing a revelation to someone, by definition would be in conflict with what they already know and think.
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4 killed, several wounded at family gathering in California

Four people, including three children, have been killed while several others were wounded by a shooter who entered a family gathering in California and opened fire.

San Joaquin County Sheriff’s Office posted an update on Sunday afternoon to its official X account, reporting a mass shooting in Stockton on Saturday in which 15 people were shot.

According to authorities, “a total of 15 individuals sustained gunshot wounds during the incident,” including four deaths. The ages of the deceased were 8, 9, 14, and 21.

The sheriff’s office described the incident as an “active and ongoing investigation,” with police believing it was “a targeted incident” rather than a random act of violence.

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Is Christian Zionism a heresy?

Yes, it is.
The apostle Paul, for example, wrote that “the gifts and calling of God are without repentance” (Romans 11:29). Paul was writing about Jews who had not accepted Jesus as messiah. He wrote that “as touching the election, they are beloved for the fathers’ sake” (Romans 11:28). In other words, they were still the Chosen People because of the promises He made to the patriarchs (Abraham, Isaac and Jacob).
That conclusion is fine, with the qualification that the "chosen people" who continue in their rejection of the Messiah have been cut off (Rom. 11:20). They are only grafted back in if they abandon their unbelief (Rom. 11:23). Verse 29 doesn't mean they still have a "land promise," it means that God is merciful in continuing to give unbelieving Jews the chance to repent and be grafted back in by following the example of the Gentiles (vv. 30-32).

What did Paul mean by “the gifts”?
Huh, if only there were another few verses after that one where he elaborated on what he meant.

As for the relationship between dispensationalism and Zionism, whether or not you can point to a couple of writers in the prior two centuries (still very late in Christian history), it's undeniable that the idea that God has simultaneous contradictory covenants (dispensationalism) and the idea that God's promise of land under the Old Covenant continues today (Zionism) go hand in hand, and they both really entered mainstream evangelical thought at the same time and through the same influences.
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Trump’s Domestic Use of Military Set to Get Worse, Leaked DHS/DoD Memo Shows: LA "hasn't been perfect" but indicates what's coming "for years to come"

A Border Patrol-led immigration crackdown is coming to southeast Louisiana.

NEW ORLEANS (AP) — Around 250 federal border agents are expected to launch a monthslong immigration crackdown on Monday in southeast Louisiana and into Mississippi dubbed “Swamp Sweep.”

Noted perjurer Greg Bovino is likely to be in charge.
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Two National Guardsmen Shot and Killed in DC

Suspect in National Guard attack struggled with ‘dark isolation’ as community raised concerns about mental health

Sometimes, he spent weeks in his “darkened room, not speaking to anyone, not even his wife or older kids.” [The family sent messages in by way of his toddler children, to whom he would still respond.]
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Rebel nuns win reprieve to stay in convent, refuse to sign church demands they get off social media

Three elderly nuns who broke into their former convent after fleeing a Catholic Church-run care home may remain there, but only if they give up social media, cease contact with the press and dismiss their lawyers. Church authorities have laid out the conditions in a written proposal.

Sister Bernadette, 88, Sister Regina, 86, and Sister Rita, 82, have refused to sign the agreement, Agence France-Pressereports. On Friday, Church officials said the nuns would be allowed to remain in the convent "until further notice," provided they accept a list of conditions set by their superior, Provost Markus Grasl.

The proposal reportedly requires the nuns to immediately cease all social media and media contact, terminate any legal representation, and limit access to the convent's enclosed areas to members of their order.

The sisters returned to the Kloster Goldenstein convent in Elsbethen, near Salzburg, in September, with the help of supporters and a locksmith, months after denominational authorities relocated them to a Catholic care facility, citing concerns about their health. The nuns said they had been taken there against their will and felt isolated and unhappy.

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Croatian Catholic nun stabbed by migrant who shouted ‘Allahu akbar’: report

A Catholic nun was stabbed with a sharp object in Croatia’s capital by a man who allegedly shouted “Allahu akbar” during the attack. She survived and is receiving treatment at a Zagreb hospital.

The victim, identified as 34-year-old Sister Marija Tatjana Zrno, was attacked in the Malešnica neighborhood on Friday afternoon and later transported to the Sisters of Charity University Hospital, Narod.hr reported.

She was admitted with injuries to the abdominal area. While some Facebook posts claimed she had died, hospital staff told local media she was not in a life-threatening condition.

Police confirmed the hospital notified them that a woman had been brought in with injuries consistent with a sharp object wound, and they have opened a criminal investigation to determine the circumstances of the attack.

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