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Trump live updates: President expands ‘narco’ boat strikes to Pacific Ocean as 8th boat is struck

"Fishermen" working working out of hi-speed cigarette boats? Smells fishy to me.

The claims of relatives and residents of the innocence of those killed running drugs seems a bit illogical to me.
In dozens of interviews in villages on Venezuela's breathtaking northeastern coast, from which some of the boats departed, residents and relatives said the dead men had indeed been running drugs but were not narco-terrorists or leaders of a cartel or gang.
If the boats somehow made It the umpteen miles to the US mainland, is it still ok to blow them up? If they landed and were shipping them by truck to somewhere, is it still ok?

I don't get what the difference would be.
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Prince Andrew gives up royal titles after string of scandals

Sarah Ferguson’s new children’s book ‘pulped’ after scrutiny over Jeffrey Epstein links

Copies of Flora and Fern: Kindness Along the Way, which was set to be published in October, have been sent for recycling

“It’s not been delayed, it’s being pulped,” one publishing insider told the Daily Mail. “It’s an acknowledgment of the inevitable. No one is going to want to buy it.”

The news follows a period of scandal for Ferguson, 66, who earlier this month lost the title Sarah, Duchess of York after King Charles stripped Andrew Mountbatten-Windsor of his remaining titles. She is also expected to lose her long-term home at Royal Lodge in Windsor, where she has lived for decades with her former husband, despite their separation.

In September, the Mail on Sunday published emails from 2011, in which Ferguson privately described Epstein as her “supreme friend” and apologised for “letting him down”, despite having publicly called her association with him “a gigantic error of judgment”. The messages were sent less than two months after she had insisted she would “never have anything to do with [Epstein] again”, amid pressure over the ties she and Andrew Mountbatten-Windsor had maintained with him – including a £15,000 payment Epstein made to help settle her debts.
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Israel-Hamas Thread II

IDF soldiers reveal that the IDF uses Palestinians as human shields and kills indiscrimantety:

Israeli soliders admit killing civilians and using human shields in Gaza
Israeli Defence Forces (IDF) soldiers have lifted the lid on the army’s disregard for laws and norms during the genocide in Gaza in a new documentary called Breaking Ranks: Inside Israel’s War, due to be broadcast by ITV on Monday night.

Daniel, the commander of an IDF tank unit is quoted in the show as saying that if soldiers “want to shoot without restraint, you can”, according to The Guardian.
All told how rules on targeting civilians were flouted and the soldiers revealed how the Israeli military used human shields and opened fire without provocation on people trying to access food at aid distribution points.
He told of one incident where a senior officer ordered a building to be demolished in an area which had been designated as safe for civilians. “A man was standing on the roof, hanging laundry, and the officer decided that he was a spotter. He’s not a spotter. He’s hanging his laundry. You can see that he’s hanging laundry,” Eli said.

“Now, it’s not as if this man had binoculars or weapons. The closest military force was 600-700 metres away. So unless he had eagle eyes, how could he possibly be a spotter? And the tank fired a shell. The building half collapsed. And the result was many dead and wounded.”
Not a good idea to be seen hanging out the washing by the IDF!

The makers of Breaking Ranks spoke to a contractor identified only as Sam who worked at food distribution sites run by the US-backed Gaza Humanitarian Foundation, who says he witnessed the IDF killing unarmed civilians.

He describes an incident at one distribution site where two young men were running to get aid.

“You could just see two soldiers run after them,” said Sam.

“They drop onto their knees and they just take two shots, and you could just see […] two heads snap backwards and just drop.” He recalled another incident in which an IDF tank near one of the distribution sites destroyed “a normal car … just four normal people sat inside it”.
Nor a good idea to be seen sitting in a car.

These are war crimes but the IDF soldiers who committed these crimes know they will not be held accountable.
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The Schumer Shutdown

The number is very big. But that doesn’t mean it’s a bad thing, that money is paying for actual health care services for millions of Americans (seniors, low-income, disabled).

And if people have a better plan (universal healthcare), I'd be happy to vote for it.
The ACA is about as close to universal healthcare as you can get. That's why it cost so much. If we had actual universal healthcare as some other countries do, it would cost even more, and the quality of healthcare would plummet. You can ask residents of those other countries who come to the USA for healthcare all about it. The long wait times are enough to cause them to come here where it's not universal, but higher quality.
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Why Christianity

I believe in God.. but I don't know God. I don't know if God corresponds to any particular scriptures.
I really, really appreciate your honesty. That is rare these days.

How does one begin to sift through the different ideas to come to the truth.. what is the best way to approach the search?
I have just started a thread on this subject, because many, many, many people identifying as Christian, have made it seem one need not sift through the multiplicity of different ideas to come to the truth, but can simply hold on to any idea that they prefer, because according to them, one idea is no better than the other, as any one could be right.

This, is a gross misrepresentation of truth, and really discredits the God of truth, because it says God is not concerned with if we know the truth, so long as we all believe in Jesus Christ, and that he died for our sins.
In other words, we can all be God's children, even if what we believe is not at all true.

This is a Satanic lie, because Satan wants us to believe the lie, and think that we can still have life, and so he contaminates the waters, so to speak, and tell us that drinking it is healthy, and will not harm us.
God however says contrary. Revelation 22:17

Isaiah 55:1-3 is a beautiful text that reads...
1 “Come, all you who are thirsty, come to the waters; and you without money, come, buy, and eat! Come, buy wine and milk without money and without cost! 2 Why spend money on that which is not bread, and your labor on that which does not satisfy? Listen carefully to Me, and eat what is good, and your soul will delight in the richest of foods. 3 Incline your ear and come to Me; listen, so that your soul may live.

God wants us to get living water that leads to life, by listening... inclining our ear to him. How do we do that?
Jesus, said, “If anyone is thirsty, let him come to Me and drink. The one believing in Me, as the Scripture has said: 'Out of his belly will flow rivers of living water.'" John 7:37, 38

We know Jesus is not referring to physical water. A lady once misunderstood Jesus' words in this regard.
Notice what Jesus said to her.
John 4:13, 14
13 Jesus answered and said to her, "Everyone drinking of this water [the one from the well] will thirst again; 14 But whoever drinks the water I give him will never thirst. Indeed, the water I give him will become in him a fount of water springing up to eternal life.”

That Jesus was referring to the truth, is borne out in several scriptures. Proverbs 23:23; Isaiah 65:13; Amos 8:11, 12...
I will show you from God's word the Bible - the scriptures, what is, not just the best way, but the right way to approach a search for the truth.

  • Step 1. Talk with God
    Pray to God specifically for help to find the right way, or the true way of worship - the correct knowledge of truth, since it is God's will for all to find that. 1 Timothy 2:3, 4 You may ask him to help you find him... to know what is truth out of all the confusing ideas in the world's religions. Pray regularly about this. Acts 10:1-4

  • Step 2. Incline your ear to listen to God
    Make a sincere effort to listen to God, who communicates to us through his word. Proverbs 28:9; 2 Timothy 3:16, 17; 1 Thessalonians 2:13; John17:17; Hebrews 4:12

    [*]Taking these steps will lead to God answering your prayer, and responding to your sincere plea for help, and he will send you the help you need - his messengers..​
    Acts 10:4; Acts 8:26-40; Acts 16:9, 10; Daniel 9:20-23​
    Don't look for an angel to appear to you. :)

  • Step 3. Act in harmony with your prayers
    When God sends you the help, respond to it by, listening to and receiving the message, and studying the Bible to be sure of the things you are hearing. Acts 17:11

    [*]Take your time, for there is no need to rush into anything, but keep examining the scriptures daily, with prayer, and meditation. You will know the ring of truth though, once you hear it.​
Then, it's up to you.

If you are asking why Christianity rather than Islam, Buddhism... please clarify.
Thank you... and thanks for your questions.
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James Comey case: Ex-special counsel John Durham undercut case against James Comey in interview with prosecutors: Sources

Judge grills government over apparent lapses in Comey indictment

The case's prosecutor said the full grand jury didn't see the final indictment.

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Halligan said the full grand jury saw the original indictment that was presented, but that the charges against Comey that are currently on the court docket were not reviewed by the full grand jury.

A Justice Department attorney also refused to answer whether a memo prepared by career prosecutors in the U.S. attorney's office prior to Halligan's appointment recommended against bringing charges against Comey.

Lemons finally told the court that he did seek to find out if a declination memo existed, but said he was under instruction from Deputy Attorney General Todd Blanche's office not to disclose the answer.
Rut-rho!
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Obama care collapsing.....

you keep repeating it - like suddenly it will make a difference from the facts.
How does a fact make a difference from the facts?
Yes, the line has been repeated - and yet -
Repeated because it's pertinent and true.
not one Republican endorsed it or voted for it.
Nor has one Republican come up with a better replacement - fifteen years!
The ones who wrote the final plan - endorsed it and voted it in right down party lines - are the ones who own it.
Republicans helped write the final plan. Republican voted in amendment after amendment that were their own proposals even though they were evidently not in good faith as they did ultimately vote against it. But they did help write it!
Here is a hint - if it had been a Republican majority congress - the plan would have never made it to the floor. If it was working well - the folks on the left would never mention anyone but themselves.
Yeah, if things were different, things would be different!

Where are the concepts of a plan?
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Rare Earth minerals deposit could end Chinese dominance

So what are the new areas where America and its allies are blind to global trends but the Communists are already preparing. Do we have a plan or are we just going to let Wall Street bungle this one also as they did with Rare Earths?
DING! Solar energy and other renewables.

The more solar it creates the less dependency on other things.
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Trump to use wartime Alien Enemies Act of 1798 to deport illegal migrants from ‘enemy nations’: sources

The Congress is failing in their duty by not yet impeaching Boasberg.
WAAAAHHHH!!! A judge isn't doing what he wants. He MUST be removed without any other evidence of wrong doing!

So is the chorus anytime anyone stands up to ....what's his name.
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Historic Premillennialism vs Amillennialism

There isn't a pre-tribulation "rapture" ... nor did I claim there is one .... there is the 1st resurrection and that happens when Jesus returns
The "first resurrection" in the prophetic (Rev 1:3) riddle (Nu 12:6-8) of Rev 20 is from eternal death into eternal life in the new birth.

In the apostolic teaching of Christ (Lk 10:16), there is only one resurrection of physical bodies, at the end of time, at the second coming, immediately before the rapture.

Jesus locates the resurrection in the last day (Jn 6:39),
Paul locates the resurrection with the rapture (1 Th 4:16),
Jesus locates the rapture with the second coming (Mt 24:39-41),
Jesus locates the second coming with the judgment of the sheep and goats at the end of time (Mt 25:31-33).

Paul locates the second coming, the resurrection and the catching up of the saints together at the end of time (1 Th 4:16-17).
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There’s a Giant Flaw in Human History

I never said there were any tests. I said the theorectic simulations were enough to warrant further testing and base new tech on. There were real science from the research that warrants further investigation and not dismissing.
Yes, you did I quoted you in the post that you quoted. Here it is again:
The hypothesis was that the pyramids structure and chambers can concentrate electromagnic energy. The test confirms this.

So why should I believe your opinion over the scientific write up lol. It seems all the so called "scientific write ups" are saying the same thing. Coming to the same conclusion as myself. The write up actually quotes the researchers.
Popular scientific write-up, there is no actual new test performed, you should read the article.
So how is this not advanced knowledge.
We have no reason to believe that any electromagnetic considerations was part of the egyptians purpose. It has not been experimentally verified to even be a real thing (how do you believe all the boundary layers between the blocks would affect the antenna performance?).
They are learning from the ancient Egyptian structures and methods to generate such waves and energy sources.
The simulation did not touch on generating any energy, the electric and magnetic field sources in the calculation was external to the pyramid.
Surely the structure, its location and the specifiuc way its build with certain stones was not just luck in producing such results.
What impact did the stones have then if you have read it (they assumed normal limestone)? If they had used other stones in Egypt how would that change the results? How did the location influence the simulation? Did they have any data on the permittivity of the substrate in their calculations?

It is a simulation study, they basically only tested the pyramidal shape.
Ah peer review, peer review. Everything has to be peer reviewed. At least its a scientific paper.
No, peer-review is part of the modern scientific process.
You are dismissing it without any peer review or even any scientific published article. Your doing exactly what I was pointing out was double standard.
I'm not dismissing anything, but your supposed peer-reviewed papers (which no longer are peer-reviewed) don't support your claims.
Here I am linking peer review and at least scientifice papers and reports laying out the process and anaysis. All I am getting from skeptics is single sentence objections with absolutely no support.
No, peer-review is part of the modern scientific process.
Is not the Piezoelectric Phenomena in the King's Chamber the same effect that the other papers which included peer review were talking about.
Does it even exist? Who has measured it?
So we have a number of papers all supporting a similar effect. I would rather side with at least scientific papers then someones personal opinion on a social media platform.
Piezoelectrics are well-known, what do they have to do with the pyramids in Giza that is the question.
I think I may have linked this to show that the tech is possible. That research has shown that granite can be weakened by Piezoelectric Excitation. Along similar lines to the other research and tests showing Piezoelectric Phenomena and effects.
Piezoelectrics are well-known, what do they have to do with the pyramids in Giza that is the question.
They are all looking at the use of the natural materials involved and how they interact with each other. How specific combinations or architecture enhances natural phenomena that can ebe harnessed.
So link that peer-reviewed article then? What natural phenomena are we talking about here, what do you believe was the source of the radio waves? Or vibrations for piezoelectric power generation?
As mentioned I don't think for example the location of the pyramid on a high electromagnetic location, over a mineral rich subterrainian water network.
So link that peer-reviewed article then?
Show me the peer review that states there is no connection.
Normally, if you claim it you show it. I'm ok with uncertainties regarding the pyramids.
According to the findings they clearly state that there was human intervention.

The NMR results suggest that the casing stones consist of limestone grains from the Tura quarry, cemented with an amorphous calcium-silicate gel formed by human intervention, by the addition of extra silica, possibly diatomaceous earth, from the Fayium area.
"The NMR results suggest..." What does suggest mean?
Yes there was. The hypothesis was.
1) If the blocks are artificial, their magnetic moments are parallel, oriented approximately in the north-south direction
2) If the blocks are natural, then the directions of their magnetic moments are oriented randomly.

Magnetic analyses suggest the possibility that the pyramids may contain both natural and man-made blocks.


As far as I understand that the blocks that are orientated paralell north to south have a magnetic moments that corresponds to them being artificial. Being reconstituted in situ and never changing orientation. Whereas the natural stones have random magnetic moments as they are changing orientation over time. It is impossible for a natural stone to have a N to S magnetic moment.
The magnetic moments are not perfect north-south, actually from the pictures they have enough east-west spread so some kind of statistical test would be appropriate to determine if they are semi-aligned by chance alone.
Near impossible.
So what was the p-value then?
The magnetic moments happen as the stones are orientated. So natural stones from quarry to placement will undergo random orientations. Whereas the cast blocks being cast in situ will only have paralell orientation N to S as they have only been orientation in one position.

Thats 7 out of 7 which makes the odds atronomically high that all these blocks just happen to remain paralelle throughout the entire process from quarry to positioning. If they were chiselled and cut and hauled up the pyramid they are going to have random magnetic moments.
See above. Read it there was not 7 blocks that showed that pattern.
But when you add the other tests that show the makeup of the stones are manmade and contain artificial minerals and chemistry in them it makes a strong case.

The Surprising Truth Behind the Construction of the Great Pyramids
The tiniest structures within the inner and outer casing stones were indeed consistent with a reconstituted limestone.
The cement binding the limestone aggregate was either silicon dioxide (the building block of quartz) or a calcium and magnesium-rich silicate mineral.

The sample chemistries the researchers found do not exist anywhere in nature. "Therefore," says Barsoum, "it's very improbable that the outer and inner casing stones that we examined were chiseled from a natural limestone block."

The presence of silicon dioxide nanoscale spheres (with diameters only billionths of a meter across) in one of the samples. This discovery further confirms that these blocks are not natural limestone.

Ancient Egyptians were the original--albeit unknowing--nanotechnologists." "Ironically," says Barsoum, "this study of 4,500 year old rocks is not about the past, but about the future."
The Surprising Truth Behind the Construction of the Great Pyramids

In other words just like we are learning from the Piezoelectric effects of the pyramids and applying this to new tech. The same with the geopolymer cement the early Egyptians created which is natural and environmental. They are teaching us how to manipulate nature from 4,500 years ago or longer.

Gathering 'concrete' evidence
The binder, known as a geopolymer, could have been made from lime, kaolinite (a kind of clay), a fine silica (such as diatomaceous earth) and natron (sodium carbonate). The same ingredients were used by the Egyptians to make self-glazing pottery ornaments, a material called Egyptian faience, and well known to archeologists.

To apply the same standard you apply to me. The skeptics demans peer review and still reject it. They demand scientific evidence from formal sources with credible scientists.

Just saying you disagree meets none of those standards that have been demanded of me. I have several independent sources from either peer review or scientific sources with published papers, reposts and commentary on those papers and reports. You have a personal opinion on a social media site.

Yes just like the idea of giant ramps and wooden sleds or cutting millions of blocks with chisels and copper saws. Why is it that the orthodoxy is accepted out of hand when its also spectulation. At least the idea of hydro lifting is more aligned to a realistic explanation and that the Egyptians were smarter than just using sheer human power.

Theres enough evidence to say it was likely. Thats why I always go back to the images. I have shown you observation evidence of softened stone already and its been dismissed. This image is one of the actual blocks on the casing and you can see how it was soft.

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How much more evidence do you want.
How is this picture evidence that it was soft?
Well the Romans were attributed with create cement.
Lime based cement yes, but there was other plasters around.
So this like other discoveries pushes back the timeline. But the research results seem to say that this was not just any old cement but one thats eco friendly and lasts longer than any other cement.
Fine, but @sjastro have a competing hypothesis, so I'll let the archaeologist and the geophysicists work this on out before I'll draw any firm conclusions.
Enough to want to reverse engineer it to use as a building product for the future. In other words 4,500 year old knowledge is showing us how ho make cement today.

But also that it explains how the outer casing stones are so tight where you can't even get a human hair between them. This makes sense that they were cast and sank into each other as they dried. The material did not shrink and looked and lasted like real stone. Even to foolw Egyptologists for decades . Claiming they spent years chiseling surfaces to hair tight perfection.

Yes so I am saying that there was much more of a purpose for what they built than given credit for. The same principle but just more of it and more advanced than thought.
Why would we think that?
I mean the pyramids are a feat in themselves. But the orthodoxy that they were just big tombs and like Sneferu needed three is becoming unreal. There is a lot more going on and thanks to modern tech its only in recent decade that we are finding out.

Lol its like they never resisted the idea and when it shows their orthodoxy wrong they pretend thats how science works. As though science never has a paradigm change. I think like all sciences this is exactly what is happening.
So how many refused articles have the proponents sent to the journals? Any? Are their refusal rate higher than others? Otherwise it is just them complaining.
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Release from Epstein files

No he didn't. That was not part of his platform. We had a reporter who asked him if he would release the files. He said he would have no problem with it. The truth is he also had concerns about it and expressed those concerns as well
Trump, Vance, then and now VP, Kash Patel, Dan Bongino, Musk, all advocated releasing any files post presidency. All maintained they would be released once in office. Then they changed their minds after Bondi realized how prevalent Trump's name was mentioned.
Because other people were involved beside Epstein? Are you telling me they had no interest in pursuing pedophiles? They went after Trump for everything else, why not the one thing that most likely would have prevented him from being reelected? It makes no sense and you know it.
The case was closed. One more time. You have to have good reason as why to reopen and closed investigation. What other pedophiles are there evidenced enough to warrant a reopen? Epstein is dead and Ghisaline Maxwell is now receiving favorable treatment by the Trump admin. A Trump pardon is next. I'm sure you will be asking this question here when that happens "Are you telling me they had no interest in pursuing pedophiles?"
Lol! So Biden wasn't interested in going after pedophiles they had information on in rhe Epstien files? Are you know admitting they are totally incompetent? Give me a food reason if Trump was involved in pedophilia why Biden wouldn't go after him for it? Not a big enough deal?
What other pedophiles? Victims were interviewed and testified in NY. You need to understand how justice works. If you're concern is those who were or weren't interested in putting pedophiles in jail, your angst should be leveled at current AG Pam Bondi. Because after Epstein got his sweetheart deal by future Trump admin Alex Acosta, then current Florida State AG Pam Bondi who could have gone after Epstein being so concerned about pedophilia in her state, chose to do nothing. It was New York who took that up and jailed Epstein. That guy got fired by Trump.
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The Saving results of the Death of Christ !

I don't know how to be any clearer with you. You still continue to conflate a very clear distinction I have repeatedly been making since the very start of our conversation: ἑλκύω does not concern the question of irresistible grace. The semantics of that term is NOT what the Calvinist argument is based on.

What do you not understand about this?

The point is that if you define ἑλκύω in a way the implicitly includes the idea of fallibility, then the Father's act of enabling a person to come to Christ can fail, because ἑλκύω IS that act of enablement.
Ok, so bear with me on this if you will. We agree that ἑλκύω, itself, allows for resistance: a person can resist and thwart the enablement, can refuse to act on it themselves. The word does not imply an act that cannot be resisited, an act that must be completed. That implication comes from the fact that God raises those who've come. Is that correct?
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Christian group sues Canadian city for 'irrational' cancellation of Sean Feucht event

A Christian worship organization has filed a lawsuit against Quebec City, alleging that the Canadian municipality wrongfully canceled an event featuring American worship leader and activist Sean Feucht at the last minute last summer.

Burn 24/7 Canada Worship Ministries alleges in a suit filed Nov. 14 in Quebec Superior Court that Quebec City violated "constitutional and quasi-constitutional guarantees" by terminating their event featuring Feucht at ExpoCité, a city-owned venue, according to the CBC.

Quebec City, which was among eight Canadian cities that canceled stops along Feucht's "Revive in 25" tour, terminated the organization's ExpoCité contract on July 23, the day before Feucht was slated to perform, citing reputational concerns given his political opinions.

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Thousands attend Harvest Crusade at university where Charlie Kirk was killed

Nearly 8,000 people attended the Harvest Crusade event at the Utah university where conservative Christian activist Charlie Kirk was killed in September, with around 2,100 making professions of faith.

Pastor Greg Laurie headlined the Evangelical gathering at Utah Valley University on Sunday, known as "Hope for America." The event was held at the campus basketball arena and livestreamed at 67 participating churches.


In addition to Laurie sharing a Gospel message, the event also featured worship music by notable contemporary Christian musicians Phil Wickham and Chris Tomlin.

More than 7,800 people were in attendance at the arena, according to Harvest, and more than 210,000 watched on the livestream.

The event began with a video honoring Kirk, the 31-year-old Turning Point USA founder who was killed on Sept. 10. while speaking on campus.

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Treasury Sanctions Former Canadian Olympian and Notorious Narcotrafficker Ryan Wedding

Today, the U.S. Department of the Treasury’s Office of Foreign Assets Control (OFAC) sanctioned Ryan James Wedding (Wedding), alongside nine individuals and nine entities closely associated with him. Wedding, a former Olympic snowboarder for Team Canada, is one of the Federal Bureau of Investigation’s (FBI) Ten Most Wanted Fugitives. He is an extremely violent criminal believed to be responsible for the murder of numerous people abroad, including U.S. citizens. Wedding remains a fugitive from justice, currently hiding in Mexico, where he continues to direct drug trafficking, murder, and other serious criminal activities.

Anyone who interferes in U.S. government operations to apprehend them or their employees should be charged.

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