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trump administration mull ending Habeas Corpus.

They did rule against him on Abrego Garcia.

It is true that for the most part, the Supreme Court has been taking his side since his re-election. However, one should note that few (any?) of them are actual merits cases and are just injunctions. In a legal podcast I listen to (can't remember which one, but I'm almost certain it was either Advisory Opinions or Divided Argument), I remember it being noted that after Abrego Garcia, it seems Trump's Department of Justice has been more careful with its injunction appeals, pointing out as an example the actions against the law firms haven't had their injunctions appealed, probably because there's a higher likelihood of failure in those.

There are some actual merits cases coming up that involve Trump, so I suppose we can see in those. There's Learning Resources v. Trump (the Tariffs one) and Trump v. Slaughter (the Independent Agencies one). A case on birthright citizenship will probably get added sometime this term too.
Perhaps John Roberts is fine with being the last Chief Justice?
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Any Old School Holiness Pentecostals?

what is "holiness"?
In Scripture "holy" means set apart <by The Creator> from the world, from the flesh, from carnality?, set apart and always away from, not a part of , different from , the flesh and the worldly and the carnality of people/ society.
It is always an adjective, never a name nor a title in Scripture.
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Please explain CCC 536 regarding Jesus and the Spirit: 'possessed in fullness' yet 'comes to rest on him'.

I've yet to hear a good reason; let's hear it.

There’s too much criticism of Roman Catholics on this forum and I am not going to debate my Catholic friends on this issue, particularly since if I wanted to go to a Catholic liturgy without the filioque, most Byzantine Rite Catholics omit it (the RCC doesn’t use the filioque in Greek, which raises the possibility that indeed, as some have argued, the issue was one caused by the differences between the Greek and Latin language, and what troubled the mainly Greek speaking Orthodox under St. Photius would not have occurred to the Latin speaking Christians in Spain who added the Filioque while dealing with a major outbreak of Adoptionism).

Also its obviously the case that our Lord, God and Savior Jesus Christ sent God the Holy Spirit to be our comforter and Paraclete (of course, God the Holy Spirit sent God the Son and Word into the world by descending upon the Blessed Virgin Mary, causing her to conceive, and become the Theotokos, the immaculate* Mother of God, while remaining a virgin, a status she retains even now.

*Although in Orthodoxy our model of original sin, which also used to be favored in the West, based on the writings of St. John Cassian rather than those of St. Augustine, who we also venerate, does not cause a need for the doctrine of the Immaculate Conception, our hymns, which are of great antiquity, do frequently refer to the our most glorious lady Theotokos and ever-virgin Mary as Immaculate, for we believe she did not commit any sins in her life, and additionally the Dormition or Assumption was for us dogmatic at least 1500 years before being recognized as a dogma by Pope Pius XII.
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JPPT1974's Daily Devotions

How Daniel was such a very brave
Young man and that despite
Being thrown over in the
Lion's den when he was
Facing on such a very likely
Death but God's love and protection
Shielded him from that as he could had lost
His life and being forced to lose his faith in God
But he was steadfast in God's faith.
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Post-tribulation Rapture Believers Safe House

I wrote a fictional text that dispensationalism "needed" but does not have.

Just as you quoted me saying it -- "Before the tribulation He will send His angels to gather His elect from one end of the sky to the other" in all of scripture.

I also wrote 2 verses. Matt 24:29 and Matt 24:31 as they actually are

Matt 24:
29 “But immediately after the tribulation of those days ...31 And He will send forth His angels with a great trumpet and they will gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of the sky to the other.

which is incredibly problematic for dispensationalism

The full text still maintains the same sequence between vs 24 and vs 31. It is unchanged.
Let me prove to you that the Bible makes you SDA’s wrong. There is no way Matt 24:31 follows immediately after verse 29.

Matt 24:29-31 (ESV): 29 “Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light, and the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. 30 Then will appear in heaven the sign of the Son of Man, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 31 And he will send out his angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

Verse 29 occurs immediately after the Trib exhausts its 21 judgments of God’s wrath. It goes right into the specific phenomena associated with the ending of the Trib.

Verse 30 is about Heaven opening up for all to see Jesus Christ coming on the clouds of Heaven, to start the 2A (2nd Advent).

Verse 31 begins with “And he will … “

Here’s the proof you SDA’s are missing. Verse 29 makes no mention of Jesus. Notice the first words of verse 30: (“Then will appear in Heaven … “). Those are the first of anything about Jesus in these three verses. Verse 31 begins with, “And he will …”

Verse 29 does not mention Jesus at all. Verse 31 begins with, “And he will …”

How can Jesus continue in mention with, “And he will … “ immediately after verse 29 when Jesus is not mentioned at all in verse 29?

Verse 30 gets it right! It begins with, “Then will appear …”) which is clearly the first mention of Jesus in these three verses.

Do you get it? Verse 31’s secondary mentioning (“And he will”) can’t possibly immediately follow verse 29 that has no mention of Jesus. Verse 30 (“Then will appear …”) is the primary mention of Jesus.

It is therefore linguistically impossible for verse 31, a secondary mentioning (“And he will”) to immediately come after verse 29 (with no mentioning of Jesus).

The Bible thoroughly proves you SDA’s are completely wrong.
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The Schumer Shutdown

it is reversing legislation that passed both house and the President signed into law. They can’t get it done legislatively, so they are holding the country hostage trying to force their way.
That's odd. I thought they were using legislative procedure. Is voting against cloture not a valid Senate procedural position?
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I've been anointed by God to send the one True Word! I would love some feedback and discussion!

Gerorge, i believe your looking for God, so i hope you ponder on these things and think about it seriously. I believe I have experienced something similar to what your going through now.

1. Not all things that you hear come from God George.

2. Like everyone is saying the things your writing, some of it is true, but alot of it is off, we are to test things to see if what we hear and do is coming from God.

3. It sounds like to me, this anointment hasn't come from God, because the things you write are out of line, not just the profanity but the message as well.

4. If it's not coming from God, even if it's something we want, we need to let go of it, and start seeking him again, because we don't have the truth yet.

Don't be upset or discouraged, it's a tactic from the enemy. He is trying to make you believe you found the truth, to knock you off the path.

It happened to me, because I was gettibg so close to the truth, go back and keep seeking God, your nearly there.;)


I really don't pray much for others, but as brothers and sisters, who are to walk in love with eachother, I feel like we should be praying for other believers, so can everyone please pray for him, mainly for wisdom, and discernment.
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Complicated grief

I got a voicemail from my dad's barber today and the barber was wondering why he hadn't heard from my dad in awhile, so I called the barber shop. The barber wasn't there, but the person who picked up said that she would relay the message (that I gave her). I got a bit teary-eyed from having to tell the receptionist about my dad's passing, but this is complicated. I'm grieving over someone, who, if they were with me right now, would be "fighting" with me over the same things all the time (or maybe we would be "fighting" together). How is it that I can still be crying, or at least feel like crying?
It’s normal and understandable. And it doesn’t just totally go away after a few months either. I feel the loss of my parents many years later. It just happens. Not every day or week or even every month, but it still happens. It’s normal. Use it as an occasion for prayer.
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Trump is right to clamp down on Portland’s Jacobins

The incidents involving ICE are no comparison to what we witnessed a few years ago during the George Floyd protests. If you had a similar level of unrest in your area you’d be glued to the news and police scanner and wishing for the National Guard. We had 250k protestors at the No Kings march and over a million for Floyd which exacerbated the problem.

The city hasn’t enacted any of the measures we saw in that period. No curfew, or bridges raised, no barring of exits on the expressway for shopping districts, or suspension of buses and trains downtown. We haven‘t witnessed the violence, unrest or property damage we saw at that time.

~bella

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Limited vs unlimited atonement?

Actually, Jesus was speaking about the remnant of the Jews of that time (verse 45). They were ALL saved. Christ's statement may not be generalized or applied beyond that audience nor beyond that time. Under the new covenant the door of salvation is open to all. Stick with historical context.
Glad to know that all will be saved.
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