Cowboys vs. Lions.

Now the verdict - Not Guilty!

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Good points. 2 Thes 2 when it says temple of God does mean the physical temple which means it had to happen before 70 AD. Likely one of the zealots. The abomination of desolation had to happen before then as well whatever it was . These were not recorded by Josephus. Even if a physical temple was built the spirit of the God of Abraham would not be in it which means it is not possible to defile it. I made this post to show most stuff happened 70 AD Jude, and 1 Enoch but Rev 13-22 is future still.

Dave... said:

Yes, they always could.

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I see, no wonder you hold the doctrines that you do. Thanks for clarifying.

RocksInMyHead said:

I'd say the odds are pretty good that the Navy bought those "eggs" while Biden was still president, so yeah, definitely Biden's fault.

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That is only correct because Biden was president in 2017.

Jesus Christ is the Light of the World. He is all that is righteous, just, morally pure, upright, honest, faithful, and holy. And he is The Word of God, for he is God, the second person of our triune God – Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. And so the words he speaks are the words of God. And he is the one who brings to us the truth of the gospel of our salvation, first in the words that he spoke, and then in his death and resurrection, for our deliverance from sin. For he put our sins to death with him so we will die to sin and live for him.

But in his teachings he taught us that to come after him, we must deny self, take up our cross daily (die daily to sin and to self) and follow (obey) him. But if we decide to hold on to our old lives of living in sin and for self, we will lose them for eternity. But if for Jesus’ sake we die to sin and now walk in obedience to his commands, then we have eternal life in him. For those who are his true followers will not walk (in conduct) in darkness (sin), but will have the Light of life, i.e. salvation from sin and eternal life with God.

Now Jesus was speaking to his fellow Jews, but many (or most) of them were not in agreement with him and with his teachings. And some (or many) of them opposed Jesus and fought against him and his teachings. And so they would try to pick a fight with him, often accusing him falsely of what he did not do or say, for they were trying to find fault in him so they would have cause to accuse him of wrongdoing. And so they were all the time laying traps for him, hoping to catch him in a snare so they could “take him down.”

And we have many people today doing the same thing, disagreeing with Christ and his teachings, trying to find fault with what he said, and attacking his words and his messengers, too, who are bringing forth the truth of the gospel of our salvation. For many are those who profess faith in Jesus Christ, but who prefer a more diluted and altered “gospel” which pampers human flesh and which makes no requirements of the person of “faith” other than they just make a verbal confession of Christ as Lord and Savior of their lives.

And Jesus is saying to them, through his word, and through his messengers, that they don’t really know Jesus Christ or God the Father, for if they truly knew Jesus, they would know the Father also. And to know Jesus is to deny self, die daily to sin, and to follow him in surrender to his will in walks of obedience to his commands. Yet this does not make us perfect people, for we are still clay in the hands of the Potter (God) being made into the likeness of Christ, if indeed we are of genuine faith in him, by God’s grace.

But the point Jesus was making here, and that he is still making, is that if we claim to believe in him, then we must follow him, and to follow him is to obey him and his commandments (New Covenant). And it is to die with him to sin daily, in his power. And if we claim to know God, but while we reject Christ’s teachings, and the teachings of his New Testament apostles, and so we continue living in sin, and not in obedience to our Lord’s commands, then we do not know God the Father or his Son Jesus Christ, in truth.

So we need to take Jesus’ words to heart, for he means what he says: “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father who is in heaven will enter. Many will say to Me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name perform many miracles?’ And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness.’” (Matthew 7:21-23 NASB1995).

[Matthew 7:13-14,21-23; Luke 9:23-26; John 10:27-30; Acts 26:18; Romans 1:18-32; Romans 2:5-10; Romans 3:23; Romans 6:1-23; Romans 8:1-14; 1 Corinthians 10:1-22; Galatians 5:16-24; Ephesians 2:8-10; Ephesians 4:17-32; Ephesians 5:3-6; Titus 2:11-14; Hebrews 3:1-19; Hebrews 4:1-13; Hebrews 10:19-39; Hebrews 12:1-2; 1 Peter 2:24; 1 John 1:1-10; 1 John 2:3-6; 1 John 3:4-10; Revelation 2:1-29; Revelation 3:1-22]

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Based off Luke 9:22-25
An Original Work / February 21, 2013
Christ’s Free Servant, Sue J Love

Jesus, Son of God,
Died for us on a cross.

Anyone who would come to Him
Must deny himself and follow.
He must take up his cross daily;
Die to sin and self each day.

Father, God above,
Loved us so: gave His Son.

If you want to save your old life;
Keep on sinning, follow your ways,
You will lose your life forever;
Hope of heaven gone away.

Spirit of our God
Gives us life in God’s Son.

Nonetheless, if you die to self;
Forsake your sin; follow Jesus,
You will live with God in heaven,
And forever praise His name!

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If You Know Jesus
An Original Work / December 4, 2025
Christ’s Free Servant, Sue J Love

Nature is a cathedral

Jesus = The Sun = FIRE

Mary = The Moon = WATER

Fire is the element of Wrath.

Water is the element of Mercy.

There are

pastorwaris said:

Dear Brother, thank you for all three replies your effort, calculations, and desire for accuracy are genuinely appreciated.​

You clearly care deeply about chronology and the integrity of the text, and I respect that.
Let me address your points carefully and biblically.

1. About the 360-day year​

You have argued strongly that the Bible uses a 360-day year, based on:

• Genesis 7–8
• Jubilees
• Revelation 11–12

These examples do show the prophetic calendar using round 30-day months, especially in apocalyptic literature.

However, the question is:
Does Daniel 9 require a 360-day year?
The answer is no, because Daniel 9 never assigns any days, only:

שָׁבֻעִים – “weeks / units of seven”​

The Hebrew term means “sevens” not days, not lunar months, not solar years.
There is zero linguistic requirement for 360-day years in Daniel 9.
Most Jewish interpreters from antiquity (including Josephus, Philo, early rabbis) treated the 70 weeks figuratively or symbolically not as exact-day mathematical calculations.
So:
✔️ 360-day prophetic calendar exists
❌ but Daniel 9 doesn’t mandate it.
This means the conversion math may be interesting, but the text doesn’t require it.

2. About the decree date: 445/444 BC vs. 457 BC​

You argued strongly for a Nehemiah 2 (445–444 BC) decree.
That is a valid view many dispensational scholars hold it.
But the Hebrew wording in Daniel 9:25 says:

מִן־מֹצָא דָבָר לְהָשִׁיב וְלִבְנוֹת יְרוּשָׁלִַם​

“From the issuing of the decree to restore and rebuild Jerusalem”
The key word is:

לְהָשִׁיב – “to restore” (not just rebuild walls)​

Ezra 7 (457 BC) is the only decree that:

• restores Jewish law
• restores autonomy
• restores worship
• restores judicial authority
• restores the temple economy

Nehemiah’s decree (444 BC) does not restore it only repairs the walls.
So historically and textually:
✔️ 445 BC is possible
✔️ 457 BC is linguistically stronger
This is why most classical and Jewish scholars use 457 BC, not 444 BC.

3. About the math leading to 20 AD or 18 AD crucifixion​

Dear Brother, you are honest enough to admit your calculations were changing.
That alone shows your sincerity.

Let me lovingly say this:

If the math produces an impossible crucifixion year, that means the system not the Bible is flawed.​

The Bible is consistent.

• Jesus’ ministry begins in “the 15th year of Tiberius” (Luke 3:1) → 27/28 AD
• Jesus is “about 30” at that time (Luke 3:23)
• Passover crucifixion fits 30–33 AD astronomically

Anything earlier (18–25 AD) simply does not match the New Testament.

So any chronological system that pushes the crucifixion earlier than 30 AD is mathematically elegant, but biblically impossible.
This is the problem with forcing 360-day conversions on a text that never requires them.

4. “2 Thessalonians 2 happened in 70 AD”​

Paul says the man of lawlessness:

• exalts himself as God (2 Thess 2:4)
• sits in the temple of God
• performs false signs and wonders (2 Thess 2:9)

Josephus records:
❌ No individual claiming to be God
❌ No supernatural signs
❌ No global deception
❌ No covenant with many (Dan 9:27)
❌ No stopping of sacrifices by a false messiah
❌ No “breath of the Lord destroying him” (2 Thess 2:8)

So respectfully,
70 AD simply does not match Paul’s description.
Paul also wrote 2 Thess before 70 AD and said:


So Paul contradicts the idea that 70 AD fulfills the passage.

5. “All of Matthew 24 happened in 70 AD”​

Jesus says:

• the gospel will be preached to all nations (Matt 24:14) not completed in 70 AD
• the sun and moon will be darkened (24:29) did not happen
• tribulation such as never was or never will be (24:21) WWII exceeded 70 AD
• they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds (24:30) did not occur
• angels gathering the elect (24:31) no record of this event

This cannot be compressed into 70 AD.
Jesus clearly divides:

1. Local signs (70 AD) Luke 21
2. Global final signs (end times) Matthew 24

6. “Revelation was written in 41 AD”​

There is zero historical evidence for a 41 AD date.
All early Church fathers agree:

• Irenaeus (AD 180)
• Clement of Alexandria
• Origen
• Victorinus
• Eusebius

all testify Revelation was written during the reign of Domitian (81–96 AD).
There is no manuscript
no commentary
no Greek tradition
no early writer
no historian
that places Revelation in 41 AD.
So that part of your system is historically unsupported.

7. “The final 7 years were 63–70 AD”​

Daniel 9:27 says the one who makes the covenant:

• strengthens a covenant with many
• stops sacrifices
• sets up an abomination
• is destroyed at the consummation

Nothing in 63–70 AD fits that complete sequence.
The Zealots stopping sacrifices was:

• not covenant-related
• not done by a single ruler
• not accompanied by abomination signs
• not followed by the ruler’s destruction
• not followed by everlasting righteousness (9:24)

Back to the Topic: Does Daniel 9 support a dual 70-week structure?​

Yes! because:

1. The Hebrew word נֶחְתַּךְ (“divided out, cut off”)​

allows sequential “divisions” of time.

2. The structure of the prophecy is chiastic​

A–B–C–D–C’–B’–A’

3. There is a clear gap after the 69th week (Dan 9:26)​

4. Jesus places part of Daniel 9 in the future (Matt 24:15)​

5. Paul places elements of Daniel 9 in the future (2 Thess 2)​

6. John places elements of Daniel 9 in the future (Rev 11–13)​

Thus:
✔️ A dual-layer fulfillment fits both the textual grammar and the biblical canon.


Blessings Dear Brother

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457BC, and 444 BC both have problems. It was going to be 49 years until the city was rebuilt. The decree given 445 BC was only for the walls ,and they rebuilt them in 52 days (Nehemiah 4) so by 445 BC the whole city had been rebuilt. 445-49=396 BC, 457- 49 = 408 BC but again everything was rebuilt by 445 BC. If 445 BC was the end of 49 years then it means "the decree" went out 49 years earlier 494 BC but then that poses problems for the crucifixion date. If you use an earlier decree of Cyrus or Darius it causes even worse problems for the crucifixion date. So.... the archaeological dates appear to be wrong. It might be easier to date the crucifixion using NT sources like you did then work backwards.


2 Thessalonians 2 meant the physical standing temple at the time that had the holy spirit in it. This ceased to exist 70 AD. The prophecy is set within the first century. It happened before 70 AD.

All of Math 24 happened 70 AD. See the thread on Enoch, and Jude I made. Jude, and 1 Enoch
Revelation was written 41 AD. Paul in 2 Corinthians 55 AD said he knew someone 14 years earlier caught up to heaven that saw things that can't be written which is what happens to John in Revelation; an angel tells him don't write some things down. Paul doesn't say it was the author of Revelation he is talking about because he does not want to boast. Internally in Rev 11 the temple is still standing, and being destroyed, and Daniel 9 which ended 70 AD said vision, and prophecy would stop 70 AD, and Revelation contains vision, and prophecy. I reject external evidence if it conflicts with inspired scripture therefore I reject apocryphal acts of John (150 AD), and Irenaeus (180 AD) that say Revelation was written in the 90s AD under Domitian.
63-70 AD was the final 7. Eleazar Ben Hanania stops the daily sacrifice in the temple 66 AD that the Judeans had been doing for the Romans (not the torah ones) [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse]ing off the Romans, and starting the Judean Roman wars. The torah ones stopped 70 AD due to no one do do them. It is referring to these daily sacrifices Exodus 29.38-43; Numbers 28:1-8 Leviticus 6.8-13. When the daily sacrifice stops in Dan8, and 11, and someone puts up an abomination of desolation in the temple that was about Maccabees, and Antiochus 4 when he stopped the animal sacrifices, and put a greek god statue in the temple so when Dan 9 uses the same language it is about stopping sacrifices in the temple, and someone putting a statue in it around 70 AD. It is not about Jesus holding up the cup, and saying this is the new covenant, and he did not put a statue in the temple. I will make another post about the problems with the Daniel decree numbers.

9Rock9 said:

Can one affirm both the Mytho-History/cosmic
Temple view and framework hypothesis, or do they conflict in some way?

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I don't believe there is a contradiction between the two. Most scholars, including John Walton note in writings that they acknowledge the triad structure of Genesis with days 1-3 relating to ordering the realms, tohu, and days 4-6 filling those realms with their host, bohu.

I would recommend the book "Reading Genesis 1 and 2: An Evangelical Conversation".

This book gives 5 different interpretations of Genesis. 4 out of the 5 are not YEC. So you'll see a lot of crossover commentary between the framework hypothesis and a handful of well studied scholarly opinions. And each scholar shares a perspective and the other 4 critique that perspective, then the book rotates to a different scholar and a different topic of Genesis.

NxNW said:

Which never happened.

Which also never happened.

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Wrong again.

Denial doesn't change reality.

Akita Suggagaki said:

You spoke of defending “unjustifiable” action.
You want to defend unjustifiable action?

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Only to the extent that I would defend unjustifiable action based on a premise that we have limited information, and not the full story. In regards to Trump pardoning someone, he says he has a reason based on "facts" according to his own words, but does not share those facts.

I can defend someone based on my belief that those facts do exist, in the same way we often trust our government based on other classified facts that they do not share, based on reasons we are not permitted to know.

A Devil's Advocate said:

I’m not sure I would agree with that. Scripture never teaches that Gentiles were ‘cut off’ from God in the sense of being unable to come to Him. We were not part of Israel’s covenant identity, and we were not chosen as the priest-nation, but that has never meant Gentiles were unable to know God or be saved.

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See Genesis 17:14 and Ephesians 2:11-12.

A Devil's Advocate said:

Abraham himself wasn’t part of Israel either when he first believed, and God counted him righteous simply because of his faith. That has always been the way God saves people, Jew or Gentile.

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Once God gave Abraham the covenant of circumcision, no male gentile could approach God without physical circumcision.

# 1 IN //. EN /////I is. a PREPOSITION''

# 2 THAT HE SAITH /////. LEGO. is in the PRESENT TENSE. in. the ACTIVE VOICE

# 3 A NEW //////. KAINOS. is. in. the ACCUSATIVE CASE in. the SINGULAR

# 4. COVENANT //// DIATHEKE

# 5 HE HATH. MADE /////PALAIOO. is in. the PERFECT TENSE in. the INDICATIVE MOOD pin. the INDICATIVE MOOD in. the SINGULAR

# 6 THE ////// HO is a DEFINITE ARTICLE. in. the ACCUSATIVE CASE in. the SINGULAR

# 7 FIRST //////. PROTOS in. the ACCUSATIVE CASE in. the SIGNULAR

# 8 OLD. //// PALAOO. is. in. the PERFECT TENSE in. the ACTIVE VOICE in. the INDICATIVE MOOD in. the SINGULAR

# 9 NOW /// DE is a CONJUNCATION

# 10 THAT WHICH DECAYETH. ////. PALAIOO is. in. the PRESENT TENSE in. the ACTIVE VOICE in. the NOMINTIVE CASE

in. the SINGULAR in. the NEUTER

# 11 AND //// KAI. is a CONJUNCATION

# 12 WEAXETH. OLR //// GORAS. is in. the PRESENT TENSE in. the ACTIVE VOICE is a PARTICPLE in. the NOMINATIVE CASE

in. the NOMINATIVE CASE in. the SINGULAR in. the NEUTER

# 13. READY ///. ONGYS. is and adverb

#14. TO VANISH AWAY. ///. APHANISMOS. in v the v. GENITIVE CASE in. the SINGULAR

# A AND Paul who wrote HEBREWS shows that the OLD COVENANT was to VENISH AWAY. and Paul did not ONLY. write. about it BUT

saw it VANISH AWAY !!

#B Hebtews 9 :18. shows why. THE OLD COVENANT. had to pass AWAY as animal sacrifices could not and NEVER save UNTIL

Christ died on. he CROSS

# C. Born Again or BORN of WATER. OR Unless ONE. is BORN OF WATER. AND THE SPIRIT. he cannot enter the KINGDOM of GOD .

# D. AS we are under the Law , PERIOD. !1. Rom 6:14

# E. WE are under GRACE , PERIOD ROM 6:14

# F PAUL REIGINS who preaches fr by GRACE ARE YOU SAVED

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essentialsaltes said:

Oh, Alito stepped in to restore the gerrymandered maps temporarily. Will SCOTUS stall long enough to let the new maps go into effect? Will we get the funnier outcome? We'll find out.

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Funnier outcome back on the menu!

Fingers crossed, something like the ~13 point swing in the Tennessee special election gets applied to the new Texas districts in 2026.

Supreme Court lets Texas keep new congressional map while legal battle continues

The ruling is a major win for the Trump administration and Texas Republicans, who engineered the map to give the GOP control of 30 of the state’s 38 congressional districts.


Texas can use its new, GOP friendly congressional map while a legal challenge plays out, the U.S. Supreme Court ruled, temporarily pausing a lower court ruling that had blocked the map from going into effect.

With the Dec. 8 candidate filing deadline fast approaching, the high court’s decision likely means Texas’ new map will be used for the 2026 midterm elections.

Justice Samuel Alito ruled that it was “indisputable” that Texas’ motivation for redistricting was “pure and simple” partisan advantage, which the court has previously ruled is permissible. A federal judge had previously ruled that the state likely engaged in racial gerrymandering, a claim Alito rejected. The three liberal justices dissented.


The ruling is a major win for Republicans in Texas and nationally. President Donald Trump had pushed Texas to redraw its map over the summer, hoping to secure five additional GOP seats to shore up the party’s narrow majority in the U.S. House through the midterms.

Jamming over the internet
I ran into this recently, its called "Lutefish", its a real time jam tool that minimizes the latency over the internet for musicians to jam. I never pursued it or even looked into it much other then heard that it was available as a tool for jamming for musicians. Play Music Together, Miles Apart

How they recorded songs, what equipment and software. Whether they record all at once, track by track and what sort of instruments do they use such as real as opposed to virtual instruments.?
Equipment for me is been an endless list of things. I collected what works through the years, the hardest was playing/recording live drums to track, I have electronic kit now, still having problems playing them how I hear it. I sing & play all my instruments as best I can, bass, drums, guitar, keys, recording them to a program called Reaper, track by track, mix it all up in the end. Years of goofing around with this process trying and failing, sharing the good stuff when I can, and thanking God for every bit of it. I can say it is fun doing. =)

What about song writing. I tend to first come up with a tune or a loop of some sort in my head and build a song from that.
Thats seems like how allot of other people do it too..if it works dont fix it. I usually come up with the music, listen to it to see what its saying, and then figure out if I can sing to it. and mostly unpacks with some phrases that I usually can build the rest the rest of the song to.

sometimes get stuck and cannot find the right words and think I will just use the made up or temporary word as it works best.
yep ..its a tricky thing to get through, some times a song can sit without words for years, they get added and then changed depending on mood swings, weather, or if I ran into a circumstance or movie that inspired something ..little bits..allot of bits..time. Keep at it basically..try and remember its fun.

Lennon sometimes just used silly words or just made up words and people read all sorts of stuff in them lol.
yea why not right? I sometimes give my tracks to other singers in my company and they come up with all kinds of things to sing..and then I record them singing to it.

johnnypapa said:

An Ex Cathedra statement with a nice encyclical about the history and meaning of the priesthood would put the finishing touch on this.

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I believe it is much needed. The waffling on this topic is more than exasperating.

Continued prayers for you!

Costco Sues Trump Administration for Refund of Tariffs

The retail giant is seeking to recover money it has paid this year, should the Supreme Court rule that President Trump’s implementation of tariffs was unlawful.



The complaint, filed on Friday in the U.S. Court of International Trade, argues that Mr. Trump misused a 1977 law in his move to implement tariffs on products from more than 100 countries.

The lawsuit asserts that Congress, not the president, has the authority to set tariffs, and that Mr. Trump exceeded the authority granted to him by the law, the International Emergency Economic Powers Act, or IEEPA.

“The text of IEEPA does not use the word ‘tariff’ or any term of equivalent meaning,” Costco states in the lawsuit, which was reported earlier by NBC News. The act allows the president to regulate or prohibit foreign transactions during a national emergency, but does not authorize the imposition of tariffs, according to the lawsuit.

Kush Desai, a spokesman for the White House, said in a statement that the “economic consequences of the failure to uphold President Trump’s lawful tariffs are enormous and this suit highlights that fact. The White House looks forward to the Supreme Court’s speedy and proper resolution of this matter.”

It has said in the past that its use of the IEEPA is lawful because the law gives the president the authority to “regulate” the “importation” of foreign property to deal with emergencies.

I posted this in the other thread, but putting it here also.

Grand Jury Said to Decline to Re-Indict Letitia James
After a judge dismissed the Trump administration’s first attempt to indict the attorney general of New York State, a new grand jury effort failed, according to people familiar with the matter.

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/12/04/us/politics/letitia-james-indict-trump.html?unlocked_article_code=1.6E8.UMPd.1PRnDujXoT27&smid=url-share


A grand jury in Norfolk, Va., declined on Thursday to re-indict Letitia James, New York’s attorney general, rejecting efforts to revive a criminal case that had been sought by President Trump, according to people familiar with the matter.
The unsuccessful attempt to revive the case against Ms. James does not necessarily end the administration’s efforts to put her on trial, even after a federal judge dismissed an earlier indictment last month in ruling that the prosecutor who brought the case was unlawfully appointed by Mr. Trump and Attorney General Pam Bondi.
Nothing in the law prevents the Justice Department from trying a third time to indict her.