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US city grants mosques preliminary approval to broadcast call to prayer over loudspeakers

I understand Islamophobia, religious intolerance (Across the board) and fear mongering

How ever I will point out that there is a Mosque and religious center about an hour from here, that offers a food bank for EVERYONE I mean ANYONE Not just Muslims. They have a free clinic for ALL PERSONS including free eyeglasses ANYONE can seek help there

With SNAP Benefits unavailable, they will be granting meals and food to anyone who needs groceries. ANYONE Free Food Just show up with the SNAP card and get some food on the table

I made mention a week ago to a friend who is a Baptist pastor that with SNAP benefits declining perhaps the congregation should pitch in and help out those who need food.

He has yet to respond

I am increasing donations to local secular/community food banks now since no churches are involved, I am giving directly to secular community food banks and charities. I really do not know many Muslim people, but if they
asked me for help I were surely help them
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Be Instructed Judah

The Jewish State of Israel. Which is a misnomer as they represent the House of Judah only.
It is not a misnomer. The majority of individual Jews themselves don't know which of the twelve tribes each of them belong to. They are expecting the messiah to inform them. That is what the Jews have told me.

The priests to serve in the coming rebuilt Temple on the temple mount must be of the tribe of Levi.

The nation of Israel has been reunited. You have no viable explanation regarding Ezekiel 37:15-18, the reuniting of the nation of Israel.
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Morality without Absolute Morality

You weren't in a dialogue,
Call it what you like. We had exchange a series of posts. If you are going to respond to my post, respond to what I wrote and support. I am not part of a team. I am not here to back any one specific poster or to oppose them. I may even agree with you on occasion.
you butted into a conversation that was already going.
This simply isn't true. I responded to a post about a scientific paper. That post was made in response to a post by you, but..;

I discussed the paper, not you or your ideas.
I discussed the science, not morality (the overarching theme of this thread and sub-forum.)

If (as you say below) the paper was not relevant, you had no need to reply to me or talk about my post. You did both. When I did reply to your first response, I did reply to your post not directly to me, but a very similar post from you that had included your indirect discussion of my post.
I return to my question about the holocaust.

They very much are, because the issue is whether or not what a given society considers moral makes that moral. The example was expressly chosen because it is assumed that it is indisputably immoral, but if morals vary depending on the society cannot be condemned.
I'm not going to play this game. I've watched this thread for weeks and the seen your repeated attempts to drag @Bradskii through the mud over "murder" and "rape". (The latter the likely source of your rape/evolution comment, but I didn't dig into it.)
You've presented nothing worth arguing about.
Your choice *should* be to not reply. The opportunity was right in front of you at the beginning 24 hours ago.
Yes, I have stated that the criticisms you've lobbed aren't really relevant to the issue that was being addressed. I responded to you because the context of why that paper was even referenced in the first place matters more than the paper itself, especially given the thread topic.
We can discuss the relationship between evolution and morality (as we have) or not. It is up to you.
I'm not up on psychologists lingo, so my confusion was more general regarding how "theory" is used.
It's not really about how "theory" is used but a very important specific concept of "theory of mind" that is central to the psychological understanding of moral interactions, empathy, and social interactions. Frankly it is hard to have a properly informed discussion on the origin of morality if you don't know about it.
Sure

Sure thing, but such artificial oughts render the whole enterprise suspect.
Which is exactly why I feel that way about objective and absolute morality.
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The Hebrew Calendar and the Traditional Roman Liturgy

The problem with this is that Pesakh can basically be on any day of the week while EO Pascha and Roman Easter is always on a Sunday. Also, since we now know the exact astronomical full moon date and time, the first Sunday after it would simply celebrate the resurrection.
But Passover and the passion observance and Easter will be the same week for Jewish, the EO and Catholic religions.

Anyway, it's not up to me. Stronger minds than mine are at work over it. :D
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Pope Leo XIV: Build the Church on the solid foundations of Christ, not on worldly criteria

At the Basilica of St. John Lateran on Sunday, Pope Leo XIV urged Christians to build the Church on “solid foundations” rooted in Christ rather than on “worldly criteria” that demand immediate results and overlook the value of patience and humility.

Celebrating Mass for the solemnity of the Dedication of the Lateran Basilica — the cathedral of the bishop of Rome and the oldest church in the city — the pope reflected in his homily on the meaning of this feast and on the Church as a living temple built of “living stones.”

“The millennial history of the Church teaches us that with God’s help, a true community of faith can only be built with humility and patience,” he said. “Such a community is capable of spreading charity, promoting mission, proclaiming, celebrating, and serving the apostolic magisterium of which this temple is the first seat.”

The pope drew on the image of the basilica’s physical foundations to speak about the spiritual foundations of the Church. “If the builders had not dug deep enough to find a solid base on which to construct the rest, the entire building would have collapsed long ago,” he said. “As laborers in the living Church, we too must first dig deep within ourselves and around ourselves before we can build impressive structures. We must remove any unstable material that would prevent us from reaching the solid rock of Christ.”


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That's the same message promoted by Bishop Sheen.
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BBC director general and News CEO resign over Trump documentary edit


It's good that at least some of these people are being held accountable.

The Ten Commandments are the Covenant, did you know?

You nullify the old covenant that the new testament refers to as basis, Jesus has basis for our trust with the prophecies of him being fulfilled. It is not the same without it. There was no argument against the new covenant, why try making an argument?
Do you realize that the apostolic teaching (Heb 8:13) of Christ (Lk 10:16) is that the Old Covenant is obsolete?
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Democrats shut down government


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Lets think about this. Why would a shutdown result in Democrats victories if Democrats were holding voters hostage?

Oh I know! Because people want the ACA subsidies.

You can't take people hostage if the people are voting for you so that you will block the CR.

Of the top 10 countries in the world with the most affordable and high quality health insurance, all of them have government subsidized and mostly universal healthcare.

And until the Republican party can present its own model to compete with Obamacare, they won't be able to win the people on this topic.
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Trumps interactions with global leaders

Since January 2025, President Donald Trump has met with at least 15 foreign leaders during his second term, based on available information from various sources. Below is a detailed breakdown of these meetings, focusing on confirmed interactions with heads of state, government leaders, or their representatives:

Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu - Met on February 4, 2025, at the White House to discuss Gaza, ceasefire agreements, and U.S. sanctions on the International Criminal Court.

Japanese Prime Minister Shigeru Ishiba - Met on February 7, 2025, at the White House, focusing on regional security (China, North Korea, Taiwan, South China Sea), the Quad alliance, and U.S. LNG exports to Japan.

Jordan’s King Abdullah II - Met on February 11, 2025, at the White House, discussing Gaza and Palestinian issues, with Trump proposing controversial plans for Gaza's redevelopment.

In addition:
  1. Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi - Met on February 13, 2025, at the White House, discussing trade, tariffs, migration, energy cooperation, and the Quad alliance.
  2. Irish Taoiseach Micheál Martin - Met on March 12, 2025, at the White House, discussing U.S.-Ireland relations and trade, with Trump criticizing Ireland’s tax policies.
  3. Italian Prime Minister Giorgia Meloni - Met on April 17, 2025, at the White House, discussing U.S.-EU trade and extending an invitation for Trump to visit Italy.
  4. Norwegian Prime Minister Jonas Gahr Støre - Met on April 24, 2025, at the White House for a bilateral lunch and Oval Office meeting on trade and other matters.
  5. South African President Cyril Ramaphosa - Met in May 2025 at the White House, where Trump confronted him with articles about alleged violence against white farmers.
  6. Canadian Prime Minister Mark Carney - Met in May or June 2025 at the White House, with discussions marked by tense exchanges.
  7. Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy - Met on February 28, 2025, at the White House in a contentious Oval Office meeting, and again on August 18, 2025, with European leaders to discuss the Russia-Ukraine conflict.
  8. Russian President Vladimir Putin - Met in August 2025, prior to the August 18 White House summit with Zelenskyy and European leaders, to discuss the Russia-Ukraine conflict.
  9. Finnish President Alexander Stubb - Met on August 18, 2025, at the White House as part of the summit with Zelenskyy and other European leaders, noted for his close relationship with Trump.
  10. British Prime Minister Keir Starmer - Met on August 18, 2025, at the White House during the summit, discussing security guarantees for Ukraine.
  11. French President Emmanuel Macron - Met on August 18, 2025, at the White House during the summit, emphasizing the need for a ceasefire in Ukraine.
  12. NATO Secretary-General Mark Rutte - Met on August 18, 2025, at the White House as part of the summit, noted for his ability to engage with Trump.

Additional Notes:​

  • Multilateral Meetings: The August 18, 2025, White House summit included multiple European leaders, but only those explicitly named (Zelenskyy, Stubb, Starmer, Macron, and Rutte) are counted here to avoid duplication. Other leaders may have been present but are not specifically identified in the sources.
  • Pre-Inauguration Meetings: Some sources mention meetings before January 20, 2025 (e.g., with Polish President Andrzej Duda, British Foreign Secretary David Cameron, or Saudi Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman), but these are excluded as they occurred before Trump’s second term began.
  • International Trips: Trump has made 5 international trips to 8 countries (Canada, Italy, the Netherlands, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, the United Arab Emirates, the United Kingdom, and Vatican City) since January 2025, which likely involved additional meetings with foreign leaders, but specific leaders are not always named.
  • Sources: The count is based on reports from reputable outlets like CNN, The New York Times, The Washington Post, and Wikipedia, cross-referenced for accuracy.

And today he hosts the President of Poland.​

Combine that with brokering seven cease fires/peace deals in as many different nations.

This has to be some type of record for a President interacting internationally.

An isolationist he sure isn't
It certainly wouldn't be a record. Obama was criticized, by Republicans, for meeting with so many world leaders after being elected in 2008, as he worked to catch up relations after the Bush years.

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Mass celebrated again at ancient St. Maron’s Shrine in Syria after 15-year silence

For the first time in over 15 years, the Maronite Church in Syria celebrated a solemn Mass at the ancient shrine of St. Maron in the village of Brad, northwest of Aleppo.

A pilgrimage to the site, organized by the Maronite Scouts, drew more than 80 participants, young and old, reviving one of the most sacred Christian sites in the region known as the “Dead Cities.”

Father Ghandi Mahanna, who led the liturgy, reminded worshippers that “the true presence of God is found in every human heart,” urging them to live faith through love.

The group also visited the nearby ruins of St. Simeon the Stylite’s Church and the cave chapel once home to the hermit Toufic Ajib, which suffered partial damage during the war.

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