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Federal government cuts off aid to Texas Catholic Charities

The U.S. Department of Homeland Security has suspended Catholic Charities of the Rio Grande Valley from receiving federal funding, according to the charity group.

The Catholic Charities group is the charitable branch of the Diocese of Brownsville and is part of Catholic Charities USA and Caritas Internationalis.

The charity is located in South Texas and operates the Humanitarian Respite Center in McAllen. The migrant shelter is run by Sister Norma Pimentel, known popularly as “the immigrants’ nun.” Pimentel and the center offer immigrants awaiting court hearings shelter and food before they travel to meet relatives in other cities and states.

The nonprofit reported in a statementthat the organization learned that the government "temporarily suspended” its "eligibility for federal funding pending a further determination."

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Missouri's GOP governor calls special session to redraw congressional districts to promote "Missouri Values"

Organizers submit enough signatures to block gerrymandered Missouri map

More than 300,000 signatures delivered to secretary of state to force referendum on Republican-drawn map

A provision of the Missouri constitution gives voters a chance to repeal acts of the legislature if organizers can collect enough signatures in a tight timeframe. The vast majority of the measures that have been put up for a referendum have been repealed.

Republicans have aggressively fought to counter the Missouri effort. The secretary of state, Denny Hoskins, has tried to throw out nearly 100,000 signatures, arguing that they were prematurely collected.

Verifying the signatures should take between eight and 10 weeks, but it could go into next summer, People Not Politicians said in a statement. The new map must remain paused while the review takes place, the group said.
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‘TERMINATED!’ Trump Calls to End FEMA and Let States Manage Disasters for ‘BIG SAVINGS’

Well, if you can't get rid of it, at least you can put one of the producers of pardoned convicted felon Dinesh D'Souza's 2000 Mules nonsense in charge of it.



Gregg Phillipps of 'True the Vote' is now Administrator of FEMA’s Office of Response and Recovery (ORR).
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‘God Is Doing Something’—Lee Strobel Investigates Whether Miracles Happen in New Documentary ‘The Case for Miracles’

A new documentary by Lee Strobel titled, “The Case for Miracles,” aims to provide evidence that miracles similar to those that are recorded in the Bible do indeed take place today. The documentary will be in theaters Dec. 15–18.

Strobel recounts how investigating the historical evidence for Jesus’ resurrection transformed him from an atheist to a Christian. Today, he believes miracles still occur and outlines four criteria he uses to verify credible cases: medical documentation, multiple eyewitnesses, lack of natural explanation, and whether the event happens in the context of prayer.

“If I see those four things together, depending on the circumstance, I can be persuaded that, yes, God has intervened supernaturally today in his creation,” Strobel told ChurchLeaders.

Strobel shares scientifically documented studies from Mozambique and Brazil—published in a secular, peer-reviewed medical journal—showing dramatic improvements in hearing and vision immediately after Christian prayer. Strobel does admit that fraud, coincidence, placebo, and spontaneous remission exist but cannot account for many well-evidenced cases.

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God hides things

There are books that are outside the protestant canon that are inspired only for the wise that seek them out. They are apocrypha which means hidden from the wise of the world.

Jesus talking to the Sadducees who asked about resurrection.

Mathew 22 29 Jesus replied, “You are in error because you do not know the Scriptures or the power of God. 30 At the resurrection people will neither marry nor be given in marriage; they will be like the angels in heaven.

God talking to the fallen angels pre flood in 1 Enoch that left heaven, came down to earth, and married women

1 Enoch 15
But you originally existed as spirits, living forever,
and not dying for all the generations of eternity;
7 therefore I did not make women among you.’
The spirits of heaven, in heaven is their dwelling;

He calls 1 Enoch scripture, and Jude says "Enoch 7th from Adam" so Jude believed what he was quoting was written before Noahs flood, and not pseudepigrapha first written 300 BC, and backdated. Jude, and 1 Enoch
The Sadducees stuff up a story from Tobit about the woman being married then demons killing her 7 husbands each night before the marriage too. They forgot to add she married successfully the 8th time. So Jesus is calling Tobit scripture too. That was written in the 700s, and 600s BC, 1 Enoch was written 4400-4000 BC after creation 5500 BC but before Noahs flood 3300 BC. There are a lot of other texts inspired apocrypha that are not pseudepigrapha for the wise only too. My summary list of the most important ones are 1 Enoch, Life of Adam, and Eve, Assumption of Moses, 1/2 Maccabees. For the NT Gospel of Nicodemus, History of Joseph the Carpenter, Proto James. All on audiobook on youtube or annas archive and internet archive are two free e book websites.
While I am sympathetic to the extra books, I choose to just rely on the Holy Spirit if there are gaps in my knowledge. I am not saying they are not be useful but thus far in my walk the bible seems more than sufficient to learn.
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Trump backs Senate GOP bill to give Americans $1,500 checks for health care — here’s who qualifies

“I absolutely agree with President Trump that we need to redirect subsidies from insurance companies and give patients the power,” Sen. Bill Cassidy (R-La.), one of the bill’s co-sponsors, told The Post.
“Republicans want real solutions that actually make health care affordable and put money in families’ pockets. I applaud the president for his leadership on this issue,” added Cassidy, who chairs the Senate Health, Education, Labor and Pensions Committee, and introduced the legislation with Senate Finance Chairman Mike Crapo (R-Idaho).

We do need to stop funneling taxpayer dollars to wealthy insurance companies.
So what exactly is the "real solution"? That the federal government will pay for our health insurance?

I thought that was what the Trump administration wanted to avoid doing?

"I don't want to give insurance companies any money" he says. And yet, the money is being given directly to Obamacare enrollees which of course are giving money to health insurance companies of the Obamacare marketplace.
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Although I don't believe this apparently scientists believe life formed on its own

And you don't think Christian beliefs had anything to do with this reintroduction.
No, It was Islamic scholars who had preserved and translated the works of people like Plato and Aristotle while the West was in a dark age..
This is silly. Your using the arguement of the belief in the resurrection of the body which defies physical reality to dismiss the idea that there is a material/spiritual reality.
No, I am not. I am merely pointing out that substance dualism is neither fundamental to Christian doctrine nor necessary to it.
It does not matter really what you want to call it. The fact is one way or another humans have this belief in a transcedent and immaterial reality. Whether thats paganism or Christianity.

For the purposes of supporting that material and immaterial or mind/consciousness and physical brain divide it doesn't matter.
Yes, it doesn't matter. And rejecting your take on it--which is what we are doing here--doesn't deny it anyway.
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Is Hell Annihilationism or Eternal Torment

Here's why I keep well away from Philosophy, Psychology, secular science or anything else that is based on mans wisdom.

Proverbs 14:12 "There is a way that seems right to a man, But its end is the way of death".

I'm never going to die again, once was enough, so why would I dabble in witchcraft or sorcery.

Philosophy has nothing to offer Born again believers, neither do the Shepherds of other flocks. Why would I turn my back on my Shepherd, to go after other Shepherds or worse still, Philosophers.

Here's what the bible says about those who do this.

Judges 2:17 "And yet they would not hearken unto their judges, but they went a whoring after other gods, and bowed themselves unto them: they turned quickly out of the way which their fathers walked in, obeying the commandments of the LORD; but they did not so."

I don't want to be like those who go whoring after other gods. God hands them over to the false gods and they are lost.

"Sola Scriptura" is Gods Living Word. It is the power to save, in fact it's the only way we can learn about who God is. Everyone who is saved and everyone who will be saved, is saved by the same old gospel. So the Bible is not a rag tag bunch of ancient weightings. It's Gods Living Word.

If you try to add anything to the simplicity of the Bible, then you will be swept away by every wind of doctrine.

There is only one way to learn, sound theology. And that is, you must be indwelt by the holy Spirit, (He leads Gods people, into all truth).

Those who are not lead by the Hoy Spirit, will surely fall for Satan's deception. He deceived Adam and Eve, and they were much wiser, than anyone today, but Satan is far wiser than any man, so deceiving unprotected men is super easy for Him.

It's getting close to midnight, so I'm goanna sign out for now, and I'm going to wish you a blessed Christmas, instead of a merry one. I think "merry" happy and the worlds gets happy after they have consumed some kind of external/artificial substance.

My sheppherd forbids any type of drugs or alcohol or any other type of sinful activities. My Church still has a Christmas party and a new years eve party. We still have great fun without abusing any substance's



So, you'll stop using English to communicate then? Language itself comes from "man's wisdom."

But, I know, I get it. Who cares?
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Canada’s Response to Trump’s Tariff

Here's what Canadian provinces are doing with all the US liquor they pulled off shelves

At least two provinces say the booze will go to a good cause, promising to sell remaining inventory and donate proceeds to charity.

One province is offloading it to restaurants and bars instead of selling it to the public.

Others have not said what they plan to do with the shelved liquor. That includes Ontario, which has an eye-popping C$80m ($57.7m; £43.3m) worth of US booze stockpiled, some of which will soon expire.

Nova Scotia Premier Tim Houston said remaining inventory is being sold so that products don't go to waste. He added that Nova Scotia will not be ordering anymore alcohol from the US once it sells out.

Quebec [will] donate soon-to-expire liquor to charity events and hospitality schools.

US ambassador to Canada Pete Hoekstra has signalled that the liquor boycott has been an irritant. Speaking to a US crowd in July, he said it is among the reasons why Trump and his team have referred to Canada as "mean and nasty".

Mid-year figures released by the Distilled Spirits Council of the United States (DISCUS) show that Canada's boycott has contributed to a decline in sales that is "very troubling", said council president and CEO Chris Swonger. Exports to Canada have dropped by 85% and have also declined to other markets, including the UK and the EU.
This is Trump's choice, and many support the choice.

1) Clearly, there will be lots less exports except for those items personally negotiated by Trump: guns, missiles, tech and agriculture. BTW, even if the Canadian government lifted the bans, the people still wouldn't be buying US goods.

2) Of course, there will also be fewer imports on goods that have tariffs.

3) Trump is driving down tourism, most obviously from Canada, but also from many other countries (consider his wish to have tourists provide lots of personal information, including 5 YEARS of social media history).

4) And finally, Trump is driving down immigration from any country, other than from white Christians who have an acceptable social media history.

TWO OBVIOUS EFFECTS, BOTH ON THE ECONOMY
1) prices will continue to go up because of tariffs.
2) the whitening of America will mean that many more tech and agricultural jobs will continue to go unfilled.

AS AN ASIDE
China (we are down to 10% of their exports), the EU, India and others will be forced to find new markets for their products and become more efficient. Globalism now longer includes the US. Prices will go down for the rest of the world as they increase trade among themselves. Of course, many of their governments will do as Trump wants. They will buy lots of guns, missiles and tech.
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Another look at the moon landing.

I'm saying that the moon clearly is not a light. The bible uses figurative speech in many instances.

This is not figurative.

King James Bible
And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.
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Trump joint session speech: "So to our farmers, have a lot of fun. I love you too. I love you too."

As farmers face trade wars and inflation, calls to mental health hotlines rise

This fall, the Iowa Concern hotline saw four to five times the number of calls it had in the same months last year, said Tammy Jacobs, the hotline’s manager.

The Farm Aid hotline is also seeing a change in the urgency of calls.

“We’re seeing more established farmers calling in — people who know how to play the game and how to access programs. They’re calling more often now, because even with all that institutional knowledge, they’re still running into issues for the first time that are more complex and difficult to solve,” said Lori Mercer, a Farm Aid hotline operator. “The system that’s in place is simply letting them down. There’s just no further safety net.”

Another approach to reaching farmers has been to train people who farmers trust and regularly interact with — such as suppliers, lenders, large animal veterinarians, and spouses — to recognize when someone may be dealing with mental health challenges and teach them how to support them and direct them to resources.

For example, Scheyett has trained agricultural lenders to recognize warning signs of suicide ideation and taught them how to respond.

Maybe try to cheer them up by saying "Have a lot of fun!"
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Why we are not supposed to keep the Sabbath

But God advocated for it, in the Holy Scriptures HE inspired. , and Jesus said to "Live by" Every Word of God and keep His Commandments. And Paul teaches men to "Yield themselves" servants to obey God. He said:

Rom. 2: 13 (For not "the hearers" of the law are just before God, but the "doers" of the law shall be justified. Will you argue here that he isn't talking about God's Law here?

So I agree that this world's religions have never advocated to obey God's Laws. But the Holy Scriptures do, even in the face of all those "other voices" that translated and created religious sects and businesses, God's instruction to obey Him has remained.

That is a fascinating Biblical Truth.



First of all, it is undeniable Biblical Truth that Moses never created even ONE Law. So the teaching that Jesus "Followed moses", or that David, Shadrack, Daniel, Zacharias, Simeon and Anna, "followed moses", which is what you imply, is foolishness. Moses gave people God's LAW. And as anyone seeking the Kingdom of God, as the Jesus "of the Bible" the instructs will find, if they "SEEK" what Jesus said to SEEK, that it never mattered who gave God's Laws, whether is was from His Own mouth to Adam, or the mouth of a husband to Eve, or a Prophet sent by God, or even His Own Son, Sent by God, there were and will always be voices, "who professed to know God", that preach against "yielding oneself" a servant to obey God's Laws in the flesh of men. And Jesus and His Father, at least according to the eyewitness accounts written in Scripture, are ONE in mind and thought. Jesus certainly didn't "Follow His Own Will" over the Will of His Father.



Well, I would argue they did more for the merchants of this earth, and the religious system of this world. Religion is certainly big money. But not "To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality," they are called names and ridiculed by this world's religions.

And of a truth, there is a reward, as Jesus teaches, for this followers and promoters of this world's religions.

You're whole spill means nothing to me,....

Gal 5:17 For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh; for these are contrary the one to the other; that ye may not do the things that ye would.
Gal 5:18 But if ye are led by the Spirit, ye are not under the law.

You're just wasting your time arguing.

But for me, I seek a new city wherein dwells righteousness, as defined by the God and Father of all, not the religious men of this world.

Well I can check with GOD about that.
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Trump Admin Sending Taliban $45M Sparks Republican Backlash

Huh. I thought we Americans opposed the Islamists. I guess the antimigrant furor after the DC shooting has successfully been redirected to the Somalis, for some reason...
I guess criminals support other criminals.
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my health

Please ask God if He could please allow me good health. I'm not feeling very well and my stress level is horrible. Please ask God to calm my mind and heal my liver, gallstones and heart and congestion. Please pray that I have no pain if it is God's will. I ask in the name of Jesus. Thank you and God bless you. Carmen.

DOJ wants to defend Christian students punished for opposing girl in boys' locker room

The U.S. Department of Justice is coming to the defense of two Virginia public high school students suspended earlier this year for speaking out against the presence of a female trans-identified student in the male locker room.

The Justice Department filed a motion to intervene on Monday in the case of S.W. et al. v. Loudoun County School Board, which centers on two Christian male students reportedly suspended after they objected to a girl who identifies as a boy in their locker room.

Loudoun County school officials "intentionally discriminated on the basis of religion in violation of the Equal Protection Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment," the administration lawyers contend.

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Obama care collapsing.....

What's wrong with that? That's the message Trump is sending continuously.
The grand Trump et al GOP plan is to provide seed money of $1,000 for people ages 18 to 49 and $1,500 for those 50 to 65 for people earning up to 700% of the poverty level for a Health Savings Account. The catch is, and wait for it, in order to get the pre-funded HSA, people would have to buy a bronze or catastrophic plan on an Obamacare exchange. Yes, the exchange they are trying to kill. It is a non solution solution. It is I guess that Trump plan to make healthcare better and cheaper "the likes no one has ever seen" he has had for the past 9 years.
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