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BPPLEE · 2025-12-08T20:27:44-0600

prodromos · 2025-12-08T20:27:33-0600

The Liturgist said:
I’m pretty sure that if that map is to be believed, Japan is the largest country on Earth.

It's either Japan or Hawaii

probinson · 2025-12-08T20:26:02-0600

Gene2memE said:
It's not just Democrats that are having "existential meltdowns" about the vaccine schedule changes. It's pretty much the entirety of the US medical profession.

So, more accurately, Democrats and mostly-Democrat associated health organizations. In particular, those that are funded primarily by pharmaceutical companies. Like the American Association of Pediatrics, as one example. Here's who funds them according to their website:

But I'm sure their recommendations are 100% pure and untainted by the fact that nearly all of their funding comes from the pharmaceutical companies that manufacture these vaccines.

In any event, the new recommendation from ACIP is consistent with most other developed nations of only giving the Hep B vaccine to high-risk newborns. There's no reason for medical organizations to be "deeply alarmed".

SabbathBlessings · 2025-12-08T20:24:00-0600

Breaking the Sabbath is what kept the Israelites from entering into this land of rest in Canaan. We are clearly told not to follow in their same path of disobedience. Heb 4:11

Eze 20: 12 Moreover I also gave them My Sabbaths, to be a sign between them and Me, that they might know that I am the Lord who sanctifies them.

Eze 20:20 hallow My Sabbaths, and they will be a sign between Me and you, that you may know that I am the Lord your God.’

But instead of placing the Word of God above anything else what did they do?

Heb4:5 and again in this place: “They shall not enter My rest.”
6 Since therefore it remains that some must enter it, and those to whom it was first preached did not enter because of disobedience,

What did they disobey? God said hallow My Sabbaths....what did they do instead...

Eze 20:13 Yet the house of Israel rebelled against Me in the wilderness; they did not walk in My statutes; they despised My judgments, ‘which, if a man does, he shall live by them’; and they greatly defiled My Sabbaths. Then I said I would pour out My fury on them in the wilderness, to consume them.

Eze 20:15 15 So I also raised My hand in an oath to them in the wilderness, that I would not bring them into the land which I had given them, ‘flowing with milk and honey,’ the glory of all lands, 16 because they despised My judgments and did not walk in My statutes, but profaned My Sabbaths; for their heart went after their idols.

God relates breaking the Sabbath to idol worship. Replacing what God asks with a will of another.

Jesus defined what false worship is- laying aside the commandment of God as to say they are not for me, making the word of God of no effect. Jesus used the commandment of God and the word of God interchangeable. Mat15:3-14 Mark7:7-13

In the end, the battle is over our worship. Most people worship either on Sunday or Saturday. Only one of these days comes with the power of God's sanctification Gen2:3 Eze 20:12 and God's blessings Isa59:2 Exo20:11 and only God can sanctity a day and sanctify us, both God tied with the Sabbath and God claimed in His own Words the Sabbath is My holy day, Isa58:13 but most has chosen something else.

A beast is a Kingdom or government agency and only the beast and can tell us what is its mark and they did.

It is well to remind the Presbyterians, Baptists, Methodists, and all other Christians, that the Bible does not support them anywhere in their observance of Sunday. Sunday is an institution of the Roman Catholic Church, and those who observe the day observe a commandment of the Catholic Church.
—Priest Brady, in an address, reported in the Elizabeth, NJ ‘News’ on March 18, 1903.

Of course the Catholic Church claims that the change was her act. And the act is a mark of her ecclesiastical power and authority in religious matters.
—C. F. Thomas, Chancellor of Cardinal Gibbons, in answer to a letter regarding the change of the Sabbath, November 11, 1895.

End the end, we will either worship the beast and whoever we obey, if who we serve or worship Rom6:16 or stay faithful to God.

Rev 14:6 Then I saw another angel flying in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach to those who dwell on the earth—to every nation, tribe, tongue, and people— 7 saying with a loud voice, “Fear God and give glory to Him, for the hour of His judgment has come; and worship Him who made heaven and earth, the sea and springs of water.” Direct quote Exo20:11

8 And another angel followed, saying, “Babylon[f] is fallen, is fallen, that great city, because she has made all nations drink of the wine of the wrath of her fornication.”

9 Then a third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, “If anyone worships the beast and his image, and receives his mark on his forehead or on his hand, 10 he himself shall also drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out full strength into the cup of His indignation. He shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels and in the presence of the Lamb. 11 And the smoke of their torment ascends forever and ever; and they have no rest day or night, who worship the beast and his image, and whoever receives the mark of his name.”

The only antidote is staying faithful to God and of course the commandments of God are His version, not what man edited.

Rev 14:12 Here is the [g]patience of the saints; here[h] are those who keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus.

No one hast he mark of the beast yet, because there is not a law preventing anyone to keep the Sabbath. But there is talk about a national Sunday law and when we are forced to choose Sunday, a tradition of man over keeping God's commandments that's when everything changes. Right now most of the government wants an enforced National Sunday law, they believe there should be no separation between church and state. God never forced anyone to worship Him, this is not coming from God, its always been a choice, if we love Jesus we keep His commandments John14:15 when its forced its not love.

iluvatar5150 · 2025-12-08T20:22:41-0600

ThatRobGuy said:
What should be the procedural cut-off for when an executive branch makes an administrative change to rules and prerequisites?

Is it when certain paperwork is filed?, when someone is X% of the way through the process?

Some time before they've completed all of the necessary prerequisites. There's a reason that ex post facto laws are generally prohibited in this country.

iluvatar5150 · 2025-12-08T20:20:24-0600

Robban said:
I have been there in the early sixties other than that I haxe no idea, should I know?

I am not an astronaut.

You said that there was a distinction between immigrants and refugees. Trump canceled the temporary protected status of Haitians and is sending them back in February. I figured since you made the distinction, you knew something about the places where these folks were being sent back to.

Isaac the Recluse · 2025-12-08T20:17:49-0600

Is my niece on TikTok?

IECEO

samaus123456789 · 2025-12-08T19:58:53-0600

It is in heavy code so that it can only be unlocked by someone that studies the bible a lot, studies the life of Solomon deliberately, and specifically, is willing to follow the text of the bible wherever it leads, and is willing to say what the bible says even if it is unpopular amongst other Christians. Also if it said in plain language "the mark of the beast is the hexagram on the future country Israel" the Christian Zionists would mock the bible, and say it has been corrupted that is not what it said originally.

bbbbbbb · 2025-12-08T19:57:35-0600

SabbathBlessings said:
He said He writes His laws.

God said this in the Ten Commandments

Exo 20:6 but showing mercy to thousands, to those who love Me and keep My commandments.

So who defines what God's laws are He, or man.

The only correct answer is God. He wrote them He spoke them He claimed them as His, He numbered them by design Deut4:13 Exo34:28 as He had the foresight that man would tinker with the Dan7:25 its the Testimony of God Exo 31:18 the work of God Ex32:16 there is not much more God could have done had He not come down from heaven and personally wrote them out, He did that too. If we can't believe God to define His owns laws, than I don't think we need Bibles anymore, its basically a free for all. No wonder why there is so much sin in the world.

My point stands firm. "No where in the Bible does it say that God will write His commandments contained in the covenant made with His people, Israel, on Mount Sinai, on Gentile hearts."

samaus123456789 · 2025-12-08T19:56:54-0600

Jipsah said:
Worth Price Charged opinion here. The Revelator seems to assume that his readers will know to whom "666" refers. IMO that lends credibility to the idea that it's simply an encoded name used to keep the the letter itself from becoming a basis for arrest/perscution/execution.

I made a post about it. It links back to Solomon 3 times via 666, and also wisdom, and understanding which links to the modern country "Israel", and the mark of the beast is the hexagram. It is in heavy code so that it can only be unlocked by someone that studies the bible a lot, studies the life of Solomon deliberately, and specifically, is willing to follow the text of the bible wherever it leads, and is willing to say what the bible says even if it is unpopular amongst other Christians. Also if it said in plain language "the mark of the beast is the hexagram on the future country Israel" the Christian Zionists would mock the bible, and say it has been corrupted that is not what it said originally.

Hans Blaster · 2025-12-08T19:52:23-0600

stevevw said:
Not only is your idea of me warped

Are you not middle-aged Australian?

stevevw said:
but your idea and steroetypes of Trump supporters is also twisted and strange.

I had to build the most extreme caricature of an ignorant MAGA Trump superfan to come close to your dogmatic and uninformed presentation on the current US president. I was certainly not stereotyping American Trump supporters.

stevevw said:
My info and view comes from expert analysis and not MAGA.

I disagree because I am basing this off the politicians and expert political commentators. How is it deranged when its truth lol.

Guests on "Lindell . tv" do not meet the normative definition of experts.

stevevw said:
They are the ones who said it lol. Where do you think I got this. I have also been following this for years.

The other posters? I could believe that you take the worst of their ideas and layer on your own ignorance of American politics, culture, and history.

stevevw said:
I actually got caught in the first Iraqi war in Kwait.

Which is not America. (My HS classmates also got stuck fighting that war.)

stevevw said:
I think you underestimate my knowledge and experience.

But I do so I am more informed than you.

Than me wasn't the issue. It was your knowledge relative to the other conservative posters. I'd still put up their understanding of American reality over you any day of the week and twice on Sunday.

stevevw said:
Which is real.

Real or not, it is irrelevant to the thread and THAT was my point.

stevevw said:
There you go. You jump into my posts and don't even know what your complaining about. It was in response to the one sided moral claims about the Narco boats.

You were whingeing about anti-Christian bias related to criticism of Trump's policy/action which is rather silly as Trump is at best a nominal Christian. (And I understand the moral depravity of your position on narco boat killings.)

stevevw said:
I used those examples to show how they are bias and have no moral ground. You don;t need to know a detailed history of American politics or Trump to know this as its quite plain to see. Even the Australian commentators say the same.

Are the Aussie commentators really that bad? (or just the ones on the "Fox News" of Australia.) (I am well aware that Ruprect Murdock is Australia's worst crime against America.)

stevevw said:
They do when people are making bias moral claims. The perfect rebuff is to show how they have no moral ground to stand on and they have allowed the same and it was quite ok then. But not now because its Trump.

But how can you *know* what any poster's position on drone strikes by Obama or whatever was? You certainly don't know mine. Now please, let's go back to discussing the news item on the current sequence of drone strikes on drug boats off the coast of Venezuela

GloryToHisName · 2025-12-08T19:49:20-0600

BobRyan said:
Truly a novel reading of the chapter.
Thanks for helping me see how that suggestion unfolds.

Historically, figures like Irenaeus, Hippolytus, and later Protestant reformers emphasized the Messiah's coming within this single 490 year timeline.

Vs 25 "70 weeks have been cut off" is a reference to the fact that the Angel shows up in Dan 9 to give "an explanation of the vision previously written as Dan chapter 8. So then Dan 9 is a much needed help for Dan 8. At the end of chapter 8 Daniel complains that it is not explained.

Dan 9 verse 25 says in essence that the first 70 weeks (490 years ) of the 2300 year timeline in chapter 8, are devoted to details regarding the coming of the Messiah in the first century AD>

Thank you. I made some corrections I think are in important.

keras · 2025-12-08T19:43:18-0600

Jan001 said:
God hasn't made his view clear and decisive.

Actually; He has, but the understanding of it all is hidden to most. Daniel 12:10b

Jan001 said:
I don't think these passages should be understood in a literal manner.
The Holy Land is not large enough for billions of the righteous to physically live comfortably there

Never spiritualize anything that can literally be fulfilled.
The entire Holy Land is a huge area, - from the Nile to the Euphrates.

Dave... · 2025-12-08T19:40:39-0600

Cornelius in Acts 10 was a man known by God before he came to faith in Jesus Christ. You can see God taking that OT faith and as predestined, seeing it through to a NT faith in Jesus Christ. Just like with Lydia. That's what I believe Romans 9 is speaking of. They were already known by God, but predestined to come to faith in Jesus. All that the Father gives Me, I shall not lose one of them.

John 14:6-7 Jesus said to him, "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me. "If you had known Me, you would have known My Father also; and from now on you know Him and have seen Him.

John 10:27 My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me.

He *knew them*, before Pentecost, before they were indwelt with the Holy Spirit (John 14:16-17) Before the Promise of the Father was given (Luke 24:49, Acts 1:4) - Pentecost, before they were in Christ and born again (Ephesians 1:13-14, 1 Peter 1:3). OT believers were not even yet justified, except by promise (Romans 3:25).

Romans 8:29-30 For whom He foreknew, He also predestined to be conformed to the image of His Son, that He might be the firstborn among many brethren. Moreover whom He predestined, these He also called (John 10:27-28); whom He called, these He also justified (Romans 3:25); and whom He justified, these He also glorified.

Gene2memE · 2025-12-08T19:39:34-0600

Factotum said:
That was a very clever thing to do by Hegseth. When you consider our nation's negligent National Security and DoD objectives, 2021-'24.

Yep, you want your military lawyers bowing to the political tides and ideology of whoever happens to be in power at the time and not providing neutral, fact-based, politically-independent legal advice. Because that has no possibility whatsoever of boomeranging on anyone. And the people who are in power now are always going to be in power. So there will be no see-sawing of legal interpretations. And no consequences!

Michie · 2025-12-08T19:39:13-0600

Praying all is well and medication is provided in time.

samaus123456789 · 2025-12-08T19:36:51-0600

The decree that went out had to be Nehemiah 2 20th year which went out on Nisan (abib in the torah) which was passover as Jesus in the NT is killed on passover. 445 BC decree goes out then 49 years later everything is rebuilt, all the Levites had come back from Babylon, and all the gold had come back from the Ezra 7 decree. Note most of those things happened by Nehemiah 12 time which takes place no longer than 12 years after the Nehemiah 2 decree as Nehemiah 3 is the 32nd year but maybe all the gold, and other people did not come back until around. 396 BC. From then until the messiah is cut off was 62 7s / 434 years or 483 years from the decree 445 BC. Converting 483 360 day years ends up with 476 solar years +25 days = around 32 AD. Can +- 1 maybe max 2 years either way. Persian chronology has a lot of sources, and is fixed pretty hard either way.

Daniel 9
[g] The people (the Roman army) of the ruler (either Jesus or Titus or Vespasian) who will come will destroy the city and the sanctuary (Romans destroying Jerusalem 70 AD) . The end will come like a flood: (Jesus said 70 AD would be like Noahs flood; the Romans flooded in, and killed everyone) War will continue until the end (the end of the Mosaic age) , and desolations have been decreed. 27 He will confirm a covenant with many for one ‘seven.’[h] In the middle of the ‘seven’[i] he will put an end to sacrifice and offering. And at the temple[j] he will set up an abomination that causes desolation, until the end that is decreed is poured out on him.[k]”[l]

Josephus says Eleazar Ben Hanania stopped the daily sacrifice the Judeans had been doing for the Romans 66 AD, and this angered the Romans, and was one of the main causes of the Judean Roman wars. So if this is what Dan meant the final 7 was 63-70 AD ending with the destruction of the temple. One of the Judean rebels must of put an abomination of desolation in the temple before 70 AD but it was not recorded, and by the sound of it made a covenant with the Romans or other Judeans that they broke also not recorded. Josephus says another daily sacrifice stopped 70 AD because of want of anyone to do it aka they were too busy fighting each other, and the Romans. If this is what Dan meant then the final 7 was 66-73 AD ending with the last of the Judean rebels killing themselves at Masada. 66-73 was the length of the Judean Roman wars anyway which was 7 years. By 73 AD all the people that killed Jesus had been killed by God using the Roman army as punishment for that bad sin just like Jesus said would happen multiple times " all the righteous blood shed on the earth will come upon this generation" etc, and there was no visible sign of the Mosaic covenant / the temple anymore. That was the end of OT Israel never to return ever again.

Exodus 29:38-39 is reference for the daily sacrifice. They had been doing it since Moses 1400 AD, and without that there was no forgiveness of sins for one day so it was a big deal when it stopped which it did in the Babylonian, and Maccabean period also.

Josephus

The Wars of the Jews, 2.408

. And at this time it was that some of those that principally excited the people to go to war, made an assault upon a certain fortress called Masada. They took it by treachery, and slew the Romans that were there, and put others of their own party to keep it. At the same time Eleazar, the son of Ananias the high-priest, a very bold youth, who was at that time governor of the temple, persuaded those that officiated in the divine service to receive no gift or sacrifice for any foreigner. And this was the true beginning of our war with the Romans; for they rejected the sacrifice of Cæsar on this account: and when many of the high-priests and principal men besought them not to omit the sacrifice, which it was customary for them to offer for their princes, they would not be prevailed upon. These relied much upon their multitude, for the most flourishing part of the innovators assisted them; but they had the chief regard to Eleazar, the governor of the temple.

The Wars of the Jews, 6.93

931. And now Titus gave orders to his soldiers that were with him to dig up the foundations of the tower of Antonia, and make him a ready passage for his army to come up; 94while he himself had Josephus brought to him (for he had been informed that on that very day, which was the seventeenth day of Panemus, [Tamuz,] the sacrifice called “the Daily Sacrifice” had failed, and had not been offered to God, for want of men to offer it, and that the people were grievously troubled at it)

After 70 AD if someone believed in Jesus then they are a Jew Israel of God Abrahams seed circumcized heir to Abrahams blessing. Romans 2 28 29, Galatians 6 16, 3 29, Romans 9 8, and other verses. So that is Christians. Or there was people saying they are Jews but lying they are the synagogue of satan. No other religions emerged after 70 AD. Either in covenant with the God of Abraham via belief in Jesus or nothing. 30-70 AD was the transition period from old to new but post 70 AD it was the end. The synagogue of satan could of looked at those prophecies in Dan 9 just after 70 AD, realised it ended with 70 AD realised the messiah had to come 483 years (even just using solar years, and not 360 day years) after that decree in Nehemiah 2 or Ezra 7 or any of the other two decrees, and realised it put an upper limit of the time frame by which the messiah had to come by, and therefore according to God they are without excuse for denying Jesus Christ as son of God savior. Christians should not be unequally yoked with their religion today, and the beast country in Revelation 13 that calls itself Israel but lies, and the mark of the beast is the hexagram.

Yarddog · 2025-12-08T19:25:53-0600

Oompa Loompa said:
The laws of armed combat

We are not at war with Venezuela or drug traffickers. The drugs, if any on the boats, are not headed to America, at least not directly.

Oompa Loompa said:
says that lethal force can be authorized against an enemy combatant once the enemy target has be confirmed and is not surrendering.

Surrender has not been offered to any of the boats.

Oompa Loompa said:
Nothing more. Just another reminder, we are not talking about criminals, we are talking about designated terrorists

6 Mexican cartels and 2 transnational cartels have been designated terrorists by Trump but drug traffickers have not, nor has Congress designated the cartels as foreign terrorists. This leaves the legality of using deadly force against the vessels leaving Venezuela in serious doubt.

Oompa Loompa said:
and combatants in the global war of terror. No different than ISIS.

The Cartels are not designated combatants under the global war on terror.

stevevw · 2025-12-08T19:21:45-0600

BCP1928 said:
Scientists already have "admitted" this, In fact they insist on in in the face of Christian lies to the contrary.

Then some have forgotten when they use this to beat down Christian beliefs and God with that very science lol.

Whenever someone demands evidence or otherwise a Christian is deluded and a fool. They are using material science as a belief and not science. You only have to look at threads like this and you will see it everywhere.

Fervent atheists and other materialists saving the deluded Christians with preaching naturalistic beliefs of how there was no need for God lol. Almost like a religion itself.

Basil the Great · 2025-12-08T19:21:44-0600

johnnypapa said:
Amazing. There's a saying, no Mary, no Jesus; know Mary, know Jesus. Could conversion be a possibility? I think Charlie Kirk was on the same path.

Well, First Lady Melania Trump is reported to be a practicing Catholic, so in that sense I suppose a conversion by the President would have some logic behind it. Having said that, I will leave it up to others here to speculate how likely it might be for President Trump to convert.

ThatRobGuy · 2025-12-08T19:20:05-0600

rjs330 said:
Because we are seeing rhe Islamists in action actually doing it. Christian nationalists are few and far between. And fewer still those called for the death of gays.

Whereas there are millions of Islamists who want to and have ruled in many countries. And they are flooding other western countries now doing the same.

Sam Harris (an atheist influencer) said it best regarding the myth of equivalency.

"No world leader lays awake at night worrying about the Amish"

He's also said that the secular world's insistence on keeping up a perception of "even-handedness" is an Achilles heel.

Do I have problems with some of the things fundamentalist Christians want? Yes
Do I see major flaws within Hinduism and Sikhism and the way the caste system is used? Yeah
Do I have some serious issues with Hasidism and the way it prescribes geopolitical influence as a tool to make everyone else "Goy" that are meant to merely be "tools" to further their own "walk with God"? Obviously

But the Islamic world is something very different, and is head and shoulders above the others in terms of propensity for force and violence.

It's the reason why the proclaimed "4 horsemen of reason" (Dawkins, Dennett, Harris, Hitchens) -- all borderline militant atheists and devout secularists, were especially critical of Islam over all of the other religions when it came to the topic of theocracy.

Delvianna · 2025-12-08T19:17:06-0600

BobRyan said:
Using strict rules, identify the largest Trinitarian Christian denominations that (1) claim Scripture is sufficient to test all doctrine, (2) possess a single global administrative authority, (3) maintain one unified set of binding official doctrines for all members, and (4) contain no doctrtinally autonomous subgroups within their membership

Resulted in this just now

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AI said

The largest Trinitarian Christian denomination that meets all four of the specified strict criteria (as refined in the previous interaction regarding doctrinal autonomy) is the
Seventh-day Adventist (SDA) Church.

Here is how the SDA Church meets each of the refined strict rules:

1. Claim Scripture is sufficient to test all doctrine: The SDA Church officially states that the Bible is the supreme standard and the sole foundation of its beliefs.

2. Possess a single global administrative authority: The Church operates under a hierarchical structure with the General Conference serving as the highest global administrative authority, ensuring worldwide coordination and governance.

3. Maintain one unified set of binding official doctrines for all members: The 28 Fundamental Beliefs constitute a globally binding set of official doctrines for all members, approved by the General Conference in session.

4. Contain no doctrinally autonomous subgroups within their membership: The denomination's policies ensure doctrinal unity; rejecting the fundamental beliefs is grounds for disfellowship, meaning any groups with differing doctrines are outside the official membership of the denomination.

While other large global denominations exist (such as the Roman Catholic Church), they fail at least one of these criteria, primarily the first (regarding the sufficiency of Scripture alone) or the fourth (due to varying internal practices or historical schisms not related to formal disfellowship rules).

It's still biased. You might not be getting Catholic Church, but I have twice. Which means, whatever answers you're getting isn't proof of anything.

com7fy8 · 2025-12-08T19:11:32-0600

prodromos said:
God's place to judge

"For the Father judges no one, but has committed all judgment to the Son, that all should honor the Son just as they honor the Father." (in John 5:22-23)

Included in how Jesus judges could be what He says in Luke 9:55-56 > after James and John asked Him if He wanted them to call down fire upon people who had rejected Jesus >

"But He turned and rebuked them, and said, 'You do not know what manner of spirit you are of. For the Son of Man did not come to destroy men's lives but to save them.'" (in Luke 9:55-56)

And our Apostle Paul says what to do "first of all" >

"Therefore I exhort first of all that supplications, prayers, intercessions, and giving of thanks be made for all men," (1 Timothy 2:1)

Akita Suggagaki · 2025-12-08T19:03:12-0600

I am fatigued by politics. I try to ignore them but they are ubiquitous and touch my life daily.

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