Strong in Him said:

We've been in "end times" since the ascension; the apostles were sure that Jesus would return in their lifetime.
I would imagine every generation has believed the are in end times - either because there are so many wars that it seems likely, or because maybe they just want to be the ones to see his return.

I don't believe "the great frying" even exists.

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Revelation 16:8

Honestly, we are extremely lucky as a planet, to make it this far without solar storms messin' us up. I am extremely surprised that we are at this point of technical advancement without Sun burning us. I mean if we trust science on this Earth age , and if we trust in 11 years of Sun reversing poles cycle ... Than yeah , we are extremely lucky as a species and planet. ^^

Jermayn said:

Unless it's eating at you...

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It is. I didn't get angry, I'm not angry now, but I feel insulted and indignant.

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...and you're planning on telling him something along the lines of "I want to clear up any perception that I'm trying to gain access to your, or anyone else's, children.

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Problem is, I don't feel it's my responsibility to clear up his baseless perception, if he has one, because I feel I did nothing to create that kind of perception.

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I completely understand and respect the boundaries you set, and I want to apologize if I ever made you or anyone in your family feel uncomfortable".

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Of course I will respect his boundaries, but I'm not going to apologize for asking to watch a sporting event open to the general public.

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Almost anything else you say besides that is going to send up red flags that you are, or are becoming, obsessed with your priest and/or his family.

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Perhaps, but I want to defend myself to him, and to understand why he said what he said.

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That being said, how would you feel if your relationship with you priest never progressed beyond what it is currently? What do you hope to get from this planned conversation?

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I want to understand what he was thinking when he said what he said.

Jermayn said:

Pretend you have a big red "Easy Button" that you could press, and your relationship instantly became ideal to whatever you have in mind. What would that look like to you?

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That he can give me an explanation which excludes the idea that he thinks I'm some kind of creep.

I suppose I would be in the camp that doesn't believe the Bible is 100% accurate but rather 99% accurate. There are spurious verses and a few scribal errors that have made their way into the text but it doesn't impact my belief on it being the word of God. I think the writer of the article would have done better to explain if accuracy is meant by scribal errors and spurious verses or if people truly do not trust it as the word and inspiration of God.


Overall it's really nice to see that the younger generation and especially the men leading the way in spiritual renewal. A shame about the women, though. I would venture to say that's because they're going to university and droves and depending on the university they are being taught anti-Christian ideologies.

Apple Sky said:

The sun is not 93 million miles away, why do they lie ?

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How far away do you think it is?
Why would anyone lie?

Dan1988 said:

Your welcome to place your trust in sinful men, but I only trust in the Lord Jesus, because Gods Word warns us about your heroes. It says, "cursed is the man who trusts man".

Anytime someone, ignores what God has said, and appeals to sinners for instruction, it throws up big red flags.

The early Church was plagued by heretical teaching and Gnosticism. Why would you look back to them when we new have 2000 years of refinement and perfection. It's like going back to rubbing two sticks together to start a fire after matches were invented.

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Your theology is a 500 year old tradition of men. And you don’t know and apparently don’t even wish to know the 2000 year old tradition of God.

HIM said:

No it is what is written. 3 questions were asked in verse 3, when shall these things be in regard to the destruction of the Temple. When shall be the sign of Jesus' coming and when shall be the end of the world. What follows is an answer to all three. The audience is any and all throughout the ages until He comes in His glory. How do we know?

Because Grammatically speaking the context is continuous from verse 1 to at least 31 when it speaks of Christ coming with His angels to gather the elect at the end of this world.

How do we know? By His use of words like and, but, then, when wherefore, and so forth. These words connect what is about to be said to what is already said. And they are in the Greek also. So that means up to Christ's coming in the clouds of glory with His angels he expects His followers to still be keeping the Sabbath.


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Hentenza said:

You are stuck in English grammar. Everything reads continuous because it is based on the original writings.The original writing did not contain chapter numbers or even verse numbers. It was written as a scroll. Chapter numbers and verse numbers were added later. lets look at the verses.

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HIM said:

It reads the same in the Greek. You might not want to go down this road my friend. The Greek is what led me to share this.

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Hentenza said:

And yet, your Greek did not prompt you to address my post. Every one has an interlinear these days.

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HIM said:

You might want to look at it then.

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Hentenza said:

So make your case.

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The case was made in the post above that said, "it reads the same in the Greek".
It is your job to prove it doesn't. You yet to do that. You seem to think any answer is the correct one. The lack of depth and unwillingness to put the time in to actually address anything seems to be the norm here.
Sadly, in this case if you had put the time in to look you would have seen what was posted was true and you would have either liked the post or moved on silently in intellectual dishonesty holding onto the false interpretation that you started with.

Be that as it may, you asked so here is the an Interlinear. We went ahead and put a bold emphasis on the words to which you question in respect to whether they were in the Greek. Beside each word is it's translation, it being a Interlinear. If you like we can talk of the grammar and syntax. But it really isn't necessary.

One can clearly see the context is uninterrupted.
Because Grammatically speaking the context is continuous from verse 1 to at least 31 when it speaks of Christ coming with His angels to gather the elect at the end of this world.

How do we know? By His use of words like and, but, then, when wherefore, and so forth. These words connect what is about to be said to what is already said as was already stated to you above. And yes they are in the Greek and are for the most part translated correctly in most of our English translations.

So that means up to Christ's coming in the clouds of glory with His angels Jesus expected His followers to still be keeping the Sabbath. Because no one to whom He was speaking to is alive today to be alive at the time of the tribulation that is not like any before. This tribulation has not happened yet. How do we know?

Because Jesus said Immediately after this tribulation that is shortened so the Elect are preserved, the sun shall be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other. (vs.29-31)

Matt 24:2 ὁ δὲ But Ἰησοῦς Jesus εἶπεν Said αὐτοῖς To Them, Οὐ βλέπετε See Ye Not πάντα All ταῦτα These Things? ἀμὴν Verily λέγω I Say ὑμῖν To You, οὐ μὴ Not At All ἀφεθῇ Shall Be Left ὧδε Here λίθος Stone ἐπὶ Upon λίθον Stone ὃς οὐ μὴ Which καταλυθήσεται Shall Not Be Thrown Down.
Matt 24:3 Καθημένου δὲ And As Was Sitting αὐτοῦ He ἐπὶ Upon τοῦ The Ὄρους Mount τῶν Ἐλαιῶν Of Olives προσῆλθον Came To αὐτῷ Him οἱ The μαθηταὶ κατ' Disciples ἰδίαν Apart, λέγοντες Saying, Εἰπὲ Tell ἡμῖν Us, πότε When ταῦτα These Things ἔσται Shall Be? καὶ And τί What 'Is' τὸ The σημεῖον Sign τῆς σῆς Of Thy παρουσίας Coming καὶ And τῆς Of The συντελείας Completion τοῦ Of The αἰῶνος Age?
Matt 24:4 καὶ And ἀποκριθεὶς Answering ὁ Ἰησοῦς Jesus εἶπεν Said αὐτοῖς To Them, Βλέπετε Take Heed, μή Lest τις Any One ὑμᾶς You πλανήσῃ· Mislead.
Matt 24:5 πολλοὶ γὰρ For Many ἐλεύσονται Will Come ἐπὶ In τῷ ὀνόματί μου My Name, λέγοντες, Saying, Ἐγώ I εἰμι Am ὁ The Χριστός, Christ; καὶ And πολλοὺς Many πλανήσουσιν They Will Mislead.
Matt 24:6 μελλήσετε δὲ But Ye Shall Be About ἀκούειν To Hear Of πολέμους Wars καὶ And ἀκοὰς Rumours πολέμων· Of Wars. ὁρᾶτε μὴ See, θροεῖσθε· Be Not Disturbed; δεῖ γὰρ For It Is Necessary All 'These' πάντα Things γενέσθαι To Take Place, ἀλλ' But οὔπω Not Yet ἐστὶν Is τὸ The τέλος End.
Matt 24:7 ἐγερθήσεται γὰρ For Shall Rise Up ἔθνος Nation ἐπὶ Against ἔθνος Nation καὶ And βασιλεία Kingdom ἐπὶ Against βασιλείαν Kingdom; καὶ And ἔσονται There Shall Be λιμοὶ Famines καὶ And λοιμοί Pestilences καὶ And σεισμοὶ Earthquakes κατὰ In 'Different' τόπους· Places.
Matt 24:8 πάντα δὲ But All ταῦτα These 'Are' ἀρχὴ A Beginning ὠδίνων Of Throes.
Matt 24:9 τότε Then παραδώσουσιν Will They Deliver Up ὑμᾶς You εἰς To θλῖψιν Tribulation, καὶ And ἀποκτενοῦσιν Will Kill ὑμᾶς You; καὶ And ἔσεσθε Ye Will Be μισούμενοι Hated ὑπὸ By πάντων All τῶν The ἐθνῶν Nations διὰ On Account Of τὸ ὄνομά μου My Name.
Matt 24:10 καὶ And τότε Then σκανδαλισθήσονται Will Be Offended πολλοὶ Many, καὶ And ἀλλήλους One Another παραδώσουσιν They Will Deliver Up καὶ And μισήσουσιν Will Hate ἀλλήλους· One Another;
Matt 24:11 καὶ And πολλοὶ Many ψευδοπροφῆται False Prophets ἐγερθήσονται Will Arise, καὶ And πλανήσουσιν Will Mislead πολλούς· Many;
Matt 24:12 καὶ And διὰ Because τὸ πληθυνθῆναι Shall Have Been Multiplied τὴν ἀνομίαν Lawlessness, ψυγήσεται Will Grow Cold ἡ The ἀγάπη Love τῶν Of The πολλῶν Many;
Matt 24:13 ὁ δὲ But He Who ὑπομείνας Endures εἰς To 'The' τέλος End οὗτος He σωθήσεται Shall Be Saved.
Matt 24:14 καὶ And κηρυχθήσεται There Shall Be Proclaimed τοῦτο These τὸ εὐαγγέλιον Glad Tidings τῆς Of The βασιλείας Kingdom ἐν In ὅλῃ All τῇ The οἰκουμένῃ Habitable Earth, εἰς For μαρτύριον A Testimony πᾶσιν To All τοῖς The ἔθνεσιν Nations; καὶ And τότε Then ἥξει Shall Come τὸ The τέλος End.
Matt 24:15 Ὅταν When οὖν Therefore ἴδητε Ye Shall See τὸ The βδέλυγμα Abomination τῆς ἐρημώσεως Of Desolation, τὸ Which ῥηθὲν Was Spoken Of διὰ By Δανιὴλ Daniel τοῦ The προφήτου Prophet, ἑστὸς Standing ἐν In 'The' τόπῳ Place ἁγίῳ Holy ὁ he Who ἀναγινώσκων Reads νοείτω Let Him Understand,
Matt 24:16 τότε Then οἱ Those ἐν In τῇ Ἰουδαίᾳ Judea φευγέτωσαν Let Them Flee ἐπί To τὰ The ὄρη Mountains;
Matt 24:17 ὁ He ἐπὶ On τοῦ The δώματος μὴ Housetop καταβαινέτω Let Him Not Come Down ἆραι To Take τι Anything ἐκ Out Of τῆς οἰκίας αὐτοῦ His
House;
Matt 24:18 καὶ And ὁ He ἐν In τῷ The ἀγρῷ μὴ Field ἐπιστρεψάτω Let Him Not Return ὀπίσω Back ἆραι To Take τὰ ἱμάτια Garments αὐτοῦ His.
Matt 24:19 οὐαὶ δὲ But Woe ταῖς ἐν To Those That γαστρὶ ἐχούσαις Are With Child καὶ And ταῖς To Those That θηλαζούσαις Give Suck ἐν In ἐκείναις Those ταῖς ἡμέραις Days.
Matt 24:20 προσεύχεσθε δὲ And (But) Pray ἵνα μὴ That γένηται May Not Be ἡ φυγὴ ὑμῶν Your Flight χειμῶνος In Winter, μηδὲ Nor ἐν On σαββάτῳ Sabbath :
Matt 24:21 ἔσται γὰρ For There Shall Be τότε Then θλῖψις Tribulation μεγάλη Great οἵα Such As οὐ Not γέγονεν Has Been ἀπ' From 'The' ἀρχῆς Beginning κόσμου Of 'The' World ἕως Until τοῦ νῦν Now, οὐδ No, οὐ μὴ Nor Ever γένηται Shall Be;
Matt 24:22 καὶ And εἰ μὴ Unless ἐκολοβώθησαν Had Been Shortened αἱ ἡμέραι ἐκεῖναι Those Days, οὐκ ἂν Not ἐσώθη There Would Have Been Saved πᾶσα Any σάρξ· Flesh, διὰ δὲ But On Account Of τοὺς The ἐκλεκτοὺς Elect κολοβωθήσονται Shall Be Shortened αἱ ἡμέραι ἐκεῖναι Those Days.
Matt 24:23 τότε Then ἐάν If τις Anyone ὑμῖν To You εἴπῃ Say, Ἰδού, Behold, ὧδε Here 'Is' ὁ The Χριστός, Christ, ἤ, Or Ὧδε, μὴ Here, πιστεύσητε· Believe 'It' Not.
Matt 24:24 ἐγερθήσονται There Will Arise γὰρ For ψευδόχριστοι False Christs καὶ And ψευδοπροφῆται False Prophets, καὶ And δώσουσιν Will Give σημεῖα Signs μεγάλα Great καὶ And τέρατα Wonders, ὥστε So As πλανῆσαι, To Mislead, εἰ If δυνατόν, Possible, καὶ Even τοὺς The ἐκλεκτούς· Elect.
Matt 24:25 ἰδού, Lo, προείρηκα I Have Foretold 'It' ὑμῖν To You.
Matt 24:26 ἐὰν If οὖν Therefore εἴπωσιν They Say ὑμῖν To You, Ἰδού, Behold, ἐν In τῇ The ἐρήμῳ Wilderness ἐστίν, μὴ He Is, ἐξέλθητε· Go Not Forth : Ἰδού, Behold, 'He Is' ἐν In τοῖς The ταμείοις μὴ Chambers, πιστεύσητε· Believe 'It' Not.
Matt 24:27 ὥσπερ γὰρ For As ἡ The ἀστραπὴ Lightning ἐξέρχεται Comes Forth ἀπὸ From 'The' ἀνατολῶν East καὶ And φαίνεται Appears ἕως As Far As 'The' δυσμῶν West, οὕτως So ἔσται Shall Be καὶ Also ἡ The παρουσία Coming τοῦ Of The υἱοῦ Son τοῦ ἀνθρώπου· Of Man.
Matt 24:28 ὅπου γὰρ ἐὰν For Wherever ᾖ May Be τὸ The πτῶμα Carcase, ἐκεῖ There συναχθήσονται Will Be Gathered Together οἱ The ἀετοί Eagles.
Matt 24:29 Εὐθέως Immediately δὲ But μετὰ After τὴν The θλῖψιν Tribulation τῶν ἡμερῶν ἐκείνων Of Those Days ὁ The ἥλιος Sun σκοτισθήσεται Shall Be Darkened, καὶ And ἡ The σελήνη Moon οὐ δώσει Shall Not Give τὸ φέγγος αὐτῆς Her Light, καὶ And οἱ The ἀστέρες Stars πεσοῦνται Shall Fall ἀπὸ From τοῦ The οὐρανοῦ Heaven, καὶ And αἱ The δυνάμεις Powers τῶν Of The οὐρανῶν Heavens σαλευθήσονται Shall Be Shaken.
Matt 24:30 καὶ And τότε Then φανήσεται Shall Appear τὸ The σημεῖον Sign τοῦ Of The υἱοῦ Son τοῦ ἀνθρώπου Of Man ἐν In τῷ The οὐρανῷ Heaven; καὶ And τότε Then κόψονται Shall Wail πᾶσαι All αἱ The φυλαὶ Tribes τῆς Of The γῆς Land, καὶ And ὄψονται They Shall See τὸν The υἱὸν Son τοῦ ἀνθρώπου Of Man, ἐρχόμενον Coming ἐπὶ On τῶν The νεφελῶν Clouds τοῦ οὐρανοῦ Of Heaven μετὰ With δυνάμεως Power καὶ And δόξης Glory πολλῆς· Great.
Matt 24:31 καὶ And ἀποστελεῖ He Shall Send τοὺς ἀγγέλους Angels αὐτοῦ His μετὰ With σάλπιγγος Of A Trumpet φωνῆς Sound μεγάλης Great, καὶ And ἐπισυνάξουσιν They Shall Gather Together τοὺς ἐκλεκτοὺς αὐτοῦ His Elect ἐκ From τῶν The τεσσάρων Four ἀνέμων Winds, ἀπ' From 'The' ἄκρων Extremities οὐρανῶν Of 'The' Heavens ἕως To 'The' ἄκρων Extremities αὐτῶν Of Them.

Hentenza said:

lol Posting the verses in Greek, which anyone can do, does not in any way change what I wrote, and you ignored, in my post 502. What are your credentials as a Greek scholar?

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Your post was not ignored. As seen above, you said,

Hentenza said:

You are stuck in English grammar. Everything reads continuous because it is based on the original writings. The original writing did not contain chapter numbers or even verse numbers. It was written as a scroll. Chapter numbers and verse numbers were added later. lets look at the verses.

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So with that, you were shown that the Greek confirms what was shared to you in respect to the grammar and syntax relaying that the context shares that Jesus expected His followers to still be keeping the Sabbath up to His coming in the clouds with His Angels to Gather the Elect. This fact alone answers and discredits anything else you think.

As a side note, are you actually reading and understanding what is posted to you.?

They believed and were appointed to life eternal.

Strong in Him said:

I hadn't heard that phrase before; thank you for telling me.

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I legitimately thought it was a particular American Christian thing. I mean it might be, but I only found out about it from The Simpsons.

Hentenza said:

The Canadian tourist that she killed was not the enemy. Your comparison of a person that killed an innocent person and a soldier is quite troubling. With that kind of defense of violent crime it is no wonder that the left is so messed up.

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My point is that if a person can’t ever be rehabilitated and trusted after killing, then the reason behind the killing is is irrelevant. Damage is done either way.

The statement above is not my belief, but the best I can decipher from others posting here. She did her time and gained the voter’s trust. If you are not in that city, I’m not sure why all this matters anyway.

9Rock9 said:

Ah. That's pretty much what I think.

Inspiring Philosophy thinks Adam and Eve were basically priests, and the Eden was the holiest of holies. Thus, Adam had a special connection to God that the rest of humanity didn't have.

This, in a way, parallel Jesus, as he is referred to as the New Adam, is the representative of humanity, and is also a high priest.

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Soyeong said:

Joseph knew that it was a sin to commit adultery in Genesis 39:9, which is one of the Ten Commandments, so your claim is demonstrably false.

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HARK! said:

That is one of my favorite examples of where we see Yah's eternal Torah being observed before Moses.

There are many such examples.

In the beginning was the word.

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Since the beginning of time,
Rom 1:17 For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.
Rom 1:18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;
Rom 1:19 Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed [it] unto them.
Rom 1:20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, [even] his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:


Rom 2:11 For there is no respect of persons with God.
Rom 2:12 For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law;
Rom 2:13 (For not the hearers of the law [are] just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.
Rom 2:14 For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves:
Rom 2:15 Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and [their] thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another.

Dikaioumenoi said:

I didn't answer because it's not relevant. My credentials neither validate nor invalidate the argument. You can verify or refute any grammatical claim I've made by consulting any Greek grammar. Or pick a claim you question and I'll substantiate with references.

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It is relevant, because it takes time to look up the correct Greek of each of your claim. It is simply not worth the time if you got no training.

Dikaioumenoi said:

Διαβάζω την Κοινή Ελληνική άπταιστα, και τα καταφέρνω αρκετά καλά και στα Νέα Ελληνικά. Διαβάζω την Κοινή εδώ και δεκαπέντε χρόνια. I studied Greek formally at university and seminary beginning 20 years ago, tutor students, and have translated and diagrammed most of the New Testament.

Now, if you have a substantive objection to something I actually argued, let's hear it.

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Dikaioumenoi said:

The word ἑλκύω explains decisive movement. Any failure of the act would be on the part of the subject's weakness, not the object's resistance.

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The underlined is incorrect! Please substantiate with references.

Landon Caeli said:

Jesus teaches us humility.

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He also teaches us to treat the poor as we would treat him.

Nithavela said:

You are supposed to get that anything that doesn't wipe out all of humanity is no problem at all and does not need adressing.

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Maybe I am a simpleton that needs everything clearly spelled out.
Or
I think that @Landon Caeli is a conservative and conservatives are known for strongly believing in personal responsibility. Of course, if Landon Caeli finds it acceptable that 6 of the 8 billion people die, he will have no problem to take personal responsibility for it and stating so.
But above all, dear @Nithavela , let us not put words in other people's mouth. Let us not speculate. I am quite confident that Landon Caeli has been thinking this thoroughly trough and will astonish us with his insights.

JosephZ said:

Many Christian missionaries that come from the first world have a reputation of insulting the religion, faith, culture, and ways of life of non-Christians living in the developing world. This is one reason many people groups dislike Christians. In the villages we work in, missionaries have been known to mock the people's cultural practices, call their god a product of satan or a moon god, and tell them they have to give up their traditions in order to be saved. I have personally witnessed this, and worse.

Before any Christian goes into a village that is foreign to them to evangelize, they need to first take at least a year to study the religious beliefs, language, and culture of the people. They also need to spend time in the village and immerse themselves in the culture and participate in the daily lives of the people for a while before sharing the Gospel. Chances are the people that are going to be evangelized have already heard the gospel at least once, so a missionary who takes the time that is necessary to form a meaningful relationship with them shows that they truly love them and care about them. Going into a village and sharing Christ's love through action will go a lot farther in leading people towards Christ than rushing into a village spouting out a bunch of scripture and pointing out the people's errors without knowing much, if anything, about them and their culture beforehand.

I've shared the following on this forum in the past, but I think it is relevant to this thread.

Sharing the gospel is about planting, watering, and faith. When it comes to us sharing the Gospel, our job is to plant and water seeds. It's God who makes things grow.

"What then is Apollos? And what is Paul? Servants through whom you believed, even as the Lord gave opportunity to each one. I planted, Apollos watered, but God was causing the growth. So then neither the one who plants nor the one who waters is anything, but God who causes the growth. Now he who plants and he who waters are one; but each will receive his own reward according to his own labor. For we are God’s fellow workers; you are God’s field, God’s building." (1 Corinthians 3:5-9)

It's the Holy Spirit that's doing the work of reaching the unbeliever, not us. We are simply the ones who share the gospel. In many cases the results may seem disappointing, but we should not be discouraged. God has not called us to convert people but to share the gospel. No one expects a seed to produce a harvest the same day that seed is planted, so in the same way, we should not expect to see immediate fruit from our evangelizing.

We can only do our part, which is to share the gospel and love the people as Christ loves us. We have no idea what God is doing in the lives of all the people we encounter and/or share the gospel with, and we may never know. Someone we share the gospel with today may or may not come to Christ, but they may share what we have told them about Jesus with someone else in the future, at which time the Holy Spirit convicts that person; a person we have never encountered or may never meet.

In addition to sharing the gospel, we need to also remember as personal witnesses to Jesus Christ and the gospel, living our lives in a Christlike manner and treating others with a Christ-like attitude is of utmost importance. The simple acts of showing kindness, love, and compassion towards those who are lost may be all it takes to eventually lead them to the Truth. Living by example is at the foundation and perhaps one of the most crucial components of our personal witness to Christ to others. Most everyone in the unbelieving world has heard about Jesus, some many times over, but they may not have seen Him in action even once.

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Hi Brother, Thank you.

I checked your wall, and I knew you write through the context of Asia. Yes, our culture and context is similar to what you said.

First of all, I see you are living at Philippians, the Fung Wong Typphoon is badly hitting right now? Are you safe? Our prayer is to the safety of people there.

To get back to the topic, I totally agree to what you said. Sharing the gospel to the first take or the first hearers are the best to share about Christ. While I was in Bible school back to many years ago, as practical class for requirements we used to share about Christ every Saturday. When we asked them "If they ever heard about Jesus?" They replied, "We never heard the person name, Jesus, if a thing or person or male or female?". Sharing about Christ to these people, challenge about life, witnessing, showing kindness is the great achievement we ever had sometimes. They willingly wanted to hear us. They expect the next visit.

Sometimes when we were sent to the wolves as a sheep, we have to be be as shrewd as snakes and as innocent as doves (Matt. 10:16). But sometimes the past missionaries did the wrong witnessing like they did as they wished and left with a bad reputation. Buddhist believers had idols or kind of worshipping at home. A missionary the past rented their home, and throwed their gods, as they considered their sacred god, at the street to bin. When they found out, they had some problems then chased him out of the village. A second time, a lady came to the village some years later. She act wisely, and taught their kids as preshool students, showed them kindness. Later, as she was also in a rent, she has some problem with the landlord, then had a mean to leave.

This village is another way that they don't like Christian that they did every kind of indirect way. Giving something with showing kindness is also considered that we persuaded them to become Christian. This is the biggest mistake that they did the past.

When I situated this village, they considered me as I would do the same. But to this day, I never give anyone but I tried to involved with community work like we are poor village, I helped them repaired the road, or help need of school tables or some other works. They acted weird before but when I slowly did some community works, they talked me or greet me.

As our country is in a bad situation, if they report in a bad way about me to destroy me, then military easily come to arrest or torture me. This is happening everywhere. So I am very carefully to take any step further. As far as the situation concerns, I need to show some kindness, like involving some help for the community, not to individual but a whole so that they knew our care, love and act of Christ. This required physical needs, but challenging my condition. I knew the Lord would do some transformation one day.

I would like to ask to pray for us. God bless you.

Part of the first phase of Trump's peace plan for Gaza has been completed. All living hostages are now back in Israel; some bodies of hostages have also been returned, and some 2,000 "Palestinian" terrorists in Israeli prisons, including hundreds of convicted murderers, have been released to Gaza, Judea and Samaria. The war is far from over, but many inside and outside Israel believe otherwise. This is a terrible plan, especially since it invites Qatar and Turkey directly into Gaza, strengthening their evil influence. Saudi Arabia and moderate Arab nations are already pulling back because of this. Only by G-d's grace will Israel not have to pay an even higher price than if it had continued fighting until Hamas was completely destroyed.

7thKeeper said:

Well yes, I can understand if that is your reaction.

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So was that post of yours resembling yours?

7thKeeper said:

But come on, your post was just a screenshot from Reddit with a bunch of conspiracy nonsense and lies in it.

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It’s not nonsense, everyone sees what the Democrats are doing, even the democrat voters know.

CoreyD said:

David was not asking God for a physical heart.
Nor was God going to create a physical heart for David.

If your argument is that creating does not have to be material, then I don't get your point on how that matters to a discussion on Genesis 1.
Perhaps you had better make your point clear, because you were talking about earth, and it is a physical object.


So God creates two things - a physical and a spiritual.
What is your point?
There are two different thing. Not one and the same.


Moving water is not creating water.
If you want to say God created seas, then sure, but that's not creating the water that makes up the seas.


Yes, creating something out of something that already exists.... like creating matter out of energy is what God does, and we as well. Like creating a statue from clay.
What does that have to do with shaping an already existing earth?


Okay.
What does that have to do with Genesis and the physical earth?


I'm totally lost as to what point you are trying to make.
Was the earth in existence when God's spirit was moving on the waters?
Can you answer yes or no, please, so that I have something to go on. Thanks.


Ah. Now we're talking.... Absolutely not.
Why would you say that God created Adam and Eve, and yet Adam and Eve materially already existed?
Where exactly in scripture can one find that?


Source please.


Source please.


I'll wait for your sources, since claims don't mean much to me.

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And Ive already responded to this too.

Again, no physical matter came into existence when David requested that God created a clean heart in him. David already had a heart.

When God "bara" or creates, it's not about physical matter coming into existence. So that shouldn't be the default assumption about Genesis 1:1. That's the point.

Moving water is creation. Because that is in fact what God does during the 6 days of creation.

Genesis 1:6-10 ESV
[6] And God said, “Let there be an expanse in the midst of the waters, and let it separate the waters from the waters.” [7] And God made the expanse and separated the waters that were under the expanse from the waters that were above the expanse. And it was so. [8] And God called the expanse Heaven. And there was evening and there was morning, the second day.

[9] And God said, “Let the waters under the heavens be gathered together into one place, and let the dry land appear.” And it was so. [10] God called the dry land Earth, and the waters that were gathered together he called Seas. And God saw that it was good.

This is God creating. No one should argue that God isn't actually creating anything here. He is creating the heavens and the earth. That's what the 6 days of Genesis are about.

"Was the earth in existence when God's spirit was moving on the waters?"

Genesis 1:1-2 NRSVUE
[1] When God began to create the heavens and the earth, [2] the earth was complete chaos, and darkness covered the face of the deep, while a wind from God swept over the face of the waters.

It doesn't say that the earth didn't exist yet. It says that the earth was formless or in a chaotic state, while a wind from God swept over the waters. It was already there.

ABUJA, Nigeria — Fulani herdsmen on Thursday killed two Christians in Nigeria’s Nasarawa state and two others in Plateau state following the slaughter of 11 Christians in the latter earlier in the week, sources said.

In Nasarawa state’s predominantly Christian Sarkin Noma village, Keana County, herdsman invaded at about 11 p.m. while residents were sleeping in their homes, killed two Christians and abducted another, said area resident Dooshima Tse.

Musa Adamu, another resident, confirmed the killings and kidnapping.

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Psalm 54:6 , Leviticus 22:21, Exodus 35:29

Acts 17:21-32
"in times past God overlooked their ignorance, but now commands all men everywhere to repent, because he has appointed a day in the which He will judge the world in righteousness by that man whom He has appointed and has given assurance unto all mankind I that He rise Him from the dead."

Clare73 said:

That is the meaning of "co-" in Co-Redemptrix; i.e., equality in redeeming from condemnation,

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No, as has already been stated, it is not. For example, If people cooperate that does not mean those people are equal or have an equal share in doing so.

Guojing said:

So salvation, to you, requires faith and works.

Would that be the accurate conclusion?

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We are saved by grace through faith. Our faith is demonstrated by our works if our faith is genuine or not.


Eph 2:8 For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, 9 not of works, lest anyone should boast. 10 For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand that we should walk in them.
By faith we should do just that.

Its the faith part that saves, the act of obedience to God is a result of faith. Disobedience is rebellion and sin. Heb3:7-13 something God is trying to call us out from if we hear Him.

It will never be bad to obey God the way God asks, sadly this narrative has flipped, like its good to disobey God's laws and bad to obey them. That is not found in Scripture.

Jesus asks...
John 14:15 “If you love Me, keep My commandments.

Why not listening to Him, Jesus says this...


Luke 6:46 “But why do you call Me ‘Lord, Lord,’ and not do the things which I say? 47 Whoever comes to Me, and hears My sayings and does them, I will show you whom he is like: 48 He is like a man building a house, who dug deep and laid the foundation on the rock. And when the flood arose, the stream beat vehemently against that house, and could not shake it, for it was [j]founded on the rock. 49 But he who heard and did nothing is like a man who built a house on the earth without a foundation, against which the stream beat vehemently; and immediately it [k]fell. And the ruin of that house was great.”