What we know:

The Hennepin County Sheriff's Office says its deputies responded around 1:10 p.m. to calls for help from the Department of Homeland Security.

ICE agents said they were surrounded and being attacked in the area of 29th Street West and Pillsbury Avenue by "60 to 70 agitators."

When deputies arrived, they say they did not witness any attacks or agents needing medical assistance but saw the crowd was preventing agents from leaving. Deputies assisted with crowd control, allowing the agents to leave the area. No arrests were made during the incident and deputies say they did not use any pepper spray or tear gas to clear the crowd.

Mercy Shown said:

Why did Christ ignore so much social justice in his day? Why did Paul not oppose slavery or fight for women's rights.

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Because He wanted us to do it. Do you think abolition was wrong? Or civil/women's rights? Do you think He'd want us to sit on our thumbs and overlook genocide, starvation, etc? He had a singular job to do in a relatively short period of time: to bring the light into the world. It's up to us to reflect and radiate that light.
"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing,"

Jipsah said:

Oh, your position is understandable enough, it's just ridiculously wrong. The fire and worms are the means by which dead bodies are destroyed in Gehenna/Hell. They'll always be there waiting They're symbolic of death, not sinners with eternal life being Your ideas are typical of the sort of thing that comes from coming up with a doctrine first, and then trying to find a way to support it from c after the fact. You end up with "interpreting" Scripture into absurdity to try and get it to "support" a baseless belief. That'd have you've ended up wi the wholly unsupported idea that everyone ever created has eternal life, and end up having to "meanings" to Scripture that make no sense whatsoever.

"The soul that sinneth, it shall die". Real simple, "Die" means die, not some pseudo-thelogical gobbledygook made up to support some doctrinal codswallop that never had a Scriptural leg to stand on in the first place. The wages of sin is death, not eternal life in torment. Eternal Life is the gift of God, not a sentence to be kept alive to be barbecued forever. Your doctrine is rubbish. Not only that, it paints God as a pitiless and just monster.

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Oh well you're back. I wondered where you had gone.

Calling God a ‘pitiless monster’ or my position ‘rubbish’ doesn’t engage Scripture, it just insults. The reality is this: sin is ultimately against an infinitely holy God. That makes it infinitely serious (Psalm 51:4). Eternal punishment is not cruelty; it is the just consequence of rebellion against the Creator of all life.
The imagery of fire and worms in Scripture (Mark 9:48; Isaiah 66:24) communicates conscious, ongoing judgment. It is symbolic, yes, but it depicts the reality of the soul in a state of contempt and separation from God, not literal barbecuing or zoology. To suggest annihilation or that judgment is ‘instant death’ diminishes the gravity of sin and the holiness of God.
God’s justice and mercy are inseparable. Eternal punishment magnifies His mercy toward those He saves in Christ (Romans 3:23–26). To call that a ‘monster’ is to misunderstand both sin and the holiness of God.

Also, if possible, please tone your rhetoric down a little. I already know that you are upset but that does not need to come through in your writing. (Try to hold it in a little more)

Dave... said:

Hey Arb

It is Christ we are immersed into. That's why we call it "in Christ". It's a spiritual immersion that the Holy Spirit is the agent of (1 Corinthians 12:13).

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We are both right actually.

Co 12:13 For in one Spirit were we all immersed into one body, whether Jews or Greeks, whether bond or free; and were all made to drink of one Spirit.

Act 1:5 because John, indeed, immersed in water, but ye shall be immersed in the Holy Spirit, not many days hence."

We are immersed in The Holy Spirit as the text says, but that immersion is an immersion into Christ because that is where The Holy Spirit applies the blood of Jesus to our fallen human spirit and we are raised to newness of life. We belong to Jesus from that point on.

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The indwelling. I would make the distinction between the filling and the Spirit baptism as the Spirit baptism, or placing into is what makes us one with Jesus, placed into Him. As MacArthur once said, "The baptism of the Spirit grants the power that the filling with the Spirit unleashes.".

The baptism with the Holy Spirit is what places us in Christ, making us born again and justified. The filling comes after. Post #32 after "Today..."

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Don't quote macarthur to me. I'm a Assemblies of GOD Pentecostal, he spent most of his life writing books against us and badmouthing us.

He's also wrong.

Oompa Loompa said:

No. You wouldn't. Which is why you chose to post what you just posted, instead of sharing what you actually believe. So I will ask you directly. Do you agree with Ericka that she and her children have a right to erect a memorial to her husband and their children's father that is from desecration? Or do you believe that she and her children should spend their entire lives suffering from the perceived signs of their father/husband?

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The kids are innocent, it's the parents job to protect them. As far as I know, their kids are more protected. Than most kids. If she's going to continue to do whatever her husband did. Then she has to deal with what she complains about.

camille70 said:

People being told they can't have differing views may be why so many have left the party to begin with.

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Yes, I agree. Especially when it came to how millions of Latino men and especially Black men were told that they should not have differing views/supporting Trump, and should be voting for Kamala;

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Factotum said:

I agree. Especially if you are aware of the area this happened in. Black men are very subjugated there, from what I saw when I once spent 17 months there

I agree.
She should've called a mental health expert that responds to emergency, but hey... you know how us Whites can get sometimes after we help Blacks destroy their lives. LOL

I disagree. I think those White powerful Administrators should have fired him when the relationship allegedly became known in the Athletic Dept... before the season started.
But hey, Michigan still had hopes of making the FBS playoffs... no need to disturb that, eh?
And so, once the season was a failure... they needed to concoct a reason to get rid of him.

Yes, indeed!

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The next time someone breaks into your house be sure and call a mental health professional because they might not be thinking clearly

Vambram said:

What do you think about the facts showing the vast majority of Somalian immigrants in Minnesota are living off of government funds? Couple that with the billions of dollars of fraud by some Somalians in Minnesota and other states.

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I have not seen that yet. I'll try to get some time to look at the article more in depth. It would be useful in the future if you could identify which article it is in. Thanks in advance.

timothyu said:

At what age do children start rebelling at the will of God?

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Everyone is a unique case. My wife figures she was innocent till age 8, because she can remember developing a theory of mind around that time, which is supposedly impossible to remember.

As for myself well, i sinned in the womb and became affected by a generational curse of powerlessness.

ThatRobGuy said:

Has he advocated for anything as ridiculous as open borders, defunding police, males in women's sports, and drag performances for 8 year olds yet?

No?

Well, in that case, I would presume his supporters will do whatever kind of gymnastics are required to make sure your side doesn't win until Democrats drift back toward the middle in a way that at least somewhat resembles moderation on the social issues.

It's a real shame too... your team has quite a few economic proposals that are solid and are pretty popular with >75% of the US voters (including myself... I'm a fan of paid family leave, I think there are some good arguments for single-payer, etc... but as long as my choices are "bombastic narcissistic combover guy who trash talks more than a pro-wrestler" vs. "adults who know better, but still opt to take all of their marching orders from 22 year old philosophy majors with rainbow hair and septum piercings anyway"

...I'll continue to leave that part of the ballot blank and just vote for my local and state stuff.

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ThatRobGuy said:

Hence the reason I haven't ever voted for him...

But this expectation of "as long as Trump's worse, the moral thing to do is helping our side take power so we can do all of our crazy stuff" doesn't fly with me.

Apart from the fact that it lowers the bar in general, it's a bad incentive structure.

Because as long as you can make a case for why "the other teams worse, so you should just focus on that and only that", it allow the opposing team to cram through a bunch of nonsense in the name of "lesser of two evils".

I don't like that.

It rewards bad behavior. I'd prefer to see one of the parties actually be good, not just a little better than the other party.

It's basically saying "as long as you're not as bad as the worst guy, you can get on a moral high horse", which in a two-party system, isn't saying much.

If a person had two children.

Little Danny gets a bit of a smart mouth and refuses to put his toys away and gives a lot of back sass.
Little Reggie spits at them and kicks them in the nuggets when they won't buy him a toy.

Little Reggie is obviously worse, but telling Reggie "Why can't you be more like Danny at least he doesn't spit at me?" or telling Danny "I'll give you extra allowance because you behaved a little better than Reggie this past week" sets up a race to the bottom that I don't want to be complicit in.

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I see. So, to be clear, the things he does advocate are somehow not as bad as "open borders, defunding police, males in women's sports, and drag performances for 8 year olds"? Because it sure looks like you are singling out one side as having off the wall ideas and claiming their need to move towards the middle while saying of the other side "Well, ya, but I didn't vote for him". So my question is how does not voting move either side towards the middle? Just seems like absenteeism. You say "it rewards bad behavior" but not voting does that as well in a two party system. It just does so in a passive fashion.

Delvianna said:

I hope I'm posting in the right spot, if I'm not, my apologies and please move it to where it needs to be.

I want to talk about video games, table top games, etc and look at it from a place of Christian moral ethics. To give an example, I play the game Medieval Dynasty, which is mostly just building a city and managing it with all the resources. But due to it being close to Halloween, they've updated it to give the main towns halloween decorations. This isn't standard decorations... This looks purely pagan witchcraft to me.

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So when you run across instances like this, what do you do? I'm not required to engage with it. Like, there isn't quests or anything but how do you handle video games and following Christian ethical standards? (This is just an example as I mean this discussion to be more broad than just the example I'm showing).

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I don't engage. I didn't know about this. I haven't played medieval dynasty in a while. I like medieval dynasty. I have some hours sunk into the game.

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And THAT'S how a gentleman of opposing political persuasion reacts to someone's death, Mr. President.

There's lots of talk of asylum these days...

A good use of the asylum systems of various nations would be to offer it up to any resident of Hong Kong who wants to get out out from under the thumb of the CCP.

SuperCow said:

In a predetermined universe, I do not actually choose, because God created me in such a way so that I can only choose what is predetermined. And if I can only choose what is predetermined, how can you say that I am choosing?

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It occurs to me that, by this particular verbiage, you may have in mind direct causation, and not indirect: "...because God created me in such a way so that I can only choose what is predetermined." It is not merely a matter of what you can or cannot do. It is a matter of what you WILL do.

This is sort of like one of the accusations against Calvinism (and Reformed theology), that goes something like this: "If Salvation is automatic, then what is the use of obeying or even choosing Christ?" But it is not automatic. It is only SURE.

John 6: "37All that the Father gives Me will come to Me, and the one coming to Me, I shall not cast out. 38For I have come down from heaven, not that I should do My will, but the will of the One having sent Me.

39Now this is the will of the One having sent Me, that all that He has given Me, I should lose none of it, but will raise it up in the last day. 40For this is the will of My Father, that everyone beholding the Son and believing in Him should have eternal life, and I will raise him up in the last day.”...

... 44No one is able to come to Me unless the Father, the one having sent Me, draws him, and I will raise him up in the last day. 45It is written in the prophets: ‘And they will all be taught of God.' Everyone having heard from the Father and having learned, comes to Me.

(I don't claim to be Calvinist nor Reformed, though people keep mistaking me for it—it's just that most of what I believe, they do, too. I'm Calvinistic, I suppose you can say.)

probinson said:

I honestly can't believe that in 2025, we're STILL talking about masking. There simply is no evidence that masking is efficacious for stopping or slowing respiratory disease spread. Masks were nothing more than a talisman that accomplished little more than giving fearful people a false sense of security.

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Ten studies took place in the community, and two studies in healthcare workers. Compared with wearing no mask in the community studies only, wearing a mask may make little to no difference in how many people caught a flu-like illness/COVID-like illness (9 studies; 276,917 people); and probably makes little or no difference in how many people have flu/COVID confirmed by a laboratory test (6 studies; 13,919 people). Unwanted effects were rarely reported; discomfort was mentioned.​

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Four studies were in healthcare workers, and one small study was in the community. Compared with wearing medical or surgical masks, wearing N95/P2 respirators probably makes little to no difference in how many people have confirmed flu (5 studies; 8407 people); and may make little to no difference in how many people catch a flu-like illness (5 studies; 8407 people), or respiratory illness (3 studies; 7799 people). Unwanted effects were not well-reported; discomfort was mentioned.​

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The metanalysis in the Cochrane review that you are citing has a number of flaws. But... if you have conspiracy theorist caliper confirmation bias, none of that matters.

probinson said:

I don't think anyone talking about masking in the context of loving ones neighbor cares one whit about "data integrity".

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So cherry picking the studies that agree with your preconceived notions, and running with that.... is that the data integrity that I'm missing here?

Let's take the studies wholistically - even the ones which may have been poorly designed. There are a lot of studies (if I'm not mistaken) which say that high quality masks work to reduce transmission, and some that say they don't. Let's even be generous and call it a 50/50 split. A virus is circulating which results in death for some people - especially people with certainly preexisting conditions. Your position is that, even though the body of available evidence says that wearing a mask might prevent the spread of the virus to the vulnerable population, the prudent path for one who reveres God is to NOT wear the mask?

My question to you is - what exactly do you stand to lose by wearing the mask? Put aside the "righteous" protest against mask mandates... and forget they don't exist. Based solely on the basis of care for your neighbor, which is the more prudent choice, and why?

I was just thinking in my usual idle fashion that the politicians could use the actions of Ahmed al Ahmed, the hero who is a Moslem of Syrian origin, as an opener to rebuild relations with Syria.

I think the new Syrian government is serious about wanting to be accepted on the world stage, and to deal with the radical terrorists still within their country.

ChubbyCherub said:

I really appreciate your continued engagement.

I can't speak for everyone and can only speak for myself so what I'll say is I am not confident in anyone's translation, interpretation etc of the bible. The very fact that it has to be translated at all leaves many things too open. The only thing I can do is pray that God steps in wherever I'm being mislead by myself or others.

If Paul meant what he said to be generalized, I completely understand that but I still won't do it for the reasons I mentioned before. God will either help me with that or judge me for it, but I'm open to whatever His will is, either way.

Whilst I felt emotional from being verbally disrespected by my father, the ongoing issue with my parents and how to explain this all to my daughter according to Paul, I don't feel emotional or impassioned about this subject, one way or the other, because I'm not an emotional person. I'm usually compared to Spok from Star Trek by most people. I don't overthink it to know if it's an insult, neutral or a compliment to be viewed this way. Sometimes, things are just what they are!

Have a great day x

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Navigating life, enjoying or exercising healthy authority is a big challenge when our life journey is fraught with family or parental dysfunction. Parents make mistakes, sometimes terrible ones, and we add our own to theirs. But God is our Father - He is everything our earthly fathers or I myself as a father may lack sometimes. By taking in and basking in His character and love we heal ..

Be blessed .. !

RamiC said:

If a couple based in Cornwall want to escape from the British weather there are parts of Spain far easier to reach than Brisbane.

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They were Australians based in Brisbane, Australia, which they would have regarded as "home". They probably had family members there.

They were looking for a summer retreat from Brisbane's heat and humidity. They'd been to Cornwall before (if my memory serves me correctly), and liked the area.

In addition since Australia is an offshoot of British culture, they fitted in easily in Cornwall. The only problem would have been all the poms! (just kidding).

Dave... said:

Hey Mark.

That's just the history of it. That's where it came from.

The Media always portrays fundamentalism these days as being far right Christians. Apparently, less taxes, more personal responsibility, and smaller government, when taken to the extreme, is now considered terrorism, and called Christian fundamentalism. Kind of like a white guy with an opinion is called white supremacy. They can sure redefine words. That's Marxism.

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Yep, true that!

PARASHA: “VaYeshev” (and he settled) GENESIS 37:1-40:23


In this study, the focus is on Yosef, who is going to be in the limelight of God. Things seem to be going from bad to worse for this young teenager. It wasn't all his fault, we could say. His father, Jacob, held him high up on a pedestal, “Papa's favorite”. Whenever there is family favoritism among sons and daughters, there is bound to be trouble, especially from the other siblings who are the “less preferred.”

Papa Jacob makes him a "long-sleeved robe." This coat was a symbol of leadership; The Torah doesn’t specify that it was of “many colors,” only that this type of garment was one that had sleeves down to the wrists and that reached the ankles. This is like getting a kid a three-piece suit made of fine silk and then sending him out to the fields where his brothers are wearing overalls and straw hats.

This "coat" would be considered a "Royal Tunic" and must have had the colors of royalty, like blue, scarlet, red, etc... We could also say that this coat symbolized "Messiah the King" and Yosef, a "type of Messiah" who would, in God's perfect timing, save the local world of physical starvation. Now, the brothers are affected by this coat.

It will arouse jealousy. ( I mean, why doesn't Dad make coats for all of us?) These brothers are boiling mad, and to make matters worse, Yosef is given dreams by YHVH, and he doesn't keep them to himself; he shares them. He shares them not to be haughty, but just to let his family know what is happening, or rather, what is “going to happen” in the future. But I don't think that at that time, Yosef understood the meaning of the dreams. These dreams reflect Isaac's blessing on Joseph.

We understand that the dreams include sheaves of wheat that bow down before Yosef’s sheaves of wheat. How might one see this? Here’s an idea. Wheat is made into bread, and Yeshua is the “Bread of Life”. Yosef is a “type or symbol of Messiah.” He saves the known world from physical starvation, and Yeshua saved the whole world from spiritual starvation. Just like Yosef’s brothers bowed down to him in honor, the whole world will “bow down” to Yeshua, who is the “Bread of Life”.

To make a long story short, he gets out to the fields, the brothers strip him of his coat, rip it, dip it in goat's blood, plan to kill him, Judah talks them out of it, and instead, throw him in an empty well, wait until a group of Ishmaelite traders comes by, they sell him to the buyers for 20 pieces of silver, and that is how, they are rid of brother Yosef, “daddy's boy” the dreamer, yet unknowingly, they are playing right into the perfect plan of YHVH, they are “investing” in their own future welfare. One interesting fact about these events is what happened before Yosef found his brothers in Dothan. Genesis 37:15 reads the following:

“A certain man found him wandering in the field, and the man asked him, saying What are you looking for?”

Israel sends Yosef to look for his brothers in Shechem, but when he gets there, he doesn’t find them because they have gone on to Dothan. Josef is now lost, just “wandering,” so the man says that they said, “let’s go to Dothan.” So the man redirects Yosef to find his brothers and continue in Adonai’s perfect plan for his life. Who is this man? No one knows, perhaps he was just a man who happened to be there near Yosef’s brethren and overheard them talking.

God, who looks down from beyond the heavens, from a multi-dimensional universe, sees the end before it happens, and this man was essential to fulfill the words of the Torah and the promises to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. Without this man, Yosef would not have found his brothers in time for them to "sell him into slavery." He never would have made it to Egypt to interpret Pharaoh’s dreams and save the world from starvation. The sons of Israel would not have moved to Egypt, and the prophecy of “Israel being in Egypt” might not have come true. Yet it all DID, because God had that certain man in place at the right time.

Little may we know it, but we probably have been in the “right places” at the “right times” to help people achieve their goals because we have a God in the universe that oversees all things and places people in those places to fulfill his will in them and in others.
But let's go back to the events. How do these events symbolize, compare with Messiah Yeshua? We do not see any blemish on Yosef, as if he is “perfect and righteous” as Yeshua was/is “Tzadik kadosh” (Righteous and Holy). Yosef is the “victim” of his own people (his brothers). Yeshua was given up to the Roman governor by a group of religious leaders.

Joseph was Israel's "beloved son." Yeshua is "The Father's beloved Son"; Joseph was a shepherd with his brothers; Yeshua is the "Good Shepherd." Joseph was hated by his brothers; Yeshua is still "hated" by much of the world. Joseph was sent by his father to see the flocks in the field; Yeshua was sent by the Father to care for his sheep and guide the "lost sheep" back to the fold. Joseph was in prison with two criminals, one was sentenced to death, the other was pardoned. Yeshua was crucified between two criminals, one was unrepentant, and the other was forgiven. Joseph was faced with temptation (Potiphar's wife) and resisted. Yeshua was tempted in the wilderness by HaSatan, and he resisted. Yosef went "down to Egypt" as a slave, saved from being killed. Yeshua went "down to Egypt" and was saved from being killed by Herod. We could probably think of more comparisons and contrasts in the lives of Messiah Yeshua and Yosef Ben Israel.

The brothers stripped Yosef of his coat (The King's tunic), the coat was dipped in goat's blood. Yeshua was stripped of his clothing and was beaten, his flesh “ripped” by a Roman whip, until the blood poured out. (torn and bloodied tunic of the King) The “goat's blood” reminds us of “Yom Kippur” where goats were sacrificed and one was “set free” the blood of the goat reminds us of our sins “covered by the blood” (back then) but now, our sins are “erased” by the blood of “God's chosen LAMB” the “Lamb of God” which taketh away the sins of the world.

Yosef was thrown into a pit, an empty cistern, void of water. Scripture doesn't say, but I imagine that his brothers tied him up with a rope and lowered him into the pit by the rope. A “water well” symbolizes “Life,” but when it is empty, it can symbolize “death”. Just try to climb out of a deep pit with dirt sides without anything, you can't, might as well be dead. Yosef being lowered into the pit can symbolize Yeshua's death, and his descent into “Sheol”; yet when the Midianites came by, the brothers pulled him “out” of the pit, which could symbolize Yeshua's “resurrection unto life”. Before the pit, Yosef was part of his immediate family. After the incident of the pit, he is on his way to a “new life”, with trials, tests, troubles, suffering, and finally, rewards! Doesn't that sound like our life today?

In Chapter 38, the scene switches to “Judah”. We see that Judah is not doing a very wise thing as he goes into a Canaanite woman. He leaves his brethren and has kids with a Canaanite! The first two are evil, and Adonai kills them. Shelah is his third son, and he hesitates to marry him to “Tamar,” yet she poses as a prostitute and deceives Judah into sleeping with her and getting her pregnant. But the question is, why was he looking for a prostitute?

Believers can wander away from God’s will for their lives in such ways, marrying unbelievers, committing adultery or fornication, the list can go on. Adonai still loves us and will continue to reach down to us and redirect us, even though it hurts at times, at times, the chastisements can come in the form of sadness and depression, a loss of love and excitement for the things of the LORD, because we know we are “doing wrong”.

The result of Tamar’s pregnancy was that twins were born, the first one pushed his hand through the womb and the midwife tied a “scarlet thread” on it to say, “this is the first-born” yet the baby pulled back inside and his brother came out, then HE came out in second place…yet…he was in “first place” (if you get my drift).

There is symbolism in these births. A way we can look at this is that the scarlet thread can symbolize Yeshua the Messiah, and his “first coming”, then his “second coming”. The twins were "Peretz" and "Zerach." Peretz means "breaker." Yeshua broke through the barrier of separation between God and man.. He "tore the curtain of the Temple down the middle, which was in the Temple.

"Zerach" can mean "dawning," and the second coming of Messiah Yeshua is the "dawning" of the new Millennial age. Also, perhaps a bit before the "dawning" of the First day of the week, Messiah Yeshua burst forth from the grave, conquering sin and death. From Tamar came Peretz, and from Peretz comes the line of King David, and from David, Mary and Joseph, and "Messiah Yeshua Ben Yosef."

Joseph saved the local world from physical famine and starvation. Yeshua has saved us from Spiritual darkness and starvation. Don't starve yourself of God's WORD. Get into it. As Joseph stored up grain to be made into bread, Yeshua came as the Bread of Life.

Mercy Shown said:

I may be misunderstanding you, but it seems to assume that those who understand the Sabbath as being fulfilled through resting in Christ are therefore disobeying God. I don’t believe that conclusion necessarily follows. Scripture teaches that our ultimate rest is found in Christ Himself (Hebrews 4:9–10), and many sincere believers seek to honor God from that place of faith and trust, not disregard for His commands.

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Heb 4:9-10 is not teaching that resting in Christ means we can break the Sabbath commandment, Its very much teaching the opposite, Those who rest in Christ also rest from their works Heb4:10 as God did, on the seventh day Heb4:4 Exo20:11 why the Sabbath rest remains (not changed) for the people of God Heb4:9NIV. The Sabbath rest is according to the commandment. Luke23:56 Exo20:8-11 just as God said Heb4:4 because there is no one greater than He. Man needs both physical rest from our works which God said to take on the seventh day, so we can keep His Sabbath day holy Exo20:8-11 and we need spiritual rest in Him Isa58:13 Isa56:6 they work in tandem, not against. Not keeping the Sabbath is what this passage is warning us about following the same example of disobedience Heb4:6 to those who came before us, and they too didn't think they needed to keep the Sabbath and it left them outside their promise land of rest Eze20:15-16 we are called not to follow in the same path of disobedience Heb4:11 if we hear His voice Heb3:7-19 so we can enter ours Rev22:14

In Christ rest no one is disobeying any of God's commandments including the 4th commandment, this is unrest and rebellion. In Christ rest there is just peace and waves of righteousness because one is doing the will of God Isa48:18 Psa40:8

Just like the commandment to not steal from our neighbor was fulfilled in Christ as He never once did so, or taught anyone else to do so, applies to all of the commandments for us to keep and not break the least of these as He said Mat5:19, not to change a jot or tittle like re-defining one of God's commandments, is changing God's unchangeable Testimony He said He would not. Exo31:18 Deut4:13 Psa89:34 Mat5:18-19 and it puts us in the place very much like those who came before us Eze20:16 because we are placing mans words above God's. God said Hallow My Sabbaths Eze20:20 Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy Exo20:8-11 Blessed is the man who does this and keeps the Sabbath Isa56:2 keeping the Sabbath is a sign of My sanctification Eze20:12 everyone who keeps the Sabbath and holds fast my covenant to join ourselves to Him Isa56:6 so if we are not living by God's Words who words are we living by.

Mercy Shown said:

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Where is this found in Scripture? Its our moral obligation to obey God, but we should do so because we love Him and want to obey Him, which would include the 4th commandment, the one God said Remember. We should do so even if we don't want to because its the right thing to do to obey God. Trust what He asks is perfect and will convert our soul Psa19:7 but hearing Him and not doing, is something Jesus warned about Luke6:46-48 James 1:22

Mercy Shown said:

Anything we do out of love for God counts for everything.

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Love to God was never defined by our terms, but by God's Exo20:6 John14:15 1John5:3. Its like the person who gives you everything but what you ask, we can also do that to God.