rusmeister said:

Well, there IS a Russian version of the “Orthobros”, and they are those that seek to venerate Stalin and dream of the Russian Empire (or of a “Christianized Soviet Union”), and tend to identify Orthodoxy with “Holy Rus”. For years I stood in our parish consciously aware that I was a walking rebuke to that attitude, that a representative of their Cold War enemy was standing among them and worshiping with them.
That’s all gone with the wind, now, though.

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I completely understand patriotism and even a longing for "glory days" of the past, but how Stalin gets venerated among Christians is bizarre to me. Are these bros ignorant of history? Do they know that the people of Belarus and Ukraine often welcomed Nazi soldiers marching in by throwing flowers at their feet, because they initially thought they were being liberated from Stalin? (Until they quickly found out otherwise.)

Out of interest, why does it matter if the earth is round or flat?

Are we trying to ascertain biblical explanations versus man or are we just making a thread to pass the time?

partinobodycular said:

Are you simply assuming that an AI would be less capable of making a 'humane' decision than an emotional/biased human would be?

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It would be less capable of making a correct decision, I think, partly because emotion is required for that.

partinobodycular said:

Don't studies show that the courts are already biased?

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I'm not aware of any studies, but your question does open a can of righteous worms, lol. Imagine a very limited AI, which was truly blind as justice is supposed to be. I can imagine things like:

1. felony charges of waving bacon would be dismissed
2. a lot more women would be working rather than getting alimony
3. Iryna Zarutska would still be alive today.

Akita Suggagaki said:

I am not so sure about anyone trying to present a polished and virtuous image on the outside. I would like to see at least more of that.

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I mean they are presenting a falsely polished and virtious image on the outside. We can notice how morality crept into politics and especially with identity politics. Identity politics promotes the idea that the outward appearence and associations are what make someone virtious. Rather than the individual.

We began to see celebs at ceremonies virtue signally and telling everyone how Woke they were and how we all need top be Woke and PC. We seen companies being socially hip and creating the image of being socially responsible while milking the cow behind closed doors for every penny they could.

We see social influencers promoting all sorts of moral advise as though they hold the truth to what is moral or not.

The media age has created a new reality where the outside can fool people. Its the perfect vehicle as it allows fake news, virtual reality, narratives and experiences all become tools to fool people. After a while its hard to tell good from bad. Bad morphs into good and good into bad.

Yarddog said:

I didn't propose it. I just which since you asked

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I said nothing about "Christian Nationalist" nor do they have anything to do with my question.

Zceptre said:

I think you are confused. I did no such thing. Also, I did address the post, twice.

Best regards.

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Yep.

Benaiah468 said:

Islam is now spreading in the US. Not to the same extent as in Europe, but with the same negative consequences. The new mayor of NYC is a socialist, and thus professes a destructive, misanthropic worldview that has long belonged in the ideological/historical waste bin.

What lies ahead for NY has been on display in London for years: Sadiq Khan has been mayor there for nine years. He won not primarily through broad support from native Britons, but through high voter turnout in Muslim-dominated neighbourhoods such as Tower Hamlets and Newham, combined with alliances with left-wing parties.

Khan, who is of British-Pakistani descent, has shaped London's politics to be Islam-friendly: he prioritised the construction of mosques, introduced hate crime laws that criminalise criticism of Islam, and ignored protests against radical preachers. Under Khan, London experienced several terrorist attacks (e.g., London Bridge in 2017); the city became the ‘Islamist capital of Europe,’ as a former MI6 chief put it.

In New York, Zohran Mamdani, who has embraced the ‘Defund the Police’ demand (which Islamist terrorist cells will only welcome), will now govern, while at the same time showing understanding for Palestinian ‘resistance’ against Israel and supporting the BDS boycott movement against the Jewish state. Mamdani also waffled around a clear rejection of the ‘globalisation of the intifada’.

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Yup, far too many people in the west are so afraid of being called or feeling like a racist that they are refusing to look at the truth. They are voting against their own interests. Dearborn isnt going to be the only Islamic city in America.

essentialsaltes said:

ICE arrests McMinnville High School student during Friday lunch period​

“This afternoon, we became aware of an incident off school grounds in which a high school student was taken into custody by Immigration and Customs Enforcement [ICE] during today’s lunch period,” McMinnville Superintendent Kourtney Ferrua wrote in a message to parents. “Students who were nearby witnessed the event. We are working to verify information through appropriate channels and remain in communication with local partners.”

The Yamhill County News-Register reported that the family of the arrested 17-year-old student said he is a U.S. citizen.

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[Update 11/22] Family of a Mac High student detained by ICE say he was released around 7 p.m. Friday evening.

Cesar Jimenez, the brother of Mac High senior Christian Jiminez, said the family was contacted by federal authorities around 5 p.m. and told he could be released "only if two family members who are U.S. citizens arrive in person to pick him up."

Cesar said his brother was "racially profiled, threatened along with his peers, dragged out of a car, and injured by shattered glass when ICE agents broke the driver’s window." He told The Oregonian that authorities are trying to charge his Christian with “interference or obstruction of investigation.”

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So whats the rest of the story? I've watched too many people engaged in obstructionist behavior that im tired of people getting away with it. I hope this kid was charged and not just released.

Hentenza said:

Looks like a case of keeping your enemies closer.

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Yes. Some people don't understand that strategy.

Hans Blaster said:

We spent months discussing how hard it is to work granite and how prestigious granite vases were and now you want to disavow granite as the "bestest material" to show your wealth? SMH.

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No I don't want to disvow its special status as a material that lasts and is obviously the best available to work with if you want quality. I am disagreeing with your assumption that this was the only reason.

Hans Blaster said:

Who said anything about magnetic moments? You clearly don't understand the things you bring up. That is a good clue to STOP.

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Why, I am simply pointing out the other issue that was discussed on this thread. That I discussed. You forget I am talking to 3 or 4 others and have to keep track. I was merely clarifying which is good. It actually ensures the right topic. You only have one issue to be concerned about. I have several.

Hans Blaster said:

You use batteries still in their packaging? I always remove my AAs before putting them in the TV remote.

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Obviously lol.

Hans Blaster said:

The typical Li cells in EV batteries are about twice the voltage of a AA. Link 3 in serial to get the same voltage as a Li cell. (And this works perfectly fine. My remote is wired serially to get 3.0 V.) Then a whole bunch in parallel to get the power (typical current is 5-700 mA in a AA) needed to run the car.

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Thanks for the lesson on batteries lol.

Hans Blaster said:

And here was my point: a jumble of batteries in the trunk is not a circuit, just as a random jumble of crystals will not build a power source either. Granite is not a piezoelectric power source.

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So I asked Ai exactly your claim but in reverse (is Granite is a piezoelectric power source) and this was the return.

Yes, granite can be a piezoelectric power source because it contains quartz, which exhibits piezoelectric properties. When subjected to mechanical stress, granite can generate an electric charge. This phenomenon can be used to harvest energy from natural forces like seismic activity or from man-made pressure and vibrations.

What your not acknowledging is that these random jumbled up crystals can be brought into harmony with certain conditions. The papers I linked mention this. Such as acoustics or an electrical charge onto the pyramid.

Harnessing geothermal and piezoelectric properties of stone for sustainable electricity generation
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This study introduces a novel hybrid system in which piezoelectric and geothermal properties are integrated into basalt and quartz stones to generate green electricity. The same is satisfied by the energy conversion capability, high thermal holding capacity, and the strong piezoelectricity of quartz.

Harnessing geothermal and piezoelectric properties of stone for sustainable electricity generation - Scientific Reports

This study introduces a novel hybrid system in which piezoelectric and geothermal properties are integrated into basalt and quartz stones to generate green electricity. The same is satisfied by the energy conversion capability, high thermal holding capacity, and the strong piezoelectricity of...

www.nature.com

When Quartz is squeezed directly, mechanical stress leads to an electric charge, while inversely, an applied electric field causes the material to generate mechanical vibrations. This creates the opportunity for energy harvesting,
It’s On: What do the Fraser River and the Great Pyramid Have In Common? - Science World

Hans Blaster said:

The geography lesson was for a purpose. You've gone off on some nonsense about underlying rock types being conducting or some thing, when the location of transport, materials, and workers on a site with a firm, shallow bedrock is available.

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I was speaking of the global location. Not within that location. The global and local environments and conditions each have their own independent effects. The glocal effect is associated with the pyramids being globally located where the electromagnetic waves are.

The generation of electricity requires the pyramid to vibrate always. Hence the location at which the electromagnetic waves are more on the surface of the globe are chosen to be the perfect sites for the pyramid. The pyramid at Giza is standing on the underwater currents of the river Nile plus on a location where high electromagnetic flux lines can be measured and felt. This provides the vibrations required for the crystals to vibrate at all times.

Hans Blaster said:

I don't know. I don't listen to me.

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I said 'what did others say'. Surely you listen to others.

Hans Blaster said:

You are literally invoking technology that no known ancient civilization had or described. The burden of proof is on those presenting the outrageous claims. I am rejecting them until actual evidence is provided. (It has not been.)

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So what about the images and testimony under oath. Lying is a serious offense. This is the other kind of evidence which is experiencial in nature. Someone is giving an eye witness testimony. Either they are making it up, deluded or its real. When you get severak very dredible eye witnesses it gives weight to the experiencial evidence. When the belief persists after interegation and analysis then its a qualified belief.

Sometimes eye witness testimony makes the difference in a case. Its treated seriously enough to be a line of evidence in the legal system. It is the basis of Christ and the bible which has stood the test of time. Tests have been done that show the same brain patterns for real events are utilised in their experiences and not coming for the dream or imagination or emotional area of the brain.

I don't think we should underestimate experiencial evidence. Then you start to have to undermine the sanity of good people and start creating conspiracies just to discredit them. Without a shred of evidence.

Hans Blaster said:

No one thinks you *are* Hancock. Hancock can at least write.

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Oh gee thanks. That makes me a bad Hancock who can't write.

Hans Blaster said:

We are aware you have not directly invoked Hancock or the most outrageous of his fantasies, but AS WE HAVE SAID MANY TIMES you continuously quote people who *do* follow Hancock and promote his claims.

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Show me which ones and the words coming out of their mouth that they are supporting some unreal conspiracy about aliens or Atlantis.

Also I wish to correct a fallacy thats being snuck in here. That suggesting there might to a real even that sparked the Atlantis legend is not a conspiracy in itself. This is the bait and switch tactic. Falsely make out that if someone mentions the legand of Atlantis and how it may have come about through the sciences is making a conspiract theory.

This is false and even mainstream science has had an interest is discovering if there is any truth to legends. Often they find there was a real event that led to the creation of the legend. Like the Flood myths are based on real flood events and not some complete fairy tale. So you are making a conflation of the real science and myths yourself.

Hans Blaster said:

What we have been trying to do (for months, sigh) is to get you to look into your actual sources and what *they* invoke or believe in. It only took me 30 minutes of digging in the channel that created the video in the OP to sort out that the presenter of that video was a Hancock fan, if not an acolyte.

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Oooh a Hancock fan, Take him to the dungeon. You really need to get over this Hancock derangement syndrome lol. You have brought this in dozens of times. Your not making me see anything. I am completely aware that some of these sites include stuff from Hancock and others. Its bound too as they all come under 'alternative knowledge and tech'. Like the UAP's this is a natural human intuition and belief. We have been doing it forever lol and never will stop. Because there is something real beyond that we are trying to get at. Its in our DNA so to speak.

But look at the specific people involved. The host of UnchartedX clearly states he is not promoting woo or conspiracy. But supporting what is said with evidence.

The guy from the OP clearly states he is treating the investigation academically. Your fixating on this so much that any suggestion or link to Hancok alone wipes out a persons credibility before you even find out what they believe themselves. Its classic ad hominem.

Like I said show me the words coming out of the people specifically that they are promoting some unreal idea or not supporting what they actually say with at least an attempt at the science. I mean re the signatures they say they don't know. They say its not modern machines or aliens. They just don't know.

When they do attempt to explain how its usually by some logical method like a lathe or some way of generating power through hydro or tapping into some form of energy they discovered. Which is certainly not aliens or far fetchs myths and a possibility. We just discovered they created some modern form of cement that looks like the real thing and lasts 5,000 plus years. So why not.

Hans Blaster said:

The "ancient advanced civilization" is the pseudoscience grift that Hancock has been pushing for 30+ years. Most of this not original to Hancock but has origins in earlier fools, morons, and grifters.

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Fair enough.

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Stick to the science, but use better epistemics.

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Thats what I am doing. Like I said you have mentions Hancock and Atlantis and conspiracies more than a conspiracy theorist lol. Enough so to actually create one in this thread.

RDKirk said:

A whole flock of general officers retired over the invasion of Iraq...and nobody outside the military noticed. The Army chief of staff got fired pushing back against the invasion of Iraq...and nobody outside the military noticed.

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Yes, no one noticed. We didn't have the media writing about it all the time as if it were illegal to do so. We didn't have congressmen putting out videos suggesting the military personnel didnt have to follow illegal orders.

There were military men who questioned whether or not we should get involved in WWII.

The fact that some may question or wonder should not be a surprise to anyone.

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Then

ok, fair play, the abandonment of phonics was moronic. But many parents (like my wife and myself), simply taught our kids to read ourselves. All our young ‘uns could read a newspaper when they entered first grade. We also read to them and stuffed the house with books. We considered raising them our primary responsibility, and it turned out quite well despite the sad level of public education.

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Phonics as a method of teaching reading has not been abandoned here in the UK. I found this on the Government's website:

"The phonics teaching programme validation process​

By ensuring high-quality phonics teaching and improving literacy levels, the government wants to:

• give all children a solid base on which to build as they progress through school
• help them develop the habit of reading both widely and often, for both pleasure and information

In April 2021, we published the revised core criteria for effective systematic synthetic phonics teaching programmes (SSP) and launched a new process to validate those programmes. The process applied to both previously assessed programmes and new applicants.

A number of publishers completed an initial self-assessment based on these criteria, which was then reviewed by independent evaluators. After 3 rounds of evaluation, 45 SSP programmes were validated.

We are not planning an imminent future validation round, but any update will be provided on this page. Although the process has now been completed, the information provided for 2021 to 2022, including the criteria used and the guidance supplied, remains available."

Jeremiah 8:10 I will give the Land to new owners:
Zephaniah 3:1-8 Woe to the place of oppression, filthy and defiled, they heed no warning voice and ignore God’s rebukes. They won’t take correction or place their trust in their Creator. Their leaders have no concern for the people and prophet and priest alike profane the Holy Scriptures.
The people who ‘won’t take correction and trust their Creator’, is the Jewish State of Israel.

The Lord has judged and punished them before, their land laid waste and the towns deserted and He thought: surely now they will fear Me and will accept instruction, but they continue on in their evil deeds and they show no shame for it.
Judah has been punished and exiled before; by Babylon and by Rome. But as Ezekiel 21:14 tells us, there will be a third time.

Therefore: look out for Me, for the Day when I will stand up to witness against you, on the Day that I execute justice upon the nations, for I will pour out My fierce anger and the whole earth will be enveloped by the fire of My wrath.
This will be the great and terrible Day of the Lord’s vengeance and fiery wrath against the nations. Prophesied in the Bible over 100 times. Habakkuk 3:12 2 Peter 3:7, Revelation 6:12-17, +

Zephaniah 3:11-13 On that Day, Jerusalem, I shall wipe away your shame for all the transgressions committed in you, for I shall remove all your proud and arrogant citizens, only the humble and peaceful people will remain and those who never practise evil or speak lies, they will settle in the Land and nothing will disturb them.

This is the great Second Exodus of all of God’s people into all of the holy Land. Every faithful Christian: a vast multitude from every tribe, race, nation and language. Isaiah 66:18-21, Ezekiel 34:11-31, Romans 9:24=26, Revelation 7:9 and the amazing stories in Psalms 107.

Zephaniah 3:9-10 They will all know a pure language, so everyone will know the true Name of the Lord and will praise Him with one accord. My worshippers, all the righteous people will come from afar to worship the Lord and bring offerings to Him. People from every race, nation and language, all the born again Christian people, will travel there to live, in the new nation of Beulah, Isaiah 62:1-5, while the rest of the world is ruled by a One World Government. Daniel 7:23, Revelation 17:12

Zephaniah 3:14-17 Daughter of Jerusalem; sing for joy! For the Lord has taken away your punishments and has cast out your enemies. Now the Lord is with you and you need never again fear disaster.
On the Day of the Lord’s wrath; This is the message for My people: Fear not, stand firm in your faith, your God will keep you safe and will rejoice over you.
Ref: REB, CJB, KJV. Some verses condensed and paraphrased.

This chapter of Zephaniah encapsulates the soon to happen end times story.
It tells how Jerusalem, the holy Land is desecrated by its ungodly inhabitants and will rejoice when they are gone.

How those enemies of the Lord, the evil neighbors, Jeremiah 12:14, and all who reject the Salvation of Jesus, will be uprooted and gone, then the holy Land resettled by the Lord’s faithful believers. Ezekiel 34:11-31 tells it plainly.

Jeremiah 7:30-34 & 8:1-13 The people of Judah have done wrong, they worship idols and have no regard for their Creator....Therefore, the time is coming when I shall fill the valley of Topeth with their corpses.......All the survivors of this wicked race, from wherever I have banished them, would rather die than live. Isaiah 22:14
...Judah is incurable in their waywardness......I listen, but I hear not one word of remorse ....My people do not know the Judgements of the Lord. How can you say: We are wise and we have the Law of God, when your scribes and priests have falsified it? The wise are shamed and where is wisdom in them?
Therefore I will give their wives to others and give their land to new owners, for all of their prophets and priests are frauds....on My Day of reckoning, they will fall with a great crash. I shall surely consume them says the Lord and there will be no grapes on the vine, [Israel] and no figs on the fig tree. [Judah]

We Christians are told by Paul in 1 Thessalonians 5:4-5, that we should know God’s plans for what will happen in the near future. Zephaniah 3 gives it to us, confirmed by the sequence of Revelation chapters 6-7.

What is presented in these scriptures, is God’s Promises to His faithful people, His blessings of peace and prosperity, of joy and happiness, of security and long life, as all who love Him and keep the Commandments; will live in His Land.
It is the prophetic parallel of ancient Israel, where Jesus led the people through the desert and how most of them refused to accept the Promise. 1 Corinthians 10:6-13
Ezekiel 20:34-38 tells how, once again, some of His people will revolt and rebel and they will not be allowed to enter the Land of Israel.

In today’s situation, we have many who have accepted the Gospel, but who have chosen their own beliefs about what God intends to do for His people and during this forthcoming test, 1 Peter 4:12, they may fail to stand firm in their trust that the Lord will protect them. This won’t lose their salvation, but it will be a serious disadvantage, 1 Corinthians 3:13-15

The great chapter of Isaiah 35:1-10, is one of the many prophesies that describe the Lord’s faithful Christian people entering the holy Land, says: ...no one unclean will go there....The Lord’s people, set free: will enter Zion with shouts of triumph.

Psalms 107 and Isaiah 66:18b-21, describe how the Lord will help His people to travel to the holy Land.

Apple Sky said:

So he committed suicide ?
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I don't think we call it suicide when somebody refuses advice on staying healthy, and then dies as a result of that refusal, whether we're talking of smoking, drug-taking, eating unhealthy foods, alcoholism, or refusing vaccinations.

Godless peoples live in the Holy Land:

Psalms 79:1-7 The heathen have invaded Your domain, Lord – they have defiled Your Holy Place and ruined Your Land. Your servants have been killed and evicted from Jerusalem. Now we suffer the taunts of our neighbours and the threats of those around us.
Lord: You are roused to a fury, Your indignation blazes like a fire. Pour out Your wrath onto the nations that do not acknowledge You, those peoples that deny Your existence, for they have taken over the heritage of Jacob.

Psalms 79:8-13 Do not remember against Your people the guilt of past generations, rather let Your compassion come swiftly to meet us, for now we are brought so low. Help us, God our saviour for the honour of Your Name. For Your Name’s sake rescue us and wipe out our sins. Why should the nations ask: Where is their God?

May we see Your vengeance for their treatment of Your servants.
Let the supplications of Your people from around the world, reach Your presence and in Your great might save those who are dead in the spirit. Ezekiel 37:13-14
Turn back sevenfold onto their own heads the contempt the godless nations pour upon You. Then, we; Your people: the flock whom You shepherd, will give You thanks forever and praise You to all generations.
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‘The heathen have invaded Your domain’- Most of the current inhabitants of the Holy Land, that is: the area from the Nile to the Euphrates, are atheistic, apostate or false religion worshippers. Isaiah 20:30-32, Psalms 52:1-5

‘neighbours have taken over the heritage of Jacob’-
Neighbours: the enemies of God and the rejecters of Jesus, living in or adjacent to the State of Israel. Jeremiah 12:14, Ezekiel 21:13-14
Jacob: the Overcomer for God, now every faithful Christian. Galatians 3:26-29, Ephesians 3:6 and in each of the Seven Churches of Revelation.

‘Your indignation blazes like fire’ - The multi prophesied punishment by fire that the Lord will bring upon the world, especially devastating to the Middle East. Ezekiel 30:2-5, Amos 1:3-15, Zephaniah 1:1-18, 2 Peter 3:7

‘onto their own heads’- The weapons prepared by the nations who attack will ‘recoil upon themselves’. Psalms 7:12-15, Obadiah 1:15, Joel 3:4

‘Your people, the flock whom You shepherd’, Faithful, born again Christian people from every race nation and language, protected, saved and then living in their heritage: the holy Land. Ezekiel 34:11-16, Isaiah 35:1-10, Romans 8:16-18, Romans 9:24-26

Psalms 79 is another example of How the Lord will act when an Islamic confederation commences their attack on the State of Israel, as Prophesied in Psalms 83. It will be the literal fulfilment of the many prophecies of a terrible punishment by fire upon the nations, an explosion of the suns surface, instigated by the Lord, but He is not seen at this time, so it can be thought of as a natural disaster by the secular peoples.
It will be the sudden and shocking Lord’s Day of vengeance and wrath, that will virtually depopulate all the area given to Abraham, nearly four centuries ago. Zephaniah 1:14-18

This will allow the gathering and settling of the true, faithful Israelites – natural and grafted in, to live in the Holy Land. The rest of the world will form a One World Government, as nations will cede their sovereignty because of this disaster.
About 10 years later, after all that is prophesied in Revelation to happen before the Return has taken place, then the Lord Jesus will Return for His Millennium reign.

I don't know if the internet is the cause, but I find it almost impossible to watch more than 10 or 15 minutes of a movie or tv show before I have to find something else to do. Yet I'd watch YouTube! shorts for hours if I'd let me. I've got the attention span of a three year old.

"Be holy for I am holy"

That is never popular

concretecamper said:

Listen, you're not going to get anywhere with her. Her belief is that unless you can ALWAYS choose right, you don't have free will. Of course that is a bogus belief, but it's the way she sees it.

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I'm not talking to @Clare73. That was @childeye 2 I was addressing.
I asked Clare a question, and until she answers, she isn't communicating with the OP, and the OP has said his final words on that.

I thought you were finished.
I hope you aren't here to give anyone a reason to fill the thread with meaningless posts.
You don't want people who visit the thread to have to dig through a pile of nothingness.

The thread can remain small, without extending it needlessly with someone repeating words they have no support for, and where they aren't interested in conversating.

RDKirk said:

They executed guards and soldiers who violated what was already international law treaties that Germany had ratified. In other words, they had violated the laws of their own nation.

If a US soldier obeys a law that is declared illegal only after the fact, he will not be prosecuted.

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So since it's illegal to use excessive force in the US, Navy or Coast Guard personal can be prosecuted for deliberately killing alleged criminals in speed boats?

there is already a thread on this

we could be around the end times now, just due to the numbers.
only about 2% of men ages 13 to 45 are virgins, and 144K male christian (as in, righteous jews who listen to the spirit of God) is about what i would expect there to be out of 8 billion people on earth. -followed by a great multitued of about 2% of the rest of the planet or around 100 million.

The Liturgist said:

Yes, clearly: fasting for 40 days is possible but uncomfortable, as any Orthodox Christian will tell you. Hence the devil tempting Him.

Insofar as Christ is God incarnate, after He put on our fallen nature in order to redeem and glorify it He would have been vulnerable to any and all forms of human suffering up to and including death, and this is reflected in the Creed.

The rejection of the idea of suffering on the part of Christ is the characteristic belief of Docetism and the related Nestorian and Apthartodocetist belief systems, which separate the divinity of Christ from His human prosopon hypostatically, which means you have one divine person united to the man Jesus only by a shared will.

The latter belief system began to emerge in the writings of Diodore of Tarsus, was expounded upon by Theodore of Mopesuestia and then adopted by Nestorius as a means of justifying his attempt to suppress, with force, the use of the traditional title “Theotokos” found in the writings of his illustrious predecessor in Constantinople, St. John Chrysostom, who was also from Antioch originally, and in other early church fathers; before Nestorius, only the Antidicomarians rejected this title as as a group.

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You've read the Church Fathers more than me, but insofar as I can tell, yes--the union of God and Christ is an indescribable unity, or perhaps best described in the traditional Creeds. Any attempt to separate the Man from Deity is going to result in a heresy.

And if God revealed Himself in Christ, the man, then certainly he was as vulnerable as any other mortal on earth--only he was directed in a life determined by God to express His only Begotten Son. We don't know how much suffering this entailed, but we're told it was real.

mark46 said:

The market favors those who are plumbers and electricians.

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they do not make enough money to buy an average house and raise a family in a high cost of living area where they work. they live outside of those areas and commute. outside of those areas, they aren't needed. homeowners do their own electrical and plumbing.

the market has responded by raising the bar to become a licensed skilled trade, even higher. by the market i mean insurance companies.

i have a friend who is a plumber and he wants to start his own company, he told me "i've pulled a lot of f'd up plumbing out of houses. turns out it worked for 50 years before me, i don't see why the code needs a 2" vent on a sink. hell it doesn't need one at all." --words to that effect.

you can make 25$ an hour as a roofer while your boss charges the clients 60$ an hour and pays the insurance company 25$ an hour for you to walk on a roof...
or you do it yourself in a few days and buy the materials for a tenth of the price you can pay someone else to do it.

eventually something breaks.

one thing i will say works is you can pay someone to install insulation cheaper than you can buy the insulation from a big box store and do it yourself.
-even in a HCOL

sovereigngrace said:

Dispies make it up as they go. Your diversion is another erroneous theological invention.

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I see you don`t have scripture, however I posted some and that is what needs to be discussed.

Have you ever considered that `Jerusalem` above is made up of two parts - Mount Zion and the city, the New Jerusalem.

`But you have come to Mount Zion and to the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem,...` (Heb. 12: 22)

Mount Zion is where the Lord Jesus rules from His own throne. His Father has set Him there.

`I have set my King on my holy hill of Zion.` (Ps. 2: 6) `...a throne set in heaven, and one sat on the throne..` (Rev. 4: 2)

The city part is for the Old Testament Saints.

`But they desire a better, that is a heavenly country. Therefore, God is not ashamed to be called their God, for He has prepared a city for them.` (Heb. 11: 16)

So...Mount Zion is the seat of the Lord`s rule and in the highest, with His Body of believers.

`To him who overcomes I will grant to sit with me on my throne...` (Rev. 3: 21)


Then the city part comes down out of the highest heaven to the universe realm and is the rule over the earth.

`Then I, John, saw the holy city, new Jerusalem coming down out of heaven from God,...` (Rev. 21: 2)

ThatRobGuy said:

I'm blaming them because it was their fault...

If we agree that increased public exposure of the Nick Fuentes types is what's driving this fracturing of the GOP...

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No, it’s not merely the greater exposure that the Groypers are getting. It’s also that they’re becoming more numerous on the right, particularly among their younger ranks. The Republican party of old would have censored this stuff themselves.