SabbathBlessings said:

I believe God did that when after He spoke the Ten Commandments He added NO MORE Deut 5:22 He wrote Ten Commandments Deut4:13 no more, its the whole law of God 2 Chro33:8 James2:10-12, God is capable of making a whole law without man having to add to it,. Just like He made heaven and earth without man Exo20:11 He clearly spoke and wrote what He meant Deut4:13 Exo 34:28

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the 10 came before the tablets. Ex 20 shows them first spoken along with more laws and formed a sealed covenant before Moses climbed the mountain to get the stone tablets.

SabbathBlessings said:

The Ten Commandments is what man will be judged by James2:11-12 why its the only Law under God's mercy seat Exo25:21 Rev 15:5 Rev 11:19 they mean much more than people realize as Jesus taught plainly from this same unit. Mat5:17-30 If everyone was keeping them the way Jesus explained there would be no more sin.

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You are conflating with your references. I can do the same thing and say it points to something else. there is no link you've established that these references mean the 10 commandments. I mean we have a disagreement about how Mat 5:17-30 is used but you use this as your source for proof the 10 should be separated. This is too little for support such a wildly missing doctrine from scripture.

SabbathBlessings said:

A jot or tittle has nothing to do with ink, He already said He wrote His Laws in stone Exo31:18 Deut9:10 not handwritten with ink on scrolls so lets not change what God said plainly. A Jot or Tittle means not something as small as a dot of an i or cross of a t can pass from His Laws, yet alone editing or removing an entire commandment or two.

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jots don't, but tittles are characteristics of the pen, in greek it lit. is a stroke.

SabbathBlessings said:

ἰῶτα iōta, ee-o'-tah; of Hebrew origin (the tenth letter of the Hebrew alphabet); "iota", the name of the [ninth]1 letter of the Greek alphabet, put (figuratively) for a very small part of anything:—jot.

כ (A. V. tittle); the meaning is, 'not even the minutest part of the law shall perish.' ((Aeschylus, Thucydides, others.))

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iota/jot (or yod) is of hebrew origin for the 10th letter of the alphabet. they use the iota/jot because it is the smallest character in the script but you have to use the Aramaic square script for that to be relevant. in Paleo Hebrew (what the tablets would have used) the letter is by no means the smallest. the jot/iota is a direct reference to post-adoption of Aramaic square script and would be literally what the scrolls and the torah and prophets would be written with when Jesus spoke these words as they were constantly recopied to perserve them.

tittle/keraia (greek) is a reference to the smallest stroke of a pen. it assumes a pen/paper (papyrus) medium, not a chisel/stone feature. The reference to a jot doesn't make sense for paleo hebrew (because it wasn't a small letter) and tittles are features of pen/paper not of stone but Paleo Hebrew is very well suited for stone. Sure you could argue God used his finger so he had tittles (small strokes of his finger) but the jot is still a problem and is clearly a reference to Aramaic square script not paleo Hebrew. tiny Jots are post-Aramaic square script references and tittles are pen/paper characteristics not in stone. They simply do not make sense to highlight the tablets, I would expect stone imagery over ink imagery, and make no mistake the latter is being used.

here is the jot in paleo Hebrew (what the tablets have)
notice straight square lines, pefect for etching into stone but this is not a small letter

here is the jot is Aramaic square script (what Jesus was referencing) י
it's just a little flick of the pen and tiny, not suited for stone but suited for ink. regardless of its ink or not, it's tiny (which is the point) and the paleo hebrew is not

it speaks for itself, Jesus was not referencing paleo Hebrew as his remarks don't support paleo Hebrew, ergo he was not referencing the tablets (which are written in paleo Hebrew) but rather the written scrolls of torah which had tiny jots and tittles all throughout.

the tablets would have used paleo Hebrew, jots and tittles are not how you would express those characteristics

BasedLutheran said:

gibberish

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Such as "any facts" or just misstatements from Trump on the use of the term and even the income status of the countries he banned? As i now see that several of the nations are not considered low income at all.

Reluctant Theologian said:

More detailed quote:

The same holds true for the maidservant who is under the yoke of slavery; she too is in another's power, that is, her master's. But if she is a believer, let her regard herself as belonging to God, not to her master, and let her keep her body pure for the Lord who bought her with his own blood. [...] But if her master is an unbeliever, let the believing maidservant bear up, knowing that she is serving the Lord Christ. Let her not maltreat her flesh but rather adorn it chastely, keeping it pure and undefiled for the Lord. For it is not permitted her to fornicate or to surrender her body to anyone but her own husband. But if she is forced by her master, let her pray to be given strength to endure and not to sin against the Lord. For the body is a temple of the Holy Spirit and must be kept in holiness.

Upon reading better I agree it's more likely he was referring with 'endure' to persist in refusal than to let her master have his way with a sinful plan. Under Torah law though the master could have married her still himself but any believing master would never be allowed to force his slaves to commit sin - including prostitution.

PS: later theologians do seem to provide this exoneration in case of force/coercion - e.g Augustine (The city of God - +/- 420 AD):

And this seems a rhetorical question.

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While slaves did not enjoy the rights of a trial, it doesn’t stop anyone from viewing this as a shameful act.

BCP1928 said:

If it was socially ok to be a physical male and a psychlogical female then trans people would be much better off.

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Question for you. (I asked my son this same question when he told me he “felt feminine”.)

What basis does a male have for thinking they are “psychologically” female? If you’re not female; how would you have any idea what it’s like to be female?

The statement here, is based on an assumption; which is based on a stereotype of what the male in question “thinks” women feel like.

And we can pretty safely conclude that his perception is based on what he is concluding based on what he sees of women in society around him.

And why is it that these men “pick” the “hot”, “sexy” model types to fashion their perceptions of their “psychological womanhood” from? None of these trans “women” are modeling their perceptions off of…. Grandma for example.

Think about that a minute.

MarkRohfrietsch said:

And no one to debate with!!!

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Indeed, but, believe it or not, I actually prefer interesting discussions on the liturgy. Any time someone wishes to get into the weeds with me on exploring the history of the Anaphora of St. James, or St. Mark, or the Twelve Apostles, or help me write festal services for St. Abanoub the Martyr, who is sadly only liturgically commemorated in the Coptic church, being a Coptic youth who received a crown of martyrdom during the DIocletian Persecution, but who absolutely deserves a feast day in the Western, Byzantine and Syriac Rites, and for that matter, a few other translations of saints; also surprisingly, a lot of Eastern Orthodox saints only have Troparia and Kontakia, not full canons or propers for vespers; setting these up is relatively easy since the General Menaion like the Common for different kinds of saints in the Roman Rite provides a template (most liturgical rites have a default form for different types of feast days which can be used in the absence of a dedicated service or used as the basis for composing such a service)

Hey, welcome!

Benaiah468 said:

He will spread His messianic kingdom of peace throughout the whole world. Then the nations will come to Jerusalem to celebrate the Feast of Tabernacles together with Israel (Zec 14:16). Israel and the nations will praise the G-d of Israel together. What a prospect!

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Agreed, but God's people now will be those who come from all nations to the Kingdom, the new chosen. There will be no leaders like before however, except Jesus, who plays no favourites. Everybody had their chance before Him and blew it. The Father's Kingdom will have come, and His Will will be done in earth.

DaisyDay said:

I wonder if we as a culture should reconsider allowing mentally ill folk such easy access to deadly weapons.

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True, liberals, especially of the transgender type, should probably be banned from owning guns

peaceful-forest said:

Has anyone else been struggling with the "aging" part of their 30s?

For example, on the Oldies station now, they're playing 90s music. That makes me feel old.

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It’s been so crazy getting closer and closer to 40! I think what I struggle with most is watching my parents age and getting closer to that point where their age makes you question how much longer you have left with them. My parents are older and had kids not much younger than I did. It’s hard to imagine them not being here someday.

So, bit of a weird question, but I am wondering if I am eligible to convert to Messianic Judaism?

I come from a Southern Baptist background, but found out that one side of my family was Jewish. They ended up converting to Christianity to better assimilate and avoid discrimination.

I've been told this makes me ethnically Jewish, but I have no connection to the Jewish culture nor religion. I'm virtually indistinguishable from a Gentile when it comes to culture, lifestyle and worldview.

What do you think? Is it Messianic Judaism for me, or am I better off with what I already am?

Rescued One said:

About 8 inches of snow on the ground and 26 degrees..

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We had an unusually heavy fall of snow on Saturday of over 10 inches. Temperatures reached into the 20's F. today.

stevevw said:

Yes but the scientific method does not use those experiences to measure and know that reality. The scientists has to step back and detached themselves from the experiences to then measure things objectively. All feelings and experiences have to be cast aside.

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Cast aside? What hogwash. Experiences are observations. How would a physicist study the spectra of light without an experience of color?

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Like the experience of colors such as a golden sunset or a fire red sports car. Science can measure the brain activity related to vision and the light wave spectrum to know all the technical data.

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Sure. So what?

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But the actual experience cannot be measured in quantities. Its a experience that can only be measured, known and verified directly by the experiencer.

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Sure. So what?

This is commonplace, and that makes it even more sickening.

Michie said:

Hallucination-Free AI?

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Hallucination-free religious leaders doesn't exist either.

They embellish the teachings of the Lord as if God would reward them for doing such thing.

If I play the piano so horribly and I know it but listeners say I play fantastically because they they either want something from me so badly or fear me. If I only care about shallow praises of people, I'm probably going to be pleased but if I value the truth far above shallow praises, I'd have nothing but anger. I wouldn't want to be around such people.

AI gets a lot of attention because it's new but they're not really any worse than people.

I've closely studied the entire Bible plus other Christian religious texts in various translations without AI for 15 years. And then using and testing AI. I found they're not really worse than people on religious matters.

If AI hallucinate, people too. And people can be worse on hallucination with religious matters for both adherents and skeptics.

In the absence of human advice, you can use AI and they're getting better with improving safety protocols.

So who is going to be the one to tell China and India to stop polluting the Earth?

Any room for opposing viewpoints here?

stevevw said:

I assume the side that complains about being told what to do by religion

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Not by "religion."

stevevw said:

are the secular progressives or those who are not religious or believe in God.

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Or you can just define them out of existence.

stevevw said:

I wasn't necessarily meaning just religion as opposed to non religion.

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Good.

stevevw said:

The divide and polarisation where each side sees the other as a threat and bad for society can also happen in politics and there can be more than two opposing sides like Left and Right or Conservative and Progressives.

There can be a number of groups like tribes where each thinks the other is wrong. Like at the culture wars where we have different identity and ideological groups pitted against each other.

Its interesting that you keep targeting certain groups as the only bad ones like men and religion. Its never other identity groups like women, non religion or political ideology groups like Marxist, Communists, Feminists, Humanist, Wokist ect.

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Because I don't consider them a threat to Constitutional government.

stevevw said:

Why is it only these groups you single out as the bad one. I thought all were sinners. It sounds like this is acting more like the Pharisees wanting to throw stones at certain groups. When they have a beam in their own eyes.

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Not at the groups, only at their public policy agenda.

stevevw said:

Most progressives are not even religious.

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Not a chance. You'll just have to define them as non religious because they are progressives.

stevevw said:

Do it what way. I am talking about how under a pluralistic society we have to allow all beliefs and political views even if they conflict. Its the only way under a free society.

Well in reality they are and I think everyone knows that and acts like they are moral precepts. A State cannot detach itself from the moral aspects of the policies and the laws they implement.

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They mave have started out as moral precepts but the state has no power to make a moral judgement, only a legal one.

stevevw said:

Why do you think people protest and get angry and lobby the State. Why do you think all these social groups have rising like Me Too and BLM or the Environmental activists or proests against Isreal and rallying for Palestine. Of course its all based on morals.

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They were all protesting the actions of the state, not its ideology.

stevevw said:

When the State chnages Marriage laws, abortion law, alcohol and gambling laws, family laws, welfare policies, workplace laws re descrimination, Identity policy and law protections, policies on what is taught in education ect ect ect.

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You think all of that is anti-Christian?

stevevw said:

Look at all the chaos over immigration policy and laws. People are willing to use violence to stop what they think is unjust and immoral laws.

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Injustice is what they are protesting. The immorality of it is for the clergy who also oppose it to consider..

stevevw said:

What does this mean for Christians living within a sinful world. The bible says they cannot be of this world and live by its ideology. We have to live Gods will on earth as it is in heaven. Which often contradicts with the world.

Yes we must be on Gods side but what does that entail. That we live Gods will and not sin. Christ forgave the adulterous women but said sin no more. So we try to live like Christ. Help the poor and disadvantaged and proclaiming the gospel.

Christ said the world will hate Christians for standing with Him.

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And somebody later added, "Be careful they don't hate Him because of Christians."

stevevw said:

So if we are truely living as Christ then Christ church will be hated by the world. But it will also be a light in the darkness for those searching and open to God.

It doesn't matter. My point was there is a significant polarisation and culture war going on. Which is primarily divided along Left and Right, and Conservate/Christian and Progressive/secular.

In fact there are a number of divides. On the world scale its become more polarised between democratic and free nations as opposed to the rising anti democratic powers.

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Which Trump is trying to turn the US into, at the behest of his Christian Nationalist base.

stevevw said:

But this anti democratic influence is infiltrating western nations to compound the already growing polarisations between Left and Right. Hense we see the rising of socialist and Marxist leaning politicians like OAC and now a socialist Mayor.

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AOC is a devout Christian and Mandami is a Shia Muslim with a version of the Ten Commandments tougher and more specific than yours.

stevevw said:

Its a mess.

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BobRyan said:

g908
βάπτισμα βάπτισμα baptisma
The text then says "NOT the washing away of dirt from the flesh" (the waters of baptism) but rather the appeal to God for a clean conscience )such as is the case with a believing adult.

The fact that it is contrasting the washing with water and the appeal to God, shows the image being used is literal baptism

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And just where does the Greek WASHING appear. in 1 Peter 3:21 as I cad see the Greek with less than 2 minutes !!

And where do you see ( the waters of bap[tism ). in. the Greek text. ?????

And you JUST ADDED LITERAL BAPTISM , WHY. ??

dan p

bob121 said:

We’ve all seen it: you ask for testimonies of grace and within five posts someone’s waving Psalm 137:9 or Hitler to prove a point.
The food-fight starts, the original question sinks, and the encouragers log off.

• Do we engage the detour in hopes of gospel witness, or gracefully bow out and let the algorithm bury the mess?
• Any practical filters you use before hitting “reply”?

Share one sentence rule you follow when the trolls arrive.
Grace,
bob121 – Tokyo

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The ignore button is your best friend.

FAITH-IN-HIM said:

How do you determine which parts of the Bible are factual? Is it possible to believe that Jesus is God—born of a virgin, crucified, and resurrected after three days—but doubt stories like Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego walking through fire because it seems physically impossible?

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Does scripture tell you that you have to believe in the latter? Believe in Jesus, trust in the blood and you'll be okay.

2 Thessalonians 3:10-12 NIV
[10] For even when we were with you, we gave you this rule: “The one who is unwilling to work shall not eat.” [11] We hear that some among you are idle and disruptive. They are not busy; they are busybodies. [12] Such people we command and urge in the Lord Jesus Christ to settle down and earn the food they eat.

stevevw said:

I was just trying to work out why Kangaroos are only restricted to certain areas like other animals. Like Australia is similar to Africa in places but does not have elephants for example. Britain does not have koalas.

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Geographic isolation due to natural barriers.

In the case of Australia, it's due to the break-up of Gondawana which started about 150 million years ago and the movement of the continent away from Antarctica and South America.

Australia is biogeographically isolated from most of the rest of the world thanks to the 'Wallace Line'.