RocksInMyHead said:

is not actually what's happening, I'm not seeing the similarities. The biggest, and most important, difference is that a John Doe Summons is - essentially - a form of warrant. The IRS has to go in front of a judge, present their case, and get the summons approved before they can issue it.

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A lot of what the IRS gets is through "administrative summons" which is not through a judge... it's a "monopoly money" version of due process issued, where a supervisor from within the agency is authorizing it (in some cases, an agent can issue their own summons), for reasons that are every bit as judgmental and superficial as the the reasoning behind and ICE raids at certain locations.

"Hey, here's some guys that appear to be well off, have done crypto trades, and sent some money to offshore accounts, I bet if we pulled their financials, we'd find at least a few of them who are cheating on taxes"

vs.

"Hey, here's some guys who appear to be from nationalities that are more likely to have snuck in (statistically), working in an industry and for a company with a track record of hiring undocumented labor, and in a city that's 3 hours away from the border, I bet if we went in there and checked, we'd find at least a few that are here illegally"


...in both cases, the respective agency assumptions would probably be more "right" than people would like to publicly admit.

Oompa Loompa said:

Yes. With the rise of moral and cultural relativism, people no longer see the value of religion.

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It's a natural reaction when one accepts that other people have good reasons for holding different values. You start examining your own.

Vambram said:

It didn't happen.

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I said that Trump campaign manager Paul Manafort admitted to working with Russians.
That happened.
I said that Trump officials met Russians at Trump tower where they were discussing acquiring from Russia dirt on their opponent.
That happened.

Please stop insisting reality is not reality.

Hentenza said:

Ecclesiastes 12:7 then the dust will return to the earth as it was, and the spirit will return to God who gave it. | New American Standard Bible ​

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Hentenza said:

This is about as clear as it gets. The body returns to dust and to the earth while the spirit (soul) returns to God. You can’t deny the plain reading.

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Hentenza you are so right, in that the texts is very clear. However, most of christianity get it wrong including you, sorry. I had too, early in my christian walk. Why are so many deceived on this issue, because most have been mislead from early childhood before they were old enough to study their bibles. Mislead by parents and pastors giving eulogies at funerals.

In your above statement Hentenza, after the word spirit, you insert the word soul, because you and most others think spirit is synonymous with soul. I have been trying to show you it is not, which is not easy when someone gets settled on a belief. So lets look at a few more texts for clarity on what this spirit actually is.

"The body without the spirit is dead" (James 2:26)
"The spirit of God is in my nostrils" (Job 23:3)
"The Lord formed man from the dust of the earth and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and man became a living soul' (Gen 2:7)

It is not the word "soul" that is synonymous with spirit, but rather the phrase "breath of life", according to the bible.

And as I have been sharing with you in past post, a "soul" is the combination of two elements, body + breath of life. Thus a soul is a living individual. Gods Word teaches that we are souls--not that we have souls. Therefore, upon death, a living individual/souls body returns to the earth and the spirit/breath of life returns to God, and the individual/soul ceases to exsist in life and sleeps in the first death until they are called to life again in either the first of second resurrection.

This teaching is affirmed in (Ecc.9:5,6,10; Psalm 115:17)"The living know that they will die, but the dead know nothing...", "The dead do not praise the Lord"

"For David did not acend into the heaven" (Acts 2:29,34)

"Only God is immortal" (1 timothy 6:15,16) The concept of an undying immortal soul is not found in the bible, which teaches that that souls are subject to death.

Jesus called the unconscious state of the dead, sleep in (Jn.11:11-14)

I have brought you and all others who may read this thread to a cross road in your undrerstanding of a soul. Will you continue on the broad road you have been traveling or will you take the less travel road through the narrow gate? Your faith in God's Word or lack thereof, will determine your path.

Blessings

jonojim1337 said:

From Wikipedia:

“No excavations are allowed on the Temple Mount, and no positively identified remains of the destroyed temple have been found.”

May I suggest to you the First temple was never in Palestine.

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That is not what the thread is about, it is about Pharisees.

And I myself never use wiki.

Landon Caeli said:

“People that are against Tariffs are FOOLS! We are now the Richest, Most Respected Country In the World, With Almost No Inflation, and A Record Stock Market Price. 401k’s are Highest EVER. We are taking in Trillions of Dollars.

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Trump should reduce the tariffs. They're causing food prices to rise.

MAGA: Reducing them is a terrible idea. Just listen to Trump.

Donald Trump moved to lower tariffs on food imports, including beef, tomatoes, coffee and bananas, in an executive order on Friday as the White House fights off growing concerns about rising costs. Trump reverses course and cuts tariffs on US food imports

MAGA: Reducing them is a great idea. Just listen to Trump.

"The holiness of sin," "redemption through sin" and "the holy s*tan" are Sabbatean (Jewish satanist) terms. The actively reject the entire holy Torah, but also the entire rabbinical tradition.

Reform Judaism was founded by theistic satanists.

I suspect their longtime involvement in the pride movement, as the rabbinical tradition teaches that gay marriage and that between different kinds(exact meaning debated) was the final straw before the Flood of Noah and that even the worst of the B'nai Noah don't write marriage licenses for man with man. Hence the very meaningful logo.

(I saw a troon rabbi in the Israel times actually quote one of their mottos: "“Kinderlach (children), redemption will only come through transgression,” she[sic] tells them." https://www.timesofisrael.com/from-...film-depicts-journey-of-a-jewish-law-breaker/ )

They believe in forcing the coming of Moshiach (who in Kabbalah is a serpent emerging from the pit to behead Christians and make a "sacred economy only the virtuous will be able to participate in" and their Moshiach's number is 6-6-6.) Filling the world with evil sin badly God is forced to send redemption is a core tenet based on the Talmudic belief Moshiach will come when the world is completely either evil or good.

Christian support for pride might wane if more people realized certain aspects of the movement are meant to goad Him into sending the apocalypse.

RileyG said:

3 pastors for a small congregation? How odd!

What denomination was it, if i may ask? Not to go off topic…

Thank you for your insight!

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I prefer not to say denomination because it is no indictment of them. It could happen any number of places in a shrinking congregation. The setting was a city church in a large city's once thriving neighborhood that had gone seriously downhill and was then infested with prostitution, drugs, and all that comes with it. Most of the former members had moved out and moved on - probably for good reason - all save the diehards who refused to give up. It was sad in one way, yet a few were still doing church in the midst of squalor. So, there was that. For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them.

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I'm glad you are.

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Then you should be perfectly fine with me relying entirely upon GOD for truth instead of other people.

Valletta said:

thousands of denominations

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Typical go-to argument. How many thousands? Tens of? Hundreds of? And where is this listing? And is this listing only believed by whom?

essentialsaltes said:

Deceptive Daily Caller headline. Mayor describes closing stores as one of the ills of private grocery stores, leaving food deserts behind, so her proposal is to create public grocery stores.

"We cannot allow" these ills to affect the people of the city. Hence, an alternative.

Her proposal for a 90-day warning for grocery stores to have mass layoffs only makes sense in the context of grocery store closures.

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Impressive. It normally takes a few posts before these type of threads are 'corrected'.

fhansen said:

Of course, but it's not only about the elect, as you put it. God wants all to repent, all to become the elect, IOW, as Paul made clear in his appeal to the Athenians. Also here in 2 Cor 5:20:
"We are therefore Christ’s ambassadors, as though God were making his appeal through us. We implore you on Christ’s behalf: Be reconciled to God."

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Yes salvation is only for the elect. That scripture is only for the chosen of God

Hi, I'm starting to struggle (after all these months) with the beginnings of emotional blunting regarding my dad's passing.

While my brother calls me and tells me he cries every now and then (I'm not deriding that because that's how I used to be), I'm struggling with a new thing in which I am feeling frustrated by the effects of my dad's words and actions during my life that might have led in part to the stage I am at in my life now and I don't know if it's exactly a lack of forgiveness but a feeling of frustration/anger at the consequences, and it's causing me to not be able to feel the emotions I first did in late May and during the month of June.

I do believe though, that my dad somehow knows the truth now, God has shown him. Same goes for my mom.

Dikaioumenoi said:

Do you have a point?

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LOL. That's the last question you should ever ask me. I believe I make my points very clear and I don't play games.

Dikaioumenoi said:

I've not argued that the text says "they were appointed to believe." They were appointed to eternal life.

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I'm not talking about you making a claim about what the text says. Clearly, everyone can see that the text doesn't explicitly say that they were appointed to believe. Yet, you do believe that they were appointed to believe because you believe that those who are appointed to eternal life are also appointed to believe. That is what I'm addressing, which is what I believe to be your false interpretation of Acts 13:48.

Dikaioumenoi said:

But their act of belief flows from that prior divine appointment, not the other way around.

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And there it is Why do you act as if you don't understand my point? What I'm addressing is what you said right here. I disagree completely with your statement here.

Dikaioumenoi said:

You can't dispute that grammatically.

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LOL. Yes, I can and I have. Don't try to tell me what I can or can't do.

Dikaioumenoi said:

Your best bet for defending your view would be to argue for the middle reading of τεταγμένοι, not a reversal of the syntax.

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I'm arguing using scripture to interpret scripture. I don't need to buy into your "middle reading" nonsense. Your interpretation of Acts 13:48 contradicts a lot of other scripture. Does that matter to you or do you think it's acceptable to interpret a verse in isolation from the rest of scripture?

Dikaioumenoi said:

This comment of yours was offered in response to a straightforward grammatical analysis of Acts 13:48, not a theological argument. Labeling the grammar as "wrong" or saying it "doesn't line up with Scripture" tacitly concedes that your theology, rather than the text itself, is your standard of truth. Luke's syntax is painfully clear: the entire relative clause ὅσοι ἦσαν τεταγμένοι εἰς ζωὴν αἰώνιον ("as many as had been appointed to eternal life") functions as a single substantival unit and occupies the subject position of ἐπίστευσαν ("believed"). It cannot mean "those who believed were appointed." That reading is grammatically indefensible, as it would require ἐπίστευσαν to lie within the relative clause as its predicate, reversing the syntactic relationship. Luke wrote the opposite: the appointed ones [subject] believe [predicate]. The Greek allows no other reading.

Whatever your view of the rest of Scripture, it must be reconciled with the grammar Luke actually wrote. If it cannot, then it is your interpretation, not my presentation of the syntax, that produces the apparent contradiction.

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You really need to humble yourself. You have deluded yourself into thinking that you are the ultimate Greek grammar expert of the entire world. You're making me nauseous here with your boring nonsense. I don't care what you say, the verse is up for interpretation and the meaning of it is not based on our understanding of the Greek grammar. And I certainly don't trust that your understanding of that is correct, anyway, since you are clearly very doctrinally biased. There is nothing in the text to demand that those who were appointed to eternal life were also appointed to believe by God because of being appointed by God to eternal life. If you actually read ALL of scripture, it should be clear that God wants all people to be saved and wants all people to choose to repent and believe or not. You need to question yourself and your understanding of the grammar and of scripture itself when you interpretation of any given verse or passages contradicts many other verses or passages.

Dikaioumenoi said:

The irony is hard to miss. You ask whether it matters to me not to contradict other Scripture, yet you dismiss the plain grammar of the verse because it contradicts your interpretation of other passages. Which is more likely at fault: Luke's Greek, or your reading of the rest of the Bible?

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Your doctrine is VERY CLEARLY false, so the way you're talking here means nothing to me. I know the truth and your doctrine is not the truth. I can prove that with ALL of scripture. We can't just base everyone on one verse. But, our interpretation of that verse needs to be able to be reconciled with all of scripture and you cannot do that with your interpretation of Acts 13:48. No amount of talk about the Greek grammar can change that.

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I am letting Luke speak for himself; you are imposing your system over his syntax. If anyone is forcing a contradiction here, it is not me.

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Wrong. Your argument is not convincing even a tiny bit to me even though I know you have convinced yourself because of what you want to believe.

Dikaioumenoi said:

The issue isn't whether humans make choices. We obviously do. The question is why some believe while others do not.

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And your answer doesn't line up with the scriptures which teach that God graciously offers salvation to all people, implying that all people are capable of accepting it, or else He would not offer it or His offer would not be genuine.

Ehh I think that’s beside the point. My point was, aligning your joints and posture = good. This is the same as having a good balance. My biggest concern is that chiropractics as a philosophy has you rely on the “therapist” rather than being aware of your own body and fixing it yourself, and they also tend to overdo it because they want to create the impression that they are giving you treatment.

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essentialsaltes said:

Trump to ask DOJ to probe Jeffrey Epstein involvement with Clinton, JPMorgan, Summers​

President Donald Trump on Friday asked the Department of Justice to investigate relationships between notorious sex offender Jeffrey Epstein and former President Bill Clinton, JPMorgan Chase, former Treasury Secretary Larry Summers, billionaire tech investor Reid Hoffman, and others.

Attorney General Pam Bondi said later Friday that she had appointed Jay Clayton, the U.S. attorney for the Southern District of New York, to lead the investigation.

Trump’s statement comes as he faces renewed pressure over his own past friendship with Epstein, who killed himself in August 2019 after being arrested on child sex trafficking charges.

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Well it’s a good thing the president isn’t focused on keeping this “nothingburger” going…

I am at a point where I would rather see character in any leadership rather than my political views. Here at the local city and county level, or even place of work, I can get behind someone I know and trust even if I do not agree with them.

And I am concerned about the future of our society. How do we promote the development of character in our children? Examples? Role models? Television and social media? There are so many factors and possibilities.

Dale said:

Is President Trump Corrupt?

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Is he in politics?

If the the answer to that question is "Yes", then my answer is "probably, at least to some degree"

SabbathBlessings said:

There is no need to re-interpret what God spoke, it’s very plain all we need to do is believe.

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It’s not a matter of reinterpreting the scriptures, it a matter of interpreting them using sound hermeneutical practices which is something that has led to your demise. Both literary and historical contexts are important. You continue to use scriptures that is outside of both.

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Like I said, we have been through this too many times, its in God's hands. I am not interested in further discussion, its not fruitful, but I wish you well.

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So I guess you don’t have a verse that shows that the law was given to the church? Why not? After all, your argument relies on the church being given the law directly, right?

In some ways the vigilante self-professed "pedophile hunters" present just as big of a public safety concern as actual pedophiles.

"Vigilante justice", while swifter and more satisfying to some than actual justice, is often prone to mistakes and rash decision making.

There have been plenty of stories about those guys thinking they got the right person (based on descriptions that aren't detailed enough to be "for sure" IDs to make sure they got the right guy), and then committing what's tantamount to a gang assault on the wrong person.

They've also publicly harassed the wrong people in stores and restaurants yelling "this guy was planning on having sex with <insert age here> girl", and then find out after the fact that smeared someone in public for no reason.


Then there's other stories where the so-called "hunters" have become the hunted.

I'll see if I can find the story....pretty sure I've linked it on here before.

But there was that one so-called "predator hunter" who "operated" in Ohio and Michigan, and was famous for uploading videos of him and his buddies cornering a person in a public place, and then slapping them on camera, and when the people would threaten to call police he'd say "that's fine, when the cops get here I'll take that charge, you take the pedophilia charge"

Well, one day they got the wrong person, that person didn't take kindly to being surrounded in a parking lot 4-to-1, being called a "pedo" and getting slapped, and decided to exercise a little vigilante justice of his own and shot the guy (I believe he ended up dying), and wounded one of his "henchmen".

timf said:

Eugenics was popular in the 1930s. It didn't work out well for Germany.

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Darwinists like Reginald Punnett showed that the entire idea was mathematically flawed. It would take hundreds of years of Draconian control to remove harmful recessives from the population.

Abraham1st said:

We enter in by belief that God ceased from HIs works, and declared a holy day/sanctification/all was very good, Christ did the works of the Father then ceased from HIs works, sanctified Himself that we may also be sanctified by the truth.


Genesis 2:3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.

John 17:19 And for their sakes I sanctify myself, that they also might be sanctified through the truth.

2 Thessalonians 2:13 But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:
14 Whereunto he called you by our gospel, to the obtaining of the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ.

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the ONLY VERSE that. concerns REST is. in. Heb 4;9. ,B There remains a REST for the PEOPLE of God and that means , Israel!!

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Always in His Presence said:

It means EXACTLY what it says - our works - the things we do, what we say - are judged. We are saved.

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We are indeed saved but only as through fire
What does being saved only as through fire mean to you?

Always in His Presence said:

Romans 10:8 But what does it say? “The word is near you, in your mouth and in your heart” (that is, the word of faith which we preach): 9 that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved. 10 For with the heart one believes unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. 11 For the Scripture says, “Whoever believes on Him will not be put to shame.” 12 For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek, for the same Lord over all is rich to all who call upon Him. 13 For “whoever calls on the name of the Lord shall be saved.”​

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What does that mean? Does it mean after we leaving this life we are judged and then might have to spend sometime in jail (purgatory) until we get our act right? or does it mean exactly what it says?

Matt 16:27 For the Son of Man will come in the glory of His Father with His angels, and then He will reward each according to his works.​

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One time - not after a jail sentence - one time.

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It means we are saved. But being saved does not mean that we will not experience God’s discipline. Isn’t the author of Hebrews writing to “saved” people when he says that when God disciplines us he is treating us like sons? Being saved does not mean we will not be disciplined by God to perfect us in holiness. Being completely sanctified is not optional.

If you leave this life and you are not perfected in holiness, not sure I would call it ‘jail’. But if you have not yet become “righteous made perfect” (Hebrews 12:23), God still has some work to do with you.

So say for example, Mr. X has held a grudge against his brother for many years due to a perceived wrong. Mr. X dies still holding that grudge. He hates his brother.

Do you really think Christ is going to say “Mr. X, you’re dead now so regardless of what sin you’re still attached to, heaven is open to you? Keep your grudge, hold on to your hatred because all the saved are welcome no matter what sin you bring with you?”

Or is Christ going to say we still have a little work to do don’t we? About that grudge….”

prodromos said:

The person, not the book.

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But the book of Jashar is. Job 10:13