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Dreyma · 2025-11-27T17:43:53-0600

Andrewn said:
A hellish experience of some sort likely exists. The important question is whether it is endless / everlasting as commonly taught.

It is unlikely that a just God would punish limited people with unlimited torture.

I hope you're right. That does seem more just to me.

Tom D · 2025-11-27T17:42:10-0600

Ruggero suddenly attacked Fred, who froze in fear until memories of his father’s tales of courage gave him strength. He fought back, but Ruggero’s power was overwhelming. Just as Fred faltered, his neighbor Mr. Russo rushed in, giving Fred the chance to escape.

When Fred returned to that spot, his dog was gone.

The next day Ruggero sent a letter: Enzo’s safe return in exchange for Fred’s father’s book. Fred refused, and a tense exchange of letters followed.

Ruggero eventually returned Enzo, but the dog was weak and sickly. Ciara, tending to him, soon fell ill too. A black envelope revealed Ruggero’s cruel plan—Enzo had been infected, and only the book could buy the antidote.

Guojing · 2025-11-27T17:41:36-0600

sovereigngrace said:
Unlike you, they all believed in the finished work of Christ. They had no faith in redundant sacrifice system or superseded feasts. The thinking behind his actions is shown in 1 Corinthians 9:20-21 for all to see. None could doubt his overriding desire to see his fellow-religionists saved. He testified: “And unto the Jews I became as a Jew, that I might gain the Jews; to them that are under the law, as under the law, that I might gain them that are under the law; To them that are without law, as without law, (being not without law to God, but under the law to Christ,) that I might gain them that are without law.”

I don’t see any deeper a meaning than this. Paul writings make it clear that the old covenant arrangement has been superseded by Christ and the new covenant. There was a religious / political aspect to the sacrifices that all Israelis were bound to as Jews in order to maintain their Jewish privileges. I believe Paul yielded to the political requirements – in honoring the God-ordained authorities – but he made no spiritual submission to these abolished rites. I don't believe he recognized the expiatory significance of the sacrifices, as he finally released himself from the religious Judaic baggage he was bound with. He would not have recognized the intercession of the high priest with God for the people because he had a real, perfect and eternal great High Priest (Hebrews 5:6, 9, Hebrews 4:14).

The early Christian Church was under extreme persecution after the earthly ministry of Jesus Christ. Most Jews never embraced Christ but remained committed to their orthodox Jewish religion will all its elaborate rites and laws. The Jews that had accepted the Messiah were still cultural Jews. Their social and religious life revolved around the temple.

As has been said above, James exhorted Paul to show the Jews his Jewishness. After all, culturally and politically, the early Church in Jerusalem were still Jews. They were bound by many customs that would later be abolished.

It’s easier to just accept that the resurrected Christ never told any of them that the law is now optional (Matthew 28:20)

But if you prefer this convoluted thinking to reconcile what you believe, with what went down in acts, be my guest

Tom D · 2025-11-27T17:36:31-0600

Happy Thanksgiving !

AV1611VET · 2025-11-27T17:13:59-0600

rambot said:
Did your post MEAN anything to what I wrote? Were you trying to address it? I'm not sure if you're trying to obfuscate your point so I'll just play along.

Sorry.

I was thinking of Kent Hovind's video as to where God came from.

Nevermind.

Tom D · 2025-11-27T17:10:51-0600

Happy Thanksgiving !!

Belk · 2025-11-27T17:05:48-0600

Postvieww said:
Wrong !!! The unbiased military training is not comparable to leadership who by their history of berating Trump cannot possibly have totally unbiased motives.

Wrong again! These partisan politicians have repeatedly shown their biases. It appears to me it is you who is far from any reality on this topic.

Ipsie dixit bores me. If you have reasoning I'll listen. I have no desire to watch you yell at the clouds.

FreeinChrist · 2025-11-27T17:05:26-0600

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Fervent · 2025-11-27T17:02:32-0600

ChubbyCherub said:
Thank you, this makes sense.

You're welcome, and I would appreciate if you continue to pray for/with me.

ChubbyCherub said:
My dad has never read the bible and goes off his understanding of what he's been told and his relationship with Jesus, as he puts it.

A lot of the most respectable saints were illiterate, in fact it's very likely that Peter was illiterate and he very likely had strong influence over several books of the NT in Mark, and 1 and 2 Peter.

ChubbyCherub said:
I guess I always thought there was a danger in relying on others to read the bible to you, interpret it for you etc but he doesn't read above a third grade level (if that) so he tries his best.

There can be a danger in that, but there's also a danger in someone without sufficient background reading things into the Bible that are contrary to what the original authors intended. God gives us teachers, and not everyone needs to be self-taught. It's good to verify if you have the time and academic acumen, but we all put faith in the leaders God puts in our paths in some way.

ChubbyCherub said:
People seem to read the same passages and still come to different conclusions. It's a minefield, really!

Yeah, though there's usually more harmony than is often realized since most of the debates are over how to speak of mysteries rather than substantive differences that alter how we live as Christians. That is, of course, not counting people who twist verses to suit their agenda/theological position without concern for what is in the text. With sufficient negotiation, i've found that there are ways to foster agreements across many theological lines.

ChubbyCherub said:
I'm prone to research, overthinking, examination, analysis, questions, thinking, shifting in thinking, reassessing, reconfirming etc. So, I see both views. I appreciate your help here!

I am a thought-tinkerer as well, which gets me into trouble from time to time. As a suggestion, to facilitate your research on Biblical topics there are a couple of books i'd recommend. First and foremost is Exegetical Fallacies by D.A. Carson. If you want more suggestions, let me know. That one should be a good starting point for thinking about Biblical interpretation and the various traps that we can fall into when we read and interpret the Bible.

joymercy · 2025-11-27T16:49:16-0600

Vambram said:
Please pray for those 2 soldiers.

CoreyD · 2025-11-27T16:36:08-0600

Bobthebomb said:
Looks like I am lost.
I have been searching for a while subconsciously, which is how I found my way here.
Tonight was too much, I asked God and Jesus into my life.

Nothing. I feel more alone than ever.

If you are lost, then brighten up, because you only have one thing to worry about.

Why brighten up?
A lost sheep is never abandoned by the shepherd.

How do we know that no lost sheep is ever abandoned?
Luke 15:3-5
3 And so He told them this parable, saying, 4 “What man among you, if he has a hundred sheep and has lost one of them, does not leave the other ninety-nine in the [a]open pasture and go after the one that is lost, until he finds it? 5 And when he has found it, he puts it on his shoulders, rejoicing.
Please read Ezekiel 34:6-16, and capture that beautiful word picture.

So, if you are a lost sheep, and you want to be found, don't bleat too loudly. Wolves have acute hearing.

Just do what sheep do... beside bleat loudly for their shepherd.
Yes, praying is important, but also, remember this...
John 10:27

My sheep listen to My voice; I know them, and they follow Me.

Please read Jesus' beautiful illustration at John 10:2-30.

If you are one of Jesus sheep, you know his voice, so all you need to do, is listen out for it, and when you hear it, follow the sound.
When he calls, and you listen, and follow, then he will put you on his shoulders and carry you. Then lead you into the sheep pen.

So, three things to remember...

Don't be downhearted or panic.
Remember the shepherd is searching for you.
Pray silently, and listen for the call of the shepherd.

How does Jesus call though? "Sheep... Sheep... Where are you?"?

In the same way God searched for the lost sheep of Israel. Please read Matthew 10:5, 6
Compare Matthew 28:19, 20 and Romans 10:13-15

Hank77 · 2025-11-27T16:32:29-0600

Aryeh Jay said:
Just because a illegitimate court appointed by socialists with an anti American bias refuses to hear the case dosen't make it frivolous.

You might want to do a little homework before making statements like this one.

HIM · 2025-11-27T16:26:10-0600

CLEEB said:
Everyone before Moses knew nothing about the Ten Commandments.

That is not true.
Romans 1:19 Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.
Romans 1:20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse

Romans 2:13 (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.
Romans 2:14 For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves:
Romans 2:15 Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another.
Romans 2:16 In the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ according to my gospel.

Akita Suggagaki · 2025-11-27T16:25:52-0600

Say it aint so said:
The Trump admin doesn't even bother to hide their blatant intent of a coverup.

You expect consistency?

Akita Suggagaki · 2025-11-27T16:21:29-0600

tonychanyt said:
if we read the passage literally,

Why presume this is necessary?

Daniel9v9 · 2025-11-27T15:57:14-0600

Hey, 1 & 2 Peter with Kretzmann's commentary with added ESV tooltips, notes, and cross-references has been added to Luco!

1 Peter – Luco

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2 Peter – Luco

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Blessings!

BCP1928 · 2025-11-27T15:49:11-0600

It's not our fault that Pellew is too lazy to go out and get another job. If he can't get one that overpays him like the last, maybe he should get a second job as well. Happy Thanksgiving, Pellew. Get off your lazy butt and take another job--you're making MAGA look bad.

BCP1928 · 2025-11-27T15:45:45-0600

rjs330 said:
No its not. Gender is sex. You can substitute sex for ANYTHING gender related and it would mean the same thing.

Even in your examples.
Emotional state of what?
Cognitive state of what?
Societal expectations of what?

Do you really believe that your emotional reactions, your ways of thinking about things that happen to you are identical to a man's? Do you really believe that your emotional reactions, your way of thinking about things that happen to you are not subject to gendered categorization by society?

Strong in Him · 2025-11-27T15:41:26-0600

Apple Sky said:
And you don't ?

No, I don't know. But I have no reason to believe they would lie.
Neither do you; that's the point.

I doubt you even know ONE person who is/has been employed by NASA. If you did, you would have an idea of how long they'd trained to get to where they are; their qualifications and so on.
Your massive generalisations are as ridiculous as saying, "all Scottish people are mean", "all Americans eat hamburgers". "Don't trust the Germans" and so on. If you said any of those, as a serious comment, you'd be in trouble.

timothyu · 2025-11-27T15:34:11-0600

What remains of what we have learned here if nothing else is remembered? Obviously, if we are considered worthy of the Kingdom, then it must be goodness alone. What kind of beings will we then be having no concept of this life? What then of what we call religion is even relevant if we are but a worthy product of this life? Is how we live now, our character, not more important than following house rules?

Isaiah 65:17 For behold, I create new heavens and a new earth, and the former things shall not be remembered or come into mind.

Ecclesiastes 1:11 There is no remembrance of former things, nor will there be any remembrance of later things yet to be among those who come after.

iluvatar5150 · 2025-11-27T14:53:01-0600

Oompa Loompa said:
I have read it.

So, what then? You failed to comprehend it and how it didn't support your claim? I'm not sure how that's any better.

And yes, it comes from an incredibly left leaning source that fabricated nonsense. The only sources that liberals trust. If it was an actual source that was honest, liberals would immediately dismiss it as propaganda.

lol, yes, it's us big bad libs' fault that you failed here. Our standards for evidence are so stringent that you were compelled to post an official DOJ report that didn't remotely support the claim you were using it to make. I'm sorry. I'll be more permissive in the future. Feel free to link to Washington Beacon or Breitbart or Infowars in the future.

Remind me how many young black kids have been murdered since Trump sent the national guard. Not that it matters to anyone but Trump and MAGA conservatives.

Why don't you tell me how many there have been?

Oh wait, I did that leg work for you, too: According to the MPD, there have been 62 murders in DC since he sent in the NG and 132 in all of 2025. It's been 6 months since the guard was sent in and 62 in six months and 61 in the preceding 5 months, so that would appear to represent a modest decline. But that modest decline is over a fairly short time window and was that's set against a murder rate that, as your link pointed out, was already declining sharply.

So did his NG deployment help? Maybe a little. Though if you want to get really cynical with numbers - if you credit him with all of that decline I just mentioned, and if you assume that this NG attack wouldn't have happened without this deployment, then if they die, that'd be enough to wipe out at a quarter of that difference.

Landon Caeli · 2025-11-27T14:46:27-0600

Hans Blaster said:
You can stop demonstrating your lack of knowledge any time. The "AI" usage gives it away.

These things happened 10+ generations ago.

"Fighting Muslims" isn't the kind of thing that could leave some sort of memory to "fight muslims" again in the future.

Then it's spiritual.

SavedByGrace3 · 2025-11-27T14:38:21-0600

The opposite of murmuring is giving thanks. I believe that giving thanks is the ultimate form of faith. :piripi:

No murmuring!
:tantrum:

HAPPY THANKSGIVING!

RamiC · 2025-11-27T14:28:57-0600

ChubbyCherub said:
Thank you. The little known fact was certainly not known by me so I appreciate you for telling me!

Anglican here, we have a different format for confession to a Priest than Catholics, and we have the option of confession to any church member. We also have a similar prayer to the one concretecamper posted above, before ever service with Holy Communion.

This post is not intended to tell anyone how to confess correctly, or that their different way is wrong.

Oompa Loompa · 2025-11-27T14:17:20-0600

Belk said:
Like "Alligator Alcatraz"?

Sure. Or some maximum security prison in El Salvador.

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