I think what they will find will shock the US. The ideology that was pushed that caused so much insanity internally as far as unreal ideas has to have spread beyond the borders.

If its all about identity and protecting people based on identity to garner support then there will be corruption no doubt about that.

The main concern I've got is this. What does how we speak resound to to a person whose background isn't Christian faith? We would be speaking in a manner that's foreign. What does that convey about being a Christian?

Lots of people from my past would respond to this question with what I'd call righteous indignation. Remember, though, the ONLY people Jesus got angry with were the religious authorities and teachers of the day. They were indulging themselves in self-serving practices that blocked the public from access to God.

And I'd ask those of you who object to my objection to take a step back and seriously think about this. We're having enough trouble as it is reaching the people God calls us to reach. What do you think the message is that we're sending when we speak in KJ English? And talk about pillowing our heads in slumber and so forth? What the heck is that, anyway, to those outside our circles?

I grew as a person of faith in an environment that was full of thees and thous, church biuldings being called the house of God (incorrect at best, hersey otherwise) and all the trappings of the late 19th century holiness movement.

What do you think those trappings do to people who are hit with them out of the blue today? I'd suggest they either drive people away, or deliver a message to them that the truth is somehow bound up in archaic expression and practices. You can't be a real Christian unless you behave this way, so you've got to become something artificial.

I know, I know that isn't the intended outcome of people who take pleasure in acting and speaking this way. But it matters. We've only got so much time to reach people. Let's actively reject anything that gets in the way. What would the argument be to keep doing this stuff? Seriously, in light of all this, what could it possibly be?

Yarddog said:

The border was as safe under Biden as it was under Trump. Dishonesty seems to be a problem with most politicians.

What??? That policy was continued and expanded under the Biden administration, to include about 2000 US Citizens.


I don't doubt that a large number of children are trafficked but Trump shouldn't lie about those numbers.

Maybe they should ask Homan, since he was Deputy Director under Trump's 1st term and when many of the missing children disappeared.

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Jeesuspelastaa said:

The old covenant ended at the cross, where the new covenant began through the blood of Jesus. “This cup is the new testament in my blood, which is shed for you.” Luke 22:20. The new covenant was made with the descendants of Jacob. But later, into THAT covenant, we who have turned from paganism also became included. This is the covenant mentioned in Jeremiah 31:31-33.

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God's character traits are eternal, so any instructions that God has ever given for how to know Him by being in His likeness by through embodying His character traits are eternally and cumulatively valid regardless of which covenant someone is under. For example, God's righteousness is eternal (Psalms 119:142), therefore all of God's righteous laws are also eternal (Psalms 119:160). It was in accordance with God's righteousness to be a doer of charity before He made any covenants with man, so that is an eternally valid way to know God regardless of which covenant someone is under. Sin was in the world before the law was given (Romans 5:13), so there were no actions that became righteous or unrighteous when the law was given, but rather it revealed what has always been and will always be the way to do that. The New Covenant is made with the same God with the same eternal character traits and therefore the same eternal and cumulatively valid instructions for how to embody His character traits (Jeremiah 31:33, Ezekiel 36:26-27).

In Matthew 4:15-23, Jesus began his ministry with the Gospel message to repent for the Kingdom of God is at hand, which was a light to the Gentiles, and the Torah was how his audience knew what sin is (Romans 3:20), so repenting from our disobedience to it is a central part of the Gospel of the Kingdom/Grace. Jesus also set a sinless example for us to follow of how to walk in obedience to the Torah and we are told to follow his example (1 Peter 2:21-22) and that those who are in Christ are obligated to walk in the same way that he walked (1 John 2:6). So Jesus seen this ministry teaching his followers to obey the Torah by word and by example, and in Matthew 28:16-20, he commissioned his disciples to teach to the nations everything that he taught them, so did not intended for what he spent his ministry teaching to be nullified with is death. In Titus 2:14, Jesus gave himself to redeem us from all lawlessness and to purify for himself a people of his own possession who are zealous for doing good works, so the way to believe in the Gospel that Jesus spent his ministry teaching and in what he accomplished through the cross us by repenting and becoming zealous for doing good works in obedience to the Torah (Acts 21:20). The reason why Jesus established the New Covenant was not to nullify anything that he spent his ministry teaching, in order to nullify what he accomplished through the cross, or so that we could continue to have the same lawlessness that caused the New Covenant to be needed in the first place, but rather the New Covenant still involves following the Torah (Jeremiah 31:33, Ezekiel 36:26-27).

In Galatian 3:16-19, there is a principle that new covenants do not nullify the promises of covenants that have already been ratified, so all of God's covenants and eternally and cumulatively valid. One thing can only make another thing obsolete to the extent that it has cumulative functionality, so a computer makes a typewriter obsolete but does not make a plow obsolete, which mens that if the New Covenant were something different that was not cumulative with the Mosaic Covenant, then it could not make it obsolete. So the New Covenant still involves following the Torah (Hebrews 8:10) plus it is cumulatively based on better promises and has a superior mediator (Hebrews 8:6). The fault that God found with he Mosaic Covenant was not with the Torah but with the people for not continuing in their covenant, so the solution to the problem was not to do away with the Torah but to do away with what was hindering us from obeying it. This is why the New Covenant involves God sending His Son to free us from sin so that we might be free to meet the righteous requirement of the Torah (Romans 8:3-4) and God putting the Torah in our minds, writing it on our hearts, taking away our hearts of stone, giving us hearts of flesh, and sending His Spirit to lead us in obedience to the Torah (Jeremiah 31:33, Ezekiel 36:26-27).

In Deuteronomy 30, it forms the basis for the New Covenant by prophesying about a time when the Israelites would return from exile, God would circumcise their hearts, and they would return to obedience to the Torah, which is what the context of Jeremiah 31:33 and Ezekiel 36:26-27 is in regard to.

If God saved the Israelites out of bondage in Egypt in order to put them under bondage to the Torah, then it would be for bondage that God sets us free, however, Galatians 5:1 says that it is for freedom that God sets us free. In Psalms 119:142, the Torah is truth, and in John 8:31-36, it is the transgression of the Torah that puts us into bondage while the truth sets us free. Moreover, the Torah came through the line of the free woman, so that should impact how to correctly understand Galatians 4:21-31.

In Acts 15:6-7, Peter argued that Gentiles hard heart and believed the Gospel message, which calls for our obedience to the Torah (Matthew 4:15-23). so he was agreeing with the Pharisees from long the believers in Acts 15:5. Likewise, in Acts 15:8-9, Peter argued that Gentiles had received the Spirit and had their hearts cleanse, so he was again affirming that Gentiles should obey the Torah (Ezekiel 36:26-27). It is contradictory to treat Acts 15:19-21 as containing an exhaustive list for mature believers in order to limit which laws Gentiles should follow while also treating it as being an non-exhaustive list by taking the position that there are obviously other laws that Gentiles should follow. It was not given as an exhaustive list for mature believers but as a list intended to avoid making things too difficult for new believers, which they excused with the expectation that Gentiles would continue to learn about how to obey Moses by hearing him taught every Sabbath in the synagogues.

In Ephesians 2:11-22, Gentiles were at one time separated from Christ, alienated from Israel and strangers to the covenants of promise, and without hope and God in this world, all of which is in accordance with Gentiles at one time not being doers of the Torah, but through faith in Christ all of that is no longer true in that Gentiles are no longer strangers or aliens but are fellow citizens of Israel along with the saints in the household of God, all of which is in accordance with Gentiles becoming doers of the Torah.

In Psalms 40:8, it again supports obedience to the Torah.

In James 2:1-11, we we break any law and become a lawbreaker, then we need to repent and to return to obedience, which is what James was encouraging them to do.

"To fulfill the law" means "to cause God's will (as made known in the law) to be obeyed as it should be" (NAS Greek Lexicon: pleroo), so Jesus fulfilled the Torah by teaching us how to correctly obey it.

In Galatians 3:10, Paul said that cursed is everyone who does not continue to do everything in the Book of the Law, so we should continue to do everything in the Book of the Law.

In John 7:19, the fact that the people that Jesus was speaking to do not keep the law does not mean that no one has been able to keep it, but rather there are many people who did keep it such as with those in Joshua 22:1-3 or Luke 1:5-6.

God wanted His children to repent and to return to obedience to the Torah all throughout the Bible and even Jesus began his ministry with that Gospel message, so it would be absurd to interpret Galatians 5:4 as Paul warning against obeying God and saying that we will be cut off from Christ if we repent and believe the Gospel of Christ. In Psalms 119:29-30, he wanted to put false ways far from him, for God to be gracious to him by teaching him to obey the Torah, and he chose the way of faith by setting it before him, so this has always been the one and only way of salvation by grace through faith, this is what it means to be under grace, and it would again be absurd to interpret this as him wanting God to be gracious to him by teaching him how to fall from grace, so you are not correctly identifying what Paul was speaking against in this passage.

In Romans 10:5-8, Paul referred to Deuteronomy 30 as the word of faith that we proclaim in regard to proclaiming that the Torah is not too difficult for us to keep and that obedience to it brings life and a blessing while disobedience brings death and a curse, so choose life!

Everything in the Torah is either in regard to how to love God or how to love our neighbor, which is why Jesus said in Matthew 22:36-40 that those are the greatest two commandments and that all of the other commandments hang on them, so the position that we should obey the greater two commandments is also the position that we should obey the rest of the Torah and love is not doing something that is not in accordance with the Torah.

You are blatantly using Isaiah 1:14 out of context. Do you also think that Isaiah 1:15 means that we shouldn't pray?

In Romans 7:21-8:7, Paul delighted in obeying the Torah and served it with his mind in contrast with the law of sin, which was working within his members to cause him not to do the good tha the wanted to do, which was waging war against the law of his mind, which he served with his flesh, which held him captive, and which the law of the Spirit has free us from. Moreover, Paul contrasted those who walk in the Spirit with those who have minds set on the flesh who are enemies of God who refuse to submit to the Torah. In Galatians 5:16-23, Paul contrasted the desires of the flesh with the desires of the Spirit and everything that he listed as works of the flesh that are against the Spirit are also against the Torah while all of the fruits of the Spirit are in accordance with it. The desires of the flesh causing us not to do the good that we want to do is how Paul described his struggle with the law of sin, which the Law of the Spirit has freed us from, so that is the law that we are not under when we are led by the Spirit. The Torah was given by God and the Spirit is God, so it would be contradictory to interpret Galatians 5:18 as saying that we are not led by God when we are led by God. We need to die to the law of sin in order to be free to obey the Torah, not the other way around.

Christ lived in obedience to the Torah, so that is also the way that we live when he is living in us (Galatians 2:19-20). Grace and truth came through Jesus began he seent his ministry teaching us to obey the Torah by word and by example. In Matthew 11:28-30, Jesus was inviting people to come to him for rest and to learn from him, not inviting people to come to him for rest instead of learning from his example. Moreover, by Jesus saying that we would find rest for our souls, he was referencing Jeremiah 6:16-19, where the Torah is described as the good way where we will find rest for our souls, but they did not want to walk in it. In Hebrews 3:18-19, they did not enter into God's rest because of their disobedience/unbelief, and in Ezekiel 20:13, the greatly profaned God's Sabbaths, so you should not think that you can have the same disobedience to the Torah that prevented the Israelites from entering into God's rest and that it will go differently for you. In Hebrews 4:9-11, there remains a Sabbath rest for the people of God, we should rest from our work as God rested from his, and we should be careful to enter into that rest so that no one might fall away by the same sort of disobedience, so we should continue to keep the Sabbath holy.

In Romans 14:1, the topic of the chapter is in regard to how to handle disputable matters of opinion in which God has given no command, not in regard to whether followers of God should follow God, so nothing in the chapter should be interpreted as speaking against following God. Paul did not mention the Sabbath anywhere in Romans 14 precisely because it had nothing to do with the topic tha the wars discussing.

⭐ THE VERSE: “At night it appears … like a man”​

In 1 Enoch 78:17, the Ethiopic reads (in most manuscripts):

“At night it appears every twenty (days) like a man,
and at daytime like the sky because there is nothing else in it except its light.”

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This sentence contains two ideas:

1. “At night it appears … like a man.”
2. During the day it looks like the sky (i.e., invisible).

So yes — the text does describe the moon as showing a human-like face.

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⭐ WHAT DOES “LIKE A MAN” REFER TO?​

Assuming the text is describing real lunar appearance:

✔ It refers to the common visual impression that the full moon shows a face.​

Ancient cultures noticed:

• The darker maria (lunar seas)
• The brighter highlands
• The arrangement looks like two eyes, a nose, and a mouth

This is so universal that:

• Europeans called it the Man in the Moon
• Jews sometimes said “the face of the moon”
• Mesopotamians noted markings on the moon
• Chinese saw a rabbit; others saw a man
• Romans saw “the face of Selene”

Enoch 78:17 matches this universal observation.

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⭐ WHY “EVERY TWENTY DAYS”?​

The text says:

“every twenty (days) like a man”

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This likely refers to the part of the lunar cycle where the moon’s illuminated portion resembles a face — this would be:

• Waxing gibbous → full moon → waning gibbous

That segment lasts roughly 20 days (about two-thirds of the lunar month).


So the text is saying:

✔ During the part of the month when the moon is mostly lit, its markings resemble a human face.​

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⭐ IS THIS A LITERAL DESCRIPTION?​

If we assume nothing in 1 Enoch is fictional, then:

✔ The text is reporting exactly what humans still see today —​

the facial-like pattern on the lunar near side.


This is not symbolic.
This is observational astronomy.

BCP1928 said:

And now cience is trying to discovered what that event looked like from our side of things.

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Yes thats how science began. To discover how Gods creation worked and was manifested to us.

But it seems the investigation to understand and describe Gods creation has become the creator itself. Gods creation is being used as the creator itself. The nature of Gods creation is itself being made the god so that God can be ommitted.

The strange thing is if God is the creator then this itself tells us that science cannot figure out what created Gods creation because, well its God and not His creation.

Science will have to admit it will never work this out and all its doing is describing Gods supernatural creation up to a certain point within that human made concept of methological naturalism.

timothyu said:

I would change that to the nations identity and culture that it grew from scratch

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Well yes. Perhaps not from scratch. It drew from a range of ideas like Christianity and Enlighenment and the fundemental truth principles of Rule of Law and the freedoms we have come to know.

But it seems these ideas are clashing with other beliefs and ideas. All I know is that for any nation to survive it has to be united in some way. Thats usually belief and the culture and traditions that nation first identified as its unique way of being.

So I agree national identity is vital. It seems all sorts of different identities are fighting for truth and supremecy.

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Just a couple of inconsistencies

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You mean like flights between Sydney and Santiago being shorter than flights between Sydney and Los Angeles? Please explain how that works on your flat earth.

Christsfreeservant said:

I got on YouTube today, and I clicked on a link to a particular church’s Sunday gathering, and I was immediately struck in my spirit by the shirt the pastor was wearing in front of his congregation. The shirt read: “The Boys Are Back in Town!” And underneath that was, “Merry Christmas!” And the caricature was of Jesus Christ and Santa Claus together on a sleigh riding through the air. Santa was in front, and Jesus Christ was pictured further back and partially behind him. Both were laughing. And the caricature of Jesus had his arms out at the side, and Santa’s arms were lifted upward.

View attachment 374170And I was appalled! What blasphemy! It upset me to the core! How could a “man of God” who pastors a church congregation wear such a shirt? And then I recalled a writing the Lord had given me originally in 2018 titled “Christ’s Dismissal,” which I will share parts of here with some additional comments added. For it really helps to explain why I was so appalled at this pastor’s shirt he was wearing in front of his congregation as he prayed and as he preached his sermon to the people.

Christ’s Dismissal

Christmas, as it has come to be known, is largely considered to be a Christian celebration of the birth of Jesus Christ, God the Son. But there is another (false) god that is celebrated on Christmas Day, and his name is Santa. So, what does the word “Christmas” literally mean? Well, the first part of the word is Christ, meaning the Anointed One, meaning Jesus Christ, the Son of God (See: Isaiah 61:1-3; Luke 4:18-19).

But, what about the word “mas”? What does that mean? Well, it is generally held that the word “mas” means “dismissal.” Yet, whether you agree with that or not, it doesn’t really matter, for I believe we shall see here, by the evidence itself, that indeed that is what is intended.

Satan and His Angels

From what I have been taught, and from what I understand, Satan used to be an angel in heaven, but he wanted to be God, and so he rebelled against God along with about a third of the angels, and so God cast them down to the earth (Isaiah 14:12-14; Luke 10:18; Hebrews 12:22; Revelation 9:1; Revelation 12:3-9).

“How you are fallen from heaven,​

O Lucifer, son of the morning!​

How you are cut down to the ground,​

You who weakened the nations!​

For you have said in your heart:​

‘I will ascend into heaven,​

I will exalt my throne above the stars of God;​

I will also sit on the mount of the congregation​

On the farthest sides of the north;​

I will ascend above the heights of the clouds,​

I will be like the Most High.’” Isaiah 14:12-14​

Now, let’s think about Santa Claus for a moment. Where does he live? The North Pole (“on the farthest sides of the north”). How does he deliver gifts to children all over the world in a single night? He rides on a reindeer-driven sleigh up in the sky, on the heights, or “above the heights of the clouds.” And on the pastor’s shirt today, Santa was pictured in a sleigh above the stars of God in a position next to, but in front of (superior to) Jesus Christ.

And what attributes is this false god Santa given? He is omnipresent, omniscient and omnipotent, meaning he is present in all places at all times, he is all-knowing, all-seeing, and he is all-powerful. And what this means is that he has been given the attributes of Almighty God, because he, Santa (Satan), wants to be God. And the shirt pictured him in a position as though he is God, like God is Father, then Son, then Holy Spirit, in that order.

Don’t believe me? Well, Santa knows when every child across the world is sleeping and when they are awake. He knows when they have been good or bad, too. He is also able to be in multiple department stores all across the world, all at the same time, holding children on his lap, promising them presents they will most likely never receive. And he is able to magically deliver gifts to every child on the globe – that is the ones who have been good, so he says – and in a single night, too. So, he must be able to see all, know all, and be everywhere all at the same time, and be all-powerful, too.

The Christmas Deception

What is the central focus of the celebration of Christmas, in reality? Is it not the buying of gifts, many of which people do not need, and many of which those buying them cannot afford? And is it not about Christmas trees and decorations. And, then there is all the baking of cookies, and the shopping, and the Christmas cards, and the new clothes and shoes and hats, and all the parties and games, and for some, raunchy Christmas movies, too.

So, what does any of that have to do with Jesus? Well, they say that Jesus was given gifts when he was born and thus we give each other gifts when we celebrate his birthday. But does that even make sense? Some will say Jesus was our gift and thus we give each other gifts, but that doesn’t make sense, either. For the gift of Jesus is the gift of salvation from sin, so the gift we should give each other is the message of how we can all be forgiven our sins and be delivered from our bondage, and now walk in Christ’s holiness.

And, when we celebrate each other’s birthdays, who gets the gifts? The person with the birthday, right? So, if we are truly celebrating Jesus Christ, then should he not be the one to receive our gifts? And what gift does he want from us? He wants are all on the altar of sacrifice laid, living holy lives, pleasing to him, no longer conformed to the ways of this sinful world, but transformed in the renewing of our minds away from what is sinful to walking in Christ’s righteousness and holiness, in his power and strength.

Also, when we celebrate each other’s birthdays, does everyone in the room, besides the one with the birthday, all congregate together and give each other gifts, and then pass around pictures of what we looked like when we were helpless babies, while the one having the birthday gets ignored? But that is what people do, isn’t it, when they picture Jesus as a helpless baby in a manger, and they put a manger scene somewhere in their houses, and then they all gather together and give each other presents and play games and eat lots of food and watch movies, too? (If that is what you do.)

Ok, so let’s go back to Santa, for he plays a huge role in this deception, too. For, while Jesus Christ is pictured as a helpless baby in a manger doing nothing but just lying there, Santa comes on the scene in all his glory. And he promises to bring gifts to children and to ride through the sky on a sleigh and to deliver gifts across the globe on a single night. And he asks children across the world to write him letters (like prayers) requesting what they want from him. And, children, who have long awaited his return, are anxiously anticipating his soon arrival (like Jesus’ return one day).

So, who has the hearts of children on Christmas? Jesus Christ? Or Santa? And, who wanted to be God? And, who masquerades himself as an angel of light? Santa (Satan). And, what has the hearts of most adults during the Christmas holidays? Shopping, presents, parties, food, games, movies, etc.

Know the Truth

The whole point of Christmas, from the point of its creators, is to dismiss Jesus Christ in favor of Santa, a false god, who is truly Satan who wanted to be God. It is to dismiss Jesus Christ in favor of gifts, commercialism, greed, worldliness, and idolatry. Jesus is pictured as a helpless baby in a manger on purpose, while Santa, a false god, is given the attributes of Almighty God, and he steals the hearts of children away from God; away from Jesus Christ.

So, don’t listen to these thieves and robbers who want to pull us and our children away from pure devotion to Jesus Christ. Don’t give your hearts away to false gods and idolatry and commercialism and to ignoring Jesus.

If truly you want to celebrate Jesus Christ, then do it the way Jesus says. He says to remember him by remembering his blood that was shed on the cross for our sins, and by remembering his body which was given for us in his death so we can die to sin and live to righteousness. And this remembering of him is not a mere formality or a mere ritual we go through, either.

For, when we remember him and what he did for us, we examine our own hearts to make certain that we are worthy to partake in his blood and his body via confession of sin, in true repentance, and in committing our lives to our Lord and to his service. For, what he wants from us are not our festivals and our parties, which he largely hates, in reality. But what he wants is our all on the altar of sacrifice laid, our hearts, thus, under God’s control.

[Matthew 7:13-14,21-23; Luke 9:23-26; John 10:27-30; Acts 26:18; Romans 1:18-32; Romans 2:5-10; Romans 3:23; Romans 6:1-23; Romans 8:1-14; 1 Corinthians 10:1-22; Galatians 5:16-24; Ephesians 2:8-10; Ephesians 4:17-32; Ephesians 5:3-6; Titus 2:11-14; Hebrews 3:1-19; Hebrews 4:1-13; Hebrews 10:19-39; Hebrews 12:1-2; 1 Peter 2:24; 1 John 1:1-10; 1 John 2:3-6; 1 John 3:4-10; Revelation 2:1-29; Revelation 3:1-22]

Oh, to be like Thee! blessèd Redeemer,
This is my constant longing and prayer;
Gladly I’ll forfeit all of earth’s treasures,
Jesus, Thy perfect likeness to wear.

Oh, to be like Thee! Oh, to be like Thee,
Blessèd Redeemer, pure as Thou art;
Come in Thy sweetness, come in Thy fullness;
Stamp Thine own image deep on my heart.

Lyrics by Thomas O. Chisholm, 1897
Music by W. J. Kirkpatrick, 1897

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That is a good word and I appreciate your willingness to share it. Santa is also perhaps the most famous lie since it was invented. One that can wreck a child's innocence creating mistrust and the start of cynicism.

Perpetual Student said:

Indeed.
Why do you consider these killings acceptable? Why do you defend that your government abandons these principles?

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Yep that's the overused accusation question running though these threads. As I explained elsewhere, that accusation only fits the accuser's perspective, not the person they are accusing. It should be blatantly obvious that those who disagree with you and others, do not share their prospective. In other words they don't see it that way.

They see it as action taken against terrorist just like all of the action that's been taken against terrorist for decades. They see the tremendous collateral damage that's been caused by Narco drugs, and consider that a serious threat to the safety and wellbing of the US. Just as if instead of dangerous drugs, Anthrax was being smuggled into the US to kill hundreds/thousands of Americans. So that's were they were at in their perspective before this even incident took place. And they found the scenario that the Navy was carrying out these operations just for theater and kicks, improbable. That whatever had happened, the Navy had a justifiable reason for carrying it out. Also they figured they were just hearing more the usual repetitive vilification attacks against Hegseth and Trump. Like what was being claimed was just more of the usual hogwash.

To them it's all coming from the sort of people who treat supporting our President, our administration, our military, and America as being a crime.

Fantine said:

And in Surinam. according to Meet the Press, they were going to unload to a larger ship headed for Europe. So why are we fighting Europe's battles pretending that those drugs are going to us? Almost all of our drugs come through Mexico or Asia.

But how did they find the drugs? Did they send divers down to examine the wreckage? There were no survivors to have questioned.

In short, Venezuela has more oil than any other country in the world and Trump wants to feed his rapacious needs by more, more more.

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Yes, we are the world's police. Hope you can read my latest blog on an alternate way to fight drug smuggling

Douggg said:

keras, why would a Christian nation made up of totally Christians (of your replacement theory) need two witnesses testifying to them in Jerusalem ? The entire nation (of your replacement theory) will all already believe in Jesus.

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Another failure to properly read what the Prophets said.
Zechariah 14:1-2 tells of the conquest of the Christian nation of Beulah. Confirmed by Revelation 12 & 13, when Satan is thrown out of heaven - he will break the 7 year treaty and invade the Holy Land. Daniel 7:25 AND desecrate the Temple. Daniel 9:27
But those who kept faithful will be taken to a distant place of safety. Rev 12:14 and those who agreed with that treaty, Daniel 11:32 must remain. Revelation 12:17

It will be the conquerors of the Holy Land that the 2 Witnesses will preach to.
I would love to see them spewing fire to consume their enemies. Rev 11:5

Douggg said:

The great tribulation begins when the AoD statue image is set up on the temple mount. So if you are saying that the AoD statue image will be gone the day of Jesus's returns - then the 1335 days of Daniel 12:12 have to end then as well.

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But the 1335 days, [1260 + 75] cannot begin before the mid point of the final 7 years.
Logically and scripturally, the extra 75 days must come after the glorious Return.

eleos1954 said:

We are born into a sinful world .... we will indeed sin. But it is God who will judge and will hole each of us according to our accountability. there is an age of accountability. The Bible does not mention an explicit age of accountability, but it does speak of personal responsibility and accountability based on one’s ability to understand and respond to God’s message. The age of accountability may vary with individuals, but it is related to their spiritual and mental development and their response to the gospel message.

Regarding how we will be judged, the Bible teaches that God will judge everyone according to their deeds. Those who have accepted Jesus Christ as their Lord and Savior will be judged according to their faith in Him, while those who have rejected Him will be judged according to their works. The Bible also teaches that God is just and merciful, and that He will judge everyone fairly. Bible verses that speak about accountability and judgment:

• Innocence Before Knowledge:
  Deuteronomy 1:39 states that the children of Israel were spared from captivity because they "did not yet know good from bad". This implies a state of innocence before moral discernment.
  
  
• Conscious Choice:
  Isaiah 7:16 suggests a child will know "enough to reject the wrong and choose the right" before a land is laid waste. This highlights the importance of conscious choice in the concept of accountability.
  
  
• Grace for Children:
  Jesus' statement in Matthew 19:14, "Let the little children come to me... for the kingdom of heaven belongs to such as these," demonstrates a special compassion for children and a belief they are under God's grace until they become accountable.
  
  
• Individual Accountability:
  Romans 14:12 reminds us that "every one of us shall give account of himself to God".
  
  
• Divine Discretion:
  While the Bible teaches children are not held accountable in the same way as adults, God is the only one who truly knows the exact moment a child crosses the threshold into conscious sin and rejection of Him.

Most certainly Mary being an adult was at the age of accountability.

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The Age of Accountability belief says God won't hold your sin against you until you're old enough to understand the difference between right and wrong. Until the AoA you get a free pass to heaven.

Yet God held Adam & Eve's sin against them. They didn't understand good and evil until after they ate the fruit. This pretty much falsifies AoA belief for me.

lismore said:

According to the newspaper article yes, 1200 reported cases in Glasgow.

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Wow. That’s sickening. I read up on it. To make things worse, some of these cases (I don’t know about in Scotland) are done without anesthesia or numbing agents and with broken glass, sharp rocks, fingernails and more. The same “instruments” are re-used on numbers of girls without sterilization. Absolutely barbaric.

Mercy Shown said:

I appreciate your point about context, and I agree that Jesus is absolutely confronting hypocrisy in Matthew 7. But the principle He’s teaching goes even deeper than simply “don’t be a hypocrite.” Jesus is warning us about assuming a posture that belongs only to God—the posture of judge.
In the passage, He emphasizes that when we judge others, we end up being judged by the very same standard we apply.That’s not just about hypocrisy; that’s about the danger of stepping into God’s place and setting ourselves up as the ones who decide whose “speck” counts and how severe it is. When we do that, we inevitably judge people according to ourstandards, not God’s—and Jesus says that doing so invites judgment back on ourselves.

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And yet we can, and must, be able to discern between right and wrong, justice and injustice.
“Stop judging by mere appearances, but instead judge correctly.” John 7:24

Happy belated feast all! And happy second Sunday of advent!

stevevw said:

But this is your belief that human perception or experience of sound is not related to the ancient ways of knowledge. I literally just gave you evidence that acoustics was an integral part of the altering of mind states. We know the ancients tpoyed with acoustics. So how is this irrelevant exactly.

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How relevant is the altered mind states of particular Egyptians? None, I would think.

stevevw said:

Ok if thats the case then what is it you are using. Your belief.

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I have 30 years of reading message board and news groups under my belt. I am well aware of what an off-topic post is.

stevevw said:

Nevertheless we have evidence of stone softening, weakening and melting. Certainly not a method the orthodoxy mentions. So we have evidence of a method that involves some advanced knowledge above the primitive ways of pounding and chiseling.

Plus the links did provide evidence of the possible methods used. Have you even researched this.

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You posted a few pictures and a YT video. @sjastro gave you dozens of links in post #1494.

stevevw said:

What sub forum.

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Physical and Life Science (See top of screen.)

stevevw said:

Stop dictating what we are talking about. I will dictate the same and declare it is exactly related. There you go, what are you going to do now.

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I'm trying to have a conversation with someone and their favorite psuedoscience which not only is on topic in the P&LS board on CF, but the SUBJECT OF THIS THREAD.

stevevw said:

Hum then don't reply. If its so hartd for you and you wish that you were so lucky not to have to put up with this. Then why are you coming back for more lol. You love it lol.

Theories that propose alternative realities and knowledge are exactly about this topic.

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If you want to discuss simulation theory. Start a thread. If you think the lost ancient tech of the Egyptians, etc. was that they were simulated, you need to be more explicit about it. You just bring up the nonsense that is "Simulation theory" for no apparent reason.

Rvmb said:

Lake Baikal is flat & frozen flat many months of the years (80kmX600km)
If you sat on the edge of the lake with a 100km range powerful tripod telescope approx 1 meter above the ice, how far away on the flat ice would I have to be before you could no longer see me ?

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Cold dense air above the ice would cause light to refract more than usual, so you will likely be able to see further in Winter than during Summer.
Similar experiments have been done using laser light, without taking into account atmospheric refraction. The laser light actually bends downwards due to the density gradient of the atmosphere.

Quantum of Solace.

Michie said:

Pastor Stuart Knechtle recently claimed that President Donald Trump's 19-year-old son, Barron, is interested in claims of supernatural dreams about Jesus Christ in the Muslim world and is "very close" to becoming a Christian.

Knechtle, who has 2.4 million followerson TikTok and serves as assistant pastor at Grace Community Church in New Canaan, Connecticut, shared Thursday on "The George Janko Show" that he recently witnessed to Barron on the phone at 12:30 a.m. about Christianity.

“I thought I was hitting him with everything but the kitchen sink when it came to all the evidence for God and Christianity," Knechtle said.

"I thought I was really on, I was pumped," he said. "And at the very end, I came up pretty much totally open-handed with nothing. But I brought up dreams and revelations."

Knechtle claimed Barron was fascinated when he brought up reports that have circulated in recent years of many Muslims experiencing striking encounters with Jesus Christ in their dreams. Mission Frontiers magazine reported that a quarter of Muslim conversions to Christianity are because of such experiences.

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Barron Trump interested in supernatural dreams, 'very close' to becoming Christian: pastor

Pastor Stuart Knechtle recently claimed that President Donald Trump s 19-year-old son, Barron, is interested in claims of supernatural dreams about Jesus Christ in the Muslim world and is very close

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It sure would be great to see Barron give himself to Jesus. Maybe his conversion would help other family members follow suit.

truthuprootsevil said:

Seems like the Finnish government is telling the church what it can and can't do.

I don't know of a church that mistreats anyone of the lgbtq. What churches do is call out the sin, they don't mistreat the people, or treat them any differently in some cases treat them better than other members who are not lgbtq.

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I know, when I became a Christian 20 years ago, I checked my heterosexual adultery at the door even though some sinful desire remains. If I ask the Church to accommodate my sin then I deny the Lord & everything Paul tells us in Romans 7 & 8 & what John tells us in 1 John 1:5-10.