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Is purgatory a Biblical or extra biblical teaching?

It means EXACTLY what it says - our works - the things we do, what we say - are judged. We are saved.


We are indeed saved but only as through fire
What does being saved only as through fire mean to you?

Romans 10:8 But what does it say? “The word is near you, in your mouth and in your heart” (that is, the word of faith which we preach): 9 that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved. 10 For with the heart one believes unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. 11 For the Scripture says, “Whoever believes on Him will not be put to shame.” 12 For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek, for the same Lord over all is rich to all who call upon Him. 13 For “whoever calls on the name of the Lord shall be saved.”
What does that mean? Does it mean after we leaving this life we are judged and then might have to spend sometime in jail (purgatory) until we get our act right? or does it mean exactly what it says?

Matt 16:27 For the Son of Man will come in the glory of His Father with His angels, and then He will reward each according to his works.
One time - not after a jail sentence - one time.

It means we are saved. But being saved does not mean that we will not experience God’s discipline. Isn’t the author of Hebrews writing to “saved” people when he says that when God disciplines us he is treating us like sons? Being saved does not mean we will not be disciplined by God to perfect us in holiness. Being completely sanctified is not optional.

If you leave this life and you are not perfected in holiness, not sure I would call it ‘jail’. But if you have not yet become “righteous made perfect” (Hebrews 12:23), God still has some work to do with you.

So say for example, Mr. X has held a grudge against his brother for many years due to a perceived wrong. Mr. X dies still holding that grudge. He hates his brother.

Do you really think Christ is going to say “Mr. X, you’re dead now so regardless of what sin you’re still attached to, heaven is open to you? Keep your grudge, hold on to your hatred because all the saved are welcome no matter what sin you bring with you?”

Or is Christ going to say we still have a little work to do don’t we? About that grudge….”
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When the Sacrament Bites Back: Has Communion Ever Frightened You?

Paul says some of you are sick and dying because you gulp the Supper unworthily (1 Cor 11). Share the moment the bread and wine stopped being routine and started feeling dangerous.

What happened, and how did it change the way you prepare?
I've never had a negative experience with the Eucharist. I have received miraculous healing though.
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What are you listening to?

Another sign that AI is about to redefine the music industry, and I'm 100% behind it. And don't look now, but the movie industry is next. Some people think that the stock market is in an AI bubble. I think that the AI revolution is just getting started.

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What's on your mind? Friendship Court edition.

What was it like 5 years ago?

This might sound crazy or stupid, but I actually used to have time to do my job accurately and without the anxiety I experience now. Now, it's all about "rush, rush, rush", "meet your goal", "money, money, money". Our work is closely monitored now. I (and others) actually have to calculate when to go to the bathroom so we're not accused of taking too long on a task. Have you ever heard of such a thing happening in the workplace? This is something you would expect in a Communist country.

What is your ideal job?

I've desired to do something with Linux for some time. I don't know how I would go about that. When I look for Linux jobs, they want knowledgeable people with schooling. I do not ever want to go back to college again. American colleges are scams and you can't do anything with your degree. I've tried twice to get a good job with college, it doesn't work.

If I could make money off of my writing, I would do it.
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Is President Trump Corrupt? Three Stories.

Try this.

<< Doha, Qatar; 30 April 2025 – Qatari Diar has signed an agreement with Dar Global to develop Trump International Golf Club, Doha includes a luxury 18-hole golf course, golf club and an exclusive collection of Trump-branded luxury villas, as part of the landmark Simaisma coastal project located 40 kilometres north of Doha.

Occupying approximately 790,000 square meters within the broader 8 million square meters of Simaisma development, this collaboration will deliver a world-class 18-hole Trump International Golf Course, a Trump Golf Clubhouse, and approximately high-end branded villas overlooking the golf and the beach with direct access to beach and neighbouring anticipated luxury lifestyle destinations. >>



Source
Dar Global and The Trump Organization Expand Partnership with New Luxury Golf and Villa Project within Simaisma Masterplan
Looks like a pretty good business deal to me.
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Do you keep the Sabbath? (poll)

But every single verse that you posted in those threads as well as your arguments have been thoroughly rebuked. Just because you won’t accept reality and continue to post the same tired arguments are not going make them true.
Disagreeing with the plain Scriptures is not rebuking, most directly from the mouth of God. Jesus will be the Judge not you. Nothing we can hide from Him Ecc12:13-14
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Can Truth Be Known? How

Are you saying that if I am an atheist, or I worship a number of gods, and I am looking for the truth, God will give me a revelation through holy spirit, and I will know the truth?

"Many philosophers debate for centuries, and never come to a conclusion.
As a Christian, how does one determine what is truth?
Is it by consulting what people says... be it there may be a multiplicity of opinions, ideas, interpretations, and the like?

How did early Christians view finding the truth?
How would Jesus establish truth?"
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Discussion 2: Adam...with some of Eve (God's Word to Women book)

Here's my thoughts on what I covered from the book:

  • I have heard that Adam and Eve were in one body before, but it was on Gab and they insisted that it was unbiblical, and the idea came from the Talmud and Satan. But after awhile, I do think what Katharine Bushnell says in her book, it is true, especially when you consider that Eve was taken out of Adam's side.

  • The parts about Adam having freedom to eat from the Tree of Life (before he ate from the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil) and Adam having responsibilities for the Garden of Eden - it's little things like this we miss, and when someone points them out, we have to go back and look.

  • The part about Adam's condition of "good" not lasting - I'm not so sure about this. It's hard to think that Adam was sinning before he ate from the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil. And if it is true, why was God so patient with him and helping him? Don't we tend to view God differently?

  • In both Discussion 1 and 2, I think that Bushnell's analysis on Scripture and what Scripture says itself derails Patriarchy. Patriarchy likes to protect Adam and blame everything on Eve, but God is not one sided and will always judge truthfully and accurately.
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Are the Jews Israel, or is the church Israel? Or does it depend on the context of the passage?

How about addressing the biblical evidence above instead of merely expressing your bias and faulty opinions.

I have presented my point above already why the Body of Christ cannot be the Israel of God.

If you think it is faulty and bias, explain why the premises do not lead to the conclusion.
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No Mayor - you cannot control privately owned businesses - if they want to leave, they can.

If the US government can, and state governments can, why can't the city?
They can? Show me where the State or Federal Government can tell a company they can't close their doors.
We could have had taco trucks on every corner.
Really? Free Taco's! Where?
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Do the Ten Commandments still apply under the new covenant today?

The new covenant also has an altar, Priest, sacrifices etc just like the old covenant was.
And the OLD COVENANT. HAD ALTERS

HAD animal sacrifices

Had Priests

And read Heb. 9:18 says why the LAW could set. SIN ASIDE because animals blood can NEVER take away SIN

Only Jesus BLOOD shed on. the CROSS will ever save

and THE. NEW COVENANT belongs to IRAEL. and IF. you believe in. the NEW COVENANT. , How are you. you saved under the NEW COVENANT with a verse !!

dan p
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