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The Liturgist · 2025-11-09T03:38:11-0600

keras said:
Zechariah 5:1-4, describes what we know today as a ICBM rocket.
Zech 5:5-11, is not another different object. It goes on to tell about what that rocket has inside it.

Any other explanation, simply makes a mess of what Zechariah Prophesies.

That seems very unlikely, particularly given that ICBMs are smaller than the dimensions given, by a considerable measure, and also given that ICBM warheads do not use lead for shielding due to weight. Remember, they contain very little plutonium since most of the power is derived from a secondary thermonuclear explosion (which releases much less fall-out than a fission bomb if used in an airburst, while causing more destruction relative to the mass of the warhead).

Also most ICBMs have three or more warheads (known as MIRVs) that are launched in the same missile, which allow one ICBM to hit multiple targets.

Rather it is clear that St. Zechariah is speaking of the typological harlot of Babylon, the symbol of vice and idolatry (which contrary to popular belief has nothing to do with the Roman Catholic Church).

Also insofar as Baghdad is a major center of Aramaic speaking and Arabic speaking Christians, of the Syriac Orthodox Church, the Assyrian Church of the East, the Ancient Church of the East and the Chaldean Catholic Church, there would be no point in God allowing the modern city of Baghdad to be annihilated - it certainly does not meet the criteria of Sodom or Gomorrah. Indeed the Christians of Iraq are among the most righteous and persecuted in the world, with those in Mosul in particular enduring gruesome suffering during the reign of ISIS.

CoreyD · 2025-11-09T03:35:00-0600

stevevw said:
I think this is full of free will. Imagine that you are a Christian and you had to be obedient as a choice. The goodness and purity of being a servant comes from choosing to be a servant as Christ did.

But also the idea that Christ will truely set you free. Which implies there are levels of freedom. That perhaps the idea of no free will which is part of denying Christ is really a trap that binds us. That its actually the opposite. By admitting we have free will and can defy God or others we surrender our will and become truely free.

I agree. It's a personal choice to let go, and let God, because God does not force us to let go. It's up to us.

Warden_of_the_Storm · 2025-11-09T03:33:39-0600

contratodo said:
verb: misquote; 3rd person present: misquotes; past tense: misquoted; past participle: misquoted; gerund or present participle: misquoting

To quote (a person or a piece of written or spoken text) inaccurately.

adverb
in an incorrect or inexact manner.

A.i. overview of ellipsis.
Formal uses (Ellipsis)
To show omitted words in a quote: When quoting text, an ellipsis (...) can be used to show that you have left out words, phrases, or even full sentences.
Example: "The greatest glory in living lies not in never falling, but in rising every time we fall" can be shortened to "The greatest glory in living lies...in rising every time we fall"

My point was that bold part, I quoted it exactly using ellipsis for what I did not remember, I forgot "great ideas undiscovered" but that does not take away from the point of the sentence, "to those who can remove one of truths protective layers"

It's still a misquote, because you incorrectly and inaccurately took what he said and put it to mean something entirely different.

Dan1988 · 2025-11-09T03:33:34-0600

BNR32FAN said:
Oh so then someone who has come to Christ must me able to fall away then? So what happens to someone who does this?

Yes Sir, many have or will come to Christ and fall away, but only the elect will remain because they were saved by Christ and not their works. Those who bring their filthy rags to the table will fall away, because they were never of us, for if they were of us they would have remained with us.
We must take into consideration, the fact that Jesus will cast the vast majority of professing Christians into the lake of fire.

Many will come to Him on that day saying Lord, Lord, you know the rest.

Carl Emerson · 2025-11-09T03:33:08-0600

Studyman said:
it's absurd to believe and promote to others that Jesus said to "Live By" the Words proceeding from the mouth of God that we have never heard.

And yet, that is what you are teaching.

The Holy Spirit within is not silent and is our promised guide.

Of course we have personal communion with Him as Jesus did, and it is quite normal to receive personal revelation - Paul prayed for the faithful to receive exactly that.

This does not mean we don't hear Him as we read the Bible, it is typical for a new convert to have an enormous thirst for reading Scripture made alive by His indwelling Spirit. I read nothing but scripture for over 5 years. No other written input.

I guess you have to challenge and discredit folks who question your theology - nothing new there.

Guojing · 2025-11-09T03:30:09-0600

RandyPNW said:
The very thing described in Matthew and Mark as the AoD Luke identifies as the Roman Army of Jesus' time. That would begin a period of "Great Tribulation" for the Jewish People, lasting from the fall of Jerusalem in 70 AD up until the end of the NT age.

Where is the Mark of the Beast then?

sjastro · 2025-11-09T03:26:42-0600

stevevw said:
I was not saying he can't call out pseudoscience but that his claim was false that absolutely everything is pseudoscience. The simple fact I posted peer review science articles disproves this obvious misrepresentation.

Plus I have not made any crazy claims lol. I have basically tried to support things with reasoning and facts. When I says a signature looks like machining or med tech I am not saying it was caused by aliens or magic and am trying to argue a reasonable hypothesis based on the signatures.

In fact you are doing the same. Everyone is doing the same when they claimn the traditional methods.

Yet you show no evidence for the stupid or disingenous. How is it when I actually provide a rational. Is that rational stupid. If so then argue its stupid instead of just objecting.

Thats calling the kettlle black lol.

Here we go again with name calling.

If it should have ended long ago then why are you still here. Is it to save the stupid people. Leave if you don't like it. I think I said this a couple of times before and your still here lol. You must like it lol.

Failure to consider what modern tech. The whole vase thing was relegated to whacko from the very first posts. The whole thread was already in the dust bin by skeptcs from the first few pages before I even began lol. We see the bias from the start as though even before anyone said anything it was already decided.

I mean some were resisting that even a lathe was used and insisted on unguided hand made. But then even they admitted a lathe must have been used. So I did convince some lol. How do we know other signatures are not the same.

I think even you admitted that a circular saw cut looked like a modern cut and must have been a fake that was done in modern times. Did you not. Which means you also seen the same modern looking signatuires as me. How am I wrong for doing this and yet everyone else is doing it.

Why do so many people agree with me that the signatures look machined or that they don't match the claimed traditional methods. From Petrie to todays engineers, archeologists and stone masons all agreeing. Are we all whacko.

This is a strawman. I never said they were caused or made by modern lathes. I said the signatures looked like modern lathing and machining.

I even said several times it would be rediculous to say that there was some modern machines and computers lying around in ancient sites. They could never be lost as they would be so big and have lots of parts.

Here we go again lol.

Hum yet one group used the standard industry software in the Dunn and Sierra testing.

But tell me I have two opinions here. You claim that the tests were not proper and could not determine whether it was lathed somehow by circularity and concentricity. Then why do all these independent groups of testers all say the same thing. That at least in some of the vases the high levels of circularity for example was the result of turning, rotating and lathing the vase.

Why should I believe a sole person on a social media sight over several independent groups who actually did the testing. Why is it that even people on this thread admit that lathing was involved.

Actually if you recall my response was that if you are using such logic (that signatures such as strirations that look or point to a giant copper saw).

Then the same logic will apply to the many other signatures I showed you that 'don't look like or point to a copper saw but machining'. You conviently ignore all this and select out one you think proves your case and then make it everything. Make it negate all the contradictory signatures that point to machining and not a giant copper saw.

How exactly have I dont this. Tell me. I have done exactly what you are doing. Looking at the signatures and making determinations on that.

I actually said that at least some of the obelisks in later dynasties like the 18th dynasty are from earlier dynasties. I linked evidence for this in how Ramses II stamped his name on earlier works. Or by the different sigantures that match old kingdom obelisks.

I then said in response to your objection that this does not discount that later dynasties had advanced knowledge and tech. WE see it all through history. How does this negate that the earliest works show advanced knowledge and tech. How does this even negate the ancients having advanced tech and knowledge at any period before the tech and knowledge was available. Your creating a red herring.

But thats based on the assumption that these obelisks were made in the later dynasties. I provided evidence that early obelisks were inherited by later dynasties.

But so what. All this does is show that the Egyptians had the advanced knowledge and tech from the earliest dynasties and it was still going in later dynasties. The point is its the earliest dynasties had the tech and knowledge to produce better works 1,000 years before this.

Having some holes does not make it a conspiracy. It just means some things need correcting. Your throwing the baby out with the bath water by coming up with specific examples that don't match the timeline and then claiming the whole things conspiracy.

You still have no address many obvious signatures that show advanced knowledge and tech. So its nowhere near any big claims about conspiracy.

As I said your making a logical fallacy that because the knapped flint tools and the precision vases existed in the same culture that 1) the same culture made them 2) they could have been inherited like Djoser inherited them later 3) that both methods were happening at the same time. We see this today where we have both CNC and hand made vases being made still.

I also pointed out that its strange these vases exist in such a Neolithic culture where everything about them is primitive. They made pottery by the coil method. They did not even have the potters wheel. Yet according to archeologists these high circular vases came from the same people. A contradiction in the records.

I also pointed this fact out when you produced the primitive made knapped knife and tools. If a culture is capable of making such high precision vases in the hardest stones, Then why are their tools so primitive. Primitive tools make primitive vases.

Which then throws a big spanner in the orthodox narrative. But its not me who is admitting this. Its the mainstream archeologists. We see the signatures from later tech in the wheel and borestick on the walls and reliefs. The vases are not as precise.

How can a more precise vase come from a time when they made primitive flint tools by knapping. Yet produce better vases than those that came 1,000s of years later with supposed better tech and knowledge. It appears to be an out of place artifact.

Your welcome to leave anytime. But your still hear loving every minute of it lol.

This latest serving of yours has phrases "I actually said", "I then said", "I also pointed out this fact" etc is nothing more than preaching and an argument by repetition fallacy. Each one of your starting phases has been addressed and refuted with evidence on numerous occasions, but evidently the penny has never dropped. If you had the capability of understanding the points I made but disagreed with them present your counterarguments instead of this low brow argument by repetition fallacy which is just as wrong the first time round as it is the fiftieth.
Your lack of comprehension however is no excuse for dishonesty, resorting to lies to make a point is not an effective way to convert people to your way of thinking particularly when your motivation is through preaching.

I can only speak for myself but I suspect other posters in this thread have the same dilemma of deciding whether you are dumb, dishonest or somewhere in between.

RainySunflower · 2025-11-09T03:19:13-0600

I follow Watchman River, and he has a point. ^^ Every time I open any of his videos, literally at least 6-7 articles which prove end times point. ^^ So yeah, The Great Frying is coming soon. ^^

Tom D · 2025-11-09T03:19:00-0600

Very useful post.
I'm looking for a new job right now. Although I'm still officially 'employed' at my organisation, they don't have any new work for me.

GodAndChocolateVanilla · 2025-11-09T03:16:32-0600

Beautiful Video and Pictures!!!! ^w^

And the Rabbit is so Beautiful and cute!!!! ^w^

stevevw · 2025-11-09T03:11:23-0600

pc_76 said:
I wish God will change this country, but so far it looks like he is just allowing the evil and darkness to complete it's natural conclusion. The very sad part is a lot of it is being done on purpose and they are now very emboldened.

It might also well be too late unless there is a very radical event.

I'm glad for these threads because I am part of the same age group and at least good to know I'm not the only one in my boat that feels this way.

Its too late and was always going to be this way. In fact I believe it has taken a giant step towards that end. I can see it in my own lifetime in how people have rejected God and chaos has resulted.

But remember though God allows such things there is a limit. Remember S & G and even the Egyptians and even the Hebrews when they rejected God this set off a series of bad stuff happening. Usually it was through natural disasters. But I believe the earth is also moving towards this end and is groaning and shifting as evil is thrust upon it.

It all goes hand in hand and humans have cultivated their own destruction. We will see many great disasters even topling great idols and icons of the world. Eathquakes and eruptions as the earth shifts into a time of upheavel. But also fighting in the streets and rebellion and hate and chaos.

This is what happens when we reject God. Its always been the same and we can predict it. I think now in the west we have moved more away from God than at anytime since Christ. We are now in the Godless period once again.

But this time its Empire and perhaps even on a worldwide scale and not just a city or people warring. But there are dark principalities rising up against each other.

Christians are together and seperate from this in Christ. Like the early church under the Roman pagan world. We will be the light to the world in this in all this darkness.

ViaCrucis · 2025-11-09T03:06:09-0600

Hvizsgyak said:
But do you then agree that the US Government should be allowed to secure its borders more strictly so there are less illegal aliens? I'm with you on every person in the US (legal or illegal) should get access to affordable healthcare but I do have a problem with allowing thousands upon thousands illegal aliens into the country on a yearly basis.

Tighten up the borders. I don't think everyone should come here--there should be vetting, through legal channels of immigration.

If someone comes here illegally, they should be afforded a chance to rectify that by seeking legal residence; if they won't then they should be deported.

The point is that this should be done through legal (Constitutional) means, it should be humane, and it should be just. Treating undocumented immigrants as sub-human is morally evil. It doesn't matter that coming here illegally or over-staying is going on, all human beings deserve the most basic and fundamental treatment of dignity. There are fundamental human rights that need to be honored.

-CryptoLutheran

stevevw · 2025-11-09T02:47:17-0600

This is just part of 'Anything Goes' culture. Its all justified as art and language and narratives. But its still promotes an untimely negative and bad image that can easily feed into the garbage narratives that end up being acted out in realife violence and murder.

I mean why was he wearing a mask lol. Obvious he does not want to be identified because he already has many after him lol. If I have a job or occupation that causes my life to be under threat and have to hide. I think he should find another job or subject lol.

Guojing · 2025-11-09T02:46:23-0600

rachelrising said:
I am talking about me, yes you can have faith in Christ but no action to try and do the things that he asked you to do. You can believe in him but not follow his word and also not repent to and trust in him fully. I am not perfect and try like most people to do better, but can say you are a Christian and believe in God and break most of the 10 Commandments and not wish to change.

Heb 4:11 "Let us therefore be diligent to enter that rest, lest anyone fall according to the same example of disobedience." (NKJV)

So salvation, to you, requires faith and works.

Would that be the accurate conclusion?

Kjelete · 2025-11-09T02:38:45-0600

AV1611VET said:
Hi, Kjelete!

Welcome to CF!

Yes, indeed, God created the first sun.

But God has always existed, and He spoke the universe into existence with His immense power; raising the level of mass/energy from zero to what it is today, over a six-day period.

Thanks, you made my day :wave:

Warden_of_the_Storm · 2025-11-09T02:35:00-0600

But the Earth is a round globe though.

Apple Sky · 2025-11-09T02:18:50-0600

A few years back, genius, Eddie Alencar, published '16 Emergency Landings' which make more sense on F/E map.

https://www.flatearthresearch.com/w...EWoQBPw7PjIT6q0rXqGRAdztCiYU8kK8zb5j-WDsGBIWc

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If you consider the above, you will realize that pilots use the above map or something extremely similar, and never a globe or anything close to that.

The truth is there for anyone who wants it.

bob121 · 2025-11-09T02:18:24-0600

timothyu said:
Jesus said there will always be poor so the churches took it to mean it was an opportunity to empire build

Brother timothyu,

Grace and peace to you in Christ. Jesus said the poor would always be with us (Mark 14:7), but as a call to open hands, not empire-building. Churches twist it into a license for marble foyers while widows wait. Spot on.

I’ve been thinking about that one for a while—the pastor’s six-figure salary (still “not enough”) versus the poor fellow down the road who calls a $20 gift “a fortune” with a bigger thank-you than the sum.

So pour the surplus into mercy and mission? That’s the gospel heartbeat (James 1:27). More thoughts always welcome.

Have a great day/night. God bless.

Tom D · 2025-11-09T02:05:29-0600

Having a creative hobby can bring you constant joy, even in adversity.
Cervantes wrote 'Don Quixote' while in prison, it would have been much more painful if he were not doing it.

Of course, the Christian faith & practices are the foundation of a joyful life.

Christsfreeservant · 2025-11-09T01:58:46-0600

I am reading in Isaiah, chapter 1. The people of God at that time, who lived in Judah and Jerusalem, were revolting against the Lord. They did not know God. They, as a nation, not necessarily including every individual, were a sinful nation, a people weighed down with iniquity. They were evildoers and those who acted corruptly; those who despised the Lord, who had turned away from him, and who were living in open rebellion against God.

And they were likened to being like the ancient cities Sodom and Gomorrah, the people of which were mostly known for being arrogant, complacent, idle, inhospitable, and unconcerned for the needy. And they were those who did detestable things which were morally disgusting to God, who engaged in sexual immorality and sexual perversion, including, and most well known for the abundance of their homosexuality, some or all of it forced upon others.

[Genesis 18:16-33; Genesis 19:1-29; Ezekiel 16:49-50; Jude 1:7]

Although they made physical sacrifices to the Lord as part of their religious rituals, their hearts were far from God. And so God was not pleased with their sacrifices, so he took no pleasure in them. For he saw their false acts of religious rituals as them trampling his courts. So, even though they spread out their hands in prayer to God, he would not listen to them, for he said that their hands were covered with blood (see Isaiah 1:1-15).

“Wash yourselves, make yourselves clean;

Remove the evil of your deeds from My sight.

Cease to do evil,

Learn to do good;

Seek justice,

Reprove the ruthless,

Defend the orphan,

Plead for the widow.

“Come now, and let us reason together,”

Says the Lord,

“Though your sins are as scarlet,

They will be as white as snow;

Though they are red like crimson,

They will be like wool.

“If you consent and obey,

You will eat the best of the land;

“But if you refuse and rebel,

You will be devoured by the sword.”

Truly, the mouth of the Lord has spoken.” (Isaiah 1:16-20 NASB1995)

And do you know that the gospel of our salvation, under the New Covenant, repeats the same basic message as what this is teaching? For, as those who profess faith in Jesus Christ we are to be those who were crucified with Christ in death to sin, and raised with Christ in newness of life in him, no longer to live as slaves to sin, but now as slaves to God and as servants of his righteousness in obedience to his commands. And we are to continue in obedience to our Lord and in putting sin to death in our lives, by the Spirit.

As those who proclaim Jesus as our Lord and Savior, we are no longer to be those for whom sin is our practice and for whom obedience to God is not our practice. We are daily to be putting sin to death, by the Spirit, and walking in obedience to our Lord and to his commands, in holy and righteous living, by the grace of God, and in the power of God. And we should now be those who are doing good in the sight of God. But if we refuse, and so we rebel against God, then according to the Scriptures, we will not have eternal life with God.

[Matthew 7:13-14,21-23; Luke 9:23-26; John 10:27-30; Acts 26:18; Romans 1:18-32; Romans 2:5-10; Romans 3:23; Romans 6:1-23; Romans 8:1-14; 1 Corinthians 10:1-22; Galatians 5:16-24; Ephesians 2:8-10; Ephesians 4:17-32; Ephesians 5:3-6; Titus 2:11-14; Hebrews 3:1-19; Hebrews 4:1-13; Hebrews 10:19-39; Hebrews 12:1-2; 1 Peter 2:24; 1 John 1:1-10; 1 John 2:3-6; 1 John 3:4-10; Revelation 2:1-29; Revelation 3:1-22]

Walking in The Light

Based off 1 John 1-2
An Original Work / November 16, 2011
Christ’s Free Servant, Sue J Love

When I lift up my voice, and
Sing praise unto God,
I will fellowship with my
Lord and Savior, King.
In Him there is no darkness.
He is in the light of truth.
If we walk in His light,
From sin He purifies.

If we repent of our sins,
He’ll forgive us now,
When we humble ourselves, and
Before Jesus bow.
The man who says, “I know Him,”
But does not obey His truth,
There is no truth in him.
In darkness still he’s found.

Do not love the world of sin,
For it is hell bound.
If you follow the world, you’ll
Not in Christ be found.
The world and its desires
Will not last; they’ll expire.
The one who does God’s will,
Receives eternal life.

See that what you have heard from
Christ remains in you.
Then, you’ll remain in Christ, and
In His Father, too.
This is what He promised us –
His eternal life with God.
So, continue in Him, and
You’ll receive a crown.

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Cease With Evil, Now Do Good
An Original Work / November 9, 2025
Christ’s Free Servant, Sue J Love

Benaiah468 · 2025-11-09T01:58:20-0600

Desk trauma said:
Lovely, I await the full disengagement of the US from the conflict as were unnecessary.

Israel is being cornered by US President Trump and his administration, who are essentially dictating what it can and cannot do in terms of its security. We pray for Prime Minister Bibi Netanyahu and his coalition that they will know how to lead G-d's people during this time and when to simply say ‘no’ to this American pressure.

Dikaioumenoi · 2025-11-09T01:25:35-0600

Acts 13:48 reads: "And when the Gentiles heard this, they began rejoicing and glorifying the word of the Lord, and as many as were appointed to eternal life believed."

Ἀκούοντα δὲ τὰ ἔθνη ἔχαιρον καὶ ἐδόξαζον τὸν λόγον τοῦ κυρίου καὶ ἐπίστευσαν ὅσοι ἦσαν τεταγμένοι εἰς ζωὴν αἰώνιον·

All major translations render τεταγμένοι as passive: "were appointed."

Yet some individuals argue for a middle sense: "had disposed themselves toward eternal life," making the verb about human readiness rather than divine appointment.

Grammatically, τεταγμένοι is the perfect participle of τάσσω, whose perfect middle and passive forms are identical in spelling (hence the debate). The surrounding construction (ἦσαν τεταγμένοι) is a perfect periphrastic, a construction that emphasizes the state resulting from a prior completed action. In other words, when the Gentiles hear the gospel, they are already "in the state of having been appointed." The narrative logic naturally runs: divine appointment precedes and explains belief.

If Luke had intended a reflexive nuance ("had disposed themselves"), we would expect some explicit reflexive marking, such as an active verb with a reflexive pronoun, as in verse 46. By the Koine period, active verb + reflexive pronoun was the standard way to express reflexivity. Genuine reflexive middles (i.e. verbs conveying self-action) were exceedingly rare and typically contextually obvious (e.g., Matt. 27:5; arguably the only true reflexive middle in the NT). And as if that were not rare enough on its own, to find such a reflexive sense in a perfect periphrastic construction would be exceptional; virtually without parallel in Koine Greek. The passive reading therefore aligns both with Luke's normal syntax and with his repeated emphasis on divine initiative in salvation (cf. Acts 16:14).

Curious what others think: if you disagree with the reading that those who believed did so because of prior divine appointment, what is your argument?

d taylor · 2025-11-09T01:18:49-0600

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AI needs to stick to answering question and leave the art to artist.

Lukaris · 2025-11-09T01:18:13-0600

Yet funding was cut during the Biden administration and 9 NOAA stations were decommissioned in 2013.

Per NBC news:

NOAA grant for about $300,000 each year had supported the stations. The Alaska Earthquake Center requested new grant funding through 2028, but it was denied, according to an email between West and NOAA staffers that was viewed by NBC News.

Kim Doster, a NOAA spokeswoman, said the federal agency stopped providing the money in 2024 under the Biden administration. In th

Per NBC news:

NOAA helped build many of the seismic stations that have been part of the Alaska Earthquake Center’s network. But West said the agency has decreased its support over the past two decades; nine NOAA-built stations were decommissioned in 2013.

U.S. tsunami warning system, reeling from funding and staffing cuts, is dealt another blow

Seismic monitoring stations in Alaska are closing after a denied federal grant, risking delayed tsunami warnings for people living on the West Coast.

www.nbcnews.com

Plus their seems to be new emerging technology in tsunami wave detection being applied by NASA.

NASA’s GUARDIAN Tsunami Detection Tech Catches Wave in Real Time - NASA

A massive earthquake and subsequent tsunami off Russia in late July tested an experimental detection system that had deployed a critical component just the

www.nasa.gov

Hans Blaster · 2025-11-09T01:17:40-0600

Fervent said:
I can't be bothered to trace it back myself, but if you look at @partinobodycular's subsequent posts you will see that they accepted my assessment of their perspective.

You can't be bothered to know what was being responded, but I need to read all your conversations with several posters and assess a third party. I'm not interested in discussing a third person when I am in a dialog.

Fervent said:
I'm not sure it is so clear, as the question is not what individuals recognize but whether there are universal standards that can be applied.

You don't see how morals are demonstrably different in different societies? Get real.

Fervent said:
Oh? Any particular reason?

Do ya think someone might not want engage in examples when the very first one offered is the morality of the Holocaust? Examples aren't needed here.

Fervent said:
You may not be, but the poster I was interacting with was.

Argue with my positions when you reply to me, not others. If you don't know what I think, ask.

Fervent said:
You stepped into an ongoing conversation, so my reply to you depended on that context.

I commented on a post about an academic paper (one that you have twice told me in *our* conversation is irrelevant and you won't discuss) that you described. I didn't think much of the paper or what it was claiming. You then responded to me 8 MINUTES after I posted not in reply to you and included several concepts that were not in my post into your reply. This is you, not me.

Fervent said:
I think the confusion here is I took your use of theory of mind to be speaking of a scientific theory of mind, rather than a personal one. We all may have a sense of other minds but the nomenclature you chose to use leaves much to be desired.

Theory of mind is what psychologists call our understanding of the mental states of others. I used the term correctly in context. As I noted when I did, a theory of mind is one of the features that allows us to understand how our actions might make others feel and this is a key component underlying the construction of moral systems.

Fervent said:
Not quite, because when I say universal I don't necessarily mean absolute. Universal just means that we can consistently develop the same standards and apply them across the board, regardless of culture or current social milieu.

Those are the moral instincts. Moral systems require the addition of values and principles placed on top of the instincts.

Fervent said:
I don't intend to make any such demonstration, my position is one of skepticism towards bootstrapping morality because of the is-ought problem and the related naturalistic fallacy.

"oughts can only be determined after the goals have been.

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