Apple Sky said:

Sorry, I'm still not following, who are the Guiding Head of the Zion Colony & what do they have to do with the video ?

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Well, back in Post 52, you posted a link to a video which started with the printed words: "The Guiding Hand of the Zion Colony explains why the scientists are all wrong....."

God does not have to worry about that as there are no planets period.

keras said:

That is your mistake.
Matthew 24:42-44, is not referring to the Return of Jesus,

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“Therefore keep watch, because you do not know on what day your Lord will come. 43 But understand this: If the owner of the house had known at what time of night the thief was coming, he would have kept watch and would not have let his house be broken into. 44 So you also must be ready, because the Son of Man will come at an hour when you do not expect him.

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Jesus said that the Lord, the Son of Man, would come at a time when he was not expected. He doesn't mention the Lord's vengeance and wrath in these verses.

The bakery bread was probably made from whole grain which has more fiber. It could help with weight management. Also, whole grains benefit gut health, blood sugar, heart health, etc

Desk trauma said:

You can use grown up words here...

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You won't be able to comprehend what I post, if I do that.

keras said:

Stupidity.

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Not at all.
If Jesus isn't returning for several years, we've got loads of time. I'm not going to do any of the stuff that I mentioned - I love Jesus and want to serve him. But if you told a non Christian that they needed to repent to be ready for Jesus' return, they asked when he was coming back and you said, "oh in about 20 years or so", they would ask, "well what's the rush, then?"

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WE Christians have not yet made the new Covenant with the Lord. Hebrews 8:10-12 proves it.

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Jesus' blood seals the new Covenant.
God's word being in our hearts doesn't refer to learning Scripture - learning Scripture means it is in your mind but doesn't mean that you have accepted it and are living it. All Jewish boys had to learn their Scriptures by heart. It didn't prevent them from sinning and disobeying them.
God's Word is Jesus. Jesus told his disciples to remain IN him and he would remain IN us.
Because of the cross, we are reconciled to, and at peace with, God.
Because of Pentecost, God's Spirit can live IN believers. It is the Holy Spirit who confirms to us that we are God's children, Romans 8:16-17.
Before he died, Jesus said to his disciples, "this is my blood of the new covenant which is poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins", Matthew 26:28.

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Do you think that nothing special or dramatic will happen before Jesus Returns?

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Dramatic things are happening all the time - and have been since the ascension.

JulieB67 said:

Death has always been considered punishment. Just because you don't think it's enough does not mean it's not everlasting punishment.

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I’m not arguing that death is not a punishment. Scripture clearly treats death as punishment. The disagreement is whether death itself is the ongoing punishment as in Matthew 25:46, or whether the punishment ends in the second death and only its result, non-existence, remains.

Everlasting punishment is not defined by whether I think it is “enough,” but by whether the punishment itself continues. Punishment, by its nature, is something that is experienced. Once a person no longer exists, there is no subject left to experience punishment. What remains is an outcome, not an ongoing penalty.
That’s why the analogy matters: a scar proves that punishment occurred, but the scar is not the punishment. Likewise, non-existence may be the irreversible consequence of judgment, but it is not itself a continuing punishment.

In Matthew 25:46, Jesus deliberately parallels everlasting life with everlasting punishment. Eternal life is not a momentary act with permanent consequences; it is an ongoing state of conscious existence. If the punishment side is reduced to a brief event followed by nothingness, the symmetry of Jesus’ contrast collapses.

So, this isn’t about personal preference or emotional weight. It’s about whether Scripture presents punishment as something that endures, or merely something that ends with an enduring result. In Matthew 25:46, the life is ongoing, and by the same construction, so is the punishment.

JulieB67 said:

Hey, I've learned much more on my own than I ever did sitting on a church pew every Sunday listening to men's sermons, not God's Word. I don't consider that "church". It's good to be around like minded people and to gather together and it's good have honest teachers teaching chapter by chapter and verse by verse But if you're not getting that, you're not getting fed properly. I certainly don't claim to know everything and every day I am in his Word hoping to grow more but we are told to move past the foundations. And some churches never move past them.

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I agree that personal study is essential, and Scripture commends the Bereans for examining the Word daily. No faithful Christian should outsource their thinking to a pulpit.
That said, Scripture never presents growth in Christ as a solo project. The same Bible that calls us to study also commands believers not to neglect gathering together, to submit to godly elders, and to be built up through the gifts Christ gives to the church (Heb 10:25; Eph 4:11–16).
Poor teaching doesn’t redefine what church is; it points to the need for a healthier, more biblically grounded congregation.
“Moving beyond the foundations” (Heb 6) doesn’t mean abandoning them, or the body Christ established, but building on them together. The New Testament pattern is Word, Spirit, and church, not one without the others.
NOTE: The Church in Corinth had serious issues, yet Paul did not abandon it; he wrote to guide, correct, and build them up.

JulieB67 said:

I'm sorry but many people are rightly turned off with a God that would burn someone for an eternity. We should have a healthy fear of not wanting to take part in God's wrath at the end and of the second death. But no, instilling fear of burning in hell for an eternity as part of gospel teaching is something I don't agree with. If opportunity arises where the gospel can be shared than yes, I would love to witness to anyone. That's all I'll say on it.

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So, while you speak as if you have experience sharing the Gospel, you are not willing to help me learn how to do it more effectively. People’s eternal lives are at stake, yet you remain silent. That is apathy.
My observation is that, like many believers, you may rarely share the Gospel, if at all. Much of this stems not just from fear, but also from a lack of urgency—which can be influenced by beliefs like annihilationism. If I’m wrong about your practice, I want to learn from you, so please correct me.

NOTE: True love for the lost motivates us to speak, even in the face of fear. Love overcomes fear, and fear is not a valid excuse. If the Gospel is truly precious to us, we will share it.

Yeshua HaDerekh said:

There was a constant fire burning with new trash being added to keep it burning. Since trash piles up, there are constantly worms. Yes he is using it as a comparison because everyone knew about it. He is saying that it is constant. The fire is not quenched and the worms are there constantly because trash is added daily. All refuse is either eaten by worms or burned up...with nothing left. Yes, permanently....

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I understand what you’re saying about the mechanics of the trash pile and worms. My main point isn’t how a dump works, but what Jesus is teaching with His words. He emphasizes that the worm does not die and the fire is not quenched to illustrate the seriousness and permanence of judgment, not to give a literal lesson on waste disposal.

We can agree that He was using imagery everyone understood; the question is what that imagery communicates spiritually, not the logistics of trash or worms?

Bradskii said:

I've purposely not posted about the Bondi tragedy. Primarily because...well, everyone here is still trying to come to terms with it. It's pretty difficult trying to make sense of any atrocity wherever it happens in the world. But when so many innocent people are gunned down literally at the end of your street...you can't flick to another channel or turn to the sports page and mentally switch off. Most people living in the area will know someone who has been directly affected by this because there are so many Jewish people living here. My wife recognised one woman that she worked with who was briefly on screen telling the reporter that she was searching for her husband. She had no idea whether he was safe or not. He wasn't. He was one of the dead.

And I didn't want to post about it because I knew that there are those in the forum who would just want to make political mileage out of the tragedy. I've been here long enough to expect it. I know not to expect any better.

So why don't you spare a few precious words joining with members of other faiths in condemning the attack and supporting unity: https://www.australianjewishnews.com/religious-leaders-condemn-bondi-terror-attack/

'Religious leaders across Australia have united in condemning the terrorist attack on a Chanukah gathering at Bondi Beach, expressing solidarity with the Jewish community and calling for national unity.

The Australian National Imams Council (ANIC) issued a statement declaring that “an attack on one community is an attack on us all” and affirming that “antisemitism, expressed through hate, harassment, and violence directed at the Jewish community, has no place in our society”.

“We will defy the division sought by those who seek to divide us,” ANIC said, urging Muslims to “reach out to their Jewish neighbours, friends, and colleagues to offer support and comfort during this difficult time”.

Don't you agree that it would be nice if people could just do that and keep the politically motivated garbage to themselves?

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A terrible thing to have happened. My condolences to your wife's colleague and all the bereaved and injured. Also praise for the brave man, who disarmed one of the gunmen, and for the police, medics etc., who dealt with the situation and its aftermath.

It must be very upsetting for those of you living in the area, as well. I understand about not being able to just turn to another channel. I hope the community can come together and support each other and the victims. I expect it will. I'm sorry that you and your wife have had the shock of this so close to home.

Zacharias was the father of John the Baptist, and he spoke these prophetic words right after his wife Elizabeth had given birth to their son, John, whom God called to be “a voice of one crying in the wilderness, ‘make straight the way of the Lord,’ as Isaiah the prophet said” (John 1:23 NASB1995). John was to preach and to baptize for repentance, to prepare the way of the Lord Jesus Christ, to get the people of Israel ready to receive Jesus Christ as their Lord and Messiah, the promised seed of Abraham (see Galatians 3:16).

For the redemption of the Israelites spoken about here, which is available for all people ever since Jesus Christ’s death and resurrection, is about Jesus’ sacrifice of his body and his blood on that cross to buy us back for God out of our lives of living in slavery to sin and for self, so that, by God-persuaded faith in Christ, we will now serve the Lord with our lives in walks of surrender to God in obedience to his commands in holy living. For by faith we are rescued from what enslaved us so we can live holy lives, pleasing to God.

And John the Baptist fulfilled God’s calling upon his life to prepare the hearts of the people to receive Jesus Christ as the promised seed of Abraham, their Messiah, although most of the Jews at that time chose not to believe in Jesus. And many of the rulers and teachers of the law, and people of influence in the temple of God (at that time), were strongly opposed to Jesus Christ, and so they continually harassed him and tried to trip him up with his words, in hopes that they would have cause to accuse him of wrongdoing.

But John the Baptist was to give the Israelites (the Jews) of that time the knowledge of salvation by the forgiveness of their sins. But this salvation is not a free pass to keep living in sin and in disobedience to God without conscience and without remorse, as many people teach it today. For by faith in Jesus we are delivered (saved) out of our addiction to sin so we can now live for God in walks of obedience to his commands. For repentance is turning away from sin so we can live for our Lord in surrender to his will.

For by God-gifted faith in Jesus Christ, which is not of our own doing, we are crucified with Christ in death to sin and raised with Christ to walk in newness of life in him, no longer to live as slaves to sin but as slaves to righteousness in walks of obedience to God’s commands. We are no longer to permit sin to reign in our mortal bodies to make us obey its desires. For if sin is what we obey, it results in death. But if obedience to God is what we obey, it results in sanctification, and its end is eternal life with God (see Romans 6:1-23).

[Matthew 7:13-14,21-23; Luke 9:23-26; John 10:27-30; Acts 26:18; Romans 1:18-32; Romans 2:5-10; Romans 3:23; Romans 6:1-23; Romans 8:1-14; 1 Corinthians 10:1-22; Galatians 5:16-24; Ephesians 2:8-10; Ephesians 4:17-32; Ephesians 5:3-6; Titus 2:11-14; Hebrews 3:1-19; Hebrews 4:1-13; Hebrews 10:19-39; Hebrews 12:1-2; 1 Peter 2:24; 1 John 1:1-10; 1 John 2:3-6; 1 John 3:4-10; Revelation 2:1-29; Revelation 3:1-22]

But that knowledge of salvation from sin was not meant to be for the Jews only, but to include the Gentiles, which God had planned all along. And by faith in Jesus Christ, Jew and Gentile became one, no longer separate, but one people of God, one holy nation, the Israel of God. And all Jews who rejected Jesus as their Messiah (the Christ) were cut out of Israel. But by faith in Jesus Christ they can be united with the Israel of God. So there is only one biblical nation of Israel, and it is all who believe in Jesus Christ.

[Genesis 17:7-9; Genesis 18:19; John 8:18-19,38-47; Romans 2:28-29; Romans 6:1-23; Romans 8:1-14; Romans 9:4-8,25-28; Romans 11:1-36; 1 Corinthians 10:1-22; Galatians 3:16,26-29; Galatians 4:22-31; Ephesians 2:11-22; Ephesians 3:1-6; Hebrews 3:1-19; Hebrews 4:1-16; Hebrews 8:6-13;1 Peter 2:24; 1 John 2:22; Jude 1:5; Revelation 2:9; Revelation 3:9]

O Come, O Come, Emmanuel

Anonymous/Unknown
Tr. By John M. Neale, 1851

O come, O come, Emmanuel,
And ransom captive Israel
That mourns in lonely exile here
Until the Son of God appear.

O come, Thou Wisdom from on high,
Who orders all things mightily;
To us the path of knowledge show,
And teach us in its ways to go.

O come, Thou Branch of Jesse’s stem,
Unto Thine own and rescue them!
From depths of hell Thy people save,
And give them vict’ry o’er the grave.

O come, Thou Key of David, come
And open wide our heav’nly home;
Make safe for us the heav’nward road,
And bar the way to death’s abode.

O come, Thou Bright and Morning Star,
And bring us comfort from afar!
Dispel the shadows of the night
And turn our darkness into light.

O come, Desire of nations, bind
In one the hearts of all mankind;
Bid all our sad divisions cease,
And be Thyself our King of Peace.

Rejoice! Rejoice! Emmanuel
Shall come to thee, O Israel.

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Mark Quayle said:

You say, "Death does not need to be described in anthropomorphic terms, neither does life." Yet, that is all you have done here. You define them by your point-of-view." Even when you use scriptural terminology, you don't know more than what little you know, just like me. Can you say, WHY, or HOW life does what it does? Who does God think we are, apart from him?

Look at the various words for destruction in both old and NT, and even the contexts for "done away with" in its various expressions. I don't often read them to mean, "returned to null". I'm not saying you are wrong. I'm saying you haven't done much to support your position. It seems to me that there's too much to contrast with God's abhorrence of sin and his retribution for it, to say they are just returned to non-existence.

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Anthropomorphic terms are used to describe something about God in human terms so we would understand something about Him we are not familiar with - God does not die, and we are not talking about Gods death (?) we are talking about ‘our’ death (as in the OP). There is no reason to use anthropomorphic at all because we all know what death and life are. I did not bring up anthropomorphic.

What little ‘I‘ know about life and death? I know what life and death are, but I do not know what you are talking about if you don’t know what it means to be alive or dead.

You may be thinking of the purely annihilationist view, I am not exposing that. If you read my posts you see that I am exposing the Conditionalist position- that the sinner is punished according to their deeds. They are not ‘just returned to non-existence’ as you said. They are punished, each for their own sins, some I suppose for a very long time, and then thrown into the Lake of fire.

The Trump administration lowering the car exhaust regulations will lead to a tremendous increase of cancer cases.
Nobody increases cancers like Trump does. Everybody says him "Sir, you are so good at increasing cancer cases, the most beautiful cancer . Doctors tell him that they have never seen cancers like the TRump cancers.

In 2022, more than 18 million Americans were living with cancer.1 The National Cancer Institute estimates that roughly 39 percent of adults in the United States will be diagnosed with cancer at some stage in their lifetime.2 More than 2 million new cancer cases, including almost 10,000 among children, will be diagnosed in the United States this year alone, with 618,120 people expected to die from the disease, according to estimates by the National Cancer Institute.3

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rjs330 said:

So is this against the law or not? If not, then he's fine to do it and I don't care. If it is against the law then he should face justice consequences for doing so.

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It's taking away from the poor, that needs the money. While pretending care about the non-born, babies and people, when he doesn't care. And putting the money elsewhere to cheat. He should be forced to give back $36.2 million to the people in his state that needs it.

Yarddog said:

Jesus' idea of making America great again is to start over, taking it back before Europeans got here.

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Yes because a bunch of backward savages who made war on each other, tortured, enslaved, raped and murdered each other were way better. Child sacrifice was much better.

Carl Emerson said:

It would be good then to consider the 'Word of their testimony' as it applies to all believers.

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I'll leave that to you, since that seems to me to be a distortion of the text as written.

So much for our conservative counterparts lecturing the rest of us over what they considered to be inappropriate responses concerning the death of Charlie Kirk!

Conservatives found fault with individual private citizens over their response to Kirk's death in
contrast Donald Trump who is supposed to be the President for all Americans - including the ones who have criticized him publicly!




A President who is incapable of tolerating criticisms from private citizens should never aspire to serve in the White House - constant criticism and personal attacks come with the territory and should never invoke "an unhinged" response!

If Trump had nothing good to say about Rob and Michele Reiner then he should have had the White House staff issue the customary condolences - his rant reflects far more on his state of mind than that of his intended target(s)!

Your concept of God being formed is alien to any of the original language speakers.

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Unqualified said:

They are Gods people and this makes them acceptable. Those in the church that say otherwise should watch there step and not judge because many disagree so err on the side of caution be cause you are surely wrong. God is not done with Israel.

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You should watch yours as well as there are many brothers and sisters in Christ who are covenant theologians- the church is Israel!

A Jewish individual that rejects Christ is not saved!

DaisyDay said:

The problem is the repeated, constant conflating all Muslims with Islamists.

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I dont think thats necessarily true. Even now in rhe US the proposed bans are for certain areas. Its not a blanket ban on all Muslims.

The other difficulty is that there often isn't any obvious difference between the regular Muslims and Islamists until it is too late. Like what happened in DC and in Australia. They can live here under the radar for years then suddenly pop off.

Thats particularly why we need to be very judicious on where people are coming from. And probably do a lot more deep dive into their backgrounds and interviews even from places that aren't that way.

Vambram said:

Only liberals really believe President Trump has committed fraud. The rest of the nation denounced that belief in November 2024.

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That's not how trials work.

Hey, Miss @DreamyLaLa , I happened to think of your mermaid story about Crystal from earlier this year and wanted to see if you were still around CF. Glad you are and that you seem to be doing well enough.

Ellesmere said:

1) In a world of limited resources, a capitalistic society human engineering would be privatized - reserved for the wealthy whose prime purpose will be that to increase and preserve the advantages that they already enjoy!

2) Social engineering world undermine democracies and the concept of equality!

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with engineered humans we can do more with less humans, less resources.

Revelation and the Rapture

Revelation is and has been happening since Christ left, Revelation is repeating the same prophecy, the rapture is a deception introduced by those associated with the office of the beast, the notion that there are other worlds and beings on them is part of the blaspheme spoken of in Revelation 13:6.
Now in much detail:

-Revelation​

In Revelation John sees a vision very similar to what Ezekiel saw.

Revelation 4:3 - Ezekiel 1:28
Revelation 4:7 - Ezekiel 1:10

Ezekiel sees a view from the ground, John sees a view from the air.

John is having a vision: Revelation 4:2 "I was in the spirit".

Johns vision is similar to the vision Ezekiel had,
but he also sees 24 elders circling the throne.


And what is happening in Revelation is similar to the book of Daniel:

Daniel vision 1 ending :
"And in the days of these kings shall the God of heaven set up a kingdom, which shall never be destroyed"
Daniel 2:44

Daniel Vision 2 ending :
"Until the Ancient of days came,
and judgment was given to the saints of the Most High; and the time came that the saints obtained the kingdom"
Daniel 7:22


Different visions but describing the same ending, visions about the same ultimate thing; the establishment of Gods kingdom.

And Daniel 9 to the end gives details about that same end.

Revelation is following the same pattern, but with a few more visions.

Revelation also clearly repeats the same ending throughout the book:

The End Number 1: (seals)​

"the great day of His wrath is come" Revelation 6:17

Revelation 6:12-13 - Matthew 24:29
Revelation 6:15-16 - Matthew 24:30

"the Lamb that is in the midst of the throne shall feed them,
and shall lead them unto living fountains of waters"
Revelation 7:17 (Revelation 22:1,17)

The End Number 2: (trumpets)​

"And the seventh angel sounded;
and there were great voices in heaven,
saying, the kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord,
and of his Christ; and He shall reign for ever and ever"
Revelation 11:15 (Revelation 19:16-21, 20:1-5)

"And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, (Revelation 20:13)
and that Thou should give reward unto Thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear Thy name, small and great;
and should destroy them which destroy the earth" Revelation 11:18

The End Number 3: (Revelation 12 13 14)​

"And the serpent cast out of his mouth water as a flood after the woman,
that he might cause her to be carried away of the flood" Revelation 12:15

"And after 62 weeks shall Messiah suffer the death penalty, but not for Himself,
and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary;
and the end thereof shall be with a flood,
and unto the end of the war desolations are determined" Daniel 9:26

"And another angel came out of the temple, crying with a loud voice to him that sat on the cloud, Thrust in thy sickle, and reap: for the time is come for thee to reap; for the harvest of the earth is ripe."
Revelation 14:15 Matthew 13:30 The harvest, the end. (Revelation 19:11-14)

"And another angel came out from the altar,
which had power over FIRE,
and cried with a loud cry to him that had the sharp sickle, saying, Thrust in thy sharp sickle, and gather the clusters of the vine of the earth;
for her grapes are fully ripe."

"And the winepress was trodden without the city, and blood came out of the winepress"
Revelation 14:18-20
(fire being a key term, this is figuratively talking about Revelation 20:12-13)

The End Number 4: (vials)​

"...which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world
to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty" (Revelation 19:19)

"Behold I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watches, and keeps his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame"

"And he gathered them together to a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon."

"And the seventh angel poured his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, it is done"

Revelation 16:13-17 (Revelation 19:1-19)



Each ending of each vision,
is a description of the same end we get details of in Revelation 19 through 22.

Therefore it should be clear that Revelation is repeating itself.

Each vision is a retelling of the same prophecy,
each vision gives different details of the same repeated prophecy.
And the end of Revelation gives specific details of the end of the prophecy.

Another way we can see that the prophecy is being repeated is in the following verses:


"And they had a king over them, which is the angel of the bottomless pit"
Revelation 9:11

"when they shall have finished their testimony,
the beast that ascends out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them
and shall overcome them and kill them"
Revelation 11:7

"the beast that you saw was and is not,
and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit"
Revelation 17:8

-Rapture​

Some claim that Revelation 4:1 is the 'rapture'.

"After this I looked, and behold a door was opened in the sky;
and the first voice which I heard was as it were of a trumpet talking with me;
which said come up hither, and I will show you things which must be hereafter"

But John is having a vision, he is seeing a vision in the sky, very similar to what Ezekiel saw in Ezekiel chapter 1.
He is "in the spirit" Revelation 4:2, he is not physically taken to the city of heaven.

And the trumpet from 4:1 can not also be the trumpet from 11:15.
And because of such, yet trying to hold onto the view that 4:1 is the rapture,
people then will say there are two raptures.
But as shown above Revelation 11:15 is referring to the end,
the time when the kingdoms of the world become the kingdoms of the Lord,
which is the beginning of the 1000 years as described in more detail in Revelation 19:19 through 20:4.

-A Clear timeline​

And most notably, it is clear that the seals of Revelation began to be opened,
when Christ ascended and sat down at the right hand of the Father.
Revelation 5:5 specifically tells us that Christ prevailed to open the seals.

Christ died and physically rose from the dead.

Matthew 27:37-50,
Matthew 28:1-7,
Luke 24:37-39

Afterward He physically ascended up beyond the sky.

Acts 1:9-11

And is set down at the right hand of the Father.

Hebrews 12:2

At the right hand of the Father is a scroll.

Revelation 5:1

The book of Revelation says Jesus prevailed to open the scroll.

Revelation 5:5

The time of Jesus literally ascending was around 33ad ~ 50ad.

(as per historical record)

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Revelation states that some of it had happened already.

"and there are seven kings, five are fallen, and one is, the other is not yet come; and when he comes, he must continue a short space"
Revelation 17:10

[ these kings were in the office of beast #1,
eventually someone in that office will seem to be wounded to death and healed, (Revelation 13:3) and after that point he is eighth. (Revelation 17:11) today the fact that this person is a king is kept secret ]

Jerusalem was destroyed in 70ad

(as per historical record)

The inquisition and the crusades happened around 1090 ~ 1600,
some of this time period is called the dark ages.

(as per historical record)

Napoleon went out conquering around 1700's ~ early 1800's

(as per historical record)
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The world began to be even more at war with each other starting in the 1900's

(1918 ww1 1939-1945 ww2, Hitlers time was clearly red)
(1948-1967 war concerning Israel)
(1967 to present day ongoing military occupation and conflict in and around Israel)
(in the past it was called the 50 years war, it will reach 70 years in 2037)
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And that leads us to present day.

The worlds economy is collapsing now.

A cashless society in which no one will be able to buy or sell
without their identity involved, is on the horizon.
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Electronic tattoos are on the horizon.

A.i. is learning more and more everyday.

We of this time can more clearly envision what the image and mark of the beast may be.

Certainly it will have something to do with modern technology and modern 'science'.

Revelation says that the beast will open his mouth in blaspheme about what is outside of the sky: Revelation 13:6.

Daniel also alludes to that there will be falsehood related to the stars: Daniel 8:10,12, 25.

Paul told us that the anti-Christ arrives with much deception: 2 Thessalonians 2:9-12

"Whose coming is after the working of Satan,
with all power and signs and lying wonders, and with all unrighteous deception among them that perish, because they received not the love (Matt 7:12) of the truth, that they might be saved. (they choose to deceive rather than love)
And for this reason God shall send them strong delusion such that they believe The lie (Genesis 3:4) That they all might be damned who believed not the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness."
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The rapture deception​

One of the deceptions is the notion of a 'rapture', a time when people disappear leaving the rest behind.

"by your sorcery were all nations deceived" Revelation 18:23

By your pharmakia were all nations deceived.

"Whereas you saw iron mixed with clay,
they shall mingle themselves with the seed of man, but they shall not adhere one to another even as iron does not mix with clay."
Daniel 2:43


Nano robots, smaller than cells in the body, tiny pieces of metal that can be remote controlled.
(see the Ted Talk held in Israel in 2013)

What was initially designed for good health purposes is being used by evil men for deceptive satanic purposes.

Injected with such technology a person can become overrun with the bots,
and their immune system tries hard to get them out. But at just the right amount,
the person can live fine and the bots can do various tasks, the bots can also get hot.
Using this technology it is possible to burn a person from the inside out.
The result is a plasma burst from inside out,
as the individual cells of the body heat up and burn really fast.

Using such technology the evil doers plan on making a so called 'rapture' happen.

And after many years of deceptive indoctrination, many people will be fooled by it.

Believing the 'rapture' has happened,
they will then be led to believe that the new tyrant that comes to power is the anti-Christ.
(perhaps he will be in power shortly before the so called rapture)

Believing that ww3 is against the anti-Christ, when the beast, a prominent religious king,
gets wounded and healed, they will be led to think that something from God has happened to him, that he is a martyr healed from death by God.

And believing all those deceptions, they will be willing to listen to the beast.

The beast will be speaking blaspheme about what is in heaven, Revelation 13:6

And will usher in the false prophet, one claiming to be Jesus.

Due to the grand deceptions, many will fall for their lies.

But those heeding the scriptures carefully, can not be deceived.

"Wherefore if they shall say unto you,
behold he is in the desert; go not forth;
or behold he is in the secret chambers; believe it not" Matthew 24:26

No one knows the day or the hour of the Lords return, and the Lord does not return in secret of any kind.

The Messiah said He would come, with His angels, after the tribulation.

Matthew 24:29-31

Mark 13:24-27

Any correct view of the rest of the prophecy,
must use the words of Christ as the foundation.
Paul indeed builds upon that foundation and a strong foundation in scripture.

The Lord did not specifically mention the dead rising in the above passages.

Paul gives us the specific information that the dead rise first, then the alive.
(1 Thess 4:16-17)

How can Paul conclude such? From scripture.

"Come from the four winds, Oh breath of life,
and breath upon these slain, that they may live"
Ezekiel 37:9-12

Paul was a Pharisee, they believed that such passages were a promise of actual resurrection,
while the Sadducees did not believe such passages were about resurrection: Acts 23:5-8, 26:5-8.
Ezekiel 37:9-12 is the promise of resurrection Paul is referring to in Acts 26:7-8.

(there is no other promise concerning resurrection of the nation given directly from God. In Ezekiel God says "Oh my people, I will open up your graves and bring you up out of your graves" in modern times there is much misunderstanding related to that passage, but my hope is that you will take it for what it says, let Gods word be true and every man a liar)

Therefore when the Lord said He would gather "from the four winds" (Matthew 24:31 Mark 13:27) one well versed in scripture as Paul was, and being of the Pharisees,
would understand that as a reference to the prophecy in Ezekiel, and therefore resurrection.


The Lord comes with His angels, and the dead and alive rise:
Matthew 24:30-31 Mark 13:27

(Ezekiel 37:9-10 "from the four winds" being a reference to resurrection,
"from one end of the sky to the other" being a reference to alive people.
but we could also say that Matthew 24:31 is the dead, and Matthew 24:41 the alive
and Paul makes it clear that it all happens in the twinkling of an eye, boom, we are just up there,
I think that it happens upon death, a saint will wake up from death on a horse high up in the air)

The Lord comes with His angels, and the dead and alive rise:
1 Thessalonians 4:16-17,
2nd Thessalonians 1:7-10
"....with the voice of the arch angel..."
"... rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from the sky, with His holy angels"


Matthew 24:28-40

"For wheresoever the carcase is there will the birds be gathered together"

"immediately after the tribulation of those days
shall the sun be darkened and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from the sky"(Rev 6:12-13)

"And He shall send forth His angels with the great sound of a trumpet and they shall gather together his chosen ones from the four winds,
from one end of the sky to the other"

"Then shall two be in the field, one taken, the other left"
(Matthew 24:40 and Luke 17:36)

Luke 17:37
"And they asked Him, Where Lord?
"And He said unto them,
Wheresoever the carcase is there will the birds be gathered together"

And we are given more details about it in Revelation 19:17-21

"....and all the birds were filled with their flesh"

His response in Luke 17:37 matching Matthew 24:28 shows us that the two passages are speaking about the same thing.

Taken altogether and in order, Matthew 24, Mark 13, Luke 17,
1 Corinthians 15:51-58,
1 Thessalonians 4:16-17,
2 Thessalonians 1:7-10 ,
2 Thessalonians 2:1-11,
we get the full understanding and order.

And Paul does mention angels arriving with Christ in Thessalonians.



There is no doctrine that can come up with a 'rapture' (a disappearance of people)
from scripture without taking things out of order and out of context.





Ezekiel 37:1-15 = resurrections
Ezekiel 37:15-24 = reign of the Messiah
Ezekiel 38 and 39 = Gog and Magog

Revelation 20:4-5 = resurrections
Revelation 20:5-7 = reign of the Messiah
Revelation 20:7-10 = Gog and Magog

Isaiah 26:19 = resurrections
Isaiah 27:1 = and the Lord slays two beasts on that day

Revelation 19:7-14 = marriage of the Lamb, which we know involves resurrections
Revelation 19:14-21 = and the Lord slays two beasts on that day

Backed by the order in Isaiah, we thereby know for sure how to understand Revelation 19,
resurrections then slaying of the beasts.


Job 38:17 = Christ dies and rises from the dead immortal
Job 38:22-23 = Hiterls loss largely due to the winter


.
Job 38:25 = Thunder, seventh angel beginning to sound
Job 38:33 = Reign

"for I know that my redeemer lives,
and He shall stand at the last day upon the land.
And even if worms destroy my body and I die,
yet in my flesh shall I see the Lord"
Job 19:25-26


And Paul did not call it the rapture, Paul called what he was speaking about, the resurrection.

2 Timothy 2:18

comana said:

A friend of an ex with unknown motive. Very trustworthy.

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A friend of her ex brother/husband.

are you saying it is not IT?