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False Mysticism

The definition of mysticism that the bible is against is when you prioritize subjective, personal spiritual experiences and private revelations as a source of truth equal to or greater than the Bible.
Lets go with thst definition. I think the article refers to what happens when this sense of subjective personal experience opposes science. Flat Earth a good example. We just need the government to change, edit and delete science education and research.
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The Conjuring universe and Ed & Lorraine Warren

I have read the books about some of their higher-profile cases---The Amityville Horror; and The Haunting (dealing with the Smurl family case in Pennsylvania), and the cases of the Perron family in Rhode Island (made into the movie The Conjuring), the Snedeker house (made into the movie A Haunting in Connecticut), the Hodgson case in Enfield, London (made into the movie The Conjuring 2).

I didn't find anything in them to fit in with the attacks their critics have plastered them with; I think a lot of it is simply attacking anything of this sort by people who stubbornly refuse to accept that there's anything supernatural in the world, similar to the people who debunk UFO accounts or people who slam Creationists or Catastrophists because their views disagree with evolution and uniformitarianism.

There is a documentary out there called My Amityville Horror, released in 2012; Danny Lutz, the oldest son in the case, recounts his personal experiences in the house, and their aftermath; Lorraine Warren is also in the film. They both make a very, very convincing case for their truthfulness and sincerity, in my humble opinion. It's worth a watch, but be warned: Danny uses some pretty gritty language throughout the film. Nothing you wouldn't hear on a military base, but it's there, so just be aware if you decide to watch it. :)
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Billionaire Bishop Edir Macedo sells luxury condo in Porsche Design Tower for $13M

I meant the denomination as a whole. There’s Assemblies of God, Church of God in Christ, Church of God, Apostolic etc among many others. I don’t know if they form an inter communion or not.

I don't know about other places, but in here different 'pentecostal organizations' share some events, and people move from church to other church.
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47: Russia, Russia, Russia

Trump sent a letter to Polish President Navrocki; details have not been disclosed at this point.


In another development, President Navrocki backs Trump’s efforts to cut off Russian oil.


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National Guard Accidentally Sends Evidence Of Troop Disillusionment To The Washington Post

This news — you know, the stuff that shows National Guard troops aren’t exactly happy to be expendable pieces in Trump revenge schemes — is unsurprising. No one signed up for this, but Donald Trump and a bunch of suck-ups scattered across a handful of red states have made Trump’s War on DC the new day-to-day operation for troops who’d probably rather be doing anything else than this.

And what exactly is “this?” Well, it’s all sorts of things. Some of “this” is standing idly by while law enforcement officers do law enforcement work. Some of “this” is sleeping on floors, defecating in Humvees, being the constant gardener you never wished to see in the world, and not knowing if you’re actually going to get your next paycheck, much less the pension you’ve been drilling for.

While previous reports of widespread discontent have been mostly hearsay contributed by anonymous troops and officers, this one comes straight from the US military. Yeah, the Department of War is just as sloppy as the guy running it — the one who decided it was okay to share war plans with family members and family members’ acquaintances.

The lede gets buried a bit in the Washington Post report by Alex Horton


Not for public consumption, however, is an internal “media roll up” that analyzes the tone of news stories and social media posts about the National Guard’s presence and activities in Washington.
[…]
“Trending videos show residents reacting with alarm and indignation,” a summary from Friday said. “One segment features a local [resident]describing the Guard’s presence as leveraging fear, not security — highlighting widespread discomfort with what many perceive as a show of force.”

A National Guard official acknowledged the documents are authentic but downplayed their sensitivity, saying the assessments are intended for internal use and were inadvertently emailed to The Post last week.
That’s the sort of unforced error that has been the calling card of the military under Pete Hegseth’s “leadership.” A guy who loves photo ops and fawning interviews more than he likes actually doing his job isn’t an anomaly in the Trump administration. It’s the other thing: emblematic.

See also: the final line in this WaPo paragraph.

It is unclear how many people mistakenly received the documents.

Article at:

The bad news is that our troops are being used for political purposes, and they know and resent it. The good news is that the guys ordering this stuff are massively incompetent.

Daniel 11:40-44, followed by Armageddon

They are looking fir a Jewish Messiah which they see as a Political leader, the operative word is Jewish, they are not looking for a Gentile Messiah, this AC will be a Gentile Leader.
"Anti" - a prefix for against and/or instead of.

Christ - the King of Israel Mark 15:32.

Jesus was a Jew. King of the Jews.


The Antichrist will be the King of the Jews instead of Jesus the rightful King of the Jews. He must be a Jew.
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How is everybody?

Hey, Gnarly---good to see you! :)

It's been a wild and wooly summer. Momma had to go in for a total hysterectomy from April through July; she's on the mend. The kid started school, quit school, and is looking for a full-time job. He feels bad about dropping out, but I told him it is virtually impossible for a man to make a fatal career mistake before the age of 30 or so.....or at least, it didn't in my day, lol.

And me, well, I just get older and stiffer and unable to do more things as time goes on. I will be 65 on December 2nd, and I feel every year of it. :( All those years as a combat engineer in the military and pounding pavement as a beat cop have taken their toll on my body....and yet, I just keep chugging along.

Overall, I can't complain. I have enough to eat and a roof over my head, and I am definitely looking forward to the cooler weather. A lot of leaves have started to change up here in northern Michigan, mostly ferns, sassafras, sumac and some of the trees; some of the sugar maples are a bright flaming red already. If it gets cold enough to kill all the bugs, I'll be happy. :)
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Don't Be Partakers With Them

“Let no one deceive you with empty words, for because of these things the wrath of God comes upon the sons of disobedience. Therefore do not be partakers with them; for you were formerly darkness, but now you are Light in the Lord; walk as children of Light (for the fruit of the Light consists in all goodness and righteousness and truth), trying to learn what is pleasing to the Lord. Do not participate in the unfruitful deeds of darkness, but instead even expose them; for it is disgraceful even to speak of the things which are done by them in secret. But all things become visible when they are exposed by the light, for everything that becomes visible is light.” (Ephesians 5:6-13 NASB1995)

“These things” include immorality, any impurity, greed, filthy language, coarse jesting, covetousness, idolatry, and the like (see also Romans 1:18-32; 1 Corinthians 6:9-10; Galatians 5:16-21; Ephesians 4:17-32; Ephesians 5:3-6; Colossians 3:5-11; 1 Thessalonians 4:1-8). And if we are those who practice such things as these, habitually and deliberately, we will have no inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God. For because of these things the wrath of God comes on the sons of disobedience who continue in sin.

For Jesus Christ taught that to come to him we must deny self, take up our cross daily (die daily to sin), and follow (obey) him. For if we hold on to living in sin and for self, we will lose our lives for eternity. But if we deny self, die daily to sin, by the Spirit, and we walk in obedience to our Lord and to his commands, in his power, then we have eternal life with God. For not everyone who calls him “Lord” will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one DOING (obeying) the will of God (see Luke 9:23-26; Matthew 7:21-23).

Therefore, we are not to be partakers with those who walk (in conduct, in practice) in deliberate sin and in disobedience to our Lord. And this includes people who profess faith in Jesus Christ, too. For the faith which saves us from our sins, and which promises us eternal life with God, is of God, and according to his will, and empowered and persuaded of God as to his righteousness and holiness, and of our sinfulness, and of our need to die with Christ to sin and to walk with him in obedience to his commands.

So, we are no longer to participate in the works of darkness and in sinful practices and in walks of disobedience to our Lord’s commandments. For if our faith in Jesus is genuine biblical faith, which is of God, and not of human flesh, then our lives of walking in sin and in disobedience to God should now be a thing of the past. And now we should be walking (in conduct, in practice) in the light of God’s truth, goodness, and righteousness. And we should be seeking the Lord to know what is pleasing to him and to do it.

Not only are we not to walk (in conduct) in sin and in disobedience to our Lord in living in ways contrary to his will and purpose for our lives, but we are to be those who are exposing the fruitless deeds of darkness. We should be those who are calling out the lies which so many people are believing as truth. For so many people are being deceived into exchanging the truth of the gospel for a lie. And they are being convinced that God does not require of them obedience and death to sin for salvation and eternal life with God.

For by God-gifted faith in Jesus Christ, which is not of our own doing, we are crucified with Christ in death to sin and raised with Christ to walk in newness of life in him, no longer to live as slaves to sin but as slaves to righteousness in walks of obedience to God’s commands. We are no longer to permit sin to reign in our mortal bodies to make us obey its desires. For if sin is what we obey, it results in death. But if obedience to God is what we obey, it results in sanctification, and its end is eternal life with God (see Romans 6:1-23).

[Matthew 7:13-14,21-23; Luke 9:23-26; John 1:12-13; John 6:44; John 10:27-30; Acts 26:18; Romans 1:18-32; Romans 2:5-10; Romans 3:23; Romans 6:1-23; Romans 8:1-14; 1 Corinthians 10:1-22; Galatians 5:16-24; Ephesians 2:8-10; Ephesians 4:17-32; Ephesians 5:3-6; Titus 2:11-14; Hebrews 3:1-19; Hebrews 4:1-13; Hebrews 10:23-31; Hebrews 12:1-2; 1 Peter 2:24; 1 John 1:1-10; 1 John 2:3-6; 1 John 3:4-10]

Seek the Lord

Based off Isaiah 55
An Original Work / July 20, 2012
Christ’s Free Servant, Sue J Love
Musical Instrumentation by Mark Bradley


“Come to Me all you who thirst; come to waters.
Listen to Me, and eat what’s good today,
And your soul will delight in richest of fare.
Give ear to Me, and you will live.
I have made an eternal covenant with you.
Wash in the blood of the Lamb.”

Seek the Lord while He may be found; call on Him.
Let the wicked forsake his way, in truth.
Let him turn to the Lord, and he will receive mercy.
Freely, God pardons him.
“For My thoughts are not your thoughts,
Nor are your ways My ways,”
declares the Lord, our God.

“My word that goes out of My mouth is truthful.
It will not return to Me unfulfilled.
My word will accomplish all that I desire,
And achieve the goal I intend.
You will go in joy and be led forth in peace.
The mountains will burst into song… before you,
And all of the trees clap their hands.”

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An Original Work / September 17, 2025
Christ’s Free Servant, Sue J Love

Great Tribulation and the "Climate" Agenda

When the economy collapses, there will of course be a shortage of food. Many countries will hoard. Evil may try to market this as a result of the fabricated "climate crisis" and thereby succeed in introducing mass surveillance/communism. This will not be allowed, and therefore war may be necessary as long as too few are aware of the climate propaganda.

Communist propaganda like this:

"Rising food prices driven by climate crisis threaten world’s poorest, report finds"
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Do we worship together with those who reject Jesus?

Maybe, but only If an unbeliever asks a prayer of God that is according to His will.

"He that turneth away his ear from hearing the law, even his prayer shall be abomination." Proverbs 28:9
"Then shall they cry unto the Lord, but He will not hear them: He will even hide His face from them at that time, as they have behaved themselves ill in their doings." Micah 3:4.
Becky whatever God wills comes to pass. Yes. And sometimes he listens other times he listens and rejects as is the example of your Micah 3:4 and proverbs 28: 9 . But you have other passages such as Nineveh where the people preyed to God to save their city from destruction. Jonah 3:5-10..doesn’t mean they were all believers. How many times in the history of Israel did the God spare Israel and stay his hand from judgement from the pleas of their prayers not all were believers. Actually none of us were once believers. We were all seperated from God. Yet God chose to hear our prayers ❤️ despite the wall of partition. He continues to do so and evaluate every believers and every unbelievers prayers alike to this very day
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ABC pulls 'Jimmy Kimmel Live' off air 'indefinitely' over Charlie Kirk comments

You know, I believe in freedom of speech but Kimmel repeatedly spreads misinformation. He is not a political pundit. He is supposed to be a television host and comedian. People seriously need to stay in their lane. He shot him self in the foot this time.
Freedom of speech include freedom to utter misinformation. That said, freedom of speech mean free from government censorship, not freedom from consequences. Apparently, a number of affiliates notified ABC of their intent to no longer air the show. Depending on their contract, that could be well within their power. TV affiliates can and have pre-empted network programming. That, apparently, is what prompted ABC to can Kimmel.
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Christian Artists Remember Charlie Kirk

Music is a ministry. It isn’t merely about worship and many hearts are moved through song. To say only followers of Christ are welcome is horrible. Imagine hearing the same from a pastor.

~bella


I didn't notice this being a part of the memorial for Charlie Kirk - I doubt Charlie Kirk would support that type of message.

It's good the artist clarified his intentions behind his words. I would hate for anyone to say such a thing instead of honoring Charlie Kirks memory. .
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Trump dispenses with trials, orders military strike on alleged Venezuelan drug-trafficking boat (Now up to 2)

Former GOP officials fear US strikes on alleged drug smugglers aren't legal

“There has to be a line between crime and war,” said John Yoo, a former deputy assistant attorney general under President George W. Bush. “We can’t just consider anything that harms the country to be a matter for the military. Because that could potentially include every crime.”

Yoo, now a professor at the University of California Berkeley, authored the Bush administration’s legal justification for enhanced interrogation techniques against suspected al Qaeda terrorists in the early years of Bush’s war on terror.

Legal experts have called on the administration to release a formal legal opinion justifying the strikes. A Justice Department spokesperson declined to comment Monday when asked whether DOJ’s Office of Legal Counsel issued an opinion.

A senior administration official, granted anonymity to speak candidly about the administration’s view, said recently that the president thinks the politics of the matter are favorable and thus paramount to any legal quibbles from experts at think tanks, lawmakers or online commentators.

“What separates the U.S. military from a death squad is the law,” said Brian Finucane, a former State Department attorney who advised the Barack Obama and first Trump administration on legal and policy issues related to counterterrorism. “I’m very concerned that the American public does not grasp the stakes here: The President is asserting a license to kill without due process and outside the context of armed conflict.”

Taking a similar view, Ed Whelan, a clerk for the late Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia and deputy assistant attorney general during the George W. Bush administration, wrote in a post on X: “There is a line between legitimate acts of war (or of self-defense) and murder. It would be good for government officials to care about staying on the right side of that line.”
I keep saying: That's up to Congress and the Supreme Court to either contest or roll over.

Everyone else is just a nattering nabob of nurgatoriness.
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Charlie Kirk Didn’t Shy Away From Who He Was. We Shouldn’t, Either

The scary thing for the left is the government getting involved with punishing people for their speech. For a workplace to do so is their prerogative, but the governmental overreach is concerning. That nobody is allowed to criticize Kirk or face government retribution is a few steps in the wrong direction. Assassination is shocking and wrong but that doesn't make Kirk an untouchable saint.
Exactly.
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Quick question regarding: prophétés: Prophet and prophétis: Prophetess

Is Mrs. EGW considered to be a prophétés or a prophétis?

Matthew 1:22
Luke 2:36



"IESUS" in the 1611 KJV Bible​


IESUS IN THE 1611 KJV BIBLE


1833 Published at Oxford, UK, an exact reprint, page for page of the first issue, 1611 King James Version. A large quarto, with the spelling, punctuation, italics, capitals, and distribution into lines and pages followed with the most scrupulous care; the type is Roman instead of Black Letter, and the ornamental initials at the beginning of the chapters are mere fancy work.

Nineteenth Century Bibles and Biblical History From 1800-1899




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Ellen G. White wrote The Desire of Ages, a book detailing the life of Jesus, which was published in 1898. While the final book was published in 1898, White worked on the subject of Christ's life for nearly 40 years, with significant writing and work on the manuscript occurring in the 1890s.



The Desire Of Ages [Quote of the Day]

"... Since Jesus came to dwell with us, we know that God is acquainted with our trials, and sympathizes with our griefs. Every son and daughter of Adam may understand that our Creator is the friend of sinners. For in every doctrine of grace, every promise of joy, every deed of love, every divine attraction presented in the Saviours life on earth, we see God with us.




Revelation 14:6-12

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The Desire Of Ages [Quote of the Day]

"... Since Jesus came to dwell with us, we know that God is acquainted with our trials, and sympathizes with our griefs. Every son and daughter of Adam may understand that our Creator is the friend of sinners. For in every doctrine of grace, every promise of joy, every deed of love, every divine attraction presented in the Saviours life on earth, we see God with us.


"... Since Iesus came to dwell with us, we know that God is acquainted with our trials, and sympathizes with our griefs. Every son and daughter of Adam may understand that our Creator is the friend of sinners. For in every doctrine of grace, every promise of joy, every deed of love, every divine attraction presented in the Saviours life on earth, we see God with us.





In 1611, the letter "i" in English was pronounced in two main ways: as a vowel sound like the "ee" in "see" (e.g., in words like "bit" or "ill") and, often in words of foreign origin, as a consonant sound like the "y" in "yes" (e.g., Iesus, Iohn). The separation of "i" and "j" into distinct letters for these sounds was a gradual process that occurred over the 16th and 17th centuries, a shift which was not fully complete by 1611.
Vowel Sound:




In 1611, the name "Jesus" was spelled "Iesus" in the King James Bible and was pronounced with a "Y" sound at the beginning, similar to "EE-ay-soos" or "YAY-soos", not with the modern "J" sound. This pronunciation reflects the older English and German pronunciation of the letter "I" as a consonant, which evolved into the "J" sound later in the 17th century.
I believe she considered herself a messenger. Have you read Desire of Ages?
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Are Some Prayers An Exercise In Futility?

Good to see you and I hope you’re well. :)

This is a difficult period relationally for many primarily due to societal changes, shattered dreams, a loss of hope, financial struggles and gender wars. We’ve heard everything wrong with the other for several years and we’re still going. Add in inequities between men and women in respect to education and career and you have the makings for many problems.

I think social media has distorted our views of ourselves and one another. We’ve become accustomed to levels of appearance, relating and lifestyles that are largely false and trying to have the same. And our expectations are unrealistic. We want everything at once and we’re unwilling to wait.

We’ve been in an extended season of Neverland that needs to end to allow us to get back to normal and that’s the problem. We don’t know what it is anymore. You can’t expect a rational response from someone who spends hours on their phone consuming fantasy. Their mind is mush and that’s your clue.

You need someone grounded and you’ll find them within the church in areas that require sobermindedness. Like teaching, discipleship and intercession. When we lean too far into emotion we often can’t see the forest for the trees and miss opportunities. You want someone who values you in the raw and sees your potential and accustomed to doing so through their service. And your adventurous side will be a welcome change.

I would look for women who are more aligned with marriage and couples than the sisterhood because they‘ll keep you single. Look for someone serving and adding value to others and if you haven’t done the same you should do so. That’s your callimg card and you’ll get attention for the right reasons with others singing your praises.

You have everything you need to find the one you seek for the greatest role you’ll have. Don’t lose heart. :yellowheart:

~bella
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This is the scariest verse in the bible for believers

I was at one time supporting Ray Comfort in Christchurch.

At the same time I got really honest with God realising that I didn't have a passion for the lost.

Being really honest with God, I repented of this, and asked for it.

Within 3 days I had a dream in which I was being led by the hand to the very edge of the pit by an angel.

It was horrific... the stench - overwhelming.

I said to the angel 'do I have to go any further? - I had seen enough...

If you don't have a passion for the lost, get real and honest and ask for it.
Yes, yes, yes!!!! I pray daily that the Holy Spirit will fill me to overflowing so that words come out of my mouth. I also pray for protection that I do not fall back into sin, as sin will stifle the work God is doing in us. We all need to pray that we have that drive.
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