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Canada Bill C-9 We need to pray

We need to pray and write our politicians. Taking away freedom of speech, saying parts of the Bible are hate speech, will not be able to post scripture..
Bill C-9 represents an unacceptable assault on free expression in Canada. (it is especially targeting religious groups) use link provided to send a message to your member of parliament, this link is good for all over Canada.
This bill would give the government the power to criminally prosecute Canadians for their opinions, lower the bar for what legally constitutes “hate,” and strip away vital safeguards that keep authorities from weaponizing laws against dissidents. It risks turning controversial memes into crimes and silencing open debate through fear of prosecution.

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Trump administration says sign language services ‘intrude’ on Trump’s ability to control his image

I mentioned why that could be the case.

Another poster mentioned "ASL is it's own language" (Like Spanish, Japanese, French, etc...)

Trump heavily leverages things like alliteration, "play on words", rhyming, and hyperbolic rhetorical devices.

Things that don't translate well between languages.
Sure - so we ban all translation of Trump's words to languages other than English? Lol. Furthermore, text is very bad at conveying tone, and Trump also heavily uses tone of voice to emphasize his points. Simply reading the words that he says doesn't convey the full meaning either. But ASL does have ways to express tone.
The other aspect (and yes, I'll just say the quiet part out loud so we can all stop beating about the bush), there are times where it can be a distraction from the actual content.
This seems like it would be a very easy problem to deal with from the government's perspective. If an ASL interpreter goes "beyond linguistic necessity," then they're fired/not used again (not sure if they're government employees or contracted). Easy-peasy. "We're not going to do ASL interpretation at all because some ASL interpreters can get a bit extra," is a really weak excuse.
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Strength and protection

My son Jakeb has a doctor appointment tomorrow. He is not doing well mentally at all. Please pray for God's healing love and to protect him. Please pray that God keeps him safe tonight. Calms his mind and no bad thoughts please. A mother's greatest fear is to lose her child. Please pray that won't happen. That God will get him through this and guide us and his doctors. Please ask God to give him some joy and keep him safe. He's crying. Please Dear God give him some happiness. I ask in the name of Jesus. Thank you and God bless you.

I hold a view similar to the Open View of God.

Which is it? A or B?

A. I have a choice whether to follow God.
B. God already knows whether I will choose to follow him or not.

C. You will choose because you must. You cannot avoid it. And God knows what you will choose— knew it before the foundation of the world. Argue against the Bible, if you will: Have you not heard of the Biblical term, "the elect"? Do you think the "Bride of Christ" is a haphazard compilation of indeterminate members?

Actually your (C) answer is actually choice (B), which makes sense because we established your belief that God causes sin, and you admit again I choose because I must, cannot avoid it, and God knows what I will choose, which negates (A).
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Anyone up for a chat thread?

For Brisbane prediction is 34 Celsius today (getting on for 95 Fahrenheit), witih humidity about 63%.

The next few days will be a bit cooler, but then it will start to heat up again.

No surprise - it's usually warm or hot at this time of year and doesn't start to cool down till March.

Our winters are balmy, but our summers are too hot.

I remember just flipping the TV when one of those shows where people are looking for a new home happened to be on.

One couple were in Cornwall, England (I think) but it happened they also lived in Brisbane, Australia, which prompted me to watch for a few minutes as I'm generally not interested in those sorts of shows (or cooking shows, or Big Brother garbage). Being from the Brisbane area myself I was mildly interested in their reasons.

They made the comment that Brisbane was hot and humid in summer but great in winter. They were looking for a summer retreat in a cooler climate. He was a builder so I suppose they could afford to do it.
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B flat B♭

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Say that five times fast, then don’t flame people who believe the earth is flat. Or round. Or Square. Maybe we can get to 500 pages on the next thread if you all remembered that.​

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Denaturalization

Citizenship in Judaism is by religious practice. What makes a person a Jew? You can't fell Jew's to denounce they ARE Jews. And you cannot tell Israel as a country they cannot consider foreign born Jews as Jews. You can be all kinds of nationalities in Islam. Circumcision does not make you automatically Saudi Arabian.
Why are you bringing circumcision into a discussion on Trump's wanting to end dual citizenship in America? If dual citizenship were to be barred by law here with having another citizenship would get you American citizenship revoked. My question is if Jews would be the sole exception. You seem to be arguing in favor that they would be.
Because it matters to Jews. It is their religion. What is the exception? They do not need one. And you cannot tell Israel they cannot consider them Jews either. Now they have reclaimed their homeland. Just leave them alone.
No one would be removing the Israeli citizenship, just the American one should this not be the exception. This isn't about Israel, this is about the American president wanting to forbid dual citizenship - American only. Jews would be free to choose to remain American and forfeit their Israeli citizenship or they can claim Israeli citizenship and forfeit their American one - unless there is a special condition just for them.
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Trump dispenses with trials, orders military strike on alleged Venezuelan drug-trafficking boat (Now up to 2, 3, 4...)

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Mostly of the off-topic and flaming variety, though I did see a choice calling out violation of multiple members on my way here too. This thread has sank and is very dead. Let’s move on.​

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Average consumer now carries $6,329 in credit card debt. 'People are stretched,' expert says

I've said my piece. You've said yours. Unless you have any credible evidence to add to the discussion; I'll leave discernment, on what has been presented, up to the readers.
Let the record show that HARK failed to show how two numbers can fail to be part of the ten- year average for the 30s as reported on the chart.
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Is Europe facing civilizational erasure?

I am not an atheist and shallow and broken spirituality is the root cause of Europe's problems. We are materially rich but hollow shells because of the crisis of faith that has emptied out the heart of Europe and denuded it of all power.
Which problems are these? I live in the UK and I don’t see anything different. Exactly what problems are you referring to?
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Wake Up Dead Man

I just finished watching "Wake Up Dead Man", the third movie in the Knives Out series. It's a complicated murder mystery, which I won't spoil by discussing any plot details here. But what caught my attention most about the movie is that, in the character of Father Jud (a Catholic priest), we see one of the most accurate portrayals of the Christian faith at its best that I've ever seen on screen.

Most often, movies don't even address religion. If they do, it's often generically bland; or, worse, the religious dialogue is clumsy, and the religious characters are flat caricatures. Only rarely have I seen Christian characters portrayed with a faith that resembles my own and dialogue that sounds like Christians I know in real life. This is one of those rare movies. I recommend it, for that reason.

Also, it's a good murder mystery. :)
Apart from the entertaining WHODUNIT aspect .. because the crime scene is a Church community, the movie made me think about what a church fellowship should look like, how to avoid the obvious caricatures of bad leadership, dysfunctional servitude, or even unhealthy motives to be there in the first place. It could be a therapeutic experience for any church attendant.

Most of the characters seemed to be cultural/traditional church-goers stuck in a religious system not encouraging growth. I found it encouraging the main character was the good guy honestly trying to serve God despite his past failures and current weaknesses.

The writer/director grew up in an Evangelical environment; it seems the movie has strong autobiographical elements - yet in the end the movie doesn't bash faith - it criticises what's unhealthy in the way its practised. So it leaves believing viewers with the challenge: 'how not to become that church' ..
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Asking AI to explain Sunday observance when NT has no such command

AI goes to post NT traditions and non Bible sources to try and figure that one out.

Interesting help from the Catholic Church explains why AI can not find any commands for Sunday keeping in the actual New Testament.

The Faith Explained (an RC commentary on the Baltimore catechism post Vatican ii) states on Page 242 that
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"we know that in the O.T it was the seventh day of the week - the Sabbath day - which was observed as the Lord's day. that was the law as God gave it...'remember to keep holy the Sabbath day.. the early Christian church determined as the Lord's day the first day of the week. That the church had the right to make such a law is evident...

changing the Lord's day to Sunday was in the power of the church since "in the gospels ..Jesus confers upon his church the power to make laws in his name".


page 243

"nothing is said in the bible about the change of the Lord's day From Saturday to Sunday. We know of the change only from the tradition of the Church - a fact handed down to us...that is why we find so illogical the attitude of many Non-Catholics, who say that they will believe nothing unless they can find it in the bible and Yet will continue to keep Sunday as the Lord's day on the say-so of the Catholic church"
I agree

Because a scripture says on the first day of the week Paul met and prayed / preached, does not mean he did this every first day of the week.

And besides Christians were persecuted by the Romans, they were persecuted by the Jews and they met often whenever they could, in any house they could.

Paul kept the Sabbath / as it is written, "as was his custom"
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Constantine change the day of rest / and worship from the seventh day to the first day. And their Church accepted it.

Sunday | Rest, Worship, Reflection | Britannica Sunday | Rest, Worship, Reflection | Britannica
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Salvation is in your hands, Jesus did his part

Christ part is to give, cause repentance
Paul said in (Gal. 6 (v.3) For if a man think himself to be something, when he is nothing, he deceiveth himself. (v.4) But let every man prove his own work, and then shall he have rejoicing in himself alone, and not in another.

The book says let every man prove his own work, and if your work is good then you will rejoice in it.

(v.5) For every man shall bear his own burden. That’s right; every man must bear his own burden. You mean you thought that all you had to do was confess the name of Jesus and that was it? Brothers and sisters you must work to get salvation. (v.7) Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap. God is not to be played with. Whatsoever you plant, that’s what you are going to reap. Be it good works unto eternal life, or evil works unto eternal damnation. The choice is yours, and your works belong to you.
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