• Starting today August 7th, 2024, in order to post in the Married Couples, Courting Couples, or Singles forums, you will not be allowed to post if you have your Marital status designated as private. Announcements will be made in the respective forums as well but please note that if yours is currently listed as Private, you will need to submit a ticket in the Support Area to have yours changed.

  • CF has always been a site that welcomes people from different backgrounds and beliefs to participate in discussion and even debate. That is the nature of its ministry. In view of recent events emotions are running very high. We need to remind people of some basic principles in debating on this site. We need to be civil when we express differences in opinion. No personal attacks. Avoid you, your statements. Don't characterize an entire political party with comparisons to Fascism or Communism or other extreme movements that committed atrocities. CF is not the place for broad brush or blanket statements about groups and political parties. Put the broad brushes and blankets away when you come to CF, better yet, put them in the incinerator. Debate had no place for them. We need to remember that people that commit acts of violence represent themselves or a small extreme faction.

ERLC giving ultrasound equipment to pro-life pregnancy care centers in pro-choice states

The Southern Baptist Convention Ethics & Religious Liberty Commission has launched a campaign to give ultrasound equipment to pregnancy care centers in pro-choice states.

Known as “Across State Lines,” the endeavor was officially launched last week, being an extension of the ERLC’s Psalm 139 Project, with a greater emphasis on providing the equipment in states where abortion is legal in most or virtually all circumstances.

ERLC interim President Gary Hollingsworth told The Christian Post that since the overturning of Roe v. Wade in 2022, “we saw how the Lord was working and stirring a cooperative spirit within Southern Baptist life to support pregnancy centers in abortion-permissible states.”

Continued below.

Israel-Hamas Thread II

The ambitious Gaza agreement, which was celebrated as a foreign policy triumph for President Donald Trump, is in danger of failing due to a lack of planning and realpolitik feasibility. Documents originating from an internal security forum speak of a ‘strategic gap’ between the announced ceasefire and a sustainable peace agreement.

According to internal sources, key prerequisites are missing: no "Palestinian" partner capable of acting, no occupied ‘peace council’ structure, no binding coordination between the nations involved. A high-ranking participant in the meeting of CENTCOM and the new civil-military coordination centre in Kiryat Gat summed it up dramatically: ‘Everyone is talking about peace from 40,000 feet up, but no one knows who is supposed to stand in the dust below and implement.'

Internal presentations show that Israel currently still controls around 53 per cent of Gaza's territory, while 95 per cent of the population lives in areas that are de facto outside Israeli control. According to the figures, this is precisely where the terrorist organisation Hamas has already redeployed over 7,000 security forces and is exploiting the power vacuum following the ceasefire to restore its structures.

Meanwhile, the establishment of a civil administration is not progressing. Neither the PA nor independent local actors have the legitimacy or resources to take on this responsibility.

Currently, there is no clear leadership structure, no defined distribution of roles and, above all, no countries that would actually be willing to send troops for the planned international security mission.

According to internal notes, Indonesia, Azerbaijan, Pakistan and Turkey have signalled their ‘fundamental willingness’ to participate, but are demanding an official UN mandate and are meeting with scepticism from Israel, particularly in the case of Turkey. Most countries are willing to send money, but not soldiers.

There is uncertainty in Gaza, mistrust in Israel and frustration in Washington. Military stability may have been achieved, but political peace is still a long way off. Without capable partners, clear responsibilities and sustainable strategies, the ceasefire threatens to become a dangerous limbo: too calm for war, too unstable for peace.

The agreement with Gaza was intended to demonstrate that American diplomacy can function without endless peace processes, but rather through clear power relations. However, it is now apparent that power can silence weapons, but it cannot build civil society.

If the US and Israel cannot find a credible administrative framework, other forces, Iran, Qatar, Hamas, will fill the void. The success or failure of this agreement will thus become a touchstone for the entire regional security order.
Upvote 0

SO HOW DO YOU KNOW YOU ARE SAVED ??

What is it you are really trying to say Dan?

Jesus is The Savior of the world. I believe He gets the job done.

Done.

That also means the destruction of the devil and his messengers, who also happen to "occupy" space in our own heads via temptations and evil thoughts that defile us all.

One saved
One not so much
And you said that there are DOZENS of ways to be saved , so show where they ARE since YOU brought out up. !!

dan p
Upvote 0

Hundreds of Korean workers detained in Georgia to file lawsuit against ICE

ICE basically took them in, for no reason. They had permission to be here . If I was arrested and detained for no reason. I would talk to a lawyer.
"Some that illegally crossed the border into the United States, some that came in through visa waiver and were prohibited from working, some that had visas and overstayed their visas." link

Out of the 330 people detained, 316 South Koreans have been deported, the rest were Chinese, Japanese and Indonesian. link

Sounds like illegals and people who broke the law to me. If you break your visa agreement, the US has the right to deport you.
Upvote 0

Morality without Absolute Morality

Do you not understand the meaning of the word "ultimately"?

Thank you. I assume that you're switching to solipsism now. Anything else would be disingenuous.

What better option do you have?

I'll give it a shot, morality is simply this... do justly, love mercy, and walk humbly with thy God. God in this case simply being the entirety of life... all that is, and all that you believe.

Humility wrapped in justice and mercy, if there's a higher standard for morality than this, I can't imagine what it could be. The problem as I see it, doesn't rest in finding the standard, it rests in achieving it.

Sure, but you hold that morality is sheer subjective opinion and expect that to be taken seriously.

As a solipsist I expect very little from others. You're free to follow your morals, and I'm free to follow mine. That's it... period... end of story.

However, society and its social norms are precisely what you get when you put those two simple rules into practice. You get a balance between my right to act in accordance with my morals, and your right to act in accordance with your morals.

Now this balance can fluctuate from time to time and place to place as balances are wont to do, but they'll always be adequate to the time and place in which they occur. And they'll always give their adherents the sense that they couldn't possibly be otherwise.

Morality is simply nature doing what nature always does... find a balance between two or more opposing forces such that nature, and only nature, is the true arbiter of what's moral.
  • Like
Reactions: Bradskii
Upvote 0

Are the Jews Israel, or is the church Israel? Or does it depend on the context of the passage?

The Established Church as the People of God of the New Covenant, isn’t a correct statement as it is only individuals who qualify according to their faith and righteousness.
In the New Testament no emphasis is given to any select group, but only to the whole company of what the NT calls ‘the elect,’ ‘the saints,’ ‘the disciples,’ ‘the brothers and sisters.’ If we recognise that all born again, baptised believers make up the Body of Christ and the People of God, we won’t make the mistake of identifying the true church with the Established Church. The real church is always the whole People of God, the whole ekklesia, the whole Body of Christ, the whole communion (fellowship, koinonia) of the disciples of Jesus. It includes lay persons, clergy and non-church people. All faithful Christian believers make up and belong together to the chosen race, the royal priesthood, the holy nation.

This implies a second conclusion: that as Christians, all members of the Church are fundamentally equal. All equally have been called by God to belong, all equally have been justified by Christ, all equally have been sanctified by the Holy Spirit. All equally have been called to respond to the message, the person and the work of Christ, by their faith, their commitment, their cooperation, their trust and their love. In principle also, all are equally responsible for the Church’s work in the world, its mission to spread to Gospel.

The gifts of the Spirit result in different services, tasks, functions and offices, but they are secondary to the fundamental membership in the Church which is based on true belief, and to the life of discipleship which stems from keeping the Commandments and doing the works according each individual’s situation. What counts more than any ministry or office, however exalted, is whether we live authentically as members of the chosen People of God.

Do we live in faith, hope and love in covenant relationship with God and with our fellow disciples of Jesus?
For, more than anything, the Church is the community of the disciples of Jesus. Everything else is secondary and subordinate to that. The shared call to baptism and discipleship has meant that from the beginning all kinds of people, sometimes persons naturally opposed, have joined the church and belonged to the congregation.

Jews and Gentiles, free citizens and slaves, rich and poor, men and women, have shared with one another in the life of the Church as fellow disciples of Jesus Christ, their Lord. An important point is that only through Jesus, has every Christian become the People of God in the New Covenant.

This has happened ‘in Christ,’ as Paul says. This truth raises two questions, vital questions in Christian-Jewish dialogue and reconciliation today:
1. Has God rejected His ethnic people and been unfaithful to his promises?
2. Have the Jews ceased to be a People of God?
These are difficult questions, which have been debated by Bible scholars and theologians for many years. To both of these questions the Apostle Paul has given a decisive ‘No!’ But as we see today sadly: most Jews continue to reject Jesus.

So; who exactly is the Israel of God now?

We know from Romans 9:27, that Israel is as numerous as the sands of the sea and 1 Peter 1:1 and James 1:1 both send greetings to the Twelve Tribes, scattered abroad.
The Jews alone do not fit either of these criteria.

The truth, that God has kept hidden from general knowledge, is that the ten Northern tribes, taken to the Caucasus region by Assyria did not remain there and they migrated across Europe, Jeremiah 31:21, they now comprise most of the Western peoples and have become the Christian nations.

That God’s Plan to have a people that bear the proper fruit; as the Jews rejected Him, Matthew 21:43, HAS been successful and that Western Christians are mostly Israelites: actual descendants of Jacob, is nothing short of miraculous and shows God’s amazing Plan of sending Jesus to be our Redeemer and Saviour, to be God’s fulfilment of Deuteronomy 18:18-19, Acts 7:37
Note: that Jesus came to be our Redeemer. To redeem someone means to reinstate them, to buy them back again from a fallen state.

Our destiny as born again Christians, is to be the people God has never had, His witnesses, Isaiah 43:10, Acts 1:8 and displaying His Light to the nations. Isaiah 49:8, Matthew 5:14 It will be our privilege and our honour, as He showers His Spirit and His Blessings upon His righteous people, as they live in peace and prosperity in all of the holy Land. Amos 9:13-15, Isaiah 35:1-10, Ezekiel 39:25-29, Revelation 7:9

The acceptance of the Gospel by some Jews like Paul means that their apostasy is not total. But the bulk of the ethnic Christian Israel of God are His people who have forgotten their ancestry. In the end times, their eyes will be opened and their ears unstopped; Isaiah 32:3-4 All the true righteous and faithful Christian people from every tribe, race, nation and language, Revelation 5:9-10, will be citizens of the new nation of Beulah, Isaiah 62:1-5, in all of the holy Land, but in order to fulfil God’s promises to the Patriarchs, the majority will be the actual descendants of Jacob. Amos 9:9, Jeremiah 50:4-7

As Paul asserts: in the end "all Israel will be saved.” That is: every ethnic Israelite faithful to God, will enter the holy Land, accompanied by every true Christian Gentile, all members of the Israel of God, Isaiah 56:1-8, Ephesians 2:1-18, but ALL who reject Him will not. Ezekiel 20:34-38, Hebrews 10:26-27
Upvote 0

Verses that screen superficial believers out of the Kingdom of God

Hey Bob, may I remind you of the things that you want to hold onto;

Flesh
19Now the works of the flesh are evident, which are: [d]adultery, [e]fornication, uncleanness, lewdness, 20idolatry, sorcery, hatred, contentions, jealousies, outbursts of wrath, selfish ambitions, dissensions, heresies, 21envy, [f]murders, drunkenness, revelries, and the like;


And the things that God wants to give you.

Spirit
But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23 [g]gentleness, self-control.
Upvote 0

Using AI vs. Talking To Humans

When it comes to morality, I've found I always get the standard early 21st century zeitgeist kind of answer, which leans left (unless I use wording which makes it think I might want to hear something else. Then it might modify slightly).

I asked it if it's acceptable to call someone a Brit, a Swede, a P_ki, a Pole or a Finn. They were all perfectly fine to use, except Pa_i of course. Then when I try to delve into a reason for the double-standard, I get the same nonsense I get from liberals in real life.

Yes if you make it clear you're not going to be offended in some topics or answers, you might see different answers if applicable. You can take it even further by asking questions of controversial nature roleplaying the "devil's advocate".

You'll get more info from AI this way. Taking side with both opposing teams, one at a time. Taking the side of a friend and then taking the side of the enemy.
  • Like
Reactions: Chesterton
Upvote 0

Identifying Historical/Religious Tiles (Image Attached)

Dear fellow Christians,

I've come across these very distinctive tiles and am hoping some of you might have insights into their origin, age, or any potential historical or religious symbolism they might carry. The patterns are quite intricate, and I'm particularly interested if they relate to any specific Christian historical period, culture, or architectural style.

I've attached an image for reference. Any knowledge or theories you could share would be greatly appreciated!

Blessings.
Generated Image November 12, 2025 - 9_15PM.png

Can Truth Be Known? How

Matthew 16: 17 .... For flesh and blood has not revealed this to you, hbut my Father who is in heaven.

Truth comes only from the Father and this is what the church was to be built upon, truth from the Father, not the doctrines, traditions nor will of man using God for their own purposes. Anyone putting their will ahead of the will of God, especially in religion, is working for the Adversary.
# 1 IS TO DO WHAT 1 Cor 11:1 what. all are to do , You become IMITATORS. of ME // in. the Greek is EMPHATIC.

meaning ME. and only ME. just as I. AM. of CHRIST. !!

# 2 Is to RIGHTLY DIVIDE. to present yourself approved. to God a WORKMAN RIGHLY DIVIDING the WORD of TRUTH !!

dan p
Upvote 0

Trump suggests he’ll release Jeffrey Epstein ‘client list’ if elected: ‘I’d have no problem with it’

per Justin Baragona

CBS News' Weijia Jiang: "Did the president ever spend hours at Jeffrey Epstein’s house with a victim?"

Karoline Leavitt: "These emails prove [absolutely] nothing other than the fact that President Trump did nothing wrong."
They should ask her these questions at night on the street. She could save the city on streetlighting given how bright her gaslighting is.
Upvote 0

Trump Takes Action Against Nigeria for Ongoing Persecution of Christians

Upvote 0

DOGE NEWS


apparently the claims are satire.
As your source indicates, clever Donald's post is real.
Upvote 0

Who then can be saved?

I thought I already cleared this up for you. I told you that God is not the Author of evil, but He does allow evil doers to do their wicked work for a time. Then He torments them is the lake of fire for all eternity, so God sill wins.
They do their thing for a short time but God does His thing forever, that's a bargain. I love it, just as I love everything else that God does.
So these evil people who died in the flood were doing what God wanted them to do or were they doing what God didn’t want them to do?
Upvote 0

Deal To End Shutdown Lets GOP Senators Sue Biden’s DOJ For J6


We will see how the country reacts as more information is forthcoming.
Public opinion is largely meaningless when it comes to impeachment. Or do you think that President Trump should be impeached too? After all 52% of Americans support the idea (at least back in April - it may be higher now): https://freespeechforpeople.org/wp-...americans-support-impeachment-rc-aso-memo.pdf
Upvote 0

Fr. Josiah On Pornography, and Nick Fuentes

First, I still have a lot of respect for Shapiro,...
I do too. And when he was doing the college speaking years ago, I think he was excellent for conservatism. The perfect guy for that time.
...but I think he mislead me a bit, and this in two ways.
I wouldn't be surprised. There are things to dislike about him. He can be...um...what's the word...can't say "shifty", can't say "crafty"... okay - disingenuous. The Dice video below is cued. Shapiro asks for money to help "children", never telling the listeners that 100% of donations go to help Jewish kids and families exclusively. I've double-checked what Dice says, and it's true. And Shapiro may or may not be directly involved with one or both charities. It's murky.

Imagine if I had a show and used it to get money that I gave to white kids only, or to Christian kids only, but you know, didn't think to mention that.

Login to view embedded media
First, much of what is being said about Tucker strikes me as true, but after watching the whole interview I can see that Tucker was disagreeing with Fuentes, albeit very gently. This means that charges of "ideological laundering" pure and simple are not quite accurate.
It's possible Tucker didn't want to disagree with him sharply for the reason I gave a couple of posts above. Nick is good, and perhaps Tucker didn't want to be getting shown up on his large platform? But that's just speculation.
Second, Fuentes is not as bad as I thought he was after I watched Shapiro's initial video. Resentment and anger seem to drive much of what he does, but he is at the same time intelligent, thoughtful, argument-based, and capable of self-reflection. For example, this is a surprising video.
That sort of forceful, emotional speech he makes near the beginning - I'd never heard that before. And it sounds like he's acting. In real life he's almost always smiling and happy and lighthearted even when discussing what he's been put through.
At the same time, I think Fuentes' rhetoric is problematic, I think there is an affective problem (particularly with anger and resentment, albeit for legitimate injustices), and I think there are logical problems, including theologically,
Theologically. I've heard him say a few quirky things about his catholicism which I think are flat out wrong. But that's between you and him. ;)
I don't have time for the whole video. I found a little about Nick in the part where they're talking about Tucker. Is there anything else?
Upvote 0

Obama referred to DOJ for criminal charges

Say what they want. But their opinions have no more weight than those of an illegal immigrant.
I'm almost encouraged that you didn't denigrate the unauthorized immigrant to a lower level.
We are American citizens.
Cool, so am I. It's not that hard to accomplish. All you need is to be born in the US or have a US born parent bring you back home after birth abroad. I manged one of those on my first breath.
My family has been here since 1620.
And so has mine... no wait it hasn't. We're much more recent arrivals. Does that matter? VP Vance thinks it does.
I have people in the Revolution, the Civil War, WW1, WW2, Korea, VN, and the Gulf War. We have blood in this matter.
Yes, but did they fight for the right side (the US side) during the Slaveholder's rebellion? (I'll give you one guess in my case.)
My family has 250 years of blood, sweat, and tears. We cut down the trees, plowed the land, and picked up weapons when called up. We have been paying taxes since the nation was started.
Anyone that owns property here or comes on a temporary visa pays taxes. Do their views count now?
Foreigners can say anything they want. But their words really do not weigh beyond a logical position. Fine. They do not have any say in where that money goes. They have no say in who our leaders are. They have no say in our laws, our constitution, or the fate of our children. I assume they have problems in their own countries that need attending to.
One of the values of the outsiders perpective is that they *don't* have a say. They don't have to worry about if their taxes will go up or a policy will cost their jobs. They can evaluate without being influenced by how a choice will impact them directly.
They have a say there. Not here.
I do not ignore their opinions... I just wonder why they care what happens in my country?
If you don't understand the role the US plays in global everything, I can't help you. You should have learned that already.
  • Like
Reactions: Bradskii
Upvote 0

DOGE wants to Make Aliens Great Again: Increase Visas to bring in Skilled Foreign Workers to Take Lucrative Jobs from Mediocre Americans

I'm glad President Trump is finally expressing what conservatives, liberals, Republicans, and Democrats have been saying for the past 50 years.

Thank you, Mr. President. Please simplify the H-1B visa process, pursue comprehensive immigration reform, and make America great again.
Has the $100k fee been rescinded?
Upvote 0

US has struck three Iranian nuclear sites, Trump says

UN watchdog unable to verify Iran's stockpile of near-weapons grade uranium in months

The confidential report also said that Iran has still not granted the International Atomic Energy Agency access to sites affected by the war.
Why should they? The president of the United States testified that they've been destroyed.
Upvote 0

Filter

Forum statistics

Threads
5,878,081
Messages
65,411,967
Members
276,361
Latest member
A_Christian88