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Tit for Tat Tariffs - The US versus the World

The offical tally is 200 billion in tariff revenue collected.

Thanks To President Trump, CBP announces record-breaking $200 billion in tariff revenue

WASHINGTON—Between Jan. 20 and Dec. 15, 2025, U.S. Customs and Border Protection collected more than $200 billion in tariffs thanks to more than 40 executive orders put in place by President Donald Trump’s Administration. This figure underscores CBP’s effectiveness in promoting secure, fair, and compliant trade, strengthening America’s national and economic security.

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So.... not several trillions?
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Third Week of Advent (Ember Days)

December 18, 2025

Our Morning Offering – 18 December – Awaiting Baby Jesus


One Minute Reflection – 18 December – “The Lord is near. Have no anxiety [at all]” Phil 4:5-6

Greater Feria of Advent (Third Sunday of Advent) propers and Antiphons (EF)

Thursday of the Third Week of Advent (Gueranger) (EF)

Advent Weekday readings & commentary (OF)

Advent: December 18th readings & commentary (OF)
December 18, O Lord and Ruler (O Adonai)

Daily Gospel

ADVENTCAzT 2025: 19 – Thursday 3rd Week of Advent – True love

Saint Gatian First Bishop of Tours

St. Gatian

Saints of the Day

O Adonai (December 18)
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Release from Epstein files

pretty depressing that people tolerated someone clearly predatory
I have taken
Clinton, Trump, Bannon, Chomsky
off my Christmas list
This was the last straw for Chomsky? The denial of any atrocity so long as it was done by a group opposed to US foreign policy wasn’t enough?
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Kirk Cameron Takes Heat for His Annihilationist View on Hell

I understand what you’re saying about the mechanics of the trash pile and worms. My main point isn’t how a dump works, but what Jesus is teaching with His words. He emphasizes that the worm does not die and the fire is not quenched to illustrate the seriousness and permanence of judgment, not to give a literal lesson on waste disposal.

We can agree that He was using imagery everyone understood; the question is what that imagery communicates spiritually, not the logistics of trash or worms?
Again, He is comparing to it as a metaphor (Isaiah 66:24). Everyone understood what happens there. Worms eat trash and trash gets burned up constantly. He also uses the symbolism of the wheat and the tares...both are harvested but wheat is kept while the weeds are burned up in the fire. When something is cremated, there is nothing left but ashes. It is a devouring fire...everything is completely and utterly destroyed (Matthew 3:12). This was also the place where Judas hung himself...Akeldama.
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Donald Trump’s medical records sought in (Pulitzer) lawsuit

Time to designate the Pulitzer people as a terrorist organization and launch some drones on the un American haberdashers of hate!
The Pulitzer Prize Board's discovery requests are WMDs. A few bunker buster bombs on their HQ will sort out out those commie dealers in death.
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Anyone up for a chat thread?

Speaking of the weather, here's a photo a colleague of mine posted on FB today, of what happened to the (unlit) candles in her church, in the heat. I can attest that in some places, it's necessary to store the candles in the fridge in summer.

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Prayer for Healing, Wisdom, and Peace in a Mentorship Relationship

Father, I pray that Jane can find peace and joy through God in your life. That such fruit is not dependent on any person. That Jane will still relate and be a blessing to all that God brings her way, for whatever length of time. That she will see more of the purposes and timing of God and others in her life, be led by the Holy Spirit and find that comfort and love ever enlarging in her heart. In Jesus name.

I would consider that when we are weak that it is a time we grow more dependent on God. Except for marriage some relationships are seasonal. Perhaps too God wants your time and emotion spent elsewhere and is preparing you for that. Regardless, God knows the situation and is going to bless you through this.
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Anybody know if Rob Reiner is okay?

My god but Trump thinks up the most horrid, dishonourable things to say to grieving family and friends while simultaneously implying one of his followers killed Mr Reiner.

What a gent.

A good man out of the good treasure of his heart brings forth good; and an evil man out of the evil treasure of his heart brings forth evil. For out of the abundance of the heart, his mouth speaks. Luke 6:45
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Slaves of Whom You Obey

“Even so consider yourselves to be dead to sin, but alive to God in Christ Jesus. Therefore do not let sin reign in your mortal body so that you obey its lusts, and do not go on presenting the members of your body to sin as instruments of unrighteousness; but present yourselves to God as those alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness to God. For sin shall not be master over you, for you are not under law but under grace.
“What then? Shall we sin because we are not under law but under grace? May it never be! Do you not know that when you present yourselves to someone as slaves for obedience, you are slaves of the one whom you obey, either of sin resulting in death, or of obedience resulting in righteousness? But thanks be to God that though you were slaves of sin, you became obedient from the heart to that form of teaching to which you were committed, and having been freed from sin, you became slaves of righteousness.” (Romans 6:11-18 NASB1995)

Again, not being under the Old Covenant liturgical, ceremonial, sacrificial, purification, circumcision, dietary and Sabbath laws, does not give us permission to be lawless. Our salvation from sin is not just forgiveness of sins, and it definitely is not permission from God for us to continue in sin. For Jesus gave his life up for us on that cross, in putting our sins to death with him, so that by faith in him we will deny self, die daily to sin, and follow him in walks of obedience to God’s commands, in surrender to his will.

So, as those of us who profess faith in Jesus Christ, we are to consider ourselves to be dead to sin, but alive to God in Christ Jesus. And this is not about imagining this to be our status, regardless of how we live. This is speaking in terms of reality in how we actually live day by day. We are no longer to live as slaves to sin but now as servants of God and of his righteousness in walks of obedience to his commands. We are to serve our Lord faithfully in doing all he commands and in putting sin to death daily.

And this is critical that we understand this, because we have so many people today who are not teaching this, but who are giving people permission to keep on in their sins, teaching them that a mere verbal confession of faith in Jesus Christ is sufficient for them to have forgiveness of all sins and to have eternal life with God in heaven secured them. For they remove particular Scriptures from their biblical context, and they twist them to teach that God does not require repentance and obedience to his commands for salvation.

But what does this teach? It teaches us that we are slaves of the one we obey, either of sin resulting in death, or of obedience resulting in righteousness, resulting in sanctification, the outcome of which is eternal life with God. So, if sin is what we obey, in practice, and not obedience to our Lord’s commands, it doesn’t matter what our lips profess. For the outcome of these things is death. For the wages of sin is death. But if we put sin to death, by the Spirit, and we obey God, then we have eternal life with God.

For we learn in 1 John 1-3 that if we claim that we have fellowship with God, but yet we walk in darkness (sin), we are liars. If we claim that we know God, but we do not obey his commandments, in practice, we are liars. For it is not the one who claims he is “in Christ” who is “in Christ,” but it is the one who has denied self, died with Christ to sin, and who is now walking in obedience to our Lord and to his commands, in practice, and no longer in sin. We have the hope and the promise of eternal life with God in heaven.

[Matthew 7:13-14,21-23; Luke 9:23-26; John 10:27-30; Acts 26:18; Romans 1:18-32; Romans 2:5-10; Romans 3:23; Romans 6:1-23; Romans 8:1-14; 1 Corinthians 10:1-22; Galatians 5:16-24; Ephesians 2:8-10; Ephesians 4:17-32; Ephesians 5:3-6; Titus 2:11-14; Hebrews 3:1-19; Hebrews 4:1-13; Hebrews 10:19-39; Hebrews 12:1-2; 1 Peter 2:24; 1 John 1:1-10; 1 John 2:3-6; 1 John 3:4-10; Revelation 2:1-29; Revelation 3:1-22]

Refiner’s Fire

By Brian Doerksen

Purify my heart,
let me be as gold and precious silver.
Purify my heart,
let me be as gold, pure gold.

Purify my heart,
cleanse me from within
and make me holy.
Purify my heart,
cleanse me from my sin, deep within.

Refiner's fire,
my heart's one desire
is to be holy;
set apart for You, Lord.
I choose to be holy;
set apart for You, my Master,
ready to do Your will.

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Slaves of Whom You Obey
An Original Work / December 18, 2025
Christ’s Free Servant, Sue J Love

Panic does no good but it's impossible to stop

It's not exactly my fear of death (ok, I do fear that)but the fear of things in my life that would inevitably cause death if I can't fix them (money stuff).
Ok, thanks for clarifying. I pray that God gives you the peace and grace to tackle your challenges in this.
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Empty Voices Singing Empty Praise

Where did Jesus say never to celebrate His birthday?
Sorry, I meant that he never seemed to really promote it. Of course there is nothing wrong when he is the focus, which is true for some families. But it is hard not to get caught up in the commercialization of Christmas.
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Doubts multiplied

I wouldn't want to have to draw Jesus in the poses that Charlie Hebdo chose for Muhammad, just to demonstrate that I'm different from Timothy McVeigh. Nobody should die over offensive speech, but nobody should be compelled to repeat the offensive speech, either.
The 4 evangelists have obviously disapproved all what they did to Jesus up to death, however silently.
Yet, i assume they considered a duty to write the Gospel.

Besides, i certainly have disapproved an offending caricature of Jesus.
Yet, if a teacher teaching his pupils to keep cool had to be beheaded for showing them this document, i would also certainly have considered it a christian duty (to testify of this posthumous suffering of Jesus) to publish the document myself, in order to tell the whole story (even with illustrated caricatures).
it looks like i'm not worshipping the same person as muslims do
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BUSTED - 12 False theories refuted:

That is your mistake.
Matthew 24:42-44, is not referring to the Return of Jesus,
“Therefore keep watch, because you do not know on what day your Lord will come. 43 But understand this: If the owner of the house had known at what time of night the thief was coming, he would have kept watch and would not have let his house be broken into. 44 So you also must be ready, because the Son of Man will come at an hour when you do not expect him.
Jesus said that the Lord, the Son of Man, would come at a time when he was not expected. He doesn't mention the Lord's vengeance and wrath in these verses.
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Zions New Children

Stupidity.
Not at all.
If Jesus isn't returning for several years, we've got loads of time. I'm not going to do any of the stuff that I mentioned - I love Jesus and want to serve him. But if you told a non Christian that they needed to repent to be ready for Jesus' return, they asked when he was coming back and you said, "oh in about 20 years or so", they would ask, "well what's the rush, then?"
WE Christians have not yet made the new Covenant with the Lord. Hebrews 8:10-12 proves it.
Jesus' blood seals the new Covenant.
God's word being in our hearts doesn't refer to learning Scripture - learning Scripture means it is in your mind but doesn't mean that you have accepted it and are living it. All Jewish boys had to learn their Scriptures by heart. It didn't prevent them from sinning and disobeying them.
God's Word is Jesus. Jesus told his disciples to remain IN him and he would remain IN us.
Because of the cross, we are reconciled to, and at peace with, God.
Because of Pentecost, God's Spirit can live IN believers. It is the Holy Spirit who confirms to us that we are God's children, Romans 8:16-17.
Before he died, Jesus said to his disciples, "this is my blood of the new covenant which is poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins", Matthew 26:28.
Do you think that nothing special or dramatic will happen before Jesus Returns?
Dramatic things are happening all the time - and have been since the ascension.
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The Knowledge of Salvation

“And his father Zacharias was filled with the Holy Spirit, and prophesied, saying: ‘Blessed be the Lord God of Israel,
For He has visited us and accomplished redemption for His people,
And has raised up a horn of salvation for us
In the house of David His servant—
As He spoke by the mouth of His holy prophets from of old—
Salvation from our enemies,
And from the hand of all who hate us;
To show mercy toward our fathers,
And to remember His holy covenant,
The oath which He swore to Abraham our father,
To grant us that we, being rescued from the hand of our enemies,
Might serve Him without fear,
In holiness and righteousness before Him all our days.
And you, child, will be called the prophet of the Most High;
For you will go on before the Lord to prepare His ways;
To give to His people the knowledge of salvation
By the forgiveness of their sins,
Because of the tender mercy of our God,
With which the Sunrise from on high will visit us,
To shine upon those who sit in darkness and the shadow of death,
To guide our feet into the way of peace.’” (Luke 1:67-79 NASB1995)

Zacharias was the father of John the Baptist, and he spoke these prophetic words right after his wife Elizabeth had given birth to their son, John, whom God called to be “a voice of one crying in the wilderness, ‘make straight the way of the Lord,’ as Isaiah the prophet said” (John 1:23 NASB1995). John was to preach and to baptize for repentance, to prepare the way of the Lord Jesus Christ, to get the people of Israel ready to receive Jesus Christ as their Lord and Messiah, the promised seed of Abraham (see Galatians 3:16).

For the redemption of the Israelites spoken about here, which is available for all people ever since Jesus Christ’s death and resurrection, is about Jesus’ sacrifice of his body and his blood on that cross to buy us back for God out of our lives of living in slavery to sin and for self, so that, by God-persuaded faith in Christ, we will now serve the Lord with our lives in walks of surrender to God in obedience to his commands in holy living. For by faith we are rescued from what enslaved us so we can live holy lives, pleasing to God.

And John the Baptist fulfilled God’s calling upon his life to prepare the hearts of the people to receive Jesus Christ as the promised seed of Abraham, their Messiah, although most of the Jews at that time chose not to believe in Jesus. And many of the rulers and teachers of the law, and people of influence in the temple of God (at that time), were strongly opposed to Jesus Christ, and so they continually harassed him and tried to trip him up with his words, in hopes that they would have cause to accuse him of wrongdoing.

But John the Baptist was to give the Israelites (the Jews) of that time the knowledge of salvation by the forgiveness of their sins. But this salvation is not a free pass to keep living in sin and in disobedience to God without conscience and without remorse, as many people teach it today. For by faith in Jesus we are delivered (saved) out of our addiction to sin so we can now live for God in walks of obedience to his commands. For repentance is turning away from sin so we can live for our Lord in surrender to his will.

For by God-gifted faith in Jesus Christ, which is not of our own doing, we are crucified with Christ in death to sin and raised with Christ to walk in newness of life in him, no longer to live as slaves to sin but as slaves to righteousness in walks of obedience to God’s commands. We are no longer to permit sin to reign in our mortal bodies to make us obey its desires. For if sin is what we obey, it results in death. But if obedience to God is what we obey, it results in sanctification, and its end is eternal life with God (see Romans 6:1-23).

[Matthew 7:13-14,21-23; Luke 9:23-26; John 10:27-30; Acts 26:18; Romans 1:18-32; Romans 2:5-10; Romans 3:23; Romans 6:1-23; Romans 8:1-14; 1 Corinthians 10:1-22; Galatians 5:16-24; Ephesians 2:8-10; Ephesians 4:17-32; Ephesians 5:3-6; Titus 2:11-14; Hebrews 3:1-19; Hebrews 4:1-13; Hebrews 10:19-39; Hebrews 12:1-2; 1 Peter 2:24; 1 John 1:1-10; 1 John 2:3-6; 1 John 3:4-10; Revelation 2:1-29; Revelation 3:1-22]

But that knowledge of salvation from sin was not meant to be for the Jews only, but to include the Gentiles, which God had planned all along. And by faith in Jesus Christ, Jew and Gentile became one, no longer separate, but one people of God, one holy nation, the Israel of God. And all Jews who rejected Jesus as their Messiah (the Christ) were cut out of Israel. But by faith in Jesus Christ they can be united with the Israel of God. So there is only one biblical nation of Israel, and it is all who believe in Jesus Christ.

[Genesis 17:7-9; Genesis 18:19; John 8:18-19,38-47; Romans 2:28-29; Romans 6:1-23; Romans 8:1-14; Romans 9:4-8,25-28; Romans 11:1-36; 1 Corinthians 10:1-22; Galatians 3:16,26-29; Galatians 4:22-31; Ephesians 2:11-22; Ephesians 3:1-6; Hebrews 3:1-19; Hebrews 4:1-16; Hebrews 8:6-13;1 Peter 2:24; 1 John 2:22; Jude 1:5; Revelation 2:9; Revelation 3:9]

O Come, O Come, Emmanuel

Anonymous/Unknown
Tr. By John M. Neale, 1851


O come, O come, Emmanuel,
And ransom captive Israel
That mourns in lonely exile here
Until the Son of God appear.

O come, Thou Wisdom from on high,
Who orders all things mightily;
To us the path of knowledge show,
And teach us in its ways to go.

O come, Thou Branch of Jesse’s stem,
Unto Thine own and rescue them!
From depths of hell Thy people save,
And give them vict’ry o’er the grave.

O come, Thou Key of David, come
And open wide our heav’nly home;
Make safe for us the heav’nward road,
And bar the way to death’s abode.

O come, Thou Bright and Morning Star,
And bring us comfort from afar!
Dispel the shadows of the night
And turn our darkness into light.

O come, Desire of nations, bind
In one the hearts of all mankind;
Bid all our sad divisions cease,
And be Thyself our King of Peace.

Rejoice! Rejoice! Emmanuel
Shall come to thee, O Israel.

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The Knowledge of Salvation
An Original Work / December 18, 2025
Christ’s Free Servant, Sue J Love

DeSantis admin diverted $36.2 million in child welfare and medical funds for consultants, ads to defeat voter ballot initiatives

So is this against the law or not? If not, then he's fine to do it and I don't care. If it is against the law then he should face justice consequences for doing so.
It's taking away from the poor, that needs the money. While pretending care about the non-born, babies and people, when he doesn't care. And putting the money elsewhere to cheat. He should be forced to give back $36.2 million to the people in his state that needs it.
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Revelation and the rapture deception

Revelation and the Rapture

Revelation is and has been happening since Christ left, Revelation is repeating the same prophecy, the rapture is a deception introduced by those associated with the office of the beast, the notion that there are other worlds and beings on them is part of the blaspheme spoken of in Revelation 13:6.
Now in much detail:

-Revelation



In Revelation John sees a vision very similar to what Ezekiel saw.

Revelation 4:3 - Ezekiel 1:28
Revelation 4:7 - Ezekiel 1:10

Ezekiel sees a view from the ground, John sees a view from the air.

John is having a vision: Revelation 4:2 "I was in the spirit".

Johns vision is similar to the vision Ezekiel had,
but he also sees 24 elders circling the throne.


And what is happening in Revelation is similar to the book of Daniel:

Daniel vision 1 ending :
"And in the days of these kings shall the God of heaven set up a kingdom, which shall never be destroyed"
Daniel 2:44

Daniel Vision 2 ending :
"Until the Ancient of days came,
and judgment was given to the saints of the Most High; and the time came that the saints obtained the kingdom"
Daniel 7:22


Different visions but describing the same ending, visions about the same ultimate thing; the establishment of Gods kingdom.

And Daniel 9 to the end gives details about that same end.

Revelation is following the same pattern, but with a few more visions.

Revelation also clearly repeats the same ending throughout the book:



The End Number 1: (seals)​


"the great day of His wrath is come" Revelation 6:17

Revelation 6:12-13 - Matthew 24:29
Revelation 6:15-16 - Matthew 24:30

"the Lamb that is in the midst of the throne shall feed them,
and shall lead them unto living fountains of waters"
Revelation 7:17 (Revelation 22:1,17)



The End Number 2: (trumpets)​


"And the seventh angel sounded;
and there were great voices in heaven,
saying, the kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord,
and of his Christ; and He shall reign for ever and ever"
Revelation 11:15 (Revelation 19:16-21, 20:1-5)

"And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, (Revelation 20:13)
and that Thou should give reward unto Thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear Thy name, small and great;
and should destroy them which destroy the earth" Revelation 11:18


The End Number 3: (Revelation 12 13 14)​


"And the serpent cast out of his mouth water as a flood after the woman,
that he might cause her to be carried away of the flood" Revelation 12:15

"And after 62 weeks shall Messiah suffer the death penalty, but not for Himself,
and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary;
and the end thereof shall be with a flood,
and unto the end of the war desolations are determined" Daniel 9:26

"And another angel came out of the temple, crying with a loud voice to him that sat on the cloud, Thrust in thy sickle, and reap: for the time is come for thee to reap; for the harvest of the earth is ripe."
Revelation 14:15 Matthew 13:30 The harvest, the end. (Revelation 19:11-14)

"And another angel came out from the altar,
which had power over FIRE,
and cried with a loud cry to him that had the sharp sickle, saying, Thrust in thy sharp sickle, and gather the clusters of the vine of the earth;
for her grapes are fully ripe."

"And the winepress was trodden without the city, and blood came out of the winepress"
Revelation 14:18-20
(fire being a key term, this is figuratively talking about Revelation 20:12-13)



The End Number 4: (vials)​


"...which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world
to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty" (Revelation 19:19)

"Behold I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watches, and keeps his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame"

"And he gathered them together to a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon."

"And the seventh angel poured his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, it is done"

Revelation 16:13-17 (Revelation 19:1-19)



Each ending of each vision,
is a description of the same end we get details of in Revelation 19 through 22.

Therefore it should be clear that Revelation is repeating itself.

Each vision is a retelling of the same prophecy,
each vision gives different details of the same repeated prophecy.
And the end of Revelation gives specific details of the end of the prophecy.

Another way we can see that the prophecy is being repeated is in the following verses:


"And they had a king over them, which is the angel of the bottomless pit"
Revelation 9:11

"when they shall have finished their testimony,
the beast that ascends out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them
and shall overcome them and kill them"
Revelation 11:7

"the beast that you saw was and is not,
and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit"
Revelation 17:8



-Rapture​



Some claim that Revelation 4:1 is the 'rapture'.

"After this I looked, and behold a door was opened in the sky;
and the first voice which I heard was as it were of a trumpet talking with me;
which said come up hither, and I will show you things which must be hereafter"

But John is having a vision, he is seeing a vision in the sky, very similar to what Ezekiel saw in Ezekiel chapter 1.
He is "in the spirit" Revelation 4:2, he is not physically taken to the city of heaven.

And the trumpet from 4:1 can not also be the trumpet from 11:15.
And because of such, yet trying to hold onto the view that 4:1 is the rapture,
people then will say there are two raptures.
But as shown above Revelation 11:15 is referring to the end,
the time when the kingdoms of the world become the kingdoms of the Lord,
which is the beginning of the 1000 years as described in more detail in Revelation 19:19 through 20:4.

-A Clear timeline​


And most notably, it is clear that the seals of Revelation began to be opened,
when Christ ascended and sat down at the right hand of the Father.
Revelation 5:5 specifically tells us that Christ prevailed to open the seals.

Christ died and physically rose from the dead.

Matthew 27:37-50,
Matthew 28:1-7,
Luke 24:37-39

Afterward He physically ascended up beyond the sky.

Acts 1:9-11

And is set down at the right hand of the Father.

Hebrews 12:2

At the right hand of the Father is a scroll.

Revelation 5:1

The book of Revelation says Jesus prevailed to open the scroll.

Revelation 5:5

The time of Jesus literally ascending was around 33ad ~ 50ad.

(as per historical record)

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Revelation states that some of it had happened already.

"and there are seven kings, five are fallen, and one is, the other is not yet come; and when he comes, he must continue a short space"
Revelation 17:10

[ these kings were in the office of beast #1,
eventually someone in that office will seem to be wounded to death and healed, (Revelation 13:3) and after that point he is eighth. (Revelation 17:11) today the fact that this person is a king is kept secret ]

Jerusalem was destroyed in 70ad

(as per historical record)

The inquisition and the crusades happened around 1090 ~ 1600,
some of this time period is called the dark ages.

(as per historical record)

Napoleon went out conquering around 1700's ~ early 1800's

(as per historical record)
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[Red]
The world began to be even more at war with each other starting in the 1900's

(1918 ww1 1939-1945 ww2, Hitlers time was clearly red)
(1948-1967 war concerning Israel)
(1967 to present day ongoing military occupation and conflict in and around Israel)
(in the past it was called the 50 years war, it will reach 70 years in 2037)
[/Red]
[Black]
And that leads us to present day.

The worlds economy is collapsing now.

A cashless society in which no one will be able to buy or sell
without their identity involved, is on the horizon.
[/Black]
[Pale]
Electronic tattoos are on the horizon.

A.i. is learning more and more everyday.

We of this time can more clearly envision what the image and mark of the beast may be.

Certainly it will have something to do with modern technology and modern 'science'.

Revelation says that the beast will open his mouth in blaspheme about what is outside of the sky: Revelation 13:6.

Daniel also alludes to that there will be falsehood related to the stars: Daniel 8:10,12, 25.

Paul told us that the anti-Christ arrives with much deception: 2 Thessalonians 2:9-12

"Whose coming is after the working of Satan,
with all power and signs and lying wonders, and with all unrighteous deception among them that perish, because they received not the love (Matt 7:12) of the truth, that they might be saved. (they choose to deceive rather than love)
And for this reason God shall send them strong delusion such that they believe The lie (Genesis 3:4) That they all might be damned who believed not the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness."
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The rapture deception​


One of the deceptions is the notion of a 'rapture', a time when people disappear leaving the rest behind.

"by your sorcery were all nations deceived" Revelation 18:23

By your pharmakia were all nations deceived.

"Whereas you saw iron mixed with clay,
they shall mingle themselves with the seed of man, but they shall not adhere one to another even as iron does not mix with clay."
Daniel 2:43


Nano robots, smaller than cells in the body, tiny pieces of metal that can be remote controlled.
(see the Ted Talk held in Israel in 2013)

What was initially designed for good health purposes is being used by evil men for deceptive satanic purposes.

Injected with such technology a person can become overrun with the bots,
and their immune system tries hard to get them out. But at just the right amount,
the person can live fine and the bots can do various tasks, the bots can also get hot.
Using this technology it is possible to burn a person from the inside out.
The result is a plasma burst from inside out,
as the individual cells of the body heat up and burn really fast.

Using such technology the evil doers plan on making a so called 'rapture' happen.

And after many years of deceptive indoctrination, many people will be fooled by it.

Believing the 'rapture' has happened,
they will then be led to believe that the new tyrant that comes to power is the anti-Christ.
(perhaps he will be in power shortly before the so called rapture)

Believing that ww3 is against the anti-Christ, when the beast, a prominent religious king,
gets wounded and healed, they will be led to think that something from God has happened to him, that he is a martyr healed from death by God.

And believing all those deceptions, they will be willing to listen to the beast.

The beast will be speaking blaspheme about what is in heaven, Revelation 13:6

And will usher in the false prophet, one claiming to be Jesus.

Due to the grand deceptions, many will fall for their lies.

But those heeding the scriptures carefully, can not be deceived.

"Wherefore if they shall say unto you,
behold he is in the desert; go not forth;
or behold he is in the secret chambers; believe it not" Matthew 24:26

No one knows the day or the hour of the Lords return, and the Lord does not return in secret of any kind.

The Messiah said He would come, with His angels, after the tribulation.

Matthew 24:29-31

Mark 13:24-27

Any correct view of the rest of the prophecy,
must use the words of Christ as the foundation.
Paul indeed builds upon that foundation and a strong foundation in scripture.

The Lord did not specifically mention the dead rising in the above passages.

Paul gives us the specific information that the dead rise first, then the alive.
(1 Thess 4:16-17)

How can Paul conclude such? From scripture.

"Come from the four winds, Oh breath of life,
and breath upon these slain, that they may live"
Ezekiel 37:9-12

Paul was a Pharisee, they believed that such passages were a promise of actual resurrection,
while the Sadducees did not believe such passages were about resurrection: Acts 23:5-8, 26:5-8.
Ezekiel 37:9-12 is the promise of resurrection Paul is referring to in Acts 26:7-8.

(there is no other promise concerning resurrection of the nation given directly from God. In Ezekiel God says "Oh my people, I will open up your graves and bring you up out of your graves" in modern times there is much misunderstanding related to that passage, but my hope is that you will take it for what it says, let Gods word be true and every man a liar)

Therefore when the Lord said He would gather "from the four winds" (Matthew 24:31 Mark 13:27) one well versed in scripture as Paul was, and being of the Pharisees,
would understand that as a reference to the prophecy in Ezekiel, and therefore resurrection.


The Lord comes with His angels, and the dead and alive rise:
Matthew 24:30-31 Mark 13:27

(Ezekiel 37:9-10 "from the four winds" being a reference to resurrection,
"from one end of the sky to the other" being a reference to alive people.
but we could also say that Matthew 24:31 is the dead, and Matthew 24:41 the alive
and Paul makes it clear that it all happens in the twinkling of an eye, boom, we are just up there,
I think that it happens upon death, a saint will wake up from death on a horse high up in the air)

The Lord comes with His angels, and the dead and alive rise:
1 Thessalonians 4:16-17,
2nd Thessalonians 1:7-10
"....with the voice of the arch angel..."
"... rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from the sky, with His holy angels"


Matthew 24:28-40

"For wheresoever the carcase is there will the birds be gathered together"

"immediately after the tribulation of those days
shall the sun be darkened and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from the sky"(Rev 6:12-13)

"And He shall send forth His angels with the great sound of a trumpet and they shall gather together his chosen ones from the four winds,
from one end of the sky to the other"

"Then shall two be in the field, one taken, the other left"
(Matthew 24:40 and Luke 17:36)

Luke 17:37
"And they asked Him, Where Lord?
"And He said unto them,
Wheresoever the carcase is there will the birds be gathered together"

And we are given more details about it in Revelation 19:17-21

"....and all the birds were filled with their flesh"

His response in Luke 17:37 matching Matthew 24:28 shows us that the two passages are speaking about the same thing.

Taken altogether and in order, Matthew 24, Mark 13, Luke 17,
1 Corinthians 15:51-58,
1 Thessalonians 4:16-17,
2 Thessalonians 1:7-10 ,
2 Thessalonians 2:1-11,
we get the full understanding and order.

And Paul does mention angels arriving with Christ in Thessalonians.



There is no doctrine that can come up with a 'rapture' (a disappearance of people)
from scripture without taking things out of order and out of context.





Ezekiel 37:1-15 = resurrections
Ezekiel 37:15-24 = reign of the Messiah
Ezekiel 38 and 39 = Gog and Magog

Revelation 20:4-5 = resurrections
Revelation 20:5-7 = reign of the Messiah
Revelation 20:7-10 = Gog and Magog

Isaiah 26:19 = resurrections
Isaiah 27:1 = and the Lord slays two beasts on that day

Revelation 19:7-14 = marriage of the Lamb, which we know involves resurrections
Revelation 19:14-21 = and the Lord slays two beasts on that day

Backed by the order in Isaiah, we thereby know for sure how to understand Revelation 19,
resurrections then slaying of the beasts.


Job 38:17 = Christ dies and rises from the dead immortal
Job 38:22-23 = Hiterls loss largely due to the winter


.
Job 38:25 = Thunder, seventh angel beginning to sound
Job 38:33 = Reign

"for I know that my redeemer lives,
and He shall stand at the last day upon the land.
And even if worms destroy my body and I die,
yet in my flesh shall I see the Lord"
Job 19:25-26


And Paul did not call it the rapture, Paul called what he was speaking about, the resurrection.

2 Timothy 2:18

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