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BPPLEE · 2025-10-12T21:06:21-0500

Pro 6:16 - These six things the LORD hates,
Yes, seven are an abomination to Him:

Pro 6:17 - A proud look,
A lying tongue,
Hands that shed innocent blood,

Pro 6:18 - A heart that devises wicked plans,
Feet that are swift in running to evil,

Pro 6:19 - A false witness who speaks lies,
And one who sows discord among brethren.

Christsfreeservant · 2025-10-12T20:50:12-0500

“How long, O naive ones, will you love being simple-minded?

And scoffers delight themselves in scoffing

And fools hate knowledge?

“Turn to my reproof,

Behold, I will pour out my spirit on you;

I will make my words known to you.

“Because I called and you refused,

I stretched out my hand and no one paid attention;

And you neglected all my counsel

And did not want my reproof;

I will also laugh at your calamity;

I will mock when your dread comes,

When your dread comes like a storm

And your calamity comes like a whirlwind,

When distress and anguish come upon you.

“Then they will call on me, but I will not answer;

They will seek me diligently but they will not find me,

Because they hated knowledge

And did not choose the fear of the Lord.

“They would not accept my counsel,

They spurned all my reproof.

“So they shall eat of the fruit of their own way

And be satiated with their own devices.

“For the waywardness of the naive will kill them,

And the complacency of fools will destroy them.

“But he who listens to me shall live securely

And will be at ease from the dread of evil.” (Proverbs 1:22-33 NASB1995)

The naïve, in this context, are not those who are innocent, inexperienced, and trusting people who are gullible and who easily believe other people, that they are who they say they are, doing what they say they are doing. The naïve, in this context, are the foolish, the seducible, careless, easily deceived, and the self-indulgent and selfish who are unwilling to part with their foolishness and their sinful practices, who refuse God’s reproof, and who neglect the counsel of God in order to continue in their sinful ways.

Many of them are the malicious, morally unclean, deceptive, manipulative, opportunistic, who are liars, untrustworthy, egocentric fakes who fake their Christianity in order to deceive and to take advantage of others who trust them. Rather than turning to the Scriptures, taught in the correct biblical context, to get their counsel, they turn to the adulterous and idolatrous church to get their counsel. And what they receive is a clever blend of truth and lies which does not put sin to death, but which pampers the sinner.

For the adulterous and the idolatrous “church” teaches the forgiveness and grace of God more like a covering over the sin, to hide the sin, rather than to remove the sin from the life of the one claiming to want to be in a relationship with Jesus Christ. And they teach repentance (if they do at all) more like a verbal confession of sin, rather than as a change of heart and mind resulting in a change of behavior. But biblical repentance requires that we die to sin and now obey our Lord, in practice, empowered by God.

So, the result of this is that the malicious, adulterous, promiscuous, self-indulgent idolatrous sinner just uses God’s grace as a covering for his sin, but not as an instrument of God, via Jesus’ death and resurrection, which puts sin to death, which then results in obedience to the Lord’s commands. So they just continue on the same sin cycle as they had been on before they made a claim to faith in Jesus Christ. Nothing changes. But no heart, mind, attitude, or behavioral changes required = no genuine faith in Jesus Christ.

But if you turn to the Lord, to his reproof, and you, by faith in Jesus Christ, die with Christ to sin, and now walk in obedience to his commands, in the power of God, by his Spirit, then God will pour out his Spirit upon you, and he will give you new life in Christ Jesus to be lived for God and for his purposes. And he will make his Word (his gospel) known to you so that you can follow him in the way in which he would have us to go, as his followers. If we listen to God, and we obey him, we will live with him for eternity.

But, if we deny him by our lifestyles, and if we refuse him and his gospel message (the one taught by Jesus and his apostles in the correct biblical context), and if we neglect his counsel to us, and if we refuse his reproof, and we choose to go our own way, instead, and if we hold on to our sinful practices, deliberately and habitually sinning against God, and we don’t obey him in practice, then when we call to him, he will not answer unless we repent, in truth, and we die to sin, and we now follow him in obedience.

For Jesus Christ taught that to come to him we must deny self, take up our cross daily (die daily to sin), and follow (obey) him. For if we hold on to living in sin and for self, we will lose our lives for eternity. But if we deny self, die daily to sin, by the Spirit, and we walk in obedience to our Lord and to his commands, in his power, then we have eternal life with God. For not everyone who calls him “Lord” will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one DOING (obeying) the will of God (see Luke 9:23-26; Matthew 7:21-23).

[Matthew 7:13-14,21-23; Luke 9:23-26; John 10:27-30; Acts 26:18; Romans 1:18-32; Romans 2:5-10; Romans 3:23; Romans 6:1-23; Romans 8:1-14; 1 Corinthians 10:1-22; Galatians 5:16-24; Ephesians 2:8-10; Ephesians 4:17-32; Ephesians 5:3-6; Titus 2:11-14; Hebrews 3:1-19; Hebrews 4:1-13; Hebrews 10:19-39; Hebrews 12:1-2; 1 Peter 2:24; 1 John 1:1-10; 1 John 2:3-6; 1 John 3:4-10; Revelation 2:1-29; Revelation 3:1-22]

My Sheep

Based off John 10:1-30 NIV
An Original Work / June 24, 2012
Christ’s Free Servant, Sue J Love

My sheep hear me. They know me.
They listen to my voice and obey.
I call them and lead them.
They know my voice, so they follow me.
They will never follow strangers.
They will run away from them.
The voice of a stranger they know not;
They do not follow him.

So, I tell you the truth that
I am the gate, so you enter in.
Whoever does enter
Will find forgiveness and will be saved.
Nonetheless whoever enters
Not by the gate; other way,
He is the thief and a robber.
Listen not, the sheep to him.

Oh, I am the Good Shepherd,
Who laid his own life down for the sheep.
I know them. They know me.
They will live with me eternally.
The thief only comes to steal and
Kill and to destroy the church.
I have come to give you life that
You may have it to the full…

They know my voice, so they follow me.

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They Neglect God’s Counsel
An Original Work / October 12, 2025
Christ’s Free Servant, Sue J Love

Delvianna · 2025-10-12T20:36:44-0500

*LILAC said:
She's already deleted mine and a bunch of others' comments and I think I may have been blocked.

I added my response to the mix. Even if she pulls down the comments, she has to read them first in order to decide to pull them... so MAYBE, something might reach her. I doubt it... but one can hope.

Hentenza · 2025-10-12T20:34:30-0500

2PhiloVoid said:
That's alright. Carry On, then ... !

KANSAS - "Carry On Wayward Son" (1976)

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Possibly one of my all-time favorites!

Not a gen x but love that song. :oldthumbsup:

Akita Suggagaki · 2025-10-12T20:32:36-0500

wing2000 said:
No prior president has ever used the military to execute civilians on the high seas without making any attempt to interdict and detain them. The fact is, we may never know what was on that boat and who the occupants were. The evidence lies at the bottom of ocean.

And the worst part is we don’t want to know or care.

seeking.IAM · 2025-10-12T20:20:52-0500

That would happen once and I would be looking for a new church -- if, that is, I had ever chosen to go there in the first place which seems particularly unlikely.

concretecamper · 2025-10-12T20:15:02-0500

Hentenza · 2025-10-12T20:13:04-0500

Colo Millz said:
Jung: Quid pro quo, Father. You want to peer into my collective unconscious? Tell me first—what haunts the corridors of your own intellect? That moment when you gazed upon the divine and declared all your writings as straw. What did you see that silenced the Summa?

Aquinas: Bold, psychologist. Very well. It was a vision, not of words, but of essence—God as the unmoved Mover, pure act, beyond the quibbles of essence and existence. My tomes became chaff in the wind of eternity. Now, your turn. You speak of archetypes, these primordial images bubbling from the depths. Are they not echoes of the Forms, or perhaps the angels themselves, intermediaries between God and man?

Jung: Echoes? They are the architects of the psyche, Thomas—universal patterns etched into every soul, shaping myths, dreams, religions. Your angels might be one such archetype: messengers from the unconscious, not heaven. But tell me, quid pro quo—what terrors did you face in reconciling the pagan philosopher with your Christian God? Did doubt ever creep in, like a shadow self, whispering that the Prime Mover might not be your Yahweh?

Aquinas: Doubt? The intellect seeks truth as the will seeks good. Aristotle's errors were veils, lifted by grace. No shadow self, but the light of faith illuminating reason. Yet you, Jung, posit a collective unconscious—a sea of inherited memories. Is this not akin to original sin, a shared wound in humanity's soul? Or do you deny the Fall, seeing it as mere myth?

Jung: Myth? Myths are the language of the soul, more real than your scholastic distinctions. Original sin could be the archetype of the wounded healer—the expulsion from Eden as the birth of consciousness from blissful ignorance. But quid pro quo, Saint Thomas. In your visions of heaven, did you ever encounter the anima—the feminine soul within the man? Or was your God too patriarchal, suppressing the Sophia that whispers wisdom?

Aquinas: Sophia is divine Wisdom, personified in Christ, not some inner siren. But your anima intrigues—perhaps a reflection of Mary, the mediatrix of graces. Suppress? No, integrate, as I did faith and reason. Now, reveal: your shadow, this dark side you claim we all harbor. Is it the devil incarnate, or merely untamed passion? How does one confront it without falling into heresy?

Jung: The shadow is the unlived life, Thomas—the parts we deny, projecting onto others as evil. Your devil might be humanity's collective shadow, externalized in theology. To confront it? Integration, not exorcism. Face it in dreams, in active imagination. But tell me, quid pro quo—what would you ask of your own shadow if it appeared before you? That corpulent friar wrestling with the temptations of the flesh, or the intellect's pride?

Aquinas: Pride? The sin of angels. If my shadow appeared, I would question it as I did the philosophers: What truth do you hide? For even darkness serves the greater light. Your methods sound like alchemy—transmuting base metals of the psyche into gold. Is God the philosopher's stone in your system, or merely a symbol?

Jung: God as archetype—the Self, the mandala of wholeness. Not your personal deity, but the unifying force in the psyche. Alchemy was the precursor to psychology, turning inner lead to spiritual gold. But quid pro quo ends here, Thomas. You've given me a feast for thought; take this: The soul is not just immortal—it's infinite, a microcosm of the cosmos, where your angels dance with my archetypes in eternal dialogue.

Aquinas: Then let us continue this dance, Dr. Jung. For in seeking, we find not answers, but deeper questions.

Jung: Quid pro quo: You've integrated faith and reason like a master builder. But what of the alchemists you dismissed as heretics? Their transmutations—were they not shadows of your own eucharistic mysteries, turning bread into divine substance?

Aquinas: Alchemists chased illusions, mistaking matter for spirit. The Eucharist is no metaphor, but real presence—substance changed while accidents remain. Yet your psychology alchemizes the soul itself. Tell me, does this process heal, or merely delude? Is the Self you pursue God, or a golden calf forged in the fires of ego?

Jung: Healing comes from integration, not suppression. The Self is the God-image within, not your transcendent Other. But delusion? Ah, that's the risk of any quest. Quid pro quo, Father: In your Summa, you argue for God's existence through five ways. Which one whispers doubt in the quiet hours? The unmoved Mover, perhaps, who might as well be the impersonal force of nature, devoid of your loving Trinity?

Aquinas: Doubt is the forge of faith; it tempers belief. The ways are demonstrations, not whispers—motion, causation, necessity, degrees, design—all pointing to the First Cause. Nature's force? Mere secondary causation, animated by the Prime. But you, Jung, with your synchronicity—meaningful coincidences without cause. Is this not providence in secular guise, or chaos masquerading as order?

Jung: Synchronicity bridges the psyche and the world, acausal yet meaningful, like your miracles but without divine intervention. It's the universe winking at the soul. Quid pro quo: Your celibacy, Thomas—the denial of the body for the spirit. Did the anima ever rebel, appearing in dreams as temptress or muse? Or did you sublimate her into your devotion to the Virgin?

Aquinas: The body is the soul's instrument, not its prison. Celibacy frees the intellect for higher unions. Dreams? They are sense impressions reordered by reason, not sirens from the depths. Yet your anima as inner woman—perhaps a dim reflection of Eve redeemed, or Wisdom calling in the streets. Now, confront this: Your mandala, the circle of wholeness. Is it not the wheel of samsara, trapping souls in cycles, or does it echo the eternal return to God?

Jung: The mandala is the psyche's compass, guiding through chaos to center. Not entrapment, but liberation from one-sidedness. Your heaven might be the ultimate mandala—hierarchies of angels orbiting the divine. But quid pro quo: What if your vision at Mass, that mystical ecstasy, was not God but the eruption of the unconscious? A peak experience, as I'd call it, dissolving the ego in archetypal flood.

Aquinas: Blasphemy or insight? The vision was grace, not eruption—union with the Infinite, where words fail. If your unconscious holds such power, then perhaps it is the soul's antechamber to God. But tell me of your Red Book, those visions you chronicled. Were they divine inspirations, or dialogues with demons? Did Philemon, your spirit guide, bear wings like Gabriel?

Jung: Philemon was an archetype, a wiser self emerging from the depths—not demon, but daimon, in the ancient sense. The Red Book was my confrontation with the unconscious, a voluntary madness to find sanity. Quid pro quo ends not yet, Thomas. In your era, heresy burned at the stake. What modern heresy haunts you now? Freud's id, perhaps, reducing soul to sex drive?

Aquinas: Heresy is error persisted in willfully. Freud's drives are passions unchecked, but the soul transcends them through virtue. Yet your collective unconscious might house the virtues themselves—innate potentials for good. One last exchange: If we met in the afterlife, would your archetypes bow to my angels, or merge in some grand synthesis?

Jung: Synthesis, always synthesis—that's the alchemical wedding. Angels and archetypes dancing in the great mandala of existence. Until then, Thomas, keep questioning. The soul thrives on it.

Aquinas: As does the mind. Farewell, seeker of shadows. May light find you.

[The chamber fades, echoes of their words lingering like incense, bridging centuries in an unending pursuit of truth.]

You remind me of an old time member here named CaDan. Are you him?

River Jordan · 2025-10-12T19:55:19-0500

sfs said:
I was aiming for irony there.

Oh, my mistake.

Always in His Presence · 2025-10-12T19:34:36-0500

The Liturgist said:
I specifically did - see point 3.

Thank you for your oponion

bèlla · 2025-10-12T19:26:59-0500

Reluctant Theologian said:
What a

I don't know the USA education system - but what are you thoughts on this downtrend in literacy?

Dumbing down is real. Curriculums aren’t as rigorous, parents are less involved, teachers are quitting in droves and students can’t do the work. There’s a correlation with technology and attention spans are getting shorter every year. Ai will make things worse. Some are pushing against the trend through intentional learning like I shared the other day. They were concerned about brain rot and doom scrolling is common.

I prefer to educate children at home. That’s not a knock against schools but they’ll learn more in that environment and the curriculum can be Christ centered. Something along these lines with tweaks of course. Classical Christian education is rising in popularity.

What's on your mind? Friendship Court edition.

Regular family time? Eating dinner together? No, sorry, that's not the answer. I've already given a hint somewhere in this subforum.

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~bella

rockytopva · 2025-10-12T19:24:31-0500

Starship 11 update...

SpaceX tries for 2 successful Starship missions in a row with Monday's launch

SpaceX will have the chance on Monday to show that Starship's successful August flight, the first to complete all its primary mission goals, was no fluke.

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HIM · 2025-10-12T19:22:43-0500

ARBITER01 said:
That's what I thought. There is no scripture for being nosey.

If there are problems in my walk or anybody else's with The Lord (and I've been with Him about 35 years now), then things like that are for The Lord to address with us, not you.

I don't think it is ok for me to go asking people on here if they are caught up in willful sin, and neither should you. In other words, mind your own business. You're not my keeper and I'm not in your church.

My walk with The Lord is perfectly fine, in fact, maturing day by day towards perfection and an anointing. That's His responsibility with me.

Oh there is scripture Mr 35 years.

Jeff Saunders · 2025-10-12T19:17:37-0500

Freth said:
Scripture confirms that the law of God is eternal. See Isaiah 66:23, Psalms 19:7-14, and Psalms 119:160 for statements of fact.

The Bible shows us that God has an eternal standard for all of His creation. It is found in the war in heaven where Lucifer and a third of the angels fell because of sin, but two thirds did not. It is found in Eden where Adam and Eve lived in harmony with God before falling into sin. It is found in thousands of years of God's efforts to save man, even going so far as to send His only Son to die on the cross. It is found in the everlasting gospel. It is found in the patience of the saints who keep the commandments of God. It is found in Isaiah's description of the new heaven and new earth.

If you think about it, if God was going to change His standard, he could have done so at the very beginning, when there was war in heaven. He could have done so when Adam and Eve sinned. He could have done so any time in the thousands of years of sinful man, but He did not, He instead wrote His law in stone with His own hand.

God goes to great lengths in the Bible to call man to obedience unto righteousness. If God were to change His standard, the goal post moves forward or backward, and the whole of salvation and the cross are rendered moot.

The point of salvation is reconciliation with God, according to His standard. Sin is and always will be transgression of the eternal law of God. It has to be an unchanging standard, otherwise it's not a standard at all.

How do you explain Isaiah 65:17 " For behold, I create a new heavens and a new earth; And the former things will not be remembered or come to mind."
Rev 21:5 " And He who sits on the throne said, " Behold I am making all things new."
Did God forget about these verses and is going to keep some of the former things?

JulieB67 · 2025-10-12T19:16:04-0500

any time before the Antichrist commits the ToD act......@Douggg's view
no rapture.....@Gregory Thompson's view
before the 7 year tribulation starts, His Church to stay in the clouds for the 7 years......@ d taylor's view
no rapture to heaven, instead an earthly transportation to meet/be with Jesus at His return.....@ keras's view
rapture late January 2026/7...........@Marilyn C's view
Post-trib rapture ("after the tribulation of those days" - Matthew 24:29-31, Mark 13:24-27)....@Spiritual Jew's view
no rapture..... @ViaCrucis's view
a rapture, but not to heaven, instead to a place on the present earth that God will designate as New Jerusalem....@Indentured Servant's view
Rapture/snatching away at the end of time (the very last day) to the GWT Judgement for all believers and non-believers. Only the martyrs are raised early and reign with Christ for 1000 years (the first resurection).....@1Tonne's view
Post tribulation Second Coming @JulieB67

Maria Billingsley · 2025-10-12T19:13:24-0500

Valletta said:
Jordan says ICE agents ‘doing the Lord’s work’

Rep. Jim Jordan (R-Ohio) said on Sunday that Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) agents are “doing the Lord’s work” as the agency faces criticism over its tactics. “I think the ICE agents are doing the Lord’s work. They’re doing what the president promised the American people he was going...

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Such a tragic situation created by letting in ten to twenty million people, so many unvetted, in one presidential term. So many resources wasted because ambitious people decided to break the laws of our country. Those resources could have been used to bring in more who love America in legally.

How twisted is this going to get? This is a clear case of using the Lord's name in vain. God help Jordan who is deceived and spreading a falsehood to the Fold.

JulieB67 · 2025-10-12T19:12:55-0500

a Jew, anointed the King of Israel thought-to-be messiah. @Douggg 's view
a Gentile. @kinshasa19 's view
a Jew, the false prophet (in revelation 19:20), a nephilim, the actual seed of Satan, the beast from the land/earth. @d taylor 's view
a Gentile - from Islam. @Marilyn C's view
a Jesus teaching the opposite of Jesus' teachings @Gregory Thompson's view
There are many antichrists, not just one. All who deny Jesus is the Christ denies the Father and the Son and are antichrists (1 John 2:22). @Spiritual Jew's view
the Antichrist could be a person, but also maybe an institution. @9Rock9's view
The Antichrist will be the next Mahdi from Islam. @1Tonne's view
Man of Sin/Antichrist- Satan @JulieB67

Jeff Saunders · 2025-10-12T19:02:30-0500

Aaron112 said:
It is better to avoid discussion about false gospels, false teachings, heresies and such ---- all those things being of and from the devil and it is dangerous like trying to get a footing in quicksand!

What about scripture saying greater is he who is in you than he that is in the world. it sounds like you are afraid of ideas but Jesus said perfect love casts out all fear.

keras · 2025-10-12T18:59:12-0500

Jeffrey Bowden said:
Keras, the “faithful peoples” are not even on Earth at the time of Rev 6:15-17.

Your usual pretentious and hopeful guesswork. Until you provide the Bible verse which says that God intends to rapture His people to heaven, before any trials and testing, then your beliefs are wrong.

Jeffrey Bowden said:
1 Th 1:10 (ESV): and to wait for his Son from heaven, whom he raised from the dead, Jesus who delivers us from the wrath to come.

This verse is no proof for a rapture. Heaven or removal are not mentioned.
We are told many times how the Lord will protect His own people as they pass thru all that must happen. Isaiah 43:2 The 3 men in the furnace are our example.

Chesterton · 2025-10-12T18:58:18-0500

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Jeff Saunders · 2025-10-12T18:51:36-0500

chevyontheriver said:
Gehenna is far worse than Sheol. The worm doesn't even die. The fire doesn't go out.

Is that the same fie that is still burning from Sodom and Gomorrah ?

Chesterton · 2025-10-12T18:39:46-0500

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Delvianna · 2025-10-12T18:19:51-0500

I like what he had to say and as far as his vision goes, seems like the point was to freak him out. No other reason.

camille70 · 2025-10-12T18:02:58-0500

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