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Israel-Hamas Thread II

CAIRO/JERUSALEM (Reuters) -Israel restricted aid into Gaza and kept the enclave's border shut on Tuesday while re-emergent Hamas fighters demonstrated their grip by executing men in the street, darkening the outlook for U.S. President Donald Trump's plan to end the war.


Hamas continues their violence preventing much needed aid for Gazans. The only way this peace will hold is if Hamas Kate fine their weapons and stops the violence.
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Disgusting! Bigoted, Anti-Catholic Costumes

When I was in college, there were two students, both non-practicing Catholics, who wore a "sexy nun" and priest costume to a school dance. They then went on twitter and made some sexual remarks about their costume. The school is a Catholic school sponsored by Benedictine sisters. Needless to say, it didn't end well.
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Requesting prayers....

I have to go in this morning for either two root canals, or one root canal and one extraction. :( I am not a fan of dental work, thanks to the very first dentist I ever saw in 1965---a sadist whom I believe to this very day was an escaped Nazi. In any event, I am not looking forward to this, and if you could all pray that everything goes well today, I would be grateful.
praying now!
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AI understands the Sabbath and Col 2:16

Rev 21:4 And God will wipe away every tear from their eyes; there shall be no more death, nor sorrow, nor crying. There shall be no more pain, for the former things have passed away.”

Why would we be sacrificing animals which was a shadow when we will be with the substance which is Christ. If you want to live in shadows, its not for me to judge.
Zechariah is not speaking of the shadows. He is speaking of what is yet to come. We are living in that shadow whether we want to or not. The future isn't now. You see, all has not been fulfilled (despite the dogma), just as Yahshua told us.

I don't believe that John is contradicting Zechariah. Whenever I read scripture in a way that seems to have scripture contradicting scripture; my first instinct is that I am misunderstanding what I'm reading.

Do you believe that Zechariah and John are contradicting each other?

If so; how would you decide which one would be a false prophet worthy of death?

You seem to think that John is speaking against Zechariah.

If this is so; have you ripped the book of Zechariah out of your Bible?

If you believe that Zechariah is a true prophet; would it not be wise to heed his warning?
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Why you can't debate unbelievers into the Kingdom of God

Denominationalism is one of the biggest diseases of modern Christianity, and a limiting factor for its growth, I would argue. The facts are, there are far more than enough "Christian" churches around in the world today. We don't need more sermons; we need more samples. And until more believers can actually start showing with their lives that they believe what they claim to, the world is going to by and large remain indifferent.

That's a good point. It's just as important for us to make the effort to live righteously as it is for us to attempt to 'be right' doctrinally.
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What to do with a troubled kid

Thanks Crystal, I think things might end up being similar with mine. I was playing it loosey goosey before because I assumed things were ultimately getting better and it seemed to make my wife happy, but not anymore. This revelation confirms a lot of things I thought were true about him so now I'm gonna tighten up and hold him accountable.
You're welcome. The hardest part might be getting your wife to back you. That was my issue. My husband was lazy as far as parenting goes. He never tried to put his foot down. I finally reached the end of my rope. The possibility of police intervention was enough to send my stepson packing. Hope you can find a way to resolve your situation that's peaceful.
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How the devil blinds humans' mind in details

Now grammatical improved by ChatGPT:

Humans are apparently blinded in many ways.

First, humans are creatures designed to prepare for the future. You find a job to sustain your life tomorrow, and you join a pension plan to cover your expenses after retirement (some governments even require this by law). The future can be divided into two parts: the part before death, which humans can anticipate and prepare for, and the part beyond death, which lies entirely outside human reach. Even science is powerless to explore it — this is your first layer of blindness.

Science depends on experimentation, yet humans lack the ability to step beyond their own realm to conduct experiments or make discoveries there. Therefore, science is incapable of revealing anything that does not exist within our own physical domain.

On the other hand, spirituality — since ancient times — has never been concerned with what lies within our physical world. It has always focused on what lies beyond it. In this regard, science is utterly futile and irrelevant. You must awaken and remove the blindfold placed on your mind by “the god of this world,” who is a powerful but deceptive being.

This is not even comparable to the “red unicorn” case — another layer of blindness. Humans have the means to search every corner of the Earth and conclude with certainty that no red unicorn exists. But humans have absolutely no ability to explore or search any realm beyond their own.
The only way for humans to prepare for a future they cannot access is through a God who already knows it. That is the purpose of religion. Religion is built upon the limitations of human science — it fills the gap where human knowledge ends. Finding God, in this sense, is not so different from finding a job; it is a personal responsibility of every human being.

The next question is: among all the gods of all religions, who is the true God? The answer is actually simple, but another layer of blindness prevents you from recognizing it. It has to do with what can legitimately be considered a reliable means of conveying truth.

A clear analogy can help illustrate this. Consider the 2020 U.S. election — who actually won, Biden or Trump? Only one answer can be true, yet humanity was unable to agree on the truth. People even stormed the Capitol with weapons, showing how human understanding can be clouded by unseen forces. What drives such confusion? If you can discern that, you are close to removing your blindness and seeing the truth.

To explain fully would take time, but one aspect alone can burst the illusion. Think of how a legitimate message should be communicated. If the U.S. government has an urgent message for all its citizens, what would it do? The only effective way is to broadcast the message nationwide — not just to a single village or state — ensuring that every citizen can hear it. This is the most efficient way for a message to reach humanity.

By the same logic, if God has a crucial message for all humankind, how should He deliver it? Ideally, He would appear publicly and speak openly. But there exists a divine Covenant between God and mankind that requires faith for salvation. If God were to appear publicly, no faith would be necessary, and thus no one could be saved. Therefore, God abides by this Covenant and reveals Himself only to chosen witnesses — so that others must believe by faith.

The next most effective way, then, is the “national broadcast” model — delivering the message in a way that reaches all people. Christianity is the only religion that fulfills this model. The gospel — God’s crucial message — is commanded to be preached to all nations, in a truly global and human-facing manner. From the very beginning, Christianity has been devoted to spreading this message to every corner of the Earth. In contrast, other religions limit their teachings to specific regions or peoples.
This is just one of many aspects that reveal what can be considered a legitimate way of conveying truth — yet you remain blinded to recognize it.

To summarize, there are two main layers of blindness implanted in your mind.
First, you fail to see the true nature of religion — that it is humanity’s way of preparing for the unknown future, much like finding a job.

Second, you are blinded to what constitutes a legitimate way of conveying truth — as illustrated by the U.S. government analogy.

This blindness has been prophesied: “The god of this world has blinded the minds of men.”
And 1 Tim 4 :1-9. explains it and to long for me to type.

But I do have under column under DISPENSATION !!

dan p
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SpaceX Starship 9 breaking apart

Perhaps. What constitutes "success" these days?
Successful completion of all planned activities, including deliberate exclusion of thermal protection tiles from specific areas, test release of starlink stimulators, relighting of raptors in vaccuum, exposure of craft to extreme angles of approach to test resilience, 180 degree turn in final phases to simulate profile for "chop stick" catch, and a host of other details.
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God Worshiper or Law Worshiper?

Looking back to when I was a young Christian I believe I fell into worshiping the law rather than the law giver. Like the crippled man at the pool of siloam looking to the pool to "save" him, I looked at the law. It was a very stern master finally whipped me into dispair. It is too long of s story to share here but I came to the point of letting go of any kind of God concept and then I met the law giver and relized what He did to procure the gift He was offering me. This is how I have come to undestand where his law fits into His boundless Grace and unconditionsal love.

1. The Law’s True Purpose

Paul never said the law was bad — he said it had a specific role:


The law reveals God’s holiness and our sinfulness — it drives us to God for mercy. But once faith comes, the believer’s relationship with the law changes:


The law shows what righteousness looks like; Christ provides the power and forgiveness to live it.


2. Law-Keeping “by the Flesh” — Self-Righteousness

When Paul speaks of “the flesh,” he means human effort apart from God’s Spirit.


That’s what Paul calls law-keeping by the flesh — obeying rules to earn favor, to prove oneself righteous, or to feel spiritually superior.

This was his own past error:


He had kept the letter of the law, but he didn’t yet know the heart of the Lawgiver. Once he met Christ, he saw that all his efforts without faith were empty.


3. Law-Keeping “by Faith” — Spirit-Empowered Obedience

When we come to God by faith, the Spirit enables us to walk in obedience from the inside out.


This is law-keeping by faith: not to earn salvation, but as the fruit of a heart transformed by grace. It’s what Jeremiah and Ezekiel foresaw when they spoke of the law written on the heart (Jeremiah 31:33; Ezekiel 36:26–27).

The believer’s obedience flows from love, not fear:



4. Worshiping God, Not the Law

Paul’s entire gospel defends worship of the Lawgiver rather than the law itself.

  • The law worshiper says, “I will prove my loyalty by keeping every command.”
  • The God worshiper says, “Because I love Him, I want to walk in His ways.”
Both might look outwardly obedient — but only one is inwardly free.

Paul put it beautifully:
And here is what ROM 6:14 says for TODAY under the. grace of. of God !!

For sin will. NOT. // OU , is a DISJUNCATIVE PARTICLE NEGATIVE will rule over you. , FOR. you. are NOT. // OU

is also DISJUNCATIVE PARTICLE NEGATIVE , under the Law , BUT under Grace , Eph. 2:8 !!

dan p
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Why do people hate ICE...

Hundreds Could Be Freed From ICE Custody After Warrantless Arrest Ruling

Immigration attorneys said they have already identified more than 200 arrests that potentially violate the consent decree. However, they said those 200 arrests are likely “just the tip of the iceberg.”


More than 1,000 people have been arrested in the Chicago area since the Department of Homeland Security launched Operation Midways Blitz at the start of September. Fleming said one of the strategies ICE has been deploying over the past few weeks has been to “go out with a small list of targets and then use that as a pretext to then sweep up everyone else that they come in contact with.”

“We suspect that the majority of immigration arrests that have taken place in Chicago in the last month are in violation of this order,” attorney Keren Zwick with the National Immigration Justice Center told Block Club.

While Fleming said the ruling will not affect people who have already been deported, he said his office will be communicating with advocates who are working with people currently to ensure they know about the ruling.
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Are Tattoos, Even Works Of Art Placed On Human Skin, Immoral?

I personally don’t think tattoos need to be decommissioned. They’re really just forms of decoration and self-expression—like art on the skin. Some people attach spiritual meaning to their tattoos, but that comes from personal belief, not the tattoo itself. At the end of the day, they’re just designs that hold whatever significance we give them.
Paul, please read the rules of the congregational forums you visit. This was the advise of a Catholic priest. You can’t debate it here.
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