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My son still feels ill

Please pray for my son Jakeb again. He still isn't feeling well. Please ask God to heal him and help him be happy and if it is His will let me hear him talk to his friends or laugh tonight. Please pray that there is nothing seriously wrong. I ask for healing mind and body. I ask in the name of Jesus. Thank you and God bless you. Carmen.

Hell doesn't exist and there is no eternal suffering, instead bad peolle just cease to exist

A hellish experience of some sort likely exists. The important question is whether it is endless / everlasting as commonly taught.

It is unlikely that a just God would punish limited people with unlimited torture.
I hope you're right. That does seem more just to me.
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Texas A&M fires lecturer, administrators over classroom gender discussion caught on video

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Lost

Looks like I am lost.
I have been searching for a while subconsciously, which is how I found my way here.
Tonight was too much, I asked God and Jesus into my life.

Nothing. I feel more alone than ever.
If you are lost, then brighten up, because you only have one thing to worry about.
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Why brighten up?
A lost sheep is never abandoned by the shepherd.
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How do we know that no lost sheep is ever abandoned?
Luke 15:3-5
3 And so He told them this parable, saying, 4What man among you, if he has a hundred sheep and has lost one of them, does not leave the other ninety-nine in the [a]open pasture and go after the one that is lost, until he finds it? 5 And when he has found it, he puts it on his shoulders, rejoicing.
Please read Ezekiel 34:6-16, and capture that beautiful word picture.

So, if you are a lost sheep, and you want to be found, don't bleat too loudly. Wolves have acute hearing. :grin:
Just do what sheep do... beside bleat loudly for their shepherd.
Yes, praying is important, but also, remember this...
John 10:27
My sheep listen to My voice; I know them, and they follow Me.​
Please read Jesus' beautiful illustration at John 10:2-30.

If you are one of Jesus sheep, you know his voice, so all you need to do, is listen out for it, and when you hear it, follow the sound.
When he calls, and you listen, and follow, then he will put you on his shoulders and carry you. Then lead you into the sheep pen.

So, three things to remember...
  1. Don't be downhearted or panic.
  2. Remember the shepherd is searching for you.
  3. Pray silently, and listen for the call of the shepherd.

How does Jesus call though? "Sheep... Sheep... Where are you?"? :grinning:
In the same way God searched for the lost sheep of Israel. Please read Matthew 10:5, 6
Compare Matthew 28:19, 20 and Romans 10:13-15
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James 5:16 - What does confess your sins to one another mean?

Thank you. The little known fact was certainly not known by me so I appreciate you for telling me!
Anglican here, we have a different format for confession to a Priest than Catholics, and we have the option of confession to any church member. We also have a similar prayer to the one concretecamper posted above, before ever service with Holy Communion.

This post is not intended to tell anyone how to confess correctly, or that their different way is wrong.
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Creation of Man patterned after God - the GodHead

You've explained it well here but still..................I have to pray about it. It's a hard thing to understand :praying:
Jesus said , “there is one who condemns you even Moses in who you trust” Moses brought the Ten Commandments to give to Israel. These Ten Commandments were written and engraved on stone and are the ministry of death. They kill everyone under them, there is no life in the Ten Commandments. These law keepers here are dead, the law Moses brought down from the mountain has condemned them to death. Jesus said, “search the scriptures for in them you think you have everlasting life but these are those which testify of me.” The Ten Commandments do not offer everlasting life but rather everlasting death. There is a new and living way through Jesus Christ that law keepers don’t know. Ten Commandment keepers are yet in the old covenant, deny the work of Christ, are condemned by Moses and have no life in them. Do a Bible study with key words like, mercy, righteousness, faith, justification and life with respect to the Ten Commandments and see that the Ten Commandments did not offer any of these things. Since the Ten Commandments cannot be altered in any way you cannot add these things to them. Sin is conquered by GODS love in us by HIS spirit. If we are empowered with this love then we can overcome sin. No one has ever overcome sin by keeping the Ten Commandments. John 1:17 grace and truth did not come by the Ten Commandments but through Jesus Christ.
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The common thread in Trump's defenders

Really hey?
Well, it's probably silly to think they don't exist anywhere. I'm sure in 30 years there may still be a few Trump defenders too.

I’ve been pretty disappointed with the lack of derision directed at jim. I kind of get not wanting to make Hillary collateral damage, but still… Given the attitudes levied towards other creeps, Bubba should have been run out of town on a rail. But he’s mostly just been allowed to fade into the background like a bunch of creepy famous musicians have.
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Ethics of Proselytization

"Undeniably, those who willfully shut out God from their hearts and try to dodge religious questions are not following the dictates of their consciences, and hence are not free of blame; yet believers themselves frequently bear some responsibility for this situation. For, taken as a whole, atheism is not a spontaneous development but stems from a variety of causes, including a critical reaction against religious beliefs, and in some places against the Christian religion in particular. Hence believers can have more than a little to do with the birth of atheism. To the extent that they neglect their own training in the faith, or teach erroneous doctrine, or are deficient in their religious, moral or social life, they must be said to conceal rather than reveal the authentic face of God and religion." #19

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Does atheism even really exist?

You may have read this thread title and thought "of course atheism exists, my coworker is an atheist" or something like that.

No, your coworker just calls himself an atheist, but in reality he just worships lower gods than Christ (such as video games, anime, porn, money, etc;)

Here is the scripture I see as backing this up:

“Their end is destruction, their god is their belly, and they glory in their shame, with minds set on earthly things.” - Philippians 3:19

In my opinion, as someone who is neither a priest or a theologian, this shows that all atheists worship their own god(s), which dismantles many pretentious atheist arguments such as "I just worship one less god than you do" and "religion is inherited", etc;

Scripture does not really define what atheism is aside from it being foolish so I wanted to make this thread to ask if we as Christians should even believe in such a thing as atheism
Atheism is the non belief of any gods.
  • The term "atheist" isn't used in the Bible, but the concept of practical atheism is described as "the fool says in his heart, 'There is no God'" (Psalm 14:1).
God's law is written on everyone's heart ... has to be .... because all are judged according to the law .... judgement is entirely up to Jesus and we are not privy to His judgements. The reality is we don't know who will or will not be in heaven. What I do know is that God knows everything and I trust His judgement completely.

The apostle Paul warns the Philippians in Philippians 3:18-19 about false Christians who are "enemies of the cross of Christ" because they live "earthly things" and "set their mind on earthly things". He describes these individuals with sadness, saying he tells them about this "even weeping". Their ultimate fate, Paul states, is "destruction".
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Not a lot of respect for men

Sometimes this is not possibly, however, God recognizes the abuse, and when the wife humbles herself to God and ask for help, God removes that man - sometimes to the detriment of the man to break the authority - God takes the man from this life.
God took mine to people who could help him with his mental health, and the pair of us to a better church. Just saying....I entirely agree, no one has to remain unsafe.
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Always bearing about in the body the dying of the Lord Jesus, that the life also of Jesus might be made manifest in our body...

Nobody of the outside world is being mortally saved because they cannot “see” Him.

His visage…His view…is being marred by the man-based churches so that they cannot see His life (shining through us) and be saved. They only see darkness when they look at the man-based churches who are not shining His light to them. God does not give His praise to images. No man-based church is shining the glory of God and so the people of the outside world are not praising Him because their view of a man-based church. They have all fallen short of the glory of God. The glory of God has departed from them as they are serving the abomination of desolation....the church handwriting that desolates their gatherings of His glory.

The Son of man is now being betrayed (given up) unto the chief priests (of the man-based churches) and their scribes….their writers of the handwritings of church ordinances. They are serving the sin instead of dying to it and are perishing in the man-based churches.

Mat 20:18-19 KJV

(18) Behold, we go up to Jerusalem; and the Son of man shall be betrayed unto the chief priests and unto the scribes, and they shall condemn him to death,

And so as a result of this going on inside the man-based churches, the outside nations are mocking Him instead of looking to Him/us and praising God. This has been the time of the gentiles...the nations...as they tread upon us ...ruling over us and scoffing us.

(19) And shall deliver him to the Gentiles to mock, and to scourge, and to crucify him: and the third day he shall rise again.

The false prophets are actively cutting off the life of Jesus (the Son of man) from being made manifest in the mortal flesh of His people. They are delivering us up to be afflicted. They “kill” us because they are cutting off His life from being made manifest in the people they are deceiving. No flesh is being saved in the man-based churches.

The shepherds who are only feeding themselves are pastoring the flock of the slaughter….and all the nations around us hate us because of His name’s sake that the false prophets are saying they come it.

Instead of the nations loving us and call us a “delight” in this world, they deride us and His name because of the false prophets who are leading many astray as they are serving the sin and are mortally perishing.

Mat 24:9 KJV
(9) Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake.

The MANY false prophets come in His name and say that they are of the true Christ (speaking in His authority) and are deceiving MANY….and the nations around us hate us as a result.

Mat 24:4-5 KJV
(4) And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.

(5) For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.

MANY false prophets are gone out into the world. They are deceiving MANY into thinking that they are of the Spirit of God…that they are speaking from Him…but do not have the doctrine of the Christ in their “preaching.” They are instead preaching with the spirit/breath of the antichrist….the breath of the instead-of- Christ

1Jn 4:1-3 KJV
(1) Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.

Every spirit…every breath…that confesses (acknowledges) that Jesus Christ IS COMING now in the flesh is of God.

(2) Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:

(3) And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.

The MANY deceivers do not confess that Jesus Christ IS COMING now (present tense) in the flesh….our mortal flesh where His presence is to be revealed to the outside world who will then “see” Him through us and believe and be saved. How many man-based churches are preaching this? None.

2Jn 1:
(7) For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.

We must not be partakers with them who are not preaching the doctrine of the Christ or we are then partakers of their evil deeds: the cutting off of the life of Jesus from this earth as His life is not being made manifest in the mortal flesh of anyone who is listening to the false prophets and going to their “churches.” We must not be supporters of such a tragedy by going to their “churches” where this is happening and supporting them .

(8) Look to yourselves, that we lose not those things which we have wrought, but that we receive a full reward.
(9) Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son.
(10) If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed:

(11) For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds.

We are to hear His words in those whom He sends to speak them…those who have His life manifested through their mortal flesh…that have manifested the “Son of man.”

The Son of man comes (through those whom He sends out to speak His words) at an hour we think not. We are to remember to let brotherly love continue and be hospitable towards those who have His life manifested and have come to speak His words to our ears.

Mat 24:44-46 KJV
(44) Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh.
(45) Who then is a faithful and wise servant, whom his lord hath made ruler over his household, to give them meat in due season?

(46) Blessed is that servant, whom his lord when he cometh shall find so doing.

Joh 13:20 KJV
(20) Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that receiveth whomsoever I send receiveth me; and he that receiveth me receiveth him that sent me.

Yet, the unbelievers among the churches will not believe in His words when they will hear them through those whom He sends out to speak to the churches. They will not believe in His interpretation of the Law and the prophets as He opens up the Scriptures to our ears.

Luk 16:29-31 KJV
(29) Abraham saith unto him, They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them.

(30) And he said, Nay, father Abraham: but if one went unto them from the dead, they will repent.

Neither will they be persuaded though one rose from the dead….those who have the life of Jesus manifested in their mortal flesh….the Son of man manifested.

The Son of man (those who will have manifested His life in their mortal flesh) comes at a time that they think not. They will to speak to them…and yet the unbelievers in the man-based churches will reject what they will hear. They will be unprepared as they will behave badly towards those who are made alive in Him.

(31) And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.

They will scoff: “where is the promise of His coming”…that is, where is His PRESENCE (Greek: Parousia)?

Their church fathers have fallen “asleep”…they perished from this earth...and all things continue as they were from the beginning of creation.

What we have witnessed so far is the vessels of wrath as they were all under the wrath of God and mortally perished. They did not manifest the life of Jesus in their mortal flesh but instead gave themselves over to image worship (as they made their church handwritings of ordinances for them and their following generations to keep and serve)and many were deceived and went to their churches where no mortal flesh is being saved.

2Pe 3:
(3) Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts,
(4) And saying, Where is the promise of his coming (PRESENCE)? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation.
(5) For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:

(6) Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished:

Yet, they are willingly ignorant of God’s judgments in the past ages which are written for us today…for our admonition (calling attention to, warning). All the ages before us as written in the Scriptures are culminating now in this current age we are living in.

1Co 10:11 KJV
(11) Now all these things happened unto them for ensamples: and they are written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the world (AGES) are come.

The heavens and the earth WHICH ARE NOW are stored with fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men. This is a now thing. They mortally perish under His wrath because of their ungodliness found in their “churches,”

2nd Peter 3:
(7) But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.

The wrath of God IS REVEALED now from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men who hold DOWN the truth in unrighteousness.

Rom 1:18 KJV

(18) For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;
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Relative of Trump Press Secretary taken by ICE

"Mother of nephew" = sister-in-law. A sister-in-law that should have went home back in 1999. No one, including relatives of Trump's own staff, is above the law.
No, a sister-in-law is either a sibling's wife or a spouse's sister, with the "in-law" meaning by marriage. A nephew's mother may not be married to her son's father, who may have a different woman for a wife.
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Israel-Hamas Thread II

From the outset, Pope Leo's visit to Ankara was more of a political stage than a religious gesture. And no one used this stage more decisively than Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdoğan. In his speech at the Presidential Library Complex, he praised the Pope's allegedly ‘clear and wise stance’ on the "Palestinian" question, a statement that fits precisely into the narrative Erdoğan has been cultivating for years: Turkey as the moral leader of the Muslim world, Israel as its main adversary, and the West as an easy target for political blame.

The framework of the meeting already hinted at where the journey would lead. Erdogan resorted to familiar demands: an ‘immediate’ two-state model along the 1967 lines, preservation of the historical status of Jerusalem, support for the "Palestinian" cause. The fact that these positions have been repeated for decades in all international forums without Ankara itself having made any practical contribution to de-escalation or stability is deliberately ignored. The political benefit lies elsewhere: the president presents himself as the defender of a people he rhetorically exploits, while at the same time cooperating with actors who destabilise the region and openly treating Hamas as a legitimate negotiating partner.

The Pope, for his part, strives for diplomatic balance. His appeals for peace and dialogue, whether in Ukraine, the Middle East or Africa, are an expression of a religious role that is not supposed to take direct political sides. Nevertheless, Erdogan deliberately exploits the Pope's moral authority for his own purposes. He immediately incorporates the Pope's cautious wording into his ideological narrative and presents it to the world as confirmation of his line.

The climax of the performance lies in the sentence: ‘Our debt to the "Palestinian" people is justice.’ But this is precisely where the irony lies. Turkey demands justice for others, while imprisoning journalists, oppressing minorities, disempowering the judiciary and conducting military operations in Syria and northern Iraq within its own borders. Its close cooperation with activists affiliated with Hamas also contradicts any claim that it is committed to peace or reconciliation. Those who demand justice must first begin at home.

The reference to Jerusalem also highlights the inconsistency of Turkey's position. While Israel faced the worst massacre of Jews since the Shoah after Oct 7, Erdogan is exploiting the city politically without taking into account the reality of Israel's security situation. For him, Jerusalem is a symbol, not a responsibility.

Erdogan only mentions in passing that the Pope received President Isaac Herzog at the Vatican in September and discussed the situation in the Gaza Strip there. This is because this part does not fit into Turkey's narrative that Israel is isolated or delegitimised. In reality, Jerusalem is holding talks with international actors, including the Holy See, while Turkey voices loud criticism without bearing the price of terror.

Erdogan's sharp rhetoric has little to do with humanity and much to do with geopolitical ambitions. Turkey wants to present itself as the central voice of the Muslim world and uses every stage to delegitimise Israel. The Pope serves as a moral amplifier here, even if his own statements are much more nuanced than Erdogan's distortions.

Israel has long been familiar with this pattern. And that is precisely why it remains crucial not to be impressed by such political theatrics.
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what did the Bible teach you about death?

It taught me not to fear death, that death is not the ending but will be a beginning of an eternity in paradise.

And that a gruesome end doesn't mean that God wasn't with us. God doesn't promise us a peaceful death in a hospital bed surrounded by loved ones, we could be eaten by a shark for all we know, or get into a bad car accident.
It taught me death is a dormant sleep and that there is no "eternal burning place" .... how much suffering we may or may not go through is unknown but Jesus will be with us through it all.

No reason to fear death.
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Another shooting - Two DC Nat. Guard from W VA Killed


Two National Guard members are dead after being shot in downtown Washington near the White House, according to West Virginia Gov. Patrick Morrisey.​
"It is with great sorrow that we can confirm both members of the West Virginia National Guard who were shot earlier today in Washington, DC have passed away from their injuries. These brave West Virginians lost their lives in the service of their country. We are in ongoing contact with federal officials as the investigation continues," Morrisey said.​
"Our entire state grieves with their families, their loved ones, and the Guard community. West Virginia will never forget their service or their sacrifice, and we will demand full accountability for this horrific act," Morrisey said.​

Not much is known yet. Thoughts and prayers, for whatever that is worth.
Recent news reports say the two are in critical condition

What we know about the 2 National Guard members shot near White House
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