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NewLifeInChristJesus · 2025-10-14T10:29:49-0500

fhansen said:
It diminishes of course, because he's no longer partaking of it.

It's a Slow Fade, right (as in the 2007 Casting Crowns song)?

We are one with the Father and the Son (Jn 17:22),
We are in Him and He is in us (Jn 17:23),
We are joined to the Lord and are one Spirit with Him (1 Cor 6:17),
We have eternal life because life is in Jesus and Jesus is in us (1 Jn 5:11–12),
We shall not come into judgement because we have passed from death into life (Jn 5:24),
With an unveiled face, we behold the glory of the Lord and are transformed into the same image (2 Co 3:18),
We who have the firstfruits of the Spirit groan within ourselves, and eagerly await our adoption (Ro 8:23),
We earnestly desire clothing from above and have the Spirit as a guarantee (2 Co 5:1–5),
We have the mind of Christ (1 Co 2:16),
We have come to know Him because He lives in our hearts (Jn 14:19-23),
He will never leave us or forsake us (Heb 13:5), and
We are partakers of the divine nature (2 Pet 1:4).

If you look closely, all these things (and this is not a complete list) are true for a person only if Jesus is residing in that person's heart. If Jesus is in there, all these things are true for him. If Jesus is not in there, none of these things are true for him.

Maybe our dissagreement is not on the effect, but on the residency of Jesus in a person's heart.

And because you are sons, God has sent forth the Spirit of His Son into your hearts, crying out, “Abba, Father!” (Ga 4:6)

Michie · 2025-10-14T10:21:28-0500

Pope Leo XIV has sent 5,000 doses of antibiotics to the Gaza Strip in a humanitarian gesture aimed primarily at children and made possible by the recent reopening of key border crossings allowing the entry of aid.

According to Vatican News, the shipment of the medicines began this week, following the ceasefire and the start of the first phase of U.S. President Donald Trump’s peace deal.

Israel is allowing the entry of up to 600 aid trucks per day, operated by the United Nations and authorized by international organizations, private sector actors, and donor countries. On Oct. 12, more than 170 trucks loaded with humanitarian aid crossed into Gaza, according to the United Nations Relief and Works Agency for Palestine Refugees in the Near East (UNRWA).

The shipment of antibiotics to Gaza was coordinated by the Office of the Papal Almoner, the Vatican dicastery charged with carrying out charitable works for the poor and those in need on behalf of the pope, and led by Cardinal Konrad Krajewski.

Continued below.

Pope Leo XIV sends antibiotics to children in Gaza

Pope Leo XIV has sent 5,000 doses of antibiotics to Gaza following the first phase of U.S. President Donald Trump’s peace deal.

www.catholicnewsagency.com

Hans Blaster · 2025-10-14T10:15:57-0500

Abraham1st said:
For example, the world by wisdom did not know God:

1 Corinthians 1:21 For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.

So what kind of wisdom is spoken, if not the usual kind ?

Not with ENTIC ING words of man's wisdom, as our faith will not stand/is nothing to do with this worlds ideas of what is wise, ( as the wisdom of this world is foolishness with God, the same as to those of the worlds wisdom, preaching of the cross is foolishness and is of no interest now.)

But the wisdom of God is spoken in a mystery, even the hidden wisdom, it is ordained by God, and unknown by the wise princes of this world, ( the prince of this world/devil)

But the good news is, a testimony is all that needs to be given, I mean Jesus even spoke to the man with a thousand devils, called Legion, so no wonder the devils believe there is one God and TREMBLE. ( but does VAIN MAN IN HIS VAIN CONVERSATION?)

1 Corinthians 2:4 And my speech and my preaching was not with enticing words of man's wisdom, but in demonstration of the Spirit and of power:
5 That your faith should not stand in the wisdom of men, but in the power of God.
6 Howbeit we speak wisdom among them that are perfect: yet not the wisdom of this world, nor of the princes of this world, that come to nought:
7 But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, even the hidden wisdom, which God ordained before the world unto our glory:
8 Which none of the princes of this world knew: for had they known it, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory.

John 14:30 Hereafter I will not talk much with you: for the prince of this world cometh, and hath nothing in me.

James 2:19 Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.
20 But wilt thou know, O VAIN MAN, that faith without works is dead?

1 Peter 1:18 Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold, from your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers;

too long, don't care.

This is not the section for preaching. It is for discussion. You have not engaged any of the things being posted in this thread.

ThatRobGuy · 2025-10-14T10:09:15-0500

rambot said:
When they are just doing their job?

Well it seems I come across examples of this everyday...just crossed another one.

WATCH: ICE Sued After Videos Capture Pastor Shot With ‘Chemical Pellets’ at Peaceful Protest

I bet that pastor was attacking them or someth....
https://www.reddit.com/r/illinois/s/09n0juVcj3

If there are people having trouble understanding why people dislike how iCE is doing their work, I'm hoping folks will be willing to share some examples. I'll do my bit when I can.

I think we have to draw a clear line between

"people who hate them because of these incidents where they behaved unprofessionally and/or over-aggressively"
vs
"people who would still hate them anyway, even if they conducted their duties as professionally as humanly possible"

I think we have some of both in the US.

For the people in the latter category, while they may regularly cite instances of the former, their primary objections are to the mission and purpose of the agency itself, so those incidents are merely accessories they use to bolster their pre-existing argument of "we need to abolish ICE"

You can have a reasonable conversation about meaningful reforms with the former, trying to find some sort of middle ground with the latter will be a fool's errand.

FAITH-IN-HIM · 2025-10-14T10:08:21-0500

Fantine said:
He is not a peacemaker if he wages war against American citizens in DC, Chicago and Portland, for starters. My comments are in regard to peacemaker.
BTW Biden arranged the release of 6 times as many hostages and had begun to build a dock on the Mediterranean so that Palestinian food relief could not be blocked, etc.

I recall the morning following the death of Osama Bin Laden. Upon arriving at work, many colleagues expressed relief that justice had been served. However, one coworker, known for his strong Republican views, appeared noticeably reserved. When I asked him about this, he explained, "Did you not hear last night's speech? President Obama used 'I' frequently instead of 'we.' He seemed to take all the credit, even though it was the SEALs who executed the operation while he was in his office."

There was no point in trying to persuade my coworker about the situation and the relief that Americans experienced that day. His negative view of President Obama influenced his perspective, making it difficult for him to recognize any positive aspects of the event. Unfortunately today, many Americans feel similarly about President Trump.

If the United States is to return to its previous standards of political discourse—where individuals can disagree yet maintain mutual respect—we must overcome partisan divisions and seek common ground, recognizing and celebrating what truly matters.

Oompa Loompa · 2025-10-14T10:02:08-0500

CRAZY_CAT_WOMAN said:
Sadly, that's all they know. That's why early education is very important for young kids. Free mommy classes would be a good. Teaching about BC. Having free BC and condoms available. Drug programs. It would be nice if churches and the government would help these people.

Or we could just stop incentivising single motherhood and perpetuating a culture that glorifies how much money they can scam off the government and baby-daddy child support. This was LBJ's plan all along in his so called "war on poverty."

bèlla · 2025-10-14T10:02:04-0500

9 Million Americans Have Left the U.S. – Why Even Americans Don’t Want to Stay, Here’s Why

This documentary explores why Americans move abroad and how the growing U.S. migration crisis ties into broader narratives of America in crisis and even fears of a possible US collapse. We analyze the push and pull factors driving this shift. Rising costs, housing struggles, and limited opportunities are all reasons Americans leaving the U.S. seek new lives overseas. For many, this reflects visible signs of American decline, raising concerns about a looming U.S. economy collapse and intensifying discussions about the potential collapse of America.

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BCP1928 · 2025-10-14T09:52:08-0500

stevevw said:
Actually I was not alluding to anything like Atlantis. If you have this in your mind then I think you are the one elevating this to conspiracy or something unreal.

Are you not attributing the precision of these vases to the now lost technology of a previous superior civilization? You don't like Atlantis? How about the Lost Continent of Mu?

stevevw said:
I was using the same logic as yourself. You are obviously explaining the capabilities of a strap lathe or similar. That they can somehow fix the setup to be stable to to get better symmetry and circularity. Your more or less trying to build a modern style lathe but with primitive ways. Same thing.

I am not saying it must be a modern type CNC lathe.

No, you've backed down from that at least.

stevevw said:
I am saying the signatures are the same as modern machining on a lathe of some sort. A lathe that has to be very stable with a stable cutter that will maintain the high tolerances.

We are actually saying the same thing. Your just trying to create a more elaborate version of the rudimentary one orthodox methods claims on the wall and in experiments. Which is the bore stick that wobbles.

The logic being the more precise and tight the tolerances are the more sophisticated the lathing. Whether that be made by some sticks, hemp rope and tar or a modern machine. They are achieving a similar result. Either way its far more advanced than what the orthody claims. Which is there was no potters wheel or lathe at all.

No, that's your line--that the Naqada people made stone pots which would absolutely require a lathe but they absolutely did not have the lathe, Atlantis QED.
That's your crap argument which is why you are being accused of ignorance and illogic.

stevevw said:
Does the orthodox view actually say the Naqada people had some sophisticated lathing which was very stable and fast turning like a strap lathe. I think you will find they say they did not even have the potters wheel and made pts by the coil method. They assume that they must have somehow made them. But they have never found any laths or potters wheels. Found plenty of vases though.

Common sense recognises that good to excellent symmetry and circularity is achieved on a potters wheel or lathe. So its not conjecture. But it is conjecture to say that obvious signatures that point to machining and lathing are not pointing to machining and lathing.

How that was done is conjecture. I am just saying the signatures are on par with modern machining such as CNC lathing because of the tight tolerances ect. That they match modern vases.

Yet you insist that the Naqada people could not have developed any such technology for themselves because they were too primitive, You're not even interested in exploring how they might have developed the technology because that would spoil your fantasy. Which is too bad, because the question is quite an interesting one.

camille70 · 2025-10-14T09:48:49-0500

U.S. consumers will pay 55% of Trump tariff costs, Goldman Sachs says - UPI.com

U.S. consumers will likely pay for more than half the cost of tariffs this year through higher prices, according to a new Goldman Sachs analysis.

www.upi.com

Oct. 13 (UPI) -- U.S. consumers will likely pay for more than half the cost of tariffs this year through higher prices, according to a new Goldman Sachs analysis.

Goldman Sachs economists predicted Sunday that U.S. companies will shoulder 22% of the tariffs, implemented by President Donald Trump six months ago, with foreign exporters taking an 18% hit by cutting prices.

"If recently implemented and future tariffs have the same eventual impact on prices as the tariffs implemented earlier this year, then U.S. consumers would eventually absorb 55% of tariff costs," according to economists.

bling · 2025-10-14T09:45:03-0500

Hentenza said:
If any unbeliever reasons the existence of God then he/she would become a believer because God has softened their heart. Unbelievers typically reason the non existence of God.

They just not need to be a fool.

bèlla · 2025-10-14T09:43:17-0500

Gregory Thompson said:
I do recall things my brain dismissed as luxury activities requiring proof of vaccination. But nothing like buying groceries or household essentials.

I’d forgotten as well. Travel restrictions were put in place in various countries. If you weren’t vaccinated you had to quarantine for a specified period. We saw similar mandates for employment, access to local attractions and school enrollment. One of the lessons I learned during that time was the importance of online options for higher education. Many institutions didn’t have them in place and the lockdowns had a negative impact.

But it also produced a lot of entrepreneurs, pantry tours and the sourdough trend which isn’t bad. I remember when yeast wasn’t available and I grabbed some from a lesser known source. I’d put together a list of vendors over the years off for that purpose.

~bella

Clare73 · 2025-10-14T09:39:39-0500

Daniel Martinovich said:
Consider the verse below when thinking about the modern nation of Israel.
Isaiah 54:9 To me this is like the days of Noah, when I swore that the waters of Noah would never again cover the earth. So now I have sworn not to be angry with you, never to rebuke you again.
The Apostle Paul declares the obvious in Galatians 4:26-27. That Isaiah 54 is a prophecy about the New Jerusalem. The context of that chapter is Old Testament believer’s being illustrated as the wife of God suffering at the hands of their own wicked kings and the gentile nations; someday winning the nations by the gospel and through that inheriting the world. This is why Paul called the New Jerusalem the mother of all New Testament believers. OT saints in Ancient Israel gave birth to NT saints, both Jew and Gentile.

Here is how Isaiah 54:9 ties into the debate over the two extremes between those who teach the name Israel IS ONLY referring to the Jews and modern Israel and God's covenant with them. Verses those who say Israel is now the church and God's NT covenant. In both the OT and NT we see God is almost continuously angry with Ancient Israel for its sin. The reason for this is God chose both the saints and sinners out of one nation, Ancient Israel, to bring his word and the Messiah into the earth. It was his Normandy beach head for his long-planned invasion of planet earth to spread the influence of his invisible kingdom.

Once the mission God chose all of Ancient Israel for was complete. His focus became the expansion of that influence worldwide. First through Jewish believers that naturally added Gentile believers to that mix. This new mix of believers, illustrated in the Bible’s prophecy was given a new name- The New Jerusalem

Isaiah 62;1 For Zion’s sake I will not keep silent, for Jerusalem’s sake I will not remain quiet, till her vindication shines out like the dawn, her salvation like a blazing torch. 2 The nations will see your vindication, and all kings your glory; YOU WILL BE CALLED BY A NEW NAME that the mouth of the Lord will bestow.

That is why God would no longer be angry with his people. They are no longer a mix of ethnic Israeli's who had the faith of Abraham along with the ethnic Israeli's who refused that faith. Instead, his people, illustratively spoken of as God’s bride and the New Jerusalem consist of a mix of ethnic Israelis and gentiles who have embraced the faith of Abraham- in and of the Messiah.

Speaking to both extremes about this issue. This IS the Bible’s OT and NT doctrine on the matter. God will not smile upon anything else that is taught.

Does this mean ethnic Israelis, or Jews, who do not have or refuse the faith of Abraham are no longer God’s chosen people? That would depend on narrative you look at Bible's prophecy through. Which by the way is the main point of friction between the two extremes. One extreme says yes because there is end of the world prophecy in the Bible that revolves around a modern nation of Israel. One says no because only believers count as the children of Abraham by faith so the modern nation is an aberration not mentioned in scripture.

But what says the scripture? Well, according to many chapters of prophecy like Isaiah 54, 60, 61, 62, 65 Rev 20-22. Daniel 2 & 7 They say billions would come to Christ after the Roman Empire ends which happened in 1453 AD; and the natural result of that would be a world transforming for the better. We now know this was due to the general public, (illegally) beginning to gain access to their own Bibles to read themselves right when that empire ended. This is what the Bible means when it said the meek, or the saints, shall inherit the earth. It's why we went from the perpetual rule of kings and emperors to a growing free world of republics as it states in the passage below.

Isaiah 29:18-20 And in that day shall the deaf hear the words of the book, and the eyes of the blind shall see out of obscurity, and out of darkness. The meek also shall increase their joy in the LORD, and the poor among men shall rejoice in the Holy One of Israel. For the tyrannical oppressor is brought to nothing…….

Now we have the key to understanding why modern Israel exists. The process of meek inheriting the earth would providentially lead to the world having mercy on the Jewish people and bringing them back to the land promised to Abraham. NOT for some end of the world apocalypse. But rather as part of the process of the meek inheriting the earth. As stated in the prophecy below. The regions future is 10’s of millions of Jews, Arabs, Egyptians and Syrians finding the faith of Abraham in Jesus their savior. The natural result of theirs and the Bible’s influence will be the transformation of the region. It's how the prophecy below is being fulfilled. All the war, death and destruction is Satan’s doings through darkened hearts to try to stop this from happening. Over the long run, it is not going to work.

Isaiah 19: 23-25 In that day shall there be a highway out of Egypt to Assyria, and the Assyrian shall come into Egypt, and the Egyptian into Assyria, and the Egyptians shall serve with the Assyrians. In that day shall Israel be the third with Egypt and with Assyria, even a blessing in the midst of the land: whom the LORD of hosts shall bless, saying, Blessed be Egypt my people, and Assyria the work of my hands, and Israel mine inheritance.

Good news is it not? Peace on earth, good will towards men news.

God has no people who are not in Christ and, therefore, are not the seed of Abraham (Gal 3:29).

Michie · 2025-10-14T09:31:15-0500

Prayers everything goes as smoothly as possible and that God grants you peace and comfort.

bbbbbbb · 2025-10-14T09:22:46-0500

Sinners will certainly face judgment.

Michie · 2025-10-14T09:19:03-0500

After two years of war, Israel and Hamas agreed to a ceasefire in which the remaining living hostages the terror group abducted during its Oct. 7, 2023, surprise invasion of southern Israel were released on Monday.

Many celebrated what is believed to be the start of a more lasting peace in the region, with President Donald Trump addressing the Israeli Knesset in response to the agreement between Israel and Hamas, which has controlled the Gaza Strip for nearly two decades.

“Today, the skies are calm, the guns are silent, the sirens are still, and the sun rises on a holy land that is finally at peace, a land and a region that will live, God willing, in peace for all eternity,” Trump told the Knesset on Monday.

“The forces of chaos, terror, and ruin that have plagued the region for decades now stand weakened, isolated, and totally defeated. … Now it is time to translate these victories against terrorists on the battlefield into the ultimate prize of peace and prosperity for the entire Middle East.”

Continued below.

‘Day of unspeakable joy’: Evangelical leaders react to release of Israeli hostages by Hamas

Evangelical Christian leaders are celebrating the release of Israeli hostages held by Hamas, with one warning that Christians shouldn t be deceived into believing that peace will endure

www.christianpost.com

2PhiloVoid · 2025-10-14T09:01:35-0500

Michie said:
Turkey has been deporting hundreds of foreign Christians and blocking their return by labeling them national security threats, according to an international legal advocacy group.

ADF International Legal Officer Lidia Rieder told a gathering of the Organization for Security and Co-operation in Europe's Human Dimension Conference in Warsaw, Poland, on Monday that such designations are issued through internal security codes and have left local Protestant communities without leadership.

Since 2020, at least 200 foreign Christian workers and their families, totaling around 350 people, have been barred from the country under internal security codes N-82 and G-87, ADF International reports.

Continued below.

Turkey labels Christians ‘national security threat’ to deport them, rights group warns

Turkey has been deporting hundreds of foreign Christians and blocking their return by labeling them national security threats, according to an international legal advocacy group

www.christianpost.com

I can see why they're labeled as such. .......... 'cuz with the presence of Christians in their country, someone might turn their back on the teachings of Mohammed and instead turn to Jesus Christ, the Resurrected Son of God, as Lord and Savior............ and those Turks can't allow that kind of 'shirk.'

Benaiah468 · 2025-10-14T09:00:25-0500

Benaiah468 said:
In their latest post, they declared the death of Palestinian internet star Saleh al-Jafarawi, known as ‘Mr. FAFO’, a ‘martyrdom operation.’ He was killed in fighting between Hamas and the Doghmoush militia, two rival armed groups vying for control and money sources in Gaza.

For weeks, sources in Gaza have been reporting serious clashes between Hamas security forces and armed family groups.

He was the digital poster boy for a deadly ideology, now he lies dead in the streets of Gaza City.

The man who presented himself on social media as a ‘reporter of the resistance’ and blurred the lines between journalism, propaganda and self-promotion died by the same violence he had glorified for years.

Aljafarawi was not a neutral observer, but a digital fighter in the service of a terrorist organisation. His videos from the ruins of Gaza, in which he presented himself as a ‘survivor,’ were carefully composed stagings. Time and again, he suddenly reappeared after allegedly deadly attacks, from his hospital bed, his head bandaged, smiling at the camera. Millions watched his clips, believed his stories, shared his messages. For many Western viewers, he became a symbol of the ‘suffering in Gaza.’ For Hamas, he was a weapon in the information war.

Gaza is sinking into internal "Palestinian" violence, and the death of the Hamas influencer marks a new stage of decay.

Saleh Aljafarawi knew how to turn the war into a stage. He posed with children amid the ruins, wearing a ‘PRESS’ vest and the smile of someone who appeared to be fearless. His message was simple: we are the victims, Israel is the perpetrator. But this portrayal was as manipulative as it was transparent. Behind each of his appearances was the goal of morally discrediting Israel and obscuring Hamas' role as the perpetrator.

The fact that he himself has now been killed by Palestinians finally destroys the façade. It is the image of a system collapsing in on itself, an organisation that can offer neither protection nor loyalty, not even to its own propagandists.

For Israel and the international community, the death of ‘Mr FAFO’ remains a symbol: Hamas' violence has no direction, no moral framework and no goal other than self-preservation. The people who serve it are devoured by it. And while the organisation continues to paint a picture of ‘just resistance’, its tools and faces lie in the dust, shot, forgotten, exposed.

Shane R · 2025-10-14T08:55:04-0500

I'm prepping for a first: a PCUSA (Presbyterian Church) called me recently and discussed having me come to do some services for them. Their pastor rather suddenly quit several weeks ago after his adult son committed suicide. Then the local presbytery came in and didn't really have much support to offer the congregation. But their organist knew of me from one of the Lutheran churches I go to. So she told them something like, "There's this pastor guy who does services for a bunch of different churches and he's pretty good and he's local." I talked to one of their elders on the session and we agreed I will not do any communion services (1st Sunday of the month) but the average Sunday service is not really far off from Antecommunion.

I'm quite excited because this church actually has a whole bunch of kids. They told me the ASA is 25 adults and 17 kids. They are right near the district line so a few may go to school with my daughters but most go to the bigger city school district nearby. It's a curious phenomenon of a low income neighborhood where the parents drop the kids off for basically free childcare of a Sunday morning but don't come to church themselves. So much potential here.

rdclmn72 · 2025-10-14T08:43:50-0500

Our days start before 7am where we go for breakfast before making a 1 mile walk to Be Well.
We usually make the trip in less than 20 minutes and with the students we have a short devotional and sermon before the students begin their classes for the day.
We have had opportunities to share with several of the students and we find them to be inspiring in their search for truth, meaning and following their calling in serving in the Lord's work.
One of them left his plans on becoming a doctor to serve as God would have him do. Another is doing the same, and he helps by playing the guitar and singing during devotionals. I've been giving him guitar lessons and sharing things with him.
I feel inspired because it reminds me of my early days in the church so many years ago.

o_mlly · 2025-10-14T08:40:27-0500

johansen said:
In a repeat of her past experience, her lawsuit alleges, staff members told her they could not provide the care she sought due to the fetal heartbeat. She was able to access care at another hospital, her complaint says, but experienced sepsis and heavy blood loss in the process.

We don't know what care the Catholic hospital offered but she claims "they could not provide the care she sought due to the fetal heartbeat". If the care she sought was a direct abortion of her living child then of course the Catholic hospital guidelines forbid that act.

If the non-Catholic hospital preformed a direct abortion then blood loss is to be expected and perhaps subsequent sepsis as well.

rjs330 · 2025-10-14T08:37:35-0500

Larniavc said:
Even when those consequences abrogate Constitutional rights?

In this case they don’t.

RocksInMyHead · 2025-10-14T08:34:53-0500

rjs330 said:
Rebellion doesn't have to just be about overthrowing the entire government.

In a literal definition, sure. But in a legal sense, that's a necessary part - otherwise we'd be dropping the full force of the US military on every teenager.

rjs330 said:
I was clear about what I was talking about.

As was I. The core of what you said is that ICE can't do everything that it wants to do. That doesn't mean that they're prevented from enforcing the law though.

timf · 2025-10-14T08:32:25-0500

There are a variety of ways to study the bible such as word studies, topic studies, and book studies. However, there is a place for brief studies as well. A couple of verses can capture curiosity, be a reminder, or even lead to recalling related verses.

In all honesty, I might avoid Leviticus if I were only going to read a couple of verses for the day. However, even that could provide something to ponder.

bèlla · 2025-10-14T08:28:46-0500

ThisIsMe123 said:
Or women are too busy seeking validation via online means than in in-person meetings.

I always found that assumption peculiar. Why would I go somewhere in the hopes of meeting someone when I can accomplish the same at home? It doesn’t take long to make a profile and specify what you want and go from there. I didn’t use dating apps but the sites had the feature and an opportunity for discourse which I preferred. If I was interested I could look at their posts to get a better feel for their character before we conversed. But I don’t have the same in person and it takes longer to discover that.

It has nothing to do with validation. It’s easier to vet suitors and more convenient. Men feel otherwise because of selectiveness but that exists in person too. But that was before the gender wars.

~bella

wing2000 · 2025-10-14T08:19:29-0500

deporting people with no due process

rjs330 said:
Thats not happening.

Yes, it has happened. Abrego Garcia being the most prominent case. In case you are chosing to forget, the USSC ordered his return from El Salvador....there are many others.

- detaining citizens based on their appearance

rjs330 said:
Thats not happening either.

- It has happened....there are numerous accounts of U.S. Citizens being detained based on their appearance. Eventually, they were released. My wife should not have to carry her passport when ICE operations are active in our town. This is America. Or do you think citizens who look and sound a certain way should "have to show their papers" to avoid detention?

-snatching students off our streets by masked agents

rjs330 said:
Thats happening legally and it has been legal since the installment of immigration law.

Inernational students were arrested for expressing their opinions that were in oppostion to US policy in Israel. Yes, Marco Rubio may have the authority under the law, but such actions are contrary to one of our fundamental rights.

-calling the democratic party, and now No King's protesters, terrorists....

rjs330 said:
Thats free speech as much as calling Republicans Nazis and racists is. I actually don't recall the government calling the democratic party a terrorist organization. When did that happen?

"Domestic extremist organization": On August 25, 2025, Miller went on Fox News to declare, "The Democrat Party is not a political party. It is a domestic extremist organization".
"Vast domestic terror movement": After the September 2025 assassination of conservative activist Charlie Kirk, Miller described left-wing political groups as a "vast domestic terror movement". He said the Trump administration would use every resource to "identify, disrupt, dismantle and destroy these networks".
Chicago protests: In October 2025, Miller labeled protests against federal agents in Chicago as "domestic terrorism and seditious insurrection". He has accused Democrats of siding with "gangbangers," "predators," and "domestic terrorists".
Official actions: Following these statements, Miller was put in charge of coordinating a federal campaign to prosecute "domestic terrorist organizations".

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