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Are the Jews Israel, or is the church Israel? Or does it depend on the context of the passage?

I have already been through this a few times. You refuse to understand the historical context. The destruction of the temple and the ejection of the Jews from Jerusalem makes what Jesus said in Matt. 23:38 true. The cultural Jew pushing the law and killing the Christians that lived by faith not by the law finished then. Acts 21 is no longer possible.

When you say Acts 21 is no longer possible, are you answering yes to my clarifying question? I just want to understand where you are coming from.
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Chat Thread - Millennials Edition

So true, every older generation complains about the younger but also true that the younger generations today have been screwed up by tech that we're only now realizing the effects of what we did (social media, etc).

What generation are you from?

My music style has changed drastically. As a teen, I liked rock, Pop, and ska but now, I prefer modern classical, Christian rock, and even some Christian rap as long as it isn't mumble rap.
Indeed, I'm from 1970 in Europe - and grew up without television, telephone or internet. So brought up with Classical music mainly (and church organ music :) ) but then learned to appreciate any style of music. I like gripping melodies or irresistible rhythms, listen to English, Dutch, Hebrew and even Arabic (Christian songs) .. I studied/work in IT (developing AI applications now) - it's quite a contrast with my childhood.

Church-wise I've seen (Dutch) Reformed churches (Calvinism), Baptist churches, Brethern churches, Anglican churches, Evangelical/Pentecostal, Messianic felllowships, Roman Catholic churches, ethnic churches. Church boundaries don't matter to me anymore although I do have my preferences of course. Understanding what I believe and why churches believe what they teach, studying the Bible, its history and Church/theology history is one of my passions. Yet knowing God and His Son Yeshua from the heart is infinitely more important than knowing about God and all those dry facts. It's my journey in life.
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Hail storms

I suppose I should add the big concern is whether this is going to become an increasing occurrence with climate change.

Insurance premiums have been going up steadily over the last few years, and natural disasters have a lot to do with it.

This link shows what is called "disaster activations" in Queensland since 2010.


The hailstorm which hit us, and most severely a suburbs called Springfield Lakes, is shown under 2020.

Far North Queensland Low Pressure System, 15 - 26 April 2021
Southern Queensland Severe Weather, 20 – 31 March 2021
Tropical Cyclone Niran and Associated Low Pressure System, 25 February – 3 March 2021
Far North Queensland Tropical Low, 24 – 30 January 2021
Tropical Cyclone Imogen and Associated Low Pressure System, 2 – 12 January 2021
Western Queensland Thunderstorms 21-30 December 2020
South East Queensland Coastal Trough, 12-15 December 2020
Gumlow Bushfire, 21- 26 November 2020
K’gari (formerly Fraser Island) Bushfires, 9 November 2020 – 23 December 2020
South East Queensland Hailstorm, 31 October 2020
Kooralbyn Bushfire, 12 - 19 October 2020

The insurance bill from that alone was $980 million AUD.


Within 24 hours of 31 October, the Insurance Council of Australia declared the natural disaster a catastrophe with the damage bill currently at $980 million. Insurers have received more than 42,000 claims as at 23 June 2021.
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The bible isn't against LGBT

1 and 2 are pretty widely known, and will appear in many commentaries. Mostly. Not including things like connection of Lev 18:22 with pagan temples.

However most scholars that I've read, even affirming ones, would not agree with 3, and regard ansenokoitai as a conjecture, but a likely one. They would not agree with the post's concept of nature. While Paul doesn't give details, his near contemporary, Philo, is clear that same-gender sex is against nature, with nature being a kind of ambiguous term meaning partly God's intention and occurrence in nature. As part of the argument he cites the (incorrect) fact that animals don't do same-gender sex. While this isn't true, it clarifies his idea of nature as something more general than the specific individual. See 1 Cor 11:14 for another exampe of Paul's use of nature. Also dubious by our understanding, but still clearly a general concept and not an individual's specific nature.

Aside from people who I would call advocates (i.e. people who don't otherwise appear as scholars), pretty much everyone thinks Paul accepts the then-current Jewish condemnation of same-gender sex. That they also didn't accept the idea that some people were only attracted to same-gender sex is one possible explanation (Philo specifically denies that sexual orientation exists), as is the association with these ideas with stereotyped masculinity. But there's little question that Paul would have accepted the widespread rejection of same-gender sex, and would not have imagined exceptions.

I would cite Bill Loader's book "Sex: Then and Now." He's done work in Jewish attitudes towards sex. That book draws on his research but has a more popular tone.

Yes, I'm already aware of all of this from the scholar that I also have and read. Thank you, though.
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Christian documentarian banned from filming at historic site over 'religious affiliation'

I heard an atheist that said he became christian, not because of preaching,
but because believing in the devil, seeing so much twisted stuff make them think the devil was real, while of course thinking God should be real too.
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Struggling with scrupulosity.

Hello brothers and sisters. I have followed Christ for many years I have struggled with OCD since I was a young teen. At first it was having to say things a certain amount of times for it to feel right. That abated and it did not rear its ugly head it I was 35. Sitt at home with my wife, all of a sudden, I started having blasph thoughts about the Holy Spirit. It scared me to death. We didny know what was going on and didn’t go to the hospital For an evaluation. After about a yea, I agreed to go into an inpatient psychiatric hospital. at that point, they didn’t really know what was going on and treated me for simple anxiety. The medication helped and was able come off a lot of it after a while. At the beginning of this year it returned exce on steroids this time. I have never had these kinds of thoughts in my entire life. Along with it was an urge or an anger or hate towards God. I don’t understand any of this even though I have known about scrupulosity for a while now. I don’t want these thoughts and feelings but at times it feels as if I am an apostate or have committed the unpardonable sin. I feel lost, God doesn’t talk to me anymore. I can’t read the Bible without having the worst thought. I am on prozac an one other medication. It slows the thoughts do but it makes you not care about anything. I feel like someone has switched my brain with an unbeliever . I feel hopeless. It’s been 11 months and my faith is waning. The thoughts may have slowed but these urges are just not going away. I know John Bunyan had issues like this. I know that scrupulosity can flip your beliefs and make you question everything I am in counseling but they are having me try to do things that are scary. Only God knows about my soul but I want God to heal me and restore my soul. I believe in miracles as I have witnessed them before. I grew up in a very strict denomination which really was more about works than faith. Couple that with a an austere father I really hated as a teenager. I refuse to give up though. I covet your prayers.
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Trump terminates orders signed by Autopen during Biden administration

I don't know. I don't think anyone (incuding Biden) knows.

Besides that, who cares? Trump can just terminate any Biden executive order he likes and keep any he wants to keep, just like any president after Trump can do the same with Trump's EOs. That he just stresses the autopen part is nothing but a publicity stunt.
The post also references "anything else signed by autopen." I'm pretty sure this is going after the pardons.
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How Can Molecules Think?

The only thing that annoys me more than criticism of my opinions is failure to criticise my opinions. The former makes me temporarily annoyed, the latter leaves me permanently ignorant.
The thing that irritated me was the fact that the event really took place.

I was woken up by a shake in the middle of the back. It was a hot sticky night in January heat, and I wasn't sleeping comfortably.

I rolled over and started to wake up. As I did so something started to materialise near the door.

To my surprise it was my father, and he looked a bit surprised himself. As I think I indicated elsewhere I think he'd just been told to apologise and bingo! ... He found himself immediately in my room, despite having no idea where I lived.

For the record, I wrote down some of the exchange years ago, and I've put it below. It's not overly well written and one of these days I'll get around to tidying it up, and inserting some of the other things we said but which were not included.

PS - I changed one name and made it fictitious.

&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&

FATHER’S DEATH APPARITION

It had began, precisely, on the 11th January 1979. No, that wasn’t quite true – the background to the scene was set long before that.

But on that night, he had the experience of his father appearing to him in his room. Which was a bit strange – he hadn’t seen his father for six months, and that had been when he had been driving one-way along Ann Street in the city, going from the Valley towards George Street. He had been one of the hundreds of drivers in pre-peak hour traffic, warily watching the lights and other drivers, when suddenly he saw his father walking in the opposite direction on the foot path, on his right hand side. He had resisted the impulse to wave – he couldn’t stand the man. Not what one should think about one’s father, at least not in polite society. But how do you explain vindictive, relentless, stupid cruelty to polite society?

His father didn’t see him, or he was pretty sure he didn’t. And he had looked like death warmed up – his face drawn and pale, with a sort of shadow about it, and an almost demonic cast to the sullen, angry features.

Then he’d driven past and that had been the end of it. Apart from despising him.

The last time he’d seen his father before that was another six months, and that was when the old man had kicked him out of the family home, which was shortly to go under the hammer due to his parents’ divorce.

And that had been the symbolic end of his father’s role as dedicated family man.

True, there’d been a sort of impulse to go and visit him for a few days before his father’s death. He’d resisted it, but if he had to describe it the impulse, the only thing he could have said was that it was sort of “spiritual”, a feeling that just would not go away, quite insistent at times. But hatred and bitterness had won, and he had refused. But the feeling, the persistent impulse to visit – where had it come from?

So on the night of the 11th January 1979, his father visited him instead.

He remembered the setting well. It was January, hot in Brisbane, and with the feeling of persecution he occasionally experienced, he had shut and locked all the windows and doors, except for the bathroom window. He didn’t have much choice in one sense – there were no security screens or bars, and all of them opened onto the balcony or back landing. So if they had been open, anybody could have gotten in. And with his hearing loss, he was unlikely to hear somebody unless they made a lot of noise.

The old double bed had a sag in the middle of it. He had spoken to the landlord about it, but the landlord has simply pointed out the lease said “partly furnished”. By which he meant that if Bob wanted a better bed, he could buy it himself. So far he hadn’t, and as a result he always rolled into the middle.

And it really had been hot and humid. He had to get up at 4.30am, since he started work at 6am, and he had a long way to travel. He had tossed and turned, and finally drifted into a fitful sleep, lying face down, which was how he normally started dozing.

Then at some ungodly hour, he’d felt something shaking his back. He shrugged, and tried to go back to sleep. It happened again, almost as though somebody was trying to wake him up.

So he woke up and turned over. Odd – he must have imagined it, as there was nobody there.

Then something misty began to appear in the corner of the room, near the bedroom door. It seemed to sharpen, and his father appeared.

He watched in amazement as his father approached the foot of the bed.

“Hello, Robert” he said. Yet Bob had the sense his father was not really looking at him, but was mainly focused on something behind him, and above his head. His father did glance at him, but then looked up again, almost enthralled.

Bob was startled. “How the hell did you get in here!” he demanded.

The question remained unanswered. “I’ve come to apologize for the way I’ve treated you” his father said. “We had no idea of what you were going through”. He looked at Bob again, then over his head.

Bob was angry. “You mean you had no idea what you were doing to me!”, he replied bitterly.

At this his father appeared distraught, shook his head in fear, and held both hands over his face, as though he could not stand what he was seeing.

Then he seemed to recover, and he resumed looking above Bob’s head, as though gazing at something beautiful. Then at times he would again cover his face with his hands, and a tortured, frightened expression would come over his face.

His father looked devastated. “I’ve completely wrecked your life” he burst out. “I’ve destroyed your confidence!”

Then he added “I did it deliberately!”

Bob broke the silence. He had been thinking about the years of intense verbal cruelty his father had lavished upon him, and the intense frustration that had resulted.

“Why!!” he demanded.

The answer was almost immediate.

“I was jealous” was the reply. “I didn’t have the same opportunities that you did. It wasn’t easy for me either, you know. And I didn’t have the chance to see anything like this!”

“I know it wasn’t easy! Why do you think I was so patient! I knew that by the time I was twelve!”

His father looked deeply ashamed, and shocked, as though realizing for the first time just how much his son had understood, and from what an early age.

But his next reply came as a bit of a shock. “You weren’t very patient”.

Bob was taken aback. He’d thought he’d been very patient, considering just how vicious his father’s diatribes had been. He remembered the constant humiliation, the dripping sarcasm, the cruel comments that followed his every little mistake, or child’s effort to do something. Yet here was his father saying he hadn’t been patient.

Not patient? Compared to what? He’d like to know. He wondered how many other people would have put up with so much deliberate contempt for so long without cracking.

There was another moment of silence, as father and son reflected on their situations, the son facing his father and his father facing something that could not be seen.

Bob turned around to see what his father was gazing at with such an enraptured expression. But all he could see was the plasterboard, behind which he knew was the brick wall at the end of the building.

He turned back to his father. “What is all this, a dream or something?”

His father looked slightly bemused. “No, it’s not a dream. I died tonight.”

Bob shook his head. “What?”

His father replied again. “I died tonight.”

There was mutual silence.

Then his father raised his hands in front of his face again as though appalled. Whatever he was looking at seemed to relent, and the enthrallment was back again.

“I served the devil. You do too, but you’ll become a Christian.”

Bob stared at him. “I’m an atheist”.

His father looked bemused again. “You’ll become a Christian.”

Bob’s curiousity got the better of him. “So how’s all this supposed to start?”

His father glanced at him, briefly. “You’ll meet a pastor. You’ll think he’s great, but all he’ll do is discourage you even more!”

Now Bob was beginning to get annoyed.

“You know what really gets to me! Because of the way you’ve treated me, I’ve now treated Jennifer badly”. But he knew he wasn’t being fully honest – there were two particular instances of behaviour on his part that bothered him.

His father then somehow seemed to be hovering right over him, with the usual bad tempered look on his face, that had been so much a part of him for so long that he did not have a bad temper – he had become a bad temper.

“Don’t blame me for that!!” he almost seemed to shout. “That was your decision”.

His eyes were like black pits. Bob shrank back, a bit difficult since he was lying on his back in bed.

But Bob knew his father was right. But it also struck him how quickly his father was on the offensive as soon as he had a particle of ground to justify his stance, as though the twenty years of cruelty he had inflicted were of no consequence. The other bit was, how did his father know what the two instances were? He had never told him. Oh, he’d insinuated it was an option at one stage, but that was as far as it went.

Then his father disappeared, or seemed to. But as Bob recovered and sat up again, he could see him against the bookcase.

This time his father looked forlorn. “Son, you’ve got to forgive me!”

Bob rebelled. “You treated me like dirt for twenty years, and now you want forgiveness!”

“Son, it’s not for my sake. It’s for your sake. It’s too late for me. All I was expected to do was look after my family, and I didn’t even do that! If you don’t forgive me, you’ll destroy yourself!”

Then it seemed he was running out of time. “Son, you’ve got to keep away from Jennifer and her mother”.

Bob misheard him. He thought his father said “your mother”. He replied back, “How can I? They’re my responsibility!”

His father answered, in seeming anguish. “Oh, I meant …she’ll use you!”

It was a long time before Bob understood his father was talking about his girlfriend’s mother, and not his own mother.

Then his father seemed to become even more desperate. “Son, you’ve got to believe me!” And a look of complete dejection came over his father’s face.

Then he added “I’ve been an absolute mongrel to you!”

Bob was angry. “Why should I (forgive you)? You’ve spent the whole of my life …”

But he never finished. As he was talking, his father was turning to his right, Bob’s left, as though he could see something in the distance. He seemed to be taking fright, and said “No!”

Then louder “No! No!”

Then finally, he screamed in sheer terror, shook from head to foot and raised his arms in what appeared to be an attempt to ward something off, something hideously frightening. It was so terrifying, Bob started to scream hiimself.

Then his father disappeared into eternity.

Bob was left staring at the bookcase, in the darkness, alone.
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Suspect in DC Ambush of 2 National Guardsmen Is Afghan National Who Entered US During Biden Admin

I use terms like "I gather" and "the suspicion is" for a reason.

Someone with real expertise would have made those checks in ways that would not have been apparent to people with real expertise.


And then you tell us about someone without real expertise.
By 'anything to back that up', I mean an article or a statement from someone with particular knowledge or such. That is all. I think it would be helpful to have that to understand the situation.
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The Mamdani Model: More Socialist Mayors to ComeBeware! The DSA will attempt to repeat Mamdani’s success in other Democrat strongholds.

I am talking more about the powers that govern and set the agenda and order for society based on their ideology. Progressive/Socialism as opposed to Conservative/Christian.

Despite the numbers it is the party which gets in that dictates the social order. T
Political ideologies or parties don't set the "agenda for society" or "social order", no one really does. It evolves naturally. It is a free society (yours and mine.)
he US is suppose to be a strong Christian nation. Yet they are coming out of a period that ushered in ant Christian social policies.
The US is very much not supposed to be a "strong Christian nation". It isn't a Christian nation and never has been. The US is a secular nation and religion is not in charge of the government.
So Christians cannot do anything of they are not supported by a government that is open to their beliefs.
The US government doesn't regulate beliefs.
Otherwise they like the pagan Romans will be subject to whatever ideology the holder of power determines.

I think primarily for all western nations we are seeing a divide and conflict between Left and Right. Conservatives and by extention Christians verses Progressives, liberals and socialists. A strange mix.
How is that strange? Most countries have oscillated between "left and right" since those positions became coherent. Many countries do that without even being democratic.
The divide will increase and it will be Christians and of course Jews as always who it will come down to as the enermy of the State power and the worldly ideology it will push.
This has no resemblance to reality. It is (certain) Christians that aim and profess to use state power on their enemies (or at least all of us apostates, blaspheremers, non-believers, etc.).
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Why we are not supposed to keep the Sabbath

In context:

Mark 2:27-28 And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath: Therefore the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath.
The very reason Jesus calls Himself Lord of the Sabbath is because the Sabbath was made for man (therefore). Pointing directly to creation and the Sabbath sanctified. Sunday resurrection taking the place of the Sabbath is nowhere to be found anywhere in scripture.
No. The main reason why Jesus is Lord of the sabbath is because He is Lord if everything else. Notice the word “also” used in your translation. The Greek word Kai could be cumulative and translate as also or even. The context here begins in verse 23. Jesus was accused of picking heads of grain from the fields by the Pharisees. Jesus in turn tells the the story if David eating the consecrated bread reserved for the priests because he was hungry. Both Jesus and His disciples had the same practical need that David had, they were hungry. Doing good during the sabbath was good not bad as the Pharisees made it to be.

“And it happened that He was passing through the grainfields on the Sabbath, and His disciples began to make their way along while picking the heads of grain. The Pharisees were saying to Him, “Look, why are they doing what is not lawful on the Sabbath?” And He *said to them, “Have you never read what David did when he was in need and he and his companions became hungry; how he entered the house of God in the time of Abiathar the high priest, and ate the consecrated bread, which is not lawful for anyone to eat except the priests, and he also gave it to those who were with him?” Jesus said to them, “The Sabbath was made for man, and not man for the Sabbath. So the Son of Man is Lord, even of the Sabbath.””
‭‭Mark‬ ‭2‬:‭23‬-‭28‬ ‭NASB2020‬‬

The same thing happened when Jesus healed the man with the withered hand during the sabbath (Mark 3:1-6). The sabbath was supposed to remove burden from the Israelites but instead became a burden because of their traditions. The Pharisees began to plot with the Herodians to get rid of Jesus after this.

So Jesus then took over the sabbath. Jesus us the alpha and the omega so Jesus started the sabbath and He took it back. The sabbath was made for man but man perverted the sabbath. Jesus is now Lord of the sabbath, along with everything else, because Jesus did all of the work necessary for our salvation.

Jesus fulfilled the law and the prophets (Matt. 5:17) and the culmination of the law (Rom. 10:4). We rest, spiritually, in Him. He has secured our eternal blessing.
"The early church knew," and took it upon itself to change the law of God (prophesied by Daniel 7:25) and make it of none effect (Matthew 15:1-9).
Nope. The early church did not change the day, Jesus did. The early church knew that the law did not apply to the church and that Jesus was the sabbath rest.
Jesus settles the issue concerning Sunday, which is a commandment of man not a commandment of God.

Matthew 15:9 But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
Nothing here about the sabbath. Think about what follows the verses you posted. Those that preach the law are blind guides of blind people.

“But He answered and said, “Every plant which My heavenly Father did not plant will be uprooted. Leave them alone; they are blind guides of blind people. And if a person who is blind guides another who is blind, both will fall into a pit.””
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭15‬:‭13‬-‭14‬ ‭NASB2020‬‬
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A horrifying event, but why is the attorney bringing up alcohol?

You wrote "murders", plural. There are no murders in the linked MSN article and you mention, with no reference by which to confirm its authenticity a case which you only imply resulted in the woman's death. So I'm left puzzled as to what you mean by "these" and quite unconvinced (since you have provided no evidence) that there is a trend.

As to why a defendant, or a defendant's lawyer would mention drinking, this can in some jurisdictions and for some crimes be considered a mitigating factor.
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What's on your mind? Friendship Court edition.

There's an account on Gab that I like to view. I wonder if he has other social media accounts? Because I'd like to ditch Gab all together. Since the owner stopped allowing people to use VPNs on his site back in April (but Pro Membership people can use VPNs), the place has taken a major nose dive. I don't even enjoy looking at groups and accounts that I did enjoy at one point!
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There’s a Giant Flaw in Human History

I think that is the point, the same point that Steve was trying to make about vases--that they did have this knowledge, not in the way we usually get knowledge of that kind, by observation and experiment, but in some other way not accessible to "materialist science." What he calls, I think, transcendent knowledge or indigenous knowledge or something like that.
I hope not. He was literally using scientific terms, to revert to non-scientific nonsense would be disappointing. I'll give the benefit of the doubt.
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