Hell doesn't exist and there is no eternal suffering, instead bad peolle just cease to exist
- By JulieB67
- Controversial Christian Theology
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Yes, he can certainly do "both"Didn't God say "I kill and I make ALIVE?"
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Yes, he can certainly do "both"Didn't God say "I kill and I make ALIVE?"
For clarity , this how I am defining Inaugurated eschatology:Hello!
I'm undecided about eschatology but doing some research on it. I think good points are made for both amillennialism and premillennialism. The only view I currently hold to with is inaugurated eschatology (or "already and not yet") where most prophecy has double fulfillment. It's normally associated with George Eldon Ladd, who was a premillennialist, but I don't see why one can't be amillennial and also agree with inaugurated eschatology.
I'm wondering if one can hold to a non-literalistic premillennialism?
Like, I don't think the events in Revelation are strictly chronological and probably could be oit of order or just the same events from different angles.
I also don't know if I believe the 1,000 years mentioned in the book to be be a literal millennium.
Could one believe in a Millennial State after the Second Coming, but not think the Millennial Kingdom will be a literal 1,000 years?
Wut? That you responded to was sarcasm. It's neither the best nor the worst, it just is. Do you actually understand? Your comments contradict that notion.yeah, if that is the best you have - then that is the best you have. Understood
You should have been here when this thread was actually taking place in June. I'm afraid I've lost my train of thought regarding it since then.Noted... and it looks like a decent amount of area that they walk through in the video. It is startling.
But the point I would make is this: This is just another shining example of partisan finger pointing. The sudden drop in U.S. tourism coincided with Trump's return to the presidency, and his policies and attitudes toward outsiders. Although anecdotal, the sentiment among those who would have traveled here is that Trump the reason why they stopped coming. Instead of owning that, you choose to dig up a video of an inner city within the U.S., and imply that is the reason why... when in reality, the evidence points to the policies of the president.
Our politicians need to start owning the problems that they cause. That is the only way we improve and become better. When you engage in the endless finger pointing, you are nothing more than an enabler to their dysfunction.
The graph below shows the YOY change of non-U.S. airline passengers and U.S. airline passengers at major U.S. airports. The reason for the major drop near the end of the graph should be quite obvious, and undeniable as to why it happened.
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The sin nature is certainly not clean. And when God gave birth to our spirit, He created something new that did not exist before -- a new man (a spirit man) that is "created according to God, in true righteousness and holiness" (Eph 4:24). The victory over sin that Christ won on the cross and through His resurrection from the dead is 1) that our sins are forgiven (death, burial), and 2) that we have new life in Christ (resurrection). The body is dead (right now) because of sin, but the spirit is life (right now) because of righteousness (Rom 8:18).Our sin nature and human spirit was cleansed by the blood of Jesus when we were born again, it is the flesh and it's habits that The Holy Spirit is dealing with. We are no longer dominated by sin in our lives because of the blood of Jesus.
The Holy Spirit is to constantly have victory over the flesh, so I would disagree about the flesh not being reformed. We are not living in a war where no side has victory.
There is no stalemate.How are we to move on to "perfection" (a word used by the writer of Hebrews) if the constant struggle of the flesh and The Holy Spirit is a stalemate?
Can you define "constantly struggling with sin year after year after year" in concrete terms without making the objective sinless perfection? Would one sin committed every day count? Or one sin every week? Or one sin every month? Or 1 sin every year? Or maybe a person does not struggle with sin year after year if there is more than 1 year between every sin? How do you draw the line if it is not a complete cessation from sin?It's just a question that I posed on here.
I find it funny that the website would codify a rule against victory over sin. If people's lives on here amount to nothing more than a constant struggle with sin year after year after year, then people on here don't have The Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit is not winning the war for them because He is not there in the battle.
No you don't hope too much. For God nothing is impossible and I believe He does not allow for His church to go for too long without a correction.
It will come and I think its beginning now.
Many believe that Adam was made perfect but in fact he was made "very good" in the eyes of God, not perfect. God also made Adam with " free will" to choose that was also passed on to Eve. So it is no mystery that they both " chose" to indulge on fruit that the deceiver promised would give them great power to be like God. The fall was their choice where God's sovereignty included His desire to test His creation once in place. The agape love He seeks from His creation started here.My how the errors in choices creep in.
Adam received “the command” from God, the quite entirely infamous “do not eat OR ELSE” command that we apparently all fell under.
Eve was not yet separated and formed from Adam. But Eve apparently had heard the command. How so?
Gen. 3:
2 And the woman said unto the serpent, We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden:
3 But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die.
So we have 3 basic possibilities where this repeating of the command from God came from. We have no record of God repeating it to Eve. She may have had an inert or inner understanding of the command, being “within” Adam at the time, (God called them BOTH Adam on the day they were created-Gen. 5) OR the most likely source, Adam himself.
In any case Eve clearly got the command wrong, adding to it the statement that they may not “touch it.” God never said that. In fact they were meant to tend to the Garden and presumably every tree therein, inclusive of the infamous tree of knowledge of good/evil. An error was already in place and an unknown violation of God's Intentions for them, again most likely from the recount of Adam of that command, which would essentially prove his own fault in listening or retelling or tending the Garden. Or Eve made up the error herself, again showing error was in her own mind. In any case the command was mangled in her own mind and statements in stating the command to the serpent. She basically erred to the serpent and of course the serpent struck from there, getting her to consider making a “MORAL CHOICE.” Perhaps not even cognizant of the fact that she already erred.
So Eve starts her decision making with a built in fault. An error in recounting the exact command, to not “touch” the tree.
And here is where her decision making starts, all quite in line with making a good moral decision for herself:
Gen. 3:
6 And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat.
A classic setup for making a moral choice.
Good/Pleasant/Wise. What could possibly go wrong?
What’s wrong with the picture is that we fail to see that lawlessness was already at work within both Adam, who never even bothered to correct Eve’s misstatement of the command, and Eve, showing that LUST, LUST and PRIDE was already within her, referring to this pattern stated by John in:
1 John 2:16
For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.
Basically the things of the Father were NOT in Eve, but things of the world: good for food, pleasant to the eyes, the pride of being wise. All seemingly legitimate on the surface using the world’s decision making moral choice methods.
I honestly would hardly find fault in the decision making process, that we all employ daily. In many ways this decision making course is required to even survive. We have to eat. We like to eat things that please our eyes and we certainly are not rewarded for making foolish decisions.
But you see none of these observations are even accurate. What is accurate is that the package of Adam and Eve came PREPACKAGED with FAULTS.
Paul outlined this clearly in 1 Cor. 15:42-46 showing us exactly the conditions that
Adam and “all” natural people are planted in. These 3 things also correlate to Eve’s built in flaws:
Planted in corruption
Planted in dishonor
Planted in weakness
Is there supposed to be some surprise if outcome of making decisions with those pre-existing conditions is not and can never be moral? We make every decision from those planted conditions. Basically being seeded in dung, within the darkness of earth, our own dust body.
And lets not ignore what really happened to both Adam and Eve. Where the Word is sown, Satan comes immediately in our hearts to STEAL, to SIN in our own hearts via THEFT.
Obviously both Adam and Eve were stolen from within.
I believe the tempter was already at work within them both from the moment they first heard the Words of God. Yet hardly a one of us can see it, because we too have been stolen from.
And in this state we can’t even be honest with ourselves about it.
Instead we’ll claim that we justify ourselves by making good moral decisions, even with the hard line fact of EVIL CHOICES WITHIN TO CHOOSE FROM.
Remember these Words from Jesus: EVIL COMES FROM WITHIN.
It’s not optional, so let’s not try to pull Jesus’ Leg about it claiming we’re legally obedient and making good moral cnoices. Evil thoughts defile us all, period.
Mark 7:21-23
You have to love an HONEST BOOK. And of course not everything is as it appears on the surface, or in the mirror
No I didn't. Look it up.You said Venezuela was communist. They aren’t. But I’m not going to strain gnats with you.![]()
But they live forever and that immortality is not eternal? Uh, probably not the case, as stated prior. Immortality IS ETERNAL.Immortality is not eternal life.
God gave people His Spirit. That is what returns to God, as previously cited in Eccl. 12:7 for example. Or as stated by Jesus in Matt. 23:9, Psalm 82:6, or noted by Paul in Acts 17:28-29God creates the human spirit in immortality.
Jesus didn't come to save devils if you are trying to claim people are devils.The human spirits of the damned are immortal.
Yeah, that's why your positional claim is pretty well nonsense.Yes, immortality (without ending) of the human spirit comes from God
I agree. The Seed of Abraham, according to Paul in Galatians 3, is singularly Jesus Christ of Nazareth. Believers in Christ, both Jews and Gentiles, become part of His spiritual seed and heirs of His promise, moving the focus from the physical nation to a spiritual inheritance through faith.Jesus said: I know you are descended from Abraham....If you really were Abrahams children, you would act as Abraham did. John 8:37-40
Paul said: .....it is those with faith who share the Blessings with Abraham. Galatians 3:6-9 and - If you belong to Christ, then you are a child of Abraham
All the natural branches were cut off the Olive Tree of Jesus and only a few became Christians and got grafted back, then and still today. That remnant will join with their brethren, as a small minority of Gods peoples. The rest of the apostate Jews, are just the same as every other ungodly people and will share their fate. Isaiah 6:11-13, Luke 19:27
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