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JulieB67 · 2025-11-16T08:32:48-0600

BelieveItOarKnot said:
Didn't God say "I kill and I make ALIVE?"

Yes, he can certainly do "both"

bbbbbbb · 2025-11-16T08:31:52-0600

hunting season

Michie · 2025-11-16T08:30:36-0600

Hail Mary,
Full of Grace,
The Lord is with thee.
Blessed art thou among women,
and blessed is the fruit
of thy womb, Jesus.
Holy Mary,
Mother of God,
pray for us sinners now,
and at the hour of our death.
Amen

bbbbbbb · 2025-11-16T08:30:35-0600

Cute Chinese children constantly charm.

Maria Billingsley · 2025-11-16T08:30:15-0600

9Rock9 said:
Hello!

I'm undecided about eschatology but doing some research on it. I think good points are made for both amillennialism and premillennialism. The only view I currently hold to with is inaugurated eschatology (or "already and not yet") where most prophecy has double fulfillment. It's normally associated with George Eldon Ladd, who was a premillennialist, but I don't see why one can't be amillennial and also agree with inaugurated eschatology.

I'm wondering if one can hold to a non-literalistic premillennialism?

Like, I don't think the events in Revelation are strictly chronological and probably could be oit of order or just the same events from different angles.

I also don't know if I believe the 1,000 years mentioned in the book to be be a literal millennium.

Could one believe in a Millennial State after the Second Coming, but not think the Millennial Kingdom will be a literal 1,000 years?

For clarity , this how I am defining Inaugurated eschatology:

A theological perspective that the end times began with the life, death, and resurrection of Jesus Christ, meaning the Kingdom of God is "already" present through His Flock but "not yet" fully realized. This "already/not yet" means believers currently experience the blessings and power of God' through salvation and the infilling of His Holy Spirit. The complete fulfillment, like the resurrection of all the dead and final judgment awaits after Christ's second coming.

Indeed this theology is deeply embedded in the New Testament and is considered to be the core biblical framework for understanding the Kingdom of God. The central tension arises from what transpires in the theological concept of the 'already,' leading to a dramatic parting of various theological perspectives.

My view as a Partial Preterist would define this period as symbolic for the 1000 year time frame mentioned in Revelation. This is not a millennium but rather takes its definition from the verse 2 Peter 3:8 "But, beloved, do not forget this one thing, that with the Lord one day is as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day."

In reference to your question:

Could one believe in a Millennial State after the Second Coming, but not think the Millennial Kingdom will be a literal 1,000 years?

It would be impossible. The fundamental conflict is that Dispensational Premillennialism demands a literal 1,000-year reign because its entire system is based on a strict, literal interpretation of prophecy. Accepting the 1,000 years as merely symbolic would violate this primary rule, undermining the unique basis of their view and putting their entire framework in a quagmire.
Blessings

Michie · 2025-11-16T08:29:25-0600

Sixteen hundred years ago, St. Augustine was credited with saying, “He who sings, prays twice.” Today, scientific research shows that he who sings, performs, or listens to music also enriches and strengthens his brain, according to Catholic neuroscientist Kathlyn Gan.

Not only that, but sacred music may produce even more beneficial effects.

Gan, who leads a research laboratory at the University of Toronto, delivered the uplifting news to about 50 people at an Oct. 30 talk at St. Francis de Sales in Burnaby, Ontario.

In her hourlong presentation “The Neuroscience of Sacred Music,” Gan, a former choir director and accompanist, described how research showing that music can be part of a healthy lifestyle that helps counter the mental decline that accompanies aging.

Music can also help prevent the onset of Alzheimer’s disease, which, in up to 95% of cases, can be driven by nongenetic factors, including obesity, high blood pressure, smoking, deafness, brain injury, and social isolation.

Not only does music stimulate the brain in special ways, but it also fosters healthy social connections when performed in a group setting, said Gan, currently a liturgical musician in the Archdiocese of Toronto.

Continued below.

Sacred music is good for the brain as well as the soul, neuroscientist says

Scientific research shows that he who sings, performs, or listens to music also enriches and strengthens his brain, according to Catholic neuroscientist Kathlyn Gan.

www.catholicnewsagency.com

DaisyDay · 2025-11-16T08:26:53-0600

Always in His Presence said:
yeah, if that is the best you have - then that is the best you have. Understood

Wut? That you responded to was sarcasm. It's neither the best nor the worst, it just is. Do you actually understand? Your comments contradict that notion.

Michie · 2025-11-16T08:22:39-0600

Evangelicals offer praise for Armenia PM after he recites Bible at prayer breakfast amid church tensions

Prime Minister Nikol Pashinyan, under criticism from rights groups over his government s treatment of senior clergy from Armenia s national church, received strong praise from American and British

www.christianpost.com

stevevw · 2025-11-16T08:19:51-0600

I know in the old days it was because of smoking lol.

It was even mentioned in songs

I've got the obligatory Hendrix perm
And the inevitable pinhole burns
All down the front of my favourite satin shirt

Servus · 2025-11-16T08:06:03-0600

MarkSB said:
Noted... and it looks like a decent amount of area that they walk through in the video. It is startling.

But the point I would make is this: This is just another shining example of partisan finger pointing. The sudden drop in U.S. tourism coincided with Trump's return to the presidency, and his policies and attitudes toward outsiders. Although anecdotal, the sentiment among those who would have traveled here is that Trump the reason why they stopped coming. Instead of owning that, you choose to dig up a video of an inner city within the U.S., and imply that is the reason why... when in reality, the evidence points to the policies of the president.

Our politicians need to start owning the problems that they cause. That is the only way we improve and become better. When you engage in the endless finger pointing, you are nothing more than an enabler to their dysfunction.

The graph below shows the YOY change of non-U.S. airline passengers and U.S. airline passengers at major U.S. airports. The reason for the major drop near the end of the graph should be quite obvious, and undeniable as to why it happened.

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https://www.ustravel.org/sites/default/files/2025-04/UST_MonthlyResearchInsights_GeoffEmail_Graphs_V2%201%20%281%29.png?123456789

You should have been here when this thread was actually taking place in June. I'm afraid I've lost my train of thought regarding it since then.

NewLifeInChristJesus · 2025-11-16T08:03:46-0600

ARBITER01 said:
Our sin nature and human spirit was cleansed by the blood of Jesus when we were born again, it is the flesh and it's habits that The Holy Spirit is dealing with. We are no longer dominated by sin in our lives because of the blood of Jesus.

The Holy Spirit is to constantly have victory over the flesh, so I would disagree about the flesh not being reformed. We are not living in a war where no side has victory.

The sin nature is certainly not clean. And when God gave birth to our spirit, He created something new that did not exist before -- a new man (a spirit man) that is "created according to God, in true righteousness and holiness" (Eph 4:24). The victory over sin that Christ won on the cross and through His resurrection from the dead is 1) that our sins are forgiven (death, burial), and 2) that we have new life in Christ (resurrection). The body is dead (right now) because of sin, but the spirit is life (right now) because of righteousness (Rom 8:18).

ARBITER01 said:
How are we to move on to "perfection" (a word used by the writer of Hebrews) if the constant struggle of the flesh and The Holy Spirit is a stalemate?

There is no stalemate.

ARBITER01 said:
It's just a question that I posed on here.

I find it funny that the website would codify a rule against victory over sin. If people's lives on here amount to nothing more than a constant struggle with sin year after year after year, then people on here don't have The Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit is not winning the war for them because He is not there in the battle.

Can you define "constantly struggling with sin year after year after year" in concrete terms without making the objective sinless perfection? Would one sin committed every day count? Or one sin every week? Or one sin every month? Or 1 sin every year? Or maybe a person does not struggle with sin year after year if there is more than 1 year between every sin? How do you draw the line if it is not a complete cessation from sin?

PloverWing · 2025-11-16T08:03:22-0600

stevevw said:
No you don't hope too much. For God nothing is impossible and I believe He does not allow for His church to go for too long without a correction.

It will come and I think its beginning now.

Do you mean that you see a movement toward unity in the church now? Or that you see God correcting the church now? Can you elaborate?

Maria Billingsley · 2025-11-16T07:52:49-0600

BelieveItOarKnot said:
My how the errors in choices creep in.

Adam received “the command” from God, the quite entirely infamous “do not eat OR ELSE” command that we apparently all fell under.

Eve was not yet separated and formed from Adam. But Eve apparently had heard the command. How so?

Gen. 3:
2 And the woman said unto the serpent, We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden:
3 But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die.

So we have 3 basic possibilities where this repeating of the command from God came from. We have no record of God repeating it to Eve. She may have had an inert or inner understanding of the command, being “within” Adam at the time, (God called them BOTH Adam on the day they were created-Gen. 5) OR the most likely source, Adam himself.

In any case Eve clearly got the command wrong, adding to it the statement that they may not “touch it.” God never said that. In fact they were meant to tend to the Garden and presumably every tree therein, inclusive of the infamous tree of knowledge of good/evil. An error was already in place and an unknown violation of God's Intentions for them, again most likely from the recount of Adam of that command, which would essentially prove his own fault in listening or retelling or tending the Garden. Or Eve made up the error herself, again showing error was in her own mind. In any case the command was mangled in her own mind and statements in stating the command to the serpent. She basically erred to the serpent and of course the serpent struck from there, getting her to consider making a “MORAL CHOICE.” Perhaps not even cognizant of the fact that she already erred.

So Eve starts her decision making with a built in fault. An error in recounting the exact command, to not “touch” the tree.

And here is where her decision making starts, all quite in line with making a good moral decision for herself:

Gen. 3:
6 And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat.

A classic setup for making a moral choice.

Good/Pleasant/Wise. What could possibly go wrong?

What’s wrong with the picture is that we fail to see that lawlessness was already at work within both Adam, who never even bothered to correct Eve’s misstatement of the command, and Eve, showing that LUST, LUST and PRIDE was already within her, referring to this pattern stated by John in:

1 John 2:16
For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.

Basically the things of the Father were NOT in Eve, but things of the world: good for food, pleasant to the eyes, the pride of being wise. All seemingly legitimate on the surface using the world’s decision making moral choice methods.

I honestly would hardly find fault in the decision making process, that we all employ daily. In many ways this decision making course is required to even survive. We have to eat. We like to eat things that please our eyes and we certainly are not rewarded for making foolish decisions.

But you see none of these observations are even accurate. What is accurate is that the package of Adam and Eve came PREPACKAGED with FAULTS.

Paul outlined this clearly in 1 Cor. 15:42-46 showing us exactly the conditions that
Adam and “all” natural people are planted in. These 3 things also correlate to Eve’s built in flaws:

Planted in corruption
Planted in dishonor
Planted in weakness

Is there supposed to be some surprise if outcome of making decisions with those pre-existing conditions is not and can never be moral? We make every decision from those planted conditions. Basically being seeded in dung, within the darkness of earth, our own dust body.

And lets not ignore what really happened to both Adam and Eve. Where the Word is sown, Satan comes immediately in our hearts to STEAL, to SIN in our own hearts via THEFT.

Obviously both Adam and Eve were stolen from within.

I believe the tempter was already at work within them both from the moment they first heard the Words of God. Yet hardly a one of us can see it, because we too have been stolen from.

And in this state we can’t even be honest with ourselves about it.

Instead we’ll claim that we justify ourselves by making good moral decisions, even with the hard line fact of EVIL CHOICES WITHIN TO CHOOSE FROM.

Remember these Words from Jesus: EVIL COMES FROM WITHIN.

It’s not optional, so let’s not try to pull Jesus’ Leg about it claiming we’re legally obedient and making good moral cnoices. Evil thoughts defile us all, period.

Mark 7:21-23

You have to love an HONEST BOOK. And of course not everything is as it appears on the surface, or in the mirror

Many believe that Adam was made perfect but in fact he was made "very good" in the eyes of God, not perfect. God also made Adam with " free will" to choose that was also passed on to Eve. So it is no mystery that they both " chose" to indulge on fruit that the deceiver promised would give them great power to be like God. The fall was their choice where God's sovereignty included His desire to test His creation once in place. The agape love He seeks from His creation started here.
Blessings

RamiC · 2025-11-16T07:52:26-0600

It is like this - The Global Trend of Sending e-Greeting Cards and Messages - Root-Nation.com - people do not see the problem with these things changing.

However, you could just send the ones you have to people. Personally I do not think that just pressing a button on a mobile phone, or telling all facebook friends in one go is the same. The combination of trends does not make much sense to me, beauty product advent calenders are doing roaring business, but people do not want to do Christmas Cards because of the environment...I wonder what the carbon footprint difference is between a few easily recycled paper cards and a mountain of unnecessary card, plastic, and mini-beauty treats?

stevevw · 2025-11-16T07:32:59-0600

I am really liking Roger Waters latest stuff. He even sounds good live and still has that Waters voice we know so well in Pink Floyd. He has a way of still capturing the Floyd sound even replacing Gilmor with a similar younger voice making his parts great and almost as though they are still young.

But with a modern twist. Here is Roger at 82 years old still going after 60 years in the business. This is from his latest album released earlier this year live in Budapest.

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Yarddog · 2025-11-16T07:29:34-0600

Michie said:
You said Venezuela was communist. They aren’t. But I’m not going to strain gnats with you.

No I didn't. Look it up.
I said Venezuela is a dictatorship. Post #6

BelieveItOarKnot · 2025-11-16T07:29:06-0600

Clare73 said:
Immortality is not eternal life.

But they live forever and that immortality is not eternal? Uh, probably not the case, as stated prior. Immortality IS ETERNAL.

I appreciate your attempt to dig the position out of the hole but it's not working

Clare73 said:
God creates the human spirit in immortality.

God gave people His Spirit. That is what returns to God, as previously cited in Eccl. 12:7 for example. Or as stated by Jesus in Matt. 23:9, Psalm 82:6, or noted by Paul in Acts 17:28-29

It is generally accepted within orthodoxy that all people are in fact God's children, and I accept the position as well.

So should you. Then you might not be so quick to burn our neighbors alive forever.

Clare73 said:
The human spirits of the damned are immortal.

Jesus didn't come to save devils if you are trying to claim people are devils.

You and I are no better and no different than any other given sinner. Romans 3:9, 1 Tim. 1:15

Clare73 said:
Yes, immortality (without ending) of the human spirit comes from God

Yeah, that's why your positional claim is pretty well nonsense.

timf · 2025-11-16T07:27:05-0600

I used to lead a small group in a church and if there were five or fewer men, there would be an openness and heart sharing that impressed me as what Christianity was supposed to be like. If there were six or more, it became like a classroom and everyone ceased to share.

Maria Billingsley · 2025-11-16T07:24:20-0600

keras said:
Jesus said: I know you are descended from Abraham....If you really were Abrahams children, you would act as Abraham did. John 8:37-40
Paul said: .....it is those with faith who share the Blessings with Abraham. Galatians 3:6-9 and - If you belong to Christ, then you are a child of Abraham

All the natural branches were cut off the Olive Tree of Jesus and only a few became Christians and got grafted back, then and still today. That remnant will join with their brethren, as a small minority of Gods peoples. The rest of the apostate Jews, are just the same as every other ungodly people and will share their fate. Isaiah 6:11-13, Luke 19:27

I agree. The Seed of Abraham, according to Paul in Galatians 3, is singularly Jesus Christ of Nazareth. Believers in Christ, both Jews and Gentiles, become part of His spiritual seed and heirs of His promise, moving the focus from the physical nation to a spiritual inheritance through faith.
Thanks for sharing!

timf · 2025-11-16T07:21:50-0600

If your gambling losses accumulate at a rate of other entertainment such as what you would pay to see a two hour movie, it would seem to be under control. However, for a Christian one has to also consider how being seen to gamble might be harmful for a "weaker brother".

To work in the gambling industry would incur some of the guilt for exploiting the weak as well.

DaisyDay · 2025-11-16T07:19:33-0600

ThatRobGuy said:
Just how much does CNN pay for a 15 minute appearance for a congressmen on a panel discussion? lol

Generally, $0.00 for simply appearing as that is considered a part of their public service.

reddogs · 2025-11-16T07:19:10-0600

Here are biblical signs of the End Days

We see that God at the end days will finally "destroy them that destroy the earth"
Revelation 11:18
And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.

That the end days will be as Christ said, "As it was in the days of Noah, so shall it be before the coming of the Son of Man"
Matthew 24:37 But as the days of Noah were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
And we see what it was like in those days, Genesis 6:5 "And God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually."

Changes in the Heavens, and Floods and Storms causing distress of nations. Jesus says, "And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring; men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things that are coming upon the earth"
Luke 21:25-26
25 And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring;
26 Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken.

False Teachers and doctrines where the majority turn away from Gods truth. Paul predicted "the time will come" when the majority "shall turn their ears away from the truth and shall turn to fables"
2 Timothy 4:3-4
3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.

Christ said the Gospel will reach all the world, and we can see it getting there with the world wide web.
Matthew 24:14
And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.

This is pretty close to what we are seeing in the world today, lets hope we are close to finishing the 'preached in all the world'..

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