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The Thing Most Sabbath Keepers Do not Talk About.

It seems that the legalists are going out of their way put the Christian back on the bondage of the law. I follow Him just fine by walking in the Spirit not by keeping a day. We are not slaves.

“All who are under the yoke as slaves are to regard their own masters as worthy of all honor so that the name of God and our doctrine will not be spoken against. Those who have believers as their masters must not be disrespectful to them because they are brothers or sisters, but must serve them all the more, because those who partake of the benefit are believers and beloved. Teach and preach these principles. If anyone advocates a different doctrine and does not agree with sound words, those of our Lord Jesus Christ, and with the doctrine conforming to godliness,”
‭‭1 Timothy‬ ‭6‬:‭1‬-‭3‬ ‭NASB2020‬‬
1Tim 6:1,2 has nothing to do with your statement,
"I follow Him just fine by walking in the Spirit not by keeping a day. We are not slaves."

Nothing at all.
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Trump suggests he’ll release Jeffrey Epstein ‘client list’ if elected: ‘I’d have no problem with it’

Elvis dated Priscilla Presley when she was 14, but nobody wants to go after Tye King Of Rock and roll though. Nor the Rap stars, or Rock stars that do the same... one man's sins are greater than another's........
Apparently, the law can only be found in one book. What does it say about the age of consent?
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Trump opens door to 600,000 Chinese students amid Beijing trade talks; would be largest number ever

I cannot believe that Biden would let in literally hundreds of thousands of students from one of out greatest enemies. Many of whom are dyed in the wool members of the CCP! They will reap the rewards of our best universities and then take that knowledge back with them to China! What madness it this? The guy should be...sorry? What was that? It's not...Biden? It was...who? But that...that makes no...

Ah, anyway. As I was saying. I welcome our friends from across the sea and wish them all the best. President Trump and I look forward to your arrival! Huān yíng guāng lín!
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The Name of the Congregation

Everywhere in Christian meetings, books, magazines, and websites, there is a teaching that is always missing—the teaching about God's congregation. Why is there so little talk about this? Teaching about God's congregation should be part of every preacher's job. Now, before Jesus comes, the truth about God's congregation needs to be preached.
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Furious Democrats Call for Schumer to Be Replaced After Shutdown Cave

Democratic unity fractures, paving the way for the government to reopen


Enough Democrats caved.​
A Sunday night Senate deal may be on the verge of resolving the longest government shutdown on record — after a group of moderate Democrats dropped their key demand — a guaranteed extension of Obamacare subsidies.​
The agreement opened the way for a Senate vote in which eight Democratic defectors voted to break the filibuster and to clear the first hurdle to reopening the government after nearly six weeks. Their move will offer relief to millions of Americans whose lives have been severely disrupted by the shutdown.​
If tax credits are not extended for the ACA, these turncoats will have to walk the walk of shame--along with 53 Republicans--for betraying their constituents.
Schumer will lose to AOC in the next primary.
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Trump live updates: President expands ‘narco’ boat strikes to Pacific Ocean as 8th boat is struck

My guess is that you are wrong to assume stuff about me.
You obviously haven't read it because it doesn't say anything like what you claim it says. In fact, it says that what Trump is doing now was considered illegal by previous administrations.
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Ethics of Proselytization

But what if the nonbeliever is this person:

"No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws them...."

And just doesn't know it yet.

Can you put yourself into that non-believer's position?
Well, I think that finding some way to introduce Christianity would be best and then find out what the other person believes. Then he could explain what he believes, in which case giving them a tract to take home would be a good idea. Or alternatively invite them to church. I think it's important though to keep a good relationship (in this case a working one) with the person, whether or not they show an interest in Christianity.
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The Schumer Shutdown

The Democrats can now negotiate the subsidies with Republicans and put a bill before the Senate for a vote. If subsidies are as popular and essential as Democrats think, there should be no problem getting a dozen Republicans to vote for continuation of the level of subsidies.

If Democrats are wrong, they can close the government down again in January if they wish and make the election a referendum on subsidies. Does anyone believe that this strategy will work in January?

NOTE
The BBB passed in July made sure that federal entitlement checks would still go out. Federal employees who didn't get paid would be guaranteed their checks after the shutdown was over. Republicans mistakenly didn't include SNAP (food stamps). This has been corrected in the current bill. Republicans are ready for the next shutdown, especially after allowing a Senate vote on subsidies.

I would note that problem at the airport has ZERO to do with employees not being able to pay for gas or childcare. Folks who make $150K a year (before overtime) can work out how to borrow enough to cover a couple of paychecks. One problem was that not enough airport employees were declared "essential". Another is that we simply don't have enough air traffic controllers. We need many more. There were few delays. The airlines simply canceled flights and asked folks to check on flights before driving to the airports. There will be lost of delays when there is bad weather, without a shutdown.

Johnson is talking about having a vote in January for thw ACA. If this isn't resolved before Jan 15, and they actually extend the subsidies, they would need to extend or reopen the enrollment period as many people are not going to enroll with prices as they currently are. I don't trust the GOP to facilitate helping people keep healthcare but we'll see. At least when people cant afford care they will know who was fighting for and against them. I'm not convinced they will learn the lesson about who they should be electing, but again, we'll see.
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what is Calvinism answer to how God works?

can you give me a video I can watch or videos to help me understand? I don't mind if they are over an hour long.
Truly, understanding begins with the Doctrine of God proper —that is, the theology of just what and who God is— which brings about the understanding of his absolute being, his sovereignty, and the fact that he is the causer and the beginning of all fact, and his burning purity and purpose (among many other things). Life is about him. Reality is his 'invention', and absolutely depends on him. He is subject to nothing but himself.

That said, the best videos I've seen on that, and some others, more directly on what you are asking, are by RC Sproul, though there are many many other sources. Here's a couple that might serve some of both purposes:

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Does the Hebrew grammar of Daniel 9:24–27 support Christian Widener’s “double seventy-weeks” interpretation?

Perfect — here’s the Hebrew laid out vertically (straight down) so you can see the inversion visually, just as you requested:


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Daniel 9:25 — “Weeks 60, the second”

(emphasizing the second 60th week)

שָׁבֻעִים
shavuʿim — “weeks”

שִׁשִּׁים
shishim — “sixty”

וּשְׁנַיִם
u-shenayim — “and two”

➡️ Order: “Weeks 60 and 2” — inverted phrasing, pointing to the 60th week within the second set.
(Focus on the singular ‘week’ as a specific event — “the week 60 of the second.”)


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Daniel 9:26 — “On the 62nd week”

(emphasizing the 62nd week of the first set)

הַשָּׁבֻעִים
ha-shavuʿim — “the weeks”

שִׁשִּׁים
shishim — “sixty”

וּשְׁנַיִם
u-shenayim — “and two”

➡️ Order: “After the weeks 60 and 2” — the normal phrasing, referring to the 62 weeks completed in the first seventy-week cycle.


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Explanation of the Inversion

VerseOrderFocusEmphasis

9:25“Weeks 60 and 2”Second 60th weekInversion — draws attention to a specific week within the second 70-week set
9:26“After the weeks 60 and 2”First 62 weeksRegular order — refers to the whole span of the first cycle ending with Messiah’s coming


✅ Key Insight:
Verse 25’s phrasing isolates “week 60 of the second” — a pointed prophetic week of control and transition — whereas verse 26 uses the regular structure to close the first 62-week span, marking Messiah’s cutting off.


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Would you like me to show a side-by-side visual chart (left = v 25 “weeks 60 the second”, right = v 26 “62 weeks”) so the inversion can be clearly seen as mirrored columns?
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Morality without Absolute Morality

I understand the absurdity, but the absurdity is in the idea of an infinite regress to begin with because everything drains away to nothing in an infinite regress
Why do you believe that infinite regress to be vicious? Not all infinite regresses are vicious, some are benign.

If you don't believe it to be vicious, what do you mean with drain away to nothing?
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Be Instructed Judah

Explain the 'day of cloud and darkness', in Ezekiel 34:12b, that matches with the Holy Land being desolated and depopulated. Which will happen before the G/M attack.

I realize, of course that you must have Judah; the Jews present so as you can fly off to heaven.
Many scriptures warn about believing such false ideas, but to teach and promote it, is a huge risk.
keras, you are trying to insert your solar flare theory and replacement nation of modern day Israel into Ezekiel 38, but it is not there. The Gog/Magog attack will be on modern day Israel.

The resurrection/rapture event could take place anytime before the Antichrist goes into the temple (to be built), sits, claiming to have achieved God-hood.
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Using AI vs. Talking To Humans

For example, you could ask an AI creator/programmer why, or what caused a specific AI to give them (a human user) the exact response that it did, or why it used the exact words that it did, or why it chose to frame a certain kind of response in the exact way that it did based on what the human user told it, or the words that the human user used, or how the human user chose to interact with it, etc, and they won't be able to tell you exactly why all of the time 100% specifically or exactly, or why it didn't choose or select something different, etc, and that should greatly concern all of us, as we're only going to be moving further and further away from that as time goes on, etc. Oh, and the AI itself won't know or won't be able to tell you either, which should greatly concern all of us, as we're only going to be moving further and further away from that in the future, etc.

The "personality" of the AI, if you will, evolves or grows or changes over your interacting with it, and no one seems to be able to know/predict what it will become, or how or why, etc, and if that's not concerning to you, especially as AI gains more capabilities, and we put it in charge of a lot more things, and we move even further and further away from ever being able to know that fully, then I don't know what will, etc. It's one of the main chief primary problems involved with the future of AI safety, and AI safety currently, etc.

God Bless.
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What happens if someone dies before they became a believer, is it their fault?

Surprised when I read -
"For ever since the creation of the world His invisible nature and attributes, that is, His eternal power and divinity, have been made intelligible and clearly discernible in and through the things that have been made (His handiworks). So [men] are without excuse [altogether without any defense or justification]," Rom 1:20
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There’s a Giant Flaw in Human History

Its an article with several authors with different views on how the Inca softened with plants. One of the claims that a plant could make stone like clay was disputed. But the stone softening is not disputed.

What I find interesting is that you only mention this and keep silent on the rest. Why is that. This seems misleading.

Did you even read the article itself where the guys that they're all just stories and have no actual evidence for them at all?

Because you clearly didn't because the author of the article says there's no evidence for such a thing at all.

The only one being misleading is you.
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So Jesus Christ Has First Place

“He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation. For by Him all things were created, both in the heavens and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities—all things have been created through Him and for Him. He is before all things, and in Him all things hold together. He is also head of the body, the church; and He is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, so that He Himself will come to have first place in everything.” (Colossians 1:15-18 NASB1995)

I have been going through some trials and tribulations for the past two months, particularly having to do with shooting chest pains, labored breathing, and chest pressure, which have not let up. I also have a lung mass which has nearly doubled in size from the last time it was checked 9 years ago, and which is concerning for cancer. So the Lord has been taking me through a series of medical tests to help determine the source of the pain, and that has involved many doctor visits to many different doctors.

Now, this is not the norm for me. Generally speaking, I have a yearly well visit with my primary doctor where he checks to see how I am doing, and he orders some blood work, which usually ends up with no issues. And then I don’t see him again for another year, unless I have any issues. So, all this is out of the norm for me. And I am seeing different doctors with varying opinions of what could be going wrong with my body. So, with everything they tell me, I take it to the Lord in prayer, and I seek his counsel.

For it is of critical importance to me that I am in the center of God’s will, doing what he has for me to do, and that I am being led by the Spirit, and not by the flesh. So I pray about every visit and every recommendation in order to make certain that I am on the right course that God has for me at this time. Yes, I believe in healing, and God has healed me numerous times over the years. But he also promises us that we will go through trials and tribulations to test our faith in order that we might be more like him.

So, when I read this passage of Scripture this morning, it really jumped out at me. God is in control! He is completely sovereign over my life, and Jesus Christ is before all things, and in him all things hold together. He is the one directing all that is going on in my life right now, and for his purposes, and for his glory, to continue the process of sanctification in my life. None of this happened without his knowledge and without his consent. And all of this is for my ultimate good. And it is his love and grace which are sustaining me.

And this last phrase is also standing out to me here.. “so that he himself will come to have first place in everything.” For no matter how long any of us have been Christians and followers of Jesus Christ, we are still clay in the hands of the Potter God, being molded to his likeness, as we cooperate fully with his work of grace in our lives in changing us to be more like him. No matter how closely we have walked with Jesus, there is still room for more growth, and more change, and even greater submission to our Lord’s will.

Not one of us has arrived at the point to where there is no more need to be pruned by God. For we live in flesh bodies. We are still human beings who are in the process of being perfected by God as we submit to his will and purpose for our lives. There is always room for improvement and for the cutting away of more flesh. For this is the process of sanctification in our lives, which is also the process of our salvation. And this process will continue through our lives until Jesus takes us home to be with him in glory.

[Matthew 5:10-12; Matthew 7:13-14; Matthew 10:16-39; Matthew 24:9-14; Luke 6:22-23; Luke 21:12-17; John 15:18-21; John 17:14; Romans 5:3-5; Philippians 3:7-11; 1 Peter 1:6-7; 1 Peter 4:12-17; 2 Timothy 3:12; 1 Thessalonians 3:1-5; James 1:2-4; 2 Corinthians 1:3-11; Hebrews 12:3-12; 1 John 3:13; Revelation 6:9-11; Revelation 7:9-17; Revelation 11:1-3; Revelation 12:17; Revelation 13:1-18; Revelation 14:1-13]

But just because we are in the process of sanctification, and not one of us has yet arrived at the point of absolute perfection, this is never an excuse for any of us to live in willful, defiant, deliberate, and habitual sin against our Lord. For our salvation from sin is not freedom to keep sinning without feeling guilty, assuming that God’s grace covers it all. For Jesus Christ died and rose to deliver us out of our slavery to sin so we will now serve him with our lives in walks of obedience to his commands. So let him rule your life.

[Matthew 7:13-14,21-23; Luke 9:23-26; John 10:27-30; Acts 26:18; Romans 1:18-32; Romans 2:5-10; Romans 3:23; Romans 6:1-23; Romans 8:1-14; 1 Corinthians 10:1-22; Galatians 5:16-24; Ephesians 2:8-10; Ephesians 4:17-32; Ephesians 5:3-6; Titus 2:11-14; Hebrews 3:1-19; Hebrews 4:1-13; Hebrews 10:19-39; Hebrews 12:1-2; 1 Peter 2:24; 1 John 1:1-10; 1 John 2:3-6; 1 John 3:4-10; Revelation 2:1-29; Revelation 3:1-22]

Walk With Me

By Al Langdon and P.J. Zondervan

Walk with me, walk with me,
Lest mine eyes no longer see
All the glory, all the story of Your love;
Talk to me, talk to me,
Like You spoke so tenderly,
When You talked there,
When You walked there by the sea.

Talk to me, talk to me,
Lest mine ears no longer hear
All the wonder, all the beauty of Your grace;
Walk with me, walk with me,
As You walked so lovingly,
When You walked there,
When You talked there by the sea.

Let me follow in the footsteps
That trod the shore of Galilee,
Let me learn to pray like He did
In the Garden of Gethsemane;
Take my hand, take my hand,
Teach me Lord to understand,
All the duty, all the beauty of Your love.

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So Jesus Christ Has First Place
An Original Work / November 13, 2025
Christ’s Free Servant, Sue J Love

DOGE NEWS


apparently the claims are satire.
So, if I understand this correctly, Trump claimed DOGE ended payments that were never actually made.

Good job! :oldthumbsup:

-- A2SG, wondering if they counted that figure in their big wall of savings....you know, the one that keeps getting corrected downward....
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