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A2SG · 2025-11-20T22:33:23-0600

Always in His Presence said:
And nothing - the facts in the OP showed it was multiple text during a hearing - not an email as you stated - oops

Text, email....is there a significance to the difference there I'm not picking up on?

Always in His Presence said:
You would have to determine what is viable - you are the one who evidently thought it a salient point that you never heard of her before. Sounds dismissive and non viable to me.

You brought the subject up, not me. You're the one who intimated that she was a "viable subject" for some reason. I'm still unclear on why. But if you prefer not to explain why, that's your business. I still don't see how any of this is a problem worth discussing.

Always in His Presence said:
No waiting at all - I'm glad you are content -

Care to correct your error?

-- Always in His Presence, content to wait also - in the middle of the Book of John...

What error? That I said email instead of text? Mea culpa.

-- A2SG, personally prefer a Dortmunder book by Donald Westlake, but you do you....

Hans Blaster · 2025-11-20T22:24:38-0600

BPPLEE said:
Are chemicals still self organizing?

Everyday. Self-organizing systems are quite common. Crystallization is the most common form.

Modern life is self-replicating.

Fervent · 2025-11-20T22:21:35-0600

I suspect most of these cryptids are just overactive imaginations, too much we would expect to find that we simply don't if such things existed. Though I wouldn't write them all off, people thought Platypus was a hoax at first even after physical evidence had been produced and for the longest time where elephant dead go was a mystery.

NotreDame · 2025-11-20T22:16:46-0600

BelieveItOarKnot said:
My how the errors in choices creep in.

Adam received “the command” from God, the quite entirely infamous “do not eat OR ELSE” command that we apparently all fell under.

Eve was not yet separated and formed from Adam. But Eve apparently had heard the command. How so?

Gen. 3:
2 And the woman said unto the serpent, We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden:
3 But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die.

So we have 3 basic possibilities where this repeating of the command from God came from. We have no record of God repeating it to Eve. She may have had an inert or inner understanding of the command, being “within” Adam at the time, (God called them BOTH Adam on the day they were created-Gen. 5) OR the most likely source, Adam himself.

In any case Eve clearly got the command wrong, adding to it the statement that they may not “touch it.” God never said that. In fact they were meant to tend to the Garden and presumably every tree therein, inclusive of the infamous tree of knowledge of good/evil. An error was already in place and an unknown violation of God's Intentions for them, again most likely from the recount of Adam of that command, which would essentially prove his own fault in listening or retelling or tending the Garden. Or Eve made up the error herself, again showing error was in her own mind. In any case the command was mangled in her own mind and statements in stating the command to the serpent. She basically erred to the serpent and of course the serpent struck from there, getting her to consider making a “MORAL CHOICE.” Perhaps not even cognizant of the fact that she already erred.

So Eve starts her decision making with a built in fault. An error in recounting the exact command, to not “touch” the tree.

And here is where her decision making starts, all quite in line with making a good moral decision for herself:

Gen. 3:
6 And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat.

A classic setup for making a moral choice.

Good/Pleasant/Wise. What could possibly go wrong?

What’s wrong with the picture is that we fail to see that lawlessness was already at work within both Adam, who never even bothered to correct Eve’s misstatement of the command, and Eve, showing that LUST, LUST and PRIDE was already within her, referring to this pattern stated by John in:

1 John 2:16
For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.

Basically the things of the Father were NOT in Eve, but things of the world: good for food, pleasant to the eyes, the pride of being wise. All seemingly legitimate on the surface using the world’s decision making moral choice methods.

I honestly would hardly find fault in the decision making process, that we all employ daily. In many ways this decision making course is required to even survive. We have to eat. We like to eat things that please our eyes and we certainly are not rewarded for making foolish decisions.

But you see none of these observations are even accurate. What is accurate is that the package of Adam and Eve came PREPACKAGED with FAULTS.

Paul outlined this clearly in 1 Cor. 15:42-46 showing us exactly the conditions that
Adam and “all” natural people are planted in. These 3 things also correlate to Eve’s built in flaws:

Planted in corruption
Planted in dishonor
Planted in weakness

Is there supposed to be some surprise if outcome of making decisions with those pre-existing conditions is not and can never be moral? We make every decision from those planted conditions. Basically being seeded in dung, within the darkness of earth, our own dust body.

And lets not ignore what really happened to both Adam and Eve. Where the Word is sown, Satan comes immediately in our hearts to STEAL, to SIN in our own hearts via THEFT.

Obviously both Adam and Eve were stolen from within.

I believe the tempter was already at work within them both from the moment they first heard the Words of God. Yet hardly a one of us can see it, because we too have been stolen from.

And in this state we can’t even be honest with ourselves about it.

Instead we’ll claim that we justify ourselves by making good moral decisions, even with the hard line fact of EVIL CHOICES WITHIN TO CHOOSE FROM.

Remember these Words from Jesus: EVIL COMES FROM WITHIN.

It’s not optional, so let’s not try to pull Jesus’ Leg about it claiming we’re legally obedient and making good moral cnoices. Evil thoughts defile us all, period.

Mark 7:21-23

You have to love an HONEST BOOK. And of course not everything is as it appears on the surface, or in the mirror

Evil thoughts defile us all, period.

Yes. This is a product of our sinful nature, our sinful flesh. Yet, while I concur, I disagree with your claims regarding A and E.

A difficulty addressing your position is the ambiguity of the meaning of some phrases.

For example, what does “lawlessness was already at work within both Adam…Eve” mean?

Regardless, the evidence for this claim is not persuasive.

Eve, showing that LUST, LUST and PRIDE was already within her

Except the word “lust” is never used in relation to Eve and illuminating John had no difficulty using the word repeatedly of “the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life” and there’s no compelling reason why the author of Genesis couldn’t have likewise used the word “lust” in relation to Eve. After all, there are threw Hebrew words for “lust,” ′ăâ as a longing or desiring, zimmah for sinful, wicked, lewdness, lust, there’s avah, chamad, and again. Yet, not one of these Hebrew words is ever used in relation to Eve.

Simply, there’s nothing in the plain text meaning or textual meaning of that Genesis verse claiming, alleging, inferring, or implying Eve had or experienced “lust.” It is not a paucity of evidence, or de minimis evidence, but no evidence in the plain text to support a proposition of lust was applicable to Eve at this juncture. As a result, this doesn’t substantiate lawlessness “already at work within” A and E.

And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise

Yeah but so what, regarding the good for food and pleasant to the eyes. It is rational to deduce this was how A and E in part based their decision as to what to eat, much like today. Humans today and since existence make a decision to eat or not to eat based upon how appetizing it is in appearance, and whether it is “good for food.” That’s not inherently sinful or lustful.

And the phrasing “when the woman saw…good for food, pleasant to the eyes” suggests looking at food in this way previously but not in regards to this specific source of food until the Serpent spoke to her.

Now, the “desired to make one wise” is more of the oddity. But it’s interesting the author didn’t say “lust” but “desired,” which reflects that sin having not yet entered the world at this juncture, Eve wasn’t subjected to the sinful lust spoke of by John.

What is accurate is that the package of Adam and Eve came PREPACKAGED with FAULTS.

Paul outlined this clearly in 1 Cor. 15:42-46 showing us exactly the conditions that
Adam and “all” natural people are planted in. These 3 things also correlate to Eve’s built in flaws:

Planted in corruption
Planted in dishonor
Planted in weakness

No, those verses do not establish, show, demonstrate, or allege “prepackaged faults” of A and E.

“42 So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown [p]a perishable body, it is raised [q]an imperishable body; 43 it is sown in dishonor, it is raised in glory; it is sown in weakness, it is raised in power; 44 it is sown a natural body, it is raised a spiritual body. If there is a natural body, there is also a spiritual body.45 So also it is written: “The first man, Adam, became a living [r]person.” The last Adam was a life-giving spirit. 46 However, the spiritual is not first, but the natural; then the spiritual.”

There’s nothing in these verses that substantively has anything to do with “prepackaged with faults.” Neither did Paul assert Adam was “planted” in “corruption, dishonor, weakness.”

The context Paul writes is with a condition of existence and set of affairs and circumstances after Adam’s sin and fall, and not conditions and set of circumstances of existence before the sin and fall. After all, Paul is discussing resurrection of the dead and there isn’t any resurrection of the dead without first A.) Adam’s sin and B.) God’s punishment of a physical death. Hence, the comment of “sown in dishonor…sown in weakness…raised in glory/power” is within the context and conditions after sin has entered the world, after the curse and rendering physical death upon humanity by God.

Sabertooth · 2025-11-20T22:13:44-0600

@Creativeguy, are going to a church that has a healing ministry, like

com7fy8 · 2025-11-20T22:11:13-0600

Fervent said:
an over-emphasis on justification

To me, it seems there is "justification" that is "imputed". This means you trust in Jesus and God "declares" you to be righteous. Well, this does happen > it is like if you have been on a losing high school football team, but then you become a water person on a Super Bowl championship team. You gain the standing of your championship team, just by joining. Like this, when a person first trusts in Jesus, yes we become part of God's kingdom with His righteousness and Jesus Christ's "track record" now as our background history >

"old things have passed away" > in 2 Corinthians 5:17.

But then the water server needs to grow and develop in relating with the coach and players and other servers. And this brings right standing which is more than what comes just with membership. And, like this, in Jesus we need to grow . . . in God's love, how the grace of this love has us submissively sharing with God and sharing as family with one another while the grace of God's love keeps curing and maturing our character so we become more and more gentle and humble and all-loving like Jesus.

Fantine · 2025-11-20T22:08:07-0600

Apparently they found one study to.counteract 26 ones finding no connection.

sovereigngrace · 2025-11-20T21:49:30-0600

Guojing said:
I think the part where Paul was describing gentiles in Romans 11:13-24, he was describing gentiles, not in the "but now" but rather in the "age to come".

In the "but now" time period, which is today, we are saved thru faith alone without works by being in the Body of Christ, thus we cannot be cut off after, nor do we need to be part of Israel to be saved.

In the "age to come", gentiles will once again need to be saved by being part of Israel, the olive tree, so it will once again requires faith and works, so not doing works will result in being cut off.

So based on this reasoning, the olive tree can indeed represent true Israel, which is not us the Body of Christ.

LOL. Just change the Bible to suit your false teaching. This is another reason to reject Pretrib and Premil.

Fervent · 2025-11-20T21:28:35-0600

Prayers for @Michie and her mother, especially that her mother's back not be injured even as she feels better on it. Prayers for continued comfort and activity for her mother. In Jesus' name, Amen.

RileyG · 2025-11-20T21:26:53-0600

Belk said:
Something.. something.. old dog... new tricks.

He’s well on in years. If his personality ever changes, that would be a miracle. But I’m not holding my breath, speaking as a MODERATE conservative.

Brother Del · 2025-11-20T21:24:54-0600

How do I know that I am saved?

I have no doubt, the Creator of all good things is Yahweh

I have no doubt, the Lord Jesus Christ is His Son

I have no doubt, the Lord Jesus Christ is the Living Word of Yahweh

I have no doubt, the Living Word of Yahweh, is the creator of all good things

I have no doubt Yahweh is
perfectly righteous, perfectly just,
and perfectly merciful, all knowing, all powerful, and all wise. And the Lord Jesus Christ
is His perfect solution to restore all things, the perfect sacrifice.

I have no doubt, the Living Word of Yahweh has redeemed me
by His blood, from the penalty
and the power of sin, has renewed me by His Spirit, and I will ever live with Him

I have no doubt, that He will never leave me, neither will He forsake me, for He is mine and I am His.

Holy, Holy, Holy is Yahweh
There is none like Him

Akita Suggagaki · 2025-11-20T21:12:59-0600

dlamberth said:
From what I've seen, it depends on the depth of a person's own inner experience of deep consciousness.

As a meditator now of 50 years I cannot say I have an answer. Some deep silence and stillness, awareness without “thought” samadhi style. Something there but without faith to help interpret the experience it seems more of a silent void. John of the cross apophatic realm. Perhaps like the awareness of a molecule or lets get fancy and say monad.

keras · 2025-11-20T21:07:45-0600

jonojim1337 said:
it is not related to current state in Palestine.

Does what the Bible Prophets tell us, have no real meaning for you, or others here. Is it all just Spiritual?
The Prophecy in Zechariah 9:9 was really fulfilled. How can people say other Prophesies, obviously unfulfilled, but which can, feasibly be fulfilled; will not be?

The current situation in the Middle East, is untenable and cannot continue. God has said that He is going to resolve it. Jeremiah 12:14, +
I say: Bring it on Lord!

eclipsenow · 2025-11-20T21:06:24-0600

essentialsaltes said:
Experts have long viewed thorium reactors as the next leap in energy innovation. Some scientists estimate that a single thorium-rich mine in Inner Mongolia could theoretically supply China’s energy needs for tens of thousands of years with far less radioactive waste than current uranium-based reactors.

Having never studied physics, it took quite a few conversations to get my head around this tech.

THE CAMPFIRE
Nuclear waste does NOT have to be stored for 100,000 years. The only reason it is radioactive for so long is we have not got all the energy out of it. I’m no physicist and got the following metaphor from chatting with them. But after a regular uranium fuel rod has been in a reactor for about 18 months, it stops fissioning efficiently. It has not run out of energy, but instead is being stopped by ‘nuclear poisons’ - things that dampened the reaction. It’s a bit like a huge campfire that gets rained on. The fire is put out, but the fuel is still there. Only in this case, ‘drying out’ the ‘logs’ involves melting down the fuel rods, separating out the good ‘wood’, and then ‘drying’ it around the reactor core (where the fertile stuff can soak up extra neutrons to become fissile). As a result, breeder reactors can get something like 90 TIMES the energy out of each fuel rod! America has enough waste to run her for thousands of years.

There are many differences between standard fuel rods using uranium, and liquid thorium molten salt reactors - including RADICAL safety advantages. But one of them is my metaphor breaks down, because it's like the 'drying out the logs' process happens continually. They have the liquids in a self-cleaning loop in many models.

WHAT ABOUT THE ‘ASHES’ FROM THIS ‘CAMPFIRE?’
Some of the nuclear fuel is fissioned away into energy. (That’s what E = MC2 is all about.) By the time all the energy has been extracted this way, it’s only about a golf-ball of waste per human lifetime of abundant clean energy! Your whole life. One golf ball! That’s amazing!
So, what to do with the REAL waste - the broken atoms that cannot be fissioned any more?
We can melt it down into glass like ceramic tablets that contain it. (If there’s ever an earthquake or unanticipated event, we don’t want radioactive dust getting out into the water table, etc.) Bury these bricks in a bunker on site, and in about 300 years they are safe! The hotter it is, the faster it burns out. See this Argonne Labs video - 4 minutes. Login to view embedded media
Not only this, but they can also supply many medical radioactive isotopes useful for nuclear medicine.
It's an amazing technology. But they're going to have to work hard to bring the cost down, because solar panels are expected to halve in price AGAIN by 2030!

Yttrium · 2025-11-20T20:58:52-0600

Are we talking about philosophical nothingness? A state of complete non-existence? If there was nothing, then nothing would exist, and if nothing existed, it couldn't be nothing.

Akita Suggagaki · 2025-11-20T20:57:41-0600

Hm. I have deleted in the past but don’t see the option now.

Mark Quayle · 2025-11-20T20:38:27-0600

Belonging to Abba said:
I set time limits on texting and other apps with the Lock Me Out app on Android, and some of the time it has not been effective. Like yesterday when I had a 10 minute time limit on texting, but I still ended up being glued to the phone and not able to put it down for a long time. When I was glued to the phone, I felt like there was a lot less to do on the phone so I was using the phone cut off from the activity I love, and really not liking it. If I have much more of these experiences feeling stuck on a phone and feeling severely limited in not being able to text friends, I might disable the time limit on texting and just use Lock Me Out for limiting or blocking other apps like social media. I might even disable the time limit on texting soon.

For controlling my addiction to my phone I turn the phone's power off before/when I get home, but not always consistently. It seems like this may be a more effective barrier to texting or my phone addiction because I cannot as easily grab the phone and immediately spend time on it, and I may decide to keep it off for my own good and to be able to get more tasks done. I have a landline and cell plan on my Galaxy Watch so I can still receive urgent calls from my mom if she has a pressing need to call me.

With my smartphone addiction, I also have weird behavior of wanting to get in bed in with my phone. Previously, I loved to just get in bed and text friends and found it really relaxing. Now with a time limit in place if I get in bed with the phone, I may spend some time browsing the Google Discover Feed, or scroll through YouTube to see what is there, but yesterday I kind of ran out of stuff to do on the phone, so I just put the phone aside and laid there.

With the time limits in place, it would be super productive if I opened the Bible app and worked on memorizing Bible verses. I did that once with these new limits, but a lot of times I have not.

You sound like this is surprising to you. If it is an addiction, controlling it is like controlling any other addiction.

My job requires me to be available 24 hrs if only to answer texts troubleshooting equipment over the phone, with customers all over the world. Truth is that most nights I can sleep without interruption, but the phone is by me in bed. If I can't sleep, I might actually watch a few police chases on TikTok, and about 3 hrs later realize it's already time to get up. If that is wrong for me to do, rather than just inconvenient to my productivity and state of mind, I shouldn't do it. Simple as that.

I like to drink beer, I like to have a buzz, but I don't do it all day, because it is harmful to my life. I don't get drunk every night to be able to sleep because I need to be available to answer the phone coherently. "Because" can be a strong motivator.

I'm not going to tell you I'm addicted to my phone, nor eating, nor anything else, because in the end it is like sin or any other pursuit. In the end, we always choose what we most want to do at that instant of choice, even if it has become automatic.

I expect I don't need to tell you what happens when you pursue Christ, and find yourself desperately needing him, and seeing the weakness, stupidity and self-indulgence of the flesh, and his continuing patience in demonstrating to you repeatedly that apart from him you can do nothing.

The Grace of God can be overwhelming.

Yarddog · 2025-11-20T20:38:19-0600

Michie said:
Pope Leo XIV is defending the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops’ message opposing what he characterized as the “extremely disrespectful” treatment of illegal immigrants being deported by the Trump administration. His comments come as border czar Tom Homan continues to defend the federal government’s actions and reiterate earlier allegations of hypocrisy by the Catholic Church.

In response to reporters seeking his comment on the USCCB’s “Special Message” on immigration Tuesday, the pontiff said, “We have to look for ways of treating people humanely, treating people with the dignity that they have.”

“If people are in the United States illegally, there are ways to treat that. There are courts; there’s a system of justice. I think there are a lot of problems in the system. No one has said that the United States should have open borders. I think every country has a right to determine who and how and when people enter,” he stressed.

Continued below.

Pope Leo says he opposes open borders, blasts Trump's deportation of illegal immigrants

Pope Leo XIV is defending the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops message opposing what he characterized as the extremely disrespectful treatment of illegal immigrants being deported by the

www.christianpost.com

No open has called for open borders. That is just a right wing lie. The Pope understands and he knows that Trump lies, especially about immigrants.

Fervent · 2025-11-20T20:29:09-0600

Mark Quayle said:
Mark Quayle said:
Can you demonstrate that anything can happen besides what does happen? Can you demonstrate the actual possibility of other options? Or is that only in our thinking? When God demands that we choose, do we not always only choose the one option? Was God not aware of those decisions before creating, but went ahead and created anyway? Well, then! He INTENDED it to be decided the way it was

CORRECT enough! That's why I asked it. Can you do it? Can you prove that "apparent" free will choices (or any other choice) could have gone a different way? You will say, "of course!", but you can't do it. You will provide some statement you consider axiomatic, but is not, like, "God would not demand what you cannot obey".

Mark Quayle said:
Otherwise, you need to demonstrate that {actual "chance" can determine outcomes}. The notion is by definition self-contradictory. But your whole construction depends on it.

You are defining justice according to the creature's ability to do what he is commanded to do. Sorry, but the command does not imply the ability to obey— it only implies the responsibility to obey. God is not unjust to create beings who will pay for their rebellion, as intended. He is making use of them for his Glory, to demonstrate his love and mercy to the objects of his mercy—us.

Can you demonstrate that actual "chance" can determine outcomes? Or do you first need me to demonstrate how your notion of free will implies chance determining outcomes?

You seem to completely miss his objection, which is that you are engaged in a special pleading argument by demanding your opponent meet a standard you yourself cannot.

PTW · 2025-11-20T20:20:17-0600

X-Men: The Animated Series

Isaac the Recluse · 2025-11-20T20:19:07-0600

Lacking kakorrhaphiophobia, ostragoths pillaged Rome.

KKRRH

Valletta · 2025-11-20T20:15:59-0600

Reed has a long criminal record. CBS News Chicago found 49 arrests — including 10 felony cases. Three cases were later dropped, six ended up with convictions ranging from probation to 30 days in the Cook County Jail — and in the case of one drug conviction from 2003, two years in Illinois state prison.
Among them was an active aggravated battery case from just this past August.
In that incident, Reed is accused of hitting a social worker at MacNeal Hospital Psychiatry and Behavioral Health in west suburban Berwyn. The attack caused loss of consciousness, ER visits, lasting memory issues, headaches, and daily nausea for the social worker, the Cook County State's Attorney's office said at the time.

Man faces federal terrorism charges for allegedly setting woman on fire on Blue Line train in Chicago

Federal charges were issued Wednesday against a man accused of setting a woman on fire on a CTA Blue Line train in downtown Chicago this week.

www.cbsnews.com

They still don't get it.

CLEEB · 2025-11-20T20:11:05-0600

Clare73 said:
That is precisely what Paul states:

Adam was not the one deceived, it was the woman who was deceived (1 Tim 2:14).
Adam chose to sin with her.

Because Adam wasn’t deceived and Eve was is proof of free will because if there was no free will their response would have been the same. It shows a difference in wills between Adam and Eve. Why is it so difficult to see that both Adam and Eve did not acquire the knowledge of good and evil until Adam ate the forbidden fruit ? In order to sin you must have the knowledge of good and evil and do the evil instead of the good. James 4:17 Adams sin was unique because it determined the course of humanity our sins do not. Today every man dies for his own sin. Adam and Eve at their creation were not innocent of sin because they were righteous but because they were ignorant.

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