• Starting today August 7th, 2024, in order to post in the Married Couples, Courting Couples, or Singles forums, you will not be allowed to post if you have your Marital status designated as private. Announcements will be made in the respective forums as well but please note that if yours is currently listed as Private, you will need to submit a ticket in the Support Area to have yours changed.

  • CF has always been a site that welcomes people from different backgrounds and beliefs to participate in discussion and even debate. That is the nature of its ministry. In view of recent events emotions are running very high. We need to remind people of some basic principles in debating on this site. We need to be civil when we express differences in opinion. No personal attacks. Avoid you, your statements. Don't characterize an entire political party with comparisons to Fascism or Communism or other extreme movements that committed atrocities. CF is not the place for broad brush or blanket statements about groups and political parties. Put the broad brushes and blankets away when you come to CF, better yet, put them in the incinerator. Debate had no place for them. We need to remember that people that commit acts of violence represent themselves or a small extreme faction.

Vatican stops use of titles for Mary

I support your right to believe that -

it differs from both Scripture and now the Roman Catholic Church

Have an issue - take it up with the pope
I don't have an issue, it's not a title I have used nor particularly care about. But if you're going to complain about a term, at least take the time to understand how those who use it understand it rather than just assuming that they mean something nefarious.
Upvote 0

Are professed Christians that worship our Lord on Sunday instead of Saturday sinning?

works of the Law
(CLV) Ja 2:24
You see that by works a man is being justified, and not by faith only.


James, brother of Yahshua, of the inner circle of the Apostles, purported the head of the ecclessia after Yahshua's ascension, claims that works play a part in our justification, along with faith.



(CLV) Ro 3:28
For we are reckoning a man to be justified by faith apart from works of law.



Paul, a Torah scholar, having studied under Gamaliel, and sent by Yahshua from the road to Damascus that we are not justified by works of the law. I don't believe for a moment that Paul was contradicting James; or James would have surely corrected him.

Clearly works are different than works of the law.


(CLV) Ro 2:13
For not the listeners to law are just with God, but the doers of law shall be justified.


Here, Paul, in the same letter that the doers of the law will be justified. I don't believe for a moment that Paul is contradicting himself. I don't believe that he was suffering from mental dysfunction; and that he couldn't remember what he had written several paragraphs before.


Clearly the law, and works, are different than works of the law.


I don't see "Works of Law" mentioned in the Torah. I don't see any mention of it by Yahshua. Paul is the only one in the Bible to use this expression.

Where is Paul getting this?

It is mentioned up to 6 times, 4 times in Galatians, and maybe 2 times in Romans.
Galatians 2:16, 3:2, 3:5, 3:10 Romans 3:27, 9:32


It is also mentioned in the Qumran Scrolls.
Q394 (4QMMTa) 4QHalakhic Letter
Dead Sea Scrolls Project: 4QMMT


Definition of halacha
: the body of Jewish law supplementing the scriptural law and forming especially the legal part of the Talmud
Definition of HALACHA


Yahshua rebuked putting the traditions of men over the Torah. Yahshua kept the Torah and called us to follow his example. Paul followed yahshua's example and called us to follow his example.

Remember that dogma (such as the Talmud) was nailed to the torture stake, not Yah's eternal Torah.
Upvote 0

Why I might suspect there`s a god

You continue to confuse A: the corruption of sound investigative practices by pressures arising from rapacious commercial exploitation with B: the practice of science. You should see someone about that. Delusions can be cured.

According to your Post 7, we got Thalidomide by:
  1. exhaustive investigation
  2. observation and experimentation
  3. reasoning
  4. argumentation
  5. critical thinking
  6. investigative review
  7. refining of observations
  8. repetitive experiments
  9. justified reasoning
  10. dissected arguments
  11. all assumptions questioned
  12. all speculations questioned
  13. all provisional conclusions questioned
Is that about right?

(Note: a simple YES or NO answer will do.)
Upvote 0

The Thing Most Sabbath Keepers Do not Talk About.

The rich young ruler went away sad, because while he was obeying the commandments to love our neighbor, he neglected the commandments to love God and placed his great riches over following God

Jesus said he knew the Commandments.

Scripture doesn't support the suggestion he didn't.

Do you think he was lying when he claimed he kept them ? ?
Upvote 0

Pardoned Jan. 6 defendant who fired gun at the Capitol arrested on kidnapping and aggravated sexual assault charges

Well, a man was arrested for kidnapping and rape in Chicago. That's certainly newsworthy.

Meanwhile, also in Chicago - 238 people were shot and killed at a Popeye's Chicken location within the span of five minutes. When pressed for answers as to how so many people could be killed at such a small restaurant in such a short period of time, Cook County homicide detectives replied "We're looking into it. They just keep getting more creative every day".
IMG_9883.jpeg
Upvote 0

The Final Experiment (Flat Earth Bites The Dust)

Your diagram fails because at that time of year the entirety of Antarctica can see the sun for 24Hrs
There is no way to prove that, people don't live but on the very edge of Antarctica. The easiest point to reach is off the southern parts of south America. The video is from the coastal area of Antarctica, there is even a guy with short sleeves on in one of the videos, Antarctica is vast. Those who tried to circle it in the 1800s logged something like 60000 miles give or take, because it is an ice wall, not a continent.
Upvote 0

Be Instructed Judah

@Douggg
Please address the OP and #14, or go elsewhere..

Your attempts to support your beliefs, fail miserably.
1/ The Jews represent only the tribes of Judah and Benjamin. Some from other tribes have joined Judah and become Jews too.
2/ Isaiah 66:12 proves you wrong.
3/ Consistently wrong, -as Ezekiel 37:19-27, remains unfulfilled.
Upvote 0

Is AI making the human race dumber?

The trick is to not use AI to think for us, but to think with us, symbiotically, as a tool and force multiplier, not a substitute.
My issue is that when I do a Google search, the AI part often pops up with claims that are completely wrong. Now, I realize that can happen with things humans toss up, too. But if I have to fact check everything AI tells me, what good is it?
Upvote 0

MARK OF THE BEAST - REVELATION 13-14; 17; 18

Mark of the beast = literal mark on forehead or hand used primarily for buying and selling.

Most likely advanced technology, most likely a symbol that many hold dear now, I refrain from writing specifically about it for that reason. (Amos 5:26) So called Jesus will convince many that he has arrived with his angels to seal many with the seal of God in their forehead. "Your supposed to put it on your head and not on your hand, that is why it is not the mark of the beast " is what many will likely say.

Image of the beast = a hologram of a man speaking, a man seemingly healed from death Rev 13:3, talking blaspheme about what is outside of the sky Rev 13:6. Projected hologram technology, coming up from even phones. A.i. inside of the phones will keep track of who watches and who does not, and will be able to send out a signal to kill those who don't. Most live their lives around/with the device already today. The technology that would allow for such an interactive signal to be sent out is in place as of today, the a.i. is being trained today, the hologram technology is being perfected today.

Abomination of desolation = a special quantum computer put in a newly built temple, one connects to it via the mark, the computer will actually store and monitor consciousness, and be able to transfer it into hosts, one would be able to be conscious inside of the computer without a body, or even transfer into a robot body, causing literal desolation as humanity connects to it and lives in it. It is the devil's offer of seeming eternal life, most will go along with it, those who don't will be killed. The second resurrection serves to also resurrect souls out of the abomination. (No we're not in it now, there would be no touch, and it would likely be first presented as that you can go to 'heaven' and back, after half the time he comes out and admits he's the devil hoping people will simply accept his offer, believing the lie that they will not die)
Upvote 0

The End Time Puzzle

I still have my copy of "88 Reasons Why the Rapture Will Be in 1988", And it's only been 25 years since I was hooted at on a local TV show for saying that the ghastly warning of the world-ending effects to be expected of the "Y2K Bug" were rubbish. The very popular "Mayan Calendar EOTW came and went, the Harold Camping drop dead date saw nothing happen, 12-12-12 and the Blood Moon Tetrads proved to be non-events, and so far we'ce even survived the 2nd election of Donald Trump. Fact is, End Times prognostications (and there thousands of them) all have one thing in common: of the ones who predicted a date prior to 9-11-2025 ), 100% of them have been wrong. I think I see a pattern developing there.

Kinda sounds to me like the best policy for Christians is not to worry a lot about when our Lord is going to return. He will, when it's His good pleasure to do so. But one thing we know is going to happen, and that much soner than most would like to contemplare, we're inevitable, inescapably, unarguably, going to die. That's the certainty we'd best be prepared for . And if we're ready to die, then we'll also be ready for our Lord's return as well. Pretty much a no-brainer, don'tcha think?
We've got three parables to work with, kind of "Goldilocks" tale.

One is the parable of the unwise bridesmaids. They presumed the groom would arrive quickly, so they were unprepared when he arrived late.

The other is the unwise steward. He presumed the master would arrive late, so he was unprepared when the master arrived early.

The third is the wise steward. He didn't presume anything about the master's arrival. He simply attended to the master's business in a timely manner every day, so when the master did arrive, the steward was caught in the midst of doing what he was supposed to be doing.
Upvote 0

JPPT's Faithful Thoughts and Devotions (3)

JPPT1974's Thurs Thoughts 11/13/2025:
We all enjoy seasons that
Are like Autumn or fall and
Spring, summer, and/or winter
As that we will like one season
Dislike the other but that there
Are seasons besides the change of the
Weather that we will feel like when our
Lives are in a unbearable predicament.
Upvote 0

SO HOW DO YOU KNOW YOU ARE SAVED ??

I am begotten by God. I did not do any work to be saved.

That means you believe salvation/eternal life, is by faith alone, without works.

Then I replied to BelieveItOarKnot of his comment that Jesus will reward those who give a cup of water to His brethren. The reward for blessing Jesus' brethren is the Matthew 25 judgment which corresponds to the Revelation white throne judgment. That judgment is for those who have blessed Jesus' brethren. None of us who are born of, adopted by, God will be judged at the white throne. Those of us who are born of God will live in heaven and have spiritual bodies. Those who enter eternal life from the white throne judgment will live on the new earth, not be allowed entry into heaven and still be flesh and blood. Yes, their work of blessing Jesus' brethren earned them a place on the new earth.

So to you, what differentiate your salvation from those who face the white throne judgement?

How come you could eternal life without works, but they had to bless Jesus's brethren to enter eternal life?
Upvote 0

Do the Ten Commandments still apply under the new covenant today?

Christ asks us to keep his Commandments and to believe in him and to also nurture our first passions for the faith in Revelations 2 for me I would say try and do the will of God in my life. Works can vary on capability of what you can do there was the lady with the two coins and the lazy servant. They will decide alone and we can do our best to follow them and what they say.

Alright, glad you clarified.
Upvote 0

The Mandami effect

American people from important issues by focusing on Mandami the socialist, they may find themselves surprised after the November elections. next year
I agree. If Congress doesn't get back to work and start focusing on bringing costs down they will lose out. Its typical though for the party in power to lose the mid terms. So even if they do lose the house it honestly should be expected.

But they need to show some progress if they want to at least minimize the losses. The media and democrats are going to hammer on tge fact that there is inflation even thougj its better than the Biden years. T h e Republicans have been able to do anything to bring costs down except for gas prices.
Upvote 0

What's on your mind?

Today I was looking at a picture hanging in the wall & making a story out of the scene in it.
I'd ask 'In the days of technology, do people still do that?' But when I was growing up, not many seemed to.
We s/n need 'moving pictures.' We can do it in our mind.

Why is it always a peanut butter and jelly sandwich? Why couldn't it be a jelly and peanut butter sandwich? :scratch:
Ha ha my niece was saying the same thing today.
Upvote 0

Am I Weird, Or Is He Weird?

I enjoy hanging out with him when I do, but ultimately I only want the relationship of priest and parishioner. When I said in the OP that John and I were not friends but friendly, that was the best way I could think of to describe it. I've played basketball with him, had lunch with him, had a few long deep talks with him, but he's a family man, and not like one of my actual friends that I'd call up and say "hey, you wanna go do such and such".
After reading all that you've shared, I can better understand why you're now questioning John's recent peculiar response regarding the ballgame. While not close personal friends, you two do definitely appear to have a relationship on some level, and some good history. To approach him with your concerns about this matter sounds very wise to me.

Relationships can so easily fall apart over things like this incident. I guess I haven't wanted to see that happen in this instance, so that's why I've taken the time to respond. You appear to have 'a good thing' going for you in your church. (Such a hard thing that is to find nowadays!) Not to get too spiritual on you, but it's not hard for me to imagine that the 'enemy' (aka 'the great divider'!) might like very much to fracture your relationship with John. Good that you care enough not to let that happen.

God bless! :blush:
Upvote 0

Filter

Forum statistics

Threads
5,877,914
Messages
65,409,427
Members
276,355
Latest member
JulianaB22