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All Praise, Thanks, Glory, Honor & Victory to The Holy Spirit for freeing all the remaining the 7-Oct-2023 Israeli hostages

All Praise, Thanks, Glory, Honor & Victory to The Holy Spirit for freeing all the remaining the 7-Oct-2023 Israeli hostages:

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Another look at the moon landing.

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The moon deception is accepted by the world and the world is not spoken of as a place that is an ally of God. The moon deception proclaims how great man is, so mankind will look to man to solve problems.
Nonsense
But there is coming a day, when God will bring wrath to the world and all man will be able to do, is curse God.
Here we agree.
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The law, the commandments, and Christians.

I already agreed with your original point here The law, the commandments, and Christians.

so I have no idea why you are still asking this.
First of all, Jesus knew far better than anyone that the law could not justify anyone, so why would He tell the young man that he must obey the commandments in order to enter life- unless, perhaps, it was understood in a whole new way, aligned with the new covenant??? Secondly, the old covenant was not about gaining eternal life to begin with! But about realizing peace and prosperity in this life. Jesus taught the gospel, the new covenant, the Way, during His whole ministry. That's why He came.
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Morality without Absolute Morality

Well done. And as there are no acts without context, there is no objective morality.
Which is an incoherent position to take in reality.

Which in itself is enough to say its unreal. Just as unreal as saying someone can defy gravity jumping off a roof without any support.

If the reasoning and logic has to include such an incoherent idea then I think it needs retinking. Its not going to work and will actually cause bad stuff to happen.

An obvious consequence is that it allows crazy ideas into the market place of morality that society has to then fix and keep fixing in a never ending self defeating spiral of chaos lol. Thats the reality of such thinking.
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Med beds are finally here! Coming in two weeks!

I feel like with all that has been happening recently this story slipped under the radar but I think it's incredibly important. In the final days of September 2025 president Donald J Trump shared a Fox News clip of himself endorsing the new med bed health system.

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His daughter-in-law, Lara Trump, host of the broadcast, broke the news : “Breaking. Now, President Donald J. Trump has announced a historic new health care system. The launch of America's first med bed hospitals, and a national Med bed card for every citizen.”

Trump: “Every American will soon receive their own med bed card. With it, you'll have guaranteed access to our new hospitals, led by the top doctors in the nation. Equipped with the most advanced technology in the world, these facilities are safe, modern and designed to restore every citizen to full health and strength. This is the beginning of a new era in American healthcare.”

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The clip has since been deleted from his social media and Trump has been mum about the new med bed system ever since then. Most likely because only a limited number of med bed cards will be available in the first phase and he wants to ensure that every American has full access before scheduling a special press conference at the white house.

According to long time insiders all treatments will be completely free to the public. There might be some scoffers among you who say this all sounds like some kind of ultra socialist utopia. Well... I guess I don't have a counter argument for that.

Now as an aside I want to caution you about the med bed craze that is just starting to unfold in light of this recent announcement. Please make sure you get the Weyland-Yutani brand med beds. These are state of the art and top of the line. The Tesla med beds so I've heard have a tendency to spontaneously burst into flames and you really want to avoid that.

This is a truly life changing announcement and would have been great news for the thousands and thousands of terminally ill people who had been eagerly awaiting the med bed rollout since 2017, were they still alive.

Sadly, scam artists have also been cashing in over the last decade, selling desperate people expensive devices that do nothing, fake cards that are useful nowhere, and treatments that claim to be a panacea but in actuality can't even cure a hangnail.

I can't express how truly repugnant it is to take advantage of people who are dying and in great pain, who have nowhere else to turn and sell them fake hope. As far as grifting goes, that is really the lowest of the low.

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But now the President of USA has officially announced his healthcare reform plan and it's nothing short of revolutionary. Trump had been saying for years he was going to announce his healthcare plan in two weeks and let's all be honest, we didn't believe him. But boy is there egg on our collective faces now.

It makes sense that it took this long considering these new med beds will turn every field of science on its head. It just pains me that for some they arrive a little too late. But for the rest of us the wait is only two more weeks from whatever date you're reading this.
Im sorry but this is a deep fake
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Assembly of God, no longer Pentecostal ?

Are Pentecostal Holiness Pentecostal?
Are Church of God Pentecostal?
Are Congregational Holiness Pentecostal?

A grim reality I have run across over the years is that just because a doctrine states people as spiritual does not mean they are actually spiritual.
let me assure you the free Holiness Churches in far eastern Oklahoma hold fast to the Pentecostal ways ! the Holy Ghost is very evident here !
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The Antichrist is making a comeback

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Verses from John's epistles pertaining to antichrist and the Antichrist

Little children, it is the last hour; and as you have heard that the Antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have come, by which we know that it is the last hour. They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would have continued with us; but they went out that they might be made manifest, that none of them were of us.
But you have an anointing from the Holy One, and you know all things. I have not written to you because you do not know the truth, but because you know it, and that no lie is of the truth.
Who is a liar but he who denies that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist who denies the Father and the Son. Whoever denies the Son does not have the Father either; he who acknowledges the Son has the Father also.
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Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits, whether they are of God; because many false prophets have gone out into the world. By this you know the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is of God, and every spirit that does not confess that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is not of God. And this is the spirit of the Antichrist, which you have heard was coming, and is now already in the world.
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For many deceivers have gone out into the world who do not confess Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist. Look to yourselves, that we do not lose those things we worked for, but that we may receive a full reward.
Whoever transgresses and does not abide in the doctrine of Christ does not have God. He who abides in the doctrine of Christ has both the Father and the Son. If anyone comes to you and does not bring this doctrine, do not receive him into your house nor greet him; for he who greets him shares in his evil deeds.
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Pastor Ché Ahn looks to bring 'revival and reformation' to California governor's race

God may not have you go on an endeavor to win though. There could be several reasons He asks someone to do something whether it be witness or something else.
Sure but when you share a belief about how the government should be more Christian and dominate society, you have to think he is running to win.

Here is Sean Feucht's thoughts on his Congressional race. He came in 3rd in the GOP primary.

"When I felt the leading of the Lord to run for US Congress in 2019 (right before the pandemic and the birth of LET US WORSHIP), one of the advisors God sent my way told me:

“It’s not just about winning an election — it’s about moving the needle. It’s about bringing the Kingdom into the US Capitol… inviting the Presence of God back to DC.”

Never in my wildest dreams would I have imagined capturing a live worship album inside the US Capitol five years later and releasing it to the world. It will forever be a soundtrack for people to pray over the nation and truly MOVE THE NEEDLE with their intercession."
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How do we set aside the grace of God?

Genesis 15:6 Then he believed in the Lord; and He reckoned it to him as righteousness. NASU

So, you say God lied to Abraham? If Abraham still had to do something to earn his righteousness, he was not really righteous because when God imputed righteousness to him.
I have never claimed that we need to do anything in order to earn our righteousness, but rather I have said that the one and only way to become righteous is through faith, and I have corrected on this before, so why are you continuing to burn that straw man instead of interacting with what I’ve said?
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Labor Dept warns Immigration Policies Threaten Stability of the Domestic Food Supply

The ruling powers all over the earth don't care. They even treat God's children like chattel (commodities to be traded, used, bought and sold).
Exactly. Immigrants are coming from governments that control all the wealth. It goes into their hands. Now these want them to come here so we can give money over to feed them ect. Nah, they just like people that are used to this. And appreciate a kind good country, not realizing they are being used. to break this country.
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Pepper Sprayed While Evangelizing

If all are called to preach as you say, why are only some given to be Evangelists? Not everyone has the evangelist calling. Ephesians 4:11 Amplified:

And [His gifts to the church were varied and] He Himself appointed some as apostles [special messengers, representatives], some as prophets [who speak a new message from God to the people], some as evangelists [who spread the good news of salvation], and some as pastors and teachers [to shepherd and guide and instruct].
This is a common misunderstanding about the gift of evangelism. Many think that someone with this gift will automatically go out and see many saved, but that’s something all Christians are called to do.

The reason for the confusion is that people often stop at Ephesians 4:11. But if we continue to verse 12, we see that the gift of evangelism is given not for outreach to outsiders, but to equip the church. Those with this gift help teach and train others to share the Gospel effectively, so that the whole body of Christ will be able to go out and share. Then unbelievers will believe and the body of Christ will increase in number and is built up.
"So Christ himself gave the apostles, the prophets, the evangelists, the pastors and teachers, 12 to equip his people for works of service, so that the body of Christ may be built up." Ephesians 4:11-12 NIV

Even though the disciples had a mandate from Jesus to preach the Gospel they were also guided by the Holy Spirit.
It wasn’t just the disciples who were guided by the Holy Spirit, every believer who has the Spirit is guided and empowered. Jesus promised this before His ascension:
‘But you will receive power when the Holy Spirit comes on you; and you will be my witnesses in Jerusalem, and in all Judea and Samaria, and to the ends of the earth.’ Acts 1:8

This promise wasn’t only for the apostles. All who are in Christ have the Spirit (Romans 8:9) and are called to bear witness to Him. Paul makes it clear that every believer is to proclaim the Gospel in some way:
‘Preach the word; be prepared in season and out of season; correct, rebuke and encourage—with great patience and careful instruction.’ 2 Timothy 4:2

And Peter reminds us:
‘But in your hearts revere Christ as Lord. Always be prepared to give an answer to everyone who asks you to give the reason for the hope that you have. But do this with gentleness and respect.’ 1 Peter 3:15

So just as the disciples were guided by the Spirit in their ministry, we too are empowered and commissioned. Every Christian has a mandate to witness, to share the hope of Christ, and to participate in building up the body of believers.
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Emergency abortion denials by Catholic hospitals put woman in danger, after her water broke at 17 weeks, lawsuit claims

Do you have knowledge that the woman was "bleeding to death, or close to it"? All I know from the article is that her amniotic membrane ruptured.
In a repeat of her past experience, her lawsuit alleges, staff members told her they could not provide the care she sought due to the fetal heartbeat. She was able to access care at another hospital, her complaint says, but experienced sepsis and heavy blood loss in the process.
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The Beast of Revelation is a Political and Religious Entity.

Amo2, it’s been a while since your last response. It is my prayer that what I’ve shared with you has troubled you, and caused you to reconsider you understanding of closing events. May the Holy Spirit give you encouragement to be open to new insights.

In our previous posts we have dealt with the first beast (FB) of Rev. 13. In this post I will address the second beast, which I will refer to as the Lamb Like Beast (LLB). Most likely you will understand it as the United States, as that is how we as Adventist interpret it.

The LLB will have power that exceeds the (FB), for it will make the inhabitants of earth worship the FB. This fact makes it impossible for the LLB to be a nation. According to Dan. 2, no one nation will rule the world again.

In the late 1,600’s prophetic expositors in Europe thought it possible that the new emerging world of America could be the LLB. They built their reasoning on the fact that beasts in the book of Daniel were nations, so the LLB of Rev., must be a nation as well. Many Protestants brought this idea with them when they settled America. Then, in the 1830’s William Miller reached a conclusion that Christ would appear about 1844, thus Dan., and Rev., would have to be fulfilled. In this context, he and others searched the prophetic positions of earlier reformation writers and recent history to find events that could be used to satisfy the prophecies of Dan., and Rev., which included the LLB being the United States.

The understanding of the early Historicist that a beast in apocalypse prophecy is a nation or power, is an invalid hermeneutic. One must understand that a valid hermeneutic has no exception. With this fact in mind, would you deny that a dragon or lamb is a beast? Of course not. Yet in Rev., both are mentioned, the dragon being Satan and the lamb being Christ, therefore, that hermeneutic is invalid. That invalid hermeneutic led William Miller to accept the LLB of Rev., 11 as the United States of which we as Adventists strongly defend to this day. In Rev., story none of the four beast are nations.

Since the FB represents the religious and political powers of the world acting under Satan’s control. When Satan comes out of the earth/spirit realm, at the sounding of the fifth trumpet, two thirds of the way into the tribulation (2-1/2 yrs.), after being cast into the earth earlier in (Rev.,12:9), he will encourage the world to worship the FB according to their respective religion. The Bible says He acts on behalf of the FB, which is also referred as Babylon (Meaning Confusion) latter on in Rev., story. When the FB has gathered enough support , Satan will then force the world to establish an image to the FB/ Babylon. In Rev., 17 the image is the harlot sitting on the FB. This is how Satan will become the eighth king according to Rev. 17:11.

The LLB/ Satan/Thee Antichrist will gain control of most of the world through his miracle working powers, even calling fire down out of heaven. This will serve as confirmation that Satan is God. After the image is set up, a one world church/state and He as God, he will decree that all who refuse to worship him by receiving his name or his number, 666 tattooed on their right hand to be killed. Those refusing will have no earthly means to buy or sell in order to obtain food. This of course would include the saints. This is Satan’s plan to ferret out the saints. This will be the test of the living, to see who has faith even unto death.

The tribulation is a time of wrath, both from God and Satan, Thee Antichrist. The only way the remnant will survive is by faith in God. The tribulation forces the living into one of two camps, those who obey Satan, The Antichrist for survival or those who obey God because they trust in Him. This is the final exam for earth. The issue that will separate and polarize the people of earth is faith in God. The living will pass judgment upon themselves based of whom they choose to worship during the trumpet judgements. The sounding of the seventh trumpet marks the end of probation. Then follows the seven bowl judgements/seven last plagues poured out on those having Satan’s number 666 tattooed on their right hand or his name on the foreheads of his leaders.

I mention again this will naturally be hard to grasp the first time through, but reading it through a couple more times will make more sense each time. And too, as I said before, the prophecies will make more sense just as they read. Do they not?


You may choose to look the other way but you can never say again, I never heard that before.
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Speaker Johnson describes planned No Kings rally as ‘hate America,’ ‘pro-Hamas’ gathering

A narrative informed by actual abuse of power by this president:

- deporting people with no due process
- detaining citizens based on their appearance
-snatching students off our streets by masked agents
-calling the democratic party, and now No King's protesters, terrorists....

Basically SCOTUS has, "temporarily" at least, given permission to racially profile.



“DHS law enforcement uses ‘reasonable suspicion’ to make arrests,” Assistant Secretary Tricia McLaughlin said in a statement. “What makes someone a target for immigration enforcement is if they are illegally in the U.S. — NOT their skin color, race, or ethnicity." McLaughlin did not address why Venegas was detained twice even though he's a U.S. citizen.

People have been warning about NSPM 7.




The problem is that the vast majority of political violence of it is not coming from the places that Trump, via NSPM-7, is ordering federal law enforcement to look. The week before Trump’s new memo went out, the Department of Justice removed a report from its website that showed “the number of far-right attacks continues to outpace all other types of terrorism and domestic violent extremism.”

“Since 1990, far-right extremists have committed far more ideologically motivated homicides than far-left or radical Islamist extremists, including 227 events that took more than 520 lives,” the now-archived report reads. “In this same period, far-left extremists committed 42 ideologically motivated attacks that took 78 lives.”

White House Deputy Press Secretary Abigail Jackson inadvertently cited similar statistics when she posted a chart with the headline, “Left-wing terrorism climbs to 30-year high” — a chart that shows that, since 2016, there have been almost four times as many attacks by right-wing terrorists as attacks by left-wingers.

But the same week as Trump’s speech, and amid the administration’s new crackdown, Kash Patel, the director of the FBI, announced that the agency has cut ties with both the Anti-Defamation League and the Southern Poverty Law Center — two of the nation’s leading anti-hate groups, devoted to combating anti-semitism and white nationalism, respectively. (This, after a lobbying campaign by a right-wing influencers.)
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Charlie Kirk on Mary

All of the catholic 'teachings' say otherwise for centuries now.
Instead of obeying Jesus, obey man put in Jesus' place wrongly, by tradition, sinfully.
Nope. We have always obeyed Jesus. None of the Church’s teachings are sinful. Period.
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