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Why Zohran Mamdani won and New York will pay a terrible price

Do cops make arrests with 100% of their engagement?
What if the person just needs mental health support?
I can say right now that having someone who is trained and CAPABLE at de-escalation will do 100% more good than a cop pointing a gun at a problem.
Many, many times.
So, cops shouldn't stop a mentally ill person from causing harm or destruction?

After all, they're just mentally sick people, right?
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We don't grow coffee, bannans and other fruits

President Donald Trump eliminated tariffs on agricultural products from Brazil with an executive order Thursday, his latest move to try to lower grocery prices.

This means key food imports from Brazil like coffee and beef, which were subject to 40% tariff rates, will now enter the U.S. tariff-free.

"After considering the information and recommendations these officials have provided to me and the status of negotiations with the Government of Brazil, among other things, I have determined that it is necessary and appropriate to modify the scope of products subject to the additional ad valorem rate of duty imposed under Executive Order 14323," the order said.


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The Church Divided

Now I exhort you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that you all agree and that there be no divisions among you, but that you be made complete in the same mind and in the same judgment. For I have been informed concerning you, my brethren, by Chloe’s people, that there are quarrels among you. Now I mean this, that each one of you is saying, “I am of Paul,” and “I of Apollos,” and “I of Cephas,” and “I of Christ.” Has Christ been divided? Paul was not crucified for you, was he? Or were you baptized in the name of Paul? I thank God that I baptized none of you except Crispus and Gaius, so that no one would say you were baptized in my name. Now I did baptize also the household of Stephanas; beyond that, I do not know whether I baptized any other. (1 Corinthians 1:10-16 NASB1995)

So, what is the message that we are to receive from this passage of Scripture to be applied to our lives today? Where do we have divisions in the church? Where do we see that Christians, or those who make professions of faith in Jesus Christ, have become followers of man instead of followers of Christ, or over and above following Jesus Christ? And not just followers of man, but in many cases they have become worshipers of man in place of becoming worshipers of God. Where do we see this happening today?

Well, first of all let’s define “church” according to the Scriptures, for it is not what so many have made it into being in our world today. The church is the people of God who have trusted in Jesus Christ to be Lord and Savior of their lives. By God-gifted faith in Jesus Christ we have been crucified with Christ in death to sin and raised with Christ to walk in newness of life in him, no longer to live as slaves to sin, but now as servants of the Lord and of his righteousness. We, the people of God, are the church. There is no other!

[Rom 12:1-2; 1 Co 3:17; 1 Co 6:19-20; Eph 1:4; Eph 2:21; Eph 5:27; Col 1:22; Col 3:12; 2 Tim 1:9; 2 Tim 2:21; 1 Pet 1:13-16; 1 Pet 2:5-9; Titus 2:11-14; Ac. 2:42-47; Ro. 12:3-8; 1 Co. 12:1-31; and Eph. 4:1-16]

So, what is commonly referred to as “the church” in our culture, at least here in the USA, is not the biblical church, the body of Christ, with Christ as her head. But they are businesses which are incorporated under (joined, merged with) the government (the state) and with the world, which God forbids. And they have largely been turned into marketplaces to be marketed to the people of the world, which God also forbids. And largely they are altering God’s design for his church and the gospel of Christ in order to “draw in large crowds of people” into their gatherings, to increase numbers.

[Matthew 21:12-13; John 2:13-17; Acts 5:27-32; 1 Corinthians 1:10-13; 1 Corinthians 3:1-9; 2 Corinthians 6:14-18; Philippians 3:18-19; Revelation 2:1-29; Revelation 3:1-22; Revelation 13:5-8; Revelation 18:1-5]

And largely they are divided by church denominations, such as Baptist, Methodist, Episcopalian, Lutheran, Presbyterian, Charismatic denominations, and Christian and Missionary Alliance, and more. And they are following these denominations and their founders and their theologies and their theologians and their pastors, sometimes as though they are gods to be worshipped and followed above God and above the teachings of the Scriptures. And they call these gatherings “the church.”

And many of these modernized and market-driven gatherings called “church” are acting more like cults with pastors acting like cult leaders, which is anti-biblical. But it is the modern way. It is the market-driven way. But the biblical church is not a building called “church.” It is not a place you go to. It is not a church denomination. And it is not incorporated (merged) with the state. Jesus Christ is her only head, and she follows him and his teachings in the Scriptures, as led by the Holy Spirit, and not by marketing literature.

And our gatherings are not to be led by one man doing all the preaching while we sit in pews or chairs as spectators during a “church service” which we have no part of other than to sing along with songs usually picked out by one person, and often, more than not, which are pretty weak spiritually and biblically speaking. That is not God’s design for his church. All of us are to have a part in the gatherings, and all of us have been gifted of God and are ministers in Christ’s church. All the body parts are necessary!!

Should there be order to the gatherings? Absolutely! Should we have overseers? Yes! But they are to be those who are training all of us for the work of the ministry, and who are equipping the saints of God for the work of the ministry, and who are giving us opportunities within the body of Christ to minister to one another, according to the teachings of the Scriptures. For we are to be exhorting and encouraging one another daily, and we are to be speaking the truth of God’s word to one another so that none of us is led astray by crafty people in deceitful scheming and by sin’s deceitfulness.

And overseers are to rule by example, not harshly as lording it over the people. And they are there to keep law and order, but they should also be there to make sure that every working body part has the opportunity to use their body parts and their giftedness to encourage the rest of the body. But we are to do our parts, not just in the gatherings of the body of Christ, but out in the world, too, in sharing the message of the gospel, and in encouraging our fellow Christians in their walks of faith in obedience to God.

So, summing it up, we are not to be divided, for we are all one body, and we should treat one another as though we are all one body, the body of Christ. And we need to remember that we the people of faith in Jesus Christ are the church, not these institutions of human origin which are partnered with the world and with the government in order to attract the world to their gatherings. And we are never to alter the gospel of our salvation in order to attract the world, but we are to always preach the truth of what Jesus and his New Testament apostles taught for the salvation of people from sin.

[Matthew 5:13-16; Matthew 28:18-20; John 4:31-38; John 13:13-17; John 14:12; Acts 1:8; Acts 2:14-18,42-47; Acts 26:18; Romans 10:14-15; Romans 12:1-8; 1 Corinthians 12:1-31; 1 Corinthians 14:1-5; Galatians 6:1; Ephesians 2:8-10; Ephesians 4:1-16; Ephesians 5:11-21; Ephesians 6:10-20; Philippians 2:1-8; Colossians 3:12-16; Titus 2:11-14; Hebrews 3:13; Hebrews 10:23-25; James 5:19-20; 1 Peter 2:9,21; 1 John 2:6]

As the Deer

By Martin J. Nystrom
Based off Psalm 42:1


As the deer panteth for the water
So my soul longeth after You
You alone are my heart's desire
And I long to worship You

You alone are my strength, my shield
To You alone may my spirit yield
You alone are my heart's desire
And I long to worship You

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The Church Divided
An Original Work / November 21, 2025
Christ’s Free Servant, Sue J Love

He’s a citizen with a Real ID. ICE detained him anyway. Twice.

It’s amazing that you do not argue issues, but resort to ad hominem attacks. My emotional state is irrelevant to the discussion, and I assure you that your perception of such is in your mind only, and you do not have the authority to tell me what I am thinking, nor what to think.
I have been discussing my issue with the trampling of the 4th amendment and the profiling of people just based on their skin color or appearance. You are the one going off in all kinds of tangents. Secondly, there is no ad hom. I don’t do those.

I’m done with you. Have a blessed day.
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What we need is an economy that works for most Americans.....

As a libertarian do you think federal meddling is going to fix the economy for everyone? That there is some benevolent motive from the federal overlords that is bound to bring us into utopia?

The whole framing of the issue as, "How the federal government can create an economy that works for everyone," is remarkably naive. It is just another symptom of the top-downism that is the problem in the first place.
There are things we can do to reduce monopolies and concentration of wealth. But there’s no simple action that is going to make things like housing and health less expensive. Housing is mostly not a Federal problem, and health requires things that neither party is willing to do. The federal,government does plenty of useful things. My concern is that voters want it to do things it can’t, and aren’t holding it accountable for doing the things it can competently. That is going to lead to a continuing parade of charlatans, possibly of alternating parties.
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Hell doesn't exist and there is no eternal suffering, instead bad peolle just cease to exist

Well, at least you moved off the physical eye, which was the general point

My suggestion is that we know people by their fruits.

Love your neighbors as YOURSELF = GOOD FRUIT

Thinking they'll burn alive forever = You can not HATE your neighbors any more than this

I consider the later position a DEMONIC position and imposition. Nothing personal. Just identification of the parties


Really? Jesus actually being the successful Savior of the WORLD doesn't convince you?

You'd rather have a loser in charge? I don't think so
If you insist on equating a love and reverence for God and His Holy Word as hatred for ones neighbor, by all means, carry on.

You seem to freely pick and choose whatever words suit your narrative at any given time, so I see no point in discussing this topic any further.

As I previously stated, God will do as He pleases. It is my sincere prayer that He chooses mercy. Whatever He actually does in the end, will undoubtedly be just.

Take care neighbor.
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Presentation of the Blessed Virgin Mary

The consecration of Mary to God presented all the conditions of the most perfect sacrifice: it was prompt, generous, joyous, unregretted, without reservation. How agreeable it must have been to God! May our consecration of ourselves to God be made under Her patronage, assisted by Her powerful intercession and united with Her ineffable merits.

Presentation of the Blessed Virgin Mary propers & commentary(EF)

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The Presentation of the Blessed Virgin Mary

Our Lady’s Presentation, and the Perfect Gift of Self

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Saints of the Day

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Eve and the Fallacy of Moral Choices

For example, what does “lawlessness was already at work within both Adam…Eve” mean?
Cited Mark 7:21-23, that evil thoughts defile everyone, A&E included, and referenced by Paul here for example:

Romans 11:32

For God has bound everyone over to disobedience so that he may have mercy on them all.

In addition to sin being "of the devil," 1 John 3:8

I know the drive to blame Adam and Eve and leave out the DEVIL from the equations is strong, and this happens when we are in denial of having the tempter in our own minds. It's a given principle in scripture.

Simply, there’s nothing in the plain text meaning or textual meaning of that Genesis verse claiming, alleging, inferring, or implying Eve had or experienced “lust.”
Just addressed with bling above if you want to browse it

In any case Eve was clearly contemplating BREAKING GODS COMMAND in her MIND prior to eating i.e. LAWLESS THOUGHTS against God's Command, even stating the command erroneously, adding to God's Words (another violation).

Let's just say that believers who only condemn Adam and Eve and leave the DEVIL, the TEMPTER out of the picture clearly missed the picture for them, and more than likely miss it for themselves as well, to this day
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The Miraculous Medal Novena

Day 4... 11/21/25

O Immaculate Virgin Mary, Mother of Our Lord Jesus and our Mother, penetrated with the most lively confidence in your all-powerful and never-failing intercession, manifested so often through the Miraculous Medal, we your loving and trustful children implore you to obtain for us the graces and favors we ask during this Novena, if they be beneficial to our immortal souls, and the souls for whom we pray.

(Privately form your petitions here.)

You know, O Mary, how often our souls have been the sanctuaries of your Son who hates iniquity. Obtain for us, then, a deep hatred of sin and that purity of heart, which will attach us to God alone so that our every thought word and deed may tend to his greater glory. Obtain for us also a spirit of prayer and self-denial, that we may recover by penance what we have lost by sin, and at length attain to that blessed abode where you are the Queen of angels and of men. Amen.
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SO HOW DO YOU KNOW YOU ARE SAVED ??

And 1 John 5:18 says that whosoever is BORN. of God does NOT. SIN. !!

And in 1. John 1:8 says If we say. that we have no SIN WE DECIVE. OURSELFS and the TRUTH is nor in us !!

What says you and their is and ANSWER. and will you believe it ?? I say NO. as you seem. to entrenched in. WATER !!

Good luck. !!

dan p
Dan, I really don't get your point. Are you trying to condemn me for some reason you can't quite pin down???
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Federal judges block Texas from using its new US House map in the 2026 midterms


A federal court on Tuesday blocked Texas from using a redrawn U.S. House map that touched off a nationwide redistricting battle and is a major piece of President Donald Trump’s efforts to preserve a slim Republican majority ahead of the 2026 elections.
The ruling is a blow to Trump’s rush to create a more favorable political landscape for Republicans in next year’s midterms, at least for now. Texas filed an appeal Tuesday evening with the U.S. Supreme Court after Gov. Greg Abbott and other Republicans publicly defended the map, which was engineered to give Republicans five additional House seats.
In a 2-1 ruling, a panel of federal judges in El Paso sided with opponents who argued that Texas’ unusual summer redrawing of congressional districts would harm Black and Hispanic residents. The decision was authored by U.S. District Judge Jeffrey V. Brown, a Trump nominee from the president’s first term.
“To be sure, politics played a role in drawing the 2025 Map. But it was much more than just politics. Substantial evidence shows that Texas racially gerrymandered the 2025 Map,” the ruling states.
Very unfortunate for Abbott and Texas Republicans. And I guess the GOP overall.
This article describes how it might hurt the GOP. 3 reasons Republicans’ redistricting power grab might backfire

"But sometimes the effort backfires: In trying to maximize their seats, a party spreads its voters too thin and fails to make some districts safe enough. These vulnerable districts can then flip to the other party in future elections, and the opposing party ends up winning more seats than expected.

This phenomenon, commonly referred to as “dummymandering,” has happened before. It even happened in Texas, where Republicans lost a large handful of poorly drawn state legislative districts in the Dallas suburbs in 2018, a strong year for Democrats nationwide. With Democrats poised for a strong 2026 midterm election against an unpopular president, this is a lesson Republicans might need to pay attention to."
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Who then can be saved?

Um...Institutes of the Christian Religion is theology. What theology do you study-Jack Chick? Anyway, it appears you're again sure of what you don't know.
Wow, you don't even know what theology means. And you believe there are many gods, so we are worlds apart. You can have your religion all to yourself, it is an abomination to me.
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The Lord's Wrath - How will it Happen

Does what the Bible Prophets tell us, have no real meaning for you, or others here. Is it all just Spiritual?
The Prophecy in Zechariah 9:9 was really fulfilled. How can people say other Prophesies, obviously unfulfilled, but which can, feasibly be fulfilled; will not be?

The current situation in the Middle East, is untenable and cannot continue. God has said that He is going to resolve it. Jeremiah 12:14, +
I say: Bring it on Lord!
Show me where in the Bible it says Jerusalem is in Palestine.

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“Spacious” and “flowing with milk and honey” doesn’t fit the description of a small piece of barren desert.
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Are the Jews Israel, or is the church Israel? Or does it depend on the context of the passage?

LOL. Just change the Bible to suit your false teaching. This is another reason to reject Pretrib and Premil.

I was supporting your point that the olive tree refers to true Israel
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Trump's history of acts of kindness and generosity

I’ve no doubt that all these so called acts of kindness are to cover up for some malfeasance.

He gave a porn star a bunch of money. Was he just being kind?
Let's verify that they actually happened before we debate how kind these acts really were.

I don't think that Trump is completely unable to perform acts of kindness. But I do believe that he is not the type to do so quietly or secretly without anyone knowing about them.
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Street Preaching

This is one of the better threads I've encountered here in the forum, lots of sharing, no shouting, obviously a bunch of people who are genuinely concerned for the lost, as am I.

For what its worth, and this is just my opinion, I think there are far too many brothers out in the streets preaching that were never called by God to do so, or were called by God but have not put the necessary preparation into their ministry to be effective.

For anyone who may already be in the street preaching, or believes that God may be placing such a burden on their hearts, I highly recommend the book.
"The Ministry of Gods Word"
by Watchman Nee

If you are unaware of Brother Nee, he planted many churches in China before spending the last twenty years of his life in prison for his faith in Christ. He's Chinese obviously, so one must keep in mind that he has a much different way of seeing things than we do here in the West, and as far as I know, he never learned English and all of his books are translations, which can lead to some confusion when trying to grasp the profound thoughts that God so clearly placed upon his heart. That being said, the book I mentioned above is the best explanation I have read about how the Holy Spirit works through men to deliver divine revelation sufficient for saving faith.

Unfortunately, Nee had a protégé named Witness Lee who travelled to America and a rather creepy cult has sprang up around the person and his teachings, which has caused many to lump them both together. They are worlds apart.

If we truly desire to serve God through evangelism, we must first be sure that this is also Gods divine will for our life. Sharing Christ through our example, our love, and always being willing and ready to boldly profess Christ when the Spirit moves upon our hearts to do so is the duty, and should be the desire of every believer. However, being called by God to the ministry of an Evangelist is a much different thing, and requires a level of surrender and devotion that would be uncommon for the average saint.

I hope that most of us here have had the experience of speaking the truth into the heart and mind of another individual by the Spirit, watching the Spirit work in that persons life through direct revelation, with power and conviction, its a truly blessed thing to be a part of. It certainly has not been the norm in my own experience, but I have experienced it, it's humbling to say the least.

But being a part of that ministry as a matter of daily occurrence, has been the domain of a select few of Gods chosen servants. I believe that scripture and history declare this to be true.

Sorry for the long post.

Yah alone be praised.
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God is Faithful

“To the church of God which is at Corinth, to those who have been sanctified in Christ Jesus, saints by calling, with all who in every place call on the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, their Lord and ours: Grace to you and peace from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.

“I thank my God always concerning you for the grace of God which was given you in Christ Jesus, that in everything you were enriched in Him, in all speech and all knowledge, even as the testimony concerning Christ was confirmed in you, so that you are not lacking in any gift, awaiting eagerly the revelation of our Lord Jesus Christ, who will also confirm you to the end, blameless in the day of our Lord Jesus Christ. God is faithful, through whom you were called into fellowship with His Son, Jesus Christ our Lord.” (1 Corinthians 1:2-9 NASB1995)

This is a picture of what it should look like if our faith in Jesus Christ is of God, and not of the flesh. For to be sanctified is to be made holy, and to be holy is to be separate (unlike, different) from the world because we are being conformed by God to the likeness of character of Jesus Christ. We are recipients of God’s grace, and God’s grace, which is bringing us salvation, is training us to renounce ungodliness and worldly passions and to live self-controlled, upright, and godly lives while we await our Lord’s return.

[see Titus 2:11-14; Romans 6:1-23; Romans 8:1-14; and Romans 12:1-2]

Now, it is important to note here that God is always faithful. He will always do what he said he would do. But if he promises judgment on certain people, and they repent, he may relent as he did with Nineveh. But we need to understand what the will of God is for our lives and what all he requires of us, because he does not promise salvation from sin and eternal life with God to all who merely profess his name, but then who go on living in sin and in disobedience to our Lord’s commands. We must be faithful to the call of God.

But does that make us perfect? No! Might we still fail in some areas? We might. Could we still sin? Yes! (1 John 2:1-2). But the Scriptures, as a whole, make it quite clear that if sin is what we practice, and not obedience to God, and if we do not repent of our sin, and if we will not obey God, that we will not have salvation from sin, and we will not inherit eternal life with God. So we cannot just make a profession of faith in Jesus Christ and then consider that God will be faithful in letting us into his heaven when we die.

Examples of the Above

“I do all things for the sake of the gospel, so that I may become a fellow partaker of it. Do you not know that those who run in a race all run, but only one receives the prize? Run in such a way that you may win. Everyone who competes in the games exercises self-control in all things. They then do it to receive a perishable wreath, but we an imperishable. Therefore I run in such a way, as not without aim; I box in such a way, as not beating the air; but I discipline my body and make it my slave, so that, after I have preached to others, I myself will not be disqualified.” (1 Corinthians 9:23-27 NASB1995)

What was Paul teaching here? He was not teaching works salvation, but he was teaching that how we live matters to God, and it matters for our salvation from sin and our eternal life with God. We cannot just make professions of faith in Jesus Christ and then go on living for the flesh, doing whatever it is that we want to do without regard for God and for his commands. Is God still faithful? Amen! But we must be faithful, too. For if we disobey our Lord, in practice, we will not have eternal life with God.

And one more chapter over, and Paul gives the example of the Israelites who wandered in the wilderness for 40 years. God was displeased with most of them, and he put most of them to death because they were practicing idolatry, drunkenness, revelry, and immorality, and they grumbled against God and they put God to the test, and they refused to repent. So, not only did they not get to go into the Promised Land, but they did not get to enter into God’s eternal rest (salvation from sin and eternal life with God).

So, please know that you cannot stop reading at 1 Corinthians 1:1-9 and assume that because you made a profession of faith in Jesus Christ that all your sins are forgiven and heaven is now guaranteed you upon death. For Jesus Christ made it clear that if anyone would come after him, he must deny self, die to sin daily, and walk in obedience to our Lord’s commands. For not all who call him Lord will enter the kingdom of heaven, but those who are obeying God’s commands (see Luke 9:23-26; Matthew 7:21-23).

[Matthew 7:13-14,21-23; Luke 9:23-26; John 10:27-30; Acts 26:18; Romans 1:18-32; Romans 2:5-10; Romans 3:23; Romans 6:1-23; Romans 8:1-14; 1 Corinthians 10:1-22; Galatians 5:16-24; Ephesians 2:8-10; Ephesians 4:17-32; Ephesians 5:3-6; Titus 2:11-14; Hebrews 3:1-19; Hebrews 4:1-13; Hebrews 10:19-39; Hebrews 12:1-2; 1 Peter 2:24; 1 John 1:1-10; 1 John 2:3-6; 1 John 3:4-10; Revelation 2:1-29; Revelation 3:1-22]

Oh, to Be Like Thee, Blessed Redeemer

Lyrics by Thomas O. Chisholm, 1897
Music by W. J. Kirkpatrick, 1897


Oh, to be like Thee! blessèd Redeemer,
This is my constant longing and prayer;
Gladly I’ll forfeit all of earth’s treasures,
Jesus, Thy perfect likeness to wear.

Oh, to be like Thee! full of compassion,
Loving, forgiving, tender and kind,
Helping the helpless, cheering the fainting,
Seeking the wandering sinner to find.

O to be like Thee! lowly in spirit,
Holy and harmless, patient and brave;
Meekly enduring cruel reproaches,
Willing to suffer others to save.

O to be like Thee! while I am pleading,
Pour out Thy Spirit, fill with Thy love;
Make me a temple meet for Thy dwelling,
Fit me for life and Heaven above.

Oh, to be like Thee! Oh, to be like Thee,
Blessèd Redeemer, pure as Thou art;
Come in Thy sweetness, come in Thy fullness;
Stamp Thine own image deep on my heart.

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God is Faithful
An Original Work / November 21, 2025
Christ’s Free Servant, Sue J Love

Bill Gates Says Climate Change ‘Will Not Lead to Humanity’s Demise’

You are a rational and intelligent man. You do things with a purpose, to convey a certain message.
Either you have the courage to state your message clearly, unambiguously or you don't have that courage.
I watch YouTube shorts. Sometimes when one comes up that addresses the topic of a thread I post it. That's all there is to it. And once in a while someone way over reacts to it.
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Stepping from Fog into Sunlight: What is your "Holy Ground" moment?

When the house lights dim and the first chord rings out, something shifts inside me—like stepping from fog into sunlight?

Share your "holy ground" moment: What sound, smell, or sight instantly shifts your perspective and tells you, "I am now in God's presence"?

Is entering worship only in a Church?

Finally, what's one sentence that captures that feeling?
What does this have to do with ethics and morality? Shouldn’t it be in the Christians Only section?
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