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Dan1988 · 2025-12-03T02:34:16-0600

eleos1954 said:
Ecclesiastes 9:5, 10 is cited to support the belief that the dead "know nothing" and have no activity or knowledge in the grave (Sheol).

Psalm 146:4 states that when a person dies, their thoughts perish.

Psalm 115:17 indicates that the dead do not praise the Lord.

Job 14:10-12 describes death as a state of lying down until a future resurrection.

Genesis 3:19, concerning returning to dust, is seen as the punishment for sin, rather than eternal torment.

John 11:11-14, where Jesus describes Lazarus' death as a "sleep," is interpreted as a metaphor for the unconscious state of death before resurrection.

Ecclesiastes 9:5-10 should be interpreted as Solomons "under the sun" perspective, meaning it describes life and death from a purely earthly, human point of view, without the full revelation of the afterlife found in the New Testament. The passage serves to highlight the vanity and futility of seeking meaning and fulfillment only in worldly accomplishments and pleasures.

The understanding of the afterlife was limited in the Old Testament compared to the clear teachings of Jesus and the Apostles in the New Testament (e.g., Jesus' resurrection and the promise of eternal life).

The statement that "the dead know nothing" (Ecclesiastes 9:5) is saying, the dead have no further activity or share in earthly affairs. It does not contradict the New Testament teaching that the soul/spirit lives on and returns to God.

All of the other verses you referred to support the Bible doctrine of Eternal Conscious Torment in hell.

MotoToTheMax · 2025-12-03T02:28:24-0600

Nithavela said:
Well, there we have it. Comitting the textbook example of a war crime is "bold and brave". Extreme solutions are needed to save the lives of your people. You just have to be keep being brutal to solve the problem.

This kind of reasoning has been used to rationalise the worst atrocities of mankind. But with an army as strong as yours and the world too fractured to oppose you, perhaps this time you can kill your way to utopia.

According to this post you sound awfully pro-terrorist. Shame!

rjs330 · 2025-12-03T02:25:46-0600

rambot said:
What's different between you and me is that I don't consider a female body "weird looking".

A man cannot have a female body. A man can have surgeries in order to try and look like a female, but they do not have a female body.

A2SG · 2025-12-03T02:22:19-0600

Oompa Loompa said:
So you are saying that you could not answer the question because you could not determine if it was a cat, or a representation of a cat?

No, I said I answered the question. Exactly as I intended.

Oompa Loompa said:
You are not helping your argument at all.

What argument do you think I'm making, exactly?

Oompa Loompa said:
In fact, you are making it much worse. The fact that we are even having this discussion proves there is an ideological barrier preventing discernment of reality.

Actually, the fact that we are even having this discussion proves both of us have too much time on our hands.

-- A2SG, the internet really makes distracting yourself a heck of a lot easier...

Ophiolite · 2025-12-03T02:18:16-0600

Warden_of_the_Storm said:
Nothings being hid, because people have repeatedly gone to the North Pole.

You can even go yourself.

And I still do not get your line of argument. Posting screenshots of Google searches is... nothing except posting screenshots of Google searches.

When one has no training in, or seemingly no awareness of, the skill of critical thinking and the application of logic, it very easy to confuse assertions with evidence and beliefs with proof. If one is raised in such an enviroment I imagine it is very difficult to break free from the clutches of mindless nonsense.

lismore said:
When I was in primary school I remember being given a school book about evolution, diagrams of a fish like creature crawling onto land an artist's impression of ape men sitting round a camp fire having a jolly, based on a single tooth. The people who produce such drivel for children were evidently ideologically driven blinkered zealots, but I have even encountered people in the church who would irrationally defend this stuff.

If your exposure to evolutionary theory is based on a book for primary school children it is hardly surprising you have such a distorted understanding. Perhaps if you were to dip into a handful of the thousands of textbooks on evolution, or the millions of research papers, then the scales on your eyes would fall away and you could view the magnificence of the bioshphere and celebrate the means by which your God created the diversity of life on the planet.

rjs330 · 2025-12-03T02:16:22-0600

BCP1928 said:
We were just exploring various forms of non standard gender expression.

Why? It has nothing to do with being transgendered or whether or not a person is a boy or a girl.

Nithavela · 2025-12-03T02:13:43-0600

stevevw said:
And once upon a time it would have been considered mass murder and horrific that boat loads of drugs were killing a million people in a generation. More than all the major wars in the 20th century.

Once upon a time we were tough on drugs and crime. Now more people are dying than in wars because we allowed drugs and crime to get out of hand. Its all subjective and depends on what you think is the greater wrong.

Actually once upon a time Christians and most people supported the death penalty and supported a war on evil. Understoof that sometimes evil is met with bad consequences.

Now there's an adversion to even acknowledge there is such a thing called sin. That wrong doing cannot be helped because someone has been oppressed and never had enough love. So we have to go soft on crime and wrong doing. Let people steal as they are disadvantaged, give them 20 chances before we jail them because they are misunderstood.

I think its time reality came back and part of that is there are consequences for bad behaviour and let those consequences happen and stop protecting people from them. It just makes it far worse.

No just a couple of boats and suddenly the drug trade stops and we are saving 1,00s of lives. No one dares try that again. Its easy. Rather than all this compromise and cotton wooling that just covers up the bad and lets it continue.

Otherwise whats your solution. Some diplomatic talks, yeah sure when the government has their finger in the pie. What about reeductaing the Narcos. Nah don't think thats going to work.

So your alternative is also "Kill 'em all, right?" except in this case its allowing the drugs to come in and kill and destroy another million people over the next generation.

So we have a situation where a few Narcos are killed or a few more million Americans are killed. An ethical dilemma. So lets just stick our heads in the sand and let it continue.

I actually think its a bold and brave move. But also one where you have to be ready to backup the words if its going to work. But it will work and save millions and change the course of societies future for the better if even half the drug trade would stop.

I guarentee if this was something Biden or Obama did everyone would be supporting it. But because its Trump it must be bad.

Well, there we have it. Comitting the textbook example of a war crime is "bold and brave". Extreme solutions are needed to save the lives of your people. You just have to be keep being brutal to solve the problem.

This kind of reasoning has been used to rationalise the worst atrocities of mankind. But with an army as strong as yours and the world too fractured to oppose you, perhaps this time you can kill your way to utopia.

Oompa Loompa · 2025-12-03T02:06:38-0600

A2SG said:
What's this?

View attachment 373940

Thanks for your opinion. Next time a trans person requires your approval before living their life however they wish to, I'll refer them to you.

-- A2SG, in the meantime, I'll try not to tell you any such thing....

So you are saying that you could not answer the question because you could not determine if it was a cat, or a representation of a cat? You are not helping your argument at all. In fact, you are making it much worse. The fact that we are even having this discussion proves there is an ideological barrier preventing discernment of reality.

Dan1988 · 2025-12-03T02:01:23-0600

JulieB67 said:
It would seem like you still need to educate yourself some more. Oh that's right, you have teachers for whom you look to for that.

But angels do have bodies. So much so that they are often called men in the bible. They can wash, eat and so on. We can even be sustained by their food. So the description in Ezekiel is exactly on point. As well as the Malachi verses which you continually ignore. A fire consumes, plain and simple and those verses prove it. If you believe otherwise, by all means break down the Malachi verses.

And the rich man and Lazarus just proves there is a gulf at this point. No one has been thrown into the Lake of Fire yet. That's the consuming fire -the second death at Judgement Day.

No, that's not true. The Bible confirms that Angels and Fallen Angels are both Spiritual Beings, just as God Himself is. God is a Spirit and the entire Spiritual Ream is made up of Spiritual beings only.

There is nothing in the Bible to support your opinion that Angels are flesh and blood men. I think you have failed to consider the fact that Angels have a God given power to perform miracles, and we know miracles are supernatural acts which don't conform to natural laws.

We know that a single Angel killed 186,000 Assyrian soldiers in one night, so we know that Angel didn't take on a flesh and blood body to achieve such a feat. He killed fully armed elite soldiers, without using any weapons, so lets not limit Angels to flesh and blood weak vessels, like men.

Angels can take on any form, depending on the task at hand. If what you're suggesting was true then Satan should have ceased to exist 6000 years ago when He took on the form of a Serpent. But no, Satan is alive and well to this day, because there is no such thing as cessation of existence.

rjs330 · 2025-12-03T01:55:15-0600

FAITH-IN-HIM said:
The unfortunate reality is that many Cuban Americans who immigrated illegally and benefited from American generosity now strongly oppose immigration reform for others in similar situations.

I dont think its unfortunate at all. Things have changed. People are realizing what its doing to America and the problems it is causing.

A2SG · 2025-12-03T01:49:20-0600

Oompa Loompa said:
"Yeah. Probably." That was your answer. When the obvious answer was, "Yes! That is absolutely a human being. Or at least, definitely not a cat." But you couldn't say that, could you?

What's this?

Oompa Loompa said:
Back to my point. To tell me that a man can become a woman though any type of surgery or "gender affirming" care, and to enable their delusion by going along with it out of fear of making them uncomfortable with their delusion, is to do more harm to them, and all those currently being groomed and deceived by those claiming to be their "allies."

Thanks for your opinion. Next time a trans person requires your approval before living their life however they wish to, I'll refer them to you.

-- A2SG, in the meantime, I'll try not to tell you any such thing....

Perpetual Student · 2025-12-03T01:44:45-0600

rambot said:
Release Honduran President found guilty of importing millions of dollars of drugs into the country: It doesn't matter. Trump did it so he's keeping us safe.

After the Clean Coal we will have the Healthy Drugs.

Dan1988 · 2025-12-03T01:44:16-0600

Maria Billingsley said:
This has been debated for centuries so naturally there are several interpretations. Never the less, all of Jesus Christ's parables hold a spiritual message whether its based on real people or not.It is typically still treated as a parable because it shares the same structure and teaching style as the others.
In my opinion, it is a parable revealing the path towards the afterlife just like many of His teachings.
Thanks for sharing!

Even if it was a parable, it confirms the awful truth about hell. The rich man was only awaiting the coming final sentencing, when he will be cast into the lake of fire, where there will be no talking, only gnashing f teeth and wailing.

Death row prisoners still experience torment, but it's nothing compared to what comes at the final judgement.

Many Christians try to spiritualise the bible doctrine of eternal concise torment in hell. But there's no getting around the fact that the Lord Jesus confirmed that un believers are cast into the lake of fire, in their resurrected bodies and their worm dies not. They all wish they could cease to exist but that option is not available and they are condemned to suffer eternal torment, without any hope of escape or parole.

Oompa Loompa · 2025-12-03T01:42:40-0600

A2SG said:
I've already given my answer.

-- A2SG, asked and answered....

"Yeah. Probably." That was your answer. When the obvious answer was, "Yes! That is absolutely a human being. Or at least, definitely not a cat." But you couldn't say that, could you?

Back to my point. To tell me that a man can become a woman though any type of surgery or "gender affirming" care, and to enable their delusion by going along with it out of fear of making them uncomfortable with their delusion, is to do more harm to them, and all those currently being groomed and deceived by those claiming to be their "allies."

A2SG · 2025-12-03T01:31:57-0600

Oompa Loompa said:
Stalking Cat - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Now. Is it a human or a cat?

I've already given my answer.

-- A2SG, asked and answered....

prodromos · 2025-12-03T01:31:03-0600

reBoot said:
You'll also notice that there are 33 grid sections covering the plain.

So, is it supposed to somehow link to Christ who was 33 when He was crucified?

Dan1988 · 2025-12-03T01:30:12-0600

2PhiloVoid said:
I hope your salvation is genuine as well, because Christians shouldn't be making it an obsessive habit of constantly going around, poking other Christians in the eye and declaring that "...if you're not like me in following Calvin, you're on the WRONG path!!!..."

John Calvin doesn't save. Jesus does, and He was doing so well before Calvin ever came along. Don't forget that.

You used a lot of words to say nothing. You obviously can't find a single fault with my theology, so you just resort to the lowest common denominator, that being slander.

I have thoroughly debunked your theory, with scripture. But all you have to offer is your knee jerk reaction to things you don't understand. That only exposes your insecurity and emotional instability.

Oompa Loompa · 2025-12-03T01:27:35-0600

A2SG said:
Yeah, probably. Though, I suppose it could have been a very good wax figure. Ever been to one of those wax museums, they have some very convincing scultptures there.

Ideology has nothing to do with it, not that you have a clue what ideology I may or may not have. I suspected a trap somewhere along the way, and worded my response carefully.

See what happened?

At no point did I suggest otherwise. However, I have seen some amazing special effects makeup that certainly can make it look as if one has been. Ever hear of Doug Jones?

Please stop pretending you know what my ideologies may be. You're not very good at it.

Sure. I also mentioned Michael Westmore. Wanna know why?

I meant exactly what I said. Nothing more, nothing less.

Please accept that, and refrain from pretending I said anything else.

-- A2SG, it's very annoying....

Stalking Cat - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Now that you know it was once a man, and through years of grooming and delusion, he has undergone neumerous surgeries to become the tiger he wanted to be. Now, is it a human or a feline? Careful, because saying he isnt a cat completely undermines the very foundations of trans ideology. You are now being asked directly, "Do you believe the king is naked, or that he is wearing the beautiful robe that all the experts" are telling you?

Note that after receiving all the "affirming" medical care he could ever desire, he still killed himself. So who is helping whom when enabling one's delusion?

David Lamb · 2025-12-03T01:26:25-0600

reBoot said:
You'll also notice that there are 33 grid sections covering the plain.

Just to let you know that Apple Sky posted a few days ago (Post 2146) that she was leaving the Forums for a break as she is unwell.

A2SG · 2025-12-03T01:01:10-0600

Oompa Loompa said:
You knew that it was a human.

Yeah, probably. Though, I suppose it could have been a very good wax figure. Ever been to one of those wax museums, they have some very convincing scultptures there.

Oompa Loompa said:
But your ideology wouldn't allow you to say it.

Ideology has nothing to do with it, not that you have a clue what ideology I may or may not have. I suspected a trap somewhere along the way, and worded my response carefully.

See what happened?

Oompa Loompa said:
You know that no about of surgeries from the most talented surgeons could possibly change a human into a cat.

At no point did I suggest otherwise. However, I have seen some amazing special effects makeup that certainly can make it look as if one has been. Ever hear of Doug Jones?

Oompa Loompa said:
Your ideological barrier prevents you from connecting the dots and concluding that no amout of surgeries from the most talented surgeons can turn a man into a woman or vice versa.

Please stop pretending you know what my ideologies may be. You're not very good at it.

Oompa Loompa said:
Your best answer was, "it appears to be human, but looks can be deceiving."

Sure. I also mentioned Michael Westmore. Wanna know why?

Oompa Loompa said:
What on earth did you mean that, "looks can be deceiving" unless you were not completely certain that the image did not display an actual feline?

I meant exactly what I said. Nothing more, nothing less.

Please accept that, and refrain from pretending I said anything else.

-- A2SG, it's very annoying....

Oompa Loompa · 2025-12-03T00:49:37-0600

rambot said:
Just because of how God created them?

I rebuke that statement in the name of Jesus. God created them male and female. The only people rejecting them for how they were created are themselves and those that feed their delusion.

JAM2b · 2025-12-03T00:48:57-0600

The thing about Jesus fasting for 40 days is that He is the Son God. I can imagine that He was uncomfortable and wanting food, but being who he is, He can survive things human bodies aren't capable of surviving.

Even on the cross, He didn't die until He gave up His spirit.

Oompa Loompa · 2025-12-03T00:47:39-0600

A2SG said:
Everyone could always tell. Whether or not they had the courage to tell the Emperor so and face reprisals, that's another story.

But enough about that irrelevant fable. Let's move back to the subject at hand.

Good thing you added "in other words," or people might mistake that quote for something I actually said.

-- A2SG, but you're doing a mighty fine job beating down your own strawmen, keep it up!

You knew that it was a human. But your ideology wouldn't allow you to say it. You know that no about of surgeries from the most talented surgeons could possibly change a human into a cat. Your ideological barrier prevents you from connecting the dots and concluding that no amout of surgeries from the most talented surgeons can turn a man into a woman or vice versa. Your best answer was, "it appears to be human, but looks can be deceiving." What on earth did you mean that, "looks can be deceiving" unless you were not completely certain that the image did not display an actual feline?

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