A2SG said:

Not a problem at all, in fact.


And what medical school did you graduate from, I wonder?


Nope. You've made a claim, based on four individuals who may simply share a common issue, nothing more.


So you assume. I know a couple who would fool you.

-- A2SG, and not all of them are actually trans....

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Test question. Is this a cat or a human?

Nutritious food

Stop the useless platitudes.

PLLT

This screenshot is gold.

A2SG said:

Or wants a perfectly functional nose altered. Or wishes to have implants.

Seems to me there are a lot of ways any number of mental health issues can be expressed.

-- A2SG, lot of conflating issues and illnesses here.....

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Yes. People who get plastic surgery to remove perfectly functional body parts to change their appearance have mental health issues. But not nearly as extreme as cutting off your genitalia. That is just plain insane.

Oompa Loompa said:

Sounds like a personal problem.

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Not a problem at all, in fact.

Oompa Loompa said:

I already gave it to you.

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And what medical school did you graduate from, I wonder?

Oompa Loompa said:

Yes it has.

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Nope. You've made a claim, based on four individuals who may simply share a common issue, nothing more.

Oompa Loompa said:

But at least I know what a woman is.

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So you assume. I know a couple who would fool you.

-- A2SG, and not all of them are actually trans....

RainySunflower said:

Again , fair point , you raise a valid point in your post. Hmmmm .... I don't have a proper 100% correct answer on that one. But I believe in this whole ... spiritual warfare stuff , so I think you-know-who uses some tactics to like , keep us distracted from keeping our eyes on God .... So I think it is all about spiritual warfare and who wins most souls in the end .... So it's like dirty tactics in football.

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Thankfully, our salvation doesn't depend at all on what we believe about the shape of the earth. "What must I do to be saved?" asked the jailer at Philippi. The apostles replied, "Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and you will be saved." They didn't say, "Make sure you believe the right thing about the earth's shape." What one believes about the shape of the earth makes absolutely no difference to one's spiritual state.

Is there something in the text here that references Daniel 2? I'm more interested in how John merges bits of the other beasts into one uber-beast. It's saying Rome is more powerful than all the previous empires. But it's also very universal in appeal - as in - this is Rome - but it could be any government that threatens God's people.

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The ten horns are the ten toes. The connection between Daniel 2 and Daniel 7 is explicit. Revelation 13 references it directly. Daniel 7 shows that the ten horns would come after the fourth beast. The fourth beast was the Roman Republic (W). It became the Roman Empire when it conquered Egypt (S), Anatolia (N), and Syria (E). In this way, the ten horns are an empire stretching over the entire world.

You sound like a reasonable person committed to reading God's word in context, and with reference to sensible theology. (And not just playing subjective "pin-the-tail-on-the-anti-Christ" like others here.)

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I appreciate that! I'd rather not look outside the context of the original audience. Unfortunately, silence is rare in my life. If I can read it instead of watching it, it would be easier to flex to those rare moments.

Absolutely. Wasn't there a new tribune installed at some point, and people required to turn up and swear allegiance?

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There was. It began in 250 with the Decian Persecution, but it wasn't specifically targeted at Christians like the Diocletian Persecution was in 303. Speaking of the Diocletian Persecution, it should have been called the Galerian Persecution because Galerius was the main antagonist. Diocletian set up a tetrarchy in attempt to stabilize the Roman Empire after the Crises of the Third Century. The Roman Empire was split into East and West, with each having its own Augustus and its own Caesar. The Eastern Empire, with its capital in the Pontic city of Nicomedia, leaned heavily into the imperial cult as a means to restore Roman esprit de corps. Like the Two Witnesses of Revelation 11, the Christians were blamed for the prior crises and were persecuted. The Oracle of Apollo at Didyma told Diocletian that she could not give oracles from Apollo because "the just upon the earth" hindered his prophecies. Galerius insisted persecuting the Christians would enable the oracle to hear Apollos prophecies again. Since imperial cult was so strong in Anatolia, the Eastern Empire was ground zero for Roman Tribune. The Eastern Empire was, as Revelation 13 called it, the beast from the earth. To your original question, the tribune was the image of the beast having a statue of Diocletian presented before the herald.

Across 2000 years? I'm not sure causation is demonstrated - but history certainly rhymes now and then.

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This lends itself to the pattern.

Hmmm - I'm not sure I've seen that as a pattern. The people I read seem to see Revelation as covering a multitude of themes, not necessarily linked in that way? Could you just add the chapters where you see this pattern emerging?

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This is probably the best conversation I have had on this topic. Thanks!

All themes are encompassed in Revelation 1 and 22. These are the inclusio, a parenthetical bracket around all the text within. Revelation 1:6 shows us who the Two Witnesses are. Like Joshua the High Priest and Zerubabbel the governor in Zechariah 4, Christ's blood has made us to be priests and a kingdom. They were called out of Babylon (Zech 2:6, Rev 18:4), the worldly attempt to serve two masters. By keeping the testimony of Jesus and obeying His commands (Rev 1:2, Rev 12:17), they build the Church under constant peril by the enemy, just like when the Edomites assaulted the Jews when they rebuilt Jerusalem's wall in the days of Nehemiah. The lamp stands, fueled by God's Spirit (Rev 1:10, 4:5), continue that mission until Christ returns and every eye sees Him (Rev 1:7, Rev 19:11-18). You can find these themes repeated multiple times throughout Revelation. I think they get missed often because of the mysteries presented in the book that are intended to get the believers to look introspectively and ask themselves who they most identify with. That revelation shows us which message to seven churches in Asia Minor we as a universal church must adhere to. I would definitely like to discuss this further.

Cheers, good chatting with you

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Likewise!

A2SG said:

When you look at someone, the way they dress, style their hair, etc., you're observing how they express their gender. You can assume you know their sex from these things, but you won't really know unless you take a blood test and examine it in a lab.

-- A2SG, sometimes, even genitalia can fool you....

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Again, gender is a made up term to obfuscate reality. What is going on in your brain has nothing to do with the fact that men cannot be women, and women cannot be men, no matter how hare you believe otherwise.

Oompa Loompa said:

Nope. But it is an obvious indicator. No different than if someone identified as an amputee and had a perfectly functional leg cut off.

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Or wants a perfectly functional nose altered. Or wishes to have implants.

Seems to me there are a lot of ways any number of mental health issues can be expressed.

-- A2SG, lot of conflating issues and illnesses here.....

RainySunflower said:

NASA sax at photoshop.

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NASA is also lazy to hire proper people for photoshop.

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So what about all the photos taken by NASA and all the other space agencies before Photoshop came on the market?

Oompa Loompa said:

Yes. It is also found in their DNA. No surgery or self mutilation can change that no matter how delusional a person is.

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No one has said otherwise.

-- A2SG, amazing the variety of strawmen running around this subject....

RainySunflower said:

I don't buy that. That is argument for 3rd grade of elementary school. ^^



Average Joe can't go to Antarctica cause truth would be revealed.

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If he can afford the ticket, the "average Joe" can indeed book a flight over Antarctica:

"30 Years of Antarctica Flights
We have been exploring Antarctica by air since 1994 - that's over 150 flights and 30 years pioneering a land that remains almost entirely undiscovered. Aboard a cruise ship you would only touch the edge of the coast. Aboard our privately chartered plane you will soar over a continent that escapes the boundaries of perception."

That is from the Qantas website: Antarctica Flights from Australia - Antarctica Flights

A2SG said:

Nope. I've used pronouns all my life, and I've yet to worry about biology when I do it.

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Sounds like a personal problem.

A2SG said:

Is that your professional opinion, doctor?

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I already gave it to you.

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Your claim has not been proven in any way whatsoever, least of all through anything I've said.

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Yes it has.

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-- A2SG, four individuals do not a scientific certainty make.....

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But at least I know what a woman is.

RileyG said:

I'm simply stating someone can know what someone's gender/sex is by simply looking at them. Nothing more, nothing less.

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When you look at someone, the way they dress, style their hair, etc., you're observing how they express their gender. You can assume you know their sex from these things, but you won't really know unless you take a blood test and examine it in a lab.

-- A2SG, sometimes, even genitalia can fool you....

A2SG said:

Gee, is that the only indicator of a mental health issue?

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Nope. But it is an obvious indicator. No different than if someone identified as an amputee and had a perfectly functional leg cut off.

keras said:

It ain't over until the fat lady sings.

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Um, I think in your case you're just making it up as you go along, and changing your mind as your previous "ABSOLUTE CERTAINTY" crashes into history.

You've got less than 100 days for Israel to build a temple for the AOD! ​

Oh, and if you changed your mind somewhere along the way - what happened to it being a vision from God? To you being an OT prophet? To your "ABSOLUTE CERTAINTY"!?

"It ain't over till the fat lady sings - and she sung - but she changed her mind - now she's singing again - oh look! She's about to walk off stage. She's turned around. No - she's just motioning to someone. Now she's back at the microphone - having another go! Phew, now she's finally bowed, and is walking off stage. Yes, ladies and gentlemen, the fat lady has finally.... oh no. Spoke to soon! She's turned around. She's walking back to them microphone! She's having ANOTHER go! She wants everyone watching her - and she's singing AGAIN! Won't someone tell her to stop!?"

You futurists are ALL absolutely certain that your navel gazing daydreaming has spat out the future - and it's absolutely clear and certain to you! And EVERYONE needs to stop and gape in awe! If they don't, they're not REALLY trying to follow God - or something!



Futurists like this are a dime a dozen.
It's all so "Ho hum, been there, done that."
Why do you think you're any different?

Especially when you've demonstrated time and again that your biblical theology is just so messed up!?

RileyG said:

And yet, gender affirming care, as it is so-called, hasn't been helpful either. That's a rather moot point.

Telling people they can be something they aren't only harms them.

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Perhaps the answer is removing the social contagion, indoctrination, grooming, and brainwashing. Then watch how drastically the LGBT numbers plummet.

Oompa Loompa said:

Well, you thought wrong.

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Nope. I've used pronouns all my life, and I've yet to worry about biology when I do it.

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Again, transgender equals mental health issues, not biology.

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Is that your professional opinion, doctor?

Oompa Loompa said:

Hence you have proven my point that people are not born trans, they are recruited and groomed.

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Your claim has not been proven in any way whatsoever, least of all through anything I've said.

-- A2SG, four individuals do not a scientific certainty make.....

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And yet, gender affirming care, as it is so-called, hasn't been helpful either.

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How would you define "helpful" in this case?

A2SG said:

Sex is other places, too.

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Yes. It is also found in their DNA. No surgery or self mutilation can change that no matter how delusional a person is.

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Thanks for the info.

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Here is one source. Can you take a guess as to when Ashera worshippers gathered to celebrate with their mass orgys and gender fluidity? June!

Oompa Loompa said:

Nope. Show me a person who desires to mutilate themselves by removing healthy and perfectly functional body parts and I will show you someone with mental health issues.

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Gee, is that the only indicator of a mental health issue? Wow, I know a few psychologists who are treating a lot of people incorrectly. Also, I probably should tell my friend who wants a nose job she needs to see a psychiatrist instead.

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After all, are not the left that keep telling us that gender is in the mind and sex is between the legs?

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Sex is other places, too.

But yeah, sex is biology, gender is identity.

-- A2SG, seems simple enough, but a lot of people don't get it....

hedrick said:

You're talking about praise choruses. Traditional Protestants have the same reaction. Luther contrasted a theology of glory with a theology of the cross. If you look at the hymns in mainline Protestant churches, you'll find plenty about the cross, and about our own death. Our churches typically use the liturgical calendar as a way to make sure we cover the whole of Jesus' life. Of course wallowing in suffering is just as unbalanced as nothing but praise choruses. The NT writers are confident that God will win in the end, and Christ will be all in all.

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When I was in the Presbyterian Church we had music before and during the service.

The music before the service was usually from the "Scripture in Song" series and they could be regarded as "praise choruses".

But during the service itself the hymns tended to be more solemn, and usually came from the hymn book, of which I still have a copy.

A lot of people don't think the devil and demons exist, and that they're imaginary, whereas Hitler was a documented part of modern human history.