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Trump to pardon Ex-Honduras President Guilty of Drug Trafficking and conspiring to import cocaine into the United States

...Trump interview on Air Force 1:

“You’ve made so clear how you want to keep drugs out of the U.S., can you say more about why you would pardon a notorious drug trafficker?” asked one reporter.

“Well, I don’t know who you’re talking about,” Trump replied.
Guess we should assume that the pardon was signed by someone else using an autopen then, and thus is null and void.
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Trump to pardon Ex-Honduras President Guilty of Drug Trafficking and conspiring to import cocaine into the United States

...Trump interview on Air Force 1:

“You’ve made so clear how you want to keep drugs out of the U.S., can you say more about why you would pardon a notorious drug trafficker?” asked one reporter.

“Well, I don’t know who you’re talking about,” Trump replied. It was not a particularly comforting response after the president previously revealed he has no idea who he’s pardoning. After the reporter clarified that she was asking about Hernández, Trump scrambled to justify his decision.

“Well, I was told—I was asked by Honduras, many of the people of Honduras, they said it was a Biden setup—I don’t mean Biden, look, Biden didn’t know he was alive—but it was the people that surround the Resolute Desk. Surround Biden, when he was there, which was about very little time,” Trump ranted.

“The people of Honduras really thought he was set up and it was a terrible thing. He was the president of the country, and they basically said he was a drug dealer because he was the president of the country. And they said it was a Biden administration setup. And I looked at the facts and I agreed with them.”

“What evidence can you share that he was set up and that he wasn’t—?” the reporter asked, before being interrupted by Trump, who had no such evidence to share.

“Well, you take a look. I mean, they could say that you take any country you want; if somebody sells drugs in that country, that doesn’t mean you arrest the president and put him in jail for the rest of his life,” Trump babbled. “And that includes this country, OK?”


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Hello, beautiful people!

I am an Evangelical Christian looking to love the respectful, beautiful exchange of ideas here.
I heard nice things about this community. I have no expectations, I have no gripes. All I have is compassion for everyone.
And I thank yall, in advance, if yall plan to revere those things about me.
Welcome!
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Is Hell Annihilationism or Eternal Torment

I regret to inform you that the story of Lazarus and the Rich Man in Luke 16:19-31 is not a parable. It is a story about actual people.
The Lord Jesus never refers to the names of people, when He uses parables to convey a message. I also thought Luke 16 was a parable, but I was recently corrected.
This has been debated for centuries so naturally there are several interpretations. Never the less, all of Jesus Christ's parables hold a spiritual message whether its based on real people or not.It is typically still treated as a parable because it shares the same structure and teaching style as the others.
In my opinion, it is a parable revealing the path towards the afterlife just like many of His teachings.
Thanks for sharing!
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There’s a Giant Flaw in Human History

Ok so you are saying all knowledge comes from the physical and naturalistic processes and there no such such thing as any transcendent knowledge like spirituality or consciousness beyond the physical brain.

Maybe thats why your having trouble as its not just about Egyptian advanced knowledge and tech but the giant flaw in the history told by orthodoxy. So thats more about philosophy.

We went into some specific examples that may support that advanced knowledge. But we could also go into other examples all around the world. This also includes the cognitive evolution going back 300k rather than 50k. How discoveries like GT are pushing back the timeline and changing the level of knowledge the ancients had.

But its every bit philosophy, epistemics and culture as the specific examples. Even more so related to how we see knowledge.

Your also forgetting that my attempt to explain how the ancients gained advanced knowledge is spectulation. In fact its more about philosophy, epistemics and metaphsyics than the hard sciences like physics.

As I said if the ancients had a more direct experience in nature and reality then they would have gained a deeper knowledge of nature and relality. Just like Marys experience of Red could only come from her subjective experience. So to is the deeper knowledge of reality.

In fact even science supports the idea that Mind and consciousness are fundemental and not objective physical reality. So if the ancients were more in tune with this fundemental reality. Then they also gained knowledge of fundemental reality from the bottom up and not the top down worldview.
What a complete load of nonsense.
You are using philosphopy as an obfuscation tactic because you have zero evidence of advanced technologies being used.
This seems a blantant falsehood and demands evidence. The evidence does not clearly show what tools were used. There is absolutely no evidence showing how the large granite blocks, and boxes were made. There is absolutely evidence for machining.

No one has given any evidence for the contrary. Some have made claims but have not shown evidence. In fact the evidence they have shown was defeated. There certainly is not clear cut evidence.
If this advanced technology existed why have contemporary 'primitive tools' been found along tomb depictions of their use when they would been superceded by this advanced technology which does not leave a shred of evidence.

Why is it that experimental archaeologists have been able to reproduce the signatures you claim can only be done with this advanced but unknown technology?

The sheer stupidly of your argument is that these inconvenient facts have been raised a number of times only to ignored and responded to with the low brow argument by repetition fallacy.
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"Don't Give up the Ship"

"We mis-identified the target" is a mistake. "Shoot them again" is not. It's possible that an ambiguous statement from SecDef was interpreted to mean that, as others have already posited, but giving the order - if such an order was indeed given - to target the survivors of the initial strike was unambiguously against the laws of armed conflict
Obama killed a US citizen did that upset the left ?
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Trump dispenses with trials, orders military strike on alleged Venezuelan drug-trafficking boat (Now up to 2, 3, 4...)

They say for every boat stopped full of drugs headed to the US saves around 20,000 Americans from drug addiction and overdoses. There have been around a million drug death overdoses in the last 25 years. Which is more deaths than in all the major wars of the 20th century.

Musk has a good take on this and I tend to agree.

Most People Don't Realize What Trump's Venezuela Move Really Means - Until Now! | Elon Musk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ksuP9MO6oLs

How many drug overdose deaths per year? Quick Answer​

  • Drug overdose deaths in the U.S. surged to over 100,000 per year in 2021 and have remained above that level through 2022 and 2023, the most recent year with available data.

Statistics at a Glance:

  • In 2022, there were approximately 108,000 total overdose deaths in the U.S.
  • Synthetic opioids (primarily fentanyl) accounted for about 68% of all overdose fatalities.
  • The highest state-level death rate in 2022 surpassed 80 per 100,000 people.
  • More than 70% of stimulant-involved deaths were found to include fentanyl as a contributing substance.
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Is Hell Annihilationism or Eternal Torment

Yet even our terminology to describe the state of things to come is temporal terminology. And so is our thinking on the matter. But, it's ok. We really can't help ourselves. But it is good to keep a skeptical eye on our own conclusions. It is easier to say what such things are not, than to say what they are.
God is a mystery and we only know what He has revealed about Himself in the Bible. Nobody has ever seen God and His ways are past finding out. His ways are infinitely higher than ours, this is why so many here describe God as someone who enjoys tormenting people.

God has hidden most things from us, He doesn't want us to know about any of them, yet so many Christians are seeking to get into the mind of God to find out about those things God is hiding.

Many struggle to make sense of the doctrine of hell as "Eternal Conscious Torment". God described it in those terms so I simply accept everything Gods has said. I feel no compulsion to put God on trial and force Him to justify everything He does to me.
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Has anyone attempted a 40 day fast?

I loosely remember reading an article of someone fasting even longer than 40 days but drank water though. An obese man and the fasting literally cured him of obesity and other health issues.

I don't know if I can survive a 40-day fast but for reference, I do cardio and strength exercises in hot and humid conditions 2 hrs a day. I sweat a lot and yet, I only needed to drink a total of 2.5 cups of liquids each day and my food is fairly dry like bread, small quantities of rice, and fish. This is far less than the daily recommended at my weight in hot and humid weather and adding exercise to it.

Ironically, if I drink the recommended volume of water, I get symptoms of over-hydration so I'm not depriving myself of water. My body simply can't accept as much water as most people could.

My body seems to source water from somewhere other than the ones I drink. Humidity from the air maybe through the skin or from respiration, I don't know. Because everything looks normal. My skin is well moisturized, no problems with urine. I have all signs of being well-hydrated even if I only drink 2.5 cups of liquids each day.
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The Electrical Nature of the Universe

Rubbish.
Maybe you could tell us what "spiritual insights' you get from Isaiah 30:26a?
Don't you even know that blindness is spiritual? 2 Cor. 4:4
What will happen will not be 'doom and gloom' for the Lords faithful peoples, as verse 26b says.
So the sunspot activity will burn up everyone but you and yours? Unlikely unless you believe you are spiritually protected. Hey! Back to spiritual insights again anyway
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Why we are not supposed to keep the Sabbath

The Sabbath is quoted 55 times in the New Testament. Was kept after Jesus died, His covenant ratified on His death and the Sabbath was still kept after according to the commandment by His faithful followers that followed Him everywhere that Jesus never told changed

Luke23:56. Then they returned and prepared spices and fragrant oils. And they rested on the Sabbath according to the commandment.
Yep, Jesus is still in the grave. You still do not have a post resurrection verse that requires the Christian to observe the sabbath.
Because God keeps His promises Psa89:34 Mat5:18-19. They were the first to see Him after His death and He never told them once to stop keeping the Sabbath or told anyone not to, He would have had to tell them before because His covenant was ratified at His death and His death was once and for all Heb10:10 why Jesus again in His own words predicted His people of all nations to "hold fast His covenant" Isa56:6-7. Its a made up idea that is not in our Bibles, but was predicted Dan7:25 2Tim4:3-4

God said He wrote "His Laws" in the heart of the New Covenant believer Heb8:10 which included the 4th commandment- they went from written on tablets of stone (10 commandments) to written on tablets of the heart2Cor3:3. Jesus Himself said it was LAWFUL to do good on the Sabbath Mat12:12 and one could still do evil on the Sabbath Mark3:4 (profane it Neh13:17 just as we were warned in the NT about being disobedient like those who came before us and why they could not enter their rest of the promise land Eze20:15-16 Heb4:6,11) Jesus Himself said the Sabbath would be kept after His death Mat24:20 why the apostles kept every Sabbath decades and decades later

Act 15:21 For Moses has had throughout many generations those who preach him in every city, being read in the synagogues every Sabbath.

Acts 13:44 On the next Sabbath almost the whole city came together to hear the word of God.

Acts 18:4 4 And he reasoned in the synagogue every Sabbath, and persuaded both Jews and Greeks.


and will be kept by "all flesh" His saints eternity thus saith the Lord Isa66:22-23 -

Jesus said out of His own mouth the Sabbath was made for mankind Mark2:27 for everyone who loves His name, wants to join themselves to Him and serve Him Isa56:6. This idea that the 4th commandment, the one God said to Remember was forgotten in our Bibles in the NT against the will of God's spoken and written Testimony Exo31:18 and His promise Psa89:34 Mat5:18-19
The early Christians would go to the temple every Saturday simply because that is where the Jews were. As Paul states, to the Jew I became a Jew and to those under the law I became as one under the law, though not being under the law himself. And why did Paul say and do this? So that he can get those that are NOT under the law of Christ (1 Cor. 9).

Again, post a post resurrection verse that requires the Christian to keep the 4th commandment. While you are at it, find a verse that shows that the law was given to the gentile. You keep avoiding posting these verses. I’ve been asking for a very long time. You claim you follow strictly the word of God so time to prove it.
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Minnesota is drowning in fraud.

In Landmark Sentence, Feeding Our Future Scheme Leader Sentenced to 28 Years in Prison

MINNEAPOLIS – Today, United States District Judge Nancy E. Brasel sentenced Abdiaziz Shafii Farah, age 36, to 28 years in prison followed by 3 years of supervised release for his role in a $300 million fraud scheme that exploited a federally funded child nutrition program during the COVID-19 pandemic, announced Acting U.S. Attorney Joseph H. Thompson. Farah was also ordered to pay restitution in the amount of $47,920,514.

Farah played a leading and role in the Feeding Our Future case, the largest Covid-19 fraud scheme in the United States. According to public documents, Farah and his co-defendants stole more than $47 million in program funds by claiming to serve 18 million meals to kids at more than 30 food distribution sites. In June 2024, after a seven-week trial before Judge Brasel, a federal jury convicted Farah of conspiracy to commit wire fraud, conspiracy to commit federal programs bribery, false statements in a passport application, conspiracy to commit money laundering, two counts of federal programs bribery, six counts of wire fraud, and 11 counts of money laundering.
In other news.

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Meet the Apostle of Christmas—and Pray the Novena

As [John the Baptist] watched Jesus walk by he said, “Behold, the Lamb of God.” …Andrew, the brother of Simon Peter, was one of the two who heard John and followed Jesus. He first found his own brother Simon and told him, “We have found the Messiah” …Then he brought him to Jesus. (Jn. 1:36-40)

Is Hell Annihilationism or Eternal Torment

Gos is NOT a tortuous monster .... full stop. To even entertain the idea that God has a eternal torture chamber is totally non-sense.

Jesus himself describes death as a "sleep", why? because one day ALL will be resurrected from the first death.

It's ultimately about eternal life or eternal death. Death is non existence and we shouldn't be confused about it. The first death is temporary the 2nd death is for eternity.
That's all based on your own private opinion, but there are no scriptures to support this opinion. There are countless scriptures which support the doctrine of hell as "Eternal Conscious Torment".

Thanks for your opinion, but private opinions have no value in Gods economy.
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