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eleos1954 · 2025-11-16T12:44:35-0600

JohnB445 said:
I am learning more about the Bible.

What happens in the future? Where there be an eternity of people being on Earth then dying later to be judged or will there come a point where there is no longer a need to judge and either people are in heaven or hell. And there are no more people left for God to judge?

If that is the case, what happens next? Is it possible for another rebellion to occur and people get kicked out of heaven? Remember the angels rebelled from the very beginning.

Judgement takes place in heaven ... the records of all peoples lives are stored there .... when Jesus returns all judgement for all time has taken place and the 1st resurrection (of the saved) occurs ... those are taken to heaven for 1,000 years and afterwards the 2nd resurrection (of the lost) takes place (of the condemned)

Hell is the grave .... there is no "burning place" for eternity. The masses are dormant in the grave until resurrected.

What caused the rebellion in the first place? .... believing lies ... in heaven we will know the complete truth and also there will be no temptation because satan is destroyed.

James 1:14-15 describes how temptation arises from within an individual, not from God. It states that each person is tempted when they are "dragged away by their own evil desire" and lured in by their own cravings. Once this desire has conceived, it gives birth to sin, and the result of sin is death.

Origin of temptation: Temptation does not come from God but from our own sinful desires.
The process: These desires "drag you away" and "entice you".
The outcome: When these desires are fulfilled, they lead to sin, and the consequence of sin is spiritual death.

Satan, described as "prowling around like a roaring lion seeking someone to devour" (1 Peter 5:8), is a key instigator of temptation. He tempts us by twisting God's gifts and using our free will to try and lead us astray.

There won't be any temptation in heaven (satan destroyed) and we will know the complete truth and therefore sin will never rise again.

7thKeeper · 2025-11-16T12:44:31-0600

Delvianna said:
"Some that illegally crossed the border into the United States, some that came in through visa waiver and were prohibited from working, some that had visas and overstayed their visas." link

Out of the 330 people detained, 316 South Koreans have been deported, the rest were Chinese, Japanese and Indonesian. link

Sounds like illegals and people who broke the law to me. If you break your visa agreement, the US has the right to deport you.

The people suing were there on proper visas.
And part of the problem with the other visas is a fewfold. The Trump admin was insisting that the work on the factory be finished by the end of the year, so workers were needed on a quick schedule to accomplish that. Problem with that was, the time it takes for the states to process visa applications is long for the type they'd need and previously, for these sort of cases, the US government had allowed other types of visas be used, even if they didn't allow work by letter, because it was deemed necessary to get the people in. So there's been an understanding between companies and the state that this is ok in these cases.

BCP1928 · 2025-11-16T12:40:36-0600

2PhiloVoid said:
I'm non-partisan and an equal opportunity critical thinker, and I do my best to avoid running like a lemming in vicious circles or sit in selective echo chambers that both the Left and the Right all too conveniently and insistently provide for everyone.

OK, from that fair and neutral position you should be able to explain why an academic discipline like CRT has any influence over me, especially--in the present context--over my opinion of organized religion.

2PhiloVoid said:
So, if someone out there thinks I've "othered" them in some way, maybe they need to put the Tik Tok down and read more widely---maybe they could start by reading, "Screwtape Proposes a Toast."

Here:

2PhiloVoid said:
To some moderate extent that's true, but even so, it doesn't mean we should work and pray that Democrats will regain the presidency, congress and senate so we can turn this thing into a Chinese Democracy.

Accusing Democrats of wanting to turn the country into a "Chinese Democracy" is not othering them?

d taylor · 2025-11-16T12:39:40-0600

biblelesson said:
What about what the gospel says (the gospel of Christ, 2 Corinthians 4:4 KJV), that is the power of God unto salvation? Romans 1:16 KJV

What about those who say they believe, but are without the Spirit of Christ? Romans 8:9 KJV

What about those who say they believe, but Jesus told them He never knew them? Matthew 7:23 KJV

It’s the same as preachers telling their congregation that all we need is a little faith like the mustered seed when the mustered didn’t have little faith, it had great faith.

Faith as a mustered seed is not speaking about the size of the mustered seed? It’s speaking about the capacity of the mustered seed’s faith. A tiny seed being planted in the ground had the capacity to flourish into a great magnificent tree. Great faith!

To prove we must have great faith!
1) When walking on water, Jesus said to Peter, oh ye of little faith! If little faith was ok to have, why did Jesus addressed Peter’s little faith as the reason he fell in the water.
2) when the disciples could not cast out an evil spirit, Jesus was annoyed with them and said they could not do it because of their little faith. If little faith was enough, why could they not accomplish casting out the evil spirit.

The capacity for great faith does not exist in us! This type of faith is bestowed on us by God’s Spirit through Christ Jesus, as we digest the gospel of Christ - eat His words - Jesus told the disciples my words are Spirit…

My main issue is sometimes we say things about salvation that does not address the true requirements for salvation. It is not enough to say we believe in Jesus; there is much, much more that secures our salvation, and it is following the exact truth of the gospel of Christ, the power of the gospel, that is the power of God unto salvation. Leaving out the requirements of the gospel, we cannot obtain salvation.

We must look to experience. That is the only way we know we have been given the Holy Spirit - the Spirit bears witness with our spirit that we are children of God, Romans 8:16 KJV - this is an actual experience

We sit in heavenly places in Christ Jesus - this is an actual experience through the power of the Spirit Who raises our consciousness to where we are placed in another dimension- from putting off the flesh, the old man, to walking in the new man in Christ Jesus.

It’s not enough to say we believe, we must be conformed into the image of Christ - the power of the gospel manifests these realities in our life, by God’s Spirit.

The same Spirit that raised Christ from the dead must be in us in order for us to be raised at Christ’s return. Through the Spirit we must please the Husbandman Who desires the first fruits - That is, we must produce fruit - the Fruit of the Spirit, bestowed upon us by the Spirit through many trials - the furnace of affliction.

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Well what about you not adding into accounts in The Bible parts that are not actually there. As an example take you saying the people in Matthew 7:23 had believed in Jesus for eternal life. When there is not a singe sentence saying these people had believed in Jesus for eternal life. The only thing the verses say is they did thing in the name of Jesus and that is not the same as believing in The Name of Jesus for eternal life.

“Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’ And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’

RDKirk · 2025-11-16T12:36:54-0600

Hans Blaster said:
No. Someone claimed 10% would tip things over. I asked it there was a place with 10% Muslims and if it was a theocracy.

To that you provided the example of Dearborn at 55% Muslims. So, I now ask a question:

Is Dearborn a Muslim theocracy?

If *no* then even 55% isn't enough and the 10% claim is bunk.

If *yes* it still doesn't answer the fear mongering about 10% Muslims as it is an actual majority. (And I oppose the theocracy, just as much as I would oppose a Christian one.)

Your viewpoint is consistent that you don't want a theocracy despite the proportion of the population practicing a particular religion, whether 10% or 55%.

Maria Billingsley · 2025-11-16T12:32:46-0600

BelieveItOarKnot said:
God Himself bound everyone to disobedience, Romans 11:32

Adam and Eve were no exceptions

Jesus even shiws us HOW it happens in Mark 4:15

Uh yeah, only if you completely eliminate the tempter within them from the equations. Which of course is illegitimate sight. All have sin. Sin is of the DEVIL

You just forgot

God clearly said the serpent did it. Did you miss that detail?

There was no choice involved.

God always meant for there to be a first natural person and THEN a second person made a spirit. 1 Cor. 15:42-56

First the natural, and after, the spiritual

That's His Program. No choice of our required

Thanks for sharing but I do not hold to all the teachings from Augustine or Calvin.

Warden_of_the_Storm · 2025-11-16T12:31:52-0600

I thought I'd give this another shot, but Steve, you are a brilliant example of the Dunning-Kruger effect by proxy: you claim these people are experts that we should accept whatever they say wholesale, with no critical thinking on our own part, that you make the word 'skeptic' look like a fricking joke.

You have no desire for critical thinking, only accepting the first 'expert' opinion that isn't the mainstream to walk into the door and accept it wholly without thought on your own part. You're so blinded by bells and whistles and credentials that you are blinded to everything else. Your go-to response to calling any criticism or skepticism on the people you glorify (you even call Petrie and King 'great men'!) 'ad hominems' shows your lack of desire for engagement with ideas or even the very idea that you could be wrong.

To talk to you is akin to an intellectual tarpit.

I wash my hands of you.

Say it aint so · 2025-11-16T12:30:13-0600

camille70 said:
This systematic review revealed no incriminating 'client list.' There was also no credible evidence found that Epstein blackmailed prominent individuals as part of his actions. We did not uncover evidence that could predicate an investigation against uncharged third parties.

https://www.justice.gov/opa/media/1407001/dl?inline

That is a notice by the FBI under the admin who is doing everything they can to keep things from the public. Take with ~~one~~ two grains of salt.

timothyu · 2025-11-16T12:29:05-0600

Benaiah468 said:
The future kingdom of Jesus on earth will not be a political kingdom in the conventional human sense, but a reign of G-d that unites political, social and spiritual dimensions.

Agreed. The two are counter-cultures

JimR-OCDS · 2025-11-16T12:28:37-0600

Arcangl86 said:
Simple yes or no question. Regardless of potential consequences, did they have the power to modify the requirements for cloture and approve this bill with no cooperation from the Democrats?

You right here are admitting they had the ability to address this.

The amendments made to the CR were made in the Senate. That means that the House will then need to pass it again.

If they had amended the bill, it would have been sent back to the House. The House that wasn't in session because Johnson had sent them home after passing the bill precisely to pressure the Democrats to approve the bill.

They're not going to approve a bill that has potential consequences. It would be incompetent to do so.

The amendment made in the Senate was not what Schumer's counter proposal was seeking. Read page 57 of the counter
proposal, which would've continued to fund everyone legal and illegal. The bill modification in the Senate only extended
the current healthcare bill. The House then approved it and sent it back to the Senate and then to Trump.

Schumer wanted to go back to spending $1.5 trillion which included illegal immigrants and as it was done
before Trump took office. Schumer faced criticism from the democrats when he voted for the resolution
back in March. This time he tried to appease them.

Even Senator John Fetterman (D) sided with the republicans and criticized the democrats for shutting down the government.
The democrats who negotiated with the republicans to reopen the government, blamed Schumer and the DNC for the
shutdown.

The healthcare solution is only kicking the can down the road. Insurance companies will merely raise their premiums
based on how much the government is willing to give them. The president and congress, democrats and republicans,
are going to have to get us away from the "for profit," healthcare system we currently have. A single-player universal
healthcare package will have to be put together, which will be run by a private company with government oversite.
Guess who opposed Hillarycare and put out propaganda against it? The health insurance companies.

Shane R · 2025-11-16T12:26:48-0600

I occasionally like to indulge in some chili dogs after church. I had stopped at the Sheetz gas station today and got 2 on my way home. Then I saw my favorite hot dog truck and was really tempted to get 2 more but moderation and willpower prevailed. I've actually been fairly successful with weight loss for the last several months.

Warden_of_the_Storm · 2025-11-16T12:24:35-0600

stevevw said:
You really need to lighten up. I was trying to be funny. I guess you don't have a sense of humor.

Your 'joke' was about as funny as my sprained foot is; not at all.

Jerry N. · 2025-11-16T12:24:03-0600

Apple Sky said:
Teachers have to teach what they are told too or else they could face severe disciplinary action or even termination.

That is true, but that doesn’t mean that everything they teach is indoctrination. The other side is that students only have to agree with the teachers until the tests are finished. According to research that I have read, 20% of people will believe all kinds of indoctrination, but the majority start thinking for themselves when they get older. I’m sure, no matter how good your parents and teachers were, that you have rejected some of the things they taught you. My parents told me that sitting on concrete would give me hemorrhoids, but I’ve come to learn that it isn’t true. Hemorrhoids are actually caused from eating red beets.

Aryeh Jay · 2025-11-16T12:23:17-0600

eleos1954 said:
Hard to say what the "real truth" is

The only real truth comes from God.

Lukaris · 2025-11-16T12:21:55-0600

The Barbarian said:
He was actually first arrested for sex with young girls in 2006. He got a slap on the wrist. The prosecutor who gave him this sweetheart deal was Alexander Acosta, later Trump's Labor Secretary. The AG of Florida at the time, Pam Bondi had the power to intervene, but did not. She later became Trump's AG.
Pam Bondi, Alex Acosta, and the Shadow of Epstein
How Two Officials Rose in Power After Overlooking One of the Most Notorious Criminals in U.S. History

“The Price of Looking Away: How Bondi and Acosta Benefited from the Epstein Cover-Up”

“Promoted by Silence: The Strange Rise of Pam Bondi and Alex Acosta After Epstein”

medium.com

Acosta was a bipartisan, swamp holdover during the 2008 Epstein sweetheart plea deal. Trump has had a lot of conflicts with former officials and his relationship with Acosta was not personal although Trump considered Acosta as a competent labor seceretary.

Google Search

Pam Bondi was Florida AG from 2011-19 so what is her link to the 2008 Epstein plea debacle? Why does your article go into her foreign policy views on Israel as relevant to Epstein? If she supposedly held up on Epstein during her term in 2018, maybe because he was already near being prosecuted ( which he was in 2019)?

It has also been determined that Trump didn’t spend Thanksgiving 2017 (!) with Epstein.

Democrat X Account Deletes Claim That Trump Was With Epstein During 2017 Thanksgiving

A Democrat X account deletes a claim about the relationship between President Donald Trump and Jeffrey Epstein.

www.dailysignal.com

Epstein himself seems to vindicate Trump from any of Epstein’s debauchery.

Epstein claimed Trump was regular visitor — but never participated in illicit activity

Convicted pedophile Jeffrey Epstein once claimed President Donald Trump knew underage girls were being sexually abused at the late investor’s Palm Beach mansion — but never got a rubdown or w…

nypost.com

More rabbits will be pulled from the magic hat of course.

Aryeh Jay · 2025-11-16T12:21:36-0600

Hans Blaster said:
A new posting?

No, response about Carnival cruise. They sail past the Navy base in Norfolk Virginia.

PloverWing · 2025-11-16T12:20:05-0600

essentialsaltes said:
“We the people have put our trust in the President of the United States, Donald J. Trump. He, and only he, can stop this horror

Sigh. From the article, "Notably, the office of the president does not have legal authority to directly remove a New York City mayor from office."

Used to be, people would only embarrass themselves in front of their families by making speeches at Thanksgiving dinner. Now they get to embarrass themselves in front of the whole world on the Internet.

Landon Caeli · 2025-11-16T12:19:51-0600

The Barbarian said:
I'm guessing it was intended to be a dog whistle for their followers, not realizing that decent Americans would also know what it meant.

What if the magazine publishers began sporting toothbrush mustaches? Would they just cancel the magazine altogether, and expel the students?

JimR-OCDS · 2025-11-16T12:19:36-0600

Valletta said:
They have faith enough to show up.

Not faith but often an ego-identity attachment, or superstition.

Ellesmere · 2025-11-16T12:19:14-0600

""A report in The Lancet estimates that deep funding cuts to USAID could lead to more than 14 million additional deaths by 2030, with one-third being children, if the funding isn't restored. The cuts have already caused the immediate shutdown of essential programs, leading to a higher risk of diseases like cholera and a rise in under-five mortality rates in affected areas. As a result, some models already estimate that the dismantling of USAID has already caused 600,000 deaths, with two-thirds being children."

USAID cost the average US taxpayer $0.18 per day - Trump, with the support of Elon Musk and American Evangelicals, shut it down which has already resulted in the loss of an estimated 600,000 lives, 2/3 of them children!

How ironic that Donald Trump, a billionaire and Elon Musk, the wealthiest man in the world, were both instrumental in terminating USAID - which is credited with saving over 90 million lives of the world's most desperately poor, in the last 2 decades alone!

Trump and his MAGA supporters are now hoping that the NOBEL PEACE PRIZE COMMITTEE will be more impressed by his White House $300 million golden ballroom than the 14 million additional deaths by 2030 that USAID could have saved!

Trump is currently suing the Department of Justice for $230 million for what he considers politically motivated investigations - despite claims that the White House ballroom will be privately financed, what are the odds that it will be directly or indirectly "bankrolled" by the American taxpayer?

Whether Trump receives the Nobel Peace Prize or not, history will hold him and his supporters responsible for the millions of lives that USAID could have saved!

The White House golden ballroom, primarily built to impress the rich and powerful, will stand as a constant reminder that in "Trumpworld," extravagance took priority over lives - his campaign to receive the Nobel Peace Prize is intended to feed his insatiable personal ego, because in reality he has shown little concern for the lives and welfare of others!

FOOTNOTE: The Department of Justice is under no obligation to inform the American public as to whether President Trump's own loyal political appointees at DOJ followed his instructions and provided him with the $230 million!

https://www.npr.org/sections/goats-and-soda/2025/07/01/nx-s1-5452513/trump-usaid-foreign-aid-deaths

Apple Sky · 2025-11-16T12:16:01-0600

Hunting deer

Benaiah468 · 2025-11-16T12:13:28-0600

timothyu said:
Political ??

At the end of days, Jerusalem will be established and will be the capital of the world, both spiritually and ‘politically’. The Gentile nations will make pilgrimages to Zion to worship and receive divine instruction. The future kingdom of Jesus on earth will not be a political kingdom in the conventional human sense, but a reign of G-d that unites political, social and spiritual dimensions.

When Christ returns, the kingdoms of this world will become ‘the kingdom of our Lord and of His Christ (Rev 11:15). This points to a universal, theocratic rule that will replace all existing political systems and establish a just order according to G-d's standards.

eleos1954 · 2025-11-16T12:12:49-0600

The Barbarian said:
He's such a hypocrite.
Justice Department quietly replaced 'identical' Trump signatures on recent pardons
President Donald Trump is facing new scrutiny over the use of a replicated signature on several recent pardons
WASHINGTON -- The Justice Department posted pardons online bearing identical copies of President Donald Trump’s signature before quietly correcting them this week after what the agency called a “technical error.”

The replacements came after online commenters seized on striking similarities in the president's signature across a series of pardons dated Nov. 7, including those granted to former New York Mets player Darryl Strawberry, former Tennessee House speaker Glen Casada and former New York police sergeant Michael McMahon. In fact, the signatures on several pardons initially uploaded to the Justice Department's website were identical, two forensic document experts confirmed to The Associated Press.

Within hours of the online speculation, the administration replaced copies of the pardons with new ones that did not feature identical signatures. It insisted Trump, who mercilessly mocked his predecessor’s use of an autopen, had originally signed all the Nov. 7 pardons himself and blamed “technical” and staffing issues for the error, which has no bearing on the validity of the clemency actions.

The questions about Trump’s signature come amid a new flurry of clemency and weeks after the president claimed to not even know Changpeng Zhao, a crypto billionaire he pardoned last month. He said in an interview with 60 Minutes that the case had been “a Biden witch hunt.”

McMahon, a former New York City police sergeant, was sentenced this spring to 18 months in prison for his role in what a federal judge called “a campaign of transnational repression.” He was convicted of acting as a foreign agent for China after he tried to scare an ex-official into going back to his homeland.

McMahon’s defense attorney, Lawrence Lustberg, said he was not aware the pardon documents had been replaced until he was contacted Friday by an AP reporter.

“It is and has always been our understanding that President Trump granted Mr. McMahon his pardon,” Lustberg wrote in an email.

Hard to say what the "real truth" is

Landon Caeli · 2025-11-16T12:10:49-0600

Bradskii said:
How can you not understand that post. If you buy corn, it's going to come from Iowa. If you buy oranges, they'll likely come from California. Some basic foodstuffs that you buy can be home grown. But check out your pantry. I literally just walked into my kitchen and 5 of the first 6 things I looked at were from Pakistan, China, Italy, UK and Thailand. Put tariffs on those and they'll cost me more.

I'm typing this on a Dell laptop. They are made in the US but the components all come from all parts of the world. Every tariff on each country (which YOU will pay) means I will pay more for it. My T shirt was made in Vietnam. The tea I'm drinking now is from Sri Lanka. I just made a salmon sandwich for lunch. The salmon comes from Canada. I made the bread from Australian flour but the yeast comes from China.

We bought a new barbeque yesterday. A Weber. Some are made in the US, but some in China and Taiwan. Possibly using steel from Australia. If the US puts a tariff on our steel, then Weber in the US pays more for it to make them, then we'll place a tariff on your goods and the importer here pays yet more again.

Look, you are locked into the international trade to an extent which is difficult to convey. Arbitrarily messing about with tariffs on a whim, which is what Trump it doing, messes with world trade. Everyone suffers. Because we live in a global village. And when all the deals are done, all the tariffs are paid for, all the extras for the dongles and gizmos and materials and foodstuffs that you import are paid, the prices will rise and it's you who'll be paying the extra.

Plus, you completely avoided this: 'factory employment has dropped by more than 40,000 jobs since April, while the ISM index of manufacturing activity fell in October for the eighth month in a row.'

Trump told you that the tariffs would bring manufacturing back to the US. It didn't, it isn't doing it right now and it won't in the future. He lied to you. Did I really need to have to point that out to you?

He said tariffs wouldn't raise food prices. It did, it is now and it won't change until he removes the tariffs. Again, he lied to you. It's what he does.

It's going to take longer than 6 months for manufacturing to return to the United States. I'm a patient man... Let's see how things look after 4 or 5 years of tariffs.

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