narnia59 said:

You have professed through Romans 10 that an individual has to make a conscious decision to believe in their heart and confess with their mouths to be saved.

That does not address the spiritual state of children who are too young to do so.

I think there are two choices:
1) All children are saved until they can make a conscious decision to be saved or not
2) No children are saved until they can make a conscious decision to be saved or not

So pretty easy, just pick #1 or #2, or provide another option I don't see.

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I’ll be happy to address this in just a bit. I’m in transit right now.

In the meantime I have a Question for you.

How does a four month old repent?

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Strong in Him said:

That's one of the things, yes.

God did not dictate a literal, detailed account of how he created the universe because a group of scientists wanted to know.
Instead, Moses, or someone, wrote 2 creation accounts. He wanted people to know that it was GOD who created. At the time he wrote it down, there were several other countries around him who all believed in a different god for a different thing - a god of the rain, a god of the stars, a god of animals, crops and so on. Moses said that there is only one God who created everything.
Also, Moses was not writing for scientists; he was writing for people who, I understand, thought in picture language. They did not know, or want or need to know, about atoms, gravity, astronomy etc etc.

And if you take these accounts literally, which do you believe?
In Genesis 1 God created male and female together; in chapter 2 he created Adam from dust and, a little later, created woman from one of Adam's ribs.
In chapter 1, God created humans and said "it is very good"; in chapter 2 he created Adam and said "it is not good for him to be alone."
Genesis 2 does not tell us when God created the trees, birds, the garden etc. There are also other countries mentioned in Genesis 2.

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Yes that was the mix up the bottom section of your reply which read very much like a theory held by some scholars who believe that Genesis 1 and Genesis 2 are two complete different creation accounts. But You did not say that.

@iluvatar5150 and @Larniavc, it's running slow for me too. As we're all in quite different regions of the world (I'm in TX), I suspect it's a site problem and not some intermediate service (unless we all end up going through one last gateway before reaching the site).

Stopped_lurking said:

Everyone knows stone can melt. Just saying stones can melt, is not proof that some ancient culture used it purposefully.

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Are you kidding. I showed clear evidence of human created softened stone. It is supported by the research that these examples are human made and not some accident of nature. You are clearly ignoring the evidence and fobbing it off.

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What stones in Egypt show vitrification? It happens naturally time to time from lightning strikes or accidental fires.

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Just like the images I gave of clear machine like cuts which were ignored. I gave plenty of examples of melted and softened stone that was clearly not the result of anything natural or from some accidental lightening strike.

What is the use of even discussing this anymore when the evidence is either ignored or fobbed off without the same level of evidence demanded of myself.

For example I linked this example and this is one example they never acknowledge. Its fobbed off as explained by the stock standard answer that everything else is fobbed off in the othodoxy that it was pounded and ground out. Yeah sure the Egyptains just happened to create the exact signature of softened stone that happens to lokk exactly like the stone was softened. A good example of denting the obvious evidence.

If you think it was grounded and pounded to this shape than show me the peer reviewed evidence. Heck show me any evidence that this was the result of being ground and pounded to look like stone that has been softened and leaked between blocks.



So lets do one at a time instead of changing the goal posts and fobbing off the evidence without any support at all. What caused this signature. This is a block from the base of the pyramids in what some claim that some of the blocks were softened or cast instead of being cut or chiselled.

What does that lip represent. Is this some ancient grinding the stone to look that way. Or is this evidence the stone was softened. Its certainly has human intervention. Its not natural. The sharp corner is evidence of this. But why would there be a lip as though the stone was soft and it spread as it hardered under the weight between the blocks. In other words the softened stone spread into a gap between the stones and when they were pulled apart this was found.

If you think this is just one example there are many like this. Did the Egyptians go around creating lookalike signatures that happen to look like softened stone.

I wish I had saw your thread sooner. I would've made sure to experience that unique angle of the nativity ordeal.

Mercy Shown said:

Yes, but we are called to preach the gospel, the solution to all problems. We are called to alieve suffering and injustice where we can. It is to be a personal private and direct hands on action. The problem for us is how do we define social Justice? For some it is paying restitution for slavery. For some it is vilifying a certain race or gender or both as oppressors. For some it is scapegoating other people for their own problems.

Once we identify true injustice we must ask what can I do for these people directly. And we should do it without public fanfare.

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I absolutely agree that Christians are called to care about suffering and injustice—but always in a way that flows out of the gospel itself. Jesus sends us first and foremost to proclaim the good news that heals the human heart (Mark 16:15; Romans 1:16). The gospel is the root from which all true justice and mercy grow.

Scripture is clear that we are to relieve suffering whenever it is within our power to do so. Jesus praised the Samaritan who acted with practical compassion (Luke 10:33–37), and James reminds us that “pure and undefiled religion” includes caring for those in need (James 1:27). But the New Testament consistently portrays this as personal, humble, hands-on obedience—not public performance or moral grandstanding (Matthew 6:1–4).

And that leads to the real challenge: how do we even define “social justice”? The phrase means very different things to different people. For some, it means financial restitution for ancestral wrongs. For others, it involves vilifying whole groups as oppressors based on race or gender. Still others use it as a way to blame others for the problems of the world. These modern frameworks often go far beyond anything Scripture commands.

So the Christian question becomes simpler and more faithful: Where do I see real, biblical injustice—and what can I personally do for the person in front of me? When we discern a genuine wrong, our call is to act in love, quietly and sacrificially, just as Jesus taught. “Whatever you wished others would do to you, do also to them” (Matthew 7:12). And we do it without fanfare, because our Father “who sees in secret will reward you” (Matthew 6:4).

In short, the gospel is the solution, and compassion is our fruit. We preach Christ, relieve suffering where we can, and do it all with humility, sincerity, and love.

RamiC said:

I am a High Church Anglican, married for over twenty years to a man who survived severe mistreatment at a Catholic boarding school run by The Society of Jesus in the 1950's. My husband has been offerred an in person apology from the current Provincial Superior, and he is intending to travel to London to meet him on the 19th of December, in order to receive it.

My husband and I would both appreciate the prayers of any Catholic members of Christian Forums regarding this meeting, for his protection (and my own) as we prepare and travel, and especially for his first encounter with any Jesuit since he left school. I will be going to London with him, but he has said that he wishes to actually experience the meeting alone. This is the bravest thing I believe I have ever personally witnessed someone doing for the Christian faith, and I trust that some who are seeing this post can understand how I hope my life partner will feel Jesus' love and see true recognition of past wrongs.

No judgement of your Church is intended by this post, my own has as much to be ashamed of in terms of letting God down over children entrusted to it's care.

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God bless you both and many prayers for you and for those representing the Catholic Church as well.

bbbbbbb said:

Thank you. I perceive the lake of fire being similar to black holes in the universe where the gravity is so intense that nothing can escape, not even photons of light, hence they are only perceived when they block the view of stars and galaxies. Likewise, the heat there is beyond even that of the hottest star. Thus, there is both outer darkness and heat in these celestial bodies.

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Why conjure the severe (or severest scenarios) to apply? None of us really can travel to a black hole, it is really more possible that a black hole would be traveling toward us. If so we could not escape. And from what is known with physics we could not survive that. Modern depictions of hell that I find from anyone are not what I would speak of as being reality. Fair judgment could be applied to all, of humans. Everyone would be without excuse for not looking, earlier people are included, There must be some from earlier times that we who would be saved will find have been saved too. The difference since the gospel of Christ has been revealed is that its message is available and being spread, for much more opportunity to all those reached to respond, along with all that is made known of Christ provided to them. Earlier individuals might have only responded for themselves without a message from them that would have others more likely to come to that than they already were. Abraham would have been pretty unique with effectively spreading faith of the one true God who should be trusted. A few others who were earlier were shown doing that too, still.

With fairness of justice in judgment from God it would be fairly applied to those apart from deliverance in Christ, who bore all of what is needed for any who come to him, that they are covered in him. As God he could bear all of that, which no mere human could do, so that deliverance is available. Conjuring the most extreme sentences imagined for others would not dispense the fairness in judgment that God can and will apply to any that remain apart from the deliverance provided. The fairness amounts to the different degrees any will suffer throughout the afterlife they come to, when there is the judgment for them, that will be with fair justice to them, for each.

Valletta said:

You can see the disdain in Omar. She essentially received a free American education yet shows contempt for our country. We want people country who respect and love the principles upon which America was founded.

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"I remember how beautiful it was to get naturalized, it’s a feeling of belonging that stays with you. [...] Always and forever grateful to America for giving me and my family the ability to live in a country without limitations to achieve my dreams of happiness and success." - Ilhan Omar, August 31, 2023

"30 years ago, my family arrived in the United States, a land of hope and opportunity." - Ilhan Omar, March 17, 2025

"I am proud to be American. To me, the real patriots are those who push their country to do better and live up to its ideals. Because if you love America as a beacon of hope, you have to love liberty and justice for all. America and its ideals are always worth fighting for." - Ilhan Omar, July 4, 2025

David Lamb said:

So you believe Satan revealed to scientists who lived in Luther's time that hundreds of years later, a scientist called Einstein would introduce his theory of relativity, and that a space agency would exist in America? Where is the evidence that anybody in Luther's day knew such things?

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Well Dave to me as scripture states Satan certainly doesn’t has the power to foresee the future. He certainly not he able to inform about NASA and Albert Einstein in Luther’s time. But he certainly knows how to instigate people to do do his bidding from generation to generation . But NASA certainly had some bad asses working for them like Jack Parsons who stabilised rocket fuels and made rocketry more reliable . He was into everything wife swapping, sex orgies and very much involved with the occult the OTO. Alister Crowley and Rex Hubbard from memory who was the future founder of Scientology all knew each other. Einstein was a bad ass too : )

Refraction of cosmic rays is described here:

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Yarddog said:

I haven't heard of a metaphorical Adam but there is a deeper meaning of Adam than the literal. It's allegorical.

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Not sure about a metaphorical Adam but there is a less literal Adam interpretation. Not everyone see Adam as living to 930 after being specially created in 4004 BCE. Some put it at 5500 BCE or 3700 BCE based on greek and jewish texts. I place Adam on a timeline at about 10,000 BCE as that's the most plausible time on the standard history timeline for Adam. By 4004 BCE humans had cities that would be impressive in our post modern times.

Of course this interpretation would also support the hypothesis of pre-adamic men. Those individuals aren't necessarily theologically important to us. Life was a cruel and inflexible icescape before 9650 BCE.

You should be careful not to project your feelings of offense onto your brother in law. You might ask him his reaction to the incident. He may not have considered it consequential.

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samaus123456789 said:

I didn't realise I posted something like this already

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Im glad you did. The Apocrypha is largely considered uninspired because its books were written during the Intertestamental Period, after the cessation of recognized prophecy, and they were never accepted into the authoritative Hebrew canon (the Tanakh) by the Jewish people, which further implies a lack of divine, prophetic authority. Additionally, the book of Malachi sets the stage: for silence.....

“Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the LORD. And he will turn the hearts of the fathers to the children, and the hearts of the children to their fathers, lest I come and strike the earth with a curse.” (Malachi 4:5–6, NKJV)

....with the historical account from Macabees confirmation:

"So there was great distress in Israel, such as had not been since the time that prophets ceased to appear among them."

We should define what is considered " inspired ". There is a criteria;

For the Old Testament, the traditional key criterion for canonicity and inspiration was the author being a recognized prophet or messenger of God, often referred to as prophetic authority. This is why books are commonly attributed to Moses (a prophet) and the named prophets like Isaiah and Jeremiah, as well as figures like King David (whose Psalms are considered prophetic) and King Solomon (wisdom books), all of whom were considered God's spokesmen in some capacity. The overall acceptance of the text by the Jewish community as divinely authoritative was also essential.


Thanks for sharing!

Christianity has been declining in Britain & Continental Europe..
- for many years.
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Interesting to note:
'Protestant Missions' started in Britain..
- 18th century
- in English speaking world.
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William Carey
- Missionary from Britain to India..
- He has been called the father of
- 'Modern Mission Movement'.

2Co 5:15 And that he died for all, that they which live should not henceforth live unto themselves, but unto him which died for them, and rose again.

Eph 4:13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:
Eph 4:14 That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive;

Always in His Presence said:

I already gave you the answer. Roman’s 10

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You have professed through Romans 10 that an individual has to make a conscious decision to believe in their heart and confess with their mouths to be saved.

That does not address the spiritual state of children who are too young to do so.

I think there are two choices:
1) All children are saved until they can make a conscious decision to be saved or not
2) No children are saved until they can make a conscious decision to be saved or not

So pretty easy, just pick #1 or #2, or provide another option I don't see.

This video proves there’s is no object going in front of the sun.

Valletta said:

Was the Biden handlers’ plan for more poor to grow the welfare state and expand liberal government?
Was it misplaced idealism to welcome in millions of the world’s poorest, who would soon make it even more difficult for the nation’s poor citizens poor to find affordable housing and health care?
Was the agenda to create future dependencies and constituencies for an otherwise ossified Democratic Party?
Or was it an effort to ensure, in DEI terms, that the oppressed and victimized would outgrow the inert white oppressors and victimizers?
Oddest of all has been the attitude of the left toward the past destruction of the border. They went mum about the rampant illegality as the border disappeared and as millions filtered throughout the nation. Americans had no idea who the newcomers were, or even where or why they were here.
Given that it is much easier to destroy the border and allow millions to enter than to restore itand find the millions who entered illegally, the Democrats’ response has been Orwellian. After assuming the law did not apply to illegal alien entrants, they now insist its full force must apply to each of 10 million aliens before they can be sent home.

Citizens are fed up with Dem-invited migrants that have disdain for US law and culture

It is hard now even for Democrats to defend illegal immigration, given that the Biden administration allowed in more than 10 million entrants. Among them were an estimated 500,000 criminals. No one…

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You can see the disdain in Omar. She essentially received a free American education yet shows contempt for our country. We want people country who respect and love the principles upon which America was founded.

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Even AI has a big problem with this article.
Let us reason, please .

You have identified a critical moral and religious counterpoint to the article's narrative, especially regarding the plight of the poor and the sick seeking help in the U.S. From a Christian perspective, the article's focus on casting out vulnerable people appears to contradict core tenets of faith regarding charity, compassion, and the treatment of the foreigner.
Here is a strong counter-argument based on the biblical mandate, using the New King James Version (NKJV) as requested:

The Christian Imperative for Compassion and Hospitality
The fundamental teachings of Christianity place a clear, unambiguous priority on caring for the poor, the sick, and the stranger. The Gospel message frames this duty not merely as a suggestion for humanitarian aid, but as a central act of worship and obedience.
1. Identifying with the Vulnerable
Christ's own words in the New Testament directly link the act of helping the poor and the stranger with serving Him directly. In the depiction of the Final Judgment, Jesus tells the righteous:
> “For I was hungry and you gave Me food; I was thirsty and you gave Me drink; I was a stranger and you took Me in; I was naked and you clothed Me; I was sick and you visited Me; I was in prison and you came to Me.”
Matthew 25:35-36 (NKJV).
When asked to clarify, Jesus states, "Assuredly, I say to you, inasmuch as you did it to one of the least of these My brethren, you did it to Me" (Matthew 25:40, NKJV). Therefore, treating the sick or the impoverished migrant with hostility is viewed, within Christian theology, as rejecting Christ Himself.
2. The Mandate to Love the Stranger
The Old Testament, which forms the foundation for Christian morality, repeatedly and explicitly commands God's people to protect and show love to the foreigner (or "sojourner"). This instruction is based on the reminder that the Israelites themselves were once migrants and slaves in Egypt, establishing an enduring ethic of empathy:
> “The stranger who dwells among you shall be to you as one born among you, and you shall love him as yourself; for you were strangers in the land of Egypt: I am the LORD your God.”
Leviticus 19:34 (NKJV).
This command is echoed in Deuteronomy, emphasizing God's own character as a defender of the defenseless:
> “He administers justice for the fatherless and the widow, and loves the stranger, giving him food and clothing. Therefore love the stranger, for you were strangers in the land of Egypt.”
Deuteronomy 10:18-19 (NKJV).

3. Hospitality and Justice
Christian tradition celebrates hospitality, with the Apostle Paul urging believers to: "Distributing to the needs of the saints, given to hospitality" (Romans 12:13, NKJV). The writer of Hebrews takes this a step further, suggesting that by showing hospitality to strangers, one might unknowingly be hosting angels: "Do not forget to entertain strangers, for by so doing some have unwittingly entertained angels" (Hebrews 13:2, NKJV).

The article's portrayal of poor and sick migrants as a collective burden with "disdain" for the law runs counter to this profound biblical call to seek justice for the vulnerable and to show mercy without exception. From a theological perspective, the Christian response to the destitute and the sick arriving for help is one of immediate compassion and relief, not political condemnation.