walter45 said:

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Yes, absolutely;

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Does AI follow that thinking? Does AI have a god? Will it one day also become aware of self?

prodromos said:

It was poetry too.

In the fictional world of Harry Potter. Otherwise I don't think it numbers in the list of trees that wands were traditionally made of.

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Think all you want.

Apple Sky said:

It's bound to have a bit of distortion as the moon is under some kind plasma or water.

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The moon is focal point of polarised light that creates a plasma in our atmosphere - that’s why it’s always photographed close to earth. This kind of projection is bound to cause some distortion.

The sun too is a plasma phenomenon of polarised light in our atmosphere, and when the rays cross each other we have the “solar eclipse”. This is alluded to in the great music video of Soundgarden.

Of course the people here would rather believe a tree several meters away causes heat to be trapped

Apple Sky said:

It is under some sort of liquid.

Here is some footage that crow777 captured'

We need More Lunar Wave Captures​

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There are videos of the moon being reflected into the other layers of the firmament. I’ll dig it up later.

Oompa Loompa said:

I used the term "red letter" to focus on it being a direct quote from Jesus. But was Jesus only talking about those churches at that time?

Luke 13:3-5 NIV
[3] I tell you, no! But unless you repent, you too will all perish. [4] Or those eighteen who died when the tower in Siloam fell on them—do you think they were more guilty than all the others living in Jerusalem? [5] I tell you, no! But unless you repent, you too will all perish.”

Apparently, Jesus is making a universal statement that applies to everyone. Repent or perish. How will they perish you ask? Revelation 21:8.

Are you promoting universalism?

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I understand you used the red letters to denote Jesus speaking.
What I am saying is there are no red letters regarding the verse you quoted from Revelations denoted it came from Jesus.
What do you think Jesus meant by repent? And I mean Jesus, the red letter Jesus.

One where God's word is taken seriously and where the Gospel is preached.

CLEEB said:

When it’s a one man show that no one can challenge what the man says is an invitation to deception. If GOD is your teacher by the anointing then there will be no deception. This is why we should not despise prophecy but actually covet it. Why we should never quench or grieve the spirit. Because the vast majority does not experience this teaching by GODS anointing they do not believe it is real.

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I agree with your first sentence. And, yes, we should not despise prophesy but we are to test everything to make certain it is of God and not of human flesh, which also fits with your first sentence. In the New Testament they tested what was taught or shared as a prophetic word.

Strong in Him said:

Was it Jews who set up, and named, N.A.S.A? And even if it was, why would they call it after something that means "deceive" in a language that hardly anyone speaks?

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If it was need we say more ?

BCP1928 said:

Is that why you think it was a righteous act to kill those men in the water? That they were so evil that they had to be killed before they had an opportunity to repent?

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Read the thread and stick with the context. The question that was raised was what Jesus' attitude towards narco terrorists. My simple answer was that if they dont repent, they will be thrown into a lake of burning sulfur. Many Christians love Jesus as the loving little lamb, but they forget that He will come again as a fearful lion.

With regard to morality and legality, assuming any part of the liberal narrative is true. My personal view is similar to a father who murdered his daughter's rapist, or killing the drug dealer that sold the drugs that killed his son.

Then all single men and women out there, don’t marry someone that doesn’t measure up to your standards. But if you really find someone that does then follow the guidance of the spirit . Both husbands and wives will be held accountable on how they fulfill their GODLY appointed roles. I should not need to list the scriptures to anyone about this matter. The differences in gender is not meant to separate but to unite, the two become one. GOD hates divorce. The earthly marriage is a shadow of our marriage to Christ. If GODLY love is in the marriage then it will be a success.

BobRyan said:

First question to AI:

Using strict rules, “Is there any NT text that calls for weekly Sunday worship, or is the only explicit weekly pattern that of Sabbath preaching in Acts 18:4?”​

(AI confirms that there is no command to observe week-day-1 as a day of worshiip/rest etc)

Second Question to AI

Using strict rules, Given that we see not one new testament text saying that Sunday is the Lord’s day and not one text saying that the New Testament church met very Sunday for communion or for worship and not one statement that the term Sabbath is applied to Sunday, how do we get to the point today where the common view is that the new testament says Sunday is the Lord's day, they met every Sunday for gospel preaching and worship. ?​

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Well I asked AI this question

According to the Bible are we still obligated to observe the Saturday Sabbath?

And this was the reply

Here is the clean, direct answer taken ONLY from Scripture itself — not from denominations, traditions, or opinions:
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According to the Bible, Christians are not obligated to observe the Saturday Sabbath.

The New Testament speaks on this issue very clearly and repeatedly.
Below are the key passages — you can read each one in your own Bible to confirm.

1. Colossians 2:16–17 — “Do not let anyone judge you… about a Sabbath day.”

This is the strongest and most explicit verse in the entire Bible on this topic:

“Therefore let no one judge you in food or drink, or regarding a festival, or a new moon, or a Sabbath day, which are a shadow of things to come, but the reality is Christ.”
— Colossians 2:16–17

Paul says:

✔ Don’t let anyone judge you about Sabbath-keeping

✔ Sabbath was a shadow pointing to Christ

✔ The requirement is no longer binding

This is a direct statement that Sabbath observance is not required under the New Covenant.

2. Romans 14:5 — Christians do NOT have to treat any day as special

Paul writes:

“One person esteems one day above another; another esteems every day alike. Let each be fully convinced in his own mind.”

— Romans 14:5

If the Saturday Sabbath were still mandatory:

• Paul would never say “every day alike.”
• He would condemn those who don’t keep the 7th day.
• But he doesn’t.

Instead, he teaches freedom on the matter.

3. Acts 15 — The Apostles did NOT impose Sabbath on Gentile believers

At the Jerusalem Council, the apostles determined which Old Testament laws apply to Gentile Christians.

Here is the list:

“…abstain from food sacrificed to idols, from blood, from things strangled, and from sexual immorality.”

— Acts 15:19–20

Notice what’s NOT on the list:

❌ No Sabbath command
❌ No feasts
❌ No dietary laws
❌ No circumcision
❌ No Old Covenant rituals at all

If Sabbath were required, the apostles would have included it here. They didn’t.

4. Galatians 4:9–11 — Paul warns AGAINST going back to religious calendar law.

Paul rebukes the Galatians:

“You observe days, months, seasons, and years. I am afraid for you…”

— Galatians 4:10–11

What “days” is he talking about?

• Sabbaths
• Feast days

He says returning to calendar observances is going backwards — not required.

5. Hebrews 4 — The true Sabbath is fulfilled in Christ

Hebrews explains that the Sabbath pointed to something greater:

“There remains a Sabbath rest for the people of God… for the one who enters God’s rest has rested from his works.”


— Hebrews 4:9–10

This passage does NOT command keeping the 7th day.

Instead it teaches:

• Jesus is our rest
• The Sabbath was a symbol
• We enter God’s rest by faith

The Old Covenant Sabbath pointed to the salvation rest found in Christ.

6. The Sabbath command was part of the Old Covenant given to Israel, not Gentiles

The Bible says the Sabbath was: “a sign between Me and the children of Israel forever…”


— Exodus 31:16–17

Not humanity in general.
Not the Gentiles.
Not the nations.

Christians are under the New Covenant, not the Sinai Covenant.
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So what does the Bible say overall?

❌ No New Testament command to keep the Saturday Sabbath
❌ No apostolic instruction requiring it
❌ No punishment for failing to keep it
❌ Repeated statements that Sabbath was a shadow
❌ Apostles warn against going back to Old Testament calendar laws
✔ Christians are free in Christ
✔ Worship can happen any day
✔ Jesus fulfills the meaning of Sabbath
✔ The early church met on Sunday voluntarily, not by command (Acts 20:7)
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Final Biblical Conclusion

According to the Bible, Christians are not obligated to observe the Saturday Sabbath.

You can if you want — Romans 14:5 gives you that freedom.


But it is not commanded under the New Covenant.

If you want, I can also answer:

• Why some groups insist the Sabbath is still required
• What Jesus meant in Matthew 5:17 about not abolishing the Law
• Whether the Sabbath existed before Moses
• Whether Sunday worship “replaced” Sabbath (it didn’t — they’re different things)

Just tell me what angle you want to explore next.

BobRyan said:

Using strict rules, identify the largest Trinitarian Christian denominations that claim (1) scripture is a sufficient test of doctrine and no extra-biblical document is necessary for testing all doctrine, (2) possess a single global administrative authority, (3) maintain one unified set of binding official doctrines for all members, and (4) contain no doctrinally autonomous subgroups within their membership.

Is the more refined query adding one word to avoid AI being confused

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AI responds:

"Based on the refined and strict criteria provided, the Seventh-day Adventist (SDA) Church is the largest Trinitarian Christian denomination that meets all four of the specified conditions, provided that its official statements regarding the Bible as the sole and sufficient creed are taken as the definitive measure of belief.

Here is how the SDA Church meets each of the criteria:

1. Scripture is a sufficient test of doctrine and no extra-biblical document is necessary for testing all doctrine: The official position of the SDA Church, as stated in its Fundamental Beliefs and various church documents, is that the Bible alone is the "only creed" and "supreme standard" by which all teaching must be tested. Ellen G. White's writings, while considered inspired and authoritative for "comfort, guidance, instruction, and correction," are explicitly described as a "lesser light" meant to lead back to the Bible and not a substitute for Scripture or a basis for doctrine itself.
2. Possess a single global administrative authority: The church has a highly centralized, worldwide organizational structure headed by the General Conference, which has final administrative authority for the global church.
3. Maintain one unified set of binding official doctrines for all members: The 28 Fundamental Beliefs are uniform across the global church and are considered binding for all members. These beliefs were developed through the study of the Bible and are revisable only by a vote of the world delegation at a General Conference session.
4. Contain no doctrinally autonomous subgroups within their membership: The church structure emphasizes unity and does not officially permit doctrinally autonomous subgroups to exist within its official membership. Groups that develop significant doctrinal differences typically form independent offshoots and are no longer considered part of the main SDA body.

Other major denominations, such as the Roman Catholic and Eastern Orthodox Churches, fail the first criterion because they consider both Sacred Scripture and Sacred Tradition (extra-biblical documents/teachings) as necessary authoritative sources of truth. Most large Protestant bodies fail the second and fourth criteria due to decentralized governance (e.g., the various Baptist or Pentecostal conventions) or autonomous national churches/subgroups (e.g., Anglicanism).

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ROTFL!!!! Certainly weighted in favor of your favorite flavor. I used the Google AI thing, and entered your enquiry verbatim;

Identify the largest Trinitarian Christian denominations that claim (1) scripture is a sufficient test of doctrine and no extra-biblical document is necessary for testing all doctrine, (2) possess a single global administrative authority, (3) maintain one unified set of binding official doctrines for all members, and (4) contain no doctrinally autonomous subgroups within their membership.

This is what I got:

There are no large Trinitarian Christian denominations that meet all four specified criteria. The criteria regarding sola scriptura and a single global authority with unified doctrine are generally mutually exclusive among the largest denominations.

Explanation

• Roman Catholic and Eastern Orthodox Churches (the largest Trinitarian bodies) reject the doctrine that Scripture is the sole sufficient test for all doctrine (sola scriptura), holding that Sacred Tradition is an equally vital source of divine revelation and the authoritative guide for interpretation.
• Protestant denominations, which generally uphold the principle of sola scriptura, are highly diverse and fragmented, with no single global administrative authority or unified set of binding official doctrines for all members.
• Other groups that reject extra-biblical documents, such as the Churches of Christ, are not large global denominations with a single central authority and lack unified doctrines across all congregations due to their emphasis on individual interpretation.

SDA did not even warrant an honorable mention. Neither did the Lutherans, which is understandable due to the synodical Structure. Each confessional Synod being autonomous whether congregationalist or episcopal in governance; in full fellowship and agreement yet not administered by a single global authority; much the way the early Church was, and the Orthodox are today.

AI, can only be, by design, Biased. I could tweak the question to get Lutheran as an answer, but maybe not sort the confessional from the woke synods.

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samaus123456789 said:

Yes I believe it was Paul now, and can not be referring to someone else.
Claudius was known to kick people out (Acts 18 2), and exile people (Slavonic Josephus). Nero was known to kill people. One of those churches in Revelation (the rich one) was hit with a big earthquake 60 AD although they recovered by their own finances without need of government aid (Tacitus), and they would of rebuilt quickly by the sound of it. I want to date Revelation as early as possible because chapter 1-12 was about to come on the whole world (of first century Israel- Judea, Samaria, Galilee although mainly Judea), and those first Christians needed time to read the book, and understand ch 1-12 was about them. So I believe it was written 41-49 AD. Nero is too late I feel.

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I agree that Revelation, chapters 1-12, was imperative for the first-century Christians to read and understand, as was Matthew 24, chapters 1-35.

The heaven and the earth of the Jews (their temple) literally passed away in 70 AD.

Nero committed suicide on June 9, 68 AD. He killed many Christians. He was an antichrist.

I think the final antichrist, aka the man of sin, will pretend to be the Jewish Messiah and that he will literally kill Enoch and Elijah, who have come back to earth to witness to the Jews that Jesus Christ is their true Messiah.

Unqualified said:

Do you believe the gospel? The wisdom of men is foolishness to God. You’re using some words that seem to dishonor Him. You parse and dissect but is there any belief as a little child. I’m not sure there is any truth to these beliefs of yours.

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Paul writes: "For since in the wisdom of God the world through its wisdom did not know him, God was pleased through the foolishness of what was preached to save those who believe" (1 Cor. 1:21). His 'foolishness' language in 1 Corinthians 1:18-25 affirms that "the foolishness of God is wiser than human wisdom." This represents the trickster's essential domain: the subversion of expected patterns. The Pauline concept of mōria (foolishness/folly) of the cross thus provides biblical foundation for the trickster interpretation.

Gullible goyim.

Strong in Him said:

Rubbish.
Was it Jews who set up, and named, N.A.S.A? And even if it was, why would they call it after something that means "deceive" in a language that hardly anyone speaks?
Science is about discovering, experimenting and knowing - not deceiving.

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You’re surprised that the Brood of Vipers would behave this way?

Oompa Loompa said:

I used the term "red letter" to focus on it being a direct quote from Jesus. But was Jesus only talking about those churches at that time?

Luke 13:3-5 NIV
[3] I tell you, no! But unless you repent, you too will all perish. [4] Or those eighteen who died when the tower in Siloam fell on them—do you think they were more guilty than all the others living in Jerusalem? [5] I tell you, no! But unless you repent, you too will all perish.”

Apparently, Jesus is making a universal statement that applies to everyone. Repent or perish. How will they perish you ask? Revelation 21:8.

Are you promoting universalism?

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Is that why you think it was a righteous act to kill those men in the water? That they were so evil that they had to be killed before they had an opportunity to repent?