Belk said:

You can lead a horse to water but you can't make him cogitate.

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Would you say "No true atheist believes in God" ?

YeshuaFan said:

well, jesus stated that Genesis was a literal historical account

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Can you cite a verse?

SarahsKnight said:

(Referring to him playing Buck Williams in the Left Behind movies, right?)

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Serendipity. II never read the books or saw the movies

essentialsaltes said:

After they get through with studying vaccines and autism, they'll get on this hypothesis.

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We obviously need to start drafting pirates now.

DragonFox91 said:

Me too. You used to whine about it too? I never would’ve guessed. I am trying not to anymore tho I want to

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There are other sources of unhappiness beyond being single that gnaw at me more these days. If you have the rest of your life in a good place, then being frustrated as single would really weigh one down because it's the biggest void.

JohnB445 said:

That molecules ended up hitting each other forming amino acids and biological matter and that by chance Earth just had just the right properties to help harbor life, and that these molecules turned into living things, and eventually just knew how to evolve into more complex sentient beings, like all this happened by mere accident.

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God says the Earth brought forth living things. But it was no accident. He created it with the ability to produce life. And after life started? Darwin's great discovery was that it was no accident. Natural selection is the antithesis of chance.

It shouldn't be offensive to a believer to accept that God created the world to bring forth life and produce the variety of living things we see today.

linux.poet said:

Pretty sure that’s the Christian political philosophy, right there. Authorities, whether Christian or not, are tasked with the unenviable matter of containing and controlling sinful people so they do not unduly harm one another.

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The problem here is your use of the word "sin."

I don't think Paul had any intention of implying that Emperor Nero respected the concept of "sin" as Paul himself did.

"Sin" is a term that is effectively meaningful only to Christians. Non-believers are condemned by their unbelief...their actions, whether good or bad or right or wrong has no effect on their salvation. They are condemned by their non-belief. Paul tells us that unbelievers can't help but be in opposition to God. So, "sin" in terms of specific, individual actions is only meaningful to Christians.

So, the actions Paul's warning against in Romans and that Peter speaks of in 1 Peter are acts against orderly society that the emperor will quell to maintain social order...not "sins" as Paul would caution believers against.

And not "sins" that the Body of Christ should expect worldly governments to punish.

timothyu said:

Yes, bucking the establishment

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Lol. I got the reference. (Referring to him playing Buck Williams in the Left Behind movies, right?)

BobRyan said:

when people argue against the Sabbath commandment claiming it would be legalism to obey God's commandment, and when they argue against the command that says not to make images and bow down before them and offer to serve them... saying that to do as God says is "legalism" they miss the fact that we all know "do not take God's name in vain" should be obeyed also , just as it says, even though it is never quoted in the NT.

This detail keeps coming up

Almost every Christian denomination on Earth affirms the continued *"unit of TEN" for Christians today (including the Sabbath Commandment in the TEN, though they edit it in many case to point to week day 1)


[*]The Baptist Confession of Faith section 19
[*]The Westminster Confession of Faith section 19
[*]Voddie Baucham
[*]C.H. Spurgeon
[*]D.L. Moody
[*]Dies Domini by Pope John Paul II
[*]D. James Kennedy
[*]R.C. Sproul
[*]many others as well..

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Well only problem is that the covenant made with Abraham is broken, just like Moses broke the tablets.

7So I became the shepherd of the flock doomed to be slaughtered by the sheep traders. And I took two staffs, one I named Favor, the other I named Union. And I tended the sheep. 8In one month I destroyed the three shepherds. But I became impatient with them, and they also detested me. 9So I said, “I will not be your shepherd. What is to die, let it die. What is to be destroyed, let it be destroyed. And let those who are left devour the flesh of one another.” 10And I took my staff Favor, and I broke it, annulling the covenant that I had made with all the peoples. 11So it was annulled on that day, and the sheep traders, who were watching me, knew that it was the word of the LORD. 12Then I said to them, “If it seems good to you, give me my wages; but if not, keep them.” And they weighed out as my wages thirty pieces of silver. 13Then the LORD said to me, “Throw it to the potter”—the lordly price at which I was priced by them. So I took the thirty pieces of silver and threw them into the house of the LORD, to the potter. 14Then I broke my second staff Union, annulling the brotherhood between Judah and Israel.

So the Sabbath that remains is the one we enter through faith which has been so eloquently explained by Paul.

.Mikha'el. said:

It's not always easy to be single. I think all unattached people go through periods of real struggle with loneliness. It almost destroyed me in my 20s. I must have driven the rest of the Singles forum crazy with my whining about it, lol.

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Me too. You used to whine about it too? I never would’ve guessed. I am trying not to anymore tho I want to

BPPLEE said:

Calling an apple an apple is not judging and you can call a pig a dog but it doesn't make it so

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You can lead a horse to water but you can't make him cogitate.

You used fancy words to NOT explain why you feel the criminality concepts are different.

Belk said:

<shrug>
You can continue to post selected criteria, but it does not change the underlying fallacy. The fact remains their is no single view of Christianity and you are not the judge of which view is correct.

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Calling an apple an apple is not judging and you can call a pig a dog but it doesn't make it so
Can a man profess a belief in God and be an atheist?
Or would you say "No true atheist believes in God"?

BobRyan said:

Since I am quoting, and bolding section 19 above including all the sections you are carefully avoiding in section 19? err umm "yeah"

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So did you actually read it. You know that it does not help your case right?

BobRyan said:

I think that is one of the very few points where your side and my side agree.

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Not according to your church. Your church add works of the law for salvation such as sabbath keeping and the dietary laws.

BobRyan said:

That's Paul... perhaps you have mistaken me for Paul.

"do we then make void the LAW of God by our faith? God forbid! in fact we ESTABLISH the LAW" Rom 3;31
Rom 4 "where there is no LAW there is NO SIN"
The new Covenant writes the LAW of God on the heart Heb 8, Rom 2, Jer 31:31-34

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Your verse mining guarantees an incorrect interpretation. As I stated above your church adds works of the law to the salvation formula.

BobRyan said:

a point where all sides agree.

You should settle in on the differences

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We can’t settle our differences because we are on opposite sides. The scriptures teach that salvation is by the grace of God through faith without works but your church teach that salvation is by faith plus the works of the law. The faster you realize this the faster you can get away from legalism.

BobRyan said:

Sabbath is in the NT the one that is not repeated is "Do no take God's name in vain" . It is never quoted even in part in the NT.

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It’s implied while the 4th commandment is not even implied. Jesus became the Lord of the sabbath. Why didn't Jesus become the Lord of the “do not take the name of God in vain“ commandment? Do you really not see it?

BobRyan said:

Jesus' Commands in Matt 22 are directly from the LAW of Moses

"Love God with all your heart" Deut 6:5
"Love your neighbor as yourself" Lev 19:18..

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‘Yep. And?

BobRyan said:

And in Matt 22 Jesus said those two commands in the LAW of Moses are the bedrock foundation for all of scripture itself. He does not say that the part of the LAW of Moses you claim to prefer in Matt 22 is the "hammer that deletes all of scripture". Maybe we both can agree on that as well.

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Why do you continue to add theological drama to your argument? You do know that is an emotional fallacy right? Do you not know that we are under the ministry of the Spirit? That we no longer need a tutor? That Christ died for the sins of the world? That the law does not justify or lead us to repentance?

So your saying that ASL is not a useful language for the deaf because of a few bad interpreters and the inability to explain why Killary is either funny or astute.

trophy33 said:

Premises:
1. The Sabbath was a part of the Mosaic Law and of the Mosaic Law only.
2. The Law was only for Jews, since Moses till Christ.
3. Even the book of Genesis was a theological part of the Mosaic Law and is not literal (namely in its creation account).

If these premises are all true, we are not supposed to keep the Sabbath.

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We keep the Sabbath holy by putting faith on Jesus Christ and not on our ability to obey the law. We are alive in God's rest through faith.

JSRG said:

There actually was some strategy to this. If they didn't indict in time, then that was it; it was over due to the statute of limitations. By indicting in time, even if it was rushed and sloppy (hence the dismissal), they'd have an extra 6 months to bring a new indictment (probably--there is an argument that the initial indictment might have been botched so badly it doesn't actually count as an indictment, and that it therefore wouldn't fall under the statute that grants the 6-month extension for re-indictment after a dismissal if it's now past the statute of limitations).

Granted, the case against Comey is by all appearances so weak I have doubts they can even bring it to trial, and I'd be absolutely amazed if they could actually convict; it would've made more sense to just not bring it at all, hence why they notoriously had to fire the prosecutor who didn't want to bring it in and bring in someone who had no experience prosecuting to do it instead. Still, if your goal is to convict, however slim your odds are, and your choices are "do a rushed and sloppy indictment and keep the case alive or don't indict at all and you lose it forever" the former is obviously the better one.

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There is also the issue that they botched this one so badly they now have to throw out a lot of the evidence. I don't think they were planning on using the six month extension, I think they lucked into that.

I spent Christmas Eve once driving 1200 miles 955 miles to be home with family arriving at 230 AM That was decades ago and was the last time I missed the Midnight Christmas Eve service Which to me IS celebrating Christmas

BPPLEE said:

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Those who love me keep my commandments, and you will know them by their fruit

Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?

17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.

18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.

19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.

20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.

(Luke 6:46; 13:26, 27 ) 21 ¶ Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?

23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

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<shrug>
You can continue to post selected criteria, but it does not change the underlying fallacy. The fact remains their is no single view of Christianity and you are not the judge of which view is correct.

Always in His Presence said:

No

Nordic think everything he does has an ulterior or evil motive.

Open thread on the subject and I’ll jump in.

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Nah, My point is we might vote for someone with reluctance and even regret. A vote does not mean we support and endorse everything they stand for.

Hentenza said:

This is irrelevant regarding my question to the other poster. Nothing in my question about shadows.

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The part where the covenant is broken. Dietary laws belong to that covenant.

A people who keep the faith- righteous Christians:

Isaiah 26:11 Lord; Your hand is lifted high, let the fire reserved for Your enemies consume them. The godless cannot see how You will protect Your people.

Isaiah 26:20-21 Go My people, enter your rooms and shut the doors after you. Withdraw for a little while, until the Lord’s wrath has passed. The Lord is coming from His dwelling place to punish the inhabitants of the earth for their sins. Then the earth will show the blood shed on it and hide the slain no more.

Isaiah 25:9 On that Day, Your people will say: See, this is our God, we have waited for Him and He will deliver us, let us rejoice and exult in His deliverance.

Isaiah 25:1-3 God Almighty, You are my God, I shall praise You, for You have done wonderful things – long planned, certain and sure. You have turned cities into heaps of rubble, their houses swept away – never to be rebuilt. For this, many a cruel nation is in awe of You.

Isaiah 26:16-19 In our distress, Lord, we sought You out, chastened by the whisper of Your rebuke. As a woman with child cries out in her pains, so were we because of You, Lord. Our labour has been in vain, we achieved nothing for Your Land or people. But Your dead will live, those long dead who lay in the earth, will rise again, they will arise and shout for joy.

Isaiah 25:4-5 Truly, You have been a refuge to the poor and needy in their distress, their shelter from the tempest, shade from the heat. For the attack of the godless gets them nowhere and You silence the uproar of our enemies.

Isaiah 26:15 Lord, You have enlarged the nation and won honour for Yourself. You have extended all the frontiers of this country.

Isaiah 26:1-2 On that Day this song will be sung in Judah; We have a strong city – Open the gates, let a righteous nation enter, a people who kept the faith.
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The Lord’s hand of judgement is ready to strike, the fire reserved for Your enemies will consume them. Isaiah 66:15-16, Malachi 4:1, Revelation 6:12-17
for the attack of the godless gets them nowhere, The fulfilment of Psalms 83, Micah 4:11-12, Jeremiah 49:35-37

Whole cities are destroyed and those killed will lie unburied. Amos 1:1-15, Ezekiel 30:1-5, Jeremiah 9:22, Ezekiel 21:1-7, Isaiah 17:1

But the Lord will be a refuge for His righteous people. Psalms 62:5-8, Zephaniah 2:3

..shade from the heat, they; withdraw for a little while,– take shelter from the fire reserved for His enemies, a huge Coronal Mass Ejection fireball, that will destroy them. Isaiah 30:26-30, Proverbs 3:25-26, Zephaniah 3:8, 2 Peter 3:7

Then: a righteous nation [people group] enters, Matthew 21:43, into all of the holy Land area, as promised to the Patriarchs, by descent or grafted in by faith. Galatians 3:36-29
They will live in the new country of Beulah, all of the holy Land: in peace and prosperity. Isaiah 62:1-5, Isaiah 35:1-10, Ezekiel 34:11-31, Jeremiah 31:10-14, Isaiah 27:6, Ezekiel 28:24-26, Romans 9:24-26
They are all the faithful Christians from every race, nation and language, Isaiah 66:18b-21, Revelation 7:9, who will fulfill their destiny to be a light to the nations and His witnesses to the world. Isaiah 43:10-12, John 15:27, Isaiah 66:19, Isaiah 49:8

Your dead will rise again This happens later, Jesus will bring the souls of the dead martyrs with Him at His Return. Revelation 6:9-11, Revelation 20:4 and then, after the Millennium. all who have ever lived will stand before God in Judgement. Revelation 20:11-15 and those people found worthy; their names Written in the Book of Life, will receive immortality.

jonojim1337 said:

Well the answer to your question that not following the shadow of former things is not a sin.

Also,

7So I became the shepherd of the flock doomed to be slaughtered by the sheep traders. And I took two staffs, one I named Favor, the other I named Union. And I tended the sheep. 8In one month I destroyed the three shepherds. But I became impatient with them, and they also detested me. 9So I said, “I will not be your shepherd. What is to die, let it die. What is to be destroyed, let it be destroyed. And let those who are left devour the flesh of one another.” 10And I took my staff Favor, and I broke it, annulling the covenant that I had made with all the peoples. 11So it was annulled on that day, and the sheep traders, who were watching me, knew that it was the word of the LORD. 12Then I said to them, “If it seems good to you, give me my wages; but if not, keep them.” And they weighed out as my wages thirty pieces of silver. 13Then the LORD said to me, “Throw it to the potter”—the lordly price at which I was priced by them. So I took the thirty pieces of silver and threw them into the house of the LORD, to the potter. 14Then I broke my second staff Union, annulling the brotherhood between Judah and Israel.

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This is irrelevant regarding my question to the other poster. Nothing in my question about shadows.