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timewerx · 2025-11-15T14:37:44-0600

JustaPewFiller said:
Lets say they are successful at the whole lot of it and 40 years from now there are a bunch of folks wandering around who are better looking, smarter, faster, stronger and healthier that us normal folk.

Naturally, the "supers" will rise to the top. They'll probably have a head start anyway because they'll mostly come from well off families who could afford the treatments.

What do the "supers" that are now running the show do with the rest of us mere "normals" ?

Nature could have done it or aliens. Could have happened over 40 years ago too. Just wondering why not well off families (would privilege waste those 'super genes' and lead to a dumbed down development?)? Not that I'm complaining. I wouldn't have changed a thing.

Clare73 · 2025-11-15T14:35:39-0600

9Rock9 said:
Hello!

I'm undecided about eschatology but doing some research on it. I think good points are made for both amillennialism and premillennialism. The only view I currently hold to with is inaugurated eschatology (or "already and not yet") where most prophecy has double fulfillment. It's normally associated with George Eldon Ladd, who was a premillennialist, but I don't see why one can't be amillennial and also agree with inaugurated eschatology.

I'm wondering if one can hold to a non-literalistic premillennialism?
Like, I don't think the events in Revelation are strictly chronological and probably could be oit of order or just the same events from different angles.
I also don't know if I believe the 1,000 years mentioned in the book to be be a literal millennium.
Could one believe in a Millennial State after the Second Coming, but not think the Millennial Kingdom will be a literal 1,000 years?

Yes. . .because it is all prophetic riddle not spoken clearly (Nu 12:6-8) and subject to more than one inpterpretation.

I see the book of Daniel as the key to the structure of the visions in Rev, where the visions of Daniel and Rev were
the sum of prophecy revealed by the Son of Man (Dan 10:4-9, Rev 1:12-18),
from the book of God's eternal decrees (Da 10:21, Rev 12:1),
regarding the OT Church (Da 2:28, 826, 10:14), the NT Church (Rev 1:19, 10:11) and their ends (Da 8:19, Rev 10:7, 11:18, 16:17, 21:6),
Daniel being in four (chps 2, 7 8, 10-11) and Rev in seven (chps1-3, 4-7, 8-11, 12-14, 1516, 17-19, 20-22) progressive parallelisms,
each revealing more detail of the same events and things.

I see the "millennium'" of Rev 20 to be figurative of the church age. where the "first resurrection" is from eternal death into eternal life in the new birth.

keras · 2025-11-15T14:34:23-0600

Isaiah 49:1-26 Listen to Me you peoples far distant,...... But Zion [the Land] said: The Lord has forsaken me, and my Lord has forgotten me…. The children which you will have, after you have lost the former ones, shall say to you: This place is too small for us, give us more space to dwell . Then you will say to yourself: Who has begotten me these, seeing I have lost my children, and am alone and desolate, and where have they come from? Thus says the Lord GOD, Behold, I will lift up mine hand to the Gentiles, and set up my standard to the people: and they shall bring thy sons in their arms, and thy daughters shall be carried upon their shoulders, for they shall not be ashamed that have faith in Me.

Hebrews 12:22-24 But you have come unto mount Zion......
We Christians are the latter children of Zion, Spiritually of the twelve tribes, the true Israelites of God, all the faithful Christian peoples from every tribe, race, nation and language. Revelation 5:9-10

timewerx · 2025-11-15T14:30:18-0600

Ironically, it's both prophesied and Biblical teaching that attending church will no longer be necessary.

1 John 2:27
As for you, the anointing you received from him remains in you, and you do not need anyone to teach you. But as his anointing teaches you about all things and as that anointing is real, not counterfeit—just as it has taught you, remain in him.

John 16:13
But when he, the Spirit of truth, comes, he will guide you into all the truth. He will not speak on his own; he will speak only what he hears, and he will tell you what is yet to come.

Propecy of it:

Jeremiah 31:33:34
33“But this is the covenant I will make with the house of Israel after those days, declares the LORD. I will put My law in their minds and inscribe it on their hearts. And I will be their God, and they will be My people. 34No longer will each man teach his neighbor or his brother, saying, ‘Know the LORD,’ because they will all know Me, from the least of them to the greatest, declares the LORD. For I will forgive their iniquities and will remember their sins no more.”

Many will counter that by saying the Holy Spirit will guide Christians to attend church but 1 John 2:27 already negates it.

Some will quote Paul's epistles but not aware that Paul's teachings are under a heavy cultural and period-specific context which Paul himself said - 1 Corinthians 9:19-23

Freth · 2025-11-15T14:29:52-0600

keras said:
Be aware that the Lord does NOT Return in a consuming fire, but in glory, as described in 1Thess 4:16 and Revelation 19:11-14

He SENDS fire, Psalms 11:4-6, to destroy His enemies in the Holy Land, Zephaniah 1:14-18, and to commence the Prophesied end time events.

"Also, consuming fire." In addition to.

"The Lord is a consuming fire," is referring to both His countenance (Exodus 34:17, Revelation 1:16, Revelation 19:11-16) and His wrath (Jeremiah 4:4, Revelation 6:15-17, Revelation 19:21). His countenance is as the brightness of the sun. A CME isn't necessary. Fire and brimstone from heaven comes after the thousand year reign of Christ (2 Peter 3:7, Revelation 20:7-9).

JimR-OCDS · 2025-11-15T14:21:41-0600

Lady Bug said:
Hi, I'm always in the mood of "I'm never going to not feel alone at Mass, before Mass, or after Mass" but some times are more intense than others. It might be getting worse in November and December. I can't decide whether to sit in the nave until most of the people leave, and then leave myself, rather than leave at the same time that everyone else is talking to each other in the nave or vestibule. I don't know if it would make me feel better or worse. Can someone tell me which method they would prefer for themselves?

Learn to detach from the need to be accepted. I've gone through this and I'm still learning to detach from that
necessity in my life.

JimR-OCDS · 2025-11-15T14:18:53-0600

Michie said:
There are many Protestants that think this way as well.

Faith in Jesus must be first. Christ came into my life before I returned to the Church. It was
through Him that I returned to the Church and grew spiritually. Without the revelation
of Jesus Christ, I would probably not have returned to the Church.

JimR-OCDS · 2025-11-15T14:16:48-0600

Valletta said:
The conclusion is misleading. As to attending mass, the question was "Belief in Jesus does not require attending Mass."

Attending Mass deepens a person's relationship with Jesus if they have faith. However, just attending Mass out of obligation
and daydreaming through it does not mean the person has faith.

Robban · 2025-11-15T14:11:50-0600

jonojim1337 said:
The claim about, the second temple being destroyed. It’s not destroyed. The first one suffered an attack. But it’s not in Palestine.

From Chabad.org knowledge base,

Destruction of the Temple.

According to Josephus, Titus did not want the Temple to be burnt, apparently because a standing Temple would reflect more on Rome`s glory.

It was a Roman soldier acting on his own initiative who, hoisted on the shoulders of another soldier,
threw a firebrand into the Temple.

Titus tried to put a stop to the fire, but in the chaos, his soldiers did not hear him.

(Other historians contradict this account of Titus`s enlightened perspective and report that Titus ordered the Temple destroyed.)

The Liturgist · 2025-11-15T14:08:56-0600

hedrick said:
The free will arguments in the 19th cent seems largely not to have much heat anymore, though there are a few gung-ho Calvinists (at least there were a few years ago -- I haven't noticed that so much recently).

Alas they are still very much with us.

hedrick said:
Currently sex and gender seem to be the big dividing line

That’s what you’d think, except on CF at least I keep finding myself and Episcopalian friends such as @PloverWing and @seeking.IAM in mutual opposition to Restorationists who attack all traditional churches including the Episcopal Church, which I still love greatly (and which also still has, to be fair, more moderate and conservative members than most people realize, with such members present even on CF), Nashotah House, a seminary so traditional in every respect it once assisted the major Eastern Orthodox seminaries in the US), and the Orthodox Church, traditional Lutherans and so on over our refusal to embrace Sabbatarianism or Iconoclasm, or more recently with PloverWing in opposition to the idea of replacing the word “kingdom” in the Lord’s Prayer wirh “kin-dom” being engaged in by some theologians which seem more interested in political correctness than in any kind of adherence to traditional theology.

I would also point to this Traditional Theology forum as an example of traditional Christians uniting despite having substantial disagreements on some issues.

Douggg · 2025-11-15T13:59:57-0600

keras said:
Although we are told that we live for 3 score and ten - 70 years and to 80, provided health and good luck holds out; this is not a cut off point as I can attest. I was born in 1941, so I saw Israel become a nation again. Now at age 84, I still go bike riding, hiking and do house renovations, etc.
I expect to live for a while yet, hope to make 100; so I believe I will see it all.

But what is Prophesied to happen next, is the great and terrible Day of the Lords fiery wrath, The event which will set the scene for all what must happen before Jesus Returns. Which I date to about 2034.

Well, if Gog/Magog happens to the present nation of Israel, there goes your solar flare depopulation event and replacement nation theory.

Douggg · 2025-11-15T13:56:29-0600

RainySunflower said:
Fig tree - solve this problem for me. ^^

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Fig tree is 80 years, not 40. ^^ That aligns with 2028.
Jesus was also born 4-5 BC , not 0 BC , and died 33 , so that also aligns with 2028. ^^

Hard to argue with 2028. ^^

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Israel metaphorically represent a fig tree according to Joel 1:7. That is one basis for 1948 as the base year.

The other representation of a fig tree is Jerusalem. In Matthew 21:18-20, Jesus cursed a fig tree for not bearing fruit, representing that the Jews of Jerusalem would not bear fruit by rejecting him as their King of Israel.

In 1967, the Jews regained control of Jerusalem. Based on 1967 at the base year, 1967 + 70/generation = 2037. Jesus will return not later than the end of 2037. Minus 7 years =2030. Meaning the Gog/Magog event that just precedes the 7 years, will happen sometime before the end of 2030.

Considering the current status between Israel and Iran, it looks like Gog/Magog should happen sooner.

sjastro · 2025-11-15T13:49:23-0600

stevevw said:
Here we go again. It doesn't matter who I link everyone is a whacko. You are only proving my point of double standards and bias.

Chris King the framebuilder
For anyone not familiar with Chris, his hubs and headsets (made right here in Portland) are considered to be the best in the world and they have been ridden to three Tour de France victories by the US Postal Service and Discovery Channel teams.

Chris King the framebuilder

[Chris and an old friend.] While at the Chris King Tour de France party last night, I heard someone mention that a guy rolled up on a bicycle made by Chris King himself. In all my years in the bike industry, including a stint as a King employee, I was surprised I'd never heard about this before.

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So if the vases involve machining of any sort and knowledge of precision tooling would not someone with 50 years experience know. Why do you make out good people who are experts are nothing, know nothing on this topic. Its an obvious misrepresentation and that your willing to deminish peoples credibility is another sign of double standards and bias.

We are not just talking about a modern lathe. We are talking about a circular striration at the base of the interior or what was a bowl or vase.

Its that the circular striration points to machining of some sort. Full stop.

Its clearly not pounding, chiseling or hand grinding. Its more like a machine cut whatever you want to call the device be it a lathe or some other method.

Did you not listen to Christ King the expert who uses lathes and precision tooling machines everyday to world class standards. He should know better than you.

Try to get it through your thick skull this does not make him an expert on the use of copper tubes, abrasives and bow drills.
This is clearly evident in his explanation of the following striations.

Tell me what type of precision tool produces the irregular striations particularly evident on the left hand side of the hole?
It comes as no surprise this pattern along with the associated drill core has been reproduced using a copper tube, abrasives, bow drill and most importantly when the tool wobbles which realigns the tube and moves the mobile abrasive around.

Researcher / Group	Method Used	Material Tested	How Circular Striations Were Produced	Result Compared to Egyptian Artifacts	Notes
Flinders Petrie (1880–1883)	Copper tube drills + quartz sand abrasive	Granite, diorite	Copper tube rotated with loose abrasive cutting a cylindrical groove; abrasive embeds in copper, creating repeated circular scoring	Very similar concentric circular striations documented in Pyramids and Temples of Gizeh	Petrie first scientifically described “circular” and “spiral” drill marks.
Denys A. Stocks (1980s–2000s)	Copper tube drills, bow-drills, copper saws	Granite, limestone, quartzite, diorite	Abrasive-charged copper tube rotated by bow-drill; grooves match spacing and depth seen on ancient drill cores	Near-identical to Old Kingdom drill marks	Full results published in Experiments in Egyptian Archaeology.
Dr. Peter Jones & Manchester Ancient Technology Centre (MAST)	Sand-charged copper drilling with reconstructed Old Kingdom tools	Alabaster, granite	Tube-drill removes a cylindrical core; repeated rotations create ring-shaped striations	Matches vase interiors and drill cores from Giza & Saqqara	Demonstrated vase-drilling feasibility with period tools.
Geoffrey Killen	Reconstruction of bow-drills and rotary tools	Soft–hard stones	Drilling produced radial and circular grooves depending on abrasive grain size	Markings matched archaeological specimens	Killen focused on mechanical performance of drill bearings & handles.
Franz Löhner – Cheops Project	Copper tube drill, copper saws, quartz sand	Granite, limestone	Produced distinct circular and spiral striations identical in pattern	Matched spiral forms observed by Petrie	Documented experiments showing copper + quartz is sufficient.
Independent replications (responses to Chris Dunn claims)	Copper tube + quartz abrasive	Granite	Striations identical to those Dunn attributed to advanced machinery	Replicated all key features using copper tools	Demonstrated no exotic technology is required.

stevevw said:
Are you kidding. What about the long cut along the surface that moves the the contour. What about the arc cuts. Are we loking at the same thing.

The common consensus is the Egyptians used a technique known as relief drilling where they drilled small overlapping holes which were chiselled away and smoothed with abrasives.
Once again experimental archaeologists using this technique have reproduced the arc cuts.

Researcher / Team	Date	Tools Used	Stone Types Tested	What Was Reproduced	Key Results
Dr. Denys A. Stocks (UK)	1970s–2000s	• Copper tube drills• Bow drills & weighted drills• Quartz sand abrasive• Dolerite chisels	Granite, Gabbro, Diorite, Limestone, Alabaster	Full relief drilling: overlapping tubular holes, chiseling out “webs,” interior smoothing	✔ Successfully created deep slots, pockets, and internal right angles✔ Matched Egyptian drill striations and scalloped surfaces exactly✔ Proved tubular drilling + chisels could produce complex interiors
Waseda University Egyptian Expedition (Yoshimura et al.)	1980s–1990s	• Copper tube drills• Wooden drill frames• Quartz abrasive• Dolerite chisels	Granite, Sandstone, Diorite	Relief drilling for architectural sockets and statue bases	✔ Produced deep intersecting drill holes✔ Chiseling between holes produced pockets identical to Old Kingdom examples✔ Confirmed practicality for box interiors and corners
Independent experimentalists (Ian Skiller, etc.)	1990s–2000s	• Hand-held copper tube drills• Abrasive slurry• Small chisels	Granite, Diorite, Basalt	Replication of relief-drilled niches, grooves, and internal corners	✔ Achieved drill scallops identical to artifacts✔ Successfully created L-shaped recesses via overlapping drill holes✔ Demonstrated the technique works with minimal equipment
Flinders Petrie (observational groundwork)	1880s	Not experimental — recorded tool marks	Granite, Limestone (Giza & Saqqara)	Identified ancient overlapping drill holes and tubular drilling	✔ Provided the archaeological evidence later reproduced by experimental work✔ Recorded drill diameters and striation patterns

stevevw said:
I recall you even acknowledging one of those cuts as a modern forgery. So you certainly recognised that it looked like a machine cut. If the others look similar why are they not also the same.

Let me give you some advice if you want to continue to take me out of context you are making yourself look even more stupid than what you are.

stevevw said:
This is rediculous. Your turning one of the worlds best precision toolers in precision parts into a dumb bike maker. No one can have a discussion like this and just dismiss good people and devalue their expertise.

Engaging in hyperbole is a form of lying as I never referred to him as a dumb bike maker but as my post reveals he is rank amateur when it comes to explaining striations on ancient Egyptian objects.

BlessedDisciple · 2025-11-15T13:40:40-0600

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fli · 2025-11-15T13:37:11-0600

BelieveItOarKnot said:
Does loving all our neighbors also mean we can think they are going to burn alive forever?

Asking for a neighbor

1 John 3:22 And whatever we ask we receive from Him, because we keep His commandments and do those things that are pleasing in His sight. 23 And this is His commandment: that we should believe on the name of His Son Jesus Christ and love one another, as He gave us commandment. NKJV

Love one another in verse 23 is not love our neighbor. We do not have to keep any New Testament law to be saved.

John 13:34 A new commandment I give to you, that you love one another; as I have loved you, that you also love one another. 35 By this all will know that you are My disciples, if you have love for one another." NKJV

Above is the second commandment in 1John 3:23. We are to love other Christians as Jesus loved us. As you can read verse 35 states by this all will know that you are my disciples, both the one loving and the one loved are disciples

Leviticus 19:18 You shall not take vengeance, nor bear any grudge against the children of your people, but you shall love your neighbor as yourself: I am the Lord. NKJV

Above is the OT law to love your neighbor as you love yourself. If we love Jesus, we will keep this one. If we don't keep it we will not be in the Spirit, and the Father will discipline us. We will not lose salvation.

Doesn't your church teach the bible? Do you read the bible?

keras · 2025-11-15T13:36:26-0600

RainySunflower said:
Fig tree is 80 years, not 40. ^^ That aligns with 2028.

Although we are told that we live for 3 score and ten - 70 years and to 80, provided health and good luck holds out; this is not a cut off point as I can attest. I was born in 1941, so I saw Israel become a nation again. Now at age 84, I still go bike riding, hiking and do house renovations, etc.
I expect to live for a while yet, hope to make 100; so I believe I will see it all.

But what is Prophesied to happen next, is the great and terrible Day of the Lords fiery wrath, The event which will set the scene for all what must happen before Jesus Returns. Which I date to about 2034.

pastorwaris · 2025-11-15T13:30:42-0600

Dear Beloved Brothers and Sisters in Christ,
Grace, mercy, and peace be multiplied unto you in the precious name of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.

As we draw near to the celebration of our Savior’s birth, my heart grows heavy for our Christian brothers, sisters, and innocent children suffering in bondage under landlords and brick kiln owners across the rural areas of our nation. Many of them work from dawn to dusk, enduring hunger, poverty, and hopelessness yet they still lift their eyes to heaven and whisper,
“Lord, remember us.”

The Word of God commands us:
“Remember those in prison as if you were together with them in prison, and those who are mistreated as if you yourselves were suffering.” Hebrews 13:3

This Christmas, when we gather around lighted trees and share gifts in warmth and love, let us not forget those who have none. There are children who have never known the joy of a Christmas gift, and families who long simply to know that they are not forgotten by their brothers and sisters in Christ.

Our Lord Jesus began His ministry by proclaiming:
“The Spirit of the Lord is upon Me, because He has anointed Me to preach good news to the poor; He has sent Me to proclaim freedom for the prisoners and recovery of sight for the blind, to set the oppressed free.” Luke 4:18

Beloved, this same Spirit calls upon us today. Through our prayers, gifts, and acts of compassion, we can become the hands and feet of Jesus bringing light to those who sit in darkness and hope to those who feel forgotten.

I humbly invite you to:

Pray for God’s divine help and deliverance for these families.

Consider a special offering or Christmas gift to bless the children and provide relief to the families. in face of Finance or Warm Clothes, or Food.

Share this burden with others in your church and community, that together we may awaken hearts to love in action.

“Whoever has pity on the poor lends to the Lord, and He will repay him for his good deed.” Proverbs 19:17
Let us not celebrate Christmas merely in words and songs, but in deeds of mercy and compassion. May the love of Christ stir every heart to give, to pray, and to stand with our suffering brothers and sisters until the chains of injustice are broken and freedom sings in every home.

With heartfelt love and prayer,
Pastor Waris Masih
Servant of God
pastor.waris777@gmail.com
+923443085480

Studyman · 2025-11-15T13:29:02-0600

HIM said:
The obeying the voice of God is of the hearing of faith that Paul speaks of in Galatians 3. We know this to be true because verse 6 starts with the words “even as” when the spirit speaks of Abraham believing God. And all this is being said in respect to Paul speaking of us being dead but alive, yet not us but the Christ living in us. And the life we now live in the flesh we live by the faith OF the Son of God who gave himself for us. And this Faith is how we are justified. Because we Know that a man is not justified by the works of the law, if not (except) by the faith of Jesus Christ, as verse 2:16 says

Galatians 2:16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, if not (except) by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.

I agree. There was a Temporary LAW that was "ADDED" because of the golden calf, that Abraham didn't have, in which a man that sinned was required to take a goat to an anointed Levite Priest, and "kill it" before the Priest could provide for the remission of his sins. And this Law was to be in place, until the Prophesied "Lamb of God" should come. This added LAW, was to lead men with a repentant heart to Christ, which it did for Zacharias, Simeon and Anna, and untold others throughout history, including David, Shadrack and a host of other examples of Faithful men in the Holy Scriptures.

But the Pharisees, who Paul was contending with, didn't believe Jesus was the Christ, the Prophesied Messiah and even those who believed He was, were still requiring that the New converts should come to them, and adopt their religious traditions which Jesus exposed as commandments and traditions of men, not God.

Paul is explaining to the Gentiles that the Blood of goats and the Priesthood "Works of the Law" is not why they received the Spirit of understanding. It was their obedience to God, as Peter also teaches, which is called "Faith". When the same Gospel was given to the Israelites, most of them didn't believe God, and subsequently didn't "obey Him". Here is what God said about them.

Duet. 32: 15 But Jeshurun waxed fat, and kicked: thou art waxen fat, thou art grown thick, thou art covered with fatness; then he forsook God which made him, and lightly esteemed the Rock of his salvation. 16 They provoked him to jealousy with strange gods, with abominations provoked they him to anger. 17 They sacrificed unto devils, not to God; to gods whom they knew not, to new gods that came newly up, whom your fathers feared not. 18 Of the Rock that begat thee thou art unmindful, and hast forgotten God that formed thee.

19 And when the LORD saw it, he abhorred them, "because" of the provoking of his sons, and of his daughters. 20 And he said, I will hide my face from them, I will see what their end shall be: for they are a very froward generation, children in whom is no faith.

But Abraham believed God which resulted in obedience to Him, even when it meant offering up to God His most precious possession.

To confirm this, one should ask themselves, "When a man sinned, what Law did Moses tell them to engage in"? Did Moses say, "if a man sins, he shall keep the Sabbath holy and His sins are forgiven? No Him, he didn't. Did Moses say, "if a man sins he shall keep the 10 commandments and his sins are forgiven? No Sir, he didn't. None of these things were the "Works of the Law" that the Pharisees were still promoting for the remission of sins.

What did Moses say then, to the common man that sinned?

Lev. 4: 27 And if any one of the common people sin through ignorance, while he doeth somewhat against any of the commandments of the LORD concerning things which ought not to be done, and be guilty; 28 Or if his sin, which he hath sinned, come to his knowledge: then he shall bring his offering, a kid of the goats, a female without blemish, for his sin which he hath sinned. 29 And he shall lay his hand upon the head of the sin offering, and slay the sin offering in the place of the burnt offering. 30 And the priest shall take of the blood thereof with his finger, and put it upon the horns of the altar of burnt offering, and shall pour out all the blood thereof at the bottom of the altar. 31 And he shall take away all the fat thereof, as the fat is taken away from off the sacrifice of peace offerings; and the priest shall burn it upon the altar for a sweet savour unto the LORD; and the priest shall make an atonement for him, and it shall be forgiven him.

This is the "Work of the Law", that was "ADDED" 430 years after Abraham, to provide for the remission of sins. And it was to lead the repentant heart to the true Lamb of God.

It was the ONLY LAW that addressed transgressions in the Law and Prophets. Abraham wasn't given this LAW because he made a covenant with God, and Kept it.

Gen. 26: 1 And when Abram was ninety years old and nine, the LORD appeared to Abram, and said unto him, I am the Almighty God; walk before me, and be thou perfect. 2 And I will make my covenant between me and thee, and will multiply thee exceedingly.

Paul understood that this was only a temporary LAW, that was added after the Golden Calf, (because of transgressions) and in his way explained as much to the Galatians.

HIM said:
Galatians 3:2 This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the "works of the law", or by the hearing of faith?

The Galatians received the spirit because they obeyed God. Act's 1-5 is clear about that. But the Jews were promoting "works of the law" that had already come to an end, as Prophesied.

A Law that Abraham didn't have.

HIM said:
Galatians 3:3 Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh?

Are you so foolish having repented and "Yielded yourself a servant to obey God" from the heart, that you would adopt the traditions and philosophies of a religion that walked after the flesh and not the Spirit?

HIM said:
Galatians 3:4 Have ye suffered so many things in vain? if it be yet in vain.

You fell on the Christ and were broken, you forsook the religions and traditions of your fathers, like Abraham did. Was this in vain?

HIM said:
Galatians 3:5 He therefore that ministereth to you the Spirit, and worketh miracles among you, doeth he it by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?

Did Paul or Peter teach you to engage in the Old Priesthood "works of the Law" for the remission of your sins? Or by the hearing Faith, "that they should repent and turn to God, and do works meet for repentance.", as did Abraham?

HIM said:
Galatians 3:6 Even as Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.

How do we know Abraham believed God? How does anyone know?

1 John 2: 1 My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous: 2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world. 3 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.

Is this not the true test of a man's Faith?

Let me know where you think I'm off the rails, if indeed you do. Thanks for the discussion.

fhansen · 2025-11-15T13:28:16-0600

BelieveItOarKnot said:
Evil thoughts defile all regardless of choices, the general point of our Lord in Matt. 7:21-23

There is no escaping that fact by acting good and thinking that eliminates God's Facts

Matthew 7:21-23 refers to many, not all. And the gospel has nothing to do with just acting good, which Jesus denounces. It has to do with what happens when we turn to God in faith, becoming His people.
“I will put my law in their minds
and write it on their hearts.
I will be their God,
and they will be my people. Jer 31:33

God begins a work in us that we could never do on our owm, apart from Him.

Benaiah468 · 2025-11-15T13:23:05-0600

It is a statement that is difficult to bear.

‘No independent investigation has found that rapes took place on Oct 7.’

With this statement, Reem Alsalem, the UN Special Rapporteur on Violence against Women and Girls, has once again caused outrage. Not because there is a lack of information, but because she is disregarding the available evidence. While teams of United Nations experts, forensic specialists and humanitarian organisations have meticulously documented the atrocities, Alsalem has decided to publicly downplay this reality.

The fact that this statement comes from a high-ranking UN official makes it all the more explosive. On Oct 7, Hamas terrorists committed acts of sexual violence with a brutality that is almost impossible to describe. Most of the victims did not experience liberation. They were murdered, mutilated and buried. Many bodies were only brought to forensic scientists weeks later, in a condition that left no doubt as to what had happened.

An international team of UN experts reviewed hours of video footage, thousands of photos and numerous statements from survivors, first responders and independent witnesses. After this analysis, the experts determined that rapes had taken place in several locations at the same time: along Route 232, in the vicinity of the Nova Festival, and in Kibbutz Re'im. The patterns were clear. The violence followed a calculated approach aimed at humiliation, intimidation and maximum destruction.

These findings are the result of structured work, not political rhetoric. And yet Alsalem chooses the path of denial. This is not the first time she has ignored the Israeli context. She had previously stated that she knew nothing about rocket attacks on Israeli towns. Now she claims there is no evidence for crimes that have long been documented.

The crimes of Oct 7 are among the most serious attacks the country has ever experienced. The fact that a UN representative is ignoring the suffering of those affected sends a devastating signal: anyone who does not fit into the political narrative will have their pain downplayed. Those who are no longer alive cannot defend themselves.

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