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Clare73 · 2025-06-30T15:45:27-0500

2PhiloVoid said:
I understand. You start with certain presuppositions about the nature of the Bible that I have never begun with.

I start with the "presuppositions" which I demonstrated in post #69 that Jesus started with.

I share Jesus' view of the OT and, therefore, the historical church's view of the NT.

2PhiloVoid said:
But that's ok. I get where you're coming from. I mean----there is a reason I literally have several hundred Christian theology related books on my bookshelves. I like to be familiar with the spectrum of possibilities.

At what point will you decide if Scripture is the word of God and Jesus, or not?

Tropical Wilds · 2025-06-30T15:45:16-0500

RDKirk said:
If this were a true "safe space" for...whomever...there would be no opposite opinions allowed whatsoever.

Correct. There are no opposite opinions allowed for a variety of core issues.

GoldenBoy89 · 2025-06-30T15:45:09-0500

Canuckster said:
Canada rescinds Digital Services Tax after Trump cuts off U.S. trade talks
https://www.cnbc.com/2025/06/30/can...-tax-after-trump-cuts-off-us-trade-talks.html

Lol I heard y’all were nice but this is just embarrassing. Even Melanie puts up more of a fight than this.

RileyG · 2025-06-30T15:45:03-0500

BobRyan said:
When AI is confronted with this statement "Catholic church allows members to accept creation as fact and history"

It responds this way:

"The Catholic Church does not require its members to interpret the creation story in Genesis literally, and it allows for acceptance of evolution as a valid scientific theory. The Church acknowledges the scientific evidence for evolution while also upholding the belief in a divine creator and the creation of the universe. The Church emphasizes that the creation narratives in Genesis are not meant to be taken as literal historical accounts, but rather as symbolic expressions of theological truths about God's relationship with creation"

==================

when AI is confronted with this statement "The Seventh-day Adventist church allows members to accept creation as fact and history"

IT responds this way

"Yes, the Seventh-day Adventist Church teaches that its members should accept the biblical account of Creation as a
literal and historical event.

Here's a breakdown of their perspective on Creation:

Basis in Scripture: They believe the Bible, particularly the Genesis account, provides the authentic and historical record of God's creative activity.

Six-Day Creation: Seventh-day Adventists understand the Creation week as consisting of six literal, 24-hour days, followed by God resting on the seventh day.

Foundational Belief: The doctrine of Creation is considered a core belief for Seventh-day Adventists, forming the basis for other important aspects of their faith, including the observance of the seventh-day Sabbath.

Intelligent Design: They emphasize the idea of intelligent design, believing the intricate nature of the world points to a purposeful Creator.

....

Belief that God created the first man and first woman is mandatory. The Church just isn’t anti-science.

Tropical Wilds · 2025-06-30T15:44:38-0500

rjs330 said:
Lol, we cant share all of our opinions either. So dont worry the left is safe from those as well.

There’s a difference between you not being able to flame somebody you don’t like, and not being able to express a basic counter viewpoint on abortion, gay marriage, or social issues because somebody doesn’t like hearing it.

rjs330 said:
Its not the conservatives in society who want safe spaces nor to shut down speech we can't handle.

You keep saying that, yet nobody here has asked for that, nor is that something that’s a liberal belief. You keep saying it is because that’s the thing that conservative personalities and media project onto liberals, but it’s not something that’s core to liberal beliefs.

But I tell you what… How about we send a drag queen into a library, a transgender woman into a bathroom, or an openly gay male teacher into a kindergarten class. Let’s see who screeches about safe spaces then.

RileyG · 2025-06-30T15:43:41-0500

Valletta said:
There are real victims of these crimes by illegals.

Sad!

RileyG · 2025-06-30T15:42:47-0500

trophy33 said:
In the ideal world, hard, repetitive, boring work will be automated and humans can spend their time in creative, exploratory and similar jobs or hobbies.

I work in retail. The amount of people who say they don’t use self checkout because they “think it’s wrong” or “don’t work here” blow my mind.

Do they also have someone else pump their gas for them?

Cashiers are becoming obsolete.

Fervent · 2025-06-30T15:42:15-0500

ralliann said:
I am not shifting anything. You are the one telling me why people are Israel / a jew according to the Abrahamic covenant. But not according to the law.
For a stranger to become a Jew, He marries into a tribe through the woman. For a woman also to marry a jew. Then there are born Jew's. Like Tomothy's Mother. She was a Jewess married to a Greek. It did not make Tomothy a Jew, nor did it make his father a Jew. Circumcision of his household for a Male stranger and intermarriage into a tribe was the standard.
Samaritans have Separated themselves from all that. They ARE Samaritans. They don't claim tribal identity or marriage into a tribe.

You're conflating two different things, Jews a are members of the tribes of Judah and Benjamin, while Israel comprises all 12 tribes of Israel not just those two. When forced to recognize the heritage of the Samaritans you attempted to shift the goal posts by conceding their heritage but then claiming they somehow set themselves apart by disagreeing about which mountain to worship on, despite maaintaining the same circumcision practices that you claimed set the Jews apart. So is it circumcision, or the mountain they worship God on, that makes a Jew a member of the covenant community?

RileyG · 2025-06-30T15:41:14-0500

trophy33 said:
Soon, some Polish employees may have the opportunity to work six hours a day, enjoy a three-day weekend or take additional days of – leave without reducing their salary.

The programme will allow businesses, local authorities, foundations and trade unions to voluntarily test a shorter working week by either reducing working hours each day, extending the weekend to three days, or providing more annual leave days.

Regardless of the chosen method, participating organisations will have to maintain current salaries and staff numbers.

Sześć godzin pracy dziennie i trzydniowy weekend? Nowy pilotaż, który może zmienić polskie firmy

Już niebawem część polskich pracowników może zyskać możliwość pracy w wymiarze sześciu godzin dziennie, cieszyć się trzydniowym weekendem lub korzystać z dodatkowych dni urlopu – bez obniżenia wyna...

businessinsider.com.pl

https://notesfrompoland.com/2025/04/29/poland-to-launch-a-shorter-work-week-pilot-programme/

I wonder how it’s going to work out?

RileyG · 2025-06-30T15:40:40-0500

zippy2006 said:
In Free Speech Coalition, Inc. v. Paxton the Supreme Court ruled in favor of a Texas law that requires pornography sites to use age-verification in order to prohibit distribution to children (and all minors). The porn companies claimed that this violates the free speech rights of adults by forcing them to verify their age before accessing online pornography. The 6-3 opinion written by Justice Clarence Thomas rules that the law does not violate the free speech rights of adults. His reasoning, in short, is that we require adults to verify their age when they buy alcohol, cigarettes, and pornography at brick and mortar stores, so why can't we require adults to verify their age when they access online pornography? As long as there is a compelling interest to prohibit minors, there is a legitimate reason to require age verification.

This is a wonderful and very important ruling from SCOTUS. It not only protects children from pornography, but it also provides legislators with the ability to protect minors from other forms of dangerous online content. Kudos to Thomas and the five justices with good sense.

Thanks be to God!

RileyG · 2025-06-30T15:40:17-0500

Yttrium said:
Seems like a reasonable decision. The question is how would age be reliably verified? If the site can just provide a check box for people to click to verify that they're old enough, it's no big deal.

My thoughts exactly.

johansen · 2025-06-30T15:39:32-0500

Job 33:6 said:
It's right there in the Bible. I don't understand what you mean. Just open up to Genesis 1:26-27. Do you see Adams name mentioned there anywhere?

In which case you could still argue that the text says God made humanity...And then breathed a living soul into adam, which made for two clases of people. Those with living souls and those who dont.

Its a very useful teaching to keep a certain people and culture separate from the less than human gentiles.

Still doesnt help answer the question: does adam's name mean mankind or was he the first actual human with a living soul?

RDKirk · 2025-06-30T15:37:53-0500

Tropical Wilds said:
Bans end, my guy, and to keep from being banned again, I can’t talk about my actual views, because it will offend somebody on the right, trigger them into reporting me, all in the quest for a safe space.

If this were a true "safe space" for...whomever...there would be no opposite opinions allowed whatsoever.

Postvieww · 2025-06-30T15:36:51-0500

BCP1928 said:
That the people will grow tired of the Dictatorship of the Proletriat by Trump and look around for another version

There is no truth in your characterization of Trump!

ralliann · 2025-06-30T15:35:51-0500

Fervent said:
Your shifting of goal posts aside, it is their tribal heritage that makes them heirs. Israel is not just Benjamin and Judah.

I am not shifting anything. You are the one telling me why people are Israel / a jew according to the Abrahamic covenant. But not according to the law.
For a stranger to become a Jew, He marries into a tribe through the woman. For a woman also to marry a jew. Then there are born Jew's. Like Tomothy's Mother. She was a Jewess married to a Greek. It did not make Tomothy a Jew, nor did it make his father a Jew. Circumcision of his household for a Male stranger and intermarriage into a tribe was the standard.
Samaritans have Separated themselves from all that. They ARE Samaritans. They don't claim tribal identity or marriage into a tribe.

RocksInMyHead · 2025-06-30T15:33:07-0500

zippy2006 said:
So if I want to host things that are illegal for minors to view on my website, all I have to do is make the website shady and I'm good? As long as the website is seen to be technologically "insecure," then apparently on your reasoning we can never enforce age-restrictions on that website. Hmm.

Clearly you didn't read my previous post. A site does not need to be "shady" to suffer security breaches. Rather than focusing on whether a site is perfectly secure, the consideration should be to figure out ways of age verification that do not require the user to have any personally-identifying information stored on a web server.

zippy2006 said:
I think grocery stores that sell guns (to use the objector's example) are more untrustworthy and risky than grocery stores that do not sell guns, yep.

Why? (Also, the original question included beer, wine, and tobacco)

zippy2006 said:
That's what it means to say that there is a correlation.

No, it isn't. Correlation requires data, not just a feeling. If you claim there is a correlation between "untrustworthiness and risk" and selling products prohibited to minors, you must first define "untrustworthiness and risk," then provide statistics showing that the metrics by which you determine them are higher at stores that sell them compared to stores that do not. I point you to my signature

keras · 2025-06-30T15:32:56-0500

Leaf473 said:
I'm confused. I thought you were saying that was everyone?

Is it the same as Isaiah 66?

Gods plan to choose a people group, then to open up Salvation to all who will accept it, is not a difficult concept.
Jesus; the ultimate Man - the culmination of that chosen people, is the one Seed of Abraham and the only true Israel. Who Overcame Satan and Death for us, His followers, who can rightly claim the title of Israelite.
However, it is also a Biblical truth that God knows who and where the descendants of the House of Israel - the ten Northern tribes, are. Amos 9:9

Therefore; it is quite simple to deduce that the majority of the Christian peoples, do actually descend from Israel. In the nations of Europe, America and the British Commonwealth. Proved by how they received the Blessings of Jacob and Moses.

Isaiah 66:18b-21, is a Prophecy of the great second Exodus. How the Christian peoples will travel to and gather in all of the Holy Land.
This will happen soon after all the Middle East region has been cleared and cleansed by the Lord, by His terrible Day of fiery wrath. The Sixth Seal world changer that will commence all the things prophesied to take place before Jesus Returns. Deuteronomy 32:34-43, Revelation 6:12-17

CaDan · 2025-06-30T15:31:23-0500

bèlla said:
How was their wealth unjustly hoarded? Do you have examples?

~bella

My sister, I draw your attention to the words of St. Basil the Great in his homily on Luke 12:18 "I Will Pull Down My Barns":

“But whom do I treat unjustly,” you say, “by keeping what is my own?” Tell me, what is your own? What did you bring into this life? From where did you receive it? It is as if someone were to take the first seat in the theater, then bar everyone else from attending, so that one person alone enjoys what is offered for the benefit of all in common — this is what the rich do. They seize common goods before others have the opportunity, then claim them as their own by right of preemption. For if we all took only what was necessary to satisfy our own needs, giving the rest to those who lack, no one would be rich, no one would be poor, and no one would be in need.

Did you not come forth naked from the womb, and will you not return naked to the earth? Where then did you obtain your belongings? If you say that you acquired them by chance, then you deny God, since you neither recognize your Creator, nor are you grateful to the One who gave these things to you.

But if you acknowledge that they were given to you by God, then tell me, for what purpose did you receive them? Is God unjust, when He distributes to us unequally the things that are necessary for life? Why then are you wealthy while another is poor? Why else, but so that you might receive the reward of benevolence and faithful stewardship, while the poor are honored for patient endurance in their struggles? But you, stuffing everything into the bottomless pockets of your greed, assume that you wrong no one; yet how many do you in fact dispossess?

Who are the greedy? Those who are not satisfied with what suffices for their own needs. Who are the robbers? Those who take for themselves what rightfully belongs to everyone. And you, are you not greedy? Are you not a robber? The things you received in trust as a stewardship, have you not appropriated them for yourself? Is not the person who strips another of clothing called a thief? And those who do not clothe the naked when they have the power to do so, should they not be called the same? The bread you are holding back is for the hungry, the clothes you keep put away are for the naked, the shoes that are rotting away with disuse are for those who have none, the silver you keep buried in the earth is for the needy. You are thus guilty of injustice toward as many as you might have aided, and did not.

durangodawood · 2025-06-30T15:29:27-0500

ThatRobGuy said:
....These are questions that should've been asked in the 1990's, not in 2025.....

Humans are generally reactive about problems. And who can blame them? Its sometimes hard to predict what the problem will be. And people are wary of expending effort without certainty of a return in value.

Perhaps this is one of those times when we simply need to accept the pain and hassle of applying the solution late in the game and see what emerges?

Clare73 · 2025-06-30T15:29:23-0500

2PhiloVoid said:
You and I have different definitions for what constitutes "evaluation" and "credibility" apparently.

For me, to 'judge' the value of an ancient literary work such as the Bible isn't a moral evaluation; rather, it's a historical and epistemological one.

As Jesus believed the OT was the word of God (post #69), so I believe all Scripture is the God-breathed (theopnuestos) word (2 Tim 3:16), and that the word of God by its very nature is authoritative. . .it judges me, I don't judge it.

Time to read Knowing God by J. I. Packer, Regent College, Vancouver, recently deceased.

Love365 · 2025-06-30T15:27:26-0500

People could donate land and apartments to the Catholic Church.

On one condition.

The Catholic Church starts making women priests, bishops, and cardinals.

durangodawood · 2025-06-30T15:27:05-0500

GoldenBoy89 said:
It takes a special kind of evil to purposely target firefighters for no reason.

Well we dont know his reason, if any.

.Mikha'el. · 2025-06-30T15:26:14-0500

Wimbledon tennis

RileyG · 2025-06-30T15:25:51-0500

Fervent said:
Godly encouragement for repentance is a far cry from what most of the messaging regarding homosexuality and Christianity involves. Having engaged with homosexuals on these kinds of questions the messaging they hear is not a message of desire for repentance, but one of animosity and hatred for them as people. It's not a simple topic to deal with, in part because while we as Christians may not recognize the issues of personal identity involved the cracks run deeper. More often we are known by our hatred than by our love, despite Jesus' words to the opposite effect.

That’s entirely fair.

Fervent · 2025-06-30T15:25:43-0500

ralliann said:
So anyone circumcising their children is an heir? And I would argue they do not do so as Torah commands.

Daughters which were heirs, as there was no male to pass it to, were to marry into the tribe of their father.......
Nu 36:7 So shall not the inheritance of the children of Israel remove from tribe to tribe:

Nu 36:8 And every daughter, that possesseth an inheritance in any tribe of the children of Israel, shall be wife unto one of the family of the tribe of her father, that the children of Israel may enjoy every man the inheritance of his fathers.
Nu 36:9 Neither shall the inheritance remove from one tribe to another tribe; but every one of the tribes of the children of Israel shall keep himself to his own inheritance.

Tribal affiliation through children. Intermarriage

Ez 47:21 So shall ye divide this land unto you according to the tribes of Israel.
22 And it shall come to pass, that ye shall divide it by lot for an inheritance unto you, and to the strangers that sojourn among you, which shall beget children among you: and they shall be unto you as born in the country among the children of Israel; they shall have inheritance with you among the tribes of Israel.
23 And it shall come to pass, that in what tribe the stranger sojourneth, there shall ye give him his inheritance, saith the Lord GOD.

Ezek 47:22 And it shall come to pass, that ye shall divide it by lot for an inheritance unto you, and to the strangers that sojourn among you, which shall beget children among you: and they shall be unto you as born in the country among the children of Israel; they shall have inheritance with you among the tribes of Israel.

Your shifting of goal posts aside, it is their tribal heritage that makes them heirs. Israel is not just Benjamin and Judah.

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