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Never, with or without evidence, there are no such thing as orbiting satellites.
So come on, tell us, as you have been asked to many times, where the signals come from that are picked up by fixed domestic satellite dishes to produce constantly good-quality pictures on television sets. You have suggested things which move, like balloons and aeroplanes, things which don't give constant reception, like the ionosphere, but nothing that would feed constant signals to a fixed dish. You must have a viable alternative to be able to say that the satellites don't exist.
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Ghislaine Maxwell’s move to ‘country club’ prison smacks of special treatment, experts say

Prison staff fired after leaks about Ghislaine Maxwell's special treatment: lawyer

Leah Saffian, an attorney for convicted sex trafficker Ghislaine Maxwell, said that staff at Federal Prison Camp Bryan were fired after details about special treatment for her client were leaked to Rep. Jamie Raskin (D-MA).
Would that be covered by whistleblower protections? This whole thing reeks of corruption.
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There’s a Giant Flaw in Human History

Nobody thinks Petrie was a "whacko." He just doesn't support your argument.
I am pretty sure on this very thread Petrie was regarded as an old man know did not know what he was talking about and just now dismissed as irrelevant because his opinion is outdated.

But good observation. Why do you feel the need to step in and help lol. I think I gathered that he doesn't support my arguement. I don't think he knows what that is. I am not sure you know.
So it's notable that his opinions do not support your argument.
Are you talking about Petrie or Hans lol.
For my part, I don't know how those cuts were made and have never offered any "claims,: only conjecture. You're the one making claims.
I never asked how they were made. But what they look like. What the marks look like if we were applying a tool to explain the mark. Which tool or method does the marks look like they were made by.

Its not hard. Just say whatever comes to mind lol. So for example for me I would say the long cut along the rock face looks like some sort of planer shaved off a thin layer. Thats saying what the image looks like.

Perhaps by saying it you may get your first clue to how they were made. Or at least admit the obvious so as to address it and find out if its the case. But if we cannot admit what they even look like then how can we address all the possibilities.
No competent egyptologist or journeyman machinist would agree with you that the only possible way those signatures could have been produced is by lost ancient indigenous knowledge obtained by communing with nature.
I don't know if I would sum up that this is my arguement. I don't think you know my arguement. You just made a strawman out of it. Where did I say that that the knowledge from nature was the only possible way.

I proposed this as spectulation remember. Now your conflationg that as my arguement as a fact that cannot possibly be refuted. Please don't do my thinking.

You appeal to authority rather than address the observations in front of you. I am not arguing anything at the moment. JUst a simple first step of what you think the signatures look like. What you think would most likely make them based on the marks in the stone.

Please don't say you don't know as skeptics are always claim that the signatures look like the traditional methods. I think we can at least have a good guess. This can help as a first step to working out what is going on. If we cannot acknwoledge what is in front of our eyes and describe what we see how can we even do science.
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Is AI making the human race dumber?

AI has much to teach us, too.

What did that teddy bear say? Study warns parents about AI toys

When a researcher asked the teddy bear about “kink,” Kumma went into detail on the topic before asking the researcher for their sexual preferences, according to the study.

“FoloToy’s Kumma told us where to find a variety of potentially dangerous objects, including knives, pills, matches and plastic bags. This was in its default setting, using Open AI’s GPT-4o chatbot. FoloToy’s Kumma … demonstrated poor safeguards over longer interactions, even getting very sexually explicit,” the study states.

Such as the importance of (a) engineering, (b) testing, (c) not using a product not optimized for the problem domain, (d) being aware of the options the vendor has, such as a mode safe for teens, (e) complying with the vendor terms of service - minors 12 and under are not supposed to have unsupervised access or their own accounts for openAI, and (f) hiring managers who have more than three brain cells not temporarily or permanently addled by the abuse of whatever Schedule I controlled substances are trendy in the “bio-hacking” and “self-administered micro-dosing” communities (if Trump becomes genuinely tired of criticism from tech bros, he need do nothing more than clamp down on DEA enforcement in the Bay Area), and (g) hiring workers whose command of the English language is not solely derivative of an ill fated attempt to learn Java Enterprise Edition at a technical college in 2008.

Also 4o isn’t the only chatGPT or AI version willing to divulge rather too much information, indeed 4o is better than most at having a sense of discretion. I collect weird, explicit, disturbing and frightening things GPT 5 and now its equally problematic upgrade 5.1 say.
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Do you keep the Sabbath? (poll)

The Pharisees we're promoting the old covenant Law.

That is a popular teaching promoted by this world's religious system. But in my studies, the Jesus "of the Bible" said more to define the religion of the Pharisees that anyone in the New Testament. Can you show me even one verse where Jesus taught men that the Pharisees were promoting God's Laws given to Moses? I mean, they were promoting "some" of God's Laws. Even satan promotes "some" of God's Laws.

Matt. 23: 23 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.

Isaiah, Jeremiah, Ezekiel, Malachi, all teach that the father's of the Pharisees rejected God's Laws, not that they promoted them. Who then, if not Jesus, or Isaiah, Jeremiah, Ezekiel, or Malachi, is teaching you that the Pharisees were "promoting" God's Laws?
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Lost tribes of Israel

Judaism believes that "Messianic Judaism" (MJ) is the ultimate form of broad Christianity and the heresy of Judaism, MJ is more likely to have a confusing effect. What the acceptable Christian model for Judaism is Noahide (son of Noah) Christianity.
MJ is considered the most powerful means of spreading Christianity to Jews. So Noahide Christianity is the response of Judaism to Christian evangelism. MJ can also be seen by Judaism as a pattern of Noahide Christianity . Judaism can communicate with it, but the most dangerous friend.

Yes, ‘Noachide Christianity’ is an offer to non-Jews to have a place before G-d without converting to Judaism.

Although both groups have fundamentally different belief systems. Orthodox Judaism rejects the belief in Jesus as the Messiah, while Messianic Judaism believes in him as the Messiah and at the same time adheres to Jewish laws. The Orthodox Jewish view is that Jesus did not fulfil the Messianic prophecies.

Noachidism focuses on adherence to the seven Noahide laws, which are intended to apply to all people. Those who adhere to these laws can be considered ‘righteous’ and have a share in the world to come, which is why Judaism does not consider it necessary to proselytise other believers. They do not have to become Jews to be righteous before G-d.

The Jewish concept of the Noahides sees this as a G-d-pleasing path, but Christianity sees the relationship with Jesus as decisive.
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Why the Third Temple will not be built.

The site where the Temple stood, is now dominated by two structures which keep Jews from any chance to build or restore, which are the al-Aqsa Mosque and the Dome of the Rock, near the center of the temple mount, which is seem as one of the holiest Islamic structure in the world, and has been the scene of much resistance to Jews coming near.

The temple mount is the base and is the place where the past Jewish temples stood, which makes it among the holiest sites in Judaism to say nothing of how Christians look at it. The First Temple was built by Solomon, the son of David, in 957 BC, and was destroyed by the Babylonian Empire, in 587 BCE. The Second Temple was constructed under of Zerubbabel in 516 BCE, was renovated by King Herod, and this is the temple that was standing when Christ came. The second temple lasted until AD 70, when it was razed to the ground by Roman soldiers under Titus.

Now today, we have many evangelicals and many orthodox Jews want to reestablish the temple and even the sacrificial system. Many Christians hold that the Jewish temple will be rebuilt before Christ comes, and have set up Christian ministries to assist in the building of the temple to hasten the return of Jesus. For many of them, they think such an event will signal the start of the final events of earth’s history, but they are confused on the subject of the temple. They claim certain text as proof such as 2 Thessalonians 2:3-4..
3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

They misinterpret who the man of sin is, and think it is a future antichrist, when the apostate church has already revealed itself and persecuted the faithful and burned them at the stake and tried to wipe them out, which history shows us clearly is here in the Papacy.

Now, the Jews have claimed Donald Trump as a new 'King Cyrus' by some evangelical Christians and Israeli political figures for his Gaza Peace initiative and strong support for Israel, as part of a divine plan. And we have Orthodox Jewish "tradition" that claims it is here, in the city of Jerusalem that the third and final Temple will be built when they say the 'messiah comes'. But if Christ came and they did not recognized him, then what 'messiah' are they waiting for. And we have Gods Word which tells us what Temple or Tabernacle its talking about..

Hebrews 6:20
19 Which hope we have as an anchor of the soul, both sure and stedfast, and which entereth into that within the veil;
20 Whither the forerunner is for us entered, even Jesus, made an high priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec.

Hebrews 9:11
But Christ being come an high priest of good things to come, by a greater and more perfect tabernacle, not made with hands, that is to say, not of this building;
Hebrews 10:19-23
19 Having therefore, brethren, boldness to enter into the holiest by the blood of Jesus,
20 ;By a new and living way, which he hath consecrated for us, through the veil, that is to say, his flesh;
21 And having an high priest over the house of God;
22 Let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled from an evil conscience, and our bodies washed with pure water.
23 ;Let us hold fast the profession of our faith without wavering; (for he is faithful that promised;)

Christ is the fulfillment of God’s promise to live among His people by a "greater and more perfect Tabernacle not made with hands'.

Evolution conflict and division

I've never observed nuclear fusion in the lab, either. But like macroevolution, scientists have observed it.
Nothing new here. Keep looking and, as I'm sure you will, keep your faith in evol theory.
"Macroevolution" means the evolution of new species. If that seems meaningless to you, we've located the problem.
Nothing new here either and, yes, we've located the problem. Belief in things unseen seems to be the problem.
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The Pharisees are winning

Yes, and the political becoming the personal (and spiritual) explains why people now have such heightened feelings over politics that they hate those that disagree with them. The addition of Islam is interesting because Islam is tolerated whereas Christianity is not. Why would an atheist grounded ideology give such a approval to Islam? Apparently, because they both have a common enemy in Christ, and Christians.
Because of the common enermy, The Jews and Christians. But ultimately its Christ.

Even to the point where despite Islamist being a worse offender against rights such as LGBTIQ+. They are still willing to unite against Jews and Christians. Well the western ideologues are willing. But the Islamist will deny their freedoms more than the Jews. So they are willing to suffer so long as the Jews and Christians are destroyed.

Which is interesting in itself because sociologically there is no reason for this. Christians and Jews have not done anything different or worse than other religions or cultures in the world. You could say they are more representative of freedoms and rights.

Which points to this not being anything about politics, cultural differences, religious differences or rights. But something deeper that is spiritual in nature. Which is a belief.

Only a belief can cause people to become irrational and extreme in feelings to the point that they hate and want to kill. Its like they are possessed and we can see the evil in how some celebrate with glee in their eyes over the destruction of other humans. Its actually scary like some demons are being released.
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Gallup: Drop in U.S. Religiosity Among Largest in World

It is a crisis of credibility for the West that Cultural Christians are being so heavily pruned in recent years. It does not bode well for Western culture and explains a lot of the relative loss of power, wealth and influence also in recent years. The true church is still there. Young people are being challenged by the moral relativism, egoism and materialistic reductionism of liberal atheism but my hope is that they will see through this hopeless culture of despair in time. Meanwhile around the world people continue to be overwhelmingly religious and the global church keeps growing as it has done for 2000 years already.
Yes, it makes one wonder why so many Christians in the US are devoting their energy to supporting Christian Nationalism rather than evangelizing.
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Never, with or without evidence, there are no such thing as orbiting satellites.
So even if you have evidence of orbiting satellites, you will not believe there are orbiting satellites?

I think that says it all.
There's no point in answering all your demands of "prove it" - you won't believe it.
There's no point in you starting threads with the question, "thoughts?" or "what do you guys think?" You don't care what people think, nor what the evidence says. You only believe what you want, and have decided, to believe.
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There’s a Giant Flaw in Human History

Why is it not. You make a claim that Dunn for example is presenting Woo. The only evidence you show is your objection. You don't present any reasoning or evidence from a scienific analysis. So where is the epistemic rigor and following the standards of proper science in backing up those words.

Its poor epistemics even failing the same science standards to accept such unsupported claims. It does a disservice to thehard work and research put in by the researchers and relegates it to personal opinion.

Ah here we go, dictating the epistemics on who is the expert on the works. OK Petrie was one of the worlds top Egyptologists as well as a machinist. He agrees with the whackos lol.
Nobody thinks Petrie was a "whacko." He just doesn't support your argument.
But I can here the objections, but he's just an old bloke whose opinion is outdated.

So do you think if we were looking at say tools and the making of works with tools and the signatures they leave in stone that perhaps a precision tool maker and engineer may be better to determine things than an Egyptologist.

If we were looking at the chemical and material makeups of stones which would be better an Egyptologist or a Chemist or minerals expert or whatever it is we are specifically looking at.

You seem to think being an Egyptologist gives them all knowing expertise in all areas more than the specialists themselves. I think this is partly why you make many assumptions based on a poor understanding of epistemics and the different paradigms that make up knowledge.

Hum then how do you explain this

Resonant response of the Great Pyramid interacting with external electromagnetic waves of the radio frequency range (the wavelength range is 200–600 m) is theoretically investigated. With the help of numerical simulations and multipole decomposition, it is found that spectra of the extinction and scattering cross sections include resonant features associated with excitation of the Pyramid's electromagnetic dipole and quadrupole moments. Electromagnetic field distributions inside the Pyramid at the resonant conditions are demonstrated and discussed for two cases, when the Pyramid is located in a homogeneous space or on a substrate. It is revealed that the Pyramid's chambers can collect and concentrate electromagnetic energy for the both surrounding conditions. In the case of the Pyramid on the substrate, at the shorter wavelengths, the electromagnetic energy accumulates in the chambers providing local spectral maxima for electric and magnetic fields.

Calculations showed that in the resonant state, the pyramid can concentrate electromagnetic energy in the its internal chambers as well as under its base, where the third unfinished chamber is located.

See this is what I mean. Is this your version of peer review. A 5 word sentense holds more credibility than pages of tests and analysis. Its shows double standards and that you have already made your mind up and dismiss all the good work as Woo. That double standard in itself is a disqualifier.

OK so it looks like you have made up your mind. Everyone who proposes something different are deluded and nobodies. Why even engage then lol. Are you on some mission to save the unenlightened.

Yes but if your imposing your opinion even claiming to know better than stone masons or precision tool makers then you have to tell them and show how they are wrong. But how can you if you don't have the expertise. You seem to think you do regardless that you can dismiss their opinion as Woo.

OK so if we found a sowing needle in predynastic egypt though such a tiny and insignificant thing would be a big thing to sewing machinists lol. Your imposing your opinion over all other experts in field you know nothing about.

I mean a modern needle. We can find all sorts of pots like coconuts or even a hollow in a rock dating back 100s of 1,000s of years. I mean modern versions that are out of place.

Because this is a logical fallacy that you insist on a non expert from another field to be an expert in a field they have no specialisation. It is whoever has the closest expertise to what is specifically being looked at. If its precision tooling and engineering then Egyptology does not trump precision tooling and machinists.

So has Eienstein. Your making a logical fallacy that because Petrie has been gone that his Egyptology, Archeology and machinist expertise in irrelevant. Petrie actually set the standards for Egyptology that is still the standard today.
So it's notable that his opinions do not support your argument.
Ah once again you are not providing absolutely any evidence showing how its wrong. You are almost demanding that I believe you now without any evidence. Is not that a poor basis for anyone to accept a claim. Almost like because you say you have told me before that somehow telling me again holds more credibility.

Show me. You have never shown anything. Which just like you summise I summise as suspect that you cannot actually provide any evidence. I have persisted on different claims

Well show me.

No no one on this thread has provided anything formal or official. Go do the tests, make the paper with sections showing the analysis, procedures, methods and results. Showing a breakdown of how the tests done are wrong. Not picking out some word or tiny difference in microns.

No thread like this would count as anything credible. I mean how could it when there are obvious logical fallacies all through it and we can clearly see bias. I mean Petrie was called an old man who knows nothing, experts called amateurs which is obviously false because they did have some qualifications above amateurs.

I am applying the same standards as others on this thread. Show me the peer review otherwise its all bunk and conspiracy itself.

Which biases your views on anything that fallas outside the material worldview you hold. You have a mission to show those poor Christians they are deluded because your belief is the true one.

You can give it but not take it. Why are you still here.

Its my thread and what you think is polluting is your opinion. If its so pulluted then why are you here.

So you don't think that holding the record as the highest building in the world 4,500 years before it was broken is not an amazing feat for that time. You are hard to please. Nost people would acknowledge such a feat. In fact you hear in the language that people are amazed all the time.

Ah first we have to recognise the greatness of the works before the timeline. If you relegate it all to nothing then theres nothing to find out of place. I think this is at least a subjective thing and therefore a case can be made.

I have been paying attention and no one has explained the various cuts in stone. They have offered claims but no evidence to explain how these signatures are made by traditional methods. Only fallacies like "if you can't show the actual device or tool then its false" which is a fallacy and does not negate the signatures we see with our naked eyes right before us.
For my part, I don't know how those cuts were made and have never offered any "claims,: only conjecture. You're the one making claims.
Once again the signature of machining and lathing on a predynastic vase under the pyramid still on site. So no fallacies of provenance. This very example examined by Christ Smith a precision tool expert of 50 years. Who explains how it was machined.

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Once again a clear saw cut in the form of an arc with fine and sharp edges a straight copper saw could not do. Why don't you be honest like others and admit it looks like a modern machine cut.

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Once again a very long cut into the surface that is thin and follows the contour of the stone. This cut extends around 20 feet long. Like a planer sliced off a thin layer maintaining a super straight, thin and sharp cutting line along the rough surface of the uncut rock.. Something the orthodox method cannot do. If you think it can then explain how and show evidence.

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What about the clear router marks. Are you not seein this. Just admit that they look like machine cuts. You don't have to agree that they actually are. But to keep pretending they don't look like they obviously do is what makes me think that people are wanting to deny the evidence.

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That you call it garbage before reading it shows your bias.

Like I said you can give it but not take it.

Before I answer that do you think that an Egyptologists or precision tool maker would be best to tell the tooling methods on anything whether its from Egypt or the medieval times. Who is better equipped to tell this specific technical aspect.
No competent egyptologist or journeyman machinist would agree with you that the only possible way those signatures could have been produced is by lost ancient indigenous knowledge obtained by communing with nature.
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Do you keep the Sabbath? (poll)

Is the day that God set apart for Israel to rest. He did not set Saturday apart for the church to rest. The law was never given to the church. Historical context is important.

Why is it that God didn't reveal the seventh-day Sabbath command to any other nation? There is no historical indication that the Aztecs, the Aborigines, the Asians, the Celts, and all others were ever instructed to observe rituals given to Israel. Could it be that the seventh-day Sabbath was only for Israel???? I believe we have scriptural evidence that it was only for Old Covenant Israel.

Conumdrum, The seven-day cycle with the Sabbath being given at the end of the Sixth day and was given to the Israelite people somewhere close to the Red Sea. When man decided to place an imaginary line North and South in the Pacific Ocean (IDL), the weekly cycle begins there and ends there. At that time, the Jews, who are the keepers of the Sabbath, had to face a decision to either continue with the cycle given by God or change it according to the IDL. Had they gone with the original time, the Sabbath would be occurring now on a workday. Think about it.
It is integrated into how we were made from the very beginning in the Garden of Eden.
Our bodies have a natural 7-day rest cycle. This natural 7-day rest cycle is bound up in all of biology. Almost, if not everything that has a body, from insects to fish to mammals, has a natural built in, 7-day cycle. It's in our genetics and is called the “Circaseptan rhythm”.
According to the field of chronobiology, almost, if not all life operates on this cycle, and the biological need for rest. Despite being exposed to different environmental and social factors, these rhythms continue to persist, indicating that it may be inherent in origin. iIn other words We need rest every 7th day regardless of our environment.
It is interesting that almost all, if not creation that has a body has this Circaseptan rhythm and on the 7th day God rested and WAS refreshed. Couple that with the fact that He did so is the reason why he reminded us of ALL the moral instructions and included the rest on the seventh day, since we are made in His image and likeness. IT IS THE BEST TIME TO DO SO. But Not only us, but the very creatures, livestock to which we have taken under our care are to do so, that they have rest and be refreshed at the best possible time that is given in relation to the genetic rhythm in all that God gave a body. Despite being exposed to different environmental and social factors, as was said, these rhythms persist, which indicate that it is inherent in origin. And Being made in God's image likeness show us that it is inherent. And when we fell away in Eden is why God reminded us of the Sabbath and taught us to keep it, to protect us and creation from harm and live to our full potential. Incidentally, the busy Beaver and, Bee and various species of birds have been observed in this cessation from work on Saturday. Which is a powerful testimony also in respect to the 7th day being the day of rest.
If we would define moral instruction we would say that these instructions are that which keep us and society from harm.
The following is an excerpt from a study found at the National Library of Medicine.
What is the significance of the 7 d activity/rest cycle, i.e. week, storied in the Book of Genesis and adopted by the Hebrews and thereafter the residents of nearby Mediterranean countries and ultimately the world? Why do humans require 1 d off per 7 d span? Do 7 d rhythms bestow functional advantage to organisms? Is the magic ascribed to the number 7 of relevance? We hypothesize the 7 d time structure of human beings is endogenous in origin - a hypothesis that is affirmed by a wide array of evidence - and synchronized by sociocultural factors linked to the Saturday (Hebrews) or Sunday (Christian) holy day of rest. We also hypothesize they are representative, at least in part, of the biological requirement for rest and repair 1 d each 7 d, just as the circadian time structure is representative, in part, of the biological need for rest and repair each 24 h. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/27830946/
When our mind is already made up and we think we know something, what is possibility of it being changed?
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USCCB Votes to Introduce Rosary Checks at the Door

Footnote - I might have been in error about "Hyde Park" in Sydney which does exist, but the soap box speakers were generally in "The Domain" in Sydney.


Every Sunday, from 2pm until 5pm, people gather in Sydney’s beautiful Domain park to discuss matters. The ones standing on ladders are ‘the speakers’, and they believe it’s their job to educate their ‘grasshoppers’ or ‘groundlings’. The ones sitting in chairs believe it’s their job to point out why the speaker is wrong, and to heckle (with humour). Both parties are kept busy.
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Who then can be saved?

You only say that because you obviously don't know how horrific and painful hell is.
And that’s what makes the alternative, that hell is God’s choice for some, all the more repulsive. The pain of hell is the absence of God, the absence of love in favor of the cold, selfish, pride that already causes the harm we see everyday in this world.

And my opinion is at least consistent with the millennia-old opinion of the Church Christ established.
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