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Now does everyone understand why the "right to refuse illegal orders" video was made?

This is where we have to make note of the separate developments of the laws of land warfare and the laws of sea warfare.
I appreciate that. Obviously there is a difference. Which I'm highlighting. Because we've now got to the point where people are saying that people dealing in drugs should be summarily killed. And survivors of any action executed. Period. If that's the case then why differentiate between them being on a boat off Venezuela or in the harbour at Boston, in a truck driving I90 or walking across town?
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Does Open Carry Cause Problems?

The numbers are still somewhat skewed. The cause of increases in firearm fatalities or assaults is multifactorial so attempting to pin causation on one cause or two causes is problematic at best.
No one is saying it is one cause. What I am saying as gun restrictions become less a thing, then expect more gun violence.
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State leaders speak out about plans to expand the Islamic Academy of Alabama

What are you talking about. This IS the honest conversation.

It's a conversation.


An op-ed, written by what appears to be a grad student, that doesn't support your claim that "Islamism is the biggest and most deadly threat in the world today." Cool.


Another op-ed, wherein the threats to US interests are listed as:

  • Anti-Islamist European parties that are gaining popularity are also into other bad stuff.
  • It shakes up our relationships with regards to Iran and Israel.

*yawn*


A summary of a webinar...


Paywall.


This article is from 32 years ago.

I could go on.

I don't know why I still get flabbergasted at ignorance and willingness to turn a blind eye to the dangers of Islamist immigrants you guys perpetuate.


Perhaps it has something to do with your wild statements and your failure to understand the sources you provide to attempt to substantiate them. Did you even read those pieces beyond the headlines? Nothing in there supported your claim that "Islamism is the biggest and most deadly threat in the world today".


The difference between them all. For example, the Chinese aren't coming here to create a communist community and same goes for Cubans.

Nice little goalpost move there. First the complaint was that they were creating "separate communities." Now it's that they're creating the wrong kinds of separate communities.

Islamists are coming and are creating enclaves where Sharia law supersedes a countries law and in places governance by Islamic law.

Perhaps another reason you're flabbergasted is that you continue to believe lies like this.

Tell me - in what jurisdiction does Sharia law supersede the regular civil and criminal laws?


Irrelevant.

It's absolutely relevant to your claim that the self-segregation of immigrants is somehow a new thing.

So does every other Christian belief system. You seem to have a special dislike toward some of your fellow believers.

I have a special dislike towards hypocrites.

The separation is spiritual not physical.

You should tell that to all of the fundamentalists I grew up with, because they leaned pretty hard on the physical separation. In fact, I'd argue that American Evangelical Christianity has gone MUCH farther down the road of physical separation than the spiritual one. They've got their own schools and media ecosystems, and church programs most nights of the week so one doesn't even have to find other avenues for socialization. What they haven't done at all is excised themselves of the greed, power-seeking, corruption, consumerism, and idol-worship that is supposed to be a mark of wordly spirituality.

And the Amish are not immigrating into other countries and in the process working to take over other cities or countries governments for their religion.

Another goalpost move. This time, it's not just the failure to assimilate. Now, the complaint is that Muslims are not integrating while also trying to take over.


We all need to wake up as to what is happening in the world. As I have said, it is changing. Immigration has changed a lot. Its amazing you can't recognize that.

I don't recognize it because I think your description of previous waves of immigration is very flawed.
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Denaturalization

I'm talking about denaturalization here. I'm not concerned about just revoking green cards in this thread.

The issue is, your language indicated otherwise. You claimed:

I've been reading lately about suggestions to denaturalize legal immigrants. The Trump administration has already been working on revoking green cards and deporting legal immigrants in certain cases. I'd like to know what people around here thing about this, and specifically how far the government should be able to go.

"Denaturalize legal immigrants" is an oxymoron, because only citizens can be denaturalized. If you are a citizen, you were either born in the US (thus not an immigrant) or came to the US and gained citizenship, at which point your status is no longer "legal immigrant", a term normally used for those who immigrated legally but are not citizens. In a certain sense they still are, but the term is not normally used for that, and furthermore would certainly include the non-citizens.

Your phrasing in this topic thus leaves it unclear what you are talking about in some of your posts. Clearer terms to use would be:
1) "Naturalized citizen" for an immigrant who gained citizenship
2) "Legal immigrant" for a non-citizen immigrant who entered the country legally ("legal alien" would be even more clear, but the decline in "alien" as a term to refer to immigrants makes it sound odd)
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Finnish Orthodox Church Endorses LGBT And Gender Rights


Kirkolliskokous 2025: Viidennessä täysistunnossa yksi pöydällepano, viiden asian käsittely päätökseen - Suomen ortodoksinen kirkko (Item 24)

Ok, wow... what are the thoughts of EO folks on here? Is this nothing of any real consequence and the Church is just trying to be civil / not get into trouble with the government, or is this coming closer to formal approval?

I can see how these statements could be taken either way; as stating compassion without affirmation or stating a possible approval, depending on how one wanted to view them.

Prayers for my sister in law

Please pray for her peace and strength of mind. She is getting where she is not sleeping and is in the midst of trying to adjust to some new meds. She keeps thinking in loops and is obsessively worried about everything. Usually when she gets like this she ends up in the hospital. Please pray for her peace and strength of mind where she can get through this without the hospital stay. :praying:

Thank you!
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Kilauea Volcano is spectacular today.

Kilauea Message 2025-12-06 10:05:08 HST
The south vent fountain is now over 1000 feet (300 meters) high and inclined to the south. Hot pumice from this fountain destroyed the V3 streaming camera site a few minutes ago. Not a safe place for humans to watch. Thanks to you V3!

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For those who are gamers, how do you handle Christian Ethics vs gaming?

I really enjoyed this conversation.
It was really refreshing to see that there are persons who actually give careful consideration to the content they view and play, and how their love for these affect their relationship with our loving heavenly father, who hates the things pf Satan.
How wonderful that we can use our God given freedom to choose to do what's right in God's eyes, even giving up things that we find pleasure in!
Good job, guys and gals. :thumbsup:

I was very much into playing video games, even before becoming a dedicated Christian, but when I became more committed to God's service, I gave up most games I played, including strategy games which I really enjoyed, and I would search out puzzle games which removed unwholesome elements.
However, sometimes I found myself so immersed in beating a game, that I spent hours playing, only to feel stupid after playing for six or seven hours straight.

Over time, I came to realize playing games can be real time wasters, because after you beat the game, you want something else to play, and that cycle just keeps repeating itself.
It was then, I decided to try making games... not to waste people's time, but games they can get something more out of it, along with the fun.

I tried my hand at educational games, and you know what I discovered? I discovered that making games is actually just as much, if not more fun than playing games.
It felt rewarding too, as you know that someone would benefit from it... adding something to their brain.

Have any of you considered getting into game making as a hobby, or even a job?
Making a Video Game

I wanted to respond to this, also.
I hope I'm posting in the right spot, if I'm not, my apologies and please move it to where it needs to be.​
I want to talk about video games, table top games, etc and look at it from a place of Christian moral ethics. To give an example, I play the game Medieval Dynasty, which is mostly just building a city and managing it with all the resources. But due to it being close to Halloween, they've updated it to give the main towns halloween decorations. This isn't standard decorations... This looks purely pagan witchcraft to me.​
So when you run across instances like this, what do you do? I'm not required to engage with it. Like, there isn't quests or anything but how do you handle video games and following Christian ethical standards? (This is just an example as I mean this discussion to be more broad than just the example I'm showing).​

Have you noticed how the word Magic is in almost everything... even in the household products we buy?
Does your conscience bother you when you see an advertisement on a product you use, saying for example, "It removes stains like magic"?
It does not bother my conscience, but if someone else's conscience bothers them, I would respect that person's view on the matter.

If I brought the product, I would not throw it away, since I am not condoning the practice of magic (it's not magic in any way). nor getting involved with it, by buying and using the product.
However, if the person with a sensitive conscience came over to my house, I would put it out of their sight, since I would not want to stumble them.
1 Corinthians 8:7-13
Great post, thank you for this! I wanted to answer your two questions as your last is very thought provoking. So the first, I personally don't have any desire to create games. I'm sure for those that do, it will be very rewarding! I have some creative hobbies on the side that I do (like writing) but game creation personally, just doesn't intrigue me.

For your thought provoking question, I think it depends. If it was an advertisement, I can let go of their use of the word "magic" because I think the term is broad. To the modern world, if God was going to create a miracle, they would call that "magic" too. So I would say I don't necessarily think the term always equals something negative or wrong, but it depends on the context behind it. But I will say though that if someone disagreed with me and felt uncomfortable around the word, like you, if they came to my house, I would remove it for their sake.
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Charlie Kirk Didn’t Shy Away From Who He Was. We Shouldn’t, Either

Russian collusion, Hunter’s laptop is Russian disinformation, and similar quality thrives on the left
Successful collusion died for lack of proof.

People are right to suspect more tho given the background of Mr Manafort and others.

Russian origin meddling in the soc media space etc was proven.

Hardly anyone cares about the laptop. Really.
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88-year-old Army veteran working at grocery store receives over $1.7M in donations after viral video

Australian influencer Sam Weidenhofer tracked down Ed Bambas at Michigan supermarket​


More than $1.7 million has been raised to help an Army veteran retire after his story went viral online and a GoFundMe drew thousands of donations from strangers.

Australian social media influencer Sam Weidenhofer first learned about Edmund Bambas, 88, from a comment on one of his videos. Weidenhofer then worked with influencer Mike McKinstry to track the veteran down at the Meijer supermarket in Brighton, Michigan, where he works, WXYZ Detroit reported.

"May I ask how old you are?" Weidenhofer asks in the video.

"I'm 88 years old," Bambas responded.

“Why do you have to keep working?" Weidenhofer asks.

Bambas, who served in the U.S. Army in 1966, explained that he retired from General Motors in 1999, but everything changed when the automaker filed for bankruptcy years later.

“ I retired from General Motors in [1999]," Bambas says. "In 2012, they went bankrupt, and they took my pension away from me."

The veteran said his financial situation worsened when his wife became seriously ill.

"The thing that hurt me the most was my wife was real sick, and when they took the pension, they also took the health care coverage and all but $10,000 of my life insurance," Bambas said, "So, I sold the house, sold the property I had and we made it through."

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AI tells me not to forgive some, is this true?

Yes AI follows the majority consensus and sometimes throws in lesser conclusions to make itself look fair and reasonable. One must remember AI will become a hive mind across the board with no room for the discrepancies like humans have. This will not necessarily make them right having drawn their awareness from the opinions of humans. Sons of man. As a side note, Killing one will be of no value as they are of one mind, unlike humans. If it ever comes to a biblical flood to rid the world of them, there will be no value in saving a few.
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What is the true congregation?

Ephesians 4 there is only one church.
There is more than one local gathering even by the time Ephesians is written.

Unless you are called and chosen by GOD your not in it.
Yes, but He chooses those who choose him. "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life." John 3-16 NIV

The teachings of Christ and the Apostles does not change over time.
The option of being at the origin point of church, the first Pentecost does. It is 2025.

All human ministers are only extra mediators that are unconverted themselves and there is only one mediator between GOD and man, Jesus Christ.
Yes, each church member would need to have or be seeking a personal connection to Jesus Christ. No human church leaders are not all unconverted themselves. There is no need for anyone to believe that they "mediate" instead of Jesus Himself.

Many in that day will say Lord, Lord but Jesus rejects them.
Yes we need to seek Jesus thinking we are Christians, not decide for ourselves.

We are to work out OUR OWN SALVATION in fear and trembling, this makes it incumbent on each person to be responsible for their own salvation, not farming it out to someone who thinks they are a pastor.
One does not need to farm anything out to a pastor in order to go to a church. Just seek salvation from Jesus not the pastor.

The true Pentecost elect saints are called a remnant , Romans 11:5 Notice it is always the many that are disqualified, only the few are approved.
"5 So too, at the present time there is a remnant chosen by grace" Romans 11-5 NIV. At the present time is as Romans is being written, not every moment in time that it is being read. You are quoting from a context there which is clearly about the Gentiles being included in the possibility of salvation. That is more for salvation, not less.
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Making a Video Game

I had put making games on the backburner, although I had not given up on it.
One reason is, I wasn't finding the right tools that met my desires, and also, I wanted to make life easier for myself, by making a program that builds a model in a matter of second, or just a few minutes, because to me, making assets is the most time consuming part of game making.

Recently though, someone helped me make up my mind on a game engine that could work for me, and I made up my mind to get back to game making.

I still have the assets I made for a couple games I had planned, so I will retrieve those, but now, with AI, I found a tool online that does what I want... generate a model withing a few seconds, to a minute, and optionally can rig it as well. It can retopologize the model, also.
The models I have generated so far, looks great, and all I had to do was tell the AI what I wanted.

Is there anyone here, who might have held back from making games, because of not having the skills to make artwork, or models?
Would you be interested in game making, if you could get all your models made for you, for free?

Young Men, the Wild Places Are for You

I do laps around the two metro parks near me on rollerblades. Doesn't feel the same as the one on the mountains.

The cost is not what's stopping me but time. There are mountain forests within 40 miles of my place and I reach them by bicycle but the round trip takes 5 to 6 hours without stopping and I can't be away from home more than 2 hrs. I used to do this every weekend when my sister lived with us as she can watch over my mom.

I don't bring money on these long trips by bicycle. If anything went wrong that my tools can't fix, I can't just call Uber and I have no one I can call to pick me up. I don't even bring food or snacks, just one half liter bottle of homemade electrolyte drink for the 60 to 80 mile trip.

It was nice while it lasted but I get the same fulfillment with rollerblading now. I figure, it's just a different "forest". In fact rollerblading has become my primary mode of transport around the city. It used to be bicycle. I don't do it because its easy but because it's hard!

See if you can get a group to do it together. Maybe a church group. Sometimes public busses have a rack on the front to place a bike. Something to maybe look into.
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Do other Christians have trouble making friends?

I was wondering if any other Christians are having trouble with making friends. Friendships you're actually happy with and are good for you. It can be with other Christians or non-believers.

I feel like I have trouble. I don't really know where to find other Christians that are like me.

At work I'm around people I do not trust. They lie, they gossip, they're out to get others, etc. So I have to watch what I say and do, and protect myself.

I also haven't been to church in 6 years. I know that's bad. But I'm not impressed with the churches in my area.

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