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Kirk Cameron Takes Heat for His Annihilationist View on Hell

That's ok. He is also taking heat for no longer believing in the Left Behind series also. He is not a traitor to God but people see him as a traitor to them, and that is where they fail.
Wow, really? That's a huge unexpected 180 from the Kirk Cameron I had always known. .... In any event, good for him. The Left Behind series is utterly sociopathic (I wasted a year-and-a-half reading those awful books and allowed them to get into my head), and whether eternal torment proponents like it or not, a plain reading of Scripture far more frequently - and directly - points to a literal view of life and death/destruction, than it does the traditional damnationist view.

But of course if Kirk has changed his tune about not one but two of the biggest hot topics in Christian theology, there's no doubt in my mind that he's now got a flood of fundamentalists breathing down his neck about how he's gone apostate or some garbage.
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Although I don't believe this apparently scientists believe life formed on its own

As you might expect I'm not a fan of the whole 'Christ as a sacrificial lamb' story.

Unfortunately you're not alone.

The Jews at the time of Christ's birth were anticipating the Psalm 72 / Isaiah 11 Lion.

But when Christ presented His credentials as the Psalm 22 / Isaiah 53 Lamb, they cried "Away with Him."

Please don't make the same mistake they made.
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There’s a Giant Flaw in Human History

A bit more from the earlier post...

[A reminder: The text that this post of yours responds to was about Egypt being an urban agricultural society.]
Except and this is not just for the Egyptians.
The text you are responding to absolutely was about just the Egyptians. Why is it when we try to get specific you slip right out and alter the premise to suit your own preferences. Sigh.
But the entire paradigm and worldview that the ancients were immersed in was transcedent. It was either through deep beliefs in transcedent aspects or spirits or gods. Or some sort of meditation. mind states that transcedended the material world.
Based on what evidence? (Subject is EGYPT.) I'm sick of your random assertions.
This is what I mean by material science looking from the outside in. The ancients having an experiential immersion in nature and reality became part of what scientists today are looking at from the outside.
I literally just told you that Egypt was an agriculture and urban culture. How is agriculture and cities "immersed in nature"?
They actually experienced or came closer to the actual nature naturalism is trying to understand.
In what way? Did the Egyptians spend their days hunting on the savanna for meat and hides to sew into simple clothing?
Its more a experience or mind state that allows the knowledge rather than intelligence building through the acciquistion of knowledge.

Reminder. This is spectualtion.
Indeed your response is nothing but speculation. On the other hand the nature of Egyptian agriculture is well established.
It is my attempt to explain how the ancient mindset and knowledge was that brought them this advanced understanding. The physical out of place examples are the results. But its not just physical.
What has that got to do with Egyptian urban and agricultural society?
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Trump’s team sees Europe’s ‘erasure.’

Don't we have that right here every single day? I'm pretty sure I've heard foreigners complain about every single aspect of U.S. political policy ever mentioned.
Sure, we can talk about it but, why is it of any interest to you or Elon Musk, for that matter, whether the EU is abolished or remains a union?

The only opinions that really matter on this are those of the people living in the constituent states of the EU. Everyone else is just butting in. That's why I won't answer your poll. It's not up to me and I don't care what they decide to do.
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ICE Nativity scenes: Churches reimagine Christmas story amid deportations

Some will be on government assistance as @iluvatar5150 and I were discussing. He thinks more people on government assistance creates jobs and that we need them to come here and have lots of children
Every economic assessment of our situation I have seen agrees with him. More workers equals more GDP and greater revenue. That does not change that the underlying assumption that people will come and live off free handouts is biased and disproven by real world data. The vast majority that come here work hard to achieve heir dreams. That is the American dream, is it not?
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How do you celebrate Halloween in your family?

if you do, how do you go about it?
There are people who provide an occasion in their churches, where their youths can stay and have clean fun and fellowship.

Also, I know a pastor who would go out, right in the middle of the activities, with his children, in order to reach people for Jesus and contact ones he already was relating with. And his children dressed in more innocent things.

I might just have some candy ready where I was staying, and later donate it lolololololol And I have gone out by myself and mixed socially, sometimes meeting other Christians and enjoying being with one another.

Anyway, I'm Catholic and technically Halloween is All Hallows Eve for us which is the same thing as the Eve of All Saints' Day.
I would say no day belongs to Satan. With God, we can use every day howsoever God pleases. So, use it for God.

So - - your son has gone from being a Seal, to Superman, to Jesus. This could be significant > starting as a soldier who can be so specialized for combat missions, then becoming Superman who can do more personal relating with people while stopping some evil and helping them. And Jesus is more obviously so powerful against evil, but also tender and compassionate and forgiving for family sharing and caring. So, he is possibly growing and developing in love as more of his interest. And, of course, you with God can discover how you develop in how you use any holiday; yes, and God uses days and any thing for His good purposes.
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Can a young child become a Christian?

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Any person any age can receive God's free gift of Eternal Life and become a born again child of God.

The big problem is most are not being correctly taught or told how to receive God's free gift of Eternal Life.

But if a child (or any person ) is correctly taught how to receive God's free gift of Eternal Life. By belief in Jesus for Eternal Life, they receive Eternal Life, a pernamnet gift from God, at the very moment of their belief in Jesus for Eternal Life.

So it is not the age that is the problem, but the teaching.

I would say a child who can simply believe in promises. Has a better chance in believing in Jesus for Eternal Life, than many young aged people and adults. Because an older person can get hung up in the legalist garbage of baptism, repentance of sin, confessing, obedience to the Law (ten commandments, etc..), making Jesus Lord of their life. bearing fruit, etc.......
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Multi's Thoughts and More

My Christmas animation is over halfway done now. I finished the part where the characters decorate the tree and now I'm on the part where they go outside before playing in the snow. :christmastree::snowflake:

It's amazing how much time it takes to animate some things. Kirby doesn't take too long since he's easy to draw, but the other characters can take a lot more time. It took me all day just to draw Magolor and Susie walking outside (and Magolor was already done except one of his hands needed to be redrawn). Today I spent all my time drawing Taranza's next animation. Drawing him getting tangled in Christmas lights will be fun... :laughing: (Of course, I'm not actually spending the entire day on this, just the time when I normally use the computer.)

I got a lot of chapter 13 of my story done, but I still have to figure out what happens in the rest of it.
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Dear Pete Hegseth, I’m Grateful the Japanese Navy Spared My Grandfather’s Life

Yes, a Congressional resolution is just miles and miles of bureaucracy and red tape. After all, look how long it took Roosevelt to get a declaration of war out of Congress in 1941. It took Johnson even longer to get the Gulf of Tonkin resolution--three whole days!!!
Those were different times before so much enabling passive liberalism had permeated congress and the senate.
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Another look at the moon landing.

Which it does.
While floating around half darkened, and during the day half the time, and behind clouds where it can't provide night during the night?
If I did a job like that when the job calls for providing light, I'd be fired.
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Trickster Christ and the Second Fall: A New Framework for Understanding the Kingdom of God

I’m sorry

this seems over educated jargon, not for the common people whom the gospel was intended for. But since Christ has such depth it is definitely food for you. But where your faith lies I don’t know. It’s not clear if the ‘trickster’ is a respectful term. It might be a colloquial term that suits philosophers fancy.. it could be derogatory.

i accepted what for a long time I was to afraid to admit. I had to forsake my sin and admit Jesus made sense and that there was going to be blessing for following. But until I forsook my sin it was hard to bear. How is the truth’ a trickster?!
The trickster is among the most extensively studied figures in the comparative history of religion. He represents a divine mediator between heaven and earth, whose character bears the imprint of both realms. Consequently, the trickster embodies both animal and divine qualities, combining deception with nobility, good with evil—as exemplified by Coyote in Amerindian mythology. In early Christianity, the first theory of atonement embraced by the Church Fathers held that Christ tricked the devil.

It is a well‑known fact that to be truly evil, one must also be good. The most successful criminals are those who charm. Accordingly, to be truly good, one must also be evil. In myth, the trickster made enormous contributions to humanity through his cunning and his misdeeds.

If the “common people” do not engage with theology, they allow it to drift on its own, which may have detrimental consequences in the long run. Modern theologians have largely rejected the heavenly realm and angelic beings, and this is in part because ordinary people have not concerned themselves with their work.
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what is Calvinism answer to how God works?

Fair enough. All of our notions should be updated.

Notice, though, that here you speak of works, which the conversation you spoke against, brought up as something we were predestined to. Might those be the same as the "greater works" you describe as the weightier matters according to Jesus?

Is it my works, or is it the works that The Father is able to do through me because of my relationship with GOD and His holiness?

We are to be partakers of His holiness, and that only comes from a continual closeness with GOD, not from the pages of our bible. A lot of people on this site have their priorities mixed up.
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What verses you recommend every new Christian read?

For new Christians what would you recommend?
Complete passages —not just verses. The Gospels, particularly John. Then any of the letters, though 1 John and Ephesians, from beginning to the end, reading the passages/chapters sequentially. Meanwhile, Psalms and Proverbs. Proverbs is nice, pretty closely matching 1 per day in one month.
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God hides things

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I do use ai mainly as a reference tool though. On your topic I have to think more about what this means in relation to the mind of Christ. But the idea we know in part we prophecy in part, the call of us to seek and ask for wisdom, to meditate day and night on the word suggests the depper things of God are available if we make more effort.
There are books that are outside the protestant canon that are inspired only for the wise that seek them out. They are apocrypha which means hidden from the wise of the world.

Jesus talking to the Sadducees who asked about resurrection.

Mathew 22 29 Jesus replied, “You are in error because you do not know the Scriptures or the power of God. 30 At the resurrection people will neither marry nor be given in marriage; they will be like the angels in heaven.

God talking to the fallen angels pre flood in 1 Enoch that left heaven, came down to earth, and married women

1 Enoch 15
But you originally existed as spirits, living forever,
and not dying for all the generations of eternity;
7 therefore I did not make women among you.’
The spirits of heaven, in heaven is their dwelling;

He calls 1 Enoch scripture, and Jude says "Enoch 7th from Adam" so Jude believed what he was quoting was written before Noahs flood, and not pseudepigrapha first written 300 BC, and backdated. Jude, and 1 Enoch
The Sadducees stuff up a story from Tobit about the woman being married then demons killing her 7 husbands each night before the marriage too. They forgot to add she married successfully the 8th time. So Jesus is calling Tobit scripture too. That was written in the 700s, and 600s BC, 1 Enoch was written 4400-4000 BC after creation 5500 BC but before Noahs flood 3300 BC. There are a lot of other texts inspired apocrypha that are not pseudepigrapha for the wise only too. My summary list of the most important ones are 1 Enoch, Life of Adam, and Eve, Assumption of Moses, 1/2 Maccabees. For the NT Gospel of Nicodemus, History of Joseph the Carpenter, Proto James. All on audiobook on youtube or annas archive and internet archive are two free e book websites.
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