peter2 said:

Actually, i understand what you say, and would fully agree, had you tell this about one of his male disciples.
But Mary is a female person, with a female sensitivity, then.
i mean : she knows how men pretend to feel no pain at the very moment of their sufferings. It's their conception of virility.
Indeed, it sounds like Jesus' sorrows on the cross also was an expression of all the pains men hide to look virile. About the meditative Mary, i doubt a little she was duped by these pretendings of men.

What's more, she also was a mother : i assume she had good reasons to worry for the 12 year old Jesus' sake when they looked for him. She knew danger does exist ; Didn't they have to flee to Egypt to escape massacre ? If non vulnerable, would they have had to ?

As believer of Gabriel' speech, finally though, she believed his reign was supposed to happen for ever. This is more where i suppose lies a paradox

Indeed,
She could have wondered of what need is death (or suffering, yes..) for an everlasting reign ?

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Jesus told his disciples multiple times that he would be crucified and resurrected, explicitly stating he would suffer, be killed, and rise again on the third day,

he disciples did not fully believe or understand Jesus' predictions of his crucifixion and resurrection; they were confused, fearful, in denial, and slow to grasp the concept, often forgetting or misinterpreting his clear statements until after the events happened, even struggling to recognize the risen Jesus at first.

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I disagree. These actions have sent a clear message that drug smuggling will not be tolerated. It sends a message that if you decide to transport drugs into the US, you have forfeited your right to live. So you better be prepared to die for your cause. That makes it extremely more difficult for cartel recruitment.

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you disagree about what. That treatment does no good.

Oompa Loompa said:

MSN

Claims DNA match proves Ilhan Omar married her brother

A supposed DNA match between Rep. Ilhan Omar and her second husband Ahmed Elmi claims to prove that the two are in fact siblings.

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【Quote]The results of the test assert that there is a 99.999998% chance that Omar and her second husband Ahmed Elmi are siblings.

The report, drawn up by Endeavor DNA Laboratories does not name either Omar or Elmi, instead referring to them as 'Sibling 1' and 'Sibling 2.' DailyMail.com understands that Omar is Sibling 1.

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Yes. Genetics prove that all the "conspiracy theories" about Ilan Omar committing immigration fraud by marrying her brother is true. DNA proves it and people closest to Ilan Omar admit it. IMO, she should be deported back to Somalia for fraud. I rally do not care about the fact that she is a member of Congress. The fact that she was able to be elevated to such a position demonstrates such a failure in the system, and explains why there is so much fraud in Minnesota. You elect a Somalian fraudster into congress, you get a Somalian fraudster in congress.
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That was published in Britain's gossip rag, The Daily Mail, 13 August 2021. It turned out to be ugly conspiracy theory that has NO Verifiable evidence.

Some facts: Omar was already a naturalized US citizen for years before she married Elmi. So the claim that she had to marry Elmi or her brother to get citizenship is hogwash. She became a citizen in 2000, 2 years before she married the first time. She did not need to marry anyone to be a citizen.

Posting such ridiculous stuff is disgraceful imho.

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Weren’t Pharisees the ones accusing him of working on the Sabbath.

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Not only that, but Jesus healed the man with the withered hand on the Sabbath, in addition to His disciples reaping grain on the Sabbath. Moreover, Jesus forgave the paralytic man of sin. What kind of example did Jesus set for Sabbath activities?

samaus123456789 said:

The man of sin had to happen before 70 AD. He was going to sit in the physical temple of God which stopped existing 70 AD. If a replica OT temple was built the God of Abrahams spirit would not be in it so it can not be a temple of God. It was likely one of the zealots that put a statue of himself in it by the sound of it. I made a post on Daniel 9 how it ended 70 AD Daniel 9 ended 70 AD . Rev 1-12 happened 70 AD so the two witnesses happened 70 AD. Yes according to Gospel of Nicodemus, History of Joseph the Carpenter, and Apocalypse of Peter the two witnesses were going to be Enoch, and Eiljah. All 3 texts are internally written pre 70 AD, and have a prophecy of those 2 witnesses looking forward not written past tense. All 3 texts are apocrypha inspired for the wise only. Gospel of Nic, and History of Joseph are the most important two out of them. Josephus described this guy
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which is interesting although it does not match Rev 11. So that is not one of the two witnesses but it gives an idea of what they might of looked like to outsiders- crazy people.

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These extrabiblical narratives are not actually Scripture; otherwise, they would have been included in the canons. The early church fathers, with the help of the Holy Spirit, determined which of the many early church writings were Scripture and which were not.

If the preterist view is the correct view:

If this man of sin lived in the first century AD., he was most likely John of Gischala.

AI summary: The "man of sin" mentioned in 2 Thessalonians 2:3 is a figure associated with the events leading up to the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 AD, according to preterist interpretations. One prominent candidate is John of Gischala, a Jewish Zealot leader who rose to power during the Great Revolt against Rome. He is believed to have fulfilled the prophecy by throwing off the Mosaic Law, inciting civil war, famine, and crime in Jerusalem, and positioning himself as a despotic ruler who symbolically and literally "took his seat in the Temple of God," exalting himself over the Temple’s objects of worship. His actions are seen as aligning with the description of the man of sin who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God.

It seems to me that these Thessalonians and the other first-century Christians could have been the intended audience for the actual fulfillment of the following:

2 Thessalonians 2:3-12
Now concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our assembling to meet him, we beg you, brethren, 2 not to be quickly shaken in mind or excited, either by spirit or by word, or by letter purporting to be from us, to the effect that the day of the Lord has come. 3 Let no one deceive you in any way; for that day will not come, unless the rebellion comes first, and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the son of perdition, 4 who opposes and exalts himself against every so-called god or object of worship, so that he takes his seat in the temple of God, proclaiming himself to be God. 5 Do you not remember that when I was still with you I told you this? 6 And you know what is restraining him now so that he may be revealed in his time. 7 For the mystery of lawlessness is already at work; only he who now restrains it will do so until he is out of the way. 8 And then the lawless one will be revealed, and the Lord Jesus will slay him with the breath of his mouth and destroy him by his appearing and his coming. 9 The coming of the lawless one by the activity of Satan will be with all power and with pretended signs and wonders, 10 and with all wicked deception for those who are to perish, because they refused to love the truth and so be saved. 11 Therefore God sends upon them a strong delusion, to make them believe what is false, 12 so that all may be condemned who did not believe the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

Is the breath of his mouth actually the truth of the Gospel of Jesus Christ? Does his appearing and his coming mean the appearance and the power of the Roman armies? Luke 21:20

It seems to me that it is St. Michael, the archangel, who will bind the final antichrist and false prophet and cast them into the lake of fire. St. Michael is of the same angelic hierarchy as Satan, and so he will defeat Satan at the sound of the last trumpet.

So much fun to speculate!

What is important, though, is to ask ourselves, "Am I ready to meet the Lord right now?" If our answer is "no," then we need to repent and confess our sins so that Jesus will forgive us and we will become God's friend once again.

The bible talks about 'heavenly gift', christians can experience things from heaven/God.

Also says we will have affliction.

Factotum said:

Intelligent attys don't make the same 'mistake' on several applications, for decades, when checking the box that describes what a property WILL BE used for.

If you watch me buy 5 homes in 23yrs where you then ask me each time, "are you using the property for generating revenue/commercial purposes or for your private residence you'll live in?" And each time I tell you, "its my private residence to live in", then... I should not get stand there after 30yrs, get caught, and then say, "OH, I thought each time I had told you how I really meant to say that I'd be using the homes to rent out to tenants. I'm sorry if I forgot to tell you that."

I am in awe, at how much a person has to love dishonesty, in order to support liberal-democrat leaders.

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Where are you getting five homes from? Is there more than one property or mortgage with claims of misconduct?

Because they want American citizenship and not the citizenship of the Roman Empire.

bling said:

Acts 8: 14 When the apostles in Jerusalem heard that Samaria had accepted the word of God, they sent Peter and John to Samaria. 15 When they arrived, they prayed for the new believers there that they might receive the Holy Spirit, 16 because the Holy Spirit had not yet come on any of them; they had simply been baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus. 17 Then Peter and John placed their hands on them, and they received the Holy Spirit. 18 When Simon saw that the Spirit was given at the laying on of the apostles’ hands, he offered them money 19 and said, “Give me also this ability so that everyone on whom I lay my hands may receive the Holy Spirit.”

Acts 8 seems to be saying the Samaritans were immersed water baptized, but had not received the outwardly visible miraculous powers of the Spirit until the Apostles laid hands on them, so water baptism was around separate from Holy Spirit baptism. This is also seen in Acts 19: 4 Paul said, “John’s baptism was a baptism of repentance. He told the people to believe in the one coming after him, that is, in Jesus.” 5 On hearing this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus. 6 When Paul placed his hands on them, the Holy Spirit came on them, and they spoke in tongues and prophesied. 7 There were about twelve men in all.

Acts 19:6 is not a continuation of Acts 19:5 with some translators putting an period or a conjunction between them showing separation. Acts 19:6 is no a description of the baptism, but you might want further study on this.

Acts 10: 44 While Peter was still speaking these words, the Holy Spirit came on all who heard the message. 45 The circumcised believers who had come with Peter were astonished that the gift of the Holy Spirit had been poured out even on Gentiles. 46 For they heard them speaking in tongues and praising God. Then Peter said, 47 “Surely no one can stand in the way of their being baptized with water. They have received the Holy Spirit just as we have.” 48 So he ordered that they be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ. Then they asked Peter to stay with them for a few days.

Acts 11: 15 “As I began to speak, the Holy Spirit came on them as he had come on us at the beginning. 16 Then I remembered what the Lord had said: ‘John baptized with water, but you will be baptized with the Holy Spirit.’ 17 So if God gave them the same gift he gave us who believed in the Lord Jesus Christ, who was I to think that I could stand in God’s way?”

Peter is water Baptizing and the Spirit seems to be Spiritually baptizing these gentiles first. Notice Peter has to go back to Pentecost to get a similar “Baptism of the Spirit” example so it was not regularly happening.

A book could be written on Christian water baptism and the Holy Spirit baptism, which seem to be two different actions.

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I'll Quote Macarthur for context. on these passages in Acts. If you can give me your thoughts on this.


" the believers in Samaria who were converted under the ministry of Philip had to wait a short while to receive the baptism with the Holy Spirit, until Peter and John came up to Samaria and laid hands on the converts (Acts 8:17). In that unique transitional situation as the Church was beginning, those particular believers had to wait for the Holy Spirit, but they were not told to seek Him. The purpose for that exception was to demonstrate to the apostles, and to bring word back to the Jewish believers in general, that the same Holy Spirit baptized and filled Samaritan believers as baptized and filled Jewish believers--just a short while later Peter and a few other Jewish Christians were sent to witness to Cornelius and his household in order to be convinced that the gospel was for all men and to see that "the Holy Spirit had been poured out on the Gentiles also"(Acts 10:44-45). Those special transitional events did not represent the norm, as our present text makes clear, but were given to indicate to all that the body was one"....

"Why did the Samaritans (and later the Gentiles) have to wait for the apostles before receiving the Spirit? For centuries, the Samaritans and the Jews had been bitter rivals. If the Samaritans had received the Spirit independent of the Jerusalem, that rift would have been perpetuated. There could well have been two separate churches, a Jewish church and a Samaritan church. But God had designed one church, in which "there is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free man, there is neither male nor female," but "all are one in Christ Jesus" (Gal. 3:2.)...

By delaying the Spirit's coming until Peter and John arrived, God preserved the unity of the church. The apostles needed to see for themselves, and give firsthand testimony to the Jerusalem church, that the Spirit came upon the Samaritans. The Samaritans also needed to learn that they were subject to apostolic authority. The Jewish believers and Samaritans were thus linked together in one body....

Today, believers receive the Spirit at salvation (cf.1 Cor. 12:13). There was no need for delay after Jews, Gentiles, Samaritans, and Old Testament saints were already included in the church. (Macarthur)


Today...

"Being filled with the spirit must be distinguished from being baptized with the spirit. The apostle Paul carefully defines the baptism with the spirit as that act of Christ by which He places believers into His body (Romans 6:4-6; 1 Corinthians 12:13; Galatians 3:27). In contrast to much errant teaching today, the New Testament nowhere commands believers to seek the baptism with the Holy Spirit. It is a sovereign, single, unrepeatable act on Gods part, and is no more an experience than are its companions justification and adoption. Although some wrongly view the baptism with the Spirit as the initiation into the ranks of the spiritual elite, nothing could be further from the truth. The purpose of the baptism with the spirit is not to divide the body of Christ, but to unify it. As Paul wrote to the Corinthians, through the baptism with the Spirit "we were all baptized into one body" (1 Corinthians 12:13; cf. Galatians 3:26-27; Ephesians 4:4-6)

Unlike the baptism with the Spirit, being filled with the Spirit is an experience and should be continuous. Although filled initially on the day of Pentecost, Peter was filled again in Acts 4:8. Many of the same people filled with the Spirit in Acts 2 were filled again in Acts 4:31. Acts 6:5 describes Stephen as a man "full of faith and the Holy Spirit," yet Acts 7:55 records his being filled again. Paul was filled with the Spirit in Acts 9:17 and again in Acts 13:9.

While there is no command in scripture to be baptized with the Spirit, believers are commanded to be filled with the Spirit (Ephesians 5:18 ). The grammatical construction of that passage indicates believers are to be continuously being filled with the Spirit. Those who would be filled with the Spirit must first empty themselves. That involves confession of sin and dying to selfishness and self will. To be filled with the Holy Spirit is to consciously practice the presence of the Lord Jesus Christ and to have a mind saturated with the Word of God. Colossians 3:16-25 delineates the results of "letting the word of Christ richly dwell" in us. They are the same ones that result from the filling of the Spirit (Ephesians 5:19-33). As believers yield the moment by moment decisions of life to His control, they "walk by the Spirit" (Galatians 5:16). The baptism of the Spirit grants the power that the filling with the Spirit unleashes." (Macarthur)

I wish this part of the forum was more active.

How is everyone doing? Has anyone read anything or heard anything good lately?

There's a couple of new blog post on Sheila Gregoire. I'll post them below:

Hans Blaster said:

You can't put increased polarization (splitting of opinions with little in the middle) and strong political bias (pushing towards one end of politics) on the same thing (higher education). Such does not compute.

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If Universities are of the mindset that liberal policies are the cure for all societal ills, by and large, the polarization comes into existence by those who push back. Those who push back are then drilled even harder, to force them to understand "the right way", which causes them push back again, resulting in an increasing polarization effect.

I think that's understandable.

Dale said:

Where did Jesus ever say that Genesis is a literal historical accvount? I don't see where He ever said this.

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He referenced the creation of Adam amd Eve by God as true history

Maria Billingsley said:

In this case, I am happy to be labeled a liberal.
Thanks for sharing.

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I dont know if you are or aren't. I just want you not to twist scripture into some sort of political document for your personal political cause. Its a violation of scripture to do so.

peaceful-forest said:

One of the "oldies" stations in my area plays that song! It's crazy to think of them as "oldies".

I'm actually surprised at the amount of people in here that like No Doubt. They tend to be Gen X and Millennials, but just the fact that I know there are several people on here that like No Doubt and even Gwen Stefani's solo music.

I've thought about making a separate thread about No Doubt and Gwen Stefani.

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I was born in December of 63 so technically I'm at the end of the Baby Boomers

iluvatar5150 said:

It’s never been the hispanic guys. They’ve always showed up and done what they were supposed to. The quality of their work has ranged from acceptable to incredible.

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Thats not my experience. And its not the experience of others I know. But you are correct. I also know Americans who have done shoddy work.

The truth is, anyone can do shoddy work, Americans or Hispanics.

Shoddy work isnt the real deal. Its illegals taking work away from Americans.

FredVB said:

Consider, the wisdom of God, with which all creation was made, included mathematics, which had always been in the wisdom of God. It was necessarily present in God's wisdom, as God is triune in being. If God was not triune but solitary in being, there would be nothing of mathematics from that, as there would be nothing but solitary unity, everything would be just a value of one, and no other numbers. Love God has requires more than one, and creation would not come with no number but one. God's creation is possible as it comes from love that God has, and has without limit.

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Yes, that's well put.

The entrance into the world of numbers in the Bible is shown to us right at the beginning of the Word of G-d. We see in the introduction how G-d comes into view. He exists. He is not described. He is not questioned. The same applies to the number one. The Bible does not begin with the letter one in the first letter, but with another number, two



From this alone, one can recognise the connection between G-d and one. One could say: The biblical number one has the meaning ‘G-d’. It is not possible to formulate such a simple meaning for every number.

The third word, elohim (meaning G-d), has the numerical value one as its first letter. This reveals the meaning of one as the number of G-d. It is also striking that the third letter of the Bible is also one



It is therefore noteworthy that both in the words and in the letters there is a connection between one and three.

We see that the Bible begins with two. Both the first and second words begin with the letter two



When we write ‘letter,’ we often also mean ‘number.’ The first two words, ‘in the beginning‘ and ’created‘, describe creation (the act of creating) by G-d. Therefore, two is the number of creation. From our human perspective, creation is everything that we can perceive with our senses and think with our minds.

Therefore, two has a true diversity of meanings. However, we see the fundamental meaning in the relationship: Two as creation stands opposite its creator G-d (one). With creation, something new, something second, comes into being. It is the step from unity to diversity. Two is the beginning of the many. The process of creation is expressed by the numerical relationship

1+1 = 2.

The ‘adding together’ of two numbers (addition) represents the joining together of two units. The result of this calculation (the sum) is the new unit consisting of the joined units. G-d created something new out of himself, creation. In this view, the two connects. But it also has a dividing or separating side. G-d is eternal, without beginning or end. Creation, however, has a beginning. In this respect, G-d and creation differ. Therefore, the two is also separate from the one.

Through the act of creation, G-d created the ‘opposite,’ the ‘you,’ the ‘other,’ the ‘new.’ When we look at the numbers, we see a further meaning of the number two as the number of the ‘Son,’ which is connected to one, the ‘Father.’ G-d's entire creation corresponds to two.

In Gen 1:1, we read that this creation consists of two parts, on the one hand ‘the heavens’ and on the other hand ‘the earth’.

However, the first three words of the Bible also conceal a meaning of three, which is revealed in the NT. In these three words, there is a twofold relationship between one and three:



The first letter of the third word is one and the third letter of the Bible is one. This already shows that G-d is related to three. It is in the NT that we learn that G-d is a Trinity.

The word elohim (G-d) is a plural word in Hebrew (like the word parents in English). However, the preceding verb ‘created’ is in the singular. This fact already reflects in the OT that G-d is a trinity (the triune G-d). A meaning of three is therefore ‘trinity’.

So we’re gonna keep casually ignoring KJV is the only translation that says Christ was crucified before the Galatians?

I have been reading parts of Philip B. Payne's book "The Bible vs. Biblical Womanhood".

It has been helping me with writing my current article. And it also made me realize why I wanted to quit reading the Amplified translation of the Bible to begin with. I've gone back to the NIV again.

Over in another part of the forum, I asked if other Christians had trouble making friends. I didn't like certain responses I got. I started evaluating myself.

I think I have good reasons to not go to church. This year alone, I have dramatically grown in the knowledge of God and the Bible by reading books written by Christians and listening to podcasts made by Christians, not by going to church. I can't say how many churches in America are compromised and aren't doing what they're supposed to be doing. Sound doctrine is important, and is especially important to me. You don't want to go to a church that's been hijacked by Satan. That's bad for you.

And I don't understand why I need to attend church to meet other Christians. Christians clearly exist outside of a church building. Do they disappear once they step outside church?

Earlier this week, I was thinking about how perhaps I'm not meant to have many Christian friends. Where are the people that have the same values and beliefs as me? I can't be the only one that realizes parts of the Bible have been altered, mistranslated, and misinterpreted. Maybe I'm supposed to be friends with non-Christians or something.

I hope my future husband is at least equal to me concerning these matters.

samaus123456789 said:

You are right, and I am wrong. You are the expert not me. You have wasted my time before on my Enoch threads. I will not allow my time to be wasted anymore.

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I am truly sorry you feel I have wasted your time. I thought the point of a forum was to discuss things. However, I am going to leave this thread now, as I certainly don't want to waste anybody's time. Thank you for the discussion.

WHERE DID JESUS KEEP THE SABBATH? – In the tomb.

He took the sabbath with Him into the tomb and died away from it. On the first day of the week, Sunday, He rose from the dead as “the last Adam” (1 Corinthians 15:45), the new forefather of mankind for those who come to faith. The sabbath had now come to its end, to its fulfilment; and the eternally abiding rest of the New Covenant became prevailing. “Come unto me … and I will give you rest.” Matthew 11:28–30. We came unto Him and received rest. “For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his.” Hebrews 4:10.

The rest of the heart received in coming to faith is therefore the sabbath rest of the New Covenant. We who have come to faith and have been baptized with immersion have the sabbath rest of the New Covenant in our hearts twenty-four hours a day, seven days a week, continuing forever.

truthuprootsevil said:

I feel I am a genuine Christian and I believe that Christ was crucified on a Wednesday and he rose on the Sabbath.

I believe either the lack of the translators knowledge of the ancient Israelites Sabbath days and which Sabbath day was being referred to along with their lack of knowledge that the Israelites days began at 6:00 p.m. gave them reason to feel it was Friday or because Constantine made It law that Sunday was the day of worship removing the day of worship from the Sabbath, the first Roman churches agreed and gave reasoning for the acceptance that Christ was crucified on a Friday and rose on a Sunday I feel, and they grossly miscalculated the days.

And if one had just a smidgen of mathematical knowledge one would know if Jesus was crucified on a Friday and stayed in the belly of the Earth for 3 days and three nights he would have risen on a Monday.

I believe that is why the Lord made the Sabbath day Holy unto himself and for men because that was when his plan of salvation for man was carried out.

Lord didn't say remember the Sabbath and keep it holy as a part of the Ten Commandments for nothing. Nor did he ever change the Sabbath from the seventh day to the first day, the Roman Church accepted that under Constantine.

Wish I could still find the information that was available few years ago detailing each event and each Sabbath that was taken place during the time of the crucifixion of Christ. This is close not as detailed but close
Blog | Maranatha Baptist Church Why I Believe in a Wednesday Crucifixion

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It specifically says what day it was:

John 19:30-31

30 When he had received the drink, Jesus said, “It is finished.” With that, he bowed his head and gave up his spirit.

31 Now it was the day of Preparation, and the next day was to be a special Sabbath. Because the Jewish leaders did not want the bodies left on the crosses during the Sabbath, they asked Pilate to have the legs broken and the bodies taken down.

The only way to solve this riddle is that the first day of the week is Monday after Sunday. This simply means the gospel writers used Roman weekdays.

Actually, they used the Byzantine calendar.

Unqualified said:

snow building up, icy roads.

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I love my Jeep!