Hentenza said:

BTW- it always make me laugh when someone that is inserting their interpretation to the text, accuse me of doing the same.

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Explain how I insert my interpretation when I stated

1. Jews who believed Christ as their Messiah continue to circumcise their kids and be zealous for the Law. (Acts 21:20)
2. Gentiles who believed are exempted. (Acts 21:25)

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Alright, I see that I need to remind some people of actual Christian Forums' rules.

jacks said:

Now you're asking? Would that be From Testimony to Knowledge: Evaluating Near-Death Experiences (available on Amazon), which you have mentioned at least twice?

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We do have a rule against promoting commercial products or services.

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However, it also has to do with the user's intent. There's a difference between "I have a book that I would like to use as a basis for a forum discussion here" and "Buy my book! Buy my book! Did I mention that I have a cool book?"

Not only that, but he may be posting parts of the mentioned book here as part of the discussion. If he doesn't tell us that's his book he could be actioned for copyright violations. Did you think of that? No? That's why you should leave moderating to the actual mods and Ambassadors who are trained to handle these types of situations.

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That's the rule that was violated here, over and over again.

2PhiloVoid said:

divulgence to my earlier question implies that theology and apologetics will be stepped on here in the attempt to explicate a particular view of The Philosophy of History and/or Historiography, you run the risk of having this thread closed and removed. And that would be an unfortunate waste of time for both of us.

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This is flaming the new member. There's a difference between a Contempt of Christianity violation and this unbeliever simply explaining his own view. We have unbelievers who do that in the science forums all the time. And, if another mod disagrees with me and decides that it is, he was goaded into it by the question he was asked.

From my perspective, he's been giving us free philosophy information and this is how you treat him? This is a subforum problem - we just need to use two threads if this thread drifts into apologetics or theology by having this newbie start a second thread in Exploring Christianity or Ethics and Morality, which he was actually willing to do. He's been very cooperative and asking questions.

2PhiloVoid said:

However, and as unfortunate as it is, you've been preceded here by a number of vitriolic, atheistic, rambunctious trolls who a few years ago, through their constant needling of Christians and their respective views on faith, have caused the rules of Christian Forums to be changed so that discussions that delve into the depths of Philosophy and Apologetics can no longer be had between Christians and non-Christians.

So, even though I consider myself as someone who has been partially influenced by philosophers like Wittgenstein in my own outlook on the world, that sort of discussion won't go far here on CF. So, you have two choices 1) leave CF and forget about it, or 2) change your approach to one that doesn't dig in too much and overturn the apple cart, so to speak.

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Are you a mod? Do you have authority to make these sorts of determinations and dictate his options to him? I told him this thread was okay here. I don't see any rules that he has violated. He's not a troll. Do you think the members of staff are so blind that we can't tell the difference?

I'm disappointed. We could have had a good philosophical discussion here, but you chose to drive him away. Don't even think of pinning the blame for this one on the staff. This time, you did it to yourselves.

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I don't want my speech to be limited by anyone, especially if my speech is not harming anyone. I'm moving on.

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Go in peace. I am sorry that you have been treated badly here.

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Valletta said:

As word spread about the operation unfolding on Rose Ave., neighbors and activists calling themselves "constitutional observers" streamed in, holding phones in the air to videotape what was unfolding. Tensions rose as more and more demonstrators arrived, yelling at federal agents lined up on the sidewalk in front of the home. An agent could be heard speaking through a bullhorn: "You are too close... if you do not comply, we will use force."
Around 11:15 a.m., things came to a head, with officers using cans to spray the growing crowd. Prepared after last week's raid on Bro-Tex LLC., community members were equipped to treat those who had been targeted with chemical irritants.

Federal agents launch another operation in St. Paul

According to a statement from DHS, ICE agents were arresting one person, who they say was from Honduras and in the country illegally.

www.kare11.com

They should get some jail time for interfering with law enforcement. Otherwise it will just continue.

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Maybe this is all a bit overboard just to arrest a single person. Aren’t you all about cutting waste and improving government efficiency? This is horribly inefficient and wasteful and not to mention, cruel to treat normal Americans like they’re some enemy force.

Vambram said:

I agree with Keith Gross and Mike Davis.

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Too bad for Gross and Davis they literally passed a law, signed by Bush in 2007 that makes their arguments irrelevant.

Say it aint so said:

Now suppose the implementation of those gender affirming actions reduce suicide rates.
If it does, is there more empathic value in that or just get rid of them regardless?

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"Gender affirming care" (According to Medicare data) increases suicide stats by double compared to "cis gender" population.
Another stat I saw cited that almost 20% of 10 year post op transgender individuals commit suicide. (40% attempt) I think that may be the HIGHEST suicide rate in any population. (At last it's the highest stat I've ever seen.)

Suicide rates general populations:
(Veterans = 14%)
(Police = .021%)
(Incarcerated in state or federal prisons = 8%)

Andrewn said:

Do you believe those in the spirit prison have a chance to repent and go to paradise?

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Sorry, I was at work but Christ taught them the gospel so it stands to reason they were given a chance after Christ died and rose again. For what other reason would he preach the good news to them? What are your beliefs? I know many believe in soul sleep but I don't see why Christ would even mention a gulf that divides them. Yes, it's a parable but I believe the gulf is based in reality.

mark46 said:

So, you have two views and you prefer responding only to those who identify as person using their own individual opinions. Not me.

POSITION PNE
The position of a poster here [probably greatly influenced by their political party outlook].

POSITION TWO
The stated AI position of Google where Google has researched hundreds of sites and composed a composite response.
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I have very. very little reason to believe that poster presenting his or her own opinion has an opinion more likely to be complete and correct than the consolidated AI response.

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I don’t really care what ai knows. I care what people think. That’s why I come to discussion boards. AI doesn’t have any better insight into to your opinion than I can try to guess on my own.

essentialsaltes said:

Snort. The Claim on the table was

"Fuentes broadcasts his flaws publicly, and his messages are amplified by those on the right."

From your source:

Nick Fuentes, an online personality known for his racist and antisemitic views, has elicited renewed interest from national news publications and political figures in recent months, exemplified by a series of his appearances on podcasts popular with right-wing audiences

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Yes, Fuentes has appeared on other people's podcasts, which are popular. But
It says nothing about Fuentes having an increased fan base of his own.

It also says he has "elicited renewed interest from "national news publications" and "political figures"... Those national news publications that he has elicited interest from, appear to be primarily left-wing news, like BBC, who are actually condemning him.

If you agree with that, and that's all you've been claiming this whole time, then I suppose we agree. And I admit I misunderstood who Mike Johnson was referring to when he said "he" has a lot of listeners - he was actually referring to Carlson, which is true.

Prayer is the key

Tenderness is the virtue that allows the love in your heart to be expressed through touch, sight, and speech.
God is love; therefore, during My time on earth, My love was revealed through the touch of My hands,
the gaze of My eyes, and the words I spoke.
—The Love Crucified Community, The Simple Path to Union with God (p. 279)

I believe that, although there are exceptions, men often feel more at ease with aggressive emotions than with tenderness. Yet there are moments when tenderness emerges—toward children who need protection, or towards the elderly. Much of my monastic journey has been about learning to accept these softer emotions. I am still on that path. At times, it is hard to endure the inner landscape of my own heart.

As a late bloomer, I learned early to keep aggression in check—losing fights was not attractive. So, I repressed it, and when repression failed, I endured it. Later, in the Navy and through weightlifting, I became more aware of my aggression, shielded by physical strength. My personality has always been non-threatening, and growing up in a large family taught me how to navigate different temperaments.

Life in the monastery deepened my self-awareness and awakened a longing for inner healing. The more I prayed, the more I sensed this need. For years, I spoke little about it, until around age forty, when the strain began to affect my health. Inner healing is slow, as anyone seeking union with God discovers. I uncovered hidden trust issues beyond my reach. The first step was awareness—recognizing how pain, anger, and mistrust could distort life and breed chaos.

To love God fully, inner healing is essential. Pain is a wake-up call; ignore it, and life becomes harder. Prayer and my relationship with Christ kept me from self-medicating, though food has always been a struggle. Learning self-love has been the hardest lesson—growing through failure, rising again. God commands us to love ourselves, and the fact that it is a command reveals its difficulty.

Breakthroughs often come in dreams or through upheaval—like heart surgery. That crisis exposed my vulnerability and changed me. My heart feels lighter now; I sense love more deeply. It took seventy-six years to reach this point.

It is all grace. My part is simple: show up, get up, don’t give up. Slowly, the Holy Spirit works. Progress is slow because, on many levels, I still wrestle with God. Prayer is the key, and trust opens the heart to Christ Jesus.
—Br. MD

Eruption resumed high fountaining with episode 37 about one hour ago. Video streams are posted in posts #5, 12, 68. Video has 12 hour scroll back. Episode should last 5-10 hours or so.

The Pentagon announced Nov. 24 that it was investigating Sen. Mark Kelly for "serious allegations of misconduct" after the Arizona Democrat called for U.S. troops to refuse unlawful orders.

Officials are reviewing whether Kelly was involved in a breach of military law, according to a post on X from the Department of War, formally the Department of Defense.

Kelly was among a group of six Democratic lawmakers who put out a video directed at service members telling them they have the right not to obey orders they believe to be illegal.

"A thorough review" of the allegations was initiated to determine further actions against Kelly, a retired U.S. Navy captain, "which may include recall to active duty for court-martial proceedings or administrative measures," the post reads.

The social media post cited a federal law that allows retired military members to be recalled to active duty if ordered.

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This should be interesting.

essentialsaltes said:

Plenty of other threads here if you don't care about this topic.

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At this point I'm just answering replies I'm getting about something that might happen three months from now. I expect everyone here will have forgotten all about it way before the end of February. And I doubt anything will come of it to remind anyone about it.

Here's an idea for this coming Thursday's Thanksgiving time. You're around the table, either for lunch or dinner. Your guests are there, and who knows what they will want to talk about. But YOU are the host. You get to pick the "table topic." When everyone has had their share of roast turkey, stuffing, cranberry sauce, mashed potatoes, and corn, before serving the dessert, have them read and share their take on "10 Bible verses" connected with "giving thanks." What do these verses tell you? How do you personally relate to these verses?

If you have 10 guests, each guest gets a verse. If there are 5 guests, each one gets 2 verses. Do the math, divide up the verses, and let that be the "Table Talk" before dessert.

1 Thessalonians 5:18; Psalm 100:4; Psalm 9:1; Psalm 7:17 1 Chronicles 16:34; Philippians 4:6; Colossians 3:15; 4:2; Psalm 50:14

2 Corinthians 4:15; 1 Corinthians 15:57

Yarddog said:

And Socialism has worked.

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When?

...and don't bring up the Nordic countries, they're not socialism, they're capitalist models with an expanded welfare state. (which is different than socialism)

Here's an idea for this coming Thursday's Thanksgiving time. You're around the table, either for lunch or dinner. Your guests are there, and who knows what they will want to talk about. But YOU are the host. You get to pick the "table topic." When everyone has had their share of roast turkey, stuffing, cranberry sauce, mashed potatoes, and corn, before serving the dessert, have them read and share their take on "10 Bible verses" connected with "giving thanks." What do these verses tell you? How do you personally relate to these verses?

If you have 10 guests, each guest gets a verse. If there are 5 guests, each one gets 2 verses. Do the math, divide up the verses, and let that be the "Table Talk" before dessert.

1 Thessalonians 5:18; Psalm 100:4; Psalm 9:1; Psalm 7:17 1 Chronicles 16:34; Philippians 4:6; Colossians 3:15; 4:2; Psalm 50:14

2 Corinthians 4:15; 1 Corinthians 15:57

essentialsaltes said:

Trump Canceling GDP Report Comes Under Scrutiny​

The U.S. Bureau of Economic Analysis said on Monday that it has canceled the release of its advance estimate of third-quarter GDP. [And no future release date has been set.]

The department said the release was being canceled due to disruption caused by the federal government shutdown, but the announcement has sparked criticism and speculation that the report is being held because of disappointing data.

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Thanks for keeping up on this.

Science does nothing but lie about God's creation from the globe lie to the evolution lie and whatever future lies they come up with.

Studyman said:

I agree, but that is the posters position that I was responded to. I know you consider other Laws of God as moral, as your recent posts have shown. I didn't mean to suggest you didn't. Sorry if my post seemed like I did.

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Thanks for clarifying. I appreciate that.

Studyman said:

I agree that the "Way of the Lord" includes respect, honor and obedience towards His Sanctified and Holy Sabbath, which HE made for men.

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At least we agree on a few things. That’s a start.

Studyman said:

I don't agree that the importance of God's Law is determined by the manner in which HE gives them. Abraham and Sodom both had God's Laws delivered to them. And the punishment for rejecting them, or blessings for submitting to them wasn't based on the manner in which God's Laws were given.

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I do not believe God does anything without intention. There is a reason only the Ten Commandments is under His mercy seat and no other laws. There is a reason He personally wrote them, verses having man write the other laws that were outside the ark. I never said that the importance of God’s Law is determined by the manner in which He gave them because I believe He gave them to all of His people in all times why they knew what sin and what He deems as righteous right from the very beginning. God’s Laws belong to Him. But I do think God made a point in the manner in which He gave the Ten Commandments - He personally spoke them to an entire nation, He personally wrote them. Not something He did before. He had individual covenants with His people, but never with an entire nation until He delivered His Laws written with His finger on stone. I would like a human to try writing in stone with their own finger, they can’t why the other laws were written with ink on scrolls.

Studyman said:

I don't believe there exists a LAW of God that isn't directly tied to how to Love Him and honor Him will all our heart and soul, (Exodus 20) or how to love others or how to love ourselves. (Lev. 19)

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Agreed

Studyman said:

But it's a commitment men must make from their own heart, who is God and who is not

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Agreed

probinson said:

I read what you said just fine. You said that the ACA lowered costs. It did not. You are demonstrably wrong. In fact in my case, after the ACA was passed, the rate of increase of my healthcare costs accelerated vs. how much it had increased in prior years.

You're hanging your hat on the unverifiable claim that the ACA reduced the rate of healthcare cost increase. But neither you, nor I, nor anyone else has any idea how much or how quickly the rate of increase would have been without the ACA. That is a counterfactual that literally NO ONE can know, because it didn't happen. The whole of your "lower costs" assertion rests on this unknown.

I suppose it's easier to pretend like the recipients of your message are incapable of understanding what you've written than it is to admit that you're just plain wrong.

Have a Happy Thanksgiving.

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Are you getting your insurance via the ACA? That is via the exchange either with or without a subsidy?

Larniavc said:

When has that ever been the case? Must be a huge waste of money to ever advertise anything ever if there is more profit in something that no one knows anything about.

Sigh.

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IP (Intellectual Property) is more precious than you realize. If a tech give you a capability nobody else has, you can sell that capability instead as a service while maintaining the use of such tech in secret. You maintain full control of your IP.

Such use eliminates competition, eliminates cheap knock-offs. You'll have far greater freedom you can set your price.

I've worked data analytics for retailers selling their own products (including big brands) most my life. Most of the unrealized sales is attributed to cheap Chinese knockoffs and you can't beat the manufacturing capacity of China. Not yet anyway. And because of competition, the profit margins are kept small. All these factors result to high sensitivity to market fluctuations which is bad. Many big retailers go bankrupt and they're not run by stupid people. Retailing is just difficult and Trump is making things even harder.

I don't possess any game-changing tech yet. But if I had, the growth projections can't ever be matched by retailing even if everything went right with retailing.

Fascinating!

“We recognize that nations have a responsibility to regulate their borders and establish a just and orderly immigration system for the sake of the common good. Without such processes, immigrants face the risk of trafficking and other forms of exploitation. Safe and legal pathways serve as an antidote to such risks.”

stevevw said:

But it certainly is not a cold, hard factual thread of just objective science but also of philsophy of science. Otherwise all it would be doing in doubling down on the idea that it is the material science that is partly to blame for creating the flaw in the narrative by pushing this worldview over all else in this thread. It becomes another situation dominated by one methodology and epistemics in how we should see the world.

Partly. Like I said you could look at the things they made and if the ancients did use say chemistry and messing around with the physics of material nature. If the ancients knowledge came from their belief and experiences how would you prove this.

We could perhaps prove the out of place signature is real and was caused by some sort of machining. We could prove the ancients purposely designed the pyramids to generate some sort of energy they used.

But you will not ever believe that this was the result of some transcedent knowledge.

So it is better to prove that there is transcedent knoewledge before trying to show in in specific examples that your never going to believe and will always want a material and scientific explanation for.

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Material science is not some philosophical argument it is an actual science, I was a materials scientist working in forensic engineering.
Here is a case history of a head on car collision where the steering column disintegrated on impact impaling and killing the driver.
It is all about gathering evidence from various sources and forming a conclusion from the evidence.


The same principles apply to the investigation of ancient tooling to produce vases, stone blocks, statues, casing stones etc where evidence is gathered from various disciplines to form a conclusion.


By comparison we have a bicycle parts manufacturer claiming the striation patterns on vase fragments were not produced by known ancient Egyptian tooling or an engineer who thinks the pyramids could not have been built but were also power sources, none of which is evidence based but personal opinion.
Lets disguise this by bringing transcedent (sic) knowledge into the picture which ultimately explains nothing.

I'm sure the family of the crash victim would take greater solace in knowing the circumstances of the accident was based on the evidence rather than some unknown transcendent mechanism.

CLEEB said:

Jesus was not of the priesthood of Aaron / Levitical but of Melchizedek. Hebrews 7:7 You attempt to connect what Jesus did with the Levitical system will not apply. If Jesus was on Earth today he would not be a priest. Hebrews 8:4 Jesus could not even be a priest under the law because he came from Judah not Levi. You have your wires crossed and your comment has short circuited.

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Maybe your wires. are not there. ??

Read Heb 5:6-14 , PLEASE as I have to go as I am at work !!

Christ will be a HIGH . PRIEST DURING THE MILLENNIAL KINGDOM

dan p