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Basil the Great · 2025-12-08T21:01:30-0600

2PhiloVoid said:
And you would be extremely wrong to think that philosophy is, in whole, mutually exclusive to Christian theology.

You might want to keep in mind that, actually, the undertaking of biblical systematic theology REQUIRES the application of some points of the wide (very, very wide) field of Philosophy.

You would be right to say that I don't hold to Sola Scriptura, and I'd go on record to in fact say that in order to be saved, no one needs to. God is bigger than the rag tag collection of letters and books we call the New Testament, after all, and I'll continue to take my measures for what constitutes 'good theology' from many Christian scholars (and ministers) rather than ................... only one local minister.

And in saying all of the above, I'll continue on in my viewpoint and do so with the same outlook and attitude of Copernicus who said, and I quote, "There may be babblers, wholly ignorant of mathematics, who dare to condemn my hypothesis, upon the authority of some part of the Bible twisted to suit their purpose. I value them not, and scorn their unfounded judgment.”

I beg to differ on this point. How can anyone have "sound theology" by believing in a social bubble, with little or no education in the area of Hermeneutics, Biblical Exegesis, and Church History??? ............ by special pleading about one's special, personal revelations or by the special abilities of one's singular local minister? I think not!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Obviously. I never said salvation is exactly congruent with "how well" we know the Scriptures. It's also not exactly congruent with a set of presuppositions attuned solely and only to, shall we say, a more Calvinistic leaning.

And neither is God impressed with anyone's SPIRITUAL ZEAL that persists without KNOWLEDGE.

Well then, with that, have a Merry Christmas!

Indeed, and as Tiny Tim observed, God bless us, ereryone!

Basil the Great · 2025-12-08T20:59:29-0600

I had a friend many years ago tell me that the Elijah prophecy has been fullfilled, since John the Baptist came with the spirit and power of Elijah. He based his claim on Luke 1:17. However, Malachi did not say that God would send a man with the spirit and power of Elijah, did he? No, Malachi said that God would send Elijah. Hence, we appear to have a mystery here.

ARBITER01 · 2025-12-08T20:53:26-0600

Dikaioumenoi said:
1 John 5:1a reads:

πᾶς ὁ πιστεύων ὅτι Ἰησοῦς ἐστὶν ὁ Χριστός, ἐκ τοῦ θεοῦ γεγέννηται
("Everyone who believes that Jesus is the Christ has been born of God")

A few grammatical observations:

First, ὁ πιστεύων is a present active participle functioning substantively: "the one who is believing." The participle presents the subject, and describes a present, ongoing activity rather than a completed act of faith.

Second, γεγέννηται, the main verb of the clause, is a perfect passive indicative: "has been begotten" or "has been born [of God]." The perfect tense is more than just a "past" tense. Its aspectual function specifically points to a completed action in the past whose effects continue into the present.

When the two forms are set in relation to each other, especially with the present participle functioning substantively -- that is, as the subject of the main verb -- the natural sense is that the person who now believes does so as one who has already been born of God. The grammar, therefore, suggests a logical ordering in which the new birth precedes the act of believing.

This does not, of course, deny the simultaneous experience of these realities in human perception, but grammatically the text places regeneration as the root (the logical grounds) and believing as its fruit.

Hmmmm,..... interesting.

Let's see what other sections of scripture say,....

Rom 10:8 But what does it say? "The word is near you, in your mouth, and in your heart;" that is, the word of faith, which we proclaim:
Rom 10:9 that if you will confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.
Rom 10:10 For with the heart, one believes unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

We always compare scripture with scripture to get the proper understanding, we never cherry pick one verse out and then try to build our theology around it with Greek tenses.

Maria Billingsley · 2025-12-08T20:51:35-0600

Hentenza said:
The writings of Ellen White, a prophet of the Seventh Day Adventist church, teach that those who worship on Sunday will receive the mark of the beast and will reject the seal of God. In other words, the vast majority of Christians are doomed for worshipping our Lord on Sunday instead of Saturday.

Here are her writings:

Reception of Mark of the Beast Future—The change of the Sabbath is the sign or mark of the authority of the Romish church. Those who, understanding the claims of the fourth commandment, choose to observe the false sabbath in the place of the true, are thereby paying homage to that power by which alone it is commanded. The mark of the beast is the papal sabbath, which has been accepted by the world in the place of the day of God’s appointment. Ev 234.1
No one has yet received the mark of the beast. The testing time has not yet come. There are true Christians in every church, not excepting the Roman Catholic communion. None are condemned until they have had the light and have seen the obligation of the fourth commandment. But when the decree shall go forth enforcing the counterfeit sabbath, and the loud cry of the third angel shall warn men against the worship of the beast and his image, the line will be clearly drawn between the false and the true. Then those who still continue in transgression will receive the mark of the beast. Ev 234.2
With rapid steps we are approaching this period. When Protestant churches shall unite with the secular power to sustain a false religion, for opposing which their ancestors endured the fiercest persecution, then will the papal sabbath be enforced by the combined authority of church and state. There will be a national apostasy, which will end only in national ruin.—Manuscript 51, 1899. Ev 235.1
When Seal of God Is Refused—If the light of truth has been presented to you, revealing the Sabbath of the fourth commandment, and showing that there is no foundation in the Word of God for Sunday observance, and yet you still cling to the false sabbath, refusing to keep holy the Sabbath which God calls “My holy day,” you receive the mark of the beast. When does this take place? When you obey the decree that commands you to cease from labor on Sunday and worship God, while you know that there is not a word in the Bible showing Sunday to be other than a common working day, you consent to receive the mark of the beast, and refuse the seal of God.—The Review and Herald, July 13, 1897. Ev 235.2
As a Result of Disregard of Light—God has given men the Sabbath as a sign between Him and them, as a test of their loyalty. Those who, after the light regarding God’s law comes to them, continue to disobey and exalt human laws above the law of God in the great crisis before us will receive the mark of the beast.—Letter 98, 1900. Ev 235.3
Caution in Presenting the Sunday Question—[We are] not to provoke those who have accepted this spurious sabbath, an institution of the Papacy in the place of God’s holy Sabbath. Their not having the Bible arguments in their favor makes them all the more angry and determined to supply the place of arguments that are wanting in the Word of God by the power of their might. The force of persecution follows the steps of the dragon. Therefore great care should be exercised to give no provocation.—Letter 55, 1886. Ev 235.4
Let the Truth Do the Cutting—Satan’s efforts against the advocates of the truth will wax more bitter and determined to the very close of time. As in Christ’s day the chief priests and rulers stirred up the people against Him, so today the religious leaders will excite bitterness and prejudice against the truth for this time. The people will be led to acts of violence and opposition which they would never have thought of had they not been imbued with the animosity of professed Christians against the truth. Ev 236.1
And what course shall the advocates of truth pursue? They have the unchangeable, eternal Word of God, and they should reveal the fact that they have the truth as it is in Jesus. Their words must not be rugged and sharp. In their presentation of truth they must manifest the love and meekness and gentleness of Christ. Let the truth do the cutting; the Word of God is as a sharp, two-edged sword, and will cut its way to the heart. Those who know that they have the truth should not, by the use of harsh and severe expressions, give Satan one chance to misinterpret their spirit.—The Review and Herald, October 14, 1902. Ev 236.2
A Call to Enlighten the Masses—I have been shown that Satan is stealing a march upon us. The law of God, through the agency of Satan, is to be made void. In our land of boasted freedom, religious liberty will come to an end. The contest will be decided over the Sabbath question, which will agitate the whole world. Ev 236.3
Our time for work is limited, and God calls us as ministers and people to be minutemen. Teachers as wise as serpents and as harmless as doves must come to the help of the Lord, to the help of the Lord against the mighty. There are many who do not understand the prophecies relating to these days, and they must be enlightened.—Letter 1, 1875. Ev 237.1

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Is Ellen White correct? Are those that worship our Lord on Sunday doomed to receive the mark of the beast?

It is truly exhausting to hear insistent claims across denominations that observing the Jewish Sabbath remains a salvation issue. Respecting the conviction of others, my soul finds peace not in a day, but in every day alike, the finality of the New Covenant established by Jesus Christ of Nazareth. This observance is lifted by the truth that Christ is the culmination of the Law for righteousness (Romans 10:4), rendering this ordinance fulfiled in Him. Scripture clearly states that such days are a shadow but the substance is of Christ and in Him, we find our eternal rest. Let those who observe the Sabbath observe it for God and let those who observe it everyday, likewise for God.
Blessings

Hans Blaster · 2025-12-08T20:47:05-0600

Aryeh Jay said:
The words "Mexican Navy", "seizes", and "Pacific Ocean" are confusing me.

"cocaine" seems to match, one out of 4 is passing score, right?

Dale · 2025-12-08T20:47:05-0600

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We are open carry.

What state is Broken Arrow in? I looked at the link you provided and I don't see Broken Arrow mentioned. I can't begin to comment without knowing where it is.

jonojim1337 · 2025-12-08T20:41:48-0600

martinlb said:
My sigh was over receiving what felt like reactive responses, with no evidence of any interest or curiosity.

Moving on from that, I don't understand the reason for your reference to the great commission? What were you saying with that? I'm asking out of wanting to understand; it's not a challenge.

And I certainly agree with the difficulty of changing tradition ... whether it's helpful and productive or not. I believe the gospels pretty much tell us that's true.

You said something about old English being a stumbling block when reaching out to people. I interpreted it as you wanted to fulfill the Great Commission, as some do. Only problem is that the Great Commission has been achieved, by the Apostolic Church, as the gospel has already reached the ends of the earth. Moreover, the foundational structure of the Church has already been laid. So anything you want to change there, you have to first be ordained a priest from someone who has been ordained by the Apostolic Succession.

Anything else is just witnessing, and you’re free to use whatever language and translations you wish.

partinobodycular · 2025-12-08T20:40:03-0600

stevevw said:
But is not this just your belief itself.

Actually, no. I'm among the vast number of people that think that demons are purely metaphorical at best. But as you say, I'm just an outsider looking in so my opinion is worthless. Which is why I referred to the teachings of more mainstream Christian denominations among whom the belief in demons and their presence here on earth is quite prevalent.

If you have a problem with the teaching you'll have to take it up with them. And unless you're claiming some greater authority on the subject it's to them that I'll have to defer.

So my position holds, what kind of a loving God would place me in a world filled with fallen angels and demons, and then expect me to worship Him for doing so?

CoreyD · 2025-12-08T20:36:40-0600

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jonojim1337 · 2025-12-08T20:33:16-0600

prodromos said:
As much as I love the Red Hot Chilli Peppers, song lyrics are just that, song lyrics.

That was more than just lyrics.

prodromos said:
The Hebrew word transliterated as "nawsaw" has that meaning, but NASA isn't a word, it's an acronym. You've lost me on the Hollywood reference, though they do seem to be a hotbed of demonic activity these days.

Hollywood is what you make magic wands out of.

probinson · 2025-12-08T20:26:02-0600

Gene2memE said:
It's not just Democrats that are having "existential meltdowns" about the vaccine schedule changes. It's pretty much the entirety of the US medical profession.

So, more accurately, Democrats and mostly-Democrat associated health organizations. In particular, those that are funded primarily by pharmaceutical companies. Like the American Association of Pediatrics, as one example. Here's who funds them according to their website:

But I'm sure their recommendations are 100% pure and untainted by the fact that nearly all of their funding comes from the pharmaceutical companies that manufacture these vaccines.

In any event, the new recommendation from ACIP is consistent with many other developed nations of only giving the Hep B vaccine to high-risk newborns. There's no reason for medical organizations to be "deeply alarmed".

iluvatar5150 · 2025-12-08T20:22:41-0600

ThatRobGuy said:
What should be the procedural cut-off for when an executive branch makes an administrative change to rules and prerequisites?

Is it when certain paperwork is filed?, when someone is X% of the way through the process?

Some time before they've completed all of the necessary prerequisites. There's a reason that ex post facto laws are generally prohibited in this country.

iluvatar5150 · 2025-12-08T20:20:24-0600

Robban said:
I have been there in the early sixties other than that I haxe no idea, should I know?

I am not an astronaut.

You said that there was a distinction between immigrants and refugees. Trump canceled the temporary protected status of Haitians and is sending them back in February. I figured since you made the distinction, you knew something about the places where these folks were being sent back to.

Isaac the Recluse · 2025-12-08T20:17:49-0600

Is my niece on TikTok?

IECEO

samaus123456789 · 2025-12-08T19:58:53-0600

It is in heavy code so that it can only be unlocked by someone that studies the bible a lot, studies the life of Solomon deliberately, and specifically, is willing to follow the text of the bible wherever it leads, and is willing to say what the bible says even if it is unpopular amongst other Christians. Also if it said in plain language "the mark of the beast is the hexagram on the future country Israel" the Christian Zionists would mock the bible, and say it has been corrupted that is not what it said originally.

bbbbbbb · 2025-12-08T19:57:35-0600

SabbathBlessings said:
He said He writes His laws.

God said this in the Ten Commandments

Exo 20:6 but showing mercy to thousands, to those who love Me and keep My commandments.

So who defines what God's laws are He, or man.

The only correct answer is God. He wrote them He spoke them He claimed them as His, He numbered them by design Deut4:13 Exo34:28 as He had the foresight that man would tinker with the Dan7:25 its the Testimony of God Exo 31:18 the work of God Ex32:16 there is not much more God could have done had He not come down from heaven and personally wrote them out, He did that too. If we can't believe God to define His owns laws, than I don't think we need Bibles anymore, its basically a free for all. No wonder why there is so much sin in the world.

My point stands firm. "No where in the Bible does it say that God will write His commandments contained in the covenant made with His people, Israel, on Mount Sinai, on Gentile hearts."

samaus123456789 · 2025-12-08T19:56:54-0600

Jipsah said:
Worth Price Charged opinion here. The Revelator seems to assume that his readers will know to whom "666" refers. IMO that lends credibility to the idea that it's simply an encoded name used to keep the the letter itself from becoming a basis for arrest/perscution/execution.

I made a post about it. It links back to Solomon 3 times via 666, and also wisdom, and understanding which links to the modern country "Israel", and the mark of the beast is the hexagram. It is in heavy code so that it can only be unlocked by someone that studies the bible a lot, studies the life of Solomon deliberately, and specifically, is willing to follow the text of the bible wherever it leads, and is willing to say what the bible says even if it is unpopular amongst other Christians. Also if it said in plain language "the mark of the beast is the hexagram on the future country Israel" the Christian Zionists would mock the bible, and say it has been corrupted that is not what it said originally.

Hans Blaster · 2025-12-08T19:52:23-0600

stevevw said:
Not only is your idea of me warped

Are you not middle-aged Australian?

stevevw said:
but your idea and steroetypes of Trump supporters is also twisted and strange.

I had to build the most extreme caricature of an ignorant MAGA Trump superfan to come close to your dogmatic and uninformed presentation on the current US president. I was certainly not stereotyping American Trump supporters.

stevevw said:
My info and view comes from expert analysis and not MAGA.

I disagree because I am basing this off the politicians and expert political commentators. How is it deranged when its truth lol.

Guests on "Lindell . tv" do not meet the normative definition of experts.

stevevw said:
They are the ones who said it lol. Where do you think I got this. I have also been following this for years.

The other posters? I could believe that you take the worst of their ideas and layer on your own ignorance of American politics, culture, and history.

stevevw said:
I actually got caught in the first Iraqi war in Kwait.

Which is not America. (My HS classmates also got stuck fighting that war.)

stevevw said:
I think you underestimate my knowledge and experience.

But I do so I am more informed than you.

Than me wasn't the issue. It was your knowledge relative to the other conservative posters. I'd still put up their understanding of American reality over you any day of the week and twice on Sunday.

stevevw said:
Which is real.

Real or not, it is irrelevant to the thread and THAT was my point.

stevevw said:
There you go. You jump into my posts and don't even know what your complaining about. It was in response to the one sided moral claims about the Narco boats.

You were whingeing about anti-Christian bias related to criticism of Trump's policy/action which is rather silly as Trump is at best a nominal Christian. (And I understand the moral depravity of your position on narco boat killings.)

stevevw said:
I used those examples to show how they are bias and have no moral ground. You don;t need to know a detailed history of American politics or Trump to know this as its quite plain to see. Even the Australian commentators say the same.

Are the Aussie commentators really that bad? (or just the ones on the "Fox News" of Australia.) (I am well aware that Ruprect Murdock is Australia's worst crime against America.)

stevevw said:
They do when people are making bias moral claims. The perfect rebuff is to show how they have no moral ground to stand on and they have allowed the same and it was quite ok then. But not now because its Trump.

But how can you *know* what any poster's position on drone strikes by Obama or whatever was? You certainly don't know mine. Now please, let's go back to discussing the news item on the current sequence of drone strikes on drug boats off the coast of Venezuela

GloryToHisName · 2025-12-08T19:49:20-0600

BobRyan said:
Truly a novel reading of the chapter.
Thanks for helping me see how that suggestion unfolds.

Historically, figures like Irenaeus, Hippolytus, and later Protestant reformers emphasized the Messiah's coming within this single 490 year timeline.

Vs 25 "70 weeks have been cut off" is a reference to the fact that the Angel shows up in Dan 9 to give "an explanation of the vision previously written as Dan chapter 8. So then Dan 9 is a much needed help for Dan 8. At the end of chapter 8 Daniel complains that it is not explained.

Dan 9 verse 25 says in essence that the first 70 weeks (490 years ) of the 2300 year timeline in chapter 8, are devoted to details regarding the coming of the Messiah in the first century AD>

Thank you. I made some corrections I think are in important.

keras · 2025-12-08T19:43:18-0600

Jan001 said:
God hasn't made his view clear and decisive.

Actually; He has, but the understanding of it all is hidden to most. Daniel 12:10b

Jan001 said:
I don't think these passages should be understood in a literal manner.
The Holy Land is not large enough for billions of the righteous to physically live comfortably there

Never spiritualize anything that can literally be fulfilled.
The entire Holy Land is a huge area, - from the Nile to the Euphrates.

Dave... · 2025-12-08T19:40:39-0600

Cornelius in Acts 10 was a man known by God before he came to faith in Jesus Christ. You can see God taking that OT faith and as predestined, seeing it through to a NT faith in Jesus Christ. Just like with Lydia. That's what I believe Romans 9 is speaking of. They were already known by God, but predestined to come to faith in Jesus. All that the Father gives Me, I shall not lose one of them.

John 14:6-7 Jesus said to him, "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me. "If you had known Me, you would have known My Father also; and from now on you know Him and have seen Him.

John 10:27 My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me.

He *knew them*, before Pentecost, before they were indwelt with the Holy Spirit (John 14:16-17) Before the Promise of the Father was given (Luke 24:49, Acts 1:4) - Pentecost, before they were in Christ and born again (Ephesians 1:13-14, 1 Peter 1:3). OT believers were not even yet justified, except by promise (Romans 3:25).

Romans 8:29-30 For whom He foreknew, He also predestined to be conformed to the image of His Son, that He might be the firstborn among many brethren. Moreover whom He predestined, these He also called (John 10:27-28); whom He called, these He also justified (Romans 3:25); and whom He justified, these He also glorified.

Gene2memE · 2025-12-08T19:39:34-0600

Factotum said:
That was a very clever thing to do by Hegseth. When you consider our nation's negligent National Security and DoD objectives, 2021-'24.

Yep, you want your military lawyers bowing to the political tides and ideology of whoever happens to be in power at the time and not providing neutral, fact-based, politically-independent legal advice. Because that has no possibility whatsoever of boomeranging on anyone. And the people who are in power now are always going to be in power. So there will be no see-sawing of legal interpretations. And no consequences!

Michie · 2025-12-08T19:39:13-0600

Praying all is well and medication is provided in time.

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