Upvote
0
-
Starting today August 7th, 2024, in order to post in the Married Couples, Courting Couples, or Singles forums, you will not be allowed to post if you have your Marital status designated as private. Announcements will be made in the respective forums as well but please note that if yours is currently listed as Private, you will need to submit a ticket in the Support Area to have yours changed.
-
CF has always been a site that welcomes people from different backgrounds and beliefs to participate in discussion and even debate. That is the nature of its ministry. In view of recent events emotions are running very high. We need to remind people of some basic principles in debating on this site. We need to be civil when we express differences in opinion. No personal attacks. Avoid you, your statements. Don't characterize an entire political party with comparisons to Fascism or Communism or other extreme movements that committed atrocities. CF is not the place for broad brush or blanket statements about groups and political parties. Put the broad brushes and blankets away when you come to CF, better yet, put them in the incinerator. Debate had no place for them. We need to remember that people that commit acts of violence represent themselves or a small extreme faction.
Upvote
0
The Reality of Free Will
- By CoreyD
- Christian Scriptures
- 103 Replies
There was no contradiction... unless you mean they contradicted your wrong premises. That I would agree with.
All the terms used agreed in the proper context.
Why does it depend on the person?
Right is right and wrong is wrong, regardless of what a person knows, or has, isn't it.
It does not matter what subjective view you have.
If God gives you a command, and you disobey, you have done wrong... made the wrong choice.... regardless of what you think.
I understand that many persons, like yourself, have this idea.
Some people even believe that a perfect person cannot sin, and that is simply because they have the wrong concept of perfection.
Perfection is simply relative to the perfector.
In other words, it's perfect to the one who designed it, because it is made how he wants it.
You would hear a craftsman exclaim. "Perfect!" at one of his designs, and this is because it is just how he wanted it.
It does not mean it cannot break, or anything like that.
Similarly, the idea that free will means freedom from sin, dictates that free will is absolute perfection.
This is a mistaken view, since free will is relative to the one who requires an exercising of that will. It's not a freedom from.
This is your mistake, which I an trying to get you to see.
Here, take my $800.00 Van Heusen jacket. You are free to wear it.
Here are the keys to my brand new Mercedes Benz. You are free to drive it.
All of us are free to go jump off the highest cliff.
In all those cases, what are you free from?
When we limit word to one context, we can misunderstand their meaning.
Free will is not free from. It's free to. The God given gift to exercise one's freedom of choice without being forced.
Maybe that's what it's free from. force.
There you go.
You misplaced free will because of misunderstanding.
Please explain how you arrived at that being a will. Are you redefining will?
Okay, but that does not explain what you are saying.
If you are talking about perfection, I can see what you are saying, but free will is not perfection.
Perfection, and free will, or freedom of choice are far from equal.
Knowing good and evil was explained, to a degree, in the scriptures.
I'll return to this.
Many people think that as well.
Would you agree, what we think, is not really important, but what the scriptures teach, is?
How does knowing if something is wrong or right, depend on a serpent, death, and a false image of god?
???
Eve repeated what God said.
She, nor the scriptures do not say the reason both believed it was wrong to eat was because they would die.
That's something you think as well, isn't it?
Why did they hide?
Genesis 3:8 Now they heard the sound of the Lord God walking in the garden in the cool of the day, and the man and his wife hid themselves from the presence of the Lord God among the trees of the garden.
I'm only going by what the scriptures reveal, or teach.
Did the angel that became Satan the Devil want to disobey God?
The Bible's answer: John 8:44 Yes, he did.
Did Adam want to disobey God?
The Bible's answer: 1 Timothy 2:14 Yes, he did.
Do many people today want to disobey God?
The Bible's answer: Romans 1:28-32 Yes, they do.
Something I hope you will eventually come to learn about me, is that I go by what the Bible says. Not by what I think.
What I think, is not important, because "There is a way that seems right to a man, but its end is the way of death". Proverbs 14:12
I do not realize that, because it's not what the scriptures reveal.
While that's what you think, the disciple James says this:
"...a man is tempted, being drawn away and being enticed by the own desire." James 1:13
One of the things the scriptures reveal, is that God knows what's in the heart, and a thought, or desire that lingers there, is what develops into action.
Jesus said this, in agreement with his brother. Matthew 15:18-20
God knew what was in Eve's heart, before she went near the tree.
To think About...
Why did Eve not tell Adam anything, if she did not want to act on her own desires?
Adam was her head... was he not?
If she is so innocent, why is she not submissive to her head, but listens to a serpent who tells her to disobey something that her husband told her, or that God repeated in their presence?
Questions we can ask ourselves, lest we forget that unless we have all the facts, forming opinions can lead to wrong conclusions.
The serpent did not give Eve life. She came from Adam's rib, and Adam knew this, and no doubt, like we would, told her about this and the other magnificent things her maker did.
Why did she disobey God - her creator (not a serpent), if she did not want to?
Rebellion started in heaven, and continued on earth.
Psalm 78:17, 18
17 Yet they still continued to sin against Him, To rebel against the Most High in the desert.
18 And in their heart they put God to the test By asking food according to their desire.
He caused her... Do you mean, as in, "The Devil made me do it"?
You appear to be saying the woman did not have a choice in the matter, and could not exercise her freedom of choice... she had none.
Is that what you are saying?
Are you saying the knowledge of good and evil was in the fruit, and when they ate it, that knowledge gave them an ability?
So, when God said, “From any tree of the garden you may freely eat; but from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil you shall not eat, for on the day that you eat from it you will certainly die.”
You are saying Adam did not have a choice to eat from all the other trees instead of that one God commanded him not to. Is that correct?
Cool.
That sounds like something I can agree with.
In other words, Satan introduce the idea of independence from God... sort of like the kids will tells someone they want to join them, 'You don't have o listen to your dad. I do what I want. You can too." Peer pressure. ..and what does the wise kid do? Give in? No, he chooses to do otherwise.
Could Eve had decided otherwise?
"the capacity to disobey God is a valid freedom"?
Could you please rephrase that. I'm not making sense of it.
A realization. Thank you.
A realization of what?
Upvote
0
Upvote
0
Upvote
0
Upvote
0
Upvote
0
Upvote
0
Upvote
0
Full List of Democrats Who Voted Against Paying US Military During Shutdown
- By Ellesmere
1) Members of the US military may not be receiving a paycheck but those living on base or engaged in active duty around the world still have their food and shelter costs met by the federal government!
2) Network news is showing long lines of federal government employees literally waiting for hours to receive food from the "SUPPLEMENTAL NUTRITION ASSISTANCE Program" (SNAP)!
3) The SNAP program was intended to meet the needs of Americans living at or below the poverty line - this includes a disproportionate number of children, seniors and those with physical/mental disabilities!
- 45% of SNAP households have children
- 37% of SNAP households have seniors
- 44% of SNAP households have a person with a disability
4) At present, approximately 42 million American are dependent on SNAP - the Trump Administration', in its infinite wisdom, introduced its "BIG BEAUTIFUL BILL,," making this food program much more difficult to access in order to justify a 20% budget cut in funding that translates into a reduction of $186 billion through to 2034!
5) The net result is that 22.3 million families will lose part or all of their SNAP benefits - the Urban Institute estimates that 5.3 million of those families will lose an average of $146 in food support per month despite the rapid increases in prices due to inflation!
6) SNAP was never budgeted to meet the needs of federal government workers who are gainfully employed but currently not receiving a paycheck - this food program has exhausted its budget and is scheduled to close on November 1st unless Congress enacts legislation to provide additional funding!
7) The Republicans were well aware that their Democrat counterparts would refuse to support legislation that would only issue paychecks to select group(s) and not all federal government employees - they deliberately chose to exclude the majority and then accuse congressional Democrats of failing to support the nation's military!
8) The real question is why Republicans would arbitrarily divide federal employees into groups of "WINNERS"and "LOSERS" - given that all are deserving of receiving their paychecks in a timely manner and none, through no fault of their own, should be subjected to spending hours in long lines for a government sponsored food program intended for the nation's poorest citizens.
Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program - Wikipedia
Trump’s Administration: SNAP Benefits Slated to be Cut Off on November 1
1.9 million Illinoisans will lose food assistance on November 1 if the Trump administration and Congressional Republicans do not reopen federal government
idhs.prezly.com
Upvote
0
Upvote
0
Upvote
0
2,724 'potential noncitizens' registered to vote in Texas; review finds 33 may have voted in 2024
- By Yarddog
- General Politics
- 1 Replies
Potential? This means they have no proof that anything illegal actually occurred.More than 2,700 people flagged as potentially non-U.S. citizens are registered to vote in Texas, according to a review of the state's voter registration list and the U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services' (USCIS) database.
Secretary of State Jane Nelson announced Oct. 20. that at least 2,724 "potential noncitizens" were registered to vote after conducting a comprehensive review of its 18.4 million voter records using the federal Systematic Alien Verification for Entitlements (SAVE) database.
The review, one of the first of its kind in Texas, identified 33 potential noncitizens who may have voted illegally in the November 2024 election. Nelson said the cases have been referred to the Office of the Attorney General for investigation, as required by Texas election law. The list of potential noncitizen voters was sent last week to county voter registrars — elections administrators, county clerks or tax assessor-collectors — tasked with maintaining local voter rolls under Chapter 16 of the Texas Election Code.
Continued below.
2,724 'potential noncitizens' registered to vote in Texas; review finds 33 may have voted in 2024
More than 2,700 people flagged as potentially non-U S citizens are registered to vote in Texas, according to a review of the state s voter registration list and the U S Citizenship and Immigrationwww.christianpost.com
Upvote
0
