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PloverWing · 2025-12-10T19:13:25-0600

RamiC said:
So are political messages the norm in USA churches?

No, but sometimes issues of ethics intersect with issues of faith, and issues of public policy can in turn intersect with issues of ethics. The church shouldn't be saying "elect Joe Smith for Senate", but the church might be called to say "this government policy is unjust". It's not always an easy line to draw.

Hentenza · 2025-12-10T19:12:14-0600

CLEEB said:
What if you worship the Lord 7 days a week ?

Yep. I do, however, the SDA considers the 4th commandment to be a moral commandment. This means that those going to services on Sunday are sinning and if they don’t repent then they are lost. Quite the legalism.

BPPLEE · 2025-12-10T19:12:05-0600

Hans Blaster said:
It has been a long time since I practiced law in the castra at Vetera. I might be a bit rusty.

Were they? That is 90% of my point/criticism. According to Matthew they were fleeing to Egypt from Harod the Great. Harod was a client king and his kingdom was not "occupied" (as the pastor claimed) and certainly not a province.

Luke is even a bigger problem for the pastors claim. In his version, Harod is dead for about 10 years and there is not massacre and no flight. (Though at least Bethlehem was in Roman Judea, a province like Egypt. Nazareth was not, so there was no jurisdiction of Quirinius over Joseph to count him in census at Bethlehem or elsewhere.)

I’m confused.
Luk 2:1 - Now in those days a decree went out from Caesar Augustus to register all the empire for taxes.
Luk 2:2 - This was the first registration, taken when Quirinius was governor of Syria.
Luk 2:3 - Everyone went to his own town to be registered.
Luk 2:4 - So Joseph also went up from the town of Nazareth in Galilee to Judea, to the city of David called Bethlehem, because he was of the house and family line of David.
Luk 2:5 - He went to be registered with Mary, who was promised in marriage to him, and who was expecting a child.

Ivan Hlavanda · 2025-12-10T19:08:42-0600

Yarddog said:
I haven't heard of a metaphorical Adam but there is a deeper meaning of Adam than the literal. It's allegorical.

What then, were the authors of Genesis 2-3 and of Romans 5, who both speak of Adam, intending to convey? Genesis 2-3 does not show any of signs of “exalted prose narrative” or poetry. It reads as the account of real events; it looks like history.

timothyu · 2025-12-10T19:00:50-0600

narnia59 said:
Do you think Adam and Eve were bound to fall?

Yes or God wouldn't have given them a command

Oompa Loompa · 2025-12-10T18:59:03-0600

Yarddog said:
criminals

Terrorist enemy combatants

Jipsah · 2025-12-10T18:52:54-0600

Tom8907 said:
He does not appear to comprehend the seriousness of sin.

How big a sin does it require to make God turn into a merciless, implacable monster?

zoidar · 2025-12-10T18:51:57-0600

Dikaioumenoi said:
Respectfully, if all you are doing is copying my words into ChatGPT and pasting the output, I will not continue to engage. That approach is disrespectful. I am taking the time to offer careful, reasoned responses, and you are outsourcing the work to an AI and presenting it as a substantive objection. That is not argumentation; it is merely being argumentative. If you lack the Greek to respond yourself, either defer to someone who does or offer a different, thoughtful objection. Don't copy-paste something just to have something to say.

Past examples in this and other of our discussions have shown that ChatGPT outputs are only partially accurate, especially when it isn't given the full context. I've also shown that you often don't understand what you're even sharing. Once, for example, you pasted a response agreeing with a point I made, and missed it entirely, thinking ChatGPT was objecting to what I said. I will treat further ChatGPT copy-paste jobs as concessions. I will not read them.

What your latest copy-paste job also shows is you are missing the substance of my argument (which, again, invites the question, what prompt did you give ChatGPT?). I have never claimed that διδακτοὶ θεοῦ, as a grammatical form, by itself necessitates monergism. Adjectives do not encode causal mechanics. My point is that, in John 6:44-45, the syntax and discourse logic, especially in light of the Isaiah citation, demonstrates that διδακτοὶ θεοῦ describes the result of God's sovereign action, not the mere offering of instruction. It is a predicate adjective of state, reflecting a completed, effectual divine act.

The question is not what the adjective can mean in isolation, but what it denotes in context. The text presents a causal and logical sequence: those who are drawn (ἑλκύσῃ) are "God-taught" (διδακτοὶ θεοῦ) and thereby possess the capacity to come. This is not contingent or optional; the state described is the effect of God's action, enabling coming to Christ.

Moreover, the aorist participles ἀκούσας … καὶ μαθών ("who has heard and learned") indicate antecedent action. They describe those who come as already having heard and learned form the Father, precisely what "being God-taught" entails.

I copied my whole previous post and your whole previous post and asked the ChatGPT if you were right.

Now it does not sound like you argue against me previous statement: "The text does not explain why they listen and learn, why they are God-taught. It simply presents these as qualities of those whom God draws."

DreamyLaLa · 2025-12-10T18:42:16-0600

I thought I'd blow the dust off this thread and post here again since it has been almost a year!

To celebrate Christmas season, I thought I'd share a design of mine that was originally made for a calendar that I gave as a gift to my sister last Christmas. It features my two characters, Vanille and Lacage, wearing wintry outfits and holding a plum pudding cake. I drew the characters myself, but the background was designed using Canva, a graphic design program.

Jipsah · 2025-12-10T18:37:46-0600

walter45 said:
Aramaic Bible in Plain English
Matthew 22:36-40
“Teacher, which commandment in The Written Law is the greatest?” 37 Yeshua said to him, “You shall love THE LORD JEHOVAH your God from all your heart and from all your soul and from all your power and from all your mind.” 38 “This is the great and the first commandment.” 39 “And the second which is like it is, 'You shall love your neighbor as yourself.' 40 On these two commands depend all The Written Law and The Prophets.”

What bearing does that have on AI?

Hentenza · 2025-12-10T18:32:42-0600

Bro.T said:
The reference point for Christians is the Bible, the revelation of God to mankind and source book for God's commands to us, known as the divine Law. God's laws are holy and the commandment holy, and just, and good. (Romans:7:12). They are the instructions for the way we should conduct our lives. Yet throughout history we see people trying to side-step the laws of God. Even today many Christian churches do not place as much emphasis on observing God's law as they do on ‘love’. But the fact is, we need both!

Jesus the Lawgiver

The apostle John, (1John: 4:20) If a man say, I love God, and hateth his brother, he is a liar: for he that loveth not his brother whom he hath seen, how can he love God whom he hath not seen? As we can see, God condemns those who claim to love Him while they hate their brothers. Again in, (1John:3:14) it states We know that we have passed from death unto life, because we love the brethren. We need to seriously take this to heart especially in these days when we see communities dividing into factions.

Concerning the observance of the Law we find the following, (1John: 2:4) He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. How can anyone claim to know God yet teach that it is not necessary to obey His laws?

Nothing but legalism here. No grace and salvation by the works of the law.

ThatRobGuy · 2025-12-10T18:32:23-0600

durangodawood said:
They are the minority and dont set any committee agendas. Cant subpoena. Etc Etc..

Basically they cant use any of the investigative power of the institution.

Right, but when they did have that power the last time, they flubbed it.

So my question remains, what will be different about the 120th congress compared to the 116th congress?

prodromos · 2025-12-10T18:31:32-0600

jonojim1337 said:
Any high res photo will do it has at least some bumps here and there and isn’t perfectly round.

The Moon

On this page, you will find a selection of some of my images of our Moon. Color-Full Moon The time of the full moon is definitely one of my favorite time to photograph the Moon. While it is general…

hdr-astrophotography.com

I had a look at a few of them. No jagged edges, especially when you zoom in.

jonojim1337 said:
Bollocks.

That is what you are full of.

Dan Perez · 2025-12-10T18:31:32-0600

d taylor said:
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The only one that gives eternal life to people. Which is to believe in Jesus for Eternal Life, God's free gift.

And GLAD to see you AND I LOVE when all would give a verse for your belief. and always GLAD to exchange

anyone. POSOITIONS. and as you know that I always GIVE. with the GREEK WORD and tying to explain what the TENSE
CASES so that everyone will see that I have NOT ADDED or . TALKEN AWAY. from. any verse and any one will. see that OLD

COVEMNANT has been TAKEN AWAY. and Heb 9:18. says that the blood of ANIMAL does not take AWAY TAKE. AWAY
SIN. and that ONLY the JESUS BLOOD. can take away sin. to be SAVED and remember EPH 1:3 CHOSEN

IN. him. BEFORE // PRO the OVER THROW. of the WORLD. !!

And. if. the NEW COVENANT for today , no one has yet explained how anyone is saved by the NEW COVENANT. !!

dan p

ThatRobGuy · 2025-12-10T18:28:09-0600

FAITH-IN-HIM said:
You are correct; it would be appropriate to conclude this discussion, as my understanding is not based solely on information from media or conversations with few individuals who have converted from Islam to Christianity. Rather, I have firsthand experience living among Muslims in a majority-Muslim country.

My perspective comes from firsthand experience living and working among Muslims in majority-Muslim countries. Since I was 17, I have regularly traveled there to minister, share the gospel, and support mission schools, charities, and hospitals. Therefore, I believe this discussion should end, as my insights are not based on secondhand information like yours!

That's where things like polling data, stats, and overall outcomes need to be given the proper weight in discussions instead of just anecdotes.

Personal anecdotes can be used to amplify or downplay themes and narratives.

I've personally been to East Cleveland easily hundreds of times, and haven't been shot while I was there. That doesn't negate the reality that there's a problem of gun violence in East Cleveland that's way higher than out in the burbs. (People who have been, or have a relative who has been would probably have a much stronger narrative in the opposite direction)

Polling & aggregated statistics would indicate that there are some problems that are largely unique to Islam, as well as other problems that while aren't unique to Islam, exist to a much higher degree in Islam. That trumps individual anecdotes (going in either direction)

"I lived in an Islam-majority country, and never had any problems...therefore, all of the complaints are just hype" is reminiscent of "My grandpa smoked 2 packs a day, and lived to be 82 and never got cancer...therefore, all of the anti-smoking stuff is just hype"

prodromos · 2025-12-10T18:26:29-0600

Actually, just confirmed it is Monastiraki Square in Athens.

Akita Suggagaki · 2025-12-10T18:13:17-0600

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St_Worm2 · 2025-12-10T18:10:46-0600

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Yarddog · 2025-12-10T18:07:44-0600

Valletta said:
Trump says U.S. seized an oil tanker off Venezuela’s coast

President Trump said the U.S. military seized an oil tanker off Venezuela’s coast as his administration escalates action in the region.

www.washingtontimes.com

We can't let Venezuela ship oil to Russia or any other country with an international ban.

Glad to see them doing it without killing anyone.

Bro.T · 2025-12-10T18:06:25-0600

The reference point for Christians is the Bible, the revelation of God to mankind and source book for God's commands to us, known as the divine Law. God's laws are holy and the commandment holy, and just, and good. (Romans:7:12). They are the instructions for the way we should conduct our lives. Yet throughout history we see people trying to side-step the laws of God. Even today many Christian churches do not place as much emphasis on observing God's law as they do on ‘love’. But the fact is, we need both!

Jesus the Lawgiver

The apostle John, (1John: 4:20) If a man say, I love God, and hateth his brother, he is a liar: for he that loveth not his brother whom he hath seen, how can he love God whom he hath not seen? As we can see, God condemns those who claim to love Him while they hate their brothers. Again in, (1John:3:14) it states We know that we have passed from death unto life, because we love the brethren. We need to seriously take this to heart especially in these days when we see communities dividing into factions.

Concerning the observance of the Law we find the following, (1John: 2:4) He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. How can anyone claim to know God yet teach that it is not necessary to obey His laws?

Michie · 2025-12-10T17:52:13-0600

Texas Gov. Greg Abbott says hundreds of schools across the state are ready to host chapters of Turning Point USA's (TPUSA) high school program, which promotes conservative values for young people.

At a news conference Monday at the Governor's Mansion, Abbott highlighted the need for programs like Club America, the high school arm of TPUSA, the conservative youth organization founded in 2012 by activist Charlie Kirk, who was assassinated in September during an event on a Utah college campus.

Joined by Lt. Gov. Dan Patrick, TPUSA Senior Director Josh Thifault, Texas Education Agency (TEA) Commissioner Mike Morath and other officials, Abbott announced that more than 500 high schools in Texas already host Club America chapters, including dozens in North Texas, and touted the state as having the most such chapters nationwide.

Continued below.

Turning Point USA launches chapters at over 500 high schools in Texas, governor says

Texas Gov Greg Abbott says hundreds of schools across the state are ready to host chapters of Turning Point USA s high school program, which promotes conservative values for young people

www.christianpost.com

The Barbarian · 2025-12-10T17:41:17-0600

Trump Personally Intervenes to Block Release of January 6 Documents

Donald Trump is blocking access in a lawsuit brought by police officers injured in the January 6 riot.

The Department of Justice has confirmed that President Donald Trump blocked the release of more than 4,100 documents related to the deadly riot on January 6.

In a court filing Monday night, lawyers for the DOJ revealed that Trump had stepped in to prevent the release of some material requested as part of a lawsuit brought by police officers injured by violent rioters at the U.S. Capitol. The materials were originally subpoenaed from the National Archives and Records Administration in February.

Trump Personally Intervenes to Block Release of January 6 Documents

Donald Trump is blocking access in a lawsuit brought by police officers injured in the January 6 riot.

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