Oompa Loompa said:

At least you went from, "There is no proof," to "maybe there is no proof." Progress has been made.

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I am saying rather than you claiming there is DOJ proof and the are not providing, "maybe" you should consider there is no proof at all.
The claim was looked at by Minnesota Auditors. They found nothing. When they asked the claimants for proof, they did not provide any.
Meaning, there is no proof of claims made by the article authors. Post #45

A2SG said:

Trump hates Mithras?

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Sorry, typo "Whose."

Hentenza said:

The only people that remain under the law is unbelieving Israel, as they rejected the Messiah, and those who choose to remain under the law.

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Hi Hentenza, your post is great. I do have one question. Jesus said He came to fulfill the old covenant Law. How then does mankind have a choice to serve under a covenant that Jesus came to bring to an end? It seems to me all mankind is under the new and better covenant Jesus shed blood ratified.

iluvatar5150 said:

If you cut out the Arabic, that sounds a lot like hundreds (maybe thousands?) of evangelical services I've heard.

If you add the Arabic back in, it sounds exactly like basically every charismatic service I've heard, with their faux-Arabic "speaking in tongues."

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Look! A red herring!

stevevw said:

They say for every boat stopped full of drugs headed to the US saves around 20,000 Americans from drug addiction and overdoses. There have been around a million drug death overdoses in the last 25 years. Which is more deaths than in all the major wars of the 20th century.

Musk has a good take on this and I tend to agree.

Most People Don't Realize What Trump's Venezuela Move Really Means - Until Now! | Elon Musk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ksuP9MO6oLs

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Cool.

People accused of drug trafficking still deserve a day in court.

The United States armed forces are seeing a rise in religious sentiment even as mainstream culture becomes more secular, according to a recent statistical analysis.

Ryan Burge, a professor of practice at the John C. Danforth Center at Washington University in St. Louis, Missouri, posted an article on his popular Substack page, Graphs About Religion, in which he analyzed data from the Cooperative Election Study, noting that the number of active-duty military personnel who attend church at least once a week has increased in recent years.

The number of military personnel who attended church weekly has increased from 21% in 2010-2012 to 28% in 2022-2024. Those who attended more than once a week increased from 15% in 2010-2012 to 17% in 2022-2024. In total, 45% of military respondents surveyed in 2022-2024 attended at least weekly.

During the same period, the number of surveyed civilians who attended church weekly stayed at 16%, while those who attended more than once a week declined from 9% in 2010-2012 to 7% in 2022-2024. In total, 23% of civilian respondents surveyed in 2022-2024 attended at least weekly.

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Valletta said:

"The Sixsmiths of this world are not at all angry about the mass killings and the mass burnings of unborn babies going on today right before our eyes. No, they are too busy fabricating stories about nuns sexually assaulting young women, stealing their kids, and dumping their bodies in septic tanks. It tells us a great deal about the current state of anti-Catholicism that such bull is not only accepted, it is welcomed as affirmation of the venality of the Catholic Church."

DEBUNKING THE "MASS GRAVE" STORY - Catholic League

To read Donohue's full account of this story, see the "Special Reports" section on the Catholic League's website.

www.catholicleague.org

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I'm not saying you are wrong, but you are *definitely* going to need a better source than Bill Donahue's one man crusade for the defense of Holy Mother Church (aka, the "Catholic League"). Last I saw he was still denying that priests sexually abused children.

godisagardener said:

I'm working on the book slowly but surely. It's BIG! So far it's good. But I've been reading several others that are hard to put down.

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I DID notice that the book is big! I don't normally take on books that big ... so I admire you for the challenge you've taken on! lol

I'm an avid reader ... I've got way too many books around my house! (though Kindle helps lighten the load! lol). My pattern is also to be reading several books at one time. At times, I seem to get into a sort of 'learning curve' with books ... starting off intentionally on one path, and then finding myself veering off to another, and then maybe another, etc. ... with God somehow bringing together what I was meant to learn! Occasionally, there is that completely captivating book that I'll read thru in days ... I love when one captures my steady interest that way!

godisagardener said:

Thanks for the kind thoughts. I've been somewhat absent from the forum, checking in but not posting. Some health issues (nothing serious), some church issues that have really had me questioning the state of today's churches . One of our cats passed away. Just life things I guess.

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Sounds like you've had alot going on! ("Hangest thou in there!" )

I'm very sorry to hear about your cat. I'm a cat person myself. Breaks my heart every time one passes over the Rainbow Bridge. So sorry for your loss.

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Hope you're doing well. I'll give an update on the book later this week.

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I'm doing well here, always busy it seems with things around the house ... like snow shoveling today! I'm not wild about snow, but snow does make it seem more like Christmas is coming soon!

I read where Jordan Peterson has been very ill these past months ... like pneumonia and sepsis? When we go thru very difficult times, it can suddenly turn our focus more towards God. Maybe his illness will affect him in this way, too.

An attorney representing New Jersey before the U.S. Supreme Court has admitted that a pro-life pregnancy care center the state subpoenaed had no complaints leveled against it.

The Supreme Court heard arguments on Tuesday morning in the case of First Choice Women's Resource Centers, Inc. v. Matthew J. Platkin, Attorney General of New Jersey.

At issue was whether New Jersey Attorney General Matt Platkin could require First Choice, a pro-life center network, to disclose its donor lists and donors' information under threat of legal penalties.

Sundeep Iyer, chief counsel to the New Jersey attorney general, argued the case on behalf of the state. He argued that the subpoena did not violate First Choice's First Amendment rights.

During the proceedings, Justice Clarence Thomas asked Iyer if he had “complaints that formed the basis of your concern about the fundraising activities” of First Choice.

When Iyer replied that “we certainly had complaints about crisis pregnancy centers,” Thomas interjected to ask if he had had complaints about First Choice specifically.

“So, I think we’ve been clear from the outset that we haven’t had complaints about this specific crisis pregnancy center,” Iyer responded.

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Father God, please surround this dear person with your Presence, give them great peace that You are working, let them see glimpses of You at work, and instil them with joy in the depths of their soul. Please strengthen them and lift their spirits I pray in the Mighty Name of Jesus.

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But that doesn't mean it's polite and respectful to refer to them by a gender they'd rather not have.

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Who cares about being polite and respectful regarding this topic? I have the intellectual integrity to tell the emperor he is naked while you are content with him walking around like a fool to spare his feelings.

Hentenza said:

This verse seems to back up your theory, however, only if you define apollumi as destroy completely

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I define it as we see in Jude 1 and 2 Peter 2, destroy as in "reduce to ashes"

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rather than ruined or lost which are all correct definitions. For example, apollumi is used to describe the condition of wine skins

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hell is never compared to wine skins

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“And the devil who deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are also; and they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.”
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Revelation 20:10 And the devil who deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are also; and they will be tormented day and night forever and ever. | New American Standard Bible - NASB (NASB2020

And the devil who deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are also; and they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.

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said of the devil not said of humans
only to find that same devil "turned to ashes" on Earth and then it is said 'you will cease to be"

VERSAILLES, France — A long-lost painting by Baroque master Peter Paul Rubens, which was hidden for more than four centuries, sold at 2.3 million euros ($2.7 million) at an auction Sunday in Versailles.

The painting was recently found in a private townhouse in Paris. It depicts the crucifixion of Jesus Christ.



It was part of a French collection and was initially thought to be from one of the many Rubens workshops that existed at the time. The artwork was rarely valued at more than 10,000 euros ($11,500).

“I immediately had a hunch about this painting, and I did everything I could to try to have it authenticated,” auctioneer Jean-Pierre Osenat told The Associated Press. “And finally, we managed to have it authenticated by the Rubenianum, which is the Rubens committee in Antwerp.”

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Servus said:

It doesn't jive with all the fear mongering there is regarding the administration.

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IT actually jives, LITERALLY perfectly.

Boligno saying "Truth is for Chumps" is EXACTLY what his critics would expect him to say.

"Culture of mistrust"...no big surprise there. They tweet their policies before they tell their departments.


Nothing they wrote about speaks to competent leadership; so it jives perfectly.

Part Ib opens with our discussion using abortion as an example...

stevevw said:

But this was a well founded assumption by the fact that abortions increased with the breakdown of the insitution of marriage. You do realise that for the church and Christian ethics that any sex outside marriage is a sin, is being promiscuous. That is the extent of how these two positions are conflicting.

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I think you are confusing the correlation with causation. Legalization of birth control, abortion, and easier divorce all occurs in the US in a narrow window starting in the mid-1960s. I am well aware The Church (of Rome) consideres sex outside marriage to be a sin and abortion to be murder. I have heard many a homily on the subjects. That was not the point I was addressing. Rather I was addressing the false assumption that women having abortions are unmarried and not in relationships. This is not the case, then or now. Churches push this false impression all the time. Both birth control and abortions are used by married women because they don't want another child or one at the current time. Since these things have occurred, unwanted pregnancy rates are down, abortion rates have fallen and so have divorce rates. (I suspect domestic violence is also down, but I don't have recollections of reading those statistics.)

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Why is saying abortion is baby killing as being wrong.

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That's not what I said. I mentioned that "baby killing" was the other primary bit of propaganda used by anti-abortion Christians.

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Its the exact truth of what abortion represents to biblical Christians.

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What are non-biblical Christians? If that's the kind that never read the bible, then we were definitely them.

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Now some churches may have used the wrong language and politicised this truth. But its a biblical truth that abortion is murder.

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While churches certainly hold the position that "abortion is murder" that concept does not appear in any passage of the Bible. It is constructed by stacking conclusions upon on conclusions through theology. (That's they way theology is done it seems.) Other groups using the same sacred texts do not reach the same conclusions.

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I think this is conflating all 'Revolutions' as Chinas communist revolution. Giving new meaning or rather your meaning to the word 'Revolution'.

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No. Again, you didn't read carefully. You used two terms straight from Mao's revolution: "The Long March" and the "Cultural Revolution". Both are well known epoch in Chinese communist history and neither was relevant to your discussion from why I could tell, so I was trying to figure out why you kept using CCP terminology.

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This all sounds like the very complaints the ideologues of the social revolutions are complaining about.

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Probably because I happen to thing the outcomes of the "sexual revolution" were good things.

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It doesn't matter.. We were Christian nations and not Muslims or pagans ect.

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The US was not a "Christian nation", then or ever, nor was it "Muslim" or "pagan". It was and is *secular*. (your country may be different, but I am not prepared or inclined to discuss your country.)

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The bible was part of our fabric

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In your house, perhaps, not in mine.

stevevw said:

so we knew the bibles position on abortion and when we did toy with laws they were never pro abortion.

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Covered above

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Even social norms were anti abortion as it was hidden and tabood.

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and built in part on false premises

stevevw said:

The same with sex outside marriage and homosexuality.

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As I noted above, I agree with less influence of moralistic Christianity on sex and marriage.

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The changes in the 20th century and especially the later part and into the 21st are profoundly different and this is conflicting with those long held norms.

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This is an ongoing conflation of the mores of the 1950s with all periods before then. It just wasn't the case.

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The fact we have all these culture wars over this and the same biblical/Christian norms are being used in defense against the progressive norms is evidence for this.

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Nah, it's just evidence for an strongly anti-modernist strain of Christianity.

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Once again an extreme claim that requires strong evidence for which you have not shown.

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An extreme claim! LOL! It is a literal fact that "laws" and "social norms" are not the same things.

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The fact that the political has become the personal means that the policies and laws are very much intertwined with social norms.

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Not sure what that means.

stevevw said:

Man you sure make some far out claims without any reasoning or support. Even the claim "Christianity is just" seems dismissive.

Christianity is so much more than just a variant of Judaism.

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I suggest you learn more of the early history of your relgion then. In the early decades what we now call Christianity (sometimes called in these contexts the "Jesus movement" or "The Way") was a sect of Judaism. Importantly for my point in inclusion is that Judaism is from outside western culture.

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Are you kidding lol. Surely this is the view of someone who is not a Christian lol.

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I am not kidding and do you really need to ask? (I know you know.)

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If Christianity came from say Roman philosophy and belief then why did the Romans persecute the Christians and want them to bow to their pagan gods.

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It didn't and no one said it did. Certainly not me. What I said is that the things from ancient western culture that *I* find most valuable or important are most certainly not Christian -- democracy, mathematics, the early stages of science, as is the case for the best things of the Enlightenment.

Finally the Romans were quite tolerant of other religions, but the did expect everyone to make the appropriate supplications to the civic and imperial cult. Jews (including Christians) being by then monotheists refused to do so and this cause some trouble.

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Why did their norms of sex outside marriage and for men to take lovers and prostitution ect conflict with Christian beliefs.
This is a bias view and one that wants to deny the massive influence God, Christ and the bible has had on humankind. Deminishing it to the same or even less than other beliefs and morals.

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Roman philosophers wrote on sexual morality and family without any input from Christianity. This is reality, not some "bias view".

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Christian ethics revolutionised Roman philophy at the time with social norms like all are equal slave and free, man and women and marriage and sex within marriage.

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"neither slave nor free" was about salvation through the death of Jesus -- anyone could be saved. It didn't change actual social status of anyone, slave, woman, or Jew.

stevevw said:

But why was the west the best baby. Unlike Muslim or communist nations. Why was the west the best.

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You're going to ask Mr. Morrison for that. Perhaps it was ironic "best"ness given that in the same song he sings of wanting to kill his own mother.

We're going to need a part Ic as I have other things to do...

Valletta said:

While the labor market has slowed, remember inflation is down

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Inflation is right where Trump inherited it. The end of Bidenomics dropped it lower early in Trump's term, but now that Trump's policies have taken effect, it's climbed back up to where it started.

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Why would one compare these two events? In Acts 9, the event occurs on the road to Damascus during Paul's conversion to Christianity, while the account in Acts 22 takes place 23 years later in Jerusalem.

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Hmmm. Better read again. They are talking about the same event.

As also the high priest doth bear me witness, and all the estate of the elders: from whom also I received letters unto the brethren, and journeyed to Damascus to bring them also that were there unto Jerusalem in bonds to be punished.
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And it came to pass, that, as I made my journey, and drew nigh unto Damascus, about noon, suddenly there shone from heaven a great light round about me.
Acts 22 : 6

And I fell unto the ground, and heard a voice saying unto me, Saul, Saul, why persecutest thou me?
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And I answered, Who art thou, Lord? And he said unto me, I am Jesus of Nazareth, whom thou persecutest.
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And they that were with me beheld indeed the light, but they heard not the voice of him that spake to me.
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These are speaking of the same event, Paul's conversion. Both written by Luke, in Acts.

A Christian preacher in the United Kingdom who was arrested for saying “God bless you” to protesters at a pro-Palestinian demonstration now plans to sue Wiltshire Police, arguing officers have repeatedly violated his freedom of speech.


Shaun O’Sullivan, who preaches at the Awaken church in Swindon and often speaks to homeless individuals and addicts on the streets, says police have a “vendetta” against him. He has been arrested 16 times, yet none of the charges have resulted in a conviction. A jury unanimously dismissed the most recent case in just 90 minutes, according to the Daily Mail.

The incident occurred after he said, “God bless you,” which reportedly offended Muslims at the march. He had previously been accused of harassment for saying, “Pray for the Jews and pray for the Palestinians.” After the most recent remark, a female officer told him the phrase could be a crime “if it causes distress” and said that “if that person was a Muslim,” they may be distressed.


Under Section 5 of the Public Order Act, a person commits an offense if they use “threatening or abusive words or behaviour, or disorderly behaviour…within the hearing or sight of a person likely to be caused harassment, alarm or distress thereby."

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The New Testament Begins in Acts Not Matthew​

When you read the Gospels in the Bible, such as Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John, do they sometimes seem to contradict other parts of the New Testament Scripture? For example, in Matthew 6:15, Jesus said, “If you refuse to forgive others, your Father will not forgive your sins.” Yet, in Colossians 2:13, the Apostle Paul wrote, “…God made you alive with Christ. He forgave us all our sins.” How can there be two different perspectives written in the same New Testament?

Many Christians experience confusion because they think all of Jesus’ teachings are part of the New Testament, also known as the “New Covenant.” However most of them are not. The New Testament, which is God’s New Covenant with mankind, actually starts in the book of Acts, not Matthew. How do we know this fact is true?

When reading the New Testament, ask yourself this question, “Had Jesus died yet when this was written?” If not, then those writings are part of the Old Covenant in most cases. If the writings are after Jesus died, then it’s part of the New Covenant.

When Jesus came to earth, He came directly to the Jews who were still under the Old Covenant with God. Want the gist of the Old Covenant? Deuteronomy 28 spells it out very clearly. If Israel obeyed God’s laws, there were 12 verses of blessings He would give them (see Deuteronomy 28:1-14). But, if Israel disobeyed God’s laws, there were 52 verses of curses He would give them. (see Deuteronomy 28:15-68).

Would you want to live in that kind of tension-filled relationship with God? No way! Unfortunately, many Christians today believe that is still how God treats them, even though we are under the New Covenant of grace. Therefore, Christianity feels more like a burden, instead of a blessing.

Many of the things that Jesus taught in the Gospels was Old Covenant instruction to the Jews of His day. When He taught them, He was raising the bar of how perfect they needed to be accepted and blessed by God. Here are some examples:

• “Unless you are more righteous than the strictest religious leaders in Jesus’s day, the Scribes and the Pharisees, you will not go to heaven.” (Matthew 5:20)
• “Calling someone an idiot or crazy because you are angry with them will send you to hell.” (Matthew 5:22)
• “Lust is adultery.” (Matthew 5:27-28)
• “You must live a perfect life exactly the way God does.” (Matthew 5:48)

These performance-based teachings were aimed to show the Jews and anyone who reads the Bible today that it’s impossible to get God’s unconditional acceptance by obeying the law. Jesus was preparing people to understand how much they needed Him to be their Savior.

God was about to bring into existence the New Covenant, and Jesus was preparing them and everyone else for it. But, here’s the key. The New Covenant did not begin until Jesus’ death, burial, resurrection, and ascension were complete. For instance, Hebrews 9:15 says:

“For this reason Christ is the mediator of a New Covenant, that those who are called may receive the promised eternal inheritance—now that He has died as a ransom to set them free from the sins committed under the Old Covenant.”

Remember Jesus’ teachings we just listed from the book of Matthew? Let’s compare what the New Covenant says about you as a Christ follower:

• God has already forgiven you whether you forgive or not. (Colossians 2:13)
• God made you perfect in your identity in Christ. (Hebrews 10:14)
• God made you a holy person and not a lustful person in Christ. (1 Corinthians 1:2)
• God made you a patient person because you’re complete in Christ. (Colossians 2:10)

The Old Covenant was conditional based on mankind’s imperfect works. The New Covenant is conditional based on faith in Jesus’ perfect work. Do you see the amazing difference?

Read the New Testament with a lot more clarity now that you know the New Testament starts in Acts, rather than Matthew!

The New Testament Begins in Acts Not Matthew​

Lady Bug said:

Yup, the fact that I already knew this before making this post, makes me perplexed that this applies to me, too.

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I don't know that this will be of any consolation to you, but some of the greatest artists, composers, musicians, actors, comedians, etc. ... and yes, even saints! ... endured thru their own personal challenges, while God chose to work thru their lives to be a blessing to others.

I imagine you may have gone to the formation courses for what you hoped you might find there for yourself, but sounds like God did use your presence there ... and one aspect of your personality (humor) ... to also be a blessing to others!

You are in a major time of life transition right now. Former domestic responsibilities have been lifted; you now have opportunity to more freely explore life. Moving forward, trusting God, this can very much be a 'blossoming' time for you ... and especially as you continue to connect with others. Many of our gifts and talents don't really surface, until we are in connection with others.

I'm very glad to hear the course went well for you all, as it sounds like it did.

Go here to read the story. My guess is that Maduro has maybe 48-72 hours to flee into exile before Trump acts. We shall see.

Trump Told Maduro He Needs to Flee or Die in Phone Call

The image of GOD. GOD is not flesh and blood, GOD is spirit. All humans have a human spirit and this is how we are in GODS image. GOD wants to make the spirits of just men perfect. GOD created an image of HIMSELF in Jesus. This is not the omnipresent, omnipotent or omniscient, it’s love and righteousness. This was Jesus Christ. We are to be transformed into the image of Jesus who was the image of GOD. IF Jesus was GOD then are we going to be GOD ? Isaiah 43:10 No, we are going to be like Jesus, love and righteousness without the Omni attributes. Only GOD has the omnis. This is part of what makes him GOD. As far as the body, soul and spirit theory; a human is a soul composed of two things body and spirit. Look at how Adam was created, Adam became a living, not immortal, soul. We are all souls composed of dust and breath or body and spirit. So the three “parts” of a human to be the image of the trinity is a lie. There is only one being who is GOD, the GOD and FATHER of our Lord Jesus Christ. Check out this phrase in scripture, it is repeated numerous times. Then, for unto us there is but one GOD. Take note that many times the Holy Spirit is not included with the FATHER and Jesus. The throne of GOD and the throne of the Lamb, two thrones only , what about the throne for the Holy Spirit ? The truth is that the FATHER is the Holy Spirit. If the trinity was true and GOD did become a man that would have been all through the pages of scripture as it would have been made very clear. Why did it require a council almost 300 years later to declare Jesus was GOD. How could something like that be forgotten ? When Jesus asked Peter, “who do you say that I am ?” Why didn’t Peter say you are GOD, the second member of the trinity ? There are scriptures used by trinitarians to “prove” the trinity but they are either grossly misunderstood or very poor translations. When Jesus said he was one with his FATHER trinitarians jump on this without reading John 17. We are to be one with GOD and Jesus, obviously the meaning of the word “one” has been misunderstood. There are many scriptures on various topics that have been incorrectly interpreted thus causing false doctrine. Jesus called the FATHER the one true GOD, John 17:3 Jesus said many times that he had a GOD. How can a flesh and blood human like Jesus be fully GOD and fully man at the same time, was Jesus omnipresent, omnipotent or omniscient ? It would be impossible. You would think that Satan would recognize GOD wouldn’t you ? Why would Satan try to tempt GOD. Yet Satan did try to tempt Jesus. When you examine scripture ask a lot of questions; who, what, when, where, how and why then ask GOD to give you the answers not some man.

What a reaction!

Israeli National Security Minister Itamar Ben-Gvir on Monday rejected Pope Leo XIV’s call for a Palestinian state to be established in Judea, Samaria and the Gaza Strip.


“Our Torah says that the solution is one state: a Jewish state,” Ben-Gvir told JNS, speaking at the weekly faction meeting of his Otzma Yehudit Party at the Knesset.


“That’s what our Torah says. And I believe in the Torah of Israel. This is what we believe,” the senior minister said, urging Leo to focus on “other matters.”

Always in His Presence said:

Yes please - not just the twelve

God healed the sick through them - according to God's will. Not something they could turn on or off.

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Hello Always! Good to hear from you. I hope you're doing well today.

For example all those on whom Peter's shadow fell were healed:

Acts 5:14-16 As a result, people brought the sick into the streets and laid them on beds and mats so that at least Peter’s shadow might fall on some of them as he passed by. Crowds gathered also from the towns around Jerusalem, bringing their sick and those tormented by impure spirits, and all of them were healed.

I don't think there's anything like this today?

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The Word of God is still just as inspired. The writing has ended but the Word is still just as inspired, just as anointed and just as powerful.

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Yes the Word Of God the Bible is still inspired. The writing is ended as you say, but that's because there are no more apostles to write scripture? The Canon closed when the Apostle John died, because he was the last. What an apostle wrote was considered to be part of the Bible, the inspired word of God, just as if God himself was speaking.

As Peter said about Paul's writings:

There are some things in them that are hard to understand, which the ignorant and unstable twist to their own destruction, as they do the other Scriptures (2 Peter 3:16).

In the bible the words of a real Prophet or Apostle were considered to be infallible, the very words of God. It's a high standard.

Always in His Presence said:

13 till we all come to the unity of the faith and of the knowledge of the Son of God, to a perfect man, to the measure of the stature of the fullness of Christ; 14 that we should no longer be children, tossed to and fro and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the trickery of men, in the cunning craftiness of deceitful plotting

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Could that be talking of the closed Canon, which we now have?

God Bless You