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He’s a citizen with a Real ID. ICE detained him anyway. Twice.

It’s amazing that you do not argue issues, but resort to ad hominem attacks. My emotional state is irrelevant to the discussion, and I assure you that your perception of such is in your mind only, and you do not have the authority to tell me what I am thinking, nor what to think.
I have been discussing my issue with the trampling of the 4th amendment and the profiling of people just based on their skin color or appearance. You are the one going off in all kinds of tangents. Secondly, there is no ad hom. I don’t do those.

I’m done with you. Have a blessed day.
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What we need is an economy that works for most Americans.....

As a libertarian do you think federal meddling is going to fix the economy for everyone? That there is some benevolent motive from the federal overlords that is bound to bring us into utopia?

The whole framing of the issue as, "How the federal government can create an economy that works for everyone," is remarkably naive. It is just another symptom of the top-downism that is the problem in the first place.
There are things we can do to reduce monopolies and concentration of wealth. But there’s no simple action that is going to make things like housing and health less expensive. Housing is mostly not a Federal problem, and health requires things that neither party is willing to do. The federal,government does plenty of useful things. My concern is that voters want it to do things it can’t, and aren’t holding it accountable for doing the things it can competently. That is going to lead to a continuing parade of charlatans, possibly of alternating parties.
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Do you keep the Sabbath? (poll)

The true Church is immune from apostasy, or perhaps I've misunderstood the text.
The unholy entity presently passing itself off as the Body of Christ however, has completely lost the plot.
The term Apostasy is certainly worthy of deeper study, it seems a bit incongruous to my simple mind.
But I'm certain someone will come along to straighten out my thinking for me.

Endure to His Glory my Brother.
We are told...
2 Timothy 4 I charge you [a]therefore before God and the Lord Jesus Christ, who will judge the living and the dead [b]at His appearing and His kingdom: 2 Preach the word! Be ready in season and out of season. Convince, rebuke, exhort, with all longsuffering and teaching. 3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine, but according to their own desires, because they have itching ears, they will heap up for themselves teachers; 4 and they will turn their ears away from the truth, and be turned aside to fables. 5 But you be watchful in all things, endure afflictions, do the work of an evangelist, fulfill your ministry.

We are told this is what a saved person looks like

Rev 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints; here are those who keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus. Sadly we are told its a remnant Rev12:17

Notice how it says the faith of Jesus, not in Jesus. The faith of Jesus is how Jesus lived and what Jesus taught. He never taught the Sabbath commandment would end at His cross - He very much told His faithful would be keeping up to His Second Coming Mat24:20 and for eternity Isa66:22-23


Many have used Paul's words out of context against the plain teachings of Jesus. I did not come to destroy the law or prophets, not a jot or tittle can pass from the law (yet alone a whole commandment or two) not to break the least of these commandments Mat5:17-30. Paul certainly never went against Christ so if we look deeper at Col2:14-17 we will plainly see what he is referring to and its not one of God's written and spoken commandments, that Jesus plainly said would be kept and Paul himself kept every Sabbath with Jews and Gentiles just as Jesus predicted for His church Isa56:6-7 Acts 13:42, Acts13:44 Acts 18:4
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Hell doesn't exist and there is no eternal suffering, instead bad peolle just cease to exist

Well, at least you moved off the physical eye, which was the general point

My suggestion is that we know people by their fruits.

Love your neighbors as YOURSELF = GOOD FRUIT

Thinking they'll burn alive forever = You can not HATE your neighbors any more than this

I consider the later position a DEMONIC position and imposition. Nothing personal. Just identification of the parties


Really? Jesus actually being the successful Savior of the WORLD doesn't convince you?

You'd rather have a loser in charge? I don't think so
If you insist on equating a love and reverence for God and His Holy Word as hatred for ones neighbor, by all means, carry on.

You seem to freely pick and choose whatever words suit your narrative at any given time, so I see no point in discussing this topic any further.

As I previously stated, God will do as He pleases. It is my sincere prayer that He chooses mercy. Whatever He actually does in the end, will undoubtedly be just.

Take care neighbor.
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Obama care collapsing.....

We were told we all would save money on our insurance and health care. That didn't happen. It was a total failure on that part. We were lied to.

Tell that to the millions of Americans enrolled in the ACA. Tell that to the Americans who will no longer be able to afford health insurance come January 1st.
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Presentation of the Blessed Virgin Mary

The consecration of Mary to God presented all the conditions of the most perfect sacrifice: it was prompt, generous, joyous, unregretted, without reservation. How agreeable it must have been to God! May our consecration of ourselves to God be made under Her patronage, assisted by Her powerful intercession and united with Her ineffable merits.

Presentation of the Blessed Virgin Mary propers & commentary(EF)

The Presentation of the Blessed Virgin Mary propers & commentary (EF)

Memorial of the Presentation of the Blessed Virgin Mary readings & commentary (OF)

Memorial of the Presentation of Mary readings & commentary (OF)

The Presentation of the Blessed Virgin Mary

Our Lady’s Presentation, and the Perfect Gift of Self

The Presentation of the Blessed Virgin Mary

Saints of the Day

Sermons for Everyday Living - The Presentation of Our Lady 11/21/25

Chains of Bondage

THE LAW IS FULFILLED
“Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law. For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.” Romans 13:8–10 (KJV).

And everyone who has come into the new covenant knows that this does not mean freedom to practice sin, because God’s will is in our new nature, in our hearts. “We have the mind of Christ.” 1 Cor. 2:16.
If one had the mind of Christ would they do not what Christ taught and lived for our example? John15:10 1John2:6 Luke4:16 Mark3:4 1Peter2:21-22

Lets not forget Rom13:9 in these verses of what the details are of how to love and what sums up how to love thy neighbor the second greatest commandment, or the greatest commandments from the same unit of how we are to love God with all our hearts and minds Deut6:5 quoted from Deut5. The summary never deletes the details because than its no longer love to others, but love of self.
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Eve and the Fallacy of Moral Choices

For example, what does “lawlessness was already at work within both Adam…Eve” mean?
Cited Mark 7:21-23, that evil thoughts defile everyone, A&E included, and referenced by Paul here for example:

Romans 11:32

For God has bound everyone over to disobedience so that he may have mercy on them all.

In addition to sin being "of the devil," 1 John 3:8

I know the drive to blame Adam and Eve and leave out the DEVIL from the equations is strong, and this happens when we are in denial of having the tempter in our own minds. It's a given principle in scripture.

Simply, there’s nothing in the plain text meaning or textual meaning of that Genesis verse claiming, alleging, inferring, or implying Eve had or experienced “lust.”
Just addressed with bling above if you want to browse it

In any case Eve was clearly contemplating BREAKING GODS COMMAND in her MIND prior to eating i.e. LAWLESS THOUGHTS against God's Command, even stating the command erroneously, adding to God's Words (another violation).

Let's just say that believers who only condemn Adam and Eve and leave the DEVIL, the TEMPTER out of the picture clearly missed the picture for them, and more than likely miss it for themselves as well, to this day
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The Miraculous Medal Novena

Day 4... 11/21/25

O Immaculate Virgin Mary, Mother of Our Lord Jesus and our Mother, penetrated with the most lively confidence in your all-powerful and never-failing intercession, manifested so often through the Miraculous Medal, we your loving and trustful children implore you to obtain for us the graces and favors we ask during this Novena, if they be beneficial to our immortal souls, and the souls for whom we pray.

(Privately form your petitions here.)

You know, O Mary, how often our souls have been the sanctuaries of your Son who hates iniquity. Obtain for us, then, a deep hatred of sin and that purity of heart, which will attach us to God alone so that our every thought word and deed may tend to his greater glory. Obtain for us also a spirit of prayer and self-denial, that we may recover by penance what we have lost by sin, and at length attain to that blessed abode where you are the Queen of angels and of men. Amen.
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The End Time Puzzle

„And being turned, I saw seven golden candlesticks.“ (see Revelation 1: 12b KJV) – as if John had been transported to the temple setting of „Hanukkah“ („Dedication“) – the „Feast of Lights“ and the dedication of the Temple (see 2Maccabees 10:5; cf. John 10:22,23), a reminder of the miracle that occurred in the sanctuary, around the winter solstice in December 165 BC. Although the Hebrew words „וְנִצְדַּ֖ק“ („wə·niṣ·daq“) and „חֲנֻכָּה‎“ („Hanukkah“) are etymologically different, the event associated with the rededication of the temple in 165 BC, that is celebrated on Hanukkah, is was just an image or the historical-proleptic fulfillment of the 2300-day prophecy in Daniel 8: 14 regarding authentic (the real one) fulfillment in „the end of time“, when the Sanctuary will be „wə·niṣ·daq“ „restored/cleansed“. Translators of the Septuagint (the Greek translation of the Old Testament) have even translated „wə·niṣ·daq“ with the Greek word „katharizo“, which means „to cleanse“, influenced by the understanding that the text in Daniel 8: 14 refers to the ritual cleansing of the temple. Adding 2300 years after 165 BC, it turns out that (probably) John was taken away in the Spirit on the day „Κυριακή Ημέρα“ – Saturday, December 22, 2136 AD – the beginning of the „Lord’s Day“? Based on the chronology of Elizabeth and Mary’s pregnancies and the births of their respective babies, the days around „Hanukkah“ in 8 BC was the time when Jesus was also conceived by the Holy Spirit in the womb of the Virgin Mary. This was an additional reason for Christ to be accepted as „the Light of the world“ (see John 8:12; 1:4, etc.).
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SO HOW DO YOU KNOW YOU ARE SAVED ??

And 1 John 5:18 says that whosoever is BORN. of God does NOT. SIN. !!

And in 1. John 1:8 says If we say. that we have no SIN WE DECIVE. OURSELFS and the TRUTH is nor in us !!

What says you and their is and ANSWER. and will you believe it ?? I say NO. as you seem. to entrenched in. WATER !!

Good luck. !!

dan p
Dan, I really don't get your point. Are you trying to condemn me for some reason you can't quite pin down???
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Federal judges block Texas from using its new US House map in the 2026 midterms


A federal court on Tuesday blocked Texas from using a redrawn U.S. House map that touched off a nationwide redistricting battle and is a major piece of President Donald Trump’s efforts to preserve a slim Republican majority ahead of the 2026 elections.
The ruling is a blow to Trump’s rush to create a more favorable political landscape for Republicans in next year’s midterms, at least for now. Texas filed an appeal Tuesday evening with the U.S. Supreme Court after Gov. Greg Abbott and other Republicans publicly defended the map, which was engineered to give Republicans five additional House seats.
In a 2-1 ruling, a panel of federal judges in El Paso sided with opponents who argued that Texas’ unusual summer redrawing of congressional districts would harm Black and Hispanic residents. The decision was authored by U.S. District Judge Jeffrey V. Brown, a Trump nominee from the president’s first term.
“To be sure, politics played a role in drawing the 2025 Map. But it was much more than just politics. Substantial evidence shows that Texas racially gerrymandered the 2025 Map,” the ruling states.
Very unfortunate for Abbott and Texas Republicans. And I guess the GOP overall.
This article describes how it might hurt the GOP. 3 reasons Republicans’ redistricting power grab might backfire

"But sometimes the effort backfires: In trying to maximize their seats, a party spreads its voters too thin and fails to make some districts safe enough. These vulnerable districts can then flip to the other party in future elections, and the opposing party ends up winning more seats than expected.

This phenomenon, commonly referred to as “dummymandering,” has happened before. It even happened in Texas, where Republicans lost a large handful of poorly drawn state legislative districts in the Dallas suburbs in 2018, a strong year for Democrats nationwide. With Democrats poised for a strong 2026 midterm election against an unpopular president, this is a lesson Republicans might need to pay attention to."
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Who then can be saved?

Um...Institutes of the Christian Religion is theology. What theology do you study-Jack Chick? Anyway, it appears you're again sure of what you don't know.
Wow, you don't even know what theology means. And you believe there are many gods, so we are worlds apart. You can have your religion all to yourself, it is an abomination to me.
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Blood Type & Christianity

For some reason this fascinates me a lot. All of the eucharistic miracles suggest that Jesus has AB blood type. I have also heard that AB blood type was common in New Testament era Palestine. But AB is the universal receiver blood type, not the universal donor. Only those with AB blood can receive AB blood. AB blood is also extremely rare, with roughly 4% of people having it. Could this tie in to the path to heaven being narrow? Is Jesus not the universal donor? If so, wouldn't that necessitate Him having O negative blood? I'm trying to not sound like a Pharisee here, it is something I am genuinely curious about. How does blood type work in relation to communion?
Your post is why I like CF as you share something unique and interesting that I never considered. My thinking is that if the blood of animals could cover sins in the Old testament, then the blood of Jesus is quite capable of removing our sins before God regardless of blood type.
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The Lord's Wrath - How will it Happen

Does what the Bible Prophets tell us, have no real meaning for you, or others here. Is it all just Spiritual?
The Prophecy in Zechariah 9:9 was really fulfilled. How can people say other Prophesies, obviously unfulfilled, but which can, feasibly be fulfilled; will not be?

The current situation in the Middle East, is untenable and cannot continue. God has said that He is going to resolve it. Jeremiah 12:14, +
I say: Bring it on Lord!
Show me where in the Bible it says Jerusalem is in Palestine.

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“Spacious” and “flowing with milk and honey” doesn’t fit the description of a small piece of barren desert.
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Are the Jews Israel, or is the church Israel? Or does it depend on the context of the passage?

LOL. Just change the Bible to suit your false teaching. This is another reason to reject Pretrib and Premil.

I was supporting your point that the olive tree refers to true Israel
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Trump's history of acts of kindness and generosity

I’ve no doubt that all these so called acts of kindness are to cover up for some malfeasance.

He gave a porn star a bunch of money. Was he just being kind?
Let's verify that they actually happened before we debate how kind these acts really were.

I don't think that Trump is completely unable to perform acts of kindness. But I do believe that he is not the type to do so quietly or secretly without anyone knowing about them.
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Street Preaching

This is one of the better threads I've encountered here in the forum, lots of sharing, no shouting, obviously a bunch of people who are genuinely concerned for the lost, as am I.

For what its worth, and this is just my opinion, I think there are far too many brothers out in the streets preaching that were never called by God to do so, or were called by God but have not put the necessary preparation into their ministry to be effective.

For anyone who may already be in the street preaching, or believes that God may be placing such a burden on their hearts, I highly recommend the book.
"The Ministry of Gods Word"
by Watchman Nee

If you are unaware of Brother Nee, he planted many churches in China before spending the last twenty years of his life in prison for his faith in Christ. He's Chinese obviously, so one must keep in mind that he has a much different way of seeing things than we do here in the West, and as far as I know, he never learned English and all of his books are translations, which can lead to some confusion when trying to grasp the profound thoughts that God so clearly placed upon his heart. That being said, the book I mentioned above is the best explanation I have read about how the Holy Spirit works through men to deliver divine revelation sufficient for saving faith.

Unfortunately, Nee had a protégé named Witness Lee who travelled to America and a rather creepy cult has sprang up around the person and his teachings, which has caused many to lump them both together. They are worlds apart.

If we truly desire to serve God through evangelism, we must first be sure that this is also Gods divine will for our life. Sharing Christ through our example, our love, and always being willing and ready to boldly profess Christ when the Spirit moves upon our hearts to do so is the duty, and should be the desire of every believer. However, being called by God to the ministry of an Evangelist is a much different thing, and requires a level of surrender and devotion that would be uncommon for the average saint.

I hope that most of us here have had the experience of speaking the truth into the heart and mind of another individual by the Spirit, watching the Spirit work in that persons life through direct revelation, with power and conviction, its a truly blessed thing to be a part of. It certainly has not been the norm in my own experience, but I have experienced it, it's humbling to say the least.

But being a part of that ministry as a matter of daily occurrence, has been the domain of a select few of Gods chosen servants. I believe that scripture and history declare this to be true.

Sorry for the long post.

Yah alone be praised.
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I hate being homosexual. It's an awful life

I've been struggling with this for many years despite so many prayers, reading the Bible, etc. It's a horrible, sexualized community with no substance. I try to keep to myself and not bother anyone, yet people in the homosexual world keep coming into my life causing turmoil. Please pray for me.
Praying for a breakthrough in your life on this. That you can be free from those that try to tempt you and even consider a change in location if needed. May God be with you.
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