Eve and the Fallacy of Moral Choices
- By jonojim1337
- Controversial Christian Theology
- 47 Replies
Women like to tempt and gain alotta stuff.
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I’m preparing a video on this topic and would truly appreciate hearing a range of Christian perspectives!
Do you find it hard to discuss? It hasn't been my experience that Christians shy away from the subject. So instead of engaging on this important subject, you get people reacting to the comment that they shy away from it. Perhaps just discussing the subject, without a judgement on how people view it, would be more effective. Just a thought.Why do you think discussions about justice and greed create such tension among believers?
I mentioned that myself.If that were true, the Navy would have just blown up the second vessel to ensure complete safety.
Nobody is perfect and neither are you. The Church is full of sinners. Everyone has their crosses to bear. Going to Church is not going to hurt you. It can only help. Set your boundaries if you feel someone is not your cup of tea. Concentrate on the Lord and your devotion to Him. Not others.I was wondering if any other Christians are having trouble with making friends. Friendships you're actually happy with and are good for you. It can be with other Christians or non-believers.
I feel like I have trouble. I don't really know where to find other Christians that are like me.
At work I'm around people I do not trust. They lie, they gossip, they're out to get others, etc. So I have to watch what I say and do, and protect myself.
I also haven't been to church in 6 years. I know that's bad. But I'm not impressed with the churches in my area.
There are more Christians living in Muslim-majority countries than there are Christians living in the United States of America.
Consider the potential impact on Christian communities if a local newspaper in Baghdad or Karachi reported that the United States would not permit the establishment of an Islamic educational institution because Americans fear Islam is threat to American society?
Are you concerned about Christians' safety in Islamic countries, or your concern is only about American Christians?
You all are so uneducated it’s borders on the ridiculous. Go educate yourself about what you obviously know nothing about. This thread is about the moon landing. Not drooling anti-Catholic stupidity.
No, synergistic theologies don't hold a "lofty view of man", they simply don't denigrate man and deny that we are made in God's image. An image that was marred in the fall, but not destroyed.
I never said these are the only options. There are obviously a lot more false heresies than just Arminianism.The options are not Arminianism or Calvinism, that false dichotomy is bound to lead to error.
There is no saving ourselves, as the "decision" is an act of surrender to God's pursuit, not a seeking of God. Monergists seem to have a place for everything in their theology except themselves, the sin belongs to Adam and the faith belongs to God. No place for the monergist, none at all.
Good! But the Synergists say otherwise. Sometimes you have to take the time and read the fine print.No one said it was.
It is the crux of it!Hallelujah and amen. But again, that's not relevant to the question at hand.
Gift means it's given freely to whom ever he wills because it is not earned nor can be because we are fallen. The only thing I contribute is sin, I have nothing else. Which it is why God also gives us renewed minds to understand him and new hearts to believe him.Salvation is certainly a gift, but gifts must be received. According to you, God not only gives the gift but also receives it, so what part do you have in your salvation?
yeah, and the options are not Arminianism or Calvinism. There are more worlds than these, ladodgers6
But it may be associated with Mind states.Acoustics is the study of sound propagation, not "mind states"
Lol, how do I know, that is what we have to work out. Like I said if there was some chemistry or physics involved in softening or weakening stones. Then its something the ancients discovered that we have lost. If I know what that was I would be very rich.Name. The. "Tech". Don't just wave your hands about. What is that tech? Panther urine? Miller Lite?
But its the same principle. If a miracle comes from knowledge that is beyond what science can explain. Then the same with direct conscious experiences that may give deeper knowledge. Just like science cannot explain a 'Red Experience'. It belongs in the same realm as spirituality and the supernatural phenomena.We are not talking about miracles.
Thats not the point. Its a thought experiement and I doubt that you could create such a simulation that would contain people like ourselves believing we are conscious beings. When it was really a simulation all along.Sheer nonsense. Anyone propagating "simulation theory" has no idea how to do an actual simulation. (I do.)
You also have not demonstrated that all there is is the physical.You haven't demonstrated any thing else it could be. All we get is dodging and hand waving.
So what about Wheeler, Wigner, Stapp, Heisenburg, Schrodinger, Plank and Bohr. All toyed with and supported the idea of Mind, Consciousness and Information as being Fundemental.A philosopher?
A psychologist? Good grief.
They seem to be supported by some great minds as above.No. But your confusion illustrates my point that we should expect any better from you in reasoning on this topic. The limitations of your thinking are laid bare repeatedly.
I was being generous, and as you will eventually get to, I gave you three ways to gain/maintain credibility and then there was the fourth option -- continue to do what you are doing here. Please, for the love
No, no, no, no. If you want to go with the "advanced tech" route, you just need to demonstrate actual physical technologies, but not at the same time invoke "supernatural woo woo". (That is path A.)
Still not "either/or" and your "alternative knowledge" claims seem to very much fall in this category of the esoteric non-physical claims.
Not from the view over here on "Science Island".
I'm not interested in discussions of "perceptions of reality". The topic is ancient civilization development levels, paces, and regression.
You are confusing science and its goals with philosophy or religion. I am only here to discuss the former.
Show me where I said this.In another post you accused me of lying for making things up,
Ok so you got me there lol.in my last response part of it was made up as comedic value.
The Egyptians never wore pyramid headwear to increase their brainpower and the neuroscientists Hunt, Blunt, Lunt and Cunningham are fictitious and their surnames lead to an unfortunate word association.
Its funny as you want to make claims without evidence to tell whether its fact or fiction and now you want to make destinctions. The line between fact and fiction has already been blurred with all the logical fallacies.Here lies the problem, if you cannot seperate fact from fiction, how are you able to recognise rubbish such as the Egyptians having the technology to soften granite?
Yes but this does not show that they were used to pound the block out. The tests done show that the signatures don't match small pounders.As pointed out dolerite pounders were found at the Aswan granite quarry in large quantities in various states of wear because it is harder and more durable than granite hence was used as pounder stones.
As mentioned the pounders may have been from a different period. The fact is the signatures within the scoops do not match small dolerite pounders. So we can discount them. Whether it was from a different time or the pounders were used for something else. It was not dolerite pounders.If granite was softened to a paste then why would the Egyptians go through the trouble of using dolerite when any material harder than this paste such untreated granite, limestone or even copper tools would have sufficed?
There is lol. The vitrification of many of the megalith stones.Then their your favourite word signature,
why is there no signature for softened granite such as a modification of its crystal state to a glassy state which can occur in nature due to lightning strikes or meteorite impacts?
I wish conservatives would stop equating an embryo with a person. Guess we will both be disappointed.I wish liberals would show the same level of empathy and compassion for an unborn child that they do for murdering rapist drug smugglers.
If I had true knowledge of their later actions? Yes. But since that is only possible for a god that is not relevant in this case.If so, abortion would be completely banned. But here is an interesting question, if you had the chance to kill the 9/11 hijackers before they boarded the planes that killed 2,977 people, would you?
No. People dying from drug overdose is not the same as a targeted attack. The comparison is bizzare. Unless you think we should be shooting doctors because they might over prescribe?But every year, 72, 776 people in the US die from fentanyl, and 29,449 with cocaine. That is over 34 9/11 attacks in the United States every year!
Not the guy celebrating people being killed by selectively applying a weasel word like "innocent ".So yes! I celebrate the deaths of every single one of these monsters so that innocent people can live.
So who is more "pro-life?"
It is the best of times. It is the worst of times.The question is what is appropriate for "the People's House"? A robber baron's palace that would make Hearst blush, or something less conspicuously ostentatious?
Here's a hint....But that is literally what the verse says. I’m not sure where you are going with this.
Yes, it's just total anarchy.
Bob asks for one thing with total faith and Suzy asks for the opposite with total faith.
All the prayers cancel each other out, what can you do?
half joking because it involves speak-it-into-existence folks.
I would say that Christians are to influence (not dominate) these spheres. I reject Dominionism in the usual sense of the word, but I believe that Christians are to pray for the spheres. I believe that this should be done by small groups of Christians gathered together for the purpose of listening in silence for a word from God as to what to pray, who to pray for, and maybe some specific activity to take. However, before a word is accepted, all members of the group must be inwardly convinced that it is truly from God (Mat.18:19-20).If I misunderstood the OP, I apologise. However, it does contain these words:
"It holds that there are seven aspects of society that believers seek to dominate: family, religion, education, media, arts and entertainment, business, and government."
That seemed to be saying that Christian believes are to dominate those 7 aspects of life. If my understanding of the OP is wrong, then sorry for wasting your time. I didn't do so diliberately.
Where are you finding in scripture: "John's water immersion was an immersion of repentance, meaning it was symbolic of the Spiritual immersion/born"? John's baptism was a covenant action to show a commitment to accepting God's forgiveness and turning your life around.
How do you show: Immersion in water is always symbolic of the Holy Spirit, since the Jew immersed ceremonially in many ways?
You may be thinking of the Lefkada Church of Panagia Hodegetria (Παναγία Οδηγήτρια)? It's a very old church in an old village, but yes incredible and moving frescoes, though most moved to an institution in Athens as I recall.We haven't been to Mykonos but we were on Lefkada earlier this year, it's one of the mid-sized Greek islands off to the west, Ionian Sea I believe. It was an majestic experience, particularly for mission groups. A sizeable number of beautiful and inspirational churches and deep tradition. I'm having one of those days and can't quite recall the name, but there was one church in the particular that was extraordinary and stayed with us. From the Byzantine architects, a redoubtable design and beautiful frescoes within it. Reminded us of some of the churches on the French Mediterranean coast. Even without the icons, but the architecture on the coast seems it was similarly inspired.

It’s called exegesis a verse. You have to look at the context before you can dogmatically interpret it.Our thoughts and ideas are not Scripture nor do they trump the Testimony of God or Jesus. I know this cannot be reasoned with but I will say this last thing and than just let you have the last word and agree to disagree.
Well, He is the God of creation, the alpha and the omega, so He most certainly is the Lord of the sabbath.Jesus never became the Lord of the Sabbath as if He is the creation,
Depends if they understand the concept of being selfish.