Colo Millz said:

Take it up with the Reformed Calvinist theologian Karl Barth - who of course did not preach universalism. We are, however, again, according to him, permitted to hope, genuinely hope, that in the end all of God's creation will be brought back to him.

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We can hope all we want, but it can only be discussed in Controversial Christian Theology.

FredVB said:

Where were you seeing something said indicating I have some problem I speak of that I am or would be upset? I spoke of the word election in the Bible where it is used. Believers are elected to be conformed to the image of Christ. That is the right application for the word. God chose people of Israel, but that choice was not the salvation of all of them. That choice has the revelation from God come through prophets among them with the revelation from God preserved and passed on so fully, and made available to the world, with the prophesied Christ testified in it who we really need. God does choose among us for those God does save, God is not willing that any would perish but they should come to repentance as in 2 Peter 3:9 with their faith in response to God, it is God's grace that is the basis.

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I am speaking of John 6 where Christ speaks of God choosing those who will be saved. Whether or not the word “elect” is used, Christ is clear that God chooses who will be saved and that He, Christ, will only save those whom God has chosen. And that is the definition of the word elect.

Apple Sky said:

@Strong in Him said to me and d taylor that we were wrong, well, don't moan to us tell NASA.

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NASA don't know who you are and couldn' care less.

Why would I combine to NASA that there are dome people who don't believe in the moon landings?
So what?
It's like saying, " you don't believe I'm British? Tell the government. "

That's one way of viewing things, but not the only way.

keras said:

This is pathetic.
Methinks you moan and whinge too much.

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What, it' pathetic that someone "commanded to preach God's message' writes stuff that isn't even Scriptural?
Agreed.

Methinks you can't cope when people challenge you.

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Aaron112 said:

Some have tried to show that blindness is a result of man's choice; but failed.
The whole of Scripture, and YHVH'S Plan for Salvation,
repeatedly and throughout all history shows that men are blind by default, as you put it.
What is the part in the religion that tries to show otherwise ? Why try ? It is part of a religious system that for some reason 'needs' men to only be blind by choice/disobedience, but that contradicts too much Scripture. All Scripture is true - Scripture does not contradict itself; or rather, God's Plan and God's Word is Perfect Forever , and His Plan as well, and there is no contradiction in nor from God,
so if anything or anyone contradicts God, it or them is not truthful nor from God.
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10 We grope for the wall like the blind, and we grope as if we had no eyes: we stumble at noon day as in the night; we are in desolate places as dead men.

Acts 17:27​

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... [grope for; reach out to; feel their way towards] him and find him, though he ... “He did all this so that people might seek God in the hope that by groping ...

Deuteronomy 28:29​

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so that at noon you will grope as a blind person gropes in the dark. ... And you shall be groping at noon just as the blind person gropes in the dark ...

Isaiah 59:10​

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We grope like the blind along a wall, groping like those who have no eyes; we stumble at noon as in the twilight, among the vigorous as though we were dead.

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Both are true. Adam’s rebellion against God is what led to the fall, which in turn resulted in the default of blindness to all men. We all live in rebellion and blindness. We don’t become blind, though, we are born blind.

Guojing said:

Did you even read Romans 9:4 and Hebrews 8:8 before you concluded that the New Covenant is for all?

If you can still reach that conclusion, that means you disagree with what the 2 verses are literally saying.

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Or that I understand what’s being said in light of such verses as Eph 3:6 and Gal 3:8, and Rom 9:6-9 for that matter. What Israel received was obviously transferred to all, as the promises were originally intended for all, gentiles being joint heirs.

Cardinal Mauro Gambetti, archpriest of St. Peter’s Basilica and vicar general of the pope for Vatican City, presided Oct. 13 over a penitential rite of reparation at the main altar of the church following a serious act of desecration that had taken place on Oct. 10.

After a penitential procession that began at 12:45 p.m. local time, Gambetti sprinkled the altar with holy water and incensed it to purify it.

The rite, attended by members of the chapter of the Vatican basilica, emphasized asking God for “forgiveness” for the desecration, Father Enzo Fortunato, director of communications for St. Peter’s Basilica, told ACI Prensa, CNA’s Spanish-language news partner.

On Friday, Oct. 10, a man whose identity has not been revealed was arrested by security guards after he climbed onto the Altar of the Confession, located under Bernini’s baldachin, and urinated on it while tourists looked on in astonishment.

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Fantine said:

Conservatives don't realize that gasoline prices would be a lot higher without the competition of hybrids and electric vehicles, and electricity generated by oil would be higher without solar.

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Oh my word. This isn't a Conservative or Liberal thing; this is an engineering thing. If you want to say that Liberals are the sons and daughters of Mary and Conservatives the sons and daughters of Martha, as in the Kipling poem The Sons of Martha, that's up to you. This is about energy density and the cost per energy unit, and yes, you need to put batteries into that category as well. This is about energy output. This is about reality, not wishful thinking, and the reality is that without some sort of energy storage to put wind and solar into, it's not going to be a viable energy source. Period. Without sufficient energy storage, you'll always have to have generation you can quickly spin up to provide electricity when the wind doesn't blow and the sun doesn't shine and it has to match the generation capacity of wind and solar. It's either that or sit in the dark.

Your electrics and hybrids have about as much impact on petroleum prices as spitting into the ocean does to sea levels and for the same reason. Most also charge at night, when the sun doesn't shine, so they aren't being charged by solar. Where you don't have much wind, they aren't charged by that, either. And they're not as many around as you apparently assume. Nor are EV sales going like gangbusters, especially as people discover the drawbacks of range and charge times. I'm quite sure that some wish EVs had a significant impact, but wishing doesn't make it so.

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Rm 2, 1-11

« Quand tu juges les autres, tu te condamnes toi-même. »

Nous connaissons seulement le 1% d’une personne. Et que ses manquements ne sont pas sa réalité.



Apprenons à remettre au Seigneur les maux et les malaises que nous voyons chez une personne. Cela nous en détachera et nous évitera de faire pire… de la calomnie à la médisance.



Demeurons libres de tout et remettons tout à Dieu.



Lc 11, 42-46

Jésus dit : « Vous passez à côté de l’amour de Dieu. »

Oui, en effet, Jésus le dit.



L’Amour de Dieu est ce qu’il y a de plus simple. Trouvons la joie et la paix dans notre cœur et revenons-y constamment.



C’est comme cela que nous devenons amis avec Dieu, baignés dans son Amour et que nous devenons de jour en jour plus libres. Cette liberté est la joie qui nous élance à annoncer aux personnes que Dieu les Aime et de recevoir son Amour.



Textes bibliques, AELF

Normand Thomas.

jonojim1337 said:

If Caesar exists or not.

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As a type for civil authorities, yes. Many Caesar's around the globe yet today

Just as Pharaoh was a representative type for Satan in the O.T. against Israel, Caesar plays that same role in the gentile nations

Ezekiel 29:3
Speak, and say, Thus saith the Lord God; Behold, I am against thee, Pharaoh king of Egypt, the great dragon that lieth in the midst of his rivers, which hath said, My river is mine own, and I have made it for myself.

Was pharaoh a great dragon who resided in rivers in the literal sense? Uh, no. This is typology or allegory depicting in the physical, the ways of Satan in mankind, particular at the "head."

In the Spirit, Israel itself is "Sodom and Egypt." Rev. 11:8

Not everything is as it appears on the surface in scripture. In fact nothing is as it appears on the surface

Guojing said:

When God told Abraham to be physically circumcised in Genesis 17:14, otherwise he will be cut off from God, could Abraham have refused to do so by saying "Did you lie to me, didn't I receive imputed righteousness in Genesis 15 already?

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So, God accounted righteousness to Abraham about 13 years after the event in Genesis 15. Where do you find this special revelation in the bible?

Romans 4:9 Is this blessing then on the circumcised, or on the uncircumcised also? For we say, "FAITH WAS CREDITED TO ABRAHAM AS RIGHTEOUSNESS." 10 How then was it credited? While he was circumcised, or uncircumcised? Not while circumcised, but while uncircumcised;
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Paul was under the impression Abraham was accounted righteous before he was circumcised.

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they should in these last days return to their roots where the Holy Spirit and his gifts were evident and not locked away

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As a Pentecostal, I would advise all likeminded to apply whichever capability God has supplied you with (we are many members), apt to give equal footing for all of God's word (Acts 20:27, 1Tim 3:2).

I learned that if I don't drive my car for 3 months or more, the battery would die. Its good to know this, but I learned it the hard way..

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If they are talking about men in their 20's, 30's and even 40"s they are probably too busy playing computer games to get off of their computer, to socialize.

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Or women are too busy seeking validation via online means than in in-person meetings.

Jeff Saunders said:

Let me explain what I was thinking.
Freewill is our ability to make a choice that's all if their is no choice, like Calvinism teaches, their is no freewill.

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My general objection to such stances is that there is nothing that transpires in creation that God is not involved in in some way. Evil does transpire in the midst of Omnipresence, as well as sin and death.

Therefore...do the math

We're faced with 2 basic postures when this reality hits. We can either isolate God and provide excuses for Him

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We can believe that God is greater than anything that happens and can make it all seem as nothing, which is what I believe happens.

Let the worlds turn to dust. It will not matter in the face of Eternity.

Jeff Saunders said:

Yes ultimately Gods plan will be done, I believe that its Gods will that none should perish but for all to come to the knowledge of the truth, Gods will must and will be done but within that will we are given choices to either follow Jesus now in our mortal body, which has the greatest reward or to choose him through purgation which has a loss of inheritance. These are real choices on our part but without choice we are merely robots.

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I'd suggest that no person acts apart from Divine and unseen influences, one way or another. Therefore there is no "blame" necessary. IF God wanted all of us to believe He could make it happen in an instant, just as He did many times with many people. None of us choose our way into God. He chose us, for whatever that brings.

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God because he is outside of time knows what are choices will be,

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You're presuming these choices transpire in a vacuum. I think that's just a ridiculous posture that isolates God from the equations.

Jeff Saunders said:

so he knows the beginning from the end, but we still have to make those choices and each has its own consequences but God does not make our choices for us as Calvinist think ,

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Then you are promoting a Godless position, is a general point of fact.

Jeff Saunders said:

does the Father help us and is he involved with our lives, yes he can do whatever he wants, but we are responsible for our actions.

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I appreciate the back tracking attempt, but you can't play it both ways my friend.

Jeff Saunders said:

I see this in the Romans letter that compares all humanity to a lump of clay some for noble use some for common, our choices are what make us either noble or common, but its our choice, even if the Father knows what choice we will make.

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I'd have a bit of a different take on Romans and the lump, the question being why has God made me thus? A vessel of honor and a vessel of dishonor in the same lump. Universally applied. And God's choice which is dominant.

God raised Pharaoh to resist. What Pharaoh thought about it really doesn't matter. God has POWER OVER him, and used it to turn against Israel and force a separation.

This also happens to us, individually, when we are born again. We turn against our own pharaoh, the tempter or his own. Which we had no clue about prior to salvation.

You see, there really are things going on, unseen. And sadly still unknown to believers who should know better.

Jeff Saunders said:

In the end the Father will be all in all, on the new heaven and a new earth.

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And to that we agree, which is a good thing

Who can complain about Perfection running everything? Not me, for sure.

HARK! said:

I find some of the differences very puzzling.

These foe example:

(CLV) 1Ki 6:18
The cedar for the inside of the house had an embossing of colocynth gourds and open| up blossoms. It was all cedar; there was no stone to be seen.

(CLV) 1Ki 6:23
In the innermost sanctuary he made two cherubim of oil-tree wood, each ten cubits in its rise.

(CLV) 1Ki 6:27
He bestowed »the cherubim in the midst of the inner house, so that they |spread out the wings of the cherubim. The wing of the one |touched i the one sidewall, and the wing of the second •cherub was touching i the second sidewall, +while their wings were toward the midst of the house and touching wing to wing.

(CLV) 1Ki 6:32
The two doors were of oil-tree wood; he embossed on them embossings of cherubim, palm trees and open up blossoms; and he overlaid them with gold, hammering »the gold |down on the cherubim and on the palm trees.

(CLV) 1Ki 6:34
The two doors were of fir-tree wood: The two leaves of the one door on pivots, and the two leaves of the second door on pivots.

(CLV) 1Ki 6:35
He embossed on them cherubim, palm trees and open up blossoms and overlaid them with gold evenly over the delineation

Can you show me where these instructions were given for the creation of the tabernacle?

They were not.

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I am referring to the pattern of the santuary, are they all different. If so please provide Scripture.

keras said:

Those who promote and teach false theories and wrong doctrines, will be held accountable at their Judgment.
Using Revelation 4:1 as a proof of a general rapture, is plainly wrong and destroys the whole 'rapture; belief.

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Apostle John was on Patmos the entire time he was shown his vision of supernatural scenes for each chapter and verse of Revelation.

John specifically indicated when he was immersed in his vision and seeing and hearing a supernatural scene. He repeatedly wrote specific phrases such as “I looked” and “I heard” (and their variations) to indicate he was immersed in his vision and seeing and hearing specific supernatural scenes.

Those specific indications were written beginning in the first supernatural scene. The first supernatural scene began in Rev 1:10 (ESV): I was in the Spirit on the Lord's day, and I heard behind me a loud voice like a trumpet

John could only initially hear the audio of the first supernatural scene, and he specifically indicated that with, “I heard.”

In Rev 1:12, John saw into his supernatural scene and specifically indicated that with “I saw.” Rev 1:12 (ESV): Then I turned to see the voice that was speaking to me, and on turning I saw seven golden lampstands,

Throughout Rev, you will repeatedly find those specific phrases and variations thereto. The use of those phrases specifically indicated he was seeing and/or hearing a supernatural scene in the continuation of his vision.

Rev 4:1-2 (ESV): After this I looked, and behold, a door standing open in heaven! And the first voice, which I had heard speaking to me like a trumpet, said, “Come up here, and I will show you what must take place after this.” 2 At once I was in the Spirit, and behold, a throne stood in heaven, with one seated on the throne.

In Rev 4:1, John used “I looked, and behold” which prove he was seeing the first supernatural scene for Rev 4:1.

In Rev 4:1, John also said, “I had heard” in relation to the same voice he heard in Rev 1:10 (ESV): … I heard behind me a loud voice like a trumpet …

In Rev 4:2, John used “and behold” to specifically indicate the supernatural scene was continuing with a vision into Heaven.

John was shown all of Rev by a vision of supernatural scenes for each chapter and verse. John generously indicated when he was immersed in his vision of supernatural scenes by the use phrases “I heard” and “I looked” and their variations.

In Rev 22:8, John acknowledges he was shown all of Rev by one angel, who was clearly responsible for presenting every element of every supernatural scene. Rev 22:8 (ESV): I, John, am the one who heard and saw these things. And when I heard and saw them, I fell down to worship at the feet of the angel who showed them to me,

Rev 4:1 remains unfulfilled. It therefore will be the pre-Trib rapture of the Church, in complete alignment with Rev 3:10 and the supporting verses: 1 Th 1:10, 1 Th 4:16-17, 1 Cor 15:52, John 14:3 and Acts 1:11.

RandyPNW said:

No, that is not at all accurate. Yes, God's Sabbath after Creation began at Creation. But that's not when the Sabbath Law for Man or for Israel began. What Sabbath Law did God require of Mankind after He created Man? Did He require it before the Fall? No. Did He require it right after the Fall? No.And so, your argument is illogical. God's Sabbath after Creation is not the same as Sabbath Law for Israel. One was God's rest after creation, and the other was man's rest after a week of working. One suggested that God finished His product. The other suggested that Man had to cease and desist from his flawed works.

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God said in the Ten Commandments which is God’s Laws. Exo 20:11 when His Sabbath started. Why Remember is used because you don’t remember or bring to mind, something that never happened before and God said verbatim in His commandments, when His Sabbath started at Creation before sin. It’s not a different Sabbath according to God Exo 20:8-11 Gen 2:1-3. Jesus who is God speaks of this same reference when He said the Sabbath was made for man. Man was made at Creation on the sixth day Gen 1:26 before the first Sabbath Gen 2:1-3 Exo 20:11 so way before there was a Jew. The Greek word Jesus used means mankind the Hebrew word means Adam. My apologies if I believe God’s personally written and spoken Testimony Exo 31:18 over opinions of man. We are told not to do this exact thing Isa8:20. Why God said the Sabbath is His commandment way before it was codified at Mt Sinai. When the God of the Universe reveals His Laws Exo 20:6 Exo 20:1-17 Deut 4:13 , not mans laws His laws that He wrote, He spoke, not man, that is under His mercy seat Exo 25:21 and in heaven Rev 11:19 Rev 15:5 why do we not believe Him. How do we have faith in God but not beleive what He says. He even spelled it out for us so we will have no excuses. You cannot have the law that describes what sin is be the same law that that was given after breaking that law.

I said this before why I am going to move on, it’s impossible to try to reason wheb one thinks their opinions equal to God’s Word, in this case God’s own written and spoken Testimony. Exo 31:18. I am not aware when the creation knew more than our Creator. God has always been, we have not. Lets let God be God and just be His humble servants wanting to join ourselves to Him Isa 56:6 before He comes back when all of our decisions will be sealed Rev 22:11

Take care.

Vambram said:

‘He Deserves All The Credit’: Ex-Dem Strategist Praises Trump For ‘Historic’ Israel-Hamas Peace Deal

Former Democratic strategist Dan Turrentine praised Donald Trump on Monday's “The Morning Meeting” for brokering a peace deal between Israel and Hamas.

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Here's another Democrat who is giving President Trump credit for this peace deal.

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Andrew Cuomo congratulates Trump and says how smart he's been in dealing with terrorists.

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Heavenly Father, unoriginate and almighty, infinite in love and perfection

Vouchsafe that the surgery to be performed on the father of Jane Chai shall prove to be a success, that Thou may be glorified through it, for Thou art a good God, who lovest mankind, and to thee we offer all honor, glory and worship, together with Thine uncreated only begotten Son and Incarnate Logos, Jesus Christ, and Thy Holy Spirit, our Comforter and Paraclete, ever one God.

Amen