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Young earth vs Old earth?
- By CoreyD
- Theistic Evolution
- 101 Replies
We don't create the wool we buy and then knit into something, right J?
However, we know the wool we buy wasn't always there.
We know the wool we buy comes from the fleece of sheep and other animals such as goats, rabbits, alpacas, llamas, camels, and even some species of cows.
The manufacturers of the wool created it from existing material.
Would we say the sheep, goats, rabbits, alpacas, llamas, camels, and cows always existed?
No. We wouldn't say that. We know they had a beginning. They came into existence.
Though things can be created from things already in existence, it doesn't mean the thing in existence was not created, or did not come into existence, does it.
Light emitters do come into existence, don't they. We see that in reality.
There is always a source of light.
The Bible says of God, at Psalm 90:2... Before the mountains were born or You brought forth the earth and the world, from everlasting to everlasting You are God.
So, God is everlasting. He has always existed. He is the beginning and the end. Revelation 21:6
Hence God has no beginning, but always is.
Psalm 36:9 says, For with thee is the fountain of life: In thy light shall we see light.
We know David is referring to spiritual light - that is, God's direction, just as he says in Psalm 119:105, because we can see physical light all around us, including the ones God so lovingly made available to us. Genesis 1:14-18
Darkness therefore, is consumed by both God, and the physical lights we see.
That darkness always existed, is a reasonable conclusion, and because we know God always existed, light always existed.
However, sunlight and moonlight did not always exist. They were created, or came into existence.
Do we agree on this?
Light on the earth from the sun is indeed separated from the darkness on the earth, isn't it.
How refreshing it would be to have water above the expanse - our atmosphere, to cool things down considerably.
Using vertically high resolved satellite observations from radio occultation, we focus on the temperature impact in the stratosphere from the [Hunga volcano] eruption in January 2022 until December 2023. Separating the signals of the Hunga eruption from the broader stratospheric variability reveals a strong persistent radiative cooling of up to –4 K in the tropical and subtropical middle stratosphere from early after the eruption until mid-2023, clearly corresponding to the water vapor distribution. Our results provide new insights from observations into both the localized temperature changes and the persistent stratospheric cooling caused by the Hunga eruption and document this exceptional climatic effect not seen for previous volcanic eruptions.
I imagine there were many seas when God started moving the land.
My question here is, would you say the waters were created by God, or the water had no beginning?
Would you deny that God created the waters that covered the earth?
My question here would be, would you deny that God created the heavens and then stretched them out?
Would you object to that?
Isaiah 44:24
This is what the LORD says, He who is your Redeemer, and the one who formed you from the womb: “I, the LORD, am the maker of all things, Stretching out the heavens by Myself And spreading out the earth alone,
Sounds like something someone plagiarized and adjusted.
I would not use text like these that are known to be later additions to the existing Canon
Why would you use "deuterocanonical" writings, when they have "myriads of inconsistencies"?
Remember, Wisdom of Solomon is not an "Old Testament" writing.
It does not belong to the protocanonical writings, and are questionable.
Regardless, though formless does not mean nonexistent, as you acknowledged. Nor does it mean 'was not created'.
Like you said, the pizza needs work even after you slap and roll the dough into shape.
It now need toppings and baking, but it's still your creation, isn't it.
I'm interested to know... How were things viewed, J.
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Trump pardons Giuliani, Sidney Powell, John Eastman, Mark Meadows, all fake electors for their attempt to overturn 2020 election, pardon official says
- By Aryeh Jay
- American Politics
- 3 Replies
So much for draining the swamp, eh?
Just following Biden's example.
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