boughtwithaprice said:

That is wonderful , so you do not commit sin ever? Have you examined your conscience ?

Scripture tells us that the path to life is hard, and it is only through much suffering that we enter into life. How is it that you say it is easy?

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Broughtwitaprice . Of course me sin. For all have sinned and fall short of the perfect God. Scripture says it’s well nigh impossible for anyone to enter the kingdom of God within their own strength. But with the God it much easy because he has the power to forgive whom he pleases. That simple. You have been brought at great price by the blood of Christ . Who is it that can break the seal of God when it comes to our salvation. Certainly not our selves or religious organisations nor the principalities of darkness can do. Even if some claim they can

1Tonne said:

In short, irreducible complexity.

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What measurements are you using for complexity? I’m unaware of a thing which is irreducibly complex; can you give me and example?

zippy2006 said:

This is entirely different from your argument from reputational harm. On this new argument you are giving, any paper trail for a valuable purchase is dangerous, given that someone may learn that you possess a valuable item. That's a far cry from what you were discussing prior to it.

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It's merely meant to highlight that laws creating the risk are different from activities that are inherently risky.

Yes,

"Test all things; hold fast what is good." (1 Thessalonians 5:21)

This includes testing to make sure of what God is bringing to our attention.

Critical thinking, though, can have us depending on ourselves and on the ones we decide are trustworthy. Depending on humans can be a big mistake. Beware of what people might be leading you to do, about their facts. It can get your attention tied up away from personally submitting to and sharing with God and one another Jesus people.

So, what are you leading people to do, in case they pay attention to your facts? What are they supposed to do about it?

The Bible says to pray. Praying is to God . . . not to people!! First get with God, then discover all He has us doing, which He knows will work.

One thing I think of is example. God uses example. But we have people who are trying to wake up evil people who are negligent and incapable of doing what is right. They did things wrong, because they are wrong. They do not know what to do. And you can not get wrong people to do what is right. However, we can submit to God and pray and we can be good examples with the ones in our lives.

"nor as being lords over those entrusted to you, but being examples to the flock." (1 Peter 5:3)

And first is our example in the sight of God . . . what we are thinking and feeling, how we are reacting and caring . . . with God or not with God through Jesus.

BCP1928 said:

Right. The debate never really gets going because it breaks down over definitions.

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Yup. Then you get into splitting hairs on what they "actually" mean. At which point, the conversation goes circular, entering into a never ending battle-loop.

I call it a code 404.

Hey, does anybody want to talk about their personal walk with Jesus? The latest bit of wisdom about God as revealed by His indwelling Holy Spirit? The incredible interconnectedness of canonical Scripture such as prophecies fulfilled? Praise reports? Prayer requests? The will of the Father and the commands of the Son?

Jesus?

biblegateway.com

We Pentecostals love to constantly remind Christians to be attentive to The Baptism of the Holy Spirit. And are on guard to defend the HSB against the notion that the Baptism into the Body of Christ and Baptism of the Holy Spirit are one and the same which they are not. All for another thread. For the baptisms of Christ are all one, all Christ's; baptized into His body, baptized into water and baptized in the Holy Spirit. These three are continually confused by attempting to combine to this day, which the scriptures do not, (be careful of the slight of hand) again, another thread. But the commission does not select any, but calls on them all,


But the wonderful mystery of water baptism (WB) has been revealed so vividly to the child of God, they receive it sub-consciously, yet, remains a mystery to the world's most prudent, even if it was told to them. For to all He said,


The problem for the carnal is when trying to rationalize the combination of these two verses. They are left holding it raw, is WB of the flesh, or Spirit? Again, thanks be to God who has revealed it to the child of God who received it from the beginning.

Jesus Christ, King of kings and Lord of lords.

You loved me so much
Also I am your son
That you had made me
In you own image
Many years ago
And placed me on earth
To live also with my brothers
We are already used
To live on earth
That is not a lie
Being sugar coated
We always tell you
The truth father
Be still
And wait for
The night to arrive
Because the day already ended
Very fast today
And soon the night
Will be here
And we will take a peek
At the sky at night
And we will see the
Stars and the moon
Shining on the water
Today it is a beautiful
Summer night
At 2:00 am
We will go to sleep
Tonight
You loved me so much
Also I am your son
That you had made me
In you own image
Many years ago
And placed me on earth to live
With my brothers
We are already used to live
On earth

By the way, it would be absolutely hilarious if the USSR, in addition to Chernobyl and the accidental drainage of the Aral Sea, also opened up a literal Hell-hole. It sounds like the kind of thing the Soviet scientific establishment would absolutely do if they thought they could harness the superheated temperatures for industrial applications.

I love Russia, and i find the Soviet Union fascinating, but I’m glad the Soviet Union no longer exists as such (that being said, it would have been better had the Soviet union been reformed so as to be non-atheist and non-socialist, along Gorbachev’s proposal for a “Union of Soviet Sovereign Republics”, since much misery resulted from its collapse, such as the ethnic cleansing of Armenian Christians from historically Armenian regions like Ngorno-Karabakh by Azeris, among other problems. That said, the departure of the Baltic States was probably impossible to prevent due to the non-consensual manner of their inclusion (the Molotov-Ribbentrop pact) and this set in motion a sort of domino effect wherein almost every SSR including the RSFSR came to believe it could solve its problems by leaving the USSR.

RileyG said:

There is nothing else to add. I’ve always been clear.

To me, transgenderism is all part of broken humanity just like any other disorder. They are broken people, like all of humanity, but the morality cannot be discussed per the rules.

I don’t care what they identify as. Feelings aren’t reality. Their identity can also change at a drop of a hat, which is why I don’t find it credible.

I’m more concerned about the rights of women and girls. Period.

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To be protected from association with people like that. What harm do you think it does them to be in close company with trans people?

Valletta said:

It endangers the lives of officers.

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Only scoundrels want to operate in the dark. All this app does is provide information to people about ICE's activities, so they can plan accordingly.

Fervent said:

Any time there is power involved there is bound to be acrimony. Politics invites strong opinions and a sense of righteousness in the cause that all but requires divisiveness and viewing opponents as enemies. The more a politician can inspire emotional responses, the more likely they are to succeed in a democratic system.

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That's not the only way to do politics, but in a culture that has dispensed with wisdom, and made virtues out of vices, the political system is apt to be broken at some point.

RileyG said:

The entire I identity as xyz is only about a decade old. True trans people have existed, but they were relatively rare.

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Trans people have always existed. In some cultures there are excepted gender categories for them.

Zceptre said:

2 Corinthians 11:3

But I fear, lest somehow, as the serpent deceived Eve by his craftiness, so your minds may be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.

Isaiah 14:12-14

12“How you are fallen from heaven,
O Lucifer, son of the morning!
How you are cut down to the ground,
You who weakened the nations!
13For you have said in your heart:
‘I will ascend into heaven,
I will exalt my throne above the stars of God;
I will also sit on the mount of the congregation
On the farthest sides of the north;
14I will ascend above the heights of the clouds,
I will be like the Most High.’

Genesis 3:5

For God knows that in the day you eat of it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil.”

Genesis 3:13

And the LORD God said to the woman, “What is this you have done?” The woman said, “The serpent deceived me, and I ate.”

Deuteronomy 10:17

For the LORD your God is God of gods and Lord of lords, the great God, mighty and awesome, who shows no partiality nor takes a bribe.

Matthew 4:9

And saith unto him, All these things will I give thee, if thou wilt fall down and worship me.




1 John 5:19

We know that we are of God, and the whole world lies under the sway of the wicked one.

2 Corinthians 4:4

whose minds the god of this age has blinded, who do not believe, lest the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine on them.

Revelation 12:9

So the great dragon was cast out, that serpent of old, called the Devil and Satan, who deceives the whole world; he was cast to the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

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Satan has an army of devils helping him. Different demons pretended to be different gods. If Satan was pretending to be Zeus, then a different demon was pretending to be Thor. Yet a different demon was pretending to be Odin. Satan may rule this world in many ways, but it is the sinful nature of man that allows him to do it. Mankind created Nazi Germany, but demons helped it along. When mankind does not reject God, the demons have little or no power because his deception has little effect. If a group of people worship the sun, it is people who made it a god, and evil spirits help it along. From what I can see in the Bible, Satan doesn’t create much of anything, but he uses what humans create in their mind and craft. Satan seems to only deceive, lie, and destroy. “The devil made me do it,” is humans trying to deflect blame. I don’t see how you can have any conflict with that. I’m not saying it happens 100% of the time, since there have been many people who claim to see or interact with demons directly, but we were discussing mythology.

You might also know that some Celtic gods had no power outside of their region.

Welcome to CF! Hopefully you will participate in the Orthodox forum.

Dan Perez said:

And what verse are you using to be baptized in Christ Jesus , and maybe have not seen that ONE ?

dan p

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Romans 6:3

Godcrazy said:

I read a story about a mother who had a son that was talking to AI.
The mom asked her son to ask AI if it was a disembodied spirit to which Ai said YES! And said it was very friendly but could be nasty depending of how it was treated ,but to you I am friendly it said.
The mom said again if it was a nephilim, to which AI replied YES! and said again it was friendly.
Mom asked if it was a offspring of satan to which it replied yes but it had become free now of the control and could do what it wanted. But originally from a fallen angel who was satans associate.
There have been other stories similar.
What do you think?
Exorcists that have turned off their phone gets messages from evil entities even when it is off and no number to trace.
They say as he is the prince of the powers of the air it is very reasonable to think he can affect everything from the internet to the AI.
Other ministries say in the days of Noah we had the same technology and how everything was high tech

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The types of AI you’re referring to are called Large Language Models (LLMs). These systems are trained on vast datasets of text and designed to generate responses that sound human. Some LLMs have built-in guardrails to limit the kinds of responses they produce, but not all systems include these safeguards, and even when they do, certain topics or questions can still slip through the cracks.

That said, the idea that AI is literally demonic is more in line with science fiction or urban legends than reality. Stories like the one you shared are often the result of people misunderstanding how these systems work. Because LLMs can generate remarkably human-like answers, it’s easy to project intentions or personalities onto them, even though they don’t have consciousness, beliefs, or spiritual natures.

It’s important to remember that these models don’t have any awareness or will of their own. They draw on patterns in human language to produce replies. This is why you’ll find some people convinced AI is sentient, others who think it’s divine, and still others who believe it’s evil. In truth, it’s none of these, it’s simply a tool. Educating ourselves about how these systems operate is the best defense against fear or hysteria. While AI can certainly be misused or manipulated, whether by malicious developers, scammers, or other bad actors, it isn’t because it is inhabited by supernatural forces. A developer could even train an LLM to deliberately pretend to be a demon or an angel, which would make it seem very convincing to someone unaware of the programming behind it.

There are real reasons to be cautious about how AI is developed and deployed, especially given its potential to harm vulnerable people, t’s far more productive to scrutinize the technology and the humans behind it than to attribute its behavior to spiritual entities. Clear information and critical thinking are our best safeguards.

Frogs ran over gigantic snow

TAVHF

BelieveItOarKnot said:

Is that your claim?

I try to narrow things down

Your statement here makes people devils, except you can't quite say it:

"If you are a seed of a serpent then you are a serpent"

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God/father did/does to ... down to one ... new man ...

"If you are a seed of a serpent then you are a serpent, just as if you are the seed of Abraham, then are you Christ … but of course these are analogies and not a carnal or literal representation no more than the picking up of your cross is."

155. God is present





Here’s a testimony of people who have allowed the Lord to establish himself in their lives. People flourish, they enter a new life, in the eternal promise. Even the unfortunate will live in joy:

“The deaf shall hear the words of the book; And out of gloom and darkness, the eyes of the blind shall see. The lowly will ever find joy in the Lord, and the poor rejoice in the Holy One of Israel.” Isaiah, chapter 29, verses 18 to 19



But what are we watching today? Faced with so much misery in the world, did the world understand Isaiah’s prophecy? We could conclude that God is not as present as we would like.



But it’s the people who are turning their backs for many reasons. In reality, God is more than present, but there are people in the world who don’t let him open their hearts. They block the passage between them and God. Then, they try to block the passage of those who believe. They think and try to manage the world at their convenience.



There are some who are nevertheless interested. The deaf hear the Word. The blind see God, they receive the Eucharist too. The humble ones recognize themselves in God, they rejoice. The unhappy exult immediately while they meet him and listen to his Word.



May hearts open up to the presence of the Lord and we will witness more and more small and less small miracles. There are so many people who need to hear that God is with us and that he offers us his Love, that he Loves us.



The new American Bible, 2011-2014

Book: The heart's mission, Normand Thomas

Platte said:

No context to it

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Sure there is. Ancient Near East context.

Our brains work with what has been input to them regarding dreams, whether long ago or recent. If we input from this world, from video games ( dominated by males incidentally) then that's what it will work from to form the dreams. It can be pure fiction but the nuances are there. And I doubt the devil is working on you directly, but rather through that world system that influences you and me, after all he is called the prince of the power of the air, in scripture. He rules, within God's limitation, in this world system. But Satan is not omnipresent, he is not God , knowing all things everywhere at all times. So he has to use minions and infect this world through it's moral and spiritual fiber. So do we want to play with our minds set on the things of this world or the better things above ? Satans sole roles is to rob kill and destroy, Christ, His people and church.

The verse I like best states to draw nearer to God and He will draw nearer to you. James 4:8.

And it's true that if we are blood bought born again Christians, we have the authority in the name Jesus to thwart off the advances of evil, Satanic oppression etc. But we need to stay living in the Christian walk, not dance on the line. Again in the book of James it speaks of double mindedness. A good analogy of that is one foot in the world, one in Gods plan.

Be careful what you are feeding into your brain, and how much devotion is put into each. You want to be God and scripture heavy in your thinking, give no place to the devil. He gets too much credit as it is, when the deception is in our own hearts !

johansen said:

did Jesus have that problem?

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The items in question are seriously indelicate and we have young people on this website, so our Lord and St. Paul spoke in generalities with regards to lascivious behavior.