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Who then can be saved?

I never knew that God is into traditions, do tell me about it. I've never heard it before. This will be good
:sigh: It was meamt as figure of speech, to oppose "traditions of men". But, yes, God has His traditions, His revealed will, The Greek word for traditions is used in both senses in the bible, as teachings of men, and as teachings/revelation of Christ.
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Israel-Hamas Thread II

The grandiosity stems from the fact that you are thinking in terms of too short a time frame. Islam, on the other hand, thinks in terms of the long term.
The grandiosity is from the chicken little claims in your posts saying NYC was conquered because they elected a moderate leftist Muslim. Adding “unlimited war” whatever that is, don’t make it any more credible.
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B flat B♭

I admit there are thing which I have no answer for, I don't know everything, well not yet.
You have no answer because you cannot bring yourself to say "that could be true; you know more about it than I do."
Your default method is to say that it isn't true and rush off to find a YouTube video to "prove" that people on this forum and all the scientists are wrong.
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Why do people hate ICE...

Interesting. You claim that 5% is many.
Yep.
Yet have no actual numbers.
Yep. Fascists don't put signs outside their organizations, just like Antifa.
We actually have numbers for the BLM numbers
BLM is an organization which who they are. There are many groups, like the Proud Boys that have Fascist ideologies but there are no exact number on how many groups and their membership.
Yet were told consistently how there weren't many riots.
The FBI knows how many riots and how many peaceful protests there were.
Define many.

One is too many for me, but FBI records show that almost all protests were peaceful.
Yet it was more than 5% which you claim is many.
I didn't say that. I said 5% of 1 million is a lot of people, but 5% of 5 people is a small number
The truth is, you dont have any idea how many right wingers are authoritarian racists.
That's correct and you don't know how many left wingers are Antifa, or Socialists, etc.
And we don't know how many leftists are radical socialist communists.
Correct.
So it appears that you don't really have a leg to stand on in regard to that.
Incorrect. The FBI knows that many right wing groups have Fascist ideologies but don't just how many people subscribe to those beliefs.
Now we could go to X, BlueSky, You tube etc and start having a battle of who has more radicals posting
Why? We are on CCF. One radical posting is too "many".
Authoritarian racist things vs radical leftist communist socialist things but thats not very helpful.
Agreed.
I guess we should just leave it at what we can see day to day. And right now, radical leftists are leading due to the violence and rhetoric.
Depends on how one looks at that. The FBI shows that most violence is caused by the right wing radicals. One act of violence is too many, regardless of who does it.
Maybe some day that will change.
Hopefully, and maybe one day stop blowing these events out of proportion and look at things with rational eyes..
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There’s a Giant Flaw in Human History

On the subject of limestone blocks used on the Great Pyramid I asked you this.
"If you think these were done with circular saws then you need to explain their irregular shapes and extreme roughness."

To which you responded.

So the Egyptians were so incredibly stupid given they possessed the technology equivalent of powered tools producing machined surfaces on cut granite but would utilize slower methods such as copper saws on weakened(!?) or softened stone(!?).
Not too different to how we see both the precision vases and primitive knapped knives and tools in the same cultures and sites. Two different signatures showing different methods.

Maybe their were incredibly smark or knowledgable that they knew of several ways to work with hard stones. Thats seems to be what the signatures are saying. You put a ? over weakened stone. This is a possibility and would make an incredible difference and help explain a lot. That makes then very smart that they got around having to spend literally years and years all day long in the hot sun grinding and abraising away hard stone.

They say to be able to complete the Giza pyramid in 25 years it would take cutting and laying a block every 5 minutes 24/7 for 25 years. Thats not counting the inside, subterrainian tunnels and tombs and all the surrounding works like the foundations, pavers, plumbing, waterways, shafts, temples, cemetaries ect ect ect.

Why not find smart ways to deal with all that stone work. If they worked with it so much then surely they would have come to understand how to work with it in all sorts of ways.
Given over 2,000,000 blocks of limestone were produced how much extra time would have been added to the construction time of the Great Pyramid?
Well if they are cutting each and every block then its going to take massively longer than if the stone was weakened. Or they came up with a way to quicken the works. You know the saying work smarter not harder. They had the equivelant brain power.
Frankly what is incredibly stupid are your attempts to explain why the Egyptians produced rough limestone blocks having to rely on a gypsum type mortar as a gap filler given they supposedly possessed the technology of powered tools producing subtle curved profiles on machined surfaces with harder rocks which would have greatly reduced the production time for the limestone core blocks.
This is creating a false analogy. First the tests done show the out layer of limestones were human made and molded. Thats one thing. Not even cutters used full stop. So thats one method. This takes us straight into advanced tech itself. Or tech well outside the orthodoxy. Lets forst acknowledge this and not try and sweep this away.

Second I did not say the inner blocks were molded so your misrepresenting what I said. I said they may have been cut even by a saw if you like. I don't know. Like you said they did not have to worry about looks or quality because it was going to be covered.

It does not follow that somehow because the inner blocks are rough that all methods of cutting blocks had to be rough. They could have had other methods for the quality cutting. The point being the method that created the rough finish cannot create the smooth, sharp and flat finish.

So theres obviously more than one method involved. Your trying to create an either/or of methods. There could have been a rough cutting method for the hidden work, and high quality cutting for finished works. Or as the evidence shows a third option of actually molding the blocks so that they set perfectly into place.

Similar to the evidence found in Sacsayhuaman Fortress Peru. The evidence starts to mount up for alternative and advanced methods for that time.
Funny how these discrepancies disappear given the Egyptians exploited fracture planes of weakness in limestone (and granite) rocks using water soaked wooden wedges relying on expansion to break open the rock. The rock was then roughly shaped with pounders to form a limestone core block or further cut with a copper saw abrasive slurry combination and smoothed with abrasives to form a limestone casing.
Yes thats another way. See how many different ways we can find. But let me clarify. Are you saying all the inner blocks were split and not cut or pounded now. Which is it, pounded, split or cut lol.

As I keep saying there can be more than one method so we can't make it an either/or when it comes to methods. It may not necessarily be that every method was happening at the same time and over 5,000 years some methods will overlap.

I think in the Aswan quarry we can see several methods on the stones and archeologists acknowledge these all don't ccome from the same time or dynasty. In fact some are from the Romans as well.
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Deal Reached To End The Government Shutdown

It was a strange move by the Democrats because they weren't just asking for one thing. The Democrats added new spending in foreign countries for a number of causes that the GOP opposed, besides the removal of wording that closed up loopholes for illegals receiving taxpayer funded health care.
What was the exact wording?
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The Mandami effect

There isn't any evidence of it yet. The "evidence" presented thus far has been a piece or two from right-wing reactionary outlets playing up the significance of a literal handful of people who've expressed interest in moving. When I say "handful," I mean a couple dozen out of a city of 8.5 million.


I didn't know you saw Realtor.com as a "right-wing reactionary outlet". Then again, maybe it's like "fake news" for the left.

In Westchester County, real estate agents Zach Harrison and Heather Harrison of The Harrison Team at Compass tell Realtor.com they've seen a significant uptick in business—at least some of which has been prompted by the impending election.
"While several factors are fueling this resurgence, concerns about the mayoral election keep coming up among buyers from New York. City residents eyeing the suburbs have cited a potential Mamdani victory as a key reason for making their move," they said.
Sales going into contract in Westchester are up about 15% compared with the same period last year, the Harrisons say—making this one of the most visible election-driven shifts in the region’s history.

A 15% YOY increase sounds pretty significant to me (and considerably more than "a couple dozen"). But as I've said all along, none of us knows how this will all play out.
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Bible Recommendations for a Family Member

I have a family member that is going through some trouble. He is in his 20s, has money problems, smokes marijuana, and is expecting a baby with his girlfriend.

I have thought about buying this family member a Bible, but I do not know which one to buy him. I believe his current problems are happening and God is allowing them so that this family member will turn to Christ for salvation.

What recommendations do you all have?

Thanks.
I like the NKJV which is easy to understand. I would also recommend this book


It a story of my pastor, who grew up in a dysfunctional home. His dad was a billionaire, his mom an actress, his parents divorced he was shipped off to military and catholic schools. He ended up dropping out of school and doing drugs living in a cave outside of LA. Someone left a bible in the cave that he started reading and it changed his life (and many others) This was an inspirational story and may help him.

God bless!
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Newsome pushed back against Democracy to achieve his political goals

On the other hand, Newsom is a democrat and therefore probably didn't consider not putting it to a vote.
The 2008 vote to create the independent redistricting committee was a change to the state constitution voted in by the voters. IIRC, the only way to change the constitution (and a few types of law, like tax laws) in California is to put things to a public vote.

[When we Californians get our ballot information on the propositions, some are put on the ballot by signed petitions from voters, others are ratified by the legislature, but must be sent to a public vote.]
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the "blue wave" last night and the government shutdown

Unless the GOP can get some traction regarding the economy and inflation the Blue Wave will be huge in 2026.

The economy and inflation isn't bad, but its not as good as Trumps first term. And inflation sure isn't as bad as under Biden. However, Americans don't care. The midterms will go to the Democrats anyway. It always goes to the party not in power. So if the GOP wants to get somw things done, they need to move quickly. They don't have much time. If you ask.me they are wasting time with this shut down, even though its the Dems fault.
Unlike other issues, neither the media nor political parties can control the economic narrative, especially regarding inflation, because every voter experiences it firsthand. Whether buying gas, shopping, or dealing with job loss, people directly feel the state of the economy, making it impossible for any party to shape this narrative.

As a proponent of free-market capitalist, I believe government intervention only harms the economy rather than improves it. The Trump administration's tariffs have damaged economic growth, and added inflation to stay up, while removing them could help, it may be too late for significant recovery before November 2026.

The GOP is confronting several challenges. Notably, youth voters who supported the GOP in 2024 appeared to shift back to the Democratic Party during the last week election, as did Hispanic voters. President Trump made significant gains among Hispanic voters since 2016; however, results from Virginia and New Jersey indicate that the GOP lost nearly 25% of its Hispanic support in those states. While it remains uncertain whether this trend will continue in other swing states such as Arizona, Nevada, or Georgia, it was evident in New Jersey and Virginia.

Hispanic voters’ decisions were influenced not only by economic concerns and inflation, but also by immigration policies. Exit polls suggest these policies are a deeply personal issue for many Hispanic Americans. Millions of Hispanic American citizens are affected by immigration policy through family members who are not U.S. citizens or permanent residents. Many Hispanic communities are closely connected, often including both documented and undocumented individuals, making their experiences intertwined and inseparable. President Trump’s immigration policies have had a substantial impact on these communities. While some may discuss law and order from a distance, for Hispanic Americans these policies are personal, and they have responded by voting for Democrats in at least three states.

Historically, during mid-term elections, the White House typically loses seats to the opposition party. This pattern has been consistent throughout decades of American politics. The question for 2026 is the extent of losses that the GOP may experience, as well as what developments might occur following that year. If the economy rebounds, President Trump could receive recognition for this change. It remains uncertain whether Hispanic voters or younger will come back to GOP as they did in 2024.
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TRUMP "MISSED THE DEADLINE" TO CALL OFF TX GERRYMANDERING; CALIFORNIA WILL NOW DRAW NEW, MORE “BEAUTIFUL MAPS”

Holy Cow you guys act like this has never been done before by the Democrats.
No we dont.

Gerry mandering has been a thing for a long time in both parties. Except California passed a law against it. I guess they changed their mind huh?
Which party do you expect to voluntarily put themselves at a unilateral disadvantage?

What we all need is for gerrymandering to be illegal across the board.
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Does the Hebrew grammar of Daniel 9:24–27 support Christian Widener’s “double seventy-weeks” interpretation?

Interesting, thank you for posting. I've always thought there was a duel fulfillment just based on what Jesus said in Matthew 24, " Pray that your flight will not take place in winter or on the Sabbath." Which gives the idea theres another instance that WONT be in winter or on the sabbath because, "For then there will be great distress, unequaled from the beginning of the world until now—and never to be equaled again." Which is clearly the tribulation period.
(“and a half of one”) marks a defined midpoint in the week, enabling division into 10½ years + remaining half-week.
Verse 27 does not say "and a half of one" or even "and half a week" it says "in the midst of the week" I highlighted what you're mistranslating

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vaḥăṣî haššāḇûaʿ ... I can see why you think that but you got to look at the root word first which is חָצָה for the word חֵצִי which holds the fundamental meaning of the word and that root word is to divide or "midst". So you can't add to it, when the root implies division (since you ADD to the root word). So I think that fundamentally messes up your conclusion when you expound on it and how it doesnt mean 10 and half a year.
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Pelosi made more than $130 million in stock profits in 37 years, return of 16,930%



One of the most incredible stock picking examples in the history of our country.
Let me know when you get around to holding your own side accountable. Until then it is just more partisan sniping without a desire to change anything.
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Trump campaign officials, led by Rudy Giuliani, oversaw fake electors plot in 7 states

Trump has pardoned them all (but these are all state crimes, so it has very little effect)

Updates: [quotes from individual state wiki pages]

Nevada:
Prosecutors refiled the charges in Carson City in December 2024 to resolve the venue issue. Because the statute of limitations for the filing false instruments charges had expired in December 2023, state prosecutors were not able to initiate a new case on those charges, although the forgery charges have a statute of limitations that is one year longer.

Georgia:
Sidney Powell, Ken Chesebro, Jenna Ellis and Scott Hall pled guilty, receiving years of probation, community service, and 4 figure restitution fines.

The trial for the 15 remaining defendants remained unscheduled while the Georgia Court of Appeals removed Fani Willis from the case and then while the Supreme Court of Georgia chose not to hear her appeal.

Mchigan:
On September 9, 2025, 54-A District Court Judge Kristen D. Simmons dismissed the charges against all 15 remaining defendants. She found that the prosecution had not presented enough evidence that the defendants had intention to commit fraud, as opposed to the ringleaders of the plot, who had not themselves been indicted.

Wisconsin:
In August 2025, the judge denied a motion to dismiss the case

In a civil case, the ten Trump electors reached a settlement with the plaintiffs on December 6, 2023, acknowledging that their votes were cast on December 14, 2020, at the behest of the Trump campaign and the Republican Party of Wisconsin, and were part of an effort to overturn the results of the 2020 election and disrupt the peaceful transition of power

Arizona:
On August 6, 2024, Loraine Pellegrino, one of 11 Arizona Republicans who falsely claimed to be legitimate presidential electors for Donald Trump, pled guilty to one count of filing a false instrument.[46] The deal included 3 years of unsupervised probation and no jail time.
On August 5, 2024, Jenna Ellis reached a cooperation agreement with Attorney General Kris Mayes. Ellis signed the agreement the same day.[48] All charges were dropped, and she must cooperate with the prosecution

New Mexico and Pennsylvania: these states' documents (unlike the 5 above) clearly outlined the slate was dependent on a judgment declaring Trump the winner. No charges were ever filed.
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Trump pardons Giuliani, Sidney Powell, John Eastman, Mark Meadows, all fake electors for their attempt to overturn 2020 election, pardon official says

President Trump has pardoned a long list of political allies accused of trying to overturn the 2020 presidential election, according to Justice Department Pardon Attorney Ed Martin.

A proclamation published on Martin's personal X accountlate Sunday listed 77 people who received "full, complete, and unconditional" pardons, including Rudy Giuliani, former White House Chief of Staff Mark Meadows, and Sidney Powell, a former Trump attorney who spread conspiracy theories about ballot fraud after Trump lost the 2020 election.

The pardons are largely symbolic as none of the names listed were ever charged with federal crimes. Dozens of people listed were charged in multiple swing states that were the center of unfounded claims of election fraud, including Georgia, Nevada, Arizona and Wisconsin.


Nevertheless it continues to send the message -- break the law for me and you get a pardon.

NO MAGA LEFT BEHIND

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The ANE perspective on creation & am I fence sitting?

For a big part of my life I have been confident in the young earth creation model but one thing that has sort of been a sticking point for me is the ancient near east (ANE) interpretation of creation. It was first pointed out to me in talking about day 2 of creation, the idea that the writer is making reference to a solid firmament. It is further reasoned that the people in those days only knew of a flat earth cosmology, so they were just speaking in terms that everyone would understand. Just because they got something wrong does not mean God’s word is not true. It’s not a science textbook after all. And I have thought about this and wondered if there is any validity to it. The other thing that has really captured my attention is ideas surrounding behemoth and leviathan found in the book of Job. I have been persuaded that these are references to dinosaurs until I saw this video of Ben Stanhope’s critique of Answers in Genesis. He makes a compelling argument that these are descriptions of a mythological creature that symbolizes a false god, such as the followers of the Canaanite deity Baal. The comparison may have been a way of showing people that the true God is omnipotent and has no fear of them. And while I may want to entertain the idea that humans lived alongside dinosaurs, it is a weak argument to suggest Job makes mention of it.





It leads me to ask, if I am wrong on these things, what else am I wrong about? Most people who espouse this view about creation week, saying that it was a polemic to the pagan nations who say their gods took part in creation, tend to also be theistic evolutionists. In a wikipedia article “Firmament” it reads,

But one thing I found interesting is that John Hancock believes the ancients did believe the earth was round.


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Maybe the way to reconcile this is to say that philosophers in those days were more split on the issue and many thought it was flat before the time of the Middle Ages.





But if I cede the argument and say it had an ANE context, wouldn’t I be inconsistent to still believe in young earth creationism (YEC)? I have argued before that the Bible is inerrant and infallible and that no contradictions exist, only apparent contradictions. And I do feel in some way it would be a compromise to say that the Bible was wrong about the firmament being a solid dome that separated the heavenly waters above. I understand that the Bible is not a science textbook, but I believe that it has to be right whenever it does talk about science.

Don't try to force-fit the array of biblical literature into a Modern paradigm. Each book of the Bible was written not only by different people, but by people who lived during different ancient eras as well. We can't stuff ancient literature into a 21st century scientific box and expect it to reflect today's Cosmology.

In other words, I accept that the biblical writings are a product of Late Bronze Age and Iron Age paradigms. Moses probably did think the 'world' was fairly young, but even if that's the case, we have to do the hard work of examining those written works in light or their own times and do so with academic rigor. If we do this, we can take the biblical writings as they were intended to be: prophetic utterances, not modern scientific descriptions of the world. If we fail to recognize this, then the introduction of worries over alleged Slippery Slopes begin to creep in like snakes in the dark. But, there's no need to fall for that fallacy...................................................

So yeah, there is an A.N.E. background out of which the biblical writings have to be considered. @Job 33:6 has already referenced some things in his post above for you to engage with for further thought.
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Fr. Josiah On Pornography, and Nick Fuentes

I doubt it. Walsh said the same thing about Israel when America struck Iran in one of his videos which was in summer.
Apparently you're right. I double checked and he did make the comment that "erasing threats to Israel is not America’s job", but he made it in the larger context of his being non-interventionist anywhere in the world. Not necessarily pro- or anti- Israel.
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The auto-pen scandal is going to be massive

This is cute. The current US administration is doing everything in its power to cut back cancer research by billions, as well as cut back pollution standards. They're cancelling mRNA studies when mRNA vaccines could potentially lead to cancer vaccines. The EPA is no longer publishing a mandatory report detailing the amount of climate pollution produced in the US. Guess what happened to the Biden era ruling to limit 'forever' chemicals in drinking water. If you guessed it was reversed in this year 2025, you'd be right. Every guard dog protecting the soil, water and air has been taken out back and shot like it was Kristi Noem's puppy.

There is no bigger friend to cancer and pollution than the current Trump administration. All while paying lip service to the idea of Making America Healthy Again. It shouldn't surprise you to learn who the US chemical industry has been donating a lot of money to. Oh they took away some artificial dyes? That's adorable. How about restoring funding to the research, studies, and agencies they've cut? The agencies that were specifically set up to protect Americans from being poisoned by the industrial complex. The research and studies that are vital to the curing of diseases but were defunded because Fox "News" kept making fun of shrimp on treadmill type "silly" studies. You are being ruled by idiots making the dumbest decisions in pursuit of profits and they will step over your corpse without batting an eye.

So this frequently returning talking point of 'well Trump could cure cancer and libs would still be mad about it' is the epitome of irony. It truly is. You really need to delete this from your repertoire. Honestly I feel vicarious embarrassment whenever it comes up. Like I'm embarrassed for you that you would write this unironically. Trump could post an AI generated video where he goes around like Papa Nurgle spreading a miasma of sickness and death across the land and his sycophants would still claim that's him curing cancer. The administration is lying to you at every turn and you're being deceived by propaganda outlets. They're not looking out for you. They're only looking out for them.
You're making a lot of assumptions about me, and most are wrong
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The End Time Puzzle

What people seem to ignore, is the many things Prophesied to happen before the glorious Return. All of Revelation from Rev 6:12 to 19:11.
All unfulfilled, as yet, the Sixth Seal being the next event we can expect.

They are the Words of Jesus, given to us in a viable sequence. To not take very careful note, is a serious denial of scripture.
Expectation is not the same thing as anticipation.
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