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concretecamper · 2025-11-14T20:30:45-0600

My observation is that Priests today are wayyyyyyyyyyyyy more masculine than those 40-50 years ago

Vambram · 2025-11-14T20:30:27-0600

Servus said:
They didn't know that at the time. The meeting was basically a ruse. Trump Jr, Kushner, and Manafort got duped and nothing of significance took place. What you and others are doing is grasping at straws. Russiagate was supposed to involve a whole lot more than just a couple of insignificant meetings, where nothing actually happened. If that's all a two year investigation came up with, then Russiagate was a nothingburger and mostly a hoax.

This is the reality that progressive left wing liberals are denying.

concretecamper · 2025-11-14T20:28:06-0600

"Illegal immigrants"

PloverWing · 2025-11-14T20:27:54-0600

calicocat said:
Reform Judaism was founded by theistic satanists.

No. Stop. You can throw insults at liberal Christians if you insist (wouldn't be the first time), but do not accuse Reform Jews of being Satanists. You know how that kind of thing ended, last century.

Spiritual Jew · 2025-11-14T20:24:36-0600

Guojing said:
Galatians was written before Paul's final visit to Jerusalem in Acts 21.

That's meaningless.

Guojing said:
If the Israel of God, is us, and he taught us that we are dead to circumcision (Galatians 5:2), then what James and the elders accused him of in Acts 21:18-25 would have been correct.

That is how I know the Israel of God in Galatians 6:16 is not us

This makes no sense whatsoever. Is this all you have? Are you somehow not aware why Paul did what he did in relation to the law of Moses? It was because of what he wrote here, not because he thought he or anyone else was obligated to keep the law of Moses at that point.

1 Corinthians 9:19 For though I be free from all men, yet have I made myself servant unto all, that I might gain the more. 20 And unto the Jews I became as a Jew, that I might gain the Jews; to them that are under the law, as under the law, that I might gain them that are under the law; 21 To them that are without law, as without law, (being not without law to God, but under the law to Christ,) that I might gain them that are without law.
22 To the weak became I as weak, that I might gain the weak: I am made all things to all men, that I might by all means save some. 23 And this I do for the gospel's sake, that I might be partaker thereof with you.

Can you see that Paul did not keep the law of Moses or encourage anyone else to do so because he thought anyone was obligated to do so. He said "unto the Jews I became as a Jew, that I might gain the Jews; to them that are under the law, as under the law, that I might gain them that are under the law" and he did that "that I might by all means save some" and did it "for the gospel's sake".

You didn't address one single thing I said in my post specifically. Why? You should be willing to address any challenges to your doctrine specifically.

Studyman · 2025-11-14T20:22:35-0600

pasifika said:
You need to understand the Sabbath in the new covenant perspective. You still at the old covenant Sabbath understanding. Otherwise you'll miss true Sabbath Rest which is found in Jesus. Read the Galatians warnings.

If a man understands and believes EVERY Word Jesus used to define the Pharisees, he will understand that the Pharisees were not promoting God's Laws, but as the Jesus "of the Bible" taught, the Pharisees taught for doctrines the commandments of men. Truly they "Had a Law", but it wasn't God's Law. When a person accepts this undeniable Biblical Truth, Galatians and Acts 15 are seen in a different "Light".

iarwain · 2025-11-14T20:22:16-0600

Politics should not divide Christians. But there is a battle between Christians and a large group right now that derives their morality from atheist secular humanist thought. That's where a lot of "woke" ideology comes from, and they place that ideology above God's. That's why Charlie Kirk was shot, they thought their morality overrode his Christian teaching.

JustaPewFiller · 2025-11-14T20:20:32-0600

Michie said:
Just like gargoyles on historic Churches. Everyone is always looking at things through their own cultural lense. Art, Scripture, etc. That is the first mistake.

I actually came here to say that the people criticizing this would probably have a conniption fit if they ever toured some of the old churches and cathedrals of Europe and noticed some of the carvings and sculptures

RileyG · 2025-11-14T20:19:41-0600

seeking.IAM said:
I prefer not to say denomination because it is no indictment of them. It could happen any number of places in a shrinking congregation. The setting was a city church in a large city's once thriving neighborhood that had gone seriously downhill and was then infested with prostitution, drugs, and all that comes with it. Most of the former members had moved out and moved on - probably for good reason - all save the diehards who refused to give up. It was sad in one way, yet a few were still doing church in the midst of squalor. So, there was that. For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them.

Ahhhh, gotcha!

RileyG · 2025-11-14T20:18:22-0600

Oompa Loompa said:
I would go as far as the Easter and Christmas Christians. Or people who never go to church or read their Bibles at all, but when asked, they will claim to be "Christian." I believe they are called "carnal Christians."

Yup. I know exactly what you’re talking about.

ARBITER01 · 2025-11-14T20:17:25-0600

Delvianna said:
People use this phrase a lot when there are arguments but for the most part, it looks like people are using it incorrectly, so I thought I'd start off this discussion by expounding on what is, and isn't "dividing the body of Christ".

1. First, let's define the word "dividing".
Dividing means to separate. I mean, that's as plain as it can get lol. If you divide an apple in half, you are cutting into two pieces. It is no longer whole, it is divided.

2. Now, what is the body of Christ?
It's a metaphor used by Paul in 1 Corinthians 12 and Romans 12 to describe the Church as a whole. All believers in Jesus, united under one head of leadership. We can get more nuanced with this but let's just leave it as, anyone who follows Christ in faith. So regardless of denomination, race, or background.

3. Dividing the Body of Christ
So instead of unity (one body) all following Christ, you have division. Examples of this are:

A) Breaking unity over non-essentials like: "I follow Paul" or "I follow Apollos" (1 Corinthians 3:4).

B) Promoting False Doctrine (Galatians 5:7-10, Romans 16:17, 1 Corinthians 1:10)

Gossip or slander (Proverbs 6:16-19, Proverbs 16:28, 2 Corinthians 12:20) But there is a difference between "quarreling" and debate. The motive for quarreling is often pride (James 4:1) and can be over arguments that are "foolish" in nature (Titus 3:9) because the outcome ruins "good hearers" (2 Timothy 2:14 and 2 Timothy 2:23). The Motive for a debate is restoration by correction which can have a fruitful outcome when someone is corrected.

4. So if promoting false doctrine is considered dividing the body, what is NOT dividing the body?

Rebuke: Correcting a person in error by holding them accountable, correcting behavior and correcting scripture. (Matthew 18:15, Luke 17:3, 2 Timothy 4:2, 1 Timothy 5:20, Titus 1:13)

If someone is preaching something false, that's already divided, but debating someone or even getting into a heated debate, isn't dividing, it's actually an attempt at becoming whole again where both people can agree. THAT is unity. So I think people need to be careful that just because 2 people are having an argument/debate, doesn't necessarily mean division, when scripturally speaking its a step towards unity (depending on context of course).

Denominations are already scripturally divided and we should duke it out more often so we can come together in unity of belief instead of attempting to pacify the debate with a chastisement of "dividing the body of Christ" which is only preventing us from actually being whole and keeping us divided with "you interpret it this way, I interpret it this way" and leaving it in that divided state. That's not helping, thats encouraging continued true division.

So within this context, can we stop throwing that phrase around and continue debating so we can become a unified front instead of a fractured one?

Now, within that spirit, feel free to debate me.

1Co 12:13 For by one spirit we are all immersed into one body.....

The universal blood bought body of Christ is not divided. It might have differing levels of maturity, but that is by design.

Hans Blaster · 2025-11-14T20:12:54-0600

stevevw said:
Some of the grifters are well know. Is that not an appeal to consensus or authority. This does not follow that everyone I link falls into that catergory.

None of the cranks you cite were known to me before these threads started. (And none has any "authority" to appeal to.) Dunn wrote a crank book on pyramid power, so he may be better known among monitors of crank Egyptology, but I'd never heard of him.

stevevw said:
You have never actually provided any evidence and just stated this with your own mouth and the words that feel out on the page lol.

I use my fingers to type as I can write without speaking it out loud.

stevevw said:
Am I suppose to just agree with that. I could myself be falling for a grift lol.

Awareness is the first step.

Let me ask you a question. Why are there so many people making a big deal about "precision vases" with all of these "projects" and dozens and dozens of YT videos. The whole thing is a rather minor aspect of a single period in Egyptian history. They pale in comparison to the development of writing and the early texts, the examinations of the lifestyle through material culture, the overall contents of grave goods, the development of pyramids. Compared to these, the brief period of precision vase manufacture is rather insignificant, so why are these amateurs so interested in it?

stevevw said:
Thats my point that most of this is assumption and heresay and personal opinions. Its not in the realm of scientific fact.

And explaining to you that the criteria for what you regard as crifters or whackos is itself a particular epistemics based on an ontological belief about what counts as evidence. I don't think there is any science or fact in what your claiming.

Thats not to say there we can tell through a detailed assessment and analysis of what is said. But you have not done this. Its become a stop gap objection and fallacy to call on whenever somethinmg does not fit your worldview.
I doubt that. You would not equate all these people as grifters and whackos if you did. I can tell. When someone from the first couple of pages of a book of threads thats trying to establish what is knowledge. Then from the strat makes tars all alternative knowledge as whacko then they are already showing their bias before we have actually gone into the content.

When I hear a lot of language along those lines and a lot of ad hominems and little engagment into the context. Then I know and its actually obvious independently that there is at least a degree of bias because the weight of fallacies is unjustified. So yes there are ways you can tell griters. Don't think that the skeptics cannot grift and push their own conspiracies lol.
Yes that may be a small portion. But it actually is like that in reality. When a new or alternative idea that ends up being correct is first proposed its treated as conspiracy or pseudoscience at first. In some ways thats science. Look at the fights some have over the BB and other theories. Or consciousness. They even call each others scientific proposals as whackery when they actually use the same science.
Actually what I am basing the whole skeptics verses conspiracy making and everything in betyweem on the science. On behavioural sciences. On the psychology you referred to earlier which is my expertise and not yours. Like I ackowledged you know more about physics. You should now ackowledge I know more about the psychology and socialogical patterns of behaviour that go into this.

Its not as simple as one side = epistemic truth and the other false. Even science itself can be used as an epistemic beating stick to deny other forms of knowledge. Including the ploy of making out all altenative knowledge that does not conform to scientific material epistemics and ontologies is pseudoscience or grifting.

stevevw said:
All I know is the very thing (that the pyramids are some sort of energy producer" that you claimed Dunn was a whacko for suggesting such. Has been verified by independent studies. So you automatically labelled his idea as whacko when it was actually correct.

It hasn't. We've gone over that study before, it does not say what you think it does, nor what the pyramid power people want you to think that it does.

stevevw said:
Thus expsoing your bias, your beliefs and asumptions that creep in and distort how you see this whole issue.
So what if some of those skeptics are themselves grifters who go through social media sites looking to save the poor unaware who are being fooled. With the epistemic truth. Thus creating their own religion of saving the religious or fools who are falling for such ideas.

I have no use for religion. That I would wan't to create one is a vile falsehood.

stevevw said:
I think the truth lies somewhere in the middle. At the moment you tar all such ideas as pseudoscience and I just showed you how you did that wrongly to a good man in Christopher Dunn with 50 plus years of the fields he is addressing.

I don't know if Dunn is a good man or not. It really depends on if he is a true believer or just a second rate con.

stevevw said:
You throw all that into the box of pseudoscience and grifters. That in itself is very telling of a personal belief and not facts.
No you havn't. We got ito the vases and that was the only specific item we got into deeply. At the very least this is ongoing. BUt you have already made up your mind.

I give them their due moment, but once they cross the threshold, I don't relent. I gave "Dr Max" and "Karoly" their chances, but no more for reasons given in earlier posts.

stevevw said:
We are beginning to touch on the many signatures of saw cuts but we have yet to establish anything. Another assumption that everything must then fall into pseudoscience before its investigated.

I don't recall discussing saw cuts, or at least not recently.

stevevw said:
The images I linked which showed obvious out of place examples was ignored for most of this thread or dismissed as pseudoscience without any investigation. I think the majority of this thread has been on fallacies and especially ad hominems and not actually on content.

Out of place examples of what?

stevevw said:
Hum, like I said this started from the very beginning and has just got worse. That you want to discuss that the sources are all grifters and pseudoscience and not the content or label all of Dunns work as whacko is the problem.
There you go you just admitted it. You label Dunns work as equalivelant to a podcast. You cannot seperate out the facts from the podcast thats hosting it. You assume everything presented is pseudoscience.

Which is surely an unfounded assumption as I don't think you have even had the time or bothered investigating these proposals properly (Dunns pyramid energy hypothesis).

It is ridiculous on the face of it. I know I've read some about it in the past, but it isn't worth sorting out so that I can explain how wrong it is to you only to have you ignore everything I say. My dismissiveness is proportional to your resistance to learning why these things are so silly.

stevevw said:
In fact the reality is I have not mentioned anything about (aliens/lost civ/Atlantis) or anything magical.

The sources you quote certainly believe is some of those laughable things even if they try to keep it from your view.

stevevw said:
Rather it is you and others who are making it so over and over and over again. You have used this narrative that many times that you cannot see that you are creating the false dichotomy of aliens and Atlantis vesrse proper science lol. When its far more complex and varied than that.

I bring it up because I want to understand who these people are and how stupid their foundations actually are. Last weekend I watched this video from Karoly's podcast

stevevw said:
But you have created a strawman to begin with based on the above reasoning and facts actually of what actually haooens and not what ideal you are subjective determining as the case. What if people challenge your premise to begin with.

What if? It is al you have done.

stevevw said:
Ok sorry I must have missed it. Not on purpose. Just having so many posters to respond to. I will go back and answer it specifically. I will leave this section and respond to the rest seperately.

I look forward to that.

RocksInMyHead · 2025-11-14T20:12:33-0600

ThatRobGuy said:
A lot of what the IRS gets is through "administrative summons" which is not through a judge...

In the case of a John Doe summons, per the articles you linked, this is incorrect:

However, to safeguard taxpayer privacy and prevent abuse, the IRS must obtain court approval before issuing a John Doe Summons.[9]

CoreyD · 2025-11-14T20:05:25-0600

2PhiloVoid said:
It partially IS by consulting what people say. The trick, though, is that whichever critical thinking skills are involved, or whatever epistemological framework is being assumed, ultimately "faith comes by hearing" rather than solely by being filled with some indiscernible magical feeling that one has "the Truth." And that hearing has to be caused by the voice [or the writing] of another Christian.

Thank you. That's a great scriptural reference - Romans 10:17 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God..
That's how it has been for centuries, from Moses, until now.

It doesn't look like the Bible is being consulted on that, though.
Feelings take president more these days.

One person said to me...

Christs true followers are small, apostasy is rampant. People like to think that every single person who claims the name of Christ automatically means they are his sheep and we know from scripture that is not the case.

Yet, they follow up with...

If you want to learn the truth, Learn it from Christ himself.

The scriptures repeatedly say that listening to Jesus involves listening to his followers. Mark 6:11; 1 John 4:6

We are from God. Whoever knows God listens to us; whoever is not from God does not listen to us. That is how we know the Spirit of truth and the spirit of deception.

Christ ordered them to preach. Acts 10:42 The reason is given in the scriptures. 1 Timothy 2:3, 4; Matthew 7:21-23
Yet as you said, and this is very much evident, "being filled with some indiscernible magical feeling that one has "the Truth."" is the backbone of most of the responses here.

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The highlight of the mission was the booster catch (see short 90 second video). It looked like they were going to miss the droneship by a full 50 yards. But then corrected themselves for a successful landing right on the middle of the landing platform. It looked like welding sparks at the very end securing themselves to the platform.
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BelieveItOarKnot · 2025-11-14T19:43:33-0600

Clare73 said:
The natures of divine life, angelic life and human life are not the same.

When discussing "eternal life" and "immortal life" they are technically identical

Your claim differentiated these states and your response didn't seem to pick up on the logic flaw

Tom D · 2025-11-14T19:43:23-0600

peaceful-forest said:
This might sound crazy or stupid, but I actually used to have time to do my job accurately and without the anxiety I experience now. Now, it's all about "rush, rush, rush", "meet your goal", "money, money, money". Our work is closely monitored now. I (and others) actually have to calculate when to go to the bathroom so we're not accused of taking too long on a task. Have you ever heard of such a thing happening in the workplace? This is something you would expect in a Communist country.

I've desired to do something with Linux for some time. I don't know how I would go about that. When I look for Linux jobs, they want knowledgeable people with schooling. I do not ever want to go back to college again. American colleges are scams and you can't do anything with your degree. I've tried twice to get a good job with college, it doesn't work.

If I could make money off of my writing, I would do it.

Don't resign yet, think twice before you do so, considering that the economy is not in good shape.

Did you mean you are so tightly monitored that even your bathroom times are recorded?

Writing? That might be a good idea, I wish I could write well (but I don't).

Tigger Boy · 2025-11-14T19:26:40-0600

Hentenza said:
Ecclesiastes 12:7 then the dust will return to the earth as it was, and the spirit will return to God who gave it. | New American Standard Bible

Hentenza said:
This is about as clear as it gets. The body returns to dust and to the earth while the spirit (soul) returns to God. You can’t deny the plain reading.

Hentenza you are so right, in that the texts is very clear. However, most of christianity get it wrong including you, sorry. I had too, early in my christian walk. Why are so many deceived on this issue, because most have been mislead from early childhood before they were old enough to study their bibles. Mislead by parents and pastors giving eulogies at funerals.

In your above statement Hentenza, after the word spirit, you insert the word soul, because you and most others think spirit is synonymous with soul. I have been trying to show you it is not, which is not easy when someone gets settled on a belief. So lets look at a few more texts for clarity on what this spirit actually is.

"The body without the spirit is dead" (James 2:26)
"The spirit of God is in my nostrils" (Job 23:3)
"The Lord formed man from the dust of the earth and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and man became a living soul' (Gen 2:7)

It is not the word "soul" that is synonymous with spirit, but rather the phrase "breath of life", according to the bible.

And as I have been sharing with you in past post, a "soul" is the combination of two elements, body + breath of life. Thus a soul is a living individual. Gods Word teaches that we are souls--not that we have souls. Therefore, upon death, a living individual/souls body returns to the earth and the spirit/breath of life returns to God, and the individual/soul ceases to exsist in life and sleeps in the first death until they are called to life again in either the first of second resurrection.

This teaching is affirmed in (Ecc.9:5,6,10; Psalm 115:17)"The living know that they will die, but the dead know nothing...", "The dead do not praise the Lord"

"For David did not acend into the heaven" (Acts 2:29,34)

"Only God is immortal" (1 timothy 6:15,16) The concept of an undying immortal soul is not found in the bible, which teaches that that souls are subject to death.

Jesus called the unconscious state of the dead, sleep in (Jn.11:11-14)

I have brought you and all others who may read this thread to a cross road in your undrerstanding of a soul. Will you continue on the broad road you have been traveling or will you take the less travel road through the narrow gate? Your faith in God's Word or lack thereof, will determine your path.

Blessings

Robban · 2025-11-14T19:17:24-0600

jonojim1337 said:
From Wikipedia:

“No excavations are allowed on the Temple Mount, and no positively identified remains of the destroyed temple have been found.”

May I suggest to you the First temple was never in Palestine.

That is not what the thread is about, it is about Pharisees.

And I myself never use wiki.

Bradskii · 2025-11-14T19:10:40-0600

Landon Caeli said:
“People that are against Tariffs are FOOLS! We are now the Richest, Most Respected Country In the World, With Almost No Inflation, and A Record Stock Market Price. 401k’s are Highest EVER. We are taking in Trillions of Dollars.

Trump should reduce the tariffs. They're causing food prices to rise.

MAGA: Reducing them is a terrible idea. Just listen to Trump.

Donald Trump moved to lower tariffs on food imports, including beef, tomatoes, coffee and bananas, in an executive order on Friday as the White House fights off growing concerns about rising costs. Trump reverses course and cuts tariffs on US food imports

MAGA: Reducing them is a great idea. Just listen to Trump.

Ain't Zwinglian · 2025-11-14T19:00:53-0600

Valletta said:
thousands of denominations

Typical go-to argument. How many thousands? Tens of? Hundreds of? And where is this listing? And is this listing only believed by whom?

Bradskii · 2025-11-14T18:53:01-0600

essentialsaltes said:
Deceptive Daily Caller headline. Mayor describes closing stores as one of the ills of private grocery stores, leaving food deserts behind, so her proposal is to create public grocery stores.

"We cannot allow" these ills to affect the people of the city. Hence, an alternative.

Her proposal for a 90-day warning for grocery stores to have mass layoffs only makes sense in the context of grocery store closures.

Impressive. It normally takes a few posts before these type of threads are 'corrected'.

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