Transfiguration is, to me, the Exodus, greek for The Road Out.

Peace to all,

You are correct.

I cannot find any text that says we receive an incorruptible, immortal body or spirit from the church so I retract my statement.
I will search better next time before I post.
I will be careful in the future what I post on the teachings I refer to in the Bible.

Peace always,
D Stephen
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Healing/blessing Testimonies Unbiblical?

I agree, we should be careful when sharing healing or our testimonies. It can be very much about "look at me." I was in a men's group, where we took turns sharing our testimonies. Some people were very reluctant and hesitant in sharing (These tended to be the most uplifting testimonies.) Others would vie to not only tell all about their lives and the hardships within them, but would request to tell them again and again. Obviously they enjoyed doing so.
Our egos are ever present and I think we need to truly consider our motivations, before we speak.

You can tell it when ego is involved.

I think anointing is also a very strong factor. Speaking to an audience is special gift. This gift comes along with heightened sensitivity to the feelings of other people, empathy, etc.

Skill is one thing. Many people gets their theology doctorates and gets to preach. But the anointing have no worldly equivalent.

It's not a bad thing. We're not all blessed with the same gifts. Just not all of us don't have the anointing to speak to an audience and may end up doing more harm than good.
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Trump rally in Democratic Strong hold

How are you supposed to tell just from looking at the attendance at a rally?
When I go to an Iron Maiden concert, it is amazing, thousands of Iron Maiden fans all around you, singing, laughing, having fun. Very hard to find anyone that is not an Iron Maiden fan, but then you go away from the concert venue and into the city and it is hard to find any Maiden fans.

Do you see how that works? Certain people flock to a specific location because something is there that interests them. They aren't a representation of the area, that spot gets overwhelmed with that certain type of person.

Anyway, most people that vote for a president, don't actually go to political rallies.
Iron Maiden? Aren’t they in their late 60’s and 70’s now?

Perhaps it is hard to find Iton Maiden fans because they really have not been popular for two decades or more. Are they still alive?

But thanks for your opinion.
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Why believing conspiracy theories corrupts your Christian witness

Surprising how many people are utterly gullible and easily led to believe in such nonsense as a flat earth, the moon having its own light source, fake moon landings etc etc...

The Christian ones twist and contort scripture to suit their extremely wild and fantastical interpretation of God's word.
Praying to saints is not gullible?
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The modern blind church and Job.

In the honest assembly, we do not crush him into dust with our judgment , YHVH Willing.
Rather, as YHVH Reveals , we read and receive and discuss - talk about , always with our single purpose being Jesus.
Yes and note that they didn't try to heal Job or cast out his sickness. God had to heal Job himself
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Another look at the moon landing.

Flay earthers, moon with its own light believers,

Lol'z -The moon does have it's own light.

King James Bible
And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also

God didn't make a reflector :tearsofjoy:
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How to humble yourself like a little child?

Little kids are teachable. Similarly, we should be like little kids before our heavenly Father.


Being teachable is definitely a helpful quality to have. It helps us to get along better in this world. But to humble ourselves as a child is to realize that without the teaching of what is true we will become more like the world and less like Jesus. The objective of a Christian is to become less like the world. Not like those in the Laodicean church who had one foot in heaven, while keeping one foot in the world enjoying their blessings.


Because thou sayest, I am rich, and increased with goods, and have need of nothing; and knowest not that thou art wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and naked: Revelation 3:17


A Christian therefore needs to humble himself — not by reverting back to being wretched, miserable, poor, blind and naked — but to know that without Christ in us ruling over us by His Word and His Spirit, that is all we can ever be by our own strength. When He gets around to judging our works we’ll see just how much of our own strength we really had. We make ourselves to be humble as a child when we realize we are dependent on God’s strength for everything. Not just for our justification, but also for our sanctification.


For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast. For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them. Ephesians 2:8-10


Being like a child is to have little strength of our own. We don’t have to make ourselves to have little strength of our own, we’re already there. But our knowing that; we’re not so much there.
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Understanding the Trinity

There's a qualitative difference between physics and maths (and biology and chemistry etc.) and the Trinity. For a start no one is claiming they are three persons in one or attributing them with supernatural powers. While you (and I) may not understand science beyond the basics we know enough to be aware there is a rational explanation for sciencey concepts, and that science produces empirical results.

Putting that aside - thank you for making the effort to explain the unexplainable. This thread appears to have upset/irritated a few posters so I will allow it to die quietly.

I had considered a separate post on the subject of understanding the point of the crucifixion - another concept I've never understood. I've decided to avoid the topic given the reaction this thread has produced. I suspect that any questioning around the crucifixion will result in me being metaphorically hung, drawn and quartered.

OB
Hey Occams. Came across this short video by Billy Graham and thought of this tread. Though certainly not a thorough answer to your question, it does perfectly answer why the Christian appreciates the Person of the Holy Spirit as being distinct from the God/man Jesus Christ as far as enabling fellowship with God.

God bless.

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The New and Improved No-Straw-Man Challenge

In theory, the same ones Jesus stopped (review the Gospels) in His earthly ministry. As Jesus put off divinity and operated as a man on the earth, trained his disciples, and gave them no slack. When Jesus walked on water, he commanded Peter to do likewise - and that worked until Peter lost focus.
Practically, how can a church stop a man who wants to rape a woman? Or tell a lie? Or steal a pen?
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SC Senate Passes Bill Banning Affirmative Care For Minors

So kids in the USA will have to travel to Europe to get the care that they (may) need?
How nice for those who can afford that!
Well, they would have to be accepted into the program first. Don't forget that only a few actually get into the programs. Just because a child says they are trans doesn't mean they get into the research program.

The US has no such research programs and should. But they won't as long as they keep the Affirmative Care Model. Once they ditch that, then maybe a research clinic will open up. Just remember just because there is one doesn't mean every child who says they are trans will be accepted. The rest will just have to undergo therapy until they are 18.
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Kid's Corporal Punishment - a Risk to Mental Health

Actually you did not qualify that in those quotes I linked.
I have explained, repeatedly, in this thread, that by "hierarchy" as a value underpinning abuse, we are essentially discussing dominance hierarchies; relationships of control.
But as I keep saying your creating a logical fallacy that because abuse happens within a hierarchy that hierarchies must be an inherently abusive situation.
No, that is not what I am saying, at all. I am saying that relationships of (unnecessary) control, which is what many hierarchies are, are inherently abusive.
No one is disagreeing that hierarchies can become abusive. Its the idea that because they can become abusive therefore all hierarchies underpin abuse.
Hierarchy - control of one person by another - as a value and ideal which normalises relationships of power and control, do underpin abuse.
So it is infact ideologies that flasely blame hierarchies as inherently abusive and then trying to dismantle natural, healthy and productive hierarchies just because their hierarchies is what will cause the breakdown of society, of organisation and systems that run society and have been sucessful.
I would want to critique the idea that relationships in which one person controls another unnecessarily are ever "healthy."

I see your sentence above as essentially saying, "We have to tolerate some abuse (control) for the sake of social order." And I profoundly disagree.
Now does that sould like its promoting abusive and violent control.
I would want to see the link so that I can read the quote in context. I suspect they are not talking about dominance hierarchies in the household.
I'd say because they are so common that hierarchies are less often used for abusive control but often used for non abusive control.
And how do you define the difference between abusive and non-abusive control?
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Absolute proof.. can't deny.. the earth is flat

As I have said before, work done by employees at NASA is done by a need to know basis.

Only those at the top of the game really know what the score is.
Is there a difference between making stuff up (as you are clearly doing) and telling a lie?
Honest question. How do you think this affects your witness as a Christian?
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President Biden and Democrats have a plan for American energy: make it harder to produce and more expensive to purchase

...the higher costs of fuel which is also a significant influence in overall inflation.
At least you realise that the 'significant influence' you mention isn't controlled by whomever is in the WH. Your point actually is reducing the blame apportioned to the current administration for a large chunk of the inflation figures. Saves me making it, I guess.
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Why are Quakers considered Anabaptist?

Scholars of religion usually consider Anabaptists and Quakers part of the "Radical Reformation", along with Unitarians, but the groups are not necessarily organically related.

Quakers actually came out of the English Puritan movement, a group called Spiritualists. The Spiritualists emerged around the English Civil War, which was a period where a variety of radical religious groups were springing up (the Diggers and the Levelers, who believed in land redistribution and egalitarianism). Early Spiritualists were agnostic on the religious questions of their day among Puritans (mostly around baptism and the order of worship) and became spiritual seekers, rejecting outward forms of religion, hence the name. Eventually, they gravitated around preachers like George Fox, but its not likely that Fox would have had much of a following if it wasn't for the wider Spiritualist movement within Puritanism.

Mennonites and Anabaptists have quite distinct origins, actually being more influenced by the early Swiss Reformation under Hyuldrich Zwingli (though Zwingli later went on to attempt to suppress their teachings, which were more radical than his own).

The "peace church" designation is more of an American or English term. The stance against warfare is simply an extension of pre-Constantinian Christian ethics, and is by no means uniform or without nuance. In reality, early groups like the Anabaptists in their confessions affirm the right of the state to have a monopoly on violence for just purposes- they just believe it isn't the calling of the Church to be part of it.


Likewise, while Quakers have a widespread peace testimony, they also rely upon individual conscience, and there have been individual Quakers that have chosen to participate in war.
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The Righteousness of Job

Elihu probably wasn't chastised because he was right about Job.
Do we ever talk about Jobs family and friend's? Why do we always talk about Job instead? Why do we crush him into dust with our judgment? If your best friend gets sick and his family dies will you say it's because your friend sinned?

The church is blind because of its sin of division and worldly politics. They sleep and are sick as scripture says. God blinded the church like Israel because they followd the same path of folly that Israel did. They boasted against the branches but they didn't learn from Israel's example as Paul teaches us.
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Virginia school board votes to restore Confederate names to two schools

Forgiveness does not require honoring and memorializing them.

Then it can also be said that it is not your right to forgive or not forgive. That right has always been with those who experienced it. Like I have no right to say I don't forgive Afonso de Albuquerque for conquering Malacca in 1511. Firstly my first Chinese forefather hasn't landed in the Malay Peninsular and secondly Malaysia today has move forward. We even kept some relics from the Portuguese like the A Famosa in present day Malacca. In fact we are proud to have it around and we maintain it well.
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Questions on Intercession of the Saints

God cannot be confined to a book, and is Himself the final authority rather than even His Word.
That's a handy disclaimer. But authority is presented in words. The Nicene Creed is words. The Catechism of the Catholic Church is words. So the matter is, whose words carry the most authority.
The two I mentioned followed an Arab theologian, who taught the Quran was the authority, and became great advocates of Sola Scriptura. I know it's not going to be accepted by those who promote Sola Scriptura, thus the word "apparently."
It's not going to be accepted by anyone who goes by evidence rather than hearsay. Personally I'm not an adhearent to sola scriptura. But I do believe the words of God, what He said to the Prophets etc, and what Jesus said, and what the Apostles said, have the greatest authority of all the words spoken to and by the Church of Christ.

Priests today are of the order of Melchizedek. Recall Melchizedek offered mere bread and wine. Our Lord offers His Body and His Blood under the outward appearance of bread and wine. Priests under the New Covenant, the Covenant which is the Body and Blood of Our Lord, are priests of the order of Melchizedek. The new fulfills the old.

Psalm 110:4
4 The Lord has sworn
and will not change his mind,
“You are a priest for ever
after the order of Melchiz′edek.” RSVCE
Which is known of and established through the Word of God.
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