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rusmeister · 2025-11-23T00:55:30-0600

Chesterton said:
When you're getting flak, you know you're over the target.

Agreed. And I have no personal experience with any "Orthobro" problem. Our congregation looks like a meeting of the U.N. We have folks representing every continent and color on Earth. Even Middle Earth (a Kiwi, lol).

Well, there IS a Russian version of the “Orthobros”, and they are those that seek to venerate Stalin and dream of the Russian Empire (or of a “Christianized Soviet Union”), and tend to identify Orthodoxy with “Holy Rus”. For years I stood in our parish consciously aware that I was a walking rebuke to that attitude, that a representative of their Cold War enemy was standing among them and worshiping with them.
That’s all gone with the wind, now, though.

CoreyD · 2025-11-23T00:42:32-0600

concretecamper said:
Of course Truth can be known. Christ promised that the Paraclete will be with His Church forever.

John 14:16 And I will ask the Father: and he shall give you another Paraclete, that he may abide with you for ever:
14:17 The spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, nor knoweth him. But you shall know him; because he shall abide with you and shall be in you.

Thank you for that point.
So, do you agree that those seeking truth can find it through Jesus' followers whom he guides by holy spirit?

How do these ones hear, listen, and follow?
Romans 10:13-15

13 For everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.

14 How can people have faith in the Lord and ask him to save them, if they have never heard about him? And how can they hear, unless someone tells them?

15 And how can they preach unless they are sent? As it is written: How beautiful are the feet of those who bring good news.

Would you agree or disagree that it is by

listening to those Jesus sends to preach the good news;
examining the scriptures to see if these things are so; Acts 17:11
accepting and applying what they are taught... if it aligns with the scriptures Acts 17:12

?
Can we not therefore use the scriptures to come to know truth... with the help of those Jesus sends?

Did I not speak correctly in line with the scriptures?

The scriptures repeatedly say that listening to Jesus involves listening to his followers. Mark 6:11; 1 John 4:6
We are from God. Whoever knows God listens to us; whoever is not from God does not listen to us. That is how we know the Spirit of truth and the spirit of deception.

partinobodycular · 2025-11-23T00:34:18-0600

I don't know if the internet is the cause, but I find it almost impossible to watch more than 10 or 15 minutes of a movie or tv show before I have to find something else to do. Yet I'd watch YouTube! shorts for hours if I'd let me. I've got the attention span of a three year old.

David Lamb · 2025-11-23T00:34:09-0600

Brother Del said:
I've requested that my account be deleted. If you found these links and videos etc useful, you may want to save them to pass along after I'm gone. I don't know if they will be available later.

I came here for fellowship, as I'm single and live alone and don't know any believers or have a good church at this time.

This is one of the most unwelcoming, unkind, unloving and judgmental environments I have ever experienced. And not just this particular thread.

There are some wonderful, sincere and genuinely humble and loving Christians here, I just haven't met enough of them to justify my stay.

Thanks for the kind words.

Much love. Much peace.

Yah alone be praised.

I hope you will not think that just because other posters here disagree with your belief about the shape of the earth, they must be unloving towards you. I am sure (because she has said so) that Apple Sky considers me as a Christian friend, as I do her, even though she and I don't agree on such things as the shape of the earth, whether the moon landings took place, the nature of Antarctica, and so on. I hope you will reconsider your decision to leave Christin Forums.

DragonFox91 · 2025-11-23T00:28:33-0600

"Be holy for I am holy"

That is never popular

CoreyD · 2025-11-23T00:21:28-0600

concretecamper said:
Listen, you're not going to get anywhere with her. Her belief is that unless you can ALWAYS choose right, you don't have free will. Of course that is a bogus belief, but it's the way she sees it.

I'm not talking to @Clare73. That was @childeye 2 I was addressing.
I asked Clare a question, and until she answers, she isn't communicating with the OP, and the OP has said his final words on that.

I thought you were finished.
I hope you aren't here to give anyone a reason to fill the thread with meaningless posts.
You don't want people who visit the thread to have to dig through a pile of nothingness.

The thread can remain small, without extending it needlessly with someone repeating words they have no support for, and where they aren't interested in conversating.

Yarddog · 2025-11-23T00:11:21-0600

RDKirk said:
They executed guards and soldiers who violated what was already international law treaties that Germany had ratified. In other words, they had violated the laws of their own nation.

If a US soldier obeys a law that is declared illegal only after the fact, he will not be prosecuted.

So since it's illegal to use excessive force in the US, Navy or Coast Guard personal can be prosecuted for deliberately killing alleged criminals in speed boats?

johansen · 2025-11-23T00:07:15-0600

there is already a thread on this

Yarddog · 2025-11-23T00:04:26-0600

Fervent said:
Seems you're presenting a false disjunctive. Why should we have to choose?

I didn't propose it. I just which since you asked

johansen · 2025-11-22T23:58:02-0600

we could be around the end times now, just due to the numbers.
only about 2% of men ages 13 to 45 are virgins, and 144K male christian (as in, righteous jews who listen to the spirit of God) is about what i would expect there to be out of 8 billion people on earth. -followed by a great multitued of about 2% of the rest of the planet or around 100 million.

RandyPNW · 2025-11-22T23:44:03-0600

The Liturgist said:
Yes, clearly: fasting for 40 days is possible but uncomfortable, as any Orthodox Christian will tell you. Hence the devil tempting Him.

Insofar as Christ is God incarnate, after He put on our fallen nature in order to redeem and glorify it He would have been vulnerable to any and all forms of human suffering up to and including death, and this is reflected in the Creed.

The rejection of the idea of suffering on the part of Christ is the characteristic belief of Docetism and the related Nestorian and Apthartodocetist belief systems, which separate the divinity of Christ from His human prosopon hypostatically, which means you have one divine person united to the man Jesus only by a shared will.

The latter belief system began to emerge in the writings of Diodore of Tarsus, was expounded upon by Theodore of Mopesuestia and then adopted by Nestorius as a means of justifying his attempt to suppress, with force, the use of the traditional title “Theotokos” found in the writings of his illustrious predecessor in Constantinople, St. John Chrysostom, who was also from Antioch originally, and in other early church fathers; before Nestorius, only the Antidicomarians rejected this title as as a group.

You've read the Church Fathers more than me, but insofar as I can tell, yes--the union of God and Christ is an indescribable unity, or perhaps best described in the traditional Creeds. Any attempt to separate the Man from Deity is going to result in a heresy.

And if God revealed Himself in Christ, the man, then certainly he was as vulnerable as any other mortal on earth--only he was directed in a life determined by God to express His only Begotten Son. We don't know how much suffering this entailed, but we're told it was real.

johansen · 2025-11-22T23:43:51-0600

mark46 said:
The market favors those who are plumbers and electricians.

they do not make enough money to buy an average house and raise a family in a high cost of living area where they work. they live outside of those areas and commute. outside of those areas, they aren't needed. homeowners do their own electrical and plumbing.

the market has responded by raising the bar to become a licensed skilled trade, even higher. by the market i mean insurance companies.

i have a friend who is a plumber and he wants to start his own company, he told me "i've pulled a lot of f'd up plumbing out of houses. turns out it worked for 50 years before me, i don't see why the code needs a 2" vent on a sink. hell it doesn't need one at all." --words to that effect.

you can make 25$ an hour as a roofer while your boss charges the clients 60$ an hour and pays the insurance company 25$ an hour for you to walk on a roof...
or you do it yourself in a few days and buy the materials for a tenth of the price you can pay someone else to do it.

eventually something breaks.

one thing i will say works is you can pay someone to install insulation cheaper than you can buy the insulation from a big box store and do it yourself.
-even in a HCOL

Marilyn C · 2025-11-22T23:42:50-0600

sovereigngrace said:
Dispies make it up as they go. Your diversion is another erroneous theological invention.

I see you don`t have scripture, however I posted some and that is what needs to be discussed.

Have you ever considered that `Jerusalem` above is made up of two parts - Mount Zion and the city, the New Jerusalem.

`But you have come to Mount Zion and to the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem,...` (Heb. 12: 22)

Mount Zion is where the Lord Jesus rules from His own throne. His Father has set Him there.

`I have set my King on my holy hill of Zion.` (Ps. 2: 6) `...a throne set in heaven, and one sat on the throne..` (Rev. 4: 2)

The city part is for the Old Testament Saints.

`But they desire a better, that is a heavenly country. Therefore, God is not ashamed to be called their God, for He has prepared a city for them.` (Heb. 11: 16)

So...Mount Zion is the seat of the Lord`s rule and in the highest, with His Body of believers.

`To him who overcomes I will grant to sit with me on my throne...` (Rev. 3: 21)

Then the city part comes down out of the highest heaven to the universe realm and is the rule over the earth.

`Then I, John, saw the holy city, new Jerusalem coming down out of heaven from God,...` (Rev. 21: 2)

partinobodycular · 2025-11-22T23:37:04-0600

jonojim1337 said:
But it feels good knowing they will get their due. I used to think God was kind of harsh in creating a hell, but not in this case.

This is where I differ from most people, I don't think that people need to 'get their due'. I certainly feel no need for it, and I find it difficult to imagine how a merciful God would either, even in the name of justice. For me justice is something that victims seek... but truth be told, my need for justice pales in comparison to my need to be merciful. Perhaps God is different and He can hand out mercy and justice only as they're warranted... still, I can't help but hope that mercy prevails, not just for me, or you, or the righteous, but for everybody.

Here and now justice is necessary, and yet even here mercy seems the nobler course.

iluvatar5150 · 2025-11-22T23:13:31-0600

ThatRobGuy said:
I'm blaming them because it was their fault...

If we agree that increased public exposure of the Nick Fuentes types is what's driving this fracturing of the GOP...

No, it’s not merely the greater exposure that the Groypers are getting. It’s also that they’re becoming more numerous on the right, particularly among their younger ranks. The Republican party of old would have censored this stuff themselves.

iluvatar5150 · 2025-11-22T23:07:46-0600

Landon Caeli said:
From the article:
"Abu Tahir, a student and prayer leader, said the encounter was deeply traumatic. “I had to relive the whole thing again,” he said. “Hearing every voice, every insult, every atrocious claim that they had made against our religion"

Awe, that's so sad. Thing is, as a Catholic, I get to hear my own friends and coworkers rag about my religion my entire life. Anyone see me weeping about it? No. You get over it and move on. It's called being humble.

Oh, is that what this is? Humility?

GodDoesListen55 · 2025-11-22T23:00:07-0600

BUMP!

Quincey.

Richard T · 2025-11-22T22:46:05-0600

Sadly, I think it is going to get worse. Trump's tone is too authoritarian, too vengeful and even nasty at times. I did like his concilatory meeting with the NYC mayor. I pray we can see more of that from him.

partinobodycular · 2025-11-22T22:41:04-0600

linux.poet said:
Some unbelievers have been worshiping Big Tech for awhile now.

Uhm... you're gonna have to define 'worship' for me. And why are you limiting it to just unbelievers?

essentialsaltes · 2025-11-22T22:33:29-0600

Texas A&M committee rules professor's firing over gender identity lesson unjustified

The internal committee ruled that the university didn't follow proper procedures and didn't prove there was good cause to fire Melissa McCoul, who was a senior lecturer in the English department with over a decade of teaching experience.

[The professor's lawyer believes it will have go to litigation, as the school may not listen to its own committee.]

Robban · 2025-11-22T22:31:05-0600

Sam266 said:
What do you think NDEs are about if not the afterlife and the survival of the self? I've studied this subject for the past 20 years. It includes reading more than 5000 accounts from around the world.

What is dead is dead, what is alive is alive,

So how can there be an afterlife, First must one come alive or can a corpse bury a corpse?

Matthew 8:21-22.

Said the Rebbe, "When a cold hard heart becomes excited over a Godly idea, is this not a resurrection"

Apple Sky · 2025-11-22T22:18:31-0600

Hentenza said:
He killed himself because of misguided beliefs.

So he committed suicide ?
Rubbish -

iluvatar5150 · 2025-11-22T22:14:44-0600

ThatRobGuy said:
That's part of the problem that Democrats have, if anyone was "aligned with Trump" at any point, "you're dead to me...forever"

What are you talking about?

For one thing, when have I ever been that sort of purist?

But more to my point, she’s not some generic Trump-aligned Republican. She’s consistently been one of the craziest, most strident people in American politics.

ThatRobGuy said:
But the reality is, she's in a solid red deep South district (where's she's won handily multiple times, by 75/25 margins). The notion that an unknown moderate, who's not explicitly "Trump-endorsed", is going to win that district is a pipe dream.

Her advantage as an incumbent (who already has name recognition as is well-liked in her district) would give her an advantage that a newcomer wouldn't have.

So I'll stand by my original statement... the Democrats would've been better off extending an olive branch (even if she only sides with them 20% of the time moving forward), vs. what they're going to get as her replacement.

You can bank on the fact that Trump will be watching that house election closely, and making sure to meddle in any way he can to make sure it's a loyalist far-right person who takes that seat... I'll send you $20 on venmo if I'm wrong lol

I would take a generic conservative over a loony hatemonger like her any day. The fact that she’s on the right side of the Epstein case doesn’t change that.

Reluctant Theologian · 2025-11-22T22:12:36-0600

Fervent said:
Perhaps in a sense there is a higher fidelity, though that is at least a product of survivorship bias given the penchant for destruction of variants. But as far as I am aware, there isn't as open of a process for critical scholarship regarding the manuscripts that do exist. Also, there is the issue of what constitutes a variant given the dialect variance that exists within the manuscripts and the tolerance for at least seven distinct Arabic dialects or "readings". And in addition to the issues you mentioned, there is the unity of the text that is also in play given the relatively late collection into a single codex for the Bible compared to the Qu'ran. My minor quibble with what you had said was simply because it appeared to express a confidence in the Qu'ranic texts that the comparitive interest in critical scholarship creates a slight bias. There is also the issue of the oldest extant manuscript displaying a massive amount of variance from the later standardized texts from chapter order, number, and variant readings beyond the recognized "acceptable" variations.

Yes, I get that ... I think it's fair to say that from Uthman (650 CE) until now the Quranic textual stability is indeed higher than that of the NT writings over that time-frame; yet it's also true the earliest Quran manuscripts we have definitely show variance going back to pre-Uthmanic era. And those variants sometimes indeed changed the meaning of a verse.

The small size of the Quran, the very early (within 20 years of Mohammed) standardisation and the tradition of memorising/reciting the Quran (facilitated by its smaller size), all helped to maintain that textual stability.

It's true Quranic textual criticism is underdeveloped relatively to the Jewish/Christian ones. And indeed in the Islamic world it's common to exaggerate the Quranic stability and claim perfect preservation (which those earliest manuscripts show is not true). But in Christian traditional circles you will find the same exaggerated claim and even plain rejection of any textual criticism.

NT variants sometimes are plain copying errors, sometimes obvious 'corrections/additions' to facilitate the theology/understanding of the copyist. So all together I still would maintain the textual stability (from original author to now) of the NT is worse than that of the Quran, but that does not mean the Quranic 'revelation' is more believable or true that the NT. I believe Yeshua is the Son of God (YHWH) who died for our sins - something the Quran explicitly denies.

For mission and personal witness to Muslims - even as friends - I need to know the Quran, otherwise I can't make any comparative claims about it relative to the Bible. I need to know about the life of Mohammed in order to make comparative claims relative to Yeshua.

Be blessed!

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