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Speaker Johnson describes planned No Kings rally as ‘hate America,’ ‘pro-Hamas’ gathering

It addresses the issue he spoke of.
The upcoming no kings event and the players who seek disruption.
As I stated previously. It is unfortunate that he obstensibly included honest men and women in with the trash.
It is very much on topic. It is the topic. His statement.
Ngo is not a credible person and works as a propagandist influencer.
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Great books on sale....

Books by Watchman Nee and Lester Sumrall on the differences of the body, soul, and spirit are not even looked at today by most, and it's noticeable.
It's very noticeable to me that many Christians today do not know 'who' they are in Christ.

Even though I was born again decades ago, I somehow hadn't quite grasped the full understanding of what happens to us at the new birth ... when we become new creations in Christ ... our new spirit ... and how that relates to walking under the control of the Spirit the rest of our lives as Christians.

I accidentally caught a tv program last Spring where Andrew Wommack was teaching on "Spirit, Soul, & Body". While I don't agree with all that he teaches on some things, in this particular teaching series he explained the new birth ... our regeneration ... our new spirit ... in such a clear and simple way that I 'got it'! Praise the Lord! What a freeing revelation it is, when we understand what has happened to us at the new birth.

I was happy to see the recommendation here on the Jesse Penn-Lewis book, and I also discovered one by Lester Sumrall. Read them both. I appreciate the Watchman Nee recommendation. Thank you. I'll check to see what he has written on the subject.
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God is the source of human rights, not government

There is no accusation. The 'old testamemt is God and His relationship with men. I do not accuse God.
Nor did I accuse you as you for some reason saw fit.
God, I've found, is perfectly capable of defending Himself.

Read the entire article and check the scriptures. Let God speak for Himself.
If you can find adequate evidence to in disputably prove your view. Lemme know. I'm not interested in going back and forth with some emotional verbiage without scripture.
And since you did not challenge the death penalty for kidnap and sale being specific to those offenses...
I’m not doubting the article and thanks for stating your intentions. I frequently see people here blame God for hard to explain verses and actions that they don’t agree with. Sort of a presentism.

My point was that historically there was slavery in antiquity primarily for the losers of wars. The victor would enslave the losers. The difference between Jews and the unbelievers was the commands of God via the law and scripture to treat the slaves fairly.
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Evolution conflict and division

Think about what you just wrote

The Periodic table is not made up. The elements have grown since I was in High School - as we "discovered" new elements. None of the elements are "made up"

Science discovers.
And by the same token, evolving populations were discovered.
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Who then can be saved?

So no post crucifixion verse that requires the Christian to keep the 4th commandment. You have an unsupported and unbiblical theology. You verse mining does not help you.

I’m going to give you another chance. Please post a post resurrection verse that requires the Christian to keep the 4th commandment. You promote sabbath keeping even in your own screen name so you must have at least one post resurrection verse.
Please post a Scripture where Jesus said we do not need to keep the Sabbath commandment. I do not need to disprove the Testimony of God Exo 31:18 If you wish to do that, it can be between you and God. Jesus said follow Me, Jesus who is God kept the Sabbath and all of the commandments. As did God Exo 20:11, as did the apostles Acts 13:42 Acts 13:44 Acts 15:21 Acts 18:4 as did His faithful disciples Luke 23:56. And God said it continues on Isa 66:22-23 If that's not good company for you by all means do something different.
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Should Trump have been banned from running for president?

It is funny reading these hand-wringing posts.
You do not seem to understand that most people do not believe all these accusations. They believe Trump more than they believe the MSM and the DNC.
They do not believe there was an actual insurrection on Jan 6. They see it as a joke. They think many of these prosecutions are bogus efforts by Democrats and lawfare. They have failed and rightly so. They see the left as desperate to the point of violence and assassinations. That is the perception of the left.
They see that the left has been incessant in their prosecution and persecution of Trump for over a decade. They see these efforts as desperation. Americans simply do not believe them anymore. Conservatives think they would do the same thing to all conservatives. They see the left as delusional and almost cultish in their anti-Trump beliefs and actions. At this point, all these accusations sound silly, and people are deaf to them.
Denying Trump's candidacy would be a an attack on Democracy, much like when they removed Biden from their own ticket and installed a candidate who did not receive a single vote in the primaries. But if that is the only way they can win, they will continue doing the same. Every single thing they are accusing the right and Trump of doing, they are doing themselves. Classic projection. We are happily looking forward to the complete failure of the attempt to retake the house next year. I think the republicans may even achieve the bulletproof super majority in Congress. And yet the left refuses to pull back the reins on the extreme left of their party, and instead continues to double down and get more extreme. So sad. A once great party is crumbling before our eyes, and they are putting all their hopes on lawfare, district court judges, name-calling, and bogus accusations. Just pure delusion. At this point, they are losing at every point. They are on the wrong side of every issue and have zero positive issues. It is all "orange man bad." You will not win with that. But don't let anyone discourage you from that approach! It will make it better for the conservatives, the patriots, families, faith, and, of course, Making America Great Again! You are cutting off your face to spite your nose.
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Pepper Sprayed While Evangelizing

To refer to peoples reactions to Jesus (remember it was the Scribes and Pharisees who approached Christ to try and test him) is a rationalisation here.
I am not talking about the Scribes or Pharisees. I am talking about the world. He said, "The world .... hates me because I testify that its works are evil." John 7:7. So, if someone reacts badly because you are pointing out their sin, then remember that Jesus did the same, and the world hated Him too.
Sorry you need to build a connection with people, not ambush them. Leave it to other christian students on the campus to witness in word and deed and pray for them.
Jesus said, 'Go and preach the Gospel to all creation". He did not say, "Go and make a connection and then preach the Gospel to all creation."
I go into the parks and share the Gospel to total strangers and it only takes me 1 minute to make that connection so that I can get to a place where I can share the Gospel.
Sadly, too many Christians have made it a doctrine that we need to make a strong connection first. This then limits the amount we can share the Gospel.
You have to have the green light from the Holy Ghost to approach people.
Yes. Those of us who are filled with the Holy Spirit already have the green light to preach the Gospel to as many people as possible (Mark 16:15). The Holy Spirit was given not so that we would be quiet, but so that we would speak (Acts 1:8). Many times, in the bible we see time and time again, those who are filled with the Spirit spoke and they did not hold back.

"Often individuals will say, “I am willing to go, should God call me to go, in the meantime, I am going to stay.” What we need to do is go, but be willing to stay if God calls us to stay. God has already called us to go." Mark Spence

I find it strange that believers who are filled with the Holy Spirit keep so quiet about the wonderful sacrifice their saviour has made.
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What is Calvinism and its beliefs?

“We can only say that the grace of God is so clear and decisive in Jesus Christ that it is not our task to set limits to it.”

- Karl Barth

Where in scripture does it state that God's desire is thwarted by mankind?
Universalism can only be discussed in the Controversial Christian Theology forum.
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Bill Gates launches micro-patch implants to serve as "vaccination passport" for entry into public and commercial buildings

I never thought I'd live to see the day when this prophesy from Revelation would come. The whole world is fulfilling all that the Lord warned us of. All of it. Friends, it will get much much uglier, before all is finished. The Lord has shown and given so much of Holy Truth! and Beauty! And Glory! Yet so many men, and women, seek only to satisfy the lusts of the flesh, and the lusts of the eyes, and the boasting pride of life, insulting and desecrating and blaspheming all that is Holy. Friends, we ought not waste our remaining days with trivia and presumption: we, and the world, owe God so much....
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The History of the “Two Laws” Theory in Romans 3:20

Who said Jesus told us to discard His laws?

that Christ took away all the law (including the 10 com.) that came between us and God,
God said:
Psa 19:7 The law of the Lord is perfect, [a]converting the soul;
The testimony of the Lord is sure, making wise the simple;

The law is not what separated us from God, its the opposite breaking God's law which is sin.

Isa 59:2 But your iniquities have separated between you and your God, and your sins have hid his face from you, that he will not hear.
You're arguing against a phantom. But that's because you're obsessed with the "faith plus works" system.
I love Jesus John 14:15 1 John5:3 Exo 20:6 and obey Him not to be saved but its a consequence of salvation Rev 14:12 Sadly disobedience is rebellion, sin and unbelief Heb 3:7-19
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Why do people hate ICE...

When they are just doing their job?

Well it seems I come across examples of this everyday...just crossed another one.

WATCH: ICE Sued After Videos Capture Pastor Shot With ‘Chemical Pellets’ at Peaceful Protest

I bet that pastor was attacking them or someth....
https://www.reddit.com/r/illinois/s/09n0juVcj3


If there are people having trouble understanding why people dislike how iCE is doing their work, I'm hoping folks will be willing to share some examples. I'll do my bit when I can.

I suspect some of the antipathy towards ICE is the shock of actual enforcement of immigration law by ICE, especially in cities where for many years or decades ICE enforcement was so negligible as to be invisible and unheard of in those cities.

Indeed, LA County Mayor said ICE “was not present” and “was not present for so long.” They simply were accustomed to minimal to invisible existence of ICE for a long time.
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Men now surpass women in church attendance, especially among Gen X, millennials: Barna

It isn’t particular and was done by choice. Associating with people with similar goals and challenges is wise and I don’t have to censor myself.



I assume you’re not acquainted with people doing so in this medium. It’s fairly common. The biggest factor is threefold. Knowing your subject, a willingness to be vulnerable if you’re just getting started and good communication skills. The women I started with were stay at home wives who didn’t have to support their families financially. They had the time and discretionary income to launch a venture without needing it to be profitable.

Where we differed from most was our willingness to pay. The majority were gleaning and looking for tidbits online. But we worked with experts from the start and continued to do so which shortened the learning curve. We shared liberally within the group including our sources and supported one another.

The biggest impediment to success online is discretionary income, lack of support and ignorance. You can learn how to build a business or platform. But if you’re going it alone with no assistance or insight on the best approach, time wasters and so on it’s going to be harder. There‘s information you won’t encounter unless you’re in a group or mastermind. It isn’t publicly available.

I use a similar technique for every area in my life. I‘m not self-taught. I acquaint myself with a subject and find an expert to help me advance and hit my target. Most of the things I know I can sell and that’s intentional too. Life didn’t happen to me. I designed the one I wanted that I could monetize. That’s my strategy.

We have to find what works for us and our circumstances. I have a vision for my bloodline and that‘s my priority. The things I do may not resonate with others because we have different convictions. I was created to rule and that’s my compass.

~bella
Why don’t you ever give a link to your business online? I’m just curious.
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Another look at the moon landing.

The firmament is massive, much larger than you could imagine, the image does not do it justice.
There is no firmament. The correct translation is expanse. There are billions if not trillions of stars in the universe so your idea of the size of your made up firmament would be hard pressed to hold them all. Of course you could say that the whole of the universe is the firmament but then you would have to agree that rockets can go to space and the moon.
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Morality without Absolute Morality

Self-evident claims do not require proof.
Self-evident claims also don't have large groups of people rejecting them.
All truths are beyond the thinking mind, as is the reality of all things. Those who believe in scientism, the dogmatic beleif that science is the only source of knowledge, are handicapped in the search for truth. They admit that any pretension on their part in grasping truth is impossible for them as all of their claims are merely provisional.
No one is arguing "because scientism (sic)". This is about the nature of morality.
However, "morality" is an idea, an object of thought, and not in the realm of phenomena perceived by the fallible senses. Debating objective ideas with those who are incurably addicted to the subjective sense of "ideas" cannot be profitable (as this thread demonstrates).

Ideas—the objects of thought—that we reflect upon when we start to philosophize, lie beyond the reach of sense perception. In debating morality we examine the grounds upon which moral claims may be judged either true or false. An appeal to a transcendent source for objective truth will always be beyond the handicapped mind of the materialist.

Justice Jackson appealed to the "transcendent" idea of justice at Nuremberg. Even though the Nazis had operated within their own (subjective) laws, their actions were still criminal because they violated fundamental (objective) principles of morality and justice that bind all people. Christians, like Jackson, make the same appeal to the Transcendent One.
The problem from my entry to this thread onward is and has been that I see no reason to trust any of the claimants to possessing absolute morality.
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Spanish public broadcaster apologizes for calling growth of Evangelical churches ‘dangerous’

Spain’s public broadcaster RTVE has apologized for a program that described the growth of Evangelical churches as “worrying” and portrayed them as “dangerous,” promising to handle religious issues with “the utmost care” following a wave of complaints from Evangelical organizations and viewers.

According to a report by Evangelical Focus, the controversy began after the Sept. 22 episode of RTVE’s afternoon program Directo al Grano aired a segment that singled out Evangelical churches, using footage of congregations without consent and presenting them in a negative light. The show referenced a pastor who was not representative of the wider evangelical community in Spain.

The segment prompted widespread criticism from individuals and Evangelical bodies, including the Federation of Religious and Evangelical Entities of Spain (FEREDE), which filed a formal complaint with the RTVE management.

Beatriz Ariño, the audience ombudswoman for RTVE, acknowledged viewers’ concerns and apologized in a letter sent to those who had complained. “We are very sorry for your disappointment, and we fully understand your anger,” she wrote, according to Evangelical Focus.

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Average consumer now carries $6,329 in credit card debt. 'People are stretched,' expert says

@Richard T this is a tiny home development in Texas. He visited it a year ago and returned. I‘m including a few screenshots. He went inside several. Wow the thumbnail says it all. The house‘s width is a smidge more than the three of them combined.

MORE TINY HOMES IN TEXAS ARE SELLING OUT - IS THIS THE NEW AMERICAN DREAM OF HOME OWNERSHIP?

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Boyfriend’s knee injury

My boyfriend’s knee was really really badly injured a while back, he can walk again, but he’d like to be able to play sport again, please pray that God heals him completely and that he recovers completely and returns fully to how he was before the knee injury and can do everything and play sports again, agreeing in Jesus Christ’s name, Amen. Thank you.
Read Isa 53:5 or the whole chapter. Ist Peter 2:24 by His strips we were healed. Christ said lay hands on the sick they shall be healed. That means healed right then right now and it also can mean over time but will be totally healed. Peter and John at the gate after the man was healed the people were looking at them they said "why do you look at us as if we did this by our own power? That name faith in that name healed this man"

A known man of God setting at Chruch I believe but this woman was sitting next to him has MS. So he started to ask God for a word for her and nothing. So he asked again and saying come on God ..nothing. Third time he is starting to .. not happy and where are you GOD. He said to that God answered rebuking him saying "do you think I want this for her?" His right side .. like when you hit your elbow? But allover his right side.. his face.... and the woman next to him praise GOD started to say.. whats happening.. right then right there so many people there also she was healed of MS.

God said to Sarah as she laughed within her self He said "what is to hard for the lord". A song old but was to young girls it said "if you've done it and you wonder what to do...go to Jesus HE will make you brand new". Man can not but with God all things not some but all things are possible to them that believe. Just trying to build help your faith. There are more then two here that agree and if two shall agree.. He will do it. So pray believe with you for total healing.. no doubt no wonder no hope.. I can only share what I know.. in JESUS name ..now praise Him for what He has done.. HE said what so ever you desire when you pray believe you receive it you shall have it. Its the receive part.. He said by His strips you were Healed. Yeah thank Him.. He love you SOO Much
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Emergency abortion denials by Catholic hospitals put woman in danger, after her water broke at 17 weeks, lawsuit claims

I suspect it will take dozens of dead moms before the state requires catholic hospitals to manage care properly.
Are you an emergency room physician? If not then I don't think you are qualified to prescribe what is the proper care for pregnant women in need of emergency care.
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