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Why we are not supposed to keep the Sabbath

Can someone tell me why Paul would write in 2Cor3 that the Ten Commandments are done away and does not tell us that now they are written on our hearts? It seems to me that if the Ten Commandments equal the Law, as some are teaching on the form, that Paul would not have written in Gal 3:19 that they were only temporary.

2Cor3:7 But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, was glorious,... 8 How shall not the ministration of the spirit be rather glorious? 11 For if that which is done away was glorious, much more that which remaineth is glorious.

Gal3:19 Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.

Eph2:15 Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;


Now, please do not use the old Cliche that because I believe we are not under the dictates of the Old Covenant laws that I am lawless. Jesus, in John 15, makes it perfectly clear that we are under the New Law to love others as Jesus loves us. That means I won't covet, kill, or any of the other wrongs I could do to harm my fellow man. Paul makes it very clear that I am not under the Ten Commandments.
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Trump's Big Beautiful.....Gold Ballroom

None of these things should be considered bad or wrong, in and of themselves.
The question is what is appropriate for "the People's House"? A robber baron's palace that would make Hearst blush, or something less conspicuously ostentatious?
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Trump dispenses with trials, orders military strike on alleged Venezuelan drug-trafficking boat (Now up to 2, 3, 4...)

As Hegseth said, it's being done as a deterrent. It's to scare them away. The soft passive liberal approach
Arresting the crews and sinking the boats, you mean.
obviously hasn't been working considering the escalation of drugs that have been smuggled into the US.

For them there's a simple solution. Don't want to get blown up? Don't smuggle drugs into the US.
That's sick. Corrupt, degenerate and disgusting.
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Trump to pardon Ex-Honduras President Guilty of Drug Trafficking and conspiring to import cocaine into the United States

What sense does it make at all, that Trump would pardon Hernandez, if there wasn't factual evidence that the Biden DOJ did something shady?

...A jury wouldn't know if, say, the Biden DOJ made some special arrangements with some witnesses, especially if those arrangements were kept classified.
The idea Trump would make decisions as odd as this one based on any kind of facts is not his M.O.
Trump bases pardon decisions on his opinion that, "they were treated very unfairly" with no supporting fact what so ever.
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Struggling with feeling God’s presence

But how do you know the Spirit is there if you can't feel it?

Gal 5:22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
Gal 5:23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.

The Holy Spirit works in us to make us better people. The fact that you want to be better may be an indication that the Holy Spirit is already working in you.
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Furious Democrats Call for Schumer to Be Replaced After Shutdown Cave

Here are the Democrats calling for Schumer to be replaced as leader​


Democrats have been pushing back on Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer (D-N.Y.) after eight party members voted in favor of a stopgap measure to reopen the government.

The 60-40 vote approving a continuing resolution to fund much of the government until Jan. 30 leaves health care subsidies in limbo, cementing disdain for Schumer, who previously said extending ObamaCare subsidies was a “life or death” provision for Democrats.

In early October, the Senate minority leader said there was “no (obscenity deleted) way” party members would cave on health care demands to reopen the government.
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Charlie Kirk Didn’t Shy Away From Who He Was. We Shouldn’t, Either

Yes, the FAR right. The far right has one thing in common with the far left. They both hate Jews
It's odd. The far left generally loves Jews in America, and hates them in Israel. The far right generally hates Jews in America, and loves them in Israel. Only a generalization; there are exceptions.
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AI search says Adventists are the largest single denomination holding to Sola Scriptura

Weird. I copy/pasted your exact wording and it gave me "Lutheran".

Screenshot 2025-12-05 123745.jpg


I added the picture so you could see what it said based off of your exact wording. This is why AI is just such a nuisance. You'd think it would come to the same conclusion every time....
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Lindsey Halligan, and the dog that ate the transcript.

I posted this in the other thread, but putting it here also.

Grand Jury Said to Decline to Re-Indict Letitia James
After a judge dismissed the Trump administration’s first attempt to indict the attorney general of New York State, a new grand jury effort failed, according to people familiar with the matter.

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/12/04/us/politics/letitia-james-indict-trump.html?unlocked_article_code=1.6E8.UMPd.1PRnDujXoT27&smid=url-share


A grand jury in Norfolk, Va., declined on Thursday to re-indict Letitia James, New York’s attorney general, rejecting efforts to revive a criminal case that had been sought by President Trump, according to people familiar with the matter.
The unsuccessful attempt to revive the case against Ms. James does not necessarily end the administration’s efforts to put her on trial, even after a federal judge dismissed an earlier indictment last month in ruling that the prosecutor who brought the case was unlawfully appointed by Mr. Trump and Attorney General Pam Bondi.
Nothing in the law prevents the Justice Department from trying a third time to indict her.
True. Nothing prevents them from going after James for ten more times if they get denied again. What it does do however, is bolster James's malicious prosecution charges. That and the AG posing in front of her house taking pictures.
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"Don't Give up the Ship"

My question (still unanswered) is, why are we blowing up those boats instead of interdicting them in the usual way, like the USCG is still doing successfully in the Pacific?
I think it's that these drug runners are terrorists who helped plan and carry out 9/11, and therefore fall under the 2001 AUMF.

Section 2 – Authorization For Use of United States Armed Forces

(a) IN GENERAL- That the President is authorized to use all necessary and appropriate force against those nations, organizations, or persons he determines planned, authorized, committed, or aided the terrorist attacks that occurred on September 11, 2001, or harbored such organizations or persons
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A Conversion Journey

My first memory of the notion of religion is my Protestant mom engaging in the ancient and venerable tradition of having me sit on her knee while she told me who Jesus is. She said He was the Son of God, that He loved me, and that He died for my sins. I wasn't really sure what all that meant, and wasn't really sure what to make of it. I had no problem with the idea that there was a God, though. That idea was utterly intuitive and logical.

When I later learned to read, I was inspired enough by mom's talk to try reading the New Testament. A man walked on water? He raised a man from the dead? This is the stuff of fairy tales, except it read more like news reporting.

For example, sometime later the TV news was on in the background, and some guy wearing a tie was reporting about something happening in Damascus. Damascus? Where had I heard that name before? Oh yeah, the New Testament. It's an actual place? You can search to your heart's discontent, but you'll not find any city associated with Jack the Giant Killer or Cinderella.

This is very different from the Koran reporting that Alexander the Great watched the sun sink into a mud puddle of unspecified geographic location. (The puddle should be easy to discover. Given that the sun is a million times the diameter of the Earth, It would have to be a REALLY big puddle.)

It was also noticeable that fiction writers don't give numerous characters the same name, such as John and Mary. That kind of thing happens in reality, not fiction.

I later learned that Jews and Muslims are fond of attacking St. Paul the Apostle as the "inventor" of Christianity. Yet interestingly, St. Paul made what are known in the legal world as "admissions against interest" - saying things that were embarrassing and hurtful to his cause. These types of statements are exceptions to the hearsay rule, since it's considered that a person would not say them unless they were true. For example, St. Paul admits to being mocked at Mars Hill, and admits that prayer didn't remove the thorn in his side. No "salesman" selling an idea would admit such things.

I decided this New Testament was an unusual collection of writings, sometimes surpassing, IMO, even Shakespeare in its beauty and eloquence, e.g., 1 Corinthians 13, but also including such prosaic bits as “When you come, bring the cloak that I left with Carpus at Troas, and my scrolls, especially the parchments.” 2 Timothy 4:13. Even if I were an atheist today, I'd have to admit that the Christian sacred scriptures are the most interesting literature ever written.

I was struck by things like this, but not convinced.
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FBI makes arrest in investigation into pipe bombs placed in DC on eve of Jan. 6 riot, AP source says

His lawyers should and probably will argue that he is included in Trump's pardon of J6 rioters unless that pardon names each and every individual, which I don't know the answer to.
It only names the seditious conspirators (who received commutations).

I like the plan, but the announcement of the pardon specified "at or near the United States Capitol," but his lawyers have nothing to lose.
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Does it matter what day Christ was crucified on?

So, I heard a theory that Jesus was crucified on a Wednesday, rather than Friday (as is commonly believed.) Therefore, he rose from the dead on Saturday (the Sabbath.)

Idk enough about this view to really either affirm or deny it, but is it a gospel issue?

Can a genuine Christian believe Jesus died on Wednesday, as long as he still agrees that he rose again three days later?
there is theological significance if Jesus died before Sabbath, rested in the grave for the duration of Sabbath then rose on the first day of the week.

in Genesis rest is ushered in through completed work. the last words of Christ are on the cross saying "it is finished". as a parallel Christ had a work that he completed, he is buried and "rests" on the Sabbath

Sabbath is also a sign of the old covenant, although the rest of Sabbath law does not extend to our biological functions there is a logic that points to our breath and beating heart as work itself. Jesus rests on the Sabbath like no other could before him (or since). and this Sabbath can been seen as markinf the death of the works of the law and old covenant, then rising in new life in the birth of the new covenant

Jesus also dies on whats called preparation day. Since this was over Passover (which the exact way it aligns is debated) Jesus can be seen as the lamb of the passover that is prepared as well as other aspects of need to prepare like unleven bread.

it does have theological significance but often the early church or ancient near East cultures put high value on on symbols. So the account may be framed this way because of the theological significance, but whenever we approach what day it was doesn't impact our salvation.
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Funny, They Didn’t Look Jewish

Saul Sadka
v @Saul Sadka • 12h | If they're this upset to discover that Jews wrote the Christmas songs, we need to make sure they never find out who wrote the Gospels...

Andrew Torba & @BasedTorba • Nov 30 Just an annual reminder that this is one major way they subverted our most holy holidays to remove Christ from them and turn them into consumerist slop.

CHRISTMAS SONGS
WRITTEN BY JEWS
* White Christmas * Rockin' Around
Irving Berlin

the Christmas Tree
Johnny Marks

* Rudolph the Red-
Nosed Reindeer

A Holly Jolly
Johnny Marks

Christmas
Johnny Marks

The Christmas Song (Chestnuts Roasting * Run Rudolph Run
on an Open Fire)
Johnny Marks

Mel Tormé & Bob Wells (co-written)
* Let It Snow! Let It * Suzy Snowflake
Snow! Let It Snow!
Sid Tepper
& Roy C. Bennett| Jule Styne &
Sammy Cahn|

* Silver Bells
* It's the Most
Jay Livingston
Wonderful Time
& Ray Evans
of the Year

* Hallelujah
Edward Pola &
Leonard Cohen
George Wyle

Getting Ready for
Winter Wonderland
Christmas Day
Felix Bernard
Paul Simon
..and many more!

Brings to mind how Saint Ignatius Loyola reacted when informed that one of his early Jesuits had Jewish ancestry. “How wonderful to have a blood tie to Jesus and Our Lady!’

Jew hatred is not only immensely stupid, it is fundamentally anti-Christian.

Minnesota is drowning in fraud.

Chairman Comer Launches Investigation into Massive Fraud in Minnesota’s Social Services System on Governor Walz’s Watch


“The Committee on Oversight and Government Reform is investigating reports of widespread fraud in Minnesota’s social services programs. The Committee has serious concerns about how you as the Governor, and the Democrat-controlled administration, allowed millions of dollars to be stolen. The Committee also has concerns that you and your administration were fully aware of this fraud and chose not to act for fear of political retaliation. The Committee therefore requests documents and communications showing what your administration knew about this fraud and whether you took action to limit or halt the investigation into this widespread fraud,” wrote Chairman Comer to Governor Walz.
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Nick Fuentes and Richard Hanania’s Paganism

The popularity of Nick Fuentes is in its way a fulfillment of Ross Douthat’s much-quoted ominous prophecy that the “post-Christian right” will rise to replace the Christian right. While the young streamer may proclaim Christ and the Catholic faith, he plainly wears this identity as a skinsuit. Daniel Mahoney correctly identifies him as an avatar of “the new pagan Right,” owing much more to Nietzsche than to Jesus as he openly admires totalitarians and seeks to position himself as a political powerbroker.
Of course, this development is a liberal analyst’s dream come true, and multiple mainstream outlets have been milking the moment for all it’s worth. Several have cited the work of Richard Hanania, who argues that Fuentes embodies the natural end-state of conservatism. Hanania himself has an infamous past in the alt-right fever swamps, which he has disavowed in the process of reinventing himself as a sophisticated anti-Republican critic. Yet he and Fuentes still have something in common: In their distinct ways, both of them see the world through pagan eyes and analyze it with pagan logic. Their political projects may be at odds, but their post-Christian vision—or, rather, nostalgically pre-Christian vision—is shared.
The first Christians distinguished themselves from their pagan neighbors by a special care for the weak, the outcast, and the inconvenient. They refused to live by cold utilitarian logic, going out of their way to rescue human beings left to rot on the empire’s dungheaps. This instinct repulses Hanania, who regularly attacksthose “crazy enough to value the fetuses of strangers.” It’s no wonder the pro-life cause is unpopular at the polls, he suggests, because if people are that crazy, it’s hard for the sane normal people to predict “what else they’re capable of.” Against this “low human capital” morality, Hanania sets his enlightened lack of “a religious belief in a thing called ‘human life’ that has some kind of inherent value.”
In general, Hanania believes that the greater good sometimes requires human sacrifice—from babies with Down syndrome, to babies born without most of their brains, to incapacitated elderly people. One might say he practices seamless-garment utilitarianism, consistently maintaining that the weak should die when they overburden the strong. If society must expend resources on “creatures who can’t be trusted to take care of themselves,” he would rather we reform factory farming than lavish attention on “people who are stupid and weak.” His rhetoric echoes Heinrich Himmler’s exasperation at those Christians who insisted that care be spent on such people “in the name of a doctrine of pity that goes against nature, and of a misconceived notion of humanity.”

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Daily Mail: Kristi Noem's ICE hiring chaos laid bare as fat, illiterate and violent misfits 'not ready to tie their own laces' are recruited

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Given that America currently has the modern equivalent to a Caligula in the White House what did you expect!

As for the ancient Romans, they were never given the opportunity to elect their Emperor - Americans can't claim that excuse!

COMPARISONS

1) WEALTH - PRIVILEGE - NARCISSISM = both were NARCISSISTS born into lives of wealth and privilege, self-absorbed combined with a sense personal entitlement that would influence every decision

2( OMNISCIENT - complete knowledge of everything
- neither seeks nor recognizes the validity of expert advice based on the unshakeable faith that their sense of reasoning to be far superior

3) PUBLIC FINANCES - both viewed their access to the nation's treasury as another means of fulfilling their personal indulgences
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4) LEADERSHIP - both assumed the role of authoritarian leaders without delegating authority
- Caligula declared himself a "living god," while Trump created a cult of personality as a populist hero with claims he would "drain the swamp" in Washington

5) LOYALTY - both demanded absolute loyalty but those having served purpose became expendable - loyalty took precedence over expertise which contributed to a nation in constant chaos beset with often contradictory pronouncing and incompetent officials tasked with enacting them

6) NEPOTISM - during the 1st Trump Administration the President's daughter and son-in-law occupied positions of authority in the White Horse

Caligula threatened to replace the Roman Senate with his horse as consul (adviser)

7) CRITICISM - both attempted to project strength of leadership but their fragile egos resulted in their over--reaction to criticism
- Caligula executed his critics while Trump resorted to Twitter, personal attacks and petty feuds directed at politicians, journalists, judges, comedians, even teenagers

8) REALITY - both operated under the assumption that their strength of personality extended to bending reality to reflect their egos- Caligula declared himself a "god" to be worshipped while Trump assumed the role of a self-described "very stable genius"

9) RULE OF LAWS - both considered themselves above the rule of law
- for Caligula the law was whatever he said it was at any given time
- Trump felt unconstrained by laws, publicly condemning judges who ruled against him
- for Trump the Department of Justice was viewed as an extension of himself
- he also advocated changes in Constitution to overturn 2020
- Trump has made repeated references to serving a 3rd term as President despite 22 Amendment

10) LEGACY - both brought respect for their office into disrepute, emptied the treasury, incurred massive debts, eroded respect for law, created deep divisions and left long term institutional damage


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When I was young and first learned about Caligula, I wondered how such a thing could happen, why the senators and citizens allowed it. Now I'm living through it.
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The Eucharist’s Real Presence Or Virtual Reality?

http://www.linkedin.com/shareArticl...Eucharist’s Real Presence Or Virtual Reality?
“The lawless one…the Lord Jesus will slay with the breath of his mouth and bring to nothing by the manifestation of His presence” (2 Thess 2:8). This verse is full of loaded terms. The Word of God is potent here with a rich array of interrelated meanings. Three Greek words are especially worth highlighting. “The lawless one…the Lord Jesus will slay with the breath (pneumati) of His mouth and bring to nothing by the manifestation (epiphaneia) of His presence (parousias).”

Another way to render the last phrase is that the Lord Jesus brings the lawless one to nothing by the “glorious appearance of His coming.” This turns us to the final coming of Christ but a similar feat is accomplished even now by “the manifestation of His presence,” “the epiphany of His presence.” Lawlessness is slayed and done away with even now as we let Jesus’ Eucharistic Presence be manifested to our souls, receiving the Spirit-breathed Word of Jesus or “the breath (pneumati) of His mouth.” In the context of Eucharistic Adoration, we can hear the verse in this way: “The Lord Jesus will slay and bring to nothing lawlessness with the anointed-word of His mouth and the manifestation of His presence,” precisely as we adore Him in the Eucharist.

The Real Presence Of Jesus Is The Truth​

Jesus’ Real Presence overcomes all the illusions of the evil one, the father of lies. It is like darkness fleeing before light. It is like waking from a nightmare to discover real life again. It is the presence of the Lord overtaking the emptiness of godlessness. This is what happens in the Adoration chapel thanks to Jesus’ Real Presence.

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