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The Schumer Shutdown

The great hoax ..... so complex that no one can grasp it, and it is impossible to change it for good.
Would the Democratic party ever recommend the 3 steps required to bring America's healthcare in line with the rest of the world?

1. Medicare as single payer (obviously - the Bernie Sanders thing). But then ALSO:-
2. Buy over half the hospitals (Australia's government owns 51% of our 700 hospitals) so that they are Government Owned and Operated.
3. Create a Federal agency (like Australia's PBS) to buy bulk generic meds and equipment with economies of scale to drive down the per-unit price.
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Bill Gates launches micro-patch implants to serve as "vaccination passport" for entry into public and commercial buildings

You heard what he said and he gave you a timeline. Don’t read it passively. Be proactive. Start a garden and build a supply of dry goods. Learn how to make things from scratch and get to know local producers. Build a network of likeminded people who are doing the same. There’s no coalition of christians that can feed everyone. But if you take action you’ll be able to weather the challenges better than those who don’t.

~bella
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There’s a Giant Flaw in Human History

Heres the thing. Despite all this they clearly state that these measurements verify the vase is on par with modern machining. Is this also a fairy tale.

It is nothing short of astonishing to find that the most ‘precise’ vases in Matt Beall’s collection (e.g. V18 and V4) are characterized by the circularity error <RMSE> = 0.6 thousands of an inch (15 microns) and the centering error <dR> = 0.1 thousandths of an inch (2.5 microns). The centering error of the vase V18 is actually below the resolving ability of the analysis methodology used (0.2 thousandths of an inch). The vases V4 and V18 appear to be 10 times more precise (in terms of the quality metric M) compared to the modern vases.

Given these results, I conclude that the ‘PRECISE’ vases in Matt Beall’s collection were machined using advanced tools since the lathe marks are clearly visible on the inner surfaces of the vases where they were not polished away completely – Fig. 20.


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The 3D models of CAT scans of the ‘precise’ vases look like CAD models: their symmetry is so perfect that it is difficult to spot any surface profile variability when these models are rotated – Fig. 23-24.

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What about the heat map is that not in 3D.


Here are the researchers lying again about the vases precision to MCN. According to your conspiract theory. They are repeatedly telling lies about the precision of these vases.

Structured-light scanning was used, a method that projects light patterns to create highly accurate 3D models, on around 30 of the vases. CT scans have been performed on 35, offering a deeper look at their internal structure and uniformity.

CT scans of a thin granite vase, revealed that both the top and sides are nearly perfectly round, with variations of less than one-thousandth of an inch,
a level of accuracy rarely seen in ancient artifacts.

A separate study of 22 vases by Dr Max Fomitchev-Zamilov, a computer scientist from the Moscow Institute of Electronic Technology, uncovered shape errors as small as 15 microns, making them up to 10 times more precise than vases carved using modern machinery.

Dr Fomitchev-Zamilov also noted that many of the vases appeared to be perfectly centered,
suggesting a highly controlled method for aligning and rotating the stone during carving, which is typically associated with machine tools like lathes.


Is this all lies. Is this what your saying. That all these researchers are lying. Or so dumb they have totally miscalculated these vases and all their numbers are wrong.

I still don't know what your point is. Are you saying these vases are not precise and were not machined on a lathe. What exactly are you saying with all these objections.
Since you mention the term dumb, it is an apt of description of your post.
This latest piece of nonsense is a rehash of the rubbish that has been refuted many times beforehand.
I wanted you to show me in the Artifacts Foundation video which you posted, what 3D calculations were performed, since this task is beyond your capabilities I suggested you contact Karoly for the answer.

Point out what heat map is being referred to.
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Speaker Johnson describes planned No Kings rally as ‘hate America,’ ‘pro-Hamas’ gathering

Ngo is not a credible person and works as a propagandist influencer.
Your accusation carries no weight.
Frankly for someone I consider intelligent and measured in your posts. I'm surprised.
Though I suppose I would attribute the same degree of verity to many liberal mainstream papers as you may more conservative outlets.

So, what about the supplier of professional protesters article? Should that also be dismissed off hand?

He has first hand experience.
I don't. I can't speak for you.
The peddler of professional protesters also is involved intimately in these types of events. Not I.

Are we to slurp up the soup of the mendacious purveyers of bs and bluster without question as it seems many are inclined to.

I don't think so,. So here we are.
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Why is this forum so politically active?

.......... my memories of this forum are of the 2010's, when Philosophy and Apologetics ruled ........ :eheh:
Yep. I remember. I was an advisor then. Fond memories. You had to stay on your toes because popular threads would fly and by the time you responded it was a couple of pages old.
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Who then can be saved?

God said He wrote His laws in the New Covenant. Heb 8:10 2Cor3:3
Let’s look at your verse mining.

“For in finding fault with the people, He says, “Behold, days are coming, says the Lord, When I will bring about a new covenant With the house of Israel and the house of Judah, “For this is the covenant which I will make with the house of Israel After those days, declares the Lord: I will put My laws into their minds, And write them on their hearts. And I will be their God, And they shall be My people.”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭8‬:‭8‬, ‭10‬ ‭NASB2020‬‬

This is the current covenant with the House if Israel that will be completed at the end of the time of the gentiles. The law was not given to the gentiles but only to Israel. The covenants to the church ( the body of Christ) is the covenant of blood depicted below.

“for this is My blood of the covenant, which is being poured out for many for forgiveness of sins.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭26‬:‭28‬ ‭NASB2020‬‬

“And in the same way He took the cup after they had eaten, saying, “This cup, which is poured out for you, is the new covenant in My blood.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭22‬:‭20‬ ‭NASB2020‬‬
The 4th commandment is part of God's laws breaking one we break them all James 2:11-12 Mat5:19.
“If, however, you are fulfilling the royal law according to the Scripture, “You shall love your neighbor as yourself,” you are doing well. But if you show partiality, you are committing sin and are convicted by the Law as violators. For whoever keeps the whole Law, yet stumbles in one point, has become guilty of all. For He who said, “Do not commit adultery,” also said, “Do not murder.” Now if you do not commit adultery, but do murder, you have become a violator of the Law.”
‭‭James‬ ‭2‬:‭8‬-‭11‬ ‭NASB2020‬‬

James contrast the royal law (that if Christ) vs the Jewish law. It doesn’t look good for those that follow the law but pretty good for those that follow the royal law. The Christian follows the royal law. This verse does not help your case and is another out of context verse from your collection.

““Do not presume that I came to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I did not come to abolish, but to fulfill. For truly I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest letter or stroke of a letter shall pass from the Law, until all is accomplished! Therefore, whoever nullifies one of the least of these commandments, and teaches others to do the same, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever keeps and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven. “For I say to you that unless your righteousness far surpasses that of the scribes and Pharisees, you will not enter the kingdom of heaven.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭5‬:‭17‬-‭20‬ ‭NASB2020‬‬

So does your righteousness surpass that of the scribes and the Pharisees? Because if you don’t you are in trouble. Nothing here about the 4th commandment required for the Christians.

Again, please post a post crucifixion verse that states that the Christian is required to keep the 4th commandment. One, just one?
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Evolution conflict and division

Scientists have documented a small percentage of animal species, with some estimates suggesting less than 20% of Earth's total species have been scientifically described. The vast majority, estimated to be about 86% of all species, remain undiscovered, and many are believed to be going extinct before they can be identified.

Undocumented species:
Scientists estimate there are approximately 8.7 million species on Earth, but only a fraction of those have been documented.

Finding one of he over 80% of species we have not documented is not an example of the evolution of new species

...and again - The Bible tells everything that was created took 6 days....and the geneologies tell us the earth was created approximately 6000 years ago.
That has nothing to do with what we were discussing, but I'll take it as an indication that whether or not scientists have observed the evolution of new species doesn't matter to you.

That's okay. Whether or not you believe anything from science isn't important to me. I jumped in this thread to stand up for my coworkers and colleagues. We're not morons nor are we evil conspirators who spend our days plotting against God. We're professional scientists who go to work each day and do the best job we can. If someone thinks they can do better, we'd be more than glad to see what they have.
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The Baptism of the Holy Spirit in Acts 2

The entirety of both replies were in answer to your question.
No, they a 4,000 dissertation on history. And in no way answer my simple question

I’m sorry you are seemingly not able to
If one is intrested, a nice article on Eschatology in Orthodoxy can be found--> here
Eschatology is the study of f end time. This thread in on the Baptism of the Holy Spirit as shown in Acts 2.
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Pastor Points AR-15-Style Rifle at Congregation While Preaching About ‘Spiritual Violence Toward Unbelief’

During his Sept. 28 sermon titled “Clearing the Room,” Dauphin County Pastor Philip Thornton wore an unloaded AR-15-style rifle and occasionally pointed it at congregants. “You have to overwhelm your enemy with a violent action of faith,” he preached. “You have to learn to isolate the voice of unbelief and deal with it.”

After some people raised concerns about the prop, Legacy Faith Church in Susquehanna Township, Pennsylvania, said it was grateful for the attention. “We pray many more [people] will watch the message in its entirety and contextually learn how to defeat unbelief in their life,” the church said.

Dauphin County Pastor Assures Worshipers Rifle Isn’t Loaded

As seen on video posted to YouTube, Pastor Philip Thornton wore the rifle around his neck from the beginning of the Sept. 28 service. “This is for an illustration a little bit later, but I figured I [would] go ahead and get your nerves out,” he told worshipers. “It is not loaded. There’s nothing in it. Praise the Lord. So you understand, it’s an empty clip and it’s been cleared. So fear not, everybody.”

Continued below.
It is several magnitudes of stupid to wave a muzzle around pointed at people. I know of fatal accidental discharge where they firearm was thought to be unloaded. One was the cliche shot-while-cleaning-a -firearm. Another was someone showing a firearm to a friend. I know of a Department of Natural Resources officer who opened the cylinder of his revolver, thought all the cartridges had dropped out, only to find, to his horror, that a cartridge was still in the cylinder. He passed that along as a word of warning. I don't care if you've made sure the magazine is empty / dropped and the chamber is empty: You don't point the muzzle at anyone.

Yet I've been in a store that sold rifles and shotguns, and seen a customer hold the weapon on the level, with the clerk saying nary a word. That's just not done.

Demonstration or not, there is no justification in a minister or anyone else in pointing a muzzle at someone "to make a point." Too many people have been killed by an "unloaded" firearm.
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need prayers finding a church (political triggers inside)

Finding a supportive church community and a group of Christian friends that you can confide in can be difficult, and I hope that you can find the kind of congregation that you need. You talked about feeling like a ghost in the pew. It's possible that a smaller congregation, or a large congregation with a "small groups" ministry, might be a good place to connect with people more deeply than just being an anonymous person in a pew.
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Men now surpass women in church attendance, especially among Gen X, millennials: Barna

Why don’t you ever give a link to your business online? I’m just curious.

I don’t put my personal information on here. That’s nothing against the site but I keep my private life separate. And the same applies with my family. We’re not connected on here. I don’t know if you’re aware there’s several sites about people who make content and threads on Reddit. They go out of their way to dig up information and post it publicly. It isn’t limited to the individual. They’ll doxx their loved ones too. And it doesn’t end there. They’ll come to your home as well and its happened to a few.

They’ve coined a term to describe the behavior as parasocial relationships. I don’t know if men experience the same but it‘s pretty common with women. The threads are mean spirited and they follow everything and comment. There’s a lot of hostility towards content creators. Even though they’re watching and learning from them the money is a problem. They expect the person to remain as-is although their circumstances have improved and the difference is bothersome.

And I learned lesson from Ree Drummond. She invited some people to her home years ago who worked in this space. They were able to see her life beyond the site. This was well before The Food Network. When they returned home they left scathing remarks about their visit and she was hurt. She meant well but she was too trusting and she never did it again.

This is a screenshot of a question someone asked about the hate.

~bella

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Great Music from the 70's

Faces ooh La La

Login to view embedded media I wish that I knew what I know now, when I was younger.

No truer words from the human experience have been uttered.
Wow. Just spotted Rod Stewart in the group. What a long, successful career he has had! And he's still singing ...
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The Desperate Mullahs of Iran

I have been asked why I said that Hamas was forced to ceasefire by their Islamic neighbors. It was Egypt and Qatar mainly; who brokered the agreement.
But Hamas lives and dies by the Islamic code of Victory or Death. They cannot concede defeat to the Infidel USA or Israel. So this ceasefire is just another temporary halt to their aim of taking over the entire land of Israel.
They simply make this latest deal to be a victory and the returning Palestinians wave the V sign, as they travel back to Gaza City.
I agree. It is a similar mentality that possessed the Japanese Empire during the 1930s and 1940s as it engaged in its mad attempt to conquer not only China and other Far Eastern countries, but even the United States of America. The divine Emperor was the very son of God who was believed to be utterly invincible. Likewise, Islamic rhetoric has always insisted on Islamic worldwide hegemony and, specifically, the extermination of the Jews along with other infidels. This cease fire is merely a long-needed time out in the battle for Hamas to regroup and reorganize.
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