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So Jesus Christ Has First Place

I'm so sorry to hear about your struggles and I pray the mass is non-cancerous and road to recovery is short. But I want to play devils advocate for a second because I think it's important. As followers of Christ, our lives are his, correct? That means that no matter what happens, we are in his hands. The Lord never promised us healing in this life, he promised us life in the next. The Lord never promised us complete protection, he warned us that some will be tested even until death, but no matter what we go through, we are to praise Him. So if the answer from the doctors is the worst possible scenario, have faith in Gods goodness, no matter what the outcome is because we know our faith will be rewarded. Again though, I do pray for your healing and recovery, if the Lord wills it. :praying:
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‘I was a stranger’: Let Mother Cabrini guide you in making room for others in your life

At a funeral Mass I attended last summer, a cell phone went off during the consecration. Of all things, the ringtone was the chorus of John Denver’s “Country Roads.” “Take me home to the place I belong. … “

Inappropriate as it was in the moment, the lyrics caused me to reflect — or better, to rejoice — in knowing that the deceased — a woman of great faith, who’d had recourse to the sacraments throughout her life — really was going home.
My family hosted a repast after the internment, welcoming extended family, friends and strangers into our home. For this time of grieving and fellowship, we invited them to make the place their home too. Sometimes homecoming is about going back to where you came from. Other times, it’s about finding belonging in a new place, in the unknown, in a space where you would otherwise be alone.

St. Frances Xavier Cabrini, known in her day as Mother Cabrini, devoted her life to helping immigrants find a place to call home on earth. In her way of living, she consequently guided the souls she encountered toward heaven.

Cultivating a generous heart​


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SO HOW DO YOU KNOW YOU ARE SAVED ??

And do you have a verse for the ELECT. ??

And I have one , why NOT. you FIRST since you BROUGHT it up. first. and then. I will answer YOU. !!

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Romans 8:33 Who shall bring a charge against God's elect? It is God who justifies. 34 Who is he who condemns? It is Christ who died, and furthermore is also risen, who is even at the right hand of God, who also makes intercession for us. 35 Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? Shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword? 36 As it is written: "For Your sake we are killed all day long; We are accounted as sheep for the slaughter." 37 Yet in all these things we are more than conquerors through Him who loved us. 38 For I am persuaded that neither death nor life, nor angels nor principalities nor powers, nor things present nor things to come, 39 nor height nor depth, nor any other created thing, shall be able to separate us from the love of God which is in Christ Jesus our Lord. NKJV

Paul asks who will bring a charge against God's elect? He answers his question in the same verse, it is God who justifies. Then Paul asks who condemns us. Then He answers that question- it is Jesus. God the Father has granted all judgment to Jesus. Next Paul defines the love Jesus has for us. In verse 39 Paul states that no created thing can separate us from the love of God which is in Jesus.

John 15:1 "I am the true vine, and My Father is the vinedresser. 2 Every branch in Me that does not bear fruit He takes away; and every branch that bears fruit He prunes, that it may bear more fruit. NKJV

Jesus is the vine and the Father, who is not a created thing, is the vinedresser. The vine dresser, the Father, separates all unfruitful branches from Jesus.

John 15:5 "I am the vine, you are the branches. He who abides in Me, and I in him, bears much fruit; for without Me you can do nothing. 6 If anyone does not abide in Me, he is cast out as a branch and is withered; and they gather them and throw them into the fire, and they are burned. 7 If you abide in Me, and My words abide in you, you will ask what you desire, and it shall be done for you. NKJV

Jesus went on to say that we must abide in Him. If we do not abide in Jesus, we will be unfruitful, and the Father will separate us from Jesus. So, what work must we do to abide in Jesus?

1 John 3:22 And whatever we ask we receive from Him, because we keep His commandments and do those things that are pleasing in His sight. 23 And this is His commandment: that we should believe on the name of His Son Jesus Christ and love one another, as He gave us commandment. 24 Now he who keeps His commandments abides in Him, and He in him. And by this we know that He abides in us, by the Spirit whom He has given us. NKJV

If we keep the 2 commandments given in verse 23 abides in Jesus. Anyone who abides in Jesus is the elect.
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U.S. bishops elect Archbishop Paul S. Coakley as USCCB president

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Numbers down but engagement up among youngest U.S. Catholic adults, survey finds

According to a new survey, engagement among U.S. adults who identify as Catholic is strong, especially among the youngest adults, and there is growing trust in the Church after the fallout of the clergy sexual abuse crisis of the early 2000s.

In July, Leadership Roundtable commissioned a polling firm to conduct a national survey of Catholics in the U.S. in order to inform Church leaders of problems as well as strengths within the Catholic Church since the sexual abuse crisis came to national attention in 2002 and the Charter for the Protection of Children and Young People was composed to address it.

Researchers composed a 72-question survey and divided respondents into three groups: the Faithful (1,541 respondents), the Occasional (472 respondents), and the Disengaged (1,020). The Faithful said they attend Mass at least monthly, the Occasional said they go a few times a year, and the Disengaged said they go “seldom” or “never.”

Although the Catholic Church in the U.S. has shrunk from 65 million to 50 million people in the more than two decades since the sexual abuse crisis and engagement is “at an all-time low,” the survey’s findings are cause for hope, the authors say.

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Trump faces backlash from base for defending H-1B visa program: 'People have to learn'

President Donald Trump prompted backlash among his political base this week for a recent interview during which he claimed the U.S. needs the H-1B visa system because the country lacks "certain talents" for some industries.

During an interview with Fox News host Laura Ingraham that aired Monday night, Trump pushed back when Ingraham was critical of H-1B visas, which provide temporary work permits for specialty occupations such as tech and engineering.

In response to Ingraham arguing that such visas flood the market and suppress U.S. wages, Trump said, "Well, I agree, but you also do have to bring in talent."

When Ingraham insisted the U.S. has "plenty of talented people here," Trump said, "No, you don't. No, you don't have certain talents, and people have to learn."

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Trump shouldn’t be fooled by Armenia’s corrupt and malicious prime minister

For Armenia, the first nation to adopt Christianity as its religion in 301 A.D., the stakes cannot be any higher. The country is facing total annihilation at the hands of its belligerent neighbors, Azerbaijan and Turkey, which are interested in recreating the Ottoman Empire. Its own leadership is acquiescing to them.

The current prime minister, Nikol Pashinyan, is jailing and punishing his political detractors, including the leadership of its oldest institution, the Armenian Apostolic Church.

On October 3, Archbishop Mikael Ajapahyan, the Primate of the Shirak Diocese, was sentenced to two years in prison for speaking out on the prime minister’s policies. Dozens of other church leaders have been arrested and await sentencing.

There are at least two reasons why the Trump administration should distance itself from Pashinyan.

First, Pashinyan’s domestic policy track record has been disastrous, and those regarding Artsakh is viewed as defeatist by most people in Armenia and the diaspora of Armenian Americans. Armenian Americans voted overwhelmingly for the Trump-Vance ticket in November 2024. If the Armenian voters perceive the administration’s support of Pashinyan as one leading to sacrificing Armenia’s interests to those of oil-rich Azerbaijan and strategically important Turkey, they may lose hope.

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Using AI vs. Talking To Humans

But what causes a next action/choice/decision is always caused by what was present prior to it, and those ones by ones that were before that, and so on and so forth,...
Just a reminder, if you base a "human choices are determined" argument on a statement like the above, you FIRST need to prove, or at least give very good evidence/argument for, that statement.

I'll save you some time by telling you I've read enough to know that that's never been done, from the days of the ancient Greeks to the days of Sam Harris and Daniel Dennett. But you're a smart guy, keep trying. If I am actually an atom puppet, I actually would like to know. :)
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Going to church could save your life

I’m willing to bet that either you’ve struggled with significant depression or you love someone who has. The new millennium has seen a surge in depression, anxiety, and suicidal ideation across the West.

Between 2015 and 2023 in the United States, the proportion of adults diagnosed with depression at some point in their lives went up by almost 10 percentage points to 29%. In the same period, the proportion of people who have been or are currently being treated for depression went up by 7 points to 17.8%. We’ve removed much of the shame and stigma once associated with mental health struggles. But we haven’t succeeded in reducing the struggles. Instead, they’ve spread like an oil spill, entrapping more and more of us like seagulls with our wings weighed down.

This mental health disaster has hit women hardest. We see ourselves as living in the most pro-woman culture in all human history. Yet women in our culture are increasingly unhappy. Thirty-seven percent of women now report being diagnosed with depression at some point in their lives, compared with 20% of men. The mental health crisis has also been particularly hard on younger people. In 2023, 27.3 percent of girls and 9.4 percent of boys ages 12 to 17 reported experiencing a major depressive episodein the past year, more than double the rates in 2004. Likewise, between 2009 and 2021, the share of American high school students who said they had “persistent feelings of sadness or hopelessness” rose from 26 percent to 44 percent. Tragically, between 2007 and 2021, the suicide rate among ten-to-twenty-four-year-olds also increased by 62 percent.

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BUSTED - 12 False theories refuted:

Not yet.
Isaiah 23:1-18 is instructive;
When Alexander the Great conquered ancient Tyre, he built a causeway out to the city. The people who were Israelites, mostly from the tribe of Asher, could see their demise was imminent, so they took to their ships and sailed away to settle in a far off land. Exactly as Isaiah 23:7b says.

In due course of time, they became great again. Their sea fortress; London, became the marketplace for the nations and they have founded colonies in distant places.

Now, be dismayed, for you have lost your military power and your Empire!
World Wars 1 and 2 bled the British Empire dry.

After the Lord has cleared and cleansed the Holy Land, they will support the new nation of Beulah, all the Lord’s faithful Christian peoples, living in all of the holy Land. Isaiah 62:1-5
Tribute will be brought to them from America and Britain. Isaiah 18:7

The total and complete clearing and cleansing of ALL the Holy Land, as many Prophesies say; Zephaniah 1:14-18, Hosea 4:3, Deuteronomy 32:34-43,
is yet to happen. Could be very soon!
Keras when thinking upon the evacuation from Tyre, there certainly were evacuations prior to the attack that being mainly of the elderly, woman and children to conserve on resources such as water and food prior and during Alexander’s siege they certainly had many other colonies for safe haven to do so. But as to the tribe of Asher fleeing on the Tyrian flotilla. I not so sure about that. The tribe of Asher was one of the 10 tribes from the northern kingdom were they not . I thought when the Nothern kingdom fell in the 735-720 campaigns . They were uprooted and deported into Assyria as per Assyrian policy and integrated into many Assyrian townships. The 10 tribes locations were known well enough outside the boundaries of Israel and where they were located in some New Testament references prior to the destruction of the temple in 70AD. After that destruction much is lost in histoy.and the sand dunes of time
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But back to Tyre . Israel certainly had good relations with Tyre. Some call it the golden age of Israel. More so with King David and king Solomon with the building of the temple, trade agreements and interaction of other pleasures with extra wives and concubines that King Solomon did very much enjoy with his friendship with Tyre . Whether Jews were a large part of the Tyrian community at the time of Alexander’s the Greats invasion of Tyre. And more so from the tribe of Asher’ I have not been able to ascertain. Yours Kathleen
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Verses that screen superficial believers out of the Kingdom of God

Doubting again...
God has provided a perfect way to be eternally secure in Christ (consider John 3), and to be saved from everlasting wrath (Romans 5:9).

Saving faith happens when people hear the message about Christ and are drawn to Him by the Father (Romans 10:17; John 6:44-45; 65). Sadly, while many hear the truth (Matthew 22:14) few will be drawn by the Father to Christ.

Those who are drawn and believe have already been securely placed together with Christ “in the heavens...so that in the coming ages he might display the immeasurable riches of his grace through his kindness to us in Christ Jesus” (Ephesians 2:6-7). This is all God’s work. Apart from His unmerited favour (grace) we cannot do anything to bring about our salvation.

Those who are drawn and believe are guaranteed “eternal life in the age to come” (Mark 10:30), and no one can “snatch them” from Christ’s hand or from the Father’s hand (John 10:28-29).

Those who have been drawn by the Father and are now secure in Christ will be changed by God’s ongoing “good work” in their lives (Philippians 1:6; 2:13). This is the process of their sanctification (consider 1 Thessalonians 4:3; Romans 6:19; 22).

The sanctifying work of the Spirit always follows salvation. By His Holy Spirit He patiently equips those He has securely saved “with everything good to do his will...through Jesus Christ” (Hebrews 13:21).

If God has drawn you to Christ and you have believed the message you have heard, you are secure in every sense—you are saved. If God has done this work in you, over time you will grow spiritually as you prayerfully follow and obey His teaching. There will be many challenges, but you will grow.

However, trying to follow and obey His teaching without being drawn and saved will be a wearisome religious experience. It will produce a messy muddle you can’t resolve.

Those who are familiar with God’s truth in the Bible but have never been drawn by the Father will be unable to “grow in the grace and knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ” (2 Peter 3:18). This is a hard truth to come to terms with, but it explains much of the confusion many struggle with for years, or even decades.

But there is always hope—hope that hearing the message of Christ will produce a living, saving faith that is the result of God’s inner work. No one is shut out who can understand the message of Christ. Respond and believe. After that, the work is His.
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Is purgatory a Biblical or extra biblical teaching?

Can it be clearly seen in Scripture or is it just something 'alluded' to, but not contextually supported.

For simplicity sake, can I humbly ask that extemporaneous writings and history be minimized (please don't write 1,000 words) and Scripture be emphasized.

Let's start with one verse at a time, discuss the verse contextually and then go to the next - just a suggestion.


Again - query answered - Purgatory is extra biblical.

No the concept of Purgatory is not "extra Biblical".

One passage that I think is important to the discussion is Hebrews 12:3-14. This is the RSV translation. Shortened a bit for brevity but you can easily read the entire passage if you wish. Note that different translations will vary with language – “discipline, punishment, chastisement”. All mean the same thing.

7 It is for discipline that you have to endure. God is treating you as sons; for what son is there whom his father does not discipline? 8 If you are left without discipline, in which all have participated, then you are illegitimate children and not sons. 9 Besides this, we have had earthly fathers to discipline us and we respected them. Shall we not much more be subject to the Father of spirits and live? 10 For they disciplined us for a short time at their pleasure, but he disciplines us for our good, that we may share his holiness. 11 For the moment all discipline seems painful rather than pleasant; later it yields the peaceful fruit of righteousness to those who have been trained by it….. 14 Strive for peace with all men, and for the holiness without which no one will see the Lord.

You may ask, what does this have to do with Purgatory when it is most certainly talking about the Lord’s discipline in our life right now? I think it’s important to the discussion because it negates the idea promoted by some that once we accept Christ’s “finished” work on the cross there is no longer any punishment or discipline due to us related to our sin. This is not true. Christ’s sacrifice on the cross removes the eternal consequence of sin – eternal separation from God. It does not negate discipline or punishment related to our sins in the temporal sense. And this passage shows us some important things. God disciplines us for our own good and this is necessary so that we may share his holiness, and we should strive for this holiness for without it we will not see the Lord.

The question then becomes whether or not we all achieve this holiness in this lifetime. I often turn to this evangelical site when I want a perspective different than the Catholic one. And it says this:

In the final analysis, there is nothing in Scripture that teaches that believers will become perfect in this life. Entire sanctification will take place when we reach heaven, but not until. The expectation is that believers on earth will continue to sin and need to be cleansed (1 John 1:9). It is realistic to expect that Christians will not live in conscious sinful rebellion against God, but sin is too pervasive to ever escape its contaminations in this life.

This Christian author indicates that our sanctification will be completed when we reach heaven. As a Catholic I would simply disagree with him, it is completed on our way there – Purgatory.

Then we get to 1 Corinthians 3:11-1515
11 For no other foundation can any one lay than that which is laid, which is Jesus Christ. 12 Now if any one builds on the foundation with gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, straw— 13 each man’s work will become manifest; for the Day will disclose it, because it will be revealed with fire, and the fire will test what sort of work each one has done. 14 If the work which any man has built on the foundation survives, he will receive a reward. 15 If any man’s work is burned up, he will suffer loss, though he himself will be saved, but only as through fire.

The ”Day” when our works our revealed and tested is clearly our judgment day.

There are those (including some in this thread) who want to insist this is about our works alone being consumed in the fire and has nothing to do with the person. But verse 15 pretty clearly states that “If any man’s work is burned up, he will suffer loss, though he himself will be saved, but only as through fire”. Clearly we are not a mere “observer” in this purification by fire but our person is the object of it.

I know you asked for brevity for topics like this can’t be handled with a random Scripture or two tossed out. It’s a concept, and Purgatory is indeed a quite Biblical concept. But to summarize in brief

1) God punishes/disciplines/chastises us according to the sin in our lives for the purpose of bringing us to share in his holiness (Hebrews 12:10)
2) This process is not pleasant and can be painful (Hebrews 12:11)
3) We are to strive for this holiness and will not see God until we attain it (Hebrews 12:14)
4) There is nothing in Scripture that indicates this state of entire sanctification or holiness will be completed in this life
5) After our death we will be saved, but only as through fire as our works of stubble are purged from us. (1 Corinthians 3:15). God will complete our process of sanctification until it is thoroughly completed and all traces of sin have been purged from us.
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What were your expectations as a new Christian?

I'm not sure, to be honest. I started going to church as a young adult who already had faith, and was looking for "more" than I had experienced in personal, private prayer and Bible reading. I found that "more," but it was a very mixed bag! (This kind of covers your next question, too).

I went to an Anglican parish that (I didn't realise at the time) was quite low church and charismatic. On the one hand, there were real strengths, such as the valuing of the gifts of all the members, and seeing the whole church as active participants in the church's life and mission. On the other hand, there were real weaknesses, as well; it was quite an unhealthy place in some ways, and I ended up leaving due to the really limited opportunities for women.

Now, nearly thirty years on from those first visits, I think I have a much more realistic view of the church as a deeply flawed and compromised institution, through which God still works. I've also been able to find ways to grow, contribute, and pursue my own sense of vocation (these days I work in a mix of hospital chaplaincy and parish ministry as a priest). I think the key thing is to look to God, and be discerning about what the church offers.
You have a unique view as someone who is a leader within the Church.

Looking back on your early life as a Christian, do you feel like you received the support you needed from the church and church leadership? Since you said you left due to limited opportunity, it sounds like that is a no, but I don't want to assume.

As a leader now, do you feel like any expectations you had in your earlier Christian life were unreasonable? Or perhaps the opposite. Do you feel like you should have expected more from God, the Church, other Christians, etc.?

Do those early experiences shape the way you minister as a Church leader today, specifically when dealing with new or young Christians?
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Hell doesn't exist and there is no eternal suffering, instead bad peolle just cease to exist

Ah, of course. The ol' "You deny Jesus' teachings!" and "Are you calling God a monster?! *gasp* " strawman arguments from the eternal torment proponents.

Say, what did Jesus teach about what happens to souls who end up in "hell" (the original word was Gehenna in the gospel verses, if my understanding is correct, but hey, why not just throw the term hell over it instead in the King James translation and get those masses in the pews automatically thinking about a Dante's Inferno-esque place of endless suffering, instead, right?), anyways? Ah, yes; He used the term destroy in Matthew 10:28.

And no, you aren't going to convince me that "destroy doesn't mean what you annihilationists think it means", so please don't bother. The point is, we have good reason to believe Jesus taught something differently concerning hell/Gehenna/second death than eternal conscious torment proponents do, so no one is outright rejecting anything that came out of Jesus' mouth. It's just the hell proponents wanting to assert that anyone who disagrees with them on that particular theological subject are denying Christ and His teachings; a nice and simple auto-shutdown tactic that will get anyone merely questioning the Scriptural legitimacy of eternal torment in hell to immediately shut up and question no further, because they've all but been plainly told that they go against God Himself if they do so.




I tell you one thing, starting about 11 years ago after wondering and searching on this matter, I no longer can do that. Quite frankly I instead worry that I would be committing a great sin of insulting God and maligning His character by willingly going back to believing in the eternal torment and immortal souls doctrine just because it's the most fearful interpretation of the fate of unbelievers, when I have been shown that it just doesn't have sufficient basis in Sctipture from a plainer reading (and without the sheer presupposition that all human souls were created immortal).

And I just can't see anymore that Jesus, the Slaughtered Lamb, Who went to the cross and endured at least six hours of intense suffering and humiliation for the sake of us idiotic, and sometimes downright wicked, human sinners - while teaching us The Golden Rule, to love our neighbors and our enemies, to forgive seventy times seven, etc. - is also intent on burning His enemies alive forever. It just doesn't compute, I'm sorry.
Who are you to tell God that He can't torment unbelievers in the lake of fire for all eternity. He said it, you reject it at your own peril.

I would never attempt to convince you to believe what God has said, because I know most "professing Christians" don't believe what God has said, because it hurts their feelings, I get it.

You obviously reject, Matt 4:4 "But He answered and said, 'It is written: “Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceeds from the mouth of God.”
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The Thing Most Sabbath Keepers Do not Talk About.

So to 'call a spade a spade' you are saying I am inspired by Satan.
I am not at all surprised.

Have a great day.

Jesus teaches that the Pharisees rejected God's Commandments that they might live by and promote their own Laws, Laws that included but wasn't limited to the condemnation and subsequent murder of Jesus and Stephen, and the Prophets before them. Paul teaches that they were ignorant of God's righteousness, and went about to establishing their own righteousness, have not "submitted themselves" unto the righteousness "of God".

You are promoting a popular religious teaching of this world, that the Pharisees, including the "zealous ones like Saul", were "blameless" promoting "God's Laws" to the Jews, Gentile converts and Galatians.

I'm just showing that this popular teaching isn't from the Bible. I have no control over what you do with this information.


Thank you for your judgement Mr. Studyman. As you know little about me and my walk with God I will leave it in the round file under my desk.

Maybe the Scriptures I posted for your review and discussion are worthy of more honor than the round file under your desk. That is the only judgment I make.
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Lost tribes of Israel

The Christian belief that Jews are not saved stems from religious conflicts during the emergence of Christianity and its subsequent separation from Judaism. It is based on the view that Jesus is the Messiah and Son of G-d, which is not recognised as such by Jews, and has led to a long history of discrimination and the idea that Jews are damned because of their rejection of Christian doctrine.

Unfortunately, there are anti-Jewish movements that have reinforced this thinking. For a long time, many Christians claimed that Christianity had replaced Israel as the people of G-d. The Jews had lost their election by rejecting Christ. This doctrine has led to a long and sad history of anti-Semitism in Germany and many other Christian countries.

The fact is that many of G-d's promises to His people, the Jews, are coming true today. If we know them, we can see how this is happening before our very eyes.
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The Revolutionary Becomes a Martyr

Once a Revolutionary, the convert stood before the wall a confirmed Cristero, executed by firing squad, on August 21, 1927.

A Conversion Journey


Top thread in St Basil the Great's Hall :oldthumbsup:
Here's the thing - that thread is one thread, and the story I want to tell will be very long. I'd rather tell it in "installments", one post at a time, at my leisure, because I'm too lazy to write a small book, lol. I'm wondering if anyone would have a problem with me doing it here in the main forum.
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