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fhansen · 2025-11-20T17:53:47-0600

Dan1988 said:
I have never read any of John Calvin's books, I'm too busy studying theology. In any case I'm sure Calvin, never claimed that God created some specific purpose of tormenting them in hell.

Um...Institutes of the Christian Religion is theology. What theology do you study-Jack Chick? Anyway, it appears you're again sure of what you don't know.

FreeinChrist · 2025-11-20T17:36:06-0600

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GloryToHisName · 2025-11-20T17:33:52-0600

GloryToHisName said:
Daniel 9:27 — “The Week, the Half, and the One Week”

Many translations simplify Daniel 9:27 to “in the middle of the week.”
But the Hebrew text reads more intricately:

הַשָּׁבוּעַ חֲצִי הָאֶחָד שָׁבוּעַ
ha-shavua ḥetzi ha-eḥad shavua
Literal order: “the week, the half, and the one week.”

This layered structure suggests not just a single “half-week,” but a week and a half —
a full week plus the midpoint of another.

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Word-by-Word Breakdown

HebrewTransliterationMeaning

הַשָּׁבוּעַha-shavuathe week
חֲצִיḥetzithe half
הָאֶחָדha-eḥadthe one
שָׁבוּעַshavuaweek

Pattern: “the week → the half → the one week.”
That sequence naturally reads as “a week and a half (of one week).”

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Interpretive Sense

“He will cause the many of the covenant to prevail for the week and a half of the one week.”

This keeps every word of the Hebrew and shows a continuous covenant period —
a full week completed, then the half of another week where the covenant breaks
and the sacrifice and offering cease.

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Timeline

Week One → Half of Next Week → TakeAway Sacrifice Ends

This pattern fits the prophetic rhythm of Daniel’s vision —
not merely “half of one week,” but a week and a half in total,
bridging one com
plete period into the opening half of the next.

> My translation:
“Know and understand from the going forth of the word to build and restore Jerusalem for an anointed one and a ruler, seven sevens; 60 weeks, the second; and again it shall be returned and built.”

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1. “Know and understand from the going forth of the word to build and restore Jerusalem”

Hebrew: מִן־מֹצָא דָבָר לִבְנוֹת וְלְהָשִׁיב יְרוּשָׁלִם

Infinitives לִבְנוֹת (to build) and לְהָשִׁיב (to restore) are coordinated with וְ (and) to indicate purpose/result, not ongoing action.

Order: build first, restore second, reflecting structural construction followed by functional restoration.

Keeping these infinitives in one continuous sentence preserves the Hebrew sequence, avoiding fragmentation seen in many standard translations.

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2. “For an anointed one and a ruler, seven sevens”

Hebrew: לְנָגִיד וּמָשִׁיחַ שִׁבְעָה שִׁבְעִים

נָגִיד = ruler; מָשִׁיחַ = anointed one.

שִׁבְעָה שִׁבְעִים literally = “seven sevens” (7×7 = 49 years).

Singular forms for “seven” (שִׁבְעָה) are used multiplicatively, justifying 7-7s instead of 77. See Genesis 4:24 for parallel usage. This allows for wordplay: the total period from Cyrus to Artaxerxes can be seen as 77 years, while the 7×7 form highlights the 49-year interval actually taken for the rebuilding and restoration. The Hebrew construction permits both readings simultaneously, showing both the full historical span and the structural timing of the restoration.

Historically: anointed one = Cyrus, ruler = Artaxerxes, marking the period required for initial rebuilding and restoration.

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3. “Wordplay on 49 years and 77”

77 years = total from Cyrus to Artaxerxes; 49 years = 7×7, the time actually taken to build and restore.

This reflects a Hebrew literary technique where numbers convey historical and structural significance, not just sequential counting.

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4. “60 weeks, the second”

Hebrew: שִׁשִּׁים הַשֵּׁנִי

שִׁשִּׁים = 60 (cardinal), הַשֵּׁנִי = “the second” (ordinal).

Marks the 60th week in the second 70-week cycle, not the start of the second cycle.

Historical marker: Jerusalem returned and rebuilt under Israeli control in 1967. Counting backward identifies Suleiman (1542) as the ruler who restored the city’s walls.

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5. “And again it shall be returned and built”

Infinitive + imperfect וְשׁוּב יִבָּנֶה וְיָשֻׁב preserves purpose/result.

Refers to the second return/building (1967), aligning with historical Israel.

Full second 70-week cycle concludes in 2032, marking the Righteous Age under Christ’s rule.

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Integration with Daniel 9:24 (dual 70-week cycles):

In Daniel 9:24, the Hebrew חֻלַּק (chullaq) means “divided” or “portioned,” highlighting that the seventy weeks are split into two distinct 70-week cycles, each with its own purpose.

Seventy weeks are **divided out** for your people and your holy city:

Key grammatical points:

1. Infinitives form a single coordinated sequence, not separate sets.

2. Infinitives indicate purpose/result, not ongoing action.

3. Numerical wordplay (7-7s / 49 years) aligns with Hebrew usage.

4. Ordinal “second” marks the 60th week in the second 70-week cycle.

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Interpretive Summary:

Two sequential 70-week cycles:

1. First 70 weeks: Artaxerxes → rebuilding/restoration → Messiah.

2. Second 70 weeks: Suleiman restores walls (1542) → second return under Israeli control (1967) → full cycle concludes 2032 → Righteous Age.

Preserving Hebrew infinitives, numeric wordplay, and ordinal markers allows English readers to follow both the literary structure and historical/eschatological flow.

Lady Bug · 2025-11-20T17:28:08-0600

RileyG said:
God bless you.

I have no further comment.

I think things are dawning on me now that he didn't tell us (even my mom) whether he truly believed in the religion or not. He kept some secular aspects of it like hygiene and absolutely refused to eat pork whatsoever, but toward the end of his life he started opening up to me about how Mo wasn't the great guy that Muslims say he was, and that he wasn't a prophet or a role model, but that you can't say anything about this to anyone or else you can get killed. He never came out to me and said he's an apostate - I told him once or twice (I'm paraphrasing): "You know, if you believe in those things, that disqualifies you from being an actual Muslim, you would even qualify as an apostate." (the latter "apostate" part, I think I have actually said, though)

He would look right at me, not admit anything and stay silent for a few seconds. It really makes me wonder how much he didn't tell us. I think he was pretending this entire time while I was growing up that he believed in "the prophet" and I'm very skeptical now. He literally took this to the grave with him, let's put it that way.

Bro.T · 2025-11-20T17:23:46-0600

The Lord created man from the dust of the ground and commanded the man not to eat of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil (this tree represents Satan) which was in the midst of the Garden of Eden. The fruit that this tree produced was lies. Eve listen to the lies that were told to her by Satan, she believed him and told the lies to Adam. He listened to the voice of his wife and their disobedience toward God's commandment to not eat of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil brought death upon them as well as upon all mankind. "For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.” (Romans 6:23)

So now Satan has destroyed man, God's creation, through iniquity. So the Lord sought out faithful men to serve him (Abraham, Isaac, & Jacob) so that he could redeem the creation. He made his covenant with Abraham, then passed it down to his seed Isaac, then to Jacob, then to Jacob's 12 sons, for which Moses came out of the lineage of Levi. And Moses went up unto God, and the LORD called unto him out of the mountain, saying, ‘Thus shalt thou say to the house of Jacob, and tell the children of Israel; Ye have seen what I did unto the Egyptians, and how I bare you on eagles' wings, and brought you unto myself. Now therefore, if ye will obey my voice indeed, and keep my covenant, then ye shall be a peculiar treasure unto me above all people: for all the earth is mine: And ye shall be unto me a kingdom of priests, and an holy nation. These are the words, which thou shalt speak unto the children of Israel.” (Exodus 19:3-6)

The Lord chose Israel to teach the rest of the sons of Adam his laws and statues. "For thou art an holy people unto the LORD thy God: the LORD thy God hath chosen thee to be a special people unto himself, above all people that are upon the face of the earth. The LORD did not set his love upon you, nor choose you, because ye were more in number than any people; for ye were the fewest of all people: But because the LORD loved you, and because he would keep the oath which he had sworn unto your fathers, hath the LORD brought you out with a mighty hand, and redeemed you out of the house of bondmen, from the hand of Pharaoh king of Egypt.

Know therefore that the LORD thy God, he is God, the faithful God, which keepeth covenant and mercy with them that love him and keep his commandments to a thousand generations; And repayeth them that hate him to their face, to destroy them: he will not be slack to him that hateth him, he will repay him to his face. Thou shalt therefore keep the commandments, and the statutes, and the judgments, which I command thee this day, to do them.” (Deuteronomy 7:6-11)

"I say the truth in Christ, I lie not, my conscience also bearing me witness in the Holy Ghost, That I have great heaviness and continual sorrow in my heart. For I could wish that myself were accursed from Christ for my brethren, my kinsmen according to the flesh: Who are Israelites; to whom pertaineth the adoption, and the glory, and the covenants, and the giving of the law, and the service of God, and the promises; Whose are the fathers, and of whom as concerning the flesh Christ came, who is over all, God blessed for ever. Amen.” (Romans 9:1-5)

As Israel goes, so goes the whole world. Israel failed to keep the covenant of God so God punished Israel. "Hear this word that the LORD hath spoken against you, O children of Israel, against the whole family which I brought up from the land of Egypt, saying, You only have I known of all the families of the earth: therefore I will punish you for all your iniquities." (Amos 3: 1-2) "Ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me. I, even I, am the LORD; and beside me there is no savior. I have declared, and have saved, and I have showed, when there was no strange god among you: therefore ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, that I am God. Yea, before the day was I am he; and there is none that can deliver out of my hand: I will work, and who shall let it?

This people have I formed for myself; they shall show forth my praise. But thou hast not called upon me, O Jacob; but thou hast been weary of me, O Israel. Thou hast not brought me the small cattle of thy burnt offerings; neither hast thou honoured me with thy sacrifices. I have not caused thee to serve with an offering, nor wearied thee with incense. Thou hast bought me no sweet cane with money, neither hast thou filled me with the fat of thy sacrifices: but thou hast made me to serve with thy sins, thou hast wearied me with thine iniquities. I, even I, am he that blotteth out thy transgressions for mine own sake, and will not remember thy sins. Put me in remembrance: let us plead together: declare thou, that thou mayest be justified. Thy first father hath sinned, and thy teachers have transgressed against me. Therefore I have profaned the princes of the sanctuary, and have given Jacob to the curse and Israel to reproaches.” (Isaiah 43: 10-13 & 21-28)

Michie · 2025-11-20T17:04:53-0600

Welcome to CF! :wave:

Hentenza · 2025-11-20T17:02:55-0600

NotreDame said:
More importantly is you ignore the entire phrase of the verse. The Greek is those “who HABITUALLY/PRACTICES SIN are slaves to sin.”

Can you justify your Greek interpretation of this verse? Where in the language does it translate to “habitually/practices”?

jonojim1337 · 2025-11-20T17:00:09-0600

In my experience, God makes a way, but maybe not how we ask for it. Why is it that you can’t scale your family business? Regarding your marriage, let me just laugh at that.

But a pro tip, if you have trouble making ends meet, there’s no shame in going to a food bank, or a church that does it. There are also apps that let you buy surplus goods and due date items, like Too Good to Go. If you search it you might get other apps more relevant to your area.

Fervent · 2025-11-20T16:58:53-0600

JosephZ said:
Anyone who has made a serious effort to study Islam knows that abrogation is a very complex and controversial subject. Very few verses found in the Qur'an have been agreed on as being abrogated among scholars, and of those that have, none override the verses that teach tolerance, coexistence, and peace. A far more important concept in understanding Islamic jurisprudence is puting things in historical and cultural context when reading any Islamic texts

Only with modernist revisionism. As you seem to recognize down below.

JosephZ said:
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The Muslims that were being spoken to in the Qur'an and the classic scholars lived in a different culture, at a different point in time, and were facing unique situations. You can't read the Qur'an, hadiths, or the tasfirs from a modern perspective, you have to read them through a historical lens, if not, you will continue to misinterpret what they are saying.

Are Muslims or are Muslims not supposed to imitate Muhammad as the ideal moral example for all humanity? how then can you claim that we have to understand him in his historical situation? And is the Qu'ran the timeless revelation of Allah or is it a contextual document intended only for those who were in the unique situation of 7th century Arabia?

JosephZ said:
The violent verses found in the Qur'an don't abrogate the verses of peace because of the context they were written in. There are certain situations where the verses of peace apply, and others where the verses of violence apply, therefore, each verse has a specific context and application. In other words, each verse in the Qur'an is to be applied to its appropriate situation. For example, when Qur'an 9:5 says "When the Sacred Months have passed, kill the polytheists wherever you find them. And capture them, and besiege them, and lie in wait for them at every ambush," it is dealing with a specific event at a point in history when Meccan pagans were breaking their peace treaties and declaring war on the Muslims, so that verse would not negate the peaceful verses in the Qur'an since it is very specific to it's intent and the point in history it was to be applied

A claim that only arose in the 20th century among modernists, while all historic interpreters were agreed that they very much do.

JosephZ said:
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Neither the Qur'an nor the hadith can be properly interpreted without putting them into the historical and cultural context they were written in.

A claim that is more modern attempts at whitewashing it into something it isn't.

JosephZ said:
According to Islamic teachings, Muslims are to emulate Muhammad's character traits like honesty, compassion, and humility and his ethical principles. Muslims understand the historical context in which the Qur'an was written. They see his actions as a warrior to have been appropriate for situations Muslims faced in the 7th century and not as mandates for Muslims to follow in 2025.

Another white-washing and nothing more.

JosephZ said:
You do realise that Muslims also had to pay taxes (zakāt)? And the tax was for the betterment of society as a whole. Would it be fair for non-Muslims to live in an Islamic state and receive all of the benefits and protections offered by that state without any contribution to the costs involved?

With humiliation? The issue isn't "taxes' it's that jizya is designed to humiliate the people paying it and make their second class status clear.

JosephZ said:
In very simple terms, Dar al Islam (House of Islam) historically was a Muslim land with a Muslim government where Islamic law governed. Dar al Harb (House of War) was a land not under an Islamic government or Islamic law, which was openly hostile towards Muslims. Since there are no countries or states that fit these definitions today, the terms are no longer used by Muslims for the most part.

there was no "openly hostile" requirement. It is either under islamic control or is "at war" for not being subjugated. You can't whitewash it when there was no 3rd option.

JosephZ said:
The only people who talk about jizyah, abrogation, the division of the world into dar-al-Islam and dar-al-harb, and cite Qur'an 9:29 as an open-ended command to Muslims to fight until the end of time today are Islamic extremists and anti-Islamic propagandists. So when someone like yourself presents Islam the way you have in this thread and others, it's clear to me, as someone who has a strong background in Islam, that your understanding of this religion comes from those sources and not the actual teachings and understanding of Islam that the vast majority of the world's Muslims adhere to.

I prefer Islamic fundamentalists to calling them "extremists" because they are simply practicing the religion in its purest form. Speaking the truth about Islamic jurisprudence and history isn't "anti-Islamic propaganda" it's not giving in to Islamic pressure and accusations for the sake of political correctness.

Vambram · 2025-11-20T16:37:20-0600

Uncovered docs show top teachers union guiding gender transitions, bashing conservatives: 'Insane asylum'

Defending Education obtained documents showing one of the nation's top teachers unions training members on far-left gender identity postures while criticizing conservatives.

www.foxnews.com

The progressive left wing liberals really do want to indoctrinate your children against what parents believe.

RileyG · 2025-11-20T16:26:23-0600

rebornfree said:
We're praying in Church, for it not to become law, and I've written to my MP twice, urging him to vote against it. I know others have written too. There are some of us in England and Wales who see the dangers of it going ahead, including many medical personnel and disability groups.

continued prayers the UK does the right thing and protects the most vulnerable! :prayer:

RileyG · 2025-11-20T16:24:38-0600

Maria Billingsley said:
My opinion on this article:

The push to display the Ten Commandments, while respecting them as a moral foundation, misses the central point of the Christian faith. It would be better to feature the Beatitudes, as these teachings from Jesus Christ of Nazareth truly represent the New Covenant's emphasis on mercy, humility, and the spirit of discipleship.

Matthew 5:3–10
* “Blessed are the poor in spirit, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
* Blessed are those who mourn, for they shall be comforted.
* Blessed are the meek, for they shall inherit the earth.
* Blessed are those who hunger and thirst for righteousness, for they shall be filled.
* Blessed are the merciful, for they shall obtain mercy.
* Blessed are the pure in heart, for they shall see God.
* Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be called sons of God.
* Blessed are those who are persecuted for righteousness' sake, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven."

I agree. Not to mention, there are different versions of the 10 Commandments.

essentialsaltes · 2025-11-20T16:23:45-0600

Did NYC break world record for real estate listings after Mamdani's win?

Originated as Satire

RileyG · 2025-11-20T16:23:05-0600

Thanks for sharing.

I thought in the UK it was normal to have prayer in public schools because they had a state religion? The more you know!

RileyG · 2025-11-20T16:21:48-0600

Michie said:
Elective abortion is always wrong not only because the Church says so but because I have always believed that as a Christian.

Amen. It's slaughter of the most innocent. Selfish and cruel. Anyone who kills their own child in the name of choice deserves the wrath of God.

RileyG · 2025-11-20T16:20:30-0600

Michie said:
Comedian Bill Maher denounced the Left's embrace of gender ideology earlier this week and claimed many on his side of the political spectrum are not scientifically sound.

During a discussion with fellow comedian Patton Oswalt on Maher's "Club Random" podcast, which aired Monday, the two discussed the post-election soul-searching among Democrats, with Oswalt pushing back against the notion that Democrats have veered too far to the political fringe.

Oswalt suggested that the widespread notion that Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, D-N.Y., is "too far left" shows the country is "broken," adding that the U.S. is still reeling from having "freaked out" over the election of former President Barack Obama.

Continued below.

Bill Maher blasts Left for having 'freaked out' over gender ideology: 'That's not scientific'

Comedian Bill Maher denounced the Left s embrace of gender ideology earlier this week and claimed many on his side of the political spectrum are not scientifically sound

www.christianpost.com

It's more sociological than anything. How people expresses themselves change with the times. Nothing new here, and that certainly relates to gender and gender expression.

essentialsaltes · 2025-11-20T16:20:09-0600

Andrew Paul Johnson, 44, was arrested in Tennessee in August and extradited to Florida on charges of lewd/lascivious molestation, lewd/lascivious exhibition and transmission of material harmful to a minor.

The child said he confronted Johnson, who apologized and told the child not to tell anyone "since he would get in trouble," the affidavit says. Johnson mailed the child an iPhone "and told him to keep it a secret," the document alleges.

The sheriff's office said in the affidavit that Discord messages showed Johnson sneaking to the child's home to take him food and hang out with him. He also told the child that "since he was pardoned for storming the Capitol on January 6th, 2021, and he was being awarded $10,000,000 as a result of being a ‘jan 6’er’ ... that he would be putting him in his ‘will’ to take any money he had left over," according to the affidavit.

Court documents from [the Jan 6] case said Johnson, who referred to himself as "American Terrorist" and "Proud j6er," engaged in "disorderly and disruptive conduct" for more than four hours.

RileyG · 2025-11-20T16:19:36-0600

eleos1954 said:
"Note that Vance has not suggested coercion or ultimatum. In fact, he has explicitly rejected force, saying, “But if she doesn't, then God says everybody has free will, and so that doesn't cause a problem for me.”

He is correct with this ... they have chosen to not make it a stumbling block ... I am certain he prays for her continuously

Amen. He wants her salvation which is admirable. IMHO.

RileyG · 2025-11-20T16:17:04-0600

"Feeling" God's presence is not important. Faith is not based on feelings. Sounds like some people were not properly taught Christianity, which is really unfortunate. God is always there, regardless of our "feelings." God is faithful.

Praying for a revival for both the United States and Canada :prayer:

RileyG · 2025-11-20T16:15:55-0600

Maybe it will change when they get older? Considering having children is a biological instinct that one cannot ignore. Just my two cents.

RileyG · 2025-11-20T16:15:14-0600

Lord, protect your faithful!

RileyG · 2025-11-20T16:12:22-0600

essentialsaltes said:
In a video of a sermon he gave, Yosef claims that the messiah will come in 15 years and that 200 years after that, the world will end.

I thought YEC in Judaism was relatively rare. I mean this one guy doesn't make it common, but if his party is behind that, it represents about a tenth of the knesset.

Interesting. I don't know much about ultra-orthodox Jewish people, but I know they are rather insular, and think those who aren't ultra-orthodox aren't truly Jews.

essentialsaltes · 2025-11-20T16:08:46-0600

Natalie Greene, 26, of Ocean City was charged with one count of conspiracy to convey false statements and hoaxes and one count of making false statements to federal law enforcement.

Late at night on July 23, 2025, Greene’s co-conspirator called 911 and reported that she and Greene had been attacked by three men when they were out walking on a trail at a nature preserve in Egg Harbor Township. According to the co-conspirator, during the attack, the men had called Greene by name and had specifically referenced her employment with Federal Official 1, an official whose identity is known to the Government.

When law enforcement officers located Greene, she was lying in a wooded area just off the trail, with her hands and feet bound together with black zip ties. Greene’s shirt was pulled over her head and was also tied with a black zip tie. Greene had numerous lacerations on her face, neck, upper chest, and shoulder. The words “TRUMP [STRUMPET]” were written on her stomach and the words “[Federal Official 1] IS RACIST” were written on her back. Greene was crying and yelling that one of her alleged attackers had a gun.

[But this was not true.] Greene had paid a body modification/scarification artist to deliberately cut the lacerations on her face, neck, upper chest, and shoulder

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Many people are saying she was a staffer of Rep. Jeff Van Drew (R-NJ). Warning, the lacerations are pretty nasty.

RileyG · 2025-11-20T16:08:25-0600

stevevw said:
I have been thinking about the current political claimte and how people are being cancelled and even killed for their views. Is street preaching or declaring the gospel in public now a dangerous occupation.

It can be. if anything, some people are annoyed by it and will harass and embarrass preachers.

RileyG · 2025-11-20T16:07:19-0600

Yarddog said:
I've never had a negative experience with the Eucharist. I have received miraculous healing though.

Amen, brother!

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