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FBI Artic Frost targeting Conservatives

You do realize that narrative in that link was published by members of the Democratic Party, right?
Are you asserting that Kirk didn't take the 5th when asked about deleting his text messages? (and virtually everything else he was asked about)

Given the putative topic of this thread, what do you make of the fact that Kirk was not targeted by any criminal indictments, despite him fiffing his way through this interview? He was specifically instructed that...

I will also note that the Fifth Amendment provides a witness the ability to refuse
to answer a question if they have a reasonable belief that a truthful answer could be used
against them in a criminal prosecution, not simply because the witness would prefer not
to answer the question.
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When you think abortion is okay…

People can care about gun control, protecting the unborn, caring for the less fortunate. It's not so black and white.

I absolutely agree.

It's precisely the black and white thinking that I'm objecting to in this thread.

People are allowed to have nuanced opinions.

-CryptoLutheran
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The fascinating reformed theology paradox of Hebrew 6:4-6

So Ro 8 is true only in certain circumstances, not across all God's word and, therefore, has no bearing outside Ro?

Is gravity true across God's earth, or only in certain circumstances?
“I could just as easily reverse your question and ask why you believe Hebrews 6:4–6 applies only under certain circumstances. The issue isn’t that Scripture fails to agree with itself, but that human interpretation sometimes pits one passage against another.

Take your gravity example: some people think astronauts float in orbit because there’s no gravity, when in fact it’s gravity itself that holds them in orbit. Gravity hasn’t failed—people’s understanding of it has. In the same way, God’s Word is consistent; it is our reasoning that can become inconsistent.

Predestination means the destination is ordained, but Scripture also shows that a response of faith is necessary. If you refuse to get on the vehicle God provides to take you to that destination, you won’t arrive. Romans 8 demonstrates God’s sovereign purpose and assurance for those in Christ, while Hebrews 6 provides a sober warning against rejecting that grace. Both stand true, not in contradiction, but in harmony.”
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AI's Take On Religious Hypocrisy...

It is like you are expecting us to give an account for the misbehaviors of XINOs [christians-in-name-only].

Has it not occurred to you that in a Churched nation, a con-man or con-woman would have to adopt a "Christian" persona to succeed at their con? Such a persona would be less effective (to that end) in a community that is primarily Buddhist or Muslim, for example.

Missionaries are not the cause of criminal activity. Correlation does not equal causation.
~~~​
A woman's husband had been slipping in and out of a coma for several months, yet she had stayed by his bedside every single day.
One day, when he came to, he motioned for her to come nearer.
As she sat by him, he whispered, eyes full of tears,
"You know what? You have been with me all through the bad times.
When I got fired, you were there to support me.​
When my business failed, you were there.​
When I got shot, you were by my side.​
When we lost the house, you stayed right here.​
When my health started failing, you were still by my side.​
You know what?"
"What dear?" she asked gently, smiling as her heart began to fill with warmth.
”I think you're bad luck."

The Pharisees didn't know they were deceived and doing the devil's work. The Bible prophesied it isn't going to stop and will get worse and the movement that Jesus started (Christianity) will not be spared.

Deceived people don't know they're working for the devil and always believe they're doing things for the Lord. Jesus prophesied it as well and the worst to come and it's been happening for a long time. "The road to hell is paved with good intentions"

Correlation does not equal causation.

When a religion contradicts the teachings of Jesus, a nation will be in worse shape the more religious it becomes.


Nations will be judged according to how they treated the poor and the weak, not by their adopted religion (Matthew 25:31-46).

Many Christian denominations only look outwardly charitable or generous to the poor and yet, also supporting the kingdom of the devil and contradicting the teachings of Jesus that's why their host nations are very corrupt, have very wealthy residents despite having major issues with national poverty.

Ironically, the least religious nations have almost eliminated poverty within their borders with exception of poverty within immigrant communities who often come from one of highly religious nations (either Muslim or Christian).
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White men...u ok?

That was a sublimely elegant speech, however it didn't really answer the question. When one reads Paul, one finds out that Paul could be quite blunt and gruff at times. Sometimes bluntness is needed more so than soothing strokes from a velvet glove.
So could Jesus. "Woe to you, hypocrites", he said to Pharisees and others. And going into the temple with the whip probably didn't sit well with some people there. There are those today who might be turned off by that approach if He was here now doing that.
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Erika Kirk Delivers Powerful National Address, Says Movement Will Not Die

But my side of the aisle doesn't care if the pilot is purple so long as he's the most qualified person to be flying the plane.
Exactly. And no-one is going to qualify if they're not up to the job. Whether they are white, black, Asian...it doesn't matter. If you see someone in a uniform with stripes on their arm then they are qualified. Giving minorities equal opportunity to try to get to that position doesn't change that fact. In fact it improves the situation by having a larger pool from which to select the creme de la creme.
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Gibbons Decline & Fall & Christianity

First, authentic Christianity would reject all inroads of political powers of this earth, taking control of the church and or enforcing it upon all citizens. As neither our Lord Jesus Christ or any of His apostles provided any such examples, but to the contrary, clearly stated and taught that the kingdom of God and the kingdoms of this world are two distinctly and separate institutions. Which are meant to remain so. The acceptance of government interference and or control of Christ's church is in fact of itself apostasy. So, no real need to supply the evidence you have requested.

Second, when Christianity itself becomes so immoral as to require government intervention due to mob violence between differing "Christian" sects in order to keep the peace, then the professed "Christians" involved in such are already obviously apostate.

These two factors played an important part of the development of apostate amalgamated church and state. Which the quotes I have provided from Gibbons, establish as authentic history . . .
No, that is NOT "authentic history." I have asked you for specific citations from historical documents of the time. Didn't the supposed "historians" you revere provide any? Without such historical documents from the time it is just supposition and fabrication.
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Jimmy Kimmel’s late night show pulled off air ‘indefinitely’ after Charlie Kirk comments

I think it's starting to get real.

Jimmy Kimmel’s late night show has been pulled off the air “indefinitely” after the host made controversial comments about the assassination of conservative activist Charlie Kirk.

ABC confirmed the move to multiple outlets Wednesday after Kimmel said earlier in the week that the “MAGA gang” was trying to “score political points” from the fatal shooting of Kirk, per Deadline.

False Mysticism

The definition of mysticism that the bible is against is when you prioritize subjective, personal spiritual experiences and private revelations as a source of truth equal to or greater than the Bible.
Lets go with thst definition. I think the article refers to what happens when this sense of subjective personal experience opposes science. Flat Earth a good example. We just need the government to change, edit and delete science education and research.
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The Conjuring universe and Ed & Lorraine Warren

I have read the books about some of their higher-profile cases---The Amityville Horror; and The Haunting (dealing with the Smurl family case in Pennsylvania), and the cases of the Perron family in Rhode Island (made into the movie The Conjuring), the Snedeker house (made into the movie A Haunting in Connecticut), the Hodgson case in Enfield, London (made into the movie The Conjuring 2).

I didn't find anything in them to fit in with the attacks their critics have plastered them with; I think a lot of it is simply attacking anything of this sort by people who stubbornly refuse to accept that there's anything supernatural in the world, similar to the people who debunk UFO accounts or people who slam Creationists or Catastrophists because their views disagree with evolution and uniformitarianism.

There is a documentary out there called My Amityville Horror, released in 2012; Danny Lutz, the oldest son in the case, recounts his personal experiences in the house, and their aftermath; Lorraine Warren is also in the film. They both make a very, very convincing case for their truthfulness and sincerity, in my humble opinion. It's worth a watch, but be warned: Danny uses some pretty gritty language throughout the film. Nothing you wouldn't hear on a military base, but it's there, so just be aware if you decide to watch it. :)
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Billionaire Bishop Edir Macedo sells luxury condo in Porsche Design Tower for $13M

I meant the denomination as a whole. There’s Assemblies of God, Church of God in Christ, Church of God, Apostolic etc among many others. I don’t know if they form an inter communion or not.

I don't know about other places, but in here different 'pentecostal organizations' share some events, and people move from church to other church.
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47: Russia, Russia, Russia

Trump sent a letter to Polish President Navrocki; details have not been disclosed at this point.


In another development, President Navrocki backs Trump’s efforts to cut off Russian oil.


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