BelieveItOarKnot said:

That's pretty funny.
How many scriptural citings would you like for loving our neighbors as ourselves? I can count at least 10 citings in the N.T. alone, all stemming from the O.T. where there are several more

Even funnier it never made the cut of requirements of any creed

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Hebrews 10:4 For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and goats could take away sins. NKJV

Above is our OT removal of sins. If we depend on the OT rules for salvation the blood of bulls and goats, is our purification, The only reason God accepted their blood is because those offering them believed God would send someone to save them from their sins. They looked forward to the coming of the Messiah.

Hebrews 5:7 who, in the days of His flesh, when He had offered up prayers and supplications, with vehement cries and tears to Him who was able to save Him from death, and was heard because of His godly fear, 8 though He was a Son, yet He learned obedience by the things which He suffered. 9 And having been perfected, He became the author of eternal salvation to all who obey Him, 10 called by God as High Priest "according to the order of Melchizedek," 11 of whom we have much to say, and hard to explain, since you have become dull of hearing. NKJV

Jesus became the author of eternal salvation to those who obey Him. The author, creator or writer, of eternal salvation.

Hebrews 9:16 For where there is a testament, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator. 17 For a testament is in force after men are dead, since it has no power at all while the testator lives. NKJV

Jesus wrote His testament, the New Testament, with His blood when He was crucified. Be sure to note that it is a New Testament, the New Testament, that God promised in the OT. It went into effect when Jesus died.

Hebrews 8:13 In that He says, "A new covenant," He has made the first obsolete. Now what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away. NKJV

The OT is obsolete. The true Israelis are now under the NT as well as anyone who believes in Jesus. An obsolete covenant will not provide salvation. In the NT we do not look forward from the OT.


Romans 10:4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes. NKJV

Obsolete covenant laws cannot make anyone righteous who believe in Jesus. Anyone who claims righteousness from the law, does not believe in Jesus. By the NT rules they will not be saved by trusting the OT laws.

John 15:5 "I am the vine, you are the branches. He who abides in Me, and I in him, bears much fruit; for without Me you can do nothing. 6 If anyone does not abide in Me, he is cast out as a branch and is withered; and they gather them and throw them into the fire, and they are burned. 7 If you abide in Me, and My words abide in you, you will ask what you desire, and it shall be done for you. 8 By this My Father is glorified, that you bear much fruit; so you will be My disciples. NKJV


Jesus being the author of the New Testament wrote the commandments we are to obey. The first and greatest commandment is that we believe in Him and we must abide, remain in Him, to be fruitful. If we do not stay in Him, we will not be fruitful and will be cast out, by the Father, and burnt.

John 13:34 A new commandment I give to you, that you love one another; as I have loved you, that you also love one another. 35 By this all will know that you are My disciples, if you have love for one another." NKJV


Jesus also gave us another new commandment. We are to love other disciples as Jesus loved us.

Now as children of God we are expected, to the best we can, to be like Jesus. If we do that we will continue to live physically. The Father wants us to further Jesus' kingdom, to do that we should resemble Jesus.

BelieveItOarKnot said:

I asked if you believe our "unsaved neighbors" are going to burn alive forever or be permanently annhilated.

I don't believe either happens to our neighbors, so you have my answer. Where's yours?

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Revelation 20:11 Then I saw a great white throne and Him who sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away. And there was found no place for them. 12 And I saw the dead, small and great, standing before God, and books were opened. And another book was opened, which is the Book of Life. And the dead were judged according to their works, by the things which were written in the books. 13 The sea gave up the dead who were in it, and Death and Hades delivered up the dead who were in them. And they were judged, each one according to his works. 14 Then Death and Hades were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. 15 And anyone not found written in the Book of Life was cast into the lake of fire. NKJV

From the white throne some will go to live on the new earth and some go the lake of fire. Do they burn for an eternity? As Jesus stated in Matthew 25: 41 the lake of fire was made for the spiritual being who rebelled. What happens to flesh and blood in the lake of fire I do not know. I do know that flesh and blood cannot live there.

Isaiah 66:22 "For as the new heavens and the new earth Which I will make shall remain before Me," says the Lord, "So shall your descendants and your name remain. 23 And it shall come to pass That from one New Moon to another, And from one Sabbath to another, All flesh shall come to worship before Me," says the Lord. 24 "And they shall go forth and look Upon the corpses of the men Who have transgressed against Me. For their worm does not die, And their fire is not quenched. They shall be an abhorrence to all flesh." NKJV

Verse 22 states this is the new earth and new heavens after the white throne judgment. Verse 24 does say corpses, or dead bodies, of the men who have transgressed against God. So, Hades will torment them, and the lake of fire may kill them and leave their bodies intact.

I say some may burn eternally and some will be dead.

So, I say all one needs do to avoid going to Hades and the white throne judgment is to “keep believing in Jesus and to love Jesus' disciples as Jesus loved them.”

Dan1988 said:

Thanks for raising this important question. Many Christian Denominations teach that you can't be sure that you are saved, until judgement day.

But Gods Word reveals that believers can be sure of their salvation, in advance. If we believe what Gods Word reveals about the matter, then we can be 100% sure of our salvation.

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Romans 8:12 Therefore, brethren, we are debtors — not to the flesh, to live according to the flesh. 13 For if you live according to the flesh you will die; but if by the Spirit you put to death the deeds of the body, you will live. 14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, these are sons of God. 15 For you did not receive the spirit of bondage again to fear, but you received the Spirit of adoption by whom we cry out, "Abba, Father." NKJV

We can be sure we are saved when we are sons of God. Those who put to death are sons of God. To do that we must accept discipline.

Hebrews 12:7 If you endure chastening, God deals with you as with sons; for what son is there whom a father does not chasten? 8 But if you are without chastening, of which all have become partakers, then you are illegitimate and not sons. NKJV

If we do not put to death the sins of the flesh, we have not accepted discipline.

Dan1988 said:

Romans 10:9-10 If you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved.

As we can see in the verses above, salvation is not a complicated set of requirements to fulfill in order to earn salvation, (as most Christian Denominations falsely teach).

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God does not lie. The Israelis were His children prior to Jesus' coming. If you drop down a couple of verses to;

Romans 11:18 do not boast against the branches. But if you do boast, remember that you do not support the root, but the root supports you. 19 You will say then, "Branches were broken off that I might be grafted in." 20 Well said. Because of unbelief they were broken off, and you stand by faith. Do not be haughty, but fear. 21 For if God did not spare the natural branches, He may not spare you either. NKJV


They were cut off because of their unbelief. If we do not continue to believe in Him. We also will be cut off.

Dan1988 said:

God is not the Author of confusion, so salvation is extremely simple and anyone who simply confesses the Lord Jesus with their mouth and believes in their heart that God has raised Him from the dead, will be saved.

I love the simplicity and the verses and the promise of salvation. Notice there are no good works or keeping the law, required for salvation.
I believe the above, so I'm 100% sure that I am saved, the only way I could lose my salvation is if God lied and we know that's impossible.

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Yes, we can be 100% sure of our salvation if we are putting to death sins of the flesh.

John 10:4 And when he brings out his own sheep, he goes before them; and the sheep follow him, for they know his voice. 5 Yet they will by no means follow a stranger, but will flee from him, for they do not know the voice of strangers." NKJV

We are His sheep. His sheep are the only ones who follow His voice to be disciplined. If we are without discipline, we are illegitimate and not sons. Illegitimate children have no inheritance in His kingdom.

Aryeh Jay said:

The only real truth comes from God.

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Yup

JohnB445 said:

I am learning more about the Bible.

What happens in the future? Where there be an eternity of people being on Earth then dying later to be judged or will there come a point where there is no longer a need to judge and either people are in heaven or hell. And there are no more people left for God to judge?

If that is the case, what happens next? Is it possible for another rebellion to occur and people get kicked out of heaven? Remember the angels rebelled from the very beginning.

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Judgement takes place in heaven ... the records of all peoples lives are stored there .... when Jesus returns all judgement for all time has taken place and the 1st resurrection (of the saved) occurs ... those are taken to heaven for 1,000 years and afterwards the 2nd resurrection (of the lost) takes place (of the condemned)

Hell is the grave .... there is no "burning place" for eternity. The masses are dormant in the grave until resurrected.

What caused the rebellion in the first place? .... believing lies ... in heaven we will know the complete truth and also there will be no temptation because satan is destroyed.

James 1:14-15 describes how temptation arises from within an individual, not from God. It states that each person is tempted when they are "dragged away by their own evil desire" and lured in by their own cravings. Once this desire has conceived, it gives birth to sin, and the result of sin is death.

• Origin of temptation: Temptation does not come from God but from our own sinful desires.
• The process: These desires "drag you away" and "entice you".
• The outcome: When these desires are fulfilled, they lead to sin, and the consequence of sin is spiritual death.

Satan, described as "prowling around like a roaring lion seeking someone to devour" (1 Peter 5:8), is a key instigator of temptation. He tempts us by twisting God's gifts and using our free will to try and lead us astray.

There won't be any temptation in heaven (satan destroyed) and we will know the complete truth and therefore sin will never rise again.

Delvianna said:

"Some that illegally crossed the border into the United States, some that came in through visa waiver and were prohibited from working, some that had visas and overstayed their visas." link

Out of the 330 people detained, 316 South Koreans have been deported, the rest were Chinese, Japanese and Indonesian. link

Sounds like illegals and people who broke the law to me. If you break your visa agreement, the US has the right to deport you.

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The people suing were there on proper visas.
And part of the problem with the other visas is a fewfold. The Trump admin was insisting that the work on the factory be finished by the end of the year, so workers were needed on a quick schedule to accomplish that. Problem with that was, the time it takes for the states to process visa applications is long for the type they'd need and previously, for these sort of cases, the US government had allowed other types of visas be used, even if they didn't allow work by letter, because it was deemed necessary to get the people in. So there's been an understanding between companies and the state that this is ok in these cases.

biblelesson said:

What about what the gospel says (the gospel of Christ, 2 Corinthians 4:4 KJV), that is the power of God unto salvation? Romans 1:16 KJV

What about those who say they believe, but are without the Spirit of Christ? Romans 8:9 KJV

What about those who say they believe, but Jesus told them He never knew them? Matthew 7:23 KJV

It’s the same as preachers telling their congregation that all we need is a little faith like the mustered seed when the mustered didn’t have little faith, it had great faith.

Faith as a mustered seed is not speaking about the size of the mustered seed? It’s speaking about the capacity of the mustered seed’s faith. A tiny seed being planted in the ground had the capacity to flourish into a great magnificent tree. Great faith!

To prove we must have great faith!
1) When walking on water, Jesus said to Peter, oh ye of little faith! If little faith was ok to have, why did Jesus addressed Peter’s little faith as the reason he fell in the water.
2) when the disciples could not cast out an evil spirit, Jesus was annoyed with them and said they could not do it because of their little faith. If little faith was enough, why could they not accomplish casting out the evil spirit.

The capacity for great faith does not exist in us! This type of faith is bestowed on us by God’s Spirit through Christ Jesus, as we digest the gospel of Christ - eat His words - Jesus told the disciples my words are Spirit…

My main issue is sometimes we say things about salvation that does not address the true requirements for salvation. It is not enough to say we believe in Jesus; there is much, much more that secures our salvation, and it is following the exact truth of the gospel of Christ, the power of the gospel, that is the power of God unto salvation. Leaving out the requirements of the gospel, we cannot obtain salvation.

We must look to experience. That is the only way we know we have been given the Holy Spirit - the Spirit bears witness with our spirit that we are children of God, Romans 8:16 KJV - this is an actual experience

We sit in heavenly places in Christ Jesus - this is an actual experience through the power of the Spirit Who raises our consciousness to where we are placed in another dimension- from putting off the flesh, the old man, to walking in the new man in Christ Jesus.

It’s not enough to say we believe, we must be conformed into the image of Christ - the power of the gospel manifests these realities in our life, by God’s Spirit.

The same Spirit that raised Christ from the dead must be in us in order for us to be raised at Christ’s return. Through the Spirit we must please the Husbandman Who desires the first fruits - That is, we must produce fruit - the Fruit of the Spirit, bestowed upon us by the Spirit through many trials - the furnace of affliction.

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Well what about you not adding into accounts in The Bible parts that are not actually there. As an example, take you saying the people in Matthew 7:23 had believed in Jesus for eternal life. When there is not a singe sentence saying these people had believed in Jesus for eternal life. The only thing the verses say is they did thing in the name of Jesus and that is not the same as believing in The Name of Jesus for eternal life.

“Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’ And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’



An example of a contemporary day Matthew 7, would be people who say they went to church in the name of Jesus, or were baptized in the name of Jesus, or repented of their sins in the name of Jesus, etc.... But never actually did believe in the person Jesus, for Eternal Life.

BelieveItOarKnot said:

God Himself bound everyone to disobedience, Romans 11:32

Adam and Eve were no exceptions

Jesus even shiws us HOW it happens in Mark 4:15

Uh yeah, only if you completely eliminate the tempter within them from the equations. Which of course is illegitimate sight. All have sin. Sin is of the DEVIL

You just forgot

God clearly said the serpent did it. Did you miss that detail?

There was no choice involved.

God always meant for there to be a first natural person and THEN a second person made a spirit. 1 Cor. 15:42-56

First the natural, and after, the spiritual

That's His Program. No choice of our required

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Thanks for sharing but I do not hold to all the teachings from Augustine or Calvin.

Benaiah468 said:

The future kingdom of Jesus on earth will not be a political kingdom in the conventional human sense, but a reign of G-d that unites political, social and spiritual dimensions.

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Agreed. The two are counter-cultures

Arcangl86 said:

Simple yes or no question. Regardless of potential consequences, did they have the power to modify the requirements for cloture and approve this bill with no cooperation from the Democrats?

You right here are admitting they had the ability to address this.

The amendments made to the CR were made in the Senate. That means that the House will then need to pass it again.

If they had amended the bill, it would have been sent back to the House. The House that wasn't in session because Johnson had sent them home after passing the bill precisely to pressure the Democrats to approve the bill.

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They're not going to approve a bill that has potential consequences. It would be incompetent to do so.

The amendment made in the Senate was not what Schumer's counter proposal was seeking. Read page 57 of the counter
proposal, which would've continued to fund everyone legal and illegal. The bill modification in the Senate only extended
the current healthcare bill. The House then approved it and sent it back to the Senate and then to Trump.

Schumer wanted to go back to spending $1.5 trillion which included illegal immigrants and as it was done
before Trump took office. Schumer faced criticism from the democrats when he voted for the resolution
back in March. This time he tried to appease them.

Even Senator John Fetterman (D) sided with the republicans and criticized the democrats for shutting down the government.
The democrats who negotiated with the republicans to reopen the government, blamed Schumer and the DNC for the
shutdown.

The healthcare solution is only kicking the can down the road. Insurance companies will merely raise their premiums
based on how much the government is willing to give them. The president and congress, democrats and republicans,
are going to have to get us away from the "for profit," healthcare system we currently have. A single-player universal
healthcare package will have to be put together, which will be run by a private company with government oversite.
Guess who opposed Hillarycare and put out propaganda against it? The health insurance companies.

linux.poet said:

I am simply wondering what the answer to the poll question is. No hard feelings to Sabbath worshippers intended, I am simply curious.

If you do keep the Sabbath, how do you observe it? How you do believe Christians should observe it?

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Voted no,...

2Co 5:16 Wherefore, we henceforth know no one according to the flesh; even if we have known Christ according to the flesh, yet now no longer do we know Him thus.

Christ-likeness is a Spiritual walk of a leading by The Holy Spirit, not of our flesh/culture.

essentialsaltes said:

“We the people have put our trust in the President of the United States, Donald J. Trump. He, and only he, can stop this horror

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Sigh. From the article, "Notably, the office of the president does not have legal authority to directly remove a New York City mayor from office."

Used to be, people would only embarrass themselves in front of their families by making speeches at Thanksgiving dinner. Now they get to embarrass themselves in front of the whole world on the Internet.

""A report in The Lancet estimates that deep funding cuts to USAID could lead to more than 14 million additional deaths by 2030, with one-third being children, if the funding isn't restored. The cuts have already caused the immediate shutdown of essential programs, leading to a higher risk of diseases like cholera and a rise in under-five mortality rates in affected areas. As a result, some models already estimate that the dismantling of USAID has already caused 600,000 deaths, with two-thirds being children."

USAID cost the average US taxpayer $0.18 per day - Trump, with the support of Elon Musk and American Evangelicals, shut it down which has already resulted in the loss of an estimated 600,000 lives, 2/3 of them children!

How ironic that Donald Trump, a billionaire and Elon Musk, the wealthiest man in the world, were both instrumental in terminating USAID - which is credited with saving over 90 million lives of the world's most desperately poor, in the last 2 decades alone!

Trump and his MAGA supporters are now hoping that the NOBEL PEACE PRIZE COMMITTEE will be more impressed by his White House $300 million golden ballroom than the 14 million additional deaths by 2030 that USAID could have saved!

Trump is currently suing the Department of Justice for $230 million for what he considers politically motivated investigations - despite claims that the White House ballroom will be privately financed, what are the odds that it will be directly or indirectly "bankrolled" by the American taxpayer?

Whether Trump receives the Nobel Peace Prize or not, history will hold him and his supporters responsible for the millions of lives that USAID could have saved!

The White House golden ballroom, primarily built to impress the rich and powerful, will stand as a constant reminder that in "Trumpworld," extravagance took priority over lives - his campaign to receive the Nobel Peace Prize is intended to feed his insatiable personal ego, because in reality he has shown little concern for the lives and welfare of others!

FOOTNOTE: The Department of Justice is under no obligation to inform the American public as to whether President Trump's own loyal political appointees at DOJ followed his instructions and provided him with the $230 million!

Best and brightest.

DavidS said:

Jesus said that if as few as "two or three" Christians are gathered together in His name, He is present.
In one sense, He is always present as He indwells, through the Holy Spirit, in every true Christian, but when as few as two Christians come together, He is present in an even greater sense in that a group of Christians gathered in His Name is a manifestation of His corporate body. He is, in a sense, physically present through His corporate body. Furthermore, because all Christians are united in the Holy Spirit, when even two Christians come together in prayer and worship, there is a sense in which the entire church of Christians (both alive and in the Father's nearer presence) are also present through the unity of the Holy Spirit. And Jesus is the Head!
As an aside, I suggest that "church" be taken as a collective noun - a swarm of bees, a murder of ravens and a church of Christians! A "church of Christians" is a gathering of born-again believers to worship God through Jesus. Thinking in this way helps us avoid the tendency to think of "The Church" as either an organisation or a building.

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It provides a way for encouragement for like minded people. Strength in numbers (so to speak)

essentialsaltes said:

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2025-11-14/ponzi-schemer-who-got-trump-clemency-faces-50-years-in-new-fraud

MSN

Trump commuted Eliyahu Weinstein's 24 year sentence in the Pardonpalooza at the end of Trump 1.0. After his release, he stole another $44 million from his suckers and has now received a brand new 37 year sentence.

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As the kids say, "Game recognizes game",

essentialsaltes said:

OK, they were in no danger. Is that relevant? Have you been to a federal courthouse?

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I've personally filed a lawsuit against a number of federal intelligence agencies, so I've spend some time in a federal courthouse. I've even been in a judge's chambers with a judge and numerous government attorneys. It seemed pretty secure, but someone with intent who doesn't care about sacrificing himself could be a real danger. People go in and out of locked doors, but a criminal could slip in. We saw weaknesses in security in regard to protecting President Trump.

Maranatha Music.

On the Over-Seriousness of Today

The current age, with its technologies, its wars, its uncertainties and anxieties, is a gloomy and worried age. Rates of depression and anxiety have skyrocketed among younger generations and there is an ever-present burden upon everyone’s shoulders. The constant terrible photos and videos of the news cycle weigh upon our minds and hearts, as we are forced to hear about everything happening everywhere, all the time. Our phones and laptops keep us connected, even when we might desire to be left alone. This is, certainly, a very serious age: we take everything seriously. Our jobs, our families, our economy and political affiliations, and, most dangerously, our religion. It has become a Serious Matter to attend Church on Sundays, to receive the sacraments, to profess the Creed. Of course, the Faith should be celebrated and embraced with dignity, but one of the key words is that it should be “celebrated.” Our faith is not meant to only be a dour and depressing hour of our week, in which we all silently sit and wait for it to be over, our minds and hearts occupied with the myriad horrible things occurring around us.

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Please pray and ask God if He could please heal my son Jakeb mind and body and that there is nothing seriously wrong and he isn't underweight. Please ask if it is God's will that I can hear him laugh and talk to friends tonight. Thank you. I ask in Jesus name. God bless you. Carmen.

When you're worried about your aches and pains, these comforting Bible verses remind you that God is near and cares deeply for you.

We all know how physical ailments – even routine colds or flu – can make us feel vulnerable and anxious. Not knowing what the doctor will say, waiting for test results, or coping with persistent aches can stir up real fear. In those moments, God’s Word can be like a gentle companion, reminding us that we are not alone.

Thankfully the Bible offers many verses about God’s care, strength, healing and presence. Here are five comforting passages and why each one can bring peace to a worried heart.

1- Isaiah 41:10 -- GOD’S PRESENCE IN OUR FEAR​

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with the onset and the global reach of the internet the gospel going out has never been more available than it is right now ... pretty amazing. Everything is escalating.

Yttrium said:

Then let's put social pressure on our leaders to change their corrupt practices.

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We keep trying to do this .... however the corruption is wide and deep. Government is way way too big ... the bigger something gets the more difficult it is to manage and/or have proper oversight. The only way corrupt practices will be curtailed is if the people involved in them are actually prosecuted for their dastardly deeds and so far that hasn't come into fruition.

Judge orders ICE to allow immigrant detainees in downtown LA to see lawyers​

U.S. District Judge Maame E. Frimpong issued the permanent injunction Thursday requiring that detainees confined in the basement facility known as B-18 in the federal building be given access to lawyers as required by the Fifth Amendment right to counsel.

At a hearing last month, Frimpong heard that immigrants were detained for extended periods at B-18 in conditions that prevented private communication with attorneys. Lawyers reported that clients were denied access to phone lines, turned away from in-person meetings, and pressured to sign legal documents before speaking with a lawyer.

In her written ruling this week, the judge converted an existing temporary restraining order into a preliminary injunction to ensure continued compliance while litigation proceeds.

B-18 was designed to hold people only temporarily for processing before release or transport to a longer-term detention facility, evidence shows. It has no beds, showers or medical facilities, and is limited in size.

But, plaintiffs argue, ICE transformed B-18 into a de facto long-term detention facility for detainees swept up in immigration raids and mass arrests over the summer, and individuals held there have had their contact with the outside world purposely obstructed.

Mystical unity of persons​

Bryan Melvin is a Protestant NDE experiencer whose testimony went viral after his claim to see Hitler in Hell. Martin’s testimony was that Hitler’s punishment was to experience the anxiety, suffering, pain and death he caused in others, from the moment his policies first affected them till their death in the camps. Hitler had to live each of the lives of each of his victims, experiencing each life as his own.

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ROME – When he addressed an international congress on the pastoral care of the elderly yesterday, Pope Leo laid out the demographic premises for an honest assessment of Catholic life these days, but he didn’t quite draw out the logical pastoral consequences – in part, perhaps, because there’s only so much you can do in a brief 900-word address.

Leo clearly acknowledged that rapid aging of societies is one of the key hallmarks of our time: “The growing number of elderly people is an unprecedented historical phenomenon that calls us to discern and understand the reality in new ways,” he said.



Basic demographic data backs up that observation.

In the United States, the median age was 30 in 1950, but it will reach 41 by 2050. In Europe it will be 47.1, and in Japan a staggering 52.3. Fully a third of all Japanese will be over 60 within a decade, creating a potentially serious shortage of elder care facilities and personnel. One leading Japanese politician actually has proposed exporting retirees to the Philippines in order to relieve the pressure.

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