Benaiah468 said:

The Christian belief that Jews are not saved stems from religious conflicts during the emergence of Christianity and its subsequent separation from Judaism. It is based on the view that Jesus is the Messiah and Son of G-d, which is not recognised as such by Jews, and has led to a long history of discrimination and the idea that Jews are damned because of their rejection of Christian doctrine.

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Paul agonized in Romans 9-11 that he'd almost go to hell if his own people the Jews didn't and penned zingers like this:

Philippians 3:5-9
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5 Circumcised the eighth day, of the stock of Israel, of the tribe of Benjamin, an Hebrew of the Hebrews; as touching the law, a Pharisee;
6 Concerning zeal, persecuting the church; touching the righteousness which is in the law, blameless.
7 But what things were gain to me, those I counted loss for Christ.
8 Yea doubtless, and I count all things but loss for the excellency of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord: for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and do count them but dung, that I may win Christ,
9 And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith:

Romans 3:19-20​

19 Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God.

20 Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.

Galatians 2:15-16​

15 We who are Jews by nature, and not sinners of the Gentiles,
16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.


Do you think that someone who follows rabbinical Judaism can be justified by God apart from Christ?

Ride horses on dangerous escarpments.

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Understand what?

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....I mean either someone or all of them are lying to the judge. Under any other presidency or congress these folks would have been hauled into congress to answer questions of incompetancy and/or fired. But this is the Trump admin where incompetance takes a back seat to loyalty.

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I think you mean incompetence drives the bus. (Because, generally, competence has a lot to lose signing on to this corrupt clown show.)

contratodo said:

And he will open his mouth in blaspheme against God, to blaspheme God's name, and His tabernacle (God's tabernacle is outside of the sky) and them that dwell in heaven (outside of the sky)
Revelation 13:6. Is telling us that the beast will speak blaspheme about what is outside of the sky.

He cast down some of the host of the stars and trampled on them....
He cast down the truth to the ground.
Daniel 8:10,12

Prophetically we therefore see truth related to the stars being cast down.

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You appear to be reading apocalyptic symbols that are laid in with theological importance as geographies. In other words, as having a postcode. You cannot possibly read this book until you can speak the language. Just as one must learn ancient Greek in inner theological school, to understand revelation one has to understand how the ancient world used these apocalyptic symbols, which requires reading some of the other apocalyptic symbolism of the time. Or you could just wrote Dr Paul Barnett.

SabbathBlessings said:

Something to consider about Jesus

Col 1:16 For by Him all things were created that are in heaven and that are on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers. All things were created through Him and for Him. 17 And He is before all things, and in Him all things consist.

Jesus is God. Jesus is the One who created heaven and earth- Exo20:11. Jesus is the One speaking at Mt Sinai. Jesus is the One who told us how to keep the Sabbath.

Jesus never became the Sabbath, or became Lord of the Sabbath He IS Lord of the Sabbath, and has always been -He has given it as a blessing for all mankind starting at Creation Mark2:27 Exo20:8-11. Resting with God on His Sabbath and Holy Day.

In my opinion, I do not think we should speak for God on something He took ownership of, that is His and He created and tells us why. He also tells us He does not change.

This is what the Lord said about the Sabbath

Isa 56:2 Blessed is the man who does this,
And the son of man who lays hold on it;
Who keeps from defiling the Sabbath,
And keeps his hand from doing any evil.”

The Sabbath is something man does, not just something God does, so we therefore can disregard His clear instruction of how we are to keep the Sabbath. Jesus said Mark 3:4 Then He said to them, “Is it lawful on the Sabbath to do good or to do evil, to save life or to kill?” But they kept silent

Jesus never got rid of His law, He said so plainly in Isa 42:21 Mat5:17-30 and we can still do evil on the Sabbath by defiling it.

He told us clearly what man should be doing on the Sabbath. This is written by God Himself- I know of know one greater than He- why Jesus said plainly not a jot or tittle can pass from His law because He is owner of it, not us.

Exo 20:8 “Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9 Six days you shall labor and do all your work, 10 but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God. In it you shall do no work: you, nor your son, nor your daughter, nor your male servant, nor your female servant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger who is within your gates.

Isa 58:13 “If you turn away your foot from the Sabbath,
From doing your pleasure on My holy day,
And call the Sabbath a delight,
The holy day of the Lord honorable,
And shall honor Him, not doing your own ways,
Nor finding your own pleasure,
Nor speaking your own words,


Jesus said this:

Mat 11:28 Come to Me, all you who labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. 29 Take My yoke upon you and learn from Me, for I am [a]gentle and lowly in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. 30 For My yoke is easy and My burden is light.”

Which this is what He was referring to, rest from our sins,

Psa 38:3 There is no soundness in my flesh because of thine anger; neither is there any rest in my bones because of my sin.4 For mine iniquities are gone over mine head: as an heavy burden they are too heavy for me.

Jesus who is Lord of the Sabbath said come to Me and I will give you rest and still kept the Sabbath going to church reading the Word of God Luke4:16 as did His disciples Jew, Gentiles and almost the whole cities, just as He predicted Isa56:6-7 Acts 13:42, 44, Acts18:4

The rest we enter into Christ no one is in rebellion to Him or His commandments (Rom8:7-8) including the 4th commandment. What Hebrews is warning about why those who in their trial of the wilderness did not enter His rest, because they liked their sins more than their love for Jesus to come to Him, do His will and turn (repent) forsaking their sins Pro28:13

Heb4:6 Since therefore it remains that some must enter it, and those to whom it was first preached did not enter (why did they not enter?) because of disobedience,

What were they disobedient of in the trial of the wilderness?

Eze20: 13 Yet the house of Israel rebelled against Me in the wilderness; they did not walk in My statutes; they despised My judgments, ‘which, if a man does, he shall live by them’; and they greatly defiled My Sabbaths. Then I said I would pour out My fury on them in the wilderness, to consume them. 14 But I acted for My name’s sake, that it should not be profaned before the Gentiles, in whose sight I had brought them out. 15 So I also raised My hand in an oath to them in the wilderness, that I would not bring them into the land which I had given them, ‘flowing with milk and honey,’ the glory of all lands,16 because they despised My judgments and did not walk in My statutes, but profaned My Sabbaths; for their heart went after their idols.

The Sabbath is connected to the very first commandment (and is the Power behind all of them) - to thou shalt not have other gods before Me, the Sabbath commandment tells us which God that is, the God of all heaven and earth and everything in it. Exo20:11 Why the Ten Commandments are all interconnected breaking one we break them all- James2:11

Heb4:11 Let us therefore be diligent to enter that rest, lest anyone fall according to the same example of disobedience.

I believe God means what He says about keeping the Sabbath day holy. He never treated this commandment any different than the other commandments, they are all written by God, all under His mercy seat, not a jot or tittle can pass, we cannot edit God's own Testimony written by God Himself Exo31:18 God warned us His times and laws would be changed, which is the Sabbath and we see a clear history of this change being made and those who claimed to change the Sabbath centuries ago, said they did so based on their own sense of power over the word of God. The end time battle comes over our worship which is who we obey. Rom6:16 Mat15:3-14 Mark7:7-13 Rev14:11-12


Jesus never gave Himself a commandment, the commandments are for us to keep, the Sabbath is something man does. Those who enter His rest Also ceased from their works as God did, on the seventh day. Heb4:10 Heb4:4 Exo20:11

If we stick with the Bible and what God says, He will lead us on the narrow path back to Him. Jesus said many would come to deceive us before He returns. If we live by every word that proceeds out of the mouth of God Mat4:4 and abide in Him, He will safeguard us. Pro3:5-6 Pro30:5-6

One of the last verses in the Bible before the Second Coming of Jesus Christ

Rev 22:14 Blessed are those who do His commandments, that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter through the gates into the city

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The same c&p with the same verses that have been refuted over and over. Jesus is indeed God. Jesus did indeed create everything. Jesus is the alpha and the omega, the beginning and the end. Jesus is perfectly capable and powerful to complete one covenant and give us another. He is perfectly capable and powerful to fulfill the law including the 10 commandments. He is perfectly capable and powerful to fulfill the 4th commandment on Himself ( not the Strawman of becoming the sabbath that you stated in your post) and declare Himself Lord of the Sabbath. Our rest now is in Jesus not in one day.

Do you like animals? Do you also like dance crazes? Have I got some songs for you.

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It is round but it is like a dish shaped disc, it is not spherical.

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The elephant in the room is what is casting the shadow on the moon. Oh, and that the premise of the video is that light is being reflected off the moon (how else can you cast a shadow on the moon) so it rejects one of flat earthers claims that that the moon is its own light source. Another own goal from flat earthers.
He also claims earth shine isn't a thing when it absolutely is. You only need to take a long exposure photo of a half moon to see the dark half is lit up by dim light reflected off the earth. It's one false claim after another which seems par for the course for flat earthers. You gotta lie to flerf.

I have a lot of misaligned joints and crack them all the time. However, I know how to do it with the right amount of force and angle to get a ”damp” crack that stimulates synovial fluid production.

Seeing the commercials chiropractors make themselves is just painful. They seem to be giving way more force and angle than what the patients need. You can hear their joints weren’t ready for that manoeuvre.

RestoreTheJoy said:

A "thousand criminals" did not attack anyone. There were a small bunch who did, all arrested for violent acts.

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The mob was shouting their intent to kill Mike Pence. "Pence got out before they murdered him" isn't a great counterargument.

concretecamper said:

So i see you did and didn't like the answer.

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Have a great night.

You assume too much and seem to be thoroughly convinced of what you believe, so. Good night.

bob121 said:

one-sentence moment when the bread and wine stopped feeling ordinary and you thought,

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While I was a Catholic, I had the moment >

"I'm not sure the Eucharist is really the body of Jesus; and if it isn't, I can't take it."

The archtypical Pharisee is everywhere around us. It’s interesting that Christ did spend a good part of his ministry exposing these people, explaining their doom. And just like Abraham said, if they do not believe the words of Moses, neither will they believe if one rises from the dead.

They’re good at trying one’s patience and faith. Is that the only reason why they’re here?

I don't know who does the live stream videos best... Nice little 15 minute summary here...

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# 1 ONE GROUP. are those under the LAW. and the LAW of Moses does count for today as Christ BLOOD

has NOT YET BEEN CRUCISFIED on the Cross. !!

#. 2 Those who are in the BODY of CHRIST

# 3 THOSE that are UNBELIEVERS'

# 4 THOSE UNDER THE NEW COVENANT

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prodromos said:

I wouldn't have a problem

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Looks like you're the shot-caller in this joint. Thank you, brother! I'll get started when I can.

I’ve been studying Daniel 9:24–27 closely and created a detailed clause-by-clause chart of the prophecy, including Hebrew words, chiastic layers, and proposed historical and eschatological fulfillment. My translation emphasizes that the 70 weeks are “divided out” (נֶחְתַּךְ), and verse 25 mentions “the second sixty” (בַּשְּׁנַיִם שִׁשִּׁים), suggesting a second 70-week cycle beyond the first 70 fulfilled historically (457 BC – 33 AD).


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Verse | Phrase / Clause | Hebrew Key Words | Chiastic Layer | Fulfillment / Date Marker
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9:24 | There are divided out seventy weeks | נֶחְתַּךְ | A – Divine Purpose | Dual cycle: first 70 (457–33 BC), second 70 (1542–2032 CE)
9:24 | For your holy city | קָדְשְׁךָ | A | First 70: Jerusalem rebuilt 457–408 BC
9:24 | And your people's rebellion | עַמְּךָ | A | Second 70: Israel aligns with man of sin, 1967–2032 CE
9:24 | For the restraining of lawlessness | לְכַלֵּא חַטָּאת | A | Second 70: restraining the man of lawlessness (2 Thess 2), 2025–2028.5 CE
9:24 | Marked out for the coming punishment of purging | עָוֹן | A | Second 70: end of tribulation / Day of the Lord, ~2032 CE
9:24 | For the sealing of the vision and the prophet | וּלְחָתֵם חָזוֹן | A | Second 70: vision fully realized in eschatological age, ~2032 CE
9:24 | Unto the age of righteousness; anointed holy of holies | צֶדֶק, וְלִמְשֹׁחַ קֹדֶשׁ קָדָשִׁים | A | Second 70: age of righteousness begins, ~2032 CE
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9:25 | From the word that went forth | מִן-מֹצָא דָבָר | B – Starting Points | First 70: 457 BC decree; Second 70: 1542 CE Suleiman rebuilds
9:25 | For the restoration and building of Jerusalem | לְהָשִׁיב וְלִבְנוֹת יְרוּשָׁלִם | B | First 70: 457–408 BC walls rebuilt; Second 70: 1542 CE walls rebuilt
9:25 | For a ruler and an anointed one for Jerusalem | נָגִיד וּמָשִׁיחַ | B | First 70: Ezra & Nehemiah; Second 70: typological “anointed ruler” / covenant leadership, 1967–2032 CE
9:25 | It shall take seven sevens to be built | שִׁבְעָה שִׁבְעִים | B | First 70: 49 years, 457–408 BC
9:25 | Returned at the second sixty | בַּשְּׁנַיִם שִׁשִּׁים | B | Second 70: 1967 CE, second 60th week, pivotal chiastic marker
9:25 | Anguish and diligence in streets | — | B | Both 70s: First 70 = post-rebuilding trials; Second 70 = tribulation, 2025–2032 CE
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9:26 | Two and sixty weeks after | שִׁשִּׁים וּשְׁנַיִם | C – Pivot | First 70: Messiah cut off, 26–33 AD
9:26 | None of the Messiah will be cut off | וְאֵין לוֹ | C | First 70: preserved remnant of faithful Jews, 26–33 AD
9:26 | People of the ruler shall come like a flood | עַם-נָגִיד יָבוֹא בַּשֶּׁטֶף | C | Second 70: eschatological armies / enemies, 1967–2025 CE
9:26 | City and sanctuary destroyed | הָעִיר וְהַקֹּדֶשׁ יִשָּׁחְתּוּ | C | First 70: 70 AD temple destruction; Second 70: final judgment & abomination destruction, ~2032 CE
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9:27 | He shall cause many of the covenant to prevail | וְהִגְבִּיר בְּרִית לָרַבִּים | D – Central Climax | Second 70: 2025 CE start of final 7-year week
9:27 | For the week and a half of one | וְחֲצִי הַשָּׁבוּעַ | D | Second 70: mid-week, 3½ yrs into final week, 2028.5 CE
9:27 | Upon offering and sacrifice he shall bring to end abominations | מִנְחָה וְזֶבַח … שִׁקּוּצִים | D | Second 70: eschatological cleansing of temple / people, 2025–2032 CE
9:27 | Until the one who makes desolate pours out what is decreed for consummation | שֹׁמֵם | D | Second 70: consummation / Day of the Lord, ~2032 CE
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Notes:
- Chiastic pattern: A–B–C–D–C’–B’–A’
- Hebrew keywords highlighted for structural clarity
- Second 60th week = 1967 CE pivotal marker
- Restraining lawlessness = 2 Thess 2 reference; final week = revealing of man of sin

Questions for the community:

1. Does the Hebrew wording and syntax provide linguistic support for two distinct 70-week cycles, rather than a single 490-year timeline?


2. Can the chiastic pattern (A–B–C–D–C’–B’–A’) be reasonably defended from a grammatical and syntactical standpoint?


3. Are there any objections from the Hebrew text itself (singular/plural forms, verb agreements, semantic scope) that might favor a single-cycle interpretation?



I’d love insights from scholars or practitioners experienced in Biblical Hebrew, Daniel studies, or eschatological prophecy analysis.


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DANIEL 9:24–27 DUAL 70-WEEK CHIASM
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CHIASTIC LAYER: A B C D

FIRST 70 WEEKS — HISTORICAL FULFILLMENT
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457 BC 408 BC 26 AD 33 AD 70 AD
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Word goes 7 weeks Messiah Messiah cut Temple
forth: decree (49 yrs) appears off (וְאֵין לוֹ) destroyed
to rebuild Built walls (נָגִיד/ People of City & Sanctuary
Jerusalem /city מָשִׁיחַ) the ruler destroyed
(מִן-מֹצָא completed rejected (הָעִיר וְהַקֹּדֶשׁ)
דָבָר, בִּירוּשָׁלִם) Messiah)
נָגִיד וּמָשִׁיחַ)

Verse refs: 9:24–26

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SECOND 70 WEEKS — MODERN / ESCHATOLOGICAL FULFILLMENT
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1542 CE 1967 CE 2025 CE 2028.5 CE 2032 CE
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Word goes Second 60th Start final Midpoint of Consummation
forth: Suleiman week marker 7-year week week, half- / Day of Lord
rebuilt walls (בַּשְּׁנַיִם Many of the week (וַחֲצִי ends / holy
of Jerusalem שִׁשִּׁים) covenant הַשָּׁבוּעַ) place anointed
(מִן-מֹצָא prevail (וְהִגְבִּיר)
דָבָר)

Abominations cease (שִׁקּוּצִים)
Until the one who makes desolate pours out decree (שֹׁמֵם)

Verse refs: 9:24–27
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CHIASTIC STRUCTURE KEY:

A — Holy City / People’s Rebellion (v.24)
B — Starting points / restoration (v.25)
C — Messiah cut off / people of ruler (v.26)
D — Many of covenant prevail / final week & half-week / cleansing (v.27)
C’ — Mirror of C: eschatological “people of ruler” & destruction
B’ — Mirror of B: second 60th week / Jerusalem returned
A’ — Mirror of A: consummation / sealing up / age of righteousness
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pasifika said:

Thank you for the post, the "deeds of the law" is referring to the old covenant law as a whole. Not just animal sacrifices because sacrifices applies when you sin and needed forgiveness, as if no sacrifices then there is no forgiveness of sin (both animal sacrifices and law goes hand in hand). The new covenant though is forgiveness by believe in the Gospel no animal sacrifices. Christ is our sacrificial lamb. Believe in Him and your sins will be forgiven.

You cannot keep any commandments given under the old covenant the lamb as was only given so we can see our sinful ways. So you can never show love by trying to keep the Sinai law.

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I think you and Paul don't see eye to eye, because he says in (Rom. 7:7,12) (v.7) What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, THOU SHALT NOT COVET.

Paul asked a question, is the law sin? He said God forbid, he said the only way that he knew what sin was, was by the law.

(v.12) Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good. Why in the world would a Christian want to do away with something that God said is holy.

Paul says in (Rom. 4:15) Because the law worketh wrath: for where no law is, there is no transgression. If there is no law there is no sin.

We must realize everybody has laws by which we must operate by, the governments have laws, your job have laws, your card games have laws, even the boy scouts have laws. But now you are going to try and convince yourselves that the creator of the world has no laws by which we must live.

DaisyDay said:

American deported:

Man deported to Laos despite US court order blocking his removal, attorneys say

District judge told Ice to keep Alabama man in US while he showed what judge called ‘substantial claim’ to citizenship

www.theguardian.com

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Immigration officials have deported a father living in Alabama to Laos despite a federal court order blocking his removal from the US on the grounds he has a claim to citizenship, the man’s attorneys said on Tuesday.​

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US district judge Shelly Dick last week ordered US Immigration and Customs Enforcement to keep Chanthila “Shawn” Souvannarath, 44, in the United States while he presented what the judge called his “substantial claim of US citizenship”, court records show. He was born in a refugee camp in Thailand but was granted lawful permanent residence in the US before his first birthday, according to court filings.​

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But Souvannarath on Sunday messaged his wife on WhatsApp and told her he was in Dongmakkhai, Laos, according to a screenshot she shared with the Associated Press. The message ends with “love y’all”.​

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He's not legally a citizen. He was not born here and was never naturalized. His legal argument goes against immigration law. There is nothing in the law that says you are a citizen just becauae your parent becomes one. How do I know? I'm from an immigrant family. My dad became naturalized before me. We were told that I and my sister had to be naturalized too before we were citizens. I did it before I was 18 because it was harder and more costly afterward.