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Deliverance in my apartment building

Hey a testimony- I moved into an apartment building in Middletown, PA October of last year. When I arrived I found that the building was infested with spirits, it was so evil there were demons walking around in the building, I could feel it, it was the pit of hell. My first night here the oppression on me was off the charts, however over the last year I have been able to cast the spirits out of here and now there is perfect peace. I broke the power of the enemy over the building, I rebuked the spirits, I bound them, and I cast them out in the name of Jesus. Then I anointed the door to my apartment with oil and prayed for a hedge of protection and that nothing evil could get through the door. Then I walked down the corridor on each floor (there are 5 floors) and prayed for the tenants and I also prayed in tongues. There is now perfect peace on my floor (floor 5), but the atmosphere on floors 2 and 3 was extremely bad. I went down to floors 2 and 3 and cast the spirits out, however they would not leave. Finally I started singing in tongues and they did leave! There is now no evil presence anywhere in the building, you would not BELIEVE the miraculous transformation! You would swear it was not the same building!

Salvation is in your hands, Jesus did his part

Paul said in (Gal. 6 (v.3) For if a man think himself to be something, when he is nothing, he deceiveth himself. (v.4) But let every man prove his own work, and then shall he have rejoicing in himself alone, and not in another.
Okay, yet Jesus is the one who gives repentance, causes it as Saviour Acts 5:31
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Denaturalization

I think immigrants should be asked, "If war broke out between the United States and your home country, which side would you support?" It the answer isn't immediately "The United States," they should leave.
A naturalized citizen has just as much right to oppose any war the United States enters as a native born citizen.
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Canada Bill C-9 We need to pray

We need to pray and write our politicians. Taking away freedom of speech, saying parts of the Bible are hate speech, will not be able to post scripture..
Bill C-9 represents an unacceptable assault on free expression in Canada. (it is especially targeting religious groups) use link provided to send a message to your member of parliament, this link is good for all over Canada.
This bill would give the government the power to criminally prosecute Canadians for their opinions, lower the bar for what legally constitutes “hate,” and strip away vital safeguards that keep authorities from weaponizing laws against dissidents. It risks turning controversial memes into crimes and silencing open debate through fear of prosecution.

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Don’t see how that bill criminalizes the Bible. Unless yours has swastikas on the cover and you wave it about in public while manning a barricade keeping others out of their place of worship maybe ?
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Weekly homilies

Homily Tuesday, December 16 2025



Zephaniah 3:1-2, 9-13

“Ah! Rebellious and polluted, the tyrannical city!; In the Lord it has not trusted, nor drawn near to its God.”



The root of a person’s evil, both against themselves and against others, is their failure to draw near to God and their turning away from Him.



Matthew 21:28-32

He answered, “Yes, Lord!” but he did not go.



Jesus presented himself as the Son who says “Yes, Lord,” and goes; he is present with us.



Biblical texts: NAB-RE

Normand Thomas.
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Kirk Cameron Takes Heat for His Annihilationist View on Hell

he is not talking about literal worms,
When Christ uses this example it's because he is talking about Gehenna and the worms/maggots that are feasting on the dead, it's a sign of destruction. And the fire continually kept going because more was added to it. It doesn't mean things are being kept alive, etc. That's also why Christ is using this as an example of unquenchable fire because again, the fires in Gehenna kept going. It's kept going to consume, not keep alive. That's what a fire does.
That’s why I bracketed the word “soul” for clarity.
Again, "you" added it. The Bible doesn't state that.
I’m not saying the wicked receive eternal life.
Yes, you are.
describe ongoing conscious judgment.
So, says you. We have to let the scriptures speak for themselves. Everlasting death is eternal judgement, and eternal punishment. Just because you don't think it's justice doesn't mean it's not God's brand of justice. When we look back it it always has been. We are told Sodom and Gomorrah is our example of what will happen to those who live ungodly. They were turned to ashes. Which again lines up with Malachi, lines up with Matthew 10:28, the fact that Christ calls it the second death. We are told there will be no more death -for the former things are passed
away.

It's life or death. One shouldn't have to add to God's word to produce a doctrine.

I understand that the primary meaning of apollumi is ‘destroy fully,’
Since you agree that is the primary meaning, what verses with apollumi do you believe states something is being fully destroyed? Do you have any example vs apollumi in Matthew 10:28? The meaning seems very clear to me because he included both body and soul. The Greek word for torment could have been used for here but wasn't. It doesn't state "fear the one that can torment both body and soul in hell for an eternity.

And why do you accept that life is just that life but death is not death?
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Third Week of Advent (Ember Days)

December 15, 2025

Our Morning Offering – 15 December – Deign, O Immaculate Virgin


One Minute Reflection –15 December – ‘ … So Mary, by the word of an Angel …’

Feria (The Third Sunday of Advent) propers & the Greater Advent Antiphons (EF)

Monday of the Third Week of Advent (Gueranger)(EF)

Monday of the Third Week of Advent readings & commentary (OF)

Monday of the Third Week of Advent readings & commentary (OF)
Other Commemorations: St. Virginia Centurione Bracelli

Daily Gospel

Saint Maximin or Mesmin of Verdun Abbot of Micy

Saints of the Day

Sermons for Everyday Living - St John of the Cross 12/15/25

Audio version of Gueranger
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Pontiole underwater Paul, and Peter

In the text Judeans aka the synagogue of satan send letters to Nero telling him to kill Christians which is why he kills that first Christian thinking it was Paul, then kills Paul, Peter, 3 Roman soldiers that became Christians, and 2 Christian woman. So the synagogue of satan were behind the Neronic persecutions in the 60s AD.
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Is Hell Annihilationism or Eternal Torment

My Shepherd, just happens to be a Doctor of Theology.
You might realize that alone sets off alarm bells for believers who know better. You might have a shepherd, small case but we all know that guy is not Thee Shepherd, capital S.

And there is always cause to ask what association this is with. I'd suggest it's probably an extremist form of determinism from reading your posts. Maybe some new offshoot with an authoritarian twist
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Eve and the Fallacy of Moral Choices

Of course not, you must ignore the different meanings for Lust and Desire
The terms are certainly bedfellows, are they not? Could you possibly conceive that Eve's desire was sin in thought, showing her lust for the fruit? I think that's a very easy connect. Not all that much different that David's lust for his neighbors wife, his desire to have her.
Rather, you appeal to the Humpty Dumpty logic of “Alice in Wonderland.”

“When I use a word, it means just what I choose it to mean—neither more nor less.”
Anyone who's studied scripture knows that the terms are not as hardline as you propose. Any casual reading of a Strongs shows that terms can have many multiple meanings and shades of meanings. Just as our own language does.

At best there’s a progression towards a sinful act but the progression itself isn’t sinful.
And Jesus told us clearly that sinful/lawless thoughts defile us ALL. Mark 7:21-23 and a similar statement (not exactly the hardline identical words) in Matt.

So I'd suggest the reason you are kicking on the subject is you think sin does not originate in thought form, even when shown that evil thoughts DEFILE us.

And IF you going to claim sin in thought form is not SIN, see Matt. 5:28 before you respond, please.
Furthermore, there is no Biblical verse supporting your claim Eve sinned by lusting for the tree, its fruit, or knowledge. None.
Just gave 2 examples in scripture above.

Eve violated the command to NOT EAT both in her mind and by her words before she et the infamous fruit. And Adam was with her when it went down and NEVER corrected her so he's implicated too.

But again the opening post points to the fact that the tempter was within them both, to deceive them both, ala Mark 4:15

Bluster as you please. There are scriptural hurdles you'll have to jump to prove otherwise and you have not even begun to do that by hinging your position on desire not being at a minimum, similar to lust. A specious argument.
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Busy, busy. Even in the cold.

O-o-h thanks for the pictures. It’s a mzldr, with the. Long barrel. I’m in the market for one. Does this one have any difficult gunsmithing for you to do. My skills are limited. But with the price of mzldr these days a fixer upper might be a good idea. Where did you find it?

sorry about the picture but I think it’s a google or apple picture. Neat back yard shot. We can’t have open fires here- chaparral- fire prone. Every 50 years it turns into spontaneous combustion. But we have had them started by the electric company too. Thanks I guess I’ll switch gears and do a search on gunbroker. This year promises mild, probably no snow and not enough rain. 50s this week. But you’re tough. Did you hunt this year?
No worries about the photo. I bought the shotgun at a local auction, $50 Canadian ($35 us), it is very rough, bottom rib needs reattached, rear tang on the trigger guard is broken off (tig welding), needs a serious cleanup, stock repairs., nipple has been dry fired to pieces. Only time will tell if it will shoot again. I hope so as it has a great feel and points naturally.
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Do you keep the Sabbath? (poll)

I was raised Baptist under Sunday worship and still attend Sunday services.

Time to time I attend Sabbath services, there are four or five Seventh Day Activists churches in this city who holds Sabbath services. Before covid a fairly large Baptist Church, under the stewardship of a once president of the Southern Baptist Convention held 6:00 p.m. Sabbath services which I attended. After covid those services ceased to my regret.

On the Sabbath, especially since I've retired, I try to maintain it as a day of rest and worship God daily.
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CHRISTMAS CARDS?

The mailman drives past our mailboxes on the road. I can't walk to the road so I'll have to wait till my daughter takes a notion to visit me. I have postage stamps already.

Well, I hope you get them sent off.

And nice of you to acknowledge my reply, thanks.
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Is there a Christian political philosophy?

I don’t follow this argument at all.

The context of Matthew 18:8-9 (the cutting off of hands passage) is clearly the entire Body of Christ, not any individual member. The context is Matthew 18:15-20, which talks about removing church members through excommunication. When parts of the Body of Christ become diseased, they are to be removed.

The first time the cutting off of hands analogy appears, however, is Matthew 5:29, and the context is Christ’s followers purging sin from themselves by following even harsher standards than that of the scribes and Pharisees. The analogy is meant to tell us how much we should despise sin in the flesh, and the zeal we should have in getting rid of it, not to inspire literal amputations. We are to be perfect as Our Heavenly Father is perfect.

Neither passage in Matthew has any bearing on the meaning of Romans 13, which is a direct command given to believers in order to preserve the order and dignity of the church. One mocks these instructions at their own peril of judgment by Our Lord on behalf of the Holy Spirit who gave those instructions to Paul.
For salvation now it is individual, not community. There is the book of Revelation example of Jezebel. She wasn't cut off but disciplined. Around her it was the eye or the loins that she appealed to from individuals. Salvation is not corporate or are you Presbyterian? Nevertheless, a literal interpretation to honour Nero and Hitler... if folly.
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Starting an investment company but...

Was in a similar spot trying to start a small project with almost no budget. While figuring things out, I found this link, they made setting up a Limited Company in the UK super easy and handled all the paperwork. That way I could focus on building the business and testing ideas without stressing over the legal stuff or expensive setups.
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