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The 2025 Government Shutdown Thread

Department of Transportation might be forced to shut down some airspace next week: Duffy

"You will see mass chaos," Transportation Secretary Sean Duffy said.

Trump administration will reduce traffic at 40 airports across the US starting Friday if shutdown continues

Ten percent of air traffic at 40 busy airports would be cut, potentially impacting thousands of flights, though the details of how many and which specific airports will be cut was not announced.

The nation’s “core 30” airports – including New York City’s three big hubs, plus major airports in Washington, DC, Chicago, Atlanta, Dallas, and across the West from Phoenix to Seattle – are among those on a preliminary list of sites expected to be impacted by the drawdown, an FAA source with direct knowledge of the situation told CNN.

“As we start to implement this drawdown in service. It will be restricted to these 40 high volume traffic markets,” FAA Administrator Bryan Bedford said. “We’re going to ask the airlines to work with us collaboratively to reduce their schedules.”

The airlines were notified of the plan only about an hour before it was announced, an airline source told CNN.

The announcement comes as air traffic controller staffing shortagesduring the shutdown are delaying an increasing number of flights throughout the country. Controllers will miss their second full paycheck next week and some are taking second jobs to make ends meet or calling in sick in protest.
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Evolution conflict and division

It's not faith, it's just a demonstrable reality. Hence why no scientist who studies paleontology, anywhere on planet earth, has ever demonstrated otherwise.

And on that note, I'll give you the last word. If creationists ever find a bird fossils in the Cambrian, please let me know. Otherwise, all the best.
No, finding bones and fossils of fully developed and functional extremely complex organisms with similarities will never add up to demonstrable or observable evolution. Nor are the dates applied to these fossils demonstrable or observable facts at all, but assumed according to predetermined deep time scenarios. This because we do not actually know the conditions of the earth at the time of the catastrophic events which created the fossil record which are therefore assumed, nor either that conditions have always remained stable concerning that which is measured unto hypothetical age determination. While we absolutely can and do observe that some things must have been very different in a most obviously very different world at one time.

This is apart from the fact that more and more evolutionists are accepting that catastrophism is the main cause of the huge fossil deposits and geological formations we find the world over, and righty so as the evidence is highly suggestive of such. They all know that fossilization is far more likely to be rapid within the conditions created by catastrophic events, especially as so many seem to be directly related to catastrophic events including major flooding. While they acknowledge this, they simply choose not to go towards a younger earth and or time of these events because it does not fit the deep time narratives they prefer which are necessary to their evolutionary positions.

No, I'm afraid evolutionists are just as dependent upon faith in their theories regarding deep time and evolution, as YEC's are about a much younger earth and a six day creation. We both must make presumptions concerning our views according to our differing faiths in either the word of God in holy scripture, or the word of scientists portraying a different picture, which have been and continue to be proved wrong repeatedly even by their own selves. I am willing to admit my faith in God's word, are you not willing to admit your faith in the word of professed scientists concerning unobservable and or therefore testable historical science?
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,Think it not strange concerning the fiery trial which is to try you....

Peace in Christ.

Jesus is not in the grave of the man-based churches where many are mortally perishing because they are listening to false prophets who are leading them astray down the broad way that leads to their mortal destruction. MANY are being mortally destroyed. They are the "flock of the slaughter" who are being "pastored" by false prophets. MANY are the "vessels of wrath."

The false prophets lead them away from fulfilling the law and the prophets:

Mat 7:12-15 KJV
(12) Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets.
(13) Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:
(14) Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

(15) Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.

The 2 men in shining garments in Luke 24:4 = Moses and Elijah = the law and the prophets.

Luk 24:4-8 KJV
(4) And it came to pass, as they were much perplexed thereabout, behold, two men stood by them in shining garments:

Why seek the living among the dead?

Why seek the living among the dead man-based churches where His life is not being made manifest in the mortal flesh of any of their congregations?

(5) And as they were afraid, and bowed down their faces to the earth, they said unto them, Why seek ye the living among the dead?
(6) He is not here, but is risen: remember how he spake unto you when he was yet in Galilee,

The Son of man (the manifestation of the life of Jesus in our mortal flesh) is being delivered into the hands (power) of sinful men in the man-based churches and is being crucified. This is a present reality. His life is being extinguished from this earth...and the people of the outside world cannot see His glory shining to them from the dead ...from the man-based churches.

(7) Saying, The Son of man must be delivered into the hands of sinful men, and be crucified, and the third day rise again.
(8) And they remembered his words,

The Holy One and the Just is being denied as His life is not being made manifest in this world. The Prince of life is being killed even though God has ALREADY raised Him from the dead.

Act 3:14-15 KJV
(14) But ye denied the Holy One and the Just, and desired a murderer to be granted unto you;

(15) And killed the Prince of life, whom God hath raised from the dead; whereof we are witnesses.

In ignorance do we do this…as do the man-based church rulers...the princes of this age... that are being followed.

Act 3:17 KJV

(17) And now, brethren, I wot that through ignorance ye did it, as did also your rulers.

The church rulers are the “princes of this age” which are coming to nothing....their end is destruction.

If they knew the wisdom of God, they would not CRUCIFY now the LORD OF GLORY who has already been raised from the dead and to glory.

Jesus is risen now. He is alive now so that we might have His life now.

His glory is not being revealed in this world currently (through us) when Jesus has already been raised to glory so that we might shine His glory to the people of the outside world.

1Co 2:6-8 KJV
(6) Howbeit we speak wisdom among them that are perfect: yet not the wisdom of this world, nor of the princes of this world (AGE), that come to nought:
(7) But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, even the hidden wisdom, which God ordained before the world unto our glory:

(8) Which none of the princes of this world (AGE) knew: for had they known it, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory.

The princes of this age have been living in pleasure on the earth. They are rejoicing in this “day of slaughter” as the life of Jesus is being cut off from ever being made manifest in this earth by them. They are pastoring the "flock of the slaughter" who are not being fed the truth of the gospel.

Jas 5:5-6 KJV

(5) Ye have lived in pleasure on the earth, and been wanton; ye have nourished your hearts, as in a day of slaughter.

They condemn and kill the Just One….and He does not resist them.

(6) Ye have condemned and killed the just; and he doth not resist you.

The gospel is being hid to those who are “lost”….that is, PERISHING.

2Co 4:3-5 KJV
(3) But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost (PERISHING):

The god of this age …their belly….has blinded their minds so that they cannot understand the gospel of the glory of Christ.

(4) In whom the god of this world (AGE) hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ (the gospel of the glory of Christ), who is the image of God, should shine unto them.
(5) For we preach not ourselves, but Christ Jesus the Lord; and ourselves your servants for Jesus' sake.

The princes of this age come to nothing as their end is destruction….the destruction of their mortal bodies. They are only serving for their belly….their “god”…the “god of this age.” They are taking many with them down the broad way to their destruction as they have no understanding of the gospel and are not preaching it to their congregations.

Php 3:18-19 KJV
(18) (For many walk, of whom I have told you often, and now tell you even weeping, that they are the enemies of the cross of Christ:

(19) Whose end is destruction, whose God is their belly, and whose glory is in their shame, who mind earthly things.)

The Son of man (the manifestation of the life of Jesus in the mortal flesh) is being delivered into the hands of sinful men (rich church rulers…the princes of this age) where they are keeping His life hidden from this world because of their ignorance.

The Son of man is in the “heart of the earth” as the princes of this age are only minding earthly things and have no knowledge of the truth of the gospel. They are serving for their own belly.

Mat 12:40 KJV
(40) For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.

We must come out from among the graves of the man-based churches who have no understanding and are not manifesting the life of Jesus. Jesus is not there among the “dead” for He is risen.

Mat 28:5-10 KJV
(5) And the angel answered and said unto the women, Fear not ye: for I know that ye seek Jesus, which was crucified.

(6) He is not here: for he is risen, as he said. Come, see the place where the Lord lay.

We must “go quickly” from them and tell others that He is risen from the dead. We follow Him out of the graves of the man-based churches and into the outside world….the “Galilee”…the circle of the gentiles. He goes before us into "Galilee"...and we must follow Him who is the Way... the Truth... and the life. Only there outside the graves of the man-based churches will we see Him. Only there outside them will we manifest His presence...His glory...to the outside world.

(7) And go quickly, and tell his disciples that he is risen from the dead; and, behold, he goeth before you into Galilee; there shall ye see him: lo, I have told you.
(8) And they departed quickly from the sepulchre with fear and great joy; and did run to bring his disciples word.
(9) And as they went to tell his disciples, behold, Jesus met them, saying, All hail. And they came and held him by the feet, and worshipped him.

(10) Then said Jesus unto them, Be not afraid: go tell my brethren that they go into Galilee, and there shall they see me.

The man-based churches will not understand why you will leave them and will trouble you. But we are not to be afraid of their terror nor be troubled. We are to always be ready to give an answer to every man that will ask us a reason for the hope that is in us with meekness and fear.

1Pe 3:14-18 KJV
(14) But and if ye suffer for righteousness' sake, happy are ye: and be not afraid of their terror, neither be troubled;

(15) But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts: and be ready always to give an answer to every man that asketh you a reason of the hope that is in you with meekness and fear:

They will speak evil of us…as evildoers for leaving…but we are to suffer with Christ by not rendering evil for their evil.

(16) Having a good conscience; that, whereas they speak evil of you, as of evildoers, they may be ashamed that falsely accuse your good conversation in Christ.
(17) For it is better, if the will of God be so, that ye suffer for well doing, than for evil doing.

(18) For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:

They will think it “strange” that we will no longer run with them after their church things and will speak evil of us as evildoers. We are to no longer walk according to their will as they served their abominable images. “Abominable idolatries” = abominable IMAGE WORSHIP. They are keeping and serving their images...their church handwritings of ordinances/dogmas instead of keeping and serving the commandments of God which are written upon our hearts and minds.

1Pe 4:3-4 KJV
(3) For the time past of our life may suffice us to have wrought the will of the Gentiles, when we walked in lasciviousness, lusts, excess of wine, revellings, banquetings, and abominable idolatries:

(4) Wherein they think it strange that ye run not with them to the same excess of riot, speaking evil of you:

Think it not strange concerning the fiery trial of us by them. They will speak evil of us for leaving them…but we are not to return evil for their evil so that we are made partakers of Christ’s sufferings so that when His glory shall be revealed (through our mortal flesh to the people of the outside world), we may be glad also with exceeding joy.

1Pe 4:12-13 KJV
(12) Beloved, think it not strange concerning the fiery trial which is to try you, as though some strange thing happened unto you:

(13) But rejoice, inasmuch as ye are partakers of Christ's sufferings; that, when his glory shall be revealed, ye may be glad also with exceeding joy.

We are to depart from the graves of the man-based churches with trembling and amazement…not returning evil for evil…not saying anything to any man...working out our salvation with fear and trembling.

Mar 16:6-8 KJV
(6) And he saith unto them, Be not affrighted: Ye seek Jesus of Nazareth, which was crucified: he is risen; he is not here: behold the place where they laid him.
(7) But go your way, tell his disciples and Peter that he goeth before you into Galilee: there shall ye see him, as he said unto you.

(8) And they went out quickly, and fled from the sepulchre; for they trembled and were amazed: neither said they any thing to any man; for they were afraid.

How people choose a church

Why mention priesthood? Paul and Timothy were not priests, except in the sense that Peter says all Christians are priests:

“But you [are] a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, His own special people, that you may proclaim the praises of Him who called you out of darkness into His marvelous light;” (1Pe 2:9 NKJV)

1 Timothy 4:14 mentions the spiritual gift that was in Timothy, but not mention of him being a priest.
I'm confused, David.
Were persons not to receive the gift of holy spirit through the laying of hands, unlike when it was poured out by Jesus on the day of Pentecost of 33 C.E?
Priesthood and apostleship are not the same as receiving of holy spirit. Is that not so?

Perhaps there is some confusion, or misunderstanding on what the laying of the hands on individuals involves.
It requires reading just a few passages of scripture - Acts 6:5, 6; Acts 8:14-19; Acts 9:17; Acts 13:2, 3; Acts 19:1-7, to see that the laying of hands had a variety of purposes, but none of which involved apostleship.

Regarding the priesthood, all spirit born, or spirit anointed individuals serve as priests.... not on earth, but in heaven, with Jesus the high priest. 1 Peter 2:4-10; Revelation 5:10; Revelation 20:6
Again, we see that Jesus is first and foremost, both apostle, and priest.
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SNAP benefits ( gentally)

So if you wanted a better car, it sounds like you married poorly.

Instead of blaming Snap holders for your bad car, blame yourself for not marrying better, or for having a wife who can’t keep you in the lifestyle you feel you deserve. Saying some people you believe deserve less than you drive nicer cars than you do and it hurts your feelings is weird, especially when if you worked harder or married better you’d solve your problem, just as you claim would solve Snap recipients problems.
Considering welfare recipients are disproportionately single women, perhaps, according to your logic, the fault is theirs because men want nothing to do with them and their kids.
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There’s a Giant Flaw in Human History

How many of the 20 vases should they give up. A rare opportunity to measure precision vases and you want to force the testers to lose precisous opportunity in measuring precise vases and replace them with crooked ones they already know are crooked and won't learn anything.
I'm not going to design their studies for them as I don't have the relevant information to do so, but the vase phrenologists are *not* designing proper studies. That you don't like that assessment is too bad, but that is your problem, not mine.
Thats because your hyper skeptical on stuff like this which is more about a belief than actual objective data.

Its widely acknowledged these precision vases occupy a seperate class or category if you like from other vases. Whether thats simple their looks to the naked eye, the many tests done, or the many references to these vases as being special and the peak of Egyptian vase making.
The plots from the products of the vase-nuts make it unclear that these categories exist. This has been pointed out in posts to you for weeks. This is the whole problem with vase phrenology -- it is not rigorous. It is presented with the veneer of science, but it is just the Potemkin-village version. The sensitivity of your meter does not make ghost hunting into science.
Do you think there was more than one method from making vases. Do you think at least some vases have been lathed and some not. Do you see any difference in the signations on the vases I linked in alabasta to the hard stone vases that may indicate method..
The alabaster vases are Old Kingdom and are not relevant to the pre-dynastic vase claims.
And those pointing out the non rigorous work. Where is their tests and analysis and publication of their findings. Are you asking me to believe sources that have no formal work to back their claims. That would be bad epistemically.

I know one thing. Any reasonable and fair source would not be deriding those they are trying to prove wrong. Or be assuming they are wrong before any work has been to to support such. Just on that basis they are disqualified. The testers have conducted themselves much better.

Much of the objections are blown out of proportion. We are talking microns deviations in circularity and suddenly its not lathed. Thats why I cut to the chase and asked what is the threshold for lathed. Is there not good and bad lathing. How does a couple of microns suddenly make it not lathed.

I also pointed out that the Petrie museum vases had better circularity than an actual CNC replica vase that we definitely know was lathed. How is that not support for lathing.
You are under the mistaken impression that those hearing an iffy claim must disprove it rigorously. The burden of proof falls on those making it and you gang of misfit pseudoscience sources make very poor arguments. These unreliable narrators are the sources you use. There is little point in discussing their "results" until we talk about their "problems". Please read and reply to post #1004.

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Matthew Dowd Fired from MSNBC For Vile Comments Blaming Charlie Kirk For Assassination

Point of clarification - Dowd (the MSNBC commentator) is not one of the people who are alleging wrongful termination. MSNBC is well within its rights, as a private company, to fire him for his speech.
Shame on me for not checking again. Thanks for the correction.
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Is there a Biblical mandate on what the role of government should be?

Maybe not as a model, but to develop some governing principles. Unless you are suggesting we abstain from engaging in politics entirely, we cannot separate our voting conscience from our faith. This isn't about establishing a kingdom on Earth, but about conforming our political ideas to what God values in government.

There's no hot take answer to what "God values in government" in that manner. Anybody that tells you otherwise is attempting to manipulate you, and can be immediately discounted for that reason alone.
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Is Romans 3:25 in the Greek in ANY manuscript version the same? (Some who knows greek - help)

Thanks, that's not clear though - and seems to indicate the opposite of what I've found. KJV modifies nothing - unless I'm confused on your meaning of "modify" - it is a literal translation from greek - hence - no modification. Is this right?
"Modify" is just the grammatical way of saying that the question is what the prepositional phase "by/in His blood" goes with.

- Some think it goes with the verb "put forth", Usually this takes blood as signifying the death, and may take hilistarion as mercy seat, or a place of reconciliation.

- Some think with the noun propitiation/sacrifice, signifying it is a sacrice of propitiation by blood.

- Some think with faith, by faith in His blood.
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Morality without Absolute Morality

You claim it's just a subjective preference, but then you act as if it is an objective issue. You aren't consistent in maintaining that it's just your subjective preference, because you act as if it is well and truly wrong not just distasteful to you.
I act on it because it is distasteful to me.
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Do you believe a Christian can no longer be a believer?

  • A person can be "permanently lost" if they persistently reject the Holy Spirit's guidance, which is considered the unforgivable sin (blasphemy of the Holy Spirit). This is a deliberate, willful, and ongoing rejection of the path to salvation.
The lost can be found.

God does not passively wait for people to come to Him. Rather, He actively seeks out those who are lost until they are found. The shepherd leaves the 99 sheep to go after the one that is lost, demonstrating God's persistent and personal pursuit.

ALL have sinned ... all start out in a "lost condition" ... that can be changed by the power on the Holy Spirit.
You tried to dodge the question, but your answer cannot be hidden. You do know that promoting the doctrine of sinless perfection is not allowed on this site, right?
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Uruguay gets 99% of their NRG...

This got me wondering if there are other nations with 100% or close to for renewable energy. There are a several as the following link demonstrates.

The first part of the article gives total renewable power, the second part is the national percentage provided by renewable sources.


China generates the greatest total followed by the USA, 2894 TWh and 965 TWh respectively. Compare this to Uruguay's total generation of 12 TWh.

But they drop to 31% and 22% respectively as a percentage of their total energy requirements, placed 101 and 119 in global ranking..

Most of the nations which have 100% renewable energy or near to it seem to have significant water reserves for hydroelectric generation.

My own country Australia is water poor, with our national average about 420mm per year, and that's unevenly spread. Tully in North Queensland averages over 4 metres of rain a year, whereas Alice Springs gets around 290mm (a bit less than a foot). We're the second driest continent after Antarctica, with about 70% considered arid or semi-arid, and 18% desert.

The smallest island state Tasmania generates all its power from hydroelectricity, but overall only 6% of the national consumption is hydroelectric.

Solar provides 16% and wind 12%. They'll both go up but it will take time. We've got the disadvantage of a big country with long power lines, and not a big population to pay for it.

Uruguay has a small population but they are also a small country, only about 2.6 times the size of our smallest state so they have some advantages.
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