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A conversation I am having right now with DeepSeek LLM/AI.

You can't have a conversation with AI--there's nobody there to talk to. DeepSeek is an LLM--basically a glorified search engine.

That's the problem with calling applications like DeepSeek "artificial intelligence." It implies that actual intelligence has somehow been artificially achieved. In fact, "simulated intelligence" would be closer to the mark.
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How is the Economy Doing Right Now?

Nine months after Donald Trump took office, promising to reduce prices on “day one”, a clear majority of Americans say their monthly costs have risen by between $100 and $749, according to an exclusive new poll conducted for the Guardian.

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Limited vs unlimited atonement?

I am not disagreeing with that.

None of this is showing I had some problem or was upset, so I have no idea why you spoke about that, as if it was an issue in discussion. I do not disagree with God choosing, but I would if you would say we cannot understand any basis God has in that. Your own definition of elect does not match how it used in the Bible still. And while God alone chooses, God is not willing that any perish, right? Or do you disagree with the passage that says that?
Your point was that "Believers are elected to be conformed to the image of Christ. That is the right application for the word." It seems to indicate to me that you do not believe that God chose (elected) people to be saved, but merely to be conformed to the image of Christ. Am I correct in thinking this?
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Why do people hate ICE...

Why would anyone expect the sentiments surrounding the racial complexities of his presidency to be any different for this specific issue, when it was in place for many of the other issues?
Because there's a far simpler and more straightforward explanation.
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Emergency abortion denials by Catholic hospitals put woman in danger, after her water broke at 17 weeks, lawsuit claims

The site has a paywall.

What you may be referring to is a different patient at a different hospital.

"Providence St. Joseph Hospital allegedly gave a hemorrhaging patient buckets and towels and directed her to another hospital 12 miles away."
... maybe you should read all of it.
Maybe you should.
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Stranger Things

Your Favorite YouTube Channel is (Probably) Owned By Private Equity

YouTube channels are the latest interest for revenue hunger firms protecting themselves against the downturns in entertainment and traditional media. But their entry is problematic and diminishes the difference the platform offered with original content. The alternatives we enjoyed are being eroded. We move to different mediums hoping to escape only to discover they’re everywhere.

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The Saving results of the Death of Christ !

If Christ died for our sins according to the scripture, the following things are true:

That we were sinners dead in sin without hope, and could do nothing to save ourselves. Matt 1:21; Eph 2:12

It means that God has chosen us in Christ Jesus before the foundation Eph 1:4 and wherein Grace was given to us in Him for the purpose of saving 2 Tim 1:9

It means that God has forgiven us all our sins and will not never charge them to us, lay them to our account ! Rom 4; 8;

If Christ died for us we have the Righteousness of God through Christ charged to us 2 Cor 5:21; Rom 4

If Christ died for us, His redemptive death secured our salvation from the curse of the law. Gal 3:13

If Christ died for us, we shall be given Spiritual life by the Spirit Gal 4:4-6

If Christ died for us, God will send to us the Gospel of our salvation. Eph 1:13; 2 Thess 2:13-14

If Christ died for us, God will preserve us unto eternal glory ! 2 Tim 4:18 6
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AI understands the Sabbath and Col 2:16

If one doesn't live in Alaska, I would not concern yourself with it.
I believe the Bible works all around the world, I'm sure you do too :heart:

their voice has gone out into all the earth, their words to the ends of the world Psalm 19

God is not going to judge us based on other people.

One can always try to find a loophole if they want to, or can find ways to obey just as we see examples of people in Alaska. God knows everything, nothing we can hide from Him Ecc12:13-14
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Heating up down under

Jesus knows that climate change hypocrites:
  1. drive gas-powered cars
  2. have cement patios
  3. have glass windows
  4. barbecue on a grill
  5. have fireplaces
  6. drink soda pop
  7. carry CO₂ extinguishers
Fly in jets all over the world to attend climate change seminars. Bill Nye probably has a boatload of frequent flyer miles.
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Faith/Works

You have listed Romans 8:5-6. The point is it makes no difference how much we sin less as long as we set our mind on the things of the spirit. And the fruit of the spirit is love, peace joy, kindness, goodness, patience, and forbearance (Matthew etc.) But we must utilize the cross in which he covered once and for all (John 1:29) after we've acknowledged ourselves as sinners. However, we must bear fruit in accordance with our repentance, but that never means to work the OT law. Faith works through love to follow him period (Galatians 5:6).

So on Hebrews 10:26-27 - it may often say something like that in the Bible, but if you look closer up top or below them, it'll usually begin to direct our faith by spurring each other on toward love and good deeds (Hebrews 10:24-25). But our passion must not be driven towards sin or habitual sin; instead, it must be led by Christ and to trust what He did to overcome them all. So we must stir up our passion against the lust of world by desiring the things of God without worrying about falling too short of OT sins.

Be not stuck on those verses that confuse people into circumcision or uncircumcision (regarding law) but expand your reading around them, including others that explain its meaning.

Hope I could be of help.
I dont know why but I can see your response to me on my phone and not my computer. I cant reply to you on my phone because due to ad popups my keyboard disappears constantly and its infuriating. So I'm going to leave this here for now, and when I can get to my computer, I'll edit this comment with my reply to you.

Edit: Okay, let me ask you something. If you are married and you create a relationship with someone else at the same time, what does that make you? An adulterer. If you are "without worrying about falling too short of OT sins", then there is no point in stopping if your argument is "makes no difference how much we sin less" because I could read the bible and literally continually commit adultery. But what does the bible say?
"Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites, nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God." 1 Corinthians 6:9-10. If you continually are an adulterer, that keeps you in that status. While you are having sex with some other person, you are not suddenly NOT an adulterer just because you claim the name of Jesus and the cross. That's cognitive dissonance, the two views are apposing and cannot be true at the same time.

I do agree by reading around verses too to get the bigger idea which is why I love Romans, James, 1 John, 1 Peter, 1 Corinthians, and Hebrews because their concepts and what they argue back up each other. I also added Jesus's parables because they too add to the whole point. But you also cannot disregard certain verses that contradict your point. You're essentially arguing that sinning is fine, because Jesus atoned for it, and that contradicts Romans.

What is sin?
1 John 3:4:
"Sin is the transgression of the law"

In essence, the point of the law is to show us how dirty we are. How much we've transgressed against Gods rules and now only how much we need his forgiveness for what we've done, but how much we need his help to stop breaking his rules. Jesus never came to abolish the law, but to fulfill it. Which means it still applies and I mean the moral law (don't lie, don't cheat, don't steal) not the Jewish law which includes circumcision which was requirements for Jews only to set them apart.

Also, how may times did Jesus say repent? How many times did God call people back to repentance? What does it say in revelation that the wicked people don't do during the trib? Repent. What is repentance? Summed up in this verse:

2 Chronicles 7:14
  • “If my people, who are called by my name, will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, then I will hear from heaven, and I will forgive their sin and will heal their land.”
You have to apply the entire book and teachings because your argument right now disregards so much scripture that is important. If it wasn't, it wouldn't have been taught.
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Ancient “communion bread” with Jesus image found in Turkey

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Photo from the Karaman Governorate

Instead of the familiar Christ Pantokrator, the image presents Jesus as a sower or farmer — an agrarian motif that would have spoken directly to local communities.

Archaeologists in Turkey's Karaman province have uncovered five carbonized loaves from the Byzantine era — one stamped with an image of Jesus and a Greek inscription that reads, “With gratitude to the blessed Jesus.”

The breads were found at Topraktepe, ancient Eirenopolis, and dated to the 7th–8th centuries A.D.

What sets the find apart is the iconography. Instead of the familiar Christ Pantokrator, the image presents Jesus as a sower or farmer — an agrarian motif that would have spoken directly to local communities whose faith, labor, and lands were intertwined. The other loaves bear Maltese cross impressions, strengthening the case that these were used liturgically, likely as communion breads.

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