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Warden_of_the_Storm · 2025-11-28T03:15:54-0600

AV1611VET said:
I suspect it's because he dares to disagree with your beliefs.

Yeah... that's not it at all.

It's definitely more the question of HOW Hovind does it that we find disagreeable. Since it massively amounts to just outright lies from him...

rockytopva · 2025-11-28T03:07:31-0600

The Necessities of Revival… Coming to God thirsty

In the last day, that great day of the feast, Jesus stood and cried, saying, If any man thirst, let him come unto me, and drink. He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water (But this spake he of the Spirit, which they that believe on him should receive: for the Holy Ghost was not yet given; because that Jesus was not yet glorified.) – John 7 (also the text to Zac's sermon below)

Key word… Thirsty

First Generation – Thirsty for God. There have been so many communities having terrible times in the Southeast. Like men many weeks in the desert they were very thirsty, and a cup of water would have been worth the universe to them. The people of the first generation came to God this way and turned out incredible people. Being thankful and showing much joy over the least little things. And also showing much goodness to the children they would bring about as family.

Second Generation – Thirsty for the world. This generation will spend time educating themselves and bringing in families with the motive for them to have a better life than they did.

Third Generation – The spoiled bunch… Hard to figure out what brings them lasting satisfaction.

We are living in post third generation times... I have not been active in church for the wonder of it all. How would I teach people these days? What are they thirsty for? Almost like a chapter out of the book of Judges in which a bad generation arose after a good one.

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7thKeeper · 2025-11-28T02:04:13-0600

Postvieww said:
False!

True, he has the convictions to back it up.

Larniavc · 2025-11-28T01:21:43-0600

RileyG said:
It’s not about being rude, it’s about integrity.

It IS about being rude. If one insisted that a Christian was by definition in a cult that would be rude and even though one might be accurate it would be beyond rude to state it.

mkr · 2025-11-28T01:12:43-0600

I want to thank everyone who prays for John. I received a message that John is doing better. Praise God.

Hans Blaster · 2025-11-28T01:12:01-0600

Landon Caeli said:
Yeah! You both are aiding religious expansion, by defending it. I am trying to destroy it.

I support the Constitutional right of all in this country to practice their religion, no matter how stupid I think it is.

Mark Quayle · 2025-11-28T01:10:15-0600

timothyu said:
What remains of what we have learned here if nothing else is remembered? Obviously, if we are considered worthy of the Kingdom, then it must be goodness alone. What kind of beings will we then be having no concept of this life? What then of what we call religion is even relevant if we are but a worthy product of this life? Is how we live now, our character, not more important than following house rules?

Isaiah 65:17 For behold, I create new heavens and a new earth, and the former things shall not be remembered or come into mind.

Ecclesiastes 1:11 There is no remembrance of former things, nor will there be any remembrance of later things yet to be among those who come after.

We are considered worthy only because of Christ's worthiness and none of our own. The quality of our faith has nothing to do with our intelligence nor comprehensions, but depends on whether the source of it is God himself or not. This life is not for this life.

keras · 2025-11-28T01:08:55-0600

Zion, the Promised Land
Isaiah 49:14-23 Zion says: The Lord has forsaken me. The Lord says: Can a woman forget her child? I shall never forget you. I have inscribed you on the palms of My hands. Your dwellings are always before My eyes.

Your people will hasten back, while your enemies depart. Look around, your children gather and come to you. They will be as ornaments in the Land.

Once the Land was desolate. Your enemies are now far away. The children born while the Land was occupied by foreigners will now say: This place is too small for us. Zion will say; who bore these children, when I was deserted, where did they come from?

The Lord says; I shall signal to the nations, they will carefully transport My people to their Promised Land. Kings will be your sponsors and great people will serve and honour you. You will know that I am the Lord, none who trust in Me will be disappointed.

Zion: The holy Land, forsaken and desolate, Jeremiah 22:6-7, Hosea 4:3, that is how it will be after the next prophesied event: The Lord’s Day of vengeance and wrath, an explosion of the sun, directed at the Middle East that will clear and cleanse the entire area. Currently most of the holy Land is occupied by atheists or false religion worshippers. The Jews will be judged, Zechariah 13:7-9, Ezekiel 30:1-5, Hosea 4:3, Zephaniah 1:18, 2 Peter 3:7

‘the enemies depart, they are now far away’: Psalms 83 and Micah 4:11 tell us how the surrounding nations and entities all hate Israel and want to ‘wipe them off the map’. Those attackers will all be killed, some by their own weapons; Psalms 7:12-16, and the rest of the inhabitants will flee. Jeremiah 49:4-5 & 35-37

‘Your people will hasten back’: A part of Judah has returned, but very few are true believers and Judah now faces judgement. Only a remnant will survive in Jerusalem after the Lord cleanses all of the holy Land of every wicked and ungodly person. Isaiah 6:13, Isaiah 66:15-17, Romans 9:27 All true Christians are the Lord’s people, His elect: Romans 9:24-26, Psalms 24:3-5, Malachi 3:16-17

‘The Lord’s people, all those who put their trust in Him’: Christians from every race, nation and language, will be gathered and transported to all the area from the Nile to the Euphrates. Isaiah 66:18b-20, Psalms 107, Jer. 23:3-4, Zechariah 9:16 On that Day their God will save them, they will sparkle like jewels in the Land.

‘The Promised Land’: will be regenerated and become fruitful. Joel 2:21-24, Psalms 126:1-5

Ezekiel 36:8-12 You, mountains of Israel, put forth your branches and bear fruit, for the homecoming of your people is near. Isaiah 51:3

Isaiah 35:1-10 Let the desert be glad, let it flower and rejoice!...Be strong, My people, fear not: your God comes to save you with His vengeance and retribution. Then; understanding will be given to all who couldn’t see or comprehend the Prophetic Word.

A highway will appear and by that road, the Lord’s redeemed people will travel into their heritage. His holy people, set free will enter Zion with shouts of praise for their Redeemer. Gladness and joy will come upon them and suffering and sorrow will be gone.

Psalms 48:11-14 The hills of Zion rejoice, Judah’s cities are glad. Walk about the holy Land, count the towers. Note the fortifications and buildings, so that you can tell about them to the coming generations. For this God is our God, our guide and protector, now and forever.

Psalms 69:35-36 For God will deliver Zion and rebuild the cities of Judah. The children of those who serve Him will inherit the Land and those who love His Name will dwell there.

Isaiah 55:11-13 You will go out with joy and be led forth in peace....the Land will rejoice at your coming.
Reference: Revised English Bible, some verses abridged.

That all this happens before the Return of Jesus in His glory, is made clear by Isaiah 49:23,
‘you will know that I am the Lord’’. First, His people will gather and settle in all of the holy Land. Those who serve the Lord will inherit the Land. Psalms 126:1-5
All this is prophesied to happen as all the faithful Christian peoples from every tribe, race, nation and language, prepare for the glorious Return and Millennial reign of Jesus.

ladodgers6 · 2025-11-28T01:07:10-0600

Fervent said:
We've been through it enough that I see no point in going around again and again. It's no strawman I'm 'beating up" on, it's the capricious theological monster Calvinists prop up with their word games about compatibilist "free will" that's not really free will and God who is wrathful with human beings who are just carrying out what He has supposedly decreed them to do in the first place.

Your assessment of Classical Calvinism is incorrect. I was a Classical Arminian before I became a Classical Calvinist. I recanted the Arminian position because it is a synergistic approach to redemption. The Arminian or synergistic position has a lofty view of fallen man. This is position encompasses a weak view of the Fall and Sin. Fallen Man according to Synergistic camps still possess some power within to save themselves. Perfect example is Partial Regeneration or Prevenient Grace. Though I will note that Calvinists also hold to Prevenient Grace but not in the same paradigm as Arminians or Synergistic theologies do.

Here's an example. I was taught as a Classical Arminian that Prevenient Grace must precede before anything. But here's the fine print as you keep studying. This Prevenient Grace (Arminian) states that it's a Partial Regeneration. Where the sinner is placed somewhere in limbo between life & death to make a decision? Either accept and believe and be saved, or refuse and reject and go to perdition. This didn't sit right with me. Why? Because if a sinner receives and understands their plight before God and know what each decision they make will entail. Why would anyone choose to reject God and got to Hell? Furthermore, why do some choose to accept while others to not? I have asked a lot of people from the Synergistic camp this question with no suffice satisfaction. Besides that Prevenient Grace taught by Arminians was not a Biblical teaching. It is man-made to try to support their view of Free-Will. But ironic enough the Classical Arminian position teaches Total Depravity so by this contradiction, what they give with the right hand they take away with the left hand.

Your thoughts?

Ellesmere · 2025-11-28T01:03:03-0600

1) Given that are currently over 45,000 Christian denominations, groups and sects in the world it shouldn't come as a surprise that no version of the Bible can achieve universal acceptance - even within the Christian community itself!

2) Read the Preface found at the front of any version of the Bible - I challenge anyone to find in these introductory notes the claim that their translation to be "INFALLIBLE!"

3) That being the case leaves the Bible subject to different interpretations!

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Apple Sky · 2025-11-28T00:27:58-0600

Press For Engine On ........

HPLW

The Liturgist · 2025-11-28T00:14:36-0600

bbbbbbb said:
I agree completely. Thank you!

I don’t think the liturgical practice in the Oriental Orthodox churches is meaningless at all. It requires humility on the part of the bishop; pride is toxic to bishops and monastics, and most of our bishops are also monastics. The function of the liturgy is to demonstrate the greatest serving the least to the congregation, to inspire piety in the youths whose feet are washed (also historically, in churches in the deserts of Syria, Iraq and Egypt and the beautiful but rugged countryside of Armenia and Lebanon, to relieve real discomfort in preparation for Pascha), and to remind the bishop of his role by forcing him to humble himself as Christ did.

The Eastern Orthodox version is less moving in my personal opinion, but still meaningful. This is one of those cases where the OO managed to get an edge on us liturgically (another being the lovely variable fractions of the Coptic Rite, the colorful vesture of the Syriac Orthodox Rite and, theoretically, the diversity of West Syriac anaphorae, and also the longer Coptic and Ethiopian liturgies, which maintain superb quality despite an increase in quantity).

Also historically Western Christians would give alms on Maundy Thursday in lieu of foot washing, which would not have at the time been meaningless.

However those restorationist churches in which everyone washes everyone else’s feet quarterly before the Eucharist has been celebrated have I think overdone it.

9Rock9 · 2025-11-28T00:12:25-0600

Rawtheran said:
Hello There 9Rock9 my name is Dillon Ringo and I am a Pastor within the Church of the Nazarene and thank you for asking this really thought-provoking question I'll do the best that I can to answer it! The official position that the Church of the Nazarene takes on the inerrancy of scripture is that it is absolutely inerrant in that everything that is contained within the scriptures is absolutely true. For example, there really was a King David who reigned and ruled in Israel, Satan is a literal fallen angel, The Ressurection of Christ actually really did happen, etc. but the focus of the scripture is on how it relates to our relationship with God and how it reveals to us how we all have a broken relationship with God because of sin and that it is only through Christ that we are cleansed from sin and have a right relationship with God. The reason why the fourth article in the Articles of Faith is states as such:

We believe in the plenary inspiration of the Holy Scriptures, by which we understand the 66 books of the Old and New Testaments, given by divine inspiration, inerrantly revealing the will of God concerning us in all things necessary to our salvation, so that whatever is not contained therein is not to be enjoined as an article of faith(Church of the Nazarene Manual, Article 4).

The reason why it is stated this way is to avoid a pitfall known as the inerrancy trap where someone who would look at what the Bible is saying without trying to understand the context of the meaning of the verse as was intended to the original audience could then twist scripture in order to justify a morally irreprehensible thing such as child abuse because "The Bible tells me it's ok." It also is meant to allow for other points of view to exist within the denomination such as maybe the belief in Old Earth Creationism or other eschatological views such as partial preterism or Pre Trib Millenialism without taking a hardline stance on issues which are nonessentials to the faith.

I know this is a late reply, but thanks!

I think I actually agree with this. I found the standard evangelical view of inerrancy too rigid, and the it seems that the purpose of the Bible is too point the reader to Christ. It's not meant to be an exhaustive text containing all answers pertaining to science, history and life issues.

Richard T · 2025-11-27T23:53:28-0600

Dreyma said:
Hello, my name is Dreyma! (Or at least, that is the alias I typically use online.)

I graduated from college last year with an education degree, and now I'm teaching English to high-school students at a small public school in a rural area. This is my first time working in a profession and my first time living away from parents, so it's been quite the adjustment.

I'm here because I spend too much time chatting in online communities that draw me away from Christ instead of towards him. I thought this might be a good substitute, a place that could strengthen my faith instead of making me feel ashamed or uncertain of it.

(I just need to make sure that I don't use conversations here as another excuse to procrastinate chores and lesson planning and grading...)

Welcome to CF and Congrats on entering the teaching profession. I pray you can focus on Christ and find His will for all the parts of your life.

Richard T · 2025-11-27T23:42:20-0600

It is true that dreams can be unrealiable, but there are some criteria that can help you determine which ones are from God or not. First, you are more apt to wake up abruptly. Nightmares do this as well though. If it is fearful or dreading the dream is not likely of God, and most likely it has demonic involvement. When you do wake up, and the meaning is not straightforward, ask God what it means. Any interpretation that does not follow the bible is not God. If the meaning remains a mystery, then simply shelve it. Perhaps one day it will make sense. I have had a couple of this things from God that did not make sense until decades later. Normal dreams come usually during a deeper sleep called "rapid eye movement." If you were only asleep briefly and wake up with a dream I think it is a greater chance also to be from God. Lots of dreams have no real spiritual meaning, many of which you do not even remember. If it is God, or the devil, they will try and put something on your heart. God can be very direct too, no interpretation needed such as the one below.

Matthew 2:12 (ESV)
12 And being warned in a dream not to return to Herod, they departed to their own country by another way.

Alot of dream interpreters use more traditional symbolic meanings. Like a snake means _______. or something similar to that. Non-Christians often do that too though and I personally avoid those type of interpretations. Instead, just ask God, mull it over and see if anything unfolds. Remember too that the Holy Spirit bears witness to true interpretation.

If one does see something that you dread to happen in the future, you may not have to embrace that evil. An example, would be if someone dreamed of a pandemic like Covid. You as an individual may not be able to pray and stop it, however, you can pray for your own personal proetection according to Psalms 91 or another promise of God. If you dream you are sick or have a personal mishap you can pray in advance against it using the word of God. This may also work for you praying for other friends or family.

I will say too that dreams are associated with faith. If you shut God out of dreams (or visions) then spiritually that part might not be very active to you. Read the word though, and if it has happened to others, why not you? Are there promises for this?

Acts 2:17 (ESV)
17 “‘And in the last days it shall be, God declares, that I will pour out my Spirit on all flesh, and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams;

throughfiierytrial · 2025-11-27T23:37:25-0600

9Rock9 said:
So, do you think the Bible is completely without error in everything it touches on?

I do believe the Bible is infallible, but idk if I would go to say that it is entirely without error on matters of history, details, etc. The point is to point people to Christ. It's not meant to be a collection of raw information to mine through.

I do think Scripture is God breathed, but unsure whether I lean towards verbal plenary inspiration or dynamic inspiration.

What about you?

I guess I consider it the pure infallible inspired Word of God. I say I guess because I turn only to the Scriptures as the final word on any topic as well as on any doctrine.

I am aware of the existence of some slight variations on the Gospel accounts of the resurrection and maybe elsewere. Nothing which causes doubt to my faith or doctrine. God works purposefully we know and the why as to these variations can really only be His good and perfect will. The Bible leaves out many dates which theologians and historians and even scientists use to their own advantage… goes back to then, faith.

Belk · 2025-11-27T23:21:25-0600

rjs330 said:
In a statement to ABC News' Boston affiliate WCVB, a spokesperson for Immigration and Customs Enforcement said Lopez Belloza had a removal order since 2015 and confirmed her removal.

This judge overstepped their authority. The judge is not an immigration judge.

Is it your claim that if the executive department disagrees with the legality of a judges order it can simply ignore it?

throughfiierytrial · 2025-11-27T23:20:56-0600

Pepperdoodle said:
Name one thing you are thankful for this year

Most thankful still for Gods gift of faith to me…and all believers! I consider it such a profound mystery that I was numbered with the believers before the world was born!

throughfiierytrial · 2025-11-27T23:15:00-0600

throughfiierytrial said:
I believe you must find yourself a church… God will lead and guide you.Seek one out.

Hebrews says, Do not give up meeting together as is the habit of some, but more and more as you see the day approaching.

Here is the quote… Hebrews 10:24-25:

24 And let us consider how we may spur one another on toward love and good deeds, 25 not giving up meeting together, as some are in the habit of doing, but encouraging one another—and all the more as you see the Day approaching.

RileyG · 2025-11-27T23:13:10-0600

DaisyDay said:
But Mussolini got the trains to run on time....

What? Wasn’t the county of Germany obsessed with efficiency and time management?

Moving on….

RileyG · 2025-11-27T23:08:30-0600

How sad but not surprising

RileyG · 2025-11-27T23:05:25-0600

bbbbbbb said:
The topic of discussion at the Jerusalem Council was the relationship between circumcision and Gentile believers. On that we are in complete agreement. If, in fact, God had replaced circumcision with baptism does it not seem at all odd that it was not even recorded??

Also, if baptism is salvific for Cristians was circumcision also salvific for Jews?

Yes. Yes, it was.

RileyG · 2025-11-27T23:04:59-0600

concretecamper said:
Lex orandi, lex credendi

Amen!

RileyG · 2025-11-27T23:04:31-0600

Bob Crowley said:
Somewhere in one of his Space Trilogy novels, CS Lewis dabbled with the idea of angels directing the "heavenly bodies".

At one point Professor Ransom, the central character in the trilogy, met an angel.

Ransom's character was based upon Lewis himself - an Oxford don specialising in literature who loved hiking, although he walked with a limp from "a sound Blighty" - World War I wound from an artillery shell.

He wrote that the physical surroundings seemed to revolve around the angel, and not vice versa.

Granted it is only fiction, but he used the idea.

I still need to read them! But my TBR list is endless!

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