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JPPT1974's Daily Devotions

JPPT1974's Thurs Thoughts 12/18/2025:
Like God made us and how we
Were on this earth to treat others with
Kindness, respect, and understanding for
Others whether they deserve it or not and
Using God's love and kindness to others
Doing the hard but right thing in the end.
Our bodies are indeed are temples and using them for
His glory and benefit to spread His word.
Kindness costs indeed nothing but sadly the
World never at all could understand that as
It is easy but sadly the world doesn't understand.
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Multi's Thoughts and More

I figured out what will happen in the rest of chapter 13, so I should be able to get it done soon! Also, I have an idea for at least one upcoming chapter (probably either 14 or 15) that will be cute and sweet. :) I just have to decide if there's anything else that should happen first.

I finished animating the parts where everyone goes outside and Taranza gets tangled in Christmas lights. Now I have one more frame to make of Kirby sledding, and then I'll just have to do the parts where Magolor, Taranza, and Susie build snow sculptures and Kirby accidentally throws snow all over Magolor. :laughing: After that, the characters will be done and I'll just have to make the backgrounds and put everything together! I'm excited to be getting close to finishing this animation!
That's great!:clap: Maybe you'll finish your animation by Christmas!:christmastree:
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Not a lot of respect for men

Thank you very much for your response and I thank you for your questions which are thought provoking and valid!

Regarding Paul, I don't take his instructions to be instructions in the way that you do, so we will differ about how much weight to apply scripture from his words, then to now, and the implications of either adhering to them or disregarding them.

My comment regarding not caring what scripture says should have really been along the lines of, "I don't care what scripture says in the way others interpret it," because there are many interpretations and many sources state that they are not sure what the true meaning of Paul's words are, given various theories, and then settled on 'most likely'. Please refer to my GotQuestions link above for confirmation of just one source that admits the indeterminate meaning around Paul's statement.
Thanks, I've read most if not all of the common arguments made in the Egalitarian/Complimentarian/Patriarchy debate - rarely do I encounter something new. And the infamous but decisive 'source' word topic hasn't even been discussed in-depth in this thread yet. But just because I've studied and weighed those 'modern' arguments with some confidence I can say these don't convince me - not because I'm simply clutching to tradition or don't like change, but because the classical Patriarchal view overall fits the big picture much better and make Torah, Yeshua, Paul and Peter and the history of the Church in those two thousands years align well ...

The very fact that only secular instigated feminism triggered the re-interpretation and development of alternative theories to 'explain away' Paul's and Peter's statements as time or culturally localised instructions makes it suspicious .. because the motive is not to get a more honest/better understanding of scripture, but to align our Bible interpretation with the pressures and wishes of modern secular society.
Given the above, 'most likely' can mean a lot of things including what we'd 'most likely' hope he meant, given how we have been taught, our family backgrounds, the society we currently live in, the society we wish we'd live in etc. So, I do appreciate there will be bias from all sides when trying to ascertain 'most likely'.

I am not alone in the view that Paul's comments/instructions were time/place specific (please refer to the majority on this post who agree that Paul was speaking in context specific to a time and place and not intended to generalize across millennia). But, I appreciate that could mean that many of us are wrong so welcome viewpoints on this, if you don't mind.
Absolutely - I'm pretty sure I'm wrong about many things; I just don't know which ones - prayerfully I read and contemplate. I avoid turning it into a battle field, what still easily happens as it is such an emotionally charged subject.
The apostles who knew Jesus, personally, I would not view in the same way. I don't actually disregard Paul's teachings, in their entirety, but he did not know Jesus, personally, so there is much more room for questioning what he says vs apostles who were taught by Jesus, directly. I would say that would be true, even for me, as I never met Jesus, personally, so we have interpretations on what He said/meant based on written text rather than direct word of mouth from the time He was on earth. I do my best in prayer, adhering to the bible insomuch as I understand it and the guidance of others but I would not compare this to direct instruction as the apostles received.

Further to this, Jesus was never vague or unclear in His instructions. Why is it that the apostles, and Paul in particular, cause so much confusion? If we removed Paul from the NT, and only went by what Jesus said directly, our instructions for life on earth and salvation would be much clearer and the bible would be much shorter.
Without Paul we would struggle to properly understand many aspects of Christianity; e.g. without Paul's letters we would not really know why Yeshua had to die on the cross (as that is not really addressed in the Gospels theologically). Paul's and Peter's instructions on the role of women in marriage and churches are not vague at all - they're quite clear, and that's precisely the reason why these instructions were not controversial or heavily debated in Christian history (until the 1960's) .. everyone knew with some confidence what it meant. It's just that since the 1960's modern society does not like those instructions because the underlying framework and view on the role of husband and wife is incompatible with modern Western (and certainly woke) thinking.

Connecting the dots between Torah, Yeshua, Paul and Peter .. and observing the theological and cross-cultural arguments made by these, the position that the instructions on this matter are just accidentally local to time and culture without wider universal implications feels artificially forced and unlikely.

Regarding 'chauvinism', I would not like to say that you are or aren't. The points you make can be viewed under that banner but that doesn't mean the word needs to be applied to your identity. Like you, I do think this word is thrown around a lot, misused etc.

I am taking from you, though, that your view is that society allows sin and tries to twist the words to make sin okay. I agree with you that this happens all the time and across nations. But, I don't think this applies to the point of my thread at all.

As I have stated before, if men are meant to lead because they are all the things women are not, according to Paul, then I need to see that men are truly all the things that women are not for this to stand. It cannot stand because it's simply not true. Therefore, it seems to make sense to me that Paul's words were aimed towards a specific audience for a specific reason and cannot be used as instruction for everyone, everywhere for all time.

Regarding seeking assistance via the pastor, that is a great suggestion, but they have already stated that Paul's comments were aimed to a specific audience so their view is already known to me and was made known to me during a sermon made after I made this post.
About 70-80% of churches in Western countries have moved from the Patriarchal to the Egalitarian view I estimate - your church would be one of those. In those churches speakers would have to generalise or skip entire sections of the NT, or transform any gender-specific instruction into a unisex one ... leaving the worldview and theological framework of the NT writers - and the underlying nuance is lost.

Maybe an interesting question would be: why is it the classical Patriarchal view - the headship of the husband in marriage, or the headship of God over Christ causes discomfort among many believers in Western nations these days? Causes the headship of Christ over man(kind) the same anxiety? Modern theologians might even say that view is wrong altogether universally, but then the problem presents itself how God could have endorsed/guided this view in the NT in the 1st century even in that local culture.

Be blessed .. !

PS: God is a God of order and everywhere in society authority structures are in place to let everything operate optimally. Governments have Presidents or Prime Ministers, companies have CEO's, schools have Principals, air planes have Captains, buses have drivers, armies have Generals ... We all recognise and accept the associated authority of these roles; and no one argues to abolish them because incidental abuse of that authority may occur. But somehow in marriage (a team of two) the Biblically prescribed authority structure is bad since the feminist wave? That should make us think ..
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Trump’s team sees Europe’s ‘erasure.’

No, it seems like you were correct.

But it's against the rules to copy and paste an entire article, so I could only offer a couple snippets as a sample for this discussion. I regret choosing those two snippets.

Read the article. There's a lot more involved.
I have never once referred to the article in my posts, I even copied the exact reasons for the fine in a quote here in the first post I made and several times pointed out they were there. There's nothing else behind this fine, except X not abiding by regulations in a market where they operate. It's just Elon crying that he can't do whatever he wants.
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JPPT1974's Daily Devotions

JPPT1974's Thurs Thoughts 12/18/2025:
Zeroing in on how a very long
Road over to Bethlehem through
Over in a very long journey and
Joseph carrying doing the very heavy
Lifting as it had to be such a
Very few hours for him to get up and
Initially sending Mary away over being pregnant but
God told him it was God's child and to marry Mary and
Bring her to the lowly manger and it shaped
Jesus where He would be God's one and only Son.
To serve in a humble and kind manner a life of service.
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A big advantage of fire

Put some fire in that life of your for some amazing outcomes!

*A man can be short, dumpy, and getting bald, but if he has fire, women will like him. -Mae West

E = mc2... Or divided... Mass (m) = Fire (E/c2)...

Natural E/c2 - All mass is basically cooled plasma
Mental E/c2 - Mentally, A mathematical formula, but this has chemical and spiritual properties as well.
Spiritual E/c2 - E (motivation, warmth, love) / c2 (faith, hope, charity, joy)

Dream of Jesus Counseling and Teaching

Thinking the aim is to let you know - He's waiting on you.

Wondering if this dream fits your current perspective of Jesus?

Seems - Wanting His teaching and counseling yet guarded.

We can become so busy and forget that nothing is more important than spending time with Him. He's waiting on us & already knows everything. Sometimes we compartmentalize Him - set limitations.

Suggest doing a study of some of God's names, titles, and attributions. You could use the online lists that includes Scripture so they could be checked out. Wouldnt rush this and would meditate (meaning focus) on each one for awhile.
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The Fall of the West (It's Happening Now)

Sure if they can forcibly overrun it.. Not the same as a quiet democratic takeover through numbers
Can you provide an example of a democracy having been so quietly taken over? Not overthrown suddenly, but over run with a slow creep? Do not use the UK right now, which is still a democracy, please name a place where what you are describing has actually already happened?
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JPPT's Faithful Thoughts and Devotions (3)

JPPT1974's Thurs Thoughts 12/18/2025:
Mary was a teen that
Really we don't know much
About other than being the
Wife of Joseph and in the
Virgin mom of Jesus and
Not knowing that she would
Really have a huge part in history
Over being the one and only woman giving
Birth while she was a virgin.
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Why we are not supposed to keep the Sabbath

How did I abuse:

Acts 5: 29 Then Peter and the other apostles answered and said, We ought to obey God rather than men. 30 The God of our fathers raised up Jesus, whom ye slew and hanged on a tree. 31 Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins. 32 And we are his witnesses of these things; and so is also the Holy Ghost, whom God hath given to them that obey him.

If you are going to make such serious accusations you should at least provide some evidence. Something I said that contradicts what is actually written in scripture. I don't think God is going to just take your word for it, and either should I. Show me where I twisted these or any scriptures so I can be corrected, isn't that the reason for the Holy Scriptures in the first place, at least according to Paul?

2 Tim. 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:



But Dan, I absolutely answered your accusation towards me by posting for you who Paul was Speaking about when he said;

9 What then? are we better than they? No, in no wise: for we have "before proved" both Jews and Gentiles, that they are all under sin;

I showed where Paul "before proved" that "They" (whose damnation is just), not "WE" (Church of God) as you assert, but they are all under sin.

Rom. 2: 7 To them who by patient continuance in well doing "seek for" glory and honour and immortality, eternal life: (Church of God, who Seeks God)

8 "But unto them" that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath, ( children of men, who doesn't Seek God)

9 Tribulation and anguish, upon "every soul of man" that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile;

But You didn't even address Paul's words at all, as I asked. Nor David's Words that Paul quoted that I asked you to review. You didn't even acknowledge them. And now you are accusing me of not answering your questions.

The Church of God are NOT the men that God, David, Paul and Jesus said refused to Seek Him. Someone has convinced "many" that there is no difference between David and Paul, and the Pharisees. But it wasn't Paul, or David or Jesus or the Holy Scriptures, in my view.

Abel was Righteous, Noah was Righteous, Abraham was righteous, Caleb was righteous, David was righteous. Here is what God teaches about Zacharias, not according some preacher I listened to, but according to the Actual Holy Scriptures. Shall I not believe them?

Luke 1: 5 There was in the days of Herod, the king of Judaea, a certain priest named Zacharias, of the course of Abia: and his wife was of the daughters of Aaron, and her name was Elisabeth. 6 And they were both "righteous before God", walking in all the commandments and ordinances of the Lord blameless.

So according to Peter's Words that I also posted, and were completely ignored, Zacharias should have been given by God, the Holy Spirit, Yes?

Luke 1: 67 And his father Zacharias was filled with the Holy Ghost, and prophesied, saying, 68 Blessed be the Lord God of Israel; for he hath visited and redeemed his people, 69 And hath raised up an horn of salvation for us in the house of his servant David; 70 As he spake by the mouth of his holy prophets, which have been since the world began:

Zacharias actually knew of and believed in the Messiah before HE was even born. While the children of men didn't believe Him when HE was healing people right in front to them.

But there are men that are trying to convince me that Abel's, Noah's, Abraham's, Caleb's, Daniel's, Shadrack's, Simeon's, Cornelius's and even Zacharias's, "mouth is an open sepulechre". That Paul was judging all these faithful obedient men, of never seeking God.

Consider the words of David that Paul quoted;

Ps. 9:9 The LORD also will be a refuge for the oppressed, a refuge in times of trouble. 10 And they that know thy name will put their trust in thee: for thou, LORD, hast not forsaken "them that seek thee".

But there are those who will not Seek the Lord.

Ps. 10: 4 The wicked, through the pride of his countenance, will "not seek after God": God is not in all his thoughts.

Ps. 27: 4 One thing have I desired of the LORD, that "will I seek after"; that I may dwell in the house of the LORD all the days of my life, to behold the beauty of the LORD, and to enquire in his temple.

Ps. 22: 26 The meek shall eat and be satisfied: they shall praise the LORD "that seek him": your heart shall live for ever.

Ps. 24: 3 Who shall ascend into the hill of the LORD? or who shall stand in his holy place? 4 He that hath clean hands, and a pure heart; who hath not lifted up his soul unto vanity, nor sworn deceitfully. 5 He shall receive the blessing from the LORD, and righteousness from the God of his salvation. 6 This is the generation of them "that seek him", "that seek thy face", O Jacob. Selah.

Ps. 27: 8 When thou saidst, Seek ye my face; my heart said unto thee, Thy face, LORD, "will I seek".

Ps. 34: 10 The young lions do lack, and suffer hunger: but they "that seek the LORD" shall not want any good thing. 11 Come, ye children, hearken unto me: I will teach you the fear of the LORD.

Ps. 63: 1 O God, thou art my God; early "will I seek thee": my soul thirsteth for thee, my flesh longeth for thee in a dry and thirsty land, where no water is;

I could go on and on and on. The teaching that Paul and David, who Paul quoted, is teaching that there is NO ONE that Seeks God, might hold water if a man rejects the entire rest of the Bible.

What I'm saying is that according to what is actually written in scriptures, when all of them are considered, there are "Children of men" who refuse to Seek Him. But there are also those men who believe what Jesus instructed us to do, "But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and "his righteousness"; and all these things shall be added unto you.

Paul and Peter and Zacharias, and David and Abraham and Noah and all the Faithful examples God gave us in the Scriptures that make up the Church of God, are not the target of Paul or David or God's teaching. Not because I said so, but because of all the Holy Inspired Words of God, that I posted for men's consideration, said so.

10 As it is written, Ps. 14: 1 The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good. 2 The LORD looked down from heaven upon the children of men, to see if there were any that did understand, and seek God. 3 They are all gone aside, they are all together become filthy: there is none that doeth good, no, not one. 4 Have all the workers of iniquity no knowledge? who eat up my people as they eat bread, and call not upon the LORD.

5 There were they in great fear: for "God is in" the generation of the righteous.




It was the teaching of the Post that I challenged, as I am instructed to do. It was nothing personal, except that it was your post.



God, His Son, the Jesus "of the Bible", James, Peter and Moses, all the Prophets and Paul all refute this religious philosophy when a man considers all of their teaching, in my view. I even posted Peter's own Words in the hope that men might consider them and become "renewed in the spirit of their mind" and consider Peter's teaching. Men are free to lash out at me, Jesus said it would be this way, and I really don't care. And God knows I don't like being corrected either in the moment, but have grown to be thankful for the correction, once I get control of my flesh. It's more important to me personally that men consider the Scriptures and maybe by discussing them we can grow in the knowledge of the Lord.



God Word seem to contradict this in my understanding. While every man has sinned, there are those who "repented", Turned to God", and brought forth "works worthy of repentance", as Paul teaches both Jew and Gentile. If men are interested in finding out who God said obeyed Him, I am happy to provide for them several people who God's Word Itself, Glorified to the point that everyone, who has ever had a Bible, knows that they were Faithful obedient servants to God. How many men who died in Sodom, do we know the names of? Not One, Yes? But we do know about Abraham whose SEED was blessed by God Himself, as God Said "Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws. Why would a person want to demean these most Faithful men by preaching to others that they, or their faithful obedience to God never existed, and in the process, accuse God of Lying about them?



I would really be interested in the source of this teaching, because I know that the Holy Scriptures, nor the God who inspired them, nor Moses and the Prophets HE sent, nor His Son Jesus, nor any of His Apostles ever said that God gave His People Laws, to show them they couldn't keep them, which means both HE lied to men when HE told them they could keep them, and yet God killed them by the thousands when they didn't keep them. I would advocate really "Taking heed" of a religious sect or business that promoted such a philosophy, given what is actually written in Scriptures.

We are all born into a world in which religious deceivers exist "that Profess to know God". Just as Eve was placed in the same world.

I advocate that men "come out of her" and follow the Christ "of the bible", and become a "Doer of His Sayings" and not a hearer only.

But it seems like a very controversial position to take, in this world God placed me in.
To abuse Gods Word, is to contradict what God has said. I already asked you, why you don't believe what Gods Word says in Romans 3:11 "There is none that seek after God".

Gods Word says "there is none that seek after God", but you reject it and contradict God, by claiming that you seek after Him everyday. So that's why I responded the way I did.

So, instead of giving a reason why you reject the truth that Gods Word clearly revealed, and list a bunch of unrelated verses which speak about Gods elect prophets. You seem to have forgotten the fact that none of those prophets were seeking after God,, until, God gave them the gift of repentance, and the gift of His grace, and the gift of faith, and the gift of His Holy Spirit and a long list of other gifts which are all necessary for salvation.

Abraham and Moses and everyone else you tried to misrepresent, were all saved in the exact way that I was. We were all born "dead in our sin", we were all born as slaves to Satan, we were all born hating God, and loving our sin. We were all born enemies of God, and His Word was foolishness to us and we would never believe any of it in a billion years.

So, now that we have established those few facts, we can conclude that none of us chose to repent and put our faith in the One we hate. So God had to do everything for us, we could do nothing for ourselves because we were dead and dead men can only stink and that's all.

But you're proposing that dead men can resurrect themselves and create their own faith and repentance, to cash in on the free offer of eternal paradise, instead of remaining on the path to the lake of fire., See you private opinions are not supported by any scriptures at all,, and you gave no viable defence for your unbiblical theology.

Please show me where the Bible says that dad men can resurrect themselves and create a new nature for themselves, where they are transformed from God hater to God lovers, and where they hate everything they loved before and love everything they hated before they resurrected themselves.

I'll save you time, by confirming that no such scriptures exist, someone has taught you man made religion, instead of what Gods Word actually teaches.
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Tim Walz Vows to Bring More Somalis to Minnesota, Despite Growing Fraud Scandal Reaching Into the Billions

And what of those who were members of the Minnesota government who knew about the fraud, covered for it, and benefited from it? Let's say people like Ilan Omar and Tim Waltz?
If there's evidence of wrongdoing, charge them and let the courts decide. If not, they're innocent until proven guilty, just like everyone else.

-- A2SG, supposedly.....
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Wake Up Dead Man

I just finished watching "Wake Up Dead Man", the third movie in the Knives Out series. It's a complicated murder mystery, which I won't spoil by discussing any plot details here. But what caught my attention most about the movie is that, in the character of Father Jud (a Catholic priest), we see one of the most accurate portrayals of the Christian faith at its best that I've ever seen on screen.

Most often, movies don't even address religion. If they do, it's often generically bland; or, worse, the religious dialogue is clumsy, and the religious characters are flat caricatures. Only rarely have I seen Christian characters portrayed with a faith that resembles my own and dialogue that sounds like Christians I know in real life. This is one of those rare movies. I recommend it, for that reason.

Also, it's a good murder mystery. :)
Thanks .. I was just considering watching it in two hours :) High IMDB rating also ...
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MS-13 Gang Member Kilmar Abrego Garcia to be Deported to African Country of Eswatini

You basically told the truth about Trump. I was happy you noticed the truth about Trump. I guess for some strange reasons, the truth = Sarcasm.
All I have to say is that you have been gaslighted by whatever media you choose to ingest. You will believe what you want to believe.

#Isupportthelatestthing
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Average consumer now carries $6,329 in credit card debt. 'People are stretched,' expert says

Your source started with the 1930s.

The 1930s was a decade.

1933, and 1934, are within the same decade;
Correct, and the fixtures represent the decade, not individual years
so your source is debunked right out of the gate.
Because you misinterpreted the figures?
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Chat thread - Egalitarian Christians edition

Well, I ended up in the part-time hospital chaplain, part-time cathedral role. It's very different to running a parish, but I'm gradually getting my head around it and settling in (and getting to know a new town, and all of that). I have very mixed feelings about the way it's all played out, but I'm grateful for the many good things in where we've ended up. It's definitely weird to me, to be two weeks out from Christmas, and basically have no responsibility to make all of that happen. All I have to do for Christmas services is preach once on Christmas morning! I might even have time to spend with my family...

This is not immediately just about being egalitarian, but I thought this was very interesting and has some overlap: S2 E05 • Graffiti in the Cathedral: Jacquiline Creswell and Alex Vellis - Exhibiting Faith
I hope you settle in well with your new role and town! Have a blessed Nativity season.
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