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Chicago principal claims teacher who made sick Charlie Kirk gesture is the victim

The application process has changed and human involvement is minimal. I posted a video about it yesterday. It’s the one on Harvard grads.

But again, what does that have to do with what I said?
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B flat B♭

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It could aid by not spending billions on keeping the lies of outer space alive and actually be used to help people.

Overseers require honesty from others not themselves. Remember who we’re addressing. Some lies are worth debunking for the greater good and others are a waste of time. NASA is the latter. We should direct our attention to the entities which cause the greatest harm or have the propensity to do so.

~bella
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Prayers

Thanks. She told me the disease is progressing but the last MRI didn’t indicate new lesions, which is good. I have muscle weakness and my right leg is weaker than my left, but she said I‘d only need a cane if I continue to fall. Overall I need to take better care of myself and she ran Vitamin D and B12 blood tests. I’ve been deficient in both before which one or both is common with MS. I’ll get those results back probably tomorrow. Thanks again for the prayers!
Continued prayers!
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AI understands the Sabbath and Col 2:16

Amen

I guess those who look to their computers for answers may accept an AI's answered before man's.

The Lord never changed the Seventh-Day Sabbath from the 7th today to the 1st.

And the Seventh Day Sabbath is of The Ten Commandments which were written by God's hand "remember the Sabbath and keep it holy."

When Jesus was asked which is the greatest Commandments he said the first: to love the Lord thy God with all your heart. And the first four Commandments is about loving the Lord.
Amen sister! My only comment of semantics is He wrote them with His finger Exo31:18 which is the Holy Spirit of Truth Mat12:28 Luke 11:20 and the Truth sets us free! Thank you Jesus! :heartpulse:
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Criminal Illegal Alien Who Offered $10,000 Bounties to Murder ICE Agents Arrested in Dallas, TX

And yet you did. You dismissed my experience as being a product of propaganda from "lamestream" media.
Again, I don't know what experience you're talking about.
I see. So what is my side? What do I believe. Do tell.
You side with the Left and the Trump haters obviously.
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So you don't recall my objections that you literally started your response with?
Which response of mine are you referring to?
I generally find it useful in demonstrating my specific issues with a response. This time it certainly has proved fruitless.
Can you link me to the post where your responses are?
Do you have evidence my news sources are simply propaganda?
Yes. Your post.
What is my understanding?
You feel intimidated.
Why do you dismiss my point of view and minimize it ?
Because it's absurd.
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Trump sends troops to the 'warzone' of Portland...

He's lying about that. The administration had to provide justification for doing so and the guard is there for very specific reasons. This is just more hystrionics and dishonesty from leftist politicians.
No, he doesn't. Nobody can stop him. He needs nobody's permission. So he needs no justification.
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The Reality of Free Will

Thanks Aaron.
Let me rephrase Jesus explained in a way that people could understand... at times. :smile:
Yes, Only if -------- (even the Apostle Peter, chosen messenger, chosen by God, did not understand any time UNLESS ) > '___________________________' hint: not by study, not by flesh, not from man, not by anything of nor in one's self........ (hoping now just to job some memory if possible, not trying to be difficult; albeit perhaps a test)

footnote: when the disciples left Jesus saying His Words were too difficult to accept (perhaps concerning eating flesh?) .... the other disciples, even not understanding yet, stayed with Jesus, trusting Jesus, and Jesus did explain then to them: "My Words are Spirit, and they are Life" .... which catholics and protestants still do not get, usually. (they have multitudes of books and teachings and dogmas and doctrines and practices taught daily that show they don't)
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Trump threatens: ‘If Hamas continues to kill people we’ll have no choice but to kill them’

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Neither Hamas nor Netanyahu are truly committed to resolving this conflict!

Hamas is currently under pressure from its Middle East financial donors, while Netanyahu's far-right political supporters are adamant that the conflict continue!

Both Hamas and Netanyahu can agree on one thing - neither are interested in a 2 state solution that would result in the unification of Gaza and the West Bank into 1 Palestinian nation, as envisioned by the United Nations in 1947!

Hamas and Netanyahu are also well aware that Trump has his own personal agenda as he attempts to impose his 20 point peace plan - the US President is prepared to utilize the strength of his office to enforce an uneasy peace that will last at least long enough for him to receive the Nobel Peace Prize!

Upon receiving that honor, Trump will lose all interest in his role as the world's self-appointed peacemake
r!
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The law, the commandments, and Christians.

It makes no difference to be the father of many nations or to have that one as your father, all in the kingdom of heaven are together, the others are thrust out.


Matthew 8:10 When Jesus heard it, he marvelled, and said to them that followed, Verily I say unto you, I have not found so great faith, no, not in Israel.
11 And I say unto you, That many shall come from the east and west, and shall sit down with Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, in the kingdom of heaven.
12 But the children of the kingdom shall be cast out into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

Well, the point was, you cannot be the father of many nations, because that promise was given to one person in scripture, which is Abraham.

Whether or not it matters to you individually is irrelevant.
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Trump's reputation will age like fine wine

Did you read the links? All of them were about the same thing which was being discussed.

Post #75


Your response in post #76 says:


Which I directly quoted before giving evidence that Trump did actually post it. All the links in my post #92 indicate that poor Donald actually did post this. Or were you merely disputing the last image of @eclipsenow posted?
I was only responding to the issue of a single image, which is why I cut out the rest of the post aside from that image. This was the one I was talking about:

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It was specifically regarding this image that was in eclipsenow's post that I was taking issue with in my response where I said it looked to me like it was fake and gave my reasons for that belief. Eclipsenow said it seemed I was correct and edited the post to remove that image.
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Church meeting with minister - can you help?

So, an update. Not sure if anyone ever updates, after seeking advice, but it seems like the right thing to do?

The meeting was ok? Weirdly, the 2 I met with seemed very, very nervous and kind of hinted that they thought I was there to verbally beat them up, or criticize them or something antagonist rather than seeking guidance, help and common ground as per the bible? I don't know if they regularly are confronted, harshly or inappropriately or what, but it was a very strange vibe!! Because of their demeanour, I was thrown off and the meeting didn't seem as productive as I imagined it would be but I guess time will tell.

They initially said they didn't want to be defensive, but admitted they were, because they do feel like they preach about sin. I explained they use the word but they aren't explicit about what sin is and how it pertains to modern life, why we should care to be saved from it and why we should care that Jesus died etc. They continued to defend their position but I think, eventually, they understood where I was coming from after they realized I was there in a caring way? I don't know 100%?

They also said that the UK churches don't like to preach in extremes so no 'hellfire and brimstone' and no 'we're all God's perfect angels' but seek to be somewhere in the middle? They also said they don't like to use the word 'hell' even though they all believe in it but, instead, prefer to use the word 'judgment'.

I didn't point out that the reluctance to talk about sin and hell was the whole reason I was there...I'm just not sure they were understanding, wanted to understand or were too nervous to do anything but react. Maybe God will talk to them and show them what I was trying to say so that they can reflect and I hope the same for me?

The conclusion was that they heard me, appreciated my courage for discussing it with them instead of just leaving and confirmed that our beliefs aligned. They want me to stay, believed that there was no reason for me to leave since our beliefs and goals aren't in opposition and prayed.

I don't know. It was all a bit odd!!!!

Anyway, thank you all for your assistance. I have prayed so much about this matter and will continue to do so........God bless.
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Are the Jews Israel, or is the church Israel? Or does it depend on the context of the passage?

I don't understand what difference it makes whether or not all Christians can be called children of Jacob, as they are called children of Abraham. After all, we are not talking about physical descent, whether from Abraham or from Jacob, unless we happen t be Jewish Christians.

Its simple actually. Let me spelt out the argument slowly.

Abraham was given many blessings: of land, of righteousness without works, of many nations, etc throughout scripture, for example in Genesis 12, Genesis 15, Genesis 17, and Genesis 22.

One particular blessing that he gotten, righteousness by faith alone (Genesis 15:6), was given specifically before God commanded him to physically circumcise himself in Genesis 17.

His sole child of promise, Isaac, cannot claim to have that since he was circumcised at birth, nor can Isaac's son Jacob as well.

That is why, if you read Galatians 3 carefully, we got the blessing of Abraham (singular) (Gal 3:14), because being in the Body of Christ, we are also the child of promise.

That singular blessing was the main one given before circumcision, so we gentiles in the Body of Christ can legitimately, in the eyes of God, be justified by faith alone without works (Romans 4:5).

But the other blessings of Abraham, that was repeated to Isaac, repeated to Jacob, are not for us to claim, the physical land promise etc. Israel as a nation was given many other promises by God because of the Law, because of the Old Covenant, and, in the future millennial reign, the New Covenant.

If you anyhow think you are also the seed of Jacob, then you will also think there is a physical land waiting for you to inherit on Earth as well, or that you will be also under the New Covenant which is scripturally incorrect (Hebrews 8:8 Romans 9:4)

Hope this presentation is clear why being Abraham's seed is not equivalent to being Jacob's seed, and why that distinction is important.
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