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BPPLEE · 2025-11-20T19:43:39-0600

Hans Blaster said:
C. proto-life arose from self-organizing chemicals.

Are chemicals still self organizing?

ThatRobGuy · 2025-11-20T19:38:11-0600

Since it's apparently acceptable to use funeral situations as a means for political posturing based on the invite list...

ThatRobGuy · 2025-11-20T19:08:58-0600

zippy2006 said:
As a libertarian do you think federal meddling is going to fix the economy for everyone? That there is some benevolent motive from the federal overlords that is bound to bring us into utopia?

The whole framing of the issue as, "How the federal government can create an economy that works for everyone," is remarkably naive.

I'm not that much of a "full blown libertarian" anymore...I was some years back

But that aside...

Yes, there are certain forms of competition in the markets that can lead to anti-competition (monopolies being the most obvious form of that) if left unchecked.

Economically speaking, there are certain imbalances and problems where the free market is too blunt an instrument to correct the issue in the timeframe it needs to be corrected.

If you want to see how things look completely unchecked, the country's business landscape would look pretty much like a series of these

Company store - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

...where the housing, store, and services were all provided the company you worked for, and you were paid in a special company currency that only worked for the services they offered, basically just funneling employee earnings right back to the company they work for.

I said it a few times in this thread, if you want to see a meaningful change in our economy in a way that works for more people, society needs to be less enamored with college degrees for the litany of jobs that currently require them, but don't actually need to.

RileyG · 2025-11-20T19:08:10-0600

comana said:
For Trump verbally attacked means the press asking him a question he doesn’t want to answer.

Well? There is room for improvement, but given his age, I doubt he will change. His personality can definitely be a turn off to some. I get it.

partinobodycular · 2025-11-20T19:05:51-0600

jonojim1337 said:
Can’t trust AI.

View attachment 373411

Congratulations, this is the most circuitous route to a point that I've ever seen. :bow:

NxNW · 2025-11-20T19:04:03-0600

BNR32FAN said:
I’m a young earth creationist and I don’t see any conclusive evidence to support evolution. Evidence in support of a particular theory or position doesn’t verify the validity of that theory or position if the evidence is inconclusive.

A theory is never proved conclusively.

partinobodycular · 2025-11-20T19:00:38-0600

Landon Caeli said:
What about AI that observes whether you yawn too much at work, or if your eyes appear tired too often? Would you be okay with that? Because that tech already exists, and is in use.

Why would I care?

pasifika · 2025-11-20T19:00:02-0600

Dan Perez said:
And we are not under the LAW but under Grace , Rom 6:14.

Do you have a verse !!

If you say we are , can. you EPLAIN how anyone can. be saved under the NEW COVENANT.

And you EXPLAIN HEB. 9:18. , PLEASE ??
dan p

Romans 3:25, James 2:26 etc

Hebrews 9:18, it's about the new way to God through the new covenant. this knowledge which was kept hidden since the time of the old covenant. Now we can know this mystery by the teachings of Jesus and the Apostles. Col 1:25,26

Belk · 2025-11-20T18:59:27-0600

Valletta said:
Insurrection and sedition are serious offenses, and we have come as close to those in the last year as any other time since the Civil War. For something that is well known to the public and has been done before, a lawsuit is the proper course for those who think it is un-Constitutional.

According to whom?

essentialsaltes · 2025-11-20T18:40:44-0600

Maybe they should stop lying about the citizens they shoot and/or arrest for protesting their actions.

Federal prosecutors drop charges against Marimar Martinez, woman shot by CBP agent in Chicago

In a statement on the decision to dismiss the charges, U.S. Attorney's office spokesman Joseph Fitzpatrick said in a statement that federal prosecutors are "constantly evaluating new facts and information relating to cases and investigations arising out of Operation Midway Blitz, the largest ever law enforcement surge in the Northern District of Illinois."

In a court filing, her attorneys pointed to body camera video they said shows the agent turned his wheel and caused the crash before he jumped out of the car and started shooting.

Meantime, federal prosecutors on Thursday also dismissed charges against 70-year-old U.S. Air Force veteran Dana Briggs, who was arrested in September during protests in Broadview.

He was initially charged with felony assaulting or resisting federal agents, but the charges were downgraded to a misdemeanor in October. All charges against him have now been dropped.

Dan Perez · 2025-11-20T18:38:59-0600

BelieveItOarKnot said:
John 3:5
Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
12 If I have told you earthly things, and ye believe not, how shall ye believe, if I tell you of heavenly things?

Every person is born through a WATER SAC i.e. born of WATER.

And 1 John 4:7 applies to every person as well.

Therefore, love ALL neighbors. We'll be spending eternity with them all

And 1 John 5:18 says that whosoever is BORN. of God does NOT. SIN. !!

And in 1. John 1:8 says If we say. that we have no SIN WE DECIVE. OURSELFS and the TRUTH is nor in us !!

What says you and their is and ANSWER. and will you believe it ?? I say NO. as you seem. to entrenched in. WATER !!

Good luck. !!

dan p

essentialsaltes · 2025-11-20T18:34:11-0600

essentialsaltes said:
Oh, those ICE witnesses...

Body-camera video appears to contradict the government’s claim that Marimar Martinez drove toward officers before one of them opened fire at her Saturday morning in Brighton Park, her attorney alleged.

DOJ dismisses charges against 2 people accused of ramming vehicle of federal agents conducting Chicago immigration sweeps

U.S District Judge Georgia Alexakis dismissed the charges against Marimar Martinez and Anthony Ruiz after the Department of Justice abruptly requested her to do so.

The decision by the DOJ to dismiss the charges against Martinez and Ruiz came a day after a federal judge in Chicago ordered the government to turn over to the defense additional text messages by the CBP agents involved in the incident.

Alexakis dismissed the charges without [sic] prejudice, meaning the case cannot be brought back. [CBS says it was with prejudice.]

An October DHS statement said CBP agents opened fire on Martinez in self-defense, alleging she was "armed with a semi-automatic weapon" [it was in her purse and legal] and was driving one of three vehicles that "cornered" and rammed the CBP agents' vehicles.

essentialsaltes · 2025-11-20T18:27:46-0600

essentialsaltes said:
Judge grills government over apparent lapses in Comey indictment
The case's prosecutor said the full grand jury didn't see the final indictment.

In reversal, DOJ says Comey indictment was reviewed by full grand jury

In a reversal from what the Department of Justice represented in court and in written filings Wednesday, federal prosecutors said Thursday that the full grand jury reviewed the indictment of former FBI Director James Comey.

Phil G · 2025-11-20T18:21:57-0600

Apple Sky said:
Oh, so we're all pagan now for knowing the earth is flat, well, I suppose it makes a change from being called retarded or stupid.

You don’t “know” the earth is flat. You’ve got no evidence, nothing, just an irrational belief that is refuted by the evidence all around us.

Brother Del · 2025-11-20T18:20:11-0600

WolfGate said:
He's actually right, but it's not the battle he thinks it is. The real battle is to prevent the church from being overrun with the heresy of placing political power and influence over the gospel. You can be both conservative and denounce the violent and dehumanizing rhetoric sweeping through Republican politics - and liberal Christians can do the same when it occurs from Democrats. Unfortunately, Christians are choosing to remain silent on that topic even while often repeating the most opposed-to-scripture talking points of their political idols.

The true Church, which is the actual body of Christ, the Israel of God, and the Temple made without hands, has no part in this conflict, our battles are not with flesh and blood.

The godless entity passing itself off as "the church" was overrun quite some time ago.

Jeesuspelastaa · 2025-11-20T18:15:31-0600

THE LAW IS FULFILLED
“Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law. For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.” Romans 13:8–10 (KJV).

And everyone who has come into the new covenant knows that this does not mean freedom to practice sin, because God’s will is in our new nature, in our hearts. “We have the mind of Christ.” 1 Cor. 2:16.

Carmenls · 2025-11-20T18:04:25-0600

Please ask God to heal my health issue and allow me to be comfortable. And if it is His will allow my son Jake to be healthy and happy and to heal him and give him joy. I ask in the name of Jesus. Thank you and God bless you. Carmen.

BobRyan · 2025-11-20T17:58:00-0600

JohnB445 said:
I had thought, I am reading so little why even bother right now.

is this the wrong kind of thinking? I have so much going on in life with work, right now it seems I don't have the time to do anything

Make more time for God.

Get out of bed earlier.
let TV/Internet entertainment time drop out in favor of reading the Word of God

lucypevensie · 2025-11-20T17:56:10-0600

Football field

fhansen · 2025-11-20T17:53:47-0600

Dan1988 said:
I have never read any of John Calvin's books, I'm too busy studying theology. In any case I'm sure Calvin, never claimed that God created some specific purpose of tormenting them in hell.

Um...Institutes of the Christian Religion is theology. What theology do you study-Jack Chick? Anyway, it appears you're again sure of what you don't know.

PloverWing · 2025-11-20T17:40:23-0600

Obviously, I need Grok to cite its sources. But assuming that the list is correct, or at least partly correct, I'm glad he has done some kind things for people along the way. It's a side of his personality that he keeps pretty well hidden these days, but it's encouraging to think that there have been some generous actions in his life.

FreeinChrist · 2025-11-20T17:36:06-0600

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GloryToHisName · 2025-11-20T17:33:52-0600

GloryToHisName said:
Daniel 9:27 — “The Week, the Half, and the One Week”

Many translations simplify Daniel 9:27 to “in the middle of the week.”
But the Hebrew text reads more intricately:

הַשָּׁבוּעַ חֲצִי הָאֶחָד שָׁבוּעַ
ha-shavua ḥetzi ha-eḥad shavua
Literal order: “the week, the half, and the one week.”

This layered structure suggests not just a single “half-week,” but a week and a half —
a full week plus the midpoint of another.

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Word-by-Word Breakdown

HebrewTransliterationMeaning

הַשָּׁבוּעַha-shavuathe week
חֲצִיḥetzithe half
הָאֶחָדha-eḥadthe one
שָׁבוּעַshavuaweek

Pattern: “the week → the half → the one week.”
That sequence naturally reads as “a week and a half (of one week).”

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Interpretive Sense

“He will cause the many of the covenant to prevail for the week and a half of the one week.”

This keeps every word of the Hebrew and shows a continuous covenant period —
a full week completed, then the half of another week where the covenant breaks
and the sacrifice and offering cease.

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Timeline

Week One → Half of Next Week → TakeAway Sacrifice Ends

This pattern fits the prophetic rhythm of Daniel’s vision —
not merely “half of one week,” but a week and a half in total,
bridging one com
plete period into the opening half of the next.

> My translation:
“Know and understand from the going forth of the word to build and restore Jerusalem for an anointed one and a ruler, seven sevens; 60 weeks, the second; and again it shall be returned and built.”

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1. “Know and understand from the going forth of the word to build and restore Jerusalem”

Hebrew: מִן־מֹצָא דָבָר לִבְנוֹת וְלְהָשִׁיב יְרוּשָׁלִם

Infinitives לִבְנוֹת (to build) and לְהָשִׁיב (to restore) are coordinated with וְ (and) to indicate purpose/result, not ongoing action.

Order: build first, restore second, reflecting structural construction followed by functional restoration.

Keeping these infinitives in one continuous sentence preserves the Hebrew sequence, avoiding fragmentation seen in many standard translations.

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2. “For an anointed one and a ruler, seven sevens”

Hebrew: לְנָגִיד וּמָשִׁיחַ שִׁבְעָה שִׁבְעִים

נָגִיד = ruler; מָשִׁיחַ = anointed one.

שִׁבְעָה שִׁבְעִים literally = “seven sevens” (7×7 = 49 years).

Singular forms for “seven” (שִׁבְעָה) are used multiplicatively, justifying 7-7s instead of 77. See Genesis 4:24 for parallel usage. This allows for wordplay: the total period from Cyrus to Artaxerxes can be seen as 77 years, while the 7×7 form highlights the 49-year interval actually taken for the rebuilding and restoration. The Hebrew construction permits both readings simultaneously, showing both the full historical span and the structural timing of the restoration.

Historically: anointed one = Cyrus, ruler = Artaxerxes, marking the period required for initial rebuilding and restoration.

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3. “Wordplay on 49 years and 77”

77 years = total from Cyrus to Artaxerxes; 49 years = 7×7, the time actually taken to build and restore.

This reflects a Hebrew literary technique where numbers convey historical and structural significance, not just sequential counting.

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4. “60 weeks, the second”

Hebrew: שִׁשִּׁים הַשֵּׁנִי

שִׁשִּׁים = 60 (cardinal), הַשֵּׁנִי = “the second” (ordinal).

Marks the 60th week in the second 70-week cycle, not the start of the second cycle.

Historical marker: Jerusalem returned and rebuilt under Israeli control in 1967. Counting backward identifies Suleiman (1542) as the ruler who restored the city’s walls.

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5. “And again it shall be returned and built”

Infinitive + imperfect וְשׁוּב יִבָּנֶה וְיָשֻׁב preserves purpose/result.

Refers to the second return/building (1967), aligning with historical Israel.

Full second 70-week cycle concludes in 2032, marking the Righteous Age under Christ’s rule.

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Integration with Daniel 9:24 (dual 70-week cycles):

In Daniel 9:24, the Hebrew חֻלַּק (chullaq) means “divided” or “portioned,” highlighting that the seventy weeks are split into two distinct 70-week cycles, each with its own purpose.

Seventy weeks are **divided out** for your people and your holy city:

Key grammatical points:

1. Infinitives form a single coordinated sequence, not separate sets.

2. Infinitives indicate purpose/result, not ongoing action.

3. Numerical wordplay (7-7s / 49 years) aligns with Hebrew usage.

4. Ordinal “second” marks the 60th week in the second 70-week cycle.

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Interpretive Summary:

Two sequential 70-week cycles:

1. First 70 weeks: Artaxerxes → rebuilding/restoration → Messiah.

2. Second 70 weeks: Suleiman restores walls (1542) → second return under Israeli control (1967) → full cycle concludes 2032 → Righteous Age.

Preserving Hebrew infinitives, numeric wordplay, and ordinal markers allows English readers to follow both the literary structure and historical/eschatological flow.

Lady Bug · 2025-11-20T17:28:08-0600

RileyG said:
God bless you.

I have no further comment.

I think things are dawning on me now that he didn't tell us (even my mom) whether he truly believed in the religion or not. He kept some secular aspects of it like hygiene and absolutely refused to eat pork whatsoever, but toward the end of his life he started opening up to me about how Mo wasn't the great guy that Muslims say he was, and that he wasn't a prophet or a role model, but that you can't say anything about this to anyone or else you can get killed. He never came out to me and said he's an apostate - I told him once or twice (I'm paraphrasing): "You know, if you believe in those things, that disqualifies you from being an actual Muslim, you would even qualify as an apostate." (the latter "apostate" part, I think I have actually said, though)

He would look right at me, not admit anything and stay silent for a few seconds. It really makes me wonder how much he didn't tell us. I think he was pretending this entire time while I was growing up that he believed in "the prophet" and I'm very skeptical now. He literally took this to the grave with him, let's put it that way.

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Federal prosecutors drop charges against Marimar Martinez, woman shot by CBP agent in Chicago

Body-camera video appears to contradict the government’s claim that Marimar Martinez drove toward officers before one of them opened fire at her Saturday morning in Brighton Park, her attorney alleged.

DOJ dismisses charges against 2 people accused of ramming vehicle of federal agents conducting Chicago immigration sweeps

Judge grills government over apparent lapses in Comey indictment

In reversal, DOJ says Comey indictment was reviewed by full grand jury