FaithT said:

Do you think this will become a thing again?

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I think it is a little bit more of a thing than it was, but I think it will be a slow thing. I see a lot of it in the Ordinariate. A little in my parish. And among younger women too.

Rapper and country artist Jelly Roll testified to God’s work in his life throughout his recent conversation on Joe Rogan’s podcast, which was released Wednesday, Dec. 10. At the end of the podcast, an emotional Jelly Roll learned that a dream of his has been fulfilled: He was invited to become a member of the Grand Ole Opry.

Editor’s note: This video contains language some might find offensive.

“I just never thought this was the journey, dude. I thought I’d die young or I thought I’d kill myself. I didn’t think I was going to be able to figure it out,” said Jelly Roll.

“You figured it out, and you’re figuring it out more every day,” Rogan told him.

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WordSword said:

I like what you said, but I'm not sure of what you mean here. Thanks!

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I was just thinking about Romans 8:1. It comes right after chapter 7's discusion of the conflicts inside a person who serves God with his mind but serves sin with the flesh (Ro 7:25 b) and it expounds upon the victory Christ gives us over the wretchedness we feel for being so close to sin (Ro 7:24-25a).

The point is that God corrects us whenever we go astray (Heb 12). His correction does not come with condemnation. Instead, It comes with love. And His correction is not pleasant, but painful. But it still does not come with condemnation. Yes, the sin is condemned, but the child is still loved. And the pain of His correction goes away and peace is restored when His correction has it's intended effect.

We all sin (even though a select few deny it). If a preacher does not preach the whole truth about sin including that those who are in Christ face no condemnation even while they are being corrected, then they are not preaching the whole gospel. They are just preaching against sin but don't help their flock understand how to deal with their sins. This makes for a legalistic congregation that I have no desire to be a part of (unless God gives me that mission). Been there, done that.

Stryper frontman Michael Sweetrecently informed fans that he has been diagnosed with papillary thyroid cancer.

“A lot of you have been asking about my health and well being so I wanted to give you an update,” Sweet said in a social media post on Tuesday (Dec. 9).

Sweet cofounded the iconic Christian metal band in 1983. The band has influenced many Christian rock bands and artists today, including Skillet frontman John Cooper. Throughout the band’s career, Stryper, a name inspired by Isaiah 53:5, has received a Grammy Award nomination and won two Dove Awards.

After thanking his social media followers for their “thoughts and prayers,” Sweet shared that his endocrinologist told him that a nodule in his right thyroid that was biopsied on Nov. 17 came back positive for cancer.

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An Ohio surgeon who had his medical license suspended has been indicted on federal charges after he allegedly tried to force crushed abortion drugs into his pregnant girlfriend’s mouth after she refused to abort her baby.

A Lucas County Grand Jury indicted Dr. Hassan-James Abbas, 32, on Dec. 3 for six felony charges, including abduction, tampering with evidence, disrupting public services, unlawful distribution of an abortion-inducing drug, identity fraud and deception to obtain a dangerous drug.

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Goonie said:

ICE issues deportation order for Belarusian woman extradited by FBI

Yana Leonova faces multiple charges including fraud and conspiracy for smuggling US aviation parts to Russia

www.theguardian.com

Seriously in order to make up the numbers ICE are claiming that people extradited to face trial in the USA are there illegally and must be deported .

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You can't deport the wrong kind of people from America until you renditionify them to America first.

9Rock9 said:

I think it's pretty clear from Scripture that the Church is now Israel, and inherits the blessings and promises of Israel through Christ.

That said, I also acknowledge that there are verses, especially in Romans, that seem to indicate that God isn't finished with ethnic Israel and will graft the back in. Idk exactly, what this will look like? Are they gonna get their land back, or is it just ethnic Jews deciding they are Christians, now?

I reject both dispensationalism (ie, the Church and ethnic Israel are two separate peoples of God, both with their own destiny and plan of salvation) and replacement theology (all the promises to ethnic Jews have ben transferred to the Church, and there is no longer a future for ethnic Israel.)

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Could it be that the nation of Israel was GODS elect under the law, the old covenant. That the church is the election according to grace, not law. We have two Israel’s , one of law and one of grace but the church is the Israel of GOD. Not all Israel is of Israel. The Gentiles were grafted in with the believing Israelites so that the church is composed of former Jews and Gentiles. The root of the olive tree church are the people before Moses and the law. The people listed in Hebrews 11 are the root of the olive tree. I know that most will not believe that GOD gave Abraham the new covenant that needed to be confirmed later by Jesus. So then Grace exited before the law, the church existed before the nation of Israel. The promises given to Abraham and his seed is the message of the gospel that was preached to Abraham who saw the day of Christ in a vision and was glad. We, the church, are the children of Abraham . So replacement theology is irrelevant because the church has always been GODS true Israel.

Valletta said:

“We are going to defend our neighbors,” Walz said at a Tuesday fundraiser, according to the Center Square. “Instead of demonizing our Somali community, we’re going to do more to welcome more in.”

Tim Walz Vows to Bring More Somalis to Minnesota, Despite Growing Fraud Scandal Reaching Into the Billions | The Gateway Pundit | by Mike LaChance

Minnesota Governor Tim Walz is vowing to bring more Somali immigrants to his state, despite the massive fraud scandal that has unfolded in the Minnesota Somali community on his watch.

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He always appears to know what is best for the rest of us.

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Another misleading article. Here is a more truthful version:

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The extensive Minnesota fraud scandal, centered on the Feeding Our Future non-profit and its partners, exploited federal child nutrition programs during the COVID-19 pandemic, leading to the theft of an estimated over $1 billion across multiple social service programs. The core of the scheme occurred from 2020 through 2021, bridging both the Trump and Biden administrations; state officials first spotted signs of fraud under the Trump administration in 2019, but the federal indictments and subsequent convictions of over 60 individuals have taken place under the Biden administration, with more charges and trials expected as the investigation continues. As Governor, Tim Walz and his administration are responsible for state oversight of the programs, and critics allege a failure to act on early warnings and slow action in halting the theft. Walz has publicly accepted responsibility for the failures in oversight, asserting his team caught the fraud and referred it to the FBI. While the vast majority of Minnesota's Somali community—estimated to be over 76,000 people—were not involved, the actions of dozens of charged individuals, some of whom are of Somali descent, are not representative of the community at large, and the fraud had nothing to do with the Somali people currently residing in Minnesota. This fact is in stark contrast to the disgusting act of conflating the criminal scheme with the entire community, with President Trump publicly attacking the state's Somali population and calling them "garbage" in connection with the scandal. The stolen money was used for luxury cars, high-end real estate, and international travel, rather than for the thousands of meals they falsely claimed to serve to children in need who were the intended beneficiaries of the program.

Texas Attorney General Ken Paxton has filed a lawsuit targeting a proposed Muslim-focused residential community in North Texas, accusing developers of an "illegal development scheme" that violated state securities laws.

The 21-page complaint, filed Dec. 5 in Collin County, names the East Plano Islamic Center (EPIC), its affiliate Community Capital Partners (CCP), and several leaders involved with the targeted development, once known as EPIC City and now called The Meadow. Spanning over 400 acres in Collin and Hunt counties, plans for The Meadow include over 1,000 homes, a K-12 faith-based school, a mosque, elderly and assisted living facilities, apartments, clinics, retail shops, a community college, and sports fields, envisioned as a supportive enclave for Muslim families.

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Justice Department defends Trump's post as it urges judge to reject Comey's effort to dismiss case​

I mean, I'm not sure what else we could expect DOJ to do.

Prosecutors defended President Donald Trump’s September social media post demanding that action be taken in the Comey investigation, contending it reflects “legitimate prosecutorial motive” and is no basis to dismiss the indictment accusing Comey of lying to Congress in 2020.

Are presidents prosecutors now? The number of firings at DOJ for people who don't do what Trump tells them to do suggests that experienced prosecutors don't see these cases the same way as the President.

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Not surprised at all.
If experienced prosecutors are anti-Trumpists, then... it makes total sense that they fleece the law wherever they can, to obstruct Trump's agenda.

They fleeced the laws since 2018, to manufacture reasons to go after Trump... so of course they'll fleece the laws TODAY to protect those who committed that lawfare against Trump.

Peace in Christ.

His people are to manifest the Son of man through their mortal bodies to the people of the outside world who are sitting in deep darkness.

We lift Him up from out of the earth when we keep His “daily” sacrifice in our mortal bodies….and this lifting up will draw all unto Him….a great multitude.

This is the “death” we are to die: to keep the dying of our Lord in our mortal bodies so that His life is made manifest in this earth thereby lifting Him up.

Joh 12:32-36 KJV
(32) And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me.
(33) This he said, signifying what death he should die.
(34) The people answered him, We have heard out of the law that Christ abideth for ever: and how sayest thou, The Son of man must be lifted up? who is this Son of man?
(35) Then Jesus said unto them, Yet a little while is the light with you. Walk while ye have the light, lest darkness come upon you: for he that walketh in darkness knoweth not whither he goeth.

We who believe in the light shining within our hearts when we hear His voice (as He opens up the Scripture of Truth to our hearing ears) are to become children of light that will shine His light to the people of the outside world who are in deep darkness. They will then see the light and come to it/us.

(36) While ye have light, believe in the light, that ye may be the children of light. These things spake Jesus, and departed, and did hide himself from them
(37) But though he had done so many miracles before them, yet they believed not on him:

We shall then become children of light in this world...and the nations shall come to His/our light. There will be a “great multitude” of them coming to Him. It will start small and will progress until it is seen openly in this world. It cannot stay unnoticed as the increase will be dramatic. They will see a "cloud" of eyewitnesses praising God...which will cause a panic among the unbelievers of this world.

This drawing/dragging of the believers of this world to Him are the “clouds” of heaven. Clouds of people = a great multitude. They are the clouds of eyewitnesses who will “see” Him through us who will reveal the Son of man to their seeing eyes. They will gather to Him/us. It starts small....a trickle...and then progresses into a flood of people that can't stay unnoticed.

Mat 24:30 KJV
(30) And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

He comes with the clouds….and every eye shall see Him. It will eventually become noticeable in this world as a "great multitude" will be gathered together to Him/us.

The unbelievers of this earth will eventually see this cumulative effect of the manifestation of His presence (through us) as the people of the outside world (those who see and believe among them) will gather with us in increasing numbers.

They will eventually become a great multitude…. “clouds” of people….the clouds of eyewitnesses …of His glory that we manifest to them. .

Rev 1:5-7 KJV
(5) And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood,
(6) And hath made us kings and priests unto God and his Father; to him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.
(7) Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen

The unbelievers of the world will then panic when they see the Son of man coming in a “cloud” ….a great multitude of believers among the people of the outside world.
There will be “distress of nations” with perplexity...as they breathe out in a state of quandary.... when they will see a great multitude of people praising God….where they had not before. They will see the kingdom of God coming upon the earth….His government that cannot be shaken as the temporary earthly kingdoms shake at the apprehension of what is happening.

Luk 21:25-27 KJV
(25) And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring;
(26) Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken.

"then" = at that time...they shall see the Son of man coming in a cloud of eyewitnesses with power and great glory (as their earthly kings shall even see Him and praise God and bring their glory to Him).

(27) And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory.

The sea and the waves roar….that is, the people of this earth make a loud noise in their rejoicing in Him and sing His praise.

Psa 98:4 KJV
(4) Make a joyful noise unto the LORD, all the earth: make a loud noise, and rejoice, and sing praise.

The sea roars and the fullness thereof….the believing people of the outside earth will praise Him. The "roar" shall be heard around the world...and cause panic.

Psa 98:7-9 KJV
(7) Let the sea roar, and the fulness thereof; the world, and they that dwell therein.
(8) Let the floods clap their hands: let the hills be joyful together

They will be joyful “before”….that is, to the FACES (plural) of the LORD. We manifest His “face” by reflecting Him with an “open face” to the people of the world.

(9) Before (to the FACES) the LORD; for he cometh to judge the earth: with righteousness shall he judge the world, and the people with equity.

The LORD makes known His salvation….OPENLY SHOWS it in the “sight” of the people of the outside world (the “heathen”). All the ends of the earth shall SEE the salvation of our God. The unbelievers of this world shall panic about what they see coming upon the earth.

Psa 98:2-3 KJV
(2) The LORD hath made known his salvation: his righteousness hath he openly shewed in the sight of the heathen.
(3) He hath remembered his mercy and his truth toward the house of Israel: all the ends of the earth have seen the salvation of our God.

We all with "open face" shall show forth His glory to the people of the outside world. Even their kings and lords (the "mountains and the hills" shall break forth in the FACES of us into singing. They will rejoice when they will look upon our face as we manifest His glory to them.

Isa 55:12-13 KJV
(12) For ye shall go out with joy, and be led forth with peace: the mountains and the hills shall break forth before (in the FACES) you into singing, and all the trees of the field shall clap their hands.
(13) Instead of the thorn shall come up the fir tree, and instead of the brier shall come up the myrtle tree: and it shall be to the LORD for a name, for an everlasting sign that shall not be cut off.

The "cloud" shall be seen by "every eye".

And with this “cloud” of people….the myriads of His saints…He comes to execute judgment upon all….

Jud 1:14-15 KJV
(14) And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands (MYRIADS) of his saints,
(15) To execute judgment upon all, and to convince all that are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have ungodly committed, and of all their hard speeches which ungodly sinners have spoken against him.

The unbelieving man-based churches will then be judged for all of their hard speeches that they had spoken against Him as they will not have believed Him when they heard His voice speaking to them the Word of Truth.

The unbelieving man-based churches will then see the sign of the prophet Jonah as the men of Nineveh (the people of the outside world) shall rise up in the judgment of them and condemn it. It will be a “cloud” of people that will see Him and believe. By then, it is too late for they will all be shut out from His presence.

Mat 12:39-41 KJV
(39) But he answered and said unto them, An evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given to it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas:
(40) For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.
(41) The men of Nineveh shall rise in judgment with this generation, and shall condemn it: because they repented at the preaching of Jonas; and, behold, a greater than Jonas is here.

If a man loves Jesus and keeps His words that he will hear (hearing and believing in the Word of Truth that He speaks to us), Jesus and His Father will come unto him and make their abode with Him.

Joh 14:23 KJV
(23) Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.

We are the light of the world…of the people who are sitting in deep darkness. We are the city that is set on a hill that cannot be hid.

Mat 5:14-16 KJV
(14) Ye are the light of the world. A city that is set on an hill cannot be hid.
(15) Neither do men light a candle, and put it under a bushel, but on a candlestick; and it giveth light unto all that are in the house.

We are to shine His light before men rather than hide it so that they may see our good works and glory our Father which is in heaven. It is not the good works that give us this light as the light comes from the glory of God and the Lamb. We get their attention with the light so that they may see our good works afterwards.

(16) Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven.

The “city” is lit by the glory of God and the Lamb. They make their abode with us. His glory appears over us…and the nations that are saved shall walk in the light of it.

Rev 21:22-26 KJV
(22) And I saw no temple therein: for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are the temple of it.
(23) And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof.

The kings of this earth will bring their glory and honor into it. They will come to us. The Son of man comes with the clouds of heaven with power and great glory as the glory and honor of the nations shall be brought into it. He shall beautify the place of His sanctuary (He makes His abode in us) by the kings of the earth bringing their glory and honor into it.

(24) And the nations of them which are saved shall walk in the light of it: and the kings of the earth do bring their glory and honour into it.
(25) And the gates of it shall not be shut at all by day: for there shall be no night there.
(26) And they shall bring the glory and honour of the nations into it.

He will make the place of His feet glorious. He will beautify the place of His sanctuary…of His abode…as the glory and honor of the earth shall be brought to Him/us. We are the "city of the LORD."

Isa 60:13-14 KJV
(13) The glory of Lebanon shall come unto thee, the fir tree, the pine tree, and the box together, to beautify the place of my sanctuary; and I will make the place of my feet glorious.

The sons of the man-based churches (those that will have afflicted us and despised us) shall come bending unto us....calling us the "city of the LORD."

(14) The sons also of them that afflicted thee shall come bending unto thee; and all they that despised thee shall bow themselves down at the soles of thy feet; and they shall call thee, The city of the LORD, The Zion of the Holy One of Israel.

rjs330 said:

I watched a video today involving a contractor who said he loves the crackdown. He said illegals are starting to not go to work because of them. Which means he is able to do more work. He LOVES it. His fellow smaller contractors are really appreciating the fact that their businesses are in more demand. They are able to better provide for their families. Its something weve been saying. These illegals are taking American jobs.

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I'd be curious to know where this contractor lives, because where I live (and as far as I'm aware, this is true across most of the country), there is no shortage of work for good contractors. Have you ever known anybody to comment on the abundance of good contractors from which to choose ? I haven't. Quite the opposite. The experience often involves poor communication, shoddy workmanship, or both.

The good contractors don't have to advertise because they can live off of word of mouth and relationships with bigger contractors. Unless you just live in a poor area where nobody has any money, IME, it's only the bad ones and the ones just starting out who want for lack of work.

Hentenza said:

Trying to interpret Heb. 4 reading your pet doctrine into it will lead you to the wrong conclusion.

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Saying things like this doesn't help prove anything..

Hentenza said:

Actually that is not the case. The chapter begins with “therefore” so you have to read chapter 3 to understand what the conclusion that prompted the therefore is.

“Take care, brothers and sisters, that there will not be in any one of you an evil, unbelieving heart that falls away from the living God. But encourage one another every day, as long as it is still called “today,” so that none of you will be hardened by the deceitfulness of sin. For we have become partakers of Christ if we keep the beginning of our commitment firm until the end, while it is said, “Today if you hear His voice, Do not harden your hearts, as when they provoked Me.” For who provoked Him when they had heard? Indeed, did not all those who came out of Egypt led by Moses? And with whom was He angry for forty years? Was it not with those who sinned, whose dead bodies fell in the wilderness? And to whom did He swear that they would not enter His rest, but to those who were disobedient? And so we see that they were not able to enter because of unbelief.”
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This portion of chapter three refers to the dangers of unbelief and disobedience. Those that did not entered the promise land either by dying in the wilderness for unbelief or by being disobedient did not enter His rest.

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Unbelief here is the obstinate stiff-necked type. The sinning comes from the evil heart of unbelief. And the more one sins the more this evil hearted obstinate condition grows. It isn't that they did not believe in God. The issue was they did not believe God because of their rebellious nature.

Hentenza said:

“Therefore, we must fear if, while a promise remains of entering His rest, any one of you may seem to have come short of it.”
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Hebrews 4:1 Therefore, we must fear if, while a promise remains of entering His rest, any one of you may seem to have come short of it. | New American Standard Bible - NASB (NASB2020) | Download The Bible App Now

Therefore, we must fear if, while a promise remains of entering His rest, any one of you may seem to have come short of it.

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Talking to the Hebrew converts about the believer’s rest not about the sabbath rest.

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Yes. I don't think anyone has said different in respect to that verse.

Hentenza said:

“For indeed we have had good news preached to us, just as they also did; but the word they heard did not benefit them, because they were not united with those who listened with faith.”
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For indeed we have had good news preached to us, just as they also did; but the word they heard did not benefit them, because they were not united with those who listened with faith.

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The good news was preached to the Hebrew converts but it did not benefit them because they are not united with those who listen with faith.

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No, that is not what the verse is saying. The Good News here that did not benefit them is in respect to The Good news preached to those who were being spoken of in chapter three who were hindered from entering into the promised land. The writer of Hebrews is saying they in his time have had Good News preached to them as those who were in Moses time did. But those in Moses' time did not heed because of their evil heart of unbelief. They did not believe what God said. They did not have faith in God therefore their carcasses fell in the desert because of their sin.

Hentenza said:

“For we who have believed enter that rest, just as He has said, “As I swore in My anger, They certainly shall not enter My rest,” although His works were finished from the foundation of the world.”
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What is that rest?

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Yes, the rest we have in Christ Jesus being His House. If we hold fast in confidence we will remain His house as He succours (helps) us when we are tempted. We just need to listen to His voice as we hear it. This is the Gospel. Part of it anyway.

Heb 2:18 For in that he himself hath suffered being tempted, he is able to succour (helps) them that are tempted.

Heb 3:6 But Christ as a son over his own house; whose house are we, if we hold fast the confidence and the rejoicing of the hope firm unto the end.
Heb 3:7 Wherefore (as the Holy Ghost saith, To day if ye will hear his voice,

Hentenza said:

“For He has said somewhere concerning the seventh day: “And God rested on the seventh day from all His works”; and again in this passage, “They certainly shall not enter My rest.””
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Hebrews 4:4-5 For He has said somewhere concerning the seventh day: “AND GOD RESTED ON THE SEVENTH DAY FROM ALL HIS WORKS”; and again in this passage, “THEY CERTAINLY SHALL NOT ENTER MY REST.” | New American Standard Bible - NASB (NASB2020) | Downloa

For He has said somewhere concerning the seventh day: “AND GOD RESTED ON THE SEVENTH DAY FROM ALL HIS WORKS”; and again in this passage, “THEY CERTAINLY SHALL NOT ENTER MY REST.”

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Look at the contrast. The writer clearly refers to the sabbath rest in the first part of the verse and then states that they are not going to enter such rest. Why would that be if any Jews could observe the sabbath? The temple was not destroyed yet so they could just go to the temple on the seventh day. No one is going to enter the believers rest unless they have accepted the gospel of good news and has faith.

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Bad translation, the word if needs to be in the text as it is in the verse three below. Go to your Greek to English Interlinear you will see yourself.
Heb 4:3 For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world.
Heb 4:4 For he spake in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works.


The Rest here in verse 3 is that of the Good News, the rest we have in Christ Jesus being His house. There He helps us when we are tempted if we listen to His voice. The works for this rest were finished from the foundation of the world is what these verses are saying. This is brought out even more in verse 4 where he starts the verse with the word "for" which adds a reason to that which was previously stated. There it states that when God spake in that certain place Mt Sinia, that He said that He rested from all His works. That would include resting from the works for the rest which is the Good news of Christ Jesus. Verse 5 continues in that it says, "in this again".

In this again what? This brings us back to verse 4 where it says, He speaks of the Seventh Day, if we shall enter into the Rest which we have in Christ Jesus being His house listening to His voice.

Heb 4:5 And in this again, If they shall enter into my rest.

Why does he say that? Let's continue and we shall see.

Hentenza said:

“Therefore, since it remains for some to enter it, and those who previously had good news preached to them failed to enter because of disobedience,”
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This verse goes back to those that did not enter into the promise land depicted at the end of chapter three. They rejected the good news because if their disobedience and lack of faith as the previous verse teaches. See the use of the word “therefore” again?

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No, this is present tense for the writer. Those in the time of Moses had their time. This text is being said in context to verse 5 where it says IF they shall enter into His rest which is the Good News He speaks again of the Seventh Day when God did rest from all His works. The clause from verse, “Therefore, since it remains for some to enter" is being spoken in the present tense. And the clause. "and those who previously had good news preached to them failed to enter because of disobedience" is basically being spoken in the past tense. He is making a contrast to those of his time not entering into the rest which is the Good News due to disobedience, as in the time of Moses and Joshua.

Hentenza said:

“He again sets a certain day, “Today,” saying through David after so long a time just as has been said before, “Today if you hear His voice, Do not harden your hearts.” For if Joshua had given them rest, He would not have spoken of another day after that.”

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Hebrews 4:7-8 He again sets a certain day, “Today,” saying through David after so long a time just as has been said before, “TODAY IF YOU HEAR HIS VOICE, DO NOT HARDEN YOUR HEARTS.” For if Joshua had given them res | New American Standard Bible - NAS

He again sets a certain day, “Today,” saying through David after so long a time just as has been said before, “TODAY IF YOU HEAR HIS VOICE, DO NOT HARDEN YOUR HEARTS.” For if Joshua had given them res

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So a new day is set, today. There is urgency in accepting the gospel of good news and not continuing on the law....

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Yes Heb3;7 and 8 is a call to accept the Good News. Not on a certain day, but today. As the text says, Joshua did not give them this Rest when He led Israel into the promised Land.

Every day God wants us to hear His voice, Christ Jesus. Succoring us, helping us when we our tempted. These verses are basically being repeated from chapter three where the writer first quoted the Psalm. There in verse 7 he spoke in the present tense in context to verse 6. There it is also a call to repentence. Called to hold fast our confidence in His voice firm unto the end. Have not that evil heart of unbelief, not trusting God.

Heb 3:6 But Christ as a son over his own house; whose house are we, if we hold fast the confidence and the rejoicing of the hope firm unto the end.
Heb 3:7 Wherefore (as the Holy Ghost saith, To day if ye will hear his voice,
Heb 3:8 Harden not your hearts, as in the provocation, in the day of temptation in the wilderness:

Hentenza said:

“Consequently, there remains a Sabbath rest for the people of God. For the one who has entered His rest has himself also rested from his works, as God did from His.”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭4‬:‭9‬-‭10‬ ‭NASB2020‬‬

Hebrews 4:9-10 Consequently, there remains a Sabbath rest for the people of God. For the one who has entered His rest has himself also rested from his works, as God did from His. | New American Standard Bible - NASB (NASB2020) | Download The Bible Ap

Consequently, there remains a Sabbath rest for the people of God. For the one who has entered His rest has himself also rested from his works, as God did from His.

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The mention of the sabbath rest here is a shadow of the actual sabbath rest as evidenced by the previous verses. Joshua entered the promise land with the law at hand but did not provided them rest. Then those that do enter His rest, the believers rest, has rested from his works which here is the works of the law. Look at the sentence construction here. The fist part of the verse mentions a sabbath rest left but the second part of the post only mentions His rest which is consistent with the chapter so far talking about a believers rest.

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No, verses 4:9 and 10 pick up where verses 4 and 5 left off. Verse 5 starts the call to repent and enter into God's rest heeding His voice through Christ and rest from our evil heart of unbelief.

We say that because verse 5 says if they shall enter into His rest. Because the writer sees as we do that some must enter therein. So today if we hear His voice let's not harden our hearts as in the day of provocation, but hold fast our confidence firm unto the end.

Verse 5 says as was said before, In this again, IF they shall enter into my rest.

What again?

To keep in context to verse 4, as was said we must conclude, The Again is the speaking of the Seventh Day. Two things being spoken of here. A speaking of the Seventh Day AGAIN with a condition. We know this by the word if. I’m other words, if we shall enter Rest in Christ Jesus He speaks again of the Seventh Day.

In context to that He says there remains therefore a Sabbath Keeping for the people of God. For the one who has entered into His Rest. The Good News of being His House, whose House we are if we hold fast our confidence firm unto the end heeding His voice, His helping us when we are tempted in sin. He ALSO, IN ADDITION TO ENTERING INTO THIS REST. He also ceases from His own works AS, JUST LIKE God did from His on the Seventh Day.

Two things not one. NO WAY AROUND THAT. The Rest which is the Good News and, ALSO the ceasing from our own works, AS, just like God did FROM HIS on the Seventh Day. The verse says as, which means just like God did from His SO UNLESS you or anyone else is going to say God had an evil heart of unbelief and needed to enter into His Rest, the good news in Christ Jesus and heed His own voice. The ceasing from our own works as God did from His must be that in which was spoken in that certain place, Mt Sinia. And that ceasing from our OWN WORKS was the physical works of our hands that we do. NOT SPIRITUAL. Because God rested from His physical work of Creation. And because He did, He hallowed the Seventh Day and sanctified it. So, He speaks again of the Seventh Day and the keeping of the Sabbath if we enter into His rest, Good News, Christ Jesus. And how does He speak it it. He calls for us to keep it as He did cease from our own work.



Heb 4:4 For he spake in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works.
Heb 4:5 And in this place again, If they shall enter into my rest.

Heb 4:9 There remains, therefore, Sabbathkeeping for the people of God.
Heb 4:10 For the one who has entered into His rest, he also has ceased from his works, just as God did from His own works.


It is a Sabbath keeping not Sabbath rest in verse 4:9. There is a difference. If you keep the Sabbath you are resting on the Seventh Day. And the Seventh Day is the Premise of the context as verses 4:4 and 5 put forth. Because that is what He spoke of on that certain place, Mt Sinia.

In almost all Lexicons the first citation after the word in question is the definition. What follows that typically is how it is seen figuratively as seen in Strong's and ABSMLG where it is stated. Or how it is interpreted or being used in a translation or in the mind of the author as seen in the other lexicons cited below.


Thayer's citation: Original: σαββατισμός
- Transliteration: Sabbatismos
- Phonetic: sab-bat-is-mos'
- Definition:
1. a keeping sabbath
2. the blessed rest from toils and troubles looked for in the age to come by the true worshippers of God and true Christians
- Origin: from a derivative of G4521
- TDNT entry: 07:35,0
- Part(s) of speech: Noun Masculine

Strong's citation: From a derivative of G4521; a sabbatism a sabbatism that is (figuratively) the repose of Christianity (as a type of heaven): - rest.

Webster's definition of sabbatism
-ˌtizəm
noun
plural -s
the strict observance of the sabbath

LSJ's citation: Σαββᾰτ-ισμός , ὁ , a keeping of days of rest, Ep. Hebr. 4.9 , cf. Plu. 2.166a (codd., βαπτισμούς Bentley).

ABSMGL's citation:
G4520
*† σαββατισμός, -οῦ, ὁ
(< σαββατίζω, to keep the sabbath, Exo 16:30, al.),
a keeping sabbath, a sabbath rest: metaph., as in Mishna (Zorell, s.v.), Heb 4:9.†

Hentenza said:

“Therefore let’s make every effort to enter that rest, so that no one will fall by following the same example of disobedience.”

‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭4‬:‭11‬ ‭NASB2020‬‬

Hebrews 4:11 Therefore let’s make every effort to enter that rest, so that no one will fall by following the same example of disobedience. | New American Standard Bible - NASB (NASB2020) | Download The Bible App Now

Therefore let’s make every effort to enter that rest, so that no one will fall by following the same example of disobedience.

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Notice here that it is THAT rest not the sabbath rest that we are to enter. The rest that we have to enter is the believers rest that we enter by faith. It even exhorts us to be careful not to follow the example of those listed at the bottom of chapter three that did not enter the promise land because of their lack of faith and disobedience.

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RIght, the writer continues in respect to the rest which is the Good news that we are His house, if hold fast our confidence firm unto the end heeding His voice, so we do not follow after the same example of disobedience through unbelief, not trusting His voice, His help when we are tempted.

This is basically what @SabbathBlessings @BobRyan and @Freth have been saying to everyone in part, I think. But I don't and won't argue that with you. If they think different that is fine.

Oompa Loompa said:

We get it. You think that Kirk's wife and children do not deserve peace and dignity because of Charlie's views.

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If this is how you read between the lines, you might want visit the optometrist. If I'd wanted to say that they don't deserve peace, I would have.

Actually, I'll put a finer point on it - I think they all deserve peace and to be spared from harassment. The Springfield Haitians, unfortunately, didn't get that. Not because of Charlie's views, but partly because of his actions. He made his wealth (and thus, Erika's, too) by peddling fear, lies, and outrage. As far as I'm aware, his widow has done nothing to disavow that part of his business - certainly nothing on the TPUSA website (that she now runs) gives that impression. But why would she? That's what paid for her mansion(s).

Again, I don't think she ought to be harassed like this, but if that's the life she chooses to lead...

mindlight said:

But the USA is not a African Banana Republic - is it?

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Of course not, the USA has not bananas, nor is it in Africa. (Banana republics are in Central America and fruit companies no longer control any nations.

Hello.

My name is Kevin.

I am a very lazy person.

When it comes to not working, I am a professional.

I would like to become more diligent and hardworking.

Could you please pray for the death of my sloth?

Thank You

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Hail Mary,
Full of Grace,
The Lord is with thee.
Blessed art thou among women,
and blessed is the fruit
of thy womb, Jesus.
Holy Mary,
Mother of God,
pray for us sinners now,
and at the hour of our death.
Amen

Our Lady of Good Health

wikipedia.org/wiki/Our_Lady_of_Good_Health

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Lord, have mercy!

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Homily, Saturday, December 13 2025



Sirach 48:1-4, 9-11

“How awesome are you, Elijah! Whose glory is equal to yours?”



Elijah was a friend of God; he received Him from within.



Matthew 17:10-13

“Also will the Son of Man suffer at their hands.”



Let’s learn how to recognize the beauty of God in a person.



Biblical texts: NAB-RE

Normand Thomas.

God is really big. Unfathomably big. God is everywhere, being all-knowing along with that. The universe is more limited, observable and all of it beyond that. How can God have concern for you and anything smaller? God, the Creator, isn’t limited even to any scales. But you would need to talk with God, for having a relationship with God. God has the love, without limit, and provides for that relationship being available to us who would respond to God. I do what I see to do according to what God's will is, which we can do, and trust God as I know I can, in doing this to walk with God.

I hope you have that same energy for Ted Cruz.


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ladodgers6 said:

Thanks for sharing with you. I like having discussions with civil manners. Yeah, people IMHO have their own prerogative & aptitude to seek what they wish. I am a novice astrologer whose always in awe when witnessing the wonders of space. Just witnessing M31, Saturn, Jupiter all point to a Divine Maker. Physics or natural laws all also point to a designer. I am now studying Quantum Physics & Micro Biology: Human Cells (Mitosis).

All that being said, doesn't reveal what God has accomplished in His Son for His people. The historical record of the eschatological consummation of God's Redemptive Plan is what I am interested in. That to me is more awe taking that anything else I have read. I am only sharing with you.

Thanks again for sharing.​

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You're welcome. Thank you for also sharing your thoughts on these matters in turn. I appreciate your brotherly composure.

wing2000 said:

Reuters reports the administration has a list of sanctioned oil tankers that could be interdicted in the coming days. Oil tanker operators are starting to suspend previously scheduled voyages from Venezuela.

The new U.S. tactic focuses on the activities of what is called the shadow fleet of tankers that transports sanctioned oil to China, the largest buyer of crude from Venezuela and Iran. A single vessel will often make separate runs on behalf of Iran, Venezuela and Russia, the sources added.

https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/us-preparing-seize-more-tankers-off-venezuelas-coast-after-first-ship-taken-2025-12-11/?utm_source=Sailthru&utm_medium=Newsletter&utm_campaign=Daily-Briefing&utm_term=121225&lctg=62347fe4ea3e6439186f0ea6

One other note: The U.S. Coast Guard, with Navy resources, led the interdiction. I suppose blowing up a loaded oil tanker was a bridge too far.

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No the tanker grab was a professional operation. Blowing up the narco boats was just a side show Trump put on for his Christian supporters.