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  • CF has always been a site that welcomes people from different backgrounds and beliefs to participate in discussion and even debate. That is the nature of its ministry. In view of recent events emotions are running very high. We need to remind people of some basic principles in debating on this site. We need to be civil when we express differences in opinion. No personal attacks. Avoid you, your statements. Don't characterize an entire political party with comparisons to Fascism or Communism or other extreme movements that committed atrocities. CF is not the place for broad brush or blanket statements about groups and political parties. Put the broad brushes and blankets away when you come to CF, better yet, put them in the incinerator. Debate had no place for them. We need to remember that people that commit acts of violence represent themselves or a small extreme faction.

The Mamdani Model: More Socialist Mayors to ComeBeware! The DSA will attempt to repeat Mamdani’s success in other Democrat strongholds.

"Phobias" are also just a derogatory label people use to slander those making a valid argument against something.
No. Phobias are real mental diseases or conditions.

"Islamophobia" therefore isn't a thing.
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Church is boring

I haven’t been going to church in a while. I feel like it’s boring. I find myself daydreaming and the sermons are good, but I really don’t like to sing or stand up. I like just saying prayers and even though the sermons are good, I don’t feel like going. I’m not really getting anything out of the Bible study, either, which is online. When I do go to church, I do tithe.
Am I falling away or is this not the right church for me? The people are nice.
I think it's because with most churches we are receiving men's word over God's word. I just don't see the point in personal sermons written by men. I want my church to strictly stick to teaching God's Word.

Fellowship is fine with like minded believers but I guess it depends on the reason you want to go.
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Pentagon investigating Sen. Mark Kelly over 'refuse illegal orders' video

What would be the rationale for conducting war with Venezuela that is covered by any current Congressional resolution?
And if it's not, why shouldn't Congresspeople call that an illegal operation?
Who says it's "war" with Venezuela? All we're doing is eliminating drug trafficking activity coming from there.
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Two National Guardsmen Shot and Killed in DC

That this is quite a tragedy but not really surprising in our gun country where we tend a mass shooting a day year after year. How did he get a gun is my question.
Unfortunately, it’s not that difficult to obtain guns nowadays. Sigh.
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So far, at least nine (now ~40) (now ~160) judges, including Trump appointees, have called a halt to Trump executive actions

Thousands of immigrants could be eligible for bond hearings, striking down DHS policy: Judge

A federal judge has struck down a Department of Homeland Security policy implemented in July that forced most immigrants who entered the United States without inspection to remain in detention throughout their removal proceedings.

The decision could potentially allow thousands of immigrants who have been subject to mandatory detention to be released.

On Tuesday, Judge Sunshine Suzanne Sykes in California certified a class granting relief to migrants who “have entered or will enter the United States without inspection” and those who were not initially detained when they came into the country.

[Class actions can still trigger nationwide effects.]
Another judge over reaching.
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Judge dismisses James Comey and Letitia James cases, finding prosecutor's appointment invalid

If judges are allowed to pick and choose federal DA's, then judges are overstepping their roles as judges. The DA must be selected by the Presidents and then approved by the Senate.
If you are trying to insinuate that the law is unconstitutional, this doesn't actually help you in your claims that the judge was wrong. Because if the law that they tried to use to install Halligan is ruled unconstitutional, then... obviously, they couldn't install Halligan that way (a reasonably straightforward reading of the law also says they can't install Halligan, but the point is if the law is unconstitutional to begin with, then they definitely can't install her under it, because it's unconstitutional).

Even if your assertion is that not the whole law is unconstitutional, merely the specific part of the law that allows for the district court to choose the interim attorney after the 120-day period has expired, that still doesn't help Halligan because the result of that would simply mean that once we're past that 120-day period, which we are, the position stays empty until the Senate confirms someone. Since Halligan has not been confirmed by the Senate (has she even been nominated?), she's therefore not appointed to the position.

Thus under the interpretation you appear to be advancing, Halligan's appointment is still invalid.
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Obama care collapsing.....

If he didn't bring inflation down, then he didn't reduce costs. If he did bring inflation down from what it otherwise would've been, I think it's fair to say that he reduced costs.
We'll see what happens if he brings it below Bidens last rates if you are genuine or not. Democrats sure didn't seem thar way before. Remember egg prices? Now that inflation is lower I don't see people saying he brought the cost of eggs down. In March Democrats were still complaining how he hasn't brought prices down when the rate was 2.5%. So pardon me it'll I'm skeptical.
I can't get the idea?
No you can't.
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"Don't Give up the Ship"

Many current and former former military men and women have figured out what these disgraceful six were trying to do and have called them out. Not my problem if you can’t figure it out.

I'm former military and I think it is bunk. You seem unable to articulate the reasoning of why I should find it to be "undermining the Commander in Chief". If you can't even explain the reasoning you have no case.
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High School Principal Accused Of Plotting Anti-ICE Terrorist Attack


There's been a lot of violence by like-minded people, and judges need to start giving long prison sentences out as a deterrent to others.
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What happens if someone dies before they became a believer, is it their fault?

You say: “whatever will we have is His doing”, so how is that not something programmed into us?
You see this life as a thing in and of itself. It is not. It is all God's doing.

Not that God can't see how we do, but I doubt that to him it makes any real difference whether he began something and let it progress, or whether he is actively, meticulously, seeing it through. Either way, the only thing that is real is so because he has established its reality. If we choose, we do because he established us, our choosing and our choice. It is real only because God is real. Where is any absolute spontaneity in that? Where is the little first cause? I see this the way I see the notion of "chance". You can call it "chance" and consider it real in your calculations, but in fact, "chance" is only a stand-in for, "I don't know". Your will is yours, and is real, and draws from God having created, one way or the other. So it is with "spontaneity". We can't calculate how "it" (whatever seems spontaneous) happens. It is not programming, but it is effected by myriad antecedent causes. We always choose what we most want at the instant of choice.
I am a believer in a “Block Universe”, but that does not eliminate the individual making autonomous free will choices.
No, of course it doesn't logically of itself deny autonomous free will choices. But it does give a point of view from which to consider the work of God.
From God’s perspective everything happened at once, He is outside of time, but we are in time (time God most likely created).

The question is what “set” the free will choice an individual made? Scientist do not believe in a god making the choices, since that is outside their realm of reasons, so it is the individual themselves make the choices.
Time is indeed a creation of God, as is very "reality", else he is not omnipotent, but subject to facts he did not cause.
Verses supporting free will
Remember that we need to establish, if possible, before claiming some verse passage promotes/supports "free will", just what free will is, and, if possible, what is implied by it. I know many Calvinists who would accept the dictionary definition that I think you would accept, yet they don't mean by it what you do. You and I both say, "real choice", but you think that means autonomy apart from GOD—"limited free will". I wonder what 'limited free will' can even MEAN! You and I both believe "responsible choice", but I think that is because of God's standard, and says nothing to our ability.
Gen. 1-3 Did Adam and Eve have free will?
No, and not even before they sinned. Nor did Lucifer.
Exodus 35:29 “All the Israelite men and women who were willing brought to the Lord freewill offerings for all the work the Lord through Moses had commanded them to do.” Are these truly free will offerings?
That's a misuse of the verse. Maybe it wasn't you I've already discussed that with. It means voluntary, not commanded. Look up some other versions and the Hebrew Interlinear.
Jonah 3: 10 “When God saw what they did and how they turned from their evil ways, he relented and did not bring on them the destruction he had threatened.” Did the people of Nineveh change what God said he would do?

How is this not saying that God’s actions are contingent on the choices of the people?
Who planned that 'contingency'? Who established their choice? Are you implying he didn't know which route he would go before they did?
"You search the Scriptures because you think that in them you have eternal life; and it is they that bear witness about me, yet you refuse to come to me that you may have life." (John 5:39-40). Note that Jesus does not say, "you cannot come", which the Greek does not say here, but, "you refuse to come", in order that you may have eternal life. It was their own rejection of Jesus and the Gospel, that would damn their souls, and not because they were "unable" to make the "choice" themselves.
Sure, I can demonstrate this principle many times, to include Jezebel being given ample opportunity to repent, but she would not. (Rev 2:21) That doesn't imply that she could have. As you have seen throughout your life and from science and from past history, there is only one thing that ever happens: Whatever happens. "Could have" is our speculation. "We don't know". "Should have" demonstrates their responsibility—but "should have" does not imply "could have".
Christ is God here on earth. The “whomsoever” does not mean only the elect, but lots of people, who then made the choice to accept or reject Christ. "You search the Scriptures because you think that in them you have eternal life; and it is they that bear witness about me, yet you refuse to come to me that you may have life." (John 5:39-40)
Sounds kinda like the Jezebel thing. They do indeed refuse. I have not said differently. They are responsible for that choice. But WHY did they refuse? "Nobody knows" doesn't mean their choices are not a result of antecedent causes.
To say: “Christ only reveals Himself to those who God have chosen to accept Him”, means God is guilty of not helping others to accept Christ.
Hardly. First, it is you who places the judgement of "GUILTY" on the matter as if it was a bad thing for him to do. He has every right, and, he has every reason. Second, as your use of "whomsoever" ("whosoever", no?), just who is that that chooses him?

By the way, I haven't done an exhaustive study of everywhere the KJV or other versions use the term, "whosoever" or "whatsoever" etc, but in John 3:16 the Greek doesn't imply that just anybody random will believe in him, nor even that it is an act of the will. Look at the Greek Interlinear.
John 15: 22 If I had not come and spoken to them, they would not be guilty of sin; but now they have no excuse for their sin.

If they have no free will, they have an excellent excuse for sinning?
Taking this verse in or even out of context, even, I see no logic in claiming it for "free will". How does the one thing imply the other in my arrangement? Did they not choose to sin? That's all it takes for them to be guilty of it.
There are all the “whosoever” verses making it contingent.
You'll have to list them. I dealt with John 3:16.
If God is only saving some and not all for some unknowable reason, while saving all is just as easy for God to do, then a God that does not save all has less Love than a God who saves all.
The reason some are not "saved" is because they are unwilling.
Again, as before. If God knew this was the scenario before creating, but created anyway, he INTENDED what his creating produced.
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Independents....

Well, sure. I'm certainly biased towards political extremes. I don't like far left or far right positions.

For the most part, I'm the same. One of my biggest issues with partisan politicians is that they relentlessly follow an ideology, even if their ideological solutions aren't the best fit for the current situation. Or, they will dismiss a solution out of hand because it doesn't fit their ideology. Facts are selectively chosen or just plain fabricated. Making decisions in that manner will usually get you into trouble, and I think our government provides a perfect example of that.

When religion gets blended into politics, ideology becomes even more of a driving force. From my observation, this really tends to put the blinders on people. They no longer support their solution because it is the best / most viable solution, but because it is the more "righteous" solution. It becomes difficult to reason with people or have a meaningful conversation with them when they are in that state of mind.
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Healing and debate. My testimony

CF has shrunk quite a bit since 2002, when I first joined. That is mainly due to the advent of social media sites like Facebook and others. I remember there being so many people posting that you could barely keep up with the new material being added to single threads. I wish it were like that again... but then I think people have changed somewhat in their posting content and method. I guess the practices of social media have crept into CF, and that is not good.
Do you know if Soldier of Light has left CF ? Also do you understand John 3:13 Acts2:34
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Suspect in DC Ambush of 2 National Guardsmen Is Afghan National Who Entered US During Biden Admin

Go about our lives like we have been after every other shooting in this country?

Only thing that makes this one special is the soldiers targeted who were needlessly put there by the current administration.
The Trump administration is trying to save as many victims as possible by arresting criminals. There is a great need for that.
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Texas A&M fires lecturer, administrators over classroom gender discussion caught on video

My point is that gender identity is a made up "science" and for a society, we shouldn't even have to engage in such nonsense (including wasting money on teachers to talk about it in college).
It is a part of humanity. Whether it is embraced or forbidden, it is not new and historically, cultures around the world have dealt with it.

College students pay for and study what they feel is interesting and important. This is capitalism, not a moral issue.
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Stepping from Fog into Sunlight: What is your "Holy Ground" moment?

I have issues with anxiety, and borderline panic attacks. One thing that I've found works for me extremely well is reciting the Jesus prayer, "Lord Jesus Son of God, have mercy on me a sinner." Most of the time when i do this, I get this sense that I am not alone and my anxiety disappears and is replaced with a sense of bold confidence. I sense the Spirit carrying me, and know that what He wills, He makes provisions for.

I resonate with this a lot. I was diagnosed with an anxiety disorder over 15 years ago. Many, many years ago I took up the practice of praying the Jesus Prayer after reading about The Way of the Pilgrim. I have frequently sought refuge in that Prayer more times than I can count when anxiety rises. To remind myself--for in the panic it is easy to forget--that I am in Jesus' hands and He has my back. I rise and fall by the mercy of the Lord.
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Imitatio Christi - is the following Biblical?

A man who needs to have a side hustle in order to keep his needs met (food, water, lodging, travel) isn't someone who is living high off the hog. St. Paul had a trade/craft skill that he could use to meet his bare necessities. I don't know about the East, but in the West there is a long tradition of monastics engaged in a trade (e.g. beer brewing or wine making) for the purpose of meeting certain basic material needs for the community, and raising funds for certain purposes.

It seems common sense to me to think that Paul was probably living, generally speaking, low on the dime. I can't imagine any of the Apostles living in reasonable comfort, their poverty would have been part of the Cross to which they were called to carry. Christ told them that they would have it rough, but to be courageous in Him who has overcome the world.
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