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Morality without Absolute Morality

You didn't answer the question. Why are you so dishonest? Here it is again:
I told you why the question makes no sense. It's a tautology. I won't explain that again.

While you think on that, check out the above post. It seems that while I think that sexual intercourse without consent is wrong (because of that circumstance), others disagree (and they aren't 'godless nihilists' either). I guess morality comes down to who you ask. Do you know what the term for that is?
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God Has Been My Help!

“My soul will be satisfied as with fat and rich food,
and my mouth will praise you with joyful lips,
when I remember you upon my bed,
and meditate on you in the watches of the night;
for you have been my help,
and in the shadow of your wings I will sing for joy.
My soul clings to you;
your right hand upholds me.” (Psalm 63:5-8 ESV)

Life is not always easy. Sometimes it is very hard. We go through trials and tribulations to test our faith. We face serious challenges. Sometimes we have to make what may appear to be life and death decisions. We come up against opposition and people who dislike us or who disapprove of us because of our walks of faith in obedience to the Lord, and because we teach the truth of the Scriptures and not the lies which are so popular. And so it is comforting to know that our Lord is with us through every step of the way.

Now, when I say “us,” I am speaking of those who are of genuine faith in the Lord Jesus Christ through dying with Christ to sin and being raised with Christ to walk in newness of life in him, no longer to live as slaves to sin, but as slaves to God and to his righteousness (See Romans 6:1-23). We are not perfect people yet, because we are still clay in the hands of the Potter (God) being made into the likeness of character of Jesus Christ. But we are those for whom sin is no longer our practice, but obedience to God’s commands is our practice (see Luke 9:23-26).

No matter what we are going through, or what life challenges we are being faced with day by day, we can confidently rest in our Lord, knowing that he has all things under his command, and that he will work it all out according to his plan, as long as we rest in him and we cooperate with his plan for our lives, by his grace, and in his power. We do not have to fear what other humans are doing, or how that might impact us, as long as our trust is in the Lord and we are relying on his strength and wisdom to make it through.

“But those who seek to destroy my life
shall go down into the depths of the earth;
they shall be given over to the power of the sword;
they shall be a portion for jackals.
But the king shall rejoice in God;
all who swear by him shall exult,
for the mouths of liars will be stopped.” (Psalm 63:9-11 ESV)

All throughout human history there have been people who have strongly opposed God and his servants and messengers, and such is it now, too. Especially in our present day and age, those who are of genuine obedient faith in the Lord Jesus, who are following the Lord with their lives in surrender to the will of God, are on “the chopping block,” i.e. they are in danger of being removed and eliminated from the fellowship and approval of a large majority of people who profess faith in Jesus Christ, pastors included.

Why? Because a cheaper version of “the gospel” has taken over and is leading what seems to be the majority of those professing faith in Jesus Christ to follow after the lies and to reject the truth of the gospel. For they are being told that all they have to do is to make a profession of faith in Jesus Christ and now all their sins are forgiven and heaven is secured them for eternity, but regardless of how they live. Not many these days are teaching God’s requirements for death to sin and obedience to our Lord.

So, if you are a follower of Christ who is teaching the biblical gospel in an era where the majority seem to all be accepting the lies of the enemy as truth, don’t be surprised if you lose friends and if other professing Christians turn against you and/or are hateful toward you, and/or if they just exclude you and ignore you. Keep sharing the truth that faith in Jesus, which is persuaded of God, requires that we deny self, die to sin daily, and walk in obedience to our Lord’s commands, in practice, or not have life in Christ.

[Matthew 7:13-14,21-23; Luke 9:23-26; John 10:27-30; Acts 26:18; Romans 1:18-32; Romans 2:5-10; Romans 3:23; Romans 6:1-23; Romans 8:1-14; 1 Corinthians 10:1-22; Galatians 5:16-24; Ephesians 2:8-10; Ephesians 4:17-32; Ephesians 5:3-6; Titus 2:11-14; Hebrews 3:1-19; Hebrews 4:1-13; Hebrews 10:19-39; Hebrews 12:1-2; 1 Peter 2:24; 1 John 1:1-10; 1 John 2:3-6; 1 John 3:4-10; Revelation 2:1-29; Revelation 3:1-22]

What the Lord Says

Based off Isaiah 43:1-44:5
An Original Work / February 24, 2014
Christ’s Free Servant, Sue J Love


This is what the Lord says to you:
Fear not, for I have chosen you.
I have summoned you by your name.
You are mine. I died, you to save.

When you go through your trials, so deep,
I will be with you; you will not sink.
You are so precious always to me.
Trust in your Lord, Savior and King.

This is what the Lord says to you:
He who gave salvation to you;
Who delivered you from your sin;
Takes your burdens now upon Him:

Forget the former things of your life.
Give of your heart not now up to strife.
See all the new things I have for you.
Walk in vict’ry. Trust in what’s true.

This is what the Lord says to you:
He who made you; who will help you:
Do not fear what humans may do.
Walk in freedom. Follow what’s true.

Drink of my Spirit given for you.
Trust in my mercy, for I love you.
I have a plan for all of your life.
Follow my ways. Do what is right.

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God Has Been My Help
An Original Work / October 7, 2025
Christ’s Free Servant, Sue J Love

The Brokenness of Christianity

I think we might make strides if we actually came to the table and sorted stuff out. Instead, people are quite happy sitting in their denominational echo chamber and everyone says the same thing, "we have scripture right, everyone else is wrong". Personally, I think every single denomination is wrong to some extent but we are only getting more fragmented because people are uncomfortable with admitting they're wrong on something. I mean, 45,000 denominations?! No wonder the bible talks about the church diverting from the truth before the trib starts.
It is said among Jews: if you put 10 Jews in a room to discuss an issue, there will be 15 different opinions. This, of course, is a joke, indicating that Jews have generally accepted the fact that everyone has their own opinion about things, having different perspectives. It doesn't make any of them right or wrong.

And even if Christians accept the same attitudes about themselves, it doesn't mean we have to say that someone else's opinion is right, just to try to position ourselves in unity. One of the problems with separating into different denominations has to do with the pride or fear of people not willing to say, "I could be wrong about my opinion." Many times when people have conflicts of opinion, they fear that if they are wrong, then maybe they're wrong also about what they believe, and if they're wrong with that, then they might be going to hell. This kind of fear is included in "the fear of death" in Heb. 2:15. It's a very complex fear that only faith in Christ can deliver from, since it has many factors involved.

Since most Christians, and even Christian leaders, are "sheep," with limited knowledge, the tendency to cultism is a real danger. This is why many of us talk about "majoring on the majors and minoring on the minors," and try to come up with "essential doctrines" of the faith. Just because some respected leader says something provocative to get people to think, doesn't mean we have to accept it as absolute truth. The problem is that most people are like sponges of knowledge - once they hear something, it becomes tradition, and to hell with anyone who disagrees.
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Is an Apology Necessary?

Honestly, its a complex question.

It can range from a very simple scenario such as - I hold the door open for someone with an armful of grocery bags. The person trips over their own feet and falls flat on their face anyway. I can be sorry in sympathy they fell, but I did nothing wrong to apologize for.

But other long term scenarios are more complex. In any event, only God knows the future. We humans are never going to foresee all possible ways something can work out for good or bad.
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Can we talk about ADHD... and such ?

If there is no significant risk, could they not just be suggested as lifestyle choices?
Chamomile is a sedative, and the maximum recommended amount is 2-3 cups per day. While it is so mild that you’re likely to fall asleep before you drink enough to be harmful, it can interact with other sedatives, like sleeping pills and alcohol. It also can interact with stimulants like caffeine and cause chaos in your system.

Someone who is suffering from trauma and/or ADHD will likely not feel the sedation effect of chamomile at a normal safe dosage. That’s because traumatic reactions and being in constant fear/anger reaction mode burns a ton of energy, so shutting those reactions down with chamomile actually gives you more energy available for use. That’s part of how I can survive an a 8 hour workday without being exhausted and moving in slow motion by the second hour, staring blankly off into space while my brain is off in Traumaland.

But, I’m a 32 year old woman, and I’m an adult. I can make my own choices and choose not to suffer when the remedy to my problem costs less than a dollar a packet at Walmart. A lot of this is ADHD thing is systemic oppression of young boys which I don’t agree with. I’d have some serious qualms about giving a healthy boy this tea just to make him more docile and compliant. Giving him lion’s mane before a test could foster dependency on it. He needs to learn how to succeed on his own.

And I’m not going to fool myself either. Drinking the tea is self-medication, a compensation for the fact that I am in an unhealthy environment with bad people every single day. I have to respond to them every day on a tightrope. I have drank less of it as time goes on, probably because I rely more on my lion’s mane vitamin water. When I started I was drinking 2 16oz cups per day of the chamomile tea, and now I don’t even drink it everyday. But when a fight comes up, stressful and frustrating situation, yep, back to pouring water into my teakettle.

It’s better than what Mark Manson did, who medicated his ADHD and trauma with alcohol. That I obviously don’t recommend at all. It’s better than yelling and screaming or becoming functionally disabled for days. But I know when I move out of here that I will try to get myself to stop drinking it. I’m very much anti-drug. You need to know what you’re putting into your body.
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Government Taking Stakes in Private Companies - Veering Toward Fascism Through Corporatocracy

Trilogy Metals shares soar over 200% after U.S. takes stake in minerals explorer

  • Shares of Canadian minerals explorer Trilogy Metals skyrocketed on Tuesday.
  • It comes shortly after the Trump administration announced a $35.6 million investment to support mining exploration in Alaska.
  • The investment makes the U.S. government a 10% shareholder in the company.
Make Canadian Companies great again!
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Has Kirk's Death Prompted You?

I think in the same way today we are witnesses. Just as the generations after Paul who did not witness Christ but witness Him in others that witnessed Christ. It was just as real as Christs spirit was real. We give testimony of a real event that happened a round 2000 years ago that Christ came to save the world from sin and death and offer the life we have been looking for.
Paul also used prophecy to prove that Jesus was the Messiah. In Acts 28:23, it says that Paul used the "Law and the Prophets" to convince people that Jesus was the Christ. We can also do this. We use the Law to show the knowledge of sin and that the unbeliever needs a saviour, but then we can also use the prophecies in the Bible to prove that Jesus was who He said He was.
Here is an example of what I say to people to prove that the bible is not just a made-up story and that Jesus was the Messiah.
"If I wrote 300 predictions of future events and all came true with perfect accuracy, you’d know something supernatural was at work in me. That’s exactly what we see in the Bible. The Old Testament contains over 300 predictions that were fulfilled in the life of Jesus Christ. That He was born in Bethlehem, He would enter Jerusalem on a donkey, He was betrayed for 30 pieces of silver, He had nail-pierced hands and that He would take on the sins of the world. And that is only 5 of the 300 prophecies. No other book, not even the Quran, has this prophetic accuracy."
From here, most people will not disagree, but they say that they will have to investigate the Bible more.
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Does reality pass the Turing test?

Having been an epistemological solipsist for over fifty years I've often wondered about how to tell whether the world around me is physically real or a simulation. The laws of physics seem to support the possibility of a simulation, but can't definitively answer the question, so I've been left to look for another means of determining whether I'm living in a simulation.

To that end I often wondered whether a character in a video game such as 'Grand Theft Auto' would be able to tell, simply by the behavior of the characters around it, that the world in which it was living wasn't 'real'. Would the fact that the characters seemed to act irrationally be a tip off to the possibility that it was living in a simulation? Or would it simply accept the simulation as real no matter how irrationally the characters in it behaved, or what the background story was.

I ask this because more and more the world seems to be behaving more like a poorly written video game than a naturally evolving physical reality. For instance, Donald Trump seems to be such a stereotypical narcissistic villain that it's hard to believe that he wasn't purposefully created just for this role, and his popularity, in spite of his obvious character flaws seems to defy reason.

So the question is, does reality pass the Turing test? Does it act like a freely evolving natural world, or does it act more like an purposely designed simulation?
A simulation of what?
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Border Patrol calls for help, Chicago PD does not respond

It seems strange that the city didn’t know about the pending raid since the property is in a foreclosure lawsuit & unsecured.


You mean it wasn’t just a nice, residential apartment where ICE harassed law abiding citizens?
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Are infants guilty because of Adam's sin?

Spiritual life and death are not figurative, they are reality, but they are physically unseen.
Paul thought he was spiritually alive until he came to the realization (bar mitzvah, conversion) that he stood guilty before the law ("I died") and was condemned to death.
You seem to contradict yourself here. You say that spiritual life is reality, but then you say "Paul thought he was spiritually alive" - this is how you are interpreting 7:9 - "Paul thought..." is not literally alive. Therefore, your interpretation of the text "I was alive" is not literal.
That is precisely what Ro 5:17 states, ". . .by the trespass of one man, death reigned through that one man,"

as does Ro 5:18-19 - "the result of one trespass was condemnation for all men. . .through the disobedience of one man, the many were made sinners."

That is precisely what Ro 5:12-14 demonstrates. . .in
that they all died between Adam and Moses when there was no law to transgress/sin against to cause their death,
that their death was caused by the imputation of Adam's sin (Ro 5:17), and
which was the pattern (Ro 5:14) for the imputation of Christ's righteousness.
Again, my previous response completely refutes your idea here, but you continue to assert the same idea. I think I'm done with this conversation.
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Why not judas

but woe to that man by whom the Son of man is betrayed! It would have been better for that man if he had not been born
Ah yes, and the church leaders. Not only the Sanhedrin but the governmental church leaders 300 years later, both who betrayed the Kingdom. The buck doesn't stop at Judas. Its a team effort.
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Pardon For Ghislaine Maxwell?

Reuters: Trump says he will talk to DOJ about Maxwell pardon, says Diddy asked for one


On the same day that the U.S. Supreme Court declined to hear Maxwell's bid to overturn her conviction, Trump, when asked whether he would set Maxwell free himself through a pardon, said he would speak to the Department of Justice.

"I haven't heard the name in so long. I can say this, that I'd have to take a look at it. I would have to take a look," he said. "I will speak to the DOJ."

What does the president mean by "I haven't heard the name in so long"? Was he pretending not to know who she is or - even worse and more worrisome - he is genuinely having a hard time remembering?


Maga World is still opposed: Laura Loomer Issues Stern Warning to Trump After Ghislaine Maxwell Pardon Remark: ‘No Coming Back from That’

MAGA firebrand Laura Loomer issued a stern warning to President Donald Trump, urging him not to entertain the notion of pardoning convicted Jeffrey Epstein accomplice Ghislaine Maxwell.

...“Do not do it. I repeat. Do not do it. There will be no coming back from that. I repeat again. For the love of God. Do Not Do It,” Loomer wrote, tagging Trump, Vice President JD Vance, and Attorney General Pam Bondi.

What a scamp our Donald is! Can never tell what he'll say or do next!
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America’s Catholic Bishops Fan the Flames of Violence Against ICE

Fr Leo on how Catholic's are to respond to illegal immigration;

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Good guy. He is addressing Catholics, as well as their clergy. With an obvious tone of he is telling them things that might shock, and they may not like. Because of higher ups and attitude and handling of this situation.
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Border Czar Tom Homan caught accepting $50K bribe; investigation shut down under Trump

Homan has denied any wrongdoing and the White House has backed him, but has also offered shifting accounts of whether he accepted the money.

The White House first did not deny that Homan accepted the money but said he did not have a role in contracting decisions and called the investigation “blatantly political.”

White House press secretary Karoline Leavitt then said Homan did not accept the cash.

Later, in an on Fox News’s “Ingraham Angle,” Homan denied wrongdoing but did not repeat Leavitt’s claim when asked about the money.

“Look, I did nothing criminal. I did nothing illegal,” Homan said.
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A conversation about unity.

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This thread is permanently closed for multiple rule violations.​

Mostly the usual goading and flaming against denominations and members, with doses of Disruptive Behavior as people and this thread are being complained about.

While this forum is in a unique position to host a discussion on church unity and it is allowed to discuss the subject here, a future thread will need to focus more on discussing theological differences for the goal of reconciliation as opposed to attacking groups. It will need to adhere better to addressing the post and not the poster. I do think we can do it, but for now, I bid this thread a sad bon voyage. Try again, my brothers and sisters in Christ. Try again.​

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The rise of menace as a mainstream political tool

Powell Co. KY man arrested after Halloween decorations allegedly depict bodies of local officials

Stephan Marcum was arrested on Saturday and is charged with intimidating a witness in the legal process and third degree terroristic threatening.

"The one hanging was labeled "district judge." There was a rope around the neck of the body," the citation wrote. "From left to right the four other bodies were labeled "mayor," "SIS," "C.A." and "zoning mgr."
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Brick-n-Mortar Demons

You know, demons may traverse ''heavenly places'' (Ephesians 6:12), but I have never known the likes, such as this pack of evil spirits to be welcomed by so many self-professing Christians that to this day, celebrate the martyrdom/murder of Christian Charlie Kirk!

Grant them understanding Father for the loss they now exhibit, their destitution from that blessed engrafted word of God for which brother Kirk paid the price for.
Ole Satan is on the roam , he has the ability to copy all that is good for his use , as we see daily it's common place for people to call what is good-evil and what is evil good , sadly Satan has eased his way into the pulpits of certain churches the allow the abominations unto the Lord preach and control some church boards . he has demons in the news media spewing hate , in our schools brain washing some of our younger people and in our government. who do we combat this ? the word of God, prayer and the Holy Ghost
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Born again morality as opposed to the worlds morality.

I think they do. But are looking in the wrong places. I think everyone by nature knows that there is something non material that is where true happiness and peace comes. The classic Beatles sone 'Money can't buy me Love'. Or the saying 'All that glitters is not gold'.

Its a transcedent truth we intuit. But people look for it in different ways. We try every way first and rebel until we realise and surrender that we just cannot do it on our own. Thats the big issue, pride. That people have to bow to God rather than be their own god of their own life.
yeah want all rewards and fall into all kinds of sins because of it. But the further away they get I think the less conscious
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