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pasifika · 2025-11-25T22:07:14-0600

Is the Pope visit to Turkey might be a significant event in regards to Bible prophecy? Turkey is where the 7 churches in Revelation. Any thoughts?https://www.reuters.com/world/pope-...urkey-lebanon-first-overseas-trip-2025-11-25/

pasifika · 2025-11-25T22:02:02-0600

Is the Pope visit to Turkey might be a significant event in regards to Bible prophecy? Turkey is where the 7 churches in Revelation. Any thoughts?

NBB · 2025-11-25T22:00:46-0600

The mind is spiritual, our intelligence is from the soul.
I guess nobody knows how it works with the brain.

Always in His Presence · 2025-11-25T21:54:42-0600

durangodawood said:
Basically Im here to get the AIs to change their minds and see things my way.

That wasn’t happening before ai.

essentialsaltes · 2025-11-25T21:52:37-0600

Thousands of immigrants could be eligible for bond hearings, striking down DHS policy: Judge

A federal judge has struck down a Department of Homeland Security policy implemented in July that forced most immigrants who entered the United States without inspection to remain in detention throughout their removal proceedings.

The decision could potentially allow thousands of immigrants who have been subject to mandatory detention to be released.

On Tuesday, Judge Sunshine Suzanne Sykes in California certified a class granting relief to migrants who “have entered or will enter the United States without inspection” and those who were not initially detained when they came into the country.

[Class actions can still trigger nationwide effects.]

essentialsaltes · 2025-11-25T21:48:20-0600

Landon Caeli said:
Yes, Fuentes has appeared on other people's podcasts, which are popular. But
It says nothing about Fuentes having an increased fan base of his own.

That might possibly be devastating to someone who had made such a claim. As it is, the claim I made is substantiated.

Lost4words · 2025-11-25T21:47:08-0600

There are tons of evidence out there....

Just watch the links i posted...i believe they exist...

essentialsaltes · 2025-11-25T21:45:29-0600

Servus said:
At this point I'm just answering replies I'm getting about something that might happen three months from now. I expect everyone here will have forgotten all about it way before the end of February. And I doubt anything will come of it to remind anyone about it.

You clearly don't know who you're dealing with.

Hans Blaster · 2025-11-25T21:43:59-0600

stevevw said:
I am not just meaning conspiracy. I am meaning the promotion of any misleading or misrepresentation of something. Using fallacies to misrepresent the facts or truths creates a false narrative like a conspiracy.

Use the right words, especially if you know them. Looseness in speech is not a virtue.

stevevw said:
Hum then the language doesn't match. Language has been used that dismisses even the idea of ancient advanced knowledge full stop. This is done by explaining away that knowledge using the orthodox narrative as the go to explanation for everything without any evidence. Then accusing those who suggest alternative ideas as not having any evidence. Double standards. Part of forcing the orthodoxy.

Explanations are not evidence. Explanations *explain* evidence. The "orthodox narrative" is entirely based on evidence. The "alternative ideas" have the same evidence to work with. The question arises if one, the other, neither, or both work with the evidence.

stevevw said:
What. I am pretty sure I can find direct contradictions to this in this thread. If I had suggested that the ancients gained their knowledge from extraterrestrials I would be piled on lol. There would be cries 'see we told you this is all quackery' lol.

Quite possibly. It would all come down to if the evidence supports an ET theory or does not. This is the problem with playing with the bright flames of pseudoscience -- it can burn you.

stevevw said:
Now I am really confused lol. So believing the ancients maybe messed around with nature, physics, chemistry, astronomy and had real effects is ok a position to hold. Or maybe if a culture gained this knowledge they passed it on and we should believe the ancients when they say that their ancestors had advanced knowledge.

This is all ok. Is that what your saying. That its a legitimate belief and position to take that may be based on the truth.

It's not OK. It is a poor position to take as it is not supported by evidence. Just because it isn't a conspiracy doesn't mean it isn't a dumb idea.

stevevw said:
Huh, why. What if it was an inside job. Like I said usually when there is some questioning its based on some truth. This is usually some inconsistencies in what happened. Its not a complete baseless idea. As opposed to say the many other events that don't get questioned because there is nothing suspicious.

I am not saying that 9/11 was an inside job. But the idea that questioning whether something was an inside job is not a conspiracy itself.

That's exactly what the "9/11 was an inside job" conspiracy theory is Steve.

stevevw said:
Once again there is usually some basis. It may have been nothing to do with the marfia actually killing Kennedy. But it may be that the Marfia was associated with Kennedy and that fueled the speculation. Its never based on nothing and made out of thin air. Otherwise the conspirators have nothing to use as the reason.

Conspiracy theories are built by frantic putting of unrelated factoids together because "it just makes sense." JFK was murdered by dissolusioned communist (and former defector to the USSR) with an Italian infantry rifle from the window of the schoolbook warehouse that he worked at.

stevevw said:
Plus I think a fair number of what were considered conspiracies actually were proven true. So saying this situation or that situation is a conspiracy is unjustified as we don't know. Because the unlikely has been shown to be fact before then any conspiracy may be proven fact. We don't know the deep State and all the hidden stuff that power has kept from everyone.

Wow. You even bring up extra conspiracy theories without prompting like "the Deep State".

stevevw said:
Look at Epstein which is starting to come out now. People have no idea of what was going on behind closed doors. But usually where theres smoke theres fire.

And his co-conspirator was convicted of conspiracy. But we aren't talking about criminal conspiracies we are listing nut-job conspiracy theories so that you can understand what one is and how ancient Egyptian potter manufacture is not one.

stevevw said:
What about now. Up to 30 top officials with top level clearence testifying under oath in congress. Soon more will come out. How many people need to testify before its believed.

What about all the sightings. Sure some were human made drones. But many unexplained. Direct images and video from military hardware. From individuals phones and cameras all over the world. Was this just mass hallucinations.

None of those have anything to do with the conspiracy theories about the Roswell "incident". (And many of them have already been discredited. My favorite is the "UFO" tracked by a fighter jet over the ocean that turns out to be a bird.)

stevevw said:
As mentioned these conspiracies are usually based on grains of truth. It may not have been that Dr. Faucci helped the Chinese to create Covid. But his department were involved in funding the Wuhan Institute of Virology who were working on the Covid virus. Two of the papers from that lab spoke about working on the virus and how this could create new unnatural mutations of the virus.

Not all coronaviruses are SARS-CoV-2 and that virus was first isolated from the Wuhan hospitals, not in a lab source.

stevevw said:
So its not based on nothing and there is even some questions still unanswered. Just like ancient legends are based on some truth of an event happening that has been elaborated on. So we should not be dismissing people who ask these questions. But encourage this as this will help find the truth.

I am not the one evoking conspiracies. Any time I have mentioned this has been in response to someone making it about conspiracies or pseudoscience and I have to defend the sources. Have to explain its not actually a conspiracy or pseudoscience.

Conspiracy and pseudoscience are not the same thing. We have repeated called out the pseudoscience you have posted here. We (the "not you" posters) have not claimed anything is "a conspiracy". That is only you complaining that we are calling things conspiracies that were not in fact or implication. That failure on your part is why I wrote the post you just replied to. Is it starting to sink in?

stevevw said:
The fact we are arguing over whether this is the case or not is the evidence that the thread has been turned that way lol. And it was not me who did this.

See last paragraph. It is because you have incorrectly introduced the term "conspiracy" in you accusations when we call out the pseudoscience in your posts.

keras · 2025-11-25T21:36:19-0600

Daniel Martinovich said:
Mine eyes have seen the glory of the coming of the Lord

Mine eyes have seen the glory of the coming of the Lord:

Ezekiel 43:1-9 I went to the East gate and there I saw the glory of the Lord coming with the sound of a mighty torrent. The earth shone with His glory, it came in and filled the Temple, the place of His throne where He will dwell among the Israelites forever. Neither they nor their rulers will defy the Lord again by their idolatry and sins. Israelites; every faithful Christian. Galatians 3:26-29

Ezekiel 43:10-11 Ezekiel, tell them about the Temple and let them be ashamed for their sins. If they repent and are remorseful for what they have done, then describe to them the new Temple, to be built on the Holy mountain. Make detailed plans for them to follow and carry out, with all the instructions for its operation.

Ezekiel 46:1-3The East gate is to be kept closed during the six days of the working week, to be opened only on Sabbaths and at the new moon. When the ruler, [The prince in the NIV & KJV] comes in, he is to stand by the East gatepost, while the priests sacrifice his offerings. He is to bow down in worship and then to leave. The people must also bow in worship at that gate. Malachi 1:5

Ezekiel, the prophet, lived during the period between the exile of the Northern tribes and the Jewish captivity. His prophecies about the Land and the Temple have not yet happened, as when the Jewish remnant returned under Nehemiah, that Temple did not receive the Shekinah Glory. All of Ezekiel chapters 40 – 48, await fulfilment and note that this must be before the Return of Jesus, as the ‘ruler’ of all of Gods Christian peoples, makes sacrifices and worships the Lord at the New Temple. Jeremiah 30:21, Zechariah 14:21

He is tramping out the vintage where the grapes of wrath are stored Isaiah 63:1-6

Revelation 14:18-20 From the altar came the angel who has authority over fire and he called out to the angel with the sharp sickle: “Gather the harvest, the grape clusters are ripe.” They were gathered and thrown into the great winepress of God’s wrath. Blood flowed from the press for 200 miles. Amos 5:17, Jer. 6:9

He has loosed the fateful lightning of His terrible swift sword

Ezekiel 30:1-8 Prophesy! The Lord says: Cry out, for the terrible Day is near, the Day of the Lord’s vengeance and wrath, His Day of Reckoning upon the nations. A sword will come upon Egypt and there will be disaster in all of the Arab lands. Those who support Egypt will fall and all who live along the Nile will die. When I set Egypt on fire, the land will become totally desolate and ruined. They will all know that I am the Lord, on that Day. Ref: REB. Some verses abridged.

The Lord’s Day of reckoning – a Day of fire, His terrible Day of vengeance and wrath, will be an unexpected and shocking event, that will cause destruction throughout the Middle East. It will be the fulfilment of Psalms 83 and Micah 4:11-12. Other prophesies make it clear that the whole world will be affected and that it will take the form of a Coronal Mass Ejection sunstrike. A really big CME will have all the effects described, but it quickly passes, leaving the Holy Land ready for His Christian people to gather and settle there. The rest of the world’s nations will form a One world Government.

His Truth is marching on!

AV1611VET · 2025-11-25T21:25:16-0600

Kjelete said:
Can you ride the wave of an imploding star?

Depends on what you are.

Jipsah · 2025-11-25T21:23:46-0600

Dan1988 said:
Let me assure you that God is not seeking your advice, or approval for anything He does. In fact you have nothing to offer Him at all, so it's not as though His Church is missing your service.

And the same may as easily b said of you, so you don't really accrue many Eternal Life Brownie Points for having been created a Good Guy instead of a Bad Guy, do you? It's also worth pondering whether one can actually know which uniform they're wearing.

Dan1988 said:
The Bible doctrine of "Eternal Conscious Torment" is abundantly clear.

Sure, once you accept your belief that God created 2 different kinds of beings to populate this planet. Real People who were created to live forever in God's realm, and Evil Robots who exist only as foils to the Real People and to be maintained as object lessons to the Real People They illustrate to the Real People that He could as easily have made them Evil Robots doomed to be tormented forever so as to demonstrate to the Real People how fortunate they are the God didn't decide to give them the same treatment He gives the Evil Robots.

Dan1988 said:
You just can't get around it, because Jesus did describe it in great detail.

Except that He said that the Father could destroy us in hell. Oh, I forgot, He didn't really mean destroy, He really meant something else that wouldn't interfere with your doctrine.

Dan1988 said:
And yes it is eternal torment, and yes the pain of burning alive is not metaphorical, it's just as real as we feel it in this life, only mush worse than we can imagine.

"Praise ye the Lord, Whose hatred/malice/vengeance/viciousness endure forever."

Dan1988 said:
It's not healthy or safe to for you to put yourself in Gods place, and say it's not fair.

But it is fair for you to paint God as a malevolent oriental despot. Right.

Dan1988 said:
but les not pretend that God has to obey our dictates

I'm grateful for that,

Dan1988 said:
and lets remember that His ways are infinitely higher than ours,

THat doesn't appear to be the way you actually view it.

Dan1988 said:
If I could encourage you in anything, it would be to trust in the Lord

Because He's either created you to live forever in Heaven or live forever in Hell. Not a thing you can do about it either way, so do whatever you feel like doing; it makes not an iota of difference in the end.

Dan1988 said:
I'm not going to give you a long list of scriptures confirming the bible doctrine of hell, because I feel you won't approach them to be edified or instructed, but you will instead try to deny them.

Doesn't matter in any case, does it? You're an NPC that does what the code make it do.

Vambram · 2025-11-25T21:16:07-0600

CRAZY_CAT_WOMAN said:
Why should they go through a trial, when they didn't do anything wrong. And they are just being harassed because Trump doesn't like them. I think they should sue Trump and his workers for harassment, Terrorizing, false firing and lying on them , especially James Comey.

Comey lied to Congress.
James lied on her mortgage form. Both actions are crimes.

DamianWarS · 2025-11-25T21:12:58-0600

Studyman said:
I couldn't agree more. But aren't you promoting the same thing by judging one of God's Commandments given in Exodus 20, as "not a moral command", and then pitting that LAW against the other Laws defined for us in Exodus 20?

As an isolated argument "the 4th is not innate moral action but the others are" I am no different, I'm isolating the 4th as a "have not" law over a "have". But that's not my motivation, rather it is to challenge this terminology "moral law" when used to isolate the 10. What makes the 10 more moral than the others? Christ himself quotes outside of the 10 when quoting the greatest, is that not enough? In a strict sense, moral is a poor word to use to separate which laws are better than others because you're right, we should not be making qualitative judgments on these laws and the whole law should be received the same.

Sabbath law is complicated and it can have moral alignment as it pertains to monotheistic practice. It is rooted in the 7th day yet where is the 7th day rooted? Sure in creation, but where does 7 come from? A critical study would reveals that the number 7 already had strong value in Semitic or ANE cultures derived from lunar activity, going back further than Abraham. The 7 day week may be something unique to Hebrews but the reason behind why 7 as a value is not unique to Hebrews and has deeper roots. There was already pagan practices and pagan ideologies in keeping the number 7 including as it pertained the counting days. It's not that the Hebrews borrowed or adopted 7, it's that they inherited it, they were born into this system but instead of rejecting it they used it to point to God.

Commandments 1-3 are a bit redundant, critically speaking as all can be implicit in monotheism so don't need to be said yet, because of wide practice and outside influence, monotheism had to be a belaboured point. It was not just "no other gods" but clarification for graven images too (despite it basically being the same thing) and not taking God's name in vain. But also how to keep 7, which was needed to be defined as there was already wide practice that was not consistent with the first 3 commandments. So 7 is intentionally redirected to be rooted in monotheism over lunar activity (which is probably also why the Hebrews don't align 7 day weeks with lunar months using extra days like the Babylonians).

The 4th is moral in the sense it rescues 7 and uniquely defines it to redirect pagan influence of the number/day to worship and rest. Routine rest can also be seen as a moral responsibility for healthy living as individuals and communities, this is coupled with the rescued number of 7 to make an ordained day of rest used for worship of God. It's remember the Sabbath day to keep monotheism over remember the 7 day because innately 7 is special. It is recognizing something that would have strong pagan influence, leaning into it and redirecting it to worship to God as well as breathing into it theological and redemptive significance. Like creation, the 7th day also has it's origins in darkness where light is spoken into it and new life, along with meaning and purpose breathed into it.

Today the day can be decoupled from these requirements as there is no longer a purpose to rescue it from pagan influence. Certainly, there is a different kind of cultural creep happening where you can argue the 7th day practice is still needed and still used as a polemic but there is no need to directly rescue the day from this influence, but rather the need and polemic focus should be in ourselves over a day. In this respect, the 4th is deeply embedded in a monotheistic-centred morality purposed at sanctifying our corrupted ways and redirected to an upward focus. It served as a polemic to surrounding nations while Israel served as the priest, showing this upward focus and this still can be the focus today. the day and number don't carry the meaning they did in ANE culture and have become culturally irrelevant in carrying the purposed message, instead Christ is the focus that continues to carry this meaning.

This is the long way to say the sabbath law is moral but it shows how deeply impactful these laws are to the place and time they were presented. (because isolated ritual rest has no moral significance today). It's not about if it's moral or not, they were all morally centred (even the boring ones) and all about redirection to an upward focus with an outflowing of justice, mercy and compassion, even to spread that outwards to all the world. But the letter itself today may not easily align with those goals using cultural moores of today so it is not the letter we continue to spread but Christ who fully captures it (and of course he is the overall purpose) and it is he we preach, not the letter, and he we spread, not the letter. Christ's law is loving God first (that upward focus), then loving neighbour as yourself (that outflow focus). It's a heuristic approach to keeping law, and polemically speaking, it contrasts both legalism of the law and those outside of God. So it's all moral, but if all we see is the surface letter and labels, then we've turned it into something else that Christ speaks against.

The Liturgist · 2025-11-25T21:03:55-0600

Michie said:
You are very welcome.

Forgive me not replying earlier, I became very ill and forgot about.

wing2000 · 2025-11-25T20:45:19-0600

essentialsaltes said:
FBI seeks to interview Sen. Mark Kelly, other Democrats Trump accused of seditious behavior

The FBI plans to interview Sen. Mark Kelly of Arizona and five other congressional Democrats in connection with their appearance in a video encouraging members of the U.S. military to refuse to follow illegal orders.

Slotkin said the FBI’s Counterterrorism Division “appeared to open an inquiry into me in response to a video President Trump did not like.”

“The President directing the FBI to target us is exactly why we made this video in the first place,” Slotkin said in a tweet. “He believes in weaponizing the federal government against his perceived enemies and does not believe laws apply to him or his Cabinet. He uses legal harassment as an intimidation tactic to scare people out of speaking up.”

On Monday, a group of Democratic senators, including Kelly and Slotkin, wrote Hegseth and Attorney General Pam Bondi to request that they declassify a Department of Justice Office of Legal Counsel’s written opinion from September on the domestic and international legal basis for the strikes [on boats alleged to have drugs and drug smugglers aboard].

....diverting Conterterrorism agents from rounding up illegal immigrants?

d taylor · 2025-11-25T20:42:51-0600

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The day and date i was born, a lot of people died.

Isaac the Recluse · 2025-11-25T20:42:50-0600

Broccoli rarely looks like ice-cream.

CCLCC

CRAZY_CAT_WOMAN · 2025-11-25T20:35:15-0600

That makes me mad ,that people knew. And didn't take care of the problem. The same thing happened, when I was growing up in foster care. Many child rapists. My foster dad was a drill sergeant. He knew this was going on. But did not take care of the problem.

Bob Crowley · 2025-11-25T20:29:14-0600

Watching the birdbath
Blue Wrens and Honey Eaters
Dip, splash and are gone.

Valletta · 2025-11-25T20:22:23-0600

GoldenBoy89 said:
Maybe this is all a bit overboard just to arrest a single person. Aren’t you all about cutting waste and improving government efficiency? This is horribly inefficient and wasteful and not to mention, cruel to treat normal Americans like they’re some enemy force.

The victims of the criminals may very well see it differently. While this guy had been deported before and was able to return, it will be extremely difficult for him to enter our country again, at least during this administration. The bottom line is that we have to decide if we are a nation of laws or not, decide if our Republic is to continue.

Daniel Martinovich · 2025-11-25T20:21:26-0600

LoveGodsWord said:
Seems to me like there is so many versions of bible Prophecy as their are Christian religions. So how are we to know who is right and who is wrong?

I am kind of amazed that there is zero curiosity about the fact that from the first year of the times of the gentiles, when Nebuchadnezzar conquered Judea until Rome destroyed Jerusalem in 70 AD is 666 years. I mean that is what that part of Revelation is about. The times or age of the four gentile empires. Why would it not be relevant then? Why every crazy interpretation that can possibly be imagined other than the one that is relevant to the subject matter? 597 BC - 70 AD by the way. There is no year zero making it 666 years.

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