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The Saving results of the Death of Christ !

Except for the bible, where God wants all to be saved. No one can even know with 100% certainty that they're one of the elect anyway, for that matter.
The all God wants to be saved, Christ was responsible to save them. And by His work of the Cross He was very successful and not one of the all was lost. Do you believe that ?
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Trump’s Domestic Use of Military Set to Get Worse, Leaked DHS/DoD Memo Shows: LA "hasn't been perfect" but indicates what's coming "for years to come"

Texas, California National Guard members to leave Portland and Chicago

The federalized Guard troops arrived in those cities but never deployed.

Well, at least money was wasted in this illegitimate use of the guard!
Maybe we can stop wasting money in Los Angeles. We still have some guards activated for no good reason.
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Sense of community at local oarish

How is it at yours? Ours is a large church with elementary and high school. So if you have children or grandchildren it can be easy to feel integrated. Otherwise I notice the same people at daily Mass and there is a tacit recognition that we share this. Sometimes there are adult education programs or other small groups for people who have the time to attend. I had always hoped for third order or oblate possibility.

Release from Epstein files

This systematic review revealed no incriminating 'client list.' There was also no credible evidence found that Epstein blackmailed prominent individuals as part of his actions. We did not uncover evidence that could predicate an investigation against uncharged third parties.

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What Did You Learn In Church Today?

11/9/25 am on 1 Sam 25
Peace is hard. Conflict. Divisiveness. Anxiety. Hard to keep. Internal.
Nabal doesn't show David hospitality or give David the sheep he wants & David takes an army to get them. Abigail pleads w/ David to turn back & he does.
Abigail shows humility & respect. She does not view herself as better then David, talk bad of him, or puff up her own experiences. She takes action & isn't afraid to avoid conflict & brokenness. Her testimony would've been considered less in that time. Keeping the peace avoids division, but making peace requires the possibility of division.
Rome had acquired peace by power, but Jesus says the peacemakers will be the children of God. The difference between the world's peace & Jesus's peace is the world's peace comes thru human power, & his is a work of God in us.
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Stepping from Fog into Sunlight: What is your "Holy Ground" moment?

I have issues with anxiety, and borderline panic attacks. One thing that I've found works for me extremely well is reciting the Jesus prayer, "Lord Jesus Son of God, have mercy on me a sinner." Most of the time when i do this, I get this sense that I am not alone and my anxiety disappears and is replaced with a sense of bold confidence. I sense the Spirit carrying me, and know that what He wills, He makes provisions for.
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There’s a Giant Flaw in Human History

You really need to take a step back and settle down lol.

I was making a joke about how easy it is to make up stuff by just typing the words onto the paper.

Notice how I copied exactly your words and just replaced two of them In fact I only had to change "nonsense" by replacing the 'non' with 'common' lol.

The point was that anyone can just say the words. If you make claims or objections about people without evidence. Then I can turn those claims and objections into falsehoods and claim the exact opposite without evidence. If this is the way you want to determine the truth.
Do you know what Poe's law is? (You should it originated on this site.)

To use the vernacular form, no one here believes you are "a Poe".
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No Mayor - you cannot control privately owned businesses - if they want to leave, they can.




So is the the stores or the news companies that are exaggerating?




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January 6 rioter, freed by Trump pardon, arrested again on federal weapons charge

A third former Jan. 6 defendant, Dan Wilson, also faced firearms charges unrelated to Jan. 6, and two weeks ago, the Justice Department rejected his claim that Trump’s clemency covered those charges. But on Thursday, his attorney urged a court to delay the start of his prison sentence, saying the Justice Department had agreed to “take another look” at his case.

Trump pardons Jan. 6 rioter for gun offense and woman convicted of threatening to shoot FBI agents

Wilson was pardoned for the gun charges, as for the woman...

After FBI contacted her in 2021 about a tip indicating she may have been at the Capitol on Jan. 6, she posted a video on social media citing her Second Amendment right to carry a gun and she threatened to shoot agents if they came to her house.

I guess threatening federal agents is okay this week.
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Harvard conservative magazine is suspended by its own board after publishing article laced with Nazi rhetoric

Also when I read the words 'blood and soil' Hitler was the furthest from my mind in relation to American history of fighting for anti slavery and the principles of freedoms and democracy.

They certainly fought and spilt blood on their own soil and that soil produced one of the worlds greatest democracies which gave us freedoms.
Okay, that is what the words "blood and soil" evoke in your mind. Something about the honor/sacrifice of those who gave their lives for America.

But that is not what "blood and soil" meant in Nazi ideology. Today we might say "genes and soil" -- that something about the German people was specifically connected to the land. And that the people were better because the land was better. And people who didn't have German blood didn't belong on the German soil. (and 'them' not being connected to the land, congregated in the cities, and filled them with moral turpitude.) Per wiki: a racially defined national body ("Blood") united with a settlement area ("Soil").

So now we ask ourselves how the author of the Harvard Salient used it. The full text isn't public (as far as I know), but what we know of it is that it does not seem to be about the battlefields of Saratoga or Gettysburg, but about Muslims not belonging in America.

Whereas Hitler said, “France to the French, England to the English, America to the Americans, and Germany to the Germans,” Army wrote, “Germany belongs to the Germans, France to the French, Britain to the British, America to the Americans.”

(This again is connecting a nation of people directly to a place.)

Army also called for the adoption of notions of “blood, soil, language, and love of one’s own” in response to concerns over large-scale migration of Muslims into Europe.

This is pretty clearly a very similar sentiment to the way the Nazis used the phrase -- to separate an us (our blood/genes, our soil, our language, our love of us) from some other, who doesn't belong.
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Priest and layman liberate Christian slaves from bondage in Pakistan

Three Christian families in Pakistan have been liberated from bondage thanks to the ongoing efforts of an Argentine priest and young layman who recently returned to Spain from the Muslim-majority country.

Father Rico, a priest with the Order of St. Elias based in Argentina, told CNA that he paid Muslim Pakistani businessmen the equivalent of $1,700 to liberate three Christian families from debt bondage.

Men, women, and children have been subjected to generational hard labor making bricks to pay off debts, enduring rape, forced marriage, and forced conversion in Pakistan, especially since the 1980s, when relations between Christians and Muslims deteriorated.Christians have been attacked and murdered there following accusations that they have violated Muslim religious laws.

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Historic Premillennialism vs Amillennialism

Hello!

I'm undecided about eschatology but doing some research on it. I think good points are made for both amillennialism and premillennialism. The only view I currently hold to with is inaugurated eschatology (or "already and not yet") where most prophecy has double fulfillment. It's normally associated with George Eldon Ladd, who was a premillennialist, but I don't see why one can't be amillennial and also agree with inaugurated eschatology.

I'm wondering if one can hold to a non-literalistic premillennialism?

Like, I don't think the events in Revelation are strictly chronological and probably could be oit of order or just the same events from different angles.

I also don't know if I believe the 1,000 years mentioned in the book to be be a literal millennium.

Could one believe in a Millennial State after the Second Coming, but not think the Millennial Kingdom will be a literal 1,000 years?
For clarity , this how I am defining Inaugurated eschatology:

A theological perspective that the end times began with the life, death, and resurrection of Jesus Christ, meaning the Kingdom of God is "already" present through His Flock but "not yet" fully realized. This "already/not yet" means believers currently experience the blessings and power of God' through salvation and the infilling of His Holy Spirit. The complete fulfillment, like the resurrection of all the dead and final judgment awaits after Christ's second coming.

Indeed this theology is deeply embedded in the New Testament and is considered to be the core biblical framework for understanding the Kingdom of God. The central tension arises from what transpires in the theological concept of the 'already,' leading to a dramatic parting of various theological perspectives.

My view as a Partial Preterist would define this period as symbolic for the 1000 year time frame mentioned in Revelation. This is not a millennium but rather takes its definition from the verse 2 Peter 3:8 "But, beloved, do not forget this one thing, that with the Lord one day is as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day."

In reference to your question:

Could one believe in a Millennial State after the Second Coming, but not think the Millennial Kingdom will be a literal 1,000 years?

It would be impossible. The fundamental conflict is that Dispensational Premillennialism demands a literal 1,000-year reign because its entire system is based on a strict, literal interpretation of prophecy. Accepting the 1,000 years as merely symbolic would violate this primary rule, undermining the unique basis of their view and putting their entire framework in a quagmire.
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