essentialsaltes said:

Pentagon watchdog finds Hegseth’s use of Signal posed risk to US personnel, AP sources say​

[One source] also said the report concluded that Hegseth violated Pentagon policy by using his personal device for official business and it recommended better training for all Pentagon officials.

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Also keep in mind he refused to turn over his phone and all questions about his actions by the Inspector General

Personally I believe that any and all "carry" makes us less safe, and I think that all those who read the Gospels with an open heart and mind would heed Jesus' message about non-violence.

Broken Arrow seems like a great place to live, and I would guess it's an affluent suburb of Tulsa. I think that it's a great place to live because fewer people are carrying--not because they carry.

I once read that people are mourning the end of the "gun 'culture?'" T'hey are growing up in suburban and urban areas and aren't going hunting.

Fewer college educated people own guns. Fewer suburbanites and urban dwellers own guns. People who grew up in a gun-free atmosphere don't own guns. Gun ownership is least prevalent in the northeast.

I'm proof positive. Grew up in the northeast, had a dad who never fired a gun after WWII ended, grew up in the suburbs (was born in the city), college-educated and married someone who is also a college grad. My children never owned guns, either (although they did fish a little as children, they never hunted.)

And so Broken Arrow, although (I'm sure) Republican and located in the south, has lots of demographics indicating non-gun ownership. How fortunate you are to live there.

ThatRobGuy said:

To be clear, I wasn't saying that the crappy'ness of the food has the entertainment value, I was suggesting that eating a bunch becomes a void filler at social gatherings when other things aren't allowed.


For example, when I go to the weddings on the Catholic side of the family (who are less strict)

The reception is
- you grab few cocktails
- talk to some new people after the social lubricant kicks in
- maybe even hit the dance floor a bit

Eating is something of an after thought at those events

The weddings for the Southern Baptist side (and the other social gatherings for that matter) in my experience, were situations where there pretty much wasn't anything else to do but eat. Awkwardly sitting a table trying to make small talk with cousins I haven't seen in 3 years, going to hit up the buffet is about the only thing for "something to do"

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Makes sense. I feel sorry for people who deny themselves like that. Those fun things like dancing, music, drinking are even sanctioned in the Bible. They seem to be venturing off on their own sad path here.

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Of all the countries, China is the one I'd be least concerned about with CO2 emission growth given what they are trying to do on the ground.

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On top of investing in renewable energy, China is also investing massively in greening its deserts and planting trees.

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As for the neighbors, they'll probably be keeping their distance for a while.

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Regardless of party

Studyman said:

Yes, you can spot these people who read their own philosophy into Scriptures, by the way they avoid or hide from an actual discussion about what the actual scriptures say.



Yes, the Holy Scriptures themselves, expose false teachings, when ALL of them are considered. This is why Jesus told His People that man shall "live by" Every Word of God, not the philosophies, traditions and doctrines of men.

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Again, the problem is interpretation and reading into them.

Studyman said:

Well, you must remember, I read your posts, so I know your stated religious philosophy according to your own words. According to your stated religious philosophy, God's LAW was "NEVER" relevant to the Non-Jew.
The scriptures themselves, that I posted, and you hid from even acknowledging, points out the error in this poplar religious philosophy of this world. It's not that we have a different interpretation of the Scriptures I posted. It's that I considered these Scriptures as trustworthy, and you completely ignored them, according to your words on this post.

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I didn’t hide at all. If you read my posts then you know that I have addressed them ad naseum. Let’s go again. These are the two verses you posted to support your assertion that the law have been given to every one. I even copied them from your post.

Ex. 12: 49 One law shall be to him that ishomeborn, and unto the stranger that sojourneth among you.

Lev. 19: 34 But the stranger that dwelleth with you"shall be unto you as one born among you", and thou shalt love him as thyself; for ye were strangers in the land of Egypt: I am the LORD your God.

1. Where is these two verses does it say that the law was given to everyone?

2. Where is these two verses does it say that the law was given to the gentiles in general?

The answer to both is nowhere. You are reading your pet doctrine into them. The gentiles spoken of in both verses are gentiles that “sojourner” and “dwelleth” with the Jews. These were gentiles that converted to Judaism and started living as Jews.

This is exactly what I referred to as reading into scriptures. I read your posts too and I just shake my head and move on.

Studyman said:

There is a difference between misunderstanding God's instruction, and rejecting God's instruction, in my view.

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All of us here are Christian’s. All of us here accept God’s instruction. Most of us here reject interpretation that ignores linguistic, cultural, and historical context.

Studyman said:

My stated position, and Paul's, is that God Inspired the Holy scriptures " for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:"

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Yep

Studyman said:

You stated "The God that I “profess” never gave the law to the gentiles."

I posted God's OWN Words, Inspired by Him in the Holy Scriptures, where HE says, not me, that HIS LAW was given to everyone. I posted HIS Words, that HE Inspired for correction and reproof and instruction in righteousness.

It isn't me, of some interpretation that is correcting you. It is the God who Inspired the Words I posted for your review and examination, that was written specifically to correct you.

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Read above. Your interpretation of the verses that you posted is simply wrong,

Studyman said:

I have posted for you in the past, God's Inspired Word where HE defined for you exactly what HIS New Covenant is. I pointed out to you that it was the duties Priesthood that was prophesied to change, not God's Definition of Sin, in my understanding.

It's in Jer. 31: 33 and 34 for those interested in what HIS New Covenant entails, according to HIM. You are not promoting God's New Covenant, in my view, but an imagination of your own heart. And I am instructed to test the spirits and prove all things. So I am doing as I am instructed to do concerning the teaching of the "Many" who come in Christ's Name. It's not personal.

Post God's Words defining for us His Own New Covenant yourself and lets examine it. Lets look at God's Promised New covenant together, and see what HE promised to change.

Wouldn't that be the honest, and Godly thing to do for those Seeking the Righteousness of God?

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I rejected your interpretation there also.

Studyman said:

Let's look

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That’s preachy.

Studyman said:

at Jesus' Words together, as brothers in Christ.

17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.

18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till "all be fulfilled".

19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

So has all been fulfilled that was prophesied about the Jesus "of the Bible"?? Even His Own Prophesies about Himself?

Matt. 13: 41 The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity; 42 And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth. 43 Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.

So how is it you promote, that "ALL" has been fulfilled?

I look forward to the honest and unbiased discussion about God's Inspired Words.


It seems obvious. You are preaching to others, ""The God that I “profess” never gave the law to the gentiles."

I just posted God's Own Inspired Words that expose this doctrine as NOT Wrought in God, but in the imaginations of the heart of this world's religious men.

I am happy to enter into an honest discussion concerning God's Own Words about WHO HE created his Laws for, all you have to do is post them, and be honest.

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I have already explained this several times and, again, if you read my posts as you say you do then you either ignored it or decided against responding. I’m going to repost one of them here.

Several passages of Scripture clearly establish that the coming of Christ has brought an end to the Mosaic Law.

Romans 10:4, “Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes.”

Christ fulfilled the Ten Commandments by living a perfect and sinless life and so when man trusts in Christ as his Savior, Christ’s righteousness is imputed to that individual so we have justification (Romans 4) resulting in the fact that the Law can’t condemn us (Romans 4:4-8; 5:1, 7:1-6, 8:1).

Christ fulfilled the ceremonial ordinances, the shadows and types of His person and work, by dying on the cross for us and in our place.

Christ also fulfilled the Social Law, but now He replaces it with a new way of life fitting to our new salvation.

The believer now is under God’s new law, the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus (Romans 8:2-4).

Therefore, the doctrine of justification by means of faith in Jesus Christ upholds the Law for three reasons:

(1) Jesus Christ’s death on the Cross satisfied the demands of God’s Law that required that human sin be judged (Romans 3:26).

(2) Jesus Christ’s death on the Cross establishes the Law by fulfilling the purpose of the Law in driving men to Jesus Christ as their Savior (Galatians 3:24).

(3) Jesus Christ’s death on the Cross establishes the Law by providing believers the capacity to obey the Law through the ministry of the Holy Spirit (Romans 8:3-4).

This is why I have stated in the past that the Holy Spirit gives us the knowledge of sin and the way to repentance since the law is not able to. This is why there is no longer condemnation for those in Christ (Rom. 8:1).

If the OP is true I am totally opposed to the lowering of standards. There were other police agencies that did that because they couldn't get officers and it didn't go well. So, no, not a fan of doing this in any LE agency.

“But you will receive power when the Holy Spirit comes on you; and you will be My witnesses in Jerusalem, and in all Judea and Samaria, and to the ends of the earth.” (Acts 1:8)

We need Holy Spirit revival!

timewerx said:

I don't have the privilege of visiting the literal wilderness as I live in the middle of a big city of a poor and heavily polluted nation and can't leave my elderly mom alone for long periods.

But I get lots of wild action already whenever I rollerblade in the chaotic, crowded, and dirty streets of our city for exercise and transportation.

I also get chased by a pack of dogs all the time! The dogs are able to reach me because I skate slower than bikes in traffic for safety. I learned to dissuade dogs by keeping high, confident, calm, and looking back at them and snapping my teeth at them.

Falling and collisions are relatively frequent among fellow skaters who do the same who are even more experienced and more skilled than I do.

I've broken a bone and have scars to show, lol! Ironically, I've had worse injuries with cycling. But I haven't had a fall nor collisions for a long time now thank God. I've learned to greatly improve situational awareness by spending some time playing my old FPS (first-person-shooter) games. I've quit video games a long time ago. But this time I found it necessary for improving situational awareness while skating. I also drive and cycle but skating is by far requiring the highest level of situational awareness on the road, probably on par with unicycling. But I don't play more than 30 mins a day. I'm not as hooked to games as I did before. Now I'm finding them more of a chore since skating and swimming is now much more fun for me than video games.

My swimming activity is mostly free-diving in a pool and still much more dangerous than just swimming as blacking out is a real concern.

Although I seem to engage in dangerous sports, I do it in the safest way possible in the given circumstances. I don't do any reckless stuff just to catch attention.

The danger makes me feel alive somehow. Is this the point of being in a "wild place". Does it have to be dangerous enough?

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I found that metro parks can do in a pinch. I used to have about a twenty minute to a half and hour hike every day in the metro parks before work. I really enjoyed that and looked forward to it. Sometimes these hidden Gems in the cities can be just as rewarding with less expense and travel time. It's a good place to think. There, and I do also do some of my best thinking while shooting hoops alone. BTW, I always wondered if Bigfoot lived in the big city sewer systems of NY. It sounds funny, but they could have access from where the sewers open up outside the city. I've heard stories...

Dave

Guojing said:

I see, no wonder you hold the doctrines that you do. Thanks for clarifying.

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AND there. are many that will NEVER believe that ISRAEL. was was set aside along with the LAW and GRACE BEGAN

with PAUL in. Acts 9:5. and 1 TIM. 1:16. that prove that Paul is the PATTEN. of the ones coming to believe

on HIM unto everlasting LIFE !!

dan p

Servus said:

As Hegseth said, it's being done as a deterrent. It's to scare them away. The soft passive liberal approach obviously hasn't been working considering the escalation of drugs that have been smuggled into the US.

For them there's a simple solution. Don't want to get blown up? Don't smuggle drugs into the US.

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So, to be clear, you believe it OK to kill people in order to deter behavior you see as problematic?

samaus123456789 said:

There are

457BC, and 444 BC both have problems. It was going to be 49 years until the city was rebuilt. The decree given 445 BC was only for the walls ,and they rebuilt them in 52 days (Nehemiah 4) so by 445 BC the whole city had been rebuilt. 445-49=396 BC, 457- 49 = 408 BC but again everything was rebuilt by 445 BC. If 445 BC was the end of 49 years then it means "the decree" went out 49 years earlier 494 BC but then that poses problems for the crucifixion date. If you use an earlier decree of Cyrus or Darius it causes even worse problems for the crucifixion date. So.... the archaeological dates appear to be wrong. It might be easier to date the crucifixion using NT sources like you did then work backwards.


2 Thessalonians 2 meant the physical standing temple at the time that had the holy spirit in it. This ceased to exist 70 AD. The prophecy is set within the first century. It happened before 70 AD.

All of Math 24 happened 70 AD. See the thread on Enoch, and Jude I made. Jude, and 1 Enoch
Revelation was written 41 AD. Paul in 2 Corinthians 55 AD said he knew someone 14 years earlier caught up to heaven that saw things that can't be written which is what happens to John in Revelation; an angel tells him don't write some things down. Paul doesn't say it was the author of Revelation he is talking about because he does not want to boast. Internally in Rev 11 the temple is still standing, and being destroyed, and Daniel 9 which ended 70 AD said vision, and prophecy would stop 70 AD, and Revelation contains vision, and prophecy. I reject external evidence if it conflicts with inspired scripture therefore I reject apocryphal acts of John (150 AD), and Irenaeus (180 AD) that say Revelation was written in the 90s AD under Domitian.
63-70 AD was the final 7. Eleazar Ben Hanania stops the daily sacrifice in the temple 66 AD that the Judeans had been doing for the Romans (not the torah ones) [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse]ing off the Romans, and starting the Judean Roman wars. The torah ones stopped 70 AD due to no one do do them. It is referring to these daily sacrifices Exodus 29.38-43; Numbers 28:1-8 Leviticus 6.8-13. When the daily sacrifice stops in Dan8, and 11, and someone puts up an abomination of desolation in the temple that was about Maccabees, and Antiochus 4 when he stopped the animal sacrifices, and put a greek god statue in the temple so when Dan 9 uses the same language it is about stopping sacrifices in the temple, and someone putting a statue in it around 70 AD. It is not about Jesus holding up the cup, and saying this is the new covenant, and he did not put a statue in the temple. I will make another post about the problems with the Daniel decree numbers.

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Dear Brother, Thank you for the reply and wonderful interest in history and deeply study to understand deeply the word of God. I want to give response point by point of your response.

1) On 457, 445/444, 494 BC and the “49 years”​

You’re right to press this hard, the decree issue is the single most contentious hinge in Daniel studies.

• Daniel 9:25 speaks of “seven sevens and sixty-two sevens” (שִׁבְעָה שִׁבְעִים וּשְׁשִׁים וּשְׁנַיִם). Many interpreters read the “seven sevens” (49 years) as a phrase expecting a building phase. That’s a legitimate reading.
• Nehemiah 2 (20th year of Artaxerxes) (commonly dated ~445/444 BC) is a decree that focuses on the walls (Ne 2), and Nehemiah reports the walls rebuilt in a short time (Ne 6:15 says 52 days). That strongly supports the view that the walls were repaired quickly after Nehemiah’s mission.
• Ezra 7 (457 BC), by contrast, is a broader decree with restoration language (including re-establishing temple services, the law, and community life). Daniel’s phrase מִן-מֹצָא דָּבָר לְהָשִׁיב וּלִבְנוֹת יְרוּשָׁלִָם “from the issuing of the word to restore and to build Jerusalem” can be read as pointing to a restoration decree (Ezra) rather than a narrow wall decree.

So your observation is historically exact: if one treats Nehemiah’s decree as the starting point, the math and the meaning of “seven sevens” need careful handling. If the walls were rebuilt by 445, then the 49-year expectation must be read differently (e.g., the 49 years could refer to complete civil/ritual restoration rather than walls alone). That’s why scholars disagree: different decrees produce different chronologies.

Bottom line: You’re right to point out the tension. It’s honest to say no decree candidate is problem-free. The best way forward is to test each decree (Cyrus, Darius, Artaxerxes 7/Ezra 457, Artaxerxes 20/Nehemiah 445) against (a) Daniel’s Hebrew wording, (b) what the decree actually authorized, and (c) the NT data about Jesus’ ministry.

2) On using New Testament anchors (dating the crucifixion and working backward)​

That is a very practical and scriptural method. The Gospels give multiple synchronisms:

• John places Jesus’ ministry around the fifteenth year of Tiberius (Luke 3:1 context), and Luke indicates Jesus was “about thirty” when he began (Luke 3:23).
• The synoptic chronology, passion narratives, and Passover timing converge on c. 30–33 AD as the plausible window for the crucifixion.

So yes ! using the NT first to set the crucifixion window, then testing which decree and calendar system best lines up with that window, is a sensible hermeneutical strategy. If a particular decree + calendar forces a crucifixion year outside 30–33 AD, that’s a strong strike against that option.

3) On 360-day prophetic years and the calendar question​

You rightly point to several texts that use symbolic/360-day reckoning (e.g., Revelation’s 1,260 days / 42 months / 3½ years). The prophetic calendar is a real phenomenon in apocalyptic literature.
Important cautions:

• Daniel 9 does not use days, it uses שָׁבֻעִים (“weeks” = sevens). The text itself does not specify how many days to a prophetic year. Applying a 360-day year is interpretive rather than mandated by Daniel’s Hebrew.
• If you choose to convert 483 “years” into 360-day prophetic years the arithmetic will shift the resulting AD date (as interlocutors showed). That arithmetic can be done, but it’s a hermeneutical option, not a textual requirement.

So your approach is consistent and defensible if you explicitly state you are imposing a prophetic/360-day year on Daniel. The critics’ pushback is mostly that Daniel’s language doesn’t compel that move.

4) On Eleazar ben Hanania (stopping sacrifices) and the 63–70 AD final week​

You’re right: Josephus records that the zealots interfered with sacrificial practice and that the Jewish War disrupted regular temple service (see Josephus, The Jewish War). That event is a plausible historical candidate for a “stopping of sacrifices” in a historical fulfillment sense.

But a few clarifications:

• In Daniel’s context (and classical interpretation of v.27), the figure who “makes a covenant with many” and then “puts an end to sacrifice and offering” sounds like a centralized ruler who asserts authority and sets up an abomination. Antiochus IV (the Maccabean type) fits that mold historically for Dan 8/11; some interpreters see a Roman/antichristic figure in v.27.
• Eleazar/the Zealots stopping sacrifices is better read as internal cessation (a breakdown caused by factional Jewish action during the revolt) rather than an external ruler imposing an abomination. That’s why many see 66–70 AD as a partial, typological fulfillment (a local realization of the pattern), but not the complete fulfillment of the covenant-making/abomination language that Daniel 9:27 seems to require.
• In short: 66–70 AD is important and typological, but the full suite of Daniel 9:27 details (covenant with many, abomination, global consequences, consummation) are not exhaustively matched by the Zealot activity recorded by Josephus.

5) On Matthew 24, 2 Thessalonians 2 and the scope of fulfillment​

You assert strongly that Matthew 24 and 2 Thess 2 are fulfilled in AD 70. That is a legitimate preterist position (especially full preterism or classical preterism). A few balanced observations:

• Partial/preterist readings: Many elements of Jesus’ Olivet discourse refer to the coming destruction of the Temple and the judgment on Jerusalem (AD 70). Jesus uses that event as a type or foreshadow of the final Day of the Lord.
• Futurist/continued-fulfillment readings: Other elements in Matthew 24 (cosmic signs, Son of Man coming, angelic gathering) are read by many as future or multiple-stage fulfillments. That is why NT writers (Paul, John) still speak of future events in terms similar to Daniel’s.

So your claim that “all of Matthew 24 happened 70 AD” is a strongly held interpretive stance with good internal logic but it’s not the only biblical reading. It’s important to show which verses you take as strictly AD-70 and which you allow to have a future or double application.

6) On the date of Revelation​

You reject the late date (Domitianic 90s AD) and favor an early date (you said 41 AD). Two notes:

• Almost all patristic testimony and early tradition assign Revelation to the Domitianic period (c. 95 AD). Fathers like Irenaeus explicitly connect it to Domitian’s time. That’s why critical scholarship overwhelmingly favors the 90s dating.
• An early date (c. 60s or earlier) is a minority position; a 41 AD date has virtually no attestation in early tradition and raises serious problems with the John authorship and the book’s relationship to later persecution imagery.

If you choose an early date, you must wrestle with the external testimony of the early church and with internal indicators such as the state of the seven churches and the references to an existing imperial cult. It’s not impossible to argue early, but it is a heavy revision of patristic consensus.

7) On “vision & prophecy sealed up by 70 AD”​

You cite Daniel 9:24 (the vision being sealed) and propose the sealing is accomplished in AD 70. Some remarks:

• Daniel himself is told the vision will be sealed until the time of the end (Dan 12:4,9). Many read “sealed” as meaning sealed in part kept until later clarity rather than “completely stopped and never to be opened again.”
• The NT (Jesus, Paul, John) continues to use Danielic language after AD 70, which suggests that even if AD 70 realized certain patterns, the biblical canon continues to interpret and expand Danielic themes. That argues for continuing rather than final sealing.

Blessings
Pastor Waris

A student at a Christian college in California has launched her own pro-life club after school officials denied her request to start a Students for Life of America chapter on campus, citing concerns about maintaining political neutrality.

Linda-Isabella Rendon, a sophomore and pre-nursing major at Vanguard University, has formed a pro-life club that is separate from Students for Life of America, the national pro-life organization that trains young people to advocate against abortion on college and high school campuses.

SFLA's sister organization, Students for Life Action, mobilizes young people to impact public policy decisions and elections related to abortion.

The office of Amanda Lebrecht, the university's vice president of student development, told The Christian Post in a statement that the school's policies don't permit clubs "affiliated with political advocacy initiatives." Lebrecht's office said that it initially denied Rendon's request to form an SFLA chapter on campus because the pro-life group is a national organization engaged in political advocacy.

"However, because Vanguard University and the student share equal beliefs in the sanctity of life for the unborn, we were determined to work together to find a solution that would allow the important work of the proposed club to occur," Lebrecht's statement clarified. "We were able to collaborate with the student on an alternative option to form an independent service club that champions the unborn and supports women who are choosing to have children."

Continued below.

Squad" Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, D-N.Y., is keeping silent on whether she still stands by her ten-year deadline for action laid out in the Green New Deal

Back when Ocasio-Cortez first introduced the Green New Deal in the House of Representatives in 2019, she framed climate change as an existential threat that required a ten-year intensity of sweeping changes in U.S. energy policy.

The sun shines with a colour temperature of 5778 Kelvin.
S.: wicki

And one cried unto another, and said, Holy, holy, holy, is the Lord of hosts: the whole earth is full of his glory. Isa 6:3
וקרא זה אל־זה ואמר קדוש קדוש קדוש יהוה צבאות מלא כל־הארץ כבודו

Holy, Hebrew qadosh, has a gematria of 410

qadosh (Holy)
קָדוֹשׁ
19. ק Quph 100
4. ד Dalet 4
6. ו Vav 6
21. שׂ שׁ Shin/Sin 300
Σ 410

In the 5778th Fibonacci number, the number 410 appears a total of 3 times!

f5778 =
1517400986972956561197059963036709561778723906375779683331489852623635556770802664570510712363457149
3241038368011966824902666745982480378200144472701194232036868735156885675612875939961907300266375758
0877401310146702968348722201963470326260010623529393624581164793477381752118615257677392669819397127
1240911194872766393545258331050414686067234790654789281352629558186092303927712577708774887379563961
8334850284853709943661275999386718420173513123187601502815173699289084999933537906838341278936411237
9758684740073896868277529992066715046004193058458247510634072576047132958387627995870579569405582599
3000560882135819954549681692079659198845388394615772486215900126164370475160435343052181785735770679
9673671379631838502331046015375222815442913563120563605357243891613377914996816269645681532217696548
6585221822842511206609147917975431194307377424414925343977632031052076481020985601574105079431218979
5934270081819289107255167783248764271876359200214847657267591188240947026324174788202656399292054682
3062533946556473988491688855032810066586561092943931473478410353997197970037804705915657855311140822
6118284739186934138403430618006955101110666416613548403573133185788759471201090065049449959112346460
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namely in the 103rd, 885th and 1059th positions.

103+885+1059 = 2047!

2047 is the gematria of the only verse in Scripture that refers to the number 284



All the Levites in the holy city were two hundred fourscore and four. Neh 11:18
כלהלוים בעיר הקדש מאתים שמנים וארבעה

The expression

All the Levites in the holy city

has a gematria of 832, just like erets Yisrael, meaning the Land of Israel

erets Yisrael (Land of Israel)
ארץ ישראל
1. א Alef 1
20. ר Resh 200
18. צ Tsadik 90
10. י Yud 10
21. שׂ שׁ Shin/Sin 300
20. ר Resh 200
1. א Alef 1
12. ל Lamed 30
Σ 832

This is the 12607th verse in the authorised King James Bible.



The number 832 appears in π at position 12607!



And what about the number 284, the number of Levites?

And the four beasts had each of them six wings about him; and they were full of eyes within: and they rest not day and night, saying, Holy, holy, holy, Lord G-d Almighty, which was, and is, and is to come. Rev 4:8
καὶ τὰ τέσσαρα ζῷα, ἓν καθ’ ἓν αὐτῶν ἔχων ἀνὰ πτέρυγας ἕξ, κυκλόθεν καὶ ἔσωθεν γέμουσιν ὀφθαλμῶν· καὶ ἀνάπαυσιν οὐκ ἔχουσιν ἡμέρας καὶ νυκτὸς λέγοντες Ἅγιος ἅγιος ἅγιος Κύριος ὁ Θεός ὁ Παντοκράτωρ, ὁ ἦν καὶ ὁ ὢν καὶ ὁ ἐρχόμενος.

Holy, Greek hagios has the gematria 284

hagios (Holy)
ἅγιος
1. Αα Alpha 1
3. Γγ Gamma 3
10. Ιι lota 10
16. Οο Omicron 70
20. Σσςϲ Sigma 200
Σ 284

All the Levites in the holy city were two hundred fourscore and four. Neh 11:18
כלהלוים בעיר הקדש מאתים שמנים וארבעה

The expression

two hundred fourscore and four

has the gematria 1215

Total = 1215
Original Text
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מאתים 491
שמנים 440
וארבעה 284

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Starting from position 1215 in Φ, the following 5 numbers are 04444



The word G-d appears (0)4444 times in the inspired King James Bible 1769!
Note: In the Hebrew number system, there is no notation for zero

Bob S said:

I reject your reasoning because now the week ends and now starts at the IDL not at the longitude the Sabbath was given.

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the longitude of where Sabbath was given (Eden?, Mt Sinai?) would not be the biblical IDL it would be the biblical Prime Meridian which is the furthest point away from the IDL. if Israel is the PM the IDL would run someone down Alaska. placing the IDL arbitrary somewhere in the Pacific doesn't change how days work, the solar hours of the day work exactly the same and provided it's far enough away from Israel (which it is) Israel would have an uninterrupted Sabbath.

if the IDL was placed through Israel it would have massive impact for Sabbath obverser there as your neighbour may be on a completely different day. for Sabbath observers based on the current system it would effect anyone in-between the modern IDL and this inferred biblical IDL which probably doesn't effect a lot of people since it's mostly ocean but if it were a concern for those impacted they would just have to keep Sabbath a day earlier. (but Israel is still unaffected by this)

based on where the IDL is now the Samoa islands and the American Samoa Islands have the biggest impact, less then an hour flight and the IDL runs between them. so if there were those who commuted (which is not unreasonable) they would leave one day, travel about an hour, and arrive at the same local time just a full 24 hr off. (if this was based on a PM aligned with Israel this problem would be in Alaska).

as I'm sure you can imagine this wasn't a problem for Moses. no one could travel that fast or that far and when travelling people would keep days based on how they observe them with no conflicts with the IDL as it was beyond their reach. this begs the question that the Sabbath might have never been designed for modern day intercontinental travelling and no matter where you draw the IDL problems will arrise. this is similar to Ramadhan for Muslims as there are places of the earth where potentially you would have very little light (or not at all) so in practice fasting would have no impact, or the reverse where there's constant light making the fast not sustainable. Ramadhan was not built for the far reaches of the earth and it exposes a problem in the system. the difference with Sabbath is it absolutely designed for all and to the ends of the earth, but in its spiritual application not it's physical. the latter is limited just like Ramadhan, since no matter where you draw the line there will always be an area where with a single step you miss the Sabbath but as a spiritual application through Christ the Sabbath is available for all and everywhere (unlike Ramadhan)

martinlb said:

Thanks for the thoughtful replies about the KJV. I wasn't thinking about that version of the bible but I can now see how I shouldn't have entitled this thread "KJV".

What I meant to bring up is how some people actually speak, or try to speak, in King James English. And the to the best of my knowledge King James style speaking is around 700 years old. What's the reason for using it?

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Touching the question of who yet doth speak in such a guise, seek ye out William Shakespeare's Star Wars: Verily, A New Hope. In sooth, it doth exist.

In a more serious vein, it persists because it's in public domain and there have been some real "winners" when it comes to English translations of the bible.

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Have they tried the Splunge Plan? It restores and doesn't restore the subsidies, and it isn't indecisive.

[ Posting in fellowship, out of curiosity and care. I'm taking as given that we're talking about a celibate male priesthood. ]

The points raised in this article about loneliness seem like they shouldn't be new. Life in a community of monks or nuns has companionship and community, a kind of family. But a parish priest isn't surrounded by a community of peers in the same way. He has his congregation, but there's always going to be a certain distance there, because of the authority he holds. So it seems like the life of a parish priest is always a life of solitude -- caring for others without support for one's self -- and carrying the risk of loneliness and exhaustion.

Has it always been this way, or were there support systems in past centuries that we don't have now? Did people used to serve as priests in the villages where they grew up, so they had friends and family in the village? Or do most parishes have multiple priests, so they can support each other? In the past, how did priests find connection and friends and community, and what is different now?

RileyG said:

Yup. It’s driven by materialistic wants. Stores want $$$$ so people spend money on things that aren’t necessarily needed. I’m very guilty of this.

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I am a little older, but schools really need to hone on two things. The first is civics if that is still a thing. Should be mandatory. The second is just straight life schools like money, budgets, home mortgages, appreciation vs depreciation, interest rates specially compound interest rates. The other thing is congress needs to act against predatory lenders. There was a org in place that looked after consumers. Of course that got trashed by the current admin.

Servus said:

Because you're trying to manipulate me into doing what you want. Therefore it's not going to happen, even if you spend the next five pages trying.

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There is no need for manipulation in this matter. The answer is already well understood by both of us. The arithmetic calculation I am referencing cannot be completed. This fact is evident to you, to me, and to the rest of the American public. Nevertheless, you continue to defend President Trump's announcement regarding the distribution of $2,000 to every American family.

I've been listening to a number of AI songs lately, and they seem to have some predictable patterns. The problem is that the following song, although performed by real people, seems to have the exact same patterns. The lyrics fit with the theme of the song, but they don't quite make sense.

Which leads me to wonder, even if AI performers don't take over the music industry, will AI sneak into the music industry in less noticeable ways. For example, will songwriting become AI driven, whether credited as such or not. Even if the performers are real, how will you know if the songs were AI created or not?

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The economy is doing swimmingly well. Everyone knows that "affordability" is just a Democratic con job.