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Hentenza · 2025-12-10T19:32:56-0600

Studyman said:
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I find it so amazing that you can not grasp this simple truth that is revealed on the very first sentence of your AI generated post.

Wow just wow. The ignorance just amazes me. I’m done with you. You have no credibility here and are a false witness. Do not reply to my posts again.

prodromos · 2025-12-10T19:32:42-0600

Login to view embedded media This is a short video from a balloon at 121,000ft, from just before the balloon burst. As the camera is falling and the horizon goes from one side of the centre to the other, you can see the effect of the fishey lens distortion, bending the horizon up and down, but if you pause the video and step through one frame at a time, you can find frames where the horizon passes through the centre and is not being distorted. You can see for yourself that the horizon is not flat. No doubt you will call bollocks on what your own eyes can see.

Ivan Hlavanda · 2025-12-10T19:32:25-0600

Job 33:6 said:
In academic biblical studies, a significant proportion of respected scholars interpret Adam as archetypal, symbolic, or theological, not necessarily historical.

Romans 5:12 Therefore, just as sin came into the world through one man, and death through sin, and so death spread to all men because all sinned

How can we have all sinned in one man, if Adam was not the first person created and he was only an allegory?

Adam was a person, who represented the whole humanity. Adam was commanded by God to eat from every tree except from one. He was created on the 6th day, and Eve was created from him. 1 Timothy 2:13-15 For Adam was formed first, then Eve; and Adam was not deceived, but the woman was deceived and became a transgressor. Yet she will be saved through childbearing—if they continue in faith and love and holiness, with self-control.

In Mark 10:6-9 Jesus affirms Adam and Eve as historical people. You even have the lineage from Adam to Noah and their ages. Was that symbolic too? Why would God bother with their ages if they were symbolic? Were all these people symbolic? Who was the real person in Jesus' lineage, when does it start? Enoch? Noah? Moses? Did Cain kills Abel symbolically also? What about Abel's and Cain's offerings? It all falls apart if we don't take the text literally.

1 Cor 15:45 also confirms literal Adam "So it is written: 'The first man Adam became a living being'; the last Adam, a life-giving spirit".

To sum it up, the New Testament does not treat Genesis 3 as allegory, does not treat it as myth. If you study the New Testament, you will find a number of references to Adam. One of them is in the genealogy of Jesus in Luke chapter 3 verse 38. The genealogy of Jesus starts from Adam through his son all the way down to the Lord Himself. You will find New Testament references to Satan as the serpent in the Garden as the one who lied to Eve, as the one who deceived Eve. You will find references to Eve as the one being deceived. So the New Testament gives many, many references back to Genesis chapter 3, and all of them treat it as actual people, a man named Adam, a woman named Eve, in a garden, and a serpent who was none other than the devil and Satan. There are, in every case where references made to this event, no indications that it is anything other than actual history. Even Jude 1:14 says Enoch, identifying him in human chronology, was the seventh from Adam. Adam was the first man, Eve was the first woman, and this is the real story of how sin came into the world.

jonojim1337 · 2025-12-10T19:29:42-0600

Bro.T said:
I agree, but Grace is nothing more than a free gift. And that free gift is our access back to the tree of life (Jesus) which Adam caused us to lose by disobeying God. Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned: (Romans 5: 12) But to maintain your grace you must keep the law. (1John 3:4) Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law. Now we have just read the biblical definition of sin, the transgression (breaking) of the law (commandments.) It doesn’t matter what you or I think sin is, it’s what God says sin is that counts.

”Therefore anyone who sets aside one of the least of these commands and teaches others accordingly will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven.”

Keeping or not keeping commandments has nothing to do with if you are in the kingdom or not.

Christsfreeservant · 2025-12-10T19:27:59-0600

Go, lay your life down.
It’s not yours to own.
It’s bought with a price,
With blood, shed, atoned.

Our Lord paid the price
So we could be free
From slavery to sin,
His servants to be.

We now die to sin,
And obey our Lord,
And walk in His love,
All in one accord.

Sin must not control
How we are to live,
For we now serve Christ,
Our lives to Him give.

We go where He says,
And speak His commands.
We follow His lead.
On Him we depend.

He now rules our lives,
Not flesh and not self,
For by his good grace
We put self on the shelf.

So living for Him
Is now what we do,
For our sinful lives
He came to undo.

All praises to Him.
From God comes His grace,
So we can now run
And win in the race.

An Original Work / December 10, 2025
Christ’s Free Servant, Sue J Love

d taylor · 2025-12-10T19:27:11-0600

Dan Perez said:
And GLAD to see you AND I LOVE when all would give a verse for your belief. and always GLAD to exchange

anyone. POSOITIONS. and as you know that I always GIVE. with the GREEK WORD and tying to explain what the TENSE
CASES so that everyone will see that I have NOT ADDED or . TALKEN AWAY. from. any verse and any one will. see that OLD

COVEMNANT has been TAKEN AWAY. and Heb 9:18. says that the blood of ANIMAL does not take AWAY TAKE. AWAY
SIN. and that ONLY the JESUS BLOOD. can take away sin. to be SAVED and remember EPH 1:3 CHOSEN

IN. him. BEFORE // PRO the OVER THROW. of the WORLD. !!

And. if. the NEW COVENANT for today , no one has yet explained how anyone is saved by the NEW COVENANT. !!

dan p

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Most assuredly, I say to you, he who believes in Me has everlasting life.

Studyman · 2025-12-10T19:27:09-0600

Hentenza said:
@Studyman

Here is my OP again. I’m going to post real slow so you can comprehend what I am posting. No AI was used.

“The writings of Ellen White, a prophet of the Seventh Day Adventist church, teach that those who worship on Sunday will receive the mark of the beast and will reject the seal of God. In other words, the vast majority of Christians are doomed for worshipping our Lord on Sunday instead of Saturday.

(These are my own words. No AI here)

Here are her writings:

(“Her” refers to Ellen White in case you missed it)

Reception of Mark of the Beast Future—The change of the Sabbath is the sign or mark of the authority of the Romish church.

Hentenza said:
@Studyman

Here is my OP again. I’m going to post real slow so you can comprehend what I am posting. No AI was used.

“The writings of Ellen White, a prophet of the Seventh Day Adventist church, teach that those who worship on Sunday will receive the mark of the beast and will reject the seal of God. In other words, the vast majority of Christians are doomed for worshipping our Lord on Sunday instead of Saturday.

(These are my own words. No AI here)

Here are her writings:

(“Her” refers to Ellen White in case you missed it)

Reception of Mark of the Beast Future—"The change of the Sabbath" is the sign or mark of the authority of the Romish church.

There is nothing here about worshipping on Sunday, Monday or any day of the week, as causing men to receive "the mark of the beast". As I said, and you completely ignored, the issue is the "re-writing" of a Commandment of God. Miller and White contested the Roman Catholics authority to re-write God's Commandments. That is the issue. It has nothing to do with what day to worship God, as no one is saying not to worship God on any day.

Here is your sermon; “The writings of Ellen White, a prophet of the Seventh Day Adventist church, teach that those "who worship on Sunday" will receive the mark of the beast and will reject the seal of God. In other words, the vast majority of Christians are doomed for worshipping our Lord on Sunday instead of Saturday.

There is no one, including SDA, that is forbidding the worship of God on any day of the week, let alone Sunday. It's right there in your own AI generated post. The issue is the Change of the Commandment.

I find it so amazing that you can not grasp this simple truth that is revealed on the very first sentence of your AI generated post.

CLEEB · 2025-12-10T19:27:00-0600

Well

Hentenza said:
Yep. I do, however, the SDA considers the 4th commandment to be a moral commandment. This means that those going to services on Sunday are sinning and if they don’t repent then they are lost. Quite the legalism.

, a person who is under the law, the Ten Commandments, is indeed bound to keep them all however the church is not under the Ten Commandments and Is free to worship GOD every day. I feel only one day is insufficient when you live your life n Christ. The church is under the two greatest of all commandments Jesus gave us. The rest of the unconverted are under the Ten Commandments until they come to Christ. Remember, the law, the Ten Commandments, are a schoolmaster to us before our conversion but afterwards we no longer need a schoolmaster. The law was to show us we are sinners under a death sentence with the only escape being a messiah with a new covenant.

jonojim1337 · 2025-12-10T19:23:14-0600

prodromos said:
I had a look at a few of them. No jagged edges, especially when you zoom in.

Hard to get a high res photo anyway. Find me something credible where you can see the rest of the moon and maybe I’ll change my mind. Just kidding I won’t.

prodromos said:
That is what you are full of.

Something’s wong.

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Yarddog · 2025-12-10T19:20:38-0600

Oompa Loompa said:
Terrorist enemy combatants

It takes two to tango. Combatants is defined as "a person or nation engaged in fighting during a war." In this case, it's only Americans involved. Venezuela isn't at war with the US. That means that the people on the boats weren't combatants, since they are not at war with America.

1Tonne · 2025-12-10T19:20:37-0600

Jipsah said:
How big a sin does it require to make God turn into a merciless, implacable monster?

Why would you imply that God's justice makes God a monster?

sjastro · 2025-12-10T19:18:04-0600

Hans Blaster said:
Tempates? Not sure what those are in this context. I thought his neurons were repeatedly firing in the same wrong way.

There are posters who get caught in loops and obsessions (mr. thalidomide comes to mind) and keep coming back to the same things even when not applicable.

It is so weird, since even the video in the first post is about physical evidence of civilization and settlement earlier than previously appreciated plus a bit of speculation.

Maybe @stevevw shows a bit more more variety in his responses to you but in my case the template is the same tired old script, images presented as evidence when in reality they do not even represent what he thinks they are and the absence of peer reviewed reports refuting his pseudoscience.
What we are observing is classic cognitive dissonance, he retreats into delusion when his faith based arguments are brought into question.

RDKirk · 2025-12-10T19:17:37-0600

essentialsaltes said:
Trump says U.S. seized oil tanker off the coast of Venezuela
U.S. forces have seized an oil tanker off the coast of Venezuela, President Donald Trump said Wednesday.

“We’ve just seized a tanker on the coast of Venezuela — a large tanker,” Trump said during a meeting in the Roosevelt Room at the White House. He provided no detail on who owned the tanker or its destination.

[Trump] would not rule out a ground invasion of the South American nation.

(Ok, armchair generals, what sort of response would be justified for this provocation?)

That sounds like piracy to me.

MarkSB · 2025-12-10T19:16:36-0600

probinson said:
Did you see the increase in number of VAERS repots during COVID? Even though there were clearly fake reports, exactly how many reports do you think constitutes a "significant trend"? There's no doubt there's "noise" in this data, but there's also some very real "trends"that warranted further investigation. That didn't stop the government and public health from telling everyone to get vaccinated multiple times per year. Their booster recommendations during the Biden administration resulted in the top two vaccine regulators at the FDA resigning in protest.

The bottom line is, what you're saying sounds great. If VAERS were used in the way you explain, it would be a wonderful system to identify risks and pivot accordingly. But that's not what happens in practice. In practice, people pretend like the fact that there were over 1,000,000 VAERS reports in a single year when the previous high was around 60K is all just "noise" worthy of being ignored.

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I'm by no means an expert on VAERS, but health care professionals didn't ignore the VAERS reports on the COVID vaccine, as you are claiming they did. They go out and collect more data and determine if the reports are legitimate. The vast majority of those reports were no doubt determined to be not related to the vaccine. And this determination was made by health care professionals who go out and look at actual evidence.

Also - COVID was a highly politicized pandemic. It was also the most widespread pandemic to take place in the age of the internet - an age where false information spreads very rapidly. With those factors in mind, it is very much believable that we would see a spike in false/inaccurate reports in the VAERS system like had never been seem before. It was a global event unlike anything we have seen in recent history.

walter45 · 2025-12-10T19:14:34-0600

Jipsah said:
What bearing does that have on AI?

Nothing. I just feel they are too important commands.

PloverWing · 2025-12-10T19:13:25-0600

RamiC said:
So are political messages the norm in USA churches?

No, but sometimes issues of ethics intersect with issues of faith, and issues of public policy can in turn intersect with issues of ethics. The church shouldn't be saying "elect Joe Smith for Senate", but the church might be called to say "this government policy is unjust". It's not always an easy line to draw.

Hentenza · 2025-12-10T19:12:14-0600

CLEEB said:
What if you worship the Lord 7 days a week ?

Yep. I do, however, the SDA considers the 4th commandment to be a moral commandment. This means that those going to services on Sunday are sinning and if they don’t repent then they are lost. Quite the legalism.

Ivan Hlavanda · 2025-12-10T19:08:42-0600

Yarddog said:
I haven't heard of a metaphorical Adam but there is a deeper meaning of Adam than the literal. It's allegorical.

What then, were the authors of Genesis 2-3 and of Romans 5, who both speak of Adam, intending to convey? Genesis 2-3 does not show any of signs of “exalted prose narrative” or poetry. It reads as the account of real events; it looks like history.

CLEEB · 2025-12-10T19:08:04-0600

Hentenza said:
@Studyman

Here is my OP again. I’m going to post real slow so you can comprehend what I am posting. No AI was used.

“The writings of Ellen White, a prophet of the Seventh Day Adventist church, teach that those who worship on Sunday will receive the mark of the beast and will reject the seal of God. In other words, the vast majority of Christians are doomed for worshipping our Lord on Sunday instead of Saturday.

(These are my own words. No AI here)

Here are her writings:

(“Her” refers to Ellen White in case you missed it)

Reception of Mark of the Beast Future—The change of the Sabbath is the sign or mark of the authority of the Romish church. Those who, understanding the claims of the fourth commandment, choose to observe the false sabbath in the place of the true, are thereby paying homage to that power by which alone it is commanded. The mark of the beast is the papal sabbath, which has been accepted by the world in the place of the day of God’s appointment. Ev 234.1
No one has yet received the mark of the beast. The testing time has not yet come. There are true Christians in every church, not excepting the Roman Catholic communion. None are condemned until they have had the light and have seen the obligation of the fourth commandment. But when the decree shall go forth enforcing the counterfeit sabbath, and the loud cry of the third angel shall warn men against the worship of the beast and his image, the line will be clearly drawn between the false and the true. Then those who still continue in transgression will receive the mark of the beast. Ev 234.2
With rapid steps we are approaching this period. When Protestant churches shall unite with the secular power to sustain a false religion, for opposing which their ancestors endured the fiercest persecution, then will the papal sabbath be enforced by the combined authority of church and state. There will be a national apostasy, which will end only in national ruin.—Manuscript 51, 1899. Ev 235.1
When Seal of God Is Refused—If the light of truth has been presented to you, revealing the Sabbath of the fourth commandment, and showing that there is no foundation in the Word of God for Sunday observance, and yet you still cling to the false sabbath, refusing to keep holy the Sabbath which God calls “My holy day,” you receive the mark of the beast. When does this take place? When you obey the decree that commands you to cease from labor on Sunday and worship God, while you know that there is not a word in the Bible showing Sunday to be other than a common working day, you consent to receive the mark of the beast, and refuse the seal of God.—The Review and Herald, July 13, 1897. Ev 235.2
As a Result of Disregard of Light—God has given men the Sabbath as a sign between Him and them, as a test of their loyalty. Those who, after the light regarding God’s law comes to them, continue to disobey and exalt human laws above the law of God in the great crisis before us will receive the mark of the beast.—Letter 98, 1900. Ev 235.3
Caution in Presenting the Sunday Question—[We are] not to provoke those who have accepted this spurious sabbath, an institution of the Papacy in the place of God’s holy Sabbath. Their not having the Bible arguments in their favor makes them all the more angry and determined to supply the place of arguments that are wanting in the Word of God by the power of their might. The force of persecution follows the steps of the dragon. Therefore great care should be exercised to give no provocation.—Letter 55, 1886. Ev 235.4
Let the Truth Do the Cutting—Satan’s efforts against the advocates of the truth will wax more bitter and determined to the very close of time. As in Christ’s day the chief priests and rulers stirred up the people against Him, so today the religious leaders will excite bitterness and prejudice against the truth for this time. The people will be led to acts of violence and opposition which they would never have thought of had they not been imbued with the animosity of professed Christians against the truth. Ev 236.1
And what course shall the advocates of truth pursue? They have the unchangeable, eternal Word of God, and they should reveal the fact that they have the truth as it is in Jesus. Their words must not be rugged and sharp. In their presentation of truth they must manifest the love and meekness and gentleness of Christ. Let the truth do the cutting; the Word of God is as a sharp, two-edged sword, and will cut its way to the heart. Those who know that they have the truth should not, by the use of harsh and severe expressions, give Satan one chance to misinterpret their spirit.—The Review and Herald, October 14, 1902. Ev 236.2
A Call to Enlighten the Masses—I have been shown that Satan is stealing a march upon us. The law of God, through the agency of Satan, is to be made void. In our land of boasted freedom, religious liberty will come to an end. The contest will be decided over the Sabbath question, which will agitate the whole world. Ev 236.3
Our time for work is limited, and God calls us as ministers and people to be minutemen. Teachers as wise as serpents and as harmless as doves must come to the help of the Lord, to the help of the Lord against the mighty. There are many who do not understand the prophecies relating to these days, and they must be enlightened.—Letter 1, 1875. Ev 237.1

(These are Ellen White’s words from the LINK below. If you don’t know how to open it then just click on the blue word evangelism. No AI here).

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Is Ellen White correct? Are those that worship our Lord on Sunday doomed to receive the mark of the beast?

(These are also my words. No AI here).

What if you worship the Lord 7 days a week ?

timothyu · 2025-12-10T19:00:50-0600

narnia59 said:
Do you think Adam and Eve were bound to fall?

Yes or God wouldn't have given them a command

Oompa Loompa · 2025-12-10T18:59:03-0600

Yarddog said:
criminals

Terrorist enemy combatants

Jipsah · 2025-12-10T18:52:54-0600

Tom8907 said:
He does not appear to comprehend the seriousness of sin.

How big a sin does it require to make God turn into a merciless, implacable monster?

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