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Overcoming by the Word of their testimony...

Hi there,

Revelation 12:11
And they have conquered him by the blood of the Lamb and by the word of their testimony, for they loved not their lives even unto death.

I am interested in comments on what is meant by "the word of their testimony"

Also - who exactly is being referred to - who is 'they' ???

Trump administration says sign language services ‘intrude’ on Trump’s ability to control his image

I'm pretty sure that forcing disabled people to purchase something just to have access to government pronouncements is an ADA violation.
Should they also recieve free shuttle to and from home? Gas costs money.
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Trump administration says sign language services ‘intrude’ on Trump’s ability to control his image

Any number of speech to text devices starting with an ordinary phone.
I'm pretty sure that forcing disabled people to purchase something just to have access to government pronouncements is an ADA violation.
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Anyone up for a chat thread?

For Brisbane prediction is 34 Celsius today (getting on for 95 Fahrenheit), witih humidity about 63%.

The next few days will be a bit cooler, but then it will start to heat up again.

No surprise - it's usually warm or hot at this time of year and doesn't start to cool down till March.

Our winters are balmy, but our summers are too hot.

I remember just flipping the TV when one of those shows where people are looking for a new home happened to be on.

One couple were in Cornwall, England (I think) but it happened they also lived in Brisbane, Australia, which prompted me to watch for a few minutes as I'm generally not interested in those sorts of shows (or cooking shows, or Big Brother garbage). Being from the Brisbane area myself I was mildly interested in their reasons.

They made the comment that Brisbane was hot and humid in summer but great in winter. They were looking for a summer retreat in a cooler climate. He was a builder so I suppose they could afford to do it.
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Denaturalization

Citizenship in Judaism is by religious practice. What makes a person a Jew? You can't fell Jew's to denounce they ARE Jews. And you cannot tell Israel as a country they cannot consider foreign born Jews as Jews. You can be all kinds of nationalities in Islam. Circumcision does not make you automatically Saudi Arabian.
Why are you bringing circumcision into a discussion on Trump's wanting to end dual citizenship in America? If dual citizenship were to be barred by law here with having another citizenship would get you American citizenship revoked. My question is if Jews would be the sole exception. You seem to be arguing in favor that they would be.
Because it matters to Jews. It is their religion. What is the exception? They do not need one. And you cannot tell Israel they cannot consider them Jews either. Now they have reclaimed their homeland. Just leave them alone.
No one would be removing the Israeli citizenship, just the American one should this not be the exception. This isn't about Israel, this is about the American president wanting to forbid dual citizenship - American only. Jews would be free to choose to remain American and forfeit their Israeli citizenship or they can claim Israeli citizenship and forfeit their American one - unless there is a special condition just for them.
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Ilhan Omar blasted over resurfaced comments on Somali influence in the US as Elon Musk suggests she committed treason

The Biden administration pushed as much toward a completely open border as they could get away with. Letting in 10 to 20 million people swamped our resources
Never happened.
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Is there a Christian political philosophy?

Perhaps one would enjoy starting a new thread in the Conspiracy Theories subforum to discuss their loyalty to dead governments. I simply believe that a functioning Christian political philosophy must function in terms of living governments and active authorities, rather than dead ones.

Have a good day.
Not if they steal from Caesar.
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Denaturalization

Right, so what? I was talking about dual citizenship, not religious practices in the post you quoted.
Citizenship in Judaism is by religious practice. What makes a person a Jew? You can't fell Jew's to denounce they ARE Jews. And you cannot tell Israel as a country they cannot consider foreign born Jews as Jews. You can be all kinds of nationalities in Islam. Circumcision does not make you automatically Saudi Arabian.

Then why in the world are you addressing that question to me when my remark - that you quoted - was about dual citizenship and whether Jews would get an exception? Your posts make no sense as replies to me.
Because it matters to Jews. It is their religion. What is the exception? They do not need one. And you cannot tell Israel they cannot consider them Jews either. Now they have reclaimed their homeland. Just leave them alone.
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Denaturalization

No, circumcision goes on independent of country. it is a religious practice. Circumcision was done in Egypt while they were slaves, before Israel was even a nation.
Right, so what? I was talking about dual citizenship, not religious practices in the post you quoted.
So what? That does not say anything about where they live either.
Then why in the world are you addressing that question to me when my remark - that you quoted - was about dual citizenship and whether Jews would get an exception? Your posts make no sense as replies to me.
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Ilhan Omar blasted over resurfaced comments on Somali influence in the US as Elon Musk suggests she committed treason

You need to remember that the Biden administration insisted that the border was safe, secure, and closed, one of the biggest government hoaxes in American history. Some, such as Victor Davis Hanson, would put the number at the lower end of the range I provided, 10-12 million while others at the higher or even higher. We really don't know how many totally evaded detection but it is reasonable to assume that those are not people likely to fill out surveys. I understand the effort to downplay the numbers, be aware that much of it comes from the same people who were participants in the Biden administration hoax.
Uh-huh. You stated before that 20M people came in illegally over the border during the Biden administration but the total number of all illegal immigrants which include those who arrived in the decades before Biden is around 20M. That's a number Donald spouts from time to time but he is famously a fabulist.
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Is there a Christian political philosophy?

I see no point with arguing with insane posts.



One cannot steal from Caesar what does not belong to him, and what belongs to him is denarii. One cannot steal nonexistent denarii from a Caesar who does not exist. One cannot be penalized for flaunting the authority of a nonexistent government.

Christ, not Caesar, is Lord, and He will judge the living and the dead.
Alotta stuff belongs to Caesar and it is bound to be taken back some day. You wanna hope it doesn’t happen, you do you.

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Why we are not supposed to keep the Sabbath

Historical context. The mosaic law was given 430 years after Abraham.

“Now the promises were spoken to Abraham and to his seed. He does not say, “And to seeds,” as one would in referring to many, but rather as in referring to one, “And to your seed,” that is, Christ. What I am saying is this: the Law, which came 430 years later, does not invalidate a covenant previously ratified by God, so as to nullify the promise.”
‭‭Galatians‬ ‭3‬:‭16‬-‭17‬ ‭NASB2020‬‬

This is just poor translation. It is talking about the covenant of the promise (better translations include “in Christ”) and not the covenant of circumcision/blood oath through animals.

Hebrews 8:13
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Denaturalization

If everyone has to choose a single citizenship, then they can choose Israeli in accordance with their religious practice.
No, circumcision goes on independent of country. it is a religious practice. Circumcision was done in Egypt while they were slaves, before Israel was even a nation.
Um, what? Muslim also circumcise and lots of Christians as well....what's that got to do with dual citizenship or the denial of it?
So what? That does not say anything about where they live either.
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Denaturalization

How? their citizenship is a religious practice.
If everyone has to choose a single citizenship, then they can choose Israeli in accordance with their religious practice.
We can't demand Jew's to not circumcise their males. Nor to circumcise a proselyte?
Um, what? Muslim also circumcise and lots of Christians as well....what's that got to do with dual citizenship or the denial of it?
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Zions New Children

There is plenty of verses that prove that the Lords Christian peoples will go to live in all of the Holy Land. The culmination of the whole saga of the Middle East region.
I did not ask for you to repeat your whole thesis across this thread again - as if I had not read it before in 5 years of you doing this! (It's full of the very errors I have critiqued above.)

I asked you to go back and look at the EXACT verses I quoted in their EXACT context - and you refuse to do so.
Because if you acknowledge those prophecies were about THOSE nations - then what else is?
Because if the promises of returning to Jerusalem were to THAT generation a lifetime AFTER THAT exile - then what else is?

But you are right in that sometimes Isaiah refers to more future focussed, gospel focussed, sometimes eternally focussed realities.
And sometimes he does not! Sometimes he's reminding Israel of what is coming for them - there and then - with Assyria and Babylon. Context is a thing! So by the time we get to Isaiah 13 we've already been warned that Israel is going to be destroyed, and by whom.

Yet Isaiah 13 goes onto say that the instruments of God's judgement against Israel will themselves be judged.

13 A prophecy against Babylon that Isaiah son of Amoz saw:
2 Raise a banner on a bare hilltop,
shout to them;
beckon to them
to enter the gates of the nobles.
3 I have commanded those I prepared for battle;
I have summoned my warriors to carry out my wrath—
those who rejoice in my triumph.
4 Listen, a noise on the mountains,
like that of a great multitude!
Listen, an uproar among the kingdoms,
like nations massing together!
The Lord Almighty is mustering
an army for war.
5 They come from faraway lands,
from the ends of the heavens—
the Lord and the weapons of his wrath—
to destroy the whole country.
6 Wail, for the day of the Lord is near;
it will come like destruction from the Almighty.

7 Because of this, all hands will go limp,
every heart will melt with fear.
8 Terror will seize them,
pain and anguish will grip them;
they will writhe like a woman in labor.
They will look aghast at each other,
their faces aflame.
9 See, the day of the Lord is coming
—a cruel day, with wrath and fierce anger—
to make the land desolate
and destroy the sinners within it.
10 The stars of heaven and their constellations
will not show their light.
The rising sun will be darkened
and the moon will not give its light.

11 I will punish the world for its evil,
the wicked for their sins.
I will put an end to the arrogance of the haughty
and will humble the pride of the ruthless.
12 I will make people scarcer than pure gold,
more rare than the gold of Ophir.
13 Therefore I will make the heavens tremble;
and the earth will shake from its place

at the wrath of the Lord Almighty,
in the day of his burning anger.
14 Like a hunted gazelle,
like sheep without a shepherd,
they will all return to their own people,
they will flee to their native land.
15 Whoever is captured will be thrust through;
all who are caught will fall by the sword.
16 Their infants will be dashed to pieces before their eyes;
their houses will be looted and their wives violated.
17 See, I will stir up against them the Medes,
who do not care for silver
and have no delight in gold.
18 Their bows will strike down the young men;
they will have no mercy on infants,
nor will they look with compassion on children.
19 Babylon, the jewel of kingdoms,
the pride and glory of the Babylonians,
will be overthrown by God
like Sodom and Gomorrah.

20 She will never be inhabited
or lived in through all generations;
there no nomads will pitch their tents,
there no shepherds will rest their flocks.
21 But desert creatures will lie there,
jackals will fill her houses;
there the owls will dwell,
and there the wild goats will leap about.
22 Hyenas will inhabit her strongholds,
jackals her luxurious palaces.
Her time is at hand,
and her days will not be prolonged.


Babylon's destruction = Day of the Lord.
Babylon's destruction = rise of the Medes.
Bablyon's destruction = sun and moon and stars not giving their light.
Babylon's destruction = as thorough as God's DIRECT judgement of Sodom and Gomorrah - but through the Medes. (Persians.)

So given how clear this is, how do you know your other "Dark Sun" passages are about Isaiah's unimaginably far, far future - when here he is clearly writing about the Assyrians (in previous chapters) and Babylonians and Persians?

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Why we are not supposed to keep the Sabbath

Historical context. The mosaic law was given 430 years after Abraham.

“Now the promises were spoken to Abraham and to his seed. He does not say, “And to seeds,” as one would in referring to many, but rather as in referring to one, “And to your seed,” that is, Christ. What I am saying is this: the Law, which came 430 years later, does not invalidate a covenant previously ratified by God, so as to nullify the promise.”
‭‭Galatians‬ ‭3‬:‭16‬-‭17‬ ‭NASB2020‬‬
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