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probinson · 2025-12-15T19:19:34-0600

MarkSB said:
The CDC publishes the data which they get from VAERS investigations. You can find the data for 5-11 year olds here, which was published in 2021 shorty after the vaccines were introduced for that age group.

Ah yes, MMWR. The same publication that claimed masking could reduce respiratory spread by more than 80%. Of course, the data for that "study" was ascertained by people self-reporting their masking practices and number of infections via a telephone survey, but the result was aligned with their narrative at the time, so MMWR went ahead and made a nifty infographic and published it.

MarkSB said:
I don't anticipate that I will continue with this discussion, because I know that reasoning with conspiracy theorists is a fruitless effort.

Well then, it was nice chatting.

Unfortunately, there absolutely is a conspiracy by the pharmaceutical industry to protect their financial interests. And unfortunately. It's not just theoretical. It's very real.

Our healthcare system isn’t about health—it’s about business.

And in this business, harm isn’t an accident. It’s built into the system.

The more I uncovered, the more I realized:

We aren’t just patients. We are customers.

And we are all trapped in Big Pharma’s spider web of influence.

Trapped in the Spider Web: How Big Pharma Captured Our Healthcare System

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Bob Crowley · 2025-12-15T19:18:38-0600

RamiC said:
If a couple based in Cornwall want to escape from the British weather there are parts of Spain far easier to reach than Brisbane.

They were Australians based in Brisbane, Australia, which they would have regarded as "home". They probably had family members there.

They were looking for a summer retreat from Brisbane's heat and humidity. They'd been to Cornwall before (if my memory serves me correctly), and liked the area.

In addition since Australia is an offshoot of British culture, they fitted in easily in Cornwall. The only problem would have been all the poms! (just kidding).

Belk · 2025-12-15T19:10:37-0600

Vambram said:
Have you read the facts and data in those articles?

Some of it. Still reviewing. So far it sees that it is very likely that if you are from an impoverished country you are likely to be poor. Not exactly ground breasting stuff here. If there are certain facts you feel are relevant, feel free to point them out. Happy to look at the areas you are highlighting having reviewed these articles.

Mark Quayle · 2025-12-15T19:10:25-0600

Dave... said:
Hey Mark.

That's just the history of it. That's where it came from.

The Media always portrays fundamentalism these days as being far right Christians. Apparently, less taxes, more personal responsibility, and smaller government, when taken to the extreme, is now considered terrorism, and called Christian fundamentalism. Kind of like a white guy with an opinion is called white supremacy. They can sure redefine words. That's Marxism.

Yep, true that!

Mark Quayle · 2025-12-15T19:08:51-0600

SuperCow said:
In a predetermined universe, I do not actually choose, because God created me in such a way so that I can only choose what is predetermined. And if I can only choose what is predetermined, how can you say that I am choosing? And I never said that human choosing is a plain chance. I'm saying, if God wants me to make a true choice, he can do it, and if God wanted to force me to make a choice, he could also do it.

If "I can only choose what is predetermined", I am doing precisely what God has established as fact when he spoke all this into being. Those unworthy to whom God chose to show mercy, are chosen by him from the foundation of the world, unrelated to what we will choose. It is for him and for that purpose that we in particular were created—every individual of us. So also with the reprobate, which they daily show by their rejection of him. All of us are choosing every day. Can you tell me the difference between a dog choosing and a human choosing?

Mark Quayle said:
Go back to the beginning. God. God is first cause, and, btw, the ONLY first cause. There can be only one first cause, and that is God. EVERYTHING else, therefore, is result. You don't even engage me on this

SuperCow said:
There's no reason to engage on this. On this point I am in complete agreement. Why should I engage on a statement I don't have a problem with.

Because your thesis claims that human choices are uncaused, which is a characteristic of God alone, or of Chance (which is self-contradictory in itself.) You say you agree, but your arguments don't agree.

Mark Quayle said:
—you only keep asserting that choice by definition means uncaused choice (in various different words) and that therefore my claim is false.

There's a reason you don't engage me on this. You are insisting on self-determination.

SuperCow said:
As you insist on pre-determination.

But I engage with your argument, while you only deny mine. I demonstrate logical and biblical reasons, while you only assert your thesis, and use circular reasoning to support it. Your claim, shown above, merely asserts that pre-determination prohibits choice. It does not prove it. To you, it is simple common sense. But, in practice, nobody chooses uncaused to choose precisely what they choose. I have shown many reasons to see this, starting with my favorite, that in fact the only thing that can happen is established to be so by God.

Mark Quayle · 2025-12-15T19:07:29-0600

Mark Quayle said:
Even YOU believe God is the creator of all that is. If he is that Creator, and if there is sin, then he caused that there be sin.

SuperCow said:
You finally admit it. This is what I have been trying to tell you all along. There is obviously sin, so God caused the sin. So he wanted sin in the world, because otherwise the only conclusion to take is that God does not want sin, but could not avoid it which would not make him omnipotent.

Finally admit it?? I've been claiming it outright for years. I'll say it again, and happily —God caused that there be sin. Do you think God did not have Redemption in mind when he created the universe?

Notice how you relate this to the question of omnipotence. You are right to do so. Omnipotent means that ALL things descended logically from his causation, whether directly, or through means. There is no such thing as 'accident', with God.

Like I've shown before, Joseph told his brothers, and I quote (my emphasis), "As for you, what you intended against me for evil, God intended for good..." Genesis 50:20

SuperCow said:
Therefore man did not cause the sin because man is not the first causer.

"The first causer" of a chain of causation is not the immediate causer. God caused that there BE sin. He did not sin. He did it for his own sake, for his glory and for our sake,

SuperCow said:
The law of causality would say that everything man does including choice has an initial cause, which would be God. Therefore man is not responsible for his sin.

The "therefore" part in that syllogism is assumed, not proven.

Mark Quayle said:
Even YOU believe God is the creator of all that is. If he is that Creator, and if there is sin, then he caused that there be sin.

SuperCow said:
I disagree with this, but at least it is a logical position to take. We could have saved much of the discussion if you admitted this earlier. However, I challenge you to find a scripture where it says that God caused sin or wants it to happen.

Well, let's see —did I mention Joseph and his brothers?

—But, do you want a big one? Acts 2:23 (and, again, my emphasis) : "This man was handed over to you by God’s deliberate plan and foreknowledge; and you, with the help of wicked men, put him to death by nailing him to the cross."

You must have been skimming my posts to miss that I've been claiming this all along. If something happens, God caused that it happened, caused it to happen, but used means to bring sin to pass. He did not sin, nor does he tempt anyone to sin. It is only assumed by those insisting on self-determination, that if God causes that people choose what they choose, that it is not choice. They cannot prove it, nor even demonstrate it.

RabbiJames · 2025-12-15T19:06:30-0600

PARASHA: “VaYeshev” (and he settled) GENESIS 37:1-40:23

In this study, the focus is on Yosef, who is going to be in the limelight of God. Things seem to be going from bad to worse for this young teenager. It wasn't all his fault, we could say. His father, Jacob, held him high up on a pedestal, “Papa's favorite”. Whenever there is family favoritism among sons and daughters, there is bound to be trouble, especially from the other siblings who are the “less preferred.”

Papa Jacob makes him a "long-sleeved robe." This coat was a symbol of leadership; The Torah doesn’t specify that it was of “many colors,” only that this type of garment was one that had sleeves down to the wrists and that reached the ankles. This is like getting a kid a three-piece suit made of fine silk and then sending him out to the fields where his brothers are wearing overalls and straw hats.

This "coat" would be considered a "Royal Tunic" and must have had the colors of royalty, like blue, scarlet, red, etc... We could also say that this coat symbolized "Messiah the King" and Yosef, a "type of Messiah" who would, in God's perfect timing, save the local world of physical starvation. Now, the brothers are affected by this coat.

It will arouse jealousy. ( I mean, why doesn't Dad make coats for all of us?) These brothers are boiling mad, and to make matters worse, Yosef is given dreams by YHVH, and he doesn't keep them to himself; he shares them. He shares them not to be haughty, but just to let his family know what is happening, or rather, what is “going to happen” in the future. But I don't think that at that time, Yosef understood the meaning of the dreams. These dreams reflect Isaac's blessing on Joseph.

We understand that the dreams include sheaves of wheat that bow down before Yosef’s sheaves of wheat. How might one see this? Here’s an idea. Wheat is made into bread, and Yeshua is the “Bread of Life”. Yosef is a “type or symbol of Messiah.” He saves the known world from physical starvation, and Yeshua saved the whole world from spiritual starvation. Just like Yosef’s brothers bowed down to him in honor, the whole world will “bow down” to Yeshua, who is the “Bread of Life”.

To make a long story short, he gets out to the fields, the brothers strip him of his coat, rip it, dip it in goat's blood, plan to kill him, Judah talks them out of it, and instead, throw him in an empty well, wait until a group of Ishmaelite traders comes by, they sell him to the buyers for 20 pieces of silver, and that is how, they are rid of brother Yosef, “daddy's boy” the dreamer, yet unknowingly, they are playing right into the perfect plan of YHVH, they are “investing” in their own future welfare. One interesting fact about these events is what happened before Yosef found his brothers in Dothan. Genesis 37:15 reads the following:

“A certain man found him wandering in the field, and the man asked him, saying What are you looking for?”

Israel sends Yosef to look for his brothers in Shechem, but when he gets there, he doesn’t find them because they have gone on to Dothan. Josef is now lost, just “wandering,” so the man says that they said, “let’s go to Dothan.” So the man redirects Yosef to find his brothers and continue in Adonai’s perfect plan for his life. Who is this man? No one knows, perhaps he was just a man who happened to be there near Yosef’s brethren and overheard them talking.

God, who looks down from beyond the heavens, from a multi-dimensional universe, sees the end before it happens, and this man was essential to fulfill the words of the Torah and the promises to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. Without this man, Yosef would not have found his brothers in time for them to "sell him into slavery." He never would have made it to Egypt to interpret Pharaoh’s dreams and save the world from starvation. The sons of Israel would not have moved to Egypt, and the prophecy of “Israel being in Egypt” might not have come true. Yet it all DID, because God had that certain man in place at the right time.

Little may we know it, but we probably have been in the “right places” at the “right times” to help people achieve their goals because we have a God in the universe that oversees all things and places people in those places to fulfill his will in them and in others.
But let's go back to the events. How do these events symbolize, compare with Messiah Yeshua? We do not see any blemish on Yosef, as if he is “perfect and righteous” as Yeshua was/is “Tzadik kadosh” (Righteous and Holy). Yosef is the “victim” of his own people (his brothers). Yeshua was given up to the Roman governor by a group of religious leaders.

Joseph was Israel's "beloved son." Yeshua is "The Father's beloved Son"; Joseph was a shepherd with his brothers; Yeshua is the "Good Shepherd." Joseph was hated by his brothers; Yeshua is still "hated" by much of the world. Joseph was sent by his father to see the flocks in the field; Yeshua was sent by the Father to care for his sheep and guide the "lost sheep" back to the fold. Joseph was in prison with two criminals, one was sentenced to death, the other was pardoned. Yeshua was crucified between two criminals, one was unrepentant, and the other was forgiven. Joseph was faced with temptation (Potiphar's wife) and resisted. Yeshua was tempted in the wilderness by HaSatan, and he resisted. Yosef went "down to Egypt" as a slave, saved from being killed. Yeshua went "down to Egypt" and was saved from being killed by Herod. We could probably think of more comparisons and contrasts in the lives of Messiah Yeshua and Yosef Ben Israel.

The brothers stripped Yosef of his coat (The King's tunic), the coat was dipped in goat's blood. Yeshua was stripped of his clothing and was beaten, his flesh “ripped” by a Roman whip, until the blood poured out. (torn and bloodied tunic of the King) The “goat's blood” reminds us of “Yom Kippur” where goats were sacrificed and one was “set free” the blood of the goat reminds us of our sins “covered by the blood” (back then) but now, our sins are “erased” by the blood of “God's chosen LAMB” the “Lamb of God” which taketh away the sins of the world.

Yosef was thrown into a pit, an empty cistern, void of water. Scripture doesn't say, but I imagine that his brothers tied him up with a rope and lowered him into the pit by the rope. A “water well” symbolizes “Life,” but when it is empty, it can symbolize “death”. Just try to climb out of a deep pit with dirt sides without anything, you can't, might as well be dead. Yosef being lowered into the pit can symbolize Yeshua's death, and his descent into “Sheol”; yet when the Midianites came by, the brothers pulled him “out” of the pit, which could symbolize Yeshua's “resurrection unto life”. Before the pit, Yosef was part of his immediate family. After the incident of the pit, he is on his way to a “new life”, with trials, tests, troubles, suffering, and finally, rewards! Doesn't that sound like our life today?

In Chapter 38, the scene switches to “Judah”. We see that Judah is not doing a very wise thing as he goes into a Canaanite woman. He leaves his brethren and has kids with a Canaanite! The first two are evil, and Adonai kills them. Shelah is his third son, and he hesitates to marry him to “Tamar,” yet she poses as a prostitute and deceives Judah into sleeping with her and getting her pregnant. But the question is, why was he looking for a prostitute?

Believers can wander away from God’s will for their lives in such ways, marrying unbelievers, committing adultery or fornication, the list can go on. Adonai still loves us and will continue to reach down to us and redirect us, even though it hurts at times, at times, the chastisements can come in the form of sadness and depression, a loss of love and excitement for the things of the LORD, because we know we are “doing wrong”.

The result of Tamar’s pregnancy was that twins were born, the first one pushed his hand through the womb and the midwife tied a “scarlet thread” on it to say, “this is the first-born” yet the baby pulled back inside and his brother came out, then HE came out in second place…yet…he was in “first place” (if you get my drift).

There is symbolism in these births. A way we can look at this is that the scarlet thread can symbolize Yeshua the Messiah, and his “first coming”, then his “second coming”. The twins were "Peretz" and "Zerach." Peretz means "breaker." Yeshua broke through the barrier of separation between God and man.. He "tore the curtain of the Temple down the middle, which was in the Temple.

"Zerach" can mean "dawning," and the second coming of Messiah Yeshua is the "dawning" of the new Millennial age. Also, perhaps a bit before the "dawning" of the First day of the week, Messiah Yeshua burst forth from the grave, conquering sin and death. From Tamar came Peretz, and from Peretz comes the line of King David, and from David, Mary and Joseph, and "Messiah Yeshua Ben Yosef."

Joseph saved the local world from physical famine and starvation. Yeshua has saved us from Spiritual darkness and starvation. Don't starve yourself of God's WORD. Get into it. As Joseph stored up grain to be made into bread, Yeshua came as the Bread of Life.

Vambram · 2025-12-15T19:00:03-0600

Belk said:
Perhaps you should of lead with that instead of trying to deny the ideological leanings of your sources.

Have you read the facts and data in those articles?

Belk · 2025-12-15T18:55:22-0600

Vambram said:
Data and facts are neutral. Check out the data.

Perhaps you should of lead with that instead of trying to deny the ideological leanings of your sources.

.Mikha'el. · 2025-12-15T18:53:34-0600

ChristianSonic said:
Not really. Also, I’m not saying God’s love isn’t the strongest, it is. It just doesn’t feel as special because EVERYONE gets it.

I've come to that realization too. It's universal, completely undermining that feeling of specialness that you're longing for,

JSRG · 2025-12-15T18:51:31-0600

DaisyDay said:
It's my impression that the six month extension is to fix technical defects. The problem of the only attorney to sign the indictment being illegally appointed is not a technical problem.

A different problem is the use of privileged information used to inform the indictment. The prosecutor's office used information gained from Comey's lawyer (obtained in a different case) against him. I don't know if using tainted evidence counts as a technical problem.

It's more than just fixing technical defects. The statute says:

Whenever an indictment or information charging a felony is dismissed for any reason after the period prescribed by the applicable statute of limitations has expired, a new indictment may be returned in the appropriate jurisdiction within six calendar months of the date of the dismissal of the indictment or information, or, in the event of an appeal, within 60 days of the date the dismissal of the indictment or information becomes final, or, if no regular grand jury is in session in the appropriate jurisdiction when the indictment or information is dismissed, within six calendar months of the date when the next regular grand jury is convened, which new indictment shall not be barred by any statute of limitations. This section does not permit the filing of a new indictment or information where the reason for the dismissal was the failure to file the indictment or information within the period prescribed by the applicable statute of limitations, or some other reason that would bar a new prosecution.

"For any reason" is not limited to technical defects; it means, as it says, for any reason.

It does, however, offer an exception at the end, where it says "This section does not permit the filing of a new indictment or information where the reason for the dismissal was the failure to file the indictment or information within the period prescribed by the applicable statute of limitations, or some other reason that would bar a new prosecution." There are things that would "bar a new prosecution", such as if it's dismissed with prejudice (which means it can't be brought again), but the case wasn't dismissed with prejudice. The statute's broad language ("any reason") shows that it applies to a lot more than just what one could deem "technical problems."

ChristianSonic · 2025-12-15T18:49:56-0600

.Mikha'el. said:
I think you and I have the same problem. I find that God's love and the love of family don't do anything for me because they're automatic. We have them guanteed just by showing up in life, and not something we have merited or earned. There's definitely a place in life for having earned someone's interest in our companionship. Do you have a faith community where you might be able to make meaningful connections?

Not really. Also, I’m not saying God’s love isn’t the strongest, it is. It just doesn’t feel as special because EVERYONE gets it.

ralliann · 2025-12-15T18:49:29-0600

Aryeh Jay said:
Good for them. I have no connection to the State of Israel, I am a United States citizen.View attachment 374556

So you didn't, this is not about your personal choice. It is about choice as far as the Israeli government was concerned...The issue is Jews could have, just like any other Israeli

.Mikha'el. · 2025-12-15T18:48:10-0600

ChristianSonic said:
Hey y’all, it’s been a while. I’ve come across some new answers to my predicament since I last posted. Here are things I can say with certainty:
1. I truly do desire marriage. I truly feel God put it on my heart.
2. Despite that, a lot of my depression comes from a deeper desire. I want to feel wanted.

The two don’t contradict or cancel. I want to get married AND I want to feel wanted. I always feel like the burden of whatever group of people I’m in.

The reason family love or even God’s love doesn’t feel like enough is because there’s usually expectations on those loves:
1. Families are expected to love me socially.
2. God’s love for everyone is the foundation of the faith.

But neither of those feel special. Why would I feel special with God’s love when He loves everyone equally? Why would I feel wanted in my family when they’re socially expected to love me.

That’s why I want real friends and marriage, I want to be wanted because, despite all the love from God and family, never once in my life have I felt wanted.

So… what now? What do I do to find friends. My small town hardly has meetups of interests, and I don’t have much money to travel.

Still, it’s a great first step that I nailed the source of my problem. Please help.

I think you and I have the same problem. I find that God's love and the love of family don't do anything for me because they're automatic. We have them guanteed just by showing up in life, and not something we have merited or earned. There's definitely a place in life for having earned someone's interest in our companionship. Do you have a faith community where you might be able to make meaningful connections?

Hentenza · 2025-12-15T18:48:09-0600

BobRyan said:
God said to Cain "sin is at your door you must overcome it" in Gen 3 , even before the command against murder is recorded in the book of Moses.

Did Cain keep the sabbath?

BobRyan said:
Genesis is not an exhaustive account of very word spoken for the first 2000 years of human history. Obviously.

That’s true which means that you can’t use it to dogmatically prove a doctrine. Arguments from silence do not work.

BobRyan said:
No wonder we have so much agreement on the TEN in the OT across every major Christian denomination.

Almost every Christian denomination on Earth affirms the continued *"unit of TEN" for Christians today

[*]The Baptist Confession of Faith section 19
[*]The Westminster Confession of Faith section 19
[*]Voddie Baucham
[*]C.H. Spurgeon
[*]D.L. Moody
[*]Dies Domini by Pope John Paul II
[*]D. James Kennedy
[*]R.C. Sproul
[*]many others as well..

* - 10 as-is or else in edited form

None of these denominations or people keep the sabbath on Saturday nor do they teach the Jewish Sabbath. We’ve been through this before. Now what?

BobRyan said:
=============== it just does not get any easier than this

It does for me.

BobRyan said:
Sabbath was "MADE FOR MANKIND" not mankind MADE for the Sabbath Mark 2:27 speaks of the MAKING of both , when both were made during creation week.

“Jesus said to them, “The Sabbath was made for man, and not man for the Sabbath. So the Son of Man is Lord, even of the Sabbath.””
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Jesus said to them, “The Sabbath was made for man, and not man for the Sabbath. So the Son of Man is Lord, even of the Sabbath.”

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Don’t forget to include the result of verse 27. Because the sabbath was made for man, Jesus is the Lord of the Sabbath. Did you not account for the “so” at the beginning of verse 28?

BobRyan said:
Right next to the verse where God commands mankind not to take God's name in vain before Exodus 20. That sort of game is not a funny kind of proof that it was ok to take God's name in vain.

No wonder the Sabbath is in Exodus 16 , even before the TEN are given.

No wonder the clean and unclean distinction is in the history of mankind in Gen 7 long before Lev 11 is written

hint. Most readers can see this point.

Not really. Most readers don’t read your pet doctrine into scripture. You still did not post a verse stating that anyone kept the sabbath before Moses.

“Then the Lord said to Moses, “Behold, I will rain bread from heaven for you; and the people shall go out and gather a day’s portion every day, so that I may test them, whether or not they will walk in My instruction. On the sixth day, when they prepare what they bring in, it will be twice as much as they gather daily.””
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Then the LORD said to Moses, “Behold, I will rain bread from heaven for you; and the people shall go out and gather a day’s portion every day, so that I may test them, whether or not they will walk in

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The Lord gave the instructions on what to gather per day and to gather twice as much on the sixth day. First time they had received such an instruction.

“Now on the sixth day they gathered twice as much bread, two omers for each one. When all the leaders of the congregation came and told Moses, then he said to them, “This is what the Lord meant: Tomorrow is a Sabbath observance, a holy Sabbath to the Lord. Bake what you will bake and boil what you will boil, and all that is left over put aside to be kept until morning.” So they put it aside until morning, as Moses had ordered, and it did not stink nor was there a maggot in it. Then Moses said, “Eat it today, for today is a Sabbath to the Lord; today you will not find it in the field. Six days you shall gather it, but on the seventh day, the Sabbath, there will be none.””
‭‭Exodus‬ ‭16‬:‭22‬-‭26‬ ‭NASB2020‬‬

Exodus 16:22-26 (NASB2020) - Now on the sixth day they gathered | YouVersion

Now on the sixth day they gathered twice as much bread, two omers for each one. When all the leaders of the congregation came and told Moses, then he said to them, “This is what the LORD meant: Tomorr

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Notice that the people came to Moses after gathering twice as much not knowing why or what to do with it. Moses had to explain to them what the sabbath was and how they were to prepare it. In fact Moses had to tell them not to try to gather on the 7th day because there would be nothing to gather but some tried anyway.

These people did not know what the sabbath was or how to keep it because they never had before. Not only that but this was just a rest sabbath without any of the restrictions of the law that would come later when Moses wrote the Torah.

Again, post a verse that shows anyone keeping the sabbath BEFORE Moses. Exodus 16 actually defeats your argument.

BobRyan said:
It is seen each time we find that same phrase used in the books of Moses "My Commandments, My statutes and My Laws" Gen 26:5 a phrase used repeatedly in the books of Moses.

What commandments, what statutes, what laws? Post them.

BobRyan said:
Eph 6:1-2 the unit of TEN is the only place where we see the Eph 6 statement hold true and .

The unit of ten is not depicted in Eph. 6:1-2. Only one commandment is mentioned.

“Children, obey your parents in the Lord, for this is right. Honor your father and mother (which is the first commandment with a promise), so that it may turn out well for you, and that you may live long on the earth. Fathers, do not provoke your children to anger, but bring them up in the discipline and instruction of the Lord.”
‭‭Ephesians‬ ‭6‬:‭1‬-‭4‬ ‭NASB2020‬‬

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Children, obey your parents in the Lord, for this is right. HONOR YOUR FATHER AND MOTHER (which is the first commandment with a promise), SO THAT IT MAY TURN OUT WELL FOR YOU, AND THAT YOU MAY LIVE LO

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BobRyan said:
Mark 2:27 "Sabbath made for mankind"

See above.

BobRyan said:
Is 66:23 Sabbath to be kept by all mankind

The audience here is Israel and this is part of the old covenant. The future time is most likely talking about the new heavens and new earth, where all people will consistently worship God from month to month (new moons) and week to week (Sabbaths).

BobRyan said:
Acts 13 believing gentiles specifically ask for more gospel preaching to be scheduled for them on "The next Sabbath"

The people that begged Paul and Barnabas to preach to them the next sabbath day were the Jews not the gentiles.

“After the reading of the Law and the Prophets, the synagogue officials sent word to them, saying, “Brothers, if you have any word of exhortation for the people, say it.” As Paul and Barnabas were going out, the people repeatedly begged to have these things spoken to them the next Sabbath.

As you can see the synagogue officials are the ones that invited Paul to preach on the next Sabbath.

The next Sabbath nearly all the city assembled to hear the word of the Lord. But when the Jews saw the crowds, they were filled with jealousy and began contradicting the things spoken by Paul, and were blaspheming. Paul and Barnabas spoke out boldly and said, “It was necessary that the word of God be spoken to you first. Since you repudiate it and consider yourselves unworthy of eternal life, behold, we are turning to the Gentiles. When the Gentiles heard this, they began rejoicing and glorifying the word of the Lord; and all who had been appointed to eternal life believed.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭13‬:‭15‬, ‭42‬, ‭44‬-‭46‬, ‭48‬ ‭NASB2020‬‬

Acts 13:42-48 (NASB2020) - As Paul and Barnabas were going out | YouVersion

As Paul and Barnabas were going out, the people repeatedly begged to have these things spoken to them the next Sabbath. Now when the meeting of the synagogue had broken up, many of the Jews and the Go

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The gentiles from the city would gather outside of the synagogue. After the Jews saw the crowds and got jealous Paul tells them what Jesus Himself had taught which was to preach to the Jews first and then to the gentiles. The gentiles, who were not of the law, were delighted and believed.

These verses do not help your argument.

Cosmic Charlie · 2025-12-15T18:45:11-0600

Valletta said:
What police and or cannot say during an interrogation is ruled by law, laws passed by liberals and conservatives, members of Congress voted in in democratic elections by the citizens of the United States. The court in that case properly ruled that during an interrogation a suspect cannot be coerced. If you have suggestions as to how you want the law changed by all means talk to your elected representatives or their offices. I've met with staff and also personally met with my Congresswoman on a number of occasions as well as my senators. That being said, it does not follow that the head of ICE will lie about statistics.

If Ton Homan has stats to show, he’d show them

short of that I assume he’s a lying lair

Akita Suggagaki · 2025-12-15T18:39:50-0600

I am looking for independent living senior apartments. They are kinf og scattered and expensive

Mercy Shown · 2025-12-15T18:35:40-0600

fhansen said:
Yes, well, I can only say that we won't much get much done as a society of one- in terms of coloring our surroundings Christian in colors. Much of the good that is done and that we enjoy in any given society or nation is due to people of good will joining together in united concerns and efforts.

Why did Christ ignore so much social justice in his day? Why did Paul not oppose slavery or fight for women's rights. If you look closely it is because they had something much better to give than those temporal gifts. Perhaps you could name one of your causes and explain what you are doing about it. That would give me a better idea of what you mean by social justice. For me it is hands on. Like driving an hour to help an invalid shower and dress for a month because his wife had broken her ribs and could not help him.

Vambram · 2025-12-15T18:35:27-0600

Belk said:
Then I question your ability to vet your data sources.

Data and facts are neutral. Check out the data.

Vambram · 2025-12-15T18:34:29-0600

Pommer said:
The data are the data and confirms the Somalian immigrants tend to commit the ~~sin~~ crime of being poor.

The data shows that a majority of Somalian immigrants in Minnesota are living off of government funded programs.

Mercy Shown · 2025-12-15T18:29:57-0600

SabbathBlessings said:
Jesus is focused on the heart of the matter, the harden heart of man, if the heart is changed, the least of these commandments would be kept as Jesus taught plainly Mat5:19, not changing a jot or tittle of His Law Mat5:18 because the law is not the issue Psa19:7 Rom7:12, the harden heart of man is.

Yes, Jesus is trying to free us from the bondage of sin, but that would mean keeping the law of God, not breaking the least of these commandments Mat 5:19 why its the law of liberty, free from sin James2:11-12 transformed through our love for Jesus and the Holy Spirit John14:15-18.

I may be misunderstanding you, but it seems to assume that those who understand the Sabbath as being fulfilled through resting in Christ are therefore disobeying God. I don’t believe that conclusion necessarily follows. Scripture teaches that our ultimate rest is found in Christ Himself (Hebrews 4:9–10), and many sincere believers seek to honor God from that place of faith and trust, not disregard for His commands.

When we apply the law in a strictly literal way without considering its fulfillment in Christ, we should also be careful to examine how consistently we apply it. For example, the second commandment warns against making images (Exodus 20:4–5), yet most of us recognize that the heart of this command is about idolatry rather than the mere presence of artwork. This reminds me that all of us depend on grace and must approach these discussions with humility.

This tension is not new. In the Gospels, the Pharisees accused Jesus of breaking the Sabbath because His disciples picked grain and because He healed on that day (Matthew 12:1–8; John 5:16–18). Jesus responded by showing that the Sabbath was given as a gift, not a burden, and that “the Son of Man is Lord of the Sabbath” (Mark 2:27–28). His concern was always mercy, life, and faith, not legalistic rule-keeping.

My hope is that we can keep Christ at the center of this conversation, remembering that salvation and obedience flow from Him, not from our ability to perfectly interpret or apply the law (Galatians 2:16; John 15:5).

It’s important to remember that even among those who honor the Sabbath, there is a wonderful diversity in how it is observed. Some may focus on traditional practices, while others seek to rest in Christ and trust in His work for them. Both approaches, when done with sincere hearts, are ways of honoring God.

Keeping the Sabbath by resting in Christ is not inherently “less” faithful than other expressions—it’s simply another way of entering into the rest and renewal that God intends for His people (Hebrews 4:9–10). Our focus can be on encouraging one another in Christ, rather than measuring or comparing the forms of Sabbath observance.

SabbathBlessings said:
While I agree love is what transforms and obedience flows though the heart, yet you still teach it doesn’t matter if God said Remember on one of these commandments, its okay to forget what God said to Remember and keep Exo20:8-11 if we love Him. Exo20:6 John14:15. If your earthy father asked something that was important to him and said son, please remember this, would it be an act of love to forget it, or keep what he said in our heart and do. Why treat our Heavenly Father any different. Jesus certainly never taught we do not have to keep the Sabbath, He taught we can do evil on the Sabbath Mark3:4 not changing anything He said previously Isa 56:2 Neh 13:17 because God does not change. While I like a lot of what you say, Mat5:19 tells us not to break or teach others to break the least of these commandments and that would include the commandment God said Remember, that is holy and blessed by God, that no man can take away the Blessing of God, because man is not God.

It’s probably best for me to agree to disagree and all will get sorted out in God’s time.

Disagreement in how we observe the Sabbath is not a problem as long as it is not accompanied by judgment. If you choose to refrain from certain activities on Saturday to honor God, that is truly a blessed thing. Likewise, if your neighbor begins the Sabbath a few hours earlier to align with Israel, doing so out of love for God, that is also pleasing to Him. And if someone else rests in Christ every day of the week, out of faith and devotion, who are we to label that as disobedience? God sees the heart, and it is the heart of faith and love that matters most (1 Samuel 16:7; Romans 14:5–6).

Anything we do for God out of obligation counts for nothing. Anything we do out of love for God counts for everything.

timothyu · 2025-12-15T18:29:55-0600

fhansen said:
Much of the good that is done and that we enjoy in any given society or nation is due to people of good will joining together in united concerns and efforts.

And most often aside from institutions, be they political or Christians in name.

durangodawood · 2025-12-15T18:29:29-0600

ThatRobGuy said:
The "nitpick" response would that the deaths happened under two different sets of circumstances and motives.

That aside, Rob Reiner seemed to be of a mindset similar to mine with regards to "why should we have to pretend to respect someone we had no respect for just because they died?"

Rob Reiner Circa 2021 (the day after Rush Limbaugh died):
Rush Limbaugh is gone. But there is no scarcity of other purveyors of disinformation like him left in his wake. To protect our Democracy we must remain vigilant in calling out their big lies. Starting with climate change.

— Rob Reiner (@robreiner) February 18, 2021

Gooses and Ganders and all that jazz... Seems Reiner wasn't opposed to taking the death of a political rival (who injected themselves into politics) and using that as a basis for making a political statement of their own.

It's funny because I remember linking that in the Limbaugh thread when it happened (because I was also bashing Limbaugh), and then this same kind of conversation happened all over again when Dick Cheney died.

Well Ive always said, Rob Reiner is not my president!

Even so, he was right on about Rush.

timothyu · 2025-12-15T18:27:31-0600

com7fy8 said:
Because his pride was not trying to take over,

So he never took pride in being chosen for a mission he became obsessed about?

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