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BNR32FAN · 2025-11-20T12:06:25-0600

Landon Caeli said:
...To monitor employee behavior, activity, and/or production in any workplace. Such technology may be useful for management, but it fails the test, because it pushes real humans to behave a certain way - thus "controlling" us.

Employers do this all the time. They often use cameras to monitor employee productivity. As employees if we don’t like it we’re certainly free to seek employment somewhere else. So I wouldn’t consider that being controlled, I would say that it’s more like consensual observation.

Strong in Him · 2025-11-20T12:02:46-0600

Apple Sky said:
I trust in God's word.

And God's word was written from Joshua's perspective - it was not a scientific account dictated by God.

Why are you ignoring a great miracle and just fixating on individual words?

BNR32FAN · 2025-11-20T12:02:13-0600

Christians can surely make mistakes and still be a Christian.

Landon Caeli · 2025-11-20T12:00:26-0600

partinobodycular said:
Which is worse, control via physical force, or control via psychological manipulation?

I think if psychological manipulation gets a pass, without objection because there's no standards being put into place, then likewise, there will be no standard to prevent AI from using physical force later.

...People will be convinced that: 'we've been letting similar things slide for years, why should things be different for this?'... It's why we need to voice concern about this topic immediately!

el3venS1x · 2025-11-20T11:59:58-0600

Dear brothers and sisters in Christ,

I hope this message finds you well. I am reaching out today to share my personal
testimony of how God has been testing my faith and trust in Him.

As many of us know, life can be challenging and unpredictable at times. But
through it all, I have come to realize that God uses these trials to refine our
character and strengthen our relationship with Him.

In my own journey, I have faced several difficult circumstances that seemed
impossible to overcome. However, through prayer, perseverance, and trusting in
God's sovereignty, He has seen me through each challenge.

My experience has taught me that when we face tests of our faith, we must:

1. Remain steadfast in our commitment to Christ
2. Trust in His goodness and wisdom
3. Seek guidance from Scripture and prayer
4. Lean on fellow believers for support

I encourage you all to hold fast to your faith during these trying times.
Remember that God is always with us and will never leave us or forsake us (He
brews 13:5).

Let us continue to lift each other up in prayer and stand firm in our walk with
Christ, even as we face various trials and tribulations.

May God bless and strengthen you all,
You don't know what your doing.

childeye 2 · 2025-11-20T11:59:32-0600

Clare73 said:
Which issue is irrelevant to their choice to go against God.

The topic is free will. God is Truth. According to pragmatics going against God/Truth must involve believing in something not true. This is why it's relevant that Adam and Eve were misled. Because, the kingdom of darkness is built on a lie, even the slander of God. So, for people like me, who have been set free from this lie, by the Holy Spirit according to God's grace, to describe this darkness based on a lie as free will, makes me complicit in the lie. Example from the Lord who doesn't Lie:

30 As he spake these words, many believed on him.

31 Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed;

32 And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.

33 They answered him, We be Abraham's seed, and were never in bondage to any man: how sayest thou, Ye shall be made free?

34 Jesus answered them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin.

35 And the servant abideth not in the house for ever: but the Son abideth ever.

36 If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed.

37 I know that ye are Abraham's seed; but ye seek to kill me, because my word hath no place in you.

38 I speak that which I have seen with my Father: and ye do that which ye have seen with your father.

39 They answered and said unto him, Abraham is our father. Jesus saith unto them, If ye were Abraham's children, ye would do the works of Abraham.

40 But now ye seek to kill me, a man that hath told you the truth, which I have heard of God: this did not Abraham.

41 Ye do the deeds of your father. Then said they to him, We be not born of fornication; we have one Father, even God.

42 Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me.

43 Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word.

44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

45 And because I tell you the truth, ye believe me not.

46 Which of you convinceth me of sin? And if I say the truth, why do ye not believe me?

47 He that is of God heareth God's words: ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God.

Apple Sky · 2025-11-20T11:52:46-0600

Strong in Him said:
How do you know it was the sun; were you there?

I trust in God's word.

Clare73 · 2025-11-20T11:44:10-0600

childeye 2 said:
It's already established they disobeyed God. The scriptures indicate that the woman was deceived into eating and the man was persuaded by the woman. So, the statement that all they needed to know was that God told them not to eat doesn't address
the issue of how they were misled into eating.

Which issue is irrelevant to their choice to go against God. . .that's a matter of heart, which is where they failed.

Adam was not misled, Adam chose to disobey.

childeye 2 · 2025-11-20T11:42:50-0600

Clare73 said:
It's not about "knowing about sin," it's about disobeying God, which is all they needed to know in order not to sin.

It's already established they disobeyed God. The scriptures indicate that the woman was deceived into eating and the man was persuaded by the woman. So, the statement that all they needed to know was that God told them not to eat doesn't address the issue of how they were misled into eating.

Belonging to Abba · 2025-11-20T11:40:59-0600

At Best Buy I couldn't do in store pickup for the Samsung trade in for the watch because Samsung's website said it wasn't available for my location. I'm wondering about this in case I ever trade in my phone in the future.

Clare73 · 2025-11-20T11:40:30-0600

rambot said:
And the airspeed of an unladen European swallow is 11m/second.

Do you think that reply actually resolves anything from your earlier claim?

It goes to the gravitas of a claim regarding "style."

LoricaLady · 2025-11-20T11:36:17-0600

On Sunday, July 27, 2025, Islamists entered a church building in northeastern Benin near the end of the service and abducted its pastor and three elders. Persecution is prevalent in the northern part of Benin, where Christians are beaten and sometimes killed and church buildings are routinely destroyed.

A senior Beninese pastor requested prayer for the abducted church leaders and that Christians in Benin will remain bold witnesses to Christ amid persecution.

————

Christians in Gaza have suffered greatly amid the ongoing regional conflict that began on Oct. 7, 2023. “We had about 900 [Christians], and after the war about 200 of them, at least, left Gaza,” said Pastor Hanna Massad of Christian Mission to Gaza.

He also said that living conditions for those who remained have been difficult: “It has been really hard for them. Many of them [have] lost a lot of weight.” Many of the Christians unable to flee from Gaza are sheltering in a Catholic church, which was struck by an Israeli tank shell on July 17, 2025, killing three people. A priest and a relative of Rami Ayyad were among those killed.

Rami was the former manager of the only Christian bookstore in Gaza and was killed by Islamists in 2007 for his faith and ministry activities. The Israeli government claimed the strike on the church was a mistake and is investigating.

————

On Aug. 7, 2021, Pastor Wang Xiaoguang; his wife, Yang Rongli; and other leaders of the Linfen church in Shanxi Province were arrested.

They were accused of fraud, which is how the Chinese Communist Party characterizes the collection of tithes in the church. After almost four years of detention, Pastor Wang Xiaoguang was sentenced to nine years and seven months in prison.

In a separate trial, Yang Rongli was sentenced to 15 years in prison. Together, they also face fines of 2.3 million yuan, or more than $320,000. Wang Xiaoguang’s son reported that his father considered it “a great honor” to be put on trial for the Lord, and his mother called the sentence “a great crown given to me by God.” Pray for Pastor Wang, his wife and the church leaders who were charged alongside them. Pray that their endurance will be a powerful testimony to the officials who imprison them and to the church they love.

Click here to find out about Christian persecution in China and learn how to pray.

GoldenBoy89 · 2025-11-20T11:30:34-0600

Always in His Presence said:
I am - that is why I voted for Trump three times. He is head and shoulders above anyone else offered.

Man… that’s gotta be one of the saddest things I’ve ever heard.

Clare73 · 2025-11-20T11:29:16-0600

childeye 2 said:
Doesn't mean they were not misled in their innocence knowing nothing about sin.

It's not about "knowing about sin," it's about disobeying God, which is all they needed to know in order not to sin.

childeye 2 · 2025-11-20T11:28:55-0600

Clare73 said:
Adam clearly understood, "Thou shalt not." Period. Full stop.

That's all he needed to know in order not to sin.

The rest is window dressing.

Scripture shows Adam trusting God until the incident with the serpent and Eve where subsequently Adam hearkened to the woman and disobeyed God. It doesn't mean they were not misled in their innocence knowing nothing about sin.

rambot · 2025-11-20T11:28:48-0600

JimR-OCDS said:
And you didn't listen to the critics, which is fine.

I do but let's be clear:
His critics are working from fear.

JimR-OCDS said:
However, the commission of
civilians he says he'll recreate, will take roles that the police no do. Will the
members of this commission have guns and authority to make arrests when
necessary?

Do cops make arrests with 100% of their engagement?
What if the person just needs mental health support?
I can say right now that having someone who is trained and CAPABLE at de-escalation will do 100% more good than a cop pointing a gun at a problem.
Many, many times.

JimR-OCDS said:
Those are the questions being asked that are not answered by
Mamdani.

I would foresee that he is likely working out those details and policies.

Always in His Presence · 2025-11-20T11:26:58-0600

A2SG said:
Yeah. I repeat: And....?

And nothing - the facts in the OP showed it was multiple text during a hearing - not an email as you stated - oops

A2SG said:
Please, let me know what that "viable subject" is whenever you're ready.

You would have to determine what is viable - you are the one who evidently thought it a salient point that you never heard of her before. Sounds dismissive and non viable to me.

A2SG said:
-- A2SG, content to wait, I brought a good book.....

No waiting at all - I'm glad you are content -

Care to correct your error?

-- Always in His Presence, content to wait also - in the middle of the Book of John...

Strong in Him · 2025-11-20T11:25:34-0600

Apple Sky said:
It makes no odds what you say, God did stop the sun from circuiting the sky for Joshua.

That's not an honest response.
I have said that I believe the sun did not go down for 24 hours - 24 hours of daylight so that Israel could defeat their enemies.
THAT is the miracle. Why can you not understand that - or do you, but you can't admit it because that would destroy your beliefs?

Apple Sky said:
God did stop the sun from circuiting the sky for Joshua.

How do you know it was the sun; were you there?

This also sounds like "I don't care what you say; I believe what I want."

rambot · 2025-11-20T11:25:33-0600

Clare73 said:
"Style" and three bucks will get you a cup of coffee.

And the airspeed of an unladen European swallow is 11m/second.

Do you think that reply actually resolves anything from your earlier claim?

Servus said:
I've heard him say nice things to people including women, offering lots of praise and encouragement, many times.

He literally called a woman a Piggy yesterday.
He cheated on all his wives.

I've heard him say nice thoughts too. It's not like people who don't have a spiritual fruit would be completely incapable of acting that way.

"I've heard him say nice things to people"

Servus said:
But if one is only tapped into an anti-trump hate media, they're never going to see any of that because of course those kinds of outlets would never show it.

No. It's actually a "big picture" thing. I will assume he can be nice to people. He can schmooze (he's a businessman after all) but that ultimately is self serving....though yes he can be nice.

MY point is that he does a lot of awful stuff. Awful stuff that someone who had the fruit would NOT do.

Nobody who has the fruit of kindness is EVER going to call a woman a piggy and not apologize or make it right.

Always in His Presence · 2025-11-20T11:23:25-0600

rambot said:
I'm not claiming "moral high ground". I'm asking you to use discernment.

I am - that is why I voted for Trump three times. He is head and shoulders above anyone else offered.

Nithavela · 2025-11-20T11:22:09-0600

mark46 said:
Would you truly have preferred that Trump did nothing to try to stop the current wars in the Middle East?

CHOOSE
Middle East under Biden
Middle East under Trump

I will admit that the middle east is looking a bit better than usual, if you put a screen in front of the piles of corpses the israeli army is still creating during the current "cease fire".

Lebanon says Israeli strike killed 13 people near Palestinian refugee camp

The Israeli military says it targeted Hamas members "operating in a training compound", which Hamas rejected as "fabrication and lies".

www.bbc.com

But I don't think this moves the needle enough to make up for Trump's failures in other regards.

CoreyD · 2025-11-20T11:19:48-0600

Zceptre said:
I think you are confused. I did no such thing. Also, I did address the post, twice.

Best regards.

Thanks for reading the post.
Take care.

Apple Sky · 2025-11-20T11:15:56-0600

Strong in Him said:
Because I believe the account in Joshua. At least, I believe that there was daylight for 24 hours, which is what they wanted.
From their perspective it looked as though it was the sun which stopped. Was it? As I said, no one went up in space to observe the sun, and the Lord gave scientists the ability to discover that it's the earth that moves, not the sun.

Why does it matter?
Should God have answered Joshua, "can't do that old chap because it's not actually the sun that moves - here, let me explain it to you"? If he had done that, Israel's enemies would have defeated them.
God knew what Joshua needed - the literal words of his prayer were wrong, but God answered anyway.
Doesn't that back up what Jesus said; a) that our Father knows what we need before we aske him, and b) that words and lengthy prayers are not important to God?

Why does this mean that if we don't accept the literal words in the Bible we are doubting God?

It makes no odds what you say, God did stop the sun from circuiting the sky for Joshua.

mark46 · 2025-11-20T11:15:38-0600

Richard T said:
Stock ownership generally increases with income; for example, a Gallup poll found that while 87% of U.S. adults with a household income of $100,000 or higher own stocks, this falls to just 28% for those with a household income of less than $50,000."

the top 1% own 50 percent of the stock market.
The top 10% own around 90 percent of the stock market.

Infographic: U.S. Stock Ownership Is High But Unequally Distributed

This chart shows the share of Americans who are invested in the stock market.

www.statista.com

I don't think we can say that works for all.

"

No, the stock market records don't mean that the economy works for all. However, 28% of those with household income under $50K affects a very large number of people.

The economy doesn't work in that that we don't guarantee access to adequate healthcare to the Middle Class.

The economy doesn't work in that consumers and farmers are being crippled by tariffs on food.

The economy doesn't work in that those under 30 (or is in 50 are unable to afford housing

Christsfreeservant · 2025-11-20T11:10:56-0600

“Today, if you would hear His voice,

Do not harden your hearts, as at Meribah,

As in the day of Massah in the wilderness,

When your fathers tested Me,

They tried Me, though they had seen My work.

For forty years I loathed that generation,

And said they are a people who err in their heart,

And they do not know My ways.

Therefore I swore in My anger,

Truly they shall not enter into My rest.” (Psalm 95:7-11 NASB1995)

[See also: 1 Corinthians 10:1-22; Hebrews 3:1-19; Hebrews 4:1-13]

We read in 1 Corinthians 10:1-22 that God was not pleased with most of the Israelites who wandered in the wilderness for 40 years because they craved evil, and they were idolaters, drunkards, revelers, and immoral people who tried and tested the Lord, and who grumbled against God and his servant Moses. And these things happened as examples for us, so that we will not crave evil things as they did, and so we will not do the evil that they did. And these things were written down for our instruction, as examples to us.

Then in Hebrews 3 and in Hebrews 4 we have a repeat of what we read in Psalm 95. The wording is a little different, but the message is the same.

And we read in Hebrews 3 and 4 that we are to take care that none of us has an evil unbelieving heart that falls away from the living God. For it was the disobedient to God who did not enter into his rest. And they were not able to enter because of unbelief, i.e. disobedience. And those who formerly had good news preached to them failed to enter into God’s eternal rest because of disobedience. So we are to be diligent to enter that rest, so that no one will fall, through following the same example of disobedience.

Therefore, what we are to take away from this is that disobedience to God = unbelief, and obedience to God = belief (faith in Jesus Christ).

For Jesus Christ taught that to come to him we must deny self, take up our cross daily (die daily to sin), and follow (obey) him. For if we hold on to living in sin and for self, we will lose our lives for eternity. But if we deny self, die daily to sin, by the Spirit, and we walk in obedience to our Lord and to his commands, in his power, then we have eternal life with God. For not everyone who calls him “Lord” will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one DOING (obeying) the will of God (see Luke 9:23-26; Matthew 7:21-23).

For by God-gifted faith in Jesus Christ, which is not of our own doing, we are crucified with Christ in death to sin and raised with Christ to walk in newness of life in him, no longer to live as slaves to sin but as slaves to righteousness in walks of obedience to God’s commands. We are no longer to permit sin to reign in our mortal bodies to make us obey its desires. For if sin is what we obey, it results in death. But if obedience to God is what we obey, it results in sanctification, and its end is eternal life with God (see Romans 6:1-23).

So, the call here is to let us all know that if we hear the voice of the Lord, through the written word by reading it ourselves, or by hearing someone else read it to us, we are to take God’s word seriously, believe it, and then obey it. For faith in Jesus Christ is not of ourselves. It is not of our own doing lest we should boast that we did something to earn or to deserve our own salvation. Both our faith and our salvation are gifted to us by God, and they are persuaded of God for us to die to sin and to obey God’s commands.

We are not to harden our hearts in rebellion against the Lord and against his commands. We are not to put Christ to the test thinking that we can keep on in our sin, and that we don’t have to obey God, because we prayed the prayer to “receive Christ” or because we made a verbal profession of faith in Christ as Lord, believing that God resurrected him from the dead. For if you read these Scriptures you will see that faith in Christ, which is genuine, results in us dying to sin and obeying God, or it is not faith which saves.

[Matthew 7:13-14,21-23; Luke 9:23-26; John 10:27-30; Acts 26:18; Romans 1:18-32; Romans 2:5-10; Romans 3:23; Romans 6:1-23; Romans 8:1-14; 1 Corinthians 10:1-22; Galatians 5:16-24; Ephesians 2:8-10; Ephesians 4:17-32; Ephesians 5:3-6; Titus 2:11-14; Hebrews 3:1-19; Hebrews 4:1-13; Hebrews 10:19-39; Hebrews 12:1-2; 1 Peter 2:24; 1 John 1:1-10; 1 John 2:3-6; 1 John 3:4-10; Revelation 2:1-29; Revelation 3:1-22]

For Our Nation

An Original Work / September 11, 2012
Christ’s Free Servant, Sue J Love
Recording Via Gerry Peters, music producer and arranger

Bombs are bursting. Night is falling.
Jesus Christ is gently calling
You to follow Him in all ways.
Trust Him with your life today.
Make Him your Lord and your Savior.
Turn from your sin. Follow Jesus.
He will forgive you of your sin;
Cleanse your heart, made new within.

Men betraying: Our trust fraying.
On our knees to God we’re praying,
Seeking God to give us answers
That are only found in Him.
God is sovereign over all things.
Nothing from His mind escaping.
He has all things under His command,
And will work all for good.

Jesus Christ is gently calling
You to follow Him in all ways.

Men deceiving: We’re believing
In our Lord, and interceding
For our nation and its people
To obey their God today.
He is our hope for our future.
For our wounds He offers suture.
He is all we need for this life.
Trust Him with your life today.

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