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rjs330 · 2025-10-27T23:10:21-0500

iluvatar5150 said:
Everyone? You obviously don’t.

What are you talking about? Obama didn't do that? Were all the newspapers and media lying about it?

iluvatar5150 said:
It does matter if you want to point to Obama as having been the one who initiated it.

No it doesn't because he and Michelle were the ones who spent the money and did the remodeling. Certainly you are denying that. Why are you fighting that so hard?

Like I said, I don't really care if he dis or didn't. Thats not the point I was making. The point was he did it on taxpayer money and no one on the left or in the media gave a clap.

But when Trump does with private funds suddenly the left and the media cares deeply and wants to criticize it. Its patently ridiculous.

Obama did it, I don't care, it probably needed to be done.

Trump is doing it, I don't care, it sounds like it needed to be done. AND he's not using taxpayer money to do it.

RandyPNW · 2025-10-27T23:03:20-0500

impressedquote194 said:
What is it like? is it a glorified city in the stars? i personally think it is an immaterial place that existed before god created the material universe. it is gods presence and spiritual in nature.

There are a number of self-proclaimed prophets who claim to have been there, and have described it in some detail. I heard from one on Elijah Streams, and thought it interesting. I have no idea how real it is, or if it's symbolic, or whatever. But Paul did claim to have gone to the 3rd heaven, whatever that is.

Personally, I focus on the New Earth, which I think will be somewhat like the present earth because we've been told that the present earth will exist forever. But it will become a "new earth" at some point, indicating some major changes.

The new earth will have an enormous city of Jerusalem, reaching up into outer space. But again, this could be symbolic. I'm interested in comments....

GodDoesListen55 · 2025-10-27T23:00:24-0500

Carl Emerson · 2025-10-27T22:55:31-0500

johansen said:
probably lost to history,
google doesn't return the search result anymore but you've been around long enough to have found it already.
there is a long list of failed biblical prophecies on a certain website, it is well researched, and there really is no way to make it all work.

much of what prophets pickup on and write down is conditional and they don't have perfect knowledge of that when they write down what they hear or see.

so some perspectives are such that much of Ezekiel was conditional on Jesus being accepted in his time. thus, never crucified.

and i think it could have worked out that way.

to bring back Sodum would require some kind of almost magical dna restoration of a people group that lived about 3500 years ago.

The interesting thing is that those who believe in Universalism have an easy answer !!!

stevevw · 2025-10-27T22:54:31-0500

This is now a fact. The data shows that violence on the Left is rising.

Throughout history we have seen violence from the Left and the Right. But right now it is the Left and we can see this trend going way back. What we are seeing now is the extreme end result of a cultivated ideology over years.

It is true that fundementally this is a spiritual battle about what is good and how we should order society and the world. About human being the gods of their own world.

SiegePerilous · 2025-10-27T22:54:29-0500

Based on my research, the location of the Holy Grail was likely already known to those who started the Holy Crusades in 1095 AD. But why would they send people looking to secure the Grail when they knew it was already secure in León?

Hail, and well met. My name is Philip Perras, and I believe that I have found the Holy Grail.

Chalice of Doña Urraca

Not hidden in some far-off ruin, but quietly preserved in the Basilica of San Isidoro, enshrined by Princess Doña Urraca of León. This chalice—composed of an ancient onyx cup and dish—matches the historical path and timing needed to trace it back to the Last Supper. But more importantly, its symbolism reveals something far greater than just a relic.

The true Grail, I believe, is not simply a cup. It’s a message about how to live. Through Jesus’s life, through King Ferdinand’s rule, and through Urraca’s artistic and personal choices, one theme rings clear: the pursuit of balance, humility, and virtue. What Christian theology calls wisdom, what philosophers call the Golden Mean.

I’ve compiled my research—historical, symbolic, and spiritual—into a short essay. It’s now published and available for free or donation on Leanpub:

The True Location of the Holy Grail With Sources - an Essay by Philip Perras
(Simply slide the payment bar to $0.00 to download for free.)

If you’ve ever felt that the Grail was more than a myth, more than a relic... if you believe it could be a path, a message, and a way to live—then I invite you to read.

Glory to God in wisdom and in mystery.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chalice_of_Doña_Urraca

Philip_B · 2025-10-27T22:50:25-0500

Is that because there is a hole in the bucket?

johansen · 2025-10-27T22:47:29-0500

probably lost to history,
google doesn't return the search result anymore but you've been around long enough to have found it already.
there is a long list of failed biblical prophecies on a certain website, it is well researched, and there really is no way to make it all work.

much of what prophets pickup on and write down is conditional and they don't have perfect knowledge of that when they write down what they hear or see.

so some perspectives are such that much of Ezekiel was conditional on Jesus being accepted in his time. thus, never crucified.

and i think it could have worked out that way.

to bring back Sodum would require some kind of almost magical dna restoration of a people group that lived about 3500 years ago.

NBB · 2025-10-27T22:40:23-0500

Desk trauma said:
Which one specifically?

idk, i was vaccinated, i didn't join the craziness that they wanted to put me vaccines every 6 months but i did once.
but there are supposedly doctors, that said they (mrna) vaccines caused harm

NxNW · 2025-10-27T22:35:29-0500

Aryeh Jay said:
The sun is expected to run out of hydrogen in 4 or so billion years.

I'm running out of time.

EdyChristian28 · 2025-10-27T22:34:23-0500

The sugar content in a lot stuff is off the charts. We didn't eat this or such a manner 50 years ago.

Oat or corn flakes cereal with stevia and cinnamon.
natural fruit smoothies, Its when you dig in to a brownie or chocolate chip cookie ice cream pint that is difficult to manage.

whole grain carbs. carbs besides sugar.

impressedquote194 · 2025-10-27T22:33:23-0500

What is it like? is it a glorified city in the stars? i personally think it is an immaterial place that existed before god created the material universe. it is gods presence and spiritual in nature.

Soyeong · 2025-10-27T22:33:16-0500

Mercy Shown said:
The Sabbath sits right there in the Ten Commandments. In fact, it has become the icon of the Law for many Sabbatarians. It is the punchline of many moralistic arguments and the centerpiece of Sabbatarian doctrine. To them, it is to be kept just as strictly as any of the other nine commandments. Yet the others carry natural, immediate consequences when violated. For example, if I kill someone, I may be killed myself or imprisoned for the rest of my life. If I covet my neighbor’s wife, I may end up in the hospital or the morgue. Sabbath breaking, however, has no such visible consequence. That creates a battleground where Christians often cross swords.

What fascinates me most is how people use the broad platitude “keep the Sabbath,” even to the point of wearing the label “Sabbath Keeper.” It certainly comes with the temptation to look down on those not “discerning enough” to agree with Sabbath keeping, and it can be an ego boost for those who enjoy a sense of spiritual superiority. Not all are like that, of course. There are many sincere Sabbath keepers who do so with humility and love, considering themselves no better than anyone else.

Yet for most who carry the label, the one thing they rarely address is the specifics of true Sabbath keeping. The moment one asks “How should it actually be practiced?” disagreements erupt. The Sabbath-keeping community is deeply divided over what is appropriate and what is not. It is far easier to remain in the comfort of the broad label than to open the can of worms and define the boundaries. Still, if Sabbath keeping is truly salvific, should the precise observance of it not be extremely important? One would hate to wear the label all their life only to discover they had been doing it wrong.

I could give examples, but for now, I will leave the worms in that can a little longer.

Breaking the Sabbath carries the death penalty, though the consequences for breaking God's laws are not uniform. Many of God's laws call for further explanation for how to correct obey them. For example, what exactly does it mean to commit idolatry? Can we eat food that has been prevopoisly offered to idols? Can we nullify idols? Can we reuse the materials that we used to make an idol? Or what exactly counts as committing murder? Can we kill in self defense in the middle of the day or night? Is it murder to kill in war? Is abortion murder? Is euthanasia murder? What if someone accidentally commits manslaughter? Or what what exactly does it mean to honor parents? Do we need to do whatever they tell us? What if our parents are abusive? Do we have an obligation to financially support our parents? If so, how much? And so forth. There is nothing about discussing what exactly is permitted on the Sabbath that is problematic.

Fervent · 2025-10-27T22:20:01-0500

It's only a matter of time whenever human beings come to believe that they define what it means to be good before violence starts being defensible.

stevevw · 2025-10-27T22:16:35-0500

BCP1928 said:
Yes, all of it derogatory.

Its all derogatory, all of it and nothing said is anything but derogatory. Obviously a falsehood and hyperbole.

Whereas a good chunk of this thread has been turned into one big ad hominem against anyone who dares suggest alternative or advanced knowledge in attacking good scientists and people involved including myself.

BCP1928 said:
As you know, I am a journeyman machinist (retired) and recognize that you were not being condescending to me personally, but merely expressing your distain for skilled craftsmen generally (including those of ancient Egypt.)

Show me exactly where I did this. This is your opinion with absolutely no evidence. Your moralising things. You say expressing my disdain, surely a subjective opinion because some dare propose alternative knowledge and tech based on the evidence.

While the reality is I can actually go back and find personal attacks on these good people involved. This whole thread has been turned into an attack on anyone who dares suggest such things lol. Calling them whackos, conspiracy theorists, psuedoscience, amateurs, ect.

The pot calling the kettle black.

If you want to moralise everything. You say I am attacking ancient Egyptians because its proposed they had advanced knowledge lol. Which is actually a compliment to them. Its the other way around. By denying their advanced knowledge which they also testify to having it is the skeptics who are condescending of the ancients ability by denying their own testimony and ability.

BCP1928 said:
You clearly hold your own personal ability and expertise to be higher than mine, but it's interesting that despite repeated questioning, you won't tell us what it is.

Really, this is all silly. I hold my own personal ability and expertise to a higher degree than yours. Show me where I said this. Your reading personal stuff into this. The only thing I said was that the experts I was quoting have expertise. That if your going to play the game of citing experts than this is a silly game.

BCP1928 said:
Then we wait for more evidence. At least, that's the "orthodox" thing to do. Apparently that doesn't stop you from making certain conclusions without it.

No science is not just settling for the orthodoxy. Thats dogma. Its questioning things and being open to alternative ideas. Thats how science progresses.

bbbbbbb · 2025-10-27T22:16:12-0500

kitchen team

bbbbbbb · 2025-10-27T22:15:16-0500

Deirdre

Bradskii · 2025-10-27T22:13:59-0500

Postvieww said:
I did say designated terrorist. They are enemy combatants and we kill them . Just like Obama did.

Ah, I see. Trump can define people as terrorists and you can kill them with no problem. Of course, he's banking on people being so ill informed that they think that dealing in drugs can be described as terrorism thus enabling extra judicial killings.

What you must do, and I really mean that you must, is think about where that argument will end up. If you have a guy growing pot in his garden can you take him out? If there's a dealer on the street can you simply shoot him? How much drugs justify it execution with no due process. Yes, due process. Everyone MUST be granted that. Evidence produced. Legal arguments put forward. A verdict given.

You aren't thinking about this whatsoever. You're giving a basic knee jerk reaction. Bad guy...kill...kill good...bad man dead.

You're not heading towards a failed state. You're there already.

bbbbbbb · 2025-10-27T22:13:42-0500

Sure yum

green fried tomato?

bbbbbbb · 2025-10-27T22:12:13-0500

coach bus

johansen · 2025-10-27T22:11:50-0500

I ran across a case similar to yours and i knew i wasn't able to reply to the man but basically he had been asking God for salvation for some time, and that was not happening. I asked God what was going on and the reply i got was "i am showing him how evil he is"

something similar could be going on with yourself.

ask God to show you why you are refusing him.

bbbbbbb · 2025-10-27T22:09:44-0500

Movie theaters can be glamorous.

bbbbbbb · 2025-10-27T22:08:19-0500

on a landline or a cell phone?

Rotary telephones are . . .

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