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biblelesson · 2025-11-25T00:55:06-0600

BelieveItOarKnot said:
But you see none of these observations are even accurate. What is accurate is that the package of Adam and Eve came PREPACKAGED with FAULTS.

Paul outlined this clearly in 1 Cor. 15:42-46 showing us exactly the conditions that
Adam and “all” natural people are planted in. These 3 things also correlate to Eve’s built in flaws:

Planted in corruption
Planted in dishonor
Planted in weakness

Is there supposed to be some surprise if outcome of making decisions with those pre-existing conditions is not and can never be moral? We make every decision from those planted conditions. Basically being seeded in dung, within the darkness of earth, our own dust body.

There were no preexisting conditions in Adam and Eve. They were two pure beings that had free will. The sin came from the serpent.

Before eating from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, Adam and Eve were perfect beings, and had the right to eat from the tree of life. If there was any corruption in them, they would not have been given the right to eat from the tree of life.

But, when they exercised their free will, and ate from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, they were filled with the wrong spirit. The spirit was Satan’s spirit that became apart of man.

As far as Planted in corruption, Planted in dishonor, Planted in weakness - this is speaking of man after Adam - man from the point of Adam sin, is born into corruption, etc. Through Adam, creation became corrupted.

If Eve had only eaten from the wrong tree, nothing would have happened to creation, because God created man; woman was made from man. It’s the man’s seed that became corrupt, therefore children born from the corrupted man’s seed is born into sin. Not the woman.

That’s why Jesus had to be born without the male seed, yet he still could be born through an untainted pure virgin and the Holy Ghost - God’s Holy Seed was placed in her.

That’s why the Bible tells us Jesus came in the likeness of sinful flesh - Likeness - He was born without man’s corrupted seed.

Dan1988 · 2025-11-25T00:44:00-0600

JulieB67 said:
Your doctrine makes no sense and is totally unbiblical.

II Peter 3:9 "The Lord is not slack concerning His promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance."

If it were all laid out in stone as you suggest, than God would not have to be so long suffering. If he's already giving them the gift of repentance, why is he so long suffering?

Another unbiblical statement. But yes, let's continue to redefine,-death, perish, destroy, etc..

This verse will always ring true-

John 3:16 "For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in Him should not perish, but have everlasting life."

To state anything other than what this verse plainly states would be a lie. Only one person gets life in that equation. The other perishes.

So he created some people he chose to burn for an eternity? Are you actually hearing yourself?

You are confusing certain elect with other Christians. But that's another subject for another day.....

Wow, says the person that posts this-

Romans 3:25 "Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in His blood, to declare His righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;"

Where's the present and future in that?

So you are basically stating this verse isn't true?

Romans 12:2 "And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God."

We will always fall short and sin in the flesh but to say that verse is not possible is untrue. One can always mature as a Christian and then it becomes easier to put God's will over our own. When we fall, we get back on path. But to say it doesn't matter, we cant change is unbiblical. Repentance is a change of heart and mind. To think differently So your doctrine does not come from the Word of God.

Christ would state something very different to the Christian churches that had fallen away. Only those that overcome from what where they had fallen would not have their names blotted out. Those that overcome would not be in danger of the second death. Christ is telling people to repent over and over. He's not giving them the gift of repentance. Upon belief in him and true repentance we are given the gift of eternal life. Where are you getting this stuff? The ones he's telling to repent are Christian churches. Why is he telling them to repent if he's already given them the gift of repentance? You make no sense and yet continually insult others on their beliefs.

I John 1:6 "If we say that we have fellowship with Him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth:"

If you continue to walk in darkness the truth is not even in you.

It sounds like you're just making up things as you go along because what you are stating is not biblical. Indoctrinated it sounds like. I was once there as well. But the truth can really set us free.

You have placed your faith in Jacob Arminius, but you will never find a single verse in the bible to support your "saved by works" version of the gospel.
I see you have taken every verse out of it's intended context and twisted it's to change it's meaning to suit your works based version of the gospel.

I have presented the gospel, as it is in the Bible but you reject it because it offends you, and here's why IO believe you are offended.
This is speaking about the two kinds of people responding to the gospel. >>2 Cor 2:16 To the one we are the aroma of death leading to death, and to the other the aroma of life leading to life. And who is sufficient for these things?

To me the gospel is the aroma of life, so I love it. You reject it because you can't stand the fact that God has the right to do what ever He wants with His creation. God said He elected some for honour and some for dishonour but you reject what God has said.

I praise God for tormenting sinners in hell for all eternity, just as I praise Him for everything else He does. You can't praise Him if you don't agree with what He does.

The gospel confirms that Christ has atoned for all of the past, present and future sins of Gods people. We are dead to sin, and death ha lost it's power over us. We already have eternal life, we are already saved, we're not working to earn our salvation as you and all the followers of Jacob Arminius are.

Gene2memE · 2025-11-25T00:41:49-0600

Landon Caeli said:
Do you think that it matters in the reality of the world, which nations participate in that?

No, but it matters for that graph. It's measuring poverty rates between OECD peers. That's only capable because they have an agreement that ensures there is data sharing on a like for like basis.

Landon Caeli said:
The comment was made that socialistic economies are better for the poor than capitalist ones, while excluding a huge number of countries in the data set. That's not useful.

No, the comment was that "democratic socialist" countries populate the low end of child poverty rates.

Democratic socialist is a subset of socalist countries.

They - generally speaking - combine democratic representative governments with substantial state involvement in the economy with universal social safety nets. Typical features include state-owned monopoly corporations which act according to a charter rather than purely financial considerations, some form of state-led economic planning and strong regulatory controls, particularly around labour.

Some may seek socialist reformation of the economy, while others are more concerned with market socialism as a way to curb the 'race to the bottom' excesses of unregulated capitalism. Generally that's a social democracy vs democratic socialism distinction, but time and popular usage has blurred those lines.

another_lost_guy · 2025-11-25T00:14:51-0600

I never had a girlfriend in my 22 years of life until I met the love of my life in 2024. She passed away earlier this year. She wasn't perfect but was closer to it than anyone I've ever met. Witty, innocent, gorgeous, thoughtful, forgiving, the whole 9 yards. We were waiting until marriage to have sex, both of us were virgins. She told me she didn't know what she would do if I died first, and that she would probably become a nun. I told her I would never remarry if anything were to happen to her. We didn't get a chance to get married to begin with, but sure enough, something did happen to her. I intend to honor the spirit of what I promised, I know there is no Biblical obligation, but I find it to be romantic to do so. But it has been and will be difficult for me. It's been 6 months since she passed now. I don't know why the Lord took her from this earth so early. She was just 19. I know that there's no marriage in heaven, but I really want to see her again. Without getting too graphic, we were not 100% innocent. We never had sex, but we definitely had very intimate moments together. Have I already defiled the marriage bed with her? Were/are we one flesh? Does that even matter when it comes to seeing her again? How can I find the resolve to honor what I promised to her? I don't mean to spark any played-out gender war nonsense but I am generally unimpressed with the American dating pool. I'm not necessarily longing for another woman, but I always envisioned myself having a family one day. Has anybody else been in a similar situation?

David Lamb · 2025-11-25T00:02:33-0600

Palmfever said:
Horse pucky

Sorry, but I have no idea what "horse pucky" means, or how it answers what I posted.

rambot · 2025-11-25T00:01:00-0600

BPPLEE said:
Why is it okay to copy and paste some article from a source that leans left, or right but it's not okay to use AI?

Because you don't know what source the AI got it from. How do you know hte AI source is good?

This should be basic stuff here.

BPPLEE said:
Either way is dialing it in but I don't see anyone complaining about copy and paste jobs as long as a source is given

Yes. Because. source is given.

AI is not a source. AI is like a slave that finds you the information that it wants on the topic you ask it to. But it doesn't tell you where it found it all. So. The slave is not the source; where the slave gets it; that's the source.

It should not be a hidden trinket of knowledge to understand that knowing the source of information is going to add legitimacy to a piece of information.

rambot · 2025-11-24T23:57:26-0600

ThatRobGuy said:
Trying to pretend that members of one party have a monopoly on that abhorrent behavior is just absurd.

Calm your jets. He was referring to one person not a party.

rambot · 2025-11-24T23:55:17-0600

PloverWing said:
Last I heard, this was an urban legend. What school was this, when did it happen, and what is your source?

a billion percent.
One of my....very simple students came up to me last year saying she didn't want to go to her new high school cause "my dad heard they let kids be cats in there".

It is never ever true. And they never ever admit it. And they never ever stop listening to the liars. And so they never learn.

durangodawood · 2025-11-24T23:51:42-0600

RDKirk said:
Nobody will be charged under the AI overview.

Not yet.....

rambot · 2025-11-24T23:47:16-0600

Hentenza said:
You are discounting the problem of the social pressures to conform that kids are experiencing today in both their school environment and social media to the point that some studies are even calling it a normal part of exploration. Its sad really.

Honestly, and I mean no disrespect, all that's happenning is that we disagree not that I am not discounting "the problem of social pressures".

I teach in a junior high. Before that I worked in a youth treatment centre. My kids are 16 and 11. My 16 year old daughter is a drama nerd. I am RIGHT in the scope of it all. As mentioned in another thread, my daughter even went through it (seems to be coming out the other side).
I'm not sure how I could be MORE aware of the social pressures.
I am not catastrophizing and reacting out of fear; reacting like that is too "reptilian brained" for me. I am acting out of the love and knowledge I have that my kid will figure out where she is at when she is ready. With our numerous long conversations and recent ones, I've been blessed that she's been comfortable enough to keep in the the loop as she talks and thinks about it.

Frankly, I'm inclined to think that I actually have a fanTASTIC accounting of how robust the social pressure is. And I also know about what the affect that positive parents has on those kids. I know that present decent parents will be able to manage this just fine.

I would appreciate the things you say when, if you include the phrase "studies" says or anything of the sort, that you include the research in a link.

Landon Caeli · 2025-11-24T23:42:28-0600

comana said:
Does that principle also apply to conservatives triggered by Gay Days?

My kids are triggered by pride rainbows, even though I'm not. They immediately start complaining about it, but they've never said anything about MAGA gear.

I guess maybe they're little conservatives? So the answer to your question seems to be yes for some?

stevevw · 2025-11-24T23:29:43-0600

Hans Blaster said:
Then what is it about???

Well for one when the OP says theres giant flaw in the mainstream narrative of human history. This relates more to philosophy than science overall. Though it can include science as a method within the philosophy of epistemic and metaphysics compared to other ways to see human history and knowledge.

But it certainly is not a cold, hard factual thread of just objective science but also of philsophy of science. Otherwise all it would be doing in doubling down on the idea that it is the material science that is partly to blame for creating the flaw in the narrative by pushing this worldview over all else in this thread. It becomes another situation dominated by one methodology and epistemics in how we should see the world.

Hans Blaster said:
Which is determined by examining the things they made and the things they wrote.

Partly. Like I said you could look at the things they made and if the ancients did use say chemistry and messing around with the physics of material nature. If the ancients knowledge came from their belief and experiences how would you prove this.

We could perhaps prove the out of place signature is real and was caused by some sort of machining. We could prove the ancients purposely designed the pyramids to generate some sort of energy they used.

But you will not ever believe that this was the result of some transcedent knowledge.

So it is better to prove that there is transcedent knoewledge before trying to show in in specific examples that your never going to believe and will always want a material and scientific explanation for.

Hans Blaster said:
What in the Local Group is this? Your OP was about whether there were settled civilizations earlier than claimed in the "mainstream narratives". What about the this whatever it is had a thing to do with if we can find permanent settlements?

(Feel free to not try, as there is none.)

I can't even understand what you wrote. Whats the local group. What does "What about the this whatever it is had a thing to do with if we can find permanent settlements?" even mean.

The OP is not just about "whether there were settled civilizations earlier than claimed in the mainstream narratives". Its about why and how this is the case. Its about the out of place works which show a level of knowledge that the mainstream cannot account for. Its about how the orthodoxy is promoted over alternative explanations and why.

Which is all about philosophy, epistemics and metaphysics. Really its more about the clash of worldviews as to which narrative should be told about human history.

Hans Blaster said:
I prefer Euclidean geometry in a spherical coordinate system, but the natural geometry is a bendy spacetime. (Lousy nature.)

There it is the belief poopping out again. This is a beliefs, a metaphysical belief. When you call ancient knowledge lousy this is a belief and not science.

Hans Blaster said:
Clearly I am not in charge of of the natural geometry of reality. Sigh. Not sure what this would have to do with ancient civilizations. It was only "discovered/invented" in the 19th century by Riemann and ID'd with reality in the early 20th.

Ah then you have not done your research. Its been around for millenia. In fact natural or sacred geometry, astronomy, and tracking other natural phenomena in nature was the form of communication that played the role or what we would use language and writing or mathmatics today.

It was symbolic and rather than just a 2D equation on paper they actually embodies the maths, and astronomy into their reality. Just as nature does.

We can even see this at Gobekli Tepe and the symbolism and geometry reflecting nature used 11,000 years ago.

A2SG · 2025-11-24T23:29:28-0600

2PhiloVoid said:
On a certain humanist, philosophical, psycho-social level, I agree with you that children should get a say in expressing how they feel about themselves and their relation to the world they live in. However, this becomes a problem when the powers that be decide to create and push a social, legal agenda that co-opts the children's struggles for the promotion of their own political paradigm and legislative policy.

Like if a certain school district requires that children only be called by the name on their birth certificate?

I knew a girl in school way back when named Priscilla. She hated that name, especially since her family had for a long time shortened it to Prissy. In school, she insisted everyone call her Chuck. We did, as did her teachers. The parents didn't need to be informed at that time. I ran into her a while back, and she still goes by Chuck, but otherwise has no other gender issues.

-- A2SG, she's married now, and has a couple of kids of her own, and lets them be called whatever they want to be called....

FunkDocktaXXVII · 2025-11-24T23:27:40-0600

Thank you very much!

Couple quick questions, would a or The Catholic Church recognize my marriage? (We just went to the courthouse 4 yrs ago, legal and all, but not in a church of any sort) and how do they handle baptism? My 4 yr old and 2 yr old have not been baptized yet and I would like them to be.

durangodawood · 2025-11-24T23:27:07-0600

BPPLEE said:
Why is it okay to copy and paste some article from a source that leans left, or right but it's not okay to use AI?
Either way is dialing it in but I don't see anyone complaining about copy and paste jobs as long as a source is given

Whos this "AI". Where did it get it facts from? Whos agenda does it serve, if any?

You can ask similar questions of journalists and get answers one way or anther. Not so with AI "stuff" as typically presented. Its just pure assertion pulled out of..... where exactly?

christianlloydteegardin · 2025-11-24T23:23:17-0600

timothyu said:
Understood. We sometimes assume things are not what they are.

The Devil loves it when we assume things are neutral when they're not.

Landon Caeli · 2025-11-24T23:22:00-0600

Hans Blaster said:
No different than churches.

You want more of both, I knew it. You're going to be super happy.

Belk · 2025-11-24T23:15:29-0600

essentialsaltes said:
‘She’s Trying to Take Down Trump’: Laura Loomer Slams ‘Despicable Traitor’ MTG for Joining Epstein Files Push
Far-right provocateur Laura Loomer is going scorched earth on Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene (R-Ga.), accusing the congresswoman of betraying Donald Trump by joining a bipartisan push to unseal the long-buried files of Jeffrey Epstein

“There’s become two Americas,” Greene said during the press conference. “There’s the America for the rich and the powerful and the elite—where they never face any struggles or problems… And then there’s forgotten America that faces all the problems and deals with all the issues and never gets justice for being sexually assaulted and raped by a monster.”

“This isn’t one political party or the other,” she added. “It’s a culmination of everyone [who] worked together to silence these women and protect Jeffrey Epstein and his cabal.”

Greene later revealed on Real America’s Voice that she had received “a lot of pushback” from Trump’s orbit for supporting the petition—but stopped short of blaming Trump himself.

Will the true protectors of Donald Trump please stand up? Is it the group trying to hide the files or the group trying to expose the files?

Isn't this admitting that Trump will be damaged by the release of the files?

timothyu · 2025-11-24T23:14:58-0600

christianlloydteegardin said:
Oh absolutely. I was just touching upon the dimension I experienced.

Understood. We sometimes assume things are not what they are.

A2SG · 2025-11-24T23:12:00-0600

Hentenza said:
One of my grandkids went through it so I have seen it.

I hope, for their sake, you were at least understanding of what they were going through. I know more than a few who faced complete condemnation, and a couple were even thrown out of the house for daring to be different. It does happen, unfortunately.

Hentenza said:
Maybe you never have and are just regurgitating far left nonsense.

Nah, I know more than a few people who have gone through this, and similar, experiences.

Hentenza said:
Who? If I was a teacher in a school district that required the use of preferred pronouns then it would be the school district.

Did you know that school districts also require teachers to go in front of a room full of kids and teach them stuff? If they refused to do that too, I highly doubt they'd continue being employed there.

Hentenza said:
If I worked for a company that requires them then it would be the company.

If you worked for a plumber, you'd be required to fix toilets. If you refused to do that, would they still pay you to work there?

Hentenza said:
Fortunately, so far the courts have ruled that forcing them is unconstitutional because it falls under compelled speech.

In some cases, but not every one. I believe it depends on the jurisdiction.

-- A2SG, how dare a school district compel math teachers to talk about numbers all day long! Maybe they would prefer to discuss poetry....

RDKirk · 2025-11-24T23:09:47-0600

Valletta said:
What is sedition?
Simply put, according to the Center for Strategic and International Studies (CSIS), a bipartisan think tank, sedition "is conduct or speech that incites individuals to violently rebel against the authority of the government."

Is sedition a crime?
Yes. In the U.S. Code, under 18 U.S.C. § 2384, sedition is characterized as "seditious conspiracy," which is defined as:

"Two or more persons in any State or Territory, or in any place subject to the jurisdiction of the United States, conspir(ing) to overthrow, put down, or to destroy by force the Government of the United States, or to levy war against them, or to oppose by force the authority thereof, or by force to prevent, hinder, or delay the execution of any law of the United States, or by force to seize, take, or possess any property of the United States contrary to the authority."

What is sedition? The laws, penalties and legitimacy of Trump's claims

Here’s a brief look at what sedition is under U.S. law, the penalties, and whether the lawmakers will face charges.

www.wbaltv.com

In both the UCMJ and the US code, it is made perfectly clear that "force" must be involved in sedition. This is the essential factor that keeps the actual sedition laws free from violating the Bill of Rights.

RDKirk · 2025-11-24T23:07:59-0600

stevevw said:
Who ever has to mention him every day and be completely consumed with him lol.

Are you kidding. The ABC is like the BBC lol. I would not trust them at all. Another State controlled media who push a partisan narrative.

The statue was real, and not reported only by ABC.

RDKirk · 2025-11-24T23:07:19-0600

Valletta said:
Do you realize I quote an AI overview and you quoted just one law?

Nobody will be charged under the AI overview.

A2SG · 2025-11-24T23:03:48-0600

Hentenza said:
Job requirements? So you agree then that preferred pronouns and names are forced on people under the threat of loosing their jobs.

If that's a requirement of the job, sure. Just like a plumber is required by his employer to work on toilets. If you don't like the requirements of the job you're being paid to do, you don't have to do it any longer.

Hentenza said:
And I guess you are ok with that.

My boss requires me to go to a certain building for about 8 hours at a time and do stuff. I'm okay with it because I get paid for doing that stuff. But if I suddenly decided I didn't want to do any of it any more, I doubt he'd keep paying me.

Pretty much how jobs work.

Hentenza said:
So three percent of the population does indeed dominate this requirement.

Not really. I doubt there are many within that three percent who employ teachers. A few, sure, but not all.

-- A2SG, and only insofar as the employee agrees to continue working for them....

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