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throughfierytrial · 2025-11-28T18:08:44-0600

Job 33:6 said:
I'm reading the Bible. Do you have a response for the verses that I've shared? And to be clear, no one is saying that God didn't create out of nothing. The question is, is that what Genesis is describing when it says that God created the heavens and the earth.

As we see in the passages I've shared, bara - to create, in the old testament does not mean "out of nothing". So when Genesis says that God created the heavens and the earth, it is not actually reasonable to simply assume that is what it is saying.

Indeed, Genesis says that the earth was formless. It does not say that the earth didn't exist at all.

No, God created you and all people before the creation of the world and he endows skills knowledge and wisdom. Refute Psalm 33:9 and Hebrews 11:3 and see my original post. Our differences are such that I feel we should end here. I pray the Lord will impart wisdom and that our discussion will prove to have been fruitful… if not now then maybe in the future.

ladodgers6 · 2025-11-28T18:08:36-0600

Fervent said:
Because I'm not interested in arguing over exegetical questions since genuine exegesis is too involved to do properly in a forum format such as this.

I once again beg to differ. But anyways good day to you.

CoreyD · 2025-11-28T18:07:27-0600

throughfiierytrial said:
So sorry, I am trying to keep up with your barage of questions which have faulty reasoning.

I'm sorry. You aren't up to a discussion then?
My mistake. I thought you said you were.

The question, If God's rest ended 24 hours after God ended his creation works, how could persons enter into that rest? is not only reasonable. It follows logic, since if one says the seventh day is literally 24 hours long, then that seventh day rest ended in Genesis 2, before Adam and Eve had sexual relations.
Therefore, to say that the 'rest' Israel had the prospect of entering is God's rest, as stated at Genesis 2:2, 3 would be impossible. Not logical

Perhaps you don't understand the import of the question. Or perhaps you do.
Whatever the case, you aren't ready for any discussion. So, I'll leave you to it.

throughfiierytrial said:
God rested on the 7th day... some Isrealites it appears did not understand this is also a reference to our heavenly rest not the earthly rest in Canaan...witness the Hebrews 4 7-9 passages. This is saying the promise of eternal rest still stands...Joshua who led the Isrealites into Canaan for their earthly rest did not achieve that rest, God rested on the 7th day and this was their pattern to follow...they too were to rest on that 7th day and He tells them why in the commandment I cited you already. There is symbolism to follow in Scripture...Proverbs tells us this, Paul unravels some, Jesus unravels much of it.
Joshua 22:4:
4 Now that the Lord your God has given them rest as he promised, return to your homes in the land that Moses the servant of the Lord gave you on the other side of the Jordan.
This is a flavor of the the land of rest, the promised land, Canaan which turns out to be only a symbol of eternal rest...heaven

The other question, Could you provide the scripture that specifically says God "pointed them to the promise of heaven? was asked for you to support the claim that "God rested on the 7th day... is also a reference to our heavenly rest" which isn't anywhere in the Bible.
Hence, why the question remains unanswered.

However, you take care throughfiierytrial. :bye:

boughtwithaprice · 2025-11-28T18:06:48-0600

SabbathBlessings said:
I have made a practice not to continue debating when someone uses their own words as if its equal to God's. Your argument is not Biblically supported, There is no Scripture that says the NC changed God's 4th commandment. This goes against God's very own teaching where He said the exact opposite. I will not alter the words of the covenant Deut4:13 Psa89:34 not a jot or tittle Mat5:18-19, so not something as small as a dot of an i or cross of a t can pass from the law of God, so changing it is going against the clear will of God. He predicted the Sabbath would be changed Dan7:25 but not by Him and there is a clear history of this already provided and they admit doing so based on their authority over the word of God. Anytime, when we elevate a man-made teaching over one of God's commandments, it is profaning it, Jesus used the phrase worshipping Him in vain Mat15:3-14 Mark7:7-13, even if we do not think so. Its why God Himself said not keeping the Sabbath is going after idols Eze20:16. Its replacing the Authority of God with another authority. I know it sounds good to the ears that we can receive God's blessings and sanctification on a day God made for work and labors, but its not something we can find in our Bibles. God in His own words condemned this. Eze22:26 Eze20:16 Isa66:17

In my view of the Bible, we are to change our life around God's word, not the other way around. God was specific for a reason, just like he was with Adam and Eve and just like He was with the children of Israel during their trial of the wilderness. God does want to bless Isa56:2 and sanctify us Eze20:12 but its based on His power of Authority Exo20:11, not based on what man wants.

Anyway, I wish you well, I am going to leave it as agree to disagree.

I do not consider it arguing because we both believe the Sabbath was instituted by God, and I do not argue profaning it. You say it is my words and not scripture but Paul says the same that I am saying in Romans 14

4- Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? To his own lord he standeth or falleth. And he shall stand: for God is able to make him stand 5 For one judgeth between day and day: and another judgeth every day: let every man abound in his own sense.
6 He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord. And he that eateth, eateth to the Lord: for he giveth thanks to God. And he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth thanks to God. 7 For none of us liveth to himself; and no man dieth to himself. 8 For whether we live, we live unto the Lord; or whether we die, we die unto the Lord. Therefore, whether we live, or whether we die, we are the Lord's. 9 For to this end Christ died and rose again; that he might be Lord both of the dead and of the living. 10 But thou, why judgest thou thy brother? or thou, why dost thou despise thy brother? For we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ.

Keeping everyday alike does not nullify the Sabbath, it amplifies it. We are to deny ourselves always and mortify the deeds of our flesh. In doing so, we never profane the Sabbath.

This Sabbath only teaching is obviously a distraction in the body of Christ

Scripture also says in Matthew 7

16 By their fruits you shall know them. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles? 17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit, and the evil tree bringeth forth evil fruit. 18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can an evil tree bring forth good fruit. 19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit, shall be cut down, and shall be cast into the fire. 20 Wherefore by their fruits you shall know them.

What is the fruit of Sabbath only teaching? To some it is a way to honor God. To others it is a cause of arrogance and ridicule causing some souls to view themselves superior which is against scripture which says consider all others as better than yourself

I do not say you do that, but there have been many SDA in my experience that do that and they are not rebuked. Does SDA not wish to instill humility in their adherents?

The error that SDA teaching on Romans 14 makes is that they claim others use it to justify profaning the Sabbath. It may be true for some but it does not reflect Church teaching and is therefore a misleading argument

I pray to God you seek the truth and not presume you already have it. This conversation with you has opened my eyes to further truth. Sunday does not nullify nor replace the Sabbath but celebrates its continuation
We have ceased from our labors by denying ourselves

Christsfreeservant · 2025-11-28T18:05:07-0600

John the Baptist was called of God, even before he was born, to be “The voice of one crying in the wilderness, make ready the way of the Lord, make his paths straight.” And he did exactly as the Lord had called him to do. He came preaching in the wilderness of Judea, saying, “Repent, for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.” And people were coming to him to be baptized by him in the Jordan River, as they confessed their sins (see Matthew 3:1-6).

“But when he saw many of the Pharisees and Sadducees coming for baptism, he said to them, ‘You brood of vipers, who warned you to flee from the wrath to come? Therefore bear fruit in keeping with repentance; and do not suppose that you can say to yourselves, “We have Abraham for our father”; for I say to you that from these stones God is able to raise up children to Abraham. The axe is already laid at the root of the trees; therefore every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire.’” (Matthew 3:7-10 NASB1995)

The scribes and Pharisees (and Sadducees, too) of Jesus’ day were skilled at hypocrisy. Jesus described them in this way (see Matthew 16 & 23):

• They do not practice what they preach

• They do their deeds to be seen by others

• They love places of honor; they love attention

• They lead people to hell on the promise of heaven

• They profess one thing but live the opposite

• They adhere to religious rituals but not to God’s righteousness

• They appear clean (righteous) outwardly but inwardly are evil

• They are full of wicked deeds, greed, hypocrisy and self-indulgence

• They persecute those who are truly righteous in God’s sight

• Their teaching is not to be trusted; not to be followed

Therefore, when John saw them coming to him for baptism he did not trust their motives. He doubted the genuineness of their actions, and for good reason. So he called them a “brood of vipers.” For they were malicious, treacherous, and venomous in their nature and in their actions. And they were deceptive, and sneaky, and those who liked to trap people with their words, and who got pleasure out of causing other people pain.

So, he knew that they were not coming to have their hearts, minds, and actions altered (changed, transformed) via genuine repentance. He knew that they were not wanting God to change them inside and out so that they would escape the wrath of God to come. And so he let them know that genuine repentance will result in the bearing of spiritual and biblical fruit (results, outgrowth). There will be evidence that a change has taken place.

And the same is true for us today. For repentance is not just mouthing words of confession of sin, but it is a change of heart and mind resulting in a change of behavior. And it is gifted to us by God, as is our faith, as is our salvation from sin. And it has to do with us dying to sin, being changed in heart and mind by God, and us now walking (in conduct) in obedience to our Lord’s commands, living holy lives pleasing to God, by the grace of God.

And just because you attend services at an institutional “church,” and perhaps you went through the waters of baptism, or just because your parents claimed to be Christians, or you serve on some kind of church committee, that does not mean you are a follower of Jesus Christ. Just because you verbalize faith in Jesus Christ, it does not guarantee you salvation from sin or eternal life with God. We must truly repent.

And the Scriptures make it very clear that if we do not have that change of heart and mind, resulting in a change of behavior, and if sin is still what we practice, and not obedience to God and to his commands, we will not have salvation from sin nor eternal life with God. And that was John’s point to the Pharisees and to the Sadducees. And that is God’s point to us, as well. For it is not a verbal confession of faith in Jesus Christ which saves us, but it is obedience to God that results in life eternal with God/Christ in heaven.

[Matthew 7:13-14,21-23; Luke 9:23-26; John 10:27-30; Acts 26:18; Romans 1:18-32; Romans 2:5-10; Romans 3:23; Romans 6:1-23; Romans 8:1-14; 1 Corinthians 10:1-22; Galatians 5:16-24; Ephesians 2:8-10; Ephesians 4:17-32; Ephesians 5:3-6; Titus 2:11-14; Hebrews 3:1-19; Hebrews 4:1-13; Hebrews 10:19-39; Hebrews 12:1-2; 1 Peter 2:24; 1 John 1:1-10; 1 John 2:3-6; 1 John 3:4-10; Revelation 2:1-29; Revelation 3:1-22]

Walking in The Light

Based off 1 John 1-2
An Original Work / November 16, 2011
Christ’s Free Servant, Sue J Love

When I lift up my voice, and
Sing praise unto God,
I will fellowship with my
Lord and Savior, King.
In Him there is no darkness.
He is in the light of truth.
If we walk in His light,
From sin He purifies.

If we repent of our sins,
He’ll forgive us now,
When we humble ourselves, and
Before Jesus bow.
The man who says, “I know Him,”
But does not obey His truth,
There is no truth in him.
In darkness still he’s found.

Do not love the world of sin,
For it is hell bound.
If you follow the world, you’ll
Not in Christ be found.
The world and its desires
Will not last; they’ll expire.
The one who does God’s will,
Receives eternal life.

See that what you have heard from
Christ remains in you.
Then, you’ll remain in Christ, and
In His Father, too.
This is what He promised us –
His eternal life with God.
So, continue in Him, and
You’ll receive a crown.

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Bear Fruit in Keeping with Repentance
An Original Work / November 28, 2025
Christ’s Free Servant, Sue J Love

Anonymous9090 · 2025-11-28T18:04:12-0600

Pray The Holy Spirit Intensely Fights Against & Defeats AI-generated Synthetic pornography:

https://www.economist.com/international/2025/11/27/ai-is-upending-the-porn-industry

MarcusGregor · 2025-11-28T18:03:03-0600

Valletta said:
"I am hereby cancelling all Executive Orders, and anything else that was not directly signed by Crooked Joe Biden, because the people who operated the Autopen did so illegally."

BREAKING: Trump Declares Any Document Signed by Biden with Autopen is Terminated | The Gateway Pundit | by Cristina Laila

President Trump on Friday declared any document signed by Joe Biden with an autopen is “hereby terminated and of no further force or effect.” “Any document signed by Sleepy Joe Biden with the Autopen, which was approximately 92% of them, is hereby terminated, and of no further force or effect.

www.thegatewaypundit.com

We can't have a country where unknown people issue presidential orders.

Lol, No he didn't. That's not how that works.

FaithT · 2025-11-28T18:02:55-0600

Michie said:
So glad to hear you bought it and are enjoying it! I hope you had a very happy Thanksgiving.

Thanks. I hope you did, too. I did until my little grandson had a meltdown….

Well, that was one of the rare times I’ve called that a meltdown. When our daughter was little we called them “fits”.

Akita Suggagaki · 2025-11-28T18:01:03-0600

Nithavela said:
Ah, so general making america great again.

Good to know.

Tariffs lead to business closures. Small businesses especially. They ,lack the resources of larger companies, and are particularly vulnerable as they may be forced to raise prices, reduce their product lines, or absorb higher costs to stay afloat, with some ultimately unable to do so and shutting down.

Of course they are Trump’s idea so all good.

FaithT · 2025-11-28T17:56:25-0600

Michie said:
No it’s not a sin. God created the flower. If you simply like the flower there is nothing wrong with that. It does not matter what Hindus or Buddhists use it for.

Michie, I was thinking of you recently because I absolutely love anything that sparkles. I was at Hobby Lobby several weeks ago (and again today, too). And bought a sparkly crystal, (or maybe it’s glass), box to put some of my jewelry in. The lid is in the form of a sparkly lotus flower and catches the light any way I turn it. I thought of you and this thread when I bought it.

Konnie King · 2025-11-28T17:47:52-0600

Underdog

HARK! · 2025-11-28T17:46:46-0600

NxNW said:
As usual, gold and silver are the ones crashing, because they are terrible investments.

Gold, silver tumble in biggest daily drop in years
Gold (GC=F) and silver (SI=F) prices tumbled in their biggest daily drops in years as stunning rally in precious metals came to a halt. Spot gold dropped as much as 6.3% to just under $4,100 per troy ounce, its largest intraday drop since 2013. Silver also tumbled more than 8% in its worst day since 2021.

Is this a new record high?

Silver Price Today | Price of Silver Per Ounce | 24 Hour Spot Chart | KITCO

Live Silver Charts and Silver Spot Price from International Silver Markets, Prices from New York, London, Hong Kong and Sydney provided by Kitco.

www.kitco.com

Up almost 6% in one day!

another_lost_guy · 2025-11-28T17:43:36-0600

Hans Blaster said:
No one is fighting with your god, Steve. Those of us who don't believe in your god just don't care about your god.

As a democrat you should know more than anyone that it is possible to aggress against a person without necessarily thinking about that person. In fact the lack of caring itself can be seen as an act of aggression. Complaining about that kind of thing is the democrats' bread and butter

Hentenza · 2025-11-28T17:34:10-0600

Freth said:
What does scripture say?

Genesis 26:4-5 And I will make thy seed to multiply as the stars of heaven, and will give unto thy seed all these countries; and in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed; Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws.

Which commandments? Which statutes? Which laws?

Dan Perez · 2025-11-28T17:29:30-0600

Always in His Presence said:
Eph 2 - I believe it refers to the 12 - the Apostles of the Lamb

Where does Barnabus fit in?
Or the 70 others?

And first APOSTLES. means MESSENGERS and will be sitting on 12 Thrones judging Israel , REV 1:6 in. the

MILLENNIAL KINGDOM are then . 12 apostles

The OTHERS are in Eph 4:11 and HE gave , indeed the APOSTLES which. means MESSANGERS

and. the PROPHETS is. one that speaks forth. a Devine message

and EVANGELISTS. means a bringer of good news

and the PASTORS. called SHEPERDS

and teachers.

AND in Eph 4:12 for building up the BODY OF CHRIST

# A IS for Israell

#B Is for the BODY OF CHRIST and to preach ONLY PREACH WHAT Paulb taught in 2 Tim 2:15 , to To PRESENT

yourself accepted by God. a workman HAVING NO SHAME , RIGHTLY DIVIDING the word of TRUTH and Paul ONLY

PREACHED the GRACE OF GOD in Romans 16:25 and 2 6. PERIOD

ALL THE 12. APOSTLES. of he 4 GOSPELS N as you now are DEAD ~~

# C The b only A[OSTLES for n n today are ONLY in v the BODY OF CHRIST !!

dan p

BCP1928 · 2025-11-28T17:25:48-0600

Hans Blaster said:
What "revolutions of the mid-20th century"? I must have missed them as I don't recall any.

You don't suppose he means the hippies, by any chance?

Jipsah · 2025-11-28T17:14:11-0600

Dan1988 said:
No, that's not true because Gods Word proves that the gospel is awful because it has the stench of death.

Wow. St. Paul took a very different view:
6 For I am not ashamed of the gospel, because it is the power of God that brings salvation to everyone who believes: first to the Jew, then to the Gentile.

Your religion apparently denies that. Imagine my shock.

Dan1988 said:
It's like approaching an unbeliever and telling them that a stinking corpse smells good.
You need to deal with the truth of the gospel.

The "truth" that your gurus have made up

rambot · 2025-11-28T17:11:37-0600

Nithavela said:
Never have people celebrated being taxed this hard.

Hey it's not a tax if Trump does it. In fact, it doesn't actually impact anyone at all in any way.

Except for that kid who touched a tarriff and his conjunctivitis was healed.

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