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Hentenza · 2025-12-06T17:13:46-0600

Lost4words said:
You mentioned a cloak though...

It’s part of the verse. Jesus tells the disciples to, if necessary, sell their cloaks to buy the sword.

Belk · 2025-12-06T17:13:43-0600

rjs330 said:
Islamism is a much greater threat than Christian Nationalism.

Not to me, it is not.

BPPLEE · 2025-12-06T17:13:41-0600

GoldenBoy89 said:
The right, otoh, still believe the 2020 election was rigged against Trump.

It is remarkable that a man who couldn’t draw a crowd and campaigned from his basement for the most part got more votes than Obama

durangodawood · 2025-12-06T17:10:24-0600

BPPLEE said:
Democrats clung to the charade until the debate exposed Biden and the media was faced with losing all credibility, only then did anything change.
How many months were we told that those videos of Biden’s gaffes and wandering around lost were cleverly edited deep fakes?
The left clung to that nonsense until it just wasn’t possible anymore

And then they moved on. Unlike loads of people in the center-right including so called "serious people" like congressmen who to this day cant just say Biden won a fair election.

But really, most D voters had gnawing doubts about Biden. He was good enough to muddle through was the best they would grant. No one thought he was "sharp" even if they, like me, still thought he maintained better judgement and a sounder moral compass than his likely opponent. As for me I was very disappointed he reneged on his earlier one-term promise. And that was before the debate debacle. In that particular regard his judgement and hubris were dismal imo.

WordSword · 2025-12-06T17:06:57-0600

SabbathBlessings said:
I am a big believer of allowing the Bible to define Itself. The Law that was added because of sin (animal scarifies) cannot be the same law that defines what sin is. 1 John3:4 James 2:11 Rom7:7 Mat5:19-30 I believe James spoke of exactly what he was referring to what "He said" only quoting and contrasting the Ten Commandments. James2:11 Deut4:13 Exo20:1-17 Exo31:18

It's ok of course but we just differ in our understanding concerning the Law and the OT. God bless!

The Liturgist · 2025-12-06T17:06:04-0600

Hentenza said:
Look at the names of the week.

In English, we have three days of the week with obvious Pagan connections, two Germanic, one Hellenic, but this is a specific quirk of the English language. in the Romance languages, the word for Saturday is derived from the Latin word Sabato - Sabbath, and the word for Sunday is derived from the Latin word Dominica - meaning Lord’s Day.

Unqualified · 2025-12-06T17:03:52-0600

it helps for me to go to church. I may not be friends with a lot of them but I am cordial with a lot. Church people treat me decently. But friends are more rare.

GoldenBoy89 · 2025-12-06T17:02:28-0600

BPPLEE said:
Democrats clung to the charade until the debate exposed Biden and the media was faced with losing all credibility, only then did anything change.
How many months were we told that those videos of Biden’s gaffes and wandering around lost were cleverly edited deep fakes?
The left clung to that nonsense until it just wasn’t possible anymore

The right, otoh, still believe the 2020 election was rigged against Trump.

rjs330 · 2025-12-06T17:01:28-0600

Larniavc said:
Like the Christian Nationalists in America?

Islamism is a much greater threat than Christian Nationalism.

rjs330 · 2025-12-06T16:59:54-0600

Larniavc said:
But they both have members who call for the death of the gays today.

Sure there are those that do. However, in many Islamic countries death is codified in law. And in America where Christianity is still dominant for now, there is no such thing. Let the Islamists take over and there will be.

Dan Perez · 2025-12-06T16:58:51-0600

SabbathBlessings said:
Sadly, many people do believe what is written on the internet and teachings of man over the teachings/commandments of God. Its what we were warned would happen.

2 Tim 4:3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine, but according to their own desires, because they have itching ears, they will heap up for themselves teachers; 4 and they will turn their ears away from the truth, and be turned aside to fables.

Jesus is the Truth John 14:6
All His commandments are Truth Psa 119:151
His Word is Truth John 17:17
His Truth sets us free John 8:32

God placed His seal of the living God that claims His name (Lord) Title (Creator) and Territory (Heaven and Earth) in the Ten Commandments and in the 4th commandment Exo20:11 and tells us in the end times this is the God we are to worship Rev14:7 only God can remove His seal and He never did, it is His written and spoken Testimony Exo31:18. Unless we are sealed by God, there is only one other option. All God wants is to spend holy time with His children to bless us Isa56:2 and sanctify us Eze20:12 and to be our God Eze20:20 sadly so many reject this for mans traditions and their own sanctification Isa66:17, they want to do this their way instead of Gods. Just like Adam and Eve in the garden, just like those tested in the wilderness. Heb3:8 Heb 4:6 Eze 20:15-16 Heb4:11

Mark 7:And in vain they worship Me,
Teaching as doctrines the commandments of men.’
8 For laying aside the commandment of God, you hold the tradition of men

Happy Sabbath my friends! God's True Lords Day He claimed in His own Words Isa58:13. Instead of fighting this for some odd reason pray to God and ask His help in obeying Him. It is a moral issue. Love and worship to God is moral and worship according to Jesus is through obedience to God's commandments, not mans. Mark7:7-13 Mat15:3-14 John14:15 Isa66:23 Heb5:9 whoever we obey is who we serve/worship Rom6:16 even if we don't think we are doing so, but its the direction we are heading and our decisions we make, leads us in the path we are heading and one day our decisions will be sealed Rev22:11

AND are you not also using you using the internet AND this what COL 2:16 says ::

Therefore , do. NOT // ME is a DISJUNCATIVE PARTICLE NEGATIVE , NEVERRRRR. let anyone. JUDGE YOU in EATING.

or DRINKING. or in respect of a FEAST DAY. or NEW MOON. or SABBATH.

dan p

GoldenBoy89 · 2025-12-06T16:58:49-0600

BPPLEE said:
Like Biden is sharp as a tack, and you don’t care about the laptop but the lie that it was Russian disinformation helped Biden win the election

I think Trump’s disastrous response to Covid likely gave Biden the win. 4 years of sluggish recovery and most voters had moved on and forgot but now they’re once again being reminded daily why Trump deserved to lose in 2020.

BPPLEE · 2025-12-06T16:56:35-0600

durangodawood said:
Absolutely his inner circle and party management was protecting him and filtering what we could see by limiting exposure etc. And almost certainly they were lying to protect him.

But thats beside the point. The point being: what segments of the political spectrum are correlated with receptivity to total nonsense and made up stuff. Its about whos likely to cling to nonsense after solid evidence is apparent for all to see.

Democrats clung to the charade until the debate exposed Biden and the media was faced with losing all credibility, only then did anything change.
How many months were we told that those videos of Biden’s gaffes and wandering around lost were cleverly edited deep fakes?
The left clung to that nonsense until it just wasn’t possible anymore

The Liturgist · 2025-12-06T16:55:54-0600

Freth said:
Noticeably absent in this declaration is tradition. In fact, Jesus warned against tradition.

This is false.

The same saint you’re quoting, St. Paul, endorsed tradition explicitly in 2 Thessalonians 2:15 and 1 Coirnthians 11:2, and indeed in 2 Thessalonians 3:5 St. Paul tells us to avoid those who reject the Apostolic tradition.

Christ our True God, in the context of the pericopde you’re quoting, is not condemning Christian tradtion, which was received from Him, and includes such important things as the contents of the New Testament, the Nicene Creed, the doctrine of the Trinity, the rejection of Pelagianism and certain other misreadings of the New Testament such as Docetism, but rather, a specific tradition of the Pharisees.

The Pharisees had a belief in a man-made tradition, one specific part of which is referred to here, which contradicted the Holy Tradition of the Prophets which by the time of Christ few believed in (St. John the Baptist being one example, St. Symeon another, St. Lazarus another, St. Joseph of Arimathea, another, and which was rejected by the Sadducees and other Jews (but the Sadducees also rejected a belief in eternal life, which the Pharisees correctly believed in, so each group was in error in its own particular way, since they had rejected the Holy Tradition of Moses in favor of their own man-made traditions).

If Christ rejected all tradition, then St. Paul would not have commanded us to follow the Apostolic tradition in 1 Corinthians 11:2, 2 Thessalonians 2:15, or to avoid those who reject it in 2 Thessalonians 3:5 (on which basis we avoid fellowship with Mormons and Jehovah’s Witnesses).

I have a problem with hermeneutics that selectively quote the Apostles and demand we read some verses in a literal manner, applying as broadly as possible, while rejecting a literal interpretation of other verses, for example, John 6:53-55.

And I am not alone on this. The relelentless criticism of traditional churches is extremely hurtful to members of this site who are pious and devout Christians, members such as my excellent Lutheran friends @MarkRohfrietsch @ViaCrucis and dear @Ain't Zwinglian , my dear Anglican friends @Jipsah @PloverWing @seeking.IAM and ShaneR, and my pious co-religionists in the Orthodox Church @prodromos @FenderTL5 @jas3 , and my gallant Roman Catholic friends such as @Xeno.of.athens and @RileyG and @chevyontheriver , all of whom have over the years been so kind to me, even as other members have questioned my faith, or accused me of teaching false doctrine, or said unpleasant things, because, for example, I use an Orthodox icon of our Lord and the Theotokos as my avatar.

it is driven by a false dichotomy of Roman Catholicism vs. radical Restorationism, a kind of extreme anti-traditional Christianity that opposes the teachings of Martin Luther, John Wesley, John Calvin, Thomas Cranmer and the other actual leaders of the Protestant Reformation, and even those of the Radical Reformation and the early Baptists. Historically, Restorationism originated in the 19th century, and some Restorationists embraced tradition, whereas others rejected it, but all shared the belief that the doctrines of the early church had been forgotten and needed to be “restored.”

Hentenza · 2025-12-06T16:50:41-0600

The Liturgist said:
I’m not a fan of the name but that has nothing to do with the science of travel to and from the Moon. Suggesting as much is literally the nominalist fallacy.

Regarding Apollo, a number of early Christian martyrs had that name, and that of Dionysius, for instance, St. DIonysius the Aeropagite Indeed due to the large number of Christian martyrs named Dionysius I think Dionysius would be an ideal name for the Lunar mission, as a way of stealthily getting in a Christian reference without the ACLU being able to do anything about it.

Unfortunately the tendency is to name things after lesser gods. Look at the names of the week. However it seems that we embrace it as part of our daily lives.

rjs330 · 2025-12-06T16:48:44-0600

Servus said:
1 John should be required reading.

I agree. Every believer sins. But every believer does not walk in sin. Scripture teaches us that we all commit sins and it teaches us that we should not walk in sin, or continue in sin. Christians should walk in continual repentance. Which does not mean walking around in sackloth and ashes. It means always recognizing when we fail asking for forgiveness and then changing our life with the power of the Holy Spirit and not make excuses to continue in the practice.

Dan Perez · 2025-12-06T16:45:46-0600

Freth said:
The Ten are binding for eternity (Isaiah 66:22-23), for if the Sabbath is indeed a perpetual covenant and a sign (Exodus 31:13-16), then the rest of the Ten are part of that covenant, written in the heart.

Hebrews 10:16 This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them.

The most compelling evidence to me is this. Jesus surrounds this statement with His authority.

Utmost Authority:

Revelation 22:13 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.

Commandment keepers enter the city and have access to the tree of life:

Revelation 22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.

Those who break the commandments are outside the city:

Revelation 22:15 For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.

Utmost Authority:

Revelation 22:16 I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.

May is conditional upon commandment keeping.
What commandments? Verse 15 is quoting from the Ten, and is effectively summarizing the Ten in its scope.

The wicked love and make a lie. What lie? That the Ten commandments aren't binding, for they are breaking the Ten commandments. How do we know? The very definition of sin is transgression of the law of God, or lawlessness (1 John 3:4).

If the issue of the end time is one of worship, the worship commandments (1-4) are of specific importance, and are being magnified in the book of Revelation.

I would go further and say that the lie not only points to the Ten as a whole, but specifically to the fourth commandment, which was prophesied as being changed in Daniel 7:25, and did change in all of Christendom; not as a commandment of God (God's law doesn't change), but a tradition of men.

The standard for the Ten remains the same.

Deuteronomy 4:2 Ye shall not add unto the word which I command you, neither shall ye diminish ought from it, that ye may keep the commandments of the Lord your God which I command you.

Revelation 22:18-19 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.

What happens to those outside the city?

Revelation 20:7-10 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison, And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog, and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea. And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them. And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

And not surprised by the by. Heb 10:16 and who is PAUL wrote to HEBREWS to HEBREWS. and NOT

to then. BODY of CHRIST. !!

Read HEB 9:18. as it was the BLOOD of ANIMALS and NOT THE BLOOD OF JESUS. and that is b. why the LAW. had

to be set aside and then ALL who are SAVED ( BY . ROM 10:9 AND 10. can be saved and be

PLACED INTO V THE BODY of CHRIST ) by 1 Cor 12:13. !!

dan p

CLEEB · 2025-12-06T16:45:07-0600

Acts 2:47 Who added to the number ? Such as should be saved. Acts 2:39 all who the Lord our GOD shall call. The saints are a chosen people, 1 Peter 2:9 Colossians 3:12 The elect, the saints, the chosen have been personally chosen by GOD to be in HIS church. There are few of them.

lucypevensie · 2025-12-06T16:43:50-0600

Covered wagon

durangodawood · 2025-12-06T16:43:27-0600

BPPLEE said:
If no one believed it then the Democrats and the media were blatantly lying to us. I guess you find that funny for some reason

Absolutely his inner circle and party management was protecting him and filtering what we could see by limiting exposure etc. And almost certainly they were lying to protect him.

But thats beside the point. The point being: what segments of the political spectrum are correlated with receptivity to total nonsense and made up stuff. Its about whos likely to cling to nonsense after solid evidence is apparent for all to see.

timothyu · 2025-12-06T16:41:40-0600

True, but who or what made them that way? There but for the grace of God, and all that.

timothyu · 2025-12-06T16:40:26-0600

Even good things can be idolized, taking attention away from God.

The Liturgist · 2025-12-06T16:37:15-0600

Hentenza said:

I’m not a fan of the name but that has nothing to do with the science of travel to and from the Moon. Suggesting as much is literally the nominalist fallacy.

Regarding Apollo, a number of early Christian martyrs had that name, and that of Dionysius, for instance, St. DIonysius the Aeropagite Indeed due to the large number of Christian martyrs named Dionysius I think Dionysius would be an ideal name for the Lunar mission, as a way of stealthily getting in a Christian reference without the ACLU being able to do anything about it.

BPPLEE · 2025-12-06T16:32:05-0600

durangodawood said:
Thats funny. Literally no one believed that.

On the other side we have loads congress people and other high officials who cant even say Biden won the presidency legitimately. The contrast is night and day here.

If no one believed it then the Democrats and the media were blatantly lying to us. I guess you find that funny for some reason

durangodawood · 2025-12-06T16:31:44-0600

BPPLEE said:
Well she’s moving back towards your tent now

We'll see how eager people are to let her in.

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