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The law, the commandments, and Christians.

Grace is necessary for everything, whether turning to Him to begin with or remaining in Him or growing in Him, in His likeness. If we remain in Him and He and us, we'll produce much good fruit and the life of grace will become stronger in us yet. But grace can be resisted, by His discretion, for our highest good. The will of man, again, is never taken out of the equation. We can, again, fail to persevere, fail to remain in Him, fail to live by the Spirit. And that's why we're warned against those things. Those who persevere, again, will prove themselves to have been good soil.
Is there a reason you do not want to address the residency of Christ in a person's heart and the multitude of things that are wholely dependent on His presence?
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Hell doesn't exist and there is no eternal suffering, instead bad peolle just cease to exist

I think the idea here has nothing to do with the sin but with doing what glorifies God. Jesus answered that neither had sinned (him or his parents). His sight being restored made the beggar a witness to Christ and, therefore, is doing God’s work.
I completely concur. The point of the beggar‘s blindness was to glorify the father through the works of the Son. I’m simply trying to point out, somehow in the minds of the disciples, the man could have sinned “before” he was born. Perhaps an idea impressed upon them from pagan influences but nonetheless, the idea is noted in thought via divine inspiration of the Scriptures. As I stated earlier, I find it intriguing … but I’m not advocating the teaching of reincarnation.

blessngs,
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Mississippi School Homecoming Celebrations Turn Deadly as 8 People are Killed 20 Injured in Separate Shootings

Well if yall think Mississippi is going to change its gun laws, then you better look for another solution.
The solution is to have stronger gun laws at the federal level.
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Another look at the moon landing.

Sorry, but I doubt very much that you know the top dogs.

Not know them but can read about them.

AI Overview


Sean Duffy is Trump pick for NASA interim head

Sean Duffy is the acting administrator of NASA, holding the position while also serving as the Secretary of the U.S. Department of Transportation. Amit Kshatriya serves as the associate administrator, which is the highest-ranking civil servant, and Casey Swails is the deputy associate administrator, assisting with day-to-day operations and strategic direction.
  • Acting Administrator: Sean Duffy
    • He was appointed by President Trump and also holds his position as the Secretary of Transportation.
  • Associate Administrator: Amit Kshatriya
    • He is the highest-ranking civil servant at NASA and advises the administrator.
  • Deputy Associate Administrator: Casey Swails
    • He is the principal advisor to the associate administrator and helps with daily operations and strategic planning
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Mississippi School Homecoming Celebrations Turn Deadly as 8 People are Killed 20 Injured in Separate Shootings

I don't know anything about the research this medical journal did, and don't automatically trust it. Gun sales aren't exactly medicine, so that makes this outfit most likely to be politically partisan while masquerading as something upstanding in the field of medicine.
Gun violence is a public health crisis, so that's why doctors conduct studies on gun-related issues and medical journals publish their findings. While there will always be biases, the studies and articles usually cite their sources, which prevents them from blatantly misrepresenting the data.

It is actually illegal here in the United States to sell a gun to someone legally prohibited from purchasing a gun.
That's the law, but how can you know if the person you intend to sell a gun to is prohibited from purchasing a gun?

When guns are legally registered to you - and you registered upon purchase like 99.9% of gun owners in America - anything that happens with that gun is still potentially on you.
There is no gun registry at the federal level, and very few states require gun registration.

let's say you sold your gun to joe blow and he goes and commits a crime with the gun, and then it's found the individual was a felon at the time of the sale, guess what - you get to go to jail.
18 U.S.C. § 922(d)

"It shall be unlawful for any person to sell or otherwise dispose of any firearm or ammunition to any person knowing or having reasonable cause to believe that such person, including as a juvenile... prohibited persons, such as felons, fugitives, etc.

The only way you can get charged for selling a gun to someone that's later used in a crime is if you sold it to them knowing in advance that they were prohibited from owning a gun or that they intended to use it to commit a crime. Most people aren't going to provide that type of information, and if you were to ask, unless they are just stupid, they are going to say no.

Being hyper careful about the who, you are entering into a private gun sale with is exceedingly important.
I agree.

The private gun sale behind the counter of a convenience store to a felon or other criminal type is illegal on its face and the seller is as criminal as the buyer in such a situation.
If the seller had no idea that the person they sold the gun to was a felon or intended to use the gun in a crime, only the buyer is the criminal.

If we were to set law enforcement free to enforce the laws on the books we would be well served as a society. We don't need new laws we need to simply enforce the laws we have. Just straight up.
There are no laws on the books that prevent me from buying a gun today without a background check and a record of me doing so. A person who is prohibited from owning a gun can also go online or to a flea market and purchase a gun today from someone without a background check and a record of them doing so in most states. There needs to be a law at the federal level that requires background checks on all gun purchases with severe penalties for both buyers and sellers who are caught making a transaction without one.
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Post-tribulation Rapture Believers Safe House

yet no "Before the tribulation He will send His angels to gather His elect from one end of the sky to the other" in all of scripture.

I think we do agree on that much

Matt 24:
29 “But immediately after the tribulation of those days ...31 And He will send forth His angels with a great trumpet and they will gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of the sky to the other.

That is post-trib language to a "T"

Not according to Matt 24.

Matt 24 context starts with "what will be the sign of your coming?"

Peter says that the readers of the New Testament text were to "fix your hope completely on the grace to be brought to you at the revelation of Jesus Christ. 1 Pet 1:13

Christ is addressing the question the entire NT body of believers had.



The trumpet in 1 Thess 4, and 1 Cor 15 and Matt 24 are all the same. They are the singular hope and focus of the entire NT church

Matt 24 is for all the saints. Matt 28 ends with "make disciples of all nations, teaching them all that I taught you"

That is very different than "I was only teaching Jews, tells this to no gentile Christians"

Matt 24 is explicit "This gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in the whole world as a testimony to all the nations, and then the end will come."

I have some personal observations about Matt 24:30-31 in relation to Matt 24:39-41 and Matt 25:31-46.

The 2A (2nd Advent) is cited in verses Matt 24:30 and 39.

The gathering in Matt 24:31 is the same gathering in verses Matt 24:40-41.

That gathering occurs after the 2A and Armageddon.

I believe the judgment in Matt 25:41-46 (goats) has to be done before the millennial kingdom, because those folks are clearly persona non grata.

I therefore think Matt 25:31-40 (sheep) will also occur before the millennial kingdom.
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Learning from the Master Teacher Sent by Jesus: The Holy Spirit

Why not? His purpose is clearly stated by the Son.

John 16:
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However, when He, the Spirit of truth, has come, He will guide you into all truth; for He will not speak on His own authority, but whatever He hears He will speak; and He will tell you things to come. 14 He will glorify Me, for He will take of what is Mine and declare it to you. 15 All things that the Father has are Mine. Therefore I said that He [c]will take of Mine and declare it to you.
There is not a "divine purpose" for God. He is above everything else. And He's not created. And He's not limited.

The bolded pieces above indicate alignment with a certain view of the Holy Spirit that limits Him. But I have noticed that those who seek to limit God's Spirit do not seek to limit Jesus, though He said those same things about Himself. And, if you will notice, God's Spirit is not limited, since the things at His disposal include "All things that the Father has".
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Limited vs unlimited atonement?

I am not Calvinist. I don't disagree with Calvinism except on a couple of points that I know of. I am not Arminian either. I do not think those are the only Christianity possible.

God does choose. But I would not agree with it being said there is no basis that we can understand. Regardless, the plan of salvation is with the gospel that is revealed, that is what matters, and it is to be shared. God is not willing that any perish, according to the scripture, they should come to repentance that there would be in essential faith in responding to God. Do you disagree with that? If so do then explain.
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Hell doesn't exist and there is no eternal suffering, instead bad peolle just cease to exist

You claim to trust "ALL" that is written in the Holy Scriptures, while rejecting or refusing to accept those which contradict your "denominational views".
You approach to the Holy Scriptures, doesn't allow them to speak to you, because you "cherry pick" verses of the Bible.

Whenever I present verses which contradict your denominations teaching, you simply look for other verses which seem to support your view. But the problem with that type of defence is that, it relies on the premiss that there are contradictions in the Bible and everyone is free to hold to their own opposing views and there is no absolute truth in the Bible.

I don't believe there are any errors or contradictions or mixed messages in the Bible. I have invited you to show me a single verse to support your opinion that there are only two kinds of death in the Bible, but you have failed to do so. I have also asked you to find a single verse to support your opinion that hell is not a place where sinners experience "Eternal Conscience Torment", and again you have failed to find a single verse to support these doctrines you hold to.

You believe in the "cessation of existence or annihilation", but you have never found a single verse of scripture to support this private opinion either. you are entitled to your private opinion, but you can't claim that it true or correct without any evidence, apart from "it seems right in your own eyes", but the Bible has something to say about "mans private opinion" --

Proverbs 14:12 "There is a way that seems right to a man, but its end is the way of death".
or
Proverbs 3:5 "Trust in the Lord with all your heart, And lean not on your own understanding;

I understand that you are currently studying the Bible, and glad to hear that you are. Let me encourage you to continue, and allow me to share something I came to realise after studying the Bible for around three years. I had to discard and abandon many of the views and doctrines, which I held onto firmly.

It was very difficult to face the awful truth of the gospel, and allow the bible to interpret the bible. It meant that I had zero control over anything the Bible says. So, instead of me reading the Bible and drawing to conclusions, the Bible was reading me and showing me that I'm not called to evaluate or scrutinize Gods Word. Instead, God speaks for Himself through His Holy Spirit.

I found that every faithful believer, arrives at the same conclusions, because they are all led by the same Holy Spirit. We can look back over 2000 years of Church history and see the Church fathers holding to the exact same theology and doctrines, going right back to the Apostles.

Going back to our topic, I'd like to clarify what I said about man stepping into eternity. I never suggested that man's earthly body is immortal in it's present state. But all born again believers will receive their perfect, sinless, glorified "eternal" or "immortal" bodies in the life to come. We will be Chris like.
But our corrupt bodies of death, will be transformed, so there will be no corruption in us.

Likewise, all unbelievers will be resurrected and reunited with their corrupt earthly bodies and they will be cast into hell and they will feel the fires just as they would if they were back on earth, except their worm will never die and there will be wailing and gnashing of teeth and they will be tormented day and night for ever and ever. Ceasing to exist will not be an option.

There are only two kinds of existence in the Bible, "Life" and "Death". Those who are in Christ have life, those who are outside of Christ are "Dead", but not the death that many hope for. Those who are walking around dead on earth right now, will remain in their spiritually dead state forever, if they are not born again.
The rich man who was tormented in hell, asked Abraham if somebody could warn his five brothers back on earth, not to come to this place of torment. But he said, they have the prophets and scriptures. If they don't believe them, they won't believe one who comes back from the dead to warn them.

Your zealous promotion of your adopted religious philosophy, and your judgements against me notwithstanding, you asked me a question.

"Can you please show me a single place where I claimed that man is born immortal, I would never make such a silly statement in the first place."

Therefore, I posted two of your statements where you clearly promote the popular religious philosophy that humans are immortal. Some spend immortality in heaven with God, and some spend eternity being tortured with the demons who deceived them. I posted your own words where you preach to others that humans are immortal. I posed the question, if they are not born with immortality, which you and I believe is "Silly", then where did this Immortality that your statements claim they have, come from?

You didn't address the question, which is the most relevant question there is to ask, concerning the teaching that humans are immortal. I wish you had.

For me, I believe Jesus when HE said to "fear Him who can destroy both body and soul in hell fire", but "many", who come in Christ's Name, have chosen not to believe Him. When Jesus says "I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise "perish".", I believe Jesus, but "many" who promote the philosophies of this world's religious system don't believe Him.

The Scriptures teach, "The Soul that sins shall die", not the "soul that sins shall be granted immortality, then be tortured fort eternity with the immortal angels that deceived them.

I have considered Lazarus and the Rich man, but not as a verse to separate from the rest of the Bible, and then used to support the teaching that all humans are immortal. But I added this verse with all the other verses concerning the resurrection, and studied them.

A few things you didn't mention, is that the Rich man wasn't cognoscente of the time that had passed between Abraham's resurrection and his. He had remained dead for a 1000 years while Abraham and Lazarus were reigning with Christ after Christ's Return. That's a pretty large "Gulf" that existed between them. This means he didn't know his brothers were dead as well.

Luke 16 consists a group of Parables Jesus taught the people.

You have said in your statements "Death is being separated from God for all eternity, so they experience dying an d death forever while they are fully conscience with all of their feelings intact."

And yet in the Parable of Jesus you use to promote that all men are immortal, the Rich man was in the presence of God, and not only Him, but in the presence of Abraham and Lazarus as well. Surely you can see the contradiction.

Now understand that I believe I are free to adopt and promote whatever religious philosophy you want in my view, and I am only sharing the reasons why I don't believe in this popular religious philosophy, that all men are immortal.

And it is because of consideration of "ALL" Scriptures that I believe this. It is written in the Holy Scriptures:

Deut. 30: 19 I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, that "I have set before you" life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore choose life, that both thou and thy seed "may live":

This popular religious philosophy that God lied to all these people who chose "Death", and chose instead to give them immortality, and torture them forever along with the immortal angels that deceived them, is an awful and wicked judgment against God, and is not supported by Scriptures, if all of God's Words are considered, in my view.

It would be helpful if you could show us when God granted these men immortality, since you believe it is Silly to suggest they were born with it.

Perhaps I missed it in my studies. If you could show me where God directed Moses and the Prophets to teach us that all men are immortal, I would greatly appreciate it. The way it stands right now in my understanding, "If a man doesn't believe Moses and the Prophets, that the soul that sins "shall die", then neither will they be persuaded by Jesus, who rose from the dead, when HE teaches, "I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish."
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God, omnibenevolent or omnipotent and omniscient?

I am saying that God has to allow us to say yes or no to love. He knows what the angels and souls will say in advance and some are predestined to life by their choice when their opportunity comes. God is dependant on other agencies and gives grace and blessings, to help us choose life. Fallen angels block us and we need God and grace. Satan is the obstacle. God did not make this nature. He knew about it long ago. He uses or depends on it to give us a choice, since He won't tempt us. The only limit on omnipotence is not forcing love.
By trying to explain the unexplainable you made a caricature of God. Once again, God cannot be contingent on ANY agency. All of God’s attributes are absolute. Your argument relies on the fallacy of either/or. You compare and contrast Arminianism versus Calvinism which are but two soteriological theories. You also rely on only two options of accepting the love of God, either by violating His attributes or by God forcing the choice. Once again, this is an argument based on a fallacy. Your finite little brain, like all humans, can not fully understand an infinite being.
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AI understands the Sabbath and Col 2:16

Yes, you're right. The Sabbath didn't change It was ordained at Creation by God Exo 20:11 Gen 2:1-3 it can't change. Your point is one of the reasons I think God has protected Israel. You can trace the Sabbath back to the days of Jesus (and Creation) . The sign He is our Creator and Sanctifier.

Man does not have the right to change what is in God's Word or God's Sabbath. We are not to add to or take from God's commandments Deut4:2 Mat5:18 We were told in the last days many would make themselves teachers. 2 Tim 4:3-4. Even though this poster says he is SDA, this is not an SDA teachings.

This is what SDA's believe regarding God's Sabbath. Its one of our fundamental beliefs one accepts when they become an SDA.

The gracious Creator, after the six days of Creation, rested on the seventh day and instituted the Sabbath for all people as a memorial of Creation.

The fourth commandment of God’s unchangeable law requires the observance of this seventh-day Sabbath as the day of rest, worship, and ministry in harmony with the teaching and practice of Jesus, the Lord of the Sabbath.

The Sabbath is a day of delightful communion with God and one another. It is a symbol of our redemption in Christ, a sign of our sanctification, a token of our allegiance, and a foretaste of our eternal future in God’s kingdom.

The Sabbath is God’s perpetual sign of His eternal covenant between Him and His people. Joyful observance of this holy time from evening to evening, sunset to sunset, is a celebration of God’s creative and redemptive acts.

(Gen. 2:1-3; Exod. 20:8-11; 31:13-17; Lev. 23:32; Deut. 5:12-15; Isa. 56:5, 6; 58:13, 14; Ezek. 20:12, 20; Matt. 12:1-12; Mark 1:32; Luke 4:16; Heb. 4:1-11.)


Happy Sabbath!
Shabbat Shalom!
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Another look at the moon landing.

I still wouldn't trust NASA or believe any of them especially the top dogs.
Sorry, but I doubt very much that you know the top dogs.
And thousands of people work at/for NASA. It would be a bit like me saying "I don't trust the Irish, when I don't know anyone from Ireland."
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HEAR O ISRAEL, THE LORD OUR GOD IS ONE LORD...AND HIS COMMANDMENT ONE, HIS COMMANDMENTS... THE LAW AND PROPHETS.

What MANNER OF LOVE, the Father has GIVEN to us, to be called the Sons of God, and the world did not KNOW HIM, nor us. Every man that has that HOPE IN HIM, PURIFIES himself, EVEN AS HE IS PURE. These who are not pure at all, are the TRANSGRESSORS OF THE LAW. (NO PUFIFICATION AT ALL/THOSE IN THE LAW, HEARTS ARE PURIFIEDD BY FAITH. Acts 15:9.)

WHOSOEVER is born of God doe not commit sin, he cannot sin BECAUSE HE IS BORN OF GOD. In this MANIFESTS the children of God and the children of the devil, WHOSOEVER DOES NOT DO RIGHTEOUSNESS IS NOT OF GOD, NEITHER HE THAT DOES NOT LOVE HIS BROTHER.)

WE KNOW we have PASSED from DEATH unto LIFE, because WE LOVE THE BROTHERS. He that does NOT LOVE his brother ABIDES in DEATH.

Eternal life does not ABIDE in he who hates his brother, ETERNAL LIFE ABIDES in Christ, hereby we PERCEIVE the LOVE OF GOD, because HE LAYED DOWN HIS LIFE FOR US, and we should lay our lives down for the brothers.

If our heart does not CONDEMN US, we have CONFIDENCE towards God, we keep His commandments. (do those things that are pleasing in His sight/please NOT OURSELVES/please OUR NEIGHBOUR FOR HIS GOOD to edification/for EVEN CHRIST pleased not Himself, the reproaches of them that reproached the Father fell on Him. Romans 15:1-3.)

THIS IS HIS COMMANDMENT, that WE SHOULD BELIEVE on THE NAME OF HIS SON JESUS CHRIST, and LOVE ONE ANOTHER, as HE GAVE US COMMANDMENT.

Keeping His commandments, (HIM DWELLING IN US AND WE IN HIM.) we know He ABIDES in us, by the Spirit which He has given us. ( His love dwelling in us/His love is PERFECTED in us/the greater commandment to love one another as He has loved us/no greater love than this: for a man to lay down His life for His friends/we are His friends if we do all whatsoever He has commanded us.)






Acts 15:9 And put no difference between us and them, purifying their hearts by faith.

Romans 15:1 We then that are strong ought to bear the infirmities of the weak, and not to please ourselves.
2 Let every one of us please his neighbour for his good to edification.
3 For even Christ pleased not himself; but, as it is written, The reproaches of them that reproached thee fell on me.

1 John 3:1 Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not.
2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.
3 And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure.
4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.

1 John 3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
10 In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.

1 John 3:14 We know that we have passed from death unto life, because we love the brethren. He that loveth not his brother abideth in death.
15 Whosoever hateth his brother is a murderer: and ye know that no murderer hath eternal life abiding in him.
16 Hereby perceive we the love of God, because he laid down his life for us: and we ought to lay down our lives for the brethren.

1 John 3:21 Beloved, if our heart condemn us not, then have we confidence toward God.
22 And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him, because we keep his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight.
23 And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment.
24 And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us.





Let the beloved LOVE ONE ANOTHER, for love is OF GOD, and EVERY ONE that LOVES, is BORN OF GOD and KNOWS GOD. He who does NOT LOVE DOES NOT KNOW GOD, for GOD IS LOVE.

In this was MANIFESTED the LOVE OF GOD TOWARDS US, because that God SENT HIs ONLY BEGOTTEN SON into the WORLD, that we might LIVE THROUGH HIM. This is LOVE, not that we loved God, but that HE LOVED US, and SENT HIs Son to be PROPITIATION FOR OUR SINS.

If God so LOVED US, the beloved ought to LOVE ONE ANOTHER. If we LOVE ONE ANOTHER, God DWELLS IN US, and HIS LOVE is PERFCTED IN US. By this we KNOW we DWELL IN HIM, and HE IN US, because He has GIVEN us of His Spirit.

We love God because He first loved us, if a man says he loves God, yet hates his brother, he is a LIAR, how can he not love his brother who he HAS SEEN, and love God who he HAS NOT SEEN. This COMMANDMENT have we from Him, that he who LOVES GOD, LOVE his brother ALSO.





1 John 4:7 Beloved, let us love one another: for love is of God; and every one that loveth is born of God, and knoweth God.
8 He that loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love.
9 In this was manifested the love of God toward us, because that God sent his only begotten Son into the world, that we might live through him.
10 Herein is love, not that we loved God, but that he loved us, and sent his Son to be the propitiation for our sins.
11 Beloved, if God so loved us, we ought also to love one another.
12 No man hath seen God at any time. If we love one another, God dwelleth in us, and his love is perfected in us.
13 Hereby know we that we dwell in him, and he in us, because he hath given us of his Spirit.

1 John 4:19 We love him, because he first loved us.
20 If a man say, I love God, and hateth his brother, he is a liar: for he that loveth not his brother whom he hath seen, how can he love God whom he hath not seen?
21 And this commandment have we from him, That he who loveth God love his brother also.





Whosoever BELIEVES that Jesus is the Christ, is BORN OF GOD, and every one that LOVES Him that begat, LOVES HIM ALSO, that is begotten of Him. This is His COMMANDMENTS, LOVING GOD AND LOVING THE CHILDREN OF GOD. This is the LOVE OF GOD, that we keep His commandments, and His commandments are not grievous. (Hear o Israel the Lord your God is ONE God, and you shall love the Lord your God with all of your heart and your neighbour as yourself.)

Whosoever is BORN OF GOD OVERCOMES THE WORLD, this is the VICTORY that OVERCOMES THE WORLD, even OUR FAITH. Who is he that OVERCOMES THE WORD, but HE THAT BELLIEVES THAT JESUS IS THE SON OF GOD.

The children are found WALKING in TRUTH, (walk as He walked.) as we have RECEIVED a COMMANDMENT from the Father, not a new commandment written, but that which we had from the BEGINNING, that we LOVE ONE ANOTHER. This IS LOVE, that we WALK AFTER His commandments. This is THE COMMANDMENT, that as we have HEARD FROM THE BEGINNING, we should WALK IN IT.

Those who transgress, do not ABIDE in the DOCTRINE OF CHRIST, they HAVE NOT GOD. He who ABIDES in the DOCTRINE OF CHRIST, has BOTH THE FATHER AND THE SON. If any comes to you, and DOES NOT BRING THIS DOCTRINE, receive him not, or bid him, he that bids him God speed, is PARTAKER OF HIS EVIL DEEDS.






1 John 5:1 Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: and every one that loveth him that begat loveth him also that is begotten of him.
2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments.
3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.

1 John 5:4 For whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that overcometh the world, even our faith.
5 Who is he that overcometh the world, but he that believeth that Jesus is the Son of God?

2 John 1:4 I rejoiced greatly that I found of thy children walking in truth, as we have received a commandment from the Father.
5 And now I beseech thee, lady, not as though I wrote a new commandment unto thee, but that which we had from the beginning, that we love one another.
6 And this is love, that we walk after his commandments. This is the commandment, That, as ye have heard from the beginning, ye should walk in it.

2 John 1:9 Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son.
10 If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed:
11 For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds.





The REMNANT of the woman's seed, which keep the commandments of God. (the doctrine/testimony of Jesus Christ.)

The patience of the saints, here are they that keep the commandments of God. (the faith of Jesus, or they do evil deeds.)

He who OVERCOMES shall INHERIT all things, and He will be our God, we will be HIs son, but the UNBELIEVING, ABOMINABLE, ALL LIARS shall have their part in the second death.

Nothing that defiles enters, nothing that WORKS ABOMINATION, and MAKES A LIE, but they which are WRITTEN in the Lamb's book of LIFE.

Blessed are they that do His commandments, that they may have RIGHT to the tree of LIFE, TO ENTER IN THROUGH THE GATES INTO THE CITY. (Jesus Christ is the WAY the TRUTH and the LIFE/no man comes unto the Father but BY HIM. John 14:6.) without are whoremongers and murderers/(who hate their brother and do not LOVE HIM,) and serve what they covet, and WHOSOEVER LOVES AND MAKES A LIE.






Revelation 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

Revelation 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

Revelation 21:7 He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son.
8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

Revelation 21:27 And there shall in no wise enter into it any thing that defileth, neither whatsoever worketh abomination, or maketh a lie: but they which are written in the Lamb's book of life.

Revelation 22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
15 For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.

John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
Ok..."Love fulfills the law", meaning that love always keeps the commandments-God's way, by following Him now in the love that He's shown us and the love that He gives us-the love that the Pharisees lacked even if they obeyed the law, obeyed the commandments, externally, legalistically, by the letter. Love doesn't abolish the law; it simply fulfills it. It renders the law toothless, in a way, by actually doing what the law can only command one to do without giving us the righteousness to truly do it.

So love and the law are not enemies: they're on the same page, the law is based on the love of God. We simply need more than the law, more than to be told; we need the God-who-is-love to reside within us and that's the purpose of faith, to open the door to Him and His life.

So to the extent that we love, we have no need to hear the law. To the extent that we sin, to the extent that we fail to love, IOW, we prove that we still benefit from hearing it, by being convicted by it.
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Hell doesn't exist and there is no eternal suffering, instead bad peolle just cease to exist

True, but I’m sure you would agree, sometimes suffering is a result of the one who sinned, and even the sin of the parents (King David). But this question specifically denotes the sin being done “before” birth; at least the way I’m reading the txt, it appears the disciples carried the idea one could sin “prior” to birth.

“Rabbi, who sinned, this one or his parents, that he should be born blind?”
I think the idea here has nothing to do with the sin but with doing what glorifies God. Jesus answered that neither had sinned (him or his parents). His sight being restored made the beggar a witness to Christ and, therefore, is doing God’s work.
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Signs we are in the end times.

Now, we are very close to the time when the Creator God will act once again on the earth and the many prophecies about the end of this age will take place.
As you understand prophecy, what is the very next prophecy in the line of closing events, to take place, and what prophecy will follow that?
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Who really is incoming Congressman George Santos (R-NY), anyway? His biography appears to be fictional. Now charged by feds.

Might be a good Republican presidential candidate if Trump agrees to leave at the end of his term.

Looking at his resume it would appear he's highly qualified.
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Who really is incoming Congressman George Santos (R-NY), anyway? His biography appears to be fictional. Now charged by feds.

I am glad that he is out and looking forward for his next congressional term.
Might be a good Republican presidential candidate if Trump agrees to leave at the end of his term.

Then he also could utilize the justice system to get revenge on everyone who turned against him.
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Discussion 1: Eve (God's Word to Women book)

She was not simply a vessel or instrument, but she was a true Mother for the eternal Second Person of the Trinity. Just as we have our mothers. That's why she is called Theotokos (Mother of God). And that's how Christians have called her since ancient times.
But our mothers gave birth to beings (us) who had not existed before their conception. Not so with Mary. By no means all Christians use the word Theotokos to describe Mary.
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