BelieveItOarKnot said:

There is no difference between immortal life and eternal life

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Immortal life is just existing. Eternal life is existence with God. To exist apart from Him would be a kind of "eternal death".

This world is a kind of halfway house, one foot in heaven and one in hell but not yet totally in either. Here we choose between the two, with the help of grace which is always drawing us towards the right choice.

Valletta said:

The end does not justify the means, bringing in illegals for exploitation is wrong.

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Of course it is and the Dems have always been against it. That's why they object to ICE focussing on asylum seekers and refugees rather than the illegals working for corporate agribusiness.

rjs330 said:

Why not?

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As I explained in my previous post, you can't use 1983 because it is specific to the states. Blevins has been reduced down so it can only be used in specific circumstances regarding someone coming into a house. I suggest Legal Eagles video explaining the nuances. The upside is that you can not sue for a civil rights violation, only put in a tort claim for damages.

Dan Perez said:

#A. It means that the first covenant was only PERFOMED with an ANIMAL BLOOD on an ALTER. WITH A JEWISH PRIEST

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Which was always a pointer to the real sacrifice of Christ our Lord, wasn't it?

Dan Perez said:

# C. And to. me it seem that THE OLD TESAMENT. and the GOSPELS is for ISRAEL !!

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So we can dump the O.T. then? The whole of Scripture is FOR us, not necessarily ABOUT us.

Dan Perez said:

# D And Pauls letters says HOW a anyone can be saved TODAY until 1 Thess 4:13-17. when. the BODY of CHRIST is taken AWAY

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Mixing up things again, how then was Enoch saved? Or Abraham? In Pauls first 7 letters it is not about the body of Christ, this was a mystery until Paul received its revelation in Ephesians. So how can Paul talk about something he knew nothing about at that time in Thessalonians?

Aristarkos

Clare73 said:

I don't traffic in human metaphors for Biblically-stated truth.

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Sure you do. We know death only because we know physical death. Spiritual death or death of the soul are metaphor- because they apply and use the term and concept of death metaphorically.

Clare73 said:

Metaphors contain untruth and are problematic for Biblical concepts.

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Um, no, metaphors do not necessarily contain untruth. For example, the teaching that believers are grafted into a vine in John 15 is metaphor.

Clare73 said:

"Spiritual death" is the absence of eternal life within the humn immortal spirit, it is not "death of the soul."

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"Spirtual death" or "death of the spirit" are terms not found in the bible, as with "death of the soul", even though the concepts, themselves, align with the truth of the gospel. And theologians do not necessarily distinguish defintively between the soul and spirit, while the soul is sometimes conceived of as a part more specifially containing the self: personality, etc. Either way the usage of one term over another is certainly nothing to get dogmatic or insistent about.

Clare73 said:

Spiritual death does not mean current physical death, nor death of the human immortal spirit.
Most of living mankind is in spiritual death; i.e. no eternal (God's) life within their immortal human spirits.

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Yes, again you've added nothing here to what I originally said. So what's the point? Just exploring another pointless rabbit trail here? Here's what you've been contesting at least since post #97:

fhansen said:

They were already dead, born that way due to their alienation from God. That's the state known as "original sin".

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Clare73 said:

Well, man does not inherit sin (Eze 18:20).
Adam's sin is imputed by God, it being the pattern (Ro 5:14) for God's imputation of Christ's righteousness (Ro 5:18-19).

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A ridiculous unbiblcal pattern if imputation is said to be the only reason for man's unrighteousness before God and his restored righteousness through Christ.

Clare73 said:

Indeed. . .there is there nature, which makes them objects of God's wrath (Eph 2:3).

Adam's sin imputed to all mankind does not cause them to sin.
It simply counts them as guilty of Adam's sin and subject to its condemnation, it being the pattern (Ro 5:14) for the imputation of Christ's righteousness (Ro 5:18-19).

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Ok, finally, something changed in them due to the Fall that caused them to sin, to become actually unrighteous. They didn't receive a "sin nature" however, as if anything new was now added to them. The Fall was ltierally a fall away from God and His grace, from the life He had in store for them. Apart from Him now they could do nothing, including maintaining any consistent level of the righteousness or moral integrity that man was intended to have.

Again, our righteousness is directly intrinsic to our relationship with, our union with, our nearness to, God. So do you continue to object to the following?

fhansen said:

All fell with Adam and so all share the same fate and consequences. All are equally dead. All need to be born again in order to live.

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SabbathBlessings said:

I am a big believer when the Bible spells something out for us plainly, we need to believe.
This is what we are told is Truth in Scripture
John 14:6 Jesus said to him, “I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me.
So we can see this Truth through the life of Jesus Christ by what He taught, what He practiced, all for our example 1John2:6 1Peter2:21-22
Psa119:151 You are near, O Lord,
And all Your commandments are truth.

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So we are to obey all his Levitical commandments?

“Riots Raging”: The Misleading Story Fox News Told About Portland Before Trump Sent Troops




ProPublica examined months of Fox News’ coverage and reviewed over 700 videos posted on social media.

The network used five-year-old footage, mislabeled other dates and implied footage from elsewhere was in Portland.

Lost4words said:

Agreed...

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Are there traditions that are not in Scripture?

If so, what are they?

Vambram said:

Nope. That ain't true either.

Biographer urged Epstein to bash Trump for 'political cover' in newly released emails

New Epstein files show efforts to use anti-Trump messaging for reputation repair as House Oversight Committee dumps massive document trove publicly.

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The evidence is from before all that.

Satire

As the evidence begins to slowly come forth, we start to realize why Trump's DOJ killed it.

It's Druze.

Larniavc said:

It is quite fast though. 30km/s around the Sun.

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I was trying to get over the idea that it is hardly "zooming" at some unbelievable speed, as Apple Sky suggested.

White House says key economic reports may not be released​

“The Democrats may have permanently damaged the federal statistical system, with October CPI and jobs reports likely never being released, and all of that economic data released will be permanently impaired, leaving our policymakers at the Fed flying blind at a critical period,” White House press secretary Karoline Leavitt said.

The Bureau of Labor Statistics and the Department of Labor did not immediately respond to requests for comment on Leavitt’s comments.

Already, policymakers, market participants and economists expect a fog of data after the shutdown ends.

The lack of government data “is a temporary state of affairs,” Fed Chair Jerome Powell said on Oct. 29.

Apple Sky said:

Yes I agree, what I don't agree with is someone telling me 'that there no such verse that mentions the shape of the shape of the earth in the Bible' when there is.

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The shape of the shape the earth? What's that?

As Phil has said there are verses in the bible that contain the word "shape" and the word "earth". But there is no bible verse that says what the shape of the earth is.

Servus said:

Another Democrat judge protecting illegal immigration.

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Yeah, shame on him. We all know that when protecting the purity of our cultural institutions from foreigners the end definitley justifies the means.

David Lamb said:

It is not going that fast. The earth takes 24 hours to rotate once, and 365 days to orbit the sun

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It is quite fast though. 30km/s around the Sun.

Apple Sky said:

Yes I agree, what I don't agree with is someone telling me 'that there no such verse that mentions the shape of the shape of the earth in the Bible' when there is.

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Have you considered that that explanation was from a 8000 whatever years ago written by a simple Shepard with no comprehension of an earth larger than his fields?

Apple Sky said:

Job 38:4 4Where were you when I laid the foundations of the earth? Tell Me, if you have understanding. 5Who fixed its measurements? Surely you know! Or who stretched a measuring line across it? 6On what were its foundations set, or who laid its cornerstone

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Why does your quote of verse 5 differ from mine? Are you using a different translation to the KJV that you usually quote from?

Verses 4-6 which you quoted from some translation say this in the KJV:

4 Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding.
5 Who hath laid the measures thereof, if thou knowest? or who hath stretched the line upon it?
6 Whereupon are the foundations thereof fastened? or who laid the corner stone thereof;

So what translation were you quoting from?

Apple sky.

A lot of logical problems with your flat earth explanations have arisen and you haven't addressed a single one.

Are you planning on actually discussing your theory and clarifying all these points that us "nonthinkers" keep coming up with?

I mean.... You keep telling us to just "think". I assume these critiques are just really silly and easily explained...yet you don't bother.

Note: just posting words is not a discussion. You addressing the concerns raised would be an actual discussion.

Hmmm.......in the Catholic Faith that *I* know, one cannot be permitted to receive the Sacraments unless they turn away from open sin.

Something is amiss here.

David Lamb said:

But don't you see that the context of the words about the clay and the seal is not teaching the shape of the earth, but as the context makes clear, saying that the light that comes with the dawn causes the shape(s) of the earth (mountains, valleys, plains, etc.) to become appear clearly to our sight, whereas in the darkness they were hidden:

12 Hast thou commanded the morning since thy days; and caused the dayspring to know his place;
13 That it might take hold of the ends of the earth, that the wicked might be shaken out of it?
14 It is turned as clay to the seal; and they stand as a garment.
15 And from the wicked their light is withholden, and the high arm shall be broken.

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Yes I agree, what I don't agree with is someone telling me 'that there no such verse that mentions the shape of the shape of the earth in the Bible' when there is.

FAITH-IN-HIM said:

This issue is not about LGBT or transgender topics, but rather concerns civil rights. The question remains whether every American, regardless of race, ethnicity, or sexual orientation, has equal rights. If equal rights are granted to all, then an individual's sexual orientation should not affect those rights. Currently, discussions about civil rights may receive less attention in the political sphere, while topics related to the LGBTQ community often attract more focus ( for or against) than broader conversations about equality for all Americans.

Similarly Police accountability is generally a widely accepted concept. However, topics such as "defend police" or "abolish police" tend to attract more attention and discussion then talking about accountability.

I think both sides are more interested on the 30 second sound bite then actual policy. As a result they lose majority American.

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The culture war has been used by both sides to divide the working class and distract us from the substantive issues which affect us all.

Maria Billingsley said:

Thanks for sharing. I have no interest in derailing this thread.

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That's not a derail when the topic is literally talking about what is the congregation as a whole which is why I replied what I did and then you replied to me claiming all denominations are apart of his flock. So this is absolutely on topic, but if you don't want to answer, that's fine.

Stopped_lurking said:

From my reading of philosophers, it seems that question is not conclusively answered with regards to the cause of the universe.

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Desperation from philosophers to preserve an absurdity doesn't make it defensible. If an infinite chain of people borrowed sugar, the existence of the sugar is not explained at all.

Stopped_lurking said:

If you want to be convincing you need to explain why you find it an absurdity not you just stating it so, and why that would mean that we are left without explanation.

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I've stated the absurdity, because there is no explanation of why anything exists at all. It's magical thinking that somehow everything exists, but none of it is sufficiently explained. The question is why would we entertain it, not why it should be regarded as absurd.

Stopped_lurking said:

An infinite regress doesn't mean that everything is unexplained, it means that the number of explanations are infinite. It is not at all clear why it would be vicious.

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It certainly does, regress in such a situation can only explain relationships but all explanatory power drains away because we are left with an infinite chain of suspended explanations being promised that can never be delivered upon.