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SO HOW DO YOU KNOW YOU ARE SAVED ??

And you said that there are DOZENS of ways to be saved , so show where they ARE since YOU brought out up. !!

dan p
IF you don't accept the simplest citing of 1 John 4:7 or Matt. 10:34 or can't look up ALL the others yourself, why bother?

Were it me I'd challenge where I "think" I stand just to make sure
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Can Truth Be Known? How

Jesus' teaching will be known by remaining in Jesus' word. John 8:31. It is unthinkable that a person should strive for truth but never be able to find it. Such thinking is not in harmony with Jesus' words: "And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free. " John 8:32.
Furthermore, we have been given the task of teaching everything that Jesus commanded his disciples to observe. Matthew 28:20. If the teaching could not be known, all missionary work would be nothing more than Pilate's questioning. John 18:38.

My writings: In English
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The Thing Most Sabbath Keepers Do not Talk About.

It seems that the legalists are going out of their way put the Christian back on the bondage of the law. I follow Him just fine by walking in the Spirit not by keeping a day. We are not slaves.

“All who are under the yoke as slaves are to regard their own masters as worthy of all honor so that the name of God and our doctrine will not be spoken against. Those who have believers as their masters must not be disrespectful to them because they are brothers or sisters, but must serve them all the more, because those who partake of the benefit are believers and beloved. Teach and preach these principles. If anyone advocates a different doctrine and does not agree with sound words, those of our Lord Jesus Christ, and with the doctrine conforming to godliness,”
‭‭1 Timothy‬ ‭6‬:‭1‬-‭3‬ ‭NASB2020‬‬
1Tim 6:1,2 has nothing to do with your statement,
"I follow Him just fine by walking in the Spirit not by keeping a day. We are not slaves."

Nothing at all.
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Trump suggests he’ll release Jeffrey Epstein ‘client list’ if elected: ‘I’d have no problem with it’

Elvis dated Priscilla Presley when she was 14, but nobody wants to go after Tye King Of Rock and roll though. Nor the Rap stars, or Rock stars that do the same... one man's sins are greater than another's........
Apparently, the law can only be found in one book. What does it say about the age of consent?
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Trump opens door to 600,000 Chinese students amid Beijing trade talks; would be largest number ever

I cannot believe that Biden would let in literally hundreds of thousands of students from one of out greatest enemies. Many of whom are dyed in the wool members of the CCP! They will reap the rewards of our best universities and then take that knowledge back with them to China! What madness it this? The guy should be...sorry? What was that? It's not...Biden? It was...who? But that...that makes no...

Ah, anyway. As I was saying. I welcome our friends from across the sea and wish them all the best. President Trump and I look forward to your arrival! Huān yíng guāng lín!
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B flat B♭

Have you discovered the difference between "there", "their" and "they're" yet? .

Sure I have, why do you want to know ? Are you having trouble ?

Or “to” and “too”! As in post #985 and many others.

Your lucky you don't just get '2' ^_^
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The Name of the Congregation

Everywhere in Christian meetings, books, magazines, and websites, there is a teaching that is always missing—the teaching about God's congregation. Why is there so little talk about this? Teaching about God's congregation should be part of every preacher's job. Now, before Jesus comes, the truth about God's congregation needs to be preached.
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Trump live updates: President expands ‘narco’ boat strikes to Pacific Ocean as 8th boat is struck

My guess is that you are wrong to assume stuff about me.
You obviously haven't read it because it doesn't say anything like what you claim it says. In fact, it says that what Trump is doing now was considered illegal by previous administrations.
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Trump live updates: President expands ‘narco’ boat strikes to Pacific Ocean as 8th boat is struck

Other presidents were weak in the war against narco terrorists cartels that are killing hundreds of thousands of Americans.
So you admit that they weren't doing what you said they were doing.

What is the point of trying to claim that Trump is justified in doing what he's doing because other presidents have done the same if you now admit that they didn't.

I mean, seriously...what was the point you were trying to make in posting a link to a paper that you hadn't read which said things that you were unaware of which actually made the point that previous presidents were aware of the illegality of what Trump is now doing?

If I had posted it making those points then you would have rejected them. But you can post it and blissfully ignore what it says? How in heaven's name does that work? Do you honestly think that you can link to umpteen pages of detailed information about the war on drugs by previous administrations and assume that no-one is going to read it all enabling you to say whatever you want without having read it yourself?

You are kidding me.
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What is the true congregation?

All of us who believe in Jesus are His congregation. Therefore, all of us who live in the same city and believe in Jesus are His congregation in our home city. This applies in every city. It has been so from the very beginning of the congregation.

At the time the Bible was written, there were among others the congregation of such cities as
– Jerusalem (Acts 8:1, 11:22),
– Antioch (Acts 13:1),
– Cenchrea (Romans 16:1),
– Philippi (Philippians 4:15),
– Corinth (1 Corinthians 1:2),
– Thessalonica (1 Thessalonians 1:1),
– Babylon (1 Peter 5:13),
– Ephesus, Smyrna, Pergamos, Thyatira, Sardis, Philadelphia, and Laodicea (Revelation 1:11).

Jesus Himself established the congregation through His death and resurrection in Jerusalem two thousand years ago. From there it began to spread throughout the whole world (Matthew 28:19). This same congregation has also spread to Finland(where I live).

We do not think that any person who believes in Jesus and has been baptized in His name belongs to a different congregation than we do (Galatians 5:20). The Bible clearly testifies that there cannot be many congregations in one city (1 Corinthians 1:2 & 2 Corinthians 1:1; Revelation 1:11; 1 Corinthians 1:11–13; 3:4–11). “For this cause left I thee in Crete, that thou shouldest set in order the things that are wanting, and ordain elders in every city, as I had appointed thee.” (Titus 1:5, KJV).
We may indeed gather in many different places, but these places are not congregations—the congregation is us (Acts 1:12; 12:12; 19:9; 1 Corinthians 16:19; Colossians 4:15; Philemon 1:2). God sees in every city only two groups of people: the members of His congregation and the ungodly. Therefore, we do not exclude any person who believes in Jesus from being a member of this congregation.

The congregation to which we belong is God’s. Therefore, it is right to call it the Congregation of God (1 Corinthians 1:2; 10:32; 11:16; 11:22; 15:9; 2 Corinthians 1:1; Galatians 1:13; 1 Thessalonians 2:14; 1 Timothy 3:15). God has the sole right to the name and the membership record of His congregation (Colossians 3:17; Luke 10:20; 2 Samuel 24:1–10). We do not divide God’s congregation by calling its members into a fellowship under some man-made name or by keeping a separate membership record of its members (1 Corinthians 1:11–13; 3:4–11).

God Himself adds people to His congregation, as He has done from the beginning:
“Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
[…] Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls. […] And they continued stedfastly in the apostles’ doctrine and fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers. […] Praising God, and having favour with all the people. And the Lord added to the church daily such as should be saved.” (Acts 2:38, 41, 42, 47, KJV).

We have all become Christians and been added by God into the membership of the congregation according to this original Gospel as revealed in the Bible—that is, after having repented AND, having come to faith and having been baptized in the name of Jesus Christ.
Paul wrote “Unto the church of God which is at Corinth” (1 Corinthians 1:2), meaning the people living in the city of Corinth who believed in Jesus and were baptized in His name: “Now ye are the body of Christ, and members in particular.” (1 Corinthians 12:27, KJV). Therefore, it is Biblical to say to those who live in the same city, believe in Jesus, and are baptized in His name that you are the Congregation of God in your home city, the body of Christ, and each of you is one of His members. This is the Biblical form of congregation membership.

Therefore, if you are a Christian in the sense that the Bible gives to that name, then you are already a member of this congregation. We warmly welcome you into the fellowship of this, your own congregation (Hebrews 10:25). Our task is to help others also to become Christians in this Biblical way, and thus to become members of the congregation and be baptized.
Jesus prays for His own congregation “that they may be made perfect in one” (John 17:23, KJV). It is God’s will that His congregation be restored in each city according to the original and Biblical order revealed in Scripture.

There is no teaching in the Bible that different denominations and churches should be established. Although there are members of God’s congregation within them, none of them is the Congregation of God. God has not founded any of them. To them applies the teaching of Jesus: “Every plant, which my heavenly Father hath not planted, shall be rooted up.” (Matthew 15:13, KJV). Yet the perfect unity for which Jesus prayed will not be fulfilled by trying to uproot denominations and churches from the world. They will always exist among us in this world. True unity becomes visible only when we root them out from within ourselves.

Therefore, we do not build fellowship across denominational and church boundaries, but without them. We are not to be Lutherans, Catholics, Orthodox, Adventists, Methodists, Baptists, Pentecostals, or any other kind of “-ist” or “-ian.” None of these existed when the congregation was founded. It is God’s will that we be simply Christians, in the same way as those whom He, from the beginning, had added to His congregation.

We build congregational fellowship in our home city according to this God-given way described above, not according to human ways. Thus the true Biblical order begins to prevail visibly within the congregation (Colossians 2:5). For the building up of congregational fellowship, God sets in our midst ministries (Titus 1:5; Ephesians 4:11–15). God blesses the tasks of Christians, equips them for His work, and grants them spiritual growth through the congregation (Acts 13:1–4; 2 Corinthians 8:23; Philippians 2:25; 1 Corinthians 3:6–11). Therefore, one must be in congregational fellowship so that all this may happen in God’s way. This congregation remains united, in fellowship, and in the apostles’ doctrine (Acts 2:42; Colossians 2:19).

Blessings to you, Christian, who desire to hold fast to this Biblical congregational order and begin to gather accordingly! Jesus will guide you in all things.

“For we are labourers together with God: ye are God’s husbandry, ye are God’s building.” (1 Corinthians 3:9, KJV)

Blessings,
Weijo Lindroos, from the Turku Congregation
Maariankatu 2
20100 Turku
Finland
Email: weijo.lindroos@pp.inet.fi

Trump opens door to 600,000 Chinese students amid Beijing trade talks; would be largest number ever

Trump opens door to 600,000 Chinese students amid Beijing trade talks

Move reverses previous administration plans to revoke visas for Chinese nationals​

Donald Trump said 600,000 Chinese students would be allowed into the U.S. to study at colleges amid ongoing trade talks with China.

Speaking at the White House Monday, the president's announcement signals a potential thaw in U.S.-China relations after escalating tariffs and restrictions on Chinese students.

In May, Secretary of State Marco Rubio announced plans to "aggressively revoke" visas for Chinese nationals, particularly those tied to the Communist Party or sensitive research fields.

Trump has since shifted tone, telling reporters in June that he has "always been in favor" of welcoming students from China.

He's got 'em right where he wants 'em.
But this is good news. More jobs at ICE to go round up those no good folks from ‘forn parts, taking education from normal folks. Dagnamit.
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Hell doesn't exist and there is no eternal suffering, instead bad peolle just cease to exist

Determinism is the truth, and certain people are always needed to afflct those going to heaven before they can be qualified enough to get to go there, and that's what these realities are for before people getting to go there, get to go there. But those who were just only primarily meant to just do the afflicting ever, are never meant to go there ever, but just re-repeat each of their nearly exact same kind of existences again each any every single time one of these newer, but now other, fallen creations are re-made, or are recreated, or re-starts, or re-repeats itself again. And because determinism is the truth, this has always been forever, and will always be forever, and cannot be changed, but they are never aware of this each and every single time however, etc.

God Bless.
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The Schumer Shutdown

The Democrats can now negotiate the subsidies with Republicans and put a bill before the Senate for a vote. If subsidies are as popular and essential as Democrats think, there should be no problem getting a dozen Republicans to vote for continuation of the level of subsidies.

If Democrats are wrong, they can close the government down again in January if they wish and make the election a referendum on subsidies. Does anyone believe that this strategy will work in January?

NOTE
The BBB passed in July made sure that federal entitlement checks would still go out. Federal employees who didn't get paid would be guaranteed their checks after the shutdown was over. Republicans mistakenly didn't include SNAP (food stamps). This has been corrected in the current bill. Republicans are ready for the next shutdown, especially after allowing a Senate vote on subsidies.

I would note that problem at the airport has ZERO to do with employees not being able to pay for gas or childcare. Folks who make $150K a year (before overtime) can work out how to borrow enough to cover a couple of paychecks. One problem was that not enough airport employees were declared "essential". Another is that we simply don't have enough air traffic controllers. We need many more. There were few delays. The airlines simply canceled flights and asked folks to check on flights before driving to the airports. There will be lost of delays when there is bad weather, without a shutdown.

Johnson is talking about having a vote in January for thw ACA. If this isn't resolved before Jan 15, and they actually extend the subsidies, they would need to extend or reopen the enrollment period as many people are not going to enroll with prices as they currently are. I don't trust the GOP to facilitate helping people keep healthcare but we'll see. At least when people cant afford care they will know who was fighting for and against them. I'm not convinced they will learn the lesson about who they should be electing, but again, we'll see.
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The Schumer Shutdown


The Schumer Shutdown is officially defeated and over.

We will probably have another shutdown at the end of January. Hopefully they start preparing to fund SNAP for February now.
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B flat B♭

Does anyone know the whereabouts of an animation someone did a few years ago for a lunar eclipse? They had a flat earth map with arrows projected from multiple locations in the direction people in those locations were looking to see the eclipse. The arrows were all pointing in different directions until the flat map was wrapped around a globe, at which point all the arrows were parallel.
It was such a powerful demonstration of the globe earth and the falsity of the flat earth model, but I never made note of the source of the animation. It was just tacked on the end of another video.
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Trump opens door to 600,000 Chinese students amid Beijing trade talks; would be largest number ever

Trump tries to explain a U-turn — and conservatives are furious: ‘Out-of-touch to new levels’

President Donald Trump is facing scrutiny after doubling down on his administration’s plan to allow hundreds of thousands of Chinese students to study at American universities.

[First announced in August (the OP)] criticism is again mounting, after Trump was pressed on whether the move should be viewed as a “pro-MAGA position” during an interview on Fox News released late Monday.

“MAGA was my idea. MAGA was nobody else’s idea. I know what MAGA wants better than anybody else.”

“We do have a lot of people coming in from China. We always have, China and other countries,” Trump said on “The Ingraham Angle.” “We also have a massive system of colleges and universities, and if we were to cut that in half, which perhaps makes some people happy, you would have half the colleges in the United States go out of business.”

President Trump is a Grand Master of four dementia chess, the average person will never be able to wrap their head around the strategy.
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what is Calvinism answer to how God works?

can you give me a video I can watch or videos to help me understand? I don't mind if they are over an hour long.
Truly, understanding begins with the Doctrine of God proper —that is, the theology of just what and who God is— which brings about the understanding of his absolute being, his sovereignty, and the fact that he is the causer and the beginning of all fact, and his burning purity and purpose (among many other things). Life is about him. Reality is his 'invention', and absolutely depends on him. He is subject to nothing but himself.

That said, the best videos I've seen on that, and some others, more directly on what you are asking, are by RC Sproul, though there are many many other sources. Here's a couple that might serve some of both purposes:

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Furious Democrats Call for Schumer to Be Replaced After Shutdown Cave

now that pregnant mothers know not to take Tylenol.
Like when they stopped taking MMR? Like when vaccines were made without thimerosal? Do you have any other non-evidenced harm causing anti-science hypothesis’ you would like to promote?

Breatherianism for example?
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Does the Hebrew grammar of Daniel 9:24–27 support Christian Widener’s “double seventy-weeks” interpretation?

Perfect — here’s the Hebrew laid out vertically (straight down) so you can see the inversion visually, just as you requested:


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Daniel 9:25 — “Weeks 60, the second”

(emphasizing the second 60th week)

שָׁבֻעִים
shavuʿim — “weeks”

שִׁשִּׁים
shishim — “sixty”

וּשְׁנַיִם
u-shenayim — “and two”

➡️ Order: “Weeks 60 and 2” — inverted phrasing, pointing to the 60th week within the second set.
(Focus on the singular ‘week’ as a specific event — “the week 60 of the second.”)


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Daniel 9:26 — “On the 62nd week”

(emphasizing the 62nd week of the first set)

הַשָּׁבֻעִים
ha-shavuʿim — “the weeks”

שִׁשִּׁים
shishim — “sixty”

וּשְׁנַיִם
u-shenayim — “and two”

➡️ Order: “After the weeks 60 and 2” — the normal phrasing, referring to the 62 weeks completed in the first seventy-week cycle.


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Explanation of the Inversion

VerseOrderFocusEmphasis

9:25“Weeks 60 and 2”Second 60th weekInversion — draws attention to a specific week within the second 70-week set
9:26“After the weeks 60 and 2”First 62 weeksRegular order — refers to the whole span of the first cycle ending with Messiah’s coming


✅ Key Insight:
Verse 25’s phrasing isolates “week 60 of the second” — a pointed prophetic week of control and transition — whereas verse 26 uses the regular structure to close the first 62-week span, marking Messiah’s cutting off.


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Would you like me to show a side-by-side visual chart (left = v 25 “weeks 60 the second”, right = v 26 “62 weeks”) so the inversion can be clearly seen as mirrored columns?
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