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Men attend less singles events than women
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Well ,all far as appearances are concerned, that is why I love Formal Nights on cruises. Those Formal Nights are the only time that women pay attention to me. When I wear my black tux pants and white Dinner Jacket, some women ask ME to dance. I very rarely get turned down for a dance on Formal Nights. But, I cannot wear my white Dinner Jacket when I go grocery shopping.
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The History of the “Two Laws” Theory in Romans 3:20
- By Soyeong
- General Theology
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The issue of what type of contract the Mosaic Covenant is is independent of the issue of who it is made with.
For example, God said that he was a husband to Israel (Jeremiah 31:32) and Israel's unfaithfulness was described as adultery, with eventually got so bad that God wrote the Northern Kingdom a write of divorce (Jeremiah 3:8).
That is not what Jesus stated. A sum is inclusive of all of its parts and the reason why the greatest two commandments are the greatest two is because they are inclusive of all of the other commandments. For example, if we love God and our neighbor, then we won't commit adultery, theft, murder, idolatry, rape, favoritism, kidnapping, and so forth for the rest of God's other commandments. The greatest two commandments as much easier said than done, so thankfully God graciously gave us the rest of His commandments in order to flesh out what it looks like to correctly obey them. Someone who was correctly living in obedience to the greatest two commandments would be indistinguishable from someone who was correctly living in obedience to the rest of God's other commandments because they would both be following the same example that Jesus set for us to follow.
The Greek word "ekklesia" is translated as "church" and is used many times in the Septuagint to refer to Israel in the wilderness. In Ephesians 2:12-19, Gentiles were at one time separated from Christ, alienated from Israel and strangers to the covenants of promise, having no hope and without God in this world, which is in accordance with Gentiles at one time not being doers of God's law, but through faith in Christ all of that is no longer true in that Gentiles are no longer strangers or aliens but are fellow citizens of Israel along with the saints in the household of God, which is in accordance with Gentiles becoming doers of God's law.
In Psalms 119:29-30, it describes the one and only way of salvation by grace through faith, so the salvation formula did not change. Salvation was never earned as the result of our obedience to God's law, but rather God graciously teaching us to be a doer of it is the way that He is giving us His gift of salvation.
Our salvation from sin would be incomplete if we were only saved from the penalty of our sin while our lives continued to be directed at being doers of sin, so there is an aspect of our gift of salvation that we are experiencing in the present by being a doer of God's law, which is what Titus 2:11-13 describes. The content of a gift can be the experience of doing something, such as giving someone the opportunity to experience driving a Ferrari, where the gift intrinsically requires them to do the work of driving it in order to have that experience, but where doing that work contributes nothing towards earning the opportunity to experience driving it. Similarly, the content of God's gift of eternal life is the experience of knowing Him and Jesus (John 17:3), and the gift of God's law is His instructions for how to have that experience, which we are intrinsically required to follow. God's law is His instructions for equipping us to do every good works (2 Timothy 3:16-17)
The Psalms are the OT book that is most quoted by the NT, so the authors of the NT certainly considered it to be applicable to the Christian church.
According to Deuteronomy 27-30, the way to be blessed is by relying on the Book of the Law while the way to be cursed is by not relying on it, so Galatians 3:10 should not be interpreted as Paul quoting from that passage in order to support a point that is arguing the opposite of that passage. Rather, the way to be cursed is by not continuing to do everything in the Book of the Law, which is why everyone who relies on "works of the law" instead come under that curse. In Romans 3:27, Paul contrasted a law of works with a law of faith, in Galatians 3:10-12, he contrasted the Book of the law with "works of the law" and in Romans 3:31 and Galatians 3:10-12, he said that our faith upholds the Law of God in contrast with saying that "work of the law" are not of faith, so that phrase does not refer to the Law of God, which is why it is not of faith.“For all who are of works of the Law are under a curse; for it is written: “Cursed is everyone who does not abide by all the things written in the book of the Law, to do them.” Now, that no one is justified by the Law before God is evident; for, “the righteous one will live by faith.” However, the Law is not of faith; on the contrary, “The person who performs them will live by them.” Christ redeemed us from the curse of the Law, having become a curse for us—for it is written: “Cursed is everyone who hangs on a tree”— in order that in Christ Jesus the blessing of Abraham would come to the Gentiles, so that we would receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.”
Galatians 3:10-14 NASB2020
Galatians 3:10-14 For all who are of works of the Law are under a curse; for it is written: “CURSED IS EVERYONE WHO DOES NOT ABIDE BY ALL THE THINGS WRITTEN IN THE BOOK OF THE LAW, TO DO THEM.” Now, that no one is just | New American Standard Bible -
For all who are of works of the Law are under a curse; for it is written: “CURSED IS EVERYONE WHO DOES NOT ABIDE BY ALL THE THINGS WRITTEN IN THE BOOK OF THE LAW, TO DO THEM.” Now, that no one is justbible.com
These verses are pretty damning to your argument. You quote Gal. 5 but fail to take into account Paul’s teaching regarding the keeping of the law. The freedom of Gal. 5 does not speak about keeping the law.
In Galatians 3:10-12, Paul associated a quote from Habakkuk 2:4 that the righteous shall live by faith with a quote from Leviticus 18:5 that the one who obeys the Law of God shall live by it, so the righteous who are living by faith are the same as those who are living in obedience to the Law of God. In Isaiah 51:7, the righteous are those on whose heart is God's law, and in 1 John 3:4-7, everyone who is a doer of righteous works in obedience to the Law of God is righteous even as they are righteous, so the righteous living by faith does not refer to an alternative manner of living that is not in obedience to God.
God is trustworthy, therefore His law is also trustworthy (Psalms 19:7), so the way to trust in God is by obediently trusting in His instructions, it is contradictory to think that we should trust in God for salvation but in in His instructions, and the position that God is a giver us untrustworthy instructions that are not of faith is a position that denies the trustworthiness and faithfulness of God.
In Deuteronomy 28, it describes the blessing of the law for lawfulness and the curse of the law for lawlessness, so being set free from the curse of the law is being set free from lawlessness in order to enjoy the blessing of lawfulness. In Titus 2:14, it does not say that Jesus gave himself to redeem us from the Law of God but in order to redeem us from all lawlessness.
The Bible refers to the Law of Moses as being the Law of God in verses like Nehemiah 8:1-8, Ezra 7:6-12, and Luke 2:22-23. In Romans 7-8:2, Paul said the Law of God is good, that he wanted to do good, that he delighted in obeying it, and that he served it with his mind in contrast with the law of sin, which was working within his members to cause him not to do the good that he wanted to do, which was waging war against the law of his mind, which he served with his flesh, which held him captive, and from which the Law of the Spirit has freed us, so the Law of Moses is not the law of sin and death. The Law of God leads us to do what is holy, righteous, and good (Romans 7:12) while the law of sin stirs up sinful passions in order to bear fruit unto death (Romans 7:5), so we need to be set free from the law of sin in order to be free to obey the Law of Moses, not the other way around. Nowhere does the Bible state that the Law of God is no longer the Law of Moses or that the Law of Moses remains only for unbelieving Israel. Again, Romans 8:4-7 contrast those who walk in the Spirit with those who have minds set on the flesh who are enemies of God who refuse to submit to the Law of Moses.Gods law is no longer the Jewish law for the Christian church but it still remain for the unbelieving Israel. The spirit now convicts us not the law.
“For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has set you free from the law of sin and of death.”
Romans 8:2 NASB2020
Romans 8:2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has set you free from the law of sin and of death. | New American Standard Bible - NASB (NASB2020) | Download The Bible App Now
For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has set you free from the law of sin and of death.bible.com
“For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has set you free from the law of sin and of death.”
Romans 8:2 NASB2020
Romans 8:2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has set you free from the law of sin and of death. | New American Standard Bible - NASB (NASB2020) | Download The Bible App Now
For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has set you free from the law of sin and of death.bible.com
In Matthew 22:36-40, Jesus was asked about which commandment is the greatest, not about which were the only commandments that we should still follow, and the existence of the greatest two commandments implies that there are still other commandments that are not the greatest two. What Jesus said in Matthew 22:36-40 should not be interpreted in a way that is contrary to Jesus affirming that man shall live by every word that comes from the mouth of God. Jesus taught obedience to more than just the two greatest commandments just in Matthew 5.
All of God's righteous laws are eternal (Psalms 119:160), so there is still the Law of God. "To fulfill the law" means "to cause God's will (as made known in the law) to be obeyed as it should be" (NAS Greek Lexicon: pleroo), so Jesus fulfilled the law by teaching us how to correctly obey it. According to Galatians 5:14, anyone who has ever loved their neighbor has fulfilled the entire law, so it refers to something that countless people have done, not to something that only Christ did.
In Acts 5:32, the Spirit has been given to those who obey God. In John 16:13, the Spirit has the role of leading us in truth, in Ezekiel 36:26-27, the Spirit has the role of leading us to obey the Law of Moses, and in Psalms 119:142, the Law of Moses is truth. In John 16:8, the Spirit has the role of convicting us of sin, and in Romans 3:20, it is by the Law of Moses that we have knowledge of what sin is. In Galatians 5:16-23, Paul contrasted the desires of the flesh with the desires of the Spirit and everything that he listed as works of the flesh that are against the Spirit are also against the Law of Moses while all of the fruits of the Spirit are aspects of God's character that the Law of Moses was graciously given in order to teach us how to embody. In Romans 2:25-29, the way to recognize that a Gentile has a circumcised heart is by observing their obedience to the Law of Moses, which is the same way to tell for a Jew (Deuteronomy 30:6), and circumcision of the heart is a matter of the Spirit, which is in contrast with Acts 7:51-53, where those with uncircumcised hearts resist the Spirit and do not obey the Law of Moses.
It shows that Paul also taught the Gospel of the Kingdom, which calls for our obedience to the Law of Moses (Matthew 4:15-23).“But I do not consider my life of any account as dear to myself, so that I may finish my course and the ministry which I received from the Lord Jesus, to testify solemnly of the gospel of God’s grace. “And now behold, I know that all of you, among whom I went about preaching the kingdom, will no longer see my face.”
Acts 20:24-25 NASB2020
Acts 20:24-25 But I do not consider my life of any account as dear to myself, so that I may finish my course and the ministry which I received from the Lord Jesus, to testify solemnly of the gospel of God’s grace. | New American Standard Bible - NAS
But I do not consider my life of any account as dear to myself, so that I may finish my course and the ministry which I received from the Lord Jesus, to testify solemnly of the gospel of God’s grace.bible.com
Not sure why you are using these verses. Nothing here about the law.
That does not nullify that Paul also taught the Gosepl of the Kingdom based on the Law of Moses.“When they had set a day for Paul, people came to him at his lodging in large numbers; and he was explaining to them by solemnly testifying about the kingdom of God and trying to persuade them concerning Jesus, from both the Law of Moses and from the Prophets, from morning until evening.”
Acts 28:23 NASB2020
Acts 28:23 When they had set a day for Paul, people came to him at his lodging in large numbers; and he was explaining to them by solemnly testifying about the kingdom of God and trying to persuade them concerni | New American Standard Bible - NASB (
When they had set a day for Paul, people came to him at his lodging in large numbers; and he was explaining to them by solemnly testifying about the kingdom of God and trying to persuade them concernibible.com
Yes and Paul also said:
Paul was speaking about giving up his rights in order to meet people where they were at, not about deciding people about what he believed. Paul did not call the law a curse, but rather the Bible repeatedly says that it is a blessing. In Romans 10:5-8, Paul referred to Deuteronomy 13 as the word of faith that we proclaim in regard to proclaiming that the Mosaic Law is not too difficult for us to obey and that obedience to it brings life and a blessing while disobedience brings death and a curse, so choose life! Paul should not be interpreted as speaking against following what he considered to be Scripture as if he were bipolar.“To the Jews I became as a Jew, so that I might gain Jews; to those who are under the Law, I became as one under the Law, though not being under the Law myself, so that I might gain those who are under the Law;”
1 Corinthians 9:20 NASB2020
Paul was going to preach the gospel of good news to the Jews as a Jew do he could convert Jews. Understand that Paul is not going to call the law a curse in Galatians to now defend the law in Acts 28. Paul is not bipolar.1 Corinthians 9:20 To the Jews I became as a Jew, so that I might gain Jews; to those who are under the Law, I became as one under the Law, though not being under the Law myself, so that I might gain those who are under | New American Standard Bible
To the Jews I became as a Jew, so that I might gain Jews; to those who are under the Law, I became as one under the Law, though not being under the Law myself, so that I might gain those who are underbible.com
The different Gospel that Paul was referring to in Galatian 1:6-7 should not be interpreted in a way that turns it against the Gospel that Jesus and Paul taught. Jesus set a sinless example for us to follow of how to walk in obedience to the Law of Moses and as his followers we are told to follow his example (1 Peter 2:21-22) and that those who are in Christ are obligated to walk in the same way that he walked (1 John 2:6), so Christ spent this ministry teaching his followers to obey the Law of Moses by word and by example and in Matthew 28:16-20, he commissioned his disciples to teach to the nations everything that he taught them. Gentiles are not permitted to sin and it is by the Mosaic Law that we have knowledge of what sin is (Romans 3:20), so the position that Gentiles are not required to obey it is the position that Gentiles do not need to refrain from sin, do not need the Gospel, do not need salvation from sin, do not need grace, and do not need Jesus to have given himself to redeem us from all lawlessness. The only reason why someone would need to have perfect obedience to the Law of Moses is if they are going to give themselves to pay for the sins of the world - the rest of us can thankfully have our sins forgiven.
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