Pretty extensive c&p but you are still to post a pre Moses verse that shows that people before Moses kept the Jewish sabbath and a post crucifixion verse that requires the Christian to keep the 4th commandment.

I am absolutely failing to understand the point of this thread, except for the OP's weird desire to bash non-believers because he thinks he's worked out an entirely different speed of light... which has exactly WHAT to do with God?

Hentenza said:

Citation please

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Ps 40:1 To the chief Musician, A Psalm of David. I waited patiently for the LORD; and he inclined unto me, and heard my cry.
Ps 40:2 He brought me up also out of an horrible pit, out of the miry clay, and set my feet upon a rock, [and] established my goings.
Ps 40:3 And he hath put a new song in my mouth, [even] praise unto our God: many shall see [it], and fear, and shall trust in the LORD.
Ps 40:4 Blessed [is] that man that maketh the LORD his trust, and respecteth not the proud, nor such as turn aside to lies.
Ps 40:5 Many, O LORD my God, [are] thy wonderful works [which] thou hast done, and thy thoughts [which are] to us-ward: they cannot be reckoned up in order unto thee: [if] I would declare and speak [of them], they are more than can be numbered.
Ps 40:6 Sacrifice and offering thou didst not desire; mine ears hast thou opened: burnt offering and sin offering hast thou not required.
Ps 40:7 Then said I, Lo, I come: in the volume of the book [it is] written of me,
Ps 40:8 I delight to do thy will, O my God: yea, thy law [is] within my heart.

BelieveItOarKnot said:

Love your neighbor or promote burning them alive forever.

Such difficulty

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Emotional fallacy.

BelieveItOarKnot said:

No issues there. I accept that will happen for the devils, not those we are commanded to love
Again not hard to sort thru

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But not to the rest that will be thrown in the same place under the same conditions?

BelieveItOarKnot said:

Uh, no. Neither Jesus or the Apostles or the entirety of the scriptures presented any named person to such a fate. Even in the midst of being murdered, Jesus forgave. So did Stephen. Examples much?

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Sure. Jesus attached the original imagery of the fires of Molech worship in Gehenna to eternal Hell as a place of fire. He twice called it “the hell of fire” (Mat. 5:22; 18:9). He twice referred to it as “the furnace of fire” into which the evil will be cast after the Judgment (Mat. 13:42, 50). He twice called it a place of “unquenchable fire” (Mark 9:43, 47–48). We correctly identify the Hell the Jesus describes with “the lake of fire and brimstone” and “the lake of fire” into which the devil, the beast, the false prophet, and all those not found written in the book of life were cast for eternal torment (Rev. 20:10, 15; 21:8).

BelieveItOarKnot said:

Don't know how loving our neighbors dilutes the Gospel because that IS the Gospel and the command of God

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Some more emotional fallacies.

JohnB445 said:

Knowing and believing are not the same thing.

Someone can come to me and tell me they saw a bass the size of a beagle, I take their word for it and believe them and go to the pond where they claimed it was, but there is no way for me to know they are telling me the truth, I just have faith.

Just like I would have to have faith they are telling me the truth about the large fish, I would have to have faith of the testimony and stories in the Bible being fact?

I do believe the Bible is true, but can I know for sure? Or can nobody know as long as they have not met the Lord.

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I see some interesting answers. To believe you need faith. Faith comes by hearing and hearing by the word of God. That word is rhema in the Greek the "spoken word of god" So you can't get by on someone else's faith you have to have your own personal experience with God. Part of this hearing are events that convince you.

1 Corinthians 2:4-5 (ESV)
4 and my speech and my message were not in plausible words of wisdom, but in demonstration of the Spirit and of power,
5 so that your faith might not rest in the wisdom of men but in the power of God.

Romans 15:18-19 (ESV)
18 For I will not venture to speak of anything except what Christ has accomplished through me to bring the Gentiles to obedience—by word and deed, 19 by the power of signs and wonders, by the power of the Spirit of God—so that from Jerusalem and all the way around to Illyricum I have fulfilled the ministry of the gospel of Christ;

Acts 1:8 (ESV)
8 But you will receive power when the Holy Spirit has come upon you, and you will be my witnesses in Jerusalem and in all Judea and Samaria, and to the end of the earth.”

You need to undeniable see the power of God. The woman at the well saw it through prophecy, others saw various signs and wonders. Most often it is a conviction of the Holy Spirit for sin and God speaking to your heart for a need of Jesus. Faith is often given where the word of God is preached. Love too is the motivator from God to us, or from a believer who uses the gifts of the spirit.

I myself accepted Jesus as a kid at a vacation bible school. But I never saw the power and really did nothing but turn from God, thinking he must just be a construct used by elites to maintain power for themselves. When I finally saw the Spirit of God doing something tangible, I was transformed. The Holy Spirit does not stop either, it continues to show stuff all the time. From revelations in the word, to guiding my path, to every once in a awhile something supernatural. The fruit of the Spirit too is supernatural. Many think a "power church" must always have miracles. Hopefully yes, but when I first encountered the power of God it was by the amazing love that I felt when I went to certain church. Just be careful, as some fake the Spirit of God with weird doctrine or things done in the name of God that are really from the flesh or even demonic. Ask God though, he is not going to send you a stone if you ask for bread. I pray you can take it to the next level that your faith would rest on the power of God. I could share dozens of examples of seeing the power of God at work.
I will say too that any Christian wishing to experience more of the power of God, just needs to partner with God in seriously trying to help and love someone else. Praying, witnessing, giving and reaching out beyond your natural abilities to meet a need.

Some too might think I am prideful here. Perhaps, but a Christian can do nothing on their own. Besides because I have been backslid before, I know too well the difference between cold, warm, and hot. God bless!

HIM said:

He says he does.

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Citation please

Yttrium said:

Huh. Personally, I would love it if God created the universe. I'm not following your reasoning, though. Even if the equation somehow worked the way you think it does, what does that have to do with God?

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First understand the equations, but if you can't just accept them as truth.

Postvieww said:

Of course if he is mayor somebody voted for him. That said, it is a sad commentary on many voters in NY. Anyone who thinks a communist is a good choice for NY has no allegiance to the constitution.

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Trump and his sycophants say he is a communist, but that's a bald-faced lie and you know it. In any case, I am not aware that the Constitution mandates any particular economic system for this country. The Constitution is about governance, not economics.

sjastro said:

It is not a fake claim as you were not there to witness Moses and Isaiah or even definitively state they existed.
Since you seem to be alluding to Edwin Hubble get your facts straight, he was part of a scientific process where observation supported a theory.
One of the proponents of the Big Bang theory was the scientist/priest Georges Lemaître.
It was Lemaître who came up with an early estimation of the age of the universe of 2 billion years.
Are you one of these narrow minded creationists who would think this would make Lemaître a lesser Christian or not one at all?

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Lamaitre was not using the universe expansion (first reported by Isaiah Ch. 40, and later by Hubble) as a challenge to God. Lamaitre claimed he was studying God's Creation (which is what non currupted PROPER non corrupted science is about) so that point you make is an invalid accusation of the integrity of Lamaitre as a worker for God.. .

Dan1988 said:

How do you suppose Paul knew that they were all genuine believers??? answer >>> he didn't know, because only God and the individual know. There has always been tares in every wheat field.

Yes Paul gave all of them the benefit of doubt, because He is not privileged to know w3hat God knows.

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Yes he’s addressing them on the assumption that they are believers and he’s telling ALL OF THEM that they are carnal and they are NOT spiritually appraised. They can’t understand the things of God because they are acting like mere men, they’re not setting their mind on the Spirit they’re setting their mind on the flesh even tho they are believers. He’s addressing all of them, are all of them unbelievers? Are all of them tares among the wheat? He’s not telling them that they can’t be spiritually appraised, he’s telling them that they should be spiritually appraised and the reason that they’re not is because they’re setting their mind on the flesh instead of setting their mind on the Spirit. Do you think that it’s a coincidence that he just so happened to tell them how to be spiritually appraised just 2 sentences before telling them that they are still fleshly and carnal acting like mere men?

HIM said:

The "I" in the following passage is the writer of Hebrews which is believed to be Paul. He was quoting David in Psalm 40. There David was speaking of himself, but was also prophesying of Jesus. With that understood the "I" in the following passage is you and I also. If they said it, so should we. So that means, as Christians we come in the volume of the Book that is written of us to do thy will oh GOD.

So what Book is written of us?

Heb 10:7 Then said I, Lo, I come (in the volume of the book it is written of me,) to do thy will, O God.

Ps 40:6 Sacrifice and offering thou didst not desire; mine ears hast thou opened: burnt offering and sin offering hast thou not required.
Ps 40:7 Then said I, Lo, I come: in the volume of the book [it is] written of me,
Ps 40:8 I delight to do thy will, O my God: yea, thy law [is] within my heart. David said it of himself and of Christ. Ps 40:8 Then Paul said it of himself and Christ in Heb 10, He said, lo I come in the volume of the Book it is written of me, to do thy will oh God. There for we can, For God has said, He will put His Law into our hearts and in our minds. As He has said before in Deut. 29:1-30:14 A New Covenant I will make with you. Not like the one that was made in Horeb. For the Lord our God will circumcise our hearts and the hearts of thy seed. For the Word, the commandments and statutes contained in the Book of the Law are in our hearts and in our mouths that we do them. That is the word of faith in which we preach. The faith that makes us righteous, justifies and establishes the Law. For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous. They who walk after the Spirit and not after the flesh that the righteousness of the LAW be fulfilled. For they do not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God

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HIM said:

David said it of himself and of Christ. Ps 40:8 Then Paul said it of himself and Christ in Heb 10, He said, lo I come in the volume of the Book it is written of me, to do thy will oh God. There for we can, For God has said, He will put His Law into our hearts and in our minds. As He has said before in Deut. 29:1-30:14 A New Covenant I will make with you. Not like the one that was made in Horeb. For the Lord our God will circumcise our hearts and the hearts of thy seed. For the Word, the commandments and statutes contained in the Book of the Law are in our hearts and in our mouths that we do them. That is the word of faith in which we preach. The faith that makes us righteous, justifies and establishes the Law. For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous. They who walk after the Spirit and not after the flesh that the righteousness of the LAW be fulfilled.

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Hentenza said:

Psalm 40:6-8 is of prophetic significance. David wrote psalm 40 but he does not appear in the volume of book ( typically the Torah). The I here is the messiah not David and definitely not Paul since these are a quote from the psalm.

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He says he does.

I'll try to keep my answer within CF's rules.

stevevw said:

The thought crossed my mind. Following the logic that a archbishop or priest can be in a prascting lesbian or homosexual relationship. This could mean that a fair proportion of a congregation could also be in the same relationships.

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Yes. The [Anglican] Church in Wales allows the church to bless same-sex civil unions, as does the Church of England. The Scottish Episcopal Church allows the church to conduct same-sex marriages, as does the Episcopal Church in the US. Thus, you may indeed find same-sex couples in Anglican congregations in these countries.

stevevw said:

How is this justified. They surely must know of this contradiction. They must have some reason that they can do this and still believe that are within Gods law and blessing.

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This is what we cannot discuss on CF. I think I can say, as a matter of historical fact, that theologians in the churches listed above wrestled thoughtfully with this question, and that they do have reasons for the decisions they made. You may or may not agree with their reasons. The web sites of some of these churches describe their theological reasoning.

David Hine7 said:

Hubble Constant (Ho) fixed to light speed, C and calculated as 71 k/s/Mpc. God did it!!!

This short work supports the universe was Created by God. The Hubble Constant, Ho, (universe expansion) is central to Creation.
The equations here are HATED by secular science, BECAUSE they support that God Created the universe and the maths framework that controls it:-

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Huh. Personally, I would love it if God created the universe. I'm not following your reasoning, though. Even if the equation somehow worked the way you think it does, what does that have to do with God?

Chesterton said:

Citations needed for your entire post.

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They admitted all of it. And then admitted it again when they accepted the pardon. How many times do they have to admit it?

David Hine7 said:

You will find all secular guesses come from desparation to challenge God. The rule is "If the Word of God runs counter to your guesses, your guesses are wrong and will cause you deep embarrasment, and your pride a joke". There is nothing in those following equations that runs counter to God's Word:-

Hubble Constant (Ho) fixed to light speed, C and calculated as 71 k/s/Mpc


Ho is now "fixed" to local light speed, C by this simple Ho equation worked in the old algebra style of Maxwell:-


2 x oneMpc x C, divided by Pi to the power of 21 = 70.9449 k/s/Mpc



In this equation, directly input the values below:-

oneMPC is 3260000 light years

C (local) is 299792.458 k/s

Pi is 3.142..........

Astronomers measuring Ho give the "ballpark" values of Ho, and now we have an Ho equation that "fixes" Ho to
local light speed, C, which has to be much more precise.

Note:- In the numerator, distance (Mpc) is multiplied by speed (k/s), and that is NOT an error in this situation, as the "distance squared" does not affect the numerical value of the Ho redshift by
"spreading out" (as any light source does) when viewing that redshift for Ho along just
one dimension only.

The dimensionless denominator Pi^21 sets the scales of this Ho equation correctly into the Dynamic Aether framework.
The Dynamic Aether Framework is not the static aether that the Michleson-Morley experiment could not detect, but
the Dynamic Aether that Faraday knew caused electrical "reluctance", and that Maxwell used as the basis for his
electric and magnetic "inertia" constants, and used in his Aether equations to calculate light speed. C.

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Hubble Constant (Ho) Hubble Horizon Distance light years calculated from Ho of 70.9449 k/s/Mpc.



oneMpc X C, divided by Ho, and then divided by one billion = 13.7758 billion light Years



In this equation, directly input the values below:-

oneMpc is 3260000 light years

C (local) is 299792.458 k/s

Ho is 70.9449 k/s/Mpc

one billion is 1,000,000,000 used to give the answer in convenient units of
billions of light years.


Note:- This Hubble Horizon Distance equation prevents falsifying the terminology of
declaring light years as years only.

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Repeating the same idiotic nonsense does not make it right.

Dan1988 said:

Yes but your explanation of the scriptures, contradicts what God said about the matter. That's the big problem I have with your version of theology

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You haven’t shown a single passage of scripture that my theology contradicts. I’m quoting scripture every single time to prove that everything I’m saying doesn’t contradict scripture.

David Hine7 said:

Squinting through the eyepiece of a telescope won't tell you much about the universe. It's a fake claim to compare that to history books written by poeple of the past who were there. The Bible is also a History book of the events of Creation, where the Prophets, such as Moses and Isaiah were in direct communication with God, the Creator who explained to them about Creation. Do YOU claim what you see when squinting through your telescope reveals more than God's Word?? Remember, God did it!!!

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It is not a fake claim as you were not there to witness Moses and Isaiah or even definitively state they existed.
Since you seem to be alluding to Edwin Hubble get your facts straight, he was part of a scientific process where observation supported a theory.
One of the proponents of the Big Bang theory was the scientist/priest Georges Lemaître.
It was Lemaître who came up with an early estimation of the age of the universe of 2 billion years.
Are you one of these narrow minded creationists who would think this would make Lemaître a lesser Christian or not one at all?

BCP1928 said:

Because many voters want him to be mayor.

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Of course if he is mayor somebody voted for him. That said, it is a sad commentary on many voters in NY. Anyone who thinks a communist is a good choice for NY has no allegiance to the constitution.

Dan1988 said:

Verse 4 is not a condiment or a condition for salvation, Jesus is simply encouraging saved people to trust Him. That's why no saved person can do anything without Him. He does everything for us.

In Verse 7 He repeats the promise to encourage saved people to remain steadfast in the faith. But never does He say, I command you to abide in Me or you will lose your salvation, this is what your denomination teaches you,. but te Lord would never says something so silly.

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You think God has to specifically add the words “I command you” in order for it to be a commandment when He tells someone to do something? So Noah didn’t really have to build the ark then? He was never commanded to. Moses didn’t have to go to Pharaoh or lead the Jews out of Egypt? He was never commanded to. Jonah didn’t have to go to Nineveh? He was never commanded to.

In Matthew 10 while Jesus was explaining to His disciples the importance of persevering in the face of persecution He said this…

“You will be hated by all because of My name, but it is the one who has endured to the end who will be saved.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭10‬:‭22‬ ‭NASB1995‬‬

He also said this…

“Do not fear those who kill the body but are unable to kill the soul; but rather fear Him who is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭10‬:‭28‬ ‭NASB1995‬‬

So are you saying that they will be saved even if they don’t endure to the end? What’s the point of telling them that they will be saved if they “endure to the end” aka “abide, stay, remain, continue” if they’re going to be saved REGARDLESS of whether or not they endure, abide, stay, remain, or continue?

You will find all secular guesses come from desparation to challenge God. The rule is "If the Word of God runs counter to your guesses, your guesses are wrong and will cause you deep embarrasment, and your pride a joke". There is nothing in those following equations that runs counter to God's Word:-

Hubble Constant (Ho) fixed to light speed, C and calculated as 71 k/s/Mpc


Ho is now "fixed" to local light speed, C by this simple Ho equation worked in the old algebra style of Maxwell:-


2 x oneMpc x C, divided by Pi to the power of 21 = 70.9449 k/s/Mpc



In this equation, directly input the values below:-

oneMPC is 3260000 light years

C (local) is 299792.458 k/s

Pi is 3.142..........

Astronomers measuring Ho give the "ballpark" values of Ho, and now we have an Ho equation that "fixes" Ho to
local light speed, C, which has to be much more precise.

Note:- In the numerator, distance (Mpc) is multiplied by speed (k/s), and that is NOT an error in this situation, as the "distance squared" does not affect the numerical value of the Ho redshift by
"spreading out" (as any light source does) when viewing that redshift for Ho along just
one dimension only.

The dimensionless denominator Pi^21 sets the scales of this Ho equation correctly into the Dynamic Aether framework.
The Dynamic Aether Framework is not the static aether that the Michleson-Morley experiment could not detect, but
the Dynamic Aether that Faraday knew caused electrical "reluctance", and that Maxwell used as the basis for his
electric and magnetic "inertia" constants, and used in his Aether equations to calculate light speed. C.

=============================================================================================
Hubble Constant (Ho) Hubble Horizon Distance light years calculated from Ho of 70.9449 k/s/Mpc.



oneMpc X C, divided by Ho, and then divided by one billion = 13.7758 billion light Years



In this equation, directly input the values below:-

oneMpc is 3260000 light years

C (local) is 299792.458 k/s

Ho is 70.9449 k/s/Mpc

one billion is 1,000,000,000 used to give the answer in convenient units of
billions of light years.


Note:- This Hubble Horizon Distance equation prevents falsifying the terminology of
declaring light years as years only.

BCP1928 said:

The retail stores do, but there are not very many as you see. The wholesale market is dominated by segments.

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I live in a large city and Kroger and Delhaize have zero presence here. Kroger was here back in the '80's but they got out-competed by a family run chain so they shut down. I have an old friend who owns a local business which competes with Sysco. Anyway, being large or dominant is not being a monopoly.

Chesterton said:

Those companies are not even remotely related. They compete against each other.

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The retail stores do, but there are not very many as you see. The wholesale market is dominated by segments.