Strong in Him said:

And you can't prove that something which eyewitnesses say happened, didn't.

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No - But I'm not so gullable as most.

Apple Sky said:

Gravity - You know what I mean't.

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Of course I did.
But not even bothering to check the spelling/grammar on your posts - and that was not just a one off - doesn't give people a lot of faith in the rest of your argument.

(And "meant" doesn't have an apostrophe in it.)

Apple Sky said:

You only have hearsay that they walked on the moon. you have no evidence.

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Personal testimony is not hearsay.
Books that have been written by eyewitnesses are not hearsay.
Photos and actual footage of the moon landings are not hearsay.

Hearsay would be, "hey, did you know; I hear people are saying that men have walked on the moon."
Or "Joe told me that he's heard it said that men landed on the moon."

And you can't prove that something which eyewitnesses say happened, didn't.

Strong in Him said:

Graity? No.

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Gravity - You know what I mean't.

Strong in Him said:

What do you mean by "hearsay"?
It's not "hearsay" - i.e. gossip or a rumour - that men walked on the moon. There is evidence, you just refuse to accept it.

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You only have hearsay that they walked on the moon. you have no evidence.

eleos1954 said:

2 Thessalonians 2:8​

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8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:

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I think we can be reasonably assured that Jesus wasn't and isn't a SUNSPOT, don't you?

keras said:

What these (and many other) prophecies, seem to be describing is sunspot activity.

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At least you added "seems" which "seems" to be you just guessing, as usual.

Your positions insist on ignoring the unseen aspects of scripture, meaning there is a veritable ARMY of players presented in the scriptures that NONE of us can see with our eyes.

Do you know who this ARMY consists of? Where their KINGDOM is?

Yet, these are invisible. It's on this unseen ground that you should cut your end time mustard and quit with the physical only guesswork.

Your positions have zero accounting for the real enemies of ALL, like the many who likewise guess.

RainySunflower said:

Kent and Jakob know their stuff.

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I have one major decisive advantage over these two authors of predictions – that, possibly, only after June 22, 2141 will I be put in the „false prophets“ column, while these two – Kent Hovind and Jakob Lorber will be there much sooner – as early as 2030.

Phil G said:

I have been looking for you to explain where satellite tv signals come from

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I been thinking about this I know your sat dish pionts to the sky but is your sat dish aligned south ?

JulieB67 said:

I will state I don't believe there's any evidence to support Universalism -just the opposite.

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And for the record, almost every believer DOES believe that the devil and his messengers are "universally" across the board, sent to hell.

Universalism doesn't have a pat brand as you infer.

People, universally die, other than those at the end of this wicked age, in the transformation/restoration period.

JulieB67 said:

But then proceeds to throw out most of the Word....

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Please feel free to provide an example.

I think we've already discovered your positions have no accounting for the tempter's operations in the minds of ALL people, that much is sure.

And the devil certainly can not love our neighbors, that's a certainty as well.

Hey...

prodromos said:

I think it refers to the natural changing of hair colour as you age beyond your 50's

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Oh, well I do that - after next Monday, I'll be pink again.

Maria Billingsley said:

Thanks for sharing but I do not hold to all the teachings from Augustine or Calvin.

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Nor do I, but thanks for the deflection

fli said:

Above is our OT removal of sins. If we depend on the OT rules for salvation the blood of bulls and goats, is our purification,

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Maybe learn the difference between not counting yet still being a sinner.

The difference is "attribution." Sins are not counted against or attributed to people, the big BUT being sins are attributed to or counted against the devil and his messengers who happen to operate in everyone (via the temptation path in mind.)

Even the slightest sinful lawless thought defiles us. Mark 7:21-23, Matt. 5:28

fli said:

Jesus became the author of eternal salvation to those who obey Him. The author, creator or writer, of eternal salvation.

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Obedience, it would seem, is to at least not lie wouldn't you think? Or worse, to be a hypocrite.

We're no better than any other given sinner. Romans 3:9

Paul considered that he was, present tense application, "I am" the chief of sinners. Do you know why he made this claim? Hint: It wasn't because of his sins of the past. It was because he engaged the TEMPTER internally. WHO then was the chief of sinners?

Not everything is as it appears on the surface, in the sight of fleshly minds.

fli said:

I say some may burn eternally and some will be dead.

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I have no issues with eternal hell or permanent destruction of the devil and his messengers, as this is part of the Gospel.

But as it pertains to our neighbors, whom we are commanded to love, it's not going to happen that way. They TOO will be divided from our captors and on they will go with our Savior, just as we.

walter45 said:

Why would people need to be raised from the dead from there grave if they were already alive?

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The grave is in the here and now, in these walking wet dust piles.

Col. 3:3
For ye are dead, and your life is hid with Christ in God.

The raising transpires when we put off corruption, dishonor and weakness, 1 Cor. 15:42-46

walter45 said:

Why do people believe that they are alive on the first day after their death, when Jesus says they are raised from the dead on the last day?

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Hours, days, months, years and times are not as they appear on the surface.

How can a first be last and a last be first? Matt. 19:30

Strong in Him said:

Graity? No.

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I think it refers to the natural changing of hair colour as you age beyond your 50's

ChubbyCherub said:

1 John 1:8-10
8 If we claim to be without sin, we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us. 9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness. 10 If we claim we have not sinned, we make him out to be a liar and his word is not in us.

1 John 3:6-10
6 No one who lives in him keeps on sinning. No one who continues to sin has either seen him or known him. 7 Dear children, do not let anyone lead you astray. The one who does what is right is righteous, just as he is righteous. 8 The one who does what is sinful is of the devil, because the devil has been sinning from the beginning. The reason the Son of God appeared was to destroy the devil’s work. 9 No one who is born of God will continue to sin, because God’s seed remains in them; they cannot go on sinning, because they have been born of God. 10 This is how we know who the children of God are and who the children of the devil are: Anyone who does not do what is right is not God’s child, nor is anyone who does not love their brother and sister.

I read this last night after a weekend of heavy drinking and eating.

This is not a habitual thing for me. I have drank less than 10 times this year but I have been struggling with overeating due to heavy restriction of calories, since the beginning of this year, in an effort to lose weight.

I have lost about 50 pounds and am only 10 pounds away from goal weight. But, the stress of it all (turning away all social engagements, business engagements, family time etc) causes me to overeat when I start to eat any sugary foods and drinking magnifies the craves and reduces all inhibition and self-control.

So, to my way of thinking, I am not only drinking to excess but then engaging in gluttony, or self sabotage or, I don't really know 100% what the exact sin would be but the action of drinking too much and then overeating seems sinful. Also, I don't view these things as glorifying God or being a light to unbelievers (my family) so it would seem to me that I am indeed sinning.

In an effort to understand, I read the above verses last night.

With regards to 1 John 1:8-10, I believe I am a sinner, have confessed my sins, asked for forgiveness and accepted Jesus Christ as my Lord and savior.

With regards to 1 John 3:6-10, sin is of the devil, and 'No one who is born of God will continue to sin, because God’s seed remains in them; they cannot go on sinning, because they have been born of God. 10 This is how we know who the children of God are and who the children of the devil are,'

Am I truly saved then if I continue to sin? Am I sinning? I have prayed and acknowledged that I'm not sure about either of these points but, really, I am sure I am saved because I have done what the Bible says saves us according to Romans 10:9-13:

9 If you declare with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. 10 For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you profess your faith and are saved. 11 As Scripture says, “Anyone who believes in him will never be put to shame.”[e] 12 For there is no difference between Jew and Gentile—the same Lord is Lord of all and richly blesses all who call on him, 13 for, “Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.”[f]

Any and all help is appreciated. On one hand, I feel broken hearted. I certainly do not want to be of the devil and I want to live my life for Christ and have assurance that I will be with Him when the time comes. On the other hand, I feel like I'm misunderstanding something and overreacting. On the other hand, I feel like I could want that to be the case because the consequences are devastating and I wouldn't know what the point of anything was anymore...

If you could help me, I would be forever grateful, thank you and God bless.

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The two verses you quoted indicate an ongoing lifestyle, or continuous attitude of repentance. 1 Jn. 3:6-10 is not talking about absolute sinless perfection. Therefore, it's about direction in life, not a state of being. Consider this: the sinful nature causes people to be self-centered. If God made us sinlessly perfect, it would not take long until we're thinking that we overcame sin, and think we don't still need our Savior's deliverance. Therefore, God has to leave us in some minimal sin in order to keep our conscience realizing we still need Jesus to save us. Paul acknowledges the reality of our continued sinfulness by saying, "the body is dead because of sin, but the spirit is alive because of righteousness" (in Rom. 8).

With that said, why do you think you're a glutton? Is it because after eating "too much" you feel physically miserable? You're simply experiencing the consequence of your lack of self-control. Did you drink too much alcohol? You're experiencing the consequence of it, and of course you feel guilty if you were staggering drunk. It doesn't mean you're not saved (spiritually) or lost salvation. It means you've lost your peace in relationship with God. So you need to consider that your sense of peace with God is a treasure that you will not trade for any worldly satisfaction.

Consider this: if you think you should be perfect in self-control, then since that is one of the fruits of the Spirit, then it means you have to be perfect in love, in joy, in peace, in faithfulness, in goodness, etc. etc., IOW sinlessly perfect. IMO you should learn how to live by faith, which means practicing the awareness of God's presence, seeking Him for help in all you do. In this way you will glorify God by your faith. Stop worrying about your salvation, because what Jesus did for you was sufficient to save you completely. So you should stop "working" on your sins, and start/continue your real spiritual work, by trusting Jesus to deliver you from all unrighteousness (1 Jn. 1:9). Live by the grace of God, not by your will-power. Surrender to God and let Him direct your will.

The idea is to trust Jesus for your eternal destiny 100%, and it is possible with such encouragement as what the apostle and elder John gave us in 1 Jn. 5:1 - "Everyone who believes that Jesus is the Christ has been born of God." It says "everyone," so that includes you, if indeed you trust Jesus to completely take care of your eternal future. It says, "has been born of God," so that means God will never let you go, since you are His child. If you need chastisement, He will do it, according to Heb. 12. A guilty conscience is part of that chastisement, the first level. Sometimes if we persist in sin, the next level is economic hardship. The idea is that we learn how to overcome by faith, when we find ourselves, our will-power, too weak to avoid succumbing to temptation. Jesus said, "the spirit is willing, but the flesh is weak."

Therefore, it is the devil who wants you believe that you're not saved or has lost salvation. If anyone even suggests to you a condemnation, don't listen to them. Only listen to God, who said, "I will never leave you, nor will I ever forsake you." Jesus said, "My sheep hear My voice, and they follow Me, and I give eternal life to them, and they will never perish." Once these words become the basis of our relationship with God, and we are practicing our awareness of His presence, and we are fellowshipping with other Christians, and we are memorizing scripture and reading it, and praying, then how can any of us be condemned, seeing it says, "the righteous shall live by faith"? Your faith is being tested, so keep on trusting Christ as your deliverer for the rest of your natural life.

Fervent said:

I think it's pretty clear they're most likely going to go with an empty suit with a flashy smile.

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Isn’t that every American president ever? It’s always been a flashy smile competition. It’s all surface visuals. When was the last short ugly American President?

That’s why America is in its current state. It elects hi riz Presidents.

Apple Sky said:

Dont believe all you read instead use your eyes, feelings & most important use your brain, after all isn't this why God gave us one ?.

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Same to you.
Except don't use your feelings because they are changeable and unreliable. That, I think, is where most of the problem lies - i.e. "the sun doesn't look 93,000,000 miles away, so it can't be." Your brain should tell you that that is an illogical statement.

Instead, use a telescope to look at the night sky. Observe sunsets. THINK about statements made by those who understand science, maths, satellite dishes etc.
If you want the truth you should be prepared to study the evidence both for and against and decide which there is most of, which is the most compelling etc and test it out, as far as you can - i.e contact eyewitnesses.

If you are not convinced that what you say, and believe, is the truth then you should either set it out, with your evidence, and invite proper debate but be prepared for the fact that people will oppose you. Or you should stop writing threads which ask, "thoughts" or "what do you guys think?"
Because as soon as anyone tells you what they KNOW, you respond with or something similar. Then you act offended if anyone calls you on it.

Fervent said:

then when they've built up enough numbers they go full scale Sharia law

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In which western democracy has this happened?

Apple Sky said:

Graity - Can anyone say what it is ?

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Graity? No.

Apple Sky said:

Prove me wrong then & not with hearsay's.

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You, yourself, watched Charles Duke's testimony. It was that which led you to say that you "hand on heart" believed him, said "sorry" to God for doubting the astronauts and said that Flat Earth was a load of nonsense.
But that, and anything else we say, is now dismissed by you as "they're lying", "that was faked" etc, etc.

What do you mean by "hearsay"?
It's not "hearsay" - i.e. gossip or a rumour - that men walked on the moon. There is evidence, you just refuse to accept it.

We only have your messages here to "prove" that you exist. For all we know you could be a robot or you could be using software that automatically argues with anyone who disagrees with you.

And, perhaps, also, acceptance that in community life, you don't always get your own way. But for some people, that's a real struggle!

Predynastic Egyptian bikes might have been built with precision but had a durability issue.