ralliann said:

It is equity.

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It till all belongs to God though. He watches how we use it in accordance with His commandments.

ThatRobGuy said:

With the rigorous screening process and complex calculus you describe, how did Walz make the cut?

I think you're attributing a deeper amount of thought in the process than what was actually exercised.

From my vantage point, she picked Walz because she thought "football coach who hunts might appeal to young men and moderates"

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I don't think Waltz is just an empty stuffed suit, he was an actual governor with executive experience, as well as having experience as a school teacher and coach. Buttigieg was just a mayor for a short period of time, in comparison. He might have been good at understanding foreign policy, given his intelligence background, but foreign policy issues haven't been pertinent in US politics in some time: the future in US politics is going to be about managing America's geopolitical decline gracefully while facing domestic challenges, the likes of which we haven't seen since the US Civil War.

Democrats do best when they run on actual proven competence. Buttigieg needs more political experience making tough calls.

eclipsenow said:

I'm talking about MAGA's response today compared to the Democrat's response to MLK being assassinated.

Watch the video. Apparently it's the only way you're going to grasp what I'm actually discussing - and how your indignant response just confirms everything my favourite ABC reporter has been saying.

(I mean - as IF I was comparing being ghosted with being assassinated! You've just conducted a classic bait-and-switch in an attempt to induce guilt and avoid the actual point!)

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And this video is as well. It really is nothing different than has been going on for the last ten years.

ralliann said:

Oh my ghosted? Charley died......
Not to say your friend should ghost you, however there is no equivalence.

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I'm talking about MAGA's response today compared to the Democrat's response to MLK being assassinated.

Watch the video. Apparently it's the only way you're going to grasp what I'm actually discussing - and how your indignant response just confirms everything my favourite ABC reporter has been saying.

(I mean - as IF I was comparing being ghosted with being assassinated! You've just conducted a classic bait-and-switch in an attempt to induce guilt and avoid the actual point!)

Probably true. VP's are often chosen pragmatically, and don't reflect ideals.

I haven't seen enough about Buttigieg's politics to know much about him... even though I have watched several interviews with him, so that says alot. He's a bit of a cypher.

I'm sure he has a decent character and comes across as charismatic and likeable, but I'm unconvinced he's prepared to be president in such a troubled nation. He reminds me of Obama, and not in a good way. Obama was a flawed figure that trusted too much in the neoliberal myth and not enough in making tough decisions with moral clarity that wouldn't win him any friends among his peers. After the 2008 financial crash, our country needed a liturgy of public repudiation of private greed, instead we got Obama's promise that nothing would fundamentally change for Wall Street, and he had their backs. Instead of systemic critique, we got years of posturing identity politics and techno-utopian fantasies while the average Americans standard of living declined, all accompanied by zero empathy from Obama in the process (other than making cold remarks about people clinging to their "guns and religion" in rural America)

So, I'm sure Buttigieg is a decent Christian man and would make a good cabinet appointee, but I wouldn't count on him to make hard decisions that will be contrary his instincts to build a soft consensus. Buttigieg comes across as somebody that wants to be likeable, in an almost desperate way, his whole life has been marred by a self-creation project of acceptability politics. And that's not exactly a good thing right now in this cultural moment.

Trump says 3 'narcoterrorists' killed in 3rd US strike on drug traffickers

On my Orders, the Secretary of War ordered a lethal kinetic strike on a vessel affiliated with a Designated Terrorist Organization conducting narcotrafficking in the USSOUTHCOM area of responsibility. Intelligence confirmed the vessel was trafficking illicit narcotics, and was transiting along a known narcotrafficking passage enroute to poison Americans," Trump wrote.

The strike killed 3 male narcoterrorists aboard the vessel, which was in international waters," he added. "No U.S. Forces were harmed in this strike. STOP SELLING FENTANYL, NARCOTICS, AND ILLEGAL DRUGS IN AMERICA, AND COMMITTING VIOLENCE AND TERRORISM AGAINST AMERICANS!!!"

Godcrazy said:

If they do that then yes

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I think it the same for income though. It is equity. People who are Able, driven, hard working to make a better living. If the abilty to have that living, is taken away, why work your tail off to do it? Scripture speaks of rewards, along with fairness, and then charity. The other is just equity.
I don't speak of these things because I have wealth, I do not. Never have had it. I get by...I am fine with that. If it were less though I would not.

bèlla said:

Why must everyone follow what another does? If torah observance seems right to you then do it. But you can’t lay your preference on others.

~bella

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Observing the Torah definitely isn’t frowned upon in the scriptures

timothyu said:

Was that not strengthening the position of the Jews while telling the other tribes of the House of Israel they need not apply any more? The Jews looked down upon their brethren.

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I don’t understand what you mean. Can you please elaborate?

Soyeong said:

It is either incorrect to interpret Paul as speaking against obeying the Torah (my position) or he was a false prophet, but either way followers of Christ should be followers of his example of obedience to the Torah.

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There’s another option, maybe God made a new covenant with new expectations.

Soyeong said:

It is either incorrect to interpret Paul as speaking against obeying the Torah (my position) or he was a false prophet, but either way followers of Christ should be followers of his example of obedience to the Torah.

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Jesus kept the entire Torah. Is circumcision still required to enter into to the New Covenant? Are we still expected to observe the dietary laws and sabbath days?

ThatRobGuy said:

Why?

If a person's country is so bad that a person needs to emigrate, that's either evidence that the country's institutions and foundations were flawed, that it lacked the proper checks and balances, or that it hitched its wagon to a non-viable economic plan.

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Or that the present administration of the country is making the place unliveable.

ThatRobGuy said:

If I ever thought the US became so unstable (economically, politically, or otherwise) that I felt the need to move to Canada, my takeaway would be "welp, I guess I was wrong, the American experiment failed -- Canada is still stable, there must have been some things we overlooked that they had the foresight to plan for, clearly they're better than us", and you'd see a big maple leaf flag in my front yard.

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Why? Why can't you just move because you need a better job than you can get here, or because the political situation has become intolerable. Why do you have to think that Canada is "better than us" to move there.

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By "now" do you mean after 1970? (and I'm being generous by not including FDR in this conversation)


No, but the America's foundations and system of governance isn't purely defined by whoever the present administration is.

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No, but they can be warped by it.

ThatRobGuy said:

I'm happy to live in a system where executive branch administrations are temporary. If this were parliamentary system, a Trump-style person could be a Prime Minister almost indefinitely given that a PM's only impediment is "lack of party confidence"

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Things could well get worse before they get better.

ralliann said:

The dumbing down of standards has happened here in this ideal for equality. Which is a deceptive term. It really is equity. taking the out the abilty for differing outcomes.

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If they do that then yes

eclipsenow said:

"THESE people." "THEY did it." "THEY are coming to get us!"
"We are at WAR with THEM!"
Thanks MAGA politicians and newsreaders.
Way to turn down the temperature!

ABC reporter Matt Bevan compares this to when the LEFT's celebrity Martin Luther King was assassinated. What did RFK say? Did he pour fuel on the fire? His speech is included. The way he spoke of his own brother's assassination ...

Compare THAT speech to the incendiary rhetoric today - and it might hint at a better way - at how previous generations thought Statesmen and women should behave. How far our culture has drifted from earlier ideals. (In some areas. We also had MASSIVE blind spots back then as well.)

THEN Bevan covers the Republican's plans to be carried out "In Charlie's name." Wow!

Because I'm politically left of centre, and like to TALK about lefty subjects like healthcare and the climate - I somehow share in the guilt of SHOOTING Charlie Kirk dead! Yet evidence suggests the shooter was a socially isolated, registered Republican. Planet America suggests he was a FAR-right crazy - way outside even MAGA's political range.

I've tried to contact someone who accused me of celebrating Kirk's assassination - and has ghosted me. I thought we were friends? I thought he understood I would never say something like that? I'm collateral damage in this MAGA crusade. If that's happening here in Australia - how toxic must it be in the States?
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Oh my ghosted? Charley died......
Not to say your friend should ghost you, however there is no equivalence.

The Barbarian said:

Turns out, they were better fighter pilots than your average white guy...

Remembering the Tuskegee Airmen | U.S. Department of the Interior

Breaking racial barriers in WWII

www.doi.gov

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There are a lot of things we are better at, like charming the ladies.

Godcrazy said:

We do not do that. If someone does not want to go to school they are left to their own in school they do get picked up to school anyway. Then they are sent to specialist class where they usually can choose to learn or not they do get support, or they are made to re do school or go to a more practical learning school learn a trade or something. As well as those who do their home work do get the grades they deserve but those who does not do not. It is more the treatment not be treated badly.

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The dumbing down of standards has happened here in this ideal for equality. Which is a deceptive term. It really is equity. taking the out the abilty for differing outcomes.

The Barbarian said:

I think you got right to the core of the fear we see among formerly-privileged demographics.

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It shows how fundamentally Charlie Kirk's message wasn't all that Christian, despite the claims to represent "western civilization", it's real appeal was to fear and grievance: your value isn't being a child of God and heir to the promise of a Kingdom that is not of this world, it's in owning the libs, being able to be a jackass in public and get away with it, etc., all justified by ridiculous stories of grievance. To anyone of genuine spiritual sensitivity, this is trading in your inheritance for a bowl of porridge. It's not spiritual power, it's desperation in the face of unbelief.

It's also why he detested empathy, and thought it was a made up "new age" concept. Empathy is at the heart of Jesus most cited parable, the Good Samaritan. Instead, Charlie Kirk's "Christianity" was about selling a dudebro fantasy of unchallenged white male swagger as believable and credible to young men, and obscuring the fact he and his family was being compensated tens of millions of dollars to perform the kayfabe. I'm sure, on some level, that people like Erika Kirk and even Charlie himself thought it was real, but kayfabe has a tendency of working that way after a while. However, as Jesus warned, don't build your house on sand, all that will happen is that the storm comes, washes away what you have built, and all you are left with are ruins.

We all seem to think the fate of the world is at stake yet for different reasons. Things were pretty bad in the days of Jesus also. He chose his battles, with the Jews rather than the oppressive Romans. We ought not stand idly by. But how to effectively engage? Freth’s guidelines are certainly a start. It really is a discipline. Who is up for it?

ralliann said:

Fair wages yes... But equal living no. I believe scripture supports that notion.
To put it another way.
Children in school, have differing abilities. Then there are those with disabilities that need special help. But there are those within normal ability ranges, which differ due to behaviour. Someone capable of getting a's gets d". They don't study, they drink, smoke pot dont do himework. Then those that study, do their homework, don;t drink, or smoke pot. Their education is important to them, they work for that grade. Are you going to take the A from the one, to give credit the D so they equal out?

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Godcrazy said:

There is also a acknowledgement that some students need more years or time to learn something as brains develop differently different talents, usually they try to find something they like and are good with

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Yes I did address those that need special help. in whatever capacity that exists.

"THESE people." "THEY did it." "THEY are coming to get us!"
"We are at WAR with THEM!"
Thanks MAGA politicians and newsreaders.
Way to turn down the temperature!

ABC reporter Matt Bevan compares this to when the LEFT's celebrity Martin Luther King was assassinated. What did RFK say? Did he pour fuel on the fire? His speech is included. The way he spoke of his own brother's assassination ...

Compare THAT speech to the incendiary rhetoric today - and it might hint at a better way - at how previous generations thought Statesmen and women should behave. How far our culture has drifted from earlier ideals. (In some areas. We also had MASSIVE blind spots back then as well.)

THEN Bevan covers the Republican's plans to be carried out "In Charlie's name." Wow!

Because I'm politically left of centre, and like to TALK about lefty subjects like healthcare and the climate - I somehow share in the guilt of SHOOTING Charlie Kirk dead! Yet evidence suggests the shooter was a socially isolated, registered Republican. Planet America suggests he was a FAR-right crazy - way outside even MAGA's political range.

I've tried to contact someone who accused me of celebrating Kirk's assassination - and has ghosted me. I thought we were friends? I thought he understood I would never say something like that? I'm collateral damage in this MAGA crusade. If that's happening here in Australia - how toxic must it be in the States?
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