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pc_home · 2025-11-21T05:34:35-0600

„And being turned, I saw seven golden candlesticks.“ (see Revelation 1: 12b KJV) – as if John had been transported to the temple setting of „Hanukkah“ („Dedication“) – the „Feast of Lights“ and the dedication of the Temple (see 2Maccabees 10:5; cf. John 10:22,23), a reminder of the miracle that occurred in the sanctuary, around the winter solstice in December 165 BC. Although the Hebrew words „וְנִצְדַּ֖ק“ („wə·niṣ·daq“) and „חֲנֻכָּה‎“ („Hanukkah“) are etymologically different, the event associated with the rededication of the temple in 165 BC, that is celebrated on Hanukkah, is was just an image or the historical-proleptic fulfillment of the 2300-day prophecy in Daniel 8: 14 regarding authentic (the real one) fulfillment in „the end of time“, when the Sanctuary will be „wə·niṣ·daq“ „restored/cleansed“. Translators of the Septuagint (the Greek translation of the Old Testament) have even translated „wə·niṣ·daq“ with the Greek word „katharizo“, which means „to cleanse“, influenced by the understanding that the text in Daniel 8: 14 refers to the ritual cleansing of the temple. Adding 2300 years after 165 BC, it turns out that (probably) John was taken away in the Spirit on the day „Κυριακή Ημέρα“ – Saturday, December 22, 2136 AD – the beginning of the „Lord’s Day“? Based on the chronology of Elizabeth and Mary’s pregnancies and the births of their respective babies, the days around „Hanukkah“ in 8 BC was the time when Jesus was also conceived by the Holy Spirit in the womb of the Virgin Mary. This was an additional reason for Christ to be accepted as „the Light of the world“ (see John 8:12; 1:4, etc.).

HIM · 2025-11-21T05:30:29-0600

Brother Del said:
There was a time in the history of the church when the children of God could read and fully understand passages of scripture such as the one posted below, without any question of what was being said, or how to apply it to their lives. Yes, there has always been dissent and dissenters within the body of Christ. But they were usually dealt with swiftly and universally. These are truly the days that we were warned about, God have mercy on us all.

13And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses; 14Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross; 15And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it.

16Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holy day, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days: 17Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.

Yes indeedy! No one thought that the Sabbath of the Decalogue was the sabbaths mention in Colossians. They kept a Sabbath on the 1st day of the week following the tradition of man in apostacy or they kept the Sabbath as God ordained. Only within the last 100 to 200 years has the Church for the most part completely apostatized.

BelieveItOarKnot · 2025-11-21T05:29:09-0600

Dan Perez said:
And 1 John 5:18 says that whosoever is BORN. of God does NOT. SIN. !!

And in 1. John 1:8 says If we say. that we have no SIN WE DECIVE. OURSELFS and the TRUTH is nor in us !!

What says you and their is and ANSWER. and will you believe it ?? I say NO. as you seem. to entrenched in. WATER !!

Good luck. !!

dan p

Dan, I really don't get your point. Are you trying to condemn me for some reason you can't quite pin down???

BelieveItOarKnot · 2025-11-21T05:26:53-0600

bling said:
I do believe in a place of torment,

As do I, for the devil and his messengers. That much I think most of us can agree on.

bling said:
but eventually every person in hell is annihilated, but that takes lots of scripture and words to explain.

It may surprise you if you haven't actually studied this matter out, but just for kicks, do you know that in the entire Bible there is not one single named person said to be in hell now, or in the future?

Go figure. What everyone takes as a fact has no named person as and example.

And, again, just for kicks, not one named person is even threatened with such a fate in the entire Bible.

Again, go figure.

bling said:
Yes! We are all God’s children,

Well, you see, using your conclusion, it is God Himself who burns His Own children alive forever.

Is God some kind of sickO or what? Just think about what you're thinking here. It's bizarre.

bling said:
but some of God’s children continue to reject God’s help (Love/charity/grace/mercy/forgiveness) to the point they would never of their own free will humbly accept God’s charity as charity. So, what can be done with them? They would be very unhappy in heaven where there is no carnal type of love and only Godly type Love (Which they do not want or like).

And you simply fail to SEE that people are blinded by the god of this world, just like we were. Uh, that would be THE DEVIL. And you just forgot that part and now only see and blame people. And GUESS WHO does that in people?

Uh, huh. Not you.

NotreDame said:
Except the word “lust” is never used in relation to Eve and illuminating John had no difficulty using the word repeatedly of “the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life” and there’s no compelling reason why the author of Genesis couldn’t have likewise used the word “lust” in relation to Eve.

It doesn't take a genius to connect the dots on the subject.

Lust of the flesh:
Gen 6 And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food

Lust of the eyes:
Gen 6- it was pleasant to the eyes

The pride of life:
Gen 6- a tree to be desired to make one wise

And lust stems from:
John 8:44

Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do

Eve's sins are no different than the sin of anyone else: "of the devil," 1 John 3:8

But try as a person might to get anyone to actually see this connection is problematic when they are still in the grips.

Paul saw the connection quite clearly, showing Eve and the tempter IN MIND:

2 Cor. 11:3
But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.

Satan not only operates in our minds thought temptations, he sins in words through our bodies, such as speaking through Peter to Jesus' face no less. Even entering the body of Judas to betray Jesus.

It's one of the most obvious things in the scriptures, but alas, not many really believe it happens to THEMSELVES. And in such Satan has successfully HIDDEN and SHIELDED himself. That's what THEY do "in people."

So you see, the opening post was about Eve, but it's really meant to pinpoint and isolate the enemy in us all.

NotreDame said:
There’s nothing in these verses that substantively has anything to do with “prepackaged with faults.” Neither did Paul assert Adam was “planted” in “corruption, dishonor, weakness.”

And again, that's just lack of knowledge of the scriptures on your part. Here for example we can quite easily connect DISOBEDIENCE to SATAN:

Eph. 2:2
Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience:

The dead giveaway however to spot the PERP is people who want to burn our neighbors alive forever.

There is no greater hatred of neighbors than that. And unfortunately that infection is quite well advanced in the "body" general

Richard T · 2025-11-21T05:25:15-0600

MarcusGregor said:
Federal judges block Texas from using its new US House map in the 2026 midterms

A panel of three federal judges has blocked Texas from using a new congressional map that Republicans drew in hopes of picking up five U.S. House seats.

apnews.com

A federal court on Tuesday blocked Texas from using a redrawn U.S. House map that touched off a nationwide redistricting battle and is a major piece of President Donald Trump’s efforts to preserve a slim Republican majority ahead of the 2026 elections.

The ruling is a blow to Trump’s rush to create a more favorable political landscape for Republicans in next year’s midterms, at least for now. Texas filed an appeal Tuesday evening with the U.S. Supreme Court after Gov. Greg Abbott and other Republicans publicly defended the map, which was engineered to give Republicans five additional House seats.

In a 2-1 ruling, a panel of federal judges in El Paso sided with opponents who argued that Texas’ unusual summer redrawing of congressional districts would harm Black and Hispanic residents. The decision was authored by U.S. District Judge Jeffrey V. Brown, a Trump nominee from the president’s first term.

“To be sure, politics played a role in drawing the 2025 Map. But it was much more than just politics. Substantial evidence shows that Texas racially gerrymandered the 2025 Map,” the ruling states.

Very unfortunate for Abbott and Texas Republicans. And I guess the GOP overall.

This article describes how it might hurt the GOP. 3 reasons Republicans’ redistricting power grab might backfire

"But sometimes the effort backfires: In trying to maximize their seats, a party spreads its voters too thin and fails to make some districts safe enough. These vulnerable districts can then flip to the other party in future elections, and the opposing party ends up winning more seats than expected.

This phenomenon, commonly referred to as “dummymandering,” has happened before. It even happened in Texas, where Republicans lost a large handful of poorly drawn state legislative districts in the Dallas suburbs in 2018, a strong year for Democrats nationwide. With Democrats poised for a strong 2026 midterm election against an unpopular president, this is a lesson Republicans might need to pay attention to."

Dan1988 · 2025-11-21T05:23:45-0600

fhansen said:
Um...Institutes of the Christian Religion is theology. What theology do you study-Jack Chick? Anyway, it appears you're again sure of what you don't know.

Wow, you don't even know what theology means. And you believe there are many gods, so we are worlds apart. You can have your religion all to yourself, it is an abomination to me.

HIM · 2025-11-21T05:23:35-0600

Studyman said:
I can see how a person might make this mistake, But the Biblical Truth is that Paul calls the promoters and followers of the "Jews religion" the Circumcision, "made with hands". I posted the Scriptures, but perhaps you didn't read them. He also called men who didn't follow the "Jews Religion", the "uncircumcision". He also called the Body of Christ, the True Circumcision and that Jesus was "a Minister of this circumcision", "The truth of God". I posted the Inspired Words of God showing His Truth here as well, but you didn't acknowledge these verses either, I'm not sure why.

Because you left the context of Galatians 2. The issue is Titus not being compelled to be circumcised. NOT how it is fulfilled in and through Christ.
By Titus' refusal to be circumcised, he was not heeding what was written in the Law by the understanding of those in Jerusalem . This issue, not fellowshipping with Gentiles and taking on their customs is all being said in context verse 16 where it states Knowing that a man is not justified, made righteous out of the works of the law, if not (unless, except) through the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed into Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified. If righteousness were by the Law, the Book of the Law outside of this Faith then Christ died in vain.
Nothing in the context of the passage says otherwise.

We are not made righteous by the works of the Law, by what we do if it is not through the faith of Jesus Christ. The faith we now have through the changed heart. In that we have been begotten by the Word of truth. His Law, His Word is now in our heart and mouth that we do it. That is the Word of faith in which we preach. That is the Faith the just, the righteous live by that establishes the Law. We are a new creature created in Christ Jesus. All is new and of God who has given us this word of reconciliation. The new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness. Having put on the new man, which is renewed in knowledge after the image of him that created him: For We are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.

Studyman said:
Again, there wasn't a LAW against eating with unbelievers,

Eating with would be considered fellowshipping, wouldn't it?

Gentiles would be unbelievers, unclean, heathen in the Jews eyes. The Jews have a law in the Book of the Law about not mingling with people who were not of Israel. Peter and the Disciples knew this was not an issue anymore through the Body of Christ, but when those of the Circumcision showed up, He got scared and lost his faith and disassembled himself from the gentiles because of his fear. And by his example others followed. Bad Peter...
This is what Paul is saying was going on. Here is the Law from the Book of the Law. It is repeated throughout the Law and Prophets. Even in the New Testament. in respect to the Body of Christ not fellowshipping with unbelievers. I will post that also.

I would be doing a disservice to our Father God, creator of Heaven and Earth if I did not mention that, if we who are of Christ would heed to the council of 2 Cor 6:14-17 we would have less issues in our walks individually and corporately as THE Church. The only fellowshipping we are to be doing with those do not know God and His Christ is to bring them to Christ. That means helping them when needed and sharing God's Word to bring them to God. Otherwise we are to be separate from them and their ways. As 1 Cor 5 also says, but in respect to the unrepented in the Church. A little leaven, leavens the whole.

All this, even to the heathen outside of the Church should bring sorrow to us when we reach the point when we have to heed this council, As Paul, in 1 Cor 5 also said, should you have not been puffed up but rather mourned, that they be taken from you?

Exod 34:12 Take heed to thyself, lest thou make a covenant with the inhabitants of the land whither thou goest, lest it be for a snare in the midst of thee:
Exod 34:13 But ye shall destroy their altars, break their images, and cut down their groves:
Exod 34:14 For thou shalt worship no other god: for the LORD, whose name is Jealous, is a jealous God:
Exod 34:15 Lest thou make a covenant with the inhabitants of the land, and they go a whoring after their gods, and do sacrifice unto their gods, and one call thee, and thou eat of his sacrifice;
Exod 34:16 And thou take of their daughters unto thy sons, and their daughters go a whoring after their gods, and make thy sons go a whoring after their gods.

2Cor 6:14 Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?
2Cor 6:15 And what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel?
2Cor 6:16 And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.
2Cor 6:17 Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you,

1Cor 5:2 And ye are puffed up, and have not rather mourned, that he that hath done this deed might be taken away from among you.
1Cor 5:6 Your glorying is not good. Know ye not that a little leaven leaveneth the whole lump?
1Cor 5:7 Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump, as ye are unleavened. For even Christ our passover is sacrificed for us:
1Cor 5:6 Your glorying is not good. Know ye not that a little leaven leaveneth the whole lump?
1Cor 5:7 Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump, as ye are unleavened. For even Christ our passover is sacrificed for us:
1Cor 5:10 Yet not altogether with the fornicators of this world, or with the covetous, or extortioners, or with idolaters; for then must ye needs go out of the world.
1Cor 5:11 But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat.
1Cor 5:12 For what have I to do to judge them also that are without? do not ye judge them that are within?
1Cor 5:13 But them that are without God judgeth. Therefore put away from among yourselves that wicked person.

Studyman said:
Your entire premise is founded on 2 things.

#1. God's Laws were against Jesus, Paul and the Body of Christ.

No, once again you are not reading or maybe understanding what is being relayed to you. Faith establishes the Law. The Law is in our hearts and minds. His word is in our hearts and mouths. This faith is the faith in which we preach. This is the faith that establishers the Law.

If the Law is established by the just's faith; how is it that what is being preached to you against God's laws?
Nay it is establish!

Studyman said:
#2. The Pharisees were trying to earn Salvation by obeying God's Laws.

Unless through Faith, the changed heart they were. But alas they were saying and doing not. Breaking the least and teaching men so.

Matt 5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
Matt 5:20 For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.

Studyman said:
Your sermon on Galatians has raised many questions from me that I asked you specifically about. And how many did you answer Sir? Not One.

Are the theatrics for affect. As if they add any credit to what you post in regard to this topic?

Dan1988 · 2025-11-21T05:19:57-0600

fhansen said:
I see. and that's called presumption-and is the reason you don't know the faith well. You don't know much about the historical foundations and theological legacy of the church, and apparently didn't bother to read the quote from Thess already given in post #552. How can you claim to know anything, or credibly and honestly respond to anyone's posts, if you don't even read them?

2 Thess is speaking about people like you, who do not obey the gospel of the Lord Jesus. all you have done so far is reject the gospel and make false accusations.
All I have done is proclaim thew gospel and you respond with slander. You have never identified a single error in my theology, so you just resort to making false accusations.

If you had something to offer, you would correct me, but it's obvious you have nothing to offer.

Richard T · 2025-11-21T05:14:27-0600

another_lost_guy said:
For some reason this fascinates me a lot. All of the eucharistic miracles suggest that Jesus has AB blood type. I have also heard that AB blood type was common in New Testament era Palestine. But AB is the universal receiver blood type, not the universal donor. Only those with AB blood can receive AB blood. AB blood is also extremely rare, with roughly 4% of people having it. Could this tie in to the path to heaven being narrow? Is Jesus not the universal donor? If so, wouldn't that necessitate Him having O negative blood? I'm trying to not sound like a Pharisee here, it is something I am genuinely curious about. How does blood type work in relation to communion?

Your post is why I like CF as you share something unique and interesting that I never considered. My thinking is that if the blood of animals could cover sins in the Old testament, then the blood of Jesus is quite capable of removing our sins before God regardless of blood type.

Tinker Grey · 2025-11-21T05:12:05-0600

Fools find no pleasure in understanding
but delight in airing their own opinions.

jonojim1337 · 2025-11-21T05:03:08-0600

keras said:
Does what the Bible Prophets tell us, have no real meaning for you, or others here. Is it all just Spiritual?
The Prophecy in Zechariah 9:9 was really fulfilled. How can people say other Prophesies, obviously unfulfilled, but which can, feasibly be fulfilled; will not be?

The current situation in the Middle East, is untenable and cannot continue. God has said that He is going to resolve it. Jeremiah 12:14, +
I say: Bring it on Lord!

Show me where in the Bible it says Jerusalem is in Palestine.

“Spacious” and “flowing with milk and honey” doesn’t fit the description of a small piece of barren desert.

jonojim1337 · 2025-11-21T05:00:13-0600

partinobodycular said:
Congratulations, this is the most circuitous route to a point that I've ever seen.

It is the glory of God to conceal a thing: but the honour of kings is to search out a matter.

Jerry N. · 2025-11-21T04:55:39-0600

Strong in Him said:
I can understand the sentiment but I'm afraid it didn't work. He thought your comment was gross.

Honestly, there's nothing wrong with saying, "this is a deeply held belief of mine, and I don't appreciate you mocking it."
And while we're on the subject, I'm sorry if I've done that to you.
I don't, honestly, feel that your belief makes any sense and some of your arguments ARE contradictory. But even so mocking you, as a person, is not right.

I'm going to leave this thread now.
Honestly, I think it's all been said; all arguments repeated, disproved, done to death etc.
This is not a debate, it's become a "yes it does"/"no it doesn't" argument, and the bottom line is that it has nothing to do with salvation or our Christian lives.

I hope to meet you again.

Jerry N. · 2025-11-21T04:52:48-0600

Strong in Him said:
I'm sorry to hear you are unwell.
My M.E symptoms have disappeared now I believe I was healed, 16 years ago.

I am in the UK. It's sunny here, but very cold.

Thanks, I'm okay and just need to be careful.

Nithavela · 2025-11-21T04:46:34-0600

Larniavc said:
I’ve no doubt that all these so called acts of kindness are to cover up for some malfeasance.

He gave a porn star a bunch of money. Was he just being kind?

Let's verify that they actually happened before we debate how kind these acts really were.

I don't think that Trump is completely unable to perform acts of kindness. But I do believe that he is not the type to do so quietly or secretly without anyone knowing about them.

Dan1988 · 2025-11-21T04:44:10-0600

Lukaris said:
I didn’t know saying, “God is love” ( 1 John 4:8) is false. You keep saying that I am putting the Old Testament over the New by mentioning the commandments ( like Matthew 7:12 per Matthew 7:1-12, Matthew 22:36-40, Romans 13:8-10, per Romans 3:1-14?).

Yet you keep saying “God is hate” or is “also hate” in your revised mentions. Every verse that you can try to claim this from is from the Old Testament which you say I sm muddling with the New. The only thing God “hates” in the NT are the “deeds” ( Revelation 2:6) & “doctrines ( Revelation 2:15) of the Nicolatians. God ( the Lord Jesus Christ here) doesn’t say He hates the Nicolatians themselves. This is recorded by the Apostle John who also wrote “God is love” ( 1 John 4:8). 1 Corinthians 13:1-13 isn’t a hallmark card.

Paul speaks of the problem of works in Romans 3 based on boasting & exclusive, self righteousness towards the Gentiles ( Romans 3:27-31). Paul adds circumcision to this in Romans 4 by Abraham who lived by faith yet was the father of circumcision ( Romans 4:11-13) because some early circumcised Christians were insisting all had to be circumcised.

Living by faith involves living by the Lord’s commandments not assuming we can keep them but trusting in Him by them ( He promises us the Holy Spirit to counsel us in this per John 14:15-18). When we depart this earthly life salvation is ( Ephesians 2:8-9) while we are here, we are living life as Paul tells us in Romans 13:1-14, per Ephesians 2:8-10). These things should happen as a living witness in some form ( Matthew 5:14-20). We are warned to take care in living by faith ( Matthew 7:15-23). What are we supposed to be otherwise in daily life, stiff boards walking around in straight jackets?

You can dress your version of the gospel any way you like, but it's still the same false "saved by works" version.

Jacob Arminius invented the "saved by works" version of the gospel and 905 of professing Christians believe his version and reject what God has said, "saved by grace" "not by works".

I know your version gives you something to boast about, because you had to finish the work of salvation, which the Lord Jesus failed to finish on the cross.

Larniavc · 2025-11-21T04:41:12-0600

It’s been a long 24 hours.

Larniavc · 2025-11-21T04:40:29-0600

Nithavela said:
I'd like at least some independent verification before I believe the stories in the OP and following post actually happened. So far I've only found a woman claiming this happened to her:

The idea that Donald "I have nothing to repent" Trump prayed with a random suicidal woman in distress while prowling the streets near brooklyn bridge is almost as funny as the idea of Trump "slipping her" a benjamin and her framing it like Scrooge McDuck.

I’ve no doubt that all these so called acts of kindness are to cover up for some malfeasance.

He gave a porn star a bunch of money. Was he just being kind?

Richard T · 2025-11-21T04:40:28-0600

Creativeguy said:
I've been struggling with this for many years despite so many prayers, reading the Bible, etc. It's a horrible, sexualized community with no substance. I try to keep to myself and not bother anyone, yet people in the homosexual world keep coming into my life causing turmoil. Please pray for me.

Praying for a breakthrough in your life on this. That you can be free from those that try to tempt you and even consider a change in location if needed. May God be with you.

ranunculus · 2025-11-21T04:37:52-0600

chevyontheriver said:
It will rapidly become apparent that Joe is an angry old man at a loss for what to say. And the 25th amendment will come in to effect. I expect it within a few months. Biden going in is older than Reagan at the end of his presidency. And he acts like it too.

A_Thinker said:
Predict the date.

We'll see how well you do ...

chevyontheriver said:
I give him four months. Six months at tops. I am willing to be surprised if it is even less.

I want to wish a happy 5th anniversary to these comments. They've aged like a fine avocado, as has this thread titled "Joe Biden Loses Cool When Asked Question". It's a recommended read if your body is low on irony.

I can only marvel at how high the collective standards for acceptable presidential behavior used to be and how low they have fallen since a couple days ago Trump told Bloomberg White House correspondent Catherine Lucey, “Quiet, quiet piggy,” as she pressed him on the Epstein Files.

Hard to believe that made him snap. It was just a softball about the recently released trove of emails in which Trump's name appears 2000 times. You know,... the emails,... from his best friend of 10 years,... the pedophile human trafficker. You probably didn't hear about it. It wasn't even remarkable enough to warrant a thread on this forum.

And it's not even been 24 hours since Trump called for 6 democrats to be put to death.

The lawmakers, many of whom are veterans, had posted a video Tuesday telling military and intelligence officers to "refuse illegal orders."

“It’s called SEDITIOUS BEHAVIOR AT THE HIGHEST LEVEL. Each one of these traitors to our Country should be ARRESTED AND PUT ON TRIAL. Their words cannot be allowed to stand — We won’t have a Country anymore!!! An example MUST BE SET,” the president wrote in one Truth Social post Thursday morning, linking to an article about the video from the Washington Examiner.

“This is really bad, and Dangerous to our Country. Their words cannot be allowed to stand. SEDITIOUS BEHAVIOR FROM TRAITORS!!! LOCK THEM UP???” Trump wrote in another post.

In a third, he wrote: "SEDITIOUS BEHAVIOR, punishable by DEATH!"

Not unusual behavior right? He then went on to "retruth" a post calling for them to be hanged. The sitting president of the United States reposted someone saying that other elected officials should be hanged. Talk about an angry old man losing his cool. And that's without even going into the MTG catfighting (which resulted in her receiving credible threats) or any of the dozen other public meltdowns of the last couple of weeks.

If we're making predictions I think we're about 2 months removed from the headline: "Trump family flees to Russia". I am willing to be surprised if it is even less. /s

Richard T · 2025-11-21T04:33:42-0600

essentialsaltes said:
Scoop: Trump plan asks Ukraine to cede additional territory for security guarantee
The new Trump plan to end the war in Ukraine would grant Russia parts of eastern Ukraine it does not currently control, in exchange for a U.S. security guarantee for Ukraine and Europeagainst future Russian aggression, a U.S. official with direct knowledge told Axios.

New Trump peace proposal for Ukraine could require land concessions and military reduction, source says
A new peace proposal for Ukraine drafted by the Trump administration could envision the country ceding the eastern Donbas region and limiting the size of its military in exchange for security guarantees from the United States, according to a Western official familiar with the ideas under discussion.

The 28-point plan, which President Donald Trump has reviewed and supports, is the White House’s latest attempt to bring Russia’s war in Ukraine to an end. Some of the proposal’s provisions — including territorial concessions in areas not currently held by Russia — have previously been nonstarters with the Ukrainians. But US officials see a new window of opportunity to restart peace discussions.

The plan is still in the framework stage, and its many points haven’t been finalized. CNN has not reviewed the proposal.

Ukraine envoy Keith Kellogg ‘quits’ after plan for US peace leaked
Donald Trump’s Ukraine envoy Lt Gen Keith Kellogg is leaving the role, it has emerged hours after a US plan to end the war leaked.

Lt Gen Kellogg, 81, is expected to step down as US special envoy in January in a departure that will deal a hammer blow to Kyiv’s diplomatic efforts to end the war on favourable terms.

The retired general has been a key advocate for Ukraine inside the Trump administration at a time when the White House’s support for Kyiv has dwindled.

I don't understand why Trump is still so cozy with Russia. If he wants to broker a deal he needs the Ukraine and EU on board. This plan is DOA, perhaps serves only as propaganda to send Ukraine what they need. Germany has pledged over 10 billion to Ukraine, so I think such a surrender is still not around the corner. Ukraine is perhaps fortunate that this deal leaked.

Christsfreeservant · 2025-11-21T04:28:27-0600

“To the church of God which is at Corinth, to those who have been sanctified in Christ Jesus, saints by calling, with all who in every place call on the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, their Lord and ours: Grace to you and peace from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.

“I thank my God always concerning you for the grace of God which was given you in Christ Jesus, that in everything you were enriched in Him, in all speech and all knowledge, even as the testimony concerning Christ was confirmed in you, so that you are not lacking in any gift, awaiting eagerly the revelation of our Lord Jesus Christ, who will also confirm you to the end, blameless in the day of our Lord Jesus Christ. God is faithful, through whom you were called into fellowship with His Son, Jesus Christ our Lord.” (1 Corinthians 1:2-9 NASB1995)

This is a picture of what it should look like if our faith in Jesus Christ is of God, and not of the flesh. For to be sanctified is to be made holy, and to be holy is to be separate (unlike, different) from the world because we are being conformed by God to the likeness of character of Jesus Christ. We are recipients of God’s grace, and God’s grace, which is bringing us salvation, is training us to renounce ungodliness and worldly passions and to live self-controlled, upright, and godly lives while we await our Lord’s return.

[see Titus 2:11-14; Romans 6:1-23; Romans 8:1-14; and Romans 12:1-2]

Now, it is important to note here that God is always faithful. He will always do what he said he would do. But if he promises judgment on certain people, and they repent, he may relent as he did with Nineveh. But we need to understand what the will of God is for our lives and what all he requires of us, because he does not promise salvation from sin and eternal life with God to all who merely profess his name, but then who go on living in sin and in disobedience to our Lord’s commands. We must be faithful to the call of God.

But does that make us perfect? No! Might we still fail in some areas? We might. Could we still sin? Yes! (1 John 2:1-2). But the Scriptures, as a whole, make it quite clear that if sin is what we practice, and not obedience to God, and if we do not repent of our sin, and if we will not obey God, that we will not have salvation from sin, and we will not inherit eternal life with God. So we cannot just make a profession of faith in Jesus Christ and then consider that God will be faithful in letting us into his heaven when we die.

Examples of the Above

“I do all things for the sake of the gospel, so that I may become a fellow partaker of it. Do you not know that those who run in a race all run, but only one receives the prize? Run in such a way that you may win. Everyone who competes in the games exercises self-control in all things. They then do it to receive a perishable wreath, but we an imperishable. Therefore I run in such a way, as not without aim; I box in such a way, as not beating the air; but I discipline my body and make it my slave, so that, after I have preached to others, I myself will not be disqualified.” (1 Corinthians 9:23-27 NASB1995)

What was Paul teaching here? He was not teaching works salvation, but he was teaching that how we live matters to God, and it matters for our salvation from sin and our eternal life with God. We cannot just make professions of faith in Jesus Christ and then go on living for the flesh, doing whatever it is that we want to do without regard for God and for his commands. Is God still faithful? Amen! But we must be faithful, too. For if we disobey our Lord, in practice, we will not have eternal life with God.

And one more chapter over, and Paul gives the example of the Israelites who wandered in the wilderness for 40 years. God was displeased with most of them, and he put most of them to death because they were practicing idolatry, drunkenness, revelry, and immorality, and they grumbled against God and they put God to the test, and they refused to repent. So, not only did they not get to go into the Promised Land, but they did not get to enter into God’s eternal rest (salvation from sin and eternal life with God).

So, please know that you cannot stop reading at 1 Corinthians 1:1-9 and assume that because you made a profession of faith in Jesus Christ that all your sins are forgiven and heaven is now guaranteed you upon death. For Jesus Christ made it clear that if anyone would come after him, he must deny self, die to sin daily, and walk in obedience to our Lord’s commands. For not all who call him Lord will enter the kingdom of heaven, but those who are obeying God’s commands (see Luke 9:23-26; Matthew 7:21-23).

[Matthew 7:13-14,21-23; Luke 9:23-26; John 10:27-30; Acts 26:18; Romans 1:18-32; Romans 2:5-10; Romans 3:23; Romans 6:1-23; Romans 8:1-14; 1 Corinthians 10:1-22; Galatians 5:16-24; Ephesians 2:8-10; Ephesians 4:17-32; Ephesians 5:3-6; Titus 2:11-14; Hebrews 3:1-19; Hebrews 4:1-13; Hebrews 10:19-39; Hebrews 12:1-2; 1 Peter 2:24; 1 John 1:1-10; 1 John 2:3-6; 1 John 3:4-10; Revelation 2:1-29; Revelation 3:1-22]

Oh, to Be Like Thee, Blessed Redeemer

Lyrics by Thomas O. Chisholm, 1897
Music by W. J. Kirkpatrick, 1897

Oh, to be like Thee! blessèd Redeemer,
This is my constant longing and prayer;
Gladly I’ll forfeit all of earth’s treasures,
Jesus, Thy perfect likeness to wear.

Oh, to be like Thee! full of compassion,
Loving, forgiving, tender and kind,
Helping the helpless, cheering the fainting,
Seeking the wandering sinner to find.

O to be like Thee! lowly in spirit,
Holy and harmless, patient and brave;
Meekly enduring cruel reproaches,
Willing to suffer others to save.

O to be like Thee! while I am pleading,
Pour out Thy Spirit, fill with Thy love;
Make me a temple meet for Thy dwelling,
Fit me for life and Heaven above.

Oh, to be like Thee! Oh, to be like Thee,
Blessèd Redeemer, pure as Thou art;
Come in Thy sweetness, come in Thy fullness;
Stamp Thine own image deep on my heart.

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BelieveItOarKnot · 2025-11-21T04:27:45-0600

Brother Del said:
The Lord Jesus Christ felt so strongly about this place that "doesn't exist", that He suggested the cutting off and plucking out of body parts, if that's what it took to keep you from going there.

And while in the process of encouraging self mutilation, He said not a single word about
"annihilation". But rather, repeated three separate times "where the worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched"

I would suggest that gouging out ones physical eye was NOT what Jesus was referring to.

Here is said to be gouged eye, and good luck gouging what you can't "see."

Mark 7:21-23
For from within, out of the heart of men, proceed evil thoughts, adulteries, fornications, murders,
Thefts, covetousness, wickedness, deceit, lasciviousness, an evil eye, blasphemy, pride, foolishness:
All these evil things come from within, and defile the man.

I'm sure you heard the one about the believer who gouged out his physical right eye and quickly found out he was a left eye luster. Oops. Guess he didn't see the picture.

Details details, gotta read the fine print and it is so fine.

Brother Del said:
I don't mean to be unkind. I love you all, and with all the love of Christ within me. And it is because of that love that I humbly say to you. You better give heed to His words. You better stop arguing amongst yourselves and hear the words of the Master Himself. He created Hell, do you think He might just have some kind of an idea what He's talking about?

Some very small percentage of believers who believe ALL people will be saved actually DO BELIEVE there is an eternal hell/Lake of Fire also....

Here's the kicker:

FOR THE DEVIL AND HIS MESSENGERS

Not our neighbors

And where did Jesus show us all the location of devils is you ask?

Why, that answer should be totally obvious to a seeing internal eye: The tempter tempts within our MINDS

Now, where is that knife? Better yet, the flaming sWord will do just fine

Strong in Him · 2025-11-21T04:25:29-0600

Apple Sky said:
I wanted it to seem that I was happy but really I was so annoyed & what better way is there to make him think he'd done me a favour.
No I haven' seen his reply.

I can understand the sentiment but I'm afraid it didn't work. He thought your comment was gross.

Honestly, there's nothing wrong with saying, "this is a deeply held belief of mine, and I don't appreciate you mocking it."
And while we're on the subject, I'm sorry if I've done that to you.
I don't, honestly, feel that your belief makes any sense and some of your arguments ARE contradictory. But even so mocking you, as a person, is not right.

I'm going to leave this thread now.
Honestly, I think it's all been said; all arguments repeated, disproved, done to death etc.
This is not a debate, it's become a "yes it does"/"no it doesn't" argument, and the bottom line is that it has nothing to do with salvation or our Christian lives.

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