Hentenza said:

So we are choosy then and only fulfill the commandments that we want to fulfill?

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Christ himself is our sabbath - therefore we fulfil the 4th commandment in our Sunday celebration of new creation.

Apple Sky said:

It can't be else we wouldn't get images like this;

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Why?

Colo Millz said:

Jesus didn’t abolish the Law — he transformed it from an external code into an interior grace.

Galatians 6:2

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All 613 commandments of the law? You sure?

Hentenza said:

The 10 commandments, except for the 4th commandment, are summarized in Jesus two commandments. The Christian follows Jesus two commandments. My argument.

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So we're required to follow a summary but not what it summarizes.

Or something.

fhansen said:

No, we fulfill the Sabbath requirement, that obligation to God, on the Lord's Day as Christians always have. That's a way in which the Spirit of the law is still fulfilled-and can't be used to, for example, now condone murder since the Law forbids it.

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So we are choosy then and only fulfill the commandments that we want to fulfill?

ralliann said:

???? Oh, conservatives take that as a cue to violence, sure

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Not my point. The "fight" takes place in the voting booth.

fhansen said:

The law is no longer our master, God is; that's the differnce between the old and new covenants! He fulfills the law in us; He 'puts it in our minds and writes it on our hearts'.

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Think carefully. Is the law He puts in our minds the whole of the Jewish law?

Desk trauma said:

If wages are not attracting enough workers, raise them until they do.

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I don't think it's the wages, it's the type of work.
Moreover given slavery and various immigrants the US brought in to do that work, the only time Americans really did that kind of work was during The Great Depression and the Dust Bowl.
Moreover given today, kind of hard to raise wages in this environment of tariff induced cost increases.

Colo Millz said:

Your argument is as follows:

Jesus "fulfilled the law" (Greek plēroō) so there are no more requirements of any "Jewish law" on us.

Um - what about the ten commandments?

STRAWMAN!

I'm sure you're just going to reply to this with "nope" or something like that.

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The 10 commandments, except for the 4th commandment, are summarized in Jesus two commandments. The Christian follows Jesus two commandments. My argument.

Desk trauma said:

The problem is the US drug war.

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ah so their own governments taking their wealth has nothing to do with this. Gotcha!!

ThatRobGuy said:

I'm inclined to think the same way as the OP, in that the passing time will do that as well.

Many of the past presidents revered to this day would be considered terrible people by modern standards.

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Okay, if we are looking at that timeframe, then anything is possible I was more thinking about the mid-term, like 10-30 years. You know, something we might actually live to experience.

Apple Sky said:

It can't be else we wouldn't get images like this;

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It is.
There's something wrong with your reasoning.

Say it aint so said:

Then fight vote to fix it. Yes.

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???? Oh, conservatives take that as a cue to violence, sure

Hans Blaster said:

No. I'm just sick of your "centrist" apologetics for the far right.

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Define "far right." Anyone who disagrees with a liberal?

So ends Starship V2 with Starship 11. I don't believe the V3 will fly until next year.

Desk trauma said:

No idea, you said it.

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because you made the problem of these people the U.S., NOT THEIR OWN GOVERNMENT.

ralliann said:

Then fight to fix it.

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Then fight vote to fix it. Yes.

Say it aint so said:

We have labor shortages in those fields of work where those other than US citizens fill the void. It's not about cheap labor, it's about labor period. There were farmers offering deceit wages, free dwelling and 401k plans and still couldn't get Americans to work. And yes, we are in need of legal migration in this country. We still have labor shortages. No one disputes that.

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Then fight to fix it.

Xeno.of.athens said:

do you believe that God cares about how you worship him?

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Yes.

ralliann said:

What do you desire? This cheap labor, or citizens? We have a waiting list for immigrants as it is. We are not in need of legal immigration in this country. Guest workers does not make for a slave class. These go back home with pretty good money in their pocket.

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We have labor shortages in those fields of work where those other than US citizens fill the void. It's not about cheap labor, it's about labor period. There were farmers offering deceit wages, free dwelling and 401k plans and still couldn't get Americans to work. And yes, we are in need of legal migration in this country. We still have labor shortages. No one disputes that.

I am thinking of the Lion the Witch and the Wardrobe:

After Aslan’s death and resurrection, he meets the Pevensie children again. Lewis writes:

“Aslan and Edmund walked together in the dewy grass, talking. But no one ever heard what Aslan was saying, and no one ever heard what Edmund said either.”

The conversation is deliberately left private.

But Edmund is completely changed - he is humble, brave, and loyal.

When the battle comes, he risks his life to save others (breaking the Witch’s wand).

Later, Aslan tells the others simply,

“Here is your brother ... and there is no need to talk to him about what is past.”

Now, what we are essentially doing is taking private bets between us as to what Aslan said to Edmund.

But my own particular bet is that Aslan does not say - "Ok Edmund, I sacrificed myself to save you from the Ice Queen, now you're completely free from all moral requirements whatsoever, do whatever you want and SIN BOLDLY!"

ViaCrucis said:

America isn't mentioned in Scripture,

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That seems to bother a lot of folks. After all, we're the A Number 1!

JohnB445 said:

Which sin would be worse than murder

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If this is the first and greatest commandment, wouldn't it follow that breaking it would be the first and greatest sin?

Desk trauma said:

Not something I said.

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Then why bring it up? The governments these people live in control the wealth. Their cartels control businesses as well. A real problem in the avocado business. Dealing with this corruption is another way to deal with this situation.

Platte said:

My point would be there is an unreasonable jump from any evidence to a Macro evolution conclusion

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I don't think the creationists here fully appreciate how, after seeing your above opinion, the reaction from just about every scientist would be something like "So?" Kind of the same reaction you'd get after showing geographers some of the flat earth threads in here.

Of course the reality is 99.99% of scientists will never even know about your opinion in the first place. I guess I'm mostly wondering if you think your opinions on this matter are noteworthy?