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TRUMP "MISSED THE DEADLINE" TO CALL OFF TX GERRYMANDERING; CALIFORNIA WILL NOW DRAW NEW, MORE “BEAUTIFUL MAPS”

Enhanced ACA premium tax credits were introduced during COVID in 2021, and those credits are set to expire on December 31, 2025. Democrats say they won't sign anything that doesn't include an extension of the credits and Republicans say they won't entertain extending the credits until the government shutdown is over. So, here we sit, waiting to see which side blinks first as they both attempt to leverage people's suffering for their own political gain.
So Republicans won't extend the credit and don't want Americans to save that money and spend it on food and such?
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TRUMP "MISSED THE DEADLINE" TO CALL OFF TX GERRYMANDERING; CALIFORNIA WILL NOW DRAW NEW, MORE “BEAUTIFUL MAPS”

Republicans, including ‘cowardly’ Schwarzenegger, take heat for lopsided loss on Prop. 50

Former House Speaker Kevin McCarthy of Bakersfield, the once-prodigious Republican fundraiser, reportedly had vowed that he could raise $100 million for the opposition but ended up delivering a small fraction of that amount.

Assemblyman Carl DeMaio (R-San Diego), a conservative firebrand, called on state GOP Chair Corrin Rankin to step down and faulted other Republican leaders and longtime party operatives for their failure to defeat the measure, calling them “derelict of duty and untrustworthy and incompetent.”

“Unless serious changes are made at the party, the midterms are going to be a complete disaster,” DeMaio said, also faulting the other groups opposing the effort.

[As for the Ah-nold thing, he was the face of a lot of the anti-50 ads that ran. His spox points the finger at the Republican message that couldn't admit that redistricting Texas was wrong.]

“We were clear from the beginning that he was not going to be a part of the campaign and was going to speak his mind,” said Daniel Ketchell, a spokesman for the former governor. “His message was very clear and nonpartisan. When one campaign couldn’t even criticize gerrymandering in Texas, it was probably hard for voters to believe they actually cared about fairness.”

On election day, he emailed followers about gut health, electrolytes, protein bars, fitness and conversations to increase happiness. There was no apparent mention of the Tuesday election.
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What would have happened to Adam and Eve and Cain after death?

There's this idea that before Jesus, everyone - saved or unsaved- went to Hades, basically you'd just rot forever, 'saved or not'. After Jesus' death & resurrection, those who were righteous, their spirits went to heaven.
I do not know what to think about that.
The emphasis is usually a lot in the Old Testament are saved. We do know that. Hebrews describes a great cloud of witnesses who are examples of the faith, including OT prophets. Abel is mentioned, not Cain. Adam is not mentioned, but few Christians will doubt Adam wasn't saved. Moses & Elijah also appear at the Transfiguration.
(I wonder if their appearance at the Transfiguration dismisses the Hades idea???)
Every one in the OT was saved by the grace of God through faith just like in the NT. Example is Abraham. So if all three had faith then they are saved. God will know that not us.
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In the West Bank’s last Christian village, faith, fear and an uncertain future

That's really too much to go into, but many Protestants after the Reformation gradually stripped a lot of the ancient ways. They don't like our "bells and whistles"- the clergy wearing fancy robes, the incense, the candles, etc. Plus some interpretations of certain scriptures, but it's a lot to talk about.
Sounds like the same reasons certain Christians look askance at Catholics.
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the "blue wave" last night and the government shutdown

'Even if corporate tax rates were raised from 21% to 60% or the top 5% individual income tax bracket increased from 37% to 70%, these measures would not be sufficient to fully fund universal health care annually.'

If we replace "or" with "and" these measures are sufficient.
that is exactly my point in post #75
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In the West Bank’s last Christian village, faith, fear and an uncertain future

Why would people think youre all not real Christians?
That's really too much to go into, but many Protestants after the Reformation gradually stripped a lot of the ancient ways. They don't like our "bells and whistles"- the clergy wearing fancy robes, the incense, the candles, etc. Plus some interpretations of certain scriptures, but it's a lot to talk about.
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Are professed Christians that worship our Lord on Sunday instead of Saturday sinning?

Sin is transgression of the law, even if we choose not to believe it.
So you doubt the Spirit in favor of the law? Good luck with that.

““You men who are stiff-necked and uncircumcised in heart and ears are always resisting the Holy Spirit; you are doing just as your fathers did. Which one of the prophets did your fathers not persecute? They killed those who had previously announced the coming of the Righteous One, and you have now become betrayers and murderers of Him; you who received the Law as ordained by angels, and yet did not keep it.””
‭‭Acts‬ ‭7‬:‭51‬-‭53‬ ‭NASB2020‬‬
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ICE officers to attend Super Bowl after Bad Bunny halftime headliner announcement, Lewandowski says

Which group would Bad Bunny be trying to identify with? From all accounts I've read, he's straight (and to my knowledge, doesn't practice "the dark arts" so to speak)

So dressing up as a woman with a bondage fetish collar, chained to demons for a music video, would be things that just generally interest him?


If it is his sincere general interest, then the labelling of "sexual and demonic" that pundits have tossed out should be viewed as a fair labelling of the situation.

If it's not his sincere interest, then the shock value label I tossed out there would be apropos.
In this case youre just guessing, unless you have some actual insight into his motives. But I think you would have said so.
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Trump warns Mamdani: No federal funds for a ‘communist’ mayor

Key Trump ally jumps into New York governor's race days after shocking Mamdani mayoral victory

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Does Regeneration Precede Faith?

Even at the cost of misrepresenting the word of God? I mean what’s more important here, teaching sound theology or defending a theology that contradicts scripture?
Yes, you are right. They shouldn't but they do.
I had to make that choice a long time ago and I ended up reevaluating my entire theology.
I had a simmilar experience with legalism. It was a tough slog to overcome it, and the process shook me to the core, but God was faithful and led me through it. Looking back, I wouldn't trade it for anything.
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The 2025 Government Shutdown Thread

More than 1,000 flights cancelled as airport chaos begins: ‘People are just fed up’

Leslie Nash of Long Beach waited as long as she could before calling off her 60th-birthday trip to Hawaii with her sisters; she was forced to cancel Thursday or risk losing refunds for her hotel room and rental car.

“It’s a total first-world problem on my end,” she said. “I can always reschedule, but it just sucks.”

Faced with the government shutdown, the immigration raids in Southern California, the general polarization of American politics and now the travel setbacks, “people are just fed up,” Nash said. “Can we have any joy?”

Sorry, Elon Musk promised us all "temporary hardships".
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The Mandami effect

Can you guys at least make up your minds and pick if it’s communism or Islamism he’s supposed to be instituting when he gets into office? It’s hard to tell which one you guys are more irrationally scared of happening in a city, I’m pretty sure the right had been railing against for years now well before Mamdani came onto the scene.
Islamism. Look at Iran. The Muslims were best buds and allies with the Communists, then when they gained power, the Muslims killed the Communists.
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In the West Bank’s last Christian village, faith, fear and an uncertain future

If they're the drivers of MAGA it's just because there's more of them. In 2015 I intentionally talked politics with Arab immigrants at coffee hours after church, asking who people were planning on voting for. Two younger Arabs liked Rand Paul and Fiorina, but every older Arab was voting for Trump. No one was voting for a Democrat. My deacon from Syria voted for him and joked "If you don't see me after January, I didn't run off. You'll know I got deported".

I'm aware that some don't think we're real Christians, but I think those folks are a minority. Over the last five years we didn't have a church, and an SDA and then a Methodist church graciously let us borrow their space to have our services. (The SDA church worked out nice since, as I'm sure you know, they meet on Saturdays. :) )
Why would people think youre all not real Christians?
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What would have happened to Adam and Eve and Cain after death?

few Christians will doubt Adam wasn't saved

Just for clarity, because I'm not sure how all the negatives in this phrase cancel out: Are you saying that most Christians think Adam was saved, or most Christians think Adam was not saved?
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Harvard conservative magazine is suspended by its own board after publishing article laced with Nazi rhetoric

No, in France.
Thanks for the clarification. It turns out that the suspect, Jean Guillot, 35, a local fisherman who grew up in the Dordogne, has addiction and mental issues, and despite yelling "Allahu Akbar," neither his religion nor terrorism appears to have been a motive.


The man in his thirties claims to have recently become radicalized. These statements should be taken with a grain of salt, as his remarks to investigators are, to say the least, confused.

"He is known for his numerous transgressions, notably due to his regular drug and alcohol use,"

He had been "hearing strange noises in his head for some time" and expressed a "desire to be hospitalized." Earlier, Jean G. confessed to the acts and explained that he had "followed the orders of Allah," who had entrusted him with a mission and demanded a "sacrifice." These elements support the theory of mental health issues as the cause of the suspect's impaired judgment.

He doesn't, however, speak of killing infidels. Investigators are struggling to understand his logic. His statements are confused and at times bizarre.

Jean G., told investigators during his police custody that he had converted to Islam in recent weeks. This appears to be a case of self-radicalization, seemingly without any contact with the Iraqi-Syrian region or any radical imam.

He believes, according to the same source, that Islam gives meaning to his life, a life made up of alcohol consumption, cannabis and violence.

"Religious writings, of the Muslim faith, were found in his caravan," he continued, adding that there was nevertheless "no jihadist dimension" to his actions.

The subject wanted to be baptized.

Jean G. contacted the parish of Oléron this summer to begin the process of being baptized, TF1-LCI newsrooms learned from the parish, confirming information from Sud Ouest. The first meetings were scheduled to begin at the end of November.

Jean G. "has spiraled out of control in the last two years due to drugs and alcohol."

This witness does not understand why his former friend shouted "Allah Akbar" yesterday because according to him, Jean G. "often spoke about the church, and went to mass every Sunday for the past four months".




Huntingdon is very close to me and I used to travel there for work, but no, we don't know the motive yet.
The suspect in this case was Anthony Williams, a British national born in the UK. Both terrorism and religion have been ruled out as a motive.

Despite the severity of the incident, police have concluded there is no evidence that the train stabbings were motivated by ideology or politics.



However last week there was an Afghan asylum seeker that murdered someone walking there dog, stabbed a 14-year-old and injured someone else, which is one of many recent instances of people from those backgrounds proving they shouldn't be allowed here.
This appears to have been some sort of domestic dispute between the man and his landlord.

Safi Dawood is charged with murdering Wayne Broadhurst, as well as attempting to murder his landlord Shahzad Farrukh, 45, and a 14-year-old boy, in relation to the incident in Midhurst Gardens in Uxbridge on Monday 27 October, a hearing at Westminster Magistrates’ Court heard.

Dawood allegedly contacted his landlord on WhatsApp and asked him to come to his room, where Mr Farrukh found the defendant with a large knife.

Mr Farrukh eventually managed to run out of the house and seek assistance from neighbours.

Dawood allegedly approached one of the witnesses with a knife in his hand and was standing in her garden while members of her family sought to help Mr Farrukh and the 14-year-old boy, who had suffered minor injuries to his hands.

One of the neighbours swung her walking stick at Dawoo,d which caused him to back off,


You said that this is "one of many recent instances of people from those backgrounds proving they shouldn't be allowed here," but there doesn't appear to be any evidence that refugees and asylum seekers are committing homicides at a higher rate in Europe than native-born citizens.
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The goal of Christianity in 'Not' to stop sinning!

Yes, you are missing something, the description is for people who are not doing the truth, so if anyone is of the truth they do it, not talk about them...
No, that's not right. It doesn't say that nobody who walks in the Spirit ever indulges the lusts of the flesh.
James 1:18 Of his own will begat he us with the word of truth, that we should be a kind of firstfruits of his creatures.
19 Wherefore, my beloved brethren, let every man be swift to hear, slow to speak, slow to wrath:
20 For the wrath of man worketh not the righteousness of God.
21 Wherefore lay apart all filthiness and superfluity of naughtiness, and receive with meekness the engrafted word, which is able to save your souls.
22 But be ye doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving your own selves.
23 For if any be a hearer of the word, and not a doer, he is like unto a man beholding his natural face in a glass:
24 For he beholdeth himself, and goeth his way, and straightway forgetteth what manner of man he was.
25 But whoso looketh into the perfect law of liberty, and continueth therein, he being not a forgetful hearer, but a doer of the work, this man shall be blessed in his deed.
26 If any man among you seem to be religious, and bridleth not his tongue, but deceiveth his own heart, this man's religion is vain.
27 Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the world.

Your name seems to suggest you like to show the name of CHRIST.

NewLifeInChristJesus


Matthew 24:24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
I do not promote myself as Christ Jesus but rather points to Him as the giver and sustainer of life. From another thread:
Do you mean in your brain, that the doctrine of godliness cannot be allowed.
It is obvious that these remarks do not come from walking in the Spirit since they are the results of indulging of the flesh.

19 Now the works of the flesh are evident, which are: adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lewdness, 20 idolatry, sorcery, hatred, contentions, jealousies, outbursts of wrath, selfish ambitions, dissensions, heresies, 21 envy, murders, drunkenness, revelries, and the like (Ga 5:19–21)​
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Are professed Christians that worship our Lord on Sunday instead of Saturday sinning?

The Jerusalem Council (Acts 15) ruled that Gentiles do not have to convert to Judaism to become Christians, and Paul's letters are consistent with this ruling.

What is Judaism? You imply in this post that the Pharisees were "Judaizers". The Jesus "of the Bible", the Law and Prophets and Paul himself teaches us that the Pharisees "Full well rejected the Commandments of God", that they might live by and promote their own religious traditions. Jesus said of them;

Matt. 5: 7 Ye hypocrites, well did Esaias prophesy of you, saying, 8 This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me. 9 But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments "of men". (Not God as is widely promoted by the mainstream preachers of our time)

Paul said of the Pharisees that they, "being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about "to establish their own righteousness", have "not submitted themselves" unto the righteousness of God.

Paul taught Jew and Gentile;

Rom. 6: 12 Let not sin (transgression of the law) therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof. 13 Neither yield ye your members as instruments of unrighteousness unto sin: but "yield yourselves" unto God, as those that are alive from the dead, and your members "as instruments of righteousness unto God".

Jesus said of the Pharisees that they claimed to trust Moses, and that they received God's " holy, and just, and good" Laws from Moses, but they refused to keep them. He said they "Say they keep them", but do not.

He said of them:

Matt. 23: 4 For they (Pharisees, not God) bind heavy burdens and grievous to be borne, and "lay them on men's shoulders"; but they themselves will not move them with one of their fingers.

So then, a "Judaizer", if the Pharisees were "Judaizers" as you imply, and I agree with with you that they were, is a religious man or group who "professed to know God", or as Jesus Himself said of the future, "Call Jesus Lord, Lord, but rejects God's Judgments and Commandments, choosing instead to live by and push onto the backs of men, their own man-made Judgments and Commandments and Traditions.

I agree that in Acts 15, the Disciples truly worked to keep the new converts away from the mainstream preachers of that time, and away from the doctrines, philosophies and traditions of the Pharisees, or as you call them, "Judaizers". This is evident in Peter's rebuke of them.

Acts 15: 10 Now therefore why tempt ye God, to "put a yoke upon the neck of the disciples", (Matt. 23:4) which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear?

Instead, here is what the Disciples taught the Gentile converts to abstain from right then.

18 Known unto God are all his works from the beginning of the world.

19 Wherefore my sentence is, that we trouble not them, which from among the Gentiles "are turned to God"

20 But that we write unto them, that they abstain from pollutions of idols, (Law of Moses) and from fornication, (Law of Moses) and from things strangled, (Law of Moses) and from blood. (Law of Moses)

And these Gentiles would learn more about the Gospel many of the Israelites were given in the wilderness, but rejected, by hearing the Word's Jesus said to "Live by".

21 For Moses of old time hath in every city them that preach him, being read in the synagogues every sabbath day.

So I certainly agree with you that the Disciples in Acts 15, turned the Gentile Converts away from the doctrines, traditions and judgments of the Mainstream religions of the world in their time, that you call "Judaism", and steered them to Moses instead, as Jesus Himself did for the multitudes and His Disciples in Matt. 23:1-3.

And another note; as Prophesied, God has delivered HIS Oracles into the homes of anyone who wants to truly know Him and His Son. We no longer are required to go to a man-made shrine of worship, and be taught of men what the Word of God says. We have them in our own home, in our own mind. We now sit, in Moses Seat.

All we need is belief in this God's Words, like Abraham. And Jesus makes this possible by wiping our slate clean. Now we can turn away from this world's religions, their man-made high days, Judgments, commandments, traditions and philosophies, and "Yield ourselves" to God and yield our bodies "as instruments of righteousness" unto God.
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