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rambot · 2025-11-07T08:58:09-0600

Deniers don't listen to anyone until they say the same things they think.

It's hard to take a person seriously when they do that. Even moreso when they misunderstand/misrepresent the person.

FAITH-IN-HIM · 2025-11-07T08:55:50-0600

essentialsaltes said:
'Even if corporate tax rates were raised from 21% to 60% or the top 5% individual income tax bracket increased from 37% to 70%, these measures would not be sufficient to fully fund universal health care annually.'

If we replace "or" with "and" these measures are sufficient.

that is exactly my point in post #75

Chesterton · 2025-11-07T08:55:04-0600

durangodawood said:
Why would people think youre all not real Christians?

That's really too much to go into, but many Protestants after the Reformation gradually stripped a lot of the ancient ways. They don't like our "bells and whistles"- the clergy wearing fancy robes, the incense, the candles, etc. Plus some interpretations of certain scriptures, but it's a lot to talk about.

Hentenza · 2025-11-07T08:53:30-0600

SabbathBlessings said:
Sin is transgression of the law, even if we choose not to believe it.

So you doubt the Spirit in favor of the law? Good luck with that.

““You men who are stiff-necked and uncircumcised in heart and ears are always resisting the Holy Spirit; you are doing just as your fathers did. Which one of the prophets did your fathers not persecute? They killed those who had previously announced the coming of the Righteous One, and you have now become betrayers and murderers of Him; you who received the Law as ordained by angels, and yet did not keep it.””
‭‭Acts‬ ‭7‬:‭51‬-‭53‬ ‭NASB2020‬‬

Acts 7:51-53 “You men who are stiff-necked and uncircumcised in heart and ears are always resisting the Holy Spirit; you are doing just as your fathers did. Which one of the prophets did your fathers not persecute | New American Standard Bible - NASB

“You men who are stiff-necked and uncircumcised in heart and ears are always resisting the Holy Spirit; you are doing just as your fathers did. Which one of the prophets did your fathers not persecute

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durangodawood · 2025-11-07T08:53:04-0600

ThatRobGuy said:
Which group would Bad Bunny be trying to identify with? From all accounts I've read, he's straight (and to my knowledge, doesn't practice "the dark arts" so to speak)

So dressing up as a woman with a bondage fetish collar, chained to demons for a music video, would be things that just generally interest him?

If it is his sincere general interest, then the labelling of "sexual and demonic" that pundits have tossed out should be viewed as a fair labelling of the situation.

If it's not his sincere interest, then the shock value label I tossed out there would be apropos.

In this case youre just guessing, unless you have some actual insight into his motives. But I think you would have said so.

Danthemailman · 2025-11-07T08:52:07-0600

Key Trump ally jumps into New York governor's race days after shocking Mamdani mayoral victory

Key Trump ally jumps into New York governor's race days after shocking Mamdani mayoral victory

Rep. Elise Stefanik to announce 2026 New York governor campaign, challenging Democrat Kathy Hochul in Trump-backed Republican bid for the state's top office.

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Chesterton · 2025-11-07T08:50:45-0600

GoldenBoy89 said:
Can’t wait to hear the Islamic call to prayer blasting through Times Square.

That's what happens in the U.K. People who would rather be sleeping get woken up at 5:00 a.m. for the first of 5 calls.

NewLifeInChristJesus · 2025-11-07T08:50:04-0600

BNR32FAN said:
Even at the cost of misrepresenting the word of God? I mean what’s more important here, teaching sound theology or defending a theology that contradicts scripture?

Yes, you are right. They shouldn't but they do.

BNR32FAN said:
I had to make that choice a long time ago and I ended up reevaluating my entire theology.

I had a simmilar experience with legalism. It was a tough slog to overcome it, and the process shook me to the core, but God was faithful and led me through it. Looking back, I wouldn't trade it for anything.

essentialsaltes · 2025-11-07T08:49:39-0600

More than 1,000 flights cancelled as airport chaos begins: ‘People are just fed up’

Leslie Nash of Long Beach waited as long as she could before calling off her 60th-birthday trip to Hawaii with her sisters; she was forced to cancel Thursday or risk losing refunds for her hotel room and rental car.

“It’s a total first-world problem on my end,” she said. “I can always reschedule, but it just sucks.”

Faced with the government shutdown, the immigration raids in Southern California, the general polarization of American politics and now the travel setbacks, “people are just fed up,” Nash said. “Can we have any joy?”

Sorry, Elon Musk promised us all "temporary hardships".

Chesterton · 2025-11-07T08:48:59-0600

GoldenBoy89 said:
Can you guys at least make up your minds and pick if it’s communism or Islamism he’s supposed to be instituting when he gets into office? It’s hard to tell which one you guys are more irrationally scared of happening in a city, I’m pretty sure the right had been railing against for years now well before Mamdani came onto the scene.

Islamism. Look at Iran. The Muslims were best buds and allies with the Communists, then when they gained power, the Muslims killed the Communists.

durangodawood · 2025-11-07T08:47:28-0600

Chesterton said:
If they're the drivers of MAGA it's just because there's more of them. In 2015 I intentionally talked politics with Arab immigrants at coffee hours after church, asking who people were planning on voting for. Two younger Arabs liked Rand Paul and Fiorina, but every older Arab was voting for Trump. No one was voting for a Democrat. My deacon from Syria voted for him and joked "If you don't see me after January, I didn't run off. You'll know I got deported".

I'm aware that some don't think we're real Christians, but I think those folks are a minority. Over the last five years we didn't have a church, and an SDA and then a Methodist church graciously let us borrow their space to have our services. (The SDA church worked out nice since, as I'm sure you know, they meet on Saturdays. )

Why would people think youre all not real Christians?

PloverWing · 2025-11-07T08:45:22-0600

DragonFox91 said:
few Christians will doubt Adam wasn't saved

Just for clarity, because I'm not sure how all the negatives in this phrase cancel out: Are you saying that most Christians think Adam was saved, or most Christians think Adam was not saved?

JosephZ · 2025-11-07T08:43:41-0600

High Fidelity said:
No, in France.

Thanks for the clarification. It turns out that the suspect, Jean Guillot, 35, a local fisherman who grew up in the Dordogne, has addiction and mental issues, and despite yelling "Allahu Akbar," neither his religion nor terrorism appears to have been a motive.

The man in his thirties claims to have recently become radicalized. These statements should be taken with a grain of salt, as his remarks to investigators are, to say the least, confused.

"He is known for his numerous transgressions, notably due to his regular drug and alcohol use,"

He had been "hearing strange noises in his head for some time" and expressed a "desire to be hospitalized." Earlier, Jean G. confessed to the acts and explained that he had "followed the orders of Allah," who had entrusted him with a mission and demanded a "sacrifice." These elements support the theory of mental health issues as the cause of the suspect's impaired judgment.

He doesn't, however, speak of killing infidels. Investigators are struggling to understand his logic. His statements are confused and at times bizarre.

Jean G., told investigators during his police custody that he had converted to Islam in recent weeks. This appears to be a case of self-radicalization, seemingly without any contact with the Iraqi-Syrian region or any radical imam.

He believes, according to the same source, that Islam gives meaning to his life, a life made up of alcohol consumption, cannabis and violence.

"Religious writings, of the Muslim faith, were found in his caravan," he continued, adding that there was nevertheless "no jihadist dimension" to his actions.

The subject wanted to be baptized.

Jean G. contacted the parish of Oléron this summer to begin the process of being baptized, TF1-LCI newsrooms learned from the parish, confirming information from Sud Ouest. The first meetings were scheduled to begin at the end of November.

Jean G. "has spiraled out of control in the last two years due to drugs and alcohol."

This witness does not understand why his former friend shouted "Allah Akbar" yesterday because according to him, Jean G. "often spoke about the church, and went to mass every Sunday for the past four months".

High Fidelity said:
Huntingdon is very close to me and I used to travel there for work, but no, we don't know the motive yet.

The suspect in this case was Anthony Williams, a British national born in the UK. Both terrorism and religion have been ruled out as a motive.

Despite the severity of the incident, police have concluded there is no evidence that the train stabbings were motivated by ideology or politics.

High Fidelity said:
However last week there was an Afghan asylum seeker that murdered someone walking there dog, stabbed a 14-year-old and injured someone else, which is one of many recent instances of people from those backgrounds proving they shouldn't be allowed here.

This appears to have been some sort of domestic dispute between the man and his landlord.

Safi Dawood is charged with murdering Wayne Broadhurst, as well as attempting to murder his landlord Shahzad Farrukh, 45, and a 14-year-old boy, in relation to the incident in Midhurst Gardens in Uxbridge on Monday 27 October, a hearing at Westminster Magistrates’ Court heard.

Dawood allegedly contacted his landlord on WhatsApp and asked him to come to his room, where Mr Farrukh found the defendant with a large knife.

Mr Farrukh eventually managed to run out of the house and seek assistance from neighbours.

Dawood allegedly approached one of the witnesses with a knife in his hand and was standing in her garden while members of her family sought to help Mr Farrukh and the 14-year-old boy, who had suffered minor injuries to his hands.

One of the neighbours swung her walking stick at Dawoo,d which caused him to back off,

You said that this is "one of many recent instances of people from those backgrounds proving they shouldn't be allowed here," but there doesn't appear to be any evidence that refugees and asylum seekers are committing homicides at a higher rate in Europe than native-born citizens.

NewLifeInChristJesus · 2025-11-07T08:42:50-0600

Abraham1st said:
Yes, you are missing something, the description is for people who are not doing the truth, so if anyone is of the truth they do it, not talk about them...

No, that's not right. It doesn't say that nobody who walks in the Spirit ever indulges the lusts of the flesh.

Abraham1st said:
James 1:18 Of his own will begat he us with the word of truth, that we should be a kind of firstfruits of his creatures.
19 Wherefore, my beloved brethren, let every man be swift to hear, slow to speak, slow to wrath:
20 For the wrath of man worketh not the righteousness of God.
21 Wherefore lay apart all filthiness and superfluity of naughtiness, and receive with meekness the engrafted word, which is able to save your souls.
22 But be ye doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving your own selves.
23 For if any be a hearer of the word, and not a doer, he is like unto a man beholding his natural face in a glass:
24 For he beholdeth himself, and goeth his way, and straightway forgetteth what manner of man he was.
25 But whoso looketh into the perfect law of liberty, and continueth therein, he being not a forgetful hearer, but a doer of the work, this man shall be blessed in his deed.
26 If any man among you seem to be religious, and bridleth not his tongue, but deceiveth his own heart, this man's religion is vain.
27 Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the world.

Your name seems to suggest you like to show the name of CHRIST.

NewLifeInChristJesus

Matthew 24:24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.

I do not promote myself as Christ Jesus but rather points to Him as the giver and sustainer of life. From another thread:

Abraham1st said:
Do you mean in your brain, that the doctrine of godliness cannot be allowed.

It is obvious that these remarks do not come from walking in the Spirit since they are the results of indulging of the flesh.

19 Now the works of the flesh are evident, which are: adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lewdness, 20 idolatry, sorcery, hatred, contentions, jealousies, outbursts of wrath, selfish ambitions, dissensions, heresies, 21 envy, murders, drunkenness, revelries, and the like (Ga 5:19–21)

Studyman · 2025-11-07T08:40:49-0600

PloverWing said:
The Jerusalem Council (Acts 15) ruled that Gentiles do not have to convert to Judaism to become Christians, and Paul's letters are consistent with this ruling.

What is Judaism? You imply in this post that the Pharisees were "Judaizers". The Jesus "of the Bible", the Law and Prophets and Paul himself teaches us that the Pharisees "Full well rejected the Commandments of God", that they might live by and promote their own religious traditions. Jesus said of them;

Matt. 5: 7 Ye hypocrites, well did Esaias prophesy of you, saying, 8 This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me. 9 But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments "of men". (Not God as is widely promoted by the mainstream preachers of our time)

Paul said of the Pharisees that they, "being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about "to establish their own righteousness", have "not submitted themselves" unto the righteousness of God.

Paul taught Jew and Gentile;

Rom. 6: 12 Let not sin (transgression of the law) therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof. 13 Neither yield ye your members as instruments of unrighteousness unto sin: but "yield yourselves" unto God, as those that are alive from the dead, and your members "as instruments of righteousness unto God".

Jesus said of the Pharisees that they claimed to trust Moses, and that they received God's " holy, and just, and good" Laws from Moses, but they refused to keep them. He said they "Say they keep them", but do not.

He said of them:

Matt. 23: 4 For they (Pharisees, not God) bind heavy burdens and grievous to be borne, and "lay them on men's shoulders"; but they themselves will not move them with one of their fingers.

So then, a "Judaizer", if the Pharisees were "Judaizers" as you imply, and I agree with with you that they were, is a religious man or group who "professed to know God", or as Jesus Himself said of the future, "Call Jesus Lord, Lord, but rejects God's Judgments and Commandments, choosing instead to live by and push onto the backs of men, their own man-made Judgments and Commandments and Traditions.

I agree that in Acts 15, the Disciples truly worked to keep the new converts away from the mainstream preachers of that time, and away from the doctrines, philosophies and traditions of the Pharisees, or as you call them, "Judaizers". This is evident in Peter's rebuke of them.

Acts 15: 10 Now therefore why tempt ye God, to "put a yoke upon the neck of the disciples", (Matt. 23:4) which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear?

Instead, here is what the Disciples taught the Gentile converts to abstain from right then.

18 Known unto God are all his works from the beginning of the world.

19 Wherefore my sentence is, that we trouble not them, which from among the Gentiles "are turned to God"

20 But that we write unto them, that they abstain from pollutions of idols, (Law of Moses) and from fornication, (Law of Moses) and from things strangled, (Law of Moses) and from blood. (Law of Moses)

And these Gentiles would learn more about the Gospel many of the Israelites were given in the wilderness, but rejected, by hearing the Word's Jesus said to "Live by".

21 For Moses of old time hath in every city them that preach him, being read in the synagogues every sabbath day.

So I certainly agree with you that the Disciples in Acts 15, turned the Gentile Converts away from the doctrines, traditions and judgments of the Mainstream religions of the world in their time, that you call "Judaism", and steered them to Moses instead, as Jesus Himself did for the multitudes and His Disciples in Matt. 23:1-3.

And another note; as Prophesied, God has delivered HIS Oracles into the homes of anyone who wants to truly know Him and His Son. We no longer are required to go to a man-made shrine of worship, and be taught of men what the Word of God says. We have them in our own home, in our own mind. We now sit, in Moses Seat.

All we need is belief in this God's Words, like Abraham. And Jesus makes this possible by wiping our slate clean. Now we can turn away from this world's religions, their man-made high days, Judgments, commandments, traditions and philosophies, and "Yield ourselves" to God and yield our bodies "as instruments of righteousness" unto God.

BCP1928 · 2025-11-07T08:40:44-0600

stevevw said:
Not sure what you mean. There are various studies or research. I linked a couple already. The one on the signatures of scoop marks around the unfinished obelisk is peer review in case your wondering. No that this matters.

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2212054823000292

There are signs in many places and they appear very similar to other signatures around the world.

This video best explains things

Scoop Marks on Unfinished Obelisk: What Tools were ...

I gave you the papers.

How do you get the vitified layer. From heat yes. From the stones experience severe heat. Some metmorphesis in the stone. This is only one method proposed.

The Report was actually done as part of looking into why the Sacsayhuaman fortress was subsiding and deteriorating. They did a chemical analysis and found out how the stones were softened or made into a plasticine type material. Signatures are similar in Egypt.

A few early explorers like Percy Fawcett were told the story of the ancients softening sones with some plant or chemical reactions. Knowing which chemicals softened or weakened the stone.

PERU Sacsayhuaman
How can we explain the presence of “plasticine stone,”

https://www.ic.unicamp.br/~stolfi/EXPORT/00-EXPORT/00-06-07-word-grammar/Notes/work/programs/c/projects/archaeology/sacsayhuaman/russians-report/russians-en.pdf

Once again forget about the technical analysis and look at the signatures with your naked eyes. The first image at Sacsayhuaman Fortress there are similar scoop and scape marks along the stones as though they were pliable. The second image clearly shows how the weight of the upper stone sank into the top of the lower stone face. Squeezing into joints. Thats why they are so tight in their joints that you can't fit a piece of paper into.

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These look like the scoop marks at the unfinished obelisk. See the uniform square patterns. Usually either square (40 x 40cm) or around a 40cm wide longer scoop. But very uniform like a set tool repeated scoooping and leaving pointed ridges around it like a shovel into wet cement.

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Yep they have been published.

Thats what I am trying to do. If ancients had some way of understanding and manipulating nature, physics, chemistry ect then this is another form of knowledge. Its different because though it may have similar aspects ie toying around with physics and chemistry. Basically todays science is doing the same thing.

Except this is not from a material science worldview but an experiential one. A conscious experience of nature and reality. L:iving within a different paradigm that is more conscious and experiential of nature being immersed in it. Under this paradigm deeper knowledge can be known rather than the outside looking in material science.

In otherwords the ancients became part of nature itself. Another component that existed within the realm rather than outside it. This gave a deeper understanding to the secrets of nature and how it worked.

That may have been simply because they lived with nature they experienced and see stuff that we westerners never experience and see which gives insights into how nature works and can be manipulated.

You say give examples. When I tell you that even today Indigneous and Native knowledge is being lost and was of this type and the ancients tell you this. THis is their testimony and the same attitude that dismiss it and caused it to be lost is still asking for more evidence because it does not fit the box you think it should.

This snake cutout looks as though its scooped out of the stone and the rock shows softened and even melted signatures.

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Back to Egypt.

How is this "indigenous" knowledge acquired? By observation and experience? That's the way "scientific" knowledge is acquired as well. What's the difference?

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Chesterton · 2025-11-07T08:34:32-0600

If they're the drivers of MAGA it's just because there's more of them. In 2015 I intentionally talked politics with Arab immigrants at coffee hours after church, asking who people were planning on voting for. Two younger Arabs liked Rand Paul and Fiorina, but every older Arab was voting for Trump. No one was voting for a Democrat. My deacon from Syria voted for him and joked "If you don't see me after January, I didn't run off. You'll know I got deported".

I'm aware that some don't think we're real Christians, but I think those folks are a minority. Over the last five years we didn't have a church, and an SDA and then a Methodist church graciously let us borrow their space to have our services. (The SDA church worked out nice since, as I'm sure you know, they meet on Saturdays.

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FAITH-IN-HIM · 2025-11-07T08:34:19-0600

Always in His Presence said:
A thread to discuss all the effects of the new Mayor

Parents began planning to take their kids out of NYC schools minutes after Zohran Mamdani’s mayoral win

Since the results of Tuesday’s election came in, school placement consultant Christopher Rim told The Post he’s had no less than 23 clients reach out to him. They’re looking to relocate — and they want his help getting their kids into elite private high schools and middle schools in other states.

“Within the first 30 minutes of AP announcing Mamdani’s victory, I got three messages from families looking to move,” said Rim, founder and CEO of Command Education.

This is the second thread about Mandami created in less than three hours. However, this is not unexpected. Over the next four years, it appears that conservatives have identified a new figure to criticize in order to influence public opinion—portraying Mondami as a socialist who intends to redistribute wealth and implement sharia law in the United States.

Republicans might try to promote Mandami and alarm Americans into voting for them in next year's election, but that approach will likely fail.

Most Americans outside New York City aren't concerned about its mayor—they care more about grocery prices.

Most people do not compare current grocery prices with those from 2022 or calculate the percentage change; instead, they notice that they can no longer afford all the items they used to purchase. They observe that there is less food available for their families and often seek someone to hold responsible. Typically, they are more likely to direct their concerns toward national leadership rather than distant local officials.

Many Hispanic voters supported President Trump due to his pledges to improve the economy. However, some are now witnessing the deportation of family members or friends—such as spouses, mothers, grandfathers, or neighbors—as a result of current immigration policies. They will not blame Mandami and his socialist policy in NYC for family separation which effected their own family and friend; instead, they will hold responsible the person who implemented the policy.

Youth voters who supported the GOP in 2024 and struggle to find jobs after graduation are unlikely to blame Mondami, since they recognize the US economy is influence by the current White House resident.

A struggling mother won't examine complicated congressional procedures to assign blame for the shutdown—she'll notice that while she can't afford groceries, the President is spending $300 million on a ballroom.

While it's not entirely fair to blame the President for all of the above, but that's how many Americans will perceive it.

If the GOP believes they can distract the American people from important issues by focusing on Mandami the socialist, they may find themselves surprised after the November elections. next year

gzt · 2025-11-07T08:33:10-0600

Fine. Walsh and Shapiro have extensively discussed this. Given the size of their audiences, they certainly have a larger youth audience than Fuentes.

As for becoming moderate, just yesterday's stream (Nov 6th), he said, and hopefully this quote to illustrate the sort of nonsense he's still up to but is not inflammatory enough to get banned (I will gladly remove if asked): "The Jews are destroying this country because the country doesn’t want to support Israel anymore." Not exactly straying far from his roots.

I was speaking a little loosely there and equivocating on "platform" -- it's not a problem for youtube to ban people like Fuentes, and somebody like Fr Josiah doesn't need to invite them on, either.

essentialsaltes · 2025-11-07T08:32:59-0600

FAITH-IN-HIM said:
If you believe that universal health care is feasible, please provide data on its projected costs, potential revenue sources, and the expected amount an average American would pay for their health care.

'Even if corporate tax rates were raised from 21% to 60% or the top 5% individual income tax bracket increased from 37% to 70%, these measures would not be sufficient to fully fund universal health care annually.'

If we replace "or" with "and" these measures are sufficient.

durangodawood · 2025-11-07T08:32:03-0600

ThatRobGuy said:
I don't know if it's quite that drastic...

But I've noticed over the past 5 years or so, there's a "progressive playbook" on these sorts of things...

Step 1: Do something that clearly intended for shock value
Step 2: Wait until a subset of people are predictably shocked by it
Step 3: Portray it as "ridiculous" that people are shocked by it, and gaslight and pretend that what they're doing is unremarkable

This has a lot of similarities to the Sam Smith stuff that happened at the Grammy awards. Almost the exact same pattern, actually.

Being a Gen X'er, I remember when artists going for shock value used to own it and didn't mince words about why they were doing it. I can respect that angle.

But today, it's an approach where they're clearly going for that shock value, but then gaslight and pretend the thing they're doing shouldn't even be considered shocking in the first place "Gee, why are you so shocked by this?" (as if there's something wrong with the other person)

When the Red Hot Chili Peppers used to get on stage and perform in nothing but tube socks, it was pretty evident why they were doing it, they (and their fans) thought it was funny, and they got a little jolt from intentionally offending the "stuffy old people".

Nobody tried to deny or deflect by acting all aloof like "Hmmm...why would people be shocked by that? Sounds like they're just overly sensitive"

I dispute that a lot of this shocking! contemporary stuff is meant to shock. I think most of it is just in group identification, as well as what actually interests the artist.

Trying to be shocking is worn out and passe.

Larniavc · 2025-11-07T08:28:39-0600

GoldenBoy89 said:
Can’t wait to hear the Islamic call to prayer blasting through Times Square.

While decrying religion as an opiate to maintain the bourgeoisie.

Larniavc · 2025-11-07T08:27:26-0600

Valletta said:
I expect

This is where you devolve into scaremongering.

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