David Lamb said:

I didn't claim to have done that. I don't claim even to have read the 442,000 posts that you have agreed are actually on that forum. Indeed, I specifically said that I was referring only to the posts on the page that your link took me to. I wrote: "Well, there were none at all that said that on the page you linked to."

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Sorry - My mistake I thought you were referring to the Icke thread.

rambot said:

1. I will posit that if the patient is informed and willing and the results are positive it really doesn't matter exactly what the treatment is (I imagining the 60s and 70s the thought of putting radiation in your body to fight cancer was a distasteful option).
2https://www.americanjournalofsurgery.com/article/S0002-9610(24)00238-1/abstract#:~:text=Regret after gender affirming surgery is less than 1 %.


lowest regret rate of any plastic surgery. Improvements in all facets of mental health too.

Why shouldn't people be able to feel better?

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The research is not reliable. It cannot be posited that it is effective.

And when it comes to children specifically even WPATH has admitted they are not giving informed consent and neither are the parents.

I think we've been over this more times than once. The above conclusion is extremely biased and unreliable. I reiterate the problems not for you because you've been told, but there maybe others who don't. Tge problems are:
Inadequate follow up.
High rates of loss of subjects
Imprecise measurements of detransition and regret
Reliance on biased samples or samples with poor generalizability.

concretecamper said:

However, "trust the science" has lost all credibility in the past 5 years.

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Is this what science has come to ?

johansen said:

i don't understand why it took 2 years to figure this deception out.

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I credit the Telegraph for even bringing this to light. Else the memo would have languished within the BBC like an open secret no one wants to talk about.

I heard somewhere when I was just listening to Youtube that one Youtuber said this happened when you let the narrative set the truth not the truth setting the narrative. Paraphrasing as I can't recall who said it and how exactly it was said. But his point was poignant and salient.

Fervent said:

If you're referring to drag, you might have a point. But if you're referring to the historic comedic trope of "haha male character in women's clothes" then your point falls flat, since the source of the mockery is the absurdity of a man in women's clothes not some ribbing of a stereotype. As drag is a recent phenomena belonging to a particular subculture, it hardly can be said to be a source of normality.

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Well said. Tie that with the total depravity and perversion in the drag culture and you see how abnormal it is.

Apple Sky said:

Even at 10 mile there should be a 67 foot drop in curvature, but there isn't.

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The road rises and fall along its entire length. At eye level you can only see about 3 miles to the horizon. With my drone at 300 feet, the view is out to 21 miles. The drone can see trucks approaching that it can't see at 6 feet.

Same looking out to sea. There might be no ships in sight at ground level, but send the drone up to 1,000 feet and it can see ships almost 40 miles away. How do you explain that?

Lybrah said:

I haven’t been going to church in a while. I feel like it’s boring. I find myself daydreaming and the sermons are good, but I really don’t like to sing or stand up. I like just saying prayers and even though the sermons are good, I don’t feel like going. I’m not really getting anything out of the Bible study, either, which is online. When I do go to church, I do tithe.
Am I falling away or is this not the right church for me? The people are nice.

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I understand what you mean. However, worshipping God and hearing His word preached in the company of other Christians surely should not be seen in terms of our likes and dislikes, but in obeying God. You say that you don't like to sing or to stand up, but far more important, is the church that you go to, and maybe are a member of, a biblical one? In other words, does it order its worship and other activities according to God's word? If it does, then ask for God's help to overcome your dislikes. If it doesn't, I suggest you seek His help in finding a biblical church.

Yarddog said:

I glad that you agree that rage in many far right wingers should be challenged. They need understand their sin.

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Huh?....checking..... can't find where you said that and where it tied into what I said and agreed with you on anything.

Yarddog said:

Just what LGBT issues have you actually witnessed? I've seen none. I've seen no indoctrination of kids. I've heard charges by right wingers but seen nothing to back that up.

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Ive seen a lot of it including curriculum from the schools. I've seen the books and whats in them. I've read the material. It does NOT belong in the schools. There is no reason for it except to expose children to indoctrination. Kids are not psychologically prepared to deal with that kind of sexual influences.

The left is so determined to introduce kids to this younger and younger. Its unconscionable.

Palmfever said:

All men are drawn.
Many men are called, few chosen.
We are not coerced
Our response is our choice.
'Choose this day who you will serve.'
'Open the door and I will come in and sup with you.'
It isn't complicated.

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But in their context, the words 'Choose this day who you will serve.' were spoken to God's chosen people of Old Testament times, not to sinners in general, and 'Open the door and I will come in and sup with you.' is a paraphrase of this verse, spoken to a church, the church of the Laodiceans:

““Behold, I stand at the door and knock. If anyone hears My voice and opens the door, I will come in to him and dine with him, and he with Me.” (Re 3:20 NKJV)

Again, not an invitation to sinners to open the door of their hearts to Jesus.

Hentenza said:

Not really. Your explanation does not work. Perspective does not work that way. To make it simple the curvature drop of the earth is about 8 inches per mile. So in a 90 mile road that would be about 60 feet so it would be impossible to see the end of the road. In fact you can only see less than 10 miles.

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Even at 10 mile there should be a 67 foot drop in curvature, but there isn't.

BCP1928 said:

Because you don't want them taught that? OK. But do you have to take them out of school to avoid it? Why not just teach them that while other people can have fun with clothing and costumes, it's not OK for Christians.

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Why are you so keen on exposing children to perversion?

Valletta said:

Most people would be shocked at just how much the major media sticks to a particular narrative and how little real investigative journalism there is.

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nah they know it and don't care or they have blind faith, not in the media, but in the "institutions" like the 3 letter agencies.
most people i know are that polarized.

as for the media lying they haven't cared since dan wrather reporting live from a green screen in iraq...

BCP1928 said:

What's the harm? What drag queens are teaching is that how we dress is only cultural convention and it's OK to have fun with it sometimes. No harm in that at all.

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Nope drag queens are trying to queen the kids.

Drag, is typically a sexual perversion. Men getting their jollies by dressing up in womens clothes and acting out their perversion on stage.

BCP1928 said:

How would you know that the source was transcendent?

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Ah this is the age old question about substance and where is the line between the material and immaterial. The Mind/Body Duality or mind over matter.

Some areas of science are even toying with the idea of an Information or Mind s fundemental. What exactly is transcedent.

What about phenomenal belief. Is that real and transcedent. What about conscious experiences. What if conscious experiences of nature and reality which is a direct experience of what is happening and not a 3rd party measure.

What if these experiences allow a deeper knowledge of reality that allowed ancients to discover how to manipulate it. Is that not how nature is designed. That becoming part of that nature or one with the world you are therefore becoming part of it more fully and able to experience and know it better.

Mary could not know the experience of colors like red. When she did she came to know and understand something about reality that all her academic knowledge could not tell her. This was new knowledge and insight into nature and reality.

By the same logic if the ancients were more immersed in the direct experiences of nature and reality they would also come to know similar knowledge about reality that material science could not rteveal. Which enable them to utilise and manipulate it.

i don't understand why it took 2 years to figure this deception out.

Larniavc said:

What’s wrong with that? If a kid’s gay they need to know that they are not monsters.

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Homesexual experimentation can cause psychological damage to a child leading then to believe they are gay when they may not be.

Daniel Martinovich said:

I do believe in the literal- physical; coming, past present and future of the Lord. I do not believe in the traditions of men about second advent heralding the end of the world as we know it.

THE COMING OF THE LORD

The Bible's record of the Lord physically coming to the earth.

wordservice.org

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What do you believe happens at the Second Advent?

jonojim1337 said:

Yes he was born in my family to give me the Right of Kings.

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Haven't you got that the wrong way around? Jesus came so that we could be "born again" into God's family. He was not born into your family, unless you can trace your ancestry to King David. Not sure what you mean by "the Right of Kings - perhaps you were thinking of a verse like this, written about Christians:

“and has made us kings and priests to His God and Father, to Him [be] glory and dominion forever and ever. Amen.” (Re 1:6 NKJV)

Larniavc said:

I’m sorry are you saying that when a child is diddled it is the child that has sinned?

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No, the child is being forced to participate in the sin of the adult which harms the child.

We know that sexual abuse often causes psychological damage to tge point where later the child becomes an offender themselves.

I always wonder what kind of sorry it was. "Sorry I got caught" or "Sorry I failed journalism". I suspect it is the prior not the latter. How can you regret something after 2 years being in the know? Occam's razor says you're not, you are forced to say sorry for getting caught being a partisan that takes tax payers' money and propagate manufactured narratives. It goes beyond Trump. The Gaza/Israel conflict, JK Rowling transphobia issue, the late Queen's storming off issue. There has been consistent preference shown by the BBC to champion left leaning narratives, narratives that make the established customs, held believes and way of life look bad.

I for one would want Trump to go ahead with the lawsuit, I care little whether he will win but the discovery stage will expose so much more of the BBC than anything this leaked memo could ever do.

Apple Sky said:

So you've read through 140,600,000 posts already

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I didn't claim to have done that. I don't claim even to have read the 442,000 posts that you have agreed are actually on that forum. Indeed, I specifically said that I was referring only to the posts on the page that your link took me to. I wrote: "Well, there were none at all that said that on the page you linked to."