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timothyu · 2025-11-23T12:36:28-0600

It was death that came out of the Garden as a result of the fall, not a sinful nature. That nature was built in from the beginning in order for us (and elohim) to have choice..

childeye 2 · 2025-11-23T12:36:06-0600

CoreyD said:
The record shows I gave clarification... repeatedly.
The record shows you ignored the posts.

childeye 2 said:
The definition of freewill in Greek that you have given above is an adjective, not a noun. It describes a certain type of action or choice that is uncoerced/voluntary.
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Subjective Semantic Analysis of the op

Objective Contextual Meaning

Will = predisposed intent or desire, shaped by God’s Spirit or sinful desire.
Free = voluntariness of action.
These meanings are grounded in the context of Scripture, not abstract philosophy. They arise from how the words function in their passages (John 8:44, James 1:14, Leviticus 1:3, 2 Corinthians 9:7).

Subjective morphing

When lifted out of their contexts and combined into “free will” or “free‑willed agents,” the terms morph:

Biblical usage:
- Will = predisposed intent or desire.
- Free = voluntariness of action.
- Together, they describe how choices are made in context (voluntary offerings, desires shaped by influence).
Philosophical usage:
- “Free will” = autonomous human faculty of choice.
- “Free‑willed agents” = beings with innate, independent agency.
- These are interpretive constructs, not direct lexical meanings.

Mechanics of Morphing

Here’s how and why the shift happens:

Loss of context → In Scripture, will refers to intent/desire, and free refers to voluntariness of action. Once those contexts (offerings, desires, voluntary acts) are stripped away, the words lose their specific grammatical anchors.
Fusion into a new phrase → The separate categories (noun vs. adjective/adverb) are merged into a single compound phrase, “free will,” which Scripture itself does not define.
Interpretive overlay → Theology and philosophy supply new meaning, treating “free will” as a metaphysical faculty of autonomous choice.

In other words, they become subjective terms, shaped by theological or philosophical interpretation rather than by the objective contextual meaning.

Summary

Objective contextual meaning:
- Will = predisposed intent or desire.
- Free = voluntariness of action.
Subjective morphing:
- Out of context, “free will” becomes a philosophical construct of autonomous choice.
- The morphing occurs because the terms are lifted from their contextual usage and reinterpreted through theology and philosophy.

CoreyD said:
The record shows you wanted to talk about something that wasn't actually what the OP referred to.

The op showed the terms were morphing terms taking them out of the syntactical context. The record shows the subsequent disconnect in communication:

CoreyD said:
I referred to the scriptures which refer to man's free will, repeatedly.
Leviticus 1:3;
childeye 2 said:
A "voluntary" or "freewill" choice/decision (an adjective).

CoreyD said:
From your comment, you agree then, that an unforced choice/decision, is an exercising of free will. Yes?
childeye 2 said:
Not really. The context of Jesus saying, "Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do", implies the character of the father manifests in the fathers children.

CoreyD said:
I don't understand this statement - the choice/option between right/wrong is a valid freedom as conveyed by the serpent??
What do you mean? Can you explain. <-- This is a snippet: here is the full sentence: childeye 2 said:
I therefore do not accept the premise that the choice/option between right/wrong is a valid freedom as conveyed by the serpent.
CoreyD said:
I don't understand this statement - the choice/option between right/wrong is a valid freedom as conveyed by the serpent??
What do you mean? Can you explain.
childeye 2 said:
The Satan is the one that conveyed we have the choice/option to disobey God and not die.

CoreyD said:
You appear to be saying the woman did not have a choice in the matter, and could not exercise her freedom of choice... she had none.
Is that what you are saying?
childeye 2 said:
The scripture is saying she was deceived into doing it. You know that don't you? It's not like she would volunteer to be deceived. Did you know that Jesus came down to destroy the works of the devil?

CoreyD said:
The record shows that you didn't want to accept that, but wanted it your way, and so, went right on ahead with what you wanted... ignoring me - the OP, and my posts.

The record shows we're having a communication breakdown, because "will" in scripture is a desire/intent, NOT an ability to choose.

Analysis of Syntactical Disconnection, Term Morphing, and miscommunication

1. Initial Claim

CoreyD: “I referred to the scriptures which refer to man's free will, repeatedly. Leviticus 1:3.”
Problem: Leviticus 1:3 uses nedābâh (“freewill offering”), which is an adjective describing voluntariness of an act, not a noun establishing a metaphysical faculty.
Morphing: CoreyD lifts “freewill” out of its syntactical context (adjective modifying “offering”) and morphs it into a noun phrase “man’s free will” (faculty of choice).

2. Response Clarifying Syntax

childeye 2: “A ‘voluntary’ or ‘freewill’ choice/decision (an adjective).”
Point: Correctly identifies that “freewill” in Leviticus is adjectival, describing the manner of the offering.
Disconnect: CoreyD interprets this as agreement with his philosophical construct, but syntactically it is not the same.

3. Morphing into Faculty

CoreyD: “From your comment, you agree then, that an unforced choice/decision, is an exercising of free will. Yes?”
Problem: He morphs “voluntary” (adjective) into “exercising free will” (noun phrase = faculty).
Disconnect: He assumes voluntariness = autonomous faculty, which is a semantic leap.

4. Counter with Contextual Meaning

childeye 2: “Not really. The context of Jesus saying, ‘Ye are of your father the devil…’ implies the character of the father manifests in the children.”
Point: Returns to contextual meaning—will = predisposed intent or desire, shaped by spiritual influence.
Disconnect: CoreyD expects agreement on “faculty of free choice,” but childeye 2 insists on contextual predisposition.

5. Further Miscommunication

CoreyD: “I don’t understand this statement—the choice/option between right/wrong is a valid freedom as conveyed by the serpent??”
Problem: CoreyD interprets “choice/option” as evidence of free will (faculty).
childeye 2: “I therefore do not accept the premise that the choice/option between right/wrong is a valid freedom as conveyed by the serpent.”
Point: Argues that the serpent introduced the illusion of autonomous choice, not Scripture.
Disconnect: CoreyD reads “choice” as proof of freedom; childeye 2 reads “choice” as deception.

6. Final Breakdown

CoreyD: “You appear to be saying the woman did not have a choice… she had none.”
Morphing: Equates deception with absence of choice, still within the “faculty of free will” framework.
childeye 2: “The scripture is saying she was deceived into doing it… It’s not like she would volunteer to be deceived.”
Point: Maintains that her will was predisposed and manipulated, not freely autonomous.
Disconnect: CoreyD insists on freedom as faculty; childeye 2 insists on predisposition and deception.

Summary of Morphing

Lexical context:
- Free = voluntariness (adjective/adverb).
- Will = predisposed intent or desire (noun).
Morphing:
- CoreyD fuses them into “free will” = autonomous faculty.
- childeye 2 resists, keeping them in contextual syntax (voluntariness + predisposed desire).
Syntactical disconnection:
- CoreyD treats adjectives as nouns (faculty).
- childeye 2 treats them as modifiers (manner/intent).
- Result: They talk past each other—one in philosophy, the other in grammar/context.

concretecamper · 2025-11-23T12:33:14-0600

Clare73 said:
C'mon, you know better than that. . .

Just because I can climb a tree as does a money doesn't mean I, therefore, can safely jump from tree to tree several feet apart.

We are talking about free will and the ability to be virtuous, or not. We are not talking about physical gymnastics, ugh

PloverWing · 2025-11-23T12:31:21-0600

stevevw said:
What do you think of the Billy Graham crusades. I think this was a time of religious revival. At least in the US. But I think also in my country Australia. Possible across the west.

The Billy Graham crusades seem different from street preaching, to me, because they were held in a stadium or convention hall, and people chose to attend them. When I think of a street preacher, I think of a guy standing on a sidewalk or street corner holding a sign, or walking up to strangers to interrogate them. Those feel like different activities.

I thought Billy Graham was an excellent preacher, in the classic Southern Baptist tradition. I heard him preach in person several times, and on TV many times.

timothyu · 2025-11-23T12:29:54-0600

Benaiah468 said:
This prayer movement will culminate in the return of Jesus, the salvation of all Israel, and the completion of G-d's Kingdom ‘on earth as it is in heaven.’

The House of Israel, all 12

Hentenza · 2025-11-23T12:25:31-0600

HIM said:
You haven't addressed anything in her post or the video. If it isn't true, show it not to be true through the Scripture. Take care

I have addressed every single one of her pet verses and yet she continues to post them in error. I don’t do video. My conversation is not with the guy in the video.

timothyu · 2025-11-23T12:24:41-0600

SabbathBlessings said:
it was his own disobedience that killed him, doing something that God told them not to

As it does all of us, ever since it was unleashed in the Garden

The Righterzpen · 2025-11-23T12:22:47-0600

Lybrah said:
Believe it or not, there are teachers who do not want to teach this to children, and “they should just quit” in not an acceptable response.

Yeah, this whole debacle puts all kinds of people in difficult positions professionally as well as violations of one’s own moral conscience.

If there is someone I know who I know is not presenting as their biological sex. I avoid pronouns altogether. I have a problem pretending something is true that I know isn’t.

I know a couple of “trans” people and at least the one I know well, has not said anything to me about my lack of pronoun use.

It’s actually a very sad situation. This is a fellow veteran who’s now been in a locked psych unit at a VA facility for almost 3 months now….basically in order to keep her alive.

And I think I’m pretty much the only person who goes to see her? One other vet has been up there. She’s always “happy” to see me.

It kills me though because where’s all the “trans allies” blah blah blah. No it’s the conservative Christian (who voted for Trump on top of it) who’s visiting her basically because I don’t want to see her die!

Last visit, we spent an hour and half listening to Christian music on her phone. She said the songs help her feel better.

❤️‍ So… yeah.

boughtwithaprice · 2025-11-23T12:18:09-0600

SabbathBlessings said:
I never wrote the Ten Commandments- that's God's Testimony that the Holy Spirit personally wrote Deut4:13 Exo31:18 Rev15:5, something He said He would not change. No where in the entire Bible were the apostles commissioned to change God's times and laws and teach another gospel than what God commanded.

Have you ever dated someone that did all kinds of things for you? Gave you everything, but what you asked. I think we can do that to God. But Lord Lord did I not do this in your name, but Lord Lord did I not do that in your name, only for Him to say I do not know you Mat 7:21-23 because you did not do what I asked.1John2:3-4 God wrote out what He asked plainly in Stone - than wrote it in our hearts 2Cor3:3 Heb8:10 Changing a jot or tittle, yet alone a whole commandment or two, is no longer doing what He asks, but our own will. Its really that simple. We can follow the crowd, or be faithful to what God actually said that comes with His power of His sanctification and blessings. Something no church has the power to do, despite their claims.

If you want the blessing and sanctification of God- keep the Sabbath Isa56:2 Eze20:12- if you want our own sanctification and believe a church has more power than God- one to remove His sanctification and than transfer to a day God made for works and labors Exo20:9 by all means keep going in the direction your heading. We are told whoever we obey is who we serve (worship) Rom6:16 so I guess it will get sorted out in God's time.

This is a misunderstanding of Scripture. You will not find one verse in the entire Bible where the apostles changed God's times and laws- that is something they understood to be bad Dan7:25 and not something they ever did in words or in actions. They faithfully kept every Sabbath in church with both Jews and Gentiles just as Jesus said- My house will be a house of prayer for all nations Mat21:13 and that is on the Sabbath- just like Jesus did who was theirs and our example to follow Luke 4:16 for those who want to join themselves to God, love His name(God) and to be His servants and holds fast to God's covenant- that He said He would not alter His words Psa89:34 not a jot or tittle Mat5:18-19

Isa 56:6“Also the sons of the foreigner
Who join themselves to the Lord, to serve Him,
And to love the name of the Lord, to be His servants—
Everyone who keeps from defiling the Sabbath,
And holds fast My covenant—
7 Even them I will bring to My holy mountain,
And make them joyful in My house of prayer.
Their burnt offerings and their sacrifices
Will be accepted on My altar;
For My house shall be called a house of prayer for all nations.

This is what Jesus said who has all authority

Mat 28:18 And Jesus came and spoke to them, saying, “All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth. 19 Go [c]therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, 20 teaching them to observe all things that I have commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age.” [d]Amen.

No wonder why the apostles observed every Sabbath decades after the Cross with both Jews and Gentiles as Jesus predicted

Acts 13:42 So when the Jews went out of the synagogue, the Gentiles begged that these words might be preached to them the next Sabbath.

Acts 13:44 On the next Sabbath almost the whole city came together to hear the word of God.

(fulfillment of Jesus prophecy that My house will be a house of prayer for all nations)

Acts 18:4 And he reasoned in the synagogue every Sabbath, and persuaded both Jews and Greeks.

Acts 15:21 For Moses has had throughout many generations those who preach him in every city, being read in the synagogues every Sabbath.”

Because God does not change. The Sabbath was from the very beginning made for man started at Creation Exo20:11 and will continue on for eternity where all of God's saints (saved) will continue the Sabbath for worship but instead of in spirit since sin separated man from God, it will be before the Lord Isa66:22-23

We do not want to miss this! But if we are so opposed to God's holy day now, will we suddenly want to once He returns? If God was going to force His will on people we would not be in the mess we are in today a world full of sin and sorrow. We can follow traditions, but it doesn't come with the sanctification or power of God, no wonder why Jesus told us to obey God's commandments over man made ones Mark7:7-13 Mat15:3-14 and the apostles never taught anything different Col2:8

I do wish you well and hope you will consider what God says because while there may be temporary great authority on this earth that most follow- its not equal to God's.

Then why did you take until 1860 to start preaching? No one, not even Ellen White taught as you did before that

Warden_of_the_Storm · 2025-11-23T12:17:26-0600

Apple Sky said:
But he does.

But he doesn't.

Brightfame52 · 2025-11-23T12:17:16-0600

zoidar said:
The text does not explain why they listen and learn, why they are God-taught. It simply presents these as qualities of those whom God draws.

Because the Father draws them

biblelesson · 2025-11-23T12:16:53-0600

ChubbyCherub said:
You've explained it well here but still..................I have to pray about it. It's a hard thing to understand

Yes, it can be difficult!

God is a uniplural word
Man is a uniplural word

The whole creation of Man with its billions, upon billions of lives, is still one.

The same as looking at God with Three in the Godhead is still One

A uniplural noun is a word that appears in the plural form but is used for singular and plural subjects alike.

May the Holy Spirit guide your understanding’

boughtwithaprice · 2025-11-23T12:15:53-0600

HIM said:
You haven't addressed anything in her post or the video. If it isn't true, show it not to be true through the Scripture. Take care

So you prefer free thought over apostolic teaching. That is prerogative God gives you.
It does not make you right
Scripture subject to the interpretation of man is scripture subject to the interpretation of man, it is not scripture as originally intended
To have scripture as intended by God, we must learn from His ambassadors, the Apostles. Those were the ones whom He sent, not someone who read the Bible and decided to make up their own denomination and call other Christians apostate or carry the mark of the beast if they are not believed. That is not in scripture, Apostolic teaching is in scripture

So I don’t convince you. So what ? Since when has God said go into all the world and convince people? He said to go into the world and preach the Gospel. You can either follow it or not.

Would you not agree that one of the saddest positions for a person to be in is to think they are following the Gospel, but are deceived?

How do you know something is true? Do you just get a feeling? Or do you look for evidence that goes against your feelings? If you don’t look for evidence, you make God subject to your feelings

That is sad to me, which is why we continue to proclaim the word to you. If you don’t study, you don’t understand, if you don’t want to understand, then you have become like the Church at Laodicea, and when you read revelation, you know that is not a good place to be

Brightfame52 · 2025-11-23T12:12:37-0600

Palmfever said:
Yes.
He drew "ALL MEN.'

He did not pick and choose.
'For God so loved the 'world.'

So it's not about their freewill. It's Christ will and power

jonojim1337 · 2025-11-23T12:10:58-0600

partinobodycular said:
This is where you and I disagree, because I don't think that's true. To me mercy isn't about what someone deserves, it's about what we as victims are willing to forgive, in spite of what they deserve. For me, that's what being a Christian is all about... to do justly... to love mercy... and to walk humbly with thy God. And I can't help but believe that that last bit isn't just talking about my God, or your God, but anybody's God. Do those three things, and you're a Christian, simply because of what you do, and not because of what you call yourself. Thus it can say 'agnostic' in my profile and I trust that in God's eyes it really doesn't matter... His mercy will come regardless.

I think I’m pretty damn merciful.

partinobodycular said:
So who are these people? Who are these Pharisees? It wasn't the Gentiles that Jesus rebuked, or the Samaritans, or the tax collectors, or even the Romans. But there was something about the Pharisees in particular that Jesus disliked. To me it's their strict adherence to the law, and the little room that this left for mercy. Yes, Jesus told the adulteress to go and sin no more, but only after showing her mercy.

This is why I told you to look in the mirror, because you seem to be someone who's too preoccupied with with every jot and tittle of a book that can actually be reduced down to two simple commandments... 'love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy strength, and with all thy mind; and thy neighbor as thyself.'

If I've misjudged you, then please accept my apology.

Back in the day, they did not have fanciful, scientific words like narcissist and psychopath, so in the Biblical universe, they are called Pharisees. In other words, what you would call an archetype.

It’s interesting that in the story about the adulteress, the mob had the intellectual capacity to consider if the law applies to them as well, in a broader sense maybe, and the fear of God enough to change their ways. The Pharisees had neither of those qualities and only used the law for their own end like modern public servant.

I think what is talked about here is relevant as well.

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Apple Sky · 2025-11-23T12:10:51-0600

Warden_of_the_Storm said:
Very unlikely.

But he does.

Nithavela · 2025-11-23T12:10:08-0600

comana said:
https://disneyland.disney.go.com/park-rules/#guest-courtesy-and-attire-policies

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Current single day ticket prices range from $104-$224 per person. I guess if they want to spend that kind of money just to “trigger the libs” and also get thrown out of the park, go for it.

Best way to trigger the libs is to self-own.

For example, look at the current state of the economy.

Nithavela · 2025-11-23T12:04:45-0600

Good news, everyone.

Clare73 · 2025-11-23T12:04:21-0600

eleos1954 said:
The "rapture" is the first resurrection .... there is no "secrete rapture" ... personally I don't like or use the term. There are two resurrections.

Not according to the authoritative apostolic teaching (1 Th 4:16-17) of Christ (Lk 1:16),

unless the rebirth from eternal death into eternal life by the sovereign will (as unaccountable as the wind, Jn 3:6-8) of the Holy Spirit (Jn 3:3-5) is referred to metaphorically as a "resurrection" in the prophetic riddle (Nu 12:6-8) of Rev.

Lukaris · 2025-11-23T12:03:27-0600

I would consider what my faith community is doing as a whole and consider how to help serve it. If people are being led to the Lord, something must be going right. I’m speaking in broad generalities & realize life circumstances affect how we can do this.

Warden_of_the_Storm · 2025-11-23T12:03:14-0600

Apple Sky said:
Maybe this guy can help you.

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Very unlikely.

So again, no one has been able to explain why, on a flat earth, we wouldn't have examples of the photos above. We should be able to see right to end of the road or to the end of the line of powerlines. But we don't.

Ergo, no flat earth.

The Righterzpen · 2025-11-23T12:02:36-0600

rambot said:
I have baaaaad skills with my smart phone and auto correct.

I'll clean it up later today so you can pretend to address my points if you like.

I already addressed your points. You can go back and read post 32 if you’re going to pretend to address what is written there.

Apple Sky · 2025-11-23T12:02:21-0600

Hentenza said:
The site has a total of 442,000 posts site wide not 140 million,

Sorry I posted the number wrong.

So you've read through 140,600,000 posts already

RDKirk · 2025-11-23T12:01:48-0600

Yarddog said:
Military personnel take an oath to the Constitution. It is also for military operations. Of course, they also have rules of engagement, which are far stricter than what police officers are supposed to follow.

Military personnel do not have the authority to interpret the Constitution, however.
No military court is going to rule a presidential order as "unconstitutional."
That's never going to happen.
That is out of their jurisdictional wheelhouse.

Yarddog said:
I understand death. What military rule allows the military to kill civilians. There is nothing in the videos supplied to the public which shows any attempt to stop or disable the boats without killing the occupants. It has also not been provided to Congress.

The military kills civilians all the time. What are you talking about?

Clare73 · 2025-11-23T11:59:10-0600

bling said:
Since God has the power to send the Devil and his messengers to hell, why were they ever allowed to spent time on earth?
What is their purpose for being here?

See Ro 9:22-23.

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The record shows we're having a communication breakdown, because "will" in scripture is a desire/intent, NOT an ability to choose.​

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Analysis of Syntactical Disconnection, Term Morphing, and miscommunication​

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3. Morphing into Faculty​

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5. Further Miscommunication​

6. Final Breakdown​

Summary of Morphing​

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Subjective Semantic Analysis of the op

Objective Contextual Meaning

Subjective morphing

Mechanics of Morphing

Summary

The record shows we're having a communication breakdown, because "will" in scripture is a desire/intent, NOT an ability to choose.

Analysis of Syntactical Disconnection, Term Morphing, and miscommunication

1. Initial Claim

2. Response Clarifying Syntax

3. Morphing into Faculty

4. Counter with Contextual Meaning

5. Further Miscommunication

6. Final Breakdown

Summary of Morphing

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