Favour = grace= to be saved= faith, to believe in the love our Lord Jesus Christ had to the world to die for all. (the faith of Christ.)


So yes, we do have the faith we see in the scriptures, had by Noah, Abraham, Isaac, Israel, ( Jacob, and Moses, Moses because of hearing the one sent, but not because of a law followed, because favour alone is how one enters the pleasant land, as well testified.

The one the Lord speaks of, to hear him, as the Lord puts all His words into his mouth, and speaks all that He commands him. (SPOKEN IN IS NAME..)



Deuteronomy 18:15 The Lord thy God will raise up unto thee a Prophet from the midst of thee, of thy brethren, like unto me; unto him ye shall hearken;
16 According to all that thou desiredst of the Lord thy God in Horeb in the day of the assembly, saying, Let me not hear again the voice of the Lord my God, neither let me see this great fire any more, that I die not.
17 And the Lord said unto me, They have well spoken that which they have spoken.
18 I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him.
19 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever will not hearken unto my words which he shall speak in my name, I will require it of him.




To believe on the Son is to believe on Him who sent Him.

A light come into the WORLD, whosoever believes on Him should not abide in darkness, the Son did not come to judge the WORLD, but to SAVE THE WORLD.

He did not speak of Himself, but of the Father who sent Him, who gave commandment what He should say and speak, HIs commandment is life everlasting, ( BELIEF ON THE SON OF GOD.) so the Son speaks even as the Father said. (of LIFE EVERLASTING.)

The Father confirmed what Moses had said, to hear the one He sent, that THIS IS HIS BELOVED SON, IN WHOM HE IS WELL PLEASED, HEAR YE HIM.

The Son received form the Father glory and honour from that voice, and we are to hear that WORD, to do well to TAKE HEED/HEARKEN, as unto a LIGHT THAT SHINES IN A DARK PLACE, until the day star ARISE in your hearts. ( I am come a light into the world, that whosoever believeth on me should not abide in darkness.)

Hearkening is then by FAITH. It cannot come by commandment of law.




John 12:44 Jesus cried and said, He that believeth on me, believeth not on me, but on him that sent me.
45 And he that seeth me seeth him that sent me.
46 I am come a light into the world, that whosoever believeth on me should not abide in darkness.
47 And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.
48 He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.
49 For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak.
50 And I know that his commandment is life everlasting: whatsoever I speak therefore, even as the Father said unto me, so I speak.

Matthew 17:5 While he yet spake, behold, a bright cloud overshadowed them: and behold a voice out of the cloud, which said, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased; hear ye him.

2 Peter 1:17 For he received from God the Father honour and glory, when there came such a voice to him from the excellent glory, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.
18 And this voice which came from heaven we heard, when we were with him in the holy mount.
19 We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts:
20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.
21 For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.

BCP1928 said:

Ah yes, they were "primitive."

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So you ask for the evidence and I give it and you say nothing. This is what I mean. How can anyone every argue the evidence when they ignore it. They complain that theres no evidence and then ignore it when its given.

BCP1928 said:

"Some lost cultures who had lost knowledge" Comes down to the same thing as invoking "Atlantis."

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No, completely different. Atlantis is a legend. Like the legend like the Flood myth. Theres a degree of truth to something happening but it has been made into legend. Exaggerated and elabortated on. But like the Flood myth which is reflected in most cultures its based on a real flood event.

So is Atlantis. There is evidence of ancient cities and cultures being wiped out in a relatively short time.

Besides the hypocracy is that people want to mock the suggestion of ancient lost knowledge when the the ancestors of these ancient culture say themselves that their culture was lost. Or that the ancient culture that was there before them lost their knowledge which was great.

Even in the last 200 years or indigenous peoples have been saying that the west has destroyed their ancient knowledge. Do you not believe them or do you want to mock them for suggesting that their ancient knowledge has been lost.

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How did the Egyptians get it, then?

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This is the question. We can ask the Egyptians. They tell us their culture went on far earlier back in time than we give them credit. Most of these cultures speak of their ancestors as having great knowledge from the gods. Or it was a time when the gods roamed the earth. So they believe this themselves as part of their culture.

We know some works attributed to later dynasties came from earlier ones. Or that later dynasties built over earlier works. The pyramids are built over great underground tombs and chambers which may have existed before the pyramids.

We know Djoser inherited these vases. Maybe the Naqada people also found them and inherited them because they are so different to what their neolithic ability was at the time. We know megaliths and precision works go back 6,000 to 12,000 years ago. There is a lot to discover and work out.

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"Atlantis" is just a placeholder for whatever "advanced lost knowledge" myth you happen to be pushing.in this discussion.

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Why on earth would I do that. If everyone is triggered by even the mention of spectulative ideas that involve magic or supernatural phenomena then it would be asking for trouble lol. I have some giving me the 3rd degree on tiny errors is scientific measurements. Why would I propose such an obvious impossible thing to verify.

As you can see this thread is very much about specific facts. There are 'fact and reality' police keeping an eye out lol.

But what if we could prove by the science that an event similar but on a smaller scale happened. That was the basis for why the legend came about. What if there was a pretty advanced culture that was were known at that time that virtually disappeared and we lost records about who they were. Its an interesting idea that merits investigation. Not dissmal as whackery. Thats being overly skeptical.

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Isn't that why you are arguing with sjastro about a few thousandths of an inch? Even the tolerances that he is suggesting would invoke "Wow! That's pretty close to what one would expect from modern machining" from archaeologists. "I wonder how they did it?" What you want is not to show how they did it, but to show that these "primitive" Egyptians couldn't have done it without "ancient lost technology" What a humbug.

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Gee you packed in a lot of assumptions doing my thinking.

Its ironic that on the one hand you say I am trying to promote some pseudoscience and quackery with Atlantis. Then on the other saying I am arguing facts, hard data science. If I am engaging in hard data or at least trying to. Then how can that be pseudoscience.

I think its you who wants this by the fact that you and not I keep making it about quackery by bringing up Atlantis and whacko stuff. This is the second time you have done this. Last time it never went into Atlantis and neither this time.

I believe what Paul preaches in Colossians 1:1-29 especially verses 10 through 24 is a clear example that James & Paul saw faith & works the same way ( which can be confirmed in Ephesians 2:8-10).

CRAZY_CAT_WOMAN said:

You mean like Trump, that was responsible for January 6th. Mel Gibson, Roseanne Bar and Mary Lou Retton, that are all Conservative Christians. That broke laws.

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Whataboutism.

Say it aint so said:

There were no Democrat party officials either young or old celebrating Kirk's death.

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Well yeah, the Democratic party would need some young officials in the first place. #gerontocracy

David Lamb said:

This thread is well over 3,000 messages long. Surely you are not suggesting I read through the whole thread to find the posts with your supposed evidence?

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Well I'm not prepared to keep evidence when I have already done so.

bèlla said:

Lack of employment, an aging population, and positions we‘re unwilling to fill top the list as does violence too. We import migrants every year for different positions. But they’re only here for a time and return home. Bringing large amounts of foreigners into a country and expecting the taxpayers to support them is bound to cause chaos and weren’t asked either.

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Better living conditions at their origin countries may change things.

I looked it up and it isn’t false.

No more needles? Gates Foundation funds patch-style vaccine technology (2023)

LONDON, Nov 16 (Reuters) - The Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation has given $23.6 million to U.S.-based life science company Micron Biomedical to fund the first ever mass production of needle-free vaccine technology.
The technology works by delivering the vaccine via dissolvable microneedles attached to the skin on a patch-like device.

Mark Zuckerberg, Elon Musk, and Sam Altman Announce the End of Smartphones — But Tim Cook Isn’t Playing Along

In recent months, a quiet shift has taken shape across Silicon Valley. Some of the most powerful voices in technology are floating a vision for the future that excludes the very device that has defined the digital era for more than a decade: the smartphone. For Elon Musk, Mark Zuckerberg, Sam Altman, and Bill Gates, the next wave of innovation doesn’t involve a sleeker phone — it replaces it altogether.

Each of them is backing different technologies that promise to render smartphones obsolete. From brain implants to digital tattoos and augmented reality glasses, their ambitions suggest a world where humans interact with devices not through touchscreens, but directly through thought, vision, or even skin. It is a radical break from the present — one not everyone is ready to embrace.

Bill Gates says AI will replace doctors, teachers within 10 years — and claims humans won’t be needed ‘for most things’

Bill Gates predicted that advancements in artificial intelligence will significantly reduce humanity’s role in many traditional tasks such as medicine and education — and the seismic shift could happen in less than 10 years.

During a recent interview with comedian Jimmy Fallon on NBC’s “The Tonight Show,” the Microsoft co-founder described a future where humans are no longer necessary “for most things” because AI technology will readily perform tasks that currently require specialized human skills.

Today, expertise in fields such as medicine and education remains “rare,” Gates said, adding that those areas depend on “a great doctor” or “a great teacher.” But over the next decade, “great medical advice [and] great tutoring” will become free and commonplace, Gates said.

Gates further elaborated on this vision of a new era he terms “free intelligence” in a conversation last month with Arthur Brooks, a Harvard professor known for his research on happiness.

AI technology will increasingly permeate daily life, revolutionizing areas from healthcare and diagnosis to education — with AI tutors becoming broadly available, the mogul predicted.

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I might be persuaded to adopt the tech If Bill, Elon, Mark, etc, volunteer as guinea pigs for this tech!

I'd probably take it. I have problems like physical traumas that affected my conscious thought processes. I see it as the only way I can get help like AI if the tech is going to be distributed for free.

Otherwise, I'm not paying for it. I might be seeing the prophecies differently but we'll see. I'm interested to see how the majority of Christians will react to the tech and may influence my decision. I have no stake on it so not worried.

Vambram said:

Everything in your post is filled with falsehoods and false information.

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Cite a credible source that proves Democrats guilty of your false witness against them! "Do not bear false testimony" is kind of meant to be a thing we're careful with, hey?

Except because MAGA follow Trump - and no one can stand up to his narcissism - the whole "Christian Nationalist" movement is thrown off course by defending his constant lies day and night!

Republicans​

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2025 United States federal government shutdown - Wikipedia​

Actual studies show “illegals” commit less crime​

From 2019:​

"most studies have shown that illegal immigrants tend to commit less crime than the native born"
Gonzalez, Benjamin; Collingwood, Loren; El-Khatib, Stephen Omar (2019). "The Politics of Refuge: Sanctuary Cities, Crime, and Undocumented Immigration". Urban Affairs Review. 55: 107808741770497. doi:10.1177/1078087417704974. S2CID 32604699.

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From 2020:​

We make use of uniquely comprehensive arrest data from the Texas Department of Public Safety to compare the criminality of undocumented immigrants to legal immigrants and native-born US citizens between 2012 and 2018. We find that undocumented immigrants have substantially lower crime rates than native-born citizens and legal immigrants across a range of felony offenses. Relative to undocumented immigrants, US-born citizens are over 2 times more likely to be arrested for violent crimes, 2.5 times more likely to be arrested for drug crimes, and over 4 times more likely to be arrested for property crimes. In addition, the proportion of arrests involving undocumented immigrants in Texas was relatively stable or decreasing over this period. The differences between US-born citizens and undocumented immigrants are robust to using alternative estimates of the broader undocumented population, alternate classifications of those counted as “undocumented” at arrest and substituting misdemeanors or convictions as measures of crime.
Light, Michael T.; He, Jingying; Robey, Jason P. (December 2, 2020). "Comparing crime rates between undocumented immigrants, legal immigrants, and native-born US citizens in Texas". Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences. 117 (51): 32340–32347. Bibcode:2020PNAS..11732340L. doi:10.1073/pnas.2014704117. PMC 7768760. PMID 33288713.
Comparing crime rates between undocumented immigrants, legal immigrants, and native-born US citizens in Texas - PMC

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From 2024​

"A range of studies by academics and think tanks have shown that immigrants do not commit crime at a higher rate than native-born Americans. A more limited universe of studies specifically examine criminality among immigrants in the US illegally but also find that they do not commit crimes at a higher rate."
Hesson, Ted; Rosenberg, Mica; Hesson, Ted; Rosenberg, Mica (July 16, 2024). "Trump says migrants are fueling violent crime. Here is what the research shows". Reuters. Retrieved July 28, 2024.

Kathleen30 said:

Well NASA do certainly deceive Dave . They’ve been promoting evolution and billions of years like forever.

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Yes, I suppose many people in the world are brought up from birth to believe in evolution and billions of years. Some of those people work for NASA. I was answering Apple Sky, who was saying that NASA was deceiving people by causing the number of people to have walked on the moon to be 12, the same as the tribes of Israel and the apostles, and that this was and example of how the devil tries to copy God.

BelieveItOarKnot said:

If you knew how many people resort to the "why did Jesus die then" if everyone is saved retort

There's a mistaken notion that Jesus was the human equivalent of a sacrificed animal.

The reality is, devils in mankind killed him. No ritual priests, that's for sure

The same devils who occupied those people who reviled and killed Him will still be here when He's revealed, Rev. 1:7

The people "knew not" what they did. Devils on the other hand knew exactly what they were doing

But even in all that, it remained a precise Act of God, regardless. Acts 4:25-29

God called all the shots from the beginning, Gen. 3:15, the goal always being to extract One Nation from the midst of another (unseen) nation (Matt. 23:33), shadowed here: Deut. 4:34, and replayed by Paul in the spiritual, ongoing and future tense application in 1 Cor. 15:42-46

We are essentially being "grown" in the dirt, with fertilizer, like crops. Guess who the fertilizer is? Devils. 2 Kings 19:30, Isa. 37:31, Luke 13:7-9

Luke 11:20
But if I with the finger of God cast out devils, no doubt the kingdom of God is come upon you.

Devils whisper from the dust...oh crap

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How do you characterize hearing an accusation in my question? Would this be to you a listening to devils?

Servus said:

There are Christians (some right here on CF) who believe the earth is flat

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Everything you said above was a strawman. You're avoiding that this is now centuries of science - and today requires our best scientists. Your denial didn't even amount to considered magic handwaving - it was just vague and fluffy conspiracy theories and assertions.

You are avoiding your responsibilities as a thinking adult and Christian. And why? A Christian Associate Professor explains that Americans are particularly prone to arrogance. Undeceptions just did a great podcast on this. To learn requires the humility and self-knowledge and self-awareness that you need to learn. That you don't know everything! But MAGA feel especially entitled to just sneer at peer-reviewed science. Because - MAGA. Because - that's their tribe. Because Denial is not a river in Egypt!


A.J. Swoboda is the associate professor of Bible and Theology at Bushnell University in Oregon.
In addition to a teaching career that has taken him all over the world, he’s also authored 13 books.
His latest is called A Teachable Spirit: The Virtue of Learning from Strangers, Enemies, and Absolutely Anyone.

This is real, whatever your politics. The physics don't lie, and the scientists don't lie.

I mean who has the greater incentive to lie? The climate scientist, or the big oil CEO who earns more in a day than a climate scientist does in a year?

The shame of the climate denial phase the American church is going through right now is that it is is part of the anti-intellectualism of the American church, and a really poor witness to the truth.

As it becomes clearer and clearer that America is suffering the results of climate change in decades to come, and some other nations actually collapse from various climate stressors, the reputation of the American church that denied all this is going to be squarely on the wrong side of history. I don't think it's and exaggeration to say future generations, and even young people coming through now, will look at climate deniers in the same way we look back at slave traders!

And the other shame is that MAGA are missed from the actual conversation about what to do about all this, given the fact that it's true.

Politics used to be disagreeing about what policies would solve the challenges of the day. When did the conservative right decide that reality was negotiable with opinion? That facts were optional? That science was the enemy?

America really has lost her way.

David Lamb said:

Yes, but don't you see? You have to assume that NASA is deceptive in order to say that Satan is behind NASA. I asked you for evidence that NASA is deceptive.

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Well NASA do certainly deceive Dave . They’ve been promoting evolution and billions of years like forever.

Apple Sky said:

I reckon I already have many times on this thread.

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This thread is well over 3,000 messages long. Surely you are not suggesting I read through the whole thread to find the posts with your supposed evidence?

Guojing said:

But Romans 10 is about Israel, so still not about us gentiles in the Body of Christ.

If you don't believe me, you can start from Romans 10:1, who is Paul addressing?

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I hope you may see looking back further and fuller, gives a better consideration, that all the world had to receive all of the scriptures, it is not a complicated thing, Israel is Israel, and the Gentiles are the Gentiles, God gave HIs Son to save the world, not one particular part of it, but all nations as said to Abraham.

What as told to Noah to build the ark, ( REMEMBER YOU COMPARED THIS.) was just to Noah, but it ALSO became for all people, that is WHY Noah is the HEIR of the righteousness which is by faith, so all believe as Noah did and DO as Noah did, to believe in the grace of the Lord to be saved, so Noah through that belief condemned the old world, but God sent HIs Son not to condemn the world, but to save them, and we see the saving in the building of the ark, is the same saving that was done through Noah being the heir of that righteousness which is by faith.

The promises given to Israel became to all, the same as we see in Noah that, that instruction, became the same instruction/belief/savin method, to ALL. ( SAVED BY WATER/the ark./baptism..)




Hebrews 11:7 By faith Noah, being warned of God of things not seen as yet, moved with fear, prepared an ark to the saving of his house; by the which he condemned the world, and became heir of the righteousness which is by faith.

John 3:17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

1 Peter 3:20 Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.
21 The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:
22 Who is gone into heaven, and is on the right hand of God; angels and authorities and powers being made subject unto him.

David Lamb said:

No, I have no reason to do so. I am not the one saying that NASA is deceptive. You are, so it is down to you to provide the evidence.

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I reckon I already have many times on this thread.

Apple Sky said:

We can't all be in the know

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Sorry, I'm not sure what you mean. That may be my fault, hence the apology.

David Lamb said:

So it's down to what "rings true" to you? To believe the things you do, (no moon landings, no visits to South Pole, Antarctica surrounding the earth, flat earth and the rest) you have to believe that literally millions of people are lying. That includes some of your brothers and sisters in Christ.

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We can't all be in the know

Apple Sky said:

There's plenty, of evidence just seek and you will find.

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No, I have no reason to do so. I am not the one saying that NASA is deceptive. You are, so it is down to you to provide the evidence.

Apple Sky said:

You can believe what you like but this doesn't ring true to me.

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So it's down to what "rings true" to you? To believe the things you do, (no moon landings, no visits to South Pole, Antarctica surrounding the earth, flat earth and the rest) you have to believe that literally millions of people are lying. That includes some of your brothers and sisters in Christ.

David Lamb said:

I asked you for evidence that NASA is deceptive.

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There's plenty, of evidence just seek and you will find.

Stopped_lurking said:

I guess it is a bit ambiguous. No, I mean't some sort of reality outside of the person. Dare I say, not objective reality?

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OK, then I'll continue as I was going to continue and agree with you.

David Lamb said:

I would just point out that there are plenty of Christians who believe the ear to be a globe, and don't doubt the truth of the moon landings, who would say as you do that the earth is not billions of years old.

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David of course there be plenty of Christians that believe in a globe. I like Big globe balls I might be one of them too. You never did ask : ) as to the other two questions I think have replied to previously

Guojing said:

Because to enter the promised kingdom for Israel, obeying the Law was required.

When God commanded obedience of the Law of Moses, when you obey what he commanded, you show that you have faith.

It is that faith that saves you, in the end.

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Just a little background first, I am not with the churches of this whole world, and never was, I do not agree to what anyone says of their own opinion, and that way it may be easier to trace whether you said all correctly, that obedience to the law of Moses showed faith for Israel, or f it must be something other than what you concluded. ( it wont be offensive, it has to be what is concluded by those of Israel in the tesstimonies of the Lord.)


How did entrance into the promised kingdom of Israel occur, was it how God had driven out the heathen with His hand, afflicted those people and cast them out, that it was not by Israels own sword, or own arm, that saved them, but Gods right hand, and His arm, and the light of His countenance as He had a FAVOUR unto them. (To CONFIRM/FULFIL THE PROMISES made unto the fathers. (Romans 15:8-12. Psalm 18:43-50.)

That FAVOUR unto Israel must be important, as it is the very reason how entrance into the kingdom of Israel was achieved.

Reading in the same chapter of Psalm 44, (if that is OK ass this is your own statements/questioning we are tracing.) we are reminded of the scripture as in Romans 8:36, which is here in Psalm 44:22, and the context is of the affliction then on Israel, their soul bowed down, and the prayer ( of David) for God to arise for Israels help, to redeem Israel for the Lords mercies sake. (the same as how they entered into the kingdom of Israel/by the Lords Favour.)



Psalm 44:2 How thou didst drive out the heathen with thy hand, and plantedst them; how thou didst afflict the people, and cast them out.
3 For they got not the land in possession by their own sword, neither did their own arm save them: but thy right hand, and thine arm, and the light of thy countenance, because thou hadst a favour unto them.

Psalm 44:22 Yea, for thy sake are we killed all the day long; we are counted as sheep for the slaughter.
23 Awake, why sleepest thou, O Lord? arise, cast us not off for ever.
24 Wherefore hidest thou thy face, and forgettest our affliction and our oppression?
25 For our soul is bowed down to the dust: our belly cleaveth unto the earth.
26 Arise for our help, and redeem us for thy mercies' sake.


SING unto the Lord, all His saints, HIs anger endures but for a moment, IN HIS FAVOUR IS LIFE, by the Lors Favour David prays his mountain will stand strong. ( I SHALL NEVER BE MOVED.) the Lord had hidden His face and David (as seen, with all of Israel) was troubled.

David gives supplication that there is no profit for him to remain dead in the grave, then there is no praise, for the Lord to hear and to have mercy upon David, (and Israel.) and that the Lord has turned his mourning into dancing, to the end that he may SING PRAISES unto God, to give thanks unto the Lord his God for ever.




Psalm 30:4 Sing unto the Lord, O ye saints of his, and give thanks at the remembrance of his holiness.
5 For his anger endureth but a moment; in his favour is life: weeping may endure for a night, but joy cometh in the morning.
6 And in my prosperity I said, I shall never be moved.
7 Lord, by thy favour thou hast made my mountain to stand strong: thou didst hide thy face, and I was troubled.
8 I cried to thee, O Lord; and unto the Lord I made supplication.
9 What profit is there in my blood, when I go down to the pit? Shall the dust praise thee? shall it declare thy truth?
10 Hear, O Lord, and have mercy upon me: Lord, be thou my helper.
11 Thou hast turned for me my mourning into dancing: thou hast put off my sackcloth, and girded me with gladness;
12 To the end that my glory may sing praise to thee, and not be silent. O Lord my God, I will give thanks unto thee for ever.




The prayer again is will the Lord cast off for ever, will He be Favourable no more ? Is His mercy gone for ever, HIs promise to fail for evermore ? Has God forgotten to be gracious, has He in His anger (against Israel.) shut up HIs tender mercies.

David meditates on the work and doing of the Lord, HIs way is in the sanctuary, that He is the God who does wonders, who DECLARED HIs strength among the people. (of Israel.) and has redeemed HIs people, the sons of Jacob and Joseph.




Psalm 77:7 Will the Lord cast off for ever? and will he be favourable no more?
8 Is his mercy clean gone for ever? doth his promise fail for evermore?
9 Hath God forgotten to be gracious? hath he in anger shut up his tender mercies? Selah.

Psalm 77:12 I will meditate also of all thy work, and talk of thy doings.
13 Thy way, O God, is in the sanctuary: who is so great a God as our God?
14 Thou art the God that doest wonders: thou hast declared thy strength among the people.
15 Thou hast with thine arm redeemed thy people, the sons of Jacob and Joseph. Selah.



Notice it is written for HIs sake we are accounted as sheep for the slaughter, for HIs sake we are killed all the day long. If the Gentiles receive the same affliction, it may not be to cast the heathen out of the land of Israel any more, but it my be the affliction that came onto the people of Israel, as God delivered up His Son for us all, that was what was declared in the gospel, to the world, it is God that justifies, ( THROUGH FAITH, THROUGH FAVOUR, THROUGH MERCIES, THROUGH HIS OWN RIGHT ARM/THROUGH CHRIST/THROUGH THE OBEDIENCE OF CHRIST, AND OF NO OTHER CRUCIFIED FOR US.) We CONQUER through HIM THAT LOVED US. (GOD SO LOVED THE WORLD.)



John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

Romans 8:32 He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not with him also freely give us all things?
33 Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth.
34 Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.
35 Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword?
36 As it is written, For thy sake we are killed all the day long; we are accounted as sheep for the slaughter.
37 Nay, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him that loved us.

1 Corinthians 1:13 Is Christ divided? was Paul crucified for you? or were ye baptized in the name of Paul?




Remember this is not offence, you can take it or leave it, I am not affiliated with any Christian denomination, or even any person, it is only as what is testified TO THIS WORLD.

Apostle Paul reiterates how Jesus Christ was a minister of the circumcision (of Israel.) to confirm the promises made unto the fathers, and that the Gentiles might glorify God FOR HIS MERCIES.

Of the SINGING unto the Lord's name, confess to Him among the Gentiles. (Heathen.)

Rejoice you Gentiles, (REJOICE OH YOU NATIONS.) WITH HIS PEOPLE.

Praise the Lord ALL YOU GENTILES, and LAUD Him, ALL YOU PEOPLE.

A root of Jesse, He that shall RISE to REIGN over the Gentiles, in Him shall the Gentiles trust.




Romans 15:8 Now I say that Jesus Christ was a minister of the circumcision for the truth of God, to confirm the promises made unto the fathers:
9 And that the Gentiles might glorify God for his mercy; as it is written, For this cause I will confess to thee among the Gentiles, and sing unto thy name.
10 And again he saith, Rejoice, ye Gentiles, with his people.
11 And again, Praise the Lord, all ye Gentiles; and laud him, all ye people.
12 And again, Esaias saith, There shall be a root of Jesse, and he that shall rise to reign over the Gentiles; in him shall the Gentiles trust.

Deuteronomy 32:43 Rejoice, O ye nations, with his people: for he will avenge the blood of his servants, and will render vengeance to his adversaries, and will be merciful unto his land, and to his people.

2 Samuel 22:50 Therefore I will give thanks unto thee, O Lord, among the heathen, and I will sing praises unto thy name.

Isaiah 11:10 And in that day there shall be a root of Jesse, which shall STAND for AN ENSIGN OF THE PEOPLE; to it shall THE GENTILES SEEK: and his rest shall be glorious.

Psalm 18:43 Thou hast DELIVERED ME FROM THE STRIVINGS OF THE PEOPLE; and thou hast MADE ME THE HEAD OF THE HEATHE: a people whom I have not known SHALL SERVE ME.
44 As soon AS SOON AS THEY HEAR OF ME, they SHALL OBEY ME: the strangers shall SUBMIT THEMSELVES UNTO ME.

Psalm 18:47 It is God that AVENGETH ME, and SUBDUETH THE PEOPLE UNDER ME.
48 He DELIVERETH ME FROM MINE ENEMIES: yea, thou LIFTEST ME UP ABOVE those that rise up against me: thou HAST DELIVERED ME from the violent man.
49 THEREFORE WILL I GIVE THAKS UNTO THEE, O Lord, AMONG THE HEATHEN, and SING PRAISES UNTO THY NAME.
50 GREAT DELIVERANCE GIVETH HE TO HIS KING; and sheweth MDRCY TO HIS ANNOINTED, TO DAVID, and TO HIS SEED FOR EVERMORE.




Finally, for now, look at Psalm 106 for a moment, of the keeping of judgment and doing righteousness at all times to be blessed.

The fathers of the children of Israel, who had the promises given to the fathers, confirmed by Jesus Christ ministering unto them, never understood the Lords wonders in Egypt, and did not remember the multitude of HIs mercies, provoking the Lord at the red sea, NEVERTHELESS, he saved them FOR HIS NAME'S SAKE, that He might make HIs power to be known.

The people of Israel believed the Lord Gods words; they sang his praise, but they soon forgot his works; and didn't wait for HIs counsel, they listed in the wilderness, tempting God, God sent leanness into their soul

God spoke about destroying the children of Israel in entirety, Moses Gods chosen stood in the breach to turn away the wrath of the Lord, the people of Israel DESPISED the PLEASANT LAND, they BELIEVED NOT HIS WORD, murmured and did not listen to the voice of the Lord.




Psalm 106:3 Blessed are they that keep judgment, and he that doeth righteousness at all times.

Psalm 106:7 Our fathers understood not thy wonders in Egypt; they remembered not the multitude of thy mercies; but provoked him at the sea, even at the Red sea.
8 Nevertheless he saved them for his name's sake, that he might make his mighty power to be known.

Psalm 106:12 Then believed they his words; they sang his praise.
13 They soon forgat his works; they waited not for his counsel:
14 But lusted exceedingly in the wilderness, and tempted God in the desert.
15 And he gave them their request; but sent leanness into their soul.

Psalm 106:23 Therefore he said that he would destroy them, had not Moses his chosen stood before him in the breach, to turn away his wrath, lest he should destroy them.
24 Yea, they despised the pleasant land, they believed not his word:
25 But murmured in their tents, and hearkened not unto the voice of the Lord.





Remember also this is only in answer to your words how the people of Israel entered the kingdom of Israel by obedience, of the commandments, of faith.

Exodus recalls for the world the Lord testified of the people of Israel being a stiffnecked people, and to make of Moses a great nation.

Moses rightly recalls how the Lord had brought HIs people out of the land of Egypt, with great power, with a MIGHTY HAND, and then the Egyptians could say the Lord took them out of the land of Egypt to slay them in the wilderness. For the Lord to do this for Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, (Israel.) HIs servants, to who the Lord swore (gave the promises) to give the land ( Promised land the people of Israel despised) unto their seed, to inherit it for ever.

Now we see the entrance into the land of Israel, was indeed by the hand of the angel, to drive out the inhebitants of the land, and the Lord would not go up in the middle of them, declaring again they are a stiffnecked people, and unless He consumes them (all) in the way.)




Exodus 32:9 And the Lord said unto Moses, I have seen this people, and, behold, it is a stiffnecked people:
10 Now therefore let me alone, that my wrath may wax hot against them, and that I may consume them: and I will make of thee a great nation.
11 And Moses besought the Lord his God, and said, Lord, why doth thy wrath wax hot against thy people, which thou hast brought forth out of the land of Egypt with great power, and with a mighty hand?
12 Wherefore should the Egyptians speak, and say, For mischief did he bring them out, to slay them in the mountains, and to consume them from the face of the earth? Turn from thy fierce wrath, and repent of this evil against thy people.
13 Remember Abraham, Isaac, and Israel, thy servants, to whom thou swarest by thine own self, and saidst unto them, I will multiply your seed as the stars of heaven, and all this land that I have spoken of will I give unto your seed, and they shall inherit it for ever.
14 And the Lord repented of the evil which he thought to do unto his people.

Exodus 33:1 And the Lord said unto Moses, Depart, and go up hence, thou and the people which thou hast brought up out of the land of Egypt, unto the land which I sware unto Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob, saying, Unto thy seed will I give it:
2 And I will send an angel before thee; and I will drive out the Canaanite, the Amorite, and the Hittite, and the Perizzite, the Hivite, and the Jebusite:
3 Unto a land flowing with milk and honey: for I will not go up in the midst of thee; for thou art a stiffnecked people: lest I consume thee in the way.

David Lamb said:

The follow a curved path to start with, as they orbit the earth. Then, when they reach the necessary speed, they head off to the moon.

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You can believe what you like but this doesn't ring true to me.

Apple Sky said:

Satan is behind all these deceptive organisations, you only have to read about Albert Pike.

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Yes, but don't you see? You have to assume that NASA is deceptive in order to say that Satan is behind NASA. I asked you for evidence that NASA is deceptive.