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NxNW · Sep 11, 2025

A New Dawn said:
The right doesn’t do things like that. The right doesn’t label their political opponents such hateful things as Nazis or racists or deplorables or garbage, the way the leftist leaders have done.

Of course you do.

A New Dawn said:
The right doesn’t say people need to be taken out the way the left does.

Of course you do.

A New Dawn said:
The right doesn’t tell their followers to follow around and harass the left and scream at them in public places the way the left does.

Of course you do.

A New Dawn said:
The right doesn’t create fake hate hoaxes to lay blame on an entire political party the way the left does.

Of course you do.

A New Dawn said:
But I suppose, theoretically, sure. The same applies to the right.

The violence and hate speech and threats comes mostly from the right.

DaisyDay · Sep 11, 2025

Zaha Torte said:
Yes - mail-in ballots have been around for a long time (absentees) - but it wasn't until COVID that the State pushed for it en masse.

Which has nothing to do with Trump's voting by mail. When you say "the State", which state are you referring to? Colorado has had primarily mail-in since 2014, Oregon since 2000, and Washington State since 2012 with some other states post-covi

Zaha Torte said:
Obama and Biden also advocated for redistricting. They claimed that it was to "prevent gerrymandering" - but that doesn't make it any less redistricting.

Redistricting is supposed to be done every ten years after the census figures come it. Trump specifically called for Texas to gerrymander for his own political benefit, not for the nation's.

Zaha Torte said:
Districts should make sense - they shouldn't be weird loops and snakes or whatever just to make more Democrat seats that no one wants and does not reflect reality.

Or, presumably, more Republican seats? Trump asked Gov. Abbott to find him more seats.

Zaha Torte said:
Almost 40% of California's registered voters are Republicans - yet they only have 9 of the 52 seats.

And, thanks to Trump's provocation and Newsom's tit for tat, they may have even fewer seats.

Perhaps we could address the problem by ranked voting? You can't make registered votes vote only for the candidate of their own party (outside certain states that limit who can vote in a primary).

tampasteve · Sep 11, 2025

Jerry N. said:
Does that mean that the Coptic Church is not Christian, or those who agreed with Arius before 381 where not Christians?

Coptic Christians agree with the Nicene creed, they didn't split from the Church until 435 at Chalcedon. No, Arians are not Christians.

The Liturgist · Sep 11, 2025

hedrick said:
I think officially the whole Presbytery (the assembly, not the geographical region) is our equivalent of a bishop.

In Orthodoxy it would be equivalent to the Holy Synod of a local church.

The Liturgist · Sep 11, 2025

prodromos said:
If they continued in their erroneous belief after the Church had made it clear it was heresy, yes.

Indeed, which the Church did in 325. Then Eusebius of Nicomedia converted the heir of St. Constantine, Emperor Constantius, which began a persecution of Christians by the Roman Empire that lasted until 386 when St. Ambrose held his nerve when the orthodox emperor St. Theodosius was intimidated into trying to giving a Christian church in Milan over to the Arians. He made up for this by banning Arianism, but it lived on among the Gothic people who persecuted Christians for centuries before the heresy finally died, which happened in part due to the conversion of the remaining Visigoths to Islam.

A New Dawn · Sep 11, 2025

7thKeeper said:
Well, it's kinda correct. Though more accurately, the US society as a whole doesn't care. Considering the amount of school shootings and dead children witnessed over the past quarter century with nothing done about the matter besides "thoughts and prayers" every single time, yeah, it's pretty obvious that dead children don't actually matter, at least enough that something be done about the matter.

No, it is purely the fault of the left by placing the children in the position of being vulnerable while it is the position of the right that they should be protected the way Congress persons and judges are protected. That just shows how little the left believes in safety for children.

NxNW · Sep 11, 2025

A New Dawn said:
Obviously, from what happened yesterday, that’s the left’s belief on the subject.

I wasn't aware they caught the shooter.

But in the recent past, I've seen right-wingers try to assassinate Trump, attempted to overthrow the government, tried to kill Pence, Pelosi, as well as committing the four shootings in MN.

7thKeeper · Sep 11, 2025

A New Dawn said:
What’s ridiculous is your suggestion that the right doesn’t care about children

Well, it's kinda correct. Though more accurately, the US society as a whole doesn't care. Considering the amount of school shootings and dead children witnessed over the past quarter century with nothing done about the matter besides "thoughts and prayers" every single time, yeah, it's pretty obvious that dead children don't actually matter, at least enough that something be done about the matter.

The Liturgist · Sep 11, 2025

Jerry N. said:
Does that mean that the Coptic Church is not Christian, or those who agreed with Arius before 381 where not Christians?

The Copts and other Oriental Orthodox are Nicene Christians who agree with every doctrine I enumerated and which are one of two Oriental Orthodox churches to have a formal intercommunion agreement with their Eastern Orthodox counterpart. I don’t know what would make you think otherwise. I regard them as fully Orthodox and regularly attend their service.

As for Arians, no, they are not Christian - anyone in the Church of Alexandria who comitted to follow Arius after he was anathematized was rejecting the Incarnation and separating themselves from the faithful, and likewise anyone from anywhere else who embraced his doctrine after the Council of Nicaea anethematized Arius and Arianism in 325 AD is Arian and not Christian. Thus, J/Ws while not followers of Arius, are still not Christian since they agree with and promote his doctrine.

prodromos · Sep 11, 2025

Jerry N. said:
Does that mean that the Coptic Church is not Christian

How does that follow?

Jerry N. said:
or those who agreed with Arius before 381 where not Christians?

If they continued in their erroneous belief after the Church had made it clear it was heresy, yes.

NxNW · Sep 11, 2025

A New Dawn said:
Yes, there is. It is the left who is pushing the agenda to leave the kids vulnerable by not agreeing to the same protections that Congress persons or judges enjoy.

There is no such agenda.

A New Dawn · Sep 11, 2025

NxNW said:
Speech is terrorism, got it.

Obviously, from what happened yesterday, that’s the left’s belief on the subject.

NxNW · Sep 11, 2025

rjs330 said:
Charlie did NOT contribute to the toxicity. He was a counter to it. All you had to do is watch him discuss things with students and you saw how he brought clarity and truth to the conversations.

Some of Kirk's "clarity and truth":

"If I see a Black pilot, I'm going to be like, 'Boy, I hope he's qualified.'"

"Three weeks ago — if we would’ve said that Joy Reid, and Michelle Obama, and Sheila Jackson Lee, and Ketanji Brown Jackson were affirmative action picks, we would’ve been called the racist. But now they’re coming out and they’re saying, ‘I’m only here because of affirmative action.’ Yeah. We know you do not have the brain processing power to otherwise be taken really seriously. You had to go steal a white person’s slot to go be taken somewhat seriously.”

rjs330 said:
Charlie died because of the toxicity of people who would vilify this man and inflame the hatred for him and the things he stood for.

We can see in his own words what he stood for.

cingolani_c · Sep 11, 2025

Nine Eleven

On September eleven
when it happened
while we watched
we could not help thinking about
our own thin brick walls
left standing around us
here, in the heartland.

Walled in between
panic and gratitude
we sat gaping,
not noticing
how our helpless tears
would not stop falling.

tampasteve · Sep 11, 2025

ADMIN HAT ON
Let's keep politics out of this thread, there are plenty of threads about that already.
ADMIN HAT OFF

prodromos · Sep 11, 2025

Larniavc said:
Was he not talking about school shootings in that discussion?

Did he say the words you put in his mouth or not?

A New Dawn · Sep 11, 2025

NxNW said:
There is no such stance.

Yes, there is. It is the left who is pushing the agenda to leave the kids vulnerable by not agreeing to the same protections that Congress persons or judges enjoy.

Stopped_lurking · Sep 11, 2025

Tuur said:
That seems to be the trend. That said, in the ancient days when I was in college, there was a strong political divide between various departments. Go over to the English department, and it was decidedly liberal. Go over to the math and sciences, and it was decidedly conservative. In between it was a mix. My guess is that political leanings are doing to depend on the type of degree, and much of that more by association with various political viewpoint. Back then, there was very little outright indoctrination and maybe more that someone a student respected had this view point of that view point. Thus a survey about political leanings depends more of the degrees of those who were asked and who responded. "Who responded" is important because some in the more conservative fields wouldn't bother with a survey in the first place.

I thought the one I quoted was trying to use the link to tell the opposite story and couldn't get it straightened out in my head. To your second point, do we have any actual data if that effect would be larger for democrat or republican leaning respondents? Or across academic fields? If it is a general effect, it can be accounted for I guess.

Larniavc · Sep 11, 2025

DaisyDay said:
Evergreen CO is not a city and the high school is not "in our inner cities" so what are you on about?

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Did that school work as a prison before getting the education gig?

Bob Crowley · Sep 11, 2025

Some saints have had visions of heaven. Saint John Bosco was one.

He claimed that he could not describe the music as it was so overpowering.

What do the saints say heaven is like?

Several saints have had visions of heaven. The first thing they all say is that heaven is indescribable—that no human language can successfully convey even a shadow of what they saw in their vision. Any attempt would fall short of the amazing reality. However, they do attempt to describe for us...

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St. John Bosco:
“As I stood there basking in the splendor of those gardens, I suddenly heard music most sweet—so delightful and enchanting a melody that I could never adequately describe it…[T]he singers not only took the deepest pleasure in singing but also received vast joy in listening to the others…and this was their song: ‘Salvation, honor and glory to Almighty God and Father…the Creator who was, who is and who will come to judge the living and the dead forever and ever.’”

We need to bear in mind that the changing musical landscape of modern life is a flash in the pan compared to the time that has already elapsed, and possibly will elapse, and our musical fads aren't going to have much impact on God's music.

As CS Lewis wrote somewhere "If God wants music, He won't ask us for it" or words to that effect.

In heaven everything will be transcended, whether we're talking about music, natural beauty, "mansions" or charity.

prodromos · Sep 11, 2025

Fr Josiah from the Antiochian Orthodox Church in Riverside, California has posted a beautiful eulogy for Chaarlie
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A New Dawn · Sep 11, 2025

Nithavela said:
Would you extend the same attitude towards people on the right who do the same things?

The right doesn’t do things like that. The right doesn’t label their political opponents such hateful things as Nazis or racists or deplorables or garbage, the way the leftist leaders have done. The right doesn’t say people need to be taken out the way the left does. The right doesn’t tell their followers to follow around and harass the left and scream at them in public places the way the left does. The right doesn’t create fake hate hoaxes to lay blame on an entire political party the way the left does.

But I suppose, theoretically, sure. The same applies to the right.

Larniavc · Sep 11, 2025

Zaha Torte said:
No - only self-centered Godless people.

Being Godless or not has zero to do with one’s feelings on this matter.

Freth · Sep 11, 2025

I've been watching the thread since it started yesterday. I keep trying to find the words to write, but they aren't flowing.

Two things:

Charlie didn't deserve to die.
Vengeance is God's alone.

Matthew 12:36 But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment.

Isaiah 5:20-24 Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter! Woe unto them that are wise in their own eyes, and prudent in their own sight! Woe unto them that are mighty to drink wine, and men of strength to mingle strong drink [untruth, false doctrine; Isaiah 28:5-13]: Which justify the wicked for reward, and take away the righteousness of the righteous from him! Therefore as the fire devoureth the stubble, and the flame consumeth the chaff, so their root shall be as rottenness, and their blossom shall go up as dust: because they have cast away the law of the Lord of hosts, and despised the word of the Holy One of Israel.

Larniavc · Sep 11, 2025

prodromos said:
No he didn't. He said "some deaths". He never said "dead kids" in any of the interviews I've seen. If he did, then post the evidence, otherwise you should retract your vile assertion.

Was he not talking about school shootings in that discussion?

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