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Illegal Immigration
- By eclipsenow
- American Politics
- 358 Replies
Your attempts at brushing aside these studies are humorous exercises in magic hand waving words.
I'm sad that you seem to believe them.
You have not even looked at the studies to see how they gathered their data - and whose data is being analysed
They don't - they work had, generated GDP for America, and generate LESS crime than American born citizens.
Incorrect again. The USA ratified the UN protocol on refugees and is bound under international law to process them with all due diligence to determine their claim for asylum. Anyone with half a teaspoon of compassion should watch some of the documentaries about people feeing Central America after their coffee crops failed and they could not pay 'protection' money to the local mafia. Their teenage daughters are being captured and sold into the sex trade - and then Donald Trump accuses the families fleeing these situations of being rapists and terrorists and scum and 'poisoning the blood'. All they want is their daughters back. All they want is to mourn what they have lost, work hard, be safe, and protect their remaining children. Then masked men turn up and grab them and split apart their families in some cases! And the Christian right celebrate this atrocity?
You simply cannot call them illegal until they have been properly and fairly processed. I do not think that's going to happen under Donald Trump's privatised ICE-army system where the financial incentive is to grab and nab people and keep them behind bars.
The international legal position on this matter is clear. The US must permit entry and afford refuge to anyone it has recognised as a refugee or to whom it has granted asylum. Moreover, it cannot return any person to a country where she or he may suffer torture or other persecution. No ifs, no buts, no qualifications on national security.
Merkel will have reminded Trump that the United States is a party to the 1967 Protocol Relating to the Status of Refugees. This prescribed the continuing application of the 1951 Convention relating to the status of refugees which was adopted to address the aftermath of World War II. That original convention was agreed in Geneva so it is sometimes referred to as the Geneva Convention.
As the US voluntarily accepted the 1967 protocol to the refugee convention, it is legally obliged to implement it. Despite Trump’s personal complaints about these “rules”, all other states party to the protocol and convention can legitimately expect the US to comply – hence the expressions of dismay from other heads of state as Trump announced his executive order...
..."Owing to well-founded fear of being persecuted for reasons of race, religion, nationality, membership of a particular social group or political opinion, is outside the country of his nationality and is unable or, owing to such fear, is unwilling to avail himself of the protection of that country; or who, not having a nationality and being outside the country of his former habitual residence as a result of such events, is unable or, owing to such fear, is unwilling to return to it."
States can recognise that refugee status either when the person presents themselves to the state seeking sanctuary (such as at an embassy, airport or port) or when the person enters a state illegally then seeks sanctuary. The US has a longstanding system of recognising refugees before they travel to the country (such as in refugee camps) through the US Refugee Admission Programme. Once in the country, refugees can be expelled on grounds of national security but they should be allowed to seek refuge elsewhere before being deported.
Comment: The Geneva Convention for beginners and world leaders
Writing for The Conversation, Professor Rhona Smith explains the guiding principles of the Geneva Convention.
www.ncl.ac.uk
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There’s a Giant Flaw in Human History
- By stevevw
- Physical & Life Sciences
- 1083 Replies
Yes this is the one that Unsigned.io questioned and could not guarentee their results. But we just don't know. So its neither fake nor authentic at this stage. The numbers certainly add up.
What you don't realise with all yhis moral outrage of private and provedence is that a large percentage of works in museums are from private collections. Which shows your moral outrage is based on assumption.
Also due to your hard skepticism you completely dismiss the vase based on one piece of information. In other words you jump the gun in grabbing any little negative that will prop your skepticism and once again bias things.
There are a number of good reasons why the OG vase is authentic. As mentioned why would someone go to all the trouble of producing such a vase in the 1960s when this was a specialist machining which was rare and expensive.
This particular vase is so thin that light can reflect through its walls. Granite becomes super brittle when thinned and is a high specialist skill. In the 60's the idea of precision vases was not even on the radar as far as known like today or of any value. A vase made near enough would do. People did not worry about such precision.
Third the vase matches almost exact to other authentic vases and has the same signatures.
But you bypass all this as soon as you find one little chink lol. Its out the door. No further consideration or possibility it could be authentic. You quickly jump on the fake side.
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The Harm Caused by Excessive Criticism of the Roman Catholic Church and Other Denominations
- By HARK!
- Denomination Specific Theology
- 312 Replies
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There’s a Giant Flaw in Human History
- By stevevw
- Physical & Life Sciences
- 1083 Replies
The OG vase can be traced back to 1968.
Thin Walled Red Granite Vase (Precision/Consistent w/Machining)
The original vase was created from a single block of red granite (stone). It is extraordinarily precise and has incredibly thin walls. Light from a flashlight easily passes through the walls. Experts dated the original vase to Egypt in the predynastic period, 3500BC - 3100BC. Fayez Barakat, owner of Barakat Galleries, states that he purchased it from the private collection of Teddy Kollek in 1968.
Thin Walled Red Granite Vase (Precision/Consistent w/Machining)
Thin Walled Red Granite Vase (Precision) The original vase was created from a single block of red granite (stone). It is extraordinarily precise and has incredibly thin walls. Light from a flashlight easily passes through the walls. Experts dated the original vase to Egypt in the predynastic...
www.ancientstonevases.com
So what about consciousness, the experiential aspect of reality. Phenomenal beliefs. Does not this aspect give us knowledge of reality that material science cannot explain because this is a qualitative aspect of reality and not an objective and empiracle aspect. Yet it is as real as the physical.
The metrology done by Maximus was also done on the Naqada vases and several fell in the precise class.
Precision of the Naqada Period Stone Vessels
Abstract
I analyzed 3D scans of 19 Naqada period stone vessels from the Petrie Museum of Egyptian and Sudanese Archaeology using the same algorithm and code as for Matt Beall’s collection. The analysis clearly shows that the examined Predynastic stone vessels were crafted with technical sophistication comparable to modern technology. The remarkable precision of the stone vessels, which starkly contrasts with the capabilities of late Neolithic societies, suggests these artifacts originate from a previously unrecognized, technologically advanced culture capable of rotational accuracy rivaling modern tools.
Precision of the Naqada Period Stone Vessels
Abstract I analyzed 3D scans of 19 Naqada period stone vessels from the Petrie Museum of Egyptian and Sudanese Archaeology using the same algorithm and code as for Matt Beall’s collection. Th…
maximus.energy
Ok so if they are made during the Naqada period then how do you explain the advanced machining signatures and precision in a Meolithic time before the potters wheel. Let alone sophisticated lathing.
How do you explain that everything about the Naqada culture is Neolithic and primitive. They made pottery by the coil method because there was no wheel. We find many of these vases also.
Was there two completely different levels of pottery and stone working in the same culture. Why was not this advanced tech reflected in anything else the Naqada people did. Their huts and structures are basic and simple as we would expect for a Neolithic people.
Vases of this quality being found in a Neolithic culture would be on par with finding a precision NASA part in 1800.
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