Hvizsgyak said:

A very good example of what you said is the belief in the Theory of Evolution. Here we have a bunch of scientists who have put together this theory and the world (not really adept in biology and genetics) are forced to believe the theory (through it being taught in science classes at schools). Thank goodness there are scientists who are now coming forward and exposing the holes in the Theory of Evolution.

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Which this is relative to the OP question of moral obligation to investigate truth. Darwinian theory of evolution can only be "true" in a universe where absolute truth that's knowable doesn't actually exist. To admit that absolute truth (or even truth in general) is knowable, even if not known absolutely; is to ultimately concede to the reality of intelligent design. As truth actually can not exist in a random universe.

FreeinChrist said:

Probably. There will be Republicans too if they are not all redacted out. A DOJ aide was caught on tape mentioning that.

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I guess the main reason neither Biden admin nor Trump admin have released is because it would be damaging to both sides.

Amo2 said:

It is not and has not ever been observed.

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We see it going on in populations constantly. Perhaps you don't know what the scientific definition of biological evolution is. What do you think it is?

Amo2 said:

I find the idea that the incomprehensible level of complexity we see among living things and even their environment, are most certainly far beyond the realm of random chance events to bring about.

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Darwin's great discovery is that it isn't by random chance. What you don't know about it, is holding you back from the truth.

Amo2 said:

I believe logic dictates that we exist by design.

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Evidence shows your belief is wrong. In fact, engineers have found that evolutionary processes are more efficient at solving very complex problems than design would be. God, being omniscient, simply chose the best way to do it. Now, man is starting to catch on. Engineers use genetic algorithms that copy evolution to solve many difficult problems. This might seem wrong to humans, but...

Isa 55:8 For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the LORD. 9 For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts.

Amo2 said:

After which I do not see any reason to try and bring the God proclaimed by scripture down to my level by rejecting the idea that He could not have performed the task in six days

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He could have done anything. But He chose the processes we observe. We know that the creation story is not a literal history, because in one chapter it says six days and in another chapter it says one day.

Amo2 said:

Why would I need to disprove a theory which has never been proven? It is not and has not ever been observed. Then there is the subject of exactly what you mean by evolution, as there are different views regarding it. Change happens. Species can and do adapt to differing environments. This is observed. Whether this is a built in product of design, or the result of deep time slow or sporadic rapid evolutions from simple to complex, cannot be observed. We were not there. Nor do we observe any such events within recorded histories.

I find the idea that the incomprehensible level of complexity we see among living things and even their environment, are most certainly far beyond the realm of random chance events to bring about. Such an idea seems absolutely ludicrous to me. Apart from divine and or some kind of intelligent intervention or guidance, such is pretty much simply impossible. I believe logic dictates that we exist by design. After which I do not see any reason to try and bring the God proclaimed by scripture down to my level by rejecting the idea that He could not have performed the task in six days as scripture plainly states, which also indicate this took place around six thousand years ago.

Isa 55:8 For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the LORD. 9 For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts. 10 For as the rain cometh down, and the snow from heaven, and returneth not thither, but watereth the earth, and maketh it bring forth and bud, that it may give seed to the sower, and bread to the eater: 11 So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it.

Heb 4:12 For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart. 13 Neither is there any creature that is not manifest in his sight: but all things are naked and opened unto the eyes of him with whom we have to do.

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So you're not saying you can disprove the ToE, you just don't agree with it. Just like with you and I having different views on interpretation of parts of scripture, that's totally fine with me. It really makes no difference to me if you don't agree with the ToE or any other conclusion from science.

Valletta said:

That's quite a story, and judging people with a lot of speculation. Leave the judging to Jesus. You would do well to study the life of Saint Gregory the Great and Saint Benedict and the monks that came after them.

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Deny all the recorded history it pleases you to deny, and look at only that which pleases you. I am of course not making you read these posts, nor are stating recorded and verified facts of history just telling stories. I am not denying that there have been good Christinas of every denomination in the past. Just pointing out the abuses of a great many of them as well, and the main problem connected to such abuses and persecutions, in churches which unite with the state. They are apostate in seeking and establishing relations with the powers that be of this world, in the place of the Holy Spirit of God by way of conviction and conversion.

Jas 4:1 From whence come wars and fightings among you? come they not hence, even of your lusts that war in your members? 2 Ye lust, and have not: ye kill, and desire to have, and cannot obtain: ye fight and war, yet ye have not, because ye ask not. 3 Ye ask, and receive not, because ye ask amiss, that ye may consume it upon your lusts. 4 Ye adulterers and adulteresses, know ye not that the friendship of the world is enmity with God? whosoever therefore will be a friend of the world is the enemy of God.

How much more a friend of the world can one become, than to have illicit spiritual relations with the ones running it, or worse yet choose to run it yourself. Using the power of mandates and punishments upon all who disagree with your teachings and practices. Which neither our Lord nor any of His apostles taught, promoted in any way shape or form, or exemplified.

The USA is the hegemon in a somewhat unipolar led world. So while we help finance the institutions that that make rules, and sometimes the President even signs them, Congress does not ratify such treaties. Examples abound. Key ones like "the International Covenant on Economic, Social and Cultural Rights, the UN Convention on the Law of the Sea, the Convention on the Elimination of All Forms of Discrimination Against Women (CEDAW), and the UN Convention on the Rights of the Child (CRC)UN included. "

The USA also is not a signatory to the International Criminal Court (ICC) So we can kill drug lords with little international consequences. Meanwhile, former President Duterte is on trial now for killing people that dealt drugs in the Philippines. Why because the Philippines signed on to this (They since have rejected it but because it was in force at the time of Duterte's crimes, he is still being held accountable.)

So it is pick and choose. One of the reasons many sign onto agreements is that smaller nations carry less weight and some of the agreements are attractive to help them maintain alliances and be a part of the system. The USA though as the largest economic bloc and contributor does not need such help. The USA is an imposer rather than one being imposed upon.

It is interesting to note that as Putin is wanted for war crimes, he is supposed to be arrested by any those who are in the ICC. Had the USA been a member he would have never gone to Alaska as the USA would have been obligated to arrest him. He did go to mongolia (or some smaller nation) but they still refused to honor their committment to the ICC.

Others flaunt international laws as well. There are still disputed territories and activities that go on all the time.

friend of said:

Im willing to bet you'd find many Democrats were on Epstein client logs.

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Probably. There will be Republicans too if they are not all redacted out. A DOJ aide was caught on tape mentioning that.

Oompa Loompa said:

Please, keep doing it! I beg you!

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You got it, my dear.

Oompa Loompa said:

Yes, they are.

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I’ve never seen a group so delighted to be a victim.

friend of said:

Im willing to bet you'd find many Democrats were on Epstein client logs.

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Democrats are not interested in protecting Democrats who have committed crimes.

"Random chance evolution as the mechanism of our existence" is a fairytale. Darwin's great discovery is that it isn't random. It's O.K. to be skeptical of science. But it's wise to at least know what it is one is skeptical of.

Amo2 said:

Yes, people do play with the word evolution quite a bit.

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Creationists do. Partially, out of not knowing anything about it. Maybe some consciously misrepresent it. But as you know, Darwin's discovery is that it isn't random.
(stuff about "humanists" and what they think about evolution)

Maybe you'd be wiser to ask scientists who actually know what it is.

Cites this:

Abstract​

This chapter examines the view of evolutionary naturalism on the concept of human nature. Evolutionary naturalism is based on Charles Darwin's hypothesis of natural selection and it holds that the human condition emerged from the European scientific Enlightenment. There are four essential elements in Darwin's theory. These are continual slight variation in inheritance, multiplication of organisms at a tremendous rate, struggle for existence, and continual elimination of the unfit to produce more and more adaptive organisms.

Do you not see that this directly contradicts your notion of evolution as random? It slightly misrepresents Darwin's theory, however.

FreeinChrist said:

You are the one saying it. None of the Democrats or left leading members are.

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Im willing to bet you'd find many Democrats were on Epstein client logs.

essentialsaltes said:

RFK Jr. Promises to Reveal the ‘Cause’ of Autism Next Month​

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Tylenol

U.S. Health Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. plans to announce that use of Kenvue's popular over-the-counter pain medication Tylenol in pregnant women is potentially linked to autism, contrary to medical guidelines that say it is safe to use, the Wall Street Journal reported on Friday, citing people familiar with the matter.

In December 2023, a U.S. federal judge struck a blow to hundreds of lawsuits claiming Tylenol can cause autism if mothers take it during pregnancy, barring expert witnesses from testifying after finding they lacked scientific evidence for their claims.

A 2024 study published in the Journal of the American Medical Association involving 2.4 million children born in Sweden found no evidence to support a causal link.

Kennedy, in the report, will also suggest a medicine derived from folate called folinic acid can be used to treat symptoms of autism in some people, the WSJ reported.

Xeno.of.athens said:

It is disappointing to see so little understanding of the scriptures in your reply.

Matthias was chosen to replace Judas Iscariot as one of the twelve apostles following Judas’s betrayal and death, in a process marked by prayerful discernment and scriptural fulfilment. After Peter addressed the gathered believers—about 120 in number—he cited the Psalms: “May another take his place of leadership” (Acts 1:20), affirming the need to restore the apostolic number. Two men were nominated, Joseph called Barsabbas and Matthias, both of whom had accompanied Jesus throughout His ministry. The apostles then prayed, saying, “You, Lord, who know the hearts of all, show which one of these two you have chosen” (Acts 1:24), and cast lots to determine the outcome. The lot fell to Matthias, and he was numbered with the eleven apostles, signifying divine approval and the continuation of apostolic witness.

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100%!!!

friend of said:

For some people, yes, Trump is the devil himself and everything bad in the world is his fault.

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You are the one saying it. None of the Democrats or left leading members are.

Tropical Wilds said:

Thanks. I’m certainly trying.

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Yes, you are trying but you are trying by arguing for the world to become worse again by allowing abortion. So, no matter how hard you try, good will always stand in your way.

Always in His Presence said:

How about the survivors? Are they liars also?

Epstein Survivors: ‘Trump Not Implicated’ In Misconduct​

Survivors of Jeffrey Epstein’s abuse — and Ghislaine Maxwell — said they never saw President Donald Trump engage in misconduct, even as scrutiny of his ties to Epstein continues.​

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In interviews with NBC News published Wednesday, several survivors and their families said they never saw either Trump or former President Bill Clinton involved in wrongdoing.​

How about the video of them saying so?

‘A severe miscarriage of justice’: Epstein survivors and families speak out in exclusive interview

In an NBC News exclusive interview with Hallie Jackson, a group of Epstein survivors and their families came together to speak out. Among them was a woman sharing her story publicly for the first time, describing the abuse she says she suffered at the hands of Jeffrey Epstein.

www.nbcnews.com

We have Trump denying the allegation - Maxwell who handled all the nastiness saying Trump never did anything and now the survivors stating on camera that Trump was not involved.


But hey! Trump is still guilty - right?

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I think they realize that accusing Trump will keep the files from being released. It is the same type of thing we see when the tech CEOs cater to and thank Trump. He needs pampering to keep from responding harshly. They want the files released.


Michael Wolff, author of Fire and Fury, also interviewed Epstein with plans for a biography. There are tapes. He says he was shown a picture(s) of Trump with topless girls who were young. We know from Trump himself that he would go into the dressing rooms of the Miss Teen Universe contestants and "inspect" the contestants, which is pretty lecherous. We know that he was found liable for sexual assaut ("adjudicated rapist" per the judge). We know he bragged about kissing women and grabbing their privates against their will because we heard his say it in the Entertainment Tonight video.

I don't know if Trump is guilty but his actions sure seem to support it. Calling it a Democrat hoax looks like guilt to me.
If the files are released, they will be so redacted as to be useless. OR, as one DOJ aide, Joseph Schnitt, who was recently secretly videotaped, said they will redact all the Republicans but not the Democrats.

Then there is this, as Attorney Michael Popak wrote:
"There is only 1 lawyer on planet earth who cross examined Jeffrey Epstein 3 x on behalf of his child sex trafficking victims, and who filed the video of the depositions in the public record and his name is Spencer Kuvin." He has had a few interviews now. I need to review the interview better to make sure it is not too informative (as in graphic descriptions) to be on this site.