essentialsaltes said:

DOW breaks 46,000.

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Jobs numbers aren't critical data, so the shutdown has prevented their release.

But the DOW is currently above 47,000.

SabbathBlessings said:

The law that is SIN when breaking the Ten Commandments 1John3:4 James 2:11 Rom7:7 can't be the same law that was ADDED because of sin. If you read your bible in context this was the animal sacrifices because of sin that was added.

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The royal or law of faith is to love our neighbour as ourselves. It is of faith because we cant love our neighbour without faith. That faith comes only by believing that Jesus Christ died for our sins ( in the law) and took the curse of the law ( to continue in it) away from us. Then the law to love our neighbour is written in our heart by the Sprit being given to us.)

Now here is the bit you dont understand, it is no talking to people as if still under the law, to be even convinced of the law as transgressors, as they will be transgressors without that faith, even if you think you are under a law and can keep a law, you cant. ( also cursed under the law)


James 2:8 If ye fulfil the royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself, ye do well:
9 But if ye have respect to persons, ye commit sin, and are convinced of the law as transgressors.
10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.
11 For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law.
12 So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty.
13 For he shall have judgment without mercy, that hath shewed no mercy; and mercy rejoiceth against judgment.

Furthermore, if morality comes from society, then the source of your rights is the government.

They are not something as high-falutin as "God-given".

And if the government can give the government can take away.

By contrast:

"[T]he rights of man come not from the generosity of the state but from the hand of God."

- JFK

"[A]ll men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness"

- Declaration of Independence

If God gives something, humans cannot take it away.

Abraham1st said:

we dont have the law any more,, we have faith, and when we do not have faith we have sin, sin may be the transgression of the law, but the law is gone, so now sin is unbelief in the Lord Jesus Christ, and is what damnation is also.

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So if the law is gone, that means I can go be hitler and kill millions of people and still be saved?
If the law is gone, when Jesus says he will tell people who commit sin on the regular he never knew them, what is the point of that if there is no law anymore?
If the law is gone, then every single person is now going to heaven and there is no more narrow gate then?

Your argument conflicts with the majority of scripture.

fhansen said:

Really, how come? That's not what the text says.
And Ezekiel wrote well after Adam, through whom humanity did, indeed, contract the guilt of Adam's sin as we all fell with him. They didn't commit the sin but inherited the consequences nonetheless. Unless you think you've been living in Eden all this time. And unless you think that there are some who are righteous after all. But there aren't-because we all became sinners.

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Then for your assertion above to have any merit, you must Biblically demonstsrate, which you have not done, my error in post #336, following, as well as post #342, on inheriting the consequences of sin, not the sin itself, which sin is imputed (Ro 5:17, 14).

We don't "become inherently guilty of possessing/inheriting someone else's sin" (Eze 18:20),
nor are we acquitted of possessing/inheriting someone else's sin that we don't possess.
Guilt of someone else's sin must be imputed to us (Ro 5:17), charged to our account,
as righteousness was imputed to Abraham (Ge 15:6), charged to his account, and is likewise imputed to us (Ro 5:18-19), charged to our account.

Humanity became guilty of Adam's sin by imputation of Adam's sin (Ro 5:17,
the only sin that caused death between Adam and Moses, Ro 5:14, when there was no law to sin against to cause man's death, Ro 4:15), just as humanity becomes righteous by imputation of Christ's righteousness (Ro 5:18-19).

Both guilt of Adams sin and righteouness of Christ are imputed to mankind (Ro 5:18-19).

durangodawood said:

So what if they did present a perspective thats actually about being gay? Thats the kind of thing that art generally is supposed to be doing: showing how the world looks from perspectives other than your own. And I enjoy seeing Christian perspectives represented on TV, for example, especially more traditional ones. If it veers into the type of Christianity I consider creepy, I watch something else.

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For a good time, you should watch the movie "Old Fashioned" and just imagine it as a quasi-horror film at the same time. Each character is a little over the top as stereotypes but it's trying to be serious. It's hilarious.

Bradskii said:

... Your standards are a reflection of who you are. Your upbringing and all those other factors we've been listing determine that. ...

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So:

Follow your heart, and blame your upbringing?

Sounds like you are in fact developing a way to avoid taking the blame for anything.

If we blame upbringing, why not blame any other outside forces - guns, racism, parents, poverty - but at all costs, don't blame the malfunctioning conscience.

Delvianna said:

You're conflating Jewish Law with Moral Law, just like Childeye. Moral law is what we write on our hearts, not the Jewish law. Lawlessness is literally sin IE: Breaking God's moral law.

"Whoever commits sin also commits lawlessness, and sin is lawlessness." 1 John 3:4

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we dont have the law any more,, we have faith, and when we do not have faith we have sin, sin may be the transgression of the law, but the law is gone, so now sin is unbelief in the Lord Jesus Christ, and is what damnation is also.

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....There are numerous non-straight characters in the show "Only murderers in the Building". I can't say I've ever encountered anyone suggesting that show is trying to indoctrinate anyone or push an agenda, it seems to be pretty well liked by everyone I've talked to on both sides of the fence. But that's because those themes aren't a focal point.

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So what if they did present a perspective thats actually about being gay? Thats the kind of thing that art generally is supposed to be doing: showing how the world looks from perspectives other than your own. And I enjoy seeing Christian perspectives represented on TV, for example, especially more traditional ones. If it veers into the type of Christianity I consider creepy, I watch something else.

Delvianna said:

Sure but that doesn't negate the fact that Jesus said, "If you love me, you will keep my commandments." (John 14:15). To argue that you can be "saved" by ignoring God's moral law and sin on a regular basis, is to ignore an array of verse that warn about lawless acts. The church of Laodicea is a prime example of people who think they are saved and need nothing, but aren't. He calls them "wretched".

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If we walk by love/faith we dont do as the examples of people still working ill to others, but if we walk by law we will hurt others, as the law always hurt others, it was by the faith of Christ that, that law ended which worked wrath.

childeye 2 said:

Okay, so yes, I have no place to boast for it is the Spirit of God that sanctifies me, not my flesh performing the works of the letter of the law.

Romans 8:2
For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.

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OK, if we do any law, it is to love, because as the love of God is shed into our hearts by the Spirit given to us, we know by heart how to not work ill against others, and do not need to be told again any more.

Abraham1st said:

Lawlessness cant increase without the law being in place, lawlessness was because of the law, that is why a new law went out from God, of the law written in the heart by the Spirit the new covenant from God, following/believing in Christ is to see how God from heaven loves us, while we are sinners/enemies in our mind to God by wicked works ( done by being under the law) but we become friends to God by believing He sent His Son to redeem us from the law, that held us dead.

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You're conflating Jewish Law with Moral Law, just like Childeye. Moral law is what we write on our hearts, not the Jewish law. Lawlessness is literally sin IE: Breaking God's moral law.

"Whoever commits sin also commits lawlessness, and sin is lawlessness." 1 John 3:4

keras said:

Because Jesus did not come or Return in the first Century.
Quickly, here is the same as 'in a little while', in Gods timing, not our earthly timing.

Just like the Parables, Jesus makes it a bit harder for people to understand, so that all and sundry won't know the secrets of the Kingdom. Matthew 13:11-17

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Of course He returned in the first century, just like nearly every page in the new testament proclaimed He would.
It's really easy to understand if you don't erase and replace the grammar, the time statements and the promises and warnings to the people to whom He gave them to.
ie: "Hold fast to what you have until I come". A promise to those in the church of Thyatira.
He's either kept that promise to them in the church at Thyatira or He's never kept that promise to anyone.

SabbathBlessings said:

Love does not delete the commandment to not worship other gods. Love does not delete the commandment to not bow to false idols. Love does not delete the commandment not vain His holy name. Love does not mean we can profane God and break His holy Sabbath day.

Love to God is keeping His commandments

1 John5:3 For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments. And His commandments are not burdensome.

Sadly, what people have been taught that we can define love instead of God is leading people down the wrong path of sin, unbelief and rebellion Heb3:7-19

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Love does all, that is why we are saved from all curses in the law.

The love/work of God is to believe in Jesus Christ, that He died and rose again.

John 6:29 Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.


That belief in your heart unto HIs righteousness, not the righteousness of the law the Jews go about to establish, means you also love others the way Christ loved us, as we are dead to sins in baptism and alive to God through the faith of Christ and quickened with Him in the Spirit ( the Spirit is the law written in the heart, through love and faith, the LAW ENDED.)


Romans 10:4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.

Romans 10:10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

Galatians 5:6 For in Jesus Christ neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision; but faith which worketh by love.

Yttrium said:

Cancel Netflix when Ranma 1/2 Season 2 is about to start? Madness!

Oh, wait, that's another show about a trans teenager.

Heh heh. I guess I know which side I'm on this time around, Elon.

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Ranma ½ is my childhood. I owed the entire manga collection at one point. I was so happy to see the new anime become a thing. I liked the old TV series too, but lots of filler that was of various quality and the new one is sticking close to the source. I just wish they continue it long enough to introduce my favourite non main cast character, Pantyhose Tarou.

Abraham1st said:

Abraham believed God and obeyed and went into the land of Canaan. Abraham is given the promises, and this is what is important, because Christ confirmed those promises. Abraham also offered his only son to God when called to offer hm as sacrifice on the alter, receiving him as a figure. ( to Christ.)

These parts are important, because all is about Christ, this is here the blessing from the curse comes from, and why we are to believe in Christ having to be made a curse for us, while hanged on the tree. So without Abraham offering Isaac, the faith would not be perfect as it would be incomplete, and voided. The same as Jesus Christ, if He did not come into the world to confirm the promises made to the fathers, no righteousness would matter for Abraham or anyone else, as it is all in what our Lord Jesus Christ did.

in that same respect, Jesus commands us to love as He loved us, by the greater love to lay our lives down for our friends/the brothers, so faith that saves has to all go together, or it is incomplete and cannot work at all unless it is finished. ( all things are what saves)

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Sure but that doesn't negate the fact that Jesus said, "If you love me, you will keep my commandments." (John 14:15). To argue that you can be "saved" by ignoring God's moral law and sin on a regular basis, is to ignore an array of verse that warn about lawless acts. The church of Laodicea is a prime example of people who think they are saved and need nothing, but aren't. He calls them "wretched".

Abraham1st said:

Romans 3:27 Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith.

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Okay, so yes, I have no place to boast for it is the Spirit of God that sanctifies me, not my flesh performing the works of the letter of the law.

Romans 8:2
For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.

friend of said:

She's a Muslim. Do you people not know that war with infidels (non-muslims) is a mandate in Islam?

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<looks at all the Muslim countries not at war with "infidels">

Do tell.

childeye 2 said:

I'm not sure what you mean by the law of faith; The law of life in Christ? Paul said if righteousness came through the law, Christ died in vain. Therefore, there is righteousness in the power of the cross.

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Romans 3:27 Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith.

SabbathBlessings said:

How do you keep the spirit of the law by breaking the letter?

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The letter is broken by faith, as the law is not of faith.


Galatians 3:12 And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them.

Galatians 3:19 Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.

Galatians 3:24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.

SabbathBlessings said:

The law does not give us righteousness. The law shows us what righteousness is Psa119:172 and what sin is Rom 3:20 Rom7:7 but the law can't save us. We are only saved by faith through Jesus. Does faith void the law? Of course not Rom3:31

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Jesus Christ shows us what righteousness is, it is His righteousness that is declared, not that of the law.


Romans 3:26 To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.


Jesus Christ by the same faith shows us what sin is, sin is unbelief in the Lord Jesus Christ..


John 8:24 I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins.

Acts 17:30 And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent:
31 Because he hath appointed a day, in the which he will judge the world in righteousness by that man whom he hath ordained; whereof he hath given assurance unto all men, in that he hath raised him from the dead.

Romans 14:23 And he that doubteth is damned if he eat, because he eateth not of faith: for whatsoever is not of faith is sin.

SabbathBlessings said:

The saints do not keep the law to be saved, its kept because of the love of Jesus and if we are abiding in Him, He is fulfilled the righteousness of the law meaning the right doing of the law in us, so its being kept through the power of the Holy Spirit John 14:15-18 John 15:10 the promise of being in a NC relationship with God. Heb8:10 If we are sinning and not trying to forsake our sins through Jesus Pro28:13 sadly it makes one an enmity to God Rom8:7-8 and have probably not entered His covenant promises.

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To love another is the fulfilling of the law, it is the law of Christ. ( which is what He fulfilled and what we are to believe in, how He loved us and died for us to redeem us from the CURSE of law)


Romans 13:8 Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law.

Galatians 3:13 Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:

FredVB said:

The new covenant is in effect because of the.old covenant,

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The New Covennt is in effect because of Jesus' declaration that it is so (Lk 22:20, 1 Co 11:25).

FredVB said:

which showed there was to be the new covenant, with what was foreshadowed in it. There was the priesthood, because Christ who was the real priest being foreshadowed fulfilled it. There was sacrifices of creatures permitted because Christ the real sacrifice for effective atonement fulfilled it. There were ways to be made ritually clean because Christ in whom we can be washed in the way needed to come to God fulfilled them. None of this changes what is shown of God's will through commandments with God's mind changed. God does not change, from what was shown in the very beginning.

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I was startled to see the dioceses of LA and San Bernardino on that list....I would have thought that there couldn't be too many people left who wanted anything to do with Catholicism in the People's Socialist Rebublik of Kalifornya.

Since Boston is a such a large Irish-American area, I suspect a good many of their conversions might be due to young people wanting to marry a Catholic, so they convert to make things easier. But that's just speculation on my part.

Abraham1st said:

The law of faith is established, there is no righteousness in the letter of the law, it has sin in it. ( the law was added because of transgressions.)

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I'm not sure what you mean by the law of faith; The law of life in Christ? Paul said if righteousness came through the law, Christ died in vain. Therefore, there is righteousness in the power of the cross.

She's a Muslim. Do you people not know that war with infidels (non-muslims) is a mandate in Islam?