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BCP1928 · 2025-11-28T11:56:28-0600

AV1611VET said:
Ya ... no facts have ever been disagreed with before, have they?

You must really have problems with Percival Lowell now!

What facts did he disagree with?

timothyu · 2025-11-28T11:54:51-0600

Dan1988 said:
Yes, I am a born again Christian, in other words "a follower of the Lord Jesus". I thought that was obvious, or is your question loaded

So, like Jesus, your only gospel is of the Kingdom?

concretecamper · 2025-11-28T11:53:39-0600

Are there still Apostles today?

Yes

timothyu · 2025-11-28T11:52:46-0600

Dan1988 said:
But my Pastor is highly educated in Theology.

Biblical or denominational?

DaisyDay · 2025-11-28T11:50:27-0600

rjs330 said:
Another judge over reaching.

Upholding the laws that Congress passes is overreaching.

timothyu · 2025-11-28T11:50:19-0600

Mark Quayle said:
We are considered worthy only because of Christ's worthiness and none of our own. The quality of our faith has nothing to do with our intelligence nor comprehensions, but depends on whether the source of it is God himself or not. This life is not for this life.

But who will we be if we are not us now. Most people see themselves as flesh.

BNR32FAN · 2025-11-28T11:49:04-0600

dogs4thewin said:
I think his point was that not everyone in the third world brings in drugs and addicts will buy from whomever they can not just people from x y z country.

Close, my point is that people should be judged by their actions, not by their race or nationality. America’s crime problem is primarily due to American citizens and all I see Trump doing is going after immigrants regardless of whether they’re criminals or not. What I don’t see is him going after criminals in general. To me that’s a problem when innocent people are being stereotyped as criminals because of their race, nationality, or poverty level. Thats not judging people by their actions which I have a huge problem with.

ladodgers6 · 2025-11-28T11:48:40-0600

Fervent said:
It's rather ironic you speak of pride, while claiming to speak for God in the image that you and other Calvinists have crafted Him. It is precisely because I know God is just that i know the unjust picture painted by Calvinists is false.

Are you gonna address the questions or just use ad hominem tactics to avoid the tough questions?

Your synergistic outlook thinks a sinner's will is bound because God is Sovereign; a sinner's will is bound because of Sin. This is the point you are missing.

Say it aint so · 2025-11-28T11:29:25-0600

NxNW said:
View attachment 373733

Sociopath.

Say it aint so · 2025-11-28T11:24:30-0600

rjs330 said:
There is no reliable evidence that it reduces suicide rates.

The Righterzpen said:
"Gender affirming care" (According to Medicare data) increases suicide stats by double compared to "cis gender" population.
Another stat I saw cited that almost 20% of 10 year post op transgender individuals commit suicide. (40% attempt) I think that may be the HIGHEST suicide rate in any population. (At last it's the highest stat I've ever seen.)

Suicide rates general populations:
(Veterans = 14%)
(Police = .021%)
(Incarcerated in state or federal prisons = 8%)

Disparities in Suicidality by Gender Identity Among Medicare Beneficiaries - PMC

Suicidality is higher for gender minorities than the general population, yet little is known about suicidality in disabled or older adult gender minorities. This study used 2009–2014 Medicare claims to identify people with gender identity–related ...

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

RileyG said:
There's been many cases of trans teens who committed suicide after receiving so-called gender affirming care or socially transitioning or had affirming parents. Something tells me it's not as helpful as some claim.

Suicide-Related Outcomes Following Gender-Affirming Treatment: A Review

Abstract

Gender-affirming treatment remains a topic of controversy; of particular concern is whether gender-affirming treatment reduces suicidality. A narrative review was undertaken evaluating suicide-related outcomes following gender-affirming surgery, hormones, and/or puberty blockers. Of the 23 studies that met the inclusion criteria, the majority indicated a reduction in suicidality following gender-affirming treatment; however, the literature to date suffers from a lack of methodological rigor that increases the risk of type I error. There is a need for continued research in suicidality outcomes following gender-affirming treatment that adequately controls for the presence of psychiatric comorbidity and treatment, substance use, and other suicide risk-enhancing and reducing factors. There is also a need for future systematic reviews given the inherent limitations of a narrative review. There may be implications on the informed consent process of gender-affirming treatment given the current lack of methodological robustness of the literature reviewed.

Changes in Suicidality among Transgender Adolescents Following Hormone Therapy: An Extended Study

Results

Suicidality significantly declined from pretreatment to post-treatment (F[1, 426] = 34.63, P < .001, partial η2 = 0.075). This effect was consistent across sex assigned at birth, age at start of therapy, and treatment duration.

Conclusions

HT was associated with clinically meaningful reductions in suicidality over time, extending prior findings with a larger sample and longer follow-up. These study findings provide clinical evidence supporting the mental health benefits of timely access to HT in this population.

What I asked is "Now suppose the implementation of those gender affirming actions reduce suicide rates. If it does, is there more empathic value in that or just get rid of them regardless?" So forget about the studies for a second, If gender affirming care led to lower suicide rates would that be enough for those who are not supportive to those actions to reconsider?

Always in His Presence · 2025-11-28T11:21:43-0600

A little Biblical history and perspective first.

First and foremost is Jesus Christ -

Heb 3:1Therefore, holy brethren, partakers of the heavenly calling, consider the Apostle and High Priest of our confession, Christ Jesus,

There is the Original 12:

Simon (Peter)
Andrew (his brother)
James (son of Zebedee)
John (his brother)
Philip
Bartholomew (Nathanael)
Thomas (Didymus)
Matthew (the tax collector/Levi)
James (son of Alphaeus)
Thaddaeus (Judas son of James, also called Jude or Lebbaeus)
Simon (the Zealot/Cananite)
Judas Iscariot (the betrayer, later replaced)

Judas was replaced by Matthias - After Judas Iscariot's death, Matthias was chosen by lot to replace him and is explicitly numbered "with the eleven apostles" (Acts 1:26). He is therefore referred to as an apostle. They held a unique position (role) in the Gospels -

Rev 21:14 Now the wall of the city had twelve foundations, and on them were the names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb.

The Reader will notice that the writers of their Gospels - Luke and Mark were not part of the 12. - yet many refer to them as Apostles

Luke 9:1 Then He called His twelve disciples together and gave them power and authority over all demons, and to cure diseases. 2 He sent them to preach the kingdom of God and to heal the sick. 3 And He said to them, “Take nothing for the journey, neither staffs nor bag nor bread nor money; and do not have two tunics apiece. 4 “Whatever house you enter, stay there, and from there depart. 5 And whoever will not receive you, when you go out of that city, shake off the very dust from your feet as a testimony against them.”

The reader will note that the 12 were called disciples when they were with Christ and Apostles when they were sent out -

Keep reading:

Luke 9:10 And the apostles, when they had returned, told Him all that they had done.

Same 12 people - their titles changed from disciple to apostle because they were sent out on a specific journey.

Luke 10:10 After these things the Lord appointed seventy others also, and sent them two by two before His face into every city and place where He Himself was about to go. 2 Then He said to them, “The harvest truly is great, but the laborers are few; therefore pray the Lord of the harvest to send out laborers into His harvest. 3 Go your way; behold, I send you out as lambs among wolves. 4 Carry neither money bag, knapsack, nor sandals; and greet no one along the road. 5 But whatever house you enter, first say, ‘Peace to this house.’ 6 And if a son of peace is there, your peace will rest on it; if not, it will return to you. 7 And remain in the same house, eating and drinking such things as they give, for the laborer is worthy of his wages. Do not go from house to house. 8 Whatever city you enter, and they receive you, eat such things as are set before you. 9 And heal the sick there, and say to them, ‘The kingdom of God has come near to you.’

Luke 10:17 Then the seventy returned with joy, saying, “Lord, even the demons are subject to us in Your name.”

EXACTLY the same direction from the Lord - EXACTLY the same authority and results.

Apostle - transliterated - apostolos - a delegate; specially, an ambassador of the Gospel; officially a commissioner of Christ ("apostle") (with miraculous powers):—apostle, messenger, he that is sent.

Then there is Paul - an Apostle to the Gentiles

Barnabus - Acts 14:4 But when the apostles Barnabas and Paul heard this, they tore their clothes and ran in among the multitude, crying out

James - Gal 1:19 19 But I saw none of the other apostles except James, the Lord’s brother.

None will ever be to the level of the 12 -

But there are numbers called by God and sent who bear the Title Apostle who preached the Gospel, cast out demons and healed the sick.

When I think of modern times, I think of Dr. Billy Graham, who preached the Gospel to over 1 billion people - ministered to Kings and President, who's ministry saw tens of millions come to Christ for Salvation.

MarkSB · 2025-11-28T11:21:18-0600

Oompa Loompa said:
I do not think she is evil.

Well, yeah - hence the word "seems" in my sentence. I don't know your inner thoughts, so can only go by what you've posted. From the tone of your posts, there seems to be a complete lack of compassion for the situation which the deportation of a parent of a U.S. citizen creates. Is undocumented immigration against the law? Yes. But do you show the same disdain for the law breakers who are pardoned by our president - and by my estimation, who have committed much more egregious crimes?

I don't know about you, but I can much more easily find compassion in my heart for the deported parent than I can for the criminals who Trump pardons on a regular basis. It's hypocrisy on complete display.

BNR32FAN · 2025-11-28T11:19:20-0600

Landon Caeli said:
Most addicts started using when they were young and stupid. Then they suffer for decades, because of a previous error in judgement. You should know how hard addiction is to beat. It doesn't take long before that one bad choice becomes an absolute necessity. Time is a strange concept, and drugs tango in the in-between.

We could have the same discussion about alcohol.

Fervent · 2025-11-28T11:16:36-0600

ladodgers6 said:
Are you accusing God of being unjust? Who are you old man to accuse God. This is pride of fallen man that he wants to put God in a bottle and rub when he wants something. It's man who tells God how things are to be. It's God in the hands of angry sinners, not the other way around, right? By your comments above you need to do more research because obviously your bias lens are blinding you. To be fair I once also discriminated against Calvinism (Doctrines of Grace), when I was an Arminian. So, what's more important?

The truth or my pride not to be wrong and try to win a debate at any cost, including distorting scripture. I choose to seek the truth. I was on a mission to destroy this evil, monstrous Calvinism. Only to find the truth that Calvinism teaches. Redemption Fervent is Monergistic not Synergistic. It's all by Grace Alone. Salvation is not made possible as Synergistic theologies suggests. But fulfilled and secured by God's only begotten Son who signed his own death warrant to propitiate God's justice to sin, and provide and clothed us in his white robes of righteousness.

Here's a quote for you to ponder upon.

"But in his lapse and sinful state, man is not capable, of and by himself, either to think, to will, or to do that which is really good; but it is necessary for him to be regenerated and renewed in his intellect, affections or will, and in all his powers, by God in Christ through the Holy Spirit, that he may be qualified rightly to understand, esteem, consider, will and perform whatever is truly good."

Now if you are thinking that Calvin wrote this, you are mistaken. This was written by Arminius himself. So, let me ask you this. Does a sinner need to be regenerated first, before anything else? Or is a sinner regenerated after they make a decision? Is a sinner's will free in that they can choose God apart from Grace? Please provide scripture.

Thanks.

It's rather ironic you speak of pride, while claiming to speak for God in the image that you and other Calvinists have crafted Him. It is precisely because I know God is just that i know the unjust picture painted by Calvinists is false.

CoreyD · 2025-11-28T11:13:36-0600

throughfiierytrial said:
I appreciate your reply, but I wish you would have addressed my points so as to hold a discussion.

In any event do you mind responding to my Bible references?

I would like to discuss your references.

throughfiierytrial said:
The Bible in my view upholds young earth. The Genesis creation account expounds Gods awesome wisdom and miraculous great power. Furthermore, creation is a subject pointed to by the rest of Scripture to emphasize these attributes by the prophets. Also Hebrews says God created the world and on the 7th day He rested.

Genesis 2:1-4 reads...
1 Thus the heavens and the earth, and all the host of them, were finished.
2 And on the seventh day God ended His work which He had done, and He rested on the seventh day from all His work which He had done.
3 Then God blessed the seventh day and sanctified it, because in it He rested from all His work which God had created and made.
4 This is the history of the heavens and the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens,

Psalm 95:10, 11 reads...
10 For forty years I was grieved with that generation, And said, ‘It is a people who go astray in their hearts, And they do not know My ways.’
11 So I swore in My wrath, ‘They shall not enter My rest.’ ”

Would you agree that God's rest is the same in Genesis 2:3 and Psalm 95:11?
If God's rest ended 24 hours after God ended his creation works, how could persons enter into that rest?
Would you agree that the day the Lord God made the earth and heavens could not be a literal 24 hour day?
Would you agree that day in Genesis therefore need not be a literal 24 hour day?

throughfiierytrial said:
This 7th day became the Israelites Sabboth Day which was a day of rest. God in this way created a larger canvass painting out the symbolism of His promise and shadow of days to come.

Could you provide the scripture that specifically says the seventh day of Genesis 2:2, 3 became the Israelites Sabbath Day?
I don't recall coming across that in the scriptures.

throughfiierytrial said:
He pointed them to the promise of heaven while He also pointed them to their “ rest” in their earthly promised land…Canaan. Canaan represents heaven. Hebrews clarifies this for us.

Could you provide the scripture that specifically says God "pointed them to the promise of heaven, and you aren't saying that "their “ rest” in their earthly promised land…Canaan" is the rest God refers to at Genesis 2:2, 3, are you?

throughfiierytrial said:
Hebrews 4 iexpounds this and Hebrews 11:3 upholds this interpretation. In my view it reaffirms the literal account of Genesis creation. There too can be found the illustration this provides for heaven in Hebrews 11:9-10.

Hebrews 11:3 reads...
By faith we understand the universe to have been formed by the word of God, so that the things being seen have not been made from the things being visible.

Persons have said that the word of God, in this verse is the son of God.
I'm not sure why they say so, and if it has anything to do with Colossians 1:15-17, but what are your thoughts... Do you read Colossians 1:16, 17 as saying "through him [The Son], God created everything in the heavenly realms and on earth.... - such as thrones, kingdoms, rulers, and authorities in the unseen world. Everything was created through him and for him."?

Do you see creation as being "the work of His [God's] hands", as stated at Psalm 19:1?

Hebrews 4:1-3 reads...
1 Therefore, while the promise of entering His rest still stands, let us be careful that none of you be deemed to have fallen short of it.
2 For we also received the good news just as they did; but the message they heard was of no value to them, since they did not share the faith of those who comprehended it.
3 Now we who have believed enter that rest. As for the others, it is just as God has said: “So I swore on oath in My anger, ‘They shall never enter My rest.’”

This is an ongoing rest, isn't it?
It does not refer to the promised land either, since the Christians enter it.
Can you explain how these scriptures uphold your interpretation?

throughfiierytrial said:
Psalms and Revelation also are predicated on creation to have taken place in just 7 days. Job, Isaiah and many other references to this miraculous creation drives this point home.

Two very large books... especially the Psalms. Can you please be specific about what scriptures you have in mind?

throughfiierytrial said:
Should especially mention that one of the Psalms says He spoke and it came to be in which creation is being discussed

Psalm 8:3 reads...
When I behold Your heavens, the work of Your fingers, the moon and the stars, which You have set in place

The scriptures do say God worked, and he used his fingers, which Jesus refers to as holy spirit. Luke 11:20
Several scriptures refer to things coming into existence through preparation.

Robban · 2025-11-28T11:11:50-0600

stevevw said:
I don't think these experiments are done near the actual disasters. Its part of the Global Neuronal Workspace Theory (GNWT). An ongoing experiment on consciousness.

Fame in the Brain—Global Workspace Theories of Consciousness

GWTs posit that information becomes conscious when it gains the brain's attentional spotlight and is broadcast to a global workspace. Experts like GWT; the media have other ideas.

www.psychologytoday.com

Yes and they can sense this well before humans can. The same with earthquakes. Birds especially can sense certain global events. Perhaps something to do with a connection to electromagnetism. From memory birds have some sort of quantum vision that allows them to circumnavigate around the globe.

But we don't fully understand these more transcedent aspects at the quantum or consciousness level and what influence this has. If as a Christian you believe in the spiritual aspect as a real influence in the world then this is within a similar realm and may be connected.

What about how the prophets and disciples ect were led by the Holy spirit. To even die for a God that people would say was just a imaginary voice in someones head. Yet the spirit instructs, guides and manifests real physical outcomes in the world.

Atheists would call this imagination or delusion. Yet millions of Christians would testify to it being a real phenomena in the world. In fact as a species we humans have a deep history of religious belief as a real phenomena that has changed the world in real ways.

This dimension if you like is as part of humans as eating food for sustigen. One is for the body and the other for the soul. Both a reality.

Yes but the basic instinct if you could call it that. Or maybe knowledge. This is human wide regardless of what religious story. An attempt to express something inherently known in all humans. Its just that some express this in human made religions or ideas.

Thats why you see ideas like the Creation and Flood myth repeated in most cultures. Why you seen sacrifices made before God called Abraham to sacrifice as humans already knew the need to sacrifice to gods.

Its just that the biblical God made Himself known as the one True God that everyone was looking for.

What is HavaYah.

Havayah, in short, based on the teachings of the Lubavitcher Rebbe Menachem M. Schneerson..

The Torah portion of Vayeira begins with G-d revealing to Moshe His Ineffable Name Havayah.

G-d then goes on to tell Moshe that He did not make this name known to Avraham, Yitzchak, or Ya`akov.

Rashi comments that G-d was thereby implying that "He did not make Himself known to them with His unlimited attribute of truth."

This in short there is much more.

btw, I have copied this.

Edit, missed " Lubavtcher"

PloverWing · 2025-11-28T11:11:03-0600

Stopped_lurking said:
Yes, but you can still not directly observe sex. So you look at something that at best correlates with sex, but it correlates even better with gender, IMO. So why should I switch to using sex for determining what pronouns to use, and how would I do it? How do you use sex to determine what pronouns to use, when sex is not available to you in most interactions with others?

To be fair, there are secondary sex characteristics one can observe without anyone taking their pants off. When I meet someone, I make an initial guess about their sex based on things like facial hair, voice pitch, and so on.

As to the question of whether we should categorize people by their bodies (sex) or who they are inside (gender), I generally base my pronoun use on gender rather than sex, if the other person has told me their gender.

BCP1928 · 2025-11-28T11:08:10-0600

seeking.IAM said:
When taking care of this immigration problem, what will become of Melania?

She's white, No problem.

JustaPewFiller · 2025-11-28T11:06:03-0600

Maria Billingsley said:
The comparison of Christianity to an atrocity like Nazism stems from a place of profound fear and deep-seated historical memory, rather than a literal equation of their objectives. It is this version, Christian Nationalism, that has unfortunately caused the tension you are speaking of.
For those drawn to Christian Nationalism, there is often a genuine, deeply felt grief over cultural change and a belief that the nation has lost its moral compass. They sincerely yearn for a sense of community, stability, and shared values, often rooted in a sincere religious conviction, hoping to "restore" a perceived golden era where their beliefs were central to public life. This movement is driven by a profound desire for certainty in a rapidly changing world.
However, the reason this movement evokes comparisons to the darkest chapters of history, like Nazism, is due to the terror it instills in those on the margins. The fear is not about theological debate, but about the weaponization of state power. When an ideology claims that only one specific faith or cultural identity is legitimate for governing the nation, it inherently seeks to define who belongs and who is an "outsider." Critics see proposals like those in Project 2025—which would centralize power in a single executive and dismantle protections for minority groups—as creating the structural framework for tyranny. The comparison to Nazism tragically recalls the historical pattern where exclusionary nationalism, even when framed in terms of restoring a virtuous state, inevitably leads to the systematic dehumanization and persecution of the "others."

^This is why..

Some see parallels between the rise of "Christian Nationalism" in the US and Nazism in Germany.

Much of it boils down to the desire to merge church and state or the weaponization of religion by government as a way to gain and hold power.

Indeed, some do openly call for America to be transformed into a theocracy such as pastor Doug Wilson whose influence is growing.

I went googling for a good article that sums it up the fears and found this one..

Christian Nationalism: A grave threat to America • Daily Montanan

Columnist Cathy Young says that Christian Nationalism is a grave threat to democracy because it sounds close to what many people believe, but is really radically different.

dailymontanan.com

seeking.IAM · 2025-11-28T11:04:19-0600

When taking care of this immigration problem, what will become of Melania?

BCP1928 · 2025-11-28T11:02:01-0600

AV1611VET said:
I suspect it's because he dares to disagree with your beliefs.

No, because he disagrees with facts. That he is a scoundrel only explains why he tries to back it up with Christian doctrine.

AV1611VET said:
Martha Stewart?

No problem.

She doesn't threaten your beliefs.

You're right. She doesn't threaten my beliefs.

AV1611VET said:
Kent Hovind? Ken Ham? David Mainse? John Ankerberg?

Look out!

Now there's a Who's Who of pariahs!

Neither does Kent Hovind, Ken Ham or John Ankerberg.

rambot · 2025-11-28T10:55:18-0600

Well.

Checkmate, stupid person.

Studyman · 2025-11-28T10:54:09-0600

SabbathBlessings said:
Why would there be a need to kill innocent animals when there was no sin until after the fall.

Except that this is not my stated belief as I have told you over and over and over and over, even in the post you are replying to. Like I said, your bearing false witness against others only hurts you, and blasphemes God's Name. It doesn't hurt me.

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