Do All Religions Lead To God?
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Can Jesus be found in other religions though not explicitly?
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Not what I asked. And again you cannot prove that the wicked that died during Noah did not take Gods name in vain. Read verse 28. Jesus became the Lord of the Sabbath.No verse before EX 20 says "do not take God's name in vain"
Mark 2:27 Jesus speaks of the making of BOTH the Sabbath AND mankind in Gen 1-2
What commandments? Show me the verse that contains the list of commandments before Moses? How about the 4th commandment, did anyone keep it before Moses?Turns out God existed before Moses and God said Abraham "kept my commandments".
Nonsense. No one read Genesis or Exodus before the 15th century BCE.The only reason "creation WEEK" is a 7 day week is because of Gen 2:1-3 the SEVENTH day of that week that Ex 20:11 says was the actual SABBATH being made, blessed, sanctified.
Only if you read it outside of historical context as you are doing.Pretty hard to miss.
Come the Tish allegations, since that what they just are. The insurance lawyer who stepped in to replace the AG, who quit after refusing to bring charges seeing there were no charges to bring, is failing to make her case for the third time. I already showed you how both cases in Va and NY how those claims are bogus.
What is third world about this fraud scheme? Because fraud is as old as commerce and plenty of it existed here long before any Somalis immigrated. These were business owners ( not welfare recipients) taking advantage of a program that was not well regulated. Also, the Fraud was not limited to Somali owned businesses.The Somalian fraud and tribalism was going on long before Trump. That is what happens when you import the third world into your country in mass, give them welfare to make them comfortable, and have zero expectation for them to assimilate. They bring they bring the third world with them and replicate it where they are.
And yet all of the “evidence@ you posted so far show that the sabbath is celebrated on Sunday by the churches.notice the "please don't keep the Sabbath, Sabbath is not for mankind" language is entirely missing from the following
I’ve been making one here for quite some time. Tell me, can you post a verse where the sabbath was kept before Moses? Can you show a post resurrection verse that teaches that the church has to keep the sabbath? Can you post a verse that shows that the law was given to the gentiles collectively?You can't simply imagine your case... you have to make one.
No. Your church is the legalist church that requires works of the law for salvation. Can you be saved if you don’t keep the sabbath?
How? Your “evidence” is no evidence at all. You thought that you had an aha moment but you did not. The confessions that you posted said that the Christian is not under the law and the sabbath is on Sunday. Can you prove otherwise?False. My ability to show that the Bible refutes your little quips is key to this discussion.
Your ability to repeat accusations is of course, impressive, however transparent.
But your church and you add works to the salvation formula. What do you think Paul means when he states:sadly you did not prove anything. I agree that the Bible exists, it is the Word of God and saints are called to obey the word of God, not as a means of salvation but as the fruit of salvation.
Rom 8:4-9 states clearly that the lost are at war with God and His law. Have you read it?
having differences in POV is nothing new on this board but as we have seen the major Christian confessions of faith refute your rejection of God Commandments. Your only solution is to ignore them even after you yourself asked me to post a few of them for you. just does not get any easier than this for readers to see the issues plainly.
But we don’t agree. You and your church teach a faith plus works of the law salvation because you and your church believe that sabbath keeping is required for salvation. As long as you believe that we will never agree.One of the very few places where you and I agree.
The confessions do not say what you claim. I even posted the parts related to the sabbath but you ignored them. You can’t just force something to say what you want,We see "EVERY Sabbath" gospel preaching and worship services explicitly to both gentiles and Jews in Acts 18:. This has been repeated for you several times and your only solution is to ignore it.
Just like your only solution to the main text of section 19 in the Westminster and Baptist Confessions of faith has been to ignore what it says.
It isn’t. Nothing in Heb 7 that stated ad such. Exodus 20 relates to the law given to Israel not to the church.Jesus always was the Lord of the Sabbath. You need to read more. Heb 8 says it is Jesus in Exodus 20 speaking the TEN.
Jesus became Lord of the Sabbath. Scriptures is clear about that, is it not?Read more, quip less to make a good compelling case.
Nothing says "Jesus became the Lord" of some part of God's Law because Jesus IS God, He is the Law giver as Heb 8 points out in regard to Sinai. This is why all the confessions of faith that I showed to you (and more also) affirm this point about the TEN
Yes seriously. Go back and read your posts.read more.
When you see Bible texts that go against your preferences you call it "theological drama"? Seriously?
And yet God did not give the 4th commandment to Abraham. Why is that?That has been true since Adam.
Rev 1 Jesus was slain "from the foundations of the world".
Gal 1:6-9 there has only been one gospel
Gal 3:8 the Gospel was preached to Abraham
Is it now? Why do t you post it. While you are at it why don’t you post a verse that shows that the sabbath was kept before Moses? How about a verse that shows that the law was given to the gentiles collectively?The protoevangelium is in Gen 3.
You need to read more
If you think Allah is just another word for God you could say thatThat’s a very vague term. We worship Christ as our ’Allah’. Of course this brings us into conflict with the Muslims.
For all the complaints I don't see the US in some dictatorship. Some of the ideas like anti abortion and Trans is not Project 25. Especially Trans ideology as this was dividing society and denying long held womens rights. BUt nothing bad is happening. Yet we had actual bad stuff happen under Biden and no one is complaining about that.For it to be a conspiracy, the number of items the Trump administration has completed is amazing.
People (sometimes) successfully fighting back against his dictator tendencies and actions to keep the balance of power and our government in check doesn't mean he's not trying to assume power not typically bestowed upon American presidents.
Ok well I see differering opinion on thisThe democratic process was not bypassed to promote Harris. The DNC followed their policies to elect someone at the last minute. The DNC electors had people who submitted their intent to run with the required signatures and they were voted on. Not everyone voted for Harris via a virtual roll call. She was also not the only one with delegates, but the others did not have enough to win.
People were expecting a 50 state primary all over again. That's not what happens. There was also not time for it as deadlines had passed in all the states and my state of Ohio was threatening not to have the dem candidate on the ballot at all if not submitted by a certain date. They were unwilling to provide exceptions granted to candidates in the past, including GOP candidates.
See Adoption of early virtual nomination vote here.
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The GOP would have had to do something similar had they lost their nominee at the last minute.
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No but they need to become Americans and part of that culture and not be dividing the nation with anti western and American ideas. The current trend of the Left is towards socialism and cultural Marxism. The ideas and policies are clear.People do not need to abandon their entire culture to assimilate.
Yes thats how it has always been. But not now. We never had such instablity as now with all the culture wars. THis was brought on by radical Left ideas of white America verses the other with all the language and narratives pushed. This is now admitted fact.The cultures of other melding into what is America is what makes us rich as a nation. No one is asking Jews to abandon their ceremonies. We have little Chinatowns all over this country. Little Cubas. Little Italies. Mormons. Amish. Native Americans. People who keep traditions alive. We are all the better for it.
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I was talking with a lady who has recently lost her husband, she reports being under intense peer pressure, which she thought was a form of legalism, to do silly stuff she doesn't want to do. Specifically regarding trees/decorations/turkeys and the like. She said she hates this time of year, wishes it was over and that people would stop pressurizing her. I agreed with her, at this time of year there is pressure to do things you don't want to do from other Christians. Maybe well meaning people, sometimes maybe trying to make conversation, but I find it rather wearing. Pressure and competition, I detect a lot of people are trying doing this stuff as a form of oneupmanship. Like the guy who needs a bigger tree and more glowing gnomes and Odins in their garden than the person next door.
Leaving aside the possible pagan origins of much of this stuff is it Biblical to pressure people to do something they don't want to do? There's no biblical command telling us to put up a 'Christmas Tree', or to take a present from a man dressed as Santa aka Odin at a church party, or to sings songs about flying deer. Or forcing someone to wear a Santa hat or an Elf hat when they don't want to (yes, in a previous year I was forced to wear an elf hat to participate as a helper at a church event). Why then are people pressured into doing this if they don't want to? Isn't it a form of legalism? Being forced to partake in possible Paganism in Church? I detect churches are more likely to have a Santa and a tree than a nativity scene.
It is for freedom that Christ has set us free. Stand firm, then, and do not let yourselves be burdened again by a yoke of slavery (Galatians 5:1).
I have been told that's it's a form of legalism to tell people not to engage in certain activities, so why then isn't it legalism to compel people to engage in those activities?
I have been told that it would be legalism to acknowledge various Old Testament Biblical Feasts or to encourage others to do so. Why then isn't it Legalism to compel others to revere a flying fat all knowing midget from the North pole?
For those who don't think churches could revere demons or compel others to do so, there's 'Tuesday' for example. A day of the week named to honour a pagan god of war. Wednesday, Thursday and Friday are the same. Living in a pagan world aren't we meant to be aware of the devil's schemes, rather then going along with anything and everything, afterall Satan masquerades as an angel of light.
God Bless Alland happy Christmas. Hope you find a time of peace and joy in remembering the Saviour's birth and please don't take my post as critical or judgemental. I'm asking Qs from a place of frustration is all.
No true Christian can worship Allah
It was always a sin to take God's name in vain, worship idols, murder etc.
Rom 4 "where there is no law there is no sin"
Gal 3 is not talking about the Law not existing, it is talking about the Law in written form at Sinai.
1 John 3:4 "sin is transgression of the Law"
Gen 3 God says to Cain "sin is at your door, you must overcome it"
No explicit command said "do not murder" but from the text it is clear that that was already known.
In Gen 7 the clean animals are taken into the ark by pairs of 7, the unclean by two's. But we don't find the definition of clean vs unclean until Lev 11.
The book of Genesis does not record every word ever spoken for the first 2000 years
Makes sense to me! As they say “when in Rome…”If others were veiling at the Latin Mass then I probably would too.
I think the expression "heaven on earth" can be pretty straight forward. It is about feeling like you're in a paradise or utopia in your everyday life. There is also the expression "hell on earth".No person knows what heaven is like, so how do they know that they are experiencing heaven on earth.
When the words are thrown around so readily its more than just stopping something.Being against/opposing white supremacy is not the same as being against/opposing white people. Many white people have and continue to fight against white supremacy and racism.
No true Christian can worship AllahNo True Christian can steal from Caesar
No True Christian can break the commandments of God![]()
No True Christian can steal from CaesarWould you say "No true atheist believes in God" ?
The Somalian fraud and tribalism was going on long before Trump. That is what happens when you import the third world into your country in mass, give them welfare to make them comfortable, and have zero expectation for them to assimilate. They bring they bring the third world with them and replicate it where they are.Votes for Trump, complains about fraud and tribalism.
classic.
Where I find lack of clarity is when phrases like "the grammar itself provides the reason" or "so there's the reason" are used, since that language sounds like a claim of textual necessity rather than interpretation.What other interpretations are plausible? What is the syntactic argument for their plausibility?
Where have I been unclear? Can you specifically quote what portion of my argument breaks down and fails to produce the conclusion I offered?
Almost every Christian denomination on Earth affirms the continued *"unit of TEN" for Christians today (including the Sabbath Commandment in the TEN, though they edit it in many case to point to week day 1)
[*]The Baptist Confession of Faith section 19
[*]The Westminster Confession of Faith section 19
[*]Voddie Baucham
[*]C.H. Spurgeon
[*]D.L. Moody
[*]Dies Domini by Pope John Paul II
[*]D. James Kennedy
[*]R.C. Sproul
[*]many others as well..
Gal 3:8 "The gospel was preached to Abraham". That promise is not broken. It is the "one and only gospel" Gal 1:6-9.
And that is precisely how it is that Moses and Elijah stand with Christ in glory in Matt 17 even before the cross event even happens.
"The gospel was preached to us just as it was to them also" Heb 4:1-2
The Sabbath has always been entered into by the people of faith, by faith alone , since the fall of Adam. Under the One and only Gospel of HEb 4 "the gospel was preached to us JUST AS IT WAS to them also" Heb 4;2.
So then it is no wonder that in Is 66:23 we read that for all eternity after the cross in the New Earth "from Sabbath to Sabbath shall all mankind come before Me to worship"
God's moral Law continues just as all the major Confessions of faith confirm in Christianity
The problem here is your use of the word "sin."
I don't think Paul had any intention of implying that Emperor Nero respected the concept of "sin" as Paul himself did.
And not "sins" that the Body of Christ should expect worldly governments to punish.