timothyu said:

Who will we be? Who should we see now as being the real us instead of these failed creations struggling to self=justify our ways? The elohim (spirits) failed God. Humans (flesh) failed God. Who will we be to reverse that failure?

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We will be the Sons of God.

What is your point?—that's what I want to know. I'm not trying to debate you or criticize. I'm trying to understand why you went there.

Bob8102 said:

I have been struggling with OCD and struggling with the gospel for decades. I ask the question because of what I read in a book on Christians with OCD. The book is called Strivings Within by Mitsy VanCleeve. The author talks about how the author of Pilgrim’s Progress, John Bunyan, centuries ago, apparently had OCD. I have read about him and how he kept doubting his salvation and having other struggles. VanCLeeve said that he eventually gave up trying to seek assurance. He decided that come heaven, come hell, he was for ‘venturing all for the name of Christ.’ She said that only by making this decision was he able to continue ‘serving His Lord.’ This jives with other advice I’ve read which says that OCD people must learn to live with the OCD and its uncertainty.

If all of the above is true, then OCD people can never get assurance of salvation, right?. Yet one author I read said that your spiritual life will never really take off until you have assurance.

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The OCD people I have known in this life are very varied, though they have much in common, too. For the most part, I have found them very intelligent, able to reason well.

One thing I can suggest, is to pursue Christ with all your might, with all your will, with all your heart. Get to know him, spend hours praying, reading, without demanding he answer your questions. Get to know him and you may find, in his timing, that your life is about him, for better or for worse. And that for that, he is to be praised. You belong to him.

I'm not saying that it can be both, but that it can be neither, or maybe, better, that there may be a perspective/understanding that encompasses both.

Your descriptions are dependent on some form of time passage. And we don't know how to think otherwise, so I think that is partly why the terminology of Scripture. But when one looks at the attributes of God —particularly his singularity of purpose —his Aseity— and his Omnipotence and Sovereignty, we have to conclude that time is only one of his "inventions", one of his tools, and not necessarily something that governs the life/death to come, which is his economy —his realm.

When I consider that Christ took our punishment for us, I have to conclude that he suffered EVERYTHING we would have, not just temporal torment and death, but the torments of hell for every one of us who have our sin forgiven. He 'survived' it because he is God. "Hell could not hold him". I can't say that my conclusions are accurate —much less my descriptions— but I think there is something to them: That what happened to him, and to everyone of the reprobate, is a matter of what we in this life might term, "INTENSITY", where time passage does not apply. In this, complete destruction is going to happen, and is never over with (because there is no time passage), yet not ongoing in the sense that "time" would imply. Their hopelessness, anguish, despair, pain, regret, anger, hatred for God all "at once" knowing what it is to have lost all virtue with which we once knew them here, lost it because God has abandoned them.

FaithT said:

Jesus? How so?

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Hmmm....

Lady Bug said:

Whether or not the hymn is cliche for the Advent season, it never fails to move me. I love it

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I'm not a Roman Catholic, so I hope I am not breaking forum rules by answering. I like that hymn, too, as it looks back to the first coming of Jesus at Bethlehem, and forward to His glorious Second Coming. I especially like this verse:

"O come, O Branch of Jesse's stem,
unto your own and rescue them!
From depths of hell your people save,
and give them victory o'er the grave."

FaithT said:

The geocentric model was debunked a long time ago.

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I agree, but I don't see any connection between your post, and the single-word post from Apple Sky correcting another poster by indicating she is female.

Praying for the love of God to reach out and pierce the heart of those playing with dangerous things they think are some form of joke or rebellion against a person controlling them. Lord please help this member fight the spiritual war as You best know how to direct.

essentialsaltes said:

Miscarriages, infections, neglect: The pregnant women detained by ICE​

Until last year, Congress required reports on the pregnant, postpartum or nursing women in ICE custody, including ‘detailed justification’ for their detention. This requirement no longer exists, Kelly Rissman reports​

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[oversight is one of those words that mean its own opposite]​

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Despite an ICE directive generally prohibiting the detention of pregnant women, Alicia was held there for three months.​

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About a month after she was detained, Alicia began experiencing severe abdominal pain, vaginal discharge, cramping, and bleeding. She was taken to a nearby emergency room in shackles. There, she underwent an invasive medical procedure, without her consent, according to the letter. ​

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she remained at the facility for two more months. Unrelenting symptoms - bleeding, swelling, foul-smelling vaginal discharge and excruciating pain — persisted. The pain became so severe that she struggled to sleep.​

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It wasn’t until Alicia was deported in July that she was able to obtain antibiotics to treat the vaginal infection she’d developed from the miscarriage that had gone untreated while in ICE custody.​

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Data, available from a patchwork of media, lawsuits and Congressionalreports, suggests dozens of pregnant, postpartum and nursing women have been detained so far this year. [But we don't know since Congress did not renew that required reporting.]​

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Good Lord, why are we holding people for 3 months? If they are illegal, it shouldn't take three months to ship them out. And we absolutely are responsible to see they get the medical care they need. It's unconscionable that they don't.

DaisyDay said:

Those who commit crimes get expedited deportation. If you're not familiar with the DACA then you're just speaking from ignorance.

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I was strictly speaking about general deportations. And generally it doesn't matter if you are a good person or a bad person. If you are here illegally you are subject to deportation. Period.

Hank77 said:

Thanks,
I'm really glad of that.

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Hank, you should have realized this about @Aryeh Jay a long time ago.

Dave, joining others in welcoming you to CF

Hope you find your times here rewarding.

Oompa Loompa said:

This this the textbook definition of "grooming." Again, I say that transgender are not born, they are groomed and recruited.

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Out of curiosity, how many transgender people did you speak to before coming to this conclusion?

-- A2SG, could take a guess, but let's see what you say....

The last couple hundred years, maybe more, it seems a different perspective has become pervasive across Christendom, that we are put here on this earth for the purpose of doing God's plans for him, (to put it a little crassly). Truth is, it works out to the same thing the Pharisees were doing and that people from the beginning do, as though there was some level of obedience that was good enough, and worse, that figuring out what God wants (plans, etc) is our job to figure out, and that he can't do it without our cooperation.

We are here (both now and in the afterlife) as the Bride of Christ. We are what he is making, if you get what I'm saying. It is not ours to figure out what he wants —that becomes akin to divination. Thank God for prayer, where in spite of the direction our thinking intended he talks to us anyway. WE ARE HERE TO GET TO KNOW HIM. And no, not that we need not be obedient and listen to him. He loves it when we talk with him. But steer clear of methods of divining God's will.

You needn't stop praying about anything, unless your praying is demanding he treat you according to your understanding.

Joining others in welcoming you to CF

Hope you find your times here rewarding.

romansroad said:

know John Bunyan had issues like this

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Yes, sir. Indeed he did. You may wish to read his book on his experiences with this, called "Grace Abounding".
In any event, there is an entire section at these forums for those struggling with the same basic problem as you are, some of the symptoms you have mentioned being spot on with theirs, especially the one about sudden blasphemous thoughts against God, Jesus, or the Holy Spirit coming to mind out of seemingly nowhere when never before in their years of life had it ever occurred before (and of course, the fact that it is naturally a worrisome thought to the sufferer right away, is pretty much the reason why the thought persists in the mind as much as it does afterward).
So know that you do not suffer alone!

romansroad said:

I refuse to give up though.

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And I do not think that the Lord will allow you to, even if you have times of weakness, tired out from such a mentally and emotionally exhausting thing as scrupulosity, where you might feel that you are or want to give up.

BCP1928 said:

I don't know about that. You don't seem to have any trouble with strict definitions for it and imposing thse strict definitions is part of what creates the problem in the first place. If it was socially ok to be a physical male and a psychlogical female then trans people would be much better off.

I notice also that besides your strict definition you have an unrealistic tendency to strict dichotomies.

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At one t time, they were called "metrosexual." Meaning that they were men with feminine characteristics. But men nonetheless. Also, there was a time where the word "Tom-Boy" was used to describe a women with male characteristics. Everything was fine until trans ideology and pseudoscience plagued the culture like an infection. This has now become a social contagion.

keras said:

Isaiah 49:1-26 Listen to Me you peoples far distant,...... But Zion [the Holy Land] said: The Lord has forsaken me, and my Lord has forgotten me…. The children which you will have, after you have lost the former ones, shall say to you: This place is too small for us, give us more space to dwell . Then you will say to yourself: Who has begotten me these, seeing I have lost my children, and am alone and desolate, and where have they come from? Thus says the Lord GOD, Behold, I will lift up mine hand to the Gentiles, and set up my standard to the people: and they shall bring thy sons in their arms, and thy daughters shall be carried upon their shoulders, for they shall not be ashamed that have faith in Me.

Hebrews 12:22-24 But you have come unto mount Zion......
We Christians are the latter children of Zion, Spiritually of the twelve tribes, the true Israelites of God, all the faithful Christian peoples from every tribe, race, nation and language. Revelation 5:9-10

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Keras,

What stood out about your end-times table is it predicted an actual date for certain events. Not only that - you put on pretentions to being some sort of end times prophet. (This is how cults like Waco, Texas and Jonestown start.)

It turns out it was ALL FALSE - delusions cooked up in some overheated Middle Eastern experience that psychologists have documented as fairly common among the religious who visit the Holy Lands.

Your 'vision' from 2010 - posted about in August 2020
"I am just a humble servant of the Most High God. He gave me a task: to promote what His prophets wrote so long ago, because what they wrote then, is about to happen soon. I know this, because in 2010, when I was in the Holy Land; I received a vision from the Lord and inspiration to do this."
The Day of the Lord is at Hand for all the Nations

I warned you about Jerusalem Syndrome - which can give religious people a sort of sensory overdose and wig them out a bit. I tried to show you how Jesus said we cannot know the day or hour. But the more I brought scripture to you, the harsher you got in your manner to myself and others.

You had PERFECT CONFIDENCE - AND EVERYONE ELSE IS A SWINE! EG:-

“I remain perfectly confident and I know the Appointed Day on which the Lord will arise and send fire to destroy the attackers of Israel and change the world, ready for the lead up to His glorious Return. I doesn't take great Biblical qualifications to know what God has planned, in fact such learning is a hindrance to finding the truth. And don't ask me when, as you would do what Jesus said will happen in: Matthew 7:6“
The Day of the Lord is at Hand for all the Nations

Matthew 7:6 reads "“Do not give dogs what is sacred; do not throw your pearls to pigs. If you do, they may trample them under their feet, and turn and tear you to pieces."

You called myself and many dear friends at Moore College swine. You called them 'unclean' - basically implying they were God's enemies!

According to yourself, all the theologians I read about Apocalyptic Symbolism taught the wisdom of the world - but your 'pearls" - your visions from God - were to be trusted over all that 'wisdom from men'.

You worked out when the Lord would return, and back-calculating 3.5 years for the Abomination of Desolation means the anti-Christ is January 2026 - only a few months away! (Footnote below.)

But there is not even a 3rd temple in Jerusalem for all this to happen. Someone's going to build it overnight?
My question to you?

Will you acknowledge you are a false prophet after say June next year when there's no AOD in Jerusalem - and try taking peer-reviewed theological work more seriously than your obviously faulty gut feelings?




FOOTNOTE

“2020 AD + 9.5 = 2029.5 AD Exactly 2000 years for the present Church age” -
The Day of the Lord is at Hand for all the Nations

Subtract the AOD’s 3.5 years = AOD Jan next year!