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Always in His Presence · 2025-12-02T15:20:17-0600

lismore said:
Hello Always! Good to hear from you. I hope you're doing well today.

Thank you - I hope you are doing well also. I do appreciate speaking with you and you have my respect.

lismore said:
For example all those on whom Peter's shadow fell were healed:

Acts 5:14-16 As a result, people brought the sick into the streets and laid them on beds and mats so that at least Peter’s shadow might fall on some of them as he passed by. Crowds gathered also from the towns around Jerusalem, bringing their sick and those tormented by impure spirits, and all of them were healed.

That's true- but it is also the ONLY instance of this type of mass healing reported. None of the others are mentioned ministering healing on such a mass footing - I don't generally take a one time instance and make it a blanket statement. That is just how I was taught.

lismore said:
I don't think there's anything like this today?

Not that I am aware of. Nor did it ever happen again that I know of.

lismore said:
Yes the Word Of God the Bible is still inspired. The writing is ended as you say, but that's because there are no more apostles to write scripture? The Canon closed when the Apostle John died, because he was the last.

He was the last of the 12 Apostles of the Lamb - and we agree that the canon was closed.

lismore said:
What an apostle wrote was considered to be part of the Bible, the inspired word of God, just as if God himself was speaking.

We believe that the Word of God is Holy Spirit Breathed - but you do realize that Luke and Mark were not Apostles, yet God used them to write the Gospels and the Book of Acts.

lismore said:
As Peter said about Paul's writings:

There are some things in them that are hard to understand, which the ignorant and unstable twist to their own destruction, as they do the other Scriptures (2 Peter 3:16).

lismore said:
In the bible the words of a real Prophet or Apostle were considered to be infallible, the very words of God. It's a high standard.

Where does Scripture state that?

lismore said:
Could that be talking of the closed Canon, which we now have?

No -

13 till we all come to the unity of the faith and of the knowledge of the Son of God - have we done this?

, to a perfect man, to the measure of the stature of the fullness of Christ; - are we a perfect man to the measure of the stature of the fullness of Christ?

14 that we should no longer be children, tossed to and fro and carried about with every wind of doctrine - Have we stopped being tossed to and fro by every wind of doctrine? Look to CF as a micrcasm and how many doctrines there are just here.

by the trickery of men, in the cunning craftiness of deceitful plotting - has this ended.

God Bless You also my friend.

AutisticAnglican · 2025-12-02T15:20:07-0600

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Chesterton · 2025-12-02T15:18:50-0600

partinobodycular said:
Is that 'yikes' in response to the video, or my affinity with it?

Within the first minute of the video, he says he believes in God, and in the next breath says he doesn't know whether God is real or a social construct, which indicates he doesn't know the difference between reality and social constructs. Do you believe that Americans driving on the right-hand side of the road is in any way "real"? Do you believe that the dollar bill in your pocket is "really" worth anything more than any another rectangular piece of paper?

Unqualified · 2025-12-02T15:17:46-0600

Movies, radio, tv, magazines. It’s a good fit. Maybe not mainstream, but a lot of it online. Welcome to the forum
@Coolerranch . Where are you way out in Montana or sumthing?

WordSword · 2025-12-02T15:17:37-0600

“For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures” (1Co 15:3, 4). This seems to have been the first truth preached by the Apostle Paul. It is plain that such a truth does not in itself clear us from the world, nor give us the realization of our union with Christ on high. It is something done for us (if we accept it—NC), and does not in itself reveal relationship, although it is marvelously suited to show the love of God, the measure being the gift of His Son.

There are multitudes of persons, to whom we should not deny the Christian name, who reach only to this state (going no further than just believing in Christ—NC). They would mourn over any teaching which did not embody the death of Christ as the only meritorious cause of their acceptance before God—a death to save the lost. Hence they would alike reject as valid the ritualism of the day—the pomp of symbolism, and the intellectual setting up of man, and, if they went so far, would insist of the doctrine of justification by faith alone.

With this class of persons, you will find it difficult to maintain a spiritual conversation. They can talk with real earnestness of the results of Christianity, but they cannot really talk of Christ Himself, since they only know of what He has done, rather than what He is in Himself. Such persons, alive to the necessity of a religious life, are more or less safe as to the properties of conduct.

It belongs to them to cultivate the arts and sciences, and to show a respectable, nay, even a religious hue over everything around them; for ignorant of “the sentence of death” in themselves (2Co 1:9), they must fill up life by embellishing “the old man”; in short, they would get the unrenewed—man out of his sinful ways by presenting a man’s own self to him under a more attractive guise. They are not deeply experienced in the ruin of man, but think that something good may yet be made out of it; and all this without at all meaning to deny Christ.

Now the next step, which ought to be known after the fact of Christ dying for our sins and rising again, is that we died with Him. This is unfolded in Romans 6:6: “our old man is crucified with Him.” To have died with the Lord Jesus is a different thing from Christ dying for us (He died for the world but He was not received by most—NC). A temptation arises, it may be some cast of the eye to which the flesh would give way; but I say I cannot entertain it because I am dead (temptation to a believer is not able to get him to desire to lust because of Phl 2:13—NC). People remain in this state for a long time. Their demeanor is, to a certain extent, doleful. They begin to understand the deeper aspects of Christianity, but they are not yet in the experience of the life that comes out of death.

The next stage is that I am not only dead with Christ but alive with Him from the dead—“If ye then be risen with Christ” (Col 3:1). When I only knew that I was dead, there was divine certainty that the old man was crucified by the death of Christ, but no joy. But to be alive with Christ from the dead not only gives me to see a Person—a glorious Object before me, with all His surroundings—but I learn to enjoy divine fellowship with Him there on high, “for your life is hidden with Christ in God” (Col 3:3).

—William Wigram (1872 – 1953)

MJS devotional excerpt for December 2

“The believer, having received ‘the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus,’ comes under the influence of the ‘law’ of that Spirit (Rom. 8:2). The operating principle of ‘the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus’ ever works in the direction of profound self-judgment, and of the consciousness that we have in the Lord Jesus not only righteousness, but a divine Source of satisfaction and strength.

“This ‘law’ operates not to give a sense of claim (law), but of divine gift (grace) and resource and support. And thus it makes the one in whom it operates free from ‘the law of sin and death.’ It gives the consciousness that divine goodness is an unfailing resource for our hearts, and that all the treasures of that goodness are stored up in Christ Jesus, that we may learn them there, and find the life of our spirits in the growing knowledge of Him.

—Charles Andrew Coates (1862-1945)

“‘The law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus’ made me ‘free from the law of sin and death’ (Rom. 8:2)—not ‘the life,’ but ‘the Spirit of life,’—not our effort, but divine strength; not self-occupation, but occupation with Him in whom we are before the Father, and in whom the divine favor rests upon us full and constant, because on Him it rests.

“There is the substitution of the power of the Spirit for the power of a right will and human effort, the substitution therefore of occupation with the glorified Lord Jesus Christ for occupation with spiritual growth; for then and thus alone is growth obtained.”

—Frederick William Grant (1834-1902

None But The Hungry Heart

HARK! · 2025-12-02T15:14:21-0600

Another record?

WordSword · 2025-12-02T15:14:01-0600

NewLifeInChristJesus said:
This is the beginning of wisdom. With these great truths as the foundation, we go on to learn that there is now no condemnation to those who are in Christ (Rom 8:1), that we are joined to the Lord and are one spirit with Him (1 Cor 6:17), that living in the Spirit compels us to walk in the Spirit (Ga 5:25), and that walking in the Spirit is the only way to not fulfill the lusts of the flesh (Ga 5:16-17). We can rejoice in the fact that the law's requirements for righteousness are satisfied in us because new life in Christ has set us free from the law of sin and death (Rom 8:2-4). In short, we are able to stop pursuing righteousness because we already have it in Christ, and we are able to turn our attention to living out what He has already given us. New life in Christ Jesus is truly everything we need for life and godliness.

Hi, and very nicely put! God knows we will always want to "please" Him, even when we ignorantly sin; because He "works" this "in you" (Phl 2:13).

iluvatar5150 · 2025-12-02T15:12:33-0600

Landon Caeli said:
The stated need to put Islam into every home is aggressive.

It is? It sounds like every call for revival and evangelism that I've ever heard. I guess that could be considered aggressive, but that strikes me as an odd thing for a Christian to throw shade at.

Landon Caeli said:
Do you agree that there are a lot of aggressive aspects with Islam?

There are some, sure.

Landon Caeli said:
Or am I not supposed to talk about these things?

You can talk about whatever the mods permit.

JulieB67 · 2025-12-02T15:11:16-0600

Hentenza said:
“Blessed are those who wash their robes, so that they will have the right to the tree of life, and may enter the city by the gates. Outside are the dogs, the sorcerers, the sexually immoral persons, the murderers, the idolaters, and everyone who loves and practices lying.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭22‬:‭14‬-‭15‬ ‭NASB2020‬‬

We are still talking in the future tense here. We have to remember this revelation is being revealed to us. Judgement Day has not arrived and the new heaven and earth are not in place as of yet. So he is just reiterating these two facts. And we see what happens to the former at Judgement Day. They are thrown into the Lake of Fire which is the second "death". It's not life in any way shape or form. You talk about Jesus misspeaking. Did he here? When he calls it the second "death"? I mean, at this point, why even insert the word death all throughout the bible if it doesn't mean just that? And this most importantly is called the "second" death. Which certainly points to it being final and coinciding with Matthew 10:28.

Revelation 22:14 "Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city."

Revelation 22:15 "For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie."

We have to continue to take the bible as a whole. When we do, it's always been life or death.

Actually appolumi does not only mean destroy

In the context it is given as destroying both body and soul, the definition is clear. As are all of the other verses that pair it with life. It's not life or ruination in hell. You are inserting that both have eternal life in all of these verses and that's not the case and that's not what's written.

Hey, I was taught the same as you've been taught but upon study, it's not there when we take the bible as a whole. And it's also not in the nature of God, who doesn't even want anyone to die. And when we know this fact, we can reasonably know he's not going to burn someone for an eternity. He's going to destroy them in the Lake of Fire and then go on with the new heaven and earth.

JosephZ · 2025-12-02T15:07:13-0600

another_lost_guy said:
Susan rosenberg was involved in the 1971 Capitol bombing

The 1971 bombing was carried out by the Weather Underground, she wasn't associated with that group. She was associated with the group that splintered off from the Weather Underground, which carried out a bombing at the Capitol in 1983, but even then, she wasn't found to be directly involved.

Aryeh Jay · 2025-12-02T15:04:21-0600

GoldenBoy89 said:
It’s like people have completely forgotten what’s it’s like to not have someone constantly try to politicize every single thing that happens.

And speaking of politicizing, when is the President going to order the flag lowered for the death of one of our troops?

Landon Caeli · 2025-12-02T14:58:39-0600

iluvatar5150 said:
Then what was the point of posting the video of the street preacher? What's that got to do with terrorism?

The stated need to put Islam into every home is aggressive. Wearing a mock suicide vest with wires hanging out is intimidating and agressive. Islamic terrorism is also aggressive. Do you agree that there are a lot of aggressive aspects with Islam?

Or am I not supposed to talk about these things?

essentialsaltes · 2025-12-02T14:56:21-0600

essentialsaltes said:
Laura Loomer is now an accredited journalist at the Pentagon.

I would like to wake up from this.

sjastro · 2025-12-02T14:54:54-0600

The nonsense perpetrated by @stevevw there is no evidence of the ancient Egyptians using conventional tools particularly during the Old Kingdom is refuted by the following table.

Parameter	What It Shows	Archaeological Evidence	Implication (Supports Conventional Tools)
1. Surviving Tools	Direct physical proof of technology used	Copper chisels, stone hammers, dolerite pounders, bow drills, tubular copper drills, flint blades, polishing stones found in tombs, quarries, workshops	Demonstrates the tool types available and used — no unknown technology required
2. Workshop Assemblages	Context evidence of manufacturing	Finds at Giza, Saqqara, Deir el-Medina, Aswan, Hierakonpolis show tool kits, unfinished objects, debitage	Confirms how tools were applied in situ
3. Unfinished Artifacts	“Frozen moments” of work	Partially carved granite statues, bowls, and obelisks showing intermediate stages	Shows step-by-step stages achievable using chiseling, pounding, rubbing, and drilling
4. Quarry Tool Marks	Direct traces of working stone	Dolerite pounding pits, copper chisel marks, wedge holes at Aswan, Gebel el-Silsila, Tura	Matches tools that were found—no anomalous machining marks
5. Drill Holes Showing Spiral Grooves	Characteristic signature of rotary abrasion	Spiral striations created by quartz sand abrasive + copper tube drills	Matches experimental reproduction; not consistent with high-speed machinery
6. Bow Drill Evidence	Attested drilling method	Bow drills found in tombs; depictions in Old Kingdom tomb scenes	Explains small circular holes and vessel hollowing
7. Tubular Copper Drills	Explains core drilling	Archaeological copper tubes + cores from granite and limestone	Reproduced experimentally to match Egyptian core geometry
8. Microstructure of Tool Marks	Reveals tool hardness and motion	Microscopy shows crushing, abrasion patterns, and quartz-sand scoring	Consistent with pounding stones and sand abrasives, not high-speed cutting
9. Dolerite Pounding Depressions	Mechanically distinct from carving	Aswan quarries show large bowl-shaped depressions where dolerite was repeatedly hammered	Demonstrates long-term mechanical wear, consistent with manual pounding
10. Sand Abrasive Residues	Confirms abrasive technique	Quartz grains embedded in drill grooves and polishing scratches	Matches known Egyptian use of desert sand as abrasive
11. Relief Cutting Evidence	Explains shallow arcs and intricate shapes	Tool marks consistent with chisels, bow drills, and abrasion finishing	No anomalous cutting forces required
12. Overlapping Drill Holes	Technique for cutting curves	Bow drills used to make multiple small holes that were later chiseled out	Archaeologically known method for producing arcs and internal corners
13. Tube Drill Diameter Limits	Confirms realistic tool sizes	Most copper tube drills 1–10 cm diameter; none at “micro” scale	Supports traditional methods; no micro-machining attested
14. Experimental Archaeology	Modern replication validates plausibility	Engineers (Stocks, Dunnell, Denys Stocks, stonemasons) replicated granite cutting, drilling, and vase-making with known tools	Demonstrates all observed marks can be reproduced without advanced technology
15. Tomb & Temple Depictions	Visual documentation of tool use	Old Kingdom scenes show bow drills, pounders, chisels, saws, polishing	No depictions of unknown technologies
16. Stratigraphic Context	Dates tools to correct periods	Tools found in layers matching Old Kingdom and Middle Kingdom chronology	Confirms Egyptians had these tools at the time monuments were built
17. Lack of Residues from Advanced Machinery	Negative evidence	No metal alloys, bearings, lubricants, high-speed wear patterns	Strongly argues against machinery of unknown type
18. Consistency Across Sites	Tool marks uniform across Egypt	Same tools used in Saqqara, Giza, Aswan, Luxor, Sinai	Implies widespread traditional craft, not lost advanced tech
19. Material Science Limits	Copper + quartz abrasive is adequate	Quartz abrasive has Mohs hardness 7 → can cut granite at 6–7	No exotic materials needed
20. Cultural Continuity	Skills evolved over centuries	Old to New Kingdom shows incremental improvement	No sudden appearance of advanced technology

essentialsaltes · 2025-12-02T14:52:48-0600

Servus said:
So the report comes from www.scribd.com rather than a .gov source and it was uploaded by NYT.

It is not a government document. It was prepared by current and former FBI staff.

iluvatar5150 · 2025-12-02T14:51:16-0600

Landon Caeli said:
I never said that. This is a discussion about terrorism, and Islam.

Then what was the point of posting the video of the street preacher? What's that got to do with terrorism?

Landon Caeli · 2025-12-02T14:50:11-0600

iluvatar5150 said:
So it's just more general "Muslims bad"?

I never said that. This is a discussion about terrorism, and Islam. Whatever you would like to discuss in regards to the topic is open for discussion.

..If you want to complain, and divert attention elsewhere, then that's not open for discussion.

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