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Do you keep the Sabbath? (poll)

You haven't addressed anything in her post or the video. If it isn't true, show it not to be true through the Scripture. Take care
I have addressed every single one of her pet verses and yet she continues to post them in error. I don’t do video. My conversation is not with the guy in the video.
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The NEA is pushing far left teaching upon children

Believe it or not, there are teachers who do not want to teach this to children, and “they should just quit” in not an acceptable response.
Yeah, this whole debacle puts all kinds of people in difficult positions professionally as well as violations of one’s own moral conscience.

If there is someone I know who I know is not presenting as their biological sex. I avoid pronouns altogether. I have a problem pretending something is true that I know isn’t.

I know a couple of “trans” people and at least the one I know well, has not said anything to me about my lack of pronoun use.

It’s actually a very sad situation. This is a fellow veteran who’s now been in a locked psych unit at a VA facility for almost 3 months now….basically in order to keep her alive.

And I think I’m pretty much the only person who goes to see her? One other vet has been up there. She’s always “happy” to see me.

It kills me though because where’s all the “trans allies” blah blah blah. No it’s the conservative Christian (who voted for Trump on top of it) who’s visiting her basically because I don’t want to see her die!

Last visit, we spent an hour and half listening to Christian music on her phone. She said the songs help her feel better.

❤️‍ So… yeah.
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Do you keep the Sabbath? (poll)

I never wrote the Ten Commandments- that's God's Testimony that the Holy Spirit personally wrote Deut4:13 Exo31:18 Rev15:5, something He said He would not change. No where in the entire Bible were the apostles commissioned to change God's times and laws and teach another gospel than what God commanded.

Have you ever dated someone that did all kinds of things for you? Gave you everything, but what you asked. I think we can do that to God. But Lord Lord did I not do this in your name, but Lord Lord did I not do that in your name, only for Him to say I do not know you Mat 7:21-23 because you did not do what I asked.1John2:3-4 God wrote out what He asked plainly in Stone - than wrote it in our hearts 2Cor3:3 Heb8:10 Changing a jot or tittle, yet alone a whole commandment or two, is no longer doing what He asks, but our own will. Its really that simple. We can follow the crowd, or be faithful to what God actually said that comes with His power of His sanctification and blessings. Something no church has the power to do, despite their claims.



If you want the blessing and sanctification of God- keep the Sabbath Isa56:2 Eze20:12- if you want our own sanctification and believe a church has more power than God- one to remove His sanctification and than transfer to a day God made for works and labors Exo20:9 by all means keep going in the direction your heading. We are told whoever we obey is who we serve (worship) Rom6:16 so I guess it will get sorted out in God's time.


This is a misunderstanding of Scripture. You will not find one verse in the entire Bible where the apostles changed God's times and laws- that is something they understood to be bad Dan7:25 and not something they ever did in words or in actions. They faithfully kept every Sabbath in church with both Jews and Gentiles just as Jesus said- My house will be a house of prayer for all nations Mat21:13 and that is on the Sabbath- just like Jesus did who was theirs and our example to follow Luke 4:16 for those who want to join themselves to God, love His name(God) and to be His servants and holds fast to God's covenant- that He said He would not alter His words Psa89:34 not a jot or tittle Mat5:18-19

Isa 56:6“Also the sons of the foreigner
Who join themselves to the Lord, to serve Him,
And to love the name of the Lord, to be His servants—
Everyone who keeps from defiling the Sabbath,
And holds fast My covenant
7 Even them I will bring to My holy mountain,
And make them joyful in My house of prayer.
Their burnt offerings and their sacrifices
Will be accepted on My altar;
For My house shall be called a house of prayer for all nations.


This is what Jesus said who has all authority

Mat 28:18 And Jesus came and spoke to them, saying, “All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth. 19 Go [c]therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, 20 teaching them to observe all things that I have commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age.” [d]Amen.

No wonder why the apostles observed every Sabbath decades after the Cross with both Jews and Gentiles as Jesus predicted

Acts 13:42 So when the Jews went out of the synagogue, the Gentiles begged that these words might be preached to them the next Sabbath.

Acts 13:44 On the next Sabbath almost the whole city came together to hear the word of God.

(fulfillment of Jesus prophecy that My house will be a house of prayer for all nations)

Acts 18:4 And he reasoned in the synagogue every Sabbath, and persuaded both Jews and Greeks.

Acts 15:21 For Moses has had throughout many generations those who preach him in every city, being read in the synagogues every Sabbath.”

Because God does not change. The Sabbath was from the very beginning made for man started at Creation Exo20:11 and will continue on for eternity where all of God's saints (saved) will continue the Sabbath for worship but instead of in spirit since sin separated man from God, it will be before the Lord Isa66:22-23

We do not want to miss this! But if we are so opposed to God's holy day now, will we suddenly want to once He returns? If God was going to force His will on people we would not be in the mess we are in today a world full of sin and sorrow. We can follow traditions, but it doesn't come with the sanctification or power of God, no wonder why Jesus told us to obey God's commandments over man made ones Mark7:7-13 Mat15:3-14 and the apostles never taught anything different Col2:8

I do wish you well and hope you will consider what God says because while there may be temporary great authority on this earth that most follow- its not equal to God's.
Then why did you take until 1860 to start preaching? No one, not even Ellen White taught as you did before that
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Creation of Man patterned after God - the GodHead

You've explained it well here but still..................I have to pray about it. It's a hard thing to understand :praying:
Yes, it can be difficult!

God is a uniplural word
Man is a uniplural word

The whole creation of Man with its billions, upon billions of lives, is still one.

The same as looking at God with Three in the Godhead is still One

A uniplural noun is a word that appears in the plural form but is used for singular and plural subjects alike.

May the Holy Spirit guide your understanding’
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Do you keep the Sabbath? (poll)

You haven't addressed anything in her post or the video. If it isn't true, show it not to be true through the Scripture. Take care
So you prefer free thought over apostolic teaching. That is prerogative God gives you.
It does not make you right
Scripture subject to the interpretation of man is scripture subject to the interpretation of man, it is not scripture as originally intended
To have scripture as intended by God, we must learn from His ambassadors, the Apostles. Those were the ones whom He sent, not someone who read the Bible and decided to make up their own denomination and call other Christians apostate or carry the mark of the beast if they are not believed. That is not in scripture, Apostolic teaching is in scripture

So I don’t convince you. So what ? Since when has God said go into all the world and convince people? He said to go into the world and preach the Gospel. You can either follow it or not.


Would you not agree that one of the saddest positions for a person to be in is to think they are following the Gospel, but are deceived?

How do you know something is true? Do you just get a feeling? Or do you look for evidence that goes against your feelings? If you don’t look for evidence, you make God subject to your feelings

That is sad to me, which is why we continue to proclaim the word to you. If you don’t study, you don’t understand, if you don’t want to understand, then you have become like the Church at Laodicea, and when you read revelation, you know that is not a good place to be
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Cursed is the heart of this people

This is where you and I disagree, because I don't think that's true. To me mercy isn't about what someone deserves, it's about what we as victims are willing to forgive, in spite of what they deserve. For me, that's what being a Christian is all about... to do justly... to love mercy... and to walk humbly with thy God. And I can't help but believe that that last bit isn't just talking about my God, or your God, but anybody's God. Do those three things, and you're a Christian, simply because of what you do, and not because of what you call yourself. Thus it can say 'agnostic' in my profile and I trust that in God's eyes it really doesn't matter... His mercy will come regardless.

I think I’m pretty damn merciful.
So who are these people? Who are these Pharisees? It wasn't the Gentiles that Jesus rebuked, or the Samaritans, or the tax collectors, or even the Romans. But there was something about the Pharisees in particular that Jesus disliked. To me it's their strict adherence to the law, and the little room that this left for mercy. Yes, Jesus told the adulteress to go and sin no more, but only after showing her mercy.

This is why I told you to look in the mirror, because you seem to be someone who's too preoccupied with with every jot and tittle of a book that can actually be reduced down to two simple commandments... 'love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy strength, and with all thy mind; and thy neighbor as thyself.'

If I've misjudged you, then please accept my apology.

Back in the day, they did not have fanciful, scientific words like narcissist and psychopath, so in the Biblical universe, they are called Pharisees. In other words, what you would call an archetype.

It’s interesting that in the story about the adulteress, the mob had the intellectual capacity to consider if the law applies to them as well, in a broader sense maybe, and the fear of God enough to change their ways. The Pharisees had neither of those qualities and only used the law for their own end like modern public servant.

I think what is talked about here is relevant as well.
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Disneyland 'MAGA Invasion' Organizers Reveal Plans to 'Trigger' Guests and ‘Make Disney Great Again’



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Current single day ticket prices range from $104-$224 per person. I guess if they want to spend that kind of money just to “trigger the libs” and also get thrown out of the park, go for it.





Best way to trigger the libs is to self-own.

For example, look at the current state of the economy.
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Historic Premillennialism vs Amillennialism

The "rapture" is the first resurrection .... there is no "secrete rapture" ... personally I don't like or use the term. There are two resurrections.
Not according to the authoritative apostolic teaching (1 Th 4:16-17) of Christ (Lk 1:16),

unless the rebirth from eternal death into eternal life by the sovereign will (as unaccountable as the wind, Jn 3:6-8) of the Holy Spirit (Jn 3:3-5) is referred to metaphorically as a "resurrection" in the prophetic riddle (Nu 12:6-8) of Rev.
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the myth of flat earth debunked again


Very unlikely.

So again, no one has been able to explain why, on a flat earth, we wouldn't have examples of the photos above. We should be able to see right to end of the road or to the end of the line of powerlines. But we don't.

Ergo, no flat earth.
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The NEA is pushing far left teaching upon children

I have baaaaad skills with my smart phone and auto correct.

I'll clean it up later today so you can pretend to address my points if you like.
I already addressed your points. You can go back and read post 32 if you’re going to pretend to address what is written there.
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Six Democrats urge military members to 'refuse illegal orders' in viral video; Hegseth responds

Military personnel take an oath to the Constitution. It is also for military operations. Of course, they also have rules of engagement, which are far stricter than what police officers are supposed to follow.
Military personnel do not have the authority to interpret the Constitution, however.
No military court is going to rule a presidential order as "unconstitutional."
That's never going to happen.
That is out of their jurisdictional wheelhouse.

I understand death. What military rule allows the military to kill civilians. There is nothing in the videos supplied to the public which shows any attempt to stop or disable the boats without killing the occupants. It has also not been provided to Congress.
The military kills civilians all the time. What are you talking about?
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"Don't Give up the Ship"

What about the enlisted men who followed Calley's orders?
Some of them faced court-martial, but none of them was convicted.

The Calley case was the specific issue that caused the DoD to greatly enhance its Law of Armed Conflict training as I knew it (and taught it) during my career. Immense emphasis was placed on the soldiers understanding what an "illegal order" specifically is, what an "illegal order" would look like in their specific military specialties, and that they had a duty to disobey an illegal order.

For instance, the specific kinds of things that would be criminal in my task of targeting nuclear weapons in a major command headquarters are different from the kinds of things that would be criminal for an infantry soldier in the field.

The military judicial system has some interesting differences from the civilian judicial system, and one of them is that justifiable ignorance of the law is a defense. That's why military leadership advises troops of their duties "nine ways from Sunday and on every Monday," because if the troop can prove his ignorance or confusion was reasonable, he may walk.

In the case of Calley's soldiers, the military courts realized that there was too much confusion of who did what and who knew what in that moment of "fog of war" to convict anyone else.

I don't think that philosophical judgements are being called for and that for most soldiers the problem does not even arise, but it might, and it puts the soldiers themselves in a difficult position. It's not merely a "philosophical position" that a National Guard soldier should not shoot his own unarmed fellow citizens, even they they have gotten away with it in the past.
I keep saying: You are posting things for which specific laws already exist. There are already specific laws covering "shooting his own unarmed fellow citizens." So, no, that would call for philosophical judgments. Y'all keep doing that. Everything you think of is already covered by existing laws and would be "illegal orders."

My point continues to be: Trump is never going to issue a clearly "illegal order." His lawyers are smarter than that. They are going to nuance the hell out of his orders, so that they will call for philosophical judgments from Corporal Snuffy Smith.
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The NEA is pushing far left teaching upon children

That is not the what one would believe after reading this



on the website of the american psychiatric association (What is Gender Dysphoria?)
Well that’s an interesting definition. It used to be that one needed a gender dysphoria diagnosis to get insurance to pay for the hormone treatments. (I don’t think that even still now, no insurance (in the US at least) will pay for the surgery. They have to go by the DSM-5R criteria for diagnostic purposes / at least as related to insurance.

Insurance will at least still cover counseling services.

So the definition you quoted there is interesting; although it may not match the DSM diagnosis criteria. It takes a lot to update the DSM which I think was last updated a year or more ago now?

But I can see too where that definition may fit for men who have autogynephielia. And want surgery.

There’s been a big activist push to get all “sexual aberration” diagnoses removed. Which…. We’ll see where that goes; because ones that get people incarcerated, treatment is still payed for through public mental health services funding. Which mental health services (except for populations like veterans; is quickly disappearing; (and has been for almost 2 decades now.

So yes, what you posted could be the coming definition in the next DSM revision.
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The Reality of Free Will

I think the fact that some can lead more virtuous lives than others displays that the extent of our free will is within our control. There is no need of any other "proof". We limit ourselves.
C'mon, you know better than that. . .

Just because I can climb a tree as does a monkey doesn't mean I, therefore, can safely jump from tree to tree several feet apart. :)
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