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samaus123456789 · 2025-12-04T20:46:48-0600

Guojing said:
When you say new Jerusalem, are you referring to heaven, or a place on earth?

Yes new heaven, and earth then the new Jerusalem comes down to it. By the sound of it it is not made of periodic matter like we have now carbon nitrogen etc as the gold is clear sheets which does not exist in our world. So the new heaven, and earth is not made of periodic matter whatever it is made of. You never answered my question- are you IO preterist?

samaus123456789 · 2025-12-04T20:43:37-0600

Revelation was written 41 AD. Paul in 2 Corinthians 12, 55 AD said he knew someone 14 years earlier caught up to heaven that saw things that can't be written which is what happens to John in Revelation 10:4 ; an angel tells him don't write some things down. Paul doesn't say it was the author of Revelation he is talking about because he does not want to boast. Internally in Rev 11 the temple is still standing, and being destroyed which is describing the Romans doing it 70 AD, and Daniel 9 which ended 70 AD said vision, and prophecy would stop 70 AD, and Revelation contains vision, and prophecy. Dan 9 was saying inspired scripture would stop 70 AD. I reject external evidence if it conflicts with inspired scripture therefore I reject apocryphal acts of John (150 AD), and Irenaeus (180 AD) that say Revelation was written in the 90s AD under Domitian. They must of had corrupted oral traditions of when it was written passed on to them.

samaus123456789 · 2025-12-04T20:35:50-0600

I made another post on Jude, and 1 Enoch (not pseudepigrapha) Jude, and 1 Enoch

Assumption of Moses has the same kind of language 1 Enoch 1:1-9 uses about 70 AD that Jude quotes. Also same kind of language Jesus uses in Math 24 about 70 AD. This book is very important. It is on audiobook on youtube (same with 1 Enoch). Some parts are quite at the end but there is one version on youtube that is the same sound level all the way through.

Assumption of Moses. Moses dying words to Joshua appointing him head of the Israelites. Internally written by Moses, Joshua, and someone else at the time of coming into Canaan around 1400 BC, and is not pseudepigrapha.

Chapter 10

1 And then His kingdom will appear throughout all His creation,
And then Satan will be no more,
And sorrow will depart with him.

2. Then the hands of the angel will be filled
And he will be appointed chief,
And he will forthwith avenge them of their
enemies.

Those things above were about Jesus first century death burial resurrection the kingdom of heaven arriving on Pentecost through the holy spirit, Michael the angel fighting the devil, and winning in Revelation 12 which was prophesied in Daniel 12, and happened when Jesus said now is the time for the prince of this world to be cast down, and behold I see satan fall like lightning from heaven. Revelation 1-12 happened 70 AD Rev 13-22 is future.

This section here is like 1 Enoch 1:1-9

3 For the Heavenly One shall arise from
the throne of His kingdom,
And shall come out of His holy habitation
With indignation and wrath for His children.
4. And the earth shall quake : even to its
bounds shall it be shaken:
And the lofty mountains shall be brought
low and shall be shaken,
And the valleys shall fall. 1
5. The sun shall not give his light, and the
horns of the moon shall be turned into
darkness,
And they shall be broken, and the whole of
the moon shall be turned into blood.2
And the circuit 3 of the stars shall be disordered;
And the sea shall fall even to the abyss ;
The fountains of waters shall fail,
And the rivers be afraid. 4
7. Because the Most High God, the Eternal,
the Only God shall arise,
And manifest Himself to punish the nations,
And to destroy all their idols

Both Enoch, and Moses started out with a blessing, and also refer to themselves in third person.

Deuteronomy 33

33 This is the blessing that Moses the man of God pronounced on the Israelites before his death. 2 He said:

“The Lord came from Sinai
and dawned over them from Seir;
he shone forth from Mount Paran.
He came with[a] myriads of holy ones
from the south, from his mountain slopes.

Habakkuk 3
God came from Teman,
the Holy One from Mount Paran.
His glory covered the heavens
and his praise filled the earth.
4 His splendor was like the sunrise;
rays flashed from his hand,
where his power was hidden.
5 Plague went before him;
pestilence followed his steps.
6 He stood, and shook the earth;
he looked, and made the nations tremble.
The ancient mountains crumbled
and the age-old hills collapsed—
but he marches on forever.

Mathew 24 19. Jesus about 70 AD.
“Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light, and the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken.

Revelation 6:12
12 When he opened the sixth seal, I looked, and behold, there was a great earthquake, and the sun became black as sackcloth, the full moon became like blood,

Joel 2:10. Internally Joel can be written in the 500s BC. Has the same language but this section is about Maccabees

10 The earth quakes before them;
the heavens tremble.
The sun and the moon are darkened,
and the stars withdraw their shining.

Acts 2 cites the bottom part of Joel 2 about Pentecost, and the day of the lord - Gods judgment on Jerusalem 70 AD

16 No, this is what was spoken by the prophet Joel:

17 “‘In the last days, God says,
I will pour out my Spirit on all people.
Your sons and daughters will prophesy,
your young men will see visions,
your old men will dream dreams.
18 Even on my servants, both men and women,
I will pour out my Spirit in those days,
and they will prophesy.
19 I will show wonders in the heavens above
and signs on the earth below,
blood and fire and billows of smoke.
20 The sun will be turned to darkness
and the moon to blood
before the coming of the great and glorious day of the Lord.
21 And everyone who calls
on the name of the Lord will be saved.’[c]
19 And I will show wonders in the heavens above
and signs on the earth below,
blood, and fire, and vapor of smoke;
20 the sun shall be turned to darkness
and the moon to blood,
before the day of the Lord comes, the great and magnificent day.

Joel 2

“And afterward,
I will pour out my Spirit on all people.
Your sons and daughters will prophesy,
your old men will dream dreams,
your young men will see visions.
29 Even on my servants, both men and women,
I will pour out my Spirit in those days.
30 I will show wonders in the heavens
and on the earth,
blood and fire and billows of smoke.
31 The sun will be turned to darkness
and the moon to blood
before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the Lord.
32 And everyone who calls
on the name of the Lord will be saved;
for on Mount Zion and in Jerusalem
there will be deliverance,
as the Lord has said,
even among the survivors
whom the Lord calls.[c]

Mark 13:24-25
24 “But in those days, after that tribulation, the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light, 25 and the stars will be falling from heaven, and the powers in the heavens will be shaken.

Joel 3. Same kind of language but I think about Maccabees not 70 AD.

15 The sun and moon will be darkened,
and the stars no longer shine.
16 The Lord will roar from Zion
and thunder from Jerusalem;
the earth and the heavens will tremble.
But the Lord will be a refuge for his people,
a stronghold for the people of Israel.

Isaiah 13:9 about God using the Medes to destroy Babylon after they judge Israel in the 500s BC.

See, the day of the Lord is coming
—a cruel day, with wrath and fierce anger—
to make the land desolate
and destroy the sinners within it.
10 The stars of heaven and their constellations
will not show their light.
The rising sun will be darkened
and the moon will not give its light.
11 I will punish the world for its evil,
the wicked for their sins.
I will put an end to the arrogance of the haughty
and will humble the pride of the ruthless.
12 I will make people scarcer than pure gold,
more rare than the gold of Ophir.
13 Therefore I will make the heavens tremble;
and the earth will shake from its place
at the wrath of the Lord Almighty,
in the day of his burning anger.

Psalm 97

1 The Lord reigns, let the earth be glad;
let the distant shores rejoice.
2 Clouds and thick darkness surround him;
righteousness and justice are the foundation of his throne.
3 Fire goes before him
and consumes his foes on every side.
4 His lightning lights up the world;
the earth sees and trembles.
5 The mountains melt like wax before the Lord,
before the Lord of all the earth.
6 The heavens proclaim his righteousness,
and all peoples see his glory.

Luke 21:22. Jesus about 70 AD
For this is the time of punishment in fulfillment of all that has been written.

Galatians 4:25

25 Now Hagar stands for Mount Sinai in Arabia and corresponds to the present city of Jerusalem, because she is in slavery with her children.

Jude
14 Enoch, the seventh from Adam, prophesied about them: “See, the Lord is coming with thousands upon thousands of his holy ones
15 to judge everyone, and to convict all of them of all the ungodly acts they have committed in their ungodliness, and of all the defiant words ungodly sinners have spoken against him.”

1 Enoch 1:1-9. 1 Enoch internally is written pre flood, and is not pseudepigrapha.

1. The words of the blessing of Enoch, wherewith he blessed the elect ⌈⌈and⌉⌉ righteous, who will be living in the day of tribulation, when all the wicked ⌈⌈and godless⌉⌉ are to be removed. 2. And he took up his parable and said--Enoch a righteous man, whose eyes were opened by God, saw the vision of the Holy One in the heavens, ⌈which⌉ the angels showed me, and from them I heard everything, and from them I understood as I saw, but not for this generation, but for a remote one which is for to come. 3. Concerning the elect I said, and took up my parable concerning them:

The Holy Great One will come forth from His dwelling,
4. And the eternal God will tread upon the earth, (even) on Mount Sinai,
⌈And appear from His camp⌉
And appear in the strength of His might from the heaven of heavens.

5. And all shall be smitten with fear
And the Watchers shall quake,
And great fear and trembling shall seize them unto the ends of the earth.

6. And the high mountains shall be shaken,
And the high hills shall be made low,
And shall melt like wax before the flame p. 32

7. And the earth shall be ⌈wholly⌉ rent in sunder,
And all that is upon the earth shall perish,
And there shall be a judgement upon all (men).

8. But with the righteous He will make peace.

And will protect the elect,
And mercy shall be upon them.

And they shall all belong to God,
And they shall be prospered,
And they shall ⌈all⌉ be blessed.

⌈And He will help them all⌉,
And light shall appear unto them,
⌈And He will make peace with them⌉.

9. And behold! He cometh with ten thousands of ⌈His⌉ holy ones
To execute judgement upon all,
And to destroy ⌈all⌉ the ungodly:

And to convict all flesh
Of all the works ⌈of their ungodliness⌉ which they have ungodly committed,
And of all the hard things which ungodly sinners ⌈have spoken⌉ against Him.

So Jesus came back 70 AD like he said he would to the apostles with all the angels over "Mt Sinai" aka Jerusalem, all the Israelites rose from the dead like Daniel 12 said they would at the "end" of waiting for the messiah, the faithful ones got raptured same with some of the living predestined elect remnant of the lost sheep of the house of Israel which was the 144,000 in Rev 7 all saved via belief in Jesus by 70 AD. Gospel of Nicodemus written pre 70 AD inspired apocrypha not pseudepigrapha has more details of the people that raised from the dead the day Jesus died. Jesus said it would be tribulation like Enoch did, and Enoch says it is a prophecy for a remote generation because he is writing pre flood between 5500 BC creation, and around 3300 BC Noahs flood. Revelation 1-12 happened 70 AD but Rev 13-22 is future still. Revelation was written 41 AD when John was exiled to Patmos by Claudius Caesar. It was not written in the 90s AD like Irenaeus, and apocryphal acts of John says.

.Mikha'el. · 2025-12-04T20:33:06-0600

I have been feeling sick lately, dealing with a stubborn cold.

Nithavela · 2025-12-04T20:30:54-0600

jacks said:
Though apparently even though it made little sense, those that heard it acquired all kinds of positive traits.
HERE

That reads like a horoscope. Just a grab bag that anyone can find themselves in. I do, too, and I wasn't raised on that silly statement.

Nithavela · 2025-12-04T20:28:41-0600

ThatRobGuy said:
It shows the dichotomy between the "two worlds"

In the developing world (some would call it third world), they've struggled to procure any kind of edible sustenance.

In first world, they've developed the "Wendy's Baconator Combo meal", a 2700 calorie bomb that can be purchased with 20oz of soda for $9.

There's part of the world that, to quote the late great Sam Kinison, hasn't figured out to "move to where the food is", and there's the other parts that got way too good at making cheap fattening food.

A lot of people are trying to move to where the food is, but for some reason and in spite of the messaging of Sesame Street, the people who live where the food is don't like to share.

Nithavela · 2025-12-04T20:26:06-0600

ThatRobGuy said:
I'm not all that old, but I'm old enough to remember the era of
"We made chicken carrots and asparagus"
"but I want pizza!"
"Well this is what we made"
"but I don't like that"
"Okay then, in that case, go wash up and hit the hay and we'll see you in the morning"

Sometimes, children refuse "healthy foods" because the food isn't prepared to their taste. For example, broccoli (famously disliked by children) has been shown to contain bitter flavour that children are more perceptive of then their parents, which results in the perceived difference in tastyness. Also, children are more likely to have specific bacteria in their mouth that break down the broccoli into foul-smelling gases.

So at least in some cases, children aren't being difficult about food because they want pizza. It really does taste disgusting to them. I know I wouldn't want to eat disguistingly tasting food, though I never was a picky eater as a child. So in those cases, I think a bit of understanding would go a long way. That doesn't mean to always cave into the demand for pizza, but the least one can do is make palatable veggies.

Hate broccoli? Despise Brussels sprouts? Blame the bugs in your mouth

You either love or loathe broccoli and cauliflower, and now researchers have found a new clue as to why kids in particular find these veggies offensive.

www.abc.net.au

Landon Caeli · 2025-12-04T20:24:56-0600

"A motive has not yet been identified. But two people familiar with the matter described Cole’s political beliefs as extremist to the Washington Post. And MS Now reported, also citing two people briefed on the matter, that the suspect has been tied to statements supporting anarchist ideology."

TIME What We Know About Suspect Brian Cole's Arrest in Jan. 6 Pipe Bomb Case

Antifa is a militarist, anarchist enterprise that explicitly calls for the overthrow of the United States Government, law enforcement authorities, and our system of law. It uses illegal means to organize and execute a campaign of violence and terrorism nationwide to accomplish these goals.

The White House Designating Antifa as a Domestic Terrorist Organization

.Mikha'el. · 2025-12-04T20:23:48-0600

Cowboys vs. Lions.

samaus123456789 · 2025-12-04T20:21:08-0600

Good points. 2 Thes 2 when it says temple of God does mean the physical temple which means it had to happen before 70 AD. Likely one of the zealots. The abomination of desolation had to happen before then as well whatever it was . These were not recorded by Josephus. Even if a physical temple was built the spirit of the God of Abraham would not be in it which means it is not possible to defile it. I made this post to show most stuff happened 70 AD Jude, and 1 Enoch but Rev 13-22 is future still.

samaus123456789 · 2025-12-04T20:15:10-0600

Now 445 BC - 483 years to AD times

STEP 1 — Count from 445 BC up to 1 BC: 445 BC → 1 BC gives 445 − 1 = 444 years, so from 445 BC to 1 BC = 444 years.
STEP 2 — There is NO year 0: After 1 BC the next year is AD 1, so we have used 444 of the 483 years.
STEP 3 — Subtract the 444 years already counted: 483 − 444 = 39 years remaining.
STEP 4 — Add the remaining 39 years to AD 1: AD 1 + 39 = AD 40, because AD 1 is year 1 and AD 40 is 39 years later (40 − 1 = 39).
FINAL EQUATION: 445 BC → 1 BC = 444 years; no year 0; 483 − 444 = 39; 1 BC → AD 1 = +1 transition; AD 1 + 39 = AD 40.
FINAL ANSWER: AD 40.

That is using a 365 day years. Over 483 years that is 2415 days difference / 360 = 6.7 years less 40 - 6.7 = 33.3 AD for the crucifixion.
Or if you use the 457 decree, and say the 49 years was not complete until the dedication 408 BC which is fine then 434 years later crucifixion = 27 AD. That is using 365 day years otherwise one has to subtract another 6.7. I think the Nehemiah decree makes more sense. The final 7 was 63-70 AD with the daily sacrifice in the temple being stopped by Eleazar Ben Hanania 66 AD (Josephus). starting the Judean Roman wars ending with the temple being destroyed 70 AD.

Landon Caeli · 2025-12-04T20:12:28-0600

Interesting the case was cracked with "no new information" according to Bondi. It was solved using all the same info the Biden administration had. Weird.

...Maybe they didn't want to solve it.

The Barbarian · 2025-12-04T20:09:04-0600

BPPLEE said:
Candace Owens has lost her mind

Lots of that going on, with the extreme right.

Gene2memE · 2025-12-04T20:02:48-0600

RDKirk said:
I'm not exactly sure what point you're making with regard to my post.

But the men in uniform are operating under the Law of Armed Conflict which specifies what is illegal.

From my own investigation and military intelligence practice, I'd brief that those speedboats are, indeed, in use by drug operatives. The Administration claims that current Congressional armed force authorizations gives them authority to target these vessels, and Congress--as a body--has not disputed that. Congress has not passed any resolutions against it. The matter is being contested in court. When it reaches the Supreme Court, the Supreme Court will not rule on it because the Supreme Court's long-standing precedent is not to get involved with military operations. They leave that to Congress.

Military law speaks in terms of illegal orders being "manifestly illegal" or "patently illegal." If it takes a court to sort out whether an order is illegal, then it is not "manifestly" or "patently" so.

The specific question of whether the Administration is attacking these speedboats illegally is not for anyone in uniform to answer.

That question is for Congress to answer.

But the military is accountable for how they are attacked. They must be attacked within the legal framework of the Law of Armed Conflict that every military member has been taught.

I don't believe this is a situation that falls under the Law of Armed Conflict though.

The claim that these are "narcoterrorists" is a patently a fiction. Drug smuggling plainly fails to meet the definitions of terrorism established under US and international law.

These are civilians being murdered. Yes, they're conducting illegal activities (transporting drugs across international borders). But that's a civil/criminal matter, not a military/defense matter.

This is just extraterritorial and extrajudicial murder.

samaus123456789 · 2025-12-04T19:59:46-0600

It is possible that the city was not properly rebuilt until Nehemiah dedicated the wall which takes place in Nehemiah 12, and chat GPT tells me it is possible that happened 396 BC which was 49 years after 445 BC

Short answer: Yes — it is possible, but only under a non-traditional reconstruction of the chronology.
It is not the standard reading, but it can be argued if Nehemiah 12 describes events many years after the earlier chapters.
1. Standard Chronology (The Common View):
Most scholars hold: Artaxerxes I reigned 465–424 BC; Nehemiah arrived in Jerusalem in 445 BC; Nehemiah’s governorship ended 433 BC; The dedication of the wall happened 445–433 BC.
2. Why an alternative date is possible (the text internally allows it):
Nehemiah 12 contains genealogies extending to Jaddua; Jaddua lived in the time of Alexander the Great (330s BC); This proves Nehemiah 12 includes later material beyond 445 BC.
Therefore the chapter already spans multiple generations.
3. Could the dedication of the wall be later than 445 BC?
Yes, because the dedication in Nehemiah 12 is not dated; It appears long after the wall completion; No internal timestamp links chapter 7 and chapter 12; Thus the dedication could be years or decades later.
4. Could the dedication be as late as 396 BC?
Yes, if Nehemiah lived into the early reign of Artaxerxes II (404–358 BC) or if the dedication narrative was compiled later using Nehemiah’s memoirs plus updated priestly lists.
396 BC is plausible because Jaddua appears in the list; If Jaddua’s era was incorporated, the chapter is clearly updated after Nehemiah’s lifetime.
The only question is whether Nehemiah himself was alive. Nothing in the text says he was not.
5. Strongest argument for a 396 BC dedication:
The presence of Jaddua in Nehemiah 12 shows the chapter includes information from decades later; Once you accept later editing, a 396 BC dedication is textually possible.
6. Strongest argument against a 396 BC dedication:
Nehemiah 12:27–43 uses Nehemiah’s personal style; For him to be alive in 396 BC, he would need to be nearly 90; This is possible but uncommon.
FINAL ANSWER:
Yes, it is possible that the dedication of the wall in Nehemiah 12 occurred in 396 BC; The text does not require 445 BC; Later high priests in the chapter show later material; The only limiting factor is Nehemiah’s age.

iluvatar5150 · 2025-12-04T19:58:10-0600

ThatRobGuy said:
...but is your position on that the "orthodox" position on that?

Granted, It's possible my example wasn't the best to use on that.

I was speaking to the overall mindset of
"The evidence of how critically you've thought about a problem is measured by how much you agree with me, if you would've actually thought about it critically and correctly, you'd have come to the same conclusion as me"

How many times do we have to say no, that's not what we're saying?

There are usually a bunch of different ways to tackle unsolved problems and reasonable people can disagree on the best approach. It's when somebody either doesn't try to address it at all or proposes a solution that has obvious problems or has already been demonstrated to not work (but still has political power) that it's clear that folks aren't trying to solve the issue.

There have been scant few issues over the last 10-15 years that Republicans have truly tried to address.

BCP1928 · 2025-12-04T19:57:03-0600

ThatRobGuy said:
Well... that would rule out most teenagers then lol.

Most people are a lot more impressionable from 17-21 than they are from 27-31.

Finding people in that age demo who both
A) not impressionable, and
B) didn't have parents with a vocal political preference at home

...is going to be a rarity.

Of course it's not an either/or, but if you are talking political preferences, the university is under no obligation to shield a student from political opinions unpopular with his parents. College kids are adults. If they are not prepared to face the scholarly world of ideas uncensored, then they are not prepared for college. That they might change their political opinions is not a reason to protect them.

Derf · 2025-12-04T19:52:43-0600

Mark Quayle said:
Starting, as you seem to think you did, with the fact that a god who fails to complete what he set out to do is not God,

Do you not think God set out to destroy Nineveh in 40 days? If not, why did He tell them He was going to destroy them in 40 days? Does He have to lie to get them to repent?

Mark Quayle said:
it is not a logical result that God must try, but fail, to redeem mankind. That notion denies his omnipotence and omniscience, his aseity, and many other things attributable to God. God did not plan to save all mankind, and fail to do so. He did not even try to save all mankind. It is not logical to exalt man's capabilities to God's level, as you do in matters of mental agility, moral ability, sentient stance, and so on. We are not able to choose in the same way he is.

Correct, God did not set out to redeem all mankind, but He is not happy about the result that all mankind will not be saved.

Mark Quayle said:
Second, and as I have said before, it IS logical to see, from several different directions of thought, that we are not able to be entirely free to choose without being caused/compelled to do so.

Are you saying God is not capable of making us entirely free to choose without being caused/compelled to do so?

Mark Quayle said:
Cause-and-effect is completely pervasive, and ties all fact together precisely as things pan out. We do choose, and that choice is real, and many of my ilk even say we are free to choose within constraints, though I don't say that. But if one's choices are made from a corrupt spirit, that choice is corrupt, no matter what choice is made. For example, if one chooses to "accept Christ", from a corrupt spirit, that choice is corrupt, and is not valid to produce the proposed outcome. Our fickle choices should have shown us that by now.

If one chooses to repent, from a corrupt spirit, is it not still a valid choice to repent, even if the power to accomplish perfectly it is lacking? Were the people of Nineveh then not really repentant, and God's mercy not the right response, since it was a corrupt and faulty repentance?

Mark Quayle said:
Third, it is logical to see, also from several different directions of thought, that God did not intend to save all, because there can be no more first causes—God is the only one.

So God can't make a being that can make a free choice. God can't do it at all, since only He is the first cause?

Mark Quayle said:
Yet you propose free will, where, like Gods, we are free to produce entirely spontaneous choices on our own, apart from prior cause.

Why not? What prevents God from making a person that can then reject His will? Yet you are saying that no one can reject God's will--it is impossible for God to make such a creature.

Mark Quayle said:
Fourth, as I have often shown, SINCE God is First Cause, all things come from him, logically descend from his causing, however you want to put it. All other things besides HIM, are result. So, if God knew precisely, yet caused, then all things were intended precisely as they fall out.

Which means that no one ever has acted against God's will, right? So everyone, for all time, has been completely within the will of God, and therefore God punishes people for doing His will, exactly as He wants them to do.

Christsfreeservant · 2025-12-04T19:52:01-0600

“Then Jesus again spoke to them, saying, ‘I am the Light of the world; he who follows Me will not walk in the darkness, but will have the Light of life.’”

“So they were saying to Him, ‘Where is Your Father?’ Jesus answered, ‘You know neither Me nor My Father; if you knew Me, you would know My Father also.’” (John 8:12,19 NASB1995)

Jesus Christ is the Light of the World. He is all that is righteous, just, morally pure, upright, honest, faithful, and holy. And he is The Word of God, for he is God, the second person of our triune God – Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. And so the words he speaks are the words of God. And he is the one who brings to us the truth of the gospel of our salvation, first in the words that he spoke, and then in his death and resurrection, for our deliverance from sin. For he put our sins to death with him so we will die to sin and live for him.

But in his teachings he taught us that to come after him, we must deny self, take up our cross daily (die daily to sin and to self) and follow (obey) him. But if we decide to hold on to our old lives of living in sin and for self, we will lose them for eternity. But if for Jesus’ sake we die to sin and now walk in obedience to his commands, then we have eternal life in him. For those who are his true followers will not walk (in conduct) in darkness (sin), but will have the Light of life, i.e. salvation from sin and eternal life with God.

Now Jesus was speaking to his fellow Jews, but many (or most) of them were not in agreement with him and with his teachings. And some (or many) of them opposed Jesus and fought against him and his teachings. And so they would try to pick a fight with him, often accusing him falsely of what he did not do or say, for they were trying to find fault in him so they would have cause to accuse him of wrongdoing. And so they were all the time laying traps for him, hoping to catch him in a snare so they could “take him down.”

And we have many people today doing the same thing, disagreeing with Christ and his teachings, trying to find fault with what he said, and attacking his words and his messengers, too, who are bringing forth the truth of the gospel of our salvation. For many are those who profess faith in Jesus Christ, but who prefer a more diluted and altered “gospel” which pampers human flesh and which makes no requirements of the person of “faith” other than they just make a verbal confession of Christ as Lord and Savior of their lives.

And Jesus is saying to them, through his word, and through his messengers, that they don’t really know Jesus Christ or God the Father, for if they truly knew Jesus, they would know the Father also. And to know Jesus is to deny self, die daily to sin, and to follow him in surrender to his will in walks of obedience to his commands. Yet this does not make us perfect people, for we are still clay in the hands of the Potter (God) being made into the likeness of Christ, if indeed we are of genuine faith in him, by God’s grace.

But the point Jesus was making here, and that he is still making, is that if we claim to believe in him, then we must follow him, and to follow him is to obey him and his commandments (New Covenant). And it is to die with him to sin daily, in his power. And if we claim to know God, but while we reject Christ’s teachings, and the teachings of his New Testament apostles, and so we continue living in sin, and not in obedience to our Lord’s commands, then we do not know God the Father or his Son Jesus Christ, in truth.

So we need to take Jesus’ words to heart, for he means what he says: “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father who is in heaven will enter. Many will say to Me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name perform many miracles?’ And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness.’” (Matthew 7:21-23 NASB1995).

[Matthew 7:13-14,21-23; Luke 9:23-26; John 10:27-30; Acts 26:18; Romans 1:18-32; Romans 2:5-10; Romans 3:23; Romans 6:1-23; Romans 8:1-14; 1 Corinthians 10:1-22; Galatians 5:16-24; Ephesians 2:8-10; Ephesians 4:17-32; Ephesians 5:3-6; Titus 2:11-14; Hebrews 3:1-19; Hebrews 4:1-13; Hebrews 10:19-39; Hebrews 12:1-2; 1 Peter 2:24; 1 John 1:1-10; 1 John 2:3-6; 1 John 3:4-10; Revelation 2:1-29; Revelation 3:1-22]

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Christ’s Free Servant, Sue J Love

Jesus, Son of God,
Died for us on a cross.

Anyone who would come to Him
Must deny himself and follow.
He must take up his cross daily;
Die to sin and self each day.

Father, God above,
Loved us so: gave His Son.

If you want to save your old life;
Keep on sinning, follow your ways,
You will lose your life forever;
Hope of heaven gone away.

Spirit of our God
Gives us life in God’s Son.

Nonetheless, if you die to self;
Forsake your sin; follow Jesus,
You will live with God in heaven,
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samaus123456789 · 2025-12-04T19:49:35-0600

The sequence of the prophecy in Daniel 9 is decree goes out to rebuild - 49 years (7 times 7) pass and the city is rebuilt- 434 (62 times 7) years pass messiah is cut off aka the crucifixion. I will not be focused on the 70th 7 here.
Problem is there are 4 different decrees in the bible, and another problem is does year mean a solar year of 365 days or a 360 day year like is used in Genesis, Jubilees, and Revelation because over 483 years there is 7 year difference between those 2 things.

The following is help from chat GPT. I have checked the dates, and they are the same on human written websites
There are FOUR decrees in Scripture that relate to “restoring and rebuilding Jerusalem.”
1. DECREE OF CYRUS — Ezra 1:1–4; 2 Chronicles 36:22–23
Content: Return of exiles; Rebuild the Temple; Restore temple vessels
Does NOT authorize rebuilding the city walls
Historical Date: 538 BC (first year of Cyrus over Babylon)
2. DECREE OF DARIUS I — Ezra 6:1–12
Content: Reaffirms Cyrus’ decree; Orders governors to support Temple rebuilding; Provides funding and protection
Does NOT authorize rebuilding the city
Historical Date: 520/519 BC (second year of Darius)
3. FIRST DECREE OF ARTAXERXES I (Ezra’s commission) — Ezra 7:11–26
Content: Authorizes Ezra to restore the law, priesthood, and judicial authority; Permits more exiles to return; Provides resources for Temple service
Implied civil restoration but NO explicit command to rebuild the walls
Historical Date: 457 BC (seventh year of Artaxerxes I)
4. SECOND DECREE OF ARTAXERXES I (Nehemiah’s commission) — Nehemiah 2:1–8
Content: Explicit authorization to rebuild Jerusalem’s walls and gates; Letters to governors; Timber for walls and gates
This is the ONLY decree that explicitly fulfills “restore and rebuild Jerusalem” (Daniel 9:25)
Historical Date: 445 BC (20th year of Artaxerxes I; sometimes 444 BC depending on reckoning)
SUMMARY TABLE:
Cyrus — Ezra 1; 538 BC — Rebuild Temple, NOT city
Darius — Ezra 6; 520 BC — Enforce Temple rebuilding, NOT city
Artaxerxes (Ezra) — Ezra 7; 457 BC — Religious/civil restoration, partial/implicit
Artaxerxes (Nehemiah) — Neh 2; 445 BC — Rebuild walls, city, FULL restoration
Only the decree in Nehemiah 2 explicitly commands rebuilding Jerusalem itself.

The sources for those dates are
Here is a clean list of the exact sources for every date I gave, with each point on its own line and no blank line breaks, just as you requested:

The dates for the four biblical decrees come from these historical sources:
Cyrus’ decree (538 BC) — Source: Babylonian Chronicle tablets (Nabonidus Chronicle) which record Cyrus’ capture of Babylon in 539 BC and his accession as king; Greek historians such as Herodotus and Xenophon; Jewish historian Josephus; ancient chronographers like Julius Africanus and Eusebius who date the first year of Cyrus at 538 BC; astronomical dating of Cyrus’ first regnal year using contemporary cuneiform sources.
Darius I’s decree (520/519 BC) — Source: Darius’ own inscriptions (Behistun Inscription) and Babylonian King Lists that date his accession to 522 BC; ancient chronographers (Africanus, Eusebius) who place his second year at 520/519 BC; synchronisms with the Persian regnal year system documented in cuneiform tablets.
Artaxerxes I (Ezra’s mission, 457 BC) — Source: Persian king lists (Herodotus, Ctesias), Ptolemy’s Canon, Elephantine papyri, and ancient chronographers who consistently date the seventh year of Artaxerxes I to 457 BC; widely accepted historical regnal tables that date Artaxerxes I’s reign from 465–424 BC.
Artaxerxes I (Nehemiah’s mission, 445 BC) — Source: Same Persian king lists (Herodotus, Ctesias, Ptolemy’s Canon); the year 20 of Artaxerxes I falls at 445 BC based on fixed astronomical anchor points used in the Persian regnal system; confirmed by Elephantine papyri that document correspondences with Artaxerxes’ regnal years.

In Nehemiah 2-4 the rebuilding the walls takes place in the same year the decree is given 445 BC, and is completed within 52 days Nehemiah 4 says. This means by 445 BC every single part of the city has been rebuilt. Assuming this is when the 49 years end then it means a decree went out 494 BC but none of the 4 decrees are close to that date.

1. The Second Temple was completed on the 3rd day of Adar in the 6th year of Darius I (Ezra 6:15).
Ezra 6:15 — “The temple was finished on the third day of the month Adar, in the sixth year of the reign of King Darius.”
This means: The Second Temple was finished → 3rd day of Adar → Year 6 of Darius.
2. Historical year: The 6th year of Darius = 516 BC.
Darius I began ruling in 522 BC; his first regnal year was 521 BC; therefore his 6th year = 516 BC.
Thus: The Temple was completed in Adar (Feb–Mar) 516 BC.
3. Summary: The Second Temple was rebuilt and completed in 516 BC in the 6th year of Darius I.
4. Compact biblical rebuilding timeline:
536 BC — Temple foundation laid (Ezra 3:8).
Work halts due to opposition (Ezra 4).
520 BC — Work resumes under Haggai and Zechariah in the 2nd year of Darius (Ezra 5).
516 BC — Temple completed (Ezra 6:15).

If the end of the 49 years was 516 BC then it means a decree went out 565 BC to rebuild which does not match anything. Assuming 445 BC is the true date for the decree in Nehemiah 2, and the city is fully rebuilt in the same year there is no decree 49 years earlier that matches. Forget about the crucifixion date 434 years later, and try to reconcile this 49 year timeframe if someone wants. Keep in mind the decree in Ezra is 7th year of Artaxerxes, and the one in Nehemiah is the 20th year therefore internally in the bible alone there are 13 years between those two events so the decree 457 BC (7th year) can not be the one in Daniel 9 as the city is fully rebuilt by 445 BC - not 49 years later 408 BC.

Hentenza · 2025-12-04T19:49:19-0600

Fervent said:
Not really, it's callled examining the existing texts.

Obviously your opinion and mine differ even though both of us have examined the texts.

Fervent said:
There's no need for other God-breathed Scripture, especially since you have yet to establish that God-breathed means what you insist it means contrary to the contemporaraneous uses of it.

There is no need for other God breathed Scripture because there isn’t any other. I’ll let Clement of Rome answer for me regarding the meaning of God breathed.

“Let us act accordingly to that which is written (for the Holy Spirit saith, “Let not the wise man glory in his wisdom)....Look carefully into the Scriptures, which are the true utterances of the Holy Spirit.”
Clement, The First Epistle of Clement to the Corinthians, XIII

Fervent said:
The ECFs didn't treat it as a sui generis work, they saw it as the Orthodox see it today as the cornerstone of a larger tradition handed down from the apostles.

I disagree. The ECFs recognized the divine authorship and apostolic origin which puts the scriptures in a category of their own. I don’t see scriptures like the Orthodox or the Catholics do nor do I recognize tradition at being on par with the Holy Scriptures.

Landon Caeli · 2025-12-04T19:47:51-0600

The scariest aspect of the whole situation, is that wildlife is becoming affected. A recent study showed that 92% of sharks, near the waters of Brasil have tested positive for recent cocaine use.

First report on cocaine and benzoylecgonine detection in sharks - ScienceDirect https://share.google/1XscrXO1VDXOi99k2

"This is the first report on COC and BE concentrations in free-living sharks. It is noteworthy that all analyzed Brazilian Sharpnose sharks were exposed to cocaine during their lifetimes, as COC was detected in all muscle and liver samples. Both COC and BE concentrations in sharks exceeded levels reported in the literature for fish and other aquatic organisms by up to two orders of magnitude."

Ellesmere · 2025-12-04T19:46:48-0600

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The Cost of Trump’s Coal Fixation

- October 27 2025

FORCING COAL PLANTS TO KEEP OPERATING TO PROVIDE A MARKET FOR COAL INDUSTRY
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- The administration’s policies ask the American taxpayer to pick up the tab for a dangerous and polluting industry with a failing market, while they simultaneously attack affordable and reliable clean energy.

- Removing pollution control requirements forcing outdated coal power plants to operate their retirement dates, and offering up our public lands to industry will not only harm our health and environment:

- The administration’s use of sham emergency orders to stop a Michigan coal-fired plant from retiring cost customers $29 million in just the first five weeks it was forced to keep burning coal.

GOVERNMENT SUBSIDIZING COAL INDUSTRY
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- While the administration and Republicans in Congress remove incentives for and block clean energy development, they are also increasingly subsidizing the fossil fuel industry at our expense.

- The Department of Energy recently announced that it will provide $625 million to subsidize aging, polluting coal-fired power plants.

- earlier this year, the Republicans passed a budget bill that cut the coal royalty rate from a 12.5% floor to a 7% ceiling, providing the coal industry a handout at the expense of a critical funding stream for state and local governments that goes toward schools and colleges, highway and road construction, and city and town budgets.

AMERICA LESS COMPETITIVE IN RENEWABLE ENERGY MARKETPLACE
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- Clean energy is now cheaper than coal in many places and investing in it helps to keep down electricity costs for Americans. -

- In addition to raising energy prices, the Trump Administration and its allies in Congress have given a competitive edge to other countries that continue to grow their clean energy industries

- the MAGA movement now seems hellbent on rejecting these new opportunities to allow other countries to win the clean energy space.

..... renewables have now overtaken coal as the primary source of electricity around the world for the first time. Trump and congressional Republicans are holding us back from competing on the global stage

TRUMP'S FAKE ENERGY EMERGENCY - COAL-FIRE ENERGY INTENDED TO MEET DEMANDS OF Al Al DATA CENTERS
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- Even before Trump took office, the U.S. was producing more oil and gas than any nation on the planet

- Much of the administration’s push for fossil fuels is ostensibly about fueling large-load data center development and the massive energy requirements that come with it, rather than providing power for American families. Communities are being forced (oftentimes without their knowledge) to take on both the cost and environmental risks of the AI boom.

COAL LEASES AMERICA'S PUBLIC LANDS
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- The Trump Administration recently announced that it was opening 13.1 million acres of our national public lands to coal leasing.

- a whopping 72%. Americans want our elected officials to protect our public lands for recreation opportunities, wildlife, and economic benefits for local communities

TRUMP'S COAL FANTASY
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- While the U.S. may see a temporary bump in coal production, it will not last as the market continues to move toward cheaper and cleaner energy.

- as the recent failed lease sales show, the market is already rejecting the Trump administration’s coal fantasy.

- the Trump Administration’s failure to enforce limits on silica dust — a carcinogen that has led to a spike in black lung disease. The Administration is ignoring worker health while helping its industry executive friends get even richer.

The Cost of Trump’s Coal Fixation

It is time to end the era of coal once and for all.

earthjustice.org

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RocksInMyHead · 2025-12-04T19:44:07-0600

Servus said:
If that's too far to ship stuff we're all in a lot of trouble.

Speedboats are not the standard transoceanic shipping vessel.

jacks · 2025-12-04T19:43:35-0600

ThatRobGuy said:
I'm pretty sure some stand-up comedians have tackled that as well lol.

I forget who it was, but it was something to the effect of "oh was this shipment of green beans originally intended for Somalia and got rerouted here with the expectation that I'd be eating them all?"

Though apparently even though it made little sense, those that heard it acquired all kinds of positive traits.

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