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The Baptism of the Holy Spirit in Acts 2

Forgive me, I’m doing the best I can. I promise you, there is an answer carefully expressed; the reason why I framed my answer in church history was to provide a historical proof for your argument. But if you want brevity, here is a summary:

  1. Theologoumemna do not contradict Scripture, rather like doctrine, they are interpretations of Scripture.
  2. The difference between Theologoumemna is that unlike Doctrine, they have not been formally endorsed by enough of the Orthodox church to be regarded as part of our dogmatic theology (the actual process by which something becomes dogma is complex since we don’t have a Pope, and worthy of a thread in its own right, for that is a rabbit hole even I won’t go down).
  3. Some Theolougmemna are nonetheless extremely widely held, and as far as I am aware the interpretation I provided on speaking in tongues is the prevalent theologoumemnon on the subject, and is based on the Scripture detailing the reaction of the people to those who had received the Spirit - that these were real languages, and on an understanding of the interpreters St. Paul mentions as being translators, and based on the element of practical utility that seems to accompany the various gifts of the Spirit, all of which seem useful in and of themselves to ensure the safety and success of the Apostles and those who continue their work.
  4. This includes Orthodox monastics, because people come to see Orthodox monasteries and ask the elders questions, and interact with them, thus making prominent Orthodox monks such as Elder Ephraim, memory eternal, a kind of missionary.
  5. I have encountered from some members of the forum the view that Scripture only has one obvious interpretation, but this is clearly not the case; there are multiple possible interpretations of much of Scripture, which is why doctrine is of such great importance, to the extent that St. Isidore of Seville in the late 6th and early 7th century expressed a view that most traditional Christians would gravitate towards, that is summarized as “Scripture is in the interpretation, not the reading.” And we would cite 2 Peter 1:20 in support of that.

Now, the preceding posts I wrote provide a historical context that I wrote with a view towards explaining the historical context and theological rationale behind each of these five points.

Also everything written by my friend @FenderTL5 is correct. Insofar as you seem to be focusing on eschatological implications of the Baptism of the Holy Spirit, that or Soteriology (the theology of salvation) are logical areas to study, but this thread also touches on the meaning of the NIcene Creed, church history (insofar as the Pentecostal and Charismatic movement is a recent phenomena whose members believe it to be a revival of the gifts of the spirit documented in Acts and elsewhere), and sacramental theology.
Wonderful. Now connect that to the infilling of the Joly Spirit as shown in Acts 2
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Might the Laws of God actually change on the New Earth?

Scripture confirms that the law of God is eternal. See Isaiah 66:23, Psalms 19:7-14, and Psalms 119:160 for statements of fact.

The Bible shows us that God has an eternal standard for all of His creation. It is found in the war in heaven where Lucifer and a third of the angels fell because of sin, but two thirds did not. It is found in Eden where Adam and Eve lived in harmony with God before falling into sin. It is found in thousands of years of God's efforts to save man, even going so far as to send His only Son to die on the cross. It is found in the everlasting gospel. It is found in the patience of the saints who keep the commandments of God. It is found in Isaiah's description of the new heaven and new earth.

If you think about it, if God was going to change His standard, he could have done so at the very beginning, when there was war in heaven. He could have done so when Adam and Eve sinned. He could have done so any time in the thousands of years of sinful man, but He did not, He instead wrote His law in stone with His own hand.

God goes to great lengths in the Bible to call man to obedience unto righteousness. If God were to change His standard, the goal post moves forward or backward, and the whole of salvation and the cross are rendered moot.

The point of salvation is reconciliation with God, according to His standard. Sin is and always will be transgression of the eternal law of God. It has to be an unchanging standard, otherwise it's not a standard at all.
How do you explain Isaiah 65:17 " For behold, I create a new heavens and a new earth; And the former things will not be remembered or come to mind."
Rev 21:5 " And He who sits on the throne said, " Behold I am making all things new."
Did God forget about these verses and is going to keep some of the former things?
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List of our different views about the Rapture

  • any time before the Antichrist commits the ToD act......@Douggg's view
  • no rapture.....@Gregory Thompson's view
  • before the 7 year tribulation starts, His Church to stay in the clouds for the 7 years......@ d taylor's view
  • no rapture to heaven, instead an earthly transportation to meet/be with Jesus at His return.....@ keras's view
  • rapture late January 2026/7...........@Marilyn C's view
  • Post-trib rapture ("after the tribulation of those days" - Matthew 24:29-31, Mark 13:24-27)....@Spiritual Jew's view
  • no rapture..... @ViaCrucis's view
  • a rapture, but not to heaven, instead to a place on the present earth that God will designate as New Jerusalem....@Indentured Servant's view
  • Rapture/snatching away at the end of time (the very last day) to the GWT Judgement for all believers and non-believers. Only the martyrs are raised early and reign with Christ for 1000 years (the first resurection).....@1Tonne's view
  • Post tribulation Second Coming @JulieB67
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The Baptism of the Holy Spirit in Acts 2

Well known



Notice the emphasis on they were all - Look just a could verses back (remembering the Scripture was not written in chapter and verse.


Notice - the eleven were address, but there were others in the room that made up the 'them all' - Mary, the mother of Jesus, with His brothers and 120 people in total.

Did you catch it?

How many were filled with the Holy Spirit? Them all!

Thoughts
And Elizabeth. in. Luke 1:39-45. was then THE. first filled with HOLY SPIRIT. , but Mary. it seems was NOT !!

dan p
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Jordan says ICE agents ‘doing the Lord’s work’


Such a tragic situation created by letting in ten to twenty million people, so many unvetted, in one presidential term. So many resources wasted because ambitious people decided to break the laws of our country. Those resources could have been used to bring in more who love America in legally.
How twisted is this going to get? This is a clear case of using the Lord's name in vain. God help Jordan who is deceived and spreading a falsehood to the Fold.
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List of our different views about the Antichrist

  • a Jew, anointed the King of Israel thought-to-be messiah. @Douggg 's view
  • a Gentile. @kinshasa19 's view
  • a Jew, the false prophet (in revelation 19:20), a nephilim, the actual seed of Satan, the beast from the land/earth. @d taylor 's view
  • a Gentile - from Islam. @Marilyn C's view
  • a Jesus teaching the opposite of Jesus' teachings @Gregory Thompson's view
  • There are many antichrists, not just one. All who deny Jesus is the Christ denies the Father and the Son and are antichrists (1 John 2:22). @Spiritual Jew's view
  • the Antichrist could be a person, but also maybe an institution. @9Rock9's view
  • The Antichrist will be the next Mahdi from Islam. @1Tonne's view
  • Man of Sin/Antichrist- Satan @JulieB67
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Stranger Things

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She felt it was too much and decided they’d skip it instead. The comments includes parents and educators recounting similar experiences. That’s why they’re sounding the alarm because they’re behind and the gap is increasing. We see similar trends in adult literacy.

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I don't know the USA education system - but what are you thoughts on this downtrend in literacy?
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Curious as to what precisely makes Full-Preterism considered an non orthodox heresy?

It is better to avoid discussion about false gospels, false teachings, heresies and such ---- all those things being of and from the devil and it is dangerous like trying to get a footing in quicksand!
What about scripture saying greater is he who is in you than he that is in the world. it sounds like you are afraid of ideas but Jesus said perfect love casts out all fear.
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The Power Of One Article

Keras, the “faithful peoples” are not even on Earth at the time of Rev 6:15-17.
Your usual pretentious and hopeful guesswork. Until you provide the Bible verse which says that God intends to rapture His people to heaven, before any trials and testing, then your beliefs are wrong.
1 Th 1:10 (ESV): and to wait for his Son from heaven, whom he raised from the dead, Jesus who delivers us from the wrath to come.
This verse is no proof for a rapture. Heaven or removal are not mentioned.
We are told many times how the Lord will protect His own people as they pass thru all that must happen. Isaiah 43:2 The 3 men in the furnace are our example.
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Great Music From the 60s

I haven't heard that one in AGES!

There was something about the '60s'. We seemed back then to have many popular songs with lyrics that didn't quite make sense to many of us! And without the internet to research them, we were kind of left 'to guess' at what we thought the song was about. ("Mellow Yellow" is another song that comes to mind! Lol!)
In the late '60's there was a rumor going around that young folks would get high by smoking banana peels. Some people thought Mellow Yellow was a drug song (similar to Puff The Magic Dragon).

My older sister had that record, and my parents told me that when I was a toddler I loved the song around the time I was just learning to talk, so I couldn't pronounce the L sound and I sang Mewwow Yewwow. :)
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Stranger Things

This is a thread for oddities. Things that make you go hmm, what or worse. Enjoy! :)

Millennial Mom Opts Out Of Homework All Year​

She wrote the teacher a letter and informed her they were taking the year off from homework and hoped she’d be okay with it. Who does that??? The mom is in the first portion and the remainder discusses student performance and the numbers are bad and the comments are worse. We’re in trouble.

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Maybe because she mainly did or assisted with the homework? :) She could go for home schooling and raise the bar for her kids.
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The Lost House of Israel

My contention is that if her husband Joseph had died, Mary and her family could easily have made that journey
"Easily" being a very subjective term. It would have been a long and arduous trip.
They settled at Glastonbury and helped acquire tin, lead and food grains.
Quite a jump from "they could have..." to assuming they did in fact go there and did this that and the other. Back in the day most of my close friends were Chinese from Hong Kong (long story), and I spoke bad, but intelligible, Cantonese. I could have traveled to Hong Kong, got a job as a software slinger for some British outfit, married a nice Chinese girl (except my Korean mom would have throttled me), bought a nice place in Kowloon, had 2.5 children... you get the idea.

Could have, but didn't. I stayed in Nashville, plied my trade as a software developer, married a nice Korean girl, had 2.5 children (one's adopted), and never ventured west of Los Angeles. "Could have" didn't signify.
What makes this more probable, is when Jesus selected His disciples, they did not seem to be known to each other.
When you read between the lines you usually see what you want to see. I'd like for our Lord to have been in England because I love England. (That's a long story in itself, but I'll spare you,) But I have no real substantial reason for believing that He ever was.

I still sing the song, though.
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Average consumer now carries $6,329 in credit card debt. 'People are stretched,' expert says

I'll have to apologize. I didn't quite remember the timeline correctly; but it seems like you should have still been able to recognize what I was referring to.

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It began on a Thursday, not a Friday.
You asked how the crash was coming along, but I had no idea you were talking about something a century ago. I don't think it's coming along at all.
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Why do people hate ICE...

Basically there are two main positions on Immigration law. Those who want safety and secuirty of borders but also law and order in society. Then there are the radical Marxist ideologues who want open borders and defund the police as they believe there should be no borders and law and order is oppression.

They oppose government power to enforce laws and want a free for all in the name of a DEI utopia. Pie in the sky stuff. Its often decends into violence because if we look at all the groups who have this ideology they end up using terror to achieve the destruction of the percieved oppressors.

ICE is seen as an arm of the oppressor Trump who is a Nazi and fascists that must be stopped. Just applying the normal law enforcement that any rational society would apply to keep their borders safe is deemed as oppression and therefore this must be met with terror.

Its more or less the same ideology as Islamists. Except rather than a Caliphate and Sharia law or bringing about Allahs rule. The Marxists ideologues want a Socialist utopia of some sort where all outcomes are equal. BUt both percieve the world as there being oppressors and infidels that must be stopped with violence and terror.

They see the world as oppressors and victims so every action against the percieved oppressed which includes terrorist groups and harden criminals and organisations is seen as oppression and must be met with terror.

They have the perfect army in that many are already criminals, gangs, organised crime and terror groups that are utilising the deluded western ideologues who fall for all this ideological thinking. The two have some weird cojoining like we see with groups like Queers for Palestine and Hamas. Its a strange phenomena.

But their common hate for all things western, whites, Jews and Christians unites them.
I'm not on board with all of that however the deaf, blind and decieved will be attacking you soon.
Pay them no mind.
Some really don't seem to be able to help themselves.
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The Eucharist in the Early Church

It’s a Bible that is approved by the Catholic Church. I also own it, and about 50+ other bibles.

My printed liturgical library consists of about 100 books. Fortunately most of them I have access to via PDFs, but a few I do not.

The trouble is, with my hands feeling like they’re on fire much of the time due to arthritis and tendonitis, even with medication, reading a physical book is painful.
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