I hear about dreams a lot. It is a common theme with Christians and God speaks to us using dreams. I have my own at times also and only God can show what a dream means. Book of Daniel for reference. While there are details not in your post about the situation that are relevant, such as what you were praying about in specific terms of the kind of oppression, I do understand not wanting to reveal parts of one's personal life or conversations with God.

With all that out of the way, number one... you praying before is significant. Timing is everything and God has perfect timing. If God created everything, and He did, then nothing is a coincidence in the world because it is supernatural, not natural. Very often God does speak to people directly following a dream, and it is done so that one knows God is listening to their prayers and He is with them.

Secondly, the creature looking like a "familiar" person before incurring its punishment is a warning to you, that things (and people) are not always what they seem. The phrase "we find out who our friends are" came from people realizing that often those that seem friendly or like they have our best interest in mind, sometimes don't and are not really friends at all. It may very well be that God is telling you that you have connections, or relationships, that are oppressive even though they seem like "familiar" friends.

Lastly, God is telling you that He has you covered, and that your oppression has not went unnoticed. He sees you, hears your prayers, is with you, is answering your prayers, and there will be punishment for those who are oppressing you. When God gives us dreams He is saying, "I hear you, I love you, I see this, I will deal with it." Direct messages from God during a demonic war against God take special attention from Him to send to us. The enemy certainly doesn't like your dream, that is for sure. You can read in the book of Daniel where the angel Gabriel had to fight 21 days to get a message to Daniel (Daniel 10:13), and... also needed help in the fight. This means dreams are a big deal and God could possibly very well have angels fighting the enemy to send every one of them.

Sometimes people do have "random" dreams that don't carry significance or are not from God. Sometimes the enemy can cause dreams also, but these usually are tormenting, frightful, and don't have any clear message or comprehensible references to the person's situation or their prayers. I don't think your dream falls into this category. I think it was God and He is comforting you, reassuring you, and giving you a heads up of what is going on to help you.

Keep praying, since you know He listening.

‘Mainstream Muslims Should Be Destroyed,’ Says Republican​

There's really no case for misinterpretation of his remarks when he tweets them out explicitly.



This has led to widespread backlash, with the Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR), the nation’s largest Muslim civil rights and advocacy organization, calling on the U.S. House to demand Fine’s resignation.

"If any elected official had called for the genocide of all ‘mainstream Jews’ or ‘mainstream Christians,’ their career would rightfully be over," CAIR said in a statement.

"Although Mr. Fine has made hateful and genocidal remarks in the past, his explicit call for the destruction of all ‘mainstream Muslims’ leaves no doubt that he is a bigoted sociopath unworthy of a seat in Congress," it said.

Ok, it's border patrol, but since Chicago isn't very close to the border...

Racist rants exposed for Border Patrol agent accused of threatening to shoot bystanders​

"Timothy Donohue, 38, was a member of lead commander Gregory Bovino’s maurauding so-called 'Green Army' during 'Operation Midway Blitz' in Illinois, part of President Donald Trump’s immigration crackdown," reported Tom Latchem. "Donahue was cited — though not by name — in a blistering opinion by U.S. District Judge Sara L. Ellis after he was filmed threatening someone watching an arrest in Evanston." Footage apparently of Donohue appeared to show him saying, “Step back or I’m going to shoot you,” to a bystander.

Among other things, Donohue approvingly replied "Based" to a post that showed a white father disowning his daughter for having a Black prom date, and a video that appeared to show two men ganging up to attack a gay man. He also replied "yes" to a post asking if America would be better off if women didn't have voting rights, and said "good" in response to an article about how the transgender community in Nashville feared for their safety after a high-profile school shooting.

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Trump sued by preservationists seeking reviews and congressional approval for ballroom project

President Donald Trump has been sued by preservationists seeking an architecture review and congressional approval over his White House ballroom project.

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President Donald Trump was sued on Friday by preservationists asking a federal court to halt his White House ballroom project until it goes through multiple independent reviews and wins approval from Congress.​

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The National Trust for Historic Preservation, a privately funded group, is asking the U.S. District Court to block Trump’s White House ballroom project, which already has involved razing the East Wing, until it goes through comprehensive design reviews, environmental assessments, public comments and congressional debate and ratification.​

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Trump’s project has prompted criticism in the historic preservation and architectural communities, and among his political adversaries, but the lawsuit is the most tangible effort thus far to alter or stop the president’s plans for an addition that itself would be nearly twice the size of the White House before the East Wing’s demolition.​

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He's really going about this all wrong. Like I said elsewhere I'm not even opposed to the ballroom on principle. He's just doing it all wrong. In just about every way.

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They were sleeping at the wheel on this one! Though Trump demolished during the shutdown, a very sneaky move on his part, the NTHP knew about this project way before the demo. They are fully responsible for not intervening earlier especially knowing the fact that a 90,000 sq. ft. complex couldn't possibly fit on the East Wing footprint. Even I knew this, why didn't they know this? Why didn't they put a STOP , to further planning and design until all the preliminary schematics were reviewed? This albatross ballroom was announced in July 2025, three months went by without a peep and now they file a lawsuit? Too late.

Im affraid the next President will have to deal with this mess as I doubt Trump will get what he wants, a personal compound.

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Can you provide an example of a democracy having been so quietly taken over? Not overthrown suddenly, but over run with a slow creep?

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Missouri might be on its way. The legislature keeps counteracting ballot measures passed by majorities of the people.

BCP1928 said:

No they haven't. Christianity still teaches the resurrection of the body.

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Yes but its not in this material realm. Christians believe in Heaven right. Heaven is not this fallen material world. The new earth and bodies will not be the same as our current fallen physical bodies.

If we never get sick or die then that is a completely different realm, a spirtual or transcedent realm or whatever you want to call it. But its clearly not the same. And we know it through our consciousness of God and the afterlife. We give up our physical body to gain this heavenly body.

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Actually to anyone who uses methological naturalism to defeat belief in God or other transcedent realities like the soul or afterlife. If they demand physical evidence and claim that this belief is false ontologically. Then yes they are declaring a belief and not science.

If you think this doesn't happen then just take a look at this forum lol. Or the old creation v evolution debate. It always comes down to "show me the physical evidence or its all false". Thus using one persons belief to beat down another persons belief.

Its just that the materialist will always win within the parameters of objective sciences and materialism. Which is much easier to show than beliefs. Or at least using methological naturalism.

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So why don't you go and find some scientists who are actually doing that and argue with them? You won't convince us that we are trying to do that.

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Actually I don't think a proper scientists would argue such things. They know where to draw the line. Its usually on forums like this where it becomes more philosophical that the lines get blurred.

I mean look at the OP heading "scientist believe life formed on its own" lol. Hum is belief scientific. I don't think so. So even the OP is framed philosophically. Scientist believe just like religious people believe in God. Except they believe its some how self creating and does not need a God or outside influence from an agent.

IMO I don't think we can seperate the scientist from the metaphysics. Because the subject and observer is part of the equation. You canpt take them out no matter what.

Science was designed to be a 3rd party method. Seperate the scientist from the phenomena being observed. But I don't think thats possible on a number of levels. So metaphysical beliefs come into the equation and its hard to untangle them. Or even know whether they are influeeencing things.

This is evident in the fact that even within the sciences there are different paradigms. Where one domain sees physical consitioning and processes. The other sees mind and agency as the fundemental driver. Nevermind the completely different paradigm worlds of spiritual/transcedent and materialism and determinism lol.

Freth said:

1. Look at Psalm 95:10, the previous verse, in context.

Psalm 95:10-11 Forty years long was I grieved with this generation, and said, It is a people that do err in their heart, and they have not known my ways: Unto whom I sware in my wrath that they should not enter into my rest.​

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What rest is being talked about? This is Israel in the wilderness. The Sabbath, of course.​

Exodus 16:27-30 And it came to pass, that there went out some of the people on the seventh day for to gather, and they found none. And the Lord said unto Moses, How long refuse ye to keep my commandments and my laws? See, for that the Lord hath given you the sabbath, therefore he giveth you on the sixth day the bread of two days; abide ye every man in his place, let no man go out of his place on the seventh day. So the people rested on the seventh day.​

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Psalm 95 has nothing to do with the sabbath but everything to do with unbelief. Look at verses 7-8.

“For He is our God, And we are the people of His pasture and the sheep of His hand. Today, if you will hear His voice, Do not harden your hearts as at Meribah, As on the day of Massah in the wilderness,”
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Parts of these verses are also quoted in Heb. 4.

“He again sets a certain day, “Today,” saying through David after so long a time just as has been said before, “Today if you hear His voice, Do not harden your hearts.””
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Do not harden your hearts refers to keeping their faith in God and there is urgency so worship Him and have faith in Him today, not tomorrow or next Saturday.

In addition the Massah and Meribah are tied to the events of Exodus 17:1-7 where the people of Israel quarreled with Moses because they didn’t have water and did not trust the Lord to provide the water for them. Massah literally means “testing” and “temptation” as they tested God and wanted God to show them His power by providing water in the desert. Meribah literally means “to quarrel” and “contention” as they quarreled with Moses and God to provide water.

“Then he named the place Massah and Meribah because of the quarrel of the sons of Israel, and because they tested the Lord, saying, “Is the Lord among us, or not?””
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Exodus 16 is unrelated to Psalm 95.

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2. Psalm 95:11 points directly to the Sabbath, not away from it. Hebrews 4:5 points directly to the Sabbath, not away from it.

Hebrews 4:4-5 For he spake in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works. And in this place again, If they shall enter into my rest.​

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Hebrews 4:4 is referring to Genesis 2:1-3, the Sabbath rest at creation.​

Hebrews 4:5 is referring to Psalm 95:11 which is referring to the forty years of Israel in the wilderness, breaking the Sabbath they were commanded to keep.​

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No. The sabbath rest spoken of in Heb. 4 is a shadow comparison with those who have faith who now rest in Christ because of that faith. This is evidenced by the fact that Joshua (not Jesus) could not give Israel rest even as he led Israel under the law into the promise land after 40 years of wondering because if their unbelief. (Heb. 4:8). The rest spoken of in both Psalm 95:11 and Heb. 3:18-19 refers to Israel not entering the promise land because of their unbelief. Nothing in Heb. 4 about following the law and we know that the law is not of faith (Gal.3:12).

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Conclusion: In both cases the context is shown in the previous verse. Both examples point directly to the Sabbath; its institution at creation and the commandment of God to keep it.

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Perfect example of reading your doctrine into scripture. Context is not derived just by reading up or down a couple of verses. You have to account for linguistic, historical, physical, cultural, and situational context which you did not do.

Delvianna said:

Sure but you can't say that's the entirety of the argument when it labels not following as "disobedience". How can you walk in disobedience if the only point is that the sabbath was a precursor to Heaven and is now no longer needed? I'm not gonna arguing against the point that a sabbath rest is symbolic of heaven, as God tends to use symbolism in advanced. He did this with passover. But there's still wording in Hebrews that suggests that's not the entire point of the chapter. If the Sabbath Rest was only heaven, then how can you "make every effort to enter that rest, so that no one will fall by following their example of disobedience." Not keeping the sabbath is an outward reflection of action which is something someone can follow either doing (by keeping the sabbath) or not doing (by not keeping the sabbath) which is "following their example". So the entire answer cannot be heaven alone.

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All this discussion of having no more Sabbath does not mean we are to give up assembly.
Hebrews 10:25

In the OP they were arrested on weapons charges. Now it's murder.

Leaders of secretive California religious group accused of murder after member and ex-member vanish​

Authorities have yet to explain whom they allege each person killed. But Darryl Martin’s booking records in the Riverside County jail show he was held on allegations of murder, possession of a machine gun, and explosives. His wife was booked in the San Bernardino County jail on suspicion of murder and possession of a machine gun. Moreno was booked on suspicion of second-degree murder, possession of a firearm by a felon, and possession of a machine gun. The arrests occurred Thursday morning.

Dan1988 said:

To abuse Gods Word, is to contradict what God has said. I already asked you, why you don't believe what Gods Word says in Romans 3:11 "There is none that seek after God".

Gods Word says "there is none that seek after God", but you reject it and contradict God, by claiming that you seek after Him everyday. So that's why I responded the way I did.

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What a fascinating and astonishing religious philosophy. Because I am told by God and His Son Jesus, to Seek Him, and I do, you preach to the world that I am contradicting Scripture, lying to you, and abusing scripture and that I don't believe God, because David said among men who say there is no God, "there is none that seek God".

When I show you David and Paul's actual words, you completely ignore them, refusing to even acknowledge they even exist .

And then you accuse me of Abusing Scripture and that I don't believe God.

It's OK that you do these things, Jesus said you would. I was just hoping for more of an actual discussion about what is written.

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So, instead of giving a reason why you reject the truth that Gods Word clearly revealed, and list a bunch of unrelated verses which speak about Gods elect prophets. You seem to have forgotten the fact that none of those prophets were seeking after God,, until, God gave them the gift of repentance,

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Now Wait a minute Dan, You have said over and over, "there is none that seek after God". When I point to Scriptures that show men who, like myself, have and continue to Seek God, to Seek His face, to Seek His Righteousness, you accuse me of "Abusing Scripture", of "Twisting Scripture", basically lying about both God and myself. And you accuse me of not believing God.

But now, all of the sudden, your preaching has changed. Now all the sudden, are were actually men that do seek God. Which is what the Scriptures I posted, that you called irrelevant, have said all along.

Fascinating.

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and the gift of His grace, and the gift of faith, and the gift of His Holy Spirit and a long list of other gifts which are all necessary for salvation.

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I see, so in your religion, God just randomly picks men to seek Him, not by them humbling themselves, as the Scriptures teach, but by some secret Holy Lottery in which even though God tells all men to SEEK Him, He withholds the capacity to do so for many, based on nothing a man chooses. And of course HE chose you but apparently didn't choose me.

Imagine that.

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Abraham and Moses and everyone else you tried to misrepresent, were all saved in the exact way that I was. We were all born "dead in our sin", we were all born as slaves to Satan, we were all born hating God, and loving our sin. We were all born enemies of God, and His Word was foolishness to us and we would never believe any of it in a billion years. So, now that we have established those few facts, we can conclude that none of us chose to repent and put our faith in the One we hate. So God had to do everything for us, we could do nothing for ourselves because we were dead and dead men can only stink and that's all.

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I see, so the Bible, the Prophets, Jesus, the Apostles, all of the Scriptures are a lie in your religion? All Irrelevant in your religion. All the pleading with God to the people of the earth to turn to Him, to Seek Him, is all a deception, Hollywood, an illusion. All Jesus' teaching for men to "repent" and "come to Him, just an illusion because men have no choice, and never had a choice in the matter.

So then, according to what you call the "Facts" of your religion, Abraham's Righteousness and faith were given to Abraham by God, based on nothing Abraham chose to do or even wanted. While the same God withheld from the men of Sodom, the same Faith and the same Righteousness or the desire to have them. Then the same God destroyed the men of Sodom, "because" there was no one righteous among them.

What a Fascinating judgment against God. That HE tells men over and over and over and over in the Holy Scriptures, to turn to Him in repentance, but according to your religion, withholds from them the ability for them to do so. Then slaughtered them by the thousands when they refused to turn to Him in repentance.

While at the same time forcing others like Abraham, based on no choice they ever made or desire they ever exhibited, to turn to Him in repentance, promising to reward them with the gift of eternal life in paradise, "Because" they turned to Him in repentance.

Therefore, you have no need for scriptures, Jesus, the Prophets, God's Word, faith, righteousness, as you yourself declares, these things are all irrelevant in your religion, because God does it all for you. But withholds the same for me.

Because You hit the Holy Lottery, and I didn't.

What an astonishing and fascinating religion. And a great one for those like you who hit the Holy lotto.

Not so great for the rest of us, who believe what is actually written..

Dan1988 said:

But you're proposing that dead men can resurrect themselves and create their own faith and repentance,
to cash in on the free offer of eternal paradise, instead of remaining on the path to the lake of fire., See you private opinions are not supported by any scriptures at all,, and you gave no viable defence for your unbiblical theology.

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No, that is just another of your many misrepresentations of both my words and Gods. I am not, nor can you find even one word in any of my posts, where I am proposing that I resurrected myself. You know this, and yet you still promote the falsehood. This shows more about your heart, than mine. Nevertheless, to address what you said, I was Spiritually dead, not physically. What you refuse to accept, and no doubt will refuse to even discuss, is that God is a Spirit, and therefore I, who was dead spiritually, not physically, can hear Him.

The Spirit of God tells all the Spiritually Dead, from Abel and Abraham to Paul and me, " To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts, as in the provocation."

The teaching you are promoting, that God tells those who are spiritually dead in trespasses and sins, "To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts, as in the provocation.", but then hardens their heart so they cannot do as His Voice instructs, and then punishes them with everlasting destruction, "Because" their heart was hardened by no choice of theirs, is an evil and wicked judgment against God.

I will not join you in this astonishing and false religious judgment against God.

Dan1988 said:

Please show me where the Bible says that dad men can resurrect themselves and create a new nature for themselves, where they are transformed from God hater to God lovers, and where they hate everything they loved before and love everything they hated before they resurrected themselves.
I'll save you time, by confirming that no such scriptures exist, someone has taught you man made religion, instead of what Gods Word actually teaches.

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Given you have exalted yourself as a Judge against God, accusing Him of all manner of wickedness and injustice, it is no surprise that you would also make such judgments against me.

This is actually an honor for me, and a signal from the Christ "of the Bible", that I am on the right tract.

Nevertheless, there is a point in which I am instructed to shake the dust. I have reached that point. I hope that you might consider what the Scriptures actually teach about these things, even if it is in the privacy of your own home, just you and God. But there is no edification for anyone to continue in this manner of discourse.

So long.

Oompa Loompa said:

And what of those who were members of the Minnesota government who knew about the fraud, covered for it, and benefited from it? Let's say people like Ilan Omar and Tim Waltz?

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All you have to do is prove in a court of law that this actually happened.

Though I have to say, it's cute when a Trump supporter pretends to be concerned with fraud.

The Bible indeed has many verses relating faith to salvation. But what is Biblical faith? Is it a mere intellectual assent that Jesus died for our sins? Or is something more? I would contend the latter. Biblical faith includes repentance, a surrender of ourselves to God’s will, trust in His goodness, obedience to Christ, and working in charity.

All Scripture is inspired by God, not just the verses about faith. This is why it's problematic to focus only on verses about faith in relation to salvation and ignore the rest.

Such as the necessity of faith working in love. James tells us clearly that "You see that a man is justified by works and not by faith alone.” and "So faith by itself, if it has no works, is dead" (James 2:24,26) Jesus tells us that those who feed, clothe and perform other works of mercy are those who will receive eternal life (Matthew 25:31-46) and that it is necessary to do the will of his Father to enter heaven (Matthew 7:21-27) and to keep the commandments (Matthew 19:17-19). He tells us that those who have "done good" will participate in the resurrection of life (John 5:28-29)

St. Paul tells us in the book of Romans that "he will render to every man according to his works: to those who by patience in well-doing seek for glory and honor and immortality, he will give eternal life" (Romans 2:6-8) and he writes to the Galatians that "The only thing that counts is faith expressing itself through love. (Galatians 5:5-6).

The book of Hebrews tells us that Jesus became the source of eternal salvation to "all who obey him" (Hebrews 5:8-9). The book of Acts tells us that God gives the Holy Spirit "to those who obey Him" (Acts 5:32)

Yes, it is indeed important to look at all of Scripture to understand what Biblical faith is.

Likewise, there are numerous Scriptures that correlate Baptism to salvation:

“Now when they heard this they were cut to the heart, and said to Peter and the rest of the apostles, ‘Brethren, what shall we do?’ And Peter said to them, ‘Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins; and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit’…. So those who received his word were baptized, and there were added that day about three thousand souls.” (Acts 2:37-38,41).

Acts 22:14-16 – “And he said, ‘The God of our fathers appointed you to know his will, to see the Just One and to hear a voice from his mouth; for you will be a witness for him to all men of what you have seen and heard. And now why do you wait? Rise and be baptized, and wash away your sins, calling on his name.’”

1 Peter 3:19-21 “in which he went and preached to the spirits in prison, who formerly did not obey, when God’s patience waited in the days of Noah, during the building of the ark, in which a few, that is, eight persons, were saved through water. Baptism, which corresponds to this, now saves you, not as a removal of dirt from the body but as an appeal to God for a clear conscience, through the resurrection of Jesus Christ.”

“He who believes and is baptized will be saved; but he who does not believe will be condemned.” (Mark 16:16).

And St. Paul in his writings is quite clear that it is through Baptism that we come to be “in Christ.” (1 Corinthians 12:13, Romans 6:3-4, Galatians 3:27, Colossians 2:11-12).

St. Paul is also quite clear that there is only ONE Baptism -- Ephesians 4:5

Valletta said:

Unfortunately a significant portion of Muslims in the world today express contempt and even hatred for Jews and Christians, and even for fellow Muslims (Shiite vs. Sunni) to the point of violence and the justification of killing. T

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Throughout history, true Christianity has often faced hostility. Jesus himself was crucified, and he told his disciples that following him would bring persecution and rejection. The belief that Christians will not face animosity is not supported by biblical teachings; Jesus made it clear: "If you follow me, the world will hate you."

A genuine Christian, one who follows the teachings of the Bible, does not harbor hatred towards those who oppose them. Instead, Christians are taught and instructed by Jesus to pray for those who hate them, to love their enemies, to show compassion, provide care, and, above all, fulfill the greatest commandment—the Great Commission—by sharing the gospel with them.

Regrettably, I have noticed that certain American evangelical communities sometimes display contempt towards groups they view as unfriendly to Christians. This thread alone demonstrates how many self-identified Christians fail to reflect the love Christ commanded.

why did Martin Luther removed them?

Delvianna said:

Sure but you can't say that's the entirety of the argument when it labels not following as "disobedience". How can you walk in disobedience if the only point is that the sabbath was a precursor to Heaven and is now no longer needed? I'm not gonna arguing against the point that a sabbath rest is symbolic of heaven, as God tends to use symbolism in advanced. He did this with passover. But there's still wording in Hebrews that suggests that's not the entire point of the chapter. If the Sabbath Rest was only heaven, then how can you "make every effort to enter that rest, so that no one will fall by following their example of disobedience." Not keeping the sabbath is an outward reflection of action which is something someone can follow either doing (by keeping the sabbath) or not doing (by not keeping the sabbath) which is "following their example". So the entire answer cannot be heaven alone.

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The point is made there in Hebrews to watch yourself so as not to fall into sin. The Israelites sin which precluded them from entering Canaan was not the lack of observing the Sabbath, they did not have the faith in His Word and command that He would conquer the heathen territories. They feared the strength of the enemy and would not follow into battle… they were faithless

See Colossians 2:16-17
The Sabbath is a shadow of heavenly things. The days, special years and festivals were symbolic only as Christ made know through the Apostles teachings as well as His own. We are not to go back to those principles.
Galatians 4:9-11

This week's Torah portion Vayeshev begins with the story of Joseph. This beloved son of his father Jacob was betrayed by his brothers, sold to non-Jews, and became the second most powerful ruler in Egypt. Eventually, he reveals himself to his brothers, and he and his family are reunited amid great joy and tears. This is a beautiful foreshadowing of the Messiah Jesus and His Jewish family today.

Lord Jesus, we thank You that even though You are the King of the Jews, You died to unite Jews and non-Jews in Your eternal kingdom

For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us; Eph 2:14

Messiah, we praise You that we hear of the exponential growth of Your kingdom in so many parts of the world and for the multitude of Jews who are being grafted back into their own tree

And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be grafted in: for G-d is able to graft them in again. For if thou wert cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and wert grafted contrary to nature into a good olive tree: how much more shall these, which be the natural branches, be grafted into their own olive tree? Rom 11:23-24

‘Rabbi, thou art the Son of G-d; thou art the King of Israel.’ (John 1:49b) Amen!

Abba, even though it is still a mystery to us, we thank You that You have blinded the eyes of Your people in Your sovereignty so that the Gentiles might be saved

For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in. And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob: For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins. As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the father's sakes. For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance. For as ye in times past have not believed G-d, yet have now obtained mercy through their unbelief: Even so have these also now not believed, that through your mercy they also may obtain mercy. For G-d hath concluded them all in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon all. Rom 11:25-32

Thank you, G-d, for your faithfulness to Israel and to us

It is of the Lord's mercies that we are not consumed, because his compassions fail not. They are new every morning: great is thy faithfulness. Lam 3:22-23
G-d is faithful, by whom ye were called unto the fellowship of his Son Jesus Christ our Lord. 1 Cor 1:9

Reminds me of the time when Trump was told he needed to add braille to the elevator controls, and he said, "We're not going to rent to blind people!"

Factotum said:

You dislike Trump, so I don't anticipate you agreeing with facts verifying the satanic Engeron/Tish lawfare used to concoct a bogus prosecution:

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Prosecuting criminals is satanic?

Factotum said:

Trump is suuuper competent.

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The facts show otherwise.

Strong in Him said:

If you don't believe people ever went to the moon, why were you agreeing with me?
You gave a list of astronauts involved in the space missions who were Freemasons. One of those even said, "........ was the 6th man to walk on the moon." Why would you quote that if you don't believe it?

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Apple Sky said:

I'll have to go back over the posts to check this out.

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Do you have any idea which post it was now ?

Vambram said:

Did Christ's teachings include bringing in a culture from another nation which practices fraud and tribalism and stealing billions of taxes from us

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Jesus never addressed the nations or cultures of man. And as Paul wrote, "there is neither Jew nor Greek." In Christ, we are one. There is no American or Somali in His kingdom.

ThatRobGuy said:

If we want to discuss propensity for consolidating religious and government power...

34 of the 53 Muslim majority countries have codified state religions. Do you think that same ratio exists among Christian-majority countries?

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Nearly all of them. It may be beneficial to review European history before asking this type of question.

DaisyDay said:

No. Trump won by a plurality, not a majority. Furthermore, not everyone who voted for him are Magadonians.

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Magadonian, thats a new one lol.

DaisyDay said:

An awful lot of us oppose MAGA policies, many of which are designed (see Project2025) to dismantle our government,

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This whole project 25 is just one of a number of false narratives that have been put out there. Also some of the ideas are quite commonsense. I don't know what all the conflation is about like its some sort of theocracy lol.

But the whole Project 25 has been busted as a myth and c onspiracy anyway.

DaisyDay said:

many of which disregard established laws and regulations outright.

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There has been this false narrative about Trump for a decade now. He has never become the dictator the false narratives have claimed. Its all hyperbole and designed to create this us verse them politics. The big scarry monster who is going to take away our freedoms.

When in fact it was the otherway around from what they are finding with all the Lawfare, fraud and controlling of media and targeting conservatives and Christians. Gaslighting everyone over Biden and bypassing the democratic process in selection Harris ect. I mean they put forward Waltz which shows something was wrong with their selection or oversight.

I don't trust either as far as Christian belief and values. Luckily I don't have to vote in the US. But we do in Australia and we have a similar divide between Left and Right. If I have to vote out of two bad candidates I will tend to vote conservative as its closest to my beliefs. I cannot side with a party that supports abortion or other progressive ideas.

Otherwise I try and vote locally for a member who is closest to my beliefs. I actually did not vote for around 10 years. Then they found me lol.

DaisyDay said:

You, on the other hand, seem laser-focused on her identity as a naturalized immigrant from Somalia - projection. You seem willing to put the sins of any Somalians on her personally.

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Nah, I would say the same for anyone who uses such language. If you noticed I mentioned it was from the same school of thought as Critical Race theory and DEI. I know the language and its divisive and hateful. You may not recognise it.

But when people talk about white supremacy and bring up race in just about every answer. I know its identity politics. Pointing that out is not IP. Its highlighting it as obviously some don't see it as well until its identified.

I have not issues with immigrants, we are all immigrants to some extent. I trace back to African American slaves. I guess thats why I have an interest in US politics. But its similar to my nation generally. We are only 250 years young lol. We have had waves of immigrants to make our nation. But we also know that some who come don't like our western nations way of life and bring their own problems.

But its also the administration of integrating immigrants into the host culture rather than creating divisions. I see the whole immigration, illegal immigration and lack of integration as mess. Its associated with a lot of bad stuff that has cost a lot of people. The real culprits are those in charge who orchestrated this. Because it did not happen by accident. This was poor policiy and management.

Thats the true crime and moral wrong. That leaders who were suppose to do the right thing and set the example and look after the needy. Abused their position and allowed this to get to such a point that it costs so much financially and in human suffering.

Brightfame52 said:

You don't know what you believe.

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This is an admission that you are unwilling (or unable) to engage the argument that was just laid out. I know exactly what I believe, and why. I've made a clear grammatical and logical distinction, supported it at length, and even shown how it leads to the very conclusion we both affirm. Simply dismissing that by impugning my self-awareness avoids the substance entirely. If you think there's a contradiction, identify it! If you think the logic is faulty, show where. Otherwise, you're conceding the point without the candor to say so.

The irony here is that I'm not opposing your conclusion at all. I'm trying to strengthen it. We agree that John 6:44 teaches effectual grace. My concern is how that conclusion is argued. Collapsing necessity and sufficiency into the conditional clause itself is a logical mistake, and it hands critics an easy win they don't actually deserve. Your argument will be refuted by a sharp critic, and it will strengthen their confidence in their view. Why are you so opposed to my efforts to improve your own argument?

Well something is about to happen today. My ship is currently flying this message to our little fleet.