Aryeh Jay said:

Off topic, I was able to livestream an entire episode of Better call Saul in the time it took to load this page. I suppose I should be watching Narcos.

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Cloudflare is still experiencing issues from last week.

The 144000 are the elect Christian saints. The church is GODS Israel, the Israel of GOD. The church is the olive tree in Romans 11 from the root to the branches. Remember the Gentiles are grafted into the olive tree, the church. The people in Hebrews 11 are the root of the olive tree in Romans 11.

Hentenza said:

No one has rewritten God’s commandment.

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The RCC itself "Claims" to have re-written the commandment through the Authority they claim was given to them by the Lord's Christ, to change God's Sabbath as was defined in the Holy Scriptures as being the 7th Day of the week, Saturday as described at creation which the Commandment of God Himself referenced, to the first day of the week, Sunday, the Catholic sabbath.

This is the issue EGW had as defined in the very website you posted. EGW didn't teach that men who worshipped God on Sunday were of the devil. Your post taught that, but EGW didn't.

It was never about what days of the week to worship God, as EGW, Wesley, Calvin, and all reformers promoted worship of God every day of the week. I was always about God's sabbath VS, the RCC Sabbath, 7th day vs. 1st day.

If you can find in the website you posted where EGW says worshipping God on Sunday makes a man receive the mark of the beast, please show me. I know Jesus obeyed God's commandments, and worshipped God every day, even Sunday. I find no evidence that EGW taught Jesus was of the devil, for worshipping God on Sunday. But I could be wrong, so if you can find such a teaching, please provide it.

And if you can't, then shouldn't you clarify your teaching here?

Hentenza said:

1.Gods (Ten Commandments including the) 4th commandment was given (BY GOD) to Israel during Moses time (15th century BCE) and (God Inspired) Moses wrote to write the 5 books of the Torah which includes the 10 commandments.

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They also include God's Laws given to Moses in Lev, 19 17 Thou shalt not hate thy brother in thine heart: thou shalt in any wise rebuke thy neighbour, and not suffer sin upon him. 18 Thou shalt not avenge, nor bear any grudge against the children of thy people, but thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself: I am the LORD.

Hentenza said:

2. The law was given to Israel and to those that dwelled with them. The law was never given to the gentiles or to the church.

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That is what the RCC taught, and many reformers adopted many of her philosophies. But there are some who believe we should obey God, like Jesus and Peter and James and Paul and Moses and Abraham and David and Zacharias and Simeon and Shadrack and Danial, and actually EVERY EXAMPLE of Faithful men given us from Abel to the Cornelius.

According to what is actually written in the Word of God who became Flesh, God has One Law:

Ex. 12: 49 One law shall be to him that is homeborn, and unto the stranger that sojourneth among you.

Eph. 4: 4 There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling; 5 One Lord, one faith, one baptism, 6 One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.

God's Church has always been, and will always be those who "Yield themselves" servants to obey Him, Jew or Gentile as Paul teaches. In fact, John actually tells me how to know if I am in His Church, or just some random religion who calls Jesus Lord, Lord.

1 John 2: 3 And hereby we do know that we know him, "if we keep" his commandments.

The teaching that God's Law is always for someone else, is a popular deception promoted by preachers "who profess to know God", since the garden of Eden. I was also placed in a world in which these same voices, promoting the same disobedience exists. And Jesus Specifical warned about these "Many", who come in His Name.

I advocate therefore, that men "Take heed" they are not deceived by such a philosophy as Eve was, even if the voices promoting it "Comes on Christ's Name".

Hentenza said:

3. The gentiles were never under the law (Acts 15).

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I have heard this preaching before, but when I actually read what is actually written, I find that it isn't true.

Acts 15: 19 Wherefore my sentence is, that we trouble not them, which from among the Gentiles are turned to God:

20 But that we write unto them, that they abstain from pollutions of idols, (Law of Moses) and from fornication, (Law of Moses) and from things strangled,(Law of Moses) and from blood. (Law of Moses)

21 For Moses of old time hath in every city them that preach him, being read in the synagogues every sabbath day.

This is the same exact teaching that Jesus Himself, taught the multitude and His Disciples in Matt. 23.

Matt. 23: 1 Then spake Jesus to the multitude, and to his disciples, 2 Saying, The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat: 3 All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, that observe and do; but do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not.

It makes perfect sense that the Apostles would direct the Gentiles to follow the exact same teaching Jesus instructed, before HE was murdered. Alas, "many" who call Jesus Lord, Lord, don't want to listen to Moses or the Prophets God sent, even though Jesus Himself and His Chosen Apostles directed them to. Jesus also spoke to this, which sheds light on why folks don't believe Jesus in this matter.

Luke 16: 31 And he said unto him, If they "hear not" Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though "one" rose from the dead.

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4. No one kept the 4th commandment prior to Moses. There is no record in scripture.

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There is no record of anyone Loving the Lord their God with all their soul and all their might either. There is no record of anyone Loving their neighbor as they Loved themselves. But it would be stupid to claim God didn't have ANY Laws simply because there is no record of Him giving them. When did God give Noah His Laws concerning what animals are clean for food and what animals are not? And yet Noah knew God's Laws concerning His Judgments concerning Clean and unclean animals.

When did God give Noah's sons His Law concerning "looking on the nakedness of their father"? Yet they all knew the Law, even though one of the sons rejected it.

When did God give His Laws that Sodom broke, or His adultery Commandment that Amalek most certainly new about, along with the wages of breaking this Commandment of God? And yet Amalek knew of God and His Commandment against adultery, even though God didn't inspire Moses to write about His Laws, Statutes and Commandments until later.

Which shows clearly that we are not privy to the entire conversation God had with Abraham or Noah when God gave to them His commandments, His statutes, and His laws.

Consider the foolishness of the philosophy that promotes that God sanctified and Set apart and made Holy, the 7th Day of the Week, but didn't share or even mention this part of His Creation to Noah and Abraham. To preach that Abraham saw Jesus Day, but God didn't show Him the Sabbath HE was Lord of, that seems pretty foolish based on limited information we have.

And why would a person even exalt himself in such a way as to make all these assumptions about God? Isn't it because he doesn't like some of God's Commandments, and is working to justify his rejection of them?

That is why. If you were honest you would admit it, just as I did all these years ago when I looked into the Law of Liberty and saw what manner of man I was, and my motivation for making the same foolish claims.

Maybe you will not be persuaded to consider, but for those reading along, can you not see the point?

WordSword said:

I like what you said, but I'm not sure of what you mean here. Thanks!

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I was just thinking about Romans 8:1. It comes right after chapter 7's discusion of the conflicts inside a person who serves God with his mind but serves sin with the flesh (Ro 7:25 b) and it expounds upon the victory Christ gives us over the wretchedness we feel for being so close to sin (Ro 7:24-25a).

The point is that God corrects us whenever we go astray (Heb 12). His correction does not come with condemnation. Instead, It comes with love. And His correction is not pleasant, but painful. But it still does not come with condemnation. Yes, the sin is condemned, but the child is still loved. And the pain of His correction goes away and peace is restored when His correction has it's intended effect.

We all sin (even though a select few deny it). If a preacher does not preach the whole truth about sin including that those who are in Christ face no condemnation even while they are being corrected, then they are not preaching the whole gospel. They are just preaching against sin but don't help their flock understand how to deal with their sins. This makes for a legalistic congregation that I have no desire to be a part of (unless God gives me that mission). Been there, done that.

Goonie said:

ICE issues deportation order for Belarusian woman extradited by FBI

Yana Leonova faces multiple charges including fraud and conspiracy for smuggling US aviation parts to Russia

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Seriously in order to make up the numbers ICE are claiming that people extradited to face trial in the USA are there illegally and must be deported .

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You can't deport the wrong kind of people from America until you renditionify them to America first.

9Rock9 said:

I think it's pretty clear from Scripture that the Church is now Israel, and inherits the blessings and promises of Israel through Christ.

That said, I also acknowledge that there are verses, especially in Romans, that seem to indicate that God isn't finished with ethnic Israel and will graft the back in. Idk exactly, what this will look like? Are they gonna get their land back, or is it just ethnic Jews deciding they are Christians, now?

I reject both dispensationalism (ie, the Church and ethnic Israel are two separate peoples of God, both with their own destiny and plan of salvation) and replacement theology (all the promises to ethnic Jews have ben transferred to the Church, and there is no longer a future for ethnic Israel.)

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Could it be that the nation of Israel was GODS elect under the law, the old covenant. That the church is the election according to grace, not law. We have two Israel’s , one of law and one of grace but the church is the Israel of GOD. Not all Israel is of Israel. The Gentiles were grafted in with the believing Israelites so that the church is composed of former Jews and Gentiles. The root of the olive tree church are the people before Moses and the law. The people listed in Hebrews 11 are the root of the olive tree. I know that most will not believe that GOD gave Abraham the new covenant that needed to be confirmed later by Jesus. So then Grace exited before the law, the church existed before the nation of Israel. The promises given to Abraham and his seed is the message of the gospel that was preached to Abraham who saw the day of Christ in a vision and was glad. We, the church, are the children of Abraham . So replacement theology is irrelevant because the church has always been GODS true Israel.

David Lamb said:

So where is the evidence that NASA leaders are 33 degree Freemasons?

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It depends who they are.

AI Overview

One notable leader of NASA who was a Freemason was
James E. Webb, who served as the agency's second Administrator. Several other prominent figures in NASA's history, primarily astronauts, were also Masons.

NASA Administrator

• James E. Webb was the NASA Administrator from February 1961 to October 1968. He oversaw the Mercury and Gemini programs and the early Apollo missions. Webb was a member of University Lodge No. 409 and Oxford Lodge No. 122 in North Carolina.

Other Notable Freemasons in the Space Program
Several NASA astronauts were Freemasons:

• Buzz Aldrin, a 33° Scottish Rite Mason, was the second person to walk on the Moon. Aldrin carried a special deputation from the Grand Master of Texas to the Moon. This led to the founding of Tranquility Lodge No. 2000.
• John Glenn, a 33° Scottish Rite Mason, was the first American to orbit the Earth. Glenn later became a U.S. Senator.
• Leroy Gordon Cooper Jr., a 33° Scottish Rite Mason, was one of the original Mercury Seven astronauts. Cooper piloted the final Mercury mission, Faith 7.
• Virgil "Gus" Grissom was one of the original Mercury Seven astronauts. Grissom was the second American in space. He died in the Apollo 1 fire during a launch rehearsal.
• Edgar Mitchell was the Lunar Module Pilot for Apollo 14. He was the sixth person to walk on the Moon.
• James Irwin was the Lunar Module Pilot for Apollo 15. Irwin was the eighth person to walk on the Moon.
• Donn Eisele was the Lunar Module Pilot for Apollo 7. This was the first crewed Apollo mission.

Kenneth S. Kleinknecht, an engineer who worked on early manned spaceflight, was also a Freemason. Kleinknecht became manager of the Command and Service Modules of the Apollo program.

Valletta said:

“We are going to defend our neighbors,” Walz said at a Tuesday fundraiser, according to the Center Square. “Instead of demonizing our Somali community, we’re going to do more to welcome more in.”

Tim Walz Vows to Bring More Somalis to Minnesota, Despite Growing Fraud Scandal Reaching Into the Billions | The Gateway Pundit | by Mike LaChance

Minnesota Governor Tim Walz is vowing to bring more Somali immigrants to his state, despite the massive fraud scandal that has unfolded in the Minnesota Somali community on his watch.

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He always appears to know what is best for the rest of us.

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Another misleading article. Here is a more truthful version:

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The extensive Minnesota fraud scandal, centered on the Feeding Our Future non-profit and its partners, exploited federal child nutrition programs during the COVID-19 pandemic, leading to the theft of an estimated over $1 billion across multiple social service programs. The core of the scheme occurred from 2020 through 2021, bridging both the Trump and Biden administrations; state officials first spotted signs of fraud under the Trump administration in 2019, but the federal indictments and subsequent convictions of over 60 individuals have taken place under the Biden administration, with more charges and trials expected as the investigation continues. As Governor, Tim Walz and his administration are responsible for state oversight of the programs, and critics allege a failure to act on early warnings and slow action in halting the theft. Walz has publicly accepted responsibility for the failures in oversight, asserting his team caught the fraud and referred it to the FBI. While the vast majority of Minnesota's Somali community—estimated to be over 76,000 people—were not involved, the actions of dozens of charged individuals, some of whom are of Somali descent, are not representative of the community at large, and the fraud had nothing to do with the Somali people currently residing in Minnesota. This fact is in stark contrast to the disgusting act of conflating the criminal scheme with the entire community, with President Trump publicly attacking the state's Somali population and calling them "garbage" in connection with the scandal. The stolen money was used for luxury cars, high-end real estate, and international travel, rather than for the thousands of meals they falsely claimed to serve to children in need who were the intended beneficiaries of the program.

essentialsaltes said:

Justice Department defends Trump's post as it urges judge to reject Comey's effort to dismiss case​

I mean, I'm not sure what else we could expect DOJ to do.

Prosecutors defended President Donald Trump’s September social media post demanding that action be taken in the Comey investigation, contending it reflects “legitimate prosecutorial motive” and is no basis to dismiss the indictment accusing Comey of lying to Congress in 2020.

Are presidents prosecutors now? The number of firings at DOJ for people who don't do what Trump tells them to do suggests that experienced prosecutors don't see these cases the same way as the President.

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Not surprised at all.
If experienced prosecutors are anti-Trumpists, then... it makes total sense that they fleece the law wherever they can, to obstruct Trump's agenda.

They fleeced the laws since 2018, to manufacture reasons to go after Trump... so of course they'll fleece the laws TODAY to protect those who committed that lawfare against Trump.

rjs330 said:

I watched a video today involving a contractor who said he loves the crackdown. He said illegals are starting to not go to work because of them. Which means he is able to do more work. He LOVES it. His fellow smaller contractors are really appreciating the fact that their businesses are in more demand. They are able to better provide for their families. Its something weve been saying. These illegals are taking American jobs.

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I'd be curious to know where this contractor lives, because where I live (and as far as I'm aware, this is true across most of the country), there is no shortage of work for good contractors. Have you ever known anybody to comment on the abundance of good contractors from which to choose ? I haven't. Quite the opposite. The experience often involves poor communication, shoddy workmanship, or both.

The good contractors don't have to advertise because they can live off of word of mouth and relationships with bigger contractors. Unless you just live in a poor area where nobody has any money, IME, it's only the bad ones and the ones just starting out who want for lack of work.

SabbathBlessings said:

Its an allegory of He being our deliver of bondage (sin), why the NT draws on this experience Heb3:7-19, which is what Jesus is drawing us out from sin Mat1:21 and the whole wilderness experience was an example for us on what not to do why many never entered into their promised land of rest Eze20:15-16 and why we are told not to follow in the same path of disobedience Heb4:11 to enter into ours Rev22:14

Jesus already addressed the Gentile church in His own Words

Bible Gateway passage: Isaiah 56 - New King James Version

Salvation for the Gentiles - Thus says the Lord: “Keep justice, and do righteousness, For My salvation is about to come, And My righteousness to be revealed. Blessed is the man who does this, And the son of man who lays hold on it; Who keeps from defiling the Sabbath, And keeps his hand from...

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Its the same Lord your God because God does not change.

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The only way that the son of the foreigner or the foreigners themselves to join themselves to the Lord was to convert to Judaism during those times. Scripture talks plenty about the gentiles dwelling with Israel. They do not constitute the gentiles collectively nor does it refer to the church that Jesus founded. Again, you are reading your pet doctrine into scripture.

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Trying to interpret Heb. 4 reading your pet doctrine into it will lead you to the wrong conclusion.

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Saying things like this doesn't help prove anything..

Hentenza said:

Actually that is not the case. The chapter begins with “therefore” so you have to read chapter 3 to understand what the conclusion that prompted the therefore is.

“Take care, brothers and sisters, that there will not be in any one of you an evil, unbelieving heart that falls away from the living God. But encourage one another every day, as long as it is still called “today,” so that none of you will be hardened by the deceitfulness of sin. For we have become partakers of Christ if we keep the beginning of our commitment firm until the end, while it is said, “Today if you hear His voice, Do not harden your hearts, as when they provoked Me.” For who provoked Him when they had heard? Indeed, did not all those who came out of Egypt led by Moses? And with whom was He angry for forty years? Was it not with those who sinned, whose dead bodies fell in the wilderness? And to whom did He swear that they would not enter His rest, but to those who were disobedient? And so we see that they were not able to enter because of unbelief.”
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This portion of chapter three refers to the dangers of unbelief and disobedience. Those that did not entered the promise land either by dying in the wilderness for unbelief or by being disobedient did not enter His rest.

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Unbelief here is the obstinate stiff-necked type. The sinning comes from the evil heart of unbelief. And the more one sins the more this evil hearted obstinate condition grows. It isn't that they did not believe in God. The issue was they did not believe God because of their rebellious nature.

Hentenza said:

“Therefore, we must fear if, while a promise remains of entering His rest, any one of you may seem to have come short of it.”
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Hebrews 4:1 Therefore, we must fear if, while a promise remains of entering His rest, any one of you may seem to have come short of it. | New American Standard Bible - NASB (NASB2020) | Download The Bible App Now

Therefore, we must fear if, while a promise remains of entering His rest, any one of you may seem to have come short of it.

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Talking to the Hebrew converts about the believer’s rest not about the sabbath rest.

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Yes. I don't think anyone has said different in respect to that verse.

Hentenza said:

“For indeed we have had good news preached to us, just as they also did; but the word they heard did not benefit them, because they were not united with those who listened with faith.”
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Hebrews 4:2 For indeed we have had good news preached to us, just as they also did; but the word they heard did not benefit them, because they were not united with those who listened with faith. | New American Standard Bible - NASB (NASB2020) | Downl

For indeed we have had good news preached to us, just as they also did; but the word they heard did not benefit them, because they were not united with those who listened with faith.

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The good news was preached to the Hebrew converts but it did not benefit them because they are not united with those who listen with faith.

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No, that is not what the verse is saying. The Good News here that did not benefit them is in respect to The Good news preached to those who were being spoken of in chapter three who were hindered from entering into the promised land. The writer of Hebrews is saying they in his time have had Good News preached to them as those who were in Moses time did. But those in Moses' time did not heed because of their evil heart of unbelief. They did not believe what God said. They did not have faith in God therefore their carcasses fell in the desert because of their sin.

Hentenza said:

“For we who have believed enter that rest, just as He has said, “As I swore in My anger, They certainly shall not enter My rest,” although His works were finished from the foundation of the world.”
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What is that rest?

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Yes, the rest we have in Christ Jesus being His House. If we hold fast in confidence we will remain His house as He succours (helps) us when we are tempted. We just need to listen to His voice as we hear it. This is the Gospel. Part of it anyway.

Heb 2:18 For in that he himself hath suffered being tempted, he is able to succour (helps) them that are tempted.

Heb 3:6 But Christ as a son over his own house; whose house are we, if we hold fast the confidence and the rejoicing of the hope firm unto the end.
Heb 3:7 Wherefore (as the Holy Ghost saith, To day if ye will hear his voice,

Hentenza said:

“For He has said somewhere concerning the seventh day: “And God rested on the seventh day from all His works”; and again in this passage, “They certainly shall not enter My rest.””
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Hebrews 4:4-5 For He has said somewhere concerning the seventh day: “AND GOD RESTED ON THE SEVENTH DAY FROM ALL HIS WORKS”; and again in this passage, “THEY CERTAINLY SHALL NOT ENTER MY REST.” | New American Standard Bible - NASB (NASB2020) | Downloa

For He has said somewhere concerning the seventh day: “AND GOD RESTED ON THE SEVENTH DAY FROM ALL HIS WORKS”; and again in this passage, “THEY CERTAINLY SHALL NOT ENTER MY REST.”

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Look at the contrast. The writer clearly refers to the sabbath rest in the first part of the verse and then states that they are not going to enter such rest. Why would that be if any Jews could observe the sabbath? The temple was not destroyed yet so they could just go to the temple on the seventh day. No one is going to enter the believers rest unless they have accepted the gospel of good news and has faith.

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Bad translation, the word if needs to be in the text as it is in the verse three below. Go to your Greek to English Interlinear you will see yourself.
Heb 4:3 For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world.
Heb 4:4 For he spake in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works.


The Rest here in verse 3 is that of the Good News, the rest we have in Christ Jesus being His house. There He helps us when we are tempted if we listen to His voice. The works of this rest were finished from the foundation of the world is what these verses are saying. This is brought out even more in verse 4 where he starts the verse with the word "for" which adds a reason to that which was previously stated. There it states that when God spake in that certain place Mt Sinia, that He said that He rested from all His works. That would include resting from the works for the rest which is the Good news of Christ Jesus. Verse 5 continues in that it says, "in this again".

In this again what? This brings us back to verse 4 where it says, He speaks of the Seventh Day, if we shall enter into the Rest which we have in Christ Jesus being His house listening to His voice.

Heb 4:5 And in this again, If they shall enter into my rest.

Why does he say that? Let's continue and we shall see.

Hentenza said:

“Therefore, since it remains for some to enter it, and those who previously had good news preached to them failed to enter because of disobedience,”
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This verse goes back to those that did not enter into the promise land depicted at the end of chapter three. They rejected the good news because if their disobedience and lack of faith as the previous verse teaches. See the use of the word “therefore” again?

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No, this is present tense for the writer. Those in the time of Moses had their time. This text is being said in context to verse 5 where it says IF they shall enter into His rest which is the Good News He speaks again of the Seventh Day when God did rest from all His works. The clause from verse, “Therefore, since it remains for some to enter" is being spoken in the present tense. And the clause. "and those who previously had good news preached to them failed to enter because of disobedience" is basically being spoken in the past tense. He is making a contrast to those of his time not entering into the rest which is the Good News due to disobedience, as in the time of Moses and Joshua.

Hentenza said:

“He again sets a certain day, “Today,” saying through David after so long a time just as has been said before, “Today if you hear His voice, Do not harden your hearts.” For if Joshua had given them rest, He would not have spoken of another day after that.”

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Hebrews 4:7-8 He again sets a certain day, “Today,” saying through David after so long a time just as has been said before, “TODAY IF YOU HEAR HIS VOICE, DO NOT HARDEN YOUR HEARTS.” For if Joshua had given them res | New American Standard Bible - NAS

He again sets a certain day, “Today,” saying through David after so long a time just as has been said before, “TODAY IF YOU HEAR HIS VOICE, DO NOT HARDEN YOUR HEARTS.” For if Joshua had given them res

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So a new day is set, today. There is urgency in accepting the gospel of good news and not continuing on the law....

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Yes Heb3;7 and 8 is a call to accept the Good News. Not on a certain day, but today. As the text says, Joshua did not give them this Rest when He led Israel into the promised Land.

Every day God wants us to hear His voice, Christ Jesus. Succoring us, helping us when we our tempted. These verses are basically being repeated from chapter three where the writer first quoted the Psalm. There in verse 7 he spoke in the present tense in context to verse 6. There it is also a call to repentence. Called to hold fast our confidence in His voice firm unto the end. Have not that evil heart of unbelief, not trusting God.

Heb 3:6 But Christ as a son over his own house; whose house are we, if we hold fast the confidence and the rejoicing of the hope firm unto the end.
Heb 3:7 Wherefore (as the Holy Ghost saith, To day if ye will hear his voice,
Heb 3:8 Harden not your hearts, as in the provocation, in the day of temptation in the wilderness:

Hentenza said:

“Consequently, there remains a Sabbath rest for the people of God. For the one who has entered His rest has himself also rested from his works, as God did from His.”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭4‬:‭9‬-‭10‬ ‭NASB2020‬‬

Hebrews 4:9-10 Consequently, there remains a Sabbath rest for the people of God. For the one who has entered His rest has himself also rested from his works, as God did from His. | New American Standard Bible - NASB (NASB2020) | Download The Bible Ap

Consequently, there remains a Sabbath rest for the people of God. For the one who has entered His rest has himself also rested from his works, as God did from His.

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The mention of the sabbath rest here is a shadow of the actual sabbath rest as evidenced by the previous verses. Joshua entered the promise land with the law at hand but did not provided them rest. Then those that do enter His rest, the believers rest, has rested from his works which here is the works of the law. Look at the sentence construction here. The fist part of the verse mentions a sabbath rest left but the second part of the post only mentions His rest which is consistent with the chapter so far talking about a believers rest.

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No, verses 4:9 and 10 pick up where verses 4 and 5 left off. Verse 5 starts the call to repent and enter into God's rest heeding His voice through Christ and rest from our evil heart of unbelief.

We say that because verse 5 says if they shall enter into His rest. Because the writer sees as we do that some must enter therein. So today if we hear His voice let's not harden our hearts as in the day of provocation but hold fast our confidence firm unto the end.

Verse 5 says as was said before, In this again, IF they shall enter into my rest.

What again?

To keep in context to verse 4, as was said we must conclude, The Again is the speaking of the Seventh Day. Two things being spoken of here. A speaking of the Seventh Day AGAIN with a condition. We know this by the word if. For if we shall enter Rest in Christ Jesus He speaks again of the Seventh Day.

In context to that He says there remains therefore a Sabbath Keeping for the people of God. For the one who has entered into His Rest. The Good News of being His House, whose House we are if we hold fast our confidence firm unto the end heeding His voice, His helping us when we are tempted in sin. He ALSO, IN ADDITION TO ENTERING INTO THIS REST. He also ceases from His own works AS, JUST LIKE God did from His on the Seventh Day.

Two things not one. NO WAY AROUND THAT. The Rest which is the Good News and, ALSO the ceasing from our own works, AS, just like God did FROM HIS on the Seventh Day. The verse says as, which means just like God did from His SO UNLESS you or anyone else is going to say God had an evil heart of unbelief and needed to enter into His Rest, the good news in Christ Jesus and heed His own voice. The ceasing from our own works as God did from His must be that in which was spoken in that certain place, Mt Sinia. And that ceasing from our OWN WORKS was the physical works of our hands that we do. NOT SPIRITUAL. Because God rested from His physical work of Creation. And because He did, He hallowed the Seventh Day and sanctified it. So, He speaks again of the Seventh Day and the keeping of the Sabbath if we enter into His rest, Good News, Christ Jesus. And how does He speak it it. He calls for us to keep it as He did cease from our own work.



Heb 4:4 For he spake in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works.
Heb 4:5 And in this place again, If they shall enter into my rest.

Heb 4:9 There remains, therefore, Sabbathkeeping for the people of God.
Heb 4:10 For the one who has entered into His rest, he also has ceased from his works, just as God did from His own works.


It is a Sabbath keeping not Sabbath rest in verse 4:9. There is a difference. If you keep the Sabbath you are resting on the Seventh Day. And the Seventh Day is the Premise of the context as verses 4:4 and 5 put forth. Because that is what He spoke of on that certain place, Mt Sinia. In almost all Lexicons the first citation after the word in question is the definition. What follows that typically is how it is seen figuratively as seen in Strong's and ABSMLG where it is stated. Or how it is interpreted or being used in a translation or in the mind of the author.


Thayer's citation: Original: σαββατισμός
- Transliteration: Sabbatismos
- Phonetic: sab-bat-is-mos'
- Definition:
1. a keeping sabbath
2. the blessed rest from toils and troubles looked for in the age to come by the true worshippers of God and true Christians
- Origin: from a derivative of G4521
- TDNT entry: 07:35,0
- Part(s) of speech: Noun Masculine

Strong's citation: From a derivative of G4521; a sabbatism a sabbatism that is (figuratively) the repose of Christianity (as a type of heaven): - rest.

Webster's definition of sabbatism
-ˌtizəm
noun
plural -s
the strict observance of the sabbath

LSJ's citation: Σαββᾰτ-ισμός , ὁ , a keeping of days of rest, Ep. Hebr. 4.9 , cf. Plu. 2.166a (codd., βαπτισμούς Bentley).

ABSMGL's citation:
G4520
*† σαββατισμός, -οῦ, ὁ
(< σαββατίζω, to keep the sabbath, Exo 16:30, al.),
a keeping sabbath, a sabbath rest: metaph., as in Mishna (Zorell, s.v.), Heb 4:9.†

Hentenza said:

“Therefore let’s make every effort to enter that rest, so that no one will fall by following the same example of disobedience.”

‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭4‬:‭11‬ ‭NASB2020‬‬

Hebrews 4:11 Therefore let’s make every effort to enter that rest, so that no one will fall by following the same example of disobedience. | New American Standard Bible - NASB (NASB2020) | Download The Bible App Now

Therefore let’s make every effort to enter that rest, so that no one will fall by following the same example of disobedience.

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Notice here that it is THAT rest not the sabbath rest that we are to enter. The rest that we have to enter is the believers rest that we enter by faith. It even exhorts us to be careful not to follow the example of those listed at the bottom of chapter three that did not enter the promise land because of their lack of faith and disobedience.

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RIght, the writer continues in respect to the rest which is the Good news that we are His house, if hold fast our confidence firm unto the end heeding His voice, so we do not follow after the same example of disobedience through unbelief, not trusting His voice, His help when we are tempted.

This is basically what @SabbathBlessings @BobRyan and @Freth have been saying to everyone in part, I think. But I don't and won't argue that with you. If they think different that is fine.

Say it aint so said:

That is how incompetent the Trump DOJ is...

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I disagree.
I feel that the Trump DOJ made clever, intelligent move in this scenario

essentialsaltes said:

Can Tish cheer yet?

2nd grand jury refuses to indict New York AG Letitia James: Sources​

For a second time in recent days, a federal grand jury in Virginia has refused to indict New York Attorney General Letitia James for alleged mortgage fraud, sources said.

The grand jury rejected the Department of Justice's attempt to refile the case after a federal judge dismissed an earlier case based on the unlawful appointment of the U.S. attorney in the Eastern District of Virginia.

The charges were presented to a grand jury in the Eastern District of Virginia's Alexandria branch after a grand jury in Norfolk, Virginia, last week rejected the charges.

"This unprecedented rejection makes even clearer that this case should never have seen the light of day," James' attorney, Abbe Lowell, said in a statement. "Career prosecutors who knew better refused to bring it, and now two different grand juries in two different cities have refused to allow these baseless charges to be brought. Any further attempt to revive these discredited charges would be a mockery of our system of justice."

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I think the grand jury is potentially focused on preserving the nation's anti-Trump agenda.
Because nothing has changed about the facts, since she was originally indicted;
...she clearly spent the past several years borrowing $$$ to buy properties then deceitfully mischaracterizing the properties' intended uses, to the bank.

I honestly believe she got her campaign strategy 5yrs ago, from thinking long and hard/wondering if Trump is doing the same bank fraud she's been doing herself for 20+ yrs.
Once she researched and concluded he was, is when she charged him.

rjs330 said:

No


No matter what date was chosen there would always be people who paid the money, were vetted and verified and about to take the oath. There has to be a cut off date. And as all cut off dates are, someone is going to get the short straw.

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The obvious solution is to put the cutoff much earlier in the process, e.g. people who haven't already arrived here or who haven't already received greencards yet.

rjs330 said:

Immigration from these countries needs to stop.

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Why?

But even if we accept that premise, these people already immigrated and were already vetted. Cutting them off from taking the citizenship oath doesn't stop immigration. It reverses immigration that already happened.

Oompa Loompa said:

We get it. You think that Kirk's wife and children do not deserve peace and dignity because of Charlie's views.

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If this is how you read between the lines, you might want visit the optometrist. If I'd wanted to say that they don't deserve peace, I would have.

Actually, I'll put a finer point on it - I think they all deserve peace and to be spared from harassment. The Springfield Haitians, unfortunately, didn't get that. Not because of Charlie's views, but partly because of his actions. He made his wealth (and thus, Erika's, too) by peddling fear, lies, and outrage. As far as I'm aware, his widow has done nothing to disavow that part of his business - certainly nothing on the TPUSA website (that she now runs) gives that impression. But why would she? That's what paid for her mansion(s).

Again, I don't think she ought to be harassed like this, but if that's the life she chooses to lead...

David Lamb said:

So where is the evidence that NASA leaders are 33 degree Freemasons? What do bloodlines have to do with it? Being related by blood to a Freemason doesn't make anyone a Freemason.

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I think we are going to get into lizard people next. It is true that there are elite people conspiring to bring in the One World Government to make way for the Anti-Christ, even if they don’t believe in the Anti-Christ. However, they don’t have an easy time of it. Populous movements are growing, and there are still many good Christian people and others fighting against it. The globalists don’t have the power over a large portion of the population. Conspiracy theory people that think the globalists can control all the employees of NASA and all of the scientists back to the 17th century are underestimating the power of God and the free thinking of ordinary people. According to studies, only about 20% of people can be fully brainwashed and controlled. I think the number is higher. In places like Northern Korea, there are always people who pretend and don’t actually believe. You can also see this with whistleblowers in every country. One could not control all 17,000 people in NASA, let alone all of the great scientists in the last few hundred years. Conspiracy theorists want to believe that they have a monopoly on truth and that some groups of people are controlling this crazy world. Controlling the billions of people in the world is like herding cats. So, like the devil in the Garden of Eden, the conspiracy people mix truth and lies to convince as many people as possible who are angry and paranoid. One should also remember that God’s kingdom is based on love, and Satan’s kingdom is based on fear. Individuals don’t try to escape from love, but even demons try to escape from fear.

I think it's pretty clear from Scripture that the Church is now Israel, and inherits the blessings and promises of Israel through Christ.

That said, I also acknowledge that there are verses, especially in Romans, that seem to indicate that God isn't finished with ethnic Israel and will graft the back in. Idk exactly, what this will look like? Are they gonna get their land back, or is it just ethnic Jews deciding they are Christians, now?

I reject both dispensationalism (ie, the Church and ethnic Israel are two separate peoples of God, both with their own destiny and plan of salvation) and replacement theology (all the promises to ethnic Jews have ben transferred to the Church, and there is no longer a future for ethnic Israel.)

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BrotherJJ said:

Rev 7:
4 And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel.
(PARSING: 144k sealed from ALL the TRIBES of the Children of Jacob/ISRAEL.)

5 Of the tribe of Juda, Reuben & Gad .

6 Of the tribe of Aser, Nepthalim & Manassas

7 Of the tribe of Simeon, Levi & Issachar

8 Of the tribe of Zabulon, Joseph & Benjamin
(PARSING: Verses 5-8 confirm 12k ea x 12 tribes = 144,000)

Gen 32:28 God changed Jacob's name to Israel. The 12 tribes of Israel are Jacob's sons. Each son received a land portion (except Levi/Levites they become the priesthood) Joseph receives a double portion of land (Gen 48) And divides it between his 2 sons Ephraim & Manasseh.

Rev 14:
1 And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Zion, and with him a 144k, having his Father's name written in their foreheads.

3 And they sung as it were a new song before the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and no man could learn that song but the hundred and forty and four thousand, which were redeemed from the earth.
(PARSING: These 144k were redeemed from the earth)

4 These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb.
(PARSING: "Redeemed From Among Men" being the FIRSTFRUITS unto God & to the Lamb)

Parsing vs 4
(A) 144k ALL VIRGINS)
(B) These 144k were REDEEMED from AMONG MEN)
(C) Being FIRSTFRUITS onto God & to the Lamb.

1 Cor 15:20 But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept.
(PARSING: Christ is 1st to rise/resurrected from the grave)

Matt 27:
50 Jesus, when he had cried again with a loud voice, yielded up the ghost.
(PARSING: Jesus dies)

51 And, behold, the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom; and the earth did quake, and the rocks rent;
(PARSING: Jesus rips the Temple veil in 1/2 on the way to paradise)

52 And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose,
(PARSING: Many saints are resurrected)

53 And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many.
(PARSING: After Jesus rises 1st, many saints rise, REREADING Rev 14:1-4, 144k > FIRSTFRUITS, "Redeemed From Among Men")

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The 144,000 represents, metaphorically, those clothed in white and ready to meet the Groom, Jesus Christ of Nazareth. Paul begins to explain this in 2 Corinthians 11:2

"For I am jealous for you with godly jealousy. For I have betrothed you to one husband, that I may present you as a chaste virgin to Christ."

It is the entire body of Christ.

Be blessed

Lord, have mercy!

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Homily, Saturday, December 13 2025



Sirach 48:1-4, 9-11

“How awesome are you, Elijah! Whose glory is equal to yours?”



Elijah was a friend of God; he received Him from within.



Matthew 17:10-13

“Also will the Son of Man suffer at their hands.”



Let’s learn how to recognize the beauty of God in a person.



Biblical texts: NAB-RE

Normand Thomas.

mindlight said:

But the USA is not a African Banana Republic - is it?

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Not quite yet. Give us a few months. We're working on it.

iluvatar5150 said:

I bet the Haitian immigrants in Springfield, OH wished for the same sort of peace and dignity that Erika's husband denied them:

https://x.com/charliekirk11/status/1832883283199471676

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We get it. You think that Kirk's wife and children do not deserve peace and dignity because of Charlie's views.