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A2SG · 2025-11-28T10:37:36-0600

RileyG said:
It’s become much more common nowadays. It used to be incredibly, incredibly rare.

Largely due to advances in medical care and treatment.

-- A2SG, science marches on!

ladodgers6 · 2025-11-28T10:36:51-0600

JohnB445 said:
Is the position on Calvinism, that God created people who he would never save, and they will live a short meaningless life only to burn in hell for all eternity with never having even the slightest possibility of avoiding it?

The other position is everyone has a free will choice to choose or reject God, and because they chose to reject, they go to hell and it's their fault.

Suppose you came to the conclusion Calvinism was true all along, are you fine with that, and would it bother you?

And I wanted to give my stance on the matter, I have no idea, and I'm honestly not too concerned I'm more focused on just living the way God would like me to live than figuring out how everything works. If I find out it's true I accept it and move on, I am a believer so I have no reason to be concerned if its true.

But if Calvinism is saying that some believers are not elect and predestined to hell and we HAVE NO IDEA WHO IT IS, and i find that out then yes i would be really concerned.

Question for you. Does God choose his people? Did God choose Israel? Why didn't God choose Egypt?

Landon Caeli · 2025-11-28T10:36:20-0600

BNR32FAN said:
It’s crazy how you make excuses for American citizens who choose to do drugs as if they’re some kind of victim when they’re doing this by choice, not because anyone forced them to do it. I know from 25 years of personal experience with doing drugs and I don’t recall ever buying them from immigrants, I bought them from people who were born & raised right here in the US.

Most addicts started using when they were young and stupid. Then they suffer for decades, because of a previous error in judgement. You should know how hard addiction is to beat. It doesn't take long before that one bad choice becomes an absolute necessity. Time is a strange concept, and drugs tango in the in-between.

Oompa Loompa · 2025-11-28T10:34:49-0600

MarkSB said:
Take all those, and compare them to "the woman" who seems so decidedly evil in your eyes.

I do not think she is evil.

GoldenBoy89 · 2025-11-28T10:32:00-0600

Servus said:
You're all over the place with this.

Like I said, don’t trouble yourself too much about it.

rambot · 2025-11-28T10:30:57-0600

I worry about American Christians and how Trump is affecting them.

Ezekial 16 49-50
“‘Now this was the sin of your sister Sodom: She and her daughters were arrogant, overfed and unconcerned; they did not help the poor and needy. 50 They were haughty and did detestable things before me.

America is becoming the next Sodom. God makes a very clear, bullet point list of the sins of Sodom. There are 7 things on that list and only one of them could potentially be assumed to refer to the story of Lot's daughter. But even that story is only a SINGLE event and I haven't heard evidence that the whole town was gay (also strange that they don't focus on the "rape" side of that but...okay).

Here we have third world people getting the shaft from, again, the richest country that has ever existed. And here are Christians defending that.

I don't understand where this lack of concern for those people comes from. God calls us to SPECIFICALLY TARGET TO SUPPORT those people.

I truly doubt that American pre 2010 would feel okay with this move.

BNR32FAN · 2025-11-28T10:28:26-0600

essentialsaltes said:
When the proposed solution is to stop all immigration from Madagascar or Bangladesh, I'm going to need to see the logical connection between the one and the other. Seeing things that aren't there is also a problem of faulty vision.

Yeah my wife and two daughters were born in the Philippines, they’ve never touched any drugs in their life. Drugs and violence aren’t even a problem in the Philippines, and yet they’re being lumped into a huge demographic that they don’t even fit into because of their poverty level.

Landon Caeli · 2025-11-28T10:28:21-0600

dogs4thewin said:
if that were the case why would they not be MAGA by your logic of showing up to Trump rallies?

They don't want to be called Nazi or fascist. Or worse, attacked by aggressive counterprotesters.

FAITH-IN-HIM · 2025-11-28T10:28:11-0600

Benjamin Müller said:
I suppose I would be in the camp that doesn't believe the Bible is 100% accurate but rather 99% accurate. There are spurious verses and a few scribal errors that have made their way into the text but it doesn't impact my belief on it being the word of God. I think the writer of the article would have done better to explain if accuracy is meant by scribal errors and spurious verses or if people truly do not trust it as the word and inspiration of God.

Overall it's really nice to see that the younger generation and especially the men leading the way in spiritual renewal. A shame about the women, though. I would venture to say that's because they're going to university and droves and depending on the university they are being taught anti-Christian ideologies.

How do you determine which parts of the Bible are factual? Is it possible to believe that Jesus is God—born of a virgin, crucified, and resurrected after three days—but doubt stories like Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego walking through fire because it seems physically impossible?

ladodgers6 · 2025-11-28T10:28:02-0600

Fervent said:
It's rather funny how Calvinists always swear that when Calvinism is criticized its just being misunderstood. So what am I misunderstanding, exactly? Do you deny that the central focus of Calvinist theology is the potency of God and His unrestricted right to be as capricious as He wants, defending as much by citing Romans 9? It's not a lack of understanding that leads me to my criticisms, and I find it disingenuous for you to make such accusations.

Are you accusing God of being unjust? Who are you old man to accuse God. This is pride of fallen man that he wants to put God in a bottle and rub when he wants something. It's man who tells God how things are to be. It's God in the hands of angry sinners, not the other way around, right? By your comments above you need to do more research because obviously your bias lens are blinding you. To be fair I once also discriminated against Calvinism (Doctrines of Grace), when I was an Arminian. So, what's more important?

The truth or my pride not to be wrong and try to win a debate at any cost, including distorting scripture. I choose to seek the truth. I was on a mission to destroy this evil, monstrous Calvinism. Only to find the truth that Calvinism teaches. Redemption Fervent is Monergistic not Synergistic. It's all by Grace Alone. Salvation is not made possible as Synergistic theologies suggests. But fulfilled and secured by God's only begotten Son who signed his own death warrant to propitiate God's justice to sin, and provide and clothed us in his white robes of righteousness.

Here's a quote for you to ponder upon.

"But in his lapse and sinful state, man is not capable, of and by himself, either to think, to will, or to do that which is really good; but it is necessary for him to be regenerated and renewed in his intellect, affections or will, and in all his powers, by God in Christ through the Holy Spirit, that he may be qualified rightly to understand, esteem, consider, will and perform whatever is truly good."

Now if you are thinking that Calvin wrote this, you are mistaken. This was written by Arminius himself. So, let me ask you this. Does a sinner need to be regenerated first, before anything else? Or is a sinner regenerated after they make a decision? Is a sinner's will free in that they can choose God apart from Grace? Please provide scripture.

Thanks.

BNR32FAN · 2025-11-28T10:24:57-0600

Landon Caeli said:
A lot of addicts are in low income areas, where drugs are introduced to them in their early teenage years. They become life-long addicts, and suffer from psychological distress because of it, their entire lives.

So yes, kids do tend to be weak and decadent, regardless of "where". And turning a blind eye to this ongoing cycle it is not compassionate at all.

It’s crazy how you make excuses for American citizens who choose to do drugs as if they’re some kind of victim when they’re doing this by choice, not because anyone forced them to do it. I know from 25 years of personal experience with doing drugs and I don’t recall ever buying them from immigrants, I bought them from people who were born & raised right here in the US.

Maria Billingsley · 2025-11-28T10:24:11-0600

JosephZ said:
Trump Announces Halt On Migration From ‘All Third World Countries’

President Donald Trump announced that he will "permanently pause” immigration from all Third World countries and “remove” anyone who is not a “net asset” to the United States.

From Truth Social:

A very Happy Thanksgiving salutation to all of our Great American Citizens and Patriots who have been so nice in allowing our Country to be divided, disrupted, carved up, murdered, beaten, mugged, and laughed at, along with certain other foolish countries throughout the World, for being “Politically Correct,” and just plain STUPID, when it comes to Immigration. The official United States Foreign population stands at 53 million people (Census), most of which are on welfare, from failed nations, or from prisons, mental institutions, gangs, or drug cartels. They and their children are supported through massive payments from Patriotic American Citizens who, because of their beautiful hearts, do not want to openly complain or cause trouble in any way, shape, or form. They put up with what has happened to our Country, but it’s eating them alive to do so! A migrant earning $30,000 with a green card will get roughly $50,000 in yearly benefits for their family. The real migrant population is much higher. This refugee burden is the leading cause of social dysfunction in America, something that did not exist after World War II (Failed schools, high crime, urban decay, overcrowded hospitals, housing shortages, and large deficits, etc.). As an example, hundreds of thousands of refugees from Somalia are completely taking over the once great State of Minnesota. Somalian gangs are roving the streets looking for “prey” as our wonderful people stay locked in their apartments and houses hoping against hope that they will be left alone. The seriously retarded Governor of Minnesota, Tim Walz, does nothing, either through fear, incompetence, or both, while the worst “Congressman/woman” in our Country, Ilhan Omar, always wrapped in her swaddling hijab, and who probably came into the U.S.A. illegally in that you are not allowed to marry your brother, does nothing but hatefully complain about our Country, its Constitution, and how “badly” she is treated, when her place of origin is a decadent, backward, and crime ridden nation, which is essentially not even a country for lack of Government, Military, Police, schools, etc.

Even as we have progressed technologically, Immigration Policy has eroded those gains and living conditions for many. I will permanently pause migration from all Third World Countries to allow the U.S. system to fully recover, terminate all of the millions of Biden illegal admissions, including those signed by Sleepy Joe Biden’s Autopen, and remove anyone who is not a net asset to the United States, or is incapable of loving our Country, end all Federal benefits and subsidies to noncitizens of our Country, denaturalize migrants who undermine domestic tranquility, and deport any Foreign National who is a public charge, security risk, or non-compatible with Western Civilization. These goals will be pursued with the aim of achieving a major reduction in illegal and disruptive populations, including those admitted through an unauthorized and illegal Autopen approval process. Only REVERSE MIGRATION can fully cure this situation. Other than that, HAPPY THANKSGIVING TO ALL, except those that hate, steal, murder, and destroy everything that America stands for — You won’t be here for long!

Trump’s big crackdown on ‘third-world countries,’ to permanently pause all migration — Full list | Today News

US President Donald Trump’s big crackdown on ‘third-world countries’ after the White House shooting: Pause all migration — Full list

www.livemint.com

Another incident to justify extraordinary use of powers. Let's just add this to the ongoing list.

Landon Caeli · 2025-11-28T10:21:36-0600

dogs4thewin said:
so that would seem to suggest that the younger generations do not care. The youngest baby boomers will be 62 next year the oldest will be 80. If the people in their 20s, 30s and early 40s do not see it we are the "next in line, so if anything by your logic it would be better for the YOUNGER generations to support that.

Or maybe people in their 20s, 30s and early 40s are tired of Kumbaya. Maybe they prefer the *responsibilities* a nation ought to have for it's own citizens, and they want to spread that message instead of the global sluff-off-ness of 'anything goes'.

Landon Caeli · 2025-11-28T10:20:10-0600

BNR32FAN said:
He’s a disgrace to my race

There's only one race. The human race.

Strong in Him · 2025-11-28T10:17:09-0600

Apple Sky said:
Thank you d taylor, I shall take this into account.

And yet this is the 2nd time that D Taylor - your fellow flat earther - has had to correct you about your "evidence" or to say that it does flat earthers no favours.

I've said it before; you post things without any idea of what you are posting.

RileyG · 2025-11-28T10:15:58-0600

essentialsaltes said:
Kidnapping a teenager is a little surprising.

So sad

Strong in Him · 2025-11-28T10:14:22-0600

Apple Sky said:
You'd have to ask Nathan Roberts abot this.

Obviously, I can't.

But I can ask you why you choose to repost it - when you have been told that the verses are wrong, or do not say what you think they say.

RileyG · 2025-11-28T10:13:33-0600

BCP1928 said:
No, I understand that it was vaginoplasty. The point is, that transition surgery was not just invented by the Biden administration.

Gender-affirming surgery - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

It’s become much more common nowadays. It used to be incredibly, incredibly rare.

BNR32FAN · 2025-11-28T10:13:25-0600

JosephZ said:
This is true, and the fact that the president of the United States wrote this ignorant and disgusting trash should concern every American. It's not normal and dangerous.

He’s a disgrace to my race, my religion, and my country. This is what happens when the American people are forced to choose between the lesser of two idiots, the outcome is always going to result in having an idiot in office.

RileyG · 2025-11-28T10:12:55-0600

BCP1928 said:
Because if you interacted at work with a person who appeared to be female but was actually male you would go to Hell?

No. Good grief

BCP1928 said:
But gender identity often explains gender role choices. And suppression of those choices may cause psychological stress which can be relieved by taking up the entire social role of the opposite gender. Why people think this is an existential threat to the Republic is beyond me.

No. It’s more about mental health than being a threat.

Stopped_lurking said:
So how is pronouns determined by sex then? You don't observe sex directly.

Sex and gender are (mostly) related.

BNR32FAN · 2025-11-28T10:11:18-0600

Landon Caeli said:
The third world countries are the real threat! Wake up! They are the ones with the cartels, who use their own people to smuggle the drugs into this country, which poisons our population with mind altering substances, causing them to fail in education, lose the jobs they can get, become unemployable going forward, and then eventually, off to prison.

AI Overview

Approximately 85% of the U.S. prison population has an active substance use disorder (SUD) or were incarcerated for a crime involving drugs or drug use.

...The cycle is real. It's not all kumbaya with feeding the world's poor. We're getting destroyed here.

“We’re getting destroyed”? Who is we, the people who choose to buy drugs? Are you getting destroyed by drugs because they’re available? And who is “they”? Do you judge people by their actions or do you judge them by their race and nationality?

Landon Caeli · 2025-11-28T10:10:11-0600

dogs4thewin said:
drug addiction affects people of all income levels.

Yes it does. But it effects certain groups more severely than other groups, and studies show that low-income areas suffer the worst fate, because that's where the drug dealers live and sell their products because it becomes their job. Again, this is a known cycle that people prefer not to acknowledge.

JulieB67 · 2025-11-28T10:10:02-0600

Dan1988 said:
I can't answer questions which ae based on a false premise,

I asked for your beliefs about the scriptures I posted? Do you understand that question? I then asked how are we taking things out of context in those same verses? If you can't answer those than I would start to question your teachers.

Dan1988 said:
then mocking me for not answering an silly nonsensical question.

It was a simple question about scriptures. You claim to have all the truth so you should be able to have an honest discussion about scripture and what your beliefs are about said scriptures. But you continually refuse to do so and resort to insults.

Dan1988 said:
No, No, No, you've never posted a single verse to support your heretical theory that death means annihilation or cessation of existence, so please stop lying. You can't find any because they don't exist outside of your wild imagination.

At this point I'm not even sure if you're a Christian or a troll. And that's an honest statement. If would only explain why you continue to lie. I and others have posted scriptures, you can look back on this thread and see them. Even you posted scriptures that point to our argument, not yours.

Here once again are just a few-

Malachi 4:1 "For, behold, the day cometh, that shall burn as an oven; and all the proud, yea, and all that do wickedly, shall be stubble: and the day that cometh shall burn them up, saith the Lord of hosts, that it shall leave then neither root nor branch.

God is making it very clear that there will be nothing left.

Malachi 4:3 "And ye shall tread down the wicked; for they shall be ashes under the soles of your feet in the day that I shall do this, saith the Lord of hosts."

Destroy in the Hebrew shamad
1. to desolate

Strong's Exhaustive Concordance
destruction, bring to nothing, overthrow, perish, pluck down, utterly
A primitive root; to desolate -- destroy(- uction), bring to nought, overthrow, perish, pluck down, X utterly.

Psalms 145:20 "The Lord preserveth all them that love Him: But all the wicked will He destroy."

Psalms 37:20 "But the wicked shall perish, And the enemies of the Lord shall be as the fat of lambs: They shall consume; into smoke shall they consume away.

Once again, God can't be any more clear. The wicked will consume away, into smoke, shall they consume away. You can try and work around these verses but again, you put them all together and with Christ's teaching it tells us without a doubt what will happen to the wicked.

Psalms 37:38 "But the transgressors shall be destroyed together: The end of the wicked shall be cut off.

Matthew 10:28 "And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell."

II Thessalonians 1:9 "Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;"

But if one wants to redefine certain words and add to God's Word to believe in a doctrine, have at it. I try to always take the bible as a whole and even common sense goes a long way when in reading the Word, we see and learn the very nature of God.

Dan1988 said:
But I'm a born again Christian, who doesn't need to check anything because I know the truth of the gospel already.

Wow, ever heard of the word humility?

Paul told us to test "all things" Are you above Paul? The Word of God should always be our standard, yes even verses our teachers. Christ also taught against false shepherds.

Dan1988 said:
So before you go checking to see if those things are so, how about you first join a bible class for beginners so you can at least learn the basics.

Why so I can come away with the milk of God's Word? Something I was fed over and over in churches. Paul states we are to move past that.

Do you not really feel equipped to handle at lease some of God's Word on your own? I've learned more on my own than I did years sitting on a church pew- that's the problem with so many. Am I still growing in the Word? I believe so and hopefully I will continue to do so as I study every day. But I have at least read it in it's entirety, something I'm seriously doubting you have done. If you had you would be able to have a honest biblical discussion without resorting to insults, judgement, etc.

boughtwithaprice · 2025-11-28T10:09:17-0600

SabbathBlessings said:
I have presented my arguments with Scripture, you have presented your arguments with your own words. Again Jesus never fulfilled the Sabbath so we can profane it, just like He didn't fulfil the other 9 commandments so we can stay in our sins where there remains no more sacrifice Hen10:26-30 Why He told us not to break the least of these commandments or teach others to, and in doing so comes with a pretty serious warning in my view Mat5:19-30

There is no such thing as the Jewish Sabbath. People use this to try to lower what the Sabbath is really about- God's holy day, the holy day of the Lord thy God thus saith the Lord. Isa58:13 made for man, the word Jesus used means mankind in Greek and Adam in Hebrew. mat2:27 that started at Creation thus saith the Lord Exo20:11 when there was not Jew or Israel just man and God.

I do not need to prove the Sabbath is a commandment of God, because God said so and I have provided a plethora of Scripture. You would need to prove where God said we do not need to keep the Sabbath commandment and where He transferred the power that comes with the Sabbath- His sanctification and blessings from the Sabbath, to the first day. God already spoke on this matter, He wrote it Himself, if we can't believe God's own Testimony Exo31:18 and said He would not alter His words Psa89:34 not a jot or tittle Mat5:18-19, what I say will not mean anything.

Take care.

You are also misstating the argument, to say that I advocate profaning the Sabbath, when I do no such thing, neither does the Apostolic teaching.
The Ten Commandments were written to the children of Israel by the finger of God and presented to them by Moses
The New Covenant does not profane the Sabbath, but expands it. God is not limited by His creation, else He would not be God. This is why Jesus says that the Sabbath was created for man, not man for the Sabbath, and He declared Himself Lord of the Sabbath, the Sabbath not being Lord of Him.
In the New Covenant, we keep the Sabbath every day. We deny ourselves and take up our cross. We do not work for ourselves six days and worship God one day. The work that we now do is not to enrich ourselves and grow our influence, rather it is a sacrifice in service for the people of God and for the greater glory of God.
The scripture says that they may see the good works that you do and give glory to God. As Christians, we have ceased from our labors of self edification and taken on the yolk of Christ’s sacrifice, as He says my yolk is easy and my burden light.
Do you remember where scripture says be anxious for nothing. Take no care for tomorrow for tomorrow will take care for itself, sufficient for today is the evil thereof. We are combating evil spirits every day and we are resting from our own labors in Christ everyday, not once per week. The Sabbath is not profaned and never will be.
The Apostles appointed over us have called the Church to remember Christ’s sacrifice on the cross and resurrection once per week as a sign of obedience, but that has nothing to do with sabbath rest that is everyday. Jesus rose on the first day of the week, and the Holy Spirit descended with tongues of fire on the first day of the week.
If we are not working for self exaltation, but rather as a sacrifice to our brothers and sisters, the Sabbath is not profaned. Jesus healed on the Sabbath and He even taught that labor in sacrifice is permitted on the Sabbath, when He said who of you if your beast has fallen into a pit would not pull it out on the Sabbath?
It is wonderful and laudable that you wish to please God to the best of your ability. To call your fellow Christians deceived and carrying the mark of the beast is profoundly misleading and does no service for the glory of God, nor the Sabbath
I whole heartedly apologize to you, if my previous words led you to believe that I advocate profaning the Sabbath. It is not true, God’s glory is to be honored never profaned. Presumption is a terrible sin of which I would be guilty if I advocated profanation of the Sabbath. If I have in the past then I repent before you and God right now

Resting in Christ everyday and living a life of sacrifice is not profanation of the Sabbath.
Jesus Christ is the same yesterday today and forever. After the resurrection, the Apostles taught continual self sacrifice, not ceasing from work once per week.
Your faith can be hijacked by seducing spirits that say continual rest in Jesus and self sacrifice is evil. They play on emotion and limited knowledge. Which do you say is more righteous, continual Sabbath or once per week Sabbath?
Scripture says Woe to those that call the evil good and the good evil. This tells us that using our limited knowledge to call others evil, when they are good, will bring us woe.
Would you rather have woe, or have Our Lord say peace be still and know that I am God?

May God show you His peace to keep you from woe.

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