Jeremiah 8:10 I will give the Land to new owners:
Zephaniah 3:1-8 Woe to the place of oppression, filthy and defiled, they heed no warning voice and ignore God’s rebukes. They won’t take correction or place their trust in their Creator. Their leaders have no concern for the people and prophet and priest alike profane the Holy Scriptures.
The people who ‘won’t take correction and trust their Creator’, is the Jewish State of Israel.

The Lord has judged and punished them before, their land laid waste and the towns deserted and He thought: surely now they will fear Me and will accept instruction, but they continue on in their evil deeds and they show no shame for it.
Judah has been punished and exiled before; by Babylon and by Rome. But as Ezekiel 21:14 tells us, there will be a third time.

Therefore: look out for Me, for the Day when I will stand up to witness against you, on the Day that I execute justice upon the nations, for I will pour out My fierce anger and the whole earth will be enveloped by the fire of My wrath.
This will be the great and terrible Day of the Lord’s vengeance and fiery wrath against the nations. Prophesied in the Bible over 100 times. Habakkuk 3:12 2 Peter 3:7, Revelation 6:12-17, +

Zephaniah 3:11-13 On that Day, Jerusalem, I shall wipe away your shame for all the transgressions committed in you, for I shall remove all your proud and arrogant citizens, only the humble and peaceful people will remain and those who never practise evil or speak lies, they will settle in the Land and nothing will disturb them.

This is the great Second Exodus of all of God’s people into all of the holy Land. Every faithful Christian: a vast multitude from every tribe, race, nation and language. Isaiah 66:18-21, Ezekiel 34:11-31, Romans 9:24=26, Revelation 7:9 and the amazing stories in Psalms 107.

Zephaniah 3:9-10 They will all know a pure language, so everyone will know the true Name of the Lord and will praise Him with one accord. My worshippers, all the righteous people will come from afar to worship the Lord and bring offerings to Him. People from every race, nation and language, all the born again Christian people, will travel there to live, in the new nation of Beulah, Isaiah 62:1-5, while the rest of the world is ruled by a One World Government. Daniel 7:23, Revelation 17:12

Zephaniah 3:14-17 Daughter of Jerusalem; sing for joy! For the Lord has taken away your punishments and has cast out your enemies. Now the Lord is with you and you need never again fear disaster.
On the Day of the Lord’s wrath; This is the message for My people: Fear not, stand firm in your faith, your God will keep you safe and will rejoice over you.
Ref: REB, CJB, KJV. Some verses condensed and paraphrased.

This chapter of Zephaniah encapsulates the soon to happen end times story.
It tells how Jerusalem, the holy Land is desecrated by its ungodly inhabitants and will rejoice when they are gone.

How those enemies of the Lord, the evil neighbors, Jeremiah 12:14, and all who reject the Salvation of Jesus, will be uprooted and gone, then the holy Land resettled by the Lord’s faithful believers. Ezekiel 34:11-31 tells it plainly.

Jeremiah 7:30-34 & 8:1-13 The people of Judah have done wrong, they worship idols and have no regard for their Creator....Therefore, the time is coming when I shall fill the valley of Topeth with their corpses.......All the survivors of this wicked race, from wherever I have banished them, would rather die than live. Isaiah 22:14
...Judah is incurable in their waywardness......I listen, but I hear not one word of remorse ....My people do not know the Judgements of the Lord. How can you say: We are wise and we have the Law of God, when your scribes and priests have falsified it? The wise are shamed and where is wisdom in them?
Therefore I will give their wives to others and give their land to new owners, for all of their prophets and priests are frauds....on My Day of reckoning, they will fall with a great crash. I shall surely consume them says the Lord and there will be no grapes on the vine, [Israel] and no figs on the fig tree. [Judah]

We Christians are told by Paul in 1 Thessalonians 5:4-5, that we should know God’s plans for what will happen in the near future. Zephaniah 3 gives it to us, confirmed by the sequence of Revelation chapters 6-7.

What is presented in these scriptures, is God’s Promises to His faithful people, His blessings of peace and prosperity, of joy and happiness, of security and long life, as all who love Him and keep the Commandments; will live in His Land.
It is the prophetic parallel of ancient Israel, where Jesus led the people through the desert and how most of them refused to accept the Promise. 1 Corinthians 10:6-13
Ezekiel 20:34-38 tells how, once again, some of His people will revolt and rebel and they will not be allowed to enter the Land of Israel.

In today’s situation, we have many who have accepted the Gospel, but who have chosen their own beliefs about what God intends to do for His people and during this forthcoming test, 1 Peter 4:12, they may fail to stand firm in their trust that the Lord will protect them. This won’t lose their salvation, but it will be a serious disadvantage, 1 Corinthians 3:13-15

The great chapter of Isaiah 35:1-10, is one of the many prophesies that describe the Lord’s faithful Christian people entering the holy Land, says: ...no one unclean will go there....The Lord’s people, set free: will enter Zion with shouts of triumph.

Psalms 107 and Isaiah 66:18b-21, describe how the Lord will help His people to travel to the holy Land.

Apple Sky said:

So he committed suicide ?
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I don't think we call it suicide when somebody refuses advice on staying healthy, and then dies as a result of that refusal, whether we're talking of smoking, drug-taking, eating unhealthy foods, alcoholism, or refusing vaccinations.

Apple Sky said:

I'm not facing the Bristol Channel from my view point I'm facing the Irish Sea.

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But you cannot see Devon by looking from Wales over the Irish Sea. South Wales is separated from North Devon and North Somerset by the Bristol Channel, not by the Irish Sea.

Godless peoples live in the Holy Land:

Psalms 79:1-7 The heathen have invaded Your domain, Lord – they have defiled Your Holy Place and ruined Your Land. Your servants have been killed and evicted from Jerusalem. Now we suffer the taunts of our neighbours and the threats of those around us.
Lord: You are roused to a fury, Your indignation blazes like a fire. Pour out Your wrath onto the nations that do not acknowledge You, those peoples that deny Your existence, for they have taken over the heritage of Jacob.

Psalms 79:8-13 Do not remember against Your people the guilt of past generations, rather let Your compassion come swiftly to meet us, for now we are brought so low. Help us, God our saviour for the honour of Your Name. For Your Name’s sake rescue us and wipe out our sins. Why should the nations ask: Where is their God?

May we see Your vengeance for their treatment of Your servants.
Let the supplications of Your people from around the world, reach Your presence and in Your great might save those who are dead in the spirit. Ezekiel 37:13-14
Turn back sevenfold onto their own heads the contempt the godless nations pour upon You. Then, we; Your people: the flock whom You shepherd, will give You thanks forever and praise You to all generations.
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‘The heathen have invaded Your domain’- Most of the current inhabitants of the Holy Land, that is: the area from the Nile to the Euphrates, are atheistic, apostate or false religion worshippers. Isaiah 20:30-32, Psalms 52:1-5

‘neighbours have taken over the heritage of Jacob’-
Neighbours: the enemies of God and the rejecters of Jesus, living in or adjacent to the State of Israel. Jeremiah 12:14, Ezekiel 21:13-14
Jacob: the Overcomer for God, now every faithful Christian. Galatians 3:26-29, Ephesians 3:6 and in each of the Seven Churches of Revelation.

‘Your indignation blazes like fire’ - The multi prophesied punishment by fire that the Lord will bring upon the world, especially devastating to the Middle East. Ezekiel 30:2-5, Amos 1:3-15, Zephaniah 1:1-18, 2 Peter 3:7

‘onto their own heads’- The weapons prepared by the nations who attack will ‘recoil upon themselves’. Psalms 7:12-15, Obadiah 1:15, Joel 3:4

‘Your people, the flock whom You shepherd’, Faithful, born again Christian people from every race nation and language, protected, saved and then living in their heritage: the holy Land. Ezekiel 34:11-16, Isaiah 35:1-10, Romans 8:16-18, Romans 9:24-26

Psalms 79 is another example of How the Lord will act when an Islamic confederation commences their attack on the State of Israel, as Prophesied in Psalms 83. It will be the literal fulfilment of the many prophecies of a terrible punishment by fire upon the nations, an explosion of the suns surface, instigated by the Lord, but He is not seen at this time, so it can be thought of as a natural disaster by the secular peoples.
It will be the sudden and shocking Lord’s Day of vengeance and wrath, that will virtually depopulate all the area given to Abraham, nearly four centuries ago. Zephaniah 1:14-18

This will allow the gathering and settling of the true, faithful Israelites – natural and grafted in, to live in the Holy Land. The rest of the world will form a One World Government, as nations will cede their sovereignty because of this disaster.
About 10 years later, after all that is prophesied in Revelation to happen before the Return has taken place, then the Lord Jesus will Return for His Millennium reign.

Warden_of_the_Storm said:

Because it's shifting the goalposts. At flat elevation, with my own eyes, on a flat earth, I should have no problem at all seeing the Isle of Man. I do not.

Ergo, through simple use of logic, the flat earth models is incorrect and impossible.

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.....and besides, looking through the most powerful telescope in the world will only bring back into view things that are not beyond the horizon, not things like a ship that has travelled beyond the horizon, a country that is beyond the horizon, or the sun that has set beyond the horizon. I have told Apple sky many times that I cannot see France, even through binoculars, from my window which looks out from the South Devon Coast over the English Channel. Why not, if the earth is, as she claims, a flat disc?

Chesterton said:

When you're getting flak, you know you're over the target.

Agreed. And I have no personal experience with any "Orthobro" problem. Our congregation looks like a meeting of the U.N. We have folks representing every continent and color on Earth. Even Middle Earth (a Kiwi, lol).

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Well, there IS a Russian version of the “Orthobros”, and they are those that seek to venerate Stalin and dream of the Russian Empire (or of a “Christianized Soviet Union”), and tend to identify Orthodoxy with “Holy Rus”. For years I stood in our parish consciously aware that I was a walking rebuke to that attitude, that a representative of their Cold War enemy was standing among them and worshiping with them.
That’s all gone with the wind, now, though.

concretecamper said:

Of course Truth can be known. Christ promised that the Paraclete will be with His Church forever.


John 14:16 And I will ask the Father: and he shall give you another Paraclete, that he may abide with you for ever:
14:17 The spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, nor knoweth him. But you shall know him; because he shall abide with you and shall be in you.

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Thank you for that point.
So, do you agree that those seeking truth can find it through Jesus' followers whom he guides by holy spirit?

How do these ones hear, listen, and follow?
Romans 10:13-15

Would you agree or disagree that it is by

• listening to those Jesus sends to preach the good news;
• examining the scriptures to see if these things are so; Acts 17:11
• accepting and applying what they are taught... if it aligns with the scriptures Acts 17:12

?
Can we not therefore use the scriptures to come to know truth... with the help of those Jesus sends?

Did I not speak correctly in line with the scriptures?

The scriptures repeatedly say that listening to Jesus involves listening to his followers. Mark 6:11; 1 John 4:6
We are from God. Whoever knows God listens to us; whoever is not from God does not listen to us. That is how we know the Spirit of truth and the spirit of deception.

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Brother Del said:

I've requested that my account be deleted. If you found these links and videos etc useful, you may want to save them to pass along after I'm gone. I don't know if they will be available later.

I came here for fellowship, as I'm single and live alone and don't know any believers or have a good church at this time.

This is one of the most unwelcoming, unkind, unloving and judgmental environments I have ever experienced. And not just this particular thread.

There are some wonderful, sincere and genuinely humble and loving Christians here, I just haven't met enough of them to justify my stay.

Thanks for the kind words.

Much love. Much peace.

Yah alone be praised.

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I hope you will not think that just because other posters here disagree with your belief about the shape of the earth, they must be unloving towards you. I am sure (because she has said so) that Apple Sky considers me as a Christian friend, as I do her, even though she and I don't agree on such things as the shape of the earth, whether the moon landings took place, the nature of Antarctica, and so on. I hope you will reconsider your decision to leave Christin Forums.

"Be holy for I am holy"

That is never popular

concretecamper said:

Listen, you're not going to get anywhere with her. Her belief is that unless you can ALWAYS choose right, you don't have free will. Of course that is a bogus belief, but it's the way she sees it.

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I'm not talking to @Clare73. That was @childeye 2 I was addressing.
I asked Clare a question, and until she answers, she isn't communicating with the OP, and the OP has said his final words on that.

I thought you were finished.
I hope you aren't here to give anyone a reason to fill the thread with meaningless posts.
You don't want people who visit the thread to have to dig through a pile of nothingness.

The thread can remain small, without extending it needlessly with someone repeating words they have no support for, and where they aren't interested in conversating.

RDKirk said:

They executed guards and soldiers who violated what was already international law treaties that Germany had ratified. In other words, they had violated the laws of their own nation.

If a US soldier obeys a law that is declared illegal only after the fact, he will not be prosecuted.

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So since it's illegal to use excessive force in the US, Navy or Coast Guard personal can be prosecuted for deliberately killing alleged criminals in speed boats?

there is already a thread on this

Fervent said:

Seems you're presenting a false disjunctive. Why should we have to choose?

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I didn't propose it. I just which since you asked

jas3 said:

Yeah, for the life of me I can't figure out what the "strain of neoconfederate Orthodoxy that marries white supremacy and Orthodox practice" is supposed to be referring to.

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I found that sentence chilling: its the kind of falsehood that gets people hurt.

we could be around the end times now, just due to the numbers.
only about 2% of men ages 13 to 45 are virgins, and 144K male christian (as in, righteous jews who listen to the spirit of God) is about what i would expect there to be out of 8 billion people on earth. -followed by a great multitued of about 2% of the rest of the planet or around 100 million.

Delvianna said:

3) It insinuates sex with women (even in marriage) is defilement and we know that's not the case because God created sex and literally gave the command TO multiply.

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i wondered about this for over a decade prior to getting married in mid 2021, and i understood what it means afterwards.

there is a permanent spiritual shift in the man's spirituality and consciousness once he has relations with a woman.
basically you become spiritually responsible for another person, and more.
-because of the multiplication of sin, the vast majority of men will hear "she's just a girl, you were a teenager, forget about her" when they ask what do about what i'm feeling/sensing/feeling responsible for/feeling guilty about, etc.

Guojing said:

Once you are able to separate the body of Christ from Israel’s, everything becomes clearer

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First there were the elohim who three times led to the fall of man. Then there was the House of Israel which replaced them, which also failed God. Then we had Jesus, the new Israel. He did not fail the Father but we as a church and people, have once again failed both Him and the Father, for refusing to abandon the world of man for the Kingdom and the Father's will.

The Liturgist said:

Yes, clearly: fasting for 40 days is possible but uncomfortable, as any Orthodox Christian will tell you. Hence the devil tempting Him.

Insofar as Christ is God incarnate, after He put on our fallen nature in order to redeem and glorify it He would have been vulnerable to any and all forms of human suffering up to and including death, and this is reflected in the Creed.

The rejection of the idea of suffering on the part of Christ is the characteristic belief of Docetism and the related Nestorian and Apthartodocetist belief systems, which separate the divinity of Christ from His human prosopon hypostatically, which means you have one divine person united to the man Jesus only by a shared will.

The latter belief system began to emerge in the writings of Diodore of Tarsus, was expounded upon by Theodore of Mopesuestia and then adopted by Nestorius as a means of justifying his attempt to suppress, with force, the use of the traditional title “Theotokos” found in the writings of his illustrious predecessor in Constantinople, St. John Chrysostom, who was also from Antioch originally, and in other early church fathers; before Nestorius, only the Antidicomarians rejected this title as as a group.

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You've read the Church Fathers more than me, but insofar as I can tell, yes--the union of God and Christ is an indescribable unity, or perhaps best described in the traditional Creeds. Any attempt to separate the Man from Deity is going to result in a heresy.

And if God revealed Himself in Christ, the man, then certainly he was as vulnerable as any other mortal on earth--only he was directed in a life determined by God to express His only Begotten Son. We don't know how much suffering this entailed, but we're told it was real.

mark46 said:

The market favors those who are plumbers and electricians.

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they do not make enough money to buy an average house and raise a family in a high cost of living area where they work. they live outside of those areas and commute. outside of those areas, they aren't needed. homeowners do their own electrical and plumbing.

the market has responded by raising the bar to become a licensed skilled trade, even higher. by the market i mean insurance companies.

i have a friend who is a plumber and he wants to start his own company, he told me "i've pulled a lot of f'd up plumbing out of houses. turns out it worked for 50 years before me, i don't see why the code needs a 2" vent on a sink. hell it doesn't need one at all." --words to that effect.

you can make 25$ an hour as a roofer while your boss charges the clients 60$ an hour and pays the insurance company 25$ an hour for you to walk on a roof...
or you do it yourself in a few days and buy the materials for a tenth of the price you can pay someone else to do it.

eventually something breaks.

one thing i will say works is you can pay someone to install insulation cheaper than you can buy the insulation from a big box store and do it yourself.
-even in a HCOL

sovereigngrace said:

Dispies make it up as they go. Your diversion is another erroneous theological invention.

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I see you don`t have scripture, however I posted some and that is what needs to be discussed.

Have you ever considered that `Jerusalem` above is made up of two parts - Mount Zion and the city, the New Jerusalem.

`But you have come to Mount Zion and to the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem,...` (Heb. 12: 22)

Mount Zion is where the Lord Jesus rules from His own throne. His Father has set Him there.

`I have set my King on my holy hill of Zion.` (Ps. 2: 6) `...a throne set in heaven, and one sat on the throne..` (Rev. 4: 2)

The city part is for the Old Testament Saints.

`But they desire a better, that is a heavenly country. Therefore, God is not ashamed to be called their God, for He has prepared a city for them.` (Heb. 11: 16)

So...Mount Zion is the seat of the Lord`s rule and in the highest, with His Body of believers.

`To him who overcomes I will grant to sit with me on my throne...` (Rev. 3: 21)


Then the city part comes down out of the highest heaven to the universe realm and is the rule over the earth.

`Then I, John, saw the holy city, new Jerusalem coming down out of heaven from God,...` (Rev. 21: 2)

Daniel Martinovich said:

Not really. Because the the New Jerusalem has always illustrated God's OT and NT saints.
The Bride of Christ

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However, Mount Zion has always represented rulership - David`s and the Lord`s.

BCP1928 said:

It's time for the Democrats to throw LGBTs under the bus and move forward on substantive issues. I'm sorry for those people but it really won't be any worse for them than back in the 50s and most of them survived that. Strategically, Democrats have to decouple the culture war left from the labor left and get down to business.

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this will happen when they realize the real problem is the falling birthrate.

the two sides of the horseshoe will meet in the middle and.. work together to solve that problem.

Apple Sky said:

You live in Oz, maybe you can explain this.

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Funnily enough I drove down that 90 mile road two weeks ago. Here's a piccie I took with my drone (video won't upload):



It's a straight road. No bends or curves. The higher the drone went, the further I could see. Funny that. And if I get the drone to look out to sea at around 1,000m up (well away from civilisation where there may be restrictions) then you can see ships in the distance. But as the drone drops they dissapear over the horizon.

Why do you think that happens?

Oh, another thing. I've now driven across the continent north to south and east to west. The difference in distance is a few hundred kms. Your flat maps show Australia about 5x as wide in width compared to height.

Your flat earth map is very wrong indeed.

ThatRobGuy said:

I'm blaming them because it was their fault...

If we agree that increased public exposure of the Nick Fuentes types is what's driving this fracturing of the GOP...

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No, it’s not merely the greater exposure that the Groypers are getting. It’s also that they’re becoming more numerous on the right, particularly among their younger ranks. The Republican party of old would have censored this stuff themselves.

Landon Caeli said:

From the article:
"Abu Tahir, a student and prayer leader, said the encounter was deeply traumatic. “I had to relive the whole thing again,” he said. “Hearing every voice, every insult, every atrocious claim that they had made against our religion"

Awe, that's so sad. Thing is, as a Catholic, I get to hear my own friends and coworkers rag about my religion my entire life. Anyone see me weeping about it? No. You get over it and move on. It's called being humble.

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Oh, is that what this is? Humility?