DaisyDay said:

Does this, "You know, there’s no reason to be good.", seem sociopathic to anyone else?

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Along with everything else he says and does.

Bradskii said:

The art of the deal, I guess. 'Show me you're good (not that there's any reason to be good) and there'll be something in it for you'.

I can't believe that anyone voted for him, let alone enough people to win an election.

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Twice!

essentialsaltes said:

Trump Says ‘There’s No Reason To Be Good’ – Except To Get Into Heaven​

At one point, a reporter asked about a presidential prayer initiative ahead of the country’s 250th anniversary next year.

Trump cogently explained the need for the initiative and the importance he places on it:

We’re dealing – as you know – with all of the different – and not just evangelicals, Christians. We’re dealing with lots of different faiths, religions. And I felt for a long time that if a country doesn’t have religion, doesn’t have faith, doesn’t have God, it’s gonna be very hard to be a good country.

You know, there’s no reason to be good. I wanna be good because you wanna prove to God you’re good so you go to that next step, right? So, that’s very important to me. I think it’s really, very important.

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Such a childish understanding of salvation.

Do good = go to heaven. Do bad = go to hell. It’s like he’s never cracked open a bible once in his life.

Hans Blaster said:

The law on marital rape didn't exist in some places for extended periods because some people in those societies didn't think it was wrong enough to make it a crime.

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And the definition of absolute morality we are using in this thread says it's without 'regard to...culture'. Plainly it is in regard to culture.

Law degree

This doesn’t surprise me, unfortunately.

Awful! Lord have mercy!

dogs4thewin said:

The republicans in the senate are voting together,

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Well, all but one.

Yarddog said:

There is medicine to help those with ADHD to live fairly normal lives. My nephew has ADHD and is an Engineer with several degrees. That takes concentration.

Living a faithful Godly life doesn't take a lot of concentration. It takes surrendering to the Holy Spirit and letting that Spirit guide you.

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You have said it takes concentration to get several degrees.

Then you say living a faithful Godly life doesn't take concentration.

Are we to assume the Godly don't need to concentrate to pass degrees ?

Apple Sky said:

As it is with all Christians but sooner or later one must repent.

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A person can't accept Jesus and believe that he died for their sins without repenting.
Charles Duke went to, and walked on, the moon. Years later, he became a Christian. He now gives talks about his time on the moon AND talks about Jesus, who saved him. Jesus gave Charles his testimony.
If you're saying that Charles is a liar, you are saying that you don't believe Jesus.

I am sure that there are non Christians who go to hear Charles and come away, at least challenged by, or believing in, Jesus.
If they were converted, by Jesus, through Charles' testimony but that original testimony had been false, then their conversions would not be valid.

Are you so stubborn that you would say that Charles, other Christian astronauts and anyone who heard about Jesus through them, are lying/making it up, rather than; "yes, he did walk on the moon, what he says is true and he now has a fantastic ministry for God"?

Saying that men did not walk on the moon is not a sin.
Saying that men who walked on the moon, since became Christians and now tell others about Jesus, are lying, is dishonouring God. Which is a sin.

CRAZY_CAT_WOMAN said:

Is the money going to Trump or programs for children and people in need.

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The fight is taking place at Trump's house, why shouldn't he get the money?

BelieveItOarKnot said:

Jesus saves all people
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Condemns all devils to the LoF, forever

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I asked if you a question and you sidestepped once again. That verse does not apply to Satan and his angels. We both know they have already been judged to the Lake of Fire. They are not in the book of life. So that verse does not even refer to them.

BelieveItOarKnot said:

Those who promote our neighbors to burn alive forever are WHO?

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Not me. That's not my belief.

Hans Blaster said:

Someone should reboot Stephen Miller.

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Please don't.

BPPLEE said:

I don't think Biden planned anything during his term

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Then you've even less reaon to draw comparisons.

RamiC said:

I used the word deliberate, I said that I deliberately chose a mainstream mental health based link.

This is me again quoting myself from post no 40 - "What I am saying is there is a shortage of science in the realm of mental health, and if there was not then these clear numbers of errors would not exist. You are entirely correct that the article I linked to is not saying that,"
Not a hint of me misrepresenting there...surely? I said I am saying it....

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At best, it was a strange article to use to make your point. But anyways...

RamiC said:

Now you are saying you did not argue this..."and that it is downright "toxic" to believe that Jesus can help those who suffer." That is what I am saying you did.

In the OP -

"Carl Emerson said:
At the same time, believers have access to the redemption of the soul through the Cross, including healing and deliverance - but not many seem to access this because the modern theology has moved on from these 'archaic beliefs'."

Your post 56 -

"Carl Emerson said:
Personally I think a big part of the problem is that Churches have lost touch with the healing grace available through the Cross and abdicated responsibility for the flock to 'professional services'.

Elders are not seen as the 'go to' source of healing prayer because of poor or little biblical teaching.

Your response to him is "Most of what you’ve written in this thread is nothing more than toxic, over-spiritualized nonsense"

I am under the impression that Carl Emerson would like to see more people recieve Jesus' love, grace and healing from conditions we in the modern world call "mental health problems", and that he is not ashamed to share his own beliefs about what happened to him, as a testimony to Jesus helping with such things. I am also under the impression that you believe what he is doing is toxic, over-spiritualized nonsense.

I am sorry if I have misunderstood, however, that the best I can do to explain what I thought you meant.

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You're leaving out important context. First, there's the suggestion that this is all a big money grab:

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Is anyone else concerned about the rise of 'modern' conditions that grip lives and ensnare them in pharmaceutical dependence at great expense ?

In our country - just to get an official diagnosis for ADHD from a Psychiatrist will cost you around $2000. This is required before you get access to any med's.

Stepping back - this generation is subject to more stress than any other since WW2.

It seems the human condition trying to survive under pressure shuts down as a survival response.

These 'symptoms' are picked up by the medics and bingo another serious source of profit.

At the same time, believers have access to the redemption of the soul through the Cross, including healing and deliverance - but not many seem to access this because the modern theology has moved on from these 'archaic beliefs'.

"Confess your sins to one another and pray for one another that you may be healed" is rarely activated.

Am I the only one concerned about this ?

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Then there's the implication that ADHD has a spiritual cause:

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Yes - is 'real' all right, and Psychiatrists can't identify a cause, they just try to treat the symptoms with med's.

Then again Psychiatrists are not allowed to deal with a spiritual cause, that is why I hear of Christians leaving the profession and becoming counsellors or clinical psychologists so they can deal with spiritual causes when and if they arise.

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Then there's the suggestion that treatment is purely pharmacological:

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Sometimes the root cause of mental health is spiritual - that is why we see Christian Psychiatrists in our country leaving the profession so they can deal with the spiritual cause as Christian Counsellors.
They have concluded they are not dealing with a physical cause.

Controlling symptoms with medication may bring relief, but the primary cause is often left untouched.

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It's not. Therapists don't prescribe medicine at all. You need an MD for that.

On it's own, "You should pray" is fine. When it becomes a problem is when it's paired with the implication that professional medical help is an ineffective scam.

Always in His Presence said:

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I'd have to make 600k+ a year to pay that much in taxes -

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I think you need a new accountant.

Bradskii said:

Then don't draw comparisons to things that are planned.

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I don't think Biden planned anything during his term

bèlla said:

If the parent requests the clergy’s presence or services that’s fine. But if an individual takes it upon themself to address the child without the parent’s knowledge that’s a problem. They’re still a minor.

~bella

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I will go along with what you are saying but for the record, I think that is messed up. If the minor feels that it is wrong (even if the parents don't think it is wrong) and seeks help from someone trained in that field, I don't think it should be denied to the minor. You look at the world as heterosexual and homosexual are two okay lifestyles. From a Christians perspective, we would prefer a minor to be heterosexual or stay single. These days, the societal correct thing that is done is "if you show signs of homosexuality then give that person everything they need to continue in that lifestyle". If that is the case then both sides should be presented to the minor so they can make an informed decision.

Yarddog said:

What keeps a person with ADHD from walking in His purpose?

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Folks can have serious academic ability but struggle to meet deadlines, pass exams, and frustrating them from walking in the God given talents they have been given.

BPPLEE said:

What I meant was it happened under his watch. I know he didn’t plan it.

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Then don't draw comparisons to things that are planned.

Vambram said:

Are you in favor of the FBI investigating lawmakers?

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Yes, so long as they get the proper warrants and subpoenas (just as with any other investigation). No one is above the law.

Vambram said:

Do you believe that the FBI has the authority to investigate the Congress which has over sight authority over them?

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Yes, the FBI has the authority to investigate federal crimes, even if those federal crimes are committed by members of Congress.

Flipping things around, if you don't think the FBI has the authority to do so, who does? Or do you think that being in Congress makes a person immune from investigation?

Apple Sky said:

That's all you've got is a few testimonies.

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And light deflectors on lunar soil. I guess they got there via UPS. Oh wait……

Apple Sky said:

And you can't prove that they did.

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I already did.

Will the fight be covered on live TV or just pay per view?

rambot said:

Do you believe that the FBI has a right to investigate impropriety?

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Do you believe that the FBI has the authority to investigate the Congress which has over sight authority over them?