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Delvianna · 2025-09-15T10:13:59-0500

jas3 said:
You think we wouldn't need God if we just had enough knowledge?

I'm saying people wouldn't look to him as a teacher if he spoon fed us everything and made it super easy and apparent to understand. I mean, people don't even look to him now and accept man-made wisdom. A Shepherd is someone who guides, so why aren't people letting him guide in the most important area of their lives? Scripture.

wing2000 · 2025-09-15T10:12:21-0500

Servus said:
When you distort what someone is saying, you're arguing in bad faith. Not to mention setting up a strawman.

I argued he was not like us.

What is the point of your statement?

Servus said:
Trump is just a flawed flash in the pan human like the rest of us.

boughtwithaprice · 2025-09-15T10:12:04-0500

Delvianna said:
Right! And I literally just said yesterday to someone that I look at the bible like swiss cheese. He doesn't tell us everything, because even if he did, we wouldn't need him then! Our salvation is rooted in a relationship with God. Taking him out of the equation, ruins that relationship. The point of the Holy Spirit was to help guide. USE him then to guide you! This faith in man to constantly tell you what things mean over going to God and asking him for the answer is why the world is the way it is and why its getting worse and why there will be a tribulation period to begin with because if we all got answers from God, the body of Christ would be more whole and be more of a unified front against deception, false teachings and sin.

I want to be clear on your position. You believe that everyone has to find out about God on his or her own, without the benefit of an ecclesiastical structure or Church. Is that correct?

Scripture says we all have different spiritual gifts. How then do we share these gifts if we rely only on what God tells us and not what any other believer says.
Scripture also describes believers as a body of Christ each dependent on the other. How does that work if we each have to rely on what God tells us personally and not on what He has communicated to others?

JosephZ · 2025-09-15T10:08:59-0500

Fervent said:
Not just a warrior, a warlord

Most historians would disagree.

Fervent said:
How could he be the model for all of humanity if he has to be whitewashed through claiming he is a product of historical circumstance?

According to Islamic teachings, Muslims are to emulate Muhammad's character traits like honesty, compassion, and humility and his ethical principles. They don't have to whitewash Muhammad's actions as a warrior, because Muslims understand the historical context in which the Qur'an was written. They see his actions as a warrior to have been appropriate for situations Muslims faced in the 7th century and not as mandates for Muslims to follow in 2025.

Fervent said:
The way he and his compatriots behaved is supposed to be the pinnacle of humanity. What they engaged in is meant to be the gold standard, so claiming thats just how things were historically doesn't wash.

It's important not to dismiss or ignore the historical context and circumstances surrounding the creation of any religious texts. Ignoring the intended audience, cultural norms, and historical events surrounding them will always lead to misinterpretation. I find it odd that someone with a Masters of Divinity like yourself would disregard the importance of historical context, knowing how crucial it is for accurate interpretation of religious texts.

wing2000 · 2025-09-15T10:07:34-0500

Stephen Miller...whispering his sweet nothings into Trump's ear:

Last Thursday morning, less than 24 hours after the shooting, Miller tweeted out a thesis statement. “There is an ideology that has steadily been growing in this country,” he wrote, “which hates everything that is good, righteous and beautiful and celebrates everything that is warped, twisted and depraved.” This ideology has “one unifying thread,” he added: “the insatiable thirst for destruction.”

“It is an ideology that leads, always, inevitably and willfully, to violence,” Miller went on. “The fate of millions depends on the defeat of this wicked ideology.”

It’s Stephen Miller’s Show Now

The most powerful guy in Trump’s ear has a plan for how to respond to the death of Charlie Kirk. You’re not going to like it.

open.substack.com

RocksInMyHead · 2025-09-15T10:07:03-0500

BPPLEE said:
I suspect most of his critics on this forum only know what they've read and heard in their echo chambers about him and have no sense of who he really was or what he did

I point you to post #46. This goes both ways; though, again, regardless of who he "really" was, I cannot bring myself to have any regard for a person who is on record saying the hateful things that Charlie Kirk has said.

RileyG · 2025-09-15T10:05:28-0500

Disgusting! These people should be ashamed of themselves!

RileyG · 2025-09-15T10:05:05-0500

May he rest in peace and rise to glory!

RileyG · 2025-09-15T10:04:45-0500

Yarddog said:
Good to see them do this. I just wish other stations would follow suit with their on air personalities.

Amen!

RileyG · 2025-09-15T10:04:23-0500

Nothing surprises me anymore, unfortunately.

wing2000 · 2025-09-15T10:04:21-0500

Servus said:
Yes, Jesus hung on the cross for all of us, every single last one. And he didn't spend any more or less time on that cross for Donald Trump than he did for you and me.

That he did. He also called on us to confess and sin no more. I'm not sure what that has to do with implying the rest of us are as flawed as Trump. Hey, we're all sinners so let's go sin!

Servus said:
Republicans today love playing clips of Regan's sayings because they so closely align with current Republican ideology. In fact Regan even used the slogan "Make America Great Again"

And those Republicans are simply wrong. Reagan would not be spouting the vindictive and devisive language of Trump.

boughtwithaprice · 2025-09-15T10:03:11-0500

bèlla said:
Bear in mind where you are on the site in relation to your comments. This isn’t the space for catholics or an area for those who hold similar beliefs. You’ve posted your thread in a section that will result in different perspectives. If you prefer others like your own you may want to have it moved.

I do not share your beliefs on apostolic teachings in relation to those who weren’t mentioned in the bible. Nor do I accord them the same importance or validity. I realize others feel differently and hold early church fathers in high esteem or have a passion for patristics.

I didn‘t plead anything or share my perspective in that post. I expounded on the comment made by @Freth.

And as far as I can tell this isn’t a forum for debate.

~bella

From the statement of purpose
We are in the denomination specific theology forum.

The Denomination-Specific Theology (DST) forum is for discussing and debating the specific theological doctrines of a denomination.

Although not strictly Catholic, we can use this as a forum for debate between denominations

RileyG · 2025-09-15T10:02:29-0500

CRAZY_CAT_WOMAN said:
No, Her husband's killer was caught. Before she said evil doers. She's full of hate. A real Godly person, would be hoping, that all people would be saved. And wouldn't be threatening every one, that had nothing to do with her husbands death.

She's been traumatized. How is that full of hate?

She's grieving.

RocksInMyHead · 2025-09-15T10:00:58-0500

ThatRobGuy said:
So is it way he's saying, or the ideas themselves?

Why not both? Again, sanewashing.

iluvatar5150 · 2025-09-15T09:59:59-0500

Servus said:
Trump also said: "I know that everyone here will soon be marching over to the Capitol building to peacefully and patriotically make your voices heard".

Exactly. His fans totally didn't take the most extreme interpretation of his words and go overboard. It's only leftists who do that.

RocksInMyHead · 2025-09-15T09:59:05-0500

Servus said:
Again, there are extremely knowledgeable people who respected young Kirk and admired his level of knowledge.

Okay? Fortunately I have eyes and ears, I don't need to take the word of these supposed "extremely knowledgeable" people on this.

Delvianna · 2025-09-15T09:55:16-0500

bèlla said:
What’s the purpose of having the Holy Spirit if man has all the answers? Is He the Counselor or not?

~bella

Right! And I literally just said yesterday to someone that I look at the bible like swiss cheese. He doesn't tell us everything, because even if he did, we wouldn't need him then! Our salvation is rooted in a relationship with God. Taking him out of the equation, ruins that relationship. The point of the Holy Spirit was to help guide. USE him then to guide you! This faith in man to constantly tell you what things mean over going to God and asking him for the answer is why the world is the way it is and why its getting worse and why there will be a tribulation period to begin with because if we all got answers from God, the body of Christ would be more whole and be more of a unified front against deception, false teachings and sin.

Fisherking · 2025-09-15T09:46:36-0500

Marilyn C said:
Hi Fisherking,

I did answer you regarding Dan. 8: 9 and the 4 Generals of Alexandar. It has to do with Dan. 11: 29 at God`s appointed time, which will be in the trib.

That is not an answer because Dan. 11:21-34 is about Antiochus Epiphanes. I have done an Exegesis where I explain every verse. You can't explain when you have the wrong people and verses sister.

Marilyn C said:
Do you understand what is happening in the EU?

The Death Of Liberté: France's Islamic Future And The Coming Collapse Of Europe

France, once a cradle of Western ideals, is being remade before our eyes. The nation of Charlemagne, Joan of Arc, and de Gaulle is crumbling into something unrecognizable. The steeples of cathedrals no longer define the skyline; minarets rise in their place. Bells grow silent, while the call to prayer echoes through neighborhoods once known for their Christian roots. This is not just demographic drift. It is a civilizational transformation--and it is accelerating.

Already, Muslims comprise about 10% of France's population. By 2050, that figure is expected to reach nearly 17%. That percentage may sound small, but in politics, it is enough to dominate elections and shape national policy. In Paris, Marseille, and Lyon, entire districts have been overtaken by Islamist influence. Police hesitate to enter. French law is mocked. Local councils are controlled by Muslim blocs that prioritize their own religious and political agendas. The France of liberté, égalité, fraternité is becoming a relic, a memory, a Wikipedia entry.

The transformation is most visible in the nation's places of worship. France now has more than 2,500 mosques, with hundreds more being built. Just decades ago, churches stood as the cornerstone of every French village. Today, those same churches are abandoned, sold off, or converted into libraries, restaurants, or apartment blocks. In rural France, some parishes report fewer than ten worshipers on a Sunday morning.

Meanwhile, mosques overflow with tens of thousands of faithful, spilling into the streets for Friday prayers. In some cities, local governments even block roads to accommodate the crowds, granting special privileges never extended to Christians. The message is clear: Islam is not simply present in France; it is ascendant.

And as Islam rises, Jewish life shrinks into the shadows. Antisemitic incidents have exploded, multiplying several times over in just a few short years. Jewish schools have become fortresses, guarded by soldiers with automatic rifles. Holocaust memorials are defaced with pro-Palestinian slogans. Families live behind locked doors, fearful of neighbors who once nodded politely but now spit threats. France's Jewish population--the largest in Europe--is fleeing in droves, seeking refuge in Israel or America. They know what France refuses to admit: the nation is no longer safe for them.

Yet President Emmanuel Macron responds not with courage, but with cowardice. This September, he will take the stage at the United Nations and announce France's recognition of a Palestinian state. He calls it a "principled stand." But it is nothing more than appeasement. Macron bows to a growing Muslim electorate, trading away France's moral spine for short-term political survival. While synagogues sit under guard and Jews pack their bags, France chooses to humiliate Israel--the one democratic ally in the Middle East--and reward its enemies.

This is not just political miscalculation; it is moral rebellion. Scripture warns in Joel 4:2: "I will enter into judgment... because they have scattered My people and divided My land." By turning against Israel, Macron is not protecting France from Islamist rage. He is inviting judgment on a nation already crumbling. Every mosque that rises in place of a church, every concession to radical demands, every betrayal of Israel--these are steps toward France's demise.

Look at the streets of Paris. Children are taught radical Islamist ideas in schools where parents dare not challenge them. Public pools schedule "women-only" swim times to accommodate Islamic modesty codes. In some suburbs, Christmas markets have been replaced by "winter festivals," stripped of Christian symbols for fear of offense. This is not coexistence. It is surrender.

And the world is watching. Europe's future is written in France's present. Berlin, Brussels, London--all stand on the same precipice. If France falls, they will follow. A continent that once carried the light of the Gospel now risks being extinguished under the weight of its own cowardice.

The hour is late, but not yet past saving. France must awaken, reclaim its Christian heritage, defend its Jewish citizens, and stand once more with Israel. Appeasement is not peace--it is suicide. And if France continues down this path, history will remember it not as the champion of liberty, but as the first great nation of the West to fall to Islam.

All this has nothing to do with Prophesy. 150 years ago people laughed at those we stated Israel would be reborn, and the Scientists all stated the Universe had to be eternal. The Big Bang proved God's word true, that the Universe had a beginning, thus it had to have been created. It was, God spoke matter into being which started with a loud noise by His actionable spoken word to go forth.

We can be like our forefathers 150 years ago and stand on the word or look to the world and try to insert our assumptions. They above, which you wrote, is never told unto us anywhere in the bible, you assume he is a Muslim, I assume correctly he can only be an Atheist. Why?

1.) He will serve NO GODS as Dan. 11:36-37 says.

2.) He will kill off False Religion or the Harlot. Is Islam false religion? Yes, so he will have the 10 (E.U.) destroy all religions save Beast worship, that will include the E.U./Anti-Christ coming against Muslims, Hinduism, Buddhism, Witchcraft, Christendom of the Remnant, Judaism et al.

3.) No Muslim nation is powerful enough to do squat. They never have been in the modern world.

4.) The AC and E.U. only conquer a certain area, not the whole world. We se 1/3 of the world is on fire by the Rev. 8 Asteroid, I see that as the New World, that is why the USA is not involved, Satan understands the bible, he knows this is coming, so he will wait until this TAKES OUT the USA before he makes his move. Then the E.U. only conquers what we see in Dan. 11:40-43, countries in between him and Israel, which would be Turkey, Syria, Jordan and Lebanon, and all of Northern Iraq, but can not conquer the Petra and Bozrah region (Moab, Ammon and Edom).

5.) There is trouble out of the East and North........HOW if he has conquered the whole world could he have trouble. And Jesus says he he had not cut the AC's life short (to only 1260 days of rule as the Beast) he would have killed all humans on earth. Meaning Nuclear War, and you do not have wars against those you have conquered already. He has ONE JOB in his mind, to kill every Jew so he can rove God wrong.

Nowhere in the bible is a Muslim horde coming against Israel in the end time. The Gog and Magog War has Russia, leading Turkey and Iran against Israel and God wipes out 5/6 of their Armies, why not all? Because God wants the AC to go forth against Israel and the Mediterranean Sea Region, but he wants Russia to be able to protect herself from this mad man. In the Gog wars not nation with a common border with Israel goes to war against Israel, did you know that? Thus the Abraham Accord was a needed Agreement and that is one main reason Trump was elected in 2016. The E.U. will wipe out all religion in the E.U. and in the Mediterranean Sea Region the conquer, not in Indonesia, India, etc. etc. Muslims will be wiped out in the E.U. and the region he conquers.

essentialsaltes · 2025-09-15T09:45:51-0500

We've been promised more details in the charging document. That should shed some light on what investigators have found.

Kathleen30 · 2025-09-15T09:45:37-0500

Ophiolite said:
So, a genuine request to resolve seeming ambiguities in your statment is greeted with a rude, personal attack. Sad, but duly noted. On reflection, it was probaly your faulty grammar, not the logic - that was consequently absent.

About as rude as your post 9 with your claim of my seemingly absent logic according to you. But for better clarification. Ophiolite do read my post 37 . It is late this part of the world . Good nite

Delvianna · 2025-09-15T09:45:04-0500

boughtwithaprice said:
That is true. My point is how do you follow God’s interpretation? What criteria do we use?

Ask God to Show you
Make sure it doesn't conflict with anything in scripture
Make sure the definition of the words you think you understand when it is translated, actually mean what you think they mean
Make sure it's not taken out of context
Make sure its not rooted in sinful undertones, like pride, self-righteousness, etc.
Make sure it doesn't go against God's nature
Make sure it doesn't go against God's previously established way of doing things (By seeing how he's already addressed issues in the past and his continual actions in doing so)

That's usually how I filter stuff out, which is a good place to start.

HIM · 2025-09-15T09:44:37-0500

The Liturgist said:
So you’re saying that throughout the entire history of Christianity, until now, everyone has gotten it wrong?

So you saying you do not actually have a rebuttal to what was shared other than to say the masses have said therefore they are right?

Hentenza · 2025-09-15T09:43:11-0500

rambot said:
This thread is about the man's race not his political leanings.

Did you notice that in the op?

Still trying to figure out what this has to do with anything. Why is the left so fixated on white males?

fhansen · 2025-09-15T09:40:12-0500

Clare73 said:
An integrated understanding of the OT shows otherwise (Ge 15:6), as does the NT (Ro 4:3, 20-24, Gal 3:6).

Belief in the promise (Ge 15:5, Seed, Jesus Christ, Gal 3:16) was counted as belief in Christ which saves (Ge 15:6).

Salvation has been by faith in Jesus Christ, the Seed, since Abraham.

More speculative than integrated here, IMO. Abraham didn't know his seed, only that there would be one, and many, as is also indicated in Gen 15. This is echoed in Abraham's blind trust in the promised land.
"By faith Abraham, when called to go to a place he would later receive as his inheritance, obeyed and went, even though he did not know where he was going." Heb 11:8

He didn't need to know how it would all be worked out; he simply trusted God, and that belief was counted as righteousness. That belief in God is just and results in justice/righteousness in ourselves and therefore in our world. Again, it's what Adam lacked, followed by faith's compadres: hope and love. That would've excluded Adam's sin, his disobedience, and we're here to have those virtues, that righteousness, begun and cultivated within us now.

When we see Jesus, we know and see a God worth believing in. Abraham was one of few who already knew and trusted God well before Jesus came-and only in that sense did he know Jesus even if not by name, since Jesus is God. And that's why Abraham is a model of our faith.

prodromos · 2025-09-15T09:37:47-0500

rambot said:
Yeah. Race was ABSOLUTELY an issue for some with Obama

That wasn't about race, it was about legitimate citizenship.

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