SabbathBlessings said:

Paul was repeating Old Testament, not writing something new. It is written means he was quoting from OT Scripture which the reference was provided.

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You can justify your incorrect argument to yourself but sticking your head in the sand does not charge the facts.

SabbathBlessings said:

However, one came to the conclusion that faith means not doing what God asks is beyond me. Obedience to God is bad disobedience is good, sounds like similar doctrine that deceived out first parents. Definitely not something that comes from our Bibles, nor what Paul taught Rom 3:31 1Cor7:19. In the Bible that is called sin, rebellion, and unbelief. Heb 3:7-19 which sadly leaves someone on the wrong path Heb 10:26-30

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Job 33:6 said:

"One of the key terms noted above is "nested hierarchies". That's where the evidence is. It's the subject that James Tour has no response for. This is why he is understood among scientists as being either ignorant or dishonest.

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Where in your "nested hierarchies" do you place the platypus?

We would expect commonalities to occur in many body plans. The problem evos have is leaping from imperfect evidence to boldly claim proof of common decent rather than the humbler claim of "may suggest" common descent.

Job 33:6 said:

And by extension, if you want to support Tour's position, you would have to provide an alternative explanation for nested hierarchies of genetics. Otherwise, scientists won't care about whatever alternative theory it is that you personally believe in.

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I have one but you don't have the necessary cards to affirm it. You willingly blind yourself to he most parsimonious explanation because you "personally believe" in the tree of life.

Smeadly said:

A government can be benevolent without Christianity, but my point isn’t about its capacity for kindness—it’s about the moral authority it cites when acting. If the state invokes Christian benevolence to justify policies, it’s already grounding its legitimacy in a theological framework. Once that door is opened, it can’t selectively ignore the rest of that moral system, such as biblical standards of justice, responsibility, and morality.

If, on the other hand, the government is acting from purely secular ethics, then Christian benevolence isn’t a valid argument in the first place. You can’t claim both divine moral credit and moral independence simultaneously.

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The only moral authority for a government to cite is that which society has given it.

Documents Allege a Federal Agent at Portland ICE Threatened to Shoot an Ambulance Driver

Feds delayed medics who had come to pick up an injured protester. Then, according to confidential incident reports, the agents became aggressive.

Strong in Him said:

Nope - they're not my buddies and I'm not deceiving anyone.

I said that when he got to the moon, Neil Armstrong read from Genesis 1.

You replied:

All of that agrees with my statement that Genesis was read "they only read this and stopped before they got to this".
The context was "Genesis was read from the moon". So it's not unreasonable to suggest that if you agree that Genesis was read, then you also agree it was read from the moon.

If you only agreed with part of my statement; if you were saying yes, Genesis was read but it wasn't when they got to the moon it was while they were sitting in a fake rocket - you should have said so.

No problem.
If you are going to persist with the judgement that I am deceiving people when you haven't understood what I wrote, I probably won't want to talk to you either.

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You are going to be in good company. He doesn’t talk to me either.

Natural justice, in philosophical and legal terms, generally does not decree that individuals must practice benevolence unless they choose to, but rather emphasizes fair procedures and impartiality in decision-making processes. Its core principles involve giving individuals a fair opportunity to be heard and ensuring that no one judges their own case—these are procedural guarantees rather than moral mandates for voluntary benevolence.

From a moral perspective, natural justice is about maintaining fairness and avoiding arbitrary actions, but it does not inherently prescribe that individuals are required to act benevolently outside the legal process. It recognizes that moral virtue, like benevolence, is a personal virtue, not a legal obligation dictated by natural justice itself.

Legally, the state can coerce participation in certain welfare or redistribution programs through laws and enforcement—what could be called “guns of legal intimidation”—but that is a matter of positive law and state authority, rather than a reflection of natural justice or inherent moral order. Natural justice in itself does not decree that benevolence must be practiced, only that decisions affecting individuals be made fairly and impartially.

SabbathBlessings said:

What is the curse of the law that Paul is speaking about

Gal 3:10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse; for it is written, “Cursed is everyone who does not continue in all things which are written in the book of the law, to do them.”

Deut 30:15 “See, I have set before you today life and good, death and evil, 16 in that I command you today to love the Lord your God, to walk in His ways, and to keep His commandments, His statutes, and His judgments, that you may live and multiply; and the Lord your God will bless you in the land which you go to possess. 17 But if your heart turns away so that you do not hear, and are drawn away, and worship other gods and serve them, 18 I announce to you today that you shall surely perish; you shall not prolong your days in the land which you cross over the Jordan to go in and possess. 19 I call heaven and earth as witnesses today against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing; therefore choose life, that both you and your descendants may live; 20 that you may love the Lord your God, that you may obey His voice, and that you may cling to Him, for He is your life and the length of your days; and that you may dwell in the land which the Lord swore to your fathers, to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, to give them.”


The curse is not continuing in obedience to God's commandments, which He relates as worshipping others gods. Paul speaks of this as well in Rom6:16

Jesus by His blood took the curse for us- the wages of sin is death, but does that mean we can now worship other gods, vain His holy name, bow to false images, break His holy Sabbath day. If we can continue in sin, Jesus needed not to die. Why Paul tells us to die of sin, not live in it. Those who do remains no more sacrifice Heb 10:26-30

Paul asks why those in Christ would want to continue in sin any longer Rom6:2 look what it did to Jesus at the Cross, why would anyone who loves Jesus want to continue down that path. Exo 20:6 John 14:15 1 John5:3

The blessings and curses are still there, we still can choose who we serve, which is reflected by who we obey Rom6:16

Like Joshua said:

Jos 24:15 And if it seems evil to you to serve the Lord, choose for yourselves this day whom you will serve, whether the gods which your fathers served that were on the other side of [a]the River, or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land you dwell. But as for me and my house, we will serve the Lord.”

When we are not keeping the first 4 commandments of God's Testimony by default we are worshipping another god, why Jesus said in vain they worship Me, laying aside the commandments of God- quoting from the Ten Mark7:7-13 Mat 15:3-14


Our decisions will determine which path we are on and what we hear at His Second Coming. We still have choices between blessing and curses.


Revelation 22:14 Blessed are those who do His commandments, that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter through the gates into the city.

What law?


15 But outside are dogs and sorcerers (Breaking commandment #1 Exodus 20:3) and sexually immoral (breaking commandment #7 Exodus 20:14) and murderers (breaking commandment #6 Exodus 20:13) and idolaters (breaking commandment #2 Exodus 20:4-6), and whoever loves and practices a lie (breaking # 9 Exodus 20:16 or any of the commandments 1 John 2:4) Breaking one we break them all James 2:11-12 Exo 20:1-17 .

The whole Bible is about the testimony of God through His prophets and disciples. But yet when it comes to God's own personally written and spoken Testimony Exo 31:18 few believe.

Jesus is God.

John 12:48 He who rejects Me, and does not receive My words, has that which judges him— the word that I have spoken will judge him in the last day.

Why we see the ark of the covenant which holds God's Testimony revealed at the last trumpet before He returns Rev 11:18-19 Rev 15:5

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This is nonsense. Here are the verses.

“For all who are of works of the Law are under a curse; for it is written: “Cursed is everyone who does not abide by all the things written in the book of the Law, to do them.” Now, that no one is justified by the Law before God is evident; for, “the righteous one will live by faith.” However, the Law is not of faith; on the contrary, “The person who performs them will live by them.” Christ redeemed us from the curse of the Law, having become a curse for us—for it is written: “Cursed is everyone who hangs on a tree”— in order that in Christ Jesus the blessing of Abraham would come to the Gentiles, so that we would receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.”
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The Greek word for curse is:
Strong’s Definitions
κατάρα katára, kat-ar'-ah; from G2596(intensive) and G685; imprecation, execration:—curse(-d, ing).

Imprecation means:

1. noun
   the act of calling down a curse that invokes evil (and usually serves as an insult)
   “he suffered the imprecations of the mob”
   synonyms:malediction
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2. noun
   a slanderous accusation

Execration means:

1. noun
   hate coupled with disgust
   synonyms:abhorrence, abomination, detestation, loathing, odium
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2. noun
   an appeal to some supernatural power to inflict evil on someone or some group
   synonyms:condemnation, curse
   see more
3. noun
   the object of cursing or detestation; that which is execrated

The is quite the strong word that Paul uses here. Not to mention the fact that Paul even tells us that Christ REDEEMED the Christian from the curse of the law. As I asked others with no response yet, why would Jesus have to redeem the Christian from the curse of the law only to make the law necessary in the life of the Christian? Do you really not see the nonsense conclusion of your argument?

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Nope - they're not my buddies and I'm not deceiving anyone.

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Yes. God's word was read from the moon - you've even just confirmed it.

A pitiful attempt at trying to make it sound like i said they were on the moon.

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I said that when he got to the moon, Neil Armstrong read from Genesis 1.

You replied:

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That was just a stunt ............................


This is all they read ..................


But stopped before they came to this part of Genesis .............

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All of that agrees with my statement that Genesis was read "they only read this and stopped before they got to this".
The context was "Genesis was read from the moon". So it's not unreasonable to suggest that if you agree that Genesis was read, then you also agree it was read from the moon.

If you only agreed with part of my statement; if you were saying yes, Genesis was read but it wasn't when they got to the moon it was while they were sitting in a fake rocket - you should have said so.

d taylor said:

Well i tell you what you pull this junk with me again and you will be someone i will have nothing to do with. No matter how many times you quote post of mine.​

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No problem.
If you are going to persist with the judgement that I am deceiving people when you haven't understood what I wrote, I probably won't want to talk to you either.

Benaiah468 said:

In their latest post, they declared the death of Palestinian internet star Saleh al-Jafarawi, known as ‘Mr. FAFO’, a ‘martyrdom operation.’ He was killed in fighting between Hamas and the Doghmoush militia, two rival armed groups vying for control and money sources in Gaza.

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For weeks, sources in Gaza have been reporting serious clashes between Hamas security forces and armed family groups.

He was the digital poster boy for a deadly ideology, now he lies dead in the streets of Gaza City.

The man who presented himself on social media as a ‘reporter of the resistance’ and blurred the lines between journalism, propaganda and self-promotion died by the same violence he had glorified for years.

Aljafarawi was not a neutral observer, but a digital fighter in the service of a terrorist organisation. His videos from the ruins of Gaza, in which he presented himself as a ‘survivor,’ were carefully composed stagings. Time and again, he suddenly reappeared after allegedly deadly attacks, from his hospital bed, his head bandaged, smiling at the camera. Millions watched his clips, believed his stories, shared his messages. For many Western viewers, he became a symbol of the ‘suffering in Gaza.’ For Hamas, he was a weapon in the information war.

Gaza is sinking into internal "Palestinian" violence, and the death of the Hamas influencer marks a new stage of decay.

Saleh Aljafarawi knew how to turn the war into a stage. He posed with children amid the ruins, wearing a ‘PRESS’ vest and the smile of someone who appeared to be fearless. His message was simple: we are the victims, Israel is the perpetrator. But this portrayal was as manipulative as it was transparent. Behind each of his appearances was the goal of morally discrediting Israel and obscuring Hamas' role as the perpetrator.

The fact that he himself has now been killed by Palestinians finally destroys the façade. It is the image of a system collapsing in on itself, an organisation that can offer neither protection nor loyalty, not even to its own propagandists.

For Israel and the international community, the death of ‘Mr FAFO’ remains a symbol: Hamas' violence has no direction, no moral framework and no goal other than self-preservation. The people who serve it are devoured by it. And while the organisation continues to paint a picture of ‘just resistance’, its tools and faces lie in the dust, shot, forgotten, exposed.

Larniavc said:

False premise. A government can be benevolent absent any Christianity.

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A government can be benevolent without Christianity, but my point isn’t about its capacity for kindness—it’s about the moral authority it cites when acting. If the state invokes Christian benevolence to justify policies, it’s already grounding its legitimacy in a theological framework. Once that door is opened, it can’t selectively ignore the rest of that moral system, such as biblical standards of justice, responsibility, and morality.

If, on the other hand, the government is acting from purely secular ethics, then Christian benevolence isn’t a valid argument in the first place. You can’t claim both divine moral credit and moral independence simultaneously.

I'm prepping for a first: a PCUSA (Presbyterian Church) called me recently and discussed having me come to do some services for them. Their pastor rather suddenly quit several weeks ago after his adult son committed suicide. Then the local presbytery came in and didn't really have much support to offer the congregation. But their organist knew of me from one of the Lutheran churches I go to. So she told them something like, "There's this pastor guy who does services for a bunch of different churches and he's pretty good and he's local." I talked to one of their elders on the session and we agreed I will not do any communion services (1st Sunday of the month) but the average Sunday service is not really far off from Antecommunion.

I'm quite excited because this church actually has a whole bunch of kids. They told me the ASA is 25 adults and 17 kids. They are right near the district line so a few may go to school with my daughters but most go to the bigger city school district nearby. It's a curious phenomenon of a low income neighborhood where the parents drop the kids off for basically free childcare of a Sunday morning but don't come to church themselves. So much potential here.

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I only said 'probably'. To me they can only go up about 200 to 300 miles before hitting the firmament.

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Yes, spacex flight 11 was suborbital. But you still did not addressed my comment about Artemis 1. Here it is again.

But Artemis 1 made it all the way to the moon.

Bad news for Miss Letita Jamews.

Servus said:

The Democrats are still continuing to bury themselves.

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Then they really have nothing left to lose by keeping this going.

FAITH-IN-HIM said:

If a ceasefire or steps toward peace aren't celebrated, perhaps the IDF could resume fighting.

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That just gives it away right there. The war is only over only because Israel wants it to be right now. They could have done this anytime over the past two years.

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Critics of Israel seem perpetually dissatisfied, even when peace is possible, which may explain why Israel often ignores them.

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You don’t get praise for ending the war that was at your discretion the entire time. Next we’ll be praising Putin for stopping his missiles from raining down on Ukraine.

Our days start before 7am where we go for breakfast before making a 1 mile walk to Be Well.
We usually make the trip in less than 20 minutes and with the students we have a short devotional and sermon before the students begin their classes for the day.
We have had opportunities to share with several of the students and we find them to be inspiring in their search for truth, meaning and following their calling in serving in the Lord's work.
One of them left his plans on becoming a doctor to serve as God would have him do. Another is doing the same, and he helps by playing the guitar and singing during devotionals. I've been giving him guitar lessons and sharing things with him.
I feel inspired because it reminds me of my early days in the church so many years ago.

stevevw said:

As far as I understand on this particular measure which is from the UnChartedX site is in both guage sensor and CT scanning from memory. Its in 3d as its talking about cyclinricity on the opening to determine axis B which is the horizontal center line of that cyclinder down the vase.

So the specific widest point on the vase that number is measuring for concentricity is based on a 3D reference point which is axis B the center line of the cyclinder running down the vase.

The vases tested at Petrie museum are from Petries digs in the late 19th and early 20th century. Most vases would be from Petries digs as he was the pioneer and has whole museums full of stuff.

Thats why it takes time to ensure everything is done properly. They started testing vases and came up against the providence issue and then Karoly began to test vases at museums with good providence only this year. So more needs doing. But so far very interesting results.

Yeah I would expect all areas need to be consulted. But as mentioned the aim is to test vases which have already been verified by archeologists like at museums.

Why. What I mean by formal is that if you notice the tests and analysis is written like a paper with method, results, discussion and conclusion. Proper tests are done and the process is explained. All the steps are laid out that will support the conclusion so that people can read it and check it.

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Apart from Max, where are the witten papers by Karoly, the Artifact Foundation and Chris Dunn?

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Its sort of on the level of a scientific paper that is submitted to peer review. Except its just not being submitted to peer review if you know what I mean. Rather than on a social media site where you don't have to follow that rigor and formality.

I don't know. Thats why I keep going back to the conclusions and summaries. They explicitly state that the findings show the precision in some vases to be on par with modern machining and lathing. I must have said this 10 times now. REgardless of all these objections they still clearly contradict the claim that these vases are not on par with modern machined vases on some sort of lathe.

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They all, every independent research group all say this. Like I asked other posters. Are they lying, or misrepresenting the data. Or just so dumb that they don't see these obvious mistakes.

Are these deviations so big that these researchers are just blind that they cannot see what you see. This is what it comes down to. Your and other peoples opinion as opposed to these researchers.

OK fair enough. Then perhaps we should dedicate as much time on scrutinising those making analysis on this thread to the same level as what has been thrust upon the researchers. Questioning their credibility, wanting to know every detail about their qualifications and questions their qualifications as to whether they are most suitable for the testing. I don;t see any consistency here.

See this is a prime example of the inconsistency applied by skeptics. You and I know to what extent skeptics have been subjecting these researchers to. I can go back and show you if you want. But all sorts of demeaning names and questioning every little thing. I don't see that level of scrutiny on those objecting like yourself.

No one has hounded you for every qualification and then questioning whether you have the expertise. You don't question others on this thread to that level when they make their little claims and analysis. You just accept them as credible without asking to see their credentials. This reflects the inconsistency and bias.

I think this is dishonest. To begin with the researchers article is done like a peer reviewed paper with the abstract, method, analysis, discussion and conclusion. Thats the formal way scientfific articles are done. I don't see any of that on this thread. Or are you now lowering the bar on this thread and allowing parts there of as equivelant.

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Apart from Max, where are the witten papers by Karoly, the Artifact Foundation and Chris Dunn? I like Max's papers, I just feel that they would be better if they would go through peer-review. How big a problem is the lack of provenance? Why did he use that particular quality metric? Are there others? Why is no of the Petrie vases from his analysis in the precise class? When others sort them into their precise class (why is there a difference?).

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They simply don't even look the same or have anywhere near as much info. Surely your not saying the complaints about one part of one a specific measure represents the entire article and testing of the whole vase. Where is this 3 or 4 page article with all these steps lol.

The point is I can say "it is a fallacy" just like you have your opinion. If you can say it without qualification then so can I and it can keep on going. If you say that remarks on this social media are good enough and are equivelant to a 5 or 10 page formal test and analysis. Then anyone can say anything and it counts as a formal scientific article. Its a crazy way to do acience.

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Sure, keep saying it if you feel like it. I'm not saying what we do here is science, I'm saying that neither Karoly, Max, the Artifact Foundation, Chris Dunn or we are doing science right now. We are all just discussing the data they have put on the table.

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But what you don't realise in saying that their expertise has not been shown. I can just say your expertise has not been shown for you to make such a complaint lol. I can say I don't trust your credentials. If this social media site is equivelant to a formal science article then we can say anything and its classed as science.

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I'm not saying what we do here is science, I'm saying that neither Karoly, Max, the Artifact Foundation, Chris Dunn or we are doing science right now. We are all just discussing the data they have put on the table. I want peer review for it to be science, what is so hard to understand about that?

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Wow, thats all I am saying but its like its the hardest thing for some to admit. Just to admit these vases are out of the ordinary for that time. You have added that perhaps a wheel or lathe was around 1,000 years before the orthodox story tells us.

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Without good provenance we don't even know if the data is relevant.

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Thats better than pretending that these vases don't exist. But it does acknowledge how we have to somehow adjust things ie either they are fakes, the measures are wrong or the tech must have been there earlier than we think.

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Only if they are correctly measured and the provenance is good.

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Which all supports what I have been saying all along. Which was that simple these vases are out of place artifacts. It may be they are fakes, or that the tech was there earlier than we thought. But please don't pretend the question and mystery does not exist one way or another.

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Or the methodologies are not the best, there are many possibilities. The provenance question for the precise class is a big unknown, at least as Max uses the precise class.

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You have come closest because you at least acknowledge that they exist and come from that time and that they are at least precise enough to have required a wheel which is like a lathe.

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I've never said they require it. I think Olga vases could be good enough if you had literally thousands of vasemakers making vases for most of their lives.

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Of note I pointed out that these engineers are also specialists in precision tooling up to the aerospace precision. Dunn in particular over 50 years in machining, tool making from the basic laths of the 60s to modern CNC for NASA. So they know metrology as that is a key part in tolerances.

Do you honestly think a expert precision tool maker could not do both the measurements and the scientific study of measurements as part of the same expertise in making precision tools. In fact Dunn makes the machines that make the precision tools.

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It's not a question of if he could, has he done any research in metrology? This is normally the part where you point out his articles.

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I only mentioned that as it sounds cool. But Max does all sorts of scanning and testing. Thats what he specialises in. Half thee reason he is doing the vases is because he already has an equipped lab. Why would he have the equipment and not know how to use it lol.

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That is not supported by his scientific output.

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I would say Christ Dunn, Alex Dunn, Nick Sierra and Chris Knight have the most expertise being machinists and precision tool makers. Petrie was a machinist and archeologists. But when it comes to precision its a machinist and precision tooling. The best as far as practical experience would be a Stone mason and any Stone mason will tell you that these vases could not be done by hand.

Then why have not you questions others on this thread about their credentials as much as you have these researchers.

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Because they are not arguing that their objections are the final word. They are highlighting what they see as problems, then the researchers should go back and do some additional analysis. This is what happens in peer-review but since they never publish in any journals it remains just conjecture.

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Actually they speculate and they are never specific. They have too as the evidence shows these vases were lathed. But the fact is its orthodoxy that the potters wheel and bore stick type lathe did not come in until the old kingdom around 2600BC. A 1,000 years before these vases.

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Given that we don't even know the provenance of any vase in Max's precise class (which is populated only by vases from Matt Bealls collection, Precision and Classification of Predynastic Egyptian Stone Vessels: REVISED), I think that it is premature to invoke machining on par with modern machining to explain anything (this is a statement about my opinion).

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But its also that even if we try and force fit that some sort of lath was around. It would be such a basic one that would not be stable and have tight tolerances. So either way these vases exceed the tech available.

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Do you have a reference for that? This isn't a normal scientific statement, "they look to good therefore it must be unknown method X". Find the tool that match those toolmarks, then you can make a statement like "it's probable that these marks where made with this tool". Hence, why I think they should be out doing digs.

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But I keep saying your seeing these vases in isolation. When you understand that there are many examples of advanced tech and knowledge across a variety of works you begin to sort of expect this and not try to deny it. It forms a worldwide pattern that makes too strong a case.

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Every instance of advanced tech and knowledge will need to go through the same tedious process with editors and peer review for me to take it serious, I'm sorry that's just the modern scientific process. You can't build a holistic argument if you haven't first shown that the parts are relevant.

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Yet you make claims like you an expert and don't subject yourself to the same scrutiny. You just questioned that the researchers were not qualified enough. But neither are you to make the determination.

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I'm not an expert and any data I have highlighted have come from the researcher themselves.

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The point is you can write in and dispute the findings. Thats how its designed. To be able to down load the files and do it yourself and either find fault or find new discoveries in the works like Unsigned.io did with the geometry.

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Whilst highlighting that they don't believe the OG vase in its current form to be from ancient Egypt.

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At least its got a site and base to collect and compare.

Ok and I agree that its not just peer review but more tests of more vases in museums. More repeated tests of the same vases by the same method and by independent testers. THis is ongoing and the testers admit this. But the findings so far are interesting.

Well thats officially as there have been may 10 plus. A few single tests such as the OG has been done around 6 times or more. A couple of vases replicated by modern CNC and compared, and a lot of guage testing as this is easy. But more museum tests are needed.

Yes I just mentioned that. Like I said its relatively new and more of a data base is needed.

I don't think you realise. For example when you say "I don't believe that measure means what is normally used in 3D tolerance specifications more than in name" or No, I view the analysis that have been presented in this thread as on par with what is presented by the Artifact Foundation and Max.

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These are statements about ME and my opinions, you do realise I have first-person access to my own thought processes?

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Just these two and theres more just in this post but also in others are making a unsupported claim as well as one that needs qualification as to what expertise you have to know these things. You may have this but you have never qualified this and just assumed it holds enough factual weight to stand on its own.

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So what is it in those two statements that you mean I need to support?

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Especially the first one which would require some step by step explanation and context. Put it this way I am suspect of your expertise just by the fact you say you "don't believe". So this is clearly an unqualified claim.

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It's a claim about me! I didn't say "They are using circularity in a non-standard way". Even though I think I can argue that point if you would like? The normal way to report circularity according to ISO 1101 (see below) is different than what they do. So to use the term circularity in their case is (slightly) misleading. So a quality measure dependent on circularity and concentricity is a bit unfortunate, as circularity sounds like it is one thing but they actually mean something else.

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So imagine all the others from other posters where they have made claims or objected and never gave any qualification of their expertise.

Yet as a total I think we have spent half this last part of the thread on scrutinising the researchers. While accepting out of hand the qualifications and expertise of the objecters.

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Stop, making it sound as the researchers are victims in this. If they wanted to they could have published their findings in an appropriate journal. They want this kind of attention, that why they present it as they do.

DaisyDay said:

Watchdog group seeks probe of Comey, Letitia James cases

Former federal ethics officials are asking the Justice Department's watchdog to look into the prosecutions of James Comey and Letitia James, which they called a "turning point in our democracy."

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They sent their request Tuesday to Acting Justice Department Inspector General William Blier, writing, "Ms. Halligan pursued these indictments to fulfill President Donald J. Trump's longstanding personal vendetta against Mr. Comey and Ms. James, we are facing a turning point in our democracy and some of the most egregious examples of vindictive and meritless prosecution that our nation has ever seen."​

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The letter was written by leaders of the Democracy Defenders Fund, a Washington-based nonpartisan group that has frequently been critical of the Trump administration.​

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...Their letter also said, "A president should never order prosecutions of his enemies. That happens in Putin's Russia, and it has happened in other dictatorships, but not here–until now."​

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...Ms. Halligan's prosecution of Letitia James on two counts of 'bank fraud' and a 'false statement' appears to be a further attempt to fulfill President Trump's personal vendetta against his political enemies."​

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"Trump's animus against Ms. James stems from having successfully brought a years-long civil fraud case against the Trump Organization, which included judgments against President Trump and two of his sons and imposed a court monitor with limits on their ability to conduct business in New York," the fund's letter continued.​

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Letitia James' job is to investigate broken laws and to prosecute the law breakers; Trump's job is to govern not to prosecute nor to direct prosecutions. I do remember one of Trump's most popular campaign rally cries was "Lock her up! Lock her up!" with "her" being Hillary Clinton the first time round and Kamala Harris the third time round.

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Pure hypocrisy.

johansen said:

In a repeat of her past experience, her lawsuit alleges, staff members told her they could not provide the care she sought due to the fetal heartbeat. She was able to access care at another hospital, her complaint says, but experienced sepsis and heavy blood loss in the process.

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We don't know what care the Catholic hospital offered but she claims "they could not provide the care she sought due to the fetal heartbeat". If the care she sought was a direct abortion of her living child then of course the Catholic hospital guidelines forbid that act.

If the non-Catholic hospital preformed a direct abortion then blood loss is to be expected and perhaps subsequent sepsis as well.

FAITH-IN-HIM said:

Another leader who understands the challenges of brokering peace congratulates President Trump.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/biden-welcomes-return-of-hostages-ceasefire-deal-i-commend-president-trump-and-his-team/

“I am deeply grateful and relieved that this day has come – for the last living 20 hostages who have been through unimaginable hell and are finally reunited with their families and loved ones, and for the civilians in Gaza who have experienced immeasurable loss and will finally get the chance to rebuild their lives,” writes Biden.

“The road to this deal was not easy. My Administration worked relentlessly to bring hostages home, get relief to Palestinian civilians and end the war. I commend President Trump and his team for their work to get a renewed ceasefire deal over the finish line,” writes Biden.

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Dems tripping over themselves to congratulate a man who would not be doing the same for them.

What exactly did Trump do that deserves so much praise, besides wait for his friend to call off the war and alley-oop a quick win over to him?

bèlla said:

Why are you debating this with me?

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Because you've been mischaracterizing my posts and arguing with me about them.

bèlla said:

I’m not bothered by the video or skeptical either. You’re welcome to your feelings but I‘m not concerned. At any rate I make content myself and it isn’t difficult to find out things if needed.

~bella

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Good for you, I guess? My point still stands though.

Hentenza said:

lol at least you are conceding that there IS a space beyond earth.

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I only said 'probably'. To me they can only go up about 200 to 300 miles before hitting the firmament.

Larniavc said:

Even when those consequences abrogate Constitutional rights?

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In this case they don’t.

rjs330 said:

Rebellion doesn't have to just be about overthrowing the entire government.

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In a literal definition, sure. But in a legal sense, that's a necessary part - otherwise we'd be dropping the full force of the US military on every teenager.

rjs330 said:

I was clear about what I was talking about.

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As was I. The core of what you said is that ICE can't do everything that it wants to do. That doesn't mean that they're prevented from enforcing the law though.

Larniavc said:

It makes no sense to YOU. But to some people it makes perfect sense.

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And thay makes no sense.

Larniavc said:

Given the immensity of human experience no one person is the arbiter of ‘what makes sense’. It’s a subjective statement.

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In this case its objectively nonsensical.