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Strong in Him · 2025-10-09T03:29:11-0500

keras said:
Sins are only forgiven for those who truly repent and change their ways.
If they sin again, God may not forgive again.

But he does, 1 John 1:9.
Jesus told us to forgive 70x7. It would be hypocritical of him to demand that we do something which he wasn't prepared/able to do himself.

keras said:
Persecution and tribulations are ongoing. The Day of the Lords fiery wrath is a once only event.

You don't seem to understand that it is your interpretation that links 1 Peter 4:12 to "the day of the Lord" - which, by the way, is an OT concept.

keras said:
I have warned many times about this, now very soon to happen; sudden and shocking worldwide disaster,

It's your interpretation only that it will happen soon.
You've been wrong once already.

keras said:
but people seem unable to comprehend it.

The OT "day of the Lord" is not the same as the NT teaching about Jesus' return.

In the OT, The Day of the Lord was an event where God would act, punish all of Israel's enemies with fire and reward Israel, who were God's people. The Messiah would come, bringing the Kingdom of God.
Christians believe, and teach, that the Messiah has already come, that the Kingdom of God is here, now - though not fully. Jesus will return one day as King, definitely. But it may not be in the way that the Jews would have expected.

I am quite sure that people understand that Jesus will return - they no doubt disagree with your interpretation of when/how that will happen.

keras said:
Only in a Spiritual way.

What did you think I meant?
God is Spirit.

keras said:
Romans 9:24-27 does tell us where the faithful children of God will live. In the very same place as ancient Israe was exiled from. Hosea 1:10-11

But I didn't mention that.
I quoted verses to show that we are God's children if we believe in Jesus. We have this now; it's not something that happens in the future after we die.
You then started talking about where God's children will live - which is not relevant to what I said.

keras said:
If you wish to continue this conversation, do not make stupid remarks.

That remark was a comment on what you said.
If God blots people's names out of the book of life when they sin how do you account for the fact that David sinned, but repented and was called a man after God's own heart? He sinned more than once.
If God blots people's names out of the book of life when they sin, Peter's name mustn't be in there - unless God wrote it in again afterwards, then blotted it out again when Peter was accused of hypocrisy.
If a Christian has their name removed from the Book of Life the first time that they sin after conversion, none of us would be here. It would also have been wrong of Jesus to tell us to forgive 70 x 7. Why should we, if God himself is unable to?

JohnClay · 2025-10-09T03:10:54-0500

Genesis just talks about Adam and Eve facing death as a punishment for their sin. I was wondering what would have happened after that? Would they be resurrected and judged by Jesus? If they are saved I wonder what about Cain? Thanks.

timechangers · 2025-10-09T03:08:23-0500

Delvianna said:
I understand what you mean. I don't have anyone to bible study with either really because people aren't interested. They watch youtube sermons and they act like they're well versed in scripture and when you correct them, they get bent out of shape about it. It's hard to always be the one reaching out, or interested in others and without that return, it makes you want to walk away. But listen, don't chase after people who are clearly not interested. You are well within your right to not burn yourself out on others and not get poured into too. You can't pour out to them from an empty glass. Do what you can, but also cut yourself some slack. Reach out, be there for them as we are called to be, but only when you feel you are emotionally able to and in the mean time, pray that God sends you someone that you can connect with on a spiritual level also.

Have you tried other churches in your area? Maybe you might meet someone somewhere else.

I live in a small town of around 1,000 people and I go to the same church that I was born into as a baby. If I left it would be really hard. My wife and kids go to the church also. I will pray for the Lord to send someone in my life that wants to have Bible study with me. I need to maybe just focus on going to church to worship and that way when people seem to look through me without saying or asking anything about me it won't bother me as much.

Delvianna said:
I understand what you mean. I don't have anyone to bible study with either really because people aren't interested. They watch youtube sermons and they act like they're well versed in scripture and when you correct them, they get bent out of shape about it. It's hard to always be the one reaching out, or interested in others and without that return, it makes you want to walk away. But listen, don't chase after people who are clearly not interested. You are well within your right to not burn yourself out on others and not get poured into too. You can't pour out to them from an empty glass. Do what you can, but also cut yourself some slack. Reach out, be there for them as we are called to be, but only when you feel you are emotionally able to and in the mean time, pray that God sends you someone that you can connect with on a spiritual level also.

Have you tried other churches in your area? Maybe you might meet someone somewhere else.

I haven't tried other churches since it is the same church I have attended my whole 51 years of my life. It is a small town of about 1,000 people. My wife and kids attend the church also and I would feel bad pulling my kids from junior high/high school Sunday school. I appreciate your thoughts. I think moving forward I will lower my expectations. I will not expect people to pray for me or follow up with me on personal things. I will show love but focus more on worship than on friendships. I will pray for someone who will want to pray for me and have Bible study with me(that could be from another church or online). Thanks for replying to my thread. I greatly appreciate that.

Aristarkos · 2025-10-09T03:03:12-0500

Dan Perez said:
And you never read Rom 16:25. and 26 and you make me. AGOG. !!

Of course I read it, but I also read Phil. 1:10, did you? I know it's easy to believe that everything is the same, but it isn't.

I know the mystery in Rom. 16:25, 26 is denied by almost everyone, but what is it actually about? It can't be about the mystery hidden in God of Col. 1:26 which says "the mystery which hath been hid from ages and from generations, but now (Greek nuni which means just now or as of this moment) is made manifest to his saints". Rom. 16:25 says "... and by the scriptures of the prophets ...", so it was in the Scriptures but under a veil, the mystery of Col. 1:26 was hidden in God, nowhere to be found in Scripture until Paul received it's revelation.

When you read Romans it goes in chapter 5 back to the sin of Adam, it puts Adam against Christ. Note, not Eve, not Adam and Eve, but Adam alone. According to general believe, Eve is the one who first sinned, she listened to Satan (the "serpent") and plucked the apple from the forbidden tree and than gave it to Adam, but in Romans Adam and not Eve is mentioned. Why? We read by one man in Rom. 5:12 "... as by one man sin entered into the world ...", not one woman, not "one" woman and man, but one man, Adam. What happened with Adam — his sin — happened before Eve was even created, that is the mystery in 16:25, 26.

Aristarkos

keras · 2025-10-09T02:56:50-0500

Strong in Him said:
Where did I say that we do?

Sins are only forgiven for those who truly repent and change their ways.
If they sin again, God may not forgive again.

Strong in Him said:
Isn't it?

Persecution and tribulations are ongoing. The Day of the Lords fiery wrath is a once only event.
I have warned many times about this, now very soon to happen; sudden and shocking worldwide disaster, Prophesied in over 100 scriptures, but people seem unable to comprehend it.
Isaiah 66:15-17 is one of the best Prophesies about it,- Be assured- it will happen and we must stand firm in our faith and trust in the Lords protection thru it. THEN, as Isaiah 66:18-21 tells us, we will gather into all of the Holy Land to prepare for the glorious Return of Jesus

Strong in Him said:
It's your interpretation that, "the fiery ordeal that HAS come upon you" is the same as "the heavens and earth are reserved for fire."
The word "fire" is in both verses; that does not make them the same event.

A lot of Prophecy is in past tense, written in that way, as confirmation of its certain fulfilment. Obvious in this case, as we have yet to experience it.
As I said; there are over 100 Prophesies that mention this Day of disaster and 70 specifically mention fire as the cause of it.

Strong in Him said:
Which bit is "in the realms of fantasy" - the Holy Spirit changing us into Jesus' image, 2 Corinthians 3:18, or the Holy Spirit confirming to us that we are children of God, Romans 8:16?

Only in a Spiritual way.

Strong in Him said:
I didn't say anything about where God's children live

Romans 9:24-27 does tell us where the faithful children of God will live. In the very same place as ancient Israe was exiled from. Hosea 1:10-11

Strong in Him said:
In that case you must believe that God is mistaken.

If you wish to continue this conversation, do not make stupid remarks.

The issue is: -Is your name Written in the Book of Life? My belief is that our names are in the BoL at birth. It can be erased, with eternal consequences.

Strong in Him said:
God does not send people to the lake of fire/hell.

Seems that He does; Revelation 19:20
However; the fate of Gods enemies is to be forgotten and remembered no more.

David Lamb · 2025-10-09T02:52:22-0500

GoldenKingGaze said:
I suppose to see the risen Christ you'd have to die and be resuscitated. Otherwise Jesus's Spirit can certainly manifest and be with you.

Early church fathers Irenaeus and Tertullian had an interpretation of apostolic succession.

The greater revelation of God of those who saw and heard Him in close fellowship, the 12 apostles is a firm foundation we can't match. Paul gives us hope of ability to serve despite a lack of repute or revelation of God. We can all have a revelation of God, some of us today have been taken up into the Heavenlies like Gary Oates.

Some have a remarkable impression of God in them, some who seek His hand and face, panim, at home and church, and God has filled them deeply. From King David, deep calls unto deep. And Jesus sent the Holy Spirit and He is here with us, and can reveal Himself to us in degrees.

Ephesians 4 requires apostles until Christ returns, and because of deception and wolves in rebellion to the truth, we need them as the verses say.
So there was Paul, Barnabas, Andronicus and Junias...
10 He that descended is the same also that ascended up far above all heavens, that he might fill all things.)

11 And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;

12 For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:

13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:

14 That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive;

15 But speaking the truth in love, may grow up into him in all things, which is the head, even Christ:

16 From whom the whole body fitly joined together and compacted by that which every joint supplieth, according to the effectual working in the measure of every part, maketh increase of the body unto the edifying of itself in love.

From ChatGPT:
Good question — the Biblical requirements for an apostle depend on whether we’re talking about the original Twelve Apostles, Paul, or later church-appointed messengers (the word “apostle” just means “one who is sent”). But Scripture does outline some clear qualifications, especially in the early Church.
Let’s go through them carefully:

1. For the Original Twelve Apostles
After Judas died, the remaining eleven chose a replacement — Matthias — and the Book of Acts records the qualifications clearly:

So the original apostolic requirements were:

Personal companionship with Jesus during His earthly ministry (from John’s baptism onward).

Eyewitness of the resurrection — literally having seen the risen Christ.

Chosen by God (Acts 1:24–26 shows the apostles prayed for divine choice).

2. For Paul (the “Apostle to the Gentiles”)
Paul was an exception to the “followed Jesus from the beginning” rule, but even he insisted on seeing the risen Christ and being directly commissioned by Him:

Paul met Jesus in a post-resurrection appearance (Acts 9) and was specifically sent (apostellō) by Him.
Paul’s apostolic credentials:

Personally encountered the risen Christ.

Commissioned directly by Jesus (not self-appointed).

Confirmed by miraculous signs and the Holy Spirit (2 Cor 12:12).

Produced spiritual fruit and doctrine consistent with Christ’s gospel (Gal 1:11–12).

3. For Later “Apostles” (Missionary Sense)
In the New Testament, others are sometimes called apostoloi (messengers), though not part of the Twelve:

Barnabas (Acts 14:14)

Andronicus and Junia (Romans 16:7)

In this broader sense, an apostle was:

Sent out by the church or the Spirit (Acts 13:2–3)

Carrying the gospel with divine authority

Endorsed by the fruits of ministry and godly character

4. Summary Table

Requirement Scriptural Basis Applies to
Witness of Jesus’ resurrection Acts 1:22; 1 Cor 9:1 The Twelve, Paul
Personally chosen by Christ Luke 6:13; Acts 1:24; Gal 1:1 The Twelve, Paul
Empowered by the Holy Spirit Acts 2:1–4; 2 Cor 12:12 All apostles
Sound doctrine and fruit Gal 1:8–9; 2 Cor 12:12 All apostles
Blameless conduct and humility 1 Thess 2:3–6; 2 Cor 10–12 All apostles
Sent to preach or establish churches Acts 13:2–3; Rom 15:19–20 Broader apostleship

5. Conclusion
In Biblical terms, to be a true apostle one must:

Be personally called and sent by Christ,

Have seen the risen Lord,

Demonstrate signs, teaching, and fruits authenticating divine commission.

After the first generation, the apostolic office ceased in that original sense (since no one afterward could meet those eyewitness criteria). Later Christian leaders could be apostolic in mission and doctrine, but not in authority or revelation equal to the Twelve and Paul.

Would you like me to show how early Church Fathers (like Irenaeus or Tertullian) interpreted apostolic succession next?

Thanks for the reply, and for your offer to show me what the church fathers said about apostolic succession, which I appreciate, but I will rely on the Scriptures. Thanks again.

David Lamb · 2025-10-09T02:48:40-0500

RileyG said:
John chapter 2

But as I wrote in Post 6: "That is not an intercession. She would have had to have said something like, "Please give them some wine," for it to have been an intercession."

eclipsenow · 2025-10-09T02:47:20-0500

Always in His Presence said:
it could have happened in November when it was originally scheduled and agreed upon -

it is scheduled for THIS November to be in committee. Schumer is using it as an excuse.

I thought MAGA had all layers of government? How is this shutdown even possible - and why can't MAGA do something about it?

David Lamb · 2025-10-09T02:43:22-0500

retired firefighter said:
i so glad you read Hebrew and Greek , i can't so i'll stick with the KJV

Sorry, I don't read Hebrew or Greek. Where did you get that idea?

lucypevensie · 2025-10-09T02:41:26-0500

Hockey stick

Always in His Presence · 2025-10-09T02:30:40-0500

Fantine said:
There is no "Schumer shutdown."

Sure is manufacture by Schumer
Led by Schumer
Caused by Schumer

It was last March that he voted for the same bipartisan cr he voted against

Always in His Presence · 2025-10-09T02:27:56-0500

A2SG said:
Wait, wait.... are you claiming that the GOP agreed to extend the ACA subsidies last November, well before the so-called Big Beautiful Bill passed? Cool. Could you please provide documentation on that, so I can save it and frame it for posterity?

-- A2SG, unless you meant something else...your post wasn't exactly clear.....

it could have happened in November when it was originally scheduled and agreed upon -

it is scheduled for THIS November to be in committee. Schumer is using it as an excuse.

GoldenBoy89 · 2025-10-09T02:14:58-0500

I literally just want better healthcare, education, infrastructure and less shootings.

Larniavc · 2025-10-09T02:14:04-0500

o_mlly said:
You confuse morality as being equivalent to legality.

And that law was there because people thought it was moral.

Strong in Him · 2025-10-09T02:12:43-0500

d taylor said:
-A person can believe in Jesus for God's free gift of Eternal Life without repenting of sin/sins. Repenting has noting to do with believing in Jesus

So a non Christian can fully accept who Jesus was, that he came to earth to die for our sins and reconcile us to God, that he told people to repent, (Mark 1:15, Luke 13:5) and that he said his blood was for the forgiveness of sins - but they don't need to repent of those sins?

d taylor said:
You believe people went to the moon, did you have to repent to believe this.

Did I have to repent of what?

No, I accepted that what I saw on television was a fact. There was nothing to repent, or change my mind, about - men couldn't get to, and walk on, the moon, and then they could.

d taylor said:
Believing is simply being convinced something is true.

People can be totally certain that Jesus existed, lived, taught and died, without really and fully accepting the fact that God loves them, personally.
Christians can be intellectually convinced that the Holy Spirit exists and yet have not asked to be filled with/baptized in the Spirit so that he totally transforms their lives. The book, "9.00 in the morning" describes this; I think Colin Urquhart wrote about it too.
In Acts 19 there were Christians who believed in Jesus but "had not even heard" that there was a Holy Spirit.

The NT often has the word "know"; John said he was writing so that people would know.
The Hebrew word for "know" meant, "knowing in such a way that it transforms your life". It wasn't just intellectually accepting, it was doing something about it. I have recently read a book in which the author says the same thing; if the information you have accepted does not change your life, if you don't put it into practice - you don't know it. How many people say the Lord's Prayer but do not know God as their loving, perfect heavenly Father?

So how can a non Christian know that Jesus died for their sins and that if they accept that they are reconciled to God - yet not have to repent of their sins?

Larniavc · 2025-10-09T02:12:24-0500

o_mlly said:
Ahh, there's the rub. What you mean based on your posts is, "I'm still left with trying to interpret it". Even in the act of rape, you need interpretation!

Is an apology forthcoming?

I ask again, are atheists who claim that even the morality of rape is in need of interpretation think that no absolute "rules exist at all". If so then by your insight that makes them closet sociopaths.

I would think rape is as close to a moral absolute is you can get. But as there have been people who disagree we cannot say that it is truly absolute.

Larniavc · 2025-10-09T02:09:23-0500

zippy2006 said:
But if there is a crime of rape between husband and wife then it would be absolute? Isn't that what you are saying?

No. The fact that rape was seen as allowed at some point means that moral vary over time and are not absolute.

prodromos · 2025-10-09T02:09:08-0500

Apple Sky said:
That's what I said, batteries not included

I have no idea why that amuses you.

Strong in Him · 2025-10-09T01:47:24-0500

keras said:
God can forgive, even for things as bad as what King David did. He sincerely and contritely asked God for forgiveness.
But we must not think we get that automatically.

Where did I say that we do?

keras said:
Persecution is not the same as the forthcoming great test of our faith by fire.

Isn't it?
You don't think that a Christian might be tempted to deny their faith to save their life, believing that they will be able to repent again after the danger is past?
That happened even in NT times - that's why the book of Hebrews was written.

keras said:
What 1 Peter 4:12 says - relates to 2 Peter 3:7. Same event.

It's your interpretation that, "the fiery ordeal that HAS come upon you" is the same as "the heavens and earth are reserved for fire."
The word "fire" is in both verses; that does not make them the same event.

keras said:
Your imagination carries you into the realms of fantasy.
We faithful Christians are the peoples of God, scattered around the world, soon to be gathered into all of the Holy Land.

Which bit is "in the realms of fantasy" - the Holy Spirit changing us into Jesus' image, 2 Corinthians 3:18, or the Holy Spirit confirming to us that we are children of God, Romans 8:16?

I didn't say anything about where God's children live, only that we ARE, now, his children.

keras said:
What God said in Exodus 32:33, is an immutable fact and is never said to be repealed.

In that case you must believe that God is mistaken.
Thousands of people sin, and have sinned, against him and repent afterwards - King David, Jonah, Peter, for example.

keras said:
I simply do not believe that. There is no purpose served and it seems to be vindictive, not Gods nature at all.

No, I should have said that it WOULD be living forever in the lake of fire - if it happened.
God does not send people to the lake of fire/hell.

stevevw · 2025-10-09T01:29:22-0500

BCP1928 said:
There are Christians and then there are Christians. For my part, I am a "Bible-hating, Christ-denying commie" (an Anglican) and an Anglican Priest who posts regularly here has had the validity of her faith, her denomination and her ordination openly denied. The Attorney General now has a committee of Evangelical Protestant clergy trying to find a legal way to deny the protections of the First Amendment to any but Evangleical Protestant Christians. The Democrats (many of whom are devout Christians themselves) aren't doing that.

Is the debate now going into denomination politics and theology. Not sure thats a good idea lol. Though I think the label you have made would not be the majority of Catholics. Seems more extreme end of politics and religion using that narrative.

I am getting confused now. How does the denominational beliefs relate to health care. Or any right within secular society under the constitution or human rights. Human and constitutional rights would allow different denominations to practice their beliefs. Even if you disagree.

They are doing nothing wrong as far as secular rights and freedoms when it comes to other denominations. The idea is that all religions and denominations have the right to practice and express their beliefs.

If the Catholics disagree that women can be preists that is their right to their conscience and belief. Its not a personal attack on protestants. Its just their belief being expressed which disagrees with protestants. Diagreeing with another denominations beliefs or practices is not a denial of rights. Its a difference of belief clashing lol.

Its the same idea as some who claim that disagreeing with trans or SSM is a denial of rights. Its not. Its a disagreement of beliefs that have to coexist. Just expressing a belief that you disagree and practicing that according to your religion is not a denial of anyones rights. That is what is called a free society that allows people their human rights to hold beliefs and views according to their conscience. .

stevevw · 2025-10-09T00:59:54-0500

BCP1928 said:
Right, it saves a lot of work.

Then why object to the suggestion that some sort of lathing was involved.

BCP1928 said:
Yes the "culture" but not necessarily the craftsmen themselves. QED, huh?

Ok so we find some precision vases 5,000 years ago and its the culture and not the craftman.

BCP1928 said:
More lies. No one has suggested that they used nothing but their "unaided freehands."

lol you suggested they were using a lathe or wheel. You suggested that a boring bar was used as a lathe to explain the precise synnetry and circularity.

#593
The boring bar is generally used in a lathe, where a lathe is available.

BCP1928 said:
More lies. I have never denied that some sort of wheel or lathe might have been used.

Wait a minute you just literally said above that no one has suggested the ancients use nothing but their unaided hands. Now your saying they used the lathe as an aid to reach the precision.

BCP1928 said:
Because you are downgrading the ability of ancient Egyptian craftsman to use the tools that were known to be used by them or were possibly available to them.

How exactly. How exactly have I said anything different to you. Make up your mind. Did they use a lathe or not. If so your saying exactly what I am saying.

Its not downgrading any craftsmans skill. I am talking about the lathe achieving the near precise symmetry and circularity that everyone recognises is caused by a lathe. Yes they are good craftsman in being able to use a lathe. But its the lathe thats achieving the high precision.

BCP1928 said:
I don't know. The lathe question is certainly up in the air,

You just said you have never denied a lathe being used. You have been explaining how a lathe can answer the question of how the ancients achieved high precision in symmetry and roundness. You said even a 1950's lathe can do this as you have used one lol.

BCP1928 said:
though you have denied the possibility of any lathe that would be within the scope of their ability to construct. Their "culture" wasn't good enough for you.

No this is the consensus opinion of mainstream archeology. The potters wheel and Bore stick did not come along until at least a 1,000 years after the Naqada people.

I deny that they would have had a modern CNC lathe. Obviously as computers and that level of high tech did not come in until late 20th century. But the signatures are the same as modern lathing.

I am actually saying the ancients were smart. I am praising them, highlighting their amazing ability. It is skeptics who are restricting these people to traditional ways and limiting the possibilities.

The ancients themselves claim that they had advanced knowledge that defied convention. If anything I am supporting their culture as I am not denying the possibility of this alternative advanced knowledge.

BCP1928 said:
And I am trying to explain to you why that is not necessary.

Actually you explained why it is necessary. You explained how the near precise symmetry and circularity was produced by lathing. That lathing explains this signature and not unaided hands without lathing and just chisels and pounders.

BCP1928 said:
You seem fascinated with "bare hands." I would tell you what to do with your "bare hands" but I don't think they would both fit.

lol my imagination is making me laugh.

Then after I posted my imagination ran wild lol. I could use my bare hands as you said and pull out a precision vase lol.

Yttrium · 2025-10-09T00:39:44-0500

partinobodycular said:
I suppose that I'm expecting wiser heads to prevail... running like lemmings off a cliff because of some charismatic leader wouldn't seem to be an effective survival strategy. Makes for an effective plot device though, if you're looking to create conflict.

Wiser heads usually prevail, but if an insane charismatic leader turns the herd against them, preying on the paranoia of the people, there will be problems.

partinobodycular said:
Why is it that behavior that I'd find unthinkable in myself, is so easily dismissed as normal when it occurs in others?

Is it true then, I could put you in GTA and you'd accept it as normal?

What's the Turing test for reality, if not the fact that it behaves in a way that you yourself wouldn't?

I'm still proposing that you may be way more rational than average. It's our irrationality that can distinguish us more from AI.

Apple Sky · 2025-10-09T00:36:30-0500

prodromos said:
They are mirrors. No batteries needed.

That's what I said, batteries not included ^_^

Apple Sky · 2025-10-09T00:33:10-0500

Tellyontellyon said:
Matthew 18:10 KJV
Take heed that ye despise not one of these little ones; for I say unto you, That in heaven their angels do always behold the face of my Father which is in heaven.

.....

What does this mean? Do the little children have angel in heaven that is connected to them? Do we all have an angel in heaven that corresponds to us?
Do some of our angels do something other than behold God? Is my angel less innocent/good than a child's angel?

Or does it mean that when a child dies it becomes a particularly devoted angel?
Do we become angels if we go to heav lighten?

Or is the soul actually an angel and we are in heaven at the same time as being on earth without knowing it? We are our own angel, so to speak?

Or... what does it mean?

Cheers

Angels are God's messengers.

My husband died recently & I had a dream a few days ago where by my husband was alive & well, it was a fabulous dream, so I believe that when we die our souls turn into angels.

When we are born the soul is this spark of light, a star is born & when we die this star carries on as an angel to comfort us in times of grief.

The legend of the Jews by BY LOUIS GINZBERG

Between morning and evening the angel carries the soul around, and shows her where she will live and where she will die, and the place where she will buried, and he takes her through the whole world, and points out the just and the sinners and all things. In the evening, he replaces her in the womb of the mother, and there she remains for nine months.

When the time arrives for man to quit this world, the same angel appears and asks him, "Dost thou recognize me?" And man replies, "Yes; but why dost thou come to me to-day, and thou didst come on no other day?" The angel says, "To take thee away from the world, for the time of thy departure has arrived." Then man falls to weeping, and his voice penetrates to all ends of the world, yet no creature hears his voice, except the [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse] alone. Man remonstrates with the angel, "From two worlds thou didst take me, and into this world thou didst bring me." But the angel reminds him: "Did I not tell thee that thou wert formed against thy will, and thou wouldst be born against thy will, and against thy will thou wouldst die? And against thy will thou wilt have to give account and reckoning of thyself before the Holy One, blessed be He."

childeye 2 · 2025-10-09T00:27:10-0500

rjs330 said:
How do you know? Are you at the meetings? Do you have the Intel? Show me the documents.

That's like asking me to prove I don't beat my wife. An effective slanderer depends upon lies they know others are going to find difficult to disprove. It's not like anyone can interview all the millions of immigrants and have them provide evidence they were never in a prison or a mental institution.

I do know ICE has records of 104,000 criminal "non-citizens" having been arrested by border officials from fiscal year 2021 to 2024. Could be drug runners or cartel members. But I've seen no evidence of millions of immigrants coming from prisons or mental institutions.

Slander is not of the Spirit of God. The Holy Spirit teaches me to NOT WANT TO believe ANYTHING BAD said about others without evidence, because negative prejudice violates loving others as myself. It's wickedness TO WANT TO believe bad things said about others.

rjs330 said:
Who's he slandering?

The millions of immigrants who he says are coming from prisons and mental institutions who are not coming from mental institutions or prisons.

rjs330 said:
The countries where those people are coming from?

I don't believe so.

rjs330 said:
How do you know that zero illegals have been in prison or zero illegals immigrants have been in a mental hospital?

I'm sure there have been illegals who probably have been in prison before. But Trump in general is slandering the millions of immigrants who are people just like you or me. Trump dislikes undocumented immigrants based upon negative prejudice. I know that because he said that he doesn't want birthright citizenship for immigrants. Trump does not want children born from undocumented immigrants to become citizens.

Requirement	Scriptural Basis	Applies to
Witness of Jesus’ resurrection	Acts 1:22; 1 Cor 9:1	The Twelve, Paul
Personally chosen by Christ	Luke 6:13; Acts 1:24; Gal 1:1	The Twelve, Paul
Empowered by the Holy Spirit	Acts 2:1–4; 2 Cor 12:12	All apostles
Sound doctrine and fruit	Gal 1:8–9; 2 Cor 12:12	All apostles
Blameless conduct and humility	1 Thess 2:3–6; 2 Cor 10–12	All apostles
Sent to preach or establish churches	Acts 13:2–3; Rom 15:19–20	Broader apostleship

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1. For the Original Twelve Apostles

2. For Paul (the “Apostle to the Gentiles”)

3. For Later “Apostles” (Missionary Sense)

4. Summary Table

5. Conclusion