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Zceptre · 2025-12-02T11:52:00-0600

NBB said:
So you may need to be filled with the Holy spirit to have more guidance and more communion with God.

Absolutely.

John 6:63
It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh profits nothing. The words that I speak to you are spirit, and they are life.

John 1:1
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

Say it aint so · 2025-12-02T11:51:37-0600

I think this an important blurb from the right wing FBI report:

They are pulling agents off Counter-terrorism and Counter-intelligence groups to help chase down gardeners.

iluvatar5150 · 2025-12-02T11:49:20-0600

another_lost_guy said:
Ok, I made a claim that her annualized return in the last 5 years was 22.8%. It's up to you to disprove that. How am I supposed to interpret this and how does it disprove what I said?

It should be on you to actually read into the numbers a little bit before posting them, but I suppose that's too much to expect around here these days.

The problem I'm seeing with your medium.com piece is that it doesn't really cite any data. It just makes claims without actually backing them up. It gives the valance of backing up the claims by citing pieces from Daily Caller and other sites that don't actually show their work, but rather just keep linking back to their own progessively less-informative pieces without explaining where the numbers come from. The only thing close to a "source" I can find in there is the UnusualWhales site that makes projections (which is all they are) based on the official financial disclosures that I already described.

another_lost_guy said:
So what is her actual return then?

I'm still not seeing a specific percentage return...

We can't know her actual rate of return without knowing her precise contributions and the precise valuations of her assets - details that aren't reported to Congress. Every time you see somebody making a claim about the return rate of her investments, it's a guess, unless you happen to know other details like the precise time she got into and out of a particular publicly-traded asset.

another_lost_guy said:
Not yet demonstrably true given the fact you have neither demonstrated it yourself or provided me the resources to find someone who did demonstrate it. As far as this article goes, she has had a return of 22.8%. It's up to you or someone else to disprove that, you can't just say it isn't true without giving a conflicting return number yourself

Again, no, it should be on the authors to substantiate that claim, not throw up a smokescreen of nonsensical citations.

Here's a post I made on this subject a few weeks ago, with links to her 2023 & 2024 disclosures, showing how NY Post's estimates of her returns were bogus:

Pelosi made more than $130 million in stock profits in 37 years, return of 16,930%

https://nypost.com/2025/11/08/us-news/nancy-pelosi-made-130-million-in-stock-profits-in-her-37-years-in-congress-a-profit-of-16930/ One of the most incredible stock picking examples in the history of our country.

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essentialsaltes · 2025-12-02T11:49:12-0600

Valletta said:
Our economy is once again picking up

How would you know when Trump is not releasing Q3 GDP data? The layoffs certainly suggest the economy is not picking up, other than maybe holiday shopping.

LHADEN · 2025-12-02T11:49:03-0600

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Landon Caeli · 2025-12-02T11:48:23-0600

iluvatar5150 said:
If you cut out the Arabic, that sounds a lot like hundreds (maybe thousands?) of evangelical services I've heard.

If you add the Arabic back in, it sounds exactly like basically every charismatic service I've heard, with their faux-Arabic "speaking in tongues."

I guess you're not bothered by any of what you saw, because you seem to be in favor of more of it.

Do you also like the guy with the mock suicide vest, playing with wires protruding from it?

https://x.com/ChrisCuomo/status/1941134211358097892?s=20

BCP1928 · 2025-12-02T11:46:56-0600

stevevw said:
I mean under the law. The law use to be aligned with biblical marriage. Its there in the vows. Or was lol. Then it was redefined around the year 2000 onwards for most western nations.

This was a redefining of marriage in the public square and social norms. So the State in changing the marriage laws was also legalising as morally good a new definition of marriage. Thus taking a moral position on marriage which conflicts with biblical marriage and the definition the State had previously upheld for generations.

That doesn't make it morally right. Yes the State laws and policies are usually a reflection of the social norms the community supports. Thats the point. Social norms change with the times and biblical norms don't. Thats why they come into conflict.

But the idea that its "we the people" will decide is unreal. The way its been going lately and being so polarised it seems half the population is devastated they are no longer in power. They feel disenfranchised and like they are living in some alien nation because Trumps in power.

The same when the Dems were in. It seems that half the population is never represented. Let alone all the smaller groups who never get a say. Or get too much say. Its all corruption and power and its no longer about the people.

The state has taken no position at all on the Christian sacrament of Holy Matrimony. Same sex marriage is not a new version of civil marriage, merely a reconsideration of the qualifications for it. Civil marriage is nothing but a legal arrangement, allowing couples to form a legal household with respect to the state, nothing more. No physical consummation is required, and the personal relationship between the two parties is not specified, nor are the reasons for entering into the relationship considered. There are countless examples, some known personally to me, where no emotional or intimate sexual relationship was even contemplated by the couple. For example, in the early years of the twentieth century, young women with no other prospects would marry elderly veterans of the American Civil War, to share the pension in return for services as a caregiver. Forming a civil household. provided a convenient legal arrangement. (The last Civil War widow died in 2020, 165 years after the end of the conflict). Considered as a civil contract, there is no reason to deny civil marriage to any two unrelated adult citizens. If the rights of citizenship are extended to homosexuals and homosexuality is not illegal, then it is hard to see why civil marriage should be denied them. It certainly has no effect whatever on me or my marriage.

Benaiah468 · 2025-12-02T11:45:36-0600

timothyu said:
Yas and the only chosen people will be all those of the Kingdom. Religion and ancestry is obsolete. Jesus went first to the House of Israel, and when they failed Him yet again, then later to the gentiles of all nations, for all of mankind was free to repent and pledge allegiance to the Kingdom,, no longer being slaves to the nations nor the elohim powers that still control them.

G-d's promise to the nations is that they can be grafted in to the spiritual olive tree of Israel through faith in Christ, sharing in the promises and blessings of the covenant. Two olive trees symbolize the two houses of Israel (Jews and Gentiles) to carry out His heavenly mission. Romans 11 holds powerful truths that relevant for us today as we witness Israel's two-stage restoration (both physical and spiritual), depicted by the symbol of two olive trees.

For the vineyard of the Lord of hosts is the house of Israel, and the men of Judah his pleasant plant: Isa 5:7

Always in His Presence · 2025-12-02T11:44:39-0600

lismore said:
Looking at the Apostles in the bible.

Yes please - not just the twelve

lismore said:
1) They were able to heal, almost at will.

God healed the sick through them - according to God's will. Not something they could turn on or off.

lismore said:
2) What they said and wrote was considered to be the very inspired word of God.

The Word of God is still just as inspired. The writing has ended but the Word is still just as inspired, just as anointed and just as powerful.

lismore said:
3) They were witnesses of the risen Christ.

Not Barnabus - Not Paul - not several others

Paul told the church in Ephesus and Corinth that Apostles, Prophets, Pastors are gifts to the church. (Evangelist and Teachers in Ephesians). How long will we have them in the body?

Eph 4:11 And He Himself gave some to be apostles, some prophets, some evangelists, and some pastors and teachers, 12 for the equipping of the saints for the work of ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ, 13 till we all come to the unity of the faith and of the knowledge of the Son of God, to a perfect man, to the measure of the stature of the fullness of Christ; 14 that we should no longer be children, tossed to and fro and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the trickery of men, in the cunning craftiness of deceitful plotting, 15 but, speaking the truth in love, may grow up in all things into Him who is the head—Christ— 16 from whom the whole body, joined and knit together by what every joint supplies, according to the effective working by which every part does its share, causes growth of the body for the edifying of itself in love.

Are we all in unity? Do we still get tossed to and fro and carried about with every wind of Doctrine?

IMHO if you take a look at this forum, it will answer that question.

childeye 2 · 2025-12-02T11:41:30-0600

CoreyD said:
We have nothing else to talk about.

I don’t need the last word, but I do want to leave you with this --> Scripture says the will is enslaved to sin until Christ sets it free (John 8:34–36; Romans 6:18). That’s why the only true free will is the one liberated by Him. My hope isn’t to win an argument, but to point to the freedom found in Christ. It doesn't mean we're perfect, it means that in His grace, His strength is made perfect in weakness.

2 Corinthians 12:9
And he said unto me, My grace is sufficient for thee: for my strength is made perfect in weakness. Most gladly therefore will I rather glory in my infirmities, that the power of Christ may rest upon me.

Aryeh Jay · 2025-12-02T11:41:05-0600

Say it aint so said:
Sometimes, I wonder if this really is a Christian forum.

It is.

Aryeh Jay · 2025-12-02T11:36:52-0600

Servus said:
Is there solid evidence of that?

Follow their orders without question but don't believe anything they actually say.

Genius!

bling · 2025-12-02T11:36:37-0600

BelieveItOarKnot said:
Are you claiming

Mark 4:15 applies to everyone. All are tempted internally and therefore have evil present within them.

First off in Mark 4:15 Jesus specifically says: “Some people” and not “all people”.

Look at the context of Mark 4: 15 starting with Mark 4: 13 Then Jesus said to them, “Don’t you understand this parable? How then will you understand any parable? 14 The farmer sows the word. 15 Some people are like seed along the path, where the word is sown. As soon as they hear it, Satan comes and takes away the word that was sown in them. 16 Others, like seed sown on rocky places, hear the word and at once receive it with joy. 17 But since they have no root, they last only a short time. When trouble or persecution comes because of the word, they quickly fall away. 18 Still others, like seed sown among thorns, hear the word; 19 but the worries of this life, the deceitfulness of wealth and the desires for other things come in and choke the word, making it unfruitful. 20 Others, like seed sown on good soil, hear the word, accept it, and produce a crop—some thirty, some sixty, some a hundred times what was sown.”

In context there are four different groups of soils (people).

Jesus was tempted so being tempted does not mean He has “evil present within” them.

BelieveItOarKnot said:
And that would be your own add on position trying to disqualifying your neighbors love and self justifying yours.

The contingency is right from the Bible “if we Love one another”.

BelieveItOarKnot said:
Read my statements again. Then give a specific named person. Just one will do. Hint in advance. You wont find a single one.

1 Timothy 1: 19 holding on to faith and a good conscience, which some have rejected and so have suffered shipwreck with regard to the faith. 20 Among them are Hymenaeus and Alexander, whom I have handed over to Satan to be taught not to blaspheme.

1 Tim. 4:1 The Spirit clearly says that in later times some will abandon the faith and follow deceiving spirits and things taught by demons. 2 Such teachings come through hypocritical liars, whose consciences have been seared as with a hot iron.

1 Tim. 5: 11 As for younger widows, do not put them on such a list. For when their sensual desires overcome their dedication to Christ, they want to marry. 12 Thus they bring judgment on themselves, because they have broken their first pledge. 13 Besides, they get into the habit of being idle and going about from house to house. And not only do they become idlers, but also busybodies who talk nonsense, saying things they ought not to. 14 So I counsel younger widows to marry, to have children, to manage their homes and to give the enemy no opportunity for slander. 15 Some have in fact already turned away to follow Satan.

2 Tim. 1: 15 You know that everyone in the province of Asia has deserted me, including Phygelus and Hermogenes.

2 Tim. 2: 7 Their teaching will spread like gangrene. Among them are Hymenaeus and Philetus, 18 who have departed from the truth. They say that the resurrection has already taken place, and they destroy the faith of some. 19 Nevertheless, God’s solid foundation stands firm, sealed with this inscription: “The Lord knows those who are his,” and, “Everyone who confesses the name of the Lord must turn away from wickedness.”

2 Tim. 4: 10 for Demas, because he loved this world, has deserted me and has gone to Thessalonica. Crescens has gone to Galatia, and Titus to Dalmatia.

BelieveItOarKnot said:
All are under sin. Romans 3:9. Sin is of the devil, 1 John 3:8, Mark 4:15.

Ro. 3: 9 What shall we conclude then? Do we have any advantage? Not at all! For we have already made the charge that Jews and Gentiles alike are all under the power of sin.

This is referring to both Jews and Gentiles. Yes all mature adults sinned.

1 John 3: 8 The one who does what is sinful is of the devil, because the devil has been sinning from the beginning. The reason the Son of God appeared was to destroy the devil’s work. 9 No one who is born of God will continue to sin, because God’s seed remains in them; they cannot go on sinning, because they have been born of God. 10 This is how we know who the children of God are and who the children of the devil are: Anyone who does not do what is right is not God’s child, nor is anyone who does not love their brother and sister.

We are either servants of satan or servants of God.

Mark 4: 15 is explained above.

BelieveItOarKnot said:
It is incumbent on your position to eradicate those scriptures and a host of others

God does make people believe or they wouldn't believe

Believe/faith is not a “work” (meaning deserving of something), but humility and believe is our part which we bring to the salvation process. Every mature adult believes in somethings (some worship gods of stone).

BelieveItOarKnot said:
The shotgun is being held by people who thinks God is going to burn them or others alive forever. These positions are simply forced manipulation. Believe or else. Common works/law salvation positions

To believe in hell you have to believe in the Christian God.

BelieveItOarKnot said:
God did it to Himself bt aggravating devils in people which same killed Him, thereby sealing their fate to hell

So this is a suicide act?

BelieveItOarKnot said:
God is not in need, least of all for the self centered self interested love of mankind, as if we have something Ge needs.

I am not saying God needs anything, God is just trying to get us to humble accept His Love.

BelieveItOarKnot said:
Nope

As previously noted your pisition eliminates both the Will of God and the will of the tempter in the equations. And therefore doesnt add up

It fits man’s objective.

BelieveItOarKnot said:
God always has two positions active with everyone And it's quite simple. For good/against evil, simultaneously

Neither can be eliminated from His sight

How is this not saying that God’s actions are contingent on the choices of the people?

BelieveItOarKnot said:
The evil present in no one makes good choices is the point. Your positions try to eliminate the obvious issue. It doesn't add up.

Never will

Yes it does.

Say it aint so · 2025-12-02T11:33:59-0600

MarcusGregor said:
It's literally the example given in the Law of War manual on the DoD(W) website:

18.3.2.1 Clearly Illegal Orders to Commit Law of War Violations. The requirement to refuse to comply with orders to commit law of war violations applies to orders to perform conduct that is clearly illegal or orders that the subordinate knows, in fact, are illegal. For example, orders to fire upon the shipwrecked would be clearly illegal.

Thank you.

MarcusGregor · 2025-12-02T11:33:01-0600

Hertling was saying the code training literally uses as the example of shooting of survivors in the water as an illegal act.

It's literally the example given in the Law of War manual on the DoD(W) website:

18.3.2.1 Clearly Illegal Orders to Commit Law of War Violations.

The requirement to refuse to comply with orders to commit law of war violations applies to orders to perform conduct that is clearly illegal or orders that the subordinate knows, in fact, are illegal. For example, orders to fire upon the shipwrecked would be clearly illegal.

JulieB67 · 2025-12-02T11:30:51-0600

Hentenza said:
Fire consumes the material, like the body, but not the immaterial, like the spirit and soul.

We are talking about God's consuming fire that can destroy both body and soul. And I choose to believe Christ's words in that we are to fear the one that can destroy (fully in the Greek) both body and soul. That's why Christ calls it the "second" death. Afterwards he claims to make "all things" new and that the former things will be passed away.

Say it aint so · 2025-12-02T11:30:50-0600

Servus said:
This is the best dirt they could dig up? Seriously? lol.

One more time.
This is a report from FBI agents themselves; clearly those right leaning.
But no, it's far worse than just losing the confidence of those who you are suppose to lead.

iluvatar5150 · 2025-12-02T11:28:01-0600

Landon Caeli said:
Check out NYC 3 days ago...

Login to view embedded media ...An entire crown shouts in agreement!

https://x.com/ChrisCuomo/status/1941134211358097892?s=20

If you cut out the Arabic, that sounds a lot like hundreds (maybe thousands?) of evangelical services I've heard.

If you add the Arabic back in, it sounds exactly like basically every charismatic service I've heard, with their faux-Arabic "speaking in tongues."

Say it aint so · 2025-12-02T11:27:07-0600

White House says admiral approved second deadly boat strike

The White House on Monday confirmed a second strike in September had killed wounded civilians after the first effort failed, and put responsibility largely on the naval commander leading the mission.

Spokesperson Karoline Leavitt said U.S. Special Operations Command head Adm. Frank Bradley was “within his authority and the law” in conducting the second strike on alleged drug traffickers in the Caribbean, after the force of the first strike tossed them from the boat.

I was listening to Lt. Gen. Mark Hertling last night. There are some here who may be currently in, or were in the military who can confirm this. Hertling was saying the code training literally uses as the example of shooting of survivors in the water as an illegal act. Not him but me, but I kind of remember soldiers of other nations being brought to trial and executed for those such acts. Feel free to correct me if I am misremembering.

another_lost_guy · 2025-12-02T11:26:26-0600

NxNW said:
13.6% is more than half that, not nearly half.

Both can be true.

NxNW said:
4: Her husband manages her investments.

And does so without consulting her at all? Please, North.

NxNW said:
They convicted Martha Stewart, didn't they?

I actually looked more into Martha Stewart and it turns out she was never actually even convicted for insider trading either. Her broker was. Congrats! You've conceded the entire argument.

NxNW said:
Did she personally trade in those stocks using that knowledge?

Did Martha Stewart?

NxNW said:
Just not very informative.

At least you acknowledge it wasn't an argument now.

essentialsaltes · 2025-12-02T11:25:46-0600

He truthed it, and truthed it again a few minutes later. It must be truth!

essentialsaltes said:
DJT is on a tear. Down 43% over the last 6 months. Still above its all time lows.

OK, now it's around its all time (post-SPAC) lows.

rambot · 2025-12-02T11:25:05-0600

Servus said:
This is the best dirt they could dig up? Seriously? lol.

I know you are used to, and accept mediocrity from anyone in your party if they are assigned by Trump.

Some people, like hte people who they oversee, prefer competency and integrity in those positions.

FAITH-IN-HIM · 2025-12-02T11:24:18-0600

Yarddog said:
Which account of Paul's conversion is correct?

And they that were with me beheld indeed the light, but they heard not the voice of him that spake to me.
Acts 22 : 9

And the men that journeyed with him stood speechless, hearing the voice, but beholding no man.
Acts 9 : 7

I don't know how to reconcile these verses nor has the Holy Spirit told me how to do it. I choose to not worry about.

Why would one compare these two events? In Acts 9, the event occurs on the road to Damascus during Paul's conversion to Christianity, while the account in Acts 22 takes place 23 years later in Jerusalem.

wing2000 · 2025-12-02T11:23:03-0600

rambot said:
I like that he's pointing out that "Radical leftists" are keeping America safe from Drug Traffickers!

Thanks Honduras man!

The John 8:32 letterhead was a nice (cynical) touch.

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