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RDKirk · 2025-12-08T09:06:14-0600

Factotum said:
I can appreciate that, too.
Nonetheless, I disagree that they are separable issues or separate issues. You can't decide to do something without simultaneously thinking through how to do it/how to be successful at it. Those are the exact elements which create the decision to NOT do something or to do something.

Yes, that's true to a degree, and I've spoken of it.

For instance, whoever made the decision to use only drones or an AC-130 gunship to do the shooting must have also made the decision not to have surface craft in the area to rescue survivors. That was an up-front decision not to rescue survivors and was a crime in itself under the LOAC.

But the fact is still that accountability will be separated between deciding to strike and the tactics of the strike. The man who actually pulled the trigger to release the missiles has one level of accountability for making the second strike (even if it was ordered from above), but is not accountable for the decision for the first strike.

durangodawood · 2025-12-08T09:04:48-0600

BasedLutheran said:
Fired for what? He and the committee literally changed the recommendations and schedule to directly match the entirety of the civilized and developed world. The new recommendations are identical to almost every European country (some of them go even later to 5 months before it being given), and the countries of New zealand, Japan, etc.

So what, precisely, is the 'dangerous decision' you want to claim he is making?

I can see that working in civilized places like Europe, where theres an expectation of regular checkups etc. In ths USA you never know what doctor interaction may be your last for a long long time.

MarcusGregor · 2025-12-08T09:02:26-0600

Scientific research is not published on Twitter. Find the original peer-reveiwed research from a reputable journal (thinking you might have trouble with that

).

Also, the percentage isn't really all that important. It can vary depending on what is being compared between the genomes. What actually matters is the relative differences and patterns observed that match exactly what would be expected from common descent.

BPPLEE · 2025-12-08T09:02:02-0600

The Barbarian said:
No, that excuse won't work, either...

President Biden’s immigration record from 2021–2025 combined an early shift to prosecutorial discretion and humanitarian programs with later, tighter asylum limits and accelerated removals: the administration issued prosecutorial-discretion priorities in September 2021 and carried out roughly 1.1–1.5 million deportations/returns through early 2024 while focusing removals on recent border crossers and public-safety risks [1] [2]. After Title 42 ended, the administration layered tools — CBP One, a “Circumvention of Lawful Pathways” rule, a June 2024 executive order setting deportation triggers, and limits on asylum between ports of entry — that substantially narrowed access to asylum and increased removals [3] [1] [4] [5].

https://factually.co/fact-checks/politics/biden-immigration-asylum-deportations-2021-2025-a4ec51

Biden reversed Trump's policy of targeting people who looked Mexican, and ordered INS to focus on dangerous criminals. And it worked. By the end of the Biden administration, Texas data (Texas is one of the few states that keep data on immigrant crime) showed that illegal immigrants were much more law-abiding than are native born American citizens. That's why El Paso, the city with the largest number of illegal aliens, is one of the safest large cities in America.

It's telling that even republican historians rate Biden much higher than they rate Trump. Reality matters.

Illegal immigration under Trump vs illegal immigration under Biden

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Overview of Illegal Immigration TrendsIllegal immigration to the United States is typically measured through key metrics from U.S. Customs and Border Protection (CBP) and the Department of Homeland Security (DHS), including:

Border encounters: Apprehensions or interactions with migrants attempting unauthorized entry (often used as a proxy for attempted illegal crossings).
Gotaways: Estimated migrants who evade detection.
Removals/expulsions: Formal deportations or returns of unauthorized migrants.
Net unauthorized population growth: The overall change in the estimated number of unauthorized immigrants in the U.S., accounting for inflows, outflows, deaths, and status adjustments.

Data shows a stark contrast between the administrations. Under President Trump (FY 2017–2021), encounters were relatively low and stable, averaging under 500,000 annually, influenced by pandemic restrictions like Title 42. Under President Biden (FY 2021–2025), encounters surged to record highs, averaging over 2 million per year through 2023, driven by global migration pressures, policy perceptions, and post-pandemic recovery—though they declined sharply in late 2024 due to new restrictions. The unauthorized immigrant population grew by about 3.5 million from 2021–2023 (reaching 14 million total), with net international migration hitting 2.8 million in 2024 alone. Under Trump's second term (starting January 2025), encounters have plummeted to historic lows (e.g., under 8,000 per month by October 2025), with zero releases into the U.S. and increased deportations. Key Data ComparisonThe table below summarizes annual southwest border encounters (the primary indicator of illegal immigration attempts) based on CBP data. Figures are fiscal year (October–September) unless noted; Biden's FY 2025 data is partial (through December 2025).

Fiscal Year	President	Southwest Border Encounters	Notes
2017	Trump	303,916	Low due to pre-pandemic enforcement.
2018	Trump	396,579	Stable; family separations policy implemented.
2019	Trump	851,508	Peak under Trump; asylum restrictions tightened.
2020	Trump	400,651	Sharp drop from Title 42 expulsions (COVID policy).
Trump Total/Avg.	2,952,654 / ~738,000	Title 42 expelled ~1.5 million overall (mostly in 2020).
2021	Biden	1,659,206	Surge begins; Title 42 continues but recidivism rises to 27%.
2022	Biden	2,206,436	Record high; ~2.5 million released pending processing.
2023	Biden	2,475,669	Peak year; 3.2 million total encounters including ports.
2024	Biden	~1,800,000 (est.)	Decline after June asylum restrictions; still ~4x Trump's avg.
2025 (partial)	Biden/Trump	~500,000 (Biden); ~150,000 (Trump, Jan–Dec est.)	Sharp drop under Trump to <10,000/month by mid-year.
Biden Total/Avg. (through 2024)	~8.1 million / ~2 million	~11 million total encounters over 4 years; ~4.4 million repatriations (including 3 million Title 42 expulsions).

Gotaways: Under Biden, ~1.6–1.8 million annually (peaking at ~400,000 in FY 2021, double Trump's high). Under Trump (second term), down 93% to ~132/day early on.
Deportations/Removals: Biden's administration matched Trump's ~1.5 million formal removals but emphasized border returns (775,000 in FY 2023 alone); total repatriations exceeded 4.4 million. Trump's second term saw ~135,000 in first 100 days (2025), on pace to surpass Biden's daily average slightly.
Net Unauthorized Growth: Minimal under Trump (~0.5 million total, offset by outflows). Under Biden, +3.5 million (2021–2023), with ~2/3 from illegal entries; growth slowed in late 2024 and likely reversed in 2025 under Trump due to deportations and deterrence.

Policy Impacts

Trump (2017–2021 & 2025–): Focused on deterrence via wall construction (458 miles built), "Remain in Mexico" asylum policy, and Title 42 expulsions. Result: Lower encounters but criticism for family separations. In 2025, rapid policy reversals (e.g., ending parole programs) led to 95% drops in encounters.
Biden (2021–2025): Initially reversed Trump policies (e.g., paused wall funding, expanded legal pathways like CHNV parole for 530,000). Encounters exploded amid global factors, but late-2024 asylum caps reduced them by 40%. Higher releases (35% of encounters) strained resources, though removal rates were comparable to Trump's (~50%).

In summary, illegal immigration attempts were far higher under Biden due to volume, but enforcement outcomes (e.g., removal percentages) were similar until Trump's 2025 crackdown reversed the trend dramatically. Net population growth reflects this disparity, though exact figures depend on undetected entries and outflows.
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JulieB67 · 2025-12-08T09:00:36-0600

Hentenza said:
What is that rest? The same one talked about at the beginning of the chapter which is the believer’s rest not the sabbath rest.

True

Hentenza said:
Remember that when the Bible was written there were no chapters or verse numbers so you have to read the reason for the conclusion in what is now chapter 4 by following the thread from chapter 3.

Exactly

Nithavela · 2025-12-08T09:00:25-0600

Considering the general lack of reactions to this thread, it seems that least on this board, people on the left don't care all that much.

Hentenza · 2025-12-08T08:58:49-0600

jonojim1337 said:
Free_Mind_Awarenessv3 on Instagram: "The sun proves we do not live on a globe. #nasalies #earthisflat"

124K likes, 2,104 comments - free_mind_awarenessv3 on October 17, 2025: "The sun proves we do not live on a globe. #nasalies #earthisflat".

www.instagram.com

Instagram apologetics. lol

I guess for you if it’s in social media then it must be true.

Apple Sky · 2025-12-08T08:58:21-0600

Jerry N. said:
Of course God is all-knowing, but he is not a scientist.

Jerry N. said:
You are being unfair to scientists, doctors, and engineers that believe in God and see His hand in all of creation.

And the ones that don't believe ?

Strong in Him · 2025-12-08T08:57:51-0600

Apple Sky said:
God knows all.

Yes, he does.
But he hasn't told us ALL in the Bible. That is not its purpose.
The Bible is about God, his character and nature and the relationship he wants to have with us; his creation. If people had to wade through thousands of pages which described creation scientifically and astronomically, no one would ever get to the end of Genesis, never mind anything else.

durangodawood · 2025-12-08T08:55:47-0600

Nithavela said:
3 dollars per gallon is obscenely cheap.

Not if you drive America sized vehicles.

Nithavela · 2025-12-08T08:55:01-0600

essentialsaltes said:
Trump struggles to persuade Americans to ignore affordability issues
President Donald Trump has said drug prices are falling by as much as 1,500 percent, a mathematical impossibility. He has declared himself “the affordability president,” while dismissing the affordability issue as “a con job by the Democrats.”

Trump also vows that good times are coming. He has predicted that gas prices, which now hover around $3 a gallon, will plummet to $2. He has promised Americans $2,000 refund checks from the revenue raised by tariffs. He has suggested that “in the not-too-distant future,” no one will have to pay income tax.

This flurry of sometimes extravagant claims comes amid a growing Republican fear, fueled by recent election results, that high prices could set the stage for a Democratic sweep in next year’s midterms. So far, there is little evidence that Trump’s urgent attempt to shift the economic storyline is working.

Strategists of both parties note that Trump - who has often seemed to defy the laws of politics - is struggling with the affordability issue as he has with few others. The president shrugged off criticism after he accepted a luxury plane from a foreign country, pardoned unsavory figures and demolished a third of the White House, for example - episodes that might be devastating to another politician.

Trump’s rhetoric has increasingly veered between insisting that he has sharply lowered prices and dismissing the entire issue as fraudulent. “I think affordability is the greatest con job,” Trump said at the White House recently - prompting Democratic strategist Dan Pfeiffer to post, “Expect to see this clip in approximately 1 million ads over the next the next 11 months.”

Data on prices has been spotty since the recent government shutdown, and the limited information is not promising. The government’s last report on inflation, released in October, showed it had heated up to 3 percent annually, a pace not seen since January.

[Touting Bidenomics didn't work for Biden], and candidate Trump took full advantage, promising to lower costs immediately upon entering the White House. “Starting the day I take the oath of office, I will rapidly drive prices down, and we will make America affordable again,” he said at a rally in Wilkes-Barre, Pennsylvania.

Now Trump and his aides have turned to blaming Biden for the economy’s current problems and saying no one could be expected to improve things that fast.

“If you look at every affordability crisis that’s confronting the American people today, it is traceable to a problem caused by Joe Biden and congressional Democrats,” Vice President JD Vance said at a recent Cabinet meeting.

[Of course, Biden handed Trump an inflation rate that was coming down, and now Trump has reversed that course.]

3 dollars per gallon is obscenely cheap.

Strong in Him · 2025-12-08T08:54:02-0600

Apple Sky said:
Yes I can,

Ok then.
From the Bible, explain to me the theory of relativity.
From the Bible, explain how God made the human body; why he gave us an appendix, tonsils or five fingers on each hand. How he decided we would have 23 pairs of chromosomes and so on.
Show me the passages in the Bible which explain osmosis or photosynthesis.
Where does it tell us that God decided to give birds, feathers and fish, gills?
How did God decide to give a giraffe a long neck and an elephant a trunk? Did you know that an elephant has 4,000 muscles in its trunk? Guess what? I learnt that at our local zoo, not from the Bible.

essentialsaltes · 2025-12-08T08:52:43-0600

Trump struggles to persuade Americans to ignore affordability issues

President Donald Trump has said drug prices are falling by as much as 1,500 percent, a mathematical impossibility. He has declared himself “the affordability president,” while dismissing the affordability issue as “a con job by the Democrats.”

Trump also vows that good times are coming. He has predicted that gas prices, which now hover around $3 a gallon, will plummet to $2. He has promised Americans $2,000 refund checks from the revenue raised by tariffs. He has suggested that “in the not-too-distant future,” no one will have to pay income tax.

This flurry of sometimes extravagant claims comes amid a growing Republican fear, fueled by recent election results, that high prices could set the stage for a Democratic sweep in next year’s midterms. So far, there is little evidence that Trump’s urgent attempt to shift the economic storyline is working.

Strategists of both parties note that Trump - who has often seemed to defy the laws of politics - is struggling with the affordability issue as he has with few others. The president shrugged off criticism after he accepted a luxury plane from a foreign country, pardoned unsavory figures and demolished a third of the White House, for example - episodes that might be devastating to another politician.

Trump’s rhetoric has increasingly veered between insisting that he has sharply lowered prices and dismissing the entire issue as fraudulent. “I think affordability is the greatest con job,” Trump said at the White House recently - prompting Democratic strategist Dan Pfeiffer to post, “Expect to see this clip in approximately 1 million ads over the next the next 11 months.”

Data on prices has been spotty since the recent government shutdown, and the limited information is not promising. The government’s last report on inflation, released in October, showed it had heated up to 3 percent annually, a pace not seen since January.

[Touting Bidenomics didn't work for Biden], and candidate Trump took full advantage, promising to lower costs immediately upon entering the White House. “Starting the day I take the oath of office, I will rapidly drive prices down, and we will make America affordable again,” he said at a rally in Wilkes-Barre, Pennsylvania.

Now Trump and his aides have turned to blaming Biden for the economy’s current problems and saying no one could be expected to improve things that fast.

“If you look at every affordability crisis that’s confronting the American people today, it is traceable to a problem caused by Joe Biden and congressional Democrats,” Vice President JD Vance said at a recent Cabinet meeting.

[Of course, Biden handed Trump an inflation rate that was coming down, and now Trump has reversed that course.]

tturt · 2025-12-08T08:50:45-0600

Why do celebrities' opinions matter?

eleos1954 · 2025-12-08T08:48:53-0600

peter2 said:
Helle Eleos.
Actually, I also assume she believed what Gabriel 'd told her about Jesus overall kingship (not just for her giving birth to the Lord), since Elisabeth 'd blessed her as the one that 'd believed.
Now, with Jesus, dead on the cross, just with this little writting on the top from Pilate, the only one testimony indicating his kingship, only jewish one, and not a general kingship, wouldn't not believing in his resurrection 'd meant disbelieving the word of God, through the angel's ?

well Jesus told all His disciples that He would be crucified ... Peter believed Jesus was the Christ, the powerful Son of God, and couldn't accept that the Christ would be defeated by death. Matthew 16:22

Like the disciples, Mary likely expected Jesus to be an earthly king, making the cross a bitter disappointment rather than a planned event, notes

Mary's faith was deep, but her human perspective struggled with the paradox of the Messiah's suffering

MarcusGregor · 2025-12-08T08:45:43-0600

FAITH-IN-HIM said:
No one here is defending drug smugglers, denying the fentanyl crisis in America, or suggesting we should not pursue those responsible for drug trafficking. We all agree on the importance of apprehending drug dealers, ensuring they are held accountable, and, if possible, eliminating the sources of these drugs.

Fentanyl isn't even what would be on these boats anyway. It's mostly cocaine the same drug the guy from Honduras was pardoned for by this same administration. Fentanyl comes from China almost exclusively. Why isn't this administration blowing up Chinese boats do you think?

Douggg · 2025-12-08T08:44:36-0600

Jerry N. · 2025-12-08T08:43:37-0600

Apple Sky said:
God knows all. It is quite clever that “scire” is also the root of
our modern word: “science” which just means: “knowledge.”
God is all science. God is all knowledge. Anything in science that
does not back up what God made/believes is faulty. Any science
that denies God is pseudoscience.

Of course God is all-knowing, but he is not a scientist. For thousands of years, man has been discovering and investigating the creation of God. God already knows, so He doesn’t investigate. For example, He doesn’t study how blood flows and works in the body. Scientists do that. We are to study His creation and appreciate the wonder of what God has done. It has only been in the last hundred years or so that many scientists reject God, but many study His work knowing full well that He designed things as they are for His glory. The Bible is the word of God, but He didn’t tell us about physics, chemistry, biology, and a host of other scientific fields, because that is not the purpose of the Bible. However, He gave us a brain so we can learn and glorify Him. It is like studying a work of art and seeing the character of the artist. You are being unfair to scientists, doctors, and engineers that believe in God and see His hand in all of creation.

FAITH-IN-HIM · 2025-12-08T08:39:21-0600

Oompa Loompa said:
Cartel drug smugglers are not uniformed combatants deserving of special rights and privileges. Especially after they rape the illegal immigrants the left loves so much before making them sex slaves to pay off their debts. Comparing these monsters to Japanese pilots is an insult to Imperial Japan. Pirates can be shot on sight, so why not drug smugglers?

No one here is defending drug smugglers, denying the fentanyl crisis in America, or suggesting we should not pursue those responsible for drug trafficking. We all agree on the importance of apprehending drug dealers, ensuring they are held accountable, and, if possible, eliminating the sources of these drugs.

The question remains: do we use our legal system in the same way as we have over the past 50 years? Do we rely on the Coast Guard to apprehend drug smugglers as we did for the last 50 years, or catch them at the border? Do we prosecute drug dealers after they are caught and proceed with the legal process as we have done for the past 50 years?

Or do we blow them up them at sea without going through any legal system?

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