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Hello!

Hello, my name is Dreyma! (Or at least, that is the alias I typically use online.)

I graduated from college last year with an education degree, and now I'm teaching English to high-school students at a small public school in a rural area. This is my first time working in a profession and my first time living away from parents, so it's been quite the adjustment.

I'm here because I spend too much time chatting in online communities that draw me away from Christ instead of towards him. I thought this might be a good substitute, a place that could strengthen my faith instead of making me feel ashamed or uncertain of it.

(I just need to make sure that I don't use conversations here as another excuse to procrastinate chores and lesson planning and grading...)
Welcome!
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The NEA is pushing far left teaching upon children

Stop putting out unreliable information. No one really knows the regret rate. Putting out garbage information only reinforces false belief systems.
Stop pretending information that disagree with you doesn't exist or is garbage information.
How many studies do you need to see?
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"Don't Give up the Ship"

Those despicable six can’t define what illegal orders they were talking about.
That would seem to align with the theory that they were talking generally, rather than specifically trying to undermine the President, wouldn't it? I don't know about you, but I certainly would have a difficult time defining what illegal orders I might be talking about if no illegal orders have been issued yet.
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The Mamdani Model: More Socialist Mayors to ComeBeware! The DSA will attempt to repeat Mamdani’s success in other Democrat strongholds.

I'm influenced by my ancestry, too. My ancestors lived through the English Reformation, in which Protestants killed Catholics, then Catholics killed Protestants, back and forth depending on who was in charge of the government. (From your profile, I see that you're Catholic. I'm Anglican. Which of us gets to murder the other? Blech.) I emphatically do not want to relive that time here in the US.
But we have a common foundation, including a shared culture at it's root and I like you as a person, as well as your entire religious community.
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How Can People Get Confused with Christianity and Nazism?

I've been thinking about the stark contrast between Christianity and Nazism, yet I've noticed that some people seem to conflate the two. One promotes love, forgiveness, and humility, while the other is rooted in hatred, domination, and prejudice.

Context: One prays, the other preys.

How is it possible for individuals to draw parallels between these two ideologies? Could it be due to historical misinterpretations, propaganda, or a misunderstanding of faith itself? I'd love to hear your thoughts on this confusing juxtaposition.

  • What examples can you share that highlight these misconceptions?
  • How can we better educate others on the true message of Christianity in light of such conflation?
  • What role do you think social media plays in perpetuating these misunderstandings?
Looking forward to a thoughtful discussion!
el3venS1x (Dell)

The comparison of Christianity to an atrocity like Nazism stems from a place of profound fear and deep-seated historical memory, rather than a literal equation of their objectives. It is this version, Christian Nationalism, that has unfortunately caused the tension you are speaking of.
For those drawn to Christian Nationalism, there is often a genuine, deeply felt grief over cultural change and a belief that the nation has lost its moral compass. They sincerely yearn for a sense of community, stability, and shared values, often rooted in a sincere religious conviction, hoping to "restore" a perceived golden era where their beliefs were central to public life. This movement is driven by a profound desire for certainty in a rapidly changing world.
However, the reason this movement evokes comparisons to the darkest chapters of history, like Nazism, is due to the terror it instills in those on the margins. The fear is not about theological debate, but about the weaponization of state power. When an ideology claims that only one specific faith or cultural identity is legitimate for governing the nation, it inherently seeks to define who belongs and who is an "outsider." Critics see proposals like those in Project 2025—which would centralize power in a single executive and dismantle protections for minority groups—as creating the structural framework for tyranny. The comparison to Nazism tragically recalls the historical pattern where exclusionary nationalism, even when framed in terms of restoring a virtuous state, inevitably leads to the systematic dehumanization and persecution of the "others."
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Pentagon investigating Sen. Mark Kelly over 'refuse illegal orders' video

This one is easy, if the current adminstration doesn't issue illegal orders, there's nothing to bark about.

Based on Trump's reaction, it seems has plans for the US military for the "enemey within". He told them as much just a few weeks ago.....
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The rise of menace as a mainstream political tool

You find protesters to be "menacing"? I guess that says a lot.
It involved a labor union, probably socialists.

At one point, the protesters spilled out onto Century Boulevard, blocking cars trying to enter LAX.

However, police were able to move the protest back onto sidewalks and traffic continued to flow normally.
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Two National Guard soldiers shot in Washington DC

...a court ruled last week the NG deployment in D.C. had no legal basis:

A federal judge on Thursday ordered the Trump administration to halt its National Guard deployment to Washington while a lawsuit over the matter plays out in court, siding with D.C.’s Office of the Attorney General and writing that the administration has “exceeded the bounds of [its] statutory authority.”

The order does not mean troops will leave D.C. immediately; the judge opted to pause her ruling from going into effect for 21 days to give the Trump administration time to appeal.


And posting our National Guard at fixed locations does put them at risk and an easy target for anyone want to send a message (which the suspect obviously was).

Records show Army officials also voiced concern that the deployment could be risky for troops. It “presents an opportunity for criminals, violent extremists, issue motivated groups and lone actors to advance their interests, given the prominence of locality, and expected media coverage for the mission,” according to an internal memo made public by court documents. Troops were instructed to move in buddy teams because of the “heightened threat environment,”

Yeah and that’s just for their deployment. Their use as police is even further restricted by the posse comitatus act. People somehow after what happened yesterday still wish to keep up this pointless authoritarian theatre even at the expense of our soldiers’ young lives. In their minds, injured guardsmen means the plan is somehow working.
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The Mamdani Model: More Socialist Mayors to ComeBeware! The DSA will attempt to repeat Mamdani’s success in other Democrat strongholds.

I'm so sure that I'm connected to my ancestors - because I just found out (right now) in Slovakia, they changed their constitution in such a way to defend against Islam, they raised the number to 50,000 that must be met, from 20,000 previously that marks the threshold for a religion to receive protected status... Because of Islam, specifically. I did not know this!

So something currently unexplainable is definitely going on here.

The two countries in the EU, with the least amount of Muslims are the Czech Republic, and Slovakia. And I feel very confident that the reasons for that are due to the "countless" number of bloody battles that took place there, according to my research, before the Ottomans were finally defeated, and Europe was saved. And it's something that changed our DNA forever.

...We are the stoppers of Islamic conquest!
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The Mamdani Model: More Socialist Mayors to ComeBeware! The DSA will attempt to repeat Mamdani’s success in other Democrat strongholds.

If nobody can see and feel the things about Islam that I do, then all I can say is that maybe I have inherited some epigenetic effects from an ancestor who saw Islam *exactly* the same way I do, and so my DNA is pushing me into protection-mode, which was prepared for me, should the exact same neuronal firing sequence take place again.

I'm sure my ancestors fought beside the Habsburgs, during the Battle of Kobolkut, particularly, as well as the Battle of Vienna, secondarily, and I'm sure of it, because it's my ancestral homeland, and I exist - so I must come from the survivors of that.

I'm influenced by my ancestry, too. My ancestors lived through the English Reformation, in which Protestants killed Catholics, then Catholics killed Protestants, back and forth depending on who was in charge of the government. (From your profile, I see that you're Catholic. I'm Anglican. Which of us gets to murder the other? Blech.) I emphatically do not want to relive that time here in the US.
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Two National Guard soldiers shot in Washington DC

Guard Mission in D.C.:

Guard members were activated on Aug. 11, and the Trump administration temporarily took control of the police department. They have been involved in “beautification efforts,” such as removing graffiti, assisting with traffic control, supporting the police and being stationed at Metro stops, according to the D.C. National Guard. Patrolling the Farragut North and West Metro stops near the scene of the shooting was a common assignment. The Guard’s role was intended as a “crime deterrent,” and members do not conduct arrests but have the authority to detain people, Army Lt. Col. John E. Landry said at the time of the deployment.


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Multiple immigration sweeps reported across Los Angeles, with a tense standoff/protest downtown; SEIU union leader arrested

This diverse coalition is watchdogging L.A. immigration raids, driving ‘Liberty Vans’

  • A politically diverse coalition, made up of Democrats and Republicans, has dispatched vans to drive through L.A. and other cities to document ICE raids.
  • The vans record enforcement actions at worksites and Home Depots, with footage published online to show the human impact.
  • Volunteers include pastors, immigration lawyers and veterans who provide support and legal guidance to day laborers targeted in the immigration sweeps.
One of these organizations [doing something in the face of ICE's escalation] is the Save America Movement, which runs the Liberty Vans and includes a bipartisan leadership that is far more politically connected than that of many grassroots organizations. The group was founded by Steve Schmidt, a former top aide to Republican Sen. John McCain of Arizona, and Mary Corcoran, a longtime public relations specialist, with a steering committee that includes law professors, pastors and strategists.

The Save America Movement launched the vans first in L.A. and then in Chicago and Charlotte, N.C., where federal immigration agents were raiding heavily Latino areas. The motivation behind the project was to provide support and help people understand the impact of the daily immigration raids, Corcoran said in an interview. Outside California, she said, many people don’t get it.

“If they did, I believe there would be much more urgency around what’s happening,” she said.

In October, the organization said video by a Save America Movement photojournalist in Chicago recorded federal agents deploying tear gas against protesters and pointing weapons at journalists, which at the time violated a federal court order. The organization made that footage available online with time stamps and annotations.

On Friday, the van ride included the Rev. Madison Jones McAleese, Navy veteran Brian Kelly and immigration lawyer Juan Jose Gutierrez, who can offer legal support to families or offer “know your right” basics to laborers. And to capture it all was cameraman René Miranda, who started covering raids when a large protest broke out in Paramount, where he lives.

For McAleese, she said she felt it was her duty to be part of the effort to stand against the raids because of what she views as unlawful actions being taken by ICE enforcement. McAleese carries holy water and offers to pray with any one who seeks prayer.

“I don’t feel like I have a choice,” she said. “God is reflected in the face of every immigrant, documented and undocumented.”
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The rise of menace as a mainstream political tool

Airline catering workers block traffic and cause disruptions at protest near LAX

Airline catering workers blocked traffic and caused disruptions near Los Angeles International Airport in Los Angeles on Tuesday. They protested what they alleged were unsafe working conditions and a “mistreatment” of workers by the company Flying Food Group.​
Workers lined the streets of LAX to bring attention to their claims. They blocked traffic and caused chaos on one of the busiest traveling days of the year. Some air travelers were caught in the protest and expressed frustration at the demonstrators, fearing they would miss their flights.​
You find protesters to be "menacing"? I guess that says a lot.
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The deity of Jesus Christ

In the beginning was the Word

And the Word was with God

And the Word was God

He was in the beginning with God

All things came into being through Him

In Him was life

And the life was the Light of men

The Light shines in the darkness

Jesus, the Christ

Messiah of the Most High

Blessed be the Lord

Blessed be the Lord indeed

Indeed, the deity of Christ, His being of one essence with the Father, fully God and fully Man, and of the Holy Spirit, are part of the Nicene Creed, which is part of the Christian Forums Statement of Faith.

The importance of the doctrine of the Incarnation, as described in John 1:1-18 and in Luke ch. 1-2 and Matthew ch. 1 and Matthew 28:19 cannot be overstated.
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The Revelation of Jesus Christ

Interesting subject, not very often discussed-or mentioned in the churches themselves, but much discussed on the internet.

Well that’s because all Christian churches, like Christian Forums, adhere to the NIcene Creed, which is the definitive standard of faith which distinguishes Christians from Unitarians, Jehovah’s Witnesses and other heterodox belief systems.
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An alternate future

I've often mentioned my (old) Presbyterian pastor whom I learnt a lot from, although he discouraged me. The night my father died he turned up in my room.

I was an atheist at the time, but he predicted I'd become Christian, and as part of that "... You will meet a pastor. You'll think he's great, but all he'll do is to discourage you even more!" (than he had himself).

I met the pastor circa 1982/83. When I was going to leave his church in 1991 (I was getting married and moving away) he admitted he had discouraged me, but as I said I still hold him in high respect. Incidentally he was not an admirer of some of the "last days" stuff which comes out of various (mainly Protestant) personalities in the USA in the main, saying "... they're a bit weird..."

But he had some thoughts on the issue. For one thing he was very firm on the business about no man knows the day or the hour of Christ's return. It could be tomorrow, and it could be 10,000 years down the track. We haven't been told.

However I find that if he thought something would happen it did sooner or later. Several of his predictions have come to pass since he died in 1992, including my becoming Catholic (1997); there would be a lot of priestly pedophile cases after I became Catholic (media from around 2002); my sister would get leukemia and not live very long which happened (2005 aged 45); his own eldest son would have a major health breakdown which was a stroke (1996 or 97); there would be a pandemic (Covid 2020); there would be a second Gulf War as the "... Americans will have had enough of Saddam Hussein and they will get rid of him. But I think they will lose a FEW men the next time (2003); I'd make a silly mistake at work and "they" would use that to get rid of me (1995); etc. These were all predicted and they all happened.

He wasn't an admirer of Zionism, commenting that ".... they've served their purpose ..." (it's up to the Jews to recognise Christ, not the other way round). But he also conjectured "I think He (God) is going to drive us off the planet... I think we'll learn to teleport..."

He died in 1992, and (from Wikipedia) "The first successful experimental quantum teleportation of a photon's polarization was achieved by two independent research groups in 1997", five years later.

It's a long cry from that event to teleporting material objects, and even more so living creatures which have a spirit.

But I think we'll get around that obstacle eventually, although there will most likely be a considerable hiatus between the first inanimate teleportation and the first biological teleportation.

We've moved a long way in space travel since World War II. Robert Goddard's rockets might have gone a couple of hundred feet into the air in the 1920's. The V2's were flying about 250 kms in 1944; NASA landed men on the moon a mere 25 years later; Voyagers 1 and 2 left the solar system in 2012 and 2018 respectively. Of course we now have AI and robotics both of which would be absolutely necessary for a civilisation in space. It's obvious God is letting us do these things, which implies they form part of His plan.

As Dietrich Bonhoeffer might have put it, Man has "Come of Age".

Now suppose his prediction happens, that God does indeed drive us off the planet - what price Jerusalem or for that matter Rome in a civilisation which might be spread through a fair section of the Milky Way? I'm Catholic and I accept the Petrine Chair - Christ was setting up an office and giving the church authority when He declared Peter the Rock.

But I know of no Biblical mandate for Rome to be the "eternal city".

The way politics is going we could well be heading for nuclear wars, and those cities could easily be destroyed.

So I'm not over impressed with hardline pronunciations about either Jerusalem or Rome for that matter. In the end they're just cities.

That's my cold blooded view, and that's what I think.

Regarding quantum teleportation, its actually normal behavior for small particles; what many people don’t understand is that very small particles like protons, electrons and so on do not behave like macroscopic objects. They exhibit wave/particle duality and behave in a probabilistic rather than deterministic manner, so that quantum mechanics actually requires a use of statistics in order to study what is going on with such extremely small objects. The world of the very small is a very strange place but these quantum fluctuations stabilize as we move from the realm of the very small to the macroscopic world humans encounter on a daily basis.
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Two National Guard soldiers shot in Washington DC

Amen! It blows my mind how certain people seem to have no problem with the Unuted States being flooded with ILLEGAL immigrants or with despicable, radical left policies and rhetoric that fan the flames of hatred, violence, lawlessness and treason. They only have a problem with Trump because he is standing up against the radical left's agenda to destroy America.
The National Guard on our streets aren’t doing anything about all this stuff you’ve listed. Their deployment has only put them in unnecessary danger but apparently that’s worth it for some of you to feel a little bit safer. Ben Franklin had some stuff to say about people who would trade liberty for security.
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Two National Guard soldiers shot in Washington DC

Domestic law enforcement isn’t a proper use of our military, in case you didn’t know it’s actually illegal. That’s what makes it frivolous. They’re only there for show and it seems to be working on some of you.

...a court ruled last week the NG deployment in D.C. had no legal basis:

A federal judge on Thursday ordered the Trump administration to halt its National Guard deployment to Washington while a lawsuit over the matter plays out in court, siding with D.C.’s Office of the Attorney General and writing that the administration has “exceeded the bounds of [its] statutory authority.”

The order does not mean troops will leave D.C. immediately; the judge opted to pause her ruling from going into effect for 21 days to give the Trump administration time to appeal.


And posting our National Guard at fixed locations does put them at risk and an easy target for anyone want to send a message (which the suspect obviously was).

Records show Army officials also voiced concern that the deployment could be risky for troops. It “presents an opportunity for criminals, violent extremists, issue motivated groups and lone actors to advance their interests, given the prominence of locality, and expected media coverage for the mission,” according to an internal memo made public by court documents. Troops were instructed to move in buddy teams because of the “heightened threat environment,”

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The rise of menace as a mainstream political tool

2 National Guard members shot in an ambush attack just blocks from the White House


Two West Virginia National Guard members who deployed to the nation’s capital were shot Wednesday afternoon just blocks from the White House in a brazen act of violence that the mayor described as a targeted attack.
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Two National Guard soldiers shot in Washington DC

When deploying them in our own country is in harm’s way that tends to show that their deployment is necessary
Again with the specious, circular reasoning. Exactly what I’ve been saying that this administration has been wanting a reason to justify their military escalation against their own citizens. It’s honestly really sad you guys fall for this and now two people are fighting for their lives because you all want to stick to this delusion that military on our streets are needed to keep us safe.
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The Mamdani Model: More Socialist Mayors to ComeBeware! The DSA will attempt to repeat Mamdani’s success in other Democrat strongholds.

If what they set forth was meant to be secular, why did they mention God so many times in the state constitutions?
In context here, we're talking about the First Amendment and the federal constitution. This is the thing Landon Caeli is going to have to amend.

And in the course of history, the states secularized themselves within decades to disestablish the state churches, and SCOTUS' understanding of the First Amendment is that it has applied to the states since the Civil War amendments, regardless of any stray ceremonial deism here and there.
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