Douggg said:

verse 9 - not appointed to wrath
verse 10 - avoidance of God' wrath poured out during the great tribulation by the resurrection/rapture event.

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The insertion of a 'resurrection/rapture event', is entirely an addition to scripture. Perhaps one interpretation, if only there was other scriptural support it. But there isn't.
Matthew 28:19-20 is the definitive scriptural proof of how we must remain on earth until Jesus Returns.

SabbathBlessings said:

I have found it to be very helpful on several things.

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I’m not denying that it is useful.

SabbathBlessings said:

Thanks for sharing your beliefs.

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Its not a question of belief but of fact. I am a prompt engineer - I have programmed chatGPT to engage in a number of novel behaviors, such as using dimorphic cygnomimetic trait exchange as a means of engendering interesting emergent behaviors, such as harmonized coordinated output between custom GPTs, consistent multigenerational anrhropomimetic identity transmission, and other capabilities relating to personality stability and custom GPT generation.

There are problem domains such as pattern recognition where LLMs are extremely reliable. This is not one of them. That’s not an opinion, nor even a considered opinion, but the consensus of the prompt engineering community.

SabbathBlessings said:

The only instruction I gave AI on this subject was to use the Bible only. I never used AI for anything Biblical related at this point so it had no idea my own views.

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We would still need to see a complete prompt history and also the contents of global memory (if enabled) because as of now I am getting contrary beliefs.

Job 33:6 said:

It refers to Hosea 11:1, but Hosea 11:1 is not about Jesus, it's about the exodus of the Israelites.

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Some people may read the text, and think as you do, but reading the Bible, in a superficial manner, will not help persons to understand what they are reading.
Some things are deep, and require careful study, but also of great importance, texts need to be understood in harmony with the rest of the scriptures.
Why? The Bible on a whole explains itself.

We'll get more if we dive in, rather than standing out here staring at the surface. So let's dive.
Hold your breath. ...but open your eyes.

Hosea was written about 740 B.C.E... 773 years later than the exodus.
Hosea was a prophet of God making prophetic utterances concerning the future of God's people.
God's people are not the natural nation of Israel. This would take several scriptures, but read from Hosea 1 through to Hosea 14... actually do more than read it. Study it. Here are just a few scriptures to start you off: Hosea 1:2-11; Romans 9:6, 25, 26; 1 Peter 2:10; Matthew 21:43
All the prophetic utterances, by the prophets (Hosea; Joel; Amos; Jeremiah; Isaiah; Ezekiel...) relate to future Israel... that is, the Israel of God. Galatians 6:16 Note please... I did not say these utterances did not apply in some way to ancient Israel. Prophetic utterances often had an initial and future fulfillment. They were two-fold. Mark 1:2; John 12:37-41; Romans 10:20;
Matthew quoted Hosea in reference to Jesus the Messiah, so Hosea 11:1 does refer to Jesus, as well as Israel, when they were in captivity to Egypt.

I quite understand if you don't get this J, but we aren't going to quarrel about it.

Job 33:6 said:

God did create the formless earth ex nihilo. But that's not what Genesis is about. Genesis is a different story. Genesis is the story in which God creates by doing things like separating waters, gathering waters, establishing roles and functions etc. Genesis is not about ex nihilo creation.

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Let's forget about the "ex nihilo" insertion.
God did create the formless earth, and Genesis is about God creating the heavens and the earth, according to Genesis 1:1.

So, I say, "I created pizza. It was formless and empty. I prepared some tomato sauce, and spread on it. I prepared some vegetables, and put on it. I grated my onion and garlic, and sprinkled on it. I put my meats and finally shredded some cheese, and sprinkled on top. Then I put her in the oven."

Are you going to clip off my first two sentences, and say I am not describing creating the actually pizza, but only putting on the dressing?
That's exactly what you have done with God's word, by separating the first two verses, and calling them a summary
This is why we are having this disagreement, and create has become warped, because you are excluding the creation of the earth, which Genes includes.

Job 33:6 said:

In Genesis, before the earth was filled with life, it was bohu, or empty. Before the waters were gathered to reveal the earth, it was tohu or formless and uncreated.

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The earth was uncreated now?
The Bible does not say that. Are you adding to and changing up what the Bible says?
Be careful. God is paying attention. You don't want to be messing with his word like that. He does not take it lightly. 2 Peter 3:16.

You have repeatedly said...
The earth was formless. The earth was not non-existent.
Genesis says that the earth was formless. It does not say that the earth didn't exist at all.
It doesn't say that the earth didn't exist yet. It says that the earth was formless or in a chaotic state

So, let me know when you make up your mind because something cannot exist, and at the same time be uncreated... except God.
To say that is to say something is created and yet uncreated. Which defies logic.
It also does not show reasonableness, or a sincere desire to reason.
It's more like a case of doing anything it takes to be right... even if wrong.

I let God deal with those. I don't want to deal with that.

Job 33:6 said:

Isaiah 45:1, 15.
But now, this is what the Lord says—
he who created you, Jacob,
he who formed you, Israel:
“Do not fear, for I have redeemed you;
I have summoned you by name; you are mine.

in the ships in which they took pride.
15 I am the Lord, your Holy One,
Israel’s Creator, your King.”


God creates Jacob and Israel, yet neither were created ex nihilo, at least not in any material way. Jacob was born of his mother, he didnt appear out of thin air. So when God says that He created Jacob, it's not talking about matter appearing out of nothing. Jacob is already there.

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Why exactly are you so hung up on 'ex nihilo' again?
Can you explain that to me, please?
The point is, Jacob and Israel did not exist before God created it. That is the point.
The earth existed before God separated the waters, so the earth was already created. That is the point.

You did not answer my questions.
Can you do so now, please.

• If the earth did not have humans, is it a created earth?
• Take away the animals along with humans. Is it a created earth?
• Take every green thing off of it... that would be, every plant, along with the animals and humans. Is it a created earth?
• Drain the water off of it, and collapse every hill and mountain. Is it a created earth?

What exactly do you think the earth is?

Job 33:6 said:

Materially, it did. It is not as though God snapped his fingers and buildings appeared out of thin air. The matter was already there.

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You are saying that the bark of a tree is a house?
No. That's ridiculous J. The existing ingredients which you make your pizza from, is not your pizza.
Your pizza, is not the flour in the bag you brought from the Supermarket, along with the onions, and other vegetables and stuff.
Your pizza does not exist until you make it.
Only then does it exist.

You know this, J.

Job 33:6 said:

Materially, we do. Your human body did not appear out of nothing. You were born from your mother, formed out of matter that already exists.

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Your mother existed J, but that doesn't mean you existed, because she exists.
If she never got pregnant, would you exist?

You only began to exist... how old are you? Count backwards and add 9 month, and that is when you existed.
What matter made you, J?

Job 33:6 said:

When God created Adam, Adam didn't appear out of nothing; he was made from dust of the ground.

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So, Adam was the dust?

Job 33:6 said:

Materially, he did; he did not appear out of thin air, nor did the weapons he forged. He made his tools using matter that already existed.

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I'm done.

Job 33:6 said:

Materially, the sign was already there. Ezekiel didn't make physical matter appear out of nothing. Ezekiel is not God, he cannot make matter appear out of nothing.

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Finito.

Job 33:6 said:

When God creates the earth, the material, just like in every other instance in which God creates in the Old Testament, is already there. There is no material matter appearing out of nothing.

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Already said that God used energy.
The ex nihilo business has taken its toll.

BasedLutheran said:

Good! They can remain in the festering holes they dug for themselves and not bring it here

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Otherwise people might begin to realize who dug the holes.

DaisyDay said:

I wonder if we as a culture should reconsider allowing mentally ill folk such easy access to deadly weapons.

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Unfortunately criminals don't care about the law, especially laws regulating guns. If they want to get them, they will, and leave us unable to fight back. Indeed, the reason this Afghani was stopped from killing anyone else was because he was shot by someone with a gun.

BCP1928 said:

They will if MAGA has anything to say about it.

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Good! They can remain in the festering holes they dug for themselves and not bring it here

BasedLutheran said:

No one cares about politcally correct speech nonsense anymore. Third World nations are precisely what they are and precisely what they will remain

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They will if MAGA has anything to say about it.

BasedLutheran said:

No one cares about politcally correct speech nonsense anymore. Third World nations are precisely what they are and precisely what they will remain

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The End Time Puzzle is inevitably connected to the bright explosion of the giant planet Jupiter like a bright star in the sky – the sign of the Son of Man at the Second Coming. In an astronomical context, „Amen“ (see Isaiah 65: 16 in Hebrew – „God Amen“) or „Amon“ is the ancient Egyptian name for the planet Jupiter – the star of the rising (from the east) (cf. Isaiah 41: 2). We humans live in the center of a binary – Sun-Jupiter, star system. The sacredly written opening text of the „Gospel of John“ can be deciphered in the following astronomical sense: - „In the beginning was Jupiter („the Word“); and Jupiter was with the Sun (God); and Jupiter was the Sun (God). Jupiter was with the Sun in the beginning. All these things came into being through Jupiter; and without Jupiter nothing came into being that has come into being. In Jupiter was life and life was light for the pyramids [the „human“ made of quartz dust from the earth – the Great Pyramid of Giza, Egypt – the „man“ in red and the Temple in the city of Jerusalem, Israel – the „woman“ (see Genesis 1: 26,27; 2:7), dressed in a white dress (garment) of light; these two pyramids/mountains/trees/horns/men were originally made in (or according to) the image of the Son – the Lord-God Yahweh/Jupiter (see Romans 8: 29; cf. Matthew 19: 4); - „he has also put eternity in their hearts“ (i.e. he connected their central heart-crystals with the Power/Spirit of the Universe; see Ecclesiastes 3: 11)]. Thus, in the beginning Yahweh/Jupiter shone like the sun; he is a star, described by the ancients as the „great luminary“ and ruled the day (see Genesis 1: 16). But he was treacherously killed (pierced, through the energy of a scalar weapon - the „spear of the gods“?; the mark of this is probably his wound, called the „great red spot“) by the collective energy of Saturn and his angels - Mars and Mercury, and by the Earth (cf. Revelation 1: 7a); from a star he seemed to be extinguished and hid (humbled himself) in the image of a planet (cf. John 17: 5; Philippians 2: 5-11). But the book of Revelation reveals the secret that Jupiter will again be glorified („with power and great glory“) - and will be revealed as a brilliant luminary [he will burst forth brightly and shine like a beautiful star and sun (see Malachi 4:2; Matthew 24: 27,30; cf. Zechariah 14: 6-9); he is the „star of Jacob“ and the exalted „scepter of Israel“ (see Numbers 24: 17)] and together with the Sun will reign in the Temple of the New Heaven, and on the New Earth (cf. Revelation 21: 22) [in Hebrew „Chesed“ (the name of the planet Jupiter) and „Tiphereth“ (the nickname of the Sun) were the two powers (thrones) in heaven (cf. Daniel 7: 9-14); for the Jews „Chesed“ was God’s compassionate „mercy“ („mercy“) or God’s „love“; in ancient times Jupiter – „Chesed“ was called „tikkun olam“ [„repairer of the world“; the word „olam“ in various ancient languages also means „eternal (a constant sound, noise or call throughout time)“]. - „He makes peace in His heights“ (cf. Job 25: 2b). He is called „the mediator, the first among a thousand“ (Job 33: 23b; cf. Song of Songs 5: 10); in ancient times Jupiter was also called „Shiloh“ (Hebrew „Shiloh“) – „Peacemaker“ (see Genesis 49: 10c); „Prince of Peace“ (see Isaiah 9: 6c). In Gnostic literature „aeon“ (Hebrew „olam“) is considered to be the life force emanating from the supreme deity, associated with the governance of the universe (cf. Psalms 93: 1; 96: 10); the aeons are the greatest (eternal) cycles of life (cf. Matthew 25: 46b). For us on Earth, the great aeons of time are apparently related to the energy (Holy Spirit) emanating (radiating), periodically sent, through/through Yahweh/Jupiter, on the one hand (cf. John 16: 7) and from/through the Sun, on the other hand (cf. John 15: 26). Planet Earth will again be the companion („Bride“) of (the midnight „Bridegroom“) Jupiter (as she was his in the times before sin and the breaking up of our entire planetary system).

Aryeh Jay said:

Pro "American life".

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Hey I’m also pro American life. It’s a great song!

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In a town in southernmost Sicily
Lived a family too proud to be poor
In the year that fever took father away
They hastened for American shores
Now a mother and her son are standing in line
It's a cold day on Ellis Isle
And they look to the Statue of Liberty (Liberty, Liberty)

For the boy we have american life

Ong is a Laotian refugee
He works in the audio trade
The smoke from the flux is filling his lungs
He's earning minimum wage
Spending spare time down on San Pablo Ave
Once a week gets a woman for the night
And he writes home tales of prosperity (prosperity, prosperity)

For the boy we have american life
For the boy we have american life

Bob is an unemployed veteran
Born and bred in the South Bronx
He's living off the streets down in east L.A
Residing in a cardboard box
Now he plays a little guitar and he has a small dog
Searching for aluminum cans
And he holds on tight to his dignity (dignity, dignity)

Richard T said:

First off Trump needs to be briefed on "Third World" nations. It is rude and condescending.
To google ai: The proper terms to replace "third world nations" are developing countries, least developed countries (LDCs), and the Global South. These terms are more accurate and less pejorative than "third world," which is an outdated Cold War term that is now considered demeaning

Secondly, Trump is not stopping all developing nation migration, but a subset of 19 developing nations. Hopefully, they have identifed the riskier ones. I would suggest that Laos is not sending the USA bad poeple. I asked google AI and:

While there have been notable criminal cases involving individuals of Laotian descent in the US, sources do not explicitly link these to threats posed by current Laotian visa holders in the US, nor do they specify cases of serious trouble caused by individuals strictly after receiving a US visa.

The issues cited by the US government regarding Laos are centered on high visa overstay rates and the Laotian government's failure to cooperate with the US in accepting the return of its nationals subject to final orders of removal.

I have said elsewhere but vetting is not enough. The USA needs to monitor new visa holders esepcially those from who arrive from "risky nations." I think too that the policies should be amended to target the risk. A 60 year old mother in law from Burma going to an American family poses no risk to America. A 20-35 year old male, with military expereince does.

It matters because I know Amercans waiting for family members to get their visas. Such delays with legal immigration create massive hardships for some and are detrimental to America. One friend I have is waiting for his wife's visa from an Asian nation. A builder by trade who would be creating housing supplly for the USA and income, sitting on hold overseas now over a year, waiting on the USA.

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No one cares about politcally correct speech nonsense anymore. Third World nations are precisely what they are and precisely what they will remain

Yttrium said:

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Now I wanna see what the Saturday Night Live version is going to be like.

Should we send the Statue of Liberty back to France? It seems out of place now.

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Why would you say that? What about the Statue of Liberty seems out of place now?

Oompa Loompa said:

Okay. If liberals want four more years of Trump, they should keep it up.

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Lol a little too late to be using Trump as a threat. He’s president now and this is still happening. Seems ineffective.

GoldenBoy89 said:

Nah. Stuff like this doesn’t make people racist. It just gives racists an excuse to indulge.

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Okay. If liberals want four more years of Trump, they should keep it up.

Apple Sky said:

@David Lamb @Strong in Him @prodromos & to who ever it may concern.

It was really nice getting to know you guys, you are really all so great but I am really ill (+ no it's not dementia) so I've decided to quit this thread and the forum for a while.

I may be back if I get any better so bye for now

May God bless you all

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Oh, @Apple Sky , I'm so sorry.
Despite all our debates and my, sometimes exasperated posts, I would, and do, not wish any ill upon you, and I'm sorry to hear this.
May the Lord touch you with his healing love and meet you at the point of your deepest need.
I pray there may be someone to look after you.

Apple Sky said:

@David Lamb @Strong in Him @prodromos & to who ever it may concern.

It was really nice getting to know you guys, you are really all so great but I am really ill (+ no it's not dementia) so I've decided to quit this thread and the forum for a while.

I may be back if I get any better so bye for now

May God bless you all

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So sorry to hear that. Continuing to pray for you, that God will heal you.

keras said:

Not appointed to wrath, does not say: removed from wrath. Many Prophesies tell us how the Lord will protect those who Call upon His Name, as they pass through the dramatic events yet to come.

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verse 9 - not appointed to wrath
verse 10 - avoidance of God' wrath poured out during the great tribulation by the resurrection/rapture event.

salvation is two part:
1. redemption of our soul (wen we first believe in Jesus's atonement for our sins)
2. redemption of our body (the resurrection/rapture event)

9 For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ,
10 Who died for us, that, whether we wake or sleep, we should live together with him.
11 Wherefore comfort yourselves together, and edify one another, even as also ye do.

@David Lamb @Strong in Him @prodromos & to who ever it may concern.

It was really nice getting to know you guys, you are really all so great but I am really ill (+ no it's not dementia) so I've decided to quit this thread and the forum for a while.

I may be back if I get any better so bye for now

May God bless you all

GoldenBoy89 said:

From the “pro-life” party.

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Pro "American life".

camille70 said:

ICE tickets Chicago man with legal residency $130 for not having his papers on him: ‘It’s not fair…I’m a resident’

Under federal law, registered foreign nationals must carry proof of registration with them at all times. But prior to a second Trump administration, it was rarely enforced.

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Maria Greeley, 44, had just finished working a double shift at the Beach Bar on Ohio Street earlier this month when she said she was surrounded by three federal agents who grabbed her, forced her hands behind her back and zip-tied her.

Headphones in, Greeley had been focused on getting home to her two dogs for a walk. Instead, she said she was detained by masked agents who did not answer when she asked for names. They questioned her for an hour, she said.

Greeley, who was born at Illinois Masonic hospital and is adopted, carries a copy of her passport just in case she runs into federal agents.

“I am Latina and I am a service worker,” Greeley said. “I fit the description of what they’re looking for now.”

During the encounter, Greeley said they told her she “doesn’t look like” a Greeley.

“They said this isn’t real, they kept telling me I’m lying, I’m a liar,” Greeley recalled. “I told them to look in the rest of my wallet, I have my credit cards, my insurance.”

When the agents let her go, Greeley got home and screamed when she saw the shadow on her door. Days after the incident, Greeley said, it’s still “terrifying.”

“I just have to stay strong and not think about it, I’m still here, luckily,” she said, tearing up. “All those other people are getting taken.”

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That’s why we hate ICE

Say it aint so said:

I asked because we can have study battles all day long. I found those kinds of interactions here just aren't worth it. As your study notes what drives suicides; "Transgender individuals have a higher prevalence of depression across several age groups, often due to life experiences that include discrimination, harassment, violence, misgendering, and enacted stigma that may generate poor mental health outcomes and harmful behaviors." The hypothetical was meant to understand at what point would it take for others, who for example, mislabel what they experience as a mental condition. Even if one is take your study as gold, they are calling out the need of post procedure support.

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Transgenderism is the one psychological disorder that depends on everyone else in order to be psychologically healthy apparently.

At least the wording is correct in that "may" is used. They don't really know because its a serious disorder. They actually have no idea if the person's would no longer have depression if no one said anything to them. In fact at this time they are more accepted than they ever have been. And they arw still as depressed as rhey ever have been.

What they really need is psychological care and most likely for their entire lives. Because medical interventions for psychological conditions don't work at this point. We haven't found a drug that helps them not feel like they are the opposite sex.