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BCP1928 · 2025-12-17T11:02:30-0600

I hope the people at NOAA have their resumes up to date,

BCP1928 · 2025-12-17T11:00:13-0600

stevevw said:
This is a logical fallacy. Show me where I said I expect people to take what I presented as fact. I have merely argue that it should be accepted full stop regardless of whether its correct or not. That it should be looked at with the same level of openness as someone would to anything. Not assume its BS before its even looked at.

So you have been sitting there stewing and laughing at your own strawmen you have created in your head over what you believe I am saying and not what I am actually saying lol.

What you are saying is that if the ancients possessed technical skills we don't know about those skills must have been acquired by other than the usual way technical skills are acquired.

Warden_of_the_Storm · 2025-12-17T10:59:14-0600

stevevw said:
This is a logical fallacy. Show me where I said I expect people to take what I presented as fact. I have merely argue that it should be accepted full stop regardless of whether its correct or not. That it should be looked at with the same level of openness as someone would to anything. Not assume its BS before its even looked at.

So you have been sitting there stewing and laughing at your own strawmen you have created in your head over what you believe I am saying and not what I am actually saying lol.

You need to stop claiming commentary that you don't like as logical fallacies or strawmen. It doesn't make your look smarter than you think you are. And we don't need to invent anything when your own words are all the evidence we need to support our words about you. In fact, your own words of "I have merely argue that it should be accepted full stop regardless of whether its correct or not." is exactly what I'm talking about.

We can easily say something is BS when we look at it because it IS BS. Which exactly what we see from our contributions to your own thread.

essentialsaltes · 2025-12-17T10:58:52-0600

In 2006, when the US National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration, or NOAA, released the first-ever Arctic Report Card, scientists already knew the top of the world was in trouble.

It’s now much worse, according to the 20th edition of the report, which tracks the health of the polar region across multiple indicators.

The last 10 years have been the Arctic’s hottest 10 on record. Warm Atlantic waters have pushed into the central Arctic Ocean, hastening the loss of sea ice. With less ice to reflect sunlight back into space, and faster-melting snow, the region is primed to warm further. And as Arctic permafrost thaws, it releases more heat-trapping carbon dioxide into the atmosphere.

From October 2024 to September 2025, Arctic-wide surface air temperatures were the warmest in at least 125 years. (Hydrologists typically measure the year from Oct. 1 to Sept. 30 to better align with seasonal rainfall and snowmelt cycles.)
Precipitation over the same period was the highest since 1950. Overall, the atmosphere over the Arctic is becoming more moisture-laden, causing more extreme precipitation events, including atmospheric rivers that can cover large expanses with rain or snow.
The yearly peak coverage of sea ice in March was the smallest observed in 47 years of satellite records, while summer sea ice coverage was 28% smaller than two decades ago.
The ice isn’t just shrinking; it’s also getting younger and thinner. The oldest, thickest ice in the Arctic — the kind that stays frozen for four years or more — has declined by more than 95% since the 1980s.
As permafrost thaws, it appears to be releasing iron and other elements into rivers and streams. This may explain why over 200 watersheds in Alaska have turned orange in the past decade, a phenomenon called rusting.

The report card itself.

Tom8907 · 2025-12-17T10:58:14-0600

The Story

Another moving story from Open Doors that highlights Christ I'd like to share with you.

We learn of a man from Nigeria, Joshua, he went through the horror of being blinded by militants.

But that wasn't all- his wife also left him after his injuries. Family members- they kept their distance. I don't think many of us reading would comprehend the feelings he must have gone through. Praise God for Open Doors helping him through a trauma relief centre.

Joshua knows that in this life he will remain blind but, in Christ, in heaven and the new earth his sight will be restored and he will worship Christ throughout all eternity.

Joshua worships Christ- Lazarus had two funerals, the second being his last and his bones remaining, but Christ's tomb has long been empty and it will forever be so!

Christ in all this

This just shows that in this life, even what appeared to be the strongest of bonds can shatter- whether by ourselves, other people or some other circumstance. But you know who never left Joshua and who will never leave those of us believers? Christ (God the Son). He never left Joshua and He will never leave you!

This Christmas let us reflect on the glory of Christ, God the Son, the One who created the universe, coming into the manger in order to save His people from their sin (and the hell they deserve with it). Let us reflect that after He came, the world would never be the same!

stevevw · 2025-12-17T10:53:21-0600

Warden_of_the_Storm said:
Laughing faces, not smiley faces. Means that I find your commentary laughable and hilarious, light on facts and evidence.

You want to post commentary on a forum for physical and material science, then don't be a child and start winging petulantly because no-one takes your claims about 'advanced knowledge' and other such BS seriously without actual evidence.

Your entire line of logic is exactly as I said; you make claims and expect people to take them as fact just because you say so. That's not science in anyway shape or form. It's wishful thinking from you only.

This is a logical fallacy. Show me where I said I expect people to take what I presented as fact. I have merely argue that it should be looked at and give a fair chance regardless of whether its correct or not. That it should be looked at with the same level of openness as someone would to anything. Not assume its BS before its even looked at.

I bet you don't even know what I have actually said do you. Tell me what my claim is exactly. Tell me exactl;y what I have said that is not a reasonable thing to say or propose. That has been proven as BS. I bet you can't.

So you have been sitting there stewing and laughing at your own strawmen you have created in your head over what you believe I am saying and not what I am actually saying lol. Whats actually funny is that you have persisted in being concerned with this thread now for over 1,500 posts. If it was all BS then why continue to be fixated on it.

Are you just trolling now lol.

Apple Sky · 2025-12-17T10:51:24-0600

The late Rob Skiba read some FOIA documents from the Soviet Union that described research studying the brilliance of the firmament.

The dome of earth is lowest around Antarctica.

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it is extremely cold there with, we are told packed ice from two to three miles high. Antarctica is a ring of ice on the periphery of flat earth. The dome of earth, aka the firmament, springs from the Antarctic ice ring. It is here on Antarctica blue ice is found.

Joseph Nazzaro
Ph.D. from University of Wales (Graduated 1978)Jun 21

stevevw · 2025-12-17T10:49:10-0600

Stopped_lurking said:
No, he didn't do any tests did he? He just speculated. You were the one who brought him up, as if he supported your position.

Why would twist my word like that? I just don't understand why you would bring him up as supporting your argument.

We're done here.

I am going off the same article and it clearly says that Pierre Protzen had done tests. Just after his reference is linked it says "Even though their experiments have been able to shed some light on the techniques".

That clearly implies they had done tests to support their findings. In fact the author was referencing them as support that despite experiements being done by Protzen and Stella Nair questions still remained. He was using Protzen as a credible source. You referred to him as a credible source when you referred to him. Otherwise why refer to him.

RDKirk · 2025-12-17T10:47:11-0600

fhansen said:
Either way, as social beings who're responsible for being our brother's keeper, I'll definiterly come down on the side of nodding to the need for a soundly worked out social justice plan that correctly defines social justice such that coordinated efforts can be made to strive to right wrongs as the needs arise.

The Body of Christ does not have the spiritual or material power or authority to make a social justice plan applicable to the world.

We're supposed to do that for the Body of Christ, where we have the Holy Spirit to act in our behalf, but we've been failing even at that.

peter2 · 2025-12-17T10:46:09-0600

Maria Billingsley said:
Of course Allah exists for the Muslim just as G_d exists for the Jews and it is the same God that the Christian's worship however, the big difference is access.

" No one can come to the Father except through me". Jesus Christ of Nazareth

No access, not heard.

What you need to be concerned with is your attempt to test your Father through other means in other words, you think there is power where there is none and more egregious was your attempt to cause harm to yourself for proof.

Sorry to be so candid, your post was very unsettling.

Be blessed.

Thank you for your answer, Maria, and sorry to cause your trouble.
My only aim was for the sake or truth, and to avoid people getting lost in Islam.
I have not pulled back my prayer to muslim Allah, nor shall i do, for the same reasons
Hope my benevolent motives'll help you accept the whole thing

Hentenza · 2025-12-17T10:46:02-0600

Crickets. @SabbathBlessings and @BobRyan

Any comments?

Apple Sky · 2025-12-17T10:45:04-0600

And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so. Genesis 1:7

Warden_of_the_Storm · 2025-12-17T10:44:27-0600

stevevw said:
Good to see you are still with us besides the smiley faces lol.

You point out an important destinction. Well actually overlook it and assume its all make believe. I assume your talking about believing at face value what the ancients say themselves. What their experiences and beliefs are saying in the myths, legends and stories they tell.

This is a different kind of evidence to material science and especially the hard sciences like physics, engineering and chemistry in relation to the works.

But its not just make believe either. So its an important part of the evidence.

My main point was that this knowledge exists and its part of the equation in working out whether the ancients had alternative and advanced knowledge. Your can't just measure this by material science such as chemistry or physics. This does not tell us how they gained the knowledge.

Laughing faces, not smiley faces. Means that I find your commentary laughable and hilarious, light on facts and evidence.

You want to post commentary on a forum for physical and material science, then don't be a child and start winging petulantly because no-one takes your claims about 'advanced knowledge' and other such BS seriously without actual evidence.

Your entire line of logic is exactly as I said; you make claims and expect people to take them as fact just because you say so. That's not science in anyway shape or form. It's wishful thinking from you only.

BCP1928 · 2025-12-17T10:43:05-0600

stevevw said:
Good to see you are still with us besides the smiley faces lol.

You point out an important destinction. Well actually overlook it and assume its all make believe. I assume your talking about believing at face value what the ancients say themselves. What their experiences and beliefs are saying in the myths, legends and stories they tell.

This is a different kind of evidence to material science and especially the hard sciences like physics, engineering and chemistry in relation to the works.

But its not just make believe either. So its an important part of the evidence.

My main point was that this knowledge exists and its part of the equation in working out whether the ancients had alternative and advanced knowledge. Your can't just measure this by material science such as chemistry or physics. This does not tell us how they gained the knowledge.

Neither do you.

fhansen · 2025-12-17T10:39:08-0600

Mercy Shown said:
I agree that Christians are not called to apathy or indifference toward suffering. Scripture is clear that love for neighbor matters and that faith expresses itself through love (Gal. 5:6). At the same time, the New Testament places a clear priority on the mission Christ actually gave His church.

Jesus’ earthly ministry was unique and unrepeatable—He came to reveal the Father and accomplish redemption (John 1:14; John 17:4). After His resurrection, He did not commission His followers to reform every social evil, but to proclaim reconciliation with God through Him (Matt. 28:18–20; 2 Cor. 5:18–20). The apostles lived under brutal injustice, poverty, and oppression, yet their primary calling remained the preaching of the gospel rather than organizing political or social movements.

That does not mean Christians should ignore suffering or refuse to help where they are able. Scripture encourages generosity, mercy, and care for those in need (Matt. 25:35–40; James 1:27). But it also cautions us against assuming that we can—or are called to—carry the weight of every global injustice. We are finite, and God has not entrusted every cause to every believer.

Our role, then, is not to “do nothing,” nor is it to shoulder every moral crisis of the world. It is to walk faithfully in the good works God has prepared for us (Eph. 2:10), while keeping the gospel central. Social good can flow from transformed hearts, but it is not a substitute for the message of reconciliation itself (Rom. 1:16).

In short, Christians are called to act in love where God places them, without losing sight of the primary mission Christ gave His church—to bear witness to Him.

I think we can't separate proclaiming the good news from doing good for others, from fighting for victims against injustices done. Love simply calls for both. And, yes, the great commission is primary and we can only do as much as is possible for us to do but, if somehow we had the capability of reforming every soical evil then it would be incumbent upon us to do it. And in Matt 25 Jesus actually defined a criteria for salvation, separating the sheep from the goats, according to what they did "for the least of these".

Either way, as social beings who're responsible for being our brother's keeper, I'll definiterly come down on the side of nodding to the need for a soundly worked out social justice plan that correctly defines social justice such that coordinated efforts can be made to strive to right wrongs as the needs arise.

stevevw · 2025-12-17T10:39:06-0600

Warden_of_the_Storm said:
I see Steve's still going with the "These people and I say it's true, therefore you have to accept what they and I say. No investigating for yourself or let others investigate. Just accept what we say and that's it." line of bad logic.

Good to see you are still with us besides the smiley faces lol.

You point out an important destinction. Well actually overlook it and assume its all make believe. I assume your talking about believing at face value what the ancients say themselves. What their experiences and beliefs are saying in the myths, legends and stories they tell.

This is a different kind of evidence to material science and especially the hard sciences like physics, engineering and chemistry in relation to the works.

But its not just make believe either. So its an important part of the evidence.

My main point was that this knowledge exists and its part of the equation in working out whether the ancients had alternative and advanced knowledge. Your can't just measure this by material science such as chemistry or physics. This does not tell us how they gained the knowledge.

Hentenza · 2025-12-17T10:39:02-0600

SabbathBlessings said:
Just like we are adopted in and part of the promises Gal3:26-29. Israel was never meant to be literal but represented God's people who He called Israel His son Exo4:22, if it was literal that would mean Adam.

So the people calling themselves Israel that waited at the bottom of the mountain and that Moses addressed were not Israel?

What is not literal is Exodus 4:22 even though Israel was indeed Gods first born but it does not refer to Adam.

SabbathBlessings said:
And yet you teach that those who follow Jesus do not listen to His words Mark2:27

Nope. Never taught that but you do as you ignore verse 28. You refuse to give up your legalistic ideology.

SabbathBlessings said:
or follow in His example Luke4:16 1John2:6 or believe His own written and spoken Testimony Exo31:18 that He promised not to alter His words Psa89:23 Deut4:13 why He says to hold fast My covenant Isa56:6 not toss it aside.

Already addressed these.

SabbathBlessings said:
How does one address an argument that doesn't exist in Scripture. Trying to reason with someone who thinks their words are the same as God's words, is not fruitful.

Exactly. Your argument is not scriptural. You read your doctrines into the scriptures and then pretend that error works. You need to actually read what the result of Jesus redemptive sacrifice means and what the actual definition and application of justification is.

SabbathBlessings said:
This usually goes into the same place, and we are not able to reason together, so I am moving on. God will sort this out soon enough.

We can’t reason together because you are a hostage to your legalistic doctrines. The Bible is super clear that the law is not part of the new covenant and that Christ nailed it to the cross. But you want believers to return to the law that profits nothing so that they can save themselves and become slaves again.

I know that you are not moving on because you can’t stand it not having the last word. Another trait of legalism.

BCP1928 · 2025-12-17T10:36:52-0600

Say it aint so said:
Again. So says Paul.

Actually, it's alledgedly Peter who said it. Paul just thought he was writing letters of advice to his various congregations. What Peter actually said was, "...just as our dear brother Paul also wrote you with the wisdom that God gave him" which actually undercuts the notion that Paul's words were actually God's words. It doesn't help that while Peter's authorship of 1 Peter is regarded as established, the authorship of 2 Peter in which that quote occurs has been debated since antiquity.

Say it aint so · 2025-12-17T10:34:44-0600

dogs4thewin said:
yes, but he is trying to address the illegal version very different from the stuff used in hospitals and otherwise under medical direction.

I find this whole thing rather meaningless. Trump cuts funding for addiction treatment programs to cover the tax cuts, and then makes this rather meaningless proclamation. No different than supply side economics, it's not supply that creates demand. It's the demand that creates the supply. We can't control what cartels do in other countries, that's a game of whack-o-mo. Shooting boats that aren't even headed to the US is just the nonsense Trump's Chief of Staff just laid out. We do however have the power to effect what happens within our own borders.

Strong in Him · 2025-12-17T10:32:53-0600

truthuprootsevil said:
Not sure what you're saying. You seem to be saying the Lord will send his wrath "like a thief" and the return of Jesus will not be like a thief.

I think Keras believes there will be a "day of the Lord" - which was what OT Jews were looking forward to - aka outpouring of God's wrath, THEN Jesus will return.
I haven't worked out how our Lord's return will be "as a thief in the night" and on a day and hour that no one is expecting, and be in about 15-20 years time after certain other things have happened.

No doubt Keras has some sort of explanation; whether it is Scriptural, is another matter.

Hentenza · 2025-12-17T10:26:02-0600

eleos1954 said:
Grace & Law: Grace isn't freedom from God's law but power to keep it. Christ's sacrifice made atonement, allowing believers to live righteously, not by earning salvation but by receiving God's imputed righteousness through faith.

You didn’t finish the circular logic. As long as we keep the law and are obedient. So you add to salvation by the grace of God through faith. Now it us salvation by faith and works if the law.

Tell me, did the law showed the way to repentance?

DaisyDay · 2025-12-17T10:25:53-0600

rjs330 said:
I've only repeated truth that has been going on for many centuries and are demonstrable facts. Facts that continue TODAY among the Islamist belief systems that have been and still are functioning in rhe world around us TODAY.

Are you just ignoring things on purpose? I think you are. Because I have said exactly what you just did. But you just ignored that.

I most certainly am not wrong about Islamists. They are the most dangerous groups in the world today. And they have been coming to the west in droves trying to alter our societies.

Denmark finally work up to the situation and others are starting to.

The problem is the repeated, constant conflating all Muslims with Islamists.

truthuprootsevil · 2025-12-17T10:25:30-0600

timewerx said:
Sadly, Christians and Jews are hated for the wrong reasons. Not for being Christ-like. The most damning reason of hatred of Christianity is hypocrisy.

I can only give the reason quoted from the Bible.

When I look at mankind as a whole there is hatred for certain nations of people who are not fully Christian or not Christians at all, who may be a different color, or cultural difference. Power hungry countries who will step on less fortunate countries, no love, or liking of any kind there. The world is full of hatred!

Blessing to you

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