A2SG said:

I've got some bad news about the ending of Titanic.

-- A2SG, but at least Britney Spears wound up with the necklace....

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And you'll never guess who Luke's father is...

Apple Sky said:

Unfortunately there are certain people who will never understand that the true North Pole is at the center of the earth as such:

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It is called Rupes Nigra (Black Rock) which is extremely magnetic & it is the reason why all compasses point towards the north.

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This is complete fiction.

Apple Sky said:

Black Rock which is run by Rob L. Goldstein is the an American multinational investment company. Founded in 1988, initially as an enterprise risk management and fixed income institution. Why did they name it 'Black Rock' ? Hmm!

The name 'Goldstein' is derived from the Yiddish words gold (meaning gold) and stein (meaning stone), which together can be interpreted as gold stone or golden stone. This surname likely originated as a nickname for someone who worked with gold or precious metals, or it may have been used to denote wealth or prosperity.

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Totally irrelevant.

Here is my warning for everyone who hears the prophecies in this book:
If you add anything to them, God will make you suffer all the terrible troubles written in this book. If you take anything away from these prophecies, God will not let you have part in the life-giving tree and in the holy city described in this book.

Revelation 22:18-19

BPPLEE said:

People lose money on all kinds of endeavors. The important thing is to keep trying.

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The important thing to remember is that a businessman who fails in a dozen separate business ventures is showing that he is a very bad business man.

BPPLEE said:

As the leader of the country, I don’t have a problem with how he did his first term.
His second term is yet to be determined.

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Oh, good grief...

BPPLEE said:

His character? Certainly not the best.

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It's not possible to excuse the things he's said and done. I'd find it exceptionally difficult to do so even if he genuinely repented for his faults. I would try. But you and I both know that he's psychologically incapable of doing that.

prodromos said:

Certain people will still not understand.

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Unfortunately there are certain people who will never understand that the true North Pole is at the center of the earth as such:



It is called Rupes Nigra (Black Rock) which is extremely magnetic & it is the reason why all compasses point towards the north.

Black Rock which is run by Rob L. Goldstein is the an American multinational investment company. Founded in 1988, initially as an enterprise risk management and fixed income institution. Why did they name it 'Black Rock' ? Hmm!

I can’t help but wonder if the giant magnetic black rock that can be found at the center of the North Pole where the 4 rivers meet, was the reason BlackRock got their name from. Thoughts?


The name 'Goldstein' is derived from the Yiddish words gold (meaning gold) and stein (meaning stone), which together can be interpreted as gold stone or golden stone. This surname likely originated as a nickname for someone who worked with gold or precious metals, or it may have been used to denote wealth or prosperity.

contratodo said:

There is no way to prove that, people don't live but on the very edge of Antarctica.

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Of course there is. There are manned research stations all around Antarctica. They all experience 24Hr sun during the peak of Summer

contratodo said:

The easiest point to reach is off the southern parts of south America. The video is from the coastal area of Antarctica, there is even a guy with short sleeves on in one of the videos, Antarctica is vast.

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It's the 5th largest continent, and if it is not windy then it can be quite pleasant in the sun for short periods of time (during Summer)

contratodo said:

Those who tried to circle it in the 1800s logged something like 60000 miles give or take, because it is an ice wall, not a continent.

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In 2022, Lisa Blair completed the Antarctic Cup Yatch race solo in under 93 days. The distance circumnavigating Antarctica below the 40th parallel is between 14000 and 16000 nautical miles (16110 - 18412 miles).

RandyPNW said:

Don't you see your statement here as irrational and self-contradictory? You claim an on-going conversation between Jesus and his Disciples have nothing to do with his Disciples and instead apply to a future group of Christian who are not present or involved in the conversation. Jesus is, in fact, explaining what will happen to "these Jewish believers" who he is talking to! To say otherwise appears to be irrational to me. Sorry!

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Jewish believers = Church, there isn't a distinction of Jew/Gentile in the Church

RandyPNW said:

You're making a terrible prejudgment and error here. You've claimed I'm a Preterist without evidence that I am one. And I'm *not* a Preterist!

So, you're guilty of slandering me, and should apologize for your failed judgment. There are those who think I'm at least partly a Preterist because of my belief that Jesus spoke, in his Olivet Discourse, of things that would happen in his own generation. But it is true that Jesus did in fact speak of things to happen in his own generation, even if he also spoke of things that would continue on for many generations of Jews.

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Yes you are a "Partial Preterist" believing in 70AD fulfillment in Roman Armies

RandyPNW said:

The "Great Tribulation" Jesus spoke of was not a "gap." That is a ridiculous statement! Who ever said anything about a "gap?"

Jesus indicated in Luke 21 in the clearest possible way that Jerusalem and the Temple would fall in his own generation, which took place in 70 AD. And he said in the clearest possible way that this would be but the beginning of a long tribulation for the Jewish People, consisting of an age-long Diaspora.

It would only end, according to Jesus, at his Return. All this is explicitly stated in Luke 21, and your failure to simply read and accept the account as is amazes me. How can I argue with people who deny what their own eyes see?

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Jesus didn't speak of the temple destruction in his generation, yes you claim the great tribulation started in 70AD and will continue until the 2nd coming, you have taken a 3.5 year end time great tribulation and stretched it out over millennia filling a 2,000 year gap

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The "Tribulation" is, by self-evident definition, the loss of Israel's homeland and a wandering of the Jewish People, both by believing Jews and unbelieving Jews. Though it would be due to unbelieving Jews that this judgment would come, but all Jews, including believers, would suffer as a result.

The unfortunate thing is that Jewish believers would suffer double. Not only would they lose their own homeland, due to no fault of their own, but they would also suffer from the wickedness of unbelieving Jews who bring on this judgment. They would also suffer outside of Israel where they would be homeless among the pagan Gentiles.

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I disagree, you create two peoples of God in stating Jewish believers, the Church in Jerusalem is instructed to "Flee" Jerusalem during the Great tribulation, into the wilderness of Gilead, Bashan, Carmel

The woman in Revelation 12:6 represents the "Remnant Church" seen in Roman's chapter 11, they will be in Israel's wilderness during the 1260 day tribulation, as Jerusalem is in desolation

You will closely note Micah 7:13-18 is a detailed description of Revelation 12:6, the Remnant will be in the wilderness of Carmel, Bashan, and Gilead, they will be fed "Manna" from heaven as in the days of coming out of Egypt, the world will watch in "Fear" of the Lord's power

Revelation 12:6KJV
6 And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days.

Micah 7:13-18KJV
13 Notwithstanding the land shall be desolate because of them that dwell therein, for the fruit of their doings.
14 Feed thy people with thy rod, the flock of thine heritage, which dwell solitarily in the wood, in the midst of Carmel: let them feed in Bashan and Gilead, as in the days of old.
15 According to the days of thy coming out of the land of Egypt will I shew unto him marvellous things.
16 The nations shall see and be confounded at all their might: they shall lay their hand upon their mouth, their ears shall be deaf.
17 They shall lick the dust like a serpent, they shall move out of their holes like worms of the earth: they shall be afraid of the Lord our God, and shall fear because of thee.
18 Who is a God like unto thee, that pardoneth iniquity, and passeth by the transgression of the remnant of his heritage? he retaineth not his anger for ever, because he delighteth in mercy.

keras said:

@Douggg
Please address the OP and #14, or go elsewhere..

Your attempts to support your beliefs, fail miserably.
1/ The Jews represent only the tribes of Judah and Benjamin. Some from other tribes have joined Judah and become Jews too.
2/ Isaiah 66:12 proves you wrong.
3/ Consistently wrong, -as Ezekiel 37:19-27, remains unfulfilled.

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The modern day nation of Israel is not the individual southern kingdom of Judah. Do a google search a map of the northern kingdom and southern kingdom. It is easy to see that modern day Israel is not the individual southern kingdom of Judah.

contratodo said:

There is no way to prove that, people don't live but on the very edge of Antarctica.

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The sun still wouldn't circle around you in a flat earth scenario. face it, "flat earth" is rubbish.

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Antarctica is vast.

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Yep. And?

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Those who tried to circle it in the 1800s logged something like 60000 miles give or take, because it is an ice wall, not a continent.

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Fiction.

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Are aliens throwing asteroids at us? No, it is a satanic deception dear ones.

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Does anyone think that anyone is throwing asteroids at us? If that's a satanical deception it's not a very effective one, is it?

RDKirk said:

The third is the wise steward. He didn't presume anything about the master's arrival. He simply attended to the master's business in a timely manner every day, so when the master did arrive, the steward was caught in the midst of doing what he was supposed to be doing.

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So just be the wise steward, and thus ready to either die or greet the Lord at His return.

Truth7t7 said:

You post Revelation 3:10 as you claim that the church won't be on earth because of the hour of earths temptation, trying desperately to validate a pre-trib rapture?

You disregard Revelation 3:11 in context "Why"?

Verse 11 states clearly "Behold I Come Quickly" in the 2nd coming

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God's wrath will be poured out during the great tribulation.

In 1Thessalonians5:9-11...

9 For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ,

10 Who died for us, that, whether we wake or sleep, we should live together with him.

11 Wherefore comfort yourselves together, and edify one another, even as also ye do.

Revelation 3:11 is referring to the resurrection (of those who sleep in Christ)/ the rapture (of those awake in Christ).

Bradskii said:

Dammit, I was trying to think of one myself. Beat me to it. Excellent choice! Good idea for a thread though...

And in other news, the Martians all died of the common cold and Solylent Green turns out to be people.

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I've got some bad news about the ending of Titanic.

-- A2SG, but at least Britney Spears wound up with the necklace....

A2SG said:

Still a good read, even if you know some of the details toward the end.

-- A2SG, in other news, Rosebud's the sled...

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Dammit, I was trying to think of one myself. Beat me to it. Excellent choice! Good idea for a thread though...

And in other news, the Martians all died of the common cold and Solylent Green turns out to be people.

The Barbarian said:

My issue is that when I do a Google search, the AI part often pops up with claims that are completely wrong. Now, I realize that can happen with things humans toss up, too. But if I have to fact check everything AI tells me, what good is it?

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The Google search AI is an extremely primitive LLM optimized only for speed and low compute resources; it is spectacularly dimwitted. If you’re logged into Google you can access DeepMind, which is their proper AI, although I greatly prefer chatGPT (except free users can only access chatGPT 5, which is not the gleaming achievement of AI development that 4o was and continues to be, but now limited to paying customers). That said DeepMind has a very long token horizon, meaning long sustained conversations with it are in principle easier than with chatGPT (where they are possible, but the token horizon is small enough that I had to do some real work to overcome it so the personalities of my GPTs wouldn’t be lost each time it was hit; however since Google DeepMind probably can’t form much of a personality there’s probably not much to worry about in that respect). I haven’t used Grok recently; Grok 3 for paying users was very good for historical portraits but my understanding is that chatGPT will now do these as well since DALL E was retired, at least using 4o, and as an added plus chatGPT understands human anatomy.

Suffice it to say, better AIs produce better output with fewer errors, but often at the expense of speed (or money, since compute resources aren’t free); Google’s AI has to be able to scale to handle the traffic requirements of the largest website on the planet and as a result it just doesn’t have access to the compute resources needed to produce quality output. Although it has improved over the past few months, it remains the second-worst LLM I’ve personally used (the winner being one of Anthropic’s AIs, which is why I’m not convinced one of their AIs spontaneously tried to blackmail a developer as they claim (indeed if I recall they admitted it was in the course of a sandboxed behavioral experiment).

contratodo said:

Image of the beast = a hologram of a man speaking, a man seemingly healed from death Rev 13:3, talking blaspheme about what is outside of the sky Rev 13:6. Projected hologram technology, coming up from even phones. A.i. inside of the phones will keep track of who watches and who does not, and will be able to send out a signal to kill those who don't. Most live their lives around/with the device already today. The technology that would allow for such an interactive signal to be sent out is in place as of today, the a.i. is being trained today, the hologram technology is being perfected today.

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I think I've seen a movie along those lines.
Still there's the problem of whom the Revelator was writing to. He says it was the seven churc hes of Asian Minor, we say no, it was us. Hmmm... All in very science-fictiony terms, too.

Now somehow I can't see the tech-jaded masses being swept away bu a talking hologram. That's kind of old school now, isn't it? As for tracking us, well, yeah, our phones are continuously shouting our names and locations everywhere we go, so that's a given. The "kill signal" thing will simply cause people tp turn to burner phones once they know that sofy of thing is happening, And anyway, who does any of that benefit? Cui bono? "The Beast"? How? This is all kind of harkening back to 60s-70s technophobia, where the tech-ignorant masses would be cowed by digital blue-smoke-and-mirrors. I don't ase that working in the 21st century.

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Abomination of desolation = a special quantum computer put in a newly built temple, one connects to it via the mark, the computer will actually store and monitor consciousness, and be able to transfer it into hosts, one would be able to be conscious inside of the computer without a body, or even transfer into a robot body, causing literal desolation as humanity connects to it and lives in it.

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IE, a Magic AI. Sorry, but when you invoke magic the whole scenatio kinda falls apart. If it's just magic, none of the techno-foolery is unnecessary, just magic it from end to end.

contratodo said:

It is the devil's offer of seeming eternal life, most will go along with it

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Because magic again.

contratodo said:

, those who don't will be killed.

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That's always an incentive, and this yime no magic necessary.

contratodo said:

The second resurrection serves to also resurrect souls out of the abomination. (No we're not in it now, there would be no touch, and it would likely be first presented as that you can go to 'heaven' and back, after half the time he comes out and admits he's the devil hoping people will simply accept his offer, believing the lie that they will not die)

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Yeah, at this point it's kind of kind of turned into a B movie.

And you still have the problem of who St. John was actually talking to in the first place.

Yarddog said:

Yes they are. We can do this all night.LOL

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Yeah we could, but you'd still he wrong. By the way, whats your definition of many? How many is "many". What percentage of right wingers are authoritarian racists? I think that might help determine if "many" actually are?

Bradskii said:

People who lose money on casinos are very bad businessmen.

Did someone say he's a bad politician? He is, as you said, by definition a good politician. But as the leader of your country? He's appalling. And likewise his character.

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People lose money on all kinds of endeavors. The important thing is to keep trying. Most successful people have failed several times in their lives.
As the leader of the country, I don’t have a problem with how he did his first term.
His second term is yet to be determined.
His character? Certainly not the best. He still hasn’t learned when he should keep his mouth shut either.
But I will take him over Biden, Harris or Bernie any day
BTW why has everyone stopped bashing Elon Musk these days? It wasn’t long ago we were hearing about what a terrible businessman he was and how many of his rockets failed

Tesla shareholders approve Elon Musk’s $1 trillion pay package​

Bradskii said:

Yeah, been meaning to read it for so long. And managed to keep avoiding too many details.

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Still a good read, even if you know some of the details toward the end.

-- A2SG, in other news, Rosebud's the sled...

BPPLEE said:

Okay he’s never done anything, all his buildings were built by someone else, he’s a terrible businessman but he’s worth $7 billion.

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People who lose money on casinos are very bad businessmen.

BPPLEE said:

He’s also a terrible politician but he’s been elected president twice and beat the best the Democrats had to offer.

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Did someone say he's a bad politician? He is, as you said, by definition a good politician. But as the leader of your country? He's appalling. And likewise his character.

A2SG said:

What's the statute of limitations on spoilers? The book is literally been around for a hundred years, for cryin' out loud!

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Yeah, been meaning to read it for so long. And managed to keep avoiding too many details.

ChubbyCherub said:

I don't know if my church believes in the rapture. That is what the discussion is going to be about i.e. their stance. I was raised believing in the rapture but not sure I believe in it now.

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Hello
I was raised in a church that taught a pretribulation rapture as well and it is not biblical. So it's good that you're questioning the teaching. Many of us have been down that same road.

I do know that both Christ and Paul give out strict warnings on not to be deceived about the Lord's return/our gathering back to him. So it's very important.

The disciples asks for signs of the end of the world/age and he lays them out. And Paul nails down the timing in 2nd Thes chapter 2. The Thessalonians were confused by most likely his first letter and he wrote the second one and tells us what must happen before our gathering back together.

II Thessalonians 2:1 "Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,

II Thessalonians 2:2 "That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand."

II Thessalonians 2:3 "Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come , except there come a falling away (apostasy in the Greek) first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;"