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tgg · 2025-10-13T14:05:03-0500

I agree that they should be disciplined and possibly fired. They are there not just to teach the three R's, but to also be good role models for the children.

FAITH-IN-HIM · 2025-10-13T14:04:00-0500

FreeinChrist said:
This statement of Jim Jordan's strikes me as blasphemous.

I think Pope Leo has a clearer idea of what is the Lord's work.

“feed the hungry, give water to thirsty, give shelter to stranger, clothed the naked, look after the sick, visit those who are in prison. (Matt 25) , take care the widow ( Acts 6), give justice to the weak and fatherless ( Psalm 82) take care immigrants ( Deut 10:19 / Psalm 146)”.

tgg · 2025-10-13T14:02:44-0500

I'm glad that Charlie has reached out to the future generations and got them returning to church. There is no Australian branch of Turning Point at present, but I'm hoping one will be set up very soon to bring our youth back to Christ.

keras · 2025-10-13T13:59:33-0500

Jeffrey Bowden said:
We will be snatched away from Earth immediately before the start of the Trib

Those who promote and teach false theories and wrong doctrines, will be held accountable at their Judgment.
Using Revelation 4:1 as a proof of a general rapture, is plainly wrong and destroys the whole 'rapture; belief.

PloverWing · 2025-10-13T13:56:46-0500

After a little googling, I found the letter here: Let Us Pray | Great Britain

I suggest that the Let Us Pray folks would do well to work with the UK government to carefully craft legislation that protects people from the harm of conversion therapy, while also protecting religious speech and practice, as far as this can be done. That line lies somewhere in the freedom-of-speech area, and it's a matter of figuring out when the speech crosses the line from offending people (which is protected speech) to yelling 'fire' in a crowded theatre (which is not protected speech). This is not easy legislation to write.

The Church of England seems to have reflected thoughtfully on this question. See, for example, this document from February 2024: https://www.churchofengland.org/sit...tions-on-conversion-therapy-february-2024.pdf

o_mlly · 2025-10-13T13:54:41-0500

Hans Blaster said:
Then could you rephrase your question. It left some ambiguity.

What ambiguity needs clarification?

o_mlly said:
I accept your definition. If one has a "right" does that fact imply others have a duty to respect that right, and not to do so is "wrong"?

o_mlly · 2025-10-13T13:51:01-0500

River Jordan said:
By itself with no other context (as Tour presented it), no.

?

River Jordan said:
Right, that's a statement of fact. But as I explained before the key context that supports human/chimp common ancestry (specific to similarity percentage) is how the amount of similarity stacks up relative to our similarity to other organisms.

Can you square your apparent contradiction?

River Jordan said:
The "specific genetic sequences in common" have been one of my main points since the start.

I understand. So, therefore organisms that do not share "specific genetic sequences in common" is evidence that they do not share a common ancestor.

River Jordan said:
That's a complete non sequitur.

No, it's not. Are you aware of the criteria for determining the level of confidence in evidence that support scientific claims?

Repeatable experiments.
Directly measurable.
Prospective study.
Avoid bias.
Avoid assumptions.
Make reasonable claims.

Evolution theory, on the other hand makes claims that:

Can’t be repeated
Nobody witnessed the actual event.
Retrospective study
Clear opportunities for bias.
Many assumptions are required.
Overstated claims.

Overstated claims? Here's a high school biology textbook's overstated claim: “For example, organisms as dissimilar as humans and bacteria share genes inherited for a a very distant common ancestor.” (Campbell Biology, 9th Ed. P. 463.)

River Jordan said:
He is either ignorant of, or deliberately omitting the key context that I've posted about, both of which erode his credibility on the subject. Since he's a chemist and not a biologist, evolutionary biologist, or geneticist that's not exactly a surprise.

Those personal (ad hominem) attacks, ie., the poster is ignorant, or the poster is unfair -- are typical from evolution believer when presented with evidence of rationales that attack their biased claims.

RocksInMyHead · 2025-10-13T13:48:45-0500

Servus said:
Anything but simply being respectful.

I've been respectful. Your evasiveness, non-answers, and bad-faith arguments, on the other hand...

Servus said:
President Trump has cited Title 10, U.S. Code, Section 12406 as the authority to deploy the National Guard to protect federal personnel and property.

§12406. National Guard in Federal service: call
Whenever-
(1) the United States, or any of the Commonwealths or possessions, is invaded or is in danger of invasion by a foreign nation;
(2) there is a rebellion or danger of a rebellion against the authority of the Government of the United States; or
(3) the President is unable with the regular forces to execute the laws of the United States;

See, that wasn't so hard.

Now, let's discuss.

Servus said:
§12406. National Guard in Federal service: call
Whenever-
(1) the United States, or any of the Commonwealths or possessions, is invaded or is in danger of invasion by a foreign nation;

Clearly not the case.

Servus said:
(2) there is a rebellion or danger of a rebellion against the authority of the Government of the United States; or

Also clearly not the case.

Servus said:
(3) the President is unable with the regular forces to execute the laws of the United States;

Also clearly not the case - ICE is still arresting people and deporting them.

prodromos · 2025-10-13T13:48:00-0500

Apple Sky said:
When ?

In all his promotion for the kit. I've shown you this before, multiple times.

PTW · 2025-10-13T13:47:47-0500

Ethan

FAITH-IN-HIM · 2025-10-13T13:47:36-0500

JosephZ said:
Getting the hostages released was a great achievement, and Trump and his administration should be acknowledged for that, but Trump saying "the war is over" and “we have peace in the Middle East” is premature and means very little at this point. Netanyahu has made it clear that the fight isn't over, and Hamas has rejected proposals for disarming or leaving Gaza. Unfortunately, this so-called "peace deal" is likely to be nothing more than a temporary ceasefire. We should be celebrating the return of the hostages, but it's way too early to be celebrating the end of the war.

I do not hold President Trump accountable for delivering an optimistic address; it is important for him to project encouragement and optimism in pursuit of substantive outcomes. Nevertheless, as President Reagan famously stated, "Trust but verify"—it remains essential that both parties uphold their respective commitments. Today marks a positive development; however, future challenges may arise, and time will reveal the results.

FreeinChrist · 2025-10-13T13:45:39-0500

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Hesitantly reopening.

rockytopva · 2025-10-13T13:44:31-0500

I have invested in the Macro (or the way up)
And have sold on the Micro (or the way down)

To great capital gain

rockytopva · 2025-10-13T13:43:42-0500

And to graphically portray this thinking...

rockytopva · 2025-10-13T13:42:27-0500

For decades I had no need to explore anymore into this philosophy as there was so much wonderful experience inside the Pentecostal Holiness church. Now the revivals are behind us I see the need to delve back into this study… Especially as a movement can easily pass from hot to lukewarm to cold these days...

If E = mc2 then we can divide and conclude that...

Mass (m) = Energy (E/c2)

And there are three varieties...

Natural E/c2 - All mass is basically cooled plasma
Mental E/c2 - Mentally, A mathematical formula, but this has chemical and spiritual properties as well.
Spiritual E/c2 - E (motivation, warmth, love) / c2 (faith, hope, charity, joy)

This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all. - 1 John 1:5

God can take mass and turn it into plasma... God can take the plasma and reform it into mass. All to his will and imagination... No man being his counselor. Even then... How would we humans know to create living things out of the dust alone?

Unfortunately, though, the light and the darkness interact here on planet Earth...Comparing the light and the darkness, the opposite of E/c2 would be z (absolute zero)/ d (darkness)...

Natural z/d - Nothing, empty space.
Mental z/d - Again nothing but empty space.
Spiritual z/d - z (laziness, coldness, hatred) / d (fear, despair, greed, sorrow)

Spiritually then we have...

Spiritual E/c2 - E (motivation, warmth, love) / c2 (faith, hope, charity, joy)
**** The World of the Flesh - Everything in-between
Spiritual z/d - z (laziness, coldness, hatred) / d (fear, despair, greed, sorrow)

4 And these things write we unto you, that your joy may be full.
5 This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all.
6 If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth: - 1 John 1

FAITH-IN-HIM · 2025-10-13T13:41:33-0500

Vambram said:
Trump lauded by MSNBC, liberal media figures for securing Israel peace deal

Members of the liberal media offered President Donald Trump praise for his role in the Middle East peace deal, which led to the release of all 20 living Israeli hostages on Monday.

www.foxnews.com

Even well-known Democrats are praising President Trump for this peace deal.

What not to celebrate. After two long years, people are finally able to gather in the streets, reconnecting with loved ones and holding onto hope that this occasion will be different from the previous attempts. There is much to be grateful for today. It is also appropriate to acknowledge those who contributed meaningfully—President Trump played a crucial role, and did so with remarkable skill.

rockytopva · 2025-10-13T13:41:03-0500

When I was a teenager I read the book 2150 by Thea Alexander where she theorizes the height of what she calls Macro Philosophy. Nice philosophy on the height of relationship between man and woman as well… I may try to find this book and hope I didn’t throw it away…

Macro Society - The place at its height
Micro Society - The place at its lowest

Thea Alexander...

Still has a wonderful look about here decades later…

Strong in Him · 2025-10-13T13:35:35-0500

Apple Sky said:
Why would three question at the end of my sentence make me horrified

Well, surprised, at least.
A question ends with a question mark, there is no reason at all to put 3. That's the stuff of comic books "why????", "eeeeek!!!!!!!!!", "NO!!!!!!!!!!" and so on.

Yes, I have sometimes used 2, or 3, question marks myself - and when I do so, my meaning/emotion generally is: "are you out of your mind???"

Either way, your question was "why would Rob, being a Christian, lie?"
Back at ya.
Why would Charles, being a Christian who gives talks about Jesus, lie?

tdidymas · 2025-10-13T13:33:06-0500

SabbathBlessings said:
Please show this by Scripture, not your words.

Really, so Paul is teaching to dishonor God Rom 2:21-23, to be a sinner Rom 7:7 and be an enmity to God Rom 8:7-8 teaching people to worship other gods, vain His holy name, steal and murder. No wonder why we have this warning about twisting Paul's writings as a salvation warning 2Pet3:16 as if Paul can delete the Testimony of God of the entire Universe Exo 31:18 we were warned going away from is danger Isa8:20

Paul is not teaching people to be lost and outside God's Kingdom. He taught what matters is keeping God's commandments 1Cor7:19 and let God be God instead of trying to tell God what are His laws and what is sin. These types of teachings we were warned about 2Tim4:3-4

The Ten Commandments is His standard of righteousness Psa 119:172 which is everlasting Psa 119:142 and what we will all be judged on Ecc 12:13-14 James 2:11-12 Mat5:19-30 regardless if we accept or not. I personally would not want to remove a jot or tittle of God's Ten Commandments that sits under His mercy seat Exo 25:21 which He tells us who He shows mercy to Exo 20:6 that is revealed in heaven right before the 7th trumpet when He returns Rev 11:18-19 Rev 15:5

Jesus says this right before He reveals His Himself at His Second Coming. Doesn't sound like the Ten Commandments ended at the Cross, at least according to Jesus.

Revelation 22:14 Blessed are those who do His commandments, that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter through the gates into the city.

Which commandments?

15 But outside are dogs and sorcerers (Breaking commandment #1 Exodus 20:3) and sexually immoral (breaking commandment #7 Exodus 20:14) and murderers (breaking commandment #6 Exodus 20:13) and idolaters (breaking commandment #2 Exodus 20:4-6), and whoever loves and practices a lie (breaking # 9 Exodus 20:16 or any of the commandments 1 John 2:4) Breaking one we break them all James 2:11-12 Exo 20:1-17 .

You never quoted Col 2:13. But I would suggest starting much sooner

6 As you therefore have received Christ Jesus the Lord, so walk in Him, 7 rooted and built up in Him and established in the faith, as you have been taught, abounding [d]in it with thanksgiving.

8 Beware lest anyone [e]cheat you through philosophy and empty deceit, according to the tradition of men, according to the basic principles of the world, and not according to Christ. 9 For in Him dwells all the fullness of the Godhead [f]bodily; 10 and you are complete in Him, who is the head of all [g]principality and power.
11 In Him you were also circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, by putting off the body [h]of the sins of the flesh, by the circumcision of Christ, 12 buried with Him in baptism, in which you also were raised with Him through faith in the working of God, who raised Him from the dead. 13 And you, being dead in your trespasses and the uncircumcision of your flesh, He has made alive together with Him, having forgiven you all trespasses

Why does one believe being alive in Christ means worshipping another god, vain His holy name, bow to false images, break His holy Sabbath, I'll never understand.

Please compare Col 2:6-13 to Rom 3:31 Rom 6:1-4 Mat 15:3-14 Mark7:7-13. I am happy to go through more of this passage with you if you want. Jesus died for our sin, doesn't mean we can continue sinning (breaking God's law1John3:4) if in Christ. As Paul said, why would anyone want to. Rom6:2 if we love Jesus Exo20:6 John14:15 1John5:3

Due to the fact that you don't understand what you're reading, I'm putting you on ignore.
Incidentally, I did quote :13 and I did explain it, refuting your premise.

tdidymas · 2025-10-13T13:30:44-0500

fhansen said:
It's just the proper understanding of the passage, first of all. I don't know if you're antinomian- I'd certainly hope not. Either way, it means that we're forgiven of sin, and not that we can continue in that sin as if permanently freed from the penalty of all sin present and future. Jesus also gives us the power, the righteousness, by the Spirit, to overcome lawlessness now.

It appears to me that you assume antinomianism if someone doesn't agree with your "faith plus works" scenario, as you are obviously doing here.

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