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Video: Professor Crashes Turning Point Meeting and Berates Students

Kind of like when some accuse others of being socialists or communists.

-- A2SG, a lot of people today don't know the meaning of many words....

I may not be a smart person, but I know a fascist socialist commie nazi when I see one.
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Abortion: Can You Be Both?

Lied? A lie? You're going to try to compare a person lying, which all of us have done atleast once or more in life, to an innocent growing baby being murdered via abortion?
The two don't compare!!

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I'm sorry.
I quoted this:
Can a Christian who made one mistake, do it again and would that be ok or just considered a mistake?
And assumed you were talking about ANY kind of mistake.
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Worst Possible Uses for AI imaginable

That's not true, actually. The driver facing one's are exclusively meant to shift blame onto you personally, and not the company's insurance, if the AI sees your eyes weren't where they're supposed to be, and you got into a wreck, then you will be personally responsible for all the damages - out of your own pocket.

...So it's not 100% in your favor, if that's what you're thinking.
And the cameras they install in trucks have a front facing camera and a camera facing the driver all in one unit. I’ve never seen a camera system in a truck with a camera only facing the driver. The one installed on my truck also includes the rear camera in the recording as well as the speed, acceleration, and braking are all recorded on a graph in the software in real time. So when something happens they know exactly how fast you were going and exactly when you hit the brakes because that information is synced with the video.
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@Apple Sky and @d taylor both demonstrate an understanding of God which is little different from the pagans. After all, if the earth is flat and the sun and moon are two local light sources, it is of no consequence to pause their movement in the sky or even move them backwards. It is no great miracle at all, it is not even supernatural.

For those who understand that the earth is a massive rotating globe in orbit around the sun however, this miracle is huge, because it demonstrates God is master of every facet of His creation, suspending the very laws of physics. If God were to stop the rotation of the earth without suspending the physical laws, all life on earth would have been destroyed in moments as mountains would have collapsed and oceans rushed over the dry land.

Thus, for the globe earth, the miracles of Joshua and Hezekiah highlight for us the absolute power and majesty of our infinite God. For the flat earth, it highlights how weak and pathetic their view of God is, and how He is no different for how the pagans perceive God to be.

“So the sun stopped in the middle of the sky and delayed going down about a full day.”
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CNN Dem Panelist Shocks Jennings with Major Admission on Lawfare Against Trump

And neither does anyone on the left
What a stupid argument. Are you seriously arguing that nobody on the left has any spiritual fruits?

This is the distraction you make when you can't defend the rapist pedophile and list any of his spiritual fruits?

Not agreeing is not avoiding
It's tell you can't list any.
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The Saving results of the Death of Christ !

One does not need expert credentials to follow the syntactical case I've presented. One only needs a willingness to engage the text itself. That, so far, has been the missing ingredient in this thread.
Well, no one seems to understand your argument.
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How do I change my User Name?

Go to the 3 horizontal lines at the left of the Christian Forums banner. A menu will drop down. Click on tickets and choose your option and type out your request. I’ll tag @linux.poet so she can see this here.
I don't see three horizontal lines to the left of the Christian Forums banner. I'm sorry but I can't see it.
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Worst Possible Uses for AI imaginable

That's not true, actually. The driver facing one's are exclusively meant to shift blame onto you personally, and not the company's insurance, if the AI sees your eyes weren't where they're supposed to be, and you got into a wreck, then you will be personally responsible for all the damages - out of your own pocket.

...So it's not 100% in your favor, if that's what you're thinking.
No that’s not true at all, I can be held liable by DOT as far as fines if I’ve broken a law but as far as being financially responsible for paying for damages I can’t be held responsible.
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He’s a citizen with a Real ID. ICE detained him anyway. Twice.

“‘When a stranger resides with you in your land, you shall not do him wrong.”
‭‭Leviticus‬ ‭19‬:‭33‬ ‭NASB2020‬‬

"They are not sending their best... They're sending people that have lots of problems, and they are bringing those problems with them."

Congressional Record vol 161 number 154.
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Are the Jews Israel, or is the church Israel? Or does it depend on the context of the passage?

The Jewish State of Israel, is a fake Israel. Judah lost their claim to the Israel name when they split from the 10 Northern tribes , 3000 years ago.

This is proved by Jesus when He said He had been sent to save the lost House of Israel. Matt 15:24 He was in the land of the Jews and they rejected and killed Him.
The NT makes it clear who the real Peoples of God, the Overcomers for Him and the true Israelites; are.

The NT and the OT, also make it clear what the fate of the apostate Jews will be. Luke 19:27
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@Apple Sky and @d taylor both demonstrate an understanding of God which is little different from the pagans. After all, if the earth is flat and the sun and moon are two local light sources, it is of no consequence to pause their movement in the sky or even move them backwards. It is no great miracle at all, it is not even supernatural.

For those who understand that the earth is a massive rotating globe in orbit around the sun however, this miracle is huge, because it demonstrates God is master of every facet of His creation, suspending the very laws of physics. If God were to stop the rotation of the earth without suspending the physical laws, all life on earth would have been destroyed in moments as mountains would have collapsed and oceans rushed over the dry land.

Thus, for the globe earth, the miracles of Joshua and Hezekiah highlight for us the absolute power and majesty of our infinite God. For the flat earth, it highlights how weak and pathetic their view of God is, and how He is no different from how the pagans perceive God to be. For the flat earth, He is the God of the bounded terrarium. For the globe earth, He is the God of the unbounded universe.
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That's what the Bible says. :doh:

It says :

On the day that the LORD gave the Amorites over to the Israelites, Joshua spoke to the LORD in the presence of Israel: “O sun, stand still over Gibeon, O moon, over the Valley of Aijalon.” So the sun stood still and the moon stopped until the nation took vengeance upon its enemies. Is this not written in the Book of Jashar? “So the sun stopped in the middle of the sky and delayed going down about a full day.” There has been no day like it before or since, when the LORD listened to the voice of a man, because the LORD fought for Israel Joshua 10:12-14
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Abortion: Can You Be Both?

Of course Christians can make mistakes.
But do they learn from those mistakes or repeat them in either act or support.

Can a Christian who made one mistake, do it again and would that be ok or just considered a mistake?
Have you lied more than once in your life?
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Six Democrats urge military members to 'refuse illegal orders' in viral video; Hegseth responds

Courts have too.

That your right but plenty of military men have condemned his actions. Of course, we have had much to choose from in the past 27 years, including Trump

The courts say that he already has.

That court is wrong and they were overruled by a higher court.
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Abortion: Can You Be Both?

I believe yes though I understand why everyone disagrees. No one ever likes my reasoning too but here it goes.

In my professional adult life i've worked as a social worker, counsellor, and now a teacher in a behaviour classroom. For a while it was adults and parents but eventually I focussed on youth. My time with youth in that system was some of the saddest things I've ever heard, seen or experienced.

My heart broke, literally every shift as a counsellor (at a live in facility for SIGNIFICANTLY troubled youth). I hear story after story from youth who by the age of 15 now fully grasp that their parents never wanted them born. They'd been telling them that almost daily since they were 6. There were parents who ACTIVELY hurt their children and said that....and there were parents who were utterly negligent and not present who, when they had moments, would calmly report, like basic facts, that they didn't like or want their kid.

I've worked with dozens and DOZENS of suicidal children and youth. None of them had good parents. MOST of them had parents who didn't like them...MANY of them had parents who didn't want them.

In my terribly humble opinion, killing a fetus is simply never going to be the same as killing a born baby. Sorry. Logically I can never get to wear many christians are. But because I believe that, and because of my background with so many broken children and me seeing the PRODUCT of years of being unwanted, I can believe that if you truly don't want to raise a child, aborting a fetus is a solution as I can think.

I receive mental health support for the work I've done and have had more than a few conversations with my previous pastors.

I also believe that the verse in Exodus opens the door to understanding of the nature of the life of a fetus. And while abortion is never mentioned in the Bible, I tend to view the verses that talk about the "sanctity of life', as more verses that talk about the closeness that God has to us, EVEN in that place. They are meant to provide and demonstrate the closeness, compassion and care God has for us. Not about the sanctity of a fetus.

I recognize my interpretations are....let's say less popular. But I don't think they are sacreligious or anything.

I want to be clear about one last point: I don't LIKE abortion and I'm not happy that they happen (though I AM happy that women have bodily autonomy). When I hear about people having abortions, I grieve. But I DON'T grieve the loss of a life (I used to but not really). I grieve that the hard hearted attitude and the brokeness of not being willing to show love to a child. I grieve that that exists in the world. I refuse to judge women who get abortions.....it just makes me sad.

Ultimately, I support abortion because I want to improve the life of living children. Weird right?
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@Apple Sky also hasn't told us how flights from Sydney to Santiago take less time than flights from Sydney to Los Angeles, despite the shortest route on her flat earth map for the former being almost double the distance of the latter, and passes over L.A.
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I had a flat earther tell me a while back that when planes get to the edge they automatically come out at the other side. I guess the startrek transporter really works. Lol
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This is how it is for me.

Romans 8:9 KJV
But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

John 3:5 KJV
Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
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This simple truth seems to escape you. A unbeliever is a person who has not the Spirit of Christ.

A believer is a person who has received The Spirit of Christ. They received The Spirit of Christ at the very moment they believed in Jesus for Eternal Life.
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CNN Dem Panelist Shocks Jennings with Major Admission on Lawfare Against Trump

Excusing and voting for an accused pedophile and rapist.
And Jesus accepted and forgave a prostitute.. . ."holier than thou?"

Mt 6:14-15.
That's pretty sad. AT least in my circles.
But not in Jesus' circle. . .where it's not about the past, but about the present.
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CNN Dem Panelist Shocks Jennings with Major Admission on Lawfare Against Trump

All this being said, we can now just agree Trump doesn't display any fruits.
And neither does anyone on the left
You've tries to avoid addressing that 3 times so I'll just assume we are on the same page on this moving forward.
Not agreeing is not avoiding

Opposing viewpoints are part of Democracy in action. We are not on the same page. That reality you might just have to deal with.
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The Reality of Free Will

You are confused. Pragmatics is about context and implicature of words.
And are those debatable in any cases?
Have you sinned knowing God said it was wrong according to the law of Moses?
Your answer to the question is my answer to the question.
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He’s a citizen with a Real ID. ICE detained him anyway. Twice.

The Supreme Court just ruled today that the President can use the Alien enemies act to deport illegals. He also has the authority to use the military to do so.
The due process for criminal noncitizen scam is over, and when the Supreme Court finally rules that the 14th amendment does not confer birthright citizenship, the anchor baby scam will also be over

The divide and conquer strategy of the left wing and Democratic Party is coming to an end. We can begin to be a united country again.

To all illegals, take the deal. 1000 dollars and a free plane ticket to your home country or face ICE and your trip home may not be as pleasant
Leave now and you can make arrangements to return legally. Refuse and stay, when you are removed, you are gone for good

Christ redeems sinners, He does not condone sin

Our Lady of Guadalupe, pray for us
St Juan Diego, pray for us

I love all my Mexican brothers and sisters here in San Antonio as we celebrate our American citizenship. We all love this country for a reason, and it is not to throw it away to criminals
The SCOTUS decision only applies to the Venezuelans and they can file habeas corpus petitions to challenge their individual deportation. I wonder if ICE can tell the difference between a Venezuelan and a Mexican. Probably not.

It amazes me how gleeful you are. Here read a bit about it.


“‘When a stranger resides with you in your land, you shall not do him wrong.”
‭‭Leviticus‬ ‭19‬:‭33‬ ‭NASB2020‬‬
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