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And Now, an Argument In Favor of a Flat Earth

Lake Baikal is flat & frozen flat many months of the years (80kmX600km)
If you sat on the edge of the lake with a 100km range powerful tripod telescope approx 1 meter above the ice, how far away on the flat ice would I have to be before you could no longer see me ?
Cold dense air above the ice would cause light to refract more than usual, so you will likely be able to see further in Winter than during Summer.
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Barron Trump interested in supernatural dreams, 'very close' to becoming Christian: pastor

Pastor Stuart Knechtle recently claimed that President Donald Trump's 19-year-old son, Barron, is interested in claims of supernatural dreams about Jesus Christ in the Muslim world and is "very close" to becoming a Christian.

Knechtle, who has 2.4 million followerson TikTok and serves as assistant pastor at Grace Community Church in New Canaan, Connecticut, shared Thursday on "The George Janko Show" that he recently witnessed to Barron on the phone at 12:30 a.m. about Christianity.

“I thought I was hitting him with everything but the kitchen sink when it came to all the evidence for God and Christianity," Knechtle said.

"I thought I was really on, I was pumped," he said. "And at the very end, I came up pretty much totally open-handed with nothing. But I brought up dreams and revelations."

Knechtle claimed Barron was fascinated when he brought up reports that have circulated in recent years of many Muslims experiencing striking encounters with Jesus Christ in their dreams. Mission Frontiers magazine reported that a quarter of Muslim conversions to Christianity are because of such experiences.

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It sure would be great to see Barron give himself to Jesus. Maybe his conversion would help other family members follow suit.
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The two witnesses' activity chart

The ungodly follower's of the 'beast' are still alive despite the punishments of the Trumpets and Bowls. Proved by Revelation 16:1-10
They will celebrate the killing of the 2 Witnesses.
Then after 3 1/2 days, Jesus will Return and call them up to Him, along with all the faithful peoples. Matthew 24:30-31
keras, why would a Christian nation made up of totally Christians (of your replacement theory) need two witnesses testifying to them in Jerusalem ? The entire nation (of your replacement theory) will all already believe in Jesus.
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Finnish Orthodox Church Endorses LGBT And Gender Rights

Seems like the Finnish government is telling the church what it can and can't do.

I don't know of a church that mistreats anyone of the lgbtq. What churches do is call out the sin, they don't mistreat the people, or treat them any differently in some cases treat them better than other members who are not lgbtq.
I know, when I became a Christian 20 years ago, I checked my heterosexual adultery at the door even though some sinful desire remains. If I ask the Church to accommodate my sin then I deny the Lord & everything Paul tells us in Romans 7 & 8 & what John tells us in 1 John 1:5-10.
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Now does everyone understand why the "right to refuse illegal orders" video was made?

That's not a merely semantic difference...it determines who can be held accountable for what.
I can appreciate that, too.
Nonetheless, I disagree that they are separable issues or separate issues. You can't decide to do something without simultaneously thinking through how to do it/how to be successful at it. Those are the exact elements which create the decision to NOT do something or to do something.
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Charlie Kirk Didn’t Shy Away From Who He Was. We Shouldn’t, Either

Inflation Under Biden vs. Trump: A Data-Driven ComparisonInflation, measured by the Consumer Price Index (CPI), tracks the average change in prices for a basket of goods and services. Presidents influence inflation indirectly through fiscal policies, but external factors like global events, supply chain disruptions, and Federal Reserve actions play major roles. Donald Trump's first term (2017–2021) occurred during a period of stable, low inflation pre-COVID, while Joe Biden's term (2021–2025) began amid pandemic recovery and saw a sharp spike before cooling. For context, Trump's second term began in January 2025, but as of December 2025, it has been too short to yield a full-term comparison—current year-over-year inflation hovers around 3%, similar to late 2024 levels under Biden.Key MetricsHere's a side-by-side comparison of average annual inflation rates (year-over-year CPI) and cumulative price increases. Data is sourced from the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics and analyses from economic outlets. Averages for Trump reflect his first term only; Biden's covers the full four years.
MetricTrump (2017–2021)Biden (2021–2025)Notes
Average Annual Inflation Rate1.9–2.5%4.9–5.0%Trump's low average benefited from steady pre-2020 growth; 2020 dipped to 1.2% due to pandemic recession. Biden's higher average was driven by a 2022 peak of 9.1% (highest in 40 years), fueled by stimulus spending, supply shocks, and the Ukraine war.
Cumulative CPI Increase~7.8–8%~19–21.5%Prices rose modestly under Trump (e.g., gas from ~$2.40/gallon in 2017 to $2.17 in 2020). Under Biden, overall prices surged (e.g., gas hit $5+ in 2022 before falling to ~$3.50 by 2025), eroding real wages by ~4% when adjusted for inflation.
Peak Year-Over-Year Rate2.4% (2018)9.1% (June 2022)Trump's peak was near the Fed's 2% target; Biden's reflected global pressures but declined to 2.9% by December 2024.
Recent Trends (2024–2025)N/A (pre-second term)2.9% (Dec 2024); core (ex-food/energy): 3.2%Early 2025 under Trump: 3% year-over-year (up slightly from Biden's end), with core at 3% (modest decline). Wages have outpaced inflation so far in 2025.
Annual Breakdown for ContextTo illustrate the volatility, here's the annual average CPI inflation by year:
YearPresidentAnnual Inflation Rate
2017Trump2.1%
2018Trump2.4%
2019Trump1.8%
2020Trump1.2%
2021Biden4.7%
2022Biden8.0%
2023Biden4.1%
2024Biden2.9%
2025Trump2.7–3.0% (through Sep)
Broader Context and Caveats
  • Why the difference? Trump's term saw low energy prices, deregulation, and tax cuts that supported growth without overheating. Biden inherited a recovering economy but faced COVID stimulus effects (e.g., $1.9T American Rescue Plan), labor shortages, and energy shocks from Russia's 2022 invasion. Inflation cooled under Biden via Fed rate hikes (from near-zero to 5.25–5.5%), but cumulative effects lingered.
  • Public Perception vs. Reality: Despite cooling, 2022's spike made inflation a top voter issue in 2024, with many blaming Biden despite shared pandemic roots. Early 2025 data shows stability under Trump, but proposed tariffs could raise prices in the future.
  • Not Just Presidential Control: Economists emphasize that no president "causes" inflation alone—the Fed sets rates, and global events dominate.
Overall, inflation was markedly higher and more volatile under Biden than under Trump's first term, though both eras highlight how external shocks shape outcomes more than policy alone. For the latest monthly data, check the Bureau of Labor Statistics.
Souce Grok
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Rosie O’Donnell’s Trump ‘Fixation’ Made Her Therapist Challenge Her to Go Two Days Without Posting About Him — She Made It a Few Hours

Rosie O’Donnell’s hatred of President Donald Trump led her therapist to recently plead with her to go two days without posting anything about the president on social media; O’Donnell, according to a Washington Post profile on Saturday, only lasted “a few hours” before she was compelled to post about Trump again.

The comic’s “fixation” on the president, as WaPo put it, has also become a concern for her longtime friends. One of those friends, Jeanne Kopetic, insisted O’Donnell has “got to disconnect” from following the news, because she is so consumed by what Trump does.

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That's funny. She and Trump are two of a kind.
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Immigration Agents Have Rescued More Than 60,000 Children From Human Smugglers

“The evil of human trafficking cannot be overstated. It’s modern-day slavery. By leaving our borders open and even encouraging people to come here illegally, Biden enabled the largest human-trafficking operation in modern history,” DHS Secretary Kristi Noem said after a rescue operation this past July.

May God bless continued efforts to rescue victims of human trafficking.
This probably more lies from Trump and Holman. They make wild claims but never back them up with proof. In the past, they made claims about 300,000 missing children, which weren't actually missing. The bulk of these were children that either didn't show up for their hearing or didn't receive a notice for their hearing. Trump and Holman claimed these were missing children and were being trafficked. They provided no proof of this in the past and haven't this time either.
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Now does everyone understand why the "right to refuse illegal orders" video was made?

...when looking for the JAGS’ replacements, Hegseth’s staff prioritized questions about whether candidates agreed with former President Joe Biden’s policies rather than their interpretations of law...
That was a very clever thing to do by Hegseth. When you consider our nation's negligent National Security and DoD objectives, 2021-'24.
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Charlie Kirk Didn’t Shy Away From Who He Was. We Shouldn’t, Either

And yet Biden succeeded in the job where Trump has failed. That's what eats at Trump, now. He'll never get over it. Even republican historians put Biden far above Trump. And by now, Trump has declined too far to hope for a recovery.


06/26/2024 10:36 AM EDT

The number of migrants illegally crossing the U.S.-Mexico border has plummeted 40 percent since President Joe Biden clamped down on asylum earlier this month, administration officials said Wednesday.

Daily crossings have fallen below 2,400. That’s the lowest level since Jan. 17, 2021, right before the president took office. But encounters still remain too high for the president’s newly implemented restrictions to be lifted: Migrants will continue to be barred from seeking asylum in between ports of entry until average border crossings have fallen below 1,500 for seven consecutive days.


C'mon.


According to the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics, prices for food are 2.45% higher in 2025 versus 2024 (a $0.49 difference in value).
Between 2024 and 2025: Food experienced an average inflation rate of 2.45% per year. This rate of change indicates significant inflation.


Since early 2025, tariffs have returned to the center of U.S. trade policy debates. In this blog post, we take a close look at how these developments have started to show up in consumer prices—particularly in the personal consumption expenditures (PCE) price index, the Federal Reserve’s preferred inflation measure.

While headline PCE inflation has increased only modestly in recent months, the categories of goods most exposed to international trade tell a different story. In the U.S., prices for durable goods—such as vehicles, electronics and furniture—have increased noticeably. These price movements align with the timing of tariff hikes earlier this year. The figure below shows this divergence, plotting the evolution of the headline PCE price index and durable goods PCE price index, in percent deviations from January 2024, relative to their linear trends estimated using data for 2024.


This is another reason why even republican historians rate Biden as a much better president than Trump.
Biden waited 3 and a half years before he took action to slow down the flow of illegal immigration at the border, all the while telling us he couldn’t do anything without congress. He only took action because the election was coming up.
Now Trump was not my first choice and much of your criticism is deserved but your posts are delusional when it comes to Biden and nobody cares what 150 so called experts rate the presidents.
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Rosie O’Donnell’s Trump ‘Fixation’ Made Her Therapist Challenge Her to Go Two Days Without Posting About Him — She Made It a Few Hours

Yes. As stated in the article she is not moving back until she feels there are equal rights and as I read in another article…safe. She just really needs to stop the obsession. She is just hurting herself. The 24-7 Trump thing is pretty sick. Probably not a fun person to be around.
Agreed.
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Zions New Children

We Christian peoples are those who already occupy the Holy Lands
Jeremiah 32:6-15 The Lord tells Jeremiah to buy a field and hide the deed of purchase in a sealed jar, to be preserved for a long time to come.
Verse 30 Israel and Judah provoked My anger by their idolatry, therefore...
Verse 36 .... the Land is given over to the sword, famine and pestilence.
Verse 37-43 God’s people, all the Israelites of God, gathered from all the lands to which I banished them. They will be My people and I shall be their God. [They became Christians and prospered, as Jacob and Moses Prophesied]
Verse 44 Then, once again, property will be bought and sold.

I would love to think that sometime soon, that jar will be found and proof of the Holy Land ownership established forever. Psalms 37:29, Matthew 5:5
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Why Is It So Hard for Christians to Talk About Justice and Greed?

That’s taking what Jesus said in Matthew 7 out of context. What He was saying is don’t be a hypocrite, don’t judge others for unrighteousness if you yourself is unrighteous.

““Do not judge so that you will not be judged. For in the way you judge, you will be judged; and by your standard of measure, it will be measured to you. Why do you look at the speck that is in your brother’s eye, but do not notice the log that is in your own eye? Or how can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ and behold, the log is in your own eye? You hypocrite, first take the log out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to take the speck out of your brother’s eye.
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭7‬:‭1‬-‭5‬ ‭NASB1995‬‬

He’s illustrating judging others with taking the speck out of your brother’s eye. He’s not saying not to judge others, He’s saying don’t judge others without judging yourself. Get the beam out of your own eye before you judge others. Right after this He goes on to warn about false prophets and knowing how to identify them. This is another example of judging others by their actions or fruits.

““Beware of the false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly are ravenous wolves. You will know them by their fruits. Grapes are not gathered from thorn bushes nor figs from thistles, are they? So every good tree bears good fruit, but the bad tree bears bad fruit. A good tree cannot produce bad fruit, nor can a bad tree produce good fruit. Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. So then, you will know them by their fruits.”
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I appreciate your point about context, and I agree that Jesus is absolutely confronting hypocrisy in Matthew 7. But the principle He’s teaching goes even deeper than simply “don’t be a hypocrite.” Jesus is warning us about assuming a posture that belongs only to God—the posture of judge.
In the passage, He emphasizes that when we judge others, we end up being judged by the very same standard we apply.That’s not just about hypocrisy; that’s about the danger of stepping into God’s place and setting ourselves up as the ones who decide whose “speck” counts and how severe it is. When we do that, we inevitably judge people according to ourstandards, not God’s—and Jesus says that doing so invites judgment back on ourselves.
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Charlie Kirk Didn’t Shy Away From Who He Was. We Shouldn’t, Either

And yet Biden succeeded in the job where Trump has failed. That's what eats at Trump, now. He'll never get over it. Even republican historians put Biden far above Trump. And by now, Trump has declined too far to hope for a recovery.

He succeeded in flooding the country with illegal immigrants
06/26/2024 10:36 AM EDT

The number of migrants illegally crossing the U.S.-Mexico border has plummeted 40 percent since President Joe Biden clamped down on asylum earlier this month, administration officials said Wednesday.

Daily crossings have fallen below 2,400. That’s the lowest level since Jan. 17, 2021, right before the president took office. But encounters still remain too high for the president’s newly implemented restrictions to be lifted: Migrants will continue to be barred from seeking asylum in between ports of entry until average border crossings have fallen below 1,500 for seven consecutive days.


C'mon.

and out of control inflation.
According to the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics, prices for food are 2.45% higher in 2025 versus 2024 (a $0.49 difference in value).
Between 2024 and 2025: Food experienced an average inflation rate of 2.45% per year. This rate of change indicates significant inflation.


Since early 2025, tariffs have returned to the center of U.S. trade policy debates. In this blog post, we take a close look at how these developments have started to show up in consumer prices—particularly in the personal consumption expenditures (PCE) price index, the Federal Reserve’s preferred inflation measure.

While headline PCE inflation has increased only modestly in recent months, the categories of goods most exposed to international trade tell a different story. In the U.S., prices for durable goods—such as vehicles, electronics and furniture—have increased noticeably. These price movements align with the timing of tariff hikes earlier this year. The figure below shows this divergence, plotting the evolution of the headline PCE price index and durable goods PCE price index, in percent deviations from January 2024, relative to their linear trends estimated using data for 2024.


This is another reason why even republican historians rate Biden as a much better president than Trump.
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The two witnesses' activity chart

There ares no massive hailstones (Revelation 16:18-21) accompanying the Revelation 11 earthquake.
But there could be and Rev 16:21 tells us there will be.
Every detail is not given in most Prophesies, we must gather all the information and make a coherent picture.
1. The world will not be in mood to exchange presents over the death of the two witnesses. A third of mankind will have just been killed by the sixth trumpet second woe of Revelation 9. And also the world will be suffering under the effects of the vials of God's wrath poured out.
The ungodly follower's of the 'beast' are still alive despite the punishments of the Trumpets and Bowls. Proved by Revelation 16:1-10
They will celebrate the killing of the 2 Witnesses.
Then after 3 1/2 days, Jesus will Return and call them up to Him, along with all the faithful peoples. Matthew 24:30-31
No, the abomination of desolation statue image is not going to be allowed to continue to stand on the temple mount for 30 or 75 days after Jesus Returns.
I did not say it would be.
It will be gone, along with the armies at Armageddon, the 'beast and the FP and all who reject Christianity, when Jesus Returns.

I know your beliefs are 'set in concrete'. There are many ways to break concrete, but your beliefs are locked in; Isaiah 29:9-12, and only as things unfold will those who have chosen to believe in false theories, finally know the truths. To their eternal regret and shame.
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Finnish Orthodox Church Endorses LGBT And Gender Rights

Seems like the Finnish government is telling the church what it can and can't do.

I don't know of a church that mistreats anyone of the lgbtq. What churches do is call out the sin, they don't mistreat the people, or treat them any differently in some cases treat them better than other members who are not lgbtq.
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Finnish Orthodox Church Endorses LGBT And Gender Rights

Does Finnish laws require that they "fall in-line" with certain precepts in order to maintain certain tax benefits or receive certain grants?

That's an honest question, I'm not familiar with those kinds of legal frameworks for Finland.

I know for Denmark, they passed a law in 2012 that said that a State church (any that carry the label of Church of Denmark) isn't allowed to opt out of performing Same Sex marriages, and if a particular clergymen refuses, the local bishop has to appoint a replacement.

But wasn't sure if all of the nordic countries were the same in that regard.
I don’t know and I always forget that state churches in Europe often receive government subsidies. As I was typing this a quick AI search told me the Finnish Orthodox Church ( as does the Lutheran) receives subsidies. I do know the Orthodox Church is small in Finland & believe in the past it has had to face pressure from Protestants and an unfair stigma of being seen as “Russian.”

I pray the Finland Church can find a way to separate from the increasingly anti Christian secular state and proclaim the Gospel. Even if the Church separates from the secular state, I guess the state would try to tax it to death.
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Trump Says US Will Permanently Pause Migration From 'Third World Countries'

Permanently Pause? Just say S T O P migration from third world countries!

Migration? Am I mistaken, do migrating people come to the country legally? Or is he just referring to those who enter illegally? I think not!

The one who is sitting in the office of president in the present time doesn't care about less fortunate people unless he has a use for them.

And he speaks of the illegals who come here committing crime, but he is going to prison systems have more US citizens manually illegals, and the number is overwhelmingly higher. But people will ignore facts to achieve what they want.BOP Statistics: Inmate Citizenship BOP Statistics: Inmate Citizenship

Is it hospital care? US citizens are greater numbers than illegals, can't find the numbers. But if a state is spending a few million on hospital care for illegals think of what they're spending on citizens?
Noncitizens’ Access to Health Care | Congress.gov | Library of Congress https://share.google/ULaI0ymWW6zDoYpvq

Government aid program? Again US citizens at the top of the list and many government aid programs illegals cannot received.

I guess farmers will start complaining again they will not have anyone to work their Crops. It's the dirty jobs, the menial jobs, that US citizens don't want and the majority will not do.

The Bible tells people to help each other, be kind to the stranger, help those in need but if you a third world country the current US president and his supporters don't want to help anyone less fortunate than them, of course unless it's family or friends.
I doubt Trump has any family (that he would acknowledge) or friends less fortunate.
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Charlie Kirk Didn’t Shy Away From Who He Was. We Shouldn’t, Either

And yet he succeeded in the job where Trump has failed. That's what eats at Trump, now. He'll never get over it. Even republican historians put Biden far above Trump. And by now, Trump has declined too far to hope for a recovery.
He succeeded in flooding the country with illegal immigrants and out of control inflation.
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