BPPLEE said:

Hebrews 6:4 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted the heavenly gift, and have become partakers of the Holy Spirit, 5 and have tasted the good word of God and the powers of the age to come, 6 [c]if they fall away, to renew them again to repentance, since they crucify again for themselves the Son of God, and put Him to an open shame. 7

So if someone gets saved and then backslides there’s no hope for them?

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Dale said:

We had a mass shooting in Sebring, FL. At a local bank, five women were lined up, told to lay down and shot in the back of the head.

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Sebring bank shooter formally sentenced to death for killing 5 women in 2019​

Richard T said:

Why would a large corporation be ignorant of visa laws? Guess they need more lawyers and less factory expertise.

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JAM2b said:

If she doesn't tag you in social media, then it might not have been directed to you. If it is Facebook, I believe you can unfollow her but still be friends. This way you won't see her post, but still have the connection on Facebook.

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bèlla said:

That’s the danger of repression. When they face the one in the mirror they’ll realize the other’s approval isn’t required and find their wings. We’re witnessing the emergence of the renaissance woman and if you doubt it look at the videos on my post. When you pour into yourself you’ll leave many behind.

~bella

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bbbbbbb said:

You seem to be diverting from the topic of "the set of laws which God has given". Assuming that you believe that the example of Jesus' obedience to what God has commanded includes obedience to all of the commandments in the Bible, then it is no small thing to disobey what, for many, are trivial and outdated commandments such as kindling a fire on the Sabbath. I assume (correct me if I am mistaken) that you eat only cold food on the Sabbath.

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stevevw said:

But why. The same logic that even pretty good symmetry and circularity is achieved by a pretty basic wheel or lathing uses the same logic for more precise symmetry and circularity.

If we can say that rough circularity is cased by a rudimentary rotating device. Then the same logic would follow that very good circularity was achieved by a much better wheel or lathe.

If you can use the logic that at some point roundness requires some sort of rotating device. Then the better the roundness the better the device.

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stevevw said:

Culture or craftsman. I think its irrelevant as to the signatures and tech. Some cultures like China evolved to make fine china and vases, Others didn't. So the craft as an industry is what produced great craftsman that they specialised.

It may be that as a culture they had evolved knowledge about the workings of nature that allowed them to achieve results beyond the traditional methods.

I was trying to make destinctions and break down the difference between unaided hands say for example in coil pottery that only uses the hands to coil the vase up and then blend it into a vase or pot shape by hands.

The next level is simple tools like chisels and pounders, Its still unaided in that the chiseling and pounding or rubbing is not guided by some machine to achieve the precision. A measuring device adds another piece of tech above unaided hands thus another little aid that helps with precision.

Then the wheel and bore stick are another step in the technical aids. A free hand or a hand with a tool in it but still free moving can be used but the tech is what achieved the circularity.

Then we can go all the way up to sophisticated lathing that is stable and controlled to achieve the greatest precision that eventually reaches the highest levels such as NASA level precision which involved no humans at all.

So all I am do is breaking down the stages of how tech aids in achieving the signatures. Then as others have done reverse engineering the signatures in vases to work out what level of tech had to have been used. Obviously the more precise the more sophisticated the tech.

Yes but like most people have concluded some sort of lathing or wheel was involved. Its a matter of what level of sophistication that was. Or maybe it was something completely different like stone softening which allowed conventional tools to be used. But could still produce similar signatures.

But whatever it was the signatures speak for themselves and show something beyond the orthodox methods which have been tested and cannot reproduce the same signatures.

So what in that you are objecting to me using the same logic but extending it, You think the signatures are caused by some sort of lathing or wheel or bore stick that is wobbly.

I am saying the lathing was more sophisticated based on the same analysis of the signatures that point to lathing in the first place. Just a more elaborate take on your own conclusions that this lathing was more modern like lol.

You probably missed the first part where it was not about anything in particular but that there was advanced tech and knowledge and that the orthodox narrative is flawed.

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stevevw said:

is always a straw man.

As a natural consequence the thread went into specific examples and the vases became the main focus in supporting that advanced knowledge. But as I said we could go into many examples and as a total the overall evidence makes a strong case.

But if we only focus on one specific example its easy to get lost in those specifics and lose sight of the overall point. I said I don't mind going into specific as it may help support the advanced knowledge. But now I think its time to move on as it will only continue the same.

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camille70 said:

There's going to be a lot more pain for a lot more people if those subsidies expire. I almost didn't renew my health care plan last year because it went up. If it goes up even a quarter more, let alone doubles, I won't be able to afford coverage. I'm trying to get all my vaccines in and prescriptions renewed before January just in case.

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Oompa Loompa said:

Yet a poster on this thread does otherwise in post 127. So your statement is obviously false.

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Servus said:

Chickens coming home to roost.

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Servus said:

Is there any other realistic reason other than facilitating ICE getting their job of rounding up illegal aliens done?

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essentialsaltes said:

Trump poised to fire US attorney for resisting effort to charge NY AG: Sources

President Donald Trump is expected to fire the U.S. attorney for the Eastern District of Virginia after his office was unable to find incriminating evidence of mortgage fraud against New York Attorney General Letitia James, according to sources.
Trump nominated Siebert for the position in May.

How can this not be seen as naked retribution? Your own handpicked guy says there's nothing there. That's not good enough, so you keep firing people until you get Letitia James indicted.

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essentialsaltes said:

Trump nominates White House aide to be top US prosecutor for office probing Letitia James​

Halligan has been part of Trump’s legal orbit for the last several years, including serving as one of his attorneys in the early days of the FBI’s investigation into Trump’s retention of classified documents at his Mar-a-Lago estate in Florida.

[recently involved in purging the Smithsonian of wrongthink]

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essentialsaltes said:

Top prosecutor is rejecting Trump pressure to charge New York AG​

A key federal prosecutor in Virginia, where James Comey was indicted, is resisting bringing charges against Letitia James.

Elizabeth Yusi, who oversees major criminal prosecutions in the Norfolk office of the Eastern District of Virginia, has confided to co-workers that she sees no probable cause to believe James engaged in mortgage fraud, the two sources told MSNBC. Yusi plans to present her conclusion to the president’s new interim U.S. attorney, Lindsey Halligan, in the coming weeks, they said.

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rjs330 said:

Its such a shame that Schumer is putting politics above the American people. He's causing pain instead of keeping the government open. All because he thinks he's going to score political points. It's going to backfire.

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Fantine said:

Re: Myanmmar
The thread title, however, has a much broader scope, and the children dying are from all over the world.
When I hear children are dying, I don't go looking for an outlier (Myanmmar) to encourage Americans to ignore their part in this global tragedy.

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fhansen said:

The answer is yes, all those things are true for a person who has turned to and remained in Him, showing themselves to be His by how they live: justly, doing good, overcoming sin, not compromising their saved status.

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essentialsaltes said:

Nobody even bats an eye at such typical behavior from some Christians.

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Vambram said:

The lie and mortgage fraud is in the forms she herself filled out.

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Fantine said:

Trying to reinvestigate false Biden accusations takes energy away from other needed investigations.
Release the Epsteon files.

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essentialsaltes said:

The Norwegian Nobel Committee has decided to award the Nobel Peace Prize for 2025 to Maria Corina Machado​

for her tireless work promoting democratic rights for the people of Venezuela and for her struggle to achieve a just and peaceful transition from dictatorship to democracy.

The Nobel Peace Prize for 2025 goes to a brave and committed champion of peace – to a woman who keeps the flame of democracy burning amid a growing darkness.

Ms Machado has been a key, unifying figure in a political opposition that was once deeply divided – an opposition that found common ground in the demand for free elections and representative government. This is precisely what lies at the heart of democracy: our shared willingness to defend the principles of popular rule, even though we disagree. At a time when democracy is under threat, it is more important than ever to defend this common ground.

Venezuela has evolved from a relatively democratic and prosperous country to a brutal, authoritarian state that is now suffering a humanitarian and economic crisis. Most Venezuelans live in deep poverty, even as the few at the top enrich themselves. The violent machinery of the state is directed against the country’s own citizens. Nearly 8 million people have left the country. The opposition has been systematically suppressed by means of election rigging, legal prosecution and imprisonment.

Ahead of the election of 2024, Ms Machado was the opposition’s presidential candidate, but the regime blocked her candidacy. She then backed the representative of a different party, Edmundo Gonzalez Urrutia, in the election. Hundreds of thousands of volunteers mobilised across political divides. They were trained as election observers to ensure a transparent and fair election. Despite the risk of harassment, arrest and torture, citizens across the country held watch over the polling stations. They made sure the final tallies were documented before the regime could destroy ballots and lie about the outcome.

The efforts of the collective opposition, both before and during the election, were innovative and brave, peaceful and democratic. The opposition received international support when its leaders publicised the vote counts that had been collected from the country’s election districts, showing that the opposition had won by a clear margin. But the regime refused to accept the election result, and clung to power.

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White House says Nobel Committee places 'politics over peace'​

The White House on Friday criticised the Nobel Prize committee's decision to award the peace prize to a Venezuelan opposition leader instead of U.S. President Donald Trump.

"President Trump will continue making peace deals, ending wars, and saving lives. He has the heart of a humanitarian, and there will never be anyone like him who can move mountains with the sheer force of his will," White House spokesperson Steven Cheung said in a post on X.

"The Nobel Committee proved they place politics over peace."

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