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Apple Sky · 2025-11-21T01:02:17-0600

Landon Caeli said:
Is it safe to say then, that the climate change emergency, was science fiction? And that the scientists used biased models in their data sets?

Yes - Why would God want to change the climate ? God made it so.

David Lamb · 2025-11-21T00:59:07-0600

Apple Sky said:
And Just because the words 'flat earth' is not mentioned, doesn't mean that it isn't.

That is not the same thing at all. Although the word "miracle" isn't always used in the description of individual miracles, we are told that Jesus worked miracles:

““Men of Israel, hear these words: Jesus of Nazareth, a Man attested by God to you by miracles, wonders, and signs which God did through Him in your midst, as you yourselves also know—” (Ac 2:22 NKJV) (my emphasis)

But nowhere in Scripture is the earth described as flat.

David Lamb · 2025-11-21T00:54:32-0600

Apple Sky said:
I know the earth is level & stationary b/c the Bible & God tells me so.

Where does the bible say that the earth is level and stationary?

Apple Sky said:
The sun does rise & set in our view.

Why, if, as you claim, the earth is flat? Why can we see only half of the sun halfway through a sunset or sunrise? Why, if the earth is flat, does the sun not just appear to get smaller and smaller the furth it passes from us?

Apple Sky said:
Still there.

Where? One doesn't see the bottom half of something disappearing just because it gets further away.

Apple Sky · 2025-11-21T00:51:56-0600

David Lamb said:
Just because the word "miracle" is not mentioned, that doesn't men it wasn't one.

And Just because the words 'flat earth' is not mentioned, doesn't mean that it isn't.

Perpetual Student · 2025-11-21T00:51:14-0600

Servus said:
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And this, ladies and gentlemen, somehow negates decades of data gathered both on the ground and by satellites. We can ignore all IPCC reports, because a few activists got it wrong. The the coral reefs are not bleaching, the glaciers wont melt. Who needs science, when to expose a few ignorant activists is enough to settle the case?

Apple Sky · 2025-11-21T00:46:52-0600

Season Greetings

David Lamb · 2025-11-21T00:44:28-0600

Apple Sky said:
The Bible say's nothing about any miracle.

Just because the word "miracle" is not mentioned, that doesn't men it wasn't one. The descriptions of many of the miracles of Jesus don't include the word "miracle" either. For instance:

“10 “But that you may know that the Son of Man has power on earth to forgive sins” —He said to the paralytic, 11 “I say to you, arise, take up your bed, and go to your house.” 12 Immediately he arose, took up the bed, and went out in the presence of them all, so that all were amazed and glorified God, saying, “We never saw anything like this!”” (Mr 2:10-12 NKJV)

Apple Sky · 2025-11-21T00:42:34-0600

Phil G said:
You don’t “know” the earth is flat. You’ve got no evidence, nothing, just an irrational belief that is refuted by the evidence all around us.

I know the earth is level & stationary b/c the Bible & God tells me so.

David Lamb said:
You have said that the sun doesn't really rise and set, but only appears to do so.

The sun does rise & set in our view.

David Lamb said:
Where is the bottom half of the sun halfway throufg a sunset?

Still there.

David Lamb · 2025-11-21T00:36:06-0600

Apple Sky said:
It doesn't look as if the sun is moving across the sky, it actually does move across the sky & runs it's circuit.

So why doesn't the sun appear to get smaller the further it passes from the observer? Where is the bottom half of the sun halfway through a sunset?

David Lamb · 2025-11-21T00:32:31-0600

Apple Sky said:
“So the sun stopped in the middle of the sky and delayed going down about a full day.”

You have said that the sun doesn't really rise and set, but only appears to do so. However, the bible often refers to the rising and setting of the sun, for example in this verse:

“At evening, when the sun had set, they brought to Him all who were sick and those who were demon-possessed.” (Mr 1:32 NKJV) (my emphasis)

Yet you still maintain that the sun only appears to set. Why, in that case, could your verse which talks of the sun stopping be similar, not refer to how it appeared to Joshua and others?

Unqualified · 2025-11-21T00:29:07-0600

Made some 405 grain yesterday. 64 ezactly. Only took about 2 hours ladle pouring. More speed, less internal ballistic pressure, less drop, more powder. Just about gave up on shooting to 200 with any accuracy. It said would drop 23.3. Little did I know it was moa, which translates to about 48 inches @200. I can make it shoot flatter.

Marilyn C · 2025-11-21T00:11:36-0600

eclipsenow said:
It's a sermon on suffering, so of COURSE it reminds his audience that one day the Lord will return.
The problem for those that want to read it as a future timetable is this happens many times in the book!
EG: The Lord returns at the end of Chapter 6! And there's a triplicate return in 19, 20, 21 - from different 'camera eye' views.
It has the gospel events dressed up in picture language.

It's too all Christians across all time, reminding us that if our governments turn on us - to trust in the Lord with great patience. We're also warned not to be seduced by the wealth of our nations, and trust in those. (Rev 13 has the mark has an alternative Shema prayer to money and the state, rather than God.)

So once again.

IF I gave you a 'prophecy' about a battle on Mars in the year 4000 AD and said "OBEY IT!" - wouldn't that be nonsensical?

John is trying to identify with his mission field. Trying to comfort brothers and sisters in Christ.
And futurists think he's raving about thousands of years in the future for the majority of the book?
It just doesn't add up!

"Toughen up princess - you've got nothing to worry about! Wait till you see what happens in 2000 years!"

I thought it was `toughing up buttercup.` Anyway thanks for the encouragement!

Now are you telling me that the 7 churches which were in Asia, were the ones going through all the difficulties as shown in Rev. 2 & 3 in John`s time?

rjs330 · 2025-11-21T00:09:29-0600

FAITH-IN-HIM said:
I see you recognize that supporting a government which does not prohibit homosexuality be seen as inconsistent with biblical teachings. So , why don’t you understand that endorsing a government that treats individuals inhumanely is also contradictory to these values.

Easy, because I dont believe scripture was written as a treatise to government to tell them how they ought to operate. What laws they should have and not have.

And I do believe people that are picked up should be treated humanely. I already explained that.

FAITH-IN-HIM said:
Deporting half a family to another country while leaving an eight-year-old child in America is not humane. If you believe otherwise, our views on humanity and the love Jesus taught differ greatly.

I absolutely think that the parents should be able to take the child with them or leave the child. Its no different than sending someone to prison and separating them from their child.

Actually its better than that. People who are sent to prison don't have a choice but to leave their child behind.

At least with illegals they can take the kids with them or leave them.

FAITH-IN-HIM said:
Christians cannot separate government responsibilities they support from individual adherence to Gospel teachings. Whether in their homes, churches, communities, as individuals, members of a church, part of a larger community, or as a nation, practicing the teachings of Jesus is expected in daily life. Distinguishing between personal and communal application does not align with the principles taught by Christ.

I agree, so when you start supporting throwing divorcee's in jail along side homosexuals and liars I will believe you mean what you say.

FAITH-IN-HIM said:
Christians who adhere to the teachings of Christ in their personal lives but support governmental actions that contradict those teachings will be reminded by Jesus on the day of judgment, "I never knew you."

These laws do not contradict scriptural teachings. Immigration law is not a violation of scripture.

Every single detainee should be picked up and treated humanely according to our laws. Just like we treat every prisoner that is arrested for a crime.

They should be clothed, fed, watered, given medical attention and then deported.
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Mark Quayle · 2025-11-21T00:08:31-0600

A Devil's Advocate said:
Being I am not a Calvinist, I am unfamiliar with the acronym T.U.L.I.P. So my reply is based off of what I got from a quick search.

Total Depravity: This assumes that spiritual death is a cessation of the spirit. If this was true, then I would agree with total depravity. However, I do not believe spiritual death to be the cessation of the spirit, but rather the spirit going into a dormant state where it is no longer sensitive to God's presence. But, it is still capable of responding to the convicting work of the Holy Spirit. If our spirit was actually dead, then even the convicting work of the Holy Spirit would be of no use, and we would remain lost.
Also, and I can't say this with absolute certainty, because we are made in the image of God, I believe the cessation of any part of our being: body, soul, or spirit would result in what looks like physical death. God is revealed to us in three persons, but all are still one God. Being in the image of God we too are made up of three parts, as I just described. These three parts are what makes us human. This would explain why in the new age, we receive new physical bodies. Not only to maintain the image of God, but because we cannot exist without all three parts.

Unconditional Election: I heard TD Jakes say once that God choosing to save whomever it is He chooses to save is a great display of His grace because no one deserves salvation. Rather than lose everyone, God chooses to save some. To me this doesn't paint a very attractive picture of God. If God is capable of saving some, then He is clearly capable of saving all, yet chooses not to? This does not sound like the God presented to us in the bible.

Limited Atonement, Irresistible Grace, and Perseverance of the Saints: These next three are all based of the premise that it is our sins that separate us from God. That salvation is found in getting our sins forgiven. This same premise applies to almost all forms of Christianity being preached today.

Ours sins are not the problem. They are not what separates us from God. Our sin is a form of behavior. Our sinful behavior is a symptom of our condition, not the cause. Our condition is that of spiritual death. Spiritual death was the punishment Adam and Eve received for their disobedience. Because spiritual death plus spiritual death will always equal spiritual death, we've all come into the world already spiritually dead (separated from God). The symptom of our condition, being separated from God, is that we sin.

Now because it is not our sins that separate us from God, getting our sins forgiven isn't going to save us. We are saved when we place our faith in God for salvation. The forgiveness of sins is what makes salvation possible. Everyone from the cross forward has come into the world already forgiven of their sins (this was made know when God tore the temple curtain). Salvation however (which is found in the resurrection), only occurs once we place our faith in God. So now if God has forgiven all of mankind, then clearly salvation must also be available to all of mankind.

When the Holy Spirit convicts us, it is not of our sin, but of our unbelief. All sin is forgiven, but our unbelief isn't. This we must choose to repent of.

Because the punishment for all sin was forgiven at the cross, there remains no more punishment to be handed out by God. Because there is no more punishment left to be handed out, there is no longer any possibility of spiritual death, separation from God. Because spiritual death is no longer a possibility, there is no way to lose your salvation, or to wilfully lose it by walking away since you can't wilfully choose to spiritually die. That is in God's hands alone.

Having said all this, in the end, I honestly don't think it matters what one believes in terms of salvation, but rather who we believe in for salvation. Anyone who places their faith in God for salvation will be saved, regardless of whatever else they choose to believe.

Now before anyone comes at me with their nickers in a knot claiming that John 14:6 says we must believe in Jesus to be saved... let me be the first to remind you that Jesus is God! Not simply a means too God. He established the fact that He is God in the first part of the verse. Therefore, He is not saying no comes to the Father/God/Me except through the Father/God/Me. This makes absolutely no sense. Why do you need to go through God in order to get too God when going through God means you're already with God?

What Jesus is actually saying is that regardless of how you choose to come to God, you will have come through Him. He is the one that made salvation possible. It is only through His forgiveness of sins that anyone can now come into the presence of God for salvation.

I would be careful to agree that what the Bible says, is what matters, and not what we have made of it. On the other side of that, is that "no scripture is of private interpretation"—we must be careful not to jump too quickly to our own conclusions.

To avoid too long an answer, you may be surprised how much like Calvinism your notion of spiritual death, our sinfulness and unbelief (though they say it differently) and not simply our sins, are what condemn us. The difference lies in your idea of the will of the believer to repent and believe being the turning point in undoing spiritual death, while the Calvinist believes the will and faith are results, and not causes, of new birth. It is a gift of God. "For it is God who works in you both to will and to do according to his good purpose." Another word you might find interesting is "Monergism", which speaks of the work of God in saving us being by his own motivation and act, and not ours. (But don't take my short definition there alone. —I don't claim to be a Calvinist and I don't want to misrepresent Calvinism).

Some other things you say are accurate and reasonable, such as the fact that entirely forgiven sin can't come back at us, to undo our spiritual regeneration. My reasoning agrees, but is based mainly on the fact that God will indeed accomplish whatever he set out to do, and it cannot be undone. Thus, even if I am not among those to whom he chose to show mercy, he is to be praised for his consuming power of purity and purpose, all of HIS own doing. If I have only fooled myself, thinking my decision of faith to be of some substance, it makes no difference as to who he is and what he has decided to do. And if I am among those to whom he chose to show mercy, I will not be lost.

prodromos · 2025-11-21T00:04:39-0600

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Oh great! Another person who responds with youtube videos that don't prove what he claims, instead of giving a reasoned response.
In the model you have presented, the sun will never rise or set, it will supposedly fade in and out of view. In your model the size of the sun should vary throughout the day, being smallest at dawn and dusk, and largest at noon. Instead, what we observe is that the sun remains exactly the same size throughout the day. Your model also fails to explain how the sun is visible in every part of Antarctic for 24hours a day during Summer.
So you have no argument. You fail.

Say it aint so · 2025-11-20T23:51:57-0600

Vambram said:
Nevertheless, President Trump has not issued any unlawful orders to the military.

He has mused about shooting protesters. Now, that was his last campaign where there were still people there erecting guardrails. There are no longer any guard rails in the either the executive branch, or the current GOP controlled congress. I personally would like to think the idea of not following illegal orders from any president something that all commanders of all branches stress. But to Trump, what he should be echoing "yes, that's right" is treason deserving the the death penalty. I mean, he did after all said he is not sure if he is obligated to uphold the constitution and the very pledge he took as president.

rjs330 · 2025-11-20T23:45:32-0600

DaisyDay said:
No, that is still a straw man.

Do you want to deport all illegal aliens?

another_lost_guy · 2025-11-20T23:44:19-0600

For some reason this fascinates me a lot. All of the eucharistic miracles suggest that Jesus has AB blood type. I have also heard that AB blood type was common in New Testament era Palestine. But AB is the universal receiver blood type, not the universal donor. Only those with AB blood can receive AB blood. AB blood is also extremely rare, with roughly 4% of people having it. Could this tie in to the path to heaven being narrow? Is Jesus not the universal donor? If so, wouldn't that necessitate Him having O negative blood? I'm trying to not sound like a Pharisee here, it is something I am genuinely curious about. How does blood type work in relation to communion?

Say it aint so · 2025-11-20T23:43:59-0600

Vambram said:
President Trump has never issued an illegal order to the military.

The reason why that video was created is because members of our military were consulting attorneys on what they may or may not be culpable for given Trump's authoritarianism.

Say it aint so · 2025-11-20T23:39:48-0600

rjs330 said:
We all knew he was friends with Epstein. Your conspiracy theory is noted.

It still wasn't part of his platform.

No conspiracy. I noted everyone who is now part of the Trump admin who beat the drums of a Epstein release along with Trump himself who said he would do just that.

Epsteins case was closed. So they decided not to go after the pedophiles involved? Just Epstein? What kind of nonsense is that. Especially if you had evidence Trump was involved.

What pedophiles? Who? If you have names other than the now dead Epstein and the Trump preferential treatment recipient Maxwell, authorities would like to hear from you.

This same New York that went full force after Trump for some silly paperwork stuff, but totally bailed on all this evidence that Trump was involved in the pedophilia? What kind of nonsense is that? And you want to call Bondi incompetent? New York woild have gone after Trump with both barrels if they had anything on him and you know it. There is nothing.

Oh my goodness. The NY AG is not the same as the US AG for the Southern District of NY. You know what, never mind. It's kind of hard to have dialogue with someone who has no clue what or who is what.

A2SG · 2025-11-20T23:36:27-0600

Servus said:
If he donated his kidney to a homeless stranger it wouldn't matter. The hate and loathing is too deeply ingrained.

Given Donald Trump's large history of fraud, proven in court on multiple occasions, how could anyone trust him if he did claim to do something as highly unlikely as that, or as equally unlikely as him singlehandedly curing cancer, another ridiculous scenario others have suggested?

Given his fraud history, and the fact that he lies constantly (according to Politifact, 219 "pants on fire" lies have been cited, as well as 442 "false" statements, and 216 "mostly false"), why would anyone believe anything he says?

To say nothing of the other criminal activity he's been proven guilty of, including 34 felonies.

Those of us who oppose or object to Trump do not feel that way based on nothing but irrational "hate and loathing," but because of the facts.

-- A2SG, reality matters....

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