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James Comey case: Ex-special counsel John Durham undercut case against James Comey in interview with prosecutors: Sources

Judge grills government over apparent lapses in Comey indictment

The case's prosecutor said the full grand jury didn't see the final indictment.

In reversal, DOJ says Comey indictment was reviewed by full grand jury

In a reversal from what the Department of Justice represented in court and in written filings Wednesday, federal prosecutors said Thursday that the full grand jury reviewed the indictment of former FBI Director James Comey.

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Why do people hate ICE...

“Secretary Neom unleashed ICE to deliver on the President’s mandate from the American people to remove criminal illegal aliens from our country.”
Yes, that lie that it was about 'removing criminals' and the 'worst of the worst' is a large part of what's motivating the anger.

And then there are the methods being used on noncriminals, legal residents, and citizens.
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Are the Jews Israel, or is the church Israel? Or does it depend on the context of the passage?

I'll take a shot at this one.

Questions 1-5
Both spiritual and ethnic.

Question 6
Spiritual
Oh! Really? We are now ethnic Israel? Wow! Never heard that before. Strange belief.
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Are the Jews Israel, or is the church Israel? Or does it depend on the context of the passage?

The text does not say that the good olive tree is Israel.

The good olive tree is people who believe God and are saved. Not any particular nation.
Paul gives us some interesting thoughts on it in Romans 11:17-24, speaking to the Roman Christians (who were overwhelmingly Gentiles): “thou, being a wild olive tree, wert graffed in among them, and with them, partakest of the root and fatness [or oiliness] of the olive tree. Boast not against the branches (Israel). But if thou boast, thou bearest not the root [Jesus], but the root [Jesus] thee. Thou wilt say then, The branches [Israel] were broken off, that I might be graffed in. Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear: For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee. Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off. And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be graffed in: for God is able to graff them in again. For if thou wert cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and wert graffed contrary to nature into a good olive tree: how much more shall these, which be the natural branches, be graffed into their own olive tree?”

Paul uses the image of “the olive tree” in Romans 11 to show that Gentiles have become part of true Israel. His olive tree analogy is deliberate and unambiguous. He takes this imagery from the prophets who likened Israel to an olive tree in Isaiah 5:7, Hosea 9:10 and 14:6-7.

This text very clearly and indisputably depicts the good olive tree as an Israeli tree. Speaking about Israelites, the texts speaks about “the natural branches” (Romans 11:21 and 24) being “graffed into “their own olive tree” (Romans 11:24). This is unquestionably an Israeli tree. There is no way it is merely an ethnic racial Israeli tree. Why would God graft us into an natural Christ-rejecting Israel? He would not! Such a thought would be ridiculous. We are grafted into believing Israel – true Isreal, the “remnant according to the election of grace” (Romans 11:5), “his people which he foreknew” (Romans 11:2), “the children of promise” (Galatians 4:28) or the “children … of the free (Galatians 4:31).”

Jews and Gentiles today are grafted into this spiritual Israeli tree by faith in Christ – who is ultimately true Israel. The New Testament Church today being one with Christ is therefore also true Israel. They have been integrated into believing Israel and have been enjoined to all the elect of the Old Testament era. As a prince they have indeed spiritual power with God and with men, and have prevailed. So, God does not have a separate plan for national Israel outside of the Church. Every Jew and Gentile who trusts in the Lord Jesus are God’s elect or faithful Israel.
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Chains of Bondage

THE LAW IS FULFILLED
“Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law. For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.” Romans 13:8–10 (KJV).

And everyone who has come into the new covenant knows that this does not mean freedom to practice sin, because God’s will is in our new nature, in our hearts. “We have the mind of Christ.” 1 Cor. 2:16.
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the myth of flat earth debunked again

I’m just curious, have you ever traveled all the way across Australia going east or west? If so what means of travel did you use and how long did it take?
Not sure of the relevance...but I just got back last week from driving from Sydney to Perth and back. Took 5 weeks, but that included a lot of stopping en route. Total distance driven: 10, 200km.
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What happens if someone dies before they became a believer, is it their fault?

Adam and Eve were created with sinless and had free will
But free will would eventually allow them to eventually make a self-indulgent choice. It was inevitable, just as telling a child 'hot' means nothing until they come to an understanding.
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What happens if someone dies before they became a believer, is it their fault?

For example, a young man just starting college is murdered. He didn't get to live a long life, while someone else becomes a believer in their 40's.

The person in their 40's had more time to accept Jesus, yet the young man didn't. It seems unfair, but what does the Bible say?

Was the young man probably never would have been a believer anyway? Are we sometimes saved not only because we accepted Jesus, but by chance we survived long enough to accept Jesus as our God? Or does this not make any sense?
In the eleventh article we ask: is it necessary to believe explicitly?

Obj. 1: It seems that it is not, for we should not posit any proposition from which an untenable conclusion follows. But, if we claim that explicit belief is necessary for salvation, an untenable conclusion follows. For it is possible for someone to be brought up in the forest or among wolves, and such a one cannot have explicit knowledge of any matter of faith. Thus, there will be a man who will inevitably be damned. But this is untenable. Hence, explicit belief in something does not seem necessary.

Reply Obj. 1: Granted that everyone is bound to believe something explicitly, no untenable conclusion follows even if someone is brought up in the forest or among wild beasts. For it pertains to divine providence to furnish everyone with what is necessary for salvation, provided that on his part there is no hindrance. Thus, if someone so brought up followed the direction of natural reason in seeking good and avoiding evil, we must most certainly hold that God would either reveal to him through internal inspiration what had to be believed, or would send some preacher of the faith to him as he sent Peter to Cornelius (Acts 10:20).


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"Don't Give up the Ship"

What illegal orders?

Do multiple violations of the Posse Comitatus Act count?

"Whoever, except in cases and under circumstances expressly authorized by the Constitution or Act of Congress, willfully uses any part of the Army, the Navy, the Marine Corps, the Air Force, or the Space Force as a posse comitatus or otherwise to execute the laws shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than two years, or both"


Or deployment of National Guard in violation of the terms of 10 U.S.C. § 12406 ?

Whenever--

(1) the United States, or any of the Commonwealths or possessions, is invaded or is in danger of invasion by a foreign nation;
(2) there is a rebellion or danger of a rebellion against the authority of the Government of the United States; or
(3) the President is unable with the regular forces to execute the laws of the United States;
the President may call into Federal service members and units of the National Guard of any State in such numbers as he considers necessary to repel the invasion, suppress the rebellion, or execute those laws. Orders for these purposes shall be issued through the governors of the States or, in the case of the District of Columbia, through the commanding general of the National Guard of the District of Columbia.

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"Don't Give up the Ship"

Is it even possible?

You can legally set a guilty criminal free or legally pass a death sentence to an innocent person.

You can also legally commit atrocities.

If you're asking if everything is possible legally, the answer is YES.

If you're an evil person wanting to do evil and you have lots of money/influence, you don't have to do things illegally to get what you want.
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Origin of Life

It's not science though.
It's science that we'll be discussing. Don't derail the thread.
You cannot demonstrate abiogenesis, no one has ever seen it occur, and it can't even be defined without vague terminology.
There are many things that can't be demonstrated. We can't demonstrate Colonel Mustard killing Professor Plum in the library with a lead pipe, so we look for evidence. And the definition of abiogenesis is quite straightforward. Just Google it. Then tell me if you understand the process of getting a sequence from the deck of cards.
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Death?

Trump accuses Democrats of 'seditious behavior, punishable by death,' for urging military to ignore illegal orders



As I watch the Ken Burns Documentary on the Revolution I reflect on where we are now and how fragile or American democratic dream is. Thrre have always been difficulties and challenges. How important it is to have a leader who can inspire the best in us, unify and lead by example.

Are the Jews Israel, or is the church Israel? Or does it depend on the context of the passage?

The Kingdom of God is not the Kingdom of Israel nor any other singular nation.

Seek you first the Kingdom of God.... Matthew 6:33.
Can you answer these simple questions?

1. The Bible says we (the redeemed of all nations and ethnic groups) have been grafted into 'an Israeli tree' (Romans 9-11). Is that an ethnic or spiritual tree?
2. The Bible says we who were once aliens from the "citizenship of Israel" have now been brought in through the blood of Christ to that privileged place (Ephesians 2). Is that ethnic or spiritual Israel?
3. The Bible says that Jew and Gentile alike, have now been graciously merged together into "the Israel of God" (Galatians 6:15-16). Is that ethnic or spiritual Israel?
4. The Bible says we are 'Jews' and we are "the circumcision" today (Romans 2:25-29; Philippians 3:3 and Colossians 2:11). Is that ethnic or spiritual Jews?
5. The Bible says we are "the children of Abraham" (Romans 4:11; 4:13-15; 4:16-18; 9:6-8; Galatians 3:7-9; 3:12-14; 3:16 and 3:26-29) today. Are we the ethnic or spiritual "children of Abraham"?
6. The Bible says we now reside and abide in "Jerusalem" and "Mount Zion" (Matthew 21:42-46; John 3:3; Romans 9:33; 11:26; Ephesians 1:3; Ephesians 2:4-6; Philippians 3:20; Hebrews 12:22 and 1 Peter 2:5-10). Is that natural physical earthly "Jerusalem" and "Mount Zion" or is that spiritual heavenly "Jerusalem" and "Mount Zion"?
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Are the Jews Israel, or is the church Israel? Or does it depend on the context of the passage?

The Kingdom of God is not the Kingdom of Israel nor any other singular nation.

Seek you first the Kingdom of God.... Matthew 6:33.
Who said it was?

Congrats on more avoidance. It sums up your position.
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