BCP1928 said:

Yes, many teens who are trans will indeed "grow out of it" if you want to put it that way. I think there is general agreement that aggressive irreversible treatments for minors like surgery is wrong.

But gender dysphoria is not the same as just being trans, it's a clinical condition which does require a clinical diagnosis and treatment.

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Ehhh.... One has to have a "gender dysphoria" diagnosis to get "gender affirming care" (hormones and surgery) thus "be trans".

One can still get counseling without a gender dysphoria diagnosis. And no one is stopping males or females from "cross dressing". And it is true; (I believe you are the one who actually said this) that gender non-conforming individuals, generally dress androgynously to avoid the social issues of being too obviously... not the sex one wishes to present as.

Hentenza said:

So let the parents make that decision instead of the school hiding it from the parents and encouraging it.

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What decision are you talking about?

chevyontheriver said:

If God tells you something it is your duty to inform your conscience of it.

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I see it differntly. Maybe it's just semantics. But I think the correct response to God when He leads, guides, directs, teaches, corrects, and comforts us from the intimacy of our own hearts is to believe what He says and respond as He directs. If He tells us to change denominations, then we should trust His voice and do what He says. If He tells us to not change our denomination, then we should trust His voice and do what He says. If He doesn't say anything to us about changing denominations, we shouldn't concerned about it.

There is no Bible verse that says, "Let your consience be your guide". On the contrary, there are many Bible verses that say things like "Trust in the Lord" (Pr 3:5), "Believe me" (Jn 14:11), and "Walk in the Spirit" ( Gal 5:25). Verses like these point point us to God as our leader and guide and confirm that everyone who places their trust in Him will not stumble or be put to shame (Rom 9:23).

We have an intimate personal relationship with the Lord. He lives in our hearts. There is no substitute for hearing Him and doing as He says. But doing so is not about proving ourselves to be faithful so that in the end we will obtain eternal life. It is about living out the eternal life that He has already given us. And it is about bearing fruit that enriches us and brings Him glory. Proverbs 3:5-6 sums it up well...

You might be saying the same thing in a different way, but it seems like informing our conscience and letting it be our guide creates a little distance between us and God.

The Righterzpen said:

Actually, yes they are! Interesting.... you actually admit that this is an issue.

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Of course it's an issue. It's the only substantive issue with regard to LGBT kids in schools.

Right now we are talking about cross-dressing.

Most sermons are boring in the same way that most school lectures are boring. Pastors give sermon lectures because in seminary they had four years of lectures.

I gave a bible study at a juvenile detention facility for several years. I had started the first time to give a lecture on the Prodigal son. However five minutes into the presentation I could tell how boring it was for them so I opened it up to any questions they might have. Sometimes you have to field off the wall questions like, "Will there be cars in heaven?". This was answered by asking what use a car would be without roads or gasoline.

Thereafter I just conducted the study by asking what questions they had. In 1 Corinthians 14 one finds that their assembly was also based on a Q&A session. (1Cor 14:35)

If your church has a small group bible study, you might find it more interesting if you can ask questions.

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I have already answered this question from you, so why do keep asking it.

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What was your answer, if I might ask, since I've not seen it.

BCP1928 said:

Yes, many teens who are trans will indeed "grow out of it" if you want to put it that way. I think there is general agreement that aggressive irreversible treatments for minors like surgery is wrong.

But gender dysphoria is not the same as just being trans, it's a clinical condition which does require a clinical diagnosis and treatment.

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So let the parents make that decision instead of the school hiding it from the parents and encouraging it.

Congressional Budget Office Lowers Tariff Savings Estimate By $1 Trillion​

Recent tariff changes will produce $3 trillion in total savings, the office said, down from the $4 trillion savings estimate it made in August.

Since these tariffs were supposed to partially pay for tax cuts for the wealthy, I guess we'll have to raise their taxes. We certainly wouldn't want to add an extra trillion to the debt, would we?

(Not to mention the debt that would come from those tariff checks)

Bradskii said:

That's a shame. I was hoping you could tell me why the moon appears upside down in Sydney compared to how it appears in Oregon.

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I have already answered this question from you, so why do keep asking it.

Am I seriously being asked to accept the Theological judgement of J.D. Vance over the Pope on matters of Catholic thinking and judgement?

Apple Sky said:

How can flat straight road curve over the horizon without going up or down ? Absolute rubbish.

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For someone who brings up perspective, you really know nothing about it.

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The fact is Rob Skibba could have died even though he did get a shot. Getting a vaccination was not 100% proof that the person would not get sick and die.

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The chances of death without a vaccine are dramatically higher particularly given the strain that he died of.

Hentenza said:

Because children don’t have the capacity to make life changing decisions and because a high percentage of gender dysphoria cases resolve by their late teens or early twenties.

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Yes, many teens who are trans will indeed "grow out of it" if you want to put it that way. I think there is general agreement that aggressive irreversible treatments for minors like surgery is wrong.

But gender dysphoria is not the same as just being trans, it's a clinical condition which does require a clinical diagnosis and treatment.

Valletta said:

Trump has compassion for the victims of war, and is trying to save as many lives as possible. I don't know if anyone here saw his interview with GB news, but there is a short discussion of such situations beginning around 34 minutes into the interview:

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That entire interview is Trump propaganda. Trump is trying to so hard to get credit for ending a war and he is in so far over his head. He is not motivated by compassion but is narcissistic ego.

Bradskii said:

Funnily enough I drove down that 90 mile road two weeks ago. Here's a piccie I took with my drone (video won't upload):

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It's a straight road. No bends or curves. The higher the drone went, the further I could see. Funny that. And if I get the drone to look out to sea at around 1,000m up (well away from civilisation where there may be restrictions) then you can see ships in the distance. But as the drone drops they dissapear over the horizon.

Why do you think that happens?

Oh, another thing. I've now driven across the continent north to south and east to west. The difference in distance is a few hundred kms. Your flat maps show Australia about 5x as wide in width compared to height.

Your flat earth map is very wrong indeed.

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How can flat straight road curve over the horizon without going up or down ? Absolute rubbish.

BobRyan said:

Neither Lucifer nor Adam "needed" a sinful nature to make a bad choice.

So if sinless beings without a sinful nature can make bad choices... how much more those WITH a sinful nature.

So much so that Rom 8 says

" For those who are according to the flesh (those who are not born again) set their minds on the things of the flesh, but those who are according to the Spirit, (those born again) the things of the Spirit. 6 For the mind set on the flesh is death, but the mind set on the Spirit is life and peace, 7 because the mind set on the flesh is hostile toward God; for it does not subject itself to the law of God, for it is not even able to do so, 8 and those who are in the flesh cannot please God."

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Good Bob, but Adam and Eve did sin with only one way to sin, did they not also have a "sinful nature" if you want to call it that? They were made "very good" but that is not perfect like Christ is perfect. Selfishly wanting something you did not need nor would help them at the time, sounds pretty fleshly. Yes, all mature adults do sin with tons of ways to sin, so we like Adam and Eve need something more.

BobRyan said:

Rom 3 "All have sinned and fallen short of God's righteous standard"

It is a bent toward sin.
A predisposition to rebellion that Adam did not have.

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Yes, we all sin, but what makes you think Eve on her own ability did not also have a predisposition to sin, because she did sin?

BobRyan said:

Yes in terms of category, no in terms of the detail mechanism. In other words "Jesus was not a crack baby", Was not born addicted to Cocaine. Yet he was tempted as we are, in fact even beyond what we are.

They had no "bent" toward rebellion against God, no bias in favor of sin or evil or rebellion

The New Creation of 2 Cor 5.

Adam and Eve were created with sinless natures and had free will

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If Adam and Eve were created with this "sinless nature", why did they sin with only one way to sin?
Christ had free will, so that is not the cause, and I see Christ being born with the same "nature" as us, but not sinning.

To stop sinning we need something more than what we were created with (including Adam and Eve) which Christ as an uncreated being always had.

Oompa Loompa said:

First, there are already processes in place for dealing with unlawful orders such as the chain of command and the judge advocates.

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Chain of command doesn't stop illegal orders. The UCMJ lists plenty of examples of what not to do, but they still occur, occasionally.

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Second, where the heck were Democrats when service members were being kicked out of the military for refusing the COVID vaccines?

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We actually had a real emergency situation under COVID. An outbreak in the military could devastate our readiness to protect people in our nation. Biden was trying to save lives from a very real threat and it wasn't an unlawful order. There are lots of vaccines required by the military.

Oompa Loompa said:

Third, what illegal orders are these democrats talking about?

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An illegal order is any order which violates the US Constitution or US laws.

Lybrah said:

I haven’t been going to church in a while. I feel like it’s boring. I find myself daydreaming and the sermons are good, but I really don’t like to sing or stand up. I like just saying prayers and even though the sermons are good, I don’t feel like going. I’m not really getting anything out of the Bible study, either, which is online. When I do go to church, I do tithe.
Am I falling away or is this not the right church for me? The people are nice.

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I have not been to the church (which is a southern baptist church) i grew up in, in a few years and really have no plans to go back. About the only way i would go back is if someone ask me to again teach a Sunday school class. And even then i may just would go to teach the class then go home.

BCP1928 said:

Because they are not. They are just smarter than we were about irreversible treatments for children like hormone intervention and surgery--which is only a small part of gender affirming care anyway.

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Actually, yes they are! Interesting.... you actually admit that this is an issue.

BCP1928 said:

No, everybody has the same rights, minority or majority.

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So then why does "minority rule" on this issue?

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Not qualified to answer that as I am a non-Catholic who was educated partly in Catholic schools and found them much more tolerant of religious freedom than anything you seem to have in mind. I think that the basis of it is that they have more confidence in the truth of their beliefs than conservative Protestants.

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If morals and ethics of religions should not be allowed in public schools; then why should this LGBTQ+++ "morals and ethics" be taught in public schools?

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That's why schools don't teach religious and moral understanding.

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That lady with a torch is still for sale.

BCP1928 said:

No one is being forced to think as they do.

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Mmmm… let’s see. Preferred pronouns, preferred name, conduct correction to make sure no one is “insulted”, the demonization of those that don’t think as they do, etc. etc. etc.

My spouse and I have a tradition of making holiday cards (I'm not the artistic one, but I do what I can) and sending them out. Friends and family adore them, but we definitely have seen the amount of reciprocation falling over the past decades. Some people have photocards made, with a few family photos collaged together, and those are much appreciated since we don't see some of these folks very often. But there's nothing like a card with even a short handwritten note. But it is definitely falling out of fashion.

The fact is Rob Skibba could have died even though he did get a shot. Getting a vaccination was not 100% proof that the person would not get sick and die.

The Righterzpen said:

Why then is all of Europe and Australia shutting down their "gender affirming care" clinics for children?

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Because they are not. They are just smarter than we were about irreversible treatments for children like hormone intervention and surgery--which is only a small part of gender affirming care anyway.

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1. I will posit that if the patient is informed and willing and the results are positive it really doesn't matter exactly what the treatment is (I imagining the 60s and 70s the thought of putting radiation in your body to fight cancer was a distasteful option).
2https://www.americanjournalofsurgery.com/article/S0002-9610(24)00238-1/abstract#:~:text=Regret after gender affirming surgery is less than 1 %.


lowest regret rate of any plastic surgery. Improvements in all facets of mental health too.

Why shouldn't people be able to feel better?

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Because children don’t have the capacity to make life changing decisions and because a high percentage of gender dysphoria cases resolve by their late teens or early twenties.