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Fervent · 2025-11-15T11:17:46-0600

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https://www.seattletimes.com/business/kroger-to-close-2-more-seattle-area-fred-meyer-stores/

Target to close 2 stores in Seattle, citing theft that threatens workers, shoppers

Target will close nine stores in four states, saying that theft and organized retail crime have threatened the safety of its workers and customers.

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So is the the stores or the news companies that are exaggerating?

And how does this compare to typical big cities, crime wise? Why do you suppose Seattle is different in this regard?

eleos1954 · 2025-11-15T11:16:34-0600

2 Thessalonians 2:8

8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:

MotoToTheMax · 2025-11-15T11:15:41-0600

eleos1954 said:
No ... just saying they both gave pardons and that some on both sides are questionable ... at least Trumps pardons weren't signed with an auto pen ... to me that fact is highly suspicious

Are you sure about that?

Oompa Loompa · 2025-11-15T11:15:36-0600

Fervent said:
'reports of [rampant shoplifting] have been greatly exagerrated"

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https://www.seattletimes.com/business/kroger-to-close-2-more-seattle-area-fred-meyer-stores/

Target to close 2 stores in Seattle, citing theft that threatens workers, shoppers

Target will close nine stores in four states, saying that theft and organized retail crime have threatened the safety of its workers and customers.

www.kiro7.com

So is the the stores or the news companies that are exaggerating?

Hvizsgyak · 2025-11-15T11:11:39-0600

Michie said:
Apologist Wes Huff recently responded to an influencer who claimed that the Bible was created hundreds of years after the time of Jesus “by a pagan emperor for political reasons.” In a post on Instagram, Adam Allred made a series of unorthodox claims about Jesus, Christianity, and the Bible.

“The Bible was literally voted on by a bunch of politicians and bishops in a room deciding what made the cut and what didn’t out of mounds of texts, centuries after the fact,” Allred said. “That’s like building your spiritual life around the minutes of a corporate board meeting.”

“This reference to a pagan emperor who supposedly compiled the books of the Bible,” said Huff in his response, “I only have to assume is referring to Constantine and the Council of Nicea. But there are some truly serious problems with this.”

Continued below.

Wes Huff Responds to Claim the Bible Was ‘Compiled Hundreds of Years’ After Jesus by a 'Pagan Emperor for Political Reasons’

Wesley Huff recently responded to influencer Adam Allred, who claimed that the Bible was created hundreds of years after the time of Jesus.

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It seems like every generation of Protestants (sorry, my Protestant brethren) has their "enlightened critics of how the Catholic Church (along with its Eastern counterpart, the Orthodox Church) has corrupted Christianity. Just like the same repetitive questions that come up here on the Christian Forum, people need to do a little bit more investigating before they make unsubstantiated criticisms about the Catholic Church that have been debunked many times over. Wes Huff has been known to make quite a few mistakes in his research and presentations. He really isn't a very good reliable source.

Someday, we will be all happily together in the same Church then, look out world God's unified Church will be a loving and wiser Church to be reckoned with.

Oompa Loompa · 2025-11-15T11:09:56-0600

essentialsaltes said:
DUBAI, United Arab Emirates (AP) — Iran seized a Marshall Islands-flagged oil tanker as it traveled through the narrow Strait of Hormuz on Friday, a U.S. official said, turning the ship into Iranian territorial waters in the first-such interdiction in months in the strategic waterway.

Sounds like Operation Praying Mantis 2.0 is in order.

Hentenza · 2025-11-15T11:08:28-0600

SabbathBlessings said:
The New Covenant according to God. Yes, the old one is obsolete, the new one established on better promises Heb8:6 not new laws that sadly most teaches that is not found in our Bibles and against the direction of Jesus Mat5:19-30.

Jer 31:33 But this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the Lord: I will put My law in their minds, and write it on their [i]hearts; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people.

Heb 8:10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the Lord: I will put My laws in their mind and write them on their hearts; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people.

Heb 10:16 “This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, says the Lord: I will put My laws into their hearts, and in their minds I will write them,”

Who defines God's laws, us or God, the Creator of everything.

The answer clearly is God. Deut4:13 Exo34:28 Exo20:6

Why Paul confirms (not that we would need him to if we allow God to be God)

2 Cor3:3 clearly you are an epistle of Christ, ministered by us, written not with ink but by the Spirit of the living God, not on tablets of stone

Which law was written on tablets of stone, only the Ten Commandments, I would like to see man write with their finger on stone.

Deut 4:13 So He declared to you His covenant which He commanded you to perform, the Ten Commandments; and He wrote them on two tablets of stone.

And where did this law go that God claimed this unit as His? Exo20:6 My commandments- the God of the entire Universe. Lets not speak for God, we are told not to Pro30:6

but on tablets of flesh, that is, of the heart.

The New Covenant- the location of God's laws changed, the promises of how we can keep them through His Spirit if we cooperate with God John14:15-18 Rom8:7-8 God, keeping His promise not to change the words of His covenant Psa89:34, not a jot or tittle Mat5:18-19 and man cannot change the law of God, because we are not God. Man can't sanctify a day or sanctify ourselves, we need the power of the living God who connected this to His Sabbath Exo20:11 Eze20:12 Gen2:3 we can go after our own sanctification, but its not God's Isa66:17

Your interpretation of every single verse that you posted has already been refuted multiple times. Secondly your argument is heavily sided from the old covenant and only borrows a couple of verses from the new covenant that you think agree with you. What I don’t see you argue is the purpose of the Holy Spirit in the new covenant versus the old covenant. Your argument emphasizes in the OT law not on the council and guidance of the Spirit. Your argument is a legalist argument in which the logical ending is a salvation by works. You can say otherwise but it is clear from

Studyman · 2025-11-15T11:08:25-0600

pasifika said:
There's lots of verses regarding the Pharisees, read Matthew 23, John 7:19, etc

I was addressing your teaching, "The Pharisees we're promoting the old covenant Law."

The Scriptures you posted, expose this teaching as untrue according to Jesus. The Pharisees were not promoting God's Laws at all. At least this is what the Jesus "of the Bible" teaches about them.

eleos1954 · 2025-11-15T11:06:00-0600

GloryToHisName said:
I am familiar with that outline, and I feel like this double 70 weeks in the true interpretation

Please explain how you consider it "double"

eleos1954 · 2025-11-15T11:04:24-0600

Bob S said:
and put in motion after the Israelites crossed the Red Sea.

I agree it was the symbol of creation. Jesus is the living proof.

Where did you find that in scripture or is it just a cliche?

Why would you try to establish something that cannot be proved?

Our creator and redeemer

Colossians 1:15-17 is a view of Jesus as both creator and redeemer, as it describes Him as the one "through whom all things were created" and "in whom all things hold together". Other supporting verses include John 1:1-3 and Titus 2:13-14, which speaks of Jesus as "our great God and Savior," and Revelation 14:7, which connects fearing God, giving Him glory, and worshipping the Creator to the final judgment.

ss51 · 2025-11-15T11:01:57-0600

Good old Savage! Still making awesome sporting arms!
Thank you for posting!

eleos1954 · 2025-11-15T11:00:52-0600

Yttrium said:
Are you saying that Biden't corrupt pardons justify Trump's corrupt pardons?

I disagree.

No ... just saying they both gave pardons and that some on both sides are questionable ... at least Trumps pardons weren't signed with an auto pen ... to me that fact is highly suspicious

BelieveItOarKnot · 2025-11-15T10:55:05-0600

Clare73 said:
Hardly. . ."eternal life" is more than just immortal, it is God's life

And God then gives immortal life to others, but that giving is not from God?

Do you see the dilemma in such postures yet?

Only God can grant immortality and God ALONE dwells in and has the power to grant HIS immortality in order to "give it."

Said "immortality" therefore has to come from God, which is the general point. You are trying to isolate God from immortality, which is kinda nutz.

jonojim1337 · 2025-11-15T10:49:27-0600

Robban said:
I wrote, I never use Wiki, because i never use wIki, do you understand?

Use whatever you want, just bring some proof of your claim

DaisyDay · 2025-11-15T10:44:20-0600

essentialsaltes said:
MAGA Rages at Kristi Noem Saying Trump Admin Has ‘Sped Up’ Legal Immigration Process
Noem was quickly dragged by prominent MAGA media influencers. The Daily Wire’s Matt Walsh replied to a viral clip of her comments, “We do not want or need more people to become citizens.”

Steve Bannon’s White House correspondent Natalie Winters hit back, “Not sure what is worse: this actually happening or the admin thinking this is a ‘win.’”

@rjs330 - this seems to be the link you were requesting...

pasifika · 2025-11-15T10:40:53-0600

Freth said:
Genesis 26:5 shows that Abraham was aware of the law much earlier. It was the reason for God's promise to Abraham.

Genesis 26:2-5 And the Lord appeared unto him, and said, Go not down into Egypt; dwell in the land which I shall tell thee of: Sojourn in this land, and I will be with thee, and will bless thee; for unto thee, and unto thy seed, I will give all these countries, and I will perform the oath which I sware unto Abraham thy father; And I will make thy seed to multiply as the stars of heaven, and will give unto thy seed all these countries; and in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed; Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws.

We are heirs to the same promise:

Galatians 3:28-29 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

If we are heirs to the same promise, are we not held to the same standard? The very reason for the promise? What does Jesus say?

Luke 13:28 There shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth, when ye shall see Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, and all the prophets, in the kingdom of God, and you yourselves thrust out.

Matthew 19:17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.

What law you talking about? Definitely not the law "given" at Sinai 430years later after God made a covenant with him. Galatians 3.

Do you know what law?

BelieveItOarKnot · 2025-11-15T10:40:38-0600

My how the errors in choices creep in.

Adam received “the command” from God, the quite entirely infamous “do not eat OR ELSE” command that we apparently all fell under.

Eve was not yet separated and formed from Adam. But Eve apparently had heard the command. How so?

Gen. 3:
2 And the woman said unto the serpent, We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden:
3 But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die.

So we have 3 basic possibilities where this repeating of the command from God came from. We have no record of God repeating it to Eve. She may have had an inert or inner understanding of the command, being “within” Adam at the time, (God called them BOTH Adam on the day they were created-Gen. 5) OR the most likely source, Adam himself.

In any case Eve clearly got the command wrong, adding to it the statement that they may not “touch it.” God never said that. In fact they were meant to tend to the Garden and presumably every tree therein, inclusive of the infamous tree of knowledge of good/evil. An error was already in place and an unknown violation of God's Intentions for them, again most likely from the recount of Adam of that command, which would essentially prove his own fault in listening or retelling or tending the Garden. Or Eve made up the error herself, again showing error was in her own mind. In any case the command was mangled in her own mind and statements in stating the command to the serpent. She basically erred to the serpent and of course the serpent struck from there, getting her to consider making a “MORAL CHOICE.” Perhaps not even cognizant of the fact that she already erred.

So Eve starts her decision making with a built in fault. An error in recounting the exact command, to not “touch” the tree.

And here is where her decision making starts, all quite in line with making a good moral decision for herself:

Gen. 3:
6 And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat.

A classic setup for making a moral choice.

Good/Pleasant/Wise. What could possibly go wrong?

What’s wrong with the picture is that we fail to see that lawlessness was already at work within both Adam, who never even bothered to correct Eve’s misstatement of the command, and Eve, showing that LUST, LUST and PRIDE was already within her, referring to this pattern stated by John in:

1 John 2:16
For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.

Basically the things of the Father were NOT in Eve, but things of the world: good for food, pleasant to the eyes, the pride of being wise. All seemingly legitimate on the surface using the world’s decision making moral choice methods.

I honestly would hardly find fault in the decision making process, that we all employ daily. In many ways this decision making course is required to even survive. We have to eat. We like to eat things that please our eyes and we certainly are not rewarded for making foolish decisions.

But you see none of these observations are even accurate. What is accurate is that the package of Adam and Eve came PREPACKAGED with FAULTS.

Paul outlined this clearly in 1 Cor. 15:42-46 showing us exactly the conditions that
Adam and “all” natural people are planted in. These 3 things also correlate to Eve’s built in flaws:

Planted in corruption
Planted in dishonor
Planted in weakness

Is there supposed to be some surprise if outcome of making decisions with those pre-existing conditions is not and can never be moral? We make every decision from those planted conditions. Basically being seeded in dung, within the darkness of earth, our own dust body.

And lets not ignore what really happened to both Adam and Eve. Where the Word is sown, Satan comes immediately in our hearts to STEAL, to SIN in our own hearts via THEFT.

Obviously both Adam and Eve were stolen from within.

I believe the tempter was already at work within them both from the moment they first heard the Words of God. Yet hardly a one of us can see it, because we too have been stolen from.

And in this state we can’t even be honest with ourselves about it.

Instead we’ll claim that we justify ourselves by making good moral decisions, even with the hard line fact of EVIL CHOICES WITHIN TO CHOOSE FROM.

Remember these Words from Jesus: EVIL COMES FROM WITHIN.

It’s not optional, so let’s not try to pull Jesus’ Leg about it claiming we’re legally obedient and making good moral cnoices. Evil thoughts defile us all, period.

Mark 7:21-23

You have to love an HONEST BOOK. And of course not everything is as it appears on the surface, or in the mirror

Bob S · 2025-11-15T10:40:10-0600

Leo AL wrote:
I understand your perspective. You're suggesting that:

The Sabbath is no longer binding for those outside of Israel, as it was originally given to the nation of Israel.
The timing of the Sabbath is inconsistent due to the International Date Line, which creates a disconnect between the astronomical day and the day observed by those who attempt to keep the Sabbath.

I disagree with #1. I believe the Sabbath is no longer binding anywhere on Earth. God gave the New Covenant to all who dwell on Earth. It was promised in Jeremiah to Israel and Judah, and Jesus the Savior extended it to every living soul. The Sabbath command was never binding to any other nation.

Strong in Him · 2025-11-15T10:40:05-0600

Apple Sky said:
Do people care what I think ?

Yes, but in your case, it's only what you think.
There is well documented evidence that the earth is a globe - and people who know more than I do have been explaining it to you. But your response always is "fake", "lies", or "that's what THEY want you to believe".

Apple Sky said:
Do people debate over the probabilities ?

What probabilities?
The earth is a globe. Sunsets, sunrises and no doubt many other things happen because the earth is a globe.
These are facts; we can see them every day.
People went to Antarctica and saw a 24 hours sun; fact.
Those flat earthers who saw it and who are honest are now saying, "oh. Well we'll have to rethink our position." Some flat earthers who didn't see it are stubbornly refusing to accept it and are insisting that the experiment was faked. Either they refuse to consider anything that will challenge their beliefs or they're going around like a child with its fingers in its ears - "la, la, la; can't hear you."

Apple Sky said:
No, people just laugh & scorn & are always in demand of the evidence.

Would you care to count how many posts we have written where your response has been, "prove it"?

Apple Sky said:
This is the same ol story what ever I post.

It's not surprising.
i) you have said that you are addicted to conspiracy theories.
ii) You will not consider evidence contrary to your position - you've just said it, "evidence or not; there are no satellites."
iii) If you don't have an answer to a question you change the subject,
iv) or maybe say, "THEY have faked it", "THEY want us to believe ....", "you can't trust anything THEY say."
v) you won't Google anything that we suggest you check - because THEY are lying to you and will tell you more lies.
vi) if you can't answer a post you pick one sentence, or bit of it, and comment on, or laugh at, that.
vii) to have a debate, you would need to be prepared to look at the evidence both for, and against, your position. Such evidence might then strengthen your argument, or it might contradict and smash it to pieces.
viii) Even if someone set up a formal debate on the subject of flat earth with a whole mountain load of evidence to illustrate that it is real, you would refuse to accept it.

I've no doubt that, even after reading all that, you will still believe that you are correct and it's everyone else who is against you.

Clare73 · 2025-11-15T10:39:25-0600

BelieveItOarKnot said:
When discussing "eternal life" and "immortal life" they are technically identical

Hardly. . ."eternal life" is more than just "immortal," it is God's life. . .which is not the same as human life which is not the same as animal life which is not the same as plant life.
My human spirit has immortal life, but it does not have God's (eternal) life, apart from the new birth into that life (Jn 3:3-8).

BelieveItOarKnot said:
Your claim differentiated these states and your response didn't seem to pick up on the logic flaw

It's not about logic, it's about their nature. . .they are not the same life, as easily seen between human life and plant life.

hedrick · 2025-11-15T10:39:05-0600

hopeforhappiness said:
"For us and for our salvation he came down from heaven,
was incarnate from the Holy Spirit and the Virgin Mary
and was made man.
For our sake he was crucified under Pontius Pilate;
he suffered death and was buried"
My denomination in its local expression really dislikes the atonement and I have been wanting to present source documents to preachers to challenge them. (I have even shown them their own official catechism). Most of our preachers would simply find comfort and support for their liberal theology from this section. What they DON'T like is the Father giving His Son in order in anyway to assuage His anger at our rebellion.
I wish this foundational creed was stronger on Jesus dying for our SINS (our rebellion against God)
Is this a problem for the reformed. or can we just say that this creed was put together in response to the attacks on the person of Christ rather than His work?

What you describe is penal substitution. It's perfectly possible to believe that Christ died for us without believing that it was needed to assuage God's anger. E.g. one could take Paul's view that through union with Christ we pass from bondage to sin to freedom. Calvin proposed something similar to that: that our mystical union with Christ creates a "community of righteousness" with him.

"For our sake" doesn't commit us to any specific theory of the atonement. I don't think you need to apologize for it. It's not a Reformed confession. It's a more generic statement of Christianity.

pasifika · 2025-11-15T10:34:47-0600

Studyman said:
That is a popular teaching promoted by this world's religious system. But in my studies, the Jesus "of the Bible" said more to define the religion of the Pharisees that anyone in the New Testament. Can you show me even one verse where Jesus taught men that the Pharisees were promoting God's Laws given to Moses? I mean, they were promoting "some" of God's Laws. Even satan promotes "some" of God's Laws.

Matt. 23: 23 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.

Isaiah, Jeremiah, Ezekiel, Malachi, all teach that the father's of the Pharisees rejected God's Laws, not that they promoted them. Who then, if not Jesus, or Isaiah, Jeremiah, Ezekiel, or Malachi, is teaching you that the Pharisees were "promoting" God's Laws?

There's lots of verses regarding the Pharisees, read Matthew 23, John 7:19, etc

Clare73 · 2025-11-15T10:32:32-0600

Valletta said:
I was just reading from Wisdom this morning. God-breathed text. Actually early Christians, inspired by the Holy Spirit, decided upon 73 books for the Bible. They did so in accordance with the deposit of the faith, which ended with the death of the last Apostle. There were not 66 book Bibles until reformation times when seven books were dropped by men. My point is that the canon of the Bible is not found within Holy Scripture. The 73 book canon comes from Sacred Tradition. Other parts of the faith, such as the Assumption of Mary, are also not explicitly in the Bible. That too is also part of Sacred Tradition. Likewise our understanding of the Holy Trinity is not explicitly in the Bible.

Yes, our understanding of the Trinity is from Scripture.

Jesus brackets together the Father, Son and Holy Spirit as the Triune name of God (Mt 28:19).
Paul uses all three interchangeably (1 Co 12:4-6);
they are linked for prayer for divine (Godhood) blessing (2 Co 13:14),
they are linked in pronouncement of divine (Godhood) blessing (Rev 1:4-5).

Landon Caeli · 2025-11-15T10:31:56-0600

iluvatar5150 said:
Since when is driving a truck a "good paying job"? Maybe it pays well if you've got some extra certifications and drive for a specialty outfit doing stuff like high security or way oversized loads, but everything I hear about vanilla hauling is that it's a race to the bottom and that the industry is full of predatory firms conning drivers into expensive loans. And it's probably within a generation of being completely replaced by robots.

It's stable employment with competitive pay. I don't see why you're downplaying it, or how you justify that it's not a good job.

Bias against blue collar workers is a very common mistake made by the uninformed. I'm a blue collar worker myself, and I bet I make more than 90% of the posters on this forum, or better, even with your college degrees.

JohnB445 · 2025-11-15T10:31:42-0600

I am learning more about the Bible.

What happens in the future? Where there be an eternity of people being on Earth then dying later to be judged or will there come a point where there is no longer a need to judge and either people are in heaven or hell. And there are no more people left for God to judge?

If that is the case, what happens next? Is it possible for another rebellion to occur and people get kicked out of heaven? Remember the angels rebelled from the very beginning.

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