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Bradskii · 2025-11-20T17:57:35-0600

RileyG said:
Define life and alive. Even germs can be considered “alive” eh?

That was done in one of the first posts.

lucypevensie · 2025-11-20T17:56:10-0600

Football field

Bradskii · 2025-11-20T17:54:55-0600

AV1611VET said:
It's not science though.

It's science that we'll be discussing. Don't derail the thread.

AV1611VET said:
You cannot demonstrate abiogenesis, no one has ever seen it occur, and it can't even be defined without vague terminology.

There are many things that can't be demonstrated. We can't demonstrate Colonel Mustard killing Professor Plum in the library with a lead pipe, so we look for evidence. And the definition of abiogenesis is quite straightforward. Just Google it. Then tell me if you understand the process of getting a sequence from the deck of cards.

lucypevensie · 2025-11-20T17:54:50-0600

Apple Sky said:
Sunset of orange not on

UVOOV

Usually Vulcans operate on Venutians.

SEDAN

Akita Suggagaki · 2025-11-20T17:54:49-0600

Trump accuses Democrats of 'seditious behavior, punishable by death,' for urging military to ignore illegal orders

Trump accuses Democrats of 'seditious behavior, punishable by death,' for urging military to ignore illegal orders

Trump called for the Democratic lawmakers to be "arrested and placed on trial" in social media posts.

www.nbcnews.com

As I watch the Ken Burns Documentary on the Revolution I reflect on where we are now and how fragile or American democratic dream is. Thrre have always been difficulties and challenges. How important it is to have a leader who can inspire the best in us, unify and lead by example.

sovereigngrace · 2025-11-20T17:54:29-0600

Douggg said:
The Kingdom of God is not the Kingdom of Israel nor any other singular nation.

Seek you first the Kingdom of God.... Matthew 6:33.

Can you answer these simple questions?

1. The Bible says we (the redeemed of all nations and ethnic groups) have been grafted into 'an Israeli tree' (Romans 9-11). Is that an ethnic or spiritual tree?
2. The Bible says we who were once aliens from the "citizenship of Israel" have now been brought in through the blood of Christ to that privileged place (Ephesians 2). Is that ethnic or spiritual Israel?
3. The Bible says that Jew and Gentile alike, have now been graciously merged together into "the Israel of God" (Galatians 6:15-16). Is that ethnic or spiritual Israel?
4. The Bible says we are 'Jews' and we are "the circumcision" today (Romans 2:25-29; Philippians 3:3 and Colossians 2:11). Is that ethnic or spiritual Jews?
5. The Bible says we are "the children of Abraham" (Romans 4:11; 4:13-15; 4:16-18; 9:6-8; Galatians 3:7-9; 3:12-14; 3:16 and 3:26-29) today. Are we the ethnic or spiritual "children of Abraham"?
6. The Bible says we now reside and abide in "Jerusalem" and "Mount Zion" (Matthew 21:42-46; John 3:3; Romans 9:33; 11:26; Ephesians 1:3; Ephesians 2:4-6; Philippians 3:20; Hebrews 12:22 and 1 Peter 2:5-10). Is that natural physical earthly "Jerusalem" and "Mount Zion" or is that spiritual heavenly "Jerusalem" and "Mount Zion"?

sovereigngrace · 2025-11-20T17:54:05-0600

Douggg said:
The Kingdom of God is not the Kingdom of Israel nor any other singular nation.

Seek you first the Kingdom of God.... Matthew 6:33.

Who said it was?

Congrats on more avoidance. It sums up your position.

essentialsaltes · 2025-11-20T17:53:52-0600

I wonder if the sedition/treason statute of limitations has run out on all the folks who publicly supported Terry Lakin's refusal of a what-he-wrongly-considered an unlawful order.

fhansen · 2025-11-20T17:53:47-0600

Dan1988 said:
I have never read any of John Calvin's books, I'm too busy studying theology. In any case I'm sure Calvin, never claimed that God created some specific purpose of tormenting them in hell.

Um...Institutes of the Christian Religion is theology. What theology do you study-Jack Chick? Anyway, it appears you're again sure of what you don't know.

lucypevensie · 2025-11-20T17:52:42-0600

Nate abandoned the old sedan.

SEDAN

Douggg · 2025-11-20T17:50:11-0600

sovereigngrace said:
Can you answer these simple questions?

1. The Bible says we (the redeemed of all nations and ethnic groups) have been grafted into 'an Israeli tree' (Romans 9-11). Is that an ethnic or spiritual tree?
2. The Bible says we who were once aliens from the "citizenship of Israel" have now been brought in through the blood of Christ to that privileged place (Ephesians 2). Is that ethnic or spiritual Israel?
3. The Bible says that Jew and Gentile alike, have now been graciously merged together into "the Israel of God" (Galatians 6:15-16). Is that ethnic or spiritual Israel?
4. The Bible says we are 'Jews' and we are "the circumcision" today (Romans 2:25-29; Philippians 3:3 and Colossians 2:11). Is that ethnic or spiritual Jews?
5. The Bible says we are "the children of Abraham" (Romans 4:11; 4:13-15; 4:16-18; 9:6-8; Galatians 3:7-9; 3:12-14; 3:16 and 3:26-29) today. Are we the ethnic or spiritual "children of Abraham"?
6. The Bible says we now reside and abide in "Jerusalem" and "Mount Zion" (Matthew 21:42-46; John 3:3; Romans 9:33; 11:26; Ephesians 1:3; Ephesians 2:4-6; Philippians 3:20; Hebrews 12:22 and 1 Peter 2:5-10). Is that natural physical earthly "Jerusalem" and "Mount Zion" or is that spiritual heavenly "Jerusalem" and "Mount Zion"?

The Kingdom of God is not the Kingdom of Israel nor any other singular nation.

Seek you first the Kingdom of God.... Matthew 6:33.

fhansen · 2025-11-20T17:49:53-0600

Dan1988 said:
I'm not sure which verse or chapter of 2 Tess you're referring to, but I already know that it doesn't mean what your trying to suggest it's saying.

I see. and that's called presumption-and is the reason you don't know the faith well. You don't know much about the historical foundations and theological legacy of the church, and apparently didn't bother to read the quote from Thess already given in post #552. How can you claim to know anything, or credibly and honestly respond to anyone's posts, if you don't even read them?

wing2000 · 2025-11-20T17:42:24-0600

Always in His Presence said:
Has he?

"Should he..."

Always in His Presence said:
If not - what is the purpose of the video?

....to let service members Congress, or at least some members of Congress, has their back.

PloverWing · 2025-11-20T17:40:23-0600

Obviously, I need Grok to cite its sources. But assuming that the list is correct, or at least partly correct, I'm glad he has done some kind things for people along the way. It's a side of his personality that he keeps pretty well hidden these days, but it's encouraging to think that there have been some generous actions in his life.

Bradskii · 2025-11-20T17:38:27-0600

AV1611VET said:
Would you say then, that a living [plant or] animal is a gestalt?

That is, it is greater than the sum of its parts?

No, it is the actual sum of it's parts. That's why there is no single definition. It's a combination of things that determine if something is alive.

AV1611VET said:
As Kent pointed out, once you shut the blender off, you still need to introduce energy back into the equation.

We've gone through this. We all agree, including Hovind, that you can't simply mix the constituents and immediately get all the characteristics appearing (plugging them into the mains makes no difference). It's like Hoyle's metaphor of a tornado through a junkyard producing a 747. It ain't going to happen. So we'll ignore that and investigate how it could happen.

We need to go back to looking at dealing cards.

Always in His Presence · 2025-11-20T17:37:52-0600

wing2000 said:
Should the President issue an illegal order, military members may disobey the order.

Has he?

If not - what is the purpose of the video?

Always in His Presence · 2025-11-20T17:36:24-0600

Anti-ICE protesters turn violent outside Chicago facility; 21 arrested after clash injures 4 officers

FreeinChrist · 2025-11-20T17:36:06-0600

ADVISOR HAT

This thread is closed for staff review.

Remember, the site flaming rule includes:

Stating or implying that another Christian member, or group of members, are not Christian is not allowed.

wing2000 · 2025-11-20T17:35:11-0600

Vambram said:
President Trump has never issued an illegal order to the military.

Good. And hopefully never will. His reaction suggest otherwise.

Always in His Presence · 2025-11-20T17:34:54-0600

Protesters arrested, officers injured in clash outside Chicago-area immigration facility

The office said the four officers were injured while trying to redirect protesters off a roadway and back behind a barrier. Two Broadview police officers and one Cook County Sheriff’s Police officer were taken to a hospital.

timothyu · 2025-11-20T17:34:06-0600

jonojim1337 said:
But I think that whatever gain we earn here, such as coming to repentance, will be embedded in the energies of our soul and brought with us.

Certainly. By our fruits we show we are worthy to proceed to the next step with the understanding gained of how His will supersedes ours.

GloryToHisName · 2025-11-20T17:33:52-0600

GloryToHisName said:
Daniel 9:27 — “The Week, the Half, and the One Week”

Many translations simplify Daniel 9:27 to “in the middle of the week.”
But the Hebrew text reads more intricately:

הַשָּׁבוּעַ חֲצִי הָאֶחָד שָׁבוּעַ
ha-shavua ḥetzi ha-eḥad shavua
Literal order: “the week, the half, and the one week.”

This layered structure suggests not just a single “half-week,” but a week and a half —
a full week plus the midpoint of another.

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Word-by-Word Breakdown

HebrewTransliterationMeaning

הַשָּׁבוּעַha-shavuathe week
חֲצִיḥetzithe half
הָאֶחָדha-eḥadthe one
שָׁבוּעַshavuaweek

Pattern: “the week → the half → the one week.”
That sequence naturally reads as “a week and a half (of one week).”

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Interpretive Sense

“He will cause the many of the covenant to prevail for the week and a half of the one week.”

This keeps every word of the Hebrew and shows a continuous covenant period —
a full week completed, then the half of another week where the covenant breaks
and the sacrifice and offering cease.

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Timeline

Week One → Half of Next Week → TakeAway Sacrifice Ends

This pattern fits the prophetic rhythm of Daniel’s vision —
not merely “half of one week,” but a week and a half in total,
bridging one com
plete period into the opening half of the next.

> My translation:
“Know and understand from the going forth of the word to build and restore Jerusalem for an anointed one and a ruler, seven sevens; 60 weeks, the second; and again it shall be returned and built.”

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1. “Know and understand from the going forth of the word to build and restore Jerusalem”

Hebrew: מִן־מֹצָא דָבָר לִבְנוֹת וְלְהָשִׁיב יְרוּשָׁלִם

Infinitives לִבְנוֹת (to build) and לְהָשִׁיב (to restore) are coordinated with וְ (and) to indicate purpose/result, not ongoing action.

Order: build first, restore second, reflecting structural construction followed by functional restoration.

Keeping these infinitives in one continuous sentence preserves the Hebrew sequence, avoiding fragmentation seen in many standard translations.

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2. “For an anointed one and a ruler, seven sevens”

Hebrew: לְנָגִיד וּמָשִׁיחַ שִׁבְעָה שִׁבְעִים

נָגִיד = ruler; מָשִׁיחַ = anointed one.

שִׁבְעָה שִׁבְעִים literally = “seven sevens” (7×7 = 49 years).

Singular forms for “seven” (שִׁבְעָה) are used multiplicatively, justifying 7-7s instead of 77. See Genesis 4:24 for parallel usage. This allows for wordplay: the total period from Cyrus to Artaxerxes can be seen as 77 years, while the 7×7 form highlights the 49-year interval actually taken for the rebuilding and restoration. The Hebrew construction permits both readings simultaneously, showing both the full historical span and the structural timing of the restoration.

Historically: anointed one = Cyrus, ruler = Artaxerxes, marking the period required for initial rebuilding and restoration.

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3. “Wordplay on 49 years and 77”

77 years = total from Cyrus to Artaxerxes; 49 years = 7×7, the time actually taken to build and restore.

This reflects a Hebrew literary technique where numbers convey historical and structural significance, not just sequential counting.

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4. “60 weeks, the second”

Hebrew: שִׁשִּׁים הַשֵּׁנִי

שִׁשִּׁים = 60 (cardinal), הַשֵּׁנִי = “the second” (ordinal).

Marks the 60th week in the second 70-week cycle, not the start of the second cycle.

Historical marker: Jerusalem returned and rebuilt under Israeli control in 1967. Counting backward identifies Suleiman (1542) as the ruler who restored the city’s walls.

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5. “And again it shall be returned and built”

Infinitive + imperfect וְשׁוּב יִבָּנֶה וְיָשֻׁב preserves purpose/result.

Refers to the second return/building (1967), aligning with historical Israel.

Full second 70-week cycle concludes in 2032, marking the Righteous Age under Christ’s rule.

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Integration with Daniel 9:24 (dual 70-week cycles):

In Daniel 9:24, the Hebrew חֻלַּק (chullaq) means “divided” or “portioned,” highlighting that the seventy weeks are split into two distinct 70-week cycles, each with its own purpose.

Seventy weeks are **divided out** for your people and your holy city:

Key grammatical points:

1. Infinitives form a single coordinated sequence, not separate sets.

2. Infinitives indicate purpose/result, not ongoing action.

3. Numerical wordplay (7-7s / 49 years) aligns with Hebrew usage.

4. Ordinal “second” marks the 60th week in the second 70-week cycle.

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Interpretive Summary:

Two sequential 70-week cycles:

1. First 70 weeks: Artaxerxes → rebuilding/restoration → Messiah.

2. Second 70 weeks: Suleiman restores walls (1542) → second return under Israeli control (1967) → full cycle concludes 2032 → Righteous Age.

Preserving Hebrew infinitives, numeric wordplay, and ordinal markers allows English readers to follow both the literary structure and historical/eschatological flow.

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