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Now ask them about a flying scroll that has a message on it regarding thieves and those who speak falsely; ask them to explain how that is like a nuclear missile.Ask someone: What is a large round object; longer than its diameter, that has its contents under a lead cover and it flies long distances through the atmosphere? Just about everyone today would answer: A nuke missile.
You're not a prophet. You were wrong in 2012.It is not possible for Gods Prophets to be wrong.
Yes, because Jesus will return one day.God will take action in His Creation again, as He did in the days of Noah.
...is something that would carry more weight if you didn't need to post links to Breibart. Why...I have absolutely no idea. It's almost as all you want to do is admit your argument has no worth. Or at least someone else's argument.What this is really about is....
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Fetterman: The Democrats 'Own the Shutdown,' This Is an 'Absolute Fail'
On Sunday, during an appearance on CNN's "State of the Union," Sen. John Fetterman (D-PA) said that Democrats "own the shutdown," which he described as a "fail." | Clipswww.breitbart.com
What’s the problem? We just gave 40b to Argentina but can’t spend 35 on our own people to have access to healthcare? Why does the GOP want Americans to suffer?Democrats again are making an outrageous demand. Let them give 35 billion dollars to the insurance companies from their own pockets instead of from the pockets of working taxpayers. They need to pass the continuing resolution and start working with President Trump and the GOP to lower health care costs.
Ask someone: What is a large round object; longer than its diameter, that has its contents under a lead cover and it flies long distances through the atmosphere? Just about everyone today would answer: A nuke missile.seems you're the only one who can "see it".
It is not possible for Gods Prophets to be wrong. God will take action in His Creation again, as He did in the days of Noah.Of course, it's entirely possible that things won't happen as you expect them to
Is it just about the measures. What about the method of changing the material to then make the works. Measuring will only tell us about the end product and how precise or what looks like made it. It won't tell us exactly how it was achieved. Only that something more sophisticated was involved.what kind of "conscious experiences" are needed to make or measure stone vases?
Yes so therefore when it oversteps its boundaries its no onger science but attempting metaphysical belief. When its used to rationalise the supernatural belief or transcedent aspects of reality as being unreal its overstepping the mark.That is how science works. If it didn't work that way it would not be science.
Yes because you believe and 'believe' is the destinguishing word that all reality is within the causal closure of the physical. In otherwords there is only one fundemental reality which is the physical, or material or naturalistic. So long as all causes stem back to a quantifiable aspect that can be measures in quantifiable empiricle measures.You might. I don't.
Everything is about experiences. How do you know we are not in some Simulation. Or at least a big part or some part is just a MInd conception of whatever is the latest view of reality. Can we actually step outside our minds to scientifically verify that how we concieve reality is correct.How is this about "experiences"?
Ok your getting into semantics again. I mean the same as in all believe in some sort of transcedent existence or being or spirit of some sort. Its just different expressions of the same fundemental belief.They are not the same.
THis exactly proves my point that the scientific method oversteps and becomes a belief. You say this like its an ontological fact or truth. We investigated all religious beliefs and all the other paradigms of different knowledge and worldviews and we verified beyond doubt that there is nothing to all this.We looked. There isn't.
Ok my claims, my words, my beliefs like the majority of others. What are you saying here. Are you just repeating back that these are alternative beliefs and knowledge people can have. Or are you acknowledging that there are alternative ways of knowing reality besides your beliefs.Your claim.
Your words.
Another example of not even being aware that this is completely related. Is not this about alternative ways of knowing including advanced knowledge of the world, nature and reality. I mentioned conscious experiences as one aspect which includes phenomenal belief and other transcedent aspects.Nothing to do with the topic.
I won't even go into the vast amount of evidence for this. BUt merely say the fact you state that "they aren't and there isn't" is itself evidence that this is more a belief thatn fact or reality.They aren't.
There isn't.
Hum so what evidence is there for beauty, the experience of music, colors, the sense of awe in looking at the universe and knowledge of something greater emerges and persistently so that people build things to the heavens and gods. At what point can science determine this is just make believe and not real knowledge that there is actually some transcedent aspect of reality that really and truelly is part of being human and is a reality beyond humans.I've been immersed in reality for 50 years. That reality matches what "science tells us".
That I have to explain this means you will not be open.What big chunk of knowledge about reality?
Yes thats how western material science has always treated indigenous knowledge. As some vague superstition. Or in this case also atheism which basically aligns well with material science. Or rather metaphsyical naturalsim.What is this "indigenous knowledge"? You've offered nothing but the vague notion of it for a couple of weeks and many many posts. Those claims lack any specificity.
I believe you're wrong. It seems you're the only one who can "see it".I believe that Zechariah 5:1-11 is a prophecy being fulfilled in our day.
Proof is: We can see it, but the ancient people didn't.
So, your still holding on to the pragmatic "bi polar" version of the gospel, which tries to join the two mutually exclusive covenants together.That's a problem in Christianity, rampant ignorance of history and the teachings of the early church. The church was all there was-it's how people learned the faith, that same faith that came down to my semi-literate grandmother from the foothills of the Italian Alps over a century ago. And she had one of the most simple, beautiful, deep and productive faiths I've ever known.
And I never mentioned Gnosticism. In fact, that same church rejected gnostic writings while assembling the canon of the new testament which you possess today, The bible didn’t fall down from heaven in complete form- and the church knew and taught the gospel before a word of the new testament was even written.
Grace isn't just God's favor; it's His life in us. And if that doesn't mean "improvment" in us and our behavior, as if Jesus just came so we could remain in our sins, then Christianity would be a joke, a joke of satan's. Turn the question around. Can/should Christians expect to enter heaven if they were to persist in wanton, ergregious sin, aka lawlessness? A righteous person, with a righteousness made possible only by communion with God, doesn't even need to hear the law in order to obey His will, let alone be under the covenant of the law. Grace produces obedience, making you a slave to righteousness (Rom 6); it doesn't keep you in disobedience, disobedience being the basic, original sin of Adam that separated man from God to begin with! At least read the letters of John.
It should go without saying but it's OK to be obligated to be good, to love, to put it best. in the true Christian vernacular. The gospel, the new covenant, finally gives us the authentic way to achieve that- by virtue of reconciled union with God, the only Way. Here's some wisdom of the ages, properly understood:
"The law was given that grace might be sought; and grace was given that the law might be fulfilled." (Augustine, On the Spirit and the Letter)
Matthew 15:24 is the clincher. Jesus came to save the House of Israel.....Christians were never the northern kingdom. The northern kingdom went into Assyrian captivity, because they had gotten into idol worship.
Enough Jews will survive to fulfil Eze 37. Mostly those now living in other countries now, who have become Christians.Ezekiel 37:15-28 proves your theory of a solar flare wipeout of current Israel and a replacement nation of Christians called Beulah in error.
No, that's your interpretation of scripture. You read them through your denominational lens.No, that's Scripture. I didn't write those passages.
No, that's what we can do with God now, by the power of the indwelling Holy Spirit.
"With man this is impossible, but with God all things are possible." Matt 19:26.
"I can do all things through Him who strengthens me." Phil 4:13
No, you misinterpreted what I clearly stated. I never claimed that there were only two "camps of Christianity". I simply said there are two opposing interpretations of the gospel.No you’re completed wrong about that, there are more than just two “camps” of Christianity. You obviously don’t know much about church history. There were three major denominations before the reformation. The Roman Catholics, The Eastern Orthodox Church, and the Oriental Orthodox Church.
Who are you referring to, when you say "God has given "us" the ability to believe the gospel. I assume your version of "us" includes the likes of, Judas Iscariot, Joseph Stalin, Pol Pot, Adolf Hitler & Co. Your in good company there.I believe that we are saved by grace thru faith and that God has given us the ability to believe the gospel which is why Jesus told His apostles to preach it to all nations.
Seeking God is something new all the time.. it never ends as insight becomes purposeSo what keeps you from trying somewhere new,
Oh, yeah. Trump had a plan, didn't he? Remind us what that was. If you can't, then explain why the Democrats would trust someone who lies as a matter of course. Trump's polling will fall yet again because all the people who rely on the Affordable Care Act now know what he thinks of them. As does anyone else who is concerned about health in the US.Democrats again are making an outrageous demand. Let them give 35 billion dollars to the insurance companies from their own pockets instead of from the pockets of working taxpayers. They need to pass the continuing resolution and start working with President Trump and the GOP to lower health care costs.
It's important to remember that the word of God did not have chapters and verses to start with. Chapters were added in about 1227, and verses in the 1550s. They were added for convenience of finding our way around the bible. Verses do need to be taken in their context, and here, the context is the coming of the dawn.Half the population don't study the Bible, I wonder, how would they read this verse ?
You're still going on about these non existent verses. I'm starting to wonder what your purpose is in playing this silly game.No in reality your Bible actually says both, unless you have some sort of Bible version that has the pages ripped out that contain the passages that specifically state that we must abide in Christ and endure to the end in order to be saved. Why are you pretending that those passages are not in your bible? This is what I’ve been talking about, you’re completely ignoring those passages as if they have value at all. You’re not incorporating that information into your theology which is why your theology doesn’t align with all scripture.
But the earth is not likened to a seal, but to the clay (like our sealing wax) under a seal. The verses tells us that the earth takes its shape (in the context, its contours, mountains and valleys etc.) as clay does when a seal is used on it. As someone pointed out, the context is the coming of dawn. As the light of dawn comes, the contours of the earth can be seen; they take on form. The verse is not saying that the earth is a flat disc, or that it becomes a flat disc with the coming of dawn. Verses must be taken in context.The earth takes shape like clay under a seal; its features stand out like those of a garment. Job 38:14
It couldn't be more clearer.
Read Moses' speeches in Deuteronomy - that's the outline of what was considered Life or Death for the believer in TNK/OT times. You should not read the TNK/OT through the lens of the NT, it's the other way around. The average God-fearing Israelite didn't know about Yeshua as the Messiah yet - faith in Him had not been defined yet as the key criterion for Life in Deuteronomy (or the Torah in general).Faith in the promise (Ge 15:5-6, Seed, Jesus Christ, Gal 3:16) was reckoned by God as salvific.
I have never claimed that we cannot act against Gods will. Quoting a verse which confirms that Godswill will be done, on earth as it is in heaven, doesn't mean that God created people to be evil and wicked.Finally you admit that God doesn’t want them to rebel against Him. That’s all I’ve been trying to get you to acknowledge this whole time. Now that we’ve finally established that let’s go back to your post about God’s will.
So you’re saying that we cannot act against God’s will. So why does God grieve about the disobedience of man if He has willed their disobedience and they are incapable of acting against His will?
No. science itself as an enterprise is designed to only measure the material world that is quantified in physical and naturalistic processes. This has nothing to do with atheism. Christians can be scientists.Are you going to start dragging that "science is atheistic" crap in here again? It stinks.
No, Job says that the earth is like clay under a seal, not the seal itself. When we think of using a seal, we tend to think of something that makes an impression in wax, but it seems that back then they used clay. The verse does not tell us what shape the lump of clay was:Job doesn't describe the earth as round, he describes it as a seal which is round.
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