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Vambram · 2025-11-25T21:16:07-0600

CRAZY_CAT_WOMAN said:
Why should they go through a trial, when they didn't do anything wrong. And they are just being harassed because Trump doesn't like them. I think they should sue Trump and his workers for harassment, Terrorizing, false firing and lying on them , especially James Comey.

Comey lied to Congress.
James lied on her mortgage form. Both actions are crimes.

Vambram · 2025-11-25T21:15:14-0600

Say it aint so said:
Too bad for Gross and Davis they literally passed a law, signed by Bush in 2007 that makes their arguments irrelevant.

What law, specifically?

SarahsKnight · 2025-11-25T21:11:35-0600

Jipsah said:
That was then, but the Revelation gave us a dramatically different image of Jesus. No more love and forgiveness, just mass slaughter. Not a subject I'm willing to pursue, as I see no possible way for any good to come of it,

Well, that's definitely the picture of Jesus that the Left Behind writers and fans want us to have, yes.

The Liturgist · 2025-11-25T21:03:55-0600

Michie said:
You are very welcome.

Forgive me not replying earlier, I became very ill and forgot about.

Jipsah · 2025-11-25T20:58:22-0600

Dan1988 said:
The Word of God is a sweet smelling aroma to those of "us' who believe. But it is the stench of death to the unbelievers. The unbelievers can't obey any commandment, because they hate god and all of His commandments. God knows this and He doesn't expect them to obey, He knows it's impossible for them to obey.

So they're just proeprogrammed NPCs, wandering around committing sins for the devout to take a dim view of. Never real people at all.

The Liturgist · 2025-11-25T20:57:11-0600

Mockingbird0 said:
Patriarch Bartholomew can make a gesture by stating that he will remain in communion with jurisdictions that, like Finland, adopt the Gregorian paschalion.

In the alternative, the Easterners can adopt the half-way measure of adjusting their lunar tables to agree better with the visible moon. At present the Julian lunar tables are 4 to 5 days off. For example, in 2025 the Gregorian full moon was on April 13 while the Julian full moon was on April 17.

We’re unable to do that. The Greek Orthodox Patriarchate of Jerusalem, the Russian Orthodox Church (the largest Eastern Orthodox Church), the Serbian Orthodox Church, the Georgian Orthodox Church and the canonical Ukrainian Orthodox Church, as well as the Athonite monks, who use the Julian calendar are so frustrated with the EP as to be nearing the end of what patience will permit, and our Oriental Orthodox communion partners, the Coptic Orthodox and Ethiopian and Eritrean Orthodox, as well as the Syriac Orthodox Archdioces of Jerusalem and the Armenian Apostolic Patriarchate of Jerusalem (one of four autocephalous Armenian jurisdictions) are absolutely committed to the Julian calendar, as is much of the diaspora, for example, ROCOR, the OCA parishes in Alaska, many parishes including the cathedral of the American Carpatho-Rusyn Orthodox Diocese, and the Serbians.

What you’re proposing would do three things:

1. Create a schism within the Eastern Orthodox Church (where serious risk of one exists already), both between the Ecumenical Patriarchate and certain churches which are still in communion with both the EP and the MP but are increasingly upset with the EP’s actions, for example, Georgia, Serbia and Jerusalem (the EP already managed to alienate Antioch and the MP), and within the Ecumenical Patriarchate itself, because the Athonite Monks will never agree to the change you propose, being fully committed to the Julian Calendar.

Given that the largest Eastern Orthodox church by far is the Moscow Patriarchate, and in the US the largest jurisdictions are the OCA, (multi-ethnic, the largest portion of which is the DIocese of Sitka and Alaska, consisting of the Aleuts and Native Alaskans evangelized by the Russian Orthodox missionaries St. Herman of Alaska, St. Innocent of Alaska and others, who use the Julian Calendar, such as the great martyr St. Peter the Aleut, a 15 year old boy who received a crown of martyrdom after refusing to convert to Roman Catholicism after he and the rest of his fishing party were arrested in California in the 18th century), also many OCA parishes are on the Julian Calendar, entirely or partially; the OCA is not recognized as an autocephalous church by Constantinople because their Tomos of Autocephaly came from the MP in 1970), AOCNA (the Antiochian Orthodox Church of North America, already not in communion with Constantinople), GoArch (the Greek Orthodox Archdiocese, under Constantinople, also the only North American church with a declining membership, with a reputation for liberalism and ethnocentrism, except in the monasteries of Elder Ephraim, who would prefer to be on the Julian calendar if they had a choice in the matter), and ROCOR, an autonomous church under the MP, with many Ukrainian members (Metropolitan Hilarion Kapral, memory eternal, who reposed from cancer three years ago, was the primate of ROCOR and a Canadian of Ukrainian ethnicity), not in communion with the EP, but for the moment, despite their parent churches either not fully recognizing each other or not being in communion, these four churches along with the Serbians, Romanians, Bulgarians and the three parishes of the Georgian Orthodox Church are the members of SCOBA, the Society of Canonical Orthodox Bishops of America, cooperating, which a sudden unilateral change in calendar would rupture.

2. Interfere with ecumenical reconciliation, specifically with the Coptic Orthodox (the second largest autocephalous OO church), the Eritrean Tewahedo Orthodox, and Ethiopian Tewahedo Orthodox (the largest autocephalous OO church) are fully committed to the Julian calendar. Frankly, EO/OO reunification is much more important to us, and more likely to happen, than EO/RCC reunfiication, particularly since we already have limited intercommunion agreements between the Syriac Orthodox and Antiochian Orthodox and between the Greek Orthodox Church of Alexandria and the Coptic Orthodox Church, which contain in them the only provisions where a non-EO is allowed, by us, to receive communion in an Orthodox parish (while Catholics will give the Eucharist to the Orthodox, the reverse is not the case; I wish it were, but many Orthodox are strongly opposed to reunion with the Roman Catholics.

3. Greatly boost the membership of the schismatic Old Calendarists, which plague the Greek and Romanian churches (the Romanian church being the second largest autocephalous Eastern Orthodox church).

What Roman Catholics don’t understand is how important the Julian Calendar is to the Orthodox, and why its important, specifically, continuity in the worship in Jerusalem, where all EO and OO Christians use the Julian Calendar (after its publication in 1920, the Patriarchate of Jerusalem tried the Revised Julian Calendar, but the Holy Fire miracle did not happen, which was enough to cause the entire Patriarchate to change its mind. Many important events in the Holy Land are tied to the Julian Calendar.

Also the very important St. Catharine’s Monastery in Sinai uses the Julian Calendar.

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Frankly, it would be easier and more realistic for the RCC to return to using the Julian Calendar.

I would note that the Church of Finland is a special case because there, the Orthodox, who represent about 10% of the actively practicing Christians in Finland, were essentially persuaded into standardizing the date by the Finnish Government, which subsidizes both the Lutheran and the Orthodox church. Lately however some Finns have joined ROCOR parishes, frustrated by the antics of the Finnish hierarchy, which is the most liberal of any of the others mentioned.

Jipsah · 2025-11-25T20:54:30-0600

timothyu said:
He was talking to the captive rebellious elohim

I hadn't heard that idea offered before. Interesting.

Jipsah · 2025-11-25T20:53:47-0600

SarahsKnight said:
Thus it has become evident to me that that image is an extremely carnal one that desires neverending vengeance over any Godly sense of justice, but with those such as Hentenza and Dan1998, they mistakenly assume that endless vengeance is God's brand of justice against sin and iniquity, when Scripture simply has not indictated that.

Hey, it's about Good Guys and Bad Guys. We're the Good Guys (whoever "we" are). They're the Bad Guys (whoever "they" are). We want the Bad Guys tortured forever an our (Good) Guys rewarded for being such superior critters. You don't think so? Well just you wait and see, sinner-boy. We'll see who's laughing then, won't we? We deserve to win because you're probably OK and I know I am.

SarahsKnight said:
And it just seems odd to me when they claim in so many ways that Jesus Himself was all for eternal torment, when He is the same Man who taught us to "love your enemies, pray for those who persecute you", AND rebuked one of His disciples when he used a sword to strike off the ear of one of the folk who had come to arrest Him and eventually lead Him to a painful death at the cross!

That was then, but the Revelation gave us a dramatically different image of Jesus. No more love and forgiveness, just mass slaughter. Not a subject I'm willing to pursue, as I see no possible way for any good to come of it,

Oompa Loompa · 2025-11-25T20:51:17-0600

ThatRobGuy said:
It's a case of "show politics"

Mark Kelly made his statement "for show", the administration is going to go after him "for show"

I don't expect anything significant to come of it.

I agree. Yes, retired officers can be recalled to face a military court. However, this is usually only the case when a crime occurred while the individual was on active duty. I don't think any jury will convict. However, this may send a clear message that such rhetoric, which disrupts the good order and discipline of the military, will not be tolerated.

wing2000 · 2025-11-25T20:45:19-0600

essentialsaltes said:
FBI seeks to interview Sen. Mark Kelly, other Democrats Trump accused of seditious behavior

The FBI plans to interview Sen. Mark Kelly of Arizona and five other congressional Democrats in connection with their appearance in a video encouraging members of the U.S. military to refuse to follow illegal orders.

Slotkin said the FBI’s Counterterrorism Division “appeared to open an inquiry into me in response to a video President Trump did not like.”

“The President directing the FBI to target us is exactly why we made this video in the first place,” Slotkin said in a tweet. “He believes in weaponizing the federal government against his perceived enemies and does not believe laws apply to him or his Cabinet. He uses legal harassment as an intimidation tactic to scare people out of speaking up.”

On Monday, a group of Democratic senators, including Kelly and Slotkin, wrote Hegseth and Attorney General Pam Bondi to request that they declassify a Department of Justice Office of Legal Counsel’s written opinion from September on the domestic and international legal basis for the strikes [on boats alleged to have drugs and drug smugglers aboard].

....diverting Conterterrorism agents from rounding up illegal immigrants?

d taylor · 2025-11-25T20:42:51-0600

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The day and date i was born, a lot of people died.

durangodawood · 2025-11-25T20:39:17-0600

Basically Im here to get the AIs to change their minds and see things my way.

boughtwithaprice · 2025-11-25T20:37:10-0600

I wish the SDA would be more consistent in their words. When speaking with them, the only law that seems to apply is the sabbath, other commandments are not mentioned with as much force or explained away. If the Sabbath were so important to righteousness, we should see the whole of Christian virtue on display. Sadly, this is not the case.
In the SDA congregations I have attended, the sabbath is sacrosanct, but if other commandments are mentioned, it is said we are not forgiving or we are too judgmental. They say we can’t stop sinning and penance is not required. It’s very confusing to think that God judges based on the day of the week we show up, but if we do not obey the commandments, are we really worshipping?

Sexual misconduct is tolerated because it’s too strong of a temptation. Pride and gossip are tolerated because some egos are too fragile
I am sure that there are some SDA that make an effort, but it is not what is taught in the 13 years I have listened to them. It’s all show up on Saturday and don’t eat meat, but eat our fake meat instead
Even though scripture says by keeping the law shall no flesh be justified, and Jesus says it’s not what goes into a man that makes him unclean, rather what comes out of the heart. SDA teach the opposite of that, keep the law of sabbath to be justified and any pork goes in your mouth, you are seen as evil. Disobey marriage vows? No problem, as long as you are teaching the other women about the Bible
I know that is not true for the whole of SDA, but it’s rampant in our local congregation, and I blame over emphasis on sabbath, dietary laws, and denunciation of penance.
The Sabbath is easy to do. It’s just an appointment. We keep appointments all the time. We show up to work on time, catch buses and planes on time. What’s the big deal if we go to sabbath on time? That can be controlled
Is it that the other sins can’t be controlled so they must be tolerated, not preached with the same force as the Sabbath? Can you show me where Jesus even mentions the Sabbath in Matthew 5-7?

RileyG · 2025-11-25T20:32:05-0600

The Righterzpen said:
"Gender affirming care" (According to Medicare data) increases suicide stats by double compared to "cis gender" population.
Another stat I saw cited that almost 20% of 10 year post op transgender individuals commit suicide. (40% attempt) I think that may be the HIGHEST suicide rate in any population. (At last it's the highest stat I've ever seen.)

Suicide rates general populations:
(Veterans = 14%)
(Police = .021%)
(Incarcerated in state or federal prisons = 8%)

Disparities in Suicidality by Gender Identity Among Medicare Beneficiaries - PMC

Suicidality is higher for gender minorities than the general population, yet little is known about suicidality in disabled or older adult gender minorities. This study used 2009–2014 Medicare claims to identify people with gender identity–related ...

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

This is so sad.

Gender affirming care isn't care. It's mutilation. This is a mental health crisis that needs real answers.

RileyG · 2025-11-25T20:30:49-0600

Say it aint so said:
Now suppose the implementation of those gender affirming actions reduce suicide rates.
If it does, is there more empathic value in that or just get rid of them regardless?

There's been many cases of trans teens who committed suicide after receiving so-called gender affirming care or socially transitioning or had affirming parents. Something tells me it's not as helpful as some claim.

Bob Crowley · 2025-11-25T20:29:14-0600

Watching the birdbath
Blue Wrens and Honey Eaters
Dip, splash and are gone.

RileyG · 2025-11-25T20:27:44-0600

bbbbbbb said:
Households in the first century included not only the nuclear families with which we are familiar with in modern society but the extended family as well as slaves, bond-slaves, and hired servants. Do you believe that all of these individuals were routinely baptized even though some, being adults and of sound mind, had no particular interest in Jesus Christ?

It's possible. I wasn't there.

Anne69 · 2025-11-25T20:24:00-0600

Thank you for letting me know this. Corrie ten Boom’s story is a testimony and inspiration for many people. Her faith, courage, and forgiveness in the face of such suffering are a powerful reminder of God’s grace. Even without the movies, her testimony continues to speak deeply to my heart.

Daniel Martinovich · 2025-11-25T20:21:26-0600

LoveGodsWord said:
Seems to me like there is so many versions of bible Prophecy as their are Christian religions. So how are we to know who is right and who is wrong?

I am kind of amazed that there is zero curiosity about the fact that from the first year of the times of the gentiles, when Nebuchadnezzar conquered Judea until Rome destroyed Jerusalem in 70 AD is 666 years. I mean that is what that part of Revelation is about. The times or age of the four gentile empires. Why would it not be relevant then? Why every crazy interpretation that can possibly be imagined other than the one that is relevant to the subject matter? 597 BC - 70 AD by the way. There is no year zero making it 666 years.

bbbbbbb · 2025-11-25T20:20:07-0600

RileyG said:
I can write a very long response to this, but the bold part is beyond wrong, and an inaccurate view on the Catholic view of the Eucharist and the real presence. The sacrifice of Christ on the cross happened ONCE and ONCE only. The Mass is an reenactment of the Last Supper and Good Friday.

Also in Acts 16:15, whole households were baptized. Which most certainly included children and infants.

Regarding Mariology, "Behold your Mother" by Tim Staples is a wonderful book that uses scripture to defend the Marian doctrines.

Prayers for the dead are an ancient Christian and Jewish practice. They weren't even questioned until the Protestant Reformation. Ideas such as soul sleep aren't biblical and weren't even thought of in Christianity until relatively recently. I think the 1800s.

Regarding confession, it's 100% biblical. John 20:19-23, Matthew 18:18, James 5:13-16, Matthew 16:19, among others.

Households in the first century included not only the nuclear families with which we are familiar with in modern society but the extended family as well as slaves, bond-slaves, and hired servants. Do you believe that all of these individuals were routinely baptized even though some, being adults and of sound mind, had no particular interest in Jesus Christ?

MarkSB · 2025-11-25T20:18:58-0600

rambot said:
I'll be the first to say this is an old poll and I am more than welcome to see new contradictory evidence if it can be presented but....
https://www.cnn.com/2019/03/14/politics/independents-pew

I have never really met a self identified "Independent" who has had a truly centrist position (or; who argues "both sides" with equal vigor)

What do you all think of Independents? IF you are one, do you believe that you are an exception to that rule?

I definitely don't think that independents are unbiased, if that is what you are asking. They have their own life experiences which have contributed to their viewpoint, just like everyone else. And I think that comes with a tendency to lean one way or another on certain things.

I considered myself to be a conservative/Republican until Trumpism became a thing, and now consider myself to be an independent. I still have my leanings on certain issues, but I like to think that I look at the evidence and make a decision based on that as much as possible. But again, that's not to say that I don't have my personal leanings. Everyone does.

But... with all that being said - hasn't the Independent voting bloc swung in both directions during the last few presidential elections? I tried digging up some numbers, but was not able to easily find any. If they have voted in both directions, that would lend some credibility to the non-partisan claims.

Daniel Martinovich · 2025-11-25T20:10:29-0600

sovereigngrace said:
I do not typically hit outside links, because I cannot engage with them. I normally find posters do that when they cannot effectively outline in their own words what they believe.

What is your theological position?

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These are by no means all of the prophecies in the Old Testament that use the exact same illustrations the New Testament does to prophesy about Old or New Testament events of the coming or day of the Lord. There are so many of these events that use these illustrations in the Bible's prophecy that they could almost be looked at as idiomatic to the language of the Bible's prophets and the Holy Spirit that inspired them. Now we'll jump to the different prophecies about the coming of the Lord to nations, churches and empires that had not yet come to pass yet in the New Testaments prophecy. Already listed, Matthew 24 starts like this: 1 And Jesus went out, and departed from the temple: and his disciples came to him to show him the buildings of the temple. 2 And Jesus said to them, See not all these things? Truly I say to you, There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down. 3 And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of your coming, and of the end of the age? Those that asked that question using that phrase had this prophecy in mind. A prophecy about when the messiah would come, (as a baby in a manger.) And when he does. the city of Jerusalem would be destroyed by a Roman prince. Titus. Turns out the 70 weeks were an illustration of 490 years. Jesus was crucified in the middle of the last 7 years. His apostles confirmed the covenant to Israel for the remainder of the seven years. Then the political class drove most of the believers out of Judea. That was followed by the destruction of the city and sanctuary in that very generation. Daniel 9:24 Seventy weeks are determined upon your people and upon your holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy. 25 Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times. 26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolation's are determined. 27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate

Apparently people were already wrestling with the erroneous idea of a second advent of the the Lord. So John in his gospel saw fit to correct that idea in this passage. John was the only apostle to live to see the coming of the Lord at the end of the Old Covenant age. John 21: 21. Peter seeing him said to Jesus, Lord, and what shall this man do? 22. Jesus answers him, If I will that he remain till I come, what is that to you? Follow me. 23. Then this saying abroad went out among the brothers, that this disciple [John] should not die: [they were thinking rapture] yet Jesus did not say to him, He shall not die; but, If I will that he remain till I come, what is that to you?

The other prophesied episodes of the coming of the Lord were to six of the seven churches in Revelation 2-3. To judge, oversee calamity, fulfill promise and prophecy. Very doubtful that was one event but rather six different events. The last remaining one is the coming of the Lord in Revelation 19 in the final judgment of the Roman Empire at its end in 1453 AD. The promise and prophecy to now begin to be fulfilled by his coming then, is the beginning of the promised age of billions coming to Christ and a growing free world pioneered by Christians for his creation to live in. In that chapter the Lord is illustrated as coming with all his saints, the armies of heaven. What that illustrates is the work, the labors, the sufferings of all the saints that went before, especially in the writing and preserving of his written Word would now begin to bear its fruit in the world. Again, many of those prophecies about this promised age, the ones the Lord really wants us to pay attention to, are in the picture at the beginning of this article. Not a supernatural utopia but a free world that has to be won by winning souls, influencing populations and defeating mankind's oppressors. Exactly the way it has been happening now for 500 years. So; When the angels said this: Acts 1:11 .... You men of Galilee, why stand gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as you have seen him go into heaven. They were not talking about a second advent but simply articulating the doctrine of the coming of the Lord and that this man Jesus, who is, who was and is to come- is Jehovah the Word. The one who will come again, (many times) to judge the world, oversee calamity, fulfill promise and prophecy just like he has been doing since the book of Genesis. It is just that now he does this as the risen Messiah, the descendant of Abraham and David. the inheritor of the world.

Now to drive this home by putting it into a more modern context, because the Lord is still physically\ literally coming down to earth to do what he has always done. You might just never hear a prophecy of his coming today and if you do, if it is real, it will not be about a second advent, even if the people prophesying and hearing it think it is. Here is a great example of the way past generations of Christians looked at the subject. Generations that were were far more educated in God's Word than today's Bible illiterate, public school educated, pop culture Christians. This is the theme song of the America's Civil War about the coming of the Lord; to judge the oppressors and fulfill promise and prophecy of the end of legal slavery, that was to follow everywhere despotic human government is overthrown. Psalm 72: 4 He shall judge the poor of the people, he shall save the children of the needy, and shall break in pieces the oppressor.

Mine eyes have seen the glory of the coming of the Lord: He is trampling out the vintage where the grapes of wrath are stored; He hath loosed the fateful lightning of His terrible swift sword: His truth is marching on.
(Chorus) Glory, glory, hallelujah! Glory, glory, hallelujah! Glory, glory, hallelujah! His truth is marching on.
I have seen Him in the watch-fires of a hundred circling camps, They have builded Him an altar in the evening dews and damps; I can read His righteous sentence by the dim and flaring lamps: His day is marching on.
Glory, glory, hallelujah! Glory, glory, hallelujah! Glory, glory, hallelujah! His day is marching on.
I have read a fiery gospel writ in burnished rows of steel: "As ye deal with my contemners, so with you my grace shall deal; Let the Hero, born of woman, crush the serpent with his heel, Since God is marching on.
Glory, glory, hallelujah! Glory, glory, hallelujah! Glory, glory, hallelujah! Since God is marching on.
He has sounded forth the trumpet that shall never call retreat; He is sifting out the hearts of men before His judgment-seat: Oh, be swift, my soul, to answer Him! be jubilant, my feet! Our God is marching on.
Glory, glory, hallelujah! Glory, glory, hallelujah! Glory, glory, hallelujah! Our God is marching on.
In the beauty of the lilies Christ was born across the sea, With a glory in His bosom that transfigures you and me: As He died to make men holy, let us die to make men free, While God is marching on.
Glory, glory, hallelujah! Glory, glory, hallelujah! Glory, glory, hallelujah! While God is marching on.
He is coming like the glory of the morning on the wave, He is Wisdom to the mighty, He is Succour to the brave, So the world shall be His footstool, and the soul of Time His slave, Our God is marching on.
Glory, glory, hallelujah! Glory, glory, hallelujah! Glory, glory, hallelujah! Our God is marching on.

DragonFox91 · 2025-11-25T20:09:04-0600

I am really struggling right now. It is sad. I think it's supposed to be bad. Being saved is no fun.

Daniel Martinovich · 2025-11-25T20:08:52-0600

sovereigngrace said:
I do not typically hit outside links, because I cannot engage with them. I normally find posters do that when they cannot effectively outline in their own words what they believe.

What is your theological position?

Those are my words. but for you. I'll copy and paste them. Doubt thy will fit though.

The Bible has dozens of examples of the Lord physically and literally came down to earth on certain days to administer judgment, oversee calamity and fulfill promise and prophecy. These days of the Lord where he physically and literally comes down to the planet is where the Bible's doctrine of the coming of the Lord comes hails from. What does not exist in the Bible is the phrase "the second coming." Unlike the phrase "the Trinity" that is also not in the Bible but that at least goes along with what the Bibles teaches. The idea of a "second" coming or advent changes the Bibles teaching on the matter and renders the Bible's prophecy incomprehensible. Which by the way is design of the phrase. To turn peoples eyes away from the supernatural clarity of the Bible's prophecy and turn those eyes to something the Bible does not prophesy at all. Apocalyptic end of the world scenarios. Here are just a few of the examples.

Genesis 11:4 And they said, Go to, let us build us a city and a tower, whose top may reach unto heaven; and let us make us a name, lest we be scattered abroad upon the face of the whole earth. 5 And the LORD came down to see the city and the tower, which the children of men were building. 6 And the LORD said, Behold, the people are one, and they have all one language; and this they begin to do: and now nothing will be restrained from them, which they have imagined to do. 7 Go to, let us go down, and there confound their language, that they may not understand one another's speech. 8 So the LORD scattered them abroad from thence upon the face of all the earth: and they left off to build the city. 9 Therefore is the name of it called Babel; because the LORD did there confound the language of all the earth: and from thence did the LORD scatter them abroad upon the face of all the earth. In that scenario of the coming the Lord he judged the wicked's plans of immediately bringing the new worlds entire population under subjection to a despotic, idolatrous empire. So you can see the judgment and the promised salvation.

Genesis 18:1. And Jehovah appeared to him [Abraham] in the plains of Mamre: and he sat in the tent door in the heat of the day;..... 17. And Jehovah said, Shall I hide from Abraham that thing which I do;...... 20. And Jehovah said, Because the cry of Sodom and Gomorrah is great, and because their sin is very grievous; 21. I will go down now, and see whether they have done altogether according to the cry of it, which is come to me; and if not, I will know. Well known story. Judgment or natural calamity falls upon Sodom and Gomorrah and Lord offered to save all of lots extended family and friends but only Lot and his two daughters took up the offer.

Exodus 3: 7 And the Jehovah said, I have surely seen the affliction of my people which are in Egypt, and have heard their cry by reason of their taskmasters; for I know their sorrows; 8 And I am come down to deliver them out of the hand of the Egyptians. Same thing here. The coming of the Lord to judge the world and fulfill promise and prophecy about his people and plan in the earth. You can pretty much see the doctrine of the coming of the Lord established in just the first two books of the Bible. Although there are more instances in these two books. We'll skip over to the prophets where you will same the illustrative language used in the New Testament prophecy used in the Old Testament about things the Bible and history have recorded as fulfilled.

This is Isaiah's prophecy of the destruction of Babylon at the hands of the Mead's. Isaiah 13:1 1 The burden of Babylon, which Isaiah the son of Amoz did see.......6 Howl you; for the day of the LORD is at hand; it shall come as a destruction from the Almighty. ...... 9 Behold, the day of the LORD comes, cruel both with wrath and fierce anger, to lay the land desolate: and he shall destroy the sinners thereof out of it. 10 For the stars of heaven and the constellations thereof shall not give their light: the sun shall be darkened in his going forth, and the moon shall not cause her light to shine. 11 And I will punish the world for their evil, and the wicked for their iniquity; and I will cause the arrogance of the proud to cease, and will lay low the haughtiness of the terrible. 12 I will make a man more precious than fine gold; even a man than the golden wedge of Ophir. 13 Therefore I will shake the heavens, and the earth shall remove out of her place, in the wrath of the LORD of hosts, and in the day of his fierce anger. 14 And it shall be as the chased roe, and as a sheep that no man takes up: they shall every man turn to his own people, and flee every one into his own land. 15 Every one that is found shall be thrust through; and every one that is joined to them shall fall by the sword. 16 Their children also shall be dashed to pieces before their eyes; their houses shall be spoiled, and their wives ravished. 17 Behold, I will stir up the Medes against them, which shall not regard silver; and as for gold, they shall not delight in it. 18 Their bows also shall dash the young men to pieces; and they shall have no pity on the fruit of the womb; their eyes shall not spare children. 19 And Babylon, the glory of kingdoms, the beauty of the Chaldees' excellency, shall be as when God overthrew Sodom and Gomorrah.

This prophecy below is part of a series of prophecies from Isaiah about the nations Nebuchadnezzar of Babylon will conquer. Isaiah 19:1 The burden of Egypt. Behold, the LORD rides upon a swift cloud, and shall come into Egypt: and the idols of Egypt shall be moved at his presence, and the heart of Egypt shall melt in the midst of it.....4 And the Egyptians will I give over into the hand of a cruel lord; and a fierce king shall rule over them, says the Lord, the LORD of hosts

Notice how these two prophecies use the exact same illustrative language in the New testament to prophesy the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 AD? Matthew 24:29. Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: Mark 13:24. But in those days, after that tribulation, the sun shall be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, 25. And the stars of heaven shall fall, and the powers that are in heaven shall be shaken. 26. And then shall they see the Son of man coming in the clouds with great power and glory. Luke 21:25. And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring; 26. Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken. 27. And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory. Revelations account of the same event- Revelation 6:12 And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, look, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood; 13 And the stars of heaven fell to the earth, even as a fig tree casts her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind. 14 And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places. 15 And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains; 16 And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sits on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb: 17 For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?

This is a prophecy of the coming of the Lord in the destruction of the ten tribes of Israel at the hands of Assyria. Micah 1:2 Hear, all you people; listen, O earth, and all that therein is: and let the Lord GOD be witness against you, the LORD from his holy temple. 3 For, behold, the LORD comes forth out of his place, and will come down, and tread on the high places of the earth. 4 And the mountains shall be molten under him, and the valleys shall be cleft, as wax before the fire,.....6 Therefore I will make Samaria as an heap of the field, and as plantings of a vineyard... Now look at Peters use of the exact same illustrations. He quotes a number prophecies from the past of the coming of the Lord before he gets to exhorting the flock about the future using the exact same illustrative language of the coming of the Lord to past nations and empires. Here though, he is prophesying about the end of despotism their world lived under. You can see the chapters of prophecy in the picture at the beginning of this article to see exactly what world or age Peter is referring to. It is not a supernatural utopia with Jesus ruling a physical kingdom on earth but a world, unlike theirs, where righteousness dwells. 2 Peter 3: 10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up. 11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness, 12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat? 13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwells righteousness.

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Two movies have been made about the life of Corrie ten Boom:

The Hiding Place (1975) (this one is available on Amazon Prime in many countries)
The Hiding Place (2023)

Her faith and forgiveness are inspiring ..

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