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Vambram · 2025-07-18T16:43:59-0500

Fantine said:
A thoughtful post. Sending 4,000 armed soldiers, unwanted and uninvited to Los Angeles where they storm through parks where children play; approved building facilities in alligator infested swamps that would not pass muster as animal shelters in the ASPCA; snatching teens out of high school; sending masked men who do not identify themselves to apprehend people; deporting refugees from terror who have been granted protection from us because a hard-hearted leader changes his mind will never be accepted by all. Our religious leaders all over the country are calling this out for what it is and for those of us for whom Jesus is our North Star, we will never approve.

The hyperbole of what you are suggesting of actually happening really did not happen. However, the majority of the American voters in 31 states voted in President Donald Trump with one of the top priorities being the deportation of immigrants who are NOT legal here in the USA.

Hentenza · 2025-07-18T16:42:28-0500

SabbathBlessings said:
I do not think we are going to agree on doctrine and thats okay. I wish you well.

Of course we are not. I’ll see you around the forums.

Fervent · 2025-07-18T16:42:12-0500

The issue with Penal Substititution is it flattens atonement to a legal fiction, and presents God as a volcano God demanding a human sacrifice to placate His anger.

The Bible certainly uses a legal motif, but it is in a context where the law was treated in a less abstract manner.

Fervent · 2025-07-18T16:39:23-0500

Hazelelponi said:
You present nothing from Scripture, you accuse me of lies and speak of God badly.

I will not participate in any farther. I will not speak any further with people who don't revere God in their speaking.

I'm not speaking poorly of God, I'm speaking poorly of Calvin's abomination. And I'm not presenting Scriptural referents because I'm not interested in a battle of proof texts, and I doubt you'd engage with understanding your proof texts within their proper context so there's not much sense breaking down the abuses you rely on.

Hentenza · 2025-07-18T16:39:11-0500

Hank77 said:
Do actions such as this count?

On April 15, 2021, Ocasio-Cortez and three members of Congress called a press conference to announce a bill that they had introduced to implement postal banking pilot programs in rural and low-income urban neighborhoods where millions of households cannot access or afford standard banking services. Ocasio-Cortez described the families she sees in her urban community who need to rely on check cashing companies that charge exorbitant interest rates due to the absence of mainstream banks.

Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Ocasio-Cortez reacted to the 2021 Texas power crisis by organizing a fundraiser to provide food, water, and shelter to affected Texans. The fundraiser, which began on February 18, raised $2 million in its first day[234][235] and $5 million by February 21.[236] The money was given to organizations such as the Houston Food Bank and the North Texas Food Bank.[236] Ocasio-Cortez also traveled to Houston to help volunteers with recovery.[237]

The article I posted in my post 20 does not reflect her involvement in her community so I find her comments here suspect. Plus a wiki can’t hardly be a reliable source.

SouthWestConvert · 2025-07-18T16:32:35-0500

I recently had a conversation with someone explaining the Provisionist mode of salvation. They said that 'God chooses those that choose Him'. I was brought up more Calvinistically, but I have thought about it since, and I have two questions;

1) Was the Apostle Paul chosen or did he choose to be saved?

2) Was he forced or was he drawn to believe?

I thought of Acts 9:15 'But the Lord said unto him, Go thy way: for he is a chosen vessel unto me, to bear my name before the Gentiles, and kings, and the children of Israel:'

The way I see it, by this method, God 'chooses' as a result of man's choice. For this to fit Paul's testimony, Paul would need to have accepted by his own choice before he was chosen, but I do not see this Biblically. If you are a Provisionist, how would you answer these two questions? Please explain this to me.

Thank you.

Hentenza · 2025-07-18T16:30:11-0500

Pommer said:
Oh lookie, the homicide rate of Louisiana (home to the Speaker-of-the-House) is 4 times the level of New York…what is Mike johnson doing to mitigate that dismal statistic?

Oh lookie an aha moment lol. Find me ANY district that has had a 70% increase in crime. Eagerly waiting your answer.

Hazelelponi · 2025-07-18T16:29:14-0500

Fervent said:
You present God as the designer of every atrocity,

You present nothing from Scripture, you accuse me of lies and speak of God badly.

I will not participate in any farther. I will not speak any further with people who don't revere God in their speaking.

Yarddog · 2025-07-18T16:27:02-0500

d taylor said:
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But if the cross does not point people to believe in Jesus for Eternal Life. A person is still sperated from God, because the cross in and of itself, has no power to give people God's free gift of Eternal Life.

The cross is the key which opens the gate into heaven.

Ignatius the Kiwi · 2025-07-18T16:25:55-0500

timothyu said:
They indeed governed themselves individually in the beginning before a new religious government of hierarchy was formed. And yes Christians in the beginning had community,. It was called the Way and did not rebel against, but did not live in the ways of the Sanhedrin or of Rome, but just under their jurisdictions WHILE DOING THERE OWN THING. . it was a movement, not a religion or kingdom of man.

Yes Christians did govern themselves and we didn't rebel in order to take over the Empire. By the growth of Christianity and it's appeal to men it convinced even Emperors and Kings to become Christian. Do you oppose elites and powerful people becoming Christian? Do you oppose the influence early Christians had on those in power as the Church grew and convinced non-Christians of it's message? What were the Christians supposed to do when they found themselves inheriting structures of power like the state? Destroy it?

Yarddog · 2025-07-18T16:24:45-0500

Skipper80 said:
We know God's will for our life in the broad sense, of course:

1 Timothy 2:3–4 (ESV)
“This is good, and it is pleasing in the sight of God our Savior, who desires all people to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth.”

2 Peter 3:9 (NIV)
“The Lord is not slow in keeping his promise... He is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance.”

1 Thessalonians 4:3 (NIV)
“It is God’s will that you should be sanctified: that you should avoid sexual immorality.”

Romans 12:1–2 (ESV)
“...present your bodies as a living sacrifice, holy and acceptable to God... Do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewal of your mind, that by testing you may discern what is the will of God, what is good and acceptable and perfect.”

1 Thessalonians 5:16–18 (NIV)
“Rejoice always, pray continually, give thanks in all circumstances; for this is God’s will for you in Christ Jesus.”

1 Peter 2:15 (ESV)
“For this is the will of God, that by doing good you should put to silence the ignorance of foolish people.”

Ephesians 2:10 (NIV)
“For we are God’s handiwork, created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance for us to do.”

Micah 6:8 (NIV)
“He has shown you, O mortal, what is good. And what does the Lord require of you? To act justly and to love mercy and to walk humbly with your God.”

John 13:34–35 (NIV)
“A new command I give you: Love one another. As I have loved you, so you must love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples...”

Matthew 22:37–39 (ESV)
“‘You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’ This is the great and first commandment. And a second is like it: You shall love your neighbor as yourself.”

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BUT, WHAT ABOUT SPECIFIC EVENTS IN YOUR LIFE?

Specific daily events that are trivial compared to the concepts and commands in these Bible verses.

For example, if my car broke down as I was going to the coffee shop to get coffee, am I right in saying it was God's will for the car to break down?

What are your thoughts, guys?

Sometimes but it is easier when you look back at a series of events. You can see how God was guiding you to a specific point.

Ignatius the Kiwi · 2025-07-18T16:23:34-0500

timothyu said:
It wouldn't change anything, just force it underground. Change/repentance comes from a new way of thinking.

Did Jesus cleansing the Temple of the money changers change anything in the long term? Would you say our Lord was mistaken in the way he approached that issue? He was very aggressive.

Hentenza · 2025-07-18T16:16:49-0500

BCP1928 said:
And apparently you don't know what she has done about it, either, and don't particularly care to find out. But I do notice that the cops have busted the 18th St. gang, which was driving much of the crime in her district, so maybe you'll just have to find something else to rag on her about.
.

I’m going to continue to “rag” on her. Glad the cops finally did something or wait it was not the cops but the feds. Do you think she called them? Maybe she is getting smarter.

guevaraj · 2025-07-18T16:16:35-0500

XrxrX said:
the proper translation is "If Joshua had given them rest..", and so stands that it's Jesus who gives the final Rest.

Brother, that's a different use of the word rest than the one used in the following message. The rest used in this message was established before sin took hold of this world, on "the seventh day" of creation.

God’s promise of entering his rest still stands, so we ought to tremble with fear that some of you might fail to experience it. For this good news—that God has prepared this rest—has been announced to us just as it was to them. But it did them no good because they didn’t share the faith of those who listened to God. For only we who believe can enter his rest. As for the others, God said, “In my anger I took an oath: ‘They will never enter my place of rest,’” even though this rest has been ready since he made the world. We know it is ready because of the place in the Scriptures where it mentions the seventh day: “On the seventh day God rested from all his work.” But in the other passage God said, “They will never enter my place of rest.” So God’s rest is there for people to enter, but those who first heard this good news failed to enter because they disobeyed God. So God set another time for entering his rest, and that time is today. GOD ANNOUNCED THIS THROUGH DAVID MUCH LATER in the words already quoted: “Today when you hear his voice, don’t harden your hearts.” Now IF JOSHUA HAD SUCCEEDED IN GIVING THEM THIS REST, GOD WOULD NOT HAVE SPOKEN ABOUT ANOTHER DAY of rest still to come. So there is a special rest still waiting for the people of God. For all who have entered into God’s rest have rested from their labors, just as God did after creating the world. So let us do our best to enter that rest. But if we disobey God, as the people of Israel did, we will fall. (Hebrews 4:1-11 NLT)

Crucial to correcting the misunderstood Sabbath, present since Joshua, the message of this passage is that during the 40 years that Joshua observed the seventh day of the week with manna, they were prevented, as punishment by "oath", from entering the Sabbath while keeping the seventh day of the week near Jerusalem. The reason is found in the Manna story, where we are shown that, near Jerusalem, observing the seventh day of the week from morning to morning is half a day too late to enter the Sabbath. In Jerusalem, the Sabbath falls before the seventh day of the week, from evening to evening. The manna story clearly indicates that the days of the week run from morning to morning, not from evening to evening, as God gave the Sabbath to keep in Jerusalem without manna since Joshua, because the Sabbath is fixed in the creation time zone and does not revolve around the earth with the week.

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Apple Sky · 2025-07-18T16:13:26-0500

An Atheist now a believer.

Working Model of the Firmament

Pretty interesting. I am sure the ballers will chew it to shreds but it’s here.

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timothyu · 2025-07-18T16:12:58-0500

Ignatius the Kiwi said:
If we aggressively banned pornography would that be wrong?

It wouldn't change anything, just force it underground. Change/repentance comes from a new way of thinking.

Clare73 · 2025-07-18T16:11:08-0500

Gregory Thompson said:
Surprised he didn't throw it into the ocean in boston protesting wokeness.

That process is not without adding more to the dangerous level of the federal debt inherited from the last administration. . .which risks putting us on the same path as those who need our aid.

We won't get out of the hole by giving away more money, but by using it to get out of that hole to first save ourselves so we can then save others.

timothyu · 2025-07-18T16:10:46-0500

Ignatius the Kiwi said:
Does he mean that political sovereignty rests solely in the hands of non-Christians and that Christians should not govern themselves according to their own principles? Does he mean that Christians shouldn't have community?

They indeed governed themselves individually in the beginning before a new religious government of hierarchy was formed. And yes Christians in the beginning had community,. It was called the Way and did not rebel against, but did not live in the ways of the Sanhedrin or of Rome, but just under their jurisdictions WHILE DOING THERE OWN THING. . it was a movement, not a religion or kingdom of man.

CoreyD · 2025-07-18T16:08:33-0500

honey badger said:
Angels have been a part of my life since memory ,,, i can hear and see them in everything ...

I believe you.
Many people have had angels in their life before the exited they womb of their mother.
I know of cases where people tried to get rid of these angels when they realized the danger they were in.
With God's help, many have succeeded.

DragonFox91 · 2025-07-18T16:08:04-0500

It's fun to speculate, but I would think this is Gnostic-type teaching, that says physical is bad & he somehow wasn't physical, or denies his humanity

Hentenza · 2025-07-18T16:06:55-0500

BCP1928 said:
Since January 20th, when USAID was shut down at least. Their contractors could have distributed it, but it is lost on no one that their biggest single contractor for that sort of thing was the Roman Catholic church.

Got it but still does not tell us what the shelf life of that food was and how long it has been collecting dust in the warehouse.

Apple Sky · 2025-07-18T16:06:31-0500

Strong in Him said:
I hope you're not expecting non Christians to be impressed by this, because it really isn't a good Christian witness.

I'm not out to impress anyone, I just tell it as it is.

The vape video did it for me.

Witsit Vapes It - The Final Experiment Fakery Exposed!

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Clare73 · 2025-07-18T16:06:25-0500

BCP1928 said:
Well, this is a Christian forum so it's useful to know what the Christian position on the matter is. Thanks.

Church and State are separate, and the political realm is not governed by any religion.

Christians are free to personally donate to the needy.

BCP1928 · 2025-07-18T16:05:37-0500

Hentenza said:
“Members serve as advocates for the views and needs of their constituents as well as stewards of national interests. Representational work may involve legislative activity, such as analyzing the provisions of proposed legislation for their potential impact on the area represented, or constituent service activity, such as assisting individuals, local governments, and organizations in obtaining federal grants and benefits. In addition, Members might represent regional and national interests in matters which might come before Congress.”

https://www.congress.gov/crs-product/RL33686

She is not serving as advocate for the needs of her constituents. Even if her main work is federal her constituents are not. For example she could contact the district managers and police authorities to demand action but there is no evidence that she has or intends to.

Fair enough. I don’t live there so I did not know also.

And apparently you don't know what she has done about it, either, and don't particularly care to find out. But I do notice that the cops have busted the 18th St. gang, which was driving much of the crime in her district, so maybe you'll just have to find something else to rag on her about.

Always in His Presence · 2025-07-18T16:05:04-0500

Fantine said:
This is a more recent decision from California. And I had not heard that the Supreme Court had issued any decisions that would leave them with blood on their hands yet.

Blood on their hands!

WHO is killing whom?

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