Ana the Ist said:

Terrorism is strictly tied to Islam though.

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Not entirely true, and possibly an oversimplification.

Dillon2009 said:

So, I have been 'saved' three times, but I realized that I didn't mean it any of those times.

The first time I was 'saved,' I was little, so of course, I didn't mean it.
The second time, I didn't mean it either.
The third time, I just said it because I was scared of going to hell. If I tell my parents or any of my family members, they'll get upset with me. I know they will.

(By the way, sorry if this is a bit confusing. I have OCD, so...)

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Obsessing about salvation is quite common with OCD. Do you have any help for dealing with your OCD?

You may find these resources helpful:
https://www.youtube.com/@marktdejesus
Blog - Scrupulosity.com
Mental Health - ACCFS
Breaking Free of OCD: My Battle With Mental Pain and How God Rescued Me by Jeff Wells
Strivings Within - The OCD Christian: Overcoming Doubt in the Storm of Anxiety by Mitzi VanCleve
Christianity and Anxiety Disorders (private Facebook support group)

Tuur said:

Yet you have no problem using stereotyping in the post above, all because I pointed out that education does not prevent racism, thus the argument that racism is a function of ignorance is flawed. If that observation is offensive, call me a heretic;.

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I suggest you try to comprehend my post instead of reading your bias into it.
Stereotyping is a human trait like looking for patterns in things that are not there and has very little to do with the education of the person.
Racism is a form of stereotyping as is sexism and anti-intellectualism, the point that you don't seem to be able to grasp is when there is an agenda to discredit a collection of individuals, stereotyping is a form a willful ignorance based on ad hominems where the facts are irrelevant.

be(t)et lamed resh said:

I made no such suggestion.
Just wanted to help temper the conversation.
Love isnt a general term in Hebrew.

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Love to me is true, holy and Godly. It's what God says is love. God is love.

JosephZ said:

The majority of the senior Taliban leadership fled Afghanistan. The rank-and-file fighters remained in the country and went underground until the resurgence.

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Source?

JosephZ said:

The conflict between Israel and the Palestinians isn't about religion.

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I didn't say it was.

Terrorism is strictly tied to Islam though.

JosephZ said:

It's about land rights and decades of injustices that have been committed against the Palestinian people.

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I disagree. If you have some sort of Palestinian claim to the land you believe is being unjustly ignored....feel free to point it out.

Gazans launched tens of thousands of rockets over the last 10 years into Israel. They're reaping what they've sowed.

JosephZ said:

If radical Islam was the root cause of the conflict, how do you explain Arab Christians being at the forefront of the Palestinian nationalist movement?

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No idea who you're referring to.

Whomever they are, they have zero power and influence in Gaza.

Hamas was elected and immediately murdered all their political rivals in Gaza. It made no difference if they were Muslim or not.

Hamas won't be sitting quietly and allowing some other group to be elected. They won't be giving up their cushy seats in Qatar or the billions in aid they receive from idiots internationally. Whomever you imagine are the "forefront" of whatever....I promise you, they aren't even the background characters in Gazan politics.

JosephZ said:

How do you explain secular terrorist groups like the Democratic Front for the Liberation of Palestine,

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A Syrian based organization that's not known for anything since the 1970s.

Talking about today, @JosephZ .

JosephZ said:

the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine,

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The mainly defunct group from the 60s and 70s that the above group split from.

JosephZ said:

and the Al-Aqsa Martyrs' Brigades,

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The military wing of the above group that's participated in maybe a dozen of the hundreds if not thousands of attacks committed by radical Islamic Hamas fighters in the Gaza Strip over the last 20 years or so.

JosephZ said:

two of which were founded by Christians, and all at some point being led by Christians?

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No offense, but this is a sad argument.

You found a couple of non-Muslims in the area who account for maybe <1% of all the deaths and attacks rained upon innocent Israelis in the last 50 years.

JosephZ said:

Israel respecting a Palestinian state and improving the lives of the Palestinian people should have been done long before the October 7th terrorist attack against Israel and is long overdue.

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Why? What's to respect?

They've done nothing but try to destroy Israel.

JosephZ said:

Once again, Hamas is a symptom, and the root cause of the conflict revolves around land rights and decades of injustices that have been committed against the Palestinian people.

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In what sort of fantasy scenario do you imagine "Israel starts respecting Palestinians" and Hamas disappears?

Let's imagine a ceasefire occurs. The Israelis pull back all their forces. Palestine rebuilds with a ton of aid and support from Israel...and 3 years from now, they perform another attack and kidnapping of innocent Israelis killing hundreds?

At what point is enough....enough?

JosephZ said:

ISIS still has a presence in Iraq and Syria

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Not like it did. They're severely diminished.

RileyG said:

A Christian opposed to the LGBT agenda and is pro-life is bigoted?

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They can be. Nobody is immune to ignorance. The person from the article I quoted is certainly embracing their bigotry (homophobia, anti-trans and racist) and trying to paint it as a good thing.

RileyG said:

Good grief.

Remember what site you are on.

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I don’t think that person is really representative of most Christians. This article is pulled from a right wing website though. This does represent at least part of the right’s position on these things.

JosephZ said:

It's the Israeli government that controls access to the Temple Mount and prevents non-Muslims from praying there. Its for both security and religious reasons.

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Actually I said Jews were not allowed to pray at the Temple Mount.

Jewish visitors are allowed to visit the Temple Mount during certain times, but are not permitted to pray there, in order to avoid provoking interreligious conflict.

What to Know About Jerusalem’s Temple Mount and the Status Quo Agreement

The Temple Mount, known in Hebrew as “Har HaBayit,” located in the Old City of Jerusalem, is considered one of the holiest sites in Judaism and Islam, and is central to the Christian Gospels. It is also known as Haram al-Sharif in Islam, which means "The Noble Sanctuary." For decades it has been...

www.ajc.org

JosephZ said:

Islam teaches that Muhammad, is currently in al Barzakh waiting on the day of ressurection.

“Verily, you [Muhammad] will certainly die, and they will die too.” (Az-Zumar:30)

“Barzakh is the grave. Its duration commences from the time of death until the Day of Judgement.” (al-Kāfi)

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Ok so whatabout Chrtist. Is Christ also in the grave awaiting the dat of judgement or does Islam teach that Christ sits with the Father and is the Judge of all those waiting in the graves including Muhummad.

JosephZ said:

Unlike Muhammad, Islam teaches that God raised Jesus up to heaven, body and soul, and until now he is still alive in the presence of God,

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In the presence of God like Elijah but not seated at the right hand of God as God Himself. They relegate Christ as another prophet and not as God Himself.

I am not sure what you mean by "unlike Muhammad. Isn't the Koran and Islam inspired by Muhammad.

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and he will return again on judgment day, where he will defeat the anti-Christ, die, and be raised up.

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Yes raised up like everyone else including the great Phophets. But Christ has already been raised up when he was raised from the dead and will not only defeat the antichrist but will be the Judge of all.

This is the deception that Islam have conjured. They give Christ some special status as an ordinary man but not as God and switch the status from God to Holy man as a Prophet like the other Prophests. But then thats really not different to atheists admitting there was a great prophet and religious teacher in a man called Christ while denting is Godly status.

JosephZ said:

And for claiming that they killed the Messiah, Jesus, son of Mary, the messenger of God. In fact, they never killed him, they never crucified him - they were made to think that they did. All factions who are disputing in this matter are full of doubt concerning this issue. They possess no knowledge; they only conjecture. For certain, they never killed him. (Qur’an 4:157)

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Of course they are going to say this. The aim is to denounce Jesus status as the Sone of God who was raised from the dead, to defeat death and sin. This is the core of CHristian belief and central to Gods promise and prophesy to send a saviour, Messiah from the line of Kind David who would be slaughtered like a lamb in sacrifice but would then rise again 3 days later.

By denying this status they have to alse create a narrative that Christ was not killed. Otherwise if He was killed he could not be taken up to Heaven as the Koran says. If He was killed and then rose again this would confirm His status as Christians have witnessed at that time.

In other words they are not only denying CHrists status they also have to deny the New Testament and Gospels as liars and frauds. That is why many islamist as passionately against acknowledging Christs status as its a direct threat to their own teachings.

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When Jesus descends, his spirit and his breath will cause every unbeliever it finds to die. His breath will reach the distance of his sight, so his breath will reach the Dajjāl [the anti-Christ] at the distance of a span from the gate of Lydda. (Kitab al-fitan)

Jesus son of Mary will catch the Dajjāl after he flees from him, so when his descend reaches him, he will catch him at the eastern gate of Lydda and kill him. (Abū Umāma al-Bāhilī)

"Peace is upon me the day I was born, and the day I die, and the Day I get resurrected alive.” That is Jesus son of Mary; the Word of truth about which they doubt. (Qur'an 19:33-34)

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Yes they acknowledge Christ but they deny the most central and powerful point about Christ. That is the problem. No amount of attributing greatness to Christ as an ordinary man (son of Mary) will substitute for denting CHrist status as (Son of God). Thats why they keep repeating the phrase "son of Mary" to create the narrative he was just son of humans and not the Son of God.

JosephZ said:

And while denying the the deity of Jesus and him being the son of God, he is described in many other ways that Muhammad is not.

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Thats good because Muhammad was not an ideal person to be compared to even for a holy man. But like I said the whole point was to deny Christs status. They had no choice but to acknowledge Christ as a great man because of the influence He had on people around the world at that time and the stories of His life were still strong in the narratives told.

So they substituted this by making out Christ was great but not so great that they deny the most important part of His Status because that conflicted with their own narrative that there is only one God Allah and he has no son.

The many platitudes they give Christ don't make up for the denial of the central importance of Christ being the Son of God who died and rose again for our sins. That Christ is the Word and that all things, all Creation, everything was made through Him and nothing would exist if not through Christ.

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The Messiah, Jesus, the son of Mary, is the Messenger of God, and His Word that He conveyed to Mary, and a Spirit from Him. (Qur'an 4:171)

We gave Jesus, son of Mary, profound miracles and supported him with the Holy Spirit. Had God willed, their followers would not have fought with each other, after the clear proofs had come to them. Instead, they disputed among themselves; some of them believed, and some disbelieved. (Qur’an 2:253)

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And who is the Holy Spirit but Christs spirit, Gods spirit who came to us after Christs ressurrection and accention into Heaven. We can only have the Holy Spirit if Christ was crucified and rose again from the grave

John 14:15-18. “'These things I have spoken to you while being present with you. But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all things that I said to you. '”

And what was the Holy Spirit but the bearer and witness of Christs truth as being the way, truth and life and that no one comes to the Father except through Christ. That you must believe and accept Christ as Lord and saviour to be Born again of the spirit. Islam also denies the Trinity of God in that God, Christ and the Holy Spirit are one and the same God.

Islam is more or less are plagiarizing the Bible, Christs own words and then changing it to suit the creation of their own religion.

Acts 2:33
Being therefore exalted at the right hand of God, and having received from the Father the promise of the Holy Spirit, he has poured out this that you yourselves are seeing and hearing.

Ironically Islam and the Koran also teaches that what the Bible says is true and that Christian should abide by what God has sent to them.

“Let the people of the Gospel judge by what God has sent down in it” (Qur'an 5:47).
and Verse 6:115 The word of your Lord is perfect, no one can change His words and He is the hearing and Knowing.
Verse (5:47) and the followers of the Injeel (Gospels) should have judged by what Allah revealed in it; and whoever did not judge by what Allah revealed, those are they that are the transgressors.

So even the Koran says Christs words are Truth and should be followed otherwise Christians are sinners. Muslims should be supporting the Bible not denouncing and changing it.

Ick

He’s out of the hospital and still drinking heavily.

More prayers appreciated.

BobRyan said:

So when the group promoting a given doctrine says - we don't find this in the Bible and it has no historicity in the first century authors - well I think it is worth mentioning.

You might think that such a thing is what all churches do - but I beg to differ.

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Spare us the posturing, your chucrh embrces extra-biblical doctrines. Quote your "proof texts" and lets see how well they support your dogma; I can't do all the work. Show me where the Bible say your IJ will begin in 1844,. Show us where Jesus comes into your Heavenly Sanctuary. Show us the details, Bob. We'll wait.

My heart, meditate on what is true and lovely
Sing of Jesus a precious melody

In the day and into the night
The Lord will help me fight the good fight.

Im broken and weak, but the Lord's is strong
He is my strength, and he is my song

In the morning, he is still with me
And my heart waits for his tender mercy

O Peace in my heart, how lovely you sing
Praise the Lord my soul in everything..

Belk said:

Well, except the Shakers if you consider forced celibacy birth control.

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Well….in a way they were monastic.

The Shakers still exist, there are 2 (yes, 2) left in the world today.

My heart, meditate on what is true and lovely
Sing of Jesus a precious melody

In the day and into the night
The Lord will help me fight the good fight.

Im broken and weak, but the Lord's is strong
He is my strength, and he is my song

In the morning, he is still with me
And my heart waits for his tender mercy

O Peace in my heart, how lovely you sing
Praise the Lord my soul, in everything..

JoyAlton said:

Up till 1930, all Christian denominations rejected use of birth control. Today the Catholic church is the only church that still rejects use of contraception and divorce. The church predicted exactly what would happen with the use of contraception and here we are today. Divorce, remarriage, abortion, homosexuality mainstream and now transgenderism. What next?

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You’re absolutely right. It’s a spiritual crisis. But those who don’t acknowledge God won’t see it that way.

Again: the longer it goes, the more I understand why St. Anthony simply threw up his hands and went waaaaaay out into the desert.

The Barbarian said:

Sounds awful. Got a checkable link?

Sounds like another desperate excuse, doesn't it?

Get the evidence to Comer. He needs help right now. What do you have?

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Sparrow24 said:

Thank you. He drives a truck locally. He's home every night and weekend which has been a huge answer to prayer (previously it looked like he was going to have to be OTR and home only three out of eighteen days, a prospect we dreaded).

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Amen to that. Local > national, as your husband can arrive home every day.

Wolseley said:

I like all kinds of different music, except for the noisy junk (metal, acid, hair); and I don't like rap, derivative jazz, or most modern pop. I like postwar popular music, but you hardly ever hear it played---if you find a 50s channel, it's gonna be 50s rock and roll or rockabilly. Which is okay, but there's an awful lot of really good stuff recorded between 1946 and 1960 that they just omit, which is too bad.

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Agreed. Modern pop is not good, same with metal, most modern jazz and rap. Most of the songs on my playlist are 1960s-2020s, but for stuff after the early 1990s, most songs are small indie bands. A few songs are from the 1940s-1950s, but I am slowly building up my repertoire.

The Barbarian said:

Sounds awful. Got a checkable link?

Sounds like another desperate excuse, doesn't it?

Get the evidence to Comer. He needs help right now. What do you have?

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The Barbarian said:

Sounds awful. Got a checkable link?

Sounds like another desperate excuse, doesn't it?

Get the evidence to Comer. He needs help right now. What do you have?

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AlexB23 said:

Welcome to the forums. May your husband have safe, blessed drives in the truck or bus.

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Thank you. He drives a truck locally. He's home every night and weekend which has been a huge answer to prayer (previously it looked like he was going to have to be OTR and home only three out of eighteen days, a prospect we dreaded).

He has a right to his views. Good for him for standing up to what he believes in, but I do not like his comments on women.

I love the TLM and wish to attend it more frequently,

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It is cool that you know so much about Big Band music. I am slowly getting into pre-1950s music that is jazz.

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I like all kinds of different music, except for the noisy junk (metal, acid, hair); and I don't like rap, derivative jazz, or most modern pop. I like postwar popular music, but you hardly ever hear it played---if you find a 50s channel, it's gonna be 50s rock and roll or rockabilly. Which is okay, but there's an awful lot of really good stuff recorded between 1946 and 1960 that they just omit, which is too bad.

The Barbarian said:

It's pretty clear what happened. When Trump was found to have stolen the records, Biden and Pence (and probably Obama and Bush) likely told their people "make really sure I don't have anything I shouldn't have." Thing is, it's pretty difficult to determine if it was accidental or intentional, unless the perp messes up and lies while trying to hide the documents. Then mens rea is pretty obvious. And so Trump's several indictments.

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I am very confidently predicting that Donald Trump will either be acquitted or declared not guilty by the judge and jury that will eventually oversee this Presidential records trial.

GoldenBoy89 said:

“Apparently it was homophobic, anti-trans, anti-abortion, and racist,” Stuckey says. “You don’t have to keep selling me on it.”

Not so much saying the quiet part out loud as they are broadcasting it to the universe.

Don’t let anyone on the right tell you they aren’t these things. They happily embrace their bigotry when someone else is brave enough to say it for them.

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A Christian opposed to the LGBT agenda and is pro-life is bigoted?

Good grief.

Remember what site you are on.