You don’t have a soul; you are a soul?

I said that... forgive my direct answer... because ONLY GOD CAN KILL/DESTROY A SOUL. (Matthew 10:28). Only our infinite God, who gave us that Soul/Breath of Life can Destroy it. It doesn't go away, unless destroyed. It is what goes to heaven or sheol, upon death.

I'm not exegeting this... because that would be an entire OP, that would require sub, OP's, much like this post has already become, but... I will place the scripture for you to read through. Scripture isn't one dimensional. Long before science, Rabbis knew there was far more than this physical universe.

1 Corinthians 15

Resurrection Essential to the Gospel​

Now brothers, I want to clarify[a] for you the gospel I proclaimed to you; you received it and have taken your stand on it. 2 You are also saved by it, if you hold to the message I proclaimed to you—unless you believed for no purpose.[b] 3 For I passed on to you as most important what I also received:

that Christ died for our sins
according to the Scriptures,
4 that He was buried,
that He was raised on the third day
according to the Scriptures,
5 and that He appeared to Cephas,
then to the Twelve.
6 Then He appeared to over 500 brothers at one time;
most of them are still alive,
but some have fallen asleep.
7 Then He appeared to James,
then to all the apostles.
8 Last of all, as to one abnormally born,[c]
He also appeared to me.
9 For I am the least of the apostles, unworthy to be called an apostle, because I persecuted the church of God. 10 But by God’s grace I am what I am, and His grace toward me was not ineffective. However, I worked more than any of them, yet not I, but God’s grace that was with me. 11 Therefore, whether it is I or they, so we proclaim and so you have believed.

Resurrection Essential to the Faith​

12 Now if Christ is proclaimed as raised from the dead, how can some of you say, “There is no resurrection of the dead”? 13 But if there is no resurrection of the dead, then Christ has not been raised; 14 and if Christ has not been raised, then our proclamation is without foundation, and so is your faith.[d] 15 In addition, we are found to be false witnesses about God, because we have testified about God that He raised up Christ—whom He did not raise up if in fact the dead are not raised. 16 For if the dead are not raised, Christ has not been raised. 17 And if Christ has not been raised, your faith is worthless; you are still in your sins. 18 Therefore, those who have fallen asleep in Christ have also perished. 19 If we have put our hope in Christ for this life only, we should be pitied more than anyone.

Christ’s Resurrection Guarantees Ours​

20 But now Christ has been raised from the dead, the firstfruits of those who have fallen asleep. 21 For since death came through a man, the resurrection of the dead also comes through a man. 22 For as in Adam all die, so also in Christ all will be made alive. 23 But each in his own order: Christ, the firstfruits; afterward, at His coming, those who belong to Christ. 24 Then comes the end, when He hands over the kingdom to God the Father, when He abolishes all rule and all authority and power. 25 For He must reign until He puts all His enemies under His feet. 26 The last enemy to be abolished is death. 27 For God has put everything under His feet.[e] But when it says “everything” is put under Him, it is obvious that He who puts everything under Him is the exception. 28 And when everything is subject to Christ, then the Son Himself will also be subject to the One who subjected everything to Him, so that God may be all in all.

Resurrection Supported by Christian Experience​

29 Otherwise what will they do who are being baptized for the dead? If the dead are not raised at all, then why are people baptized for them?[f] 30 Why are we in danger every hour? 31 I affirm by the pride in you that I have in Christ Jesus our Lord: I die every day! 32 If I fought wild animals in Ephesus with only human hope,[g] what good did that do me?[h] If the dead are not raised, Let us eat and drink, for tomorrow we die.[i] 33 Do not be deceived: “Bad company corrupts good morals.”[j] 34 Come to your senses[k] and stop sinning, for some people are ignorant about God. I say this to your shame.

The Nature of the Resurrection Body​

35 But someone will say, “How are the dead raised? What kind of body will they have when they come?” 36 Foolish one! What you sow does not come to life unless it dies. 37 And as for what you sow—you are not sowing the future body, but only a seed,[l] perhaps of wheat or another grain. 38 But God gives it a body as He wants, and to each of the seeds its own body. 39 Not all flesh is the same flesh; there is one flesh for humans, another for animals, another for birds, and another for fish. 40 There are heavenly bodies and earthly bodies, but the splendor of the heavenly bodies is different from that of the earthly ones. 41 There is a splendor of the sun, another of the moon, and another of the stars; for one star differs from another star in splendor. 42 So it is with the resurrection of the dead:

Sown in corruption, raised in incorruption;
43 sown in dishonor, raised in glory;
sown in weakness, raised in power;
44 sown a natural body, raised a spiritual body.
If there is a natural body, there is also a spiritual body. 45 So it is written: The first man Adam became a living being;[m] the last Adam became a life-giving Spirit. 46 However, the spiritual is not first, but the natural, then the spiritual.

47 The first man was from the earth
and made of dust;
the second man is[n] from heaven.
48 Like the man made of dust,
so are those who are made of dust;
like the heavenly man,
so are those who are heavenly.
49 And just as we have borne
the image of the man made of dust,
we will also bear
the image of the heavenly man.

Victorious Resurrection​

50 Brothers, I tell you this: Flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God, and corruption cannot inherit incorruption. 51 Listen! I am telling you a mystery:

We will not all fall asleep,
but we will all be changed,
52 in a moment, in the blink of an eye,
at the last trumpet.
For the trumpet will sound,
and the dead will be raised incorruptible,
and we will be changed.
53 For this corruptible must be clothed
with incorruptibility,
and this mortal must be clothed
with immortality.
54 When this corruptible is clothed
with incorruptibility,
and this mortal is clothed
with immortality,
then the saying that is written will take place:
Death has been swallowed up in victory.[o]
55 Death, where is your victory?
Death, where is your sting?[p]
56 Now the sting of death is sin,
and the power of sin is the law.
57 But thanks be to God, who gives us the victory
through our Lord Jesus Christ!
58 Therefore, my dear brothers, be steadfast, immovable, always excelling in the Lord’s work, knowing that your labor in the Lord is not in vain.
Perhaps read that text at Matthew 10:28 again, in full.
Does it not say, 'fear the One being able to destroy both soul and body in Gehenna.'?

The context then, is helping us to appreciate, that only God can destroy the soul everlastingly.
That does not mean the soul cannot die, or be killed, as the scriptures in this post state.

Thank you!

Scripture uses the term "Sleep" to describe how we perceive death, from the perspective of this Realm of the "living".

John 11:1 He said this, and then He told them, “Our friend Lazarus has fallen asleep, but I’m on My way to wake him up.”​
12 Then the disciples said to Him, “Lord, if he has fallen asleep, he will get well.”​
13 Jesus, however, was speaking about his death, but they thought He was speaking about natural sleep.​
Thank you.

Recall when that little girl died, and Jesus said, “Stop weeping, for she has not died, but is asleep.” (Luke 8:52), and they laughed at him.
Recall also, when Jesus told the disciples that Lazarus was resting, and they said to him, "Well, he will get up when he is ready. What's the worry." (in my own words)??

From the human perspective, the person who dies is gone.
From Jesus' perspective, the person is sleeping, because he is the resurrection and the life. The person will rise from the dead.
So to him, they sleep, and will wake up.

It gives the human, a different perspective to look at, than is common. It also gives them hope.

Jonah 2:2, 1 Peter 3:18-20, and that very parable, make it clear that there is a "Realm of the Dead". I will use STRONGS to assist.

Strong's (Sheol) Word Number H7585
sheol, underworld, grave, hell, pit
  1. the underworld
  2. Sheol - the OT designation for the abode of the dead
Don't get me revved up! Hell is a conflation that has been the result of the scriptural telephone game. SHEOL is the correct term. Hades is the Hellenistic way that the apostles taught the greeks, though "Hades" is the god of the Greco Roman underworld. Just keep it at Sheol. What we know as HELLFIRE... isn't lit, until the end of ages.
It's always good to trace history, especially when it comes to language usage of the past.
Let's see what history has to say for our benefit.

Sheol
While the Hebrew Bible appears to describe Sheol as the permanent place of the dead, in the Second Temple period (roughly 500 BCE – 70 CE) a more diverse set of ideas developed. In some texts, Sheol is considered to be the home of both the righteous and the wicked, separated into respective compartments; in others, it was considered a place of punishment, meant for the wicked dead alone. When the Hebrew scriptures were translated into Greek in ancient Alexandria around 200 BCE, the word "Hades" (the Greek underworld) was substituted for Sheol, owing to its similarities to the Underworld of Greek mythology. The gloss of Sheol as "Hades" is reflected in the New Testament where Hades is both the underworld of the dead and the personification of the evil it represents.[4]

Hades
In older Greek myths, the realm of Hades is the misty and gloomy abode of the dead (also called Erebus) where all mortals go when they die. Very few mortals could leave Hades once they entered.

Hades in Christianity
Hades, according to various Christian denominations, is "the place or state of departed spirits", borrowing the name of Hades, the Greek god of the underworld. It is often associated with the Jewish concept of Sheol.

Early Christian views​
The variously titled fragment "Against Plato" or "De Universo", attributed to Hippolytus of Rome (c. 170 – c. 236), has the following:​
But now we must speak of Hades, in which the souls both of the righteous and the unrighteous are detained. Hades is a place in the created system, rude, a locality beneath the earth, in which the light of the world does not shine; and as the sun does not shine in this locality, there must necessarily be perpetual darkness there. This locality has been destined to be as it were a guard-house for souls, at which the angels are stationed as guards, distributing according to each one's deeds the temporary punishments for characters. And in this locality there is a certain place set apart by itself, a lake of unquenchable fire, into which we suppose no one has ever yet been cast; for it is prepared against the day determined by God, in which one sentence of righteous judgment shall be justly applied to all. And the unrighteous, and those who believed not God, who have honoured as God the vain works of the hands of men, idols fashioned, shall be sentenced to this endless punishment

If you aren't familiar with the history of the doctrinal views of various 'denominations' on the Greek word, the article has quite a bit of information.
In English usage the word "Hades" first appears around 1600, as a transliteration of the Greek word "ᾅδης"...

For me, the safest and more accurate way of defining Sheol and Hades, is their use in scripture, and not what people have referred to them as, over the course of history.

I frequently offer multiple theological interpretations on matters that aren't "Salvational". The 3 outcomes post was about the different ways that people can theologically and quiet biblically proof their idea of what the 2nd death is. I.e. Annihilation, Purgatory or ECT.

God is infinite... No beginning and no end. PERIOD. We are "Eternal", unless destroyed by God Himself. Only the INFINITE can kill the ETERNAL.

I really hope this helps... and am on standby to answer more questions.

All Love in Jesus Christ, to you.
I understand this is what you believe.
Thanks for sharing.

I do not see any scripture that says we are eternal though, as my opening words in this post show.
Again... Thank you. I appreciate having this conversation with you.
Happy to know you welcome quwstions. Stay tuned. :)
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Acts 2:38 in context

Ah… if you would just speak plainly.

Yes, Baptism in water is subsequent to Salvation just as Baptism in the Holy Spirit is subsequent to Salvation also.

The Water follows Salvation.
Its does not cause it, unless water is the Holy Spirit.

It could be that a water cult has taught you that water saves? 'water washes your sin away"?

It does not.
Water is just water, no matter how much the WATER CULTS try to prove that the city water supply, has supernatural powers.

Avoid those, as they are not of God.
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Contempt For Ordinary Voters Undermines Opposition To Trump

No GOP leader is attempting to disenfranchised voters. I refuse to accept that narrative.
It's not a narrative, it's the findings of fact of a legal case.
Although I guess refusing to accept facts is at the heart of many right-wing fairy tales.
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Contempt For Ordinary Voters Undermines Opposition To Trump

Apparently, only liberals believe it is difficult to have a state issued ID.
GOP legislators looked specifically at which forms of ID were least likely to be owned by minority groups. So they didn't need belief, they used data to figure out how to disenfranchise voters.
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The law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus, has set us free from the law of sin and death?

Who does God choose to make a Christian out of? Baptists? SDA? JW?

A.) """Christ came into the world......to save...........= Sinners"""

So, the answer is..

= God makes Christian's out of Sinners.

Welcome to : Salvation

Its a "Gift".
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Contempt For Ordinary Voters Undermines Opposition To Trump

a lot of politicians spend their time in Congress working on re-election and certainly not on issues the People care about.

Ron DeSantis mentions this in his book, but I've known about it for many years.

There should be term limits. then the person knows he or she only has X number of years to get anything done, no re-election to think about.

And incumbents always have the advantage. .. free stampage, paid staff, etc

Better than term limits, I say we end running for office if you hold office. Meaning if Biden wanted to run again in 2024, he would have had to resign by January 1, 2024. DeSantis would have had to step down as Governor of Florida by the same date.

If you are in office, you work for us, not trying to get another job. You can serve as often as you like, but you need to be out of office if you want to run for office.
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The Danger of "Keeping Sabbath."

I don’t think the Sabbath is any different than breaking any other commandments. James 2:10-12 We can change our path and ask Jesus for forgiveness 1 John 1:9 and ask Him to help us keep His commandments John 14:15-18 but those who rebel against God’s law we are told are the lost Rom 8:7-8 Mat 7:21-23 Heb 10:26-30 Rev 22:14-15 1 John 2:4. If we love Jesus why wouldn’t we want to do everything He ask or live out the life He lived for our example to follow 1 John 2:6 1 Peter 2:21-23 Heb 4:15. If we stumble along the way, we can go directly to Jesus but when He heals, He said go and sin no more, so a righteous man will always get back up. Through Jesus we can keep His commandments Rev 14:12 and live holy and righteous lives. Phil 4:13 Isa 56:1-6 which reconciles us Isa 56:7 Rev 22:14
How well is one to “keep” the sabbath? If we are reconciled to God by our good works then why did Jesus have to die?
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The Danger of "Keeping Sabbath."

That doesn't say the true Sabbath is found in Jesus. In fact The Sabbath is not connected to those verses context at all.
I have found that all of scripture is about Jesus. Hebrews 4 expands the concept of the sabbath. The sabbath was instituted as a day of rest because God ceased all of His work. We are called to to cease all of our working for salvation by being in Christ by faith.

We have been perfected forever by Christ’s one sacrifice so we can now rest in Him.
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The Trinity

The Trinity is defintely a man-made doctrine. If you know what the holyspirit actually is, you would know there is literally no scriptural evidence for the Trinity at all.

The revelation of the three-oneness of God is many, many places through the Bible.

And the one who confesses having the Son has the Father also.

Everyone who denies the Son does not have the Father either; he who confesses the Son has the Father also. (1 John 2:23)


In your next post to me you will tell me, I hope, that you have the Son of God and the Father also as your God.
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Donald Trump indicted by Manhattan grand jury

What is the tax code violation? Sure Cohen lied and said he did legal work for Trump and paid taxes on this fake income, but handing money over to the government is not really tax fraud, Maybe Trump claimed it a legal expense when Trump paid his taxes, you could do that before 2018 as far as I can tell.
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The Trinity

Hi the trinity is it from God or man I say from man there is nothing in scripture to support it God or Christ or his apostles ever mention it so why must we believe it should we believe man or God.
For not believing it I have been classed as a non Christian on here which I resent the only thing according to Gods word to be part on the body of Christ and as such a Christian is

Act 16:30 And brought them out, and said, Sirs, what must I do to be saved?

Act 16:31 And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house

All pretty simple and strait forward.

Love and Peace
Dave
"Money solves everything" (Ecclesiastes 10:19) is also pretty simple and strait forward.

Do you recognize that Jesus said a divine "We" will come to make an abode with the lover of Jesus?

Jesus answered and said to him, If anyone loves Me, he will keep My word, and My Father will love him, and We will come to him and make an abode with him. (John 14:23)

Through many centuries Christians who have been saved have considered "How should we describe this mystery?" paraphrased.
Sometimes they may have erred too much on one side or the other.

But it is realistic to know Christians as smart as you and I and often a lot smarter, have thought HOW to think about
such a mysterious nature of God. I wouldn't assume too quickly that I get it and so many Christ lovers just didn't.

Do you realize that the Lord Jesus spoke of He and the Father as a divine "Us" ?

That they all may be one; even as You, Father, are in Me and I in You, that they also may be in Us; that the world may believe that You have sent Me. (John 17:21)


Do you also remind Christians how "simple and strait forward" John 17:21 is ?

God is triune that we may have God living in us and we living and being perfected as one in Him.
Don't think of "the Trinty" solely for a theological idea we all must have instead of living in this mysterious God and
having the divine "We" and the divine "Us" flowing into us.
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Moon light - the word of God vs falsely so called science

Sure cause the people who wrote it saw what was up in the sky, and knew that it changed from time to time. But where is this talk about 'it was created to function in stages of light'?

The Moon was created as a light to rule the night. Not to wander around in daytime and nighttime with different levels of illumination.

That sounds like something added to the Bible to match what you see in the sky.

Genesis 1 again sates the two great lights were created for time keeping. Just as i see satan as a factor in the fall tempting Eve. The Bible does not have say exactly that the moon function's in stage of lighting to believe God created the moon as a light. Just as The Bible does not need to outright say satan tempted Eve.

The Bible states the moon is a created light and also states during the tribulation the moon will not give it's light.

But really what is the point in this back and forth discussion with a person who does not even believe in God.
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Moon light - the word of God vs falsely so called science

I ask you again what is today's date?
Now you are being a hypocrite because you are not using a lunar calendar but a solar calendar.
By your own standards that makes you as much a sinner as everyone else for rejecting the use of God's timepiece the moon.

Since God supposedly created the moon for eclipses explain how we sinful humans can predict eclipses in advance in regions on the earth's surface using sinful ideas such as the earth not being flat and not being a stationary body at the centre of the universe.
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I do not need a lecture from somebody who believes about 10% of The Bible (if that much). Eclipses were predicted long before deceptive science came about.
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Absolute proof.. can't deny.. the earth is flat

That's because they are. You have no real evidence that they went & walked on the moon.
You have no evidence that the photos were all faked.

All that you are doing is calling other Christians, liars. You know that Jesus said that when people insult his followers they insult him?
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Absolute proof.. can't deny.. the earth is flat

It is you guys who slander me & not I who slanders you.
It's not anyone's intention to slander you. I'm sorry if it's come across that way. I suggest this may be due to frustration, on our part, with someone who can accept every word that proceeds from YouTube, who occasionally asks sensible and thoughtful questions - and then comes out with stuff like "are people in Australia upside down, or what?" And "this clip from YouTube is genuine; that clip from YouTube has been faked by Nasa."

You have been given maps, evidence and photos to show a) the the earth is a sphere and b) that men have walked on the moon.
You don't accept them.
You have been told to do this experiment, go and take a photo of ... , go and ask a travel agent about ...., research this matter.
You won't do any of it.

And, quite seriously, Jesus said that we should love God with all of our mind, Matthew 22:37. The NT says that we should fill our minds with things which are good, noble, right and pure, Philippians 4:8. It says we should be transformed by the renewing of our minds, Romans 12:1. Yet you seem to fill your mind with conspiracy theories, books on conspiracy theories and books which you say are "Bible related", but which are, in fact, not Scriptural.
If you did a little more of the former, you might not come out with statements like "being vaccinated will keep the devil happy" which in fact show a complete non understanding (if there is such a word) of Scripture.
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The Danger of "Keeping Sabbath."

Matthew 11:28-30 “Come to me, all you who are weary and burdened, and I will give you rest. Take my yoke upon you and learn from me, for I am gentle and humble in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. 30 For my yoke is easy and my burden is light.”

Exodus 33:14​

And he said, “My presence will go with you, and I will give you rest.”
That doesn't say the true Sabbath is found in Jesus. In fact The Sabbath is not connected to those verses context at all.
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Normandt' meditations

144. Path to holiness


This sentence can make us think of all those who dare to recognize that God is their only possible path to holiness:
“‘Come! let us go to implore the favour of the Lord’; and, ‘I too will go to seek the Lord.’” Zechariah, chapter 8, verse 21

Me, whatever the case, I will seek the face of the Lord, I will look for it and I will find him. I have decided that my will, I will place it in a safe place, in God’s Heart. Let’s find him, together!

The new American Bible, 2011-2014
Book: … for Love, Normand Thomas
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The law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus, has set us free from the law of sin and death?

Well, God does make Christians,.. as who else but the Holy Spirit can birth a "new Creation in Christ".... but God does not choose some for hell and some for heaven (pre-destined).
Who does God choose to make a Christian out of? Baptists? SDA? JW?
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