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CoreyD · 2024-05-02T03:35:27-0500

Grip Docility said:
You are most welcome.

Be a lot cooler if you did...

No thanks.
If I could read mind in my imperfect state, do you know how much trouble I'd be in?
Think about it. It's best to leave the mind reading to perfect beings, like Christ.
Us humans can all be uncool... including @Grip Docility

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Grip Docility said:
Like when in the middle of a sinless doctrine debate.... aaaaaaannnnd they quoted James chapter 2, aaaaaaannnnd a scripture wall involving the word "obey"... Annnnnnddddd They're quoting condemnation scripture towards me.....

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Can you put that in English please. You lost me. Sorry.

Grip Docility said:
Sigh... Do you know how much scripture surfing we are going to have to do to fully define this? You have a gift for asking questions that are a 100 lb sack of nails, contained in a 1 lb sack!

I'm sorry.
Am I asking too many questions.
I ask questions in order to be clear in understanding a person.
If it's too much for you, just let me know, and I'll stop.

Grip Docility said:
I Love you for that!

Oh, good.

Grip Docility said:
This is going to have to be a specific, dedicated post. It will be a rather large one, to back it up scripturally... so... I will generate it and link it (here), after we chug through this monster post, that currently exists.

In post (Number 37) I said:

Genesis 1:2 Ruach Elohim
Genesis 6:17 Ruach (Breath of Life)

G4151 - pneuma - Strong's Greek Lexicon
G4151 - pneuma - Strong's Greek Lexicon (kjv)
Interesting enough, we see God form from the lifeless dust of the earth, a man, in Genesis 2:7.

Several interesting Hebrew words come to play in this small portion of scripture, that crescendo, in a sense, at Genesis 2:7.

5315. nephesh (Feminine, Soul, Living Being)
5397. neshamah (Feminine, Breath) - From nasham; a puff, i.e. Wind, angry or vital breath, divine inspiration, intellect. Or (concretely) an animal -- blast, (that) breath(-eth), inspiration, soul, spirit.
5301. naphach

Brown-Driver-Briggs
[נָפַח] verb breathe, blow (כור נפוח Ecclus 43:4 a furnace blown upon (heated hot); Late Hebrew נָפַח id., ᵑ7 נְפַח, Syriac

; Assyrian napâ—u, inflame, nappa—u, smith DlHWB 474; Arabic (

and)

blow; Ethiopic

or

Di712); —

I find these words interesting, because, within them, the equation for life is revealed. What I find most interesting is that God intimately breaths His very "Breath" into "lifeless dust"...... which needed some form of liquid to become (clay)... which I personally believe is echoed here (John 9:6)

All this to say, (dead substance created by God} + {Breath and possible salivation of God) = (Human Soul, Human Being, Living spiritual Being)

Thanks.
I would not have known, if I had not asked, because I did not read that post.
Thank you for being patient enough to answer.

Grip Docility said:
Could you please quote where in the world you got the idea that I insinuated that God "did not"...... It was either a typo, or a misunderstanding on your part, due to the fact that I was responding in a relaxed format, lacking precision.

It's not your fault, sorry.
It's that mistake I made with seeing just one lion.
I probably was imagining myself as David, killing that lion.

It was actually @Semper-Fi who said it, several times.

God did not blow a soul into Adams lungs; he became a soul.

I know it does not say God blew a soul into Adams nostrils/lungs.

God did not blow a soul into Adams lungs;
he became a soul/creature.

Again, sorry for the mix up.
I recognize now there are two lions in this arena.

Grip Docility said:
There's that 100 lb sack of nails. This isn't just one question. What it appears that you are asking is several questions.

When did Adam become "Eternal"?

That's not the question, sorry.
You didn't say Adam was eternal. You said Adam had an eternal soul within him.
However, if you are saying that Adam is the soul, and therefore Adam is eternal, my question to you would be, 'Did Adam die?'.
So, perhaps you could clarify your belief on this first.
Does Adam have an eternal soul, or is Adam the eternal soul, or both, or other?

Grip Docility said:
When did Adam become/receive his Soul?

If you believe Adam has an eternal soul, yes. When did Adam receive his eternal soul?

Grip Docility said:
I don't agree that the soul is eternal, can you proof this?

No. I would not express that, because I know persons refer to the parable of the rich man and Lazarus, to support the belief in the immortal soul.
I'd rather ask, 'how can the soul be immortal, when the Bible says the soul dies?'

Grip Docility said:
Please correct me if I am wrong, so we can approach this in a way that answers your question, specifically.

Done. Thanks.

Grip Docility said:
You can read it in Genesis. But, that would be a lazy answer, and I have promised to become more articulate. So, here goes an attempt at a precise answer.

We have to nail down a fact that scripture reveals, first. We are made in the image of God. That is no joke. God is a "Trinity/Tri-Unity" ie. God is Tri-Une or Fully Une and also Fully Three. (Please don't go into Trinity doctrine at this point, as it is a well established matter that would derail this conversation beyond repair, to expound, exegete on the matter, at this point. God is 1 and 3.

We are 1 and 3, as well.
1: Mind: Romans 12:2 Do not be conformed to this age, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind, so that you may discern what is the good, pleasing, and perfect will of God.

2: Heart: 1 Samuel 12:24 Only fear the Lord and serve him faithfully with all your heart. For consider what great things he has done for you.

3: Soul: 1 Peter 2:25 For you were going astray like sheep; but now have returned to the Shepherd and Overseer of your souls.

You don't believe we are body / flesh then?

Grip Docility said:
Scriptural links on this matter could easily turn into 1000's of scriptures to back this... however, luckily, we have them all 3 in one location.
Luke 10:27 And you shall love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind and with all your strength.’

Please don't forget Matthew 10:28, and 1 Thessalonians 5:23.
What about spirit?

Also, what about strength?
At Luke 10:27, we read, And he answered, “You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength and with all your mind, and your neighbor as yourself.”

Grip Docility said:
Okay, hopefully you gathered the simple scriptural point that we are made in God's image, in a very special way, from that spoiler.

I gathered the reasoning of the mind of men, Grip.
Is that not what that is?

Grip Docility said:
Next, we are going to have to bind a scriptural understanding of how this plays out, in light of our discussion.

The mind, grey matter... physical being that is capable of thought, is DUST. It rots upon death.

The heart, inclinations, desires, culmination of will, needs and secret motives. This is the part that "goes of like a light switch turned to off" when we die, that you keep referring to.

The Soul, This is the part of us that simultaneously contains the very result of our heart and mind as they respond to our existence within this world. This "Thing" also contains the very "Breath of God". It's our very TRUE BEING. Our Bodies are Dust of an ephemeral sort, in the presence of a world marred by "DEATH". (Why did that guy use quotation marks when he said death?.... Because, death is now a literal being. It's another name for the devil! When God "Defeats" death, in Revelation, He is literally casting the being responsible for Death existing within His creation into the Lake of Fire.)

The Soul is the part of us that God is after! The Soul is what God SAVED, when He died, was buried and rose from the dead. God spiritually defeated "death" at Golgotha, but will physically defeat "death" at Hinnom/Gehenna.

Ask yourself this question... WHO can KILL/Destroy the Soul?

Matthew 10:28 Don’t fear those who kill the body but are not able to kill the soul; rather, fear Him who is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.

Who is the "Him" in that verse?

Ecclesiastes 12:7

and the dust returns to the earth as it once was,
and the spirit returns to God who gave it.

Ecclesiastes 3:20-21

20 All are going to the same place; all come from dust, and all return to dust. 21 Who knows if the spirit of people rises upward and the spirit of animals goes downward to the earth?

Isaiah 57:16

For I will not accuse you forever,
and I will not always be angry;
for then the spirit would grow weak before Me,
even the breath of man, which I have made.

Hebrews 12:9

Furthermore, we had natural fathers discipline us, and we respected them. Shouldn’t we submit even more to the Father of spirits and live?

Matthew 10:28

Don’t fear those who kill the body but are not able to kill the soul; rather, fear Him who is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.

Revelation 6:9

When He opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the people (Souls)[a] slaughtered because of God’s word and the testimony they had.

Philippians 1:23

I am pressured by both. I have the desire to depart and be with Christ—which is far better—

2 Corinthians 5:8

and we are confident and satisfied to be out of the body and at home with the Lord.

2 Timothy 4:6

For I am already being poured out as a drink offering, and the time for my departure is close.

Jonah 2:2

I called to the Lord in my distress,
and He answered me.
I cried out for help in the belly of Sheol;
You heard my voice

1 Peter 3:18-20

For Christ also suffered for sins once for all,[a]
the righteous for the unrighteous,[b]
that He might bring you[c] to God,
after being put to death in the fleshly realm[d]
but made alive in the spiritual realm.[e]
19 In that state[f] He also went and made a proclamation to the spirits in prison[g] 20 who in the past were disobedient, when God patiently waited in the days of Noah

To answer your question...
Persons - the soul - can did by various means. See here.
However, the person can only be destroyed permanently, withut any hope of return to life, by the ones who determine that - God and Christ.

Grip Docility said:
I'm Glad I understand your perspective!

POST CONTINUED ON NEXT POST

Thanks. See you later.

Guojing · 2024-05-02T03:20:08-0500

Bible Highlighter said:
You mean, Galatians chapter 1, verses 7-9, right?

If so, while the word "you" refers to how this letter was written to the Galatian church, the message still applies to all believers.

Galatians 3:28
"There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus."

I meant Galatians 2:7-9

Water and Fire · 2024-05-02T03:19:03-0500

Sheol is the grave.

rocknanchor · 2024-05-02T03:02:22-0500

V10: drunk

Cockcrow · 2024-05-02T02:59:46-0500

That's a strange doctrine, the bible tells us to not be carried about with divers and strange doctrines. People are always looking for new doctrines, new things, but they can't show you a clear scripture. that is always a red flag when they can't show you a clear scripture but they tell you to just watch some video to figure it out. No you should be able to show me from the Bible your doctrine otherwise I am not going to listen.

davetaff · 2024-05-02T02:45:29-0500

Strong in Him said:
You seem to be missing the point. We can discuss this on Christian Forums, just not on this particular part of it. If you read the Statement of purpose at the top of the board, it says:

If you don't accept the Trinity then this section of the forum is not the correct place for your thread.

OK I've been censored I will not mention the trinity again on this thread this thread was never about the trinity it jest got side tract this thread is about Adam the first man created in the image of God and as such would be created in the same way as the last Adam

Love and Peace
Dave

HARK! · 2024-05-02T02:31:53-0500

Petros2015 said:
Yep I was thinking about that when you were saying "electric drill for threshing, and an electric fan for winnowing. I need to build a thresher that runs on pedal power." There's an economy to calories - if I expend 600 calories to get 500 calories, I'll lose the game.

I'm not sure how big your threshers and drills are. I was thinking of something like the scale of a hand power drill running off a rechargeable battery; if I have a setup (solar, woodgas, whatever) that can drive a generator enough to charge a battery periodically, then I have portable tools and power, at least as long as the batteries continue to function and recharge (and probably for quite a bit longer than anyone else). Useful, and not burning calories with pedal power for anything needed.

I do have a small stock of gas, 25 gallons and a standard generator. lol and a couple of siphons... next to the bolt cutters... move along, nothing to see here but I want a setup that still works at least partially to generate power if the stations aren't there for us; should be achievable and it's a fun project.

Electricity also gives you electrolysis, and electrolysis gives you Hydrogen... Turns out there are more calories in water than you might think, not as much as diesel (and not really safe to store), but enough to be impressive.

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I've been making my own bleach and lye through electrolysis; and I have a powerful setup to do it. I have a 20A variac with a rectifier that can handle the current. I would have been making hydrogen for years now, if I had a good way to store it.

Well at least with the bleach and the lye, I can clean up nicely after I work up a sweat doing hard labor.

I had planned to build my own large NiFe batteries. I had been looking for a good source for a good price on 99% sheet nickle; but it looks like time is running out on that project. Food is a priority.

Chickens can live on grass. It's their primary food source; and I get more eggs than I can eat with about a dozen layers. I give away dozens of eggs every week; if I'm not mass filling my incubators. They slow down their laying in the winter; but with hydrated lime I can safely store eggs without refrigeration for a year.

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I had over 100 chicken last year; but a feral cat came though; and there was a massacre. I have three incubators running non-stop this spring; and I will soon have over 100 chickens again. I can expect the young ones to start laying next spring.

Bradskii · 2024-05-02T02:28:16-0500

IceJad said:
I beg to differ. Any display of unequal treatment base on racial makeup is a form of racism.

No, it's not. Two of the examples you gave were attempts to benefit a minority that some considered actually needed the help *. Whether you think that's justified or not, to try to twist that 180 degrees to say that it was a racist attitude to the majority is a clumsy sleight of hand that only the dyed-in-the-wool, far right, woke-complaining individuals who couldn't differentiate a Marx quote between Karl or Harpo would be fooled by.

* Notwithstanding that you are complaining about white people being racist by treating white people unequally. If that's not utter nonsense then I'm at a loss how to describe it.

Zao is life · 2024-05-02T02:23:50-0500

Clare73 said:
"As far as the election is concerned, they are loved on account of the patriarchs." (Ro 11:28)

It is the "election" (Ro 11:28), the part (remnant) who believes, who are not hardened (Ro 11:25), who are loved.

I disagree with your deduction. The election you are talking about above is linked to the gospel which all must believe in order to be part of the elect remnant - but Paul states specifically that they are enemies as far as the gospel is concerned - yet regarding God's election of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, He still loves them for the sake of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, because He has His election of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob in mind always. "For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance."

He still loves them is not the same as saying that are part of the elect remnant. It's saying that because of God's election of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, He loves those descendants of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob who are broken off through their unbelief - and the words "BELOVED of God for the sake of the fathers" "and as far as God's election is concerned" should not be overlooked, IMO.

If what you said were true then it nullifies the need for faith in Christ and belief of the gospel because then Paul is talking about the elect remnant being beloved for the fathers' sakes as regarding God's election, rather than because of believing the gospel.

Slibhin · 2024-05-02T02:20:35-0500

RileyG said:
Even Ben Shapiro, as an Orthodox Jew, was very much opposed to abortion.

I said nothing theologically wrong.

Furthermore, if you disagree with me that is fine. I 100% respect everyone’s right to have their own views. That’s your right. Agree to disagree and move on.

Ben Shapiro is not the emperor of the Jews and frequently espouses views that are in direct conflict with halackha. If you want to discuss the theology of it I'll point out that neither the Jewish or Christian bibles have a single verse about the subject of abortion.

The reason I said it was a mistake to take you seriously is because, aside from screaming about all life matters, you haven't addressed anything that was said. Since I posted numerous cited articles that antiabortion laws were killing women and you acted as if I had not, it means:

- You aren't listening
- Don't care
- Trolling
- A fanatic
- Combination of two or more of the above

Since I'm one of the people those laws would have killed, I do not much appreciate you insisting on my death to preserve your ideological sensibilities.

In any case since you are not equipped to listen or absorb what people are telling you, it's not worth the discussion.

Water and Fire · 2024-05-02T02:20:08-0500

Mark Quayle said:
They burn in hell for disobedience, rebellion. It is who they are, what they are, and what they do.

We would all do the same, but for God being merciful to whom he will show mercy.

No one is doing anything of the sort.

sparow · 2024-05-02T02:13:52-0500

Mark Quayle said:
I wouldn't be so sure. Must God comply with the laws of physics? Is he subject to them, or are they subject to him?

The laws of Physics are man's attempt to understand and reverse engineer God's creation, God does not change, unless planet earth became a spiritual entity; there is no reason to believe that.

sparow · 2024-05-02T02:04:18-0500

Bob S said:
She wrote that if we do not observe the Sabbath we will be lost. Do you believe that? Do you keep the Sabbath according to Is18:13? If you tell me you do then I have found the first one that does.

Blame it on the Pharisees, not that they were not guilty, but Israel as a nation was doomed to fail. That is why God devised the plan of Salvation before the foundation of the Earth.

Man is guilty of his own actions

Why then does all mankind need Jesus? Are you still blaming the Pharisees for your failures?

Solomon lived under the Law, we don't.

It does not bother me that she said that; there would be context that you have omitted, the WE there would refer to her congregation. I shall add, anyone who has pondered the Sabbath issue is without excuse, regarding what day. I do not know that the SDA keep the Sabbath, they keep the day of course; They would first need to ENTER INTO the covenant; they would need to give conscientious thought to that and understand what that means, and what exactly the Sabbath is a sign of, historically and prophetically.

<<Blame it on the Pharisees, not that they were not guilty, but Israel as a nation was doomed to fail. That is why God devised the plan of Salvation before the foundation of the Earth.>>

I am impressed by the way you twist the word of God. I think we can say for most part Israel trod the sanctuary of God underfoot, but they had their good moments; they set up the types for which Christ is now setting up the anti-types; Israel crashed often, and a remnant would come out of Israel and renew the covenant. What about Christians, have they ever trodden the sanctuary of God underfoot.

The way that I understand Dan 8:13,14. the sanctuary is trodden underfoot for 2300 years. Is it still Israel treading the sanctuary underfoot or is it Christians, or both?

I acknowledge the Sabbath because God said to keep it and the law cannot be changed.

I do not know why you quote Isa 18:13.

You should read Isa 56:2-6, Isa 58:9-13, Isa 66:22-24.

mikeforjesus · 2024-05-02T02:03:41-0500

I found these 2 books which should help me start to improve my relationship with God to aid my prayers by memorising bible verses but is not exhaustive. I think I shall seek to go through every book of bible and pick key verses that I can make a book as document to share that I can keep myself occupied and also study bible commentaries

Strong in Him · 2024-05-02T01:59:07-0500

Apple Sky said:
I think you'll find it's the other way round.

I hope you don't mean that you should be slandering your fellow Christians because God doesn't take anything seriously?

Joseph G · 2024-05-02T01:49:18-0500

Been there, done that, got the t-shirt, too. Good advice to check out Mark DeJesus.

Praying for you, Argem. Take heart... "He who began a good work in you SHALL carry it on to completion in Christ Jesus!" Phillipians 1:6

Always an ear here if you need it. God bless!

IceJad · 2024-05-02T01:48:57-0500

Kokavkrystallos said:
Russia flaunts Western military hardware captured in war in Ukraine
I'm in Victory Park, Moscow's giant memorial complex dedicated to the Soviet Union's defeat of Nazi Germany. A new open-air exhibition has just opened.

But it has nothing to do with World War Two.

On display is Western military hardware captured by the Russian army in Ukraine.

They are war trophies and Russia has decided to flaunt them.

Among the armour here is a British Army Husky tactical support vehicle which had been donated to Ukraine. Its windscreen is covered in bullet-holes.

Opposite the Husky I can see Western tanks that had been transferred to the Ukrainian military. There's an American Abrams which had been damaged on the battlefield. A German Leopard tank, too.

In fact, there's a long line of German armour. And above it a sign: "History is repeating itself."

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The Russians have not invented the wheel here. In the past Ukraine has displayed Russian military hardware that had been captured by the Ukrainian army.

Russia flaunts Western military hardware captured in war in Ukraine

The display seeks to energise Russians ahead of the country's victory day celebrations on 9 May.

www.bbc.com

Russia shows off NATO military hardware captured in Ukraine; Moscow to beef up weapons, front line forces

Russian crowds are flocking to see a new exhibition in Moscow of NATO military hardware that was captured by Russian forces in Ukraine.

The display features a range of “trophies,” ranging from U.S.-made armored fighting vehicles to state-of-the-art tanks and European armored personnel carriers, from 12 countries including the U.S., U.K., France, Sweden, South Africa, Turkey, Australia and Germany.

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https://www.cnbc.com/2024/05/01/ukraine-war-live-updates-latest-news-on-russia-and-the-war-in-ukraine.html

But the real question is will Putin be honest and show the Russian people the actual number of dead soldiers. Oh you know their family members. Especially those who are conscripted to fight in this special military operations.

Is Russia still calling it special military operations now? I kinda lost track. But hey semantics let's just call it what it is - an invasion.

Gnarwhal · 2024-05-02T01:35:26-0500

Shane R said:
My daughter has not been thriving at the public school. She was referred out to counseling with a licensed social worker. Anyhow, her public school has pretty well given up on her.

I went to her last appointment and spoke to the social worker about the local Catholic school. It is widely regarded as the best school in the county. But this social worker was keen to tell me, "They don't just teach the Catholic faith!" I'm sure she thought this would be encouraging to me, as an Anglican priest, but it was not. If I'm sending the girl to a Catholic school, I expect her to receive Catholic teaching. It is my experience that any attempt to teach something you're not is not accurate.

Unfortunately there are a lot of Catholic schools that are treated like secular prep schools nowadays, like Philips Exeter.

My wife's from Long Island and she said most Catholic schools there are nearly just Catholic In Name Only, they've been overrun by rich irreligious or even Muslim families who want to send their kids to these schools for the pedigree but don't have any vested interest in the faith. Even worse, a lot of the parents object outright to Catholicism being represented much--in Catholic schools! A lot of them work their way onto the PTA/PTO and find ways to snuff it out of the school's culture. The average diocesan school has painted themselves into a corner because the tuition revenue is nice but if they want to keep that gravy train rolling they have to comply with the heathen parents signing the checks.

There is a growing counter movement though. We did a story last fall on an independent Catholic school in Maryland that sticks with a traditional curriculum and is very deliberate in incorporating the true Catholic faith into every aspect of school life. They're happy to turn families away too if the families have any objections to that. The good schools will do that, they'll turn away problem families and in a lot of cases they'll reject any federal or Church funding "to preserve Catholic character and religious liberty."

There's a nationwide system of Catholic schools called Chesterton Schools Network, you might see if there is one within a reasonable commute for you, that might be the best option for your daughter.

RileyG · 2024-05-02T01:30:49-0500

Sunflower39 said:
That’s interesting. Is there a reason behind that? Sorry, I’m a bit clueless, I’ve only been a regular churchgoer for the past year and I’ve only ever been to Anglican churches. At my church, they’ve only just re-introduced drinking from the chalice. Prior to that, it was by intinction for a long time because of covid.

A white wine is served at my church, not sure what it is but I love the taste of it. It’s very strong although sometimes it tastes weaker so I think that perhaps they water it down which is disappointing!

Red Wine, from my experience, was always used at Catholic Churches for the Blessed Sacrament. I do not know any reasons beyond that.

I know, in some Episcopalian Churches (USA), Champagne would sometimes be used for the Eucharist, especially at some special occasions.

I'm not knowledgable. I do not know.

RileyG · 2024-05-02T01:18:52-0500

Hail Mary,
Full of Grace,
The Lord is with thee.
Blessed art thou among women,
and blessed is the fruit
of thy womb, Jesus.
Holy Mary,
Mother of God,
pray for us sinners now,
and at the hour of our death.
Amen