Jerryhuerta said:

Apparently, I’m not getting proper notifications, which accounts for my late response. Even so, I do need a break from such unsound thinking.

Again, you try and get around the ramifications that we live in the time of the rich merchants. They attained their influence and rise to power with the aid of apostate Protestantism over a hundred years ago. That power is not a recent acquisition, as you falsely claim. The historical evidence vindicates historicism and destroys futurism and preterism.

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For the last time, Rich Merchants have existed for centuries, and were not given as a sign in the Olivet Discourse.
Rich merchants mean absolutely nothing unless they have a world government that they control, and the 10 kings overthrow that world government and set up the Beast as their ruler.

Jerryhuerta said:

As I said, if you were a Jew living in Daniel’s time, you would be arguing that the seventy weeks is a short time, 490 days. But it’s not a short time any more than the events depicted in the OD. Daniel prophecies 70 weeks or 490 days, but in reality, the period is 490 years, a day for a year. So, your argument that Daniel does not relate a short time is bogus! Through Daniel, God cloaks a great amount of time in the symbolism of 490 days, a day-for-a-year, which vindicates historicism and destroys futurism and preterism.

I challenge you: where does it say the “destruction of the temple” is determined or decreed in Daniel 9:24? There are six goals decreed in verse 24, and the destruction of the temple is not one of them. The fact that the destruction of the temple is not one of the goals of the seventy weeks destroys your dispensationalist’s argument. The absence makes your argument bogus once again.

If you were really concerned about the truth, verse 25 can’t be avoided in determining that from the time of the decree to restore the city unto the coming of the Messiah, there will be 7 weeks and 62 weeks, which means Christ came on the seventieth week, and his ministry lasted three and a half years; his sacrifice made the sin offerings cease to be acceptable to God, fulfilling verse 27. All the dispensationalists’ presumptions are bogus and an evasion of the proper reading of Daniel 9.

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They count the week they're in when they do counting. Messiah is not cut off in the 70th week, but in the 69th the 70th week begins after the destruction of the sanctuary and the desolations that were determined
after the destruction of the sanctuary, there is a covenant confirmed for 1 week (the 70th) and in the middle of it sacrifices are cut off.
That means sacrifices after the destruction of the sanctuary. You have a syntax problem if you have the 70th week taking place before the destruction of the sanctuary, because the text has the covenant, and the abomination of desolation.... after the destruction of the sanctuary.

You point out the 6 things given as the purpose of the 70 weeks. By that alone you should be able to conclude that the 70 weeks are NOT finished

"to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins", sins still exist, death still exists
"to seal up the vision and prophecy" if you believe that Jesus is still coming again, then this has not been accomplished, and therefore the 70 weeks are not accomplished, because there is still future prophecy, even in your point of view seeing historical events as being fulfillment of prophecy, it was not fulfilled before Jesus ascended from heaven or in 70AD, unless you count yourself a full preterist which I know you don't.

Because there is yet Prophecy to be fulfilled, the 70th week, is yet future.

and.. in addressing the thread topic...
the Early Church Fathers did not believe that the 70th week had been fulfilled in their past.
So if your variant of Historicism involves an already fulfilled 70th week in Christ's ministry or 70AD.. that is not fitting with what the early Church believed.

Dan Perez said:

When reading Eph 3:6 I do fine the word Gentiles // ETHNOS , and have yet to IGNORE or to FIND the word Jews in that CONTEXT !!

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Salvation is from the Jews. John 4:22

Theirs is the adoption to sonship; theirs the divine glory, the covenants, the receiving of the law, the temple worship and the promises.
Theirs are the patriarchs, and from whom, Christ the eternally blessed came, who is over all. Amen. Rom 9:4-6

This covenant and this oath, isn't just for you; it is also for your seed. Deuteronomy 29:12-15

You shall spread abroad to the west and the east, to the north and the south; and in you and in your seed all the families of the earth
shall be blessed. Gen 28:14

And in your seed all the families of the earth shall be blessed.’ To you first, God, having raised up His Servant Jesus, sent Him to bless you,
in turning away every one of you from your iniquities. Acts 3:25-26

Christ would be the first to rise from the dead, [That in all things He may have preeminence Col 1:18] and proclaim light (salvation) to the Jewish people and to the Gentiles. Acts 26:23

Therefore, glorify God together.
Now I say that Jesus Christ has become a servant to the circumcision for the truth of God, to confirm the promises made to the fathers,
and that the Gentiles might glorify God for His mercy, Romans 15:7-9

He proclaimed peace to you [It shall be everlasting Ezekiel 37:26] who were afar off and to those who were near. For through Him we both have access by one Spirit to the Father. Now, therefore, you are no longer strangers and foreigners, but fellow citizens with the saints and members of the household of God, having been built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ Himself being the chief cornerstone. Eph 2:17-22

Fellowship with Him and One Another
The life was manifested, and we have seen, and bear witness,...
God is light and in Him is no darkness at all. 1 John 1:1-6

So now that means both Justices Thomas (husband of insurrection supporter Ginni) and Alito are irreparably compromised in every single case involving the attempts to overturn the election and the events of 1/6.
They must recuse themselves--although retirement would be preferable.
The arrogance and shamelessness disgust me.

hislegacy said:

If you feel closer to God by living in rags and being sick - run with it.

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Do we have to take a vow of poverty to be a Christian?

BobRyan said:

We have the term "Lord's Day" in Rev 1
We have "The Son of Man is LORD of the Sabbath" in Mark 2
We have "the Sabbath - the Holy Day of the LORD" in Is 58:13

But to your point - we don't have any other text that speaks to the Rev 1 term.

So then do you view Is 58:13 as a mistake?

13 “If, because of the Sabbath, you restrain your foot​

From doing as you wish on My holy day,​

And call the Sabbath a pleasure, and the holy day of the Lord honorable,​

And honor it, desisting from your own ways,​

From seeking your own pleasure​

And speaking your own word,​

That Is 58:13 text may help explain why there is such agreement between Sabbath keeping and non-Sabbath keeping scholarship that "The Lord's day" in the Bible - in the OT was the 7th day Sabbath up until the cross (At which point the two groups differ in their views).

I agree that outside of the concept of "my holy day" and "the holy day of the lord" there is also the day of God's wrath and vengeance (a future event) called "The day of the Lord"

3 Know this first of all, that in the last days mockers will come with their mocking, following after their own lusts, 4 and saying, “Where is the promise of His coming? For ever since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue just as they were from the beginning of creation.”...
10 But the day of the Lord will come like a thief, in which the heavens will pass away with a roar and the elements will be destroyed with intense heat, and the earth and its works will be burned up.

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I got a reply from the Rabbi,

"I can’t tell you what the term means in the NT. To the best of my knowledge the Sabbath is not referred to as “G-d’s day,” but it is referred to (in the Torah) as “G-d’s Sabbath,” or His rest day.

When the prophets speak of “the day of G-d,” it refers to when G-d will display to the world that He is the ultimate power, and that those who have sinned will receive their retribution, and G-d will be recognized by all the world as the sole G-d and the sole power. Thus, for example, Isaiah 2 says: ‘A day for G-d of hosts is coming, for every haughty and exalted person, and for everyone that is raised up or lowly... Then the high among men will bow low, and the exalted among people will be brought down; and G-d alone will be elevated on that day.’ "

Gary K said:

If what you said here is true why do you insist we cannot stop sinning?

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The difference between a born-again Christian and a sinner is that the born-again Christian knows when he/she sins and hates it, whereas a sinner is unaware of most of their sins and loves them. When we repent, we turn away from sin toward the one we love, but we still have a body of death, and there is still a war in our members. At one time, we loved what we did, but when we are saved sometimes what we want to do we do not do, but what we hate we do. And if we do what we do not want to do, we agree that the law is good. As it is, it is no longer we who do it, but it is sin living in us.

KevinT said:

I'm not following your point here. Can you elaborate?

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I May be getting threads confused. As well as abrogating the Law, pagan/Christians have changed the Lord's Day from Saturday to Sunday. I was trying to make two points, that the Lord's mentioned in Rev 1:10 has nothing to do with the Sabbath, and to call the Day of God's wrath the Sabbath dismisses the importance of Revelation, which reveals that day.

Gary K said:

If what you said here is true why do you insist we cannot stop sinning?

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When you have stopped sinning, get back to me.

Gary K said:

That's an outlandish claim.

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Heb 10:14 For by a single offering he has perfected for all time those who are being sanctified. Do you merely hum the tune in church when they sing "Blessed Assurance?" This should be good news for you and for everyone.

How many of our sins were laid upon Him?
We all, like sheep, have gone astray,
each of us has turned to our own way;
and the Lord has laid on him
the iniquity of us all. Is 53:6

Gary K said:

I give you scripture that disagrees with your beliefs and you claim it teaches sinlessness. This is once again a very strange idea. The entire Bible teaches just the opposite. Your idea that we must sin has been thoroughly debunked by scripture.

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No, it hasn't. It has been debunked in your imagination but not by scripture. You seem to think that God has a grading system, and if you can manage to get a high enough score, you will make it through the Pearly Gates. What is the standard? 90% and above? How much less than perfect is OK with God?

Gary K said:

Why anyone would want to claim sin has more power than an infinite God is beyond me. Sin came from a created being which makes Lucifer a finite being and sin of finite power and yet you continue making outlandish claims as to the power of sin. Seems to me you love sin more than you love God.

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You should not teach power over sin when you still sin. I have noticed that you will not declare yourself sinless, yet you lay that burden upon others as if you were sinless. God has eradicated my sins, completely destroyed them, and condemned them in the flesh. Even though I am being sanctified, I am counted as perfect for all time because of Christ's Righteousness. He has eradicated yours also if you will grasp His gift by faith.

Jipsah said:

Trying too hard, mate..

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Better that; than wasting effort to just reject and denigrate others who make a genuine attempt to understand the Prophetic Word.
Paul says in 1 Thess 5:4 We should not be in the dark, about what God has planned for our future.

a time to be quiet

Mercy Shown said:

No, it is great news. My righteousness is Jesus, not myself nor my works. My sanctification is Jesus, not myself or my works. As Paul told the Romans, And those whom He thus foreordained, He also called; and those whom He called, He also justified (acquitted, made righteous, putting them into right standing with Himself). And those whom He justified, He also glorified [raising them to a heavenly dignity and condition or state of being] Romans 8:30 If He is for me, who can be against me. In him, my righteousness exceeds that of the Pharisees.

If God calls me clean, then who can call me unclean? Amen!

It is amazing how many people think you can't get into heaven doing what you want to do. But will you get into heaven doing what you don't want to do? I think there is a relationship dysfunction for those who want to sin but try not to get to heaven. Those who think they can't do what they want and get to heaven need to ask themselves what they want.

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If what you said here is true why do you insist we cannot stop sinning?

Gary K said:

You don't understand scripture as well as you think you do.

1Corinthians 1: 30 But of him are ye in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption:

Righteousness is translated from the Greek word:

[*StrongsGreek*]
01343
δικαιοσύνη dikaiosýnē, dik-ah-yos-oo'-nay
from 1342;
equity (of character or act); specially (Christian) justification:--righteousness.

There is another form of righteousness that comes from Jesus, sanctification. which is imparted righteousness. That is the changing of our behavior. As both come from Jesus they are inseparable. We can't pick and choose which type of righteousness we want and reject that which we don't want. Bad news for your beliefs.

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No, it is great news. My righteousness is Jesus, not myself nor my works. My sanctification is Jesus, not myself or my works. As Paul told the Romans, And those whom He thus foreordained, He also called; and those whom He called, He also justified (acquitted, made righteous, putting them into right standing with Himself). And those whom He justified, He also glorified [raising them to a heavenly dignity and condition or state of being] Romans 8:30 If He is for me, who can be against me. In him, my righteousness exceeds that of the Pharisees.

If God calls me clean, then who can call me unclean? Amen!

It is amazing how many people think you can't get into heaven doing what you want to do. But will you get into heaven doing what you don't want to do? I think there is a relationship dysfunction for those who want to sin but try not to get to heaven. Those who think they can't do what they want and get to heaven need to ask themselves what they want.

discombobulated1 said:

So maybe some of the people crossing the border are like those children and their families; they want a better life. I am all for that.

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I do send money to other countries like the aforementioned, but I could probably send more. But I am still against an open border. Let those people come LEGALLY.

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I see that you love helping the poor in poor countries, but you also want them to come legally in a rich country like USA.

You contradicted yourself with that statement that's never going to happen as if you're saying you never want to see poor people from other countries entering USA.

Because the only way for people from poor countries to enter USA legally is they cannot be poor or they be have highly marketable skill in USA which will most likely give them a good life at some point anyway.

A poor person in a poor country with no marketable skill have no hope of entering USA legally except as refugee and that's something that doesn't happen often.

It's stated in USA immigration requirement that someone from a poor country must be able to financially support themselves while in USA and that amount is absolutely not affordable by a poor person.

Vambram said:

Do I really have to spell this out for you, my brother in Christ?

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Well this is a text based forum. I do not believe anyone is able to know what you mean without you spelling it out in a post.

Kinda reminds me of us humans... you got it, I want it!

Zaha Torte said:

I'm with you.

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Consensus is a tricky thing. You can't get countries to agree on anything. Capitalism or communism. Freedom of rights or restrictions of the same. Interventionist or isolationist. Suni or Shia. Christian or secular. Muslim or Hindu. Women's rights or women's subjugation. The coalition of the willing or the axis of evil. Countries have literally gone to war over a football game. So yeah, consensus eh? Slippery little customer. Fat chance of getting anything anywhere near it. Well...with one exception.

The Paris Accord, which was an agreement that recognised gobal warming and set targets for combating it, was signed by every country on the planet (bar three: Libya, Yemen and Iran. I'll note that somebody in a position to do so extricated you guys from it a while back, but the guy who took his place immediately signed you back in).

That sort of consensus where you have North Korea agreeing with South Korea, where you have Israel agreeing with Saudi Arabia, where you have the US agreeing with China and Russia agreeing with Ukraine...well, that must surely give you pause for thought. Surely, that degree of consensus must make you think 'Hmm, maybe I should take another look at this.'

No? Or maybe your level of expertise on the matter is such that you can dismiss all the experts in all the countries on the planet. No, of course it isn't. So let me suggest that you allow people who are worried about the type of world their children and grand children will inherit give you all the information you need to make an educated decision.

stevil said:

Because when people talk, they don't go to the nth degree to explain every little detail in what they are saying.
They speak commonly and are generally understood, in the right context.

When a weather person states that the temperatures in the region are at an all time high, very few people will be wondering what the temperatures were like when the dinosaurs walked the Earth, or in the times prior to Earth having an atmosphere, or in the days prior to life existing on Earth.

That's just ridiculous in the context of a weather report.

Perhaps if a scientist is talking about global warming, but even then given the context they might still just be talking about since the time that humans have been recording temperatures. (given that the global warming discussion is about the effect of humans and our fossil burning habbits on the planet).
If you had a scientist talking about the entire life of Earth. It's formation, the formation of the moon, the start of life, the various ages, the beginning of humanity, the beginning of the industrial age etc, then they would need to consider the temperatures of the Earth of it's entire life.

But in the context of a weather report?
I feel some people can get a bit extreme and silly with there objections. They totally miss the context of conversation.

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And you totally missed the point,

Philip_B said:

How 3 Israeli hostages tried to save themselves, only to be killed by their own military

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On accident, which again is all because of Hamas, and their supporters. Doesn't matter they were kidnapped, does it? Support Hamas at all costs.

Nabeel Qureshi was an American Arabic theological Christian doctor with Islamic background. He died in his 30’s years old. Search his name would find plenty of materials about the relationship between Isaac and Ishmael.

Ish-Shema-El, means the Lord hears man from right to left, and from left to right, man hears the Lord. It is a double way , full of interaction. What did the Lord hear? Affliction.

Gen.16:11 And the angel of the LORD said unto her, Behold, thou art with child, and shalt bear a son, and shalt call his name Ishmael; because the LORD hath heard thy affliction.

The basic meaning of “Jihad” is not holy war, but “Struggle”. In Jewish teaching, everyone need to understand everyone is in “Struggle” and affliction.

Gen. 17:20 And as for Ishmael, I have heard thee: Behold, I have blessed him, and will make him fruitful, and will multiply him exceedingly; twelve princes shall he beget, and I will make him a great nation.

Why did the Lord bless Ishmael with fruitful \multiplying and great? In my opinion the Lord wants more people hear Him and He likes to hear more people.

Pray for the war of Simchat Torah. May miracles happen between Isaac and Ishmael.

Jipsah said:

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chevyontheriver said:

I just discovered this: Purism– Librem 14

It uses Coreboot, a project I have been following for a few years, which is a substitute for BIOS. Looks like a good option. But I won't buy one until my current laptop dies.

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I'm a Purism customer and have enjoyed most of the things I've gotten from them, but I would caution anyone looking into their products to do their due diligence first. There are usually quirks or compromises that have been made in the interest of privacy or security, and sometimes just as a manufacturing flaw, that you should be aware of. That said, the company is doing a lot of good work for promoting and developing free software through their products.

I honestly don't think Framework offers as much new to the laptop market as they say. Their "modules" are USB-C adapters in a bulky form factor. At least they focus on making their laptops easy to repair, but the availability of parts and the commitment to using screws instead of adhesive is about all they offer. It's not a "modular laptop." I would still recommend it to most people, just with the knowledge that its best quality is that it can be repaired instead of trashed if the power button goes bad, unlike many modern laptops that make the power button a key on a membrane keyboard plastic-welded to the case that will be impossible to replace 5 years after the manufacture date. Ask me how I know.

A more extreme, actually modular laptop would be the MNT Reform: MNT Research GmbH

This one has schematics available for all components, the CPU resides on a System-on-Module (PCB that plugs into the motherboard), and virtually every component uses free and open source software. It makes some serious compromises to be modular and to use free software, but for the enthusiast these aren't too much of a problem.

AV1611VET said:

You too, my friend!

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Thanks, bro. Also, to @sjastro , have a blessed night as well.