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What happens spiritually that makes us born again?

Yes, you are right that Jesus saves us "all at once". The "mechanism" that transforms us from lost to saved is that Jesus saves us (Rom 10:13). It is difficult to choose between spiritual baptism and spiritual birth as the specific means He employs to save us, but I don't think we need to choose between the two. We can see that receiving Jesus into our hearts is what it means to be born of God (Jn 1:12) and we can see that receiving Jesus into our hearts is what makes us baptized into Christ (Gal 3:27).

Spiritual baptism brings in the concepts of death because of sin but new life through resurrection from the dead (Rom 6:3). Spiritual birth brings in the concepts of being a new creation (2 Cor 5:17) and partaking of God's divine nature (2 Pet 1:4). But the end of both is the same -- being joined with the Lord and being one spirit with Him (1 Cor 6:17). Both concepts are valid, but they point to different aspects of the same event.
NLIChristJesus

Nice post. I think Peter answers that question. There is a placing into that saves (1Peter 3:21). Saves pertains to both the positional and the practical, or the legality of it and being born again. "Through the resurrection of Jesus Christ". Receiving the Holy Spirit indwelling by Jesus as a result of our faith is what places us in Him (1 Corinthians 12:13). The results of that spiritual union can be seen in (Romans 6:1-11, Colossians 2:9-14) to name a few. Being placed in Him also places us into His death, and we are then raised up with Him, born again, as a result of this placing into Him. Anything speaking of us being "in Christ, or "in Him" is speaking of that spiritual union which results from our being placed into Him. That placing into is summed up with the phrase 'baptism with the Holy Spirit'. Or the placing into [Christ Jesus] with the [indwelling of the] Holy Spirit. It's that spiritual union that saves us. When we become one with Jesus, we have all the things needed to save us from that spiritual union, including access to His death and resurrection so that we can also die and be raised with Him, born again, and we also receive the imputed righteousness of God (Romans 10:4), and His atonement applies.

Do you think us dying and being raised with Him is just a metaphor, or does this really happen spiritually? Like when Paul says in Galatians 2:20, "I have been crucified with Christ". Does He mean that literally?

Dave
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As Christians put more trust in AI, pastor warns of idolatry

Just over two years ago, when some pastors began experimenting with artificial intelligence to generate sermons, a majority of Christians didn't think the technology was good for the Church.

Fast-forward, and the use of AI has increased by 80% across all ministries in churches, and a growing number of people have been turning to apps like Text With Jesus for spiritual guidance.

While he doesn't see the use of AI by Christians as a threat to faith in God because "God is much bigger than AI," Pastor Ray Miller of First Baptist Church in Abilene, Texas, warns that the rapid adoption of the technology in the faith arena could become "another type of idol pulling at our attention."

"The interactivity that AI brings will feel more like a personal deity that seems all-knowing. When a company tries to sell you on texting with Jesus, I believe we have walked into dangerous, perhaps idolatrous waters," Miller told The Christian Post.

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Trump says he is pardoning Rep. Henry Cuellar, a Texas Democrat facing bribery charges

It looks like he was trying to buy loyalty, but it backfired. I'm not into voting for a criminal. It's looks like this world is becoming Trump's way only. If not you're branded as a evil person. That needs to be gone.
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Well, off we go

Somali American Republican Rebukes Trump's Xenophobic Attack: ‘My Children Are Not Garbage’

A Somali American living in Minnesota who voted for President Donald Trump in the 2024 election condemned the president’s latest xenophobic attacks against his people as federal authorities plan to launch a targeted immigration enforcement operation in his state.

“I’ve been a Republican for over 25 years. I’m not going to stop being a Republican, and now we are being called ‘garbage.’” said Mohamed Ahmed to CNN’s Whitney Wild.

“I got five children. My children are not garbage,” responded Ahmed, the Somali American Republican and Minnesota resident, to Trump. “We campaigned for you... We have hope in you. We see hope in you. Please differentiate between good, bad and evil.”

Face, meet leopard.
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Israel-Hamas Thread II

The Turkish government calls Trump's Gaza plan indispensable while ignoring its own role as a protective power for Islamist actors. The discrepancy between aspiration and reality is growing.

The latest warning from Turkish Foreign Minister Hakan Fidan that a failure of the US-backed Gaza initiative would be a ‘huge mistake’ for Washington and the world exemplifies the contradictory role Ankara has been playing for years. Ironically, a state that offers Hamas officials refuge, logistical support and a political platform is now presenting itself as a guarantor of stability. For Israel, this construct is difficult to comprehend and for many Western observers, increasingly questionable.

In the interview, Fidan emphasises that a functioning "Palestinian" civil administration, flanked by a police force that is ‘not Hamas,’ is crucial for the plan's progress. At the same time, he claims that the organisation is prepared to relinquish control of the Gaza Strip. Israel has seen for years how unreliable similar assurances have been in the past. Hamas has never voluntarily relinquished its power; it has consolidated it through repression, intimidation and violence.

The fact that Turkey is one of the loudest critics of Israeli military action and yet sometimes plays a key role in brokering ceasefires is part of this political double movement: moral distance on the outside, strategic self-interest on the inside.

Ankara has declared its willingness to participate in an international stabilisation force. Jerusalem clearly rejects this option. Israel's concern is understandable: a force coming from a country that has harboured Hamas politically and organisationally for years would not be a neutral player. Such a mission could instead create new areas of tension especially if Ankara interprets its mandate in line with its own regional ambitions.

President Donald Trump is visibly pushing ahead with the Gaza peace process himself. Ankara says there is no alternative to this path. But what matters is not Fidan's rhetoric, but whether Turkey is prepared to change the political conditions that have kept Hamas in a comfortable position for years. Words alone cannot create a new security architecture.

The fact that Fidan is simultaneously promising an early lifting of US sanctions over the S-400 deal and commenting on the war in Ukraine shows how broadly Ankara interprets its interests. This is legitimate but it explains why Israel views Turkey's role with caution. Turkey is not a hostile state, but an actor that always writes its own script, even when it claims to support someone else's.

For the Gaza plan, this means that only a realistic view of the regional balance of power will determine whether the second phase is actually achieved. And realism begins with not ignoring Ankara's dual role as a self-appointed mediator and, at the same time, a long-standing protective power for Islamist networks.
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Do other Christians have trouble making friends?

I get it... I've had seriously bad experiences with church and the people in them. What I decided on, is to count my blessings where they are. I may not have "friends" but I do have people that I can fellowship with. I have a high standard for friendship, so I can help others, be there for others, for the acquaintances that I do have while I pray and ask God to bring a friend into my life that he knows is good for me.

Ask God to lead and direct you to where you need to be that is fruitful to both your spiritual walk with him, and the people that he can surround you with. I think it helps that if you stop trying to figure it out and let God do all the heavy lifting by intersecting your path with someone that could be a friend, you can learn to appreciate the people in your life that you have now and it makes that journey a bit more peaceful. Just let God direct you.

Christ did not come for the righteous, but to call sinners to repentance. I think the desire for friendship is a good one.
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Harvard professor leaves US after arrest with pellet gun near synagogue, said he was hunting rats

BOSTON (AP) — A Harvard visiting law professor from Brazil who told police he was shooting at rats when he fired a pellet gun near a synagogue during Yom Kippur has left the United States after his visa was revoked, federal officials and his lawyer confirmed on Thursday.

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What happens if someone dies before they became a believer, is it their fault?

JohnB445 said:
What happens if someone dies before they became a believer, is it their fault?
Yes.

Dying and claiming we never knew of Him isn't going to cut it.

I know it sounds harsh, but I believe God gives us enough information in our lives to know Him, and to realize our need for repentance unto salvation (Psalm 19).
Romans 1:18-32

"20 For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse."
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Love codified in the Ten Commandments

I never said Paul's writing is not Scripture or inspired, but in the inspired Scripture we are warned about people twisting Paul's writings as they do the rest of Scripture to their own destruction. Paul in the inspired writings is still not God or above His words. No one is. So if we are using Paul's writings against God's own promises, I personally would be concerned about the warning.

The New Covenant has been addressed so many times about what God placed in the hearts of His New Covenant believers- His Laws- only God can define them, not us and He did written and spoken by God Exo31:18 that Jesus not to destroy Mat5:17 but to fulfill or magnify Isa 42:21 which means make greater not smaller as most teach as if Jesus failed. He promised not to edit His words Deut4:13 Psa89:34 Mat 5:18-19, I am going to stick with what He said James2:11. . Why its still a sin to break God's Laws 1John3:4 James2:11 because man is not God, nor will they ever be. We can't make something perfect written by the Holy Spirit more perfect Psa19:7 Rom7:12 the issue will always be man, not the Law of God. We can rebel Rom8:7-8 that's always a choice or we can keep them and trust God knows what He is doing Exo20:6 John14:15. Life is about choices and our choices comes with consequences Rom6:16 that one day cannot be changed Rev22:11
No one here is putting Paul “above God.” 2 Peter 3:15–16 simply means that Paul’s writings must be treated as God’s word, and therefore they cannot be dismissed when they describe a real covenant change. Accepting Paul as Scripture is submitting to God’s voice.

The challenge is that you keep assuming “God’s law” = “the Ten Commandments unchanged,” but the New Testament never says that. Hebrews 8 never lists the 10, never mentions the Sabbath, and never says the Sinai code becomes the New Covenant law. It says the old covenant (defined in Deut 4:13 as the Ten Commandments) is obsolete and passing away (Heb 8:13).

That’s not rebellion—that’s Scripture.
Jesus fulfilling the law (Matt 5:17) doesn’t mean preserving the Sinai covenant unchanged. Fulfill in Matthew means bring to completion, not “freeze permanently.” That’s why Hebrews, Paul, and Jesus Himself all speak of a covenant transition—not a cancellation of morality, but a change of covenant administration.

1 John 3:4 and James 2 don’t say “the Ten Commandments are the New Covenant law.” They say sin is lawlessness—not “sin is violating Sinai.” John actually defines God’s New Covenant commandments as faith in Christ + love (1 John 3:23). The NT consistently calls Christians to obey Christ, walk by the Spirit, and fulfill the law through love—not return to a covenant God Himself says is finished.

We can leave it here, but the core point stands: Honoring God’s promises means honoring the covenant change He Himself declares—through Jesus, through Paul, and through Hebrews—not assuming Sinai continues unchanged.
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Please pray that Canadian politician vote to uphold Freedom of Religious expression :

Please pray that Canadian politician vote to uphold Freedom of Religious expression :


Conservative Marc Theissen column: Trump built a winning coalition. White nationalists will destroy it.

Civil war underway as GOP struggles to 'expel the lunatics': analysis

“One faction, led by Jewish conservatives and Christian Zionists like Senator Ted Cruz of Texas, accuses Roberts [Heritage] of coddling an antisemite [Fuentes]. Another prefers a ‘no enemies to the right’ approach, which mirrors the language that Roberts used in his video,” reports Jones. “There have been prominent resignations, a contentious town hall at Heritage, and denunciations of various sorts. Throughout it all, the groypers cavort. The Establishment right, which they despise, may be ripe for implosion at last.”

Jones said the Roberts video arrived at a contentious moment for American conservatives. The post-Trump trajectory of the right “is not yet assured, and the movement is consumed by questions of succession, ideology, and strategy.”

“To many, like Roberts, the furthest-right fringe is more palatable than liberalism or the neoconservatism that preceded the Obama years. Only an alliance of the most radical tendencies on the right can transform the nation for decades to come, or so the logic goes,” she wrote.

“The boundaries that he set forth, William Buckley, in the early 1960s, were twofold,” [conservative scholar] Rector said. “You have to expunge all antisemitism, all of it. But that’s just part of it … the other is you have to expel the lunatics.”

“... Yet the right’s eternal patience with antisemitism, and all other forms of racism and misogyny and queer hatred, are precisely what brought us here,” said Jones. “And so, despite all the heat, the board of Heritage is siding with Roberts for now.”
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Trump's Big Beautiful.....Gold Ballroom

Thank you for your attention to this stupid and nasty-gram!​

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“Under budget and ahead of schedule” but cost estimates are already 100 mil over and project has to start over with a new architect. At least he has more donors in line willing to buy his influence.
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Consumer Prices Will Go Down From Day One? Will Gas Prices Go Down 50% Within A Year?

'People aren't dumb': Republicans worry they're not doing enough on affordability

Republican lawmakers, aides and strategists tell NBC News they worry that high prices and their party’s poor messaging on affordability could cost them in the midterms.

Nearly two dozen Republican senators, House members, strategists and congressional aides shared their concerns about their party’s handling of affordability in interviews with NBC News. Another six acknowledged the issue but said the party will settle on the right strategy to address it.

Their comments come after Democrats have secured wins in many of this year’s elections, with voters citing economic concerns, and as Trump has dismissed the issue as a Democratic “hoax,” rhetoric that has privately frustrated some Republicans.

“People aren’t dumb,” Hawley said. “They know when they go to the grocery store what it costs and what it doesn’t. They know what their rent costs. They know what their prescription drugs cost. And all of that stuff is too high. And they can’t afford it. And they know that. So we’ve got to deliver.”

Pressed by NBC News on whether Republicans are doing enough to address affordability concerns among Americans, Speaker Mike Johnson said his message to everybody is to “relax.”
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Isaiah 19 temple in Egypt, Maccabees, Elephantine papyri

Isaiah in the 700s BC says

ch 19: 19 In that day there will be an altar to the Lord in the heart of Egypt, and a monument to the Lord at its border. 20 It will be a sign and witness to the Lord Almighty in the land of Egypt.
The elephantine papyri discovered in Egypt, and dated to 408 BC says the Judean temple in Egypt on the island of Elephantine was destroyed about 410 BC (the 14th year of Darius). So the temple was built sometime after that prophecy in Isaiah then eventually destroyed
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Letter from the Jews of Elephantine (Formatted Transcript)

To our lord
Bagavahya,
governor of Judah,
your servants Jedaniah
and his colleagues the priests
who are in Elephantine the fortress.

The welfare of our lord
may the God of Heaven seek after abundantly at all times,
and favor may He grant you before Darius the king
and the princes
more than now a thousand times,
and long life may He give you,
and happy and strong may you be at all times.

Report

Now, your servant Jedaniah and his colleagues thus say:

Plot

In the month of Tammuz, year 14 of Darius the king,
when Arsames had departed and gone to the king,
the priests of Khnum who are in Elephantine the fortress,
in agreement with Vidranga who was Chief here,
(said), saying:

“The Temple of YHW the God which is in Elephantine the fortress—
let them remove it from there.”

Afterwards, that Vidranga, the wicked,
a letter sent to Naphaina his son,
who was Troop Commander in Syene the fortress,
saying:

“The Temple which is in Elephantine the fortress—let them demolish.”

Afterwards, Naphaina led the Egyptians with the other troops.
They came to the fortress of Elephantine with their implements,
broke into that Temple, demolished it to the ground,
and the pillars of stone which were there—they smashed.

Moreover, it happened that the gateways of stone,
built of hewn stone,
which were in that Temple, they demolished.
And their standing doors, and the hinges of those doors, of bronze,
and the roof of wood of cedar—
all of these, with the rest of the fittings and other things which were there—
all of these with fire they burned.

But the basins of gold and silver
and the other things which were in that Temple—
all of these took and made their own.

Precedents

And from the days of the king(s) of Egypt
our fathers had built that Temple in Elephantine the fortress
and when Cambyses entered Egypt—
that Temple, built, he found it.
And the temples of the gods of Egypt, all of them, they overthrew,
but anything in that Temple one did not damage.

And when this had been done to us,
we with our wives and our children
sackcloth were wearing
and fasting and praying to YHW the Lord of Heaven
who let us gloat over that Vidranga, the cur.
They removed the fetter from his feet
and all goods which he had acquired were lost.
And all persons who sought evil for that Temple,
all of them were killed and we gazed upon them.

Moreover, before this, at the time that this evil was done to us,
a letter we sent to our lord,
and to Jehohanan the High Priest and his colleagues the priests
who are in Jerusalem,
and to Ostares brother of Anani
and the nobles of the Jews.
A letter they did not send us.

Moreover, from the month of Tammuz, year 14 of Darius the king
and until this day,
we, sackcloth are wearing and are fasting;
the wives of ours as widow(s) are made;
(with) oil we do not anoint ourselves,
and wine do not drink.

Moreover, from that time and until this day,
year 17 of Darius the king,
meal-offering and incense and burnt-offering
they did not make in that Temple.

Petition

Now, your servants Jedaniah and his colleagues
and the Jews, all of them citizens of Elephantine,
thus say:

If to our lord it is good,
take thought of that Temple to rebuild—
since they do not let us rebuild it.

Regard your obliges and your friends here in Egypt.
May a letter from you be sent to them
about the Temple of YHW the God
to rebuild it in Elephantine the fortress
just as it had been built formerly.

And the meal-offering and the incense and the burnt-offering
they will offer on the altar of YHW the God in your name
and we shall pray for you at all times—
we and our wives and our children
and the Jews, all of them who are here.

If thus they do until that Temple be rebuilt,
a merit you will have before YHW the God of Heaven
more than a person who will offer Him burnt-offering and sacrifices
whose worth is as the worth of silver, 1 thousand talents,
and about gold.

About this we have sent and informed you.

Moreover, all these things in a letter
we sent to Jehohanan and Shelemiah
sons of Sanballat governor of Samaria.

Moreover, about this which was done to us
Arsames did not know.


Josephus also mentions a Judean temple built in Egypt at a different time
Josephus
Judean wars book 7 chapter 10

2. Now Lupus did then govern Alexandria. Who presently sent Cæsar word of this commotion. Who having in suspicion the restless temper of the Jews for innovation, and being afraid lest they should get together again, and persuade some others to join with them, gave orders to Lupus to demolish that Jewish temple which was in the region called Onion, and was in Egypt. (18) Which was built, and had its denomination from the occasion following. Onias, the son of Simon, one of the Jewish High-priests, fled from Antiochus, the King of Syria, when he made war with the Jews, and came to Alexandria. And as Ptolemy received him very kindly, on account of his hatred to Antiochus, he assured him, that if he would comply with his proposal, he would bring all the Jews to his assistance. And when the King agreed to do it, so far as he was able; he desired him to give him leave to build a temple somewhere in Egypt, and to worship God according to the customs of his own country. For that the Jews would then be so much readier to fight against Antiochus, who had laid waste the temple at Jerusalem; and that they would then come to him with greater good will; and that by granting them liberty of conscience, very many of them would come over to him.

3. So Ptolemy complied with his proposals; and gave him a place one hundred and eighty furlongs distant from Memphis. (19) That Nomos was called the Nomos of Heliopolis. Where Onias built a fortress; and a temple, not like to that at Jerusalem, but such as resembled a tower. He built it of large stones, to the height of sixty cubits.27 He made the structure of the altar in imitation of that in our own country, and in like manner adorned with gifts: excepting the make of the candlestick. For he did not make a candlestick; but had a [single] lamp hammered out of a piece of gold; which illuminated the place with its rays, and which he hung by a chain of gold. But the intire temple was encompassed with a wall of burnt brick, though it had gates of stone. The King also gave him a large country for a revenue in money; that both the priests might have a plentiful provision made for them; and that God might have great abundance of what things were necessary for his worship. Yet did not Onias do this out of a sober disposition.28 But he had a mind to contend with the Jews at Jerusalem; and could not forget the indignation he had for being banished thence. Accordingly he thought, that by building this temple he should draw away a great number from them to himself. There had been also a certain ancient prediction made by [a prophet] whose name was Isaiah, about six hundred years before, that this temple should be built by a man that was a Jew in Egypt. And this is the history of the building of that temple. 4. And now Lupus, the governor of Alexandria, upon the receipt of Cæsar’s letter, came to the temple, and carried out of it some of the donations dedicated thereto, and shut up the temple itself. And as Lupus died a little afterward [about A.D. 75], Paulinus succeeded him. This man left none of those donations there: and threatened the priests severely, if they did not bring them all out. Nor did he permit any who were desirous of worshipping God there, so much as to come near the whole sacred place. But when he had shut up the gates, he made it intirely inaccessible: insomuch that there remained no longer the least footsteps of any divine worship that had been in that place. Now the duration of the time from the building of this temple till it was shut up again was three hundred and forty-three years.29

343 years is wrong. If it was built in the 160s BC, and stopped functioning 75 AD that is about 234 years. Josephus thought it fulfilled the Isaiah 19 prophecy. Maybe the Isaiah 19 prophecy was a double prophecy about both temples...

At the end of Zechariah (515 BC) 14 it says

17 If any of the peoples of the earth do not go up to Jerusalem to worship the King, the Lord Almighty, they will have no rain. 18 If the Egyptian people do not go up and take part, they will have no rain. The Lord[b] will bring on them the plague he inflicts on the nations that do not go up to celebrate the Festival of Tabernacles. 19 This will be the punishment of Egypt and the punishment of all the nations that do not go up to celebrate the Festival of Tabernacles.
20 On that day holy to the Lord will be inscribed on the bells of the horses, and the cooking pots in the Lord’s house will be like the sacred bowls in front of the altar. 21 Every pot in Jerusalem and Judah will be holy to the Lord Almighty, and all who come to sacrifice will take some of the pots and cook in them. And on that day there will no longer be a Canaanite[c] in the house of the Lord Almighty.

About half of the events in Zech 14 can be shown to of happened past tense in 1/2 Maccabees in the 160s BC- looting lots of gold, silver, and other treasures, half being killed half not killed, fleeing to the mountains, lots of angels fighting with the Israelites, Antiochus flesh rots, and worms eat him, they burn their enemies alive so their flesh melts, rebuilding the walls. The MT of Olives part is not mentioned past tense but it must of happened in that time frame, and closed back up after. The bit at the end about the Egyptians is only about the Judean Egyptians not the non Judean Egyptians which makes sense in context of the Judean temple in Egypt Josephus talks about. Or it was about all Egyptians not sure. If it was all of them I don't think it was recorded anywhere.

Zech 14 says You will flee by my mountain valley, for it will extend to Azel. You will flee as you fled from the earthquake[a] in the days of Uzziah king of Judah.

The you was the Israelites that all lived in Jerusalem near the Mt of Olives. They had ancestors that fled the earthquake hundreds of years prior. The Israelites religion was a Judah based religion centered around a temple, and that religion ceased to exist 30-70 AD, and will never come back again so the very latest the prophecy could of been fulfilled was 70 AD. It was not about Jesus, and will never happen again.

Josephus on the earthquake

Josephus: Antiquities of the Jews 9:10:4​

While Uzziah was in this state and making preparations (for futurity), he was corrupted in his mind by pride, and became insolent, and this on account of that abundance which he had of things that will soon perish, and despised that power which is of eternal duration (which consisted in piety towards god, and in the observation of his laws); so he fell by occasion of the good success of his affairs, and was carried headlong into those sins of his father, which the splendour of that prosperity he enjoyed, and the glorious actions he had done, led him into, while he was not able to govern himself well about them. Accordingly, when a remarkable day was come, and a general festival was to be celebrated, he put on the holy garment, and went into the temple to offer incense to God upon the golden altar, which he was prohibited to do by Azariah the high priest, who had fourscore priests with him, and who told him that it was not lawful for him to offer sacrifice, and that "none besides the posterity of Aaron were permitted so to do." And when they cried out, that he must go out of the temple, and not transgress against God, he was wroth at them, and threatened to kill them, unless they would hold their peace. In the meantime, a great earthquake shook the ground, and a rent was made in the temple, and the bright rays of the sun shone through it, and fell upon the king's face, insomuch that the leprosy seized upon him immediately; and before the city, at a place called Eroge, half the mountain broke off from the rest on the west, and rolled itself four furlongs, and stood still at the east mountain, till the roads, as well as the king's garden, were spoiled by the obstruction. Now as soon as the priest saw that the king's face was infected with the leprosy, they told him of the calamity he was under, and commanded that he should go out of the city as a polluted person. Hereupon he was so confounded at the sad distemper, and sensible that he was not at liberty to contradict, that he did as he was commanded, and underwent this miserable and terrible punishment for an intention beyond what befitted a man to have, and for that impiety against God which was implied therein. So he abode out of the city for some time, and lived a private life, while his son Jotham took the government; after which he died with grief and anxiety at what had happened to him, when he had lived sixty-eight years, and reigned of them fifty-two; and was buried by himself in his own gardens.

Why do people hate ICE...

Three-year-old child forced to serve as her own attorney in Tucson immigration court

The child, barely old enough to talk, was one of 25 immigrant children forced to fight removal efforts by the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) at the Pima County immigration courthouse in Tucson on Nov. 24.

Judge Feldman [postponed] her next hearing to March 2026 [to allow the toddler time to find and retain an attorney].

At Lucy’s first hearing in August, an attorney with FIRRP explained that despite a desire to assist the child, the nonprofit lost most of their federal funding in March after the Trump administration terminated contracts. As a result of the funding cuts, the group is unable to take on new clients despite continued demand for their legal services.

Judges typically allow young respondents additional time to find legal counsel,

But hiring an attorney is expensive, and even older children of working age cannot work without a proper work authorization. As a result, many of these children, who are already constrained by living in a shelter, do not have the money to hire an immigration attorney

As a result, the children often have to fend for themselves, or hope already-stretched thin nonprofits will fill in the gaps.

Others, like Lucy, are too young to understand what’s going on in the first place, which results in the absurd theater of a three-year-old defending themselves in court.
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Etymology of bible words jew, jewish, gentile, judaism

I was just looking at that. That part is a letter from the Spartans to the Jews. Basically they are sucking up to the Jews to make a political alliance. Jews write back in the same chapter calling the Spartans their brothers. Or maybe they were not sucking up maybe they were physically descended from Abraham based on this here saying the Spartans believed they came from Heracles / Hercules


and Josephus saying Hercules was a descendent of Abraham

The Antiquities of the Jews, 1.240–1.241​

Flavius Josephus translated by William Whiston
240And indeed Alexander Polyhistor gives his attestation to what I here say; who speaks thus: “Cleodemus the prophet, who was also called Malchus, who wrote a History of the Jews, in agreement with the History of Moses, their legislator, relates, that there were many sons born to Abraham by Keturah: 241nay, he names three of them, Apher, and Surim, and Japhran. That from Surim was the land of Assyria denominated; and that from the other two, Apher and Japbran, the country of Africa took its name, because these men were auxiliaries to Hercules, when he fought against Libya and Antaeus; and that Hercules married Aphra’s daughter, and of her he begat a son, Diodorus; and that Sophon was his son, from whom that barbarous people called Sophacians were denominated.”

But the Spartans did not circumcize which was the sign of the Abrahamic covenant in Genesis so if they were descended from Abraham it is strange they did not follow that custom.

No, it’s not actually strange. Galatians 5.

Also,




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The rise of menace as a mainstream political tool

Threats pile up as Indiana Republicans confront pressure from Trump on redistricting

[It's up to a dozen, now]

It’s a bewildering and frightening experience for lawmakers who consider themselves loyal party members and never imagined they would be doing their jobs under the same shadow of violence that has darkened American political life in recent years.

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A Christian being friends with a non-believer with a lying problem

There can be a spectrum in what one calls a "friend". Obviously trust is inversely proportional with lying. However, if one asks the person if he is aware of his lying and if he is is he interested in working on fixing it, you might offer to help him work on it.
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Relative of Trump Press Secretary taken by ICE

Mom of Karoline Leavitt’s Nephew Speaks Out After Her ICE Arrest

In an interview with The Washington Post, published Sunday, Bruna Ferreira called the White House’s depiction of her as an absentee mother “disgusting,” and said she "made a mistake" in trusting Leavitt [over her only sister] to be her son's godmother.

Ferreira is a Brazilian national who traveled to the U.S. legally at the age of 6 and previously held Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals status.

Since [the arrest], the White House has depicted the 33-year-old—her relationship with her son, the press secretary and the broader Leavitt family—in a way that sharply contrasts with her own account.

In a recent interview with Newsweek, Ferreira’s attorney Todd Pomerleau said that his client has no criminal record and maintains close ties to the Leavitt family, contrary to the administration’s portrayal.

A spokesperson for the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) previously told Newsweek that Ferreira had an arrest for battery on her record, and in a statement to CNN, the DHS called Ferreira a “criminal illegal alien from Brazil.”
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Do you keep the Sabbath? (poll)

Since the begining there has always been law.

Well certainly not the Levitical Priesthood Law God gave on Mt. Sinai, because of Transgressions. It didn't exist in the beginning. Levi wasn't even born until centuries after Abraham. God's Grace existed, man's Faith existed, God's definition of Sin existed. But the Priesthood Covenant God made with Levi, because of Transgressions, added 430 years after Abraham, didn't exist in the beginning.

Why would a man, who professed to know God, choose to refuse to accept or even acknowledge this simple and undeniable Biblical Fact?

That does not mean that the Sinai Covenant reached back to the beginning,

That is the point of Paul's teaching in Gal. 3. The "LAW" Abraham didn't have, that the Pharisees were still promoting, that was ADDED "Because of Transgression" and was only to be in place, Till the High Priest, "After the Order of Melchizedek should come", didn't reach back to Abraham's time. Abraham was justified of his sin, "Apart" from this Law. The Pharisees were trying to force the Galatians, and the Gentiles in Acts to come to them, Priests in the Temple, for the remission of sins, as per this LAW.

I have asked you before and you refused to answer. But I'll ask again, maybe this time you will answer.

This "ADDED" Law Paul speaks to, what was it ADDED to? And this LAW that was added, "because of transgressions", transgressions of what?

ant that doesn't mean that mankind today is subject to all of the previous laws.

Certainly man was not under all the previous Laws of the Levitical Priesthood Law for the remission of Sins, that Abraham wasn't under, that wasn't even added until 430 years after Abraham, and was Prophesied to end at the coming of Gods Prophesied High Priest, "After the Order of Melchizedek".

The mainstream preachers of Paul's Time was still promoting it, as they rejected this Prophesied Messiah, and murdered Him. But truly it was not God's Intent for this Priesthood Law to stay the same forever. I was intended to lead men to the True Lamb of God, as it did for Zacharias, David, Simeon, Anna and the Wise men. Even Abraham saw the Day of Jesus, and was glad.

Gen. 22: 7 And Isaac spake unto Abraham his father, and said, My father: and he said, Here am I, my son. And he said, Behold the fire and the wood: but where is the lamb for a burnt offering? 8 And Abraham said, My son, God will provide himself a lamb for a burnt offering: so they went both of them together.

Jesus gave mankind a New and better Covenant. Every human being is under the new covenant because Jesus fulfilled the old one. The question I have for you who claims to be under the Law, how do you go about picking some laws and culling others?

Yes, Jesus is a High Priest of a New and better Priesthood Covenant for the remission of sins, not like the Priesthood Covenant God made with Levi on Mt. Sinai. I'm happy to discuss Gods Laws you preach to others I am "culling", but please be more specific.

in other words who has given you permission to avoid parts of the all the covenants God has ever placed on

Like I said, I am happy to discuss the parts of God's Laws you accuse me of avoiding. But you will have to be more specific in your accusations towards me.

Not that that is wrong I never pointed it out. There is no need to. Did Adam have a law prohibiting his son for taking his daughter.

Gen. 6: 1 And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them, 2 That the "sons of God" saw the "daughters of men" that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.

I only know what God chose to reveal to men in Scriptures. I am not foolish enough to believe I am privy to every Word God Spoke, or that I know or have been given perfect knowledge of all of his creation, since I only "know in part". Since I'm not here to justify a dislike and rejection of some of God's Laws, I'm not inclined to accuse or assume Abel sinned against God or that Noah was the product of human inbreeding.

You are free to make whatever judgments of God and His Word that you want, after the imagination of your own heart. You certainly wouldn't be the first.

I do know that Noah's sons knew it was a sin to look on the Nakedness of their father, and that one son, Ham, just like you, didn't like God's Law telling him what to look at and what not to look at. But his other two sons respected God in this matter. I believe it is because they chose to honor and humble themselves to God, while Ham chose to dishonor God choosing instead to satisfy the Lusts of his own flesh. This was also done by Eve, who didn't like God's Law telling her what to eat, or Cain who didn't like God's Law showing him how to treat his brother, or Sodom who didn't like God's Law defining His Righteousness that HE showed them, or the Children of Israel who despised God's Judgments and didn't Like God's Law telling them what day was Holy, or the Pharisees who didn't like God's Commandments so they created and promoted commandments of men.

And now here you are, trying to justify yourself "because" you don't like Gods Law telling you what to eat, or His Laws telling you what to look at, or His Laws telling you how to treat your brother, of His Laws defining God's righteousness, or His Laws telling you what days are to be Holy to you, or His Commandments, and you have created your own commandments.

This is "the course of this World", and we all have walked in it. We are supposed to repent from this evil behavior, as defined by God, and be renewed in the spirit of our mind, and "put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness.

The old self "that doesn't like to be told by God what to", crucified with Christ, replaced by a New Man who Yields himself to God, and his body as instruments of God's Righteousness. Who strives to be perfect, even as his Father in heaven is perfect, who delights in God's Laws.

Hard to do when you judge God's instruction in righteousness as unworthy of your honor and respect.

The rest of your post deserves attention, if nothing more than for mere courtesy. I'll deal with it in another post.
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