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Trump Takes Action Against Nigeria for Ongoing Persecution of Christians

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DOGE NEWS


apparently the claims are satire.
As your source indicates, clever Donald's post is real.
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Deal To End Shutdown Lets GOP Senators Sue Biden’s DOJ For J6


We will see how the country reacts as more information is forthcoming.
Public opinion is largely meaningless when it comes to impeachment. Or do you think that President Trump should be impeached too? After all 52% of Americans support the idea (at least back in April - it may be higher now): https://freespeechforpeople.org/wp-...americans-support-impeachment-rc-aso-memo.pdf
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Fr. Josiah On Pornography, and Nick Fuentes

First, I still have a lot of respect for Shapiro,...
I do too. And when he was doing the college speaking years ago, I think he was excellent for conservatism. The perfect guy for that time.
...but I think he mislead me a bit, and this in two ways.
I wouldn't be surprised. There are things to dislike about him. He can be...um...what's the word...can't say "shifty", can't say "crafty"... okay - disingenuous. The Dice video below is cued. Shapiro asks for money to help "children", never telling the listeners that 100% of donations go to help Jewish kids and families exclusively. I've double-checked what Dice says, and it's true. And Shapiro may or may not be directly involved with one or both charities. It's murky.

Imagine if I had a show and used it to get money that I gave to white kids only, or to Christian kids only, but you know, didn't think to mention that.

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First, much of what is being said about Tucker strikes me as true, but after watching the whole interview I can see that Tucker was disagreeing with Fuentes, albeit very gently. This means that charges of "ideological laundering" pure and simple are not quite accurate.
It's possible Tucker didn't want to disagree with him sharply for the reason I gave a couple of posts above. Nick is good, and perhaps Tucker didn't want to be getting shown up on his large platform? But that's just speculation.
Second, Fuentes is not as bad as I thought he was after I watched Shapiro's initial video. Resentment and anger seem to drive much of what he does, but he is at the same time intelligent, thoughtful, argument-based, and capable of self-reflection. For example, this is a surprising video.
That sort of forceful, emotional speech he makes near the beginning - I'd never heard that before. And it sounds like he's acting. In real life he's almost always smiling and happy and lighthearted even when discussing what he's been put through.
At the same time, I think Fuentes' rhetoric is problematic, I think there is an affective problem (particularly with anger and resentment, albeit for legitimate injustices), and I think there are logical problems, including theologically,
Theologically. I've heard him say a few quirky things about his catholicism which I think are flat out wrong. But that's between you and him. ;)
I don't have time for the whole video. I found a little about Nick in the part where they're talking about Tucker. Is there anything else?
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Obama referred to DOJ for criminal charges

Say what they want. But their opinions have no more weight than those of an illegal immigrant.
I'm almost encouraged that you didn't denigrate the unauthorized immigrant to a lower level.
We are American citizens.
Cool, so am I. It's not that hard to accomplish. All you need is to be born in the US or have a US born parent bring you back home after birth abroad. I manged one of those on my first breath.
My family has been here since 1620.
And so has mine... no wait it hasn't. We're much more recent arrivals. Does that matter? VP Vance thinks it does.
I have people in the Revolution, the Civil War, WW1, WW2, Korea, VN, and the Gulf War. We have blood in this matter.
Yes, but did they fight for the right side (the US side) during the Slaveholder's rebellion? (I'll give you one guess in my case.)
My family has 250 years of blood, sweat, and tears. We cut down the trees, plowed the land, and picked up weapons when called up. We have been paying taxes since the nation was started.
Anyone that owns property here or comes on a temporary visa pays taxes. Do their views count now?
Foreigners can say anything they want. But their words really do not weigh beyond a logical position. Fine. They do not have any say in where that money goes. They have no say in who our leaders are. They have no say in our laws, our constitution, or the fate of our children. I assume they have problems in their own countries that need attending to.
One of the values of the outsiders perpective is that they *don't* have a say. They don't have to worry about if their taxes will go up or a policy will cost their jobs. They can evaluate without being influenced by how a choice will impact them directly.
They have a say there. Not here.
I do not ignore their opinions... I just wonder why they care what happens in my country?
If you don't understand the role the US plays in global everything, I can't help you. You should have learned that already.
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DOGE wants to Make Aliens Great Again: Increase Visas to bring in Skilled Foreign Workers to Take Lucrative Jobs from Mediocre Americans

I'm glad President Trump is finally expressing what conservatives, liberals, Republicans, and Democrats have been saying for the past 50 years.

Thank you, Mr. President. Please simplify the H-1B visa process, pursue comprehensive immigration reform, and make America great again.
Has the $100k fee been rescinded?
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US has struck three Iranian nuclear sites, Trump says

UN watchdog unable to verify Iran's stockpile of near-weapons grade uranium in months

The confidential report also said that Iran has still not granted the International Atomic Energy Agency access to sites affected by the war.
Why should they? The president of the United States testified that they've been destroyed.
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Did the early church worship on Sabbath?

There are the commandments besides those that were written by the finger of God, after God spoke those ones audibly. Many other things commanded, being subject to the ten, are of the shadows which involve the priesthood, the sacrifices, and the ways to be made clean, which we have Christ for in the new covenant, and the civil law, which is not up to the Christian believers. And what we can be obedient in with it being in Christ we can do.

Sorry, I'm not following :heart:


Are you saying the commandments don't change except for the ones that are the civil law? Or any other commandment that we can't keep in Christ?

Everything of the law is subject to what was written in stone by the finger of God after God spoke those things, including the priesthood, the sacrifices, the ways to be me made clean in the rituals all of which were shadows in the old covenant that Christ is revealed to be in the new covenant, penalties in civil law are shadows of justice from God, which Christ bore for the redeemed, the ones with repentant faith that came, and those with that who will come, to Christ, and be restored to God. What to do right in that is still what is right to do, in the new covenant that was prophesied this would be from the heart, that is the essential change. Everything before God is to involve living justly, loving mercy, and walking humbly with God.
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Woman calling churches

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This thread is permanently closed.​

Flaming, goading, and attacking your fellow Christians is not how to address this subject. As all the arguments presented here have led to that, all of them are wrong.

Flaming churches for using discernment over the phone is not really a good way to discuss this, and led to flaming those who disagreed with your flaming of a church. Churches need to know where a person is and what spiritual condition they are in in order to best help the person. They cannot give out cash in America because someone could lie to them and use the cash to buy illegal drugs. For these reasons, churches will help you if you show up in person, not over the phone. They need to get to know you before they can help, but they do help. Many churches in my area stock gift cards to give out to people in need and have benevolence funds to help Christians in their congregation who are struggling. Considering these facts may help you build a more rule-following discussion around these issues in the future that is more fair to churches and your fellow Christians here at CF.

In certain areas churches may be strapped for resources, but they should refer people to community resources that can help them instead of just refusing to help. Churches who do these referrals should not be shamed or blamed, as that leads to the more extreme flaming that we saw here.​

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What is the meaning of Total Depravity?

Death of the soul is a metaphor historically used for the same concept- for that which happens when one is separated from God. And that's the point. So are you denying that man is born dead metaphorically, while truly dead to God, and must be born again?
I don't traffic in human metaphors for Biblically-stated truth.
Metaphors contain untruth and are problematic for Biblical concepts.

"Spiritual death" is the absence of eternal life within the humn immortal spirit, it is not "death of the soul."
Spiritual death does not mean current physical death, nor death of the human immortal spirit.
Most of living mankind is in spiritual death; i.e. no eternal (God's) life within their immortal human spirits.
A distinction without much of a difference.
You make no distinction between physical death and spiritual death, seemingly treating them in the same way.
They are not the same thing, and do not have the same consequences.

1) The human spirit is immortal and does not die.
2) Spiritual death is not death of the immortal human spirit, it is the absence of eternal life within the immortal human spirit.
3) Spiritual death is not physical death.
4) Physical death is death of the physical body.
How is imputing sin to anyone who isn't guilty of it any different-or better- or more just?
Well, man does not inherit sin (Eze 18:20).
Adam's sin is imputed by God, it being the pattern (Ro 5:14) for God's imputation of Christ's righteousness (Ro 5:18-19).
You don't quite seem to get it. All fell with Adam and so all share the same fate and consequences. All are equally dead.
All need to be born again in order to live.
Do all need to be born again to have physical life?
They do not. . .

Rebirth (Jn 3:3-8) refers to eternal (God's) life within one's immortal spirit.
Rebirth does not refer to physical life.

Eternal life in the human spirit is not required for physical life.
One does not need to be spritually born again in order to be physically alive.
Why, would you speculate, do all of Adam's descendants inevitably sin?
there's something more wrong with them than imputed sin.
Indeed. . .there is there nature, which makes them objects of God's wrath (Eph 2:3).

Adam's sin imputed to all mankind does not cause them to sin.
It simply counts them as guilty of Adam's sin and subject to its condemnation, it being the pattern (Ro 5:14) for the imputation of Christ's righteousness (Ro 5:18-19).
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Pope Leo Declares Jesus Alone Saved the World. Mary No Longer Called Co-Redemptrix.

It's not about "the Protestant denominations," it's about the word of God in Scripture.

The rejection of a non-Scriptural doctrine (Co-Redemptrix) puts one in agreement with the God-breathed (theopnuestos, 2 Tim 3:16) word of God written.
Well, as you saw from King Charles the 'head' of the Anglican church, they are all turning and following after the entity that prophecy said would happen.
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TRUMP "MISSED THE DEADLINE" TO CALL OFF TX GERRYMANDERING; CALIFORNIA WILL NOW DRAW NEW, MORE “BEAUTIFUL MAPS”

Well of course it would have to include people otherwise who would vote to the candidates? Hey look i didnt say my idea was perfect. It would need some tweeks somehow, but it would stop gerry mandering and make things more even. Maybe something along the lines of a gride and the grids would have to have so many people per square mile based on total population. Just brain storming. Some portions of the grid would be bigger while others would be smaller. If you have 20 representatives then you get 20 grids. And each of those grids have to have the same amount of people in them. Squares or rectangles. Like an excel spread sheet.
Ah I see. I had thought you were suggesting giving each representative equal square miles regardless of population.

There's a lot to consider in devising fair and meaningful districts, I think. Squares seem to divide communities or regions completely arbitrarily. I'd want to see how the current non partisan commissions do it in places like, recently, CA. before concocting my own notions.
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Pray that Jesus Christ leads Christian pastor, priests, & all people in Christian ministries to Denounce the use of AI technology as a significant oth

Gracious Heavenly Father,
Help Your children to avoid using technology to replace You. Do not Your people have the Holy Spirit, and not machines? Help us to guard marriage in Your strength and power. Guide the leaders over the church to recognize the same.
In Christ’s Name,
Amen
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LA Forbids Public Health Workers from Promoting COVID, Flu, and Mpox Vaccines

In neighboring Texas...

Whooping cough cases skyrocket in Texas, quadrupling last year's numbers

The state has reported more than 3,500 cases this year. This is the second year that Texas has experienced high increases in whooping cough cases.

Nationally, whooping cough cases have been higher in the past two years than levels seen in prior years and pre-pandemic.

The higher numbers of cases in recent years come as vaccination rates [nationally] for whooping cough have steadily dropped
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Ohio city to allow live Nativity scene at farmers market after initial rejection

A city in Ohio has reversed course and decided to allow a local resident to display a live Nativity scene at a winter farmers market on public property.

Susan Conley had asked to include the Christmas display at a farmers market scheduled to be held next month at the city of Pataskala’s Veterans Green Park.

Although officials had initially rejected the request to display a Nativity scene, Pataskala officials later reversed their decision following a complaint letter from attorneys with Jones Day and First Liberty Institute (FLI).

FLI Senior Counsel Nate Kellum said in a statement shared with The Christian Post on Tuesday that the city should never have refused to allow the live Nativity in the first place.

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Trans-identified ex-state lawmaker facing 30 years in prison for child porn possession

Editor's Note: This article contains descriptions of child sexual exploitation and child sex abuse that some readers will find disturbing.

The first openly trans-identifying lawmaker in the nation has pleaded guilty in a case that involved his former partner sending him sexually explicit photos of children at a daycare where she worked, with some of the images involving children as young as 3.

Stacie-Marie Laughton, whose real name is Barry Laughton, is a 41-year-old man who identifies as female. Laughton pleaded guilty in a federal courtroom in Boston to charges that included child sexual exploitation and possessing child sex abuse materials, ABC News affiliate WMUR9 reported.

The trans-identifying lawmaker, who previously served in the New HampshireHouse of Representatives from 2020 to 2022, faces the possibility of 30 years in prison, according to NH Journal. Laughton and his former partner, Lindsay Groves, are scheduled to be sentenced in February 2026.

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