The Barbarian said:

Which is why most Americans won't follow that crowd. It's an old argument, but Americans have always rejected it:

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"Woe to those who call evil good."

America isn't God and is indeed following a crowd to do evil, much like Sodom.

I'm not certain why we're discussing "America as god" on a Christian forum.

The Overton window, propaganda and terror are effective at manipulating democracy. It's possible to get people to support pretty much anything, and even post-birth infant death is now in some sectors being openly being posited.

You've said openly you view God's position on this matter as evil and I'll be leaving this conversation as arguing against- effectively- a satanic position is "pearls before swine." We can't agree because we invoke different authorities.

tranquil said:

The graph indicates that the Daniel 9:27 covenant is made 30 days after the abomination in Jerusalem -

30 days after the start of the 1290 days. The covenant is 'cutting the great tribulation short'.

The 1260 days of the 2 witnesses are the exact 1st half of the covenant. It is occurring after the abomination in Jerusalem but before the abomination in Mystery Babylon ('Shinar' in Zech 5).

The end of the 1290 days is the mid-point of the 7 year covenant (1260 days into it). The end of the 1290 days is the 7th Trumpet.

Day 1335 is the 45th day into the '2nd half' of the 7 year covenant. The 2nd half (1260 days) is cut short to 45 days.

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Your response and chart is so confusing.

Here, please type what day of the 2520 day seven years does the 1335 days period end on ?

Neogaia777 said:

The "personality" of the AI, if you will, evolves or grows or changes over your interacting with it, and no one seems to be able to know/predict what it will become, or how or why, etc, and if that's not concerning to you, especially as AI gains more capabilities, and we put it in charge of a lot more things, and we move even further and further away from ever being able to know that fully, then I don't know what will, etc. It's one of the main chief primary problems involved with the future of AI safety, and AI safety currently, etc.

God Bless.

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There's really nothing to it. Just training data.

The only people who has to worry are those wasting their resources on shallow pleasures.

I’ve been working on a literal translation and grammatical analysis of Daniel 9:24–27, and I believe the prophecy is intentionally structured with two 70-week cycles:

1. First 70 weeks — Ancient fulfillment (457 BC decree → Messiah → 70 AD destruction)


2. Second 70 weeks — Modern fulfillment (1542 Suleiman’s wall rebuilding → 1967 Jerusalem return → final 7-year week)



I’m particularly focused on Daniel 9:25, where the Hebrew reads:

> שִׁשִּׁים וּשְׁנַיִם (shishim u-shenayim) — literally “sixty and two”



Traditional translations render this simply as “sixty-two weeks,” but I interpret it as “second sixty”, marking the first 60 weeks of the second 70-week cycle. My reasoning:

Inversion/wordplay: Verse 25 inverts the normal order compared to verse 26, highlighting a purposeful sequence rather than a simple count.

Cardinal-as-ordinal usage: Hebrew routinely uses cardinal numbers to indicate sequence. Examples include:

Exodus 40:2 — “in the second month” uses the cardinal word for two to indicate sequence.

Daniel 7:25 — “years” (cardinal) used sequentially for prophetic timing.


Contextual necessity: This block must be distinguished from the first 70-week cycle to align with historical events (Suleiman 1542 → Jerusalem 1967).



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My Interlinear Translation (simplified)

HebrewEnglish

עַל־ נֶחְתַּךְ שִׁבְעִים שָׁבֻעִיםThere are divided out 70 weeks
לְכַלֵּא חַטָּאתfor the restraining of lawlessness
וּלְחָתֵםwhich is marked for the coming punishment
חָזוֹן וּלְחָתֵם עֹלָמִים צֶדֶקfor the sealing of the vision and the age of righteousness
נָגִיד וּמָשִׁיחַ לִירוּשָׁלִם שָׁבוּעִים שִׁבְעָהfor a ruler and an anointed one for Jerusalem; it shall take seven weeks to build
וְתָשׁוּב בַּשְּׁנַיִם שִׁשִּׁיםand it shall be returned at the second sixty


(Remaining verses continue with the first 70 and second 70-week timeline, including v.26–27.)


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Dual 70-Week Timeline

CycleWeekEvents / Fulfillment

First 70 7 weeks (49 yrs)457 BC decree → completion of Jerusalem wall (Nehemiah)
First 70 62 weeks408 BC → Messiah arrival (~26–33 AD)
First 70 1 weekMessiah ministry, covenant people cut off → Temple destroyed 70 AD
Second 70 60 weeks1542 Suleiman rebuilds Jerusalem walls → 1967 Israel returns Jerusalem
Second 70 1 week + ½~2025–2032 final tribulation / Day of the Lord
Second 70 remaining ½ weekAbomination removed, age of righteousness begins



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Argument for “Second Sixty”

1. Hebrew שְׁנַיִם (“two”) functions as ordinal in context — sequence rather than pure quantity.


2. Chiastic structure (v.25 inverted vs. v.26 normal) highlights the dual-cycle reading.


3. Historical alignment supports a second prophetic block distinct from the first.


4. Restraining of lawlessness (v.24) corresponds with the final week revelation in 2 Thessalonians.




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Question for Scholars / Linguists

Given the Hebrew construction, the chiastic inversion, and historical alignment:

1. Is translating שְׁנַיִם as “second sixty” contextually and grammatically defensible?


2. Are there other examples in Scripture where cardinal numbers function as ordinals in prophecy?


3. Does this dual-70-week chiastic reading hold up under textual and grammatical scrutiny, or are there constraints I may be overlooking?



I’ve tried to base this entirely on Hebrew grammar, syntax, and historical alignment rather than prior interpretive traditions. I’d appreciate insights from those familiar with biblical Hebrew, Danielic prophecy, or prophetic numerology.


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(CLV) Ac 24:14
"Yet I am avowing this to you, that, according to the way which they are terming a sect, thus am I offering divine service to the hereditary God, believing all that is written, according to the law and in the prophets,

(CLV) Ac 24:5
For, finding this man a pestilence and |stirrer of insurrections among all the Jews who are on the |inhabited earth, besides a ringleader of the sect of the Nazarenes,

(CLV) Ac 28:22
Now we count it worthwhile to hear from you what your disposition is. For, indeed, concerning this sect, it is known to us that everywhere it is being contradicted."

(CLV) Ac 28:23
Now setting a day for him, more came to him in the lodging, to whom he expounded, certifying to the kingdom of God, besides persuading them concerning Jesus, both from the law of Moses and the prophets, from morning till dusk.

I won't continue in the folly of debunking what I have already debunked.

Ride horses on dangerous escarpments.

SOURE

Understand what?

Our french fries're fantastic.

LSAN

Do you like animals? Do you also like dance crazes? Have I got some songs for you.

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It is round but it is like a dish shaped disc, it is not spherical.

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The elephant in the room is what is casting the shadow on the moon. Oh, and that the premise of the video is that light is being reflected off the moon (how else can you cast a shadow on the moon) so it rejects one of flat earthers claims that that the moon is its own light source. Another own goal from flat earthers.
He also claims earth shine isn't a thing when it absolutely is. You only need to take a long exposure photo of a half moon to see the dark half is lit up by dim light reflected off the earth. It's one false claim after another which seems par for the course for flat earthers. You gotta lie to flerf.

RestoreTheJoy said:

A "thousand criminals" did not attack anyone. There were a small bunch who did, all arrested for violent acts.

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The mob was shouting their intent to kill Mike Pence. "Pence got out before they murdered him" isn't a great counterargument.

concretecamper said:

So i see you did and didn't like the answer.

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Have a great night.

You assume too much and seem to be thoroughly convinced of what you believe, so. Good night.

bob121 said:

one-sentence moment when the bread and wine stopped feeling ordinary and you thought,

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While I was a Catholic, I had the moment >

"I'm not sure the Eucharist is really the body of Jesus; and if it isn't, I can't take it."

I don't know who does the live stream videos best... Nice little 15 minute summary here...

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# 1 ONE GROUP. are those under the LAW. and the LAW of Moses does count for today as Christ BLOOD

has NOT YET BEEN CRUCISFIED on the Cross. !!

#. 2 Those who are in the BODY of CHRIST

# 3 THOSE that are UNBELIEVERS'

# 4 THOSE UNDER THE NEW COVENANT

dan p

pasifika said:

Thank you for the post, the "deeds of the law" is referring to the old covenant law as a whole. Not just animal sacrifices because sacrifices applies when you sin and needed forgiveness, as if no sacrifices then there is no forgiveness of sin (both animal sacrifices and law goes hand in hand). The new covenant though is forgiveness by believe in the Gospel no animal sacrifices. Christ is our sacrificial lamb. Believe in Him and your sins will be forgiven.

You cannot keep any commandments given under the old covenant the lamb as was only given so we can see our sinful ways. So you can never show love by trying to keep the Sinai law.

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I think you and Paul don't see eye to eye, because he says in (Rom. 7:7,12) (v.7) What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, THOU SHALT NOT COVET.

Paul asked a question, is the law sin? He said God forbid, he said the only way that he knew what sin was, was by the law.

(v.12) Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good. Why in the world would a Christian want to do away with something that God said is holy.

Paul says in (Rom. 4:15) Because the law worketh wrath: for where no law is, there is no transgression. If there is no law there is no sin.

We must realize everybody has laws by which we must operate by, the governments have laws, your job have laws, your card games have laws, even the boy scouts have laws. But now you are going to try and convince yourselves that the creator of the world has no laws by which we must live.

DaisyDay said:

American deported:

Man deported to Laos despite US court order blocking his removal, attorneys say

District judge told Ice to keep Alabama man in US while he showed what judge called ‘substantial claim’ to citizenship

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Immigration officials have deported a father living in Alabama to Laos despite a federal court order blocking his removal from the US on the grounds he has a claim to citizenship, the man’s attorneys said on Tuesday.​

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US district judge Shelly Dick last week ordered US Immigration and Customs Enforcement to keep Chanthila “Shawn” Souvannarath, 44, in the United States while he presented what the judge called his “substantial claim of US citizenship”, court records show. He was born in a refugee camp in Thailand but was granted lawful permanent residence in the US before his first birthday, according to court filings.​

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But Souvannarath on Sunday messaged his wife on WhatsApp and told her he was in Dongmakkhai, Laos, according to a screenshot she shared with the Associated Press. The message ends with “love y’all”.​

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He's not legally a citizen. He was not born here and was never naturalized. His legal argument goes against immigration law. There is nothing in the law that says you are a citizen just becauae your parent becomes one. How do I know? I'm from an immigrant family. My dad became naturalized before me. We were told that I and my sister had to be naturalized too before we were citizens. I did it before I was 18 because it was harder and more costly afterward.

RestoreTheJoy said:

Extremist activists are the ones who are violent in the political realm. Everyone else either writes to congressmen or peacefully protests somewhere, standing around with signs.

No one who is committing violence, assaulting officers, attacking others, spitting on or screeching at anyone is a "deeply committed" rational person. Irrational people commit violence (unless they are just psychopaths/sociopaths and know full well what they are doing- get them off the street).

Show me news articles of non-extremists charged with/convicted of violent crimes.

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I'll give you an opportunity to re-read the post you wrote to which I was responding. Then, I hope you will address my points and not erect a straw man by changing your definition of extremist mid-stream. I was looking for an open discussion, not a reply that looks like a rhetorical trick.

fli said:

Romans 8:33 Who shall bring a charge against God's elect? It is God who justifies. 34 Who is he who condemns? It is Christ who died, and furthermore is also risen, who is even at the right hand of God, who also makes intercession for us. 35 Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? Shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword? 36 As it is written: "For Your sake we are killed all day long; We are accounted as sheep for the slaughter." 37 Yet in all these things we are more than conquerors through Him who loved us. 38 For I am persuaded that neither death nor life, nor angels nor principalities nor powers, nor things present nor things to come, 39 nor height nor depth, nor any other created thing, shall be able to separate us from the love of God which is in Christ Jesus our Lord. NKJV

Paul asks who will bring a charge against God's elect? He answers his question in the same verse, it is God who justifies. Then Paul asks who condemns us. Then He answers that question- it is Jesus. God the Father has granted all judgment to Jesus. Next Paul defines the love Jesus has for us. In verse 39 Paul states that no created thing can separate us from the love of God which is in Jesus.

John 15:1 "I am the true vine, and My Father is the vinedresser. 2 Every branch in Me that does not bear fruit He takes away; and every branch that bears fruit He prunes, that it may bear more fruit. NKJV

Jesus is the vine and the Father, who is not a created thing, is the vinedresser. The vine dresser, the Father, separates all unfruitful branches from Jesus.

John 15:5 "I am the vine, you are the branches. He who abides in Me, and I in him, bears much fruit; for without Me you can do nothing. 6 If anyone does not abide in Me, he is cast out as a branch and is withered; and they gather them and throw them into the fire, and they are burned. 7 If you abide in Me, and My words abide in you, you will ask what you desire, and it shall be done for you. NKJV

Jesus went on to say that we must abide in Him. If we do not abide in Jesus, we will be unfruitful, and the Father will separate us from Jesus. So, what work must we do to abide in Jesus?

1 John 3:22 And whatever we ask we receive from Him, because we keep His commandments and do those things that are pleasing in His sight. 23 And this is His commandment: that we should believe on the name of His Son Jesus Christ and love one another, as He gave us commandment. 24 Now he who keeps His commandments abides in Him, and He in him. And by this we know that He abides in us, by the Spirit whom He has given us. NKJV

If we keep the 2 commandments given in verse 23, we abide in Jesus. Anyone who abides in Jesus is the elect.

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And 1. John 3:22. and 23 witten to thwb. BODY. of CHRIST and ONLY PAUL. , the Apostles to GENTILES has written

to. the BODY. and Peter says that. Paul writes things that are HARD to. be understood and Peter is not our Apostle

And we were CHOSEN. // ELECTED before the OVER THREW. OF THE WORLD in Eph 1:4. !!

And we were PLACED INTO CHRIST. in 1 COR. 12:13. !!

AND IN. 1 Cor. 12:15-17 we. are CHRISTS FEET , HIS HANDS , WE ARE HIS EYES , ARE HIS EARS , His SENSE OF HEARING

and his SENSE OF SENSE ''

It mes we are CHRIST !!

AND 1 JOHN 3:22 and 23 IS NOT THE BODY OF CHRIST as 1 John is. WRITTEN to ISRAEL. and not to the

BODY OF CHRIST. and I will say you. are following , what yet in. the FUTURE , like the GREAT. TRIUBATION !!

Just wondering , just. who. taught you about. 1 John 3:22 and 23 , just. asking. ??

# A And I see. the following groups. !!


# B. BEGINNING with the OLD COVENANT GROUP

#B. THE NEW COVENANT GROUP

# C THE BODY of CHRIST GROUP

# D The NONE BELIEVERS GROUP


Where do you say. you are AT ???

dan p

Capitol Critters

United States Secretary of Homeland Security Kristi Noem announced Thursday that Transportation Security Administration employees who worked during the government shutdown will receive $10,000 bonuses as the longest shutdown in U.S. history has come to an end.

During a Thursday press conference at Bush Airport in Houston, Texas, Noem announced that the agency was distributing bonus checks to TSA employees across the country who continued to work without pay during the government shutdown.

While Noem handed out bonus checks to several TSA workers standing beside her at the press conference who went “above and beyond” during the shutdown, she stressed that the DHS will “continue to evaluate every single employee that helped during the shutdown and stepped up and went above and beyond.”

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