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Hamas now executing Palestinians who tried to help peace.

The silence from the “free Palestine” crowd is deafening. Would have thought that freeing Palestine would include freeing it from an oppressive terrorist organization.
That cannot be accomplished in a day.

Give it a year.
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Music recording and sound engineering

As the title suggests I am interested in recording music and all the editing ect that goes with it. To be able to reproduce the best sound possible from recording setups. Especially for voice and guitar.

Not necessarily effects that enhance the music but capturing the most genuine sound of the voice and guitar.

I understand there are what they call sound cards or interfaces which is the device similar to a router that the sound waves go through which you can connect an instrument and microphones. There are various types. I think I have a Focusrite Scarlett 2i2 interface.

Then there is the DAW or software. Forgive me I have not used the equipment for a few years so it may have updated. I was using Abelton and Cubase. I found Ableton to be good and easy to use. There were effects and virtual instruments.

I know there are Midis as well which incoporate effects, pads that can be used for beats and loops ect. There is a way of recoding loops and then overlaying them live.

I understand that there are different microphones as well for voice and instruments.

But primarily I am wanting to find the best way to record in a home studio.

Letita Jamews indicted for fraud

I agree that she's done nothing criminal, but that doesn't seem to be an impediment to the current DOJ.
True enough. Though, Halligan still needs some excuse, and I just don't see it.

-- A2SG, but maybe I'm just not as imaginative as the current DOJ....
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DOES THE. LAW. of MOSES SAVE ??

Jesus saves us from our sin (Matthew 1:21) and it is by the Law of Moses that we have knowledge of what sin is (Romans 3:20), so we can't earn our salvation even as the result of having perfect obedience to the Law of Moses, but rather Jesus graciously teaching us to be a doer of it is intrinsically the way that he is giving us his gift of saving us from not being a doer of it.
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Post-tribulation Rapture Believers Safe House

SDA or not , you need to deal with the actual text itself starting with vs 29



Kinda reminds us of..


Matt 24:
29 “But immediately after the tribulation of those days ...31 And He will send forth His angels with a great trumpet and they will gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of the sky to the other.

There is no "God's wrath exausted" in vs 28.

But there is vs 29-31 saying that after that tribulation Jesus takes the saints.

Indeed it appears to end in the text with Christ's coming

In fact it is pointing to the sequence of what happens after the tribulation.

We see a lot of sequences in the Bible and yet no rule that every step in Bible sequences must have the word "Jesus" in it

30 And then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in the sky, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of the sky with power and great glory. 31 And He will send forth His angels with a great trumpet and they will gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of the sky to the other. NASB

The term "Son of man" is exactly what we see in Daniel 7 for Christ. And is the term Jesus uses for himself in the Gospels


The text says that the events that follow are all happening immediately after the tribulation not "immediately before the tribulation".

To get the rapture event of vs 31 to be shuffled back BEFORE vs 29 you need to put it before all the tribulation texts that preceed vs 29.

A rather large leap in logical order of the text. Not at all the apparent reading in the text..

SDA or not , having to re-order the chapter out of its sequence merely to service an a priori bias is a form of eisegesis in my POV
You still say verse 31 goes before verse 30. I showed irrefutable proof yesterday that your claim is in violation of English grammar. The Bible is 100% correct. You are wrong.
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Who then can be saved?

A faith that never existed can’t move mountains. I think what he’s saying is that even a faith strong enough to move mountains is useless without love, which would imply that love isn’t an automatic byproduct of faith. That’s how I read it.
Yes, Augustine put it this way:
Without love faith may indeed exist, but avails nothing.
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JPPT's Faithful Thoughts and Devotions (3)

JPPT1974's Halloween Weekend 2025:
How the very first sin came
When the world was sin free
But Adam and Eve the very
First two people and in the very first
Couple and first married husband and wife
Forbidden to eat in the Garden of Good and Evil
God's special and precious garden and
How it had to ache Him to see the first sin
But God knew it was going to be the very first sin sadly
Predicting it as He was and is and always will be God!
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Hollywood Has Made Many Movies About Exorcism. But None Has Had Christ at Its Heart...

I’m now all but certain there has never been a movie about exorcism that has had Christ at its heart.
What do you expect of Hollywood?
I hate Hollywood horror movies, they don't make much sense.
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Should Trump have been banned from running for president?

I am okay agreeing to disagree.

Do not waste your energy discussing it. Weakness always cowers and tucks its head when boldness is required. But those of us who aren’t afraid will do what we must and our voices will be heard on high. The Lord hastens to His word. As you encounter things that trouble you on this subject and others hit them with the word and request His justice, judgment and recompense to the aggressor, victims and the ones sitting on the sidelines doing nothing including christians.

Whoever shuts his ears at the cry of the poor Will cry out himself and not be answered.

~bella
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Advice on inquiring at my local parish with four young children

I'm curious when you say the service is 2.5 hours -- it's normal for the liturgy to be 1.5-1.75 hours, 2 hours tops, and that would be unusual. Are you including matins/orthros in that? I'd really recommend that, if you have a pile of kids just getting used to going to church like this, that you focus on just the liturgy until they're more acclimated. Obviously if the local priest suggests otherwise you should follow his lead, but you have to start by biting off what you can chew.

Actually a hierarchical divine liturgy is often two and a half hours, as is All Night Vigils of the sort ROCOR and other Slavonic churches prefer.

Also if one attends both Orthros and the Divine Liturgy in a Greek or Antiochian church that can amount to two and a half to three hours, depending on how abbreviated Orthros is.

I myself strongly support attending the Divine Office where possible, but what one sees in many churches with longer services is parents with young children showing up prior to the reading of the Gospel, which is often regarded as being sufficiently “on time” for communion, but one should always check with their priests.

By the way, canonical Old Rite Orthodox routinely have lituegies of four and five hours in duration, and are able to stand throughout them. An Orthodox visitor to Russia during Holy Week in the 16th century remarked at how the end of the Paschal Divine Liturgy, he and fellow members of his group were doubly elated, both about the Resurrection and about being freed of the obligation to stand for such lengths of time, and remarked “as for the Russians, their feet must surely be made of iron.”

The Western Rite Orthodox of the AWRV and ROCOR tend to have liturgies long by Western standards, but short by Orthodox standards, since most of their liturgies are based on the Roman Rite which is known for its brevity. However I am very thankful we have these, and also the Old Rite Orthodox, because I believe, as did St. John Maximovitch, that God can be truly glorified using the Western liturgies.

Among our Oriental Orthodox and Assyrian friends, and those of the Eastern Catholic churches, while Syriac and Armenian liturgies, Byzantine Rite Catholic liturgies, and those of the Assyrian Church of the East are the same length as a typical EO liturgy, the Copts have services which can be quite long, if one arrives for the Hours of the Agpeya and the Morning Raising of Incense, but like in an EO church numbers steadily increase. The Ethiopians have the longest services of any church in the world, with members standing in prayer for many hours at a time, and Parish feast days and Holy Week services can last 24 hours. In the US, a typical Sunday service begins at 6 AM and ends at noon. However the pattern of the congregation growing dramatically as the morning progresses holds true. However some Eastern Catholic churches such as the Maronite Catholics and Chaldean Catholics often have shorter liturgies than was historically the case, with the Maronite liturgy falling victim to excessive pruning post-Vatican II.

Fortunately nearly everyone now provides chairs for the elderly and also for people like me who are recovering from illness.
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About Jesus being the only way?

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A major Biblical error seeing these two different events as being the same event.

“When the Son of Man comes in His glory, and all the holy angels with Him, then He will sit on the throne of His glory. All the nations will be gathered before Him, and He will separate them one from another, as a shepherd divides his sheep from the goats. And He will set the sheep on His right hand, but the goats on the left. Then the King will say to those on His right hand, ‘Come, you blessed of My Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world: for I was hungry and you gave Me food; I was thirsty and you gave Me drink; I was a stranger and you took Me in; I was naked and you clothed Me; I was sick and you visited Me; I was in prison and you came to Me.’

“Then the righteous will answer Him, saying, ‘Lord, when did we see You hungry and feed You, or thirsty and give You drink? When did we see You a stranger and take You in, or naked and clothe You? Or when did we see You sick, or in prison, and come to You?’ And the King will answer and say to them, ‘Assuredly, I say to you, inasmuch as you did it to one of the least of these My brethren, you did it to Me.’

“Then He will also say to those on the left hand, ‘Depart from Me, you cursed, into the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels: for I was hungry and you gave Me no food; I was thirsty and you gave Me no drink; I was a stranger and you did not take Me in, naked and you did not clothe Me, sick and in prison and you did not visit Me.’
“Then they also will answer Him, saying, ‘Lord, when did we see You hungry or thirsty or a stranger or naked or sick or in prison, and did not minister to You?’ Then He will answer them, saying, ‘Assuredly, I say to you, inasmuch as you did not do it to one of the least of these, you did not do it to Me.’ And these will go away into everlasting punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.”

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Then I saw a great white throne and Him who sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away. And there was found no place for them. And I saw the dead, small and great, standing before God, and books were opened. And another book was opened, which is the Book of Life. And the dead were judged according to their works, by the things which were written in the books. The sea gave up the dead who were in it, and Death and Hades delivered up the dead who were in them. And they were judged, each one according to his works. Then Death and Hades were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. And anyone not found written in the Book of Life was cast into the lake of fire.
Perhaps? But I just wanted you to know that opinions vary of the subject, etc. But, either way, and as for me, I'll stick to what I said in post #53.

God Bless.
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Help with Mark 9:29

A while back I was involved in a Christian group that encouraged fasting. They said it's to 'get more spiritual', 'closer to God', it somehow 'gets God to hear your prayers'.

It made me wonder why other Christians don't fast. It seemed very convincing.

But I disagree w/ them now

A Christian already has the Holy Spirit & full access to God at all times. This is a large part of the Gospel

Most references in the Bible to fasting appears to be when there's great testing. Almost like you don't have food available or you just 'don't have the appetite.' I don't see the reasons commonly used for fasting in the Bible.
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Bible Recommendations for a Family Member

I have a family member that is going through some trouble. He is in his 20s, has money problems, smokes marijuana, and is expecting a baby with his girlfriend.

I have thought about buying this family member a Bible, but I do not know which one to buy him. I believe his current problems are happening and God is allowing them so that this family member will turn to Christ for salvation.

What recommendations do you all have?

Thanks.
Get him the New American Standard Bible, easy to read and very accurate.

But if he is not inclined to read that sort of thing, think about the NIV or the Living Bible.
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