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Refuting Losing Salvation!

Jesus came to fulfill the Law and the Prophets, that is, all the Prophecies that concerned Him and the Law.

"Jesus came to fulfill the Law and the Prophets, which refers to the entire Old Testament. This means he completed the purpose of the law by embodying its true meaning and achieving what it pointed towards, particularly in terms of salvation and reconciliation with God." - cbtseminary.org

Jesus came to fulfill the Law and the Prophets, meaning His purpose was to bring the Old Testament scriptures to completion through His life, teachings, and sacrificial death. This fulfillment involves perfectly obeying the law, embodying the prophetic messages, and providing a way for believers to be saved from their sins through His sacrifice. - Google AI
Why are you using other sources instead of the words of Jesus Christ, as if they mean more than what Jesus Himself said? He said not a jot or tittle shall pass from His laws and not to break the least of these commandments. Mat5:18-19 destroying prophecies of His second coming that has yet to be fulfilled that He just said He did not come to destroy. Mat5:17 Why would Jesus fulfilling His laws means we can go vain His holy name or steal from our neighbor or do the exact opposite of what Jesus just said. I would consider prayerfully reading more Scripture and less commentaries made from man. We have this warning in Scripture if anyone teaches this Isa8:20 so we won’t be deceived. Jesus in His own words said when we lay aside the commandment of God again quoting from the Ten Commandments, we are making the word of God of no effect Mat15:3-14 Mark7:7-13. It sad people gloss over His teachings as if they are made for “other people” and His teachings and life as our example are not for us, only His death, what He can do for us, not what He asks of us and showed us how to do so. 1 John2:6 1 Peter 2:21-22 Heb4:15 It’s sad but what was predicted 2 Tim4:3-4
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Benedict XVI’s former secretary hopes the pope’s beatification process will open soon

Archbishop Georg Gänswein, former secretary of Pope Benedict XVI, said he hopes the beatification process will begin soon for the German pontiff, who died on Dec. 31, 2022.

“Personally, I have great hopes that this process will be opened,” the archbishop and current apostolic nuncio to Lithuania, Latvia, and Estonia said in an interview with the television channel K-TV, which aired Dec. 7.

According to current Church regulations, a potential beatification process for Pope Benedict XVI could only begin five years after his death unless the current pope grants special authorization before then, as Joseph Ratzinger himself did with John Paul II, waiving this waiting period.

In the excerpt from the interview, published by the German Catholic media outlet Katholisch, Gänswein emphasized that one of Pope Benedict’s essential qualities for understanding the faith was joy.

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(ETA: Plot thickens more) NYT reports interim US Attorney Alina Habba will leave interim role (Judge rules her acting appointment illegal)

Alina Habba resigns as New Jersey US attorney after appeals court defeat

She announced her resignation as U.S. attorney in a social media post on Monday. She will remain serving as "Senior Adviser to the Attorney General for U.S. Attorneys."

The resignation comes after a protracted legal fight about whether she could serve in the U.S. attorney role without Senate confirmation.

“Following the flawed Third Circuit decision disqualifying Alina Habba from performing her duties in the U.S. Attorney's office for the District of New Jersey, I am saddened to accept Alina's resignation," Attorney General Pam Bondi said in a statement. "The Department of Justice will seek further review of this decision, and we are confident it will be reversed."

The Trump administration has faced growing headwinds over its efforts to install Trump loyalists as top prosecutors in U.S. attorneys' offices across the country, suffering a string of court defeats as judges raise concerns they're actively disregarding the law.
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Trump’s Domestic Use of Military Set to Get Worse, Leaked DHS/DoD Memo Shows: LA "hasn't been perfect" but indicates what's coming "for years to come"

Trump mobilizing up to 1,700 National Guard troops in 19 states to widen crime and immigration crackdown

The apparent expansion in operations comes as President Trump threatened to send the “regular military” into Chicago for a similar crime crackdown, as well as potentially send troops to New York City.

New York City ties its record for longest stretch without a homicide

During the first 11 months of the year, New York City saw its lowest number of shooting incidents (652) and shooting victims (812) in recorded history, according to NYPD data.

For the month of November, murders were also at the lowest level ever, with 16 murders, tying the previous record set in 2018.

The record-tying milestone comes after the Trump administration considered sending members of the National Guard to New York City streets.

[I guess Mamdani got rid of the billionaires and crime has come down.]
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Who then can be saved?

No, God commands all men to repent, so they are without excuse, when they stand before Him on judgement day
But now commands all men everywhere to repent Because He has appointed a day in the which they will be judged.... And has given assurance unto all in that He raised Christ from the dead.

If it was not possible for them to repent, then they have a very good excuse for judgement day, can you understand that?
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Are the Jews Israel, or is the church Israel? Or does it depend on the context of the passage?

I am aware that in the population of modern day Israel has many are Khazars . The number of true descendents of the ancient nation is unknown to me. Have you considered that in the second resurrection GOD will raise up the nation to flesh again and in that day keep HIS promise to Abraham regarding carnal Israel ? Paul did say that GOD has not written off these people but at some future time they can be grafted back into the olive tree if the do not remain in unbelief. Ezekiel 36 describes this time of restoration. The physical resurrection of carnal Israel may be described in Ezekiel 37 Since it is said that David will be king over them this must be at a future time after David’s resurrection. Romans 11:11-15 speaks of this life from the dead in the second resurrection. When discussing prophecy we should know that prophecy is like being in a dark room with very little light but as the light level increases more can be known. Doctrine is prophecy that has been fulfilled, like the prophecy of the first advent is now doctrine. Until more light shines or as more things are fulfilled the pieces will come together. This is one reason why Jesus told us to watch and we watch for the signs he gave us to come to pass. We also hear the words of the prophets and Apostles about these things. We must be careful to not go beyond what has been written.
The judgment of the sheep and goats, (white throne judgment) will begin shortly after the second resurrection. This second resurrection will be at the end of time when Jesus descends to earth with his angels and saints. These saints receive their resurrected bodies before they accompany Jesus to earth. The people still on earth will receive their resurrected bodies as they rise to meet Jesus in the air. 1 Thessalonians 4:16-18, 1 Corinthians 15:51-54

The unbelieving Jews have already had 2000 years to become Christians. Many of the remnant Jews have become Christians during this time period. More will come into the Church before Jesus' second coming.

David's earthly kingship ended when he died. Jesus Christ is now king and he will be king forever in heaven and on earth. Revelation 1:4-5
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Review: Kevin Costner brings gritty, reverent lens to Nativity in 'The First Christmas'

“Kevin Costner Presents: The First Christmas” takes a direct and reverent approach to the Nativity story, exchanging the traditional holiday cheer for a more historically grounded portrayal of the circumstances, no matter how difficult, surrounding Jesus’ birth.

The two-hour ABC special, airing Dec. 9 and then the following day on Hulu, blends reenactments, narration from Costner, and commentary from Christian theologians to reframe a story many viewers think they know well.

It’s not a glossy story, and the production’s central strength lies in its emphasis on realism.

Rather than presenting Mary and Joseph as static religious symbols, the dramatizations depict them as young people navigating fear, uncertainty and danger. The couple’s youth and social vulnerability, the political pressure of Roman rule, and Herod’s mounting paranoia form the backdrop of the journey to Bethlehem.

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Spanberger appoints FBI agent linked to memo on 'radical' Catholics to public safety post

Virginia Democrat governor-elect Abigail Spanberger has appointed the Federal Bureau of Investigation agent whose office released a memo many considered anti-Catholic to a post in her administration.

Last week, Spanberger announced the appointment of veteran law enforcement official Stanley Meador as Virginia's secretary of Public Safety and Homeland Security.

“As a former federal law enforcement officer, I know that this success requires leaders who know how to collaborate with communities and law enforcement agencies across the Commonwealth amid an ever-evolving threat landscape," stated Spanberger.

"Meador's decades of service to our country and our Commonwealth will bring the expertise necessary to protect our citizens, support the brave men and women of law enforcement, and make sure Virginia is a place where every Virginian can safely thrive."

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Family Issues

I am sorry you are facing this experience in your life, and thank Jesus for your faith to give you strength.

I have living relatives that I am not talking to because of advice from the police that it would be dangerous to communicate with them. It was impossible to explain this to any of my family, because it would also be dangerous to let on that the police said that.

I was raised in church, always liked it, missed some years as an adult, but never lost my own faith. Everyone who knew my family when we were together found us to be kind and helpful people. The internal dynamics were constant extreme stress. All it took was a secret, a lie, and one very bad influence on one person (a toxic friend) and the whole thing was a nightmare. If one person's needs start always, consistantly coming before another, family life has gone in real terms. If the attitude to one or more members is biased, in favour of or against, family life has gone. If everyone listens to whoever is shouting loudest, or crying hardest, instead of whoever is making the smartest suggestion family life has gone. It was a source of a kind of shame for me, especially regarding church, because I did not want to accuse other members of the church of doing very wrong things without proof.

I pray constantly for a restoration of healthy family dynamics in the western world, I look out for every way I might be able to help others learn from the disaster that I survived which called itself my family. I also ask Jesus to restore my contact with any willing relatives I still have, but there is a safety standard that they would have to recognise before that can be done.
I'm sorry you've had to deal with what you described too. That sounds really rough. I also pray for restoration, change and that God brings people into my life for my benefit. We may not have a good earthly family unit, but at least we have our spiritual family!
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Asking AI about Jer 4:23-26 and Rev 20:1-5 conditions on Earth

Rev 19 says that at Christ's appearing the opposing armies of Earth are all slain and then 'the rest were killed by the sword that comes from Christ's mouth" (ie "The Word" of God)

2 Thess 1:5-8 says that those who "do not know God and those who do not obey the gospel" are all slain when Christ appears)

This might explain the desolate earth scenario of Jeremiah 4;23-26

Given that at Christ's appearing (1 Thess 4:13-18) all the saints are raptured.
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The New Testament begins in Acts not Matthew chapter one.

Yes, Jesus is the true Church, the Body of Christ. 1 Corinthians 12:13
And Gal 6:15 is the BEST WAY. to explain. the DIFFERENCE. between Israel and GENTILES and. the BODY OF CHRIST

For in. Christ Jesus NEITHER CIRCUMCISION ( ARE JEWS ). is of any FORCE

NOR UNCUMCISION ( GENTILES. ). but a NEW CREATION. meaning. the BODY of CHRIST

And today the BODY of Christ RULES , because of HEB 9:18. is the big BOMB. so read very carefully

other wise you will need a PRIEST. and ALTER. and ANIMAL. for a SACIFICE.

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A Conversion Journey

As a kid, I went to the Baptist church with mom. Poor lady. I have two memories from that church, and one is her literally dragging me by my arm down the sidewalk to the front door. I was crying and screaming because I didn't want to go in. Mom was very embarrassed and apologizing to an elderly couple who were looking very sternly at me as if I were under demonic influence. I think it was because I was a very hyperactive kid, and hated having to be quiet and sit still. But maybe demons viewed me as an easy target because of that. ?

The other thing I remember was something the preacher said one Sunday, the only thing I remember him saying, which stuck with me and would come up later in life.

Dad was not religious. The only time I heard him mention God or Jesus was when he was trying to fix the car, if you know what I mean. But he would convert and be baptized later in life.

One day in elementary school a teacher told us that light and sound traveled at different speeds. I'd never heard of that, and it didn't make sense to me because I didn't think of those as physical things. But one day while riding my bike I stopped on a hill to watch some older guys playing baseball a good distance away. I experienced what the teacher was talking about, because I would see the bat hit the ball, but didn't hear the sound from that till a second later. This blew me away. G.K.C. said that "One elephant having a trunk was odd; but all elephants having trunks looked like a plot." And C. S. Lewis in several places wrote of reality as an "artifact" of God.

In whatever childlike thoughts I had, in that moment I realized that reality presents itself to us as something like "stagecraft" in a play. Something set up or designed to be experienced a certain specific way. Reality is real enough to us, but there's something else behind it. And if we're in some kind of play, it's possible that some kind of story is being told, or that we are to tell it. Later, like most of you EO, I'd come to know that it's also a cosmic battle.

I've also always kinda liked the Santa Claus editorial to Virginia: "...there is a veil covering the unseen world which not the strongest man, nor even the united strength of all the strongest men that ever lived, could tear apart. Only faith, fancy, poetry, love, romance, can push aside that curtain and view and picture the supernal beauty and glory beyond."

I read The Lion, The Witch and The Wardrobe as a kid. Loved the story, but didn't have a clue what it was actually about.

(I apologize for not just getting straight to conversion to EO. I will. It's just that looking back I perceive that I may have picked up bits of truth which each played a part in eventually leading me to the fullness of Truth.)
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Tit for Tat Tariffs - The US versus the World

China’s trade surplus tops $1 trillion as its exports surge

But as trade with the U.S. weakens, China is diversifying its export markets throughout Southeast Asia, Africa, Europe and Latin America.

[China's surplus for the first 11 months of 2025 is already larger than all of 2024 and a new record, topping $1T for the first time.]

Right, as I indicated at the outset, if the US picks a fight with the world, the world doesn't have to fight with each other -- they can band together and do EVEN MOAR trade.
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OU Student given a zero for citing the bible in essay

The 'essay' itself is floating around and it really does bear no resemblance to a piece of academic writing, even a poor one.
The reason it was floating around was that conservatives were making a big deal of this 'injustice' and spreading it themselves as 'evidence' of what a great essay it was.

Why conservatives are obsessed with this bad college essay

The academic merits of Fulnecky’s essay are immaterial to the battle at hand. [Short answer to headline question: it's ragebait.]
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The primary cause of America's social-justice violence

God will forgive the ones who have given themselves to Christ.
I agree but we don't know who these are or if and when people give themselves to Christ. That is why pray for all because vengeance is the Lord's.

Paul was a prosecutor before Jesus revealed himself to Paul. Why did Jesus choose that moment? Faith is trusting that God has a plan and he will save whom ever he wishes whenever he chooses.
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Conservative Marc Theissen column: Trump built a winning coalition. White nationalists will destroy it.

Glenn Beck attempts to patiently explain to his rightwing fans that Hitler was bad.

The idea that Adolf Hitler was some misunderstood or even "good" figure while Winston Churchill was the real WWII villain was once confined to the extreme fringes and unknown to almost everyone else. Today, however, the idea has resurfaced with disturbing visibility — no longer limited to neo-Nazi forums but now defended or entertained on major podcasts, viral social-media threads, and platforms with tens of millions of listeners and viewers.

Glenn Beck, a lover of history and collector of historical artifacts, is appalled that this revisionist narrative is being taken seriously.

“I really don't get it. History, real history, is not a choose-your-own-adventure kind of thing. It's ink on paper, orders in filing cabinets, telegrams, diaries, bodies. It's what actually happened, not what we hope happened,” he says.

On this episode of “The Glenn Beck Program,” Glenn sets the record straight about Hitler, Churchill, and WWII.
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Do the Ten Commandments apply to Christians today?

There is the weekly Sabbath about worship Isa66:23 and honoring God Isa 58:13 Exo20:8-11 and the annual sabbaths that had to do with animal sacrifices- festivals, offerings etc.
This be true. Consider the double sabbath at the time of Jesus' crucifixion.
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Trump Foster’s yet another peace deal

Many people write to be understood. Deliberately obscuring or confusing writing seems self-defeating - if you actually want to be understood.

Lols. Did you see that Thailand and Cambodia have resumed bombing? Leaders of some of the nations know just how very susceptible to flattery poor Donald is.


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It is deeply pathetic.
IMHO - a picture of Pathetic includes ignoring world leaders because it doesn't line up with the tribes narrative.

What did their 'flattery" get them?

Oh yeah - peace
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President makes historic trip to Asia

Thailand suspends Cambodia ceasefire deal, testing Trump-brokered truce

Thailand said on Tuesday it was halting implementation of a ceasefire pact with Cambodia a day after a landmine blast maimed a Thai soldier, posing the biggest test for a truce brokered by U.S. President Donald Trump.

The Thai government has accused Cambodia of planting fresh landmines along a stretch of their disputed border, including a PMN-2 anti-personnel mine that injured four Thai soldiers on Monday, with one losing a foot in the explosion.

At least they got the photo op.

Trump-brokered truce under threat as Thailand-Cambodia fighting reignites

BANGKOK/PHNOM PENH, Dec 8 (Reuters) - Thailand said its fighter jets struck Cambodia on Monday in an attempt to cripple its military capability, as a re-eruption of border hostilities derailed a fragile ceasefire brokered by U.S. President Donald Trump.
Each side blamed the other for starting clashes that broke out during the night and intensified before dawn and spread to several locations, with one Thai soldier and four Cambodian civilians killed, according to officials.

Thai Prime Minister Anutin Charnvirakul on Monday said his government would do whatever necessary to protect its territorial integrity and would not engage in dialogue with Cambodia.
"There will be no talks. If the fighting is to end, (Cambodia) must do what Thailand has set," he said, without elaborating.
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