Valletta said:

The more monitors the better. We don't need a repeat of Michigan. Lara Trump recruited more than 100,000 poll watchers.

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Crooked Trump monitors don't make an election better

Discussion 1 was about Eve. This discussion will be about Adam, and at times Eve, because on certain points it was impossible to not to mention her.

I won't be talking about every single thing regarding Adam that is brought up in the book (there is a lot), so I picked certain things.


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Read Genesis 2 and 3 in your Bible. I will post a link to the NIV translation, but you are welcome to read whichever translation you prefer.





Some points about Adam (and sometimes Eve) mentioned in "God's Word to Women":

1. Adam and Eve were in one body in the beginning; they were created at the same time but Adam was "formed" first, then Eve (Paragraphs 23, 24, 30)
   
   
   

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2. With the above point in mind, Eve was taken out of Adam's "side" not "rib" (Paragraphs 38, 39, 41, 42, 43)
   
   
   

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3. At one point in time, Adam was free to eat from the Tree of Life, but he chose not to (Paragraph 31)
   
   
   

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4. Adam was given certain responsibilities concerning the Garden of Eden; Adam did not fulfill his responsibilities since Satan entered the Garden (Paragraphs 31, 36, 37, 69)
   
   

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5. According to Bushnell and others, Adam's condition of "good" did not last; this problem led to Eve being formed and taken out of the side as a superior help (Paragraphs 31, 32, 33, 34, 35)
   
   
   

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What did you think of these points? Agree or disagree? Not sure? Do any of these statements contradict what you have been taught?

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# 2 ALSO. // KAI. is a CONJUNCATION

# 3. IN. // EN. is a PREPOSITION

# 4 ALL. // PAS. is. in the DATIVE CASE. an. in. the PLURAL

# 5. HIS EPISTLES. //. EPISTOIE. inch DATIVE CASE in the PLURAL

# 6. SPEAKING. // LALEO. in the PRESENT TENSE. , in. the ACTIVE VOICE. is a PARTICIPLE. in the NOMINATIVE CASE a SINGULAR

# 7 IN. // EN. is. a PREPOSTION

# 8 THEM // AUTOS. is a PRESONAL POSSESSETIVE PRONOUN. in. the DATIVE CASE. in. the PLURAL

# 9 OF. // PERI. is a PREPOSTION

# 10 THESE. THINGS. // LOUTON. is a DEMONSTRATIVE PROMOUN. in. the GENITE CASE in. the NEUTER in. the PLURAL

# 11. IN. //. EN. , is a PREPOSTION

#12 WHICH. // HOS. is a RELATIVE PRONOUN. in. the DATIVE CASE. in. the PLURAL

# 13 ARE. //. ESTI. in. the PRESENT TENSE in. the INDICATIVE MOOD. in. the SINGULAR

# 14 SOME THINGS // ESTI in the PRESENT TENSE in. the INDICATIVE MOOD in v the SIGNULAR

# 15. HARD TO BE UNDER STOOD. //. DYSNOSTOS. in. the NOMINATIVE CASE , in. the PLURAL in. the NEUTER

# 16 WHICH. //. HOSis a RELATIVE PRONOUN. in a NOMINATIVE CASE. in. the PLURAL. is a NEUTER

# 17. THEY. THAT. // HO. is a DEFINITE ARTICLE. is a NOMINATIVE CASE. in. the PLURAL

# 18. ARE UNLEARNED. // AMATHES. in. the NOMINATIVE CASE in. the PLURAL

# 19 AND. // KAI. is a CONJUNCATION.

# 20 UNSTABLE // ASTENKTOS

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# 23. ALSO. // KAI is a CONJUNCATION

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# 25 OTHER // LOIPOS. in. the ACCUSATIVE CASE in. the PLURAL

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#29 OWN //. DIOS. is a ACCUSATIVE CASE in. the SINGULAR.

# 30 DESTRUCTION. // APOLEIA. in the ACCUSATIVE CASE in. the SINGULAR

as they. do also the rest of the SCRIPTURES

# A. This just shows that Peter was teaching THE LAW

# B And Peter did not a GRACE teacher as was Paul

# C And Peter was WARNING all that. there though that had the TRUTH and were also doing destruction to. the

rest of the. SCRIPTURES .and even. Peter sees the difference between LAW and GRACE !!
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U.S. tsunami warning system, reeling from funding and staffing cuts, is dealt another blow​

Seismic monitoring stations in Alaska are closing after a denied federal grant, risking delayed tsunami warnings for people living on the West Coast.

Nine seismic stations in Alaska are set to go dark this month, leaving tsunami forecasters without important data used to determine whether an earthquake will send a destructive wave barreling toward the West Coast.

The stations relied on a federal grant that lapsed last year; this fall, the Trump administration declined to renew it. A NOAA grant for about $300,000 each year had supported the stations.

The U.S. has two tsunami warning centers — one in Palmer, Alaska, and the other in Honolulu — that operate around-the-clock making predictions that help emergency managers determine whether coastal evacuations are necessary after an earthquake. The data from Alaska’s seismic stations has historically fed into the centers.

Both centers are already short-staffed.

Additionally, the National Oceanographic and Atmospheric Administration has decreased funding for the National Tsunami Hazard Mitigation Program, which pays for the majority of states’ tsunami risk reduction work.

On top of that, NOAA laid off the National Weather Service’s tsunami program manager, Corina Allen, as part of the Trump administration’s firing of probationary workers in February, according to Harold Tobin, the Washington state seismologist. A

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They really took a wrecking ball to the government but it's not like we were not warned.

Two courts urge ICE to halt deportation of man wrongfully imprisoned for more than 40 years​

Two different courts have called on immigration officials to halt deportation of a Pennsylvania man who spent more than 40 years in prison for a murder conviction that was recently overturned.

Subramanyam Vedam, 64, was brought to the United States by his parents when he was nine months old. Vedam is a legal permanent resident

He is currently being held in a short-term center in Alexandria, Louisiana, which is equipped with an airstrip for deportations.

He has maintained his innocence in the murder case throughout his time in prison and his conviction was overturned this year. He was released from state prison on 3 October only to be taken straight into immigration custody.

Immigration and Customs Enforcement is seeking to deport Vedam over his no contest plea to charges of LSD delivery, filed when he was about 20.

“Having a single conviction vacated will not stop ICE’s enforcement of the federal immigration law,” Tricia McLaughlin, assistant secretary for public affairs, said in an email.

Editing federal employees’ emails to blame Democrats for shutdown violated their First Amendment rights, judge says​

A federal judge ruled Friday that the Department of Education violated the First Amendment rights of some agency employees when it sent out-of-office messages on their behalf that blamed Democrats for the government shutdown.

The ruling from US District Judge Christopher Cooper is the latest court rebuke of controversial moves by the Trump administration during what has now become the longest shutdown in US history.

Cooper permanently barred the administration from “modifying furloughed employees’ out-of-office e-mail messages to include partisan speech” for all members of the union American Federation of Government Employees.

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A good video about the unreliability of radiometric dating.

Michie said:

Open coffin and chaplain in a Dracula cape: Church receives hate comments for "Halloween service"

A Halloween service with an open coffin, artificial fog, and a chaplain in a Dracula cape: This pleased around 50 residents of Freising – and angered many others.



But the Latin Mass is the problem



Halloween and the Catholic Church, do they somehow go together? Yes, says Freising parish vicar Michael Korell, pointing to the Catholic origins of the evening before All Saints' Day and therefore advocating for a "Halloween service" on October 31 in the Mortuary chapel at St. George's Cemetery. With plenty of artificial fog, a semi-open coffin, and a touch of spooky atmosphere.

Under the Dracula cape, Chaplain Michael Korell wore his official vestments.

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.... That's interesting. I'm not sure that this form of 'seeker friendly' service really does the job or represents the appropriate awareness of sanctity. But that's just my comment in passing.

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Bringing peace into several cities

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You have got to be kidding.

Gregory Thompson said:

The book also says those who add to the words of the book will have plagues in it added to them, and those who take away from the words, the blessings will be taken away.

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I'm not re-writing the bible into my own translation and then handing that out to the public... I'm trying to figure stuff out and I think you're misinterpreting that. Based on your own stance for this, because I think you're misinterpreting this verse, I could give you the same warning. See why you shouldn't do that? Going around telling everyone they'll have the 10 plagues of Egypt when they're trying to understand scripture, is going to put them off from even trying in the first place. You are literally fear-mongering to silence alternative interpretations which is seriously vile misuse of scripture.

Gregory Thompson said:

That's what the scripture verse says: Men not defiled by women.

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We'll have to agree to disagree because there's symbolic queues for me to interpret this not literally.

Gregory Thompson said:

The mirror to the tribes is the disciples of the original 12 apostles.

All who believe fit under one of these.

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That has nothing to do with the tribe list of Revelation though. OT sure, but not this one.

All in all, we will have to agree to disagree.

The Barbarian said:

Of course it's significant. But we have evidence of human structures earlier than that. I don't think anyone was surprised that humans would stay in a place that had all the resources they needed, or that they'd be making tools, possibly for trade. Interesting, but not a surprising find.

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Environmental conditions changed dramtically over the time for which the site was occupied and tool use continued. A more reasonable expectation is that as the environment changed the population would move in order to remain in one where the conditions were ones they were familiar with. I understand such shifts are observed today and have been identified in the past. As such, describing this continuity as surprising seems a reasonable position, though I would prefer unexpected - it's less emotive.

FredVB said:

We should see the administration of this country, America, is pushing things recklessly and it would come to disasters, so easily.

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It, like other nations and even thre institutional church, always have, seeking to fit into the ways of the world and teaching self-interest, adversity to the will of God rather than the ways of the Kingdom. All self oriented.

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Amen.
I don't see why that would be a problem, but both sides of the debate are pretty well hashed out in material you can find online. Just don't expect them to change their minds.
I found a church that still honors head covering in Orthodoxy. That's pretty far off from Plymouth Brethren, but you should know that there are other options outside of them.

For me, it's pretty clear that effectively all Christians up until 1960 or so weren't mistaken about what St. Paul meant, and that arguments about the passage being figurative or even based on an erroneous belief about hair being a reproductive organ are just modern post hoc rationalizations for a result of the feminist movement and a general loss of modesty in modern culture.

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Took the words out of my mouth.

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That is what you think it says, but it doesn't. As long as you do not recognize there are different groups of believers in Scripture, you keep mixing them up which creates an unrecognizable mix. Paul speaks in his first seven letters to those — both Jews and Gentiles — who are blessed WITH Abraham in contrast to Israel who are blessed IN Abraham. These are the ones who through faith became sons of God.

Since only some of the Jews belonged to the heavenly group, Peter feared their judgment of those who were still child of God.

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And have you ever read ACTS 28: 25-28 and EXPLAIN VERSES IN ISA 6:2

And then explain Isa. 6:5-13 AND who. is Isaiah. speaking too ??

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The Bible is an ongoing record of God's frustrations and His plan to deal with the rebellious who prefer an adversarial spirit to following His will as we learn to participate as aware workers in a creation that is necessarily built upon opposites including good and evil. It is still ongoing, even if the church insists they are the end all in instruction, even as they reject the Kingdom themselves for the adversarial world of man. We are at a stage now where we are personally given a chance to repent of man's and elohim's adversarial ways and join the Kingdom before the end of our personal age, showing our worthiness for the next step in creation. Manu may think they have applied but few understand the process. It started before the earth was formed and will continue when it is gone.

I'm at the Library again today!! ^w^

And Happy Sabbath Day!! ^w^ Thank You God!!

I pray that God would comfort your niece and take away her depression. I pray that God would give your niece a desire to keep living for Christ and would find the counseling she needs for her. I also pray that God would be with her sister, take away her anxiety, and help her to avoid alcohol consumption. In Jesus' name, amen.

I pray that God would help you to manage the higher workload and that leaders in your company would notice your responsibility and reward you for it. In Jesus' name, amen.

I pray that God will help you to develop a heathy relationship to food and eating. I also pray that God would comfort and strengthen you in the face of disturbing world events. In Jesus' name, amen.

I pray that God would grant both justice and mercy in Israel. In Jesus' name, amen.

A difference of religion is always pernicious, and often fatal, to the harmony of the prince and people: the Gothic conqueror had been educated in the profession of Arianism, and Italy was devoutly attached to the Nicene faith. But the persuasion of Theodoric was not infected by zeal; and he piously adhered to the heresy of his fathers, without condescending to balance the subtile arguments of theological metaphysics. Satisfied with the private toleration of his Arian sectaries, he justly conceived himself to be the guardian of the public worship, and his external reverence for a superstition which he despised, may have nourished in his mind the salutary indifference of a statesman or philosopher. The Catholics of his dominions acknowledged, perhaps with reluctance, the peace of the church; their clergy, according to the degrees of rank or merit, were honorably entertained in the palace of Theodoric; he esteemed the living sanctity of Cæsarius and Epiphanius, the orthodox bishops of Arles and Pavia; and presented a decent offering on the tomb of St. Peter, without any scrupulous inquiry into the creed of the apostle.. His favorite Goths, and even his mother, were permitted to retain or embrace the Athanasian faith, and his long reign could not afford the example of an Italian Catholic, who, either from choice or compulsion, had deviated into the religion of the conqueror. The people, and the Barbarians themselves, were edified by the pomp and order of religious worship; the magistrates were instructed to defend the just immunities of ecclesiastical persons and possessions; the bishops held their synods, the metropolitans exercised their jurisdiction, and the privileges of sanctuary were maintained or moderated according to the spirit of the Roman jurisprudence. With the protection, Theodoric assumed the legal supremacy, of the church; and his firm administration restored or extended some useful prerogatives which had been neglected by the feeble emperors of the West. He was not ignorant of the dignity and importance of the Roman pontiff, to whom the venerable name of Pope was now appropriated. The peace or the revolt of Italy might depend on the character of a wealthy and popular bishop, who claimed such ample dominion both in heaven and earth; who had been declared in a numerous synod to be pure from all sin, and exempt from all judgment. When the chair of St. Peter was disputed by Symmachus and Laurence, they appeared at his summons before the tribunal of an Arian monarch, and he confirmed the election of the most worthy or the most obsequious candidate. At the end of his life, in a moment of jealousy and resentment, he prevented the choice of the Romans, by nominating a pope in the palace of Ravenna. The danger and furious contests of a schism were mildly restrained, and the last decree of the senate was enacted to extinguish, if it were possible, the scandalous venality of the papal elections.

I have descanted with pleasure on the fortunate condition of Italy; but our fancy must not hastily conceive that the golden age of the poets, a race of men without vice or misery, was realized under the Gothic conquest. The fair prospect was sometimes overcast with clouds; the wisdom of Theodoric might be deceived, his power might be resisted and the declining age of the monarch was sullied with popular hatred and patrician blood. In the first insolence of victory, he had been tempted to deprive the whole party of Odoacer of the civil and even the natural rights of society; a tax unseasonably imposed after the calamities of war, would have crushed the rising agriculture of Liguria; a rigid preemption of corn, which was intended for the public relief, must have aggravated the distress of Campania. These dangerous projects were defeated by the virtue and eloquence of Epiphanius and Boethius, who, in the presence of Theodoric himself, successfully pleaded the cause of the people: but if the royal ear was open to the voice of truth, a saint and a philosopher are not always to be found at the ear of kings. The privileges of rank, or office, or favor, were too frequently abused by Italian fraud and Gothic violence, and the avarice of the king’s nephew was publicly exposed, at first by the usurpation, and afterwards by the restitution of the estates which he had unjustly extorted from his Tuscan neighbors. Two hundred thousand Barbarians, formidable even to their master, were seated in the heart of Italy; they indignantly supported the restraints of peace and discipline; the disorders of their march were always felt and sometimes compensated; and where it was dangerous to punish, it might be prudent to dissemble, the sallies of their native fierceness. When the indulgence of Theodoric had remitted two thirds of the Ligurian tribute, he condescended to explain the difficulties of his situation, and to lament the heavy though inevitable burdens which he imposed on his subjects for their own defence. These ungrateful subjects could never be cordially reconciled to the origin, the religion, or even the virtues of the Gothic conqueror; past calamities were forgotten, and the sense or suspicion of injuries was rendered still more exquisite by the present felicity of the times.

Even the religious toleration which Theodoric had the glory of introducing into the Christian world, was painful and offensive to the orthodox zeal of the Italians. They respected the armed heresy of the Goths; but their pious rage was safely pointed against the rich and defenceless Jews, who had formed their establishments at Naples, Rome, Ravenna, Milan, and Genoa, for the benefit of trade, and under the sanction of the laws. Their persons were insulted, their effects were pillaged, and their synagogues were burned by the mad populace of Ravenna and Rome, inflamed, as it should seem, by the most frivolous or extravagant pretences. The government which could neglect, would have deserved such an outrage. A legal inquiry was instantly directed; and as the authors of the tumult had escaped in the crowd, the whole community was condemned to repair the damage; and the obstinate bigots, who refused their contributions, were whipped through the streets by the hand of the executioner. This simple act of justice exasperated the discontent of the Catholics, who applauded the merit and patience of these holy confessors. Three hundred pulpits deplored the persecution of the church; and if the chapel of St. Stephen at Verona was demolished by the command of Theodoric, it is probable that some miracle hostile to his name and dignity had been performed on that sacred theatre. At the close of a glorious life, the king of Italy discovered that he had excited the hatred of a people whose happiness he had so assiduously labored to promote; and his mind was soured by indignation, jealousy, and the bitterness of unrequited love. The Gothic conqueror condescended to disarm the unwarlike natives of Italy, interdicting all weapons of offence, and excepting only a small knife for domestic use. The deliverer of Rome was accused of conspiring with the vilest informers against the lives of senators whom he suspected of a secret and treasonable correspondence with the Byzantine court. After the death of Anastasius, the diadem had been placed on the head of a feeble old man; but the powers of government were assumed by his nephew Justinian, who already meditated the extirpation of heresy, and the conquest of Italy and Africa. A rigorous law, which was published at Constantinople, to reduce the Arians by the dread of punishment within the pale of the church, awakened the just resentment of Theodoric, who claimed for his distressed brethren of the East the same indulgence which he had so long granted to the Catholics of his dominions. At his stern command, the Roman pontiff, with four illustrious senators, embarked on an embassy, of which he must have alike dreaded the failure or the success. The singular veneration shown to the first pope who had visited Constantinople was punished as a crime by his jealous monarch; the artful or peremptory refusal of the Byzantine court might excuse an equal, and would provoke a larger, measure of retaliation; and a mandate was prepared in Italy, to prohibit, after a stated day, the exercise of the Catholic worship. By the bigotry of his subjects and enemies, the most tolerant of princes was driven to the brink of persecution; and the life of Theodoric was too long, since he lived to condemn the virtue of Boethius and Symmachus. (The History of the decline and Fall of the Roman Empire, Vol. 4, Chap. 39, pgs. 153 - 158 of the Everyman's Library edition)

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Converted Barbarians more tolerant than apostate political Christianity. Ever struggling and bickering among and with the kings and politics of this world for dominion, rather than preaching the gospel of God’s Kingdom through Christ Jesus our Lord unto salvation. Calling the faithful out of the unending strife, war, and bloodshed of this world concerning who will be in power to effectively abuse and live off and upon the backs of the masses, rather than joining in with all of the same. Thereby becoming the persecutors rather than the persecuted our Lord prophesied His true followers would have to endure.

Mat 7:15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. 16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles? 17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit. 18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. 19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire. 20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.

Jhn 16:1 These things have I spoken unto you, that ye should not be offended. 2 They shall put you out of the synagogues: yea, the time cometh, that whosoever killeth you will think that he doeth God service. 3 And these things will they do unto you, because they have not known the Father, nor me.

I pray that God would provide a way for you and your fiancé's financial needs to be met. I also pray that the peace of God would replace any fear that you have. In Jesus' name, amen.

I would quote the article, but instead I shall just warn those who are Roman Catholic that some of it is rather one-sided and scathing...

Protestant group fires off complaint to King Charles III over papal prayer service -
Protestant group fires off complaint to King Charles III over papal prayer service

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Not all things can be addressed early but things like screenings and staying generally healthy weight, diet things like that can be.

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That was one of the strengths of the ACA - it made preventive care, including annual checkups and vaccines, be included in any covered insurance plan.