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Trump pardons Giuliani, Sidney Powell, John Eastman, Mark Meadows, all fake electors for their attempt to overturn 2020 election, pardon official says

Yes ... our elections should be a high priority and everything possible should be put in place to ward off "interference" and so far that has not been done. Ending mail in voting and requiring proper ID would help.
Neither would help.
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Refuting Losing Salvation!

We are "walking as He walked" (1Jo 2:6), when we are about the Father's business (Luk 2:49).
According to the Scriptures, we walk as He walked when we follow in His example that He set forth for us 1John2:6 1 Peter 2:21-22 So how did Jesus live what did He teach this is the faith we are to have, not just faith in Jesus, but the faith of Jesus Rev14:12
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The 2025 Government Shutdown Thread

Have you considered smaller insurers?
Smaller insurers have a smaller risk pool by nature. Therefore, they must either be very choosy about who they accept (which is problematic for people with, say, pre-existing conditions) or charge a lot of money for their premiums because they lack the leverage to negotiate with providers and don't have a large pool of insured individuals to spread costs among. While they might be a good option for some people, they can't (and won't) insure everyone.
Free competition is the key,
The problem is that health insurance (and healthcare in general) doesn't operate on free market principles. You can't shop around for the best price or highest-rated hospital when you're having a heart attack or you suddenly go into labor or you run over your foot with a lawnmower. On the insurance side of things, as I said, smaller companies have to cut coverage or limit access in order to compete on price with the giant conglomerates. While that may look like a "free market" at a glance, offering lesser coverage (e.g. a catastrophic coverage policy rather than full coverage) or blocking the guy who has a family history of colon cancer is not something that we should be aspiring to.

Realistically, if you have the principle that everyone should receive medical care if and when they need it, the only thing that makes sense is a single-payer, government-run system.
Blacks Lives Matter, for example, can offer their members health care and share the cost between members. They can cap the salary of a CEO at $100,000 and put it in their bylaws that every employee must make at least half of the salary of the CEO in order to keep costs affordable for patients. Anyone can incorporate and offer those same salaries and go into health insurance only, with a goal of making health insurance affordable for everyone.
What's the incentive for that? The government has a good reason to want a healthy population, but a private corporation? Please. Moreover, it's far from simple to run such a company.
A person should be able to CHOOSE insurance from companies other than the ones Obama and Pelosi decided to favor.
The ACA does not restrict what companies are permitted to participate in the marketplace. They must offer plans that meet certain standards (e.g. no rejecting people based on pre-existing conditions, no lifetime benefit caps, etc), but there's nothing that says that Joe & Mary's Family Insurance Co. can't list their plans on the marketplace. The main reason why you only see plans from the "big, fat, rich insurance companies" on the marketplace is because they have a huge risk pool, and thus can offer better rates for plans that meet the ACA standard. And people buying their plans on the marketplace are going to look at two seemingly identical plans and pick the one that costs $500 less per month.
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Federal judges block Texas from using its new US House map in the 2026 midterms

Some tidbits from the outvoted 5th Circuit judge

When a judge warns readers to “Fasten your seatbelts!” before a 104-page legal diatribe — best to buckle up.

[Judge Jerry] Smith, on the losing end of that 2-1 ruling, attacked the plaintiffs as tools of left-wing donors George and Alex Soros, who featured at least 17 times in the ruling.

While dissenting judges typically refer obliquely to the “majority” opinion, Smith’s relentlessly personal and withering opinion [used opinion author Judge] Brown’s name more than 360 times, often accompanied by colorful insults.

Smith lit into Brown as an “unskilled magician” who “prefers living in fantasyland.” Smith said Brown committed “pernicious judicial misbehavior” by racing to issue his opinion. Brown emphasized [this] was intended to allow Texas leaders to return to the state’s earlier congressional boundaries before a Dec. 8 deadline for candidates to declare their bids for Congress.

“Whether Judge Brown likes it, gravity exists,” Smith wrote.

Although judges typically couch their deliberations in a veil of secrecy, Smith revealed them in great detail, even quoting from the text of email exchanges with Brown as the ruling was being prepared.
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Anti-Muslim Bigotry Directed at Mamdani

I'm not all that concerned about "the Islam" factor of Mamdani.

If he was actually devout, then that may be some cause for concern, but given his political stances (both social and economic) he's clearly not a devout adherent to Islam.

In that debate between him, Cuomo, and that "Guardian Angel" wanna-be, he openly admitted to patronizing legal pot dispensaries, and his position on LGBTQ issues are pretty well-known, so clearly he's not that "strict".
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Did the beginning of the IDL change the beginning of the Jewish Sabbath?

Two people celebrating the Sabbath together in the Holy land. Then one travels west, the other travels east.

The one traveling west will celebrate about an hour later for each thousand miles they travel. The one traveling east, about an hour earlier.

When they meet up on the opposite side of the earth, they will be celebrating the Sabbath a day apart.

I love you all!
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Sophie Turner warns assisted dying bill could lead to people with eating disorders taking their own lives even when they might be able to recover

We're praying in Church, for it not to become law, and I've written to my MP twice, urging him to vote against it. I know others have written too. There are some of us in England and Wales who see the dangers of it going ahead, including many medical personnel and disability groups.
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Florida congressman investigated for alleged DC assault as police probe their own handling

Nancy Mace moves to force vote on censuring Cory Mills

Rep. Nancy Mace (R-S.C.) introduced a resolution to censure fellow Republican Rep. Cory Mills (Fla.) and remove him from committees Wednesday, listing allegations of harassment, assault, stolen valor and improper contracts by his arms sales company.

Mills has been at the center of numerous personal controversies this year. [stuff in posts #1 and #3]

Mace’s censure resolution references reporting in The Daytona Beach News-Journal questioning how and why he was awarded a Bronze Star, with two service members “disputing that Mills was involved in their rescue or provided live-saving care.”

And finally, Mace’s resolution notes Mills is under investigation by the House Ethics Committee after the Office of Congressional Conduct found that his companies “may have entered into, held, or enjoyed contracts with federal agencies while he was a Member of Congress in violation of House rules, standards of conduct, and federal law.”
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Dick Cheney, influential Republican vice president to George W. Bush, dies

Dick Cheney funeral: Biden to attend, Bush to deliver tribute

The service is being held Thursday at the National Cathedral.

Former President George W. Bush, who Cheney served for two terms, will offer a tribute at the service. According to the cathedral's program, Cheney's daughter, former congresswoman Liz Cheney, and his grandchildren will also give remarks.
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Cursed is the heart of this people

If you have a point to make please do so.

Ok I’ll give you some clues. Byzantine Emperor. His name means man. As in, See the man. Or, See, the man. Also, by mere happenstance and completely unrelated, a king of Jerusalem died at the same time.
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What's on your mind?

Is that bad?
Do you donate plasma often?

Usually, I'm in the donation bed for over an hour. I knew it was going like crazy, and the nurse told me it was done in forty-eight minutes flat today. It was a new nurse poking my arm that I had never seen or dealt with before. Whatever she did, it really worked. :D I donate as often as my left arm will cooperate. My right arm isn't usable at all, which sucks for being left-handed, haha. If the donation doesn't go through to completion, a full two-month wait is required, and I have more of those than I care for. I am trying to do it every two weeks now or so, more than the required seven-day interval.
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The rise of menace as a mainstream political tool

University of Wisconsin Police investigating stickers promoting violence against ICE


The University of Wisconsin-Madison Police are investigating stickers that appeared on campus encouraging violence against federal immigration agents.

Republicans are pointing to the imagery as another example of the hostile climate conservatives face on college campuses.
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Do the Ten Commandments still apply under the new covenant today?

And how will you explain how anyone can be saved by the NEW COVENANT TODAY ??

And explain Heb 9:18. !!

And when. do you believe the BLOOD of Christ BEGAN. to saved anyone ??

dan p
Jesus brought grace when he came in the flesh, but example of grace was in the days of Noah. But Noah found grace in the eyes of the LORD. (Genesis 6:8), And Noah and his family was saved. Not save from eternal life, but saved from the flood. This is why Jesus had to come. Paul says in Hebrews 9: 24 For Christ is not entered into the holy places made with hands, which are the figures of the true; but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us: 26 for then must he often have suffered since the foundation of the world: but now once in the end of the world hath he appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself.

Now Paul said in (Rom. 3:23-25) (v.23) For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God. (v.24) Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:

(v.25) Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God.

So the bible tells you to repent and be baptized in the name of Jesus for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost." (Acts 2 :36-38). And by doing so you come up under his precious blood and then you are saved from your sins that are past, not present or future sins but for sins that are past. We were all locked under death by Adam’s sin, even the second death, which is the lake of fire. But when Jesus became (he was God in the beginning) man and died for the sins of the world, he gave us access back to the tree of life (himself) which Adam had caused us to lose. That’s what grace is, our free gift our access back to the tree of life but that’s another lesson for another time.

So by coming under the blood of Jesus being baptize, you are saved from your past sins. And if you are saved now, it is on a day to day basis. Because for all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God (Romans 23:3), and if you continue to live you will sin again.

When the bible speaks of laws we no longer have to keep, it is speaking of the sacrificial laws and Priesthood laws. These animal sacrificial laws were a school master pointing us to the fact that Jesus would be sacrificed for our sins. Since Jesus died we are no longer under a school master, (required to offer up bulls and goats for our sins). Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith. This animal sacrificial law was only a schoolmaster.(Gal 3:24)

Now we must believe (have faith) Jesus died for us (Hebrews 10:4,9-10) 4 For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins. 9 then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second. 10 By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.

This doesn't mean we don't have to obey God's moral laws of conduct. That would be like a man getting paroled from prison and then ignoring the same laws that sent him to prison in the first place. Jesus only died once, so if we willingly break God's law, after accepting Jesus, our reward will be eternal damnation

It is the willful sinning that you need to put in check. For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, but a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries. (Hebrew 10: 26, 27)
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How Pope Leo XIV typically spends his day off

In reply to journalists’ questions last night as he left Castel Gandolfo, which he now regularly visits, Pope Leo XIV described what his typical Tuesday day off is like.

The pontiff shared that he does “a little reading, a little work. Every day there is correspondence, phone calls; there are some matters that are perhaps more important, more recent. A little tennis, a little swimming.”

A passionate tennis fan since childhood, the Holy Father in May received at the Vatican Italian tennis player Jannik Sinner, currently ranked second in the world (behind Carlos Alcaraz) and at that time was ranked first.

When asked why he needs these moments of rest, Leo XIV emphasized on Nov. 19 that “to take good care of yourself, human beings… everyone, should do some activity for the body, the soul, all together.”

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New immersive Shroud of Turin museum opens in Southern California

“The Shroud of Turin: An Immersive Experience,” a $5 million, 10,000-square-foot museum on the chancery campus of the Diocese of Orange in Southern California, opened to visitors Wednesday.

The museum is presented by Papaian Studios in partnership with the Diocese of Orange and Othonia Inc., an international team of specialists dedicated to exploring and sharing the mystery of the Shroud of Turin.

The 90-minute experience introduces visitors to the life, death, and resurrection of Jesus Christ, with a special focus on the Shroud of Turin, which many believe to be the burial cloth of Christ.

Inspired by the advanced technology incorporated in “Van Gogh Exhibition: The Immersive Experience” and the “Immersive King Tut,” the museum features 360-degree projection-room theaters as well as shroud replicas, interactive kiosks, a life-sized corpus, and a variety of artwork.

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Anyone up for a chat thread?

Some HVAC guys came and installed my new furnace today. The fired it up and it was LOUD. I asked, "Is it supposed to be that loud?" The main guy was like, "No. I think I messed something up when I wired it. Let me check the manual."

Looking at the manual. What a novel idea.
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The Peoples Devising a Vain Thing

“Why are the nations in an uproar
And the peoples devising a vain thing?
The kings of the earth take their stand
And the rulers take counsel together
Against the Lord and against His Anointed, saying,
‘Let us tear their fetters apart
And cast away their cords from us!’” (Psalm 2:1-3 NASB1995)

What does this look like in our world today? And what does it look like in the USA where I live? I don’t have enough knowledge to answer the first question as well as I would like, but I do know that Christians are being persecuted for their faith in Jesus Christ and for their testimonies for him in nations all over the globe. But the persecution of Christians can take on many different forms depending on where people are located throughout the earth. For not all persecution is physical. Much of it is intimidation.

In the USA where I live, physical persecution is not common, although I cannot say that it does not exist. The persecution here is primarily via intimidation, i.e. via shaming, mocking, rejecting, opposing, and casting aside as unnecessary and as unwanted all who stand on the truth of the gospel message, who will not compromise with the world, and who expose the fruitless deeds of darkness for what they are. For we don’t fit in with the modern notion of what it looks like to be a believer in Jesus Christ.

Therefore, the nations in an uproar, and the peoples devising a vain thing here in the USA can include many people who profess faith in Jesus Christ and those who promote Jesus as Lord and Savior, and who push the need to believe in Jesus and to become a Christian. And there seems to be a huge push in today’s culture to believe in Jesus and to become a Christian. But there is a catch to it all. From what I have seen, most of them are not teaching the gospel of Christ but a gospel of man made to look good.

For the devil is very clever. So he created a Jesus and a gospel and a Christianity made to appear genuine, but altered to be more acceptable to human flesh and to the ungodly of the world. Therefore, he led many people who are professing faith in Jesus Christ to take many Scriptures out of context and to twist them and to make them say what they do not say if taught in the correct context, to make the lies he is spreading appear to be biblical truth, but they are not truth, but a mixture of lies and truth.

So, outwardly, we have the impression that this country, and other countries, too, are on fire for Jesus Christ, and that people by the thousands, and perhaps millions, are now believing in Jesus Christ for salvation from sin and for eternal life with God, and who are being publicly baptized with water in profession of their faith. And we are being given the impression that a great revival is breaking out because thousands upon thousands of people are gathering and they are singing songs of worship of our Lord.

Could some of this be genuine? Yes! But from all outward appearance, and from what gospel is being popularly taught these days, especially in these large gatherings, I would speculate that a lot of what is being made to look like biblical Christianity and genuine salvations and genuine worship of God is far from what the Scriptures teach if taught in their correct biblical context. For faith in Jesus must come from God, and it must be persuaded of God as to his holiness and of our sinfulness and of our need to die with Christ to sin and to now walk in obedience to our Lord’s commands.

We cannot just make a verbal confession of Christ as Savior and now we are saved and on our way to heaven. For if our faith in Jesus Christ is of God, and not of human flesh, it will result in us dying to sin and now walking (in conduct) in obedience to our Lord’s commands, in practice. And worship of God is not just singing songs of worship, but it is giving our lives to God as living sacrifices to God, holy and pleasing to him, in death to sin and walks of obedience, no longer to live as slaves to sin but as servants of the Lord.

But by the devil convincing the masses that all they have to do is to make a profession of faith in Jesus, in who he was/is, and in what he did in dying for our sin and rising from the dead, and that now all their sins are forgiven, and they are on their way to heaven, this is how the people are devising a vain thing, and many are taking their stand against the Lord by teaching lies as truth and truth as lies, and by turning many people to a false hope of salvation and eternal life with God, while hell and not heaven awaits them.

But Jesus Christ taught that to come to him we must deny self, take up our cross daily (die daily to sin), and follow (obey) him. For if we hold on to living in sin and for self, we will lose our lives for eternity. But if we deny self, die daily to sin, by the Spirit, and we walk in obedience to our Lord and to his commands, in his power, then we have eternal life with God. For not everyone who calls him “Lord” will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one DOING (obeying) the will of God (see Luke 9:23-26; Matthew 7:21-23).

[Matthew 7:13-14,21-23; Luke 9:23-26; John 10:27-30; Acts 26:18; Romans 1:18-32; Romans 2:5-10; Romans 3:23; Romans 6:1-23; Romans 8:1-14; 1 Corinthians 10:1-22; Galatians 5:16-24; Ephesians 2:8-10; Ephesians 4:17-32; Ephesians 5:3-6; Titus 2:11-14; Hebrews 3:1-19; Hebrews 4:1-13; Hebrews 10:19-39; Hebrews 12:1-2; 1 Peter 2:24; 1 John 1:1-10; 1 John 2:3-6; 1 John 3:4-10; Revelation 2:1-29; Revelation 3:1-22]

Have Thine Own Way, Lord

Words by Adelaide A. Pollard, 1907
Music by George C. Stebbins, 1907


Have Thine own way, Lord! Have Thine own way!
Thou art the potter, I am the clay.
Mold me and make me after Thy will,
While I am waiting, yielded and still.

Have Thine own way, Lord! Have Thine own way!
Search me and try me, Master, today!
Whiter than snow, Lord, wash me just now,
As in Thy presence humbly I bow.

Have Thine own way, Lord! Have Thine own way!
Wounded and weary, help me I pray!
Power, all power, surely is Thine!
Touch me and heal me, Savior divine!

Have Thine own way, Lord! Have Thine own way!
Hold o'er my being absolute sway.
Fill with Thy Spirit till all shall see
Christ only, always, living in me!

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The Peoples Devising a Vain Thing
An Original Work / November 19, 2025
Christ’s Free Servant, Sue J Love

Street Preaching

I used to believe they were nagging people
I have been told I am "yelling" and was seen screaming in people's faces that they need to get right with God. But there could be another man who was being obnoxious. And you need to do what God has you doing, and yes some counterfeit might be out there to give you a bad name. However, God guarantees He will produce His results of His ministry.

While ones might say I am bothering people by yelling near them, there have been ones who would walk right up by my face while I was speaking and maneuvering to keep clear of people's up-close ears. Even while I would maneuver, ones would still come right up to me and pass me. One time, a guy stood right behind me; I asked if he wanted anything, and he said he was listening; so I kept on.
always worth it even if it is annoying people.
People can object and others might stop to talk with me. Always, talking personally can take priority. Once, I was preaching in a deluge of rain, and a woman stood there with an umbrella until I was done.
Some people do better evangelizing and "preaching" in one on one conversations.
Yes, personally. Do what God has you doing.
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Am I Saved?

1 John 1:8-10
8 If we claim to be without sin, we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us. 9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness. 10 If we claim we have not sinned, we make him out to be a liar and his word is not in us.

1 John 3:6-10
6 No one who lives in him keeps on sinning. No one who continues to sin has either seen him or known him. 7 Dear children, do not let anyone lead you astray. The one who does what is right is righteous, just as he is righteous. 8 The one who does what is sinful is of the devil, because the devil has been sinning from the beginning. The reason the Son of God appeared was to destroy the devil’s work. 9 No one who is born of God will continue to sin, because God’s seed remains in them; they cannot go on sinning, because they have been born of God. 10 This is how we know who the children of God are and who the children of the devil are: Anyone who does not do what is right is not God’s child, nor is anyone who does not love their brother and sister.

I read this last night after a weekend of heavy drinking and eating.

This is not a habitual thing for me. I have drank less than 10 times this year but I have been struggling with overeating due to heavy restriction of calories, since the beginning of this year, in an effort to lose weight.

I have lost about 50 pounds and am only 10 pounds away from goal weight. But, the stress of it all (turning away all social engagements, business engagements, family time etc) causes me to overeat when I start to eat any sugary foods and drinking magnifies the craves and reduces all inhibition and self-control.

So, to my way of thinking, I am not only drinking to excess but then engaging in gluttony, or self sabotage or, I don't really know 100% what the exact sin would be but the action of drinking too much and then overeating seems sinful. Also, I don't view these things as glorifying God or being a light to unbelievers (my family) so it would seem to me that I am indeed sinning.

In an effort to understand, I read the above verses last night.

With regards to 1 John 1:8-10, I believe I am a sinner, have confessed my sins, asked for forgiveness and accepted Jesus Christ as my Lord and savior.

With regards to 1 John 3:6-10, sin is of the devil, and 'No one who is born of God will continue to sin, because God’s seed remains in them; they cannot go on sinning, because they have been born of God. 10 This is how we know who the children of God are and who the children of the devil are,'

Am I truly saved then if I continue to sin? Am I sinning? I have prayed and acknowledged that I'm not sure about either of these points but, really, I am sure I am saved because I have done what the Bible says saves us according to Romans 10:9-13:

9 If you declare with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. 10 For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you profess your faith and are saved. 11 As Scripture says, “Anyone who believes in him will never be put to shame.”[e] 12 For there is no difference between Jew and Gentile—the same Lord is Lord of all and richly blesses all who call on him, 13 for, “Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.”[f]

Any and all help is appreciated. On one hand, I feel broken hearted. I certainly do not want to be of the devil and I want to live my life for Christ and have assurance that I will be with Him when the time comes. On the other hand, I feel like I'm misunderstanding something and overreacting. On the other hand, I feel like I could want that to be the case because the consequences are devastating and I wouldn't know what the point of anything was anymore...

If you could help me, I would be forever grateful, thank you and God bless.
It's very good that you acknowledged you sins and you are seeking help.
Perhaps you are not associated with any Christian congregation that has a body of overseers that you can reach out to. Is that the case? James 5:14, 15
Is anyone among you sick? Let him call near the elders of the church, and let them pray over him, having anointed him with oil in the name of the Lord. And the prayer of faith will save the one ailing, and the Lord will raise him up, and if he might be one having committed sins, it will be forgiven him.
The shepherd are provided in his congregations to care for the flock, and to look after individual sheep that may be hurt, or in danger of becoming lost. They "watch over your souls". Hebrews 13:17

Without the assistance of the shepherds, a sheep can be lost entirely... especially if it is hurt.
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