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Hell doesn't exist as a concept in the bible and was man-made

The wicked shall be turned into hell and all the nations that forget God. Psalm 9:17

streams shall become pitch and the dust into brimstone. Isaiah 34:9

Who among us shall dwell with the consuming fire, who among us shall dwell with everlasting burnings? Isaiah 33:14

(The wicked) shall be ashes under your feet in the day that I do this says the Lord. Malachi 4:3-4

If any man will hurt them a fire proceeds out of their mouth... and if any man will hurt them they must in this manner be killed. Revelation 11:15

The beast and false prophet will hurt them and therefore must be killed by the fire that comes out of their mouth. In this we can see the creation of the lake of fire, it is first kindled by the two prophets, then by the Lord when He returns, He also spews fire from His mouth Revelation 19:21, and then the final fire from the Father Revelation 20:9 destroys the whole world, 2 Peter 3:8-12 Rev 21:1 this world becomes hell, the lake of fire, just as the was said in psalms 9:17.
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BUSTED - 12 False theories refuted:

Zechariah 5:1-4, describes what we know today as a ICBM rocket.
Zech 5:5-11, is not another different object. It goes on to tell about what that rocket has inside it.

Any other explanation, simply makes a mess of what Zechariah Prophesies.

That seems very unlikely, particularly given that ICBMs are smaller than the dimensions given, by a considerable measure, and also given that ICBM warheads do not use lead for shielding due to weight. Remember, they contain very little plutonium since most of the power is derived from a secondary thermonuclear explosion (which releases much less fall-out than a fission bomb if used in an airburst, while causing more destruction relative to the mass of the warhead).

Also most ICBMs have three or more warheads (known as MIRVs) that are launched in the same missile, which allow one ICBM to hit multiple targets.

Rather it is clear that St. Zechariah is speaking of the typological harlot of Babylon, the symbol of vice and idolatry (which contrary to popular belief has nothing to do with the Roman Catholic Church).

Also insofar as Baghdad is a major center of Aramaic speaking and Arabic speaking Christians, of the Syriac Orthodox Church, the Assyrian Church of the East, the Ancient Church of the East and the Chaldean Catholic Church, there would be no point in God allowing the modern city of Baghdad to be annihilated - it certainly does not meet the criteria of Sodom or Gomorrah. Indeed the Christians of Iraq are among the most righteous and persecuted in the world, with those in Mosul in particular enduring gruesome suffering during the reign of ISIS.
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The Fall of the West (It's Happening Now)

I wish God will change this country, but so far it looks like he is just allowing the evil and darkness to complete it's natural conclusion. The very sad part is a lot of it is being done on purpose and they are now very emboldened.

It might also well be too late unless there is a very radical event.

I'm glad for these threads because I am part of the same age group and at least good to know I'm not the only one in my boat that feels this way.
Its too late and was always going to be this way. In fact I believe it has taken a giant step towards that end. I can see it in my own lifetime in how people have rejected God and chaos has resulted.

But remember though God allows such things there is a limit. Remember S & G and even the Egyptians and even the Hebrews when they rejected God this set off a series of bad stuff happening. Usually it was through natural disasters. But I believe the earth is also moving towards this end and is groaning and shifting as evil is thrust upon it.

It all goes hand in hand and humans have cultivated their own destruction. We will see many great disasters even topling great idols and icons of the world. Eathquakes and eruptions as the earth shifts into a time of upheavel. But also fighting in the streets and rebellion and hate and chaos.

This is what happens when we reject God. Its always been the same and we can predict it. I think now in the west we have moved more away from God than at anytime since Christ. We are now in the Godless period once again.

But this time its Empire and perhaps even on a worldwide scale and not just a city or people warring. But there are dark principalities rising up against each other.

Christians are together and seperate from this in Christ. Like the early church under the Roman pagan world. We will be the light to the world in this in all this darkness.
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Sculpture of Trump strapped to cross goes on display in Switzerland: 'It's really scary'

This is just part of 'Anything Goes' culture. Its all justified as art and language and narratives. But its still promotes an untimely negative and bad image that can easily feed into the garbage narratives that end up being acted out in realife violence and murder.

I mean why was he wearing a mask lol. Obvious he does not want to be identified because he already has many after him lol. If I have a job or occupation that causes my life to be under threat and have to hide. I think he should find another job or subject lol.
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Where do you find joy in your life?

Having a creative hobby can bring you constant joy, even in adversity.
Cervantes wrote 'Don Quixote' while in prison, it would have been much more painful if he were not doing it.

Of course, the Christian faith & practices are the foundation of a joyful life.
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Cease With Evil, Now Do Good

I am reading in Isaiah, chapter 1. The people of God at that time, who lived in Judah and Jerusalem, were revolting against the Lord. They did not know God. They, as a nation, not necessarily including every individual, were a sinful nation, a people weighed down with iniquity. They were evildoers and those who acted corruptly; those who despised the Lord, who had turned away from him, and who were living in open rebellion against God.

And they were likened to being like the ancient cities Sodom and Gomorrah, the people of which were mostly known for being arrogant, complacent, idle, inhospitable, and unconcerned for the needy. And they were those who did detestable things which were morally disgusting to God, who engaged in sexual immorality and sexual perversion, including, and most well known for the abundance of their homosexuality, some or all of it forced upon others.

[Genesis 18:16-33; Genesis 19:1-29; Ezekiel 16:49-50; Jude 1:7]

Although they made physical sacrifices to the Lord as part of their religious rituals, their hearts were far from God. And so God was not pleased with their sacrifices, so he took no pleasure in them. For he saw their false acts of religious rituals as them trampling his courts. So, even though they spread out their hands in prayer to God, he would not listen to them, for he said that their hands were covered with blood (see Isaiah 1:1-15).

“Wash yourselves, make yourselves clean;
Remove the evil of your deeds from My sight.
Cease to do evil,
Learn to do good;
Seek justice,
Reprove the ruthless,
Defend the orphan,
Plead for the widow.
“Come now, and let us reason together,”
Says the Lord,
“Though your sins are as scarlet,
They will be as white as snow;
Though they are red like crimson,
They will be like wool.
“If you consent and obey,
You will eat the best of the land;
“But if you refuse and rebel,
You will be devoured by the sword.”
Truly, the mouth of the Lord has spoken.” (Isaiah 1:16-20 NASB1995)

And do you know that the gospel of our salvation, under the New Covenant, repeats the same basic message as what this is teaching? For, as those who profess faith in Jesus Christ we are to be those who were crucified with Christ in death to sin, and raised with Christ in newness of life in him, no longer to live as slaves to sin, but now as slaves to God and as servants of his righteousness in obedience to his commands. And we are to continue in obedience to our Lord and in putting sin to death in our lives, by the Spirit.

As those who proclaim Jesus as our Lord and Savior, we are no longer to be those for whom sin is our practice and for whom obedience to God is not our practice. We are daily to be putting sin to death, by the Spirit, and walking in obedience to our Lord and to his commands, in holy and righteous living, by the grace of God, and in the power of God. And we should now be those who are doing good in the sight of God. But if we refuse, and so we rebel against God, then according to the Scriptures, we will not have eternal life with God.

[Matthew 7:13-14,21-23; Luke 9:23-26; John 10:27-30; Acts 26:18; Romans 1:18-32; Romans 2:5-10; Romans 3:23; Romans 6:1-23; Romans 8:1-14; 1 Corinthians 10:1-22; Galatians 5:16-24; Ephesians 2:8-10; Ephesians 4:17-32; Ephesians 5:3-6; Titus 2:11-14; Hebrews 3:1-19; Hebrews 4:1-13; Hebrews 10:19-39; Hebrews 12:1-2; 1 Peter 2:24; 1 John 1:1-10; 1 John 2:3-6; 1 John 3:4-10; Revelation 2:1-29; Revelation 3:1-22]

Walking in The Light

Based off 1 John 1-2
An Original Work / November 16, 2011
Christ’s Free Servant, Sue J Love


When I lift up my voice, and
Sing praise unto God,
I will fellowship with my
Lord and Savior, King.
In Him there is no darkness.
He is in the light of truth.
If we walk in His light,
From sin He purifies.

If we repent of our sins,
He’ll forgive us now,
When we humble ourselves, and
Before Jesus bow.
The man who says, “I know Him,”
But does not obey His truth,
There is no truth in him.
In darkness still he’s found.

Do not love the world of sin,
For it is hell bound.
If you follow the world, you’ll
Not in Christ be found.
The world and its desires
Will not last; they’ll expire.
The one who does God’s will,
Receives eternal life.

See that what you have heard from
Christ remains in you.
Then, you’ll remain in Christ, and
In His Father, too.
This is what He promised us –
His eternal life with God.
So, continue in Him, and
You’ll receive a crown.

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Cease With Evil, Now Do Good
An Original Work / November 9, 2025
Christ’s Free Servant, Sue J Love

Right-wing media expresses concern about young women voters following Democratic election wins across the country

Perhaps the minimum age for voting should be raised for women.
Psychologists have proven females hit physical, mental and emotional maturity before males.
So perhaps---no definitely not.
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I can't handle it, is there any way to avert this mentality?

No need to be sorry LB. I get it. There just comes a point in time where we have to just go with the honor system. Be assured that the Lord knows. I’m one of those people that won’t take communion because I do not want to heap anymore condemnation on my head. I know there are a lot of Catholics that may not even be aware of that.
My friends’ husband never goes up to Communion because for some reason he won’t go to Confession.
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God's Olive tree awaits all nations to rejoin and meet his Son

Well for me in my life I go by (Galatians 3:28) that we are all equal before God, there is no Jew or Greek. God appears passionate about though about trying to call the Israelites which I will support him with, some may wonder why given history how they left him but that is what it looks like in the Bible. I love the lion of Judah really as that represents Jesus and David line roots as well. I find geography interesting, especially how the world was shaped and where my parents descend from. I cannot claim to be an expert on all the other tribes. My parents come from a country with tribes and I am not into them.
I have read that some say that Jesus will not return until more take up the Cross which I find interesting to.

I like Romans 11 and the image of the Olive tree. I have changed it to God's Olive as someone wrote. Some people may want to claim it for themselves though and their own portion.
We're one in Christ and equal before God (heart-to-God), but that doesn't mean there are not still different roles/responsibilities in this life. In Christ master and slave are one, but Paul still exhorts slaves to obey their earthly master, and masters to treat their slaves well and remember they also have a heavenly master. Man/woman are one in Christ but Paul and Peter still emphasise their asymmetric roles towards one another in marriage and in the Church. Being one in Christ does not mean we all have the same station or identical (earthly) obligations in life.

Israel is not an abandoned project by God.

Be blessed!
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A Trolling President?

Trump gets something that many miss: Those who voted for him enjoy the discomfort of the Left when he tweaks them and they jump on cue. Those who voted against the other candidate instead of for Trump enjoy it as well. I know an elderly couple who, on election night 2016, stayed up not for the returns but to watch the unhappiness of news anchors reporting the results. That was what they enjoyed seeing. They aren't alone. And that's how various mems about schadenfreude got to be a thing. The Left's not going to like what anyone on the Right does, anyway, whether they troll them or not.
Donald J. Trump could oversee and help find the cure for all cancer and the left would complain about that

I enjoyed watching the recent Nobel Peace Prize winner (Maria Machado From Venezuela), she dedicated the prize to President Trump knowing well he deserved it, showing herself receiving it was a big political disgrace to the deserving recipient Donald J. Trump
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Christian nationalism in Catholicism

Not for nothing but Taylor Marshall just put out a book called Christian Patriot, and I know he stresses the distinction between nationalism and patriotism, and says patriotism is a good whereas nationalism not so much. It's either problematic itself or can at least lead to other modes of thinking that are.
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Revelation 4 interpretation

Randy, the 24 elders were wearing crowns of gold - Revelation 4:4.

So I don't think they are angels, but significant figures in the bible who loved and worshiped God. We are not told each one's specific personal identity.

In Revelation 5:10, the 24 elders said...

10 And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.

So, I don't think the 24 elders are angels.
The symbolism carried by the 24 elders may symbolize something that they're doing on behalf of men, or they may be keys to identifying who they are. I happen to believe they are angels because I don't believe this heavenly scene conveys the presence of men, but rather, of angels in the millions, and probably many more.

In the OT we have the cherubim who are thought to be angels with special callings. And they also had appearances with symbolic inferences to men.

The cherubim in the garden of Eden were associated with a flaming sword that guarded the way to the Tree of Life. A sword infers a human weapon.

In Isa 6, seraphim had faces, feet, and carried a live coal in their hand. These anatomical features also infer something human.

In Eze 1, the cherubim had human faces and had feet that appeared like bronze. Again, the inference is human, though we know these were angelic creatures. The fact the cherubim in Rev 4 had crowns of gold infers something human, but is also likely angelic.

The centerpiece of the story of Revelation is the Lamb's sacrifice on behalf of men so that we may enter the Kingdom of heaven. So, these angels around the throne, including the cherubim, are carrying out acts on behalf of mankind, who were called from the beginning to rule on earth.

We are called to be lords, in a sense, over a chaotic earth, by remaining true to the judgment of God and true to the image of God for which we were created. Once man fell, it became the job of those redeemed by Christ to reflect God's truth and righteousness, through which He will judge the wicked earth.

Gen 1.26 Then God said, “Let us make mankind in our image, in our likeness, so that they may rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky, over the livestock and all the wild animals, and over all the creatures that move along the ground.”
27 So God created mankind in his own image,
in the image of God he created them;
male and female he created them.
28 God blessed them and said to them, “Be fruitful and increase in number; fill the earth and subdue it. Rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky and over every living creature that moves on the ground.”
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The Saving results of the Death of Christ !

What are you talking about? Who says "the means is strictly His regenerating them"?
Well, not according to me but I believe your theology maintains that a person is regenerated first? And then believes, repents, etc. as a result?
Are you intentionally being obstinate? You're not even listening to what it is I'm saying. Look at the verse:

"No one can come to me..."

That is a statement of inability, not unwillingness. How does one obtain the ability to come to Christ? The verse continues:

"...unless the Father... draws him."

So who is able to come to Christ? Those drawn, and only those drawn. If you are not drawn, you cannot come. You said, "He gives enough grace for them to come." Yes, that's called drawing:

"No one can come to me... unless the Father draws him."

If not A, then not B. If not drawn, then not able. The drawing is the grace of God that enables sinners to come to Him. So, is it possible for someone to come to Christ if the Father does not succeed in that enabling activity?
Why? Methinks you're the one being obstinate here. Enabling someoone to do something simply doesn't mean they'll do it! So of course the Father can enable without succeeding. I've worked with drug addicts and they can be given all the reason and means to change, but that doesn't mean they will. They have to want it, as we must with God once we see the treasure He offers, and then continue wanting it, continuing to value that treasure, to value Him and our relationship with Him.
What does the rest of the verse say?
The group He's speaking of: those who came, and in light of the fuller counsel of Scripture, remained and persevered to the end in doing good, being holy, producing good fruit etc, He will raise up.
I'm asking out of curiosity; the point isn't a relevant one. Plato is Classical, Modern is Modern. Neither is Koine. The language has changed significantly between those three periods. Words in Classical Greek frequently carry specialized meanings limited to philosophical contexts, and Modern Greek is even further removed, with vast lexical and semantic drift. Appealing to Modern Greek usage is like using Modern English to define the meaning of words in Shakespearean English. It's anachronistic.
But it's a case of a certain possible meaning from the two time periods I referred to, that sandwich the period in question, with both at least offering or establishing a reasonable pattern, while you've maintained that the word must adhere to a certain meaning only, without offering anything other than opinion as far as I know. Anyway, from my understanding, being no expert in either Greek or Plato, he said this in line 238 of Phaedrus as one instance of his use of the word:
"Now when opinion, guided by reason, leads and prevails, this is called temperance; but when desire, leading unreasonably and dragging (ἑλκούσης) us toward pleasures and having become the master within us, is given the name hubris (wantonness/arrogance)."
And in all of this you still fail to recognize that this whole line of argument -- trying to attach a softer meaning to ἑλκύω -- is undermining your position, not helping it.
Ok, except that I don't see how God, making it possible to come without making it inescapable, such that there's no excuse for a person to fail to come other than their own prideful willfull stubborness, and as if justice, itself, demands that they do come, that they accept the light after all He's shown and done for them, should be a problem with all of Scripture in general or specifically here as the word is used in the sense of "appeal", "coax", "persuade". Maybe you can point me to your post where you explained it and I'll reconsider.
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What Satire are You Reading?

Johann Weisman had everything: good income, status, and a life of extravagance. A celebrated doctor turned
businessman, he lived in a world where nothing came cheap. He scoffed at meals below $20, considering
them an insult to his refined palate.

One evening, to celebrate securing a new contract, Johann and his business partner Hans set out in search
of a fitting restaurant in Vienna. Their demanding tastes and fussiness turned the search into a prolonged
ordeal, as they scoured the city for an establishment that could match their impossibly high standards—even
though every venue they encountered was among the most expensive in town. They sneered at each upscale
spot, dismissing the polished menus and lavish decor as unworthy.

At one glittering venue with sky-high prices, Johann spat, "This dump has the unrefined charm of a grimy
cafeteria built for drifters," while Hans derided another, branding it "a pathetic food truck on wheels that dares to
charge extortionate rates." At yet another high-end restaurant, Johann smirked and added, "This looks like a place
for the homeless." Their disdain was palpable, their arrogance unrelenting.

After nearly 5 hours of scrutinizing menus and scoping out venues, they finally settled on an upscale location
that promised a first-rate experience. Bringing with them aged whiskey and expensive cigars, the pair were
preparing to indulge freely. But they were kicked out after only 20 minutes—abruptly told it was closing time.
They staggered out into the city streets, their judgment clouded by their revelry. They didn’t notice the black
van parked nearby until it was too late.
___________________________________________________________________________________________________________________

The van screeched forward, headlights blinding. Before Johann could react, rough hands yanked him back. A
hood was shoved over his head, muffling Hans’s protests as they struggled. Their kidnappers moved swiftly,
bundling Johann into the van while leaving Hans behind. Johann’s world blurred into darkness.
Johann’s new reality began in a dim room in the beautiful rural town of Bad Goisern on Lake Halstatt. His two
kidnappers' goal was to demand a ransom of 2 million.

The two kidnappers were Robert and Rune—known to their friends as Rob and Run. They sat slouched in the
dim room, their cigarettes dangling lazily from their fingers. A half-empty bag of fast food sat between them,
grease stains spreading across the table.

Rob: "After we get the money, we’ll be set for life. A life of eating and drinking without work...or learning,.... Just
happy days ahead."
Run: "Yeah....our dream lifestyle is not far away...Ha, ha..."
Then they started to laugh, which got louder and louder, their mouths stretching wide, exposing every inch of
their cigarette-stained front teeth.
________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________

Eventually, the kidnappers dragged themselves back to reality and walked into Johann’s room, the ransom
note clutched tightly in the first one's hand.

"Alright, doc," Rob said, leaning against the doorway with a smirk. "Time to make your family cough up the
cash. Two million bucks—that’s all we’re asking. Not too much."
Run chimed in, "Yeah, they’ll pay to get you back. I mean, who wouldn’t? You’re worth it, right?"
Johann, calm and composed, met their gaze. "My family’s wealth has declined a lot, We don’t even have two
thousand, let alone two million. They won’t pay you two million."
Rob and Run looked at each other for a while, then Rob’s smirk faltered, replaced by a confused frown. "What’re
you talking about? You’re rich!"
Johann: "You're wasting your time..."
The two kidnappers looked at each other, not knowing what to say.....


The two kidnappers grew increasingly frustrated. A few hours later, they inspected Johann's clothes and took
most of his money and valuables away, leaving only some coins.
Johann’s response remained unchanged, and boredom crept into the kidnappers’ routine, dulling their edge.
Cigarettes became their distraction, their escape from the monotony. They smoked constantly, the acrid fumes
filling the small room.

Noticing this, Johann attempted to turn the situation to his advantage. “This air,” he said one evening,
coughing dramatically. “It’s unhealthy. You’re smoking yourselves to death, and you’re taking me with you.”
The kidnappers laughed dismissively. “No, you’re bluffing, doc,” one of them sneered, exhaling a plume of
smoke. “We’ve been smoking our whole lives, and we’re fine. I don't think it's harmful.”
Johann frowned, retreating into silence. He bided his time, observing them as they grew more restless and
started chain-smoking even more.
Over the next few days, the smoke thickened, clinging to the air like a suffocating fog. Johann, who had been
coughing intermittently, noticed the kidnappers themselves beginning to cough more frequently. They rubbed
their throats, visibly annoyed.
Sensing his opportunity, Johann struck again. This time, his words carried more weight. “You see? Even you
can’t ignore it anymore. This air is toxic,” he rasped, clutching his chest. “It’s not just me—it’s affecting you
too.”
The kidnappers, though still skeptical, exchanged uneasy glances. Their growing discomfort validated
Johann’s claims, and he seized on their hesitation. “If I die,” he said weakly, “you lose everything. No ransom.
You’ll have nothing to show for your trouble. I need a specific medicine to counteract this.”
Their resolve finally faltered. Reluctant but desperate to keep him alive, they asked Johann what medicine he
needed. Johann provided them with a list of ingredients: vinegar, ground nutmeg, crushed chili peppers, and
adelwez. He explained that the ingredients must be cooked together and insisted the concoction be prepared
with all windows closed to retain potency.
Johann explained carefully, emphasizing that the ingredients must be cooked together in precise proportions
to ensure the mixture’s potency. He insisted the concoction be prepared with all windows tightly shut, claiming
that even the faintest draft could weaken its effectiveness.
Many people know it's dangerous to cook while closing all windows, but not them.
Knowing nothing of the risks, the kidnappers followed his instructions, bolting the windows and sealing every
crack.

The small, dimly lit room grew increasingly stifling, the air turning thick and oppressive. As the mixture simmered on their wood-burning stove, an ominous transformation began. A new toxic gas crept into the room, its presence subtle but a bit dangerous. Apart from that, the lack of ventilation caused carbon monoxide levels to rise imperceptibly, unnoticed by the kidnappers who remained focused on their ransom plans.
Johann, fully aware of the consequences, stayed low to the ground, breathing the marginally clearer air near
the bottom edge of the door. From his position, he watched intently as the effects of the gas began to take
hold. Gradually, their movements slowed, their once-brisk actions reduced to sluggish, clumsy gestures. Their
speech became slurred and incoherent, their heads drooping as if weighted down by invisible hands. Johann
remained still, his heart pounding, as the room sank into a suffocating silence.

One by one, they fainted. The older among them slumped heavily against the wall, his cigarette slipping from
his limp fingers to the floor below. The other stumbled forward, falling to his knees as he mumbled something
incomprehensible before collapsing in a motionless heap.
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Bless The Lord at All Times

Rabbi's Daily Devotion ...

BLESS THE LORD AT ALL TIMES

I will bless the Lord at all times; His praise shall continually be in my mouth.
—Psalm 34:1​

David resolved to praise his God “continually.” He awoke each morning with prayer and praise: “In the morning, O Lord, You will hear my voice; in the morning I will order my prayer to You and eagerly watch.”

I love that the priests of Israel were commanded to praise God every morning and evening: “They are to stand every morning to thank and to praise the Lord, and likewise at evening.” Our praise and prayer are to be perpetual, which means we must be bold enough to say, “Praise God,” in public. Through our praise, we become lights revealing Father to the world.

I realize there is a time and place for everything, but too often we aren’t conveying God’s praise to the world as we should. Beloved one, don’t let anyone keep you from acknowledging your Creator! David didn’t compartmentalize his life so that he only praised God in specific places or at certain times. All David’s talk was seasoned with praise to HaShem.

Likewise, we need to love God so much that we don’t hesitate to speak of His goodness. May His praise be continually in our mouths, for we “are a chosen race, a royal priesthood…a people for God’s own possession, so that [we] may proclaim the excellencies of Him who has called [us] out of darkness into His marvelous light.”
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Rabbi Kirt A. Schneider, Entering His Presence (Lake Mary, FL: Charisma House, 2023), Used by permission.

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