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Christmas and Legalism

The church is supposed to be 100% about Jesus always ... if it isn't find another church.
I agree! Sadly I think in the days we're living in many churches don't have a Biblical Worldview. As the bible says:

2 Timothy 3:1 But mark this: There will be terrible times in the last days.

I think many of the pagan things we see Christians fixating on in wintertime is a feature of the above verse.

God Bless :)
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Did Angels Mate with Human Women?

Genesis says the ’sons of God’ meet the ‘daughters of men,’ how do we interpret it?​


Recently, I’ve been looking at a mysterious passage in Genesis 6, at the beginning of the Flood narrative. In this passage, the “sons of God” marry “the daughters of men,” and the passage mentions a group of people known as the Nephilim.

I’ve been considering the following questions:

1) Who are the “sons of God” in this passage?

2) Who are the “daughters of men”?

3) Why does God say that man’s “days shall be 120 years”?

4) Who were the Nephilim?

5) What is the relationship linking the sons of God, the daughters of men, and the Nephilim?

6) Why does the text say the Nephilim were on the earth “in those days, and also afterward”?

7) Do these events have anything to do with the Great Flood, which this passage introduces?

In my first post, we answered Question 4 and saw that the Nephilim were a group of “giants” or unusually tall people (at least by ancient standards, when people were a lot shorter than they are today).

In a second post, we answered Questions 3, 5, and 6: it looks as though the 120 years was a grace period before God sent the Flood, the Nephilim were the children of the sons of God and the daughters of men, and they were on the earth both before and after the Flood because these groups mated twice.

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Denaturalization

I guess I really don't understand this "born again" thing, because I can't figure out why that would involve backing the State of Israel against your own country.
Actually, it doesn't matter. We all have the freedom to not support a war that the United States enters into. If the US invades Venezuela I have a right to oppose that war and protest against it. Why should a naturalized Venezuelan immigrant not have the same right?
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Why we are not supposed to keep the Sabbath

It’s really quite simple. Which laws, commandments, or statutes did Abraham keep? Book and verse please.

I just posted God's Own Words in which HE Himself told you what Laws, Commandments and Statutes Abraham obeyed. They were God's Laws, Commandments and Statutes. There are "many" who "Come in Christ's Name" that preach God didn't Give His Laws, Commandments and Statutes to Abraham. But according to Scripture, as anyone who cares to believe in this God can see, it is clear God gave His Laws to Abraham, and also to Abraham's Children when they had lost sight of them in Egypt.

If you want to know about God's Laws, you can go to the Holy Scriptures, and find them recorded by His Chosen Servants, Moses and the Prophets. There are many who refuse to hear them, so Jesus, to prepare me for them, had a parable written specifically for this circumstance.

Luke 16: 29 Abraham saith unto him, They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them. 30 And he said, Nay, father Abraham: but if one went unto them from the dead, they will repent. 31 And he said unto him, If they "hear not" Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.

Thank you Lord Jesus, for your guidance in this cursed world.
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Anybody know if Rob Reiner is okay?

A loving, very not inappropriate message from our President about this incident. Truly an example we should all strive for. Try not to cry from the outpouring of emotion.
We should flood his employer with emails asking for him to be fired for these appalling comments.
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State leaders speak out about plans to expand the Islamic Academy of Alabama

That is not my premise and you know it. By all three measures you provided, the number of Christians who desire to impose a Christian moral order on the US is about the same size as Trump's Christian base. But I understand why you need to misrepresent my position, because otherwise your argument atha a substantial percentage of Muslim immigrants want to impose Sharia law on the rest of us falls flat.
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The “True” Islam

The writings of Rémi Brague, winner of the 2012 Ratzinger Prize, about Islam offer the sort of unflinching and detailed analysis often missing from papal utterances.

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Lumen Gentium, the Dogmatic Constitution on the Church of Vatican II, states that the Mohammedans “profess their faith as the faith of Abraham, and with us they worship the one, merciful God who will judge men on the last day” (par 16).

At first sight, that statement appears friendly and matter-of-fact; the “faith” of Muslims is evidently thought to be the same “with us”. We “agree” about a last judgment and a merciful God who is one. This mutual understanding apparently comes from Abraham. This way of putting the issue argues for a common origin of Judaism, Christianity, and Islam, each of which “appeared” in history at different times—the New Testament some twelve hundred years after Abraham and Islam some seven hundred years after the time of Christ.

But when we examine what each tradition means by unity, worship, judgment, and mercy, we hesitate to affirm that they mean the same things by the same words. And the assumed agreement that God is one provides little basis for further agreement about what flows from it. Islam confronts religion and politics as we know them with questions of the true and the false, with questions of life and death. Seemingly both fascinated and paralyzed, we watch Christians and others killed or beheaded before our very eyes in the most brutal manner. The great Monastery of St. Elijah near Mosul in Iraq, dating from the 600s AD, was recently not just destroyed, but pulverized, not for any military reason but to erase any sign of historic Christian presence there. This is a foretaste of what will happen to other Christian churches and buildings if this Islamic expansion continues.

These killings and destructions are considered a judgment, so it is claimed, on a corrupt society that refuses to accept the will of Allah as the norm of how to live. We also hear of women molested even in front of European cathedrals as if such deeds are “rights”. Indeed, the women are said to be themselves the “causes” because they do not attire themselves as Muslim law requires everywhere. The victims thus cause the crimes, not the “true” believers who carry out the assaults.

We also know of blatant discrimination against non-Muslims in all Muslim lands. But again, this is said to be a “right” of every people to decide who is or is not a citizen and what its laws are. Nor are such brutal activities new or unjustified within Muslim thought. They have been present in one form or another ever since Islam began in the seventh century. There is a philosophic consistency about them. Many ways to come to terms with this abiding conduct, however, are currently proposed to render it less violent. Many, including Pope Francis (Evangelium Gaudium #253), maintain that the “true” Islam is “peaceful”; the “violence” is presented as an aberration unrelated to Islam, not the norm.

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American Catholics Overwhelmingly Disagree with Leo’s Attacks on Trump

Have you heard the news? The Trump coalition is breaking up. At least that is what the media is telling us. The New York Times, for instance, puts the breakup on podcasters fighting over the assassination of Charlie Kirk:

Kirk:

[Tucker Carlson’s] ongoing feud with fellow members of the Republican Party—and critics who have suggested he’s antisemitic—has been striking. This week it boiled over on one of the nation’s most popular podcasts, as a schism over the Charlie Kirk assassination continued to aggravate an already rattled Trumpworld coalition…​

Battle lines have also been deepening over the investigation of Mr. Kirk’s murder in September, which has been the subject of conspiracy theories, including those spread by Candace Owens, another prominent right-wing podcaster, who speculated about whether the shooter acted alone.

The Free Press, meanwhile, puts it on President Trump’s flip-flops over Jeffrey Epstein. Here’s the opener of their report on the ground in Marjorie Taylor Greene’s Georgia district:

RINGGOLD, Georgia—From behind the counter of a gas station, Lauren Epperson leaned over to tell me that she used to love President Donald Trump.
“Yep,” she said, smacking her lips. “Used to believe every word he said.”
Not anymore. The first nail in the coffin was Israel, which Epperson said she realized has been “blackmailing” the president and the entire federal government for decades. But the death knell was months of resistance by the president to releasing the federal government’s files on sex offender Jeffrey Epstein.
“I don’t like him anymore,” said Epperson, 41 and the mother of two kids, while counting bills near the cash register. Trump is “a sellout—just like all the people I’ve loved and voted for. Oh, they got me good.”
Guess who’s not breaking up with MAGA? Catholics! According to a recent EWTN poll, an extraordinary 67 percent of Mass-attending Catholics view President Trump “very or somewhat favorably.”

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Greetings my brothers and sisters in the faith

Greetings my brothers and sisters in the faith, I hope all is well. I have become affiliated with this forum as of this day and wish to make some friends who are fellow believers. I hope we become well acquainted and form lasting bonds between us believers. I greet all the brethren, this letter was typed by own hand. Grace be with thee. Amen.

Lindsey Halligan, and the dog that ate the transcript.

A different problem is the use of privileged information used to inform the indictment. The prosecutor's office used information gained from Comey's lawyer (obtained in a different case) against him...
Was that a premise used by the court that dismissed the case WITHOUT prejudice??
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Hunt for Brown University shooting suspect underway

" So they got whacked by the Islamists." isn't an opinion, it's a statement. Even with your edit that's still a statement, that isn't (as far as I know) backed up by anything. Hence, disinformation.

Oh, okay. Even though the first word in the sentence is "maybe". Your apparent obsession with disinformation is absurd.
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Trump administration says sign language services ‘intrude’ on Trump’s ability to control his image

Correct, because when an elected official is giving an address or a presser, that official should be the center of attention.


If I was hired to play background guitar at a wedding, and during the first Bride/Groom dance (where all of the attention is supposed to be on them), I broke into a solo and started doing Pete Townsend style windmill guitar strums on the stage right behind them (and everyone started watching me), that would be rightfully viewed as "making it about my thing" instead of merely supplementing the content that's supposed to be the focus of attention.
They can hire an ASL person who doesn't showboat. Problem solved.
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Judge dismisses James Comey and Letitia James cases, finding prosecutor's appointment invalid

I thought I said they "likely" voted for him because of something... I never said they "exactly" voted for him because of something...

Since those are not the same, then I am okay if @A2SG does not extend an apology for misrepresenting what I posted. I will still love you, good friend. Even tho you esteem a satanic Evil called Liberal-Democrat politics.
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Kirk Cameron Takes Heat for His Annihilationist View on Hell

You’re insisting on using your ‘normal English’ meaning, but that’s exactly where annihilationist's go wrong.
Oh, of course. Imagine thinking the Bible actually means what it says. What a silly concept! Well, at least for those with a doctrinal ax to grind that the plain meaning of the Scripture just doesn't support. Then you have to resort to the "what that really means is _________". technique.

The Bible defines life and death, not your personal dictionary.
Ah, I see! It requires your personal dictionary!. What it says just can't be depended on. If requires your doctrinal Rosetta Stone to be correctly understood, right?
Scripture makes it clear: life is union with God through Jesus, death is separation from Him.
Yeah, it just isn't clear enough to be properly understood until it's passed through your bunch's patent doctrinal filters, and then it's as plain as is the summer sun. <Laugh>
John 17:3: ‘Now this is eternal life: that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent.’ Romans 6:23: ‘The wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.’ To be with Jesus is life; apart from Him is death. So stop twisting definitions to suit your argument and start letting God’s Word define life and death.
Or at least your doctrinally altered "real meaning" of God's Word. Sorry mate, that's a load of rubbish. It's a matter of saying that one can't understand what the Bible really means without your lot's doctrinal lexicon, and that only then can it be properly understood, Juar a variation of the ever popular "only my denomination/sect/cult/whatever understand the Real Meaning of Scripture. There's no end of We're The One True Church outfits to choose from, yours is just one more.
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Devout Catholics Support Mass Deportations

A new poll reveals what mass attendance actually predicts about virtue and deportation policy.

America’s Catholic bishops may incessantly complain about President Donald Trump’s immigration agenda, but American Catholics actually support such measures as mass deportations. EWTN News and RealClear Opinion Research published a poll late last week which found that a majority (54 percent) of American Catholics favor mass deportations, including 27.5 percent (the largest share recorded in the poll) who “strongly favor” the policy, while only 30 percent oppose it and less than 17 percent expressed indifference. Support for the “detention and deportation of unauthorized immigrants on a broad scale” increased to 60 percent among white Catholics and opposition fell to 26 percent.

It just happens that over 300,000 children ended up in a living hell.
In fact, mass deportations were more popular among American Catholics than Trump himself was. While 54 percent of Catholics endorsed mass deportations, Trump’s support among Catholics only stood at 52 percent, while 37 percent held an unfavorable view of the president — up almost 10 points compared to opposition to mass deportations.

White House Assistant Press Secretary Taylor Rogers responded to the survey results noting that the president “won in a landslide victory with historic support from patriotic Catholics across the country because he promised to fight for people of faith, and he has delivered in record time.”

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trying to stay whole here

12-15-25, not a reply. Jan Karel Van Baalen was a Dutch Reformed Minister. His book "The Chaos of Cults" is a real blessing for me. The current new age movement could be considered unofficial Theosophists. As of this non-reply. Collapsed silver cord souls are trying to hang on to me. (Ecclesiastes 12:6 mentions the silver cord). Also, there are three local people who have lost it and they are beyond hope. Thank you & good day
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Lets get this

PSALMS 112​

The Traits of the Righteous
1Hallelujah!
Happy is the person who fears the Lord,
taking great delight in his commands.
2His descendants will be powerful in the land;
the generation of the upright will be blessed.
3Wealth and riches are in his house,
and his righteousness endures forever.
4Light shines in the darkness for the upright.
He is gracious, compassionate, and righteous.
5Good will come to the one who lends generously
and conducts his business fairly.
6He will never be shaken.
The righteous one will be remembered forever.
7He will not fear bad news;
his heart is confident, trusting in the Lord.
8His heart is assured; he will not fear.
In the end he will look in triumph on his foes.
9He distributes freely to the poor;
his righteousness endures forever.
His horn will be exalted in honor.

10The wicked one will see it and be angry;
he will gnash his teeth in despair.
The desire of the wicked leads to ruin.

General question: The State of Israel and its relationship with Christian Communities.

When I was doing an internship at the World Zionist Organization in Jerusalem I was told that there was a specific denomination which donated millions to our projects. I even asked why they would do such a thing but they basically told me: "don't ask, we need the funding".

Now as a Christian my question is a little different:
why do some Christians feel a strong connection with the secular state of Israel? If it is only related to biblical places then one can also include support for Egypt.
Moreover, is there a specific group that is more into funding Israeli projects and why?

One a side note;
The modern term "Jew/s" did not exist in biblical times. Neither was there the concept of "Judaism" as we know it today.
The reason to support the secular state of Israel because of "Jews" as the chosen people is rather strange in my opinion.
Because a lot of Christians don't understand scripture. I mean, that's the best way I can sum it up lol. They take the verse:
"The nation is like a mighty lion;
When it is sleeping, no one dares wake it.
Whoever blesses Israel will be blessed,
And whoever curses Israel will be cursed.” - Numbers 24:9
And think that means to blindly give to Israel no matter what. We are supposed to help aid in bringing Israel back in alignment with God, that is our mission. But just throwing money at them isn't going to aid them in the long run. "Blessing" Israel doesn't always mean just throwing them cash, you can bless them with the gospel (Galatians 3:9, Galatians 3:14) or wisdom, or personal help, or as a profession in let's say being a doctor or nurse and helping the injured. But I think it would be wrong as a follower of Christ to give to an institution that practices Judaism and ignores Christ. That's aiding in the wrong direction and I highly doubt the Father is going to bless that endeavor.
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Church is boring

I haven’t been going to church in a while. I feel like it’s boring. I find myself daydreaming and the sermons are good, but I really don’t like to sing or stand up. I like just saying prayers and even though the sermons are good, I don’t feel like going. I’m not really getting anything out of the Bible study, either, which is online. When I do go to church, I do tithe.
Am I falling away or is this not the right church for me? The people are nice.
Hello! I sometimes find large and long services a bit hard. I prefer to help out in ministries or smaller meetings. Maybe there might be something, a ministry you can serve in, something that you're interested in? Like Sunday School, finance, stewarding, caretaking, etc? I enjoy helping the elderly or those with anxiety to fit into church. As the old saying goes, if you do something you're passionate about you'll never work a day in your life! God Bless
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Ellen White on the mark of the beast for those that worship on Sunday

Thank you for clarifying your concern. I agree with you on an important starting point: God did not “get rid of” any of His commandments. Scripture never says that. What it does say—repeatedly—is that God fulfilled them in Christ.
Jesus fulfilled the law, not destroyed Mat5:17 and fulfill does not mean because Christ fullfed the law we can now vain His name or break any of these commandments. Jesus addressed this plainly not addressed to Him, but to "whoever" which is everyone Mat5:19


Where we differ is here: if any day—Sabbath included—is treated as salvific or as a test of genuine faith, then Christ’s obedience and sacrifice are no longer sufficient in practice, even if affirmed in words (Gal 5:4; Phil 3:8–9).

So are you saying we can worship other gods and go after idols and that's an example of faith to God and we are saved in our sins? Can you show Scripture that says this? God never treated the Sabbath commandment as different than any of the others, only than placing the seal for this entire document, in he 4th commandments Exo20:1. No one can break God's seal, because man is not god no matter how much they want their words to be the same as His, its really a vain attempt.
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