Here in the US, we can get crazy competitive about the dumbest things. Apparently, that's true in the UK as well.

If you enjoy putting up lights and baking cookies, do it. If you don't enjoy it, don't do it. Don't give your neighbors a hard time about what they do or don't do in December. And be merciful to those who are exhausted or sad during Advent and Christmas -- which is more people that you might think.

I'm sorry your friend has annoying neighbors.

Genesis 6:4
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4 The Nephilim were on the earth in those days—and also afterward—when the sons of God went to the daughters of humans and had children by them. They were the heroes of old, men of renown.
1 Enoch internally written before the flood by Enoch 7th from Adam inspired scripture hidden (apocrypha) from the swine, and unworthy by God himself explains how the sons of God were fallen angels, and Jude, and Peter imply the same thing when they say angels left their heavenly abode were put in chains until judgement which is what 1 Enoch says also.

The Cave of Treasures internally is written after 70 AD as it says Titus has destroyed Jerusalem. Inspired scripture stopped 70 AD (Dan 9 said vision, and prophecy would be sealed up by then) so it is not inspired. Some manuscripts say it was written by Ephrem the Syrian who died 373 AD. That text says sons of Seth mated with daughters of Cain, and made the giants, and explicitly says fallen angels were not involved. Augustine of Hippo 400 AD says the same thing. Conflict of Adam, and Eve with Satan (which is divided into 4 books) also say the same. That text was also written after 70 AD as it says Titus has destroyed Jerusalem, and shares a lot of content with Cave of Treasures. That text also says Melchizadek was the son of Cainan. I'm not sure if it was written before or after cave of treasures. So Ephrem the Syrian is the earliest author denying what 1 Enoch says AFAIK. In those texts sons of god meant Seths children as Seth, and other people in that lineage were righteous Genesis 6:9. Augustine also promoted the idea that 1 Enoch was not written pre flood. So up until 300s AD the majority of Christians believed 1 Enoch was written pre flood like Jesus, Jude, 1 Enoch, and all the other evidence says it was (there is stuff in the dead sea scrolls about Abraham reading Enoch when in Egypt, and Levi passing Enochs books to his children). My guess is the synagogue of satan after 70 AD started saying to Christians you can't trust 1 Enoch it is a myth it is pseudepigrapha it was written after the flood etc, and a lot of Christians believed them just like Adam, and Eve believed the devil in the garden of Eden, David believed satan with the census (God allowed the devil to tempt satan) , and just like 50 million Christians today believe the synagogue of satan when they say "god gave us palestine help us kill steal and destroy in the name of the god of abraham'.

SabbathBlessings said:

It doesn’t say Jesus is not Lord of the Sabbath what you accused me of. Jesus also never said He “became” Lord of the Sabbath something you did add to God’s Words when we are plainly told not to.

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Been through this already. Go back and read my posts.

Those crazy republicans. Why don't they endorse sane ideas like men can get pregnant.

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BobRyan said:

Interesting youtube vid

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Notice there is a reference to GC 588 in the video.

Also notice that in the past 7 or 8 days we have Kirk Cameron discussing his rethinking of the soul and eternal hell, and we also have the release of the book by Charlie Kirk 'Stop in the name of God".

Both are discussed in that video

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I pre-ordered the book and received it but I probably won’t read it. I honestly do not trust that it was not altered prior to going to publish. I am glad to hear Kurt Cameron changing his views, hopefully he will on the Sabbath as well.

Trump attacks on political opponents spur a surge of threats, NBC News review finds​

President Donald Trump’s heated rhetoric against his perceived political enemies has resulted in a blizzard of threats against at least 22 officials on both sides of the aisle in recent weeks, according to an NBC News tally.

Law enforcement has not identified the sources of the new wave of threats, but many of Trump’s targets say the president provoked them with over-the-top accusations of criminality on the part of Democrats and betrayal on the part of his fellow Republicans.

A spokeswoman for the White House, Abigail Jackson, said the president is concerned about political violence and hasn’t done anything wrong.

partinobodycular said:

It's actually very simple, we just disagree with you about what Christ considers to be abhorrent.

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That is the beauty of having personal opinions - they can differ.

BobRyan said:

Adam and Eve were held accountable in Gen 3 for what God said in Gen 2 even though Moses had not yet been born. Clearly they did not have to wait for Moses to be born to hear what God had said.

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God told them and it is written. No sabbath though. I’m done with your circular logic and argument from silence. The only thing that can win the argument for you is to post a verse that shows people keeping the sabbath before Moses and a verse showing which commandments Abraham kept (maybe the Noahic law?). And then while you are at it post a verse that shows that the Mosaic law including the Ten Commandments was given to the gentiles collectively. I’ve been asking for these verse for quite some time but you either keep ignoring the requests or simply can not comply because they don’t exist. Which one is it?

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Kimchi.

Conservative podcaster Megyn Kelly slams 'genuinely wrong' pick

Time magazine is facing backlash from one of conservative media’s biggest voices over its decision to snub Turning Point USA founder Charlie Kirk as its “Person of the Year” despite Kirk’s death marking the first major political assassination in the U.S. since the 1960s.

Instead, the century-old magazine gave its annual award to a collective of tech titans leading the artificial intelligence (AI) revolution, framing the year as a tipping point when the technology "roared into view" with irreversible momentum.

Time's announcement, unveiled Thursday, celebrated the "Architects of AI" as the magazine's 2025 honorees, with a reimagined version of the iconic 1930s photograph "Lunch Atop a Skyscraper" as its cover art. Replacing the classic photo’s hard-hatted construction workers were eight suited tech leaders perched on a beam overlooking New York City: Meta CEO Mark Zuckerberg, AMD CEO Lisa Su, Tesla CEO Elon Musk, Nvidia CEO Jensen Huang, OpenAI CEO Sam Altman, Google DeepMind CEO Demis Hassabis, Anthropic CEO Dario Amodei, and AI pioneer Fei-Fei Li, founder of World Labs.

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Jan001 said:

I don't think the inspired scriptures were suppressed or hidden.

Thank you for sharing your thoughts.

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Yes they were hidden by God. I made a post about How God hides things. Ask chat GPT to show all the bible verses about God hiding things, and why. It is so only wise people come across it not swine/unworthy. The word apocrypha means hidden. Thanks for the positive comment.

peter2 said:

Hello, eleos and other forumers.

I deeply thank samaus for his search with chatgpt, but i'd like to see if there's no other reply to the last of my observation, just before this search,


and i'd like to add a few another questions, please :

Since she revealed herself so protective, together with Joseph (see 12 years old finding in the Temple, see fleeing to Egypt), she likely admitted Jesus could die. Let's suppose so..

For the fleeing to Egypt, God intervened through Joseph's dream. He asked for this fleeing. Let's forget it !
But for the finding in the Temple :

Is Jesus' reply to her mother (he had to stand in His Father's house) the true and magistral reason why they should never have worried for him ?

I mean :
About the fleeing in Egypt, even if it's been conducted with a protective intention from Joseph and Mary, should it have been done from this reason ?

Again from my meaning, two collateral questions :

Had he died in Herod's massacre, wouldn't God have resurrected him then ?

Or, could we make the assumption the reason why God wished the sparing of Jesus' life at this massacre is : He wanted first and foremost the planned death on the cross to happen ?

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If you want more info about Mary, and Jesus childhood read or listen on youtube to- proto evangelion of James internally written by James (step) brother of Jesus after the death of Herod the great 4BC-1BC, and just after the birth of Jesus, and history of Joseph the Carpenter internally written before 70 AD also. Both are hidden inspired scripture for mature Christians. Another one is pseudo Mathew which Jerome 400 AD said was written by Mathew the apostle which I believe. There is no internal date of authorship in that text but it is about Jesus childhood with Mary and Joseph, and their flight to Egypt. All are on audiobook on youtube.

My son Jakeb is having another bad night. Please ask God to heal him mind and body, give him joy and keep him safe. I pray that the doctor will help him on Monday. Oh please pray there is nothing seriously wrong. I ask in the name of Jesus. Thank you and God bless you.

BrotherJJ said:

We agree Rev makes many symbolic points. Having said that, your reply leaves no room for any literal interpretations.

The OP made no reference to 666. So, I'll leave that rabbit hole for another discussion thread.

Literal vs symbolic scripture's examples:

This verse ALL literal
Rev 1:7 Behold, he cometh with clouds; & every eye shall see him, & they also which pierced him: & all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen

This verse symbolic
Rev 1:14 His head and his hairs were white like wool, as white as snow; and his eyes were as a flame of fire;
(NOTE: NOT wool or snow or a flame. BUT: "like wool" "as snow" "as a flame". We must pay close attention, CONTEXT is always KEY.

Rev text often announces symbolism with phrases like: sign, like or as, I saw, having the appearance of, which represents or which is...

Examples: Rev 12:1: "A great sign appeared in heave", "a woman". Rev 13:2: The beast "was like" "a leopard". When text signals a symbol we should interpret symbolically.

In Rev, #'s tied to counts of people or time are consistently literal.

Examples: 7 churches, 7 seals, 7 trumpets, 7 bowls, 42 months, 1,260 days, 12 TRIBES, 12K from each tribe etc...

Rev cites literal places. Examples: Jerusalem, Euphrates, Armageddon, Patmos, Zion etc. Unless symbolic its noted. Example: Rev 11:8. "spiritually" called Sodom & Egypt.

When Rev cites earthly judgments, they are literal. Examples: earthquakes literal, darkness literal, famine literal, plagues literal, war literal etc...

When symbolic is signaled, interpret symbolically. If not, interpret literally.

How this applies to the 144k. John gives numbers → literal tribes, literal names, literal genealogical bloodline categories. When no symbolic signal given → interpret literally!

So again I submit the 144k mentioned in Rev 7 & 14 are literal OT Israelites. Men redeemed from the earth, a firstfruits/resurrection wave soul harvest offering made unto The Father & Son. Amen

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Apocalyptic literature is often symbolic so it is difficult if not necessary to take it literal.

Dale said:

The things I was talking about happened before written history began. While creationists tell me that the world is only 6,000 years old, I have seen one source that says that written history alone goes back 6,100 years.

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Hello Dale. Good to hear from you. So the age of the earth given by Creationists and the age of Written History more or less coincide. The outlier is the proposed dates given for fragmentary evidence of various kinds. God Bless You

Hans Blaster said:

The "Dark Ages" might be a misnomer or mischaracterization, but it is not a "conspiracy".

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It is when its used to claim that knowledge and belief in the mind and body divide within Christianity just disappeared.

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No one claims Christianity "disappeared" in the Dark Ages,

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As far as I can see using the Dark Ages to say that Christianity did not have any views or beliefs on the Mind and Body divide is denying Christian thought. I proposed that the early church understood the Mind and Body divide in their beliefs and teachings.

It was rejected and claimed it was the Muslims and Greek culture that brought this idea. That Christianity when into the Dark Ages and thus was not responsible.

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it was learning and good record keeping that "disappeared" as political systems fragmented into smaller polities. There is a similar "Greek Dark Ages" prior to the Classical period after the Late Bronze Age Collapse where Greek history and culture are hard to track.

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So Christian thought and belief never lost the unique take on the Mind and Body difference. Their doctrine naturally included such ideas and were not the result of the Greeks or Muslim thought.

timothyu said:

The Kingdom gospel was replaced with the salvation gospel. There was no longer another Kingdom to rival the Empire and the Empire no longer needed to serve God or each other including enemies. It was free to carry on, business as usual. So it wasn't the Empire that changed to serve God but the religious institution that changed to serve the Empire and follow the traditional ways of man. Like I said it accepted all this can be yours rather than reject it as Jesus had done.

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The notion that the kingdom might be fully realized here on earth by God working through His people had its day for many years. Ain't gonna happen; no heaven on earth. It's what we should strive for nonetheless, while understanding that eternal life beings here but is only fully consummated in the next life.

camille70 said:

For it to be a conspiracy, the number of items the Trump administration has completed is amazing.

https://www.project2025.observer/en

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I wouldn't call the claims about Project 2025 a "conspiracy" exactly, but a bunch of people definitely did exaggerate what it said or just plain made claims that weren't even true when trying to attack Trump with it. One can find more commonality between Trump's policies and Project 2025 when one is comparing the actual content of Project 2025 rather than the exaggerations.

However, the idea that Project 2025 (actual Project 2025 or exaggerated version) was some kind of secret blueprint for Trump has problems with it. Project 2025 was a manifesto by a Republican-aligned group (the Heritage Foundation) and Trump, guess what, is a Republican. One can find a bunch of commonality between the Green Party platform and stuff Biden did, it doesn't mean Biden was following the ideas of the Green Party, it just means that because they're both liberals you're going to find some crossover.

As is well explained here (this was from much earlier this year, but the general points still hold up), footnotes omitted:

...many point out that Project 2025 suggested things that President de facto Trump later commanded through executive order—often using language that closely echoes language from Project 2025—so we are already living in a Project 2025 regime (and it sucks!). Hence Politico’s “37 ways Project 2025 has shown up in Trump’s executive orders.” These articles are used to vindicate last year’s conspiracy theory that, despite Donald Trump’s repeated repudiation of Project 2025, Project 2025 was nevertheless the secret blueprint of his administration. (I wrote about these and other P2025-related conspiracy theories last year.) Yet the presumption of all these articles is that, if Project 2025 suggested doing something and Trump subsequently did it, Project 2025 must be where the idea originated. That’s not remotely the case.

In fact, for some ideas, it’s exactly the opposite: the first Trump Administration had an idea, then Project 2025 adopted it into their framework! Even though Trump later did these things, he obviously didn’t get the idea from Project 2025. In most cases (like DEI rollbacks), he actively ran on these ideas, and the American people voted for it.

For many ideas, Trump and Project 2025 were both drawing on long-standing conservative commitments. For example, it is true, as Politico alleges in a scandalized tone, that Project 2025 recommended Trump impose the Mexico City Policy to block U.S. subsidies for international abortion providers… and Trump did! However, it’s perfectly obvious Trump didn’t do it because Project 2025 suggested it; he also imposed the Mexico City Policy at the start of his first term… and so has every other incoming Republican president since Ronald Reagan. This is just something Republican presidents do. Treating this as proof that Donald Trump is secretly following Project 2025 is just as silly as treating it as proof that George H.W. Bush was secretly following Project 2025 more than thirty years before Project 2025 was written!

This gives us a fairly simple heuristic you can use to see whether it’s even plausible that Trump got one of his ideas from Project 2025:

1. Did he do it in his last term, before Project 2025 existed? If yes, then it obviously didn’t come from Project 2025.
2. Did he actively campaign on it in 2024, the same campaign where he repudiated Project 2025? If yes, then it obviously wasn’t a secret he foisted on an unsuspecting public, and he probably didn’t get the idea from Project 2025 at all!

When you go through the 37 executive orders Politico cites as “evidence” that Trump was lying on the campaign trail, this simple heuristic eliminates 35 of them.

What’s left? What Trump policy proposals may have actually originated from Project 2025? Spicy stuff, believe you me:

• Closing the OFCCP (Office of Federal Contract Compliance Programs)
  
  • I doubt President Trump knew then, nor knows now, what OFCCP is. It’s an anti-discrimination enforcement office, so it was in trouble no matter what, but it’s plausible that the idea to close it came from P2025.
• Shifting FEMA burdens to the states, with FEMA playing only a support role
  
  • Note that Trump already hated FEMA, and it’s easy to imagine Trump asking the office, “Hey, how can I crush FEMA under my heel,” and a P2025 staffer saying, “You know, I wrote down some ideas about that.”

I did always say that, since Project 2025 is very much a part of the (very small) conservative policy wonk world, it was inevitable that Project 2025 would have some influence in the Trump White House, as one faction among many. These data points seem to bear that out.

camille70 said:

The democratic process was not bypassed to promote Harris. The DNC followed their policies to elect someone at the last minute. The DNC electors had people who submitted their intent to run with the required signatures and they were voted on. Not everyone voted for Harris via a virtual roll call. She was also not the only one with delegates, but the others did not have enough to win.

People were expecting a 50 state primary all over again. That's not what happens. There was also not time for it as deadlines had passed in all the states and my state of Ohio was threatening not to have the dem candidate on the ballot at all if not submitted by a certain date. They were unwilling to provide exceptions granted to candidates in the past, including GOP candidates.

See Adoption of early virtual nomination vote here.

2024 Democratic National Convention - Wikipedia

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The GOP would have had to do something similar had they lost their nominee at the last minute.

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The Democratic process (or, at least, the primary process) was bypassed to promote Harris. It might have been unavoidable to not bypass at that point (there was absolutely no time to do primaries), but it was still bypassed.

I do think that, with the hand the Democrats were dealt with Biden dropping out, quickly rallying around Harris was the decision that made the most sense. There was no time for a primary, they didn't want the convention to get taken over by arguments over who the delegates should vote for (especially because the convention wasn't planned to be a contested convention), and it made the most sense to rally around the person who was the Vice President. In hindsight we can see that didn't work out, so maybe it would've been better to do it differently... but with the information available at the time, and the situation they were in, I think quickly rallying around Harris was the best decision.


Of course, while I said "it might have been unavoidable to not bypass at that point" we should put emphasis on the words "at that point". Because if Biden hadn't run for re-election, they could've had a real primary (they technically had a primary but as is normal for a sitting President, Biden was so strongly favored they might as well not have). I can definitely see frustration for being told endlessly "Biden's actually totally fine, ignore all claims that he isn't! No need for any real primary!" only to then later on be told "okay, Biden actually isn't in that great of a shape, but there's no time for a primary now, so it's Harris whether you like it or not."

JM said:

It knows your bias, it already knows you are an Adventist...that's who AI works.

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I ask questions in the AI example, I don't tell it what to say. And it starts off telling me the adventist view is wrong.

Start by noticing the details

NxNW said:

Correct, and the fixtures represent the decade, not individual years

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Those individual years are part of that decade.

NxNW said:

Because you misinterpreted the figures?

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No

Can Jesus be found in other religions though not explicitly?

Say it aint so said:

Come the Tish allegations, since that what they just are. The insurance lawyer who stepped in to replace the AG, who quit after refusing to bring charges seeing there were no charges to bring, is failing to make her case for the third time. I already showed you how both cases in Va and NY how those claims are bogus.

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Lindsay Halligan didn't replace an AG (attorney general), of which there's only one, which is currently Pam Bodi. Halligan was brought in to replace the Attorney for the Eastern District of Virginia, a lower position. Maybe this is pedantic, but I think it's worth noting.

However, I do not believe the second and third indictments were brought by Halligan. She brought the first, which got dismissed because (correctly, according to my understanding) a judge ruled she hadn't been properly appointed, and since she was the only one who signed onto the indictment, it couldn't fall to another prosecutor. So it wouldn't make any sense to have her go and do it a second time.

This article (by Andrew McCarthy, which argues that both James's case against Trump and Trump's case against James are absurd and partisan) says that the second was brought by a guy named Roger Keller, who unlike Halligan actually has prosecuted cases before. A bit odd that the newbie managed to get an indictment while the actual prosecutor failed, but Halligan might've just lucked out on the grand jury selection. I don't think we know who brought the third indictment--we don't actually have a formal record of any rejection, the information about it is just from "anonymous sources familiar with the proceedings". If it was rejected we'll find out soon enough, but for now we don't know who it was. But it probably wasn't Halligan given, again, that would most likely just get it dismissed again by a judge, so they need someone else to do it.

Oompa Loompa said:

The Somalian fraud and tribalism was going on long before Trump. That is what happens when you import the third world into your country in mass, give them welfare to make them comfortable, and have zero expectation for them to assimilate. They bring they bring the third world with them and replicate it where they are.

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What is third world about this fraud scheme? Because fraud is as old as commerce and plenty of it existed here long before any Somalis immigrated. These were business owners ( not welfare recipients) taking advantage of a program that was not well regulated. Also, the Fraud was not limited to Somali owned businesses.

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