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Is Hell Annihilationism or Eternal Torment

Fire consumes the material, like the body, but not the immaterial, like the spirit and soul.
We are talking about God's consuming fire that can destroy both body and soul. And I choose to believe Christ's words in that we are to fear the one that can destroy (fully in the Greek) both body and soul. That's why Christ calls it the "second" death. Afterwards he claims to make "all things" new and that the former things will be passed away.
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6 Craziest Revelations From Scathing Report on Kash Patel — Including His Refusal to Leave a Plane Until He Was Given a Female Agent’s Jacket

This is the best dirt they could dig up? Seriously? lol.
One more time.
This is a report from FBI agents themselves.
But no, it's far worse than just losing the confidence of those who you are suppose to lead.
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DHS confirms arrest of Afghan man in Texas after bomb threat video surfaces online

If you cut out the Arabic, that sounds a lot like hundreds (maybe thousands?) of evangelical services I've heard.

If you add the Arabic back in, it sounds exactly like basically every charismatic service I've heard, with their faux-Arabic "speaking in tongues."
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Now does everyone understand why the "right to refuse illegal orders" video was made?

White House says admiral approved second deadly boat strike

The White House on Monday confirmed a second strike in September had killed wounded civilians after the first effort failed, and put responsibility largely on the naval commander leading the mission.
Spokesperson Karoline Leavitt said U.S. Special Operations Command head Adm. Frank Bradley was “within his authority and the law” in conducting the second strike on alleged drug traffickers in the Caribbean, after the force of the first strike tossed them from the boat.
I was listening to Lt. Gen. Mark Hertling last night. There are some here who may be currently in, or were in the military who can confirm this. Hertling was saying the code training literally uses as the example of shooting of survivors in the water as an illegal act. Not him but me, but I kind of remember soldiers of nations being brought to trial and executed for those such acts. Feel free to correct me if I am misremembering.

Minnesota is drowning in fraud.

13.6% is more than half that, not nearly half.

Both can be true.

4: Her husband manages her investments.

And does so without consulting her at all? Please, North.

They convicted Martha Stewart, didn't they?

I actually looked more into Martha Stewart and it turns out she was never actually even convicted for insider trading either. Her broker was. Congrats! You've conceded the entire argument.

Did she personally trade in those stocks using that knowledge?

Did Martha Stewart?

Just not very informative.

At least you acknowledge it wasn't an argument now.
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Trump to launch new social media platform TRUTH Social

He truthed it, and truthed it again a few minutes later. It must be truth!

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DJT is on a tear. Down 43% over the last 6 months. Still above its all time lows.
OK, now it's around its all time (post-SPAC) lows.

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More Americans are now reading the Bible but fewer believe it’s 100% accurate: study

Which account of Paul's conversion is correct?

And they that were with me beheld indeed the light, but they heard not the voice of him that spake to me.
Acts 22 : 9

And the men that journeyed with him stood speechless, hearing the voice, but beholding no man.
Acts 9 : 7

I don't know how to reconcile these verses nor has the Holy Spirit told me how to do it. I choose to not worry about.

Why would one compare these two events? In Acts 9, the event occurs on the road to Damascus during Paul's conversion to Christianity, while the account in Acts 22 takes place 23 years later in Jerusalem.
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Trump to pardon Ex-Honduras President Guilty of Drug Trafficking and conspiring to import cocaine into the United States

I like that he's pointing out that "Radical leftists" are keeping America safe from Drug Traffickers!

Thanks Honduras man!

The John 8:32 letterhead was a nice (cynical) touch.
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Why we are not supposed to keep the Sabbath

Why are you refusing to comment on the blood covenant established in 24? You seem to be hyperfocused on these stone tablets being physically seperate to other laws and drawing some off doctrine that the tablets form their own covenant relationship. I know your motivated by your traditions and I get that but your not saying anything of substance that would lead us to this special clause covenant doctrine of the tablets. Ex 20-24 very clearly shows a different narrative of a covenant relationship that includes the 10 along with other commandments. There is no other way to phrase this blood covenant in Ex 24.
The Scriptures I posted already addressed this. The Ten Commandments is not the book of the law or book of the covenant- same thing.

Exo 34:7 Then he took the Book of the Covenant and read in the hearing of the people. And they said, “All that the Lord has said we will do, and be obedient.” 8 And Moses took the blood, sprinkled it on the people, and said, “This is the blood of the covenant which the Lord has made with you according to all these words.”

Deut 31:24 So it was, when Moses had completed writing the words of this law in a book, when they were finished, 25 that Moses commanded the Levites, who bore the ark of the covenant of the Lord, saying: 26 “Take this Book of the Law, and put it beside the ark of the covenant of the Lord your God, that it may be there as a witness against you

The Ten Commandments is written on stone by God, inside the ark Exo31:18 Exo40:20, not in a Book and they already agreed to keep this covenant separately Exo19:8 because its not the same Law.
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Reactions mount in Canada to undercover video exposing late-term abortions

A week after The Catholic Register in Canada revealed that pro-life advocate Alissa Golob went undercover while 22 weeks pregnant to test whether late-term abortions were accessible in Canada without medical justification, the national response continues to intensify, with a new twist: a fourth hidden-camera video that Golob says she is legally barred from releasing.

Golob, co-founder of RightNow, posed as an undecided pregnant woman in abortion facilities in Toronto, Montreal, Vancouver, and Calgary in 2023. The Nov. 19 Register story detailed her conversations with clinic counselors and physicians who told her late-term abortions could be arranged at nearby hospitals, sometimes “up to 32 weeks,” without needing to provide medical reasons.

Staff described procedures as a “mini stillbirth,” advised her she could “expel the fetus in the car,” and said reasons such as already having two children or “not wanting to be pregnant” were acceptable.

Those recordings — three of which have now been released — directly contradict long-standing political claims that late-term abortions in Canada are only performed in cases of maternal health risk or severe fetal anomalies.

In an email interview with The B.C. Catholic, Golob said the reaction from Canadians has been more visceral than she expected.

The dominant response has been “overwhelming shock and horror from the average Canadian who didn’t think late-term abortions were possible,” she said.

Many who describe themselves as pro-choice wrote to her saying the recordings were disturbing and that unrestricted late-term abortion “just shouldn’t be allowed.”

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The Mamdani Model: More Socialist Mayors to ComeBeware! The DSA will attempt to repeat Mamdani’s success in other Democrat strongholds.

The state does not perform "biblical "marriages and never has. i'm not even sure what that means. Christian marriage is a sacrament and must be administered by a clergyman. The state does not administer Christian sacraments.
I mean under the law. The law use to be aligned with biblical marriage. Its there in the vows. Or was lol. Then it was redefined around the year 2000 onwards for most western nations.

This was a redefining of marriage in the public square and social norms. So the State in changing the marriage laws was also legalising as morally good a new definition of marriage. Thus taking a moral position on marriage which conflicts with biblical marriage and the definition the State had previously upheld for generations.
And "we, the people" have to decide which of those practices are going to be allowed and which are not, in accordance with the Constitution..
That doesn't make it morally right. Yes the State laws and policies are usually a reflection of the social norms the community supports. Thats the point. Social norms change with the times and biblical norms don't. Thats why they come into conflict.

But the idea that its "we the people" will decide is unreal. The way its been going lately and being so polarised it seems half the population is devastated they are no longer in power. They feel disenfranchised and like they are living in some alien nation because Trumps in power.

The same when the Dems were in. It seems that half the population is never represented. Let alone all the smaller groups who never get a say. Or get too much say. Its all corruption and power and its no longer about the people.
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The NEA is pushing far left teaching upon children

Appears to be human but looks can be deceiving? IT IS A HUMAN WHO SURGICALLY MADE HIMSELF LOOK LIKE A CAT! No different than a man who surgically made himself look like a woman or vice versa. Your answer has proven that your ideology has blinded you to reality, making you far less credible on this topic than I.
HE does not "look like a cat". Cats don't have metal in their face. Cats don't have tatoos. I'm guessing he also doesn't have a tail.

"far less credible on this topic than I".
Not sure what to say about that one....
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Rome’s Failure to Correct Germany’s Bishops has Emboldened Their Pro-LGBT Agenda

As the country’s bishops issue a new document encouraging diversity of sexual identities in Catholic schools, German Catholic sociologist Gabriele Kuby explains the full extent of the crisis.​


A recently published document from the German bishops encouraging Catholic school pupils to self-identify according to their “sexual identity” is the latest significant departure of the bishops’ conference from the Church’s teaching, re-igniting talk of a possible new, German-born schism.

The “orientation aid,” published on Oct. 30, states that Catholic schools should consider “diversity of sexual identities is a fact,” effectively normalizing any pupil to self-identify as lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender, intersex and non‑binary.

Teachers are further encouraged to use language that reflects “the diversity of sexual identities,” and are advised to present questions of sexual morality as “disputed,” allowing students to form their own judgments.

Only three German bishops have so far publicly voiced their opposition to the document: Bishops Stefan Oster of Passau and Rudolf Voderholzer of Regensburg, and Cardinal Rainer Maria Woelki, Archbishop of Cologne.

The Vatican has, at least in its teaching documents, been clear about its opposition to this “gender theory” approach, describing it as an ideology that denies the created difference of man and woman, and that undermines the anthropological basis of the family.

German Catholic sociologist Gabriele Kuby, a respected expert on the scourge of gender theory, believes this latest act of German episcopal dissent from the Magisterium is, to a large extent, a consequence of Vatican inaction against the German bishops.

In the following excerpt of an interview published in the latest edition of The Academy Review of the John Paul II Academy for Human Life and the Family (JAHLF), Kuby explains in illuminating detail the extent of the crisis related to the German episcopate which, aided by their 2019-2023 Synodal Path, has attempted to impose a change in the Church’s teaching on sexual morality, introduce liturgical blessings for same-sex couples, and is now trying to normalise sexual diversity identities.

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A YouTube Priest Says You Shouldn’t Pray After Communion. Here’s Why He’s Wrong...

Jimmy Akin corrects popular Franciscan YouTuber Fr. Casey Cole’s claim that it’s “not appropriate” to pray privately after Communion and that EVERYONE must sing the Communion hymn. Jimmy goes through the argument line-by-line and exposes the claim as a classic “pious little legalism.” Jimmy quotes parts of the General Instruction that Fr. Casey never mentioned and reveals what Rome actually says about post-Communion prayer. A powerful, fact-packed defense of your right to thank Jesus after receiving him in holy Communion!

Struggling with scrupulosity

Thank you Mari17. I have listened to him some. I do things on this journey that is textbook scrupulosity. I try to say the opposite of my thought, I research constantly, I seek reassurance, I pretty much stay away from triggers but every once in a while I will approach them to see if I have the same response. “Do I still feel this anger and cynicism toward God”? I know all of that is foolish but I am desperate. I read passages like Hebrews 10:26-29 And I just know it’s talking about me. I am ashamed of all my willful sin. I wish I could back 40+ years and do the right things this time. I am angry at the person I have become because of it. I am learning more about myself though. Turns out I am a narcissist. I sought peoples approval and praise because of growing up so poor. I always wanted to be known as intelligent and good at what I do. I never saw how selfish I was. Well, that’s enough of that. Sorry for the long reply.
Thank you for your response! Do you think that maybe your labeling yourself as a narcissist is also OCD, or partly OCD? We all struggle with selfishness, to varying degrees. I think perhaps something more beneficial than labeling yourself is to recognize that Jesus meets you where you are, and transforms you from there.

I also wonder about the validity of equating dependence on pain medication with rejecting Christ. Is trying to dull your pain the same as apostasy? It seems like a bit of a stretch.

I think that putting emphasis on emotion in faith can be rather damaging, particularly for those with OCD, who already tend to use too much emotional reasoning. I wonder if the most childlike faith is praying simply and then believing that God heard us, rather than feeling like we have to go through emotional gymnastics to gain His forgiveness. After all, Jesus' model of prayer, commonly known as the Lord's prayer, was very simple and straightforward.
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How do I know what God wants me to do?

Don't listen to those who say we are almost alone without being able to know because that is not biblical.

9 For this reason, since the day we heard about you, we have not stopped praying for you. We continually ask God to fill you with the knowledge of his will through all the wisdom and understanding that the Spirit gives,[a]

So you may need to be filled with the Holy spirit to have more guidance and more communion with God.
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There’s a Giant Flaw in Human History

Ok so you are saying all knowledge comes from the physical and naturalistic processes and there no such such thing as any transcendent knowledge like spirituality or consciousness beyond the physical brain.
No that there is no such thing, just that there seems to be no need for it.
Maybe thats why your having trouble as its not just about Egyptian advanced knowledge and tech but the giant flaw in the history told by orthodoxy. So thats more about philosophy.

We went into some specific examples that may support that advanced knowledge. But we could also go into other examples all around the world. This also includes the cognitive evolution going back 300k rather than 50k. How discoveries like GT are pushing back the timeline and changing the level of knowledge the ancients had.
Which is evidence that they knew what they wanted to achieve before they figured out how to to it--which is exactly the same way modern technology advances.
But its every bit philosophy, epistemics and culture as the specific examples. Even more so related to how we see knowledge.

Your also forgetting that my attempt to explain how the ancients gained advanced knowledge is spectulation. In fact its more about philosophy, epistemics and metaphsyics than the hard sciences like physics.

As I said if the ancients had a more direct experience in nature and reality then they would have gained a deeper knowledge of nature and relality. Just like Marys experience of Red could only come from her subjective experience. So to is the deeper knowledge of reality.

In fact even science supports the idea that Mind and consciousness are fundemental and not objective physical reality. So if the ancients were more in tune with this fundemental reality. Then they also gained knowledge of fundemental reality from the bottom up and not the top down worldview.

This seems a blantant falsehood and demands evidence. The evidence does not clearly show what tools were used. There is absolutely no evidence showing how the large granite blocks, and boxes were made. There is absolutely evidence for machining.

No one has given any evidence for the contrary. Some have made claims but have not shown evidence. In fact the evidence they have shown was defeated. There certainly is not clear cut evidence.
Evidence of machining is not the same as evidence for your transcendent knowledge. In fact, it can be seen as evidence against it, as it suggests that the blocks were cut by earthly means, not metaphysics.
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Christian Homelessness

I've had a life-long string of insane situations. In them all Hebrews 12:3 helps me to keep my eyes focused on Christ and to get my strength from Him. Romans 5:8 keeps me solid in knowing I didn't "do this to myself" which is the first thing people assume and even think themselves when hard times show up. Romans 5:8 is saying that God proved His love already and that situations don't put that in question whatsoever, and that if the Father put Christ through what He suffered because He loves Him, then maybe the suffering is an indicator of how much we are loved because God turns our curses into blessing through the cross.

I focus on John 15:13 a lot also, because if someone jumped in front of bullet for me or wrestled an alligator to the death I would know that person loves me. Reading Matthew 27 is always a way to be close to Christ, because He had to go through that and when you love someone you go through their hardships with them. Romans 8:17 says we are only co-heirs with Christ if we suffer with Him, and He came down to this place tainted by the likes of hell itself to suffer with us, so we can at least know there is great purpose in whatever we are going through and that God has a very strong reason for it.

Romans 8 all in all is a great read to brush up on including when we are facing extreme situations or circumstances. It reminds us we are Sons and Daughters of God in Christ, and if we are Sons, and the Son of God suffered then it's for a greater purpose just like it was with Lord Jesus.

Going back to Hebrews 12:3, I stay reminded that He tells me to refocus on Him and the far more extreme agony He took that I would have had to if He had not stepped in on my behalf. It helps me "buck up" when facing the impossible or painful and I also know the harder the situation, the closer God is and the harder He fights for us.

Praying for you, and I really mean praying miracles and faith building situations. Refuse to doubt it, God rewards diligence in faith and trust in Him (Hebrews 11:6), never stop praying - PUSH Pray Until Something Happens (Luke 18:5), and remember this is God bringing good out of bad and better days are ahead, you can count on it because He is faithful (John 16:21 - Hebrews 12:2)
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