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FDA is Dropping the Ball on our Health

Not really, it has helped me in reversing my Type 2 diabetes. A lot of autoimmune diseases can be reversed, did you know that? Do you have parents or grandparents taking medication? I'd like to think I can critically think problems through and I use the internet and Google Scholar for verification. I grew up in a time when most diseases were not a problem and I always questioned why cancer was so prevalent. Especially when a couple of my wife's friends and family died of it in the early 2000. I used to think cancer was genetic but now genetics has a small part of it and nutrition and environmental factors play a big role.

In my youth in the 70s, only alcoholics got fatty liver and in the 80s nonalcoholics started getting fatty liver. Since alcohol isn't the problem then the sugar content must be the problem. Today we have kids with fatty liver disease, how sad is that? I hope no one has to see their parents deteriorate like I watched mine do. My dad died of diabetes and I know I have a genetic disposition to it my mom had a stroke that ruined her life. Both of these diseases can be prevented with a lifestyle change.
While I will agree risks can be affected by lifestyle change.......

Thin fit people get strokes.
Thin, fit people have diabetes.

It's not safe to buy into the youtube message of anything can be prevented.

That is an important part, I think, of what Tropical Winds was getting at.
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Eternal fire does not mean eternal torment

While the overall point may be right, I have questions about some of the exegesis:

On eternal fire: It may well be that "eternal destruction" is destruction that is permanent, rather than that it is going on forever, but some of the references he cited don't fit his exegesis, even if their overall picture is consistent with his opinion. I believe the passage he cited about Sodom, as well as Jer 66:24, show that the fire continues forever even though the people or bodies have been destroyed, as an eternal sign of their destruction. This is, of course hyperbole, since in both cases the fires aren't still there. Thoses passages don't use the term "eternal destruction," and eternal refers (hyperbolicaly) to an actual thing, not to the finality of the destruction.

Eternal destruction itself occurs only in 2 Thes 1:9, as far as I can tell. Given 2 Thes 2:8 and 5:3 it is quite plausible that it refers to annihilation. That's how FF Bruce's commentary understands it.

But that explanation isn't as obvious for Matthew's eternal punishment. Given the background of 1st Cent Judaism, which actually did think some people would be punished forever, that's at least a possible understanding of Matthew. Note however Matthew's references elsewhere to people being in the outer darkness, with weeping and gnashing of teeth (probably meaning frustration). That suggests exclusion from the Kingdom, but not being tortured by God. Is that the same thing as eternal punishment, or are some people damned and others frustrated that they didn't get a greater reward than they did because of their lack of faithfulness? I don't think we know for sure.
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The Mamdani Model: More Socialist Mayors to ComeBeware! The DSA will attempt to repeat Mamdani’s success in other Democrat strongholds.

I am saying whatever it is that the secular majority determines as good and will keep us safe is not a good proposition. I would not trust them whatever the idea or basis is for how they decide to order society and reality for that matter.
It seems likely you'll experience it long before we in the US do.

Religion in Australia (2021 census)
  1. Christianity (43.9%)
  2. No religion (38.9%)
Let us know how it turns out.
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Progressive government is the antithesis of a biblically based republic.

So it's about sex. But you are right. If women get to decide for themselves who to go to bed with and when some men might not get any. Boo Hoo.

Actually, yes, boo hoo. If people slept with whoever they wanted to, adultery would run rampant, children would be born into broken homes, and STDs would go out of control. Which actually ended up happening, following the sexual revolution. The only solution to this is abstinence until marriage. Enforced legally.
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Trump terminates orders signed by Autopen during Biden administration

Another unconstitutional overreach via midnight tweet or "truth?" Social?

The two combined create enough presidential hot air to exacerbate global warming.
The unconstitutional overreach was a signature not in Joe Biden’s hand on executive orders. Just who was running this country if not the constitutionally authorized president?
Just because something is signed by autopen does not mean that Biden was not involved and someone else operated the machine.
But was he ‘involved’? I’m really doubting his involvement if he can’t even bring himself to bring pen to paper and sign the executive orders himself. What did Obama say? I have a pen and I know how to use it.
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B flat B♭

I'm not changing the subject
Yes, you were. You said:
There is a downward “bottomless
pit.” This is not possible on a
sphere.
That is about SHAPE.
Your argument was that there cannot be a bottomless pit on a sphere/globe; therefore the earth is not a globe.
When it was pointed out to you that Scripture does not say that the B.P. is on the earth you started asking about the sun. That has nothing to do with it. The fact is, you cannot claim that the earth is not a globe because of the bottomless pit, when Scripture does not say that this pit is on the earth.
I'm just repeating what the Bible says.
The Bible does not SAY that the bottomless pit is on the earth - that is your assumption.
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Trump dispenses with trials, orders military strike on alleged Venezuelan drug-trafficking boat (Now up to 2, 3, 4...)

WaPo: Hegseth order on first Caribbean boat strike, officials say: Kill them all
A missile screamed off the Trinidad coast, striking the vessel and igniting a blaze from bow to stern. For minutes, commanders watched the boat burning on a live drone feed. As the smoke cleared, they got a jolt: Two survivors were clinging to the smoldering wreck.​
The Special Operations commander overseeing the Sept. 2 attack — the opening salvo in the Trump administration’s war on suspected drug traffickers in the Western Hemisphere — ordered a second strike to comply with Hegseth’s instructions, two people familiar with the matter said. The two men were blown apart in the water.​
Hegseth’s order, which has not been previously reported, adds another dimension to the campaign against suspected drug traffickers. Some current and former U.S. officials and law-of-war experts have said that the Pentagon’s lethal campaign — which has killed more than 80 people to date — is unlawful and may expose those most directly involved to future prosecution.​
I had a feeling it was only a matter of time for something like this to come up when last week they renamed the department of war to the department of war crimes
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More Americans are now reading the Bible but fewer believe it’s 100% accurate: study

There's a difference between believing there may be some scribal errors, or even that accuracy was not always the main objective, but that the actual meaning and message still gets through - and discounting passages that might disagree with your idea of morality (especially "modern" morality). But does it matter, for example, if Job actually existed, or was just a parable? Don't we get the same meaning out of it either way?

All that said, I would not feel comfortable saying that ANY scripture is in error.

Of course, the existence of Job and the Book of Job is significant, especially considering that both are referenced multiple times in the New Testament by Paul and James. If neither Job nor the Book of Job existed, it would raise doubts about the reliability of Paul or James writings.

Similarly, if certain laws from Leviticus conflict with contemporary moral values, it raises the question of whether Moses was genuinely a prophet or simply someone who devised rules to govern his followers.
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Independents....

Some issues I'm right of center. Some issues I'm left of center. Some issues I am in the center.

I've yet to find a party that I agree with 100% of the time on all issues.

I've not really changed my views, but somehow both the democrats and the republicans seem to have gotten the idea that if you don't agree with their views 100% and agree 100% of the time then you are most likely an enemy.
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University of Minnesota on Whiteness Pandemic

Blackness refers to culture not biology: the centuries-old culture of Blackness features hyperfocused race consciousness, defensive pride, and Black fragility, which are all covert expressions of reverse-racism common in the United States. Naming the Blackness Pandemic shifts our gaze from the victimhood ideology and effects of reverse-racism onto the systems that perpetrate and perpetuate reverse, black racism, starting with the family system. At birth, young children growing up in black families begin to be socialized into the culture of Blackness, making the family system one of the most powerful systems involved in systemic, reverse-racism.
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Street Preaching

Right, hence parables. Connecting to seeking hearts rather than ranting to deaf ears.
Yes, has anyone made any modern versions of the Parables lol. Maybe instead of Talents we could use Crypto currency. Don't leave your Bit Coin wasting away doing nothing. Invest your Bit coin like investing in the Kingdom of God. It may be more relatable lol.
Can't remember the quote but it embodies this absolutely, and paraphrased it was said that "If Satan possessed one of the disciples how much more every non-believer on Earth." It obviously is true if one is aware and intellectually honest about their observations pertaining to encounters where the message of the Bible is being proclaimed, the demonic manifests, the evil is visible, the behavior is lunacy.
I honestly don't think non believers can see Gods spirit or Gods aspects in the world. As the bible says they look but do not see. Its almost like a different paradigm.

But I also think they know but deny. Which is a different kind of self imposed blindness due to not being able to acknowledge the truth.

If Christ is the truth, the way and Life and if Satan is the anti Christ who wants to usurp Christ with a copycat philosophy to win people over. Then Christs truth and Christians standing on that truth will be seen as a threat in exposing the lies. Especially when push comes to shove.
It says in 2 Corinthians 2:16 we are the smell of death to those who are "perishing" because God to them is judgment and Hellfire, and so the threat is that very concept because they cannot hear the message of forgiveness when they aren't looking to repent or agree with God about their fallen nature. Add the evil spirits and demonic following them around and possessing them and the "threat level" is code red.. all defenses up.
Thats interesting. The smell of death is an unusual term. Almost like a reminder of death having its way over people. The sight of Christs light and goodness brings up the opposite in their hearts and minds. Almost like someone on the run who sees every flashing light or uniform coming to arrest them.
Good point there. You mean that Christ would "defy the religious establishments" in today's society? Oh yes He would, and they would probably try to crucify Him again if He returned clothed in humility, but we all know it is a lion that is returning.
Yes so I think its coming full circle. Before Christ was the rule of the pagan gods. Then Christ came and this began Christianity. It grew to become the religion of the Roman Empire. The church has made many mistakes and abused its power. But all along there was Christs church that was the balancing denominator that kept society in check. We at least respected God enough to welcome Him in the public square.

But now God is being rejected from the public square and out of secular society. In its place once again come the pagan beliefs of various sorts. Which are basicially making the world, things and humans gods.

So of course along with this will be the return of Christ and Christians being hated and persecuted. It is almost an inevitable progression. From the time of Christ we were either going to flourish as Christ church or as we moved away from that time we forgot or rationalised away the importance.

But also it is evil replaying itself over and over again due to the fall of humans. But the difference now is that all the cards are on the table. God has shown His hand in Christ who will finally defeat satan. Satan knows this so he is even more desperate and decieving. He has got better. So really everyone knows what the stakes are the anti Christ and followers in knowing this will be much more angry and desperate.
Well absolutely, it is a ploy by the devil to hijack the core of God's power which is "love" and paint it as pampering and gentleness to keep anyone from actually "fighting" against darkness or evil. Preaching acceptance of literally anything is the "new love," versus that really hard, trail blazing, narrow road, and carrying the weight of responsibility (defending weak, helping the poor, etc) stuff that most people simply don't want to hear.
Yes and its interesting that part of what cultivated this over sensitivity to everything and feelins equals love and can heal and accept everything was the replacement for God and the bible.

All these ideas come from academia and Critical theories which came from the counter culture that rejected God. This is the replacement for social morals and how to order society. It is self absorbed.

Whereas we use to believe we were made in Gods image and that true love meant actually suffering for another for the good of all. No world ideology can possible achieve this as it can only happen in Christ.
So the message that you have sins in the first place is a big "oh no" to most who hear out the gate, and they can hardly hear "forgiveness" or "gift" for the humming they are doing and the fingers plugged into their ears as an initial reaction.
Yes I really think Grace and Forgiveness as sorely missing. I think because the world has been sold to many and there are so many claims to the key to life that everyone is offering.

Because its tangible and can be felt in the here and now its easy to be lured into the percieved comfort or idea thats being painted. Thats the problem. Its so superficial and artificial yet has been made so real when all there is is feelings ans experiences of the ehere and now and nothing else.

Whereas the whole idea of Gods Kingdom is to actually detached from this world. Not live by the flesh and desires and feelings but the spirit. I think people are open to a sort of psuedo spirit dressed as feelings or some mystical inner self that can transcend reality.

But its never really detaching from the world and into Gods spirit. I think you have to be willing to let go of the world and there is only one aspect thats going to fullfill that inner search for peace and love which is Christ.
It takes a special message curated by God the Holy Spirit to reach people who are so opposed to such an abject degree to the "Good News" that we are sinners (threat to identity of good person) and that God sent His Son as a gift (part they don't think they need) to save their lives from evil.
I really think it is harder. At least in past generations most people grew up in Godly households and communities. Today theres nothing. I forget that my kids did not grow up in the same world as me when I was their age.

But the Gospel Good News message has long gone. Its been replace many times by all sorts of ideas over the last few decades and especially post 2000.

In some ways I think this current generation are like new people who have never heard the gospel in a way like in the past. Maybe its come fullcircle and they are more ready and open after seeing decades of chaos. But I don't think even their parents really experienced the gospel that much among all the whitenoise of alternative ideaologies.

I have actually heard that some young people are going back to basics and getting back to church even showing their parents up. Maybe there is a wind of change.
I think that focus is love (1 John 4:8), but love in truth (Ephesians 4:15). I think showing love is even more powerful than speaking it though, such as the cross, but an extension of it through our behavior. That is when people's ears open to hear, because no one cares how much you know, until they know how much you care.
Yes I agree. Because there is so much fake news, false preaching, worldly ideas all speaking their truths and claims. Trying to preach the gospel will be hard.

But living the gospel and teachings and being Christlike without words speaks a lot. Even the world knows that its actions not words. They respect someone who puts into practice what they preach.

I think this is why Christ and the disciples garnered so much respect. They lived the gospel and the few words they did speak people knew they were important and truthful.

That is one thing I think is missing out of all the culture wars. Then no one actually quietly goes about doing what everyone is yelling and telling others they should do.

If one group did I reckon it would make the rest stop and look.
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The rise of menace as a mainstream political tool

Indiana GOP state senator says he's a no on redistricting after Trump delivers his Thanksgiving execration

Trump's Nov. 27 Truth Social post ‒ one in a series of anti-immigrant comments posted Thursday ‒ referred to Minnesota Gov. Tim Walz as the "r-word." Though the word was formerly used in medical contexts, it's now widely regarded as offensive, and disability advocates seek to end its use.

"Those of you that don't know me or my family might not know that my daughter has Down Syndrome," state Sen. Mike Bohacek, R-Michiana Shores, wrote on Facebook. "This is not the first time our president has used these insulting and derogatory references and his choices of words have consequences."
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Are there still Apostles today?

Acts 1:15 In those days Peter rising up in the midst of the brethren, said (now the number of persons together was about an hundred and twenty):
1:16 Men, brethren, the scripture must needs be fulfilled, which the Holy Ghost spoke before by the mouth of David concerning Judas, who was the leader of them that apprehended Jesus:
1:17 Who was numbered with us, and had obtained part of this ministry.
1:18 And he indeed hath possessed a field of the reward of iniquity, and being hanged, burst asunder in the midst: and all his bowels gushed out.
1:19 And it became known to all the inhabitants of Jerusalem: so that the same field was called in their tongue, Haceldama, that is to say, The field of blood.
1:20 For it is written in the book of Psalms: Let their habitation become desolate, and let there be none to dwell therein. And his bishopric let another take.
1:21 Wherefore of these men who have companied with us, all the time that the Lord Jesus came in and went out among us,
1:22 Beginning from the baptism of John, until the day wherein he was taken up from us, one of these must be made a witness with us of his resurrection.
1:23 And they appointed two, Joseph, called Barsabas, who was surnamed Justus, and Matthias.


A few things to take away from this passage in Acts.

1. First, Peter displays his position as Chief of the Apostles.
2. Second, Bishopric is used as a description, showing that the Apostles were indeed the first Bishops of His Church.
3. Succession is demonstrated .

It is without a doubt, both scripturally and historically that the present day Bishops of His Church are modern day Apostles
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