Cursed is the heart of this people
- By Desk trauma
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Go on.That's selling it a bit short. It has at least three more facets.
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Go on.That's selling it a bit short. It has at least three more facets.
This is so very true. Just a few examples, gerrymandering, insurrection, destroying democracy, talking campaign money from big corporations and billionaires, more recently starving children. This could go on and on but I believe the point is made. You are absolutely correct if they are claiming Republicans are doing something wrong you can bet they have already done or are doing it now.What's that old saying 'don't throw stones if you live in a glass house'. Its funny how on just about every issue the Dems have gone crazy and fixated on in trying to blame Trump and Rep with. It ends up being the exact thing the Dems have done.
You can just about know where the Dems are at by using the very accusations they label Trump with. Those who judge others have to be prepared to be judged by the same standards.
My goal is to inform, to challenge, and to help people think more clearly. Every worldview is a philosophical claim, even the Christian worldview. That said, I'm going to end this thread, because I don't want to run the risk of spending so much of my time on something that's going to be deleted. I'm surprised that so many Christians are unwilling to be challenged, not that you're necessarily saying this, but the implication is there. I see this on the political left all the time. They shout you down, refuse to listen, and ostracize you. It's a way of sealing themselves off from counter-evidence, and it's a shame. Not all Christians are like this, but many are. I want to listen to your response in case I've misinterpreted something.And what would be the epistemic goal in letting those of us who are still Christian know that the historical evidence for the Resurrection of Jesus is, as you've said, "weak"? Is your intention to merely inform us? To infuse us with needed Critical Thinking skills that we often lack? To humble us and urge us to appropriate doxastic humility, especially where politics is concerned?
I have to ask because being that your divulgence to my earlier question implies that theology and apologetics will be stepped on here in the attempt to explicate a particular view of The Philosophy of History and/or Historiography, you run the risk of having this thread closed and removed. And that would be an unfortunate waste of time for both of us.
You can make a reasonable case that orders to bomb boats with alleged smugglers are illegal. You can also reasonably argue that use of the national guard in cities has often been illegal. Judge rules Trump's National Guard deployment to D.C. is illegal. In both cases, however, these issues are going to be dealt with in the courts. It would not be a good idea for individual soldiers to disobey.First, there are already processes in place for dealing with unlawful orders such as the chain of command and the judge advocates. Second, where the heck were Democrats when service members were being kicked out of the military for refusing the COVID vaccines? Third, what illegal orders are these democrats talking about?
Thank you very much for the time and effort you put into all of that to address things for me. I really do appreciate it and will bookmark to reflect.That is very kind of you.
It does not include the perspectives or traditional ways of practicing Christianity that some Christians know are valid, and that do not require belief in inerrancy or infallibility of the Bible. I will go through it for the rest of this post, I will use italics for direct quotes from the article you linked, and dark blue for quotes from other articles or documents.
"The Bible claims to be infallible in 2 Peter 1:19, “We also have the prophetic message as something completely reliable.” Peter continues with a description of how Scripture came to be: “No prophecy of Scripture came about by the prophet’s own interpretation of things. For prophecy never had its origin in the human will, but prophets, though human, spoke from God as they were carried along by the Holy Spirit” (2 Peter 1:20–21)."
There is clear point about what 2 Peter is reffering to with the word "Scripture" - 2 Ptr 1:19-21 - "This is often used as a proof-text about the whole of Scripture being effectively authored by God, but this goes well beyond what the passage is actually saying. Firstly, it refers specifically to OT prophecy, not to the whole of the Bible as we now have it." Bolding mine, from this link - What does the Bible really say about inerrancy?
The Got Questions website, which is the source of the article which you linked to, says this "Actually, 2 Peter 1:20 emphasizes the source of Old Testament prophecies, not who has the right to interpret the Bible today." Bolding mine, in another article here - What does 2 Peter 1:20 mean about interpreting Scripture? | GotQuestions.org .
"Also, we see infallibility implied in 2 Timothy 3:16–17, “All Scripture is God-breathed” and has the effect of producing servants of God who are “thoroughly equipped for every good work.”
"Firstly, the Bible ‘is able to make you wise for salvation through faith in Christ Jesus’ – in other words, the Bible points or leads you to the person of Christ and encourages you to have faith in him, which is what ‘saves’ you. So the Bible here is simply the witness to Jesus." Bolding mine, from the same link above - What does the Bible really say about inerrancy?
Again, Got Questions itself makes this point elsewhere - link to article called "Do I have to believe the Bible is inerrant to be saved? - Do I have to believe the Bible is inerrant to be saved? | GotQuestions.org, which says "We are not saved by believing in the inspiration or inerrancy of the Bible. We are saved by believing in the Lord Jesus Christ as our Savior from sin (John 3:16; Ephesians 2:8–9; Romans 10:9–10). At the same time, though, it is only through the Bible that we learn about Jesus Christ and His death and resurrection on our behalf (2 Corinthians 5:21; Romans 5:8).
"If God is infallible, then so will be His Word. The doctrine of Scripture’s infallibility is based on an understanding of God’s perfection of character. God’s Word is “perfect, refreshing the soul” (Psalm 19:7) because God Himself is perfect. Theologically, God is closely associated with His Word; the Lord Jesus is called “the Word” (John 1:14)."
This, I myself cited in post #39 of this thread, and it is very important. The article appears to condradict itself with this bit, because absolutely the first verses of the Gospel of John make it clear that "the Word" is not actually the Bible, but Jesus. Fervent seems to have been trying to say the same thing in post #29, with my apologies to Fervent if I am wrong about that.
In the Christian faith tradition that I follow, we have a historic document that refers to this matter, based on John 1-14 "II. Of the Word or Son of God, which was made very Man The Son, which is the Word of the Father, begotten from everlasting of the Father, the very and eternal God," and our position on the Bible is refferred to here "VI. Of the Sufficiency of the Holy Scriptures for Salvation Holy Scripture containeth all things necessary to salvation..." and "XX. Of the Authority of the Church...and yet it is not lawful for the Church to ordain anything that is contrary to God's Word written, neither may it so expound one place of Scripture, that it be repugnant to another." Link to 39 Articles of Religion - 39articles .
"It should be noted that the doctrine of infallibility concerns only the original documents. Mistranslations, printing errors, and typos are obvious human mistakes and are easily spotted, most of the time. However, what the biblical writers originally wrote was completely free from error."
It is for this reason that I asked "Which one?" in my first post in this thread, I meant "Are we talking about inerrancy in the original hand written and untranslated form, or one of 776 languages this is a link, or about 900 English language versions. This is a link."?
"The Bible claims complete (as opposed to partial) perfection in Psalm 12:6, Psalm 19:7, Proverbs 30:5, and many other places."
Psalms and Proverbs written before the New Testament existed, before the Incarnation, do not necessarily refer to anything written after themselves.
"It is factual throughout"
Now this is a problematic phrase, because we know that the Bible is a diverse collection of different types of literature, many of which are not even attempting to be factual. That does make any part of the Bible false, or fallible, but it does make this statement wrong.
"and, in fact, judges us (rather than vice-versa),"
No, it is a collection of books, and it is powerless without the saving influence of the Holy Ghost to guide and secure our comprehension of it's messages.
“The word of God is alive and active. Sharper than any double-edged sword, it penetrates even to dividing soul and spirit, joints and marrow; it judges the thoughts and attitudes of the heart” (Hebrews 4:12)."
Again, "the word of God" is identified here already, "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2He was with God in the beginning. 3Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made." John 1 1-3 NIV
I never said it was the components of the ark material that David valued, not sure where you got that from.It wasn't the components of ark material that David valued, but the power of God that killed Uzzah
2 Sam 6
6 And when they came to Nachon's threshingfloor, Uzzah put forth his hand to the ark of God, and took hold of it; for the oxen shook it.
7 And the anger of the Lord was kindled against Uzzah; and God smote him there for his error; and there he died by the ark of God.
The Law it seems is indeed a KILLER. Maybe not in such dramatic fashions as Uzzah, but the shadow of that event definitely STUCK here:
Romans 7:
9 For I was alive without the law once: but when the commandment came, sin revived, and I died
POWER against Uzzah killed him. Just trying to "help out" the law
The Law needs no help of man. It proved all of us, sinners, long long ago. In the Garden iirc, on day one
They are all allegory/similitude/parable/figures/typesMay there not be very many other OT passages that can be interpreted allegorically?
Sorry - but I think you may have your page numbers wrong.
Excellent citing. Shall not fulfill never said we won't have the lusts to contend with.16 I say then: Walk in the Spirit, and you shall not fulfill the lust of the flesh.
I thought the electromagnetic wave effect at the location of the pyramids has already been established with the Schumann resonance frequency.So have anyone measured the 10 kN vibrations in the pyramids? This presupposes that the pyramid vibrates, this is directly measurable. Why doesn't those proposing it just measure if it is the case or not?
Yes and I think there are some papers on the granite and basalt stones showing evidence of thermal and/or stress damage. But also I think the reflective outter casing if white or bright would have radiated.The authors mean to put the hypothetical system in an area with geothermal and seismic activity.
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Man, you sure used a lot of sticky tape to hold your theology together. It's like the patchwork on a Mosaic Quilt, it's inconsistent and incoherent. Makes no sense at all and it's unbiblical.Not what I said, but your outlook tells you otherwise. Yes, death was the result of A&E putting their will ahead of the Will of God. It was a factory built safety in case we went rogue like the elohim previously. The dead were dead as resurrection never became a thing until 2000 years back. Choice was what Jesus gave us as to whether we follow the Will of God or our own in achieving the Kingdom. Those that died before Jesus still had been told all through the OT of the same choice, the same choice given A&E. The difference is now, yes, we still will die as soon as we put our will first and we all do, but now we get a chance to repent and find life again, having understood and shown we are worthy of the Kingdom and accept His will over our own. That understanding was not available to A&E as they had not yet taken the knowledge to be able to understand. They were restricted to 'don't touch' as they had no way of understanding why. We do and should make the right decision, not thinking we can have it both ways, pulling a rabbit out of the hat on our deathbeds but lacking the fruits to prove our allegiance to the will of God.
Yeah that might have ruined us. But then again it seems to me that flipping through yt shorts isn't much different than channel surfing. A little while ago I saw that Roku has Law & Order. But it's live streaming and I didn't want to be tied down to sitting through a whole episode without being able to pause it.I don't know if the internet is the cause, but I find it almost impossible to watch more than 10 or 15 minutes of a movie or tv show before I have to find something else to do. Yet I'd watch YouTube! shorts for hours if I'd let me. I've got the attention span of a three year old.
I never wrote the Ten Commandments- that's God's Testimony that the Holy Spirit personally wrote Deut4:13 Exo31:18 Rev15:5, something He said He would not change. No where in the entire Bible were the apostles commissioned to change God's times and laws and teach another gospel than what God commanded.That is your interpretation of the Scriptures. God anointed Apostles for us to obey, not a book for us to interpret as our limited minds see fit.
Scripture has right interpretation and wrong interpretation. Jesus being tempted by Satan in the desert proves that beautifully. Satan quoted scripture to Jesus in order to tempt Him to sin.
Satan’s interpretation was not wrong, but is was incomplete and misleading in an attempt to get God to contradict Himself. Jesus rebuked him.
I am a disciple of Jesus Christ, and I subject myself to Apostolic teaching, of which we have a record over the last 2,000 years.
Has anyone referenced any of that? Did the Apostles teach the scriptures the way they are being taught today? I don’t see a concrete reference that they did. We even have evidence that they taught contrary to what is being promoted by modern Christians that rely on sola scriptura.
Have modern Bible readers received direct commission from God to go and promote their interpretation and compel obedience? If you are honest, you would have to confess no, but you believe your interpretation is correct.
So what am I to do? Subject myself to those personally anointed by God or subject myself to the opinions of others on what the scripture should say?
Jesus gave the great commission to the Apostles telling them to teach all that I have commanded YOU. He did not hand out gideons bibles and tell them to go into all the world and give them this book and let them figure things out on their own. The Bereans used the scriptures to test Paul, when Paul was shown to be true, they obeyed the Apostle. They did not start an independent Berean congregation
If y’all want to believe modern prophets in no way connected to the Apostles and follow independent thought that is your choice. Do you know where the word heresy comes from? It is derived from the Greek word for choice, hairesis.
It’s ironic that the 1960s counter culture began with growing long hair. You can even hear the song about it from the play Hair, a celebration of freedom of thought and even modern people call themselves pro-choice Ironic that they all sing of the glories of heresy
I whole heartedly agree with your last statement, Sabbath blessings. Jesus is the author of salvation to all that obey Him. It does not say to all that obey you.
To command obedience, one must have Apostolic authority, not free choice independent thought. The Apostles were anointed with tongues of fire, and spread their anointing through the laying on of hands. We have the direct line of apostolic succession all the way back to Peter. What commission from God do you have that we should believe you rather than them?
In order for you to hold yourself above the Apostles, you should at least know what they taught. Have you read Iraneus, demonstration of the Apostolic preaching? Have you read the Catechism of the Catholic Church and all the references included with the teaching?
If not, then you are speaking from independent thought or free choice aka heresy. I don’t follow that choice, I obey God as your final quote states
I admit that my own thoughts can be in error and I submit to being corrected by apostolic teaching. We do not subject ourselves to the choice of men.
... you may read the Bible from Genesis to Revelation, and you will not find a single line authorizing the sanctification of Sunday. The Scriptures enforce the religious observance of Saturday, a day which we never sanctify.
—The Faith of Our Fathers, by James Cardinal Gibbons, Archbishop of Baltimore, 88th edition, page 89. Originally published in 1876, republished and Copyright 1980 by TAN Books and Publishers, Inc., pages 72-73.
This is a misunderstanding of Scripture. You will not find one verse in the entire Bible where the apostles changed God's times and laws- that is something they understood to be bad Dan7:25 and not something they ever did in words or in actions. They faithfully kept every Sabbath in church with both Jews and Gentiles just as Jesus said- My house will be a house of prayer for all nations Mat21:13 and that is on the Sabbath- just like Jesus did who was theirs and our example to follow Luke 4:16 for those who want to join themselves to God, love His name(God) and to be His servants and holds fast to God's covenant- that He said He would not alter His words Psa89:34 not a jot or tittle Mat5:18-19To command obedience, one must have Apostolic authority, not free choice independent thought. The Apostles were anointed with tongues of fire, and spread their anointing through the laying on of hands. We have the direct line of apostolic succession all the way back to Peter. What commission from God do you have that we should believe you rather than them?
I pray that God directs a pathway for you, both spiritually and physically, and pray that in Jesus' name.I don't feel like I can pray right anymore. I'm scared I'm going to hell. I hallucinated audible demons. I have diagnosed schizophrenia but it felt so real.
No they are too stoned on eucalyptus leaves lol. Its the Roos, the Red Kangaroo who can outrun Cheetahs. Or is at least the fastest land animal.Koalas simply outran the cheetahs, and got to Australia first.