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AI search says Adventists are the largest single denomination holding to Sola Scriptura

I loosened the search criteria a bit to ask the question this way, to eliminate the "single administrative body" restriction


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GPT will give answers based on your bias and not on facts. I asked the question, "If St. Cyril were alive today which denomination would he choose to join?" and I was told Lutheran. A friend of mine got Orthodox.
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Biblical Exegesis explanation and discussion

Have you examined the words usage in contemporaneous texts? What is your opinion based on?
There are several coeval authors that come to mind like Gregory of Nyssa that attacked the Arius heretical views using what he called inspired scriptures and divine words. Another one would be Tertullian defending the Trinity calling the scriptures the rule of faith. There is more but I’ll have to look at my studies when I get home.

When I replied to your post my answer was that both of us had read texts but had different opinions. So what is your opinion based on?
That says nothing about the meaning of pneumotheos.
I’m pretty sure that “true utterances of the Holy Spirit” qualifies nicely.
You may disagree, but it's clear that the ECFs didn't hold to a sola scriptura view, and the recognition of canonical rule is not the same thing as the Protestant tradition of the sui generis nature of the text that is wrapped up in the dominant theories of inspiration. Tradition isn't "on par" with Scripture, Scripture is embedded in tradition and cannot be separated from it. To treat them as distinct authorities is the road to error, because that leads to ahistorical eisgesis through bringing modern contexts to the text rather than treating them in their historical context.
We continue to disagree here. I consider Holy Scripture to stand on its own and above tradition. Many errors come from using tradition in the same level as Holy Scripture including the errors by the Pharisees of old that Jesus so eloquently defeated and newer heretical groups like the Mormons and JWs. The history, in fact, favors the uniqueness and sufficiency of scripture.
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Trump suggests he’ll release Jeffrey Epstein ‘client list’ if elected: ‘I’d have no problem with it’

Florida judge grants DOJ motion to unseal Epstein grand jury transcripts

U.S. District Judge Rodney Smith – a Trump appointee – determined that the language of the recently-enacted Epstein Transparency Act "overrides" federal rules prohibiting the public disclosure of grand jury materials.

Smith is one of three federal judges asked by the DOJ to unseal grand jury materials in cases involving Epstein and his convicted co-conspirator, Ghislaine Maxwell. Smith is the first to rule. Two judges in New York are expected to issue their decisions next week.
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Bill Gates Says Climate Change ‘Will Not Lead to Humanity’s Demise’

Oh, the new analysis says that? Gotcha.
Again, between 2014 and now a lot of progress has been made, which has lowered the expected warming.
The most accepted analysis is the IPCC roadmap.
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Why Is It So Hard for Christians to Talk About Justice and Greed?

And many 'Christians' avoid discussions along those lines specifically, as one example.
I thought fear of McCarthyism which led to an unethical fear of loving all as self was no longer an influence. But I guess the will of man reigns over the will of God.
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Obama care collapsing.....

Democrats will force a Senate vote on a 3-year extension of Affordable Care Act funds

The legislation is all but guaranteed to fail next week due to widespread Republican opposition and become a key issue in the 2026 elections as insurance premiums rise.

“Republicans have one week to decide where they stand: Vote for this bill and bring health care costs down, or block this bill and send premiums skyrocketing,” Schumer said on the floor. “That’s what’s at stake when we vote next week. It’s going to be one of the most important votes we take.”

The vote is the product of a promise that Senate Majority Leader John Thune, R-S.D., made to Democrats in discussions to end the record-long government shutdown last month. Thune reiterated Tuesday that the Senate will vote next week on any bill Democrats propose — but it will require 60 votes to pass, meaning at least 13 Republicans would need to support it.
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UnitedHealthcare CEO fatally shot in midtown Manhattan, law enforcement official says

Speaking of Miranda rights

Video shows Luigi Mangione says he didn't want to talk. Police kept asking questions

Although Mangione signaled he wasn't interested in speaking, police continued asking questions, and he continued answering, video showed. Nearly 20 minutes passed before police informed him of his right to remain silent.
If he answered that is on him. The question is did you ask for his lawyer? That might make a difference.
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Fear, pain and hunger: The dire impact of shutting down USAID in Africa, leaving a vacuum for China and Russia

He's certainly not responsible for ALL the problems in Sudan, but he contributed to the humanitarian crisis by folding his arms and doing nothing about it. Food, doctors and medicine are desperately needed? That's why we were sending them some, until you stopped it, shouting AMERICA FIRST!
And now on the vacuum part:

Sudan offers Russia Red Sea base for 25 years in exchange for arms

Sudan's government has offered Russia its first naval base in Africa, in exchange for arms, as the military continues to battle the Rapid Support Forces (RSF), a renegade militia that Moscow initially supported.

The agreement would see the establishment of a Russian naval base in the Red Sea's Port Sudan, or another facility, that would house 300 personnel and dock up to four naval vessels, including nuclear-powered ones, according to Sudanese officials speaking to The Wall Street Journal.
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Even if (more likely "when") Momdani becomes NYC Mayor studies show the richest New Yorkers will stay

‘There is no Mamdani effect’: Manhattan luxury home sales surge after mayoral election, undercutting predictions of doom and escape to Florida

In the aftermath of much well-heeled panic about a potential mass exodus of New York millionaires and billionaires following the election of Zohran Mamdani, the contrary is already happening, and Manhattan luxury apartment buyers are voting with their wallets.

Signed contracts for Manhattan homes costing $4 million or more rose to 176 in November, a 25% increase from October’s 141 deals, according to fresh data from brokerage Douglas Elliman and appraiser Miller Samuel. New signed contracts of more than $4 million increased at more than twice the rate of the overall market, the report noted.

Olshan Realty similarly noted an uptick in Manhattan luxury buyers. In its most recent market report, the firm said the 17 contracts signed in the last week of November for Manhattan homes over $4 million bested its 10-year Thanksgiving week average.
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KJV

Aren't we expected to be who we are, in truth and all the time? Why slip on KJ English as though it was some kind of vestiment? Well, I'd suggest that maybe unconsciously, people different when they use that language. More spiritual? More connected to God?
Using different language set aside for prayer isn't changing who you are. Vestments are actually a good example; the priest or pastor doesn't change who he is by putting on vestments, but vestments are a recognition that he's doing something that is set apart for God. Similarly, using more formal English in prayer and worship is a way of setting those things apart from our more casual daily life.
I obviously can't speak for them, but I'd love to hear what they've got to say. When I've had a chance to bring this up in person all I've got back is sort of blank faces.
When you're raised praying that way, it seems like such common sense that you struggle to grasp how someone couldn't understand it. It's like being asked why you should dress nicely for church or treat the Bible with some amount of reverence. These things used to be common sense; the question just wouldn't have been asked.
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Trump Says US Will Permanently Pause Migration From 'Third World Countries'

Trump's calls for “remigration,” a form of ethnic cleansing, echo Nick Fuentes' calls to roll back immigration

On November 27, Trump posted on Truth Social that he would “permanently pause migration from all Third World Countries to allow the U.S. system to fully recover,” adding, “Only REVERSE MIGRATION can fully cure this situation.” Trump’s latest comments come after the Department of Homeland Security publicly called for immigrants to “remigrate,” Trump’s State Department announced the opening of an “Office of Remigration” in April [see below], and Trump pledged during his 2024 presidential campaign to “revoke deportation immunity, suspend refugee resettlement, and return Kamala’s illegal migrants to their home countries (also known as remigration).”

Fuentes has also celebrated right-wing media figures and politicians who have embraced the idea of an end to all immigration or even remigration, boasting in June that “I've never seen the right wing so angry and so explicitly against mass migration, so close to expressing their disdain in racial terms. ... the groypers have won. It's just not even a question at this point.”

In reaction to Trump's Truth Social post about “reverse migration,” Fuentes said that “this is awesome,” and he also called it a “great post,” saying it’s “funny, hilarious, incisive, witty, direct.”

See also:

According to a post about the summit on the Global Project Against Hate and Extremism’s website, “Remigration is rooted in the thoroughly de-bunked white supremacist ‘Great Replacement’ conspiracy theory, which purports a planned ‘replacement’ of white people by politicians and other ‘elites.’ Jews are often targeted as driving this ‘plan.’”

They continued: “Remigration is a series of policy proposals, drafted by Austrian Identitarian and former neo-Nazi Martin Sellner, to end the so-called ‘replacement’ by purging the continent of non-white people and eliminating all forms of multiculturalism. The goal is to make countries ‘European again.’”

US State Department set to launch Office of Remigration

... which will “provide a policy platform for interagency coordination with DHS and other agencies on removals/repatriations, and for intra-agency policy work to advance the President’s immigration agenda.” There will also be offices of International Migration/Repatriation and Refugee Processing.
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Why We See Different Stars - Utter Nonsence
  • Earth's Curvature: Because the Earth is a sphere, an observer's horizon blocks from view the stars that are in the other hemisphere's sky. If you are far in the north, the southern part of the celestial sphere is below your horizon, and vice versa.
This is Utter Nonsense.
WHY is it?
No, don't spend the next hour searching for a YouTube video to explain it. If you are convinced it's nonsense, tell us why - in your own words, please. What makes it nonsense and what data/pictures have you got to prove it?

I suspect that a summary of your position would be, "this is nonsense because my beliefs, and Dean Odle, say that it is."
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Now does everyone understand why the "right to refuse illegal orders" video was made?

Latest reporting says the designated terrorist drug dealers climbed back into the boat . They were not clinging to life in the water and murdered in cold blood. The goal was to sink the boat of drugs . If the first missile failed to accomplish that goal the second strike was warranted. It appears those brave drug terrorist chose to go down with their boat load of drugs. Everyone knows a brave Captain of a boat will go down with the ship if necessary. Those that support those that trafficking drugs that kill thousands should take a look at themselves and find another cross to die on.
This is a cartoonish take on the situation…what choice did the “crew” have after their boat had sustained such damage?


You’re riding in your boat, (same as it ever was), then there’s an explosion and you’re in the water and the boat has stopped.
You will not know what had just happened. All that you know is that there was an explosion and now you’re concerned for your continued existence.
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U.S. Bishops’ full statement on immigration and opposing mass deportation released

Irish Star on Republican attacks on the bishops' message. (via MSN)

Mainly so I can quote this bit from Pentagon journalist Laura Loomer, who seems to be simultaneously supporting and opposing antisemitism on the right, with a dash of nostalgia for the anti-Catholic Klan.

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"Don't Give up the Ship"

...because blowing up boats with very expensive ordance makes for a good TV show......yet they still have not realeased the full, unedited video to the public.

I would have have loved to be a fly on the wall when the Naval commander of the USS Ford received orders to leave the Mediterranean sea and head to......Venezuela. I'm sure there were a few choice words used.....
I've seen a rough cost estimate of about $1,000,000 per "narco-terrorist" killed, counting most costs involved in the total operation.
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I feel the church too hermetic..

I pray you will find a parish that knows outreach. Orthodoxy is often not well organized for outreach which is unfortunate. I am in America and my understanding of Orthodoxy in Europe is obviously uninformed. In America, Orthodoxy is really variable in outreach and evangelism and some parishes thrive. I wish you were near our parish in the US; you would be faithfully welcomed & received efficiently.
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Leo XIV Shuts Down Vatican Donations Commission 10 Months After Its Creation by Pope Francis

The commission was created earlier this year by Pope Francis.​


Pope Leo XIV has suppressed a Vatican donations commission less than 10 months after it was established by his predecessor Pope Francis.

The Vatican released Dec. 4 a chirograph, signed Sept. 29 by Pope Leo XIV, suppressing the Commissio de donationibus pro Sancta Sede, or Commission of Donations for the Holy See, which sought to raise much-needed funds for the Vatican.

Pope Francis had signed a document establishing the commission Feb. 11, three days before he was admitted to Rome’s Gemelli Hospital and 69 days before his death at the age of 88.

The new chirograph suppressing the commission said that the move came as a recommendation of the Vatican’s Council for the Economy, which “devoted particular attention to studying this issue, reexamining it and consulting with experts in the field.”

The chirograph also announced the creation of a working group “to formulate proposals regarding the general issue of fundraising for the Holy See, along with the definition of an appropriate structure.”

Members of the working group will be proposed to Leo XIV by the Vatican’s Council for the Economy, via the Secretariat of State.

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I am beginning to have some hope again in pope Leo now that he is moving to undo some things pope Francis did. If he finally gets around to undo Fiducia supplicans and the like I might even be able to contemplate a donation to Peter's Pence. For now I wait.

While I don't particularly like how he partially undid Traditiones custodes by saying he would grant the exception of any bishop who asks, he did at least make some progress. I have a glimmer of hope there may be more progress if and when he comes into his own, hopefully as a faithful Catholic.
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Consumer Prices Will Go Down From Day One? Will Gas Prices Go Down 50% Within A Year?

Let's watch each month and make the 2026 election a referendum on the keeping of those promises.
1) Does inflation go down each month compared to a year ago?
2) Do food prices go down, actually go down as promised?
3) Does the price of eggs go down?
4) Do gas prices go down?
I don’t expect them to go down but if they don’t go up I would say that’s an improvement.
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Furious Democrats Call for Schumer to Be Replaced After Shutdown Cave

Here are the Democrats calling for Schumer to be replaced as leader​


Democrats have been pushing back on Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer (D-N.Y.) after eight party members voted in favor of a stopgap measure to reopen the government.

The 60-40 vote approving a continuing resolution to fund much of the government until Jan. 30 leaves health care subsidies in limbo, cementing disdain for Schumer, who previously said extending ObamaCare subsidies was a “life or death” provision for Democrats.

In early October, the Senate minority leader said there was “no (obscenity deleted) way” party members would cave on health care demands to reopen the government.
Well, they get to do it all over again in January.
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Do the Ten Commandments apply to Christians today?

The helpful website, gotquestions.org, has over 10,000 answers to frequently asked Bible questions, such as this one: "Do Christians have to obey the Old Testament law?"

After briefly explaining some of the laws that were given to God's people, (Ten Commandments, civil, ceremonial) their website states, "None of the Old Testament law is binding on Christians today."

Do you see any problem with their answer?

While it is true that God does not expect believers today to follow the Old Testament laws regarding the sacrificial system, food and clothing rules, etc., it is unwise in my view to claim that the Ten Commandments are not "binding on Christians today."

After all, examine the New Testament instructions given to Christians in the words of Jesus, and the writings of Paul, Peter and James. While Scripture makes it clear that Christians "are not under law, but under grace," (Romans 6:14) followers of Christ are presented with many rules for holy living in the New Testament. And these godly instructions line up beautifully with the Ten Commandments.

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And anyone can red HEBREWS 8:13 says that the LAW has WAXETH. OLD // GOROSKO is in the PRESENT TENSE

in the ACTIVE VOICE , in. the NOMINATIVE CASE in. the SINGULAR. in. the NOMINATIVE CASE , in. the NEUTER


READY // ONGYS. is and ADVERB

TO VANISH AWAY //. APHANISMOS. in. the GENITIVE CASE. in. the SINGULAR

And check. Acts 25:28 and isa 1:12. !!

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I hold a view similar to the Open View of God.

It was not a lie. It was a threat. And, indeed, if they had not repented, he would have destroyed them. (By the way, if he had not intended that they repent, why would he go to all that trouble to send Jonah in the precise way that he did?

That's a side issue. I'm not saying he's happy that most will perish.

No. I'm saying that it is a logically self-contradictory notion. (Nobody but God is entirely free). So why would he even consider it? It's not that he can't. It's that it is a non-thing.

The story of Nineveh and Jonah is not about salvation, by the way, so it is not the same sort of repentance. I can go to the fridge to get cream cheese for my bagel, go to the living room where my bagel is, and when I open the cream cheese, it has gray hair growing in it. I repent of my course of action. I go back to the kitchen for something else. The people of Nineveh were wicked, God demanded they change their ways or else. This is not repentance concerning their sinfulness. It is simple repentance of what they were doing. Would you claim they loved God after that repentance? It was still corrupt. But, at least, and for a time, they stopped what they were doing.

Define free choice. Uncaused choice? That makes no sense. Only God chooses, uncaused to do so. If you like, we can into the details of that. Can you show me how anything happens uncaused to do so? Only God is uncaused.

Does the capability of rejecting God's commands, and even God's offer of forgiveness and salvation, imply free will? Demonstrate to me that there is anything we do entirely spontaneously. For starters: Is there anything we do that we don't most want to do at that instant of decision?

Here and above, you consider "God's will" as only one thing. The implication is that God fully intended that we all be holy as he is holy; yet, somehow, only Christ Jesus has been able to do that.
Yes, that is true, if you replace "intended" with "desired".
The law —all of it God's will—was given to demonstrate our sin and our need for him
Not to tell us what He wants us to do?
, because we are unable to obey it perfectly, and so we deserve death.
But His law included the steps to take when the laws were disobeyed. How do you obey those parts if you never disobey the other parts? God's law helped people to avoid death.
We need his mercy. Even you don't believe that is all that his will is. He also wills for things to happen quite apart from his law.
Opposite His law? In other words, does God both will that all oeople keep His law and at the same time will that all people break His law? What lawmaker would do that? Maybe you should divide between God's intended will and God's contingent will, like Nineveh.
And those things are a little harder to know. So there are at least two things that are called/considered the will of God. The one thing is not the same as the other. If you think God never intended for Lucifer to rebel and Adam to sin, then why did he bother to make us?
I dont understand the question. Are you saying that we are undesired by God unless Lucifer rebelled and Adam sinned?
He made us to be the Bride of Christ, the Body of Christ, the Children of God, the Dwelling Place of God, his People with Him in a way the angels can never be. And THAT would not happen, but for Redemption.
Or perfect obedience in the first place. That makes the current scheme contingent.
So everyone has acted against his command (his revealed will), but none of us can ruin his plans (his hidden will).
Are our sins part of His hidden will? Every sin ever committed? If He couldn't make a sinless population from the start, He desires us to sin instead?
He doesn't fly by the seat of his pants to accomplish some general end.
Huh? Is someone suggesting that?
Read the prophets where repeatedly God used foreign kings to punish Israel —even refers to one of them as a tool— and then punishes them for doing so. They were not obeying.
Can't they both obey the command to punish Israel and also disobey commands for the treatment of the people? I don't see why it has to be a dichotomy.
They were only accomplishing what God had planned for them to do.
Plus some extra God didn't want them to do
Do you think that Satan will not have to pay for what he did to Job?
I don't know how God accounts for Satan's individual acts, but he didn't have to argue with God, did he? Are you saying that God wants Satan to kill, steal, and destroy? Why then is God any more moral than Satan?
Yet God put him up to it, fully intending that that beautiful book would be read by his people.
Was that the whole purpose of the episode? Or was God actually working to bring about a better understanding for Job, his wife, his friends?
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