BNR32FAN said:

Yeah I agree, there is nothing wrong with carrying a weapon it all depends on what you intend to do with it.

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Agreed - open carry is not the issue.

As shown the statistics show a 50/50 split of the top ten cities where the gun violence is the worst. 5 have open carry and 5 do not.

Strong in Him said:

you just don't accept it.

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No, and besides it's not a Godly thing to do.

Wow. The false claims here against the President, are frightening...
Never thought I'd see the day where people are sooo anti-Trump, to whereas they 1)defend terrorists' liberty to be terrorists and 2)lobby hard for narco-terrorists to be allowed to try to annihilate Americans' lives and migrants' lives.

Dan Perez said:

And and your quotes of John and ACTS are b. all speaking to Israel. , like John 3:3. and 5. and John 10:27 and the BODY of CHRIST to be

called SHEEP. !!

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Hey Dan

John 10:27 would be spiritual Israel. these are already OT believers and declared righteous by promise. John 3:3,5 would be speaking of the way to become part of spiritual Israel.

Servus said:

Funny how gobs of cash being forked out to forginers is highly recommended by certain people who want them pouring in by the millions to get on the gravy train. But when the president wants to give some money to hardworking tax paying citizens there's outrage over how that's going to hurt the economy.

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You'd have to take that up with somebody who was outraged over it. I thought Trump's plan was silly and simple-minded, but not enough to get worked up over.

BPPLEE said:

1.1 billion people in the world live in poverty. Do you think they all should come to the US?

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If you weed out the criminals first and set up a system to get everybody on the books and paying taxes, etc, then yes. I've said before on here that I'm about as open-borders as you can get. There are a number of problems in this country caused or exacerbated by declining populations and immigration is the only way to fix them. It'll cost money in the short term, but pay for itself down the road.

Of course, the reality is that the world's 1.1 billion poor aren't going to come here. The folks who make the trek will skew towards those with means, ambition, and perserverence - the sorts of qualities that we laud in the early settlers.

Anything good that comes from us for the Church is an undeserved gift from God. The lists given in Scripture are general. If it's from the Holy Spirit, not the flesh, it's good and thus a gift. That's the Biblical meaning of the gifts. Setting aside the sign gifts per the rules.

In short, It's the fruit of the Spirit.

John 15:1-5 "I am the true vine, and My Father is the vinedresser. Every branch in Me that does not bear fruit He takes away; and every branch that bears fruit He prunes, that it may bear more fruit. You are already clean because of the word which I have spoken to you. Abide in Me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, unless it abides in the vine, neither can you, unless you abide in Me. I am the vine, you are the branches. He who abides in Me, and I in him, bears much fruit; for without Me you can do nothing.

"...for without Me you can do nothing", nothing good implied. That's where the gifts come from.

1 Corinthians 4:7 For who makes you differ from another? And what do you have that you did not receive? Now if you did indeed receive it, why do you boast as if you had not received it?

Ephesians 4:7-8, 11-12 But to each one of us grace was given according to the measure of Christ's gift. Therefore He says: "When He ascended on high, He led captivity captive, And gave gifts to men."....And He Himself gave some to be apostles, some prophets, some evangelists, and some pastors and teachers, for the equipping of the saints for the work of ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ,

All the gifts are for the edification of the Church. Any gifts used for self edification is in fact in direct contradiction to Paul's teaching in 1 Corinthians, and therefore, most likely, not from the Spirit and not a gift from God.

1 Corinthians 14:12 Even so you, since you are zealous for spiritual gifts, let it be for the edification of the church that you seek to excel.

No need to get goofy with this stuff. Scripture is pretty clear. 1 Corinthians 12-14, Paul lays down the foundation of purpose, to edify the Body, not ourselves. Then gives us examples of the what to do (edify the Body), and then gives us examples of the what not to do (edify self). Though many teach the 'what not to do" as commands, and as good things, these are clearly examples of what not to do. Love is the great qualifier. Love is not self seeking.

Whenever in doubt, ask if what you're doing passes the simple test of love.

1 Corinthians 13:4-8A Love suffers long and is kind; love does not envy; love does not parade itself, is not puffed up; does not behave rudely, does not seek its own, is not provoked, thinks no evil; does not rejoice in iniquity, but rejoices in the truth; bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things. Love never fails....

Remember, fruit of the Spirit (Galatians 5:22-23), good, a gift. The flesh, not good, not a gift, but sin.

Galatians 5:16-17 I say then: Walk in the Spirit, and you shall not fulfill the lust of the flesh. For the flesh lusts against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh; and these are contrary to one another, so that you do not do the things that you wish.

SuperCow said:

We either disagree or do not understand each other. The debate is to find out which it is, or to help lurkers see both sides and understand the implications for themselves.

As to your question, I will provide a simple example from a human frame of reference, as we can argue all day about God's frame of reference, but any rational person should realize that we have no idea about what goes on there, but philosophically, the implications are the same.

Let's theorize that there is somehow a scientist who is perfect, mistake-free, and somehow can understand all of the variables that go into a particular experiment like a controlled energy blast that ignites in a vacuum when he pushes a big red button. He can set up his experiment in one of two ways:

1.) He meticulously works out all the variables ahead of time so that when he pushes that button, he knows where every particle will go, how they will affect each other and everything goes as planned. Nothing new is learned or particularly interesting to the scientist as he knew what was going to happen all along.

2.) He sets up the same experiment, but in this variation, he decides to not calculate every particle but allows them to interact with each other on their own. He still sets up constraints so that they will not leave the vacuum or be in a position to destroy the experiment. Still many different things can happen, and the result is far more satisfying.

You could call it omniscience by default vs omniscience by choice.

You could relate Satan to a rogue jealous scientist who decides to alter the development of two of the particles, but I think this story would get too long and convoluted if I worked out analogies for everything in Genesis.



I really don't see the difference between the two sentences. I agree with both of them. External causation means I am not making the choice.



You are correct from a logical standpoint, but that is irrelevant. The question is whether God already knows my future choices, thereby making my choice moot. Assuming that we both agree that the world contains a lot of evil people, then it's not just a case of God allowing evil to happen. It's a case of God creating evil in its entirety, a concept that I reject.



I don't have a problem with God being at the beginning of all causation. I have a problem with a concept whose logical end result is that God is responsible for man's fall from grace, not man.



I think we have no way of knowing what reality is for God. I think that omnipotence relative to humanity tells me nothing about the environment in the spiritual world. And I think omniscience by default logically precludes God's freedom and sets up all sorts of paradoxes that cannot be resolved.

God sees A, but wants B, and so intervenes and changes the result to B, but then A never occurred, so God shouldn't have been able to see A as a future, because there was no future A.

And that was a ridiculously simplistic example.

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I'll highlight this part of what you say, because it is representative of what we disagree on:



Right from the get-go you step out of fact into supposition. God does not simply "see A but want B". That misrepresents what God is doing. It represents the facet WE see, by virtue of a general knowledge we have of him and his nature, and by comparison to his stated commands. While we indeed (as you said) have no way of knowing what reality is for God, we can know some things, such as the fact that it is not how we see it.

It would be useful to do a good study on the theological and philosophical Attributes of God of Aseity, Simplicity and Immanence. Consider the notion, for example, that for God to think is to do, as opposed to the human notions of God considering this or that possibility. If what is possible is exactly all he does, and there is no other fact, then "what would be [otherwise] 'possible' is only by our lack of knowledge". As RC Sproul quoted, "Chance is only a substitute for, 'I don't know.'" ALL FACT DEPENDS ON GOD.

God sees A because he caused A. "There is no plan B." That B goes against his command has to do with what SHOULD HAVE happened. Don't confuse his command with his plan ( =the theological term, 'his decree').

Disclaimer concerning the following statements: My representation of how you see things is drawn on what I hear you saying, and admittedly may be off somewhat:

essentialsaltes said:

Alina Habba resigns as New Jersey US attorney after appeals court defeat​

She announced her resignation as U.S. attorney in a social media post on Monday. She will remain serving as "Senior Adviser to the Attorney General for U.S. Attorneys."

The resignation comes after a protracted legal fight about whether she could serve in the U.S. attorney role without Senate confirmation.

“Following the flawed Third Circuit decision disqualifying Alina Habba from performing her duties in the U.S. Attorney's office for the District of New Jersey, I am saddened to accept Alina's resignation," Attorney General Pam Bondi said in a statement. "The Department of Justice will seek further review of this decision, and we are confident it will be reversed."

The Trump administration has faced growing headwinds over its efforts to install Trump loyalists as top prosecutors in U.S. attorneys' offices across the country, suffering a string of court defeats as judges raise concerns they're actively disregarding the law.

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Halligan is still hanging on for dear life.

AI works better when asking it to look at Bible only. This was my results from the same question which matches my Bibles study on this verse I have been studying for years.


Great question — Colossians 2:16 is often cited in discussions about whether Christians are still required to keep the Sabbath commandment (the Fourth Commandment). Let's look at the verse carefully, in its full context, and then assess whether it refers to the weekly Sabbath from the Ten Commandments or ceremonial sabbaths in the Law of Moses.

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Colossians 2:16–17 (NKJV)​

16 So let no one judge you in food or in drink, or regarding a festival or a new moon or sabbaths,
17 which are a shadow of things to come, but the substance is of Christ.

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Key Questions:​

1. What kind of “sabbaths” is Paul talking about?​

Let’s break the phrase down:

“festival, new moon, or sabbaths”

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This phrase appears in many places in the Old Testament, often in this same order, and always refers to ceremonial observances:

• 1 Chronicles 23:31
• 2 Chronicles 2:4
• 2 Chronicles 31:3
• Nehemiah 10:33
• Ezekiel 45:17
• Hosea 2:11

These texts link festivals, new moons, and sabbaths as ceremonial observances — part of the Mosaic (Levitical) system, not the weekly seventh-day Sabbath of the Ten Commandments.


That’s why Paul says in Col. 2:17:

"which are a shadow of things to come, but the substance is of Christ."

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In other words, these ceremonial laws pointed forward to Christ and found their fulfillment in Him.

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2. Is the weekly Sabbath also a shadow?​

There’s a strong distinction between:

• The weekly Sabbathwas:
  • Given at Creation (Genesis 2:2–3)
  • Reinforced in the Ten Commandments (Exodus 20:8–11)
  • Not instituted as a shadow, but as a memorial of creation
• The ceremonial sabbaths(e.g., Day of Atonement, Feast of Trumpets) are:
  • Called sabbaths too (see Leviticus 23)
  • Fall on various days, not necessarily the seventh day
  • Shadows pointing to Jesus' work

Therefore, when Paul talks about “sabbaths which are a shadow”, he refers to these ceremonial sabbaths, not the weekly Sabbath of the Fourth Commandment.

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3. Did Jesus or the Apostles abolish the weekly Sabbath?​

• Jesus kept the Sabbath (Luke 4:16)
• The disciples kept the Sabbath after Jesus' death (Acts 13:42, 16:13, 17:2, 18:4)
• Hebrews 4:9 says:
  

  "There remains therefore a Sabbath rest [Greek: sabbatismos] for the people of God."

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✅ Conclusion:​

Colossians 2:16 does not cancel the weekly Sabbath commandment.
It refers to ceremonial sabbaths, along with food and drink offerings, and religious festivals that were shadows pointing to Christ.


The Fourth Commandment Sabbath is not a shadow, but a memorial of creation and a sign of God’s sanctifying work (Exodus 31:13, Ezekiel 20:12).

2. But Which Commandment Does God Emphasize Most in the Bible?​

✅ The Fourth Commandment (Sabbath) is the only one God:​

• Calls "My holy day" (Isaiah 58:13)
• Links to Creation (Genesis 2:1–3; Exodus 20:11)
• Uses to test Israel's obedience before Sinai (Exodus 16)
• Commands to remember as a sign between Him and His people (Ezekiel 20:12, 20)
• Institutes as a covenantal sign (Exodus 31:13–17)

The Fourth Commandment is the most directly spoken about by God throughout the Bible. It is personally claimed by Him, reaffirmed repeatedly, and tied to His identity as both Creator and Sanctifier.

BCP1928 said:

According to that article it was Congress,

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Yep

CLEEB said:

Will the saints be glorified, rule and reign with Christ as kings and priests ? What kind of body will the saints have in the resurrection ? After being glorified will the saints still be able to sin ? Will the total number of these saints be millions, thousands or billions or just a few. I have wondered about these things.

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NO human has been 'glorified' yet. That is: made into a Spiritual, Eternal being.
This does not and cannot happen before the Great White Throne Judgment; Rev 20:11-15

Pauls Prophecy in 1 Corinthians 15:50-56, refers to those whose names will be found in the Book of Life. Only after the Millennium, will Death be no more; Rev 21:4

I suspect this happy news is the result of the Church of England alienating its devout Anglo-Catholic members with liberal policies, implemented due to pressure from the state. The Orthodox Church has seen a similar influx in the UK; in the Antiochian Orthodox church in the UK they’re so numerous as to be called “Angliochians.”

Earlier this week, Anna Gallagher, executive director of the Catholic Legal Immigration Network Inc. (CLINIC) crooned: “As we enter the Advent season, we remember that the Holy Family themselves were migrants seeking safety.” It is a recurring motif to validate the resistance of the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops (USCCB) to curtailment of illegal immigration.

In November, the USCCB prepared for Advent by declaring war on the Trump administration with a “Special Pastoral Message on Immigration.” The insurrectionist tenor of this rare “special message” places the globalist conceits — and monetary interests — of the hierarchy ahead of the just laws of their own country.

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Hentenza said:

So what God said in Deut. 1 is wrong?

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I never said it was God expanded on this same event, both are true, Scripture does not delete Scripture and just because you don't like Eze20:15-16 where God said verbatim why the Israelites did not enter into their promised land of rest, doesn't make what God said plainly not true.

Hentenza said:

And again, Sabbaths is plural in that verse so it doesn’t necessarily mean the weekly sabbath. You can’t be dogmatic about a verse where there could be optional definitions.

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The context will let us know. In NKJV they capitalize the S weekly Sabbaths and a lower s with the annual sabbaths. God never put more emphasizes on the annuals sabbaths that had to do with animal and food offerings and sacrifices as He did to the weekly Sabbath that has to do with our time with God. Why the weekly Sabbath started at Creation before sin Exo20:11, the other yearly sabbaths added after sin.

Hentenza said:

You don’t because I don’t read my pet doctrine into the verses like you do.

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This is usually a sign when people do not have strong arguments, just go for the insults.

Hentenza said:

However, you are verse mining and not taking into account the actual context which begins in chapter 3.

“For we who have believed enter that rest, just as He has said, “As I swore in My anger, They certainly shall not enter My rest,” although His works were finished from the foundation of the world. For He has said somewhere concerning the seventh day: “And God rested on the seventh day from all His works”; and again in this passage, “They certainly shall not enter My rest.” Therefore, since it remains for some to enter it, and those who previously had good news preached to them failed to enter because of disobedience,”
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Notice that in verse 3 the writer is talking about “that” rest which refers to the believers rest from verse 1. He is contrasting the believers rest with the sabbath rest.

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No the context is what the writer refers to what David said. Hebrews 4 is mainly quoting OT. Hebrews 3 and some of 4 is quoting verbatim what David said, nothing about changing God's Sabbath commandment or today being the day that deletes the 4th commandment. He quotes what he means, so no need adding what's not there.

Heb 4:7 again He designates a certain day, saying in David, “Today,” after such a long time, as it has been said:

“Today, if you will hear His voice,
Do not harden your hearts.”

Heb 3:7 Therefore, as the Holy Spirit says:

“Today, if you will hear His voice,
8 Do not harden your hearts as in the rebellion,
In the day of trial in the wilderness,
9 Where your fathers tested Me, tried Me,
And saw My works forty years.
10 Therefore I was angry with that generation,
And said, ‘They always go astray in their heart,
And they have not known My ways.’
11 So I swore in My wrath,
‘They shall not enter My rest.’ ”



Psa 95:7 Today, if you will hear His voice:
8 “Do not harden your hearts, as in the [c]rebellion,
As in the day of [d]trial in the wilderness,
9 When your fathers tested Me;
They tried Me, though they saw My work.
10 For forty years I was [e]grieved with that generation,
And said, ‘It is a people who go astray in their hearts,
And they do not know My ways.’
11 So I swore in My wrath,
‘They shall not enter My rest.’ ”

If one doesn't look at the OT references that Heb 4 quotes from, will never understand this passage, it quotes at least 4 OT references and speaks of two rest, the one we enter through faith and obedience and the Sabbath rest which is on the seventh day Heb4:4,9-10. No one enters His rest by being in rebellion to God and His commandments hence why David is being quoted.

Hentenza said:

“Therefore, since it remains for some to enter it, and those who previously had good news preached to them failed to enter because of disobedience,”
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Look at the therefore. This is a conclusion from the first 5 verses of this chapter. These have been preached the gospel which had not been preached to those that Joshua (not Christ) brought into the promise land. The people that had the gospel preached to are the converted Jews that continue to try to force the law on the Christian church. This is the disobedience and the writer’s argument in the first 3 chapters of Hebrews.

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Your commentary is not matching the Scriptures.

Hentenza said:

“But some of the sect of the Pharisees who had believed stood up, saying, “It is necessary to circumcise them and to direct them to keep the Law of Moses.””
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Circumcision is not one of the Ten Commandments, its the law of Moses as the Text says, they were not debating if one should keep or not keep the Sabbath commandment in Acts 15, they were already keeping it in every city for many generations every Sabbath Acts 15:21

Hentenza said:

And,

“After there had been much debate, Peter stood up and said to them, “Brothers, you know that in the early days God made a choice among you, that by my mouth the Gentiles would hear the word of the gospel and believe. And God, who knows the heart, testified to them giving them the Holy Spirit, just as He also did to us; and He made no distinction between us and them, cleansing their hearts by faith. Since this is the case, why are you putting God to the test by placing upon the neck of the disciples a yoke which neither our forefathers nor we have been able to bear? But we believe that we are saved through the grace of the Lord Jesus, in the same way as they also are.””
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Nothing about the Sabbath commandment- God said it was a blessing and a delight Isa58:13-14 only those who don't want to spend time with God on the day God set aside made holy and sanctified would consider it a yoke of bondage. Those same people would not be very happy in heaven when the Sabbath continues for worship Isa66:22-23. God is love and would never force one for eternity to do something they feel is a yoke. Why His judgement will be one of love and if we love Him we will keep His commandments, His versions, not the man-made ones.

Hentenza said:

No yoke if the law, including sabbath keeping, for the gentiles.

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You added that when the Scriptures did not. Something I would be careful according to Scripture Pro30:6 of but I think we are long past that at this point.

I am going to move on and won't be responding further to your posts, because we view Scripture much different and we are past the point of trying to reason. In the end it doesn't matter what you think or what I think, God will settle this debate period. I believe He has in His written and spoken Testimony Exo31:18 Deut 4:13 Psa89:34 Mat5:18-30 but I guess we shall see soon enough. We just need to accept the decisions we make because soon we will no longer be able to change them Rev22:11

Be well.

essentialsaltes said:

Trump backtracks on releasing boat strike video, distances himself from controversy​

"Whatever Hegseth wants to do is OK with me," Trump said.

[HIs leadership certainly brings tears to my eyes.]

President Donald Trump, after initially saying he had "no problem" with releasing the video of the Sept. 2 strike on an alleged drug boat in the Caribbean Sea that killed two survivors, is now reversing course and deferring to Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth.

"I didn't say that," Trump claimed when pressed on Monday by ABC News Senior Political Correspondent Rachel Scott about his Dec. 3 comments.

ABC Senior White House Correspondent Selina Wang asked the president in the Oval Office on Dec. 3, "Will you release video of that strike -- so that the American people can see for themselves?"

Trump responded, "I don't know what they have, but whatever they have, we’d certainly release no problem."

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I love tuesdays.

I read it. And agree.

In the spirit of the old philosophical quandary about whether a tree felled in a forest makes a sound if there is no one on hand to hear it, I present the following question for your consideration: If a Christmas card is sent but neither acknowledged nor replied to in kind, can it still be considered received?

Over the years, I have had ample opportunities to consider this conundrum. Following the example of my parents, who were enthusiastic Christmas card senders, I first began sending my own Christmas cards when I was a teenager. While the sending of Christmas cards is surely its own reward, I readily acknowledge that few do so in absence of the hope of receiving Christmas cards back. So, ceding to the unhappy reality that few of my peers were likely practiced in the art of placing a stamp on an envelope, my Christmas card lists skewed older: I tended to send cards to relatives (grandparents, aunts, uncles) and friends of my parents.

For a long time, my calculated approach proved largely successful: Each season, I might send eight to ten cards, and I might receive five to seven cards back — something like that. This represented a reasonable return on my investment, which amounted to little more than a box of cards, a sheet of stamps, and a few hours of putting to use one of my few obvious skills (a gift for lettering acquired during my youthful days as an aspiring cartoonist).

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ChubbyCherub said:

I understand that, in the past and maybe currently with some churches, elders used to counsel young people on marriage, the sanctity of it, readiness, spiritually, financially etc.

Now, that's all left to parents who have no clue, because they weren't provided guidance and they have no way of providing guidance to their children.

The church lost it's place of importance and society has paid for that with an open ticket to marry for 'love' and divorce for any and every reason.

It's a sad state of affairs!

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Yes it is. But don’t lose heart, Christ will straighten it all out in the future. Until then we live in accordance with our GODS will.

Brother Del said:
Better yet, what does it matter what Calvin thinks about good works, and why spend anytime debating it?

Are we really that uninterested in the "weightier matters"?

ARBITER01 said:

Yes,...... a lot of people are more worried about theology than a relationship with Jesus.

Some folks are not able to move on to those "weightier matters" in their walk with Jesus simply because they like to argue. They get caught up in man's teachings and think they need to defend the faith at every juncture.

There is no such thing as a ministry of an apologist in scripture, but you look around youtube and how many so-called Christians live to have debates with folks on there,...... they must think there is.

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It's true that it doesn't matter what Calvin thinks, anymore than what you or I think. But don't make the mistake of thinking that this question is not among the weightier matters. Understanding this is easily within the question of who God is and what we are, which has everything to do with knowing God.

We throw too simplistic a definition to terms like, "good works" —specially in the context of predestination and supposed 'freewill'. Can you not see where this applies to justice, mercy and faithfulness? (Matthew 23:23) Why would any of us suppose that we know God well enough to not pursue Biblical doctrine concerning predestination and God's dealings with the will of corrupted creatures? Doesn't matter???

Jan001 said:

I agree; the great city, the harlot, is Jerusalem.

Revelation 11:8
and their dead bodies will lie in the street of the great city which is allegorically called Sodom and Egypt, where their Lord was crucified.

1 Peter 5:8
Be sober, be watchful. Your adversary the devil prowls around like a roaring lion, seeking some one to devour.

Luke 13:22-24
He went on his way through towns and villages, teaching, and journeying toward Jerusalem. 23 And some one said to him, “Lord, will those who are saved be few?” And he said to them, 24 “Strive to enter by the narrow door; for many, I tell you, will seek to enter and will not be able.

Few people will be approved to inherit eternal life. Many people will not.

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Jeremiah 3:3 KJV A harlots forehead, Revelation 17:5 I am thinking that the worlds churches will be led by the man of sin into Judaizing, basically denying Christ. They already see Israel as GODS only chosen people and some go as far as using things out of the law to increase church revenue, tithes and offerings. With this mindset already in place it would not be difficult for the false prophet to deceive them by calling fire down from heaven to burn the sacrifices at the temple.

WordSword said:

I think we have a difference of opinion with "till all is fulfilled." Everything Jesus did completed the Law, because He was still teaching the law while He was teaching Grace.

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If He completed the law as if to say because He "completed" we do not need to keep it, why would He say this in the very next verse?

Mat5:19 Whoever therefore breaks one of the least of these commandments, and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever does and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven. According to the very next verse least in heaven is not there.

Can you please tell me when this was completed?

Mat 24:34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.
35 Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.
36 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.
But as the days of Noah were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.


Jesus just said He did not come to destroy the law or prophets and heaven and earth shall pass away before a jot or tittle of the law shall pass util ALL is fulfilled. Heaven and earth are still here therefore not a jot or tittle of the law shall pass and therefor whoever breaks the least of these commandments (quoting from the Ten) shall me least in heaven.

God does not want us to sin and break His commandments, this teaching is not coming from God. Isa8:20 1John3:8 Jesus said if you love Me, keep My commandments John14:15 He came to magnify His laws Isa42:21, not destroy. Mat5:17

We were commanded from the beginning to serve Gold and each other. What better place to start than in the home and then go out into the world.

God said since the beginning to serve Him and each other. It isn't complicated. His battle is with adversity and He will prevail. Our calling is to choose a side.

Unqualified said:

It’s commercial pre war. But it is a necked down 7x57 not 8x57

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I know of 7/8 and 9 MM mausers

Christsfreeservant said:

I agree with your first sentence. And, yes, we should not despise prophesy but we are to test everything to make certain it is of God and not of human flesh, which also fits with your first sentence. In the New Testament they tested what was taught or shared as a prophetic word.

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Yes, they followed 1 John 4:1-3 and so should we.