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Landon Caeli · 2025-11-27T18:47:12-0600

Mentioning the risks of trafficking and exploitation seem like different stance than before. Is there increased trafficking and exploitation now than say, a year ago?

SabbathBlessings · 2025-11-27T18:39:51-0600

boughtwithaprice said:
Sabbath blessings, your arguments from scripture would have more weight if I were arguing for the abolishment of the Sabbath. That is not true. I say with the Apostles and New Testament scripture that the Sabbath has been fulfilled in Christ Jesus

Do you have any apostolic teaching where they tell us we must continue to keep the Jewish sabbath? If not, then you are speaking of your own inference on the scriptures.
Should we obey Apostles or the inferences of those that claim to be Apostles?

I have read the book From Sabbath to Sunday that was recommended to me by Bob Ryan.
In it, I find no concrete Apostolic teaching that uses Scripture as you do. There are plenty of negative critiques of Iraneus, Justin Martyr and other first and second century Church fathers, but no Apostle can be recorded claiming Christians must worship on the Sabbath

Do you know of or have any such teaching?

The council of Jerusalem in the book of Acts does not even mention the Sabbath. To you, it is the implied, but the Apostles and early Church Fathers contradict that assessment. Why is that?

I have presented my arguments with Scripture, you have presented your arguments with your own words.

There is no such thing as the Jewish Sabbath. People use this to try to lower what the Sabbath is really about- God's holy day, the holy day of the Lord thy God thus saith the Lord. Isa58:13 made for man, the word Jesus used means mankind in Greek and Adam in Hebrew. mat2:27 that started at Creation thus saith the Lord Exo20:11 when there was not Jew or Israel just man and God.

I do not need to prove the Sabbath is a commandment of God, because God said so and I have provided a plethora of Scripture. You would need to prove where God said we do not need to keep the Sabbath commandment and where He transferred the power that comes with the Sabbath- His sanctification and blessings from the Sabbath, to the first day. God already spoke on this matter, He wrote it Himself, if we can't believe God's own Testimony Exo31:18 and said He would not alter His words Psa89:34 not a jot or tittle Mat5:18-19, what I say will not mean anything.

Take care.

Belk · 2025-11-27T18:36:19-0600

Postvieww said:
Truth is sometimes hard to refute. Cartoons won’t cut it. Have a nice Thanksgiving.

Yelling "Wrong!!!" is not "the truth". You have a good thanksgiving as well.

Tom D · 2025-11-27T18:24:58-0600

Torn between loyalty to his father’s legacy and Ciara’s worsening condition, Fred agreed to meet Ruggero in the town square. He handed over 'Don Quixote', and Ruggero smugly gave him the antidote.

Fred rushed home, saving Ciara, but Enzo could not be healed. His death left Fred devastated, guilty, and tempted by revenge. Yet he remembered his father’s warnings: vengeance would only bring more harm.

Choosing responsibility over anger, Fred moved to Florence to live with his uncle. There, a dream of his father revealed the truth: the real treasures were not books or gold, but Christian wisdom and virtue. Enlightened by this message, Fred changed his lifestyle. He also began studying agriculture and irrigation, then returned home to rebuild his family’s fortune through hard work and perseverance.

Meanwhile, Ruggero unearthed a chest of gold and squandered it on luxury and idleness. Convinced his wealth would last forever, he lived in excess until years of laziness left him destitute. Fred, by contrast, cultivated vineyards and olive groves.

Twenty years later, Ruggero appeared at Fred’s gate, ragged and broken. Fred recognized him and offered no coin, only words: “The treasure was never the gold. It was Christian wisdom and virtues.” (Finito)

jacorian · 2025-11-27T18:24:53-0600

joymercy said:
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The president has just reported that the young lady has passed. This is so sad & I place much of the blame on our weak democratic party who just everyone to move here so that they can give away freebies in return for a vote. The blood is on their hands because they are not following federal. All nations must protect their borders.

Hans Blaster · 2025-11-27T18:16:43-0600

Always in His Presence said:
Airline catering workers block traffic and cause disruptions at protest near LAX

Airline catering workers blocked traffic and caused disruptions near Los Angeles International Airport in Los Angeles on Tuesday. They protested what they alleged were unsafe working conditions and a “mistreatment” of workers by the company Flying Food Group.

Workers lined the streets of LAX to bring attention to their claims. They blocked traffic and caused chaos on one of the busiest traveling days of the year. Some air travelers were caught in the protest and expressed frustration at the demonstrators, fearing they would miss their flights.

this is a labor action, not politics.

timewerx · 2025-11-27T18:14:05-0600

BNR32FAN said:
The largest portion of the government’s revenue is going to be coming from companies who are only paying a small portion of their profits in taxes which is somehow supposed to be enough to redistribute back to consumers

Move to Europe or Canada and maybe even Japan (if you don't fear North Korea, Russia, China, and random Kaijus).. The only FEW places on Earth UBI might work. However, this reprieve is only temporary.

It's not going to work in USA when the system is strongly favoring the rich over the poor unlike in Europe.

And realistically-speaking, UBI will not work globally - it will destabilize global economy and may even end up in WWIII. Either way, UBI or not, we may just head towards WWIII when global anarchy breaks loose when more people lose jobs and mounting tensions.

The main reason nothing will work is simply because the global production and resources won't be able to tend to all the needs of all 8 billion people in the planet. It works for now because the poor is absorbing the majority of the burden of balancing resource consumption. But if more people gets poor, tensions will be inevitable.

We'll have a class war on our hands, rich vs poor and it can easily become nuclear.

A nuclear Armageddon is inevitable. Or we invent the warp drive and starts colonizing habitable planets in other star systems before that happens.

Bottom line is there's just way too many people on Earth. UBI or even banning AI isn't the solution if we keep growing in numbers uncontrollably like cancer. Ironically, Christians are partly to blame in this problem for failing to see the context of God's command: "multiply in numbers" which doesn't literally always mean reproduction as Jesus reiterated later. I'm not saying reproduction is bad, use sound wisdom. We still need to bear 2 kids per couple to maintain population numbers.

Carmenls · 2025-11-27T18:06:09-0600

Please pray for my son Jakeb again. He still isn't feeling well. Please ask God to heal him and help him be happy and if it is His will let me hear him talk to his friends or laugh tonight. Please pray that there is nothing seriously wrong. I ask for healing mind and body. I ask in the name of Jesus. Thank you and God bless you. Carmen.

Michie · 2025-11-27T17:59:54-0600

Happy Thanksgiving! God bless you! :wave:

Landon Caeli · 2025-11-27T17:59:17-0600

JosephZ said:
Yes, he entered the US under the Biden administration's Allies Welcome Program in 2021, but he didn't apply for asylum, which is a totally separate and unrelated process, until 2024. His vetting and asylum approval in April of this year occurred during the Trump administration.

That's why every single person who entered under Biden's Allies Welcome Program in 2021, must be re-vetted under the current administration's standards. Since obviously credibility can no longer be assumed accurate under the previous administration's standards.

GodAndChocolateVanilla · 2025-11-27T17:53:10-0600

I’m having a good Thanksgiving with my Husband and my Family. ^w^

Thank You God!!

GodAndChocolateVanilla · 2025-11-27T17:50:35-0600

Happy Thanksgiving!! ^w^

Dreyma · 2025-11-27T17:43:53-0600

Andrewn said:
A hellish experience of some sort likely exists. The important question is whether it is endless / everlasting as commonly taught.

It is unlikely that a just God would punish limited people with unlimited torture.

I hope you're right. That does seem more just to me.

Guojing · 2025-11-27T17:41:36-0600

sovereigngrace said:
Unlike you, they all believed in the finished work of Christ. They had no faith in redundant sacrifice system or superseded feasts. The thinking behind his actions is shown in 1 Corinthians 9:20-21 for all to see. None could doubt his overriding desire to see his fellow-religionists saved. He testified: “And unto the Jews I became as a Jew, that I might gain the Jews; to them that are under the law, as under the law, that I might gain them that are under the law; To them that are without law, as without law, (being not without law to God, but under the law to Christ,) that I might gain them that are without law.”

I don’t see any deeper a meaning than this. Paul writings make it clear that the old covenant arrangement has been superseded by Christ and the new covenant. There was a religious / political aspect to the sacrifices that all Israelis were bound to as Jews in order to maintain their Jewish privileges. I believe Paul yielded to the political requirements – in honoring the God-ordained authorities – but he made no spiritual submission to these abolished rites. I don't believe he recognized the expiatory significance of the sacrifices, as he finally released himself from the religious Judaic baggage he was bound with. He would not have recognized the intercession of the high priest with God for the people because he had a real, perfect and eternal great High Priest (Hebrews 5:6, 9, Hebrews 4:14).

The early Christian Church was under extreme persecution after the earthly ministry of Jesus Christ. Most Jews never embraced Christ but remained committed to their orthodox Jewish religion will all its elaborate rites and laws. The Jews that had accepted the Messiah were still cultural Jews. Their social and religious life revolved around the temple.

As has been said above, James exhorted Paul to show the Jews his Jewishness. After all, culturally and politically, the early Church in Jerusalem were still Jews. They were bound by many customs that would later be abolished.

It’s easier to just accept that the resurrected Christ never told any of the 12 that the law is now optional (Matthew 28:20)

But if you prefer this convoluted thinking to reconcile what you believe, with what went down in acts, be my guest

AV1611VET · 2025-11-27T17:13:59-0600

rambot said:
Did your post MEAN anything to what I wrote? Were you trying to address it? I'm not sure if you're trying to obfuscate your point so I'll just play along.

Sorry.

I was thinking of Kent Hovind's video as to where God came from.

Nevermind.

FreeinChrist · 2025-11-27T17:05:26-0600

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Fervent · 2025-11-27T17:02:32-0600

ChubbyCherub said:
Thank you, this makes sense.

You're welcome, and I would appreciate if you continue to pray for/with me.

ChubbyCherub said:
My dad has never read the bible and goes off his understanding of what he's been told and his relationship with Jesus, as he puts it.

A lot of the most respectable saints were illiterate, in fact it's very likely that Peter was illiterate and he very likely had strong influence over several books of the NT in Mark, and 1 and 2 Peter.

ChubbyCherub said:
I guess I always thought there was a danger in relying on others to read the bible to you, interpret it for you etc but he doesn't read above a third grade level (if that) so he tries his best.

There can be a danger in that, but there's also a danger in someone without sufficient background reading things into the Bible that are contrary to what the original authors intended. God gives us teachers, and not everyone needs to be self-taught. It's good to verify if you have the time and academic acumen, but we all put faith in the leaders God puts in our paths in some way.

ChubbyCherub said:
People seem to read the same passages and still come to different conclusions. It's a minefield, really!

Yeah, though there's usually more harmony than is often realized since most of the debates are over how to speak of mysteries rather than substantive differences that alter how we live as Christians. That is, of course, not counting people who twist verses to suit their agenda/theological position without concern for what is in the text. With sufficient negotiation, i've found that there are ways to foster agreements across many theological lines.

ChubbyCherub said:
I'm prone to research, overthinking, examination, analysis, questions, thinking, shifting in thinking, reassessing, reconfirming etc. So, I see both views. I appreciate your help here!

I am a thought-tinkerer as well, which gets me into trouble from time to time. As a suggestion, to facilitate your research on Biblical topics there are a couple of books i'd recommend. First and foremost is Exegetical Fallacies by D.A. Carson. If you want more suggestions, let me know. That one should be a good starting point for thinking about Biblical interpretation and the various traps that we can fall into when we read and interpret the Bible.

CoreyD · 2025-11-27T16:36:08-0600

Bobthebomb said:
Looks like I am lost.
I have been searching for a while subconsciously, which is how I found my way here.
Tonight was too much, I asked God and Jesus into my life.

Nothing. I feel more alone than ever.

If you are lost, then brighten up, because you only have one thing to worry about.

Why brighten up?
A lost sheep is never abandoned by the shepherd.

How do we know that no lost sheep is ever abandoned?
Luke 15:3-5
3 And so He told them this parable, saying, 4 “What man among you, if he has a hundred sheep and has lost one of them, does not leave the other ninety-nine in the [a]open pasture and go after the one that is lost, until he finds it? 5 And when he has found it, he puts it on his shoulders, rejoicing.
Please read Ezekiel 34:6-16, and capture that beautiful word picture.

So, if you are a lost sheep, and you want to be found, don't bleat too loudly. Wolves have acute hearing.

Just do what sheep do... beside bleat loudly for their shepherd.
Yes, praying is important, but also, remember this...
John 10:27

My sheep listen to My voice; I know them, and they follow Me.

Please read Jesus' beautiful illustration at John 10:2-30.

If you are one of Jesus sheep, you know his voice, so all you need to do, is listen out for it, and when you hear it, follow the sound.
When he calls, and you listen, and follow, then he will put you on his shoulders and carry you. Then lead you into the sheep pen.

So, three things to remember...

Don't be downhearted or panic.
Remember the shepherd is searching for you.
Pray silently, and listen for the call of the shepherd.

How does Jesus call though? "Sheep... Sheep... Where are you?"?

In the same way God searched for the lost sheep of Israel. Please read Matthew 10:5, 6
Compare Matthew 28:19, 20 and Romans 10:13-15

Hank77 · 2025-11-27T16:32:29-0600

Aryeh Jay said:
Just because a illegitimate court appointed by socialists with an anti American bias refuses to hear the case dosen't make it frivolous.

You might want to do a little homework before making statements like this one.

HIM · 2025-11-27T16:26:10-0600

CLEEB said:
Everyone before Moses knew nothing about the Ten Commandments.

That is not true.
Romans 1:19 Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.
Romans 1:20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse

Romans 2:13 (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.
Romans 2:14 For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves:
Romans 2:15 Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another.
Romans 2:16 In the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ according to my gospel.

Akita Suggagaki · 2025-11-27T16:25:52-0600

Say it aint so said:
The Trump admin doesn't even bother to hide their blatant intent of a coverup.

You expect consistency?

Akita Suggagaki · 2025-11-27T16:21:29-0600

tonychanyt said:
if we read the passage literally,

Why presume this is necessary?

Daniel9v9 · 2025-11-27T15:57:14-0600

Hey, 1 & 2 Peter with Kretzmann's commentary with added ESV tooltips, notes, and cross-references has been added to Luco!

1 Peter – Luco

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2 Peter – Luco

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Blessings!

BCP1928 · 2025-11-27T15:49:11-0600

It's not our fault that Pellew is too lazy to go out and get another job. If he can't get one that overpays him like the last, maybe he should get a second job as well. Happy Thanksgiving, Pellew. Get off your lazy butt and take another job--you're making MAGA look bad.

BCP1928 · 2025-11-27T15:45:45-0600

rjs330 said:
No its not. Gender is sex. You can substitute sex for ANYTHING gender related and it would mean the same thing.

Even in your examples.
Emotional state of what?
Cognitive state of what?
Societal expectations of what?

Do you really believe that your emotional reactions, your ways of thinking about things that happen to you are identical to a man's? Do you really believe that your emotional reactions, your way of thinking about things that happen to you are not subject to gendered categorization by society?

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