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U.S. Bishops’ full statement on immigration and opposing mass deportation released

Irish Star on Republican attacks on the bishops' message. (via MSN)

Mainly so I can quote this bit from Pentagon journalist Laura Loomer, who seems to be simultaneously supporting and opposing antisemitism on the right, with a dash of nostalgia for the anti-Catholic Klan.

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Why Is It So Hard for Christians to Talk About Justice and Greed?

Can you give examples of exactly what aspects of justice you’re referring to because I’m not aware of Christians avoiding the topic in general.
Sure. One example has to do with the poor. Many label calls to help those who are poor, or born at an economic disadvantage, as "social justice". And many 'Christians' avoid discussions along those lines specifically, as one example.
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"Don't Give up the Ship"

...because blowing up boats with very expensive ordance makes for a good TV show......yet they still have not realeased the full, unedited video to the public.

I would have have loved to be a fly on the wall when the Naval commander of the USS Ford received orders to leave the Mediterranean sea and head to......Venezuela. I'm sure there were a few choice words used.....
I've seen a rough cost estimate of about $1,000,000 per "narco-terrorist" killed, counting most costs involved in the total operation.
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I feel the church too hermetic..

I pray you will find a parish that knows outreach. Orthodoxy is often not well organized for outreach which is unfortunate. I am in America and my understanding of Orthodoxy in Europe is obviously uninformed. In America, Orthodoxy is really variable in outreach and evangelism and some parishes thrive. I wish you were near our parish in the US; you would be faithfully welcomed & received efficiently.
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Leo XIV Shuts Down Vatican Donations Commission 10 Months After Its Creation by Pope Francis

The commission was created earlier this year by Pope Francis.​


Pope Leo XIV has suppressed a Vatican donations commission less than 10 months after it was established by his predecessor Pope Francis.

The Vatican released Dec. 4 a chirograph, signed Sept. 29 by Pope Leo XIV, suppressing the Commissio de donationibus pro Sancta Sede, or Commission of Donations for the Holy See, which sought to raise much-needed funds for the Vatican.

Pope Francis had signed a document establishing the commission Feb. 11, three days before he was admitted to Rome’s Gemelli Hospital and 69 days before his death at the age of 88.

The new chirograph suppressing the commission said that the move came as a recommendation of the Vatican’s Council for the Economy, which “devoted particular attention to studying this issue, reexamining it and consulting with experts in the field.”

The chirograph also announced the creation of a working group “to formulate proposals regarding the general issue of fundraising for the Holy See, along with the definition of an appropriate structure.”

Members of the working group will be proposed to Leo XIV by the Vatican’s Council for the Economy, via the Secretariat of State.

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I am beginning to have some hope again in pope Leo now that he is moving to undo some things pope Francis did. If he finally gets around to undo Fiducia supplicans and the like I might even be able to contemplate a donation to Peter's Pence. For now I wait.

While I don't particularly like how he partially undid Traditiones custodes by saying he would grant the exception of any bishop who asks, he did at least make some progress. I have a glimmer of hope there may be more progress if and when he comes into his own, hopefully as a faithful Catholic.
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Consumer Prices Will Go Down From Day One? Will Gas Prices Go Down 50% Within A Year?

Let's watch each month and make the 2026 election a referendum on the keeping of those promises.
1) Does inflation go down each month compared to a year ago?
2) Do food prices go down, actually go down as promised?
3) Does the price of eggs go down?
4) Do gas prices go down?
I don’t expect them to go down but if they don’t go up I would say that’s an improvement.
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Furious Democrats Call for Schumer to Be Replaced After Shutdown Cave

Here are the Democrats calling for Schumer to be replaced as leader​


Democrats have been pushing back on Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer (D-N.Y.) after eight party members voted in favor of a stopgap measure to reopen the government.

The 60-40 vote approving a continuing resolution to fund much of the government until Jan. 30 leaves health care subsidies in limbo, cementing disdain for Schumer, who previously said extending ObamaCare subsidies was a “life or death” provision for Democrats.

In early October, the Senate minority leader said there was “no (obscenity deleted) way” party members would cave on health care demands to reopen the government.
Well, they get to do it all over again in January.
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Do the Ten Commandments apply to Christians today?

The helpful website, gotquestions.org, has over 10,000 answers to frequently asked Bible questions, such as this one: "Do Christians have to obey the Old Testament law?"

After briefly explaining some of the laws that were given to God's people, (Ten Commandments, civil, ceremonial) their website states, "None of the Old Testament law is binding on Christians today."

Do you see any problem with their answer?

While it is true that God does not expect believers today to follow the Old Testament laws regarding the sacrificial system, food and clothing rules, etc., it is unwise in my view to claim that the Ten Commandments are not "binding on Christians today."

After all, examine the New Testament instructions given to Christians in the words of Jesus, and the writings of Paul, Peter and James. While Scripture makes it clear that Christians "are not under law, but under grace," (Romans 6:14) followers of Christ are presented with many rules for holy living in the New Testament. And these godly instructions line up beautifully with the Ten Commandments.

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And anyone can red HEBREWS 8:13 says that the LAW has WAXETH. OLD // GOROSKO is in the PRESENT TENSE

in the ACTIVE VOICE , in. the NOMINATIVE CASE in. the SINGULAR. in. the NOMINATIVE CASE , in. the NEUTER


READY // ONGYS. is and ADVERB

TO VANISH AWAY //. APHANISMOS. in. the GENITIVE CASE. in. the SINGULAR

And check. Acts 25:28 and isa 1:12. !!

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I hold a view similar to the Open View of God.

It was not a lie. It was a threat. And, indeed, if they had not repented, he would have destroyed them. (By the way, if he had not intended that they repent, why would he go to all that trouble to send Jonah in the precise way that he did?

That's a side issue. I'm not saying he's happy that most will perish.

No. I'm saying that it is a logically self-contradictory notion. (Nobody but God is entirely free). So why would he even consider it? It's not that he can't. It's that it is a non-thing.

The story of Nineveh and Jonah is not about salvation, by the way, so it is not the same sort of repentance. I can go to the fridge to get cream cheese for my bagel, go to the living room where my bagel is, and when I open the cream cheese, it has gray hair growing in it. I repent of my course of action. I go back to the kitchen for something else. The people of Nineveh were wicked, God demanded they change their ways or else. This is not repentance concerning their sinfulness. It is simple repentance of what they were doing. Would you claim they loved God after that repentance? It was still corrupt. But, at least, and for a time, they stopped what they were doing.

Define free choice. Uncaused choice? That makes no sense. Only God chooses, uncaused to do so. If you like, we can into the details of that. Can you show me how anything happens uncaused to do so? Only God is uncaused.

Does the capability of rejecting God's commands, and even God's offer of forgiveness and salvation, imply free will? Demonstrate to me that there is anything we do entirely spontaneously. For starters: Is there anything we do that we don't most want to do at that instant of decision?

Here and above, you consider "God's will" as only one thing. The implication is that God fully intended that we all be holy as he is holy; yet, somehow, only Christ Jesus has been able to do that.
Yes, that is true, if you replace "intended" with "desired".
The law —all of it God's will—was given to demonstrate our sin and our need for him
Not to tell us what He wants us to do?
, because we are unable to obey it perfectly, and so we deserve death.
But His law included the steps to take when the laws were disobeyed. How do you obey those parts if you never disobey the other parts? God's law helped people to avoid death.
We need his mercy. Even you don't believe that is all that his will is. He also wills for things to happen quite apart from his law.
Opposite His law? In other words, does God both will that all oeople keep His law and at the same time will that all people break His law? What lawmaker would do that? Maybe you should divide between God's intended will and God's contingent will, like Nineveh.
And those things are a little harder to know. So there are at least two things that are called/considered the will of God. The one thing is not the same as the other. If you think God never intended for Lucifer to rebel and Adam to sin, then why did he bother to make us?
I dont understand the question. Are you saying that we are undesired by God unless Lucifer rebelled and Adam sinned?
He made us to be the Bride of Christ, the Body of Christ, the Children of God, the Dwelling Place of God, his People with Him in a way the angels can never be. And THAT would not happen, but for Redemption.
Or perfect obedience in the first place. That makes the current scheme contingent.
So everyone has acted against his command (his revealed will), but none of us can ruin his plans (his hidden will).
Are our sins part of His hidden will? Every sin ever committed? If He couldn't make a sinless population from the start, He desires us to sin instead?
He doesn't fly by the seat of his pants to accomplish some general end.
Huh? Is someone suggesting that?
Read the prophets where repeatedly God used foreign kings to punish Israel —even refers to one of them as a tool— and then punishes them for doing so. They were not obeying.
Can't they both obey the command to punish Israel and also disobey commands for the treatment of the people? I don't see why it has to be a dichotomy.
They were only accomplishing what God had planned for them to do.
Plus some extra God didn't want them to do
Do you think that Satan will not have to pay for what he did to Job?
I don't know how God accounts for Satan's individual acts, but he didn't have to argue with God, did he? Are you saying that God wants Satan to kill, steal, and destroy? Why then is God any more moral than Satan?
Yet God put him up to it, fully intending that that beautiful book would be read by his people.
Was that the whole purpose of the episode? Or was God actually working to bring about a better understanding for Job, his wife, his friends?
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Lindsey Halligan, and the dog that ate the transcript.

Judges lash out at Justice Department for still listing Lindsey Halligan on court documents

One of those judges, Magistrate William Fitzpatrick, said at a criminal case hearing Tuesday that filing criminal charging papers “under Ms. Halligan’s name” at this time “is simply not acceptable,” according to a transcript obtained by CNN.

Both Fitzpatrick and another judge in the district, Michael Nachmanoff, told prosecutors this week they believed the ruling was clear that Halligan wasn’t the US attorney for all cases. They both noted, in separate hearings this week, according to court transcripts, that the Justice Department hadn’t appealed the ruling about Halligan, nor asked any court to pause it for a possible appeal.

The Justice Department’s reasoning for keeping Halligan’s name on criminal filings has been thin, from the perspective of prosecutors appearing in court.

“The Office of Legal Counsel told us to put the name as is as it has been presented on these indictments. That’s what we are going on at this point,” Roberts said in court on Tuesday, according to court records obtained by CNN.

Can the United States Government defraud itself?
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The rise of menace as a mainstream political tool

The rise in political menace is even affecting our 51st state.
Oh, the thread is open to other countries?

Germany: Dozens injured at Berlin pro-Palestinian protest


Some 1,200 Israelis — around 800 civilians — were killed and another 250 abducted in the attack on Israel by the Palestinian militant group Hamas on October 7, 2023. Israel's military response has seen over 53,000 Palestinians — mainly women and children — killed, according to health authorities in Hamas-led Gaza Strip, whose casualty counts do not differentiate between militants and civilians but are regarded as reliable by international organizations, and much of the territory laid to waste.​
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The Final Experiment (Flat Earth Bites The Dust)

Sportswear boss offers his £3billion firm to anyone who can prove Earth is flat

In a video posted on Columbia Sportswear’s YouTube channel on Tuesday (December 2), the boss, dressed in a casual navy quarter-zip and red and white checked shirt, challenged conspiracy theorists to prove him wrong.

Mr Boyle said: ‘This message is for flat Earthers. You guys claim there’s an end to the Earth?

‘Well just go snap a picture. Send it to us – and you get the assets to the company. All of it.

‘No paperwork, no lawyers, no catches.’

He is then interrupted by a man who appears to be a part of Columbia’s legal team, dressed in a black suit and blue patterned tie, who said: ‘Um, Tim, there is some paperwork.’

Is the Earth flat?​

The first flat Earthers can be traced back to ancient Mesopotamia who thought the earth was disc-shaped and under a dome.

But by about 300 BCE, educated scholars overwhelmingly accepted that the Earth is a sphere
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Charlie Kirk Didn’t Shy Away From Who He Was. We Shouldn’t, Either

It's odd. The far left generally loves Jews in America, and hates them in Israel. The far right generally hates Jews in America, and loves them in Israel. Only a generalization; there are exceptions.

Thankfully I am a far center centrist. I can hate Jews in America and Israel.
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Donald Trump Says US To Launch Land Action in Venezuela ‘Very Soon’

"Maduro is definitely a poor leader who also stole the election."

No, those are not good reasons for invading another country.

If those are good reasons by Republican standards, then someone should have invaded the US when Biden won.
To me those are better reasons than "stopping" drugs. But yes, it would be an act of goodwill, that is in America's interest. I don't think it will be an all out war, likely far less than the Falklands. Capture Maduro, if he won't leave peacefully and the war part is over? The nation building is another matter. I think we will soon see. I do think Trump should get Congressional approval though. Let him lay the case out and have a vote.
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WHEN WAS THE LAW TAKEN AWAY. AND GRACE BEGAN. ??

# 1 IN ////. EN. is a PREPOSTION

# 2. THAT HE SAITH //// LEGO. is. in. the PRESENT TENSE in. the ACTIVE VOICE

# 3 A. NEW. //// KAINOS. in. the ACCUSATIVE CASE in. the SINGULAR

# 4. COVENANT /// KAVEN

# 5. HE HATH MADE ///. PALAIOO. in. the PERFECT TENSE in. the INDICATIVE MOOD , and this MOOD , means you BETTER BELIEVE IT

# 6 THE /// HO is a DEFINITE ARTICLE in. the ACCUSATIVE CASE , in. the SINGULAR

# 7. FIRST ///. PROTOS. , in the ACCUSATIVE CASE , in the SINGULAR

# 8 OLD /// PALAOO , in. th PERFECT TENSE , in. the ACTIVE VOICE , in. the SINGULAR

# 9 NOW ///. DE. , is a CONJUNCATION

# 10 THAT WHICH DECAYETH. ,///. in the PRESENY TENSE , in the PASSIVE TENSE . in. the NOMINATIVE CASE. in. the SINGULAR in. the NUTER

# 11 AND ,/// KAI is a CONJUNCATION

# 12 WAXETH. OLD. , /// GORASHO. in. the PRESENT TENSE in. the ACTIVE VOICE means CHRIST is causing. it to be OLD is a PARTICIPL

in the NOMINATIVE CASE in. the SINGULAR and in. the NEUTER , meaning neither MALE or FEMALE

# 13. READY. , ///. ONGYS. is an ADVERB

# 14 TO VANISH AWAY , ///. APHANISMOS. in. the GENITIVE CASE in. the SINGULAR

#A. THIS MEAND THE OLD LAW OF MOSES has been sat aside FOREVER. !!

# B. And Rom 6:14 FOR YOU ARD NOT. //. OV s a DISJUNCATIVE PARTICLE NEGATIVE and means you will NEVERRRRR. be under

the LAW but UNDER GRACE. ,

# C This means that SALVATION is by ROM 10:9 and 10

# And John 3:3 and verse 5. will not save anyone and John is speaking to Israel ONLY. !!

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UnitedHealthcare CEO fatally shot in midtown Manhattan, law enforcement official says

Speaking of Miranda rights

Video shows Luigi Mangione says he didn't want to talk. Police kept asking questions

Although Mangione signaled he wasn't interested in speaking, police continued asking questions, and he continued answering, video showed. Nearly 20 minutes passed before police informed him of his right to remain silent.
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Florida officials deny accusations of inhumane conditions at Alligator Alcatraz

Amnesty International finds immigrants at Florida facility were shackled and left outside in metal cage for up to a day

Detainees at the notorious Florida immigration jail known as “Alligator Alcatraz” were shackled inside a 2ft high metal cage and left outside without water for up to a day at a time, a shocking report published on Thursday by Amnesty International alleges.

The human rights group said migrants held at the state-run Everglades facility, and at Miami’s Krome immigration processing center operated by a private company on behalf of the Trump administration, continue to be exposed to “cruel, inhuman and degrading treatment” rising in some cases to torture.

The cage, known to detainees as “the box”, is used by guards for the arbitrary punishment of trivial or non-existent offenses, according to the report compiled from interviews with detainees and advocacy groups, and a site visit to Krome made by Amnesty workers in September.

[Commander Saito approves.]

It was ordered to close by a federal judge in August after a wave of criticism and a lawsuit by environmental groups. However, by October, the facility was operating again with hundreds of detainees after two Trump-appointed appellate court judges, one whose husband has close ties to DeSantis, blocked the closure ruling.

Amnesty International’s report details allegations at “Alligator Alcatraz” of “unsanitary conditions, including overflowing toilets with fecal matter seeping into where people are sleeping, limited access to showers, exposure to insects without protective measures, lights on 24 hours a day, poor quality food and water, and lack of privacy”.

“It operates outside federal oversight, without the basic tracking systems used in ICE facilities,” the report said

Molly Best, press secretary to Florida’s Republican governor, Ron DeSantis, told the Guardian the Amnesty report was “nothing more than a politically motivated attack”.
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what is Calvinism answer to how God works?

My comments about prideful egos was encompassing all of fallen mankind, which included me too. Synergistic theologies holds a lofty view of man. I am curious about something if you would indulge me. Can you give me your take on the Fall and Sin and how it affects the human race. Thanks in advance.​
No, synergistic theologies don't hold a "lofty view of man", they simply don't denigrate man and deny that we are made in God's image. An image that was marred in the fall, but not destroyed.


I beg to differ. The question Fervent, is Salvation God's Plan to save His people from their sins. Meaning it is a Covenant; a Covenant of Redemption by the self-contained, indivisible, Triniantarian God-Head who fulfills everything to save His people from their sins or is Salvation only made possible for us to make a decision to save ourselves? The latter faces some very difficult questions to address. When I was still an Arminian I ask those very difficult questions to people in the same camp, they could not answer them, they tried but failed.​
The options are not Arminianism or Calvinism, that false dichotomy is bound to lead to error. There is no saving ourselves, as the "decision" is an act of surrender to God's pursuit, not a seeking of God. Monergists seem to have a place for everything in their theology except themselves, the sin belongs to Adam and the faith belongs to God. No place for the monergist, none at all.

Salvation is not us climbing up to God; like the attempt in Babel.​
No one said it was.

But God who descended down to us!​
Hallelujah and amen. But again, that's not relevant to the question at hand.

To save sinners from their sins! Because even our Faith & Repentance are God's gifts. But to contemplate this you must acknowledge what actually happened to us in the Fall. Your position as was mine before I understood. Is that Fallen Man's disposition before a Holy God is hostility, we're God haters, loving the darkness instead of the light. It is God who calls us out of the darkness into His marvelous light. Something Fervent must change fallen man's disposition toward God as sworn enemies to God's children. This Fervent is a Divine act of God himself. Not something we do, understand?​
Salvation is certainly a gift, but gifts must be received. According to you, God not only gives the gift but also receives it, so what part do you have in your salvation?
On the nature of will:
“In this way, then, man is said to have free will, not because he has a free choice of good and evil, but because he acts voluntarily, and not by compulsion... his will being bound by the fetters of sin”. John Calvin

Like an addict who willingly consumes their vices without coercion, but is bound by their evil desires; to will or do what they love to do. Arminius himself understood this and held a doctrine of Total Depravity.

yeah, and the options are not Arminianism or Calvinism. There are more worlds than these, ladodgers6
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Biblical Exegesis explanation and discussion

Certainly. All of the Arctic is cold in winter, but not only the Arctic is cold in winter. All of Holy Scripture is profitable, etc., that does not mean only Holy Scripture is profitable, etc.
How does that connect with the verse in Timothy?

2 Tim 3:16 All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for ]instruction in righteousness, 17 that the man of God may be complete, thoroughly equipped for every good work.

Only Holy Scripture - is profitable for doctrine etc.
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