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Hans Blaster · 2025-11-12T13:13:07-0600

essentialsaltes said:
per Justin Baragona

CBS News' Weijia Jiang: "Did the president ever spend hours at Jeffrey Epstein’s house with a victim?"

Karoline Leavitt: "These emails prove [absolutely] nothing other than the fact that President Trump did nothing wrong."

They should ask her these questions at night on the street. She could save the city on streetlighting given how bright her gaslighting is.

Hank77 · 2025-11-12T13:04:53-0600

essentialsaltes said:
“Donald Trump is a stupid man’s idea of a smart person, a poor man’s idea of a rich man, and a weak man’s idea of a strong man.”

In other words, he's a fraud, but half the population can't see it.

RileyG · 2025-11-12T13:03:02-0600

Interesting, she was raised Catholic and later converted to Judaism to marry her (ex?) husband,…hmmmm

Strong in Him · 2025-11-12T13:00:21-0600

Apple Sky said:
back to you ..........

As it is not me who writes endless posts on the same subject, refuses to listen to any explanations and whose ultimate, desperate, response is either "fake", "lies" or "prove it", you have no reason to :doh:

me.

If you don't like it that people argue with your beliefs; stop posting them - and starting new threads on the same subject when the others get closed/you get bored with them.

com7fy8 · 2025-11-12T12:44:10-0600

bob121 said:
Paul says some of you are sick and dying because you gulp the Supper unworthily (1 Cor 11). Share the moment the bread and wine stopped being routine and started feeling dangerous.

What happened, and how did it change the way you prepare?

Ok, in some church cultures people are told to make sure we have confessed all our sins before taking "Holy Communion" or having "the Lord's Supper". The main attention of preparation can be making sure we ourselves are all set and not in trouble with Jesus. In 1 Corinthians 11:17-34, our Apostle Paul gives things about how the Corinthian church had abused the Lord's Supper, and what they needed to do, instead >

1 Corinthians 11:17-19 > our Apostle Paul says they had divisions. And so, they were not doing the Lord's Supper right, if they were divided. Even so, ones could see who was **not** involved in the divisions . . . and realize those were the "approved" leaders.

1 Corinthians 11:20-21 > people would bring their own food and drink and take it - - right while a poor Christian was sitting there with nothing to eat and drink. So . . . the problem here was not if the well-to-do person had confessed one's sins, but the person was being inconsiderate of the poor Christian . . . the problem then being how they were relating personally with one another. They were being anti-love, then, not relating in love the way Jesus has loved us. And so, they were not having their supper/communion in true remembrance of Jesus because they were not loving the way Jesus has loved us.

His way of loving as His family is much of what is the remembrance of Jesus, is it not? So, instead, by focusing on only our own sins and focusing away from one another and loving, this can be a major problem of communion in case it has become an outward idol ceremony with copy-catting and with no real relating.

In 1 Corinthians 11:22 > "What! Do you not have houses to eat and drink in? Or do you despise the church of God and shame those who have nothing?" So, yes they were abusing those who had "nothing". Yes, Jesus had a lamb dinner with His disciples at the "Last Supper". It was communion, indeed, but with the Passover dinner which includes lamb, to my knowledge. So, there is nothing wrong with communion being a full dinner, but it needs to be full of the remembrance of Jesus, by being full of His love with His family way of caring and sharing with one another . . . not with each of us trying to make our minds concentrate on some imagination of Jesus on the cross while we even ignore each other!!

So, then, yes > when ones have a pot luck . . . and all are welcome, whether they have time or money to prepare food . . . this could be more like the Last Supper, with everyone loving and delighting in sharing as family with one another.

However, ones were despising and shaming the poor Christians. And what we do to the least of Jesus Christ's brethren, we do to Jesus Himself.

"Assuredly, I say to you, inasmuch as you did it to one of the least of these My brethren, you did it to Me." (in Matthew 25:40)

So, those people indeed were in a lot of trouble . . . much worse than just dying and getting sick and being weak.

1 Corinthians 11:23-25 > so, yes, Jesus says to share the bread and cup "in remembrance of" Jesus.

"For as often as you eat this bread and drink this cup, you proclaim the Lord's death till He comes." (1 Corinthians 11:26)

And what shows Jesus Christ's death? How He was loving while on the cross > this is much of all that is involved in Jesus dying for us, on the cross. And we are commanded >

"And walk in love, as Christ also has loved us and given Himself for us, an offering and a sacrifice to God for a sweet-smelling aroma." (Ephesians 5:2)

So, His death which we are to show has much to do with how Jesus was so loving, right while so suffering and dying for us, and how He was "a sweet-smelling aroma" to God . . . so sweetly pleasing our Father. And this is how we are to be: sweet and pleasant to our Father during whatever is going on.

So, their way of doing the so-called communion was anti-Christ, I would say. They were not personally relating and sharing as family, like Jesus did during the Last Supper.

1 Corinthians 11:27-28 > Paul says not to eat and drink "in an unworthy manner". I see, from the context of earlier scriptures, how the main issue was the divisions and how horribly they could be relating with ones less well-to-do. Therefore, my opinion is the unworthy manner was not only failure to confess some list of sins or some failure to devote oneself to the bread and drink. But they needed to be attentive to one another . . . not isolating themselves in trying to get grace only for their own selves, or brownie points for paying attention to the "symbolic meaning" of perhaps some cracker and grape juice.

1 Corinthians 11:29 > Paul says they were not "discerning the Lord's body". Now, ones take this to mean the bread is the body of Jesus. But, then, why does Paul not say not discerning the body "and blood" of Jesus . . . if the drink is really Christ's blood?? What I see, from what Paul says earlier, is he means they were not discerning how those poor Christians are the body of Christ. Jesus is so more concerned with if and how we honor and regard the children of God who are the body of Jesus >

"For we are members of His body, of His flesh and of His bones." (Ephesians 5:30)

1 Corinthians 11:30 > here we have the verse that you are talking about . . . how many were sick and weak and dying. They had been relating badly with needy Christians. And "Therefore" many of them were sick and weak and dying. And so, Paul then concludes with what they need to do >

1 Corinthians 11:31-32 > judge themselves, be chastened by the Lord. Hebrews 12:4-14 talks about how we need to actively seek our Heavenly Father for His real correction which changes our ***character*** so we are sharing with Him in His own holiness in His love's "peaceable fruit of righteousness".

1 Corinthians 11:33 > and Paul says "Therefore" > "wait for one another" < this means how they are relating with each other.

But because they were relating in such an impersonal and even anti-love way, ones were dying and weak and sick. When we live in what is not love, this can affect us emotionally and even physically . . . even if God does not somehow punish us. And if we do relate in God's love with one another during the Lord's Supper, this love is full of God's own grace to grow and mature us to be and to love like Jesus. So, yes there is grace in the true Lord's Supper, grace being the effect of God's own love being ministered by "each" of us to one another >

"As each one has received the gift, minister it to one another, as good stewards of the manifold grace of God." (1 Peter 4:10)

But it seems to me, how ones can isolate themselves in how they do the Lord's Supper. Ones do not function as ongoing and life-giving and love-ministering children of God. And so they hide with a little bit of bread and drink. But instead we can always stay prayerful, submissive to God so we are constantly spreading His own grace.

Vambram · 2025-11-12T12:36:56-0600

Christians in Africa: Growth, Persecution, and America’s Role in Their Protection

Christianity is expanding on the African continent and wields great influence, but persecution and religious oppression remain critical issues. Senator Ted Cruz’s recent legislation shines a light on the plight of persecuted Christians, including terrorism, discrimination, displacement, and...

www.heritage.org

Hans Blaster · 2025-11-12T12:31:14-0600

Pommer said:
Suddenly, social-Darwinism is cool.

It isn't sudden. social Darwinism has been part of every argument against the New Deal from the start.

DaisyDay · 2025-11-12T12:29:42-0600

hedrick said:
Obama is not getting royalties from Obamacare. That’s satire

President Donald Trump shared a claim that former President Barack Obama received millions in Obamacare-related royalties before Trump’s Department of Government Efficiency stepped in to stop it. That claim originated from satire.

www.politifact.com

apparently the claims are satire.

As your source indicates, clever Donald's post is real.

BNR32FAN · 2025-11-12T12:16:29-0600

Dan1988 said:
I thought I already cleared this up for you. I told you that God is not the Author of evil, but He does allow evil doers to do their wicked work for a time. Then He torments them is the lake of fire for all eternity, so God sill wins.
They do their thing for a short time but God does His thing forever, that's a bargain. I love it, just as I love everything else that God does.

So these evil people who died in the flood were doing what God wanted them to do or were they doing what God didn’t want them to do?

RocksInMyHead · 2025-11-12T12:10:33-0600

Valletta said:
‘Arctic Frost’ Scandal: 51% Favor Impeaching Judge Boasberg

A narrow majority of voters agree with impeachment proceedings against a federal judge involved in the Biden administration’s “Arctic Frost” investigation that secretly targeted Republicans in Congress.

www.rasmussenreports.com

We will see how the country reacts as more information is forthcoming.

Public opinion is largely meaningless when it comes to impeachment. Or do you think that President Trump should be impeached too? After all 52% of Americans support the idea (at least back in April - it may be higher now): https://freespeechforpeople.org/wp-...americans-support-impeachment-rc-aso-memo.pdf

Chesterton · 2025-11-12T12:09:22-0600

zippy2006 said:
First, I still have a lot of respect for Shapiro,...

I do too. And when he was doing the college speaking years ago, I think he was excellent for conservatism. The perfect guy for that time.

zippy2006 said:
...but I think he mislead me a bit, and this in two ways.

I wouldn't be surprised. There are things to dislike about him. He can be...um...what's the word...can't say "shifty", can't say "crafty"... okay - disingenuous. The Dice video below is cued. Shapiro asks for money to help "children", never telling the listeners that 100% of donations go to help Jewish kids and families exclusively. I've double-checked what Dice says, and it's true. And Shapiro may or may not be directly involved with one or both charities. It's murky.

Imagine if I had a show and used it to get money that I gave to white kids only, or to Christian kids only, but you know, didn't think to mention that.

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zippy2006 said:
First, much of what is being said about Tucker strikes me as true, but after watching the whole interview I can see that Tucker was disagreeing with Fuentes, albeit very gently. This means that charges of "ideological laundering" pure and simple are not quite accurate.

It's possible Tucker didn't want to disagree with him sharply for the reason I gave a couple of posts above. Nick is good, and perhaps Tucker didn't want to be getting shown up on his large platform? But that's just speculation.

zippy2006 said:
Second, Fuentes is not as bad as I thought he was after I watched Shapiro's initial video. Resentment and anger seem to drive much of what he does, but he is at the same time intelligent, thoughtful, argument-based, and capable of self-reflection. For example, this is a surprising video.

That sort of forceful, emotional speech he makes near the beginning - I'd never heard that before. And it sounds like he's acting. In real life he's almost always smiling and happy and lighthearted even when discussing what he's been put through.

zippy2006 said:
At the same time, I think Fuentes' rhetoric is problematic, I think there is an affective problem (particularly with anger and resentment, albeit for legitimate injustices), and I think there are logical problems, including theologically,

Theologically. I've heard him say a few quirky things about his catholicism which I think are flat out wrong. But that's between you and him.

zippy2006 said:
* See for example this interview with Victor Davis Hanson.

I don't have time for the whole video. I found a little about Nick in the part where they're talking about Tucker. Is there anything else?

timothyu · 2025-11-12T12:04:02-0600

AI is no more of a lasting threat than man. Both can die, ending their reign of oppression or whatever. Simply pull the plug.

Hans Blaster · 2025-11-12T12:00:18-0600

SavedByGrace3 said:
Say what they want. But their opinions have no more weight than those of an illegal immigrant.

I'm almost encouraged that you didn't denigrate the unauthorized immigrant to a lower level.

SavedByGrace3 said:
We are American citizens.

Cool, so am I. It's not that hard to accomplish. All you need is to be born in the US or have a US born parent bring you back home after birth abroad. I manged one of those on my first breath.

SavedByGrace3 said:
My family has been here since 1620.

And so has mine... no wait it hasn't. We're much more recent arrivals. Does that matter? VP Vance thinks it does.

SavedByGrace3 said:
I have people in the Revolution, the Civil War, WW1, WW2, Korea, VN, and the Gulf War. We have blood in this matter.

Yes, but did they fight for the right side (the US side) during the Slaveholder's rebellion? (I'll give you one guess in my case.)

SavedByGrace3 said:
My family has 250 years of blood, sweat, and tears. We cut down the trees, plowed the land, and picked up weapons when called up. We have been paying taxes since the nation was started.

Anyone that owns property here or comes on a temporary visa pays taxes. Do their views count now?

SavedByGrace3 said:
Foreigners can say anything they want. But their words really do not weigh beyond a logical position. Fine. They do not have any say in where that money goes. They have no say in who our leaders are. They have no say in our laws, our constitution, or the fate of our children. I assume they have problems in their own countries that need attending to.

One of the values of the outsiders perpective is that they *don't* have a say. They don't have to worry about if their taxes will go up or a policy will cost their jobs. They can evaluate without being influenced by how a choice will impact them directly.

SavedByGrace3 said:
They have a say there. Not here.
I do not ignore their opinions... I just wonder why they care what happens in my country?

If you don't understand the role the US plays in global everything, I can't help you. You should have learned that already.

Pommer · 2025-11-12T11:57:40-0600

FAITH-IN-HIM said:
I'm glad President Trump is finally expressing what conservatives, liberals, Republicans, and Democrats have been saying for the past 50 years.

Thank you, Mr. President. Please simplify the H-1B visa process, pursue comprehensive immigration reform, and make America great again.

Has the $100k fee been rescinded?

RDKirk · 2025-11-12T11:48:57-0600

essentialsaltes said:
UN watchdog unable to verify Iran's stockpile of near-weapons grade uranium in months
The confidential report also said that Iran has still not granted the International Atomic Energy Agency access to sites affected by the war.

Why should they? The president of the United States testified that they've been destroyed.

linux.poet · 2025-11-12T11:47:43-0600

com7fy8 said:
If you are wrong in some way and this is the reason you are being criticized . . .

I’m always willing to consider that.

Though stubborn nitpicky criticism of where I choose to park the car, I don’t think that is covered.

Hans Blaster · 2025-11-12T11:36:45-0600

Warden_of_the_Storm said:
I also want to say that that link is actually brilliant in it's own way since it's got stuff talking about Medieval scholars talking about stuff and it's amazing.

Turns out, the idea of the pyramids being granaries goes all the way back to the 6th century AD.

It's like freedom for Andy Dufresne, you have to wade through a lot of ... but at the end of the pipe there are fabulous things.

FredVB · 2025-11-12T11:29:04-0600

FredVB said:
There are the commandments besides those that were written by the finger of God, after God spoke those ones audibly. Many other things commanded, being subject to the ten, are of the shadows which involve the priesthood, the sacrifices, and the ways to be made clean, which we have Christ for in the new covenant, and the civil law, which is not up to the Christian believers. And what we can be obedient in with it being in Christ we can do.

Leaf473 said:
Sorry, I'm not following

Are you saying the commandments don't change except for the ones that are the civil law? Or any other commandment that we can't keep in Christ?

Everything of the law is subject to what was written in stone by the finger of God after God spoke those things, including the priesthood, the sacrifices, the ways to be me made clean in the rituals all of which were shadows in the old covenant that Christ is revealed to be in the new covenant, penalties in civil law are shadows of justice from God, which Christ bore for the redeemed, the ones with repentant faith that came, and those with that who will come, to Christ, and be restored to God. What to do right in that is still what is right to do, in the new covenant that was prophesied this would be from the heart, that is the essential change. Everything before God is to involve living justly, loving mercy, and walking humbly with God.

GodAndChocolateVanilla · 2025-11-12T11:20:10-0600

I did more Drawing today!! ^w^ It was fun!! Thank You God!!

linux.poet · 2025-11-12T11:07:55-0600

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Flaming, goading, and attacking your fellow Christians is not how to address this subject. As all the arguments presented here have led to that, all of them are wrong.

Flaming churches for using discernment over the phone is not really a good way to discuss this, and led to flaming those who disagreed with your flaming of a church. Churches need to know where a person is and what spiritual condition they are in in order to best help the person. They cannot give out cash in America because someone could lie to them and use the cash to buy illegal drugs. For these reasons, churches will help you if you show up in person, not over the phone. They need to get to know you before they can help, but they do help. Many churches in my area stock gift cards to give out to people in need and have benevolence funds to help Christians in their congregation who are struggling. Considering these facts may help you build a more rule-following discussion around these issues in the future that is more fair to churches and your fellow Christians here at CF.

In certain areas churches may be strapped for resources, but they should refer people to community resources that can help them instead of just refusing to help. Churches who do these referrals should not be shamed or blamed, as that leads to the more extreme flaming that we saw here.

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Clare73 · 2025-11-12T11:05:55-0600

fhansen said:
Death of the soul is a metaphor historically used for the same concept- for that which happens when one is separated from God. And that's the point. So are you denying that man is born dead metaphorically, while truly dead to God, and must be born again?

I don't traffic in human metaphors for Biblically-stated truth.
Metaphors contain untruth and are problematic for Biblical concepts.

"Spiritual death" is the absence of eternal life within the humn immortal spirit, it is not "death of the soul."
Spiritual death does not mean current physical death, nor death of the human immortal spirit.
Most of living mankind is in spiritual death; i.e. no eternal (God's) life within their immortal human spirits.

fhansen said:
A distinction without much of a difference.

You make no distinction between physical death and spiritual death, seemingly treating them in the same way.
They are not the same thing, and do not have the same consequences.

1) The human spirit is immortal and does not die.
2) Spiritual death is not death of the immortal human spirit, it is the absence of eternal life within the immortal human spirit.
3) Spiritual death is not physical death.
4) Physical death is death of the physical body.

fhansen said:
How is imputing sin to anyone who isn't guilty of it any different-or better- or more just?

Well, man does not inherit sin (Eze 18:20).
Adam's sin is imputed by God, it being the pattern (Ro 5:14) for God's imputation of Christ's righteousness (Ro 5:18-19).

fhansen said:
You don't quite seem to get it. All fell with Adam and so all share the same fate and consequences. All are equally dead.
All need to be born again in order to live.

Do all need to be born again to have physical life?
They do not. . .

Rebirth (Jn 3:3-8) refers to eternal (God's) life within one's immortal spirit.
Rebirth does not refer to physical life.

Eternal life in the human spirit is not required for physical life.
One does not need to be spritually born again in order to be physically alive.

fhansen said:
Why, would you speculate, do all of Adam's descendants inevitably sin?
there's something more wrong with them than imputed sin.

Indeed. . .there is there nature, which makes them objects of God's wrath (Eph 2:3).

Adam's sin imputed to all mankind does not cause them to sin.
It simply counts them as guilty of Adam's sin and subject to its condemnation, it being the pattern (Ro 5:14) for the imputation of Christ's righteousness (Ro 5:18-19).

GodAndChocolateVanilla · 2025-11-12T11:05:37-0600

I'm at the Library right now!! I'm at a different one than I usually go to. ^w^

Michie · 2025-11-12T10:58:47-0600

Authorities say a man who was recently fired from his job was arrested for threatening to commit a mass shooting at a Florida megachurch.

Michael Iaboni, 32, was arrested late Saturday evening and booked early Sunday morning over videos he posted and later deleted from his social media in which he threatened to attack a local church.

According to an affidavit from the Palm Beach County Sheriff's Office, Iaboni stated in the video that "I got fired, and I'm fired up." He declared, "It's all kill shot."

Continued below.

‘It’s all kill shot’: Man arrested for allegedly threatening mass shooting at megachurch

A man who was recently fired from his job was arrested for allegedly threatening to commit a mass shooting at a Florida megachurch

www.christianpost.com

Say it aint so · 2025-11-12T10:48:17-0600

There are two sources who have said Trump is selling pardons. I makes one wonder.

reddogs · 2025-11-12T10:37:19-0600

Clare73 said:
It's not about "the Protestant denominations," it's about the word of God in Scripture.

The rejection of a non-Scriptural doctrine (Co-Redemptrix) puts one in agreement with the God-breathed (theopnuestos, 2 Tim 3:16) word of God written.

Well, as you saw from King Charles the 'head' of the Anglican church, they are all turning and following after the entity that prophecy said would happen.

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