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Stepping from Fog into Sunlight: What is your "Holy Ground" moment?

When the house lights dim and the first chord rings out, something shifts inside me—like stepping from fog into sunlight.

Share your "holy ground" moment: What sound, smell, or sight instantly shifts your perspective and tells you, "I am now in God's presence"?

Is entering worship only in a Church?

Finally, what's one sentence that captures that feeling?

Democrats shut down government

Oh the drama

Dear Holy Spirit remind me to be a follower of Your kindness and calling. For I am lowly, of dirt, earth, and sin. My flesh is an ocean that seeks to overwhelm me. May Christ forgive me, hold me, keep me. Teach me, Lord and Life-Giving Spirit, to be patient, show restraint, and to bless those who curse.

-CryptoLutheran
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Charlie Kirk & Christianity

This all sounds personal and subjective. So what about the many people who align with Kirk. Are they also not Christians.

Not that I am saying either opinion is correct but that this idea that some are not Christians and others are can be taken many ways dependning on a persons tilt whatever that is.

I think this is identity politics. Just like Kirk is not a true Christian belonging to the true Christian identity. There are other Christian identities within Christianity that war just like in secular society.

Like X politician is not a true Dem or Repulican or instead is a Nazi or white supremisist or Woke or Trans or a Women or male or black or Queer. Everything is determined by the identity and its ever changing morals and criteria for whats fits the moral and immoral identity of each group. According to the ideology they subscribe to.

Thats why I think as with the early church. Don't get too involved in the political arena. Just say the truth of the gospel warts and all and let people take it or leave it. Walk away. Don't get too bogged down in the politics and arguements as in the end its bel;ief and the spirit. Not some logical or reasoned arguement. Though that can dispell misconceptions many have today.

If they are interested they will come looking. God will be the one who awakens them. But if they are hostile Christ said pack up your stuff and go to the next town who may be more open.

I never spent much time watching Kirk's material.

Could you elaborate on how Kirk exhibited and advocated for Christian faith, practice, ethics, and general engagement with the world?

I've been told many times that Kirk promoted Christianity. So I'm curious how he did that.

-CryptoLutheran
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Midrash "VaYera" Torah Portion "Gen 18:1-22:24"

“VaYERA” (and he appeared) GENESIS 18:1-22:24


YHVH appears to Abraham at his tent, yet it also says that “three” men appeared to him. He addresses them as LORD (YHVH), how is that? One can only wonder. Could one of them be YHVH incarnate and the other two ministering angels? We might see a representation of ELOHIM “Av” (father), “Ben” (son), and “Ruach HaKodesh” (Holy Spirit)? This could lead to a lengthy discussion. All we know is that Abraham receives them with great hospitality. They eat and then they bless. This is pretty much how it works even today. We receive blessings from HaShem, but many times, we bless others, help others, and blessings follow.

Abram addresses the "men” (Shelosh anashim) as “Adonai”. In one Hebrew-English translation, the word “lords’ is used, yet in another, the word “Lord” is used. But in both translations, the word “Adonai” is used, which is “Master,” and it is one of the names of G-d. The “men” are indeed God, walking and talking with Abram.

Abraham shows hospitality to these “men” in that he prepares for them 4 items of food: water, bread, milk, and meat.” It is a great mitzvah to show love and hospitality to others who are outside of your family. Blessed are the foster parents and those parents who adopt unwanted children from other homes and bring them into their own homes as their “adopted children,” just as Adonai has adopted “all believers” into HIS family through our faith in Yeshua. In that way, ALL believers are “B’nei Elohim” (sons of God)

Adonai repays Abraham’s kindness to those “three men”. Not only does He grant Abraham and Sarah a son, “Yitzchak,” but generations down the line, He provides “water” in the desert through the “ROCK” that was split, He provides “Bread” (manna) in the desert, and of course, the cattle of the Israelites produced “milk and meat”. On another level, we see “Yeshua” in all of these. Yeshua is the “Living Water,” the “Bread of Life,” and the Torah is our “Milk and meat”. I guess we can say that all believers start by digesting the “milk’ of the Word, the easy stuff to understand, and when we mature, we can digest the “meat,” the more difficult stuff to understand.

Can we bless “Adonai?” We know that He blesses us in many ways and forms, but how do we “Bless” YHVH? “Baruch” (bless) comes from the word “Berek”, which means “knee”. When we “bow” the knee in praise and worship, we are, in fact, “blessing” Adonai. We come to pray, asking for “this and that,” but do we just come and thank HIM for just who He is?

He announces the birth of “Yitzchak,” yet Sarah laughs in disbelief, “within herself” not even out loud, or, just barely audible, yet YHVH hears her and asks, “Why did Sarah laugh? Yeah, but thou didst laugh.” Can anything be hidden from the LORD? Even inside us, HE KNOWS what is going on inside us, within the heart, within our minds, HE KNOWS ALL THINGS, even the “not so kosher” things. Something to think about the next time we think we are alone. We really are NOT alone.

Abraham intercedes for Sodom and Gomorrah, yet there were not even ten righteous residents of Sodom. Had Abraham asked, “Will you not spare Sodom for only ONE righteous person?” what do you think that the LORD would have answered? Maybe YES? If that had been so, then perhaps Lot and his family might have never left the city! Lot was still considered a “Tzadik,” a righteous person, yet he was living in a sinful and totally corrupt city. That is a dangerous position to be in, to be comfortable in a place where you have no business to be in! or participate in activities that the Lost World does. “By the skin of their teeth,” one might say, the angel drags Lot, his wife, and two daughters out of there before the judgment of destruction begins.

However, we can think back to when the scripture says that “Lot pitched his tent toward Sodom”. He wasn’t there yet; he was close, but then, he was INSIDE Sodom. He even bought a house, perhaps even started a business. We read that he was “at the gates of Sodom” when he invited the angels to come spend the night with him and his family. Those who were at the “gates” of the city were “greeters’ sort of saying, perhaps, “city officials and judges.” Maybe Lot was involved with politics. We can only guess; The Torah doesn’t go into detail about Lot’s life inside Sodom.

We know that before, he had many cattle. What happened to his cattle? Did he sell the cattle to buy the house? What happened to his tents? Traded it all for a life of “excitement?” inside the city? We must say that when families move to places or into corrupt neighborhoods, one might expect that the families also can suffer under corruption.

It isn’t easy to maintain one’s testimony in a pagan society or workplace, but it isn’t impossible. Lot was considered “righteous” in the New Covenant, yet his family suffered. When the angels led Lot and his family (wife and two daughters) out of the city, they were told not to “look back,” yet we remember that Lot’s wife DID look, and behold, she became a pillar of salt. She longed for her lifestyle in corrupt Sodom.

On the other hand, Lot’s daughters had sex with him and produced two sons: Moab and Ammon. The capital city, Amman, in Jordan, is named after “Ammon,” and the Moabites were also a corrupt, idol-worshiping people. But God has his hand in ALL situations. Remember that “Ruth” was a Moabitess, yet she became a “Y’hudit” and became part of God’s people, and Ruth is in the genealogy of Messiah Yeshua. Adonai can make a negative situation or decision and do something with it, something wonderful.

One thing we remember from Parashah “Noach”, the Torah says that “Noah was righteous in HIS generation.” Does that mean that if he were living in the time of Abraham, he might not have been considered so righteous? If yes, why? Did Noah plead for the lost world before the flood? Did he ask YHVH to save the world IF there could be found a handful of righteous people? We know what transpired during the years that it took Noach to build the ark. He was a preacher and warned the people of judgment. No one responded

In the book of Enoch, we know that Enoch warned the giants of impending judgment. In Noah’s case, the Torah is silent. We do see that Abraham pleads for the innocent people in Sodom. We know that there were probably infants and very young kids who were innocent. Sad to say that they, too, were destroyed; however, they are in heaven today because they died as innocent creations.

The command of the angel to Lot and his family was “don’t look back,” yet Lot’s wife DID look back and was turned into a pillar of salt. Does it really matter what YHVH turned her into? Might as well have been a loaf of bread, a donut, a fudge brownie, a…that fact of the matter is that she DID turn and look back. This is meaningful, indicating that she “longed” for that life of Sodom. She might have thought, “I’ll take one last look and…ZAP…instant saltine cracker. Perhaps she gazed on the very “essence” of YHVH in destruction mode.

We also read about the birth of “Yitzchak” and later the separation of “Ishmael” and “Yitzchak”. We see a separation between the “chosen” and the “world”, but also, we see today the “wheat” and the “tares” growing together, not to say that all the Arabs are evil, there are many born-again Arabs who are the descendants of Ishmael, those who love the LORD. But for the most part, the Arab world and Israel are enemies.

We come to the last part, the final test, “Take your son, your ONLY son who you love, and offer him as a sacrifice” Now God didn’t say “Sacrifice him” only “offer him as a sacrifice” Today, we offer ourselves as “living sacrifices” before YHVH to do his perfect will, and to serve him. Abraham was willing to bring the knife down on his only son Isaac, yet the LORD did not allow him to do so, as it was a test to see his obedience, and to see if he was willing to follow through with “sacrificing and spilling Isaac’s blood”.

When we read this account, we see symbolism. The “donkey” that took Father and Son to Mt Moriah, the donkey that took Yeshua to Jerusalem, later to be led to Mt. Calvary. The wood that was laid on Isaac’s back, compared to the cross beam that was laid on Yeshua’s back, or Yeshua’s back that was laid on that cross beam. The altar of stone, which Abraham built, compared to Calvary’s hill, which is pretty much made of stone, made by our heavenly Father. The fire that was in Abraham’s hands could symbolize the fiery judgment that Yeshua took on our behalf.

Isaac symbolizes ALL of us. Yet when Abraham was ordered to take him off the altar, so we were “replaced” by Yeshua. Isaac was replaced by the ram, which was caught in the thicket. The “ram” is “Yeshua”; the ram’s horns were caught in the thicket, and around the head of our Mashiach was a crown of thorns.

Isaac could not be the sacrifice for sin because he, like all of us, was born in sin. The ram took Isaac’s place as Yeshua took our place. In some translations, there are some interesting words spoken by Abraham. “God will provide himself as a lamb,” other translations read; “God will provide for himself a lamb.” I like the first one since it explains what God did: He came down and became the sacrifice lamb, in our place. What Abraham said was prophetic

God was not willing that anyone should perish, but for ALL to have eternal life. He was not willing that Abraham should give up his only son, but God was willing to give HIS unique SON, Yeshua, for the payment of our sin, once and forever. Yeshua is both “echad” (unity of ONE) and “Yachid” (unique, only, one of a kind)

Yeshua was willing and did undergo suffering for our sins, up there on that cross for a few hours, and thus made the “new covenant” that through his death and sacrifice, we might be saved. That is why the "New Covenant" based on the blood of Yeshua is better than the old, based on the blood of kosher animals. HIS sacrifice was made ONCE only, for all time. Receive HIM as LORD and Savior (if you haven't already), don't die in your sins.

Profane to Divine: Does God Drag You Through the Church Doors—or Do You Drag Your Feet?

Just so you know, Sister, I opened this thread hoping to hear how sinners feel the weekly threshold from the world’s noise into God’s sanctuary—stories, struggles, small victories.
Instead we’ve cycled through the same Hebrews-4 talking-points that every SDA training manual prints.
I’m content to let the conversation rest there.

For the record: my hope is not in calendar-keeping but in Christ’s finished work; the Lord’s Day is the gate He opens, not the merit I offer.

I could never keep things perfectly to try and prove I am in.
Faith is the key the Holy Spirit gives, and that same Spirit holds the key for me, because such a task can only be in God’s hands.

Got to be very careful with too many rules—always been an issue with humans.
I am more than happy to enjoy the peace that Christ gives to those around me and myself: to step into a church, hear the voices sing “oh praise Him…,” then hear the Shepherd speak “oh praise Him…,” and depart into the week with love for our Lord God—not because we earned His favor, but because we love Him as Saviour and God.

May you know that same rest, and may His name be praised by all who cross from profane time into His holy assembly—whether on Saturday, Sunday, or finally in the eternal eighth day.
Grace to you.

Have a great day/night

Bye for now.
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Nancy Pelosi to retire from Congress after nearly 4 decades in office

He was a successful investor before she ever ran for COngress.
Not as successful as having her in Congress! Nancy Pelosi made $130M in stock profits during her Congressional career, a mind blowing return of 16,930%...Insider trading, pure and simple! She has done way better than Warren Buffett! It is very obvious that she used her position in Congress to enrich herself. Before first taking Congressional office in 1987, the then-47-year-old freshman and her hubby, venture capitalist Paul Pelosi, reported between $610,000 and $785,000 in stocks in their portfolio, according to a copy of her 1987 financial disclosure.
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How old was Mary when she gave birth to Christ?

As practiced custom I would say Mary was young. Maybe around 16 years when she was pregnant. As it seems the whole thing happened pretty quick with Caesar Augustus and the census and having to return to Bethlehem to be enrolled. Mary got pregnant, she met Joseph and the next thing pregnant Mary is on a donkey to Bethlehem.

Joseph would have been a lot older, maybe 35. But really I think that can be young in those times. At least not some old bloke which can happen.

But what I find most interesting when I seen this topic. Its been on my mind for some reason. Maybe because we are more or less 2,000 years exactly to a lot of these events around Christ.

But depending on when you think Christ was born. Some say the year 0 or 1AD. But theres a consensus for around 4BC. If thats the case then we would be coming into the start of 2000 years since Christ began His 3 year ministry. That would mean in 2027 or maybe 2026 Christ will be starting.

John the Baptist will be calling from the wilderness just about now 2000 years ago lol. Christ would have been at home preparing. But its getting close to His 2000 year anniversary of His ministry and eventual crucifixtion. I wonder if this has any significance.
The bible doesn't tell us how old Mary was, nor does it tell us that she rode a donkey to Bethlehem. It also doesn't tell us that Joseph was much older than Mary. We have songs that tell us these things, for example, "Little Donkey" and "The Cherry Tree Carol" which begins: "Joseph was an old man, an old man was he." But such songs are unbiblical.
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UK University Slaps Violence Warning on Bible, Citing the Crucifixion and Cain and Abel

They should placing a warning on fairy tales then. That stuff was read before college and it intensifies as the student matures.. why single out the Bible? It really makes no sense when you look at the big picture.
Well I suppose kids have their parents available should they get too distressed, but I agree that it makes no sense to single out the Bible.
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Why do people hate ICE...

Where did I say that? Link and quote from me, please.
My bad, I got you and Yard Dog mixed up. I got confused who I was talking with.

But the rest of my post stands. You claiming something rhat you do yourself. Its called projection and its appropriate to point it out.

By the way you seen to like to like to put thoughts into others heads. Like when you said.

"You are arguing nonsense, you simply want to invent a boogeyman to scare yourself, then blame everybody else for your fear."

How do you know what I want and who I want to scare? Projecting your own thoughts again?
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SO HOW DO YOU KNOW YOU ARE SAVED ??

The church does not teach both offers. The only one they tell people about is believe in Jesus to be saved.

So what do you mean by this?

There were requirements for both offers. One, to believe, required no work. The other required that you are not against Jesus, which required work. Anyone against Jesus would cause continual war on the new earth, and those who were not against Jesus could not live in peace. I thank God that He has requirements for both.
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Newsome pushed back against Democracy to achieve his political goals

I appreciate it, but I don't really see it as connected since it seems to just be a pretext to me.
The pretext given is one thing, but the fact remains: Trump said do it, and Abbott obeyed. If you consider gerrymandering to indicate that a governor "lacks integrity or principles," then the criticism would be the same for Abbott as for Newsom. If you're willing to criticize one, but unwilling to criticize the other, then your issue isn't with integrity, principles or gerrymandering.

I never said I don't have a problem with other states doing it, but if the response to it is "well, let's do it!" then clearly the Democrats don't have a problem with it and only have a problem with it because Republicans are doing it. The judicial rulings on the issue appear to me to be entirely in the wrong, but my issue is with the governor of my state proving he's a partisan hack since he's more concerned with how his party performs than with protecting the voting rights of the citizens of his state.
A criticism that would apply to both governors, then. My point was that you're fully willing to criticize Newsome, but seem unwilling to levy the same criticism toward Abbott. Which would indicate to me your issue isn't entirely with the concept of gerrymandering.

I've since been corrected, he simply bypassed the commission in order to institute blatant gerrymandered districts.
He didn't do that either. He put it up to the voters, and they decided.

Either way, it shows a lack of integrity on his part and those who are defending the move while bemoaning Republican gerrymandering.
As I said before, if there were legislation banning gerrymandering, I'd be fully behind it. But SCOTUS has ruled otherwise, so it remains perfectly legal and within the rights of any state to engineer it. Which means that, if one state doing so, purely for partisan reasons on orders from an authoritarian leader, is entirely legal, then another state doing so with the full consent and support of the voters is also perfectly legal.

Whether or not you like one, but not the other, is entirely your business. But don't try to pretend you're applying the same standard across the board, because you ain't.

-- A2SG, and that's the truthhhpppth....
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Former CIA boss, ex-FBI officials subpoenaed in DOJ probe

Federal Judge Drops Brutal Ruling Against Disgraced FBI Agent Who Played Key Role in Russia Hoax


A federal judge just gave disgraced former FBI agent Peter Strzok some horrible news. The judge dismissed his lawsuit against the government over his firing in 2018.​
Who will turn evidence to save themselves?
What does a dismissed civil case have to do with "turning evidence"? Civil cases don't have anything to do with criminal cases and Strzok hasn't worked for the FBI in 8 years.
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Praying for the Dead: The Sweetest of the Spiritual Works of Mercy...

In on
Amen! Unfortunately, some people don’t have much theological or biblical education. It’s really not their fault, I guess?
You do not really learn the faith through books imo. Bible? Yes. It something the person desires and the Holy Spriit steps in. I know from experience that a convert is hungry and they search out the food that feeds them as the process in the journey. God recognizes that and gives what they need in their desire to become closer to Him. You can read about it or you seek it in humility where it becomes your spiritual DNA. None of us have arrived as far as what we think we know. We are just sowers in His field. But all of us need a Shepherd. Of course that is Jesus Christ the genuine Shepherd. What He left for us is something we should prayerfully discern. I really feel people have pushed the gift of the Holy Spirit away, even as self proclaimed Christ followers. You see many now even criticizing their brethren in favor of worldly approval.

But after my long winded rant.. yep, I agree. But they may not be feeling any of those hunger pangs yet to pursue it yet. Conceding one’s self can be a double edged sword. I know I have often felt like baby bird squealing for mama. Got to be sincerely hungry.
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Would Jesus Condemn the Rosary? Jesus condemns ‘vain repetition’ in prayer . . . but Catholics also have the rosary.

The rosary also fulfills the command of scripture

Romans 12



1 I BESEECH you therefore, brethren, by the mercy of God, that you present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, pleasing unto God, your reasonable service. 2 And be not conformed to this world; but be reformed in the newness of your mind, that you may prove what is the good, and the acceptable, and the perfect will of God


We are to sacrifice our time, talent, and treasure. The Rosary is a sacrifice of our time to develop our talent to make Jesus and the Gospel our treasure. For Jesus says, where your treasure is, there will also be your heart.



We are also told in Philippians 4

8- For the rest, brethren, whatsoever things are true, whatsoever modest, whatsoever just, whatsoever holy, whatsoever lovely, whatsoever of good fame, if there be any virtue, if any praise of discipline, think on these things 9 The things which you have both learned, and received, and heard, and seen in me, these do ye, and the God of peace shall be with you.

In the Rosary we contemplate the mysteries of our redemption. Are they not holy and lovely? The Rosary is not all there is to think about, but learning it and saying it daily is a way to build discipline.
The mysteries are all in scripture, and when we repetitively contemplate them, the mysteries come alive as we receive our answer from God in prayer. Even the Hail Mary prayer, most objected to by non Catholics, begins with two quotes from scripture in the Gospel of Luke 1:28 and 1:42
Should we not contemplate these until they are planted firmly in our minds?

I can testify that it is true to follow this advice given in Scripture by Paul. I have done what he instructs and the peace of God is with me through the Rosary
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TRUMP "MISSED THE DEADLINE" TO CALL OFF TX GERRYMANDERING; CALIFORNIA WILL NOW DRAW NEW, MORE “BEAUTIFUL MAPS”

What an inane thing to say. Why would I just lay on the ground and let someone kick me? Why would I not get up and walk away?

Yeesh. And I realize this has nothing to do with gerrymandering, but I was just responding to the horrible analogy presented to me.
I think you just missed the point of the analogy. Let me try to clarify: The bar is the country, the person kicking you is a political party resorting to unfair or dirty tricks to win an election. In this analogy, your solution, "just get up and walk away," would equate to leaving the country.

Is that your best solution for handling political disagreements or responding to unfair political tactics?

-- A2SG, metaphors can be hard sometimes....
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Trump promises $2000 tariff dividend to all Americans

ROFL!!!!

No way.
You believe that hey?

What happenned to paying down the debt? That has already increased faster than ever before (not counting COVID).
This will also be done with the tariffs. Eventually. It has to get worse before it gets better.
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