Just as a general comment in this ridiculous thread, even though it has been repeated for years on end here,...
- We have a new covenant, not a re-newed one.
What is the New Covenant established on? All new laws? Can you please point where it says this?
According to what I can find in Scripture the New Covenant is established (the basis) on better promises
Heb 8:6 But now He has obtained a more excellent ministry, inasmuch as He is also Mediator
of a better covenant,
which was established on better promises.
What else does the New Covenant have?
Heb8:10
For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days,
says the Lord: I will put My laws in their mind a
nd write them on their hearts; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people.
Who determines what are God's laws- God or us?
God said the first covenant His Ten Commandments are
His laws
Deu 4:13 So
He declared to you
His covenant which
He commanded you to perform, the
Ten Commandments; and
He wrote them on two tablets of stone.
Deu 5:22 "These words
the LORD spoke to all your assembly, in the mountain from the midst of the fire, the cloud, and the thick darkness, with a loud voice; and
He added no more. And
He wrote them on two tablets of stone and gave them to me.
Exo 20:6 6 but showing mercy to thousands, to those who love
Me and keep
My commandments.
According to clear Scripture the New Covenant is
established on better promises and still has
God's laws now written on a better surface, from tables of stone to tablets of the heart. Why we see all Ten Commandments being kept all throughout the NC because they never disappeared as many teach because its still sin to break them 1John3:4 breaking one we break them all James 2:11
2 Cor3:3 clearly you are an epistle of Christ, ministered by us, written not with ink but by the Spirit of the living God
, not on tablets of stone but on tablets of flesh, that is, of the heart.
I don't know why so many spend their time focusing on what the NC is not about instead on focusing what God said it is about- better promises. Is it a better promise to worship other gods? Or is it the better promise of how God will help us keep His commandments through our love and faith (John14:15-18) so we don't sin and fall in apostasy like those who came before us. Do we really think God loves us more than those before us Rom2:11 that the result is going to be different when we are told plainly its not? Heb 4:11 1 John2:4 Mat7:21-23 Rev 22:14-15 Heb 10:26-30
Like Joshua if only worshipping God seems evil to us, which is the first commandment in the Ten that Jesus plainly said He did not come to destroy (like the other nine) we all must make choices. . .
Joh 24:15
And if it seems evil to you to serve the Lord, choose for yourselves this day whom you will serve, whether the gods which your fathers served that
were on the other side of [
b]the River, or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land you dwell. But as for me and my house, we will serve the Lord.”
- We are children of Abraham, not children of Moses.
Yes, Abraham also kept God's commandments Gen 26:5 as did Moses as does everyone who loves God and abides in Him. Exo20:6 John14:15 Rev 14:12 John 15:10 1 John 3:24 Rev 22:14 etc
- Jesus fulfilled all of the law, not part of it. It is finished/completed.
Lets again actually look at the Scripture
Mat 5:17
“Do not think that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets
. I did not come to destroy but to fulfill.
Does fulfill mean the same thing as destroy? To end- of course not. When one fulfills a wedding covenant does that mean they can commit adultery? Sadly this is what people are teaching to commit adultery with God. Jesus filled- full the Law just as He promised to do
Isa 42:21 The Lord is well pleased for his righteousness' sake;
he will magnify the law, and make it honourable.
What are we supposed to do with God's law- same as Jesus John15:10 1 John2:6
Rom 8:4 that t
he righteous requirement of the law might be fulfilled in us who do not walk according to the flesh but according to the Spirit.
What does walking in the flesh mean? Those laying aside the commandments of God Mark7:7-8
Rom 8: 7
Because the [c]carnal mind is enmity against God; for it is not subject to the law of God, nor indeed can be. 8
So then, those who are in the flesh cannot please God.
So lets not twist what Jesus said plainly and make ourselves an enemy to Him.
Those who receive His Spirit is not disobeying God's laws John 15:14-18 Acts 5:32. If one would use common sense- is Jesus teaching because He fulfilled the law that means we can worship other gods, or vain His holy name, or steal from our neighbor and murder them breaking the least of these commandments the opposite of what He said in the same passage? Mat5:19-30 that makes us an enemy of God Rom8:7-8 and outside God's Kingdom Rev22:15
- We obey Jesus and "His" commandments, not Moses and the law.
Please find Moses in one of these verses. This is God of the Universe speaking and His
own personal written Testimony- Moses is not God. Jesus said He did not come to destroy but to magnify
Exo 20:1 And God spoke all these words, saying:
2 “
I am the Lord your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of [
a]bondage.
3 “You shall have no other gods before
Me.
4 “You shall not make for yourself a carved image—any likeness
of anything that
is in heaven above, or that
is in the earth beneath, or that
is in the water under the earth;
5 you shall not bow down to them nor [
b]serve them.
For I, the Lord your God,
am a jealous God, visiting[
c] the iniquity of the fathers upon the children to the third and fourth
generations of those who hate
Me, 6 but showing mercy to thousands, to those who love
Me and keep
My commandments.
7 “You shall not take the name of
the Lord your God in vain, for
the Lord will not hold
him guiltless who takes His name in vain.
8 “Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy.
9 Six days you shall labor and do all your work,
10 but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God.
In it you shall do no work: you, nor your son, nor your daughter, nor your male servant, nor your female servant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger who
is within your gates.
11 For
in six days
the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that
is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore
the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.
Deu 4:13 So
He declared to you
His covenant which
He commanded you to perform, the
Ten Commandments; and
He wrote them on two tablets of stone.
Exo 20:6 6 but showing mercy to thousands, to those who love
Me and keep
My commandments.
Sometimes things are just too simple for people to understand and they hold onto personal beliefs instead of seeking the truth from GOD (even though the truth is staring them right in the face).
This we can agree on.
Truth according to Scripture
Jesus is the Truth John 14:6
All His commandments are Truth Psa 119:151
His Word is Truth John 17:17
His Truth sets us free John 8:32
But sadly many have turned from the Truth as we are told
2 Tim 4: 3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine, but according to their own desires,
because they have itching ears, they will heap up for themselves teachers; 4
and they will turn their ears away from the truth, and be turned aside to fables