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The Saving results of the Death of Christ !

One does not need expert credentials to follow the syntactical case I've presented. One only needs a willingness to engage the text itself. That, so far, has been the missing ingredient in this thread.
Well, no one seems to understand your argument.
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Are the Jews Israel, or is the church Israel? Or does it depend on the context of the passage?

The Jewish State of Israel, is a fake Israel. Judah lost their claim to the Israel name when they split from the 10 Northern tribes , 3000 years ago.

This is proved by Jesus when He said He had been sent to save the lost House of Israel. Matt 15:24 He was in the land of the Jews and they rejected and killed Him.
The NT makes it clear who the real Peoples of God, the Overcomers for Him and the true Israelites; are.

The NT and the OT, also make it clear what the fate of the apostate Jews will be. Luke 19:27
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Bill Maher blasts Left for having 'freaked out' over gender ideology: 'That's not scientific'

Reddit is a cesspool,
The other day it was a post asking, gay people just want to live their lives, why the hate?
I mean i don't hate people, but when those are brainwashing kids, and then after society tells a boy he can be a girl, they cut him in surgeries.
It has to be the worst atrocities in 'civilized' society, apart from war etc. It really they just want 'to live their lives'. There was other poster saying that from conservatives and religious people nothing good can come.
I have a hobby that is videogames, and also i liked movies, they are the 5 percent of people, but have to be everywhere, videogames now need to be super gay for this companies.
I repeat i don't hate people, if i would hate people i would need to repent, i keep in check to forgive to whoever wrong me etc, but also they hate us for having morals, and wish your death for stating them.
So i disagree.
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This is how it is for me.

Romans 8:9 KJV
But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

John 3:5 KJV
Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
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This simple truth seems to escape you. A unbeliever is a person who has not the Spirit of Christ.

A believer is a person who has received The Spirit of Christ. They received The Spirit of Christ at the very moment they believed in Jesus for Eternal Life.
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The Lord's Wrath - How will it Happen

What WILL happen:

The enemies of the Lord gather
- Micah 4:11-12, Ezekiel 36:2

They conspire to attack Israel - Psalms 83:1-8, Isaiah 21:2

They prepare their weapons - Psalms 7:12, Ezekiel 7:14

This is the situation today.



At the moment of attack, God will use His Creation, the sun to send fire - Deuteronomy 32:22 & 34-43, Isaiah 30:26 & 30, Psalms 11:4-6, Isaiah 66:15-17, 2 Peter 3:7, Amos 1:1-15 & 2:1-5 , Psalms 50:1-3, Zephaniah 3:8, Revelation 6:12-17

The sun will explode with an extremely bright flash and the moon will reflect bright red
- Isaiah 30:26, Joel 2:31, Acts 2:20, Habakkuk 3:4-5

The Lord will make their weapons recoil upon themselves, the Electro-Magnetic Pulse hit will cause them to explode - Psalms 7:13-16, Joel 3:4, Obadiah 15

Then the sun, moon and stars will be obscured by the approaching Coronal Mass Ejection - Psalms 18:11-12, Isaiah 13:9-13, Ezekiel 32:7-8, Amos 8:9

A huge superhot mass of hydrogen plasma approaches the earth – Joel 1:15-20, Malachi 4:1, Zephaniah 1:14-18

Everyone on earth will be shocked and terrified - Jeremiah 6:24-26, Ezekiel 21:5-7a, Isaiah 13:6-8, Revelation 6:15-17

The atmosphere will be pushed aside – Revelation 6:14, 2 Peter 3:10, Isaiah 34:4

The whole earth will be enveloped by fire - Isaiah 66:15, Zeph. 3:8, 2 Peter 3:7

In the Holy Land, only a remnant will survive - Zechariah 13:8-9, Isaiah 6:11-13

He will punish His enemies, the attackers of Israel- Psalms 83, Isaiah 63:1-6, Habakkuk 3:12, Revelation 14 18-20, Isaiah 66:17, Isaiah 29:20-21, Hebrews 10:27

His enemies will become ashes - Malachi 4:3, Ezekiel 30:1-5, Jeremiah 49:2, Matthew 3:12b

Millions will die around the world - Psalms 97:3-5, Jeremiah 25:33, Isaiah 13:12

The Lord will protect those who call to Him - Isaiah 43:2, Joel 2:32, Acts 2:21

But most people will take shelter until it passes. Isaiah 2:19, Revelation 6:15

The survivors will form a One World Govt. - Daniel 7:23-24, Revelation 17:12

The Holy Land will be regenerated - Ezekiel 36:8, Joel 2:21-24, Isaiah 35:1-10, Amos 9:13-15, Jeremiah 33:12-14

And the Lord's faithful Christian people will gather there. - Psalms 107, Isaiah 35:1-10, Ezekiel 34:11-16, Isaiah 66:18b-21, Revelation 7:9-14

They will become the new nation of Beulah - Isaiah 62:1-5, Ezekiel 36:3-38, Jeremiah 31

They will build a new Temple – Zechariah 6:15, Haggai 2:9, Ezekiel 40 to 48

The attack by a Northern army will be won by the Lord – Ezekiel 38:22, Joel 2:20

The leaders of Beulah will break the Covenant with the Lord and sign a 7 year peace treaty with the leader of the O.W.G. Daniel 9:27, Isaiah 28:14-15

At the midpoint he will break the treaty and conquer Beulah-Daniel 9:27, Zechariah 14:1-2

This commences the 7 Trumpets and 7 Bowls of the Great Tribulation - Rev 8:2 onward.

Those who kept their faith in God will be taken to a safe place on earth. Daniel 11:32b, Revelation 12:14

3.5 years later, Jesus will Return in His glory, for His Millennial reign - Revelation 19:11-21, Matthew 24:30-31, Zechariah 14:3-4



The Lord has told us His plans and He will not relent or change them - Jeremiah 4:28

There are plenty more prophecies and scriptures to prove this scenario.

Believe it or not it’s up to everyone to decide! Psalms 19:11-12, Isaiah 48:6
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Test By God

Dear brothers and sisters in Christ,

I hope this message finds you well. I am reaching out today to share my personal
testimony of how God has been testing my faith and trust in Him.

As many of us know, life can be challenging and unpredictable at times. But
through it all, I have come to realize that God uses these trials to refine our
character and strengthen our relationship with Him.

In my own journey, I have faced several difficult circumstances that seemed
impossible to overcome. However, through prayer, perseverance, and trusting in
God's sovereignty, He has seen me through each challenge.

My experience has taught me that when we face tests of our faith, we must:

1. Remain steadfast in our commitment to Christ
2. Trust in His goodness and wisdom
3. Seek guidance from Scripture and prayer
4. Lean on fellow believers for support

I encourage you all to hold fast to your faith during these trying times.
Remember that God is always with us and will never leave us or forsake us (He
brews 13:5).

Let us continue to lift each other up in prayer and stand firm in our walk with
Christ, even as we face various trials and tribulations.

May God bless and strengthen you all,
You don't know what your doing.

UN rapporteur on sexual violence denies Hamas raped women during Oct. 7 attacks

You mean like ITV and antisemitic IDF soldiers brave enough to tell the truth of what has been done in Gaza? Try looking at the video - it might be more enlightening than trawling through my posting history! Like haven't you got better things to do.
No not at the moment. Sorry.
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Pastor, Elders abducted. Gazan Christians struggle. Rejoicing in affliction.

On Sunday, July 27, 2025, Islamists entered a church building in northeastern Benin near the end of the service and abducted its pastor and three elders. Persecution is prevalent in the northern part of Benin, where Christians are beaten and sometimes killed and church buildings are routinely destroyed.

A senior Beninese pastor requested prayer for the abducted church leaders and that Christians in Benin will remain bold witnesses to Christ amid persecution.

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Christians in Gaza have suffered greatly amid the ongoing regional conflict that began on Oct. 7, 2023. “We had about 900 [Christians], and after the war about 200 of them, at least, left Gaza,” said Pastor Hanna Massad of Christian Mission to Gaza.

He also said that living conditions for those who remained have been difficult: “It has been really hard for them. Many of them [have] lost a lot of weight.” Many of the Christians unable to flee from Gaza are sheltering in a Catholic church, which was struck by an Israeli tank shell on July 17, 2025, killing three people. A priest and a relative of Rami Ayyad were among those killed.

Rami was the former manager of the only Christian bookstore in Gaza and was killed by Islamists in 2007 for his faith and ministry activities. The Israeli government claimed the strike on the church was a mistake and is investigating.

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On Aug. 7, 2021, Pastor Wang Xiaoguang; his wife, Yang Rongli; and other leaders of the Linfen church in Shanxi Province were arrested.

They were accused of fraud, which is how the Chinese Communist Party characterizes the collection of tithes in the church. After almost four years of detention, Pastor Wang Xiaoguang was sentenced to nine years and seven months in prison.

In a separate trial, Yang Rongli was sentenced to 15 years in prison. Together, they also face fines of 2.3 million yuan, or more than $320,000. Wang Xiaoguang’s son reported that his father considered it “a great honor” to be put on trial for the Lord, and his mother called the sentence “a great crown given to me by God.” Pray for Pastor Wang, his wife and the church leaders who were charged alongside them. Pray that their endurance will be a powerful testimony to the officials who imprison them and to the church they love.

Click here to find out about Christian persecution in China and learn how to pray.
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Why Zohran Mamdani won and New York will pay a terrible price

And you didn't listen to the critics, which is fine.
I do but let's be clear:
His critics are working from fear.



However, the commission of
civilians he says he'll recreate, will take roles that the police no do. Will the
members of this commission have guns and authority to make arrests when
necessary?
Do cops make arrests with 100% of their engagement?
What if the person just needs mental health support?
I can say right now that having someone who is trained and CAPABLE at de-escalation will do 100% more good than a cop pointing a gun at a problem.
Many, many times.


Those are the questions being asked that are not answered by
Mamdani.
I would foresee that he is likely working out those details and policies.
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House Democrat exchanged texts with Epstein during 2019 congressional hearing

Yeah. I repeat: And....?
And nothing - the facts in the OP showed it was multiple text during a hearing - not an email as you stated - oops
Please, let me know what that "viable subject" is whenever you're ready.
You would have to determine what is viable - you are the one who evidently thought it a salient point that you never heard of her before. Sounds dismissive and non viable to me.
-- A2SG, content to wait, I brought a good book.....
No waiting at all - I'm glad you are content -

Care to correct your error?

-- Always in His Presence, content to wait also - in the middle of the Book of John...
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Trump meets with Saudi Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman at White House

Would you truly have preferred that Trump did nothing to try to stop the current wars in the Middle East?

CHOOSE
Middle East under Biden
Middle East under Trump
I will admit that the middle east is looking a bit better than usual, if you put a screen in front of the piles of corpses the israeli army is still creating during the current "cease fire".


But I don't think this moves the needle enough to make up for Trump's failures in other regards.
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Major News about Iran - Capital move, possible war and more

I looked it up:

Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei set the tone in mid-July, warning that Iran remained fully prepared for renewed confrontation and could hit Israel “even harder” than during the 12-Day War should hostilities resume.
Ah okay, thanks!
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Gov. Abbott declares CAIR, Muslim Brotherhood terrorist groups

The proclamation cites several reasons for the designations, alleging the groups pose a threat to the security and residents of Texas.
"The Muslim Brotherhood and CAIR have long made their goals clear: to forcibly impose Sharia law and establish Islam’s ‘mastership of the world,’" said Governor Abbott. "The actions taken by the Muslim Brotherhood and CAIR to support terrorism across the globe and subvert our laws through violence, intimidation, and harassment are unacceptable. Today, I designated the Muslim Brotherhood and CAIR as foreign terrorist organizations and transnational criminal organizations. These radical extremists are not welcome in our state and are now prohibited from acquiring any real property interest in Texas."

We need to recognize these bad actors who hide by calling others Islamaphobics.

AI And Universal Basic Income Can It Actually Work?

I’ve been watching a lot of videos about AI and I see a lot of people talking about AI replacing humans in almost every field of work. Many speculate that consumers would likely receive a universal income from the government and I just can’t wrap my mind around the idea because I can’t see where the government would get enough money to cover that huge of an expense. The largest portion of the government’s revenue is going to be coming from companies who are only paying a small portion of their profits in taxes which is somehow supposed to be enough to redistribute back to consumers who then buy products from the companies but there’s a rapid downward spiral in the actual numbers that doesn’t add up to me. Of only a portion of the companies’ profits are being paid to the government that means that consumers can only receive a portion of that money because some will be needed to operate the government and the rest that is left over going to consumers to recirculate back into the companies is going to be far less and less each year. So what’s going to fill this huge discrepancy in funds?

Skillet’s John Cooper Responds to Criticism New Chart-Topping Christmas Song Is ‘Demonic’

Must be a problem with the music:

Skillet Lyrics

"O Come, O Come Emmanuel"

O come, O come, Emmanuel
And ransom captive Israel
That mourns in lonely exile here
Until the Son of God appear

Rejoice! Rejoice! Emmanuel
Shall come to thee, O Israel

O come, Thou Rod of Jesse, free Jesse free
Thine own from Satan's tyranny Tyranny
From depths of hell Thy people save
And give them victory o'er the grave

Rejoice! Rejoice! Emmanuel
Shall come to thee, O Israel

God is with us
He's with us now
O come, o come Emmanuel
O come, Thou Dayspring, come and cheer
Our spirits by Thine advent here
Disperse the gloomy clouds of night
And death's dark shadows put to flight

Rejoice! Rejoice! Emmanuel
Shall come to thee, O Israel
Rejoice! Rejoice! Emmanuel
Shall come to thee, O Israel

Rejoice! Rejoice! Emmanuel
Shall come to thee, O Israel

God is with us
He's with us now
Oh, our God is Emmanuel
That is the "concern". The first couple of minutes of the song are very true musically to the traditional version. Then the song moves into a very heavy breakdown, with the last 2 segments you show being sung in a heavy style. It then shifts back to more traditional music and finishes with "
O come, o come Emmanuel. He's with us now".

It makes sense what they are doing musically. The song points back to a time when the Israelites were enslaved and in anguish in many ways. The song reflects the reality that we do call out to God in anguish and as believers ultimately put our faith in God and his grace. The song musically reflect the hope, then the anguish and ultimately resolves with that knowledge that God is with us. Their version of the song is clearly not meant to be performed that way in churches, but they are already performing it in concerts with audiences of diverse faith beliefs.

To me the criticism is really preferences and some who feel like their preferences are somehow God ordained while other peoples are not. I'm not a fan of current Skillet; I think their best years are way behind them and the current rendition is pretty boring. However, you can't make a real case that they are not theologically Nicene Christians, and unlike many they openly take their music into the secular world. I've seen them playing at a festival in front of over 50,000 people put the prophies of Christ from Isaiah on the screen behind them as they sing a song about Salvation. I've seen their open Christianity playing to secular audiences, and I'm certain it has caused many people to both investigate Christ and to know that it's not just what they see portrayed in the media.
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Did the beginning of the IDL change the beginning of the Jewish Sabbath?

And Jesus kept the Sabbath wherever he was in His travels. Sundown varied depending on His location and the lay of the land, as it does now everywhere regardless of where we are in any given time zone.

And as was said, No one knows where Eden was. So obviously where sundown was during it's inception is inconsequential.
Do you believe moving the start of the Sabbath from Mt Sinai to start at IDL is inconsequential for those who believe man is still under the ritual laws of the Old Covenant?
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what is Calvinism answer to how God works?

No, you comprehend wrong. Human decisions are subject to influences, though the mathematical expected outcome can still be normalized. The positive and negative influences include such as the guiding of the Holy Spirit (positive) and the temptation of the devil (negative). Free will isn't without influences, but free will still follows the mathematical rule to work with or without such influences. Or else it won't be called "free will" at all. To put it another way, free will is still free will when it is under influences, it still follows mathematical rule to function. Of course, God reserves the right to alter the outcome with manual intervention (if that's what you mean to say), it by no means says God needs (as a necessity) to alter each and every single bit of free will to deliever the outcome. He can just sit back to allow the rule function. It more or less resembles the miracles. God doesn't need to apply miracles (intervention) to maintain everything, everything can follow physical laws to function by itself though at the same time subject to the possibilities of God's intervention (such as parting the Red Sea).
Didn't I say it can be mathematically described? But even you said, "with normal distribution". That implies something about causation. the fact that the lines of causation are too vast and complicated for us to decipher doesn't mean that there actually is something we call "chance". It only means that we think that way.

You say, "Or else it won't be called "free will" at all". So what? The fact it is called "free will" doesn't make it free. I've heard it argued that since the dictionary defines "freewill" how it does, that it is therefore a fact! No, it only shows that that is what WE mean by it. And that only shows that we think of it as free. We use most words pretty loosely—"You are free to go"; "Buy two, get one free"; Freely give, freely receive"; "You are free to choose according to your inclinations"; I used to say there is such a thing as free will, by which I only meant that our choices are real, with real—even eternal—results. But people still took me wrong, so I avoid saying there is such a thing. If all you mean by free will is that people are free to do as they wish, that is fine with me. But if you say that free will means that they do things, uncaused to do so, then I disagree.

You say, "...it by no means says God needs (as a necessity) to alter each and every single bit of free will to deliever the outcome." I say he doesn't need to alter it at all. He USES it! Predestination/ determinism/ decree/ creating-ex-nihilo implies that what a person "freely" chooses to do, just like all other things that happen [down to the smallest motion of matter/force/thought], is caused to be what it is, to accomplish God's purposes. God needn't alter anything. WE are the ones who consider some things "natural" and other things "intervention", as though one takes more than the other for God to do. But the fact is, ALL is caused to be what it is by God. Existence itself is miracle, in that sense. You say, "He can just sit back to allow the rule function." Very fact itself is maintained by God. The difference is how WE look at it. God doesn't stop paying attention, nor does he pay more particular attention, to either one.

You say, "...everything can follow physical laws to function by itself...". Well, yes, physical laws are how WE see the usual. But there is no usual, normal, natural, apart from God's doing. When God "rested" on the 7th day of Creation, it doesn't mean he ceased 'exerting'* himself. It only means he ceased from creating at that point.

When you get time, take a good look at the "Attributes of God" —particularly Aseity, Simplicity and Immanence.

*("exerting" is said, there, for lack of a better word, and as human thinking needs it. It doesn't really describe how God does what he does. God doesn't get tired. For him, "act" is not "effort". He doesn't try to do; he simply does.)
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