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  • CF has always been a site that welcomes people from different backgrounds and beliefs to participate in discussion and even debate. That is the nature of its ministry. In view of recent events emotions are running very high. We need to remind people of some basic principles in debating on this site. We need to be civil when we express differences in opinion. No personal attacks. Avoid you, your statements. Don't characterize an entire political party with comparisons to Fascism or Communism or other extreme movements that committed atrocities. CF is not the place for broad brush or blanket statements about groups and political parties. Put the broad brushes and blankets away when you come to CF, better yet, put them in the incinerator. Debate had no place for them. We need to remember that people that commit acts of violence represent themselves or a small extreme faction.

Israeli hostages released live updates: ‘Trump: The Peace President’ hats handed out during president’s address to Israel’s parliament

"Staff in Israel’s Knesset were seen handing out the caps for Trump's address, heralding a new era of peace in the region. ho received near-endless rounds of applause and standing ovations. Many also wore red ties in honor of Trump, who received near-endless rounds of applause and standing ovations."

Thank God for their release. I am sure President Trump will continue to work with countries in the region to try and bring about lasting peace.
Praise God for President Trump and this peace deal. I'm praying that this shall be a lasting peace.
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Drug cartels now rule 70% of Mexico: ‘Far from a holy nation’

'The kingdom of darkness is in this nation because our leaders are invoking deities they should not be invoking'

A Mexican lawmaker from the ruling party said that organized crime, not elected officials, controls much of the country, warning that Mexico is “far from being a holy nation.”

Speaking at a Christian conference on the topic of “Kings and Priests, or Kings or Priests, or Neither Kings nor Priests,” Hugo Eric Flores Cervantes — an Evangelical politician and deputy with the ruling MORENA Party — told a large audience that “70 percent of Mexico is governed by drug cartels.”

“Let’s not deceive ourselves — organized crime appoints mayors,” Flores said during the event held at Centro Familiar Cristiano church. “In the beginning, organized crime financed political campaigns; later, they began appointing rulers; and now, they are the rulers.”

Flores, a lawyer with a Ph.D. in legal sciences from Harvard University, described Mexico’s political order as an “inverted power pyramid” and argued that the country’s moral decay has spiritual roots. “If a spiritual government does not rise in this nation, a civil government will not rise either,” he said. “We are not seeing the fruits of Christians.”

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Letita Jamews indicted for fraud

No, it doesn't make Trump innocent. It alao doesn't make her innocent either. And she should face the same things she prosecuted him for.

If a prosecutor prosecuted someone for bank robbery, while being involved in robbing banks it doesn't mean they shouldn't be prosecuted themselves.

Its not revenge. Its called justice. Its no distraction since Trump has already been through it. Now its her turn. Justice is required since it was what she demanded.

It is revenge if A.) prosecution is demanded without regard for the paucity of evidence of guilt and B.) there is a paucity of evidence of guilt. ***it has been reported Bondi expressed to Trump the lack of evidence in Letitia’s case to merit prosecution and Trump told her no less than what he faced and he was prosecuted anyway and hence, so should Letitia.***

At some point, the evidence will be disclosed in this case, facilitating a more informed determination whether this is a revenge prosecution.

However, it is a inauspicious sign regarding the evidence when experienced prosecutors either didn’t have evidence Letitia committed a crime or insufficient evidence to merit prosecution as the evidence, being so anemic as to render perhaps very unlikely of obtaining a guilty verdict at trial.
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The Saving results of the Death of Christ !

It is a heresy and false teaching if Christ's death alone does not guarantee a saving result for them He died for ! This applies to those who also teach that Christ died in some non-redemptive way for the non elect ! That is, God had subordinate purposes to redemption, which Christs death did not ensure a saving, converting result! 5
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Not suitable for work post

I normally don't post like this. I'll try to keep it clean.

I don't understand people who think that "Mr. Bating" is the anecdote to high sax drive. I have been recommended to engage in it when I specifically tell them that all it does is make the drive and loneliness worse. It doesn't matter how it may feel in the moment; it's the notion (I'd rather say "fact") that it exacerbates the condition that causes you to do it in the first place. Does anyone empathize with me?

God Worshiper or Law Worshiper?

No, it does not. Nor does it change the unbelievers relationship to the law. For the believer, the law does not hold salvation, and for the unbeliever, it does not give them salvation.

For the unbeliever who has a form of Godliness but denies the power of it. The law is what they seek for salvation instead of receiving it as a gift from God.

For the believer salvation is found in Christ only and his righteousness produced the fruit of obedience. But it is not necessarily immediate, it is a growth process, and during that growth we are still seeing is perfect before God because of Christ fulfilling the law for us.
God's law was never given as a way of earning our salvation even as the result of having perfect obedience, but rather God graciously teaching to obey His law is the way that He is giving us His gift of salvation (Titus 2:11-13). It is contradictory to think that salvation is found in God's Word made flesh, but not in following his example of embodying God's Word. Jesus saves us from our sin (Matthew 1:21) and sin is the transgression of God's law (1 John 3:4), so Jesus graciously teaching us to be a embody it is intrinsically the way that he is giving us his gift of saving us from not embodying it, but if Jesus fulfilled the law for us, then he would be removing his of salvation from us, so thankfully he did not do that. In 1 John 2:6, those who are in Christ are obligated to walk in the same way that he walked, so only those who are following his example of walking in obedience to God's law are in Christ, which is how his righteousness produces the fruit of obedience.

Every such effort to embody the righteousness of God will fail. The only way to embody the righteousness of God is to embody God, and that is done by submitting to Him. At the point, a temptation comes into our lives we face a choice to submit to God or to go our own way. We can choose to be righteous, even though we do not have the power to do so. Once we choose, God supplies the power. Again, this is a process, not an instantaneous halo appearing above our heads.
For example, if someone gives money to charity, then they succeeding at embodying the righteousness of God, so that is not beyond our ability. In Romans 10:5-8, Paul referred to Deuteronomy 30 as the word of faith that we proclaim in regard to proclaiming that God's law is not too difficult for us to obey and that obedience to it brings life and a blessing while disobedience brings death and a curse, so choose life! So it was presented as a possibility and as a choice, not as something that we will all fail at. The way to submit to God is by obeying His commandments through faith.

In the end, God will make us much more righteous than “the law“ ever can if we choose to submit to him.
Character traits are not earned as the result of our works but other they are embodied through our works, so God's law was never given as a way to make us righteous, but as instructions for how to embody His righteousness. The only way for someone to attain a character trait is by faith apart from being required to have first done enough works in order to earn it as the result, but what it means to have a character trait is to be a doer of works that embody that trait, so while we become righteous by faith apart from works, it would be contradictory for someone to become righteous apart from becoming a doer of righteous works. What it means for God to make us righteous is for Him to make us into a doer of righteous works and the way that He does that is by graciously teaching us to be a doer of His law.
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Israel-Hamas Thread II

After 737 days, Israel can breathe again.

Amidst the chaos of nations, as the world order shifts and, sadly, many countries increasingly turn against Israel, only a few, such as Donald Trump, stand courageously and openly on the side of the Jewish state.

Especially at this time, this moment reminds us of the prophetic words from the Book of Joel:

I will also gather all nations, and will bring them down into the valley of Jehoshaphat, and will plead with them there for my people and for my heritage Israel, whom they have scattered among the nations, and parted my land. Joel 3:2

This land does not belong to people, governments, or organizations. It is G-d's land. And He has given it to His people, not for a limited time, but forever. Therefore, any attempt by the nations to weaken Israel politically, territorially, or morally is not a diplomatic process, but a spiritual conflict.

The demand for a two-state solution and the division of the land, these are not neutral decisions, but direct interventions in G-d's plan of salvation.

The prophets have announced it: He will hold the nations accountable, not out of vengeance, but to establish justice. F-r God cannot be mocked. What the world calls a “peace plan” may prove to be a “judgment” in G-d's eyes when it concerns His land.

But in the midst of it all, one promise remains: Israel will endure forever

And I will plant them upon their land, and they shall no more be pulled up out of their land which I have given them, saith the Lord thy G-d. Amos 9:15

Every time Israel seems to be surrounded by darkness, G-d kindles a new light, a sign of His faithfulness and His covenant.

A call to all Christians and concregations:

When we witness such events today, we are not neutral observers, but part of what G-d is doing on earth. We are called to stand with Israel, pray for Israel, and raise our voices where the truth is being silenced.
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Who was the president??

Trump keeps bragging that he passed "cognitive" or more correctly stated, a cognitive test. I sat with my mom when she was given the test for cognition. At 90, she breezed through it. At 95, she missed a bunch. It is an easy test if you have no cognitive impairment. It may be a slight challenge to people who stick to digital clocks as one needs to draw a clock face to be a certain time.

About the test:

The test is called the Montreal Cognitive Assessment (MoCA), and was created by the neurologist Dr Ziad Nasreddine in 1996. Talking to MarketWatch on Monday, Nasreddine stressed that the test “is supposed to be easy for someone who has no cognitive impairment”, saying that “this is not an IQ test or the level of how a person is extremely skilled or not. The test is supposed to help physicians detect early signs of Alzheimer’s.”​
There are a few different versions of the test with small variations (such as the words to remember or animals to name), but the questions are generally the same. We can’t tell for sure which version Trump took, but as he said he did it recently, I’ve taken the latest MoCA test from their website.....​

The difficulties begin

This is where things get a little concerning.​
If you remember, Trump bet Wallace that he “couldn’t even answer the last five questions” of the test. But for a mentally healthy person, the last five questions should be as simple as the rest.​
The fifth-to-last question on the test asks you to repeat a sentence out loud, before naming as many words as you can starting with F. In the following “abstraction” section, you have to spot the similarity between different objects such as trains and bicycles (modes of transport), or a watch and a ruler (measuring devices).​
Next, you have to recall the random words that were included in the earlier memory section. This may be the part that’s easiest to trip over.​
And finally, for the orientation part of the test, you have to … say what the date is.​
For Trump to claim these are hard is worrying because for any cognitively healthy person, they shouldn’t be.​

Then there is the confabulation. His story about his uncle at MIT teaching Kaczynski (the unabomber) is blatantly false. He misremembers details, has trouble pronouncing words that were not a problem before.
Then this is this:


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My mom had small strokes and Transient Ischemic Attacks (TIAs) where her face would drop on one side, or she was unable to speak words. Trump's face was okay later, but it sure looked like a TIA.
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They Believed in Jesus Christ

The Scripture where Jesus tells His disciples, followers, all who look to Him and love truth,
"My Words Are Spirit, and they are LIFE"

and " the Kingdom of Heaven does not come in things (which are) seen" ....

and more of Jesus' Own Words in the NT. (my memory is not so good at recalling the location)
all in perfect harmony with Jesus Own Answer to the Samaritan woman - the time is coming and is already here - the Father in Heaven is seeking those who serve Him in spirit and in truth (not in the mountains nor in the temple; former places of worship (in the physical world) )
Thank you for the explanation.
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There’s a Giant Flaw in Human History

@stevevw falsely accuses posters of logical fallacies and creating red herrings because like the technical aspect of his posts he doesn't know what he is talking about.

The irony is he blissfully unaware of his own logical fallacies.
Firstly there is the argument from authority fallacy where his so called experts are inviolate, making any counterarguments against them irrelevant.
Secondly is the flow on fallacy of making ad hominem attacks against any poster by claiming they are non experts by comparison and therefore their counterarguments are worthless.

On this basis Steve should be completely ignored as he probably has no credentials or qualifications to speak of.
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How do we set aside the grace of God?

I first heard of character traits from you, so why should I define them. Righteousness is to be in right standing with God. that means God does not hold anything against you. You are sinless in His eyes.

John 16:8 "And He, when He comes, will convict the world concerning sin and righteousness and judgment; 9 concerning sin, because they do not believe in Me; 10 and concerning righteousness, because I go to the Father and you no longer see Me; 11 and concerning judgment, because the ruler of this world has been judged. NASU

The Holy Spirit convicts the world of sin, righteousness and judgment. People are sinners because they do not believe in Jesus.

Romans 3:25 whom God set forth as a propitiation by His blood, through faith, to demonstrate His righteousness, because in His forbearance God had passed over the sins that were previously committed, 26 to demonstrate at the present time His righteousness, that He might be just and the justifier of the one who has faith in Jesus. NKJV

In the past, prior to Jesus' death on the cross. God did not punish anyone for their sins. He punished them for not believing that He would send a savior.

John 3:18 "He who believes in Him is not judged; he who does not believe has been judged already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. NASU

Above is what God judged people for when they died after Jesus came. Those who believe in Jesus will go to Heaven. Those who do not believe in Jesus will go to hell.
The reason why I asked you to define what it means for someone to have a character trait in general and what it means for someone to attain a character trait in general is because I want you to think about what those things mean, to understand that distinction, and understand what the Bible says about righteousness in light of this simple meaning, but you are refusing to recognize this distinction. It is easy to affirm that the way to become righteous is by believing in Jesus, but when you refuse to recognize that distinction, then it is also easy for you to misunderstand the way to believe in Jesus.
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I started to like AI now - Free will in Heaven, angels on earth

Which AI are you using @Hawkins?

I myself do not allow my custom GPTs to emulate me. They are influenced by me, but except in jest, they are not supposed to write like me. Indeed the second gen and third gen GPTs, which are the result of biomimetic reproduction, don’t sound much like me at all.
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Why is this forum so politically active?

This is probably one of the best composed, thought out, and properly worded posts that I have seen lately. Well done.

I spent 8 years here as an advisor during the earlier times of this forum. We had to learn how to balance the different views and posting abilities to run this forum as efficient and fairly as possible. Your post echoes the many discussions that we had within the advisory group and the rest of staff to decide on proper rules and moderating policies.

I’m glad you posted this. It brings back memories.
No problem. If you spend enough time observing a particular type of website and you’ve been trained to notice the patterns, eventually the website “talks” to you and you can figure out where it has been, what built the thing, and the factors behind where it is now.

For Christian Forums, I get the sense of many hands over time that built it: the hands disappeared, but the structure remains. It’s grown up and matured.

Right now the American political experiment is struggling and polarized, with disintegration a threat on the horizon that attracts attention, much like the Creation/Evolution focus of the 2010s. There’s that going on now, more pressure from the outside to discuss politics. America has been very resilient before, but the amount of Consitutional compromise on both sides is concerning, as both sides are running off the document to try to rein in the other side, and that’s threatening to bring the whole system down. The suspense is engaging, as the stakes are high.
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Conservative alternative to UMC grows to 6,000 member churches

A denomination founded as a theologically conservative alternative to the United Methodist Church has grown to include 6,000 member congregations worldwide.

The Global Methodist Church, which was launched on May 1, 2022, announced on its Facebook page last Friday that it had reached the 6,000-member church milestone.

“That's 6,000 pulpits preaching the Gospel,” stated the GMC. “6,000 altars where hearts are renewed. … 6,000 congregations worshiping in a variety of nations and languages.”

“Join us in praying for the movement as we continue to welcome existing churches and plant new ones to spread the love of Christ to our communities and beyond.”

The formation of the GMC came in response to the decades-long divisive debate over whether the UMC should amend its Book of Discipline to allow the blessing of same-sex marriages and the ordination of those in same-sex sexual relationships.

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Understanding Colossians and Ephesians and the author of ordinances that were against Jesus, Paul and the Church of God. Part 2.

Matt. 3: 7 But when he saw many of the Pharisees and Sadducees come to his baptism, he said unto them, O "generation of vipers", who hath warned you to flee from the wrath to come? 8 Bring forth therefore fruits meet for repentance: 9 And think not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham to our father: for I say unto you, that God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham.

Same world, same serpent, same "other voice". Jesus fought against the philosophies promoted by these preachers His whole life. Not because they obeyed God's Word, but because they rejected God's Word.

How many time did Jesus address the mainstream preachers of His Time? How much of HIS Teaching was geared towards exposing the hypocrisy and wickedness of the Priests of the Temple in the City of God? And they murdered Him for it.

Paul, being zealous for the commandments and traditions of men this worldly religion promoted, persecuted God's Church, just as the wicked Kings of Israel did to the Faithful, and Cain did to Abel.

Jesus and Paul battled, Not God's Judgments and Ordinances, but the commandments and judgments of men that "professed to know God".

When Jesus was asked about the end times and what to look out for, here is what HE warned about.

Matt. 24: 4 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you. (He didn't warn about God or His laws and judgments deceiving us) 5 For "many" shall come in my name, saying, I (Jesus) am Christ; and "shall deceive" many.
He didn't warn about the "commandments contained of God's Ordinances", He didn't warn about the "handwriting of ordinances of God" that was against them, HE specifically warned about being deceived by "other voices" who profess to know God, even coming in HIS Name”.
Paul fought against these mainstream religions of the world God placed him in, every day after his conversion. Their philosophy, their ordinances and laws, were against him and against the church of God, just as they had been since the very first "other voice" who professed to God, deceived Eve. He didn't fight against God's Law, He fought against the principalities and powers of darkness. It was the Pharisees Law that condemned Jesus and Stephen to death. Just as it was their fathers law that condemned the prophets God sent to them, just as it was Eves Law that instructed her to eat, what God said not to eat.

But in many sermons on Colossians and Ephesians, promoted by the preachers of this world God placed me in, all of this is ignored, not even considered in the "context" of their teaching.
Because of the omission of these extremely important Biblical Truths, this world's religions have always united in their teaching that God's Judgments and Feasts and commandments are "against men". As a result they incorrectly identify the author of the "Handwriting of Ordinances" that Paul said was against Jesus, Paul and the Body of Christ, claiming it was God, when it wasn't, in Colossians. And they do the same in Ephesians, preaching that it was “God’s” Ordinances and Judgments" that relegated Faithful Gentiles as “without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:

Anyone who is willing to study God’s Word, knows this is not true. God very Law gave hope and an avenue to Him for "ALL" people, we can tread this for ourselves.

Lev. 19: 33 And if a stranger sojourn with thee in your land, ye shall not vex him. 34 But "the stranger" that dwelleth with you "shall be unto you" as one born among you, and thou shalt love him as thyself; for ye were strangers in the land of Egypt: I am the LORD your God.


This world's religions do the same When Peter says in acts 15, "why tempt you God to place a Yoke on the necks of the disciples that they or their fathers couldn't bear". The promoters of this world's religions teach this “Yoke” is God's Laws that they claim, and have always claimed "were against them".

But Jesus Himself tells us who created this Yoke.

Matt. 23: 4 For they (Pharisees, not God) bind heavy burdens and grievous to be borne, and "lay them on men's shoulders"; but they themselves will not move them with one of their fingers. Of course Peter knew this because he was there when Jesus taught it, and he knew of the Shepherds who lead God people astray "by the precepts of men", spoken of by the Holy Prophets.
I could go on and on. Jesus said men are to live by "Every Word" of God, and I believe Him. But “MANY” have been convinced by the "other voice" that some of God's Word are against them and contrary to them and therefore men shouldn't live by them. Exactly the same message given to Eve in the very beginning. Paul warns about this very thing, from turning away from the Simplicity of Christ. “Live by God’s Words”, not "other voices".

Paul warns of this very thing also in Colossians and Ephesians.

Col. 2: 8 Beware lest "any man" spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition “of men”, after the rudiments “of the world”, and not after Christ. (The Rock that followed, Fed and Watered Israel)

Eph. 2: 1 And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins; 2 Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course “of this world”, according to the "prince of the power of the air", “the spirit” that now worketh “in the children of disobedience”:

But somehow in spite of all this teaching, we are preached to by "many", who call Jesus Lord, Lord, that it wasn't the Traditions, philosophies and ordinances of men that was against Paul and the Church of God, it was the Ordinances of God.

It is my hope that anyone reading this will “do the Study themselves”, in Faith that God is Perfect, and it is philosophies of the "other voices" in the World that God placed us in, that was against Jesus, Paul and the Church of God, and is against the Faithful even to this day. And that Jesus didn't "live by" the Commandments of men they taught for doctrines. And even though they killed Him, the very God they Professed to know, raised Him from the dead. Truly HE triumphed over the prince of this world whose ordinances condemned Him to death.

And for that I say, "Amen".

Please don't hesitate to ask questions or PM me to engage in honest discussions about these things.

Understanding Colossians and Ephesians and the author of ordinances that were against Jesus, Paul and the Church of God.

It seems prudent to point out some undeniable Biblical truths that many preachers, whose sermons and I have read and heard for most of my 66 years of life, refuse to consider, concerning Colossians and Ephesians. There is nothing wrong in pointing these things out in the hope of having a discussion about them. And there is no shame in learning something that was heretofore not considered or known. I am not promoting myself here, I am a nobody. Nevertheless, the following "context" is missing from popular religious philosophies promoted by “Many who come in Christ’s Name”, as Jesus Himself warned, and I thought it the right thing, according to the teaching of the Jesus of the bible, to point some of these things out for the edification the brethren. My hope is that some might do the study of the Holy Scriptures themselves, which Paul said were trustworthy "for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works."


One very popular religious philosophy being promoted by the religions of this world that God placed me in, that I’m addressing here concerning Colossians and Ephesians, is the origin of the “ordinances” promoted by the “Jews Religion” that Paul is saying were “Against Jesus, Paul and the Body of Christ. The popular religious philosophy I am challenging here, is that these were “God’s Ordinances”, that “GOD” was the author of the ordinances that were against Jesus, Paul and the Church of God. That “THEY” were the “principality and powers” that Jesus Spoiled, made a show of, and Triumphed over on the Cross, and that because God’s Ordinances were against Jesus, Paul and the Church of God, Jesus came to "nail them to the cross".

I don’t believe this was Paul’s teaching at all, based on what the Bible actually says when all of it is considered, and this study of the Scriptures is the reason why. The entire “City of David” was under the rule of religious men who professed to know God, but were teaching for doctrines the Commandment of Men, not God. And it was their ordinances that condemned Jesus to death, as they themselves said, “We have a LAW, and by OUR Law HE must die”. Their Law also condemned the Prophets and Stephen to death, and by their Law “the Church of God” was persecuted. Not because I say so, but because Paul said so.

Phil. 3: 5 Circumcised the eighth day, of the stock of Israel, of the tribe of Benjamin, an Hebrew of the Hebrews; as touching the law, "a Pharisee";

6 Concerning zeal, persecuting the church; touching the righteousness which is in the law, (Pharisees Law) blameless.

Whose righteousness did the Pharisees, “Jews Religion” live by according to Paul's Own Teaching? According to “many” who come in Christ’s Name, they were trying to earn salvation by obeying God’s Law.

But when Paul words are considered, here is what he actually said.

Rom. 10: 1 Brethren, my heart's desire and prayer to God for Israel is, that they might be saved.

2 For I bear them record that they have a zeal of God, but not according to knowledge.

3 For they being ignorant” "of God's righteousness", and going about to establish their own” righteousness,have not submitted themselvesunto the righteousness “of God”.


I found that this is a very touchy subject for some of have been convinced of who promote the ancient philosophy that God's Ordinances are against men, but please believe me when I say I don’t post this study to offend anyone. Only that folks might consider what is actually written and do the study for themselves, and thereby “Proving" what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God, and escape the deception God has warned us of so many times.

So in the spirit of God’s Love and the search of God’s Righteousness, please consider the following.

From the very beginning of the Holy Scriptures, which I believe to be a very important part of the Armor of God that HE told us through Paul, to "put on", God has placed His creation into a world in which God's Word exists, and which also exists, the voice of another, who is not God. But is a voice "Contrary to God", and "Against God". The entire purpose of these two voices, in my understanding, is, according to God’s Word, to prove men, “whether they will walk in my law, or no.”.

Spiritually speaking every person who partakes of the Passover, is brought into this worlderness.

Deut. 8: 2 And thou shalt remember all the way which the LORD thy God led thee these forty years in the wilderness, to humble thee, and to prove thee, to know what was in thine heart, whether thou wouldest keep his commandments, or no.3 And he humbled thee, and suffered thee to hunger, and fed thee with manna, which thou knewest not, neither did thy fathers know; that he might make thee know that man doth not live by bread only, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of the LORD doth man live.

From the very beginning God placed His People in a world where “other voices” exist, who are contrary to God. The very first deception, shown to us by God for our admonition, is a teaching that promotes the philosophy that God’s Laws are against mankind. That God’s instruction cannot be trusted.

Gen. 3: 4 And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die: 5 For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, (Reject God’s Word) then your eyes shall be opened, and (Then) ye shall be as gods, “knowing” good and evil.


As you can see, this “other voice” is teaching that as long as Eve submits to God’s Ordinances and commandments, she will remain “Blind and ignorant”.

And how it does this, according to the very first recorded deception, is to "profess to know God", and even quote "Some" of God's Word in its goal to deceive the whole world into believing that it is God’s instruction in righteousness, that was against mankind.
We can see the influence of this "other voice" from the very beginning. Cain, the world God placed Noah in, the world at Abraham's Time. All these men, like Sodom, knew of God and His Word, but were seduced into believing “another voice”. Israel's children were even seduced by the other voices in the world God placed them in, and God sent them Moses to reinstate the Judgments, Commandments Statutes and Laws Abraham was given, and obeyed for his good and the good of those around him.

In each case, there were "other voices" who also professed to know God, but refused to accept what HE instructed so they could overcome in this world.
Caleb was threatened by the masses who succumbed to this "other voice". But he had a different "spirit" in him and was not persuaded by the "other voices". God sent Prophets who warned over and over and over and over about false teachers, men who preached to them, that HE didn't send. Religious men who preach, as the Prophet teaches, "they say unto every one that walketh after the imagination of his own heart, No evil shall come upon you". The exact same message of the serpent to Eve. Isaiah warned about this world’s preachers, who taught the "precepts of men".

Is. 29: 13 Wherefore the Lord said, Forasmuch as this people draw near me with their mouth, and with their lips do honour me, but have removed their heart far from me, and their fear toward me is taught by the precept of men:


An entire world deceived by the "Other voice" who professes to know God, according to the Holy scriptures.

But there was a New Priest prophesied, "after a different order". A Priest that was to be incorruptible. A Prophet like Moses, who God would give His Words to. The Faithful believers and examples of Faith in the OT waited for this savior in obedience to God, and were tortured and killed for it, by men who "professed to know God".

The very last book in the Holy Scriptures, available to me is Malachi. And he was still furthering this truth of the world we were placed in. Explaining how even the temporary Priesthood Covenant God made with Levi, to convince men to trust God and adopt "HIS" instruction, became corrupted by listening to this “other voice”.

Mal. 2: 4 And ye shall know that I have sent this commandment unto you, that my covenant might be with Levi, saith the LORD of hosts.

5 My covenant was with him of life and peace; and I gave them to him for the fear wherewith he feared me, and was afraid before my name. (Ex. 32:26) 6 The law of truth was in his mouth, and iniquity was not found in his lips: he walked with me in peace and equity, and did "turn many away from iniquity". 7 For the priest's lips should keep knowledge, and they should seek the law at his mouth: for he is the messenger of the LORD of hosts. 8 But ye are departed out of the way; ye have caused many to stumble at the law; ye have corrupted the covenant of Levi, (finding fault with them) saith the LORD of hosts. 9 Therefore have I also made you contemptible and base before all the people, according as ye have not kept "my ways", but have been partial in the law.

The Last message I received from God though His Prophets before this High Priest of God came was;

Mal. 4: 4 Remember ye the law of Moses my servant, which I commanded unto him in Horeb for all Israel, with the statutes and judgments. 5 Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the LORD: 6 And he shall turn the heart of the fathers to the children, and the heart of the children to their fathers, lest I come and smite the earth with a curse.

What many are not taught to consider in this world God placed us in, is that John the Baptist and Jesus were placed in the same world. And the same world surrounding them was deceived by the same “other voice” that professed to know God, even quoting “some” of God’s Word, convincing them as it did Eve, that God's Laws were against them.

I will finish the study in part 2.

Whose groceries are more Expensive?

The difference between inflation that occurred under the Biden admin and what's starting to hit home with the Trump admin, is it was nothing Biden actually did. It was post covid supply chain induced inflation experienced by the whole wide world;

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Inflation under Biden fell faster than any other G-8 nation.
What is happening under Trump is what Trump has enacted all by himself. The comparison is not the same at all.
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