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narnia59 · 2025-12-11T14:59:44-0600

timothyu said:
They were made that way and flesh won out over spirit where they put their Will first

I don't disagree with that.

The question I guess is, are they only a bad example? Or did their decision impact the nature of their progeny, so that our will is wounded making it impossible for us to not put our will first without divine assistance?

SabbathBlessings · 2025-12-11T14:57:48-0600

CLEEB said:
The covenant of the Ten Commandments was only made with the Israelites. Moses plainly said, Deuteronomy 5:3 , Jeremiah 31:32 “those led out of Egypt by Moses” Romans 9:4 “the giving of the law”
Psalm 47:19-20 “GOD did this WITH NO OTHER NATION“ Moses gave the law, if the law was given by Moses the it was unknown previously. John 1:17 Romans 5:13 since the Ten Commandments were unknown before Moses the sin of breaking them could not be on anyone’s account when there was no law as yet to condemn them. Galatians 3:19 the law was added until the arrival of the promised seed , Christ, it was administered through angels by the mediator Moses. Acts 7:53 Hebrews 2:2 The was given 430 years after Abraham, Galatians 3:17 To someone who is intent on keeping the Ten Commandments all these facts will mean nothing.

According to God, the Sabbath started at Creation Exo20:11, where there was no Moses, no Jew, just man and God. Why the Sabbath was made for mankind Mark2:27 not "Jew". And if you think it took 430 years for God to tell one person not to worship other gods or murder our neighbor is not reading our Bibles because He condemned people for doing this way before Mt Sinai and said it was sin- where there is no law there is no sin Rom4:15 and only God can define the law that is sin when we break and He does 1John3:4 Rom7:7 James2:11 Mat5:19-30. The law that was added because of sin until the Seed cannot be the same law that describes what sin is. Obviously two different laws.

You are confusing the covenant (agreement) with the Law of God that only God can define what they are and He did plainly Exo20:6 Exo20:1-17 Exo31:18 why each one of these commandments on how to love God has God's name in it, not Moses, or anyone else because only God can tell us how we are to love and serve Him and how to love our neighbor Exo20:6 John14:15 1 John5:2-3 not based on mans "feelings" of what is right or wrong, but on God's everlasting righteousness (right and wrong) Psa 119:172 Isa56:1-2 Psa119:141 because again, we are not God, but are just supposed to serve Him Isa56:6

Always in His Presence · 2025-12-11T14:56:31-0600

Michie said:
Editors’ note: The Christian Post Opinion Page has published two countering views on Calvinism. To read the opposing view in the piece titled “Which comes first in salvation order: Faith or regeneration?” click here.

Want to know a secret? If you’re a Christian, you were saved before you knew you were.

Now, I’ll bet that the vast majority of you reading this think that you made a personal decision — all on your lonesome — to receive Christ, and once done, you were a child of God in the faith. John Chipman believes this, as evidenced by his article, “Which comes first in salvation order: Faith or regeneration?”

He says, “Faith precedes regeneration. Always. For everyone.”

Many think that the reverse is heresy and short-circuited. Still, I’m going to ask you to give me a few moments to make a case for the position of regeneration (the Spirit’s supernatural work of giving spiritual life to us, transforming the heart, and enabling faith, so that we become a new creation in Christ), preceding faith. I used to believe the reverse in my earlier Christian walk, but am now convinced that we can’t make that move of commitment towards God until He enables us to do it.

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Want to know a secret? You’re saved before you know it

Want to know a secret If you re a Christian, you were saved before you knew you were

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Want to know the truth - the writer is wrong.

The Liturgist · 2025-12-11T14:55:49-0600

Hindu persecution of Christians in India has been steadily increasing since the BJP came to power. St. Thomas, pray for us! St. Stephen the Illustrious Protomartyr, pray for us! St. James the Great and St. James the Just, pray for us! St. George the Great Martyr, pray for us! Through the intercessions of the Theotokos, save O Lord Thy flock in India.

prodromos · 2025-12-11T14:49:13-0600

Jerry N. said:
Why?

I'm guessing they expect the propellant exhaust to be visible.

essentialsaltes · 2025-12-11T14:45:21-0600

On Tuesday, a Utah court ordered John Banuelos held in jail until a January hearing. Banuelos was charged with kidnapping and sexual assault in November after DNA collected during the Jan. 6 prosecutions was matched with a cold case in Utah.

Dan Perez · 2025-12-11T14:38:16-0600

d taylor said:
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Most assuredly, I say to you, he who believes in Me has everlasting life.

# 1 THAT //. HOTI. is a CONJUNCATION

# 2 IF. // EAN. is a CONDISITIONAL. PARTICLE

# 3 THOU SHALL CONFESS //. HOMOLOGEP. in v the AORIST TENSE in. the ACTIVE VOICE SUBJUNCTIVE in. the SINGULAR

# 4 WITH. ///. is a PREPOSITION

# 5 THY. /// SOU. is a PERSONAL POSSESSIVE PRONOUN. in. the GENITE CASE in the SINGULAR

# 6. MOUTH /// STOMA. in. the DATIVE CASE in the SINGULAR in. the NEUTER.

# 7. THE LORD ///. KYNOS. in. the ACCUSATIVE CASE in. the SINGULAR

# 8 JESUS ///. in. the ACCUSATIVE CASE in. the SINGULAR

# 9 AND. /// is a CONJUNCATION

# 10. SHALL BELIEVE. /// PISTEUO. in. the AORIST TENSE in. the ACTIVE VOICE is a SUBJUNCTIVE in. the SINGULAR

# 11. IN ///. iOS a PREPOSITION

# 12. THINE /// SOU is a PERSONAL POSSESSIVE PRONOUN in. the in. the GENITIVE CASE in. the SINGULAR

# 13 HEART /// KARDIA. in. the DATIVE CASE in. the SINGULAR

# 14 THAT ///. HOTI is a CONJUNCATION

# 15 GOD /// THEOS in. the NOMINATIVE CASE in. the SINGULAR

# 16 HATH. RAISED. ///. EGEIRO. in. the AORIST TENSE in. the ACTIVE VOICE in. the INDICATIVE MOOD in. the SINGULAR

# 17 HIM /// is a PERSONAL POSSESSETIVE PRONOUN in. the ACCUSATIVE TENSE in. the SINGULAR

# 18 FROM //. EK. is a PREPOSTION

# 19. THE DEAD /// NEKROS. in. the GENITIVE CASE in. the PLURAL

# 20 THOU SHALL BE SAVED //. SOZO. in. the FUTURE TENSE. in. the PASSIVE VOICE in. the INDICATIVE MOOD

and. that mood means you. BETTER BELIEVE IT. in. the SINGULAR

And all these tenses can. be GOOGLED

AND YOUR LAST. REPLY. is good and I BELIEVE it BUT. all the BIBLE is FOR all. but nor ALL TOO US

And ONLY Paul says HOW all can show how to be saved Eph. 2 : 8 and 9 as we ARE NOT UNDER THE LAW

BUT UNDER GRACE and what I wrote is UNDENYABLE. and Paul only wrote 14 espistles. AND did not write

the ESPISTLE of JOHN

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essentialsaltes · 2025-12-11T14:36:37-0600

essentialsaltes said:
Ignoring evidence, Kristi Noem says no citizens have been detained by immigration agents
Noem’s comments might’ve appeared encouraging to those who don’t know better, but there’s ample evidence to suggest she was lying.

Here's a new version from her hearing today. per atrupar

MAGAZINER (RI): How many veterans have you deported?
NOEM: We haven't deported veterans
MAGAZINER: We are now joined on Zoom by a combat veteran you deported to Korea

The Barbarian · 2025-12-11T14:06:43-0600

It's just another example of Trump hiding embarrassing/incriminating evidence from Americans. Nothing new here.

durangodawood · 2025-12-11T14:05:40-0600

ThatRobGuy said:
For certain technologies, that can be true.

Although, even for those, we still have people in the legislature who are in their 60's, and will likely stick around another 15-20 years if they had their way. And they're likely behind that curve.

AI appears to be a different beast in terms of how quickly things go from "new to obsolete".

Being in the field, I go to the major conferences every year, stay on top of changes and new releases as much as one can, etc...

The features/toolsets change very rapidly.

AI-based tools - and the knowledge required to use them proficiently - have changed more in the last 2 years (and will change more in the next year), than Microsoft's Visual Studio offering (an IDE for programming for those who don't know) has changed in the last 10-15 years.

A person who was familiar with building solutions using Visual Studio 2012 (and haven't touched it since) wouldn't have that drastic of a learning curve if they cracked open VS 2022 and started tinkering around with it, there would be a lot that felt familiar. The same will certainly not be true for the various AI toolsets out there.

Thats insider stuff. Time in a dev environment or similar should not be a pre req to effective representation. That would be like expecting all congress people to be medical doctors if they are going to deal with health care matters.

We just need people who can A. relate to what the typical contemporary consumer is going through. and B. are educatable and responsive to ever changing tech and its consequences. I do get that many in congress dont cant satisfy either of those. But age will be increasingly less an indicator. The generations who do seem have a mental block re tech are naturally receding.

Revelation Lad · 2025-12-11T14:03:30-0600

Using the Bible to date the earth results in an age of 5,786, meaning 5,786 years ago God created the heavens and the earth.

It is reasonable to consider, if this method is accurate, what evidence, besides the Bible, has God provided? IOW, an all-knowing God knows the Word of God will eventually be challenged as untruthful by those who use physical evidence from God's creation to disprove the Word of God.

Carbon-14 occurs naturally. It is a result of creation. The half life of Carbon-14 is 5,730 years. Therefore, if the world is around 5,786 years old, I would expect every fossil to have some amount of Carbon-14. In addition, since Carbon-14 as a result of how the sun affects the earth, I would expect the oldest fossils to have the smallest amount of Carbon-14 (because they lived and died during a time when the amount of Carbon-14 in the environment was low).

The fossil record is exactly as expected.

The Bible is not a scientific textbook, but the Bible does make statements science can test. It's a matter of choice as to how one interprets the data of Carbon-14 found in fossils. What is not up for interpretation is the physical make up and behavior of Carbon. Physical life on earth is Carbon-based. Carbon is the 6th element on the periodic table. It is composed of 6 neutrons and 6 protons and 6 electrons. The atomic number is 12. Carbon-14 behaves like Carbon-12 but its make up of 6 protons and 8 neutrons is unstable. It will decay naturally; that is, of its own accord.

Eternal life comes from the Jews. At the time Jesus came to the created world, because Jacob adopted Joseph's two sons, the original 12 tribes could be named by choosing from a list of 14 names. The Book of Revelation reveals the list will revert back to 12 names. To borrow a term from science, a list of 14 names is unstable.

Since the Bible's explanation of physical life and eternal life agrees with the properties God created Carbon to have, I see that as objective evidence the Bible is correct. I would add the caveat that exactly 5,786 years could be slightly off. I prefer to say about 6,000 years.

Michie · 2025-12-11T13:53:19-0600

A Virginia church is rallying behind two Iranian sisters active in the congregation who were recently detained by immigration enforcement officials in the U.S. Virgin Islands while traveling after Thanksgiving.

The U.S. Border Patrol Ramey Sector posted on its Facebook account last week that agents "encountered two illegal aliens from Iran" in St. Thomas, U.S. Virgin Islands.

Ramey Sector agents responded and assumed custody of the individuals. Both subjects are being processed for removal proceedings," stated the Puerto Rico-based Ramey Sector.

"[U.S. Customs and Border Protection] in Puerto Rico and in the U.S. Virgin Islands remains committed to securing our borders and safeguarding our communities."

According to a CBP statement last week, "CBP officers were conducting outbound operations at the Cyril E. King Airport when they encountered two Iranian national women who were determined to be illegally present in the U.S."

"No fun in the sun when you are unlawfully present," CBP stated. "In coordination with US Border Patrol Ramey Sector agents, the two women were arrested and transported to be processed for removal."

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Virginia church rallies behind Iranian sisters detained by immigration enforcement

A Virginia church is rallying behind two Iranian sisters active in the congregation who were recently detained by immigration enforcement officials in the U S Virgin Islands while traveling after

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Michie · 2025-12-11T13:49:01-0600

Indiana University star quarterback Fernando Mendoza, who is among the favorites for this year's Heisman Trophy and was named Associated Press Player of the Year on Thursday, gave God the glory after the Hoosiers earned a spot in the College Football Playoff.

"I want to give all the glory to God," the redshirt junior said in an interview with FOX Sports after the Hoosiers won the Big Ten Championship Saturday with a victory over No. 2-ranked Ohio State University.

“We were never supposed to be in this position," Mendoza insisted, as the Big 10 also includes powerhouse programs like Ohio State, Michigan and Oregon.

"But by the glory of God, the great coaches, great teammates, everybody we have around us, we were able to pull this off."

As the interview concluded, Mendoza turned to the camera and said, "God bless, go Hoosiers!"

Mendoza has consistently used his platform to share his Catholic faith.

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Indiana QB, Heisman finalist Fernando Mendoza gives 'all the glory to God' after Big Ten championship

Indiana University star quarterback Fernando Mendoza, who is among the favorites for this year s Heisman Trophy and was named Associated Press Player of the Year on Thursday, gave God the glory after

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timothyu · 2025-12-11T13:44:13-0600

Love how man loves to blame an outside force to avoid taking responsibility for their own selfishness

RainySunflower · 2025-12-11T13:41:13-0600

Well, the guy has a point, it's just, instead of boat, he should build space rocket. ^^

GoldenBoy89 · 2025-12-11T13:38:04-0600

Aryeh Jay said:
He should have just stayed in the band.

If only he’d remember some of his songs.

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Feed the babies
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Shoe the children
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House the people
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Michie · 2025-12-11T13:17:32-0600

At least 41% of G-rated series and 41% of TV-Y7-rated series on Netflix feature LGBT content, including trans-identifying characters and same-sex couples, according to a new study.

The new report, "LGBTQ Messaging Pervasive In Netflix Children's Programming," compiles references to LGBT-related messages and storylines across 326 Netflix shows aimed at children.

The study, released by the Washington-based Christian conservative advocacy group Concerned Women for America, analyzed licensed and original shows on the streaming platform, with ratings ranging from TV-G, TV-Y or TV-Y7.

The study, released by the Washington-based Christian conservative advocacy group Concerned Women for America, analyzed licensed and original shows on the streaming platform, with ratings ranging from TV-G, TV-Y or TV-Y7.

"Netflix's anti-child, anti-family agenda has finally been exposed — its children's programming has been infiltrated by adult preoccupations with sexual preferences and gender identity," CWA President and CEO Penny Nance said in a statement shared with The Christian Post.

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Netflix's promotion of LGBT themes, sexual preferences in kids' shows 'pervasive': report

At least 41 of G-rated series and 41 of TV-Y7-rated series on Netflix feature LGBT content, including trans-identifying characters and same-sex couples, according to a new study

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RainySunflower · 2025-12-11T13:11:17-0600

" Exclusive: Man builds Noah’s Ark saying God will destroy the world in December "

Matthew 24:5 -> Aged like best French wine.

I told you , we just don't have ~ 115 years left.

Michie · 2025-12-11T13:07:29-0600

Diversity, Equity and Inclusion has become a “primary vehicle” for antisemitism in American academia, according to a watchdog group that released a report finding 58% of Jewish students reported experiencing antisemitism on campus, yet only 12% felt the incidents were properly investigated.

StopAntisemitism, a watchdog group dedicated to documenting violent incidents and hostile acts against Jews, evaluated 90 academic institutions as part of its “2025 Antisemitism on U.S. College & University Campuses” report.

”Even since the recent Gaza ceasefire agreement, antisemitism remains loud, bold, and unchecked, revealing that none of this is about Israel but instead it is about Jew-hatred, plain and simple," the report declared. "Coordinated protests, ideological harassment, and institutional apathy continue to endanger Jewish students."

According to a nationwide survey of Jewish students enrolled at these schools, 39% hid their Jewish identity, and 62% said they were directly blamed for Israel’s actions. Sixty-five percent of Jewish students reported that they felt unwelcome in certain spaces on campus, and 39% felt DEI initiatives included Jews.
“These findings confirm the harsh reality that Jewish students are being marginalized in institutions that claim to champion diversity and inclusion but instead amplify division and exclusion,” the report stated. “Their safety and dignity are treated as negotiable and often dismissed entirely.”

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DEI is 'primary vehicle' for antisemitism, watchdog group warns

DEI has become a primary vehicle for antisemitism in American academia, according to a watchdog group that released a report finding 58 of Jewish students reported experiencing antisemitism on

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RileyG · 2025-12-11T13:04:28-0600

wing2000 said:
The teachings of Jesus have political implications. I don't fault a church for speaking truth to power.

Yes, but I still find this nativity scene to be inappropriate. My opinion only.

YeshuaFan · 2025-12-11T12:57:11-0600

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Unqualified said:
yeah I use load data from that cartridge.

at seems to be loaded doen, as the Swede when handloaded in modern rifles pretty much same as the Creedmore

Aryeh Jay · 2025-12-11T12:56:21-0600

BCP1928 said:
Every school where? My personal experience of public school dates back to 1948 and includes attending it, teaching in it and having children in it in five different states. I have never encountered prayer or Bible study in any public school.

In 1981, Russelville Alabama, 5th grade, College Avenue Elementary. A prayer every day over the intercom at 8:15.
This was my indoctrination to Alabama. Didn't see it in any other school before or since.

BPPLEE · 2025-12-11T12:50:43-0600

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DaisyDay said:
I don't think that's a good excuse to rough up this guy.

agree

Belk · 2025-12-11T12:48:30-0600

Say it aint so said:
What's that leopards eating my face line again?

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bling · 2025-12-11T12:43:20-0600

Dave... said:
Hey bling

I'm not sure what your point of contention is here. Elaborate on it if you have one. Right now I'm only guessing. Yes, all those verses say water baptism. Do you agree that Jesus did and still does baptize with the Holy Spirit in response to a genuine faith, which "places us" in Him, a spiritual "immersion" that makes us one with Him, the Body, the true Church? You'll notice that anything that I wrote that is between "quotation marks" are used in place of the word baptism, because they mean the same thing. Example....

This takes some explanation.

I see in scripture several different “portions” of the Holy Spirit. John talks about Jesus coming

Matthew 3:11 “I baptize you with water for repentance. But after me comes one who is more powerful than I, whose sandals I am not worthy to carry. He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and fire.

Baptism of fire is what?

Luke 12: 49 “I have come to bring fire on the earth, and how I wish it were already kindled! 50 But I have a baptism to undergo, and what constraint I am under until it is completed!

“Baptism of fire” seems to refer to the severe persecution which lots of Christians get to endure, but not every individual Christians will go through a baptism of fire, so will all Christians go through a baptism of the Holy Spirit John is referring to?

Numbers 11: 17 I will come down and speak with you there, and I will take some of the power of the Spirit that is on you and put it on them. They will share the burden of the people with you so that you will not have to carry it alone.

There are tons of scripture referring to the Holy Spirit, like in Numbers 11 the Spirit can be portioned out.

John 20: 21 Again Jesus said, “Peace be with you! As the Father has sent me, I am sending you.” 22 And with that he breathed on them and said, “Receive the Holy Spirit. 23 If you forgive anyone’s sins, their sins are forgiven; if you do not forgive them, they are not forgiven.”

John 14:17 the Spirit of truth. The world cannot accept him, because it neither sees him nor knows him. But you know him, for he lives with you and will be in you.

John 7:39 By this he meant the Spirit, whom those who believed in him were later to receive. Up to that time the Spirit had not been given, since Jesus had not yet been glorified.

Jesus could breathe on the disciples and they received some portion of the Spirit, but the indwelling portion which is always with them (yet can be quenched) had not yet come.

Acts 8: 14 When the apostles in Jerusalem heard that Samaria had accepted the word of God, they sent Peter and John to Samaria. 15 When they arrived, they prayed for the new believers there that they might receive the Holy Spirit, 16 because the Holy Spirit had not yet come on any of them; they had simply been baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus. 17 Then Peter and John placed their hands on them, and they received the Holy Spirit. 18 When Simon saw that the Spirit was given at the laying on of the apostles’ hands, he offered them money 19 and said, “Give me also this ability so that everyone on whom I lay my hands may receive the Holy Spirit.”

Acts 8 seems to be saying the Samaritans were immersed water baptized, but had not received the outwardly visible miraculous powers of the Spirit until the Apostles laid hands on them, so water baptism was around separate from Holy Spirit baptism. This is also seen in Acts 19: 4 Paul said, “John’s baptism was a baptism of repentance. He told the people to believe in the one coming after him, that is, in Jesus.” 5 On hearing this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus. 6 When Paul placed his hands on them, the Holy Spirit came on them, and they spoke in tongues and prophesied. 7 There were about twelve men in all.

Acts 19:6 is not a continuation of Acts 19:5 with some translators putting an period or a conjunction between them showing separation. Acts 19:6 is no a description of the baptism, but you might want further study on this.

Acts 10: 44 While Peter was still speaking these words, the Holy Spirit came on all who heard the message. 45 The circumcised believers who had come with Peter were astonished that the gift of the Holy Spirit had been poured out even on Gentiles. 46 For they heard them speaking in tongues and praising God. Then Peter said, 47 “Surely no one can stand in the way of their being baptized with water. They have received the Holy Spirit just as we have.” 48 So he ordered that they be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ. Then they asked Peter to stay with them for a few days.

Acts 11: 15 “As I began to speak, the Holy Spirit came on them as he had come on us at the beginning. 16 Then I remembered what the Lord had said: ‘John baptized with water, but you will be baptized with the Holy Spirit.’ 17 So if God gave them the same gift he gave us who believed in the Lord Jesus Christ, who was I to think that I could stand in God’s way?”

Peter is water Baptizing and the Spirit seems to be Spiritually baptizing these gentiles first. Notice Peter has to go back to Pentecost to get a similar “Baptism of the Spirit” example so it was not regularly happening.

A book could be written on Christian water baptism and the Holy Spirit baptism, which seem to be two different actions.

Dave... said:

1 Corinthians 12:13 For by one Spirit we were all baptized into one body--whether Jews or Greeks, whether slaves or free--and have all been made to drink into one Spirit.

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Christian water baptism included the Spirit as Paul points out in Acts 19: 1-7. As shown in Acts 8 there was definitely Christian water baptism and only with the apostles laying on of their hands was Holy Spirit baptism given.

Dave... said:

My translation: For by one Spirit we were all "placed into" into one body--whether Jews or Greeks, whether slaves or free--and have all been made to drink into one Spirit.

another....

Matthew 3:11 I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance, but He who is coming after me is mightier than I, whose sandals I am not worthy to carry. He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and fire.

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Not everyone receives a baptism of fire or the Holy Spirit, but all true believers do receive the much more important indwelling Holy Spirit.

Are you seeing obvious miraculous Holy Spirit miracles being performed today that can be scientifically verified (something the Baptism of the Holy Spirit produced in the first century)?

Dave... said:

My interpretation: I indeed "immerse" you with water unto repentance, but He who is coming after me is mightier than I, whose sandals I am not worthy to carry. He will "immerse" you with the Holy Spirit and fire.

Sorry, it sounded to me like you're playing both sides of the fence. So many today are wrongly taught that water baptism is what initiates the Spiritual baptism. If you're being water baptized, you already have faith, and are already spiritually baptized by Jesus with the Holy Spirit before you hit that water. Agree?

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I do not limit God/Spirit’s actions, so when a person obtains the power of the indwelling portion of the Holy Spirit is up to Deity and does not have to precede water baptism.

Dave... said:

Sorry bling, I disagree. I believe that the water represents God's judgment. That's what the flood was. "In Christ", our Arc, we are protected from that Judgment just like Noah and family were. It's a perfect picture of our Spirit baptism. Not the removal of filth from the flesh is just like saying not water baptism. Just so there was no misunderstanding.

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Where the Samaritans in Acts 8, Christian water baptized without being given any miraculous Holy Spirit powers?

Dave... said:

Hey bling, the circumcision's comment was just a point of possible interest that I threw in there.

OT water baptism was simply identifying with a persons teachings publicly. That's all it is. A public testimony. That idea carried over to the NT. It pictured outwardly what had already happened inwardly as a result of faith. It identified us with Christ Jesus publicly. Some were baptized only into the name of Jesus because the Holy Spirit and the Father were already understood to be a part of them. The point of contention with the public testimony of these OT believers would have been the name Jesus. Others, found it better to publicly identify with the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit, since they were never believers in the OT.

OT believers were baptized into the name of the teacher they were under. Remember Paul confronting the Corinthians for arguing about being baptized by Paul or Apollos? It all came from that. The one true baptism is the one BY Jesus with the Holy Spirit. It's a spiritual baptism initiated by faith. Water baptism comes after that fact as a public testimony. Paul even finished by saying that "Christ did not send me to baptize, but to preach the gospel". That would be a very, very odd thing to say if water baptism had anything to do with anything beyond a public testimony.

1 Corinthians 1:12-17 Now I say this, that each of you says, "I am of Paul," or "I am of Apollos," or "I am of Cephas," or "I am of Christ." Is Christ divided? Was Paul crucified for you? Or were you baptized in the name of Paul? I thank God that I baptized none of you except Crispus and Gaius, lest anyone should say that I had baptized in my own name. Yes, I also baptized the household of Stephanas. Besides, I do not know whether I baptized any other. For Christ did not send me to baptize, but to preach the gospel, not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of no effect.

bling, I've seen this with Catholicism before, they are not really doing what they are doing, and not really saying what they are saying. You're language just sounded very familiar to the kind of language that they so often use, hence the "playing both sides of the fence" comment. Sorry if I misunderstood.

Dave

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David, you are misunderstanding.

Paul did not want the people he converted and/or physically baptized by him, to boastfully say “I am a Paul follower.”

Paul did not want to physically baptize anyone for the same reasons Jesus did not baptize others.

Was Jesus physically water baptized as an example for us?

Jesus commands His disciples: “19 Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit”. We are to baptize them, but if the Holy Spirit is actually baptizing them, how can we follow that command?

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