Guojing said:

You must provide the scripture which states that believing gentiles are the seed of Jacob.

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Israel is the spiritual name given to Jacob. We are true Israel today, not apostate Israel.

We see the international scope of the salvation plan in God’s promise to Jacob in Genesis 35:10-11: “And God said unto him, Thy name is Jacob: thy name shall not be called any more Jacob, but Israel shall be thy name: and he called his name Israel. And God said unto him, I am God Almighty: be fruitful and multiply; a nation and a company of nations shall be of thee, and kings shall come out of thy loins.”

After changing his natural name to a spiritual name, God immediately predicted that nations will be of Israel (gôy and qâhâl gôy). The Hebrew word qâhâl means assembly, company, congregation, multitude. This literal describes a nation (natural Israel) and a congregation of nations (spiritual Israel). Clearly, the integration of the Gentiles into Israel was God’s ultimate plan from the very beginning.

Isaiah 27:6 declares: “He shall cause them that come of Jacob to take root: Israel shall blossom and bud, and fill the face of the world with fruit.” According to Holy Writ, those who become part of Israel will assuredly take root. There is clearly a sense of enjoinment in this text. Israel would decisively expand her influence throughout the globe. She would likewise be fruitful. This is talking about a worldwide community of believers. Those who have received Christ have taken spiritual root and have consequently blossomed throughout the nations.

When you consider the meaning of the word “Israel” and how it ultimately finds its fulfillment in Jesus Christ, it forces us to ask, what people, then, today, could possibly meet the criteria and designation of true Israel? It has to be a spiritual people, because that is, ultimately, the core sense of the word. But it also must be a company that recognizes, identifies and embraces Christ (true Israel). That certainly isn’t natural Israel over this past 2000 years. It was them that rejected Him and nailed Him to a tree. What is more, this company is not limited to the Middle East but is rather expressly found throughout “the world” (Isaiah 27:6) and relates to “a company of nations” (Genesis 35:10-11).

True Israel today can only refer to God’s redeemed people (of all nations), the New Testament congregation. Only they can meet the description. They alone belong to Christ. Only they are His ambassadors on this earth. Only they enjoy favor with God and with man. Scripture proves that Gentile believers would be thoroughly blended into the harmonious whole of faithful Israel. This is supported many Old Testament prophecies that tells us that Israel will be enjoined by others and will incorporate the nations. This is talking about the full spiritual expanse of true Israel. If one is in Christ they belong to spiritual Israel.

Lord have mercy!

This is so bizarre!

Horrifying!

Michie said:

They should placing a warning on fairy tales then. That stuff was read before college and it intensifies as the student matures.. why single out the Bible? It really makes no sense when you look at the big picture.

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Yup. Not to mention many fairy tales, the original, are violent.

Dan Perez said:

And CONTEXT is NUMBER # 1 , YES !!

OR , CONTEXT does not MATTER is # 2. !!

Which is TRUE. ?? # 1 or #.2. !!

dan p

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He alone is truth.

He is Number One.

He can speak through a donkey.

Context would resist such a claim.

Vambram said:

The point that Trump ain't the first POTUS to use the military to fight against the narco cartels.

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Other presidents used the military to train non Americans and supplied them with equipment and info (see quote in post above). That's not what you said, is it...

JohnB445 said:

what concerns me, if Calvinism is saying that some will become believers but then fall away because they were never going to be elect, it's like giving pretending to give someone an amazing gift only to take it away like some kind of joke.

I don't know if that is what Calvinism is teaching, but if it is then how would a Calvinist be sure of their eternal destiny if they have no idea if they were elect?

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Same thing with Jehovah's Witnesses and their 2 class system. The people who think they are apart of the 144,000 just think they are. And it seems the Calvinist is the same for whatever reasons they have, it comes down to belief that they just think they are. The entire idea that God chooses who is saved and who isn't and there is nothing anyone can do about it, has a lot of issues due to Gods nature. I don't think for a second that Calvinists are correct in this idea.

CoreyD said:

I thought they might help. I was wrong.
Each verse I gave you starts by saying it's now going to give the history. Followed by the history.

• Genesis 2:4 - The history of the heavens and the earth when they were created.
• Genesis 5:1 - This is the historical record of Adam's generations.
• Genesis 6:9 - This is the history of the generations of Noah.
• Genesis 10:1 - Now this is the history of the generations of the sons of Noah and of Shem, Ham, and Japheth
• Genesis 11:10 - This is the history of the generations of Shem.

No need to overthinking things, J.

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Yea sure.

So my thought was, Genesis 1 tells this aspect of history. And then chapter 2 continues that history. As opposed to retelling it. I'll go back and reread your post to see if I'm missing anything.

I agree that the YEC view of trees growing fast and the events of chapter 2 happening in a single day don't make any sense though.

The Liturgist said:

No, that would be one of mine - can you guess why? I’ve mentioned it in a few posts; its something of the signature breakthrough of my project.

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I've got you beat. I was born when the highest technology machine in a house was the television, with no remote control. You had to walk across the room to change the channel.

Warden_of_the_Storm said:

You do it and see what else is being talked about other than just Egypt.

Or leave the attention seeking at the door and leave this thread.

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It's mostly about alien stone working technology, or something like that...

BobRyan said:

1. 1 Cor 7:19 'What matters is KEEPING the COMMANDMENTS of God"

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Yep. Encapsulated in Jesus two love commandments except for the 4th commandment whivh Jesus fulfilled on Himself and became the Lord of the sabbath.

BobRyan said:

2. Eph 6:1-2 "the first commandment with a promise is -- Honor your father and mother"

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Yep. Encapsulated in Jesus two love commandments.

BobRyan said:

3. Rev 14:12 "the saints KEEP the Commandments of God and their faith in Jesus"

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Yep. Encapsulated in Jesus two love commandments.

BobRyan said:

4. Rom 3:31 "what then? Do we make void the Commandments of God by our faith? On the CONTRARY! We establish the Law"

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Think about this one for a bit. First, the word commandment does not appear in the verse.

“Where then is boasting? It has been excluded. By what kind of law? Of works? No, but by a law of faith. For we maintain that a person is justified by faith apart from works of the Law. Or is God the God of Jews only? Is He not the God of Gentiles also? Yes, of Gentiles also, since indeed God who will justify the circumcised by faith and the uncircumcised through faith is one. Do we then nullify the Law through faith? Far from it! On the contrary, we establish the Law.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭3‬:‭27‬-‭31‬ ‭NASB2020‬‬

Secondly, which law is Paul establishing? He tells us in verse 27, the Law of faith not the law of works (OT law including the 1v commandments). Why? Because Paul tells us in Gal.3:12 that the law is NOT of faith.

“However, the Law is not of faith; on the contrary, “The person who performs them will live by them.””
‭‭Galatians‬ ‭3‬:‭12‬ ‭NASB2020‬‬

BobRyan said:

Without the Law... there is no sin Rom 4, and no need for grace or the gospel

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Follow the verses in Rom. 4. What is Paul talking about when he says that where there is no law there is no sin?

“For the promise to Abraham or to his descendants that he would be heir of the world was not through the Law, but through the righteousness of faith. For if those who are of the Law are heirs, then faith is made void and the promise is nullified; for the Law brings about wrath, but where there is no law, there also is no violation. For this reason it is by faith, in order that it may be in accordance with grace, so that the promise will be guaranteed to all the descendants, not only to those who are of the Law, but also to those who are of the faith of Abraham, who is the father of us all, (as it is written: “I have made you a father of many nations”) in the presence of Him whom he believed, that is, God, who gives life to the dead and calls into being things that do not exist. In hope against hope he believed, so that he might become a father of many nations according to that which had been spoken, “So shall your descendants be.” Without becoming weak in faith he contemplated his own body, now as good as dead since he was about a hundred years old, and the deadness of Sarah’s womb; yet, with respect to the promise of God, he did not waver in unbelief but grew strong in faith, giving glory to God, and being fully assured that what God had promised, He was able also to perform. Therefore it was also credited to him as righteousness. Now not for his sake only was it written that it was credited to him, but for our sake also, to whom it will be credited, to us who believe in Him who raised Jesus our Lord from the dead, He who was delivered over because of our wrongdoings, and was raised because of our justification.”
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Paul uses the example of Abraham. Look at the verse that follows, for this reason it is by faith, in order to be in accordance with grace thst the promise is guaranteed to all. By the wrath of the law the promise was guaranteed to no one. The law is not of faith and not in accordance to grace. Now, follow the verses until it tells you why. Abraham faith was credited to him as righteousness the same way that the believers faith is credited as righteousness through Jesus sacrifice on the cross BECAUSE of our wrongdoing. The result of this faith is justification.

Do you know what justification is? Here it is:

“On account of the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ, the demands of the law of God are met, and believers are granted the status of being righteous in the sight of God.

Justification is grounded in the death of Jesus Christ

Jesus Christ’s death shields believers from God’s wrath Ro 5:9 See also Ro 3:24; 4:25; 5:18; 1Pe 2:24

Jesus Christ’s death fulfils the demands of the law of God Ro 8:3-4 See also Ro 3:25-26; Gal 3:13; 1Jn 2:2

Justification is grounded in the resurrection of Jesus Christ Ro 4:25; 10:9-10 See also Ac 2:22-39; 4:10-12; 17:30-31; 1Pe 3:18-21

Justification means believers are reckoned as righteous through the death of Jesus Christ Ro 5:19; 1Co 1:30; 2Co 5:21 See also 1Co 6:9-11; Php 3:8-9 The term “imputation” is used to refer to the process by which God treats believers as being righteous in his sight on account of Jesus Christ’s death.

Justification is received by faith Ro 1:17 pp Gal 3:11 See also Hab 2:4; Ro 5:1; Eph 2:8

The example of Abraham Ge 15:6 See also Ro 4:1-5,9-22; Gal 3:6-9,16-18

The example of David Ro 4:6-8; Ps 32:1-2

Manser, Martin H. 2009. Dictionary of Bible Themes: The Accessible and Comprehensive Tool for Topical Studies. London: Martin Manser.


What are the results of justification?

Justification brings a changed relationship with God and a future hope. It will also bring a change in behaviour.

Peace with God, access to his presence and the hope of his glory Ro 5:1-2 See also Ro 8:30; Tit 3:7

Assurance of forgiveness Ro 5:9; Eph 1:13-14

Knowing Jesus Christ and participating in his resurrection Php 3:10-11 See also Ro 6:5

Freedom from condemnation Ro 8:31-34 See also Ro 8:1-4; Gal 3:13-14

Freedom from domination by sin Ro 6:14,17-18

Adoption into God’s family See also Ro 8:15-17; Gal 4:6-7

Righteousness in the sight of God Ro 5:17; Php 3:8-9 See also Ro 3:20-22; 1Co 1:30

Justification must lead to good works Jas 2:24 See also Ro 6:15-18; Gal 5:13-16; Jas 2:14-26


Manser, Martin H. 2009. Dictionary of Bible Themes: The Accessible and Comprehensive Tool for Topical Studies. London: Martin Manser.

The law does not justify so why would I want to be under the law? We were put to death in regard to the law. We belong to Christ who died for the propitiation of our sins. We have been released from the law.

“Therefore, my brothers and sisters, you also were put to death in regard to the Law through the body of Christ, so that you might belong to another, to Him who was raised from the dead, in order that we might bear fruit for God. For while we were in the flesh, the sinful passions, which were brought to light by the Law, were at work in the parts of our body to bear fruit for death. But now we have been released from the Law, having died to that by which we were bound, so that we serve in newness of the Spirit and not in oldness of the letter.”
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So again, Why would we need the law if we have something much better?

Hank77 said:

The price per oz. is the actual cost. I love unit pricing; it saves both time and money.

In both examples, the more processed foods cost less per oz.

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But barely...

Is someone really noticing a fraction of an ounce difference per serving?

RocksInMyHead said:

Good for you?

Would it make you happier if I called it hate speech instead of racism? 'Cuz we can go with that. "Zero to racism" just had a better ring to it than "Zero to hate speech".

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Islamic religious legislation has codes on what to do if a child bride's 3-hole is raped into a 1-hole. https://archive.ph/cMraI

What is you opinion on forcing this culture between the legs of the culture that ended the Holocaust and gave us Winnie-the-Pooh while they loudly scream no and try to get away?

The Liturgist said:

On the contrary, a Christological-prophetic interpretation of certain OT texts insulates us from heresy.

We know from Luke 24 that the Old Testament is entirely a prophecy of Christ - most forms of recent error stem from literal-historical readings of the Old Testament that do not directly relate to God’s economy of salvation through His incarnation in the person of the Son and Word, Christ our God.

Conversely, Nestorianism resulted from the coercive implementation in tne Patriarchate of Constantinople of the literal-historical exegesis of Theodore of Mopsuestia.

Of course, Theodore’s interpretation of Scripture, although literal, would come across as alien to modern ears.

I would note that the best Church Fathers used both literal and Christological-prophetic interpretations of the Old Testament, while leaning towards literalism in the New Testament.

Many of our worst modern errors come from non-literal allegorical eisegesis of New Testament pericopdes, for example, the use of Mark 7 contra 1 Corinthians 11:2 and 2 Thessalonians 2:15 to attack the tradition of the Catholic Church, the use of 2 Peter to attack the Epistles of St. Paul whenever one disagrees with them, the claim Christ our God was only allegorically speaking of His flesh and blood in the Institution Narrative in 2 Corinthians 11 and the Synoptics and John ch. 6 and the related claim that Baptism of the Spirit excludes baptism in water, the claim of credobaptists that statements of entire households being baptized were not literally true, and the claim of liberal Christians that St. Paul’s statements on sexual morality are not to be taken literally.

To my knowledge, only five denominational groups, plus isolated churches in other denominations, namely - the Eastern Orthodox, Oriental Orthodox, Roman Catholics, High Church / Anglo Catholic Anglicans of the Continuing Anglican / GAFCON / conservative alignment, and Confessional Lutherans of the Orthodox Evangelical Catholic alignment such as my friends @MarkRohfrietsch @ViaCrucis and @Ain't Zwinglian have managed to avoid these errors (partially in the case of Roman Catholics as there are liberals vying for control such as the German bishops).

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I agree, for the most part. Implemented correctly, the use of allegory can be highly beneficial. However, it is a very slippery slope for some and I have encountered many truly amazing allegorical interpretations of scripture which hardly align with orthodox teaching.

As for the Bavarian bishops, you probably know their history. Bavarian Catholicism has had a curious relationship with Rome for a very long time. When the unification of Germany was accomplished by Otto Von Bismarck, the Bavarian Catholics found themselves as relative aliens in a Lutheran and Reformed conglomerate. In any event, we shall see how Pope Leo relates to them. Hopefully, truth and peace will prevail.

Consider that most people are born and grow with a question in their mind what this is all about and is there more. This starts a journey which will or at least should either lead them into the world or away from it. Whether they find Christianity is irrelevant. it is the truth of the Father that matters and it won't be found in the traditional ways of mankind. Turning from the adversarial self-serving ways of man and elohim is key and in that lies salvation. People around the world can by choice discover and live by the golden rule,

RocksInMyHead said:

"Mortgage records" is a very broad term, and that article is exceedingly non-specific. The actual information that is recorded is the final mortgage contract and deed (I looked mine up - that's all that's there). It does not include the application(s) or any other ancillary forms submitted during the process. Considering that at least some of the claims made against James involved her applications, there was at least some non-public information in Pulte's hands.

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still waiting for proof that is came from Fannie Mae - the lender - or even proof she used fannie mae.

contratodo said:

I tell you plainly dear one, for the times are upon us, one day a person in that office will seam to die, and then..... An alien mother ship will come beam him up,

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Oh.

OK.

I have yet to figure out the obsession that so many Christians have with Spacemen and Flying Saucers. And the apparent compulsion so many seem to have to include those Spacemen and Flying Saucers in the Christian Faith.

Truth is only known by God's revelation. Left to our own devices, we can't get off the ground. Fear of the Lord is the beginning of knowledge.

rjs330 said:

....In banking, much like other businesses we have large conglomerates that have a lot of control. Big banking. We do not have as many locally run and funded banks as we used to. Banks that would know their customers and would help them out. Now, like so much huge banks control a lot of the findings and loans.

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That is capitalism right there. People seeking the means for the most aggressive wealth accumulation.

I'm all for private enterprise. But in the name of "free markets" so called conservatives have opened every possible door for unregulated consolidation AND for unregulated corporate and billionaire campaign funding. I do realize that other parties rarely say no when donors come knocking. But its the Rs and their partisan supreme court who insisted this should be the rules of the game.

It looks like over 600 hundred wasn't the worst of the worst. And some of the people, that were detained decided to go back home.