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Kilauea Volcano is spectacular today.

The eruption is *STILL* going on with an arching fountain from the south vent. Here are some videos from earlier today shot by:

a live human;


a dead web cam:



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Small hillock on horizon near end of plume used to be the video camera location. (Road was broken in Summer 2018.)

Larger set of photos from today:

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A Christian Response to Pride Month

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The healing effects of stories

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Johamn had everything: good income, status, and a life of extravagance. A celebrated pharmacist turned businessman, he lived in a world
where nothing came cheap. He scoffed at meals below $20, considering them an insult to his refined palate.

One night, to celebrate securing a new contract, Johann and his business partner Hans resolved to find a truly fitting restaurant in Vienna——
one that could satisfy Johann’s uncompromising standards. But his sophisticated palates and exacting demands soon turned the quest into a prolonged ordeal, dragging them across the city. At one point, Hans muttered, “You’re not choosing a wife, Johann. It’s only dinner.” Johann ignored him, busy inspecting every menu he came across.

After four relentless hours of scrutinizing menus and dismissing venues, they finally settled on a lavish establishment that seemed worthy of their standards. Several ornate dishes were ordered, but the triumph was short-lived. One bite into the first plate and Johann’s face soured; he launched into complaints before the manager, demanding to leave. The manager, unmoved, insisted on payment. Johann paid for all the dishes ordered—grudgingly—and stormed out.

Undeterred, the hunt resumed.

Another hour of wandering through Vienna’s glittering streets brought them to yet another upscale location, one that promised refinement beyond reproach. With aged whiskey poured and expensive cigars lit, Johann and Hans prepared to celebrate triumphantly. Yet scarcely 19 minutes had passed when a waiter approached with blunt finality: the restaurant was closing. Their indulgence ended not in satisfaction, but in dismissal, as they were ushered out into the night.

"Why kick us out?" Johann stared at the waiter in disbelief.
"We are closing---it's 1 o'clock already!" The waiter replied.

They staggered out into the city streets, their judgment clouded by the alcohol and disappointment. They didn’t notice the black van parked nearby until it was too late.
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The van screeched forward, headlights blinding. Before Johann could react, rough hands yanked him back. A hood was shoved over his head, muffling Hans’s protests as they struggled. Their kidnappers moved swiftly, bundling Johann into the van while leaving Hans behind. Johann’s world blurred into darkness.

Johann’s new reality began in a dim room in the beautiful rural town of Bad Goisern on Lake Halstatt. His two kidnappers' goal was to demand a ransom of 2 million. The two kidnappers were Robert and Rune—known to their friends as Rob and Run. They sat slouched in the dim room, their cigarettes dangling lazily from their fingers...
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Pastor outraged after friend jailed for refusing to apologize over drag queen story hour protest: 'Minions of Satan'

Good for him! Stick to your guns no matter what happens! He shouldn't have to apologize for what he said. Was it a lot? Sure... but children are involved. I can understand the outrage. Forcing him to apologize, is forcing him to go back on his religious beliefs and for a country that is supposed to be freedom of religion, that's pretty anti-religious. The Pastor didn't cause harm, he just said stuff people didn't like and peacefully protested.
Agreed. Children don’t need to be exposed to adult material. Drag queens belong in private gay bars- not a children story’s hour.
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Why Is It So Hard for Christians to Talk About Justice and Greed?

Yeah, that seems like a reasonable explanation. The 'brain-washing' of capitalist values starts young, and doesn't stop when we grow old. We really do need to be "born again" to start to change our perspective.
Yes, and it's not just capitalist values. Coveteousness is as old as the Fall of man. It comes down to this bottom line: do we love, first of all, as God both models and calls us to and as only union with Him can accomplish in us, or do we carry on the family tradition of self above all else which requires-which is intrinsic to-remaining apart from Him and wallowing in our greed, our sin, and the pride that drives it.
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Charlie Kirk Didn’t Shy Away From Who He Was. We Shouldn’t, Either

The election. Biden beat Trump convincingly. Yes, Trump whined and threw tantrums, even incited an insurrection to stop the certification of the election. But Biden beat him.

And imagine the howls of MAGA if Joe Biden had kept falling asleep in meetings as Trump has. Dozy Don is clearly not as sharp as Biden was during his presidency.

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Video and photos from a Dec. 2, 2025 White House Cabinet meeting show President Donald Trump with his eyes closed several times and at least once fully closed while officials spoke; multiple outlets describe him as “fighting sleep” or “appearing to doze,” while the White House press secretary said he was “listening attentively and running the entire” meeting [1] [2]. News organizations counted repeated moments of drooping or closed eyes during the roughly three‑hour meeting; some outlets quantified the behavior (for example, reporting “nearly six minutes” of eyes shut in aggregate) while others simply described multiple episodes [3] [4].

Obviously, Donald Trump has declined significantly since Joe Biden beat him in a presidential election. But it was obvious even before the last election...

Trump was brutally mocked as “Dozy Don” by California Gov. Gavin Newsom in October after he appeared to drift off at an event discussing the threat his administration said is posed by Antifa activists, in revenge for the president’s regular jibes against “Sleepy Joe” throughout his presidency.

Trump previously appeared to drift off during his criminal trial in Manhattan in May 2024 when the strain of fighting four indictments while campaigning for the White House seemed to get the better of him.

Too bad that you only see this in Trump and dismiss all the videos of Biden’s gaffes and wondering around lost
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JPPT's Faithful Thoughts and Devotions (3)

JPPT1974's Thurs Thoughts 12/11/2025:
Zeroing on in when the Lord
Jesus will be coming back down
From eternity and heaven on the
Right hand side of the Lord God His
Father and how it will come sooner than
Later as He wants us all to always
Place Him first and foremost but
How we need to put Him 24/7/365/12/52!
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JPPT1974's Daily Devotions

JPPT1974's Thurs Thoughts 12/11/2025:
Jesus came from a lowly manger
He took the form over in the Servant of
All servants and even though He is the
Son of the Lord Jesus but never flaunted it
He acted and still acts with kindness and love
Caring and sharing what God wanted Him to do
So for the three years He would preach and teach.
We may never be like Christ nor should we
Ever act like we are Him as we have no right by
Any and all means but to really show love and kindness
The Lord's ways and will are not the earth's.
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Do you keep the Sabbath? (poll)

This is true. The Law defines sin. Where there is no Law, there is no sin. There can't be sin, because as you said, the LAW points out sin.

Since the begining there has always been law. That does not mean that the Sinai Covenant reached back to the beginning, ant that doesn't mean that mankind today is subject to all of the previous laws. Jesus gave mankind a New and better Covenant. Every human being is under the new covenant because Jesus fulfilled the old one. The question I have for you who claims to be under the Law, how do you go about picking some laws and culling others? in other words who has given you permission to avoid parts of the all the covenants God has ever placed on
So Bob, as you have pointed out, there is no transgression of God's Law, without God's Law. We know Adam sinned, therefore there was law. Cain was warned about Sin, therefore there was LAW.
Not that that is wrong I never pointed it out. There is no need to. Did Adam have a law prohibiting his son for taking his daughter. Did Abraham have a law pr0hibiting him having concubines? So, as you should plainly see, laws have changed throughout history.

You keep telling us we have been duped believing lies that have existed for centuries. The lies I have been told have been coming from those who will not recognize that we are not subject to the Sinai Covenant.
Is that so?? Like I pointed out Abe had concubines, and had two wives Deut 5:15 And remember that thou wast a servant in the land of Egypt, and that the Lord thy God brought thee out thence through a mighty hand and by a stretched out arm: therefore the Lord thy God commanded thee to keep the sabbath day.

Why would Abe observe a day that he had no part? God didn't lead Abe out of Egypt.
Certainly not all the laws He imposed on Israel. We know that for a fact and I don't see how you could possibly twist scripture to prove differently.
17 And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect.

What Law was "ADDED" 430 years after Abraham, that the Pharisees were still promoting? This "LAW" was ADDED "Because of Transgressions (SIN)"? Transgressions of what? That would be transgressions of the Commandments, Statutes and Laws of God, Yes? If not, then what?
Ritual laws that pertained only to Israel. Laws pertaining to morality have always existed. Pigs were one of the first domesticated animals and I am sure they were not used to make footballs.. Then came the Sinai Covenant and the pigs in Israel were not used for food. Did the remainder oof the World stop eating them?
You and I have been taught lies about this chapter, by this world's religious system since we were kids. And our parents, and their parents, taught the same lie, just as the Jews in Jesus Time had been told lies about God for centuries.

I would have you consider that the "LAW" given "Because of Sin", is not God's definition of sin. That makes no sense and in frankly absurd. All men have sinned, are are in need of atonement. In the Bible, this atonement was achieved through a "Priesthood". In Moses Time, God made a Priesthood Covenant with Levi, to provide for the remission of sins. It was called the "Levitical Priesthood" which was after "The Order of Aaron" of the Tribe of Levi. Obviously this LAW wasn't in effect or given in Abraham's Time because Levi was not even born until centuries after Abraham was dead. This Priesthood Law/Covenant was only Temporary, according to the Law and Prophets, because there was a Prophesied Priest, "After the Order of Melchizedek", that was to come "After those days". And just like the Priesthood "After the Order of Aaron", this NEW Priesthood was also ADDED "Because of Transgressions", which is the purpose of the Priesthood LAW in the first place. Paul said the LAW he is speaking to, was ADDED " till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; Gen. 26: 4 "and in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed;"
And when a change in the priesthood happens there are changes in the law.
Hebrews 7:12
For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the l
I believe this "SEED" is the Jesus "of the Bible.
Is that something new? That is what I was taught and as far as I know most of Christianity believes that, so where is the lie you say we are living under?
But the mainstream preachers of the world in that time, the Pharisees, didn't believe Jesus was that SEED. This is undeniable Biblical Fact. They were still promoting the Old Priesthood LAW for the remission of sins. A LAW Abraham wasn't under. Paul is explaining that the LAW they were promoting, was Prophesied to end at the arrival of the Prophesied Priest "After the Order of Melchizedek", "Till the SEED should come".
The "old Priesthood Law" you are referring is was the Sinai Covenant.
And this Priesthood was a school master that was to LEAD those men to Christ, as it did for Zacharias, David, Simeon, Anna, Shadrack, Daniel, even Abraham saw the Day of the Prophesied Messiah. But the Pharisees and their fathers, according to the Holy Scriptures, corrupted the Priesthood and therefore were not led to Christ, as it is written.
No, it was the Law that was the schoolmaster not some priesthood as you have implied. Be careful what you are trying to teach.
Mal. 2: 7 For the priest's lips should keep knowledge, and they should seek the law at his mouth: for he is the messenger of the LORD of hosts.

8 But ye are departed out of the way; ye have caused many to stumble at the law; ye have corrupted the covenant of Levi, saith the LORD of hosts. 9 Therefore have I also made you contemptible and base before all the people, according as ye "have not" kept my ways, but have been partial in the law.

In the past you have just blown off these Holy Words of the God inspired Holy Scriptures. I'm hoping maybe this time, you or others reading along, can see the truth of Gal. 3, and the LAW that was ADDED that the Pharisees were still promoting to the Galatians, even though the Promised Seed had come.
What does all you have written have to do with where we stand today? Today we are under the New and Better Covenant Jesus ordained at Calvary, What the priesthood did or didn't do has nothing to do how we can come directly before Jesus and get remission for breaking His Law of Love, the command He gave all mankind to live by.
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State leaders speak out about plans to expand the Islamic Academy of Alabama

Yeah that's the problem. In Europe they are finding that out almost too late.
I'm not in Europe. Multiple reports have detailed that Right wing extremism is the threat in the US.

Do not get me wrong, I find the extremism of Islam troubling, but it is not currently the overriding worry.
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Why Do Christians Resist the Idea of “Social Justice”? A Theological Question


I’ve been reflecting a lot on the tension many Christians feel around the phrase “social justice.” It’s a topic that seems to trigger strong reactions from different sides of the church — both progressive and conservative — even though Scripture speaks frequently about justice, mercy, the poor, and the oppressed.


In studying this subject, I’ve noticed that there seems to be one main reason many believers push back against the idea of “social justice” today. What’s interesting is that I’ve heard this same objection from both sides of the political spectrum, even though they frame it differently.


Rather than turning this into a political debate, I’m curious from a theological standpoint:


What do you think is the primary reason Christians object to talk of “social justice”?


Is it:


  • a misunderstanding of the biblical meaning of justice?
  • a reaction to how the term is used culturally or politically?
  • fear of drifting into works-based righteousness?
  • concerns about ideology?
  • something else entirely?

I recently explored this topic in the final part of a video series I’ve been working on, and it led to some interesting insights. For anyone who wants to see how I approached the question, I've linked the video below. But the main purpose of this post is to hear your theological perspective and learn from the broader Christian community here.


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Looking forward to a respectful, Christ-centered discussion.


Grace and peace.
People talk a lot about “social justice,” but there’s still no agreed-upon set of metrics for what that even means. Every group defines it differently, which makes it difficult to measure or achieve in any consistent way.

When you look at the ministry of Jesus, His focus wasn’t on creating a political program to wipe out slavery, establish minority rights, or secure equality for women—issues that modern social justice conversations often center on. Instead, Jesus consistently emphasized something far deeper: the reconciliation of individual people with God. His primary mission was transforming hearts, not restructuring governments. From that inner transformation, the outward fruit of justice and mercy naturally flows.
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What is that to a dead man…..

~~When it is seen that one has died when Christ died, all is met with a ‘what is that to a dead man, I follow Christ……..~~


When the above truth has the possession of the heart, oh what freedom the heart, the life, the very soul of man experiences… All the trouble of this life morphs into a glorious hallelujah given to the One that has given such a salvation unto man…

For Christ came to fulfill the law concerning man, and He did this by taking every man to death with Him, blessed and so blessed is the heart that sees into this truth…. For when it does, all is met with a ‘what is that to a dead man,,,,, I follow Christ’ …..

May we all enter into and enjoy and live in the light of what our salvation in Him consists of….

Many blessings to all that would seek to enter in, because Jesus did die and we did die in Him…..


From a fellow follower who believes into his death in Christ, Not me…..

Most self-identified Christians think doing 'good things' is enough to get to Heaven

I've watched enough YouTube street interviews of passerbys, along with Ray Comfort's college campus interviews, to agree with the first comment. Whether Christian, Catholic, or other religion, the most common response to asking whether one thinks they will go to heaven is a "yes" or "I hope so", based upon their belief that they are a relatively good person. And it's generally not for the good things they claim to do, but rather the bad things that they haven't done compared to others. They grade themselves on a performance curve. I've found this to be the case too even for atheists.
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Do other Christians have trouble making friends?

The first step is to get back to church. You may not be impressed with the local churches but you have to make a start somewhere.

The next step is to get involved in a church activity of some sort. That way you'll have a common interest with at least some of the congregation and as you work with them, you'll get to know them and they will get to know you.

But if you don't even darken a church door, there's no way you're going to meet other Christians.
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Problems with Dan 9 decrees, and dates

483×360 (prophetic days year) =173,880 days
173,880÷365.2425 (Gregorian solar day year) =476.067 years
0.067×365.2425≈24.5 days. 476 years + 24.5 days.

Decree = 445 BC (modern Gregorian date) - 476 Gregorian years - 1 when going from BC to AD = 32 AD crucifixion. At most there is an allowance for 2 years + or - on that decree date which allows the crucifixion to take place between 30-34 AD. Ask chat GPT for the sources for that date in Nehemiah 2, and how much variation is allowed for it. Early Christians place the crucifixion between 30-33 AD, and same with astronomers.

The decree in Nehemiah 2 was given in the month of Nisan using Babylonian calendar. Here is what chat GPT told me about that
⭐ HOW NISAN WAS DETERMINED IN SUSA: Rule: Nisan 1 = the first visible crescent moon after the spring equinox (~March 20).
This means the earliest Nisan 1 can occur is around March 21, and the latest Nisan 1 can occur is around April 20.
This creates a 30-day possible range.
⭐ NISAN DATE WINDOW IN SUSA: ✔ Earliest possible Nisan 1: March 21–23 ✔ Typical Nisan 1: March 25 – April 10 ✔ Latest possible Nisan 1: April 18–20
These dates shift every year because: Lunar months average 29.53 days; The equinox can fall on March 20/21; Cloud cover can delay the first visible crescent; The Persian astronomer-priests looked for the moon, not barley.
⭐ WHY SUSA COULD NOT USE BARLEY FOR NISAN: Susa’s climate is hotter and earlier than Babylon and Israel.; Barley often ripened weeks earlier than in Judea.; Persian administrators needed one calendar across the empire.; The Babylonian system (moon-based) already existed and was mathematically precise.; So they adopted the Babylonian lunar months and names, including: Nisannu (Nisan), Ayyaru (Iyyar), Simanu (Sivan), …etc.; The Torah barley rule (aviv) did not apply in Persia.

So the decree goes out between 21st March, and April 20th. Abib/passover in the torah was barley ripening season which was spring March/April in Judea. Jesus is crucified in passover in one of these months. The latest barely ripening can occur in Judea is 20th April. If the decree went out 21st March then over 483 years have to add another 25 days end up April 15th as the crucifixion date with 20th April being the latest. Then there is mention of preparation for sabbath (saturday) so can probably be more precise than that.

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fears over Islam often a political maneuver against migrants, says Pope

However, he cautioned that oftentimes these fears are “generated by people who are against immigration and trying to keep out people who may be from another country, another religion, another race.”

This statement he made... He's lumping things together that shouldn't be categorized the same.

One of these things is not like the others.

Two are circumstances of birth, one is an ideological choice.

Countries should absolutely have a right to be discriminating when it comes voluntarily ideologies with regards to who they let in.


People can't control which country they were born in, or which race they are...but people can certainly choose which ideologies they subscribe to.

Trying to lump Islam in with "Of Arab descent" has always been a dishonest ploy.

It'd be like equating "This guy is sympathetic to the IRA, he's not a good fit here" to "Racism against Irish people"
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