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Are the Jews Israel, or is the church Israel? Or does it depend on the context of the passage?

In all of Scripture there is not one verse that specifically locates the rapture before the tribulation.
A pretribulation rapture is the notion of man, based solely in eisegesis (and never even heard of in the church until about 200 years ago).
Exactly. Many of us bought into the lie until God opened our eyes.
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Marjorie Taylor Greene to resign in January

Standing up for American women who were raped at 14, trafficked and used by rich powerful men, should not result in me being called a traitor and threatened by the President of the United States, whom I fought for,"
1. I am happy she's leaving politics cause she's too kooky.
But
2. The above comment is true..but
3. Come on mtg. Your lack of discernment when a whole political wing is telling you exactly what to expect, sets yourself up.

4. I've heard that she also quit just in time to receive her whole pension.


I laugh at the fact that republicans are turnning on her though. That REALLY exposes the misogynists in their ranks.
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DOGE wants to Make Aliens Great Again: Increase Visas to bring in Skilled Foreign Workers to Take Lucrative Jobs from Mediocre Americans

These insults and digs are coming from MAGA Republicans like Laura Loomer:

"Our country was built by white Europeans, actually. Not third-world invaders from India," Loomer said. "It's not racist against Indians to want the original MAGA policies I voted for."
OK, but is this racist against Indians?

Conservative commentator Steven Crowder told Piers Morgan on Thursday that Indian immigrants were unlikely to take construction workers’ jobs because they were too “physically feeble” to perform manual labor.

"you’re very unlikely to have Indian H1-Bs in your construction company because they’re a physically feeble people."

“As far as immigrant groups, Indian Americans are among my least favorite,” he continued. “Just as far as the culture, as far as assimilation, as far as the leering, as far as full-grown men holding hands. I think it’s weird and it’s not really my jam.”

Remarking that “half their civilization lives in actual poop” as a fart sound effect played, Crowder argued, “India knows they’re not the best and the brightest"
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Joe Biden Loses Cool When Asked Question

I said fascistic. Trump referred to himself as a fascist yesterday when Mamdani was in his office.
Sorry. There is such a big distinction between being a Fascist and being a Nazi I guess. You wouldn't call Trump a Nazi. Like all those other people do. OK. But a Fascist? Whatever.
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Worst Possible Uses for AI imaginable

Such a thing may turn out to be not so far fetched. The first victims might not even be believers, as we recognize them now, and those victims may not realize exactly what they're doing, until they're fully ingrained in it.
Some unbelievers have been worshiping Big Tech for awhile now. This is just another slide down the hill for them in their belief that technology can save us.
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Zions New Children

The absolute fact is that there is only ONE people of God. Who are His faithful Christian peoples by natural and Spiritual descent. John 17:20-23, +

Natural; by the fact of everyone living today, has some of Abrahams genes.
Spiritual; By accepting the Salvation offered by Jesus.

The truth of ‘born again’ Christians being the only People of God is summed up in a single sentence: Christ called a people together made up of Jews and Gentiles which would be one, not according to the flesh, but in the Spirit, and they would be the people of God.

Jesus Christ has made his followers into the whole People of God. The ministry of Jesus was to bring into existence a renewed people, in continuity with the Israel of old. Paul calls this new community ‘the Israel of God’. Galatians 6:16
Jesus symbolized his intention to do this by choosing the Twelve, Matthew 10:1-8, as representatives of the twelve tribes of Israel and as the foundation members of a renewed and mission minded community.

Christ called a people together made up from people of every tribe, race, nation and language, Revelation 5:9-10, who would be one, not according to the flesh, but in the Spirit, and they are now the Christian people of God. Seen by John in Revelation 7:9
This expanded People of God are bonded together by the sacrifice of the life of Jesus and the gift of his Spirit in their hearts, re-creating, directing, activating and motivating them from within. Paul’s letter to Titus speaks clearly of the influence of the Holy Spirit given at the rite of baptism, the first sacrament of Christian initiation:

Titus 3:5-7 From the goodness and loving kindness of God; our Saviour appeared and He saved us, not because of any works of righteousness that we had done, but according to His mercy, through rebirth and renewal by the Holy Spirit. This Spirit he poured out on us richly through Jesus Christ our Saviour, so that, having been justified by his grace, we would become heirs according to the hope of eternal life.

The clearest expression of the identity of the People of God of the New Covenant is found in 1 Peter 2:9-10 But you are a chosen race, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, God’s own people, in order that you may proclaim the mighty acts of him who called you out of darkness into his marvellous light. Once you were not a people, but now you are God’s people; once you had not received mercy, but now you have received mercy.
Romans 9:24-26 We [Christians] are the recipients of God’s mercy, whom He has called from among the Jews and Gentiles, for as Hosea says: Those who were not My people, I will call My people…..sons of the Living God.
Agreed and even today you have biological Jews apart of the kingdom.
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Matthew Dowd Fired from MSNBC For Vile Comments Blaming Charlie Kirk For Assassination

University of Tennessee: University's interests outweigh First Amendment rights of assistant professor who derided Charlie Kirk

KNOXVILLE, Tenn — An assistant professor's social media post deriding conservative Charlie Kirk undermined the University of Tennessee's "mission" and put campus safety at risk, UTK lawyers contend in a court response to her federal lawsuit.

Shirinian, an assistant professor in cultural anthropology, is asking the federal court in Knoxville for emergency intervention so she can come back to work. UTK opposes that as indicated in its filing this week.

She's on leave with pay [as the school moves to terminate her]
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Trump Bars Entry from 12 Countries

...and restricts entry from other countries.

The ban, which goes into effect on Monday, bars travel to the United States by citizens of Afghanistan, Myanmar, Chad, the Republic of Congo, Equatorial Guinea, Eritrea, Haiti, Iran, Libya, Somalia, Sudan and Yemen.

Haiti qualified for the World Cup. But the Trump administration says its fans aren’t welcome.

The Caribbean nation joins Iran as World Cup competitors covered by travel ban.

Haiti, which this week qualified to compete in the men’s World Cup for the first time since 1974, is covered by a travel ban President Donald Trump signed in June. The presidential proclamation restricts people from 19 countries from entering the United States, while including exemptions for players and their families, coaches and support personnel to participate in major sporting events. But the State Department confirmed to POLITICO on Friday that this exception will not apply to Haitian fans or spectators hoping to attend.
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China Bought $12.6 Billion in U.S. Soybeans Last Year. Now, It’s $0.

‘We want to trust what we’ve heard’: Farmers remain unsettled on trade, even after China’s biggest U.S. soybean purchase in two years

This week, the U.S. Department of Agriculture announced the sale of 792,000 metric tons of soybeans to China. The move follows a meeting between President Donald Trump and Chinese leader Xi Jinping at the end of last month to ease trade tensions, with China committing to resume orders of U.S. soybeans and purchase 12 million tons of of the crop by the end of the year, as well as at least 25 million tons in each of the next three years.

Earlier this month, China bought 332,000 tons of U.S. soybeans, bringing the total so far in November to more than 1 million tons.

So as long as China buys 11 million tons in December, we'll be just fine!

“We are concerned about the volatility in the trade relationships,” Main continued. “It’s hard for people to make plans—whether that’s farmers planning for next year’s crop, or buyers that are planning to make big investments in equipment or facilities or what have you—where there’s lots of instability.”

In 2024, soybeans made up about 20% of U.S. “cash crop receipts,” worth about $46.8 billion, according to USDA data. While about a quarter of those soybeans went to China, retaliatory tariffs as a result of trade disputes with Beijing hobbled the U.S. soybean industry while South American countries gobbled up market share. Brazil and Argentina are replacing U.S. farmers, with Brazil making up about 71% of China’s soybean imports, according to the American Soybean Association. Three decades ago, Brazil accounted for just 2% of those imports.

StoneX chief commodities economist Arlan Suderman said in a note earlier this month that ... China’s soybean processors have “zero financial incentive” to buy more U.S. supply because of the more affordable options from South America.
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Stranger Things

But, you know, that's never been the general circumstance in the US.

Parents in the US, in general, have never been able to help their children or provide a "positive and productive environment" for learning. That's a fairy tale, gaslighting that the education industry has spun for decades...it's never been the general case in the US. Parents have been poor, parents have had to work, parents have always been strung out in the US. The best they did was to send their children to school and insist that their kids do what their teachers told them.

It is true that since about the 80s there has been a disconnect between parents and the education system. For sure, to "insist that their kids do what their teachers told them" has been a ball that parents have dropped.

As a black man who made the transition in the 60s from segregated Southern schools with deeply caring black faculties to integrated schools with sometimes uncaring (sometimes malicious) white faculties, I can see that as a factor. But the phenomenon wasn't happening only as a result of integration. Something larger was happening across the board so that today there is very little trust between parents and teachers regardless of race.
My memory as I was growing up in the sixties and seventies is one we’re my parents and the parents of my friends were quite involved in our educations but I grew up middle class so not indicative of how it was for the poor. As a parent I spent time with my kids helping them with their homework and reading to them every night. This in turn showed my kids the importance to be part of their kids education and they are involved just as we were. Consequently I started reading at around 4 years old, my kids started reading at about the same age, and so have my grandchildren.

My neighbor, whom I’ve known for about 20 years, taught 6th grade math in public school for 30 years. His school was in a mixed income area ranging from poor to high middle class. His major complain was that those of lower income would not prioritize their children’s education and complain the loudest that the teachers were not doing their jobs. Also their behavior would be much worse because of the lack of attention. It’s sad really.

These are just my observations and are in no way representative. I did find an interesting reading how children’s reading literacy has changed in the last 50 years and there has been advances but no where near enough. In my opinion, if the schools would spend time educating the parents on the importance of being part of their children’s education the outcomes might be better.

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Six Democrats urge military members to 'refuse illegal orders' in viral video; Hegseth responds

No, we don't always know what what is contrary to the laws of the United States, and certainly not the Constitution.
Ignorance of the law is not an excuse in our courts. I agree that it is different with the Constitution and said that.
That's why these situations end up in court. And especially when they go to the Supreme Court.
Most cases that end up in court are people that knowingly broke a the law. SCOTUS is a bit different. A lot of that is people testing the Constitutionality of laws.
The president and his lawyers make their own decision of what is legal and Constitutional (or how to make it sound so in the necessary legalese) and give orders to the military. The Constitution gives the president that power, contradictable only by the Courts.
Sadly, Congress has given the President more authority than the Constitution gave him. The Constitution gives the President more authority in "emergencies" and Trump is testing just how far SCOTUS will let him go.

Sadly, we are having many career officers deciding to retire instead of obeying, what they believe, are illegal orders.
If Congress has passed explicit legislation on military matters, the Supreme Court will rule whether the president has stayed within the boundaries of an explicit law, but the Supreme Court largely stays out disputes with the Executive Branch on the basic Constitutionality of military actions. Not just with Trump...the Supreme Court has always been skittish about making rulings on the Constitutionality of Executive Branch military actions. They've even said as much in the past, essentially: "That area is not in our wheelhouse."
Agreed
The White House has construed a legal justification for those attacks.
Yes, but there are no laws which allow the killing of individuals without trying to ascertain intentions.

Even in wartime Iraq, troops tried to stop speeding vehicles, that could be suicide bombers, because they may be civilians. These speed boats, may or may not be drug runners, but blowing them up without attempting to stop them by other, is illegal. If not, please give me a law which allows it.

After WWII, war crime trials executed guards and soldiers which were following orders.
Congress, as a body, has not objected to Trump's justifications.
Sadly.


Nothing in our laws prohibits it, given the presidential justifications. As I just said, Congress has not objected and the Supreme Court will either back away from a decision (which they normally do) or agree with Trump's lawyers.

That's how we invaded Panama.
Sadly
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Why Christians can't look away from Israel

I think it would be very helpful if we defined our terms before beginning these threads and entering into debate.
By Israel, is one speaking of the tiny nation in the middle east?
The blood descendants of Jacob?
The Israel of God?
By Jew, do we mean those who are from the tribe of Judah?
Those who practice the Jewish faith?
And which one, Talmudic, Orthodox?
Can someone be a Jew who is also an atheist, how so?
If someone is an ethnic Jew, are they Sephardic, Ethiopian, Khazharian?
Are Khazarians even ethnically Jews?
Were the ten northern tribes Jewish? In what way.
Are they really lost?
Are all Israel Jews.
The ten northern tribes were not lost in the exile, for they are found in the rest of the Bible:

1) prophecies relating to the return from exile:
Jer 3:18, 31:27, 31 (where "Israel" is the northern kingdom of the ten tribes)
Eze 37:15-22 (where Ephraim is the northern kingdom of ten tribes, Isa 7:17);

2) return from exile (Exra 6:17);

3) NT (Ac 2:5, 26:7, Jas 1:1).
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The NEA is pushing far left teaching upon children

The question is ..... what would Jesus Christ of Nazareth do?

Here is helpful hint:

"For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved."

Undoubtedly, Jesus would show compassion toward everyone. He would invite them by saying, "Come to me; I will give you eternal life." Likewise, Jesus would expect his followers to emulate this approach and extend compassion to others.

However, the question I will ask you; if someone from the LGBTQ community accepts the "living water" that Jesus offers through his mercy, will they return to their previous lifestyle? If so, can we truly say they are Christians or have received Jesus's mercy? As someone who is a sinner saved by grace, I wonder—if I revert to my old ways, am I genuinely a follower of Christ?

This question is often raised among Christians: "What would Jesus do?" The consensus is that Jesus would respond, "Come to me; I offer eternal life."

But you know what comes next ? Jesus would say “ Go and sin no more”.
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Campus Prayer at Univ. of South Florida interrupted by harassers; felony hate crime charges filed against two men

2 of 3 men who disrupted Muslim prayer at USF identified, police file hate crime charges

Police said they filed hate crime charges against Christopher Svochak, 40, of Waco, Texas, and Richard Penskoski, 49, of Canyon, Oklahoma. Both have known local addresses in the Tampa Bay area, but no affiliation with USF, according to officials.

Police filed charges against Svochak and Penskosk under Florida State Statute 871.071 for disturbing schools and religious assemblies — which will be upgraded to a felony hate crime. They also filed charges for disorderly conduct and disrupting a school or lawful assembly.

The two men, and the unidentified third suspect, are associated with “the official street preachers.” In a statement, they said they were exercising their constitutional right to preach and speak against Islam.

Cell phone video captured the moment the three men confronted the group of students. The Muslim Students Association at USF said the men shouted slurs at them, waved bacon, and mocked their sacred rituals.

In one clip, a man could be heard saying, “You guys don’t have any bombs on you do you.” Another clip showed one of the men saying, “Spit on Muhammed’s name, he is a scum bag, just like all you Muslim terrorist.” It all lasted about 13 minutes.

Questions and Answers

You are trying to say that works are necessary for salvation and that contradicts many scriptures.
No, that is not what @Guojing was saying. He was saying that works "validate" the faith of a Christian's salvation in Christ. Salvation is by God's Love, Grace and Mercy, and not something we earn by our works.

It is by faith we are saved and not of works.

Ephesians2:
8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.
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Street Preaching

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Well if a person is going into this with the mindset of street preaching then they will encounter problems. Because who wants to be preached at!

But if a believer goes out into the world and asking people if they would like God's free gift of Eternal Life. They may find many open ears. So the key then is when an open ear is found, the person must correctly tell people how to receive God's free gift of Eternal Life. Which is only received by belief in Jesus for Eternal Life
Yes this is true, its about something that rings true or sparks their interest. The early church called the Gentiles God fearers as they did not necessarily believe in God but were open and interested enough to see there was something different and attractive to this new gospel that was spreading.

The church was speaking about salvation, finding peace like no other, true life. A new Kingdom of peace. This is what got their attention. But it was also because they seen it actually happening among the Christian community. Helping the poor and widows when everyone else didn't.
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The Saving results of the Death of Christ !

For all those Christ died His death exclusively for them acquired:

Deliverance

from the hand of our enemies, Luke 1:71-74

71 That we should be saved from our enemies, and from the hand of all that hate us;

72 To perform the mercy promised to our fathers, and to remember his holy covenant;

73 The oath which he sware to our father Abraham,

74 That he would grant unto us, that we being delivered out of the hand of our enemies might serve him without fear,

This has to do with Spiritual enemies, what the carnal jews didn't understand. Jesus is a Horn of Salvation Vs 69

69 And hath raised up an horn of salvation for us in the house of his servant David;

By His Death He becomes the Captain of our Salvation ! This also fulfills the promise of Matt 1:21

21 And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name Jesus: for he shall save his people from their sins. 9
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Conservative Marc Theissen column: Trump built a winning coalition. White nationalists will destroy it.

Here's my honest take...

The racists they're referring to were always part of the coalition. (even back in 2016)

They're just much more vocal and visible now.


The reason why this wasn't as visible from 2016-2023? Internet/Social Media censorship.

I tried making this argument back a few years ago... the argument of "sunlight is the best disinfectant". And that "you're actually helping Trump by hiding his most radical supporters from public view"


And that's really the ironic part, it was the "We need to ban any and all offensive speech and microaggressions" crowd (that hates Trump the most) that delayed people coming to realization, on the basis of "needing to protect peoples' feelings online"

I think we can mostly agree that the catalyst behind this "awakening" moment some in the conservative movement are having, is largely due to Nick Fuentes content not being censored anymore and a lot of people on the conservative half are learning about him (and his views) for for the first time.

Had some of the BlueSky-type crybabies not demanded content censorship on the major platforms back in 2016-2020, this "realization" that's leading to a "MAGA fracturing" could've happened 3-4 years ago when it actually mattered -- BEFORE he got elected again instead of afterwards.

People having that realization now changes nothing. With or without a "unified MAGA", Trump is your president until Jan. 2029.

I disagree. Though content moderation could be heavy-handed in the 2010's, the Overton window has moved alot since the major social media platforms capitulated in favor of techno-libertarian feudalism.
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Settlers filmed slashing car tires, hurling stones through store windows in Christian town

Israeli settlers are filmed slashing the tires of vehicles and hurling stones through shop windows in the Christian Palestinian town of Taybeh in the central West Bank late Wednesday night.

Previous attacks on Taybeh have caught the attention of US Ambassador to Israel Mike Huckabee, himself an ordained pastor, who visited in July and called for those targeting the town to be prosecuted. No indictments were filed, as they rarely are against those taking part in the near-daily settler attacks in the West Bank.

The latest attack in Taybeh was caught on security camera, while a separate incident involving the theft of construction equipment in the nearby village of Turmus Ayya was reported by the Palestinian Authority’s official Wafa news site.

Continued below.

The rise of menace as a mainstream political tool

SoCal residents receive anonymous threatening Christmas cards: ‘You are warned’

Reed said he thought it might have been an isolated prank — his next-door neighbors didn’t receive any such messages — until his sister showed him a neighborhood Facebook page.

Reed, it turned out, was just one of what he said were about a dozen neighbors who received threatening Christmas cards and notes on their doorstep. The messages on the notes ranged from, “Merry Christmas and [expletive] you Nazi,” to the ominous message, “8:46 December 3, you are warned.”

One neighbor shared a video on the Yucaipa neighborhood Facebook page of footage from his Ring camera. In the clip, two masked men can be seen running onto his doorstep to place the note.

In the Facebook group, some residents alleged that the use of “Nazi” could have been associated with the area’s Republican reputation, though notes were left in front of houses without politically affiliated flags or signage, like Reed’s.
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