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Final enemy to overcome is Death

This thread isn’t about making me a saint. But rather, to avoid sin unto death.
Yet in your opening post on this thread you wrote: "I’m not perfect, but compared to how vile some people are, who profess themselves to be normal, have a job etc… I have no problem calling myself a saint."
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Any Old School Holiness Pentecostals?

Yes, I got that. Did you get what I wrote?
I got what you said but I don’t agree with it there are different modes or traditions within the tent of Pentecostalism . Pentecostalism or Pentecostal Churches do not equate to automatically practicing the same way. The difference is Holiness Pentecostal branch’s goal is to really hone in on practicing holiness in every single thing they do. Not all Pentecostals do it the same way as the Holiness branch of the Pentecostal denomination. Anyway, this is a safe haven for you and others so I will not debate it with you here. God bless! :wave:
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PAUL EXPLAINS WHY ISRAEL WAS SET ASIDE , PERIOD. !!

Read Gal 6:15 and give your reply. as to what it means.
Again you're mixing up the groups of believers. There are three groups of believers:

1. Child of God (Gal. 4:1; 1 John 3:10)
2. Son of God (Rom.8:14; Gal. 3:25, 26)
3. Perfect (adult) man (Eph. 4:13)

When you talk about those under the law, which group do you think they belong to?

Aristarkos
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Teens Who Savagely Attacked Well-Known DOGE Staffer Avoid Jail Time

Disagree, you have no idea if these kids had previous record or not. With this kind of beating, jail time was appropriate. A punch in the nose or just a black eye, no. Probation completely appropriate. A concussion beat down? No, that deserves jail time.

Guess we'll just have to disagree. But your approval for rhe sentence is juat more evidence how the left is soft on crime.
Did he go to the hospital? From what I could read he was treated by the paramedics on-site, but it was an early report so it doesn't say if he was brought to a hospital. If he was concussed it would be very strange not to bring him to the hospital. Musk said a group tried to attack a woman before DOGE's Edward Coristine intervened. Here's what the police report says.

If there is a better reference I'll gladly read it. Are court proceedings public information in the US? I would guess so, but perhaps not when it involves minors? But if they are, perhaps we could read the judges sentencing argument?
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Selfishness

Hmm. Sorry not sure what this means. "Society" isn't a single unit, it is made up of multiple entities, people and institutions. They together form a community.

Which is why I put society in quotation marks. It's this assortment of people and groups that together form the heart of our social contract. In spite of its diversity we collectively agree to certain social guidelines, the aim of which is to provide for the safety and stability of the group as a whole, and the fair and equitable treatment of the people in it.

And if one is only willing to sacrifice as much (and no more) than a self perceived equitable standard, how is that a sacrifice at all?

It's every person's right to judge the equitability with which they're treated. And the true measure of a community isn't how well it serves the foremost of its members, but how well it serves the least of them. People are instinctively social creatures, they seek acceptance. Deny them that and the consequences are as much your fault as theirs. Ignore the disenfranchised at your own peril, but don't think that you can blithely judge those who's shoes you've never walked in.

Our society doesn't neglect "empathy", there are numerous safety nets and many institutions (churches for example) and people that contribute greatly and unselfishly to the needs of the disadvantaged.

The most venomous of the disenfranchised aren't the ones that you recognize, it's the ones that you don't. Blacks, women, gays, illegal immigrants, all have served their time as the disenfranchised. The community isn't judged solely by the good that it does, but also by the good that it doesn't do, and far more so when it fails to do so under the guise of some ethically 'superior' social good.

However, the larger laurels and financial compensations go to those who are contributing to our societies betterment. (I admit this can be over done and you have people or companies that are being overly compensated for their contribution.)

You're free to judge the integrity of the community's actions by whatever standard you see fit, but remember that the other person has the exact same right. Your standing as part of the 'community' has absolutely no bearing on the superiority of your claims over anyone else's. Might doesn't make right.

As for who contributes more to the 'betterment' of our society, wealth may be your chosen standard, but it's far from the most important of mine.

I'm merely looking at the average working stiff vs those that make no effort to contribute.

As I've said, until you've walked a mile in their shoes, what right do you have to judge?
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I think my dad was right on something.

I've been trying to think about this one, even before you posed this question. I think that something is wrong with the house. After all, since its inception in December 1979, it has never been blessed. I'm obsessed with suicide. The thing is, in my heart I don't think I actually want to die. A couple of examples come to mind - I had a diagnostic mammogram a few weeks ago to rule out inflammatory breast cancer because I was terrified that the bump/spot on my breast was something malignant, but it's "just" cellulitis. I was terrified though that if were IBC then I wouldn't live long. Then, I get a tad apprehensive when wanting to walk in a wooded area (it is never as bad as I make it seem), hoping that I'm in a state of grace when doing this, just in case anything happens. I think I do care about not dying, but I'm obsessed with ideation.

However, the only thing that makes me feel like I'm not going out of my mind in a cage is going out and walking in an open, scarcely populated area. I'm starting, however, not to feel too much difference in depression when doing this, but I do feel less confined in a small space, and that does help my mental health to a degree. Ever since I've been doing this walking, I hate staying home at all. I feel like I'm in a cage.

Sorry, I was conflating jinxing with curses. I didn't realize there was a difference; I just made an assumption that they were synonymous. I was wrong.

See, I think that this is where I was getting at. I feel like the curse has something to do with his former wife, and even my dad believed this. He hated the marriage and felt like he was lied to, in order to accept the woman, but after the marriage he discovered that his family deceived him about her and he wanted out, but he suspected that someone had wished bad upon him for doing this and that's why Mom got dementia and my brother and I have almost the exact misfortunes on certain things.

You could try to throw away old or useless objects, or that are 'suspicious' your house is going to end more orderly anyway even if that is not a cursed object problem, or maybe you throw the problem away who knows
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Trump is right to clamp down on Portland’s Jacobins

President Donald Trump ordered the National Guard to “war ravaged Portland” last week in a move that has been a long time in coming.

Federal Immigration and Customs Enforcement facilities have been besieged for months in the Oregon city with little indication that local authorities will do anything to get control of the situation.

In early September, after a serious anti-ICE riot in which protesters violently clashed with police, Portland Mayor Keith Wilson said that he would do nothing to help the federal government enforce the law and would protect the city’s “sanctuary” status for illegal aliens.

“We will not engage with the federal immigration enforcement that goes on,” Wilson said, according to KOIN 6 News. “That is our sanctuary city goals; that is what the governor’s goals are. So you can rest assured we won’t be engaging with or working with ICE in any circumstances.”

That came after Portland’s city council plotted earlier in the year not to stop the violence but to eject ICE from the city.

It couldn’t be clearer that Portland’s leaders have little interest in getting the rioters under control outside of pressure from the Trump administration.

Now, Oregon Democrats and their legacy media defenders are doing their best to spin a tale that Portland has no problems at all, and this is just the Trump administration being real mean.

Continued below.
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The Reality of Free Will

Did God create his intelligent children with free will?
Though many whether religious or non religious claim not, and argue against this, the answer is clearly yes.

What is the proof?
There are a number of scriptures, but let's start with John 8:44


Starting with God's heavenly children - the spirit creation, called angels, the Bible says of the one called Devil and Satan... When he lies, he speaks out of his own character. That is... pertaining to self, or of his own.
The disciple James uses this term in this way...

James 1:14

Jesus thus makes clear that the angel that became Satan the Devil, acts according to his own will, or desire.
Jesus further states in the same verse, John 8:44... "your will is to do your father’s desires".
Humans too, have their own will, which is in opposition to the father.

Can sin be blamed for the will of intelligent creatures?
Jesus said, the one called Devil and Satan, "was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth, because there is no truth in him".
So, no, this was a deliberate opposing of the truth. Hence, the name Satan.

It's also important to note that this angel .... in fact all of the angels... none are born in sin and shaped in iniquity.
So, sin cannot be claimed as a hinderance to free will. Nor can it be claimed that they have to give in to wrong desires.
The angels make their own decisions to do what the want. Genesis 6:2
Proof that the angels - God's heavenly children, do have free will.

Regarding humans, the same apply.
In saying that their will is to do Satan's desire, what was Jesus pointing out? They were acting on their own will. Not anyone else's.
That humans have free will is made clear in other scriptures.

1 Timothy 2:14

The Bible says Adam was not deceived.
Thus Adam acted on his own free will.
The verse says, Eve became a sinner, only after acting on her desire.
Adam and Eve were free willed agents... not driven by sin, but making free willed decisions.
Proof that humans... God's earthly children were created with free will.

Did sin somehow cancel out free will.
In the imagination of many, that is the case.
However, the Bible does not say that after sin came into the world through one man, that free will became obsolete.
Rather, the scriptures refer to man's free will, repeatedly.
Leviticus 1:3; 1 Corinthians 9:16-18 Deuteronomy 30:19; 2 Corinthians 9:7; Philemon 1:14

The Greek word hekousios - meaning free will, is the neuter of a derivative from hekon; voluntariness -- willingly, which is (an adjective, a primitive term) – properly, willing; "unforced, of one's own will, voluntary" (J. Thayer), i.e. acting on one's own accord. The root (hek-) emphasizes intentional, deliberate action (choice), i.e. "of free-will" (J. Thayer).
Please keep in mind that my comments about the "Will" are strictly in the moral/immoral context.

The definition of freewill in Greek that you have given above is an adjective, not a noun. It describes a certain type of action or choice that is uncoerced/voluntary.

Elsewhere, you identify a free will as a free agent. That term is describing a will in a state of equivocation between two masters and therefore is for all intents and purposes depicting an undecided soul in a state of equivocation ---> See doublemindedness, also understand why Jesus would say this ---> "You can't serve two masters".

Neither of these meanings are applicable to any description consistent with Adam being made with a free will. I can't actually comment on the scriptures you provided as 'proof' of a free will since the definitions of free will you provided are inconsistent. For the sake of clarity, you need to specify what the will is free from when you claim a free will.

The only coherent meaning of the term free will as a noun that I can see in scripture is a will qualified as free from sin. That would also be consistent with the free will that God gave Adam when he was created.
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Can man, without the light of faith, by his reason alone, know that God exists?

But enough that we are condemned for refusing to acknowledge it.
It looks like this whole topic/thread is not only distracting away from knowing Jesus, but may actually be preventing some souls from being saved, or trying to anyway.
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Former Trump Adviser John Bolton Criminally Indicted

Complete and utter lack of any evidence? People unfriendly to Trump have pointed out to various problems with it, including the left-wing Vox (which, while saying some of the conservative/Republican attacks on the conviction are excessive, acknowledges there are some legitimate things to take issue with).

I didn't vote for Trump, but I still think Bragg's prosecution against him appears highly questionable and fairly blatant lawfare. Given that, I'm not going to blame anyone for not finding those convictions a reason to not evote for him. The excesses of that case probably made a good number of people take the much more credible-looking Jack Smith prosecutions less seriously.
Yes, some do see problems with Trump's criminal fraud trial, but the fact remains: the jury found him guilty, and the judge did not vacate their decision. So it stands. If an appeals court in the future sees these legal issues as being significant enough to overturn the verdict, that, and only that, will indicate to me that these problems actually make a difference. I'm not a lawyer, nor do I have anywhere near the experience or knowledge of NY financial law to make a determination myself.

As to the lack of evidence, I stand by that. Legal theories and arguments are all well and good, but no one has yet been able to prove, with evidence, any actual misconduct or malfeasance in the case. And any claims of bias on the part of the judge are weakened by the sentence he imposed: an unconditional discharge. No punishment, no jail time, nothing. Not exactly the actions of someone out to get him.

I'll leave legal arguments to the appeals court, as I'm not qualified to evaluate them, but arguments are not evidence. And anyone claiming "lawfare" with this, or with James' civil case against Trump, has yet to provide any actual evidence of misconduct or malfeasance.

-- A2SG, and both guilty verdicts continue to stand....
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