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What are some of your guns own and use then for Hunting and target practice?

It’s more common in Germany and England. Hunting round, commercial ammo there. 93 gr bullets is a favorite for their small deer.. I’m fist going like shooting it over 3000 fps. It’s a rarity but dealers don’t want to give me more than $350 for it. They don’t think I should sell it for any more. But I paid more than that. But it hasn’t sold.
Is that like the 6X55 swede for power and performance then? As know that is a popular caliber overseas used for deer, elk, moose ,even bears
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DOJ wants to defend Christian students punished for opposing girl in boys' locker room

The U.S. Department of Justice is coming to the defense of two Virginia public high school students suspended earlier this year for speaking out against the presence of a female trans-identified student in the male locker room.

The Justice Department filed a motion to intervene on Monday in the case of S.W. et al. v. Loudoun County School Board, which centers on two Christian male students reportedly suspended after they objected to a girl who identifies as a boy in their locker room.

Loudoun County school officials "intentionally discriminated on the basis of religion in violation of the Equal Protection Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment," the administration lawyers contend.

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Obama care collapsing.....

What's wrong with that? That's the message Trump is sending continuously.
The grand Trump et al GOP plan is to provide seed money of $1,000 for people ages 18 to 49 and $1,500 for those 50 to 65 for people earning up to 700% of the poverty level for a Health Savings Account. The catch is, and wait for it, in order to get the pre-funded HSA, people would have to buy a bronze or catastrophic plan on an Obamacare exchange. Yes, the exchange they are trying to kill. It is a non solution solution. It is I guess that Trump plan to make healthcare better and cheaper "the likes no one has ever seen" he has had for the past 9 years.
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Immigrants Approved for Citizenship ‘Plucked Out’ of Line Moments Before Pledging Allegiance: Report

On topics where I disagree with the Administration, I push back quite hard with the same approach...but those topics on here are few and far between. I went hard on the anti-vaxxers during covid, I've pushed back on climate change denialism in the past. When Israel funding comes up, I criticize that... I'd be more in-line with the left on matters of campaign finance reform, and drug policy. Rewind a decade when gay marriage was the hot topic, I sided with the left on that.

Those topics don't pop up as much anymore

The thread content is heavily saturated with the topics of immigration and DEI related stuff as of late. I can't help it that 75% of the threads that come up happen to fall into the handful of topics where I have some overlap with the conservatives.
I was trying to give you the benefit of the doubt that you don’t agree with this administration’s current approach to immigration and are just playing devil’s advocate here but I guess that answers that.

These people did everything right. Waited in line. Paid the money. They’ve been vetted and verified by the government and were about to take an oath to the country that no natural born citizen is even required to make. There’s no reason to cancel their applications at that moment other than targeted cruelty.
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Trump Says US Will Permanently Pause Migration From 'Third World Countries'

No they are not. The fact they are illegal or legal is not entered, unless the jurisdiction actually asks and the person is honest. The peraon could lie and the jurisdiction does not collect their birth certificate.
When arrested police and I'm speaking of regular law enforcement ARREST ANYONE they ask QUESTIONS on the forms that they have to fill out. Information about the person they've arrested from name / to birth date / to address / to being a US citizen or not / whether they work or not / telephone number / etc, that should be common knowledge - they call it the BOOKING PROCESS. And those who lie about it or refuse to answer makes no difference. Definitely immigration and Federal law systems ask these questions.
If Questioned by Police, FBI, Customs Agents, or Immigration Officers - ACLU of Socal If Questioned by Police, FBI, Customs Agents, or Immigration Officers - ACLU of Socal

Then what was the point of saying Americans commit crime? It seems like you were arguing that it is no argument to say we shouldn't allow illegals in because they commit crime. I don't get your point then.

Then why mention it?
The point is Donald Trump main reasoning for his actions is to take out the criminal element of people who entered this country illegally. And how they are committing this crime that crime in every other crime as if it outweighs what legal Americans do. Also mentioning he's going after those with visas and green cards

Again what is your point in pointing out illegals do these jobs? How do you know Americans won't do them? Maybe Americans wont do them for the wages illegals will? If we get rid of the illegals maybe they would have to raise the wages to get Americans. Or at least the legal immigrants. It might actually force Congress to pass immigration reforms to allow legals in to work those jobs specifically.
People who enter this country illegally have been doing those jobs for decades. I've witnessed it and I've been around quite a while.

And then you say maybe Americans won't do it because of the wage, yes they are all low wage income jobs. Jobs that Blacks typically done for decades prior.
There Are No Jobs Americans Won’t Do There Are No Jobs Americans Won’t Do

Jobs Nobody Wants | PBS News Jobs Nobody Wants

Most Americans say immigrants mainly fill jobs US citizens don’t want | Pew Research Center A majority of Americans say immigrants mostly fill jobs U.S. citizens do not want

You were the one preaching how we as a country should follow scriptures. But I wonder if you really believe that or if its actually political for you. Because what I have found is so many who claim we should be taking in and helping people who cross our borders and want to use scripture as an admonition to do so, only want to use it for that purpose. They are not using scripture to support outlawing things that scripture says we shouldn't be doing.
Preaching if that's what you want to call it. I'm no politician! And NOWHERE DID I CLAIM that we should be taking in and helping people across the border. You see there are those who need help, really need help / there are those who act like they need help / and there are those who are just looking for a free ride and personally I cannot make that distinction so I Claim nothing..........But if the government of the US decides to take in immigrants, ((the few dollars I pay in taxes isn't worth a hill of beans,)) but when combined with the working class of the over 300 million people of this country, there are people that can be helped not only American born, or immigrants, but other countries too after all America claims to be the richest country in the world and America spends billions aiding other countries and millions of American citizens lack and live in poverty conditions, some by choice but most can't be helped.

If someone comes to me and need help and it's in my power to help them I will !!!! I cannot help a country.
You either want the governemnt to follow scriptural admonition on all things or you should keep it to yourself. The Bible is not a club only to be used for your pet political positions.
You can assume what you think I want !!! You can even say as you have I should keep it to myself BUT I can say what I want to say, you don't like it or don't agree with it, I don't care. You can't stop me from speaking what I choose to speak, and when I speak and I try to speak respectfully.

No one says the Bible is a club are uses it as a club and it's not my pet political position.
It is not a treatise for how government should operate. It was written to teach Chriatians how they ought to be in their personal lives and for how the church itself ought to govern itself.
I know what the God and his word teaches _ thank you very much.
According to scripture we are not supposed to lie to anyone. Do you think we ought to follow scripture and ask government for laws against all lying.

I used that to prove a point. That often those who want to use scripture for certain things are often politically motivated to do so and not really interested in being consistent. And homosexuality is a quick way to determine where they really are. In the past I have used adultery as an example as well. Don't get hung up on the fact I didn't list every sinful act. My point is bigger than that.
Don't get hung up on facts you say and yet you seem to as well as assumptions. I live in a world where there are 8 billion other human beings living in also, over 2 billion profess to be Christians. Christians as well as all others are sinners always has been and will be until they leave this earth, if there was no sin there would be no need for redemption. And again I am no politician, no I am I trying to prove a political point, it boils down to humanity to truths. There are politicians who are Christians and use or even miss use the word of God as a driving point, but that is few, when you calculate the number of politicians.

To be clear, when it comes to asking, wanting or supporting the governement in following a scriptural standard, then we should not use it only for certain things we want, but should use ALL of scripture and not just the pet ones we like. That goes for all of us. If I am going to say that we should outlaw homosexuality because the Bible says its bad, then I should also support big government welfare taking care of all poor. We either accept all of scripture being followed by government or none of it. Picking and choosing is political and hypocritical.
You say to be clear .... To be clear I don't have a pet political agenda. I speak for truth and what I have written is truth.

I personally do my best to follow the ways of my Lord God Yeshua and I mess up and repent daily.

I HAVEN'T picked and choose any Scripture to live by or not to live by / to do or not to do that is your assumption.
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Lutheran group leading Somali outreach in Minnesota warns against sharing the Gospel 'unless a person is dying'

The headline seems to misrepresent what Rev. Bato was saying. The article goes on to say:

When asked whether he believes the Gospel presentation is central to Somali outreach, Bato said, “For many Somalis, if you begin a conversation by immediately presenting the Gospel, the discussion ends before it begins. The person may shut down or walk away because of fear, cultural pressure, or past experiences.”
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Don Trump Tilts at Windmills: Rescinds All Offshore Wind Energy Areas in the US; current leases up for review

“This ban on wind projects was illegal, as this court has now declared. The administration should use this as a wake-up call, stop its illegal actions and get out of the way of the expansion of renewable energy,” said Kit Kennedy, the [Natural Resources Defense] council’s managing director for power, in a statement.


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Adam

Not sure about a metaphorical Adam but there is a less literal Adam interpretation. Not everyone see Adam as living to 930 after being specially created in 4004 BCE. Some put it at 5500 BCE or 3700 BCE based on greek and jewish texts. I place Adam on a timeline at about 10,000 BCE as that's the most plausible time on the standard history timeline for Adam. By 4004 BCE humans had cities that would be impressive in our post modern times.

Of course this interpretation would also support the hypothesis of pre-adamic men. Those individuals aren't necessarily theologically important to us. Life was a cruel and inflexible icescape before 9650 BCE.
I understand the allegorical meaning and the ages have something to do with prophecy.
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Episcopal priest charged with stealing $300K fights removal from priesthood

An Episcopal priest who has been accused of stealing around $300,000 from a Texas church is appealing a ruling that removes him from the priesthood.

Edward Monk, who was charged last year with allegedly stealing from St. John's Episcopal Church of Corsicana, has appealed his removal from ministry. A Court of Review is slated to hear arguments on Wednesday.

An earlier diocesan hearing panel found Monk guilty of "conduct unbecoming a member of the clergy" over six financial infractions, reported Episcopal News Service.

According to church court documents, Monk's appeal argues that the hearing was a "sham" and that he was not given sufficient opportunity to defend himself from the allegations.

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I hold a view similar to the Open View of God.

You're focusing on the wrong thing. "There is no plan B" means my choices are already decided, which also means that I have no choice or free will. The two are the same. I only think I have a choice, because God fools me into believing that, because my brain is pre-wired to believe that. If I turn left or right God already knows which way I will turn. If I debate and change my mind, God already knows I will debate which way to turn. That turns us into a simulation, no better than a robot that cannot escape its programming.
You take that for axiomatic, just as, I'm guessing, you would take that "the command implies the ability to obey". (—It does not). If your choices are decided by God, it does not imply that you do not really choose. In fact, I think it is more obvious, since God is First Cause, that your choices are only real if God "establishes" them. (See the WCF 3.1) That you are not the prime mover in your choices does not deny that you are the immediate cause in your choices.


There is no rebellion by man. There is no love of God. Breaking commandments or keeping them is irrelevant. It is pre-decided whether I will repent or not. But in reality, I have nothing to repent from. My fate and actions were decided for me long before I was ever conceived. In this scenario there is only one entity to judge, and that would be God.
False as the day is long. You continue in your notion of man as prime mover in his deeds. You indeed do WILL to do what you do, and that, by what you deem more advantageous or desirous. You choose according to your inclinations.

Let me try to point out something. God not only has the right and the ability to cause absolutely everything to happen just as it does. But any truth there is to our skewed views (and descriptions) of who chooses what and why the do so does not approach the level at which reality [itself] is caused to exist. Even if you are entirely right in the POV from which you try to describe how choice operates, you must admit that God caused it. That reality did not cause itself, nor did it exist before God showed up "on the scene". Nothing existed before God. He did not "show up".

But he also is absolutely pure and of himself holy. If he deigned to create a particular people to love, and for that particular purpose to create all that we consider 'reality', he has every reason to demand of them absolute purity and holiness, even knowing that they cannot (or will not, if you prefer) reach that level in this life. The law of righteousness is beyond any of us to accomplish. But it is not beyond the grace of God to accomplish in us. Christ is our substitute. And that is how we are made 'alive' in him. WE are not the cause of our inclusion in Christ, the mediator between God and [fallen] man.

That believers must and do actually choose Christ is not debated. That we do have real, valid, faith by which we are saved is also not debated. But the source of those things absolutely is at issue here.
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Georgia Man shot at young shopper outside Lowe’s he thought was stealing. He thought he should be rewarded, witness says

Let me check on what gun owners think about this.

The usual attitude is that you don't shoot at people running away from shoplifting.

The store has insurance for merchandise. You might hit someone else. You won't get a medal for heroism.

You're going to pay tens of thousands for a lawyer even if you get off.

And you're probably not going to get off.

As a Concealed Carry permit owner I make sure I understand my state's laws (or any state's laws where I am visiting and permitted to carry a concealed weapon) as well as the Use of Force Continuum. I know in my state (and I am sure most or all of the others) you cannot use deadly force to defend/protect property, and certainly not someone else's property. A person's legal use of deadly force in my state depends on the totality of the circumstances which includes the level of force the "bad guy" is using or attempting to use.

Sadly, I feel even trying to have a basic understanding of these things is beyond most Americans today as it will require more than bare minimum use of their brains and some actual thinking and analysis. Although I am obviously pro-2nd Amendment I am not sure most Americans have the maturity or intellectual capacity to own a firearm today.
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I have a question and I’m confused

In London, a Baptist church might well be the only convenient option (if you were a conservative Anglo Catholic or High Church, there would be more options, but on the Reformed end of the spectrum, options are particularly limited, and of course the United Reformed Church which absorbed almost all Congregationalist and Presbyterian churches is far to the left of the C of E even now, being at least on a par with the Scottish Episcopal Church - alas, in Scotland a traditional Anglican would be out of luck.
Yes, thank goodness for Baptists
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For those who are gamers, how do you handle Christian Ethics vs gaming?

I cannot wait until Gate Zero comes out. I've had it on my wishlist for some time.
I have created a criteria to base my future gaming off of.

Must be MMO or persistent multiplayer
Absolutely no non-Christian deity worship or deity-sourced powers (no gods, pantheons, altars, blessings, priests, divine magic, etc.)
No furry / anthro / beast race options (playable or major NPCs)
Arcane or learned magic is fine
Elemental / natural magic is fine
PvE-friendly content required (safe zones, PvE servers, or opt-in PvP only)
Crafting, building, or housing systems (the deeper the better)
Active playerbase in 2025 (not dead or <100 concurrent)
Actually released and playable now (or very close with confirmed global date)

I've been doing some research and have came up with these games that interest me.
War of Rights
Star Citizen
Albion Online
Myth of Empires
Corepunk
Avorion
…and Bellatores on the 2026 watchlist. English will be supported in the full release but is not supported in closed beta.

I am still researching to enhance my list of possible games to try out. The list might not be perfect and I still trying to refine it and might have to trim something out. Maybe one of them will actually work out.

Man's doctrine may change, but God does not.
Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever. - Hebrews 13:8
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RFK Adjusts Hepatitis B Vaccine Recommendations; Democrats Lose Their Minds

My parents were born in the 1920's. My Grandparents in the 1890's. According to both my mother, and statistics, if anyone cares to look, it was not uncommon at all for families to lose at least one child under the age of one year, and even under 5 to disease, back in the early 20th century. Now look at today's statistics as we have herd immunity to many things. Of course lack of antibiotics and better medical care play into this too, but just look at pictures of children in an iron lung pre-polio vaccine, if you want to know if the polio vaccine is worth it.
The Hepatitis B vaccines for newborns was never mandated, only recommended. That means parents could refuse it before, so I don't understand why this new recommendation. It is just another sign to me that RF jr is unfit for this postion, and should never have been confirmed. Keep in mind also that most children including children as young as 3 months old go to daycare these days, as opposed to when I was growing up.
Babies have far less immunity to Hep B, and also Hep B is not like Hep C which is only transmitted by sexual contact or blood transfusions.
Hepatitis B can live on surfaces in room temperature for several days and can be transmitted to infants by relatives, in day care etc.
All they did was adjust our recommendations to match those of most of Europe and many other civilized countries, spare us the fearmongering.
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Thailand-Cambodia fighting rages on as Trump signals intent to intervene

  • Summary
  • Trump says he can stop war
  • Thai PM says mediation should be done through proper process
  • Cambodia pulls athletes from SEA Games on safety grounds
  • Malaysian PM says he spoke to Cambodian, Thai leaders
BANGKOK/PHNOM PENH, Dec 10 (Reuters) - Thailand and Cambodia traded accusations of targeting civilians in artillery and rocket attacks on Wednesday, as U.S. President Donald Trump said he would try to intervene to stop the fighting and salvage a ceasefire he brokered earlier this year.
Clashes raged at more than a dozen locations along their 817-km (508-mile) border in some of the most intense fighting since a five-day battle in July, which Trump stopped with calls to both leaders to halt their worst conflict in recent history.

The Southeast Asian neighbours have blamed each other for the clashes that started on Monday.

Trump dispenses with trials, orders military strike on alleged Venezuelan drug-trafficking boat (Now up to 2, 3, 4...)

'It's done': House Armed Services chair ends probe into boat strike

"It's done," Rep. Mike Rogers, R-Ala., told reporters on Tuesday. "I've got all the answers I needed."

Rogers had previously pledged with Democrat Rep. Adam Smith, D-Wash., "rigorous oversight" of the Sept. 2 strike following The Washington Post report last month.

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