JAM2b said:

A lot of shows I used to watch are available on streaming so that's been nice.

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I want to know why there are no streaming services that offer Little House on the Prairie or The Waltons.

Dale said:

You have hit the nail on the head here.

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Cheers.

I was thinking primarily of the Old Testament when I said that Scripture is not history. … It is true that the Gospel of Luke is considered to have good historical information in it. We don’t know exactly what year Jesus was born or crucified, so the Gospels are uncertain on that point. The usual figure given is that Jesus was born in 4 BC and crucified in AD 29, but that is not certain.

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We can be uncertain about a particular date for an event without denying its historicity. I would say that we are uncertain about the exact dates of basically 99% of historical people, places, and events. Uncertainty dominates historical knowledge.

Even when we get past Genesis, it is difficult to [reconcile] biblical events with what we know from other sources. Some claim that the Pharaoh confronted by Moses in Exodus was Ramses II, but this is far from certain.

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I suspect the misalignment is because the dates for the patriarchs is off by a thousand years.

Later, the “treasures of the Temple” were taken by Pharoah Shishek, but no one can identify Pharoah Shishek with any Pharoah known to Egyptologists.

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I think you might be mistaken here. Pharaoh Shishak (1 Kgs 11:40; 14:25-26; 2 Chron 12:2-9) is securely identified by Egyptologists as Shoshenq I, founder of Egypt’s 22nd Dynasty (r. ca. 945–924 BCE).

Ora pro nobis! Thanks for sharing!

Thanks for posting! I try to do this every year!

May Mother Mary intercede for the deceased and all those who mourn! May God keep them in the palm of his hand!

Bob Crowley said:

It's breaking news but there have been multiple shootings at Bondi Beach in Sydney, Australia.

Live: Police responding to reports of active shooter at Bondi Beach

The public is being urged to avoid the area and two people are in custody. Follow live.

www.abc.net.au

The death and injury toll is as yet unkown.

Two suspects have been arrested but not identified. I'll bet a pound to a penny that they are Moslems.

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How sad.

BobRyan said:

Sad that when someone dies you think the Bible truths they promoted die with them. But you have free will of course

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You mean the guys who affirm that Sunday is the Sabbath? The thing that you vehemently disagree with?

Perhaps you should rethink the consistency of your list

Michie said:

When two men opened fire on crowds gathered Sunday to celebrate Hanukkah on Bondi Beach in Australia, one man stepped in to stop it. Ahmed al-Ahmed, 43, took on one of the shooters and wrestled him to the ground, preventing the death of potentially many more people.

The world watched in horror as the massacre unfolded, all caught on film. Yet along with the indiscriminate murder of Jewish men, women and children, the remarkable courage of a Muslim man to save lives has also been documented for all to see. Now the footage has been verified, and the man has been identified as a local father of two young girls who runs a fruit shop.

His parents told ABC News that their son was having coffee with a friend in Bondi when he heard gunshots, and went to intervene.

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Muslim man hailed as hero after wrestling Bondi attacker with his bare hands

When two men opened fire on crowds gathered to celebrate Hanukkah on Bondi Beach in Australia, one man stepped in to stop it Ahmed al-Ahmed, 43, took on one of the shooters and wrestled him to the

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Praying for peace for all!

John G. said:

I carry Halls throat drops with me and pop a couple during the service. They help some, but not a lot, with singing the hymns.
I got my eyes tested and changed glasses last month but it didn't make a difference.

The thing is, I knew people who attended church well into their nineties and here I am, two decades younger than that, and I'm having problems!

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I'm nearly 80.

Paleouss said:

Greetings again sambas

I presume your second paragraph is a support for the verse above it. If not, then my apologies. It appears you are suggesting that the Luke 24:44 verse, when it says "the law of Moses, the books of the prophets, and the Psalms", means to include 1 Enoch. But I don't know of any support for this. Could you give me your source so I might study this inclusion of 1 Enoch into what Luke wrote in Luke 24:44?


Peace to you brother

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I said it excluded 1 enoch. Jesus was referencing this canon list which is our now protestant OT

you can find the same canon list in Eusebius and other early christian writings (ask chat gpt).

stevevw said:

You know I sort of believe the unknown independents who actually go out on site and show the evidence first hand. Its good that there are independents who can bypass all that gatekeeping now and show us the truth.
Lol yeah I know. Thats the problem. Like Hawass who gatekeeps a lot of evidence he does not want released.

The very fact that independents can show obvious evidence that is claimed to not exist or show obvious contradictions in the narrative is the evidence that theres no convincing some.

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I don't know if you could describe your wrong-headed thinking and poor understanding of science anymore clearly.

The *POINT* of peer review (and gatekeeping) is to check ones thinking. To challenge claims. It has nothing to do with protecting the orthodoxy.

Your "independents" aren't credible because they *don't* challenge their own claims, methods, etc. They are the ones who are afraid to have their work checked, not Hawass.

Paleouss said:

Greetings to you samaus, I hope your week is beginning well.

The title of your thread is Maccabees no prophets. You then quote 1 Maccabees which shows us that the Jews of that time believed that the prophets had ceased to be sent by God. This in turn supports our own reading of the Bible that God had put an end to all prophets, dreams and visions until the coming of Elijah. That time span would then be around 400 B.C. to the coming of John the Baptist and Jesus.

But you then turn to this (below)...


So let me ask this...
(1) If we read that God told us through the Scripture that there would be no more prophets or visions until the coming of Elijah...
(2) ...and in historical writings we see that the Jews of the time actually thought the same thing (so its not some modern day reading)...
(3) ... but then you say that there was in fact prophecies before the coming of Elijah...
(4) ... is God shown to be a liar?

Now I would presume that you would not in fact be calling God a lair. But it does seem that you have a problem with what appears to be a most reasonable reading of God's promise (one even the Jews of the times held) and what you say you believe.

Am I missing something?

Peace to you brother

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when did God say number 1? The Judeans in Maccabees thought that but I know of no saying from God saying I will stop prophecy at Malachi. Jesus said the law, and prophets were until John the baptist (around 30 AD) so according to Jesus they could continue up until his time.

the people you call scholars actually believe the internal date of psalms of solomon 48bc- 1ad and date the original composition to that time period. i dont know why they dont reject the internal date and make up a fable as to how it was written much later aka pseudepigrapha like they do with the majority of other biblical texts

Good! Praying Planned Parenthood gets shutdown for good in my lifetime!

Love shopping at Hobby Lobby and love their Christian based values! Good for them!

Interesting. I wonder what Orwell would think about this if he was alive today? Hmmm….

com7fy8 said:

So, then, do not give him respect which is fake. But honor him in order to encourage him to do what is good. Be a good example.

"Do not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good." (Romans 12:21)

Whatever God knows is "good" is what this means. This means what is possible with God.

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Define honor. We don't honor evil.

God HATES the workers of iniquity.

Wow! God is so good! I’m very surprised and grateful to hear this!

Hail Mary,
Full of Grace,
The Lord is with thee.
Blessed art thou among women,
and blessed is the fruit
of thy womb, Jesus.
Holy Mary,
Mother of God,
pray for us sinners now,
and at the hour of our death.
Amen

May God comfort those who mourn and grant the dead eternal rest in his kingdom! Amen!

Wolseley said:

"And you shall be hated by all men for My Name's sake.....if they persecuted Me, they will also persecute you."

(Matthew 10:22, John 15:20)

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Yup. Saying sin is sin is not hate nor it is discrimination. Too bad lgbt et al cannot understand that. Sigh

Praying more adults stay and our youth gets properly catechized!

Praying for you!

Paleouss said:

Greetings again saumus. Peace and hope to you brother.

As I reminder, I do think that the Holy Scriptures attests to the coming of fallen angels in physical form and were put into chains for this offense. I think we find this evidence in some of the Bible verses you have quoted in some of your other threads.

I am going to agree with you on one point in this thread...but not in the way you probably want me to agree.

Genesis 6:4 does refer to fallen angels. It, by the way, is the only reference to fallen angels in all of Genesis 6:1-4. That direct reference is... "Nephilim" meaning "fallen" in Hebrew.

So the "fallen" (meaning fallen angels) were on the earth...when? In those days and afterward...what days? The days when the sons of God went to the daughter so men and had children by them...who were these children? They were the heroes of old, men of renown (notice the word "men")...what heroes does this reference? This is written by Moses referring to heroes of old and renown compared to his time...who are these heroes specifically? Heroes like Nimrod, etc. Who were "of old and of renown for killing" in Moses' time.

So we agree that Genesis 6:4 makes reference to fallen angels. However, no cultural fable from the Book of Enoch that angels procreated with human women is verified in Genesis 6:1-4.


Regarding your quote about the book of Enoch

Some points...
1. The Book of Enoch is a collection of writings put together over time.
2. The Book of Enoch claims, internally, to be written by Enoch himself, but in fact was written by multiple authors separated by many years.

3. The Essenes were said to have received "visions" from angels during the Intertestamental Period when God had decreed there would be no more visions.

4. The authors of the writings that were compiled are all unknown. Which is common of the times since all Jews knew the proclamation that there would be no more visions and prophets and and the writers would be killed if they put their names on it.

Keep seeking God's truth as if it were hidden treasure

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6 When human beings began to increase in number on the earth and daughters were born to them, 2 the sons of God saw that the daughters of humans were beautiful, and they married any of them they chose. 3 Then the Lord said, “My Spirit will not contend with[a] humans forever, for they are mortal[b]; their days will be a hundred and twenty years.”

4 The Nephilim were on the earth in those days—and also afterward—when the sons of God went to the daughters of humans and had children by them. They were the heroes of old, men of renown.

It is set in the pre flood world so 'those days' meant pre flood is when the nephilim existed. sons of God are angels (job 1:6, 1 Enoch, Jude and peter) daughters of men are human women. 'and afterward' either means after the angels came down in the days of jared so still pre flood or could even mean after the flood again. the heroes of old men of renown were the giants/nephilim or the fallen angels that became flesh

1 enoch is not a fable

1 enoch was all written pre flood internally and according to jude.
you have not a shred of evidence any part of 1 enoch was written after the flood. 'scholars say' is not evidence. go away and find that alleged evidence you think 'scholars' however you define that word, have rather than referencing someone else's alleged evidence
3 the people you call 'scholars' actually believe 1 enoch and jubilees written before the qumran sect arose (150bc). they date the original composition of 1 enoch to 300bc by unknown israelites and jubilees to 175bc.

the sectarian documents in the dss are not inspired i believe. the sect clearly had no clue what they were talking about based on their commentaries on a number of OT books which they interpreted to be about themselves when really it was about events in the 500s,600s, 700s bc (assyrian babylonian periods).

they realised God wanted humans to follow a 364 day calendar (1 enoch pre flood jubilees at moses time) and were going back to that rather than the lunisolar calender in the torah. it was too late as the messiah was about to come though. sons of light was themselves and the sons of darkness was the evil israelites in the jerusalem temple that used the torah calendar. the qumran sect was the original hebrew roots movement (the book of jubilees)
4 the internal author of 1 enoch is easy to know as the text says i enoch multiple times and i saw 50+ times. plus noah wrote a section and mehtuslah or lamech plus jude said' enoch 7th from adam'. genesis apocryphon said abraham read enoch to ppl in egypt, another DSS says levi handed enoch to his sons. there is no mass conspiracy. the texts were written at the time they said they were. I believe all the evidence from before 70 ad. i know the literature on 1 enoch like charlesworth (christian) vanderkam (may or may not be christian) nicklesburg (may not be christian), rh charles (christian) and i know they have no evidence it is pseudepigrapha.


Jude 6 And the angels who did not keep their positions of authority but abandoned their proper dwelling—these he has kept in darkness, bound with everlasting chains for judgment on the great Day

2 peter 2 4 For if God did not spare angels when they sinned, but sent them to hell,[a] putting them in chains of darkness[b] to be held for judgment; 5 if he did not spare the ancient world when he brought the flood on its ungodly people, but protected Noah, a preacher of righteousness, and seven others
Notice 2 peter is specifically set in the pre flood world. both jude and peter are referring to the angels that came down in enochs time had sex with women created the giants/nephilim and were put in chains for 70 generation (jesus time) because of it.

So i can either believe Jesus, Jude, Peter, Enoch, Noah, Lamech, Abraham, Levi or James Charlesworth/Rh Charles/other famous university teachers that are Christian that teach 1 Enoch is a myth. I believe the first lot of people not the second.

essentialsaltes said:

Supreme Court declines to hear appeal on Texas book ban case that allows officials to remove objectionable books from libraries​

Sam Helmick, president of the American Library Association, said the Supreme Court’s decision not to consider the case “threatens to transform government libraries into centers for indoctrination instead of protecting them as centers of open inquiry, undermining the First Amendment right to read unfettered by viewpoint-based censorship.”

Texans will be protected from texts like They Called Themselves the K.K.K: The Birth of an American Terrorist Group, by Susan Campbell Bartoletti

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Well? I doubt anyone is reading that obscure book anyway. I don’t like book banning or censorship but i also understand why some material needs to be age appropriate. I guess I have overall mixed feelings? I dunno.