Everything I said is correct. Revelation is in chronological order, and Rev 13-22 is future. The new Jerusalem coming down to new physical heavens and earth, final judgement lake of fire in rev 20-22 is future still. Rev 13-22 won't happen until 4400-4500 AD based on 1 Enochs 10,000 year starting at creation 5500 BC prophecy.
Whatever the abomination of desolation was mentioned by Jesus happened 70 AD. He was referencing the one in Dan 9, and 12 both ended 70 AD. Dan 8 ended in Maccabees, and Dan 11 ended before 70 AD whenever it was. . The man of sin in Thes had to happen before 70 AD whatever it was. The believers body is the temple of God now.
The language about mountains is found in the old testament too. Paste 1 Enoch 1:1-9 into chat GPT, and ask it to show all the same language from the OT. In some cases it is metaphor for judgement other cases literal eg earthquakes the day Jesus died, and more leading up to 70 AD. All the stuff chat GPT will show was about the Babylonian or Maccabean judgements in the OT but some was about 70 AD too. Jesus about 70 AD-
Luke 21:22 NIV
For this is the time of punishment in fulfillment of all that has been written.

There are NO issues with what I said. Rev 13-22 is future still.
Christians are supposed to love neighbor, and God help the poor sick needy etc or teach the bible preach. Not supposed to love money and focus on worldly gain.
The last kingdom of Daniel 2, and 7 is still future. It overlaps with Rev 13. It is the country "Israel", and the mark of the beast is the hexagram.

BPPLEE said:

I don't know if any of the strikes were lawful. It seems to depend on who you ask

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I'm talking about the "double tap" to finish off survivors. For the military that is flat-out unlawful.

o_mlly said:

Belief in things unseen seems to be the problem.

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God doesn't seem to think so:

Hebrews 11:1 Now faith is the assurance of things hoped for, the conviction of things not seen.

Fortunately, evolutionary theory is based on evidence of confirmed predictions of the theory. Would you like to learn about some of those?

How could an Israelite be saved by the Old Covenant Law? The Old Covenant was never about salvation. All the Law could do was point out sin. Only Jesus saves.

How are Jews who have not accepted Jesus any different than the rest of humanity? Gal3:
19 Why, then, was the law given at all? (to Israel) It was added because of transgressions until the Seed to whom the promise referred had come. The law was given through angels and entrusted to a mediator. 20 A mediator, however, implies more than one party; but God is one.

21 Is the law, therefore, opposed to the promises of God? Absolutely not! For if a law had been given that could impart life, then righteousness would certainly have come by the law. 22 But Scripture has locked up everything under the control of sin, so that what was promised, being given through faith in Jesus Christ, might be given to those who believe.

In Matt 5, we read that Jesus came to fulfill (bring an end) the prophecies concerning His coming. In the same sentence, he also claimed the same for the Law. Doesn't that mean that during His time on Earth He ratified the New Covenant? The New Covenant then had to supersede the Sinai covenant. The Sinai covenant could not save one soul. It could only point out sin. Every living soul can hear the Word and claim the promises that Jesus made in the New and better Covenant. The Old Sinai Covenant is now history. No one is subject to a covenant that ended at Calvary.

To all who believe they are still under the guidance of the old covenant I would point you to Gal5:21 But now apart from the law the righteousness of God has been made known, to which the Law and the Prophets testify. 22 This righteousness is given through faith in Jesus Christ to all who believe. There is no difference between Jew and Gentile, 23 for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, 24 and all are justified freely by his grace through the redemption that came by Christ Jesus. 25 God presented Christ as a sacrifice of atonement, through the shedding of his blood—to be received by faith. He did this to demonstrate his righteousness, because in his forbearance he had left the sins committed beforehand unpunished— 26 he did it to demonstrate his righteousness at the present time, so as to be just and the one who justifies those who have faith in Jesus.

What good would it be for Jews to still under laws that Jesus brought to an end? Gentiles are not under those Law, and we find Jesus.

Say it aint so said:

Did how did I know what article and authors were referenced? Prophecy?

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I was referring to the article that I posted which you quoted. I am also referring to the article which said 500 Minnesota government workers are whistleblowers about the billions dollars fraud committed by Somalians in Minnesota.

You can’t get married? It’s getting cold I guess.

Now I wait to see how long it takes for someone to blame Trump.

Evening everyone. Got a cat scan tomorrow and getting ready to go to bed. I’d appreciate prayers for a good result. Thank you!

ThatRobGuy said:

I was referring to Ohio State University.

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You must not be an alum. You left out the "The".

ThatRobGuy said:

...or like that one Florida political event that had (in big bold letters) "Pubic Safety" instead of "Public Safety"?

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If Trump is nearby, that is important too.

To put it simply, it's because

el3venS1x said:

I've been thinking about the stark contrast between Christianity and Nazism, yet I've noticed that some people seem to conflate the two. One promotes love, forgiveness, and humility, while the other is rooted in hatred, domination, and prejudice.

Context: One prays, the other preys.

How is it possible for individuals to draw parallels between these two ideologies? Could it be due to historical misinterpretations, propaganda, or a misunderstanding of faith itself? I'd love to hear your thoughts on this confusing juxtaposition.

• What examples can you share that highlight these misconceptions?
• How can we better educate others on the true message of Christianity in light of such conflation?
• What role do you think social media plays in perpetuating these misunderstandings?

Looking forward to a thoughtful discussion!
el3venS1x (Dell)

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To put it simply, it's because satan wants to conflict the idea of us Christians being part of the new world by God's grace and thinking that people can earn their salvation to try to earn bringing a new heaven and earth by our own will. Also for some strange reason, it appears that satan's idea of "Nazism" is being pushed around a lot instead of just being honest about what national socialism was in Germany and how that effected the world at the time. Also, in the purist sense of the term "Christian Nationalism" is technically necessary for today since I think it a good thing for people in society to be proud of being a part Zion/Israel/Jerusalem/God's Holy City by God's Will.

Given the latest economic data, I suppose that for Trump, no news is good news.

BCP1928 said:

I think almost all countries have a Constitution. The thing that actually enables totalitarian states of the left or the right and irrespective of religion, is single party rule.

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There is an obscure island off the coast of France that doesn't have one.

DamianWarS said:

Before Moses read the book of the covenant in v7 (the reference is in Ex 24 not 34) v3 "Moses came and told the people all the words of the Lord and all the judgments. And all the people answered with one voice and said, “All the words which the Lord has said we will do.”". These are all the words in Ex 20-23. So what part of of 20-23 is of God and which parts are of Moses?

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This was addressed in post #863 the clear Scripture breaks this down for us.

DamianWarS said:

I'm not "adding to the 10" the 10 still remain 10 but the point is they do not act alone and are a part of a greater covenant.

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If no more was added to the Ten Commandments Deut5:22 and told its the whole law, so how are they part of a “greater covenant”. No more added means they are the greater covenant all by Itself without man having to make it complete.

DamianWarS said:

You have too many posts you've left uncommented regarding this passage but keep on going like it doesn't matter. Do you really want to properly go back and address the jots and tittles? Jesus was speaking of the Torah and the prophets (as he said so in v17) and jots and tittles are a strong indicator he is also speaking of scrolls of the Torah written with an later script that perfectly matches the expression over the tablets which are written with an archaic script that does completely doesn't fit the expression.

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That’s interesting considering so much Scriptures I have posted has not been addressed. I typically will not address commentary.
Most of your posts have been just been your own commentary, I do not view commentary as the same as Scriptures.

I have addressed Mat5:17-30 many times. Basically all we need to do is read it just as Jesus speaks and allow Him to define which law He is speaking about, and not add our words like Jesus ever writing in scrolls with ink which is not in our Bibles, plus He already promised jots and tittles from the scrolls written with ink would end. Dan9:27 Heb10:1-10 2Cor3:3 so obviously that can’t be the Law He speaks of.

He quoted directly from the Law He was referring to from Ten Commandments and fulfilled what He promised to do Isa 42:21 magnify His righteous and eternal laws which He gave clear examples of Him doing so using two of the commandments from the Ten Commandments so no need to lean on our own understanding the Law He was referring to Mat5:19-30. And this Law was written on stone by God Himself Exo31:18 If a law was going to be eternal without editing, would it be one written by the Holy Spirit , God’s own written and spoken Testimony, or the laws written by man on paper. Sad this is even a debate. I think man has been taught to lower the works of God, where mans word are equal and above God’s when it comes to His holy, righteous and perfect law. It’s not an argument I will ever understand. People say in one breath thats not true but spend every post debating against the Law of God or trying to edit it, exactly what God told us not to, not a jot or tittle, God will not alter the words of His covenant Psa89:34 Deut4:13 Deut5:22 , because God means what He says and makes no mistakes, man does. This is what we need to understand and change our perspective. Not change the law of God to suit our lifestyle, that has never worked out for anyone in Scripture, Jesus tells us it won’t work out at His Second Coming Mat5:19-30 Mat7:21-23 Rev 2:14-15

I have supported my arguments with Scriptures, I am going to stick with that and move on and leave it as agree to disagree.

The title is from the Wall Street Journal, and the article there goes into the details of how the Russian/USA negotiations over Ukraine went down. Sorry that article is behind the paywall for non-subscribers ,so this Forbes article summarizes parts of it. Here is the WSJ link, you can get a few articles for free if you register.


Of course now there are reports that Russia and Ukraine cannot yet agree on the territory to be ceded. The EU too is also upset as the deal leaves them out concerning teh future of Ukraine. Of course the deal negotiated by Russian and the USA could create peace at least for some time but the land area seems to be a sticking point. The future also has alleged cooperation possibilities between Russia and the USA to share business interests in frozen Russian assets, the rebuilding of Ukraine and Antarctica among others.

The meetings were attended by Jared Kushne, Steve Witkoff, and Kirill Dmitriev. These poeple are far more financial than diplomatic, but the point is that they worked on this as a way to make money, while at the same time as stopping the war. I can't judge myself if this is diabolical, but it does present the possibility of all kinds of conflict of interests. As one WSJ commentor pointed out if you follow the logic it does not seem to add up:

"Putin strategy?

1. Invade
2. Gain Donetsk
3. Lose 1M soldiers
4. Use business deals as off ramp"

The WSJ attributes Dmitriev as suggesting "There were no limits to what two longtime adversaries could achieve." Even suggesting they could do joint missions in space, even bringing in SpaceX an Elon Musk company.

While this might sound innoccous to some Americans the point is that it was a deal for two; USA and Russia. Sure it stops the war in Ukraine, but it leaves the EU out, and even China to an extent to focus on one thing: making money. The article has drawn quite a bit of attention and just hours ago we see that Russia and Ukraine look far apart on this deal.

So lots of implications here for prayerful considerations.
The future relationship between the USA and the EU.
The ending or expansion of the war in Ukraine.
The use of the 200 billion or so of Russian asssets that are frozen in Brussels
The real goals of Putin and Trump
The role of the love of money and power in politics.

P.S. A couple of tidy-ups:

reBoot said:

"For this cause ought the woman to have power on her head because of the angels." (verse 10)

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The citation is from 1 Cor. 11:10.

There is a theory that the wives of Noah's sons may have carried perverted DNA from before the flood...

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However, scripture tells us that Noah's genealogy was untainted: "These are the generations of Noah: Noah was a just man and perfect in his generations, and Noah walked with God." (Gen. 6:9). Perfect does not mean sinless; perfect refers not to Noah's behavior (e.g. the guy got drunk), but to the genetic status of his descendants.

And the need to tie this back to the OP:

Are there demons who are partly human?​

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That which is corrupted is not eligible for salvation. No resurrected believer will hold anything in common with devils. (It was never intended that devils/demons would be eligible for salvation anyway.)

Finally, Jesus Christ told us that his return would be like it was in the days of Noah:

"the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?...But as the days of Noah were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. (Mat. 24:1, 37-39)

IOW, malevolent beings will once again be walking the earth, doing the same things they were doing at the time of the flood. Are you ready?

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Dave... said:

For the most part, yes, but there are distinctions. I made a second post that specifically dealt with Covenant instead of Testament. It's still awaiting moderator approval. Is this normal for all new members to need every post approved?

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Not too sure about that procedure.

Because while the New Testament indeed began with the death of Christ, it does not follow that the New Covenant also began then.

It will be clearer if you read Hebrews 9 in the KJV, they differentiate between covenant and testament correctly.

And if you recall the Old covenant of Law, it started not when Moses was given the 10 commandments at Mount Sinai, it only started after the nation of Israel collectively agreed to fulfill the requirements at Exodus 24.

You quoted Pauline scripture in your posts but they are not referring to the Body of Christ under the New covenant.

Paul never said we are under Israel's new covenant, instead, he made it clear that those covenants belong to Israel (Romans 9:4).

CoreyD said:

Isn't that like me making a game with porn, and giving the player the option to choose whether or not they want to see nudity or not?
Do you see a difference?

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Actually there is a hidden version of the game that is more explicit. It quotes Ezekiel 23 including verse 20 which I think could be considered pornographic (if the language is more literal like the NIRV rather than using euphemisms in the translation). It is $1 which limits it to people with access to payment systems and you need certain options enabled.

CoreyD said:

Groans and wailing leave it to the imagination of the audience, just as two people kissing, but the audience cannot see their lips, or two people naked under the covers, but the audience cannot tell if they have on underwear or not.
When we look at how things are censored, we get the idea that the makers are considering their audience, since they are not catering to people that love things that are shocking.

You know whom you are catering to, John, don't you?

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Well the title is "Brutal Bible Bloodbaths" and the capsule shows a woman being sliced open vertically. If it didn't deliver blood and gore they might feel disappointed. Though on the other hand there is the option to turn off the blood and gore where they have a Y or N choice at the warning screen.
Also I got a negative review from a Christian about the lack of suffering. I don't want to get any more of those negative reviews. I wanted to point out that you aren't the target market.

CoreyD said:

...There are ways to make a game, or movie of the Bible without being graphic, and still let the audience know something is sinful, or some form of punishment has taken place.
Movie makers do it all the time.

It's usually up to the developer what they want to be seen, or not seen... promoted, or not promoted. Isn't that so?

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Well I wanted to have a different approach to regular games about the Bible. I think the passages are shocking so the gameplay reflects that - in a cartoonish way (a bit like South Park). If the graphics were photorealistic it would be more shocking.

samaus123456789 said:

Yeh I tried on a different browser not logged in, and nothing came up so I assume it takes some time to show up to others.

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Yes, I can't see it yet .. maybe a permission problem still? Anyway, looking forward to reading it Be blessed .. !

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Glad to see you DAVE ~~

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In Him...We were chosen in Him. One time was Jesus chosen. When we are in Him we are chosen with Him.

Jesus Christ, the second person of our triune God – Father, Son, and Holy Spirit – left his throne in heaven, came to earth, and took on human flesh in being born as a baby to a virgin woman, but conceived of the Holy Spirit, and not of man. So he was not born with a sin nature as we are. And while he lived on the earth he was fully human and fully God (God incarnate), and he never sinned. And at the age of 30 he began his earthly ministry. And so he called 12 men to be his disciples and to work alongside him in ministry.

During his 3 to 3 ½ years of ministry on the earth, he healed the sick and afflicted, raised the dead, delivered people from demons, fed the hungry, comforted the sorrowful, and he performed many miracles. He also taught the critical importance of repentance for salvation from sin and for eternal life with God. And repentance, which is gifted to us by God along with our salvation and the faith to believe in Jesus, is a change of heart and mind resulting in a change of behavior away from sin to obedience to our God.

There were many people who followed Jesus for a period of time, but many of them deserted him later on when his teachings became too hard for them to accept. For they were mostly following him because of the miracles he performed. But the religious rulers and people of influence in the temple of God mostly rejected him and fought against him, and tried to find ways to trip him up with his words so they would have cause to accuse him of wrong. And eventually they had him put to death on a cross, hoping to end him.

But it was God’s will and purpose that Jesus Christ should suffer and die on that cross. For in his death, he put our sins to death with him so that, by God-persuaded and God-gifted faith in him, we will now die to sin and live to God and to his righteousness in walks of obedience to his commands, by the Spirit. For in his death and resurrection he rendered powerless him who had the power of death, that is the devil, in order to free us from our addiction to sin so that we will serve God with our lives, living holy lives pleasing to him.

[Isaiah 53:1-12; Matthew 26:26-29; Luke 17:25; John 1:1-36; John 6:35-58; John 8:24,58; John 10:27-33; John 20:28-29; Romans 5:8; Romans 6:1-23; Romans 9:5; 1 Corinthians 11:23-32; 1 Corinthians 15:1-8; Ephesians 2:8-10; Philippians 2:5-11; Colossians 2:9; Titus 2:13; Hebrews 1:8-9; Hebrews 2:14-15; Hebrews 4:15; 1 Peter 1:20-21; 2 Peter 1:1]

For Jesus Christ taught that to come to him we must deny self, take up our cross daily (die daily to sin), and follow (obey) him. For if we hold on to living in sin and for self, we will lose our lives for eternity. But if we deny self, die daily to sin, by the Spirit, and we walk in obedience to our Lord and to his commands, in his power, then we have eternal life with God. For not everyone who calls him “Lord” will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one DOING (obeying) the will of God (see Luke 9:23-26; Matthew 7:21-23).

And this is the truth of the gospel message taught by Jesus and by his New Testament apostles, which we can discover for ourselves if we read the Scriptures in their appropriate biblical context, and if we do not rely on other humans to tell us the truth. For many are they who are teaching lies in the name of Jesus, and in the name of the gospel of our salvation, who are teaching that all we have to do is to make a verbal confession of Christ as Lord, and now all our sins are forgiven and heaven is secured us for eternity.

But by God-gifted faith in Jesus Christ, which is not of our own doing, we are crucified with Christ in death to sin and raised with Christ to walk in newness of life in him, no longer to live as slaves to sin but as slaves to righteousness in walks of obedience to God’s commands. We are no longer to permit sin to reign in our mortal bodies to make us obey its desires. For if sin is what we obey, it results in death. But if obedience to God is what we obey, it results in sanctification, and its end is eternal life with God (see Romans 6:1-23).

So, please be students of the Scriptures who study them in their correct biblical context, and who believe the teachings of Christ and of his New Testament apostles, and who do not rely on other humans and on social media and on preachers to tell you the truth. For many speak lies, either willfully with the intent to deceive, or unknowingly out of biblical ignorance. And please know that the Scriptures teach that if sin is what we practice, and not obedience to God, that we will not inherit eternal life with God.

[Matthew 7:13-14,21-23; Luke 9:23-26; John 10:27-30; Acts 26:18; Romans 1:18-32; Romans 2:5-10; Romans 3:23; Romans 6:1-23; Romans 8:1-14; 1 Corinthians 10:1-22; Galatians 5:16-24; Ephesians 2:8-10; Ephesians 4:17-32; Ephesians 5:3-6; Titus 2:11-14; Hebrews 3:1-19; Hebrews 4:1-13; Hebrews 10:19-39; Hebrews 12:1-2; 1 Peter 2:24; 1 John 1:1-10; 1 John 2:3-6; 1 John 3:4-10; Revelation 2:1-29; Revelation 3:1-22]

Who Believes?

Based off Isaiah 53
An Original Work / October 3, 2013
Christ’s Free Servant, Sue J Love

Gospel message, who believes?
Jesus Christ died on a tree,
Saving us from all our sin,
So we might be cleansed within.

Had no beauty found in Him,
That we should desire Him.
Man of sorrows, suffering;
Crushed for our iniquities.

Surely He has borne our griefs;
From our sadness, brings relief.
Bore the stripes; forsaken, He,
So forgiven we might be.

We, like sheep, have gone astray,
Each of us turned his own way.
Jesus calls, “Repent today;
My commandments, now obey.”

Jesus said, to come to him,
We must die to all our sin.
Crucified with Him, we live,
Walking in His righteousness.

Suff’ring servants, we will be,
Taking His identity on us,
When confessing Him
As our Savior, Lord and King.

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Freeing Us From Slavery to Sin
An Original Work / December 2, 2025
Christ’s Free Servant, Sue J Love