Jeffrey Bowden said:

Only living folks are gathered by the trumpet in Matt 24:31, 40-41.

Here’s Matt 24:31 ( ESV): 31 And he will send out his angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

Here are Matt 24:40-41 (ESV): Then two men will be in the field; one will be taken and one left. 41 Two women will be grinding at the mill; one will be taken and one left.

Only the dead in Christ are gathered by the trumpet in 1 Th 4:16 (ESV): For the Lord himself will descend from heaven with a cry of command, with the voice of an archangel, and with the sound of the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first.

You can’t equate living people gathered by a trumpet witn only dead in Christ raised by another trumpet.

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1 Th 4:17 is the rapture verse. We meet Jesus in the air, behind heavenly clouds. No unbelievers can see Jesus. That then triggers John 14:2-3, and off to Heaven we go. This isn’t opinion; it’s Scriptural facts.

The pre-Trib timing of the rapture is in 1 Th 1:10, Ezekiel 14:21 and Rev 6:4.

About time!

Tuur said:

The topic title brought to mind a passage in Daniel. It's not anything new and apparently not unusual.

I wish there was a religious revival in the US, another Great Awakening. Unfortunately, I've all but lost hope.

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It will probably not happen, until Christ returns. But remember, we are citizens of Heaven as Christians, so in a few decades when our bodies fail us, we will be up there with Jesus, and no longer have to deal with dark forces.

Wouldn't they be invisible?

Tuur said:

Oscar Wilde's observation often holds, but the point of free speech is that that it's free. Whether the listener agrees or disagrees is beside the point. Free speech isn't limited to speech we agree with. You examples would be "okay" in that they have the right to say it, whether I agree with what they say or not.

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So you’d support their going up to say such things?

tonychanyt said:

Thanks for your comments. I edited the OP. Take another look. Thanks

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Now... You earned this.... It is HARD to surrender to Scriptural implications, when one is a committed Theologian and goes an entire direction on a matter then have to one-line and change directions!

Let it be known, that Tonychanyt places scripture above all things UNDER Jesus Christ, who is his First Love and Passion! This is a man who handles scripture with HONESTY!

I, a very specifically difficult person to get these words out of towards a Theologian mean every word of this! I hereby recognize that Tony is Humble with scripture... and Though we are all fallible... and ONLY Jesus Christ and God Breathed by the Holy Spirit of Christ scripture itself is ironclad... it is inspiring to see a fellow Theologian allow scripture to interpret scripture!

All Love in Jesus Christ to you, my Bother and Friend in Him, who Tabernacles within you!

Brihaha said:

I'm relearning how to be non-political for sure. This Trump era was insightful and interesting. I became political with all my reading and following our government's actions, or lack thereof. It was an era for much learning for anyone who wanted to learn. Now my goal is to revert back to normal, without the polarization and tribalism that has entrenched itself into our society. It's counterproductive, dangerous and silly. Especially for us Christians. I'm not there yet, but I figure it will coincide with Donald Trump fading into obscurity. He really brings out the worst in our people and society. It's fascinating.

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So lets say Trump wins. Will you become political again?

Jehovah Rapha, we pray you will guide and heal LoricaLady, in the Name of Jesus. Amen and Amen.

BelieveItOarKnot said:

Some positions of Christian Universalism know that the devil and his messengers are in fact eternally condemned. So no issues with fulfillment on that count.
As to repentance, we are tasked as Paul was in Acts 26:18, to turn from darkness and the power of the devil. That doesn't mean any of us make ourselves sinless, but you'd think it might start with being truthful about being a sinner just like everyone else, Romans 3:9, and that our sin, again like everyone else, is in fact of the devil, 1 John 3:8, Mark 4:15
It's problematic to consider that our temptations are internal and of our adversary, because our enemy is quite frankly, much smarter than we are, apparently
So, just as Jesus looked at Peter and spoke to Satan in Peter, so He can, will and does speak to each of us as well.
In this the person can be saved or will be at their end of life as the enemies of the Gospel in Romans 11:26-32, all of Israel, shall be saved
and yet the devil (and his messengers-demons) is and remains judged and condemned within everyone
One Sword. Two different workings

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Can you make that work for these passages?
Jeremiah 13:10-11
(10) even this evil people, that refuse to hear My words, that walk in the stubbornness of their heart, and are gone after other gods to serve them, and to worship them, that it be as this girdle, which is profitable for nothing.
(11) For as the girdle cleaveth to the loins of a man, so have I caused to cleave unto Me the whole house of Israel and the whole house of Judah, saith the LORD, that they might be unto Me for a people, and for a name, and for a praise, and for a glory; but they would not hearken.
Jeremiah 13:14
(14) And I will dash them one against another, even the fathers and the sons together, saith the LORD; I will not pity, nor spare, nor have compassion, that I should not destroy them.
Matthew 7:21-23
(21) Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
(22) Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
(23) And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
Romans 1:24
(24) Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:
Romans 1:26
(26) For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
Romans 1:28
(28) And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;

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Ooh, the church has solar panels on it. But yes, as a Christian guy who has bi attractions, I will remain celibate, unless with a wife, to stay true to God's Biblical teachings.

Made a post about celibacy for Christ as well: Celibacy for Christ

The solar panels on Abbot Tryphon's church.

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Jipsah said:

I have a simple solution that works for me. The OT is what the Jews believed.

Other than a general sense of God having designed (yeah, I know y'all don't think He designed anything, He just magiced into existence) but I couldn't conceivably care any less) everything to work as He intended. It's interesting history, but it means little to me, because in the next stage...

...GOD SHOWS UP IN PERSON! THAT'S THE IMPORTANT PART! He comes to set everything right that isn't. How long it took God to create the universe isn't relevant,

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God thought it important enough to record it precisely. Even breaking it down to mornings and evenings. That makes it very relevant.

Jipsah said:

it's what He said and did while was here in the Flesh that's important!

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Part of what He said was that the first man and woman existed. The flood happened, etc.

Jipsah said:

It isn't about Old or Young Earth, it's about CHRIST, AND HIM CRUCIFIED!

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The record of Him creating is part of the package deal. Why would we not have an interest in what He says and how He really created us?

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No unbeliever is gonna care tuppence if you start telling him about God's alleged work schedules, global floods, Adam & Eve, burning bushes,etc. Why should they care, and how are you gonna persuade them that stuff is true anyway?

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The people in Noah's day didn't give a tuppence either. So what? They must react to the gospel and what they choose cannot change the future or the past in the bible.

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But everybody, on some level, knows that this world is out of whack, and if most us us know it, it's because there has to be some "normal" that we're getting something wrong. Ad that's what our Lord came to set right.

Short form IT'S ALL (as in ALL ALL ALL ALL ALL ALL ALL ALL ALL ALL Got it?) about Jesus Christ, and His Gospel,and how we, as His creaturs, are supposed to live.

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And by Him was everything created and without Him was not anything made that was made and by Him all things consist. Being the creator is who He is. You do not get to chuck half the New Testament and a large part of the old testament away because you want to have nothing but feel good verses or whatever.

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Here's our summary of the OT:
Matthew 22
36 “Teacher, which is the great commandment in the law?”
37 Jesus said to him, “‘You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your mind.’
38 This is the first and great commandment. 39 And the second is like it: ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’ 40 On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets.”

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True. He said a lot of things. Like how He was here before Abraham and is the alpha and omega etc. Part of loving neighbours is telling them about Him.

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Who said that? GOD HIMSELF! The age of the universe didn't enter into it. At all. "But we have to get that right." Really? See above. "On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets.” " All? Yes, dadgummit, all!

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When people deny the creation by God, and claim we came up from worms or a pond or some such idiocy, of course the actual time and way we were created becomes important.

Jipsah said:

Stuff from the OT is interesting history, and worth knowing, but it is not the basis of our Faith. The basis of our Faith is the Gospel of Jesus Christ. End of.

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Jesus and the apostles quoted it. The old testament agrees with new testament prophesy. The old testament told us about Jesus and His first and second comings. Etc. You do not get to wave it off. Period.

Eternally Grateful said:

The double standard in a nutshell


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Trump Hater Crumbles as Piers Morgan Asks One Simple Question

PIERS MORGAN: “Why is Bill Clinton able to have sex with an intern in the Oval Office when he’s President and lie to the American people about it on national television? And why is he able to pay off Paula Jones $850,000, four times as much, five times as much as the Trump payment to Stormy Daniels, to get rid of a sexual harassment claim, again, while he’s President, and he has no criminal court recourse for that? Why is that deemed to be better than what happened with Trump and Stormy?”

FRANCESCA FIORENTINI: “I don’t think anyone is making that case, Piers.”

PIERS MORGAN: “No, I’m asking you, what’s the difference? What’s the difference?”

FRANCESCA FIORENTINI: “The difference is that he didn’t cook the books financially using his own, like using back channels in order to pay.”

PIERS MORGAN: “So paying somebody off who says you sexually harassed her, paying her nearly a million dollars while you’re the President of the United States and then having sex with an intern in the Oval Office and lying about it, that’s fine because he’s a Democrat?”

FRANCESCA FIORENTINI: “Only the leftists in your mind are making that argument.”

PIERS MORGAN: “Sorry?”

hope you can see the video..

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How is that crumbling? Those quotes from Fiorentini seem like reasonable responses to me.

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iluvatar5150 said:

https://www.cnbc.com/2024/06/05/trump-fundraiser-host-accused-racist-remarks.html

Former President Donald Trump will be hosted at a fundraiser Saturday by a construction equipment magnate who was accused in a recent lawsuit of making racist remarks to his employees, according to legal filings reviewed by CNBC.​

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Trump is scheduled to attend the event in Las Vegas at the Ahern Luxury Boutique Hotel, which is owned by businessman Don Ahern. The tycoon and founder of Ahern Rentals is listed as a co-host of the event, with ticket prices for couples going for up to $844,600, according to an invitation obtained by CNBC.​

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In 2022, an employee who worked at Ahern Rentals for 17 years alleged in a lawsuit that he witnessed Don Ahern repeatedly make racist and bigoted statements in the workplace.​

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The plaintiff in the case, Mark Townsend, was terminated from his job at Ahern Rentals and his suit sought monetary damages “for lost income, lost benefits, lost earnings capacity, and other economic loss suffered by plaintiff,” according to the original complaint. There was no specific monetary value cited, and the case was settled out of court in July 2023.​

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Among Townsend’s allegations are that he heard Don Ahern say, “We don’t like hiring n------. They are dumb. They are just born that way.”​

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He also alleged that he heard Ahern say, “If it was up to me, I would get rid of all the n------, Mexicans, and women, because they’re useless.”​

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Lest you think this is merely the retaliatory claims of one disgruntled former employee:

Mohammed Sami Bakdash, who served as general counsel for Ahern and his companies for nearly a decade, until late 2023, testified during a deposition that he heard Ahern use this language near the end of his tenure at Ahern Rentals.​

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The deposition was part of a larger legal battle between Ahern Rentals and several companies that accuse Ahern Rentals of participating in a massive, multistate fraud scheme involving the distribution of mobile solar generators. The architect of the Ponzi scheme was sentenced to 30 years in prison in 2021. But a group of companies sued Ahern Rentals in an effort to recover some of what they said was their lost money. That litigation is ongoing.​

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“Sir, within the last year or so before you left Ahern Rentals, did you hear Don Ahern use the N-word?” Bakdash was asked during the May 24 deposition.​

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“Yes, sir,” Bakdash replied.​

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Bakdash also testified that Ahern seemed to take issue with women in the workplace. “Towards the end of my tenure there, it seemed like he did not like ... working with women,” the former Ahern legal advisor said in his deposition.​

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Glad I do not work for this Ahern guy. As a brown man, I would probably be a target of racism there.

Also, it is strange how pro-Trumpers bash solar and renewables, and only support solar when it benefits their cause (such as Ahern and the solar generators). Trump sadly is against solar: Trump’s sneering at solar is stupid in the Sunshine State • Florida Phoenix

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Grip Docility said:

Only the Almighty knows, for sure! Amen.

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Agreed 100%. This is why I stay away from eschatology, though it does seem like stuff is happening.

WarriorAngel said:

SO I watched Michael Knowles video with an exorcist who exorcised a guys 'genitals' if I recall that right of the lust demon.
He was a changed man and went onto to happily marry a woman and have children.

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That’s…..odd. Interesting, but odd.

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Ephesians 5:

22 Wives, [submit] yourselves to your own husbands as you do to the Lord.

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Was this a command from Paul?

Interestingly, in the Greek manuscript, the verb "submit" is not even there. Let's check the context in the previous verse:

21 Submit to one another out of reverence for Christ.

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As brothers and sisters, a Christian brother should submit to a Christian sister and vice versa.

SubmitὙποτασσόμενοι (Hypotassomenoi)Verb - Present Participle Middle or Passive - Nominative Masculine PluralStrong's 5293: From hupo and tasso; to subordinate; reflexively, to obey.

The verb here is a participle, not exactly a command.

First, Paul pointed out that believers should submit to one another for Christ's sake. With this context in mind, the following verse:

22 Wives, [submit] yourselves to your own husbands as you do to the Lord.

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Concerning the husband-wife relationship, a wife is to submit to her husband. For the Lord's sake, husbands and wives, brothers and sisters, all alike, should submit to one another.

23 For the husband is the head of the wife as Christ is the head of the church, his body, of which he is the Savior. 24 Now as the church submits [G5293] to Christ, so also wives should [submit] to their husbands in everything.

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Again, the second "submit" is not in the original Greek but is implied.

Elsewhere, Colossians 3:

18 Wives, submit [G5293] yourselves to your husbands, as is fitting in the Lord. 19 Husbands, love your wives, and do not be harsh with them.

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submitὑποτάσσεσθε (hypotassesthe)Verb - Present Imperative Passive - 2nd Person Plural

Here, the verb "submit" is an imperative command.

Now, do husbands need to submit to their wives?

Yes, as we have seen earlier in Ephesians 5:21. In the broader context, we are to submit to one another. In the marriage context, wives are to submit to their husbands. Horizontally, she is your wife. Vertically, in terms of spiritual reality, you and she are both sons of God; you two are siblings. In any case, a husband should consult his wife before making any decision. In the end, it is up to the husband to decide.