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Hell doesn't exist and there is no eternal suffering, instead bad peolle just cease to exist

Why didn’t you quote any of the passages that do actually support eternal punishment?

“These will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.””
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭25‬:‭46‬ ‭NASB1995‬‬

“If your foot causes you to stumble, cut it off; it is better for you to enter life lame, than, having your two feet, to be cast into hell, [where their worm does not die, and the fire is not quenched.] If your eye causes you to stumble, throw it out; it is better for you to enter the kingdom of God with one eye, than, having two eyes, to be cast into hell, where their worm does not die, and the fire is not quenched.”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭9‬:‭45‬-‭48‬ ‭NASB1995‬‬

“dealing out retribution to those who do not know God and to those who do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus. These will pay the penalty of eternal destruction, away from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of His power,”
‭‭2 Thessalonians‬ ‭1‬:‭8‬-‭9‬ ‭NASB1995‬‬

“he also will drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is mixed in full strength in the cup of His anger; and he will be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels and in the presence of the Lamb. And the smoke of their torment goes up forever and ever; they have no rest day and night, those who worship the beast and his image, and whoever receives the mark of his name.””
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭14‬:‭10‬-‭11‬ ‭NASB1995‬‬

“And the devil who deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are also; and they will be tormented day and night forever and ever. Then I saw a great white throne and Him who sat upon it, from whose presence earth and heaven fled away, and no place was found for them. And I saw the dead, the great and the small, standing before the throne, and books were opened; and another book was opened, which is the book of life; and the dead were judged from the things which were written in the books, according to their deeds. And the sea gave up the dead which were in it, and death and Hades gave up the dead which were in them; and they were judged, every one of them according to their deeds. Then death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. This is the second death, the lake of fire. And if anyone’s name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭20‬:‭10‬-‭15‬ ‭NASB1995‬‬

So there is scriptural evidence to support eternal torment. However evidence isn’t necessarily proof and annihilation could be considered an eternal punishment because there’s no coming back from it. As far as your definition of the Greek word aionios that word is used to describe things that are in fact eternal and never ending. Like for example God’s reign, His glory, His kingdom, even God Himself, also the life, redemption, salvation, and inheritance that we receive in Christ. None of these are temporal and yet the word aionios is used to describe them.

As far as Sheol, it’s actually divided into two separate places. Abraham’s Bosom is the place for the righteous, and Hades is the place for the wicked where they do suffer in torment until judgment day when they will be judged then thrown into the lake of fire. So yeah Sheol is temporary, but once the wicked are taken out of Sheol that’s not the end of their punishment. They will either suffer eternal torment in the lake of fire or annihilation, they will not receive eternal life and enter into God’s kingdom. So hell is a real place according to the Bible, hell is just a word invented to refer to the place of punishment for the wicked. And yes Jesus used the word Gehenna but He used Gehenna as an illustration of what would take place after judgement. He wasn’t telling people that their soul would literally be destroyed in the place outside of Jerusalem where garbage and dead bodies were burned.
Could you please provide scripture to support his statement "As far as Sheol, it’s actually divided into two separate places. Abraham’s Bosom is the place for the righteous, and Hades is the place for the wicked where they do suffer in torment until judgment day when they will be judged then thrown into the lake of fire."
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Is stubbornness a Christian moral virtue?

I work around and accommodate the disagreement
Often, I just be quiet. They can see I have not agreed with them.
or just act in accordance with my viewpoint to heap negative consequences on them (this only works IRL).
Now, I don't get what you mean by heaping negative stuff on someone because you don't agree with them.
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The Thing Most Sabbath Keepers Do not Talk About.

Through your theological lense I see why you have to interpret the passage as you do...

Your lense requires you to modify the plain reading of the text - this is a repeating pattern.
Saying doesn’t Make it true.
It is kind of like saying nothing really.
Maybe explain why you think this rather say what you said?
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He’s a citizen with a Real ID. ICE detained him anyway. Twice.

Not technically. They have to look mexican and do something illegal immigrants do like wait for a bus or go to home depot.

Or go to work, go to school, go to the doctor, be at home, go shopping, go to a restaurant, and the most terrifying thing of all, speak Spanish in public with an accent.
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Appointed to Eternal Life - Acts 13:48

Chosen in Him vs Free Will Choice
  1. It is not our human choice whether God chose us in Him or not, that choice is His alone.
  2. He gives us free will to choose Him. I showed this in Ephesians 1:4-6.
Ephesians 1:4-6 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love: Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will, To the praise of the glory of his grace, wherein he hath made us accepted in the beloved.
  • Should indicates human choice. God wants us to choose Him, but it is our choice to choose Him or not and live according to His will.
  • Predestined → unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to Himself. In other words, John 3:16-17.
John 3:16-17 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
  • Whosoever believeth in Him (believe; human choice) should not perish
  • That the world (all of us) through Him might (conditional; human choice) be saved

Jesus speaking to the disciples:

John 15:14-16 Ye are my friends, if ye do whatsoever I command you. Henceforth I call you not servants; for the servant knoweth not what his lord doeth: but I have called you friends; for all things that I have heard of my Father I have made known unto you. Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you, and ordained you, that ye should go and bring forth fruit, and that your fruit should remain: that whatsoever ye shall ask of the Father in my name, he may give it you.
  • If ye do whatsoever I command you (do; human choice)
  • That ye should go and bring forth fruit, and that your fruit should remain (go and bring forth fruit; human choice)
James:

James 2:5 Hearken, my beloved brethren, Hath not God chosen the poor of this world to be rich in faith, and heirs of the kingdom which he hath promised to them that love him?
  • Chosen to be rich in faith (be rich in faith; human choice)
  • ...heirs of the kingdom which He hath promised...
  • ...to them that love Him (love Him; human choice)
The Book of Life from the Foundation of the World

Revelation 13:8 and 17:8 can be read one of two ways.
  1. All names were written in the book of life from the foundation of the world.
  2. It is the book of life itself that is from the foundation of the world. Names are written and blotted out as each person makes their choice concerning God throughout their lifetime, once each case is determined.
The question is, which position does scripture support?

In 2 Peter 3 we find that God is long-suffering; He is waiting for all to come to repentance. God has chosen us in Him, but He is waiting for us to choose Him. If all names were written in the book of life, how then are we found in need of repentance?

2 Peter 3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

Lastly, we have Exodus 32:33, which should settle the issue.

Exodus 32:33 And the Lord said unto Moses, Whosoever hath sinned against me, him will I blot out of my book.
  • Whosoever hath sinned against me (human choice)
  • Against me (against God's will)
  • Sin can cause names to be blotted out of the book of life.
  • If names are written in the book of life from the foundation of the world (from the beginning), those names would likely be blotted out because of unrepentant sin, and remain blotted out until there is repentance and a newness of life.
Let me state my position so that it is clear. This is my last post. You can agree to disagree, and you can respond with your rebuttal. Let the reader decide through prayerful study of the Bible.

1. God having chosen us in Him is in no way negated by the free will He has given us to choose Him or not.
2. We are not predetermined to be saved or lost. Each of us has a choice of our own free will.
3. If names are blotted out for sinning against Him (Exodus 32:33), then names can be written back in for choosing Him and doing His will.
4. If all have sinned, then our names are not in the book of life (blotted because of sin) until we have repented and live according to His will.

Revelation 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.
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The choosing in Ephesians 1 is not to eternal life, but that believers should be holy and without blame before Him in love,

The predestined us to adoption is not to eternal life, but that believers would be adopted to Jesus as sons having predestined us to adoption as sons by Jesus Christ to Himself, according to the good pleasure of His will,
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But this is what happens, the sun & the moon plus the stars circuits the sky, we see this happening day after day, but what puzzles me is how does God do it, to move them all around on a stationary earth ?

This is one of the big questions I have asked God & I think he has answered me, he does it via the North.

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No, you’re not paying attention to the facts which are easily observed. If the sun & moon circle over the earth & are only about 3500 miles up, then these things would happen and be easily observed:

1. The sun & moon would appear to speed up and slow down as they approach and move away from the observer. This does not happen. Their apparent speeds are constant.

2. The sun & moon angular size would increase and decrease as they move toward and away from the observer. This does not happen. Their angular size remains constant.

3. The sun & moon would reduce in size and never set as they move further from the observer. This does not happen. They slowly drop below the horizon.

4. The sun & moon would appear as tiny points of light as they “rise” gradually getting bigger. This does not happen. They rise from below the horizon and are never seen as tiny points of light.

I’ve challenged you before and will do so again now to watch the moon setting & then try to zoom it back into view again. You will not be able to, I absolutely guarantee it!

God has already given you your answer through easily observed facts. He doesn’t move them all around on a flat stationary earth, the earth is not flat or stationary. That’s your answer!
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Trump pardons Giuliani, Sidney Powell, John Eastman, Mark Meadows, all fake electors for their attempt to overturn 2020 election, pardon official says

Many of the pardon's Biden gave are questionable as well it's not a one sided thing.
Feel free to share your list. I mean of course there will be some...these are people who broke LAWS.

So which ones do you think are questionable?
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WHY HYDOR IS NO LONGR NEEDED. ??

This is what 1 Cor 1:15 says to ALL. !!

# 1 LEST // ME is a DISJUNCATIVE PARTICLE NEGATIVE and means NEVER WILL BE

# 2 ANYONE // TIS. is an INDEFINITE PRONOUN. in the NOMINATIVE CASE , in the SINGULAR

# 3. SHOULD. SAY //. EIPON. in. the AORIST TENSE , in. the ACTIVE VOICE. , is a SUBJUNCATIVE in. the SIGNULAR

# 4. THAT. //. is a CONJUNCATION

# 5. I HAD. BAPTIZED //. BAPTISMO. in. the AORIST TENSE. in. the ACTIVE VOICE. in the INDICATIVE MOOD in. the SINGULAR

# 6 IN. //. EIS. is a PREPOSITION

# 7. MINE OWN //. ENOS is a POSSESSEIVE PRONOUN is an. ACCUSATIVE CASE is a SINGULAR

# 8 NAME. // ONOMA. is a ACCUSATIVE CASE inv. the SINGULAR. in. the NEUTER


# A That is why Paul would NEVER WATER BAPTIZED NO ONE. because he did not have the AUTHORTY. to water Baptized ANYONE !!

# B. AND the only. ONE. , the 11 disciples in. Matt 28:16 were sent to BAPTIZE. all Nation , which. I says were all JEWS

in the name of. of the FATHER and the SON. and the HOLY SPIRIT !!

And Paul did not have the AUTHORTY. to baptize ANYONE !!

# A And I say that ANY PREACHER of any ASSEMBLY DOES NOT. HAVE that AUTHORTY EITHER

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Morality without Absolute Morality

The same way all of us always have.
That's not an answer.
Awareness is good, understanding how "theory of mind" works in decision making and moral formation is better.
So you say, but it is just another illegitimate move from a state of affairs to how things ought to be
Once we realize that there is no such dilemma we can move on to actually dealing with moral reality.
If there is no such reality, then there's no point talking about morality at all. Just imposing our will to the extent that we are able, because if morals aren't objective than there's no reason to bother with them.
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From Socrates to Rome: How Classical Education Led Me to the Catholic Church...

I entered the Roman Catholic Church a little more than 20 years ago now, and my experiences in non-sectarian, public-charter classical education, first as a teacher, and then for a decade as a school leader, were a necessary condition for it. The soil of my soul was tilled by Socrates. To Tertullian’s exasperated question What does Athens have to do with Jerusalem? I say: everything, bro. Everything.

There was also the influence of my wife and her family; the birth of my first daughter; my own Catholic-leaning (though officially ecumenical) Christian secondary education; basically the entirety of the Ignatius Press catalogue up to that point; a mildly-mystical experience of watching one of the red banners hanging from the church ceiling at Pentecost swaying in an air current that mysteriously affected only it and not the others; my first experiences singing Gregorian chant and attending the old Latin Mass; the pathos of having watched earlier that year live on broadcast television the final days and death of Pope John Paul II, the spectacle of a papal requiem Mass, that magnificent funeral homily by Cardinal Ratzinger, his zinger of a pre-conclave homily (the “dictatorship of relativism” one), and the thrill of seeing him step out on to the balcony as Benedict XVI on what just happened to be my son’s 3rd birthday.1

But prior to that, going deep into the practice and then the theory of Paideia-movement liberal education did so much to cure me of my prolonged and sophomoric Nietzschean delusions about the amor fati and the death of God.

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The Saving results of the Death of Christ !

Another one of the saving results of the death of Christ is in order that, those He died for will receive the adoption of Sons, which requires sending the Spirit into their hearts Gal 4:4-6

4 But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law,

5 To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons.

6 And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father.

All for whom Christ died, He redeemed Gal 3:13 and each one of them will in Gods good time , will be given the Spirit into their hearts confirming, validating their adoption of Sons. They will know God as their Father ! 8
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The Schumer Shutdown


Looks like there are brave Democrats who know it is time to open the government - here are their names.

Washington — Seven Democratic senators and one independent who caucuses with Democrats voted late Sunday to reopen the government and end the shutdown.​
Three of them have consistently voted for Republicans' short-term funding patch — which passed the House in mid-September — to keep the government funded until Nov. 21 at current levels. The measure narrowly advanced in the Senate after it secured the support of five more Democrats with the expectation that it will be amended to extend funding until Jan. 30.​
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Why the Lutheran Church is the Ancient Church

Rev. Stefan Gramenz is a Lutheran pastor and liturgical scholar working to recover the historic treasures of the Church for the English-speaking world. He serves with the Lutheran Missal Project, a collaborative effort to make the Lutheran liturgical heritage accessible to pastors and congregations today.

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Trump opens the door for sanctions on Nigeria over persecution of Christians

Sanctions aren't all he's considering.

Trump threatens to cut off aid to Nigeria, possible military action over claims of 'killing of Christians'

"If the Nigerian Government continues to allow the killing of Christians, the U.S.A. will immediately stop all aid and assistance to Nigeria, and may very well go into that now disgraced country, "guns-a-blazing,"

Trump caught own allies 'off guard' with military threat based on Fox News story: report

The Washington Post on Sunday published a new report called, "Trump’s ‘guns-a-blazing’ threat to Nigeria shocked key players, aides," in which the outlet claims that "Trump’s threat to go 'guns-a-blazing' into Nigeria concerned U.S. military officials in Africa and surprised even those who had been pushing the issue."

Referring to Trump's new priority as "seemingly out of the blue," the report states that "the president’s initial post followed a meeting in Washington between his top advisers and members of the faith community, and after he watched a Fox News segment on the topic aboard Air Force One, according to three people with knowledge of the situation."
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Pope Leo XIV appoints Augustinian from Nigeria as official of Papal Household

Pope Leo XIV has appointed a longtime confrere and friend, Nigerian priest Edward Daniang Daleng, OSA, as vice regent of the Prefecture of the Papal Household, the second-highest position in the Vatican office that organizes audiences with the pope.

The prefecture also takes care of the preparations related to papal ceremonies, the spiritual exercises of the Holy Father, and gatherings of the College of Cardinals and the Roman Curia. Furthermore, it handles the necessary arrangements whenever the Holy Father leaves the Apostolic Palace to visit places within Rome or Italy.

Daniang has been a general councilor and, most recently, procurator general of the Order of St. Augustine — Pope Leo’s religious order. As procurator general, the priest was responsible for preparing and carrying out the order’s business with the Holy See.

Born on April 4, 1977, in Yitla’ar, Kwalla, Plateau state, in Nigeria, Daniang made his first profession in the Order of St. Augustine on Nov. 9, 2001, and his solemn vows on Nov. 13, 2004, at the age of 47.

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