More than a year after she was charged along with several others with the murder of her grandchildren's mother, Veronica Butler, and Jilian Kelley, a beloved pastor's wife, former Cimarron County GOP Chair Tifany Machel Adams has pleaded no contest to their murders in Texas County, Oklahoma.

When a defendant enters a plea of no contest, it means they are accepting a criminal conviction and punishment without admitting guilt. Adams' plea deal filed in the District Court of Texas County on Tuesday shows that she also pleaded no contest to two counts of unlawful removal of a dead body and two counts of desecration of a human corpse in the deaths of Kelley, 39, and Butler, 27.

Kelley was the wife of Pastor Heath Kelley, who at the time of her death last year led Hugoton First Christian Church in Kansas. Heath Kelley had recently agreed to serve as the new pastor of Willow Christian Church in Nebraska, starting in June 2024.

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A national anti-sexual exploitation group warned of potential exposure to sexually graphic material and mental health issues resulting from relationships with sexualized AI chatbots following OpenAI’s decision to allow erotica for certain ChatGPT users.

The National Center on Sexual Exploitation’s warning about ChatGPT follows a Tuesday announcement from OpenAI CEO Sam Altman that the company plans to relax some content restrictions on the chatbot after equipping it to address mental health concerns better.

“We made ChatGPT pretty restrictive to make sure we were being careful with mental health issues,” Altman wrote in a Tuesday X post. “We realize this made it less useful/enjoyable to many users who had no mental health problems, but given the seriousness of the issue, we wanted to get this right.”

OpenAI’s CEO promised that the updated ChatGPT will have a personality and behave more like the chatbot that people liked in a previous version of the application. Altman explained that the latest version of ChatGPT can “respond in a very human-like way, or use a ton of emoji, or act like a friend,” if that’s something that users want.

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The GAFCON movement of orthodox Anglicans is forging its own path away from the leadership of the archbishop of Canterbury with the launch of the Global Anglican Communion.

It will be distinct from the worldwide Anglican Communion that is under the spiritual leadership of the archbishop of Canterbury and which recognises other Institutes of Communion like the Lambeth Conference, the Anglican Consultative Council (ACC), and the Primates' Meeting of senior archbishops.

Unveiling its plans on Thursday, GAFCON said its intention is to "reorder" the Anglican Communion with only the Bible as its foundation. It will not recognize the archbishop of Canterbury or other Institutes of Communion.

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David Lamb said:

You seem to have given an answer to your own question. How can you be so certain that the events did not actually occur? I came across the following paragraph at the website Was Job a Man or a Myth?

"Man from Uz
First, take the way the book opens: “There was a man in the land of Uz whose name was Job” (Job 1:1). Now compare that with the beginning of Judges 17:1, which begins a story: “There was a man of the hill country of Ephraim, whose name was Micah.” Or compare it to the beginning of 1 Samuel: “There was a certain man of Ramathaim-zophim of the hill country of Ephraim whose name was Elkanah” (1 Samuel 1:1).

Now, one of the ways to assess whether a piece of writing is history or whether it bears the traits of fiction would be to compare how the books are written. The fact that Job begins the way those chapters begin, which are not presented as parable or fiction, is at least one pointer to the way readers would have taken it as they began to read this book. They would have taken it the way they took Judges or 1 Samuel — as an account of things that really happened. That’s my first argument."

Like the author of that paragraph, I believe Job was a real person.

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What you say is true. However, when looking at the Hebrew, it was written in poetry. How often are historical books written in poem? Also, many of Jesus' parables started in a similar fashion.

Is there another one?

Good luck helping Pamela!

HELP

Cowboys obeyed unwritten legal decrees.

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Stopped_lurking said:

The best way to improve the availibility of wind power is to build an interconnected grid over large distances, the wind always blow somewhere (I think on average they produce power 80% of the time, with a capacity factor slightly below 40%). Sure you'll have to pay for the overcapacity needed and the investments in the infrastructure, but it also creates a more robust system. Shouldn't this be possible along the coasts of the US, where the population density is rather high? Off-shore wind parks have even better numbers.

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Without superconductors, it's not that easy. Seriously. Have heard of nitrogen cooled superconductors in short runs in some substations, but have never seen it. Conventional conductors has line losses due to reactance and resistance inherent in the cable. There's HVDC which I don't think has the reactance component but still has resistance. The whole point to bumping up transmission voltages so high is to drop the line amps and the corresponding line losses, and even then it's more limited that some think. I think the longest in the US is a HVDC line that's a few hundred miles in length. That sounds long, but the hot summer day I described when there was no surplus electricity to be had covered a region longer and wider than that. You can find lists of long AC transmission lines, but those are usually loop instead of radial feed, so it's not necessarily the distance from Point A to Point B. With HVDC, my understanding is that it is Pont A to Point B.

Note that the hot summer day I mentioned was region-wide, so you can have entire regions affected by conditions that limit wind and solar production. Now, if you could move electricity from one side of the US to another, you could do what you describe, but right now it's too limited.

Neogaia777 said:

100% full omniscience is 100% incompatible with free will.

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A bald assertion which you haven't supported with argument.

Neogaia777 said:

Look back through the thread.

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Nowhere in the thread have you supported it. And by the way, your conversation with AI in the OP doesn't make sense. Since you didn't use quotation marks, I don't know if those are your exact words, but if they are, the questions are sloppy and don't make sense.

By the way, mind if I ask what religion you are? Your screen name looks like it could be neo-Gaia.

Trump's reputation will include his criminal record, his blatant racist dog-whistling, his Dunning Krueger's, his Narcissistic Personality Disorder - and now his grifting of the American people!

From our ABC.

"Conflict of interest" does not even begin to describe it!
Couple this doco with the BBB and you really do have "Democracy of the billionaires, by the billionaires, for the billionaires."

And the sad thing is because Trump dog-whistled all the 'right' things to the working class and rust belt - and offered up "THOSE IMMIGRANTS" and those factories "In CHINA" to the working class as simplistic scapegoats to their problems and HE was the strong man to deal with them - people voted for him. People trusted him. But his NPD means he does not really even see them as people!

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Also - constant unnecessary lying.

Trump appointed the head of the Federal Reserve in 2018.

When he had his spat about him this year, he said to the gathered reporters "I think he does a terrible job - he's costing us a lot of money. He's a terrible Fed Chair - I was surprised he was appointed - I was surprised quite frankly that BIDEN put him in and extended him!"

Watch his face as he says this.

Does he know he's lying? When he leans forward and his voice raises like he's telling a story to school children - is that him knowingly lying - or is that dementia?

It's hard to tell these days.

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rjs330 said:

You just love the conspiracy theories. I just dont have to listen or believe in them. It must be an interesting world you live in.

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Over 200 mental health experts published a public letter warning American not to vote for Trump. After watching thousands of hours of footage across decades, they had a warning. He had Narcissistic Personality Disorder - and voting for him could be catastrophic.

This is a fact.

You need to look up 'fact' and 'conspiracy theory' in the dictionary.

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Yeah they are.

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So you have asserted.
Proof - however - is in the reading.

I will leave these studies here for other readers to investigate - you obviously are an armchair expert and just turn your nose up at real world data that does not fit your pre-existing political paradigms and prejudices.

From 2019:​

"most studies have shown that illegal immigrants tend to commit less crime than the native born"
Gonzalez, Benjamin; Collingwood, Loren; El-Khatib, Stephen Omar (2019). "The Politics of Refuge: Sanctuary Cities, Crime, and Undocumented Immigration". Urban Affairs Review. 55: 107808741770497. doi:10.1177/1078087417704974. S2CID 32604699.

From 2020:​

We make use of uniquely comprehensive arrest data from the Texas Department of Public Safety to compare the criminality of undocumented immigrants to legal immigrants and native-born US citizens between 2012 and 2018. We find that undocumented immigrants have substantially lower crime rates than native-born citizens and legal immigrants across a range of felony offenses. Relative to undocumented immigrants, US-born citizens are over 2 times more likely to be arrested for violent crimes, 2.5 times more likely to be arrested for drug crimes, and over 4 times more likely to be arrested for property crimes. In addition, the proportion of arrests involving undocumented immigrants in Texas was relatively stable or decreasing over this period. The differences between US-born citizens and undocumented immigrants are robust to using alternative estimates of the broader undocumented population, alternate classifications of those counted as “undocumented” at arrest and substituting misdemeanors or convictions as measures of crime.
Light, Michael T.; He, Jingying; Robey, Jason P. (December 2, 2020). "Comparing crime rates between undocumented immigrants, legal immigrants, and native-born US citizens in Texas". Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences. 117 (51): 32340–32347. Bibcode:2020PNAS..11732340L. doi:10.1073/pnas.2014704117. PMC 7768760. PMID 33288713.
Comparing crime rates between undocumented immigrants, legal immigrants, and native-born US citizens in Texas - PMC

From 2024​

"A range of studies by academics and think tanks have shown that immigrants do not commit crime at a higher rate than native-born Americans. A more limited universe of studies specifically examine criminality among immigrants in the US illegally but also find that they do not commit crimes at a higher rate."
Hesson, Ted; Rosenberg, Mica; Hesson, Ted; Rosenberg, Mica (July 16, 2024). "Trump says migrants are fueling violent crime. Here is what the research shows". Reuters. Retrieved July 28, 2024.

And this is what ACTS 15:1 SAYS !!

# 1 AND //. KAI ,is a CONJUNCATION

# 2 CERTAIN MEN //. TIS , INDEFINITE. PRONOUN , ina NOMINATIVE CASE , in. the PLURAL

# 3 WHICH CAME DOWN //. KATERCHOMIAI. , in. the. AORIST TENSE , in. the ACTIVE VOICE , a PARTICIPLE. in. the NOMINATIVE CASE.

in. the PLURAL

# 4 FROM // APO. , is a PREPOSITION

# 5. JUDAEA //. IOUDAIA , in the GENITIVE CASE , in. the SIGNULAR

# 6 TAUGHT //. DIDASKO. , is in the IMPERFECT TENSE , in. the ACTIVE VOICE , in. the INDICATIVE MOOD , in. the PLURAL

# 7 THE //. HO , is a DEFINITE ARTICLE , in the ACCUSATIVE CASE , in. the PLURAL

# 8 BRETHREN // ADELPHOS. , in. the ACCUSATIVE CASE , in. the PLURAL

# 9 AND SAID //. was added , EXCEPT // ME , is a DISJUNCATIVE PARTICLE NEGATIVE

# 10. YE BE CIRCUMCISED // PENTEMNO. , in. the PESENT TENSE , in the PASSIVE VOICE. in. the SUBJUNCTIVE. , in. the PLURAL

# 11 AFTER THE // THE , is a DEFINITE ARTICLE. , is a DATIVE ARTICILE. in. the DATIVE. CASE. , in. the SINGULAR , is a NEUTER

# 12. MANNER. // ETHOS. in. the DATIVE CASE , in. the SINGULAR and. in. the NEUTER

# 13. OF MOSES // MOYSOS. in. the GENITIVE CASE. , in. the SINGULAR

# 14. NOT //. OU. is a DISJUNCATIVE PARTICLE NEGATIVE

# 15. YE CANNOT //. DYNAMA , in. the PRESENT TENSE in. the MIDDLE or PRESENT VOICE. in. the INDICATIVE MOOD , in. the PLURAL

#. 16. BE SAVED // SOZO in. the AORIST TENSE , in. the PASSIVE VOICE.

And this verse PLAINLY says men , to be saved , you have to be CIRCUMCISED

# 17. And just what are woman going to. DO. ??

# 18 Are we saved by Rom 10:9 and 10 , if you confess with your mouth the LORD JESUS. and should believe your heart. that GOD.

raised Him from the dead you WILL BE SAVED

# 19 Are you saved by Water Baptism

# 20. Saved by BEING BORN AGAIN ?

# 21 Saved by vvWater and the SPIRIT ??

What say you. ??

dan p

BelieveItOarKnot said:

My main observation with your positions is

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....they conflict with your beliefs.
You have yet to show how I am wrong. by using scriptural proofs and not opinions.

BelieveItOarKnot said:

Show me your stuff

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All my articles - over 800 of them are available free on my website- www.logostelos.info .
I use the Prophesies, modern knowledge and historical facts.
The Lords plans for His faithful peoples, are clearly informed to us.

BelieveItOarKnot said:

And you my friend belong to the idiotic antisemite crowd. Juvenile imho

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No doubt about it- God is an anti-Semite: -
The Judgement of Judah:
Over the 20 centuries since the time of Jesus Christ’s first coming to earth, the Jewish people have suffered terrible persecutions, pogroms and discrimination.
This fulfils several prophecies – that the Jews will be a curse and objects of derision in the world.

Jeremiah 17:1-4 The sins of Judah are recorded on their hearts, the fire of My anger will burn forever.

Ezekiel 21:2-7 Son of man, set your face toward Jerusalem and prophesy against the Land of Israel. I shall draw My sword to cut off everyone from South to North.
I will make away with both the righteous and wicked, My sword will be drawn against everyone from the Negev northward. All courage will fail – it will surely take place.

Ezekiel 21:10-14 A sword is sharpened for the slaughter, polished to flash like lightning.
Should we rejoice in the sceptre of Judah? No, the sword condemns the Rod of My Son. Cry and wail for it falls on My people – all your rulers will be killed.
Testing will surely come – what if the sceptre of Judah, which the sword despises, does not continue? Swing the sword three times, the great sword of slaughter.
Verse 14 is highly significant, as it foretells three judgements of the Jewish people:

1/ The Babylonian conquest in 585BC.
2/ The revolt against the Romans, Maccabees to AD 70, when millions were killed.
3/ The final gathering and judgement of the Jewish people in the Land.

At the trial of Jesus, the Jews said in; Matthew 27:25 His blood be on us and our children. In the parable of the King and his servants, Luke 19:14 ..his subjects hated him and said “We don’t want this man to be our King “

Luke 19:27 As for those enemies of Mine that did not want Me for a King, bring them here ( into the Land, as in 1948 ) and slaughter them in My presence.
Matthew 21:38-43 The parable of the vineyard - The wicked tenants said; This is the Heir, come – let us kill him and get the inheritance. The King will bring those criminals to justice and destroy them. He will then rent the vineyard to righteous tenants.
Therefore the Kingdom of God will be taken away from you, ( Jews ) and given to a people who will bear the proper fruit. (Faithful Christians)

Ezekiel 16:35-62 The Lord is saying how He rescued and tended Judah, but her depraved conduct surpassed even that of her sisters, Samaria ( Israel ) and Sodom:
Therefore, you prostitute, because of your brazen excesses, I shall assemble all those around you - whom you loved. I shall bring you to trial for adultery and murder.
When I hand you over to them, they will strip you naked. They will punish you with stones and swords, burn down your houses and execute judgement in the sight of many women. You surpassed the sins of your sisters, Samaria and Sodom.

Judah, judged and punished, in the next prophesied event; the Sixth Seal devastation of the entire Middle East. Zephaniah 1:14-18, Isaiah 22:1-14

Jeremiah 8:3 The Lord says to the leaders of Judah; You will be as dung spread over the ground. This wicked race would rather die than live. Isaiah 22:14, Luke 19:27

Jeremiah 18:1-10 The Potter and the clay. v6 House of Israel, I will remould you as a potter would a spoilt pot.
Israel, the Northern 10 tribes, are to be ‘remoulded’. Ezekiel 36:25-28

Jeremiah 19:3 Proclaim to the leaders and citizens of Judah:-
v11 I shall smash this people as an earthen vessel is smashed beyond repair. There will be no room left to bury them.

In the land of Israel today, 42% of the Jewish population are secular ( atheist ) 25% believe in God, but do not actively worship Him and 12% practice Judaism, 8% are the ultra orthodox Haredi Jews. In all the amazing things that have happened to the Jews since 1948 – their resettlement, restored language and wars won, they still do not acknowledge Gods hand in their affairs. He has helped them, for the reason that they are a part of His originally chosen people, but their continued rejection of Jesus and their sinful ways will result in their being virtually wiped out on the Lord’s Day of wrath. Only a remnant will survive in Jerusalem. Isaiah 6:11-13, Isaiah 29:1-4, Romans 9:27
The eventual restoration of a Jewish remnant, in their shame and humiliation. Ezekiel 16:63, Romans 9:27

Psalms 69:36 The children of those who serve Him will inherit the Land and those who love His name will live there. Psalm 37:7-40
Reference; Revised English bible, some verses abridged.

BobRyan said:

Those that want to mock the Bible will sometimes try to get it to say the world is flat, as part of their pro-evolutionism POV that discredits the accuracy of the Bible and lowers trust in the apparent reading of it.

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BobRyan said:

Josh 6:5 has an unambiguous statement about something explicitly being "flat"

5 It shall be that when they make a long blast with the ram’s horn, and when you hear the sound of the trumpet, all the people shall shout with a great shout; and the wall of the city will fall down flat, and the people will go up every man straight ahead.”​

Sadly for such a POV , no such case is found in the Bible where that word is used to describe Earth's shape.

wh;ich means it is not accurate to try and discredit the Bible's description of the seven day creation week, as if the Bible "account" of something is not accurate

Gen 2:4 This is the account of the heavens and the earth when they were created




The Bible says the 7 days at Sinai are the same as the 7 days in Gen 1-.

But belief in evolutionism says "those are days that did not happen, what actually happened is whatever belief in evolutionism would teach"

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PrincetonGuy said:

There is a very big difference between what the Bible actually says and the many different ways that it has been interpreted

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sad but true.

Exegesis would help eliminate that problem were people more inclined to pay attention to details

PrincetonGuy said:

we read in the Ancient Christian Commentary on Scripture: Old Testament, Volume I, Genesis 1-11 edited by Andrew Louth and published in 2001 by InterVarsity Press

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how nice for you.

PrincetonGuy said:

both the Old and New Testament writers expressly taught that the earth is flat.

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interesting speculation on that point given that not one example can be found in either OT or NT for the "world is flat" idea even though "walls fell down flat" In Josh 6:5 " and the wall of the city will fall down flat,"

Clearly they had the words for saying it. But not once do we see in OT or NT "the world is flat"

This is irrefutable.

PrincetonGuy said:

The Old Testament writers described the earth as being flat and covered with a strong, solid dome.

The Hebrew Masoretic text of Genesis 1:6-8 expressly describes the creation of a flat earth

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And yet - not once do we see in OT or NT "the world is flat"

PrincetonGuy said:

The Septuagint also expressly describes the creation of a flat earth covered with a dome that “separated the waters that were under the dome from the waters that were above the dome.”

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Indeed the OT describes water above the atmosphere and below it. And at the flood water comes in from above as well as from below the surface of the Earth.

yet - not once do we see in OT or NT "the world is flat" using the "Flat" concept we find in Josh 6:5

PrincetonGuy said:

Gen 1:6 Καὶ εἶπεν ὁ θεός Γενηθήτω στερέωμα ἐν μέσῳ τοῦ ὕδατος καὶ ἔστω διαχωρίζον ἀνὰ μέσον ὕδατος καὶ ὕδατος. καὶ ἐγένετο οὕτως.
Gen 1:7 καὶ ἐποίησεν ὁ θεὸς τὸ στερέωμα, καὶ διεχώρισεν ὁ θεὸς ἀνὰ μέσον τοῦ ὕδατος, ὃ ἦν ὑποκάτω τοῦ στερεώματος, καὶ ἀνὰ μέσον τοῦ ὕδατος τοῦ ἐπάνω τοῦ στερεώματος.
Gen 1:8 καὶ ἐκάλεσεν ὁ θεὸς τὸ στερέωμα οὐρανόν. καὶ εἶδεν ὁ θεὸς ὅτι καλόν. καὶ ἐγένετο ἑσπέρα καὶ ἐγένετο πρωί, ἡμέρα δευτέρα.

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Great examples of not finding "the Earth was/is flat"

PrincetonGuy said:

Genesis 1:6. And God said, “Let there be a dome in the midst of the waters, and let it separate the waters from the waters.”
7. So God made the dome and separated the waters that were under the dome from the waters that were above the dome. And it was so.
8. God called the dome Sky. And there was evening and there was morning, the second day. (NRSV)

Genesis 1:6. And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.
7. And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so.
8. And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day. (KJV)

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The issue at this point is not the curved dome atmosphere above Earth. Rather it is the missing statement "the earth was flat"
No "plate of the Earth" no "flat surface of the Earth" etc

PrincetonGuy said:

The KJV correctly translates the Hebrew word רָקִיעַ (râqı̂ya‛) as “firmament”

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Not the issue at hand

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, but most modern readers of the KJV are unaware of the meaning of the word “firmament,” and do not realize that it came down to us from the Latin

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Genesis, written in Hebrew, did not come to us from Latin.

Moses would not have known Latin from a hole in the ground.

PrincetonGuy said:

Matt. 4:8. Again, the devil took him to a very high mountain and showed him all the kingdoms of the world and their splendor;
9. and he said to him, “All these I will give you, if you will fall down and worship me.”
10. Jesus said to him, “Away with you, Satan! for it is written,
‘Worship the Lord your God,
and serve only him.' "

This could be true ONLY if the earth is flat!

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pure speculation.

Satan has more advanced technology than we have AND YET we can to this

"Creating 3D projections that float in the air requires sophisticated digital 3D projection machines. These devices use advanced optics and projection techniques to render images that appear suspended in space."

Having a big sky medium , is helpful. But I am not suggesting that Satan was limited to hologram technology as it is today.

Notice that both God and Satan take someone up to a high location and show them distant objects.

Deut 34:1 Now Moses went up from the plains of Moab to Mount Nebo, to the top of Pisgah, which is opposite Jericho. And the Lord showed him all the land, Gilead as far as Dan, 2 and all Naphtali and the land of Ephraim and Manasseh, and all the land of Judah as far as the western sea, 3 and the Negev and the plain in the valley of Jericho, the city of palm trees, as far as Zoar. 4 Then the Lord said to hi

PrincetonGuy said:

The theory of evolution does not say that the Bible is wrong because the theory of evolution is a matter of science

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That is nonsense.

Genesis says that God created Adam and Eve directly from the dust of the ground. There is no science at all that claims to prove that a being with infinite knowledge and capability cannot do that.

Genesis claims a fully formed mature biosphere (Earth) was supernaturally created by God in a span of 7 literal days.

There no science at all that makes the point that a being with infinite knowledge and capability cannot do that.

And we all know it.

You are overstating your case.

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and the Bible is a matter religion.

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True it is a matter of religion.

The Bible makes the case that God is able to accurately state facts of what He and others did in real history.

We all agree that atheists make the claim that God does not exist and so that option is off the table no matter how many times the Bible claims God did that very thing. This is the easy part.

Maria Billingsley said:

I'm sorry. It's just not how I know my Lord. I could adjust these lyrics to reflect Him and not the flesh. Sorry again for disturbing your connection to this music.

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That's okay, you didn't disturb anything. We are just different people.

It might help to see the "we" as the Church (capital C)

But it's likely just a worldview difference. My daily life is a battle (physical disability) and it helps for me to focus on Christ in my own battles. This song does that for me as it emphasizes Christ's triumphant return. Everything the Christian does in this life is waiting for the moment we will finally see Christ face to face.

I for one am excited.

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Nothing. Trump's naval task force off the coast of Venezuela has nothing to do with Operation Viper, either.

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I know someone there.

Paulos23 said:

Compared to ICE, ICE is scarier since they have government athourity on their side. Antifa only goes after select buildings and stores, ICE seams to be coming for everyone.

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The only people who should fear antifa are fascists.

Starting with Genesis 3:19 "until you return to the ground, since you were taken from it. For you are dust, and you will return to dust.”

Daniel 12:2
And many of those who sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, Some to everlasting life, Some to shame and everlasting contempt.
New King James Version

Brenton Septuagint Translation The Septuagint Lxx Bible is the scriptures in Greek which dates before the first century.
Psalms 37:29 "But the righteous shall inherit the earth, and dwell upon it for ever".
Psalms 37:11 "But the meek shall inherit the earth; and shall delight themselves in the abundance of peace."

John 12:48
The one who rejects Me and does not accept My teachings has one who judges him: the word which I spoke. That will judge him on the last day. New American Standard Bible

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Luke12:32
Fear not, little flock; for it is your Father's good pleasure to give you the kingdom. King James Bible

1 Corinthians 15:51
Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
King James Bible

Jesus also says: And so, dear brothers and sisters who belong to God and are partners with those called to heaven, think carefully about this Jesus whom we declare to be God’s messenger and High Priest. Hebrews 3:1 New living Translation

Lu 22:28-30
28 You are those who have stood by me in my trials. 29 And I confer on you a kingdom, just as my Father conferred one on me, 30 so that you may eat and drink at my table in my kingdom and sit on thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel. NIV

Rev 20:5-6
The rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were over. This is the first resurrection. 6 Blessed and holy is the one who shares in the first resurrection. The second death has no power over these; they will be priests of God and of Christ, and they will reign with him for [the] thousand years. New American Bible

Summary for those who sleep: "those who sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake" "the righteous shall inherit the earth, and dwell upon it for ever" "will judge him on the last day"

Summary for the little flock who goes to Heaven: "Fear not, little flock; for it is your Father's good pleasure to give you the kingdom"
"We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed" "so, dear brothers and sisters who belong to God and are partners with those called to heaven" "And I confer on you a kingdom, just as my Father conferred one on me, 30 so that you may eat and drink at my table in my kingdom and sit on thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel." "Blessed and holy is the one who shares in the first resurrection. The second death has no power over these; they will be priests of God and of Christ, and they will reign with him for [the] thousand years."

Scripture "context" alone for our understanding.

Abraham1st said:

you cant battle over different sects either. Love the people wherever they are, not what they are with.


1 Corinthians 1:11 For it hath been declared unto me of you, my brethren, by them which are of the house of Chloe, that there are contentions among you.
12 Now this I say, that every one of you saith, I am of Paul; and I of Apollos; and I of Cephas; and I of Christ.
13 Is Christ divided? was Paul crucified for you? or were ye baptized in the name of Paul?

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Okay so I'll translate. You don't debate and you don't battle, Even to defend the faith as you know it, and anyone who disagrees with you is contentious.

timechangers said:

In tbe last 5 years I have noticed people in my peer group at church (early 50's agewise) have been more distant.

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Of course I do not know the people you are talking about and I don't know your church. I have found that every person is unique. So, even if a few do the same thing, this does not mean they all have the same reason!!

So, each one can speak for oneself.

And I would say Jesus did not limit Himself to some group of ones who were like Him, but He shared with all kinds of people and loved any and all people enough to invest time in loving all different sorts of people.

His love is creative, for this.

So, I would say pray and be ready for love, however God has this go.

"And walk in love, as Christ also has loved us and given Himself for us, an offering and a sacrifice to God for a sweet-smelling aroma." (Ephesians 5:2)

My dearly beloved Catholic brethren - would you agree that (a) Eastern Catholics in communion with the Church in Rome and Pope Leo XIV are Catholics in the same way that Roman Catholics are, and (b) that their Septuagint-based Bibles, which have slight variations from your mostly Vulgate-influenced Bible, and include a small amount of additional material, as well as differences in wording, can be considered Catholic Bibles, and thus that the idea that the Roman Catholics and Eastern Orthodox (and the Coptic Orthodox, whose historic Bible was a Coptic translation of the Greek Bible) have different Bibles is fundamentally flawed? Or for that matter, that the historically Syriac-speaking Catholic churches that regard the Peshitta as their official Bible translation, such as the Maronite Catholics, Syriac Catholics, Malankara Catholics, Chaldean Catholics and Syro Malabar Catholics, likewise have the same Bibles, and are fully Catholic? And likewise for the Armenians?

It seems to me the only place where there might be validity to the idea of an Orthodox church having a different Bible from a Catholic church would be in the case of the Ethiopian Tewahedo Orthodox Church and the Eritrean Tewahedo Orthodox Church, whose ancient Ge’ez Bibles contain several books which are no longer extant in other languages, such as 1 Enoch and Jubilees, and an alternate set of books about the Maccabees, among other oddities, however, in that case, since there is an Ethiopian Catholic Church using the Ethiopian liturgy, its really a question as to whether or not that church uses the same Bible as the Ethiopian Orthodox, and I haven’t been able to find this out, since information about that particular Eastern Catholic Church is hard to comeby, but I also daresay it wouldn’t matter, since the difference in the contents of the Ethiopian Old Testament does not influence their doctrine, since these extra books have not altered in any respect their doctrine, which remains identical to that of the Coptic Orthodox Church of which they were until the 20th century a part, and it has also not produced any controversies in the course of Roman Catholic-Oriental Orthodox dialogue.

In general, the variations between the Old Testaments of the bibles used by the Orthodox, and those used by the Catholics are so small as to be basically irrelevant. Indeed the Septuagint was the source for the Psalter in the Vulgate, which was translated directly for the Challoner Douai Rheims (St. Jerome also did a translation of the Psalter from the Hebrew, but due to differences in versification between the surviving Hebrew text and the Septuagint text which would have broken the recitation of the Psalter, and perhaps a preference for the LXX Psalter, for example Psalm 95 v. 5 is clearer than the Hebraic equivalent 96 v. 5, although both are correct, Pope St. Damasus widely chose to keep the Septuagint Psalter as the offiical version, and that is the Psalter one will find in the Challoner Douai-Rheims (minus Psalm 151, which the Eastern Orthodox do not use liturgically, and presumably the Romans decided to remove to save space, since the Roman Rite at that time favored brevity, and the idea of including a psalm that was never prayed in the Psalter would have gone against that ethos of concise elegance that is the historical style of the Roman Rite as opposed to the longer and more flowery nature of the Mozarabic, Gallican, Byzantine, Coptic and West Syriac Rites (with the Ambrosian Rite, which has the Roman Canon but a Gallican Liturgy of the Word, is kind of in between the two extremes).

There is only one that cannot be forgiven

I have mentioned this before...

Trumps Pastor and Mentor was Norman Vincent Peal who equated Faith with positive thinking and confession.

We are seeing how such 'faith' works out in practice - as far as I can tell it seems to be a Cross-less faith fuelled by strong will, pride and mental acumen.

Confession of sin and repentance don't mix well with this approach to faith, and are noticeably absent.

This is a departure from the message and life of Jesus - confirmed by the writings of Paul.

If he found faith at an early age then the evidence of him walking in it and confessing Jesus is not easy to see.