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Average consumer now carries $6,329 in credit card debt. 'People are stretched,' expert says

There isn't enough gold on the planet to run the monetary system.
Yes there is.
Oil is pretty flat in real dollars with ups and downs.
I can remember when gas at the pump was 25 cents per gallon. I've been paying attention to the rise in price ever since.

I could also buy a loaf of bread for 25 cents back in those days.

I have a good memory.
Not if tendered at the cash register.
..and not if we consider its' numismatic value; but neither are what we are talking about
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Furious Democrats Call for Schumer to Be Replaced After Shutdown Cave

JUST IN: Schumer Claims Three of His New York Offices Received "MAGA" Bomb Threats (VIDEO) | The Gateway Pundit | by Cristina Laila JUST IN: Schumer Claims Three of His New York Offices Received "MAGA" Bomb Threats (VIDEO) | The Gateway Pundit | by Cristina Laila

Anyone else skeptical?
Nice to see you and the Gateway Pundit making light of threats of political violence.
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Superbook Classic & The Flying House

Both technically qualify as anime because Tatsunoko (animators of Speed Racer) was contracted by CBN & they have a Japanese version

you can watch them legally online for for free in English here:

Superbook Classic:
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL0zvCDP_0LjDzjfZ2jKEP6lZB22s2AHwN
This playlist is from CBN's Superbook YouTube Channel


Flying House:
Flying House Episode 1

Just change the number in the link up to 52 (as there is only 52 episodes) & you can watch any of the episodes

Does it matter what day Christ was crucified on?

So, I heard a theory that Jesus was crucified on a Wednesday, rather than Friday (as is commonly believed.) Therefore, he rose from the dead on Saturday (the Sabbath.)

Idk enough about this view to really either affirm or deny it, but is it a gospel issue?

Can a genuine Christian believe Jesus died on Wednesday, as long as he still agrees that he rose again three days later?

Zeal for God's House

“The Passover of the Jews was near, and Jesus went up to Jerusalem. And He found in the temple those who were selling oxen and sheep and doves, and the money changers seated at their tables. And He made a scourge of cords, and drove them all out of the temple, with the sheep and the oxen; and He poured out the coins of the money changers and overturned their tables; and to those who were selling the doves He said, ‘Take these things away; stop making My Father’s house a place of business.’ His disciples remembered that it was written, ‘Zeal for Your house will consume me.’” (John 2:13-17 NASB1995)

God’s house, prior to Jesus’ death on a cross and his bodily resurrection from the dead, was a physical temple (a physical building) built by human hands. In the temple, in the “Holy of Holies,” was the Ark of the Covenant, and it is where God’s presence dwelt. It was separated from the Holy Place by a curtain, and it was accessible only to the high priest who made yearly sacrifices for his own sins and for the sins of the people, as I understand.

But in Jesus’ death, that curtain was torn in two from top to bottom, symbolizing that the barrier between humans and God was removed, and now, by faith in Jesus Christ, we all can go directly into God’s presence, but not via a physical building called “church,” but via the Holy Spirit of God now living within us who are the church, the people of God, the body of Christ. Thus, God does not dwell in buildings built by human hands, but he dwells within us, by his Spirit, who have believed in Jesus to be our Lord.

So, God’s house today is the body of Christ, the people of faith in Jesus Christ. We are the church, his building, his temple, and we can meet together with other Christians anywhere appropriate for fellowship, prayer, teaching, discipleship, and for Christian ministry on any day of the week, at any time of day. And the meeting place doesn’t even have to be anywhere physical, for it can be via a phone call, or a text message, or an email, or on social media on the internet, or in the blogging world or on Christian forums.

Therefore, the church is not a building built by human hands, but it is us, the people of faith in Jesus Christ, wherever we gather. We are the temple of God, and his holy place now dwells within us. And when we gather together, it is to honor our Lord with our lives in doing what he has directed us that we must do together, as his body. And we are to gather together for mutual encouragement and edification, where each body part does its work as God assigned us our roles (body parts) within the universal body of Christ.

And our Lord is examining our lives individually, as well as collectively, and he is looking at what our gatherings are made of, and who is in charge of them, and what they are focused on to see if they align with his will and purpose for his body, his church. And he is seeing that many of these gatherings called “church” are not under his authority at all, but they are being led by marketing gurus who are training the “church” in how to attract the world to their gatherings, in place of being led by the Spirit of God.

And he is saying to the worldly church which has turned their gatherings into a marketplace to be marketed to the people of the world to “Take these things away” and “stop making My Father’s house a place of business.” And he is telling us all that we are not to turn our gatherings into places of businesses, and that we are not to partner with the ungodly of the world like so many are doing today under the name “church.” For so many have incorporated (merged, partnered) with the world to draw in large crowds.

[Matthew 21:12-13; John 2:13-17; Acts 5:27-32; 1 Corinthians 1:10-13; 1 Corinthians 3:1-9; 2 Corinthians 6:14-18; Philippians 3:18-19; Revelation 2:1-29; Revelation 3:1-22; Revelation 13:5-8; Revelation 18:1-5]

For if zeal for God’s house consumes us, this is not about loyalty and devotion to a building or to a business, but this is about us being passionate about sharing the truth of the gospel with the people of the world and caring for one another within the body of Christ to meet one another’s spiritual needs and any other needs that need to be met by us within the body of Christ. And it is about following our Lord in obedience to his commands in holy living, and it is about calling out the lies which we need to reject.

[Acts 2:14-18,42-47; Romans 12:1-8; 1 Corinthians 12:1-31; 1 Corinthians 14:1-5; Galatians 6:1; Ephesians 2:8-10; Ephesians 4:1-16; Ephesians 5:15-21; Ephesians 6:10-20; Philippians 2:1-8; Colossians 3:12-16; Titus 2:11-14; Hebrews 3:13; Hebrews 10:23-25; James 5:19-20]

Zeal for Your House

Based off John 2:17; Psalms 69:9
An Original Work / August 1, 2016
Christ’s Free Servant, Sue J Love


Zeal for Your house, it consumes me.
Lord, I love my times with You.
I love to worship You and sing Your praises.
Time in Your Word brings me closer to You,
List’ning to You speaking to me,
Gently guiding me in truth.

Lord, You are my life’s example,
Showing me how I should live.
I love to walk with You where’er You lead me.
No greater joy have I when serving You.
Loving, giving, resting in Your strength,
I’m yielding to Your will.

Zeal for Your house, it consumes me.
See the church turned upside down:
Marketing ventures taking place of worship,
Men of the gospel turning into clowns.
Gospel message made appealing,
So the world will feel at home.

Lord, we need a great revival.
Turn their hearts, Lord, back to You.
Open the blind eyes, turn them all from darkness,
Lord, to the light. May they return to You,
Turn from their sin, forsake idols,
Be restored to God again.

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Zeal for God’s House
An Original Work / December 2, 2025
Christ’s Free Servant, Sue J Love

To Hell or Not To Hell

The present age is the age we are in now, before Christ's return. The age to come is after Christ's return when the heavens and earth are renewed and God's kingdom is now on earth. There is no longer any death.

The term “age to come”, where did you get it from scripture?
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Trump to use wartime Alien Enemies Act of 1798 to deport illegal migrants from ‘enemy nations’: sources

Immigration judge fired by Trump administration files lawsuit claiming discrimination

Tania Nemer is one of scores of immigration judges that have been dismissed.

Nemer was "abruptly fired" in the middle of her probationary period despite receiving "the highest possible performance," the lawsuit alleges.

The former Cleveland judge is among the more than 100 immigration judges who have been fired, resigned through the Department of Government Efficiency's "Fork in the Road" offer, or transferred out of immigration adjudication, according to the union representing immigration judges.

The lawyers called the DOJ's position that it can fire federal employees without a reason -- despite civil rights statutes -- a "breathtaking assault on a landmark federal statute."
Among the hundreds of reforms needed, it is clear that the system of immigration judges under the control of the DOJ is not good. Put them under the management of the district courts like the magistrate judges.
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Trump signs executive order prioritizing faith-based participation in foster care

U.S. President Donald Trump signed an executive order Thursday that aims to improve the nation’s foster care system, including the modernization of the current child welfare system, the development of partnerships with private sector organizations, and prioritizing the participation of those with sincerely held religious beliefs.

The executive order issued Nov. 13 states that the Trump administration is “dedicated to empowering mothers and fathers to raise their children in safe and loving homes.”

The order says current problems with the foster care system include overworked caseworkers, antiquated information systems, and policies that “prohibit qualified families from serving children in need as foster and adoptive parents because of their sincerely-held religious beliefs or adherence to basic biological truths.”

The legal group Alliance Defending Freedom (ADF) has represented Christian families who were barred from serving as foster parents because of their faith, suing on behalf of Brian and Katy Wuoti and Bryan and Rebecca Gantt after the Vermont Department for Children and Families informed the two families that their belief that persons cannot change biological sex and that marriage is only between a man and a woman precluded them from serving as foster parents in the state.

Continued below.
Good! Leave the good faithful alone! They have God to answer to!
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Spending on Welfare is 'unchristian'

Productivity–Pay Tracker​

Change 1979q4–2025q2:

Productivity​

+87.3%

Hourly pay​

+32.7%

Productivity has grown 2.7x as much as pay


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The graph indicates that from 1948 until 1973 hourly wages and worker productivity operated largely in tandem!

starting in 1974, however, this link began to unravel - hourly compensation flat-lined while productivity continued with its upward trajectory!

Between 1979 and 2025 productivity increased by 87.3% while wages increased by a modest 32.7%!

That translates into an average increase of 1.4% per year in productivity versus 0,6% average increase in wages

Even !he advantage of a 2.7X factor in favor of productivity wasn't enough to satisfy some corporations transfer their manufacturing to off-shore locations - meanwhile citing high labor costs in America as the underlying justification!

Fast forward to 2025 with the Trump Administration with massive cuts being made to fund massive tax cuts for the wealthy
- federal s of Nov 18, 211,000 government employees have left the workforce
- insisting on stringent rules for the 42 million SNAP recipients,
- dispensing with financial support for Obamacare that translates into 10 million losing their healthcare insurance -a projected 15 million by 2034
- insisting that prices are decreasing despite evidence confirming the contrary

The wealthiest 50% of Americans own 98% of America's wealth, those at the very bottom of the other 50% with a combined 2% of the wealth and receiving government assistance have become the designated target by the rest of society!-

Meanwhile the top 0,1% which control 13.8% of the nation's wealth and benefited most from the productivity/wage gap since 1979 are waiting at the front of the line because they are deserving of yet another tax-cut - adding to the national debt that becomes the responsibility of all Americans


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"According to a 2021 White House study, the wealthiest 400 billionaire families in the U.S. paid an average federal individual tax rate of just 8.2 percent. For comparison, the average American taxpayer in the same year paid 13 percent."
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"The US government is estimated to have lost around $135 billion in revenue due to corporate tax avoidance in 2017. In contrast, corporate philanthropy has amounted to less than $20 billion a year.""

"Corporations shifted nearly $1 trillion in global profits to tax havens in 2022—depriving countries all over the world of desperately needed tax revenue.

According to the Institute on Taxation and Economic Policy, 23 of the largest and most profitable companies in the US paid no federal corporate income taxes from 2018-2022. And 109 corporations paid zero federal tax in at least one of those years."


The wealthiest members in American society are waiting in the wings while the poorer segments are fighting over "THE SCRAPS" - denouncing each other for taking advantage of the system! while the real culprits get a "FREE PASS!"


Interesting ... I'm not a USA resident but it can't be a coincidence that exactly from that year the gold-standard for the USD was abandoned (Bretton-Woods) and inflation started to erase the value of money in the USA (and similar patterns have emerged in other currency areas).
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There’s a Giant Flaw in Human History

I disagree with the meaning you are defining conscious experiences as. I don't think its about creativity. Thats a different aspect and one that can be linked to processes we can define redlating to form. It may be associated with consciousness.

But whatever is the conscious experience related to creativity it cannot be measured by science because the very nature of subjective experiences cannot be captured in material terms. So I think your conflating something thats not consciousness but a cognative intellectual process about defining the line between creative thinking and consciousness..

Still this is correlation and not accounting for the actual nature of conscious experiences. We can map out all the neural correlations of conscious experiences and know exactly what brain parts and wiring lights up. But none of this tells us anything about the nature of the experiences coming out of those firing mechanism. You cannot see the golden sunset in those brain activities. You have to ask the experiencer directly.

It is only the experiencer who is directly having that experience and gaining that knowledge from it. Like colorblind Mary. She could know everything about the brain activity but none of that gave her any experience or knowledge of colors. It was only when she could then see the color Red that she experienced it and gained new knowledge.

All the above does is like mapping out the corelations of consciousness is tell us the technical data of what happens in the brain when we have a conscious experience. It tells us absolutely nothing about that experience or the knowledge that comes from it.

Thats silly. If I could tell you that then I would have cracked the Hard Problem of Consciousness and so far no one has come near to this.

All I can say is I have shown that there is an aspect of knowledge that material science cannot explain. So there is knowledge beyond the objective empiricle knowledge that tells us something about reality.

Methological naturalism deals with the naturalistic processes that are measurable through testing. That is matter, particles, chemicals, elements, forces and fields. So it is material or if you like physical in nature. Any non physical effect like consciousness is classed as an epiphenomena of the physical.

Actually its now classed as science and not magic. But to the ancients this was like magic. For all we know it may well have been. If you consider that nature has a prenancy test available then it shows how much in nature are the solutions to almost anything. Thats like magic and especially to the ancients.

But none of this tells us anything about how they discovered such things. I am saying that because of their deep immersion in nature consciously that its no surprise they were discovering such things as they came to know how nature worked through an intimate relationship with in.

As opposed to material science when has to first collect a lot of data to work out how nature works in the first place by looking from the outside in. Then after centuries of information come to understand such things.

Yes I have been saying that for some time now. Science cannot tell us anything about the supernatural. Yet it is a reality and gives us knowledge that methological naturalism cannot tell us.

Science cannot falsify God or consciousness beyond the physical brain. That means it cannot claim it holds all the knowledge of nature and reality. That means as the ancients lived within this supernatural realm more often or completely they gained knowledge that we cannot get today from material sciences.

Well we can but its taken millenia. Even then we are still struggling with stuff like consciousness and phenomenal experiences like belief.

In some ways methological naturalism is hitting brick walls and is naturally looking at ideas that involve other dimensions that could almost be classed as supernatural. Like the idea that Mind or Consciousness or Information itself is fundemental reality that the material world eminates from.
As usual you just don’t get it.
Technological progress prior to the advent of Methological Naturalism occurred by accident such as the Kahun Medical papyrus pregnancy test, or through inspiration or creativity which has a physical basis using the analysis of Einstein’s brain as a reference.
Do I need to remind you the point of this nonsensical thread is the ancient Egyptians possessed hi level technologies which is now due to some deep connection with nature where you cannot explain how the technologies emerged let alone evidence of their existence?

Now we have colorblind Mary as a philosophical argument which is irrelevant as it deals with subjective experience and whether physical knowledge captures consciousness and has absolutely nothing to do with the actual evidence of the technologies used by the Egyptians in manufacturing and construction.
Get over it, the evidence clearly shows the Egyptians used tooling as discovered by the archaeologists not your deluded, cognitive dissonant and confirmation bias relying on pseudoscience sites and amateurs claiming to be experts on Egyptian manufacturing.
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6 Craziest Revelations From Scathing Report on Kash Patel — Including His Refusal to Leave a Plane Until He Was Given a Female Agent’s Jacket

So the tolerant left who provides litter boxes in our schools for the kids that identity as cats, and preformed gender realignment surgery with out parental consent, and forces drag queen reading in the classroom all of a sudden is loosing their minds because a Republican wore a female jacket.
Do we really need another FBI head wearing women's clothing?

-- A2SG, dunno, maybe it's a job requirement....
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Why we are not supposed to keep the Sabbath

There is no Scripture that says Moses wrote the Ten Commandments on tablets of stone, sorry if I don’t just take your word for it over what God said plainly.
sure... i never said that either. You seem to be confusing some ideas together. Moses never wrote anything on the tablets; I never said that or even suggested it. Although he carved the final version (since he destroyed the first) God still put the commandments on it (using his finger as you like to so often remind me). However, this doesn't change the fact that the contents of the tablets were already part of a covenant relationship prior to the physical tablets themselves. This couples the tablets with the existing covenant, rather than separating them from it, unique to the tablets themselves (which is such a strange idea, I'm not even sure if that's what you're saying)

As a simplified example, X speaks commandments to Y and Y agrees. X then makes a more permanent display of the commandments, showing the most vital; the remainder are written down in something more exhaustive (but all from X). The permanent display piece does not become separate to the written-down piece; they are still under the same original agreement, and they work together. This is exactly how Ex 20-40 shows it. Why you are trying to separate them into distinct covenants is beyond me, but the text doesn't support this motivation.

You than again make arguements I have not made such as rejecting transcripts. Moses wrote the law of Moses written by Moses in a book. It’s what the Scriptures plainly state Deut31:24;26. God wrote the Ten Commandments on tablets of stone Deut 4:13 Exo34:28 Exo31:18 His Laws Exo20:6, not Moses.

And what of the laws in Ex 21, 22, and 23? These are God's commandments (not Moses), along with Ex 20 (the 10 commandments), that all of Israel agrees to in Ex 24 in a blood covenant. Ex 24 itself calls it "the LORD'S words and laws". Moses is acting as a mediator, not an author, and the contents of Ex 20-23 are all God's commandments and laws not Moses
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"Don't Give up the Ship"

I said that earlier myself.

Maybe they'll find a way to let him weasel out. It depends on how bipartisan the Congressional complaints get. All it does is feed fuel to the fire of troops being sure not to obey illegal orders, particularly if the lower ranking people catch heat.

He wouldn't have had to say anything, simply not do it. The survivors of the later boat were rescued alive.
Guess what? They weren't all Venezuelan.
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Trump commutes 7 year prison sentence for former private equity executive David Gentile who defrauded 10,000 investors

So what crimes are acceptable for a president to pardon?
In theory, any crime is eligible to be pardoned, because pardons are primarily about the person, not the crime. Generally speaking, I'm not opposed to pardons in cases where there appears to be a miscarriage of justice or where the law has changed such that what the person was convicted of is no longer a crime (or is a much less serious crime - e.g. a misdemeanor instead of a felony). Commutations make sense in cases where the person has been a model prisoner, has served a significant chunk of their sentence, and has shown an effort to reform and give back to the community. But that's really about it.
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The Reality of Free Will

Well, I'm glad to hear you admit you are not addressing the OP, but only an argument that exists in your head, because the OP is proving free will exists in man. Nothing else.
I am talking about the op. The op claims Adam acted on his own free will which is a noun. All of the terms you use to prove this "thing" free will are adjectives, not nouns.

So watch this: When you say God created his children with free will, notice how if we fill in the blank with the terms you provide as proof it doesn't make any sense.

God created his children with voluntary
God created his children with willing
God created his children with uncoerced
God created his children with unforced
God created his children with willful
God created his children with intended
God created his children with deliberate
God created his children with intentional
God created his children with free-willed


Since you do not have anything against this information,

The Bible says, at Hosea 14:4, in part...

The Hebrew expression nedabah (נְדָבָה) is rendered freewill offering, freely, plentiful, voluntary, offering, willingly, offering.
This Hebrew word comes from the Hebrew word nadab, of which Topical Lexicon says...
The verb נָדַב consistently underlines a movement of the heart that is neither coerced nor merely dutiful. It describes people stirred from within to give, serve, or step forward because they have first been moved by God. Throughout Scripture this spirit of readiness is linked to worship, stewardship, civic responsibility, and warfare, revealing a multifaceted biblical theology of voluntary devotion.

At 1 Corinthians 9:16-18, verse 17 says,

Paul uses the Greek word hekón: Willing, Voluntary. Which means of one's own free will.
According to Thayer's Greek Lexicon...
STRONGS NT 1635: ἑκών
ἑκών, ἑκοῦσα, ἑκον, unforced, voluntary, willing, of one's own will, of one's own accord: Romans 8:20; 1 Corinthians 9:17. (From Homer down.)

At Philemon 1:14, Paul says...

The Greek word hekousios - meaning free will, is the neuter of a derivative from hekon; voluntariness -- willingly, which is (an adjective, a primitive term) – properly, willing; "unforced, of one's own will, voluntary" (J. Thayer), i.e. acting on one's own accord. The root (hek-) emphasizes intentional, deliberate action (choice), i.e. "of free-will" (J. Thayer).
voluntary
adjective​
Done or undertaken of one's own free will.​
a voluntary decision to leave the job.​
Acting or done willingly and without constraint or expectation of reward.​
a voluntary hostage; voluntary community work.​
Normally controlled by or subject to individual volition.​
The act of willing or choosing; the act of forming a purpose; the exercise of the will.​
The result of an act or exercise of choosing or willing; a state of choice.​
The power of willing or determining; will.​

As well as this information
Adjective

Voluntarily imposed upon oneself
voluntary

freewill

uncoerced

unforced

willing

willful

intended

deliberate

conscious

ungrudging

willingly given

intentional

free-willed

Then we have nothing else to talk about.
Freewill; Free will; Free-willed decisions are indeed a reality.
That is my point.
These terms you've listed are neutral terms in the moral/immoral context. Therefore, in the moral/immoral context, you still have not proven Adam was not persuaded by the woman who was deceived, and you still haven't proven people can be good apart from God's Spirit.
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