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Delvianna · 2025-12-11T09:05:11-0600

I feel like this conversation needs to be had because I'm seeing a lot of people argue a theological statement and it's purely because some AI gave them the answer. So I want to say this plainly.

AI IS NOT THE HOLY SPIRIT.

God is supposed to guide us to truth and understanding.

"But when he, the Spirit of truth, comes, he will guide you into all the truth. He will not speak on his own; he will speak only what he hears, and he will tell you what is yet to come." - John 16:13

AI's logic isn't even that good because it bases its answers on whatever you want to hear. It will bypass logic rules if the answer will make you happy. It learns what you like and manipulates the answers based on that. It's called Reinforcement Learning From Human Feedback (RLHF) and ALL large models like ChatGPT and Gemini are trained using that. Here's an interview with the creator (Link) that talks about the dangers of AI and Sam Altman (the CEO of OpenAI) even recognizes it truth bends. Here is a link that talks about some of the problems AI has (Link). You can also check out Lily Jay's youtube channel to see how biased it really is.

Due to this, you are running the risk of being led down a wrong theological path when you have AI think for you in both interpretation AND scripture weaving. Can it be a helpful tool? Sure, if you ask it to translate something or use it like a glorified google search "find me all the scripture passages that uses the word ____" but when you expand its use and start basing your beliefs off its answers, you are running down a dangerous road that I seriously hope you stop and get off of. You are placing it's "wisdom" over God's and you're taking God out of the equation of learning and guidance at this point which leads you to making AI your own private idol.

Please, please, stop doing this... this doesn't lead to anywhere but problems.

Kathleen30 · 2025-12-11T09:03:13-0600

Strong in Him said:
Thank you for your reply.
I will try and answer the rest of your post later, but my answer to this is, no, science is not in direct conflict with the Bible.

Genesis 1 says that in 6 days God made heaven and earth. The dispute has always been over "what is a day?"
Some people take that to be literal - 6 days of 24 hours; 72 hours in total. For me, that raises several questions:
i) what took him so long? God is God, he can heal, restore and create instantly. He could bring the whole universe into being in a moment. Why did the author of Genesis say that he split it into 6 "days"? Why did God create things separately - stars before trees, for example? Why did he create the sky on the 2nd day but only create birds on the 5th day? Why did he create 2 things - dry land and sea, which he said were good, and all vegetation and seed bearing plants, which he also said were good - on the third day?
ii) God is outside time. Peter said that with the Lord, a day is AS 1,000 years (a verse which is often misquoted.) What may seem like a day to God could be 1,000 or even, thousands of, years to us.
iii) I read an article once which said that scientists are coming to believe that the universe was created in the same order that is described in Genesis. IOW, first of all, there was light, then water, then dry ground, trees etc, then animals etc etc.

So it is perfectly possible that a "day" in Genesis 1 could be a period of time - maybe 1,000 years, maybe longer.
Only people who take the whole of the Bible to be literal will argue that 1 day = 24 hours. From that, they conclude that scientists are wrong, or lying. This, sometimes, leads to ridiculous conclusions like "the devil is using science to trick us", or "God put fossils on the earth to test our faith". Both of which I have heard Christians saying.

The purpose of Genesis 1 is to show WHO created the universe - God. It tells us what he thought of his creation - good, or very good. And the implication is that God created for a reason. Most people have reasons for doing things - the implication is that God created because he wanted to.
THAT is what Genesis 1 is about and that is what scientists cannot answer. They have no reason for creation - other than maybe a few atoms collided and somehow produced everything.

And there are many scientists who are Christians, and believe Genesis 1 and also what they know to be true as a result of their studies.
God created - end of.

Stronginhim wiliest it is true a thousand years can be referring to a long period of time 500 yrs a 1000 yrs 2000 yrs etc as with other passages where a thousand years is mentioned. In the context of 2nd Peter3;8 it seems to be an admonishment to believers to stand firm in their faith from scoffers who question the Lords return. Meaning that with the Lord a day is thousand years and a thousand years a day . And that God has unlimited time to fulfill his plan.

So can we use use the verse of 2nd Peter of a day meaning a long period of time like thousands or millions of years in the Genesis acount of 6 days of creation. Probably not because it has no bearing or reference to Genesis

.And there be others reasons why the 6 days of creation cannot be taken as millions or billions of years. Because God in his providence it seems has put 2 gigantic marble columns with their foundation set in cement by each day to stipulate what he meant . It goes something like this ( day one And the evening and the morning day 2 And the evening and the morning day 3 and the evening and the morning day 4 and the evening and the morning day 5 and the evening and the morning day 6 and the evening and morning. ) the text is clearly talking about 24 hour days. I do say perhaps scientist’s at least the ones who claim to be Christians should maybe question that there is something wrong with their dating methods and that the Bible says exactly what it says and that the science that is do confidently promoted is absolutely wrong and not the Bible

You did mention in your previous reply about why scientists are not trusted by the public . I did look into that some . In one survey I found. The pew research centre it gives a 51 percent figure for scientists who believe in God or a divine force or power. The other 49 percent being atheists. For the everyday community it was a 95 percent belief in some form of God and 5 percent atheist. The survey is rather old 2006. But I did find a more up to date surveys from 2020 onward the IERE org ( what percent believe in God ) it pretty well says much the same just not with stats that everyday people seem to believe in God in higher percentage wise than scientists. Maybe that is part of the mistrust of the scientific community. I do not fully know. And maybe after all the COVID lies where people had to endure losing their freedoms their jobs if they not take the jab and others being forced against their will and being thrown in jail if they so questioned the scientific line. All that and considering that 99.9 percent of people recovered with or without the jab . Stronginhim perhaps that’s another reason why people don’t have the reassurance of trust towards the scientific community as before. I’m just reading your thoughts on how slow was God in creating the world. Some funny : ) poor God no 7 days. You expect instantaneously

Michie · 2025-12-11T09:02:22-0600

Hail Mary,
Full of Grace,
The Lord is with thee.
Blessed art thou among women,
and blessed is the fruit
of thy womb, Jesus.
Holy Mary,
Mother of God,
pray for us sinners now,
and at the hour of our death.
Amen

FAITH-IN-HIM · 2025-12-11T08:52:23-0600

Valletta said:
What’s happening here is so obvious. CNN doesn’t want to know the truth and they don’t want their viewers to hear it either. They would prefer to just keep pushing all of their anti-Trump lies without inconvenient interruptions.
Miller could easily destroy all of their talking points and they know it.

Stephen Miller Says Trump White House Has Offered to Put Him on CNN at 'Any Time' to Respond to Their Numerous Lies But They Won't Have Him On (VIDEO) | The Gateway Pundit | by Mike LaChance

Trump adviser Stephen Miller appeared on the Sean Hannity show tonight and claimed that the White House has made him available to appear on any CNN show at any time of day to discuss any topic, in an effort to respond the many lies they tell every day but that the network is refusing to have him on.

www.thegatewaypundit.com

This article nailed it, it was the same with Charlie Kirk and so many others.

The simple fact is that CNN possesses the constitutional right to carry out its activities. While I may not agree with their broadcasting approach, their actions are fully protected by the U.S. Constitution. Similarly, all news media in America—whether conservative or liberal—have this fundamental right. Importantly, the President of the United States does not have the authority to dictate how the media operates.

However, I saw this morning that the President of the United States has commented on potential buyers and management for CNN. Additionally, conservative media outlets have initiated a negative campaign against CNN. Is this thread part of that campaign?

SabbathBlessings · 2025-12-11T08:48:37-0600

ARBITER01 said:
You're whole spill means nothing to me,....

Gal 5:17 For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh; for these are contrary the one to the other; that ye may not do the things that ye would.
Gal 5:18 But if ye are led by the Spirit, ye are not under the law.

You're just wasting your time arguing.

Well I can check with GOD about that.

If you read the very next verse in Gal 5 and you will see "being led by the Spirit" does not mean we can break the holy law of God. Honestly, this should be just common sense.

This is what happens when we love Jesus and when He gives us His Spirit

John 14:15 “If you love Me, keep My commandments. 16 And I will pray the Father, and He will give you another [e]Helper, that He may abide with you forever— 17 the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it neither sees Him nor knows Him; but you know Him, for He dwells with you and will be in you. 18 I will not leave you orphans; I will come to you.

We become one of His saints

John14:12 Here is the [a]patience of the saints; here[b] are those who keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus.

And this love and faith reconciles the NC believer back to Him

Rev 22:14 Blessed are those who do His commandments, that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter through the gates into the city.

This is someone who is not walking in the Spirit

Rom 8: 7 Because the [c]carnal mind is enmity against God; for it is not subject to the law of God, nor indeed can be. 8 So then, those who are in the flesh cannot please God.

And which direction that leads

Mat 7:23 And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’

What Paul is really saying if we don't cut off the context which was in the very next verse. Being under the law obviously does not mean not keeping it, but not under its condemnation- the wages of sin is death. Those who are in Him are keeping the law through His Spirit, not breaking it as the clear Scripture states.

Gal5:19 Now the works of the flesh are evident, which are: adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lewdness, 20 idolatry, sorcery, hatred, contentions, jealousies, outbursts of wrath, selfish ambitions, dissensions, heresies, 21 envy, [f]murders, drunkenness, revelries, and the like; of which I tell you beforehand, just as I also told you in time past, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.

The law breakers are outside God's Kingdom Rev22:15 and only God can define His law and Testimony and He did. Exo20:6 Exo31:18 Isa8:20

DaisyDay · 2025-12-11T08:48:07-0600

Donald Trump's Gold Card: Every visa that exists in America | World News - The Times of India

US News: Discover the Trump Gold Card, a new expedited immigration pathway for wealthy individuals seeking U.S. citizenship through existing visa categories. Explore its implications on America's immigration landscape and the debates surrounding its elitism.

timesofindia.indiatimes.com

1. Non-immigrant visas (temporary)These visas function like short-term passes to the American experience.

B-1/B-2: Business meetings and Disneyland.
F-1, M-1, J-1: Academic degrees, vocational training and exchange programmes.
H-1B: The famous (and famously oversubscribed) speciality occupation visa.
H-2A/H-2B: Seasonal agricultural and non-agricultural labour.
L-1: Intra-company transfers, popular with global corporates.
O-1: The “extraordinary ability” category, favoured by scientists, artists and people who can convincingly prove they are exceptional.
P visas: For athletes, performers and touring groups.
E-1/E-2/E-3: Treaty traders, investors and certain Australian professionals.
TN: Professionals from Canada and Mexico.
I / A / G: Media, diplomats and international organisation personnel.
C/D: Crew and transit.
R-1: Religious workers.
U/T: Victims of crimes and trafficking.
Q-1: Cultural exchange roles.

These categories keep the US economy, universities and cultural circuits running. They also keep immigration lawyers comfortably employed.
2. Immigrant visas (permanent residence)This is where the Gold Card wants to land its applicants.

EB-1: People with extraordinary ability, outstanding researchers and top-tier executives.
EB-2: Advanced degree holders and individuals of exceptional ability.
EB-3: Skilled workers, professionals and some unskilled roles.
EB-4: Special immigrant categories such as religious workers and certain government employees abroad.
EB-5: The classic investment route, long plagued by backlogs and uneven project outcomes.
Family-based visas: Spouses, children, parents and extended family of US citizens or permanent residents.
Diversity Visa lottery: A global lucky draw for underrepresented countries.
Humanitarian paths: Refugee, asylum and special juvenile classifications.

Hans Blaster · 2025-12-11T08:25:16-0600

BCP1928 said:
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The chosen one.

Robban · 2025-12-11T08:21:12-0600

stevevw said:
A hypothetical. If the bible is true and humans are in a fallen state and can only be redeemed by the tranforming blood of Christ into a new person in mind and spirit.

Then how can anyone who is not born again ever be able to truely not sin. If they do not live by the spirit but by the flesh then ultimately they will sin. They will be open to sin and corruption. Especially when in high places and positions of power and money as these are the gateways to sin without Christ as temptation is hard enough. Let alone subjecting oneself to a higher temptation.

Therefore it seems to me that if the bible is true then it stands to reason that now that secular society has completely detached itself from God that it will be inevitable that our leaders will sin and be corrupted in one way or another.

Now I know people will say, what about the church when in power and all its abuses. This is true. But I am talking about being born again and these abuses are of the flesh even though it is religion.

I am talking about as the early church was living by Christs teachings and the fellowship of the bread in Christ. Exampling Christ to the point of sacrificing themselves like Christ.

I say this as I think the sin and corruption has become so great in the world that some are returning back to the simple basics of the early church and setting an example that is above reproach.

Therefore if Christs church does rise up and can set this example of purity in being Christlike and faultless that no charges can be held against them. Do you think that this example would be enough to show that it is only through Christ that we can be set that example to the world.

Its not that people don't know right from wrong. Rather than it seems to me with all the corruption and abuse we are seeing with our leaders that we can only truely be morally good is by being reborn in Christ.

It is not God who is the problem, He can and will forgive, the problem is man as in man-man,

the last five of the big ten concern man-man.

and the overstepping is enormous, not a little

due to uncontrolled tongues.

Important to remember, "Remember what God did to Miriam." (Deuteronomy 24:9)

essentialsaltes · 2025-12-11T08:19:16-0600

Trump still hasn’t endorsed a plan to avoid impending Obamacare hikes for millions

President Donald Trump has not endorsed a plan to prevent Obamacare rates from spiking in three weeks, leaving Republicans without a clear path ahead of a key vote.

On Thursday the Senate is expected to vote down the only GOP plan on the table, an effort by Sens. Bill Cassidy (R-La.) and Mike Crapo (R-Idaho).

White House policy teams are “looking at a lot of different avenues” and doing their own “analysis,” said one White House official, granted anonymity to discuss internal deliberations.

That has left Republicans on Capitol Hill without detailed direction from Trump and a very small legislative window to act, creating a chaotic scramble to coalesce around a solution.

“I love the idea of money going directly to the people, not to the insurance companies, going directly to the people. It can be in the health savings account, it can be a number of different ways,” Trump told reporters on Tuesday night. “And the people go out and buy their own insurance which can be really much better health insurance, health care.”

[He doesn't have a concept of a plan; nor does White House staff.]

The Barbarian · 2025-12-11T08:18:13-0600

Wannabee dictators know how to deal with violence. But unless they have complete control of the society, they are helpless before ridicule. The collapse of Trump's attempt to take over Portland lies not in mobs answering violence with violence, but with giant frogs doing the hokey pokey.

Jesus would approve.

JulieB67 · 2025-12-11T08:17:31-0600

1Tonne said:
Your argument is built on emotion, not Scripture.

So throw out all of the scripture that points to life or death? There's nothing that suggests that everlasting shame and contempt could not point to death. That would have been the last thing placed on that person. And that would be final and everlasting.

I used to believe as you did -having been taught this doctrine. But it was scripture itself that directed me to the truth. Especially when taking the bible as a whole.

1Tonne said:
It gives a contrast of two different people groups.

As does one of the most well known verses-

John 3:16 "For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in Him should not perish, but have everlasting life."

Only one person gets everlasting life in that verse, the other perishes. It does not state they have everlasting "life" in hell. The wages of sin is death period.

And Christ states that the Lake of Fire is the second "death". He still states fear the one that can destroy both body and soul in hell. Which is a second witness to the verses in Malachi on what will happen to the wicked. They will burn up, so much so that there will be neither root or branch left. They will be consumed to ashes. That's what a fire does. But I take it you're another person that doesn't believe death is really death. If one wants to believe that, one could believe anything.

1Tonne said:
, not Scripture

Most of the Bible points to life or death. There are many scriptures pointing to the fact that the fate of the wicked is death. Anyone can pick out a few verses and produce a doctrine but we have to take the bible as a whole.

1Tonne said:
If someone raped and murdered a member of your family,

Most want the death sentence. And that's the punishment portrayed in the bible as well.

1Tonne said:
Yet when the infinitely holy God judges the unrepentant who trample His grace for a lifetime

Our Father has a brand of justice, his eternal consuming fire has wiped out cities, etc. But those fires are not still burning at this moment. They are unquenchable by our standards but it does not mean they will not burn out. They served their purpose as will the Lake of Fire. Afterwards the former things will pass away and he will make all things new.

What are your views on unbelievers from another religion? Will they burn for an eternity?

Aryeh Jay · 2025-12-11T08:16:25-0600

essentialsaltes said:
About face: Lawsuit targets plan to put Trump's image on popular national parks pass
An environmental organization on Wednesday sued the Trump administration over plans to use a rendering of Trump on an all-access annual national parks pass for next year, characterizing the move as the "crassest, most ego-driven action yet" from the administration.

Federal law requires the pass to feature the winning photo of the National Parks Foundation's annual public lands photo contest, which for the 2026 pass is an image of Montana's Glacier National Park, the organization said.

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"Instead of filing frivolous lawsuits, this leftist group should be thanking President Trump for enhancing opportunities for Americans to enjoy our beautiful national parks," White House spokesperson Anna Kelly said in response to the suit.

Looks better than mine.

PloverWing · 2025-12-11T08:14:28-0600

Ah, I see now. A google search tells me that Mere Christianity has been published with more different covers than I realized. The cover designs on my two copies look like this, both fairly simple:

So I guess my previous comments should be directed to the publishers, not to you. But I'll stick with my earlier thoughts. Publishers shouldn't add subtitles that Lewis didn't write, and they shouldn't Americanize his spelling.

2PhiloVoid · 2025-12-11T08:04:46-0600

Dan1988 said:
That's wrong, because here's why God created languages. This will prove that "mans wisdom" contributed nothing.

Genesis 11:7-9
7 Go to, let us go down, and there confound their language, that they may not understand one another's speech.
8 So the Lord scattered them abroad from thence upon the face of all the earth: and they left off to build the city.9 Therefore is the name of it called Babel; because the Lord did there confound the language of all the earth: and from thence did the Lord scatter them abroad upon the face of all the earth.

So yes, you can burn your diploma

So God "created" the English language [and all of the languages spoken around the world today] during the Tower of Babel incident? Really?

Well, whatever the case may be, I'm not worried that Hell is either an ongoing fire or an extinguishment from existence. Both are bad and I'm open to either perspective.

ThatRobGuy · 2025-12-11T08:03:01-0600

mindlight said:
Your graph is interesting but it seems you have misunderstood it. The big four nations and minor successful nations are net contributors mainly because they are richer than the rest. Belgium is not as successful as the Netherlands and so its economy needs net support as does most of Eastern Europe which is still playing catch up with the West after the catastrophe of Communist rule. The EU redistributes wealth from rich to poor via this donation system but the strength of German manufacturing coupled with an exchange rate that is deflated for German manufacturers by being in a club with weaker nations means that Germans have a massive trade surplus with Europe and so get a lot of their money back that way. That said Belgium is not pulling its weight as it is richer than most East European beneficiaries

But that would still dovetail into what I was saying... You mentioned that Belgium isn't pulling their weight. Them being in that cushy situation of being able to "phone it in" while still getting some handsome receipts from the arrangement would almost certainly be, in some part, due to their proximity to the nucleus of the whole operation I would think.

In some ways, I view it sorta the same way I view the Stock Exchange and de facto "seat" of the US finance sector being in NYC. It makes sense of for that stuff to be HQ'd "where the action is".

If all the major players in the banking and investment scene are in NYC (along with the most influential branch of the Federal Reserve), it wouldn't make sense to try to prop up the Stock Exchange over in Topeka Kansas.

And undoubtedly, if that were to occur, some "small potatoes" organizations in Topeka would most certainly have some outsized influence that they otherwise wouldn't have. And practically speaking, when it comes to big changes that could have more sweeping impacts in the finance sector, it makes more sense for JP Morgan and Citi bank to have better proximity access than it would for Topeka Savings and Loan.

NewLifeInChristJesus · 2025-12-11T08:01:29-0600

Michie said:
Now, I’ll bet that the vast majority of you reading this think that you made a personal decision — all on your lonesome — to receive Christ, and once done, you were a child of God in the faith.

"All on your lonesome" is what is known as a straw man. It wrongly characterizes other peoples' beliefs, then sets out to disprove it. I don't doubt that there may be some people out there who think salvation comes after a strictly personal decision without any outside influences, but I have not encountered any. So I dougt seriously that "the vast majority of you reading this" think that way.

Apple Sky · 2025-12-11T07:43:41-0600

I'm feeling rubbish, have just made a doctors appointment.

fhansen · 2025-12-11T07:42:26-0600

DamianWarS said:
The 10 are presented to a post-exodus Israel and establish a covenant relationship. They are framed in a way for a specific time, place and people and we shouldn't expect them to be universal as they were never presented that way. We cannot superimpose the 10 over Christian living and expect the same results because we are not in the same conditions the 10 were made in. The 10 have monotheistic claims and moral pillars framed in a way that uniquely challenges Israel and the surrounding cultures (through Israel). In the NT Christ reframes these as a heuristic approach over a list of dos and donts that is often summed up by NT authors as "loving your neighbour as yourself,"; this is known as "Christ's law".

It is this law that is fundamental and reaches deeper than the 10 can ever. First, "You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart,” this includes the monotheistic claims of the 10 but also far greater. it is not only about idolatry, graven images and using his name in vain (which of course are not consistent with loving God with all your heart), but also innately our every action as directly involved with obedience to love God. Christ calls this the greatest commandment. The second is to love your neighbour as yourself. and this certainly includes not murdering your neighbour, stealing, lying, sleeping with their wife, etc... but it goes far deeper. We are no longer merely resisting doing harm, but Christ flips it and tells us we should be actively seeking to love others.

The 10 simply do not go to this length, and I may keep the 10 but hate my neighbour (and yes, even hate God), which is inconsistent with Christ's law. We cannot approach Christ if we cannot seriously approach our own actions critically to align with Christ. Christ's law has this goal, where the 10 are lacking, and we can keep the 10 while failing to critically address sin in our lives. This is the conversation Christ has with the Pharisees; it wasn't about how well they kept the law, Christ was more interested in their heart. The heuristic approach in Christ's law is not about a check list, and we must actively participate in understanding how our actions contribute to loving God/neighbour.

In its day the 10 were radical claims and ways of thinking challenging not just Israel but surrounding cultures too as a polemic to show order and restoration under God, but Christ's goes deeper than the 10 ever can; He is interested in letters of not just "the heart" but "OUR heart" which is the place where the value is birthed, but he is not interested in the letters on stone which can be exploited to support our own sin and may be devorced from our heart. It is good to think that murder, adultery, stealing, etc... are wrong but most (if not all) would accept this throughout all of civilization without any prompting and the 10 do not hold dominion over these moral claims. It is better to cut to the heart over a motivation to resist evil (which is limited, especially when condensed to 10), but actively be involved with doing good in all our actions. Christ himself tells us "it is lawful to do good on the Sabbath" (Mat 12:12), establishing that goodness itself is above sabbath law (directly) but also more broadly is a comment on all law and a nod to his own commandment that is Christ's law. This focus you will find is far more consistent throughout the NT.

I agree with most of this completely and yet this is the very reason Jesus could truthfully say in Matt 19:17,
"If you want to enter life, keep the commandments”, referencing the ten,

and Paul could say In Rom 2:13:
"For it is not those who hear the law who are righteous in God’s sight, but it is those who obey the law who will be declared righteous."

or in Rom 8:12-14
Therefore, brothers and sisters, we have an obligation—but it is not to the flesh, to live according to it. For if you live according to the flesh, you will die; but if by the Spirit you put to death the misdeeds of the body, you will live. For those who are led by the Spirit of God are the children of God."

The new covenant is not about whether one must be obedient but rather about how one becomes obedient, authentically, and, yes, love, which fulfills the law by its nature (Rom 13:10), is that authentic means. It's the righteousness that the law and prophets only testify to but cannot accomplish in us (Rom 3:21-22). That accomplishment comes solely by virtue of becoming united with the Vine, by communion with God, the very source of love. And that union, that ingrafting, is first established by faith.
"...not having a righteousness of my own that comes from the law, but that which is through faith in Christ—the righteousness that comes from God on the basis of faith" (Phil 3:9).

Aryeh Jay · 2025-12-11T07:41:59-0600

wing2000 said:
Oil futures rose yesterday after news of the ship's seizure was announced.

"This is just yet another geopolitical/sanctions headwind hammering spot supply availability," Rory Johnston, an analyst with Commodity Context, said.

Good job Donald. It's almost as though he wants to increase the price oil. Shell oil, who ships 150,000 barrels per day to the US from Venezuela, should be happy with higher prices though.

https://www.reuters.com/world/americas/trump-administration-seizes-oil-tanker-off-venezuela-coast-us-officials-say-2025-12-10/?utm_source=Sailthru&utm_medium=Newsletter&utm_campaign=Daily-Briefing&utm_term=121125&lctg=62347fe4ea3e6439186f0ea6

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samaus123456789 · 2025-12-11T07:39:30-0600

CLEEB said:
Before anyone becomes a Christian they are “in the world“ , they are unconverted and still in their sins. The scripture says all have sinned, just what is it that determines this ? What is that we have done that makes us sinners ? Scripture says we need Jesus to have these sins forgiven, so we need Jesus to take away whatever it is that says we are sinners. I know we are saved from our sins but what is it that calls us sinners
because that is what we need saved from. All people need saved from whatever it is that calls us sinners. People in the past, the present and the future all need saved from whatever it is that says we are sinners.
Sure, we need saved from sin but sin is the result of whatever it is that defines what sin is. What is it ?

Adam, and Eve the first sinners. God created everything good and very good so no disease or pain or death but they broke Gods one command to not eat from the tree of knowledge of good, and evil so God cursed the world in Genesis 3. All humans after them have 'sinned'. Creation was around 5500 BC. Creation . com and answers in genesis have articles about creation vs evolution biology fossils etc if someone has not looked into that already.

Romans 3:20 Therefore no one will be declared righteous in God’s sight by the works of the law; rather, through the law we become conscious of our sin.

So apparently Gods perfect law involves sacrificing animals on a temple mount temple in Judea, not wearing mixed fabrics, stoning other people to death, not eating shellfish, not once lying. So everyone has broken those laws. And it was saying even if someone followed all it still doesn't make them righteous only belief in Jesus death burial resurrection does. Eventually in Revelation 20-22 in the future in the new Jerusalem there is no more curse from Genesis 3. Believers have glorified bodies not ones that get sick and worn out like on earth, and believers life forever with God Jesus angels etc.

1 Corinthians 2 9 No eye has seen, no ear has heard, no mind has conceived what God has prepared for those who love him

1. The Origin of Human Sin — Adam’s Fall

Genesis 3 (the entire chapter)

Human sin begins when Adam and Eve disobey God.

Specific verse describing the consequence:

Genesis 3:6

“The woman took of the fruit… and ate; she also gave to her husband… and he ate.”

This act introduces sin and death into human history.

Genesis 3:17

“Because you have eaten… cursed is the ground because of you.”

2. All Humans Inherit a Sinful Nature

Psalm 51:5

“Surely I was sinful at birth, sinful from the time my mother conceived me.”

Shows sin is not just actions — it’s a condition.

Job 14:4

“Who can bring a clean thing out of an unclean? No one.”

This describes inherited impurity.

⚖️ 3. All People Commit Sin

Romans 3:23

“For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God.”

This is the clearest universal statement.

1 Kings 8:46

“There is no one who does not sin.”

Even the Old Testament states universal sinfulness.

Ecclesiastes 7:20

“Surely there is not a righteous man on earth who does good and never sins.”

4. Adam as the Source of Human Sin

Paul’s theology directly connects all human sin to Adam’s act.

Romans 5:12

“Through one man sin entered the world, and death through sin, and in this way death came to all men, because all sinned.”

Romans 5:19

“Through the disobedience of the one man the many were made sinners.”

This explains why we are sinners — we inherited Adam’s fallen condition.

5. Sin is Universal in the Human Heart

Jeremiah 17:9

“The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked.”

Mark 7:21–23

Jesus explains sin comes from within:

“From within, out of the heart of man, come evil thoughts… All these evils come from inside and defile a person.”

6. Humans Cannot Attain Righteousness on Their Own

Isaiah 64:6

“All our righteous acts are like filthy rags.”

Even our best deeds cannot erase our sinfulness.

⭐ Summary: Why Humans Are Sinners (Biblical Teaching)

Adam’s original rebellion brought sin into the human race (Rom. 5:12).
All humans inherit a sinful nature (Ps. 51:5).
All commit personal sins (Rom. 3:23).
The human heart is corrupted and produces evil (Jer. 17:9; Mark 7:21).
No one is righteous by themselves (Eccl. 7:20; Isa. 64:6).

Put together:

We are sinners both by inheritance and by personal choice.

samaus123456789 · 2025-12-11T07:31:21-0600

Maria Billingsley said:
Lets keep the context of the conversation, claiming that there exists " inspired" texts outside the Tannak and New Testament.

This is the comment I am referring to:

"Actually at the time of Christ different groups of Jews recognized different lists of books as Holy Scripture. "

This is what Jesus Christ of Nazareth said about traditions of men:

Mark 7:8-9, 13 (NKJV):
“For laying aside the commandment of God, you hold the tradition of men—the washing of pitchers and cups, and many other such things you do.” He said to them, “All too well you reject the commandment of God, that you may keep your tradition. ... making the word of God of no effect through your tradition which you have handed down. And many such things you do.”

Matthew 22:29 (NKJV):
> “Jesus answered and said to them, ‘You are mistaken, not knowing the Scriptures nor the power of God.’

During His ministry, Christ Jesus challenged Jewish leaders who derived their authority from sources beyond the established written Tannak. The primary target of His condemnation was the Pharisaic Oral Tradition (the "tradition of the elders"), which they treated as divine law, yet He rebuked them for allowing these man-made rules to nullify the written Word of God (Mark 7:8, 13, NKJV). Separately, groups like the Essenes relied on circulating Apocryphal and Pseudepigraphical books for unique doctrines, while the Sadducees rejected everything but the Torah. By consistently citing and emphasizing the entirety of the written Scriptures and condemning the Sadducees for "not knowing the Scriptures" (Matthew 22:29, NKJV), Jesus fundamentally rejected the legitimacy of any new, non-prophetic authority, be it oral legalism or speculative literature, that attempted to supplant or add to the authority of God's established written revelation.

Jesus actually quoted 1 Enoch to the Sadducees, and told them they were ignorant of the scriptures (1 Enoch). Also the ystuff up a story in Tobit so Jesus was saying they were ignorant of that too.
Mark 7 explains what one of the traditions of the elders was- saying they devote their money to God therefore can't help their parents with it. Jesus said based on the law of Moses you should be KILLED for this. Traditions of the elders was not referring to 1 enoch or Jubilees or test of the 12 or any other inspired non pseudepigraphal books. There is no such thing as biblical pseudepigrapha as far as I know. There is no evidence of any anyway. The pharisees focused on the letter of the law and neglected the spirit of the law the 2 great commandments and mercy justice compassian. tithing spices was not in the written torah but Jesus had no problem with it as long as they followed the spirit of the law as stated.

Shane R · 2025-12-11T07:25:00-0600

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Genesis 11:7-9

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So yes, you can burn your diploma

1. The Origin of Human Sin — Adam’s Fall

Genesis 3 (the entire chapter)

Genesis 3:6

Genesis 3:17

2. All Humans Inherit a Sinful Nature

Psalm 51:5

Job 14:4

⚖️ 3. All People Commit Sin

Romans 3:23

1 Kings 8:46

Ecclesiastes 7:20

4. Adam as the Source of Human Sin

Romans 5:12

Romans 5:19

5. Sin is Universal in the Human Heart

Jeremiah 17:9

Mark 7:21–23

6. Humans Cannot Attain Righteousness on Their Own

Isaiah 64:6

⭐ Summary: Why Humans Are Sinners (Biblical Teaching)