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stevevw · 2025-12-06T02:04:38-0600

Stopped_lurking said:
I must have missed when legal experts on the September 2nd strike said that the second attack was ok. I tried searching for it, but found mostly articles that said it was illegal. Do you have a link?

Edited to add. I found a CNN clip.

There you go then. All this jumping the gun stuff is typical of those who hate Trump and his admin. Lets just let all the facts come out.

What I find telling is that Trump haters are quite willing to crucify him and his admin at the drop of a hat making all sorts of crazy claims. Its their MO and its happened time and time again. They did it to Kirk and others. Attacked Musk and his business just because he was associated with Trump.

I don;t trust one word the legacy media and Trump haters say.

Strong in Him · 2025-12-06T01:53:06-0600

Apple Sky said:
There is no curvature, the earth is not a sphere,

The earth's a circle but it's not a sphere.
Right.

Apple Sky said:
the stars are different b/c it depends whether your in the north or the south & it's all due to perspective just as the sun is, in it's rising & setting.

That's not explaining anything - that's just repeating your claims.

stevevw · 2025-12-06T01:45:21-0600

GoldenBoy89 said:
That wasn't meant as a compliment.

Yes it was. It waas the US mainly along with the allies that stopped the Nazis and established order in the world to some degree. At least as far as the evil regimes that were trying to take over the world.

Australia very much depends on US alliance as we are not in a position to defend outselves from such evil doers.

Reluctant Theologian · 2025-12-06T01:35:03-0600

JohnB445 said:
I do take advice from AI, but I learned to not treat AI like it is perfect in its answers.

I asked AI about forgiveness, it said it's a good thing, but not good to forgive those who are not remorseful, and who are still malicious.

I would find it hard to forgive those people, and very hard to forgive someone who took pleasure in hurting me.

What does the Bible say, am I supposed to really forgive a murderer that killed my mom and dad if it happened? It did not happen just as an example, what if the murderer doesn't take any accountability has no remorse, and the murderer took pleasure in his crimes. Am I still supposed to forgive?

It's better to use examples/cases that you can relate to personally - are you struggling with forgiveness for something yourself?

Apple Sky · 2025-12-06T01:20:24-0600

David Lamb said:
Incidentally, you seem to have strange idea of what perspective means.

It means;

outlook

view

viewpoint

point of view

standpoint

position

Miaomiao · 2025-12-06T01:19:39-0600

Japan will be destroyed.

Japan will take part in World War III, which in turn leads to suffer a nuclear attack in 2029.

In the secular world,the nation’s population mortality rate will be about 80%, the Imperial Bloodline will end, and most of the country will lay in ruins after nuclear attack.

In the divine realm,Amaterasu,the protector of Japan will die.

Among the 80% of the population who will perish in a nuclear attack, the souls of about 70% will be destroyed

Amaterasu is in collaboration with Lucifer,so her dead will be a major setback for Lucifer’s Master Plan.

David Lamb · 2025-12-06T01:17:09-0600

Lily76_ said:
. We have Teen Challenge that helps anyone with additions and homelessness.

I think you may have meant "addictions" rather than "additions." (Not criticising - just to avoid misunderstanding)

stevevw · 2025-12-06T01:16:44-0600

RDKirk said:
Nobody viewing the videos seems to have seen that except Tom Cotton. Everyone else reports seeing a vastly different picture.

Actually Cotton is backing Admiral Mitch Bradley a decorated officer who was in charge and stated it was a justified strike as they were still in the game.

JohnB445 · 2025-12-06T01:12:55-0600

I do take advice from AI, but I learned to not treat AI like it is perfect in its answers.

I asked AI about forgiveness, it said it's a good thing, but not good to forgive those who are not remorseful, and who are still malicious.

I would find it hard to forgive those people, and very hard to forgive someone who took pleasure in hurting me.

What does the Bible say, am I supposed to really forgive a murderer that killed my mom and dad if it happened? It did not happen just as an example, what if the murderer doesn't take any accountability has no remorse, and the murderer took pleasure in his crimes. Am I still supposed to forgive?

Miaomiao · 2025-12-06T01:00:42-0600

World War III will break out in 2026 and last for six years before concluding. The old world order will then come to an end. The Luciferian dark forces currently manipulating Western Nations from behind the scenes will retreat, the rule of God will be restored, and the world will be re-Christianized.

America's mandate has ended. The liberal international order, sustained by Pax Americana, will cease to exist after the war. The United Nations, secular nation-states, and liberal democracy will all be consigned to the dustbin of history.

A portion of the old state powers will be destroyed by nuclear bombs, born from the very darkness they themselves nurtured.

As a crucial part of the divine plan for humanity's redemption, he will personally choose a devout Christian monarch in the East. Holding his hand, God will raise up a universal empire aligned with Christian ideals and righteousness. Using this empire as a sword, He will judge this fallen world, and the monarchy-aristocracy system will be restored.

The future of the world is a New World Order led by the emerging Christian Universal Empire.

2037 (tentative) marks the beginning of the New World Order.
A new era of mythology has arrived.
The Eastern Crusaders will wage war against all anti-Christ forces.

The future of the world is a New World Order led by the emerging Christian Universal Empire.

「“Who has stirred up one from the east,calling him in righteousness to his service?He hands nations over to him and subdues kings before him.
He turns them to dust with his sword,to windblown chaff with his bow.」(Isaiah 41:2 )

David Lamb · 2025-12-06T01:00:40-0600

jas3 said:
That's not the comparison I was making. Calling someone "your honor" is weird in everyday life, but is perfectly acceptable and even expected in court. Calling your friend "sir" would be weirdly formal, but it's appropriate when addressing a superior or a stranger. We use different levels of formality, different kinds of language, based on our circumstances.

But both "Your honour" and "sir" are used in contemporary English. That is nothing to do with using language from over 400 years ago in prayer.

David Lamb · 2025-12-06T00:58:04-0600

jas3 said:
Why? It's natural to change how formally you act depending on the circumstances.

But we are not discussing the formality of the language used, but the age. One can speak formally in modern English, and although I haven't heard anybody do so, I am sure one could speak informally using 1611 language.

David Lamb · 2025-12-06T00:51:36-0600

Apple Sky said:
There is no curvature, the earth is not a sphere, the stars are different b/c it depends whether your in the north or the south & it's all due to perspective just as the sun is, in it's rising & setting.

But that's not evidence. It is just making some more statements. Incidentally, you seem to have strange idea of what perspective means. Perspective makes things look smaller the further away they are from us. Perspective doesn't cause people in the north to see different stars to those people in the south see, not does it cause sunrises and sunsets.

RileyG · 2025-12-06T00:50:16-0600

Bob Crowley said:
I've said this before and it is private revelation, but I used to be Presbyterian.

Sometime after I'd become Catholic, my Presbyterian pastor (who had died several years before) turned up one night in a vision and said "The Catholic Church is CLOSEST to the truth", with a distinct emphasis on the word "closest". He didn't say it had all the truth or was necessarily correct in everything, but was CLOSEST to the truth.

We had discussed Catholicism and Protestant divisions while he was still alive, and he was getting cynical about all the Protestant divisions, saying at one time "When it comes to theology, Protestants couldn't agree how far to spit!"

But that was my experience.

You need to work through your decision for yourself and RCIA is the way to start. It's the only way actually as it is a necesary step in the journey.

Perhaps he’s still in purgatory.

Praying now for him!

God bless!

7thKeeper · 2025-12-06T00:48:51-0600

Factotum said:
I think that it stands to reason, your great idea pertains to peaceful maritime cruise across the seas. I can't see how it also protects pirates, drug runners, etc... when using the seas as a tool to break the law. Especially when they are cognizant of how their criminality kills multitudes of humans.

Im not sure what you are trying to argue here or how it logically relates to what you quoted. The examples given before and the topic make it clear that we aren't talking about just peaceful maritime events. And I'm not sure how "no physical surrendering gestures required" makes you think "oh this must apply only to peaceful maritime". If a military vessel has blown up a pirate boat and there are survivors in water, yes, they should be picked up. Heck, the British understood this and picked up the survivors of Bismarck, and this was after they'd blown up the Hood.

Bob Crowley · 2025-12-06T00:48:45-0600

I've said this before and it is private revelation, but I used to be Presbyterian.

Sometime after I'd become Catholic, my Presbyterian pastor (who had died several years before) turned up one night in a vision and said "The Catholic Church is CLOSEST to the truth", with a distinct emphasis on the word "closest". He didn't say it had all the truth or was necessarily correct in everything, but was CLOSEST to the truth.

That was all he said, and then he just disappeared again.

We had discussed Catholicism and Protestant divisions while he was still alive, and he was getting cynical about Protestant division, saying at one time "When it comes to theology, Protestants couldn't agree how far to spit!"

But that was my experience.

You need to work through your decision for yourself and RCIA is the way to start. It's the only way actually as it is a necesary step in the journey.

eclipsenow · 2025-12-06T00:40:34-0600

Guojing said:
And there is a reason why the Acts church followed Luke 12:33 literally, and sold all their belongings to give to the common pool (Acts 2:44-45, Acts 4:32).

Why do you think no church does that today?

Peter was not joking when he told the lame beggar in Acts 3 "silver and gold I have none"

Sure, there are certain sign-acts of the Apostles with a certain applicability as the gospel events unfolded.
I agree 100%.

But again, we know Peter and John went out from Jerusalem, and we suspect from history that more apostles then joined them later.

Again - what is the point? Even if I grant that they never left Jerusalem except for Cornelius.

What is the point you are trying to make, and how does it relate to escahtology?

eclipsenow · 2025-12-06T00:36:31-0600

Guojing said:
You realized no one in Israel was "surprised" that Jesus was born?

Please demonstrate that "Israel" as such went "Oh yeah, here's our Messiah, right on time!?" :doh:

First - I apologist as I posted too soon - and then went back to editing it.
There are points there you have not been able to address.

Now - about Israel not being "surprised". What on earth? Of course they were!?
And they rejected Jesus - generally speaking.
Otherwise, why did Jesus weep over Jerusalem?

Luke 19
41 As he approached Jerusalem and saw the city, he wept over it 42 and said, “If you, even you, had only known on this day what would bring you peace—but now it is hidden from your eyes. 43 The days will come upon you when your enemies will build an embankment against you and encircle you and hem you in on every side. 44 They will dash you to the ground, you and the children within your walls. They will not leave one stone on another, because you did not recognize the time of God’s coming to you.

Guojing said:
Mary certainly didn't reply to Gabriel "What, how come God suddenly want to send his son to Earth?"

Mary's humble obedience is a model for our own godliness, not a litmus test of the NATION's faith.

Guojing said:
The 69th week is the week of the cross, where the Messiah is cut off, so as Peter said in Acts 2:16-21, Israel were certainly aware that they were at the "last days" which is the 70th week.

Except that's you reading into Daniel (where many theologians I respect think it might be about Antiochus the Third).
I've also heard it being Jesus. None of them work out literally, even with the mathematical wiggle-room of asking which particular decree of the Persians let them go home, etc. None work. So it's a symbolic use of time, and there are examples of Jewish writers doing that.

Jubilees, a Jewish book from the period between the Testaments, also structures the whole of history into periods of 490 years. Adherents of the literal view fall into three categories. As with other prophecies in Daniel, some commentators interpret the verses with reference to the time of Antiochus IV. Other interpreters may be divided into two groups: (a) those who interpret the passage as having its primary focus on events associated with the First Advent of Christ and shortly thereafter (first-advent view); (b) those who interpret the passage as having reference to events associated with both the first and second advents of Christ with an unstated time interval between the two (second-advent view). Within each of these categories individual interpreters differ on details.” Dan 9:24–27 - ESV Reformation Study Bible - Bible Gateway

So you've taken one view, and are reading it into Peter's mind, when Peter is quoting

Then you're reading it into Peter, when he's actually quoting Joel!

Guojing said:
You think he said Acts 2:16-21 for the sake of it? Read it literally and tell me what is it saying.

Um - no.
I will not read Apocalyptic Symbolism literally.
That is not how you are meant to read it!

Bradskii · 2025-12-06T00:35:49-0600

Factotum said:
I think that it stands to reason, your great idea pertains to peaceful maritime cruise across the seas. I can't see how it also protects pirates, drug runners, etc... when using the seas as a tool to break the law. Especially when they are cognizant of how their criminality kills multitudes of humans.

Good heavens, man. We're not talking about someone whose yacht has hit a reef. We are talking about how it is illegal even in wartime to kill shipwrecked survivors. Would you argue against this sort of cold blooded killing if it was on land? Why ever would you? The principle is the same. It's bad guys delivering drugs.

What difference does it make blowing up their truck as opposed to their boat? No warning. No due process. Just kill them all. And if a couple manage to survive, then give it an hour or so and if they're still alive then wander over and shoot them in the head.

GoldenBoy89 · 2025-12-06T00:35:11-0600

stevevw said:
The US use to be the worlds police

That wasn't meant as a compliment.

prodromos · 2025-12-06T00:32:39-0600

FromWesternCanada said:
What threat is NATO to Russia?

What threat was Cuba to the USA? When you answer that question you will have answered your own question. (Look up the Cuban missile crisis)

FromWesternCanada said:
I know Russia is now threatening Nuclear war with Europe. But if the base of NATO being Christian, with Christian causes, what's the problem?

NATO is not Christian. What ever gave you that idea?

FromWesternCanada said:
Sorry, I'm really ignorant to a lot of stuff.

Unfortunately you are ignorant of a great deal.

FromWesternCanada said:
Edit- So, Putin's just mad he's being told what countries he can invade and what countries he can't?

Putin wouldn't have invaded Ukraine if NATO had honoured their promise not to expand toward Russia. NATO officials have since publicly stated that they had no intention of honouring their side of the deal. Isn't lying for your advantage a principal of Islam? It certainly isn't a Christian principal.

FromWesternCanada said:
I know Russia needs to be nuked, before anywhere else. We must cut this thing off at the legs. That sounds horrendous 'Nuke Moscow'... but act before Putin, whatever that means.

No, globalism needs to be cut off at the neck. After the Cold War ended, Russia was keen to become part of the West, however it was not in the interests of the industrial war machine to have Russia as a peaceful ally so they have always been painted as the aggressor (Russians are always depicted as evil in Hollywood).

FromWesternCanada · 2025-12-06T00:26:45-0600

I start the OCIA within 4 months. But my 'conversion' to understanding Catholicism, it was really just grasping Apostolic Succession, the Traditions that pre-dated the laymen building by many, many years. I just first thought, well, Apostolic Succession, that sounds like a God plan. It really is CRUCIAL to trusting the Bible. Then I got into the whole 'Schism' thing, and tried to understand how one would take sides. Then I understood that the Roman Catholic Church, God would have to have 'started poorly' for it to have taken off to the East. I'm not trying to be lazy in my words with 'started poorly', I just think it sums up the insanity of anything but Roman Catholicism. I've also got a Rosary, and it feels like there is some kind of change 'in the air' after Praying it. I always knew Christ was KING... and the 'evangelicals' I knew, weren't Christians I wanted to be. So, it really came down to the broadness of Evangelicism, or the 'umbrella' of Roman Catholicism. I think that makes sense. But yea, the Church is TRUE. I feel that just by showing admiration for Mother Mary in Prayer, and other ways I try to understand God. I started off on the right foot, knowing it was Jesus Christ of the Trinity. Another reason for the East to be questionable. I just think, God shows me things now, that He didn't before.

eclipsenow · 2025-12-06T00:18:56-0600

Guojing said:
You are aware of the order specified in Luke's version of the Great Commission Luke 24:47?

Sure!

“This is what is written: The Messiah will suffer and rise from the dead on the third day, 47 and repentance for the forgiveness of sins will be preached in his name to all nations, beginning at Jerusalem. 48 You are witnesses of these things. 49 I am going to send you what my Father has promised; but stay in the city until you have been clothed with power from on high.”

Beginning in this context means starting, not staying.

In case there is any doubt, Acts 1:8 settles it. This is to the Apostles themselves!

8 But you will receive power when the Holy Spirit comes on you; and you will be my witnesses in Jerusalem, and in all Judea and Samaria, and to the ends of the earth.”

The apostles themselves received power.
The apostles themselves were to witness in Jerusalem.
The apostles themselves were to expanding out to neighbours, then people they didn't like very much, then the ends of the earth.

Beginning means exactly that.

And that as I have shown repeatedly - Peter and John went out - at least for some missions.
I'm still not really not sure what point you are trying to make?

Also - historical narratives indicate various apostles did go out - but I'm not an expert historian enough to figure out what might have some validity, and what is mere hagiography.

Guojing said:
The 12 were aware that the final week of Daniel's prophecy, the 70th week, will begin anytime after the cross (Acts 2:16-21), once Acts 7 happened and national Israel stoned Stephen, Peter was expecting that final week to begin anytime (1 Peter 1:5-9),

I'm curious - as theologians I read find Daniel 9's 70 weeks to be some of the toughest Apocalyptic Symbolism to decode. Can you demonstrate that this is how the 12 read these passages?

Oh - and the whole Great Commission and Gospel itself is for love, but I guess what you are saying is they had a strategic mission focus.

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