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Apple Sky · 2025-12-03T21:31:18-0600

prodromos said:
The problem you have is that the 'lost diary' was brought to your attention by Dean Odle which in your mind gives it an automatic pass since you appear to consider him to be nearly infallible.

I already knew about the lost diaries, in fact I had already purchased the book before Dean had even mentioned it, Dean is not always first to be in the know about stuff.

This does show that we both think on the same lines so he can't be all that wrong

Fervent · 2025-12-03T21:29:43-0600

Hentenza said:
“All Scripture is inspired by God and beneficial for teaching, for rebuke, for correction, for training in righteousness;”
‭‭2 Timothy‬ ‭3‬:‭16‬ ‭NASB2020‬‬

2 Timothy 3:16 All Scripture is inspired by God and beneficial for teaching, for rebuke, for correction, for training in righteousness | New American Standard Bible - NASB (NASB2020) | Download The Bible App Now

All Scripture is inspired by God and beneficial for teaching, for rebuke, for correction, for training in righteousness

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If scripture is inspired by God then it is infallible. All extra biblical material is not God breathed and therefore fallible. The OP is correct.

If historical-cultural context are consulted, God-breathed has nothing to do with inspiration. It's expiration that is in view, which is why it is useful...because God makes the text alive.

The OP seems to promote at least 2 traditions that developed in the late middle ages in sola scriptura and the sui generis nature of the Bible such that it can be called the Word of God in its own right rather than functioning as an icon.

RocksInMyHead · 2025-12-03T21:26:37-0600

Hentenza said:
It doesn’t.

Then why bring it up?

Hentenza said:
After the war the ones that escaped and were captured were put on trial. During the war most top nazi’s were either killed or took their own lives.

The suicides are irrelevant. As far as I know, only Heydrich (of the major Nazi figures) was killed during the war (in 1942).

samaus123456789 · 2025-12-03T21:25:33-0600

Douggg said:
What chapter and verse in Esther are you referring to ?

I summarized the whole book. Maybe read it again or listen on audiobook on 2 times speed or ask chat gpt for a summary or better ask chat gpt to explain how ezekiel 38, 39 happened in esther.

samaus123456789 · 2025-12-03T21:24:41-0600

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Guojing said:
Do you notice the order stated in Luke and Acts? Begin at Jerusalem, then Judea/Samaria, then the whole world.

The 12 + James never left Jerusalem in their lifetime, because the nation of Israel never accepted Christ as their Messiah. Cornelius was a one off incident and he was saved under the same program that Israel had.

yeh. on pentecost 3000 converted and would of gone back to all those countries listed, and started churches and yes paul was unkown to judean churches it said somewhere so for years it was only Judean christians but eventually by pauls time gentiles start converting and colossians 1 23 says the gospel has been preached to the whole world and that was 62 ad so by then tons of greco romans had become christians.

PloverWing · 2025-12-03T21:20:50-0600

The books (and movies) are not explicitly religious, but they do explore the question of power and control, and I think that's an important ethical area for Christians to think about.

As to the value of life, I'd say the books speak especially of the value of lives in poorer districts -- folks like farm workers and Appalachian coal miners. That's a point worth making. The books also speak uncomfortably of a population that's willing to go along with the hunger games -- why? Because the viewers are entertained? Because the stability of Panem's authoritarian government makes their lives more comfortable? Because they're too afraid to say anything? All interesting, and very human, motivations to explore.

JSRG · 2025-12-03T21:15:38-0600

The Barbarian said:
I'm thinking that Trump was supposing that the democrats would never stoop so low as to Gerrymander states they controlled.

It's a truism that grifters are themselves quite gullible.

I may not have the highest opinion of Trump's intelligence, but I expect he's aware that Democrats can and will gerrymander, given that plenty of Democratic-controlled states have done so. For just one example, take Illinois's notorious congressional district map (source):

More plausibly, he (or whoever was the one who suggested it to him) thought that the Democrats had already gerrymandered so much in their states that they really couldn't gerrymander harder enough to make up for the gains the Republicans hope they'd with their Texas gerrymander, but overlooked the way California could increase it, or thought it unlikely that its citizenry would embrace gerrymandering so much as to actually deliberately vote for it.

The Barbarian · 2025-12-03T21:12:10-0600

Landon Caeli said:
Chemical signaling between different plants is an unprovable statement, just like morphic resonance.

The acacia trees that were being eaten gave off a warning gas (specifically, ethylene) that signaled to neighboring trees of the same species that a crisis was at hand. Right away, all the forewarned trees also pumped toxins into their leaves to prepare themselves.
...
Suzanne Simard of the University of British Columbia in Vancouver has discovered that they also warn each other using chemical signals sent through the fungal networks around their root tips, which operate no matter what the weather. Surprisingly, news bulletins are sent via the roots not only by means of chemical compounds but also by means of electrical impulses that travel at the speed of a third of an inch per second. In comparison with our bodies, it is, admittedly, extremely slow. However, there are species in the animal kingdom, such as jellyfish and worms, whose nervous systems conduct impulses at a similar speed.

Tree roots extend a long way, more than twice the spread of the crown. So the root systems of neighbouring trees inevitably intersect and grow into one another-though there are always some exceptions. Even in a forest, there are loners, would-be hermits who want little to do with others. Can such antisocial trees block alarm calls simply by not participating? Luckily, they can’t. For usually there are fungi present that act as intermediaries to guarantee quick dissemination of news.

Trees and Insects: An Unseen Communication Network

Scientists observed that giraffes on the African savannah adapt their feeding behavior in response to acacia trees releasing toxins and warning gases when threatened. Trees communicate through chem…

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martinlb · 2025-12-03T21:10:15-0600

Thanks for the thoughtful replies about the KJV. I wasn't thinking about that version of the bible but I can now see how I shouldn't have entitled this thread "KJV".

What I meant to bring up is how some people actually speak, or try to speak, in King James English. And the to the best of my knowledge King James style speaking is around 700 years old. What's the reason for using it?

The Barbarian · 2025-12-03T21:06:12-0600

eleos1954 said:
Hard to say what the "real truth" is

Comes down to evidence. And they just got caught.

Hentenza · 2025-12-03T21:02:11-0600

concretecamper said:
If 2Tim3:16 said only Scripture is inspired by God, you'd have a point, but it doesn't, ugh, hypocrites.

It does say exactly that. Nothing else is included in the verse. Anything else you would be adding to the verse.

Hypocrites? Do you think that is a nice thing to call fellow Christians?

RocksInMyHead · 2025-12-03T21:01:03-0600

BPPLEE said:
How in the world would you know that these people are just poor fishermen?

The families of some of the people killed have spoken up. And, just logically speaking, that's who you'd want to hire for a job like this. They know how to operate a boat, they know the waters, they're willing to work for cheap, and if they're caught, they can't reveal anything of substance because they don't know anything. I'm not going to claim that every person on those boats was a poor fisherman (or someone similarly divorced from the actual cartel structure), but I'd bet most of them were.

And, again, the point is that it doesn't really make a difference who they were, precisely.

Akita Suggagaki · 2025-12-03T21:00:03-0600

Aryeh Jay said:
The only real truth comes from God.

Cant we expect “some” truth from our president? Not that we expect it any more. I am not a Democrat nor lefty. Just a guy who hopes to see character in those who represent us and holds them accountable when they fail.

Douggg · 2025-12-03T20:59:51-0600

samaus123456789 said:
I explained exactly when it happened in esther. you believe myths rather than sound doctrine. repent of your false teachings.

What chapter and verse in Esther are you referring to ?

concretecamper · 2025-12-03T20:58:08-0600

Hentenza said:
“All Scripture is inspired by God and beneficial for teaching, for rebuke, for correction, for training in righteousness;”
‭‭2 Timothy‬ ‭3‬:‭16‬ ‭NASB2020‬‬

2 Timothy 3:16 All Scripture is inspired by God and beneficial for teaching, for rebuke, for correction, for training in righteousness | New American Standard Bible - NASB (NASB2020) | Download The Bible App Now

All Scripture is inspired by God and beneficial for teaching, for rebuke, for correction, for training in righteousness

bible.com

If scripture is inspired by God then it is infallible. All extra biblical material is not God breathed and therefore fallible. The OP is correct.

If 2Tim3:16 said only Scripture is inspired by God, you'd have a point, but it doesn't, ugh, hypocrites.

samaus123456789 · 2025-12-03T20:54:38-0600

Douggg said:
No, Ezekiel 38-39 has not happened yet. The proof is in Ezekiel 39:11, there will be a mass grave site in Israel named the valley of Hamongog.

No such site exists in Israel.

Ezekiel 38:8, Ezekiel 38:16, Gog/Magog to happen in the latter days, latter years.

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I explained exactly when it happened in esther. you believe myths rather than sound doctrine. repent of your false teachings.

Hentenza · 2025-12-03T20:54:07-0600

concretecamper said:
Something Scripture doesn't teach

Like I said, Object truth, Scripture doesn't teach that only Scripture is infallible.

“All Scripture is inspired by God and beneficial for teaching, for rebuke, for correction, for training in righteousness;”
‭‭2 Timothy‬ ‭3‬:‭16‬ ‭NASB2020‬‬

2 Timothy 3:16 All Scripture is inspired by God and beneficial for teaching, for rebuke, for correction, for training in righteousness | New American Standard Bible - NASB (NASB2020) | Download The Bible App Now

All Scripture is inspired by God and beneficial for teaching, for rebuke, for correction, for training in righteousness

bible.com

If scripture is inspired by God then it is infallible. All extra biblical material is not God breathed and therefore fallible. The OP is correct.

samaus123456789 · 2025-12-03T20:54:03-0600

Guojing said:
If Jesus meant that way, his reply to their question in Acts 1:6 would have been

"Why do you ask such a stupid question about the kingdom being restored to Israel, when I already told you it will be given to "people outside the OT religion without the need for physical circumcision, animal sacrifice, levites, stoning to death, temple etc"

Do you understand my point?

Look at my post on restoring the kingdom to Israel it was spiritual, and happened on Pentecost. After Jesus raised from the dead he said preach the gospel to the whole world which they did eventually in Acts when a non Israelite gets the holy spirit then the Judean Christians accept the gospel is for everyone.

Douggg · 2025-12-03T20:50:05-0600

samaus123456789 said:
ezekiel 38, 39 written in the 500s bc happened in esther around 480 bc.

No, Ezekiel 38-39 has not happened yet. The proof is in Ezekiel 39:11, there will be a mass grave site in Israel named the valley of Hamongog.

No such site exists in Israel.

Ezekiel 38:8, Ezekiel 38:16, Gog/Magog to happen in the latter days, latter years.

concretecamper · 2025-12-03T20:49:02-0600

Hentenza said:
I believe that only scriptures are infallible

Something Scripture doesn't teach :doh:

Like I said, Object truth, Scripture doesn't teach that only Scripture is infallible.

Gene2memE · 2025-12-03T20:47:22-0600

Landon Caeli said:
Chemical signaling between different plants is an unprovable statement, just like morphic resonance.

Information Integration and Communication in Plant Growth Regulation - PMC

Plants are equipped with the capacity to respond to a large number of diverse signals, both internal ones and those emanating from the environment, that are critical to their survival and adaption as sessile organisms. These signals need to be ...

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