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Bro.T · 2025-12-08T17:15:26-0600

Hentenza said:
In other words you cannot find a post crucifixion verse that teaches that the 4th commandment is required of the Christian or a verse that shows that the sabbath was kept before Moses.

Your misuse and weaponization of Jesus words to accuse me of not being a believer shows the extent to where you will go when presented with an argument that you can’t defend so instead of concluding that you are indeed wrong you resort to ad hom attacks. How typical. You have lost all credibility.

Ample evidence from history shows that the celebration of Sunday originated from pagan practices of SUN WORSHIP. In March of 321 A.D., the Roman Emperor Constantine, who was at first a sun-worshiper and later a Christian convert, issued the first decree declaring Sunday to be a legal day of rest. In 336 A.D., the Roman Catholic Church officially changed the observance of Sabbath to Sunday for political and economic expediency. Since then, the original Sabbath gradually gave way to Sunday observance and the practice remains to this day.

The Catholic authorities proclaim: "The Bible says, 'Remember that thou keep holy the Sabbath day.' The Catholic Church says, No! By my divine power I abolish the Sabbath day, and command you to keep the first day of the week. And lo, the entire civilized world bows down in reverent obedience to the command of the holy Catholic Church!" Father Enright, C.S.S.R. of the Redemptoral College, Kansas City, Mo., as taken from History of the Sabbath. pg. 802

The Biblical Sabbath, however, is and has always been on the seventh day of the week, or Saturday. Despite the prevalence of Sunday worship in Christendom, we must look to the Bible as our authority and keep the seventh day Sabbath ordained by God.

So now you will prove to me out of the Bible that keeping the 1st day of the week Sunday, is now a Commandment!!

GoldenBoy89 · 2025-12-08T17:14:04-0600

ThatRobGuy said:
What should be the procedural cut-off for when an executive branch makes an administrative change to rules and prerequisites?

Is it when certain paperwork is filed?, when someone is X% of the way through the process?

So as an example:

If "Joe Smith" decided he wanted to go through process and red tape to be able to legally acquire a NFA-title 2 restricted class of firearm. He paid the tax, administrative fees, does multiple background checks, pays to get the fingerprinting and all of the paperwork done... Now he's just waiting on January 3rd to roll around which was the ETA the ATF gave to make everything official and legally do the transfer.

His state passes a new rule stating "Starting January 1st, there will be no new private sales or transfers of this type of firearm in this state"

Joe's already completely the procedural stuff, and is 95% of the way through the waiting period. Would that be fair to Joe and should they just let he run with it anyway since he was so close? Or is it more of a "rules are rules" and unfortunate implementation timing?

The reality is:
In fiscal year 2024, USCIS naturalized ~ 818,500 people
That translates to roughly 2,240 naturalizations per day

So given that, there's never going to be a good "implementation start date" that isn't going to come across as "mean" because no matter which day you pick, it's always going to impact some people who were right at the finish line of the process.

It's sort of like the people who were 2-3 days away from turning 18 when the new laws officially went into effect to raise the legal age to 21. Their buddies who turned 18 last week are able to enjoy the privilege and are grandfathered in. They're the victim of unfortunate timing.

probinson · 2025-12-08T17:12:11-0600

Belk said:
Or, conversely, I can reply and tell you I have no interest in discussing it with you.

I guess if you really want people to know that you're not interested in talking with me. To each their own, I suppose.

Perhaps someone else will come along to explain how data that riddled with errors can be used to "track trends".

jonojim1337 · 2025-12-08T17:11:27-0600

martinlb said:
I can't imagine

I can't imaging where you see that. Or how you think telling me to come back when I can walk on water is at all helpful or appropriate.

I don’t know what to make of your sigh as I pointed out the great commission was given to and fulfilled by Jesus’ Apostles. You can witness about Christ in whatever language you like but it will be very hard to change church tradition.

GoldenBoy89 · 2025-12-08T17:10:50-0600

essentialsaltes said:
“Domestic Terrorism”: Leaked DOJ Memo Targets “Anti-Americanism, Anti-Capitalism, Anti-Christianity”
A leaked memo by U.S. Attorney General Pam Bondi directs the Justice Department and FBI to compile a list of groups that may be labeled “domestic terrorism” organizations based on political views related to immigration, gender and U.S. policy. The memo was obtained by independent investigative journalist Ken Klippenstein, who joins us to discuss how it expands on President Donald Trump’s NSPM-7 directive following the assassination of Charlie Kirk, which ordered a national strategy to investigate and disrupt groups the administration claims could incite political violence.

The investigative journalist Ken Klippenstein published a copy of Bondi’s memo on his Substack page on Saturday. Klippenstein notes Bondi’s language echoes a National Security Presidential Memorandum issued by President Trump, known as NSPM-7, to target nonprofits and activists. Trump signed the directive in September in the wake of the murder of right-wing activist Charlie Kirk.

AMY GOODMAN: So, the memo targets organizations, not only, what, formal NGOs, but also book clubs, community mutual networks, mutual aid networks, online forums?

KEN KLIPPENSTEIN: Yeah, that’s exactly right. And it uses the phrase “organizations and entities,” which can mean individuals. So, again, it can’t be overstated how sweeping a directive like this is. This isn’t targeted. And to the extent that it’s being reported as directed at antifa, I think it’s important to remember, you know, antifa may not exist as such, but it includes a lot more than that.

Just great to know so many of our friends here on the right are in favor of using military force to kill accused terrorists without trial or proof of their crimes.

Bro.T · 2025-12-08T17:09:27-0600

Hentenza said:
How preachy.

You do understand that this verse is directed at the Jewish people, right? You do understand that removing historical and cultural context causes error, right?

Once again, can you post a post resurrection verse that requires the Christian to keep the 4th commandment or a verse that shows that the sabbath was kept before Moses?

Paul say in (1 Tim.4: 1) Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils; The first day of the week, as the Sabbath day, is the doctrine of the devil. Satan is always trying to mimic God. So if it is not of God then it is of Satan. So if the seventh day Sabbath (Saturday) is a sign between God and His people. Then the first day (Sunday) is a sign between somebody and his people. You can’t have it both ways you are either in or out. Paul says in 2 Corinthians 11: 4 For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him.

Also Paul say in (1 Cor.10:20-22) (v.20) “and I would not that ye should have fellowship with devils”. (v.21) Ye cannot drink the cup of the Lord, and the cup of devils: ye cannot be partakers of the Lord's table, and of the table of devils. (v.22) Do we provoke the Lord to jealousy? are we stronger than he?

Ample evidence from history shows that the celebration of Sunday originated from pagan practices of SUN WORSHIP. In March of 321 A.D., the Roman Emperor Constantine, who was at first a sun-worshiper and later a Christian convert, issued the first decree declaring Sunday to be a legal day of rest. In 336 A.D., the Roman Catholic Church officially changed the observance of Sabbath to Sunday for political and economic expediency. Since then, the original Sabbath gradually gave way to Sunday observance and the practice remains to this day.

I'm not trying to convince you to keep the Sabbath day on the Seventh day of the week as the word of God says, from Genesis to Revelation, that ship is sail.

peace in Jesus name

Jan001 · 2025-12-08T17:08:52-0600

Lost4words said:
Everyone has their own individual view/interpretation of End Times! God must be shaking His head!!

God hasn't made his view clear and decisive.
The point is that we must be ready to come face to face with God at all times.

Jan001 · 2025-12-08T17:06:07-0600

CLEEB said:
Matthew 24:29-31 immediately after the tribulation Christ returns. The two witnesses were killed by the beast, Moses and Elijah were not killed, they died many years before the transfiguration which was only a vision as Jesus said, Matthew 17:9 I see you are a Catholic Preterist. Are you full or partial ?

Neither one.

I think there are two fulfillments. The main one was in the first century AD. I think there will be another one, a partial one, at the end of time.

Apostate Israel (the unbelieving Jewish hierarchy—chief priests, scribes, elders, Pharisees, and Sadducees) disregarded their two witnesses—the law and the prophets, which testified to their Messiah's coming to earth—and so they crucified Jesus Christ, their own Messiah. They manipulated the Roman government (beast) to crucify him. Revelation 17:16

Moses physically died. Deuteronomy 34:5-6
Moses represents the Law of the Old Covenant.

Elijah represents the prophets of the Old Covenant. Mark 9:4

John the Baptist was the last prophet of the Old Covenant and the intermediate Elijah, and he was beheaded. Luke 16:16, Matthew 17:11-13

Elijah has not physically died. Neither has Enoch. 2 Kings 2:11, Hebrews 11:5

I think Elijah and Enoch will physically return to earth and witness to the remaining unbelieving Jews shortly before Jesus' second coming. I think the final beast will murder them. This beast will then be destroyed at Jesus' second coming.

prodromos · 2025-12-08T17:01:49-0600

So @jonojim1337 when are you going to explain the SYD-SCL vs SYD-LAX flights on flat earth?

This is how it looks on the globe.

and just so you can see that the routes are the shortest, I'll rotate the globe so the flight bisects it.

So flight times match the globe perfectly. Now you show me how the flights can work on a flat earth.

timothyu · 2025-12-08T17:01:02-0600

Mercy Shown said:
That way, your father who is in heaven will see what you’ve done and you’ll get your reward from him and not from the accolades of others.

He might appreciate it more if we didn't have motive that rewarded us (even from Him.)

Follow up in CF - The Failure of Worldly Munificence

martinlb · 2025-12-08T17:00:21-0600

I can't imagine

jonojim1337 said:
To me, it appears you want to create your own authority/priestly class, using old English or not using old English. This is wholly unscriptural.

I can't imaging where you see that. Or how you think telling me to come back when I can walk on water is at all helpful or appropriate.

CoreyD · 2025-12-08T16:58:11-0600

jonojim1337 said:
Ok but this doesn’t negate the fact that God has ordained both royalty and clergy. This is clearly stated in the Bible and I shouldn’t need to back it up.

I don't see how royalty and clergy relate to the topic, but I would like to know what royalty and clergy you are referring to, because there are many, and I don't know what Bible or scripture you mean, because there are many of those as well.

martinlb · 2025-12-08T16:58:08-0600

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seeking.IAM said:
I don't want to negate your experience, but I think that are much bigger things driving people away from Christianity than language.

As for me, in an age when we seem to be sinking into the abyss of informality and casualness in most things, I take some pleasure when people try to do better.

I agree about there being more than language. But it's the trappings of putting on a deliberate "difference" I'm trying to discuss. Jesus spoke to people authentically and was about as casual as you can get. I can't imagine that being informal needs to get better. Anything else is a deliberate choice on our part that only changes the outside.

The thing I'm most disappointed in is the apparent lack of curiosity, of interest in hearing something different being suggested.

Christians can go ahead and be seperate from the world by speaking in alternate English and by working at being different, or even by just accepting a culture full of pride and false modeling of holiness. The example of behaving differently in "God's house" - because a building is somehow thought to be set apart by how we use it - is one example that seriously approaches idolatry if not only being scripturally unfounded.

Those things either drive people away - people can often sense when somebody isn't being sincere. Or another result, that I've seen over and over, is people who want to belong are lead to believe in an unobtainable model of perfection. People in that sort of environment are far too often afraid to be real, to admit to struggles and to faults, for fear of rejection.

We cannot create an environment for holiness. What we can do is ask God to help us be holy and then get out of his way.

Just a quick aside, about informality in church services. Music that's shallow and trite and set up like it's a concert powerfully turns me off and away. A lot of people love that, though, so without thinking too deeply it can appear to be very successful. So if, in case my advocation for not trying to be formal looked like I'd be for that, I'm absolutely not.

And by the way, you can see here how there are some who identify as being Christian but whose behavior betrays them. We can only fake it for so long. It's tragic that there will be those who've convinced themselves only to hear "I never knew you". Really sad.

BPPLEE · 2025-12-08T16:55:23-0600

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DaisyDay said:
The defense claims it was also before the attack. Although it shouldn't matter, the victim was about as unsavory as the stabber (previously convicted of child rape, but the jury would not have heard about this during the trial). According to the article, the victim continued to use the slur while telling the police his side of the story. Juries do judge the victim.

I would say that the jury didn't care because it was a couple of homeless guys but I don't think that's the case considering where it happened

WordSword · 2025-12-08T16:54:39-0600

SabbathBlessings said:
Hi WS!

I am glad we can agree on some things that's always a good start.

Lets actually look at these verses a little closer. I think this is a very important teaching of Jesus.

Mat 5:17 “Do not think that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I did not come to destroy but to fulfill.

What was prophesied on the law that Jesus is fulfilling?

Jesus came to fulfill the Law and the Prophets, that is, all the Prophecies that concerned Him and the Law.

"Jesus came to fulfill the Law and the Prophets, which refers to the entire Old Testament. This means he completed the purpose of the law by embodying its true meaning and achieving what it pointed towards, particularly in terms of salvation and reconciliation with God." -

cbtseminary.org

Jesus came to fulfill the Law and the Prophets, meaning His purpose was to bring the Old Testament scriptures to completion through His life, teachings, and sacrificial death. This fulfillment involves perfectly obeying the law, embodying the prophetic messages, and providing a way for believers to be saved from their sins through His sacrifice. - Google AI

Belk · 2025-12-08T16:54:30-0600

probinson said:
So, no logical explanation as to how someone can "track trends" in data that is riddled with lies and misinformation? I didn't think so, but just wanted to confirm.

By the way, if you don't want to discuss something, you can just not reply.

Or, conversely, I can reply and tell you I have no interest in discussing it with you.

essentialsaltes · 2025-12-08T16:51:11-0600

“Domestic Terrorism”: Leaked DOJ Memo Targets “Anti-Americanism, Anti-Capitalism, Anti-Christianity”

A leaked memo by U.S. Attorney General Pam Bondi directs the Justice Department and FBI to compile a list of groups that may be labeled “domestic terrorism” organizations based on political views related to immigration, gender and U.S. policy. The memo was obtained by independent investigative journalist Ken Klippenstein, who joins us to discuss how it expands on President Donald Trump’s NSPM-7 directive following the assassination of Charlie Kirk, which ordered a national strategy to investigate and disrupt groups the administration claims could incite political violence.

The investigative journalist Ken Klippenstein published a copy of Bondi’s memo on his Substack page on Saturday. Klippenstein notes Bondi’s language echoes a National Security Presidential Memorandum issued by President Trump, known as NSPM-7, to target nonprofits and activists. Trump signed the directive in September in the wake of the murder of right-wing activist Charlie Kirk.

AMY GOODMAN: So, the memo targets organizations, not only, what, formal NGOs, but also book clubs, community mutual networks, mutual aid networks, online forums?

KEN KLIPPENSTEIN: Yeah, that’s exactly right. And it uses the phrase “organizations and entities,” which can mean individuals. So, again, it can’t be overstated how sweeping a directive like this is. This isn’t targeted. And to the extent that it’s being reported as directed at antifa, I think it’s important to remember, you know, antifa may not exist as such, but it includes a lot more than that.

prodromos · 2025-12-08T16:50:29-0600

Here is the great circle route for Taiwan to Los Angeles. Emergency landings in Alaska makes perfect sense.

I can do this for all the flights listed in that book. All of them match the globe.

probinson · 2025-12-08T16:47:28-0600

Belk said:
Cool story, go tell it to someone who wants to discuss it with you.

So, no logical explanation as to how someone can "track trends" in data that is riddled with lies and misinformation? I didn't think so, but just wanted to confirm.

By the way, if you don't want to discuss something, you can just not reply. :idea:

Belk · 2025-12-08T16:42:57-0600

probinson said:
No one has explained anything. Recapping, people have said that the data in VAERS is not "proof of anything", is "riddled with lies and misinfo", and is "worse than nothing".

The explanation that I got was that this data is useful for "tracking trends", which is utter nonsense if you believe the data is that bad to start with.

If I hand you a data source and I tell you that it's riddled with bad data and is worse than nothing, and oh by the way, I'd like you to identify what trends you see in the data, you'd rightfully look at me like I was crazy. You can't identity "trends" or ANYTHING ELSE for that matter if you truly believe your data is that dirty.

Cool story, go tell it to someone who wants to discuss it with you.

Reluctant Theologian · 2025-12-08T16:38:39-0600

Coriovallum said:
Hi everyone,
I Studied Judaism at a religious seminary in Jerusalem, Israel between 2007-2012.
And became a Non-Denominational / Baptist Christian in June 2023.

Looking forward to become member of this online community.

What a unique combination - certainly for the Limburg area

What did you take from those studies into Baptist circles? It would bring more flavour in your understanding of the Bible I presume. Welcome .. !

essentialsaltes · 2025-12-08T16:38:00-0600

Alina Habba resigns as New Jersey US attorney after appeals court defeat

She announced her resignation as U.S. attorney in a social media post on Monday. She will remain serving as "Senior Adviser to the Attorney General for U.S. Attorneys."

The resignation comes after a protracted legal fight about whether she could serve in the U.S. attorney role without Senate confirmation.

“Following the flawed Third Circuit decision disqualifying Alina Habba from performing her duties in the U.S. Attorney's office for the District of New Jersey, I am saddened to accept Alina's resignation," Attorney General Pam Bondi said in a statement. "The Department of Justice will seek further review of this decision, and we are confident it will be reversed."

The Trump administration has faced growing headwinds over its efforts to install Trump loyalists as top prosecutors in U.S. attorneys' offices across the country, suffering a string of court defeats as judges raise concerns they're actively disregarding the law.

probinson · 2025-12-08T16:37:42-0600

Belk said:
Why on earth would anyone bother to explain it to you yet again?

No one has explained anything. Recapping, people have said that the data in VAERS is not "proof of anything", is "riddled with lies and misinfo", and is "worse than nothing".

The explanation that I got was that this data is useful for "tracking trends", which is utter nonsense if you believe the data is that bad to start with.

If I hand you a data source and I tell you that it's riddled with bad data and is worse than nothing, and oh by the way, I'd like you to identify what trends you see in the data, you'd rightfully look at me like I was crazy. You can't identity "trends" or ANYTHING ELSE for that matter if you truly believe your data is that dirty.

Dreyma · 2025-12-08T16:35:51-0600

Tom D said:
I studied The Crucible when I was in high school.

It's a great play. Though, I forgot that Arthur Miller was such a diehard atheist. Some of his commentary is highly critical of religion.

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