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SuperCow · 2025-12-12T06:49:59-0600

Mark Quayle said:
But we're not talking about electric current here, are we? God created. There was and is nothing that is not a result of that.

The principle is the same and you're side-skirting the issue so you don't have to answer. You can't just say that because God is involved then no logic applies.

Mark Quayle said:
No. Only by your parameters.

By anyone's parameters if they make an honest analysis of the situation.

Mark Quayle said:
I looked. I see nowhere I proclaimed as true that man is the prime mover in his deeds.

False as the day is long. You continue in your notion of man as prime mover in his deeds.
- False that man is the prime mover in his deed. So I am not able to make my own choice.

You indeed do WILL to do what you do, and that, by what you deem more advantageous or desirous.
- You will do what you do...by what you deem more more advantageous or desirous. Now I am the prime mover after all, therefore now my initial statement is true and somehow I can make my own choice..

You choose according to your inclinations.
- Again I am making a choice according to my inclinations. Further solidifying that my initial position is true.

So the second two sentences contradict the first.

Mark Quayle said:
No. If he caused it, and that is reality, then whatever is real within that reality is caused by God. To characterize something within that reality as uncaused is therefore logically self-contradictory.

I am not disputing cause. I am disputing the logical incoherence that causing something that you know the result of can result in any effect that is not pre-determined, and if it is pre-determined then it is logically incoherent to suggest that anyone besides the causer has any choice.

Mark Quayle said:
No, I do not claim that God does not (nor that he does) have that ability. I claim it is logical nonsense, a figment of the imagination, words playing in the mind of presumptuous humans.

I did not intend "the source of choice" there. I intended the source of the ability to choose Christ, and the source of salvific Faith.

Oh, but you are making a claim. You just don't realize it.

Which is it? A or B?

A. I have a choice whether to follow God.
B. God already knows whether I will choose to follow him or not.

If God knows that I will follow him, then there is no reality where I will not follow him. Conversely if he knows I will not follow him, then there is no reality where I do follow him. You cannot say both, because to quote from you, it is logical nonsense.

Apple Sky · 2025-12-12T06:49:53-0600

David Lamb said:
What clan?

33 degree Freemasons, certain bloodlines, secret society members etc etc etc ............
You be suprised who is related to who through their blood.

johnnypapa · 2025-12-12T06:49:13-0600

Envy, according to the classical definition, is sadness at another’s good fortune. Envy, which is the second of the Deadly Sins, robs one of the joy he could share with another person’s gifts. God grants people His gifts to please the recipient, but also to be shared with others. We should rejoice when anyone displays God’s gifts.

How to Eradicate Envy - Catholic Exchange

The life of pianist Leonid Hambro shows that looking up to greatness—not competing with it—destroys envy and restores joy in the gifts God gives each person.

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johnnypapa · 2025-12-12T06:44:53-0600

On December of 1531 a series of Marian apparitions occurred that changed the world as we know it. The Blessed Virgin Mary appeared to a middle-aged man named Juan Diego at the climax of civil unrest in present-day Mexico. Our Blessed Mother’s providential intervention not only thwarted blood shed but in effect brought about the greatest evangelization event in Christian history!

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samaus123456789 · 2025-12-12T06:38:41-0600

David Lamb said:
You have a different understanding of inspired Scripture to me, and I imagine the vast majority of Christians.

Yes I go where the bible leads even if it is outside man made no go zones. Like how Jesus, and Jude believed Enoch was inspired scripture written pre flood.

David Lamb · 2025-12-12T06:34:18-0600

samaus123456789 said:
Yes both are inspired scripture written when they said they were regardless of what labels someone slaps on them.

You have a different understanding of inspired Scripture to me, and I imagine the vast majority of Christians.

David Lamb · 2025-12-12T06:32:08-0600

Apple Sky said:
Just those in the clan.

So are you saying that NASA employs only Scottish people? What clan?

Jeesuspelastaa · 2025-12-12T06:19:11-0600

When we take the concept of the Sabbath from the message of the Letter to the Hebrews, which states that it is a STATE OF REST and not a weekly Sabbath, the matter becomes clear in the light of the new covenant.

Hebrews chapter 4 is a continuation of the teaching in 3:13-19 about the rest promised by God, which the Jews did not attain at that time "because of unbelief":
"For we are made partakers of Christ, if we hold the beginning of our confidence stedfast unto the end;
While it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts, as in the provocation.
For some, when they had heard, did provoke: howbeit not all that came out of Egypt by Moses.
But with whom was he grieved forty years? was it not with them that had sinned, whose carcases fell in the wilderness?
And to whom sware he that THEY SHOULD NOT ENTER INTO HIS REST, but to them that believed not?
So we see that they could not enter in because of unbelief." Hebr. 3:14-19

So we see that because of their unbelief, they—the disobedient—were unable to enter that rest. Hebrews 3:13-19.

But the promise of entering into rest is still valid for those who come to faith. 4:1-3. Coming to faith includes the fulfillment of the weekly Sabbath. The promise of rest is then valid (Heb. 4:9 apoleipetai). It is a matter of the fulfillment of the weekly Sabbath:

"Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days" Col. 2:16

BrotherJJ · 2025-12-12T06:14:53-0600

Rev 7:
4 And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel.
(PARSING: 144k sealed from ALL the TRIBES of the Children of Jacob/ISRAEL.)

5 Of the tribe of Juda, Reuben & Gad .

6 Of the tribe of Aser, Nepthalim & Manassas

7 Of the tribe of Simeon, Levi & Issachar

8 Of the tribe of Zabulon, Joseph & Benjamin
(PARSING: Verses 5-8 confirm 12k ea x 12 tribes = 144,000)

Gen 32:28 God changed Jacob's name to Israel. The 12 tribes of Israel are Jacob's sons. Each son received a land portion (except Levi/Levites they become the priesthood) Joseph receives a double portion of land (Gen 48) And divides it between his 2 sons Ephraim & Manasseh.

Rev 14:
1 And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Zion, and with him a 144k, having his Father's name written in their foreheads.

3 And they sung as it were a new song before the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and no man could learn that song but the hundred and forty and four thousand, which were redeemed from the earth.
(PARSING: These 144k were redeemed from the earth)

4 These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb.
(PARSING: "Redeemed From Among Men" being the FIRSTFRUITS unto God & to the Lamb)

Parsing vs 4
(A) 144k ALL VIRGINS)
(B) These 144k were REDEEMED from AMONG MEN)
(C) Being FIRSTFRUITS onto God & to the Lamb.

1 Cor 15:20 But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept.
(PARSING: Christ is 1st to rise/resurrected from the grave)

Matt 27:
50 Jesus, when he had cried again with a loud voice, yielded up the ghost.
(PARSING: Jesus dies)

51 And, behold, the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom; and the earth did quake, and the rocks rent;
(PARSING: Jesus rips the Temple veil in 1/2 on the way to paradise)

52 And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose,
(PARSING: Many saints are resurrected)

53 And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many.
(PARSING: After Jesus rises 1st, many saints rise, REREADING Rev 14:1-4, 144k > FIRSTFRUITS, "Redeemed From Among Men")

samaus123456789 · 2025-12-12T06:12:56-0600

David Lamb said:
Tobit is in the Apocrypha. 1 Enoch, as far as I am aware, isn't even included in bibles like Roman Catholic ones which include the Apocrypha.

Yes both are inspired scripture written when they said they were regardless of what labels someone slaps on them.

samaus123456789 · 2025-12-12T06:10:47-0600

Introduction to Jesus genealogies Tracing the sceptre—reconciling opposing views on the genealogies of Jesus · Creation.com

From the conflict of Adam, and Eve with Satan which was written after 70 AD (it says the temple has been destroyed) but before 900 AD as another text at that time references it. It has genealogies in book 4. I copy pasted them into chat GPT, and it organized them. This is just the end part.
Mattan
└── married Sabartyal (daughter of Phulius)
└── twins:
├── Jacob
└── Joachim
DESCENT FROM THE TWINS
Line of Jacob (Legal line)
Jacob
└── married Gadat (daughter of Eleazar)
└── Joseph, the betrothed of Mary
Line of Joachim (Biological line)
Joachim (brother of Jacob)
└── married Hannah (daughter of Makah)
└── the pure Virgin Mary
└── Christ
KEY THEOLOGICAL POINT (IMPLICIT IN THE TEXT)
Joseph descends from Jacob
Mary descends from Joachim
Jacob and Joachim are twins, meaning:
Jesus is legally Davidic through Joseph
Jesus is biologically Davidic through Mary
Heli must be another name for Joachim.
it has more genealogies going back to Judah that are the same is in Mathew.
Also Cave of Treasures (unsure of date) has the same genealogies

III. EXPLANATION GIVEN BY THE TEXT (THEOLOGICAL NOTE)
“And because Joseph was the son of Mary’s uncle, by the foreknowledge of God, Who knew that Mary would be certainly attacked by the Jews, Mary was given to Joseph… that he might take care of her.”
This states:

- The marriage was protective, not merely genealogical
- Joseph’s role is guardian and legal husband
- The arrangement is attributed to divine foreknowledge

IV. DAVIDIC SUCCESSION CONFIRMED

“Observe… that the fathers of the blessed woman Mary belonged to the succession of the generations of David.”
This explicitly affirms:

- Mary is Davidic by blood
- Her lineage belongs to the royal succession
- Jesus is therefore:
- - Biologically Davidic through Mary
  - Legally Davidic through Joseph

Conflict of Adam, and Eve with satan also says

The former scribes, however, could not find a good lineage
for the Virgin and her father, or kindred; wherefore did the
Jews crucify Christ, and taunt Him, and mock Him, and say to
Him, " Show us the fathers of Mary the Virgin and her people,
and what
is her genealogy.'*
Therefore did they blaspheme
her and Christ.
But henceforth shall the mouth of those unbelieving Jews be
closed ; and they shall know that Mary is of the seed of David
the king, and of that of the patriarch Abraham.
Moreover,
the unbelieving Jews had no
registers to guide
them aright, neither did they know, how the
lines
of kindred
ran at first, inasmuch as the law and the prophets were three
times burnt [out] from them.

Passover was the 14th of Abib/Nisan, and Jesus was killed on passover as the passover lamb so the 14 name structure could be to do with that as there is no biblical precedent for interpreting "gematria" from before 70 AD (inspired scripture stopped 70 AD). Or both.

Dan1988 · 2025-12-12T06:04:52-0600

BelieveItOarKnot said:
A couple basic points.

Most denominations do not say hell/LoF is Annihilation. They have similar position to yours.

Secondly there assuredly is salvation after death. All of us receive eternal life *in full* after our physical death. So there's that.

Additionally Paul very clearly stated enemies of the Gospel are saved simply by being Israel, not having to do anything other than being Israelites. Romans 11:26-32

I should have made my point clearer, I should have said. Most Christian Denominations don't accept the bible doctrine of hell. Most have invented their own unbvi9blical version of hell. I believe this is, because the truth about hell is just to hard to accept.

Apple Sky · 2025-12-12T06:04:18-0600

Strong in Him said:
The idea that all 17,000+ NASA employees - including the Christians - are in competition with God is too ridiculous to consider even for a second.

Just those in the clan.

CLEEB · 2025-12-12T06:00:04-0600

Hentenza said:
My decision to engage the legalists is for the benefit of the Christians that only read our website. If we disengage then the only side they will read will be the side of the legalists. The discussions balances the views and exposes the perils of legalism.

I praise the Lord for getting you out of the clutches of legalism. Bless you.

Jesus saves us from the Ten Commandments. Should we if saved go back to the very thing we needed saved from. Isn’t sin the transgression of the law, the Ten Commandments ? Isn’t the wages of breaking the Ten Commandments death ? Doesn’t the letter written on stone kill ? Isn’t the Ten Commandments the ministry of death ? Keeping the Ten Commandments cannot provide salvation. I can prove to a Christian that all people are under the Ten Commandments until they come to Christ. Law keepers cling to the very thing that kills them while claiming to be in Christ who saves them from what they cling to. Law keepers are like the dog returning to its own vomit or the sow that was washed to her wallowing in the mire. Law keepers ignorantly spit in the face of Christ. Scripture says we are bought with a price, we are a purchased possession, what were we bought from, purchased from, it is the old covenant, the Ten Commandments. The only way out from under the death sentence of the Ten Commandments is if a price was paid so that we can PASSOVER into a new covenant. The price was the life of the son of GOD. Law keepers don’t understand and sadly there are others that have only partial knowledge . For ALL, Jews and Gentiles, have sinned, the whole world is guilty before GOD. THE TEN COMMANDMENTS, the ministry of death, kills everyone under them but the church is not under the Ten Commandments, the church is under the two Commandments Jesus Christ gave. This is the truth.
JESUS CHRIST SAVES US FROM THE TEN COMMANDMENTS.

Maria Billingsley · 2025-12-12T05:56:50-0600

rjs330 said:
For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hinder the truth in unrighteousness; because that which is known of God is manifest in them; for God manifested it unto them. For the invisible things of him since the creation of the world are clearly seen, being perceived through the things that are made, even his everlasting power and divinity; that they may be without excuse: because that, knowing God, they glorified him not as God, neither gave thanks; but became vain in their reasonings, and their senseless heart was darkened. Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools, and changed the glory of the incorruptible God for the likeness of an image of corruptible man, and of birds, and four-footed beasts, and creeping things. Wherefore God gave them up in the lusts of their hearts unto uncleanness, that their bodies should be dishonored among themselves: for that they exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshipped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen. For this cause God gave them up unto vile passions: for their women changed the natural use into that which is against nature: and likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another, men with men working unseemliness, and receiving in themselves that recompense of their error which was due. And even as they refused to have God in their knowledge, God gave them up unto a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not fitting; being filled with all unrighteousness, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, malignity; whisperers, backbiters, hateful to God, insolent, haughty, boastful, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, without understanding, covenant-breakers, without natural affection, unmerciful: who, knowing the ordinance of God, that they that practise such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but also consent with them that practise them.

Bible Gateway passage: Romans 1:18, Romans 1:19, Romans 1:20, Romans 1:21, Romans 1:22, Romans 1:23, Romans 1:24, Romans 1:25, Romans 1:26, Romans 1:27, Romans 1:28, Romans 1:29, Romans 1:30, Romans 1:31, Romans 1:32 - American Standard Version

For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hinder the truth in unrighteousness;

www.biblegateway.com

But I say, Walk by the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh. For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh; for these are contrary the one to the other; that ye may not do the things that ye would. But if ye are led by the Spirit, ye are not under the law. Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these: fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, idolatry, sorcery, enmities, strife, jealousies, wraths, factions, divisions, parties, envyings, drunkenness, revellings, and such like; of which I forewarn you, even as I did forewarn you, that they who practise such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.
Bible Gateway passage: Galatians 5:16, Galatians 5:17, Galatians 5:18, Galatians 5:19, Galatians 5:20, Galatians 5:21 - American Standard Version

But fornication, and all uncleanness, or covetousness, let it not even be named among you, as becometh saints; nor filthiness, nor foolish talking, or jesting, which are not befitting: but rather giving of thanks. For this ye know of a surety, that no fornicator, nor unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, hath any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and God. Let no man deceive you with empty words: for because of these things cometh the wrath of God upon the sons of disobedience. Be not ye therefore partakers with them; for ye were once darkness, but are now light in the Lord: walk as children of light (for the fruit of the light is in all goodness and righteousness and truth), proving what is well-pleasing unto the Lord; and have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather even reprove them; for the things which are done by them in secret it is a shame even to speak of. But all things when they are reproved are made manifest by the light: for everything that is made manifest is light. Wherefore he saith, Awake, thou that sleepest, and arise from the dead, and Christ shall shine upon thee. Look therefore carefully how ye walk, not as unwise, but as wise; redeeming the time, because the days are evil. Wherefore be ye not foolish, but understand what the will of the Lord is. And be not drunken with wine, wherein is riot, but be filled with the Spirit; speaking one to another in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing and making melody with your heart to the Lord; giving thanks always for all things in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ to God, even the Father;

Bible Gateway passage: Ephesians 5:3, Ephesians 5:4, Ephesians 5:5, Ephesians 5:6, Ephesians 5:7, Ephesians 5:8, Ephesians 5:9, Ephesians 5:10, Ephesians 5:11, Ephesians 5:12, Ephesians 5:13, Ephesians 5:14, Ephesians 5:15, Ephesians 5:16, Ephesians

But fornication, and all uncleanness, or covetousness, let it not even be named among you, as becometh saints;

www.biblegateway.com

So if Christian imperatives need to be the laws of the land, then these imperatives need to be as well. If we are going to desire that our state follow the scriptures, the we should desire they use all of them in their governance. I really don't find anything in scripture that says we only have follow the things we want to. The rest is optional. No, thats not there.

This is about the plight of poor, sick and disenfranchised immigrants seeking help in the U.S. Twisting scripture to undermine the number one mandate given to us by Jesus Christ of Nazareth is well...frankly...heart breaking.
Your argument represents a particular interpretation of the relationship between religious obligation and civil law, but it is one that runs contrary to a significant and widely accepted theological understanding of Christian imperatives, especially regarding compassion and social justice.
The idea that helping immigrants, even the undocumented, is not a Christian imperative because the "law of the land somehow overrides that concept of helping faces a contradiction from the core teachings of our Lord. He commanded us to care for the vulnerable , full stop!
You shared a long list of scripural references trying to justify fallacious reasoning. While Christian theology generally mandates obedience to governing authorities, this obedience is typically understood to be limited when a human law directly compels an action that violates an explicit, primary command of God, such as the command to show mercy and help the needy.
Thanks for sharing.

Dan1988 · 2025-12-12T05:55:57-0600

ARBITER01 said:
The Holy Spirit started sending up red flags inside of you about this guy huh?

I've been on this site for a while, and seen a few of these folks come on here for a bit spouting their wrongful personal beliefs, but it doesn't take long for The Holy Spirit to start pointing them out inside.

For instance,...anytime someone makes statements that the reformers (that brought us our bibles that we have in our hands) were just greedy merchants of scripture in the world,.... that's a red flag inside for me, when he is putting down the body of Christ. When someone rejects the scripture sections you offered in discussion, and says that you don't know the Jesus that he does,.... that's another big red flag inside for me also.

Some of these folks that come on here are very deceived, they are not just blinded by satan, their minds are blinded. It's pretty much a waste of time trying to reach them with the truth since they've rejected it, and GOD has further allowed them to believe their lies even more.

I'm certainly not a Calvinist as a Pentecostal, but there are some folks in life we meet at times that are not called.

It's sad to see some professing Christians being offended by some of what the gospel has to say. Nobody has the authority to interpret the gospel, according to their preconceived views and opinions.
The Bible is supposed to read us, meaning we don't get to decide what it's saying. God speaks by His Word, the Holy Bible, and He doesn't need any help to communicate with His people.

prodromos · 2025-12-12T05:45:05-0600

Apple Sky said:
I'm not arguing with something that is so ridiculous.

Unfortunately we are arguing against total nonsense in these flat earth threads.

Strong in Him · 2025-12-12T05:41:50-0600

Apple Sky said:
Don't be silly,

That's how your statement read.
In my reply to another forummer, I said:

Strong in Him said:
I do say that perhaps some people need to learn about Biblical interpretation, different genres of writing etc and realise that the Bible and science are not in competition with one another.

You replied:

Apple Sky said:
Except for NASA & Satan.

So I asked you if you meant that they are in competition with one another.
It wasn't clear what you meant, so I asked the question.

Apple Sky said:
they are both in competition with God.

Now who's being silly?
Lucifer (Satan) once tried to be in competition with God and overcome him. He lost, and was thrown down to earth.
The idea that all 17,000+ NASA employees - including the Christians - are in competition with God is too ridiculous to consider even for a second.
Another random statement with no evidence whatsoever.

Dan1988 · 2025-12-12T05:36:51-0600

Studyman said:
I posted Peter's Words, inspired by the Spirit of the Christ for your review and discussion as to who God gives His Holy Spirit to. You completely rejected his words as unworthy of even your acknowledgement, much less discussion. You accuse me of rejecting God's Word, when it is you who can not bring yourself to even acknowledge much of what HE says.

You are free to do this, but it is hypocritical to reject what Peter says, then accuse me of rejecting what Peter says.

I have your adopted religious opinion, and I have the Inspired Word of God that became flesh. I mean no offence, but I must trust God's Word of your adopted religious opinion.

Heb. 11: 6 But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder "of them" that diligently seek him.

Matt. 6: 33 But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and (Then) all these things shall be added unto you.

2 Chron. 7: 14 If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, "and seek my face", and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.

Duet. 4: 28 And there ye shall serve gods, the work of men's hands, wood and stone, which neither see, nor hear, nor eat, nor smell. 29 But if from thence thou shalt seek the LORD thy God, thou shalt find him, "if thou seek him" with all thy heart and with all thy soul.

Ps. 119: 10 With my whole heart "have I sought thee": O let me not wander from thy commandments. 11 Thy word have I hid in mine heart, that I might not sin against thee.

2 Chron. 17: 3 And the LORD was with Jehoshaphat, "because" he walked in the first ways of his father David, and sought not unto Baalim; 4 But sought to the LORD God of his father, and walked in his commandments, and "not after the doings of Israel".

2 Chron. 26: 4 And he did that which was right in the sight of the LORD, according to all that his father Amaziah did. 5 And he sought God in the days of Zechariah, who had understanding in the visions of God: and as long as he sought the LORD, God made him to prosper.

Ps. 34: 3 O magnify the LORD with me, and let us exalt his name together. 4 "I sought the LORD", and he heard me, and delivered me from all my fears.

1 Chron. 16: 10 Glory ye in his holy name: let the heart of them rejoice that seek the LORD. 11 "Seek the LORD and his strength", seek his face continually. 12 Remember his marvellous works that he hath done, his wonders, and the judgments of his mouth;

2 Chron. 15: 11 And they offered unto the LORD the same time, of the spoil which they had brought, seven hundred oxen and seven thousand sheep. 12 And they entered into a covenant "to seek the LORD God" of their fathers with all their heart and with all their soul;

So while it is true that there are "Many" who profess to know God, who do not SEEK Him as you boast. Paul and David let's us know who these people are. Anytime you want to hear what God actually says concerning this topic, you are free to trust the Holy Scriptures that Paul said were trustworthy "for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works."

The Jesus "of the Bible" told me to "Seek God's Righteousness", why you would accuse those who believe Him of "making God a Liar", is astonishing to me, given what is actually written in His Inspired Word.

Actually, I have no doubt you believe your adopted religious philosophy. But God already told me by there are men who refuse to "Seek God".

Psalms 10: 3 For the wicked boasteth of his heart's desire, and blesseth the covetous, whom the LORD abhorreth.

4 The wicked, through the pride of his countenance, "will not seek after God": God is not in all his thoughts.

5 His ways are always grievous; thy judgments are far above out of his sight: as for all his enemies, he puffeth at them.

6 He hath said in his heart, I shall not be moved: "for I shall never be in adversity".

7 His mouth "is full of cursing and deceit and fraud": under his tongue is mischief and vanity.

"but you make God a li9ar when you claim that you seek after Him everyday".

All these Inspired Words of God written for your admonition, and mine. And yet, will you believe them?

I believe that every word in the bible is Gods Word, from cover to cover. So I don't have a problem with any of it, but I reject your interpretation of all the scriptures you twisted to force them to say something thewy are not saying. This is to abuse Gods Word.

I asked you why you reject what God has said, but you gave no answer. You resorted to making false allegations about my faith, with zero evidence to support your false accusations.

Apple Sky · 2025-12-12T05:32:03-0600

David Lamb said:
You have taken Isaiah 44:13 out of context. It isn't about God creating the earth, but about ungodly people making idols, as is seen when we do see the verse in its context:

Sorry - My mistake.

johnnypapa · 2025-12-12T05:29:04-0600

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Come, let us adore the King, our Lord, who is to come. From the Prophet Isaias 24:1-16 Behold the Lord shall lay waste the earth, and shall strip it, and shall afflict the face thereof, and scatter…

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In the USA the Church celebrates the Feast of Our Lady of Guadalupe, elsewhere it is an Optional Memorial. Our Lady appeared to an Indian convert named Juan Diego on December 9, 1531. She left a marvelous portrait of herself on the mantle of Juan Diego. This miraculous image has proved to be

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December the 12 is the celebration of Our Lady of Guadalupe, elevated on the eve of the Third Millennium by Pope John Paul II from a commemoration to a feast. He also declared her patroness of all of ‘America’, south, central, and north, as well as the primary intercessor for the unborn, who are...

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Our Lady of Guadalupe appeared in 1531 to St. Juan Diego, a humble indigenous man near present-day Mexico City. Speaking to him with tenderness and maternal

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+JMJ+ Greetings, y’all. The Rosary Thread this coming Friday takes place on the Feast day of Our Lady of Guadalupe. I think we’ll use the Joyful Myssteries istead of the Sorrowful ones. I’m dealing…

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Sermons for Everyday Living - Our Lady of Guadalupe 12/12/25

Sermons For Everyday Living: Our Lady of Guadalupe - 12/12/25

December 12th, 2025: Our Lady of Guadalupe - 1531; Guadalupe & A Culture of Chastity; Our Lady of Guadalupe & Revelation 12; The Tomb of St Francis & The Tilma of Guadalupe

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Apple Sky · 2025-12-12T05:27:13-0600

Strong in Him said:
You mean that NASA and Satan ARE in competition with one another??
What a ridiculous statement.

Don't be silly, they are both in competition with God.

Dan1988 · 2025-12-12T05:26:15-0600

2PhiloVoid said:
So God "created" the English language [and all of the languages spoken around the world today] during the Tower of Babel incident? Really?

Well, whatever the case may be, I'm not worried that Hell is either an ongoing fire or an extinguishment from existence. Both are bad and I'm open to either perspective.

Just wondering why you don't believe what God said about the matter. Your opinion has no baring on anything. Everything that God predestined, will come to pass, with or without your approval or disapproval.

johnnypapa · 2025-12-12T05:20:10-0600

12/12/25 Day 9

O St. Lucy, whose name proclaims the radiance of light, we approach you with humble confidence to seek your holy intercession. Obtain for us, through your prayers, that sacred illumination which guides our souls away from the shadows of sin and leads us toward the brightness of virtue.

Obtain for us also these petitions which we offer to you in this novena:

[Mention your petitions now]

We beseech you, St. Lucy, through your powerful advocacy before the throne of the Lamb, the protection of our eye sight, and for the grace to employ our eyes always in service of God’s glory and never for that which offends His divine majesty.

Help us to perceive with clarity the truths of our faith and the needs of our neighbor, that we may walk steadfastly in the light of Christ and labor earnestly for the salvation of souls.

Pray for us, St. Lucy, that having honored you as our advocate in this earthly pilgrimage, we may one day behold with you the eternal splendor of the Lamb of God, Jesus Christ our Lord, in whose divine light all shadows flee away forever. Amen.

David Lamb · 2025-12-12T05:14:41-0600

samaus123456789 said:
I meant to say 1 Enoch + protestant canon texts. Yes Tobit is inspired scripture also like 1 Enoch is inspired scripture. I don't accuse ancient men of God who authored books full of prophecies of Jesus of lying.

Tobit is in the Apocrypha. 1 Enoch, as far as I am aware, isn't even included in bibles like Roman Catholic ones which include the Apocrypha.

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