keras said:

So- just for long dead people, then? That makes about a quarter of our Bibles useless to us now.

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I didn't say that the Bible is only for people who lived years ago. Of course it isn't.
We can read Ezekiel, Isaiah etc, learn a lot from them, be challenged, moved etc by them. That doesn't mean that every word in them was written TO us. That if we read, for example, "Babylon will attack", we can take it as "Syria, (or whoever) are going to declare war on us.

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I can see where you are coming from; for all the people over the last nearly 2000 years, the Prophesies about the end times, were practically useless.

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I think you need to differentiate between the Day of the Lord - often mentioned in the OT, when it was believed Israel would be rewarded and her enemies destroyed - and the return of the Lord Jesus.
The concept of a final battle between good and evil, with God's people being victorious and God, in Jesus, reigning as king, is the same. But that doesn't mean that every OT vision/prophecy is about how that final battle will play out. That doesn't mean that you can take the vision of a flying scroll with writing on both sides and say that the Bible prophesied nuclear weapons, for example.

If Jesus had taught that various prophecies would be fulfilled in end times, then he would have told us.
If he had said "you can work out when all these things will begin - just read Daniel and the last half of Ezekiel", that would be fine.
If he had said to his disciples, "in a few years I will give a vision to John. This vision is to be given so that Christians in the future can take it literally and work out the day of my return/the sequence of end time events" - great.
But he didn't.

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There are many indications that some kind of dramatic change is close.

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There MAY be - but there have been "wars and rumours of wars" for centuries.
The Apostles believed that Jesus would return in their lifetime. They may well have regarded Roman persecution as a sign of end times. People certainly hated and opposed them. Saul wanted to "put them out of the synagogues", John 16:2, Acts 9:2. Christianity was first seen as a Jewish cult. I am quite sure that Saul, as a devout Pharisee, thought he was doing God's will by getting rid of people who believed in this "false Messiah" - but he was fulfilling Jesus' words.
There have been dozens of wars since then, and people could have thought/said the end of the world was coming. There have been hundreds of dates given for Jesus' return - and we're all still here.
It seems that every Christian wants to believe that it will happen in their lifetime.

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It will be just as the Prophets have informed us

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But the prophets have not informed US that the end of our world, in the 21st century, will come when so and so declares war, someone else has nuclear weapons or another person draws up a treaty.
Neither Jesus nor the Apostles taught that it is ok to take parts of God's word out of context to try to make them fit a present day situation - like saying that Zechariah 5 prophesies Iran having nuclear weapons. Zechariah saw several visions = one of them was of a flying scroll that had writing on both sides. How does that describe a nuclear weapon, rather than any other kind? Why have you focused on that vision and not on any of the others, and who gave you the authority to take various prophesies/parts of God's word and apply them to our present day?

keras said:

He said He would Return and He will. But much must happen before that glorious Day

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Jesus said that he would come as a thief in the night.
He told parables about a bridegroom, and a king, who returned later than their servants had expected. He said over and over again that people needed to be ready.
He did not say, "look at OT prophesies and you will be able to work out what happens before I return."
Like I said, if Jesus is not returning for another 15-20 years, there's no hurry - we can tell people they don't need to repent/accept Jesus just yet. We probably have around 14 years to eat, drink and be merry before we need to start seriously living for God and being prepared.

BNR32FAN said:

Lol So Romans 2:4-5 doesn’t say that His kindness and patience is leading them to repentance? Like the exact same wording in 2 Peter 3:9?

“Or do you think lightly of the riches of His kindness and tolerance and patience, not knowing that the kindness of God leads you to repentance?”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭2‬:‭4‬ ‭NASB1995‬‬

“The Lord is not slow about His promise, as some count slowness, but is patient toward you, not wishing for any to perish but for all to come to repentance.”
‭‭2 Peter‬ ‭3‬:‭9‬ ‭NASB1995‬‬

And why is Jesus giving Jezebel time to repent if The Father hasn’t enabled her to repent? That would be like me waiting for my favorite tv show to come on knowing that I didn’t plug in the power cord.

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But none of those verses indicate an almighty, omnipotent God, making attempts to save people which may or may not succeed. Think of God's words in Isaiah:

“9 Remember the former things of old, For I am God, and there is no other; I am God, and there is none like Me, 10 Declaring the end from the beginning, And from ancient times things that are not yet done, Saying, ‘My counsel shall stand, And I will do all My pleasure,’ 11 Calling a bird of prey from the east, The man who executes My counsel, from a far country. Indeed I have spoken it; I will also bring it to pass. I have purposed it; I will also do it.” (Isa 46:9-11 NKJV)

David Lamb said:

However, when I click on the link to view the thread, the message isn't there. Have you deleted it, Apple Sky?

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I may have done, I don't remember

Michie said:

This is the Catholic forum.

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We know!

Pepperdoodle said:

Definitely!!

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The one world religion church is built.
The Abrahamic Family House in Abu Dhabi, United Arab Emirates, is a complex housing a mosque, a church, and a synagogue as a center for interfaith dialogue. The project was inspired by the Document on Human Fraternity, signed by Pope Francis and Grand Imam Ahmed El-Tayeb.



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Tellyontellyon said:

I believe in God.. but I don't know God. I don't know if God corresponds to any particular scriptures. How does one begin to sift through the different ideas to come to the truth.. what is the best way to approach the search?

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I would start with John's gospel. It is written with the intent of revealing the real Jesus. Ask God to reveal Himself to you. God is more interested in us knowing Him than we are in knowing God.

I certainly hope this does not happen. Millions of people will suddenly be without money to buy food and other necessities of life.
I am considering this a test case for how the nation will react to a no-food situation. What will people do?
I have asked this question to Christians for decades. "What would you do to save your family from starvation and death?" I recall the honest response of a lay pastor, one of my best friends. "I would do whatever it takes."
I believe him...

I have just had this email notification:

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However, when I click on the link to view the thread, the message isn't there. Have you deleted it, Apple Sky?

PrincetonGuy said:

The theory of evolution is NOT dependent upon the Bible or any other religious text. Moreover, as was shown above, Genesis 1-11 is NOT written in the historical narrative genre of literature, but in a genre of literature used in epic tales, sagas, myths, and legends.

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Either God's word is true or He is a liar. The fable of evolution is the construct of men who had no knowledge of how a cell was constructed. And I mean, constructed. DNA is programmed like a computer. Bill Gates said that DNA is a vastly more complex program than anything people have devised. Programing requires intelligence, not random, undirected processes. Evolutionists can't agree on the mechanism because nothing they propose actually works. They remind me of alchemists, desperately trying to turn lead into gold. At least they realised that it was a dead end and gave up. Evolutionists? No such sense.

Sure, Genesis is epic. Some epic stories are entirely factual. Genesis and the rest of the Bible is an example.

Yarddog said:

Is Donald Trump a fascist? Here’s what an expert thinks

Kamala Harris has called Donald Trump a fascist, but does this stand up?

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Even that article doesn't prove hes s fascist. There are words like can, or words like I believe. But nothing listed that is actually facistic. I believe one thing mentioned was the Supreme Court, something presidents have been doing for ever. I suppose they were all facists? No real evidence at all.

HantsUK said:

I sometimes wonder who is behind the flat earth conspiracy. Why? Who benefits?

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It's not a conspiracy, wisdom & logic comes to mind. It's not a matter of who benefits it's a matter of who doesn't benefit i.e NASA & Governments, why do you think leaders are mocking FE'rs.

John Kerry went to Antarctica a few years ago, supposedly to speak with scientists there about climate change, but I reckon us Flat Earther's all know why he really went there.

And Dick Cheney insists the earth is flat.

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com7fy8 said:

Well . . . how did the sin move from Adam to other humans? I consider "the spirit who now works in the sons of disobedience" spread.

I would say that because Adam and Eve were God's "very good" creation, they good of their own selves would not have started what is evil. It took work.

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We inherit sin from our parents, in the flesh and blood. From a newer view, it is in our grey matter. Sinful spirits work using that. That is why Catholics believe Mary was conceived without sin passed down from the ancestors, for Jesus.

Before conception we have no sin, it comes from the flesh we grow in.

Michie said:

He was not imitating Jesus. Jesus overturned tables for a completely different reason and this was not Lopez’s first. He was just being intolerant and threw a tantrum. Again. There is a difference between imitating/following the Lord and using Jesus as an excuse for bad behavior.

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That's not the same as mocking. Mocking implies malicious intentions towards Jesus. Unless you are trying to conflate TPUSA and the cause of Christ?

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Nope, at least not yet. He's a fascist and wanta be king.

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Oh? What has he done that is facist?

Bradskii said:

Kids these days, eh?

Oddly enough, we have not promted out two in any direction. Even sent them to Catholic schools. But like father like son. And daughter.

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He’s happy and successful. How much more can you ask for?

Here are Earth's temperatures changes over the last 500 million years.

Here is a table of the major warming/cooling events over this period where the trigger points have been met and its consequences as the Earth has settled into a more stable equilibrium.

Major Temperature Changes and Trigger Points in Earth’s Last 500 Million Years (with AGW Predictions)​

Geological Event / Period	Approx. Time (MYA)	Temperature Change (°C)	Duration (kyr or Myr)	Rate of Change	Trend	Trigger Point & Consequences
Late Ordovician Glaciation	445	−5–10°C	~1 Myr	−5–10°C/Myr	Cooling	Trigger: Atmospheric CO₂ fell below ~3000 ppm due to silicate weathering. Consequence: Rapid ice-sheet expansion, global glaciation, marine extinction (~85%).
Late Devonian Warming–Cooling Cycles	380–360	±4°C	~5 Myr	±0.8°C/Myr	Oscillating	Trigger: Expansion of terrestrial plants enhanced weathering, altering CO₂ and nutrient cycles. Consequence: Ocean anoxia; collapse of reef ecosystems; biotic turnover.
End-Permian (P–T Boundary) Warming	252	+8–10°C	~60 kyr	+0.13°C/kyr	Rapid warming	Trigger: Siberian Traps CO₂ and methane release exceeded carbon-sink capacity. Consequence: Ocean acidification, anoxia, 90% species extinction (“Great Dying”).
End-Triassic Warming	201	+4–6°C	~100 kyr	+0.05°C/kyr	Warming	Trigger: CO₂ surge from Central Atlantic Magmatic Province volcanism. Consequence: Mass extinction (~80% species), ocean acidification, ecological reset.
Early Jurassic Cooling (Toarcian Event)	183	−3–4°C	~500 kyr	−0.006°C/kyr	Cooling	Trigger: Organic carbon burial drew down atmospheric CO₂. Consequence: Ocean oxygenation recovery, temporary biotic recovery.
Mid-Cretaceous Hothouse	100–90	+4–6°C	~10 Myr	+0.5°C/Myr	Warming	Trigger: Sustained volcanism, elevated CO₂ (>1000 ppm). Consequence: Polar warmth, sea level +200 m, low equator-to-pole gradient, low oxygen oceans.
Cretaceous–Paleogene (K–Pg) Cooling	66	−5°C	~100 kyr	−0.05°C/kyr	Cooling	Trigger: Chicxulub impact and sulfate aerosols blocked sunlight. Consequence: Collapse of food webs, non-avian dinosaur extinction, mammal radiation.
Paleocene–Eocene Thermal Maximum (PETM)	56	+5–8°C	~20 kyr	+0.25–0.4°C/kyr	Rapid warming	Trigger: Abrupt methane hydrate and CO₂ release. Consequence: Ocean acidification, mammal dwarfing, poleward species migration.
Eocene–Oligocene Cooling (Antarctic Glaciation)	34	−4°C	~400 kyr	−0.01°C/kyr	Cooling	Trigger: CO₂ dropped below ~600 ppm — threshold for Antarctic ice-sheet formation. Consequence: Permanent glaciation of Antarctica; new albedo–CO₂ feedback regime.
Middle Miocene Climatic Transition	14	−2–3°C	~2 Myr	−1.0°C/Myr	Cooling	Trigger: CO₂ fell to ~300 ppm; Antarctic ice expanded; thermohaline circulation shift. Consequence: Strengthened polar fronts; modern cold deep oceans established.
Pliocene Warm Period	3	+2–3°C (above preindustrial)	~200 kyr	+0.01°C/kyr	Warming	Trigger: CO₂ stabilized near 400 ppm. Consequence: Sea level +10–20 m; reduced polar ice, similar to near-future projections.
Pleistocene Glacial–Interglacial Cycles	2.6–0.011	±5–6°C	~100 kyr/cycle	±0.05°C/kyr	Oscillating	Trigger: Orbital (Milankovitch) thresholds altering ice-albedo feedbacks. Consequence: Regular glacial cycles; global ecosystems adapted to 100 kyr rhythm.
Last Glacial Maximum → Holocene Warming	20–11.7 kyr ago	+5°C	~8 kyr	+0.6°C/kyr	Warming	Trigger: Rising insolation, ice–albedo feedbacks, CO₂ rise from 180→280 ppm. Consequence: Ice retreat; stable Holocene climate; rise of agriculture and civilization.
Industrial–Anthropocene Warming (AGW)	0.000185–0	+1.3°C (so far)	~170 yr	+7.6°C/kyr	Rapid warming	Predicted Triggers: Approaching multiple tipping thresholds — • Greenland ice-sheet melt accelerating (>1.5°C global mean) • West Antarctic collapse (~2°C) • AMOC weakening (~2–4°C) • Permafrost carbon release (~1.5–2°C) • Coral reef collapse (~1.5°C). Predicted Consequences: Amplified feedbacks, abrupt sea-level rise (>1 m/century possible), ocean acidification, biosphere restructuring, irreversible warming trajectory if CO₂ >500 ppm.

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While there have been considerable temperature changes compared to AGW, the warming/cooling rate is markedly less than AGW.

Benaiah468 said:

The ICJ has ruled that Israel must resume cooperation with UNRWA and other UN organisations.

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It should

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The 11 judges of the World Court demand that Israel cooperate unconditionally with UNRWA, an organisation that is demonstrably infiltrated by Hamas terrorists

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It's not

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and whose employees actively participated in the worst massacre of Jews since the Holocaust.

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Oh the humanity!
There I was thinking Hamas terrorists did it.
Oh wait - they did.

Benaiah468 said:

This decision is more than just a legal error: it is a moral bankruptcy

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Yeah - you get em with your moral indignation! Except - who killed 67,000 Gazans and 18,000 children?

Benaiah468 said:

that legitimises terrorists

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Israel have for decades now increasingly behaved like the very regime that forced so many Jews to flee Europe in WW2!! Discrimination becomes Persecution becomes Ghettoization becomes Deportation becomes Concentration → the mass starvation in Gaza today. So which is worse - militant Islam or militant Zionism? I know the numbers for THIS case!

Benaiah468 said:

The 11 ICJ judges brazenly claim that Israel has not presented ‘sufficient evidence’ that a significant portion of UNRWA employees belong to Hamas. This statement is not only false, it is a deliberate distortion of reality. Israel has presented hundreds of documents, video recordings, audio evidence and intelligence dossiers that prove beyond doubt that UNRWA is not a neutral aid organisation, but an integral part of Hamas's terrorist infrastructure.

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You've drunk the cool-aid. But the ICJ are quite experienced in this stuff. They know what to look for when Israel send fake propaganda through to them. Israel have ignored the UN's rulings for over half a century - and continue to practice slow-motion ethnic cleansing in the West Bank. Settler colonisation. It's illegal, it's immoral, and it's killing people! How many people have Zionists killed in just the West Bank in the last decade!

Oh look - THAT number is higher than the October 7 attack on Israel!

But - unlike Israel - they're not armed by a super-power.
So they can't do anything - except die - or get kicked off the land the UN has granted them.
Or go crazy and commit more Oct 7's.

All of which means - maybe - just maybe - Israel could try OBEYING international law for once? Let Palestine develop as it should? Stop the pretence at moralistic outrage.

The world is disgusted with Israel right now.

We watched Gazan civilians being blown to bits for too long - with Netanyahu continuing the war to maintain emergency powers and avoid jail, sort of like Donald Trump's desperation to become President to avoid his won legal situations.

This perverse motivation drove him into Israel's hard right.

The UN's food distribution was cut from 400 to Israel's 4 - who then used 'crowding' as an excuse to shoot em up!

Innocent civilians - trying to get food!

And any time nations raised concerns over watching them starve - Israel's PM just called them Anti-Semitic.
Buddy - you use that word too much and we see through your indignation straight into the jail cell waiting patiently behind you.
Go away Bibi - you're a whining little boy who has lied almost as much as Trump.

Go straight to jail - do not collect $200!

childeye 2 said:

I didn't say they think it's a dictatorship. I am conveying that they are against it becoming a dictatorship.

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So wait a minute. Trump is not a dictatorship and yet we have all this violence and assassinations attempts and murder because some people think it might become one.

Isn't this is what was said 10 years ago the first time Trump won that the opposition said it would become a dictatorship and it never. Yet we seen dictator type governance from the Dems when they ot in using lawfare againt the opposition, gas lighting the nation over Biden and bypassing the democratic process in selecting their presesidential candidate Harris.

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So do I.

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Then how is it a dictatorship or threatening to become one. Do you think people narratives about Trump being a dictator has fuels the idea of Trump being seen as one by the opposition. When its not actually one. Which in turn is fueling violence where some radicals are calling for a revolution and the taking out of TRump and others as part of that revolution to bring down the government.

childeye 2 said:

Polls can be misleading. What do people think of deporting dreamers for example. https://www.pewresearch.org/race-and-ethnicity/2025/03/26/americans-views-of-deportations/

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No the polls are the polls. Why is it they are always misleading when they don't say what you want them to say. Most people on this thread seem to believe that stopping illegals is the right thing to do considering the problems its causing for the US. Trump was electred on this policy why would it now be misleading. Its consistent with what he was elected for.

childeye 2 said:

I would think billionaires would be more for autocracy while ordinary citizens would be for preserving democracy.

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Why do you keep saying this. Do you realise the biggest billionaire in the world is behind the dems and sponsoring them in Mr Soros. Many dems have wealth. Trump was not even a republican when before becoming president. MUst was a democrate and it was fine. Now he supports Trump he is some dictator.

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The media marketplace is already owned by conglomerates who make money either way. Do you remember when I showed who voted for citizens united and who voted for the FEC?

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I am not sure. Why is it important if both sides do it. Why are you singling out one side over the other.

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What violence are you referring to? I like to reason upon facts.

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You don't think all the talk about Trump and the Right being dictators and Nazis is not fueling violence. About Kirk speaking hate and needing to be silenced. That 1/3 of college kids now think its ok to use violence against political opponents. The rising political violence, 3 assassination attempts on TRump, one successful one on Kirk and other shootings and threats everyday. THreats and violence has gone up 1,000%.

If you like to reason the facts and you seem to be keeping up with all this situation how is it you don't know and have to ask for evidence. You should know if you keep up with facts and use critical thinking.

There’s a growing number of Americans who think violence might be necessary to get the country back on track
The belief that violence may be the answer has grown among Republicans and independents – up 3 and 7 percentage points, respectively, since April last year. But the largest increase has been among Democrats. Now 28% of Democrats share that view, up 16 points.

Americans say politically motivated violence is increasing, and they see many reasons why

Right-wing terror attacks plunged in 2025, while left-wing attacks ticked up: study

This tells us that the beliefs of thinking violence is more acceptable is actually resulting factually in more violence. So when people push this narrative that the US is under threat from dictators and Nazi they are actually cultivating violence in the streets.

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That's what most people think that support Trump. But the fact remains, we're not supposed to have the military doing domestic law enforcement.

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As far as I understand its completely within the constitution. The courts have supported this. I thought you said you reasoned out the facts. If you mischaracterise Trump and the supporters then this is what is causing the problem.

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Trump is saying he is considering invoking the insurrection act, based on false claims of out of control crime rates in Democratic run cities.

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Well he will only be able to if this is actually the case. The constitution deals with such situations. But lets keep with reality.

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I'd say they are ignoring what he is saying.

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No I mean that Trump supports disagree. If they agree with Trump actions on immigration.

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I don't think you understand what is going on. Trump lost a fair election. With the help of fellow republicans he tried to get Pence the vice president to overturn the results so as to stay in power. That is proof of a wannabe dictator. He now fires anyone in his administration who doesn't believe his slander.

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Yet the majority voted him back in as though this was not the case. Thats the reality. Are they all fools.

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Like I said, he lost the election fair and square. He slanders people. There is no evidence of far-left radicals.

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But he won the election fair and square now and people are trying to undermine this now. He is doing what he promised and people support this.

People keep bringing up old news. In fact the reason why some dems and other independents joined with Trump was because they actually percieved it the other way around. That it was the dems who were threatening democracy with all their gas lighting and lawfare. Some are at this point being indicted.

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I like to reason upon facts. You need to provide some evidence of what you claim.

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I don't think you like to reason out facts. I already gave you the facts.

childeye 2 said:

The disagreement is about what constitutes humane and just treatment of people. We have parents who are illegals who have children who are lawful citizens. We have children who were brought here as toddlers and are now living productive lives as adults and professionals who don't have any prospects in the country they were brought from. We have millions of refugees who have no lawful citizenship anywhere in the world.

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So how does any of this change the fact that they are illegal. As far as I understand the children involved parents are the illegals. So some are being deported and as a result are taking their children with them. The children citizens are not being deporteed and the government cannot do so under the consitution.

This is an example of the false narrative that Trump is deporting citizens that is contributing to the violence. People then believe this and then attack the government. The same as the false narrative about ICE agents wearing masks like some secret police. They are protecting theirs and their families life from these radicals.

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The problem is complex. Cartels just toss drug shipments over the wall or cut holes in it with angle grinders. They simply pay border guards to look the other way.

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Ok so a tougher stand on border security will at least reduce most of this.

How Trump’s border crackdown has choked cartels’ fentanyl flow into the US

Why is it always the negatiove stuff and never the positive. If its about being humane then is not stopping this horror drug trade thats killing many people and destroying communities good.

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Yeah, when he fools people, he really fools people.

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Your more or less saying anyone who supports Trump is deluded. This is part of the problem.

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Immigration reform has been an issue for most of my lifetime.

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Good so Trump finally doing something is good is it not. It seems it has been left like the middle east and terrorism and now action is being taken rather than just accepting it happens or even cultivating a situation for it to happen.

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I not sure why you say maybe. I like to reason upon facts and what I have provided is what I find as officially documented. I don't recall any narratives that suggested illegals were not illegals, so I don't know what you mean.

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Lol they never say it outright. They are not that stupid. Its politics. Often the language is not explicit but implicit. When for example Harris promised free health care for illegals she was more or less promoting people coming illegally into the US with the promise of better health care if you came to the US illegally.

There are many such examples and this cultivates people coming and then being catered for. The better policy would have been illegals get no health benefits so don't come. All part of making it absolutely clear that coming is illegal and there will be no benefit from breaking the laws.

Sen. Kamala Harris’s claim that an ‘undocumented immigrant is not a criminal’

Justice Department Publishes List of Sanctuary Jurisdictions

Democrats Used To Talk About 'Criminal Immigrants,' So What Changed The Party?
The makeup of the Democratic Party has changed, and its base has adopted a fundamentally more progressive attitude on immigration in a relatively short time span. The reality is that Democrats have moved, too, from when the party cited the flow of drugs and "criminal immigrants" two decades ago, the same arguments for border security that Republicans use now.

The Progressive Moment Is *Still* Over
Thus, while in 1998 similar majorities of both Democrats and Republicans believed in the need to control and reduce illegal immigration, by 2018 Democrats had largely abandoned this view and Republicans had increasingly embraced it.

1. Loosening restrictions on illegal immigration was a terrible idea and voters hated it.
Aside from the economy, no issue loomed as large in the Democrats’ 2024 election drubbing than the immigration issue. Voters thought Democrats had completely lost the plot on illegal immigration and utterly failed to control the border. Voters cast their ballots accordingly, clearly preferring a much tougher approach to illegal immigration, including not just closing the border but deporting illegal immigrants already in the country.

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I don't personally know of anybody who disagrees with deporting illegals full stop.

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According to the above articles the Dems use to be tough on bordcers and illegal immigration but then changed suddenly in the last 10 years. Became more progreswsive on this issue to the point some were radically progressive thus fueling violence at tough immigration.

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I know it's mostly illegal people who have grown up here and who have productive lives and who are neighbors and who have children born here who are legal citizens that out of compassion many would like to see amnesty be granted.

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Yes that seems fair enough. Just start from now and those who have been here for some time just grant citizenship and move on. There may be some cases more complicated but primarily if they have been here a long time and have not done anything wrong they should be able to stay.

We had the same problem when we cracked down a couple of decades ago.

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Geopolitically, I know Aleksandr Dugin has spoken about it for decades. A plan to divide the world into three superpowers by destabilizing democratic governments with culture wars.

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lol I though the idea being pushed is a one world government (The Great Reset) where we will have less and be more happier than ever. Some sort of socialist utopia. A sort mimicking of Gods kingdom.

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The plan involves step one, buying up media in those countries with democratic governments,

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Sort of all ready happening. Or was happening. The problem is you have to stop democracy to do so because the very nature of democracy and freedom is that it allows independents to rise up.

With the didgital age anyone has access to the world and can do it from their living room or home studio and have as much clout as the big boys. In fact has been partly why the big media is failing now and no one believes them anymore.

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and also buying large shares in companies who employ large numbers of the citizenry in the major cities. Step two, create turmoil and war in countries bordering those democratic countries, thus creating millions of refugees fleeing into the democratic countries one wants to destabilize. Step three, send in pro autocratic politicians who run on a platform of anti-immigration.

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You know this is true but I don't think its any one particular person or organisation behind it. I think its more assn ideology that has ground through a belief and not a take over by force. I think this is the latest ploy of radical Islamist in infiltrating western nations through media, propaganda, encourage resistence, spreading fake news and trying to divide the nation.

But also as mentioned earlier there is a growing radicalisation which primarily has the same thinking. Except they are doing it for political reason mainly with Marxist beliefs. Many smaller groups like BLM, ANTIFA, Trans groups, Anti Semetics ect. But also nationalist radicals like White supremacy groups like Neo Nazis ect.

Generally what use to happen in far away nations with radical ideology is now coming to western nations. Rather than the western nations spreading freedoms and democracy. It seems the radicals are winning and turning teh world into chaos.

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When Dugin wrote about it, he said America would be difficult and I assume he was referring to the fact that we are already a melting pot of many cultures. He said something like democrats in the USA would not fall for it, but republicans would be open to accepting racism under the guise of anti-multiculturalism.

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I think most western nations began on a unified basis loosely under God. There was at least some respect and unity on certain issues. This created national unity. But things change in a modern progressive world and now we have 101 splintered beliefs and ideologies in the market place competing.

In some ways its a reciept for radicalisation in that sooner or later because they are different and about truth and order in the world that there will be division and at the extremes radical fighting over that truth. We use to have a strong unified identity that was clearly different to far away radical beliefs and ideas. Now who knows. But theres many identity groups now fighting.

childeye 2 said:

The people who work for him don't think so. I've seen two cabinet meetings where each member at the table takes a turn complimenting him on how great he is and what an honor it is to serve under his leadership.

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Using what people thought about others can be a never ending rabbit hole of comparing whose opinion was the worse. Many whave said the same about Harris. Or other politicians on both sides.

Always in His Presence said:

Same as before.

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Just kinda wondering why you felt the need to minimalise it by stressing that it was just a wall or two if it makes no difference to you knocking it all down...

GoldenBoy89 said:

The right is going to have a big midterm problem on their hands if they’ve now lost the retired white people community.

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White retired liberals? Do you think they were all going to vote for Trump? You think they voted for Trump?

Fantine said:

If Speaker Johnson is upset by his mistaken belief that protesters "hate America," then he should use his position to make America a country that we can love and be proud of.

Every day he waits makes the makeover we need more extreme.

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People who.love America aren't consistently trying to change it and make it more like Europe.

wing2000 said:

Yea, those radicals dressed up in inflatable costumes. They must be the "radical left"! ROFL

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Not every one of them is a violent radical. It would really be bad if they were. But there were plenty of radicals radicals there.