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Eric Trump on Charlie Kirk’s Legacy and the Radical Left – “This Could Have Been the Greatest Mistake These People Have Ever Made” (VIDEO)

Absolutely false.
Robinson:
  • “I had enough of his hatred. Some hate can’t be negotiated out.” Murder is radical and per Tyler’s own family he had moved to the left. It is absolutely insanity for anyone to claim a MAGA Republican murdered Charlie Kirk. If it quacks like a duck it is a duck,

Even assuming that transcript is from a real conversation (which has yet to be proven), it doesn't prove political motivation. It just demonstrates personal grievance or animus.
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The Trump DOJ goes "woke" and will target free speech.

An example of what? My point is that someone who registers as "most liberal" based on senate voting record could be anything from a political moderate to a full-blown communist because the senate never actually votes on anything that could be considered "far left".
The view points are expressed and become part of the ideology even if is not being voted on. The views points of Bernie and the squad are well known and their votes sometimes reflect their views.
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Transcript of Kirk's killer's messages has been revealed

Yes, but I haven't seen any that call for genocide.

If a person was born male and named Kevin..

Kevin says, I feel like I'm in the wrong body, I feel like I'm actually a woman, and will be changing my name to Allison, and I expect you to address me as such and affirm what I feel is true.

There's a big difference between saying:
"Sorry Kevin, but I don't agree with that, I think what you're actually dealing with is a mental health issue, and I'm not going to be an active participant in this"

...vs someone saying
"We need to eugenically eliminate Kevin and everyone like Kevin"

Limiting access to gender-affirming care does that effectively.
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JB Pritzker Claims He Has Never Called Republicans ‘Nazis’ – Gets Proven Wrong by Videos of His Own Words

Do you agree that there's a difference between these two statements?

1. Republicans are Nazis!

2. These specific people (who happen to be Republicans), are doing these specific things that look a lot like these other specific things that the Nazis did.
Read my first post.
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The Trump DOJ goes "woke" and will target free speech.

The Democrat party lost some long term credibility and has been floundering ever since Obama's decision to bail out the banks in 2009, but cultural issues weren't a major reason for Harris's loss (most Americans ignore cultural issues when it comes to voting, and vote based on perception of the economy).
Many of us independents did not ignore the cultural issues primarily the compulsion of pronouns and the erosion of parental rights among many others.
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The Trump DOJ goes "woke" and will target free speech.

Not at all. Harris, Hillary Clinton, and Obama were all center-left. The far left didn't vote for Harris.
Hello? I dont know where you have been in the last 10 years. But last I checked, Hillary, Harris, and Obama are not running anything right now, much less the Democratic Party. Would you like to try again with the red herring?
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Former Pink Floyd member Roger Waters faces possible prosecution after supporting banned Palestine Action

Uh huh...did I just make up those ISLAMIC terms?
I didn't say you made them up. I said I'm sure your understanding of them is not the same as that of mainstream Muslims.
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The Trump DOJ goes "woke" and will target free speech.

I disagree with you. Bernie Sanders would be an example.
An example of what? My point is that someone who registers as "most liberal" based on senate voting record could be anything from a political moderate to a full-blown communist because the senate never actually votes on anything that could be considered "far left".

When I say that the senate is "inherently conservative," that's not a statement on the politics of the individual senators, but rather the bills that they vote on and their general agenda as a legislative body.
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Gibbons Decline & Fall & Christianity

No, that is NOT "authentic history." I have asked you for specific citations from historical documents of the time. Didn't the supposed "historians" you revere provide any? Without such historical documents from the time it is just supposition and fabrication.
That is absolutely authentic history. Deny whatever you wish. Nevertheless, the historical account and teachings of the New Testament reveal this exact predicted change within Christianity, from an institution empowered by the Holy Spirit of God unto conviction and conversion unto an institution empowered by the state and the man of sin. Which the histories I have and will continue to share on this thread document and confirm as well. Which of course those who deny these truths, downplay as unreliable and insignificant history. You may pretend that that which happened and was recorded by historians didn't happen if you wish, nevertheless I have already furnished you with the facts regarding Sunday sacredness established by Imperial law and continued state enforcement throughout the world and history to this very day. Not to mention the many examples of Imperially enforced "Christianity" already posted from Gibbons which all confirm this fact. This change took place, period, fact of matter. Professed Christinas instigated and caused government intrusion by their own infighting and violence as they ever grew in numbers, the favored parties then accepting such intrusion as being befitted by such, then they promoted such, and then they became the overlords of state enforced religion themselves. Unto untold persecutions then and in the future. Deny what you wish, I will continue due to supply the historical record of these exact processes.
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The Trump DOJ goes "woke" and will target free speech.

Yes both are true but it’s a bit deeper than this. The message that the Democratic Party put out in the last election did not match Harris moderate shift. In fact the democratic views on immigration, obsessiveness with cultural issues, and soft on crime stances, all progressive and far left stances, lost the party many votes in the last election. You argue that the far left does not run your party but the perception (and truth) is that it does. I’m an independent and those issues turned me away from voting democrat in the last cycle and might again in the next cycle unless the message and stances change.

The Democrat party lost some long term credibility and has been floundering ever since Obama's decision to bail out the banks in 2009, but cultural issues weren't a major reason for Harris's loss (most Americans ignore cultural issues when it comes to voting, and vote based on perception of the economy).
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Trump to designate antifa a 'major terrorist organization'

Radical Islam is an ideology. Perhaps they should be treated in a similar fashion like it's 2001.
"Terrorist organization" means you can start exerting law enforcement against them.

In the USA we dont do that just for holding ideological views, even bad ones. Well, we dont do that yet..... Are you suggesting we should?
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The Trump DOJ goes "woke" and will target free speech.

I read polls during the campaigns. Hillary was trying to walk back her Iraq vote for years, and Harris's policy on marijuana, and refusal to cut short certain offenders' sentences turned off a lot of voters.
Yes both are true but it’s a bit deeper than this. The message that the Democratic Party put out in the last election did not match Harris moderate shift. In fact the democratic views on immigration, obsessiveness with cultural issues, and soft on crime stances, all progressive and far left stances, lost the party many votes in the last election. You argue that the far left does not run your party but the perception (and truth) is that it does. I’m an independent and those issues turned me away from voting democrat in the last cycle and might again in the next cycle unless the message and stances change.
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Trump to designate antifa a 'major terrorist organization'

Okay, this is interesting because I'm finding different facts, Can I get the link please?
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Charlie Kirk Didn’t Shy Away From Who He Was. We Shouldn’t, Either

I don't know what that even means. Are you actually saying KIrk caused his own murder. Its actually Kirks fault and not the murderer.
Kirk said, "I think it’s worth it to have a cost of, unfortunately, some gun deaths every single year so that we can have the second amendment to protect our other God-given rights. That is a prudent deal. It is rational."

As a result of that, this cartoon is getting a lot of press:

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  • Prayers
Reactions: Fantine
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ABC pulls Jimmy Kimmel Live after comments on Charlie Kirk

Meh, brainwashed thralldom ain't so bad.
I wish I were confident that you were joking.

But that is, indeed, one of the three components of classical fascism as described by the fascists themselves: Political irrationalism.

The other two components are:

Organicism: A “blood and soil” concept where a certain people are the rightful inheritors of the nation.

Absolutism: The will of those people is embodied by a single Inspired Leader.

At this point, all three exist in MAGA.
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