Hans Blaster said:

Your computer/device has a time (in UTC) that is just as accurate as any served from a remote NASA server. This complaint is bogus.

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A server is just another computer. Nasa should have their own servers from which they can keep their own time, and the set data of the supposed satellite. The plain point remains the same, the page is not actually tracking anything, but rather is giving calculations based on the users clock.
The users clock is not accurate, the user can change their clock to whatever time, as I did.
A time maintained by a nasa server would be accurate,
as no one could change it but them, and also changing the users computer clock would then not effect the page.

Hans Blaster said:

I don't know the actual interval between telemetry data from Voyager, but it isn't continuous. (The bit rate is extremely low and requires resources to receive the signal.)

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Right, so you think they receive an actual signal from the satellite way out in 'outer-space'.
If that is the case, the data on that page should only ever change with that signal.
The page simply stating when they receive the signal.

And someone stated how that the signal was updated on April 18th,
my initial demonstration was on April 22nd, I was able to change my clock refresh that page and get different results.

If it really is that they receive a signal every so often,
then at that point they know the data,
and could just store that data in a database, the website referencing the database. Simple.

The page is setup to look as if it is getting live data from a satellite,
but certainly it is not, the data displayed is based off the users own clock, as I demonstrated,
and you can also test it for yourself.

The data, all of the data, the animations and everything, changes if I change my computer clock and refresh the page,
showing that it is not tracking any signal, or even getting data from a database, but rather just my computers clock.
Very elementary simple. (as I showed in my code example)

It is as if they don't know how to code on the server, they have some old guy that does everything still for the websites,
or they did it on purpose.

Hans Blaster said:

Go download the raw data if you like. I doubt you have the foggiest idea how to use it.

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Where can I download the raw data?


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Just to be clear, this: Voyager - Mission Status
is what we are talking about.
What raw data?

Not operation schedules, not posters,
the raw data from the supposed satellite that the page is supposedly tracking,
where is it dear one?

Nowhere, the page is giving data based on the users clock, not any "raw data" from a "satellite" in "outer-space".

The Nasa logo has a snakes tongue for a reason. Deception is what they practice.
Lies, blaspheme about God, blaspheme about His tabernacle and blaspheme about them that dwell beyond the sky.

Even when you click the "view voyager" button and get the fancier animation, that too is going off your computers clock,
you can change where the "satellite" is by simply changing your computers clock.

Where can I download the raw data?

No where.

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Pommer said:

We could do it with a “civil tax”, like your neighbors have done, and tax everybody fifty bucks unless they voted.

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I pay the $20 fine for not voting in Australia

Aaron112 said:

Do you believe or know or think
that
God Himself Knows What God Means When He Speaks ? ....

the followup is , should someone God speaks to believe God, or not ?

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I both think and believe that God Knows What God Means When He Speaks.
Are you asking if “God Himself [Only?] Knows” ??

the followup is , should someone God speaks to believe God, or not ?

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Does Jesus’ words “He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches.” apply here?

How do your questions relate to the technical definition of interpretation?

keras said:

Jesus will Return in 'like manner', and it is never said He will return twice.
We do have a good picture of the Return in Revelation 19:11-16.

The idea that He will come to take the Church to heaven, is a fable and is never Prophesied to happen in the Bible.

Zechariah 14:4 On that Day, His feet will stand on the Mount of Olives........
Jesus Returns to the exact same place as He Ascended from. Acts 1:11 fulfilled.

I have to wonder about your comprehension ability.
John 14:3 is plainly a reference to the new Jerusalem, to come here after the Millennium.

You show your almost total lack of knowledge of what the Prophesies say about the Jews. They face punishment and only a remnant will survive.
Matthew 24:31 says His chosen people will be gathered, Who are the Chosen people since Jesus came? 1 Peter 2:9-10 makes that clear.

Of course; this truth of the Jewish demise, Isaiah 22:14, wrecks to 'rapture to heaven' theory, as they must have the Jews on earth, while they twiddle their thumbs in heaven. Tough!

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Jesus has returned many times (He walked in the Garden of Eden; He wrestled with Jacob; He transfigured in front of three disciples — newly appearing to them with two others; He appeared to Mary Magdalene at the tomb; He appeared to hundreds more in town, including all 12 of His disciples; and He appeared to Paul on the road to Damascus.

Jesus returns at-will, and His returns can be private. There’s no limitation on His returns in the Bible. The Second Advent is about His second return to prove He is the Messiah, the Lord of lords and the King of kings.

Acts 1:9-11 are not about location or the 2A (Rev 19:11-16) or any prophecy after the 2A. Acts 1:9-11 are about “the way”in which Jesus will next return. Acts 1:9-11 prove that Jesus ascended in the view of believers, only. He therefore must next return into the view of believers, only.

In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye (1 Cor 15:52) at the sound of “the last trump” (1 Th 4:16), we are changed into our glorified bodies, and we are gathered to Him, in the air (1 Th 4:17).

Matt 24:31 does not “gather to Him.” Matt 24:31 will also occur in the view of unbelievers. Jesus’ next return is into the view of believers, only.

In Acts 1:9, Jesus ascended in the view of believers, only. He therefore must next descend into the view of believers, only. 1 Th 4-16-17 are the only verses that align with the prophecy in Acts 1:11, and they occur pre-Trib.

The verse below (Rev 6:10) proves that “those who dwell on the earth” is a phrase that means “unbelievers” who are left behind after the pre-Trib rapture.

Rev 6:10 (ESV): They cried out with a loud voice, “O Sovereign Lord, holy and true, how long before you will judge and avenge our blood on those who dwell on the earth?”

The verse below proves that as of its point on the timeline, the only folks on Earth are the 144k and “those people who do not have the seal of God on their foreheads.”

Rev 9:4 (ESV): They were told not to harm the grass of the earth or any green plant or any tree, but only those people who do not have the seal of God on their foreheads.

Those two verses prove that believers do not enter the Trib.

Having read that paper...


An early statement in it:

‘...the basic idea has been to identify a subset of an agent's motivating psychological elements as privileged for self-determination and responsibility, such that as long as one's actions are ultimately governed by this subset, they count as one's own and thus render one eligible for responsibility-responses to them.’

This is simply wrong. Our psychological make-up was determined by conditions over which we had no control. The decisions we make are themselves then partly determined by it whether we are conscious of that happening or not.

The author goes on to contrast first level desires with second level ones and claims that the latter has a greater impact. No surprise there and no argument from me.

‘I directly contrast behavior produced by elements of an agent's Deep Self—that is, by elements of an agent's interior life (e.g., motivations, values, and convictions) that the agent clearly endorses—with behavior produced by an agent's conscious mental processes (or Conscious Self).’

This appears to be the general thrust of the paper. That there is a general feeling (a folk view as he puts it) that people consider someone has greater responsibility when they make a conscious decision (second level) versus an inbuilt subconscious desire (first level). There was nothing else worth commenting on.

BPPLEE said:

My back has caused so much leg pain it’s limited what I can do. DDP Yoga has a back pain program I’m going to try that and I’m looking into inversion but read that it causes pressure behind the eyes and makes glaucoma worse. I don’t have glaucoma but don’t want to cause any eye problems.

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You don't have to do full inversions to do spinal decompression. Cat, cow, and child's pose are all examples of yoga poses that can involve some spinal decompression.

timewerx said:

I don't eat junk food, no fast food, no sweets. My diet in the last couple of months has been mostly fish, bread, banana, and vegetables.

So far, all the symptoms are mostly in my head (no pun intended) and some in the chest (heart) region.

I've been dealing with very high levels of stress for couple of years now though. Could be stress. Lower levels of stress have been known to kill perfectly healthy individuals so could be it. So far, exercise seems to help hold things together.

But why only my head and the heart? The rest of my body fees perfect otherwise.

Complications of Covid also commonly affects the head and heart region.

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Yes Covid and the vaccine have all kinds of lingering effects.

timewerx said:

I stopped exercising for a day and I suffered bouts of migraines and headaches. It's been happening for some time now each time I don't exercise for a day.

It started back in the year 2020, the start of Covid pandemic. I might have been infected back then but is completely asymptomatic. Then I got infected back in 2021 where the symptoms are stronger but still asymptomatic to some degree. At the time, my migraines got worse if I don't exercise.

This year I think my condition is the worst yet. If I don't do my daily 2 hr exercise, skip for just a day, I'll get severe migraines. Sometimes no migraines but bouts of vertigo-like symptoms (not spinning but feels more like being hit by a big sea wave, strong vibrating sensation in my head, like someone taped a phone in my head and make it vibrate). It's a very weird sensation, almost feels good but also feels like I'm going to lose consciousness.

Migraines themselves look weirder too with visual artifacts that looks like group pictures of people.

Otherwise, if I keep to my daily 2 hr exercise, no problems whatsoever and feel perfectly healthy. I think there might be something in my head I couldn't be bothered to get checked.

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My back has caused so much leg pain it’s limited what I can do. DDP Yoga has a back pain program I’m going to try that and I’m looking into inversion but read that it causes pressure behind the eyes and makes glaucoma worse. I don’t have glaucoma but don’t want to cause any eye problems.

IceJad said:

Sola Scriptura didn't exist as a concept but it doesn't mean there is no precedence for it. All religious traditions and rites still reference back to some Scriptural passage.

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Not necessarily. Traditional church architecture, the notion of using a cross as a symbol for Christians, even the amount of water to use in baptism, all of those are extrabiblical and rest on a tradition of some kind.

quietbloke said:

Jesus prayed 'that they may be one..'

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Integral brother QB, so as not to quench the Spirit!

TheCabinetGuy said:

No it is not the hexagram, though the hexagram, pentagram, or any other satanic symbol would still be just as bad. A blazing sun with an eye or hand in the middle is what people who have had visions/dreams about it are describing...

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The Bible hints at a star Amos 5:26,
and of satanic people pretending to be Jews Rev 2:9, 3:9,
and of the anti-Christ pretending to be Jesus 2 Thess 1:8-11, Matt 24:23-24.

The... hexagram.. is directly associated with the first two hints, and is already held in high religious regard.
The prophecy club vision is interesting, I do believe holograms will be associated with both the mark and primarily the image of the beast.
A more rounded hexagram with holographic light coming from it fits that vision.

Can God control birds and cats? Does He give signs with them sometimes?

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IceJad said:

I was not so much asking as proving a fact. Fact that Joe's talking points are moot. Immigration is not what makes the US economy strong.

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It's what made the economy what it is. As I said, apart from some people living on bits of land granted to them that they used to own, everyone in the US is either an immigrant or born of immigrants.

IceJad said:

You were the one who tried to run defense for Joe by downplaying his FUBAR (fouled up beyond any recognition).

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I already called that out. It wasn't a smart think to say. So he gets an irate response from a couple of ambassadors. All things considered, that's small potatoes. What would you prefer? Calling a country xenophobic or a **** hole? Seems like you'd give whoever said the latter a pass but not the former?

QuestionQuest74 said:

If a person is married to a person that are not in love with are they in sin. Please support with scriptures

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Is a person sinning, if they don't have romantic love for the person they are married to?

1 Samuel 25:3
His name was Nabal, and his wife’s name was Abigail. She was an intelligent and beautiful woman, but her husband, a Calebite, was harsh and evil in his dealings.

The Bible does not say Abigale did not love her husband, but she certainly did not love his ways.
She said, "My lord should pay no attention to this scoundrel Nabal, for he lives up to his name: His name means Fool, and folly accompanies him. I, your servant, did not see my lord’s young men whom you sent." 1 Samuel 25:25

Abigale however, remained submissive to her husband. She put up with him in agape love. 1 Samuel 25:36, 37; Colossians 3:13

Agape, is stronger than eros, and is the love that allows a person to love a person one may not be attracted to.
So, while a person may not be in love with another (eros), agape love can keep them united in love, and prevent them from sinning against God, by being unloving, unkind, and selfish. 1 Corinthians 13:4-8
Love... bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things. Love never fails.

stevevw said:

But your not considering that decisions can be made despite the antecedents which can break the antecedence. You assuming that free will must be based on no antecedence becauser antecedents must nullify the ability to make free choices.

But we can make free choices despite the antecedents and in absence of antecendents. In other words we are not entirely subject to antecedents. We can rise above this through our conscious awareness of ourselves, the world and even the fact that we are subject to antecendents.

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The prior conditions determine our actions. Determine our choices. They constitute the reasons why we do what we do. Otherwise...there is no reason. And yet again, you need to give me an example of a decision made without a reason which determined that decision. And if you do I'll explain to you that it was arbitrary.

stevevw said:

But your assuming the only factors involved are the antecedents. You deminishing the power and influence of consciousness itself. If consciousness is the the result of antecents then it can also in spite, above and over the antecendents.

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Consciousness is not the result of any antecedents. It's what enables us to ponder them. To consider the conditions. To weigh the pros and conns. To reach a decision about what we desire to do. To say 'it's wrong to assume that the only factors are the antecedents' is no more than saying it's wrong to consider the matter at all. Your choices can only be made in light of the the factors that affect it. How can you make a decision without doing that? It would be like me saying that you have to take the red pill or the blue one. 'But what does each do?' Hey, you'll need to make the call without that knowledge.

stevevw said:

Its the fact that we can inject a non antecendent aspect of ourselves, of reality into the equation which adds the dimension of our minds which expands the knowledge and ability of humans is what can overcome the antecedents.

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You yourself, your character, your wants and desires, your moral position, your beliefs, your knowledge, they are some of the antecedents.

stevevw said:

If you take the materialist view that all there is are physical and material causes and determinants then of course you will limit human ability to robotic mechanical processes of cause and effect.

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Pretty much. But you don't have to live like that. If it's too depressing a conclusion then reject it.