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RDKirk · 2025-11-24T10:08:42-0600

BCP1928 said:
If they were obeying Calley's orders, why would they be court-marshelled? The Kent State guardsmen were coached to testify that they thought they were in deadly danger and acted in self-defense. Why couldn't Calley's men do the same?

They didn't need that defense. The military essentially had a defense for them.

As I explained in another post, in military law ignorance is a defense. Improper orders, the fog of war, demonstrable ignorance of the actual laws, and a number of other factors already recognized by military law operated in their favor.

That factor of "demonstrable ignorance of actual laws" is what the military jumped on with both feet in the years following that case.

Warden_of_the_Storm · 2025-11-24T10:07:53-0600

jonojim1337 said:
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Those are indeed photos.

Where are they from? As in, location names and such?

7thKeeper · 2025-11-24T10:07:08-0600

Oompa Loompa said:
Sure. Trump is the GOP's Nancy Pelosi.

Huh... Didn't expect you to make that accusation about the Republicans.

jonojim1337 · 2025-11-24T10:06:35-0600

Warden_of_the_Storm said:
I obviously don't because I've not heard of this before now. So how about you show me such structures then.

Hentenza · 2025-11-24T10:04:45-0600

BCP1928 said:
Those all look like confrontational situations to me.

The school system has to use a reason but is it real? Probably not since some of these teachers are winning court cases against the school district.

7thKeeper · 2025-11-24T10:04:40-0600

stevevw said:
Its not just about Trump or any side.I don't want to get into who is the worst or which side does what.

I'm sorry, but you're the one who brought that up. If you can show what these cases/things are, sure, go ahead, they should be. But if you can't, then it'll just end up being an attempt to handwave one person's misdoings away by accusing others. It only works and is true, if that double standard actually applies. Otherwise those are just accurate accusations.

Hentenza · 2025-11-24T10:02:50-0600

BCP1928 said:
Sometimes even then.

I disagree.

RDKirk · 2025-11-24T10:01:42-0600

Yarddog said:
Hmmm, I'm pretty sure if they blew up a speed boat on the Ohio river someone would be spending time in prison.

And if a Creech AFB drone jockey steered a drone into a tent in Yellowstone instead of into a tent in Yemen, they'd be spending time in prison.

What is your point? Are you unable to understand that context matters?

Yarddog said:
JAG has been raising cane and many Navy officers have also, saying it's illegal.

Which JAG? Do you realize that "JAG" does not refer to just any military lawyer? Which particular Judge Advocate General has been raising Cain? Where has he been raising Cain? Has he filed charges anywhere?

Yapping on the Internet is irrelevant. An action becomes "illegal" in a court-martial when the legislature or a higher court says it is. Not before. No ex post facto laws...the Constitution says that.

BCP1928 · 2025-11-24T10:00:36-0600

Hentenza said:
From AI.

Yes, teachers have been fired for refusing to use a transgender student's preferred pronouns, with cases citing insubordination, discrimination, or creating a hostile environment. Conversely, some teachers have sued or challenged their firing on religious or free speech grounds, arguing that being compelled to use specific pronouns violates their rights. Legal battles continue over the balance between school policies on pronoun usage and teacher protections.

Examples of fired teachers

Virginia (2018):
A high school teacher was fired for insubordination after refusing to use a transgender student's new male pronouns.

Wisconsin (2024):
A teacher was fired for not using students' preferred pronouns and is suing, citing religious beliefs.

California (2024):
A school district settled a lawsuit with a teacher who was fired for not following policies on using preferred pronouns, allowing transgender students to use bathrooms aligning with their gender identity, and other directives.

Florida (2025):
A teacher was placed on leave and could face termination for using a student's preferred name instead of their legal name, which some critics say could be a precursor to further action under recent Florida laws.

Those all look like confrontational situations to me.

Hentenza · 2025-11-24T10:00:10-0600

Tinker Grey said:
If the math were linear it would be 6.7 feet, but apparently a squaring factor involved. The drop is non-linear. In fact, at 10 miles, the drop-off is about 66 feet:

David Senesac Visual Line of Sight Calculations dependent on Earth's Curvature

I agree. Just trying to keep it simple.

Warden_of_the_Storm · 2025-11-24T10:00:05-0600

jonojim1337 said:
Everyone knows about megalithic structures in Siberia.

I obviously don't because I've not heard of this before now. So how about you show me such structures then.

BCP1928 · 2025-11-24T09:58:24-0600

Hentenza said:
Unless it shows medical or mental issues.

Sometimes even then.

Hentenza · 2025-11-24T09:57:16-0600

BCP1928 said:
That's just it: I haven't read any. I have read of people fired for being confrontational about it, but I don't understand what, exactly, they think they are confronting.

From AI.

Yes, teachers have been fired for refusing to use a transgender student's preferred pronouns, with cases citing insubordination, discrimination, or creating a hostile environment. Conversely, some teachers have sued or challenged their firing on religious or free speech grounds, arguing that being compelled to use specific pronouns violates their rights. Legal battles continue over the balance between school policies on pronoun usage and teacher protections.

Examples of fired teachers

Virginia (2018):
A high school teacher was fired for insubordination after refusing to use a transgender student's new male pronouns.
- Wisconsin (2024):
  A teacher was fired for not using students' preferred pronouns and is suing, citing religious beliefs.
- California (2024):
  A school district settled a lawsuit with a teacher who was fired for not following policies on using preferred pronouns, allowing transgender students to use bathrooms aligning with their gender identity, and other directives.
- Florida (2025):
  A teacher was placed on leave and could face termination for using a student's preferred name instead of their legal name, which some critics say could be a precursor to further action under recent Florida laws.

jonojim1337 · 2025-11-24T09:57:05-0600

Warden_of_the_Storm said:
No, you made the claim, you put forward the evidence.

Everyone knows about megalithic structures in Siberia.

Tinker Grey · 2025-11-24T09:56:22-0600

Hentenza said:
Your math fails you. At 10 miles the drop would be 6.7 feet. I guess you forgot the point.

If the math were linear it would be 6.7 feet, but apparently a squaring factor involved. The drop is non-linear. In fact, at 10 miles, the drop-off is about 66 feet:

David Senesac Visual Line of Sight Calculations dependent on Earth's Curvature

BCP1928 · 2025-11-24T09:52:57-0600

Hentenza said:
Read about them in the news.

That's just it: I haven't read any. I have read of people fired for being confrontational about it, but I don't understand what, exactly, they think they are confronting.

The Liturgist · 2025-11-24T09:51:12-0600

Reluctant Theologian said:
Why would the Ancient of Days and the Son of Man as appearing in Daniel be the same person? God the Father is not a human being, so I would never use the word 'person' for Him in this day and age (that would cause confusion given the definition of 'person' in any English dictionary). The ancient of Days and the Son of Man in this passage obviously are two distinct beings/identities though - and that's fully Biblical; one can see the same pattern in Psalm 110:1, and several others ..

The word prosopon used by the Fathers to refer to the three Persons of the Holy Trinity is commonly and correctly translated as person, for we worship One God, the Father, Son and Holy Ghost. The All Holy, Undivided and and Life Giving Trinity consists of three coequal, coeternal and uncreated persons, ever one God, united eternally in a union of perfect love, with the Son, begotten of the Father before all ages, and the Holy Spirit, eternally proceeding from the Father, together sharing in the Divine Essence of the unoriginal Father, with each Prosopon having His own Hypostasis, or underlying reality. In the case of our Lord, God and Savior Jesus Christ, in His Incarnation our human nature became hypostatically united to HIs uncreated Divine nature, without change, confusion, separation or division.

Person is the most appropriate word to use even if we consider the ancient use of Prosopon meaning Mask or Face, since if we combine Prosopon with Hypostasis, it adds that element that is implied in the English word Person that the word Prosopon would on its own have in deep antiquity lacked.

It is advisable to stick to the Patristic language and not risk using words such as “beings” or “identities” with regards to the Holy Trinity, as these could have the effect of confusing the relationship between the three Divine Persons.

Since your posting in the Eastern Orthodox subforum causes me to suppose you have an interest in learning about Eastern Orthodox theology, I would suggest you read The Orthodox Way by Metropolitan Kallistos Ware for its excellent explanation of the doctrine of the Trinity. For more of a deep dive, The Exact Exposition of the Orthodox Faith by St. John of Damascus and De Incarnatione by St. Athanasius, if you are able to read Patristic writers; if you struggle in this department, a more recent work is Orthodox Dogmatic Theology by Protopresbyter Michael Pomazansky, memory eternal, translated by Fr. Seraphim Rose, memory eternal; this is the best contemporary work of Orthodox dogmatic theology I have seen.

Hentenza · 2025-11-24T09:50:43-0600

BCP1928 said:
Yes. It's always polite to address a person as he wishes to be addressed.

Unless it shows medical or mental issues.

Strong in Him · 2025-11-24T09:50:22-0600

Apple Sky said:
Hearsay again, there's no physical evidence.

Don't be daft.

A textbook is not hearsay.
A textbook, often, contains references to other scientific works, written by scientists. It might include details of experiments, measurements and photos.
You think all of that is hearsay? Do you even know what the word means?
Hearsay:

information that you have heard but do not know to be true

Warden_of_the_Storm · 2025-11-24T09:49:53-0600

jonojim1337 said:
Google is your friend.

No, you made the claim, you put forward the evidence.

BCP1928 · 2025-11-24T09:49:18-0600

Hentenza said:
Really? Do you really think that nick names fall under the same category?

Yes. It's always polite to address a person as he wishes to be addressed.

jonojim1337 · 2025-11-24T09:48:25-0600

Warden_of_the_Storm said:
What megalithic structures in Siberia?

Google is your friend.

RocksInMyHead · 2025-11-24T09:45:30-0600

ThatRobGuy said:
No, MAGA republicans pretty much have only had one red line and one deal-breaker, that being, you have to worship the ground Trump walks on... They seem to be flexible and fluid on some of the other social issues.

Having defined policy positions is, IMO, a far better base for your political party than sycophancy.

ThatRobGuy said:
Whereas, the Dems will kick you out for reasons including:
"you're not anti-Assad enough and don't support intervening in Ukraine, peace out" (Gabbard)
"you don't share our views on abortion, you're gone" (Dan Lipinski)
"we don't like your vaccine stances, bye bye" (RFK Jr)
"You're not sufficiently pro-LGBT and voted with republicans one too many times, adios muchacho!" (Manchin)
"You didn't go along with the build back better plan, how dare you...hit the bricks sister!" (Sinema)

I think you're grossly oversimplifying at least some of these. RFK and Gabbard revealed themselves to be nuts. Lipinski was extremely socially conservative - anti-abortion, anti-LGBT, voted against the ACA - and got primaried. Manchin and Sinema decided to be policy roadblocks while Democrats held a very narrow majority.

ThatRobGuy said:
Meanwhile, on the inverse:
GOP still have several hawks who support intervening in Ukraine, several pro-choice people, a mix of pro and anti vaccine types, dozens in congress and senate who support gay marriage... none of which have been ran out of town with pitchforks for those positions.

And what happens when Trump is out of the picture? What will be the unifying factor for Republicans without their messiah?

Hentenza · 2025-11-24T09:45:27-0600

BCP1928 said:
I never saw what the big deal is about that. Do you know of anyone who was actually fired for using unpreferred pronouns in other than a confrontational manner?

Read about them in the news.

Akita Suggagaki · 2025-11-24T09:45:05-0600

The usual try to tell us we need them et least once a month. No thanks.

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