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Reluctant Theologian · 2025-11-11T22:47:12-0600

ChubbyCherub said:
Thank you very much.

They have not addressed Paul's comments re: Ephesus rather his at Corinth. They stated that Paul is not suggesting that women need to be quiet, submit or not have leadership or ministry roles in church but that it was contextual for the time and place Paul was instructing in Corinth.

Specifically, women in Corinth were leaders/owners of brothels and were used to positions of power within society and at home as they were the financial heads of the families. As a result, they were raucous at church which Paul felt was distracting and didn't allow for people to hear the message that was intended, hence, a set of societal rules laid out to assist a very specific situation.

They stated that Paul's words are misrepresented and misinterpreted because the verses are read out of context instead of read as a whole. I read the bible and didn't see where the information re: woman's job roles, financial status etc came from so was put into a position where I had to instruct the family to just 'trust' what was being taught at church. But, they are very educated and so this was not sufficient for them hence the quest for further information.

Regarding Pauls letter to Timothy re: Ephesus, I have not yet addressed this with my church given that we now see that Paul says the same about Ephesus and there is not an explanation regarding why the women, or exactly how the women, were behaving in whatever way initiated Pauls comments. I might possibly ask them but I have asked them so many things already and, much like this forum, I have to allow people to keep up with all the questions I fire off!

Many thanks!

The pattern in Paul's letters is that the trigger/reason to write about a certain subject may be a concerning situation in that specific church/fellowship, but the instructions for Christian conduct are universal, unless explicitly stated otherwise.

E.g. in 1 Corinthians 5 Paul discusses a serious case of immorality occurring in that church; how to deal with such a case and how to uphold standards of holiness is universal. In the TNK/OT God gave varying instructions to the Israelites on how to deal with the nations to Joshua, but how to behave once they conquered and inherited the land was universal.

So the reason why Paul addresses head-covering in 1st Corinthians is likely because an issue with that had arisen (possibly women removing their head-covering), yet the instruction on how to pray/prophesy would be expected to be universal. This pattern can be noticed in e.g. 1 Corinthians 14:34–35: the background/trigger is expected to be a local issue at that time, but Paul highlights the alignment of his instruction with Torah (=the Law) as universal guideline.

E.g. when some masters treated their slaves badly this could have been a reason to admonish the masters to the treat their slaves well, but it's nonsensical to suggest the instruction for proper conduct for a master or slave is ONLY for that local church with that issue.

Yet since the 1960's with the rise of Feminism and consequently the push for egalitarian theology (removing remnants of Patriarchy) we see exactly that. Unique exceptional alleged circumstances in the addressed churches are presented to argue that Paul's instructions on marriage, women in churches or even homosexuality are ONLY applicable to the local unique situation; basically neutralising their universal applicability. There are a few problems with this approach:

Paul's text itself does not give any clues that the instructions for model behaviour or local-only
it ignores the fact Paul gives general theological arguments that are time/culture independent (this includes the Torah reference, but also creation order, deception order, etc.)
it doesn't work for 1 Peter as this is not addressed to a particular church - yet its message is identical to Paul's on the issue of marriage/women's role
the very fact the entire Christian church throughout history had a fairly unanimous view, but all of a sudden under influence of (secular) Feminism since the 1960's the rising pressure for 're-interpretation' to make the Bible compatible with 20-21 st century Western values should be a red flag.

To make practised homosexuality acceptable in churches nowadays a similar argument is applied: in those days there were no committed loving relationships between men, so Paul's prohibitions (fully in line with Torah) of course ONLY would apply to non-committed casual relationships/hook-ups, so Paul certainly would approve of those committed loving homosexual relationships today. This approach conveniently makes an assumption not present in the text itself in a desperate effort to neutralise the principe already present in Torah.

Suffice to say I find these approaches highly speculative and dependent on conjecture - wishful thinking to suit a particular (new) agenda.

You mention 'women in Corinth were leaders/owners of brothels and were used to positions of power within society and at home as they were the financial heads of the families.' ... I would submit that is highly unlikely to be true for that church as a substantial part of the Corinthian church were Jews who practised their religion as such previously (you can find clues for that in the text of 1 Corinthians).

Yes, Yeshua was revolutionary in that he encourages women to follow Him, to listen to His teaching (Mary), to speak privately with a woman (the woman at the well in Samaria) - and Paul presumes women are praying and prophesying - the Holy Spirit is poured out on all; yet it's not a cultural conformist move by Yeshua to ONLY appoint males as the 12 - that's intentional.

E.g. great effort is made by egalitarians to try to argue that in 1 Timothy 2:12 Paul doesn't really mean women shouldn't have 'authority' over men, but only 'should not usurp/seize authority from men'. I.e. so supposedly when a bishop/elder gives that authority to a woman she is completely fine wielding authority over men. But this overlooks the very first part of that verse that also says a woman should not teach a man; and the verse before that were Paul instructs Timothy a woman should learn 'in subjection', and the verse after that (v 13) where a universal creation order argument is used, and the fact Timonthy's task was to set-up organise several churches and v. 8 clearly has a universal nature ... Egalitarian reading makes a complete mess of this section.

The Bible in both TNK/OT and NT is Patriarchal, but divine love takes the sting and strive out of that - as it does for master/slave relationships or those between parents and children.

Be blessed sister - and welcome to correct me in case you detect an error in my thinking !

Dan Perez · 2025-11-11T22:38:21-0600

Soyeong said:
Paul spoke about multiple categories of law other than the Law of Moses, so it is always important to discern which law he was referring to. For example, in Romans 7-8, Paul said that the Law of God is good, that he wanted to do good, that he delighted in obeying it, and that he served it with his mind in contrast with the law of sin, which was working within his members to cause him not to do the good that he wanted to do, which was waging war against the law of his mind, which he served with his flesh, which held him captive, and which the Law of the Spirit as free us from. The Law of God leads us to do what is godly, righteous, and good (Romans 7:12) while the law of sin leads us in the opposite direction by stirring up sinful passions in order to bear fruit unto death (Romans 7:5). So verses that refer something that would be absurd for Paul to delight in doing should not be interpreted as referring to the Law of God while verses that refer to a law that is sinful, that causes sin to increase, or that hinders us from obeying the Law of God shouldbe interpreted as referring to the law of sin. For example, Paul described the law that we are not under in Romans 6:14 as being a law where sin had dominion over him and it would be absurd for Paul to delight in sin having dominion over him, but rather that is the role of the law of sin. In Roman 6:15, being under grace does not mean that we are permitted to sin, and in Romans 7:7, the Law of God is not sinful but how we know what sin is, so we are still under it. Moreover, everything else in Romans 6 speaks in favor of obedience to the Law of God and against sin.

The bottom line is that we must obey God rather than man, so if you think that Paul should be interpreted as promoting rebellion against what God has commanded, then you should be quicker to disregard everything that he said than to disregard anything that God has commanded. In Deuteronomy 13, the way that God instructed to determine that someone is a false prophet who is not speaking for Him is if they speak against obeying His law, so it is either incorrect to interpret Paul as doing that or he was a false prophet, but either way followers of Christ should be followers of his example of obedience to the Law of God. The reality is that Paul was a servant of God who therefore never promoted rebellion against what He has commanded.

In Psalms 119:29-30, he wanted to put false ways far from him, for God to be gracious to him by teaching him to obey His law, and he chose the way of faith by setting it before him, so this has always been the one and only way of salvation by grace through faith alone.

No where I stand , and check out ESE 36 :25-38. B!!

Then n n read EZE 37:1-15

Then. read EZE. 37:15-22 AND Israel has ONE STICK and JUDAH. will have ONE STICK. and Christ will. those

two STICKS become ONE STICH. and Israel then. become ONE STICK. and one again become ONE NATION !!

And will like your REPLY. !!

dan p

A2SG · 2025-11-11T22:30:36-0600

Aryeh Jay said:
I'm not talking about the handful of want to be Republican Senators, no, I am referring to the 6,265,888 people who couldn't remember they voted against Trump in 2020. I guess that episode of Matlock or Dancing with the Stars was just too important for them. They deserve everything that their lack of civic duty gives us.

Come on, be fair. The new Matlock show with Kathy Bates is pretty good.

-- A2SG, can't speak to DWTS though.....

A2SG · 2025-11-11T22:28:26-0600

Servus said:
The Heritage Foundation criticizes the Affordable Care Act (ACA) for increasing health insurance premiums, limiting choices, and making insurance more expensive, particularly in the individual market. They argue that the law's regulations and mandates have caused sticker shock and pushed more Americans onto government-run health programs. Additionally, the Heritage Foundation contends that the ACA restricts market competition by preventing insurance sales across state lines and limiting options like health savings accounts.

Specific criticisms include:

Increased costs: The Foundation claims that ACA regulations led to a significant increase in average monthly premiums, which more than doubled in many states between 2013 and 2019.

Reduced choice: The ACA is criticized for limiting health plan options and restricting physician networks, despite the creation of insurance exchanges.

Government expansion: The Heritage Foundation argues that the ACA has made more Americans dependent on government-run health programs.

Stifled competition: The law is seen as preventing the free market from lowering costs through measures like selling insurance across state lines, which is a restriction they say the ACA did not allow.

Flawed design: The Foundation believes the ACA's problems are due to its fundamental design, including excessive subsidies, mandates, and rating rules that increase costs. - Google

Yup, and I agree with a lot of that. I wasn't particularly happy when Mitt Romney implemented a similar plan here in Massachusetts, though there were differences that I did think were good ideas. On the whole, I've always favored a single payer plan over one that relies, in fact depends, on private health insurance.

One wonders if the Heritage Foundation had such problems with the plan, why did they suggest it in the first place (including the mandate, by the way), and why did the GOP champion it before President Obama and democrats decided to use it?

But, I will grant that the ACA was an improvement over what was in place before, specifically regarding regulations like insurers not being able to just cancel insurance policies once the health care needs of the insured were too expensive, and denying coverage due to preexisting conditions. I saw it as a start, something to build on. Instead, comprehensive improvements never came and, despite GOP attempts to repeal it, no plan has been proposed to replace it. Certainly nothing from the Republican side of the aisle. So we're stuck with it. We can either work to improve it (not hamper it), or we can scrap it, and go with a single payer plan, which would be much more comprehensive and more cost effective.

-- A2SG, not taking bets on the direction we'll wind up going in....

Dan Perez · 2025-11-11T22:23:20-0600

Carl Emerson said:
Are you guys suggesting that the New Covenant with better promises is not for the Body of Christ ?

Heb 8

...we have such a high priest, who has taken His seat at the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in the heavens,
2 a minister in the sanctuary and in the true tabernacle, which the Lord set up, not man.
3 For every high priest is appointed to offer both gifts and sacrifices; so it is necessary that this high priest also have something to offer.
4 Now if He were on earth, He would not be a priest at all, since there are those who offer the gifts according to the Law;
5 who serve a copy and shadow of the heavenly things, just as Moses was warned by God when he was about to erect the tabernacle; for, “See,” He says, “that you make all things by the pattern which was shown to you on the mountain.”
6 But now He has obtained a more excellent ministry, to the extent that He is also the mediator of a better covenant, which has been enacted on better promises.
7 For if that first covenant had been free of fault, no circumstances would have been sought for a second.

And CONTEXT is NUMBER # 1 , YES !!

OR , CONTEXT does not MATTER is # 2. !!

Which is TRUE. ?? # 1 or #.2. !!

dan p

bob121 · 2025-11-11T22:18:13-0600

Maria Billingsley said:
Actually, this may be disappointing, I know I am in God's presence when His Holy Spirit convicts me of sin and I repent from that sin. Pretty powerful when I refuse to go back to that sin. Certainly the will power is not only my doing !
Blessings

Maria Billingsley, that’s the purest worship moment I can imagine—when the Spirit turns the spotlight inward, the knee bows, and grace says, “You’re forgiven—now walk free.”
No organ swell, no stained glass, just conviction → repentance → peace.
Thanks for the honesty; it reminds me the sanctuary is first the heart, then the building.
May that refusal-to-return strength keep multiplying in you—and in me too.

Reginald Taylor Jr · 2025-11-11T22:17:38-0600

November 9, 2025 Acts 15:1-12 KJV

My Interpetation I Acts 15:1-3 KJV I Worship God The message of joy recieved God is Father and only God to believe that does miracles. Acts 15:1-12 My Interpetation I Worship God that is Holy , To Believe in Chist in repentance forgiveness of sins. I Worship God of baptism and the Lords supper giving to the church -used a rituals. I Worship God that allows me to have a life of Christian living and practices that gives me unity in God. III vv7-12 My Interpetation I worship God that gives us the Holy Spirit to see ,hear discern God and make decisions example yes or no. I Worship God that allows me to give my life to God for people to listen Lamentations 3:27 KJV.

bob121 · 2025-11-11T22:17:30-0600

ViaCrucis said:
This probably isn't the best board for this topic. This is Ethics and Morality, and also your post seems specifically addressed to Christians. You'd get better traction on one of the Christians-only boards focused on life experiences.

On the assumption that mods move this thread somewhere else and this conversation continues, my answer is that I feel like I've experienced something like that in a lot of very different circumstances. But the most consistent is when during the Divine Service the Words of Institution are spoken over the bread and the wine, and as we come forward to receive from the Altar the flesh and blood of Christ I am immediately aware that I am standing on holy ground, I am entering into the Holy of Holies where God offers the gift of Himself, the Incarnate Son of God is present, giving Himself, on the Altar in, with, and under the bread and wine. I am present and in union with all faithful Christians throughout history, as Christ's Body receiving Christ's Body, present at Mt Calvary; Mt. Cavalry present here and now, at this simple offering of bread and wine.

ViaCrucis, thank you for painting the altar-side scene—“Mt. Calvary present here and now” is exactly the kind of threshold moment I was hoping to collect.
I’ll happily let the mods shuffle the thread if they wish; in the meantime, keep the pictures coming, everyone—sounds, smells, sights, or silent heart-flips that tell you, “I’m on holy ground.”

Multifavs · 2025-11-11T22:16:49-0600

GodAndChocolateVanilla said:
I have not posted in this thread in a while....

But now I am!!

I might read my old posts tonight..

Good to see you posting in this thread again!

It's been a long time since I've posted here too!

I hope everyone's been doing well!

Yusuphhai · 2025-11-11T22:15:58-0600

languages need not clean and be cleaned？

essentialsaltes · 2025-11-11T22:15:23-0600

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bob121 · 2025-11-11T22:14:14-0600

Maria Billingsley said:
Actually, this may be disappointing, I know I am in God's presence when His Holy Spirit convicts me of sin and I repent from that sin. Pretty powerful when I refuse to go back to that sin. Certainly the will power is not only my doing !
Blessings

essentialsaltes · 2025-11-11T22:12:16-0600

Trump Says US ‘Lacks Talent' For Critical Jobs, Defends H-1B Visa For Foreign Workers

US President Donald Trump defended the H-1B visa programme, saying the United States “doesn’t have the talent" needed to fill critical jobs domestically. In an interview with Fox News, Donald Trump was asked if his administration planned to cut back on H-1B visas amid concerns that the programme depresses wages for American workers.

“I agree- but you also do have to bring in talent," Donald Trump said, rejecting the notion that the US already has enough skilled people.

When host Laura Ingraham countered, “We have plenty of talented people here," Donald Trump interjected, “No, you don’t, no you don’t … You don’t have certain talents, and people have to learn. You can’t take people off an unemployment line and say, ‘I’m going to put you into a factory where we’re going to make missiles.’"

bbbbbbb · 2025-11-11T22:00:53-0600

home fries

Dan Perez · 2025-11-11T22:00:48-0600

BelieveItOarKnot said:
What don't you accept from Luke???

It may surprise you that there are several dozen various ways to be saved including Romans 10:9-10 and giving a cup of water salvation.

Kinda cool loosening the nooses of the tunnel vision crowd

And give. the verses and you says that there are SEVERAL DOZENS ways to be SAVED , so lets see dozens of ways

Paul. says we can be SAVED !!

MAYBE DOZENS OF WAYS to be SAVED under THE OLD COVENANT ??

Maybe DOZENS of ways under the NEW COVENMAT ??

And I know. that there are NOT DOZENS of Ways , so just ONE WAY for EACH WILL DO. !!

Will show where BORN OF GOD IN JOHN 3:5 FITS. IN ??

And where John 3:3. fits in. !!

dan p

ViaCrucis · 2025-11-11T21:58:06-0600

This probably isn't the best board for this topic. This is Ethics and Morality, and also your post seems specifically addressed to Christians. You'd get better traction on one of the Christians-only boards focused on life experiences.

On the assumption that mods move this thread somewhere else and this conversation continues, my answer is that I feel like I've experienced something like that in a lot of very different circumstances. But the most consistent is when during the Divine Service the Words of Institution are spoken over the bread and the wine, and as we come forward to receive from the Altar the flesh and blood of Christ I am immediately aware that I am standing on holy ground, I am entering into the Holy of Holies where God offers the gift of Himself, the Incarnate Son of God is present, giving Himself, on the Altar in, with, and under the bread and wine. I am present and in union with all faithful Christians throughout history, as Christ's Body receiving Christ's Body, present at Mt Calvary; Mt. Cavalry present here and now, at this simple offering of bread and wine.

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RabbiJames · 2025-11-11T21:55:46-0600

2 KINGS 4:1-37

Here, Elisha Ha Navi (the Prophet) ministers to a Shunamite woman, as some prophets had a public ministry, Elisha had more of a private ministry, ministering to individuals more than to the general public as a whole. Yeshua did both; he ministered to the sick, the hurting, and the poor, and also preached to the public in synagogues.

The first case involves a Shunamite woman whose husband (now dead) was one of the “B’nei HaNeviim” (sons of the Prophets). It wasn’t that he was a biological son of one of the prophets, but a Torah student of the “School of the Prophets”. Today we have Bible institutes, back then, you had the “schools of the prophets.” The prophets who were called by G-d instructed those interested in learning the Words of God written in the Torah, from Adam and Eve up to those present times. Guess you could say kind of “history classes” and lessons to be learned from those “histories”.

The Shunamite woman tells or “cries out” (Tza-a-kah) to Elisha and tells him her problem. The Hebrew word “Tza-a-kah” denotes a “cry for legal assistance” similar to “Tzedakah’ (charity). Her husband owed money to a creditor, now dead; the debt was not cancelled, it was still effective. In those days, if one could not pay a debt, a son or daughter could be taken as a slave or servant and “work off the debt.” So, Elisha tests the woman’s faith with the following words;

“What can I do for you? What do you have in the house?”

In this case, the Shunamite woman needed a financial miracle. She had only one pot of olive oil. The woman asked for pots from her neighbors, then received the oil in abundance. Many times, when we look for miracles, we extend a blessing to another, and then, we receive from God; it just works that way at times. In the case of the Shunamite woman, just a little bit of olive oil in a pot went a long way.

We can look at this in another way from the derashic level. We are all “Vessels” or “pots” in the service of Adonai. The oil can symbolize the Holy Spirit. We can ask for more oil, and more oil will be given. We work together to further the Kingdom of God, we are like many vessels with oil, all working the further the Kingdom through our diverse spiritual gifts. When we work together, miracles can happen, healings take place, debts get paid, all through the power of Adonai; we are just “his faithful vessels with oil.”

The other case involved another woman and her husband from the same place, called Shunem. The husband and wife offered Elisha a meal and a place to stay when he visited. That was a great mitzvah. The couple was blessed with a child. One blessing often brings on another. Yet the child perhaps had a heat stroke and died. Because scripture says that the boy went out to the field and cried out, “My head, my head.”

Elisha and his servant are called, and they come to the family’s aid. Elisha places his staff on the boy’s face, then he places his own body on the boy’s body, and the boy is resurrected. We might ask why that procedure? What is the meaning of the staff on the face? The body of the prophet on top of the body of the dead boy? One can only guess. One thing is that a “Staff” (Mateh) symbolizes authority. The face is part of the head, and it was in the head that the ailment occurred, be it a heat-stroke or cerebral hemorrhage, or a blood clot.

Elisha represented Adonai, so it was like Adonai bringing the boy back to life, but in the body of Elisha. Did not Peter and Paul do the same thing? They brought the dead back to life as well. When Elisha’s body was spread out on top of the boy’s, it could also symbolize our Messiah Yeshua’s spread out body on Calvary’s cross. His death meant our lives. In this case, Elisha perhaps “Breathed” into the boy’s mouth since his mouth was on the boy’s mouth, his eyes on the boy’s eyes.

As Elohim “breathed the breath of life” (Neshmat chayiim) into the body of Adam, the Shunamite’s son was also “filled with life again” The son sneezed “seven times.” “7” is the perfect number.

MATT 6:1-7:29

The Talmid Matityahu (Matthew) writes about different themes. One of the themes is that of prayer: “DO not pray/repeat vain repetitions.” We often wonder what this means.

Many people memorize prayers and “recite them” over and over again. It becomes routine, and the danger in this is that one can pray “like a machine” and really not understand or meditate on the meaning of the prayer itself. Then, the prayer becomes just plain words. A parrot can learn to speak, repeat things, but it doesn’t understand what it is saying. Are we like parrots or souls created in the image of Elohim?

In Judaism, many prayers are part of the prayer books. It isn’t bad to learn them and repeat them, only “understand” what the words mean and how they relate to our God. Then, when we pray the morning and evening prayers, we can meditate on what these words are really saying, so that they do not become just “vain repetitions”.

Here we have the LORD’s prayer. It is not meant to be something we just memorize and repeat like we do many times with prayers. This prayer is something to meditate on, and let the meaning penetrate our souls.

“Aveinu BaShamayim” “Our father who is in the heavens” Who has the right to call God, “Our Father” but only those who are members of his family. All of humanity is God’s “creation,” and he is humanity’s “creator,” but only to born-again believers, he is “Father.”

“Kadosh Shmo” (sanctified be his name) HIS name is YHVH (Yod, Hey, Vav, Hey), which comes from HAVAYA (to exist) he is “Haya” (past) “Hoveh” (present), and “Yiyah” (future). And his name is indeed “Kadosh” (Holy). Contrary to popular belief, the Torah does not prohibit one from using it; on the contrary, the Word of God says, “Call upon the NAME of the LORD!”

“Thy kingdom come, thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven.” The “kingdom of Heaven” is HIS activity on earth, so it is already here. It has been here since Genesis 1:1. It is here and manifests itself in the midst of his believers, churches, synagogues, congregations, bible study groups, etc. There is a “coming” political kingdom and a literal “New Jerusalem” which will appear on earth someday in the future, and what a time that will be.

“Give our bread continually”. Our “daily bread” does not consist only of literal food, but ALL of our basic needs. YHVH is a loving God and many times gives us even our “wants”. He will do this “continually”, I have seen this many times in my life, when I just “think” of things I need, all of a sudden, I get them, many times for free.

“Forgive us our sins as we forgive those who sin against us.” Many times, we commit sins against God, and yes, we want Him to forgive us, but what about people who have committed offenses against us? Are we holding grudges against them? If so, how then can we expect forgiveness for our sins? Our sins against our Holy God are greater. We must learn to forgive those around us. At times, it is hard, but it is a “command!” When it can’t come from the flesh, it must come from the spirit.

“Do not lead us into the power of temptation, but keep us from all evil…amen.” What is the “power” of temptation? It is succumbing to the power of HaSatan. Remember that just because we are “b’nei Melech” (children of the King) does not mean that we are free from being tempted. Everyone on this earth has been tempted, even our LORD and Messiah. This is part of testing; we can be tempted, but that does not mean that we will give in to the temptation and commit sin. It is OUR choice, the very last word is “Amen” which comes from “Amun” which is “to say something true” so, when we say “amen” it is “so be it, as it is truth from God” (this was taken from a Primitive Hebrew text, as the first “LORD’s prayer was written in Hebrew) there is also an Aramaic rendition of the LORD’s prayer, look it up on “YouTube”

2 PETER 2:4-11

Kefa (Peter) reminds the reader that just as we serve a God of love and forgiveness, the same God, Adonai-Elohim-Yeshuah, is a God of wrath and vengeance, a jealous God. A God who punishes the unrepentant wicked. He gives the examples of the fallen angels who went into human women, thus causing mutant genetic offspring and “Giants.” They are in hell today, as all the wicked souls that did not repent.

We all like to listen to messages involving God’s love, but do not care to listen to the “hell, fire, and brimstone” messages. Such a message was preached on July 7th, 1741, by Jonathan Edwards, and thus brought revival to New England.

Our Heavenly Father is a Father of love, and reaches out to all who will listen, but by no means is an “arm-twister.” He will not force anyone to come to Him. We can accept or reject; the choice is ours.

keras · 2025-11-11T21:54:54-0600

Douggg said:
The spritual Israelites of God (faithful Christian believers) have been blinded until the fullness of the Gentiles (non-Jews) has been completed ?

Plainly; it is the Jews who are blinded.
Also plainly: the Jews are mostly gone after the Lords Day of wrath:

Jeremiah 12:14-16 These are the Words of the Lord: I am against all those evil neighbours who have encroached onto the Land that My Israelite people will inherit. Take note; I will pluck them out from where they are now and also I will pluck out the House of Judah as well. After I have removed them, I will return to have compassion on them, bringing them back to their heritage, if they will diligently learn the Way of My people, to only swear by My Name: the Living God. But if they refuse, then I will completely remove and destroy them.

This Bible passage is extremely informative, it gives the Lord’s plans for three groups of people: -

1/ The evil neighbours; The Islamic nations and entities surrounding Israel. Soon to be cleared out of the entire Middle East region by the terrible Day of the Lord’s wrath by fire from the sun. Psalms 83:1-18, Isaiah 30:25-30, Amos 1:1-11, 2:1-5, Revelation 6:12-17

2/ The House of Judah, the Jewish people, currently inhabiting a part of the holy Land. The same fate as the neighbours, but a remnant will be saved. Isaiah 6:11-13, Zechariah 13:8-9, Romans 9:27

3/ My people; the true Israelites- Overcomers for God, every Christian believer; individuals from every tribe, race, nation and language. Followers of the right Way, Jesus: John 14:6, Revelation 5:9-10, 1 Peter 2:9-10

The story described here, is clear and concise: The Lord is about to solve all the Middle East problems, to a similar degree as how He reset civilization in Noah’s time. All the holy land will be depopulated, Zephaniah 14-18, Hosea 4:3, Jeremiah 10:18, excepting a small remnant of Messianic Jews who will shelter in bunkers in Jerusalem. Isaiah 29:1-4, Romans 9:27

This will allow the gathering and settling of His righteous Christian people into their heritage where they will, at last be the people He always wanted there; a people who will be His witnesses and display His Light to the nations. Isaiah 43:10, John 15:27, Isaiah 49:8, Matthew 5:14-16

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