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CLEEB · 2025-11-29T15:52:22-0600

Freth said:
In context:

Mark 2:27-28 And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath: Therefore the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath.

The very reason Jesus calls Himself Lord of the Sabbath is because the Sabbath was made for man (therefore). Pointing directly to creation and the Sabbath sanctified. Sunday resurrection taking the place of the Sabbath is nowhere to be found anywhere in scripture.

"The early church knew," and took it upon itself to change the law of God (prophesied by Daniel 7:25) and make it of none effect (Matthew 15:1-9).

Jesus settles the issue concerning Sunday, which is a commandment of man not a commandment of God.

Matthew 15:9 But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.

GALATIANS 3:16-18 THIS SCRIPTURE SAYS PLAINLY THAT THE LAW WAS GIVEN 430 YEAR AFTER ABRAHAM AND THE LAW LAW HAD NO EFFECT ON THE COVENANT GOD GAVE TO ABRAHAM. This fellow who says differently is apparently unable to see this. Let him alone, he is not worth the bother.

RocksInMyHead · 2025-11-29T15:49:10-0600

Aryeh Jay said:
The last remnants of the Old Republic are being swept away.

"So this is how the Republic dies - to thunderous applause."

Maria Billingsley · 2025-11-29T15:48:10-0600

Dave... said:
My name is just plain old Dave. I used to post on Christian forums for about eight years when they first became popular in the early two thousands, and then stopped for about ten plus years, until recently when I started posting again. It seems that the character of many of the main forums has changed. I'm guessing that many were sold, which I always thought was inevitable since these were kind of a last stand where Christians could still talk without the 'modern thinking' (to put in mildly) policing us. So I'm looking for a new home.

My views on Scripture have grown, and they they have always been unique in a lot of ways and continue to be so. I've always considered myself reformed, but at the same time, I've always questioned some of the traditional reformed views of Scripture. Recently, many of those questions are being answered and I'm finding myself moving further away from traditional reformed views. Though, foundationally, I still hold to God's sovereignty over all things and continue in those core Biblical beliefs. I'm anxious to bring my understanding of Scripture to productive discussions and see what happens.

Sorry in advance for my dyslexia crippled posts. Sometimes it makes my already hard to understand posts even more difficult to read. I have good days and bad. Looking forward to talking....

Dave

Welcome!

CLEEB · 2025-11-29T15:46:48-0600

Studyman said:
Actually God did, as it has been shown to "Every Creature under heaven", (According to Paul) and it is written down as God Himself inspired, in the Oracles of God that HE has provided for you, in His Mercy and Loving kindness, directly into your own home even now. And Paul said there is no excuse for you or me or Cain or Sodom, " Because that "which may be known of God" is manifest in us; for God hath shewed it unto us." Just as HE showed it to them.

4 For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment; 5 And spared not the old world, but saved Noah the eighth person, a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood upon the world of the ungodly; 6 And turning the cities of Sodom and Gomorrha into ashes condemned them with an overthrow, making them an ensample unto those that after should live ungodly; 7 And delivered just Lot, vexed with the filthy conversation of the wicked: 8 (For that righteous man dwelling among them, in seeing and hearing, vexed his righteous soul from day to day with their "unlawful" deeds

The deceiver would have us believe in the ridiculous and foolish philosophy that "Godliness" in Noah's Time was different than "Godliness" in Moses time. That "Unlawful deeds" in Abraham's Time was different than "Unlawful Deeds" in Moses time.

That somehow Noah was a preacher of Righteousness that didn't include God's Righteousness that the Pharisees refused to submit to..

This is a popular religious philosophy promoted by "many" who call Jesus Lord, Lord. And you can also find this teaching on the internet which some believe is inspired by the Holy Spirit of God. I personally don't believe the Spirit of God dwells in man made machines, but you are free to believe so if you wish, we all have the free will to choose who to believe.

But even a child can see that Abraham was given God's commandments, Statutes, Judgments and Laws, according to what is written. So these can not have been added 430 years after Abraham. But a Priesthood Covenant with Levi, to provide for forgiveness of transgressions "of God's Laws, statute and Judgments", Till the High Priest of God "To whom the promise was made" should come, was most certainly "ADDED" after Abraham given Levi wasn't even born in Abraham's time.

Why did you completely ignore or refuse to even acknowledge this Added "LAW"? Is it because your computer doesn't teach you to live by Every word of God??

First, can you show me a Commandment of God given to Noah before the Ark, that took 120 years to build, was being loaded? You said there were "Noahic Laws" that were later codified by God through Moses. What are the "Laws of Noah" you claim God commanded, and when does God give Noah these Commandments?

There was no commandment enumerated that said "The nakedness of thy father, or the nakedness of thy mother, shalt thou not uncover: she is thy mother; thou shalt not uncover her nakedness."

And yet it is written;

Gen. 9: 22 And Ham, the father of Canaan, saw the nakedness of his father, and told his two brethren without. 23 And Shem and Japheth took a garment, and laid it upon both their shoulders, and went backward, and covered the nakedness of their father; and their faces were backward, and they saw not their father's nakedness.

So where is this "LAW of Noah", Commanded by God and later codified by God through Moses?

Can you show me where God enumerated these Laws to Noah? Or rather, can your computer post where these "7 Commandments" of the "Laws of Noah" were codified into Law during Noah's Time?

It's interesting how Abraham, Moses, the Prophets, Jesus, nor any of the Apostles of Christ made even ONE Mention, anywhere in the entire Bible, about the "Laws of Noah".

Yet you claim your computer does.

What if Paul is actually speaking the truth about God's Laws, being blessed with the Spirit of God, and it's your computer that is leading you astray?

Certainly something to consider.

Abraham was marred to his half sister. Genesis 12:5 According to the law Deuteronomy 27:522 Leviticus 18:9 Leviticus 20:17 Ezekiel 22:11 Abraham also committed adultery with Sarahs handmade to give birth to Ishmael. There were no law of Noah, it’s not in the scriptures. This fellow who says there is has dreamt them up in his own carnal mind. The Ten Commandments and law of Moses were completely unknown to everyone before Moses just as Moses said, but this fellow has like the vast majority does, make things up the defy scripture.

Nithavela · 2025-11-29T15:27:59-0600

Any over/under on when the USA will be officialy at war with Venezuela?

I'll throw in my hat and say "Christmas Eve".

Aryeh Jay · 2025-11-29T15:25:31-0600

RDKirk said:
The initial test was renaming the Department of Defense. That was an explicit salient into the business of another branch of government, but the Congress appeased him. The Congress of the 1970s would not have let a president get away with that, even a president of their own party.

The last remnants of the Old Republic are being swept away.

Perpetual Student · 2025-11-29T15:17:10-0600

Danthemailman said:
Zohran Mamdani Dragged on Twitter/X for Passive Statement About Murder of National Guard Member Sarah Beckstrom | The Gateway Pundit | by Mike LaChance Zohran Mamdani Dragged on Twitter/X for Passive Statement About Murder of National Guard Member Sarah Beckstrom | The Gateway Pundit | by Mike LaChance

Many noticed that the X comment from Zohran Mamdani, the mayor-elect of New York City, in response to the news of Beckstrom’s death, was seriously lacking in some fundamental things.

I’m devastated to learn of the passing of Specialist Sarah Beckstrom, a member of the West Virginia National Guard. She was only twenty years old. As families across the nation come together today to celebrate Thanksgiving, let us take a moment to think of those in West Virginia who have been plunged into unimaginable grief.

He didn’t mention anything about Beckstrom being killed or murdered. He didn’t mention it was allegedly by an Afghan national who yelled, “Allahu Akbar.” He didn’t mention that the police are alleging it was an ambush and are investigating it as possible terrorism. He didn’t mention Staff Sgt. Andrew Wolfe.

Indeed. He didn't mention these. He just expressed his sadness for the loss of a fellow human being and expressed his sympathy for the mourning family.
Somehow this his wrong these days.

Shane R · 2025-11-29T15:11:47-0600

A diorama of Bethlehem or Jerusalem or some mish-mash of the two. I had to set my mug of gluhwein down to snap the picture.

RileyG · 2025-11-29T15:09:37-0600

essentialsaltes said:
Rebel nuns win reprieve in Austrian convent dispute
Three nuns in their 80s who made headlines after fleeing their care home to take back their convent in Austria are being allowed to stay there "until further notice", church officials said Friday.

The story of runaway sisters Rita, 82, Regina, 86, and Bernadette, 88, defying the church hierarchy made headlines across the globe.

Rebel rebel, how could they know?
Three nuns, I love you so!

Awesome!

RileyG · 2025-11-29T15:09:07-0600

Stopped_lurking said:
My question was more like if a trans person "pass" (are seen as the gender they want to present by the general public) are they then entitled to using their preferred pronouns in your view? If yes, that is an argument for medical intervention. If no, why say it is about secondary sex characteristics at all?

Sure why not. I’m not the pronoun police nor a control freak. Simple really.

Christworshiper · 2025-11-29T15:08:16-0600

Michie said:
AI overview:

At her feet, Our Lady of Guadalupe stands on a crescent moon and is supported by a winged angel. The crescent moon is a symbol of vanquishing the Aztec moon god, and the angel with eagle wings is a symbol of the Aztec sun god and the promise of a new era, according to TheCatholicSpirit.com and www.secretsoftheimage.org.

Crescent moon: She stands on a crescent moon, which in Aztec culture symbolized the moon god, Quetzalcoatl. By standing on the moon, she shows she is more powerful than their chief deity.

Angel: An angel with eagle wings holds her up from below. For the Aztecs, the eagle was a sacred bird that symbolized the sun and carried the hearts and blood of sacrificial victims to the gods. This angel, with both youthful and aged features, signifies a messenger who brings true food and a new, victorious message.

I hope this helps! I always liked Our Lady of Guadalupe. Enjoy your new medal and have your priest bless it for you.

Thank you so much and I will get it blessed soon.

RDKirk · 2025-11-29T15:07:27-0600

durangodawood said:
I dont share your faith. I could well see "Secretary Of War" Hegseth applying various pressures to remove "obstructionist" individuals from the process to permit illegal or unconstitutional actions. Blowing up suspected criminal boats comes to mind as just an initial test of how far they could go.

The initial test was renaming the Department of Defense. That was an explicit salient into the business of another branch of government, but the Congress appeased him. The Congress of the 1970s would not have let a president get away with that, even a president of their own party.

RDKirk · 2025-11-29T15:05:18-0600

DaisyDay said:
What would/could the Pentagon do if the order came from the Sec. of Defense and the CIC?

Identify that as a fact.

But as I said before, I severely doubt the Pentagon passed orders worded as such.

Unless--and I wouldn't put this past anyone in uniform if they're angry or frightened enough--they were applying "malicious compliance"--essentially "fragging" the civilian leadership: "Let's write this down exactly the way he said it."

DaisyDay · 2025-11-29T15:00:37-0600

RDKirk said:
As I said, the Pentagon itself should have both feet on the "double tap" accusation because that would be a clear-cut violation of the Law of Armed Conflict at the basic troop level. The Congress should not be involved at the level of figuring out who pulled the trigger...their involvement would come from how the Pentagon resolves that violation of the LOAC (presuming it actually happened). We don't need Congress investigating a problem the Pentagon is already charged by law to investigate.

But to the extent it keeps Congress from discussing the extent of the resolutions they've passed, it delays the resolution of the problem only they can resolve.

What would/could the Pentagon do if the order came from the Sec. of Defense and the CIC?

BPPLEE · 2025-11-29T14:58:41-0600

Oompa Loompa said:
I invite liberals to talk about the "Blackness Pandemic." The University of Minnesota are safe to talk about an imaginary "Whiteness Pandemic," so why can we not talk about a "Blackness Pandemic" here on this forum thread? I will wait. My point is simple, liberals will ignore the "Blackness Pandemic" because it will inflame Black people. So why should they be surprised that CRT and talk about a "Whiteness Pandemic" will inflame white people and perpetuate racial division?

All us ignorant white people are in denial about our own privilege, advantages and how we hold the other races down (as we struggle to pay our bills)

BCP1928 · 2025-11-29T14:53:20-0600

rjs330 said:
Man, if you don't know by now what my answer to the question would be its ra t her hopless. I'm actually surprised you asked the question.

As I remember, it is that while a trans person isn't doing you any harm, using preferred pronouns for a transwoman, say, would be a positive assertion that she is a biological female.

Multifavs · 2025-11-29T14:52:42-0600

It's time to work on my Christmas animation and listen to Christmas music!!

Landon Caeli · 2025-11-29T14:50:31-0600

wing2000 said:
....or blame both. The victim, however is primarily responsible for his or her choices.

In the beginning, I agree. After that, the choice isn't really a choice, in the normal sense, anymore.

Pommer · 2025-11-29T14:46:25-0600

Postvieww said:
Do you mean the one who was fought relentlessly for four years by Trump hating liberals, or the one who said to protest peacefully, or the one who recommended national guard troops for Jan 6 security and was ignored by certain liberals who had another agenda. The implication of your question totally ignores the reality of the situation that day. Yes,Trump was the President at that time but he was not responsible for the capital police person who planted two bombs and went on to work for the CIA. Trump was not responsible for the actions of Comey, Wray and all of the other rogue deep state actors who disgraced their offices and oaths by trying to do the very thing Trump was accused of by so many “over turning an election “. Much has come out and probably more to come about what really was behind Jan 6 and the sham Jan 6 investigative committee. The long standing liberal narrative of that is day is completely devoid of truth.

President Trump was “the ‘real victim’!” on January 6?
I see.

Dan Perez · 2025-11-29T14:45:21-0600

Always in His Presence said:
Yes - that adequately describes "The Apostles of the Lamb" mentioned in Revelation

Rev 21:14 Now the wall of the city had twelve foundations, and on them were the names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb.

Which would be similar to the church being built on the foundation of the Apostles and Prophets - note: same terminology (foundation)

Neither was Paul.

# 1 AND how apostles were chosen. is written in. Acts 1:21. AND 22 . PERIOD

Verse 21 says therefore , it is necessary b of the men having gone with us during all the time in which the Lord Jesus came in

and went. out among us.

verse 22 says having BEGUN. from the BAPTIM. of John. until the DAY. in which. He was TAKEN. UP FROM US

one of these. is to b become with. us a WITNESS of HIS RESURRECTION

and that means that under the LAW NO ONE COULD CHOSEN TO BE AND APOSTLE UNLESS THAT PERSON

WAS A WITNESS OF JESUS RESURRECTION

And in verse 26 show they were CHOSEN

And in. Eph 4:11 and it is Christ who chooses. and HE GAVE // DIDOMI. in. the AORIST TENSE in. the ACTIVE VOICE

in. the SINGULAR

SOME //. HO DEFINITE ARTICLE. in the PLURAL

APOSTLES /. APOSTOLOS. just means a Messenger

And PROPHETS. , EVANGELISTS , PASTORS. AND TEACHERS

Christ chooses and not a church !!

AND was a called from his mothers womb and in Rom 1 :1 a called APOSTLE. and SEPARATED. //. APHORIZO

and that Greek word means LIMITED TO PREACH. the GOSPEL of GRACE !!

dan p

BCP1928 · 2025-11-29T14:44:19-0600

durangodawood said:
I dont share your faith. I could well see "Secretary Of War" Hegseth applying various pressures to remove "obstructionist" individuals from the process to permit illegal or unconstitutional actions. Blowing up suspected criminal boats comes to mind as just an initial test of how far they could go.

He could go further--he could machine gun the survivors in the water.

Truth7t7 · 2025-11-29T14:44:06-0600

DaisyDay said:
Removing competent people who may disagree with you is better known as purging. It is ultimately self-defeating.

It was no secret, Donald J. Trump ran his 2024 election based upon cleaning house, and he's standing on his promise to his constituent base, it's that simple

MAGA Vance/Trump 2028

DaisyDay · 2025-11-29T14:43:46-0600

My guess is that someone(s) in the current administration is doing major signing with the autopen as Trump traditionally accuses others of his own misdoings.

BCP1928 · 2025-11-29T14:42:12-0600

DaisyDay said:
If the allegations of the second strike on the Venezuelan boat is true, ie that Hegseth ordered, "Kill them all", then some service members do need the message.

I'm wondering now if that's not what was behind it.

wing2000 · 2025-11-29T14:42:02-0600

Landon Caeli said:
That's impossible.

Instead of blaming the victim, you should be blaming the source.

....or blame both. The victim, however is primarily responsible for his or her choices.

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