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You put your foot in your mouth on so many occasions you should audition for the role of the Joker in the next Batman movie as no mouth prosthetic would be necessary.It really doesn't matter because they all came to the same findings. They actually reinforced each others findings. If there was any doubt on the method then it was dispelled when they found the same precision and matched. They all tested Olgas vases (imprecise), and the OG vase (precise) and they all came to the same conclusions.
Are they all lying. Forget about all the fixation on specific methods. They clearly state in words that the findings of their tests (methods) show the predynastic vases as precise and on par with modern machining such as lathing.
Based on the plate layout inspection performed, we recognize that the manufacturing precision of the six ancient granite vessels is comparable in accuracy to modern processes such as CNC lathe turning, exhibited in the modern control vessel.
Are they lying. Or are misrepresenting the vases. According to you if they did not do ample testing or they did faulty testing they could not justify such a statement.
So are they lying.
"verse 35 is a transition verse, then we get the Anti-Christ in verses 36-45."It is not about all Believers, its only about Israel, they always Conquered Israel and the Mediterranean Sea Region and thus the last Beast (a man who is the President of the E.U.) will thus only conquer Israel and THE MANY (The Mediterranean Sea Region nations who are all currently in 7 year cycled agreements with the E.U. under the guise of the European Neighborhood Policy. But the Dan. 9:27 Agreement only kicks in when Israel join the E.U. thus the Dan. 11:40-43 conquering is end time events only.
P.S. I agree, you have to DECODE the Book of Revelation (BoR) with the Old Testament.
Dan. 11:40-43 is End Time Events. NOTICE, he can not conquer Edom, Ammon nor Moab where Israel flee Judea unto in Rev. 12 and as told elsewhere. I have done an Exegesis on Dan. 11 & 12 where I explain every vs. in detail and name all the players. Verses 28-31 proves that Antiochus is only about verses 21-33-34, verse 35 is a transition verse, then we get the Anti-Christ in verses 36-45.
28 Then shall he(Antiochus) return into his land with great riches; and his heart shall be against the holy covenant(kills 60-90k Jews); and he shall do exploits, and return to his own land.
29 At the time appointed he shall return, and come toward the south(Egypt/Alexandria) but it shall not be as the former, or as the latter. (KEY.....Notice where the story goes here, we are told Antiochus tries to retake Egypt, but the Roman Senator drew a circle around him and dared him, so he never came against Egypt again, thus this effort by him was not as THE FORMER where he went to Egypt and ruled, nor as the LATER in verses 40-43 where the Little Horn/Anti-Christ Conquers Turkey/Seleucus and Egypt/Ptolemy, this time he will not be able to conquer Egypt, Rome would not allow it. Shortly thereafter Antiochus died from a disease on the Eastern Front or WITHOUT HANDS just like the AC will.)
30 For the ships of Chittim(Rome came from an Island named Cypress) shall come against him: therefore he shall be grieved, and return, and have indignation against the holy covenant: so shall he do; he shall even return, and have intelligence with them that forsake the holy covenant. 31 And arms shall stand on his part, and they shall pollute the sanctuary of strength, and shall take away the daily sacrifice, and they shall place the abomination that maketh desolate.
So, basically, he had half the Jews on his side, Jason was a Jew whose real name was Yeshua, he bribed Antiochus to become the High Priest, having his pious High Priest brother Onias III killed. He welcomed Antiochus into the temple to sacrifice a pig unto Zeus, he mandated that all Jews become Hellenized which led to the Maccabean Revolt. Thus he was the Archetype False Prophet, under the Archetype Anti-Christ, thus we know the End Time False Prophet will be a Jewish High Priest and the End Time Little Horn/AC will be a Greek Born man who is over Old Rome or Rome Reunited or the E.U. and Greek is in the E.U.
None of this is correct. The dates are not even from Nebuchadnezzar, notice if so it would have been over 600 years until Jesus' death. The 70 Weeks Decree starts when God sets Israel free and 7 times (X) their sins because of their disobedience. This it starts with Daniel's 70 weeks Prophecy, it goes for 483 years until Jesus dies then God pauses Israel 70th week judgment because He deserts them for nigh 2000 years and takes the mantle away from them and gives it unto the Gentiles (Church Age) and only when the Fulness of the Gentiles comes in (our mission is complete on taking the Gospel unto the whole world) will God call Israel back unto Repentance, as the 70th week starts up, as the Church is Raptured Pre Trib.
I have to get back later, I am getting page unresponsive ever 5 seconds, al these adds I guess.
You are one confused individual instead of making the case of not engaging in logical fallacies you have reinforced them.Its easy to point out logical fallacies. Like ad hominems. The posts have been over half fixated on the sources and people involved. Thats an obvious fallacious arguement that attacks the credibility of the researchers.
When over half the thread is on ad hominems its not a false accusation. Its beyong justified and into fixation because they want to discredit the sources to discredit the findings.
When someone calls an expert in engineering and precision tool with over 50 years of experience a whacko and doesn't know what he is doing in the very industry they specialise in thats an obvious ad hominem. When someone else automatically calls PHD level specialist as ameteurs you know its a fallacy and unjustified.
Do you really want me to go back and point out the utter trash talk that as been directed at these researchers and myself. I think you will find I am correct.
So no they are not false accusations and your claim is itself a false accusation lol.
This is itself a fallacy and misrepresentation. The skeptics concerns about the sources and researchers is a valid one. But what is happening here is beyond valid and into a witch hunt lol.
When posters call people like Dunn a whacko and doing psuedoscience but in reality he is probably one of the best experts to do these kinds of tests you know its biased and unjustified attacks. When posters automatically call these researchers ameteurs you know its biased.
This would not happen in any formal response. Unlike a social media site where people can get away with such blanatant personal attacks on people. I could go back if you want and show you all the attacks. Even on the first page before the actual content was discussed it was all relegated to whackery lol. Clear bias.
Except Steve is pointing to the actual experts who have actually done the work and at least put it online open for you and others to challenged. But not on some social media site. If you think they are wrong then write up an article, do the tests, make an appointment at the Petrie museum and retest the vases.
I have several experts who clearly state these vases are in the precise class. Are they lying.
And you wander why you are the victim of perceived trash talk when you create the very conditions given I have answered your question on numerous occasions.You seem to keep avaoiding this question. Its a simpl;e question.
Was a lathe used and are the researchers lying when they say these vases are precise and on par with mordern machining. Did they fake the lathing marks in the vases.
Thanks Homer.Which has exactly what to do with any of this?
Now, I'm going to turn this over to my friend Homer from Sector 7-G:
Homer: It's pronounced "nuc-u-ler"
Thanks, Homer.
Man all this conflation. First you whinge these are not archeologists and now your whinging about them not being good metrologists. You will whinge about everything no matter what qualifications. Your aim is to discredit from the get go lol.Measuring what? What is his metrology expertise?
Here we go again. Any alternative ideas are relegated to whackery. Your only proving my point. Plus the point was that Max understands instrumentation and testing methods at that level. So basic metrology is well within his abilities. He has all the equipment so its been part of his research for years. He has taught this at Penn State for years. He's a scientists who does good scientific work so stop trying to discredit him.,Cold fusion? Oh brother. Cold fusion was an error made by a couple of physical chemists. Any working on "cold fusion" after 1995 is chasing nonsense.
What. Its obvious I think. First engineering which relates to measurement and design of physical objects. Computer science speaks for itself. As the metrology is now done in ditigal then expertise in digital applications of the hard data to properly reflect the physical environment.Why? What does "Computer Engineering Science" (sic) have to do with scanning things? Please explain.
No, no, don't misunderstand.Hmm…. Sounds a bit judgmental.
If that was your intention in your post, to judge me, then you are in no place to because you are not perfect either.
I agree part 1 doesn't apply.Clearly not the case.
I disagree. When citizens are attacking agents attempting to stop them form doing their jobs and are attacking federal buildings where agents are located, surrounding agents and attempting to prevent them from doing their jobs thats rebellion.Also clearly not the case.
They are able to arrest people, but that doesn't mean they are able to arrest everyone they are trying to. There are areas in Chicago where people are preventing them from executing their authority. Those stories need to be told. I've seen plenty of videos from the people themselves and their testimonies of how rhey have chased ICE off and prevented them from doing their job.Also clearly not the case - ICE is still arresting people and deporting them.
Wish i could make it simpler.Those posts redefine the phrase “wall of text”.
How do you expect other posters to interact with something that is thousands of words long ?
Well, nothing in there about the RCC so you started on the wrong foot right off.I can already guess where this is going, I have seen it 1000s of time, I will play along but lets just say this looks like the old RCC is the Boggy Man thread.
The Seals are NOTHING, and also nothing that happens after Rev. 2 and 3 (The Church Age) can be a part of anything other than the 70th week. What do I mean by the Seals are NOTHING? Well, they were never meant to be understood as Judgments, but instead to show unto the world/church that God has all of the Judgments SEALED UP until His Wrath falls, but that only starts in Rev. 8, that is why the 7th Seal is in Rev 8 and not in Rev. 6. Look at it like this.
It must flow, Rev. 2 and 3 is the Church Age (THE THINGS WHICH ARE) and everything after Rev. 4:1 is the 70th week HEREAFTER (The Thins which will be Hereafter) And as we can see the Pre Trib. Raptured Church is in heaven in Rev. 4, 5 and 7, BEFORE the Seals are ever opened. But how is it that the Seals are not Wrath, how do we explain Seals 1-5 and Seal #6 then? The Seals are Jesus FORETELLING the Church in Heaven what is about to befall the earth via his Wrath, and the Anti-Christ is a part of God's Wrath as Isaiah 10:4-6 says. Thus Jesus/Angels tells the Church to COME AND SEE, COME AND SEE (it is a vision of the future). In Seals 1-5 We are shown the 42 months of the Anti-Christs life, he will 1.) conquer 2.) Bring Wars 3.) Which will bring Famine 4.) And his 42 months of rule will bring Sickness, Death and the Grave/Hades. Finally he will kill the Gentile Converts, he can not get at the Jewish Converts, God protects them in the Petra/Bozrah region for 1260 days. Then the church in heaven are FORETOLD about God's soon to fall Wrath, which will do what? Turn the Sun & Moon Dark and the Moon will look blood red. Well, isn't that what Trump #4 does? The Seals SEAL UP God's Wrath, just lie a Letter from a King Sealed with Three Wax Signet Seals could not be read by anyone unless they first broke those seals, ALL THREE........Thus ALL SEVEN Seals must be broken before God's Wrath can fall. So, why is the 7th Seal over in Rev.8 ? Because Rev. 7 is a CODE for All Israel who repents, its not 144,000, jut like Christendom is not only 10 Female "Virgin" Brides. God uses numbers, 10 = Completion, 12 = Fulness so 10 x 10 x 12 x 12 x 12 if God SHOUTING this s ALL Israel who repents, and thus they are not all Male Virgins either, that just means they have repented, they are Male because Israel was called first !! God also saved Himself 7000 men remember? 7 = Divine Completion, thus we have 7 x 10 x 10 x 10 or Israel whom God had saved, whom He then displaced the world over until the end times, where He regathered them in 1948, but without Breath in them (not saved).
Reread Rev. 7 what does it say? HOLD BACK the four winds (Wrath/Judgment) and HURT NOT the Earth, Sea nor Trees until the 144,000 are SEALED (Saved). Well, what hurts the Earth, Sea and Trees? The Rev. 8 Wrath of God which sees an Asteroid Impact in Trumps 1-4 its one event in four phases. You looking back in history just tells me you do not understand the book of Revelation brother.
No it is not.
Rev. 2&3 is the Church Age
Everything after Rev. 4:1 (the Pre Trib. Rapture) is the HEREAFTER or after the Church Age, the 70th week.
Rev. 4 and 5 is the Church in Heaven praising God and Jesus
Rev. 6 is Jesu opening the Seals which looses the Wrath of God in Rev. 8
Rev. 7 is the Jews who repented being Sealed by the Holy Spirit and God says HOLD UP EVERYTHING until I have them saved and protected.
Rev. 8 starts God's Wrath. The 30 minutes of Silence is the Heavens/Angels saying we take no joy in this judgment, just like it repented God when He had to flood the whole earth. Trumps 1-4 are one Asteroid.
Rev. 9 is still in perfect Chronological Order, only after this chapter did God on purpose jumble it up. The First Two Woes come in Rev. 9 telling us Rev. 11 MUST BE a Parenthetical Citation Chapter.
Rev. 16 is the final Wrath Chapter(really 15&16 go together just as Rev. 8 had the Angels readying the Trumps to Sound THEN Sounding them later, in Rev. 15 we see the Angels readying the Vials to be poured out THEN pouring them out in Rev. 16 only) The 3rd Woe is all 7 Vials, which emit from the 7th Trump.
The Parenthetical Chapters
Everything else are Parenthetical Citation Chapters, meaning they all happen during the 42 months of Wrath we see in Revelation chapters 8, 9 and 16. Now, if we are observant we can see how almost everyone of these chapters can be seen in a 1260 day bracket, and Rev. 8, 9 and 16 last 1260 days (God's Wrath equals a Time, Times and half time or 1260 days or 42 months_
Rev. 10 is now no longer a mystery, the 7 THUNDERS are simply the 7 Trumps, God Wrath all lies in only 7 Trumps, the 7 Vials emit from the 7th Trump and are the 3rd Woe. Why was the little book sweet in the mouth but bitter in the stomach? Because just like the 30 minutes of silence, only Judgment could bring John into the eternal Godhead, that was sweet but then John saw the billions of humans who ad to be judged and killed, and that was bitter unto him !! When the 7th Thunder Sounds (7th Trump) time will be no more [as we have known it under Satan, Babylon falls, Jesus will no rule].
Rev. 11 is a tad different it starts 1335 days before the 2nd Coming, the 2 Witnesses are the 1335 Blessing. They die BEFORE THE BEAST right? At the 2nd Woe vs. him dying at the 7th Vial, so their timelines can not be the same can it? But both have 1260 day Offices as appointed or Ordained by God. So, since the die first, they have to show up first, thus each number in Dan. 12 is a set number of days until the 2nd Coming ENDS ALL OF THESE WONDERS (Dan. 11:36-45). Thus the 2 Witnesses show up to turn Israel back unto God both Malachi 4:5 and Zechariah 13:8-9 and Zech. 14:1 says so, then the False Prophet (a Jewish High Priest) will FORBID Jesus Worship by those 1/3 (5 million Jews) who repented in "HIS" Temple, and e will then place an IMAGE of the E.U. President up in the temple (the AoD). That AoD sign gives those Jews 30 days to Flee Judea. Then the Anti-Christ comes on the scene as "The Beast" 30 days later, and 75 days after the 2 Witnesses show up. So, Rev. 11 lasts for 1335 days in full, but it only tells about what the 7th Trump will bring, VICTORY, we only get the details in Rev. 16.
Rev. 12 is Israel fleeing for.............1260 days.
Rev. 13 is the Beast ruling for...........1260 days
Rev. 14 is The Harvest Chapter, we see the VERY END where Jesus shows up and the 144,000 (5 million Jews) are awaiting, but they are really in the Petra area, its just symbolic of "The Harvest" of Israel. Likewise in Rev. 14:17-20 we see the Harvest of the Wicked Grapes (Tares) who grow together with the Wheat (Israel) until the end, then the are Harvested into the Gave to be judged 1000 years later. So, who does Jesus Harvest in Rev. 14:14 ? Well, he harvest us the Church from upon a cloud, it is the Pre Trib. Rapture shown to John in the old Cinematic Flashback style. Thus this chapter covers 7 full years like Rev. 19.
Rev. 17 is the Beast and his kings killing of the Harlot (False Religion) this lasts for only 42 months of course.
Rev. 18 is the Whole World (Babylon) being Judged by God and that Wrath lasts for 1260 days.
Rev. 19 shows the Church in Heaven before we get our White Robes or Marries the Lamb. Then we are seen returning with Jesus to the Marriage Supper (Armageddon) thus this chapter covers 7 years also.
It doesn't need to make sense. For most of these protesters it is like a "panty raid". Any excuse to get out and party. Asking them to articulate political views that make sense, is missing the point of their motivations and purpose. They just want to have fun!It still makes no sense.
It still makes no sense.There you go![]()
The moon deception proclaims how great man is, so mankind will look to man to solve problems.
I merely bring to your attention, what many sources inform us about. My belief is that it is a probability that the Holy Family lived in Britian for about 18 years.So why write as though it is a fact when you can't prove it and it is only a possibility?
You keep horribly miss-representing my posts. I never suggested or even implied that Jesus was supposed to sacrifice animals for His Sin. I will try one more time to explain myself.
The point I made, was that Jesus forgave sins as the Prophesied "Priest of God", but never by performing the "works of the Law" required by the temporary Levitical Priesthood, that was "ADDED" after the golden Calf.
Lev. 4: 30 And the priest shall take of the blood thereof with his finger, and put it upon the horns of the altar of burnt offering, and shall pour out all the blood thereof at the bottom of the altar. 31And he shall take away all the fat thereof, as the fat is taken away from off the sacrifice of peace offerings; and the priest shall burn it upon the altar for a sweet savour unto the LORD; and the priest shall make an atonement for him, and it shall be forgiven him.
Priesthood works, BTW, that were still being promoted by the mainstream religions of Paul's Time, the Pharisees, who didn't believe Moses concerning Him, to the Galatians and continued to exalt themselves as God's Priests, requiring that men, the Galatians in this case, come to them with their sacrifices to perform these Priesthood "works of the Law" for remission of sin.
The point is, God's Laws that define Righteousness, Holiness and Sin, are eternal. While the LAW "ADDED" after the Golden Calf, for remission of sins, that Paul is speaking to in Galatians was temporary, "ADDED" Till the Seed should come. Added to Lead them to the True Lamb of God for remission of sins that are past.
At least this is what the Holy Scriptures teach.
Response:“Jesus forgave sins as the prophesied Priest of God, but never by performing the ‘works of the Law’ required by the temporary Levitical Priesthood, that was ‘ADDED’ after the golden calf.”
That blood offering for sin happened before the golden calf incident (Exodus 32).“And Moses took half of the blood and put it in basins, and half of the blood he sprinkled on the altar... and said, Behold the blood of the covenant, which the Lord hath made with you concerning all these words.”
Christ fulfilled those priestly functions once for all, not by rejecting them but by completing their purpose.“Every priest stands daily ministering and offering repeatedly the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins.
But this Man, after He had offered one sacrifice for sins forever, sat down at the right hand of God.”
Response:“The Pharisees... continued to exalt themselves as God’s priests, requiring that men come to them with their sacrifices to perform these priesthood ‘works of the Law’ for remission of sin.”
So, the “works of the Law” in Galatians are not priestly rituals but any human attempt to be justified before God by law-keeping.“A man is not justified by works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ.”
Response:“God’s Laws that define righteousness, holiness, and sin are eternal, while the Law ‘added’ after the Golden Calf for remission of sins was temporary — added till the Seed should come.”
The “law added” refers to the entire Mosaic Law (including moral, civil, and ceremonial commands), given 430 years after Abraham (Galatians 3:17).“Why then the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made…”
The Law (in all its parts) served as a tutor — a shadow pointing to the reality (Hebrews 10:1).“Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.”
Response:“Added to lead them to the True Lamb of God for remission of sins that are past.”
The Law could reveal sin and foreshadow redemption — but it could not accomplish it.“For there is verily a disannulling of the commandment going before for the weakness and unprofitableness thereof.
For the law made nothing perfect, but the bringing in of a better hope did.”
Oh, ok, no reason for Jesus to come then, I guess. Nothing really new about the new covenant.When God commanded obedience of the Law of Moses, when you obey what he commanded, you show that you have faith.
Animal Sacrifices were practiced as far back as Abel, right after the Fall. Perhaps you can count the animal skins God gave Adam and Eve, and believe that Abel took that as a cue?Can you tell me where the law for animal sacrifices started at Creation?
I would encourage you to read of the dimensions and the building materials of both the tabernacle and the temple. The differences abound.I asked for Scripture showing this. I asked three times, I give up. Be well.
God's law was never given as a way of earning our salvation even as the result of having perfect obedience, but rather God graciously teaching to obey His law is the way that He is giving us His gift of salvation (Titus 2:11-13). It is contradictory to think that salvation is found in God's Word made flesh, but not in following his example of embodying God's Word. Jesus saves us from our sin (Matthew 1:21) and sin is the transgression of God's law (1 John 3:4), so Jesus graciously teaching us to be a embody it is intrinsically the way that he is giving us his gift of saving us from not embodying it, but if Jesus fulfilled the law for us, then he would be removing his of salvation from us, so thankfully he did not do that. In 1 John 2:6, those who are in Christ are obligated to walk in the same way that he walked, so only those who are following his example of walking in obedience to God's law are in Christ, which is how his righteousness produces the fruit of obedience.
For example, if someone gives money to charity, then they succeeding at embodying the righteousness of God, so that is not beyond our ability. In Romans 10:5-8, Paul referred to Deuteronomy 30 as the word of faith that we proclaim in regard to proclaiming that God's law is not too difficult for us to obey and that obedience to it brings life and a blessing while disobedience brings death and a curse, so choose life! So it was presented as a possibility and as a choice, not as something that we will all fail at. The way to submit to God is by obeying His commandments through faith.
Character traits are not earned as the result of our works but other they are embodied through our works, so God's law was never given as a way to make us righteous, but as instructions for how to embody His righteousness. The only way for someone to attain a character trait is by faith apart from being required to have first done enough works in order to earn it as the result, but what it means to have a character trait is to be a doer of works that embody that trait, so while we become righteous by faith apart from works, it would be contradictory for someone to become righteous apart from becoming a doer of righteous works. What it means for God to make us righteous is for Him to make us into a doer of righteous works and the way that He does that is by graciously teaching us to be a doer of His law.
Answer:“God graciously teaching us to obey His law is the way that He is giving us His gift of salvation (Titus 2:11-13).”
Notice the order:“For the grace of God has appeared, bringing salvation for all people, training us to renounce ungodliness and worldly passions…”
We’re not saved by good works, but saved for them.“For by grace you have been saved through faith… not of works… For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works.”
Answer:“It is contradictory to think salvation is found in God’s Word made flesh but not in following His example of embodying God’s Word.”
It is His obedience — not ours — that makes us righteous before God.“By one man’s obedience many will be made righteous.”
Answer:“If Jesus fulfilled the law for us, then He would be removing His gift of salvation from us, so thankfully He did not do that.”
Jesus’ fulfillment doesn’t remove salvation — it secures it.“For what the law could not do… God did, by sending His own Son… in order that the righteous requirement of the law might be fulfilled in us who walk not according to the flesh but according to the Spirit.”
Answer:“Only those who are following His example of walking in obedience to God’s law are in Christ.”
Faith unites us to Christ; that union produces obedience (John 15:5).“Did you receive the Spirit by works of the law, or by hearing with faith? Are you so foolish? Having begun by the Spirit, are you now being perfected by the flesh?”
Answer:“Obedience brings life and blessing while disobedience brings death and a curse, so choose life!”
The “word of faith” Paul preaches is not “obey the law,” but “believe the gospel.”“If you confess with your mouth ‘Jesus is Lord’ and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved.”
Answer:“The only way for God to make us righteous is by teaching us to do righteous works.”
After justification, He then imparts righteousness through the Spirit’s transforming work (Romans 6:17–18).“To the one who does not work but believes in Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is counted as righteousness.”
“But now that you have been set free from sin and have become slaves of God, the fruit you get leads to sanctification and its end, eternal life.”
There is nothing that speaks against murder in the garden; so how did Cain know that it was a sin?You would need to prove that God’s perfect plan before sin included killing innocent lambs. There is nothing that speaks of annuals feast days and annual sabbaths at Creation, you made the claim, you need to provide the Scripture.