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Trying to find a part time job

Hello everyone,

My state volunteer opportunity ended recently and I am still working for my dad with his business, but I am having trouble making ends meet. So, I am now searching for a part time job in retail. I have had 3 interviews so far, but no job yet. So please pray for God to make a way for me. Also, pray for my marriage and that we stay strong in Christ and within our marriage as we go through financial difficulties.

Heavenly Father,
We come before Your throne of grace with humble hearts, lifting up Your son, Heartofsilver, into Your loving and mighty hands. Lord, You are the God who sees (Genesis 16:13), the God who provides (Genesis 22:14), and the God who never forsakes His children (Hebrews 13:5). Today, we ask You to stretch forth Your hand of favor, strength, and restoration over his life.

Father, You know the challenges he is facinghis volunteer opportunity has ended, and though he continues to help his father in the family business, the financial pressure is still heavy. Lord, Your Word says, “My God shall supply all your need according to His riches in glory by Christ Jesus” (Philippians 4:19). We stand on this promise and ask You to open the right doors for a stable part-time job. Guide him to the place You have prepared for him, where his gifts, skills, and integrity will shine. Your Word reminds us, “The steps of a good man are ordered by the Lord” (Psalm 37:23). Order his steps into divine opportunities, favorable interviews, and the job that aligns with Your perfect will.

Lord, give him peace as he waits. Your Word says, “Be still and know that I am God” (Psalm 46:10). Silence every voice of fear, anxiety, and discouragement, and replace them with faith and confidence in Your plan. Remind him that You are working behind the scenes, even when the answer is not yet visible.

Father, we also lift up his marriage before You. Strengthen the bond between him and his spouse. You created marriage to reflect Christ’s love for the Church (Ephesians 5:25–33). In times of financial pressure, misunderstandings and tensions may arise, but Your Word promises, “A cord of three strands is not easily broken” (Ecclesiastes 4:12). Lord, be the third cord in their marriage. Grant them unity, patience, compassion, and spiritual maturity. Teach them to pray together, stand together, and face every challenge hand in hand.

Lord Jesus, You said, “Peace I leave with you; My peace I give you” (John 14:27). Let Your peace rule in their home. Let Your wisdom guide their decisions. Let Your joy strengthen them daily (Nehemiah 8:10). Surround them with Your favor as with a shield (Psalm 5:12). Provide every needfinancial, emotional, and spiritual. Turn this difficult season into a testimony of Your faithfulness.

Heavenly Father, as Brother Heartofsilver continues to serve his earthly father in the family business, remind him that ultimately he is serving his Heavenly Father (Colossians 3:23–24). Bless the work of his hands and let increase come from unexpected places.

We declare in faith that breakthroughs are on the way, doors will open, and peace will fill his home. Because “with God all things are possible” (Matthew 19:26).

We ask all these things in the mighty, powerful, unshakable name of Jesus Christ.
Amen.

Shalom and Blessings
Pastor Waris
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Did the beginning of the IDL change the beginning of the Jewish Sabbath?

Adding to what Bob said.

Did He observe the six days of creation from evening to evening? Yes.
Did He sanctify the seventh day of rest in the same way, from evening to evening? Yes.
Did God give instruction otherwise? No.
Is God aware of IDL? Yes. Isaiah 46 says that God declares the end from the beginning.

Isaiah 46:9-11 Remember the former things of old: for I am God, and there is none else; I am God, and there is none like me, Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure: Calling a ravenous bird from the east, the man that executeth my counsel from a far country: yea, I have spoken it, I will also bring it to pass; I have purposed it, I will also do it.

But look again.

Isaiah 46:9 Remember the former things of old: for I am God.
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Exodus 20:8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
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Isaiah 46:10 Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure.

Another proof is the precision of the fulfillment of time prophecies according to the Bible.

As Bob said, the Bible tells you everything you need to know. God has it covered.
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Matthew Dowd Fired from MSNBC For Vile Comments Blaming Charlie Kirk For Assassination

State employees fired over Charlie Kirk posts inundate courts
State government employees are taking to the courts after being fired over social media posts criticizing conservative activist Charlie Kirk upon his assassination.

Former federal employee sues government after allegedly being fired for Facebook comments about Kirk's assassination

The U.S. Coast Guard contractor alleges he was fired "in retaliation for his private speech on a matter of significant national interest and attention," violating his First Amendment rights, according to the lawsuit.

According to the lawsuit, Cogar emailed McGill about alleged "inappropriate behavior" from a Coast Guard contractor on Sept. 17. McGill then contacted the office of the chief security officer about "a social media post linked to Peter Souders," asking it to confirm if he was a DHS contractor.

After receiving confirmation, McGill allegedly ordered DHS and Coast Guard personnel to "execute all necessary offboarding and access termination actions without delay," the lawsuit states.

The lawsuit argues that "Nowhere on his Facebook page does Mr. Souders identify himself as a government contractor or employee."

In a statement, [lawyer] Zaid said federal employees reserve the right to "hold and express private views on topics without fear that the government might disagree."
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Historic Premillennialism vs Amillennialism

Hello!

I'm undecided about eschatology but doing some research on it. I think good points are made for both amillennialism and premillennialism. The only view I currently hold to with is inaugurated eschatology (or "already and not yet") where most prophecy has double fulfillment. It's normally associated with George Eldon Ladd, who was a premillennialist, but I don't see why one can't be amillennial and also agree with inaugurated eschatology.

I'm wondering if one can hold to a non-literalistic premillennialism?

Like, I don't think the events in Revelation are strictly chronological and probably could be oit of order or just the same events from different angles.

I also don't know if I believe the 1,000 years mentioned in the book to be be a literal millennium.

Could one believe in a Millennial State after the Second Coming, but not think the Millennial Kingdom will be a literal 1,000 years?

What would have happened to Adam and Eve and Cain after death?

. Jesus body remained in the tomb for three days but His divine self did not. 1 Peter 3 tells us that He ministered to the spirits in “prison” and that He went to paradise as He told the thief. This has been Christian teaching since the beginning.

Hentenza since you brought this texts into our conversation and I have not addressed it, I will now post an interpretation that does not put all the other texts on the soul and state of the dead in a state of conflict.

(1 Peter 3:18-20) “For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us lot God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit: By which also the went and preached unto the spirits in prison; Which sometime were disobedient, when once the long-suffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.”I

It has been preached that Christ descended into the regions of the earth and preached to lost souls that were in prison in some purgatory or limbo. Let’s look at the text more closely and get the real message . It says, “Christ hath once suffered for sin that He might bring us to God being put to death in the flesh. But quickened by the Spirit by which also He went and preached…” First notice how Christ preached to those spirits in prison. He did it by the Spirit, and that word is capitalized in your Bible. It actually refers to the Holy Spirit. So whatsoever Christ did in preaching during this period of time, Hd did it through or by the Holy Spirit.

With that in mind , let’s ask this, “When was the preaching done?” The answer is plainly given in verse 20: “when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing.” So the preaching was actually done while the ark was being built—during the preaching of Noah to that antediluvian world. Now, one more question: To whom was the preaching done?” The text says , “to the spirits in prison...” Throughout the Bible we find this terminology used in describing those who are bound in the prion house of sin. David prayed “Bring my soul[life] out of prison (Psalm 142:7). What Peter is telling us here is simply that Christ through the Holy Spirit was present while Noah preached; Christ was there through the Holy Spirit to speak conviction to their hearts and appeal to them to come into the ark. There is absolutely nothing here which indicates that Jesus departed from the body during the time He was dead to go to any subterranean place o minister to wicked spirits.

The three questions are clearly answered in the text itself: He preached by the Holy Spirit, He did it while the ark was preparing, and Hd did it to the spirits in prison or to those individuals whose sinful lives were bound in the prisen house of sin.

(1 Peter 4:6) “For this cause was the gospel preached to them that are dead, that they might be judged according to men in the flesh…”, Peter did not imply that the gospel was then being preached to the souls of the dead, as some teach. He said the gospel “was preached” to those who “are [now] dead.” The preaching was done while they were still alive, and they will be judged on the basis of how they lived “according to men in the flesh,” or while they sere still alive.
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OxyContin maker to plead guilty to federal criminal charges, pay $8 billion, and will close

....isn't Purdue Pharma bankrupt?
Just five years later, and the answer is.... almost?

Judge says he’ll approve opioid settlement with OxyContin maker Purdue and Sackler family

The deal overseen by U.S. Bankruptcy Judge Sean Lane would require members of the Sackler family who own the company to contribute up to $7 billion over 15 years.
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Gallup: Drop in U.S. Religiosity Among Largest in World

It seems pretty obvious that church participation dropped with Covid. There are lots of Christians with lots of motivations. My interpretation is that many people decided they didn't miss church that much and didn't find it worth coming back.

I'm not surprised that this leaves us closer to other 1st world countries. Our societies aren't that different, though we may have a larger fraction of religious conservatives.

It's interesting to see what has happened to CF. I've noticed that serious theological discussion has nearly disappeared. It's mostly politics. The Christian community discussions, except Catholics, are nearly (and in many cases completely) dead. Theology groups are at the level of Reddit in sophistication.
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Gallup: Drop in U.S. Religiosity Among Largest in World

Yes, there's that. But the complication is that unless your personal ideology extends to nothing more than a "Wilson" soccer ball, they almost always carry some kind of social outcome with them, some large and some small. And we all have ideologies.
Not sure I understand. Can you give me an example of what youre talking about?
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Iran seizes tanker in Strait of Hormuz, US official says, as tensions remain high in region

DUBAI, United Arab Emirates (AP) — Iran seized a Marshall Islands-flagged oil tanker as it traveled through the narrow Strait of Hormuz on Friday, a U.S. official said, turning the ship into Iranian territorial waters in the first-such interdiction in months in the strategic waterway.

Gallup: Drop in U.S. Religiosity Among Largest in World

I had more in mind examples along the lines of a book, or even a youtube channel for instance, committed to explicating the "benefits" of Nietzsche's or Marx's thinking, or some such, proliferating as they have over the last quarter century.

But I know, those areas of study aren't your specialty, are they?
This, you seriously think, is responsible for Americans being less likely to rate religion as important in their lives? The siren song of Nietzsche on TikTok?

It's true I've spent zero time watching Karl Marx explicated on YouTube, so I have no idea how prolific or popular such channels are.
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Release International Prayer Alerts.

15 November 2025 – Laos​

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Much of the population in rural Laos fears evil spiritual forces and feels compelled to placate them. When villagers come to Christ they are seen to be angering these spirits and as a result face persecution. Pray that the light of Christ will shine in this darkness.

14 November 2025 – Eritrea​

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Praise God that the gospel continues to have an impact on Eritrean lives despite the Government’s clampdown; at the same time pray that the persecution of Christians would end.

13 November 2025 – Eritrea​

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Continue to remember long-term prisoners, some of whom have been behind bars for more than 20 years, and their families. These include Kiflu Gebremeskel, Futsum Gebrenegus, Million Gebreselasie, Tekleab Menghisteab, Haile Naizghe, Rev G. Gebregiorsis, Kidane Weldou and Mussie Ezaz. They covet our prayers.

12 November 2025 – Eritrea​

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Pray that, despite missing their families, exiled Eritrean Christians would be able to settle in their new environments and be accepted by the communities.

11 November 2025 – Eritrea​

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Pray that the families of Christian prisoners would remain faithful to the Lord in spite of often many years of separation from their loved ones.

10 November 2025 – Eritrea​

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Please pray for the protection of Christian workers who are involved in prison ministry in Eritrea. Thank God for their courage and that they have access to the jails; pray that this may continue.

09 November 2025 – Eritrea​

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Crazy for Jesus

The Church Under Fire

Chapter Six

Crazy for Jesus

May 27, 2023

And as he was saying these things in his defense, Festus said with a loud voice, “Paul, you are out of your mind; your great learning is driving you out of your mind.” But Paul said, “I am not out of my mind, most excellent Festus, but I am speaking true and rational words. For the king knows about these things, and to him I speak boldly. For I am persuaded that none of these things has escaped his notice, for this has not been done in a corner. King Agrippa, do you believe the prophets? I know that you believe.” And Agrippa said to Paul, “In a short time would you persuade me to be a Christian?” And Paul said, “Whether short or long, I would to God that not only you but also all who hear me this day might become such as I am—except for these chains.” (Acts 26:24-29 ESV)

When we follow Jesus Christ with our lives, and we do what he has called us to do, as his followers, we are going to be called all sorts of names, and “crazy” may be one of them. For even many professing Christians and even some pastors and elders of church congregations will find us odd and peculiar if we actually take the word of God seriously and we put it into daily practice. For it appears not many people do these days.

But it isn’t just “these days” I was recalling as I recorded the video to go along with this. For I recalled when I was a youth that our youth leader told us that we are to pray for the missionaries. And then he added, “But none of us do.” And so I shyly raised my hand and I said, “I do.” For, you see, I was one of those children and youth who took God seriously. And if I was told that I was to pray for the missionaries, that is what I did.

Now I was not a perfect child, but I also was not a willfully rebellious and defiant child, either. I don’t believe I ever thought of talking back to my parents and I rarely disobeyed them, partly because my father was an abuser, and I feared him greatly, but also because it was wrong, and it would be treating them badly. But that doesn’t mean that I did everything right, either. But generally speaking I was a rule follower, and I took God and his word seriously, and I wanted to obey the Lord.

When I was in college and I was in our college youth group from my local church fellowship, we gathered together at someone’s home some Sunday nights after the evening service, and we had a devotion of some kind and some snacks. And I recall many of them were buying into the whole thing of evolution, and they were questioning, to some extent, the story of creation as it is told us in the Scriptures. And I thought that was just wrong, and so I was regarded as odd. I just didn’t fit in with most people my age.

But the Scriptures teach that we are to be God’s holy people, and that we are to be holy in all our conduct. And to be holy is to be different from the world because we are being conformed to the likeness of Jesus Christ. But if we are different, we are regarded as odd, peculiar, religious fanatics, crazy, antiquated and as dinosaurs, i.e. as “a person or thing that is outdated or has become obsolete because of failure to adapt to changing circumstances” (Oxford Languages).

But I think of it this way. Jesus’ family members thought he was crazy, and they wanted to put him away, for he was probably an embarrassment to them. I know Paul was called “crazy” (out of his mind), and so was Jeremiah, I am fairly certain, as probably were some of the other prophets and apostles in the Bible times. So, if they call us crazy, well we are then in good company – the company of Jesus, Paul, Jeremiah and the others who served the Lord faithfully and who did what God said.

The other comfort I find in this is that I know I am speaking the truth of God’s Word, not that I am saying I have everything down perfectly, but that I am a diligent student of the Scriptures who works hard to make certain that I am sharing the truth and not the lies. And I am one who is walking in obedience to the Lord Jesus and who is doing what he called me to do. So, if they call me names, it is okay, for I know that what I am sharing is what is necessary to people’s faith, salvation, and eternal life with God. And so I am at peace. And if people find me odd, well then, praise the Lord!

Oh, to Be Like Thee, Blessed Redeemer

Lyrics by Thomas O. Chisholm, 1897
Music by W. J. Kirkpatrick, 1897


Oh, to be like Thee! blessèd Redeemer,
This is my constant longing and prayer;
Gladly I’ll forfeit all of earth’s treasures,
Jesus, Thy perfect likeness to wear.

Oh, to be like Thee! full of compassion,
Loving, forgiving, tender and kind,
Helping the helpless, cheering the fainting,
Seeking the wandering sinner to find.

O to be like Thee! lowly in spirit,
Holy and harmless, patient and brave;
Meekly enduring cruel reproaches,
Willing to suffer others to save.

O to be like Thee! while I am pleading,
Pour out Thy Spirit, fill with Thy love;
Make me a temple meet for Thy dwelling,
Fit me for life and Heaven above.

Oh, to be like Thee! Oh, to be like Thee,
Blessèd Redeemer, pure as Thou art;
Come in Thy sweetness, come in Thy fullness;
Stamp Thine own image deep on my heart.

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#46 In Christian persecution, Columbia.

The fragile peace between the government and guerilla groups in Colombia has made limited impact—violence seems to have died down somewhat, but guerrilla groups (often linked to drug gangs) have grown more powerful and control more territory. These groups often target Christians for violent attacks, especially if they perceive that believers are opposing the "business" of the cartels/gangs. Church leaders are particularly at risk because they are seen as competitive influences for the young people that make up much of the guerrilla groups'

Further, in some indigenous communities, Christian preachers and indigenous converts can face hostility because they are seen as traitors who betrayed the tribe or community. These believers live at risk of expulsion from the community, imprisonment, ostracism and other punishements.

And finally, there are signs that Colombia's public sector is less committed to true pluralism; Christians speaking in public about their beliefs are sometimes targeted for supposedly being discriminatory or promotors of hate-speech. For this reason, some choose to self-censor to avoid becoming targets.

Who is most vulnerable to persecution?

Christians who live in areas controlled by guerrilla groups and/or drug gangs (sometimes the same thing) are often pressured or targeted because their faith goes against the aims of the cartels. Church leaders are particularly targeted if they are seen as opposer to the drug trade.

Believers who come from an indigenous faith background may also face pressure in some communities, where they can be targeted because of their conversion.

Meet 'David'

I'm not close to my brother, nor to my sister, and I'm estranged from my brother-in-law. Because you preach the gospel, you are no longer considered part of the family. And because you preach, you also lose the right to work in the community. I no longer have the right to work because, as a Christian, I have lost their trust.

DAVID, AN INDIGENOUS BELIEVER IN COLOMBIA

What has changed this year?

Colombia fell 12 spots on the World Watch List, but this shouldn't be taken as a sign that everything is well. The success of the peace plan between the government and rebel groups has been spotty—some people blame the government's peace with rebel groups for the rise in cartel/gang violence. Whatever happens to the peace process, Christians remain at risk if they live in areas dominated by these guerrilla groups, especially if they are seen as advocating for lifestyle values outside of the cartels' goals. The political instability makes the future uncertain.

What does Open Doors do to help Christians in Colombia?

Open Doors strengthens the persecuted church in Colombia through Bible distribution, training, trauma care, community development projects, emergency relief aid and assistance in legal proceedings.

How can you pray for Colombia?
  • The peace between guerrilla groups and the Colombian government remains tenuous at best. Pray that God would work on the hearts of warring parties and that Christians would be peacemakers.
  • Praise God for the faith of believers who come to faith in indigenous contexts—even if it means they will experience persecution from their communities who view faith in Jesus as a betrayal.
  • Pray for Christians living in areas controlled by cartels. Pray for their protection and and wisdom as they seek to follow Christ.

Do you keep the Sabbath? (poll)

It was never given to all mankind in the OT, it was given to Abraham's descendants, that Gentiles could get grafted in and access to the earthy temple by circumcision.
Ryan shares what he shared because his proclamation is that circumcision is not of the Law. That is not true as the verses below state.

In respect to what you post above. It was given to all who would hear. Therefore mankind.

Exod 12:48 And when a stranger shall sojourn with thee, and will keep the passover to the LORD, let all his males be circumcised, and then let him come near and keep it; and he shall be as one that is born in the land: for no uncircumcised person shall eat thereof.

Num 9:14 And if a stranger shall sojourn among you, and will keep the passover unto the LORD; according to the ordinance of the passover, and according to the manner thereof, so shall he do: ye shall have one ordinance, both for the stranger, and for him that was born in the land.

Num 15:15 One ordinance shall be both for you of the congregation, and also for the stranger that sojourneth with you, an ordinance for ever in your generations: as ye are, so shall the stranger be before the LORD.

Num 15:16 One law and one manner shall be for you, and for the stranger that sojourneth with you.

Ezek 44:9 Thus saith the Lord GOD; No stranger, uncircumcised in heart, nor uncircumcised in flesh, shall enter into my sanctuary, of any stranger that is among the children of Israel.
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