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Study explores ‘Jesus without Church’ paradox

"The number of people who believe their faith does not depend on attending Mass has increased as more Catholics are cultivating a personal relationship with Jesus, according to a recent survey of U.S. Catholic beliefs."

So, this is bad?

Consider a parish that embraces LGBTQ+ ideology and works to drive conservatives away?
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What is the meaning of Total Depravity?

Either way, grace give us the means to choose good thoughts, and acts, over evil ones.
Evil thoughts defile all regardless of choices, the general point of our Lord in Matt. 7:21-23

There is no escaping that fact by acting good and thinking that eliminates God's Facts
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Morality without Absolute Morality

Normally I wouldn't go off topic like this, especially to respond to something as inconsequential as insults. But I thought that in this singular case I'd make an exception. Don't be surprised if I don't make a habit of it.

As to my solipsism, perhaps I should've been clearer, I'm an epistemological solipsist. Which simply holds that nothing can be known to exist outside of one's own mind. To me this term simply reminds me to be humble about just how much it is that I simply don't know. My profile says 'Agnostic', but that's simply because 'Solipsist' isn't one of the available choices, and to be honest, to me that's all that epistemological solipsism is... agnosticism pushed to its logical conclusion.

You also must've missed the post where I referred to myself as a Christian. Perhaps this post will better explain this seeming dichotomy:
Ah...I appreciate the explanation, and I'm in a similar camp though I find the terminology suspect and prefer the more conventional Pyrrhonist/Pyrrhonian skeptic. Though I prefer to stick to epistemological confidences rather than speaking in terms of knowledge, as I don't believe that such skepticism is liveable outside of philosophical speculations.

My approach can come across as harsh, but that's because a lot of my interactions are patterned after Jeremiah and Elijah in their dealings with pagan prophets. And i don't think we're as off topic as it might seem, because these epistemic and metaphysical issues are necessarily involved when we discuss objectivity of ethics.
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Cursed is the heart of this people

What claim do you mean?

The article I quoted from is from Chabad.org, I could not see any author, probably because it is so well known.

Under the article were comments, one recieved a reply from Rabbi Shmary Brownstein.

So it is not my claim, it just is.

The claim about, the second temple being destroyed. It’s not destroyed. The first one suffered an attack. But it’s not in Palestine.
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Democrats finally vote to open Government

So they could have. They just didn't want to because they feared future consequences.

They also needed the Republicans to support the bill. That part was likely, but not guaranteed. So of the two parties, one had the power to unilaterally pass the legislation, albeit by doing something politically risky, and the other could only require that politically risky move but not actually block the legislation. Yet you are blaming the party with no power to actually stop the bill. It's like if I shot somebody for not giving up their wallet and you blamed the victim for dying by not doing what I said.

Actually they didn't. They voted on a similar bill with several concessions. In other words, they negotiated, which is how this is supposed to work. But Republicans were so opposed to doing so at the being that the House passed the CR with a single Democratic vote, and then left town until after the funding was due to expire, ensuring only the bill they had passed could be signed into effect. Apparently there were secret discussion that happened at some point to come to a compromise, but who knows when they actually started to happen. And even those appeared to not be with Democratic le

True, because they disagreed with it. That could have been avoided by the GOP being open to negotiation at the start or having the political courage to restrict the filibuster.

Sure, there was discussion of doing so, but it wasn't supported by leadership. Biden openly opposed the idea and the one bill that was introduced was instantly sent to go die in committee in both houses. That's what I mean was not a serious effort.

The House passes plenty of bills they know won't pass cloture in the Senate. But they pass it anyway because they think it's important or powerful political messaging, like the For the People Act, which ended up not passing because of the filibuster. That's a bit different because they didn't have the votes to pass it in the first place, but I still think it's worth bringing up. Especially since the Democrats cared enough about it and the related John Lewis Voting Rights Act to try and change the cloture rules. That attempt failed, but it's instructive because it shows how far the Democrats were willing to go for a bill that had broad party support, unlike the Judiciary Act of 2021 which never got a vote.
To vote for the nuke option would've changed the senate for future issues. There was no choice but to oppose changing the filibuster.

Uhm, the Republicans in the House and Senate already voted for the CR bill. The Democrats voted no 14 times and even voted no on the
proposal bill to fund SNAP, military and federal workers pay.
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JPPT1974's Daily Devotions

JPPT1974's Tues Thoughts 11/18/2025:
Despite the life threatening situation and
How he never stopped praying to God
Despite being warned but that
God never allowed Daniel to lose his life
But when he became a right hand man to the
Earthly King Darius as Daniel's God became
Darius God and the latter giving the people in
Worshiping over in their God, OUR GOD!!
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Can Truth Be Known? How

I think you're missing the point. If someone has God, then God will lead/guide them. Since Jesus is the Shepard and we form our covenant with him, then we trust in his guidance. Can God use people and scripture to back up the truth? Yes, but without God's guidance, we can fall way off the road. Jesus is the "way, the truth and the light", all you technically need is God and he will guide/direct. When you start adding other things as a "requirement", you're essentially saying God can't guide correctly to truth without other stuff. If he really needs to, he'll show up himself. Loads of testimonies of God showing up in dreams and such, for people in other religions or even atheists. All you NEED is God, but scripture does help. As I said, it's an aid, but it shouldn't ever replace your walk/relationship with him on a personal basis.
The word of God is more than an "aid," it is
the source of spiritual regeneration (1 Pe 1:23),
spirit and life (Jn 6:63),
living and active. . .dividing soul and spirit. . .judging thoughts and attitudes of the heart (Heb 4:12).
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The Lord's Wrath - How will it Happen

Also, consuming fire:

Deuteronomy 4:24 For the Lord thy God is a consuming fire, even a jealous God.

Deuteronomy 9:3 Understand therefore this day, that the Lord thy God is he which goeth over before thee; as a consuming fire he shall destroy them, and he shall bring them down before thy face: so shalt thou drive them out, and destroy them quickly, as the Lord hath said unto thee.

Hebrews 12:29 For our God is a consuming fire.
Be aware that the Lord does NOT Return in a consuming fire, but in glory, as described in 1Thess 4:16 and Revelation 19:11-14

He SENDS fire, Psalms 11:4-6, to destroy His enemies in the Holy Land, Zephaniah 1:14-18, and to commence the Prophesied end time events.
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Do you keep the Sabbath? (poll)

It's everywhere in Scriptures you just don't see it. In fact Scripture is about Faith!

There is a law which requires Faith (in case of Abraham) and law requires works (OC followers ie Pharisees etc and Sabbatarian ) Romans 3
Says nowhere in scripture and you know it. Otherwise you would have posted it and not try to state Rom 3 says it.
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JPPT1974's Daily Devotions

Daniel knowing he was in
Such a tough situation and
Even in the life threatening over the
Lions den and in the process
That he relied upon God and
How those that wanted to wish for Daniel's demise
Were the ones that were ending
Up being killed as punishment for wanting to
"Punish" Daniel over on not ceasing to pray go God.
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Fewer international tourists are visiting the U.S. — economic losses could be ‘staggering,’ researchers estimate

As for Canada - when the Canadian dollar is worth only 73 cents American - how could they afford to come to begin with.
I'm Canadian....sorry but you do need to do some homework.....The Canadian dollar has hovered around 73 cents USD in multiple different years, including 2004, 2015–2016, 2019–2020, and again in 2023–2025. In all other years that never stopped us from visiting in great numbers.
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Do you keep the Sabbath? (poll)

The obeying the voice of God is of the hearing of faith that Paul speaks of in Galatians 3. We know this to be true because verse 6 starts with the words “even as” when the spirit speaks of Abraham believing God. And all this is being said in respect to Paul speaking of us being dead but alive, yet not us but the Christ living in us. And the life we now live in the flesh we live by the faith OF the Son of God who gave himself for us. And this Faith is how we are justified. Because we Know that a man is not justified by the works of the law, if not (except) by the faith of Jesus Christ, as verse 2:16 says

Galatians 2:16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, if not (except) by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.
Galatians 3:2 This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?
Galatians 3:3 Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh?
Galatians 3:4 Have ye suffered so many things in vain? if it be yet in vain.
Galatians 3:5 He therefore that ministereth to you the Spirit, and worketh miracles among you, doeth he it by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?
Galatians 3:6 Even as Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.
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Do you keep the Sabbath? (poll)

Yes, Jesus and Isaiah teach and promoting the Gospel.

The Pharisees on the other hand were teachers of the law of Moses or old covenant law.

You see the difference of the Gospel and the Law (OC) by comparing Jesus and Isaiah to the Pharisees?

I know that you are preaching that the Pharisees were promoting the Law of Moses, and that Jesus and Isaiah, and Stephen and many others in the Holy scriptures teach me that they were not promoting the Law of Moses. In fact, the only people in the entire Bible that teaches that the Pharisees were promoting the Law of Moses, was the Pharisees themselves, who Jesus called "children of the devil".

But what else can I say. If you want to promote the teaching that the Pharisees were promoting God's Laws, you are free to do so. I have already shown you what the Jesus "of the bible" teaches about them.

Time for me to move on.
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JPPT1974's Daily Devotions

JPPT1974's Weekend Thoughts 11/21-11/23/2025:
Spiritual health over in leaning on the
Lord and in the reading the Bible
Praying and going to church
Being with fellow believers that
Love the Lord and in the doing the
Best to give up control as hard as it
Can be to have as all things are possible
With Christ as nothing is too big nor too small for Him!
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Democrats finally vote to open Government

No, they could not remove nor modify the filibuster, without major consequences in the future.
So they could have. They just didn't want to because they feared future consequences.
All the democrats had to do is vote for the clean Continuing Resolution,
They also needed the Republicans to support the bill. That part was likely, but not guaranteed. So of the two parties, one had the power to unilaterally pass the legislation, albeit by doing something politically risky, and the other could only require that politically risky move but not actually block the legislation. Yet you are blaming the party with no power to actually stop the bill. It's like if I shot somebody for not giving up their wallet and you blamed the victim for dying by not doing what I said.
which they eventually did and the government reopened.
Actually they didn't. They voted on a similar bill with several concessions. In other words, they negotiated, which is how this is supposed to work. But Republicans were so opposed to doing so at the being that the House passed the CR with a single Democratic vote, and then left town until after the funding was due to expire, ensuring only the bill they had passed could be signed into effect. Apparently there were secret discussion that happened at some point to come to a compromise, but who knows when they actually started to happen. And even those appeared to not be with Democratic le
It was the democrats who refused to vote for the CR.
True, because they disagreed with it. That could have been avoided by the GOP being open to negotiation at the start or having the political courage to restrict the filibuster.
When Biden was president, they talked of stacking the Supreme Court
Sure, there was discussion of doing so, but it wasn't supported by leadership. Biden openly opposed the idea and the one bill that was introduced was instantly sent to go die in committee in both houses. That's what I mean was not a serious effort.
, but again, it would require 60 votes in the senate and
they knew unless they got control of both the House and the Senate, it could not be done.
The House passes plenty of bills they know won't pass cloture in the Senate. But they pass it anyway because they think it's important or powerful political messaging, like the For the People Act, which ended up not passing because of the filibuster. That's a bit different because they didn't have the votes to pass it in the first place, but I still think it's worth bringing up. Especially since the Democrats cared enough about it and the related John Lewis Voting Rights Act to try and change the cloture rules. That attempt failed, but it's instructive because it shows how far the Democrats were willing to go for a bill that had broad party support, unlike the Judiciary Act of 2021 which never got a vote.
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The Lord's Wrath - How will it Happen

Also, consuming fire:

Deuteronomy 4:24 For the Lord thy God is a consuming fire, even a jealous God.

Deuteronomy 9:3 Understand therefore this day, that the Lord thy God is he which goeth over before thee; as a consuming fire he shall destroy them, and he shall bring them down before thy face: so shalt thou drive them out, and destroy them quickly, as the Lord hath said unto thee.

Hebrews 12:29 For our God is a consuming fire.
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JPPT1974's Daily Devotions

JPPT1974's Thurs Thoughts 11/20/2025:
Emotional health would be in
Maybe even given one hour of
Each day and in the having it
To ourselves as that we need
In resting for those who are like
Parents and for those who work
Need to have in such on a life-work balance
People who don't do that are only exhausting themselves.
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Trump Signs Order Rolling Back Tariffs on Hundreds of Food Items

Someone, somewhere in the administration realized the climate in the US is not suited for growing some things the American public wants (coffee, bananas, etc) in the quantity needed.

In these cases it was clear all the tariffs were doing is raising prices for American shoppers because we can't grow that stuff here. Also, its not like say expensive French wine where the consumers are in the minority. A ton of people buy coffee and bananas.

I generally support Trump. But, in this case its just fixing an issue he caused by placing a tariff on mass consumed goods we can't produce here.
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