Don’t you think cows are pretty interesting and useful?

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‘Emergency’ World Naked Bike Ride plans underway after troops deployed to Portland​

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Please awaken me for the “emergency“ National Naked BUS Ride Day.
(when public transit has this much “entertainment value”, we’ll know it’s all just a simulation!)

Yarddog said:

One is a criminal offense and the other a civil offense.

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• Improper Entry (8 U.S.C. § 1325):
  This is a criminal offense for those who enter the U.S. without proper inspection or at an unauthorized location.
  • A first offense can result in a fine or imprisonment for up to six months.
    
    
  • • Subsequent offenses can lead to more significant fines or imprisonment for up to two years.
• • Illegal Reentry (8 U.S.C. § 1326):
    This is a felony charge for anyone who reenters the United States after having been deported or removed.
    • • Penalties can include federal prison sentences, with potential time up to 20 years for repeat offenders.

Overstaying a Visa is a civil offense. So are you saying undocumented immigrants only applies to people who overstayed their visas?

Richard T said:

This will help explain the differences between criminal illegals and undocumented. Undocumented foreigners have not committed a crime, they have committed civil offenses thouhg like overtaying a visa.

Here is one statement from Vance: Source:Vance brings receipts to target Dems on healthcare benefits for illegal aliens

"The first Biden-era program provided illegal immigrants emergency healthcare at hospitals, the vice president said.

"We turned off that funding because, of course, we want American citizens to benefit from those hospital services, not to be taxed, and then to have those hospital services go to illegal aliens," Vance said."

So if the Federal Government does not fund, then the hospitals eat the bills or raise rates on everyone else. With the law in place just another unfunded mandate. In the end U.S. citizens pay one way or another. Vance should have given better examples of illegals getting non-emergency care. In general, they are shut off from that in most states. Obamacare though to legal visa holding immigrants is not. That is much of what Trump does not want to fund. But these legal immigrants people are working and obamacare subsidies are a tax credit.

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Actually there is no difference. And I don’t know if I would call someone who overstays a Visa undocumented. They have documents, they’re just expired, meaning they are here illegally

rjs330 said:

More lies. If the police would do their jobs there wouldnt need to be any NG troops. The fact is the police are not doing their job so someone else has to in order to protect the building and the people.

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Oh, I see, the American Military, after training for a century of going to other people’s countries and policing-the-world, “helping to run things”, is ripe and they’re finally ready to “police” the people of their homeland!

Charming.

Vambram said:

There is no difference between undocumented immigrants and illegal immigrants. Both are still illegal.

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One is a criminal offense and the other a civil offense.

RandyPNW said:

Again, this was not relevant to the conversation we were having. We were talking about whether the Kingdom is already here or not, as I understood it. We were not discussing whether the Kingdom will come at all! All Christians believe there will be a New Earth, and that Christ's Kingdom will come to dominate it.

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I don't think Jesus bodily returns to earth until his second coming. As soon as he, accompanied by his angels and saints, begins descending to earth, we who are on earth will rise up to meet him in the air, and then we all will accompany him to the Valley of Jehoshaphat for the judgment of the sheep and goats.

RandyPNW said:

Yes, that's what Paul taught. And we know that like Noah's Flood a final judgment by fire will purge the earth of Christ's enemies. That will happen simultaneously with the 2nd Coming. In other words, Christ cannot reign on earth until his enemies have been judged and removed.

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You believe that Jesus will reign physically on earth forevermore? That his father' house will be brought to earth? Acts 7:49, John 14:2-4

RandyPNW said:

Yes, that is my point. Christ's enemies are still in power, and they are not gradually being destroyed, but simply are being judged until final judgment falls.

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There will be evil people and antichrists on earth until Jesus returns for his second coming.

Pommer said:

Buuut, people are allowed to “protest”, buddy.

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Buuuut, they are not allowed to block the streets and entrances to the buildings or attempt to prevent the exits and entrances of the vehicles. They arw not allowed to shoot fireworks at agents or the building. They aren't allowed to threaten people buddy. They aren't allowed to hit people.with their poles buddy.

wing2000 said:

Imagine that. Diverting federal resources from illegal drug investigations will naturally lead to less prosecutions. It will be interesting to see the annual data for 2025...

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Blowing up the shipments on the way to the US may prove to be more effective

Pommer said:

If I call the fire department and they send out a tanker-plane to douse my home with 5000 gallons of water, how is that “better”?

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What you think they are rolling in rhe tanks and jet planes? Maybe some B2s. They arw sending in some troops to protect the officers. Good grief. If my house was on fire and the fire department refused to show up I would be happy in the NG came with their own fire truck to help out.

rjs330 said:

Thats is patently a lie from someone. Its not single digit people. I cant believe prople are allowed to post such falsehoods.

There is plenty of video out there of whats going on in Portland. So, proclaiming falsehoods like this is easily disproven. Shame on anyone putting out garbage like this.

Doea this look like single digit protestors? Take a look starting at 5:16. Then lets go to the night. Take a look at 6:00.

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Buuut, people are allowed to “protest”, buddy.

BPPLEE said:

This is the first time I have heard this. What is the difference?

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This will help explain the differences between criminal illegals and undocumented. Undocumented foreigners have not committed a crime, they have committed civil offenses thouhg like overtaying a visa.

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Illegal immigrants are treated in emergency rooms. EMTALA requires that anyone who presents at an emergency room gets a medical screening and stabilizing care.
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The Emergency Medical Treatment and Labor Act (EMTALA) is a federal law passed in 1986 that requires Medicare-participating hospitals to provide emergency medical care to anyone, regardless of their ability to pay or insurance status. It mandates a medical screening exam for anyone presenting to the emergency department, stabilizing treatment for identified emergency conditions, or an appropriate transfer to another facility if the patient cannot be stabilized

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Here is one statement from Vance: Source:Vance brings receipts to target Dems on healthcare benefits for illegal aliens

"The first Biden-era program provided illegal immigrants emergency healthcare at hospitals, the vice president said.

"We turned off that funding because, of course, we want American citizens to benefit from those hospital services, not to be taxed, and then to have those hospital services go to illegal aliens," Vance said."

So if the Federal Government does not fund, then the hospitals eat the bills or raise rates on everyone else. With the law in place just another unfunded mandate. In the end U.S. citizens pay one way or another. Vance should have given better examples of illegals getting non-emergency care. In general, they are shut off from that in most states. Obamacare though to legal visa holding immigrants is not. That is much of what Trump does not want to fund. But these legal immigrants people are working and obamacare subsidies are a tax credit.

rambot said:

Yes.

There is ZERO doubt that the actions of your president have signfiicantly soured many people's opinions of America and Americans are taking the brunt of that.

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I cannot imagine the amount of insult our good friends up in Canada had to withstand before they turned “rude”, but I’m guessing quite a lot. Then again rude and semi-hostile “service” from minor functionaries is a trope for a reason.

Hvizsgyak said:

Hopefully, they will banish ANTIFA too Siberia .

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PSSST: Your authoritarian instincts are showing again.

GoldenBoy89 said:

Very similar to the false narrative they tried to paint about the LA riot protests. A single block in front of the federal building where the protesters got out of hand one day was turned into a story about widespread chaos and violence across SoCal that required the National Guard to quell. The reality was the NG did absolutely nothing and LAPD and Sheriff’s Departments were well in control of the situation. The Trump administration is creating a narrative that simply isn’t true.

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The citizens in the area think its pretty bad. They are sick of it and sick of the police doing nothing about it.

Mark Quayle said:

Who said anything about "automatically"? It happens by God's sayso, and no other way. Or do you think that what God has determined gets somehow undone?

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That's what I leaned in church when I was a boy, I thought a lot of people believed that way?

Paulos23 said:

The Portland Police Chief even stated what is shown on the national level is not what is going on there.

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I dont care what rhe chief says. His is rhe same department that refuses to do anything about it requiring troops to be sent. If his police force would do their jobs we wouldn't need the NG.

Paulos23 said:

No, that is not what I said.

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Thats the conclusion for what you said. Why would you say they want violence then when the troops show up? You don't think there will be any?

rjs330 said:

Except the Secret Service would have to clear all the protestors out of the area first. Are you trying to get the president attacked?

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I agree, but not for those reasons.
Where’s Trump’s “win” if he goes?; the ball’s not in his court, he made his move.

GoldenBoy89 said:

Very similar to the false narrative they tried to paint about the LA riot protests. A single block in front of the federal building where the protesters got out of hand one day was turned into a story about widespread chaos and violence across SoCal that required the National Guard to quell. The reality was the NG did absolutely nothing and LAPD and Sheriff’s Departments were well in control of the situation. The Trump administration is creating a narrative that simply isn’t true.

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I’d lay money that the 1600 block of Pennsylvania Ave is a pretty chaotic place during “‘normal’ business hours” and they have marines all over the place!
TheSpin©️®️
“Finally, the good people of Portland will get the same protection that the President gets, why is that bad!?!”

Hvizsgyak said:

So here is the situation, as I stated to one of the other posters, I feel bad for the lady who went through the whole ordeal the first time. Unfortunately, she ends up doing the same thing (going to the same hospital that denied her the treatment the first time) a second time. Again, I feel bad for the lady but I would have made the decision to go to another (non-Christian hospital) the next time.

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Her health insurance only covered hospitals in the Dignity Health Network - which (from the sound of it) are all Catholic hospitals. Perhaps she is a sister in Christ who works for a Christian business, and that is why her insurance only provides access to Catholic hospitals? I don't know. Regardless, I think the suggestion that she should have just gone to a non-Catholic hospital is just another example of Christians failing to hold the body of Christ accountable - which the bible very clearly calls us to do.

Christians who claim to be "pro-life" are very fond of pointing out the Hippocratic oath. (I have done this myself, in the past). In this case, it sounds like the pregnancy is no longer viable. So refusing to terminate the pregnancy because there is still a fetal heartbeat does absolutely nothing to save the child, and only puts the mother at risk. How is that pro-life? Is that who Christ has called us to be, and what he has called us to do in such a situation? I'm not going to claim to know the answer here, but (if you will permit me to use some "Christianese") I think it is a question to be "wrestled" with. I don't think it is as simple as saying that terminating a pregnancy is the wrong path in any and all circumstances, and that leaving the woman to possibly have life threatening issues is the right path.

And yes, that thought makes me shudder - and I would never want to be the person facing that decision. But at the same time I think that taking the stance that terminating a pregnancy which is no longer viable is wrong, and leaving the woman in a life-threatening situation is right; and trying to claim the moral high ground while doing so is a cop-out.

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But again, this isn't my problem with the whole posting. My problem with this posting is it being placed here on a Christian Forum. What's the point? To let us know how bad Christians Hospitals are for denying to abort a living child in the womb because the hospital doesn't perform abortions (even if the mother's life is in danger)? We know bad things like this happen in real life. We don't need them shoved in our faces implying heavily, "See, this is why we can't ban abortions in the US". If the poster was someone who didn't continue to throw stones at Christians for every little thing they do wrong, I wouldn't have reacted the way I did. But they send post after post after post of story that smack Christians in the face.

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Personally, I think American Christians need a good proverbial smack in the face. (Undoubtedly some Christians from other countries do as well, but I can only speak to what is right in front of me). The bible calls Christians to hold the body of Christ accountable - even moreso than those outside the body of Christ. That is something that is extremely lacking in American Christianity today. Yeah, the (perceived) attacks may be vengeful/vindictive at times - but even if that is the case (which I don't know if it was here), I don't think that calls for us to deflect and make excuses for those who are claiming to be Christians. And Lord knows we've seen plenty of that as of late. Mr. Donald Trump and his most loyal supporters are a case in point.

walter45 said:

I feel we would get a more complete understanding of what The Bible intended for us to understand when we include all the scriptures we can find on that Bible topic.

Someone please give me a scripture that seems to explain all people automatically after death get everlasting life in heaven or hell?

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Who said anything about "automatically"? It happens by God's sayso, and no other way. Or do you think that what God has determined gets somehow undone?

CoreyD said:

Do you believe God resurrected Samuel to talk to Saul?

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What? Who said anything about resurrecting Samuel to talk to Saul?

CoreyD said:

This, after God refused to talk to Saul, and told Samuel not to, and Saul turned to a witch - a sorcerer, of which God said have no dealings?

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Are you seriously of the opinion that God cannot use a séance for his own purposes? Things pretty obviously did not go the way the witch had expected.

CoreyD said:

After this post Mark, where all you said was hitting a brick wall... that is, clashing against all the scriptures, these were my words to you, and really, there is nothing more I can add that will change the way it is.

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Show me point by point where what I said was "clashing against all the scriptures". All you see is me clashing against your use of scriptures. Did God tell Saul he would never again show him what's what via Samuel? Do you think, after Samuel died, that God would give him a choice whether or not to do what God had in mind concerning Saul? Samuel repeated what God told him before, that Saul was rejected and without hope, and added that Saul would die the next day.

Is it not possible that you are only adamant about your POV?

Hvizsgyak said:

Hopefully, they will banish ANTIFA too Siberia .

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We’re making ideologies “illegal” now?
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No.

rjs330 said:

Yes they are. They've asked for police assistance and the police have done nothing to help. I watched a journalist get attacked and she contacted the police who did not help her. In fact one officer contacted the suspect in tye case told her she was detained and then when the person and her friend demanded to not be touched the officer just let her walk away. The peraon was not arrested. Then later the journalist found her again and called the police and they told her they weren't coming and that she had to go to them.

A feckless, cowardly, useless piece of garbage organization.

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If I call the fire department and they send out a tanker-plane to douse my home with 5000 gallons of water, how is that “better”?