Aryeh Jay said:

Those rights should only be for law abiding citizens and not criminals.

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Criminals have become emboldened and even seem to have an entitlement mentality, thanks to soft on crime policies, particularly in blue states.

Lost4words said:

I used to believe in an old Earth. Not too sure now...

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May I ask what changed your mind? Was it anything to do with this thread, or something else previously said?

Job 33:6 said:

The key is to distinguish between that which is revelation from God, and that which is penmanship and context by the original authors. For example, language is one of the most obvious cases of this, the Bible switches between Hebrew, aramaic, and Greek. It's not God changing his mind between which language is best, it's part of the context of the person who's writing.

And the Bible has a lot of culturally specific concepts within it. Another popular one would be in the Old Testament when it says that a person is long of nose. It doesn't mean that a person literally has a long nose, rather an ancient culture. It's just a way of saying that a person is angry.

When you read the Bible, sometimes it's hard to see these things because English translations gloss over them, but you have to be able to identify concepts that were common of ancient culture versus concepts that are actually revealed by God that are being communicated through that culture.

And that's how you break it down. And once you do that, ancient Israelite cosmology sticks out like a sore thumb because It's a very common thing that was written about in many ancient writings, and it's very clearly spelled out in the Old Testament in the same way.

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I believe that is one of your problems, although by no means the only one.

Job 33:6 said:

Sorry, this is completely wrong.

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What is completely wrong?

• Hosea was written about 740 B.C.E... 773 years later than the exodus.
• Hosea was a prophet of God making prophetic utterances concerning the future of God's people.
• God's people are not the natural nation of Israel. This would take several scriptures, but read from Hosea 1 through to Hosea 14... actually do more than read it. Study it. Here are just a few scriptures to start you off: Hosea 1:2-11; Romans 9:6, 25, 26; 1 Peter 2:10; Matthew 21:43
• All the prophetic utterances, by the prophets (Hosea; Joel; Amos; Jeremiah; Isaiah; Ezekiel...) relate to future Israel... that is, the Israel of God. Galatians 6:16 Note please... I did not say these utterances did not apply in some way to ancient Israel. Prophetic utterances often had an initial and future fulfillment. They were two-fold. Mark 1:2; John 12:37-41; Romans 10:20;
• Matthew quoted Hosea in reference to Jesus the Messiah, so Hosea 11:1 does refer to Jesus, as well as Israel, when they were in captivity to Egypt.

Please explain what exactly is wrong.

Job 33:6 said:

Jesus was never in captivity under pharaoh in Egypt, among Moses and the isrealites of the book of Exodus.

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Did you read what I wrote?

• I did not say these utterances did not apply in some way to ancient Israel. Prophetic utterances often had an initial and future fulfillment. They were two-fold. Mark 1:2; John 12:37-41; Romans 10:20;
• Matthew quoted Hosea in reference to Jesus the Messiah, so Hosea 11:1 does refer to Jesus, as well as Israel, when they were in captivity to Egypt.

Matthew 2:15, 16
15 So he got up, took the Child and His mother by night, and withdrew to Egypt, 16 where he stayed until the death of Herod. This fulfilled what the Lord had spoken through the prophet: “Out of Egypt I called My Son.”
Only one prophet is reported to have said this, and Matthew referred to the prophet's words.

Are you saying Matthew is wrong?

Job 33:6 said:

Hosea 11:1 isn’t originally a prophecy about Jesus; in its own context, Hosea is looking back to the Exodus and describing how God called Israel—His “son”—out of Egypt, using their past to highlight their later unfaithfulness. Matthew quotes this verse not because Hosea predicted the Messiah, but because he uses typology, a common Jewish interpretive method where events in Israel’s history are seen as patterns that Jesus reenacts and completes. So Hosea is about Israel in its original meaning, and Matthew applies it to Jesus in a secondary, theological way—not as a literal two-fold prophecy.

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Is it not a prophecy?
Did Matthew not say This fulfilled what the Lord had spoken through the prophet: “Out of Egypt I called My Son.”

lismore said:

Hello!

And he answered them, “Whoever has two tunics is to share with him who has none, and whoever has food is to do likewise.” (Luke 3:11)

John said that whoever has two coats should give a coat to the person who has none. To me this suggests a freewill offering. Believers should not hoard more stuff than they can use but should give the extra stuff to those in need.

Is this distinct from a government mandate to take a very high tax rate by compulsion from the workers and to use it not necessarily for those in need?

The article I think is suggesting that tax rates are too high on low paid workers, they are struggling and that some people on benefits are better off than some who are working. There is no incentive to work. I remember seeing a post online from a UK worker who said it's Wednesday before he starts earning any money for himself, Monday and Tuesday's wage goes on tax.

God Bless

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How can that be?

I've heard socialism is the one with poverty; capitalism has none?

Or maybe it's that wealth is getting highly centralized and not flowing through the system and down to the workers very well. There is no incentive to work because PAY is poor. And if you are going to work HARD and be poor, you may as well be just as poor and not work.

The solution is wage increases.

But for some CRAZY reason, nobody complains about the private sector; just the government.

Oompa Loompa said:

So who is going to tell Asia (excl China), China, and India to stop polluting?

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Certainly not the United States, because Trump pulled us out of the Paris Climate Agreement (again).

I'm sorry, I was wrong.

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I bet pilots didn't go to NASA school of flying.

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FAITH-IN-HIM said:

How can someone know which scripture is accurate?

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I believe all scripture is truth. What that truth is can only be revealed through God's Spirit.

FAITH-IN-HIM said:

Does the Holy Spirit guide people to the correct one?

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The Spirit can but each person may read something different. What spirit guides them?

FAITH-IN-HIM said:

Here is what bible says

“ All scripture is inspired by God and useful for refuting error, for guiding people's lives and teaching them to be upright.” 2nd Timothy 3:16 ( Catholic Online version)

Either Paul was mistaken when he wrote this, or if he is correct, then everything in the Bible is inspired by the Holy Spirit and therefore accurate.

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It is truth and inspired by God. Accuracy may vary depending on the reader's spirit or , maybe, translations.

JohnClay said:

Well I didn't understand what it was saying. I think people would sometimes refer to a Bible commentary. I don't think it is a passage that has an obvious meaning. I liked how the AI explained that two of the passages are basically saying opposite things. I never would have realised that. Also I don't enjoy trying to make sense of hard to understand passages for myself.
I disagree that I can do better than Copilot. It can summarise all of the theological content on the internet and also clarify anything if I want it to. It can tell me the for and against arguments for anything theological.

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I appreciate you telling me that, thanks.

JohnClay said:

Is it saying that those in the Old Testament will be raised at the end times and all be judged by Jesus? (based on a couple of the words)

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Thanks for trying.
That was a great effort, and you did well - far better than Copilot, because you saw that these are not examples that will stand up, but actual people. This is why intelligent minds are better than AI.
You are correct. That is exactly what these texts are saying. Quite simply

The next step is to find out if this judgment is a day where people will line up before a throne, and sentence be read, after which, wrongdoers are punished.
I think you already recognize that cannot be the case, since the Queen of Sheba is spoken of in a positive way, as well as the Ninevites. In fact, even those in Sodom and Gomorrah, where that city and all in it was destroyed for gross sin, are all said to stand up "with this generation, and condemn it".

So then, how long is the judgment day?
Please read Luke 22:28-30; Revelation 20:4-6
Here, we see that Jesus judges with those chosen to rule with him for the thousand years, when the Devil is bound, so that he does not mislead the nations until the thousand years are ended. Revelation 20:1-4

Judgement day is a period of 1,000 years where all who return... actual people who lived in the land of Sodom and Gomorrah, Nineveh, Tyre and Sidon, .... the entire globe of unrighteous people, will be raised to, what Jesus calls, a resurrection of judgment. John 5:28, 29
What does this involve?

Revelation 20:12
12 And I saw the dead, the great and the small, standing before the throne, and [h]books were opened; and another [i]book was opened, which is the book of life; and the dead were judged from the things which were written in the [j]books, according to their deeds.

Of course, physically dead people cannot stand, so this scripture evidently refers to spiritually dead.
So, we can conclude that these are the same unrighteous people, that are raised to a resurrection of judgment.
The verse says these dead ones are judged from the things which were written in the books, according to their deeds.
The Bible does not say what these books are, but they are judged according to their deeds.
Since the judgment is 1,000 years their deeds would correspond with that period, and those books.

The next verse tells us they were judged, each one of them according to their deeds, and if anyone’s name was not found written in the book of life [the other book that was opened], he was thrown into the lake of fire... which means the second death. Revelation 20:13-15
That means, obviously, their deeds during the 1,000 years did not lead to righteousness.

So, after the 1,000 years, when Satan is loosed, and goes out to deceive the nations which are at the four corners of the earth, he gathers together a great number of them that is like the sand of the seashore. Revelation 20:7, 8
Their final outcome is the second death.
However, they were given an opportunity to learn righteousness and practice it.

The answer then, to your query regarding God's mercy for people in the Old Testament. Yes. Not only is it reasonable, it's scriptural, that God remembers unrighteous people who died before having the opportunity to put faith in Jesus Christ, and will resurrect these ones to life, so that they can learn the truth, and live by righteous deeds... if they so desire. Acts 24:15
Those spiritually dead ones who practice righteousness, will come to life spiritually, after the 1,000 years. Revelation 20:5

RainySunflower said:

Well, I used internet to point out some valid

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No valid pints that I saw.

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points, and you managed to beat exactly 0 of my points.

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I don’t need to beat nonsense since it is self defeating,

Hans Blaster said:

Influence and control are different things, Steve. You wanted to know who "controls" society. I gave the only answer that makes sense: No one. This is because no one person or group "controls" society, certainly not the government. Societies evolve under a wide variety of influences. When authoritarians *try* to control societies, their efforts break eventually.

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On the flip side, the assumption that someone must be in control (despite the lack of viable visible suspects) leads straight into conspiracy theory territory.

Hentenza said:

Take your pick. Nonsense is nonsense.

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That's what's annoying.

RainySunflower said:

Well, I used internet to point out some valid points, and you managed to beat exactly 0 of my points.

You are welcome. ^^

Btw.

" 45K gallons of radioactive water to be dumped into Hudson River from Indian Point nuclear plant "

Yeah, let's throw 45 000 gallons of radioactive waste in Hudson River, and then tell people they can't visit Antarctica cause of ...... You heard it right .....

ENVIREMENT PROTECTION.

Yeah, only 1d10t5 buy that ...

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You can spell out idiots on this website. You just can't directly call someone an idiot.

Well, I used internet to point out some valid points, and you managed to beat exactly 0 of my points.

You are welcome. ^^

Btw.

" 45K gallons of radioactive water to be dumped into Hudson River from Indian Point nuclear plant "

Yeah, let's throw 45 000 gallons of radioactive waste in Hudson River, and then tell people they can't visit Antarctica cause of ...... You heard it right .....

ENVIREMENT PROTECTION.

Yeah, only 1d10t5 buy that ...

Warden_of_the_Storm said:

I really cannot tell if troll, serious or very dedicated satire...

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Take your pick. Nonsense is nonsense.

SabbathBlessings said:

He says it verbatim, no need to edit Him like adding "Not one jot will pass away for the very reason that the law does not justify." which is no where in the passage striking out what Jesus said plainly Mat5:19.

I know we won' t agree that's okay, you can have the last word, I know His word it settled in heaven because He said it and no one is above Him to edit Him.

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I told you verbatim but your interpretation twists Jesus words.

I really cannot tell if troll, serious or very dedicated satire...

RainySunflower said:

I don't buy that. That is argument for 3rd grade of elementary school. ^^

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Couldn’t care less. For someone who praises the internet you sure don’t know how to use it.

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Average Joe can't go to Antarctica cause truth would be revealed.

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There you go. They even have a Black Friday sale.

Oompa Loompa said:

Or we can blow China back into the stone age. That will help save the world. Or we can do something about the all that nasty water vapor that is warming up the planet.

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Don't be so dramatic. We can afford to take some responsibility on this and lead by example.

Hentenza said:

They don’t fly over it because of the vast expanses where there are no services in case of an emergency, however, you can charter a plane to take you over it.

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I don't buy that. That is argument for 3rd grade of elementary school. ^^

Hentenza said:

We’ve been to Antartica. There are permanent bases in Antartica.

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Average Joe can't go to Antarctica cause truth would be revealed.

SabbathBlessings said:

Thats the issue, we are not God, what you say does not trump what God says May5:17-30

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The issue here is your interpretation not what Jesus is saying.

Yarddog said:

To whom is called. You cannot understand scripture without it being revealed through God's Holy Spirit.

Scripture says says many are called but few are chosen.

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How can someone know which scripture is accurate? Does the Holy Spirit guide people to the correct one?

Here is what bible says

“ All scripture is inspired by God and useful for refuting error, for guiding people's lives and teaching them to be upright.” 2nd Timothy 3:16 ( Catholic Online version)

Either Paul was mistaken when he wrote this, or if he is correct, then everything in the Bible is inspired by the Holy Spirit and therefore accurate.