1Tonne said:

. Scripture itself shows that apollumi is often used for ruin or loss without cessation of existence:

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Of course. The source of the spirit still exists and it merely returns to it.

ThatRobGuy said:

And anyone saying that he's the "worst president in the history of the country" is expressing an opinion...

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Reality is obviously taking a back seat for some. The man cannot drag the position of President any lower. Just look at his comments yesterday about Rob Reiner. He is truly beneath contempt.

Desk trauma said:

New to US politics?

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Call me a naive idiot, but I still believe or hope that there is some kernel of goodness in everybody.

BNR32FAN said:

So how do you explain Genesis 2:3 in conjunction with Exodus 20:11?

“Then God blessed the seventh day and sanctified it, because in it He rested from all His work which God had created and made.”
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“For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea and all that is in them, and rested on the seventh day; therefore the Lord blessed the sabbath day and made it holy.”
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These are parallel passages.

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When you say they are "parallel passages", can you elaborate a bit more on what you mean by that, thanks.

reddogs said:

We see the current deadly mass shooting on Bondi Beach in Sydney Australia. What motivated such hatred, how could they kill so many innocent people? What we see, is basically a attack much like the Pogroms of old, to wipe out the Jews.

Antisemitism in the form of persecution and Pogroms were happening way before the Holocaust, and everyone knows what happened in 1492 in Spain, but something else happened that year. In 1492, King Ferdinand II of Aragon and Queen Isabella I of Castille issue the Alhambra Decree, mandating that all Jews be expelled from the country. History records what happened, "Spanish Jews were forced to renounce their faith or leave their thousand-year homeland behind. Meanwhile, the Spanish economy crumbled as hundreds of thousands prepared for departure, liquidating their assets and scrambling to arrange their affairs."

This had started even earlier back a century before, in 1391, when a wave of anti-Jewish riots swept through Spain, where thousands were killed. Others were forced to accept Christianity, so you can see the problem with the sincerity of these "conversions", so many of these "converts" now became persecuted by the Inquisition. And everyone knows the Roman persecution of the Jews leading up to the destruction of Jerusalem in AD 70, and millions being killed or were exiled or fled for their lives.

So why was there such hatred of the Jews, it cant be explained by the accusation that the Jews were Christ-killers., as anti-Jewish riots swept through Roman Empire as Christians were dying in the Coliseum and spread even in non-Christian areas. So what made them different than the people in the other nations and areas, well the day of worship certainly made them stand out and distinct to say the least.

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Antisemitism (hatred against Jewish people) is a complex issue with various historical, social, economic, and religious roots, distinct from hating someone for a specific action; it targets the identity and existence of Jewish people.

Common factors contributing to antisemitism throughout history include:

Religious Differences: The historical Christian claim that Jews were responsible for killing Jesus has been a major source of religious anti-Judaism and subsequent antisemitism.

Economic and Social Stereotypes: Jews have often been stereotyped as having control over global systems or being involved in usury, leading to resentment and discrimination.

Perceived "Otherness": Jewish communities often maintained distinct cultural and religious practices, which led to their being viewed as an "alien element" within host societies, fostering suspicion and isolation.

Governments can and do fuel antisemitism including Israel themselves

Governments throughout history and in the present have fueled antisemitism through policies, propaganda, and inaction, with well-documented examples from regimes like Nazi Germany, the Soviet Union, and modern Russia.

This includes state-sponsored discrimination, conspiracy theories, and failure to address rising hatred.

Regarding Israel specifically, critics argue that certain Israeli government actions and rhetoric—such as policies in Gaza, Lebanon, and Syria, or conflating anti-Zionism/anti-Israel criticism with antisemitism—have contributed to a global surge in antisemitic incidents by associating all Jews with those policies, thereby fueling backlash against Jewish communities worldwide.

Others contend this is a misuse of the term antisemitism to deflect legitimate criticism, but the perception persists in public discourse and has been linked to increased violence against Jews.

Valletta said:

There's only one God, Our Creator, who created us all. As to the laws, there is debate and laws will vary. The laws that you mention are based on moral values of our culture.

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That's the issue. How do we know what the moral values of "our culture" are?

Valletta said:

For example, we do not accept marriages at age 11. There are plenty of secular governments our government was founded upon the recognition that our rights come from our Creator.

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Who was that?

stevevw said:

But I think in both cases this was a human created movement designed to make Gods Kingdom an earthly power.

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Except the concept of Kingdom was made over in the traditional form of earthly power and "His will be done in earth" no longer existed. All this can be theirs and they took it.

eleos1954 said:

"Had he died in Herod's massacre, wouldn't God have resurrected him then ?"

Prophesy MUST be fulfilled. God's knows the beginning to the end ... and Jesus death was prophesied

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i marked your preceeding post with a winner icon for this

eleos1954 said:

If prophesy is not fulfilled it makes God out to be a liar.

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This is my second winner icon, for the preceeding quotation !

In France we say : Never a 2 without a 3.
Think next i 'll have to propose your candidature for a medal !

bling said:

Let us look at Acts 19:1-3

2 and asked them, “Did you receive the Holy Spirit when you believed?” They answered, “No, we have not even heard that there is a Holy Spirit.” 3 So Paul asked, “Then what baptism did you receive?” “John’s baptism,” they replied.

Paul asks the question: “Did you receive the Holy Spirit…”. When you go through Paul’s letters he make the distinction between Christians and non-Christians (Jews or Gentiles) to be the indwelling Holy Spirit, so this would be his question. Also, the indwelling Holy Spirit comes with, “when you first believed” with no transition period.

Paul than asked a rhetorical question, “Then what baptism did you receive?” Which Paul would realize the only baptism they could receive was John’s water baptism, so he has an introduction to talk briefly about John. Paul is also so a relationship between baptism and the Holy Spirit, but this does not mean Paul is referencing the baptism of the holy Spirit.

Paul also says Acts 19:4… “John’s baptism was a baptism of repentance. He told the people to believe in the one coming after him, that is, in Jesus.” So, these 12 had heard about the Messiah (Jesus) to come later from John and were not in need of a lengthy gospel message.

Acts 19: 5 “On hearing this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.” That is the same description used in Acts 8: 16 because the Holy Spirit had not yet come on any of them; they had simply been baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.

Being “Baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus” does not mean you received “Holy Spirit baptism”.

The next verse is not a continuation of the baptism using the Greek grammar, no scholar makes the laying on of hands the baptism, they are two separate acts the same as we see in Acts 8: 17 “Then Peter and John placed their hands on them, and they received the Holy Spirit.” Exact same scenario.

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you said"Being “Baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus” does not mean you received “Holy Spirit baptism”."

I agree, so what is you point here?

you saidAlso, the indwelling Holy Spirit comes with, “when you first believed” with no transition period."

These believed, yet they did not receive the Holy Spirit. Note, this passage below is still the OT. This is the before. Acts is the after.

John 7:38-39 He who believes in Me, as the Scripture has said, out of his heart will flow rivers of living water." But this He spoke concerning the Spirit, whom those believing in Him would receive; for the Holy Spirit was not yet given, because Jesus was not yet glorified.

Before Christ is glorified, and after. Before, no Holy Spirit given, after Holy Spirit given. That's a transition. That transition ushers in all God's Promises from the OT. That transition waited for the death, resurrection, and ascension of Jesus, as Scripture told us.

the transition is clear. John foretold of it. We are reminded of this in the beginning of Acts. That's the transition. Before the cross is the before, after the cross is the after. It wasn't like a light switch, there were things that had to play out and deliberately so as was noted already in my previous posts. This is called the transition Period.

bling said:

That is not what we are seeing in both Acts 8 and Acts 19.

The problem of different languages still exist today, so if we are still being baptized with the Holy Spirit, why do we not have the miraculous ability to speak different languages?

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You do not speak in "languages" because the sign is no longer needed.

bling said:

Why do people baptized with the Holy Spirit not have miraculous powers to obviously raise people from the dead, heal, drink poison, and so on.

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Signs of the Apostles.

bling said:

Answer my ending question: “Was Jesus physically water baptized as an example for us?”

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Yes.

bling said:

So, we are to water Baptize new believers for some reason?

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A public testimony. An outward expression physically that symbolizes a spiritual reality inwardly that has already taken place the moment we first believe. That inward reality was not available for believers until after the cross. Some were due that Promise, some were predestined to believe the Gospel as True OT believers, and only then receive the promise. Thus we see that play out in Acts.

bling said:

I have no problem with the idea: “Water baptism comes after that fact”, since God does the saving. In my first post I gave lots of good reasons to be water baptized and know how it has helped me and others.

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But it didn't save, and people who do not get water baptized are not disqualified.

Out of time...

Oompa Loompa said:

I guess you raise a good point. Guns saving lives is so prevalent that it is no different than someone surviving a car accident due to its safety features. Just remember that next time there is a shooting and people start screaming about gun control.

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I'll be sure to let the parents of all the dead school children know how great guns are and how gun control would have caused their childrens' deaths... later.

Nothing there is new and could be derived from their public appearances. If MAGA is ok with that, this article should not be a shock to anyone paying attention.

d taylor said:

It is not hard to find information about what you are asking about.

John Alexander Dowie - Wikipedia

Wilbur Glenn Voliva - Wikipedia

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Does not exactly lend credibility to @Apple Sky 's video, does it.

bling said:

If you take away our free will, are we really the same person?
How can we make a free will choice to Love God and others with our whole being if we do not have free will?

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First comes temptation ... then the fall. There will be no temptation to sin when we get to heaven ... there is no temptation to sin in heaven.

If satan had not tempted Adam & Eve ... would they have sinned? No

If satan had not tempted the angels to sin would they have sinned? No

I don't want to sin ... but I sometimes yield to the temptation of satan and I do sin .... and I ask for forgiveness and repentance ... thank you Lord Jesus for your love and grace. AMEN!!

Looking forward to the day this no longer happens and won't even cross my mind. AMEN!!!

Our freewill in heaven and going forward will be for good only. Our will being in line with that of the creator.

AstralHammer said:

@CoreyD
War of Rights – American Civil War FPS with muzzle loaders and bayonets – Blood is part of combat. It is not a focal point like in games that glorify blood and gore. This is PVP.
Star Citizen – space mmo – Combat yes. I have not seen any gore or blood yet.
Albion Online – mmorpg – Combat, yes. Gore are blood, no. There is a lot of PVP content.
Myth of Empires -– sandbox survival game inspired by the Ancient East – No player worship. I have not seen any gore and blood like many other titles. There is PVP content.
Corepunk –- Open world mmorpg - I did some deeper dives into this one and uncovered worship and very sexual dialogue.
Avorion –- co-op space and spaceship game- I have not dug deep enough yet.
…and Bellatores being released in 2026 – I am still researching this one.

Since joining this topic, I have already removed Corepunk from the list of games I am interested in playing. It doesn’t fit into what I am looking for because of the worship and sexual dialog.

The violence in the games that are so far staying on my list don’t align to what you find in GTA, Left for Dead, Manhunt, etc. It’s combat mechanics that don’t evoke the same response one would get from real life violence. Games like GTA, you just know it is wrong.

I really don’t associate the content in the above games as something promoting wickedness. I also don’t think the PVP content in these games is bad either. As far as War of Rights and Myth of Empires is concerned, possible even Albion Online should be in this remark, violence is prominent in the game, but again, it’s not the type of violence that evokes the same response from real life or even reading about it where it hurts to know it is happening. Or from games that glorify in an ugly way like the games like GTA and others would.

These are my thoughts for the now.

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Thanks.
I leave it to each person to decide, but I just wanted to make clear that there are certain thing that must be unanimous among the body of Christ, and appreciate hearing how you felt about...

1. Does the game promote violence? For example, is violence the primary feature, or prominent in the game?
2. If a violent act takes place, is it graphic? For example, if an act of violence takes place, is it an explicit and uncensored depiction, or is it more like... give me a couple days to find one.
3. How might Bible principles such as Psalm 11:5; Isaiah 2:2-4; Matthew 26:52 help me decide?
4. What about playing a game where the player has to kill giants or other creatures...Like the many senseless games out there.?

Thanks for sharing. So...

1. Where do you draw the line for "promoting violence"?
2. How do you apply Psalm 11:5; Isaiah 2:2-4; Matthew 26:52 in the context of video games?

I'll take a look at the games on your list, in the meantime.

A2SG said:

Kindly provide evidence of this bias or favoritism

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Nah. I think I'll pass.
I have grown weary via.. the "James Comey Dec 2016 - Jan 2017" tactics that are continually used against my posts here.

lismore said:

I agree! Sadly I think in the days we're living in many churches don't have a Biblical Worldview. As the bible says:

2 Timothy 3:1 But mark this: There will be terrible times in the last days.

I think many of the pagan things we see Christians fixating on in wintertime is a feature of the above verse.

God Bless

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What I find interesting when you read the 7 letters to the churches .... you'll find your church participating in one or more of their admonishments.

Nothing new under the sun.

samaus123456789 said:

Here is my list of NT texts outside the protestant canon that are inspired.

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- Any text that is considered to be possibly inspired will not disagree with the rest of canon. It will not create a contradiction.

- Any text that is considered to be possibly inspired will have the imprint of The Holy Spirit in it and create a quickening effect when read.

Michie said:

James Woods has slammed Donald Trump over his 'distasteful' comments about Rob Reiner despite being one of Hollywood's most outspoken supporters of the President.

The 78-year-old praised Reiner - a staunch liberal - for saving his career and being a 'Godsend in my life' during his Monday night appearance on Fox News's Jesse Watters Primetime.

The actor also hit out at Reiner's critics, claiming that although their politics did not align, the murdered filmmaker does not deserve to be spoken poorly of.

'I judge people by how they treat me, and Rob Reiner was a Godsend in my life. We got along great, we loved each other… He was always on my side,' Woods said.

'When people would say to me, "What do you think of his politics?" I would say, "I think Rob Reiner is a great patriot." Do I agree on many of his ideas on how that patriotism should be enacted, to celebrate the America that we both love? No.

'He doesn't agree with me either, but he also respects my patriotism. We had a different path to the same destination, which was a country we both love.'

Woods further argued that saying 'horrible things' about Reiner is 'infuriating and distasteful,' adding: 'Because you disagree with people doesn't mean that you have to hate people.'

Continued below.

MAGA Hollywood actor slams Trump for Rob Reiner slurs as he tears up

James Woods has slammed Donald Trump over his 'distasteful' comments about Rob Reiner.

www.dailymail.co.uk

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well ... I would agree with Woods ... however it is also true that Reiner said some very vile things as well ... the reality is people are going to say and/or do hateful things .... the depravity of mankind.

Sin taints every aspect of a person—mind, heart, will, body, emotions—leaving no part uncorrupted by its effects.

I try to dismiss the hateful things someone might say and try to see what the substance they are talking about is without it (the main point). Tuff to do sometimes and sometimes there is no substance.

rebornfree said:

Are you able to do it online Rescued On?

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Sometimes I hunt for online preaching.

Why Is It So Hard for Christians to Talk About Justice and Greed?​

Am I suppose to?

BobRyan said:

Nope. Since all Christians freely admit "Do not take God's name in vain" was valid going all the way back to Genesis 2.

Sabbath "MADE for mankind and not mankind MADE for the Sabbath" Mark 2:27 speaks of the making of BOTH in Gen 1-2. Obviously.

You have been working very hard to sidestep the obvious.

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Already addressed Mark 2:37-28 and you ignored it so not wasting my time again. Seems that you only quoted small portions of my posts that you think you can attack but it doesn’t work.

There is nothing in Gen. 1-2 that help your case. And even if you try you still have to remember that no one knew or read Genesis or even the full Torah until the 15th century BCE. And even then, you still have no verse that shows anyone keeping the sabbath before Moses. In the last post I showed you how the Jews collecting Manna for the sabbath had no idea what they were doing until Moses told them. That alone proves that no one before Moses kept the sabbath. It’s really that simple.

BobRyan said:

And it is sad since almost all of your sunday keeping groups agree in their confessions of faith that this is the case with the TEN.

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Never had a problem with the 10 or argued against them so this is a Strawman. I’ve explained many times before that 9 of the 10 were repeated into Jesus 2 love commandments and Jesus is the Lord of the sabbath so the 4th commandment is now the rest in Christ and no longer in a day. Christ is God and perfectly capable to give us a new covenant with whatever terms He wishes.

BobRyan said:

But you have free will and can choose to ignore all the scripture that you wish, of course.

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And you have the “free” will to reject legalism and the law and enjoy the freedom in Christ. Let go of the yoke of the law.

“It was for freedom that Christ set us free; therefore keep standing firm and do not be subject again to a yoke of slavery. Look! I, Paul, tell you that if you have yourselves circumcised, Christ will be of no benefit to you. And I testify again to every man who has himself circumcised, that he is obligated to keep the whole Law.”
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BobRyan said:

Text please. speaking about what Abraham knew after his death.

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I actually misposted here. I meant to say that Abraham before his death did not know that Moses would be the one to record the Mosaic law. My apologies. I fixed it on the quoted post also.

BobRyan said:

"Gathered to my fathers" statements is not about "meeting and partying". It is about going to the same place

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So what do you think that entails? Use evidence not gut feeling.

BobRyan said:

the book of Genesis is not a transcript of every word spoken for the first 2000 years of human history, as almost all of us know

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Even so you can’t just make it up just because you want to. You are making an argument from silence.

rjs330 said:

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Actually I didn't. But you can think so if you wish.

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You said:

Muslims have placed themselves there. They have placed themselves in the exclusionary camp because they fail to assimilate. Why? Because of their religion, which rejects western ideology, culture and values. They seek to alter the western way and change it to the Islamist way. They come from third world countries with their uneducated backgrounds and their third world values and culture that is guided by their religious belief systems, they cant speak the language and separate themselves from the western civilization and demand we change OUR ways and you want to blame the west? How nonsensical is that?

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The Know-Nothing: And American Crusader, 1854:

We must not let this fact go-by—the Roman Catholics are bound to serve their Church before their Country.

What is the practical and inevitable result of such a system in this country? Why, that every Catholic stands committed as an enemy to the Republic. In such a character, base as it is—reeking all over, soaked all through with a religion that countenance crime; with principals that are shocked at no extremity of corruption— their whole effect is to pull down Republicanism and bolster up Romanism. This it does. It is seen. The thing is plain. It can't be otherwise. A man who is a Roman Catholic is not a Republican. He can't be. Calling fish, flesh, don't make it so. Hence whatever is told you of Catholicism as favorable to all that is American, put no faith in it. The Pope of Rome says America must be crushed—and all political economists of any note or weight, agree that if it is ever crushed, it will be by Romanism.

Let us remember these matters. Let us regard every Roman Catholic as an enemy to the country—and so treat him. He is nothing else.

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Have fun.

Bob S said:

Antinomianism, definition and a Question "is this you"?​

Definition for "Antinomianism" AI: Antinomianism is a term used in Christian theology to describe the belief that, because salvation is granted by divine grace through faith, believers are not bound by the moral law of God, including the Ten Commandments (which were given to only one nation on Earth, Israel.)

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I wish to inform you that I do not fit the description of one of those because I am truly bound by Jesus' command to LOVE OTHERS AS HE LOVES US. That is exactly what the laws of morality mankind is under. If we love Him who was sent to save man, we will abide by His commands, not the defunct Torah that ended with the coming of the New and better covenant of Grace and Love.

My allegiance is to Jesus, not Moses and the old covenant. Amen!

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You of course inserted your own "Bob S" definition for Antinomianism possibly because the actual definition does not fit your own preference.

I choose Christ instead of that method

Christ said
1. Mark 2:27 "The Sabbath was made for mankind , not mankind made for the Sabbath" , which speaks of the making of BOTH mankind AND the Sabbath in Gen 1-2.

2. Is 66:23 all mankind observes Sabbath in New Earth
3. Gen 2:2-3 is the origin of the Sabbath commandment according to Christ in Ex 20:11 (Hint Heb 8 says Christ is speaking at Sinai)
4. Luke 16 Christ said that people that reject Moses will not listen even if someone rises from the Dead (hint: Christ)
5. Christ condemns the teaching that tries to do away with the Law of God

No wonder antinomianism gets such a bad wrap. The Bible rejects it


yeah "the real" antinomianism so fully refuted in Christianity

Shane R said:

Probably. Christmas has been so thoroughly marketed as a family day and taken over by football and basketball that a lot of churches, even liturgical churches, cancel anyway. I haven't presided a Christmas Day service since I left Virginia; no one wants it. The last time Christmas fell on a Sunday there was some snow out but not a lot. I had a terrible time finding somewhere to take my kids. The Romans had pared down there usual 3 Mass schedule to only 1. I ended taking them to a Lessons & Carols service at the local Methodist Church.

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That is really sad, although well done for finding the Lessons and Carols. Midnight Mass that actually runs anywhere near midnight is getting harder to find in the UK, and it does not work for me to be done by 11:00pm.