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eclipsenow · 2025-11-23T21:28:21-0600

Marilyn C said:
The Lord sent His Holy Spirit to guide us into all the truth of the Lord`s character and His purposes. (John 16: 12)

Character.

Thus we read of the Lord in the midst of the churches as the Head of His Body, the one who is the First and Last, risen from the dead, He who is the word of God, (sharp two-edged sword) the very Son of God, who has the Holy Spirit (7 fold Spirit) who is holy and true the Amen and faithful and true witness. Quite a description there.

Then we move on to seeing the Lord on His own throne the Father set up, (Ps. 2: 6 Rev. 4: 2) with His body, (Rev. 4: 4) and the Lord worshipped by angels and the Body of Christ.

Purposes.

It is a throne of judgment with `lightnings, thundering and voices..` (Rev. 4: 5) Then the Father gives His Son the scroll with what will be judged by the Son. (John5: 27) From then on we read of the judgments .................till all things new.

So I don`t read as in `toughen up princess.`

You're smothering the question with other theology. Good points - as far as I can tell.

But not answering the main question I ask futurists.

Are you a futurist still? Maybe I'm speaking at cross purposes.

How has the majority of this book been relevant to the church if it's mainly about the last generation that will ever live?

John's friends in Asia Minor were being fed to lions, and futurists would pretend he says "You think that's bad - wait till you see what's coming in 2000 years!"

essentialsaltes · 2025-11-23T21:17:59-0600

The girl pleaded not to go.

She fought with her father on the drive over, screaming and crying in his truck until they arrived at the office building for Bruckelmyer Brothers, a home construction company on the outskirts of Duluth, Minnesota. She was just entering her first years of grade school.

In the office, two men were waiting. One of them was Clint Massie, who the girl had recently told her parents had touched her genitals and groped her under her shirt. The other was Daryl Bruckelmyer, a preacher and leader of the Old Apostolic Lutheran Church down the road, where the girl’s family worshipped. Massie was a respected member of the congregation. Bruckelmyer had asked them all to the meeting, according to the girl’s account to police years later.

In front of the girl, her father and Bruckelmyer, Massie asked her for forgiveness. Looming over her, the three men wept. Then the girl’s dad and preacher allowed the man who had been sexually abusing her since kindergarten to hug her.

“It was one of the worst things ever,” she told police some 15 years later.

Over the course of about 20 years in two states, Massie had, according to court documents and by his own admission, sexually abused children within the Old Apostolic Lutheran Church, or OALC, community. He touched girls under blankets when their parents were present, in the backseat of a car with other passengers — even in the pews at church. His abuse was such an open secret among the tight-knit congregation that mothers warned their daughters to stay away from him.

[Church leaders knew] But they never reported Massie’s crimes to police, as required by the law. Instead, Bruckelmyer and other leaders in the church encouraged the victims to take part in forgiveness sessions — which allowed Massie, now 50, to continue abusing children, according to an investigation by the Minnesota Star Tribune and ProPublica.

...

The investigator now had two victims. They gave him the names of others they suspected had also been abused by Massie. Kleffman tried to contact them, but some were reluctant to cooperate. One woman told Kleffman that Massie had asked for forgiveness. The sin, she said in the recorded call, was “washed away in the blood of reconciliation.”

“It is gone forever,” she told Kleffman.

“So you’re following what the church says to do,” Kleffman replied.

“I am following what God says to do,” the woman told him, before hanging up.

stevevw · 2025-11-23T21:17:08-0600

This is partly due to social media which allows anyone to gather influence over large groups and spread their message. This has been cultivated for years now. The idea that minorities can rise up and disrupt entire cities.

But also I think how there is a loss of respect for authority which has been cultivated into recent generations. It began with making young people adults before their time. Giving them rights over their own parents. Promoting defiance of authority in the name of individual rights.

The idea being promoted that you have to stand out and make a noise to be noticed. That disruption gets you attention. That this is a legitimate form of action.

That doing the wrong thing does not lead to any bad consequences. Even rewarded. Weak on crime, policies that send the message that there is no punishment for wrong doing in the name of some good intentioned protection of the volnurable.

The inevitable breakdown of the family and fatherless children. Especially young males. The promotion of radical ideology in place of long held truths based on biblical principles.

This makes for a perfect storm of societal breakdown.

ThatRobGuy · 2025-11-23T21:06:56-0600

Chesterton said:
See, this is an example of where you need more complete information. Gypsy has/had mental illness and shouldn't even be mentioned in the same sentence as Nick. Would Nick ever refer to himself as a "gypsy"?

Gypsy is a guy who got jumped while videoing at an Antifa rally, and when he (along side of a few members of the Proud Boys fought back and messed some of them up pretty bad), he was the one who got arrested and charged with assault.

I can sympathize with his frustration... he ran 6 blocks and hid multiple times trying to avoid a fight, but when he was cornered and couldn't run and hide anymore, he put some of his professional kickboxing experience to use.

He dresses as the Juaquin Phoenix version of the joker for a reason (someone who's been wronged and had their life ruined, and then went crazy), and says "My message to all other white people, you're one bad day away from becoming me"

I'm not unfamiliar with his backstory.

He should be mentioned in the same sentence in Fuentes because they both have similar views about Jews and Black people (for the same reasons), Fuentes is just a little bit better about not using works that start with K and N to refer to them on their videos.

Chesterton said:
I apologize. I didn't mean any personal insult, but I can see how it sounded that way.

I'd like to discuss how America should behave as every other country outside of the West behaves - in its own interest.

I have no problem with an "America first" message in a pure sense.

But when that gets dovetailed into a "and this why we should be walled off from any peoples who aren't white Christians", that's where it goes off the rails.

Chesterton said:
Again, sorry. The last couple of weeks you've seemed interested in the "Fuentes phenomenon". You've written a lot about it, I thought you might be interested in spending some time listening to a clear explanation of it.

Is there something specific to which you'd like to hear a counterpoint?

I'm familiar with him...

He views himself as a "racialist" and not a "racist"

The distinction being a perceived difference in "willful malicious intent", but that's not any different in terms of practical outcomes for the policies that get advocated for.

So (by Fuentes' own definitions)

A racist would say: "I hate Blacks, Jews, and Arabs because they're different than me"

A "racialist" would say: "Sure, Blacks are generally lazy, will commit crimes against other people to get by, and Jews will try to control the money and manipulate everyone to preserve their own ethno state, but that's just because it's ingrained in their DNA, they can't help it, it's not a conscience choice...it's no different than a person being 5'2 instead of 6'0 or being born with red hair"
(which is why Fuentes will do interviews with the Hodge Twins and Candace Owens and be friendly to them)

But the friendliness comes from a place of condescension. He'll talk to them the same way a lot of people would talk to someone who's mentally retarded.

And the end result, in terms of policy conclusions, are the same, which is "the races need to be separated, white people need to have their areas, and black people need to have their areas, and we just need to stay separate and do our own thing"

sovereigngrace · 2025-11-23T21:02:39-0600

Douggg said:
Paul was saying that of the Jews - a person who is truly a Jew is one inwardly - by believing in Jesus.

Paul was not saying that a Gentile by virtue of believing in Jesus is a Jew.

The only thing that matters is if a person is a Christian or not. Believers in Jesus are Christians. Just go with that.

Can you answer these simple questions?

1. The Bible says we (the redeemed of all nations and ethnic groups) have been grafted into 'an Israeli tree' (Romans 9-11). Is that an ethnic or spiritual tree?
2. The Bible says we who were once aliens from the "citizenship of Israel" have now been brought in through the blood of Christ to that privileged place (Ephesians 2). Is that ethnic or spiritual Israel?
3. The Bible says that Jew and Gentile alike, have now been graciously merged together into "the Israel of God" (Galatians 6:15-16). Is that ethnic or spiritual Israel?
4. The Bible says we are 'Jews' and we are "the circumcision" today (Romans 2:25-29; Philippians 3:3 and Colossians 2:11). Is that ethnic or spiritual Jews?
5. The Bible says we are "the children of Abraham" (Romans 4:11; 4:13-15; 4:16-18; 9:6-8; Galatians 3:7-9; 3:12-14; 3:16 and 3:26-29) today. Are we the ethnic or spiritual "children of Abraham"?
6. The Bible says we now reside and abide in "Jerusalem" and "Mount Zion" (Matthew 21:42-46; John 3:3; Romans 9:33; 11:26; Ephesians 1:3; Ephesians 2:4-6; Philippians 3:20; Hebrews 12:22 and 1 Peter 2:5-10). Is that natural physical earthly "Jerusalem" and "Mount Zion" or is that spiritual heavenly "Jerusalem" and "Mount Zion"?

essentialsaltes · 2025-11-23T21:02:02-0600

jonojim1337 said:
Let’s talk avoid how Einstein had to rewrite the laws of physics to explain why no motion of the earth was detected.

Galileo did it centuries earlier. We all experience it every day in cars or trains or planes. If you spill your coffee at 500 mph, it falls in your lap, not toward the back of the cabin.

RabbiJames · 2025-11-23T21:01:01-0600

HAPPY THANKSGIVING DAY? or HAPPY TURKEY DAY?

As we approach one of our favorite times to celebrate with family, friends, and in-laws, we think about this special time called "Thanksgiving." Yet we hear of some calling it "Turkey Day". So which is it? "Thanksgiving" or "Turkey Day?" Which is correct? Well, let's think about it for a bit.

We celebrate Thanksgiving on the 4th Thursday of November, yet this was not the original date. It was set as the 4th Thursday of November by the US Congress in 1941. So, when was the first Thanksgiving celebrated in the Massachusetts Colony in 1621? No one knows for sure. We believe it was between the end of September and mid-November, when the crops were gathered in. It wasn't a one-day festival of celebration, but rather a three-day celebration.

It was similar to the Biblical Feast of Tabernacles or Sukkot, which is celebrated between the end of September and mid-October. During this time Israel praised God for the crops and blessings bestowed upon them by God. The Feast of Tabernacles or Sukkot is celebrated every year for 7 days, and one extra day.

So, let's talk about the food at the first Thanksgiving late in the year of 1621. We know that the native Americans of the Wampanoag tribe were a God sent, Squanto being the mediator. After a disastrous 1620, the Wampanoags helped them farm and grow vegetables, so, besides wild turkeys, they also had venison, or "deer meat" hunted by the Indians, so, why not call it "Deer Day?" or "Pumpkin Day?" after all, they probably had those too. The menu probably consisted of: "wild turkey, deer meat, corn, squash, bay oysters, clams, and fish. But everyone seems to be focused on the Turkeys. What's with that, you turkey?

It's great to feast on oven-roasted turkeys, stuffing, and all the trimmings, and have the friends and family over, and eat pumpkin pie, pecan pie, apple pie, or whatever pie you like. (Here in El Salvador, those are nonexistent) You have to make them from scratch. Everyone sits down after dinner, watches football on the tube, and grandpa goes to sleep in the easy chair, and the football game watches grandpa instead.

It's great to have this good time, but let's give thanks to whom thanks is owed, not to the creation (the turkey) but to the creator (God).
Yes, he created the turkeys and the rest of the birds on day 5 of creation, yet HE is the creator and to HIM must we give thanks.

When Thanksgiving comes around this Thursday, a good idea might be a table discussion of why we are thankful; the football game can wait. I would probably be like grandpa, asleep in the chair while the football game is going on. Sports are boring to me, unless I can actually play in the game personally.

Well, let's see. What do we have to be thankful for? Well, we have food on the table and we have our health to eat the food. We have money to buy the food, and we must have jobs to make the money to buy the food. We thank God that we have families, which makes working and providing for them all worthwhile. We have clothing because I doubt we sit around the dinner table in our birthday suits. We have homes where we live, and even AC in some places (not here, only at the Malls, in the banks, and in the supermarkets). We have fresh air to breathe (I guess that depends on where you live), we have parks, and places for R & R (here, the ocean for swimming and surfing). We have our congregations where we go to receive God's WORD.

Yet we also have something precious we can not buy, and that is the gift of Salvation through Jesus Christ (Yeshua HaMashiach) and the promise of eternal life with HIM in Heaven, and a place set aside for us to live by his side for all eternity. We have the abilities through the Holy Spirit (Ruach HaKodesh) to serve the LORD while we are Earth-bound, and we can look forward to eternal Shalom and fellowship with God forever.

So yes, Happy Thanksgiving to all.

(best result, bake the turkey in an oven bag, that way, it won't dry out) Here. The best we can hope for is slices of turkey ham from the deli, or a small smoked, boneless turkey (that usually costs more than we care to spend).

RabbiJames · 2025-11-23T20:57:59-0600

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HAPPY THANKSGIVING DAY? or HAPPY TURKEY DAY?

As we approach one of our favorite times to celebrate with family, friends, and in-laws, we think about this special time called "Thanksgiving." Yet we hear of some calling it "Turkey Day". So which is it? "Thanksgiving" or "Turkey Day?" Which is correct? Well, let's think about it for a bit.

We celebrate Thanksgiving on the 4th Thursday of November, yet this was not the original date. It was set as the 4th Thursday of November by the US Congress in 1941. So, when was the first Thanksgiving celebrated in the Massachusetts Colony in 1621? No one knows for sure. We believe it was between the end of September and mid-November, when the crops were gathered in. It wasn't a one-day festival of celebration, but rather a three-day celebration.

It was similar to the Biblical Feast of Tabernacles or Sukkot, which is celebrated between the end of September and mid-October. During this time Israel praised God for the crops and blessings bestowed upon them by God. The Feast of Tabernacles or Sukkot is celebrated every year for 7 days, and one extra day.

So, let's talk about the food at the first Thanksgiving late in the year of 1621. We know that the native Americans of the Wampanoag tribe were a God sent, Squanto being the mediator. After a disastrous 1620, the Wampanoags helped them farm and grow vegetables, so, besides wild turkeys, they also had venison, or "deer meat" hunted by the Indians, so, why not call it "Deer Day?" or "Pumpkin Day?" after all, they probably had those too. The menu probably consisted of: "wild turkey, deer meat, corn, squash, bay oysters, clams, and fish. But everyone seems to be focused on the Turkeys. What's with that, you turkey?

It's great to feast on oven-roasted turkeys, stuffing, and all the trimmings, and have the friends and family over, and eat pumpkin pie, pecan pie, apple pie, or whatever pie you like. (Here in El Salvador, those are nonexistent) You have to make them from scratch. Everyone sits down after dinner, watches football on the tube, and grandpa goes to sleep in the easy chair, and the football game watches grandpa instead.

It's great to have this good time, but let's give thanks to whom thanks is owed, not to the creation (the turkey) but to the creator (God).
Yes, he created the turkeys and the rest of the birds on day 5 of creation, yet HE is the creator and to HIM must we give thanks.

When Thanksgiving comes around this Thursday, a good idea might be a table discussion of why we are thankful; the football game can wait. I would probably be like grandpa, asleep in the chair while the football game is going on. Sports are boring to me, unless I can actually play in the game personally.

Well, let's see. What do we have to be thankful for? Well, we have food on the table and we have our health to eat the food. We have money to buy the food, and we must have jobs to make the money to buy the food. We thank God that we have families, which makes working and providing for them all worthwhile. We have clothing because I doubt we sit around the dinner table in our birthday suits. We have homes where we live, and even AC in some places (not here, only at the Malls, in the banks, and in the supermarkets). We have fresh air to breathe (I guess that depends on where you live), we have parks, and places for R & R (here, the ocean for swimming and surfing). We have our congregations where we go to receive God's WORD.

Yet we also have something precious we can not buy, and that is the gift of Salvation through Jesus Christ (Yeshua HaMashiach) and the promise of eternal life with HIM in Heaven, and a place set aside for us to live by his side for all eternity. We have the abilities through the Holy Spirit (Ruach HaKodesh) to serve the LORD while we are Earth-bound, and we can look forward to eternal Shalom and fellowship with God forever.

So yes, Happy Thanksgiving to all.

(best result, bake the turkey in an oven bag, that way, it won't dry out) Here. The best we can hope for is slices of turkey ham from the deli, or a small smoked, boneless turkey (that usually costs more than we care to spend).

The Liturgist · 2025-11-23T20:57:29-0600

bbbbbbb said:
As for the Bavarian bishops, you probably know their history. Bavarian Catholicism has had a curious relationship with Rome for a very long time. When the unification of Germany was accomplished by Otto Von Bismarck, the Bavarian Catholics found themselves as relative aliens in a Lutheran and Reformed conglomerate. In any event, we shall see how Pope Leo relates to them. Hopefully, truth and peace will prevail.

Amen to that my friend.

The Liturgist · 2025-11-23T20:55:17-0600

jonojim1337 said:
How is this related? The first resurrection is about the patrician families of Rome, the plebs come after. This was simply my point.

Also not Orthodox doctrine as far as I can tell, but perhaps I’m wrong, to which I would defer to @prodromos or @HTacianas or @FenderTL5 or @Chesterton .

Are you Eastern Orthodox? Because your profile indicates this.

The Liturgist · 2025-11-23T20:52:28-0600

Always in His Presence said:
Sickness, pain, disease does not imitate, nor does it honor God, because it is not from God.

The point isn’t that the sickness honors God, it is that God, having put on our humanity and having suffered with us, is alongside us and does not just understand but has of his own voilition experienced our suffering, to the point of suffering death, in order to it.

This is why on Pascha we Orthodox sing this Troparion:

Christ is risen from the dead, trampling down death by death, and on those in the tombs bestowing life!

Fervent · 2025-11-23T20:48:37-0600

fhansen said:
Well, all who claim to know the full gospel truth based on Scripture alone are asserting infalliblity, whether they acknowledge that fact or not. And then others of us do, indeed, interpret their interpretations as well as interpreting the positions of those who do not go by Scripture alone but who also point to a historic legacy of beliefs that existed before the new testament, at least, was written.

Infallibility is not the only option, nor is everyone who claims to possess a sufficient gospel understanding for salvation need not even assert indefeasibility for their own understanding.

fhansen said:
The point is that even if we somewhere possess a perfect codified body of Christian beliefs accurately reflecting God's word, that in no way guarantees that anyone will necessarily embrace it. Either way this situation is open to being a messy affair as we less-than-perfect humans have been left here on earth with this treasure, this revelation of God's nature and will, from a God who revealed himself so that His perfect will be done on earth as it is in heaven.

Good thing we have continued presence of the Holy Spirit.

fhansen said:
Similiarly, even if we possessed the texts fresh from the author's pens, and spoke their language fluently, we still wouldn't necessarily know their intended meanings perfectly.

Yeah, which doesn't seem to be an issue.

fhansen said:
The bottom line for myself is in understanding that biblical exegesis alone is not at all a sure way to fully or even sufficiently know God's will for man. It's left to all of us to discern, with the help of grace, if and where we hear His voice. I certainly hear it in the bible despite any seeming contradictions, ambiguities, vagueness etc. I hear it more clearly explained in light of the historic understanding of His church. It's interesting that the apostles met in Jerusalem to discuss a matter which they did not resolve by Scripture, via the old testament, but by means of the new revelation they'd received through Christ. Related to this, the Bereans, conscientious as they were in studying Scripture, could not understand it without the still non-biblical imput of disciples who had experienced or been taught about a new Way. Likewise was the experience of the Ethiopian Eunuch with Paul.

yeah, exegesis alone certainly isn't sufficient. Without the illumination of the Holy Spirit, we would only be spinning our wheels in interpretation.

ThatRobGuy · 2025-11-23T20:45:53-0600

I still oppose the idea of hate crime laws being leveraged to insulate "circumstances of choice" from criticism and/or mockery.

That aside...

If this was a group of people doing this at some Christian gathering (no matter how hostile the rhetoric), would it be getting escalated to the level of "felony hate crime"?

I've seen videos of some Christian content creators going to areas near college campuses to do demonstration and getting literally physically assaulted, and all that ever comes of it is misdemeanor charges, or the police just break it up and send both parties their separate ways.

I would perhaps be more receptive to the concept of religious affiliation being included under the "hate crime provisions" umbrella if we didn't have a large subset of the country that evaluates everything through a "punching up vs. punching down" lens.

Valletta · 2025-11-23T20:33:51-0600

stevevw · 2025-11-23T20:28:35-0600

PloverWing said:
The Billy Graham crusades seem different from street preaching, to me, because they were held in a stadium or convention hall, and people chose to attend them. When I think of a street preacher, I think of a guy standing on a sidewalk or street corner holding a sign, or walking up to strangers to interrogate them. Those feel like different activities.

I thought Billy Graham was an excellent preacher, in the classic Southern Baptist tradition. I heard him preach in person several times, and on TV many times.

I think at the time of Billy Graham this was a time of bold street preachers as well. Culturally that is why Graham became so popular. Because the climate was right for such preaching. Pastors use to give bold sermons. Or fire and brimestone sermons. But it was a time of preaching and we see all the TV evangelists rising around this time as well.

It was a time I remeber where street preachers use to be on street corners or even on soap boxes preaching. You would often see a preacher at the train station somewhere as people go by. Or in a busy street declaring repent and be saved and handing out flyers. While hippy dropouts joining Hare Kristna with their incense and drums lol.

Graham had a way of reaching people. He even used Johnny Cash at one point when he went from the 'man in black' to the 'man in white'.

ThatRobGuy · 2025-11-23T20:26:51-0600

They're still going to be paying for the tickets right?

Seems like they're not really "teaching Disney a lesson" in that scenario.

This is sort of reminiscent to the "I'm going buy an expensive pair of Nike shoes so I can make a video of myself burning them in the backyard and get 14 likes on Facebook" protest.

At least the "shooting cases of bud light in the backyard" thing was cheap.

ThatRobGuy · 2025-11-23T20:21:46-0600

Trump Makes Surprising U-Turn On Plans To Deploy National Guard To New York City

The president's comments came after his surprisingly cordial meeting with New York City Mayor-elect Zohran Mamdani at the White House.

www.huffpost.com

Seems like the Mamdani "be nice and charm" approach worked.

Perhaps some other Democratic leaders could ask him for tips and tricks.

Chesterton · 2025-11-23T20:13:29-0600

@2PhiloVoid Back in the day, I kind of ignored bands like Petra and Stryper, but listening to their interviews, I think they were genuine and sincere, and their music was good.

Norton R. Nowlin · 2025-11-23T20:11:17-0600

God the Father is the source of all blessings rendered through the Savior Jesus, God the Word, even though the Father has bestowed upon his Son all power in heaven and earth. All through the Book of John, the writer quotes Jesus giving all credit for everything mortal and immortal to God the Father. I will never know in mortality how the work and the glory of the Trinity actually functions. Perhaps all saints who make it to heaven will one day know the divine secrets of God. The laws and physics of God are far beyond the ability of the mortal mind to comprehend. God the Father is the source of all power that he has given to Jesus to create mankind, the world, and all things that have been created, according to John 1. God the Word, Jesus, is the advocate of all mankind before God the Father. That is why everything we say or do should be done in the name of Jesus Christ.

God the Holy Spirit, the Comforter, will convey to the devout sincere Christian the truth of the foregoing. The Holy Spirit is pretty much the Christian's pipeline to knowledge and prophecy. The Father will send blessings through the Holy Spirit to the faithful Christian, as Jesus said the Comforter will do. As we pray to the Father, the Holy Spirit will deliver the knowledge and information that we request, and Jesus is always there to do what he does best, to mysteriously intervene in our lives with his bounteous love for us.

stevevw · 2025-11-23T20:07:23-0600

Hans Blaster said:
You claimed it lined certain shafts and chambers because of their electrical properties. I was merely pointing out that the prestige and implied wealth of using granite was a better explanation. It as if you said the pyramid was capped with gold because it was a conductor, when ostentatious display of wealth and power would be better. (I've heard the capped with gold claim before, though I don't think it is still thought to be the case.)

This shows how the same evidence can be seen with two different explanations. It seems to me that many examples are explained away as decoration. Like everything was for looks and no function. Thus relegating the Egyptians to artists rather than knowledgable.

Which I think stems back to the design verses naturalistic worldview. Skeptics resist attributing any agency or design to anything humans do as it suggests design in nature or that there is such a thing as a mind capable of actually changing or creating objective reality.

Hans Blaster said:
I'm not sure you've learned it. Batteries, like piezoelectric crystals, can't be a power source unless they are wired together. The trunk-load of batteries and the quartz crystals in granite aren't wired together and you can't make an electrical power source out of them.

From what I understand the power source needs to be connected in the proper sequence and aligned to be able to work in the first place. The piezoelectric crystals have to fall within a certain range or oscilation to generate or enhance the effect.

Thus the pyramid itself being located in a constantly vibrating location and with additional sources of activity such as siezmic activity or the natural subterrainian activities of the waterways and caverns.

With the additional effects of the pyramids internal layout with specific stones layered in ways that enhance the piezoelectric effect when is concentrated into the chambers and especially the Kings chamber.

For all this to happen I don't think it was an accident or coincident that these specific locations, layouts and other evidence of purposeful treatments to the structure such as thermal activity show some sort of experimentation was going on. I know thats a laymans explanations but it is something along these lines.

Hans Blaster said:
Your "AI" (artificial idiot)

Its funny how your side uses the same but its ok for them.

Hans Blaster said:
is slamming random things together. "quartz has piezoelectric properties" + "granite contains quartz" + your leading question + a dash of your favorite nutters and their "electric pyramid nonsense" in the "training data" and you get responses like this. LLMs (like the "AI chatbots") are useful tools, but they are just that, tools. GIGO or if you don't know how to use it you will get nonsense results.

I did not ask any leading questions. I simply put in your statement and not anything I said and that is exactly what popped out. No mention of pyramid power, Atlantis, aliens. Just the simple question (is Granite is a piezoelectric power source).

Once again it is you who keeps injecting the conspiracies of "electric pyramid nonsense". Your taking the simple question about the piezoelectric effects of granite and how it can generate electrical energy through pressure or other forces and assuming its about some conspiracy about alien power.

I am simply looking at the material involved and how it is structured and the possible activities it was subject to to show that it is ideal for generating such activity. Thats it. Step one. Not some conspiracy down the raod that you think its about.

Hans Blaster said:
How?

By the possible methods the articles have been mentioning. The premise being if the pyramid was built in a certain location to maximize potential natural energy. That the specific internal layout and material also being conducive.

That subjecting the pyramid itself and the internal structures such as shafts and chambers through stressses of various sorts such as heat or sound. Will potentially generate certain effects that will produce desired outcomes such as a concentration of energy in the chambers.

If all the setup and materials can potentially achieve this then this is the logical conclusion. If tests can show that these setups and arrangements can produce the effects. Then its a case of whether this was actually being done. That we find evidence of that stress within the pyramid and stones seems to support this premise.

Hans Blaster said:
lol

What, lol. Isn't it funny. When I actually link peer review its just laughed at.

Hans Blaster said:
lol

Hans Blaster said:
What "eyewitness testimony"? Pyramids have been there for millennia.

The testimony from the ancients themselves that tell us they had this knowledge. That it was from the gods or for the gods. You don't believe them like you don't believe the witnesses of Christ who they said came back from the dead. The fundemental skepticism of all things non naturalistic is a belief and not science.

Hans Blaster said:
Though this is not on topic, it is also false. Eye witnesses are *not* good sources. Our knowledge of Jesus of Nazareth is not based on eyewitness testimony anyway. I suggest you go read a proper source on the origins of the Gospels. But there is no need to discuss it here as it is not the topic.

So if there is evidence for Christ and the gospels then whats stopping people from then taking up what was claimed as truth.

Or are you just talking about a certain kind of knowledge that can never convince that the supernatural events happened. Or there there can be such alternative knowledge and reality in the first place.

Hans Blaster said:
Which is utterly irrelevant to the principle (ancient, unknown civilizations) and secondary claims (lost ancient rock shaping technology) you have made in this thread.

This is a either/or fallacy. Its not just about 'rock shaping' but ancient lost alternative and/or advanced knowledge and the possible tech that came from this.

Fundementally as I said and the OP pointed this out. That this is a epistemic and metaphysical belief and not just the science of specific examples. Though they may show the advanced knowledge.

Part of that is labelling good people by assumption and stereotypes of conspiracies and making up stuff simply because they believe or propose an alternative idea about what knowledge is.

That includes Christian scientists or those who are open to alternative metaphysics who can hold both the scientific causes and the alternative ones that could range from spirituality to consciousness beyond brain.

Some skeptics automatically lump everyone into the conspiracy when its not and don't support the claims about the specific ideas that even Hancock have suggested. Even if I also think some like Hancock can drift into spectualtion. He also holds some pretty well accepted and verified ideas. But you don't seem to have the capacity to be able to entertain both sides at the same time. Its either all your way or the highway.

ThatRobGuy · 2025-11-23T20:06:24-0600

johansen said:
at some point you have to let the chips fall where they may.

its not our job to be the morality police, or insist that tax dollars be spent effectively. people are complacent and you have to let them be complacent to the point they get hurt before they wise up and change their ways.

teach your children the games both sides play and invest your money instead of donating it to political campaigns, you'll have more left over at the end of your life.

I still feel like I have a vested interest in wanting both parties put forth the best they have to offer and hashing it out.

If, in my lifetime, If I could see a presidential race to the effect of "Jared Polis vs. Charlie Baker" or something similar...I'd be a happy camper.

I want to see a presidential election that
A) makes me think it's worth my time to go to the polling place to begin with
B) is a tough decision because I'm trying to decide who's better between two decent options, instead of having to do the "lesser of two evils" routine.

DragonFox91 · 2025-11-23T20:03:04-0600

You get married or you don't. You can't control it

Jipsah · 2025-11-23T19:57:51-0600

Dan1988 said:
Are you suggesting that the vast majority of mankind choses to spend eternity in hell???

That's certainly what they say. And it sounds better than saying that God chucks the majority of those He's ever created into eternal torment knowing that's where they'd end up based on His design.

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