"There is no peace on Earth, " I said
For hate is strong and mocks the song
Of peace on Earth, good will to men…

iluvatar5150 said:

It made people fear and hate Haitian immigrants and it wasn't true.

What would you call it?

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Charlie Kirk's declaration was:

"Residents of Springfield, OH are reporting that Haitians are eating their family pets."

This is true. Residents were reporting that. The problem is that the reports were, even when given by residents, second or even thirdhand accounts (of the "someone told me that they heard a friend say..." variety), and there was ultimately little evidence for the reports being true. Nevertheless, it is true that there were reports from residents, and his statement was therefore accurate.

Someone can still say even if it's technically true, it's misleading. However, the tweet in question was from September 8, which I believe was early enough into the story breaking that it hadn't quite become obvious how little the claim was based on (if he had posted it several days later, that would've been a different story).

One can criticize him for jumping the gun too much on the story without waiting for better verification, but he didn't actually make a false statement there.

Are you talking about the Simpsons character Moe?

What do you think is the best album by No Doubt?

For me, I'd have to say Tragic Kingdom or Return of Saturn.

And what are these people doing in his room?

@GodAndChocolateVanilla

I made a thread about No Doubt/Gwen Stefani over in the Music forum if you'd like to participate.

I've met several people on here that like the band or like Gwen's solo work, so I thought I'd just start a thread and we can all talk about them.

Almost every Christian denomination on Earth affirms the continued *"unit of TEN" for Christians today (including the Sabbath Commandment in the TEN, though they edit it in many case to point to week day 1)


[*]The Baptist Confession of Faith section 19
[*]The Westminster Confession of Faith section 19
[*]Voddie Baucham
[*]C.H. Spurgeon
[*]D.L. Moody
[*]Dies Domini by Pope John Paul II
[*]D. James Kennedy
[*]R.C. Sproul
[*]many others as well..

Hentenza said:

Not really. Why don’t you post what they actually believe.

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Fine:

Baptist Confession of Faith Section 19 -- it is the TEN Commandments (not the much imagined downsized-nine) that are written on the heart under the New Covenant.

1. God gave to Adam a law of universal obedience which was written in his heart, and He gave him very specific instruction about not eating the fruit of the tree of knowledge of good and evil. By this Adam and all his descendants were bound to personal, total, exact, and perpetual obedience, being promised life upon the fulfilling of the law, and threatened with death upon the breach of it. At the same time Adam was endued with power and ability to keep it.

2. The same law that was first written in the heart of man continued to be a perfect rule of righteousness after the Fall, and was delivered by God upon Mount Sinai in the Ten Commandments, and written in two tables, the first four containing our duty towards God, and the other six, our duty to man.

3. Besides this law, commonly called the moral law, God was pleased do give the people of Israel ceremonial laws ... these ceremonial laws were appointed only until the time of reformation, when Jesus Christ the true Messiah and the only lawgiver, Who was furnished with power from the Father for this end, cancelled them and took them away.

5. The moral law ever binds to obedience everyone, justified people as well as others, and not only out of regard for the matter contained in it, but also out of respect for the authority of God the Creator, Who gave the law. Nor does Christ in the Gospel dissolve this law in any way, but He considerably strengthens our obligation to obey it.

6. Although true believers are not under the law as a covenant of works, to be justified or condemned by it, yet it is of great use to them as well as to others, because as a rule of life it informs them of the will of God and their duty and directs and binds them to walk accordingly. It also reveals and exposes the sinful pollutions of their natures, hearts and lives, and using it for self-examination they may come to greater conviction of sin, greater humility and greater hatred of their sin. They will also gain a clearer sight of their need of Christ ...

7. The aforementioned uses of the law are not contrary to the grace of the Gospel, but they sweetly comply with it

Hentenza said:

None of these denominations and people keep the sabbath.

For example, regarding the Baptist Confession of Faith: PARAGRAPH 7
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Of Religious Worship and the Sabbath Day — The 1689 Baptist Confession of Faith

Chapter 22

www.the1689confession.com

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I was wondering how long it would take you to show us all the paragraphs in section 19 you needed to cull out, to make your case.

In the details I show, not excised out of the document .. I show the "inconvenient details " you seem to skim over as if "we simply would not notice.

Seriously? You really think that sort of thing works in the light of day?

peaceful-forest said:

I've thought about making a separate thread about No Doubt and Gwen Stefani.

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I ended up making the thread over in the Music section.

Trogdor the Burninator said:

...and extradite her again.
Hey - if they keep this up, she'll have enough FF points to get gold status.

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Maybe even the proposed Trump Gold Card.

BCP1928 said:

Because maybe some people believe that there are more important things going on, more important issues for Christians to concern themselves with than trying to regulate the sex lives of the non-Christian citizens of a secular republic.

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All I said was that I would not vote for them - that isn't regulating anything other than my personal vote.

jonojim1337 said:

5Put to death, therefore, whatever belongs to your earthly nature: sexual immorality, impurity, lust, evil desires and greed, which is idolatry. 6Because of these, the wrath of God is coming. b 7You used to walk in these ways, in the life you once lived. 8But now you must also rid yourselves of all such things as these: anger, rage, malice, slander, and filthy language from your lips. 9Do not lie to each other, since you have taken off your old self with its practices 10and have put on the new self, which is being renewed in knowledge in the image of its Creator. 11Here there is no Gentile or Jew, circumcised or uncircumcised, barbarian, Scythian, slave or free, but Christ is all, and is in all.

12Therefore, as God’s chosen people, holy and dearly loved, clothe yourselves with compassion, kindness, humility, gentleness and patience. 13Bear with each other and forgive one another if any of you has a grievance against someone. Forgive as the Lord forgave you. 14And over all these virtues put on love, which binds them all together in perfect unity.

15Let the peace of Christ rule in your hearts, since as members of one body you were called to peace. And be thankful. 16Let the message of Christ dwell among you richly as you teach and admonish one another with all wisdom through psalms, hymns, and songs from the Spirit, singing to God with gratitude in your hearts. 17And whatever you do, whether in word or deed, do it all in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks to God the Father through him.

I think it’s clear from the writings of Paul that the Sabbath, the day on which God rested from all his work (”It is finished”), is the life in Christ that we receive, so that we no longer live for ourselves.

11And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.

11So I swore in My wrath,
‘They shall not enter My rest.’ ”

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Not one verse in here says we don’t have to keep one of God’s finger-written commandments. Be careful with Paul writings 2Peter3:15-16 especially when using to teach something different than what Jesus said. Jesus said the Sabbath would not end after His cross for His faithful Mat24:20 or ever Isaiah 66:22-23. Does Paul really have more authority to countermand what Jesus said? No of course not, just sadly out of context Scriptures just as we were forewarned.

And read the next verse in Revelation in order not to receive the mark of the beast Rev14:12 and of course this is God’s version, His Testimony Exo31:18 that no man can alter, because God promised He would not Psa89:34 Deut4:13 Mat5:18-19 and no one is above He.

Also the rest you quoted in Davids day that the Israelites were to enter was their land- Jos 1:13,15

And here is the reason God gave why there never entered this land of rest Eze20:15-16 and why we are told not to follow their same path of disobedience Heb4:11

rjs330 said:

If you pay attention to my posts I really don't do that. I will respond if someone else starts the conversation, but I don't use it myself as a starter. I have said many many timea that we shouldn't use scripture as a political document for our personal political belief on how government has to be run or what laws should be made. The reason for that is because we have a tendency only to want to use part of scripture for political reasons and reject other scriptures for the same reason.

We should either accept all of scripture as the guide or none of it.

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That is your opinion about Scripture and you are welcome to it. Other Christians' mileage may vary. They have opinions, too, just as good as yours.

ThatRobGuy said:

Well, looks I had the wrong picture for that one example... doesn't negate the fact that it's still nicer than having people in Tuxedos eating in tents in the back yard.

Plus, I provided numerous other examples.

The main point was that wanting to have a "fancy" venue to host receptions that's on official property is by no means "uniquely Trump'ish"

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But it shows that you don't need a very large hall, or a very gaudy one. No other president have started the building of a ballroom before so it seems as far as American presidents go, it is uniquely Trump'ish.

"Sound financial plan" means investing on winners.

Social justice also means investing on the losers.

Investing on the poor means you're not getting your money back. Giving without expecting anything in return. A total loss. Not just someone who is poor but also someone who have very little potential like someone who isn't smart. A losing investment.

Many Christians just can't wrap their head around such thing. Perhaps comfort, prestige, and the power to buy and sell is far too addictive to let go.

Pope Leo XIV warned that intelligence agencies in some countries work against the Catholic Church, “oppressing its freedom” by using confidential information for “nefarious purposes.”

In an audience at the Vatican on Friday with people who work in Italy’s intelligence sector, the pope recalled the importance of conducting their jobs both ethically and morally.

“We must be vigilant to ensure that confidential information is not used to intimidate, manipulate, blackmail, or discredit politicians, journalists, or other actors in civil society. All of this also applies to the ecclesial sphere,” he said on Dec. 12.

Speaking in the Hall of Blessings, Leo urged those engaged in national security intelligence work to act with professionalism, to have respect for human dignity, and to engage in ethical communication.

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RamiC said:

Man's" systems are surely "man's" regardless of country, religion or culture? The "outside influence" you are reffering to is also from "man".

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And man is notorious for self-interest.

stevevw said:

Yes but its not in this material realm. Christians believe in Heaven right. Heaven is not this fallen material world. The new earth and bodies will not be the same as our current fallen physical bodies.

If we never get sick or die then that is a completely different realm, a spirtual or transcedent realm or whatever you want to call it. But its clearly not the same. And we know it through our consciousness of God and the afterlife. We give up our physical body to gain this heavenly body.

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But we will still have a body, not a conscious mind without a body.

stevevw said:

Actually to anyone who uses methological naturalism to defeat belief in God or other transcedent realities like the soul or afterlife. If they demand physical evidence and claim that this belief is false ontologically. Then yes they are declaring a belief and not science.

If you think this doesn't happen then just take a look at this forum lol. Or the old creation v evolution debate. It always comes down to "show me the physical evidence or its all false". Thus using one persons belief to beat down another persons belief.

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Atheism v. theism is never the issue. Those discussions are about the Bible and creationists interpretation of it. Period. The evidence demanded is for the biblical account, not the existence of God.

stevevw said:

Its just that the materialist will always win within the parameters of objective sciences and materialism. Which is much easier to show than beliefs. Or at least using methological naturalism.

Actually I don't think a proper scientists would argue such things. They know where to draw the line. Its usually on forums like this where it becomes more philosophical that the lines get blurred.

I mean look at the OP heading "scientist believe life formed on its own" lol. Hum is belief scientific. I don't think so. So even the OP is framed philosophically. Scientist believe just like religious people believe in God. Except they believe its some how self creating and does not need a God or outside influence from an agent.

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That headline was created by a biblical creationist. It's a misrepresentation of science not written by a scientist. It is not what scientists believe.

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IMO I don't think we can seperate the scientist from the metaphysics. Because the subject and observer is part of the equation. You canpt take them out no matter what.

Science was designed to be a 3rd party method. Seperate the scientist from the phenomena being observed. But I don't think thats possible on a number of levels. So metaphysical beliefs come into the equation and its hard to untangle them. Or even know whether they are influeeencing things.

This is evident in the fact that even within the sciences there are different paradigms. Where one domain sees physical consitioning and processes. The other sees mind and agency as the fundemental driver. Nevermind the completely different paradigm worlds of spiritual/transcedent and materialism and determinism lol.

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I have no idea what you are talking about. It makes no sense either from a theological or a scientific point of view.

It's not about making anyone assimilate, it's about choosing people who want to come here who respect and want to embrace our way of life and add to it rather than destroy it. I don't want people here who will kill their daughters because they don't dress properly in public or because they converse with those of other religions, or who praise the killing of Jews or anyone else. I don't want cartels or gangs or terrorists or thugs. That is, people who have no intent on obeying the laws of our country. So too we do not need people who just want to be on the government dole. As it was a hundred years or so ago how many from each country can be a discussion. It was until the Biden administration unilaterally decided to flood the country. For now we need to remove violent criminals and rescue the lost children. The reality is that many of the children found have been in forced labor or sexual slavery. We cannot allow this to ever happen again, never should votes be put ahead of the welfare of children. Right now our country is not a fit country to welcome more immigrants. As to those who won't assimilate, first the thugs who are here need to be imprisoned or deported, ALL of those who would steal food from the mouths of children or exploit children in any way or use violence.

Prospector said:

Closed caption is not more accurate. Quite a lot of cc is computer generated , which is prone to errors. More importantly ASL is their native native language not English text.

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It is if an interpreter is putting their own "creative interpretation" on things, or in the case of the instances mentioned in the video, faking it and signing gibberish because they exaggerated their credentials, then CC is going to be more accurate.

That aside...


ASL more efficient for certain visual-spatial concepts

Written English better for technical/statistical/academic content, especially if that material was originally created for English

Puns & wordplay based on English phonetics (which I'm pretty sure is 30% of Trump's vocabulary and rhetorical style) is also particularly difficult to convey.

Obviously not condoning using this rhetorical style, but when Trump's said things like "Killary" to describe his opponent, or referred to covid as "Kung Flu", that could be very difficult for an ASL interpreter to come up with something on the fly to convey it especially if he's in the middle of a press conference and has already started moving on to the next topic.

Factotum said:

This was all strategic by the Trump DOJ, in order to beat the statute of limitations deadline on charging Comey. Kalligan beat it by 36 hours I heard.
Now that Kalligan is disqualified, the Court gives them several weeks to replace her and reinstate the charges.

It was very clever, by Bondi.

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Yes, that must be why all those professional lawyers are praising this 300d chess move by the Trump DOJ instead of pointing out how it is the result of extreme incompetence.



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There's a lovely snow coming down right now.

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