Michie said:

Twenty years ago, I wrote my first book with the late Bishop Harry Jackson, Personal Faith: Public Policy. Among the major issues we examined were immigration and health care. And here we are — two decades later — still listening to the same debates. Some issues in Washington are like that proverbial leaking roof: everyone knows it needs fixing, and every storm reminds us of the problem. But instead of grabbing a ladder and repairing it, the buckets just get moved around.

The current storm was created when Joe Biden, Nancy Pelosi, and Chuck Schumer used the manufactured COVID-19 crisis as cover to spend billions more taxpayer dollars to prop up the failing Affordable Care Act (Obamacare). Many predicted this back in 2010, when Nancy Pelosi famously declared, “We have to pass it so we can read it,” as she pushed it through Congress without a single Republican vote. The so-called Affordable Care Act quickly became what many warned it would become — the unaffordable care act.

Democrats doubled down in March 2021 and again in August 2022, passing the American Rescue Plan Act and the Inflation Reduction Act, again without a single Republican vote. The first bill created temporary subsidies to mask the ACA’s structural failures, and the second extended this bailout until December 2025. Not only has the Affordable Care Act proven unaffordable — contrary to President Obama’s promises — it was deliberately crafted to bypass the longstanding bipartisan Hyde Amendment, which kept taxpayers out of the abortion business.

That brings us to the present dilemma for Republicans, who now find themselves the property managers of this leaking roof. They have inherited a failed, government-driven health system that funds abortion and pays for controversial experimental drugs and surgeries used in gender transitions.

Continued below.

Obamacare is collapsing. Republicans should let it

Some issues in Washington are like that proverbial leaking roof everyone knows it needs fixing, and every storm reminds us of the problem

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This seems odd to me because of course the affordable care act has provided affordable insurance to enrollees. Hence why millions of people's health insurance premiums are going up along with the expiration of subsidies.

And that's not to say that health insurance costs aren't rising. Insurance companies have been charging more, along with hospitals and pharmaceutical companies. But that doesn't mean that the subsidies of the ACA aren't subsidizing health insurance and thus making it affordable for enrollees.

Apple Sky said:

Who is he ?

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He's just an image AI whipped up per my instructions.

Stopped_lurking said:

How is this an open border policy? An open border policy would be that all that come are welcome, would it not?

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"as long as you can make it to a port of entry, you can apply for asylum and wait inside the US for your hearing that will be in 7 years if you're lucky" combined with halting deportations, is in essence, a pretty open border.

All of his policies (and previous policy reversals) equated to millions of people coming in.

...Biden's border policies being weak is something that the democrats have recognized and acknowledged as well, hence the reason they tried to pivot on the issue a few months before the 2024 election when they saw they were getting clobbered in the polls on that issue.

Stopped_lurking said:

Did she propose to dissolve the FBI or any other federal law enforcement agency as a candidate? What does defund the police mean if it is not the plain interpretation of the text?

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"Defund the police" is another one of those semantic overload games. Where defenders of it will say "No no no, it just means redirect some funding" when pushed back on. But make it pretty clear that their position more resembles the literal semantic definition when the activism "rubber meets the road".

Evidenced by what happened to Mayors Jenny Durkan and Jacob Frey. They both gave lip service and vocal support to the "Defund the police movement".

But when Frey said "well no, I'm not actually going to get rid of the police, I'm just going to redirect funds" he got booed of the stage by the crowd.

And when Durkan did the same, she ended up with hundreds of protestors outside her house.

Stopped_lurking said:

So did he campaign on it?

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No, he waited until after he got elected to spring those fun little surprises on people. He campaigned as a moderate, which is how he tricked me (and people like me) into voting for him in 2020.

Stopped_lurking said:

You are reaching here, how is this some kind public position that everyone should be going to storytelling sessions?

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If a candidate shows up at an NRA event and gives a keynote speech saying nothing but good things about unrestricted firearm ownership, do they need to put an "official position" about it on their campaign website in order for people accurately ascertain what their position is on guns?

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Goodness.
Clicked the video and it led off with the indicted Mayor Adams and antivaxx conspiracy theorist RFKjr complaining the Democratic party left them. Well yes.

Mark Quayle said:

It occurs to me that, by this particular verbiage, you may have in mind direct causation, and not indirect: "...because God created me in such a way so that I can only choose what is predetermined." It is not merely a matter of what you can or cannot do. It is a matter of what you WILL do.

This is sort of like one of the accusations against Calvinism (and Reformed theology), that goes something like this: "If Salvation is automatic, then what is the use of obeying or even choosing Christ?" But it is not automatic. It is only SURE.

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But if it is SURE what I WILL do, I don't see how that does not affect what I can or cannot do. I can only do what I WILL do, for that is what is SURE. I cannot do what I WILL NOT do, because that is not SURE. This is circular reasoning.

Mark Quayle said:

John 6:37-45 "All that the Father gives Me will come to Me, and the one coming to Me, I shall not cast out. For I have come down from heaven, not that I should do My will, but the will of the One having sent Me.

Now this is the will of the One having sent Me, that all that He has given Me, I should lose none of it, but will raise it up in the last day. For this is the will of My Father, that everyone beholding the Son and believing in Him should have eternal life, and I will raise him up in the last day.”...

... No one is able to come to Me unless the Father, the one having sent Me, draws him, and I will raise him up in the last day. It is written in the prophets: ‘And they will all be taught of God.' Everyone having heard from the Father and having learned, comes to Me.

(I don't claim to be Calvinist nor Reformed, though people keep mistaking me for it—it's just that most of what I believe, they do, too. I'm Calvinistic, I suppose you can say.)

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John 6:44 could be construed in such a way that we are doomed unless selected to be drawn to God, but Jesus explains this in John 12:32 "And I, when I am lifted up from the earth, will draw all people to myself."

Humans are/have been drawn to God through Jesus sacrifice and the witness of his resurrection, which was spready by Christianity and continues to be spread today. Jesus specifically says he will draw all people, which if drawing people to God is selective would not be the case. Clearly, not everyone believes in Christ.

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Erika Kirk to Meet With Candace Owens After Pleading With Her to Stop Spreading Conspiracy Theories​

In an X post, Erika Kirk said the two would be meeting on Monday. She also said she was postponing all livestreams and social media posts until after their conversation — which is happening on the same day Turning Point USA was planning on hosting a livestream to address the flurry of conspiracy theories from Owens.

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There it is.
Erika Kirk is rightfully getting tired of the conspiracy theories espoused by the very same group of people her own husband shared as a tool.

samaus123456789 said:

Augustine also promoted the idea that 1 Enoch was not written pre flood. So up until 300s AD the majority of Christians believed 1 Enoch was written pre flood like Jesus, Jude, 1 Enoch, and all the other evidence says it was (there is stuff in the dead sea scrolls about Abraham reading Enoch when in Egypt, and Levi passing Enochs books to his children).

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Peace to you in our Lord Jesus Christ, samaus.

I am going to challenge a couple of points you make in the quote above.

1. I see you say "majority" which is an improvement from most that I see, but I don't think you can find any evidence for this "majority" claim. At the most one must concede, myself included, that there was a split view among Christians way before 300s AD. Even among the Jews also.

Tertullian (around 155-220), who held the Book of Enoch view you do, himself, admits in his own writings,

"I am aware that the Scripture of Enoch, which has assigned this order of action to angels, is not received by some. For it is not admitted into the Jewish canon, either. " Tertullian, c. 198 W., 4.15; Book 1, Chapter 3

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This "not received by some" are those Christian priests and theologians of his time. In other words, this book of Enoch issue was disputed even then. It wasn't a majority view.

Further, Origen (185-254), admonishes Celses for using a Book of Enoch quote and passing it on as truth (Ante-Nicene Fathers Vol. IV, Origen, Origen Against Celsus, Book V). I could go on, but the point is it wasn't a majority view on either side.


The rest of what you wrote...I have no comment.


Peace to you brother

Hans Blaster said:

The *governor* should not be doing it at all. If some church-paid friend wants to do it with private funds that is one thing, but a governor is still not a church official.

DeSantis put all of his political theater into action to get the 2024 nomination. He's got nothing left and has made almost no news in the last year plus. Trump crushed dreams by running for reelection.

don't care what "ai" says.

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I'm going to disagree with this. While I am fully on board that the government should not be passing religious based laws that have no secular purpose, this strikes me as different. This is using his religious based morality in his governing and that I think is valid. If we are going to allow that people who are on the left and religious use their reasoning to help taxes support the poor then we must allow for the same sort of reasoning on the right. We might disagree with their actions, but that is a matter for the law. The reasons they took those actions are none of our concern.

GoldenBoy89 said:

Probably has more to do with the things he said while he was alive.

What’s the worst thing Reiner ever said? Let’s compare the two individuals you’re trying so desperately to equate.


It’s pretty undeniable he was a political figure but to try and stretch Reiner’s political involvement to match Limbaugh would be like calling Donald Trump an accomplished author.

In any case, it’s gross because all you’re doing is providing cover for the president’s distasteful comments after a famous couple’s murder.

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See Posts 43 and 50, I address those...

Reiner's political involvement wasn't "minor" by any stretch of the imagination, he was extremely active in the world of politics, he led political organizations and chaired political committees... and the other post lists the various things he's said about Trump over the past few years up to and including basically comparing him to Hitler.

Deegie said:

Wow. I couldn't imagine not having a Christmas Morning service. I mean, it would be lovely for me personally after all the craziness the day before and the long night. But it just feels wrong somehow. We don't have much demand, though...perhaps 30 people as opposed to 250+ for the Christmas Eve services. But for those who come, it's very special.

And if it snows on Christmas this year, we know who jinxed it!

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The Episcopalian parish of which I was a member, until the retirement of my friend Fr. Steven, a priest with disposition and hieratic dignity, most graceful and pious, who used Eucharistic Prayer A and Eucharistic Prayer C primarily, the latter in the fall, Eucharistic Prayer B in Lent, and who tried to avoid D due to the fixed preface, who has since his retirement lost his vision, please pray for him, was one of those which was unable to sustain a Christmas Day liturgy and barely held onto a Christmas Sunday liturgy, to Fr. Steve’s regret. Nonetheless they celebrated a spectacularly beautiful and well-attended Christmas Eve liturgy with a thurifer and consistently traditional music, which pleased even those of us who habitually attended the Said Service at 8 AM (but sometimes I would stay on for the main service; there was a lovely breakfast between the two, a good time to visit, followed by a lovely lunch, and liturgically I love a double-header; I lament in my church in those parishes where Matins happens on Sunday morning rather than Saturday night it leads directly into the Divine Liturgy despite this not being required, perhaps because of the Eucharistic fast and the impossibility of celebrating more than one Eucharist per priest per altar or antimension per day (the Christmas Eve and Christmas Day liturgies coexist because the former is a Vesperal Divine Liturgy and is preceded by the Royal Hours and Typika service, since the liturgical day ends with Vesperal Divine Liturgies even if conversely it otherwise begins with Vespers).

By the way the Episcopal Church in question was one of those happy parishes that normally had good attendance, even in 2013-2014. That in St. George, Utah had good attendance a couple of years ago (which is fitting even though sadly St. George is not named for the patron saint of England whose flag along with a stylized version of that of St. Andrew form the basis of the Episcopal flag, which I’ve always loved; at some point I’ll probably post a thread in Liturgical Theology on ecclesiastical vexillology since I’ve done liturgical colors, vestments and a few other subjects.

Good day,

Eze 36:25 And I will sprinkle clean water upon you, and ye shall be clean: from all your filthiness, and from all your idols, will I cleanse you. A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you; and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you a heart of flesh. And I will put my Spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep mine ordinances, and do them.

Regeneration is the exclusive work of God, (He) cleans, takes, puts, gives, removes, and causes. God alone is the effective and sufficient cause in our regeneration. We are effected by that work, God has a purpose and intent in doing the things he does and those can not fail to come to pass and completely fulfill his purposes.

REGENERATION is inseparable from its effects and one of the effects is faith. Without regeneration it is morally and spiritually impossible for a person to believe in Christ, but when a person is regenerated it is morally and spiritually impossible for that person not to believe. Jesus said, “All that the Father giveth me shall come to me” (John 6:37), and he was referring in this case surely to the giving of the Father in the efficacious drawing of the Father mentioned in the same context (John 6:44, 65). Regeneration is the renewing of the heart and mind, and the renewed heart and mind must act according to their nature.....John Murray



"Faith and Repentance" by John Murray



In Him,

Bill

SabbathBlessings said:

Heb 4:9-10 is not teaching that resting in Christ means we can break the Sabbath commandment

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You are talking past be by ignoring my points and jumping straight into your position staement. I believe your premise assumes the concluison and that is the unless a person is keeping the sabbath the way you believe they should then they are breaking it. Do you not see that this is what the pharasee's did with Christ. So instead of talking past it, tell me how abiding in Christ's rest is breaking the Sabbath.

Hebrews 4:9–10 teaches that a Sabbath-like rest remains for God’s people, defined as participation in God’s own rest through faith in Christ’s completed work. This rest involves the cessation of self-reliant striving and anticipates the final fulfillment of God’s purposes, while remaining genuinely available to believers in the present.

This highlights two sides to this story. One is we have a cultural and immigration problem where people coming from other parts of the world with a different belief and ideology and the problems that come with this are bringing this to their newly adopted nation and making it like the culture they were escaping. .

The other is an example of how an immigrant can come to a new nation with a different culture and adapt to that culture even becoming a hero of that culture.

It goes to show the importance of vetting and helping people to integrate into the host culture. Thats why immigrants come. To have a better life from the ones that were causing them to want to flee their nation. Not bring those issues with them and then turn the host nation into another culture war that people want to escape. Thats insane.

I grew up in Bankstown a suburb of Sydney where many middle eastern families lived after migrating here during the 60s and 70s. I had several friends from Lebanon and they were more or less becoming Aussies. We shared each others culture. But primarily we all acted as Aussies within the Aussie culture. Not like todays identity politics.

I also lived in Bondi when older and it was very multicultural and alive with all sorts of people mixing and enjoying one of the best beaches in the world. The free lifestyle, surfing, fishing and socialising. Now its all changed like in other western nations. You can't feel safe to even go to the beach.

To have such an evil event happen in among such a place that already represented the best of people mixing and getting along is a complete contradiction and something we don't want in free western nations.

I have a feeling that we are going back to how things were pre Covid. If you remember the radicals were focusing on the west and not Isreal as much. But now that Hamas is being stopped I think the attention is turning back to the west.

As many illegal immigrants have managed to get into many western nations I think we are going to see more of these types of attacks. Maybe even a very major one.

They say the US has around 18,000 identified terrorist who got in over the border. It stands to reason that with that many unknowns and radicals lost in the system more homegrown terror will happen.

Paulwat said:

There’s a growing case, both theologically and philosophically, that “hell” as an eternal state of torment doesn’t make sense within the logic of Eastern Orthodox theology itself. If God truly is love, and if His purpose is the restoration (ἀποκατάστασις) of all creation, then a permanent, unredeemed realm of suffering would contradict His nature and His victory over sin and death.


Thinkers like St. Gregory of Nyssa, St. Isaac the Syrian, Sergius Bulgakov, and more recently David Bentley Hart, have all pointed out that God’s will is unchanging, and His will is to save all. If God’s will is perfect and omnipotent, then it follows that ultimately all will be reconciled to Him—perhaps after a painful purification, but not eternal damnation.


“Hell,” then, might best be understood not as a place of everlasting punishment, but as the experience of divine love by those still clinging to their sin—an experience that eventually purifies rather than annihilates. This view doesn’t deny justice; it fulfills it through healing rather than perpetual separation.


So yes, there’s good reason to believe that universal reconciliation (in some form) is not only compatible with Orthodoxy, but actually truer to its deepest understanding of God’s mercy and the cosmic scope of Christ’s resurrection.

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One of the problems that I see in Orthodoxy, with people who are determined that there is an eternal, fiery, burning hell of torment, is that a great number of them who are believing that are converts who have come in from Protestantism and are bringing in that legal, judicial, condemnatory idea of God from their Protestant background. They do not understand yet that the Orthodox understanding is medicinal and not juridical, restorative and not condemnatory.

In my opinion , I don't believe these people have done a serious study of Christian history, the proper translation of the Greek texts, the understanding of God's character, and the cultural influence of paganism upon the idea of hell in the Church. They will search high and low for Early Father quotes or texts of scripture to defend the idea of eternal torment, while ignoring the vast body of information that is more in line with Universal Restoration.

rjs330 said:

Its all from Christ. He is God and God inspired Paul to write those words. Therefore that is what Christ wanted Paul to write. He did not ask Paul to write things that he did not approve of.

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So says Paul.
And to my knowledge there is no passage where Jesus asked Paul to write anything.
When one is trying to get to the heart of what Jesus taught and spoke, it's usually best to quote those words attributed to him.

Valletta said:

The founding document of the United States makes it clear our rights come from God. Our Christian/Judeo heritage, recognizing our gifts come from God, is what makes our nation special. The major laws in our country are decided upon by our moral values. We decide laws based on those values, whether murder is acceptable, whether it be to kill a daughter because she marries into another religion or to kill a baby in the womb. We set an age for marriage, that age is valid for Christians and non-Christians. We even set modesty standards, women are not allowed to walk around topless whereas men are allowed. I suppose all laws can "impose" on some people.

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Here's a map showing all the nations in which God is mentioned in their constitutions. Interestingly the United States isn't among them.

fhansen said:

Because He wanted us to do it. Do you think abolition was wrong? Or civil/women's rights? Do you think He'd want us to sit on our thumbs and overlook genocide, starvation, etc? He had a singular job to do in a relatively short period of time: to bring the light into the world. It's up to us to ponder, reflect, and radiate that light.
"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing,"

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I agree that Christians are not called to apathy or indifference toward suffering. Scripture is clear that love for neighbor matters and that faith expresses itself through love (Gal. 5:6). At the same time, the New Testament places a clear priority on the mission Christ actually gave His church.

Jesus’ earthly ministry was unique and unrepeatable—He came to reveal the Father and accomplish redemption (John 1:14; John 17:4). After His resurrection, He did not commission His followers to reform every social evil, but to proclaim reconciliation with God through Him (Matt. 28:18–20; 2 Cor. 5:18–20). The apostles lived under brutal injustice, poverty, and oppression, yet their primary calling remained the preaching of the gospel rather than organizing political or social movements.

That does not mean Christians should ignore suffering or refuse to help where they are able. Scripture encourages generosity, mercy, and care for those in need (Matt. 25:35–40; James 1:27). But it also cautions us against assuming that we can—or are called to—carry the weight of every global injustice. We are finite, and God has not entrusted every cause to every believer.

Our role, then, is not to “do nothing,” nor is it to shoulder every moral crisis of the world. It is to walk faithfully in the good works God has prepared for us (Eph. 2:10), while keeping the gospel central. Social good can flow from transformed hearts, but it is not a substitute for the message of reconciliation itself (Rom. 1:16).

In short, Christians are called to act in love where God places them, without losing sight of the primary mission Christ gave His church—to bear witness to Him.

stevevw said:

Gee, ok let me find it. The trouble is they are hard to find. Heres one

Evidence of Vitrified Stonework in the Inca Vestiges of Peru

https://www.semanticscholar.org/paper/Evidence-of-Vitrified-Stonework-in-the-Inca-of-Peru-Jong-Jordan/1136a71a5e32917a3004107dc964ee03c82e1848

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Not peer-reviewed. Self-published. This is their reference list:

stevevw said:

Heres another

Ancient Geopolymers in South America and Easter Island

Ancient Geopolymers in South America and Easter Island

This book presents the study on Ancient Geopolymers in South America and Easter Island regions, exploring the artificial nature of the volcanic rocks

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Do you have the page or chapter that talks about vitrification? I can access it from my job, but what do you want me to read?

Studyman said:

Not that you have ever addressed or even acknowledged most of the Scriptures I have posted, but so as not to return evil for evil, I will grant your request.

Ex. 4: 10 And Moses said unto the LORD, O my Lord, I am not eloquent, neither heretofore, nor since thou hast spoken unto thy servant: but I am slow of speech, and of a slow tongue. 11 And the LORD said unto him, Who hath made man's mouth? or who maketh the dumb, or deaf, or the seeing, or the blind? have not I the LORD? 12 Now therefore go, "and I will be with thy mouth", and teach thee "what thou shalt say".

Ex. 12: 49 One law shall be to him that is homeborn, and unto the stranger that sojourneth among you.

Ex. 31: 18 And he (God) gave unto Moses, when he had made an end of communing with him upon mount Sinai, two tables of testimony, tables of stone, written with the finger of God.

John 1: 17 For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.

John 14: 15 If ye love me, keep my commandments. ( Jn. 10: 30 I and my Father are one. , Jn. 17:8 For I have given unto them the words "which thou gavest me"; and they have received them, and have known surely that I came out from thee, and they have believed that thou didst send me.) 16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever; 17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.

And why did the religions of this world at that time, not know Him, according to the Jesus "of the Bible's own Words"?

John 5: 45 Do not think that I will accuse you to the Father: there is one that accuseth you, even Moses, in whom ye trust.

46 For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me: for he wrote of me. 47 But if ye "believe not" his writings, how shall ye believe my words?

Thus the reason for the Christ "of the Bible's", Own Words I posted for you in Luke 16. 31 And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.

If you are not persuaded by these Words, who was chosen to record and carry God's Laws, Statutes and Commandments throughout the nations, it is clear why, according to Christ's Own Words.

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None of these verses prove your premise that Abraham, while alive on earth, knew that Moses was going to record God’s laws or even what those laws would be. You are reading your doctrine into scripture.

Having a 1-year-old is much more fun than having a newborn, but I had no idea what I was in for when it came to changing the diaper of a rolling, sitting up, standing toddler. Or trimming her nails. Or feeding her cottage cheese.

It’s an adventure. Nothing is cuter than seeing her point at all the owls in my house and say “ho ho hoooo”!

Factotum said:

Oh look! A hallucination!! lol

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A hit and a miss.

Factotum said:

And Please, feel free to show where I was wrong in my statement you call a deflection about the Trump acts that were criminalized by L. James via lawfare.

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Great, another attempt at derailment. I'm not going to argue about which city in the western hemisphere is the most dangerous and criminal or even the largest - this would be a deflection from the actual thread topic. For what else you got wrong I refer you to post #105, post #107, and post #108 for your edification.

@CoreyD
War of Rights – American Civil War FPS with muzzle loaders and bayonets – Blood is part of combat. It is not a focal point like in games that glorify blood and gore. This is PVP.
Star Citizen – space mmo – Combat yes. I have not seen any gore or blood yet.
Albion Online – mmorpg – Combat, yes. Gore are blood, no. There is a lot of PVP content.
Myth of Empires -– sandbox survival game inspired by the Ancient East – No player worship. I have not seen any gore and blood like many other titles. There is PVP content.
Corepunk –- Open world mmorpg - I did some deeper dives into this one and uncovered worship and very sexual dialogue.
Avorion –- co-op space and spaceship game- I have not dug deep enough yet.
…and Bellatores being released in 2026 – I am still researching this one.

Since joining this topic, I have already removed Corepunk from the list of games I am interested in playing. It doesn’t fit into what I am looking for because of the worship and sexual dialog.

The violence in the games that are so far staying on my list don’t align to what you find in GTA, Left for Dead, Manhunt, etc. It’s combat mechanics that don’t evoke the same response one would get from real life violence. Games like GTA, you just know it is wrong.

I really don’t associate the content in the above games as something promoting wickedness. I also don’t think the PVP content in these games is bad either. As far as War of Rights and Myth of Empires is concerned, possible even Albion Online should be in this remark, violence is prominent in the game, but again, it’s not the type of violence that evokes the same response from real life or even reading about it where it hurts to know it is happening. Or from games that glorify in an ugly way like the games like GTA and others would.

These are my thoughts for the now.

NxNW said:

Trump shot at by Republican
Kirk shot by a product of Republican environment
Melissa Hortman shot by Republican
Mark Hortman shot by Republican
John Hoffman shot by Republican
Yvette Hoffman shot by Republican

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Always in His Presence said:

Trump shot by far left
Charlie Kirk - shot by far left
Judge Kavanaugh - far left assassin arrested
Steve Scalise - shot by far left

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Instead of listing who has shot more than the other side, you guys should above all calm down.