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CNN Dem Panelist Shocks Jennings with Major Admission on Lawfare Against Trump

But your 'circles' supports the killing of babies in the womb -
therr are no babies inside of women.
Those are called fetuses.

embraces homosexuality
We accept it. Let them.live
and other perversions including promoting pedophilia as a lifestyle
Lying. 3 people doing that means nothing and a reasonable person knows that.

You may think that these beliefs mean we are not trustworthy judges.
I feel the same way about those who vote for AND like Trump.
and normalizing gender dysphoria.
We normalize the recommended medical interventions b3csuse thus far, studies have shown theories efficacy despite rhem being distasteful.


Where is any of that in the fruits of the spirit?
Love
Kindness
Gentleness
Could be argued.
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Worst Possible Uses for AI imaginable

As much as I hate the inconvenience, I wouldn’t push against it because I don’t see it as a bad thing. I understand that the purpose of the camera is to promote safety and productivity which as a Christian I have no problem with. As long as I do my job in a safe and productive manner as I should, then I have no reason to be worried about what the camera is recording.
But thing is, as a Christian I *do* have a problem with it. I don't want to be treated like a child, or even worse, like a common tool. I consider myself as being in the image of God, and I expect to be treated with the respect that I deserve as a human.

I cannot accept AI being used as the guardian of my behavior.
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Are the Jews Israel, or is the church Israel? Or does it depend on the context of the passage?

Consider the verse below when thinking about the modern nation of Israel.

Isaiah 54:9 To me this is like the days of Noah, when I swore that the waters of Noah would never again cover the earth. So now I have sworn not to be angry with you, never to rebuke you again.

The Apostle Paul declares the obvious in Galatians 4:26-27. That Isaiah 54 is a prophecy about the New Jerusalem. The context of that chapter is Old Testament believer’s being illustrated as the wife of God suffering at the hands of their own wicked kings and the gentile nations; someday winning the nations by the gospel and through that inheriting the world. This is why Paul called the New Jerusalem the mother of all New Testament believers. OT saints in Ancient Israel gave birth to NT saints, both Jew and Gentile.

Here is how Isaiah 54:9 ties into the debate over the two extremes between those who teach the name Israel IS ONLY referring to the Jews and modern Israel and God's covenant with them. Verses those who say Israel is now the church and God's NT covenant. In both the OT and NT we see God is almost continuously angry with Ancient Israel for its sin. The reason for this is God chose both the saints and sinners out of one nation, Ancient Israel, to bring his word and the Messiah into the earth. It was his Normandy beach head for his long-planned invasion of planet earth to spread the influence of his invisible kingdom.

Once the mission God chose all of Ancient Israel for was complete. His focus became the expansion of that influence worldwide. First through Jewish believers that naturally added Gentile believers to that mix. This new mix of believers, illustrated in the Bible’s prophecy was given a new name- The New Jerusalem

Isaiah 62;1 For Zion’s sake I will not keep silent, for Jerusalem’s sake I will not remain quiet, till her vindication shines out like the dawn, her salvation like a blazing torch. 2 The nations will see your vindication, and all kings your glory; YOU WILL BE CALLED BY A NEW NAME that the mouth of the Lord will bestow.

That is why God would no longer be angry with his people. They are no longer a mix of ethnic Israeli's who had the faith of Abraham along with the ethnic Israeli's who refused that faith. Instead, his people, illustratively spoken of as God’s bride and the New Jerusalem consist of a mix of ethnic Israelis and gentiles who have embraced the faith of Abraham- in and of the Messiah.

Speaking to both extremes about this issue. This IS the Bible’s OT and NT doctrine on the matter. God will not smile upon anything else that is taught.

Does this mean ethnic Israelis, or Jews, who do not have or refuse the faith of Abraham are no longer God’s chosen people? That would depend on narrative you look at Bible's prophecy through. Which by the way is the main point of friction between the two extremes. One extreme says yes because there is end of the world prophecy in the Bible that revolves around a modern nation of Israel. One says no because only believers count as the children of Abraham by faith so the modern nation is an aberration not mentioned in scripture.

But what says the scripture? Well, according to many chapters of prophecy like Isaiah 54, 60, 61, 62, 65 Rev 20-22. Daniel 2 & 7 They say billions would come to Christ after the Roman Empire ends which happened in 1453 AD; and the natural result of that would be a world transforming for the better. We now know this was due to the general public, (illegally) beginning to gain access to their own Bibles to read themselves right when that empire ended. This is what the Bible means when it said the meek, or the saints, shall inherit the earth. It's why we went from the perpetual rule of kings and emperors to a growing free world of republics as it states in the passage below.

Isaiah 29:18-20 And in that day shall the deaf hear the words of the book, and the eyes of the blind shall see out of obscurity, and out of darkness. The meek also shall increase their joy in the LORD, and the poor among men shall rejoice in the Holy One of Israel. For the tyrannical oppressor is brought to nothing…….

Now we have the key to understanding why modern Israel exists. The process of meek inheriting the earth would providentially lead to the world having mercy on the Jewish people and bringing them back to the land promised to Abraham. NOT for some end of the world apocalypse. But rather as part of the process of the meek inheriting the earth. As stated in the prophecy below. The regions future is 10’s of millions of Jews, Arabs, Egyptians and Syrians finding the faith of Abraham in Jesus their savior. The natural result of theirs and the Bible’s influence will be the transformation of the region. It's how the prophecy below is being fulfilled. All the war, death and destruction is Satan’s doings through darkened hearts to try to stop this from happening. Over the long run, it is not going to work.

Isaiah 19: 23-25 In that day shall there be a highway out of Egypt to Assyria, and the Assyrian shall come into Egypt, and the Egyptian into Assyria, and the Egyptians shall serve with the Assyrians. In that day shall Israel be the third with Egypt and with Assyria, even a blessing in the midst of the land: whom the LORD of hosts shall bless, saying, Blessed be Egypt my people, and Assyria the work of my hands, and Israel mine inheritance.

Good news is it not? Peace on earth, good will towards men news.
I agree with a lot that you write, but this all started with the appearance of the Messiah 2000 years ago. This work has been ongoing since the earthly ministry of Christ and will continue till the second coming. This is not merely a future event. Yes, God can move in a dramatic way among physical israelites today (to whatever degree), but His focus is the nations today (including Israel) and will continue until His climactic return.
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Abortion: Can You Be Both?

Of course Christians can make mistakes.
But do they learn from those mistakes or repeat them in either act or support.

Can a Christian who made one mistake, do it again and would that be ok or just considered a mistake?
I hate calling unborn babies a mistake. :tearsofjoy: A mistake is I forgot to pay my bills, I bought the wrong kind of jelly.

I knew of a girl in my younger years who made nine "mistakes" even as a young girl I knew this was so wrong.
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The Reality of Free Will

I qualify free will as a will free from sin. I learned that from the Holy Spirit of Truth and I gave scripture supporting it. The philosophical free will of secular humanism that disregards God as the power that causes people to act responsibly in love of one another, doesn't even exist in reality. I therefore preach the Gospel where mankind cannot save himself with belief in the false free will that is in reality the fallen carnal will.
Amen to that. . .
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What we need is an economy that works for most Americans.....

Why do you assume that these are the only three options (besides the fact that it allows you to conclude that the only possible explanation is the one that fits your narrative)?

I would bet that the reasons for unions supporting Trump were primarily economic. We had Biden and Harris talking about how great the economy was doing, and while that was objectively true by certain metrics, it didn't line up with the lived experiences of a lot of Americans - especially blue collar union workers in rust belt states. Labor is also generally supportive of an "America First" agenda, and has typically backed efforts to introduce protectionist tariffs and move away from free trade. It also has a tendency to be populist, which aligns them with Trump as well. I think that Republicans realized this and focused efforts on courting labor unions in 2024.

I don't doubt that some union members were turned off by the focus on LGBTQ+ initiatives and policies, but the shift has been building for quite a while now.

I think you're underestimating how many midwestern and southern blue collar workers were put off by some of the "modern progressive" policies.

Not only on the LGBTQ+ front (though, speaking as someone who has a lot of blue collar southern folks on my mom's side of the family...some of that stuff was a bridge too far and they flat out acknowledged the fact that they were voting against their own economic interests by voting for Trump)

...but also on the "if you're against the immigration stances of the progressives, you're a bigot" front. People often forget the fact that unrestricted high concentrations of low-skill immigration (legal or illegal) doesn't create wage competition for white collar workers or people in STEM. It creates competition for blue collar workers.

An accountant, dental hygienist, teacher, chemical engineer, etc... isn't going to lose their job or be forced to take a lower wage by migrants offering to do it for cheaper. However, guys working at a meat packing plant, warehouse, etc... are going to be impacted by that.

Also, the environmental positions of progressives likely didn't sit too well with blue collar workers in those sectors either.

"We're going to teach your kids stuff you don't approve of, don't like it? Tough! we're the smart ones who went to college so we'll decide"
"We need to let in 3 million people who will offer to do your job 40% less than what you're getting paid to do it"
"For some of you, we're going to make your profession obsolete (with no realistic fallback plan) because that's the green thing to do"

You combine all of those factors, I can see why turnout for Harris among blue collar southern and midwestern folks was lackluster.

Those are the two main branches of "politicking" -- you've got your social and you've got your economic. If you want to win over a base (or subset of a base), you have to at least try to "meet them where they're at" on some things in both categories if you want to win.


"I'll get you a 40% raise, but I'll completely ignore the social issues" hasn't ever been a winning formula, despite what James Carville's famous quote would have people believe.
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The Lord's Wrath - How will it Happen

What WILL happen:

The enemies of the Lord gather
- Micah 4:11-12, Ezekiel 36:2

They conspire to attack Israel - Psalms 83:1-8, Isaiah 21:2

They prepare their weapons - Psalms 7:12, Ezekiel 7:14

This is the situation today.



At the moment of attack, God will use His Creation, the sun to send fire - Deuteronomy 32:22 & 34-43, Isaiah 30:26 & 30, Psalms 11:4-6, Isaiah 66:15-17, 2 Peter 3:7, Amos 1:1-15 & 2:1-5 , Psalms 50:1-3, Zephaniah 3:8, Revelation 6:12-17

The sun will explode with an extremely bright flash and the moon will reflect bright red
- Isaiah 30:26, Joel 2:31, Acts 2:20, Habakkuk 3:4-5

The Lord will make their weapons recoil upon themselves, the Electro-Magnetic Pulse hit will cause them to explode - Psalms 7:13-16, Joel 3:4, Obadiah 15

Then the sun, moon and stars will be obscured by the approaching Coronal Mass Ejection - Psalms 18:11-12, Isaiah 13:9-13, Ezekiel 32:7-8, Amos 8:9

A huge superhot mass of hydrogen plasma approaches the earth – Joel 1:15-20, Malachi 4:1, Zephaniah 1:14-18

Everyone on earth will be shocked and terrified - Jeremiah 6:24-26, Ezekiel 21:5-7a, Isaiah 13:6-8, Revelation 6:15-17

The atmosphere will be pushed aside – Revelation 6:14, 2 Peter 3:10, Isaiah 34:4

The whole earth will be enveloped by fire - Isaiah 66:15, Zeph. 3:8, 2 Peter 3:7

In the Holy Land, only a remnant will survive - Zechariah 13:8-9, Isaiah 6:11-13

He will punish His enemies, the attackers of Israel- Psalms 83, Isaiah 63:1-6, Habakkuk 3:12, Revelation 14 18-20, Isaiah 66:17, Isaiah 29:20-21, Hebrews 10:27

His enemies will become ashes - Malachi 4:3, Ezekiel 30:1-5, Jeremiah 49:2, Matthew 3:12b

Millions will die around the world - Psalms 97:3-5, Jeremiah 25:33, Isaiah 13:12

The Lord will protect those who call to Him - Isaiah 43:2, Joel 2:32, Acts 2:21

But most people will take shelter until it passes. Isaiah 2:19, Revelation 6:15

The survivors will form a One World Govt. - Daniel 7:23-24, Revelation 17:12

The Holy Land will be regenerated - Ezekiel 36:8, Joel 2:21-24, Isaiah 35:1-10, Amos 9:13-15, Jeremiah 33:12-14

And the Lord's faithful Christian people will gather there. - Psalms 107, Isaiah 35:1-10, Ezekiel 34:11-16, Isaiah 66:18b-21, Revelation 7:9-14

They will become the new nation of Beulah - Isaiah 62:1-5, Ezekiel 36:3-38, Jeremiah 31

They will build a new Temple – Zechariah 6:15, Haggai 2:9, Ezekiel 40 to 48

The attack by a Northern army will be won by the Lord – Ezekiel 38:22, Joel 2:20

The leaders of Beulah will break the Covenant with the Lord and sign a 7 year peace treaty with the leader of the O.W.G. Daniel 9:27, Isaiah 28:14-15

At the midpoint he will break the treaty and conquer Beulah-Daniel 9:27, Zechariah 14:1-2

This commences the 7 Trumpets and 7 Bowls of the Great Tribulation - Rev 8:2 onward.

Those who kept their faith in God will be taken to a safe place on earth. Daniel 11:32b, Revelation 12:14

3.5 years later, Jesus will Return in His glory, for His Millennial reign - Revelation 19:11-21, Matthew 24:30-31, Zechariah 14:3-4



The Lord has told us His plans and He will not relent or change them - Jeremiah 4:28

There are plenty more prophecies and scriptures to prove this scenario.

Believe it or not it’s up to everyone to decide! Psalms 19:11-12, Isaiah 48:6
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He’s a citizen with a Real ID. ICE detained him anyway. Twice.

There is not a comparison between a civil war and today. You guys seem to try to equate belligerents fighting a civil war and illegal immigrants. Expediting deportations still has to be done within the framework of the constitution not outside of it. Expediting deportations does not justify stoping people without probable cause to just check their “papers”.
The Supreme Court just ruled today that the President can use the Alien enemies act to deport illegals. He also has the authority to use the military to do so.
The due process for criminal noncitizen scam is over, and when the Supreme Court finally rules that the 14th amendment does not confer birthright citizenship, the anchor baby scam will also be over

The divide and conquer strategy of the left wing and Democratic Party is coming to an end. We can begin to be a united country again.

To all illegals, take the deal. 1000 dollars and a free plane ticket to your home country or face ICE and your trip home may not be as pleasant
Leave now and you can make arrangements to return legally. Refuse and stay, when you are removed, you are gone for good

Christ redeems sinners, He does not condone sin

Our Lady of Guadalupe, pray for us
St Juan Diego, pray for us

I love all my Mexican brothers and sisters here in San Antonio as we celebrate our American citizenship. We all love this country for a reason, and it is not to throw it away to criminals
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Test By God

Dear brothers and sisters in Christ,

I hope this message finds you well. I am reaching out today to share my personal
testimony of how God has been testing my faith and trust in Him.

As many of us know, life can be challenging and unpredictable at times. But
through it all, I have come to realize that God uses these trials to refine our
character and strengthen our relationship with Him.

In my own journey, I have faced several difficult circumstances that seemed
impossible to overcome. However, through prayer, perseverance, and trusting in
God's sovereignty, He has seen me through each challenge.

My experience has taught me that when we face tests of our faith, we must:

1. Remain steadfast in our commitment to Christ
2. Trust in His goodness and wisdom
3. Seek guidance from Scripture and prayer
4. Lean on fellow believers for support

I encourage you all to hold fast to your faith during these trying times.
Remember that God is always with us and will never leave us or forsake us (He
brews 13:5).

Let us continue to lift each other up in prayer and stand firm in our walk with
Christ, even as we face various trials and tribulations.

May God bless and strengthen you all,
You don't know what your doing.

Vatican To Announce Decision On Female Deacons Soon

Vatican to announce decision on female deacons soon, according to revelations

Two separate study bodies are now working in parallel. One is tasked with evaluating how women participate in the life, mission, and governance of the Church writ large. The other, more narrowly focused, is examining the historical, theological, and pastoral dimensions of a possible female diaconate

(ZENIT News / Rome, 11.17.2025).- For decades, the question of whether Catholic women might one day serve as deacons has hovered at the edge of ecclesial debate, alternately resurfacing and receding as popes, theologians, and bishops revisited the issue. Now, the discussion is returning to the foreground with unusual momentum. The General Secretariat of the Synod of Bishops has disclosed that a Vatican commission dedicated to the topic is nearing the conclusion of its work, raising expectations that concrete findings may soon be placed before the Holy See. The revelation came in mid-November, embedded in a broader update on the progress of several sensitive research projects launched during the final years of Pope Francis’s pontificate. What emerged from the report is a portrait of a Church carefully but deliberately probing its own internal boundaries.

Continued below.
Vatican to announce decision on female deacons soon, according to revelations | ZENIT - English

UN rapporteur on sexual violence denies Hamas raped women during Oct. 7 attacks

You mean like ITV and antisemitic IDF soldiers brave enough to tell the truth of what has been done in Gaza? Try looking at the video - it might be more enlightening than trawling through my posting history! Like haven't you got better things to do.
No not at the moment. Sorry.
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Pastor, Elders abducted. Gazan Christians struggle. Rejoicing in affliction.

On Sunday, July 27, 2025, Islamists entered a church building in northeastern Benin near the end of the service and abducted its pastor and three elders. Persecution is prevalent in the northern part of Benin, where Christians are beaten and sometimes killed and church buildings are routinely destroyed.

A senior Beninese pastor requested prayer for the abducted church leaders and that Christians in Benin will remain bold witnesses to Christ amid persecution.

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Christians in Gaza have suffered greatly amid the ongoing regional conflict that began on Oct. 7, 2023. “We had about 900 [Christians], and after the war about 200 of them, at least, left Gaza,” said Pastor Hanna Massad of Christian Mission to Gaza.

He also said that living conditions for those who remained have been difficult: “It has been really hard for them. Many of them [have] lost a lot of weight.” Many of the Christians unable to flee from Gaza are sheltering in a Catholic church, which was struck by an Israeli tank shell on July 17, 2025, killing three people. A priest and a relative of Rami Ayyad were among those killed.

Rami was the former manager of the only Christian bookstore in Gaza and was killed by Islamists in 2007 for his faith and ministry activities. The Israeli government claimed the strike on the church was a mistake and is investigating.

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On Aug. 7, 2021, Pastor Wang Xiaoguang; his wife, Yang Rongli; and other leaders of the Linfen church in Shanxi Province were arrested.

They were accused of fraud, which is how the Chinese Communist Party characterizes the collection of tithes in the church. After almost four years of detention, Pastor Wang Xiaoguang was sentenced to nine years and seven months in prison.

In a separate trial, Yang Rongli was sentenced to 15 years in prison. Together, they also face fines of 2.3 million yuan, or more than $320,000. Wang Xiaoguang’s son reported that his father considered it “a great honor” to be put on trial for the Lord, and his mother called the sentence “a great crown given to me by God.” Pray for Pastor Wang, his wife and the church leaders who were charged alongside them. Pray that their endurance will be a powerful testimony to the officials who imprison them and to the church they love.

Click here to find out about Christian persecution in China and learn how to pray.
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Why Zohran Mamdani won and New York will pay a terrible price

And you didn't listen to the critics, which is fine.
I do but let's be clear:
His critics are working from fear.



However, the commission of
civilians he says he'll recreate, will take roles that the police no do. Will the
members of this commission have guns and authority to make arrests when
necessary?
Do cops make arrests with 100% of their engagement?
What if the person just needs mental health support?
I can say right now that having someone who is trained and CAPABLE at de-escalation will do 100% more good than a cop pointing a gun at a problem.
Many, many times.


Those are the questions being asked that are not answered by
Mamdani.
I would foresee that he is likely working out those details and policies.
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House Democrat exchanged texts with Epstein during 2019 congressional hearing

Yeah. I repeat: And....?
And nothing - the facts in the OP showed it was multiple text during a hearing - not an email as you stated - oops
Please, let me know what that "viable subject" is whenever you're ready.
You would have to determine what is viable - you are the one who evidently thought it a salient point that you never heard of her before. Sounds dismissive and non viable to me.
-- A2SG, content to wait, I brought a good book.....
No waiting at all - I'm glad you are content -

Care to correct your error?

-- Always in His Presence, content to wait also - in the middle of the Book of John...
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Trump meets with Saudi Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman at White House

Would you truly have preferred that Trump did nothing to try to stop the current wars in the Middle East?

CHOOSE
Middle East under Biden
Middle East under Trump
I will admit that the middle east is looking a bit better than usual, if you put a screen in front of the piles of corpses the israeli army is still creating during the current "cease fire".


But I don't think this moves the needle enough to make up for Trump's failures in other regards.
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Major News about Iran - Capital move, possible war and more

I looked it up:

Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei set the tone in mid-July, warning that Iran remained fully prepared for renewed confrontation and could hit Israel “even harder” than during the 12-Day War should hostilities resume.
Ah okay, thanks!
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Gov. Abbott declares CAIR, Muslim Brotherhood terrorist groups

The proclamation cites several reasons for the designations, alleging the groups pose a threat to the security and residents of Texas.
"The Muslim Brotherhood and CAIR have long made their goals clear: to forcibly impose Sharia law and establish Islam’s ‘mastership of the world,’" said Governor Abbott. "The actions taken by the Muslim Brotherhood and CAIR to support terrorism across the globe and subvert our laws through violence, intimidation, and harassment are unacceptable. Today, I designated the Muslim Brotherhood and CAIR as foreign terrorist organizations and transnational criminal organizations. These radical extremists are not welcome in our state and are now prohibited from acquiring any real property interest in Texas."

We need to recognize these bad actors who hide by calling others Islamaphobics.

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