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Do you keep the Sabbath? (poll)

Paul did not redefine what God stated
You're right, he uses his own words. Words have the power to express difference things in different contexts and Paul has the freedom to use his words creatively. In the case of 1 Cor 7:19 we have the uniquely ability to compare it with 2 other mirror verses (Gal 5:6, Gal 6:15) that carry the same meaning for greater clarity. Paul is not challenging what Christ said in Mat 15 and Mark 7 but is making a different point and his point is regarding the new creation not the 10 commandments.

Youseem to get locked into narrow view and refuse to see another view. I admit if it were not for Galatians the passage would be difficult to understand as to Paul's specific meaning. But since we do have Galatians and the similarities of the verses in questions have such a striking resemblance to ingore them would be irresponsible.
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Release International prayers for Pakistan.

One of our partners in Pakistan supports Christians in communities who are often enslaved in brick kiln work and who are constantly vulnerable to abuse, because they are Christians.

Support groups provide biblical discipling, as well as collaboration to deal with specific social problems faced by Christian families. The groups run savings programmes to enable members to start self-supporting businesses.

Pray for those in the groups with health issues.

Please pray also for those seeking healing from past drug addition. Pray for real spiritual growth.

Pray for those in the support groups who are now out of work: for God’s provision for them and that they might know God’s peace when burdened with loans.

Pray for younger family members, to be guided and blessed by the Lord in their
faith and struggles.

Pray for the nation of Pakistan: that its government and law enforcement agencies will have the courage and wisdom to implement justice and protect its citizens.

Pray particularly for the rights of Christians and that they would stand strong in their faith in the midst of persecution and hardship.

Six Democrats urge military members to 'refuse illegal orders' in viral video; Hegseth responds

The bar for the military is "manifestly illegal." If Trump's orders were "manifestly illegal" these matters would not be in appellate court. The courts are still trying to figure out if they are "manifestly illegal."


And which the military would have, if any had been illegal orders.

Again, an "illegal order" (not to mention a "manifestly illegal order") is an order to break an existing law.

What is the existing law that the military has been ordered to break?
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The NEA is pushing far left teaching upon children

The question is ..... what would Jesus Christ of Nazareth do?

Here is helpful hint:

"For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved."
John 3:16-21

John 3:32-36
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Stranger Things

It reflects a decline in parenting.
No, it reflects errors on both sides.

Parents did not call for teachers to teach "sight reading" instead of phonics, for instance. We could have had the most well-behaved children, but being taught sight reading, there would still be a downtrend in literacy.
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Zions New Children

The absolute fact is that there is only ONE people of God. Who are His faithful Christian peoples by natural and Spiritual descent. John 17:20-23, +

Natural; by the fact of everyone living today, has some of Abrahams genes.
Spiritual; By accepting the Salvation offered by Jesus.

The truth of ‘born again’ Christians being the only People of God is summed up in a single sentence: Christ called a people together made up of Jews and Gentiles which would be one, not according to the flesh, but in the Spirit, and they would be the people of God.

Jesus Christ has made his followers into the whole People of God. The ministry of Jesus was to bring into existence a renewed people, in continuity with the Israel of old. Paul calls this new community ‘the Israel of God’. Galatians 6:16
Jesus symbolized his intention to do this by choosing the Twelve, Matthew 10:1-8, as representatives of the twelve tribes of Israel and as the foundation members of a renewed and mission minded community.

Christ called a people together made up from people of every tribe, race, nation and language, Revelation 5:9-10, who would be one, not according to the flesh, but in the Spirit, and they are now the Christian people of God. Seen by John in Revelation 7:9
This expanded People of God are bonded together by the sacrifice of the life of Jesus and the gift of his Spirit in their hearts, re-creating, directing, activating and motivating them from within. Paul’s letter to Titus speaks clearly of the influence of the Holy Spirit given at the rite of baptism, the first sacrament of Christian initiation:

Titus 3:5-7 From the goodness and loving kindness of God; our Saviour appeared and He saved us, not because of any works of righteousness that we had done, but according to His mercy, through rebirth and renewal by the Holy Spirit. This Spirit he poured out on us richly through Jesus Christ our Saviour, so that, having been justified by his grace, we would become heirs according to the hope of eternal life.

The clearest expression of the identity of the People of God of the New Covenant is found in 1 Peter 2:9-10 But you are a chosen race, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, God’s own people, in order that you may proclaim the mighty acts of him who called you out of darkness into his marvellous light. Once you were not a people, but now you are God’s people; once you had not received mercy, but now you have received mercy.
Romans 9:24-26 We [Christians] are the recipients of God’s mercy, whom He has called from among the Jews and Gentiles, for as Hosea says: Those who were not My people, I will call My people…..sons of the Living God.
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"Don't Give up the Ship"

Yeah thats why I said the principle doenst include it.

There are situations where a person would be reasonably capable of judging an order illegal - even if theres also other tricky edge cases.
An order is not illegal unless it defies an existing law. That's what the troops are taught "illegal order" means.

Trump praises NYC Mayor-elect Mamdani after White House meeting

Sure. Mandami has called Trump a fascist, but he would never dare say it to his face. Especially when he is groveling at his feet. How else do you explain why Mandami entered the office as some leftist hero that is going to stick it to Trump, only to come out like a battered housewife trying to keep a positive public image?
Neither one of them appeared to be groveling. They were grinning in each other's face like they both just found their new best friend.
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What would you do differently?

I deeply regret choosing “applied statistics” when I returned to college.

At that time, I believed the IT industry was too fast-moving for me, so I turned to statistics. Only now do I realize that belief was misguided—the IT industry actually suits me. Studying applied statistics was almost entirely a waste of time. And money.

I regret not seeking more guidance in prayer before making that choice (that was during the period when I stopped praying the Rosary, which would have saved me from regret). I should have studied something else.

Today, I find myself loving what I once detested, and detest what I once loved.
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Is the Bible inerrant?

There are 3 levels of possibility that we must consider, with the highest implying the level below it.

First is inerrancy, but we must define what kinds of errors are "tolerable" to maintain such a thing in any sense of the word without playing ostrich regarding critical scholarship. At best, the autographs were inerrant but that is of no real consequence since we don't have them and its questionable that there even were genuine autograaphs of several books.

The next is infallibility, which is the idea that anything the Bible endeavors to teach it is unquestionably authoritative. This view doesn't require inerrancy, only impeccbility on every teaching present in the text no matter what it is being taught.

Finally, there is indefeasibility. Which simply says that within its sphere of authority nothing the Bible teaches can be overturned. This view differs from infallibility because it recognizes that there is a scope of topics that underlie the Biblical works and that there are certain aspects where things mentioned or "taught" are not within the intended domain. Under this view, we might say that the sole interest of the Bible is theological content and things pertaining to salvation.

My view is somewhere between infallibility and indefeasibility, though primarily indefeasibility.
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Jonestown

Jonestown News Updates
Tourism at the Site: A private tourism company in Guyana, Wanderlust Adventures, has begun offering guided tours of the former Peoples Temple compound, a decision met with mixed reactions from survivors. The company defends the tours as an educational opportunity to discuss the dangers of blind faith, while some survivors view it as an "abuse" and a way to profit from tragedy.
47th Anniversary: November 18, 2025, marks the 47th anniversary of the mass murder-suicide, in which 918 people died.

ME: Since, I was part of the Military clean up team. I think this is disgusting.

Googled Jonestown news, there are some stories on it.

Obama care collapsing.....

The cheap health insurance promoted by Trump officials has this catch



The loophole for short-term plans


Short-term plans, which were previously limited to a duration of four months, were vastly expanded in 2018 by the Trump administration, which saw them as an alternative to ACA plans, which they opposed. To make the short-term plans more accessible, the Trump administration ruled that a short-term policy could last as long as three years.

“President Trump is bringing more affordable insurance options back to the market,” Health Secretary Alex Azar said at the time. “These plans aren’t for everyone, but they can provide a much more affordable option for millions of the forgotten men and women left out by the current system.”

Even some insurance companies wondered whether this relaxation of regulations was a good idea. Cigna executives raised objections to the proposed rule, worrying that consumers would end up with a cheaper short-term plan but “find themselves in need of certain benefits or protections.” Aetna suggested adding more consumer protections to the short-term plans. The largest health insurance company, UnitedHealth Group, however, recommended approval of the proposed rule “as quickly as possible.”

In the year after the rule was loosened in 2018, another 600,000 consumers turned to the policies, according to a 2020 study by congressional Democrats. While solid estimates of the total number of annual enrollees are hard to come by, they put the figure at 3 million.

Problems quickly emerged, their study said. Incentivized by larger sales bonuses, brokers were using deceptive marketing materials to sell short-term policies, the report said. It “is unclear what kind of value consumers are getting for their premium dollars,” it said, “other than a false sense of security.”

Last year, debate erupted again when the Biden administration reversed the Trump rule and restored the four-month limit on the policies. This year, though, the Trump administration announced it was again coming up with its own definition of “short-term” and would not prioritize enforcement of the Biden-era rule.

In comments for this article, the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services said in a statement that the short-term plans can play “a crucial role in offering stopgap coverage solutions ... and can be significantly cheaper than ACA coverage.” The agency also noted that the administration has sought to expand access to “catastrophic” health plans, a form of ACA coverage with high deductibles but lower premiums that had been limited by age and income. In 2025, 54,000 people enrolled in them, according to researchers.

In a statement for this article, UnitedHealthcare said, “Short-term plans are designed to meet consumer demand for more flexible, low-cost options, but they are not for everyone. We encourage people to make informed decisions about their health insurance coverage and compare different types of plans.”
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Are the Jews Israel, or is the church Israel? Or does it depend on the context of the passage?

Show me where Jesus indicated that they had to obey the law of Moses after His resurrection. He never did. You continue to just make things up.

Already gave you Matthew 28:20.

All means all
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The goal of Christianity in 'Not' to stop sinning!

I don't mean this to be disrespectful in any way, but I have to ask... "Why?"

Why are we to focus our efforts, any at all really, on confronting our sinful passions? How is being focused on ourselves bringing any glory whatsoever to God? My post, if you read it all the way through, concludes with me explaining how our focus should be on God and getting to know more of God, plain and simple. It is only through this act alone will we see ourselves overcoming sin.

If I'm understanding you and some of the things you've posted here, you have an intellectual knowledge of GOD. You desire to know about HIM, not know HIM directly, personally.

Christianity is a Spiritual walk, one built around an ongoing relationship with Jesus. One where we also want to allow The Father to operate through us like HE did through Jesus, to HIS glory.

Christ-likeness is not just in name only, it is in deed. And the only way that it can happen through us is by partaking of HIS holiness, which requires us to spend great amounts of time with HIM in prayer and worship.

It's nice to find the place where you reckon yourself dead unto sins and alive unto GOD, but now it has to be taken to a place of action with GOD, and that requires spending time with HIM, not trying to just know about HIM by gleaning knowledge from the pages of scripture.
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Historic Premillennialism vs Amillennialism

Hello!

I'm undecided about eschatology but doing some research on it. I think good points are made for both amillennialism and premillennialism. The only view I currently hold to with is inaugurated eschatology (or "already and not yet") where most prophecy has double fulfillment.
Can you explain what you mean by this? For example, scripture prophesies about the second coming of Christ. Do you think that has a double fulfillment? Another example is that the dead will all be resurrected (John 5:28-29). Do you think that has a double fulfillment?

It's normally associated with George Eldon Ladd, who was a premillennialist, but I don't see why one can't be amillennial and also agree with inaugurated eschatology.

I'm wondering if one can hold to a non-literalistic premillennialism?
I suppose that's technically possible, but I have not ever seen any premils who take that approach.

Like, I don't think the events in Revelation are strictly chronological and probably could be oit of order or just the same events from different angles.
Agree. It's usually Amils who see it that way, but some Premils see it that way, also. But, Amils see Revelation 20:9 as another angle of the return of Christ. It talks about fire coming down from heaven to destroy those who come against the camp of the saints. Amils take that to be referring to unbelievers opposing the church and then Jesus coming in flaming fire to take vengeance on them (2 Thess 1:7-10) by bringing fire down upon the entire earth (2 Peter 3:10-12).

I also don't know if I believe the 1,000 years mentioned in the book to be be a literal millennium.

Could one believe in a Millennial State after the Second Coming, but not think the Millennial Kingdom will be a literal 1,000 years?
Technically, yes, but I've never seen anyone claim to believe that.
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Identifying Historical/Religious Tiles (Image Attached)

According to AI - it is a close up photograph of the top side of an intel Xeon Platinum 848+ processor

The golden/bronze color and the distinctive pattern of circles and squares are the exposed copper layers of the processor’s integrated heat spreader (IHS) after the nickel plating and lid have been removed (a process called “delidding”).

What you’re seeing is the actual silicon dies (the four large rectangular chips arranged around the center) and the surrounding copper heat-spreading structure that sits directly under the lid on these server-grade CPUs. The circular features are thermal vias and structural supports in the copper IHS.

Perhaps you have a different view of these tiles?

Which AI said that? It was quite wrong, here’s what a Xeon Platinum 8480 die looks like:


You can tell the image he linked is of ceramic tiles and not of CPU dies because of the extreme variability between each tile, and obvious grouting and contamination (and he found them at a local cemetary that had Druze persons buried).

I am probably (a) the most advanced user and developer of LLM-based AI systems on this, in that I now engage in prompt engineering professionally and have also done work at the forefront of an AI sentience. I am also among the members who along with my Roman Catholic friend @Michie who I don’t think is enthusiastic about AI to put it midly, whereas I am, for me, LLM systems are the fulfilment of a lifelong dream, would most strongly caution against relying on “AI”, especially an unnamed AI, as an authority. Indeed once in an argument with a member who tried to cite the output of an AI against the Roman Catholic Church I pointed out this was an appeal to unqualified authority, and proved it by producing an article from Grok about how Pope Gregory XVII in the 1970s following a fictional encyclical, complete with a Latin title, canonized one of the founders of their denomination, who was known for her outspoken criticism of the RCC.

I love AI, but I don’t trust AI; all output from AI should be checked, and as a systems programmer who in my career has seen photographs of countless CPU dies in the trade press I am 90% sure the image above is not of a CPU die, and if it is, it was of one that was de-lidded in such a rough and incompetent manner as to deform the heatsinks in a manner that happens to resemble ceramic tiles.

Now, I’m not an expert in the Druze religion (few people are, who aren’t Druze, indeed even among the Druze they have a hieratic caste that alone is fully indoctrinated into their belief system), but I did find images of Druze ritual hats that have stylistic similarities to the tiles linked to: SYRIAN – DRUZE ceremonial religious glass beaded hats
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Trump's history of acts of kindness and generosity

Just for Context:

When Trump gives someone 25,000 dollars, that is the equivalent of me dropping 50 cents into a homeless persons cup (comparing the donation to our net worths)

So I'm wondering, could we start a thread about how awesome I am when I drop a fiver in the Salvation Army bowl?


How low does the bar have to be?
Pretty much anything isn't going to be good enough for the Trump hate camp, so what's the point? Although probably every little bit of good he does irks them.
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Anti-Muslim Bigotry Directed at Mamdani

It really seems that you don't like the guy and that he's going to be bad new for NY. I think you don't want him to do well. But I Really like that you don't feel that you always have to agree withTrump. That's quite refreshing.

From here: Trump says he ‘absolutely’ would live in Mamdani’s New York during unexpectedly cordial first meeting – US politics live

'When asked by a reporter whether he would live in New York under Mamdani’s leadership, Trump said “absolutely”. “We agree on a lot more than I would have thought,” Trump said. “I want him to do a great job, and we’ll help them do a great job.”

I will say, that was an entertaining meeting...

I especially chuckled at the part where a reporter asked Mamdani "You've said Trump is a fascist, do you still feel that way?"

Mamdani was just starting to give his "political" answer of "well, I've stated before that..."

When Trump grabbed his arm and said "It's okay, just say yes...it's a lot easier to say yes... I don't mind" and they both laughed.

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Maybe we're witnessing the beginning of a comedic "Odd Couple" situation

Or perhaps a begrudging "well, we're stuck with each other, might as well try to make the best of it" situation like this
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