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Teen on Royal Caribbean cruise attacked by HIV-infected illegal immigrant: police
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Family sues Royal Caribbean after man allegedly served 33 drinks dies aboard cruise ship
Family sues Royal Caribbean after man allegedly served 33 drinks dies aboard cruise ship
Family sues Royal Caribbean after man dies on cruise following 33 drinks and alleged crew force. Autopsy ruled death a homicide in shocking case.
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Daniel 12 ended 70 AD
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Daniel 12
12 “At that time Michael, the great prince who protects your people, will arise.
(this is about the war in heaven in Rev 12 Michael vs the devil. The war happened when Jesus said ◄ John 12:31 Now is the time for judgment on this world; now the prince of this world will be driven out, and Luke 10 18 And He said unto them, “I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven.)
There will be a time of distress such as has not happened from the beginning of nations until then.
(this is about 70 AD. Jesus said it would be great tribulation greater than ever has been or would be - in context of the pre messianic, and Mosaic age, and 70 AD was the end of OT Israel, and the Mosaic age never to return ever again).
But at that time your people—everyone whose name is found written in the book—will be delivered. 2 Multitudes who sleep in the dust of the earth will awake: some to everlasting life, others to shame and everlasting contempt. 3 Those who are wise[a] will shine like the brightness of the heavens, and those who lead many to righteousness, like the stars for ever and ever.
(prophecy of massive resurrection of the dead of every Israelite, "Daniels people"= Israelites, in the OT . The book is Gods book with his people in it referenced in Exodus 32:32–33, then in Revelation there is the lambs book which might just be NT times book with Christians names in it.)
4 But you, Daniel, roll up and seal the words of the scroll until the time of the end. Many will go here and there to increase knowledge.”
(the end means the end of the Mosaic age 70 AD not the end of time. Seal it because it won't happen until 70 AD. Could increase in knowledge be in reference to the Qumran sect which went back to books like 1 Enoch, Test of the 12, Jubilees? )
5 Then I, Daniel, looked, and there before me stood two others, one on this bank of the river and one on the opposite bank. 6 One of them said to the man clothed in linen, who was above the waters of the river, “How long will it be before these astonishing things are fulfilled?”
7 The man clothed in linen, who was above the waters of the river, lifted his right hand and his left hand toward heaven, and I heard him swear by him who lives forever, saying, “It will be for a time, times and half a time. When the power of the holy people has been finally broken, all these things will be completed.”
(3.5 years. 66 AD start of Judean Roman wars-70 AD temple destroyed or 70-73 AD ending with suicide at Masada. Daily sacrifices stopped both 66, and 70 AD in Josephus).
8 I heard, but I did not understand. So I asked, “My lord, what will the outcome of all this be?”
9 He replied, “Go your way, Daniel, because the words are rolled up and sealed until the time of the end. 10 Many will be purified, made spotless and refined, but the wicked will continue to be wicked. None of the wicked will understand, but those who are wise will understand.
11 “From the time that the daily sacrifice is abolished and the abomination that causes desolation is set up, there will be 1,290 days. 12 Blessed is the one who waits for and reaches the end of the 1,335 days.
Christians were purified 30-70 AD when they died for their faith- John Baptist, Stephen, Antipas are 3 named in the bible then there were more under Nero in the 60s AD
Another approx 3.5 year timeframe so 66-70 AD or 70-73 AD.
13 “As for you, go your way till the end. You will rest, and then at the end of the days you will rise to receive your allotted inheritance.”
John 5
25 Very truly I tell you, a time is coming and has now come when the dead will hear the voice of the Son of God and those who hear will live. 26 For as the Father has life in himself, so he has granted the Son also to have life in himself. 27 And he has given him authority to judge because he is the Son of Man.
28 Do not be amazed at this, for a time is coming when all who are in their graves will hear his voice 29 and come out—those who have done what is good will rise to live, and those who have done what is evil will rise to be condemned.
(same language as the prophecy of dead raising in Dan 12).
⭐ John 6:39–40
“I will raise him up on the last day.” (last day of the Mosaic covenant 70 AD).
⭐ John 6:44
“No one can come to Me unless the Father draws him… and I will raise him up at the last day.”
⭐ John 11:25–26
“I am the resurrection and the life; whoever believes in Me… will live even if he dies.”
⭐ Matthew 22:31–32 (also Mark 12:26–27; Luke 20:37–38)
“He is not the God of the dead, but of the living.”
⭐ Luke 14:14
“You will be repaid at the resurrection of the righteous.”
⭐ Luke 20:35–36
“Those considered worthy to attain… and the resurrection from the dead… can no longer die.”
1 Thessalonians 4
14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.
(Gospel of Nic explains Jesus took these people to paradise when he was dead for 3 days)
15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.
(we who are alive means the apostle writing this text, and other first century Christians 2000 years ago it does not mean in the future)
16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
(this trumpet is in Revelation 10:7,and Rev 1-12 which happened 70 AD. It calls it the mystery of God. Gospel of Nic has more info on the people that raised from the dead the day Jesus died but there was going to be more around 70 AD)
17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
(the living Christians in Judea at this event would of been raptured)
18 Wherefore comfort one another with these words.
Now when he was crucified, there was darkness over all the world, and the sun was obscured for half a day, and the stars appeared, but no lustre was seen in them; and the moon lost its brightness, as though tinged with blood; and the world of the departed was swallowed up; so that the very sanctuary of the temple, as they call it, did not appear to the Jews themselves at their fall, but they perceived a chasm in the earth, and the rolling of successive thunders. And amid this terror the dead appeared rising again, as the Jews themselves bore witness, and said that it was Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, and the twelve patriarchs, and Moses, and Job, who had died before, as they say, some three thousand five hundred years. And there were very many whom I myself saw appearing in the body, and they made lamentation
over the Jews, because of the transgression which was committed by them, and because of the destruction of the Jews and of their law.
1 Corinthians 15
51 Listen, I tell you a mystery: We will not all sleep, but we will all be changed— 52 in a flash, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, the dead will be raised imperishable, and we will be changed. 53 For the perishable must clothe itself with the imperishable, and the mortal with immortality
trumpet again Rev 10:7 7 But in the days when the seventh angel is about to sound his trumpet, the mystery of God will be accomplished, just as he announced to his servants the prophets.” both have the word mystery. We means the first Christians 2000 years ago not us today or future. Same kind of prophecy as the one in Thessalonians above.
Only Rev 1-12 happened 70 AD Rev 13-22 is future. There is a massive raising from the dead in Rev 20-22 which is still future.
The end of the animal apocalypse in 1 Enoch (written pre flood not pseudepigrapha) explains there was a huge spiritual judgement on OT Israelites first century AD too
12 “At that time Michael, the great prince who protects your people, will arise.
(this is about the war in heaven in Rev 12 Michael vs the devil. The war happened when Jesus said ◄ John 12:31 Now is the time for judgment on this world; now the prince of this world will be driven out, and Luke 10 18 And He said unto them, “I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven.)
There will be a time of distress such as has not happened from the beginning of nations until then.
(this is about 70 AD. Jesus said it would be great tribulation greater than ever has been or would be - in context of the pre messianic, and Mosaic age, and 70 AD was the end of OT Israel, and the Mosaic age never to return ever again).
But at that time your people—everyone whose name is found written in the book—will be delivered. 2 Multitudes who sleep in the dust of the earth will awake: some to everlasting life, others to shame and everlasting contempt. 3 Those who are wise[a] will shine like the brightness of the heavens, and those who lead many to righteousness, like the stars for ever and ever.
(prophecy of massive resurrection of the dead of every Israelite, "Daniels people"= Israelites, in the OT . The book is Gods book with his people in it referenced in Exodus 32:32–33, then in Revelation there is the lambs book which might just be NT times book with Christians names in it.)
4 But you, Daniel, roll up and seal the words of the scroll until the time of the end. Many will go here and there to increase knowledge.”
(the end means the end of the Mosaic age 70 AD not the end of time. Seal it because it won't happen until 70 AD. Could increase in knowledge be in reference to the Qumran sect which went back to books like 1 Enoch, Test of the 12, Jubilees? )
5 Then I, Daniel, looked, and there before me stood two others, one on this bank of the river and one on the opposite bank. 6 One of them said to the man clothed in linen, who was above the waters of the river, “How long will it be before these astonishing things are fulfilled?”
7 The man clothed in linen, who was above the waters of the river, lifted his right hand and his left hand toward heaven, and I heard him swear by him who lives forever, saying, “It will be for a time, times and half a time. When the power of the holy people has been finally broken, all these things will be completed.”
(3.5 years. 66 AD start of Judean Roman wars-70 AD temple destroyed or 70-73 AD ending with suicide at Masada. Daily sacrifices stopped both 66, and 70 AD in Josephus).
8 I heard, but I did not understand. So I asked, “My lord, what will the outcome of all this be?”
9 He replied, “Go your way, Daniel, because the words are rolled up and sealed until the time of the end. 10 Many will be purified, made spotless and refined, but the wicked will continue to be wicked. None of the wicked will understand, but those who are wise will understand.
11 “From the time that the daily sacrifice is abolished and the abomination that causes desolation is set up, there will be 1,290 days. 12 Blessed is the one who waits for and reaches the end of the 1,335 days.
Christians were purified 30-70 AD when they died for their faith- John Baptist, Stephen, Antipas are 3 named in the bible then there were more under Nero in the 60s AD
Another approx 3.5 year timeframe so 66-70 AD or 70-73 AD.
13 “As for you, go your way till the end. You will rest, and then at the end of the days you will rise to receive your allotted inheritance.”
John 5
25 Very truly I tell you, a time is coming and has now come when the dead will hear the voice of the Son of God and those who hear will live. 26 For as the Father has life in himself, so he has granted the Son also to have life in himself. 27 And he has given him authority to judge because he is the Son of Man.
28 Do not be amazed at this, for a time is coming when all who are in their graves will hear his voice 29 and come out—those who have done what is good will rise to live, and those who have done what is evil will rise to be condemned.
(same language as the prophecy of dead raising in Dan 12).
⭐ John 6:39–40
“I will raise him up on the last day.” (last day of the Mosaic covenant 70 AD).
⭐ John 6:44
“No one can come to Me unless the Father draws him… and I will raise him up at the last day.”
⭐ John 11:25–26
“I am the resurrection and the life; whoever believes in Me… will live even if he dies.”
⭐ Matthew 22:31–32 (also Mark 12:26–27; Luke 20:37–38)
“He is not the God of the dead, but of the living.”
⭐ Luke 14:14
“You will be repaid at the resurrection of the righteous.”
⭐ Luke 20:35–36
“Those considered worthy to attain… and the resurrection from the dead… can no longer die.”
1 Thessalonians 4
14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.
(Gospel of Nic explains Jesus took these people to paradise when he was dead for 3 days)
15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.
(we who are alive means the apostle writing this text, and other first century Christians 2000 years ago it does not mean in the future)
16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
(this trumpet is in Revelation 10:7,and Rev 1-12 which happened 70 AD. It calls it the mystery of God. Gospel of Nic has more info on the people that raised from the dead the day Jesus died but there was going to be more around 70 AD)
17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
(the living Christians in Judea at this event would of been raptured)
18 Wherefore comfort one another with these words.
The Lost Books of the Bible: Letters of Herod and Pilate | Sacred Texts Archive
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Now when he was crucified, there was darkness over all the world, and the sun was obscured for half a day, and the stars appeared, but no lustre was seen in them; and the moon lost its brightness, as though tinged with blood; and the world of the departed was swallowed up; so that the very sanctuary of the temple, as they call it, did not appear to the Jews themselves at their fall, but they perceived a chasm in the earth, and the rolling of successive thunders. And amid this terror the dead appeared rising again, as the Jews themselves bore witness, and said that it was Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, and the twelve patriarchs, and Moses, and Job, who had died before, as they say, some three thousand five hundred years. And there were very many whom I myself saw appearing in the body, and they made lamentation
over the Jews, because of the transgression which was committed by them, and because of the destruction of the Jews and of their law.
1 Corinthians 15
51 Listen, I tell you a mystery: We will not all sleep, but we will all be changed— 52 in a flash, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, the dead will be raised imperishable, and we will be changed. 53 For the perishable must clothe itself with the imperishable, and the mortal with immortality
trumpet again Rev 10:7 7 But in the days when the seventh angel is about to sound his trumpet, the mystery of God will be accomplished, just as he announced to his servants the prophets.” both have the word mystery. We means the first Christians 2000 years ago not us today or future. Same kind of prophecy as the one in Thessalonians above.
Only Rev 1-12 happened 70 AD Rev 13-22 is future. There is a massive raising from the dead in Rev 20-22 which is still future.
The end of the animal apocalypse in 1 Enoch (written pre flood not pseudepigrapha) explains there was a huge spiritual judgement on OT Israelites first century AD too
Shark Feeding Frenzy
- By Bob Crowley
- Pets & Animals
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This is a short video of a shark feeding frenzy at Byron Bay in New South Wales as reported on the (Australian) ABC online news.
www.abc.net.au
The bay is on the northern side of Cape Byron which is the eastern most point of mainland Australia.
There's a couple of swimmers taking a risk but they may not have been able to see the sharks.
en.wikipedia.org
PS - The article mentions a couple of Swiss nationals who were attacked at Crowdy Bay National Park last month. One of them died unfortunately but it seems they may have been swimming in the vicinity of bait balls.
www.abc.net.au
Shark feeding frenzy at Byron Bay 'spectacular' but dangerous
A marine scientist warns against getting in the ocean with sharks after footage emerges of swimmers at Byron Bay next to a huge school of bait fish and hundreds of the predators.
www.abc.net.au
The bay is on the northern side of Cape Byron which is the eastern most point of mainland Australia.
There's a couple of swimmers taking a risk but they may not have been able to see the sharks.
Cape Byron - Wikipedia
PS - The article mentions a couple of Swiss nationals who were attacked at Crowdy Bay National Park last month. One of them died unfortunately but it seems they may have been swimming in the vicinity of bait balls.
Consulate 'supporting the relatives' of Swiss shark attack victims
The Swiss consulate says it is providing support for the relatives of two Swiss nationals who were attacked by a bull shark on the NSW Mid North Coast.
www.abc.net.au
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State leaders speak out about plans to expand the Islamic Academy of Alabama
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UK under Massive Islamization: 11 Incidents Act as Evidence
The period between 2000 and 2025 has witnessed a undeniable trend towards the Islamization of the UK, a shift that has sparked alarm
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Well, off we go
- By Bradskii
- American Politics
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Do yourself a big favour. Try to find reputable sources to back up any claims you want to make. And tell anyone who thinks to use that dismal excuse for a human being such as Miller to support anything whatsoever is only illustrating their own gullibility.
The Somali Welfare Fraud Scandal Is Even Worse Than You Think
The Somali-tied welfare fraud scheme in Minnesota is likely far worse than the American people think, involving “complicit” state government officials and totaling far more stolen money than original early estimates stated, according to Homeland Security Advisor Stephen Miller.Billions of...www.dailywire.com
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