Servus said:

To "frame" someone means to maliciously and falsely make an innocent person appear guilty of a crime, often by planting misleading evidence or creating a false narrative. It is a deliberate act of setting someone up to be accused of a crime they did not commit.

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According to the National Registry of Exonerations, over 3,300 individuals have been exonerated since 1989, and false or misleading evidence is among the major causes.

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What evidence do you have that the evidence presented in any of the trials were Trump was found guilty was planted, false or misleading in any way?

You must have some kind of evidence, right? You're not just making stuff up here, are you?

-- A2SG, I mean, it does sound like that, but I'll give you the benefit of the doubt here.....

Douggg said:

I think the Jews who believe in Jesus, Paul is calling the Israel of God in Galatians 6:16.

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Typical of how you and others insist on a Jewish redemption. Something never said to happen in scripture.
Only those Jews; and everyone else, who accept Jesus now, will be saved. In Jerusalem, by hiding underground; Isaiah 29:1-4, Zephaniah 1:18, and around the world.

Paul is identifying ALL those who follow the Way of Christ, are included as the Israel of God.
Those people who do not follow the Way of Christ, are rejected as the Israelites of God, even if they could prove descent from Judah. Which none of the Jews can.

Apple Sky said:

I know, so why do you think he posted them ?

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I have absolutely no idea, as they don't relate to Russia's knowledge or lack of knowledge in 1948 about the earth's shape. Here is the content of the first link, as an example of what I mean. Perhaps you could indicate where that links says anything about Russia's knowledge of the earth's shape:

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The Nixon Collection

Nixon and the People’s Republic of China: CIA’s Support of the Historic 1972 Presidential Trip
This collection marks the 50th anniversary of President Richard M. Nixon’s February 1972 trip to the People’s Republic of China (PRC) – a landmark event that preceded the establishment of diplomatic relations between the two countries. This small collection, consisting of three city guides, an atlas, and four leadership profiles, is a subset of the materials CIA produced for President Nixon and National Security Advisor Henry Kissinger in preparation for the seven-day visit.
City guides were produced on Peking (Beijing), Shanghai, and Hang-Chou (Hangzhou)1, as these cities were part of President Nixon’s tour of the PRC. Each guide included a brief history of the city, contemporary maps and photographs, and descriptions of geography, climates, and points of interest.
CIA also produced an 82-page atlas of the PRC for President Nixon’s trip. The US government distributed more than 4,000 copies to government customers and non-government institutions and libraries, and sold 30,000 copies to the public for a short period after the trip for $5.25, or $35.19 in today’s dollars. This is the first time in fifty years CIA has made the atlas available to the public.
This collection also includes leadership profiles—assessments that CIA provides US Presidents and other policymakers to assist them in understanding their foreign counterparts. The profiles in this collection include Chinese Communist Party (CCP) Chairman Mao Tse-tung (Mao Zedong) and Premier Chou En-lai (Zhou Enlai). A profile of Lin Piao (Lin Biao), Vice Chair of the CCP, prepared for this trip is also included in this collection; however, Lin died in a plane crash five months before President Nixon’s visit.

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1 CIA did not begin using the non-Romanization spelling of Beijing and Hangzhou until 1979. This article provides updated spellings elsewhere in parentheses.
See The Nixon Collection (8 documents/331 pages).

Current/Central Intelligence Bulletin Collection

Central Intelligence Bulletin
Harry Truman was the first U.S. president to receive a daily intelligence digest. At his direction, the Daily Summary began production in February 1946, and continued until February 1951. President Truman was pleased with the product, but a survey group commissioned by the National Security Council in 1949 was critical of the Daily Summary and issued several recommendations to improve it. The new version, called the Current Intelligence Bulletin, began production on 28 February 1951, and this remained the format of the president's daily digest through Dwight Eisenhower's two terms, although it was retitled the Central Intelligence Bulletin in 1958. The Current/Central Intelligence Bulletin grew longer than its predecessor over time with the addition of more items and more analysis, and would eventually contain more graphics as printing technology improved.
2 January-30 June 1961
The new Kennedy Administration confronted a full array of international issues in 1961. In April, a group of CIA-trained Cuban exiles landed at the Bay of Pigs on the southern coast of Cuba with the goal of overthrowing the Fidel Castro regime and establishing an anti-Communist government. The outnumbered invading force was quickly repelled by Castro's troops. The year's reports were dominated by the worsening Congo crisis, with the fragmentation of the country widening despite the efforts of the United Nations, and US concern over the high tempo of Soviet testing of space vehicles and intercontinental ballistic missiles. The situation in Laos deteriorated, as the Communist Pathet Lao insurgency gained strength against the US-backed Royal Lao government.
The changes at the CIA following the Bay of Pigs included a format update for the president's daily intelligence report. The new version, called the President's Intelligence Checklist (PICL), was first delivered on 17 June 1961. The Central Intelligence Bulletin continued to be produced as a separate publication until 10 Jan 1974, when it was replaced by the National Intelligence Daily. The PICL, however, was the president's primary written intelligence source through the remainder of the Kennedy Administration. The Kennedy PICL reports are available here
This historical release includes: the Central Intelligence Bulletin reports from 2 January-30 June 1961 (2752 pages).
This release is the thirteenth and final release in the Current/Central Intelligence Bulletin series.
See the Current/Central Intelligence Bulletin Collection

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Aquiline

aquiline adj. of or like the eagle.
Aerial intelligence collection platforms have played a critical role in US national security from the earliest beginnings of aviation. CIA's 1960s OXCART Program and its use of U-2s are examples of collection innovations that have kept US leaders informed about adversaries' capabilities and intentions. Despite their success, however, use of these platforms carried significant risks and repercussions, including detection and even pilot loss, such as the downing of the U-2 flown by Francis Gary Powers in 1960. Ever-evolving research by the CIA led to the development concept of unmanned aerial vehicles (UAVs) as collection platforms. An innovative Agency program in the 1960s codenamed Aquiline was the very first to test this concept. Based initially on the study of flight characteristics of birds, Aquiline was envisioned as a long-range vehicle that could safely and stealthily provide a window into denied areas such as the Soviet Union through photography and other capabilities, and would even support in-place agent operations. While it never became operational, the concept proved invaluable as a forerunner to today's multi-capability UAVs.
Learn more about CIA's early eagle (40 documents/289 pages).

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The Collapse of Communism in Eastern Europe: A 30-Year Legacy

The Collapse of Communism in Eastern Europe: A 30-Year Legacy
This collection includes a broad sampling of articles from the National Intelligence Daily—the CIA's principal form of current intelligence analysis at the time—from February 1989 to March 1990. These articles represent much of the Agency's short-term analysis of events unfolding in Central and Eastern Europe as popular opposition to Soviet misrule erupted and quickly surpassed anything the Communist regimes were prepared to understand or to which they could respond. The material also represents a major source of information and insight for US policymakers into what was happening in these countries, where the situation was heading, and how a collapse of Communist rule in Europe and the beginnings of the breakup of the Soviet Union would impact Europe and the United States.

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Studyman said:

I appreciate the reply. But isn't there a big difference between one of the Chosen "Apostles of Christ", and a "Disciple" of Christ?

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I wouldn’t split hairs. All of the Apostles, with the exception of Paul, were Disciples of Christ when Christ was on the earth. Paul has his conversion to authenticate his Apostleship, and he also has many other signs he performed. His Epistles are consistent with Christ’s teaching and the rest of the Scripture.

Studyman said:

Apostle means "Ἀπόστολος" means "messenger, he that is sent". (Strongs) John the Baptist would have Also been an Apostle, Yes?

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I would not view him as one, because he is not part of the Church due to his death before Christ’s death and resurrection. Those who came before Christ who believed in Him as “friends of the bridegroom” who are not part of the Church/Body of Christ proper (see Matthew 11:11, John is not part of the Kingdom of Heaven). The church had Apostles sent from Christ and has Disciples of Christ in the present.

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Yes, they are gone, but their teaching, along with the Prophets God also sent, is still here.

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Yes, the Bible contains the teaching of the Apostles.

I do wonder what you make of Hebrews 10:23-25:

Hebrews 10:23-25 said:

Let’s hold firmly to the confession of our hope without wavering, for He who promised is faithful; and let’s consider how to encourage one another in love and good deeds, not abandoning our own meeting together, as is the habit of some people, but encouraging one another; and all the more as you see the day drawing near.

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Hard to meet together with fellow Christians without sitting under the teaching of a pastor and submitting to church authority.

Aldebaran said:

All at at cost of $1,500,000,000,000 (and increasing each year) to the taxpayers (and their great-great grandchildren).
"Save money!" Ha!

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$1,500,000,000,000 sounds low.

Isaac the Recluse said:

The Wisdom of Sirach is canonical to the Orthodox Church and is in my Bible. It may not be in your bible, but that only makes it apocryphal by your definition.

I'm sure there's site rules about this.

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Well, it wasn't in the Hebrew Old Testament, and unlike the actual Old Testament books, it is not quoted in the New Testament. I couldn't see any mention of the Apocrypha in the Forum Rules.

Mark Quayle said:

If you want me to 'admit' that it is possible that some babies go to hell, ok. I insist that it is possible, until someone can demonstrate to my satisfaction that babies are born innocent, without the inherent corruption endemic to the rest of us.

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Well, I didn't ask for your opinion to judge you, but you were kind of hiding in the shade brush so I figured I would whistle you out of there. lol

I can read between the lines, even if there are more than three there, and knew the stance but wasn't going to "speak for you." I definitely disagree and to say I have experienced God differently would be an understatement. I think every single case before God, souls that is, is judged individually by an absolutely perfect Judge. I think, and you can correct me if I'm wrong, you believe that also. At least that is what I'm gathering from what you have stated so far.

To posit my particular stance on this, I claim God to be a perfect and righteous Judge who is full of mercy and being more merciful than any of us would incline one to believe Him as a God who is love (1 John 4:7 - 1 John 4:8) to be merciful to children who have never committed any deeds physically, let alone sins, even though being born in sin, and that the blood of Jesus would give God the right to remove that sinful nature they are born with even more easily than He does ours who have committed many thousands upon thousands of sins over the course of our life.

Abraham calls God the Judge of all the Earth in Genesis 18:25, and cries out for Lot who is obviously (if we read Scripture later in Genesis of him upon the angels visit in Sodom) not the most righteous man in the Bible, and far from it if I'm to be blunt on the subject. Yet the righteous Judge had mercy on this man, living in the most sinful and one of the worst judged (if not the worst) cities to ever exist on this Earth.

We know that God forgave Lot because he is recorded in the New Testament differently than we read in the records of the Old Testament. In Hebrews 11 we find all of the saints / patriarchs of the Old Testament recorded as righteous and full of faith. Abraham was not always full of faith! Having doubted enough to try on his own through an alternative method of producing a son by means of Sarah's handmaid. Yet in Hebrews 11 Abraham is recorded as faithful and an example to follow. Lot in 2 Peter 2:7 is recorded the same way and is called a "righteous man" or "righteous Lot."

So then my own opinion on this is the character of God, who is love according to 1 John 4:8, who says we are nothing without love in 1 Corinthians 13:2, and who makes it clear the entire purpose of God's instructions to us is to bring us to the fullness of love itself in 1 Timothy 1:5, and finalizing it with Matthew 22:37 Matthew 22:38 Matthew 22:39 Matthew 22:40 Christ tells us that the entirety of the Law (Bible) hangs on these two commandments meaning God's Law is a Law of love.

So then, to say God would send a child (an infant) who even the secular world considers precious an innocent to Hell, how is He then more merciful than humans? If horrid sinners are appalled at the atrocity of children and babies being murdered, how could we ever make sense of God putting one in Hell? For His glory? In what sense? How does an infant in Hell bring glory to God and reveal His character and person of love? His infinite kindness and forgiveness and gentleness?

Maybe you have some answer to this, but I would certainly be curious as to how such a thing could even remotely be possible to bring glory to a God who is love. For a God who is willing to put His own Son on a cross (Romans 8:32), what rational reason would a person with that kind of love and sacrifice to save us who have sinned (not just been born in sin because of someone else's choices), why would someone that unimaginably kind and merciful ever send a child to literally be punished for an eternity but save Lot?

To throw one more out there for arguments sake, we are saying here (from your stance) that Paul who murdered men by his own testimony, and king David who did the same for personal reasons, and Moses also trying to save his brothers with his own strength and be a hero murdered a man are forgiven, but a little tiny baby who can't speak a word, think a clear thought, isn't fully conscious and can't even care for themselves somehow, in the most loving Person's eyes who has or will ever exist, deserves by His judgment to go to Hell?

In my view, that is exactly why Christ died on the cross, to free those born in sin, but who do not choose to accept it but repent. If no opportunity for repentance is available and sins have not been committed by these infants, why would a Judge who states His entire being, essence, and Law is based on love ever not cleanse them with His precious blood when He can forgive anyone He wants?

Oh I think they are forgiven for being "born in sin" for sure, and cleansed, and much faster and without a second thought by Christ.

With all respect intended, I think maybe some people are confusing an idea of Christ with the real Christ Jesus who said this about children:

Matthew 19:14
But Jesus said, “Let the little children come to Me, and do not forbid them; for of such is the kingdom of heaven.”

The Liturgist said:

The Ark contained the a copy of the word, and according to John 1:1, Christ our God is The Word, so the Ark as a typological prophecy of her holds. Also I would note my denomination would never presume to try to depict the Shekinah in the manner of your image.

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Isn't that about the same as saying the Bible is the word of God and thus the Bible is typologically Christ per John 1:1?

This is from the Old Testament, but did you know that the New Testament teaches these same fundamental truths in the gospel of our salvation? And I don’t mean word for word of what this teaches, but the fundamental truths of the gospel. What determines one’s salvation, whether Old Testament or New Testament, is not only the grace of God, and genuine faith which comes from God, but how we live in conduct, whether we are living righteously in obedience to our Lord or we are living wickedly in disobedience to God. And New Testament – Jesus’ blood sacrifice to take away the sins of the world.

For we read in 1 Corinthians 10:1-22 and Hebrews 3:1-19 and Hebrews 4:1-13 that God was not pleased with the majority of those who wandered in the wilderness for 40 years. For they were those who craved evil and who were idolaters, revelers, immoral, grumblers, and those who put God to the test. So God put them to death, and they did not get to enter into the Promised Land nor into God’s eternal rest (his salvation from sin and eternal life with God). And these things happened as examples for us, that we should not crave evil things as they did. And they were written down for our instruction.

For God regards disobedience to his commands, in practice, the same as unbelief. And belief in Jesus Christ, if it is genuine biblical faith, must be accompanied by death to sin, not just once, but daily putting sin to death, by the Spirit, and walking in obedience to our Lord and his commands in our conduct, and as our practice. This is not to say that we will be perfect in everything or that we will never sin again (1 John 2:1-2), but that sin must no longer be our practice, and obedience to our Lord must now be our practice, by the grace of God, in the power of God, and by the Spirit.

So, we are blessed of God who do not walk in the counsel of the wicked, and who do not follow after the sinful desires of the flesh, but whose delight is in the teachings of Christ and of his New Testament apostles and of the Scriptures, as a whole. And if we delight in our Lord and in the teachings of the Scriptures, and in his commandments to us who believe in Jesus Christ, then we will be those who are walking in obedience to our Lord and to his commands in holy living, by the grace of God, and in the power of God. And we will be those who are no longer making sin our practice.

And if we are indeed following our Lord in surrender to his will, in obedience to his commands in daily living, by the grace of God, then we should also be those who are bearing much spiritual fruit in keeping with repentance and with walks of obedience to our Lord’s commands. There should be physical evidence, by how we live, that we are in genuine relationship with Jesus Christ, and he is truly Lord (Owner-Master) of our lives. For we should be working for God, our lives committed to his service, doing what he says, who are also sharing the truth of the gospel with the people of this world.

But if we are living wickedly, in direct defiance to our Lord and to his commands, and if sin is still what we practice, and not obedience to God, we will not inherit eternal life with God, regardless of what our lips profess. Like the old saying goes, “The proof is in the pudding,” i.e. the test to see whether or not our faith in Jesus Christ is of God, and is genuine, is in the results (the fruit). Are we living righteously, in obedience to our Lord, in following his leading and his will and purpose for our lives? Or are we still living in sin and for self without regard for our Lord and his commands?

[Matthew 7:13-14,21-23; Luke 9:23-26; John 10:27-30; Acts 26:18; Romans 1:18-32; Romans 2:5-10; Romans 3:23; Romans 6:1-23; Romans 8:1-14; 1 Corinthians 10:1-22; Galatians 5:16-24; Ephesians 2:8-10; Ephesians 4:17-32; Ephesians 5:3-6; Titus 2:11-14; Hebrews 3:1-19; Hebrews 4:1-13; Hebrews 10:19-39; Hebrews 12:1-2; 1 Peter 2:24; 1 John 1:1-10; 1 John 2:3-6; 1 John 3:4-10; Revelation 2:1-29; Revelation 3:1-22]

As the Deer

By Martin J. Nystrom
Based off Psalm 42:1

As the deer panteth for the water
So my soul longeth after You
You alone are my heart's desire
And I long to worship You

You alone are my strength, my shield
To You alone may my spirit yield
You alone are my heart's desire
And I long to worship You

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The Way of The Righteous
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Christ’s Free Servant, Sue J Love

Zceptre said:

Yes, it is the great falling away and the end times and I would definitely say this is the case, but it hasn't ever technically "not" been the case. They killed Stephen, they killed Paul, they killed Peter, they killed the prophets. Blessed are we when we are persecuted for righteousness sake (Matthew 5:10 - Matthew 5:11 - Matthew 5:12).

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Yes thats true. I think the early church was birthed into persecution then rose to become the official church of the west and east. Maybe thats where it started to go wrong. But still the church and God reined mostly over society up until the revolutions of the mid 20th century.

There were times when people fell away and there were revivals. Maybe this is another falling away and a revival. This seems to be the cycle. But then as the world has become smaller it seems we are having a great falling away globally and not just locally. Thus a great revival should be coming. Whether that is the end times of just another revival I don't know.

But then this would make the conflict even greater as then you will have a great Christian revival and a greater evil as a result in defying Christ at war. It seems to increase in intensity not decrease as history repeats itself.

Modern yellow submarines operate noiselessly.

RLMTL

Stopped_lurking said:

Already commented on it, it is a simulation study, it is also mentioned in the post you quoted.. Nothing have been measured or verified experimentally. Stop just posting links without reading them.

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The hypothesis was that the pyramids structure and chambers can concentrate electromagnic energy. The test confirms this.

In fact the researchers claim that the results from the tests are good enough to actually create new technology. So it appears the findings are real and have real life applications using similar material with electromagnetic properties and obtain pyramidal nonoparticles.

Now, the scientists plan to use the results to reproduce similar effects at the nanoscale. "Choosing a material with suitable electromagnetic properties, we can obtain pyramidal nanoparticles with a promise for practical application in nanosensors and effective solar cells,"
https://phys.org/news/2018-07-reveals-great-pyramid-giza-focus.html

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This is the actual paper, there is no connection to ancient technology and lost knowledge. Don't post links that are not related. It is tantamount to lying.
Phase transformation in lead titanate based relaxor ferroelectrics with ultra-high strain - Nature Communications

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Actually it was a different one. I had a list and must have linked the wrong one. Its one of these I think. I can't remember lol. But they are all more or less the same and using the same piezoelectric effect in the structure and material of the pyramids.

Piezoelectric Phenomena in the King's Chamber: A New Hypothesis for the Shroud of Turin's Image Formation.

Progressive Weakening of Granite by Piezoelectric Excitation of Quartz with Alternating Current - Rock Mechanics and Rock Engineering

https://www.isis.stfc.ac.uk/Pages/SH25_Piezoelectrics.aspx

Piezoelectric Phenomena in the King’s Chamber: A New Hypothesis for th

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Investigating the potential of using human movements in energy harvesting by installing piezoelectric tiles in Egyptian public facilities
No connection to ancient Egypt at all!

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Like I said I had a few references on the piezoelectric effects of the pyramids and must of put the wrong ones. It was probably one of the above papers.

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Also mentioned in the post you quoted, from the abstract "A comparison was made of the solid-state 29Si, 27Al and 43Ca MAS NMR spectra of the outer casing stone from Snefru's Bent Pyramid in Dahshour, Egypt, with two quarry limestones from the area. The NMR results suggest that the casing stones consist of limestone grains from the Tura quarry, cemented with an amorphous calcium-silicate gel formed by human intervention, by the addition of extra silica, possibly diatomaceous earth, from the Fayium area."

What is the ancient technology or lost knowledge in this case? A quick googling seems that the egyptians had access to early forms of cement.

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Yes so I was right that the base blocks on the pyramid were molded. I had people on your side claiming I was creating conspiracies for suggesting such ideas and there was no evidence. That you for confirming I was right all along.

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I time out on this one, can you take a picture of the abstract and post it?

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Yeah so did I. Not sure what happened there.

Try this one

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Ah, that one where gravity is NOT abolished and where hydrolift and acoustic lifting is NOT shown to have been used by the egyptian (it is all speculation).

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I find this ironic. My arguement was that people are dismissing peer review without peer review. By just making a claim with their own words and opinion as though it has the same weight as peer review. Where is the arguement and evidence that supports this dismissal.

Because as far as I know there is no evidence full stop as to how the pryamids were built. There is no evidence for how they lifted and transported massive blocks. The studies done in supporting alternative ways of lifting stones are just as valid a hypothesis as building ramps or any other proposed method.

So its not just all spectulation but properly theorised alternative methods accordig to research and evidence. If these alternative ideas are spectualtion then everything is spectualtion including the orthodox methods which have no evidence.

Egyptian pyramid may have been built using a water-powered elevator

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This is something that is testable and will by time become clear, the author themselves don't want to the exclude possibility that the microconstituents are the results of some natural process. I also seems to conflict with the article above that seems to say that the casing stones comes from the Tura quarry.

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Yes the limestone used in the moulded blocks comes from the Tura quarry. But its been crushed or broken down and reconstituted with some polymer or something like cement. Except it seems to dry naturally like its stone.

Similar results have been found in Peru ancient works.

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Why are these articles arguments for ancient technology and/or lost knowledge? Can you form them yourself, using these articles for support?

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To me this is show the ancients were manipulating nature. Using natures own chemicals, elements and energy to make changes in nature. Because they were immersed in nature they were able to see how it works from the inside.

The aricles are gradually collecting data showing how just about everything the ancients did and especially the Egyptians had some function. The architure, geographic location and placement of specific shafts, chambers and individual blocks and stone types were no accident. They all had a purpose associated with the data being collected.

Thats why I say don't be too quick to dismiss these findings as the research is ongoing and it seems the more data we get the more its supporting advanced knowledge.

Robin hood socialism doesn't work, because giving the government more power to steal from certain rich corporations but not others is not going to end well.

rather, what would work is to change back to a hard money standard, to reverse all of these problems:

AV1611VET said:

This video explains it, starting at 02:00 :

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To summarize it, life must have the following qualities:

1. Similar to others of its kind but not an exact duplicate. 5
2. Able to repair and duplicate itself. n/a
3. Able to adjust to changing environmental conditions. 5
4. An urge or drive toward self-fulfillment. 7

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He's heading is the right direction, but only got two out of the 8. Here's a recognised list of the characteristics:

1) Reproduction
2) Metabolism
3) Response to stimuli
4) Heredity
5) Adaptation through evolution
6) Homeostasis
7) Growth and development
8) Cellular organization

The question to ask now is how many of that 8 do you need before you can be classed as alive? All of them?

Fervent said:

What is the context that is supposed to change "who wants everyone to be saved and return to knowledge of the truth" into something other than desiring all to be saved?

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The larger context is the whole of scripture, in which we find that he made each for his purposes, which include those who he made, knowing they would end up in Hell. The nearer context is the whole of 1 Timothy and all of Paul's writings which focus much on the un-Jewish notion of God saving whomsoever he will, and the close context is the chapter 2 preceding and following verses in which Paul calls for prayer for all people, including even rulers and authorities (that the Jews wanted off their necks) in which he mentions himself being the apostle to the Gentiles. The focus of the context is exactly that Jesus is come for all people —not just the Jews.

Fervent said:

You presume that God cannot make free will possible, you think too little of God in your assessment.

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No. I presume that God has no interest in doing whatever silly self-contradictory conjurations humans come up with as though their thoughts represented a possible reality. I don't say that God can't make a rock too big for him to pick up. I say that it is a bogus notion.

Fervent said:

It's not confirmation bias, it's reality. Nor is it "circular' since its not 2 propositions dependent on one another, simply a fact that the determinist must exercise free will to make a denial of it.

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No, he only exercises choice.

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you don't seem to know what that word means.

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Which is why I asked you what YOU meant by it. But now, I see my guess was right. You think humans choose uncaused, even when you contradict it by claiming God gave us [libertarian] free will.

RileyG said:

He hasn’t been active on here for several years.

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Thanks. I was hoping he had come back here.

The 4 Visions of the Lord in Revelation.



The predominant aim of Revelation is the setting forth the splendours of the Son of Man, & to reveal His glorious person. There are four visions of the Son of Man as He is known in the heavenly realm & each vision in turn carries through to completion one aspect of the fourfold ministry of Christ which He exercised when on earth. His Kinship was expressed in Matthew, His Heirship in Mark, His Mediatorship in Luke, & His Judgeship in John.


Vision 1. CHRIST - Head of the Body. (Rev. 1 – 3)

This reveals the empowered Son of Man as the Sovereign Administrator.

`in His right hand He held 7 stars.`



Vision 2. CHRIST - HEIR. (Rev. 4 – 7)

This reveals the enthroned Son of Man as the Supreme Executor.

`in His right hand He held the 7 sealed book.`



Vision 3. CHRIST - MEDIATOR. (Rev. 8 – 13)

This reveals the exalted Son of Man as the Stately Mediator.

`in His hand is a sacred censor.`



Vision 4. CHRIST - JUDGE. (Rev. 14 – 22)

This reveals the entitled Son of Man as the Sublime Adjudicator.

`in His hand is a sharp sickle.`



To reveal Christ to us in Revelation, there are over three hundred & thirty references to the figures, shadows, symbols, types, patterns, persons, & buildings of the Old Testament.

This unveiling is the culmination of all the truths expressed from Genesis to Revelation, for all scripture is centred on one purpose and that is to reveal Christ to us in all His Glory.

perplexed said:

Why didn't the Biden administration embarrass Steve Bannon by leaking his connection to Epstein? He is a Trump ally.

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Gee, I dunno. Maybe President Biden had better things to do?

-- A2SG, there was a few other things on his plate, as I recall....

bob121 said:

Thanks, Servus—honestly I’m still learning the lay-out here.
I’ll take the cue: next time I’ll drop testimonial-style threads in Christians-Only so the encouragers aren’t forced to wade through the inevitable mud.

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Yes, there’s a reason why we have the Christians’ Only subforums.

But the content you placed in the OP as what trolls would do

bob121 said:

you ask for testimonies of grace and within five posts someone’s waving Psalm 137:9 or Hitler to prove a point.

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seemed like it would be more commonplace on Facebook or Twitter than here. Psalm 137:9 and Hitler would be off-topic, since you asked for testimonies of grace, and people who post off-topic posts like that repeatedly just get banned. (Calling political leaders Hitler is explicitly banned in the political sections too.)

By the way, a testimonies of grace thread would belong in the Deeper Fellowship area here, in case you were wondering about that.

In broader social media, debate or report does still apply, but after awhile you have to ask yourself whether it’s worth your time to do the debate. The problem with doing nothing is that the slanderers will drown you out if you don’t post at least one counter argument, they will come to define your message for you. You cannot let yourself be defined by your harshest critics. Still, dealing with abusers/slanderers is exhausting work, even when you have the positional and spiritual authority to manage them. I would never oblige someone to debate themselves into exhaustion over some triviality.

The way I manage my energy is just to stay off social media (aside from YouTube) and put my time into forums where I either rely on other moderators or I have mod tools to deal with rule violators myself and I don’t end up having to fight reputation battles all the time. Authority actually saves a lot of energy in comparison to expensive emotional reactions of fear and anger. But that may not be for everyone.

Instead, I would advise to pick your platforms and your battles, and learn their best practices one at a time. You do Facebook? Learn the best practices there. Twitter? Same. YouTube? Ok. TikTok? Whatever. Forum like this one? Not too hard.

Batfink

mark46 said:

If Trump could kill his most troublesome critics without serious consequence, I don't think that he would hesitate.

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And he probably wouldn't lose any voters.

-- A2SG, forgiveness is fundamental to MAGA...only for Trump, though....

FaithT said:

Same here.

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Especially after the updated translation in 2011.

FAITH-IN-HIM said:

Consider the potential outcomes had the minority group opposing both legal and illegal immigration to America been successful at the time of your arrival. How might this have affected you or your family?

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Irrelevant. The discussion is about what immigration policy is appropriate today.