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Servus · 2025-12-03T09:07:46-0600

essentialsaltes said:
Right, so maybe Pete Hegseth is not the most reliable source of information.

I forget, did that Reuters article confirm that Hegseth said "kill everyone"?

essentialsaltes said:
The main matter is that their killings were unlawful (or certainly appear so). However, they are presumed innocent. We have a process for establishing guilt; it was not followed.

Poppycock. It's just more anti-trump theater in a long line of productions. Once it plays out, another show will open.

Michie · 2025-12-03T09:06:47-0600

Which comes first in salvation order: Faith or regeneration?

Here s how getting the order of salvation wrong leads to a corruption of biblical truth and a serious defilement of the Gospel

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durangodawood · 2025-12-03T09:03:19-0600

ThatRobGuy said:
Is a little bit of that possibly their own fault for not reigning in their more radical portions of the student body just a little bit?

There have been a couple different high profile incidents involving protesting (some of which escalated past normal protesting) in order to get certain speakers cancelled and disinvited from booked events.

https://www.cnn.com/2014/10/30/living/bill-maher-commencement-speaker/index.html

Milo Yiannopoulos event canceled after violence erupts - Berkeley News

Safety concerns stop performance by Milo Yiannopoulos, guest of Berkeley College Republicans

news.berkeley.edu

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/grade-point/wp/2017/04/26/ann-coulter-speech-canceled-at-uc-berkeley-amid-fears-for-safety/

Ben Shapiro spoke at Berkeley as protesters gathered outside

As conservative radio host Ben Shapiro spoke at the University of California Berkeley, protesters swarmed outside chanting various slogans.

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If Berkeley doesn't want to be "unfairly labelled" as the "woke school"...

Perhaps things like "Disinviting Bill Maher, because he said something mean about Islam on HBO", and "riots with a $100k worth of damage and banned weapons being brought on campus by protestors because Milo was invited to speak", and "phoning in bomb threats to prevent Ann Coulter from speaking", and "Ben Shapiro needing to be protected by 300 cops just to get him to the venue because protestors were trying to block it" is the sort of thing they'd want to curtail a bit.

When you boil that down, it's basically like saying:

"We're not woke, we just have a large subset of people who throw temper tantrums, light stuff on fire, and phone in bomb threats when the college republican group on our campus invites people to speak who we feel triggered by"

And that "bad look" is made even worse when, for a few of those, faculty actually participated in the protesting outside the venues.

The professors should've been the first ones volunteering to go up to mic to take on Shapiro head-on during the hour long "open mic" portion of his events, not screeching out in the parking lot with some of the students.

PR is 90% of the game with regards to perception.

Berkeley objecting to being labelled as "a woke school" is sorta like the Buffalo hat guy from J6 objecting to be labelled as "a wacky conspiracy theorist".

Yes, theres an anti-liberal minority who will shut down various "objectionable" speakers. This is a problem.

But this does not interfere with anyone getting an absolutely top tier education in all of those "non-fluff" majors we're so keen on these days. So its an ironic choice from Desantis.

Michie · 2025-12-03T09:02:25-0600

An overwhelming majority of college students believe that “words can be violence,” according to a new poll that found undergraduates are more reluctant to express their views on campus following the assassination of conservative activist Charlie Kirk.

The Foundation for Individual Rights and Expression released a new reportTuesday examining students’ views on free speech following the assassinationof the TPUSA founder during a speech at Utah Valley University in September. The survey was conducted from Oct. 3-31, sampling 2,028 undergraduates nationwide and 204 students at Utah Valley University.

The survey asked students whether they felt more or less comfortable engaging in a variety of activities following Kirk’s Sept. 10 assassination. A majority of Utah Valley University students felt a “great deal” or “slightly” less comfortable expressing their views on “a controversial political topic during an in class discussion” (68%), expressing their views on “a controversial political topic to other students during a discussion in a campus common space” (64%), and expressing controversial political opinions to classmates on social media (65%).

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Over 90% of college students think 'words can be violence' after Kirk assassination: poll

An overwhelming majority of college students believe that words can be violence, according to a new poll that found undergraduates are more reluctant to express their views on campus following the

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ThatRobGuy · 2025-12-03T09:01:59-0600

Richard T said:
Trump also has proposals to switch some data to be reported every 3 months. If the economy is a patient that at times might need treatment, timely and as accurate data as possible is helpful, not a hindrance.

I can see merit to both approaches (more rapid data, and quarterly reporting)

There's pros and cons to both.

The con to reporting only every 3 months would be, as you referenced, if something is REALLY wrong, it won't be fixed and course corrected as soon as it should be.

The con to reporting at too aggressive of a cadence, is that (and anyone who's ever worked in an office environment can attest to this) executive types often have propensity for rushing to hit the panic button and coming up with all kinds of wild ideas at the faintest whiff of a metric dip, in ways that don't allow new approaches to ever come to fruition as it takes time to make some tweaks and do refining.

While I don't work in finance, I've seen quite a bit of that in the IT world.

When getting clients/companies off of "legacy systems" and on to more modern, more well-supported systems, you'd be surprised at how many rush for the panic button.

"According to our hourly flash reporting, our contact engagement is down 3% compared to yesterday, and our engagement time per contact is 56 seconds higher than was, !high importance!"

- Us: Well, like we explained, there's obviously going to be a brief learning curve as your employees get familiarized with the new app suite

"This seems problematic, how quickly can we roll back to our old software??? (with more people cc'd on the email)"

...which then proceeds to the "time to talk them off the ledge" portion of the correspondence.

Whereas, if they just waited about 3-4 weeks to do a results comparison, they see noticeable improvements... but executive types tend to want to race back into the security blanket that is "the comfort zone, the way we did things before".

We've literally had COOs of other companies demand to be reverted back to old clunky VB6 and CLI based systems because Day 1 results were down by a trivial amount while they're employees were getting familiarized by it.

I would imagine the finance world would have some of that reactionary thinking in it as well, where if an administration wanted to try something different, if there's the slightest little hiccup week 1, they'll immediately want rush back into the welcoming arms of the status quo rather than allow time for adjustments to be made.

SabbathBlessings · 2025-12-03T08:57:17-0600

samaus123456789 said:
Chat GPT would not format the end part of this because it said it is untrue lol.
So here it is in my writing

Revelation 13:18 18 Here is wisdom. Let him who has understanding calculate the number of the beast, for it is the number of a man: His number is 666.

1 Kings 4:29-5:12 29 And God gave Solomon wisdom and exceedingly great understanding, and largeness of heart like the sand on the seashore. 30 Thus Solomon’s wisdom excelled the wisdom of all the men of the East and all the wisdom of Egypt. 31 For he was wiser than all men—than Ethan the Ezrahite, and Heman, Chalcol, and Darda, the sons of Mahol; and his fame was in all the surrounding nations. 32 He spoke three thousand proverbs, and his songs were one thousand and five. 33 Also he spoke of trees, from the cedar tree of Lebanon even to the hyssop that springs out of the wall; he spoke also of animals, of birds, of creeping things, and of fish. 34 And men of all nations, from all the kings of the earth who had heard of his wisdom, came to hear the wisdom of Solomon.

1 Kings 10:14 Now the weight of gold that came to Solomon in one year was six hundred threescore and six talents of gold,

2 Chronicles 9:13 The weight of the gold that Solomon received yearly was 666 talents

1 Kings 10:20 Twelve lions stood on the six steps, one at either end of each step. Nothing like it had ever been made for any other kingdom. 12 lions total. 6 lions on one side, 6 steps in the middle, 6 lions on the other side.
The author of Revelation is saying the first beast in Revelation 13 will be like king Solomon. Solomon ruled in Palestine/Israel from physical Jerusalem in the 900s BC. There are prophecies to David in the old testament that he would have a son, build a house in Gods name, and rule forever. David's son Solomon built the first house of God / temple, but he didn't rule forever. This was fully realised in Jesus who built the new covenant church the house of God the temple, and rules forever in the new Jerusalem. Revelation 22 16 “I, Jesus, have sent my angel to give you[a] this testimony for the churches. I am the Root and the Offspring of David, and the bright Morning Star.” Here Jesus combines that prophecy to David along with "A star will come from Jacob" from Numbers 24:17", and says it was about him. Also he is saying he existed before David "before Abraham was I am', "in the beginning was the word" etc. Jesus said "behold one greater than Solomon is here" about himself. He was saying Solomon was the greatest king in the old testament but I am a greater king. Also Isaiah 11:1), which states that a shoot will come up from the stump of Jesse, and a Branch will bear fruit from his roots.

The Jewish Utopia Michael Higger The aim of this work is to present, in a comprehensive way, the traditional Jewish conception of the ideal life for individuals, as well as for nations. The problems taken up in the book are discussed, not from a theological viewpoint, but rather from that of the prophecies of the prophets as interpreted by the rabbis. The doctrines concerning God, Torah, Israel, Messiah, the future world and so forth, are, therefore, referred to, only where they are directly related to the subject of an ideal life in the ideal era to come. For my main problem is to reconstruct an ideal social life on earth as pictured by the rabbis of old. To understand the rabbinic conception of an ideal world it will help us if we imagine a hand passing from land to land, from country to country, from the Persian Gulf to the Atlantic Ocean, and from the Indian Ocean to the North Pole, marking “ righteous ” or “ wicked ” on the forehead of each one of the sixteen hundred million inhabitants of our earthly globe. We should then be on the right road toward, solving the major problems that burden so heavily the shoulders of suffering humanity. For mankind should be divided into two, and only two, distinct and unmistakable groups, namely, righteous and wicked. To the righteous would belong all that which God’s wonderful world is offering ; to the wicked would belong nothing. In the future, the words of Isaiah, in the language of the rabbis, will be fulfilled: Behold, My servants shall eat, but ye shall be hungry ; behold, My servants shall drink, but ye shall be thirsty ; behold, My servants shall rejoice, but ye shall be ashamed.** This is the force of the prophecy of Malachi, when he said: Then shall ye again discern between the righteous and the wicked, between him that serveth God and him that serveth him not. Rev 13 16 It also forced all people, great and small, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on their right hands or on their foreheads, 17 so that they could not buy or sell unless they had the mark, which is the name of the beast or the number of its name. Maimonides laws of kings and their wars. 5 It has already been explained that Noachides are always executed by decapitation except in cases when one engages in relations with the wife of a Jew or a consecrated maiden. In the latter instance, he is stoned to death. A Noachide who transgresses these seven commands shall be executed by decapitation.

A Noachide is executed on the basis of the testimony of one witness and the verdict of a single judge. No warning is required. Relatives may serve as witnesses. However, a woman may not serve as a witness or a judge for them. Revelation 13 15 The second beast was given power to give breath to the image of the first beast, so that the image could speak and cause all who refused to worship the image to be killed. Rev 20 4 And I saw the souls of them that had been beheaded for the witness of Jesus and for the Word of God, and who had not worshiped the beast, nor his image, nor had received his mark upon their foreheads or on their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years. Login to view embedded media from 5:35 on in that video the synagogue of satan explain what has to happen to Christians when they have a bet din aka when their messiah comes, and they have a central ruling sanhedrin, and enough power over the nations, and legal system to do what they want. Noahide is a concept from the leaven of the pharisees/oral torah/ traditions of the elders/ talmud etc not the bible. It means someone that denies Jesus, and all other religions, and submits to them

The mark of the beast is over worship. Worship is over who we obey or serve. Rom6:16

Jesus defined false worship as laying aside the commandments of God quoting from the Ten Commandments and honoring the traditions of man over the commandments of God. Mark 7:7-13 Mat15:3-14. The mark of the beast has not been implemented yet because the government has not made into law something that would be contrary to the Law of of God although they honor another law, its not enforced yet.....but if we keep up with the sign of the times its close.

The mark of the beast is clearly over the battle of worship. Do we follow what the beast (kingdom/government) tells us to obey over what God does. That's what it comes down to.

Rev 13:1 Then [a]I stood on the sand of the sea. And I saw a beast rising up out of the sea, having [b]seven heads and ten horns, and on his horns ten crowns, and on his heads a blasphemous name. 2 Now the beast which I saw was like a leopard, his feet were like the feet of a bear, and his mouth like the mouth of a lion. The dragon gave him his power, his throne, and great authority. 3 And I saw one of his heads as if it had been mortally wounded, and his deadly wound was healed. And all the world marveled and followed the beast. 4 So they worshiped the dragon who gave authority to the beast; and they worshiped the beast, saying, “Who is like the beast? Who is able to make war with him?”

5 And he was given a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies, and he was given authority to [c]continue for forty-two months. 6 Then he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme His name, His tabernacle, and those who dwell in heaven. 7 It was granted to him to make war with the saints and to overcome them. And authority was given him over every [d]tribe, tongue, and nation. 8 All who dwell on the earth will worship him, whose names have not been written in the Book of Life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

9 If anyone has an ear, let him hear. 10 He who leads into captivity shall go into captivity; he who kills with the sword must be killed with the sword. Here is the [e]patience and the faith of the saints.

11 Then I saw another beast coming up out of the earth, and he had two horns like a lamb and spoke like a dragon. 12 And he exercises all the authority of the first beast in his presence, and causes the earth and those who dwell in it to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed. 13 He performs great signs, so that he even makes fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men. 14 And he deceives [f]those who dwell on the earth by those signs which he was granted to do in the sight of the beast, telling those who dwell on the earth to make an image to the beast who was wounded by the sword and lived. 15 He was granted power to give breath to the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak and cause as many as would not worship the image of the beast to be killed. 16 He causes all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on their right hand or on their foreheads, 17 and that no one may buy or sell except one who has [g]the mark or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.

Rev 14:1
14 Then I looked, and behold, [a]a Lamb standing on Mount Zion, and with Him one hundred and forty-four thousand, [b]having His Father’s name written on their foreheads. 2 And I heard a voice from heaven, like the voice of many waters, and like the voice of loud thunder. And I heard the sound of harpists playing their harps. 3 They sang as it were a new song before the throne, before the four living creatures, and the elders; and no one could learn that song except the hundred and forty-four thousand who were redeemed from the earth. 4 These are the ones who were not defiled with women, for they are virgins. These are the ones who follow the Lamb wherever He goes. These were [c]redeemed from among men, being firstfruits to God and to the Lamb. 5 And in their mouth was found no [d]deceit, for they are without fault [e]before the throne of God.
6 Then I saw another angel flying in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach to those who dwell on the earth—to every nation, tribe, tongue, and people— 7 saying with a loud voice, “Fear God and give glory to Him, for the hour of His judgment has come; and worship Him who made heaven and earth, the sea and springs of water.” (quoting Exo20:11)

8 And another angel followed, saying, “Babylon[f] is fallen, is fallen, that great city, because she has made all nations drink of the wine of the wrath of her fornication.”

9 Then a third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, “If anyone worships the beast and his image, and receives his mark on his forehead or on his hand, 10 he himself shall also drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out full strength into the cup of His indignation. He shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels and in the presence of the Lamb. 11 And the smoke of their torment ascends forever and ever; and they have no rest day or night, who worship the beast and his image, and whoever receives the mark of his name.”

This is the only antidote for not receiving the mark of the beast and that is to stay faith to God to what He commandment, His version, not what the beast was predicted to change- God's times and laws which is the 4th commandment.

Rev 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints; here[h] are those who keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus.

If you like I have a great Bible study on Dan/Rev that is way better than AI. Nothing replaces prayerful Bible study.

Michie · 2025-12-03T08:54:04-0600

Heading that way now. Thank you all so much for the prayers. I’m struggling with anxiety.

Michie · 2025-12-03T08:52:24-0600

Matt Van Epps has defeated Democrat Aftyn Behn in a nationally watched Tennessee election that helped Republicans keep their majority in the United States House of Representatives.

Van Epps — a West Point graduate who served as a Lt. Col. in the Tennessee Army National Guard before being appointed as commissioner of the Tennessee Department of General Services and serving in the governor's office — won the special election for Tennessee’s 7th Congressional District on Tuesday, earning 53.9% of the vote compared to Behn’s 45%. Other candidates got less than 1% each, CNN reported.

Though Van Epps was successful, many Republicans expressed concern over the result, as President Donald Trump had carried the district by 22 points in the 2024 election.

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Matt Van Epps defeats Aftyn Behn in heavily watched Tennessee special election

Matt Van Epps has defeated Democrat Aftyn Behn in a nationally watched Tennessee election that helped Republicans keep their majority in the United States House of Representatives

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essentialsaltes · 2025-12-03T08:52:19-0600

Private employers shed 32,000 jobs in November (ADP data)

Job creation has been flat during the second half of 2025 and pay growth has been on a downward trend. November hiring was particularly weak in manufacturing, professional and business services, information, and construction.

MarcusGregor · 2025-12-03T08:44:39-0600

Always in His Presence said:
Completely relevant - it is what started this whole fluff and stuff - if one part is made up - how do you know what else is made up? There are no military experts here - no one here has been in the room when all this was happening, and the left and their propaganda media will not, for any reason at any time, believe anything that comers from the administration.

So they will bloviate for as long as it get's people riled up.

again.

Well, yeah. We're all going off of reporting and information released to the public. What else would be expected on a public forum? What else should we talk about in this thread about this incident?

But it remains that the incident apparently did happen and there will (should) be accountability.

Studyman · 2025-12-03T08:42:42-0600

Bob S said:
How could an Israelite be saved by the Old Covenant Law? The Old Covenant was never about salvation. All the Law could do was point out sin. Only Jesus saves.

This is true. The Law defines sin. Where there is no Law, there is no sin. There can't be sin, because as you said, the LAW points out sin.

Bob S said:
How are Jews who have not accepted Jesus any different than the rest of humanity? Gal3:
19 Why, then, was the law given at all? (to Israel) It was added because of transgressions until the Seed to whom the promise referred had come. The law was given through angels and entrusted to a mediator. 20 A mediator, however, implies more than one party; but God is one.

So Bob, as you have pointed out, there is no transgression of God's Law, without God's Law. We know Adam sinned, therefore there was law. Cain was warned about Sin, therefore there was LAW.

Gen. 4: 7 If thou doest well, shalt thou not be accepted? and if thou doest not well, sin lieth at the door. And unto thee shall be his desire, and thou shalt rule over him. Gen. 18: 20 And the LORD said, Because the cry of Sodom and Gomorrah is great, and because their sin is very grievous;

And we know Abraham obeyed God's Laws, Commandments and Statutes.

Gen. 26: 4 And I will make thy seed to multiply as the stars of heaven, and will give unto thy seed all these countries; and in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed; 5 Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws.

So what Law is Paul speaking to here?

17 And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect.

What Law was "ADDED" 430 years after Abraham, that the Pharisees were still promoting? This "LAW" was ADDED "Because of Transgressions (SIN)"? Transgressions of what? That would be transgressions of the Commandments, Statutes and Laws of God, Yes? If not, then what?

You and I have been taught lies about this chapter, by this world's religious system since we were kids. And our parents, and their parents, taught the same lie, just as the Jews in Jesus Time had been told lies about God for centuries.

I would have you consider that the "LAW" given "Because of Sin", is not God's definition of sin. That makes no sense and in frankly absurd. All men have sinned, are are in need of atonement. In the Bible, this atonement was achieved through a "Priesthood". In Moses Time, God made a Priesthood Covenant with Levi, to provide for the remission of sins. It was called the "Levitical Priesthood" which was after "The Order of Aaron" of the Tribe of Levi. Obviously this LAW wasn't in effect or given in Abraham's Time because Levi was not even born until centuries after Abraham was dead. This Priesthood Law/Covenant was only Temporary, according to the Law and Prophets, because there was a Prophesied Priest, "After the Order of Melchizedek", that was to come "After those days". And just like the Priesthood "After the Order of Aaron", this NEW Priesthood was also ADDED "Because of Transgressions", which is the purpose of the Priesthood LAW in the first place. Paul said the LAW he is speaking to, was ADDED " till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; Gen. 26: 4 "and in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed;"

I believe this "SEED" is the Jesus "of the Bible.

But the mainstream preachers of the world in that time, the Pharisees, didn't believe Jesus was that SEED. This is undeniable Biblical Fact. They were still promoting the Old Priesthood LAW for the remission of sins. A LAW Abraham wasn't under. Paul is explaining that the LAW they were promoting, was Prophesied to end at the arrival of the Prophesied Priest "After the Order of Melchizedek", "Till the SEED should come".

And this Priesthood was a school master that was to LEAD those men to Christ, as it did for Zacharias, David, Simeon, Anna, Shadrack, Daniel, even Abraham saw the Day of the Prophesied Messiah. But the Pharisees and their fathers, according to the Holy Scriptures, corrupted the Priesthood and therefore were not led to Christ, as it is written.

Mal. 2: 7 For the priest's lips should keep knowledge, and they should seek the law at his mouth: for he is the messenger of the LORD of hosts.

8 But ye are departed out of the way; ye have caused many to stumble at the law; ye have corrupted the covenant of Levi, saith the LORD of hosts. 9 Therefore have I also made you contemptible and base before all the people, according as ye "have not" kept my ways, but have been partial in the law.

In the past you have just blown off these Holy Words of the God inspired Holy Scriptures. I'm hoping maybe this time, you or others reading along, can see the truth of Gal. 3, and the LAW that was ADDED that the Pharisees were still promoting to the Galatians, even though the Promised Seed had come.

PloverWing · 2025-12-03T08:41:10-0600

Hans Blaster said:
Never posted on Reddit. I'm an ex-Usenet poster.

Hey, me too, on both counts. I wonder if we ever met under our real names there... :wave:

Michie · 2025-12-03T08:34:58-0600

Welcome.

CoreyD · 2025-12-03T08:31:56-0600

JohnClay said:
Actually there is a hidden version of the game that is more explicit. It quotes Ezekiel 23 including verse 20 which I think could be considered pornographic (if the language is more literal like the NIRV rather than using euphemisms in the translation). It is $1 which limits it to people with access to payment systems and you need certain options enabled.

Well the title is "Brutal Bible Bloodbaths" and the capsule shows a woman being sliced open vertically. If it didn't deliver blood and gore they might feel disappointed. Though on the other hand there is the option to turn off the blood and gore where they have a Y or N choice at the warning screen.
Also I got a negative review from a Christian about the lack of suffering. I don't want to get any more of those negative reviews. I wanted to point out that you aren't the target market.

Well I wanted to have a different approach to regular games about the Bible. I think the passages are shocking so the gameplay reflects that - in a cartoonish way (a bit like South Park). If the graphics were photorealistic it would be more shocking.

You know the audience you are targeting, and it's not for Christians - those that follow Christ, that is, and love the Lord. Psalm 11:5 expresses that, as well as Psalm 97:10 and Romans 12:9.

Factotum · 2025-12-03T08:27:12-0600

notforgotten said:
I think I heard the angels sing upon your arrival. Welcome!

"I was weary.
Then I saw you, and I was pleased." --Benson Brown

MarcusGregor · 2025-12-03T08:22:06-0600

Sounds like socialism...

This is actually something I could get behind, but I'm super duper skeptical of the motivations and possible grifting going on behind the scenes. Like why would Dell contribute 6.5 Billion dollars to this besides an obvious tax shelter? Also, what funds will the money be invested in? It mentions EFTs too. Like what EFTs? Trump Coin perhaps?

Hentenza · 2025-12-03T08:20:24-0600

JulieB67 said:
The Greek word is ἐντολή entole -injunction- e.e. an authoritative prescription -commandment, precept.

I'm using the KJV and the link you posted with has commandments in it as well.

στολή stolḗ, stol-ay'; from G4724; equipment, i.e. (specially), a "stole" or long-fitting gown (as a mark of dignity):—long clothing (garment), (long) robe.

KJV Translation Count — Total: 9x
The KJV translates Strong's G4749 in the following manner: robe (5x), long clothing (1x), long garment (1x), them (with G848) (1x), long robe (1x).

Most updated translations use stole which translates as robes or garments. One of the reasons why I dont use the KJV.

JulieB67 said:
But you have but a few verses that you believe supports you. Are you supposed to thrown out the rest of the Bible then? I try not to that and try and seek reason within it to come to the right conclusion.

The Bible interprets itself. There is no tension if you interpret it correctly. In your doctrine there is plenty of tension added that should not be there. I not only have a “few” verses as you call it but also linguistic and ECF evidence.

For instance, your doctrine rests on a bad interpretation of “destroy” which you guys interpret as utterly destroy but that is not the case. The word used to describe how the world was destroyed (apollumi) “being flooded with water,” but the world was still there (2 Peter 3:6). Also, consider how it can be in references to people who are spiritually lost (apollumi) such as the lost sheep of Israel but were still alive (Matt. 10:6; 15:24), and the Prodigal Son who was lost (apollumi), yet still alive (Luke 15:24, 32). So, it can be used to designate the destruction of something that remains.

JulieB67 said:
So you don't believe there's no such thing as death? Again, why use that word if all have life in the end? And why does Christ specifically use the word "second' death?

There is death for the body in the first death, hence the body decomposes or is turned to ashes in an earthly, physical fire like the ones the destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah. The spirit goes back to God that created it (Ecc. 12). During the second death all are resurrected, ie given new bodies, some to eternal life but the wicked to eternal punishment.

Please cite the verse about Christ and the second death that you want to discuss. Thanks.

JulieB67 said:
Yeah, well I think of it as I stopped drinking the kool aid.

That’s all I can ask.

RDKirk · 2025-12-03T08:11:52-0600

Postvieww said:
Not everyone agrees with you. In combat when a target is hit and some are missed unless they come out with white flags mop up is usually done.

False. "White flags" are not necessary in any circumstance, and particularly not at sea. The LOAC is very specific about the sea situation.

Michie · 2025-12-03T08:10:58-0600

Hail Mary,
Full of Grace,
The Lord is with thee.
Blessed art thou among women,
and blessed is the fruit
of thy womb, Jesus.
Holy Mary,
Mother of God,
pray for us sinners now,
and at the hour of our death.
Amen

Michie · 2025-12-03T08:03:27-0600

It’s a painted depiction of Ruben’s vision of the crucifixion. …so I’m not sure what you mean about who built buildings in a painting?

johnnypapa · 2025-12-03T08:03:12-0600

As you contemplate the Nativity scene this Advent, let your prayers wander to that realm where the girl of Nazareth now reigns beside her Son. And, with hope, long to hear that Father’s voice who longs to draw you, as he did Mary. As the hymn continues: “All the host of heaven with great desire are longing to look upon you; Come, come, come, and be crowned with heavenly glory. Amen.”

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samaus123456789 · 2025-12-03T07:59:49-0600

There are 2 canons of the bible.

Luke 24:44-53 He said to them, “Remember when I was with you before? I said that everything written about me must happen—everything in the law of Moses, the books of the prophets, and the Psalms.” Then Jesus opened their minds so they could understand the Scriptures.

Law Psalms Prophets - this canon list excludes 1 Enoch, and other OT texts (Jubilees, Test of the 12 patriarchs, Tobit, 1/2 Maccabees, and others). Josephus gave the same canon list around 100 AD, and it was Genesis to Malachi organized into around 24 books. This is the primary canon.
Josephus: Historical Evidence of the Old Testament Canon

Jesus also referenced 1 Enoch, and called it scripture

Jesus talking to the Sadducees who asked about resurrection.

Mathew 22 29 Jesus replied, “You are in error because you do not know the Scriptures or the power of God. 30 At the resurrection people will neither marry nor be given in marriage; they will be like the angels in heaven.

1 Enoch 15. God talking to the angels that left heaven, came down to earth, and bred with woman.

But you originally existed as spirits, living forever,
and not dying for all the generations of eternity;
7 therefore I did not make women among you.’
The spirits of heaven, in heaven is their dwelling;

Jesus tells the people he is talking to they do not know scripture and then proceeds to cite 1 Enoch about how God did not make women for the angels in heaven so he is calling 1 Enoch "scripture", and believed it was written before the flood by Enoch 7th from Adam like it says it was.

So Jesus has 1 Enoch in his canon there, and same with Jude with the "Enoch 7th from Adam prophesied" quote. This is the secondary "hidden" canon. Apocrypha means hidden, and Jesus said

Mathew 11
25 At that time Jesus said, “I praise you, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because you have hidden these things from the wise and learned, and revealed them to little children. 26 Yes, Father, for this is what you were pleased to do.

Some Christians refer to 1 Enoch or any other text outside the primary (protestant) canon as apocrypha, and for them it means myth / pseudepigrapha . God has hidden those texts from them possibly due to

Romans 1:22
22 Professing to be wise, they became fools,

and

1 Corinthians 3:19 For the wisdom of this world is foolishness to God. As the Scriptures say, “He traps the wise in the snare of their own cleverness.”

Yes the secondary canon is hidden but hidden does not mean myth/ pseudepigrapha it just means it is for people that choose to believe the bible wherever it may lead otherwise maybe God thought it would be throwing pearl before swine to reference it in very obvious ways.

This concept of 2 canons in the NT goes back to 2 Esdras (internal date 557-457 BC consistent with 1 Ezra, and same genealogies as 1 Ezra which go back to Aaron son of Levi) where Ezra, and some others rewrite the bible because it was destroyed by the Babylonians

2 Esdras 14
44 So in forty days, ninety-four books were written. 45 It came to pass, when the forty days were fulfilled, that the Most High spoke to me, saying, “The first books that you have written, publish openly, and let the worthy and unworthy read them; 46but keep the last seventy,that you may deliver them to those who are wise among your people; 47 for in them is the spring of understanding, the fountain of wisdom, and the stream of knowledge.” 48 I did so.

The 24 was for the worthy, and unworthy aka everyone- this would of been the now protestant canon from Genesis to Ezra (Malachi, and Nehemiah may not of been written at that time as they came a bit later on in the 400s BC), and the other 70 was 1 Enoch, Jubilees, Test of the 12, Life of Adam, and Eve, Assumption of Moses, Testament of Job, Tobit, Baruch, other ones that still exist today, and some others that would be lost works today. For the NT it would be proto James, pseudo Mathew, gospel of Nicodemus, Didache, History of Joseph the carpenter, and some others. The expanded canon is only for the wise.

2, and 3 Enoch, and book of Jasher are all myths not inspired written after 70 AD (inspired scripture stopped 70 AD based on Daniel 9). 3 Enoch, and Jasher are Jewish fables (1 Titus 14), and 2 Enoch is either Jewish or Samaritan fables.

Jasher says Shem is Melchizadek like the Talmud does in an attempt to discredit Jesus from being a priest in the order of Melchizadek. 2 Enoch mentions the 532 year great cycle which was not discovered until 400s AD. 3 Enoch says It was written by 'rabbi' Ishmael which the Talmud says was 130 AD however the synagogue of satan actually believe it is pseudepigrapha written much later.

johnnypapa · 2025-12-03T07:59:30-0600

I myself do not have a single problem, and nor should any Catholic, in having interreligious dialogues and encounters if they are geared to drawing Muslims (and other non-Christians) to embracing the fullness of who God is as taught by the Catholic Church which He Himself founded (cf. Matthew 16:18-19). Yet what we have had for the last 60 years has been a political dynamic that, by its very nature, is incompatible with the Gospel teaching of Jesus Christ.

It’s Time to Reevaluate Interreligious Dialogue

I do not have a single problem in having interreligious dialogues and encounters if they are geared to drawing Muslims (and other non-Christians) to embracing the fullness of who God is as taught by the Catholic Church.

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lucypevensie · 2025-12-03T07:56:09-0600

Was it a jet boat?

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