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Are the Jews Israel, or is the church Israel? Or does it depend on the context of the passage?

That was all I was trying to establish with you here


If you agree with what I am saying here, we can move on.

You can insert your own historical context into that passage, without me.
I’m not going to agree with you then because agreeing with you would be to ignore hermeneutics.
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Hell doesn't exist as a concept in the bible and was man-made

My comment was not strange but only the logical conclusion to your argument. Perhaps you didn’t realize that. If faith is necessary for salvation then those that reject faith cannot attain salvation. This is a common teaching throughout scripture.

That's absolutely correct.

"Ye must be born again."

We can't be born again without faith, and everyone has to be born again if they are going to be adopted into the family of GOD by the blood of Jesus.
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Trump Says US Will Permanently Pause Migration From 'Third World Countries'

Agreed. They're oftern too stern, and humorless for my taste.. Not that I'm broadbrushing, but it's just an observation by a Westerner.
I reject your agreement with my joke at your expense.
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Trump terminates orders signed by Autopen during Biden administration

Here's my idea. Let's have a challenge between the current and previous president.

Both of them must take comprehensive competency tests adminstered by a licensed professional agreeable to both sides. That being completed, both must take the citizenship test immigrants take to assess their knowledge of our constitution and laws.

Whoever has the lower score (and I have no doubt who that will be) gets all his executive orders rescinded. It sure will feel safer when the 1/6 insurrectionists are back in jail instead of formenting autocracy throughout our country.
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The NEA is pushing far left teaching upon children

Yes, but they all overlap between the sexes (yes, even breast tissue and facial hair).
Not in the same way.
Without social cues like fashion, hairstyle, speech patterns, friend gruops, partner choice and mannerisms those lead people to guess wrongly quite often.
All those things are tied to sex. Of course there are variations within the sex group and not every person within the sex group is exactly the same. But none of those things alter whether or not one is a male or female.

And people.do NOT guess wrong quite often. Its very rare that someone might guess wrong.
Many of the secondary sex characteristics are also amenable to medical or surgical interventions.
That also does not determine if someone is male or female. Of we had the ability to surgically alter someone to make them look like a lizard, they still.wouldnt be a lizard. It would be an abomination. Which is what trying to surgically alter someone into something they aren't is by removing perfectly healthy body parts trying to graft on things that don't belong. It sounds like something from a horror movie of a mad scientist.
So the you can't change your sex crowd are not talking about secondary sex characteristics, I guess?
In some fashion yes, as we are talking the genetic norm. For example if a male has an accident that removes his testicles, he is still a male in toto. Or a female has to have a hysterectomy which doesn't create something besides a female. No one is trying to make her a male.
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Lotus Flower

The lotus flower grows from the mud but is not contaminated by its environment.

The lotus begins its life in muddy water at the bottom of ponds, but its stem pushes upward until the flower blooms above the surface. Despite the murky environment, its petals stay clean.

There's nothing wrong with loving the lotus flower, don't you think it is a symbol of certain holy person ??
Jesus?
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Christ in Christmas?

No Christmas without Christ. We anticipate his birth and Prepare for His Coming with Advent. We Celebrate His Birth at Christmas We Observe his Fulfillment of the Prophets at Epiphany

It is a season of Joy, of Love, Of Peace and of Celebration In all that we do, the Focus is Always on His Birth , EnJOY
Amen
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Why we are not supposed to keep the Sabbath

That would be the One True God's Commandments, God's Statues and God's Laws, Yes? There is only One God, according to the God who inspired the Holy Scriptures. He doesn't change, and as Him points out, that which may be known about this God, has been shown to them.
That did not answered my question. You cited a verse regarding Abraham following God’s commandments, statutes, and laws but can’t tell me what commandments or what statutes, or what laws. The Bible is clear that the 10 commandments along with the mosaic law was not given until 430 years later during Moses.

So I ask again, what commandments, what statutes, and what law did Abraham follow?
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US military carried out second strike killing survivors on a suspected drug boat that had already been attacked, sources say

https://edition.cnn.com/2025/11/28/politics/us-military-second-strike-caribbeanis

While I previously posted thoughts on boat killings and how the law and bible applies to them, This act of killing alleged drug smugglers after the boat was disabled is taking things another step further. It brings into question too, what lengths Trump might go to in possible ground operations.
Critical Issues on Trump Policies in South America. T

Origin of Life

I suspect it's because he dares to disagree with your beliefs.

Martha Stewart?

No problem.

She doesn't threaten your beliefs.

Kent Hovind? Ken Ham? David Mainse? John Ankerberg?

Look out!

Now there's a Who's Who of pariahs! :rolleyes:
I notice no one is telling us to trust Martha Stewart as a source on fact and morality in opposition of the vast majority mainstream science and history.
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Do you keep the Sabbath? (poll)

I do not consider it arguing because we both believe the Sabbath was instituted by God, and I do not argue profaning it. You say it is my words and not scripture but Paul says the same that I am saying in Romans 14

4- Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? To his own lord he standeth or falleth. And he shall stand: for God is able to make him stand 5 For one judgeth between day and day: and another judgeth every day: let every man abound in his own sense.
6 He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord. And he that eateth, eateth to the Lord: for he giveth thanks to God. And he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth thanks to God. 7 For none of us liveth to himself; and no man dieth to himself. 8 For whether we live, we live unto the Lord; or whether we die, we die unto the Lord. Therefore, whether we live, or whether we die, we are the Lord's. 9 For to this end Christ died and rose again; that he might be Lord both of the dead and of the living. 10 But thou, why judgest thou thy brother? or thou, why dost thou despise thy brother? For we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ.
Keeping everyday alike does not nullify the Sabbath, it amplifies it. We are to deny ourselves always and mortify the deeds of our flesh. In doing so, we never profane the Sabbath.

This Sabbath only teaching is obviously a distraction in the body of Christ
Thanks for providing Scriptures, this is a popular argument against obeying one of God's commandments, but I do not believe it was what Paul was referring to. We are told that when God blesses something, like He did with the Sabbath, only He can reverse Num23:20, so we would need a thus saith the Lord. Especially when it comes to Paul who has a warning in Scripture that people twist his writings to their own destruction, so to indicate that we should believe that Paul just undid everything God said in all of Scripture starting from Creation on the Sabbath, that Jesus said plainly, not a jot or tittle shall pass from His law, not to break or teach others to break the least of these commandments Mat5:18-19 but Paul is going to go against God and undo everything God said- God's own written Testimony that is under God's mercy seat. I see why we this was in our Bibles 2Peter3:16

Can you point to this passage where it says the Sabbath in Romans14? Can you point in this passage where what man esteems is more valuable than what God esteems in His own written and spoken Testimony. This is not an argument about if one should keep or not keep one of God's commandments its a discussion over what man esteems- like today some esteem Christmas as a religious holiday, while others do not, it was never about if we should disregard or keep a commandment of God or change what God wrote plainly. Not even your own church interprets this Scripture this way, they clearly say they changed the Sabbath not based on Scripture but their own authority over the word of God.

Scripture also says in Matthew 7

16 By their fruits you shall know them. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles? 17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit, and the evil tree bringeth forth evil fruit. 18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can an evil tree bring forth good fruit. 19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit, shall be cut down, and shall be cast into the fire. 20 Wherefore by their fruits you shall know them.



What is the fruit of Sabbath only teaching? To some it is a way to honor God.
If we want to go by what the God of the Bible said in His own words, if that counts Isa58:13
To others it is a cause of arrogance and ridicule causing some souls to view themselves superior which is against scripture which says consider all others as better than yourself

I do not say you do that, but there have been many SDA in my experience that do that and they are not rebuked. Does SDA not wish to instill humility in their adherents?

The error that SDA teaching on Romans 14 makes is that they claim others use it to justify profaning the Sabbath. It may be true for some but it does not reflect Church teaching and is therefore a misleading argument
This is all an opinion and seems like the real distraction to move away from what God commanded and try to justify why doing so, to make it seem Biblical when no Scripture supports it. Sorry you see it that way, but my view is our time on this earth is drawing to a near and God is calling us out of the false teachings Rev18:4 that have been handed down to us before its too late Rev 22:11. I have never seen anyone use keeping the Sabbath as a way to make one feel better than someone else, if they do, we all have to answer to God, but even if someone was, it still doesn't change what God wrote and God spoke so plainly Exo20:8-11. What other people do or don't do has no bearing on our own salvation. He all have to stand before God based on what we do. Ecc12:13-14 2Cor5:10
I pray to God you seek the truth and not presume you already have it.
Same to you my friend.
This conversation with you has opened my eyes to further truth. Sunday does not nullify nor replace the Sabbath but celebrates its continuation We have ceased from our labors by denying ourselves
Nothing we can find in our Bibles, God made all other days for work and labors Exo20:9 God only blessed and sanctified one day, the seventh day is the Sabbath Exo20:8-11 Gen2:1-3 , the Holy Day of the Lord thy God thus saith the Lord Isa58:13 God never said this about any other day. Sunday over Sabbath is a man-made tradition over obeying one of God's personally written and spoken commandments that comes with His power of blessings and sanctification.
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More Americans are now reading the Bible but fewer believe it’s 100% accurate: study

There's a difference between believing there may be some scribal errors, or even that accuracy was not always the main objective, but that the actual meaning and message still gets through - and discounting passages that might disagree with your idea of morality (especially "modern" morality). But does it matter, for example, if Job actually existed, or was just a parable? Don't we get the same meaning out of it either way?

All that said, I would not feel comfortable saying that ANY scripture is in error.
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Young earth vs Old earth?

I'm sorry. You aren't up to a discussion then?
My mistake. I thought you said you were.

The question, If God's rest ended 24 hours after God ended his creation works, how could persons enter into that rest? is not only reasonable. It follows logic, since if one says the seventh day is literally 24 hours long, then that seventh day rest ended in Genesis 2, before Adam and Eve had sexual relations.
Therefore, to say that the 'rest' Israel had the prospect of entering is God's rest, as stated at Genesis 2:2, 3 would be impossible. Not logical

Perhaps you don't understand the import of the question. Or perhaps you do.
Whatever the case, you aren't ready for any discussion. So, I'll leave you to it.


The other question, Could you provide the scripture that specifically says God "pointed them to the promise of heaven? was asked for you to support the claim that "God rested on the 7th day... is also a reference to our heavenly rest" which isn't anywhere in the Bible.
Hence, why the question remains unanswered.

However, you take care throughfiierytrial. :bye:
I gave you that answer too. Hebrews 4:8
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$15 Billion And Climbing: Trump’s Tariffs Deliver Record High Revenue

Never have people celebrated being taxed this hard.
Between the newfound love of taxes, the authoritarian approach towards speech, and the adoption of alternative medicines, if I didn’t know better, I’d think I was watching a bunch of leftists.
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Bear Fruit in Keeping with Repentance

John the Baptist was called of God, even before he was born, to be “The voice of one crying in the wilderness, make ready the way of the Lord, make his paths straight.” And he did exactly as the Lord had called him to do. He came preaching in the wilderness of Judea, saying, “Repent, for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.” And people were coming to him to be baptized by him in the Jordan River, as they confessed their sins (see Matthew 3:1-6).

“But when he saw many of the Pharisees and Sadducees coming for baptism, he said to them, ‘You brood of vipers, who warned you to flee from the wrath to come? Therefore bear fruit in keeping with repentance; and do not suppose that you can say to yourselves, “We have Abraham for our father”; for I say to you that from these stones God is able to raise up children to Abraham. The axe is already laid at the root of the trees; therefore every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire.’” (Matthew 3:7-10 NASB1995)

The scribes and Pharisees (and Sadducees, too) of Jesus’ day were skilled at hypocrisy. Jesus described them in this way (see Matthew 16 & 23):

• They do not practice what they preach​
• They do their deeds to be seen by others​
• They love places of honor; they love attention​
• They lead people to hell on the promise of heaven​
• They profess one thing but live the opposite​
• They adhere to religious rituals but not to God’s righteousness​
• They appear clean (righteous) outwardly but inwardly are evil​
• They are full of wicked deeds, greed, hypocrisy and self-indulgence​
• They persecute those who are truly righteous in God’s sight​
• Their teaching is not to be trusted; not to be followed​

Therefore, when John saw them coming to him for baptism he did not trust their motives. He doubted the genuineness of their actions, and for good reason. So he called them a “brood of vipers.” For they were malicious, treacherous, and venomous in their nature and in their actions. And they were deceptive, and sneaky, and those who liked to trap people with their words, and who got pleasure out of causing other people pain.

So, he knew that they were not coming to have their hearts, minds, and actions altered (changed, transformed) via genuine repentance. He knew that they were not wanting God to change them inside and out so that they would escape the wrath of God to come. And so he let them know that genuine repentance will result in the bearing of spiritual and biblical fruit (results, outgrowth). There will be evidence that a change has taken place.

And the same is true for us today. For repentance is not just mouthing words of confession of sin, but it is a change of heart and mind resulting in a change of behavior. And it is gifted to us by God, as is our faith, as is our salvation from sin. And it has to do with us dying to sin, being changed in heart and mind by God, and us now walking (in conduct) in obedience to our Lord’s commands, living holy lives pleasing to God, by the grace of God.

And just because you attend services at an institutional “church,” and perhaps you went through the waters of baptism, or just because your parents claimed to be Christians, or you serve on some kind of church committee, that does not mean you are a follower of Jesus Christ. Just because you verbalize faith in Jesus Christ, it does not guarantee you salvation from sin or eternal life with God. We must truly repent.

And the Scriptures make it very clear that if we do not have that change of heart and mind, resulting in a change of behavior, and if sin is still what we practice, and not obedience to God and to his commands, we will not have salvation from sin nor eternal life with God. And that was John’s point to the Pharisees and to the Sadducees. And that is God’s point to us, as well. For it is not a verbal confession of faith in Jesus Christ which saves us, but it is obedience to God that results in life eternal with God/Christ in heaven.

[Matthew 7:13-14,21-23; Luke 9:23-26; John 10:27-30; Acts 26:18; Romans 1:18-32; Romans 2:5-10; Romans 3:23; Romans 6:1-23; Romans 8:1-14; 1 Corinthians 10:1-22; Galatians 5:16-24; Ephesians 2:8-10; Ephesians 4:17-32; Ephesians 5:3-6; Titus 2:11-14; Hebrews 3:1-19; Hebrews 4:1-13; Hebrews 10:19-39; Hebrews 12:1-2; 1 Peter 2:24; 1 John 1:1-10; 1 John 2:3-6; 1 John 3:4-10; Revelation 2:1-29; Revelation 3:1-22]

Walking in The Light

Based off 1 John 1-2
An Original Work / November 16, 2011
Christ’s Free Servant, Sue J Love


When I lift up my voice, and
Sing praise unto God,
I will fellowship with my
Lord and Savior, King.
In Him there is no darkness.
He is in the light of truth.
If we walk in His light,
From sin He purifies.

If we repent of our sins,
He’ll forgive us now,
When we humble ourselves, and
Before Jesus bow.
The man who says, “I know Him,”
But does not obey His truth,
There is no truth in him.
In darkness still he’s found.

Do not love the world of sin,
For it is hell bound.
If you follow the world, you’ll
Not in Christ be found.
The world and its desires
Will not last; they’ll expire.
The one who does God’s will,
Receives eternal life.

See that what you have heard from
Christ remains in you.
Then, you’ll remain in Christ, and
In His Father, too.
This is what He promised us –
His eternal life with God.
So, continue in Him, and
You’ll receive a crown.

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Bear Fruit in Keeping with Repentance
An Original Work / November 28, 2025
Christ’s Free Servant, Sue J Love

What does revival look like?

I've been watching a few video online of revivals that took place in the 1990s. I don't belong to any church at the moment, but in the church I grew up in there was nothing like what I am seeing in these videos. I refer to people shaking, falling under the power of the Holy Spirit, loud crying out to God (I think this was intercession), people coming forward in droves to the front. Does this always accompany revival, or can revival happen in a more quiet manner?

A lot of the falling down and shaking stuff tended to happen when The Holy Spirit was heavy in an area. if you read up on Maria Woodworth Etter's travels, there was always this happening wherever she stayed for 6 months of so, and she traveled quite a bit around America back in the late 1800's to early 1900's.

I don't necessarily agree with it, as I think leadership has to take a more active roll in not allowing the flesh to glory, but it is documented as happening a lot at different church services when a powerful Evangelist came on the scene.
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Average consumer now carries $6,329 in credit card debt. 'People are stretched,' expert says

As usual, gold and silver are the ones crashing, because they are terrible investments.

Gold, silver tumble in biggest daily drop in years
Gold (GC=F) and silver (SI=F) prices tumbled in their biggest daily drops in years as stunning rally in precious metals came to a halt. Spot gold dropped as much as 6.3% to just under $4,100 per troy ounce, its largest intraday drop since 2013. Silver also tumbled more than 8% in its worst day since 2021.
Is this a new record high?

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Up almost 6% in one day!
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Progressive government is the antithesis of a biblically based republic.

No one is fighting with your god, Steve. Those of us who don't believe in your god just don't care about your god.
As a democrat you should know more than anyone that it is possible to aggress against a person without necessarily thinking about that person. In fact the lack of caring itself can be seen as an act of aggression. Complaining about that kind of thing is the democrats' bread and butter
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Are there still Apostles today?

Eph 2 - I believe it refers to the 12 - the Apostles of the Lamb

Where does Barnabus fit in?
Or the 70 others?
And first APOSTLES. means MESSENGERS and will be sitting on 12 Thrones judging Israel , REV 1:6 in. the

MILLENNIAL KINGDOM are then . 12 apostles

The OTHERS are in Eph 4:11 and HE gave , indeed the APOSTLES which. means MESSANGERS

and. the PROPHETS is. one that speaks forth. a Devine message

and EVANGELISTS. means a bringer of good news

and the PASTORS. called SHEPERDS

and teachers.

AND in Eph 4:12 for building up the BODY OF CHRIST

# A IS for Israell

#B Is for the BODY OF CHRIST and to preach ONLY PREACH WHAT Paulb taught in 2 Tim 2:15 , to To PRESENT

yourself accepted by God. a workman HAVING NO SHAME , RIGHTLY DIVIDING the word of TRUTH and Paul ONLY

PREACHED the GRACE OF GOD in Romans 16:25 and 2 6. PERIOD

ALL THE 12. APOSTLES. of he 4 GOSPELS N as you now are DEAD ~~

# C The b only A[OSTLES for n n today are ONLY in v the BODY OF CHRIST !!

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