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NxNW · 2025-12-06T19:09:19-0600

BPPLEE said:
Where were they last year? I don’t deny that Biden won in 2020 just pointing out why some people may question it, but I’m questioning your logic. Were 8 year olds voting or did that many immigrants become eligible to vote?

Voter turnout is a big factor. The higher it is, the bigger the advantage for Dems. The trick is getting people motivated to vote. Thats why the GOP wants to make it harder to vote.

ARBITER01 · 2025-12-06T19:03:33-0600

bling said:
Where are you finding in scripture: "John's water immersion was an immersion of repentance, meaning it was symbolic of the Spiritual immersion/born"? John's baptism was a covenant action to show a commitment to accepting God's forgiveness and turning your life around.

How do you show: Immersion in water is always symbolic of the Holy Spirit, since the Jew immersed ceremonially in many ways?

These are basic NT understandings,.... why don't you understand them?

JoeySoley · 2025-12-06T19:01:21-0600

Venables said:
We haven't been to Mykonos but we were on Lefkada earlier this year, it's one of the mid-sized Greek islands off to the west, Ionian Sea I believe. It was an majestic experience, particularly for mission groups. A sizeable number of beautiful and inspirational churches and deep tradition. I'm having one of those days and can't quite recall the name, but there was one church in the particular that was extraordinary and stayed with us. From the Byzantine architects, a redoubtable design and beautiful frescoes within it. Reminded us of some of the churches on the French Mediterranean coast. Even without the icons, but the architecture on the coast seems it was similarly inspired.

You may be thinking of the Lefkada Church of Panagia Hodegetria (Παναγία Οδηγήτρια)? It's a very old church in an old village, but yes incredible and moving frescoes, though most moved to an institution in Athens as I recall.

Robban · 2025-12-06T19:00:10-0600

I know that many have plenty to do this time of year, out of tradition or not but it is nice to see all the lights in the windows,
and expectations hanging in the air.

Thinking about this I came to think of an old song, for me personally a seamans song, where a sailor far from home and thinking of the folks there at home.

First the song adopted by Svensk-Americans in english,

Second an old version, actually on listening to it brought back memories, Middle of the Atlantic, Irish sea among other places, pretty touching.

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jonojim1337 · 2025-12-06T18:57:41-0600

Well, I thank the Lord, that I have not befallen the whims of women, and that I can focus on his Grace alone ^_^

Oompa Loompa · 2025-12-06T18:52:43-0600

Belk said:
No true Scotsman pro life it would seem.

I wish liberals would show the same level of empathy and compassion for an unborn child that they do for murdering rapist drug smugglers. If so, abortion would be completely banned. But here is an interesting question, if you had the chance to kill the 9/11 hijackers before they boarded the planes that killed 2,977 people, would you? But every year, 72, 776 people in the US die from fentanyl, and 29,449 with cocaine. That is over 34 9/11 attacks in the United States every year! So yes! I celebrate the deaths of every single one of these monsters so that innocent people can live.
So who is more "pro-life?"

jacks · 2025-12-06T18:48:42-0600

Great message, thanks for posting.

civilwarbuff · 2025-12-06T18:40:43-0600

Write to your Senator and CongressCritter: Demand that Trump stop killing innocent drug transporters.
Support your local narcotics dealers. After all, they are just trying to make a living and they have families to support too!!!

Hentenza · 2025-12-06T18:38:06-0600

FenderTL5 said:
It means what it says, but it does not say, "Because they will be counted among the lawless." or "wrongdoers" if you prefer.

But that is literally what the verse says. I’m not sure where you are going with this.

Hentenza · 2025-12-06T18:36:43-0600

SabbathBlessings said:
Our thoughts and ideas are not Scripture nor do they trump the Testimony of God or Jesus. I know this cannot be reasoned with but I will say this last thing and than just let you have the last word and agree to disagree.

It’s called exegesis a verse. You have to look at the context before you can dogmatically interpret it.

SabbathBlessings said:
Jesus never became the Lord of the Sabbath as if He is the creation,

Well, He is the God of creation, the alpha and the omega, so He most certainly is the Lord of the sabbath.

jacks · 2025-12-06T18:32:16-0600

It takes effort to make and keep friends. Be nice, don't be judgmental and reach out to others. I find it helpful to get involved in activities that involve people. Church, sports, clubs, groups, hobbies, etc. Put in more effort to the friendship than it feels like you're getting. Being overly pushy is not as big a problem for most people, as not being pushy enough. I just moved to a new area and had to kind of force myself on people at first, after awhile a few end up being friends. It can be hard at times.

rjs330 · 2025-12-06T18:31:48-0600

iluvatar5150 said:
An op-ed, written by what appears to be a grad student, that doesn't support your claim that "Islamism is the biggest and most deadly threat in the world today." Cool.

Did you expect that every single piece which lists the threats of Islam would specifically say that? I don't know why you would expect that.

iluvatar5150 said:
Perhaps it has something to do with your wild statements and your failure to understand the sources you provide to attempt to substantiate them. Did you even read those pieces beyond the headlines? Nothing in there supported your claim that "Islamism is the biggest and most deadly threat in the world today".

See this is why i dont bother posting links anymore. You and other progressives just ignore them. And your whole shtick of "gee it was 30 years" ago so it doesnt count is ridiculous. It was dangerous then and xan you say it's gotten better? No its worse.

I absolutely read the pieces. Every word. They justify the fact that it is the most dangerous in the world. Read every word of each one and combine them all together and they show exactly why.

iluvatar5150 said:
Nice little goalpost move there. First the complaint was that they were creating "separate communities." Now it's that they're creating the wrong kinds of separate communities.

Nope, are you deliberately misrepresenting what I said or did you just forget?

iluvatar5150 said:
Tell me - in what jurisdiction does Sharia law supersede the regular civil and criminal laws?

Places in the UK and also in Texas. Dallas to be exact. We all know that in many Islamic beliefs and communities women do not have the same rights as men. A man may get a divorce in a Sharia court and a woman has no legal option to representation and US courts will not intervene. Women won't take that to court because they know what will happen in their communities to them if they do. I heard an interview with a woman who was able to get out and share her story. She won't go back becauae she was afraid foe her safety. Many women are not that strong.

iluvatar5150 said:
I have a special dislike towards hypocrites.

No you don't. If you did you wouldn't support so many hypocritical things from the left. Your special.dialike is not for hypocrites its for conservatives who recognize some truths in the world that you do not wish to confront. Such as the dangers of Islamism.

iluvatar5150 said:
You should tell that to all of the fundamentalists I grew up with, because they leaned pretty hard on the physical separation. In fact, I'd argue that American Evangelical Christianity has gone MUCH farther down the road of physical separation than the spiritual one. They've got their own schools and media ecosystems, and church programs most nights of the week so one doesn't even have to find other avenues for socialization. What they haven't done at all is excised themselves of the greed, power-seeking, corruption, consumerism, and idol-worship that is supposed to be a mark of wordly spirituality.

Once again you misunderstand scripture. Evangelicals live in the world. We do not separate ourselves from it. Its telling to me that you decry the fact they wish to spend time with each other studying the word of God. Somehow that is a bad thing for you?

What I am finding is that too many churches are running toward friendship.with the world. Following and supporting worldly things. And quite frankly too many Evangelical churches are starting to do the same. You are correct in that there has been a movement among some churches toward those things you mentioned. Particularly in the mega church movement. I won't deny it.

jonojim1337 · 2025-12-06T18:23:00-0600

timothyu said:
Depends if they understand the concept of being selfish.

My understanding is that people understand very little. By the grace of God, they get a standard that they are satisfied with, and have little concern for anything else.

Michie · 2025-12-06T18:10:56-0600

d taylor said:
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Well it is the age of satan and believers can be deceived into believing in lies.

The Hebrews are an example of this on may occasions worshiping false idols, that pagan groups introduced into their lives. Also Number 13,14 is a great example of the Hebrews believing in the lies of their own spies. Instead of the word/promise of God that He, (God) would be with them and that they can take the land God is giving them. So believers believing in lies is nothing new.

I take it you think believing in a flat earth and disbelieving a moon landing are salvation issues. They aren’t.

jonojim1337 · 2025-12-06T18:00:15-0600

I think it’s important to store your treasures in heaven, and not in video games. That being said, I do occasionally play a little video games, and it’s nothing I’m particularly proud of. He must increase and I must decrease, and whatever is in store for me, I guess I’ll find that out eventually.

Oompa Loompa · 2025-12-06T17:54:58-0600

comana said:
Why? What harm does it cause.

What good does it bring? Why wouldn't someone renounce their home country citizenship if they truly want to be a US citizen? What happens when war breaks out between the United States and the country you are also a citizen of? Should you be in the military with dual citizenship?

jonojim1337 · 2025-12-06T17:51:47-0600

9Rock9 said:
So, I want to explore political philosophy and how it relates to Christianity.

Ideally, our faith should inform our politics, but not the other way around. Yet, this unfortunately not the case in reality. I don't intend to turn this into a finger pointing game between the left and the right, I just want to explore options here.

Should the government enact policies that reflect Christian policies?

One could argue yes, since a Christian government could provide a moral foundation for an otherwise secular society and arguably improves everyone's lives. On the other hand, one can say that the government would just bastardize Christianity and use it as a weapon for social control.

What about libertarianism? The Bible says to help the poor and needy. Yet, does that mean we should petition the government to do it, or is charity a personal responsibility for us as Christians, and thus we should not outsource it to the state?

Should there be a government? There are verses that seem to advocate for submitting to earthly authorities. Then again, many of these earthly authorities have, and sometimes still do, put innocent people to death. It can also be argued that the government has a monopoly on force and violence.

What are your thoughts?

I'm personally undecided, but that's why I made this thread. I want to see what others think to help me find out where I stand.

Christian politics is, that 12,000 from each tribe of Israel will rule together with Christ. You can take that as a literal or figurative number, but the point is they are from one bloodline. This is non-negotiable. If you want to find out what bloodline it is, I guess you have to do some more reading and praying.

bling · 2025-12-06T17:38:17-0600

BelieveItOarKnot said:
There's a perfectly good and obvious reason why terms in the KJV with regards to a lot a scripture using terms such as "these" and "they" rather than people.

The reason is contained right there in the parable and exampled by Jesus and the Apostles that shows the devil and his messengers operate in and through people.

So, you will term people as just some people but the term some isn't in the parable

ALL people have the Word stolen from our hearts. ALL. That theft is perpetual. None have perfect and full understandings. None. There are no exceptions. Never have been other than God Himself in the flesh

Another strawman argument: I never suggested anyone other than Christ is perfect.

Do at least some Christians have the indwelling Holy Spirit and if so does demons, devil or some other evil beings also dwell in these people?

I am still waiting on you to find on NT translation done by a group of scholars which has Mark 4:13-20 using people. Also look at Jesus explanation of the same parable in Matt:13: 18 “Listen then to what the parable of the sower means: 19 When anyone hears the message about the kingdom and does not understand it, the evil one comes and snatches away what was sown in their heart. This is the seed sown along the path. 20 The seed falling on rocky ground refers to someone who hears the word and at once receives it with joy. 21 But since they have no root, they last only a short time. When trouble or persecution comes because of the word, they quickly fall away. 22 The seed falling among the thorns refers to someone who hears the word, but the worries of this life and the deceitfulness of wealth choke the word, making it unfruitful. 23 But the seed falling on good soil refers to someone who hears the word and understands it. This is the one who produces a crop, yielding a hundred, sixty or thirty times what was sown.”

You have to look at the context for both the soils and different individuals, they are not all the same people.

BelieveItOarKnot said:
We're not discussing possession

Are they not in the person causing sin?

BelieveItOarKnot said:
Temptation equates to evil lawless thoughts which defile everyone. Again no exceptions. Never have been exceptions

You say: “Temptation equates to evil lawless thoughts which defile everyone. Again no exceptions.” Jesus was tempted so did He have evil thoughts?

Dreyma · 2025-12-06T17:36:56-0600

I'm currently teaching The Crucible to my eleventh graders. One of the characters, a slave named Tituba, is from Barbados. I didn't know where that was located, so I Googled it. Barbados is an island in the Caribbean Sea / West Indies:

Tigger Boy · 2025-12-06T17:26:41-0600

CoreyD said:
I appreciate you telling me that, thanks.

Thanks for trying.
That was a great effort, and you did well - far better than Copilot, because you saw that these are not examples that will stand up, but actual people. This is why intelligent minds are better than AI.
You are correct. That is exactly what these texts are saying. Quite simply

The next step is to find out if this judgment is a day where people will line up before a throne, and sentence be read, after which, wrongdoers are punished.
I think you already recognize that cannot be the case, since the Queen of Sheba is spoken of in a positive way, as well as the Ninevites. In fact, even those in Sodom and Gomorrah, where that city and all in it were destroyed for gross sin, are all said to stand up "with this generation, and condemn it".

So then, how long is the judgment day?
Please read Luke 22:28-30; Revelation 20:4-6
Here, we see that Jesus judges with those chosen to rule with him for the thousand years, when the Devil is bound, so that he does not mislead the nations until the thousand years are ended. Revelation 20:1-4

Judgement day is a period of 1,000 years where all who return... actual people who lived in the land of Sodom and Gomorrah, Nineveh, Tyre and Sidon, .... the entire globe of unrighteous people, will be raised to, what Jesus calls, a resurrection of judgment. John 5:28, 29
What does this involve?

Revelation 20:12
12 And I saw the dead, the great and the small, standing before the throne, and [h]books were opened; and another [i]book was opened, which is the book of life; and the dead were judged from the things which were written in the [j]books, according to their deeds.

Of course, physically dead people cannot stand, so this scripture evidently refers to spiritually dead.
So, we can conclude that these are the same unrighteous people, that are raised to a resurrection of judgment.
The verse says these dead ones are judged from the things which were written in the books, according to their deeds.
The Bible does not say what these books are, but they are judged according to their deeds.
Since the judgment is 1,000 years their deeds would correspond with that period, and those books.

The next verse tells us they were judged, each one of them according to their deeds, and if anyone’s name was not found written in the book of life [the other book that was opened], he was thrown into the lake of fire... which means the second death. Revelation 20:13-15
That means, obviously, their deeds during the 1,000 years did not lead to righteousness.

So, after the 1,000 years, when Satan is loosed, and goes out to deceive the nations which are at the four corners of the earth, he gathers together a great number of them that is like the sand of the seashore. Revelation 20:7, 8
Their final outcome is the second death.
However, they were given an opportunity to learn righteousness and practice it.

The answer then, to your query regarding God's mercy for people in the Old Testament. Yes. Not only is it reasonable, it's scriptural, that God remembers unrighteous people who died before having the opportunity to put faith in Jesus Christ, and will resurrect these ones to life, so that they can learn the truth, and live by righteous deeds... if they so desire. Acts 24:15
Those spiritually dead ones who practice righteousness, will come to life spiritually, after the 1,000 years. Revelation 20:5

Corey, my understanding of the thousand year judgement of Rev. 20, is a literal thousand years in which the living saints at the time of Christ return and those resurrected in the first resurrection (believers of all ages past) will set with Christ in heaven during this sentencing portion of Christ’s judgment of the lost. The saints will examine each lost individuals book of deeds to determine the amount of restitution that each sinner must atone for in Hell before they experience the second death.

The earth is void during this time, as all the lost are slain by the sword (command) that comes out of the mouth of the, Faithful and True [Christ] Rev. 19. The lost of all ages are resurrected in the second resurrection at the end of the thousand years, Revelation 20:5. Satin and his angels too, are released from the spirit realm again and gather the lost to destroy New Jerusalem, the camp of God’s people, the city He loves, (Rev. 20:7-9) which has come down from heaven.

Jesus commands a halt to Satan and the fallen before their assault on the city, for the Great White Throne Judgement is to take place. Here at this time all who have ever had life will be in attendance. The saints inside of New Jerusalem and the lost outside. The saints will have just witnessed that even when the wicked see New Jerusalem in it’s splendid glory before their very eyes, they still will not repent and honor God, but were willing to follow Satin and destroy God and His people. Their actions prove God was correct in judging them as unrepentant.

At this time also God wants the lost to understand why He could not save them, thus each individual is show their book of deeds that had been recorded during their lifetime, out of which Christ Judge them. After this reveal, every knee will bow before Christ our creator. The wicked because His justice was true, and the saints because of His mercy to save them by faith, knowing their unworthiness.

Then follows the fires of hell falling from heaven which devours the wicked, according to the restitution that each must pay before eternal death (the wages of sin) claims their life. Thus sin is no more, and Christ creates the new heaven and earth, and the saints witness it all, and receive it as their inheritance, because of their faith in Christ.

Dan Perez · 2025-12-06T17:26:38-0600

Dave... said:
Yes, they are in Heaven.

Before the cross John 3:13-15. That Psalm passage in post #21 was the wrong one. I fixed it. It said Psalm 16:19, but I meant Psalm 16:10-11. That was to show that what was called Sheol in the OT, is called Hades in the NT.

And John. 3:13 SAY that no one has ASCENDED. IN. HEAVEN ,( BUT // ME. , IS A DISJUNCATIVE PARTICLE NEGATIVE. ). means

NEVERRRRR has ascended to HEAVEN. but he that came down. FROM HEAVEN !!

So where does anyone go after DEATH ??

And I do have answer and shown just where the lost go after . death and. where those saved go after dying !!

dan p

Coolerranch · 2025-12-06T17:24:29-0600

*Takes a sip of magic tea* May God bless you even if it may seem as though satan has gotten an advantage or is worth believing. For God will send someone to help you whether it be the Holy Spirit, or angels, or a person to remind you that you're being helped by these beings.

St_Worm2 · 2025-12-06T17:18:59-0600

Chocolate Covered

Hans Blaster · 2025-12-06T17:18:51-0600

Episode 38 continues, though the North vent (the weaker one today) is already shut down. The South vent is still throwing lava about 1/2 mile through the air. (It must really hate the V2 cam.)

Here is a news report from the Big Island:

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