bob121 said:

SabbathBlessings, grace and peace to you in Christ. Your comment has much 'worth'—your words are worth far more than fine gold, for they point us straight to God’s own (Ps 19:10). Thank you for this rich Sabbath thread from Genesis to the new earth. It stirs the heart to treasure the Lord’s Day as a holy convocation.

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I accidently deleted my original post, not sure how I did that, so I may be more brief on this one.

I appreciate the warm welcome, and agree we need to treasure the Lords day as a holy convocation, but we need to honor the one God said so, no? isn’t that the whole point? I would think it would be the only one God claimed in His own words as My holy day, the holy day of the Lord, meaning there’s just one Isa8:13 and told us to keep holy on a weekly basis Exo20:8-11 Lev 23:3, the only day God sanctified in the entire Bible, as far as I know man can’t sanctify a day or sanctify themselves Isa 66:17 only God can to do this and both of these are only linked to God’s Sabbath Eze20:12 Gen2:3 Exo20:11

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Your verses breathe the same fire that drives my original post: God calls His people to cease, to gather, to hear His voice together. I love how you trace the pattern through Jesus and the apostles.

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Yes the Scriptures and pattern through Jesus and apotles are very plain. I do not think its wise to take this clear pattern and change it to a different day it loses all its value because it becomes a man-made tradition over a commandment of God, coming with His power and sanctification. Something Paul warned about in the same passage you quoted Col2:8

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A gentle question to deepen the joy: When the shadow meets the Substance, does the day itself shift with Him?

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Can you tell me how our Creator and Sanctifier could ever be a shadow of anything? Is the Creator not the Subtance? Sorry this argument doesn't make sense.

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Christ rose on the first day (Matt 28,28:1),

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Yes, He did. He rested on the seventh day, rose and went back to His Fathers work on the first day. Can you point to the verse that says because He rose on the first day, we no longer need to keep the Sabbath commandment but keep Sunday instead?

His faithful disciples who followed Jesus everywhere kept the Sabbath after His death according to the commandment Luke23:56 they were the first ones to see Jesus after He rose, had there been a change to one of His commandments why would He not tell them or anyone. An argument from silence over the plain written and spoken Word of God does not seem like a good idea to me.

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the Spirit fell on a first-day feast (Lev 23:15–16; Acts 2)

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This was an annual feast and there is no Scripture that says Pentecost was on the first day, it could have fallen on any day.

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, and the church broke bread and collected offerings then (Acts 20:7; 1 Cor 16:2).

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They broke bread daily Acts 2:46 and 1Cor16:2 was not a church offering, it was a one time at home collection to help the needy. Neither of these verses say anything about transferring the 4th commandment to the first day. That would be something only God could do, He already promised in His word He would not Psa89:34 Mat5:18-19

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Colossians calls sabbaths “a shadow… but the substance is Christ” (Col 2:16–17).

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I know this is the go to verse everyone uses to get rid of the 4th commandment but with this serious of warning of Paul’s writing doesn’t it deserve more than just a surface read if we are going to use it against the Testimony of God. Exo 31:18

2 Peter 3: 15 and consider that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation—as also our beloved brother Paul, according to the wisdom given to him, has written to you, 16 as also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things, in which are some things hard to understand, which untaught and unstable people twist to their own destruction, as they do also the rest of the Scriptures.

Lets bring in some more context

Col 2:14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;

Paul is speaking about something that was handwritten and was against and contrary to us.

The weekly Sabbath was written by the finger of God along with the other 9 commandments Deut4:13 Exo31:18 and God singled out the Sabbath in this unit as the one being holy and blessed by God and points to Him as our Creator. Exo20:11 And the God we are to worship in the very three commandments. What God blessed man can’t reverse Numbers 23:20 we would need a thus saith the Lord to get rid of the 4th commandment. God said He would not alter His words Psa89:34 not a jot or tittle Mat5:18-19. Would Paul really be teaching against God? I do not think so… this is what Paul was quoting

2 Cor 33:8 and I will not again remove the foot of Israel from the land which I have appointed for your fathers—only if they are careful to do all that I have commanded them, according to the whole law and the statutes and the ordinances by the hand of Moses.”

God wrote the Ten Commandments which included the Sabbath commandment, its under His mercy seat, was written by the Holy Spirit of Truth, man cannot edit this as there is no one greater than He. Moses hand wrote all the other laws that included the animal sacrifices, annual feast days, that some were also annual sabbaths that had to do with food and drink offerings the context of this passage and was placed besides the ark there as a witness against Deuteronomy 31:24-26 so clearly this is what Paul is quoting and the shadow he was pointing to Heb10:1-10 Heb9:10-15.

The weekly Sabbath started at Creation Exo20:11 when God made everything according to His perfect plan, before a need of a plan of salvation so its not a shadow of anything, it points to our Creator, Exo20:11 our Sanctifier Eze20:11 and the God we are to worship Rev 14:7

Jesus said the Sabbath was made for man Mark2:27- what God made for man is not against man, so this teaching that it’s about God’s Sabbath is really an attack on the character of God.

Jesus in His own words said the Sabbath would be kept up to His Second Coming Mat24:20 and for eternity Isa66:23 so obviously Col 2:16 cannot be about God’s holy Sabbath day. Again as we see in the life of the apostles keeping every Sabbath with both Jews and Gentiles just as Jesus said Isa56:6-7 decades after the Cross.

bob121 said:

So we still gather weekly—eagerly, as Heb 10:25 urges—but on the day resurrection broke the grave. What do you make of that first-day pattern?

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There is no first day pattern in all of Scripture. The apotles did things daily, doesn’t mean it starts deleting the commandments of God.

Please re-read the Biblical pattern with plain Scriptures provided to you in the post you are replying to. This is God’s will, not doing something different. Making a common day as a holy day never worked out before for anyone Eze22:26. I do not think it will again.

PS: Jason in Japan, I love Japan, only went there once, loved it, hope I can go back again once day soon.

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It is important to note that since the time of this Papal document, the Popes have had private meetings with the owners, heads, or CEO's of all the major social media platforms. Many of which we have all witnessed exercising a great deal of censorship on their platforms. These of course only represent the censorship the public at large has noticed and therefore brought forward to be addressed.

Here we have an address from the Vatican intending to define the parameters and or narratives of communication on the internet. Which it had apparently already addressed regarding the media, and has continued to address to date regarding social media as well. Basically a call to regulate that which it has considered to deregulated. These regulations should be implemented in line with the principles of what the Vatican describes as the common good. So, who determines or defines what the common good is? Adolf Hitler’s twenty fifth point of his 25 Points of the Nazi Party was - Common Good Before Individual Good. Adolf and the Nazi’s are pretty much gone for now, so whose common good are we talking about exactly? Obviously, we are talking about the common good as defined by the Vatican and Popes. Who is the Vatican to be calling for these regulations by nations on a global scale?

It most certainly is not the voice of the people of the various nations via the representatives they have elected to convey and implement their political desires. The Vatican stands among and as another international globalist institution of unelected officials, who wish to impose their politics upon the various nations of this world with or without the consent of the people of these nations. Just like all the other international globalist institutions of unelected officials, desiring to do the same. The Vatican itself has stated and supports the implementation of the rule of certain of these international globalist institutions over all nations. All of which is to specifically bypass the will of the peoples of nations in favor of the rule of unelected elitist international globalist officials in cahoots with each other. Of which the Vatican itself is a major if not the most significant players. Being herself a monarchal leftover from the dark or middle ages, this is the form of authoritative government she most fully supports and has most often supported throughout her lengthy history. To create such a system on a global scale, would be to recreate the conditions under which the Vatican ruled with the kings of this earth for over a thousand years. Just a global version of the dark ages with the Vatican and unelected officials of international organizations ruling together over all. Rather than the dark ages version of the Vatican and unelected kings, queens, and royalty ruling together predominantly over all European nations.

Authoritative government and censorship walk hand in hand. We have already and do continue to witness attempts by globalist and or left leaning entities to censor speech that does not support and or contradicts their narratives. The most recent and appalling examples being demonstrated during the Covid-19 plandemic. As we continue to examine the topic of censorship, I intend to reveal the direct connection between the so called common good, and the same. The following post will be an article from the days of Hitler himself addressing the dangers of a supposed common good. After which we will continue to address the present Papal document under examination, followed by many other Papal documents defining “The common good”, and its connection to authoritarian government and censorship.

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Are you seriously blaming the Roman Catholic Church for the censorship of certain left-leaning tech firms?

I would point out you have no evidence - not even circumstantial evidence, that the Roman church has conspired with these firms. The fact that the Pope has met with their leaders is immaterial - the Pope meets with a number of people, and different Popes have had different agendas. For example Pope Leo XIV is concerned about the dehumanizing uses of AI, as am I.

Obviously since chatGPT is about to allow users to generate erotica, which the RCC is opposed to, the Pope does not have much influence over the tech industry titans.

I really feel like this accusation, and your accusation of 120 million Roman Catholic caused fatalities in the Middle Ages, are off base in the extreme, and would like to know where you found them. Whoever is responsible for initially propagating these allegations should either bring forth real evidence or apologize to Roman Catholics everywhere, such as my pious Roman Catholic friends @chevyontheriver @Michie @Valletta @boughtwithaprice @RileyG and @Xeno.of.athens

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Amo2 said:

We have direct testimony and teaching from our Lord Jesus Christ concerning the proper place of tradition in relation to the law and testimony of the word of God, that is to say holy scripture.

Mrk 7:1 Then came together unto him the Pharisees, and certain of the scribes, which came from Jerusalem. 2 And when they saw some of his disciples eat bread with defiled, that is to say, with unwashen, hands, they found fault. 3 For the Pharisees, and all the Jews, except they wash their hands oft, eat not, holding the tradition of the elders. 4 And when they come from the market, except they wash, they eat not. And many other things there be, which they have received to hold, as the washing of cups, and pots, brasen vessels, and of tables. 5 Then the Pharisees and scribes asked him, Why walk not thy disciples according to the tradition of the elders, but eat bread with unwashen hands? 6 He answered and said unto them, Well hath Esaias prophesied of you hypocrites, as it is written, This people honoureth me with their lips, but their heart is far from me. 7 Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men. 8 For laying aside the commandment of God, ye hold the tradition of men, as the washing of pots and cups: and many other such like things ye do. 9 And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition. 10 For Moses said, Honour thy father and thy mother; and, Whoso curseth father or mother, let him die the death: 11 But ye say, If a man shall say to his father or mother, It is Corban, that is to say, a gift, by whatsoever thou mightest be profited by me; he shall be free. 12 And ye suffer him no more to do ought for his father or his mother; 13 Making the word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye.

Tradition itself is subject to the law and testimony or word of God. Whatever traditions contradict the teachings of the law and testimony of holy scripture, are to be sacrificed by the believer, rather than the other way around.

Isa 8:20 To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.

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We know our Lord was speaking of the Pharisaical traditions, and not Holy Tradition, for this reason - St. Paul expressly enjoins us to follow Holy Tradition in 1 Corinthians 11:2, 2 Thessalonians 2:15, and in the original Greek through the use of a word that means “traditioned” in Galatians 1:8-9.

Thus the abuse of Mark 7 as a condemnation of the Apostolic Tradition is simply eisegesis. If one reads the New Testament as a coherent whole, it is clear it endorses tradition, which was acknowledged by the early Protestants such as Martin Luther, Thomas Cranmer, John Wesley and even John Calvin - who did not dispense with tradition but merely sought to use Scripture to evaluate the traditions of the Roman Catholic Church at that time.

It would probably have been better to evaluate the Roman Catholic Church relative to the Orthodox churches since everything Luther was bothered by was not an issue in the Orthodox church; indeed the first proper Protestant church, the Unitas Fratrum in Moravia, under St. Jan Hus and St. Jerome of Prague, was an attempt to restore those things the Czechs and Slovaks had enjoyed under Orthodoxy - communion in both kinds and the use of a language (church Slavonic) which they could understand, even if that language was not the vernacular (for some Europeans likewise Latin was appropriate as a comprehensible liturgical language, particularly in Southern Europe, indeed Italians can understand some bits of Latin even today, particularly in Sardinia, and other Latin words such as Gratias are plainly translated into other languages such as Spanish, and indeed the Roman Church originally adopted Latin as a vernacular language, to be more accessible to the lower classes of Rome who could not speak Greek, not having access in their adolescence to a Rhaetor, the Roman equivalent of a private high school, which was out of budget for all except Patricians, Plebs of Equestrian stature and wealthy merchants such as Marcion, the heretical shipping magnate.

Valletta said:

I understand, but the whole meaning behind any of the terms using "co-" was that Mary fully cooperated with Jesus. Never was it meant to be on an equal footing, that's why a number of popes, such as John Paul II, used the title.

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Indeed, but the title was never formally dogmatized, and the group pushing for its dogmatization, the Fifth Dogma people, were connected with an apparition the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith under Blessed Pope Benedict XVI (yes, I referred to him as Blessed; your Congregation for the Causes of the Saints has their schedule for beatification, and I have mine) and later under Gerhard Cardinal Muller, who by rights ought to be Pope now (or Raymond Cardinal Burke, or Archbishop Salvatore Cordileone, or Cardinal Sarah, or the Major Archbishop of the Ukrainian Greek Catholic Church; for that matter His Grace Athanasius Schneider ought to be the locum tenems for those German dioceses that issued a form for the blessing of homosexual unions during the Papal interregnum and falsely claimed to have worked with the DDF to implement it, which the DDF denies), rejected as not worthy of belief.

To allow this devotion to have official status would be yet another win for dubious Marian apparitions (the other being Medjugorje), apparitions which unlike those at Fatima, or the miraculous apparition of Our Lady of Guadalupe, have not produced any kind of radical mass conversion but which instead have a dark side (for example, Medjugorje has been used by the Franciscans who historically ran all the churches in Herzegovina before it became a Diocese following its incorporation into the Austrian Empire, at which time they were supposed to turn the churches over to Diocesan clergy - at one point they literally bricked up the Church of St. James in Medjurgorje to prevent this from happening) to maintain their influence, and indeed a film was made which depicted the pious Bishop of the Diocese of Mostar in an unflattering light).

Roman Catholics ought to venerate the Theotokos more in the liturgy and in a more controlled manner, with more Marian hymns, better Marian hymns, which already exist in the West by the way; they are in the old Divine Office and Traditional Latin Mass and certain other ancient Latin Masses such as the Ambrosian and Mozarabic - and additionally the importation and Westernization of Eastern Marian hymns such as the Stavrotheotokia, the acheingly beautiful hymns of Mary at the Foot of the Cross, which would go well with the Seven Sorrows devotion, would be very meet. And the use of the Akathist by Western Catholics would be more edifying and focused than the long Rosary services or the Novena.

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However, dust had no immortal soul. The creative act is God breathing life into lifeless matter. You'll note that the website's facility of providing biblical references with the corresponding text does not support your claim:

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19 “And son of man, appoint for yourself two ways for the sword of the king of Babylon to go; both of them shall go from the same land. Make a sign; put it at the head of the road to the city.

I am not a YEC and so have no position to defend. However, I think your exegesis may have a bit more of eisgesis in it that one should avoid.

[Psalm 51] A lament, the most famous of the seven Penitential Psalms, prays for the removal of the personal and social disorders that sin has brought. The poem has two parts of approximately equal length: Ps 51:3–10 and Ps 51:11–19, and a conclusion in Ps 51:20–21. The two parts interlock by repetition of “blot out” in the first verse of each section (Ps 51:3, 11), of “wash (away)”.

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I submit that "removal", "blot out" and "wash away" are not creative acts but remedial as in correcting or improving something that has gone wrong (reforming).

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I understand that the word "make" is used as an English translation. But again, the Hebrew word in Ezekiel 21:19 is "bara" which is the same word in Genesis 1:1. I'm not eisegeting anything, I'm exegeting out of the Hebrew text. And English translations vary, but the Hebrew is what the text actually is written in, and thus it is more authoritative than translations. We aren't debating english translations, (which vary widely) we are debating the hebrew word bara and its usage.

In Ezekiel 21:19, Ezekiel is instructed to bara a sign post. A human being is the subject of the verb and he will create the stop sign. He will bara it. And Ezekiel obviously isnt making a sign appear out of thin air. He is using pre existing material.

And regarding Adam, again, nothing material comes into existence. The dust of the ground is already there before God creates Adam.

And I can repeat this all day until people come to terms with the reality of the old testament. Nothing material is coming into existence. And I can give dozens of examples throughout the old testament if I need to.

Again, the point here is that nothing material is coming into existence.

1 Samuel 2:29 is another example:

1 Samuel 2:29 NASB2020
[29] Why are you showing contempt for My sacrifice and My offering which I have commanded for My dwelling, and why are you honoring your sons above Me, by making yourselves fat with the choicest of every offering of My people Israel?’

The Hebrew word in this verse is "bara" to create. The passage is saying, "creating yourselves fat".

Again, it's not about material origins. It's about getting fat. And anyone who does a word study on bara can plainly see this. It's just a fact of the text. God baras objects, people bara objects too. God creates. So do people. And never, in the old testament does it mean ex nihilo creation.

New testament authors describe ex nihilo creation of a later Greco roman context. But you'll never find this concept of ex nihilo creation in the old testament.

Again, the point here is that nothing material is coming into existence. In all of the instances of bara throughout the old testament, this is consistently true. The physical material is already there.

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I do know that a lot of people are interested in it because they want to order people around like tough guys.

If there is an agency that has earned total and complete disrespect it is ICE/BCP and it didn't start this year.

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There are definitely people who have no business being in law enforcement but you are judging all of them by the actions of a few.
It's not about ordering people around

I find that ambient and drone music help quiet the endless loops in my head (ADHD for you) and enables me to digest Scripture more easily.

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G-d's plan for Gaza will prevail, regardless of what other nations or NGOs decide, even regardless of what Israel decides.

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Lovely, I await the full disengagement of the US from the conflict as were unnecessary.

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Christians should carefully read John 4:21-24, Romans 11:1-36 ( especially Romans 11:21-23)and beware of the current extreme, anti Israel sentiments that are emerging. Unbelievers should read and be hopefully converted.

Israel has a lot to answer for but it has enemies who will always try to not allow it to even exist.

I'm happy to have lived in an age of biblical enlightenment and have witnessed what it represents, the continual defeat of good by evil and the doom to come, but knowing ultimately that HIS Will will be done, not rebellious man's or elohim's who refuse to learn from history in their selfish rampage towards destruction.

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The more monitors the better. We don't need a repeat of Michigan. Lara Trump recruited more than 100,000 poll watchers.

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No problem. It was quite the journey for me. Like most evangelicals in the Bible Belt, I was a young earth creationist just because that was what I was taught, and evolution is a gateway to atheism. I used to be pretty militant about it.

I did everything shift to Old Earth Creationism, as I thought it made more logical sense, but I was still critical of evolution. At that point, it was less evolution itself and more that I thought a non-literal reading of Genesis was disingenuous, which I thought was required in order to fit evolution in.

I don't think the mytho-history view necessitates evolution, but I no longer think evolution conflicts with a high view of scripture, either.

I think the real reason I was so anti-evolution is that I didn't like having my intelligence mocked for wanting to believe the Bible, and it closed me off to other viewpoints. So, while I am no longer convinced of creationism, at least not YEC, I still sympathize with it because I used to agree with it, and many of my friends and family still affirm it.

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I can understand the angst involved in all of that, even if my wrestling with these issues has been as someone who began as a child, and later as an adult, with evolution and mainstream science and who then tried to make heads or tails out of any kind of veracity that could be found in the collection of Biblical Texts. It's not easy to do, so everyone on all sides has my sympathy.

This is also one reason that where the first 11 chapters of Genesis are concerned I try to be especially gracious. There's so much to wrestle with and so I try not to contend with other Christians on the matter, whether they're YEC or evolutionary like myself.

Discussion 1 was about Eve. This discussion will be about Adam, and at times Eve, because on certain points it was impossible to not to mention her.

I won't be talking about every single thing regarding Adam that is brought up in the book (there is a lot), so I picked certain things.


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Read Genesis 2 and 3 in your Bible. I will post a link to the NIV translation, but you are welcome to read whichever translation you prefer.





Some points about Adam (and sometimes Eve) mentioned in "God's Word to Women":

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What did you think of these points? Agree or disagree? Not sure? Do any of these statements contradict what you have been taught?

I've recently posted on my blog site about a Test of Faith I've had with Nike, which ultimately , resulted in me being let go of the role.
I would be curious on anyones thoughts and advice here -

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Seismic monitoring stations in Alaska are closing after a denied federal grant, risking delayed tsunami warnings for people living on the West Coast.

Nine seismic stations in Alaska are set to go dark this month, leaving tsunami forecasters without important data used to determine whether an earthquake will send a destructive wave barreling toward the West Coast.

The stations relied on a federal grant that lapsed last year; this fall, the Trump administration declined to renew it. A NOAA grant for about $300,000 each year had supported the stations.

The U.S. has two tsunami warning centers — one in Palmer, Alaska, and the other in Honolulu — that operate around-the-clock making predictions that help emergency managers determine whether coastal evacuations are necessary after an earthquake. The data from Alaska’s seismic stations has historically fed into the centers.

Both centers are already short-staffed.

Additionally, the National Oceanographic and Atmospheric Administration has decreased funding for the National Tsunami Hazard Mitigation Program, which pays for the majority of states’ tsunami risk reduction work.

On top of that, NOAA laid off the National Weather Service’s tsunami program manager, Corina Allen, as part of the Trump administration’s firing of probationary workers in February, according to Harold Tobin, the Washington state seismologist. A

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They really took a wrecking ball to the government but it's not like we were not warned.

Two courts urge ICE to halt deportation of man wrongfully imprisoned for more than 40 years​

Two different courts have called on immigration officials to halt deportation of a Pennsylvania man who spent more than 40 years in prison for a murder conviction that was recently overturned.

Subramanyam Vedam, 64, was brought to the United States by his parents when he was nine months old. Vedam is a legal permanent resident

He is currently being held in a short-term center in Alexandria, Louisiana, which is equipped with an airstrip for deportations.

He has maintained his innocence in the murder case throughout his time in prison and his conviction was overturned this year. He was released from state prison on 3 October only to be taken straight into immigration custody.

Immigration and Customs Enforcement is seeking to deport Vedam over his no contest plea to charges of LSD delivery, filed when he was about 20.

“Having a single conviction vacated will not stop ICE’s enforcement of the federal immigration law,” Tricia McLaughlin, assistant secretary for public affairs, said in an email.

Editing federal employees’ emails to blame Democrats for shutdown violated their First Amendment rights, judge says​

A federal judge ruled Friday that the Department of Education violated the First Amendment rights of some agency employees when it sent out-of-office messages on their behalf that blamed Democrats for the government shutdown.

The ruling from US District Judge Christopher Cooper is the latest court rebuke of controversial moves by the Trump administration during what has now become the longest shutdown in US history.

Cooper permanently barred the administration from “modifying furloughed employees’ out-of-office e-mail messages to include partisan speech” for all members of the union American Federation of Government Employees.

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A good video about the unreliability of radiometric dating.

Michie said:

Open coffin and chaplain in a Dracula cape: Church receives hate comments for "Halloween service"

A Halloween service with an open coffin, artificial fog, and a chaplain in a Dracula cape: This pleased around 50 residents of Freising – and angered many others.



But the Latin Mass is the problem



Halloween and the Catholic Church, do they somehow go together? Yes, says Freising parish vicar Michael Korell, pointing to the Catholic origins of the evening before All Saints' Day and therefore advocating for a "Halloween service" on October 31 in the Mortuary chapel at St. George's Cemetery. With plenty of artificial fog, a semi-open coffin, and a touch of spooky atmosphere.

Under the Dracula cape, Chaplain Michael Korell wore his official vestments.

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.... That's interesting. I'm not sure that this form of 'seeker friendly' service really does the job or represents the appropriate awareness of sanctity. But that's just my comment in passing.

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Bringing peace into several cities

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You have got to be kidding.

Rev 4.4 After this I looked, and there before me was a door standing open in heaven. And the voice I had first heard speaking to me like a trumpet said, “Come up here, and I will show you what must take place after this.” 2 At once I was in the Spirit, and there before me was a throne in heaven with someone sitting on it. 3 And the one who sat there had the appearance of jasper and ruby. A rainbow that shone like an emerald encircled the throne. 4 Surrounding the throne were twenty-four other thrones, and seated on them were twenty-four elders. They were dressed in white and had crowns of gold on their heads. 5 From the throne came flashes of lightning, rumblings and peals of thunder. In front of the throne, seven lamps were blazing. These are the seven spirits of God. 6 Also in front of the throne there was what looked like a sea of glass, clear as crystal.

In the center, around the throne, were four living creatures, and they were covered with eyes, in front and in back. 7 The first living creature was like a lion, the second was like an ox, the third had a face like a man, the fourth was like a flying eagle. 8 Each of the four living creatures had six wings and was covered with eyes all around, even under its wings. Day and night they never stop saying:

“‘Holy, holy, holy
is the Lord God Almighty,’
who was, and is, and is to come.”

9 Whenever the living creatures give glory, honor and thanks to him who sits on the throne and who lives for ever and ever, 10 the twenty-four elders fall down before him who sits on the throne and worship him who lives for ever and ever. They lay their crowns before the throne and say:

11 “You are worthy, our Lord and God,
to receive glory and honor and power,
for you created all things,
and by your will they were created
and have their being.”

In 1 Chron 24, David set up 24 head priests, descended from Aaron. This was just the random number that developed from the number of families descended from Aaron at that time. It may have been God's way of expressing a double witness to the significance of Israel's 12 tribes. Everything was confirmed, as legitimate testimony under the Law, when there was a minimum of 2 witnesses. Aaron had two surviving sons, from whom these 24 leading priests were taken.

So the 24 elders appear to serve as representatives of the priestly order of Christ, whose atonement opened the gate for our entry into Heaven. They were dressed in white to show that Christians, who have access to Heaven, are made pure in the blood of Christ. And they had gold crowns, indicating that Christians have the authority of Christ, their head, to judge the world.

The lightning and thunder indicate that the purification of the Church leads to judgment of this world. The 7 blazing lamps are representative of the 7 churches in John's time, among which the faithful live by the Spirit of God. This brings conviction and judgment to the world around them.

I would suggest that these agents, ie the 24 elders and the 7 spirits, are angels, who represent what Christ has done for and in the Church. And the same follows for the 4 living creatures. They are angels representing something with respect to Christians, whom Christ has redeemed by his sacrifice.

These 4 creatures have the face of a man, which hearkens back to the Creation, when God gave Man rulership over the earth and over its creatures. These particular creatures serve the purpose of Man, after his redemption, to bring judgment upon the earth.

This judgment has been ongoing, from the time of the Fall, and even after the redeeming work of Christ. And it will be consummated at the Return of Christ, when the world will be judged in the Battle of Armageddon, and in Eternity through Christ's final sentencing.

The 4 creatures include both a lion and a flying eagle, both signifying God's predatory judgments against sinners, whether nations or their rulers. The "flying" eagle signifies that the judgment is already in process.

The 4 creatures also include an ox, representative of the plowing up of hardened land. The hardened land indicates nations, including Israel, who have resisted the Gospel of Christ, and must be plowed up in order to fulfill God's purposes on earth.

All of these things, before God's throne, indicates what transpires from the time of Christ's death to the consummation of His purposes at the Return of Christ. Judgment is ongoing, but delayed, until final judgment falls at the Return of Christ.