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Israeli doctor says detained Palestinians are undergoing ‘routine’ amputations for handcuff injuries

More evidence that Israelis are more concerned about any leaking which shows Israel in a bad light and much less concerned about the abuse of prisoners.

A leaked IDF video showing alleged detainee abuse has Israel reeling, but not in the way you might think | Roy Schwartz

However, the criticism in the Israeli journalist’s post was not aimed directly at Tomer-Yerushalmi. His main target was Channel 12’s legal analyst, Guy Peleg, who aired the leaked footage. Just last week, it was reported that Channel 12 News had assigned a security detail to Peleg, due to concerns that there might be attempts to harm him. Not long afterwards, Amichai Eliyahu, the heritage minister, posted about Peleg on his X account: “My heart is broken … In prison, he will be safe.” Last weekend even saw fans of Peleg’s favourite football club hold a banner in the stadium, informing him he is unwelcome there.
If Peleg is harmed then the heritage minister will be guilty of incitement.
This comes as no surprise. In Israeli society, there is a prevailing notion that soldiers should be bulletproof – “even sacred”, as Haaretz journalist Tom Levinson told me. “It feels as if they should be able to do whatever they want, and there shouldn’t be any repercussions.” This applies to accusations of war crimes in the Gaza Strip as well as to actions outside the territory.
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Violent Protests Erupt Outside Turning Point USA Event at UC Berkeley

At the University of California Berkeley on Monday (Nov. 10), a bloody clash erupted as hundreds of people protested a Turning Point USA (TPUSA) event. The final stop of the “American Comeback Tour” occurred two months after TPUSA cofounder Charlie Kirk was assassinated on a Utah campus. The Berkeley stop also was the organization’s first visit to California since Kirk’s death.

Video of the melee showed masked protesters chanting and waving signs. One man wearing a “Freedom” T-shirt had blood dripping down his face. Some protesters lit firebombs, hurled glass containers, and threw rocks at police in riot gear. According to news reports, four people were arrested.

Event cohost Frank Turek, a Christian apologist who mentored Kirk, recalled telling Kirk how much he wanted to attend the Berkeley event. “It is so progressive and liberal in [its] views,” Turek said of the university, “and I wanted to provide evidence that Christianity was indeed true.”

Chaos Outside UC Berkeley’s TPUSA Event


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More ‘mostly peaceful’ protest I see.
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Young earth vs Old earth?

The universe is the heavens, isn't it.
It's not heaven where birds and airplanes traverse.
What is the heavens of heavens, or heaven of heavens mentioned in these verses? Deuteronomy 10:14; 1 Kings 8:27


Resided. The waters are no longer there since the floodgates of the heavens burst open. Genesis 7:11,
Seems like they are still there. Most translations say "windows of the heaven(s)" Malachi 3:10 KJV — Bring ye all the tithes into the storehouse, that there may be meat in mine house, and prove me now herewith, saith the LORD of hosts, if I will not open you the windows of heaven, and pour you out a blessing, that there shall not be room enough to receive it.

I would guess the water was somewhere above the Mesosphere.
It's only a guess as I don't know.
Then the waters could have been much further, and possibly were the material with which God made the stars and planets and galaxies?
Can you give me a rough idea where the sun, moon and stars traverse?
The sun and stars don't technically "traverse" with respect to earth, as far as we can tell. but they are in outer space, above earth's atmosphere.
You speak as though you believe the firmament is a solid dome, rather than a region of atmosphere.
Am I reading you correctly?
No. Nor do I believe the firmament stops at the edge of earth's atmosphere.
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MARK OF THE BEAST - REVELATION 13-14; 17; 18

You haven't answered the above issues.
John clearly said the events were starting soon, in 4 different ways.
"near", "soon", he "Shared in their tribulation" - and he wanted them to obey his message.
That's NOT possible for THEM if we narcissistically assume it's all about US!

John wrote in a genre called apocalyptic symbolism which was common to 200 BC to about 200 AD.
Have you read any of the other works of the period? I've read snatches - years ago.
Enough to be convinced by those theologians that show it's a style that comments on the period the author lives in.

It's like dressing up the day's political events in the language of comic book heroes.

It's not a linear timeline of the future, it's a waltz around certain themes.
It's not a timeline, it's a circular thematic sermon.
And sermons often encourage us to consider the promised return of the Lord!

This does so by not just theologically asserting the promise of the Lord's return in judgement and salvation - as Paul might.
It does it by picturing it. But if you look closely - we see the Lord's return in judgement at a number of different points!

EG: In the end of Chapter 6, and multiple times, from multiple different points of view, at the end.
How can it be a timetable of the future if it's got Jesus returning at the end of Chapter 6, and multiple points at the end?
That doesn't make sense.

Anyone approaching it with today's trendy interpretive goggles of "What do me, myself, and I all think this means for the next decade?" is going to end up a bit...
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Are Tattoos, Even Works Of Art Placed On Human Skin, Immoral?

Are Tattoos, Even Works Of Art Placed On Human Skin, Immoral? – Mike Pantile on Facebook

(Very short video. Less than 5 minutes.)

What do you think? Do you think tattoos need to be decommissioned? Do they have any sort of powers spiritually?
Oh, I hope not. I have several, though they all are Christian themed, if that makes a difference.
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Missouri Pastor Defends Polygamy After Taking Second Wife

Someone, somewhere, will sue a Christian cake-baker over this burgeoning atrocity and the baker will lose because it's not as strongly forbidden in Scripture (even though Christ defines marriage as one man and one woman for life pretty strictly. But we already ignore that.)
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Stop Giving Your Jewish Kids Dumb Names

In that case then, again, they're not unique. Go re-read the story of the Exodus, and tell me if you had a friend who behaved the way the Jews did, would you want him as a friend?

Setting aside the fact that Moses committed premeditated murder and fled from justice...they get freed from captivity by supernatural miracles from their God which they witness, then they see the pursuing enemy miraculously destroyed, then they complain that the free food (manna) isn't good enough (which sounds like a lot of EBT recipients in 2025 America), then when they feel Moses is taking a little too long on Sinai, they reject their savior who saved them (God) and worship a gold calf.

But I'm not picking on them. When I say they're not unique, the way they behaved could have been the same if they were any other people, like you or me.
Gentiles behaved just as badly or worse. Everyone behaved badly from Adam forward and there were consequences. Hence the need for a New Covenant...
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Do any of you follow MAGA theology?

> mideast peace deal
> in the middle of a plague (covid)
> being called the messiah
> doesn't care about the desire of women (I remember twenty years ago being sheltered and thinking it meant an 18+ guy, not the being friends with Epstein and Ehud Barak)
> family Jesuit ties because of course
> CONSTANTLY blasphemously compared to Jesus Christ on s level even Obama wasn't
> art of the deal / "makes craft prosper in his hand"

No I don't follow "Krav Maga."

I honestly think he's the guy in Revelation. I was actually working on collecting the data on it- which was very overwhelming and constituted multiple years of research- before I realized the talmud teaches the age of consent should be three and (except for the kids) I don't care if they get torched. ****

If I were in Israel, I'd get out.

****I don't claim to be a good person.
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What do you do when your pastor embraces gender ideology?

This "He went on to repeat the familiar arguments: that the Bible doesn’t condemn loving same-sex relationships, that the word “homosexual” wasn’t in the text until modern translations, and that the biblical prohibitions were only about exploitation." does not amount to a justification for following "transgender ideology". Indeed, if exploitation is condemned in the Bible, perhaps people should be taking care not to support the exploitation of children, a minority of people who are truly gender ambiguous, those who might be traumatised and vulnerable to being misled, anyone who requires a traditional gender specific space from public bathrooms to sport, and the moral principles of multiple long established religious philosophies, all just to avoid bothering a few psychologists who are stronger on belief and opinion than any actual knowledge, and some folk in the business of selling drugs, gadgets and surgery who do not care if their products cause irreversible harm?
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Multi's Thoughts and More

So a few months ago, Cakewalk by BandLab was replaced by Cakewalk Sonar. At first I had some issues with Sonar: I could only open one song at a time, my music would briefly go silent while playing, then the Cakewalk synth I use disappeared and there was no sound. With some help from the Cakewalk forum, I managed to fix all these issues, so now I can make music again when I get the inspiration! It turns out that Cakewalk synth has been discontinued, but you can still use it if you keep an older version installed along with Sonar.

The only issue I have with Sonar now is the fact that almost every time I open it, I have to wait ten seconds for a message trying to get me to buy the paid version to go away. That's annoying, but at least I fixed the other problems I was having. I checked out some other free music software, but all of them were either not as good or too complicated.
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"But Trump said that prices are falling and incomes are rising."

Wendy's to close hundreds of U.S. stores as low-income consumers cut back


November 11, 2025 / 10:17 AM EST / CBS/AP

Wendy's plans to close hundreds of U.S. restaurants in the coming months as revenue and profits decline, with the company citing cutbacks by lower-income consumers that it expects will persist through year's end.

On a Friday investor call, Ken Cook, Wendy's interim CEO, didn't disclose the exact number or locations of restaurants that it plans to shutter. But he said the Dublin, Ohio-based company is likely to close in the "mid-single digit percentage" of its 6,011 U.S locations, or roughly 300 store closures if it shuts 5% of its existing restaurants.

Wendy's said the closures will start in the fourth quarter this year. Closing underperforming locations will improve traffic and profitability at its remaining U.S. restaurants, Cook added.

Fast-food chains have been struggling to lift sales as lower-income consumers feel increasingly squeezed by rising food costs. Both Wendy's and McDonald's have introduced value meals to entice diners, but Cook said he doesn't expect the financial strain on these households to ease soon.

"We do see more pressure on the lower-income consumer," he said Friday. "We continued to see that in [the third quarter] and we expect that to continue into the fourth."

Steve Bannon Faces Reality

"As God is my witness, if we lose the midterms and we lose 2028, some in this room are going to prison, myself included. They're not going to stop."


The last time, he defrauded Trump's followers, but Trump pardoned him. No pardons this time. And now he's facing the reality.

Morality without Absolute Morality

I don't know where humans come from? Seriously man, this is basic knowledge. All humans grow from a single cell to adulthood. (Or did you spontaneously pop into existence?)
Not ultimately, no.
Then what is this "nature" you speak of?
God's nature, as in His essence
What good is the "truth" of a non-existence? You bet I am confused. You speak in gibberish.
Existence is a category for objects, not truths. Truths either obtain or they don't, but there are numerous ways for a truth to obtain.
It's not a sensible position. You are just making assertions about the god you believe in somehow granting properties to "truths" by merely existing.
what you consider sensible is of no interest to me.
And so assertion is as good an argument as any.
Stuff that exists and demonstrable. That is my basis.
"Demonstrable"? By what means? And to whom? We're quickly treading towards the diallelus.
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U.S. bishops elect Archbishop Paul S. Coakley as USCCB president

Archbishop Paul Coakley of Oklahoma City was elected to serve as the next president of the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops (USCCB) in a secret ballot on Nov. 11.

Bishops chose Bishop Daniel Flores of Brownsville, Texas, to serve as vice president. Flores, who serves in the southernmost diocese in Texas, finished second in balloting for president. Coakley subsequently won a runoff.

Coakley, who was previously secretary of the USCCB, will serve a three-year term as president, succeeding the former president, Archbishop Timothy Broglio. The bishops held the election at the Fall Plenary Assembly in Baltimore.

He has a history of promoting a culture of life, opposing gender ideology, and supporting migrants.

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Jesus & Social Justice

I detest the term because it's hypocritical.

The issue of "the oppressed" that most matters to me is child abuse: it's affected people I know personally, and they're NEVER the same after it. Several transitioned or committed suicide. The best outcome has been broken relationships and lifelong depression. Most substance-abuse. Some have ODed.

Sjws want perverts teaching in public schools. The Klan hanged them. I don't leftists can recover from actual hate-groups caring more about the marginalized than they do.
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Chicago street gang order targets immigration agents already facing gunfire, attacks: report

U.S. Customs and Border Protection has reportedly warned that Latin Kings street gang leaders issued a “shoot on sight” order targeting agents involved in immigration enforcement operations after officers faced gunfire and had bricks thrown at them in a Chicago neighborhood.

Officers and agents are advised “to maintain heightened situational awareness and exercise extreme caution when conducting enforcement activities,” according to an internal memo cited by NewsNation on Monday.

Last month, the DHS announced the arrest of Juan Espinoza Martinez, a criminal illegal alien and Latin Kings gang member accused of placing a bounty on the Commander at Large of the U.S. Border Patrol, Chief Gregory Bovino.

The agency says it obtained “credible intelligence” that Mexican criminal networks are working with Chicago street gangs and groups like Antifa “to monitor, harass, and assassinate federal agents.”

A screenshot shared by the DHS of a Snapchat conversation that HSI Chicago received showed a user named “Juan” offering $2,000 for information, “cuando lo agarren,” which translates to “when they catch him.” The message, which Martinez allegedly sent, also included a photo of Bovino.

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BUSTED - 12 False theories refuted:

But the scriptures were fulfilled nevertheless.
Not yet.
Isaiah 23:1-18 is instructive;
When Alexander the Great conquered ancient Tyre, he built a causeway out to the city. The people who were Israelites, mostly from the tribe of Asher, could see their demise was imminent, so they took to their ships and sailed away to settle in a far off land. Exactly as Isaiah 23:7b says.

In due course of time, they became great again. Their sea fortress; London, became the marketplace for the nations and they have founded colonies in distant places.

Now, be dismayed, for you have lost your military power and your Empire!
World Wars 1 and 2 bled the British Empire dry.

After the Lord has cleared and cleansed the Holy Land, they will support the new nation of Beulah, all the Lord’s faithful Christian peoples, living in all of the holy Land. Isaiah 62:1-5
Tribute will be brought to them from America and Britain. Isaiah 18:7

The total and complete clearing and cleansing of ALL the Holy Land, as many Prophesies say; Zephaniah 1:14-18, Hosea 4:3, Deuteronomy 32:34-43,
is yet to happen. Could be very soon!
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Does the Hebrew grammar of Daniel 9:24–27 support Christian Widener’s “double seventy-weeks” interpretation?

I will be commenting on the verses soon.
But I have made.some discoverys that need a look at. But it's my belief that the 31/2. Mention in revelation is.always speaking of the last 3 1/2 yrs
Do you mean the "time, times, half time" phrase ?

He is a table I made of all 15 time of the end time frames given in the bible, and how they fit within the 7 years. Note that the time, times, half time - fits as the second half of the 7 years.

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