Hows everyone doing mentally?
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why is that?
I have a lot going on right now, and I am feeling just a little drained, that's all.
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why is that?
The symbolism carried by the 24 elders may symbolize something that they're doing on behalf of men, or they may be keys to identifying who they are. I happen to believe they are angels because I don't believe this heavenly scene conveys the presence of men, but rather, of angels in the millions, and probably many more.Randy, the 24 elders were wearing crowns of gold - Revelation 4:4.
So I don't think they are angels, but significant figures in the bible who loved and worshiped God. We are not told each one's specific personal identity.
In Revelation 5:10, the 24 elders said...
10 And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.
So, I don't think the 24 elders are angels.
Well, not according to me but I believe your theology maintains that a person is regenerated first? And then believes, repents, etc. as a result?What are you talking about? Who says "the means is strictly His regenerating them"?
Why? Methinks you're the one being obstinate here. Enabling someoone to do something simply doesn't mean they'll do it! So of course the Father can enable without succeeding. I've worked with drug addicts and they can be given all the reason and means to change, but that doesn't mean they will. They have to want it, as we must with God once we see the treasure He offers, and then continue wanting it, continuing to value that treasure, to value Him and our relationship with Him.Are you intentionally being obstinate? You're not even listening to what it is I'm saying. Look at the verse:
"No one can come to me..."
That is a statement of inability, not unwillingness. How does one obtain the ability to come to Christ? The verse continues:
"...unless the Father... draws him."
So who is able to come to Christ? Those drawn, and only those drawn. If you are not drawn, you cannot come. You said, "He gives enough grace for them to come." Yes, that's called drawing:
"No one can come to me... unless the Father draws him."
If not A, then not B. If not drawn, then not able. The drawing is the grace of God that enables sinners to come to Him. So, is it possible for someone to come to Christ if the Father does not succeed in that enabling activity?
The group He's speaking of: those who came, and in light of the fuller counsel of Scripture, remained and persevered to the end in doing good, being holy, producing good fruit etc, He will raise up.What does the rest of the verse say?
But it's a case of a certain possible meaning from the two time periods I referred to, that sandwich the period in question, with both at least offering or establishing a reasonable pattern, while you've maintained that the word must adhere to a certain meaning only, without offering anything other than opinion as far as I know. Anyway, from my understanding, being no expert in either Greek or Plato, he said this in line 238 of Phaedrus as one instance of his use of the word:I'm asking out of curiosity; the point isn't a relevant one. Plato is Classical, Modern is Modern. Neither is Koine. The language has changed significantly between those three periods. Words in Classical Greek frequently carry specialized meanings limited to philosophical contexts, and Modern Greek is even further removed, with vast lexical and semantic drift. Appealing to Modern Greek usage is like using Modern English to define the meaning of words in Shakespearean English. It's anachronistic.
Ok, except that I don't see how God, making it possible to come without making it inescapable, such that there's no excuse for a person to fail to come other than their own prideful willfull stubborness, and as if justice, itself, demands that they do come, that they accept the light after all He's shown and done for them, should be a problem with all of Scripture in general or specifically here as the word is used in the sense of "appeal", "coax", "persuade". Maybe you can point me to your post where you explained it and I'll reconsider.And in all of this you still fail to recognize that this whole line of argument -- trying to attach a softer meaning to ἑλκύω -- is undermining your position, not helping it.
And someone quoted John 3:15. BUT in John 1:1 a man of the PHARISEES , a ruler of. the Jews. SHOW that your PREMISEThis post asks “So how do you know you are saved??”
John 3:15 that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have eternal life. 16 For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. NKJV
I know that I am saved because I believe God sent His Son to save me if I believe in Him. To dispute that circumcision is needed to be saved. I am not circumcised as my parents could not afford to pay the price the hospital required to circumcise baby boys in 1942.
we are saved by Jesus when we make that confession.
No, we are baptized as an act of obedience.
No, but we must be born from above to see the kingdom of God.
1 John 5:8 And there are three that bear witness on earth: the Spirit, the water, and the blood; and these three agree as one. NKJV
The Holy Spirit testifies that we are in sin because we do not believe in Jesus and that He was righteous because the Father raised Him from the dead. The water testifies that Jesus was born by water, human birth thru a virgin, the blood testifies that He died on the cross for our sins. Thru their witness we believe in Jesus' and are saved by Him.
Matthew 25:31 "When the Son of Man comes in His glory, and all the holy angels with Him, then He will sit on the throne of His glory. 32 All the nations will be gathered before Him, and He will separate them one from another, as a shepherd divides his sheep from the goats. 33 And He will set the sheep on His right hand, but the goats on the left. …...............................................................................
37 "Then the righteous will answer Him, saying, 'Lord, when did we see You hungry and feed You, or thirsty and give You drink? 38 When did we see You a stranger and take You in, or naked and clothe You? 39 Or when did we see You sick, or in prison, and come to You?' 40 And the King will answer and say to them, 'Assuredly, I say to you, inasmuch as you did it to one of the least of these My brethren, you did it to Me.' NKJV
The above judgment is when those who give a drink of water to the brethren of Jesus get rewarded. The Matthew 25 judgment is the same as the judgment in Revelation 20:11-15. In revelation 20:15 those in the book of life (not the Lamb's book of life) enter into eternal life on the new earth, as flesh and blood and not spiritual beings, and cannot enter heaven. They are not begotten of God.
No. God did create everyone, but not everyone becomes begotten of God.
You say we are all born of God, you are wrong. Our progression to being begotten of God follows Jesus' progression. In Matthew 1:20 Jesus was conceived by the Holy Spirit and was called the Son of God.
John 14:31 But that the world may know that I love the Father, and as the Father gave Me commandment, so I do. Arise, let us go from here. NKJV
After Jesus obeyed the Father to His death.
Acts 13:33 God has fulfilled this for us their children, in that He has raised up Jesus. As it is also written in the second Psalm: 'You are My Son, Today I have begotten You.' NKJV
He was called begotten by God after He was crucified.
John 3:3 Jesus answered and said to him, "Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God." NKJV
We are born from above when we believe in Jesus.
John 1:12 But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, to those who believe in His name: 13 who were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God. NKJV
We are given the right to become a child of God.
Romans 8:13 For if you live according to the flesh you will die; but if by the Spirit you put to death the deeds of the body, you will live. 14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, these are sons of God. NKJV
Once we prove we hear and follow the voice of Jesus.
John 10:4And when he brings out his own sheep, he goes before them; and the sheep follow him, for they know his voice. NKJV
We prove that we are one of His sheep and will follow His voice to our death.
1 John 5:1 Whoever believes that Jesus is the Christ is born of God, and everyone who loves Him (John 14:21 and verse 2b below only those who keep His commandments, love Jesus) who begot (Jesus begot) also loves him who is begotten of Him (His sheep are begotten of Him). 2 By this we know that we love the children of God, (b) when we love God and keep His commandments. 3 For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments. And His commandments are not burdensome. (His commandments are given in 1John 3: 22-24) 4 For whatever is born of God overcomes the world. And this is the victory that has overcome the world — our faith. 5 Who is he who overcomes the world, but he who believes that Jesus is the Son of God? NKJV
God knows His sheep will follow the voice of Jesus to their physical death by staying in the Spirit. They will put to death the sins of the flesh and are begotten of God because they died a physical death of their flesh in Jesus.
Hmmm...., the Catholic Church, Orthodox Church, and all the other Eastern Churches used the book of Maccabees. It was part of the Christian scriptures until Luther decided to use the Hebrew canon instead. We do know Jesus and the apostles were familiar with the Septuagint.1. The book of 2 Mac is not in the pre-NT scriptures of the Jews or the NT scriptures of the Christians
2. Even 2 Mac 12 flatly denies any benefit at all being realized by the dead, apart from the resurrection.
3. The whole point of the popular purgatory doctrine is the immense benefit realized by the dead BEFORE the resurrection if an indulgence or sacrifice is somehow offered on their behalf
Agreed!I don't see the need.
What is the name of the country having this flag ?Lets not hear any more opinions based on false teachings.
Address the plain Words of Jeremiah 6, - Judah will be punished and their houses given to other people.
Are you talking about Margery telling the truth. That Republicans aren't doing their job. Why isn't the Republicans outraged over that? Yes she has weird views.Be careful, you’re making fun of the new darling of the left since her love fest on The View
Sure there is but they must repent just like the rest of us.My Presbyterian pastor was a prison chaplain for a while. He met some incarcerated conmen when he was there.
He commented "I wonder if there is salvation for con men! I really do!"
He added "They told so many lies that I wondered if they knew what the truth was themselves after a while".
They could be very convincing. He said they could sit on the other side of his desk and just about sell him the shoes off his own feet.
So "Is there salvation for conmen?"
Trump robs people, and there's no proof. That he has stopped. He was never punished for it. Trump is responsible for every violent act that happened on January 6th. Who knows if Trump is stealing from our Social security. I'm not saying whether I agree with a murderer, being in politics. I did look up her name. And she turned her life around. But Trump hasn't. I don't think Trump will ever repent.Wow talk about a straw man. I’ve heard many liberals here whine their heads off because of Trump’s white collar non violent convictions but a violent murderer is ok. Secondly your mischaracterization of Christians is not appreciated nor welcomed.