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How people choose a church

Why mention priesthood? Paul and Timothy were not priests, except in the sense that Peter says all Christians are priests:

“But you [are] a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, His own special people, that you may proclaim the praises of Him who called you out of darkness into His marvelous light;” (1Pe 2:9 NKJV)

1 Timothy 4:14 mentions the spiritual gift that was in Timothy, but not mention of him being a priest.
I'm confused, David.
Were persons not to receive the gift of holy spirit through the laying of hands, unlike when it was poured out by Jesus on the day of Pentecost of 33 C.E?
Priesthood and apostleship are not the same as receiving of holy spirit. Is that not so?

Perhaps there is some confusion, or misunderstanding on what the laying of the hands on individuals involves.
It requires reading just a few passages of scripture - Acts 6:5, 6; Acts 8:14-19; Acts 9:17; Acts 13:2, 3; Acts 19:1-7, to see that the laying of hands had a variety of purposes, but none of which involved apostleship.

Regarding the priesthood, all spirit born, or spirit anointed individuals serve as priests.... not on earth, but in heaven, with Jesus the high priest. 1 Peter 2:4-10; Revelation 5:10; Revelation 20:6
Again, we see that Jesus is first and foremost, both apostle, and priest.
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There’s a Giant Flaw in Human History

How many of the 20 vases should they give up. A rare opportunity to measure precision vases and you want to force the testers to lose precisous opportunity in measuring precise vases and replace them with crooked ones they already know are crooked and won't learn anything.
I'm not going to design their studies for them as I don't have the relevant information to do so, but the vase phrenologists are *not* designing proper studies. That you don't like that assessment is too bad, but that is your problem, not mine.
Thats because your hyper skeptical on stuff like this which is more about a belief than actual objective data.

Its widely acknowledged these precision vases occupy a seperate class or category if you like from other vases. Whether thats simple their looks to the naked eye, the many tests done, or the many references to these vases as being special and the peak of Egyptian vase making.
The plots from the products of the vase-nuts make it unclear that these categories exist. This has been pointed out in posts to you for weeks. This is the whole problem with vase phrenology -- it is not rigorous. It is presented with the veneer of science, but it is just the Potemkin-village version. The sensitivity of your meter does not make ghost hunting into science.
Do you think there was more than one method from making vases. Do you think at least some vases have been lathed and some not. Do you see any difference in the signations on the vases I linked in alabasta to the hard stone vases that may indicate method..
The alabaster vases are Old Kingdom and are not relevant to the pre-dynastic vase claims.
And those pointing out the non rigorous work. Where is their tests and analysis and publication of their findings. Are you asking me to believe sources that have no formal work to back their claims. That would be bad epistemically.

I know one thing. Any reasonable and fair source would not be deriding those they are trying to prove wrong. Or be assuming they are wrong before any work has been to to support such. Just on that basis they are disqualified. The testers have conducted themselves much better.

Much of the objections are blown out of proportion. We are talking microns deviations in circularity and suddenly its not lathed. Thats why I cut to the chase and asked what is the threshold for lathed. Is there not good and bad lathing. How does a couple of microns suddenly make it not lathed.

I also pointed out that the Petrie museum vases had better circularity than an actual CNC replica vase that we definitely know was lathed. How is that not support for lathing.
You are under the mistaken impression that those hearing an iffy claim must disprove it rigorously. The burden of proof falls on those making it and you gang of misfit pseudoscience sources make very poor arguments. These unreliable narrators are the sources you use. There is little point in discussing their "results" until we talk about their "problems". Please read and reply to post #1004.

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Matthew Dowd Fired from MSNBC For Vile Comments Blaming Charlie Kirk For Assassination

Point of clarification - Dowd (the MSNBC commentator) is not one of the people who are alleging wrongful termination. MSNBC is well within its rights, as a private company, to fire him for his speech.
Shame on me for not checking again. Thanks for the correction.
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Is Romans 3:25 in the Greek in ANY manuscript version the same? (Some who knows greek - help)

Thanks, that's not clear though - and seems to indicate the opposite of what I've found. KJV modifies nothing - unless I'm confused on your meaning of "modify" - it is a literal translation from greek - hence - no modification. Is this right?
"Modify" is just the grammatical way of saying that the question is what the prepositional phase "by/in His blood" goes with.

- Some think it goes with the verb "put forth", Usually this takes blood as signifying the death, and may take hilistarion as mercy seat, or a place of reconciliation.

- Some think with the noun propitiation/sacrifice, signifying it is a sacrice of propitiation by blood.

- Some think with faith, by faith in His blood.
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Morality without Absolute Morality

You claim it's just a subjective preference, but then you act as if it is an objective issue. You aren't consistent in maintaining that it's just your subjective preference, because you act as if it is well and truly wrong not just distasteful to you.
I act on it because it is distasteful to me.
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Uruguay gets 99% of their NRG...

This got me wondering if there are other nations with 100% or close to for renewable energy. There are a several as the following link demonstrates.

The first part of the article gives total renewable power, the second part is the national percentage provided by renewable sources.


China generates the greatest total followed by the USA, 2894 TWh and 965 TWh respectively. Compare this to Uruguay's total generation of 12 TWh.

But they drop to 31% and 22% respectively as a percentage of their total energy requirements, placed 101 and 119 in global ranking..

Most of the nations which have 100% renewable energy or near to it seem to have significant water reserves for hydroelectric generation.

My own country Australia is water poor, with our national average about 420mm per year, and that's unevenly spread. Tully in North Queensland averages over 4 metres of rain a year, whereas Alice Springs gets around 290mm (a bit less than a foot). We're the second driest continent after Antarctica, with about 70% considered arid or semi-arid, and 18% desert.

The smallest island state Tasmania generates all its power from hydroelectricity, but overall only 6% of the national consumption is hydroelectric.

Solar provides 16% and wind 12%. They'll both go up but it will take time. We've got the disadvantage of a big country with long power lines, and not a big population to pay for it.

Uruguay has a small population but they are also a small country, only about 2.6 times the size of our smallest state so they have some advantages.
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PTSD, TBI, Anxiety/Depression, Alcohol Abuse...

Prolonged Exposure started to work but then it became more harmful than good. It made every emotion associated with my trauma inaccessible except for the really intense ones (I'm guessing it was just too much to bury). Not only do I have multiple traumas, but each with a unique dynamic, and very different from each other. I've done (takes a deep breath in): prolonged exposure, CPT, CBT, EMDR, talk therapy, equine therapy, and Acceptance and Commitment Therapy, as well as substance treatment. Psychedelic treatment is likely not an option due to the use of psychedelics during my worst trauma (witnessing a murder). Somatic Experiencing is literally my last option. I know nothing about it except what I've read online.
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What is currently on your mind?

I can see how it would feel like that in America. I think, from Australia, it's easier to have a little more hope.
Hope is nice, but depends on what our hope is based. This week I saw evidence of an expression of bias that wouldn't be allowed in most businesses and government organizations because it makes it appear that this view or that view is officially endorsed. For that reason you don't put political stickers on company vehicles, and you sure don't on a government vehicle.

The problem comes from what's displayed beneath our avatars. We can alter it or let the CF software generate it, and in some cases it displays an administrative tie to DF. The latter is like wearing a company uniform. Those of us who wear/have worn uniforms know that what we say and do while in uniform can be seen as official positions of the company or organization.The opinions we have while out of uniform don't necessarily have that same overtone and we are more free to express ourselves.

Just pointing that out is likely to get me in trouble here. At the moment can't say that I care all that much. CF does lean in a particular direction, some political, some moral. As Overton windows go, the shrubbery seems to have grown over part of it.

The question is whether I want to be a part of that. I know someone who frequents an online comic / blog and then reports on what he finds objectionable there. My take is why bother? If you know they are going to take such and such positions on things and denigrate yours, what's the point? Just get up and go. Fretting over it isn't worth it.
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Prayers for the Departed

V Day within the Octave of All Saints

Editor’s note: reminder that anyone who devoutly visits a cemetery during the Octave (between November 1st and 8th), praying — even mentally — for the departed, may obtain one plenary indulgence per day, applicable only to the souls in Purgatory, under the usual conditions.

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God's Olive tree awaits all nations to rejoin and meet his Son

Thank you for your thoughts, it was a sonnet a call back to God's people to. I got that line about the Gentile's from Romans 11. I will paste more of it here, what capacity do you think it is written as the scripture is about calling people back to God's Olive tree. I have liked that one for decades. I have changed it though and thank you for pointing it out.

Romans 11- which be the natural branches, be grafted into their own olive tree? For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.
Great; Romans 11 (and the rest of Romans also actually) only makes sense if we understand 'Israel' and 'Jews' to actually refer to the physical Israel and the Jews living there or abroad. Spiritualising the term 'Israel' and basically redefining as referring to the whole church causes nonsensical readings in both NT and TNK/OT. But has happened since at least the 4th century AD in the history of the Church - only in the last 100 years or so do we see a change in that perspective.

Of course I'm aware there are multiple ways of 'reading'/interpreting Romans 11, but for me the most natural one is that Gentile believers are grafted into the tree of God's people - but Israel as a nation/people still do exist (Paul says 'theirs are the covenants' ..) - they're temporarily blinded as Paul says; but eventually all of Israel will come to the truth about their Messiah. Israel is not some kind of failed and abandoned experiment by God. The TNK/OT successively speaks of a remnant .. God's plan continues. The name of Yeshua as God's Messiah is spread online throughout Israel these days - that's a massive development.

Modern and orthodox Judaism now is quite different from Judaism as it existed in the days of Yeshua on earth. Talmud and many, many traditions have emerged later. I have learned a lot from looking at the Bible and my faith from a Jewish perspective - basically trying to understand the Gospel, Yeshua's words and Paul through the lens of those 1st century Jewish believers. At the same time Judaism in the 21st century reminds me also of the Roman Catholic or Orthodox churches - lots of traditions where the tradition itself seems to have become a purpose in itself.

Man-made tradition can be useful (~ best practices solidified in time) but should not be a law in itself.

My journey of discovery is still ongoing - yet my faith/leaning on God is not dependent on knowing it all with a precision of three decimals digits.

Be blessed !
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Embryo Jewelry? Catholics React to Frozen Children Encased in Necklaces and Rings

I know of a professor who's SIL had her brother's ashes in a necklace, IIRC.

It's not my personal preference. Maybe it helped her grieve?
Well,

I'm willing to roll with it, it just seems odd.

Sort of like when (a thousand years ago) Billy Bob Thornton and Angelia Jolie had small vials of each other blood on necklaces.

Romantic? Well, I can see it.

But odd?

Definitely.

(Upon reflection - that whole marriage was a little off)
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The Thing Most Sabbath Keepers Do not Talk About.

No it is what is written. 3 questions were asked in verse 3, when shall these things be in regard to the destruction of the Temple. When shall be the sign of Jesus' coming and when shall be the end of the world. What follows is an answer to all three. The audience is any and all throughout the ages until He comes in His glory. How do we know?

Because Grammatically speaking the context is continuous from verse 1 to at least 31 when it speaks of Christ coming with His angels to gather the elect at the end of this world.

How do we know? By His use of words like and, but, then, when wherefore, and so forth. These words connect what is about to be said to what is already said. And they are in the Greek also. So that means up to Christ's coming in the clouds of glory with His angels he expects His followers to still be keeping the Sabbath.


Matt 24:1 And Jesus went out, and departed from the temple: and his disciples came to [him] for to shew him the buildings of the temple.
Matt 24:2 And Jesus said unto them, See ye not all these things? verily I say unto you, There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.
Matt 24:3 And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what [shall be] the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?
Matt 24:4 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.
Matt 24:5 For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.
Matt 24:6 And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all [these things] must come to pass, but the end is not yet.
Matt 24:7 For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places.
Matt 24:8 All these [are] the beginning of sorrows.
Matt 24:9 Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake.
Matt 24:10 And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another.
Matt 24:11 And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.
Matt 24:12 And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold.
Matt 24:13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.
Matt 24:14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.
Matt 24:15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand)
Matt 24:16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:
Matt 24:17 Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house:
Matt 24:18 Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes.
Matt 24:19 And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!
Matt 24:20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:
Matt 24:21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
Matt 24:22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.
Matt 24:23 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here [is] Christ, or there; believe [it] not.
Matt 24:24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if [it were] possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
Matt 24:25 Behold, I have told you before.
Matt 24:26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, [he is] in the secret chambers; believe [it] not.
Matt 24:27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
Matt 24:28 For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together.
Matt 24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
Matt 24:30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
Matt 24:31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
Yes, Mathew 24 is the only place these predictions are in chronological order. Dan/Rev etc are formatted in repeat and enlarge.

So that means up to Christ's coming in the clouds of glory with His angels he expects His followers to still be keeping the Sabbath.

Yes and will continue on...


Isa 66:22 “For as the new heavens and the new earth
Which I will make shall remain before Me,” says the Lord,

“So shall your descendants and your name remain.
23 And it shall come to pass
That from one New Moon to another,
And from one Sabbath to another,
All flesh shall come to worship before Me,” says the Lord.


I can't imagine what it will be like to worship before Christ on the Sabbath. He tells us people will still do things during the week Isa 65:21 They shall build houses and inhabit them; They shall plant vineyards and eat their fruit.

The Sabbath continues for worship but now instead of in spirit, everyone will come before Him.
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Weekly homilies

Homily Friday, November 7 2025

31st OT



Rm 15:14-21

"I have reason to boast in what pertains to God."



It's wonderful. The service God gives us allows us to observe Him serving others.



Lk 16:1-8

Even if we are not perfect, let us allow the blessing of Love to flow into each heart: joy and peace.



We can read today's Gospel. NAB-RE



Biblical texts: NAB-RE

Normand Thomas.

Normand Thomas.
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WHY LAW OF MOSES. AND THE NEW COVENANT IS NOT TODAY V?

And since you did quote from the book of Hebrew. , and who was the Book of Hebrews WRITTEN. to TOO. ??

WAS it written to the BODY of CHRIST ??

Or was it written to HEBREWS

DAN P
All the promises of God were written in the book of Moses to the children of Israel, God fulfilled those promises to the world, so all the world requires those books for their fulfilment, including the book to the Hebrews.
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