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The Church Under Fire Pt 2

On May 26, 2023, the Lord led me to write a short (29 page) book on the subject of church abuse. Yesterday I shared the introduction into the book’s content, and in the video portion of that I shared some of my background. And I will tell you here that I am almost 76 years of age, a teacher of the Scriptures for over 50 years, and called of God 21 years ago to write down what he is teaching me each day from his word and to post these writings on the internet, and that is what I have been doing the past 21 years.

In summary, what is being called “church” today is largely not the universal body of believers in Jesus Christ, but it is a conglomerate of institutions of human making which are incorporated (merged, joined, partnered) with the state (the government) and with the world. They are businesses of human origin which are being led by marketing goals and plans for how to “grow your churches,” i.e. businesses. And so they have altered the gospel and compromised with the world in order to attract the world to their gatherings.

The Church Under Fire

Chapter Two

Be Aware

May 26, 2023

“When it was day, the Jews made a plot and bound themselves by an oath neither to eat nor drink till they had killed Paul. There were more than forty who made this conspiracy. They went to the chief priests and elders and said, ‘We have strictly bound ourselves by an oath to taste no food till we have killed Paul. Now therefore you, along with the council, give notice to the tribune to bring him down to you, as though you were going to determine his case more exactly. And we are ready to kill him before he comes near.’
Now the son of Paul's sister heard of their ambush, so he went and entered the barracks and told Paul. Paul called one of the centurions and said, ‘Take this young man to the tribune, for he has something to tell him.’ So he took him and brought him to the tribune and said, ‘Paul the prisoner called me and asked me to bring this young man to you, as he has something to say to you.’
The tribune took him by the hand, and going aside asked him privately, ‘What is it that you have to tell me?’ And he said, ‘The Jews have agreed to ask you to bring Paul down to the council tomorrow, as though they were going to inquire somewhat more closely about him. But do not be persuaded by them, for more than forty of their men are lying in ambush for him, who have bound themselves by an oath neither to eat nor drink till they have killed him. And now they are ready, waiting for your consent.’” (Acts 23:12-21 ESV)

Now I am going to relate this story to our lives and world and church today. For what was going on here was deceptive. It was trickery. It was a trap. For they wanted to kill Paul in order to shut him up, and possibly also in hopes that the movement he was leading would then disperse. It is kind of like what they did with Jesus, hoping that by killing him it would silence not only his voice, but that his followers would disperse and that they would not have to deal with them anymore.

But I want you to be aware that this kind of trickery is going on within the gatherings of the institutional market-driven churches of today, and it is being done by some pastors and other church leaders as a method of controlling people and situations to go the way they want them to go. And even many pastors are being trained in deception and trickery as a way to make things happen the way that suits their marketing goals and purposes.

And my husband and I were church planters twice, so we went through some of this training. And at one of our training sessions we were taught that we are to use (take advantage of) “needy people” in order to get our church plants up and running. But once our church plants were well on their way, we were instructed to get rid of the needy people, for they would weigh us down. Wow! The people in our tiny congregation were needy people. For we were ministering to the hurting, and the rejected, and the neglected.

Also my husband and I had a ministry to college students and to college-age adults out of our home for 7.5 years, from early 1999 to mid-2006. And there were times when we tried to connect this ministry to a local institutional church, because we thought that was the right thing to do. And so from 2002-2003 we partnered with a local IC (institutional church). We provided the college ministry for their congregation, and they provided us with a facility where we could meet. And at first it went well.

But Then…

I was doing some volunteer work at the church office one day when the pastor called me into his office to talk. He asked me, “Would you say that your praise band would draw in large crowds of people from the world?” I knew exactly where he was going with this, and I also knew that this was contrary to our partnership agreement. For we told him our goal in ministry, at that time, was to provide a place for young people where they could feel included, and where they could feel valued and needed and wanted.

What he said he wanted to do was to replace our band with another band, and he wanted me to talk about that with our ministry team. So, I did. And we decided to all meet with him, and we did. And when we met with him, I asked him to tell the group what he told me. But all he would say was, “I would never do that.” So I asked him, if he would never do that, then why did he ask me to ask our ministry team about doing that. But his answer remained, “I would never do that.”

So, what he was doing was a non-denial denial. He neither admitted to saying it nor did he deny saying it. He just said he would never do that. So, afterwards he and I talked more, but he still would not answer my question as to why he said what he did if he never intended to do that. And then their “Session” (of the Presbyterian Church) called me to a meeting. But they made it a prerequisite that I must admit I lied about the pastor before I could come to their meeting. But I didn’t lie. I am not the one who was being deceptive. And I had been totally submissive.

So I asked the Session if they would remove that requirement and they refused. So, I could not attend their meeting, because I would not lie. And so they put me on church discipline, which is totally against the Scriptures and the whole purpose for church discipline. But what they did, and a lawyer was one of the ones involved in this, would be like if someone accused you of a crime, but before they would give you a fair trial to determine guilt or innocence, you would be required to admit guilt. If you could (or would) not admit guilt, then to jail you went, no trial at all.

Do you see how absolutely evil what they did was? That lawyer knew better than that, and so did that pastor. I think the Session did not really know what was going on, in my opinion, but they were just acting on the word of the pastor and of the lawyer. But they had to know that what they were doing was wrong. For you don’t make someone admit guilt before you even give them a chance to be heard. That is criminal! But so many of these ICs are being taught to use deception and trickery in order to get people to do what they want them to do, and/or in order to get rid of the undesirables.

Bottom line, we pulled our ministry out of that IC, and we took it back to our home, which is where I believe the Lord wanted it to be anyway. And the reason the Lord is having me share this with you is so you will be aware of the kinds of trickery and deception and manipulations which are going on in many of these ICs which are market-driven and which are trying to draw in large crowds of people from the world. Since I was not on board with what they were up to, they found a way to silence me. But they lost access to our ministry to college students as a result. So, keep your eyes and ears open.

P.S. January 29, 2025: This (above) took place 22 years ago. Recently I had the occasion to ask this same pastor if I came to his church if he would welcome me. At first he "beat around the bush," so I asked him again, and there was no response. So, the answer to me was "No!" I would not be welcome if I came to his church.

Link to the whole book:

The Church Under Fire Book (edited).pdf

Video Recording of the Above:

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The Church Under Fire Pt 2
An Original Work / November 4, 2025
Christ’s Free Servant, Sue J Love
I have not watched the video yet but I look forward to it. Sorry to hear of all your tough experiences but thank you for sharing them and your thoughts on how churches should be more biblical. The warnings that scared me concerning the church are from I Samuel, where the sins of Eli's sons had God replacing the priests with ones that were of his heart and mind. The sins of those sons who were priests basically were overcharging for their duties, a lack of discipline in children and sexual immorality. I got that on my heart right when covid came out but there has been quite a number of high profile departures in the ministry. I don't think the money issues of churches have yet to be addressed but I think that is soon to come.
I never thought about churches attempting to use a process similar to gentrification to allegedly step up the "quality" of people in their congregations. Such dealings clearly are contrary to scripture. I am glad you were able to overcome and share that part of your story too. God bless all your writing and other ministry pursuits.
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Ellen White clearly taught Jesus is the great I AM.

Christ constantly rebuked, Satan, his minions and those who helped the devil...

Mark 8:33
But when he had turned about and looked on his disciples, he rebuked Peter, saying, Get thee behind me, Satan: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but the things that be of men.

Mark 9:25
When Jesus saw that the people came running together, he rebuked the foul spirit, saying unto him, Thou dumb and deaf spirit, I charge thee, come out of him, and enter no more into him.

Luke 4:35
And Jesus rebuked him, saying, Hold thy peace, and come out of him. And when the devil had thrown him in the midst, he came out of him, and hurt him not.

Luke 9:42
And as he was yet a coming, the devil threw him down, and tare him. And Jesus rebuked the unclean spirit, and healed the child, and delivered him again to his father.
Jesus is God, Michael is not
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Christian persecution in Nigeria: Responding to reality, not rhetoric

~4,500 is lower than I would expect if violent Christian persecution were a widespread problem in the world. It's not an inconsequential number, and isn't insignificant, but it suggests that the problem isn't on a scale that it's easy to pin down to simple solutions.

The Nigerian government official is largely correct in his analysis. Underneath a religious conflict is a conflict about resources. Nigeria has oil resources, and the more Christian areas tend to have oil (in contrast to just about every other region in the world), whereas Muslim areas are poorer.
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Trump warns Mamdani: No federal funds for a ‘communist’ mayor

NYC just dug it's grave now lie in it! :(

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Millions of New Yorkers don't agree with you. Mamdani is big and scary because... why? He's trying to bring humane policies to a city that's become increasingly unaffordable for everyone.
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Do any of you follow MAGA theology?

I totally disagree with you. This administration is trying to bring others to the table to support their fair share. It is time America takes care of America first and for others to do their part.

That's not in accordance with the principles of justice that any Christian should abide by: threats and coercion. Trump has forsaken any notion of goodwill or soft power in international relations in favor of the logic of the mobster.
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How to evangelize who resist the gospel

Those who have seen my posts on these forums will know that I’m usually strong on sharing the Gospel as soon as possible.

However, in this instance, it sounds a bit like witnessing to a family member. You share the Gospel, and once it’s been rejected, you continue to bless them through kindness and goodness. If you keep pressing the message after rejection, it can come across like a dripping tap. But when they see your honourable conduct and genuine love for God, they may become curious and ask why, and that opens the door again for the Gospel.

In your case, since others have gone before you and been rejected, your role may now be to show kindness and integrity, in the hope that they’ll see something different in you. But do let them know initially that you are a believer.

That said, I would also reflect on whether your time might be more fruitful elsewhere. Sometimes investing in hearts that are firmly closed can consume valuable time. Life is short, a vapour, and we’re called to make the best use of it for God’s glory.

Still, good on you for your courage. In many Western nations where it’s easy to speak of Christ, most believers remain silent. They assume everyone has already heard the Gospel, so they focus only on doing good deeds. Yet people may have heard of the Gospel, but they still think they’re good enough to reach heaven on their own. We must lovingly show them that all have fallen short of God’s standard and need a Saviour.

And for you, dear brother, as God opens doors, remind these people that they’ve sinned against a holy and righteous God, and that one day they’ll stand before Him. Only then may they see their need to receive Christ.
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That Tucker Carlson interview: Why antisemitism must be condemned

No it doesn’t but I know you like the last word so I’ll leave it to you.
Thanks. . .

Ideology = manner or content of thinking characteristic of an individual or class.

My manner of thinking is characteristic of Christians.
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JD Vance Defends Hope That His Wife Will Come to ‘Believe in the Christian Gospel’

Yeah, but Ghandhi had some issues that are rarely mentioned. One was that he slept naked with naked
young girls to test his strength against temptations. He was criticized for this and other acts by Christian
leaders.
BTW I believe this was in the book written by William Shirer, who was an American journalist who followed
Ghandhi throughout most of his career in India.

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Embryo Jewelry? Catholics React to Frozen Children Encased in Necklaces and Rings

Ok.

This is just...

odd.

Perhaps it is just one of those Internet deepfakes we hear so much about.

I will take a closer look (so you, dear reader, don't have to)


{Time passes}

Yeah,

no, these guys are real, and it's worse than you think.

They make keepsake jewelry out of all manner of human based things: breastmilk, placenta, umbilical cord, ashes.


It's a thing.



It's also not really expense.


If you're interested.

(Although these guys are base in Australia, and 50% Tariffs may apply, or not, who can tell, it changes daily)
I know of a professor who's SIL had her brother's ashes in a necklace, IIRC.

It's not my personal preference. Maybe it helped her grieve?
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Weekly Devotional: Finding Grace in Fragile Seasons

Weekly Devotional

The Fragility of the Vessel

Opening Prayer
Dear Heavenly Father, I come to you with humility and reverence. I am just a fragile vessel which has been placed in difficult circumstances. You knew the challenging circumstances of life would come my way. and still You poured out Your grace and peace in my life. I pray every burden I am facing will be turned around to Your glory, honor and praise. Refine me in your fire, heal my body, mind, soul and spirit and make me whole again. Let ever broken place reflect Your light. Let every weakness magnify Your strength. I give You all glory, honor, and praise. In Jesus’ mighty name I pray, Amen
Devotional Message
We tend to shy away from our weakness, forgetting that grace meets us most tenderly, through our weaknesses. It is important for us to hold close to the fact that God places His power in earthen vessels — like us — so that the excellence of His power may be of Him and not of us. Our weakness is not a flaw; it is the very place where His glory dwells.
Scripture: 2 Corinthians 4:7 NKJV: “But we have this treasure in earthen vessels, that the excellence of the power may be of God and not of us.”
Meaning: Our frailty affirms our worth, despite our weakness, in the knowledge of God’s glory revealed in Jesus Christ — the gospel of Jesus Christ. God chose to place His divine power within our fragile vessels, so that no one would mistake the source of the strength that was given to them by God. The treasure is His presence; the vessel is our humanity.
Application: When we accept our fragility, and allow God to take control of our lives, we stop striving to prove ourselves and start allowing God’s glory to shine through us. Our vulnerabilities become windows for His light to shine through us, so that others will see the glory of God in us.
Affirmation: I am not ashamed of my weaknesses or vulnerabilities. It is God’s ordained plan for my life, designed to allow His power and glory to shine through me, as a beacon for others to see. ( 2 Corinthians 12:9 ;4:7 NKJV)
Our human limitations allows grace to seep into our brokenness. Illness, grief, betrayal, loss, doubt — these are the broken places of our lives that shape us into the person we are today. But in those very places, God’s grace shines through. The wounds become vessels for God’s light. The brokenness becomes a testimony.
Scripture: Psalm 147:3 NKJV “He heals the brokenhearted and binds up their wounds.”
Meaning: God is near to the brokenhearted and He heals them — body, mind, soul and spirit. He doesn’t discard the wounded — He binds them up. Healing is part of His nature, and a divine gift he freely gives to us. Through His healing power, He will bind up your wounds and restore you. This is God’s promise to you.
Application: We often fear that our brokenness disqualifies us from being used by God. But it is in the healing that our testimony is born. The places we thought would destroy us become the very places God uses to minister to others.
Affirmation: My brokenness is not the end of my story. God is healing me, binding me, and restoring me.
We are not called to be flawless, but rather, we are called to be faithful. In our weakness, His strength and glory is made known through us. The vulnerabilities in our lives are not shameful — they are sacred.
Scripture: 2 Corinthians 12:9 NKJV “My grace is sufficient for you, for My strength is made perfect in weakness.”
Meaning: God’s grace is all we need. It is enough for us. His grace fills the gaps in our lives that our own strength cannot begin to fill. He is not looking for perfection — He is looking for surrender. In our weakness, His power is revealed.
Application: We often strive to be strong — keeping our pains and grief tucked inside ourselves, in trying to hold everything together. But God invites us to rest in Him — in His grace — His sufficiency. When we stop striving and trying to get through it all ourselves, and start trusting Him, we make room for His power to move.
Affirmation: I will not hide my weakness. It is the place where God’s strength is most visible. It is a place where God’s grace, strength and glory shines through for all to see.
When we surrender our need to appear strong, we make room for God’s grace, strength and glory to shine. The vessel may be fragile — but the treasure within is eternal. We are clay in the hands of the Potter, shaped by grace and filled with purpose.
Scripture: Isaiah 64:8 NKJV “But now, O Lord, You are our Father, we are the clay, and You our potter; And all we are the work of Your hand.”
Meaning: We are handcrafted by God. Every curve, every crack, every contour is intentional. He is the Potter, and we are the clay. He molds us and shapes us into who He wants us to be.
Application: When we remember that we are clay, we stop resisting the shaping. The trials, the stretching, the refining — they are part of the process. God is molding us into vessels that carry His glory.
Affirmation: I am the work of His hands — formed with purpose, filled with grace, and shaped by love.
Closing Prayer
Father, thank You for choosing me despite my fragility. Thank You for placing Your treasure within me and allowing Your power to be seen through my weakness. I surrender every crack, every flaw, every broken place to You.
Shape me, mold me, and use me for Your glory. Let my life be a vessel of grace, a testimony of Your strength, and a reflection of Your love. I trust You, Potter of my soul.
In Jesus’ Mighty name, Amen
Journalizing Questions to Ponder
  1. What cracks in my life have allowed God’s light to shine through?
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  1. How has my weakness revealed His strength in unexpected ways?
_____________________________________________________
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  1. What areas of brokenness am I still trying to hide, and how might
surrender bring healing?
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  1. What scriptures remind me that fragility is part of God’s design?
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  1. How can I encourage others who feel broken, reminding them of the
treasure within?
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Written by From My Heart to Yours - by God's Grace

Faith-based, Born Again author & founder of From My Heart to Yours – By God’s Grace Ministry. Rooted in truth, walking in trust.
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Is the Bible inerrant?

Psalm 119:160
The entirety of Your word is truth, and all Your righteous judgments endure forever.

John 17:17, Jesus prayed for the sanctification of His disciples through truth, saying, “Sanctify them in the truth; Your word is truth.”

Jesus always referred to the scriptures (written text) as scriptures and never referred to them as the Word of God

On the other-hand, Jesus personified The Word of God and he also regarded as living or alive or life-giving. Jesus never personified the scriptures.

These not-so-subtle patterns.
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Do you believe a Christian can no longer be a believer?

So you are saying that every sinner is completely lost?
  • A person can be "permanently lost" if they persistently reject the Holy Spirit's guidance, which is considered the unforgivable sin (blasphemy of the Holy Spirit). This is a deliberate, willful, and ongoing rejection of the path to salvation.
The lost can be found.

God does not passively wait for people to come to Him. Rather, He actively seeks out those who are lost until they are found. The shepherd leaves the 99 sheep to go after the one that is lost, demonstrating God's persistent and personal pursuit.

ALL have sinned ... all start out in a "lost condition" ... that can be changed by the power on the Holy Spirit.
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Defense Secretary Hegseth, bedeviled by leaks, orders more restrictions on press at Pentagon, "remains committed to transparency"

The IG review was completed in September, but it's a secret. People are suing to release it.

But of course.......
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A challenge to a faith we've all come to know

In all my years of being a Christian, something has become glaringly clear.
There are two kinds of Christianity. The first is the religious version—the one most people have come to know. The second is the Christianity revealed in the Bible itself, which, sadly, few ever come to recognize.

We’ve all been taught that our behavior—our sin—is what separates us from God. That sin directly caused death, and that getting our sins forgiven equals salvation. But that’s not what Scripture actually teaches.

Yes, if you only read the Bible at surface level, that’s exactly what it seems to say. But Scripture can’t just be read at surface level. It wasn’t written recently, nor was it written to us. It was written to a people who lived in a completely different culture and time. Their understanding of words, life, and God was shaped by their world. Ours is shaped by ours. To read Scripture as though its meaning automatically transfers across time and culture is not only naive—it’s a mistake.
Let’s start with the belief that sin caused death. This is a perfect example of why surface-level reading will only lead to confusion.

Sin didn’t directly cause death. In fact, sin has no power at all to cause any kind of death. Physical death has always been a natural part of being human. If it were caused by sin, then what God says in Genesis 3 wouldn’t make sense. There, God says the tree of life can give everlasting life even to sinful people. That would be impossible if sin eventually leads to death. The only way that statement makes sense is if physical death was already a natural part of human life.

Sin doesn’t cause soul death either—that would be no different than physical death. The soul is what gives life to the body. So that leaves spiritual death.

But, if spiritual death were automatically caused by sin—if sin had built-in power to destroy spiritual life—then salvation would be impossible. No amount of grace or forgiveness could stop such an automatic effect. The moment someone received new spiritual life, their very next sin would simply kill that life again.
This is not true at all. The new man created when a person is born from God does not sin and can not sin (1 Jn 3:9) because he is joined to the Lord and is one spirit with Him ().
So while spiritual death entered the world through sin, it wasn’t automatically caused by sin. There’s more going on than that.

Scripture teaches that it is our condition that separates us from God, not our behavior. This is something so obvious that we've somehow missed it. If I was to ask you, "Why is it that we sin?" What would your answer be? Whatever your answer is, it should be glaringly obvious that if your answer is what causes us to sin, then sin itself is the symptom, not the cause.​

We are all born spiritually dead. That’s our condition. We inherited it—passed down from generation to generation—all the way back to Adam and Eve, who received it from God as a consequence of disobedience. When they ate from the tree, God separated Himself from them. That separation was spiritual death.
It is untennable to say that sin does not separate us from God.

But your iniquities have separated you from your God;
And your sins have hidden His face from you (Is 59:2)​

Do you have Scriptures to back up the idea that separation from God due to sin is not "automatic"?
From that point on, humanity bore a new image. Genesis 5:3 says Adam had a son “in his own likeness, after his image.” Humanity was created in God’s image, but now we are born in Adam’s. Spiritually dead plus spiritually dead will always equal spiritually dead. That’s why Romans 5:12 says we all share in Adam’s condition.

Our behavior—our sin—is simply the natural result of being separated from God. It’s the symptom of our spiritual condition.

Even though we’re born spiritually dead, we aren’t guilty of sin until we choose to sin. A newborn infant, for example, hasn’t wilfully sinned. If that child dies, it has the grace of God upon which it will be saved. But given enough time, however, that child will eventually sin.
The age of accountability doctrine has no Scriptural basis as far as I can tell.
Now, if spiritual death is our condition and our sin is merely a symptom of that condition, then logically, it is not our sin that separates us from God, but our condition. And if our sin isn't what separates us from God, then getting our sins forgiven isn't going to save us. Our salvation, and the forgiveness of sin, are two uniquely separate events.
Forgiveness was accomplished more than 2,000 years ago and applied to all humanity. Every person born since the cross has entered the world already forgiven. There isn’t a soul alive today who isn’t already forgiven.

Imagine you’ve committed a crime deserving life in prison. A friend—completely innocent—offers to take your punishment in your place. The judge agrees. The moment your friend takes your penalty, you’re considered innocent and free to go. Do you need to ask for a pardon? Of course not. The price was paid, and justice was satisfied.

That’s exactly what happened at the cross. The moment Christ paid the penalty, the world was forgiven. And it’s because we’re forgiven that salvation is even possible.
No, forgiveness was not appropriated to all mankind the moment Christ paid the penalty (Acts 26:18, Rom 4:5-8, Eph 1:7, Col 1:14, Col 2:13, 1 Jn 1:9).
This is why God tore the temple curtain—to show that anyone can now enter His presence for salvation. If forgiveness only happened at the moment of salvation, then no one could approach God to receive it, because they’d still be guilty. But since forgiveness was already given, salvation became possible for all.
Salvation has two elements - never perishing and eternal life (John 3:15-17).
In modern Christianity, the focus is too often on behavior. But every major religion in the world is about behavior—about doing better, trying harder, sinning less. It’s easy to judge others when we measure faith by conduct.

It’s like judging someone with Alzheimer’s for forgetting things—then scolding them to “try harder” to remember. The problem isn’t their behavior. It’s their condition.

We’re all born in the same condition: spiritually dead. Do you have the right to judge another based on that? Of course not. You were no different. The true question is, can you love someone regardless of their symptoms?

That’s what true Christianity is about.
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Fact-checking Trump's 60 minutes interview

The negative ratings of Democrats is kind of interesting. See Trump's disapproval rating rises in new poll, but Americans also call Dems 'out of touch' for documentation. It's real. People think Democrats are out of touch. Still the same poll says slightly more would vote for a Democrat than Republican.

I think there may be a difference between the national leadership and the candiates. A lot of Democrats are upset at the party for not reacting well to Trump. I agree. I think we need a generation change in national Democratic leadership. But that doesn't affect my evaluation of specific candidates, where often the Democratic candidate is better.

Personally I blame Biden for not dropping out sooner. He left the party with little alternative to the VP. She is not someone who would have been picked in a proper convention. Her campaign of joy was completely wrong for a nation where many people rightly feel left out. Out of touch indeed.
I pretty much agree with all of this. In 2020 Harris had to drop out even before the first caucus. Nothing would have changed in 2024.
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