CoreyD said:

@Jerry N. can you or your wife read this?

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בְּרֵאשִׁ֖ית בָּרָ֣א אֱלֹהִ֑ים would be “At the beginning,” “God,” “created.” The following breaks it down better: Three Words From The Creation - Day 1 of 4

Apple Sky said:

And this.

Brazil fisherman nets UK space debris in Amazon​

UK Space Agency says object was part of payload covering that launched with satellite in French Guiana last year

Residents from Salinópolis hauled the chunk of metal ashore and reported the find to a local military base. Photograph: Tarso Sarraf/AFP/Getty Images

And this.



Google balloon falls on Chino Hills.

And all these, these are only a few for this year.

• 2025:
  • On 19 February 2025, a Composite overwrapped pressure vessel and other fragments from SpaceX Falcon-9 second stage survived reentry and impacted a village in Poland causing some damage to property.[71][72]
  • On 24 March 2025, the trunk of the SpaceX Crew-9 Dragon spacecraft reentered the atmosphere and its debris landed in Erg Chech region of Sahara desert.[73]
  • On 10 May 2025, three to four Composite overwrapped pressure vessels from a reentered space object were found in Armstrong and Cañada de Gómez towns of Santa Fe, Argentina.[74][75]
  • On 10 May 2025, the Soviet Kosmos 482 Venus descent craft crashed into either Indian Ocean, Europe or Australia on 10 May 2025 at an 6:04 to 7:32 UTC window.[76]
  • On 25 September 2025, A large cylindrical fragment of reentered space debris with 1.2 meter diameter and 1.7 meter length was found in Puerto Tirol (Chaco Province, Argentina). The object was wrapped in carbon fiber and had 40 cm hole on one end.[77][78][79][80] The object was marked with serial number FG-144A/GFFa3-11/S9-2305 [81] and could belong to the Chinese rocket Jielong 3.[82]
  • On 18 October, a suspected piece of space debris consistent with attributes of a Composite overwrapped pressure vessel was found in Pilbara region of Western Australia.[83][84] The object was in flames when discovered by mine workers.[85] Recovered object could be from reentered upper stage of Chinese rocket Jielong-3.[86][87]

It's like earth has become a junk yard for their supposed space junk.

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You have yet to give any rational explanation for where satellite tv signals come from if not from a satellite. Satellite tv signals need stability to be reliable. A balloon could not keep stability. Nor can the ionosphere. Both are unstable and completely unreliable for satellite tv requirements.

Aerial masts with or without dishes make absolutely no sense because all satellite receiver dishes are aligned to the sky. In the case of the UK tv satellite signals, all satellite receiver dishes across Ireland and the UK are aligned to the point in the sky where the Astra 28.2 satellite system is located. No system of aerial masts could replicate such a reality.

Underground or undersea cables make no sense as no such cables are attached to the satellite receiver equipment and the signals come from the sky, not the ground. Again all satellite receiver dishes are aligned to the sky in order to receive signals.

So where do the signals come from? Any answers you have given so far are proving that satellites located thousands of miles above the earth in geostationary orbit is the only rational explanation. And that the earth is a globe.

Douggg said:

The Jews are blinded until the fullness of the Gentiles has been completed. So the time is coming when the Jews will no longer be blinded and will turn to Jesus and all Israel will be saved.

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God will not save anyone who hates Jesus.

Douggg said:

No, the Gog/Magog attack of Ezekiel 38-39 will be on the current nation of Israel.

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Scripturally impossible.
Jewish Israel is very well defended. Gog will attack an undefended people.

Making wild and unbelievable statements as you do, destroys your credibility.

Stopped_lurking said:

Give me an example then, and explain why it is outside the scope of science.

Do any of these articles make the case that its use would not be possible to study scientifically? Getting inspiration and tips and tricks and generating hypothesis from the local population is all fine and dandy. I'm sure imperialistic and colonial worldviews have caused distress, pain, even outright murder historically so I'm all for giving the Sami people a place at the table when planning science experiments in Sapmi. If they present a method or a result or natural phenomenon we can study it with scientific methods and try to explain it as well as giving their description a voice.

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But your trying to explain this in scientific material terms which defeats the whole idea of alternative knowledge to the scientific paradigm.

The best way I can relate it to consciousness and phenomenal experiences like belief and material sciences. They belong in different paradigms or the lens by which someone sees fundemental reality. Whether its something transcedent or the causal closure of the phycial is all there is to understanding the world and reality.

Some theories in Quantum Consciousness posit that Mind is fundemental and actually creates the objective world we see. So obvious there are two ways to see the evidence. One measures the physical and the other the Mind or the phenomena beyond the mind.

Already we see a major difference where science could not even measure the transcedent aspect of reality. Therefore if there is a transcedent aspect then this must connect with the objective aspect fundementally. Thus being immersed in the transcedent or spirit gives a deeper knowledge behind what we see. Thus being able to manipulate or transcend the material world.

Its from this basis that I think ancient knowledge could be more advanced because its more aligned with fundemental reality. We can see how modern physics is now toying with the idea that Mind or consciousness is fundemental and could unlock the physical world.

But remember this is spectualtion and an hypothesis. I am not saying this is exactly the case. I don't know. I am just attempting to explain a possibility.

As I said, there are nuances, and a man can hold one opinion we agree with AND one that we think he’s nuts to hold. I think all of the speech that reduces any one man to “just stupid” or “pure evil” to be expressing unintelligent thought, thought that hates acknowledging complications, lazy thought. I imagine most here probably have no conflict with Fuentes’ view on pornography, for example. In that case, admitting he is right about that would be a good start to seeing a whole, if somewhat mistaken human being rather than a caricature to be treated purely as an enemy.
I think Tucker is a bit off the rails on UFOs, for example. I also think he has gone too soft on too many of his interviewees, listening, and not challenging nearly enough. But he is right to a great extent on some aspects of both Russia and Israel, if not sufficiently informed on others. (I could say a LOT more about him and Russia.) The interview with the Iranian president was never going to work, as he seems to not know what taqiyya is, or how that would certainly be used against him in such an interview. Anyone who calls him an ”antisemite” is simply falling for propaganda. That’s what the term was invented for, the term is nonsense in that Semites also includes Arabs and other peoples; it represents a lack of thought about what things are; “anti-Jew” would be shorter, more honest, and more direct, and that’s what I myself say instead of “antisemite”.
Tucker has made it quite clear on many occasions that he is neutral towards Israel, that he only opposes the extent of support that shuts down all questioning of it, and that other sides should be considered. Sometimes he goes too far in THAT direction. I’m not trying to derail the thread, and don’t expect 100% agreement from everyone, but to point out that these people are complicated. I could equally turn the guns, so to speak, on Ben Shapiro, Michael Knowles, Andrew Klavan, etc, and state both where I think them right and where I think them wrong without condemning them on the whole as “bad people”. And if you look at the Left, I think you’ll find that quite a few of them are going to occasionally express ideas we actually agree with, even though we disagree on so many of the big issues. Again, this is not about Tucker as such but about how we refuse to sift through the ideas and fairly weigh each one on its own merits.

Oh, and I do acknowledge that Chesterton here is right, that Fr Josiah probably did vet Fuentes and decided that both his stand on pornography and his reach were worth letting him speak about pornography.

RamiC said:

Do Sheffeild University allow their students to watch the world news?

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Lol


Ive lost friends in real life because they cant handle realizing my ex wife might actually be my half sister.

But lot and his daughters

Its ok its in the bible

Actually there is evidence from research that modern life makes people mentally ill. We have increasing and high rates of youth mental illness. We have high rates of young adult men and women with anxiety and depression.

In some ways society is like a individual who is having a breakdown.

Look at everything that is in the media. Its all bad news and negative. But also in recent decades I think society has created an unreal idea of what makes people happy. You have to have a good job and career, make money, be popular, always show your happy. Individual fullfillment put above all else. Women told not to be married and be free and put off having a child and now they are sad they missed out as this was nature calling.

Manhood being turned into some disorder and all the fighting over identities. Everything seems to be tearing down marriages, families, aborting babies, rejecting bodies and reality itself.

Then we hear the constant grevance of climate change, the world is going to end soon as it floods or drys up. Then theres all the talk of wars and nuclear wars and terrorism. Antisemetism, assassinations of people live on TV. Its a crazy world we are living in right now. So I can understand peoples worry and bewilderment.

I think now is the time to get back to basic. Don't worry about the world or fitting in with it. Its all chaos. Of course get your job and pay your bills. Or for many they are just surviving and no one cares. But God cares and if we trust in Him we will always find the strength no matter what.

If find volunteering good. Most people who do charity are good people and worth knowing. It also gives meaning and worth by helping others. Takes your mind off your own problems and actually helps overcome them.

Something about helping brings help for yourself. Not in a selfish way. I think its the same principle of storing up riches in heaven. A value beyond money and this world which can enrich your spirit. Which builds you up and helps see things differently.

But I think its also important to not buy into the culture and world. Trying to live to their social rules. Its a jungle out there lol.

People and christians get attacked all the time
maybe not as obvious as a demon mauling you but when families are broken, there are discussions,
when people do evils things sometimes, when people get psycological problems, is a lot of times attacks.
The problem is the enemy hides and people don't figure out its them.

And i believe usually the enemy doesn't have 'rights' to attack, even is something very good happened, someone a person did something bad to him for the enemy to act.

Yarddog said:

Why do people hate immigrants, whether illegal or not?

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Nothing personal against them, we just don't need them in the country.

ThatRobGuy said:

Are we going to act all shocked as to why they opt to want to have some words with the latter, but don't pay much attention to the former?

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The probably would pay more attention to the brown gentleman in America.

jacks said:

As things get more expensive the terms of loans rises. For example car loans in the 60's were rarely over 3 years. Now car loans can be up to 8 years. We are a consumer economy, have to keep those consumers consuming!

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This actually comes with advancements and regulations. Home loans used to be 7 years. Car loans 3. But as we advance things get more and more costly. I do think the 30 year mortgage helped create more expensive homes. They were inevitably going to go up in price with air-conditioning, electric everything, fuel standards etc etc.

Hous3s at 50 year loans. Very bad plan.

There is one take on Habbukuk at this link. It would seem he was a minor, minor prophet, but he was prepared to speak his mind to God.

He was upset with all the evil that was going on and wanted to know what God was going to do about it.

The kicker is, both times Habakkuk appears, it’s nearly the same passage: different verses from Chapter 1 of the Book of Habakkuk paired with the same verses from Chapter 2. It’s unfair, considering this prophet only gets two shots at speaking to us. Maybe we’re not missing much. Habakkuk’s prophecies are only three chapters long, which means you can become an expert on his writings pretty quickly. Not so with Isaiah, whose thought encompasses 66 chapters. By comparison, Habakkuk’s a fellow who gets to the point.

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There is a Wikipedia article here.

LIFE

Almost nothing is known about Habakkuk, aside from what is stated within the book of the Bible bearing his name, or those inferences that may be drawn from that book.[3] No biographical details are provided other than his title "the prophet".[4]

For almost every other prophet, more information is given, such as the name of the prophet's hometown, his occupation, or information concerning his parentage or tribe.[13] For Habakkuk, however, there is no reliable account of any of these.[14] Although his home is not identified, scholars conclude that Habakkuk lived in Jerusalem at the time he wrote his prophecy.[15] Further analysis has provided an approximate date for his prophecy and possibilities concerning his activities and background.

Beyond the Bible, considerable conjecture has been put forward over the centuries in the form of Christian and Rabbinic tradition, but such accounts are dismissed by modern scholars as speculative and apocryphal.[5][6]

The Septuagint translation of Daniel in the Codex Chisianus refers to him as "the son of Jesus of the tribe of Levi".[16]

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Starbucks? TEA? Sounds like a liberal false flag stunt.

Micah 4:11-13 But now many nations are massed against you. They say: Let Zion suffer, let us gloat over the Holy Land.
They do not know the Lord’s thoughts or understand His purposes, for He has gathered them like sheaves to the threshing floor.
Arise and thresh, you descendants of Zion; I will make your weapons strong and many peoples will be destroyed. Their land and property is to be consecrated to the Lord of the whole earth.

Micah 5:1 For now; gather behind your walls, seek shelter from the siege.
Israel’s ruler will be struck on the cheek by a rod.
Will Benyamin Netanyahu be wounded and incapacitated? This is a very likely scenario, as he has already survived many attempts of assassination.
A ‘rod’, would be the best description Micah could use for a snipers rifle.

The loss of the Jewish State of Israel’s good leaders, is Prophesied in Isaiah 3:1-5 and the panic that ensues in Isaiah 22:1-5
Iran and all the Islamic haters of Judah , will take advantage of this situation: Isaiah 22:6-9….Elam, Aram and Kir, will prepare to attack and the heart of Judah’s defences are laid open.

Then, the Lord will arise and destroy them all. Ezekiel 7:14. Zechariah 1:14-18, Isaiah 63:1-8, Revelation 6:12-17

Chesterton said:

Personally, I respect an atheist even less for using an emergence argument. It has something in common with the multiverse, in that it's a complete fabrication with zero evidence. I've never accepted the word "emergence" being used in a scientific or philosophical context. It's a vacuous placeholder word used to gloss over the fact that we don't know the details about certain processes. Saying that something emerged is not saying anything worth saying.

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What is the problem with emergence in the scientific sense? Aerodynamic lift is an good example by a property of fluids and airfoils together that is not a property of the constituent parts, is it not?

Reluctant Theologian said:

Information/facts that are not mentioned in the Bible may not be necessarily untrue. The early church has circulating info and sometimes literature/books with extra-Biblical stories - of course the reliability and authenticity of those are at a very different level than the Biblical texts (and may even be completely fabricated), but there is no reason to dismiss by definition ALL extra-Biblical accounts/stories/books. These were part of early Christian society and its written or oral tradition. We assume all kind of historical events based on extra-Biblical information ..

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I would say that there is no reason either to dismiss or to believe extra-biblical details about people or events mentioned in the bible. Particularly with the biblical account of the Incarnation, we find all sorts of "details" added, and accepted as an essential part of the "Christmas story." The donkey, an innkeeper, the wise men visiting Jesus at the same time as the shepherds, and much more. Some of these things actually contradict what we find in the bible, and others, we just do not know.

To have Christisn fellowship at any time of the day or night and to meet people from around the world. Also you have time to consider what to say and you can choose which topics to engage with and which to avoid.

80's classic that I have somehow only just now become fond of.

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@Multifavs , I hope i do not presume too much about your personality when i say this sounds like it might be your kind of love song. Give it a listen!


Side note: Actor Andrew McCarthy was cool. I actually am not familiar with anything he was in past the 80's, though, strangely.

probinson said:

As I've said twice now, the analogy is inane. It has no real point.

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And yet, it did. Apparently you missed it, and continue to.

-- A2SG, oh well, I tried....

Fervent said:

Not ultimately, no.

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Did you emerge from a jar of honey, or are you a regular human like the rest of us. Your confusion on the topic of where humans come from is baffling.

Fervent said:

God's nature, as in His essence

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Why should morality depend on what a god is made of?

Fervent said:

Existence is a category for objects, not truths. Truths either obtain or they don't, but there are numerous ways for a truth to obtain.

what you consider sensible is of no interest to me.

And so assertion is as good an argument as any.

"Demonstrable"? By what means? And to whom? We're quickly treading towards the diallelus.

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I must conclude that there is no discussion available with you. You have made it clear that you hold that morality is a brute fact of reality because your god exists and because that is why morality exists, morality must be objective (as your god has no apparent mind to which morality is subject) and perhaps absolute. You will not even discuss with in any other possible framework or consider even a divinely imposed subjective (to the god) morality.

Vambram said:

The Mueller investigation was the weaponization and lawfare of the justice systems.

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Oh please! That's straight out of Trump's NPD caused projection!
Who do you think is Tweeting every day that he wants this person arrested, this person sued, that journalist fired, blah blah blah....

Daniel Martinovich said:

"The Beast" was already interpreted for us in Daniel as being the 4 gentile empires. Babylon, Medo\Persia, Greece and Roman. This was a time period of the worldwide oppression of the saints. It started in 597BC when Nebuchadnezzar conquered Judea and ended in 1453AD when what had been the capitol of the Roman Empire since 333AD Constantinople fell to the Ottomans. The importance of understanding the prophecy in Daniel and Revelation is so that one can know when the 100 or so chapters of a promised age of billions coming to Christ and a growing free world pioneered by Christians would begin. Which was after the Roman Empire ends.

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I was with you until you projected past the New Testament era. The REALITY amongst theologians that matter is Daniel's 4 kingdoms are REALLY complex to interpret - but that it's past. It's either fulfilled by Rome or not - and the complicated apocalyptic symbolism around the end of this sequence is pointing to Jesus. Or not. It's very, very tricky.

I was lucky enough to have a Professor of Old Testament at my church for years - and even he says it's very, very tricky.
There are debates about how it might unfold around Antiochus - or up to Jesus. The years don't work as years either way - but might work as chunks - as rough fractions of time in a symbolic sense.

And Revelation borrows from this imagery, but John does his own thing with it. The 4 beasts are amalgamated into one - representing ALL God's enemies.

Trying to get literal with calendars just makes me yawn.
It's just. Not. True!

That's the way of endless disputes amongst various tribes of futurist - and is why I leave this forum for 6 months at a time.