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Why Christians can't look away from Israel

We do not need to stand with Israel for the sake of it being Israel. IMO, Israel is a political construct, not a nation. The nation ceased close to 2,000 years ago.

Mat 27:25 And the whole people answering, said: His blood be upon us and upon our children.
Well that why it’s an op-ed piece. He believes it along with many evangelicals. Does not mean anyone else needs to believe it.
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Maine elects woman convicted of killing Canadian tourist to city council: ‘So broken’

You don’t agree that violent murder is more serious? Curious.

Satisfy me? She could be doing something that has nothing to do with making decisions for the people of a city.
I just don’ t se how it is a problem in this situation. What precludes her from making decisions?

As to murder, we bring back soldiers who kill and call them heroes. If taking a life causes irredeemable damage, and yes, many soldiers do it willfully, then why promote war veterans with kills as great citizens, even leaders?
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The Thing Most Sabbath Keepers Do not Talk About.

No wonder. You equal all that go to church on Sunday instead of saturdays as idol worshipers. That is just sad. I don’t think God is going to care that I rest on Sunday rather than Saturday. Your theology makes absolutely no sense and it is absolutely not biblical. A person is saved by the grace of God through faith not by if they worship on Saturday. That is absolute nonsense.
God cared about a tree in Eden. It’s just a tree, right? Or was it a test that changed everything.

I think one is missing the point behind it. It’s not just about Saturday or Sunday, it’s the power behind it and whose voice are we listening to. God commanded one thing, was very specific another power changed it not based on God’s Authroity, He warned us this would happen Dan7:25 and we see a clear history of it, most people followed this power (even without realizing it as it happened so long ago) instead of being faithful to what God said. It’s really a test of our loyalty, because we are told whoever we obey is who we serve (or worship) Rom6:16 And God’s remnant people keep God’s commandments Rev12:17

I am a firm believer God really means what He says. If God commanded us to keep Tuesday holy, who are we to argue with our Maker. He was very specific about His Sabbath and what it means to Him. God stated plainly in His commandments written by the finger of God which is the Holy Spirit of Truth. He never said we can substitute what we don’t agree with for our own man-made ideas. He condemned this teaching Mar7:7-13 Mat15:3-14 I find the Sabbath to be the blessing and delight just as He promised Isa8:13-14 Isa56:2. I believe we are to change our lives around His word, not try to bend the Bible to fit our life. In the end it will be up to God. I think He made His case clearly, but I know you don’t agree, so I guess it will get sorted out soon enough. I do wish you well.
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Are professed Christians that worship our Lord on Sunday instead of Saturday sinning?

There are many examples of God's laws being followed without it being recorded when God first gave them such as with Genesis 39:9 where Joseph knew that it was a sin to commit adultery, so the fact that the first recorded instance of a command against adultery wasn't until Sinai does not give justification for assuming that there was no law against adultery prior to that, and the same is true for the Sabbath.
The Ten Commandments, which Sabbath is part of, were not given until Exodus 16.

Not Abraham, not Isaac, not Jacob, none of the patriarchs kept Sabbath (Fathers prior to Egypt did not keep the Sabbath: Deut 5:2-3 "The Lord our God made a covenant with us at Horeb. The Lord did not make this covenant with our fathers, but with us, with all those of us alive here today."). The first time the Sabbath is mentioned in some significant way is in the 16th chapter of Exodus, when God feeds the people manna from heaven as they wander in the wilderness.

And the manna comes every day except the Sabbath day, and the day before they get enough for that day, so that they don’t have to work on that day. And that gives them a little preview of what’s coming, because in the 20th chapter you have the Ten Commandments, and in the Ten Commandments, prescriptions are given that do set down laws for the Sabbath day. This is the first time any such laws have been given by God.

The Sabbath was not instituted for man in Genesis. It was instituted officially in Exodus, in the law of Moses. A further understanding of that comes from Exodus chapter 31. The Lord speaks to Moses in verse 12, and He says to him, “As for you, speak to the sons of Israel saying, ‘You shall surely observe My Sabbaths; for this is a sign between Me and you throughout your generations, that you may know that I am the Lord who sanctifies you.

“‘Therefore you are to observe the Sabbath, for it is holy to you. Everyone who profanes it shall surely be put to death; for whoever does any work on it, that person shall be cut off from among his people. For six days work may be done but on the seventh day there is a Sabbath of complete rest, holy to the Lord; whoever does any work on the Sabbath day shall surely be put to death. So the sons of Israel shall observe the Sabbath, to celebrate the Sabbath throughout their generations as a perpetual covenant.

“‘It is a sign between Me and the sons of Israel forever;’” - why? - “‘for in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, but on the seventh day He ceased, and was refreshed,’” - or rested. Here we find that Sabbath is a sign; it is a sign. That is to say, it points to something else. It is a symbol, connected to the Mosaic covenant.

When God made a covenant with Noah, He promised Noah that He would never destroy the world again, and God identified a sign. What was the sign of the Noahic covenant? Rainbow. When God made a covenant with Abraham, He made that covenant with Abraham and He designated a sign, and the sign of the Abrahamic covenant, participation among the covenant people Israel, was the sign of circumcision. And here you have in the Mosaic covenant another sign, and the sign this time is the Sabbath.

It was only a sign. Observing it with a duplicitous heart gained nothing. In fact, Isaiah 1:13 says, “Bring your worthless offerings no longer, Incense is an abomination to Me. New moon and Sabbath.” The prophet Hosea pronounces a similar judgment on their hypocritical Sabbaths: “I will put an end to all her gaiety, her feasts, her new moons, her Sabbaths.” It didn’t mean anything to observe it outwardly without a heart of love and devotion to God.

The Sabbath was a reminder of creation. The Sabbath was to remind the people of Israel that they had forfeited paradise; that man had forfeited paradise. The law said to them, “Obey this law and you will be blessed.” God said that repeatedly: “Obey this law and you will be blessed,” to show them that righteous behaviour would restore a taste of Eden’s paradise. Righteous behaviour would also point to a future, a future kingdom when paradise would be regained.

So, the Sabbath, every Sabbath that went by, when they rested, they were reminded of a perfect creation, a paradise of God dominated by righteousness, which had been forfeited by sin and could only be regained again by righteousness. God then institutes the seventh-day system - not for everybody in the world; in fact, specifically, it says, for Israel. Verse 17: “A sign between Me and the sons of Israel forever.” Every seventh day was a reminder that they were living in a fallen world. Every seventh day was a reminder that they had lost paradise.


The Sabbath was the sign to Israel of the Old Covenant. Because we are now under the New Covenant, we are no longer required to keep the sign of the Old Covenant. The New Testament nowhere commands Christians to observe the Sabbath.

Paul warned the Gentiles about many different sins in his epistles, but never about breaking the Sabbath.

The early church Fathers, from Ignitions to Augustine, taught that the Old Testament Sabbath had been abolished and that the first day of the week (Sunday) was the day when Christians should meet for worship.
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Why Does the Bible Tell Us to Behave In Ways We Can’t? How Can Anyone Be Saved?

The messenger of YHVH, the apostle paul, did.
Did Apostle Pal kept every single commandment of God? No. Thus he was a sinner in need of a Saviour.

Have you learnt nothing from Paul's letters?

Romans 3
“None is righteous, no, not one; no one understands; no one seeks for God. All have turned aside; together they have become worthless; no one does good, not even one.” - this includes Paul

23 for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, - this includes Paul

Romans 7
9 I was once alive apart from the law, but when the commandment came, sin came alive and I died. 10 The very commandment that promised life proved to be death to me. 11 For sin, seizing an opportunity through the commandment, deceived me and through it killed me. 12 So the law is holy, and the commandment is holy and righteous and good.
13 Did that which is good, then, bring death to me? By no means! It was sin, producing death in me through what is good, in order that sin might be shown to be sin, and through the commandment might become sinful beyond measure. 14 For we know that the law is spiritual, but I am of the flesh, sold under sin. 15 For I do not understand my own actions. For I do not do what I want, but I do the very thing I hate. 16 Now if I do what I do not want, I agree with the law, that it is good. 17 So now it is no longer I who do it, but sin that dwells within me. 18 For I know that nothing good dwells in me, that is, in my flesh. For I have the desire to do what is right, but not the ability to carry it out. 19 For I do not do the good I want, but the evil I do not want is what I keep on doing. 20 Now if I do what I do not want, it is no longer I who do it, but sin that dwells within me.
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Do the Ten Commandments still apply under the new covenant today?

Me, I do believe in Christ's rest to eternal life to, but not that we will all get through.

This rest isn't just physical; it's an assurance found in Christ's completed work for salvation, allowing you to cease striving and find peace in His presence and provision. To enter this rest, you must have faith in God, surrender your anxieties, and cease your own self-justifying efforts."

In Revelations 2-Jesus said not everybody will make it through and there were some commited pastors who didn't who did great work so that go against those who we all get through if we believe.

The first para says you believe faith alone is not enough.

The 2nd para says faith alone is enough

The 3rd para says faith alone is not enough.

You have to make up your mind what to believe in.
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WHY LAW OF MOSES. AND THE NEW COVENANT IS NOT TODAY V?

And ROMANS 6:14. For sin will NOT //. OV. is a DISJUNCATIVE PARTICLE. NEGATIVE , means SIN. will never rule OVER YOU. RULE

over you. are NOT //. OV is also a DISJUNCATIVE PARRICLE NEGATIVE as you are. not under THE LAW , but under GRACE !!
Paul spoke about multiple categories of law other than the Law of Moses, so it is always important to discern which law he was referring to. For example, in Romans 7-8, Paul said that the Law of God is good, that he wanted to do good, that he delighted in obeying it, and that he served it with his mind in contrast with the law of sin, which was working within his members to cause him not to do the good that he wanted to do, which was waging war against the law of his mind, which he served with his flesh, which held him captive, and which the Law of the Spirit as free us from. The Law of God leads us to do what is godly, righteous, and good (Romans 7:12) while the law of sin leads us in the opposite direction by stirring up sinful passions in order to bear fruit unto death (Romans 7:5). So verses that refer something that would be absurd for Paul to delight in doing should not be interpreted as referring to the Law of God while verses that refer to a law that is sinful, that causes sin to increase, or that hinders us from obeying the Law of God shouldbe interpreted as referring to the law of sin. For example, Paul described the law that we are not under in Romans 6:14 as being a law where sin had dominion over him and it would be absurd for Paul to delight in sin having dominion over him, but rather that is the role of the law of sin. In Roman 6:15, being under grace does not mean that we are permitted to sin, and in Romans 7:7, the Law of God is not sinful but how we know what sin is, so we are still under it. Moreover, everything else in Romans 6 speaks in favor of obedience to the Law of God and against sin.


Also , read 2 Cor 3:13-16. a killer VERSE. !!
The bottom line is that we must obey God rather than man, so if you think that Paul should be interpreted as promoting rebellion against what God has commanded, then you should be quicker to disregard everything that he said than to disregard anything that God has commanded. In Deuteronomy 13, the way that God instructed to determine that someone is a false prophet who is not speaking for Him is if they speak against obeying His law, so it is either incorrect to interpret Paul as doing that or he was a false prophet, but either way followers of Christ should be followers of his example of obedience to the Law of God. The reality is that Paul was a servant of God who therefore never promoted rebellion against what He has commanded.

And do. you have a verse HOW anyone can be saved by the NEW COVENANT ??

dan p
In Psalms 119:29-30, he wanted to put false ways far from him, for God to be gracious to him by teaching him to obey His law, and he chose the way of faith by setting it before him, so this has always been the one and only way of salvation by grace through faith alone.
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Why I might suspect there`s a god

What do you think, did a god create the first sun?

Hi, Kjelete! :wave:

Welcome to CF!

Yes, indeed, God created the first sun.

But God has always existed, and He spoke the universe into existence with His immense power; raising the level of mass/energy from zero to what it is today, over a six-day period.
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SNAP benefits ( gentally)

Many people receiving SNAP do not need it; they feel entitled to it. They buy junk because they can, and they wast food because they can. I think if the country stripped away EBT altogether and replaced it with actual physical food rations, miraculously, SNAP recipients would drop by more than half because the entitled leaches would find it too inconvenient.
86% of all SNAP benefits go to households with gross monthly income at or below the poverty level.
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I've been anointed by God to send the one True Word! I would love some feedback and discussion!

Curse words certainly do matter!
It is God's will that we are holy. 1 Thessalonians 3:4. Holy means set apart or different. We are not to be like the world but different from it.
How can we be holy - set apart - from the word if we are using the same foul language they use?
How can we be light in a dark world if our language is dark, unwholesome, unedifying etc?
Read James 3 - with our tongues we praise our Lord and with the same tongue we utter curses. Can fresh and salt water come from the same spring?

And what kind of witness are you being and message are you spreading if you talk about the God who is f...ing furious? How dare you put swear words in his mouth?
How are people going to be drawn to him if you describe his awesomeness, majesty, purity and love using swear words?

To be Holy is to be pure in intent my friend, all things , words and objects, if not used in an impure manner, are Holy.
You are focusing too much on semantics instead of the actual messages which is unfortunate.
Perhaps read my blog post Strippers, Music and Intent to understand where I'm coming from.
Words are vehicles to get messages across, your intent behind those words, are what really matter.
True Evil spread profane language in evil ways to hurt and harm on another, I'm using it here to spread Gods message in my own way - this cannot be Evil! But thats just my opinion I suppose my friend - May Jesus follow you
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Pope Leo says faith and love for migrants are connected

So go on a mission to south America, and devote your life to feeding the poor over there. Here, we have our own laws, with our own civilization, right here on this land that's ours, and ours alone.
Did God give it to you or did your ancestors take it from the indigenous people here first?
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TRUMP "MISSED THE DEADLINE" TO CALL OFF TX GERRYMANDERING; CALIFORNIA WILL NOW DRAW NEW, MORE “BEAUTIFUL MAPS”

I do not disagree with this. My assertions are that despite disliking partisan gerrymandering, I don't think partisan gerrymandering is forbidden by the Constitution.
It's not specifically forbidden. So a strict constructionist would say it was allowed. It should be illegal for the same reason burglary is illegal.

Also, Congress has the power, and has had the power for as long as gerrymandering has existed, to fix or at least significantly alleviate gerrymandering in regards to the House of Representatives, and should do so.
Yep. But even in Texas, the republican rigged districts actually favored a few democrats while greatly reducing the representation of democrats generally. Crooked, but handy for those who actually get elected.
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