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Do you believe in Creationism or Evolutionism?

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BIBLE VERSES WHICH TAKEN LITERALLY SUPPORT A FLAT EARTH-CENTERED UNIVERSE

Ecclesiastes 1:5
The sun rises and the sun sets, and hurries back to where it rises".
That says absolutely nothing about the earth's shape.

1 Chronicles 16:30 NIV

Tremble before him, all the earth!
The world is firmly established; it cannot be moved.

What does that say about shape?
]Revelation 7:1 - "After this I saw four angels standing at the four corners of the earth,
back the four winds of the earth..."
So are you saying you believe the earth is a flat square or rectangle?

Isaiah 11:12 NIV

..... he will assemble the people of Judah

from the four quarters of the earth.

A globe can have quarters.

Isaiah 40:22 NIV

He sits enthroned above the circle of the earth,
and its people are like grasshoppers.
He stretches out the heavens like a canopy,
and spreads them out like a tent to live in.
First, that is picture-language. God is a spirit. He doesn't literally sit. Second, the Hebrew word translated "circle" is elsewhere translated as "circuit." Thirdly, Isaiah writes, "above the circle of the earth", so the earth has a circle or circuit. He does not say, "He sits enthroned above the earth and the earth is circle." To say that "circle of the earth" means "the earth is a circle" is like saying that the wilderness is a pelican and the desert is an owl, because Psalm 102:6 says:

“I am like a pelican of the wilderness; I am like an owl of the desert.” (Ps 102:6 NKJV)

Job 28:24 NIV

for he views the the ends of the earth
and sees everything under the heavens.

Nothing there about the shape of the earth.
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Does "equality" even matter to Jesus?

I am curious to hear you guys' thoughts on the issue of "equality", and whether it even matters to Jesus. I've heard many on the political left argue that it does, though I've heard many others (usually on the political right!) say it doesn't matter, that it's all just "woke" and "Marxism"; and that the only justice important to Christians is that we'll see when Jesus returns.

What do you guys think? I'd encourage everyone to check out this 4-minute video before you reply, as I think it sets good context for some of the dilemma I'm trying to get at with my question. And then let me know what you think, thanks: Login to view embedded media
Equality is a very general term, and whether it's good or bad depends on the degree. People are confused about it.

Equality is opposed to freedom. The more equality, the less freedom. We cannot have absolute equality, which is what communists want.

Basic equality ie having basic human rights is good. What communists want is much more than that, which is not God wants for us. If you don't believe, listen to what Lenin said: "Down with love !"

Leftist equality has nothing to do with Christian love and justice, but many Christian are misled to believe they are connected. If leftist equality is compatible with Christian love, then why communists always persecuted Christians wherever they got into power??
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There’s a Giant Flaw in Human History

Because what you are describing is not what they are reporting, for that the surface deviation plots are much more informative. Some of the Petrie vases differs more than mm's between the highest and lowest points on their surface. Machining tolerances are limits on spreads not medians and averages, I'll have to add in my understanding here. Precision is the reciprocal of a measure of spread, as in when the spread is low the precision is high. Take this with a heap of salt I'm just putting machining terms in terms I normally use.
What is spread. Why did both Max (mean) and Karoly (median) both claim the vases were in the precise class based on this measure. Karoyl explains this measure is the best way to measure the precision of the vase.

I mean we can go back to Dunns team who did the gauge and CT scans. They determine the vases are in the precision class both through the gusge and CT scans. They list the precision on the specific points down the vase. Or the perpendicularity and paralellism.

Max also measures the Parabolic Fit.
The outer and the inner surfaces of the ‘precise’ vases exhibit excellent fit to a parabola with RMS error on the order of 0.005”. For comparison, parabolic fits of the outer surfaces of the ‘imprecise’ artifacts are on the order of 0.030”.
The Petrie vases are not as precise as modern vases or Matt Bealls vases in the precise class.
Nevertheless they fall in the precise class. If Max's precise class is M < 25 thousandths of an inch; then the Petrie vases are in the precise class.
You do understand that the most likely source of modern machining marks, are modern (from the 19th and 20th century) machines?
Yes and this is why its an out of place artifact. That we find maching marks like modern machining on 5,000 year old vases. It is the same for the modern circular saw cuts in the stones. These are out of place signatures and they cannot all be modern fakes. Like someone was going around with a circular saw in the 20th century hacking into Egyptian monuments and works.

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I guess if they can cut granite like a circular saw they can cut vases like a lathe or with some circular cutter.
What Were the Ancient Egyptians Using to Cut Granite ..
Yes, we exclude them. If these precision vases actually were made 5000 years ago, we would expect to keep finding them in new digs.
Lol new digs. I think they have dug up aaabout everything. Unless the authorities are hiding stuff from us. Or a new grave or tomb is found with some vases. Like I said we don't need to do that when theres literally 1,000's already available in museums and private collections.

The best examples have already been found and are in private collections. These are the ones that we need to test as they are the best. But theres 1,000s in museum basements as well lol. Karoly has another two museums to test more vases. One with the Petrie museum and another with the Egyptian Museum in Turin, Italy.
I don't want to nullify anything, but without good provenance no one will ever be convinced that a vase should be taken seriously.
Yes I agree. But I think there is pretty good provedence already on at least some of the vases. Like from the Petrie museum. Put it this way. Do you think they are good enough, round enough to have been turned.

If you were to compare a precision vase sitting in the Petrie museum with a known softer vase handmade with a borestick you will see the difference in signatures just by eye sight. You will see those machine marks on the inside where they have not been fully polished out. Funny enough the exact same machine marks on Bealls vases. Must have used the same maker.
Both made mistakes, both need to go back and redo the analysis and report the radius difference between the minimum and maximum circle covering the perifery of the object. I gave you a picture from ISO 1101 in an earlier post.
Do you mean the difference of the radius from the center point of the vase slice to the outside of the vase at that particular point. Then the error or deviation from a perfect circle for that radial point. This is done for each and every point around each slice.
Why, if they do not have good provenance? A measurement of something you don't know where it came from or what has a happened to it is next to meaningless. If one finds an object beautiful than one should of course display it.
Because lets say that most of the vases have been found now. There are no more. So they are now either in a museum or a private collection. Most of the vases in museums are from Petrie. Yet Petrie gave 100s away as gifts from the same digs. But he gave away the very best ones. The vases that will be the most likely candidates of the precise class.

So if we discount all the private collections then we are probably left with the lesser quality vases even in museums. There will be some. But the majority will be in private collections. So we also need to devise a way to test these private vases so they can be included. It is silly to exclude the majority of the best examples.
If they want the input from the professionals they'll have to put it articles in journals.
Yeah that will come. In the mean time its a bit of fun. But also as I said getting fixated on this specific example takes away from the overall view of out of place works all over the world that lend support for ancient lost advanced tech and knowledge. As with the circular saw cuts and many other examples it gets to a point where you cannot deny something is out of place in ancient times.
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Curious as to what precisely makes Full-Preterism considered an non orthodox heresy?

Your probably not aware that the phrase "second coming" does not exist in the Bible. It is however replete with examples of the coming of the Lord.



The Bible has dozens of examples where the Lord physically and literally came down to earth on certain days to administer judgment, oversee calamity and fulfill promise and prophecy. These days of the Lord where he physically and literally comes down to the planet is where the Bible's doctrine of the coming of the Lord comes hails from. What does not exist in the Bible is the phrase "the second coming." Unlike the phrase "the Trinity" that is also not in the Bible but that at least goes along with what the Bibles teaches. The idea of a "second" coming or advent changes the Bibles teaching on the matter and renders the Bible's prophecy incomprehensible. Which by the way is design of the phrase. To turn peoples eyes away from the supernatural clarity of the Bible's prophecy and turn those eyes to something the Bible does not prophesy at all. Apocalyptic end of the world scenarios. See more...

And you're saying the bible says "He came down physically". Highlight where it says "He came down physically".
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Whose groceries are more Expensive?

The U.S. Labor Department is warning of a potential food crisis linked to the Trump administration’s immigration raids due to a resulting worker shortage.

The shelves are in arrears and what you see is usually last years harvest. If there’s a shortage we’ll see it next year. I’d make a list of the items they’re struggling to get or anticipate to be in limited supply. Stores aren’t the only option but knowing what’s missing helps you to prepare. I use an independent source for my dry goods and have produce too and sell everything in bulk up to 50 pounds.

Although the majority don’t preserve their food it’s worth it to start. There were several items missing from the shelves at Costco and packages are smaller too. Buying direct or with independent suppliers is usually more economical.

~bella
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Stranger Things

According to that video, the situation changed at least 25 years ago.

It was an interesting piece and I’m glad you weighed in.

What I see to day is young white boys being ignored that same way by their female teachers, while the girls are noticed, praised, encouraged, and empowered. I believe that white boys today are responding to the same marginalization that black boys have always been subjected to.

I think you‘re right. What would you tell their parents to help them respond to what they’re experiencing?

but white boys are (in my opinion) more likely to suffer in isolation....which in extremes can result in the sudden violence of a school shooting. But I think both cases of these boys "crashing out" are different only because black boys in the inner cities and white boys in the suburbs have different directions to go under the same impetus.

The media is downplaying the problem but they’re discussing it online. There’s a growing concern about the violence and a narrative is emerging. If an intervention doesn’t happen soon they’ll be labeled as dangers to society and ostracized. Remember the comment from Fox? They already have the solution.

~bella

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Back here again!

Hello everyone, I'm Anne. A new member of the community. I would like to make friends with devout Christian people. Study the words of God together. It is quite rare for me to come across devout Christians in my daily life. Among the people I have met, there are some who can spend two hours discussing the Bible. But not a single moment could be spent discussing the problems of my life. I'm looking for a religious sect. But I don't know which religious sect suits me? I like a religious sect that can assist its members in their daily lives, rather than just having them read the Bible. Because I am currently learning Mandarin Chinese, it would be best if this sect also has a Chinese congregation.
God bless you!
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Faith/Works

In Psalms 119:29-30, he wanted to put false ways far from him, for God to be gracious to him by teaching him to obey His law, and he chose the way of faith by setting it before him, so this has always been the one and only way of salvation by grace through faith in Christ alone. In Titus 2:14, Jesus gave himself to redeem us from all lawlessness and to purify for himself a people of his own possession who are zealous for doing good works, so the way to believe in what Jesus accomplished through the cross is by becoming zealous for doing good works in obedience to God's law (Acts 21:20).
Good works don't lead to Salvation.

The only evedince of Salvation is the Holy Spirit who produces good fruit in us. By His work in us we resemble Christ as Christians more and more.
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Jesus & Social Justice

Then you can clearly see that I read it because it clearly says the circumstances under which as rape victim was to be killed after being raped.

What part of that is not in the Bible?
What it actually says is that if the woman doesn't cry out, it means she wasn't raped. It shows an ignorance of how women actually do respond to rape in real life -- it is men superimposing what makes sense in their imaginations onto women. Today we have actual scientific studies that disprove these notions. Back then, men had to rely on their own imaginations and, of course, foolishly didn't bother to allow women to participate in these decisions.
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Slipped disc

Thank you very much. The next time I see my doctor, I’ll ask him about those medications. I tried CBD, but it didn’t do anything.

The video is great. I laughed more than I have for a long time. It is exactly right.
CBD does not work for everyone. It’s just an option for some. It works best for fibromyalgia and migraines. CBD has potential, but regular marijuana does not. Regular marijuana (delta 9 THC) and what we call gas station marijuana (delta 8 and delta 10 ) just get patients “high” increase the chance of heart attack and stroke as well as increased depression and lack of motivation with no benefit to function in activities of daily living
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Video shows Memorial Hermann nurse telling officers 'I'll let you die' during DWI arrest

Wow, this is unbelievable. This is what happens when when one starts listening to the rhetoric of the left.
You mean like Trump, that was responsible for January 6th. Mel Gibson, Roseanne Bar and Mary Lou Retton, that are all Conservative Christians. That broke laws.
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Morality without Absolute Morality

I didn't, and I've thus far left it up to insinuation and implication by which it can be recognized. And why would I do that? I do that because in my experience, what average supporters mean by moral relativism is actually unconscious subscription to Normative Moral Relativism in which they value diversity and tolerance above all else.
I wouldn't put non-cognitivists in the same category as moral relativists, would you? If not, then there are more than 2 alternatives.
I'm just trying to nudge us away and beyond mere descriptive categories and into prescriptive ones since that's where morality and ethics bare their teeth.
I see all moral statments as descriptions of the one making them (perhaps you could call them that persons wishes, prescriptions?), not reality.
This rhetorical type come back tells me we're on difference conceptual grids, and we're partially talking past each other.
Perhaps, we are.
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Men attend less singles events than women

I think women tend to be more social than men. Women according to some psychologists are "more fun" than men, whatever that is supposed to mean.

I think maybe because men tend to be inflexible in social setups, whatever that is supposed to mean! It gets worse as you get older.
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Heating up down under

That's an assertion - based on what evidence?

The first head of the IPCC was a Christian. There are Christian climatologists.

EG: Dr Katherine Hayhoe is an amazing example of a Christian excelling in science and environmental care. Many “Greenie crusaders” think she is awesome. The UN gave her one of their highest awards - “United Nations Champion of the Earth!” Server Busy

She says there are solid biblical reasons for Christians to get stuck into climate activism even as a Christian longs for the new world. (One day. We don’t know when.) As a result, we have a responsibility to hand over the world to our kids better than the way we inherited it. Indeed - this is standard Reformation thinking - and goes back to John Calvin.

This is a great episode of what is one of the best Christian podcasts on the planet.
The host is Australian Dr John Dickson - who now lives in Wheaton College USA.
I wish more American Christians would listen to this podcast - and especially this episode.
Good Earth
There are Christians (some right here on CF) who believe the earth is flat and they produce a ton of evidence to support that belief. Other Christians cause upheavals by predicting when Jesus is going to return. Like the tread of CF about a Christian who said Jesus would return September 23rd 2025. Lots of Christians have given faulty and misleading information and started panics. Even if that wasn't their intention.
If Russia is still a dictatorship after their oil and gas are gone - maybe. But that's no reflection on wind and solar energy itself.

However, the 'black gold' has propped up many what I would consider to be illegitimate forms of government, start many wars, and oppress many people.
People are going to capitalize and exploit the Green Industry as much as they have with everything else. 150 years ago they were most likely doing so with the horse and buggy industry.
Absolutely incorrect. Yes - it's tricky.
But the epidemiological studies try to eliminate for the noise.
It's what medicine and science are all about.


No - I do not. You are avoiding valid questions about the POLLUTING, CORRUPTING, and VANISHING nature of fossil fuels. Let's run those 3 by renewables:-

POLLUTING? Where renewables do have some environmental footprint as they are mined, at least the air will be vastly cleaner.

CORRUPTING? Wind and solar operate best by Overbuilding them and connecting them up across vast continent-wide super-grids, which will encourage co-operation between nations.

VANISHING: They're renewable. They're not vanishing.
All that goes into making windmills needs to be taken into consideration. That's megatons of metal. What energy source is used to power windmill plants? Check out windmill junk yards.
Excellent - I totally agree!


You assert and assert. But what data have you contributed?
I'm not a Climate Change enthusiast or a wanabe scientist.
Every time I discuss this with someone from MAGA who vaguely hedges their bets by asserting "Oh it's real - except it's not - they're exaggerating" - they make vague assertions, get tired, and run away.

Are you humble enough to ask yourself, what if you're wrong? What if peer-reviewed science in this case shows a real and present danger RIGHT NOW to the world, one that is gradually snowballing into something even more potentially harmful for our children, and disastrous for our grandchildren?
My being right or wrong isn't going to matter any. The situation is going to proceed the same with or without me being in Climate Change Panic.
Neither is suffocating to death with pollution particulate late stage emphysema, or being a Ukrainian killed by Russian drones and missiles and tanks and armies all funded by gas and oil, or being an African farmer starving to death because the rains failed, because the measurable extra energy in the atmosphere moved the rainfall away from his country.

Climate change IS tricky. The raw principles are quite basic - we KNOW CO2 and methane and other gases trap heat, and by how much. But where that heat goes and what it is going to do? That's tricky, and deals with the vastly complex interactions between 2 major chaotic systems - the oceans and atmosphere!

But huge, broad, general patterns are emerging - and they are NOT good!

But there are still surprises. Sometimes it seems, in little corners of the world, there are areas where human models are wrong! The oceans off the East coast of Australia surprised the climatologists recently. There's something tricky going on with the water circulation and behaviour down in Antarctica at the moment.

In other words - the climate experts ARE telling us when they don't know certain things or were caught off guard by new trends! If you're listening. If you are open to paying attention to what they say.

Generally, though? Climate change IS a nightmare. We are changing the chemical composition of the atmosphere by doubling one of its key heat trapping gases - a gas that lasts hundreds to thousands of years.

How is that in any way a "conservative" action?
Okay, well I'll leave you to worry over it.
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Trump’s Name Chanted in Israel AND Gaza After Peace Deal: ‘Nobel Prize to Trump!’

Why should Trump be considered for the Nobel peace prize? He's been sabre-rattling over Greenland with Denmark and over the Panama canal with Panama. He's also been creating a trade war with China and joked about annexing Canada. These are not the actions of someone that:

"... and one part to the person who has done the most or best to advance fellowship among nations, the abolition or reduction of standing armies, and the establishment and promotion of peace congresses."

Taken from here:
Full text of Alfred Nobel´s will - NobelPrize.org

But I'm not going to try to defend all earlier recipients. Perhaps next year, if the peace between Israel and Hamas has come into effect and is still on-going and if he's not creating conflicts somewhere else.
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Are the Jews Israel, or is the church Israel? Or does it depend on the context of the passage?

There are two Israel's

The First is the physical descendants of Jacob by blood - sometimes a Nation, sometimes not.

The Second is the the spiritual descendants of Abraham 'The Father of all who have faith' which includes the Body of Christ and all believers back to Adam, saved by the Blood of the Cross.

As Paul said regarding the Jews "they are not all Israel who are Israel."

To be Israel in any way, physical or spiritual, it is not sufficient to have descended from Abraham. Abraham has many children other than with Sarah (Genesis 25:1-4)

You will need to descend from Isaac and Jacob as well. That is what Romans 9:6-13 is about

When God tells Israel he is the God of Israel, he always mention all 3 forefathers, not just Abraham.
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Emergency abortion denials by Catholic hospitals put woman in danger, after her water broke at 17 weeks, lawsuit claims

The Catholic Church teaches direct abortion is always gravely immoral. There is a moral way to handle a situation like this. This is how Google explains it:


Based on Catholic moral teaching, the moral response to a woman's water breaking at 17 weeks focuses on protecting and preserving the lives of both the mother and the unborn child to the fullest extent possible. Since the fetus is not viable at 17 weeks, this creates a complex situation guided by the principle of double effect. [1, 2, 3, 4]


Here is a breakdown of the moral considerations and options from a Catholic perspective.
1. Wait and observe ("expectant management")
The initial moral action is to closely monitor the health of both the mother and the child.
  • Preventing infection: The primary risk after premature rupture of membranes (PROM) is infection (chorioamnionitis), which is life-threatening for both the mother and child.
  • Antibiotics: Expectant management will likely involve administering antibiotics to the mother to prevent the onset of a dangerous uterine infection.
  • Pray and hope: This approach respects the life of the unborn child as long as possible, in the hope that the pregnancy can continue safely, even though the chances of survival are extremely low at this stage. [5, 6, 7, 8, 9]
2. The principle of double effect
If the mother's health deteriorates and her life becomes endangered by an infection, the principle of double effect provides a moral framework for intervention. This principle allows for a good action that has a foreseen but unintended bad outcome. [1, 2, 10, 11, 12]
For an intervention to be morally permissible:
  • The action itself must be morally good or neutral (e.g., treating an infection).
  • The good effect (saving the mother) is intended, while the bad effect (the death of the fetus) is not.
  • The bad effect cannot be the means to achieve the good effect.
  • There must be a serious reason for allowing the bad effect to occur. [1, 2, 13, 14, 15]
3. Inducing labor to treat a pathology
If an infection develops, it creates a "proportionately serious pathological condition of a pregnant woman". Under the principle of double effect, a doctor could induce labor to expel the infected tissue and membranes from the mother's body, which is a morally acceptable act.
  • Intention: The intention is not to kill the baby but to cure the mother of a life-threatening infection. The baby's death is a tragic, unavoidable side effect.
  • Action: The action is directed at treating the mother's pathology, not at harming the child.
  • Distinction from direct abortion: This differs from a direct abortion, which intentionally ends the child's life and is never permissible in Catholic teaching. [2, 13, 16, 18, 19]
4. What is not permissible
  • Direct abortion: It is not morally permissible to directly or intentionally terminate the pregnancy simply because the water broke. Catholic teaching holds that abortion is wrong from conception onward and is a direct attack on innocent life.
  • Preemptive induction: Inducing labor before any risk of infection or other serious maternal complication has developed is considered a direct abortion and is not permissible. This is a key point of disagreement among Catholic ethicists, with some facilities more permissive than others. However, a manual for Catholic hospital ethics committees warns that "the mere rupture of membranes, without infection, is not serious enough to sanction interventions that will lead to the death of the child". [7, 20, 21, 22, 23]
In summary, the moral Catholic approach to premature rupture of membranes at 17 weeks involves:
  1. Using expectant management and antibiotics to monitor the situation while trying to preserve both lives.
  2. If the mother develops a life-threatening uterine infection, inducing labor to expel the infected tissue is considered a morally licit treatment of the mother's pathology, guided by the principle of double effect. [6, 13, 24, 25]
AI responses may include mistakes.
[1] Early Pregnancy Complications and the Ethical and Religious Directives
[2] Early Pregnancy Complications and the Ethical and Religious Directives
[3] Ethical directives and the care of pregnant women in Catholic hospitals - TheCatholicSpirit.com
[4] https://www.aapc.com/discuss/threads/induced-delivery-at-17-weeks-due-to-premature-rupture-of-membranes.182647/
[5] What It Means If Your Water Breaks Too Early in Pregnancy - Valley Perinatal Services
[6] https://www.pillarcatholic.com/p/what-is-the-catholic-response-to
[7] Managing Abnormal Pregnancies Prior to Viability
[8] https://www.rossfellercasey.com/news/is-the-intrauterine-infection-chorioamnionitis-preventable/
[9] Filing A Chorioamnionitis Lawsuit
[10] https://www.pillarcatholic.com/p/what-is-the-catholic-response-to
[11] https://www.pillarcatholic.com/p/what-is-the-catholic-response-to
[12] https://www.ncbcenter.org/messages-from-presidents/a-false-charge-against-catholic-health-care
[13] https://www.pillarcatholic.com/p/what-is-the-catholic-response-to
[14] https://bobcat-lilac-tcn4.squarespace.com/s/NCBCsummFAQ_EarlyInductionCORREX.pdf
[15] https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC6027086/
[16] What is the Catholic response to medical emergencies during pregnancy?
[17] Making Sense of Bioethics: Column 102: Ethical Directives and the Care of Pregnant Women in Catholic Hospitals — The National Catholic Bioethics Center
[18] https://www.detroitcatholic.com/news/ectopic-pregnancies-miscarriage-abortion-is-never-necessary-these-doctors-say
[19] Bpas
[20] Roman Catholic Church Quickening | Embryo Project Encyclopedia
[21] When There's a Heartbeat: Miscarriage Management in Catholic-Owned Hospitals - PMC
[22] The Bioethics of High-Risk Pregnancy — The National Catholic Bioethics Center
[23] Early Pregnancy Complications and the Ethical and Religious Directives
[24] https://www.cathmed.org/resources/ma-and-ncbc-respond-to-misleading-statement-from-the-american-college-of-obstetricians-and-gynecologists-and-physicians-for-reproductive-healthabortion-can-be-medically-necessary/
[25] https://bobcat-lilac-tcn4.squarespace.com/s/NCBCsummFAQ_EarlyInductionCORREX.pdf

I read through most of what the AI generated answer says and from what I can tell, it is accurate.
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Charlie Kirk - Martyr or Political Activist?

The lack of questions regarding his background and resources is concerning. I observed similar behavior with Donald Trump and signs of hero worship. I see long-term problems with each and related risks I want no part of that’s why I stepped back. Everyone must decide for themselves.

~bella
Some of us have investigated it and concluded that the people that made that rise in resources happen were acting in good faith and with reasonable motives. That said this sponsorship warped his agenda on the political stuff he got wrong like with Trumps stolen election lie, global warming and COVID.
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