ozso said:

Campaign 2026: "If you had voted Democrat instead of Republican, those children would still be alive".

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Sounds like the past 50 years of the pro-life GOP.

JohnB445 said:

That the Bible is the word of God, that Jesus is God in the flesh.

Now when it comes to salvation, or any other topic what can all Christians agree on?

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1. God the Father and God the Son (and I wish I could add "God the Holy Spirit" but I think there are some folks that might not agree with that one"
2. Forgiveness of sins comes because of Christ's death -- atoning sacrifice - substitutionary atonement
3. Heaven is real
4. Angels are real
5. Sin will end - righteousness will prevail

rjs330 said:

Well apparently they are being investigated for it.

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Says who?

rjs330 said:

And i hope they are prosecuted for hiring illegals.

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That's not happening, generally, under Trump 2.0.

Non-Catholics are not allowed to post in this forum? Because I was neither teaching nor debating, but merely asked a probing question.

jacks said:

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I don't know if it weakens our military. If this guy came at me with an AR, I would surrender immediately!

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Just misgender them and escape between the tears and lecture on pronouns.

Paulwat said:

Yes, there are millions of adults that are fans of MLP

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Oh strange. Learn something new every day.

Why are adults watching cartoons for little girls?

Strong in Him said:

Who are "they" and who says they "expect us to believe" that a car is floating around in space?

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Musk & co

Strong in Him said:

So no, no one believes that a car was driven into space

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I should hope not as that would be more ludicrous than a car being actually up there.

BNR32FAN said:

Yeah you’re not the only one who pays attention to the Greek and Hebrew definitions. Can you please post any source that supports your claim about the definition of kolasi? I can

Strong's Greek: 2851. κόλασις (kolasis) -- Punishment, correction

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This is from Grok - notice that it says chastisement, typically with a corrective or disciplinary purpose, if God wanted to use punitive punishment he would have used timoria not kolasis.

The Greek word κόλασις (kolasis) in Jesus’s time (circa 1st century CE) primarily meant punishment, correction, or chastisement, often with an emphasis on discipline or retribution intended to correct or reform the offender. Its meaning and usage can be understood through its etymology, contemporary texts, and cultural context.

Definition and Meaning​

• Primary Meaning: In classical and Koine Greek (the dialect of the New Testament), kolasis referred to punishment or chastisement, typically with a corrective or disciplinary purpose. It was distinct from other Greek terms for punishment, like timoria (τιμωρία), which often implied vengeance or punishment for the sake of retribution without necessarily aiming at reform.
• Corrective Nuance: Kolasis often carried the connotation of punishment intended to improve or correct the behavior of the recipient, such as pruning a plant to promote growth or disciplining a person to guide them toward better conduct.
• New Testament Usage: In the New Testament, kolasisappears only twice:
  • Matthew 25:46: Jesus speaks of the final judgment, where the unrighteous go into “αἰώνιον κόλασιν” (aionion kolasin), often translated as “eternal punishment.” The phrase’s interpretation varies, with some emphasizing eternal torment and others a corrective process, depending on theological perspectives.
  • 1 John 4:18: Here, kolasis is used in the sense of “punishment” tied to fear, as in “There is no fear in love, but perfect love casts out fear, because fear has to do with punishment (kolasis).”

Etymology and Origin​

• Root: The word kolasis derives from the verb κολάζω (kolazō), meaning “to curtail, prune, dock, or chastise.” This verb is related to the idea of cutting back or restraining, as in pruning branches or curbing behavior.
• Indo-European Connection: The root kol- may trace back to Indo-European origins, related to ideas of cutting or shaping, which aligns with the corrective aspect of the word (e.g., pruning to shape a plant).
• Development: In earlier Greek literature (e.g., Plato, Aristotle), kolasis was used to describe punishment aimed at moral improvement or societal order, contrasting with timoria, which was more about satisfying justice or vengeance.

Usage 2,000 Years Ago​

• Philosophical Contexts: In classical Greek texts (e.g., Plato’s Gorgias or Aristotle’s Nicomachean Ethics), kolasis often referred to disciplinary punishment, such as penalties imposed by a state or educator to reform the offender. For example, Plato distinguished kolasis (corrective) from timoria (retributive).
• Legal and Social Contexts: In legal settings, kolasis could describe punishments like fines, imprisonment, or other penalties aimed at deterring or reforming rather than merely avenging a crime.
• Everyday Usage: In Koine Greek, as seen in papyri and other non-literary sources, kolasis might refer to practical punishments, such as a parent disciplining a child or a master correcting a slave, emphasizing correction over cruelty.
• Religious Contexts: In Jewish and early Christian contexts, kolasis could take on eschatological meanings, as seen in Matthew 25:46, where it describes divine judgment. The term’s corrective nuance may have influenced interpretations, with some Jewish and Christian thinkers viewing divine punishment as potentially restorative, though others saw it as final retribution.

Cultural and Linguistic Context​

• Greek Thought: The corrective aspect of kolasis resonated with Greek ideas of education (paideia) and moral improvement, where punishment was seen as a tool for shaping character or society.
• Jewish Influence: In the Septuagint (LXX, the Greek translation of the Hebrew Bible), kolasis and related terms were used to translate Hebrew words for divine chastisement, often with a restorative purpose (e.g., God’s discipline of Israel to bring repentance).
• Hellenistic Syncretism: In Jesus’s time, Judea was under Hellenistic influence, and kolasis would have been understood in light of both Greek philosophical ideas and Jewish theological concepts of divine justice.

Summary​

Around 2,000 years ago, kolasis meant punishment or chastisement, typically with a corrective or disciplinary aim, rooted in the verb kolazō (“to prune, restrain”). It was used in philosophical, legal, social, and religious contexts to describe penalties meant to reform or deter, distinct from purely retributive punishment. In the New Testament, it appears in contexts of divine judgment and fear of punishment, with its precise interpretation shaped by theological debates. Its etymology and usage reflect a focus on correction, like pruning a plant or guiding a person, though its application in eschatological texts like Matthew 25:46 has led to varied interpretations.

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essentialsaltes said:

In neighboring Orange County.

Immigrant father of three Marines is violently detained, injured by federal agents, son says​

The Marine veteran says his father, Narciso Barranco, was working [as a landscaper] outside of a Santa Ana IHOP on Saturday when several masked men approached him. Frightened, he began to run away, his son said. Moments later, he was on the ground, held down by the men, who struck him.

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Father of three Marines beaten by masked federal agents, set to be released from immigration facility​

The father of three U.S. Marines who was violently tackled and beaten by masked federal agents in Orange County is scheduled to be released on bond after spending 20 days in federal custody.

Narciso Barranco, an undocumented immigrant who has lived in the United States for decades, is married to a U.S. citizen and is father to two active-duty American Marines and one veteran, was ordered by an immigration judge Thursday to be released on a $3,000 bond, according to his family.

Barranco applied for parole-in-place, which allows certain undocumented immigrants to remain in the country pending a change in their immigration status.

Orange Councilmember Arianna Barrios attended Thursday’s hearing to show her support for the Tustin resident.

“Today was a good day in this new battle for civil rights, due process and humanitarian principles,” Barrios said in a Facebook post. “Mr Barranco will be released on bond sometime tomorrow (Friday) afternoon, God willing! He can remain free until mid-August, where he will have another hearing to try and adjust his status to parole-in-place...”

Sabbath was communal as it was stated when given from Yahweh, the one God, in the clearest way. So everyone needed the same day of the week for it, the seventh, and it was continually observed that way, starting with when the sun was just set on what is Friday, until the end of the day when the sun has set, on what is Saturday. This God meant for all generations, and so in fact it was never rescinded, and people still observe Sabbath this way, while mostly it is Jewish people observing to have Sabbath with rest from any work then, but others do too, yet many others call Sunday the Sabbath, though there is nothing from revelation as basis for that.

tall73 said:

Your point about design from the beginning was not contested by me. God only gave meat to eat after the flood.

However, simply associating it with other things Jesus said about the original design does not address the issue, for the following reasons:

• In the case of the hardness of heart for divorce, Jesus said it was not so from the beginning. And He specifically said what God joined together let no man put asunder. Jesus clearly opposed divorce. This is in keeping with the statement in the old testament that God hates divorce.
• However, Jesus did not take the same stand with eating meat. In fact, while you contest that Jesus at the fish in Luke 24, he endorsed fish as a good gift a father gives to his children in Luke as well:

Luk 11:11 If a son shall ask bread of any of you that is a father, will he give him a stone? or if he ask a fish, will he for a fish give him a serpent? 12 Or if he shall ask an egg, will he offer him a scorpion? 13 If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children: how much more shall your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to them that ask him?​

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• Jesus taught people not to divorce, but gave fish to thousands:

Matthew 15:35 So He commanded the multitude to sit down on the ground. 36 And He took the seven loaves and the fish and gave thanks, broke them and gave them to His disciples; and the disciples gave to the multitude. 37 So they all ate and were filled, and they took up seven large baskets full of the fragments that were left.​

• Jesus gave fish to His own disciples to eat:

Joh 21:12 Jesus saith unto them, Come and dine. And none of the disciples durst ask him, Who art thou? knowing that it was the Lord. 13 Jesus then cometh, and taketh bread, and giveth them, and fish likewise.​

You have to account for these differences.

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Only one thing was called very good. God never called anything else in the Bible "Very good." I do think some things were added. But I can't prove it so I don't have to persuade you of that.

tall73 said:

You can get grass fed meat from regenerative farms that do not put animals in feed lots, or pump them full of antibiotics, etc.

If eating an animal is by definition abuse, then you have to explain why God said:

Deuteronomy 12:20 “When the Lord your God enlarges your border as He has promised you, and you say, ‘Let me eat meat,’ because you long to eat meat, you may eat as much meat as your heart desires.​

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I posted the text where He spoke against Jonah because the prophet was angry God was merciful to those who repented, and God had compassion on even the livestock.

God did not speak against eating animals. He commanded the priests to eat portions of animals. He commanded the Israelites to eat Passover. He said they could eat as much meat as they desired.

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There are more verses in the Bible for this, but it takes time I don't have now to collect them. God's will is shown in the beginning and I see that is enough. You can still choose to do otherwise, anyway.

ralliann said:

Hamas is still holding hostages, still endangering their people, by refusing to give them up and their tactics of warfare to use them as shields.

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Hamas is a terrorist group, that's to be expected.

ralliann said:

There are no war crimes on Israels part.

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A Massive Database of Evidence, Compiled by a Historian, Documents Israel's War Crimes in Gaza

A woman with a child is shot while waving a white flag ■ Starving girls are crushed to death in line for bread ■ A cuffed 62-year-old man is run over, evidently by a tank ■ An aerial strike targets people trying to help a wounded boy ■ A database of thousands of videos, photos, testimonies, reports and investigations documents the horrors committed by Israel in Gaza

There are links to texts and other kinds of testimony describing acts attributed to IDF soldiers who were seen "shooting civilians waving white flags, abuse of individuals, captives and corpses, gleefully damaging or destroying houses, various structures and institutions, religious sites and looting personal belongings, as well as randomly firing their weapons, shooting local animals, destroying private property, burning books within libraries, defacing Palestinian and Islamic symbols (including burning Qurans and turning mosques into dining spaces)."

Link to the database: "Bearing Witness to the Israel-Gaza War"

Xeno.of.athens said:

Catholic theology distinguishes between the imputation of Adam's sin and the infusion of Christ's righteousness.

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However, Scripture presents the imputation of Adam's sin Ro 5:17-19, 14-16) to all those of Adam as the pattern (Ro 5:14) for the imputation of Christ's righteousness (Ro 5:18-19, 3:21, 4:5, 13, 9:30, 10:6, Gal 3:16, Php 3:9) to all those of Christ.

ThatRobGuy said:

You have it backwards, it's not the "pro border enforcement" position that's appealing to victimization and emotion.

"Their country is extremely poor, we should be welcoming"
"The reason their country is in shambles and they feel need to move is because of US corporatist policies"
"The policy of enforcing border restrictions is causing family separation"
"People just don't want them coming here because they're racist and don't want brown people in their country"


Those are are arguments appealing to emotion and victimization.

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Obviously you don't think those are cogent arguments, which is why you don't understand the protesting.

rjs330 said:

Yeah that argument is a trope. The moment you decide to use race as an excuse you have left the realm of cogent argument into the realm of emotional victimization.

When it is said that people are coming illegally, and tge response is, "you just dint want brown people here," then one is no longer arguing whether or not people are violating the law, but instead one has no cogent answer, so one appeals to emotions. And its the worst kind of appeal because its a character assassination. Pushing people to defend themselves instead of defending the point.

So you accuse others of doing something you are doing yourself. Even though someone never even mentioned race, you do.

Immigration law has prohibitions on anyone. Not just brown people. We expect everyone to abide by the law. No one has a right to come here just because they want to. And one who comes here illegally has no right to stay. There are those who come with permission, who also may have those permissions removed.

Your trope is only based upon race. An emotional attack designated to create an emotional response. No substantive argument is used.

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ThatRobGuy said:

My argument is simply:
Do you want me to provide roads that adequately will support all the traffic?
Do you want me to know how many police, EMT, and firemen this city needs?
Do you want me to know roughly what size school we need to build and how many teachers to hire?
Do you want me to know how much land we need to approve for residential vs. commercial use?
Do you want me to know how large of a hospital this town needs?

If the answer to those questions is "Yes", then I need to have a rough idea of how to estimate how many people I can expect to have here.

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Of course, and those things are routinely considered by any municipality when a population increase is considered.

ThatRobGuy said:

And it should be noted, the need for specificity increases as the robustness of the social safety nets increase. It's no coincidence that the nations that have some of the most generous social safety nets have some of the strictest immigration laws. "Free healthcare and free college tuition for everyone" planning requires being able to come up with a fairly precise headcount.

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You don't understand the argument. It's not really about race, it's about culture. Didn't somebody in this thread mention attacks on "Judeo-Christian" culture? To the extent that the deportations effort of the administration are tainted by notions of the "Great Replacement" they are reprehensible and should be protested. Trump got a big swing vote on the practical problems of immigration. But now that we see his culture warriors at work we are appalled. Trump and Noem have come out and said specifically that one of their main goals in LA is to free the people of the city of "tyrannical socialist government"--and other blue cities when they get around to it. That wasn't what the anti-immigration swing voters really wanted.

Ray got eventually no tickets

CMIFB

John,
Yes it’s real. The first thing that Jesus hugely warned me about was false teaching and witchcraft.
They lived all over the place where I lived and came after me horribly. It was terrifying as I never knew that stuff ever existed.
In the 1990’s, our government sandblasted the Ten Commandments off of all public buildings, so God lifted his hand of protection from USA and this country was given to a spirit of witchcraft. September 11th 2001 happened, by the way.
I met Jesus in 2017...

What Is the Church’s Teaching on Yoga?​

Follow what the Catholic Church teaches.

Obviously this particular source has a bias, but I think some of the data points are still worth discussing given that there are still proposals out there for rent control.


Rental listings in Buenos Aires increased by 180% after Milei repealed rent control laws.
Real (inflation-adjusted) rents fell by 40% year-over-year following deregulation.
Property sales transactions in Buenos Aires exceeded 2023 levels by 35% in early 2024.
Mortgage-backed home sales in Buenos Aires tripled in 2024 compared to 2023.

I've noted before that rent controls are one of the few areas where economists from across the spectrum seem to be in agreement (Paul Krugman, Thomas Sowell, and Milton Friedman have all criticized the practice)

Is it time we start thinking about doing the same here in some cities where rent control has been grandfathered in?

Given the fact that in many of the US cities where these policies are still in play:
- a disproportionate number are occupied by affluent tenants (who've lived their for a long time, and their financial situation has changed quite a bit since they initially moved in decades ago)
- about 1 in 4 landlords leave the controlled units vacant, as there's no real incentive to rent it out since repairs and appliance replacements can exceed what they'd make on rent
- a substantial number of them get passed from family down to other family members, so it's still boxing a lot of people out of being able to take advantage of them

Earthbear said:

I think regardless of how people feel about the president people should pray for him.

As president of the US, he has to deal with tremendous forces and pressures of the job, spiritual and mundane.

I don't believe he is a perfect person but no one is perfect, everyone in the Bible has sinned, Moses smashed the tablets and killed someone, David had an affair, Saul tried to kill David, Samson broke his oath.

Rather than express hatred and resentment towards Trump, we should be sympathetic to the fallen condition of humanity and understanding. As a person Trump has faced numerous attempts on his life as well as persecution

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Matthew 25:41-43

“The King will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me.’ 41 “Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. 42 For I was hungry and you gave me no food, I was thirsty and you gave me no drink, 43 I was a stranger and you did not invite me in, I needed clothes and you did not clothe me, I was sick and in prison and you did not look after me.’

We can pray for him and continue to acknowledge our fallen world however , it does not release us from His mandate. We must continue to do our Father's will. Jesus Christ of Nazareth made it very clear to all of us in the verses above.

We can not ingored this any longer.

Blessings

On May 29, 10 days following a joint statement made by Canada, France and the UK which told Israel it was behaving in a way which righteous countries would not put up with, a communion of Canadian religious sisters wrote to Prime Minister Mark Carney to express “gratitude for, and solidarity with” the position.

Srs. Margo Ritchie and Linda Haydock, on behalf of some 30 religious congregations in Canada, wrote that the situation in Gaza was desperate.

“For months now, humanitarian supplies have been blocked from entering Gaza. Community kitchens are closed. Warehouses are empty. War-traumatized families, including children, are slowly starving.”

Though Ritchie and Haydock called on Hamas to release the “remaining hostages,” the blame for the humanitarian crisis was laid squarely at the feet of Israel.

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Rejecting federal money in 2021 because....

In 2021, Kerr County was awarded a $10.2 million windfall from the American Rescue Plan Act, or ARPA, which Congress passed that same year to support local governments impacted by the pandemic. Cities and counties were given flexibility to use the money on a variety of expenses, including those related to storm-related infrastructure. Corpus Christi, for example, allocated $15 million of its ARPA funding to “rehabilitate and/or replace aging storm water infrastructure.” Waco’s McLennan County spent $868,000 on low water crossings.

Kerr County did not opt for ARPA to fund flood warning systems despite commissioners discussing such projects nearly two dozen times since 2016. In fact, a survey sent to residents about ARPA spending showed that 42% of the 180 responses wanted to reject the $10 million bonus altogether, largely on political grounds.

“I’m here to ask this court today to send this money back to the Biden administration, which I consider to be the most criminal treasonous communist government ever to hold the White House,” one resident told commissioners in April 2022, fearing strings were attached to the money.

“We don't want to be bought by the federal government, thank you very much,” another resident told commissioners. “We'd like the federal government to stay out of Kerr County and their money.”