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Apple Sky · 2025-11-21T02:02:37-0600

prodromos said:
And in other places it says the earth moves.

Yes by earthquakes, not spinning around in space.

He set the earth on its foundations; it can never be moved. Psalms 104:5

Perpetual Student · 2025-11-21T02:01:34-0600

Servus said:
The people being questioned didn't seem to know much about what they're supposed to know about.

That was obvious.
And so what? Does this invalidate the work of real scientists? Does this negates the knowledge of well informed activists?

The pictures show the deviation of the measured temperature compared to the reference temperature of 1951 to 1980. Red is warmer, blue is cooler. We see that close to the entire world is warmer.

2020

2021

2022

2023

year after year, we see the globe warmer than reference.

Which shows a systematic and progressive warming. A global one.

bob121 · 2025-11-21T01:56:45-0600

RandyPNW said:
Yes. I just suffer knowing these things, that in this fallen world we have to suffer. And being Christians we suffer the rejection of the world around us. These things are extremely painful and difficult to accept. But accept it we must.

I think with me it's more resignation that ambition to suffer. I simply have to relinquish my will when God calls me to suffer whatever I have to suffer. I pray against it, perhaps, but I try to take my concerns to the Lord. Knowing God can relieve us of suffering and still wills that we suffer is one of the hardest things I experience in life.

But you're right. We have to surrender our will and let God have His way, without rebelling, complaining, or losing our spiritual composure. We aren't trying to achieve some superior level of spirituality--just maintain our spirituality and call to endure what God wills that we endure.

We should not prescribe what suffering anybody else has to suffer. We are all individuals. We should always let God speak first, before we judge what somebody else is going through. We can only judge sin--not circumstances.

Thank you so much for your deeply honest post, RandyPNW. Your reflection on the spiritual difficulty of accepting suffering and your focus on resignation over ambition truly resonate. It is indeed one of the hardest things we experience in life—knowing God can relieve us, yet willing that we endure.

My own experience with suffering has drawn me immeasurably closer to God, fostering a deeper trust in His will. I believe this process may be part of His loving plan. When we are comfortable, we humans tend to drift far away from Him, feeling we can reject Him entirely—“Why do I need God when everything is well?”

Yet, when we witness or endure great pain, our cries and pleas go to the One who promises: if you believe in my Son, your suffering here and now is real, but it will pass. When you awaken in glory, all will be forgotten.

May the Lord continue to bless you. Have a wonderful day/night.

Strong in Him · 2025-11-21T01:54:31-0600

Brother Del said:
NASA actually means to deceive in Hebrew. Again, not an argument, just an observation.

It's a false observation.

NBB · 2025-11-21T01:37:13-0600

Whatever happens don't leave the truth and Jesus, keep trying.

bob121 · 2025-11-21T01:34:28-0600

linux.poet said:
A traumatic childhood, a bad forum website (not this one), two good forums incompetently run (also not this one), and so on. Everywhere I go, I peel back the layers of lies, corruption, problems, and issues. The first round was peeling out my dad’s lies and exposing his deeds of darkness. It is this rejection of evil that broke my mind for awhile as I kept going. I couldn’t go along with what other people were doing, and that led to avoiding a lot of wasted time and bad relationships that could have eaten up my life.

linux.poet, I hear you—peeling back those layers of lies and hidden deeds is exhausting work, but it carves out space for truth to breathe. My own childhood carried a different brand of darkness: a father whose rage filled the house. Watching you refuse to pass on any form of darkness is courage in action. Your line “it is this rejection of evil that broke my mind for a while” rings true—saying no can feel like shattering yourself, yet that very break becomes the doorway for Christ to rebuild. Keep shining the torch; your steadfastness teaches awareness and discernment birthed from hard years. There seems to be a connection between difficult upbringings and discernment—pain can sharpen the senses. Thank you for being a voice that names what must be named—your labour on the forums is seen and deeply appreciated.

Apple Sky · 2025-11-21T01:34:09-0600

Know Ice claims kills suspicions.

RIOLM

RamiC · 2025-11-21T01:30:25-0600

SarahsKnight said:
I mean, when He told us to "love your enemies, and pray for those who persecute you", of course we were all supposed to understand that, all the while, the One who commanded us to love our enemies is planning to torture His enemies alive for eternity. >_>

21 “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. 22 Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your name perform many miracles?’ 23 Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’ Matthew 7 NIV

He either did say this, or He did not say it.

Since this is from a Gospel, and it is His words, you need some way to understand it which works better than arguing that "Love your enemies" means He is as bad a judge as us. His judgement is that of an omniscient, omnipresent, Creator of all things, who was willing to join us, as one of us, and suffer death (which He did not need to do, He chose), for us. We do not possess the same credibility.

lucypevensie · 2025-11-21T01:23:39-0600

Holiday season

Servus · 2025-11-21T01:19:09-0600

rjs330 said:
Lol, every bit of that proves my point. Nobody has anything on Trump. If they did, it would have been used against him.

But you aee apparently still convinced otherwise.

He's gotta be guilty. He's gotta be. We've waited so long for this to dethrone him..

Brother Del · 2025-11-21T01:19:01-0600

Professor Heihnsohn, to the best of my knowledge died an unbeliever, that should in no way detract from the importance of his well documented research and purely scientific observations.

"History is a set of lies agreed upon."
Napolean

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David Lamb · 2025-11-21T01:18:10-0600

CLEEB said:
Because Adam wasn’t deceived and Eve was is proof of free will because if there was no free will their response would have been the same. It shows a difference in wills between Adam and Eve. Why is it so difficult to see that both Adam and Eve did not acquire the knowledge of good and evil until Adam ate the forbidden fruit ? In order to sin you must have the knowledge of good and evil and do the evil instead of the good. James 4:17 Adams sin was unique because it determined the course of humanity our sins do not. Today every man dies for his own sin. Adam and Eve at their creation were not innocent of sin because they were righteous but because they were ignorant.

But Eve being deceived was before the Fall. Our state by nature since the Fall has been slavery/bondage to sin. That is why we need the Saviour to grant us freedom:

“34 Jesus answered them, “Most assuredly, I say to you, whoever commits sin is a slave of sin. 35 “And a slave does not abide in the house forever, but a son abides forever. 36 “Therefore if the Son makes you free, you shall be free indeed.” (Joh 8:34-36 NKJV)

bob121 · 2025-11-21T01:14:19-0600

BibleBeliever1611 said:
Singing a hymn out loud, could be any hymn

Love your profile pic, BibleBeliever1611—and your one-liner is nice and simple, yet truly profound.

bob121 · 2025-11-21T01:12:10-0600

essentialsaltes said:
I'm tucked in a little corner of unincorporated Los Angeles County, with good views of downtown LA. This image is my profile banner, so this was taken a few years ago and from a park not far from home, but the view is pretty similar to the real one out my window. We've had a lot of rain (for desert Los Angeles) this November, and there's a little snow on the tallest hills, similar to what's shown below. I do get joy looking out the window on 'my' city.

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Very nice contrast—modern human progress and those mighty mountains in the background. All of it shouts God’s handiwork: the city He lets us build and the un-movable peak He spoke into being. On a clear day Fuji reminds me He’s still the greater Architect. Thank you for sharing His glory from your window—have a wonderful day/night.

Brother Del · 2025-11-21T00:50:42-0600

If anyone wants to be His disciple, which I presume should be the goal of every born again believer, they need to die.

The only people who don't sin are dead people.

Which is why Christ told us to take up our own cross and follow Him.

We die to the world, die to ourselves, and Christ lives through us by His Holy Spirit.

That's the model. That's how its supposed to work.

The sad truth is, that most people who claim to be followers of Christ, don't study their bibles, don't have a prayer life, are never discipled by a mature older brother or sister, seldom hear the truth from the pulpit, and the person to their right and to their left in that pew on Sunday, is in the exact same sad situation as they are.

The good news is... well, its the Good News, if a person truly repents and places their trust in Christ at any point in their lives, God in His infinite mercy and wisdom will redeem them and regenerate them. And at some point, regardless of the circumstances, in His good timing and according to His own will, and for His own glory, He will enlighten their hearts and minds and call them out of the darkness.

How do I know this to be true? Because He did it for me, and many others like me.

In my own estimation, my prayer life sucks, not because I don't have one, but because I do, and its amazing, and I know how much better it could be. My time in the word also leaves much to be desired, not because I do not spend time in His word, but because I know I don't spend nearly enough time in His word, and every time I do, He never fails to give to me some deeper knowledge than I possessed the day before. My obedience also sucks, not because I live in sin, but because He has made me so sensitive to the leading of His Spirit that I find it hard to balance my everyday life with those things I feel led by Him to do.

The reality of this spiritual life we are now living, is that once we truly see Him for who He is, and ourselves for who we truly are, we will never be satisfied no matter how much of Him we receive, or how much of ourselves we give.

If this resonates with anyone, then please accept this humble exhortation. Cultivate a life of prayer. Rise early and seek His face, open up your hearts and mouths to Him daily, take the time to get to know your Father intimately, and prepare to be amazed. I did, and I can sincerely say, its the single most important action I have ever taken.

I'm so far from what I am called to be that I cannot put it into words. But neither can I adequately express how much love and compassion and tenderness and joy and satisfaction I have received and continue to receive from my Father, and that even on my worst days. And I often find that it is in those worst moments, that He actually reveals His deep love for me the most.

Imagine the worlds greatest Dad, teaching His blind, deaf and lame son, how to ride a bicycle. If you can imagine that, minus a few meaningless details, you now know the story of my life.

Father have mercy.
Christ have mercy.
Holy Spirit lift the veil.

Unqualified · 2025-11-21T00:29:07-0600

Made some 405 grain yesterday. 64 ezactly. Only took about 2 hours ladle pouring. More speed, less internal ballistic pressure, less drop, more powder. Just about gave up on shooting to 200 with any accuracy. It said would drop 23.3. Little did I know it was moa, which translates to about 48 inches @200. I can make it shoot flatter.

Marilyn C · 2025-11-21T00:11:36-0600

eclipsenow said:
It's a sermon on suffering, so of COURSE it reminds his audience that one day the Lord will return.
The problem for those that want to read it as a future timetable is this happens many times in the book!
EG: The Lord returns at the end of Chapter 6! And there's a triplicate return in 19, 20, 21 - from different 'camera eye' views.
It has the gospel events dressed up in picture language.

It's too all Christians across all time, reminding us that if our governments turn on us - to trust in the Lord with great patience. We're also warned not to be seduced by the wealth of our nations, and trust in those. (Rev 13 has the mark has an alternative Shema prayer to money and the state, rather than God.)

So once again.

IF I gave you a 'prophecy' about a battle on Mars in the year 4000 AD and said "OBEY IT!" - wouldn't that be nonsensical?

John is trying to identify with his mission field. Trying to comfort brothers and sisters in Christ.
And futurists think he's raving about thousands of years in the future for the majority of the book?
It just doesn't add up!

"Toughen up princess - you've got nothing to worry about! Wait till you see what happens in 2000 years!"

I thought it was `toughing up buttercup.` Anyway thanks for the encouragement!

Now are you telling me that the 7 churches which were in Asia, were the ones going through all the difficulties as shown in Rev. 2 & 3 in John`s time?

rjs330 · 2025-11-21T00:09:29-0600

FAITH-IN-HIM said:
I see you recognize that supporting a government which does not prohibit homosexuality be seen as inconsistent with biblical teachings. So , why don’t you understand that endorsing a government that treats individuals inhumanely is also contradictory to these values.

Easy, because I dont believe scripture was written as a treatise to government to tell them how they ought to operate. What laws they should have and not have.

And I do believe people that are picked up should be treated humanely. I already explained that.

FAITH-IN-HIM said:
Deporting half a family to another country while leaving an eight-year-old child in America is not humane. If you believe otherwise, our views on humanity and the love Jesus taught differ greatly.

I absolutely think that the parents should be able to take the child with them or leave the child. Its no different than sending someone to prison and separating them from their child.

Actually its better than that. People who are sent to prison don't have a choice but to leave their child behind.

At least with illegals they can take the kids with them or leave them.

FAITH-IN-HIM said:
Christians cannot separate government responsibilities they support from individual adherence to Gospel teachings. Whether in their homes, churches, communities, as individuals, members of a church, part of a larger community, or as a nation, practicing the teachings of Jesus is expected in daily life. Distinguishing between personal and communal application does not align with the principles taught by Christ.

I agree, so when you start supporting throwing divorcee's in jail along side homosexuals and liars I will believe you mean what you say.

FAITH-IN-HIM said:
Christians who adhere to the teachings of Christ in their personal lives but support governmental actions that contradict those teachings will be reminded by Jesus on the day of judgment, "I never knew you."

These laws do not contradict scriptural teachings. Immigration law is not a violation of scripture.

Every single detainee should be picked up and treated humanely according to our laws. Just like we treat every prisoner that is arrested for a crime.

They should be clothed, fed, watered, given medical attention and then deported.
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Mark Quayle · 2025-11-21T00:08:31-0600

A Devil's Advocate said:
Being I am not a Calvinist, I am unfamiliar with the acronym T.U.L.I.P. So my reply is based off of what I got from a quick search.

Total Depravity: This assumes that spiritual death is a cessation of the spirit. If this was true, then I would agree with total depravity. However, I do not believe spiritual death to be the cessation of the spirit, but rather the spirit going into a dormant state where it is no longer sensitive to God's presence. But, it is still capable of responding to the convicting work of the Holy Spirit. If our spirit was actually dead, then even the convicting work of the Holy Spirit would be of no use, and we would remain lost.
Also, and I can't say this with absolute certainty, because we are made in the image of God, I believe the cessation of any part of our being: body, soul, or spirit would result in what looks like physical death. God is revealed to us in three persons, but all are still one God. Being in the image of God we too are made up of three parts, as I just described. These three parts are what makes us human. This would explain why in the new age, we receive new physical bodies. Not only to maintain the image of God, but because we cannot exist without all three parts.

Unconditional Election: I heard TD Jakes say once that God choosing to save whomever it is He chooses to save is a great display of His grace because no one deserves salvation. Rather than lose everyone, God chooses to save some. To me this doesn't paint a very attractive picture of God. If God is capable of saving some, then He is clearly capable of saving all, yet chooses not to? This does not sound like the God presented to us in the bible.

Limited Atonement, Irresistible Grace, and Perseverance of the Saints: These next three are all based of the premise that it is our sins that separate us from God. That salvation is found in getting our sins forgiven. This same premise applies to almost all forms of Christianity being preached today.

Ours sins are not the problem. They are not what separates us from God. Our sin is a form of behavior. Our sinful behavior is a symptom of our condition, not the cause. Our condition is that of spiritual death. Spiritual death was the punishment Adam and Eve received for their disobedience. Because spiritual death plus spiritual death will always equal spiritual death, we've all come into the world already spiritually dead (separated from God). The symptom of our condition, being separated from God, is that we sin.

Now because it is not our sins that separate us from God, getting our sins forgiven isn't going to save us. We are saved when we place our faith in God for salvation. The forgiveness of sins is what makes salvation possible. Everyone from the cross forward has come into the world already forgiven of their sins (this was made know when God tore the temple curtain). Salvation however (which is found in the resurrection), only occurs once we place our faith in God. So now if God has forgiven all of mankind, then clearly salvation must also be available to all of mankind.

When the Holy Spirit convicts us, it is not of our sin, but of our unbelief. All sin is forgiven, but our unbelief isn't. This we must choose to repent of.

Because the punishment for all sin was forgiven at the cross, there remains no more punishment to be handed out by God. Because there is no more punishment left to be handed out, there is no longer any possibility of spiritual death, separation from God. Because spiritual death is no longer a possibility, there is no way to lose your salvation, or to wilfully lose it by walking away since you can't wilfully choose to spiritually die. That is in God's hands alone.

Having said all this, in the end, I honestly don't think it matters what one believes in terms of salvation, but rather who we believe in for salvation. Anyone who places their faith in God for salvation will be saved, regardless of whatever else they choose to believe.

Now before anyone comes at me with their nickers in a knot claiming that John 14:6 says we must believe in Jesus to be saved... let me be the first to remind you that Jesus is God! Not simply a means too God. He established the fact that He is God in the first part of the verse. Therefore, He is not saying no comes to the Father/God/Me except through the Father/God/Me. This makes absolutely no sense. Why do you need to go through God in order to get too God when going through God means you're already with God?

What Jesus is actually saying is that regardless of how you choose to come to God, you will have come through Him. He is the one that made salvation possible. It is only through His forgiveness of sins that anyone can now come into the presence of God for salvation.

I would be careful to agree that what the Bible says, is what matters, and not what we have made of it. On the other side of that, is that "no scripture is of private interpretation"—we must be careful not to jump too quickly to our own conclusions.

To avoid too long an answer, you may be surprised how much like Calvinism your notion of spiritual death, our sinfulness and unbelief (though they say it differently) and not simply our sins, are what condemn us. The difference lies in your idea of the will of the believer to repent and believe being the turning point in undoing spiritual death, while the Calvinist believes the will and faith are results, and not causes, of new birth. It is a gift of God. "For it is God who works in you both to will and to do according to his good purpose." Another word you might find interesting is "Monergism", which speaks of the work of God in saving us being by his own motivation and act, and not ours. (But don't take my short definition there alone. —I don't claim to be a Calvinist and I don't want to misrepresent Calvinism).

Some other things you say are accurate and reasonable, such as the fact that entirely forgiven sin can't come back at us, to undo our spiritual regeneration. My reasoning agrees, but is based mainly on the fact that God will indeed accomplish whatever he set out to do, and it cannot be undone. Thus, even if I am not among those to whom he chose to show mercy, he is to be praised for his consuming power of purity and purpose, all of HIS own doing. If I have only fooled myself, thinking my decision of faith to be of some substance, it makes no difference as to who he is and what he has decided to do. And if I am among those to whom he chose to show mercy, I will not be lost.

Brother Del · 2025-11-20T23:56:08-0600

There was a time in the history of the church when the children of God could read and fully understand passages of scripture such as the one posted below, without any question of what was being said, or how to apply it to their lives. Yes, there has always been dissent and dissenters within the body of Christ. But they were usually dealt with swiftly and universally. These are truly the days that we were warned about, God have mercy on us all.

13And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses; 14Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross; 15And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it.

16Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holy day, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days: 17Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.

Say it aint so · 2025-11-20T23:51:57-0600

Vambram said:
Nevertheless, President Trump has not issued any unlawful orders to the military.

He has mused about shooting protesters. Now, that was his last campaign where there were still people there erecting guardrails. There are no longer any guard rails in the either the executive branch, or the current GOP controlled congress. I personally would like to think the idea of not following illegal orders from any president something that all commanders of all branches stress. But to Trump, what he should be echoing "yes, that's right" is treason deserving the the death penalty. I mean, he did after all said he is not sure if he is obligated to uphold the constitution and the very pledge he took as president.

another_lost_guy · 2025-11-20T23:44:19-0600

For some reason this fascinates me a lot. All of the eucharistic miracles suggest that Jesus has AB blood type. I have also heard that AB blood type was common in New Testament era Palestine. But AB is the universal receiver blood type, not the universal donor. Only those with AB blood can receive AB blood. AB blood is also extremely rare, with roughly 4% of people having it. Could this tie in to the path to heaven being narrow? Is Jesus not the universal donor? If so, wouldn't that necessitate Him having O negative blood? I'm trying to not sound like a Pharisee here, it is something I am genuinely curious about. How does blood type work in relation to communion?

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