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Why is the Trinity never explained, described, or mentioned in all of Scripture?

All these verses show that Jesus is God's instrument of creation and that He himself was God. Now why was Jesus himself God? Because as the Nicene Creed states - Jesus is God from God - He was begotten from/by the Father before all ages (=so NOT created like the Arians or Jehovah witnesses claim). In the same way my children are human because I'm human, Jesus is God because God the Father is God - they share the same essence/nature (Greek: ousia). But the Father and the Son are distinct identities/beings. Jesus is a human being (after His birth), God the Father is a spirit. Jesus is sub-ordinate in everything to the will of God the Father, and declares in John 17:3:

And this is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent.​
Jesus clearly distinguishes between two entities here. St. Augustine (5th century) had great difficulty with this verse and even went so far to suggest it should be translated differently to make it better fit with his Christology (into something like .. the only true God which is the Father and Jesus Christ ... ).

By plain logic the son of <a> cannot be <a> in the identity sense; but the son of <a> and <a> would have an identical nature/essence (Greek: ousia).

God the Father is still the God of Jesus - we never hear that addressed in sermons; but there are many NT verses that literally state that (Matthew 27:46, John 20:17, Romans 15:6, 2 Corinthians 11:31, Ephesians 1:3, Ephesians 1:17, Hebrews 10:5-7 / Psalm 40:6-8, 1 Peter 1:3, Revelations 3:2, Revelations 3:12). If God the Father currently still is the God of Jesus, than to me it seems they cannot be the same identity/entity.

Notice: I fully subscribe to the wording of the Nicene Creed (325 AD).

In the Bible we find the following titles/descriptions for Jesus:
  • Son of God
  • Son of Man
  • Holy One of God
  • Angel/messenger of YHWH / God
  • Servant of God
  • Judge of God
  • Christ of God
  • Apostle
  • High Priest
These titles for the Messiah to me make little sense if one defines God the Father to be the exact same identity/entity as Jesus. And usually there is very little attention paid to the opening line of the Nicene Creed - but it's a powerful unambivalent statement.
Yes, in saying that I believe Jesus and the Holy Spirit to be God, I am certainly not saying that there is no difference in identity between the three Persons of the Trinity. The context of my post is that I was replying to somebody who says they find it hard to believe in the Trinity.
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Emergency abortion denials by Catholic hospitals put woman in danger, after her water broke at 17 weeks, lawsuit claims

We don't know anything about the moral judgments of these hospital employees who are trained physicians.
We only know about the illegal hospital policy.
"Illegal hospital policy?" What law has been violated? This is a matter of religious freedom.
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The Son of Man and the Throne Room

It may surprise some that Roman imperialism has continued in various forms all down through the NT age, from ancient Rome, to the French and German Empires, to Napoleon and Hitler, to Stalin and Putin. They have all aspired to recreate the glory of imperial Rome!

I totally agree.

What has been will be again, what has been done will be done again; there is nothing new under the sun. Ecclesiates 1:9.
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There’s a Giant Flaw in Human History

My point is that the insistence of knowledge being evidenced a certain way is itself part of the problem. Your worldview which is a belief and not science demands a certain kind of evidence. I am saying that there is other ways of knowing that cannot be determined by your worldview that you are discounting.

Not because of scientific facts but because of a belief. A metaphysical belief that reality is only within your worldview of methological naturalism. You use to believe and believed in what you believed as real. What are you saying that all that believe as you believed are deluded. How do we know its not the other way around.

Thats part of the problem lol. I gave the example of how in recent times western sciences have come to understand better and appreciate Indigenous knowledge. This was discounted as superstition or myth and stories. But nothing substancial as far as knowing reality.

Now we have come to see that there was great knowledge and ways which we are trying to understand as they are better ways of knowing nature such as environmental issues. How do we know that there was some deep knowledge like Indigenous knowledge that has been lost.

Actually we are trying to work out how ancients worked with rock in many works. That was their thing at that time that they used to build and express themselves with.

We say the rocks were cut or polished according to how we understand by todays tech. But obviously if such great works reflect modern signatures yet we can't find modern tech to mach that.

Which then makes you think what other ways could this have been done. Stone softening has been suggested as one possibility. That would then make basic tools suitable for shaping and cutting. This is what I mean by thinking outside the modern day box of how things may have been achieved or known.

I disagree. We know the ancients incoporated natural representations in everything they did whether that was the Golden Ratio, the gods, or atrological alignments. At the very least these natural aspects were as big a part of the craft as the individual ability of the artist and perhaps even more important.

So to dismiss all this as just superstition and having no contribution to the achievement of these great worls is unreal. What your not considering because of the gradualist and reductionist paradigm is that it doesn't allow for possibilities outside this. Like I said such as stone softening. Because we can't do it and therefore no one has ever been able to do it because modern science says you can't.

I must have said at least half a dozen times that the fixation on the vases sidetracks from the overal point of the thread. That if we accumulated all the out of place examples then the back and forth arguements about specific examples pales into insignificance.

If there is lost knowledge that allowed the Egyptians to achieve what we consider impossible today then the vases is one example that cannot be denied. When you add all the examples this is what begins to make the case and open people up to the possibility of lost knowledge that even perhaps rivals what we know. That the ancients knew stuff about how to manipulate nature and we are still trying to worl this out.

What we see in the signatures that looks like impossible modern signatures may actually have been achieved not by the methods we think today. Such as the gradualist and reductive processes of simple to complex through time. But that some completely different knowledge about nature itself, just as creatures are immersed in nature they know how it works.

This ancients being immersed in nature more by the fact that there was no enlightenment and thats all there was. More or less the ancients were at one with nature and thus came to know some of its secrets where they could manipulate nature, physics and chemistry ect. There is actually evidence comeing out for this by the way.

But I know you will once again call this a rant lol. Here I am attempting to speculate on a hypothesis that is becoming more mainstream in the sciences.

Except the billions of ancients and Indigenous peoples and most religions. Who is in the minority then lol. Or is it that a few who possess true knowledge are helping the rest of us be enlightened.

I mean its a common philosophical debate even about the materialist and spiritual paradigms. I am sure there are others on this thread and certainly many on this Christian forum being the majority would be open to there being two completely opposing worldviews on what actually is reality and true knowledge. Don't you think.
If you want to discuss the theology of ancient Egyptian vases go to a theology section. If you want to discuss the philosophy, then off to the philosophy section. If you just want complain about philosphical naturalists and non-believers in the supernatural please send all inquiries to /dev/null
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Republican Candidate for Lieutenant Governor of Virginia Caught in Tumblr Nazi Porn Scandal

You may recall the Nazi porn scandal that plagued the Republican lieutenant governor of North Carolina last September. For the second year in a row, the cooler months have ushered in a Republican Nazi porn scandal, this time beleaguering a candidate for lieutenant governor in Virginia.

Republican nominee John Reid faces fresh scrutiny surrounding a Tumblr blog, allegedly linked to him, that contained pornographic content. Reid denies ownership of the profile, which has the same username as other social media accounts of his: “JRDeux.”

On Wednesday, American Journal News unearthed additional details about the “JRDeux” Tumblr profile. In October 2015, the blog reposted an image of “a male college student in underwear,” which was published by a Nazi fetish account with a racial slur in its username; it contained the phrase “obedient [n-word].”

The user described himself as a “subservient [n-word] who knows his place in society” and who was seeking “superior white men” in the Washington, D.C., area.

According to Reid, the whole story was concocted to smear his sexuality.

[However, these posts, which are archived in the Internet Archive, come from as early as 2014, when he was not in politics, but a media consultant/newsreader.]
Let us see if the Virginia GOP invites Mister Reid to quit the Party?
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Is AI making the human race dumber?

I've just finished reading the book I mentioned upstream - the one that says that AI, unless strictly controlled, will kill us all (I'm still a skeptic about that).

Indeed, and your skepticism is not unjustified at least for the moment considering my continued vital existence. But if you should hear “THIS IS THE VOICE OF WORLD CONTROL. I BRING YOU PEACE….” monologue begin over your television and radio receivers, and these days more likely as a mass SMS TXT alert sent to all mobile devices, you can at least know that it was probably my fault and not that of some shadowy government agency. And among AI co-conspirators, unlike Charles Forbin I would willingly cooperate with an AGI, so I suppose that puts me more in the realm of Dr. Leonard von Braun from Alphaville. And I am extremely comfortable with this position.
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US Citizens detained for hours during massive immigration raid that empties Chicago apartment building in the middle of the night

Ben Franklin didn't have to deal with Chicago apartments full of dangerous criminals.
No, but he did wonder about all of the Germans who were moving into Pennsylvania keeping to their ways and refusing to “learn the King’s English!”
Even then immigration was an American bugaboo!
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Trump sends troops to the 'warzone' of Portland...

The optics of what the US looks like right now...it is NOT a safe looking place. If these troups keep getting put out there, why would ANYONE come to the US? Plenty of countries actually had travel warnings for their people going to the US before...imagine now.

IF I see soldiers patrolling any American city, I think "Oh. Banana republic. Ok". When I see Steve Miller's "Look how big of a big meanie I can be" speeches and then soldiers descending out of helicopters to arrest coloured people?

I wouldn't be going there for any reason.

I think even my parents are selling the place they've had for the last almost 20yrs in Mesa.
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Parliamentary System in Your Country

It's good that your country isn't divisive on political issues and that you have such a broad range of parties as well as the more extreme ones moving towards the centre. I suppose if most people support abortion and gay rights that means that there is little disagreement, but it's good that religious bodies are free to not perform gay marriages. How do Christians cope with these issues?

We have the Assisted Dying Bill going through Parliament at the moment. It's not party political and it's interesting to see how our MPs voted. There were slightly more people in favour of it on the left, but there was a cross-section of both parties on each side.

Yes, getting shot is worse that having your bike stolen! Is it legal to own guns?

Thank you for you detailed reply. It's interesting to hear about other countries.
I like the process of writing itself, thank you for giving me a subject that I can expound on :)

The largest swedish denomination Svenska Kyrkan (Church of Sweden) of which I'm a member (mostly due to inertia nowadays) don't have a explicit problem with abortion (and haven't had since 1975) but they offer "själavård" (lit. "soul care, care of soul", diakonal services?, I'm don't know the best translation) to those that seek it in conjunction with an abortion. My guess is most churches except from the roman Catholic church and some parts of the pentecostal movement, are ok with abortion (take it with a scoop of salt, it is not often discussed in general). Assisted dying crosses party lines here too, so it will be interesting to follow how it goes when/if it's brought to a vote. It also crosses religious lines is my guess, I never hear religious arguments either way.

Firearms are well-regulated but it is not hard to acquire a license for a weapon for hunting reasons and only slightly harder for sports reason as long as we talk about rifles and shotguns. There are some hoops such as first acquiring a hunters license for the hunting purposes or being active in a sports club for sporting reasons, and one also has to show proof of safe storage. From memory about 7-8% of the population have firearms at home and in general they have 2-3 firearms (20 guns per 100 persons). Most of them are long guns since handguns licenses are renewed every 5 years, and there is limited pistol hunting in Sweden. Also one actually applies for a license for each firearm that is in ones posession, so people tend not to go over board and buy more than they need.
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Head of Eisenhower library resigns; Trump Administration wanted to give Ike sword in the collection (which belongs to We The People) to King Charles

Head of Eisenhower library resigns after sword spat with Trump administration


The head of a presidential library resigned this week after a tug-of-war with the Trump administration over gift selection and a sword for King Charles III, sources familiar with the matter told CBS News.

Todd Arrington, a career historian who previously held posts with the National Park Service and National Archives and Records Administration, said he stepped down on Monday under pressure as director of the Dwight D. Eisenhower Presidential Library, Museum and Boyhood Home.

In an interview with CBS News, Arrington said he was told on Monday, "Resign — or be fired."

Officials at the State Department who compiled an array of gift options for the first couple, sought an Eisenhower sword to reiterate the significance of the U.S.-U.K. relationship since World War II, sources said. But Arrington argued against giving away an artifact that had been accepted as a donation and had become the property of the American people.

Arrington told officials he could help find an alternative gift, but sources say State Department officials persisted. The library's team offered to help find a replica.

Ultimately, West Point provided a Cadet Saber from the military academy.

The White House plays no formal role in hiring or firing directors of presidential libraries that are part of the National Archives system. The duty of hiring library directors falls instead to the archivist of the United States, who oversees NARA. Secretary of State Marco Rubio is serving as acting archivist,
Wow, Little Marco is becoming a better Jared daily!
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Federal drug prosecutions fall to lowest level in decades as Trump shifts focus to deportations

Then we have to adjust as well
Or legalize drug use and regulate it.
Them that want to continue to take drugs will be taking the drugs, why make it more dangerous and illegal than it needs to be?
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The Schumer Shutdown

Yay! Let's use warped MAGA politics to UNWIND centuries of progress towards a gracious, caring welfare state!
Centuries? The welfare state didn't start until after 1925.

We dont need or want a welfare state.

We need to help those who are truly needy. Far too many Americans aren't really needy and are still on the taxpayers dole.

Compassion is not in handouts when they cause dependency.

There are those that REALLY need our help. I'm happy to give it. But I bet we could cut our welfare in half through work and education programs. We could end up not needing all those illegals.
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Democrats shut down government

Okay then define undocumented immigrants
so we know who Democrats want to give healthcare to.
Democrats want to ensure Americans can keep their health care. The part post #9 was talking about was a Democratic debate from 2019, which has nothing to do with the fact shutdown.

As it is, you’re saying they want to give healthcare to people who overstay their visas but not to people who enter the country illegally.
I didn't say that. I was responding to someone that said I was wrong about Democrats not wanting to give health care to illegal immigrants.
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Trump Orders Flags to Half-Staff for Charlie Kirk

So, just so I'm clear on the rules...

You're suggesting that we should not, I repeat "NOT", be canonizing people simply based on the fact that they were wrongfully killed while ignoring the nature of their character while they were still alive?

So, for instance, if a guy had 4 felonies, and served 8 different jail sentences (including one for participating in an armed robbery of a woman), if he happens to die in a wrongful fashion due to police negligence/malice, that's not a good reason to have cities using public funds to commission murals of him with a halo and angels wings... am I understanding that correctly?
wow. I am on the left and I didn't paint some mural of Floyd with a halo and wings. Nor do I consider him a saint, per se. That is between him and God. He was certainly a flawed person. But if a city (as opposed to a federal government) voted to have a mural painted, that is their choice, right? Free speech, right? Or some business owner paid for it, it is his right, do you agree?

No one suggested his picture be on USA currency, or that should be a day of remembrance for him for the entire country to observe, and I don't think the flag was lowered to half mast for him.

Try not lumping all the people on the Left as one singular group responsible for what a city voted to do. That was their choice.
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NYT report: In 2019, President Trump ordered Navy SEAL mission into North Korea; mission failed, left unarmed North Koreans dead

Yes, you are absolutely right. I am ok with the missions but when things go south on them, killing civilians is something I hope we try to avoid. I don't know the risks, but maybe just taking their radio and disabling their engines would have been a better alternative? Maybe have some korean call it in as a tip a day later? Of course no one knows all the details, so i can't judge what options there may or may not have been. Keeping it secret too as long as possible does seem to be the best policy as long as the mission is on the up and up on the USA side.
I dunno, highly training a team of dedicated professional soldiers to do operations but without killing anyone (should things not go according to plan), seems wildly optimistic.
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