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Apple Sky · 2025-11-16T16:52:15-0600

Phil G said:
Well you tell me. You’re the one who brought Luther in on this. So you bear the responsibility for proving he believed the earth to be flat. Can you find one teaching of Luther where he says the earth is flat and not a globe?

Never claimed that Martin Luther said the earth was flat, what I said was that ML knew the earth to be stationary & didn't move.
At least get yer facts right.

Phil G said:
“No, Martin Luther did not believe the Earth was flat; he, like most educated people of his time, knew the Earth was a sphere, and he was aware of the long-standing scientific and philosophical evidence for its roundness. However, Luther was strongly against Nicolaus Copernicus's heliocentric model, which placed the Sun at the center of the solar system instead of the Earth. He rejected Copernicus's ideas based on his interpretation of the Bible, particularly the Book of Joshua, and believed the geocentric model (Earth-centered) was the correct one, but this was a theological and philosophical stance, not a belief in a flat Earth.”

I only asked, 'And how does one know what Martin Luther believed' ? Stop getting so touchy.

Valletta · 2025-11-16T16:51:23-0600

JimR-OCDS said:
Not faith but often an ego-identity attachment, or superstition.

Try not to judge others.

Hentenza · 2025-11-16T16:47:04-0600

boughtwithaprice said:
With all due respect, I love Mexican culture. I don’t like being singled out because of my race, but if my race was associated with increased criminal activity, that only means that I have to
try harder to prove myself, which I am all too happy to do

But this kind of mind set leads to all kinds of absurd ideas. Think about it for a minute. Whites commit 69% of all rapes and 74% of all sexual crimes. Should the police stop all whites for suspicion of rape or sexual crimes? Blacks commit 52% of all robberies should all blacks be stopped for suspicion of robbery?

Table 43

ucr.fbi.gov

Do you see the absurdity? There is no difference in the look of an illegal alien or a legal alien or citizen walking or driving down the street. There is no sign hanging from their necks identifying them either way. In general, a brown Mexican born here looks no different than one that did not.

Look, I have no problems deporting every illegal alien criminal living in the US which is what Trump ran his campaign under. But the bedrock of our justice system is probable cause and due process. Everyone in the US that is accused of a crime needs to go through the judicial system not just arbitrarily adjudicated guilty. What Trump is doing parallels to what we did to the Japanese during WWII. If our judicial system is not for everyone then the system fails everyone. Who knows another president might decide that Christians need to go and Trump is setting precedence.

boughtwithaprice said:
There are many criminals crossing the southern border, not just Latinos. The border must be secure. Bexar county may have voted for Harris, but it was due to propaganda.

Agreed.

boughtwithaprice said:
What does the democrat party do? Play identity politics. We are sick of it and are not falling for it anymore: I do not have Latino American or that idiotic Latinx, nor African American friends. I have American friends, and we all love our country
The same is true in Our Catholics Churches here in San Antonio. Scripture says there is no
Jew nor Greek, but here we say there in no Anglo nor Latino, black nor white, we are one in the body of Christ Jesus. We respect the laws of the nation in which we reside. We do not claim exemption from law due to race.

I did not vote for Harris because of where the Democratic Party its been heading for quite some time. Trump, at the time, was the lesser of two evils but an evil nonetheless. My vote was against Harris but not for Trump. Both parties are operating at their respective extremes and that needs to change.

boughtwithaprice said:
I’ll grant you that there are right wing crazies and there are left wing crazies. I admire that you are centrist. I am centrist in that Christ died for all people, not identity politics because it is evil in that it attempts to divide and demonize.
That is the very thing Christ preached against. He said love your enemies and pray for those that persecute you, not practice identity politics
Division plays into Satan’s hands. Is Christ divided? God forbid!!

He also said to love the your neighbor and not oppress the stranger. I don’t think that we should demonize a whole race merely because some have crossed the border illegally.

““You shall not oppress a stranger nor torment him, for you were strangers in the land of Egypt.”
‭‭Exodus‬ ‭22‬:‭21‬ ‭NASB2020‬‬

Exodus 22:21 “You shall not oppress a stranger nor torment him, for you were strangers in the land of Egypt. | New American Standard Bible - NASB (NASB2020) | Download The Bible App Now

“You shall not oppress a stranger nor torment him, for you were strangers in the land of Egypt.

bible.com

mourningdove~ · 2025-11-16T16:42:50-0600

Lady Bug said:
Hi, I'm starting to struggle (after all these months) with the beginnings of emotional blunting regarding my dad's passing.

While my brother calls me and tells me he cries every now and then (I'm not deriding that because that's how I used to be), I'm struggling with a new thing in which I am feeling frustrated by the effects of my dad's words and actions during my life that might have led in part to the stage I am at in my life now and I don't know if it's exactly a lack of forgiveness but a feeling of frustration/anger at the consequences, and it's causing me to not be able to feel the emotions I first did in late May and during the month of June.

Healing from loss is a journey, often with many ups and downs.
Sometimes we 'feel' alot ... other times, it's like we are numb and feeling nothing.
All very normal, uncomfortable and concerning as it may be at times.

For me, the important part has been to feel the feelings, or not, however 'the grief ship' sails ...
holding onto Christ at all times, like The Life Preserver that He is!

May God continue to bless your healing journey.

bbbbbbb · 2025-11-16T16:37:46-0600

trophy deer

Lukaris · 2025-11-16T16:34:33-0600

Dan1988 said:
Sorry to disappoint you but my verses destroy your interpretation of the verses you tried to use against my theology. I have unleashed 45 verses below, which prove that your theology is based on false doctrine.

Now lets talk about Gods hatred
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Leviticus 18-22&version=NKJV

45 Things God Hates | PDF

The document lists 45 things that are described as hated or prohibited in the Bible. These include homosexual acts, bestiality, various pagan practices like idol worship, divination and astrology, dishonesty, violence, pride, falsehoods, unjust treatment of others, vain sacrifices, robbery...

www.scribd.com

The definition is in the New Testament and the Lord summed in His commandments to us ( Matthew 7:12, Matthew 22:36-40 etc.) which originally are in the Old Testament ( Deuteronomy 6:4, Leviticus 19:18). You will notice that the golden rule ( Matthew 7:12 per Matthew 7:1-12) is the “LAW & PROPHETS” and that on God’s commandments ( Matthew 22:36-40 etc.) are which the “LAW & PROPHETS” hang or are dependent on.

You have something against the Gospel? I don’t claim any right to speak for God but to obey His commandments ( however wretchedly I do) but He tells us to ( John 14:15-18). The ultimate thing God “hates” is evil and that is what we are allowed to “hate” ( Amos 5:14-15). I would take care to not rationalize any idea of self justification as being justified by what God may “hate.”

I would carefully read ( Isaiah 55:1-12) especially Isaiah 55:8 ( I know ya did so what am I telling you huh?) well reread it and the Lord’s commandments.

adrianmonk · 2025-11-16T16:33:37-0600

This thread is fascinating when read again from the first page.

chevyontheriver · 2025-11-16T16:33:30-0600

Michie said:
Here’s a roundup of the latest Catholic education news in the United States:

Notre Dame drops ‘acceptance and support for Catholic mission’ from staff values
The University of Notre Dame has dropped acceptance and support for its Catholic mission from the list of staff values it has held for the past 20 years.

The university’s leadership announced new updates to its staff values at its Fall 2025 Staff Town Halls on Oct. 29 and 30, according to a press release. Human Resources President Heather Christophersen said the new values were “an expression of how we seek to advance Notre Dame’s mission as a global, Catholic research university.”

Continued below.

Notre Dame drops ‘support for Catholic mission’ from staff values

Here’s a roundup of the latest Catholic education news in the United States.

www.catholicnewsagency.com

The Catholic colleges listed on he 'Newman Guide' wouldn't do that.

The Newman Guide - Cardinal Newman Society

cardinalnewmansociety.org

Recommended Colleges - Cardinal Newman Society

cardinalnewmansociety.org

jonojim1337 · 2025-11-16T16:29:38-0600

Desk trauma said:
Not sure what the takeaway from that was supposed to be. Are you accusing me of being a member of congress or of committing tax fraud?

Whose image is it?

chevyontheriver · 2025-11-16T16:27:29-0600

Akita Suggagaki said:
“A bow of the head is made when the three Divine Persons are named together and at the names of Jesus, of the Blessed Virgin Mary, and of the Saint in whose honor Mass is being celebrated.”

Bowing at the Holy Names | EWTN

EWTN is a global, Catholic Television, Catholic Radio, and Catholic News Network that provides catholic programming and news coverage from around the world.

www.ewtn.com

Well, not at my parish. There has never been education or formation on this. Maybe half a dozen people among 500 will bow.

How about yours?

I noticed this at St. Agnes in St. Paul, MN. They seemed to know how to do it there!

At my current parish they do it wt the mention of the incarnation when reciting the creed. Otherwise not so much.

I think it's a good thing but mostly lost now.

Lady Bug · 2025-11-16T16:24:40-0600

You guys, look:

I already know about the fact that Mass isn't for fellowship. I'm not even trying to fight about this. I already know this.

I already know the necessity of that too. Some things don't quite stop bothering me about it, but I am not in denial of the necessity of the delineation between Mass and fellowship.

AV1611VET · 2025-11-16T16:22:37-0600

sjastro said:
Notice how he refers to Chris King as Christ King, you can't get greater than that.

Kinda like academia's Christopher Nicholas Sarantakos, who was lauded as "Chriss Angel"?

eclipsenow · 2025-11-16T16:20:38-0600

Keras, according to your previous timetable that you said was inspired by the holy spirit in a vision in the Middle East in 2010 or something, we're only a few months off the abomination of desolation.

Where's the temple mate?

You assured me then you had absolute certainty.

You told me all the Amil theologians I read were like the blind Pharisees, which is basically akin to calling them unsaved which is against forum rules.

Absolute certainty.
Vision from the holy spirit.

But no temple?

All this stuff about you being on a special mission from God to explain Revelation to the modern church is absolute hogwash, and I have absolute certainty about that!

RDKirk · 2025-11-16T16:19:56-0600

Bradskii said:
The point being made was that you don't get to take a quick peek at the leader board to see what brand of theocracy you're likely to get. The decision is first: Secular governance or theocracy. Pick one and then you can decide on what type you'd like.

Would you first pick theocracy if the majority of citizens were Muslims? I don't think so. But me? My first choice is always secular. I don't want society run on the basis of 'what is written' in any given holy book.

Realistically and historically, that's not the way "the government you get" usually works.

You usually get the government of whoever wielded the greatest preponderance of violence.

eclipsenow · 2025-11-16T16:15:23-0600

Jipsah said:
It meant what it said to those to whom it was written. Remember them ? Almost nobody seems to remember the folks to whom the Revelation was explicitly written.

Imagine if someone ran around saying that 1 Corinthians had to be written to their particular church in the 21st century for it to MEAN anything?

That's what these people are doing with Revelation

NewLifeInChristJesus · 2025-11-16T16:09:05-0600

ARBITER01 said:
The blood of Jesus "renewed" our human spirit into His likeness, hence why all of us, male or female, are considered brethren. We wasn't given a new human spirit that we didn't have before, it was regenerated from it's fallen state.

Nope. We (those who are born of the Spirit) are to put off the old man that grows corrupt (Eph 4:22). And we are to put on the new man, which "was created according to God, in true righteousness and holiness (Eph 4:24). The new creation (2 Cor 5:17, Gal 6:15) is "a new creation".

ARBITER01 said:
Some people were brought up out of a really sinful life when they were born again. I was one of those. My born again life has been one of victory over sin year after year since 1992. I credit The Holy Spirit with this after I was filled with Him.

The goal for us is Christ-likeness. Jesus expects us who are believers of His, to do the same works as He did. We can't do that if we are dominated with sins in our life, hence, we have to have victory in our new-born lives over those sins of the past. For some folks, it can take quite a bit of time, but it is to be a continual climb in holiness with GOD. Holiness is spiritual cleanliness.

Ok, but the line you are drawing is fuzzy, with no clear borders or boundaries. How does one measure his progress in holiness? In particular, what does "success" look like?

The reason there is ambiguity is that holiness demands no sin -- there is no such thing as partial holiness. Even a single little sin makes a person unholy. One result of this is that it is impossible to measure progress towards holiness. Either a person is holy or he is unholy. That is why it is important to see the truth that the new creation (the new man/spirit) has true righteousness and holiness. Our holiness is Christ's holiness, and it exists in the new man because we are joined with Him and are one spirit with Him (1 Cor 6:17).

ARBITER01 said:
I can't explain this any clearer. If you are unable to understand my stance on this, then I will need to go. I'm not here for arguments and debates on this site anymore.

CoreyD · 2025-11-16T16:08:06-0600

Fervent said:
The full scope of the philosophical question is not restricted by your OP.

Well you just struck the cord that inspired the OP - the cord that asserts the truth cannot objectively be presented by any of us, but "it's only another opinion".
The OP is created for the purpose of laying that satanic lie to rest.
The question is not philosophical at all.

To make such a claim is to diminish or invalidate Jesus' words at John 4:23, 24; John 17:17... as well as a few other texts, including 1 Timothy 2::3, 4.

Fervent said:
It's not a missing "the", it's the wheel that is created. If you don't know what the truth is, nor the appropriate method for making the identification, how do you go about answering either question?

It's simple.
You tell the person asking, Christians don't know what truth is.
Not only would you give them mixed emotions - whether to be puzzled or laugh, but you would have added to the confusion and perhaps the meaninglessness of Christianity today.

Do Jesus' followers know the truth?
Can Jesus' followers know the appropriate method for making the identification?
Can Jesus' followers answer the question?

Fervent said:
The circularity is in the claimed act of finding it, particularly in the context of John 17:17. It seems you're not asking a question for the sake of exploration, but to launch off into pontification.

From your response and another poster, it seems the OP isn't being read in full, or the comments aren't being connected, or linked to each other. Or something...

Acts 17:1-4, 10-12
It was Paul's custom, to reason with people from the Scriptures; explaining and proving by giving evidence of what was true. Acts 17:2, 3
The result:
Some of the Jews were persuaded and joined Paul and Silas, along with a large number of God-fearing Greeks and quite a few leading women. Acts 17:4

Those in Berea examined the Scriptures every day to see if these teachings were true.
The scriptures were what revealed truth to them. They could compare what Paul said, with the scriptures to see if what Paul said was in line with truth.
The scriptures were like a measuring rule.

Did the Bereans find the truth?
Was it clearly outlined in the OP what method led to their finding it?
It wasn't John 17:17, which says what the truth is.

The Barbarian · 2025-11-16T16:01:53-0600

camille70 said:
Epsteins brother said it wasn't Clinton, but didn't say who it was. Other people have said it was a donor with rhe nickname Bubba.

Don't believe it. Clinton may be a slimeball, but even he has limits.

mourningdove~ · 2025-11-16T15:43:24-0600

A Heavenly Mindset

Set your minds on the things that are above, not on the things that are on earth.
—Colossians 3:2

As believers in Yeshua, we must live for the age to come. We cannot allow our temporal circumstances or how people treat us to define who we are in God or distract us from having a heavenly perspective. We must set our focus on eternity even in the midst of tests and trials.

We must keep our eyes on the eternal prize. This world is not our home. Like Abraham, we are called to set our sights on the majestic city “whose architect and builder is God.” We must continually look toward heaven. All our thoughts and actions should be filtered through an eternal mindset.

Beloved one, we are not of this world, and it can never satisfy us. Let us stop trying to gratify ourselves with the fleeting pleasures of this life and instead live each day realizing that we are on a supernatural journey. Eternal life is our calling, and heaven is our destination. As we age, we see more and more how temporary our earthly life is. Many of us have family and friends who have already passed away. So let’s live for what will endure. Soon Messiah will return, and for those who have lived for Him, our final home will be in a place where God will wipe every tear from our eyes and there will no longer be any suffering, pain, or death.

(Rabbi Kirt A. Schneider, Entering His Presence (Lake Mary, FL: Charisma House, 2023), Used by permission.)

Daily Devotion - Discovering The Jewish Jesus

Rabbi Schneider hosts the impactful television program, Discovering the Jewish Jesus and has authored several books including The Book of Revelation Decoded, A Journey Into Divine Love, To Know Him by Name and more.

discoveringthejewishjesus.com

The Barbarian · 2025-11-16T15:40:05-0600

J Natl Med Assoc 2022 Dec 27;115(1):15–17

The impact of COVID-19 vaccinations on stillbirth rates among pregnant women in the Metro-Detroit area

Infection by COVID-19 increases maternal morbidity and mortality prompting both the American College of Obstetrics and Gynecology and the Society of Maternal Fetal Medicine to strongly recommend vaccination during pregnancy. Limited data exist assessing the risk of intrauterine fetal death (IUFD) associated with COVID vaccination during pregnancy.

This was a retrospective chart review at a large multisite hospital system in Metro Detroit which reviewed data from 13,368 pregnancies. We compared IUFD rates between vaccinated and unvaccinated patients. The rate of stillbirths among unvaccinated women (0.75%) was not statistically different from those who were vaccinated (0.60%). Individuals with government insurance were less likely to be vaccinated and more likely to have IUFD in comparison to patients with private insurance. The rate of stillbirths among Black women was significantly higher than among White women at a rate of 1.1% compared to 0.53% (p=0.008) with no difference in stillbirth rates among vaccinated vs unvaccinated racial distribution.

Apparently, the results from your study couldn't be reproduced by other studies. Not a surprise.

Desk trauma · 2025-11-16T15:32:20-0600

Fantine said:
All those voters in the tourism industry who supported him because of no tax on tips are now becoming unemployed? Couldn't they see he was unworthy of their trust?

Not their faces surely?

Paidiske · 2025-11-16T15:28:59-0600

And, on the other side, if you had a really bad morning, you ought to console yourself.

No? Just me?

Clare73 · 2025-11-16T15:25:34-0600

eleos1954 said:
the millennium is the thousand-year reign of Christ with His saints in heaven, during which the wicked will be judged and the earth will be desolate.
A resurrection begins the 1,000-year period.
This is the first resurrection. Blessed and holy is he who has part in the first resurrection (Revelation 20:5, 6).
It is called the first resurrection. The saved blessed and holy from all ages will be raised in it.
The rest of the dead [those who were not saved] did not live again until the thousand years were finished (Revelation 20:5).
All who are in the graves will hear His voice and come forth those who have done good, to the resurrection of life, and those who have done evil, to the resurrection of condemnation (John 5:28, 29).
The second resurrection takes place at the close of the 1,000-year period. The unsaved will be raised in this resurrection. It is called the resurrection of condemnation.

Please notice: The resurrection of the saved begins the 1,000 years. The resurrection of the unsaved ends the 1,000 years.

EVENTS AT THE BEGINNING OF THE 1,000 YEARS:

A devastating earthquake and hailstorm (Revelation 16:18–21)

The second coming of Jesus for His saints (Matthew 24:30, 31)

The saved dead raised to life (1 Thessalonians 4:16)

The saved given immortality (1 Corinthians 15:51–55)

The saved given bodies like Jesus (1 John 3:2; Philippians 3:20, 21)

All the righteous caught up into the clouds (1 Thessalonians 4:17)

The living wicked slain by the breath of the Lord’s mouth (Isaiah 11:4)

The unsaved dead remain in their graves until the end of the 1,000 years (Revelation 20:5)

Jesus takes the righteous to heaven (John 13:33, 36; 14:2, 3)

Satan bound (Revelation 20:1–3)

Keepin in mind that a "millennium" is personal interpretation of prophetic riddles (Nu 12:6-8) not spoken clearly,
which interpretation is not in agreement with NT apostolic teaching (1 Th 4:16-17) of Christ (Lk 10:16).

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