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U.S. Bishops’ full statement on immigration and opposing mass deportation released

Catholic teaching exhorts nations to recognize the fundamental dignity of all persons, including immigrants. We bishops advocate for a meaningful reform of our nation’s immigration laws and procedures. Human dignity and national security are not in conflict. Both are possible if people of good will work together.
We recognize that nations have a responsibility to regulate their borders and establish a just and orderly immigration system for the sake of the common good. Without such processes, immigrants face the risk of trafficking and other forms of exploitation. Safe and legal pathways serve as an antidote to such risks.

Trump celebrated Thanksgiving with Epstein during his first term in office

Is there an Amendment to the Constitution which allows a third term if the candidate is the alleged messiah?
Yes. But only as long as a red heifer is sacrificed, and then used to make a McDonald's Quarter Pounder hamburger (aka a Royale with Cheese) for the President's consumption.
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There’s a Giant Flaw in Human History

It's in the paragraph before the Results section.

I especially like the sudden introduction of a specific frequency, at best there some are some serious language problems going on, at worst it is gobbledegook.
Did you read the section leading up to the so called sudden introduction of microwatts and the reasoning behind how its the best way to measure acoustic sounds that is consistent and does not rely on varying measures from Pascals (air pressure) or subjective hearing levels which could vary from person to person.

The author gives the arguement and calculations for why this is best. One of the first things you should have done was readi the reasoning for the words you selected out of context. Then you would have clarified why he said this rather than an either/or fallacy that its either a serious language problems going on, at worst it is gobbledegook.

That you don't even mention that reasoning whether its right or wrong only shows your taking it out of context and not even bothering to actually read why the words are used in the first place. You spotted a word you thought did not belong and based the whole view of this world on a word or two.
Note, the paper is not peer-reviewed, and it is self-published. What peer-reviewed articles deal with acoustic properties of Egyptian pyramids and free energy? You alluded that they exist.
Ah like the good old provenance back up there is the "its not peer reviewed' objection you can always call on at your selective convenience. Notice how your happy to enage in the content if you think it can get you a "got ya" moment. But then change the goal posts if the article happens to be correct. You can always call on the good old '"its not peer reviewed' objection as a backup lol.

While I might add at the same time never providing yourself any peer review. You have made a lot of truth and fact claims. Or made accusations that authors and articles are so dumb they get 101 science wrong. Yet you never provide anything but personal opinion or out of context objections.
I've only been invited to peer-review papers in predatory journals and I have better use for my time and my field is not archeology or physics.
So I can't show you any articles I am currently reviewing, and I wouldn't be allowed either.
Is this some sort of appeal to authority. It does not matter how may peer reviews someone participates in. Its not going to make a misinformed or biased opinion fact or truth.

I think good science is repeated independent science. The findings of the article you object to and want to pick out so called wrong words has been backed up by other independent findings. Thats what tells me despite your complaints about a word that you think is wrong defines the whole research and authors.
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Furious Democrats Call for Schumer to Be Replaced After Shutdown Cave

It... was a joke.

But, noted. Poe's law certainly seems to apply to ardent MAGA supporters.
My apologies. I really did think you were serious. But to be fair this, a Christian forum, is replete with such fantastic views it’s so hard to tell.
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The Schumer Shutdown

Hey, I agree. We should never have gone with the Heritage Foundation plan.
Whatever the Democrats do wrong, they try blaming it on the Republicans.

The Schumer Shutdown: supposedly the republicans.

Obamacare: supposedly the republicans.
Single payer is the way to go, baby!
Perhaps.
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Lost tribes of Israel

Do you think that someone who follows rabbinical Judaism can be justified by God apart from Christ?

A person has only one way to come to G-d, through grace. Grace is G-d's movement towards man.

In the past, He scattered them, but now He is gathering them. In days gone by, He made them a proverb, but now they shall be a praise upon the earth.

as ye were a curse among the heathen, O house of Judah, and house of Israel; so will I save you, and ye shall be a blessing: fear not, but let your hands be strong. Zec 8:13b

The restoration of Israel must be understood as a process that develops over time. It begins with a physical restoration in their land. Then follows spiritual restoration.

Most of these same prophets proclaim that G-d will pour out His Spirit on the people of Israel. They foresaw that He would give them a new heart and write His law on their hearts. This will be so radical that Paul describes it as being brought back to life. The blindness that Paul sees both in the nations (2 Corinthians 4:3ff) and in Israel (2 Corinthians 3:14ff) will finally be removed from humanity

And he will destroy in this mountain the face of the covering cast over all people, and the vail that is spread over all nations. Isa 25:7

Isn't it true that the congregation has lost much? Such as the Torah, for example. Our forefathers called the Torah a foreign teaching (Hosea 8:10). And the Jewish people have lost the Messiah. Both must be found and brought back. The Torah must be brought back to the lost sheep of the house of Israel in the nations (the ten lost tribes, the house of Jacob) and the Messiah to the tribe of Judah, the Jews

Thus saith the Lord, Stand ye in the ways, and see, and ask for the old paths, where is the good way, and walk therein, and ye shall find rest for your souls. But they said, We will not walk therein. Jer 6:16

If you take the word for congregation in the Torah, it is the same word in a Hebrew translation of the NT. Unfortunately, the translators never rendered it that way, which could give the impression that the congregation (church) is something different from the congregation in the Torah. From YHVH's perspective, there is only one congregation, one law (Torah), one king and one country. This also applies to strangers. The Torah repeatedly states

One law shall be to him that is homeborn, and unto the stranger that sojourneth among you. Ex 12:49

YHVH presents a covenant to all (the two houses and the strangers). Whoever enters into the covenant and keeps the terms of the covenant belongs to the bride.

This spiritual restoration of Israel will lead to the time of messianic rule on earth. The prophets saw the day coming when ‘the Branch of righteousness to grow up unto David’ who will rule over his people. Jesus himself proclaimed that Israel would not see Him again until it welcomed Him back into the city. Both the Hebrew prophets and the apostle John see Israel at that time ‘look upon me whom they have pierced,’ (Zec 12:10; Rev 1:7).

But the greatest promise is that the restoration of Israel will lead to the defeat of the power of death

He will swallow up death in victory; and the Lord God will wipe away tears from off all faces; Isa 25:8a

Paul refers to this when he speaks of the resurrection from the dead (1 Cor 15:54). This means that Israel's restoration will finally put an end to mankind's greatest fear to this day, the fear of death. Its poisonous sting will be broken, and death will not have the last word; rather, this will belong to the resurrection life of Jesus Christ.

That is why Paul could triumphantly proclaim about Israel:

For if the casting away of them be the reconciling of the world, what shall the receiving of them be, but life from the dead? Rom 11:15

This means that Israel's greatest calling still lies ahead of us. We must recognise that G-d is restoring His people to their inheritance, their relationship with Him, and their destiny.
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Judge Orders Release Of Hundreds Arrested During Immigration Raids

Its not at all up to a judge to determine if a person is in violation of immigration law. That is up to an immigration judge. This judge has overstepped their authority. Letting illegals back into the population?

Or is that not what's last happening herw?
Guess it will be quickly overturned on appeal then. I'm sure a higher court will quickly grant a TRO if this case is so cut and dried?
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Pope Leo instructions now is Jesus apparition not true.

Please, you have never seen how the Catholics in Latin countries hold apparitions to be. So whether evil spirits or demons appeared as 'apparitions' at Loudes or Fatima or in any of the multiple sightings, they will believe it, especially when it comes to Marian apparitions. Its all spiritualism and of another source as Mary is dead and buried in the ground, so it is not her that is showing itself. Here is just a bit of 'aspirations' and beliefs the people hold that you are dealing with...

...Mexico City (Tepeyac Hill), in 1531, Our Lady of Guadalupe came, averted holocaust, stopped the merciless sacrifices of innocents to a blood-thirsty pagan god, and created Family.

Our Lady of the Miraculous Medal - In Paris, in 1830, She came to a little postulant and gave her and us hope for the world - "Come to the foot of the Altar, great graces will be poured out to those who ask for them."

Our Lady of La Salette, in 1846, She wept and prophesied what disaster would come to pass if we did not convert.

Our Lady of Lourdes In Lourdes, in 1858, Mother Mary came and introduced Herself as the Immaculate Conception, affirming Her son - Blessed Pope Pius IX - and his dogma of the Immaculate Conception, which dispelled the heresy of Pantheism.

Our Lady of Pontmain - In Pontmain, in 1871, She came and ended the Franco-Prussian War; She gave us hope.
In Knock, in 1879, although She said nothing, She spoke volumes: Protect the Eucharist. If you destroy the Eucharist; you destroy the Church. Protect the Word, which is in danger. If you destroy the Word, you destroy the Church. Protect the family; if you destroy the family, you destroy the Church, you destroy the world.

Our Lady of Fatima - In Fatima, in 1917, Our Lady warned that unless we convert, Russia would take over the world. And but for Her precious son, Pope John Paul II, this growling bear would have done just that. In Fatima, She warned us that unless we change, many souls would be lost; and that unless we pray and sacrifice many would go to hell. Did we listen?

Our Lady of Beauraing - In Beauraing, Belgium, in 1932, Mary asked the children, "Do you love my Son?" To which they responded "Yes!" She then asked, "Do you love Me?" Again they responded "Yes!" She turned to them and said, "Then sacrifice yourself for Me." Our Lady was telling us to sacrifice, because She knew that it is only through prayer, fasting and sacrifice can we overcome the onslaught of the devil and his cohorts. Twelve days after Our Lady said good-bye to the children in Beauraing, Our Lady came to Banneux, fifty miles from where She appeared to the children in Beauraing. Our Lady came and pleaded: "Believe in Me and I will believe in you." Our Lady, 16 years after Fatima, appeared in Belgium and again warned us. Did we listen? Do we listen?
Mother Mary went to Belgium and warned us; and in less than a month, the path to total world domination was paved. The world had not listened to Mother Mary and the table of contents of the devil's book to hell was getting near full. Hitler became chancellor to Germany and began his conquest or scorch campaign. World War I was supposed to be the war to end all wars, and here it was, and another World War was on the horizon. World War II was upon us, before we knew it. Everything moved so fast. People were not praying, not yet. They thought the answer was accommodation and compromise. Powerful countries compromised smaller nations. After all, it was not them. The enemy was not threatening them. All of a sudden, it was their turn. Did we then go down on our knees?

When the Lord comes, people will be so busy running to the malls, trying to buy up happiness, they will miss Him and His salvation completely. Is that why Mother Mary keeps on appearing? These Marian Apparitions of Our Lady continue to weave a pattern of salvation if heeded or destruction if not. We do no listen!

Will you study the Marian Apparitions of Our Lady?
Will you listen and respond?
Pray the Rosary!

Below is our List of
Marian Apparitions of Our Lady
Our Lady of Akita

Our Lady of Altotting

Our Lady of Banneux

Our Lady of Beauraing
Our Lady of the Cape


Our Lady of Czestochowa

Our Lady of Fatima

Our Lady of Good Counsel

Our Lady of Guadalupe

Our Lady of Knock

Our Lady of La Salette

Our Lady of Lourdes

Our Lady of Laus

Our Lady of Loreto and the Holy House

Our Lady of the Miraculous Medal

Our Lady of Ocotlan

Our Lady of Peace La Conquistadora NM

Our Lady of Pilar

Our Lady of Pompei

Our Lady of Pontmain

Our Lady of the Rosary

Our Lady of Tears

Our Lady of Siuliai - Lithuania

Our Lady Gate of Dawn - Lithuania.......

I don't know what a "Latin country" is. But yes there have been many apparitions and I don't know how many associated documented miraculous cures. For example:

Abstract​

In April 1962, Vittorio Micheli, a soldier in the Italian Army, developed rapidly increasing pain in his left buttock region. X-rays of the left hip showed osteolysis involving the ilium and the roof of the acetabulum. A biopsy of the gluteal muscle showed cells of a sarcomatous character. He was not deemed to be a candidate for medical intervention, so neither radiotherapy nor chemotherapy was offered to him. In May 1963, racked with pain and unable to walk, he made a pilgrimage to Lourdes, following which he was cured of his sarcoma. His case was reviewed by the International Medical Committee of Lourdes in 1969 and in 1971. There was unanimous agreement that this was a medically inexplicable cure.
The Miraculous Cure of a Sarcoma of the Pelvis: Cure of Vittorio Micheli at Lourdes - PMC
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Can Truth Be Known? How

Many philosophers debate for centuries, and never come to a conclusion.
As a Christian, how does one determine what is truth?
Is it by consulting what people says... be it there may be a multiplicity of opinions, ideas, interpretations, and the like?

How did early Christians view finding the truth?
How would Jesus establish truth?

Truth is directly from GOD by revelation of The Holy Spirit.

After Jesus was filled with The Holy Spirit, He was completely dependent upon Him.
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The Saving results of the Death of Christ !

I've done it many times. What you need to do is follow the advice I added to the end of my last post,. Then we'll have something substantive to talk about.

Perhaps, my friend, you and I, with our knowledge of Patristics and the history of the early church and our shared sacramental, Trinitarian, iconographic and anti-Nestorian Christianity, and our veneration of the Theotokos, could find something interesting to talk about, if not on this subject, which seems to be a boring attempt to prove Calvinism from the scriptural text, which is impossible (I can’t completely disprove monergism or prove synergism, which is why I am patient with our Lutheran friends although I disagree with them on this issue because of the Fifth Ecumenical Synod and many NT texts), then on a related subject.
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Once you're saved, you don't matter anymore

Nah, that isn't it. The fact is that the Baptist Church exists almost solely to Get People Saved. Full stop. Once one is saved the the church has done its job and it's on to the next patient
There are baptist churches, but no such thing as the Baptist Church. I have never come across a baptist church that is only interested in getting people saved. That's important, but once saved, it is important that the church members care for one another.
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What is God’s ‘Kin-dom’?

Thank you for your kind words. Just for the record because The Episcopal Church is so frequently maligned, my editorial comments in post #3 were not observations made about The Episcopal Church. Rather they come from my work with an unnamed progressive denomination of which I was not an adherent nor a member.

Indeed, I figured as much. And we both have the privilege of being members of much-maligned denominations, particularly since many of the oldest OCA parishes are known as Russian Orthodox. Indeed your denomination was always maligned by others as was ours; before it was Russophobia it was the accusation of idolatry and ethnocentricity. And before that, in the 18th century, St. Peter the Aleut was martyred because we were accused of schism and heresy.

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St. Peter the Aleut, pray for us!
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MARK OF THE BEAST - REVELATION 13-14; 17; 18

And he will open his mouth in blaspheme against God, to blaspheme God's name, and His tabernacle (God's tabernacle is outside of the sky) and them that dwell in heaven (outside of the sky)
Revelation 13:6. Is telling us that the beast will speak blaspheme about what is outside of the sky.

He cast down some of the host of the stars and trampled on them....
He cast down the truth to the ground.
Daniel 8:10,12

Prophetically we therefore see truth related to the stars being cast down.
Unfortunately that requires a nonexistent cosmology as well As imaginary space men in equally imaginary flying saucers
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Don't Listen to The Cockroaches

The context here is that of believers in Jesus Christ needing to be those who are putting aside all sinful desires and actions and to long for the pure word of God that they may grow to maturity in Christ and in their salvation. We are to be those who offer up spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God through Jesus Christ. For we are a people for God’s own possession, that we might proclaim the excellencies of God who has called us out of darkness (sin) into his marvelous light (Jesus Christ, truth, righteousness, the gospel of Christ).

And then we are instructed that we are to be submissive to governing authorities, and we are to be people who do what is right. So, those two cannot contradict one another. In other words, if submitting to any governing authorities means that we have to compromise our faith in Jesus Christ or the gospel of Christ or our morals or the commandments of God, then we must obey God rather than man. And biblical examples of this are found in the lives of Daniel, Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego, and Jesus Christ, Peter, John, and Paul, and many others throughout the world.

“..But if when you do what is right and suffer for it you patiently endure it, this finds favor with God. For you have been called for this purpose, since Christ also suffered for you, leaving you an example for you to follow in His steps, who committed no sin, nor was any deceit found in His mouth; and while being reviled, He did not revile in return; while suffering, He uttered no threats, but kept entrusting Himself to Him who judges righteously.” (1 Peter 2:20-23 NASB1995)

For, even though we are doing what is right, and not what is wrong, corrupt leadership may indeed make us suffer because we obeyed the commands of God and we did not give way to compromise of truth and righteousness. And that is what happened in the lives of the people of God listed above who suffered greatly at the hands of people who were in positions of rule of law but who were apart from God’s rule of law, and who opposed the law of God, such as those who are malicious, morally unclean, deceivers, manipulators, opportunists, liars, untrustworthy, egocentrics, who fake their Christianity.

So, if we suffer for doing right, and at the hands of people in positions of power and rule of law over us, either within the government, or within other law enforcement, or within the gatherings of the church (or what are falsely being called “church,” but which are businesses created in the minds of humans), we are not to retaliate. We are not to return evil with evil, but we are to return evil with good. And we are to keep putting our lives into the hands of our maker God, entrusting ourselves to God who judges righteously. And we are to keep obeying God and doing what is right.

For “He Himself bore our sins in His body on the cross, so that we might die to sin and live to righteousness; for by His wounds you were healed. For you were continually straying like sheep, but now you have returned to the Shepherd and Guardian of your souls.” (1 Peter 2:24-25 NASB1995)

And it is critical that we get what this is saying here for we have many malicious, morally unclean, deceivers, manipulators, opportunists, liars, and untrustworthy egocentrics, who fake their Christianity, now living among us, who serve in positions of power, rule, and authority over us, but who are presenting a gospel message which is a lie, and which is straight from hell. For they are telling us that all we have to do is to make a verbal confession of Christ as Lord, and believe that God raised him from the dead, and now we are saved. But that is out of context, and is not the gospel in whole.

For Jesus Christ gave his life up for us on that cross in putting our sins to death with him so that we will now die to sin and live to righteousness. This is the gospel message which is taught all throughout the Scriptures, both in the Old Testament and in the New Testament. We cannot put on our new garments in Christ Jesus if we don’t first remove the old ones, by the grace of God, in the power and wisdom of God. For if we do not die to sin, and if we do not obey our Lord’s commands, we do not know God, we are not in fellowship with Christ, and we do not have eternal life with God. Know this!

[Matthew 7:13-14,21-23; Luke 9:23-26; John 10:27-30; Acts 26:18; Romans 1:18-32; Romans 2:5-10; Romans 3:23; Romans 6:1-23; Romans 8:1-14; 1 Corinthians 10:1-22; Galatians 5:16-24; Ephesians 2:8-10; Ephesians 4:17-32; Ephesians 5:3-6; Titus 2:11-14; Hebrews 3:1-19; Hebrews 4:1-13; Hebrews 10:19-39; Hebrews 12:1-2; 1 Peter 2:24; 1 John 1:1-10; 1 John 2:3-6; 1 John 3:4-10; Revelation 2:1-29; Revelation 3:1-22]

As the Deer

By Martin J. Nystrom
Based off Psalm 42:1


As the deer panteth for the water
So my soul longeth after You
You alone are my heart's desire
And I long to worship You

You alone are my strength, my shield
To You alone may my spirit yield
You alone are my heart's desire
And I long to worship You

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Don’t Listen to The Cockroaches
An Original Work / November 14, 2025
Christ’s Free Servant, Sue J Love

Israel-Hamas Thread II

How that beacon of democracy in the Middle East treats Palestinian prisoners (not charged with anything of course).

Crimes are never good, but where is there a country where they don't happen? I don't know anyone who loves Israel (including the Israelis themselves) who would ever claim that there are no crimes in Israel or no people who commit violence against non-Jews. Israel is human, with all the good and all the bad.

Take, for example, the violence perpetrated by settlers. They attack "Palestinians" and even Israeli soldiers. Israel's Chief of Staff Eyal Zamir describes the perpetrators as ‘a criminal minority that disregards the law and denigrates Israel's values’. Since the start of the olive harvest in October, there has been a significant increase in such attacks. The Israelis are dealing with hundreds of rioting youths who are out of control and must be severely punished. The government is also in contact with rabbis and community leaders to find a social response to the problem. These violent offenders are not only harming the “Palestinians”, but also Israel's moral integrity and international reputation. Every case is being investigated independently of origin or motive, and arrests will be upheld if there is sufficient evidence. Release on bail is not a matter of leniency, but of commitment to the rule of law.

Genocide is actually happening in Sudan right now, and you hear absolutely nothing about it from the vocal pro-Hamas activists and Israel haters in the West. This shows that they never cared about the people in Gaza.

No Jews, no news.
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