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Strong in Him · 2025-10-15T01:37:48-0500

Apple Sky said:
Why is it ?

@Hentenza , who is an engineer, told you that your maths didn't work.
In reply, you insulted him. (yes, I know you apologized; nevertheless, that was your 1st response.)

bèlla · 2025-10-15T01:37:43-0500

rjs330 said:
There is a way to handle this and its by required work. If you are on unemployment then you are required to work at a job assigned to you. If you are on welfare rhen you are required to work including working on these farms to add to your income.

But none of that is going to last. This world is moving to automation for so many things. Many manufacturing and farming jobs are going away.

If the positions aren’t desirable by the populace automation is fine. I wouldn’t be too quick to speak on the other while social security hasn’t been resolved. You may find yourself in similar straights. It wasn’t included in project 2025 but they’re initiating changes and it won’t be untouched.

~bella

Servus · 2025-10-15T01:35:17-0500

chevyontheriver said:
We don’t do the ‘once saved, always saved’ stuff.

The idea though as I understand it is not having assurance of salvation is what is taught. With 1 Corinthians 9:27 being the primary verse. During a ‘once saved, always saved’ debate on CF, I asked a Catholic on CF if he believed he was saved and he said "I don't know".

There's a Greek Orthodox Bishop named Kallistos Ware, who when asked the question "are you saved?" said he wasn't sure how to answer. That if he had said "I am saved", isn't that overconfidence?

Time stamped video only takes a few second to hear the crucial part:

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(Just for the record I'm not a proponent of 'once saved always saved', and I liked what Kallistos Ware had to say in the video)

Pommer · 2025-10-15T01:33:50-0500

ThatRobGuy said:
https://thehill.com/homenews/media/5554402-pentagon-press-access-outlets-reject-policy/

New York Times, AP, Newsmax among news outlets who say they won't sign new Pentagon rules

The New York Times, The Associated Press and the conservative television network Newsmax are among five outlets on Monday who say they won't sign a new Defense Department document about its new press rules.

apnews.com

Sounds like this Hegseth directive is being broadly rejected by media outlets, big & small, and across the political spectrum.

All of the big ones are in broad agreement (ABC, NBC, CBS, and Fox News), and even the very "MAGA-friendly" Newsmax is opposing it as well.

How dare members of the fourth estate not kowtow to the Secretary of War!?
Mercy me, whatever shall we do?

eclipsenow · 2025-10-15T01:31:38-0500

Servus said:
Going on about the hottest places on earth being hot during the hottest times of summer, as if that's something to be alarmed about, is kinda silly.

Not when those hottest places have measurements going back to 1910.

Servus said:
Climate change has always existed.

Yes - as if this is news to any actual scientist - let alone climate scientist. Or any humanities geek like myself who has read a bit. Do you know WHY the climate changes? What the top drivers are? What causes a glacial period and interglacial period over tens of thousands of years - or what about LONGER term climate trends over the 10's of millions of years?

Like I said - I'm not even a scientist. But even I know some of these things.

Servus said:
"Big funding from Koch brothers and Exxon" as a conspiracy for why people aren't panicking over it being a couple of degrees hotter than it was 115 years ago,

A couple of degrees hotter? Maybe you're thinking of weather.
A couple of degrees of CLIMATE change should scare you - should make you angry - should make you think of the inter-generational immorality of us living as if we allowed to squander our children and grandchildren's futures!

Didn't Calvin himself say the farmer should leave his fields in better condition than he found them? He had basic ideas of stewardship in mind.

Maybe you don't understand the difference between weather and climate?

Think of water in a bathtub. Weather is the toddler splashing and making waves. The amount of water stays the same, but the waves rock back and forth with the water level. Climate change is that someone left the tap on, and soon that toddler could drown!

Climate change is the energy imbalance of the planet - the extra energy 'trapped' by the sunlight bouncing off the earth's surface as heat, and being trapped by the thicker blanket of gases surrounding the earth.

It's going up about to 2 Hiroshima bombs per second, every second, of every minute, of every hour, of every day, of every day of the year. All year around. It shows up in glaciers melting, heat records toppling, seasons out of whack, grubs hatching and dying before the baby birds hatch so they can eat the grubs. It's the very food web is out of whack.

It's global crop yields down a quarter as the population goes UP a quarter by 2050.

And Exxon knew about it all from their own scientists way back in 1977.

Exxon scientists said...

In 1982 they sent a document marked “not to be distributed externally.”

“Preventing global warming … would require major reductions in fossil fuel combustion. Unless that happened, there are some potentially catastrophic events that must be considered … Once the effects are measurable, they might not be reversible.”

Exxon CO2 Primer (1982) - Inside Climate News

This document describes the state of the science on the greenhouse effect was widely circulated among Exxon management.

insideclimatenews.org

It seems sir - that you have a lot more reading and thinking to do.

Unless of course, like most MAGA you just think "That's what you CHOOSE to believe - I choose to believe something else."

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Stopped_lurking · 2025-10-15T01:30:58-0500

stevevw said:
The Chris Dunn's team has done a Report which is another form of an academic paper with Overview, method, then analysis, findings and conclusion.

Vase Scan Resources – UnchartedX

Not one well provenanced vase in the bunch. Many measured runouts in excess of 0.1 mm. No procedure described to calculate any quality metrics.

stevevw said:
Also here with the geometry which is fully laid out in steps with calculations.

Geometric Analysis of The Pre-Dynastic Granite Artifact

An interesting geometrical analysis of an extremely precise and high-resolution mesh, obtained via structured light scanning of a granite artifact, that is purpoted to originate from pre-dynastic Egypt.

unsigned.io

Where the author believes it to be a modern fake or reworked original.

stevevw said:
The Artifact Foundation also done a Report.

Petrie Museum | Artifact Foundation

www.artifactfoundation.org

And in their table all but two vases have a median circularity > 0.1 mm (they are 72 and 96 µm). And median doesn't tell the complete story. Look in the surface deviation plots for all the vases (https://3ee9be00-b8a0-4f00-991d-97c...d/3ee9be_e79661f238934aed91a28269a61725d8.pdf) not the cherry picked best example.

stevevw said:
I think they all explain why they used the specific quality metric. I think Karolys method is the same.

It's not he uses the the geometric mean of the median circularity and concentricity, Max sums the mean error rmse and concentricity offset and standard deviation of the concentricity offset. Just as you were wrong when you falsely ascribed a PhD to Karoly.

stevevw said:
Certainly in using layers to determine circularity and concentricity. I think the method had to be adjusted to measure the vases as there was no precedent to go by.

If you're going to find the symmetry axis of the hypothalamus then you need to use PCA to determine the best symmetry axis, on what is in effect cylindrical objects it is not needed. Max didn't feel the need in any case.

stevevw said:
Providence seems to be an issue in the least because skeptics use that to dispute the vases. The Artifact Foundation began testing museum vases only this year.

There are Petrie vases in the precise class from the Artifact Foundations tests. They set the parameters of the precise class which was 0.001mm to I think 0.200mm which was the tolerance accepted in precision tooling. Five or 6 vases from memory came under this. One at 48 microns median score.

0.2 mm as a median score is not the normal tolerance metric such as it would be if it is the difference in radius between the an inner and outer circle that covers all the measured points (see ISO 1101). So there is some sleight-of-hand with definitions going on here.

stevevw said:
Max was testing vases that were from a private collections (Matt Beall) but also housed at the Petrie museum. Thats why I was saying that people can question the providence of private collections but the Petrie museum regards them as genuine enough to display them as authentic. Max also found around 11 vases in the precise class.

Those were not from the Petrie museum collection.

stevevw said:
There are no other researchers or tests as far as I know. Like I said there are many small tests of one off vases. You can even see a guage test done on line before your eyes showing the precision.

View attachment 371597 View attachment 371598 View attachment 371599

Starts at 1.20 minute mark. Now thats a proper social media test. Live on camera for everyone to see.

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I disagree. Karoly and the Artifact Foundation, Chris Dunn and team and Max are all doing science. The equipment they have used, the calibration of that equipment, the various methods of testing ie Light Scan, Lazer and Guage sensors and the reports coming from them are science. Theres no spectulation. This is hard data and not spectulations about peoples credibility.

Measures themselves are not science, they speculating on the skills of egyptian artisans is not science.

stevevw said:
No sure if you have used all these devices or even understand them. Or actually done tests on vases. Your standing on the sidelines. If you want to dispute the tests then you have to repeat the tests and show how you done it to arrive at a different finding.

I don't need to do anything other than tell them that until they publish their results in peer-reviewed journals all they are doing is conjecture.

stevevw said:
Peer review does not make it science. You don't need peer review to confirm that an object measures 5 cm on a ruler. Do you think you need some professor in a tower confirming that the guage measure above is correct. You can get a set of guage sensors and see for yourself. No better evidence.

An object measuring 5 cm is not science.

stevevw said:
WE have good providence vases showing precision. This whole thread has become about knocking down logical fallacy. You know very well that vases from Petrie museum tested precise.

According to Max they didn't cluster with the precise vases.

stevevw said:
They have been measured in various ways 50 times over. They have been measured properly. And even if we go with the exaggerated slight deviations in some places on the vase. We are talking 2 or 3 thinness of paper. Other parts within a hair thinness. This level of precision has to have been made by a pretty sophisticated lathe. It was not by sticks, flint, chisels and pounders.

We have 3 independent tests and they use the same and different methods. The light scanning is a matter of levels of accuracy. The Artifact group mentions results from the OG vase guage method and that the light scans confirmed and tightened the accuracy. Each method is showing the precision in various ways. None are contradicting each other.

Independent but with overlap in participants.

stevevw said:
The trouble is OLga cheated. She actually used the wheel (like a lathe) to get the better precision and only proving that tech is needed to achieve such precision lol.

stevevw said:
I don't know what you mean. I am saying as part of being a precision machinist in making parts you have to be able to know the metrology to ensure the parts are precise lol. Its just a given. You don't need an article to prove that.

Metrology is a science in itself, people do science in the field of metrology. If you say some is doing the science of metrology your saying something more than they know how to take a measure. So yes, to be good in the science of metrology you actually need to publish is metrology journals.

stevevw said:
If they studied precision tooling and did not teach the science of measuring those precision tools and parts then thats pretty silly.

Taking measures by it self is not the science of metrology.

stevevw said:
Most papers don't go into proving the scientists have the equipment or whether they can use them. They just state the equipment, the calibration and the method and findings. Your placing criteria in a paper that is not expected and therefore being bias.

If they publish in metrology journals they go over the equipment and methods in excruciating detail.

stevevw said:
If you want to know the specific scientists ability you research the scientist seperately. If you do that you will find he has vast experience and knowledge in metrology. He measures stull all the time even down to the micro level.

He has two peer-reviewed articles, neither of which is in any adjacent field to geomtrical light scanning.

stevevw said:
Max does Gamma Spectroscopy, Neutron Detection, Alpha Dection which all require an understanding of metrology. Even more complex than simple vase measures.

Neutron Detection – Maximus Energy

maximus.energy

Yes, but it is not related to geometry scanning of vases.

stevevw said:
I think you will find they are arguing their opinion is the final word lol. When they call the very testers they are disagreeing with whackpos and amateurs this is not about any fair process. They have it in for them because of an ideological belief and not science. You don't call those who scientists disagree with whackos lol.

That depends on how obviously wrong they are, flat earthers are wackos even if they happen to be scientistst.

stevevw said:
Like you said you keep quiet about that and just do the science. Prove it with the actual science. That means doing exactly what the testers did. Redo the tests in the proper way they claim and see what findings they get.

No need since they don't seem to want to publish in peer-reviewed journals.

stevevw said:
Well we sort of do know the providence. If the Petrie museum thinks they are genuine enough to house them as examples of Egyptian predyanstic vases then thats pretty good support. Many artifacts in museums come from private collectors on loan. .

Yes, and it has been a problem since the advent of modern scientific practices.

stevevw said:
Lol so if they don't find the tool or device what then.

Then we will have to live in forever suspense, not speculating on unknown technology X.

stevevw said:
That this must mean no advanced method was used. Of course not. NOt finding the method does not negate the method. The method is determined by the signatures. A certain level of precision in symmetry and roundness is commonly associated with lathing. If we don't find a lathe does that mean it was not created by a lathe.

So what are the pairwise likelihood ratios or Bayes factors for using unknown method X vs "ortohodox measures" vs "ortohodox measures" + turntable vs modern fakery?

stevevw said:
The problem is we don't find much of any tools and methods fullstop. Even the basic tools. Metals like copper or bronze were reused as it was precisious and useful. BUt if they had some other way we don't understand we would not even know what to look for.

Then we will probably never guess it correctly either, what's the problem?

stevevw said:
Yes for specific examples you have to do a thorough investigation into not just the science but also like you said the cultural aspects, the archeology, social and religious aspects. All aspects to understand the culture and their practices and how this relates to the worls they produce.

stevevw said:
But like cultural practice and phenomena we can step back and make some general observations. We can say for example that at a certain point in pre history the world was full of Megalithic cultures as we see the massive works. We don't need to prove every single example.

Yes, every single example you say is a product of an megalithic culture needs to be investigated and placed by the best researchers in that field as an megalithic culture work.

stevevw said:
We can make hypothesis about the level of knowledge they had at that time which stands out above other periods.

Sitting at home guessing is all good, trying to convince others in the field requires more that that (let's start with peer-review).

stevevw said:
Even just investigating the out of place works is enough to warrant further investigation and being open to some sort of alternative knowledge that appears beyond that time. Thats why I think those who immediate cry whacko and conspiracy are actually the non scientist. Because science is full of out of place and contradictory ideas that move it forward. Shutting it down immediate is anti scientific and more a belief.

No one is stopping them.

stevevw said:
I have noticed that some are highlighting the less precise specific examples and trying to make out this is the entire vase and therefore not CNC machines. Or exaggerating that less precision when its actually still very good.

Very good, is a very subjective term.

stevevw said:
Thats why I say I think a formal and complete retesting is required to properly refute the researchers. All this bits and pieces of complaints on social media are too hard to control and ensure proper methods themselves.

They could just publish it a peer-reviewed journal, you know.

stevevw said:
But at the same time I am reducing things to the basics and saying ok lets forget about all the semantics about a few so called imprecise examples. As there are many more precise ones. But forget about all that and the basic idea of whether they had a lathe at all. Or made these by chisels, pounders and rubbing. I think we can say the metrology is precise enough to say a lathe was involved. Its just a case of how sophsiticated.

Your opinion is noted, I don't share it.

stevevw said:
Yes the providence again. Thats fair enough. So other vases like the OG have tested precise from the Petrie museum. One I think even more precise than the OG vase. Which sort of lends support for the OG as its not just a one off anymore.

But the problem is like all of us when you challenge the tests your not just making a personal opinion. It has to be qualified. It seems everyone in going crazy about the qualifications of every little thing said by these researchers. But no scrutiny on the people who are questioning their credibility.

They could just publish it a peer-reviewed journal, you know.

stevevw said:
You need to support what you said because its actually challenging the testers. In the first example your disputing a measure. But you have provided no support. This is undermining the testers measures. You need to do tests and show how their measures are not reflecting the 3D dimensions of the vase.

I said something about me.

stevevw said:
The second one is more a general claim that the formal tests that have been officially published and laid out in academic format are the same as a few sentences on a social media platform. Your word just can't be the evidence. I disagreed and gave the arguement why ie done in academic format, did the tests and explained the steps to get to that specific measures.

They could just publish it a peer-reviewed journal, you know.

stevevw said:
They are clearly two different formats. You have not provided any evidence for how they are the same. Just your personal opinion.

They could just publish it a peer-reviewed journal, you know.

stevevw said:
Ok well thats a better response. But I think its still out of context. As far as I understand they have done the 3D measure for circularity and concentricity. They even state this. They aim was to prove the precision in the physical 3D vase. Why would they not do this. Are they lying.

That wasn't close to my admittedly badly written objection. Why dont they just use the normal ISO 1101 measure of circularity or roundness?

stevevw said:
Structured light scanning:
This process uses structured light to capture the surface of the vases, creating precise 3D models with high resolution (better than a thousandth of an inch).

Like I said I am only trying to apply the same criteria of what is being applied to these tests and researchers. Like proper science if a test or claim is being disputed then they should redo the tests and show how this was wrong. Not pick out bits out of context which misrepresents things.

But with all this fixation on a specific example of a specific example is taking away from the bigger picture.

There's no bigger picture if the constituent parts haven't been criticized and published.

Bradskii · 2025-10-15T01:28:49-0500

2PhiloVoid said:
Why shouldn't we be looking for vertical morality or ethics? Because it's not good for democracy or communism or something?

And just in passing, your post implies a morality decreed by...whoever is considered to be at the top of your vertical ladder. Are we to then assume that you would automatically accept all the ethical rules and commandments that would be issued without thought? Or would you personally decide if they are justified or not?

Pommer · 2025-10-15T01:28:30-0500

Oompa Loompa said:
There seems to have been some kind of fad that was popular with the military. I just do not understand how this qualifies as current events. We might as well be talking about Sarah Palin hunting wolves from a helicopter.

People are free to be irrational.
Americans both bought and sold something called a Pet Rock, after all.

Paulwat said:
Back in 2013, a U.S. Air Force unit training to fly America’s most advanced military aircraft wore a patch inspired by the television show My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic.

The Air Force confirmed it: bronies were flying jets.
“We train world-class pilots who will go on to defend our great nation,” said 1st Lt. Tom Barger, a public affairs officer at Vance Air Force Base in Oklahoma. “Fostering camaraderie, morale and unity on a regular basis and through small means—like a tastefully humorous patch—enhances our ability to complete the mission when working as a team is essential.”

The pink and purple patch—first spotted by My Little Pony fan site Equestria Daily—and worn by 24 flight students from Joint Undergraduate Specialized Pilot Class 14-05, referenced the cable cartoon show about a team of magical ponies.

The Air Force Had a Brony Squadron

Flying and friendship were magic

www.trenchart.us

Yooooo, this is just too awesome. As a brony myself I'm happy to see this happened.

And it helps combat stereotypes and shows cartoons aren't just for kids and can be enjoyed by anybody.

“Flight crews carry lucky-charms” too on-point?

linux.poet · 2025-10-15T01:25:30-0500

BobRyan said:
True. And the Baptist Confession of faith calls it "The Ten Commandments" saying it is the same as when given to Adam in Eden.
1 John 3:4 "SIN Is transgression of the LAW" refers to the moral law of God that includes the Decalogue

yep. IT is scripture and even the Baptist Confession of faith affirms the TEN

Nothing in the Baptist Confession of faith claims that Christ opposed even one command in the Decalogue.

true

Matt 5 says to oppose any part of it, is not approved. "He who ignores the least commandment and so teaches others, is not approved

Yep.

As Heb 8 points out -- it is Christ speaking at Sinai

Bible Churches worship on Sunday, but in terms of the moral Law, SDA and Bible Churches both come off the Baptist “family tree” of Anglican Reformation theology and so there will be many points on which we agree. Thank you for taking the time to point out what you saw as errors, but I’m still not really good enough to go into a Sabbatarian debate, and this this the wrong forum for that anyway.

I’m slightly concerned about Xeno’s idea about making Christ’s teachings into a law, but I’m not on a high enough theological level to really get into the subtleties there. I think Christ’s teachings were more in the line of “this is how you are loyal to me, this is how you follow me” rather than a Law. Laws imply punishments for violators; Christ knew we would never measure up without the Holy Spirit and a glorified body. But His teachings do clearly define what is sin and is what is not, we are to be perfect as our Heavenly Father is perfect. (Matthew 5:48) Whatever success we have at following his commands shows the Holy Spirit’s work in our lives.

Aaron112 · 2025-10-15T01:22:31-0500

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bèlla · 2025-10-15T01:17:23-0500

eclipsenow said:
As with your post. Where did YOU condemn the attitudes above?
Utter hypocrisy.

These threads are increasingly disturbing and I genuinely wonder how some people profess to follow Christ while holding hateful ideologies or condoning them.

~bella

rdclmn72 · 2025-10-15T01:06:52-0500

We had breakfast at 7am and left for Be Well. Soon enough it was time to go do outreach in a neighboring community.
We walked toward the highway and got a ride in a CNG; a three-wheeled vehicle that sits 5, and made our way down the highway.
Before getting to our destination there was an accident. A pickup was speeding and rammed us from behind.
The front windshield shattered and we turned off the road.
All three of us in the back were impacted by the crash.
My wife hit her head, I hit my head and my back was impacted, and our leader was hit on the head.
My wife only got a bump on her head.
My nose was cut and I needed stitches on my head.
Jonathan, our leader got a concussion. He doesn't remember the crash.
We are just grateful that God protected us from something worse.

eclipsenow · 2025-10-15T01:05:25-0500

Vambram said:
I predict that in 30 years the large majority of Americans will look back on the Trump years with great admiration.

Ha ha ha.
I "predict" that the world and other 66% of Americans that DIDN'T vote for Trump already see him like this!

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St_Worm2 · 2025-10-15T00:58:07-0500

Wedding Album

Bradskii · 2025-10-15T00:46:08-0500

stevevw said:
I am disagreeing with the analogy and methodlogy in the first place that you are using to determine morality. So why would I play along lol. It will not prove anything about whether there is actually absolute or objective morals.

The logic and reasoning are self defeating and incoherent as the basis for morality. In fact dangerous.

In other words...you can't think of an act without any context whereby we can determine the morality of said act. Can you agree with that, please? Then we'd be done.

Failing that, your only other option (and there are only 2) is to agree that the morality of all acts are determined by the context.

Which is it? It's not possible to disagree with both.

rjs330 · 2025-10-15T00:34:42-0500

RocksInMyHead said:
it does not mean that the situation meets the standard of "rebellion" under the Constitution.

The constitution does not define rebellion as only trying to take over the government as you defined it. Other forms of rebellion against rhe government can apply. And in this case that is what is happening.

The real question should be, is this rebellion justified. Because some rebellions are. You should admit this is a rebellion in places and then answering if it is a justified one. Thats the real discussion.

RocksInMyHead said:
Which is not happening.

Yes it is. Ive seen the videos.

RocksInMyHead said:
Again, rebellions are inherently organized and seek to overthrow the authority of the government. That is not happening anywhere in the US today.

These rebellions in these area are organized and often paid for. Of course not every person there is part it, but they dont have to be in order for it to work. Its happening in Portland and Chicago.

RocksInMyHead said:
The reality is that this is not actually happening though.

Yes it is. We've even had posters on this forum admit it and were proud of it.

RocksInMyHead said:
Temporarily being obstructed does not prevent them from doing their jobs in the bigger picture of things.

Thats not the definition of obstruction.

RocksInMyHead said:
If, for example, the local police or national guard had been instructed by city leadership or the governor to stop ICE from doing their jobs, then you might have a point - that would be very similar to the conditions under which Eisenhower federalized the Arkansas Guard. But a few citizens getting in the way of their own volition are in no way comparable.

You dont have to have city or state governments to be involved. Thats not a requirement of the law. Having citizens involved is enough.

BobRyan · 2025-10-15T00:24:14-0500

BobRyan said: Turns out we are also supposed to "Love GOD with all our heart" Deut 6:5, Matt 22.

Hentenza said:
And we do but not as part of the Jewish law but as the commandment given by Jesus.

Not true.

In Matt 22 Jesus is quoting from the OT text and His audience admits it.

Exegesis matters.

34 But when the Pharisees heard that Jesus had silenced the Sadducees, they gathered themselves together. 35 One of them, a lawyer, asked Him a question, testing Him, 36 “Teacher, which is the great commandment in the Law?” 37 And He said to him, “‘You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind.’ 38 This is the great and foremost commandment. 39 The second is like it, ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’ 40 On these two commandments depend the whole Law and the Prophets.”

It is very clear that Jesus gave the same answer from the Law of Moses that the Jews already admitted to being the case.

LUKE 10:

25 And behold, a lawyer stood up and put Him to the test, saying, “Teacher, what shall I do to inherit eternal life?” 26 And He said to him, “What is written in the Law? How does it read to you?” 27 And he answered, “You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your strength, and with all your mind; and your neighbor as yourself.” 28 And He said to him, “You have answered correctly; do this and you will live.” 29 But wanting to justify himself, he said to Jesus, “And who is my neighbor?”

Hentenza said:
And the two commandments summarize the whole law

Just as the Jews already admit as we saw in Luke 10 above.

They never argue that Lev 19:18 deletes God's Law,

Hentenza said:
You can’t keep the law and walk by the Spirit at the same time.

That is the opposite teaching from what we find in scripture, in places like Romans 8. Your statement above merely quotes "you"

by contrast actual scripture says

Rom 8:
, He condemned sin in the flesh, 4 so that the requirement of the Law might be fulfilled in us, who do not walk according to the flesh but according to the Spirit. 5 For those who are according to the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh, but those who are according to the Spirit, the things of the Spirit. 6 For the mind set on the flesh is death, but the mind set on the Spirit is life and peace, 7 because the mind set on the flesh is hostile toward God; for it does not subject itself to the law of God, for it is not even able to do so,

Hentenza said:
Strawman. No one is arguing that the law was deleted.

Are you reading your own posts?

Rom 8 identifies the lost as "hostile toward God" not "subjecting themselves to the LAW of God".

Rom 7 quotes from the TEN "do not covet" pointing to it as in the LAW of God and stating that violation of that Ten Commandment Law "is sin"
Just as we see in Rom 13, and Eph 6:1-2 and in James 2.

Hentenza said:
Let me remind you how Romans 8 begins.

“Therefore there is now no condemnation at all for those who are in Christ Jesus. For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has set you free from the law of sin and of death. For what the Law could not do, weak as it was through the flesh, God did: sending His own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh and as an offering for sin, He condemned sin in the flesh, so that the requirement of the Law might be fulfilled in us who do not walk according to the flesh but according to the Spirit.”

Rom 8 not only has Christ fulfilling the Law but ALSO has each one of us doing it by the Spirit , rather than ignoring it.

So then "do not take God's name in vain" fulfilled (complied with) not just in the life of Christ but also the walk of the saints.

Hentenza said:
‭Do you honestly think that Paul is promoting the law even after calling it weak and ineffective?

"do not take God's name in vain" is only weak and ineffective in the life of the one that is not born again. Paul points to the saints in Rom 8 as in compliance, in harmony with God's Law and not at all at war with it.

Hentenza said:
Unfortunately your interpretation creates quite a bit of tension in scripture

Not even remotely.

IT shows as John states in 1 John 2
3 By this we know that we have come to know Him, if we keep His commandments. 4 The one who says, “I have come to know Him,” and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him; 5 but whoever keeps His word, in him the love of God has truly been perfected. By this we know that we are in Him: 6 the one who says he abides in Him ought himself to walk in the same manner as He walked.

Hentenza said:
even within the same author. The Bible writers don’t condemn something in one place only to promote it in another.

exactly

Hentenza said:
The Bible is consistent in its teachings.

exactly my point

rjs330 · 2025-10-15T00:22:34-0500

Larniavc said:
That wasn’t the question I asked.

I dont care. This is not the topic of discussion. Does your question have anything to do with this topic? If so be plain on how. I'm not i terested in going off some tangent rhat has nothing to do with this topic.

Bradskii · 2025-10-15T00:18:04-0500

Oompa Loompa said:
How about the hostages who were saved?

I'm not sure there'll be much room. I think we need a bigger award.

FireDragon76 · 2025-10-14T23:58:02-0500

RileyG said:
I wonder why?

Lots of reasons, mostly cultural or having to do with Orthodox perceived as a high-demand religion (a perception that is often accurate). There's also the fact the number of Orthodox Christians in the US is relatively small, and some potential spouses have high standards and view marriage as being at least somewhat of a social transaction between families, and not necessarily in terms of western individualism.

The end result is that in the last couple of decades, the orthodox church hasn't really grown in size much, even though conversions have continued, as statistically converts have tended to lose interest after several years, or cradle Orthodox disaffiliate.

Pommer · 2025-10-14T23:49:19-0500

Hentenza said:
CAIRO/JERUSALEM (Reuters) -Israel restricted aid into Gaza and kept the enclave's border shut on Tuesday while re-emergent Hamas fighters demonstrated their grip by executing men in the street, darkening the outlook for U.S. President Donald Trump's plan to end the war.

https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/hamas-fighters-tighten-grip-gaza-clouding-future-ceasefire-2025-10-14/

Hamas continues their violence preventing much needed aid for Gazans. The only way this peace will hold is if Hamas lays down their weapons and stops the violence.

OP said:
Meanwhile, re-emergent Hamas fighters demonstrated they were reasserting control in Gaza by deploying hundreds of security forces in the streets and executing several people they accused of collaborating with Israel.

This is why it isn’t generally a “good thing” to assume what one’s God wants is what a Government should “strive” towards.

Sure HAMAS is evil, but this is the upshot of them being sure that their cause is just; that the only way (their) God’s will has been thwarted is if “we were betrayed from within!”

Then again, it might just be “settling-scores” now that it’s clear that the leadership of Hamas has failed its citizens miserably there’ll be a power-struggle within Gaza…this might be the beginnings of that?

Michie · 2025-10-14T23:41:10-0500

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Michie · 2025-10-14T23:34:04-0500

AI summary:

No, according to Catholic teaching, Adam and Eve are not a myth but are considered the real, first parents of all humanity. While the biblical creation story is understood to convey profound truths through symbolic and spiritual language, the Church teaches that Adam and Eve were literal, historical individuals from whom the human race descends and in whom Original Sin is rooted.

Literal first parents:
The Catechism of the Catholic Churchstates that the whole of human history is marked by the original fault committed by our first parents, Adam and Eve. Catholic Answers emphasizes that the Church teaches they were real, literal first parents from whom all humans descend.
Symbolic and literal:
The Church teaches that the Genesis account is both real and symbolic. The events took place in reality, but the story may not be a literal, scientific, or historical retelling of events. Catholic scholars often see the Genesis stories as symbolic, metaphoric stories that express basic truths about the human condition, while still being accounts of real history.
Monogenism vs. Polygenism:
This teaching is tied to the concept of monogenism (the idea that humans descended from one couple). The Church's position is that all people are descendants of Adam and Eve and are implicated in their sin, a belief that stands in contrast to the theory of polygenism (humans descending from many progenitors).
No definitive position on every detail:
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keras · 2025-10-14T23:33:15-0500

Jipsah said:
I think I said that at the outset, at least about England. We do know that He lived in Egypt for a time.

Jesus was just an infant in Egypt, For 2 or 3 years at the most.

As for the 18 years between when He taught in the Temple, to when He was Commissioned, the Bible says nothing.
Most people assume He never left Nazareth then, but those were dangerous times. Tiberius was Emperor; 14 to 37 CE, expanding, conquering and brutally supressing any revolts. Britian was conquered by Caesar in 55BC, then under full control after 47AD. Plenty of records prove how Rome traded with them. Even before the conquest, according to the Greek geographer Strabo, Britain exported gold, silver, iron, hides, slaves, and hounds in addition to grain.

The legends of ancient Britian say Jesus did go there. It was possible and quite sensible. People should seriously consider why they object to it, in the absence of any hard evidence either way.

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“Preventing global warming … would require major reductions in fossil fuel combustion. Unless that happened, there are some potentially catastrophic events that must be considered … Once the effects are measurable, they might not be reversible.”