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Spending on Welfare is 'unchristian'

With regards to whether or not it's "Christian" (speaking as someone who's not Christian, but you posed the question in the section that's open to everyone)
Absolutely, good to hear from you!

Truth 1: There are a lot of people who abuse entitlement programs. I've seen it in my own family. People who could work, find reasons not to. People who aren't physically challenged, will find a Chiropractor in a strip mall to sign off on them having "lower back issues" or "fibromyalgia" in order to get on disability.

Truth 2: There are people who are legitimately physically or mentally disabled and need long term help, or people who've fallen on some extraordinary hard times and need some short term help.

I agree! Sadly I have seen that the government seems to make it harder for genuine disabled people to claim than scoundrels and wasterels. I had a relative who quite openly said there was nothing wrong with them, but knew how to play the system for benefits, pretending to be bed ridden for their assessment then going into town to spend the money on designer clothes, on the other hand I have met severely disabled people in despair at the hoops they had to jump through to get support.


Truth 3: In terms of addressing "Truth 1", there's not exactly a great incentive structure in place to encourage able-bodied people to work if their bottom-line outcome isn't going to be any better than the life on benefits.

"Hey, instead of pretending to have back problems in order to get your $1100/month, you could go bust your hump at a fast food restaurant or dealing with rude people in retail for 30 hours a week to get your $1100/month" isn't exactly a compelling argument.

Yes I agree with that too. The system seems to be broken which I why I think Kemi Badenoch might have a point. And I'm not a Conservative.

God Bless :)
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Are the Jews Israel, or is the church Israel? Or does it depend on the context of the passage?

Are you not aware that Jesus never said John 3:16, that it was an author commentary?
Nope that is not true but it doesn’t surprise me that you would make such an argument without evidence.
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The Mamdani Model: More Socialist Mayors to ComeBeware! The DSA will attempt to repeat Mamdani’s success in other Democrat strongholds.

I think it may be too late to save the name. For my part, I would rather be know as a "blasphemous pervert" like the Bishop of DC anyway.
It's a good thing we're not blasphemouspervertforums.com.
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Are there still Apostles today?

Ok... well... I am not Catholic and it seems if these people were called to be apostles and have accomplished what you said they accomplished ( like plant 32,000 churches) they would be very well known. So be it.
Thanks for sharing.
They are very well known in the countries they are called to. They just are not celebrity status or flashy
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Fellowship Distinctions in scripture associated with being born again and being filled with The Holy Spirit (Read the rule-set before you post)

Isn’t repentance needed . Unless we repent we will likewise perish, Jesus came preaching the gospel saying repent and believe the gospel. Immersion in water , as I understand is to be washed from our sins, to symbolically be buried with Christ and coming up out of the water as a living sacrifice looking forward to the resurrection, but the Holy Spirit is given by the laying on of hands. GOD is the one who grants repentance. GODLY sorrow produces repentance. Peter said to the crowd on Pentecost, repent and be baptized or have sins washed away, then by the laying on of hands receive the holy spirit . Seems to be a process; GODLY sorrow, repentance, baptism, Holy Spirit. From what I have read and studied this process was always used with only one exception, Cornelius and his household. What do you think ?

If you look at Acts 2, the 120 had the same thing happen that happened to Cornelius's household, they were born again then immediately filled with The Spirit. Cornelius's house was water immersed afterwards.

The process in scripture is as follows: repentance, immersion into The Holy Spirit where He applies the blood of Jesus to be born anew spiritually, water immersion in the name of Jesus, the filing of The Holy Spirit, and then one that many never reach for, the Spiritual anointing upon our head, ie the crown of life from The Father.
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Struggling with scrupulosity

Thank you Mari17. I have listened to him some. I do things on this journey that is textbook scrupulosity. I try to say the opposite of my thought, I research constantly, I seek reassurance, I pretty much stay away from triggers but every once in a while I will approach them to see if I have the same response. “Do I still feel this anger and cynicism toward God”? I know all of that is foolish but I am desperate. I read passages like Hebrews 10:26-29 And I just know it’s talking about me. I am ashamed of all my willful sin. I wish I could back 40+ years and do the right things this time. I am angry at the person I have become because of it. I am learning more about myself though. Turns out I am a narcissist. I sought peoples approval and praise because of growing up so poor. I always wanted to be known as intelligent and good at what I do. I never saw how selfish I was. Well, that’s enough of that. Sorry for the long reply.
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Elijah Comes First

I've used Redhat Fedora Linux for some years, and this was typed on a Linux computer.

I'm just a user, with no formal training and until I saw your post i had no idea what GNU HURD was. I'd heard of GNU, but the idea of a computer HURD which may or may not stampede over the finish line before Elijah returns is something I'll have to leave to far more educated IT people like the Liturgist.

If Elijah comes first, GNU HURD will be the least of our worries. Meanwhile what is the Liturgist going to do all day with no computers in heaven?
And no one to debate with!!!
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The Electrical Nature of the Universe

Conventional teaching is that the sun and stars obtain their energy by nuclear reaction, that is: atoms splitting to become less complex elements, thereby releasing energy.
No, just the opposite. Stars are powered by nuclear fusion, where hydrogen atoms ared fused together. Here's the drill:
  • In the first stage two protons combine and one of them converts into a neutron to form a nucleus of the heavy isotope of hydrogen known as deuterium.
  • Next, the deuterium nucleus combines with another proton to form the light helium isotope known as helium-3.
  • Finally, two helium-3 nuclei combine to form helium-4, releasing two protons.
Tada!

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Suspect in DC Ambush of 2 National Guardsmen Is Afghan National Who Entered US During Biden Admin

The same applies there. The mentally ill in particular are unlikely to know the laws at all or if they do, believe they apply to them
The same applies to individuals, let alone their religious groups, that missed the memo about rendering unto Caesar, when they insist they are to follow God's laws only.
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Hell doesn't exist and there is no eternal suffering, instead bad peolle just cease to exist

Thank you for expressing your private opinion of all the above
De nada. amigo. We've all noted your interesting opinions as well. Dang, even Islam is closer to Christianity than the claptrap you're peddling.

I have to admit, I think you have to be taking the Mickey here. Atheists. and particularly "Satanists" like to come into groups like this to "stir the pot" as it were by posting inflammatory flapdoodle like yours just to see how big an uproar they can create. While I'm sure there are some sects like the one you claim to represent out there, i don't think you're in one of them. You're just larping. That's fine. I don't think anyone here is gonna take your rantings very seriously. You set out to wind us up, and you did for a bit, but I think you've gotten about as much mileage out of it as you're going to.
, but may I remind you that "opinions are like noses". Everybody has their own
And some have ones that they play at having just to see how people react. <Laugh>
, so your private opinion is absolutely worthless to me
Egad sir, you've cut me to the quick! (And few things hurt more than a cut quick.) 8)
I just follow the Lord.
This is we're supposed to react with shock/horror/outrage/ anger/indignation/ superannuation (no, I already have that)/whatever, right? OK, I'm oficially expressing all of the above.

Friendly hint, though. Don't play this game with the Muslims. Those geezers will actually come after you. Just sayin'
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What would have happened to Adam and Eve and Cain after death?

I wasn't sure but this is what copilot said: These passages emphasize that on Judgment Day, Jesus will be the ultimate judge, and past examples of repentance (Nineveh, Queen of Sheba) or rejection (Chorazin, Bethsaida, Capernaum) will stand as witnesses against those who refuse to recognize him. They highlight that Jesus is greater than Jonah and Solomon, and that failure to repent in his presence carries heavier consequences than past generations faced.
John. Can I make a suggestion...
I know you are intelligent, and it doesn't matter how young you are, I know you can think.
I'm sure you can do better than Copilot, so would you mind leaving Copilot out of something that requires an intelligent mind using thinking faculties, and just use your brain for this?
Copilot can only give you what people feed it.

You can do better John.
Besides, I'm asking what you think. Not what other people believe.
You don't have to be correct, and you don't have to be incorrect. You just have to look at it, and say what it looks like.
I would prefer that because it's coming from a mind that's 'clean' - no indoctrination, or bias.

Take a look at each text.
So that you can see it in its almost original form, I put it kind of raw. I hope it's not confusing. Let me know if it is.
Pay attention more so to what it is saying, without trying to interpret it.

Matthew 12:41
Men of Nineveh will anistémi: To raise, to rise, to stand up, to resurrect en: in, on, at, by, with, among the judgment meta: with, after, among this generation
Matthew 12:42
basilissa: Queen of [the] south egeiró: To raise, to awaken, to arouse en: in, on, at, by, with, among the judgment meta: with, after, among this generation

Luke 10:14
It will be more bearable for Tyre and Sidon en: in, on, at, by, with, among the judgment than for you.

There is also Matthew 10:15, which I forgot to add.
Truly I say to you, on the day of judgment, it will be more tolerable for the land of Sodom and of Gomorrah than for that city.
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What are YOU currently reading? (8)

I liked A Separate Peace. I enjoy the prestigious-school-with-intense-friendships-and-rivalries "genre," so I'm gonna read another book in the same vein, Prep by Curtis Sittenfeld. (Though, judging by the review on the cover, this one might feature more identity politics than what I prefer.)

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Synopsis from Amazon:

"Lee Fiora is an intelligent, observant fourteen-year-old when her father drops her off in front of her dorm at the prestigious Ault School in Massachusetts. She leaves her animated, affectionate family in South Bend, Indiana, at least in part because of the boarding school’s glossy brochure, in which boys in sweaters chat in front of old brick buildings, girls in kilts hold lacrosse sticks on pristinely mown athletic fields, and everyone sings hymns in chapel.

As Lee soon learns, Ault is a cloistered world of jaded, attractive teenagers who spend summers on Nantucket and speak in their own clever shorthand. Both intimidated and fascinated by her classmates, Lee becomes a shrewd observer of—and, ultimately, a participant in—their rituals and mores. As a scholarship student, she constantly feels like an outsider and is both drawn to and repelled by other loners. By the time she’s a senior, Lee has created a hard-won place for herself at Ault. But when her behavior takes a self-destructive and highly public turn, her carefully crafted identity within the community is shattered.

Ultimately, Lee’s experiences–complicated relationships with teachers; intense friendships with other girls; an all-consuming preoccupation with a classmate who is less than a boyfriend and more than a crush; conflicts with her parents, from whom Lee feels increasingly distant, coalesce into a singular portrait of the painful and thrilling adolescence universal to us all."
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Progressive government is the antithesis of a biblically based republic.

You've debunked -- nothing.

Very mature.
Congratulations on your first typo-free post of the thread in awhile. Very intellectual of you. As long as you wish to derail the discussion, let's bring back this gem of a post:
Who knows. I give up trying to read his mind.
If you gave up trying to read his mind why would you later admit to assuming he was talking about Charlie Kirk? Thy contradictions know no bounds.
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Why we are not supposed to keep the Sabbath

He didn't become Lord of the Sabbath i.e. the creation, He is the Lord of the Sabbath Creator of it starting back from the beginning.
Now you are adding words to scripture. The sabbath is not “the” creation but what happened at the end of creation. No one before Moses kept the sabbath because there was no commandment for it yet. And when the law was given to Moses it was for the Jews not for the gentiles.
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‘Go to Berkeley’: Ron DeSantis said students seeking ‘woke’ classes should study elsewhere

And:
The average SAT score is down 24 points since then; the average ACT score of 25 is the highest at New College since 2020. The state study also found New College has the lowest percentage of job placement among those with bachelor’s degrees and the lowest starting salary for graduates.​
Berkeley is looking good.....

Huh. Who could of guessed putting anti-intellectual ideologists in charge of a system of education would lead to a poor outcome?

Is there a control group to compare it to?



ACT scores are down across the board since the HS graduates of 2020-2022 had their learning disrupted due to the pandemic.


Also, it doesn't sound like comparing this place (which has a grand total of about 700 students from what I'm reading) to Berkeley is a apples to apples comparison.


That'd be kind of like saying "See this is why the thing I said about tech degrees being worthless is accurate, look at this results comparison between this normal college and ITT Tech"

The fact that someone can find a terrible school in Florida doesn't validate or invalidate the criticisms about Berkeley.
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Revelation 4 interpretation

Rev 4.4 After this I looked, and there before me was a door standing open in heaven. And the voice I had first heard speaking to me like a trumpet said, “Come up here, and I will show you what must take place after this.” 2 At once I was in the Spirit, and there before me was a throne in heaven with someone sitting on it. 3 And the one who sat there had the appearance of jasper and ruby. A rainbow that shone like an emerald encircled the throne. 4 Surrounding the throne were twenty-four other thrones, and seated on them were twenty-four elders. They were dressed in white and had crowns of gold on their heads. 5 From the throne came flashes of lightning, rumblings and peals of thunder. In front of the throne, seven lamps were blazing. These are the seven spirits of God. 6 Also in front of the throne there was what looked like a sea of glass, clear as crystal.

In the center, around the throne, were four living creatures, and they were covered with eyes, in front and in back. 7 The first living creature was like a lion, the second was like an ox, the third had a face like a man, the fourth was like a flying eagle. 8 Each of the four living creatures had six wings and was covered with eyes all around, even under its wings. Day and night they never stop saying:

“‘Holy, holy, holy
is the Lord God Almighty,’
who was, and is, and is to come.”

9 Whenever the living creatures give glory, honor and thanks to him who sits on the throne and who lives for ever and ever, 10 the twenty-four elders fall down before him who sits on the throne and worship him who lives for ever and ever. They lay their crowns before the throne and say:

11 “You are worthy, our Lord and God,
to receive glory and honor and power,
for you created all things,
and by your will they were created
and have their being.”


In 1 Chron 24, David set up 24 head priests, descended from Aaron. This was just the random number that developed from the number of families descended from Aaron at that time. It may have been God's way of expressing a double witness to the significance of Israel's 12 tribes. Everything was confirmed, as legitimate testimony under the Law, when there was a minimum of 2 witnesses. Aaron had two surviving sons, from whom these 24 leading priests were taken.

So the 24 elders appear to serve as representatives of the priestly order of Christ, whose atonement opened the gate for our entry into Heaven. They were dressed in white to show that Christians, who have access to Heaven, are made pure in the blood of Christ. And they had gold crowns, indicating that Christians have the authority of Christ, their head, to judge the world.

The lightning and thunder indicate that the purification of the Church leads to judgment of this world. The 7 blazing lamps are representative of the 7 churches in John's time, among which the faithful live by the Spirit of God. This brings conviction and judgment to the world around them.

I would suggest that these agents, ie the 24 elders and the 7 spirits, are angels, who represent what Christ has done for and in the Church. And the same follows for the 4 living creatures. They are angels representing something with respect to Christians, whom Christ has redeemed by his sacrifice.

These 4 creatures have the face of a man, which hearkens back to the Creation, when God gave Man rulership over the earth and over its creatures. These particular creatures serve the purpose of Man, after his redemption, to bring judgment upon the earth.

This judgment has been ongoing, from the time of the Fall, and even after the redeeming work of Christ. And it will be consummated at the Return of Christ, when the world will be judged in the Battle of Armageddon, and in Eternity through Christ's final sentencing.

The 4 creatures include both a lion and a flying eagle, both signifying God's predatory judgments against sinners, whether nations or their rulers. The "flying" eagle signifies that the judgment is already in process.

The 4 creatures also include an ox, representative of the plowing up of hardened land. The hardened land indicates nations, including Israel, who have resisted the Gospel of Christ, and must be plowed up in order to fulfill God's purposes on earth.

All of these things, before God's throne, indicates what transpires from the time of Christ's death to the consummation of His purposes at the Return of Christ. Judgment is ongoing, but delayed, until final judgment falls at the Return of Christ.
Something to consider is the tabernacle layout during the Exodus and Wandering. There were four camps of Israelites around the tabernacle, a camp for each direction. Judah, whose symbol was a Lion, was the east camp. Dan, the eagle, to the north. Ephraim the calf to the west. Reuben the man to the south. The sealed scroll of Revelation 5 is essentially the tabernacle of God being spread out across the whole earth. Notice in Revelation 6 that the four horsemen proceed when the four creatures say, "Come!" These were all ways the gospel was spread across the earth. The fifth seal sees blood of saints under the altar of burnt sacrifice, which was in the outer court. This indicates that martyrdom would be another way to bear witness. Finally, the sixth seal shows signs that strike fear into the hearts of God's adversaries. This is akin to the Spirt of God entering the Temple, as in the days of Solomon's Temple. The 144,000 are represented in the tabernacle as 12 loaves of bread. The multitude of martyrs are represented by the Levites. Finally, the incense offering of the seventh seal occurs in the Holy Place. All of these serve the purpose spreading the gospel to the whole world, building up Christ's Church.
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