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Morality without Absolute Morality

Now I have read the article, it is rich in hypotheticals and possibilities but there is not one calculation or simulation that describes the increase in fitness for humans by adopting a forced-sex mating strategy so what conclusions are one to draw from it? Do you know if anyone have put down their concrete assumptions and made any calculations?
The article is more of a summary of the issues, you'd have to dig into the citations to get more of the research data.
An evolutionary approach also requires that the propensity to rape would be heritable, do you know if that have been investigated? Do rapists even on average get more offsprings than non-rapists? Especially for humans.
Not necessarily, strategies need not be heritable to improve fitness. Nor does it need to result in more offspring. All that is needed is that it increases the statistical likelihood of genes surviving, which is explained by the manner in which rapists are able to copulate with more females by bypassing parental mate selection.
So now the argument goes from "It's a reproductive strategy that is highly successful" to possibly relevant.
It is a successful reproductive strategy that improves fitness. How successful isn't all that relevant, the only issue is whether we can draw a straight line from fitness to morality.
I really wish that evolutionary psychologists would focus on what is explained by evolutionary psychology instead of what can be explained by evolutionary psychology (which of course is almost everything, only limited by the ingenuity of the psychologist).
Considering that there is very little demonstrated regarding heritability of psychology in general, evolutionary psychologists wouldn't have much to talk about if they didn't engage in conjectural discussions and debate.
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Are professed Christians that worship our Lord on Sunday instead of Saturday sinning?

Aren't you supposed to rest and do nothing on a Saturday? The Sunday ritual in many interpretations is work.
I can if I want to, not because I’m commanded to.
Besides, we are free to live any day unto the Lord now, not just one out of seven.
Absolutely!!!!
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The Mandami effect

It's quite genius, actually. There is no infighting. All force is directed towards the opposition. Modern conservatives are willing to accept the good with the bad, while the left is routinely tearing itself apart because of minor disagreements and can't find it's direction because it believes that the direction actually matters.
I'd be more inclined to think "accept the bad with the even worse"
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Am I Weird, Or Is He Weird?

I know this guy. We're not really friends, but we're very friendly with each other. We see each other fairly often in social settings, but in about 10 years there's only been 5 or 6 times when we were alone together.

Five or six years ago, in conversation I happened to mention to him that I enjoy watching the Little League World Series. I told him that I like youth sports better than professional or college, because there's no money involved, and I feel like kids are playing a game for fun as you should. He then mentioned that his young son had started playing (American) football. I said something to the effect of "I'd love to see that" or "can I watch him play sometime?" I don't recall what was said next, but nothing came of it for over five years.

Fast forward to last week. We were talking about whatever, and I asked him if his son was still playing. The son is in the 8 to 12 age range, I estimate. He said yes, he's got a game coming up. I asked "Could I come watch?", and he gave me what I felt was a very strange and insulting response.

He just said no. I asked why not. He said "you're not family" and then added "but you can hang around us here" (here meaning where we often socialize with others usually including his wife and kids).

I should also mention that years ago, I was riding in his car when we needed to go to his house to pick some things up. He parked on a crossroad near his street, and had his petite wife walk down the sidewalk carrying the items. I thought that was strange. Did he not want me to know which house he lives in?

Am I being weird or is he? I have zero interest in "hanging around" his family, and have never said or done anything to indicate that I do, other than asking about watching his son play ball. I've spoken very briefly with his wife a couple of times, but I've never said a single word to any of his children, not even a "hi". I don't even remember his two girls' names.

Was it weird of me to ask to go watch his son play? Or is he weird for treating an innocuous request as if I'm a pedophile or stalker or something?

I would just chalk it up to a mis-understanding and a set of mutual expectations that are not aligning with each other.

So, neither of you is being 'weird.' It's just that you're single and apparently unattached at the present time, and this guy and his wife just happen to be extra sensitive (and cautious) about who is watching their kids, and your relational context makes them not fully trust you. And you're expecting them to come through as 'gracious Christians.'

Y'know, I can understand both your position and theirs at the same time. It is tough being single and have married couples "wonder" about you. I went through at one time too before I was married. And I was like, "..........uh, no, I'm not that guy to worry about folks! Maybe, give me a break?...."
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George Santos claims to understand grace after prison release: 'No one is beyond redemption'

Former Rep. George Santos, R-N.Y., penned an op-ed this week explaining that his recent prison sentence humbled him and helped him to understand the nature of grace.

"When I entered prison in July, I thought I knew what to expect. I thought humility would come gently. Instead, it came like a storm," Santos wrote in a Wednesday piece for The Spectator titled "George Santos's prison diary."

Santos, who became the sixth member of Congress and first Republican to be expelled from the U.S. House of Representatives by a vote of 311–114 in December 2023, was sentenced in April to 87 months — more than seven years — in federal prison after pleading guilty in August 2024 to committing wire fraud and aggravated identity theft.

On Oct. 17, President Donald Trump commuted Santos' sentence, characterizing it as excessive and noting Santos had been "horribly mistreated" by prison authorities, who subjected him to 41 days of solitary confinement because of an alleged death threat against him.

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Maybe you'd never guess...

but many of us probably would have...
https://www.nytimes.com/2025/10/09/us/politics/argentina-bailout-investors.html


That the reason billions were chucked at Argentina was to help american billionaire investments in Argentina far right government keep from going cheeks up.

Trump administration: protecting American Billionaires again!

Hey! Maybe American conservatives will look through Argentina's shopping cart and suddenly care where there tax dollars go!

The 2025 Government Shutdown Thread

It does in this case. Republicans are holding firm on ending health care subsidies for people who need them and refusing to negotiate on it.


Then tell me how Republicans are working for "the poor" by refusing to even consider extending health care subsidies while their bill cuts taxes largely benefitting those billionaires you mentioned.
The Democrats are refusing to sign the CR to reopen the government, even if that means SNAP is cut off and 1.5 million government employees go without pay.

The Republicans never said they refuse health care. They are however refusing to give into blackmail.
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‘Traditional family values’ Michigan lawmaker Bryan Posthumus appears in adult hookup sites

Gonna play devils advocate here, but.. this was more than 10 years ago, and years before he got into politics. Perhaps he turned over a new leaf?
I agree that that is worth considering.
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Testing AI in Reading & Comprehension

How Good Is AI at reading and understanding narratives?

How well can AI read and comprehend stories and novels? Not many people have tested this.

It's time to find out the answer.

Ask an AI software to rate a story on a scale from 0 to 10. It gave a score—let's call it X.

Now it's your turn. Read the same story and give it a rating. Then compare your score with the AI's.

How close is the AI score X to YOURS?
AI is going to rate a story based on reviews it finds on the internet.
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Young earth vs Old earth?

I think you might be confusing "created" with "transforming". The Word of God transforms people’s lives: Revelation 21:5: “Behold, I am making all things new”.
Ah no I'm not confusing anything. Genesis 1 tells us that God created man. But we know that man was made of dust. When God created the blacksmith, or Jacob, The Bible doesn't say that God transformed them, it explicitly states that God created them as I cited in passages above.

But now, this is what the LORD says— he who created you, Jacob, he who formed you, Israel: “Do not fear, for I have redeemed you; I have summoned you by name; you are mine. Isaiah 43:1

See, it is I who created the blacksmith who fans the coals into flame and forges a weapon fit for its work. And it is I who have created the destroyer to wreak havoc. Isaiah 54:16

God doesn't merely transform Jacob or Israel or the blacksmith etc. God explicitly creates them.

In fact, it's the same Hebrew word as used in Genesis 1. "Bara".

And to create does not explicitly mean "ex nihilo".

I created a sandwich. But that doesn't mean that I therefore made a sandwich appear out of thin air. I can create a recipe. I can create a football team. I can create a work of art. I can create a piece of furniture etc.

And God can create things this way too.

This is a simple and commonly overlooked misconception about Genesis that has plagued the church for a long time.
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Continuous stone tools use and manufacture in one location 2.75 million years ago.

It's been known that hominids were making tools millions of years ago.

This isn't news. That's been known for a very long time.
What about the finding of continuous use in the same location?

Is that not significant ,or is that something that was already known or assumed to be the case even if not directly ascertained till now. ?

I think the article I linked may have suggested that until now the use and manufacture may have been thought to be sporadic in nature rather than "industrial" and "centralised" as seems likely here.

You don't see this as especially significant?
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A challenge to a faith we've all come to know

I consider Galatians 5:16-18 to be the key passage dealing with not fulfilling the lusts of the flesh. It informs us that the flesh can not be reformed because it is in adversarial opposition to the Spirit. It tells us that we thwart its desires when we carry out the desires of the Spirit because their desires are in adversarial opposition to one another. And it tells us that walking in the Spirit is not another form of legalism because being led by a person is different than being led by the precepts of law.

16 I say then: Walk in the Spirit, and you shall not fulfill the lust of the flesh. 17 For the flesh lusts against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh; and these are contrary to one another, so that you do not do the things that you wish. 18 But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law. (Ga 5:16–18)​

Our sin nature and human spirit was cleansed by the blood of Jesus when we were born again, it is the flesh and it's habits that The Holy Spirit is dealing with. We are no longer dominated by sin in our lives because of the blood of Jesus.

The Holy Spirit is to constantly have victory over the flesh, so I would disagree about the flesh not being reformed. We are not living in a war where no side has victory.

How are we to move on to "perfection" (a word used by the writer of Hebrews) if the constant struggle of the flesh and The Holy Spirit is a stalemate?

I don't think I understand the question. What does it mean to be "plagued with sin" -- a problem that people are plagued with today that wasn't experienced by people in NT times?

It's just a question that I posed on here.

I find it funny that the website would codify a rule against victory over sin. If people's lives on here amount to nothing more than a constant struggle with sin year after year after year, then people on here don't have The Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit is not winning the war for them because He is not there in the battle.
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Causing offence

I came across this old Monty Python clip called 'The Arguement Clinic' and I reckon it sort of reflects the culture wars and arguing over everything. Its got to the point where arguing is an art lol. Arguing and causing offense for the sake of arguing and disagreeing and fighting lol.

Maybe the idea of Arguement Clinic clinics can help reduce peoples pent up need to argue and fight lol. Like a mental health clinic where you can take out all your frustrations and walk out refreshed lol.

Oh by the way it costs. So you have to be careful your time runs out and you have to pay more to keep going lol. Sorry I could not help but post it.

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Who then can be saved?

No, that's your interpretation of scripture. You read them through your denominational lens.

No, that's what God can do with us now. You can't do anything, unless God gives it to you.
How does this not contradict what you just said to me in this post?

I have never claimed that we cannot act against Gods will. Quoting a verse which confirms that Godswill will be done, on earth as it is in heaven, doesn't mean that God created people to be evil and wicked.

Man was created good, and God was pleased with him. But man rebelled against God and chose to serve Satan instead. God is not the Autor of evil, I have already mentioned that a few times to you but you're still having difficulty accepting the fact.

If God allows sinners to sin for a time, it doesn't mean He created them to sin. It just means that He is fattening them up for the day of slaughter, so His will be done when He shows His wrath and hatred of sinners, while they are tormented in hell fire for all eternity.
You just said that we can’t do anything unless God gives it to us to someone else then told me that we can act against His will. So when someone sins or reflects God are they acting according to His will or against it?
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Incarnation of the Word

Deep thing of all deep things

Almighty God willingly became part of His own creation

The infinite entered into the finite

The eternal one confined Himself in time and space

Right after the fall of men, seed of a woman promised

Through the prophets, words of God made manifest to us

But in the last days, God revealed Himself through His Son

Jesus, the Christ

The Word became flesh

Born of a virgin

Tabernacled with us

Full of grace

And full of truth

The Schumer Shutdown

Trump is not a US senator.
You don't want him to suddenly become a king, do you? That's the only way he could simply end the shutdown tomorrow. Ending the shutdown requires 5 Democrat votes, something that seems about as likely as pigs flying at this point.
Are you kidding? Republicans are so lock step alk he has to do is say the word.
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What would have happened to Adam and Eve and Cain after death?

The body is asleep but the soul is not.
Actually Davetaff has it right. All sleep through the first death. Davetaff should have given biblical support for his statement, which I wil provide.

Our State In Death

The state of death is misunderstood by most people. What I am about to share will be new to you, thus you will naturally reject it because it is different. However, truth is not based on what any faith organization may teach or the number of individuals who believe as you, but rather Gods word. In Genesis 2:7, we learn that man was formed from two elements, dust of the earth, and the breath of life from Jesus our creator, and man became a living soul/ person/being. Death is the the separation of these two elements. The body decays and returns to dust, and the breath of life/spirit returns to our God (see Ecclesiastes 12:7; James 2:26 and Job 27:3) Do souls die? Yes. (see Ezekiel 18:20, and Rev. 16:3) Do people go to heaven or hell at death? No. (see John 5:28,29; Acts 2:29,34; Job 17:13) How much does one comprehend at death? Nothing. (see Ecclesiastes 9:5,6,10; Psalms 115:17) Can the dead communicate wth the living? No. (see Job 14:12,21; Ecclesiastes 9:6)


Jesus called the first death "sleep" (see John 11: 11-14) Therefore based on these few texts we all sleep in the first death, with no knowledge of what is going on. Latter we will be raised either in the first resurrection of the saints or the second resurrection of the lost, and receive our eternal rewards. A proper understanding of death magnifies the love of God.
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How do I stop doubting? (in prayer, or regarding the Gospel)

I’d say go down the rabbit hole of looking for proof outside of the “normal” Christian methods (Bible , prayer, church, etc.).
I spent a long time reading/ listening to to highly educated Christians lay out their best cases in their respective fields.

Hugh Ross/ Steven Meyer: Creation and fine tuning of the universe.
Gary Habermas: Resurrection expert that has convinced a LOT of highly educated atheists.
Wes Huf: History of the New Testament (with a lot of knowledge on other ancient history).

This stuff got me to the point of being able to believe the Bible, without it I would still be without Christ.
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21 Volcanoes Awakening: Alaska to California Chain Reaction Explained

I only stumbled across this by accident. This sounds pretty ominious. It seems some ancient volcanoes are awakening. Not just one but a chain of them from Alaska to California. Some of them ancient monsters that have been dormant for almost a million years.

Some engulfed in ice and potentially could cause massive flooding and mud slides. Many earthquakes and tremors are occurring and there could also be massive earthquakes.

Nevermind global warming this is happening now and soon and will poison the atmosphere more than any human made pollution in one week if it goes off. Let alone the potential devastation from all the natural disasters that come as a result.

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anyone know anything about Gematria?

If you divide each number in the Fibonacci sequence by the previous number, you get a value that approaches Ф more closely the higher the numerical values in the Fibonacci sequence are.

If you divide the two Fibonacci numbers f2220/f2219, the result matches Ф to 926 decimal places


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f2019 =
39496686472772163397874981928532586937785000709985018165227544505583956123892491583992043369010510473
85247487182391994962865614469262648818010570797721294722578492755512584782206543582603736371692471456
55532984789099567982455987591686523392448384886703286324769254401913936917419203129353462418000348

f2020 =
63906981155943558665134927398528713938196200043745871355763079787265151995322001898071485437809065533
30626730359600717487382502427309564797464987891361609676660424806600864939566234376426028653405900329
06541161269573624067458665079353663697128421389300140388885722273984907422877223586713672357091891665
48965693916054419169307250217586108972590100204080980670597873094617540854443783530320723473081393553
497241453257464515

From the 926th digit of this result, the following three digits are 888!

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f888 =
17042744758500729686359484158429089109203378912667344414446366147213244111051532910176783885547703752
8819542860407946827372937133572246650870983571624734000338513658722542956142033546656

f887 =
105329955223425693626361637911416227912198933629226946103020279889117725154960205237795007418050283828
402747261891594496

f888/f887 yields a match of 370 with Ф! Numbers


370 is the gematria of Shalem

Melchizedek was king of Salem!

The expression

King of Salem
מלך שלם


has a gematria of 460

melech Shalem (King of Salem)
מלך שלם
13. מ Mem 40
12. ל Lamed 30
11. כ כּ Kaf/Khaf 20
Σ 90
21. שׂ שׁ Shin/Sin 300
12. ל Lamed 30
13. מ Mem 40
Σ 370
370
+90 = 460!

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Starting with the first decimal place of Ф, the numbers 460 follow at position 370.

The number 370 appears for the first time in π at position 555

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The word Christ appears exactly 555 times in the King James Bible

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