loveofourlord said:

they didn't have a warrant or badges.

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"According to court documents, the charges stem from events occurring on April 18, when members of the Milwaukee office of U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement, Enforcement and Removal Operations (ICE ERO), along with federal partners from the FBI, DEA, and U.S. Customs and Border Protection, attempted to execute a lawful arrest warrant for Eduardo Flores-Ruiz, a Mexican national previously removed from the United States and recently charged in Milwaukee County with multiple counts of domestic abuse-related battery.
According to court documents, federal agents arrived at the Milwaukee County Courthouse intending to arrest Flores-Ruiz in a public hallway following his court appearance before Judge Dugan. Upon learning of the agents’ presence in the hallway, Judge Dugan allegedly confronted and ordered federal agents to leave the courthouse. After being made aware of a valid immigration arrest warrant, Judge Dugan told agents that they needed a judicial warrant and demanded that they go to the Chief Judge’s office. Once the agents were no longer in the vicinity of her courtroom, Judge Dugan allegedly elected not to conduct a hearing on Flores-Ruiz’s criminal case, despite the fact that victims of his offense were present, and instead personally escorted Flores-Ruiz and his attorney through a restricted “jury door” exit not typically used by defendants or attorneys.

My highlighting. As to badges, whether or not to display your badges depends on the situation. If a subject might flee you don't want to display a badge. If you have a residence surrounded and are announcing yourself then you want to wear identification.

The article in the OP left out this important bit of information:

A federal judge in Louisiana said the deportation of the child to Honduras with her mother, even though her father had filed an emergency petition, appeared to be “illegal and unconstitutional.”

In a petition filed by the child’s custodian, Trish Mack, on Thursday, her father claimed that when he spoke briefly with Ms. Lopez Villela, he could hear her and the children crying. The father reminded her, the petition said, that “their daughter was a U.S. citizen and could not be deported.”

The father, who was not identified by name in the petition, tried to give Ms. Lopez Villela the phone number for a lawyer, but he claims that officials cut short the call.

The detention of V.M.L. “is without any basis in law and violates her fundamental due process rights,” the petition said. “She seeks this court’s urgent action and asks the court to order her immediate release to her custodian Trish Mack, who is ready and waiting to take her home.”

zoidar said:

Eveyone, also the elect are under wrath until they come to faith.

Among them we too all formerly lived in the lusts of our flesh, indulging the desires of the flesh and of the mind, and were by nature children of wrath, even as the rest.
— Ephesians 2:3

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False the elect are not under wrath ever, they are reconciled to God while being enemies Rom 5

10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.

And it says nothing about them being under wrath in that scripture maybe you need to study

Thanks for posting!

May he rest in peace she rise to glory!

Hail Mary,
Full of Grace,
The Lord is with thee.
Blessed art thou among women,
and blessed is the fruit
of thy womb, Jesus.
Holy Mary,
Mother of God,
pray for us sinners now,
and at the hour of our death.
Amen

Welcome to the forums! It's a great place to be as a Christian.

FaithT said:

None, except on tv or online. But nobody I personally know.

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They aren’t marriages, though. It’s only the blessing of the couple. Fr. James Martin, SJ immediately comes to mind.

Hoping2 said:

From Jesus' perspective, (as per the context of my answer), He was preaching about a coming kingdom.
It is here now, in our hearts.
That is what we now preach.

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Are you saying that the good news about the kingdom, was about the kingdom coming?
Can you show me where that is, in scripture, please.

Also, the Jesus refers to the Kingdom of the heavens. Not the kingdom of the heart.
While there is nothing wrong with holding the kingdom dear to us - "in our heart", the kingdom is not in anyone's heart. It is in heaven - a heavenly kingdom, or government. Psalm 2:6; Luke 22:28-30; John 18:36; Hebrews 12:22

Hoping2 said:

You seemed to combine 'preached to all the world' and 'the end will come' as one event.
I don't.
Some time may elapse between the two events.

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Are you asking me, what I am saying, or are you telling me?
Did I say that? Can you show me where I did, please?

I referred to Noah's day, and when God told Noah to enter the ark, and he shut the door, so if you are following, it should have been clear that I am not even thinking what you are saying.
Where in the Bible does it say some time will elapse though.

Hoping2 said:

The end will indeed follow the completion of the preaching to the world, but does that mean the very same day the last person hears of it ?
I don't think so.

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Who is saying that, and why are you bringing it up?
What does it matter?

Hoping2 said:

No, the "interesting concept", was your juxtaposition of the world already having been testified to, against not having yet been testified to.

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I'm only using the scriptures.
You said you don't think the end has come, which is obvious, so why would you not agree that the good news is still being preached, since Jesus said that as his followers preached, he would be with them until the end of the world?

Hoping2 said:

I am aware of it, but I don't label those evil ministers as "Christians".
I call them "posers".

It depends on if the "church" being left was of God or not.
I left a false one to join the real one.

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Hoping2 said:

Not at all.
However, some are telling the truth, but contorting it to fit a personal agenda.

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Well, that's why I asked if you disagreed with the report I posted from data provided in the media.

Hoping2 said:

The answer to both questions is...one who obeys God in all things.

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That's not much, is it.

Hoping2 said:

The good news is that Jesus died for our sins.
The follow up, however, is that we can now be free of the flesh and of sin.
That is what the apostles preached in Jesus' name.
So too would Jesus.

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Thank you for sharing that.
So, either you don't believe Jesus preached the good news of the kingdom, or the good news of the kingdom is a different message to what you believe it is.

The scriptures show the latter is a fact.
Jesus did not preach that Christ died for our sins, but indeed he preached the good news of the kingdom, from the start of his ministry Matthew 4:23, until the time for his ascension. Acts 1:3

Luke 8:1
Soon afterward, Jesus traveled from one town and village to another, preaching and proclaiming the good news of the kingdom of God. The Twelve were with Him,

The messages the apostles preached were not the same, although they were related in some way.
Acts 8:12
But when they believed Philip as he preached the gospel of the kingdom of God and the name of Jesus Christ, they were baptized, both men and women.
See Acts 28:31

The kingdom is something to enter into John 3:5. Not the other way around.

Hoping2 said:

No, that is a false doctrine.
Though true in a sense, that being that the true believers will be saved on the day of judgement; the follow up to their preaching is anything but of God.

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Hoping2 said:

Not really.
God can use anyone He wants for anything He wants.
More often than not, though, news casters/media are not being used by God.

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More often than not, nobody but his followers are being used by God.
That's little more than 1%

Hoping2 said:

As we have no way of knowing when they speak truth, it is superfluous to think that any of it is true.

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That's not an accurate statement.
We can verify reliable sources, by researching multiple sources, and also checking reliability.
There are ways to know the truth.
Don't you research things for yourself. Would you say you do not know the truth, when you do so?

Hoping2 said:

If you want to look at every worldly event as an omen, feel free.

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I don't want to do that, and I know you are aware of that.
You know that people make stawmen for a living, right.
They don't need us to do that, you know.


It does look easy to do.
Forums don't need them though.

Hoping2 said:

I know that until we see Jesus coming in the clouds, with His angels, that life will continue on.

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For some people, it will.
Millions die every year.
However, it is true, we await the end, where life will go on for a considerable number. So, vast, you can't number them. Revelation 7:9-17

Hoping2 said:

Keep watch.
Things will keep getting worse, before the end of time.

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Ah good!
So you do agree with me.

Hoping2 said:

I did get the feeling you were just arguing with me, for the sake of argument.
Thanks for keeping my company.

Biblically speaking, what is the “confession of our hope”? It is not just a verbal profession of faith in Jesus. For what does it teach us in 1 John 1-3?


So, faith in Jesus Christ is not lip service only. By God-persuaded and God-gifted and God-honoring faith in Jesus Christ we must die with Christ to sin and walk with him in surrender to his will and purpose for our lives, in walks of obedience to his commands, by the Spirit, in the power of God, in practice. For if sin is what we practice, and not walks of obedience to our Lord, we do not have salvation from sin nor eternal life with God in heaven.

[Matt 7:13-14,21-23; Lu 9:23-26; Jn 10:27-30; Ac 26:18; Rom 2:6-8; Rom 6:1-23; Rom 8:1-14; Rom 12:1-2; 1 Co 6:9-10,19-20; 1 Co 10:1-22; 2 Co 5:10,15,21; Gal 5:16-24; Gal 6:7-8; Eph 2:8-10; Eph 4:17-32; Eph 5:3-6; Col 1:21-23; Col 3:1-17; Tit 2:11-14; Heb 3:1-19; Heb 4:1-13; Heb 10:23-31; Heb 12:1-2; 1 Pet 2:24; 1 Jn 1:5-10; 1 Jn 2:3-6,15-17; 1 Jn 3:4-10]

Then, as those who, by faith in Jesus, have died with him to sin, who are daily putting sin to death in our lives, by the Spirit, and who are walking in obedience to his commands, in practice, in the power of God, we are to be encouraging one another in our walks of faith in obedience to our Lord in doing the will of God he has for our lives. This is the purpose of our gatherings, as the body of Christ, which includes exhortations against being hardened by the deceitfulness of sin and against falling for the devil’s traps.

For, as the body of Christ, when we gather together on any days of the week, at any time of day or night, in any appropriate location, we are all to have a part. The Spirit has gifted us all with spiritual gifts which we are to be using to minister to the rest of the body of Christ. And God has assigned each one of us specific roles (body parts, ministries) within the body of Christ which we are to be walking in, by the Spirit, for the encouragement and betterment of the body of Christ in our spiritual walks of faith in Christ.

And we are to be speaking the truth, in love, one to the other, and we are to be exposing and refuting the lies of the enemy which are coming against the truth. We are to be warning against the cunning and craftiness of some people in their deceitful schemes, so that none of us falls prey to falling for false gospels, not of God. We are to be stirring up one another to love and good works, and addressing one another in psalms, hymns, and spiritual songs, and teaching and admonishing one another in the wisdom of God.

We should not gather together just to listen to a praise band play and sing and to listen to one or more preachers preach a sermon, which may or may not be of God under the leading of the Holy Spirit. For all of us are to be ministers of Christ and of his gospel, and as the body of Christ we all have a part in ministering to the body of Christ. And we will grow together to maturity in our walks of faith in Christ when each part does its work. We all have something to contribute, if we are walking in obedience to our Lord.

Nonetheless, within the gatherings of the church there must be men of God who fulfill the biblical requirements of overseer (elder, deacon, pastor) who are spiritually preparing the people for the work of the ministry, and who are providing opportunities for them, within the gatherings, to use their spiritual gifts in their assigned (by God) body parts. Women are not to be in authority over men, though, unless there are not any biblically qualified men to fill the position. But God’s sons and daughters will prophesy (preach, proclaim the word of the Lord), so we should let the qualified minister in their gifts.

[Matt 5:13-16; Matt 28:18-20; Lu 6:27-28; Jn 4:31-38; Jn 13:13-17; Jn 14:12; Ac 1:8; Ac 2:14-18; Ac 26:18; Rom 10:14-15; Rom 12:1-8; Rom 15:14; 1 Co 12:1-31; 1 Co 14:1-5; Gal 6:1; Eph 2:8-10; Eph 4:1-16; Eph 5:11-27; Eph 6:10-20; Php 2:1-8; Col 1:9; Col 3:12-16; Tit 2:11-14; Heb 3:13; Heb 10:23-25; Jas 5:19-20; 1 Pet 2:9,21; 1 Jn 2:6; Jude 1:22-23]

Ministers of Our God

An Original Work / June 21, 2011
Christ’s Free Servant, Sue J Love

Ministers of our God,
harken to hear Him speak.
Have you given Him
your hearts and souls today?
Hasten to give all to Him.
Let Him cleanse your hearts from sin.
Cast yourselves on His altar.
In your lives do not falter.
Ministers of our God,
harken to hear Him speak.
Have you given Him
your hearts and souls today?

Ministers of our God,
flee from all your idols.
Remove them from your lives.
Be transformed today.
Listen to the words I say.
Give your all to Christ today.
Let him rule within your hearts,
cleanse from sin, His grace impart.
Ministers of our God,
flee from all your idols.
Remove them from your lives.
Be transformed today.

Ministers of our God,
won’t you come to His cross?
Die to sin and yourselves.
Penitently pray.
Humbly accept Him today.
Let Him wash your sins away.
Receive Him into your hearts.
His mercy and grace impart.
Ministers of our God,
won’t you come to His cross?
Die to sin and yourselves.
Penitently pray.

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To Love and Good Deeds
An Original Work / April 26, 2025
Christ’s Free Servant, Sue J Love

I would have considered myself egalitarian a few years ago when I first started learning about these issues, however, my views have shifted to being what I believe is complementarian. I believe that both men and women are equal in value. Men are not superior to women, nor are women superior to men, they both need each other.
We are different, our biology confirms that. Women are naturals at certain things that men would struggle to do and vice versa. Women give birth, men do not. Men are typically physically stronger and build muscle more easily than women do. The way we see things, act, think, etc are different from each other. Instead of seeing this as a competition or that I am somehow less than a man, I view it more like we were created to need one another. My strengths may be a man's weaknesses, but I may be weak where he is strong.

I'm no expert theologian, this is just my humble opinion.

GoldenBoy89 said:

It just seems to me there’s some bigger stories to discuss in American politics than some democrats using naughty language the president uses quite regularly.

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and yet.... here you are instead of focusing on those bigger stories.

Hans Blaster said:

I understand that you "live" in the ancient world before we learned the shape of the Earth, but I don't know of any pagan nations.

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Well if Israel and The Law is going to be discussed, it is sure not modern Israel.

“When the Lord your God cuts off from before you the nations which you go to dispossess, and you displace them and dwell in their land, take heed to yourself that you are not ensnared to follow them, after they are destroyed from before you, and that you do not inquire after their gods, saying, ‘How did these nations serve their gods? I also will do likewise.’ You shall not worship the Lord your God in that way; for every abomination to the Lord which He hates they have done to their gods; for they burn even their sons and daughters in the fire to their gods.

Ophiolite said:

No. I don't say that. Your posts are riddled with inaccuracies.

1. Trillions have not been spent to flee the Earth.

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That depends on whether we consider all the money spent on going to space as part of that or not. Since Nasa is jumping on board with the Chicken Little vision (NASA backs Hawking's prediction of earth's end, urges urgent climate action) I think it is fair to assume the inspirational spirit has always been the same one behind all this. If you prefer to absolutely isolate and minimize the expenditures on fleeing to the moon or Mars etc, well, we would not yet use the trillions term.

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1. I have not commented on the primary topic of this thread, but on "issues arising".

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I see. Maybe it is time to start?

Ophiolite said:

1. A great deal of good comes from the application of advanced technology. If you really want me to write a 1,000 word essay outlining the benefits, with appropriate references, then fine. Let me know, but I expect you to treat it seriously. At present, by your own declarations, you are profoundly ignorant of these benefits. (Please understand my use of the word ignorant; we are all ignorant of most things.)

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Looking at a few items from Nasa's site about that I noticed this

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Culture and Inspiration. Space exploration offers a unique and evolving perspective on
humanity's place in the Universe - "

Ha! Our place in the universe is God's pets! The planet that matters when all the rest of the universe fades away, and to which God Himself is moving! It is no benefit to have Nasa's opinion on the matter whatsoever, on the contrary!

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preparedness for
protecting the Earth from catastrophic events such as some asteroid strikes"
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Space exploration
also results in various intangible impacts due to the social and philosophical dimensions
that address the nature and meaning of human life"

-same site

I contend that almost any advances could be made without the going to space part.

Ophiolite said:

1. You have made many assertions. None of these are backed by other than faith based beliefs.

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Empty vague accusatory words

Ophiolite said:

1. That is unconvincing for me. You are correct that we do not live in a perfect world, but you are rather to free with the spray can that paints a graffiti like "bad" on many of humanity's actions.

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And I am correct in doing what is obvious.

Ophiolite said:

That is seriously uninformed. The quality of weather forecasting was surpsingly good in the 1960s. Today it is excellent. Perhaps if you took a course on the weather you would be better able to appreciate the subtleties of the forecasts and know where error bars are likely to be larger.
And the cost of weatehr satellites and other weather paraphanalia is not in the trillions, but billions. And you are completely ignoring the benefits delivered by it - largely, it seems, because you are wholly unaware of them. Do some reading up on these matters and I shall listen to your opinions more attentively.

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Weigh the military aspects of space (an intricate part of any modern war) with the increased weather tracking abilities. What weighs more? As pointed out, you cannot cherry pick the bits of 'good' in something without looking at the big picture.

(I remember when!)

That's not virtue signaling at all. Virtue signaling is jumping on the bandwagon for whatever crisis is currently popular and pretending to actually care. For example, someone changes their facebook profile picture with a country's flag for a war that's going on. But do they pray? Are they actively pursuing truth and helping those in need? No. But the picture makes it look like they care.

If your husband is truly living for God, and it sounds like he is, then having a cross emoji beside his email signature is definitely NOT virtue signaling.

What a tough situation. I'm sorry your family is going through this.

BNR32FAN said:

Yeah but your threads always revolve around immigrants, not just criminals in general. Why post specifically about immigrant criminals instead of all criminals?

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I post on all kinds of timely subjects, illegal immigrants are in the national spotlight. The establishment (including the major media) actively makes an effort to downplay the illegal violent crime, referring to a "dad" rather than a human trafficker or wife beater. The Democrats often would not track crimes by illegals, thus they can take the reported crime by illegals (a fraction of what occurs) and claim illegals commit less crimes than the rest of the population. Their base seems to be easily misled. But enough finally realized at least some of the truth and thus Trump was elected.

Say it aint so said:

Recall Rudy Giuliani


The power of the presidential pardon should be either all together removed, or adhered solely by the requirements of the Pardon Office.
Because it is just being wrongly abused no matter which president.

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I agree.

Executive orders should have checks and balances too. Congress should find a way to limit the power of executive orders. Since President Obama, presidents have used executive orders as a method to bypass Congress and gain political points.

Ophiolite said:

My take on it is that science only contradicts tightly literal interpretations of the Bible. If one accepts that, like almost every culture with writing (and probably every culture, period), the language of those who wrote the Bible was rich in metaphor and allusion and parable, interwoven stories and tales to create a cohesive people; in that case I think there is no significant conflict. Did you have an example or two in mind?

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Matthew 14:25 And in the fourth watch of the night Jesus went unto them, walking on the sea.

Michie said:

With shocking speed and a blunt-force style, the government spending reform work of the Department of Government Efficiency (DOGE), led by tech entrepreneur and world’s richest man Elon Musk, has been a sight to behold. Musk has undergone a swift cultural and political transformation from the Tesla CEO darling of the Left to a MAGA hat-wearing icon of the Right.

But as Republicans have quickly embraced Musk’s tech-savvy, no-fear approach to combatting government waste, an uncomfortable truth for social conservatives has emerged. Musk, who is currently unmarried, has fathered at least 14 children by four different women, some through in vitro fertilization, with the “true number [likely] much higher than publicly known.”

What’s more, according to an in-depth report from The Wall Street Journal published last week, Musk appears to be consumed by the idea that in order to counteract the world’s decreasing birthrates, humans must increase in population so that they can inhabit other planets in order to “ensur[e] the long-term survival of humanity and all life as we know it.” Musk has therefore taken it upon himself to father as many children as possible with high intelligence, even arguing that babies should be born via caesarean section to allow for larger brains.

Before discussing how alarming this situation is, conservatives can at least appreciate that on the surface, the pro-natalist views of Musk are gaining considerable cultural attention and consideration, and are pointedly opposite of the progressive, mainstream media-pushed culture of death approach that favors abortion and childlessness. Musk has even made it a point to make numerous public appearances with his young children in tow, and has at times spoken movingly about being a parent, remarking that “nothing will make you happier than having kids.”

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The Fundamental Injustice of Elon Musk’s Model of Fatherhood

With shocking speed and a blunt-force style, the government spending reform work of the Department of Government Efficiency (DOGE), led by tech entrepreneur and

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Elon Musk has fathered fourteen children with four women, none of whom he married. It is relevant to consider what the New Testament might say about this situation. Notably, this behavior is receiving considerable cultural attention among conservatives. This suggests that some modern conservatives, who claim to follow the teachings of Jesus, may be diverging from Jesus’s teachings in favor of Elon Musk's worldview. This shift is indeed unfortunate.

CoreyD said:

You are the judge.
Do you (A) pardon your son, and give him his freedom, or do you (B) carry out the sentence, though painful?

God chose B.
What do you choose?

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Yeah but that is a not analogous creating a being that you know full well will do a million murders because you created him that way. It is the creator that is at fault.

I play Dungeons and Dragons as a DM. I have the powers of God in the game. I put obstacles and challenges for the party to overcome and become more than that they were.

I don't dictate they have to be helpless children with terminal diseases destined to short painful lives. That would be a terrible thing to do.

GoldenKingGaze said:

Lazarus heard the prophets preach, I would suppose. Lazarus as a type. But I doubt Lazarus was thinking about the Messiah and His sufferings. The prophets in part prepared Israel, particularly the literate for the Messiah's works.

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The parable of Lazarus has nothing at al to do with 1 Peter 3.

GoldenKingGaze said:

I interpret, "Made alive by the Spirit." as Jesus being resurrected by the Spirit.

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Me too, (in 1 Peter 3).

GoldenKingGaze said:

One scripture, John 2 has Jesus say He will raise Himself, another the Father raised Him and another the Spirit raised Him. As at His baptism with John, all three are involved.

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They are all one.

GoldenKingGaze said:

The various scriptures together explain there was a Paradise and a Hell, gloomy dungeons and people including Nephilim being there from the flood of Genesis 6.

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Isn't this a departure form the post I responded to ?

GoldenKingGaze said:

Another scripture, regarding graves, is "To be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord." 2 Corinthians 5:8. Together with the Rich man being absent from his body but in torment.

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A parable, not a history.

GoldenKingGaze said:

It must measure up with the OT, to be verified as true so a start is Jonah 2.
And NKJV 2 Peter 2:9, 9then the Lord knows how to deliver the godly out of temptations and to reserve the unjust under punishment for the day of judgment,

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Amen to that, thanks be to God.

GoldenKingGaze said:

And Ephesians 4:9 from NKJV:
9(Now this, “He ascended”—what does it mean but that He also [d]first descended into the lower parts of the earth? 10He who descended is also the One who ascended far above all the heavens, that He might fill all things.)

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Yep, Jesus came from heaven and went to the grave.

GoldenKingGaze said:

Lazarus heard the prophets preach, I would suppose. Lazarus as a type. But I doubt Lazarus was thinking about the Messiah and His sufferings. The prophets in part prepared Israel, particularly the literate for the Messiah's works.

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What are you referring to ?

GoldenKingGaze said:

I interpret, "Made alive by the Spirit." as Jesus being resurrected by the Spirit. One scripture, John 2 has Jesus say He will raise Himself, another the Father raised Him and another the Spirit raised Him. As at His baptism with John, all three are involved.

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Yep. But that is only part of the Spirit's doings.
He also used the prophets to preached of salvation to the men of the OT, well before Jesus came here.
Those men were the prisoners of 1 Peter 3.
Their prison, was their graves.

Freth said:

Tuur: I also have an Ashley's Book of Knots in my library which I break out every once in a great while to learn a knot. I was into bushcrafting and survival for many years.

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Off Topic Sidebar: Years ago, I had to tie a rope as a harness to a transformer and the best I could do was a square knot that I placed flat against the tank and hoped didn't capsize. That day figured I needed to learn more knots. Unfortunately, unless practiced often, I tend to forget them. After having to look up a Spier knot online, went back over a few.

doubtingmerle said:

Crime exists. I agree.

Law and order good. Crime bad. I agree.

The point of this thread was to discuss extreme anger and hate in the conservative movement, which I see as a different but very serious problem.

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I gave examples of some groups that were victims of violence that you seem to assume conservatives hate to begin with.

If i am a Christian, I understand lgbt etc. as sin yet I am also a sinner ( Romans 3:23) and I trust in our Savior for salvation from sin in general ( Ephesians 2:8-10). I don’t judge individuals ( Matthew 7:1-12), pray & hope for anyone’s salvation ( 1 Timothy 2:1-6, Matthew 9:36-38 etc.) & understand the fear of the Lord & keeping the commandments (Psalm 19:8-9,Psalm 19:1-14, Romans 1:17-32, Romans 13:8-10 etc.),