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Who did the Reformers identify as the antichrist?

Simple objective experiment. Ask these two questions of your Google AI

1. Did Protestant reformers use the historicist method of interpretation for the prophecies in the book of Daniel?
2. Using the historicist model, please interpret the 2300 day prophecy of Daniel 8

As for this thread title, ask Google AI this question

"Did rival popes refer to each other as antichrist before Martin Luther did?"
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The Saving results of the Death of Christ !

Because of what He does for man. God doesn't need man to exist at all, but obviously wants him to exist, and loves him intensely. Salvation is all about meeting man's needs, to the glory of God.
No because of what He did for God and His Glory
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Who then can be saved?

As it is you don't know the truth, at least not in its fullness, or else you'd recognize it in that post. You're locked into a handful of concepts developed by people strictly by reading a book, God's Word, centuries after the fact, divorced from its original historical context and recipients of its revelation, The concepts are plausible enough in some places, strained in others, often wooden and isolated interpretations in any case.

The alternative is that God is the author of sin.


"See, I set before you today life and prosperity, death and destruction. For I command you today to love the Lord your God, to walk in obedience to him, and to keep his commands, decrees and laws; then you will live and increase, and the Lord your God will bless you in the land you are entering to possess."

"This day I call the heavens and the earth as witnesses against you that I have set before you life and death, blessings and curses. Now choose life, so that you and your children may live and that you may love the Lord your God, listen to his voice, and hold fast to him."
Duet 30:15-16, 19-20

"Seek good, and not evil, that you may live" Amos 5:14

"Do not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good." Rom 12:21

"Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’ This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’ All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments.” Matt 22:37-40

There's a reason why we pray, "Thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven". And that reason is because of the fact that His will is not at all necessarily done on earth as it is in heaven. God allows evil here, for a time, for a season, for His purpose, after which the two: good and evil, will be eternally separated, no longer allowed to co-exist as His plans for His creation are fully consummated. All truth and beauty and goodness in this world come from God while evil is done by man, coming from those who oppose Him and His will. So tell the victims of abuse, of rape, of torture, of genocide, of the holocaust about how beautiful this world is. You may get a different opinion.

Geez! It was nothing but love-speech, calling man to God and the love He's shown us. But man preferred darkness. What else is new???? Are you saying the darkness is somehow preferable or superior to the light just because man rejected the light?
I’m still waiting for him to explain how free will is a “gnostic belief” after I already quoted Iranaeus refuting total depravity and unconditional election by explaining how God has given man the ability to choose either good or evil in Adversus Haereses. This is a clear example of just spewing out nonsense in complete ignorance for the sake of argument. I literally quoted a second century theologian refuting Gnosticism and two of Calvin’s doctrines and he didn’t pick up on why Iranaeus was refuting them. Absolutely incredible.
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Why Catholics Are Being Buried in Churches Again

Across the centuries, Church crypts — from Roman catacombs to American cathedrals — testify that death is not the end but the beginning of eternal life.

In the Cathedral of St. John the Evangelist in downtown Cleveland, a chapel adjoins the north transept. There’s a wrought-iron gate with Requiescant in Pace fashioned above the entrance. It’s the cathedral’s burial crypt, containing the tombs of the deceased bishops of Cleveland.

While a “crypt” implies a place under or below a structure, Cleveland’s cathedral burial chamber on the ground floor, named the Resurrection Chapel, reflects that definition as well as the tradition of burial crypts throughout the history of Christianity. It is significant that figures of both St. Peter and St. Paul are prominent on the Resurrection Chapel’s upper half of the north wall, as both martyrs of the early Church were buried in crypts: St. Peter below the altar in the basilica that bears his name, and St. Paul, buried under what is now the papal altar of the Basilica of St. Paul Outside the Walls.

“Every ordinary, that is, a bishop of a diocese, is a member of that diocese and has a right to be buried in the cathedral crypt,” Bishop Roger Gries, retired auxiliary bishop of Cleveland, explained to the Register.

A contemporary example of a burial crypt is below the apse of one of the most famous churches in the world, Barcelona’s Sagrada Familia, which began construction on the feast of St. Joseph, March 19, 1882, and is set to be completed in 2026. The visionary behind the mammoth basilica, Catalan architect Venerable Antoni Gaudí, is buried in the Sagrada Familia Crypt. The crypt, completed in 1889, is the oldest part of the basilica.

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Baltimore Officer Suspended After Trying to Run Over Citizen

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The Book of Enoch?

This is tied to how history is legitimately written. Chinese history is also canonized, and as a necessity or else historical information cannot convey legitimately. The Jews often quote from difference sources, including common stories, common theologies which are usually Pharisaic in nature, just as Jesus put, "the Pharisees are on Moses' seat" (the significance is that Canon needs an authority to legitimize it).

Quotes from common stories include how archangel Michael had a dispute with Satan on the corpse of Moses. When this was quoted, at best it means the source is partially reliable, or more strictly speaking only this part of the source book is legitimate. The quote itself doesn't automatically legitimize the whole book. Canonization on the other hand, authenticate the whole book as being legitimate and can be regarded as the Word of God. That lies a fundamental difference.

The OT canonization started (as authorized by God) with King Hezekiah. It's said that 17 out of the 24 books of the Jewish OT Canon are with the mark or seal of King Hezekiah. The more critical authentication is through Ezra (authorized by God). It seems that 22 out of the 24 canonical books are the effort more or less from Ezra. These 22 books were written in Hebrew. 2 more books were added later, more likely they are the book of Ezra (naturally so) and the book of Daniel (there's a reason for this as well, by God's will). These two books were written in Aramaic as a later add-in. They are legitimized by the Pharisees (more likely involving Pharisee elites inside the Great Sanhedrin) near Jesus' days. Even Josephus only reckoned the 22 book version of the Jewish Canon (Josephus is an elite Pharisee but not one in the inner circle of the Great Sanhedrin, Paul is a closer candidate to the Great Sanhedrin).

That said, Daniel was added (as by God's will) to the Canon, more likely because Daniel actually encountered Jesus, if you compare the description of Jesus' appearance in Revelation with that in Daniel. The Jews didn't reckon Daniel as a formal prophet, but Jesus authenticated Daniel by calling him a prophet directly.

In a nutshell, whenever an outside source is referenced, whether it's from a common story, a common Pharisaic theology or even from the Septuagint, it only means that part of the book is reliable, no less no more. In contrast, only a canonical book can be deemed as the Scripture or Word of God. Only the Scripture is not broken, as Jesus put.

Alas, no, the Church, which possess the fullness of the truth, has the authority to make decisions on what is canonical, which is why for example the Eastern Orthodox in the Byzantine RIte read The Wisdom of Solomon in the Divine Liturgy, Western Christians read Sirach (Ecclesiasticus) among other texts, and these texts are in our bibles. The Eastern Orthodox don’t even call them Deuterocanonical; rather one can gauge the relative importance of a scriptural text by how often it is read in the liturgy, at least with regards to the Old Testament (since only the Coptic Orthodox read the Apocalypse of St. John in the liturgy; but its validity for Eastern Orthodox purposes I think is attested to by the fact that at the same time on Holy Saturday that the Copts read it in a formal liturgical setting, many Athonite monks read it in an informal, extra-liturgical group to prepare their minds for the Paschal Divine Liturgy at midnight, which the Copts are also doing by reading it - Coptic and Ethiopian laity do a number of things only monastics do in other rites, despite also being one of the churches that retains vestiges of what in the Byzantine Rite is called the “Cathedral Typikon” which in our church completely disappeared due to a fusion of monastic and cathedral praxis, as monasteries replaced the cathedrals especially after the Fourth Crusade and Turkocratia as the main centers of religious authority and also served not just the brethren and pilgrims but Orthodox communities in the surrounding area).

In the case of the Ethiopian church, they made the decision to put 1 Enoch in their canon, but it doesn’t affect their doctrine, presumably because they’re reading it as Christological prophecy rather than as a source of historical information, where it could cause the sort of problems my friend @Jipsah has pointed out.
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‘Miraculous touches of God’s presence’ in the most atheist nation in Europe

The Czech Republic, known for its historical heritage, fairytale castles, and medieval architecture, is considered the most atheist country in Europe.

Evangelization in this land — which still bears the scars of a past marked by communism and division — is a constant challenge but not an impossible goal. Czech missionaries say they perceive “miraculous touches of God’s presence” in a society increasingly thirsting for love and truth.

Approximately 80% of the Czech Republic’s more than 10.5 million inhabitants claim to have no religious affiliation. Although about a third of the population say they believe in God — in many cases without being linked to a specific denomination — only 9.4% identify as Catholic.

Nearly a quarter of Czechs declare themselves atheist, according to the 2017 Pew Survey on European Values, making the country one of the most secularized on the continent. Comparing census results since 1991 reveals a clear decline in church membership and an increase in personal belief in God without institutional affiliation.

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‘Catholic American Bible’ gets green light from U.S. bishops

The United States Conference of Catholic Bishops (USCCB) approved a new translation of the Bible, which will be used for personal Bibles, the lectionary at Mass, and the text in the Liturgy of the Hours.

Bishop Steven Lopes, chair of the Committee on Divine Worship, announced the translation will be called the “Catholic American Bible.” The translation for personal Bibles and the Liturgy of the Hours will be available on Ash Wednesday in 2027.

The bishops have not announced when the revised lectionaries will be available.

The USCCB also approved a Spanish-language translation of the New Testament, the Biblia de la Iglesia en América, which will be available on Ash Wednesday in 2026.

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Vatican declares alleged apparitions of Jesus in France ‘not supernatural’

The Dicastery for the Doctrine of the Faith (DDF) has declared that the alleged apparitions of Jesus in Dozulé, France, do not have an authentic divine origin and are therefore “not supernatural.”

The prefect of the dicastery, Cardinal Victor Manuel Fernandez, confirmed the declaration based on the Norms for Discerning Alleged Supernatural Phenomena in a document released Nov. 12 and addressed to the bishop of Bayeux-Lisieux, Jacques Habert.

In 1972, Madeleine Aumont claimed that Jesus had appeared to her, asking the Church to build a giant “glorious cross” in Dozulé, next to a “shrine of reconciliation.” Furthermore, the alleged visionary claimed that Jesus had announced his “imminent” return.

In the document, the Vatican authority notes that the alleged apparitions in the Normandy town “have elicited spiritual interest” but also “not a few controversies and difficulties of a doctrinal and pastoral nature” that require clarification.

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Sister Mary Michael, last of Mother Angelica’s founding nuns, dies at 94

Sister Mary Michael of the Eucharistic Heart of Jesus, PCPA, died on Nov. 10 after roughly three-quarters of a century of religious life. She was 94.

Sister Mary Michael was the last of the original five nuns who, along with EWTN foundress Mother Angelica, began the Our Lady of the Angels Monastery in Irondale, Alabama. (The monastery is now located in Hanceville; EWTN, the parent company of CNA, remains in Irondale.)

Born Evelyn Shinosky on Feb. 25, 1931, to Joseph and Helen Shinosky, she entered Sancta Clara Monastery in Canton, Ohio, on Aug. 15, 1951, and received the habit and her new name the following May.

Sister Mary Michael made her first profession on May 1, 1954, and her solemn profession exactly six years later in 1960. Shortly after her solemn profession she joined Mother Angelica to journey to Alabama to help found the new monastery.

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Military Veteran, US Citizens Detained in ICE raid in Newark, NJ - Mayor alleges Fourth Amendment Violation

[Habba's office dropped charges against Baraka, but has pursued assault charges with Congresswoman McIver from that same incident.]

Members of Congress are legally permitted to enter ICE facilities without prior notice.

Trump DOJ acts to deweaponize the government

Trump DOJ admits to deleting politicized social media posts in controversial indictment​

President Donald Trump's Justice Department admitted to a federal judge on Tuesday that the agency's social media accounts have taken down several controversial posts that politicized the actions of a member of Congress they indicted, according to CBS News' Scott MacFarlane.

McIver's defense team has cited the posts as evidence of an unlawful prosecution.

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Syrian President Shaara conditions security deal on Israeli withdrawal from Golan Heights, claims Trump supports him

Syrian President Ahmad al-Sharaa laid out his positions on a number of topics, including the talks about a security arrangement with Israel, in an interview with The Washington Post following his historic visit to the White House on Monday.

Before the first-ever visit by a Syrian president, reports indicated that a new security arrangement might be announced. However, the discussions appear to be ongoing despite no official statement being made.

The interviewer asked al-Sharaa how he planned to “protect Syrian sovereignty,” given the “repeated attacks by the Israeli military” against his country.

After the collapse of the Assad regime, Israel destroyed most of Syria’s heavy military equipment and, several months later, targeted sites and forces affiliated with al-Sharaa’s new regime after they took part in attacks on the Druze community in southern Syria.

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Suicide bomber kills 12, injures dozens of civilians in Pakistani capital as tensions escalate

Tensions have escalated in Pakistan after a suicide bomber killed 12 people and injured dozens by blowing himself up in the capital, making it the first strike against civilians in the area in more than a decade.

The attack outside a lower court in Islamabad on Tuesday afternoon, which wounded at least 27 people on top of the dozen murdered, came when the area is typically crowded with visitors, the Associated Press notes.

There are conflicting reports on whether Jamaat-ul-Ahrar, a splinter terrorist group that broke away from the Pakistani Taliban, has claimed responsibility for the attack, as reporters claim to have gotten messages from the group's leader claiming responsibility. However, a commander within the group stated in WhatsApp messages that the group wasn't responsible.

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Multi's Thoughts and More

I've pretty much overcome my sleep-related anxiety now, but my sleep hasn't improved. Considering how nothing I've tried has helped at all and I never really recovered from the withdrawal I started having in late March, I'm starting to think that I need to try that medication again. I can't come up with any other explanation at this point, because I can't imagine I'd still be suffering from insomnia induced by a medication I haven't taken in almost three months. One dose didn't make any difference, but I know it could take time since I didn't take it for six months. I sure hope this works.
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When the Sacrament Bites Back: Has Communion Ever Frightened You?

Ok, in some church cultures people are told to make sure we have confessed all our sins before taking "Holy Communion" or having "the Lord's Supper". The main attention of preparation can be making sure we ourselves are all set and not in trouble with Jesus. In 1 Corinthians 11:17-34, our Apostle Paul gives things about how the Corinthian church had abused the Lord's Supper, and what they needed to do, instead >

1 Corinthians 11:17-19 > our Apostle Paul says they had divisions. And so, they were not doing the Lord's Supper right, if they were divided. Even so, ones could see who was **not** involved in the divisions . . . and realize those were the "approved" leaders.

1 Corinthians 11:20-21 > people would bring their own food and drink and take it - - right while a poor Christian was sitting there with nothing to eat and drink. So . . . the problem here was not if the well-to-do person had confessed one's sins, but the person was being inconsiderate of the poor Christian . . . the problem then being how they were relating personally with one another. They were being anti-love, then, not relating in love the way Jesus has loved us. And so, they were not having their supper/communion in true remembrance of Jesus because they were not loving the way Jesus has loved us.

His way of loving as His family is much of what is the remembrance of Jesus, is it not? So, instead, by focusing on only our own sins and focusing away from one another and loving, this can be a major problem of communion in case it has become an outward idol ceremony with copy-catting and with no real relating.

In 1 Corinthians 11:22 > "What! Do you not have houses to eat and drink in? Or do you despise the church of God and shame those who have nothing?" So, yes they were abusing those who had "nothing". Yes, Jesus had a lamb dinner with His disciples at the "Last Supper". It was communion, indeed, but with the Passover dinner which includes lamb, to my knowledge. So, there is nothing wrong with communion being a full dinner, but it needs to be full of the remembrance of Jesus, by being full of His love with His family way of caring and sharing with one another . . . not with each of us trying to make our minds concentrate on some imagination of Jesus on the cross while we even ignore each other!!

So, then, yes > when ones have a pot luck . . . and all are welcome, whether they have time or money to prepare food . . . this could be more like the Last Supper, with everyone loving and delighting in sharing as family with one another.

However, ones were despising and shaming the poor Christians. And what we do to the least of Jesus Christ's brethren, we do to Jesus Himself.

"Assuredly, I say to you, inasmuch as you did it to one of the least of these My brethren, you did it to Me." (in Matthew 25:40)

So, those people indeed were in a lot of trouble . . . much worse than just dying and getting sick and being weak.

1 Corinthians 11:23-25 > so, yes, Jesus says to share the bread and cup "in remembrance of" Jesus.

"For as often as you eat this bread and drink this cup, you proclaim the Lord's death till He comes." (1 Corinthians 11:26)

And what shows Jesus Christ's death? How He was loving while on the cross > this is much of all that is involved in Jesus dying for us, on the cross. And we are commanded >

"And walk in love, as Christ also has loved us and given Himself for us, an offering and a sacrifice to God for a sweet-smelling aroma." (Ephesians 5:2)

So, His death which we are to show has much to do with how Jesus was so loving, right while so suffering and dying for us, and how He was "a sweet-smelling aroma" to God . . . so sweetly pleasing our Father. And this is how we are to be: sweet and pleasant to our Father during whatever is going on.

So, their way of doing the so-called communion was anti-Christ, I would say. They were not personally relating and sharing as family, like Jesus did during the Last Supper.

1 Corinthians 11:27-28 > Paul says not to eat and drink "in an unworthy manner". I see, from the context of earlier scriptures, how the main issue was the divisions and how horribly they could be relating with ones less well-to-do. Therefore, my opinion is the unworthy manner was not only failure to confess some list of sins or some failure to devote oneself to the bread and drink. But they needed to be attentive to one another . . . not isolating themselves in trying to get grace only for their own selves, or brownie points for paying attention to the "symbolic meaning" of perhaps some cracker and grape juice.

1 Corinthians 11:29 > Paul says they were not "discerning the Lord's body". Now, ones take this to mean the bread is the body of Jesus. But, then, why does Paul not say not discerning the body "and blood" of Jesus . . . if the drink is really Christ's blood?? What I see, from what Paul says earlier, is he means they were not discerning how those poor Christians are the body of Christ. Jesus is so more concerned with if and how we honor and regard the children of God who are the body of Jesus >

"For we are members of His body, of His flesh and of His bones." (Ephesians 5:30)

1 Corinthians 11:30 > here we have the verse that you are talking about . . . how many were sick and weak and dying. They had been relating badly with needy Christians. And "Therefore" many of them were sick and weak and dying. And so, Paul then concludes with what they need to do >

1 Corinthians 11:31-32 > judge themselves, be chastened by the Lord. Hebrews 12:4-14 talks about how we need to actively seek our Heavenly Father for His real correction which changes our ***character*** so we are sharing with Him in His own holiness in His love's "peaceable fruit of righteousness".

1 Corinthians 11:33 > and Paul says "Therefore" > "wait for one another" < this means how they are relating with each other.

But because they were relating in such an impersonal and even anti-love way, ones were dying and weak and sick. When we live in what is not love, this can affect us emotionally and even physically . . . even if God does not somehow punish us. And if we do relate in God's love with one another during the Lord's Supper, this love is full of God's own grace to grow and mature us to be and to love like Jesus. So, yes there is grace in the true Lord's Supper, grace being the effect of God's own love being ministered by "each" of us to one another >

"As each one has received the gift, minister it to one another, as good stewards of the manifold grace of God." (1 Peter 4:10)

But it seems to me, how ones can isolate themselves in how they do the Lord's Supper. Ones do not function as ongoing and life-giving and love-ministering children of God. And so they hide with a little bit of bread and drink. But instead we can always stay prayerful, submissive to God so we are constantly spreading His own grace.
Totally understand all you’ve shared—learnt the importance of study years ago.

My reason for the thread: I’d love to hear your own (if you have) one-sentence moment when the bread and wine stopped feeling ordinary and you thought, “This is heavier than I realised.”
(I know it’s deeply personal and you may not wish to share; yet the Lord’s Supper is deep, honest, reflective—not a rush-through ritual.)

Share the snapshot if you’ve got it.
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China Bought $12.6 Billion in U.S. Soybeans Last Year. Now, It’s $0.

Analysis-China's soybean glut could defeat US export hopes after trade thaw

China is grappling with a glut of soybeans after months of record imports, curbing prospects for U.S. exports despite a recent trade truce that Washington said includes a pledge by Beijing to resume heavy purchases.

China has not publicly committed to making purchases, although it suspended retaliatory tariffs on U.S. imports, while state buyer COFCO has booked only a few cargoes for December and January shipment, traders and analysts say.

China's grain and oilseed stocks are a state secret, but at least two traders estimated soybean inventories held by state companies at about 40 million to 45 million tons.

That would be double China's U.S. imports last year and sufficient for five months of typical early-year demand.


Sorry Donald, the soybean bins are full. We can't buy any more. How awkward that we bought more than we needed for the past several months.

Private importers have continued to book Brazilian cargoes for December shipment. Brazilian soybeans for January ‍shipment were quoted at around $480 a ton,⁠ including cost and freight to China, compared with $540 to $550 a ton for U.S. cargoes.
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Trump’s Name Chanted in Israel AND Gaza After Peace Deal: ‘Nobel Prize to Trump!’

That's true, but it's still progress.
'My child was killed in the last attack!'
'Yes, but you lost your wife and two children 2 months ago. See? We're making progress (sheesh, people are so ungrateful...).
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Ethics of Proselytization

@ViaCrucis Some of the men from my church and I used to get together once a week in my priest's neighborhood to play basketball. Not everyone always shows up consistently. Sometimes we're short on players. Local neighborhood guys would sometimes join us. (We're closed communion, but not closed basketball. :))

I was going to ask a person in my neighborhood, who I'm pretty sure is not a churchgoer, if he'd ever want to come play with us. But then I thought, when he finds out it's mostly guys from my church, is he going to suspect I'm trying to evangelize him? Would he take that negatively? I thought about it a couple of weeks before I finally asked him. Turns out he's not into basketball and wasn't interested. Just thought I'd share that. I don't want to do anything that would be off-putting to a friend or acquaintance.
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