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John Piper warns against 'Christian' mysticism, seeking 'out-of-body connection' with supernatural powers

Yes, because if you had a genuine mystical encounter with God, it might lead you to reject the kind of flat, doctrinaire religion that John Piper preaches with so much certainty.

The blind leading the blind.
I agree with you, but that genuinely made me laugh, sorry lol
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Experts link sexual revolution with 'gender chaos,' pornography in ‘Generation Indoctrination’ finale

In the season finale of “Generation Indoctrination,” host Brandon Showalter and his guests trace a cultural trajectory they say has led from the sexual revolution of the 1960s to what they describe as today’s “gender chaos,” including transgenderism and pornography.

“If you spend any time in the land of gender confusion, there’s a common question you’ll hear asked among bewildered people: how on Earth did we get here?” Showalter says in the episode, “From ‘Free Love’ to Gender Chaos: Tracing the Road from the Sexual Revolution to Today.

“The assault of gender ideology on natural reason … is so profound, it precipitates further questions about what led to this insanity. It didn’t emerge from a vacuum.”

Canadian journalist Jonathon Van Maren, host of "The Jonathon Van Maren Show," contended that the roots of transgender ideology can be traced directly to the sexual revolution.

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New belief among teenagers. What do you think?

Call what was there anything you wish, according to science something must have been there. We call what must have been there God, and we have an idea of God which may be different than others. Yet something was there according to science. It's just a matter of debate as to what was there.
There seems a disconnect in your argument. Yes, the provisional conclusion is that something preceded the Big Bang (on the presumption that the Big Bang is the correct explanation of observations to date), but nothing suggests that this something was a conscious entity of immense power, certainly not one who took a direct interest in some fleeting lifeforms, circling a mediocre star in one of many billions of galaxies. Reflecting on my beliefs as a Christian the suggestion that the material/energy something that may have preceded the Big Bang was somehow God, rather than material created by God strikes me as ludicrous.
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Exodus 31:17 "in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth"

In Ex 20:11 it is God Himself writing the words and speaking them directly to all of Israel --

"for in six 'yom' H3117 the Lord made the heavens the earth the seas and all that is in them"

Gen 1:5 "the first 'yom" - the first day.

Ex 20:9 "for six days 'yom' you shall labor..."
Ex 20:11 "for in six days 'yom' the Lord Made"

Ex 31:17 "for in six days 'yom' " the Lord made
Exodus 19: "And the LORD said unto Moses, Go unto the people, and sanctify them to day and to morrow, and let them wash their clothes, 11And be ready against the third day: for the third day the LORD will come down in the sight of all the people upon mount Sinai. 12And thou shalt set bounds unto the people round about, saying, Take heed to yourselves, that ye go not up into the mount, or touch the border of it: whosoever toucheth the mount shall be surely put to death: 13There shall not an hand touch it, but he shall surely be stoned, or shot through; whether it be beast or man, it shall not live: when the trumpet soundeth long, they shall come up to the mount. 14And Moses went down from the mount unto the people, and sanctified the people; and they washed their clothes. 15And he said unto the people, Be ready against the third day: come not at your wives.

16And it came to pass on the third day in the morning, that there were thunders and lightnings, and a thick cloud upon the mount, and the voice of the trumpet exceeding loud; so that all the people that was in the camp trembled. 17And Moses brought forth the people out of the camp to meet with God; and they stood at the nether part of the mount."
"20And the LORD came down upon mount Sinai, on the top of the mount: and the LORD called Moses up to the top of the mount; and Moses went up."


Exodus 20:
"1And God spake all these words, saying,"

"18And all the people saw the thunderings, and the lightnings, and the noise of the trumpet, and the mountain smoking: and when the people saw it, they removed, and stood afar off. 19And they said unto Moses, Speak thou with us, and we will hear: but let not God speak with us, lest we die. 20And Moses said unto the people, Fear not: for God is come to prove you, and that his fear may be before your faces, that ye sin not. 21And the people stood afar off, and Moses drew near unto the thick darkness where God was."


Exodus 24: "1And he said unto Moses, Come up unto the LORD, thou, and Aaron, Nadab, and Abihu, and seventy of the elders of Israel; and worship ye afar off. 2And Moses alone shall come near the LORD: but they shall not come nigh; neither shall the people go up with him."


"9Then went up Moses, and Aaron, Nadab, and Abihu, and seventy of the elders of Israel:"


"12And the LORD said unto Moses, Come up to me into the mount, and be there: and I will give thee tables of stone, and a law, and commandments which I have written; that thou mayest teach them."


"15And Moses went up into the mount, and a cloud covered the mount. 16And the glory of the LORD abode upon mount Sinai, and the cloud covered it six days: and the seventh day he called unto Moses out of the midst of the cloud."

"18And Moses went into the midst of the cloud, and gat him up into the mount: and Moses was in the mount forty days and forty nights."


Exodus 31: "18And he gave unto Moses, when he had made an end of communing with him upon mount Sinai, two tables of testimony, tables of stone, written with the finger of God."


Exodus 24-Exodus 31.....

Spake/Wrote... etc...


Exodus 31: "12And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying, 13Speak thou also unto the children of Israel, saying, Verily my sabbaths ye shall keep: for it is a sign between me and you throughout your generations; that ye may know that I am the LORD that doth sanctify you. 14Ye shall keep the sabbath therefore; for it is holy unto you: every one that defileth it shall surely be put to death: for whosoever doeth any work therein, that soul shall be cut off from among his people. 15Six days may work be done; but in the seventh is the sabbath of rest, holy to the LORD: whosoever doeth any work in the sabbath day, he shall surely be put to death. 16Wherefore the children of Israel shall keep the sabbath, to observe the sabbath throughout their generations, for a perpetual covenant. 17It is a sign between me and the children of Israel for ever: for in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, and on the seventh day he rested, and was refreshed.

18And he gave unto Moses, when he had made an end of communing with him upon mount Sinai, two tables of testimony, tables of stone, written with the finger of God."



Exodus 24: "12And the LORD said unto Moses, Come up to me into the mount, and be there: and I will give thee tables of stone, and a law, and commandments which I have written; that thou mayest teach them."



Already 'written' before Exodus 31...


So, what alphabet was used in the written tablets already prepared seeing how they left Egypt yet seemingly having, or not having, kept their own language intact for over 300 years?


Which other 'person' was able to 'proof read' what was written in agreement with how the other person 'translated' to be learned and taught?


So, what alphabet was used in the written tablets?


This was during the life-time of 'Moses'.... per se.....
Moses:
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מֹשֶׁהמֹשֶׁה
mōšê
Exodus 2 :: King James Version (KJV)

The members that left Egypt had not yet began entering into the Promised Land....


The Paleo-Hebrew script (Hebrew: הכתב העברי הקדום), also Palaeo-Hebrew, Proto-Hebrew or Old Hebrew, is the writing system found in Canaanite and Aramaic inscriptions, including pre-Biblical and Biblical Hebrew, from southern Canaan, also known as the biblical kingdoms of Israel (Samaria) and Judah. It is considered to be the script used to record the original texts of the Bible.


Paleo-Hebrew alphabet - Wikipedia


You wouldn't be able to read or give any 'laws', per se, if all library materials today in the U.S. was in Old English.....


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So as of today, I think that the Proto Hebrew was used for any 'reference' point but were there any pre- Proto Hebrew Scriptures that were left untranslated?

Do I sort of make sense?



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Verses from the Vetus Latina Gospel of John (16:23–30) as they appear on a page of the Codex Vercellensis

File:Codex Vercellensis - Old Latin gospel (John ch. 16, v. 23-30) (The S.S. Teacher's Edition-The Holy Bible - Plate XXXII).jpg - Wikimedia Commons
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Demi-Leigh Tebow opens up about motherhood, says daughter gave her new perspective on God’s love

When Demi-Leigh Tebow welcomed her first child, daughter Daphne Raine, with her husband Tim Tebow in July, the world she once knew shifted in an instant.

“People always tell you, it’s a love you just have never experienced before, and I can totally resonate with that,” the 30-year-old author, speaker and former Miss Universe told The Christian Post. “I feel like I’m learning so much through her every day … just getting to see life all over again, through her little eyes, and celebrate all the little milestones.”

“Every line, every sleepless night, it’s an honor to have those things,” she added. “Somehow I feel like I’m going to miss it. Those sweet little midnight feeding sessions and moments. … I know at one point I’ll look back and just miss those, too.”

It’s a sentiment she carries into her new book, Knowing Who You Are Because of Who God Is: 100 Days to Unbreakable Faith, out Sept. 16. Dedicated to her daughter, the devotional is an invitation to trade the noise of cultural expectations for the confidence of faith.

With cover illustrations by the same artist who designed Tebow’s wedding invitation, the book’s structure reflects her current, busier season of life.

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Annunciation Catholic school student shot in head is showing 'miraculous' improvement, family says

A 12-year-old Annunciation Catholic School shooting victim is making "miraculous" progress toward recovery after she was shot in the head on Aug. 27, with family crediting "fervent prayer."

Sophia Forchas, a 12-year-old student at the school located at Annunciation Catholic Church in Minneapolis, Minnesota, was one of several students injured in the mass shooting at the parochial school three weeks ago. The attack also claimed the lives of students Fletcher Merkel, 8, and Harper Moyski, 10.

Sophia Forchas, 12.
Sophia Forchas, 12. | GoFundeMe

Last Friday, Forchas' family provided a positive update on the student's condition in a message posted on a GoFundMe page to raise funds to pay for costs associated with her recovery.

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Two arrested after incendiary device found under local Fox TV news van in Utah

Proof that people really DO want a civil war. SMH
Some people. This sentiment seems to ebb and flow with the times.
They also have middle eastern names, so, lots of fuel for segments of the right.
Oh goody. At the season has passed so it won't be a long, hot summer as so many before have been.
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Atty. warns of alarming consequences if church loses property dispute over biblical beliefs

An attorney representing a Maine church that's suing a university system for allegedly refusing to sell a property to them because the religious entity objects to same-sex marriage has warned of “broader implications” if the congregation loses the case.

Last year, Calvary Chapel Belfast filed a lawsuit against the University of Maine System when the academic institution rescinded an offer to buy a school property, allegedly because of local outrage over the church’s religious views.

Liberty Counsel Associate Vice President of Legal Affairs, Daniel Schmid, who is helping to represent Calvary Chapel in court, told The Christian Post that there were “broader implications” if the church's lawsuit is rejected.

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State Judge dismisses two top charges against Luigi Mangione in UnitedHealthcare CEO shooting

I wouldn't read too much into that. NY apparently defines its flavors of murder somewhat differently than other states. For many of us, our concept of "murder 1" just means that it was deliberate and premeditated. In NY, it has to be deliberate and premeditated AS WELL as meet one of a number of other criteria including: the target being a public servant or official; the murder was part of a larger conspiracy; the murder was intended to be an act of terrorism; etc.


It sounds like the state failed to show that this was anything other than "normal" premeditated murder which, in NY, is classified as murder 2.
Yes, it seems as though each state has its own rankings of murder and such.
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'Mainstream’ liberal media covered themselves in shame after Charlie Kirk’s assassination

Makes me wonder, for people who claim to so compassionate and tolerant, can you just imagine how many on the left would have been celebrating if the assassin did not miss his shot in Butler, PA?
It’s crossed my mind as well.
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Charlie Kirk's alleged assassin's transgender roommate 'hates conservatives and Christians,' relative says

Sexual orientation, gender identity, and gender presentation are different concepts.

It's complicated, but actual gay men would not accept the idea that a man is gay merely because he has a trans partner. And alot of younger people wouldn't, either, whether they are gay or straight.
Sure. I think it’s called whatever goes.
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It Backfired - Huge Surge in New TPUSA Chapters

Most of them at some level, though none are exclusive. This article covers a bit of it:

Charlie Kirk suspect spoke the language of the far-Right
Ridiculous article. The first thing mentioned is a mistake or a lie. The slav squat did not come from Pepe. The squat predates Pepe. The rest of the stuff is not worth addressing as it amounts to saying "The shooter sometimes eats eggs for breakfast. GROYPERS DO THAT TOO!!!"

Fuentes is probably scared.
He was probably scared before this happened. He's already had someone try to kill him and several incidents of weirdos showing up at his residence since he got doxed.
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False Mysticism

I think there's a problem here and that is, what is the definition of mysticism? Because I don't think its even used properly. If someone believes in flat earth, that doesn't automatically mean they are involved in mysticism. The definition of mysticism that the bible is against is when you prioritize subjective, personal spiritual experiences and private revelations as a source of truth equal to or greater than the Bible. So, for example:

Person 1 believes in flat earth because they believe God revealed it to them through the bible by counting every 5 words that form a sentence structure. <--- That is Mysticism.

Person 2 believes in flat earth because they look at the arguments for science that seem to back up the claim about the earth being flat. <--- Not mysticism because you can be non religious and purely look at the science the flat earth community provides and accept their stance.

While I agree that there is a problem with it at large, I think there's more info or points than what is stated.
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Here’s the No. 1 fallacy on eternal security

Saved from condemnation is inseparable from the indwelling of the Trinity,
It's all inseparable in the redeemed--regeneration, indwelling Holy Spirit, faith, salvation, justification, imputed righteousness, sanctification, resurrection, glorification. . .it's all guaranteed with regeneration and testified to the redeemed by the Holy Spirit (Ro 8:16-17, 2 Co 1:22, 5:5, Eph 1:13).
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False Preachers/Teachers

I'm a non denominational Christian.
I was in a religion before being saved for over 20 yrs. I won't name it since group rules say not to put down those things and I have nothing good to say about it tbh. Thankfully God saved me out of that

I'm thankful to hear that the Lord has brought you further along and closer to Him in all of that.
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Gender ideology is choking the truth in school shootings

I've never seen a study done on it, but it might be enlightening to see the percentage numbers for "transsexual" killers in the total "transsexual" population, as juxtaposed against the number of "cisgender" killers in the total "cisgender" population, and see if the "transsexual" numbers are greater within their specific population as a whole. I.e., are they more prone to violent behavior due to the fact of their specific psychosexual abnormality?

I'd like to see the numbers on something like that, but I have no idea where to look, and I'll be hanged if I'm gonna try to crunch those numbers myself, LOL! ;)
I don’t know. But we need to look at the larger issue at hand. Telling someone something they aren’t only harms them imo
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The fascinating reformed theology paradox of Hebrew 6:4-6

“Appealing to ‘Biblical reasoning’ doesn’t solve the problem—it just avoids it. You’re using predestination in Romans 8 as a trump card to reinterpret Hebrews 6,
So Ro 8 is true only in certain circumstances, not across all God's word and, therefore, has no bearing outside Ro?

Is gravity true across God's earth, or only in certain circumstances?
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Evolution, one more argument against

I hope you will note that everything you just wrote is from your imagination -- no facts involved at all.
Did you not read the post? I expressly invited readers to "imagine". Similar to the beginnings of arguments from evolutionary biologists.

Here's some mathematical evidence:

Neo-Darwinism must Mutate to survive​

There has been limited progress to the modern synthesis. The central focus of this perspective is to provide evidence to document that selection based on survival of the fittest is insufficient for other than microevolution. Realistic probability calculations based on probabilities associated with microevolution are presented. However, macroevolution (required for all speciation events and the complexifications appearing in the Cambrian explosion) are shown to be probabilistically highly implausible (on the order of 10−50) when based on selection by survival of the fittest. We conclude that macroevolution via survival of the fittest is not salvageable by arguments for random genetic drift and other proposed mechanisms.


Where? Give an example.
Go through the thread and search the word "fact" and you'll find many examples.
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