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How do we set aside the grace of God?

So some works are more devastating than others.

Alright then, I understand better what you mean when you say "salvation is by faith alone without works".

You must have read Grace Evangelical Society in forming doctrines like that.
My doctrine comes from scripture and what God shows me.
If you read Romans 8, it explains about staying in the Spirit fulfills the law of sin and death. If one doesn't stay in the Spirit the law of sin and death is not fulfilled, and death is the result. That is God's doctrine.
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Who is on the Lords Side?

Verse 5 says ‘the Lord dwells on high’. So, before His Return, we see in verses 3-4 & 10-11, the nations as at present and in V14 Judah’s judgement. V15-16 say His faithful people will live prosperously in the Land, then V17-24 speaks of the Return of Jesus and His reign during the Millennium.
Technically Jesus never left, remember? "I will never leave or forsake you."

Point remains unaddressed by you is: Where in your timeline is the devil (and his messengers) sent to the fire?

Until that happens, there is nothing different than what it is today

I'll take it that you preferred to not address the fact of Rev. 5:13, all of creation praising God, and are sticking to the blood and guts destruction scenario for people only
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Dual Booting a PC

WINE was always iffy for me. Sometimes it works; sometimes it doesn't. One year, when the kids got a game from grandparents, it wouldn't run on our old machine under Windows, but worked perfectly fine on the same machine in Linux under WINE. In those days was tinkering with Debian and Ubuntu, so don't recall which distro it was.
Maybe boot Linux and run Windows in a VM
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Are the Jews Israel, or is the church Israel? Or does it depend on the context of the passage?

You claimed "we cannot be the elect today."

The "Children of the Promise" are the elect who's Spiritual Father is Abraham.

This is who the true believers in Christ are today. This is what Paul was saying in Gal 3.

Galatians 3 says nothing about us being the elect.

It says we are righteous by faith without works.
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Questions and Answers

Who are the Lord’s People ? - To be gathered into the Promised Land, soon after the Lord’s Day of vengeance and wrath. Ezekiel 34:11-31

This is a difficult question and really only God knows. It does seem clear, from what the Bible tells us, that they are mostly actual descendants of Jacob. all the 12 tribes.

But, even in ancient days, aliens joined and were accepted as Israelites:

Isaiah 56:8 Yet others I will gather, to those already gathered in the Land.

John 11:52 Jesus will die, not for the Jews alone but in order to gather together the scattered children of God. Revelation 5:9-10…people from every tribe, nation and language.

In Galatians 3:26-29. Paul says that all true believers in Jesus Christ are no longer aliens and are deemed by faith, to be children of Abraham. Isaiah 51:1-5, Isaiah 56:1-8

The New Testament brings a new day – not only would the Israelites be a part of God’s people but in this new day the Gentiles could be grafted into this people line. Therefore, all true believers in Jesus are now My People: the Israel of God, the Overcomers for Him.

You will know My people by their righteous lives.


John 15:16 You did not choose Me- I chose you. I appointed you to go on and bear fruit, fruit that will last.

Luke 6:44 Each tree is known by its fruit, you don’t get figs or grapes from brambles or thistles.

Matthew 12:33-35 You can tell a tree by its fruit.

Matthew 7:19 A tree that does not yield sound fruit is cut down and thrown on the fire

Isaiah 3:10 Happy are the righteous, all will be well with them. They will enjoy the fruits of their deeds.

Proverbs 11:30 The fruit of the righteous is the tree of life.

When will these end time events happen?
It is very scary, but it seems likely that the prophecies that speak clearly of the Lords Day of vengeance will be fulfilled in the near future. I agree with the idea that the Great Tribulation will finish with the Return of Jesus.

An interesting verse in Luke 13:32 Jesus says that He will work for 2 days then will attain His reward on the third. As a day is like 1000 years to the Lord in heaven, then His reward, His Millennial reign will start exactly 2000 years after the start of His ministry, in 29/30 AD. And again in Hosea 6:2 After 2 days, He will revive us. On the 3rd day we will live in His presence; during Jesus’ Millennium reign.

We can only guess how much time is needed for the Gathering and Judgement of His people and their settlement in the Land.

But, judgement may happen at any time, this crazy situation between Israel and the Muslims has gone on so long, just cannot stay like this forever. Watch Iran, their Shi-ite Muslim leaders are doing all they can to prepare the weapons to destroy Israel. This attack will be their doom. Deuteronomy 32:34-35, Jeremiah 49:35-36

How will His people gather in the Land ?
Jeremiah 30:10 Israel, do not despair, I shall bring you back safe from afar.

Ezekiel 34:11-12 Now I shall take a thought for My sheep and search for them. As a shepherd, I shall find and rescue my sheep, no matter where they were scattered, on the Day of darkness. [the Sixth Seal worldwide disaster]

Isaiah 49:22 The Lord says, I shall beckon to the nations, hoist My signal to the peoples and they will bring your sons in their arms and your daughters on their shoulders.

Jeremiah 16:15-17 I will bring the Israelites back to the Land that I gave to their forefathers. I shall send for many fishermen and they will fish for them. After that, I shall send for many hunters and they will hunt them from every place. For My eyes are on all their ways, I am watching them and I see any wrongdoing.

Isaiah 60:8-9 Who are these, that sail along like clouds, that fly like doves to their dovecotes? They are vessels assembling from the coasts and islands; they bring your children from far away, their treasure with them. The Holy One of Israel has made you glorious for His honour. Psalms 107

Hosea 2:14 Now I shall woo Israel and lead her into the wilderness, speak words of encouragement to her.

Psalm 68:7 God, when at the head of Your people, You marched through the barren waste – the earth trembled and rain poured down.

Psalm 68:17 There were myriads of Gods chariots when the Lord comes from Sinai.

Zechariah 8:8 My people, brought back to live in Jerusalem.

Zechariah 10:10 I shall lead them into Gilead and Lebanon, until there is no more room.

What will the Lord’s people eat and drink ?
Ezekiel 36:8 You, mountains of Israel will put forth your branches and yield fruit for My people, Israel for their homecoming is near. See, I am now for you, I shall turn to you – the land will be tilled and sown. I shall settle on you many people- the whole House of Israel.

Isaiah 41:17-19 The poor and needy look for water and find none. I, the Lord will provide for their needs. I shall open springs in the hills and pools in the desert.

Ezekiel 34:14-16 There will be rich grazing on the hills of Israel. I shall strengthen the sick and give My flock their proper food.

Micah 7:14….your flocks will graze in Bashan and Gilead as in days gone by. [currently part of Muslim Jordan]

Ezekiel 34:26-27 I will bless you with rain in due season. Trees will bear fruit and the soil its produce.

Psalm 81:16 You will be fed with the best flour and honey.

Joel 2:19 The Lord answered their appeal and said – I shall send you corn, new wine and oil. You will have plenty of food.

Where will My people gather ?
Ezekiel 37:21-22 I am going to take the Israelites from their places of exile among the nations. I shall assemble them on the mountains of Israel.

Amos 3:9 Make this proclamation – Assemble yourselves on the hills of Samaria, look at the tumult seething among her people.

Ezekiel 20:35-36 I shall bring you into the wilderness of the peoples, there I shall confront you and bring you to judgement. Even as I did to your forefathers in the desert of Egypt.

A leader appointed
Jeremiah 30:21 A governor will appear, one of your own number – I will bring him near and let him approach Me. Hosea 1:11 [BEFORE the Return of Jesus]

Prayer and encouragement for His people:
Colossians 1:9-12 We ask God that we may receive from Him, full insight into His will, all wisdom and spiritual understanding, so that our manner of life may be worthy of the Lord and entirely pleasing to Him. We pray that we may bear fruit in active goodness of every kind, and grow in the knowledge of God.

In His glorious might, may He give us ample strength to meet with fortitude and patience whatever comes; and to give joyful thanks to the Father who has made us fit to share in the heritage of Gods people in the Kingdom of light.
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Does anyone still receive the Eucharist by mouth?

I do most of the time. In fact, even though I go to a novus ordo I try to do everything as if I were at a TLM. So I receive on the tongue, I'll kneel if I can, I don't receive from the chalice if it's offered (it hasn't been at my parish since before covid), etc.

Only time I won't is if I get stuck in an EMHC's communion line. Usually I try to get into father's line, or if a deacon is assisting that day I'll stay in his line if I end up in it.
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Curious as to what precisely makes Full-Preterism considered an non orthodox heresy?

Not sure it is better. I'm not having this discussion to learn about preterism. My beliefs about Bible prophecy are sealed up. I'm having it because I want to know if people who call them heretics really know what they are talking about. So far I'm seeing tribalism at play.
Are heretics people who bring a false gospel, the ones Jesus says not to have a conversation with , nor share a meal, nor invite them in to your home, lest it brings the same judgment , certain perfectly right judgement, as they themselves receive at God's Hand ?
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trump administration mull ending Habeas Corpus.

They did rule against him on Abrego Garcia.

It is true that for the most part, the Supreme Court has been taking his side since his re-election. However, one should note that few (any?) of them are actual merits cases and are just injunctions. In a legal podcast I listen to (can't remember which one, but I'm almost certain it was either Advisory Opinions or Divided Argument), I remember it being noted that after Abrego Garcia, it seems Trump's Department of Justice has been more careful with its injunction appeals, pointing out as an example the actions against the law firms haven't had their injunctions appealed, probably because there's a higher likelihood of failure in those.

There are some actual merits cases coming up that involve Trump, so I suppose we can see in those. There's Learning Resources v. Trump (the Tariffs one) and Trump v. Slaughter (the Independent Agencies one). A case on birthright citizenship will probably get added sometime this term too.
Perhaps John Roberts is fine with being the last Chief Justice?
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Any Old School Holiness Pentecostals?

what is "holiness"?
In Scripture "holy" means set apart <by The Creator> from the world, from the flesh, from carnality?, set apart and always away from, not a part of , different from , the flesh and the worldly and the carnality of people/ society.
It is always an adjective, never a name nor a title in Scripture.
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Please explain CCC 536 regarding Jesus and the Spirit: 'possessed in fullness' yet 'comes to rest on him'.

I've yet to hear a good reason; let's hear it.

There’s too much criticism of Roman Catholics on this forum and I am not going to debate my Catholic friends on this issue, particularly since if I wanted to go to a Catholic liturgy without the filioque, most Byzantine Rite Catholics omit it (the RCC doesn’t use the filioque in Greek, which raises the possibility that indeed, as some have argued, the issue was one caused by the differences between the Greek and Latin language, and what troubled the mainly Greek speaking Orthodox under St. Photius would not have occurred to the Latin speaking Christians in Spain who added the Filioque while dealing with a major outbreak of Adoptionism).

Also its obviously the case that our Lord, God and Savior Jesus Christ sent God the Holy Spirit to be our comforter and Paraclete (of course, God the Holy Spirit sent God the Son and Word into the world by descending upon the Blessed Virgin Mary, causing her to conceive, and become the Theotokos, the immaculate* Mother of God, while remaining a virgin, a status she retains even now.

*Although in Orthodoxy our model of original sin, which also used to be favored in the West, based on the writings of St. John Cassian rather than those of St. Augustine, who we also venerate, does not cause a need for the doctrine of the Immaculate Conception, our hymns, which are of great antiquity, do frequently refer to the our most glorious lady Theotokos and ever-virgin Mary as Immaculate, for we believe she did not commit any sins in her life, and additionally the Dormition or Assumption was for us dogmatic at least 1500 years before being recognized as a dogma by Pope Pius XII.
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JPPT1974's Daily Devotions

How Daniel was such a very brave
Young man and that despite
Being thrown over in the
Lion's den when he was
Facing on such a very likely
Death but God's love and protection
Shielded him from that as he could had lost
His life and being forced to lose his faith in God
But he was steadfast in God's faith.
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Post-tribulation Rapture Believers Safe House

I wrote a fictional text that dispensationalism "needed" but does not have.

Just as you quoted me saying it -- "Before the tribulation He will send His angels to gather His elect from one end of the sky to the other" in all of scripture.

I also wrote 2 verses. Matt 24:29 and Matt 24:31 as they actually are

Matt 24:
29 “But immediately after the tribulation of those days ...31 And He will send forth His angels with a great trumpet and they will gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of the sky to the other.

which is incredibly problematic for dispensationalism

The full text still maintains the same sequence between vs 24 and vs 31. It is unchanged.
Let me prove to you that the Bible makes you SDA’s wrong. There is no way Matt 24:31 follows immediately after verse 29.

Matt 24:29-31 (ESV): 29 “Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light, and the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. 30 Then will appear in heaven the sign of the Son of Man, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 31 And he will send out his angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

Verse 29 occurs immediately after the Trib exhausts its 21 judgments of God’s wrath. It goes right into the specific phenomena associated with the ending of the Trib.

Verse 30 is about Heaven opening up for all to see Jesus Christ coming on the clouds of Heaven, to start the 2A (2nd Advent).

Verse 31 begins with “And he will … “

Here’s the proof you SDA’s are missing. Verse 29 makes no mention of Jesus. Notice the first words of verse 30: (“Then will appear in Heaven … “). Those are the first of anything about Jesus in these three verses. Verse 31 begins with, “And he will …”

Verse 29 does not mention Jesus at all. Verse 31 begins with, “And he will …”

How can Jesus continue in mention with, “And he will … “ immediately after verse 29 when Jesus is not mentioned at all in verse 29?

Verse 30 gets it right! It begins with, “Then will appear …”) which is clearly the first mention of Jesus in these three verses.

Do you get it? Verse 31’s secondary mentioning (“And he will”) can’t possibly immediately follow verse 29 that has no mention of Jesus. Verse 30 (“Then will appear …”) is the primary mention of Jesus.

It is therefore linguistically impossible for verse 31, a secondary mentioning (“And he will”) to immediately come after verse 29 (with no mentioning of Jesus).

The Bible thoroughly proves you SDA’s are completely wrong.
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The Schumer Shutdown

it is reversing legislation that passed both house and the President signed into law. They can’t get it done legislatively, so they are holding the country hostage trying to force their way.
That's odd. I thought they were using legislative procedure. Is voting against cloture not a valid Senate procedural position?
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I've been anointed by God to send the one True Word! I would love some feedback and discussion!

Gerorge, i believe your looking for God, so i hope you ponder on these things and think about it seriously. I believe I have experienced something similar to what your going through now.

1. Not all things that you hear come from God George.

2. Like everyone is saying the things your writing, some of it is true, but alot of it is off, we are to test things to see if what we hear and do is coming from God.

3. It sounds like to me, this anointment hasn't come from God, because the things you write are out of line, not just the profanity but the message as well.

4. If it's not coming from God, even if it's something we want, we need to let go of it, and start seeking him again, because we don't have the truth yet.

Don't be upset or discouraged, it's a tactic from the enemy. He is trying to make you believe you found the truth, to knock you off the path.

It happened to me, because I was gettibg so close to the truth, go back and keep seeking God, your nearly there.;)


I really don't pray much for others, but as brothers and sisters, who are to walk in love with eachother, I feel like we should be praying for other believers, so can everyone please pray for him, mainly for wisdom, and discernment.
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