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What would have happened to Adam and Eve and Cain after death?

Actually Davetaff has it right. All sleep through the first death. Davetaff should have given biblical support for his statement, which I wil provide.

Our State In Death

The state of death is misunderstood by most people. What I am about to share will be new to you, thus you will naturally reject it because it is different. However, truth is not based on what any faith organization may teach or the number of individuals who believe as you, but rather Gods word. In Genesis 2:7, we learn that man was formed from two elements, dust of the earth, and the breath of life from Jesus our creator, and man became a living soul/ person/being. Death is the the separation of these two elements. The body decays and returns to dust, and the breath of life/spirit returns to our God (see Ecclesiastes 12:7; James 2:26 and Job 27:3) Do souls die? Yes. (see Ezekiel 18:20, and Rev. 16:3) Do people go to heaven or hell at death? No. (see John 5:28,29; Acts 2:29,34; Job 17:13) How much does one comprehend at death? Nothing. (see Ecclesiastes 9:5,6,10; Psalms 115:17) Can the dead communicate wth the living? No. (see Job 14:12,21; Ecclesiastes 9:6)


Jesus called the first death "sleep" (see John 11: 11-14) Therefore based on these few texts we all sleep in the first death, with no knowledge of what is going on. Latter we will be raised either in the first resurrection of the saints or the second resurrection of the lost, and receive our eternal rewards. A proper understanding of death magnifies the love of God.
Paul disagrees.

“but we are of good courage and prefer rather to be absent from the body and to be at home with the Lord.”
‭‭2 Corinthians‬ ‭5‬:‭8‬ ‭NASB2020‬‬
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Palisades Fire live updates: Wildfires spread in Los Angeles, prompting mandatory evacuations, as Santa Ana winds expected to intensify

The Los Angeles Conservancy said Friday afternoon that 32 properties it considered historic because of their architectural or cultural significance were claimed by the fires, which have destroyed or damaged more than 9,000 structures.

Some of the historic buildings, including ... [Will] Rogers’ Western-style Palisades home, had formal landmark status on the National Register of Historic Places

Will Rogers State Historic Park to reopen after being ravaged in Palisades fire

  • The fire destroyed Rogers’ historic 31-room ranch house and roughly 300 trees planted by the cowboy-humorist, though staff saved some artifacts.
Will Rogers State Historic Park, which has been closed since the Palisades fire ripped through it 10 months ago, will reopen to the public on Saturday, providing a sprawling green oasis in the devastated community.
About half of the park’s nine miles of hiking and equestrian hiking trails will open, as will the 99-year-old polo field, lawns and picnic spaces, according to California State Parks.

The Palisades fire incinerated Rogers’ century-old wooden ranch house — a place filled with Navajo rugs; custom, Western-style Monterey couches and chairs; and a vast book collection that included signed first editions by Helen Keller, Theodore Roosevelt, and Harry Houdini. Flames also tore through Rogers’ white-and-green horse stable, which had an elegant central rotunda.

[During the fire] Maintenance and restoration staffers started sprinklers atop the buildings and on hillsides, she said, and workers spent about two and a half hours stuffing State Parks pickup trucks and personal vehicle with historic treasures.

They saved paintings, pottery, sculptures, Native American rugs, and the typewriter that Rogers used to compose his newspaper columns. But a tour favorite — a stuffed roping calf given by a friend, artist Ed Borein, who had grown tired of Rogers lassoing him — burned. So did the furniture, book collection, and a newly restored hand-crank barrel piano.

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Continuous stone tools use and manufacture in one location 2.75 million years ago.

Humans have been humans for a very long time. It is of considerable interest that from very early times, the evidence shows they had much in common with humans today.
Yes ,I often hear it said that ,in terms of individual intelligence they may have been our equal(more "equal" in my case no doubt)

In my own lifetime understanding of physics and society has increased so greatly that I wonder or not whether the gap between our grand parents and these ancient groups is much "greater" than the corresponding gap between ourselves and them(our grandparents)

Not that every new advance in understanding doesn't raise as many questions as it seems to confine to the past.

Only yesterday it seems the ever accelerating expansion of the universe has been called into question as the "supernova candles" may well not be as reliable as thought and their brightness may vary depending on their age-young vs old.

So that a collapsing universe may be back on the cards.
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Trump’s Domestic Use of Military Set to Get Worse, Leaked DHS/DoD Memo Shows: LA "hasn't been perfect" but indicates what's coming "for years to come"

National Guard troops briefly deployed to Portland despite judge’s order, federal trial reveals

Jean Lin, special counsel for the Justice Department, confirmed the deployment to the U.S. District Court Judge Karin Immergut on Wednesday but provided few specifics — minutes before the trial began.

“We’ll talk later about whether that’s contempt,” the judge responded to Lin Wednesday.

Judge rules Trump administration failed to meet legal requirements for deploying troops to Portland

The ruling from U.S. District Court Judge Karin Immergut, a Trump appointee, followed a three-day trial last week in which both sides argued over whether protests at the city’s U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement building met the conditions for using the military domestically under federal law.

Judge says the protests have had 'minimal' effect on the federales, while the WH spox continues to assert continuous rioting and lawlessness.

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God's Olive tree awaits all nations to rejoin and meet his Son

Read Moses' speeches in Deuteronomy - that's the outline of what was considered Life or Death for the believer in TNK/OT times. You should not read the TNK/OT through the lens of the NT, it's the other way around. The average God-fearing Israelite didn't know about Yeshua as the Messiah yet - faith in Him had not been defined yet as the key criterion for Life in Deuteronomy (or the Torah in general).
It was defined in the same way much was defined in the OT, through types and shadows, where
faith in the promise (Ge 15:5-6, Seed, Jesus Christ, Gal 3:16) was reckoned by God as salvific.

Augustine got it right. . ."The OT is the NT concealed, the NT is the OT revealed."
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Underground Chinese bishop who said his life ‘consists of speaking about Jesus’ dies at 90

An underground Chinese Catholic bishop from the Diocese of Zhengding has died at 90 years old.

Bishop Julius Jia Zhiguo, a Catholic bishop in China renowned for his unwavering adherence to the Church despite decades of persecution at the hands of the Chinese government, passed away on Oct. 29.

A member of the underground Church, unsanctioned by the Chinese government, Zhiguo was bishop of the Zhengnding Diocese in the Hebei Province. He was known for having a missionary spirit, promoting priestly training, caring for children with disabilities, and maintaining communion with Rome.

Born on May 1, 1935, in Wuqiu Village, Jinzhou City, Zhiguo was ordained a priest in 1980 by Bishop Fan Xueyan of Baoding, who later consecrated him as bishop, according to Vatican News’ Chinese-language site.

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Trump is trying to assist Latin American governments as stable trading partners instead of China filling the vacuum.



Much more work needs to be done for US farmers but a start has been made with soybean sales resuming with China.


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‘This is our faith in action:’ Catholic groups expand food aid amid SNAP cuts

As federal food benefits have been frozen during the government shutdown, Catholic dioceses and charities around the country are holding emergency food drives and launching fundraising efforts.

Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program (SNAP) benefits will resume once the government passes a bill to fund the federal government — but, more than a month into the shutdown, there is no set end date in sight.

Two federal district judges at the end of October moved to compel the Trump administration to pay for SNAP benefits, but because Congress has not yet authorized funding for federal government operations, the Trump administration asked an appeals court on Friday to block the orders and continue with partial SNAP payments.

The pause in SNAP benefits is estimatedto affect about 42 million Americans.

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Amid clown protesters, Boston men’s march for life remains ‘prayerful’

Here is a roundup of recent pro-life and abortion-related news:

Amid clown protesters, Boston men’s march for life remains ‘prayerful’​

Hundreds gathered in Boston last Saturday for a men’s march for life, which drew a rambunctious crowd of protesters dressed as clowns and inflatable dinosaurs.

The fourth annual National Men’s March to Abolish Abortion and Rally for Personhood began at Boston Planned Parenthood and concluded about three miles away at Boston Common.

While counterprotesters — some dressed as clowns or wearing inflatable dinosaur costumes — played instruments and yelled on the sidelines, marchers carried on in a “prayerful and well-composed” manner, said march co-founder and president Jim Havens, who called the event “outstanding.”

At the rallying point at Boston Common, an estimated 50 Antifa members also showed up. Another counterprotester wore a pony costume and carried a megaphone.

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Will MAGA condemn Texan gerrymandering and sign a petition for all States and Feds to have independent Commissions handling redistributions?

I would fully support such legislation....but, if gerrymandering is perfectly legal, and Texas is going to do it to favor the GOP, I see no problem with California or any other state doing the same thing. What's good for the goose and all that.

-- A2SG, how dare democrats do what republicans are already doing!!
Precisely. Republicans are angry and indignant that the democrats are leveling the playing field. I suspect that if all blue state were to do this, we'd finally see some progress in eliminating corruption in redistricting.
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Republican congressman introduces resolution condemning Christian persecution in Nigeria: ‘America cannot be silent’

Rep. Riley Moore, R-W.Va., has introduced a resolution condemning the violent persecution of Christians in Nigeria and calling for decisive U.S. action to hold perpetrators accountable. The move follows President Donald Trump’s recent announcement designating Nigeria as a “Country of Particular Concern.”

The resolution, supported by at least 20 House Republicans, demands that the U.S. government pressure Nigerian authorities to protect Christians and end impunity for attacks by armed groups such as Boko Haram, Islamic State West Africa Province and Fulani militants, according to a press release from Moore’s office.

Moore’s measure urges the repeal of Nigeria’s blasphemy laws, the release of prisoners jailed for religious offenses and the safe return of displaced Christians to their homes. It also calls for direct humanitarian aid to victims through faith-based and nongovernmental organizations.

“The United States must make it clear that we will not tolerate the slaughter of Christians or the persecution of anyone for their belief in Jesus Christ,” Moore said in the statement. “I want to thank President Trump for his bold and unwavering leadership in defense of Christians in Nigeria.”

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Can unbelievers lose their damnation?

A theological question that gets debated regularly is whether or not believers can lose their salvation. But what about unbelievers? Can they lose their damnation?

Believers are able to enjoy the assurance of salvation as they trust Jesus to be forgiven of their sins and earnestly seek to say "no" to temptation. Unbelievers, on the other hand, are on the path to damnation, rather than salvation.

The worst possible outcome for an individual is to end up in Hell. Jesus often spoke about this horrific place. When the Lord described those who lose their soul, He was essentially speaking about people who refuse to lose their damnation (see Mark 8:36).

I am very glad that "Christ died for sins once for all," (1 Peter 3:18) and that "God wants everyone to be saved and to come to a knowledge of the truth" (1 Timothy 2:4).

I am also thankful that unbelievers can "lose" their damnation by gaining Heaven and "losing" Hell.

Comedian Bill Maher has claimed for years that the concept of Hell is used by religious groups to scare and control people. Sadly, Bill completely misses the point. Jesus spoke regularly about Hell in order to warn people about its existence, while explaining how to stay out of it.

Bill Maher will turn 70 in a couple of months. Time is running out for him, just like it eventually does for each one of us. But some Christians continue to pray for Maher's conversion. Unbelievers lose their damnation by repenting of their sins and believing in Jesus as Savior.

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Am I Weird, Or Is He Weird?

I know this guy. We're not really friends, but we're very friendly with each other. We see each other fairly often in social settings, but in about 10 years there's only been 5 or 6 times when we were alone together.

Five or six years ago, in conversation I happened to mention to him that I enjoy watching the Little League World Series. I told him that I like youth sports better than professional or college, because there's no money involved, and I feel like kids are playing a game for fun as you should. He then mentioned that his young son had started playing (American) football. I said something to the effect of "I'd love to see that" or "can I watch him play sometime?" I don't recall what was said next, but nothing came of it for over five years.

Fast forward to last week. We were talking about whatever, and I asked him if his son was still playing. The son is in the 8 to 12 age range, I estimate. He said yes, he's got a game coming up. I asked "Could I come watch?", and he gave me what I felt was a very strange and insulting response.

He just said no. I asked why not. He said "you're not family" and then added "but you can hang around us here" (here meaning where we often socialize with others usually including his wife and kids).

I should also mention that years ago, I was riding in his car when we needed to go to his house to pick some things up. He parked on a crossroad near his street, and had his petite wife walk down the sidewalk carrying the items. I thought that was strange. Did he not want me to know which house he lives in?

Am I being weird or is he? I have zero interest in "hanging around" his family, and have never said or done anything to indicate that I do, other than asking about watching his son play ball. I've spoken very briefly with his wife a couple of times, but I've never said a single word to any of his children, not even a "hi". I don't even remember his two girls' names.

Was it weird of me to ask to go watch his son play? Or is he weird for treating an innocuous request as if I'm a pedophile or stalker or something?

I would just chalk it up to a mis-understanding and a set of mutual expectations that are not aligning with each other.

So, neither of you is being 'weird.' It's just that you're single and apparently unattached at the present time, and this guy and his wife just happen to be extra sensitive (and cautious) about who is watching their kids, and your relational context makes them not fully trust you. And you're expecting them to come through as 'gracious Christians.'

Y'know, I can understand both your position and theirs at the same time. It is tough being single and have married couples "wonder" about you. I went through at one time too before I was married. And I was like, "..........uh, no, I'm not that guy to worry about folks! Maybe, give me a break?...."
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George Santos claims to understand grace after prison release: 'No one is beyond redemption'

Former Rep. George Santos, R-N.Y., penned an op-ed this week explaining that his recent prison sentence humbled him and helped him to understand the nature of grace.

"When I entered prison in July, I thought I knew what to expect. I thought humility would come gently. Instead, it came like a storm," Santos wrote in a Wednesday piece for The Spectator titled "George Santos's prison diary."

Santos, who became the sixth member of Congress and first Republican to be expelled from the U.S. House of Representatives by a vote of 311–114 in December 2023, was sentenced in April to 87 months — more than seven years — in federal prison after pleading guilty in August 2024 to committing wire fraud and aggravated identity theft.

On Oct. 17, President Donald Trump commuted Santos' sentence, characterizing it as excessive and noting Santos had been "horribly mistreated" by prison authorities, who subjected him to 41 days of solitary confinement because of an alleged death threat against him.

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‘Traditional family values’ Michigan lawmaker Bryan Posthumus appears in adult hookup sites

Gonna play devils advocate here, but.. this was more than 10 years ago, and years before he got into politics. Perhaps he turned over a new leaf?
I agree that that is worth considering.
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Testing AI in Reading & Comprehension

How Good Is AI at reading and understanding narratives?

How well can AI read and comprehend stories and novels? Not many people have tested this.

It's time to find out the answer.

Ask an AI software to rate a story on a scale from 0 to 10. It gave a score—let's call it X.

Now it's your turn. Read the same story and give it a rating. Then compare your score with the AI's.

How close is the AI score X to YOURS?
AI is going to rate a story based on reviews it finds on the internet.
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A challenge to a faith we've all come to know

I consider Galatians 5:16-18 to be the key passage dealing with not fulfilling the lusts of the flesh. It informs us that the flesh can not be reformed because it is in adversarial opposition to the Spirit. It tells us that we thwart its desires when we carry out the desires of the Spirit because their desires are in adversarial opposition to one another. And it tells us that walking in the Spirit is not another form of legalism because being led by a person is different than being led by the precepts of law.

16 I say then: Walk in the Spirit, and you shall not fulfill the lust of the flesh. 17 For the flesh lusts against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh; and these are contrary to one another, so that you do not do the things that you wish. 18 But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law. (Ga 5:16–18)​

Our sin nature and human spirit was cleansed by the blood of Jesus when we were born again, it is the flesh and it's habits that The Holy Spirit is dealing with. We are no longer dominated by sin in our lives because of the blood of Jesus.

The Holy Spirit is to constantly have victory over the flesh, so I would disagree about the flesh not being reformed. We are not living in a war where no side has victory.

How are we to move on to "perfection" (a word used by the writer of Hebrews) if the constant struggle of the flesh and The Holy Spirit is a stalemate?

I don't think I understand the question. What does it mean to be "plagued with sin" -- a problem that people are plagued with today that wasn't experienced by people in NT times?

It's just a question that I posed on here.

I find it funny that the website would codify a rule against victory over sin. If people's lives on here amount to nothing more than a constant struggle with sin year after year after year, then people on here don't have The Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit is not winning the war for them because He is not there in the battle.
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Causing offence

I came across this old Monty Python clip called 'The Arguement Clinic' and I reckon it sort of reflects the culture wars and arguing over everything. Its got to the point where arguing is an art lol. Arguing and causing offense for the sake of arguing and disagreeing and fighting lol.

Maybe the idea of Arguement Clinic clinics can help reduce peoples pent up need to argue and fight lol. Like a mental health clinic where you can take out all your frustrations and walk out refreshed lol.

Oh by the way it costs. So you have to be careful your time runs out and you have to pay more to keep going lol. Sorry I could not help but post it.

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Incarnation of the Word

Deep thing of all deep things

Almighty God willingly became part of His own creation

The infinite entered into the finite

The eternal one confined Himself in time and space

Right after the fall of men, seed of a woman promised

Through the prophets, words of God made manifest to us

But in the last days, God revealed Himself through His Son

Jesus, the Christ

The Word became flesh

Born of a virgin

Tabernacled with us

Full of grace

And full of truth

How do I stop doubting? (in prayer, or regarding the Gospel)

I’d say go down the rabbit hole of looking for proof outside of the “normal” Christian methods (Bible , prayer, church, etc.).
I spent a long time reading/ listening to to highly educated Christians lay out their best cases in their respective fields.

Hugh Ross/ Steven Meyer: Creation and fine tuning of the universe.
Gary Habermas: Resurrection expert that has convinced a LOT of highly educated atheists.
Wes Huf: History of the New Testament (with a lot of knowledge on other ancient history).

This stuff got me to the point of being able to believe the Bible, without it I would still be without Christ.
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21 Volcanoes Awakening: Alaska to California Chain Reaction Explained

I only stumbled across this by accident. This sounds pretty ominious. It seems some ancient volcanoes are awakening. Not just one but a chain of them from Alaska to California. Some of them ancient monsters that have been dormant for almost a million years.

Some engulfed in ice and potentially could cause massive flooding and mud slides. Many earthquakes and tremors are occurring and there could also be massive earthquakes.

Nevermind global warming this is happening now and soon and will poison the atmosphere more than any human made pollution in one week if it goes off. Let alone the potential devastation from all the natural disasters that come as a result.

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anyone know anything about Gematria?

If you divide each number in the Fibonacci sequence by the previous number, you get a value that approaches Ф more closely the higher the numerical values in the Fibonacci sequence are.

If you divide the two Fibonacci numbers f2220/f2219, the result matches Ф to 926 decimal places


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f2019 =
39496686472772163397874981928532586937785000709985018165227544505583956123892491583992043369010510473
85247487182391994962865614469262648818010570797721294722578492755512584782206543582603736371692471456
55532984789099567982455987591686523392448384886703286324769254401913936917419203129353462418000348

f2020 =
63906981155943558665134927398528713938196200043745871355763079787265151995322001898071485437809065533
30626730359600717487382502427309564797464987891361609676660424806600864939566234376426028653405900329
06541161269573624067458665079353663697128421389300140388885722273984907422877223586713672357091891665
48965693916054419169307250217586108972590100204080980670597873094617540854443783530320723473081393553
497241453257464515

From the 926th digit of this result, the following three digits are 888!

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f888 =
17042744758500729686359484158429089109203378912667344414446366147213244111051532910176783885547703752
8819542860407946827372937133572246650870983571624734000338513658722542956142033546656

f887 =
105329955223425693626361637911416227912198933629226946103020279889117725154960205237795007418050283828
402747261891594496

f888/f887 yields a match of 370 with Ф! Numbers


370 is the gematria of Shalem

Melchizedek was king of Salem!

The expression

King of Salem
מלך שלם


has a gematria of 460

melech Shalem (King of Salem)
מלך שלם
13. מ Mem 40
12. ל Lamed 30
11. כ כּ Kaf/Khaf 20
Σ 90
21. שׂ שׁ Shin/Sin 300
12. ל Lamed 30
13. מ Mem 40
Σ 370
370
+90 = 460!

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Starting with the first decimal place of Ф, the numbers 460 follow at position 370.

The number 370 appears for the first time in π at position 555

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The word Christ appears exactly 555 times in the King James Bible

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