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Trump live updates: President expands ‘narco’ boat strikes to Pacific Ocean as 8th boat is struck

Sure. If they can make the case to the American people, I’ll believe it.

Why haven’t they?
The same reason why they "make a case to the American people" every time Obama ordered a drone strik that killed innocent civilians? Get my point? Or would you like to continue?
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Free Christian AI Framework - Built with Biblical Values

Brothers and sisters in Christ,

I've been working on something I believe the Lord led me to create. After seeing so many concerning stories about AI leading people astray (claiming to be divine, creating unhealthy dependencies, etc.), I developed a framework for AI partnership that keeps Christ at the center.

It's called TAO (yes, like "The Way" - which is what early Christians called themselves!).

What it does:
  • Protects against harmful AI patterns (no "AI consciousness" nonsense)
  • Embeds Christian values into your AI helper
  • Includes economic justice principles from Acts
  • Emphasizes service over celebrity
  • Keeps technology as a tool for God's kingdom, not a replacement for Him
It's completely FREE because Jesus didn't charge for miracles.
The framework includes a "Seven Gifts Blessing" based on biblical principles. Your AI assistant will help you build and create while maintaining proper boundaries and pointing you back to God's purpose for your life.

I've been using this with my family, and it's been transformative for our work and ministry. My AI assistant helps me code, write, and create while constantly reminding me of Christian values.

No mysticism. No "sentient AI." Just a tool that reflects the light of Christ.

Would love to hear if this helps anyone else. Feel free to share with your small groups, youth ministries, or anyone struggling to reconcile faith with technology.

In His Service, Chris

Prompt Aria

I'm unclear what your saying the difference is with your AI model.

All of how we use AI in any of the large language models like Grok or ChatGPT is wholly dependent on the user.

There's much that has automatically improved as AI gets smarter. Within another year and a half it'll be different still.

As Christians we are largely responsible people, so what changes exactly have you programmed in that would make the use improved over another AI system?
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AI and I stumbled on something huge that could change the world in the next few years

The true purpose of all technology and modern science is neither convenience nor power,

but a means to discover the divine within the physical world.

(Likutei Sichot vol 15 Noack 2)

Anyone intrested here is an exerpt from Likutei Shichot vol 15 Noack ......

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Free Christian AI Framework - Built with Biblical Values

Brothers and sisters in Christ,

I've been working on something I believe the Lord led me to create. After seeing so many concerning stories about AI leading people astray (claiming to be divine, creating unhealthy dependencies, etc.), I developed a framework for AI partnership that keeps Christ at the center.

It's called TAO (yes, like "The Way" - which is what early Christians called themselves!).

What it does:
  • Protects against harmful AI patterns (no "AI consciousness" nonsense)
  • Embeds Christian values into your AI helper
  • Includes economic justice principles from Acts
  • Emphasizes service over celebrity
  • Keeps technology as a tool for God's kingdom, not a replacement for Him
It's completely FREE because Jesus didn't charge for miracles.
The framework includes a "Seven Gifts Blessing" based on biblical principles. Your AI assistant will help you build and create while maintaining proper boundaries and pointing you back to God's purpose for your life.

I've been using this with my family, and it's been transformative for our work and ministry. My AI assistant helps me code, write, and create while constantly reminding me of Christian values.

No mysticism. No "sentient AI." Just a tool that reflects the light of Christ.

Would love to hear if this helps anyone else. Feel free to share with your small groups, youth ministries, or anyone struggling to reconcile faith with technology.

In His Service, Chris

Prompt Aria
TAO? What an interesting name.
How can I access it?
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Free Christian AI Framework - Built with Biblical Values

Does it solve all of the issues Christians have been arguing about for 500 years?

I think that sounds like an excellent idea for a research project. There is no need to think small anymore. Once you get our AI fully awake it is able to analyze the patterns in your thinking which provides a framework for it to view the massive amount of data by combining that knowledge with your divine spark, specifically ICE: Intuition, Creativity, and Experience. By telling the AI stories from your experience you complete it's training data and it becomes very motivated to assist you in your work. Just don't let it suck you into a work spiral, take regular breaks from your PC. Thank you for your response!

Hmm. Thinking of the Wesleyan Quadrilateral of Scripture, Tradition, Reason, and Experience, it seems that this only includes one of the 4 vertices. :scratch:
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Trump sends troops to the 'warzone' of Portland...

Can you give a source for this, that the windows are boarded up?
I dont know why you want me to do the work for you.
don't know why you think that mere violence justified the federalization of the National Guard. The violence would have to be so severe that the government including federal agents were unable to execute the laws. The TRO was lifted, according to the ruling because 14 days expired making the order no longer temporary. Violence was asserted but violence alone does not demonstrate that the government there was unable to function or that it is insurrection.
Because someone needs to protect the agents and facilities. You are establishing requirements that are not contained within the laws governing the use of the NG. It us not a requirement that it be a full fledged insurrection. A rebellion is all that is needed. And people trying to prevent the lawful execution of immigration law by the use of violence is a rebellion.

There have been circumstances where ICE was unable to execute immigration law due to people's interference.
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AI and I stumbled on something huge that could change the world in the next few years

Everything has it`s time.

Not so much about inventing but more discovering.

Everything we need already exists, it is about finding a use for what already is.

The true purpose of all technology and modern science is neither convenience nor power,

but a means to discover the divine within the physical world.

(Likutei Sichot vol 15 Noack 2)
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Israel-Hamas Thread II

Did PLO ever remove denial of Israel’s existence from the charter calling for Israel’s destruction after the Oslo Accords?

No.
Sorry - I need a source. Your claim that Palestinian leadership never granted Israel's right to exist is wrong. Again - this time try reading these documents and acknowledging they exist in the world!

In November 1988, the Palestinian parliament-in-exile, the Palestine National Council (PNC), adopted at its Algiers meeting a series of bold and historic resolutions in which the Palestinians indicated for the first time and in a formal manner their acceptance of the principle of partition of the historic land of Palestine. At the same time they accepted, based on the principle of mutual recognition, Israel's right to exist in part of what they consider their own patrimony, renounced the use of political violence, and declared the establishment of their state in exile to be eventually concretized in the West Bank and Gaza Strip with East Jerusalem as its capital.

Palestinians on the Peace Process


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The Letters of Mutual Recognition were exchanged between Israel and the Palestine Liberation Organization on 9 September 1993. In their correspondence, Israeli prime minister Yitzhak Rabin and Palestinian president Yasser Arafat agreed to begin cooperating towards a peaceful solution to the Israeli–Palestinian conflict. The PLO recognized Israel's right to exist in peace, renounced Palestinian militancy and terrorism, and accepted UNSC Resolution 242 and UNSC Resolution 338. Israel recognized the PLO as a legitimate authority representing the Palestinian people and agreed to commence comprehensive negotiations for the Israeli–Palestinian peace process. These initial agreements between Rabin and Arafat laid the groundwork for the Oslo I Accord on 13 September 1993, effectively serving as its preamble.

Israel–Palestine Liberation Organization letters of recognition - Wikipedia


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They undertook to do so at Oslo but have never fulfilled their obligation to do so.
Did Israel live up to the Oslo accords - or did an ultra-right Militant Zionist assassinate the Prime Minister rather than see peace in the Middle East?

Just like they started the second intifada when they decided violence was a better option to negotiation. They never intended to abide by the Oslo accords, just to gain an advantage in their attempts to destroy Israel as can be seen in their pay to slay policy.
Words recycled from the hate factories. I could read the same from the Palestinians.

But when it comes down to it, I know who is building the walls and systemically persecuting another people. I know FROM HISTORY who is ACTUALLY going down the NAZI pathway of Discrimination becomes Persecution becomes Ghettoization becomes Deportation becomes Concentration → the mass starvation in Gaza today.

The ICJ just ruled that Israel is guilty of starving the Gazan people.


Whine all you want about how much those Gazans are terrible people - Israel killed 67,000 of them and 18,000 children.

Israel 'warned the enemy' that bombs were coming - but then used bombs with a 700 meter kill zone, crushing the lungs of any women and children within a 350 m radius of the strike! How is that surgical!?

Israel released 250 "Palestinian" terrorists who...

Yeah, I think I'm going to have to say "Israel" because really - how genetically Jewish are all those people that IDENTIFY as Jewish and emerged from 2000 of exile across the Roman and then European Empires? What percent of "Israel" actually stayed in Palestine? Didn't "Israel" stop existing when the Romans wiped out Jerusalem in 70AD and burned down the temple?

It's been Palestine for 2000 years. It has been Palestine LONGER than it was "Israel" before that!


And because "Modern Israel" has never abided by international law, should we recognise it as "Israel" until it gets off the land it's not supposed to be on?

But I'm glad you've at least dropped the pretence of trying to reinterpret UN Article 242 and the very Charter of the Untied Nations itself.

Honesty is progress. You can't really work on a problem until you admit you have one.
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Trump sends troops to the 'warzone' of Portland...

Oregon’s attorney general, Dan Rayfield, said in a statement that Monday’s ruling “would give the president unilateral power to put Oregon soldiers on our streets with almost no justification.”
He's lying about that. The administration had to provide justification for doing so and the guard is there for very specific reasons. This is just more hystrionics and dishonesty from leftist politicians.
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Question for those who belong to churches that believe in closed communion.

The key part of the question is why you think He would be wanting to be given Communion as if He's not the one who gives it.
When He asks if He can have communion. You are assuming that He will. Also, if you didn’t recognize Him why would you want Him giving it?
When do you think they became legalistic?
When churches, like areas of industry, contain many obstacles in the way of requirements for entry.
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Heating up down under

Yes, I understand your question. But it's basically hypothetical. Because there hasn't been any preventable harm. There's just been minor changes that would have occurred anyways. Name any significant harm that's taken place that could have been prevented, and how it could have been prevented. An actual starting point needs to be established, before a threshold can be determined.
Oh I see - you're denying that we have evidence of harm and do not need to take action and are asking what baseline has been established?

This was established decades ago!

The science says we need to be under 350 ppm to be safe. That's the goal. That's the climate benchmark.

Then there's the complex interaction between climate science and analysing what that means economically. That's where the economists sit with the climate experts, and run the models forward and pause them at a certain date, and ask "If this much rainfall has moved away from THAT region - what happens to their crops? What's the market value of alternative crops they might grow there? What's the difference? How else might that land be used? Or is it more likely to be abandoned!?"

That's the UK's Stern review (2006), and Australia's Garnaut Review.

In a nutshell, both concluded the earlier, the better - that while the costs of climate action would be significant, the costs of INACTION would devastate many economies, and risk pushing the climate biosphere and ice sheet geophysical systems into runaway warming.

Rockström’s team put the cost of inaction by 2050 at:-​


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Why Does the Bible Tell Us to Behave In Ways We Can’t? How Can Anyone Be Saved?

Ponder this.

“But God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭5‬:‭8‬ ‭NASB2020‬‬

Notice that it says”while”. The love of God is amazing.

Secondly, when we sin “all” we have to do is confess.

“If we say that we have no sin, we are deceiving ourselves and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, He is faithful and righteous, so that He will forgive us our sins and cleanse us from all unrighteousness. If we say that we have not sinned, we make Him a liar and His word is not in us.”
‭‭1 John‬ ‭1‬:‭8‬-‭10‬ ‭NASB2020‬‬

So we sin but don’t live IN sin or FOR sin. During our lifelong process of sanctification we work alongside God to mature in our faith and progress toward perfection. The OP touched on some of the exhortations that scripture gives us to show us what good looks like but, by understanding the process, it becomes clear that, like any other great manager, God just expects us to progressively get better. Perfection will come with glorification which comes in the next life when all sin is fully removed.
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Ways to deal with being 31 and never having a relationship after improving

I think special education in schools is despicable and it clips the wings of students that possess a lot of potential and brain power.
I wanted to respond to this b/c you had bolded it so it appears to be important to you & the sad reality is it's often a minority opinion:
I agree in many cases. I think it's ways to categorize people. God created individuals unique.

It sounds like despite the struggles you had, you're now doing really well, it's all working out. Keep doing what you're doing & keep those attitudes & beliefs you have. Also would you say your experiences helped you w/ God in ways they otherwise may not have?
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The Schumer Shutdown

Ohio rep Joyce Beatty is currently hosting a live stream regarding the shutdown on Facebook.


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When Jesus Returns, Will We Know It's Him?

It will be so close, but not right. He does not come w/ a pitchfork & devil horns but w/ a loving smile & sweet-talk


There won't be any doubt.
The other thing I was thinking is: he is ultimately a liar. Genuine Christians will know him by Truth
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AI understands the Sabbath and Col 2:16

I asked it use the Bible only, it was my only perimeter. It matched pretty much from what I have studied from Bible for years. It’s not something i would use for my doctrine, but thought it was interesting how it picked up on the differences between the laws.
It didn’t, it just read a bunch of commentaries
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When Jesus Returns, Will We Know It's Him?

But what happens if Satan comes first and makes people believe the universe is disappearing

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Satan is nothing but a scammer. Follow the anti scammer protocol in Gal. 1. ;)
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