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Hentenza · Oct 25, 2025

Bro.T said:
I'm going to answer like this....Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law (I John 3:4)

“For the promise to Abraham or to his descendants that he would be heir of the world was not through the Law, but through the righteousness of faith. For if those who are of the Law are heirs, then faith is made void and the promise is nullified; for the Law brings about wrath, but where there is no law, there also is no violation. For this reason it is by faith, in order that it may be in accordance with grace, so that the promise will be guaranteed to all the descendants, not only to those who are of the Law, but also to those who are of the faith of Abraham, who is the father of us all,”
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Romans 4:13-16 For the promise to Abraham or to his descendants that he would be heir of the world was not through the Law, but through the righteousness of faith. For if those who are of the Law are heirs, then fai | New American Standard Bible - NA

For the promise to Abraham or to his descendants that he would be heir of the world was not through the Law, but through the righteousness of faith. For if those who are of the Law are heirs, then fai

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The law is dead for the Christian. Our sins are measured by the Holy Spirit not by the law.

Bro.T said:
and the wages of sin is death (Romans 6:23). When Jesus (the true Lamb of God) was sacrificed, he removed our past sins. If we accept Jesus as our sin offering, we are required to repent and get baptized IN THE NAME OF JESUS ("there is none other name under heaven given among men whereby we must be saved..."(Acts 4: 12).

Sure. Please post a post crucifixion verse that requires the Christian to keep the 4th commandment.

Bro.T said:
To repent means to turn from our sinful ways and start obeying God's law.

The law is dead. It is a curse. I bet you hate Paul because he obliterates your belief.

“For all who are of works of the Law are under a curse; for it is written: “Cursed is everyone who does not abide by all the things written in the book of the Law, to do them.” Now, that no one is justified by the Law before God is evident; for, “the righteous one will live by faith.” However, the Law is not of faith; on the contrary, “The person who performs them will live by them.” Christ redeemed us from the curse of the Law, having become a curse for us—for it is written: “Cursed is everyone who hangs on a tree”— in order that in Christ Jesus the blessing of Abraham would come to the Gentiles, so that we would receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.”
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Galatians 3:10-14 For all who are of works of the Law are under a curse; for it is written: “CURSED IS EVERYONE WHO DOES NOT ABIDE BY ALL THE THINGS WRITTEN IN THE BOOK OF THE LAW, TO DO THEM.” Now, that no one is just | New American Standard Bible -

For all who are of works of the Law are under a curse; for it is written: “CURSED IS EVERYONE WHO DOES NOT ABIDE BY ALL THE THINGS WRITTEN IN THE BOOK OF THE LAW, TO DO THEM.” Now, that no one is just

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Bro.T said:
The water baptism signifies the washing away of our past sins. After repenting and being baptized in the name of Jesus it would be foolish for us to turn around and willingly break God's commandments. If we make an honest mistake Jesus can help us, but if we sin willingly,
after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, look out! "...there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, but a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation..." (Hebrews 10:26-27). When Jesus died only the sacrificial law was done away with, alone with Leviticus priesthood. SO the answer is Yes

In other words you will condemn any other profess Christian that does not believe as you do. This in essence invalidates your belief because salvation is by faith only and not by keeping the law.
Secondly, you don’t judge others unless you be judged in return. Your theology is in tension with the rest of scripture. It places the Christian back under the bondage of the law that Jesus came to fulfill (complete). Your theology invalidates Jesus sacrifice and the result of His sacrifice which is the propitiation of all sin. It makes absolutely no biblical sense that, even after having faith and worshiping God, that God would judge these as unbelievers simply because we worshiped Him every day including TODAY (Heb. 4:7). Ponder about this legalistic view for a bit.

Studyman · Oct 25, 2025

SabbathBlessings said:
I am going to have to respectfully disagree. I do not believe God made a mistake at Creation and the weekly Sabbath at Creation was a shadow of things to come when God at Creation made everything according to His perfect plan and there was no sin in the world so no need for a plan of salvation. The Sabbath never pointed forward to anything because God is the Creator Exo 20:11 and the Substance so no need to point forward, why God said Remember in the Sabbath commandment Exo 20:8-11 and pointed back to Creation Exo20:11, because it is and always will be God perfect plan for mankind. Why we are told to get back and worship this God Rev 14:7 in the last days.

I won't continue debating this, the Scriptures are too clear, but wish you well.

I appreciate that humans are steadfast in their religious understanding, and that many do not wish to discuss them in consideration of ALL that is written. And I too do not believe God makes mistakes. And therefore you are free to disregard my reply. And I wish you well also.

But for those reading along, it seems prudent to point out that the God, "of the Bible", who created the Holy Sabbaths, is said to know the end from the beginning. And it is also taught in the same Holy Scriptures that the Jesus of the bible, "was slain from the foundation of the World". The implication that God didn't know men would disobey Him when HE created them, or that HE didn't know later, when HE created His Holy Sabbath "For man", that men would Sin and need Salvation, is certainly worthy of discernment or at least caution.

In like manner, the teaching that God didn't know that satan, who HE placed in the Garden, would deceive Eve when HE placed him there. And the teaching that when God created His Holy Sabbath "for man", HE didn't know Adam and Eve would need Mercy and Salvation, is just a bridge to far for me.

At the very least, these teachings are worthy of caution, which is in line with the instructions of Paul to "Beware of the Philosophies and traditions of men", spoken of in Col. 2, and also in line with Paul's instruction to "Prove all things" and "Test the spirits".

Lastly, it seems also prudent to point out that in Col. 2, Paul doesn't distinguish between the Sabbaths of God at all.

"Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:

There are Holy Days that are not Sabbaths, like Passover, and 5 days of the 7 days of Unleavened bread. There are also "New Moons" that are neither Holy Days, nor Sabbaths. But all Sabbaths are Holy Days.

In like manner, God Himself didn't distinguish between His Holy Sabbaths in Lev. 23. Clearly combining His weekly Sabbath with the same importance as the First Day of Unleavened Bread. And all Expressed by God as follows.

Lev. 23: 1 And "the LORD spake" unto Moses, saying, (I believe this was the Christ, the Holy One of Israel)

2 Speak unto the children of Israel, and say unto them, Concerning the feasts "of the LORD", which ye shall proclaim to be holy convocations, even these are my feasts.

3 Six days shall work be done: but the seventh day is the sabbath of rest, an "holy convocation"; ye shall do no work therein: it is the sabbath of the LORD in all your dwellings.

4 These are the feasts of the LORD, even "holy convocations", which ye shall proclaim in their seasons.

6 And on the fifteenth day of the same month is the feast of unleavened bread unto the LORD: seven days ye must eat unleavened bread.

7 In the first day ye shall have an "holy convocation": ye shall do no servile work therein.

44 And Moses declared unto the children of Israel the "feasts of the LORD".

So as can be clearly seen, neither Paul nor God distinguished between the Sabbaths, nor did HE esteem one Sabbath Day above another.

And because Paul called them all "Shadows of things yet to Come", I find no evidence in Scriptures which contradicts Paul, to imply that "some" of God's Sabbaths are NOT shadows of things yet to come.

Given all the warnings about false teachings, philosophies of men, deceivers who come in Christ's Name, etc., it seems prudent to consider all these Inspired Words of God before adopting any philosophy.

And what better way to discern these things than to discuss among the brethren, what is actually written in scriptures?

sjastro · Oct 25, 2025

David Hine7 said:
Your maths are wrong because it's based on pure guesswork, wishful thinking and hearsay. Were you there when God Created the universe?? it's not even your poor false guesswork, as it looks like you copied that tosh from Wikipedia. There is no way anyone knows the age of the universe. It also looks ever more likely that Ho at 71 is tied numerically to C, otherwise the universe (controlled by God's laws) would never have distributed the stars evenly to appear similar which ever which way you point your telescope. Isaiah Ch 40 tells us "God stretches the skies", so Edwin Hubble was NOT the first to know of expansion. Why are you so terrified that God Created the universe and the maths laws that control it?? .

Stop making ignorant comments when the mathematics is clearly beyond your capacity of comprehension given you do not even have a basic understanding of how physical units apply.
The mathematics quoted is taught at honours level applied mathematics and @Hans Blaster can fill you in at what level in physics.

The nonsensical argument of not being there is revealed in all its glory when applied to history.
Do you reject all history because you were not there?

Reginald Taylor Jr · Oct 25, 2025

David Lamb said:
Sorry Reginald, but what does: " after 3 days being Supreme God to all." mean? Jesus Christ is eternally God, according to John 1:1-3. He didn't just become supreme God for the three days between the crucifixion and the resurrection.

Supreme God , -Ruler giving justification ,victory

timothyu · Oct 25, 2025

timf said:
This is because the world system (which is run by Satan (Eph 2:2)) is hostile to Christianity.

I personally would say hostile to those that put the will of God ahead of the will of both elohim and fellow man.

Yarddog · Oct 25, 2025

rjs330 said:
Exercising constitutional authority is not facist no matter how you wish to spin it.

That's true but that isn't what Trump has done. He was ordered to stop deporting immigrants, illegally but he refused. He violates the Constitution regularly.

rjs330 said:
What laws has he ignored?

Due process. He is killing boaters without proof trying to stop them or giving them the opportunity to surrender, which is murder

rjs330 said:
His enemies have tried to jail him.

They haven't tried to jail him. He was prosecuted for crimes and if the punishment was jail, then so be it

rjs330 said:
Yet you didnt call them facists.

They were legitimate prosecutions.

rjs330 said:
Hypocritical arguments won't be accepted as evidence of facism.

I've offered no hypocrisy.

timothyu · Oct 25, 2025

Being under the laws of the rabbis did not bring about the Kingdom, it was made available to us by the grace of God, for simply following His will, not our own. His will is his Kingdom. You are right to the extent that following His will does not require an institutional church governed by man, but is simply a way of life that runs contrary to the traditional self-serving will of mankind.

DaisyDay · Oct 25, 2025

Oompa Loompa said:
Nope.

Nope. As far as I know. It was swept under the rug with Bengazi.

Obama’s Final Drone Strike Data

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Hazelelponi · Oct 25, 2025

bèlla said:
You believe in Trump and have chosen to support him.

What on earth do you mean by "believe in" Trump?

I "believe" in Christ.

I know based on physical evidence that there is a physical human being named Donald Trump and he ran a political campaign in 2024 and won his bid for the presidency.

I, like 1/2 of voting Americans chose to vote for Donald Trump, because they believed that his proposed policy platform was a positive direction for the country.

bèlla said:
If he isn’t addressing a fallout why would you be concerned? It doesn’t matter what I know. I don’t have a pressing desire to save his supporters from themselves. And given the policies they’ve okayed that transgress the Lord’s teachings on the poor, widows, and orphans. Why should wickedness be reprieved?

~bella

No republican is transgressing against the poor and widows. That's a ridiculous accusation that is without any merit whatever.

Its the Democrats over there making Americans suffer intentionally because they think it's good political leverage.

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Yarddog · Oct 25, 2025

rjs330 said:
No he hasn't.

Incorrect.

rjs330 said:
He was prosecuted by his enemies and no called rhem facists.

He was prosecuted for crimes by legitimate prosecutors. Prosecuting criminals doesn't make one a fascist.

rjs330 said:
Its called fair justice.

Not when done only to avenge legitimate crimes. Only John Bolton, a Trump man, looks like a legitimate case.

rjs330 said:
If you arw going to prosecute someone for doing the same thing you are doing then you deserve to be prosecuted as well. That's called justice.

It's justice when there are legitimate crimes but Trump demanded his enemies be prosecuted, even though career prosecutors said no crime was found. Trump had them fired and installed his own corrupt lawyers to do the dirty work.

rjs330 said:
Killing people?

Yes, murdering people.

rjs330 said:
You are going to have to be more specific than that.

He has ordered boats to be destroyed with no proof of a crime, which is illegal. That is murder.

NxNW · Oct 25, 2025

Chesterton said:
One truck. One 71 year old man. No known political affiliation, and no known participation at the capitol.

No, the Oath Keepers had an arsenal at the ready, which they called "2A gear", like it was a secret code for morons.

Tuur · Oct 25, 2025

Trogdor the Burninator said:
Why Americans don't riot over healthcare costs is beyond my reasoning.

Know someone, an American retiree, who had a leg wound that quickly went bad. After a nurse happened to see it, he was in a specialist's office the next day, and surgery the next or the day after.

Three times my father, a farmer and blue-collar worker, was found with a life-threatening condition, and each time he had specialist help right then or the day after.

My serious question for those who are on health care in other countries: How long would the retiree I know and my father would have had to wait to see a specialist?

tdidymas · Oct 25, 2025

FutureAndAHope said:
I have cut the following from my website to save time:

OSAS and Lawlessness
Now let’s move to the issue of preservation of salvation. The acronym OSAS stands for Once Saved Always Saved. It is the logical conclusion of accepting Predestination. If God fixes destinies, if I am saved now, then I will always remain saved. The thinking that I will be saved no matter what can lead to (although not always) the thought that it does not matter if I sin, which in turn can lead to lawlessness, even a falling away from Christ.

To counter the thought of OSAS we will show from scripture that people can lose their salvation after receiving it.

For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted the heavenly gift, and have become partakers of the Holy Spirit, and have tasted the good word of God and the powers of the age to come, if they fall away, to renew them again to repentance, since they crucify again for themselves the Son of God, and put Him to an open shame. (NKJV, Hebrews 6:4-6)

The first passage shows us clearly, that people who were “once enlightened” - given sight by God, “have tasted the heavenly gift” and have even “become partakers of the Holy Spirit”, can fall away from God, and if they die in sin, will be crucifying Christ again.

Nowhere in this description does it say that such a person was born of God. In fact, it's the ideal description of Judas Iscariot, whom Jesus called "a devil" and "the son of perdition." But notice in v. 9 he says he believes "better things" concerning them, regarding their salvation. So then, the "better things" are obviously better than any of the things listed in v. 4-6. Salvation is that "better thing," meaning they are born of God who fears God and trusts the work of Jesus.

FutureAndAHope said:
For if, after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, they are again entangled in them and overcome, the latter end is worse for them than the beginning. For it would have been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than having known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered to them. But it has happened to them according to the true proverb: “A DOG RETURNS TO HIS OWN VOMIT,” and, “a sow, having washed, to her wallowing in the mire.” (NKJV, 2 Peter 2:20-22)

Peter also shows this same fact, that people who have escaped the pollution of the world can again be entangled in them and lost.

Those going to church may have escaped corruption of the world, but doesn't guarantee they are born again. Even religious Jews escape the corruption of the world, and monks of the ages. It doesn't guarantee they are born again. Jesus said, "not everyone who calls Me 'Lord' will enter the kingdom of heaven," which shows that some people calling themselves 'Christian' are not born again. I have heard people who appeared to repent and follow Jesus later say "it didn't work for me," which shows that they never did believe in the healing power of Christ.

In this section, Peter is talking about false teachers who got to know religious jargon and acted out the faith in some way, but turned back to their sinful nature to indulge in it. If they had been born again, they would not have been false teachers (teaching wrong doctrine) and giving in to their fleshly passions. If the Holy Spirit dwells in the believer, this person will actually follow Christ because this person actually believes in Him. Thus, John says, "they went out from us to show they did not belong to us," meaning those falling away were never believers. If someone claims to believe, it doesn't make them a true believer, according to James ch. 2.

FutureAndAHope said:
For if we sin willfully after we have received the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins, but a certain fearful expectation of judgment, and fiery indignation which will devour the adversaries. Anyone who has rejected Moses’ law dies without mercy on the testimony of two or three witnesses. Of how much worse punishment, do you suppose, will he be thought worthy who has trampled the Son of God underfoot, counted the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified a common thing, and insulted the Spirit of grace? (Heb 10:26-29)

Hebrews states that there is a worse punishment for those who fell away knowing Christ.

The willful sin he is talking about is rejecting the work of the Messiah, to go back to animal sacrifices and religious rituals for God's acceptance. "They did not enter [sabbath rest] because of their unbelief." Since Jesus is the ultimate sacrifice for sins, to reject His sacrifice out of unbelief is to expect the fiery judgment of God, because there is no other sacrifice that can atone for sin. Therefore, to reject Jesus' sacrificial work is to "trample the Son of God underfoot, count the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified a common thing, and insult the Spirit of grace." With all the evidence presented, then, to reject Christ's work as sufficient to redeem, is the ultimate sin, calling God a liar. This is the sin that the writer of Hebrews is talking about.

FutureAndAHope said:
Even Jesus Himself spoke of casting away people who draw away from Him.

So then, because you are lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will vomit you out of My mouth. (Rev 3:16)

Remember therefore from where you have fallen; repent and do the first works, or else I will come to you quickly and remove your lampstand from its place—unless you repent. (Rev 2:5)

Lampstands in scripture refer to the Holy Spirit; so Revelation 2:5 is a very severe warning, if as a Christian we go back to sin, and don't repent, God will remove the Spirit from us.

No, the lampstands are the churches - see Rev. 1:20, it's defined clearly.

FutureAndAHope said:
So from the scriptures, we can see that OSAS is not logical.

Quoted from The Way and Freewill

OSAS is not logical for someone who doesn't know how to correctly interpret scripture. Peter wrote, we "are kept by the power of God for salvation..." - so the one who doesn't believe they are kept by the power of God will not experience the OSAS peace.

NxNW · Oct 25, 2025

HARK! said:
What is the value of a stock, that isn't backed by any tangible asset,

Can you give me an example of such a stock? Something in the S&P 500, maybe?

HARK! said:
What is the value of a bond; when the issuer defaults on it?

That's why they have ratings, which admittedly aren't perfect, but they are a good indicator of which ones to avoid. Especially if you buy the entire market via an index fund.

HARK! said:
Did you know that the banks are currently upside down on many of the bonds that they are holding?

I guess they need to fire their bond managers!

Robban · Oct 25, 2025

Chesterton said:
Why do you care who's president of Ireland?

She is anti for all the right reasons, though even if limited to a certain degree, she won a landslide.

My mother of blessed memory spoke often of where she was born, she never got to see it again this side of life,

But now I would think her dreams have come true..

Listen carefully to the text of the song.

Tuur · Oct 25, 2025

Desk trauma said:
Nothing to get in a twist over, that better cheaper thing that’s going to replace the ACA is due any two weeks from now.

It's better than the Canadian MAID system. Just saying...

JSRG · Oct 25, 2025

HARK! said:
View attachment 372084

So this (presumably AI summary?) admits "is not attributed to a specific work or speech" and "Voltaire's exact writings may not pinpoint a specific document for this quote".

In other words, your own source is saying that it doesn't seem to be an actual quote of Voltaire. Are you therefore admitting that the quote you offered is a false one?

Tuur · Oct 25, 2025

RileyG said:
Things change with the times! Color me surprised! Not saying I’m thrilled about the east wing being completely gutted, but nothing remains forever!

After I moved away, trips home were bittersweet because I'd notices changes. Buildings I had been in were no more; fields had become timberland; the things that usually change with time. Then I realized that it wasn't the buildings and fields I was nostalgic for, but the time I remembered, and that time was gone, never to return.

David Hine7 · Oct 25, 2025

Your maths are wrong because it's based on pure guesswork, wishful thinking and hearsay. Were you there when God Created the universe?? it's not even your poor false guesswork, as it looks like you copied that tosh from Wikipedia. There is no way anyone knows the age of the universe. It also looks ever more likely that Ho at 71 is tied numerically to C, otherwise the universe (controlled by God's laws) would never have distributed the stars evenly to appear similar which ever which way you point your telescope. Isaiah Ch 40 tells us "God stretches the skies", so Edwin Hubble was NOT the first to know of expansion. Why are you so terrified that God Created the universe and the maths laws that control it?? .

eclipsenow · Oct 25, 2025

sjastro said:
According to the psychologists the tendency to oppose or reject things one does not understand is often linked to several overlapping concepts.

(1) Cognitive Dissonance: This refers to the mental discomfort experienced when holding two conflicting beliefs or encountering information that contradicts existing beliefs. People may reject unfamiliar ideas to reduce this discomfort.

(2) Ambivalence: A state of having mixed or contradictory feelings toward something. While not exactly opposition, ambivalence can lead to indecision or resistance when faced with unfamiliar concepts.

(3) Reactance: A motivational reaction to offers, persons, rules, or regulations that threaten or eliminate specific behavioral freedoms. People may oppose unfamiliar ideas simply because they feel their autonomy is being challenged.

(4) Confirmation Bias: The tendency to favor information that confirms existing beliefs and ignore or reject contradictory evidence. This can lead to opposition toward unfamiliar or complex ideas.

(5) Epistemic Closure: A term used in political psychology to describe when individuals reject new information that conflicts with their worldview, effectively "closing off" their belief system.

(6) The Dunning-Kruger Effect: A cognitive bias where individuals with low ability at a task overestimate their ability. This can manifest as confident rejection of complex or unfamiliar ideas due to a lack of understanding.

I hear you. We can probably amalgamate them into the following acronym that I'll pick for no particular reason: MAGA

M – Motivated Reasoning
Combines cognitive dissonance and confirmation bias. People interpret information in ways that protect their identity or prior beliefs.

A – Arrogant Ignorance
Captures the Dunning–Kruger effect — confidently rejecting expertise while lacking real understanding.

G – Groupthink
A form of epistemic closure, where belonging to an ideological tribe discourages dissent or independent thinking.

A – Avoidance of Dissonance
Returning to cognitive dissonance, this describes the active resistance to evidence that threatens one’s worldview.

Trogdor the Burninator · Oct 25, 2025

FreeinChrist said:
It is Open Enrollment time so people are seeing what their premiums will be. My Medicare Advantage plan premium has doubled, but since I get what Arizona elected officials/ former elected officials on medicare get, it is not bad.

But wow, for those who are not on Medicare, and have a family of three or more, the monthly cost is $1,848.00 per month! This is the amount for those in the Arizona schools systems, universities and colleges, work in the state prisons, and elected officials and I think the Department of Public Safety officers (like state police) will have to pay for medical insurance.

A single teacher, who may only make $50,000 a year, will have to pay at least $660/month for the 'economy' plan.

But hey, Trump is building a ballroom! It is his number one priority per Karoline Leavitt.

Meanwhile a friend of mine is waiting to go for heart surgery. He's a regular guy with an ordinary job - so I don't know his exact income, but I'd guess he pays around $1,500 per year medicare levy.

Total cost for heart surgery, recovery for at least a week in hospital, plus therapy for 2-3 months afterwards = $0, though he'd have to pay for some medications (subsidised via PBS) so maybe $100 or so over the entire period.

Why Americans don't riot over healthcare costs is beyond my reasoning.

Chesterton · Oct 25, 2025

Robban said:
Fourleafl leaf klover.

Catherine Connolly from Galway elected as new president of Ireland,

There you go mother dear,

a breath of fresh air.

Why do you care who's president of Ireland?

Carl Emerson · Oct 25, 2025

Daniel Martinovich said:
Well, I have certainly seen that. But if it were my business witnessing to Jews or Muslims. I would not lead off wearing a cross.

Agreed - I didn't - but I witnessed it when others did.

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