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Larniavc · Oct 25, 2025

YeshuaFan said:
As I like both of those series?

I like them both, too. I wax and wane how much I like them over the years but I’m definitely a fan.

rjs330 · Oct 25, 2025

iluvatar5150 said:
That's nice, but that's not what you were arguing about. The current exemptions on the estate tax leave more than enough for any one heir to be set for life without paying a penny. If you're hitting the estate tax, you're either leaving behind a business with a fair amount of assets or you're leaving wealth that would put you in the top 1-2% of Americans.

Another principle you find in the Bible is to render unto ceasar what's ceasar's.

Thats inly if Ceaser demands it. In the country we get to vote for our ceaser representatives and let our desires be known. And many of us don't think ceaser deserves more money from us. No matter how much we make.

David Lamb · Oct 25, 2025

Aussie Pete said:
Just to clarify, I am a subscriber to the pre Adamic creation theory. I expect you know what that is, but for anyone else: The word "was" can readily be translated "became". So some, including me, believe that the creation in Genesis was a restoration of what was destroyed by a universal flood. That flood was the judgement that was the consequence of Satan's fall from heaven.

"For thus says the LORD, who created the heavens (he is God!), who formed the earth and made it (he established it; he did not create it empty, he formed it to be inhabited!): “I am the LORD, and there is no other." Isaiah 45:18

So it seems to some that God did not create the earth covered in water. A water covered earth is not what I would call habitable.

Larry Ollison goes into this in some depth. Watchman Nee and others also were proponents.

Thanks for explaining that. The only pre-Adamic creation I believe in is the creation of the heavens and the earth, plant life, animals, fish, birds, sun, moon and stars, which were all created before Adam, as Genesis says. The bible refers to Adam as the first man:

“And so it is written, “The first man Adam became a living being.” The last Adam became a life-giving spirit.” (1Co 15:45 NKJV)

So I don't believe there were humans created before Adam.

Larniavc · Oct 25, 2025

Chesterton said:
You'd go to the police because you don't feel safe, right?

No. I’d go because of the actionable threat.

David Lamb · Oct 25, 2025

Reginald Taylor Jr said:
John 14:6 KJV
[6] Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

Jesus Christ died on the cross and raised from the dead after 3 days being Supreme God to all.

Sorry Reginald, but what does: " after 3 days being Supreme God to all." mean? Jesus Christ is eternally God, according to John 1:1-3. He didn't just become supreme God for the three days between the crucifixion and the resurrection.

childeye 2 · Oct 25, 2025

CoreyD said:
God knew what was in Eve's heart, before she went near the tree.

God knows everybody's heart. She probably walked by that tree every day.

CoreyD said:
To think About...
Why did Eve not tell Adam anything, if she did not want to act on her own desires?

This makes no sense. The serpent's words created the desire. Why would we think she wouldn't want to act on them? The question sounds like the attitude of the other son who stayed with the Father in the story of the prodigal son.

CoreyD said:
Adam was her head... was he not? If she is so innocent, why is she not submissive to her head, but listens to a serpent who tells her to disobey something that her husband told her, or that God repeated in their presence?

I like this question. First off innocence means ignorance of the knowledge of good/evil. So until she eats, she is ignorant of that knowledge.

Why is she not submissive to Adam? We don't know. My personal opinion is that Adam told her what God had told him, and that's why we see her saying she's not supposed to even touch it lest they die. God never said that to Adam. Maybe she touched it and nothing happened, so she began to wonder if Adam knew what he was talking about. We can't be sure. But we can be sure that the serpent talked as if he knew all about God and gods better than they did.

CoreyD said:
Questions we can ask ourselves, lest we forget that unless we have all the facts, forming opinions can lead to wrong conclusions.
The serpent did not give Eve life. She came from Adam's rib, and Adam knew this, and no doubt, like we would, told her about this and the other magnificent things her maker did.
Why did she disobey God - her creator (not a serpent), if she did not want to?

We've all done it in our own way, so why did we do that? I didn't exactly want to disobey God, but I did. We're going to be judged by what measure we judge others, so we'd better start forgiving and showing mercy and understanding instead of accusing and incriminating.

I asked the Holy Spirit about that. He said that everyone who has love in their heart comes to sincerely regret bad things they do once they see the suffering they caused others. A true repentance is a godly sorrow that sees that had they known then what they do now, they would not have done it in the first place.

I'm sure God sees some people who are sorry because they got kicked out of paradise, and he sees some people who are sorry they ever hurt God by not believing Him. These two wills think and speak differently.

CoreyD said:
He caused her...? Do you mean, as in, "The Devil made me do it"?

I mean the devil began the chain of events.

CoreyD said:
You appear to be saying the woman did not have a choice in the matter, and could not exercise her freedom of choice... she had none.
Is that what you are saying?

The scripture is saying she was deceived into doing it. You know that don't you? It's not like she would volunteer to be deceived. Did you know that Jesus came down to destroy the works of the devil?

CoreyD said:
Are you saying the knowledge of good and evil was in the fruit, and when they ate it, that knowledge gave them an ability?

I'm saying that's what I see scripture is saying.

CoreyD said:
So, when God said, “From any tree of the garden you may freely eat; but from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil you shall not eat, for on the day that you eat from it you will certainly die.”
You are saying Adam did not have a choice to eat from all the other trees instead of that one God commanded him not to. Is that correct?

That's not what I'm saying. Here is what I want you to get in bold

childeye 2 said:
Let me say it this way: The Satan is the one that conveyed we have the choice/option to disobey God and not die. The Satan conveyed we could choose to eat. The Satan conveyed that God was lying to mankind.

Therefore --> I don't believe the capacity to disobey God is a valid freedom because it's based on a corrupt image of god.

CoreyD said:
Cool.
That sounds like something I can agree with.
In other words, Satan introduce the idea of independence from God...

Yes, exactly. But not only that. He planted a false image of God that is a tyrant Boss, in the psyche. A self-serving Boss who would sacrifice all those beneath him to preserve his status over them.

It's all in this one line --> And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die: For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.

That's why the Christ Image comes as a lowly servant who sacrifices himself to save all others; to destroy the false image planted by Satan. And this is the power of revelation in the Gospel. The god of this world is Satan's false image of God, and his children are sired through that false image.

2 Corinthians 4:3-5
3 But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost:

4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

5 For we preach not ourselves, but Christ Jesus the Lord; and ourselves your servants for Jesus' sake

2 Corinthians 4:6
For God, who commanded the light to shine out of darkness, hath shined in our hearts, to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ.

CoreyD said:
Could Eve had decided otherwise?

No, she didn't see through the lie, just like people still don't.

CoreyD said:
"the capacity to disobey God is a valid freedom"?
Could you please rephrase that. I'm not making sense of it.
Do you mean man is free to disobey God, and so that is freedom?

No, I DON'T BELIEVE the capacity to disobey God is a valid freedom --> because it's based on a corrupt image of god that the serpent/the devil corrupted the mind with.

CoreyD said:
A realization. Thank you.
A realization of what?

A realization that they were naked.

Dan1988 · Oct 25, 2025

BNR32FAN said:
No I don’t believe that at all because then the requirement is circular and doesn’t make any sense. Jesus calls people to repent and believe in order to be saved yet in your theology people can only comply if God has chosen them and they can’t do otherwise and those whom God has not chosen can’t comply. So why tell people to do something that they both cant comply with and can’t refuse to comply with?

It's OK to admit you don't understand Gods ways, you're in good company I don't understand His ways either.

You do know that God is a mystery, and you will never ever find out why He does what he does or how He does it.

Don't stress over it, God told us that we will never understand Him.

Isaiah 55:8-9 For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, declares the Lord. For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways and my thoughts than your thoughts

Romans 11:33 Oh, the depth of the riches and wisdom and knowledge of God! How unsearchable are his judgments and how inscrutable his ways!

Isaiah 40:28 Have you not known? Have you not heard? The Lord is the everlasting God, the Creator of the ends of the earth. He does not faint or grow weary; his understanding is unsearchable.

eclipsenow · Oct 25, 2025

Oh no! I can see where all of this is heading!

"That's no ballroom!"

David Lamb · Oct 25, 2025

Apple Sky said:
As @prodromos would have us believe

But it is true, as you have been told many times, that such sports fields are not flat. Anyway, if the earth were flat, why do the feet disappear first, then the legs and then the thighs? Why doesn't the whole man just appear to get smaller and smaller, the further he goes from the camera?

eclipsenow · Oct 25, 2025

PloverWing said:
since the days of the 23-foot scarf.

Wow - back in the day. I was a kid - and that show was SCARY back then!
The Planet of the Spiders! My word.

But now think what kids are watching. Harry Potter had Aragog - and the whole giant spider chase thing! On the big screen you can't get away - I was fairly creeped out - but as they say in the Simpsons - "Won't someone think of the children!"

Dan1988 · Oct 25, 2025

BNR32FAN said:
Again you’re ignoring verse 4 where He says “abide in Me”. That is a commandment.

“Abide in Me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself unless it abides in the vine, so neither can you unless you abide in Me.”
‭‭John‬ ‭15‬:‭4‬ ‭NASB1995‬‬

Are you saying that abiding in Christ is optional? Do you know what the word abide means?

This is what happens when you pluck verses of scripture out of their intended context.

You failed to take into consideration, who John 15:4 was spoken to. I assume you don't know, so let me help you with that, it was Jesus speaking to saved people. He was promising that they would bare fruit if they abide in Him, and He makes it clear that He is the One by whom they bare fruit.

There's no way Jesus would command unbelievers (the reprobate) to abide in Him and bare fruit, that would be a silly commandment, because Jesus knows that unbelievers hate Him, so why would He command His haters to abide in Him.

sjastro · Oct 25, 2025

stevevw said:
Ah ha, the reality is coming through. Yes they look very crisp and fine detailed and sharp. Rather than the weathers, granulated and rough finishes of grinding and abrasing stone. Like they have been cleanly sliced with defined edges and cut in one pass. Rather than 1,000s of tiny back and forth grounding out.

So now your questioning their age because they look different to whats expected. Your working your way towards they must be modern forgeries I think. They may be. But at least admit they look different to what we would expect.

What are the image scales?

sjastro · Oct 25, 2025

stevevw said:
The logical fallacies keep coming lol.

If he is an expert on ancient Egyptian stonework who taught him, was the training done by seance?

Dan1988 · Oct 25, 2025

BNR32FAN said:
Ok so here’s exactly what you said.

So you did in fact say that the word “comes” in John 6:37 isn’t in the present tense because God chose the elect before creation which is implying that people come to Christ either at birth or before creation. And I showed on screen copied and pasted directly from Biblehub.com the definition of the Greek word Erchomahai that is translated to the word “comes” at 1 minute 8 seconds into the video. And even after I pointed that out in this reply to you, you still didn’t have the humility to admit it.

I'm not sure what your issue is with the words "come" and "comes". There is nothing mystical or complicated about the words or the verse.

I think you failed to connect the dots in the verse, where Jesus describes the same event from two different perspectives of time. He is talking a bout a set number of Gods Elect, each ones name is written in Gods Book of life. In the first part of the verse Jesus is confirming that every one of the elect will come to Him.
And the one who comes to Me (present tense) He will by no means cast out, because Jesus is not in the business of casting out the elect of God.

Dan1988 · Oct 25, 2025

Studyman said:
That's not a very nice thing to say. In Jesus Time, the "main stream church" was the Pharisees. They had taken over the City of David, and Solomons Temple. They "professed to know God", claiming to be part of God's Church AKA, "Abraham's Children". Jesus Himself said they were "children of the devil". Lots of people chose to listen to them, rather than God's Word and as a result, they were deceived into joining with them with their man made shrines of worship, and their man made high days and man made judgments and Alms and prayers to be seen of men. True believers did not join with them, but to deny such a church exists, filled with "many" who call Jesus Lord, Lord, is a rejection of the Christ Himself. That is, the Jesus "of the bible".

Where does the tradition that all humans live for eternity come from? As I and others have tried to show from scriptures and discussions, it's a religious philosophy wrought in man, not God. Jude explains how this evil infects God's church.

Jude 1: 3 Beloved, when I gave all diligence to write unto you of the common salvation, it was needful for me to write unto you, and exhort you that ye should earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints. (Law and Prophests) 4 For there "are certain men crept in unawares", who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.

10 But these speak evil "of those things which they know not": but what they know naturally, as brute beasts, in those things they corrupt themselves. 11 Woe unto them! for they have gone in the way of Cain, and ran greedily after the error of Balaam for reward, and perished in the gainsaying of Core. 12 These are spots "in your feasts of charity", when they feast with you, feeding themselves without fear: clouds they are without water, carried about of winds; trees whose fruit withereth, without fruit, twice dead, plucked up by the roots; 13 Raging waves of the sea, foaming out their own shame; wandering stars, to whom is reserved the blackness of darkness for ever.

Paul speaks about this very thing as well.

2nd Corinthians 11: 12 But what I do, that I will do, that I may cut off occasion from them which desire occasion; that wherein they glory, "they may be found even as we". 13 For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, "transforming themselves" into the apostles of Christ. 14 And no marvel; "for Satan himself" is transformed into an angel of light. (Wolf in sheep's clothing) 15 Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed "as the ministers of righteousness"; whose end shall be according to their works.

And what is the doctrine that was promoted by satan in his very first recorded sermon? "Thou shall surely not die". You can find this Truth in the Holy Bible.

They are not part of the Body. You must make up stuff about others to satisfy a fleshy lust, as if I said or even implied that the devil is part of the Body of Christ. But Jesus, when asked about these times, HE didn't warn about Islam or Atheists. Please try and listen to the Jesus "of the bible" and here who HE warned about.

Matt. 24: 3 And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?

4 And Jesus answered and said unto them, "Take heed" that no man "deceive you". 5 For "many" shall come "in my name", saying, I (Jesus) am Christ; and "shall deceive" many.

As you can see, Jesus' greatest fear for His People, was not Atheism or Islam or Buddha. His Greatest fear for His People was that they would be deceived by the "Many" who come in Christ's Name.

He warns again in Matt. 7:22 of "Many" self proclaimed "Christians", who work iniquity while claiming to be a member of the Body of Christ, calling HIM Lord, Lord.

The Law and Prophets prophesy and warn of this very thing over and over and over and over. But these men, "who professed to know God" wouldn't listen.

I advocate that men listen to HIM, not the popular religions of this world God placed us in, whose philosophies you are promoting.

And yet you are promoting the popular but false teaching that humans live forever. All I have advocated for is that a person consider "ALL" that is written, knowing that God's word doesn't contradict itself. And for that you judge me as believing the devil is part of the Body of Christ.

Perhaps you might step back a little and clean up your own house first, before making such judgments about others.

Something to think about.

I'm sorry you feel the need to slander me in such a way. But Jesus did warn me that if I followed Him, it wouldn't be the drunkards and atheists that will ridicule and slander me, but men of my own household who call Jesus Lord, Lord.

The only reason I disagree with everything you believe is, because you contradict everything God has said. You have consistently presented unbiblical doctrines as truth and when I show you that Gods Word contradicts your word. You simply ignore it and talk about other unrelated subjects.

You don't even know what life and death mean in the Bible, you are using carnal secular reasoning and philosophies and applying them to Gods Word. That might work for you, when your speaking with those who don't know the truth, but you're speaking to an Elect Saint of God here. Jesus told us not to have any fear, because it's impossible to deceive us. But your denomination is built on fear of the enemy.

We don't fear the enemy because the enemy is dead to us, the Devil is a dead dog, who is powerless against us.

d taylor · Oct 25, 2025

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Just a few Facts from science, that have no Biblical support.

1. the earth is a globe
2. the earth moves and rotates
3. outer space exist
4. that planets exist
5. the earth is billions of years old
6. evolution brought everything into existence human origins and the universe
7. stars are suns and that there is more than one sun
8. new stars are being formed and old stars are dying
9. the moon reflects the suns light

stevevw · Oct 25, 2025

christianlloydteegardin said:
I have always struggled with the concept of philosophy being an intellectually arrogant pursuit. Then I got to thinking. What are some good Christian philosophers who use their gift of intelligence to further God's truth and wisdom?

I find Dr John Lennox pretty good at explaining biblical truth and applying them to real life. Many say C.S Lewis.

Weirdly enough I like Jordan Peterson's psychological explanations of the bible truths even though theres questions about his Christianity.

He mentions that all literature throughout time, the great philosophers and canons of western thought are all trying to get to the truth. But the bible was the original truth and first book that all truths stem from. The precondition for truth itself. Quite an expansive view but very true.

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But choose wisely. You don't have to support the entire philsophy of any specific author. Just pull out what you think makes sense as per the bible. I think Peterson gives more an overview and perspective of Christian belief as a human enterprise. Which can help get different perspectives.

I think its important to know all perspectives so that it can show the bible and its truth in light of other ideas and philosophies. Like Peterson mentions that we can sample texts from the corpus of all texts to get different views on what truth is. Or what its all about.

But in doing so we begin to see a pattern that traces back to the bible which is the precondition of truth. Without it all other philsophy would not make sense.

Apple Sky · Oct 25, 2025

David Lamb said:
Isn't Dean Odle the one who posted a video of a man disappearing, feet first, then lower legs, then thighs, as he walked away from the camera on what he claimed was a flat sports field, but which actually was laid out with a "crown" towards the centre, to prevent flooding?

As @prodromos would have us believe

Dan1988 · Oct 25, 2025

BNR32FAN said:
So we’re saved by grace apart from faith? Why didn’t you quote the rest of the verse? I’ll tell you why because you don’t care about the truth of God’s word you’re only here to insult and badmouth people who are actually trying to help you by quoting the scriptures but you don’t care what the scriptures actually say, you care more about your precious doctrines than the word of God.

My bible tells me that I am saved by grace, so that's what I believe. You don't believe it because your denomination doesn't believe it. I mean why else would you reject what Gods has said.

In any case why do you refuse to reveal where faith comes from, let me guess your teacher told you that everyone conjures up their own.

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