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Morality without Absolute Morality

What a ridiculous thing to say. If you give your personal answer then how in heaven's name can it be absolute? It will be your personal opinion. Every answer that you give, every line that you write, every statement that you make, every belief that you have, every position that you take - it's you doing it every time. You are the one that us responsible for every post that you make. You make them putting forward your own ideas.
You asked about the "right answer", which seems to imply that you think there is a correct answer to your question and it isn't just arbitrary feelings.
You've painted yourself into such a tiny little corner insisting that there's no relative morality that you've got to the point where you are incapable of answering simple questions. You'll dance around them, you'll deflect, you'll do anything but give a simple answer. Because you know exactly what would then happen.
Relative morality is no morality at all. It's not my corner, it's you trying to have your cake and eat it too.
You'll be found out.
Found out? In what respect?
The main issue is that answers that you give to questions will ones that you have determined to be correct. You don't want to do that so it has rendered you incapable of answering anything.
Your questions are nothing but a distraction, so I've given them the answers that such distractions are due. God said it, good enough for me.
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Fact-checking Trump's 60 minutes interview

Democratic Republic of the Congo — Rwanda (Washington Accord)
  • Date: 27 June 2025 (signed in Washington, D.C.)
  • What: U.S.-brokered peace agreement intended to end fighting in eastern DRC, including a pledge for Rwandan troop withdrawal and security arrangements; signed in Washington.
  • Status: Signed; widely reported by Reuters, AP and the U.S. State Department. State Department+2Reuters+2

The Associated Press previously fact-checked Trump’s claim and found the war far from over.It was just a cease-fire and that did not hold:
I am debunking.

Compare sources - Mine - the State Department, Rueters etc - yours - well.... left wing media at best.

Here is the Actual wording of the Peace Agreement

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The Thing Most Sabbath Keepers Do not Talk About.

Can you show me where Paul, as a Pharisee, was obedient to God's Laws?

Phil 3:2 Beware of the dogs, beware of the evil workers, beware of the false circumcision;
3 for we are the true circumcision, who worship in the Spirit of God and take pride in Christ Jesus, and put no confidence in the flesh,
4 although I myself could boast as having confidence even in the flesh. If anyone else thinks he is confident in the flesh, I have more reason:
5 circumcised the eighth day, of the nation of Israel, of the tribe of Benjamin, a Hebrew of Hebrews; as to the Law, a Pharisee;
6 as to zeal, a persecutor of the church; as to the righteousness which is in the Law, found blameless.
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Lauren Boebert’s Halloween Costume


Lauren as a Mexican and her bf as an ICE agent, plus this gem:


A chalkboard sign that appeared in other photos from a separate public event the couple attended the same night which are widely circulating online was slung on the back of a chair and is out of the frame in the pictures, according to a party guest who spoke to ABC News.

The text on the sign, which appears to be joke mocking the pronunciation of "you see" said "Mexican Word of the day: JUICY. Tell me if Juicy Ice coming."​

Israeli doctor says detained Palestinians are undergoing ‘routine’ amputations for handcuff injuries

It seems like they've been caught on video sexually abusing a prisoner. Netanyahu views this as a PR problem (subtext: carry on abusing Palestinian prisoners just don't get caught doing it). It also seems as though many Israelis support this kind of abuse.

Israeli military's top lawyer resigns over leak of video allegedly showing abuse of Palestinian detainee

Israeli military's ex-top lawyer arrested over leak of video allegedly showing Palestinian detainee abuse

Last week, a criminal investigation was launched into the leaking of the video.
Gen Tomer-Yerushalmi was put on leave while the inquiry took place.

"I approved the release of material to the media in an attempt to counter false propaganda against the army's law enforcement authorities," she said [in her resignation letter]

Overnight, a police spokesperson announced that two people had been arrested on suspicion of "leaking and other serious criminal offences" as part of an investigation.

Israeli media reported that the pair were Gen Tomer-Yerushalmi and the former chief military prosecutor, Col Matan Solomosh.

The Sde Teiman incident has been a lightning rod for the division between the left and right in Israel.
On the right, the leaking of the video is denounced as a defamation of the Israeli military, all but amounting to an act of treason.

The video is regarded by the left as concrete evidence backing up multiple reports of abuse of Palestinian detainees since the Hamas-led 7 October 2023 attacks on Israel.
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Fact-checking Trump's 60 minutes interview

Let's check the checker shall we?

  1. Democratic Republic of the Congo — Rwanda (Washington Accord)
    • Date: 27 June 2025 (signed in Washington, D.C.)
    • What: U.S.-brokered peace agreement intended to end fighting in eastern DRC, including a pledge for Rwandan troop withdrawal and security arrangements; signed in Washington.
    • Status: Signed; widely reported by Reuters, AP and the U.S. State Department. State Department+2Reuters+2
  2. India — Pakistan (U.S.-facilitated ceasefire)
    • Date: 10 May 2025 (ceasefire announced)
    • What: A “full and immediate” ceasefire between India and Pakistan after a dangerous escalation; U.S. (Trump administration) publicly presented itself as a mediator.
    • Status: Ceasefire announced and reported by major outlets and the U.S. State Department; the truce was fragile with reports of violations shortly after. State Department+2Reuters+2
  3. Iran — Israel (ceasefire ending the June 2025 escalation)
    • Date: 24 June 2025 (effective date reported)
    • What: A U.S.- and Qatar-mediated ceasefire that ended a short but intense exchange (often called the “12-Day War” in coverage); Trump publicly announced the deal.
    • Status: Widely reported as a ceasefire; some details and claims were contested, but multiple outlets covered the deal. Wikipedia+1
  4. Armenia — Azerbaijan (peace declaration; White House signing ceremony)
    • Date: 8 August 2025 (initialed / joint declaration at the White House)
    • What: Joint declaration/peace agreement initialed in Washington aiming to end the Nagorno-Karabakh era of conflict; Trump hosted the leaders and was presented as a mediator/witness.
    • Status: Initialed and text published; reported by Reuters and others. Reuters+1
  5. Israel — Hamas / Gaza (October 2025 ceasefire / Gaza “peace plan”)
    • Date: Early–mid October 2025 (initial phases/ceasefire around Oct 9–10, 2025)
    • What: A multilateral, U.S.-led 20-point plan and associated ceasefire phases aimed at pausing fighting in Gaza and arranging hostage releases; Trump was the U.S. lead publicly promoting the plan.
    • Status: Agreement/first-phase ceasefire widely reported (October 2025); described and analyzed by CFR, Wikipedia and major press. (Note: the deal is complex and implementation has been contested.) Council on Foreign Relations+1
  6. Thailand — Cambodia (ceasefire / Putrajaya / Kuala Lumpur declarations)
    • Date(s): July–October 2025 (Putrajaya declarations July 28 referenced; signing / summit activity in late October)
    • What: Declarations and a ceasefire framework between Thailand and Cambodia, publicized during U.S. diplomatic/ASEAN engagement and in White House releases.
    • Status: The White House and regional coverage describe a U.S.-facilitated de-escalation; independent international press covered later ceremonial signings. (White House material and Al Jazeera/other reporting available.) The White House+2The White House+2
  7. Serbia — Kosovo (re-engagement/normalization steps claimed)
    • Date / note: White House materials include Serbia–Kosovo in lists of 2025 achievements; however, the major Serbia–Kosovo documents widely cited were from 2020 and independent reporting in 2025 discusses diplomatic re-engagement rather than a brand-new full treaty. The White House+1
  8. Egypt — Ethiopia (claimed U.S. role in “keeping peace”)
    • Date / note: The White House narrative has included Egypt–Ethiopia among issues the administration says it helped stabilize; independent outlets note the longstanding GERD dispute remains unresolved and coverage characterizes any 2025 progress as limited. The White House+1
  9. “Abraham Accords expansion” / other Israel-normalizations
    • Date / note: The White House materials sometimes bundle earlier Abraham Accords work and newly announced steps or bilateral openings in 2025; some are ceremonial or exploratory (overflights, talks, recognitions) rather than fresh full diplomatic normalization treaties. Independent reporting distinguishes the 2020 Abraham Accords from 2025 actions. The White House+1
Links provided - the debunking has been debunked. IMHO
I would concede that Trump has influenced many world conflicts. He also though has created angst among nations like Denmark, Canada, S. Korea and various South American/ Caribbean nations. He is too loose with the facts. Like how blowing up a boat with alleged drug smugglers will save 25,000 American lives. I doubt history will be kind to Trump. We will know soon enough the outcomes of his policies. I don't agree with his foundation though, in putting America and/or money first, I expect that hubris will hurt America.
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Matthew Dowd Fired from MSNBC For Vile Comments Blaming Charlie Kirk For Assassination

It can incite murder.
It can incite a MURDERER.
Stating is not approving.
It is approving of murdering
That depends....

So how did Dowd condone murder? He did not. So why should he be fired for his speech?
He said Kirks speech was the cause of his murder. The same goes for employees of "WE", the public. We pay their wages. Why on earth would anyone want to associate with someone who believes it is ok to kill someone they don't like? It is insane!
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Harvard conservative magazine is suspended by its own board after publishing article laced with Nazi rhetoric

The Spanish were here first. The British and French came later and ended up fighting a war against each other. Then you had Dutch, Swedish, German, but they were all white-skinned. Transportation was not what it is today. It was taken for granted that the colonies would remain white European. If that's racist, then the Native Americans were also racist, as is everyone on Earth. I'm 100% certain that the inhabitants of Saudi Arabia want Arabia to stay Arabian.
There were million of Africans here too. I dont care about the intent for this point of the argument. The fact is the die was cast. The USA was destined to be multicultural. Similar with former Spanish territories we annexed. Hispanics may be "white", but the language was different and has never really left.

Do you think that's a bad thing? Groups of individuals like different things. As a teenager I was fascinated by how there were always very few (if any) black folks at a hard rock concert. And a friend and I went to hear Stanley Clarke play. He and I were the only white people there (well, he was Mexican). Several black folks literally looked down their noses at us, but that could be due to the fact that they were all dressed up in fine evening clothes and we were in jeans and t-shirts. :)
I think tribalism was certainly necessary as a matter of human evolution. But its shadow side has loomed catastrophically large since the start of the 20th c.

You see it in churches and prisons. In my town I've driven by an African Baptist Church, a Korean Baptist Church, a Church of Myanmar, etc. Those people could go to any church, but they choose to be around their own kind. And I think it's common knowledge that prisoners largely self-segregate along racial lines.

I had some Romanian food at a festival awhile back. It was combinations of stuff I'm not used to, and I'll just say I'm glad I don't live in Romania. :sick:
Yeah people hang out with their own when its a matter of choice. Thats a challenge for our multicultural country. How to layer an American identity over peoples natural tribal identities.

Ha, you will hear some British politicians hint at that idea, but it's hard to come out and say. IMO, it's those who were colonized who owe a debt to the colonizers.
Whats your explanation for why there has been so much legal immigration from former colonies into their European counterparts?
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JUST WHO IS 1 COR 3:11 SPEAKING TOO. ??

# 1. FOR // is a CONJUNCATION

# 2. OTHER. // ALLOS , is a ACCUSATIVE CASE , in the SINGULAR

# 3. FOUNDATION. // THEMELIOS. , in the ACCUSATIVE CASE , in. the SINGULAR

#4. CAN // DYNAMA. in. the PRESENT TENSE. in. the MIDDLE VOICE , in. the PASSIVE VOICE , in the INDICATIVE MOOD ,

in. the SINGULAR

# 5. NO MAN // in. the NOMINATIVE CASE , in. the SINGULAR

# 6 LAY. //. TITHEMI. , in. the AORIST TENSE , in the ACTIVE VOICE

# 7 THAN //. PARA. , is a PREPOSTION

# 8. THAT IS LAID //. KEIMAI. , in. the PRESENT TENSE , in. the SINGULAR

# 9 WHICH. //. HOS. , is a. RELATIVE PRONOUN. in. the NOMINATIVE CASE . in. the SINGULAR

# 10 IS //. ESTI in the. PRESENT TENSE in. the INDICATIVE MOOD. in. the SIGNULAR

# 11. JESUS. //. IESOUS. , in. the NOMINATIVE CASE , in the SINGULAR

# 12. CHRIST // CHRISTOS. in. the NOMINATIVE CASE in the SINGULAR.


# A And please NOTICE Jesus Christ LAID this FOUNDATION and NO ONE ELSE. !!

# B AND ONLY. BELIVERS. that. are SAVED by GRACE will receive rewards and our REWARDS WILL BE AWE-SOME !!

But it also will be a sad DAY for some and I do to want it to be ME !!

dan p

The Thing Most Sabbath Keepers Do not Talk About.

The reason why I reply to these kinds of post, is because the seductive religious doctrine you promote is contrary to Gods own definition of His own New Covenant which promises God law written on the hearts of men who believe Him. As if God is incapable of defining His own Covenant, so He needs the Catholic or her Protestant daughters to define His covenant for the masses.

I am astounded at your false accusations.

I have noticed a pattern - condemn the member and then pretend he believes in heresy.

This is pretty shocking.
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Fact-checking Trump's 60 minutes interview

The topic is Trump's 60 minutes interview and his fabrications. Do you have anything to say about that?
I already have - with links -

If you want to stay on a specific topic - then stay on it. I'm replying to you introducing thoughts and supposed facts - which I am debunking.
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Matthew Dowd Fired from MSNBC For Vile Comments Blaming Charlie Kirk For Assassination

Speech does not cause murder.
It can incite murder.
Approving of such an idea can cause someone to be fired.
Stating is not approving.
Which is not a crime.
That depends....

So how did Dowd condone murder? He did not. So why should he be fired for his speech?
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The Thing Most Sabbath Keepers Do not Talk About.

The covenant was not the issue, why He wrote the exact words of the covenant Psa89:34 Exo34:28 2Cor3:3 just established His New Covenant on better promises Heb8:6 (if we cooperate with Him) on what He will do, if we allow Him to Heb8:10 John14:15-18

According to Jeremiah, the promised New Covenant involved being sealed to obedience by the 'Spirit of the Fear of the Lord' it was not to be a matter of salvation by works.

Jer 32:40 I will make an everlasting covenant with them that I will not turn away from them, to do them good; and I will put the fear of Me in their hearts, so that they will not turn away from Me.
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The Reality of Free Will

The ins and outs of the free will vs determinism question is not explicit in Scripture, and any inference in either direction is likely being read into the text rather than dealing with what is in the text
I try to be a pragmatist. Scripture says we were made in the image of God. To know Who that Image is, is to know thyself. It is the purpose for the Scriptures that we should know God.

Objectively God IS that He IS. Scripture conveys that there is a subjective corruptible image of god in the world which keeps people in darkness. According to the Gospel, it can be discerned as an ignorance of the True Image of God who would suffer a cross of torture, betrayal, and shame, and yet in all sincerity would forgive his crucifiers saying they know not what they do. Again, we were made in God's Image, and we need a pure Image of HE Who IS to believe in (trust in) and conform to, in Character.

The Creator precedes the Creation. <-- As a theist, I would point out that this is an explicit example of determinism in one direction, and there is nothing to read into it. Admitting there is a source of the energy that formed all things, is the first precept of theism and the very sentiment of what the term Father means to every child of God.

Did you hurt your back when you made that reach?
It's the Gospel and the Word Christ Jesus speaking. Jesus is declaring there is an alternate father who is the father of lies. I think it's necessary to contemplate when the circumstance of freedom to choose is a choice between believing what is true and of God and what is a lie posing as the truth.
It is a demonstration of "ought implies can", there's no need to treat it as a special case.
It still doesn't imply voluntary.

Romans 8:3
For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
Dialectical Behavioral Therapy, it's main idea is that two conflicting ideas be held at the same time.
According to the description it sounds like cognitive dissonance, which isn't good. That doesn't sound like what I'm doing.
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Why do people hate ICE...

Feds Drop Case Against Man Accused of Injuring Greg Bovino’s Groin

The man who federal agents accused of dealing Greg Bovino a groin injury from which the Border Patrol commander purportedly needed two weeks to recover will no longer face charges after prosecutors on Monday moved to drop their case against him.

Per a motion to dismiss the complaint, federal prosecutors will no longer pursue a charge of impeding a federal officer. Cole Sheridan, the protester, was initially charged with assaulting and impeding a federal officer over an Oct. 3 protest in which a Homeland Security Investigations agent accused the man of shoving Bovino. Prosecutors could still bring charges against Sheridan in another form.

Bovino has become a one-man flashpoint in Operation Midway Blitz, the administration’s escalation in Chicago, orchestrating showy stunts like a raid on a South Side apartment complex last month that involved Black Hawk helicopters. More recently, Bovino made a series of bizarre tactical hand gestures as he left a court hearing last week while surrounded by press.

Footage of the alleged altercation failed to support the assault claim, per reports from the hearing.

Bovino can't obey court orders and yet again DHS exaggerates incidents to threaten protestors with legal troubles.

This is telling from the judges statement.

“Without video of the actual physical exchange … there is only the evidence of the hearsay statement of Bovino,” Magistrate Judge Heather K. McShain reportedly said.

This judge should be impeached. No video of the actual exchange? Are you kidding me? There is rarely any video of any exchange between a victim and a suspect. There is testimony. A victim testifying is witness to their own victimization. Is this idiotic judge making rape victims show video of the actual altercation?

This judge is obviously biased against ICE and should be barred from any proceedings involving them.

Bovino probably should have gone to a doctor and gotten medical records. In my jurisdiction officers if assaulted can testify to the pain of an assault even if they don't have actual video. In a scuffle with the suspect there is rarely any video of the actual strike, grab or punch because of the cameras inability to capture that moment do to the bodies moving and parts blocking the lense etc. The officer can still testify that it happened and the charges move forward. This is moronic.
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Hello Everyone!

Thanks for the question. True Christianity to me is a person who has heard from God personally, and understands and acknowledges that Jesus loves them, and can offer them a free gift of salvation. Every true Christian responds to God by the faith that God gives them, faith that Jesus took their sins, that Jesus rose from the dead and faith that gives them a desire to lay down their lives for God and others in love. A true Christian too will continue on a path to know and understand God, the bible and find their place in what God wants them to do.

Of course there are more ways to state this but I think that covers the most basic things. Too often many approach God with their intellect. But every person has physical flesh, a mind and also a spirit within them. It is this spirit that allows them to live forever, and to live with God forever if they choose the path of Christianity. So one again has to hear from God to start the journey. He does desire and shows himself to every person in one way or another, but it sure does help to seek God to try and understand him and to learn from the bible. Hope that helps.
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Harvard conservative magazine is suspended by its own board after publishing article laced with Nazi rhetoric

A conservative magazine at Harvard University was suspended by its board of directors Sunday amid scrutiny over an article published in September that closely resembled the rhetoric of Adolf Hitler.

In its September print issue, the Harvard Salient published an article by student David F.X. Army that read “Germany belongs to the Germans, France to the French, Britain to the British, America to the Americans,” echoing the words Hitler used in a January 1939 speech to the Reichstag in which he forecasted that another world war would lead to the annihilation of Jews.

The Harvard Salient piece also argued that “Islam et al. has absolutely no place in Western Europe,” and called for a return to values “rooted in blood, soil, language, and love of one’s own.” (The phrase “blood and soil” also echoes a Nazi idea that the inherent features of a people are its land and race.)

The school’s mainstream student newspaper, the Harvard Crimson, published three opinionpieces criticizing the rhetoric used in the Salient piece, to which [Salient's editor in chief] Rodgers published his own article last week lamenting that “ordinary conservative thought is one headline away from criminality.”
Just America being America. Did the message of Jake and Elwood fall on deaf ears?
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The Schumer Shutdown

Its obvious st this point the propeganda put out by the lame stream media and the Democratic Party is winning. There are more Amerucans who blame Republicans for the shut down. What i find interesting is about 20% don't know who to blame. There is around 7% difference between who blames Republicans and who blames Democrats. Then there is still 20% who don't know despite pretty much all of media blaming Republicans.

And this whole SNAP snafu false propeganda. There is so much deception from the media and the Democratic party making people think SNAP can be fully funded with contingency when it can't be. It can't even be funded for a whole month.

I dont expect the Democrats to ever understand its their parties fault, but I do hold out hope that the 20% will eventually figure it out and realize its the Democratic Party holding everyone hostage.
Oh my the irony of this post...
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