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What happens if someone dies before they became a believer, is it their fault?

This is about as clear as mud. lol

Are you saying babies go to Hell or Heaven man, come on, fess up your personal conclusion. :)
If you're looking for a blanket statement, here you go: God can (and will) do as he pleases.

Each baby is another individual, that God deals with according to his purposes.

If you want me to 'admit' that it is possible that some babies go to hell, ok. I insist that it is possible, until someone can demonstrate to my satisfaction that babies are born innocent, without the inherent corruption endemic to the rest of us.

Too often the dynamic from which people pose their questions or make their statements on this matter, seem to indicate that God has no particular plans for babies, unborn or otherwise. Well, if someone dies, it was by God's will, and if someone lives, it was by God's will. The same is true concerning babies, all of whom are his creation, and not their own, any more than we own ourselves. They were conceived and grew according to HIS purposes. If anybody—baby or otherwise—goes to Hell, it is according to God's justice; if the baby is indeed innocent, God is just, any punishment is meet for the crime. If anybody—baby or otherwise—goes to Heaven, it is by the mercy of God.

Whether they die before birth, or live to die after birth, or to die at any particular later point in life, they will die, and that, when God says so, and not until he says so, and it will be so for his purposes. Whether upon dying they go to Heaven or to Hell, is also according to God's say-so and for his reasons.

Clear enough?
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Are the Jews Israel, or is the church Israel? Or does it depend on the context of the passage?

Rev.2:1 Unto the angel of the church of Ephesus write;

Rev. 3:1 And unto the angel of the church in Sardis write;

We see 7 Churches named because 7 in God lingo means Divine Completion. Don't tell me you profess to understand prophesy but do not understand what numbers represent in God lingo !! The reason John is told in Rev. 1 this is Jesus was dividing these time frames of prophesy up.

Rev. 1:11 Saying, I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last: and, What thou seest, write in a book, and send it unto the seven churches which are in Asia; unto Ephesus, and unto Smyrna, and unto Pergamos, and unto Thyatira, and unto Sardis, and unto Philadelphia, and unto Laodicea.

Rev. 1:19
Write the things which thou hast seen(Jesus in all his Glory), and the things which are(Church Age), and the things which shall be hereafter(After the Church Age in Rev. 2 & 3 we see the Pre Trib. Rapture in Rev. 4:1 everything else is HEREAFTER the Church Age)

Rev. 4:1 After this I looked, and, behold, a door was opened in heaven: and the first voice which I heard was as it were of a trumpet talking with me(Last Trump HINT, its the Rapture and the Last Trump of the Feast of Trumps ENDS the Harvest Season/Church Age); which said, Come up hither, and I will shew thee things which must be hereafter. (After the Church Age)

2 And immediately I was in the spirit: and, behold, a throne was set in heaven, and one sat on the throne

It astounds me when people can not grasp the obvious, all because they have a pre set idea planted from youth, or they learned it from other men, and thus God's truths get blocked out.

See above, in Rev. 4:1

Jesus has been to earth 1000's of times, he was with Abraham and Daniel, he REVISTED in John 20 after first telling Mary to TOUCH ME NOT, for I have not yet ascended to the Father [to offer the sacrifice which HER TOUCHING would have defiled[. Then a few verses later he tells Doubting Thomas to touch hi wounds ad brought back a gift for his bride, the Holy Spirit.

The 2nd coming is a misnomer by you guys. Its really talking about Two ADVENTS, Jesus comes as the meekly Lamb led to slaughter and then as the Lion King of Judah, to rule over mankind for 1000 years. Anyone that thinks Jesus only visits this earth twice just doesn't read very well.
Many on here were deceived by Pretrib growing up, but our eyes have been opened to its folly. You cannot even prove one single claim. This is all man-made theories. There is no substance to it. That is because you do not have Scripture to support Pretrib. There is no proof-text in Scripture - that is why you twist a text like Revelation 4.

Revelation 4:1-2 has absolutely nothing to do with a secret rapture. In fact, note what it actually says and how it compares to similarly worded passages in Revelation. Remember, the safest way to understand Scripture is to compare Scripture with Scripture.

Revelation 4:1-2 commences, “After this (speaking of his supernatural encounter with Christ on Patmos) I looked, and, behold, a door was opened in heaven: and the first voice which I heard was as it were of a trumpet talking with me; which said, Come up hither, and I will shew thee things which must be hereafter. And immediately I was in the spirit: and, behold, a throne was set in heaven, and one sat on the throne.”

There is no allusion here of the Lord descending in the clouds from heaven, there is no mention of the Church, we don’t see the saints rising to meet Him, there is no mention of the dead in Christ being resurrected and those who are alive and remain being caught up, there is no meeting Jesus in the air. It is all an elaborate hoax formulated by men which enjoys no biblical basis for their doctrine.
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Can democratic Socialism save America?

As usual, people just don't understand just what Socialism is. They love many socialist programs, such as the military, police, border patrol, schools, libraries, highway systems, dams, bridges, space program, etc...
And you don't understand what it is either.
but hate corporate welfare, international welfare, social welfare, medicade, etc...

What we need to do is look at all nations that have a form of Socialism in some manner. There are bad countries such as Venezuela, and good countries such as Iceland. We should learn to make our country better, not worse.
Paying taxes for services is not socialism
Corruption is the main problem with any form of government.
This why socialism is terrible. It simply puts all our money in the control of a select few. The few who did not earn it. It appeals to a covetous desire.
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MARK OF THE BEAST - REVELATION 13-14; 17; 18

The 4 Visions of the Lord in Revelation.



The predominant aim of Revelation is the setting forth the splendours of the Son of Man, & to reveal His glorious person. There are four visions of the Son of Man as He is known in the heavenly realm & each vision in turn carries through to completion one aspect of the fourfold ministry of Christ which He exercised when on earth. His Kinship was expressed in Matthew, His Heirship in Mark, His Mediatorship in Luke, & His Judgeship in John.


Vision 1. CHRIST - Head of the Body. (Rev. 1 – 3)

This reveals the empowered Son of Man as the Sovereign Administrator.

`in His right hand He held 7 stars.`



Vision 2. CHRIST - HEIR. (Rev. 4 – 7)

This reveals the enthroned Son of Man as the Supreme Executor.

`in His right hand He held the 7 sealed book.`



Vision 3. CHRIST - MEDIATOR. (Rev. 8 – 13)

This reveals the exalted Son of Man as the Stately Mediator.

`in His hand is a sacred censor.`



Vision 4. CHRIST - JUDGE. (Rev. 14 – 22)

This reveals the entitled Son of Man as the Sublime Adjudicator.

`in His hand is a sharp sickle.`



To reveal Christ to us in Revelation, there are over three hundred & thirty references to the figures, shadows, symbols, types, patterns, persons, & buildings of the Old Testament.

This unveiling is the culmination of all the truths expressed from Genesis to Revelation, for all scripture is centred on one purpose and that is to reveal Christ to us in all His Glory.
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Why didn't the Biden administration embarrass Steve Bannon?

Why didn't the Biden administration embarrass Steve Bannon by leaking his connection to Epstein? He is a Trump ally.
Gee, I dunno. Maybe President Biden had better things to do?

-- A2SG, there was a few other things on his plate, as I recall....
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Are the Jews Israel, or is the church Israel? Or does it depend on the context of the passage?

Then who are the Israelites of God?
keras, where in the bible are you getting that phrase "Israelites of God" ?

The term Israelites itself does not appear in the kjv bible.

The phrase "Israel of God" does appear in the kjv in Galatians 6:16.

I think the Jews who believe in Jesus, Paul is calling the Israel of God in Galatians 6:16.
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CNN Dem Panelist Shocks Jennings with Major Admission on Lawfare Against Trump

Schumer could come right out and say they completely framed the guy, and it still wouldn't make any difference. They've had 'Trump is pure evil' drilled into their heads too much by now.
There was also all that pesky evidence against Trump that actually convinced the courts in several different trials that he was guilty. Let's not forget that.

-- A2SG, as Trump supporters so often are wont to do.....
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The Schumer Shutdown

Once we stop subsidizing the health insurance companies, costs can go down. But Schumer wants the insurance companies to have our money so badly that he shut the government down to (fail to) make that happen.
While I agree that we shouldn't be supporting the for-profit health insurance industry, and the billions of dollars the industry rakes in every year in profit greatly contributes to the rising cost of health care, the fact remains: Americans get their health care through that same health insurance industry. If there were a better way to obtain health care, say through a single payer system like many other nations have, that would be far more cost effective and a lot more comprehensive, I'd fully support it.

But we're not getting one any time soon. Because of those billions of dollars in profit.

Until that changes, if people want health care, insurance companies will get their money.

-- A2SG, the GOP certainly hasn't offered any alternatives to that idea....do you have any?
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MARK OF THE BEAST - REVELATION 13-14; 17; 18

And.... you've just made that chapter irrelevant to anyone before the invention of the modern microchip.

So - what has the church got out of Revelation for 2000 years?
And why does it have to relate to those who first heard the prophecy? All prophecy is about the Lord Jesus Christ and His purposes. They are not always to be fully understood by those who first heard them.
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MARK OF THE BEAST - REVELATION 13-14; 17; 18

The mark of the beast, the leader of the final gentile government, is an embedded chip where you have an app to give your allegiance to him.
And.... you've just made that chapter irrelevant to anyone before the invention of the modern microchip.

So - what has the church got out of Revelation for 2000 years?
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What happens if someone dies before they became a believer, is it their fault?

Well, no. I was not saying an unborn baby rejected God, but that at whatever point that baby is a responsible (by God's assessment) human, he rejects God, unless he has been born from above by the work of God.
This is about as clear as mud. lol

Are you saying babies go to Hell or Heaven man, come on, fess up your personal conclusion. :)
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Trump meets with Saudi Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman at White House

If Trump could kill his most troublesome critics without serious consequence, I don't think that he would hesitate.
And he probably wouldn't lose any voters.

-- A2SG, forgiveness is fundamental to MAGA...only for Trump, though....
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Why do people hate ICE...

Consider the potential outcomes had the minority group opposing both legal and illegal immigration to America been successful at the time of your arrival. How might this have affected you or your family?
Irrelevant. The discussion is about what immigration policy is appropriate today.
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Rare Earth minerals deposit could end Chinese dominance


This is very good news!

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