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Hentenza · 2025-12-02T10:41:57-0600

SabbathBlessings said:
Nothing that has to do with what Jesus predicted or the context of the plain Scriptures- they were keeping the Sabbath as a holy convocation Lev23:3, every Sabbath decades after the Cross both Jews and Gentiles just as Jesus predicted Isa56:6-7 and He predicts this will continue on for eternity but now it will be worshipping every Sabbath before Him Isa66:22-23 for His saints .

Old covenant. Not applicable.

SabbathBlessings said:
God's law is what God said it is and all of God's people (His saints) keep it. Rev14:12 Rev22:14 sadly just a remnant Rev12:17.

Jesus two love commandments. Nothing here about the sabbath.

SabbathBlessings said:
The ones who will not subject themselves to the law of God are the ones in rebellion Rom8:7-8.

The Christian is not of the flesh. Secondly:

“For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has set you free from the law of sin and of death. For what the Law could not do, weak as it was through the flesh, God did: sending His own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh and as an offering for sin, He condemned sin in the flesh, so that the requirement of the Law might be fulfilled in us who do not walk according to the flesh but according to the Spirit.”
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For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has set you free from the law of sin and of death. For what the Law could not do, weak as it was through the flesh, God did: sending His own Son in th

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Paul is not bipolar.

SabbathBlessings said:
God defines His commandments Exo20:6 Deut4:13, not us, because we are not God, nor will we ever be. As much as we want to elevate our words to be equal to or above God's they are not. Why one cannot find one verse where Jesus said directly we do not need to keep the Sabbath commandment but instead clearly indicted His people would be keeping it decades after the cross Mat24:20 following the example of Jesus Luke4:16 1John2:6 which we see clearly Acts 13:42 Acts 13:44 Acts 15:21 Acts 18:4 etc.

All the thus saith the Lords in the entire Bible on the Sabbath, and there are many, God tells us to keep the Sabbath and not profane God's holy day. Isa58:13 because its really a deeper problem Eze22:26 Eze20:16 Just because one says something different than what the Bible says, does it make it true. In fact, Scriptures warn us about this very thing Isa8:20

eleos1954 · 2025-12-02T10:39:52-0600

Mark Quayle said:
I'm not saying that it can be both, but that it can be neither, or maybe, better, that there may be a perspective/understanding that encompasses both.

Your descriptions are dependent on some form of time passage. And we don't know how to think otherwise, so I think that is partly why the terminology of Scripture. But when one looks at the attributes of God —particularly his singularity of purpose —his Aseity— and his Omnipotence and Sovereignty, we have to conclude that time is only one of his "inventions", one of his tools, and not necessarily something that governs the life/death to come, which is his economy —his realm.

When I consider that Christ took our punishment for us, I have to conclude that he suffered EVERYTHING we would have, not just temporal torment and death, but the torments of hell for every one of us who have our sin forgiven. He 'survived' it because he is God. "Hell could not hold him". I can't say that my conclusions are accurate —much less my descriptions— but I think there is something to them: That what happened to him, and to everyone of the reprobate, is a matter of what we in this life might term, "INTENSITY", where time passage does not apply. In this, complete destruction is going to happen, and is never over with (because there is no time passage), yet not ongoing in the sense that "time" would imply. Their hopelessness, anguish, despair, pain, regret, anger, hatred for God all "at once" knowing what it is to have lost all virtue with which we once knew them here, lost it because God has abandoned them.

God is not a torturing monster ... to think so is ridiculous

Hell is the grave .... Jesus Himself ... and many other places in the bible describes death as a dormant sleep (1st death) why? Because one day ALL will be resurrected (woken from their sleep)

Christian theology holds that Jesus's divine nature is what enabled him to survive death and be resurrected, but it was his human nature that experienced death. His death was a sacrifice made possible by his dual nature, and his resurrection was due to the power of God.

It's about eternal life (living with God forever-eternal existence) or eternal death (eternal non(existence)

We are not to be confused about death ... the 1st death is temporary ... the 2nd death is final for eternity.

BCP1928 · 2025-12-02T10:35:22-0600

another_lost_guy said:
Yeah and national socialism isn't real socialism and the sky is green. As long as we have the Supreme Court we're not a democracy. And that's a beautiful thing

Supreme courts come and go. It's the Constitution which protects us from people like you.

BCP1928 · 2025-12-02T10:32:25-0600

ThatRobGuy said:
Did you take a gander at BYU's "Code of Honor" that I linked earlier?

Yes, and rejected it as a comparison of superficialities.

durangodawood · 2025-12-02T10:31:17-0600

ThatRobGuy said:
Did you take a gander at BYU's "Code of Honor" that I linked earlier?

Given those strict rules they have about what can and can't be said, shown, and done, I think we can form a pretty rock solid conclusion that they wouldn't have much in the way of a robust Arts or Humanities department there.

While getting precise enrollment numbers may be a tad tricky

We can make some inferences.
UC Berkeley offers over 150 different majors and minors, including several in the arts. The Division of Arts & Humanities provides almost 30 majors

So out of the 150 different programs (major and minors), 30 are majors in the Arts & Humanities department.

Wow still no actual comparison of U's to back up your imaginary comparison!

There are numbers out there for how many graduates get what degrees from various U's. Its instructive. Youll see Berkeley is not what you think it is - when you compare.

iluvatar5150 · 2025-12-02T10:30:20-0600

another_lost_guy said:
I'm about to reply to every individual thing here but can we just pause here for a second and zoom out? Nancy Pelosi's annualized return in the last 5 years is 22.8%.

No, it isn't. Congressional financial disclosure don't list asset values in specific dollar amounts. They assign them extrememly broad ranges. I can't remember what the sub-$500k brackets look like, but IIRC, above that, they go:

$500k-$1m
$1m-$5m
$5m-20m

Some of Pelosi's investments over the last few years have ticked up from one bracket to the next. Every article I've seen has done the math as if the actual value was the ceiling of each of those brackets.

IOW, if the value of one of her investments went from $999,999 to $1,000,001 (i.e. enough to move it from the $1m bracket to the $5m bracket), then the NY Post et all would treat is as having increase 400%, from $1m to $5m, which is ludicrous.

I've seen some pieces that calculate her investment returns as if she started with the wealth she had upon entering congress and then never invested any more money after that. Also ludicrous.

Berkshire Hathaway, the best investment firm in the WORLD's annualized return of the last 5 years is 13.6%, nearly HALF that.

What are you talking about? 1.) BH isn't "the best investment firm in the world." 2.) The S&P 500 return from 2019-2024 was 13.2%. The "best investment firm in the world" only beat the market average by 3%?

There are three options here:

1. Occam's razor: She trades on nonpublic information that she has access to by being a politician/insider
2. She is an 85 year old house of representatives member fishing for geriatric Facebook approval by pulling stunts like this who also moonlights as one of the greatest investment geniuses of our time on the side
3. She just got lucky with a few stocks

Don't avoid the question, North. I genuinely wanna see which one you pick

No, there are other options:
The people reporting on her returns are making faulty assumptions and doing poor math (which is demonstrably true).
Her husband is a professional investor / venture capitalist and is likely to have made some bets that paid off well.

another_lost_guy · 2025-12-02T10:29:46-0600

BCP1928 said:
What I do believe it that Christian nationalists are traitors to their country and enemies of Christ. That will entirely explain and justify my support of any politician to you.

Not an argument. Also, you ignored the last thing I said to you so I don't feel obligated to engage with you until you engage with my last argument

BCP1928 · 2025-12-02T10:28:02-0600

RDKirk said:
Two things can be true at the same time.

A person can be all for shooting up drug runner boats, and agree that these have been drug runner boats...

...and still be opposed to US sailors breaking the Law of Armed Conflict that requires them to pick up survivors when they shoot up boats.

It's interesting that none of us cultural marxists on the evil left are complaining about the drug boat interdictions in the Pacific. Good work Coast Guard!

BPPLEE · 2025-12-02T10:27:48-0600

Are Minnesota taxpayers funding a Somali terror group?

The allegations against former nonprofit Feeding Our Future are among the most serious COVID-related claims.

www.newsnationnow.com

Federal authorities who spoke with NewsNation on the condition of anonymity say al-Shabbab takes a cut of funds sent to Somalia.
A former member of the Joint Terrorism Task Force told NewsNation that although there are legitimate refugees here and “they do have a right to send money back, the system is way too untracked, way too wild. People are committing crimes, and that money is going back to Somalia.”

BCP1928 · 2025-12-02T10:23:03-0600

another_lost_guy said:
1. Democracy isn't a good thing and the West (USA) is thankfully a constitutional republic, not a democracy.
2. Natural philosophy is influenced by a belief in a universe with order and structure created by God
3. Law codes are influenced by canon law
4. Religious pluralism isn't a good thing but we can skip this one since you will never agree to it as an atheist
5. The church has historically been the largest sponsor of exploration/navigation
6. Nicole Oresme, Johannes Kepler, Bede, etc;
7. It is utter nonsense to believe the best architecture in world history is not a fruit of Christianity
8. I will throw you a bone with aqueducts

What I do believe it that Christian nationalists are traitors to their country and enemies of Christ. That will entirely explain and justify my support of any politician to you.

Oompa Loompa · 2025-12-02T10:22:49-0600

A2SG said:
A2SG, one never knows, do one...

Yes. One can never truly tell if the Emperor is wearing clothes or not.

rambot · 2025-12-02T10:21:00-0600

Deport a student after changing the rules and making her ineligible to be here? Keeping America safe from rapists and gangbangers.

Release Honduran President found guilty of importing millions of dollars of drugs into the country: It doesn't matter. Trump did it so he's keeping us safe.

eleos1954 · 2025-12-02T10:18:02-0600

Always in His Presence said:
Who is this? An Islamic group that follows a strict Salafi-jihadi ideology. They are seeking to establish an Islamic emirate in Somalia governed by its extreme interpretation of Sharia law. It is strongly anti-Western, anti-African Union, and opposes the Federal Government of Somalia (FGS), which it considers apostate.

This coming from a State governed by someone who could have been VP.

What has been exposed in Minnesota is Likely the tip of the iceberg.

Maria Billingsley · 2025-12-02T10:17:58-0600

Michie said:
Do you have a link to the article you posted?

There is no link available however this position is widely published. Here is one for your review.

American Christian Zionism and Israeli-Palestinian Relations — The Fletcher Forum of World Affairs

By Robert Flynn Introduction Driven by the election, discussion regarding the Israeli-Palestinian conflict has focused on state actions and the perceived ability of political leaders in the United States to bring about a resolution. Now that the U.S. election is decided, and with hostilities con

www.fletcherforum.org

wing2000 · 2025-12-02T10:16:51-0600

Servus said:
The good ol' Washington Post which seems to be the number one source for agitating certain people to outrage 24/7, reported that Hegseth supposedly gave the order to "kill everybody" which lead to two smugglers being shot to death while clinging onto boat wreckage. Of course there's no official record of such an order being given, and of course the supposed disclosure came by way of the WPs usual anonymous sources. Ever since Watergate and the secret informer they called "deep throat" the WP has had supposed anonymous informants crawling out of the woodwork.

...yea, those pesky WaPo reporters should have kept their mouths shut. Poor Richard Nixon...if only he had the MAGA party at his back.

iluvatar5150 · 2025-12-02T10:16:38-0600

ThatRobGuy said:
The fact that they have allowed themselves to be, to use your words, leashed and pushed in that direction (despite having a substantial portion of the guns and societal power/influence) for decades and decades is indicative of a religion that has a better chance of being able to integrate into a secular society.

They didn't allow themselves to be pushed in that direction. They fought back and essentially lost the fight through attrition. The old stodgers died off and the younger kids grew up in an environment of egalitarianism where they could see the old fearmongering and biases for what they were.

If progressives tried to push Islamic fundamentalists in a different direction, what would the outcome be?

idk, maybe what most of that region looked like in the 60's and 70's before the zealots took over?

It seems like the longer that Christianity remains the predominant religious ideology of a region, the more secular it ends up getting over the long haul,

That's Christianity in the current manifestation of the west. That hasn't always been how Christianity worked. A big part of the reason Christianity is so widespread is that it became intertwined with the government and was forced on people for over 1,000 years.

where as with Islam, it's a fast & furious move in the other direction in many cases.

....in areas that don't have strong institutions and/or traditions of liberalism.

It ties into what I mentioned before, a difference in the style of the doctrine. The Jesus of the Bible wasn't a politician, and he made no prescriptions for conquest or forced conversion at gun point, and established no moral duty to consolidate power (a lot of the focus was on the kingdom to come after life, not the kingdoms here that are on earth), as where Islam was basically tailor made to be a religious and political conglomerate. (which makes sense given that Muhammed was both a politician and a religious leader, and conquest was very much a part of the rubric)

You're describing Christians as if they're all left-leaning Catholics or mainline protestants, or maybe evangelicals prior to the 1970's. What you described doesn't at all jive with how a lot of contemporary evangelicals think, especially those who've been influenced by charismatic/Dominionist/NAR theology (which is most of them to one degree or another), which is very explicit about its desire to amass power for the sake of exerting influence and advancing their idea of God's kingdom.

Evangelicals have been seeking to amass political power since at least since the Moral Majority, but it had previously been couched in terms of preserving the family, warding off evil, etc (though I'm cynical enough to not believe those excuses). It's only been more recently that they've developed a theology of amassing power.

eleos1954 · 2025-12-02T10:16:09-0600

CTB777 said:
Can anyone help me with getting the bible on SD card or on something that I can listen to the Bible with head phones, MP3 player perhaps?

I'm useless when it comes to computers and gadgets so keep that in mind when dealing with me

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The Barbarian · 2025-12-02T10:15:06-0600

I'm thinking that Trump was supposing that the democrats would never stoop so low as to Gerrymander states they controlled.

It's a truism that grifters are themselves quite gullible.

BCP1928 · 2025-12-02T10:14:46-0600

ThatRobGuy said:
...but the fact that those impulses can be curtailed and controlled for such a long period of time compared to their Islamic counterpart is indicative of something being very different about the tone and tenor of the two religions (whether it be the doctrine itself, or the behavior of the "hero" of each text)

If the doctrinal-driven impulses were of equal intensity, the conservative Christians in the US (statistically speaking, owning most of the heavy firepower) would've done a Jan 6th-style takeover that was 100,000 times magnitude (and armed instead of unarmed) and taken over the country and turned it into a theocracy ten times over by now.

You don't give our Constitution enough credit.

Jipsah · 2025-12-02T10:14:39-0600

RainySunflower said:
I wonder what they are hiding in the north pole.

Santy Claus

Defense Lawyer: Your honor, I move that the case against my client be dismissed on grounds of the Sanity Clause.

Judge: Motion denied. Everybody knows there ain't no Sanity Clause!

The Barbarian · 2025-12-02T10:13:00-0600

essentialsaltes said:
Trump’s pick to lead labor stats agency could pause monthly jobs report over accuracy concerns
In an Aug. 4 interview with Fox News Digital ahead of Monday’s nomination announcement, Antoni criticized the data behind the monthly jobs report as unreliable and frequently overstated, warning that it misleads key economic decision-makers from Washington to Wall Street.

Looking at the other economic indicators outside of Trump's control, it's not hard to see why he replaced a key analyst with a loyal follower, and now suggests not doing reports at all.

U.S. Mass Layoff Warnings Hit Highest Level in a Decade

We’re twelvth month into 2025, and it comes as no surprise when we say that 2025 is the year of layoffs. Mass layoff warnings in the U.S. have now surged to their highest point in ten years, raising concerns about the health of the American job market. As more data from analysts and industry reports come out, it has become clear that 2025 saw a sharp rise in WARN notices.

U.S. Mass Layoff Warnings Hit Highest Level in a Decade

U.S. mass layoff warnings have reached their highest level in nearly a decade. Rising WARN notices, slowing hiring, and AI-driven job cuts.

www.thehrdigest.com

BCP1928 · 2025-12-02T10:12:05-0600

Postvieww said:
It was a mistake for them to run drugs that have killed thousands in our country that didn’t survive.

So murdering them in cold blood is OK? Got it. This is a Christian forum, after all, so it is good to know the Christian position on the matter. Thanks.

eleos1954 · 2025-12-02T10:11:15-0600

9Rock9 said:
So, I heard a theory that Jesus was crucified on a Wednesday, rather than Friday (as is commonly believed.) Therefore, he rose from the dead on Saturday (the Sabbath.)

Idk enough about this view to really either affirm or deny it, but is it a gospel issue?

Can a genuine Christian believe Jesus died on Wednesday, as long as he still agrees that he rose again three days later?

Regardless of the timeline, the death, burial, and resurrection of Jesus are seen as the central act of salvation and the assurance of our own resurrection.

It does however affirms fulfilled prophesy and biblical truth which always helps us with our faith

NewLifeInChristJesus · 2025-12-02T10:09:56-0600

WordSword said:
“Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for His ‘seed’ remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God” (1Jn 3:9).

“His seed” is not the Lord Jesus, who would never be styled as such, but rather in His title. Nor is it the Holy Spirit, who also is always named such. It is something that is “created.” It is the “new man,” the holy nature born from the “divine nature” of Christ—created by Christ—which can never decrease! This is what is termed “created in righteousness and true holiness,” and “who is renewed in knowledge according to the image of Him who created him” (Eph 4:24; Col 3:10).

In which assigns believers as “partakers of the divine nature” (2Pe 1:4). Not making one divine, but only “partakers” or recipients, in which the believer, along with the sin nature has been given a holy nature, which “cannot sin.” Thus Christians alone possess a dichotomy of contrasting natures, with the old man always coming short in the outcome; natural man with the single sin nature; and the Lord Jesus with a single nature—the Divine Nature! The crux is that of not wanting to sin intentionally, as Paul said, “The evil I do not want to do . . . Now if I do what I do not want to do” (Ro 19, 20). Paul even goes as far as to say, “But now, it is no longer I who do it, but sin that dwelleth in me” (Ro 7:17, 20). Of course, he is not disclaiming ownership of the sin, because the old man yet abides within. He is just revealing a fact.

Hence the dichotomy of the Christian is thus reveled by Paul saying he is sinning with the old nature or old man, like any believer; but he in his new man or new nature “serves God” (Ro 7:25). The reason why he can say “it is no longer I who do it,” is due to the position that he is “not in the flesh” (Ro 8:9), i.e. not “willfully” pursuing evil nor desiring it (Heb 10:26; Num 15:30).

John Gill: “the new man”; “for this is a creation work, and so not man's, but God's; and is made not after the image of the first man, no not as innocent, and much less as fallen; but after the image of Christ, to which the elect of God are predestinated to be conformed, and which is stamped in regeneration; and more and more appears by every transforming view of Christ, and will be perfected in heaven, when they “shall see Him as He is” (1Jo 3:2), and be perfectly like Him, who is not only the pattern, but the Creator of it, even the Author and Finisher of faith.”

This is the beginning of wisdom. With these great truths as the foundation, we go on to learn that there is now no condemnation to those who are in Christ (Rom 8:1), that we are joined to the Lord and are one spirit with Him (1 Cor 6:17), that living in the Spirit compels us to walk in the Spirit (Ga 5:25), and that walking in the Spirit is the only way to not fulfill the lusts of the flesh (Ga 5:16-17). We can rejoice in the fact that the law's requirements for righteousness are satisfied in us because new life in Christ has set us free from the law of sin and death (Rom 8:2-4). In short, we are able to stop pursuing righteousness because we already have it in Christ, and we are able to turn our attention to living out what He has already given us. New life in Christ Jesus is truly everything we need for life and godliness.

BCP1928 · 2025-12-02T10:09:04-0600

Oompa Loompa said:
The posters answer was that it appeared to be human, but "looks can be deceiving." In other words, "It looks human but looks can be deceiving. So it could be a cat."

No, that is an intentional misrepresentation of his answer.

Oompa Loompa said:
Basically, what is going on is a situation of the Emperor having no clothes. The con-artists in the story who convinced a naked Emperor that he was beautifully dressed are the academic elites and school teachers who deceived their students into believing the trans ideology.

Then for years, anyone who had the audacity to question the Emperor's attire where ostracized and sent to the gulag out of fear of the king's embarrassment. It worked for a while, and many people went along with the lie to protect their jobs and reputations. But not anymore.

Now, the people are no longer afraid to speak the truth and are calling it what it is, delusion. The strange thing is that so many people have been groomed and indoctrinated so much that they truly believe the emperor is dressed when he is clearly naked. Now they cant even tell the difference between a cat, and a human having surgery to look like a cat.

No, it's apparently you that can't tell the difference.

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