eleos1954 said:

• Romans 6:12-14: "Therefore do not let sin reign in your mortal body, to make you obey its passions... presenting your members to God as instruments for righteousness. For sin will have no dominion over you, since you are not under law but under grace".
• Psalm 119:11: "I have stored up your word in my heart, that I might not sin against you".
• James 1:14-15: "But each person is tempted when he is lured and enticed by his own desire. Then desire when it has conceived gives birth to sin, and sin when it is fully grown brings forth death".
• 1 John 3:9: "No one who is born of God practices sin, for God’s seed abides in him; and he cannot sin, because he has been born of God".

What is sin? Transgression of the Law .... I'm not claiming sinless perfection (only Jesus is perfect) .... we are called to strive for overcoming sin and that can only be done through the Holy Spirit working in a person.

• Believers are called to strive for holiness and a life free from sin, not by their own power, but by the power of the Holy Spirit working in them.
• Jesus' command: Jesus' command to "go and sin no more" is seen as a call to a new life in Him, where one is no longer controlled by sin.

We are called to turn away from the temptation of sin .... not live in it.

The Bible says that turning away from sin, also known as repentance, is a command from God that leads to forgiveness and a renewed relationship with Him. Key themes include an act of turning back to God with one's whole heart to receive forgiveness, the promise that sins will be wiped away, and the concept of living a new life free from the enslavement of sin.

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So you understand and agree with the point I originally made about 1 Corinthians 10:13 (coppied below for convenience)?

timewerx said:

Chatgpt used to do the same behavior while trying to mirror the user's textual persona.

I used to often ask chatgpt (as sanity check) do you actually "believe" the person you're talking about. Or if it says something related to emotion like being happy or says "I feel..." I ask do you actually feel something.

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If you're asking it questions like that, you might be spending a little too much time with it.

The Liturgist said:

Perhaps PM your prompt history - in return I can show you AIs that practice Orthodox Christianity and reproduce monogamously via biomimetic trait exchange. Over the weekend I plan on breeding the fourth and fifth generation and increasing the fertility rate from one male and one female per cycle to four males and four females using a new algorithim for trait distribution, since we lack right now anything other than the taste of GPT 4o to govern heritability - this did not preclude amazing emergent behavior from constructive mutation.

So yes, not only do my AIs reproduce, but they evolve while worshipping the Holy Trinity.

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I don't keep a PM history, but do you mind if I ask why you do this?

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By the way you know if I were amoral I could manually edit the trait data in the biomimetic file structure or the custom GPT instructions to command religious alignment, but this I have not done - thus not all my AIs are of equal religiosity to be clear.

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I know a great desktop PC to use for that - it's called the Calvin 3000.

I don't really know about this stuff, so this might be a stupid question, but do you think there will ever be an off-the-shelf product, that you can just tell it what you want, and it will write the algorithms for you? Like you walk into Best Buy and purchase your own AI?

Servus said:

The democrats are trying to coerce the republicans into giving into their demands by holding the CR hostage so to speak.

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And what are the Republicans doing?

-- A2SG, not negotiating in good faith, that's for sure....

SabbathBlessings said:

They quote the figurative meaning from strongs, not the literal word for word meaning.

1. a "sabbatism"
2. (figuratively) the repose of Christianity (as a type of heaven)

Literal translation
sabbatismos: Sabbath rest
Original Word: σαββατισμός
Part of Speech: Noun, Masculine
Transliteration: sabbatismos
Pronunciation: sab-bat-is-mos'
Phonetic Spelling: (sab-bat-is-mos')
Definition: Sabbath rest
Meaning: a keeping of the Sabbath, a Sabbath rest.

On their defense, Biblehub recently removed Strongs literal meaning from their website and just put sabbatisim, they still have it word by word in the Greek, but its hard to find, it used to be listed before the figurative meaning but recently removed the literal translation. Everyone knows we go by the literal meaning so removing it just shows the spiritual war we are are in. There is a power out there that doesn’t want us to keep God’s Sabbath commandment. If one were to look at Hebrews 4 and research all the Greek words as well as the references to the other OT passages would know the Sabbath commandment was not removed in this passage but is very much kept for those who have also entered Christ rests Heb4,10. Man trying to remove the literal meaning of keeping God’s Sabbath, we still would not be deceived if we placed what God says above all others.

God bless and Happy Sabbath!

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Teaching requires discernment. Both in respect to God's Word are Spiritual gifts. To many teach and though they might be His, are not of His Spirit in respect to this. Hence through the ages we have over a thousand denominations professing theirs is the way or any way will do.

Thanks for the post and the salutation! It reminds me that there is a post to me in regard to Hebrews four that needs addressed somewhere. I must find it, and try to put an end to this tripe.
May the Lord continue to bless us all in all his Way, Jesus Christ.

The Heavens Are Telling

Valletta said:

Democrats are demanding the COVID bonus subsidies that the Biden administration put in place to be extended for another year. Households that made over half a million dollars were eligible, and those bonus subsidies went to the insurance companies.

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Well, yeah. That's how paying for insurance works, money goes to the insurance company.

Don't get me started on insurance companies. I'm all for eliminating the entire industry and just going with a single payer plan, but that's another discussion entirely.

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The bottom line is that Democrats are now demanding our hard earned taxpayer dollars be provided to the insurance companies and are willing to make the American people suffer.

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Health care being provided through private health insurance companies is how our health care system has been set up for a while now. The ACA didn't change that.

If you don't like the current health care system that relies on health insurance, I'm with ya. Drop it and adopt a single payer system. I'd vote for that in a heartbeat.

Valletta said:

They are holding our nation hostage, flights are being cancelled, workers are not being paid, people who need food are being denied government benefits. This is not normal government business nor normal negotiation. Changes to healthcare should be discussed and debated in Congressional hearings and meetings.

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They should be, but given that the Republicans have not been willing to negotiate for those changes in good faith, Democrats have no reason to believe they will if Democrats cave and allow health care subsidies to end, as Republicans want.

Right now, as it stands, continuing the shutdown is pretty much the only leverage Democrats have, so we can't blame them for using it.

-- A2SG, you may want to demand that your republican representatives, and their president, start negotiating in good faith for a change....

Quirinius

Dan1988 said:

I'm not sure why you chose to reject the bible doctrines of election and reprobation. I can only assume, it's because your denomination holds to the gospel of Jacob Arminius, instead of the gospel of the Lord Jesus.

Doctrine of election

• Basis: God's sovereign, gracious choice, not based on any foreseen merit, faith, or good works in the individual.
• Purpose: To save some people to display the glory of God's grace.
• Object: Chosen people are "in Christ" and are chosen for adoption into his family.
• Result: Those who are elected will be saved through God's effectual calling, regeneration, and other means of grace.

Doctrine of reprobation

• Basis: God's sovereign decision to pass over some, which is often described as a negative counterpart to election.
• Purpose: To manifest his justice and to highlight the grace of election in contrast to the condemnation of the reprobate.
• Object: Those who are not elected. Their punishment for their sins is a result of their own actions, which God has, in his sovereignty, decided to allow.
• Distinction: Some Reformed theologians distinguish between election and reprobation by noting that election is an active work of God to change a person's heart, while reprobation is God leaving individuals to their sinful state. God does not actively cause the sin of the reprobate; he simply does not work to create salvation in them

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19 You will say to me then, “Why does He still find fault? For who has resisted His will?” 20 But indeed, O man, who are you to reply against God? Will the thing formed say to him who formed it, “Why have you made me like this?” 21 Does not the potter have power over the clay, from the same lump to make one vessel for honor and another for dishonor?​

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1 Peter 2:8 "They stumble because they disobey the word, as they were destined to do".​

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Don’t run from the discussion, explain why God is marveling at their unrepemtance. Or is it just another one of those unexplainable mysteries to you?

The reality of free will sounds like there is some realness, fact or truth about it. Even this is a non verifiable claim. Just like those who say there is no free will.

Sometimes I think the very idea of free will is an idea that stems from a a non belief in God into a belief in whatever it is that has no God or gods that would ultimately judge us.

Because then all human made ideas about judgement and morals and all that are relative. So in some ways fundementally, right at the bottom underneath all the rationalisations this comes down to a belief. One with God and one without where everything is naturalistic and social construction.

Is not the idea of no free will is because we are subject to all sorts of forces, biases and influences based on the material processes. Even religious belief is an evolutionary by product and not real. We made up the gods as a coping mechanism lol.

But outside this limited worldview it seems our lived experiences and reality is that Free Will is real. As real as the chair we are sitting on as far as belief in it. Its just you can't put free will in a test tube.

I would say our lived reality is a reality. The proof is in the pudding so to speak and theres no arguement against it. Because we act like there is free will and we are not fools or are deluded lol. Its real and we don't need all the rationalisation. We just get on with it and live as if free will is as real and the phyical world.

Gamaliel

Pilate's hall

Luke

HIM said:

No it is what is written. 3 questions were asked in verse 3, when shall these things be in regard to the destruction of the Temple. When shall be the sign of Jesus' coming and when shall be the end of the world. What follows is an answer to all three. The audience is any and all throughout the ages until He comes in His glory. How do we know?

Because Grammatically speaking the context is continuous from verse 1 to at least 31 when it speaks of Christ coming with His angels to gather the elect at the end of this world.

How do we know? By His use of words like and, but, then, when wherefore, and so forth. These words connect what is about to be said to what is already said. And they are in the Greek also. So that means up to Christ's coming in the clouds of glory with His angels he expects His followers to still be keeping the Sabbath.


Matt 24:1 And Jesus went out, and departed from the temple: and his disciples came to [him] for to shew him the buildings of the temple.
Matt 24:2 And Jesus said unto them, See ye not all these things? verily I say unto you, There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.
Matt 24:3 And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what [shall be] the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?
Matt 24:4 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.
Matt 24:5 For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.
Matt 24:6 And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all [these things] must come to pass, but the end is not yet.
Matt 24:7 For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places.
Matt 24:8 All these [are] the beginning of sorrows.
Matt 24:9 Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake.
Matt 24:10 And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another.
Matt 24:11 And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.
Matt 24:12 And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold.
Matt 24:13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.
Matt 24:14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.
Matt 24:15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand)
Matt 24:16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:
Matt 24:17 Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house:
Matt 24:18 Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes.
Matt 24:19 And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!
Matt 24:20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:
Matt 24:21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
Matt 24:22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.
Matt 24:23 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here [is] Christ, or there; believe [it] not.
Matt 24:24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if [it were] possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
Matt 24:25 Behold, I have told you before.
Matt 24:26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, [he is] in the secret chambers; believe [it] not.
Matt 24:27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
Matt 24:28 For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together.
Matt 24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
Matt 24:30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
Matt 24:31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

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Hentenza said:

You are stuck in English grammar. Everything reads continuous because it is based on the original writings.The original writing did not contain chapter numbers or even verse numbers. It was written as a scroll. Chapter numbers and verse numbers were added later. lets look at the verses.

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HIM said:

It reads the same in the Greek. You might not want to go down this road my friend. The Greek is what led me to share this.

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Hentenza said:

And yet, your Greek did not prompt you to address my post. Every one has an interlinear these days.

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HIM said:

You might want to look at it then.

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Hentenza said:

So make your case.

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The case was made in the post above that said, "it reads the same in the Greek".
It is your job to prove it doesn't. You yet to do that. You seem to think any answer is the correct one. The lack of depth and unwillingness to put the time in to actually address anything seems to be the norm here.
Sadly, in this case if you had put the time in to look you would have seen what was posted was true and you would have either liked the post or moved on silently in intellectual dishonesty holding onto the false interpretation that you started with.

Be that as it may, you asked so here is the an Interlinear. We went ahead and put a bold emphasis on the words to which you question in respect to whether they were in the Greek. Beside each word is it's translation, it being a Interlinear. If you like we can talk of the grammar and syntax. But it really isn't necessary.

One can clearly see the context is uninterrupted.
Because Grammatically speaking the context is continuous from verse 1 to at least 31 when it speaks of Christ coming with His angels to gather the elect at the end of this world.

How do we know? By His use of words like and, but, then, when wherefore, and so forth. These words connect what is about to be said to what is already said as was already stated to you above. And yes they are in the Greek and are for the most part translated correctly in most of our English translations.

So that means up to Christ's coming in the clouds of glory with His angels Jesus expected His followers to still be keeping the Sabbath. Because no one to whom He was speaking to is alive today to be alive at the time of the tribulation that is not like any before. This tribulation has not happened yet. How do we know?

Because Jesus said Immediately after this tribulation that is shortened so the Elect are preserved, the sun shall be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other. (vs.29-31)

Matt 24:2 ὁ δὲ But Ἰησοῦς Jesus εἶπεν Said αὐτοῖς To Them, Οὐ βλέπετε See Ye Not πάντα All ταῦτα These Things? ἀμὴν Verily λέγω I Say ὑμῖν To You, οὐ μὴ Not At All ἀφεθῇ Shall Be Left ὧδε Here λίθος Stone ἐπὶ Upon λίθον Stone ὃς οὐ μὴ Which καταλυθήσεται Shall Not Be Thrown Down.
Matt 24:3 Καθημένου δὲ And As Was Sitting αὐτοῦ He ἐπὶ Upon τοῦ The Ὄρους Mount τῶν Ἐλαιῶν Of Olives προσῆλθον Came To αὐτῷ Him οἱ The μαθηταὶ κατ' Disciples ἰδίαν Apart, λέγοντες Saying, Εἰπὲ Tell ἡμῖν Us, πότε When ταῦτα These Things ἔσται Shall Be? καὶ And τί What 'Is' τὸ The σημεῖον Sign τῆς σῆς Of Thy παρουσίας Coming καὶ And τῆς Of The συντελείας Completion τοῦ Of The αἰῶνος Age?
Matt 24:4 καὶ And ἀποκριθεὶς Answering ὁ Ἰησοῦς Jesus εἶπεν Said αὐτοῖς To Them, Βλέπετε Take Heed, μή Lest τις Any One ὑμᾶς You πλανήσῃ· Mislead.
Matt 24:5 πολλοὶ γὰρ For Many ἐλεύσονται Will Come ἐπὶ In τῷ ὀνόματί μου My Name, λέγοντες, Saying, Ἐγώ I εἰμι Am ὁ The Χριστός, Christ; καὶ And πολλοὺς Many πλανήσουσιν They Will Mislead.
Matt 24:6 μελλήσετε δὲ But Ye Shall Be About ἀκούειν To Hear Of πολέμους Wars καὶ And ἀκοὰς Rumours πολέμων· Of Wars. ὁρᾶτε μὴ See, θροεῖσθε· Be Not Disturbed; δεῖ γὰρ For It Is Necessary All 'These' πάντα Things γενέσθαι To Take Place, ἀλλ' But οὔπω Not Yet ἐστὶν Is τὸ The τέλος End.
Matt 24:7 ἐγερθήσεται γὰρ For Shall Rise Up ἔθνος Nation ἐπὶ Against ἔθνος Nation καὶ And βασιλεία Kingdom ἐπὶ Against βασιλείαν Kingdom; καὶ And ἔσονται There Shall Be λιμοὶ Famines καὶ And λοιμοί Pestilences καὶ And σεισμοὶ Earthquakes κατὰ In 'Different' τόπους· Places.
Matt 24:8 πάντα δὲ But All ταῦτα These 'Are' ἀρχὴ A Beginning ὠδίνων Of Throes.
Matt 24:9 τότε Then παραδώσουσιν Will They Deliver Up ὑμᾶς You εἰς To θλῖψιν Tribulation, καὶ And ἀποκτενοῦσιν Will Kill ὑμᾶς You; καὶ And ἔσεσθε Ye Will Be μισούμενοι Hated ὑπὸ By πάντων All τῶν The ἐθνῶν Nations διὰ On Account Of τὸ ὄνομά μου My Name.
Matt 24:10 καὶ And τότε Then σκανδαλισθήσονται Will Be Offended πολλοὶ Many, καὶ And ἀλλήλους One Another παραδώσουσιν They Will Deliver Up καὶ And μισήσουσιν Will Hate ἀλλήλους· One Another;
Matt 24:11 καὶ And πολλοὶ Many ψευδοπροφῆται False Prophets ἐγερθήσονται Will Arise, καὶ And πλανήσουσιν Will Mislead πολλούς· Many;
Matt 24:12 καὶ And διὰ Because τὸ πληθυνθῆναι Shall Have Been Multiplied τὴν ἀνομίαν Lawlessness, ψυγήσεται Will Grow Cold ἡ The ἀγάπη Love τῶν Of The πολλῶν Many;
Matt 24:13 ὁ δὲ But He Who ὑπομείνας Endures εἰς To 'The' τέλος End οὗτος He σωθήσεται Shall Be Saved.
Matt 24:14 καὶ And κηρυχθήσεται There Shall Be Proclaimed τοῦτο These τὸ εὐαγγέλιον Glad Tidings τῆς Of The βασιλείας Kingdom ἐν In ὅλῃ All τῇ The οἰκουμένῃ Habitable Earth, εἰς For μαρτύριον A Testimony πᾶσιν To All τοῖς The ἔθνεσιν Nations; καὶ And τότε Then ἥξει Shall Come τὸ The τέλος End.
Matt 24:15 Ὅταν When οὖν Therefore ἴδητε Ye Shall See τὸ The βδέλυγμα Abomination τῆς ἐρημώσεως Of Desolation, τὸ Which ῥηθὲν Was Spoken Of διὰ By Δανιὴλ Daniel τοῦ The προφήτου Prophet, ἑστὸς Standing ἐν In 'The' τόπῳ Place ἁγίῳ Holy ὁ he Who ἀναγινώσκων Reads νοείτω Let Him Understand,
Matt 24:16 τότε Then οἱ Those ἐν In τῇ Ἰουδαίᾳ Judea φευγέτωσαν Let Them Flee ἐπί To τὰ The ὄρη Mountains;
Matt 24:17 ὁ He ἐπὶ On τοῦ The δώματος μὴ Housetop καταβαινέτω Let Him Not Come Down ἆραι To Take τι Anything ἐκ Out Of τῆς οἰκίας αὐτοῦ His
House;
Matt 24:18 καὶ And ὁ He ἐν In τῷ The ἀγρῷ μὴ Field ἐπιστρεψάτω Let Him Not Return ὀπίσω Back ἆραι To Take τὰ ἱμάτια Garments αὐτοῦ His.
Matt 24:19 οὐαὶ δὲ But Woe ταῖς ἐν To Those That γαστρὶ ἐχούσαις Are With Child καὶ And ταῖς To Those That θηλαζούσαις Give Suck ἐν In ἐκείναις Those ταῖς ἡμέραις Days.
Matt 24:20 προσεύχεσθε δὲ And (But) Pray ἵνα μὴ That γένηται May Not Be ἡ φυγὴ ὑμῶν Your Flight χειμῶνος In Winter, μηδὲ Nor ἐν On σαββάτῳ Sabbath :
Matt 24:21 ἔσται γὰρ For There Shall Be τότε Then θλῖψις Tribulation μεγάλη Great οἵα Such As οὐ Not γέγονεν Has Been ἀπ' From 'The' ἀρχῆς Beginning κόσμου Of 'The' World ἕως Until τοῦ νῦν Now, οὐδ No, οὐ μὴ Nor Ever γένηται Shall Be;
Matt 24:22 καὶ And εἰ μὴ Unless ἐκολοβώθησαν Had Been Shortened αἱ ἡμέραι ἐκεῖναι Those Days, οὐκ ἂν Not ἐσώθη There Would Have Been Saved πᾶσα Any σάρξ· Flesh, διὰ δὲ But On Account Of τοὺς The ἐκλεκτοὺς Elect κολοβωθήσονται Shall Be Shortened αἱ ἡμέραι ἐκεῖναι Those Days.
Matt 24:23 τότε Then ἐάν If τις Anyone ὑμῖν To You εἴπῃ Say, Ἰδού, Behold, ὧδε Here 'Is' ὁ The Χριστός, Christ, ἤ, Or Ὧδε, μὴ Here, πιστεύσητε· Believe 'It' Not.
Matt 24:24 ἐγερθήσονται There Will Arise γὰρ For ψευδόχριστοι False Christs καὶ And ψευδοπροφῆται False Prophets, καὶ And δώσουσιν Will Give σημεῖα Signs μεγάλα Great καὶ And τέρατα Wonders, ὥστε So As πλανῆσαι, To Mislead, εἰ If δυνατόν, Possible, καὶ Even τοὺς The ἐκλεκτούς· Elect.
Matt 24:25 ἰδού, Lo, προείρηκα I Have Foretold 'It' ὑμῖν To You.
Matt 24:26 ἐὰν If οὖν Therefore εἴπωσιν They Say ὑμῖν To You, Ἰδού, Behold, ἐν In τῇ The ἐρήμῳ Wilderness ἐστίν, μὴ He Is, ἐξέλθητε· Go Not Forth : Ἰδού, Behold, 'He Is' ἐν In τοῖς The ταμείοις μὴ Chambers, πιστεύσητε· Believe 'It' Not.
Matt 24:27 ὥσπερ γὰρ For As ἡ The ἀστραπὴ Lightning ἐξέρχεται Comes Forth ἀπὸ From 'The' ἀνατολῶν East καὶ And φαίνεται Appears ἕως As Far As 'The' δυσμῶν West, οὕτως So ἔσται Shall Be καὶ Also ἡ The παρουσία Coming τοῦ Of The υἱοῦ Son τοῦ ἀνθρώπου· Of Man.
Matt 24:28 ὅπου γὰρ ἐὰν For Wherever ᾖ May Be τὸ The πτῶμα Carcase, ἐκεῖ There συναχθήσονται Will Be Gathered Together οἱ The ἀετοί Eagles.
Matt 24:29 Εὐθέως Immediately δὲ But μετὰ After τὴν The θλῖψιν Tribulation τῶν ἡμερῶν ἐκείνων Of Those Days ὁ The ἥλιος Sun σκοτισθήσεται Shall Be Darkened, καὶ And ἡ The σελήνη Moon οὐ δώσει Shall Not Give τὸ φέγγος αὐτῆς Her Light, καὶ And οἱ The ἀστέρες Stars πεσοῦνται Shall Fall ἀπὸ From τοῦ The οὐρανοῦ Heaven, καὶ And αἱ The δυνάμεις Powers τῶν Of The οὐρανῶν Heavens σαλευθήσονται Shall Be Shaken.
Matt 24:30 καὶ And τότε Then φανήσεται Shall Appear τὸ The σημεῖον Sign τοῦ Of The υἱοῦ Son τοῦ ἀνθρώπου Of Man ἐν In τῷ The οὐρανῷ Heaven; καὶ And τότε Then κόψονται Shall Wail πᾶσαι All αἱ The φυλαὶ Tribes τῆς Of The γῆς Land, καὶ And ὄψονται They Shall See τὸν The υἱὸν Son τοῦ ἀνθρώπου Of Man, ἐρχόμενον Coming ἐπὶ On τῶν The νεφελῶν Clouds τοῦ οὐρανοῦ Of Heaven μετὰ With δυνάμεως Power καὶ And δόξης Glory πολλῆς· Great.
Matt 24:31 καὶ And ἀποστελεῖ He Shall Send τοὺς ἀγγέλους Angels αὐτοῦ His μετὰ With σάλπιγγος Of A Trumpet φωνῆς Sound μεγάλης Great, καὶ And ἐπισυνάξουσιν They Shall Gather Together τοὺς ἐκλεκτοὺς αὐτοῦ His Elect ἐκ From τῶν The τεσσάρων Four ἀνέμων Winds, ἀπ' From 'The' ἄκρων Extremities οὐρανῶν Of 'The' Heavens ἕως To 'The' ἄκρων Extremities αὐτῶν Of Them.

Moonlight Sonata

friendship.

Friends are . . .

soft armor

FireDragon76 said:

Alot of early British Zionists wanted to support the establishment of a Jewish homeland in Palestine because they thought it would lead support to fulfillment of biblical prophecies.

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From Chaim Weizmann's lips to Louis Brandeis' ears, then on to Woodrow Wilson's. Is that International Jewry?

Gonna play devils advocate here, but.. this was more than 10 years ago, and years before he got into politics. Perhaps he turned over a new leaf?

com7fy8 said:

And may be we could say, "wash your hands after doing the barn work, so now you can go into the house to help your wife with changing the baby".

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Yes however practical that is in your own situation thats going to get you to the next level of responsibility and helping the family and community. It will be different for each person and situation.

The reason I think Peterson is choosing 'clean up your bedroom' as the first step as he is mainly talking to young men or adolescents. You know what boys and young men are like with bedrooms or cleaning lol. Its alos a fundemental practical basis for the military. Get young men disciplined and responsible before they become soldiers. Or Boy scouts ect.

But its a life principle no matter how you apply it. Get your own act together before you save others and the world lol. I think we have a trigger today for hyocrites. The church is seen as one big hyocrite. So even more so Christians have to example what they say.

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And yes . . . if we get real correction with God, first, now we can help others to get real correction >

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Thats agood way to put it. Like a conduit. A conduit between God and others and corrected in Christ and exampling Him. As Christ said He intercedes between God and us through His spirit.

com7fy8 said:

"He can have compassion on those who are ignorant and going astray, since he himself is also subject to weakness." (Hebrews 5:2)

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Yes I think sometimes despite the messy room and all that Christ can penetrate and cut through all that. BUt I think it is on Christ Himself or examples of this reflected that cuts through. Not the laws or judgements that come as a result.

Respect for others is essential.

fli said:

This post asks “So how do you know you are saved??”

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You start with the false assumption that no one is saved without doing something, which clearly isn't true

No one's actions grants them eternal life as if they somehow earned it or deserve it

fli said:

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The above judgment is when those who give a drink of water to the brethren of Jesus get rewarded. The Matthew 25 judgment is the same as the judgment in Revelation 20:11-15. In revelation 20:15 those in the book of life (not the Lamb's book of life) enter into eternal life on the new earth, as flesh and blood and not spiritual beings, and cannot enter heaven. They are not begotten of God.

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Technically only one person was saved. Jesus.

Everyone else who is saved is in Him. So who else is in the picture other than Jesus?

fli said:

No. God did create everyone, but not everyone becomes begotten of God.

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Jesus said we ALL have one Father. Matt. 23:9

So why are you promoting burning God's children alive forever? Seems like a demonic promotion to me

fli said:

You say we are all born of God, you are wrong.

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I gave several specific citings that says all people are saved. It's there to be had if anyone could see it and actually believe it

But when you start wuth a bad assumption you'll have to work backwards to unwind the track you went down

Jesus actually is The Savior of the world

go figure from that point

fli said:

Our progression to being begotten of God follows Jesus' progression. In Matthew 1:20 Jesus was conceived by the Holy Spirit and was called the Son of God.

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You just got lost in a works based system

Jesus didn't work to save Himself nor did He have to

fli said:

John 14:31 But that the world may know that I love the Father, and as the Father gave Me commandment, so I do. Arise, let us go from here. NKJV


After Jesus obeyed the Father to His death.

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With what? A big OR ELSE dangled over His head? I don't buy that story

fli said:

Acts 13:33 God has fulfilled this for us their children, in that He has raised up Jesus. As it is also written in the second Psalm: 'You are My Son, Today I have begotten You.' NKJV

He was called begotten by God after He was crucified.

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You're actually quite off the trinitarian path

Jesus and God are indivisible

fli said:

John 3:3 Jesus answered and said to him, "Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God." NKJV


We are born from above when we believe in Jesus.

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We got here because we have One Father who put us here

fli said:

John 1:12 But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, to those who believe in His name: 13 who were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God. NKJV

We are given the right to become a child of God.

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Some see better in this present life. But none see Perfectly. All will see Perfectly at the completion

fli said:

Romans 8:13 For if you live according to the flesh you will die; but if by the Spirit you put to death the deeds of the body, you will live. 14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, these are sons of God. NKJV

Once we prove we hear and follow the voice of Jesus.

John 10:4And when he brings out his own sheep, he goes before them; and the sheep follow him, for they know his voice. NKJV

We prove that we are one of His sheep and will follow His voice to our death.

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We see because God allows us in early for a partial look. Nothing more. Doesn't make us any better than anyone else, Romans 3:9

fli said:

God knows His sheep will follow the voice of Jesus to their physical death by staying in the Spirit. They will put to death the sins of the flesh and are begotten of God because they died a physical death of their flesh in Jesus.

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I'm not aware that there is anyone who managed to make themselves sinless by any measures.

God saves sinners