Hans Blaster said:

That's not what "avoiding subpoenas" means. "Avoiding subpoenas" is dodging process servers.

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Thank you - I corrected it

Hans Blaster said:

What the Clintons (no apostrophe)

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are doing is negotiating a deposition date (and perhaps intentionally delaying it).

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Not perhaps - they are intentionally using delays - what are they scared of?

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The article implies the negotiations began before the demanded date, so they didn't do that other thing that sometimes happens "failed to appear".

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Re-read the article - it says the depositions were scheduled for October

Gues what - they were delayed again.

See how helpful reading AI facts can be?

Dan1988 said:

Yes, you ought to be shocked. The Bible doctrine of hell, is a very sobering and shocking doctrine to fresh converts and new commers. But I'm sure you will eventually come to the table. You can deny the doctrine, all, you want, but that will never change the truth of the matter.

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I was once at the table, actually, for the first twelve years of my time as a believer. Thirteen years years after that, and I still intend to never return to "the table". Just because eternal torment and inherently immortality of the soul is the popular/mainstream doctrine among Christians doesn't mean it is the correct one. Far as I am concerned, it is worldly, carnal, pagan, and most of all, lacking in Scriptural evidence.

Hentenza said:

You need to stop your Strawman. No where did I call ICE racist. It seems that you have a standard reply to anyone that disagrees with you. I’m not from the left. My issue is with the trampling of the 4th amendment. You know, the constitution? The same constitution that you should be defending?

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The constitution protects from unreasonable searches and seizures. It is not a blanket protection from law enforcement

With over 20,000,000 illegal aliens in the US, now down to probably 18,000,000, the ICE raids are not unreasonable

It is your opinion that illegal immigration is not a problem, but our president disagrees. Article II and current statutes give him the sole discretion to determine what constitutes an invasion, what is a problem and where law enforcement needs to be directed

Latinos can protect themselves by knowing their rights and having proper encounters with law enforcement. If they are citizens, they will enjoy the freedoms that accompany citizenship

Your whining about the 4th amendment does not override article II or article I which gave the president statutory authority. Don’t like him? Vote him out

In the current declaration, it is not unreasonable to question anyone’s immigration status. Citizens need to be prepared to defend their freedom by supporting law enforcement not fighting them. Illegal aliens should live in fear, they are here illegally. Self deport of face law enforcement. They have a choice.



I could see if we were rounding up Latinos and herding them into concentration camps or ghettos, but that it not the case. They are being deported according to the civil penalty that follows their act if they are here illegally.

It is written that a house divided against itself cannot stand. Too long we have been subject to agitators who wish to use the constitution against their own country. The fourteenth amendment does not confer birthright citizenship , and the fourth amendment does not protect against reasonable searches and seizures, the fifth amendment is only applicable if citizens know how to properly invoke it. If they waive their rights knowingly or unknowingly, they are not protected by the fifth amendment.
It is only an opinion that people have about the 4th, 5th, and 14th amendment that causes our current problem , and we had plenty of subversives that wish to use article III against their own country.
Same thing happened to President Lincoln, and he invoked the insurrection act. The Supreme Court will hopefully clarify things soon. That is constitutional, subversive opinion is not

North wind

The north wind doth blow,
And we shall have snow,
And what will the robin do then, poor thing?

He'll sit on a twig,
And we'll feed him some bread,
And he'll sing to say 'Thank you, my friends',
Poor thing!

ICE employee among 16 men arrested in Bloomington sex trafficking sting, police say​

More than a dozen men have been arrested after trying to solicit a minor for sex in Bloomington, Minnesota, police say.

"When he was arrested, he said, 'I'm ICE, boys,'" [Police Chief] Hodges said during a press conference Tuesday. "Well, unfortunately for him, we locked him up."

Several months ago, police conducted a similar sting that led to the arrest of ex-State Sen. Justin Eichorn, who is currently facing federal solicitation charges.

See also:

Dikaioumenoi said:

Respectfully, I'm not here for your entertainment. I've specifically challenged you on this already and you've not engaged that argument. If you are unwilling to do so, that says enough about the strength of your position.

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Dikaioumenoi said:

This reads:

"If he is able, then he has been drawn, and I will raise him up on the last day."

Compare that to what you said:

"All who come have been drawn, and I will raise them up on the last day." (My emphasis)

Your paraphrase collapses ability (q) into actual coming, thereby reading into the verse what John did not say. Yes, of course those who come have been drawn (theologically true), but the grammar of John 6:44 is not framed as "those who come"; it is framed as "those who are made able to come." The final clause then identifies the enabled person as the one Christ will raise.

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But how is that different from my statement, "All who come have been drawn [enabled to come]..."
And of course only enabled persons will come but the verse does not insist or mandate that all who are enabled will come. Grace makes a real change in the person: they are now able to come. Grace is not irresistible.

chevyontheriver said:

If you know the Lutherans got it right but you stay a Methodist because all your friends are there then you could be in big trouble. Follow the truth. Follow it as best you know it. If you don't, if you know something to be true but you don't follow it, how can you make the claim that God should save you?

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I would like to know for sure whether or not this is Catholic doctrine. The two points of particular interest are 1) that acting according to what you believe to be true, even if what you believe to be true is not true in fact, substantiates a claim that God should save you, and 2) that God saves a person based on a judgement that the person acted consistently with his beliefs (no matter how trivial those actions and beliefs were).

Jerry N. said:

There are dozens of real photographs on the internet. It is very beautiful.

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Are these pic's really from the south or are they really all from the north ?

Welcome to the forum @MarcusGregor .

Federal judge orders Arlington, Fort Worth [and a dozen other] ISDs to remove Ten Commandments displays​

A federal judge on Tuesday ordered several Texas school districts to remove Ten Commandments displays from classrooms, issuing the ruling in a lawsuit brought by families who argue the postings violate the Constitution’s ban on government-endorsed religion.

The districts must remove the displays by Dec. 1, and the order will remain in effect while the case continues. This applies only to the districts named in the lawsuit, but the groups behind the case are urging all Texas school districts to avoid displaying the Ten Commandments.

The lawsuit was filed in September when some districts began putting up the posters after an August ruling [post #66] in a different case that called the law “plainly unconstitutional.” That earlier ruling temporarily blocked the law in nearly a dozen other districts across Texas’ largest metro areas. Texas Attorney General Ken Paxton, a vocal supporter of SB 10, has appealed that decision.

Apple Sky said:

Does this really occur in the south pole ? How can it when Antarctica encircles the whole earth - 360° ?

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Aurora australis is very real, and you can ask @prodromos, or anybody else from the southern hemisphere. That’s the point. If the earth was flat, it would not happen. There are dozens of real photographs on the internet. It is very beautiful.

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New data reveals 98 (a significant undercount, but these are verified) Palestinian deaths in Israeli custody since October 7​

Post-mortems of the deceased and testimonies from former detainees suggest many died from torture, medical neglect, and food deprivation. According to a leaked Israeli intelligence database, dozens were civilians​

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The "Palestinian" Centre for Human Rights (PCHR) is a leader in anti-Israel legal campaigns, ignores the existence of terrorism against Israeli civilians, and presents a distorted version of the conflict based solely on the "Palestinian" narrative. It is controlled by Hamas, which undermines the credibility of its reports.

I don't think anyone would question the democratic legitimacy of the US, despite Guantanamo. No matter who the perpetrator is, torturing people is always wrong.

Israel is judged as a democracy, but according to moral criteria that do not apply to any other democracy. When abuses are uncovered, it is seen as ultimate proof of an ‘unjust state’. It is an encouraging sign that such events are coming to light in Israel, even if it hurts and shakes confidence. When Israel examines itself, this is interpreted as proof of injustice.

In war, the horrors experienced repeatedly lead to brutalisation. But in every nation there are also malicious people whom war gives the opportunity to act on their inclinations with little risk of punishment, as there are no surviving witnesses (torture out of malice for their own satisfaction).

But even people who were normal before can slip. Imagine your child or brother is being held hostage and you have one of the suspected accomplices in your custody and want information about where your relative is being held. The temptation to go beyond what is permitted is certainly great (torture out of desperation).

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Does this really occur in the south pole ? How can it when Antarctica encircles the whole earth - 360° ?

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Because Antarctica does not circle the earth, 360 degrees.

I doubt you'll accept that, though.

Servus said:

Try a comparison that actually corresponds to the situation rather than knocking down strawmen.

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I tried to find a scenario as likely as the one you proposed. That was the closest I could get.

-- A2SG, without delving into science fiction.....

East wind

Dikaioumenoi said:

Thank you! So the drawing does not fail, correct? The drawing is an enabling activity which makes salvation possible. The Father's act of drawing actually brings a person from οὐδεὶς δύναται (one position) to δύναται (a different position).

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No, I wouldn't classify it as a change in position.

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In other words, ἑλκύω describes an effectual change of position -- NOT from "able to come" to "irresistibly does so" (I have not once argued this), but from "unable to come" to "able to come."

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Nope, it doesn't change the position...it is the act of drawing itself which creates the possibility, not any metaphysical change in the object being drawn.

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This is why arguing about the semantics of ἑλκύω is irrelevant. It has nothing to do with the question of whether or not those drawn actually come. That is a different question that does not concern semantics. If we can finally agree that ἑλκύω refers to actual movement from the state of "inability" to the state of "ability," and that only, then we can move on to the next question... that being the identity of the one "raised," and how that relates to being drawn.

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So why did you spend such energy arguing the semantics?

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Which question did I change? Quote me. I have not changed a thing throughout our conversation.

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If that act, "the Father draws," can fail, how is one able to come?

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making salvation possible? Or can it fail in making salvation possible?

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One conditions the presence of drawing on the success of the act, and the other speaks only to whether the drawing is what makes salvation a possibility. These are not the same question.

Neo-Nazi leader admits plot to give poisoned candy to Jewish kids in New York ​

Prosecutors described Chkhikvishvili as the leader of the Maniac Murder Cult, an international extremist group that adheres to an ideology that promotes violence intended to trigger a racial and religious war.

[Prosecutors are asking for an 18 year sentence.]

Reprobate losers must tell lies.

TLLLS

Free will is mathematical. It more or less resembles the throwing of a coin with head and tail. With normal distribution, the expected outcome is half and half for the long run. On the other hand, there's always a mathematical probability that it turns out to be all heads but no tail. The nature of free will follows the same mathematical rule. 2/3 angels and 1/3 humans shall be saved, mathematically under a normal distribution. There's always a probability that all are saved. God wishes all saved is actually a mathematical statement.

God's foreknowledge however can tell who exactly that 2/3 angels and 1/3 humans who are eventually saved. It's somehow analogue to this;

If a judge in a human court happens to know clearly that a criminal is guilty, his this foreknowledge is rather irrelevant. A fair and open trial will still be going on for the jury to reach the verdict, disregarding whether the judge knows the criminal and his act beforehand or not.

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It's going back a few years (to Trump 1.0), but this made no more than a ripple in the national news cycle, and certainly not much of a cause celebre.

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This one is more recent. I can't say I recall the original event last year (or I would have brought it up instead of the Portland one). But it was certainly covered in local media. And now the guilty verdict. Perp was a self-confessed homeless meth addict.

Man who stabbed woman in the throat as they rode L.A. Metro is found guilty of murder​

A 45-year-old man who was banned from L.A. Metro trains for past violent acts was convicted Monday in the 2024 stabbing death of a woman on a B Line train who was on her way home from an overnight shift.

Elliot Tramel Nowden offered no reaction as the jury in downtown L.A. found him guilty of murder and robbery in the killing of Mirna Soza Arauz, 67, at the Universal City station in April 2024.

Soza Arauz was working nights as she saved up money to buy a home in her native Nicaragua. She was on her way home from a shift as a security guard at an Original Tommy’s hamburger restaurant in North Hills when Nowden approached her with two knives, stabbed her in the throat and stole her bag, authorities said.

Story doesn't say whether she was here legally or not, so she may not have been an innocent woman in some people's eyes.

Nithavela said:

I mean.. every organisation has people like that. But the way he thinks he can just flex his being part of ICE for special treatment is amusing.

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If only it was a federal crime, hed get a pardon.

sovereigngrace said:

Many on here were deceived by Pretrib growing up, but our eyes have been opened to its folly. You cannot even prove one single claim. You add unto the scriptural text. This is all man-made theories. There is no substance to it. That is because you do not have Scripture to support Pretrib. There is no proof-text in Scripture - that is why you twist a text like Revelation 4.

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In all of Scripture, there is not one verse that specifically locates the rapture before the tribulation.
A pretribulation rapture is the notion of man, based solely in eisegesis, and never even heard of in the church until about 200 years ago.

However, there is teaching which locates the rapture with the final coming of Jesus in judgment (2 Th 1:6-10, 2:1-8),
and there is teaching that there will be no appearance of Jesus until that coming in judgment (Ac 3:21, Heb 9:28).

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Revelation 4:1-2 has absolutely nothing to do with a secret rapture. In fact, note what it actually says and how it compares to similarly worded passages in Revelation. Remember, the safest way to understand Scripture is to compare Scripture with Scripture.

Revelation 4:1-2 commences, “After this (speaking of his supernatural encounter with Christ on Patmos) I looked, and, behold, a door was opened in heaven: and the first voice which I heard was as it were of a trumpet talking with me; which said, Come up hither, and I will shew thee things which must be hereafter. And immediately I was in the spirit: and, behold, a throne was set in heaven, and one sat on the throne.”

There is no allusion here of the Lord descending in the clouds from heaven, there is no mention of the Church, we don’t see the saints rising to meet Him, there is no mention of the dead in Christ being resurrected and those who are alive and remain being caught up, there is no meeting Jesus in the air. It is all an elaborate hoax formulated by men which enjoys no biblical basis for their doctrine.

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Of course it makes salvation possible, and cannot fail in making salvation possible because it is nothing but the presence of a drawing that makes salvation possible.

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Thank you! So the drawing does not fail, correct? The drawing is an enabling activity which makes salvation possible. The Father's act of drawing actually brings a person from οὐδεὶς δύναται (one position) to δύναται (a different position).

In other words, ἑλκύω describes an effectual change of position -- NOT from "able to come" to "irresistibly does so" (I have not once argued this), but from "unable to come" to "able to come."

This is why arguing about the semantics of ἑλκύω is irrelevant. It has nothing to do with the question of whether or not those drawn actually come. That is a different question that does not concern semantics. If we can finally agree that ἑλκύω refers to actual movement from the state of "inability" to the state of "ability," and that only, then we can move on to the next question... that being the identity of the one "raised," and how that relates to being drawn.

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I want to say no such thing, and the fact that you had to ask a different question shows I have addressed your original question. You complain about an Abbot and Costello routine, but why did you feel the need to change your question if it wasn't addressed as stated?

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Which question did I change? Quote me. I have not changed a thing throughout our conversation.

Is it simply because their heritage means less to them?

Shane R said:

He was an older fellow. . . Could be that he's gone home with the Lord. I don't know that but it's a possibility.

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It’s possible, but I think he’s still posting on a different forum. I will not comment further because of the forum TOS.