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iluvatar5150 · 2025-11-05T11:57:10-0600

Fantine said:
Trump created Momdani.

eh… He may have pushed the movement along, but the desire for something different has growing independent of Trump. I’d be more inclined to say that they’re both products of the same forces; the right just got a head start.

seeking.IAM · 2025-11-05T11:55:09-0600

Worshipping any day or every day is not a sin, Sunday included.

I believe the majority of text and law in the Bible is devoted to "rest" and details about how to rest, not about worship. There are travel restrictions on the Sabbath. How far do you live from your church and how do you get there? Does hitting the "ignition" firing sparkplugs in your V-6 violate Sabbath rules on kindling a flame?

Apple Sky · 2025-11-05T11:54:46-0600

Hentenza said:
Provide a verse please.

On the day that the LORD gave the Amorites over to the Israelites, Joshua spoke to the LORD in the presence of Israel: “O sun, stand still over Gibeon, O moon, over the Valley of Aijalon.” 13So the sun stood still and the moon stopped until the nation took vengeance upon its enemies. Is this not written in the Book of Jashar? “So the sun stopped in the middle of the sky and delayed going down about a full day.” 14There has been no day like it before or since, when the LORD listened to the voice of a man, because the LORD fought for Israel. Joshua 10:12

BNR32FAN · 2025-11-05T11:54:22-0600

Hawkins said:
The Christian OT Canon defined by early Christians are in Greek. It is the Septuagint (LXX). You'd better re-read what I wrote!

It’s ironic that the Greek speaking apostolic churches rejected the doctrine of purgatory and only the Latin speaking churches accepted it.

Dikaioumenoi · 2025-11-05T11:53:54-0600

BNR32FAN said:
Like what for example? Be specific, what do you want me to address that I haven’t already addressed?

Is this a serious question or are you just being argumentative? Let's start with your lack of interaction with John 6:44 (post #75). I've asked you repeatedly to engage my argument. Instead, if you've answered at all (most of these requests were ignored), you've only replied with bare assertions and then ignored every follow-up where I've pressed you to substantiate them (example, see 3 of the last 4 quotes).

You've also not had anything to say about the grammatical parallel between 1 John 5:1, 2:29 and 4:7 (post #91). You keep demanding that I defend a claim I never made about verbs entailing sequence, while sidestepping the contextual and syntactical issue I raised there. Again, even if we were to grant what you're saying about John 3:18, it's irrelevant to our discussion, because the argument of the OP reflects a demonstrated pattern of John's usage of the perfect γεγέννηται with a present participle in 1 John. He's making a point with that construction.

Then there's your complete non-engagement with my comments on 2 Peter 3:9 (post #93). You never acknowledged a single exegetical point, yet you brought the verse back up as though nothing had been said.

And the John 12:36 point. I've explained twice now why your use of it is irrelevant to the passage's flow of thought, yet you've offered no exegesis in return. You just keep reiterating a claim the exegesis itself already responds to.

At this stage, this isn't a dialogue; it's one-sided labor. So this is probably my last reply to you unless you can start directly interacting with my exegesis. You're repeating claims while ignoring the analysis that challenges them.

BNR32FAN said:
Are you suggesting that God regenerates people who aren’t saved? I don’t understand what your point is.

You're still not answering the question I asked you. At best, you're deflecting it with more questions. I've asked multiple times why you keep equating salvation with regeneration, and instead of answering, you've simply repeated the same assertion under different wording.

God regenerates His elect -- those whom the Father has given to the Son (John 6:37), granting them new birth (John 1:13; cf. Jas 1:18; 1 Pet 1:3, 23). By virtue of that regeneration, they are enabled to turn to Christ in genuine faith (John 6:44, 65; Acts 13:48). Through that faith, which is itself God's gift (Eph. 2:8-9; Phil. 1:29), they receive the full benefits of salvation: justification (Rom. 5:1), adoption (Gal. 4:4-7), sanctification (1 Cor. 1:30; 1 Thess. 4:3), and glorification (Rom. 8:30).

Regeneration is not the whole of salvation; it is a distinct act within it. It is the impartation of life to those "dead in trespasses and sins" (Eph. 2:1, 5; Col. 2:13), enabling them to hear Christ's voice and live (John 5:25; 10:27-28). It is the ontological ground of faith; we believe because we have been born again, not vice versa. That does not mean, however, that all the other benefits of salvation don't flow through faith as the ordained instrument of their reception (Rom. 5:1-2; Gal. 3:26).

The reason you're confused on my argument is because you're treating "regeneration" and "salvation" as synonyms. Scripture distinguishes those terms. Salvation unfolds in a divine order: election, calling, regeneration, conversion (faith and repentance), justification, adoption, sanctification, and glorification (Rom. 8:28-30; Titus 3:5-7). These terms can overlap contextually, but they are not identical.

My claim is not that "salvation" precedes faith, but that regeneration precedes faith. Regeneration is God's enabling act; faith is man's attendant response. The issue is not whether faith is required for salvation, but why faith is possible at all (John 6:44).

BNR32FAN said:
John 3:18

See post #91 and interact with my comments on 1 John 2:29 and 4:7, please. Repeating questions I've already answered does not advance the discussion. That there is a logical relationship between present participles and perfect indicatives in didactic statements is indisputable. That is simply how Greek grammar functions. What that relationship specifically entails depends on syntax and context. You are ignoring what I have argued concerning both.

BNR32FAN said:
You still have to explain how your interpretation of 1 John 5:1 doesn’t contradict John 12:36.

No, I don't. It is not my responsibility to disprove the claim that there is a contradiction. It is your responsibility to show why you think one exists. 1 John 5:1 addresses the ontological grounds of belief: why some are able to believe at all. See also John 6:44. John 12:36, by contrast, is an exhortation concerning those who have the light and the temporal opportunity to believe. There is no conflict between a statement about the foundation of faith and one about responding to opportunity. The invitation is made regardless of whether one is able to receive it. These are separate issues.

BNR32FAN said:
Why is Jesus telling these people that they have to believe in order to become sons of the Light?

Because they do. We're not disputing whether they must believe. The question we're concerned with is why one is able to believe in the first place.

BNR32FAN said:
Becoming a child of God is synonymous with being born again, it’s the exact same thing.

No, it's not. I've already asked you to defend this claim. What is your argument?

υἱοὶ φωτός is a Semitic idiom. In Hebrew idiom, "sons of ..." describes people identified by a certain quality or sphere (e.g., Eph. 2:2; Luke 10:6; 16:8). The verse is about being identified with the realm of divine truth and righteousness through faith in the Light (Jesus). It's not a statement describing the moment of the new birth. The invitation to faith is simply that: an invitation to faith. The question of its ontological origin is not answered by that invitation itself.

BNR32FAN said:
The only thing 1 John 5:1 tells us is that those who believe are born again. It doesn’t give any indication whatsoever of which event took place first or which event caused the other.

Until you engage my comments on the grammatical and contextual parallel with 1 John 2:29 and 4:7, I will take your repeated non-engagement as a concession on this point.

BNR32FAN said:
John 12:36 specifically tells us exactly which event takes place and which event caused the other.

Then demonstrate exegetically how John 12:36 shows that. Simply asserting it does not engage the textual argument I've already laid out in John 6:44, 12:32, 1 John 5:1, 2:29, or 4:7.

iluvatar5150 · 2025-11-05T11:51:57-0600

Always in His Presence said:
First you use an emoji to mock - then you try to be insulting - neither are winning debate tactics.

No, it was my being correct that was the winning debate tactic.

But you’re right. I’m sorry. I’ll do better next time by reverting to ridiculous hyperbole like equating price controls with totalitarianism.

BBAS 64 · 2025-11-05T11:50:59-0600

Good day,

"God allows us to struggle with sin our whole lives to convince us until our dying breath of our desperate need of the gospel." -John Newton"

Ivan Hlavanda · 2025-11-05T11:47:26-0600

Hentenza said:
I’ve had several people that keep the sabbath argue that the sabbath is a moral commandment, therefore, those that do not worship on Saturday are sinning and consequently living in sin. The poll is self explanatory. If you choose maybe please post why.

Be blessed.

Col 2:16: “Therefore no one is to act as your judge in regard to food or drink or in respect to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath day - things which are a mere shadow of what is to come; but the substance belongs to Christ.' The Sabbath is gone.

The Sabbath was the seventh day of the week. It was instituted under the Mosaic law, between the fall of man and Moses. There were no Sabbath laws. There was no Sabbath observance. That came in the Mosaic law. Centuries went by; none of the patriarchs had any kind of Sabbath laws. On the seventh day, after creation, you remember, God rested and God blessed that day.

Why? As a day that would always be a memorial to the fact that God had created the universe in six days, so the seventh day was always going to be a reminder of God as our Creator. Every Saturday that comes along - which is the seventh day of the week, Sunday being the first day of the week - every Saturday that comes along is a good day for us to remember, first of all, God is Creator. And we have that in our heritage.

When the Mosaic law came along, God ordained a Sabbath day for the people to observe and to obey God, and God put some restraints on them to remind them of their sinfulness. So, every Saturday that comes along kind of has a two-fold role; it causes us to remember God as Creator, and to remember how sinful we really are - and truly we are sinful. But the Sabbath is gone.

It is part of Judaism that has been replaced by the new covenant, and the new covenant has a completely different day. Saturday, reminds us of God as Creator and God as law-giver, and it reminds us of the beauty of God’s creation, the magnificence of His creation, and the sinfulness of our own hearts. But when you come to the new covenant, you have a new kind of observation, not observing God as Creator, not observing God as law-giver, but in the new covenant God is defining Himself as what? Saviour.

So, the new covenant has its own day, a day in which we focus on God as our Saviour, and that's Sunday.

In NT, the Church worshipped on Sunday. For instance, Acts 20:7 states that “on the first day of the week we came together to break bread.” Paul also urges the Corinthian believers, “On the first day of every week, each one of you should set aside a sum of money in keeping with his income” 1 Cor 16:2 . Since Paul designates this offering as “service” in 2 Cor 9:12, this collection may have been linked with the Sunday worship service of the Christian assembly. Historically, Sunday, not Saturday, was the normal meeting day for Christians in the church, and its practice dates back to the first century.

Always in His Presence · 2025-11-05T11:45:51-0600

Desk trauma said:
Just like all those folks who’re heading to Canada when they don’t like the president right?

I dunno - moving an hour away from the city to a country that doesn't have any property tax doesn't seem that far fetched. It's a train ride in. I think that would be worth the money saved along with getting a much larger home for less money.

Mind you - it's from Realtor not a political source.

Cost of living in Manhattan is 50% more than Yonkers (Westchester County). It's an hour away by train.

timewerx · 2025-11-05T11:45:30-0600

eleos1954 said:
Psalm 119:160
The entirety of Your word is truth, and all Your righteous judgments endure forever.

John 17:17, Jesus prayed for the sanctification of His disciples through truth, saying, “Sanctify them in the truth; Your word is truth.”

Jesus always referred to the scriptures (written text) as scriptures and never referred to them as the Word of God

On the other-hand, Jesus personified The Word of God and he also regarded as living or alive or life-giving. Jesus never personified the scriptures.

These not-so-subtle patterns.

Hentenza · 2025-11-05T11:45:29-0600

Apple Sky said:
Well how come God/Joshua stopped the sun & the moon ?

Provide a verse please.

Hentenza · 2025-11-05T11:44:45-0600

eleos1954 said:
7th Day Sabbath worship is our acknowledgement to God as Him being our creator and redeemer. It IS the 4th Commandment. What is sin? Transgression of the Law.

A future time will come when worshiping on Sunday will be considered idolatry, as God's true Sabbath day will be made clear as time goes on.

The consequences of not worshipping on the 7th day are delayed into the future

The conflict between Saturday and Sunday worship is viewed as a final test of allegiance to God versus to the human-made system.

Did you vote?

Apple Sky · 2025-11-05T11:44:31-0600

Hentenza said:
Copernicus believed and had a heliocentric theory. From AI:

“Polish astronomer Nicolaus Copernicus (1473-1543) proposed the heliocentric model, which placed the sun at the center of the solar system, with the Earth and other planets orbiting it. Copernicus's model was controversial at the time, but it marked the beginning of the Scientific Revolution and a shift in how people viewed the world. “

It marked the beginning of the biggest lie ever told.

eleos1954 · 2025-11-05T11:43:36-0600

NewLifeInChristJesus said:
So you are saying that every sinner is completely lost?

A person can be "permanently lost" if they persistently reject the Holy Spirit's guidance, which is considered the unforgivable sin (blasphemy of the Holy Spirit). This is a deliberate, willful, and ongoing rejection of the path to salvation.

The lost can be found.

God does not passively wait for people to come to Him. Rather, He actively seeks out those who are lost until they are found. The shepherd leaves the 99 sheep to go after the one that is lost, demonstrating God's persistent and personal pursuit.

ALL have sinned ... all start out in a "lost condition" ... that can be changed by the power on the Holy Spirit.

Always in His Presence · 2025-11-05T11:43:11-0600

iluvatar5150 said:
Then perhaps you should read a book on something like history or systems of government. Heck, even a dictionary would enlighten you.

First you use an emoji to mock - then you try to be insulting - neither are winning debate tactics.

Apple Sky · 2025-11-05T11:40:03-0600

Hentenza said:
We don’t. The earth revolves around the sun. That is fully proven.

Well how come God/Joshua stopped the sun & the moon ?

essentialsaltes · 2025-11-05T11:37:05-0600

BPPLEE said:
the man allegedly “exited his vehicle wielding a hammer and threw rocks at law enforcement while he had a child in his car.”

What would you have them do?

Not drive a US citizen toddler to an ICE facility.

Ulfxd · 2025-11-05T11:36:26-0600

My situation is…. desperate, i ve hit rock bottom and i honestly dont know what to do or why this is happening .
I ve lost my mom 2 years ago, and 3 months ago my father passed away after a long battle with lung cancer . I did everything I could to help care for him but it was too late, he had metastasis as well.
To manage my dad took out a huge loan from the bank and because i used to work part time I cosigned the loan.
Im 24 , im in debt up to my ears, I literally cant borrow more from anywhere, I have left for this month under 2 euros and i just finished the last of my food this morning. I sold everything valuable I could except this phone because I need it for University .
The last of my money went on rent, dad didnt have anything to leave me, i wish he would have never went away, my mom too.
I didnt sleep last night, im depressed I dont know what to do or how to survive, i got hired again at the begining of the month, and even if its really hard im managing it a long with my university exams. The only problem is I get paid on the 2 nd of November . I cant survive for a month on basically nothing.
I have no friends I can rely on or ask for help, i cant get a cash advance at work because I just got hired , i cant borrow more from the bank, i ve searched for food banks but I have none in my city or food charities ( Im not from the USA, im from a small town in Eastern Europe ). I kept praying through all this and asked God for help but even at church all they can help me with is prayers ( i ve hinted to a priest i m hungry and didnt eat and that i cant survive but he told me to just pray, and I did … and tried to find help but couldnt).
It took me 30 minutes to write this and i have so much anxiety my heart feels like it will explode, i ve always tried to be strong but I have no physical way to survive on nothing until the end of the month and have no way of getting help while i work and study. Even today i asked a colleague to borrow me some money but he made me feel bad for asking.
I am all alone in this, and I honestly plan on ending my life tonight . Maybe I did something bad for God to give me all these hardships, i miss my family so much and maybe this is the answer to seeing them again, my mom was my rock, my dad too, and now in all alone and help less.
Im sorry if this is a sensitive topic and maybe not the right place, but I finally feel a bit better for taking this decision and the mental and physical pain from not eating, stomach acid reflux on my ulcers…. I just feel too tired .
Thank you for reading .

eleos1954 · 2025-11-05T11:36:15-0600

Hentenza said:
I’ve had several people that keep the sabbath argue that the sabbath is a moral commandment, therefore, those that do not worship on Saturday are sinning and consequently living in sin. The poll is self explanatory. If you choose maybe please post why.

Be blessed.

7th Day Sabbath worship is our acknowledgement to God as Him being our creator and redeemer. It IS the 4th Commandment. What is sin? Transgression of the Law.

A future time will come when worshiping on Sunday will be considered idolatry, as God's true Sabbath day will be made clear as time goes on.

The consequences of not worshipping on the 7th day are delayed into the future

The conflict between Saturday and Sunday worship is viewed as a final test of allegiance to God versus to the human-made system.

Hentenza · 2025-11-05T11:35:41-0600

Apple Sky said:
By whom, Copernicus ? His version was only theories which they decided to make official.

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Copernicus believed and had a heliocentric theory. From AI:

“Polish astronomer Nicolaus Copernicus (1473-1543) proposed the heliocentric model, which placed the sun at the center of the solar system, with the Earth and other planets orbiting it. Copernicus's model was controversial at the time, but it marked the beginning of the Scientific Revolution and a shift in how people viewed the world. “

Say it aint so · 2025-11-05T11:34:48-0600

essentialsaltes said:
The IG review was completed in September, but it's a secret. People are suing to release it.

American Oversight Seeks Release of Pentagon Inspector General’s Report on Secretary Hegseth’s Signal Use - American Oversight

We filed a FOIA request for the DOD watchdog’s review of auto-deleting messaging app use for official business.

americanoversight.org

But of course.......

Say it aint so · 2025-11-05T11:33:09-0600

Frankly all this gerrymandering is horrible and should not be.
There should be commissions in every state.
We can thank this conservative SCOTUS for this hot mess.

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