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rjs330 · 2025-11-06T04:57:14-0600

rambot said:
Grrr!!!! How frustrating it just be for you to see (rereads post...) children not starving.

I have just decided to ignore you on this topic. You just canr help but be disingenuous about what people say and assign the worst of intentions upon people.

Abraham1st · 2025-11-06T04:54:51-0600

Anyone else need a little correcting, just let me know if I am required.

Abraham1st · 2025-11-06T04:54:02-0600

Hentenza said:
Some can. It all depends what you do with your faith.

““Now this is the parable: the seed is the word of God. And those beside the road are the ones who have heard, then the devil comes and takes away the word from their heart, so that they will not believe and be saved. Those on the rocky soil are the ones who, when they hear, receive the word with joy; and yet these do not have a firm root; they believe for a while, and in a time of temptation they fall away. And the seed which fell among the thorns, these are the ones who have heard, and as they go on their way they are choked by worries, riches, and pleasures of this life, and they bring no fruit to maturity. But the seed in the good soil, these are the ones who have heard the word with a good and virtuous heart, and hold it firmly, and produce fruit with perseverance.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭8‬:‭11‬-‭15‬ ‭NASB2020‬‬

Luke 8:11-15 “Now this is the parable: the seed is the word of God. And those beside the road are the ones who have heard, then the devil comes and takes away the word from their heart, so that they will not belie | New American Standard Bible - NASB

“Now this is the parable: the seed is the word of God. And those beside the road are the ones who have heard, then the devil comes and takes away the word from their heart, so that they will not belie

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Matthew 13:37 He answered and said unto them, He that soweth the good seed is the Son of man;
38 The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one;
39 The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels.
40 As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world.
41 The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity;
42 And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.
43 Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.

Dan1988 · 2025-11-06T04:51:00-0600

BNR32FAN said:
So what about Ezekiel 18? The entire chapter repeatedly explains the same message over and over in detail. In Ezekiel 18 God specifically states that ALL SOULS ARE HIS. Then He says the exact same thing that He says in Ezekiel 33:11 in the context of ALL SOULS, NOT just the house of Israel. The context is that the soul of the father and the soul of the son belong to Him and the soul who sins will die. And if the father is righteous but the son is wicked the father will not be punished for the sins of the son and vice versa. And verse 23 says the exact same thing as Ezekiel 33:11.

“Do I have any pleasure in the death of the wicked,” declares the Lord God, “rather than that he should turn from his ways and live?”
‭‭Ezekiel‬ ‭18‬:‭23‬ ‭NASB1995‬‬

And in verse 29 “God’s elect” (the house of Israel) says…

“But the house of Israel says, ‘The way of the Lord is not right.’ Are My ways not right, O house of Israel? Is it not your ways that are not right?”
‭‭Ezekiel‬ ‭18‬:‭29‬ ‭NASB1995‬‬

Furthermore there were numerous Gentiles who also found favor with God in the Old Testament. Able, Enoch, Enoch, Lamech, Noah, Shem, Japheth, Job, Lot, Melchizedek, Abimelech, Hagar, Rahab, Nebuchadnezzar, Darius, I mean I could go on, none of these people were Jews. These people found favor with God because they humbled and subjected themselves to Him. So Ezekiel 33:11 obviously applied to these people as well. Nothing about finding favor with God had changed throughout the entire Old Testament.

It seems that you have not made the distinction between (National Israel, the blood relatives of Abraham) and (Spiritual Israel, the elect of God). These are not the same people, being related by blood, doesn't mean automatic salvation, as you are trying to imply here.

Spiritual Israel is the Church, the Church has always been and will always be made up of born again Christians. Abraham was a born again Christian, he placed his faith in the Lord Jesus for his salvation and so did Moses, David, and all of Gods people from the old testament.

The only difference between Abraham and myself, is he looked forward to the coming Saviour and I look back to the same Saviour for the forgiveness of my sins. Both of us were saved by the same Saviour, even though neit5her of us met Him, because were separated by thousands of years.

Abraham1st · 2025-11-06T04:50:57-0600

eleos1954 said:
A person can be "permanently lost" if they persistently reject the Holy Spirit's guidance, which is considered the unforgivable sin (blasphemy of the Holy Spirit). This is a deliberate, willful, and ongoing rejection of the path to salvation.

The lost can be found.

God does not passively wait for people to come to Him. Rather, He actively seeks out those who are lost until they are found. The shepherd leaves the 99 sheep to go after the one that is lost, demonstrating God's persistent and personal pursuit.

ALL have sinned ... all start out in a "lost condition" ... that can be changed by the power on the Holy Spirit.

Now looking at how things actually work and how they actually are, the doctrine was delivered and obeyed from the heart, it entered into the heart by being wholly believed, this is how anyone becomes the SERVANTS OF RIGHTEOUSNESS. ( not by being HALF HEARTED.)

Now they are ASHAMED of the things they did while SERVING SIN.

Now they were MADE FREE FROM SIN, and BECOME SERVANTS TO GOD, their fruit UNTO HOLINESS, the end in that path...EVERLASTING LIFE.

But the wages of sin are DEATH, the gift of God is ETERNAL LIFE THROUGH JESUS CHRISIT OUR LORD. ( not through these empty disputes/contentions/strivings)

Romans 6:16 Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?
17 But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin, but ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you.
18 Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness.
19 I speak after the manner of men because of the infirmity of your flesh: for as ye have yielded your members servants to uncleanness and to iniquity unto iniquity; even so now yield your members servants to righteousness unto holiness.
20 For when ye were the servants of sin, ye were free from righteousness.
21 What fruit had ye then in those things whereof ye are now ashamed? for the end of those things is death.
22 But now being made free from sin, and become servants to God, ye have your fruit unto holiness, and the end everlasting life.
23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

This is the RECORD THAT GOD HAS GIVEN TO US ETERNAL LIFE, AND THAT LIFE IS IN HIS SON.

He that HAS THE SON HAS LIFE, and he that HAS NOT THE SON OF GOD HAS NOT LIFE. (He that believes on the Son has everlasting life: and he that believes not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abides on him.)

These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that you may know that you have eternal life, and that you may believe on the name of the Son of God.

If these men who have life, they ask according to His will, as we KNOW THAT HE HEARS US, whatever we ask we receive of Him. (
whatsoever we ask, we receive of Him, because we keep His commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight/faith.) if they see their brother sin, what is not unto death, he asks and life is give him life for them that sin not unto death.

He does not pray for the sin that is unto death.

ALL UNRIGHTEOUSNESS IS SIN, and there is a sin not unto death.

WHOSOEVER IS BORN OF GOD DOES NOT SIN, BUT HE THAT IS BEGOTTEN OF GOD KEEPS HIMSELF, AND THAT WICKED ONE ( OF SIN) TOUCHES HIM NOT.

That is knowing WE ARE OF GOD, and the WHOLE WORLD LIES IN WICKEDNESS.

We know the SON OF GOD IS COME ( MANY ANTICHRISTS DECEIVE MANY/DENY CHIRST HAS COME IN THE FLESH) and has GIVEN US AN UNDERSTAANDING THAT WE MAY KNOW HIM THAT IS TRUE, AND WE ARE IN HIM THAT IS TRUE, EVEN IN HIS SON JESUS CHRIST, THIS IS THE TRUE GOD, AND ETERNAL LIFE.

John 3:36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.

1 John 3:22 And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him, because we keep his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight.

1 John 5:11 And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son.
12 He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life.
13 These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.
14 And this is the confidence that we have in him, that, if we ask any thing according to his will, he heareth us:
15 And if we know that he hear us, whatsoever we ask, we know that we have the petitions that we desired of him.
16 If any man see his brother sin a sin which is not unto death, he shall ask, and he shall give him life for them that sin not unto death. There is a sin unto death: I do not say that he shall pray for it.
17 All unrighteousness is sin: and there is a sin not unto death.
18 We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not.
19 And we know that we are of God, and the whole world lieth in wickedness.
20 And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.
21 Little children, keep yourselves from idols. Amen.

rjs330 · 2025-11-06T04:49:52-0600

iluvatar5150 said:
Getting a roommate does the same thing to one’s housing expenses.

I love it when people want to focus in yhe minutiae instead of focusing on the larger point. I could have written a very long dissertation to avoid a post loke yours, but I though, nah, he'll get the point. I guess I was wrong.

iluvatar5150 said:
Again, the financial stability of marriage is a product of marriage selecting for people who are financially stable, not a product of the relationship:

Nope it a product of the relationship. Been there done that, seen it over and over in everyone I have ever met. Its been that way forever. And there are psychological reasons for it because you are no longer just trying to work for yourself.

sjastro · 2025-11-06T04:47:09-0600

stevevw said:
But this is the exact narrative that the OP is questioning. That human knowledge and tech must advance from simple and primitive to complex and modern. A similar epistemics to material sciences and gradualism and reductionism. Each step explained within a certain paradigm.

Whereas I keep saying that knowledge and tech can be alternative to what the modern idea of knowledge and tech is. Outside the box so to speak. Like stone softening. I mentioned that ancients may have had knowledge of how nature works being more immersed in it because they were naturally more conscious of nature.

So the tech maybe something completely different to how we have progressed tech today.

The other point is that knowledge and tech may come and go. So 1,000s of years ago ancients were creating precision works and megaliths and then they disappeared fairly quickly. Along comes a new lot of people who find these works who themselves don't understand how the ancients made them.

So they inherit them while being less advanced themselves. They start again and develop theior own style and method. Each overlapping sometimes where different methods advanced and simple exist together sometimes. Or multiple methods from across time accumulated in one site.

Theres all sorts of possibilities for how knowledge comes and goes, peaks and declines or gets lost and rediscovered including new ways.

You just don't get do you?
Try to understand if a lathe was developed by some culture to produce granite vases there would be a considerable impact on their toolkit in the form of stone knives, spear tips, arrowheads, axe heads, flint tools etc. In this case the toolkit would change from a knapped process to a smoother and sharper toolkit.
If there is zero evidence of the knapped process changing, then it is the existing toolkit that produces the granite vase not a lathe.

A2SG · 2025-11-06T04:43:56-0600

rjs330 said:
Its common sense. Let's just say that someone is making $20 an hour. They live in an apartment that costs 1500 a month. Then they marry someone who is making $24 an hour. They just d I bled their income and the cost to one for the apartment has just dropped in half. Irs not rocket science. In this case it's a priven fact all over, no matter how you slice it that marriage will help you be more financially secure as long as you have two responsible adults.

iluvatar5150 said:
Getting a roommate does the same thing to one’s housing expenses.

Or, if a couple doesn't want to get married, they can just "live in sin." Same benefits all around, and you don't have to commit to anything.

-- A2SG, seems an ideal solution....

Apple Sky · 2025-11-06T04:35:37-0600

Dogs systematically mind posts ........

iluvatar5150 · 2025-11-06T04:34:59-0600

rjs330 said:
Its common sense. Let's just say that someone is making $20 an hour. They live in an apartment that costs 1500 a month. Then they marry someone who is making $24 an hour. They just d I bled their income and the cost to one for the apartment has just dropped in half.

Getting a roommate does the same thing to one’s housing expenses.

rjs330 said:
Irs not rocket science. In this case it's a priven fact all over, no matter how you slice it that marriage will help you be more financially secure as long as you have two responsible adults.

If it’s not rocket science, why do you have such a hard time grasping it? Is this gonna be like that time I had to explain to you the difference between mean and median multiple times?

Again, the financial stability of marriage is a product of marriage selecting for people who are financially stable, not a product of the relationship:

Marriage: Cause or Mere Indicator of Future Earnings Growth? - PMC

The hypothesis that marriage increases men's earnings has contributed to legislative support for the Healthy Marriage Initiative (HMI). However, previous studies of this phenomenon have not controlled for many relevant characteristics that select ...

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

rjs330 · 2025-11-06T04:34:44-0600

rambot said:
you ACTUALLY believe that's true and are not smart enough to just do it.

Or he's just more ethical and doesn't feel its right to live off his neighbors. Unlike far too many poor people who have been incentivized to stay living off their neighbors instead of bettering themselves.

Abraham1st · 2025-11-06T04:25:51-0600

A Devil's Advocate said:
Clearly you are a force to be reckoned with in a debate.

I don't mind debating, but it is a sign of people not knowing the difference between the knowledge of good and the knowledge of evil.

Genesis 2:9 And out of the ground made the Lord God to grow every tree that is pleasant to the sight, and good for food; the tree of life also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of knowledge of good and evil.

Psalm 119:66 Teach me good judgment and knowledge: for I have believed thy commandments.
67 Before I was afflicted I went astray: but now have I kept thy word.
68 Thou art good, and doest good; teach me thy statutes.
69 The proud have forged a lie against me: but I will keep thy precepts with my whole heart.
70 Their heart is as fat as grease; but I delight in thy law.
71 It is good for me that I have been afflicted; that I might learn thy statutes.
72 The law of thy mouth is better unto me than thousands of gold and silver.

Proverbs 19:1 Better is the poor that walketh in his integrity, than he that is perverse in his lips, and is a fool.
2 Also, that the soul be without knowledge, it is not good; and he that hasteth with his feet sinneth.
3 The foolishness of man perverteth his way: and his heart fretteth against the Lord.

Ecclesiastes 2:26 For God giveth to a man that is good in his sight wisdom, and knowledge, and joy: but to the sinner he giveth travail, to gather and to heap up, that he may give to him that is good before God. This also is vanity and vexation of spirit.

Jeremiah 4:22 For my people is foolish, they have not known me; they are sottish children, and they have none understanding: they are wise to do evil, but to do good they have no knowledge.

Romans 1:28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;
29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,
30 Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,
31 Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:
32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.

Romans 15:13 Now the God of hope fill you with all joy and peace in believing, that ye may abound in hope, through the power of the Holy Ghost.
14 And I myself also am persuaded of you, my brethren, that ye also are full of goodness, filled with all knowledge, able also to admonish one another.

Romans 16:17 Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them.
18 For they that are such serve not our Lord Jesus Christ, but their own belly; and by good words and fair speeches deceive the hearts of the simple.
19 For your obedience is come abroad unto all men. I am glad therefore on your behalf: but yet I would have you wise unto that which is good, and simple concerning evil.
20 And the God of peace shall bruise Satan under your feet shortly. The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you. Amen.

Colossians 1:3 We give thanks to God and the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, praying always for you,
4 Since we heard of your faith in Christ Jesus, and of the love which ye have to all the saints,
5 For the hope which is laid up for you in heaven, whereof ye heard before in the word of the truth of the gospel;
6 Which is come unto you, as it is in all the world; and bringeth forth fruit, as it doth also in you, since the day ye heard of it, and knew the grace of God in truth:
7 As ye also learned of Epaphras our dear fellowservant, who is for you a faithful minister of Christ;
8 Who also declared unto us your love in the Spirit.
9 For this cause we also, since the day we heard it, do not cease to pray for you, and to desire that ye might be filled with the knowledge of his will in all wisdom and spiritual understanding;
10 That ye might walk worthy of the Lord unto all pleasing, being fruitful in every good work, and increasing in the knowledge of God;
11 Strengthened with all might, according to his glorious power, unto all patience and longsuffering with joyfulness;
12 Giving thanks unto the Father, which hath made us meet to be partakers of the inheritance of the saints in light:
13 Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son:
14 In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins:

James 3:13 Who is a wise man and endued with knowledge among you? let him shew out of a good conversation his works with meekness of wisdom.
14 But if ye have bitter envying and strife in your hearts, glory not, and lie not against the truth.
15 This wisdom descendeth not from above, but is earthly, sensual, devilish.
16 For where envying and strife is, there is confusion and every evil work.
17 But the wisdom that is from above is first pure, then peaceable, gentle, and easy to be intreated, full of mercy and good fruits, without partiality, and without hypocrisy.
18 And the fruit of righteousness is sown in peace of them that make peace.

Abraham1st · 2025-11-06T04:23:30-0600

A Devil's Advocate said:
I did not say that sin doesn't lead to death. I said that sin is not a direct cause of death.

In Rom 5:12 Paul tells us that sin entered the world through one man and death through sin... First off, sin was already in the world (the serpent deceiving Eve was a sinful act), so Paul isn't speaking of the world in a literal or physical sense. He is speaking within the context of man's relationship with God where, up until that point, there was no sin within their relationship. He then says, very specifically, that death entered through sin. He did not say it was caused by sin. The reason death entered through sin is because God, due to His nature, has to punish sin. That punishment was spiritual death caused by God separating Himself from Adam.

Lets put it in order.

This is a battle between subtilty and simplicity, the devil offers corruption, and Christ gives incorruptibility.

So to simplify matters as told here, if he comes and preaches another Jesus, whom the apostles of the Lord have not preached, another spirit which we have NOT RECEIVED, another gospel which we have NOT ACCEPTED, we bear with that one.

They DESIRE OCCASION, which is CUT OFF FROM THEM, that is what they GLORY IN, but they are FOUND to be, FALSE APOSTLES, DECEITFUL WORKERS, TRANSFORMING THEMSELVES into the apostles of Christ, satan HIMSELF is TRANSFORMED into an angel of light, his MINISTERS also be TRANSFORMED as the ministers of righteousness, THEIR END SHALL BE ACCORDING TO THEIR WORKS.

2 Corinthians 11:3 But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.
4 For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him.

2 Corinthians 11:12 But what I do, that I will do, that I may cut off occasion from them which desire occasion; that wherein they glory, they may be found even as we.
13 For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ.
14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.
15 Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.

God did not reprimand the serpent until the woman had told to God what she had done, and she acknowledges that the serpent beguiled her.

God then sets judgement on the serpent, but only after the act was committed.

That is what happened in Genesis, it does not matter what translations may say, it is in that order, and apostle Paul cannot speak any different way, than the way it was done.

So by what was committed, sin entered into the world, that is Adams transgression, an act of disobedience that the law also enforces, by death on all who were disobedient against it., the same way. (death reigns by the law, by being put to death for offences committed, and by dying in their sins, as the sacrifices of the law were never able to fully take away the conscience of sins.)

The man who does not fall into Adams transgression again, ( all those who are in the law are transgressors.) is BLESSED, to ENDURE TEMPTATION, because this is being tried and they receive the CROWN OF LIFE, which the Lord has PROMISED TO THOSE THAT LOVE HIM.

No man can say when he is tempted, that God is tempting him, as God CANNOT BE TEMPTED WITH EVIL, neither temps he ANY MAN, but EVERY MAN IS TEMPTED WHEN HE IS DRAWN AWAY OF HIS OWN LUST, and ENTICED. ( so the serpents beguiling of Eve was not his sin, but sin entered the world when Adam transgressed/then the devil is cursed, as is seen, that that is the moment and that it is the right moment.)

Then when lust has conceived, it brings forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death. ( NO SUCH THING AS SPIRITUL DEATH, that would be another Jesus, another gospel.)

Genesis 3:13 And the Lord God said unto the woman, What is this that thou hast done? And the woman said, The serpent beguiled me, and I did eat.

Genessis 3:14 And the Lord God said unto the serpent, Because thou hast done this, thou art cursed above all cattle, and above every beast of the field; upon thy belly shalt thou go, and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life:

Romans 5:12 Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:
13 (For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law.
14 Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come.

Hebrews 10:1 For the law having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect.
2 For then would they not have ceased to be offered? because that the worshippers once purged should have had no more conscience of sins.
3 But in those sacrifices there is a remembrance again made of sins every year.
4 For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins.

James 1:12 Blessed is the man that endureth temptation: for when he is tried, he shall receive the crown of life, which the Lord hath promised to them that love him.
13 Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man:
14 But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed.
15 Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death.

Sin did not come to Jesus, when the tempter came to Him forty days in temptation, but Jesus was hungry and did not do as He may have done, to be as Adam to take off what was forbidden, and Jesus Christ in simplicity, against the corruption of the devil, kept to what was right and did not take bread from stones. ( the faith of Christ, He showed us against what we saw in Adam, and against the lie of the serpent, we do live by every word that proceeds out of the mouth of God, and Adam died by not believing in that, as do all who are UNBELIEVERS).

Jesus did all He did to destroy that devil, even TAKING PART IN FLESH AND BLOOD, to DESTROY HIM THAT HAD THE POWER OF DEATH. ( THROUGH DEATH, IT DEMONSTRATED HE COULD NOT BE HELD IN IT, WHICH DELIVERS THEM WHO THROUGH FEAR OF DEATH WHERE ALL THEIR LFIETIME SUBJECT TO BONDAGE/SIN.)

He took on Him the seed of Abraham, in all things t was correct for Hm to be made like unto HIs brothers, to be a merciful and FAITHFUL High priest, in things pertaining to God, to make RECONCILIATION FOR THE SINS OF THE PEOPLE.

So reconciling what Adam had failed to do in is temptation and through the beguiling of Eve by the devil, Jesus Christ our Lord suffered being tempted, then is able to SUCCOUR THEM THAT ARE TEMPTED.

Luke 4:2 Being forty days tempted of the devil. And in those days he did eat nothing: and when they were ended, he afterward hungered.

Matthew 4:3 And when the tempter came to him, he said, If thou be the Son of God, command that these stones be made bread.

Hebrews 2:14 Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil;
15 And deliver them who through fear of death were all their lifetime subject to bondage.
16 For verily he took not on him the nature of angels; but he took on him the seed of Abraham.
17 Wherefore in all things it behoved him to be made like unto his brethren, that he might be a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make reconciliation for the sins of the people.
18 For in that he himself hath suffered being tempted, he is able to succour them that are tempted.

7thKeeper · 2025-11-06T04:21:21-0600

BPPLEE said:
It’s in Genesis chapter 6

...9.

Apple Sky · 2025-11-06T04:19:27-0600

prodromos said:
Still an empty response. No explanation of why is offered, but we all know you don't have any viable explanation.

The sun is not 93,000,000 miles away & I've explained why this is, your video explains nothing but one big fairy tale.

sjastro · 2025-11-06T04:17:57-0600

stevevw said:
"Horribly confused" lol. When people use such dramatic language I know they are more invested that the actual topic. I will have to go back and make a list of all the names you have used. Its getting quite long now.

The rest of the sentence which you conveniently omitted provided the context.
Not only are you confused but disingenuous by cherry picking.

stevevw said:
Yes for the predynastic vases. I said of the obelisk that not all were made by later dynasties like the 18th. We have evidence for this. I said that the earliest obelisks and columns are the best and all made of the granite and the later ones of softer stone like sandstone and less quality.

So now you are trying to spin doctor your way out by making up BS that the earliest obelisks were made out granite and 18th dynasty obelisks were poor and softer stone imitations.

Obelisk	Pharaoh	Dynasty	Period	Original Location	Current Location	Material	Status / Notes
Sun Temple Obelisk Remains	Userkaf	5th	Old Kingdom	Saqqara (Abusir Sun Temple)	Saqqara	Limestone core (granite cap lost)	Integrative proto-obelisk architecture
Sun Temple Obelisk Remains	Nyuserre	5th	Old Kingdom	Abu Ghurab Sun Temple	Abu Ghurab	Limestone w/ granite apex originally	Earliest clear Benben obelisk form
Obelisk Fragments (Pyramid Complex)	Teti	6th	Old Kingdom	Saqqara	Saqqara	Limestone (possible granite casing)	Fragmentary bases near entrance
Heliopolis Obelisk (Al-Masalla)	Senusret I	12th	Middle Kingdom	Heliopolis	Heliopolis	Aswan red granite	Only intact MK obelisk still at original site
North Karnak Obelisk	Thutmose I	18th	New Kingdom	Karnak	Karnak	Red granite	One of a pair; the other removed
Hatshepsut’s South Karnak Obelisk	Hatshepsut	18th	New Kingdom	Karnak	Karnak	Pink granite	Tallest surviving in Egypt (~29 m)
Fallen Karnak Obelisk	Hatshepsut	18th	New Kingdom	Karnak	Karnak	Pink granite	Broken where quarry flaws exist
Luxor Temple Obelisk (Remaining)	Ramesses II	19th	New Kingdom	Luxor Temple	Luxor Temple	Red granite	Pair sent to Paris
Abu Simbel Paired Solar Obelisks*	Ramesses II	19th	New Kingdom	Abu Simbel	Abu Simbel	Granite	Stela-obelisks flanking façade
Unfinished Obelisk	Hatshepsut?	18th	New Kingdom	Aswan Quarry	Aswan Quarry	Pink Aswan granite	Shows quarrying technique failures

Over a hundred years of archaeological diggings proves you as being dishonest as it was the earliest obelisks in the Old Kingdom were made of limestone, smaller and far less intricate than their 18th dynasty counterparts.
Given the evidence how do you explain the 18th dynasty Egyptian obelisks lacking the super technology of their Old Kingdom counterparts are made of harder stone and more intricate?

Once again it gets back to the obvious answer which you cannot accept the Egyptians did just fine with simple tooling.

stevevw said:
The OP video is about a giant flaw in the narrative of human history relating to advanced knowledge and tech. Examples can be given from any time. But the earliest advanced knowledge is the most out of place. Look at the 2,100-year-old Antikythera Mechanism. Is that not advanced tech for its age.

No I am not saying that the obelisks were made by dolerite pounders. If they were made the same way as the unfinished obelisk then the science shows they could not have been completely made of dolerite pounders in any dynasty.

As usual don’t let the facts get in the way, what was the purpose of hundreds of dolerite pounders found in a granite quarry for making obelisks?

stevevw said:
See how you inject unnecessary biases into what is suppose to be objective. You qualify a word, not any evidence or explanation. But a single word in a negative way to undermine its importance.

Call it what you like but its a descriptor about the marks on the object that identify the maker or method. Like a literal signature. Or you could call them 'witness marks' as the marks suggest a method or tool.

Are you seriously saying we cannot tell by the style, precision, material, and other markers anything about who made the works and when they were made in general. So we can tell say the old kingdom granite works from the new kingdom. Is there no markers we can use.

I find it amusing how you engage in psychoanalytical claptrap when you have no idea of the context.

Let me make it as simple as possible for you to comprehend, the signature for Old Kingdom obelisks using New Kingdom obelisks as the reference is they are clearly inferior in every respect.
Ironically the New Kingdom did have the benefit of superior technology, they used bronze tools which being harder than copper did not wear out as quickly increasing the efficiency rate of production.

stevevw said:
No one ever said that say a stone vase cannot be made by hand. Look at Olgas vases (though she cheated on one). But we see examples of hand made vases I linked that were pounded, chiselled and rubbed into existence. Many made by the bore stick and they look slightly warped as a result because the bore stick leaves that kind of signature.

The same with all tools. No one says there was not copper saws cutting soft and hard stone. Someone over 1,000s of years come along and tried that method and did not know of any other method. The same with the

Now try explaining why 18th dynasty obelisks are superior to their Old Kingdom counterparts without the use of hi tech.

stevevw said:
Lol thats all you have been doing. Telling me how rediculous and stupid I and the testers are and how I must wake up to myself and agree with you. Like I am in trouble or something because I was a naughty boys lol.

I didn't need the caption. I knew it was early and Neolithic. Once again you assume things.

Cherry picking as you have demonstrated in this thread is either deliberate or a sign of limited comprehension. Your response clearly indicated you did not take the caption into consideration.

stevevw said:
So your logic is because we find the vases and primitive knapped knives and tools together the same culture must have made them.

I am not fixed on the vases being made even earlier that the Naqada period. In fact we have evidence for such. I am saying that the mainstream narrative is that the vases were made by the Naqada people. I am saying if so they must have had some sort of lathing because the signatures match lathing. Yet they had no laths and not even the wheel. I said this 10 times or more.

But I never said that the Naqada people did not also knap flint tools. You seem to think that either two different methods could happen at the same time. Or that two different methods can be found in the same site from different times.

I actually said earlier that its strange that everything about the Naqada people is primitive and these precision vases look out of place to the level of tech they had for everything else they did.

It suggests that like Djoser who inherited these vases that the Naqada people may have also inherited them.

I think this is more a conspiracy than saying a lathe was involved. It blindly accepts without any evidence at all that a certain method was used. Simply because these were found at the same site.

If someone built a house over an earlier house and some coins were found. Would that mean the earlier house was made when the later coins were made because they happen to be in the site.

Here we have another example of your dishonesty or lack of basic comprehension skills, if the claim is now the granite vases predates the Naqada period then why have you posted this on numerous occasions in this thread?

"The metrology done by Maximus was also done on the Naqada vases and several fell in the precise class."

Precision of the Naqada Period Stone Vessels
Abstract
I analyzed 3D scans of 19 Naqada period stone vessels from the Petrie Museum of Egyptian and Sudanese Archaeology using the same algorithm and code as for Matt Beall’s collection. The analysis clearly shows that the examined Predynastic stone vessels were crafted with technical sophistication comparable to modern technology. The remarkable precision of the stone vessels, which starkly contrasts with the capabilities of late Neolithic societies, suggests these artifacts originate from a previously unrecognized, technologically advanced culture capable of rotational accuracy rivaling modern tools.

stevevw said:
Actually I haven't. This is a strawman. How can I admit the obelisks were made by pounders when I just linked a paper saying they could not have been used to make the obelisks.

Once again explain.
(1) Why are 18th dynasty obelisks superior to Old Kingdom obelisks despite lacking the supposedly high technology of the Old Kingdom.
(2) Explain the presence of dolerite pounders at the Aswan granite quarry?

BelieveItOarKnot · 2025-11-06T04:17:01-0600

fhansen said:
Oh, so God created everyone to be sinners. Wow, what a god.

Read it and weep:

Romans 11:32

For God has bound everyone over to disobedience so that he may have mercy on them all.

fhansen said:
Jesus came to heal the sick, but He can't do it.

Pretty sure believers still get sick. But there is a deeper type of sickness that can't be seen, nor will God eradicate it til the end of their time.

fhansen said:
Anyone who does God's will, with the help of His medicine His grace, by the Spirit, is a hypocrite.

Hypocrities are easily spotted. They think they're better than the other sinners.

They always promote works, to prove they are sinless or to prove to themselves and others they'll be saved.
They seldom claim they are present tense sinners
And they NEVER claim their own sin is "of the devil."

But it's not really the people doing the above anyway. It's the disobedience that God bound everyone with.

We're just supposed to know the cause and have dominion over, not eradication. Doesn't make us any better and a lot of times worse.

Eph. 2:2
Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience:

God bound everyone to the spirit of disobedience.

Some have a slice of honesty to see it, and admit it. Doesn't make them (or me) any better than any common sinner. But it might be better than being a lying hypocrite.

iluvatar5150 · 2025-11-06T04:15:05-0600

Hans Blaster said:
He's turning the WH into a wedding venue.

I mean… He likes weddings so much, he’s had three of them.

rjs330 · 2025-11-06T04:13:09-0600

Tropical Wilds said:
So you’re working and being outsmarted

Unethical people dont care if you work hard. They spend all their time trying to figure out how to ripp off their neighbors. Meanwhile the ethical people are just going to work everyday.

FenderTL5 · 2025-11-06T04:12:23-0600

ArmyMatt said:
I think he’ll be more of an obnoxious fad. he’s not very articulate or smart sounding.

Which, for me, begs the question; why would Fr Josiah give two hoots promoting him or his ilk? Why would any Orhodox Christian promote this?
I don't understand.

prodromos · 2025-11-06T04:09:06-0600

Apple Sky said:
Your lucky, I was just going to give you the laughing emoji

Still an empty response. No explanation of why is offered, but we all know you don't have any viable explanation.

Tom D · 2025-11-06T04:08:38-0600

Will do, utterly hostile.......

DSMP

BelieveItOarKnot · 2025-11-06T04:08:23-0600

Hans Blaster said:
We don't know how lucrative those things are for the Trump boys, so we can't say which is worse.

Crooked politicians are news to you?

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