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Kathleen30 · 2025-12-10T05:43:20-0600

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Strong in Him said:
No.
The Bible reveals God; it does not give a detailed account of how he created.

What does that mean?
Genesis 2 was in the Bible long before the mid twentieth century.

I said "several", not "seven".
My point was that they believed that different gods were responsible for different parts of creation. Moses wanted people to know that one God created everything.

Because he wasn't.
The immediate group of people that he wrote for were Israelites; former Hebrew slaves who, if they knew any science, certainly didn't know what we know today.

If he had been writing specifically for scientists, he would have given lots of scientific detail, because that's what they would have been interested in.

Of course it is.
But scientists - and most people - are wise enough to know that they don't look in the Bible for scientific information - there isn't any.
Someone studying Zoology/chemistry/Physics would be given textbooks in those subjects to teach them about animals, plants, chemicals, atoms etc etc. They would not be given a copy of the Bible - that information is not in there.

I didn't say it did have anything to do with different creations.
My point was that if people take ALL of the Bible to be literal, they will have to explain the differences between Genesis 1&2.

I know.

I never said any of that; you're missing my point.
I said that if people take ALL of the Bible to be literal, they have to explain the differences between Genesis 1 and Genesis 2. Genesis 1 says that God created trees, animals, water etc. Genesis 2 doesn't say that. It tells of a garden with a river that divides and goes into other countries.
If someone believes that every word of the Bible is literal; which account do they go with?

No idea.
But you only need to worry about that if you believe that every word of the Bible is literal and that Genesis 1 & 2 are literal, scientific accounts of God's creation.

I don't believe they are, and for me, there is no problem or contradiction.

Stonginhim in my post 2549 I asked you whether you were referring to the creation account as one of the parts of the Bible that shouldn’t be taken literally. You said yes . In the bottom part of your post 2560. You write much about contradictions in the creation accous of Genesis 1 and Genesis 2 you kept back and forth pointing out alleged problems if taken literally. My apologies there is a doctrine that promotes 2 seperate creation accounts in Genesis 1 and 2 that’s what I thought you were referring too. But no I still disagree that there any contradictions in those two chapters in taking the chapters literally. I’m not saying the entire Bible should taken literally . Ok . But Genesis 1 and 2 I have no problem taking them as literal accounts . We disagree on issue

Dan1988 · 2025-12-10T05:42:53-0600

2PhiloVoid said:
You're not actually paying attention to anything I'm saying, are you? I'm not sure how we can have a productive discussion, let alone fellowship, if you refuse to listen or even learn from additional Trinitarian Christians other than your one local minister.

And according to you, what is the difference between a 'truth claim' and a 'fact'?

No one was addressing whether or not the sun will keep rising and setting. Your bringing that up is a fallacy called a 'red-herring.' I suggest you avoid repeating this fallacy going forward into the future.

I don't understand why you're having such great difficulty in distinguishing the difference between the Lord Jesus who said He is the Truth, and fact about nature. It's as though you've lumped the Lord Jesus, together with His creatin. I'm sure you know that the Lord Jesus created everything that exists, but He's not a part of any created thing, He is separate and outside of His creation.

The sun is a thing, it only serves the purpose it was created for, but it is an inanimate object and it is truly dead. It must obey The Lord Jesus, so it is governed by the fact that it must rise and set at the same time everyday. That is a fact, no different to any other fact which the created order must obey. But the Lord is the Truth, He is not a fact!!!

samaus123456789 · 2025-12-10T05:40:35-0600

Water baptism in the NT served as a temporary covenant marker for Judeans and proselytes, replacing circumcision as the sign of entry into the Jesus movement. Its main purpose was to show unbelieving Judeans that God was forming a new covenant community that would replace the old. Once Jerusalem fell in AD 70 and the end of the Mosaic covenant and Christianity split visibly, this outward Judean-focused sign was no longer needed. Spirit baptism became the full and final marker of the people of God.

I think belief in Jesus is all that is needed. Water baptism never helped me. Maybe it helps others don't know.

The Liturgist · 2025-12-10T05:37:17-0600

Tom8907 said:
Thankyou, yes I am Anglican but this is the part where I say I'm from the Reformed camp and because of my denomination's poor state I attend a 'particular Baptist church'

In the US, we have the Reformed Episcopal Church which unlike ECUSA, which went even more sharply in the direction that the C of E is headed (and in the process lost more than two thirds of its members), but in much of greater London, a Baptist church might well be the only convenient option (if you were a conservative Anglo Catholic or High Church, there would be more options, but on the Reformed end of the spectrum, options are particularly limited, and of course the United Reformed Church which absorbed almost all Congregationalist and Presbyterian churches is far to the left of the C of E even now, being at least on a par with the Scottish Episcopal Church - alas, in Scotland a traditional Anglican would be out of luck.

samaus123456789 · 2025-12-10T05:33:41-0600

chat GPT

⭐ **1. Peter rebukes Jesus for predicting His death**

Matthew 16:21–22

From that time Jesus began to show His disciples that He must go to Jerusalem and suffer many things… and be killed, and on the third day be raised.
But Peter took Him aside and began to rebuke Him, saying, “Far be it from You, Lord! This shall never happen to You.”

Peter literally refuses to believe it.

⭐ 2. The disciples are “filled with grief” and do not accept it

Matthew 17:22–23

“The Son of Man is about to be delivered into the hands of men, and they will kill Him, and He will be raised on the third day.”
And they were exceedingly sorrowful.

Their reaction shows they reject the idea — they do not believe it can happen.

⭐ 3. The disciples “did not understand” what Jesus meant

Mark 9:31–32

He was teaching His disciples, saying to them, “The Son of Man is going to be delivered into the hands of men. They will kill Him, and after He is killed, He will rise the third day.”
But they did not understand this saying, and were afraid to ask Him.

Jesus says it plainly.
They cannot comprehend it.

⭐ 4. Luke says it was “hidden” from them because they could not accept it

Luke 9:44–45

“The Son of Man is about to be delivered into the hands of men.”
But they did not understand this statement; it was concealed from them so that they might not perceive it… and they were afraid to ask Him.

They literally cannot process the prophecy because it contradicts their expectations.

⭐ 5. They again fail to understand His prediction

Luke 18:31–34

He took the Twelve aside and said to them, “Everything written about the Son of Man by the prophets will be fulfilled… they will flog Him and kill Him, and on the third day He will rise.”
But they understood none of these things.
This saying was hidden from them, and they did not grasp what was said.

The Gospel explicitly states three times that they did not understand.

⭐ 6. After Jesus rises, they STILL don’t believe the prediction

Luke 24:25–26 (Jesus rebukes them)

“O foolish ones, and slow of heart to believe all that the prophets have spoken! Was it not necessary that the Christ should suffer these things…?”

They should have believed, but they didn’t.

Luke 24:6–8

“He is not here, but has risen… Remember how He told you…”
And they remembered His words.

This implies they ignored or forgot His repeated warnings.

⭐ 7. Even the women’s report of the empty tomb is not believed

Luke 24:10–11

But these words seemed to them an idle tale, and they did not believe them.

Even after being told He rose — just as He predicted — they still refuse to believe.

⭐ 8. Cleopas confirms that the disciples did not believe Jesus’ predictions

Luke 24:21

“We had hoped that He was the one who was going to redeem Israel.”

They expected a conquering Messiah — not a crucified one — which is why they couldn’t accept His predictions.

⭐ SUMMARY

Jesus predicted His death and resurrection many times, but:

Peter rejected it
The disciples could not understand it
It was hidden from them because of their wrong expectations
They were afraid to ask
Even after the resurrection they still doubted

⭐ 1. All passion predictions are addressed to “the disciples” or “the Twelve,” not Mary

✔ Matthew 16:21–23

Audience: The disciples, especially Peter.
Mary is not present.

✔ Matthew 17:22–23

Audience: The disciples gathered in Galilee.
Mary is not present.

✔ Matthew 20:17–19

Audience: The Twelve alone, privately on the road.
Mary is not present.

✔ Mark 8:31–33

Audience: The disciples, with Peter rebuking Him.
Mary is not present.

✔ Mark 9:30–32

Audience: His disciples, in secret.
Mary is not present.

✔ Mark 10:32–34

Audience: The Twelve, walking ahead of the crowds.
Mary is not present.

✔ Luke 9:22

Audience: The disciples.
Mary is not present.

✔ Luke 9:44–45

Audience: His disciples, again in private.
Mary is not present.

✔ Luke 18:31–34

Audience: The Twelve, explicitly named.
Mary is not present.

✔ John 12:23–33

Jesus speaks of His coming death indirectly to a crowd, but not with explicit details like in the Synoptics.
Mary is not mentioned as present.

⭐ 2. The only “Mary” who appears near these moments is Mary of Bethany — not Jesus’ mother

In John 12:7, Mary of Bethany anoints Jesus for burial.
This is not Mary His mother.

⭐ 3. Mary the mother of Jesus appears rarely during Jesus’ public ministry

These are the only major appearances:
- Luke 2 (childhood)
- Luke 8:19–21 – Jesus’ family tries to see Him
- John 2 – Wedding at Cana
- John 19:25–27 – At the cross
After Jesus begins His adult ministry, Mary is not mentioned in teaching scenes except indirectly.

She is never mentioned in:
- Passion predictions
- Discussions about His mission
- Private teachings to the Twelve
- Explanations of His suffering
⭐ 4. Mary did not travel with the Twelve

Jesus’ core traveling ministry circle included:
- The Twelve
- Some women who supported the ministry financially (Luke 8:2–3), including “Mary called Magdalene,” Joanna, Susanna
Notice: Mary the mother of Jesus is not listed among His traveling companions.

She lived in Nazareth, not traveling continually with Him.

⭐ 5. Therefore Mary likely did NOT hear the passion predictions first-hand

She may have later learned them secondhand, after the resurrection, when the disciples finally understood what Jesus had been saying.

But Scripture does not place her:
- At Caesarea Philippi
- On the Galilean roads
- On the way up to Jerusalem with the Twelve
- In private apostolic teaching moments
  ⭐ 1. Why Jesus only told the Twelve about His death: Jesus restricted His passion predictions to the Twelve because they were His covenant witnesses, the foundation stones of the church, the ones entrusted with the mysteries of the kingdom, and the only group responsible for preaching His death and resurrection after He ascended. Jesus said in Matthew 13:11, “To you it has been given to know the secrets of the kingdom,” which means He purposely withheld deeper truths from the crowds and even from His own extended family. He also wanted to prepare the apostles for leadership by giving them privileged knowledge that would make sense only after the resurrection. Jesus often taught them privately (Mark 4:34; Mark 9:30; Mark 10:32), and the passion predictions occur only within these private instruction moments. Therefore Jesus intentionally spoke of His death only to the Twelve because they were the inner circle chosen to interpret and proclaim His sacrifice to the world.
  
  ⭐ 2. What Mary actually understood about Jesus’ mission: Mary understood that Jesus was the Messiah, the Son of God, and the fulfillment of the promises given in the Law and the Prophets, but she did not understand the details of His death and resurrection. Luke 2:19 and Luke 2:51 both say Mary “treasured all these things in her heart,” which means she reflected deeply but did not fully grasp the prophetic meaning. Simeon’s prophecy in Luke 2:34–35 told her that a “sword would pierce her own soul,” pointing to Jesus’ suffering, but Mary still did not have the clear theological picture the apostles received. Nothing in the Gospels indicates that Mary knew Jesus had to be crucified for sin. Instead she believed He was the promised King who would save Israel, but the mechanism (atonement through suffering and resurrection) was not yet revealed to her.
  
  ⭐ 3. Whether Mary understood the resurrection before it happened: There is no textual evidence that Mary the mother of Jesus understood the resurrection beforehand. Jesus told the Twelve repeatedly, “He will be killed and on the third day rise,” but Mary was never present for those teachings. Even the apostles did not believe until after the empty tomb, as shown in Luke 24:25–26 and John 20:9. If the Twelve—who heard the predictions directly—did not understand the resurrection until after it happened, then Mary, who never heard those predictions, almost certainly did not understand it either. Mary Magdalene and the other women came to the tomb with burial spices (Luke 24:1), which proves they were not expecting resurrection that morning; and the Gospels never describe Mary the mother of Jesus having any foreknowledge. She believed Jesus was the Messiah but not that He must suffer and rise again.
  
  ⭐ 4. Why all the disciples rejected the idea of a suffering Messiah: The disciples rejected Jesus’ predictions of His death because Jewish expectation at the time was for a conquering military Messiah who would overthrow Rome, restore David’s kingdom, and bring national liberation. A crucified Messiah made no sense to them and contradicted everything they assumed about God’s plan. Peter’s rebuke (“This shall never happen to You,” Matt 16:22) shows how deeply ingrained this expectation was. They had no theological category for a dying Messiah until after the resurrection opened their minds to understand the Scriptures (Luke 24:45). Isaiah 53 and Psalm 22 were not interpreted as Messianic by most Jews at the time. Therefore the disciples rejected Jesus’ passion predictions because they believed Messiah meant victory, not suffering; kingdom power, not humiliation; immediate glory, not atonement through death.

stevevw · 2025-12-10T05:32:57-0600

Whats the go with a reverend doxing ICE agents because she believes this is spreading Christs love. What a weird way to do that. This is bad fruit.

I think it shows how far political ideology has entered the church.

Normandt · 2025-12-10T05:31:06-0600

Homily, Thursday, December 11 2025

Isaiah 41:13-20

“I will open up rivers on the bare heights, and fountains in the broad valleys; I will turn the wilderness into a marshland, and the dry ground into springs of water.”

Let us welcome God’s grace and watch our lives become an oasis within ourselves and for others.

Matthew 11:11-15

“Among those born of women there has been none greater than John the Baptist; yet the least in the kingdom of heaven is greater than he.”

The balance between greatness and smallness is found in the person who lives freely and welcomes God’s presence into their life.

Biblical texts: NAB-RE

Normand Thomas.

Apple Sky · 2025-12-10T05:30:45-0600

David Lamb said:
Why did Roald Amundsen, Robert Falcon Scott, Ernest Shackleton, Ranulph Fiennes, and the many others who have reached the South Pole not encountered such an ice wall?

No idea, would have to research them all before I can answer your question.

Nithavela · 2025-12-10T05:27:49-0600

mindlight said:
FYI, London is not in the EU. The principle of subsidiarity is the working principle of the EU devolving decisions to the lowest levels at which effective choices can be made. Making Berlin the EU capital was the historical ambition of the Third reich and its bid is still handicapped by the history there. NATO is the defense alliance in the region and there is now deepening collaboration between UK, France and Germany as well as other countries in Europe like Norway for example

We don't want the EU in our capital. We barely have enough room there for our own stuff.

Besides, we'd probably still have to move all that stuff to Strassburg periodically because France.

samaus123456789 · 2025-12-10T05:27:46-0600

Why are there so many false teachers in the Christian religion? chat GPT:

⭐ 1. The Bible explicitly predicts many false teachers would arise
Jesus, Paul, Peter, John, and Jude all warned that false teachers would be numerous, not rare.

Matthew 24:11 — “Many false prophets will arise and deceive many.”
2 Peter 2:1 — “There will be false teachers among you.”
1 Timothy 4:1 — “In later times some will depart from the faith.”
1 John 4:1 — “Many false prophets have gone out into the world.”

The New Testament treats false teachers as inevitable, not surprising.

⭐ 2. Christianity grew explosively — where truth spreads, counterfeits follow
Christianity became the largest global religion. Wherever something becomes widespread:

false versions
distortions
opportunists
cults
inevitably appear.

Big movements attract:

sincere seekers
confused people
manipulators
power-hungry leaders

The church grew faster than any institution in history, which made it a target.

⭐ 3. Spiritual warfare: deception is Satan’s primary tactic
The Bible teaches that spiritual deception is the devil’s main strategy.

2 Corinthians 11:14–15 — Satan “masquerades as an angel of light,” and so do his servants.
Genesis 3 — The first sin entered through false teaching.
Revelation 12 — Satan “deceives the whole world.”

False doctrine is a spiritual attack on God’s people.

⭐ 4. Human nature prefers easy, comfortable teachings rather than truth
Paul says people will turn from sound doctrine because they want something pleasant:

2 Timothy 4:3 — “People will gather teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear.”

False teachers thrive because humans:

dislike conviction
prefer comfort to obedience
want blessings without repentance
like teachers who promise prosperity, miracles, and shortcuts

People gravitate toward messages that feel good, not messages that demand holiness.

⭐ 5. Many want authority, money, or influence
Paul lists motivations of corrupt teachers:

money (1 Tim 6:5)
power (3 John 9–10)
sexual immorality (Jude 4; 2 Pet 2:14)
fame (Gal 6:12–13)

Religious leadership offers:

financial gain
social status
blind loyalty from followers
power over people's lives

Wherever there is opportunity, corruption appears.

⭐ 6. Christian language is easy to imitate externally
Anyone can:

quote Scripture
use spiritual vocabulary
preach emotionally
claim revelation
claim miracles
call themselves “prophet,” “apostle,” or “anointed”

But doctrine, character, and fruit expose the difference.

Christianity’s open structure makes it easy for false teachers to sound Christian while opposing the gospel.

⭐ 7. Christians are commanded to test everything — but many do not
Scripture repeatedly says to test teaching:

1 Thess 5:21 — “Test everything.”
1 John 4:1 — “Test the spirits.”
Acts 17:11 — Bereans examined Scripture daily.

When Christians:

do not study the Bible
rely on feelings
follow personalities over Scripture
neglect discernment

false teachers flourish.

⭐ 8. The last days intensify deception
Biblical eschatology says deception will increase as history moves forward:

Matthew 24:24 — false Christs, false prophets, great signs
2 Thess 2:9–11 — deception among those who “refuse to love the truth”
1 Timothy 4:1 — “deceitful spirits and teachings of demons”

The Bible’s expectation is that false teaching increases, not decreases, near the end.

⭐ 9. False teachers exist because true teaching exists
Wherever there is:

a real Christ → false christs
a real gospel → false gospels
real apostles → false apostles
real miracles → counterfeit miracles

If Christianity were false, there would be no reason to counterfeit it.
The presence of counterfeits highlights the value of the genuine.

⭐ 10. God uses false teachers to purify and test His people
Shockingly, Scripture says God allows false teachers to exist for a purpose:

Deuteronomy 13:3 — God allows false prophets “to test you, to know if you love the LORD your God.”
1 Corinthians 11:19 — “There must be factions among you so that those who are approved may be recognized.”

False teaching exposes:

who loves truth
who seeks holiness
who follows Christ vs. who follows personalities

It separates genuine disciples from nominal believers.

David Lamb · 2025-12-10T05:15:00-0600

Apple Sky said:
Yes there has what about Admiral R. Byrd & all his fleet of ships in 'Operation High Jump' ? Why do you think they called it 'Operation High Jump' ?

I have only heard about Admiral Byrd through your posts. Are you saying he jumped over the supposed huge ice wall? Why did Roald Amundsen, Robert Falcon Scott, Ernest Shackleton, Ranulph Fiennes, and the many others who have reached the South Pole not encountered such an ice wall?

Nithavela · 2025-12-10T05:14:14-0600

Landon Caeli said:
Yeah, let's get back to talking about the united States, even though we don't live there. Because nobody is permitted to speak of Europe. Wow.

This is directed at the US government telling Europe what to do, not at forum members talking about europe. I also dislike being told to shut up on this forum because I'm not a US american, a christian or some other entity.

As a person living in the EU I say, talk about EU politics all you want (as long as you do it according to forum rules and try to be somewhat factual). I explicitly endorse people looking outside of their own country and learning about the wider world.

I don't mind people on this forum having an opinion on what europeans or the EU should do. I DO mind foreign politicians trying to influence us by browbeating.

7thKeeper · 2025-12-10T05:05:20-0600

Oompa Loompa said:
It has been collapsing for the past 25 years.

I'm sorry, but just saying that without any reason behind it isn't very convincing.

Oompa Loompa said:
Rampant liberalism and unchecked immigration.

Immigration is quite checked, actually. And how is liberalism (not sure if you are referring to how a good portion of USA defines it vs how Europe would define it) a political failure any more than conservatism?

Oompa Loompa said:
Lack of fundamental rights.

How is that a reason behind the fine? If you don't want to discuss the actual reason for the fine, just stop discussing it, but it really isn't hard to go ahead and read the reasons, the text isn't even long. I mean, you are making it very clear you didn't bother to read a little bit.

Oompa Loompa said:
By the way, the topic and question that was asked in the poll, what whether the EU should remain. I answered, "Yes," but it doesn't matter because the Moors have conquered, or will conquer them soon for a second time.

... Ooookay.

Bradskii · 2025-12-10T05:05:18-0600

Valletta said:
...more difficult for the nation’s poor citizens poor to find affordable housing and health care?

I have to say that as satire...this leaves something to be desired. Tell them that they need to try harder.

Apple Sky · 2025-12-10T05:00:16-0600

David Lamb said:
Nobody who has been to Antarctica has encountered a huge wall of ice encircling the earth.

Yes there has what about Admiral R. Byrd & all his fleet of ships in 'Operation High Jump' ? Why do you think they called it 'Operation High Jump' ?

Apple Sky · 2025-12-10T04:51:54-0600

Strong in Him said:
Yes, but that's got nothing to do with whether people can understand/study science and know God.

I blame space science & Hollywood movies.

King James Bible
For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;

David Lamb · 2025-12-10T04:46:00-0600

Apple Sky said:
It is Antarctica that encircles the earth, as ice melts at 33 degrees, therefore lets hope Antarctica doesn't have a heat wave,

But you keep saying that with no evidence. Nobody who has been to Antarctica has encountered a huge wall of ice encircling the earth. Certainly if all the ice ant Antarctica or the Arctic were to melt, it would cause problems. I imagine that the melted ice would cause sea-levels to rise.

Apple Sky · 2025-12-10T04:39:40-0600

David Lamb said:
Whatever has the melting point of ice got to do with the shape of the earth?

It is Antarctica that encircles the earth, as ice melts at 33 degrees, therefore lets hope Antarctica doesn't have a heat wave,

Aryeh Jay · 2025-12-10T04:26:04-0600

I am pleased to see so many people enjoy having others doing the killing for them who may face trials in the future while they stay safe and sound at home.

Aryeh Jay · 2025-12-10T04:18:54-0600

Great, another American city will now turn into a hotbed of illegal drug activity, crime, and debauchery. I give it a week before communist Cuban flags are flying everywhere and Spanish in spoken openly in the streets and shops. Good job Democrats.

A2SG · 2025-12-10T04:15:41-0600

Oompa Loompa said:
Deflection? I think i have been pretty clear whwre I stand. Yes. I want to see all these murdering rapist dead. The world would be a much better place if they all just had a heart attack. Whether by bomb in international waters, or by an executioner after months of trials and legal processes. The end is still the same, but the former is much quicker and cheaper. What I don't get is why you are trying to play "gotcha" when I am saying, "Darn right! Blow the trash into fish chum. Give them the same compassion, empathy, and consideration that they give to their customers who die from their product. Then let God figure out the rest." Now I hope you are done doing whoever it was you are trying to do. But from my perspective, it appeard to be a lot of nonsensical and emotional rantings about things you do not understand. Have I made myself clear, or do you wish to continue your creepy rants?

So the ends justify the means, is that the contention? It doesn't matter what laws are broken, what war crimes are committed, so long as the goal, death to those suspected of running drugs, is achieved?

I'm guessing the principle of the presumption of innocence has been abandoned now? Gee, and it was touted so strongly back when Donald Trump was on trial for criminal fraud.

-- A2SG, almost as if people believed in that sort of thing.....

samaus123456789 · 2025-12-10T04:14:03-0600

I didn't realise I posted something like this already :doh:

Studyman · 2025-12-10T04:05:47-0600

Dan1988 said:
That's right I don't need Jesus or His warnings, because I already have Him. I would only need Him if I didn't already have Him. I don't need Peters teachings, because I already know what He taught.

I was simply pointing out that Peter and Jesus' teaches that God gives His Spirit to those who obey Him. You know this you say, but still teach a different gospel.

I think Jesus warned His People not to do such things.

Dan1988 said:
I'm very much aware of the fact that the majority o professing Christians reject the awful truth of the gospel. And I already know they are in for a horrible shock on judgement day.

This would be those who called Jesus Lord, Lord, and were "very much aware" of what Jesus and Peter taught, but lived by another gospel, Yes?

Dan1988 said:
I'm not sure what you mean by saying "I still need Jesus and His instructions and warnings". I don't know of anyone who claimed we no longer need Him. Salvation is not a one time deal and then we run off to live your best lives now.

Here, let me show you the words of someone who claims they no longer need Him. "That's right I don't need Jesus or His warnings, because I already have Him."

Dan1988 said:
How on earth did you arrive at the conclusion that "If" means "it is"??? your theology is riddled with inconsistencies.

Well it's for sure someone's "theology is riddled with inconsistencies".

Dan1988 said:
The Lord said "if it were possible" meaning that it's not possible but you twist it to mean that it's not only possible but probable and that is twisting Gods Word upside down.

There are lots of folks who call Jesus Lord, Lord, who claim to be the very elect. Paul warned that the Law and Prophets was written specifically for our admonition, the "our" here being those who "by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality". (Rom. 2:7)

He specifically pointed out who needs to take heed.

Wherefore let him that "thinketh he standeth" take heed lest he fall. (1 Cor. 10:1-12)

I don't believe Paul was "twisting Gods Word upside down" here, any more than I believe Peter was lying to us when HE told us who God gives His Holy Spirit to.

But clearly there are many "who come in Christ's Name" that imply in their theology that they did.

Dan1988 said:
You reckon, your seeking, but God's Word tells us >>> Romans 3:10-12 "As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one: There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God. They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one".

Again, you are promoting a religious philosophy taught to you by this world's religious system. If you were to actually read Paul's Words, and David's words that Paul quoted, you would find out who Paul and David were speaking to in this description.

If you were "Seeking the Righteousness of God", as the Jesus "of the bible" teaches, you would go to Psalms 5 and 14, and you would read Rom. 3 and see that Paul and David are speaking to those men who had the Oracles of God, but didn't believe them. Men that falsely accused Paul and the Body of Christ, "whose damnation is just". Men who "professed to know God, but were wicked, bloody and deceitful men". Men who God said, "who eat up my people as they eat bread", and "have shamed the counsel of the poor because the LORD is his refuge."

God can not be found in these people, rather, "God is in the generation of the righteous."

Your teaching that there isn't any difference between the children of the devil, and the Body of Christ is astounding, and yet this is a popular religious philosophy promoted by this world's religious system, "who calls Jesus Lord, Lord".

Paul asks the question, "What then? are we better than they?"

In other words, can I live by the same disobedience to God, engage in the same false accusations of others like the Pharisees, and not be judged the same by God? He answered, "No, in no wise: for we have "before proved" both Jews and Gentiles, that they are all under sin;"

And where did Paul "already Prove" this?

Rom. 2: 9 Tribulation and anguish, upon "every" soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile;

10 But glory, honour, and peace, to "every man" that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile:

11 For there is no respect of persons with God.

Paul didn't say, "We are all under sin". You say Paul and the Body of Christ are still under sin, but Paul didn't.

Dan1988 said:
As you can see, Gods Word states there are none who seek, but you reckon that's not right because you're actively seeking.

The preaching that God's Word teaches that Paul and the Body of Christ's "throat is an open sepulchre; with their tongues they have used deceit; the poison of asps is under their lips: Whose mouth is full of cursing and bitterness: Their feet are swift to shed blood: Destruction and misery are in their ways: And the way of peace have they not known: There is no fear of God before their eyes" is an evil and wicked teaching. It is not true according to Paul's own words, David never promoting such wickedness, and the entire Bible exposes such a teaching as from below and not above.

Men don't "Seek God", as you don't by your own admission and neither did the Pharisees, for the same reason. Both have been convinced by "other voices" that they are all set, already heirs to the Kingdom of God, already the very elect, that "they shall surely not die". But the Jesus "of the Bible" teaches "But he that shall endure unto the end, the same "shall be saved"."

Heb. 11: 6 But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder "of them that diligently seek him".

So yes, I diligently Seek Him every day.

Bradskii · 2025-12-10T04:00:23-0600

Oompa Loompa said:
...the Moors have conquered, or will conquer them soon for a second time.

I'm sure those living in Andalusia will be grateful for your concern. But seeing as the Muslim population is currently only about 4% I don't think there's any great danger of a second conquest in the near future.

Kathleen30 · 2025-12-10T03:49:25-0600

Strong in Him said:
I said, you can't debate science from the Bible.
@Apple Sky was unable to answer any of the questions that I asked, using the Bible as reference.

Some people read the Bible literally when it was not meant to be read that way.
You won't find scientific explanations in the Bible; that is not its purpose.
We use, have and do many things today which are not mentioned in the Bible.

It's not in any way a science textbook - not even partially.

No, it isn't.
It is the final authority on God; on his nature, his will, his actions and his relationship with mankind.

You can't give the Bible to someone studying physics to use as a textbook. You won't learn Biology, Zoology, Chemistry, Astrophysics or any other science subject from the pages of Scripture.
In the same way that you won't learn Spanish from a cookery book that mentions Paella and Spanish wine.
You won't become an artist because you read a novel about someone who learns to draw.
Someone could read a biography about the Beatles; it doesn't mean they can sing. Or you could find out all about Mozart; it doesn't mean you'll be able to play the piano/clarinet/violin.

If you're interested in science, quantum physics, chemistry, astronomy and so on - go and read the appropriate books.
If you want to know God and have a relationship with him; read the Bible.
There are people who do both and find no contradiction.

Stronginhim you say Gods word not be the final authority in all things. I say when it clashes with scripture it most certainly does and is to be challenged accordingly by the word of God. That is what I’m trying to explain to you. . You Then mention the many professions. The Bible certainly does not show us how learn Japanese or Russian but if you were to Curse God in those languages that would still make you accountable according to the word of God. Nothing wrong with learning other languages. You than mention music again nothing wrong with music until you come across such music groups such music like AC/DC like Bonn Scott’s Highway to hell and and you shook me all night long you told me to go cum but I was already there. Along with numerous other groups of such songs . Are these songs appropriate to play at church. No they are not . You mention the cookery book and what’s say it promotes rare meat meaning that blood is not fully cooked but still raw that would go contrary to the New Testament that meat must be cooked fully. As to the Spanish I have mentioned prior with language. You could even add dress wear . even the Scottish kilt has a distinction between men’s and woman’s kilts and the Bible has always be rather specific on women’s and men’s clothing . You mention physics, chemistry, astronomy there is no harm in all in all those things including science. Until they are used to override the word of God and what the Bible says. You could also jaded the arts . Art is beautiful but you also have pornographic art. Is it acceptable to have a statue of the god Pan bending a lady over and giving her the full measure of his flute in a church No . And the same goes for science. The word of God is the final authority when it comes to truth. More so those boundaries have been crossed . The word of God is the final authority in all things . So I not agree you and yu probably not agree with me. Yours Kathleen

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⭐ 1. Peter rebukes Jesus for predicting His death​

Matthew 16:21–22​

⭐ 2. The disciples are “filled with grief” and do not accept it​

Matthew 17:22–23​

⭐ 3. The disciples “did not understand” what Jesus meant​

Mark 9:31–32​

⭐ 4. Luke says it was “hidden” from them because they could not accept it​

Luke 9:44–45​

⭐ 5. They again fail to understand His prediction​

Luke 18:31–34​

⭐ 6. After Jesus rises, they STILL don’t believe the prediction​

Luke 24:25–26 (Jesus rebukes them)​

Luke 24:6–8​

⭐ 7. Even the women’s report of the empty tomb is not believed​

Luke 24:10–11​

⭐ 8. Cleopas confirms that the disciples did not believe Jesus’ predictions​

Luke 24:21​

⭐ SUMMARY​

⭐ 1. All passion predictions are addressed to “the disciples” or “the Twelve,” not Mary​

✔ Matthew 16:21–23​

✔ Matthew 17:22–23​

✔ Matthew 20:17–19​

✔ Mark 8:31–33​

✔ Mark 9:30–32​

✔ Mark 10:32–34​

✔ Luke 9:22​

✔ Luke 9:44–45​

✔ Luke 18:31–34​

✔ John 12:23–33​

⭐ 2. The only “Mary” who appears near these moments is Mary of Bethany — not Jesus’ mother​

⭐ 3. Mary the mother of Jesus appears rarely during Jesus’ public ministry​

⭐ 4. Mary did not travel with the Twelve​

⭐ 5. Therefore Mary likely did NOT hear the passion predictions first-hand​

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⭐ **1. Peter rebukes Jesus for predicting His death**

Matthew 16:21–22

⭐ 2. The disciples are “filled with grief” and do not accept it

Matthew 17:22–23

⭐ 3. The disciples “did not understand” what Jesus meant

Mark 9:31–32

⭐ 4. Luke says it was “hidden” from them because they could not accept it

Luke 9:44–45

⭐ 5. They again fail to understand His prediction

Luke 18:31–34

⭐ 6. After Jesus rises, they STILL don’t believe the prediction

Luke 24:25–26 (Jesus rebukes them)

Luke 24:6–8

⭐ 7. Even the women’s report of the empty tomb is not believed

Luke 24:10–11

⭐ 8. Cleopas confirms that the disciples did not believe Jesus’ predictions

Luke 24:21

⭐ SUMMARY

⭐ 1. All passion predictions are addressed to “the disciples” or “the Twelve,” not Mary

✔ Matthew 16:21–23

✔ Matthew 17:22–23

✔ Matthew 20:17–19

✔ Mark 8:31–33

✔ Mark 9:30–32

✔ Mark 10:32–34

✔ Luke 9:22

✔ Luke 9:44–45

✔ Luke 18:31–34

✔ John 12:23–33

⭐ 2. The only “Mary” who appears near these moments is Mary of Bethany — not Jesus’ mother

⭐ 3. Mary the mother of Jesus appears rarely during Jesus’ public ministry

⭐ 4. Mary did not travel with the Twelve

⭐ 5. Therefore Mary likely did NOT hear the passion predictions first-hand