This one isn't an all time record; but it's worth mentioning:

Another record?

“Life happens.” Okay, but how much life can happen to one person or family?!

Hi 9Rock9,

Welcome!

If we are followers of Yahshua; should we not follow Yahshua?

(CLV) Mt 5:17
"You should not infer that I came to demolish the law or the prophets. I came not to demolish, but to fulfill.

(CLV) Mt 5:18
For verily, I am saying to you, Till heaven and earth should be passing by, one iota or one serif may by no means be passing by from the law till all should be occurring.

(CLV) Mt 5:19
"Whosoever, then, should be annulling one of the least of these precepts, and should be teaching men thus, the least in the kingdom of the heavens shall he be called. Yet whoever should be doing and teaching them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of the heavens.

(CLV) Mt 7:21
"Not everyone saying to Me `Lord! Lord!' will be entering into the kingdom of the heavens, but he who is doing the will of My Father Who is in the heavens.
(CLV) Mt 7:22
Many will be declaring to Me in that day, `Lord! Lord! Was it not in Your name that we prophesy, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name do many powerful deeds?'

(CLV) Mt 7:23
And then shall I be avowing to them that `I never knew you! Depart from Me, workers of lawlessness!'

(CLV) Mt 13:41
The Son of Mankind shall be dispatching His messengers, and they shall be culling out of His kingdom all the snares and those doing lawlessness

Gentiles (Goyim)?

According to Paul when we convert to be followers of Yahshua; we are no longer Goyim.


Ephesians 2

11 Wherefore, remember that once you, the nations (Gentiles) in flesh - who are termed 'Uncircumcision' by those termed 'Circumcision,' in flesh, made by hands -"

Not anymore!

12 that you were, in that era, apart from Christ, being alienated from the citizenship of Israel, and guests of the promise covenants, having no expectation, and without God in the world."

Not anymore! Hmmm...covenants, plural.

13 Yet now, in Christ Jesus, you, who once are far off, are become near by the blood of Christ."

Citizens of Israel.


(CLV) Hb 8:10
"For this is the covenant which I shall be covenanting with the house of Israel after those days," the Lord is saying: "Imparting My laws to their comprehension, On their hearts, also, shall I be inscribing them, And I shall be to them for a God, And they shall be to Me for a people.


14 For He is our Peace, Who makes both one, and razes the central wall of the barrier"

No difference between those who were born into the false dogma of Judaism, and those who were born into the false teaching of Paganism. All of those in Yahshua are in the truth of YHWH's perfect Torah.

15 (the enmity in His flesh), nullifying the law of precepts in decrees, (dogma, Talmud) that He should be creating the two, in Himself, into one new humanity, making peace;"

Israel!

(CLV) Mt 15:24
Now He, answering, said, "I was not commissioned except for the lost sheep of the house of Israel."



16 and should be reconciling both in one body to God through the cross, killing the enmity in it."

(CLV) Num 15:15
As for the assembly, there shall be one statute for you and for the sojourner sojourning with you. It shall be an eonian (FOREVER) statute throughout your generations. Like you so shall the sojourner be before Yahweh.

17 And, coming, He brings the evangel of peace to you, those afar, and peace to those near, 18 for through Him we both have had access, in one spirit, to the Father." 19 Consequently, then, no longer are you guests and sojourners, but are fellow-citizens of the saints and belong to God's family,


For whoever are baptized into Christ, put on Christ,

(CLV) Ga 3:28
in Whom there is no Jew nor yet Greek, there is no slave nor yet free, there is no male and female, for you all are one in Christ Jesus.

(CLV) Ga 3:29
Now if you are Christ's, consequently you are of Abraham's seed, enjoyers of the allotment according to the promise.


(CLV) Num 15:15
As for the assembly, there shall be one statute for you and for the sojourner sojourning with you. It shall be an eonian statute throughout your generations. Like you so shall the sojourner be before Yahweh.

(CLV) Num 15:16
One law and one custom, it shall come to be for you and for the sojourner sojourning with you.

Richard T said:

I don't think that any of us expect perfection, but I do hope we all expect competence. I would also hope that any ICE agent would know how to run an ID check. Surely there is a way to run Native American ID's? If not why? But I don't blame the individual agents who have little training. The blame goes up the chain.

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And I expect more from ICE and the President of the United States.

Vambram said:

This is not common place at all. Humans are not perfect so to expect perfection is a mistake.

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I don't think that any of us expect perfection, but I do hope we all expect competence. I would also hope that any ICE agent would know how to run an ID check. Surely there is a way to run Native American ID's? If not why? But I don't blame the individual agents who have little training. The blame goes up the chain.

Fantine said:

You could have answered me with one word. Denial.

But that's ok. I accurately translated your answer.

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I don't believe that you have accurately translated my answer at all.

This is not common place at all. Humans are not perfect so to expect perfection is a mistake.

Oompa Loompa said:

Please list those countries or provide a source. Thank you in advance.

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Here is a list of the most Christian Countries by %. Most Christian Countries 2025

Here is a list of the 19 nations that were banned. A Guide to the Countries on Trump’s 2025 Travel Ban List
Here is a list of nations that are not low income.
From google AI which sorted the lists by income, I got these results for full bans

• Iran (Upper-middle income)
• Libya (Upper-middle income)
• Myanmar (Burma) (Lower-middle income)
• Sudan (Lower-middle income)
• Syria (Low income, but was middle income prior to civil war)
• Yemen (Low income, but was middle income prior to civil war)
• Haiti (Lower-middle income

For partial bans, I got these nations

• Venezuela (Upper-middle income)
• Cuba (Upper-middle income)
• Nigeria (Lower-middle income)
• Kyrgyzstan (Lower-middle income)
• Tanzania (Lower-middle income)
• Laos (Lower-middle income)
• Sierra Leone (Low income)
• Togo (Low income)
• Turkmenistan (Upper-middle income)
• Burundi (Low income)

I admit I am surprised that some of these nations like Cuba are not low income. But the upper-middle nations make the use of "third world" a poorer descriptor than it already is.

Oompa Loompa said:

That is a fair and honest answer. So you agree that the limited resources are limited. Would it fair to propose cutting off the flow of incoming immigrants until the limited resources are better allocated to the ones who need it while screening put the ones who are manipulating and taking advantage of it?

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No.

By the same token, you could say "hey, let's cut off social security until we've screened out all the frauds". Or "hey, let's cancel all airline flights until we check out those chemtrail claims". We have a screening process in place. We can work to improve it without cutting it off entirely for who knows how long.

Mind you, I'm not opposed to making it more difficult to immigrate to the US. Fine by me. But there are plenty of people who are trying to get here legitimately, and it would be unfair to block them due to an overreaction.

Now, if it turns out that Trump went and fired half the screeners, that's his own fault.

FaithT said:

This is sickening. Virtually everything connected to Trump is.


Native American actor says she was detained by ICE officers who said tribal ID ‘looked fake’
Elaine Miles of Northern Exposure was stopped by four masked men in Seattle while walking to bus stop
Read in The Guardian: Native American actor says she was detained by ICE officers who said tribal ID ‘looked fake’ — Guardian US

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Few might know that Noem herself was banned from most tribal lands when she was Governor due to her statements about Native Americans. That ICE would be insensitive or lack training concerning Native Americans and their ID's etc. should be no surprise.

Richard T said:

In Trump's group of 19 nations,

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Please list those countries or provide a source. Thank you in advance.

Yttrium said:

Certainly not.

On the other hand, if I found an immigrant family starving in the streets, I'd work with others to help them find shelter and food, and I might consider providing some of my own funds to help out. In my experience, not all people in need are out to take advantage of me. They just need some temporary assistance.

Now, I feel that Democrats take the caring for people in need thing a bit too far. We have limited resources, and if you're not careful the few who will take advantage of us will cause problems. I'm not protective of illegal immigrants. However, I'm not in favor of revoking green cards from people who are struggling.

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That is a fair and honest answer. So you agree that the limited resources are limited. Would it fair to propose cutting off the flow of incoming immigrants until the limited resources are better allocated to the ones who need it while screening put the ones who are manipulating and taking advantage of it?

lismore said:

Kemi Badenoch, leader of the opposition in the UK Parliament, a 'cultural Christian' says spending money on benefits is unchristian.

Kemi Badenoch says spending on welfare is 'unchristian'

Kemi Badenoch has said welfare spending could be considered "unchristian," following Rachel Reeves' Autumn Budget.

www.thelondoneconomic.com

Earlier this month, Badenoch quoted St Paul’s advice to Timothy in the Bible as she argued that the “responsibility and dignity of work” was a Christian imperative, the Times reports.
She said: “St Paul, we read, in the first Epistle to Timothy proclaims that ‘Anyone who does not provide for his own household … is worse than an unbeliever’.

“This is the Christian recognition that we all have duties … To ourselves, to our families and to the community we are part of. Conservatives believe in making work pay, in rewarding risk, in ensuring effort matches reward.”

She continued: “My message is let’s get people off welfare into work. Let us not leave debt for our children and grandchildren. That is the worst unfairness.”

When she was asked to elaborate on what she meant, Badenoch continued: “In early Christian times there was no state or welfare so I think that you can argue that, actually. The Christian tradition is about communities and families and charity, not about compulsory taxation in order to pay welfare.

Any thoughts?

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Lifestyles have changed since the time of free gleaning of the fields by the poor. land is basically removed from the poor. The poor too can't sell a family member as slaves to pay debts. So if left just to charity, many would fall through the cracks in a modern nation. I see it in poor nations now. how some have hospitals that require cash upfront and will turn away patients if funds are not shown.

She is right that work is good for the able bodied. However, many on welfare are elderly, already working, or children. Some too do cycle out of welfare, though some also make a career of it. A good policy would be to subsidize employers that hire long-term welfare types. This makes these workers more attractive and accomplishes some savings for those that are able bodied of working age.

To me such statements are political but have no real practical application especially in the UK. But if you wish to return to peasants in the streets and lots of social unrest I guess a nation could try. If you look at the sheer amount that is needed, only a miracle of God could provide that funding from charity. i asked google ai about the amount that Christians in the UK currently give to all charities including churches. The average was around 75 pounds per month. True they could ramp that figure up, but it would require alot more to make

Landon Caeli said:

Any room for opposing viewpoints here?

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The only opinions that might matter will come from SCOTUS. But it's a free county if you've got something to say.

Dave... said:

Hey Dan.

I believe the the one important thing that is often overlooked in Ephesians 1:4 and context is that we are chosen "in Him", and always "In Christ". --Vs. 10 is speaking of the Spirit baptism which began at Pentecost (1 Cor. 12:13). Vs. 11 is speaking of true OT believers already declared righteous by OT faith (Romans 8:29) who came to faith in Jesus.

It is Jesus who was elect from the foundations of the world. Anyone who is placed 'in Him', becomes elect with Him. Thus, "In Him" we receive all these things spoken about in Ephesians 1. This has been God's plan from the [foundations of the world], thus the 'Lamb slain from the foundations of the world' is speaking about an eternal decree, but it still had to actually happen before it applied.

We are all placed into Christ with the NT indwelling, called the placing into, or, baptism with the Holy Spirit, that was made available to everyone after Christ was lifted up. Today, when someone believes and trusts in Christ Jesus in faith, Jesus places the Holy Spirit in us, making us one with Him (the baptism into the Body, into Christ), as a result, being born again and justified. This is all initiated by faith.

For your convenience, I quoted it.

1-14 Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the will of God, To the saints who are in Ephesus, and faithful in Christ Jesus: Grace to you and peace from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ. Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places in Christ, just as He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before Him in love, having predestined us to adoption as sons by Jesus Christ to Himself, according to the good pleasure of His will, to the praise of the glory of His grace, by which He made us accepted in the Beloved. In Him we have redemption through His blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of His grace which He made to abound toward us in all wisdom and prudence, having made known to us the mystery of His will, according to His good pleasure which He purposed in Himself,10 that in the dispensation of the fullness of the times He might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven and which are on earth--in Him. 11 In Him also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestined (Romans 8:29) according to the purpose of Him who works all things according to the counsel of His will, that we who first trusted in Christ should be to the praise of His glory. In Him you also trusted, after you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation; in whom also, having believed, you were sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise, who is the guarantee of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, to the praise of His glory.

Dave

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Hi Dave and just asking. as I do not have many Dispensational , Per-Mil and PRE- Mil. response here are you. DIOSPENSATIONAL. ?

Just ready to lay down and you a long list , see you. MONDAY .

dan p

BasedLutheran said:

gibberish

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Such as "any facts" or just misstatements from Trump on the use of the term and even the income status of the countries he banned? As i now see that several of the nations are not considered low income at all.