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CF has always been a site that welcomes people from different backgrounds and beliefs to participate in discussion and even debate. That is the nature of its ministry. In view of recent events emotions are running very high. We need to remind people of some basic principles in debating on this site. We need to be civil when we express differences in opinion. No personal attacks. Avoid you, your statements. Don't characterize an entire political party with comparisons to Fascism or Communism or other extreme movements that committed atrocities. CF is not the place for broad brush or blanket statements about groups and political parties. Put the broad brushes and blankets away when you come to CF, better yet, put them in the incinerator. Debate had no place for them. We need to remember that people that commit acts of violence represent themselves or a small extreme faction.
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Man acquitted of stabbing by Portland jury — after victim said slur following the attack
- By Belk
- News & Current Events (Articles Required)
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OK. So the defense thinks it relevant. Though no context as to how. Point conceded as far as the defense is concerned.
Ok. Good to know there is video but that is not the totality of the evidence and it certainly does not override other pieces of evidence that might mitigate the circumstances.
I would certainly say so. I have noticed that my more liberal news sources are going to same way some conservative ones have were they prefer narrative over facts. I try to have sources from multiple view points but it is getting harder.
I personally would not, but there's a variety of public polling (that we can discuss if you like) that would suggest that there are other people who would.
Here's a very recent poll conducted by Harvard
Gen Z believes political violence may be justified in these instances—Poll
Nearly four in 10 Gen Zers believe political violence may at times be justified, according to a new poll.www.newsweek.com
One of the most disturbing findings from the Buckley Institute’s 2025 national college student survey is this: 39 percent of students agree with the statement, “If someone is using hate speech or making racially charged comments, physical violence can be justified to prevent this person from espousing their hateful views.”
Whether anyone likes to admit it or not, "Violence is an appropriate response to hate speech" is not some fringe far left view.
It may not be fringe but I don't think it is mainstream either.
Eh, I have a hard time finding this idea a reasonable conclusion. Admittedly I'm up in Seattle not down in Portland but I don't think we are THAT far apart in views. It just strikes me as being an unreasonable conclusion and it seems like there are much more likely reasons for why this person was acquitted then those being asserted by these articles. I would need significantly more evidence before I concede that this is a likely reason.
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Man acquitted of stabbing by Portland jury — after victim said slur following the attack
- By BCP1928
- News & Current Events (Articles Required)
- 17 Replies
No, it is the ancient legal principle of "fighting words doctrine."Defense attorney Daniel Small said the most relevant evidence was recorded later, when security officers heard the wounded man shouting the racist slur and captured it on their body cameras as he described the incident.
I'd say that "most relevant" would count as "key" by contemporary definitions.
There's video evidence covering the lead-up, the actual event, and the aftermath, and the identities of the people in the video aren't in dispute as far as I know.
Some additional info from a different source:
Police body-camera video later recorded Howard using the N-word as officers intervened. Howard insisted he only said it after being stabbed. Edwards, however, testified that the slur came the moment Howard spotted him, and that he reacted.
“What other than racism could explain why Mr. Howard perceived hatred, animosity and aggression from a complete stranger?” defense attorney Daniel Small argued to jurors.
Edwards has past convictions including attempted second-degree assault in 2021 and served a three-year sentence for a separate stabbing at a Portland light-rail station in 2020. Another case against him, a fourth-degree assault charge involving a store clerk, was dismissed earlier this year due to a lack of available public defenders.
But you did touch on something interesting, you mentioned "additional details that these news stories aren't mentioning".
Are news media silos perhaps a bit of an issue here? Where if there's a story that ends up being somewhat unfavorable for an outlet's ideological bent, they ignore it and won't touch it with a 10 foot pole?
I personally would not, but there's a variety of public polling (that we can discuss if you like) that would suggest that there are other people who would.
Here's a very recent poll conducted by Harvard
Gen Z believes political violence may be justified in these instances—Poll
Nearly four in 10 Gen Zers believe political violence may at times be justified, according to a new poll.
One of the most disturbing findings from the Buckley Institute’s 2025 national college student survey is this: 39 percent of students agree with the statement, “If someone is using hate speech or making racially charged comments, physical violence can be justified to prevent this person from espousing their hateful views.”
Whether anyone likes to admit it or not, "Violence is an appropriate response to hate speech" is not some fringe far left view.
How is that different than the view that violence against suspected drug smugglers clinging to the remains of their wrecked boat is an act of Christian virtue?
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St Nicholas
Not that I need any more decorations, but where did you get him?
I found him in a CVS pharmacy, of all places, years ago. The box says "Matrix" and "Christmas Traditions", but my quick google search this morning is turning up only "vintage" items, so I suspect he's no longer being made, alas. He was one in a series of Santas from different eras that the company sold, but St Nicholas was the version of "Santa" that caught my eye, for obvious reasons.
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