Phil G said:

Good, I’m sure it will be worth the wait

But if the Dubay video allegedly explains it, you should be well able to answer my question right now! All you would have to do is repeat what was said in your own words. But that ain’t happening is it?

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Like I promised.

Basically all's they've done is place antennas every where which work off the Ionosphere.

Once you put up enough antennas and laid enough cable the Ionosphere is a good free transmitter relay communication natural device.
Be it radio or audio are bounced of the ionosphere and back transmitted using dishes and repeater antennas,
they can also travel across the ground or water quite OK and underground cables.

Ever heard of cable net work or sky TV

Ground based antennas and sea cables.
Fiber optics are useful for laying cables over huge distances this is how the internet works.

Cell Phones
Your cell phones connect to a base stations these base stations are connect to ground cables the base station sends your signal by cables to the nearest base station to the person you are calling.

Basically all's sky TV has done is give us tweaked sky dish to charge you extortionist prices for their sky package deals.

Actually this all remind me of Tartary where they would receive free electricity form the many antennas they had on their elaborate buildings.
You should google it 'Tartary' Some interesting stuff.

Job 33:6 said:

The YEC position, when you really do take a moment to look at scripture and you break it down. Logically, It's actually very problematic. Denying a bunch of Bible translations, God's creates with the spoken word, but he doesn't do that until verse 3. So now God is creating in verse 1 without even speaking. And then the rest of the six days aren't even creation because the creation happened in verse 1. And the other 6 days, nobody even knows what's going on, He's just making plants or something.

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Don't let your emotions get ahead of you like the average church women.
That tends to cloud the brain and prevent rational thought and reason.
Like not reading what someone posts.

I have already told you I am not a YEC, and I showed you that the translation did alter the part of speech to fit their interpretation.
I also showed you one of the manuscripts that does not use a verb, but rather the noun 'beginning'.
However, since you don't want to see facts, and thus you are ignoring my posts, you will keep running with your ideas... which is what you want to do anyway.

You even ignored a simple question in this post.
Why? You cannot answer questions that topple you platform.

The judges' statements seem to be a good analysis of the two conflicting principles in the case: the right to feel safe in school, and the right to exercise free speech and religion.

ViaCrucis said:

I never spent much time watching Kirk's material.

Could you elaborate on how Kirk exhibited and advocated for Christian faith, practice, ethics, and general engagement with the world?

I've been told many times that Kirk promoted Christianity. So I'm curious how he did that.

-CryptoLutheran

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I happen to watch a lot of his material and thats part of the problem that I think many who say bad things have never really look at much of his stuff and have more likely seen snippets on legacy media which may be out of context. Or the one example that may have been wrong for Kirk to say be blown up and represented the entire Kirk.

This happens in many ways today. The media age and especially social media which has almost become another source of reporting on par with official news outlets. Or can even influence the narrative of scientific fact and what we know is truth to look like its not the case. Also remember now theres Deep Fake and Ai. Who knows whats going on. Whats the truth.

Anyway sorry for the rant. But I feel strongly about how truth has been lost in the wash of all these fighting narratives.

I could show you many. But I don't like the idea of doing that as its more or less the same as showing the negative. I am saying the entire game or culture of doing this is itself the problem and I suspect inflaming the problem. Though good intentioned.

I think it best you investogate yourself. Thats what we do with academia and critical thinking. We have to work out the truth for ourselves. All I am saying I have probably watched more stuff than most who are objecting and I don't see the same Kirk. Likewise many are the same. In fact there has been an upsurge in Christianity since his death.

For me like many others who hold the same beliefs on many of what Kirk believed. We are reflecting and reproving our faith. I guess in any horrific and traumatic event people take a step back and reflect and try to take stock and be asking what happened and why. What can we do to change this current climate and culture war.

Thats why I think the best way is to take a step back. I don't think people realise that the debates being had over Kirk are more or less the same kind of debates that Kirk was having live. The back and forth or opposing views. The objections and accusations back and forth. So in some ways its just keeping that climate going.

I think right now regardless of who is in the right or wrong or who said what or what it meant. All I can say is that if we are talking about what is the Christian thing to do and if we are talking about Christs church or the Christian community as well as individuals within that community.

Then I think Christians are to be different to the culture war. By engaging in the back and forth debates and arguements this is part of the culture war. It cultivates the culture war and its a world system and not a Christian one.

Christians should be seperate from this and even insulated from it. Even quiet and saying every little. JUst exampling Christ. Especially right now as the culture war is heating up. In fact its perfect timing. Because when the world heats up Christ shines in that darkness twice as much. Its noticed more because the evil has become so entrenched that people are actually looking for something different.

So nows the time to shine. Which means being as Christlike as possible, Even if that means loving your enermies or sacrificing your life for the very people who persecute you. In upholding Christs example of goodness and obedience to God. A Peter says this is pleasing to God.

Fervent said:

Asking a question is not making a pre-judgment. I don't know if she's posted everything, but I see no reason to take her word for it. She clearly had an agenda in making these calls to begin with, so why would we trust her not to spin the results to meet her agenda? What was she trying to prove?

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That, all of that, is a pre-judgement when you haven't even looked at a single video lol

partinobodycular said:

So how does knowledge give one authority?

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It is only one possibility, what do you think gives one authority? Let's start by establishing a baseline.

I'm getting tired of people trying to sell their book... If it was so amazing and could help so many people, post it for FREE as an e-book. Otherwise, I think you're trying to making money off of God's work and that doesn't sit right with me.

Delvianna said:

You're making a pre-judgement based off of nothing when you haven't seen a single video. You literally can go to watch them right now, I gave you the link to her channel where you can watch and hear every single phone call. She bases her ending result off of the churches she called. That's her end result. Example: "I called 40 churches and out of the 40, here's how many were willing to help..." And then you watch her call and talk to all those 40 churches. That's literally the point of the article.

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Asking a question is not making a pre-judgment. I don't know if she's posted everything, but I see no reason to take her word for it. She clearly had an agenda in making these calls to begin with, so why would we trust her not to spin the results to meet her agenda? What was she trying to prove?

Maria Billingsley said:

FYI
The eight Senators from the Democratic caucus who voted to open the government made a deal with Senate Republicans and the White House. The key part of the agreement was a promise to hold a mid-December vote on extending Affordable Care Act tax credits, which Democrats had sought.

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Yep, and the Soviets and Nazi's made a deal to be friends after dividing up Poland. I love deals made under the cover of darkness with ideological "foes".

essentialsaltes said:

Utah Supreme Court Upholds Block on Gerrymandered Congressional Map​

A district court ruled last month the 2021 map unconstitutionally violated the redistricting reforms voters approved through Proposition 4, and it developed a plan to put in place a new map in time for the 2026 election. The court also denied the legislative defendants’ motion to keep the 2021 map in place throughout the remedial process and any appeals – a ruling they appealed to the Utah Supreme Court.

In the latest development, the Utah Supreme Court upheld the district court’s decision to deny the motion keeping the 2021 map in place.

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Utah Judge Strikes Down GOP Gerrymander, Restores Voter-Approved Fair Map​

In a sweeping victory for voters, a Utah court struck down the GOP-controlled legislature’s congressional gerrymander and a companion law designed to entrench partisan power.

The court also approved a new map for the 2026 elections, which is likely to give Democrats one of the state’s four congressional seats.

Judge Dianna Gibson ruled Monday that both the legislature’s new map, known as Map C, and the accompanying law, SB 1011, violated Proposition 4, the voter-approved constitutional amendment banning partisan gerrymandering.

Gibson found that the Republican map directly contravened the will of voters, as expressed in their support for Prop 4.

At the center of the case was Map C, a congressional plan pushed through by GOP lawmakers after the court’s earlier [previous story] August order required new maps to comply with Proposition 4.

To remedy the violation, Gibson adopted Plaintiffs’ Map 1, a plan submitted by the pro-voting plaintiffs finding it best met the state’s constitutional standards.

Fervent said:

It depends, having worked in church offices and dealt with the volume of requests that come through I have a bit of sympathy for churches that simply don't have the resources and have to be selective about the help they give. i don't think people realize how many people looking for help come to the churches every day and how thin most churches are stretched.

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You're making a pre-judgement based off of nothing when you haven't seen a single video. You literally can go to watch them right now, I gave you the link to her channel where you can watch and hear every single phone call. She bases her ending result off of the churches she called. That's her end result. Example: "I called 40 churches and out of the 40, here's how many were willing to help..." And then you watch her call and talk to all those 40 churches. That's literally the point of the article.

A2SG said:

Yeah, I don't know why the handful of Democrats voted the way they did. Not like Trump has ever been shown to be trustworthy or honest, or there has been any indication that Republicans will negotiate in good faith.

-- A2SG, but we are where we are....

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I'm not talking about the handful of want to be Republican Senators, no, I am referring to the 6,265,888 people who couldn't remember they voted against Trump in 2020. I guess that episode of Matlock or Dancing with the Stars was just too important for them. They deserve everything that their lack of civic duty gives us.

Jerry N. said:

This thread is a bit confusing. Let me tell a little joke I’ve told before. An atheist comes to God and says that science has advanced so much that mankind doesn’t need Him anymore. God says that He will leave mankind alone if mankind makes a human being out of dust. The atheist agrees and reaches down and scoops up some dust. God says, “Wait a minute, make your own dust.” Job seems to be saying that “something” existed before Genesis 1:3, and God used that “something” for the next six days to create everything on earth. The verses about creation that have been repeated in this thread make it clear that God created everything. Why is it a problem if God created that “something” before the first of the six days?

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That's a funny one.
I think you missed something Jerry.
However, I'd rather she told you, than I did, because it is indeed confusing.

Delvianna said:

I gave you the evidence in the link!! I can't believe I'm having this convo right now....

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The link is only evidence of what she's posted, not a demonstration that she hasn't been selective in her postings or made attempts not posted.

rambot said:

She is posting.......ANY churches saying that.

Why would that be good?

No church should be turning away a woman in that circumstances. Don't you agree?

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It depends, having worked in church offices and dealt with the volume of requests that come through I have a bit of sympathy for churches that simply don't have the resources and have to be selective about the help they give. i don't think people realize how many people looking for help come to the churches every day and how thin most churches are stretched.

Fervent said:

I'm not "debating", I'm asking you a question. You're asserting that she recorded every attempt and pointing to what she's posted. I'm just asking how you would possibly know what was attempted vs what she posted to make such an assertion.

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I gave you the evidence in the link!! I can't believe I'm having this convo right now....

Delvianna said:

Bro, click the link! She recorded EVERY ATTEMPT. That's what I'm saying. Debating me without clicking the link to see for yourself is insane.

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I'm not "debating", I'm asking you a question. You're asserting that she recorded every attempt and pointing to what she's posted. I'm just asking how you would possibly know what was attempted vs what she posted to make such an assertion.

Fervent said:

I don't, but I'm not claiming she is or isn't.

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She is posting.......ANY churches saying that.

Why would that be good?

No church should be turning away a woman in that circumstances. Don't you agree?

Fervent said:

We only know what she's posting, not every attempt she has made. You say they're all there, but how would we even know that?

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Bro, click the link! She recorded EVERY ATTEMPT. That's what I'm saying. Debating me without clicking the link to see for yourself is insane.

Job 33:6 said:

Rashi who? What do you mean Rashi who? You don't know who Rashi is, of course you don't know.

https://academic.oup.com/book/36506

Rashi - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Probably the most famous Rabbi of the Middle ages.

Just because you don't know about the history of Bible interpretation doesn't mean that these ideas didn't exist.

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February 1040 – 13 July 1105!!! What?
Here you are talking about Near Eastern culture, and I asked for references to support the claims you were making, and you give me some guy that lived from February 1040 – 13 July 1105.

Then you ignore sources from Jewish rabbis, and scholars spanning from the destruction of the Second Temple in 70 CE to the Muslim conquest of Palestine in 638 CE.
LOL

That's the best joke I have had on these forums.
I'm not the one lacking knowledge of the history of Bible interpretation... among other things.
Perhaps you should go back and read what you ignored... again.
Is it any wonder you are ignoring facts.

Job 33:6 said:

You didn't explain anything. You just denied a plethora of Bible translations, called them illegitimate.

That's not an argument. That's denial. Like you're some kind of Hebrew expert and all these Bibles written by hundreds of Hebrew scholars are all wrong because you said so on an internet forum.

That's just hubris. That's not an argument.

Denial of the Bible is not a valid argument. Saying that only some translations are right and all these other ones are wrong. That's not valid at all. You can't just disregard a bunch of translations just because you don't like what they say.

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Since you ignored it again, I'll post it again.

According to reliable sources, some Bible translations alter words, and this occurs due to differences in translation philosophy, manuscript evidence, and linguistic challenges. Translators may omit, add, or change words based on their interpretation of the original texts, which were written in ancient languages like Hebrew, Aramaic, and Greek. For example, a table comparing modern Bible versions to the King James Version (KJV) shows that words like "Christ," "Lord," "Jesus," and "God" are omitted or added in various translations, with some versions adding or removing words in hundreds of instances.

Like everyone else, we have the God given right to reject alterations to God's word the Bible.
Religious freedom also allows us the right to do so... just as you have the right to look for a translated text that suits or supports your ideas.

The fact is, the Hebrew manuscripts do not use a verb, which some translations of Genesis 1:1 alter, which you favor.
The Hebrew manuscripts uses a noun, which I accept.
Do you fault me for loving honesty? Do you love dishonesty?
We all have freedom to make that choice.

4QGenb (4Q2)
You can grab any manuscript, and if you can read it, it says very plainly, In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
I do reject dishonest translations, that interpret text and then translate base on their interpretation.

"How is it that I am speaking to you at all?" John 8:25

Delvianna said:

As I said, they're all there. TikTok - Make Your Day There's 42 parts, you can watch them all if you want.

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We only know what she's posting, not every attempt she has made. You say they're all there, but how would we even know that?

rambot said:

How do you KNOW she's not?

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I don't, but I'm not claiming she is or isn't.

Fervent said:

How do we know she's posting every phone call?

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As I said, they're all there. TikTok - Make Your Day There's 42 parts, you can watch them all if you want.

rambot said:

It is not good to avoid reflection.

As an outsider (to thr us) I see a lack of charity and the increase of distrust in Christians and it makes me sad.

But it happens where i am too!! I tries to set up a multichurch charity drive and while our council was into it they were clear that the other 6 to 8 churches with a 5km radius would not be.

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I'm not trying to avoid reflection, but this appears like a smear campaign rather than an attempt at reflection.

Fervent said:

How do we know she's posting every phone call?

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How do you KNOW she's not?