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Strong in Him · 2025-11-19T08:43:00-0600

Apple Sky said:
No I'm not, all that Jerry N mentioned is not true.

So all these people are lying?
You are almost the only person in the world who has the truth?

Get real.

fhansen · 2025-11-19T08:40:51-0600

Dikaioumenoi said:
Where in John 6:44 does John say anything about those "who come"? The statement is about the ability to come.

It’s about the ability of those who are raised to come. That’s “who come”.

sovereigngrace · 2025-11-19T08:40:45-0600

Douggg said:
You claim that the church is Israel. But Paul said that Israel has been blinded until the fulness of the Gentiles comes in.

keras, the church is not blinded to the gospel of salvation in Christ. So your identification of Israel is incorrect.

The bible does speak about the Jews turning to Jesus. Romans 11:25 indicates that the Jews (Israel) has been blinded in regards to the gospel of salvation in Christ. But once the fulness of the Gentiles has come in, that the Jews will be saved, i.e. turn to Jesus and the gospel of salvation in Romans 11:26.

Romans 11:25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.

26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:

Not all Israel was blinded, only "part" of Israel was. If you study the whole thrust of Romans 9-11 you will see that Paul is comparing the chosen elect (the election) within Israel to those who are "blinded." In Romans 11:1-5, Paul identifies “his people which he foreknew” as a spiritual “remnant according to the election of grace.” This is in complete contrast to the blinded natural majority of Israelis who reject Christ. There is no way they can be deemed God’s chosen people, God’s elect or the people of God, regardless of how loud or often Dispensationalists claim such.

We see this in Romans 9:6-13: “For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel: Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called. That is, they which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.”

What this is saying is, those who are not saved have no right to consider themselves as true Israel. The apostle here identifies two Israels; one spiritual, elect and believing, the other natural, ethnic and containing both believers and unbelieving. One is true spiritual Israel (“the children of God”/“the children of the promise”), the other is merely “children of the flesh.” Basically: national theocratic Israel was a political entity in which a believing spiritual remnant – true Israel – abode. It is only those Jews who belonged to that remnant within ethnic Israel that were true Israelis in God’s eyes. Through the cross, and since the cross, only those Jews and Gentiles who embraced Christ were enjoined to that remnant that are considered His chosen people. These have been joined together on an equal basis in Christ.

MarcusGregor · 2025-11-19T08:38:41-0600

Long time lurker, finally signed up to participate! Thanks @tampasteve for fixing my registration! :clap:

fhansen · 2025-11-19T08:36:10-0600

Dikaioumenoi said:
How is that possibility created if the drawing (enabling) fails?

Because, as you stated, “ἑλκύω itself does not mean "irresistibly bring to faith".

Dikaioumenoi · 2025-11-19T08:34:26-0600

Fervent said:
The "enabling" doesn't have to guarantee success to create the possibility, it simply must be present. The drawing doesn't "fail" in the case that the person who is being drawn resists successfully, because the drawing still occurs. You're imposing onto the text your doctrine, and nothing more.

Not what I asked. The verse explicitly defines drawing as an enabling act:

"No one is able to come, unless drawn."

If that act, "the Father draws," can fail, how is one able to come?

DaisyDay · 2025-11-19T08:33:10-0600

perplexed said:
Why didn't the Biden administration embarrass Steve Bannon by leaking his connection to Epstein? He is a Trump ally.

Biden didn't go after people based on his personal ire. There used to be a wall of separation between the president and the DOJ, with the DOJ basically running independently. Merrick Garland was way too concerned with the appearance of propriety to pursue the corruption of the previous administration to the point where he was essentially neutered.

Fervent · 2025-11-19T08:33:06-0600

RDKirk said:
There are certainly other "socialized" areas of American life, such as national and state defense, infrastructure maintenance, fire and police protection, public schools, and such.

I don't really understand why healthcare invokes such a particularly vicious Pavlovian response.

We've been conditioned to believe that somehow the market will fix the issues that it created, if we just let the insurance companies have free reign.

that and socialized health care will make us more European

sovereigngrace · 2025-11-19T08:33:04-0600

Guojing said:
I am asking you why James did not get it during Acts 21:18-25.

I answered. You ignored. If you refuse to address my detailed post i am going to take that as an admission that you have no rebuttal.

Dikaioumenoi · 2025-11-19T08:31:37-0600

fhansen said:
John 6:44 can be rephrased as:
"All who come have been drawn, and I will raise them up on the last day."

Where in John 6:44 does John say anything about those "who come"? The statement is about the ability to come.

"No one is able to come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him, and I will raise him up on the last day."

Let p = "the Father draws him"
Let q = "he is able to come"
Let r = "I will raise him up"

The conditional logic is: -p --> -q (if not drawn, then not able)

The final clause (r) is not a part of that conditional statement; it is an independent clause appended to the sentence, giving us additional information about the one whom the conditional statement identifies. You're importing a category here that the text doesn't give us. The stated condition is not, "if they are not drawn, then they will not come," but "if they are not drawn, then they are not able to come." While both statements are true theologically, you have to pay attention to what the verse is actually saying in order to properly identify who that final clause is referring to.

The full logic of the verse is this: (-p --> -q) ^ r

However, because the conditional is stated negatively, the "proper" logical order ("If not drawn, then not able, and I will raise") has an awkward feel. Rhetorically the clause order functions like a concessive or "given the contrary" move: the opening clause (-q) stresses what is true if the condition (p) is not met, while the appended clause (r) supplies what will obtain when, in fact, the condition is met.

Take the contrapositive of the conditional to arrive at the verse's logic without any negations:

(q --> p) ^ r

This reads:

"If he is able, then he has been drawn, and I will raise him up on the last day."

Compare that to what you said:

"All who come have been drawn, and I will raise them up on the last day." (My emphasis)

Your paraphrase collapses ability (q) into actual coming, thereby reading into the verse what John did not say. Yes, of course those who come have been drawn (theologically true), but the grammar of John 6:44 is not framed as "those who come"; it is framed as "those who are made able to come." The final clause then identifies the enabled person as the one Christ will raise.

Apple Sky · 2025-11-19T08:31:25-0600

Is it because they like America ?

RDKirk · 2025-11-19T08:30:07-0600

Bob Crowley said:
A friend (whom I haven't seen for a long time) was sent on a trip to check some European and US hospital systems. This was nearly 30 years ago i might add. He was then an architect working in a Queensland state government department concerned with government building programs.

I later asked him what he thought.

He wasn't impressed with the US hospital system. He said he would walk into a five star foyer while out the back the overworked and underpaid navvies kept the system going.

He thought the best systems were in Germany and Holland, which have socialised medicine. They were far more efficient and equitable.

I sometimes get a bit cynical about the US fear of "socialism". The socialised systems of government in most European countries deliver better health care, lower crime rates, and longer life spans than the US system. But as soon as someone mentions "socialism" in a US context, they're likely to be pounced upon by quasi McCartyist demagogues, and labelled "communist".

There are certainly other "socialized" areas of American life, such as national and state defense, infrastructure maintenance, fire and police protection, public schools, and such.

I don't really understand why healthcare invokes such a particularly vicious Pavlovian response.

Fervent · 2025-11-19T08:29:37-0600

10 I appeal to you, brothers, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that all of you agree, and that there be no divisions among you, but that you be united in the same mind and the same judgment. 11 For it has been reported to me by Chloe’s people that there is quarreling among you, my brothers. 12 What I mean is that each one of you says, “I follow Paul,” or “I follow Apollos,” or “I follow Cephas,” or “I follow Christ.” 13 Is Christ divided? Was Paul crucified for you? Or were you baptized in the name of Paul?

fhansen · 2025-11-19T08:27:36-0600

pasifika said:
freewill speaking of in the Bible is the will to seek after God. We as sinners by nature cannot do that because of the Sin that lives within us.

Acts 17:26-31 clearly states the God structured things so that man can and should seek Him, and that He wants all to repent.

Shane R · 2025-11-19T08:25:26-0600

He was an older fellow. . . Could be that he's gone home with the Lord. I don't know that but it's a possibility.

hedrick · 2025-11-19T08:21:59-0600

What are the alternatives? Health savings accounts won't replace insurance, for a number of obvious reasons.

One approach would be to introduce some competition. Some way to make it easier to change insurance. Maybe have people who can afford it bear some of the cost of treatment. Not a deductible, because that doesn't depend upon the cost. It would have to be proportional to the cost.

But a lot of the cost is because there are lots of monopolies, particularly in drugs. Monopolies are almost always created and maintained by laws. We need a review of patent policies and other policies that tend to reduce competition. Unfortunately the party that normally claims to want competition is unlikely to be willing to support this kind of thing, because of large lobbying efforts. It's not all drug companies. Doctors have over history been able make anything other than treatments they like illegal.

This is a more general problem. I don't think we'll be able to make major improvements until congress is willing to do rational analysis rather than ideology, and stand up to lobbying. I don't see either of those things as likely at the moment.

o_mlly · 2025-11-19T08:21:29-0600

Vambram said:
The evidence I showed is not wrong.

"Fishermen" working working out of hi-speed cigarette boats? Smells fishy to me.

The claims of relatives and residents of the innocence of those killed running drugs seems a bit illogical to me.

https://www.npr.org/2025/11/08/nx-s1-5602884/drug-smuggling-boats

In dozens of interviews in villages on Venezuela's breathtaking northeastern coast, from which some of the boats departed, residents and relatives said the dead men had indeed been running drugs but were not narco-terrorists or leaders of a cartel or gang.

Inokuma · 2025-11-19T08:21:13-0600

My mother has recently overcome a situation where she couldn't hold any liquid down and kept vomiting for about 48 hours. I tried to get her to go to the emergency room, but she refused. She's 100% in her right mind, so I can't force her. Thankfully, God has healed her and she's feeling better and able to keep food and liquid down, but she's only urinating once a day, usually when she first wakes up. She's drinking plenty of fluids, but it's just not coming out as much as it should be. Please pray for her kidneys/bladder/whatever's causing this to heal and for a total and complete body healing

JimR-OCDS · 2025-11-19T08:21:00-0600

timothyu said:
That seems to disagree with scholars who have determined Paul was the first recorded writings followed by Mark, then Matthew and Luke who used Mark as a basis, then John.

Only disagrees with traditional thinking

Colo Millz · 2025-11-19T08:20:57-0600

To be honest the church as a whole is in such dire straits in Europe especially that I would encourage anyone interested to explore any denomination that piques their interest.

Obviously each of us has their preferences.

JimR-OCDS · 2025-11-19T08:19:01-0600

Akita Suggagaki said:
Following diocese and bishop?

NOT THAT I KNOW OF

Always in His Presence · 2025-11-19T08:17:22-0600

Bill and Hillary Clinton delay depositions in House Oversight panel’s Jeffrey Epstein probe

The Clintons have pushed back their deposition dates for the House Oversight Committee’s investigation into notorious pedophile Jeffrey Epstein.

Former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton had been expected to testify before the panel last week on Oct. 9 — but did not appear — and former President Bill Clinton was slated to be grilled on his ties to Epstein on Tuesday.

But an Oversight Committee spokesperson told The Post Monday that the panel is “having conversations with the Clintons’ attorney to accommodate their schedules.”

“The deposition won’t occur tomorrow,” the spokesperson said of Bill’s upcoming testimony.

Back ground info from AI

In August 2025, the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee, chaired by Rep. James Comer (R-KY), issued deposition subpoenas to Bill and Hillary Clinton as part of a broader investigation into Jeffrey Epstein’s crimes and connections.
• The subpoenas also targeted former U.S. Attorneys General, FBI Directors, and Department of Justice records related to Epstein.

Response and Compliance
• As of mid-November 2025, neither Clinton has complied with the subpoenas. Comer stated that his committee had not heard back from them and warned that continued silence could lead to criminal referrals, similar to the treatment of Steve Bannon for defying a congressional subpoena.

Why the stone walling? What are they afraid of?

Fervent · 2025-11-19T08:10:50-0600

Dikaioumenoi said:
How is that possibility created if the drawing (enabling) fails?

The "enabling" doesn't have to guarantee success to create the possibility, it simply must be present. The drawing doesn't "fail" in the case that the person who is being drawn resists successfully, because the drawing still occurs. You're imposing onto the text your doctrine, and nothing more.

Dale · 2025-11-19T08:09:19-0600

wing2000 said:
Since January 20....

By August, Trump estimated that he had collected at least $1.5 billion since the election, more than all the money raised to support his 2024 campaign over two years, including funds raised by supportive independent super PACs. The tally is now approaching $2 billion, two people familiar with the effort—who, like others, were not authorized to speak publicly—told us.

Trump has kept careful track of the money coming in, regularly calling O’Rourke late at night for updates. He monitors who is giving, who is not, and the role of lobbyists who bundle donations, those familiar with his efforts told us. At times, the actual donation amount is less important to the president than the percentage of the donor’s overall assets. He thanks the most generous benefactors at swanky events at the White House and his clubs.

....and tonight, the POTUS is throwing a Black Tie Dinner for a Saudi Prince...who earlier today pledged up to 1 Trillion dollars in US investments [nevermind the Trump family projects in Saudi Arabia].

Trump’s Eye-Popping Postelection Windfall

Even though his campaign ended a year ago, the president hasn’t stopped fundraising.

www.theatlantic.com

Real wealth is generated from within by hard work and innovation, not bestowed by rich Arabs.

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