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Prominent Northern Ireland cleric calls for King Charles to abdicate after prayer with pope
- By RileyG
- One Bread, One Body - Catholic
- 23 Replies
Yikes! I wasn't aware of that at all! Lord have mercy!Well, if his views are "a direct continuation of his father's", then you can be very sure that they are bigoted, hate-filled rants against Catholicism with viewpoints so incredibly distorted that they would be laughable if they were being presented as ridiculous parody instead of earnest seriousness.
The elder Paisley used to publish screeds against the Catholics that made Julius Streicher's Nazi rants against the Jews look mild by comparison.
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I was today years old when...
- By RileyG
- The Junk Drawer
- 4 Replies
St. Paul was ethnically Jewish from the tribe of Benjamin, even if he was living in modern day Turkey. Is my understanding correct? So he wasn't technically Turkish? Hmmm...I learned Tarsus is in present day Turkey and is still around, so the apostle Paul is from there and technically would be a modern day Turk. I don't know why that has never pieced together for me after the 30 some odd years I have in Christianity.... LOL
But I know that Tarsus was controlled by the Romans, which is where Paul got his citizenship from and the ancestors of present day Turks came from the Ottoman Empire, but still... Never knew it was present day turkey and this whole time was thinking Italy because of The Romans = Rome.
What have you learned recently that seemed to have passed you by?
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What commandments?
- By Hentenza
- Christian Scriptures
- 52 Replies
You are adding your legalistic twist to what should be a relatively easy read.For those who might be interested in looking a little deeper of the context because we do not want to be cheated
Col2:8 Beware lest anyone cheat you through philosophy and empty deceit, according to the tradition of men, according to the basic principles of the world, and not according to Christ.
More context that no one seems to look at for some reason.
Col 2:14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;
The Ten Commandments was written by the finger of God Exo31:18 which is the Holy Spirit Luk 11:20 Mat 12:28 Moses is who hand wrote the ordinances that were outside the ark of the covenant where all the annual feasts days, that some were annual sabbaths drink and food offering the context of the passage.
2 Cor 33:8 and I will not again remove the foot of Israel from the land which I have appointed for your fathers—only if they are careful to do all that I have commanded them, according to the whole law and the statutes and the ordinances by the hand of Moses.”
Is the Sabbath commandment against and contrary to us
Lets look at what Jesus said:
Mat 2:28 The Sabbath was made for man
The Sabbath was made for man, what God makes for man is not against us. The Sabbath is blessed and sanctified by God, its not the definition of contrary and against
Sadly, this interpetation of Pauls writings places God against man. It makes God the Creator and our Sanctifier a shadow, It’s why we need to be careful with Pauls writings as we were told what some people would do to them as they do with the rest of Scriptures 2Peter3:16
So looking at the immediate context shows clearly Paul is not speaking of the Sabbath commandment. Nor does Paul have the authority to change God's written and spoken Testimony Exo 31:18 the words of the covenant Exo 34:28 that God promised He would not alter Psa 89:34 they went from written on tables of stone to written on tablets of the heart 2 Cor 3:3 Heb 8:10 because God keeps His promises.
Right here is enough to know Paul is not referring to the Sabbath commandment, but lets keep going.
This is what Paul is quoting the law he is referring to is from
Deu 31:24 And it came to pass, when Moses had made an end of writing the words of this law in a book, until they were finished,
Deu 31:25 That Moses commanded the Levites, which bare the ark of the covenant of the LORD, saying,
Deu 31:26 Take this book of the law, and put it in the side of the ark of the covenant of the LORD your God, that it may be there for a witness against thee.
The laws that were beside the ark of the Covenant handwritten by Moses, there as a witness against, the context of Col 2:14
But lets look at this verse closer
Col 2:16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
The Greek word for sabbath here is plural not singular. So its not speaking of "The" Sabbath day "The holy day of the Lord" as already seen in the context.
Paul is quoting Ezekiel all of the sacrifices and offerings.
Eze 45:17 And it shall be the prince's part to give burnt offerings, and meat offerings, and drink offerings, in the feasts, and in the new moons, and in the sabbaths, in all solemnities of the house of Israel: he shall prepare the sin offering, and the meat offering, and theburnt offering, and the peace offerings, to make reconciliation for the house of Israel.
What was predicted would end when Jesus came?
Dan 9:27 Then he shall confirm a covenant with many for one week; But in the middle of the week He shall bring an end to sacrifice and offering. And on the wing of abominations shall be one who makes desolate, Even until the consummation, which is determined, Is poured out on the desolate."
So this is not about any of the Ten Commandments but about the food and drink offerings, feast days that some were also sabbath(s) that were handwritten by Moses placed besides the ark of the covenant that came after the fall of man. The Sabbath started at Creation before sin Exo 20:11 so can't be a "shadow" of anything as it is part of God's perfect plan before sin took over and a need for a plan of salvation and the Sabbath points to our Creator Exo20:11 who is not a shadow. .
Why if you look at the next verse it clearly shows what it is referring to which works in perfect harmony with the context
Col 2:17 which are a shadow of things to come, but the substance is of Christ.
Heb 10:1 For the law, having a shadow of the good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with these same sacrifices, which they offer continually year by year, make those who approach perfect.
Heb 10:2 For then would they not have ceased to be offered? For the worshipers, once purified, would have had no more consciousness of sins.
Heb 10:3 But in those sacrifices there is a reminder of sins every year. (contrary and against)
Heb 10:4 For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and goats could take away sins.
Heb 10:5 Therefore, when He came into the world, He said: "SACRIFICE AND OFFERING YOU DID NOT DESIRE, BUT A BODY YOU HAVE PREPARED FOR ME.
Heb 10:6 IN BURNT OFFERINGS AND SACRIFICES FOR SIN YOU HAD NO PLEASURE.
Heb 10:7 THEN I SAID, 'BEHOLD, I HAVE COME—IN THE VOLUME OF THE BOOK IT IS WRITTEN OF ME—TO DO YOUR WILL, O GOD.' "
Heb 10:8 Previously saying, "SACRIFICE AND OFFERING, BURNT OFFERINGS, AND OFFERINGS FOR SIN YOU DID NOT DESIRE, NOR HAD PLEASURE IN THEM" (which are offered according to the law),
Heb 10:9 then He said, "BEHOLD, I HAVE COME TO DO YOUR WILL, O GOD." He takes away the first that He may establish the second.
Exo 12:17 43 So the Lord said to Moses and Aaron: This is the ordinance of the Passover:
1Co 5:7 Therefore purge out the old leaven, that you may be a new lump, since you truly are unleavened. For indeed Christ, our Passover, was sacrificed for us.
Ai understood this too
AI understands the Sabbath and Col 2:16
Great question — Colossians 2:16 is often cited in discussions about whether Christians are still required to keep the Sabbath commandment (the Fourth Commandment). Let's look at the verse carefully, in its full context, and then assess whether it refers to the weekly Sabbath from the Ten...www.christianforums.com
Guess all will get sorted out at His soon return.
First, why was this epistle written? What is Paul fighting in the first part of this epistle?
In Cor. 2:8-10 Paul is battling the gnostics of the time which argued that Christ never had a body of flesh but was just spirit. These were the ones attempting to deceive the believers with philosophy and empty deception.
“See to it that there is no one who takes you captive through philosophy and empty deception in accordance with human tradition, in accordance with the elementary principles of the world, rather than in accordance with Christ. For in Him all the fullness of Deity dwells in bodily form, and in Him you have been made complete, and He is the head over every ruler and authority;”
Colossians 2:8-10 NASB2020
Colossians 2:8-10 See to it that there is no one who takes you captive through philosophy and empty deception in accordance with human tradition, in accordance with the elementary principles of the world, rather than i | New American Standard Bible -
See to it that there is no one who takes you captive through philosophy and empty deception in accordance with human tradition, in accordance with the elementary principles of the world, rather than i
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As with all the early churches, the issue of Jewish legalism in Colosse was of great concern to Paul. So radical was the concept of salvation by grace apart from works that those in the law found it very difficult to grasp. Consequently, there was a continual movement among the legalists to add certain requirements from the law to this new faith. Primary among them was the requirement of circumcision which was still practiced among some of the Jewish converts. Paul addressed this error in Col. 2-11-15 in which he declares that circumcision of the flesh was no longer necessary because Christ had come. Christ’s was a circumcision of the heart, not the flesh.
“and in Him you were also circumcised with a circumcision performed without hands, in the removal of the body of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ, having been buried with Him in baptism, in which you were also raised with Him through faith in the working of God, who raised Him from the dead. And when you were dead in your wrongdoings and the uncircumcision of your flesh, He made you alive together with Him, having forgiven us all our wrongdoings, having canceled the certificate of debt consisting of decrees against us, which was hostile to us; and He has taken it out of the way, having nailed it to the cross. When He had disarmed the rulers and authorities, He made a public display of them, having triumphed over them through Him.”
Colossians 2:11-15 NASB2020
Colossians 2:11-15 and in Him you were also circumcised with a circumcision performed without hands, in the removal of the body of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ, having been buried with Him in baptism, in whic | New American Standard Bible
and in Him you were also circumcised with a circumcision performed without hands, in the removal of the body of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ, having been buried with Him in baptism, in whic
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Therefore, verse 16, when taken in context and in the interpretation intended by the writer, is a warning about both the gnostics and the legalistic Jews. The Jews were trying to add the requirements of the law like the dietary laws, thr festivals, and, of course, the sabbath and all the laws that went with it.
“Therefore, no one is to act as your judge in regard to food and drink, or in respect to a festival or a new moon, or a Sabbath day— things which are only a shadow of what is to come; but the substance belongs to Christ. Take care that no one keeps defrauding you of your prize by delighting in humility and the worship of the angels, taking his stand on visions he has seen, inflated without cause by his fleshly mind, and not holding firmly to the head, from whom the entire body, being supplied and held together by the joints and ligaments, grows with a growth which is from God.”
Colossians 2:16-19 NASB2020
Colossians 2:16-19 Therefore, no one is to act as your judge in regard to food and drink, or in respect to a festival or a new moon, or a Sabbath day— things which are only a shadow of what is to come; but the substance | New American Standard Bible
Therefore, no one is to act as your judge in regard to food and drink, or in respect to a festival or a new moon, or a Sabbath day— things which are only a shadow of what is to come; but the substance
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Paul is battling legalism NOT defending legalism.
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Judge Bars Saints’ Statues From Massachusetts Public Safety Building — for Now
- By RileyG
- OBOB General Politics Forum
- 1 Replies
May they intercede for the city of Quincy and their citizens. 
Not really, surprising. TBH
Not really, surprising. TBH
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An EBT Crisis?
- By Chesterton
- American Politics
- 109 Replies
You could be right, but the portion of the video I watched did not support that.
"Lived experiences". I'm glad you brought that phrase up. Would you like to hear some of my lived experiences? I warn you, if I post them, it will probably sound to you like I'm a total white racist, but they are only honest anecdotes.
If you're not going to tell me specifically what's important in the videos, I'm not going to watch them
Which political clashes are you referring to?
I don't deem anyone "deserving" anything from other people. The Christian idea is that you love the unlovable, and give to the undeserving. But St. Paul said "if you don't work, you don't eat".
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