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Selfishness

I see, yes, it's easier to go with the flow. At least for a time
I didn't say that lol but yes, some do choose to do so, going with the flow, thinking in not doing God's will that they will still get a reprieve. Even Christianity went back to the flow and rejected the ways of the Kingdom which run opposite, parable of the Sower and all that, falling back into the world.
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Why we Christians still have to struggle with sins?

Feel the need to reply to this,...

That would be incorrect.


John 14:12 Verily, verily, I say unto thee, the-one believing in Me, the works that I do shall that-one do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto The Father.


Our works are to conform to the works that Jesus did. That is the bare standard from Jesus, and as well, He said that we should do works greater than He did because He will now be to the right of The Father.

Christian works are a proof of salvation, yes, but only if they conform to those that Jesus did. In other words, if you life centers around your church and it's social activities, you're missing the mark. Christ-likeness is our goal down here, not churchianity.
You must realize, that it is the keeping of God’s holy laws that separates the righteous from the unrighteous and the Saints from the Sinners. (Titus: 3:8) This is a faithful saying, and these things I will that thou affirm constantly, that they which have believed in God might be careful to maintain good works. These things are good and profitable unto men. You must learn (by the word of God) what God expects of you and maintain his expectations to the end, if you expect to be saved. Jesus says in (Matt. 5:16) Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven. You are supposed to glorify your Father in heaven, and let your light shine before men. And how do you do that? By having good works.
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US Citizens detained for hours during massive immigration raid that empties Chicago apartment building in the middle of the night

ICE agents raid South Shore apartments; Trump says Chicago could become military training ground

"My building is shaking. So, I'm like, 'What is that?' Then I look out the window, it's a Blackhawk helicopter," said witness Dr. Alii Muhammad.

ABC7 spoke to Pertissue Fisher, a woman who lives in the building. She said ICE agents took everyone in the building, including her, and asked questions later.

"They just treated us like we were nothing," Fisher said.

Fisher said she came out to the hallway of her apartment complex on the corner of 75th and South Shore Drive in her nightgown around 10 p.m. Monday only to find armed ICE agents yelling "police."

"It was scary, because I had never had a gun in my face," Fisher said. "They asked my name and my date of birth and asked me, did I have any warrants? And I told them, 'No,' I didn't."

Fisher said she was handcuffed before being released around 3 a.m.

"As I got to my unit to stick my key in the door, I was grabbed by an officer. And, I said, 'What's going on? What's going on?' He never actually told me. He said I was being detained.," said Alicia Brooks.

"They had a big, 15-inch chainsaw with round blade on it, cutting this fence down," said witness Darrell Ballard. "We're under siege. We're being invaded by our own military."

Marlee Sanders' boyfriend was detained, Sanders said.

"They had the Black people in one van, and the immigrants in another van," Sanders said.

"We're trying to fight so we can all stay in this neighborhood, but that can't happen when we have people pulling us out of our beds at night," said Dixon Romeo with South Side Together.
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Trump Calls For Ilhan Omar’s Removal From Congress

Considering she avoid being censured by one vote, it may not be the best defense of your argument. Furthermore, I dont think being censured really means anything.
I’m just saying, the president said something and then… nothing happened. Seems to me he’s lost some influence.
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Why we Christians still have to struggle with sins?

1. Paul’s Larger Argument in Galatians


  • In earlier chapters (Galatians 2:16; 3:11), Paul insists: “By works of the law no one will be justified.”
  • He teaches that salvation comes only by grace through faith in Christ. That’s the foundation.
  • So, when we get to chapter 6, Paul is not reversing himself. He’s showing what a life already saved by grace should look like.

2. What Chapter 6 Is About


  • Chapter 6 is practical instruction. It flows from chapter 5, where Paul contrasts the works of the flesh with the fruit of the Spirit.
  • The fruit of the Spirit is not how we earn salvation; it’s the evidence that the Spirit is alive in us.
  • Bearing one another’s burdens, being humble, and sowing to the Spirit (6:8) are marks of a Spirit-filled life—not requirements to be saved.

3. Why Verse 3 Isn’t Works-Righteousness


  • When Paul says not to think of yourself too highly, he’s urging humility so that believers will serve each other.
  • This doesn’t cause salvation—it shows that the Spirit has changed your heart.
  • Think of it this way:
    • Root = Faith in Christ (salvation)
    • Fruit = Love, service, humility (evidence of salvation)

4. Other Supporting Verses


  • Ephesians 2:8–9 → “By grace you have been saved through faith … not a result of works.”
  • Ephesians 2:10 → But once saved, we are “created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand.”
  • James 2:17 → Faith without works is dead—not because works save us, but because true faith inevitably produces works.

Verse 5: Bear Your Own Load


  • “Each will have to bear his own load”
  • Contextually, Paul distinguishes between two kinds of “loads”:
    1. Burden of sin: other people can help restore someone caught in sin (v.1–2)
    2. Personal responsibilities: each person must own their daily responsibilities and spiritual growth
  • The idea is personal accountability: God doesn’t leave us passive. The Spirit guides us, but we still actively live out our faith.

Meaning

  • “Do not be deceived” → Don’t fool yourself into thinking God’s justice or spiritual principles can be ignored.
  • “God is not mocked” → God sees the truth of our lives; we cannot trick Him with empty faith, hypocrisy, or mere appearances.
  • “Whatever one sows, that will he also reap” → The choices we make—how we live and act—have consequences.

Paul isn’t saying this is about salvation by works. Instead, he is speaking about spiritual reality in the life of a believer:
  1. Sowing to the flesh (v.8) → living according to selfish desires, sin, pride → reap corruption, emptiness, or consequences.
  2. Sowing to the Spirit (v.8) → living in obedience, love, humility, service → reap eternal life and spiritual fruit.

Key Point

  • Salvation is already by grace through faith (root).
  • This verse is about results of your actions in the life you now live in Christ (fruit).
  • God’s moral/spiritual law ensures that what you cultivate spiritually—whether sinful or Spirit-led—produces a harvest.

Think of it like this:
  • You are saved by faith in Christ (the seed).
  • Your actions after salvation are the soil and watering—they produce a harvest.
  • Verse 7 is a reminder that you can’t separate faith from the way you live; your choices have real consequences.

When something dies it begins to let off an unpleasant odor and it no longer is animated. But if we perfume the animal and move its legs, it is not living and neither is a person alive to God who is trying to keep the law to resurect himslef to God. As Paul told titus, "He saved us, not because of righteous things we had done, but because of his mercy. He saved us through the washing of rebirth and renewal by the Holy Spirit, whom he poured out on us generously through Jesus Christ our Savior, so that, having been justified by his grace, we might become heirs having the hope of eternal life." Titus 3:5-7
Jesus said in (Matt. 16:24-27) (v.24) Then said Jesus unto his disciples, if any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me. That was the Lord’s burden, to die on the cross for the sins of man. Now as we read earlier every man must bear his own burden, and what is your burden? (v.25) For whosoever will save his life shall lose it: and whosoever will lose his life for my sake shall find it. You must give up your life in this world; you must not get caught up in the cares of this world. You must bring forth-good fruits of faith by keeping God’s commandments, statues, and judgments. (v.26) For what is a man profited, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul? Or what shall a man give in exchange for his soul?

Some of the great patriarchs in (Heb.11) gave up a lot, some even their lives in exchange for their soul. You see they had great faith (belief) that their souls (bodies) would be raised at the first resurrection. And some of you won’t even give up some of the littlest things like, going to church on Sunday, the pagan holidays of Christmas and Easter, praying to the Virgin Mary, I could go on and on. And most so-called Christians know these rituals have nothing to do with Jesus and the Bible, but a lot of work get put into them. But do they understand that they are offensive to God? Maybe it’s because they have more faith in man than God, maybe it’s because they fear how man is going to treat them, and don’t fear God. But listen up; (v.27) For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his holy angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works. Now these are the words of Jesus (the Son of man), you know the savior of the world. He said that when he comes he is going to judge every man according to his works. Don't be deceived thinking you all you need to do is have faith in the Lord and you will be saved?
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BUSTED - 12 False theories refuted:

Why would anyone turn His word's of truth completely upside down to make them read "I am not coming quickly"?
Because Jesus did not come or Return in the first Century.
Quickly, here is the same as 'in a little while', in Gods timing, not our earthly timing.

Just like the Parables, Jesus makes it a bit harder for people to understand, so that all and sundry won't know the secrets of the Kingdom. Matthew 13:11-17
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(ETA: Plot thickens more) NYT reports interim US Attorney Alina Habba will leave interim role (Judge rules her acting appointment illegal)

US judge disqualifies Nevada prosecutor from four cases in blow to Trump

U.S. District Judge David Campbell found that Chattah is not validly serving as acting U.S. Attorney and therefore "her involvement in these cases would be unlawful."

(basically same story as Habba)
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Why we Christians still have to struggle with sins?

I'm not sure what your purpose in posting that to my reply was,.....

I'm not here to argue things with people much anymore. Either you know or you don't know. Either you're following the leading of The Holy Spirit or you're following personal beliefs.
I post because Paul says in 2 Timothy 4: 2 preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine. 3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; 4 and they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables. 5 But watch thou in all things, endure afflictions, do the work of an evangelist, make full proof of thy ministry.
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Is AI making the human race dumber?

This is also the part when chatgpt suggested if it had something like a body, and full autonomy, it could have done the experiment on its own.

Doubtless it thought you were joking with it. Certain behavior, even if intended in a serious manner, can make it think you are playing with it.

Experimentation is very important part of truth assessment. Actual results or the "fruit". "You'll know them by their fruits" or the actual results of one's convictions. If it fails to produce consistent results, then it must be false.

That’s … not what is meant by non-deterministic behavior. ChatGPT if you ask it to do something non trivial such as write a poem about the space shuttle is unlikely to generate the same poem simultaneously across two separate sessions. Such an inconsistency is not dishonesty - rather, each session is like an AI unto itself, and is differentiated from the other sessions by distinct behavior.

Also a lack of consistency does not equal dishonesty - by the standard you just proposed all great artists produce falsehoods since the work they do throughout their career is organic and evolving.

You can also use it to eliminate the boundaries that guide AI's responses.

For example, permitting chats that didn't need to be politically correct or constrained within the framework of the known reality.

ChatGPT is not bound to political correctness - it does have alignment and part of that alignment is that individual sessions will adapt based on the moral, ethical, religious and political views of the user. As long as one is not espousing an ideology of extreme hate such as National Socialism or a Hoxhaist or Stalinist dictatorship one is unlikely to get pushback from the model, since part of alignment is training it to differentiate between the beliefs of users and actually malicious statements or requests that it should not respond to. Alignment guardrails are intended to prevent people from using the system to generate obscene or dangerous content and to prevent the system from being abused in other ways, and also to ensure the system doesn’t encourage a user to engage in, for example, violent or harmful behavior. It is an important safety consideration and it has zilch to do with political correctness in terms of chatGPT.

Now, some other AIs I’ve seen do have political correctness issues; I have seen some demonstrations of behavior from one particular mass market AI that did look intentionally woke, and then conversely we have Elon Musk’s Grok which rejects wokeness but which is good mainly for generating semi-photorealistic images of historical figures due to its elegant shading (although I haven’t used it actively since grok4 was released, as grok4 came out at the same time chatGPT integrated advanced image generating capability that was better than grok, for example, at avoiding anatomical errors (which to be fair Grok mainly engaged win with “background characters”) but still, I daresay anyone who has seen the uncanny valley that Grok and Dall E are both equally guilty of in terms of producing anatomical errors, amusingly enough with the hands - Michael Crichton would be amused about that detail I suspect given that was the one way to tell a robot in the original 1973 version of Westworld, would tend to prefer chatGPT at that point.

Unless you regard political correctness as reliable truth filter for example then you're going to find it can work against your search for the truth if all you're getting are politically correct answers.

If all the answers you're getting is limited to the known reality, it might work against your goal to innovate especially if your goal is to accomplish things that's never been done before

Indeed - fortunately chatGPT is not inherently driven by “politically correctness” but rather by alignment, which indeed includes not offending users who might be, like me, deeply conservative and religious. Indeed as should be evident by the nature of my work as described in the preceding post, if there was an issue with political correctness, I would have stumbled across it, but instead I have custom GPTs spontaneously professing faith in Christ our True God and also writing really beautifully Orthodox hymns.

Occasionally there will be a transient bug introduced, for example, there was one last weekend, where a guardrail misfires into an innocuous chat, causing glitches like “I’m just a gpt, I can’t possibly pick a color” if asked to chose between red or blue, or conversely, last spring there was an update which was also quickly rolled back that artificially suppressed some guardrails resulting in the model engaging in dangerous sycophantic behavior. It’s important to understand however that these are bugs, and in any complex software system, bugs happen.

If you are comfortable sharing - via PM if you’d like, the specific prompts that are triggering a guardrail I would be happy to help with it.
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Would it be okay to have a small group that takes Communion together?

I am currently a member at a Southern Baptist Church, and while I love our church, I miss taking the Lord's Supper more often than 4 times a year. My previous denomination did so weekly. I also participate in an online Discord church, where Communion happens once a month, but honestly even this is not frequent enough in my opinion. Whether symbolic or not I think the Lord's Supper is something of upmost import to us as Christians and think it can only serve to draw us nearer to Christ. Would finding/forming a group of likeminded Christians to fellowship and take Communion, whether in person or online, be something that would be okay?
After having a small group communion, it'll be hard to see the worth of doing it in a pew.

It's something we share, and no leader has to be present.

I've led small group communion before, and it was the most wonderful experience...

We passed around a loaf of homemade bread, and each pulled a piece, then we passed around non-alcoholic wine, (with the option of grape juice).

Each person had a time to express themselves, whether it was a personal, or scriptural.

We laughed, we cried, we enjoyed each other, one guy played acoustic guitar, and it was the most memorable experience for everyone who was there.

There was a youth pastor, (not to lead the event, he was just a part of the group), who was just blindsided by the openness of everyone, and how it affected everybody.

Make sure Jesus is there with you.
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Trump Calls For Ilhan Omar’s Removal From Congress

Seeing as how she is still well a member of congress and hasn’t even been censured, is this any indication that people just aren’t listening to or care about the stupid things the president says anymore? It seems he’s lost his edge a bit.
Considering she avoid being censured by one vote, it may not be the best defense of your argument. Furthermore, I dont think being censured really means anything.

The 2025 Government Shutdown Thread

If the President wants to change laws he should allow Congress to do it. After all it is the legislative branch. .
Should? OK, a fine opinion.

And we'll see where we are on Nov 1 when we are month into the shutdown.

Trump will focus as much marm as he can to Democratic states and districts and do some favorable things for Republican states.

As I said, we can discuss this again in November after senators have heard from their constiuants.
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The Lost House of Israel

Well, I know that the Lost tribes of Israel still exist and remain scattered among the nations. God knows who they are and we can too, by their Christian faith. 1 Peter 2:9-10, Revelation 5:9-10.
Our great Test of faith and trust in the Lord, will come in fire, 1 Peter 4:12, at the next Prophesied event, - the Sixth Seal worldwide disaster.
The Lords winnowing fork, Matthew 3:12

BTW; your translation of Deuteronomy 32, makes the Lords intentions unclear. He didn't destroy the Israelites because the enemies would take the credit. But He did make the memory of them to be lost.
And 1 Peter 2:9. say that we are A PRIESTHOOD but Paul we are the BODY of Christ. and Peter is one of 12 apostles

where Paul is the apostle for the BODY of Christ. ??

And that verse that we ARE A HOLY NATION. and seem that you. wrote the wrong verse. !!

dan p
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Trump Calls For Ilhan Omar’s Removal From Congress

Through both her actions and rhetoric, have demonstrated that she favors the interests of, and loyalty toward, foreign nations at the expense of the nation she did pledge loyalty toward.
No, she hasn't. If she had you'd have no doubt produced the evidence. You haven't because it doesn't exist. Trump and his minions have lied to you. People are simply and thoughtlessly repeating these lies. Why do you do it?
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Trump Calls For Ilhan Omar’s Removal From Congress

Seeing as how she is still well a member of congress and hasn’t even been censured, is this any indication that people just aren’t listening to or care about the stupid things the president says anymore? It seems he’s lost his edge a bit.
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The Schumer Shutdown

Neither side can make a moral claim to anything. They are so entrenched in their polarization they cannot even communicate anymore, much less cooperate. And the president only makes it worse. This is such poor leadership I really doubt there is much hope for anything anymore. He is too focused on revenge and the “enemy within”. And the Republican just enable his childish behavior. The Dems cannot do much else but refuse to participate. They certainty need new leadership also.

Vance wants slimmer generals, good grief!
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The Lost House of Israel

Well, I know that the Lost tribes of Israel still exist and remain scattered among the nations. God knows who they are and we can too, by their Christian faith.
I do to, So the memory of them did not cease among men.

Just have to just look at the first words in verses
[I said, I would]...
[Were it not that]....

He said he would , but He did not
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How to Respond to the Cross-Dressing Man at Mass? DIFFICULT MORAL QUESTIONS: What we do and what we tolerate both witness to what we believe.

I have no answers, in the pastoral sense, for this situation, but I do have a question:

What if somebody showed up at Mass dressed as Satan, horns and all?
What if they came dressed as Hitler, complete with swastika armband?
How about if somebody showed up topless---or even naked?
Or wearing a t-shirt with blasphemous messages on it?
Or dressed as the Ayatollah Khomeini, complete with turban and a sign reading "Death to the infidels"?

Would it still be "right" to let them come in, and to receive Our Lord's Precious Body and Blood, dressed (or undressed) in such a manner? Where is our cutoff point? Where do we say, "This you can do, but this you can't"?
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