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Fact-checking Trump's 60 minutes interview

He makes it hard for them to make him look good to a majority of Americans.
Listen. The liberal brand has become so toxic that only the most faithful liberal ideologues actually care about anything they have to say. The rest have tuned them out.

How do you view UFOS and Abduction stories then?

I hate how the term UFO is equated with "flying saucer." UFO is simply Unidentified Flying Object. If a UFO was known to be a flying saucer, it would no longer be unidentified.

There are indeed unidentified flying objects. The last I saw turned out to be a Starlink Chain. Had just enough data to do a back of the envelop estimate of the altitude, and kept coming up with numbers above the atmosphere. At the time thought it was in the atmosphere, but nope, it was indeed outside of it. Once identified as a Starlink chain, ity was no longer unidentified.

One that remained a UFO was a light in the 1970s during the CB craze, and that let multiple observers get a fix on it. No attempts at altitude or positioning estimates, but two of us managed to be on opposite sides of the thing. Military exercise? Test aircraft? Who knows? It was unidentified, flying, and an object.
The interesting part to me though is that the so called "aliens" seem to be getting much more direct and bold now i presenting themselves to people
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President Trump Responds to Judge’s Ruling on SNAP Benefits

I never once said that people cannot or should not give to the poor or help those who struggle. I said that it is not the GOVERNMENT'S job to do so.

We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

That is exactly the governments job.
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A challenge to a faith we've all come to know

Walking by the Spirit means not being under the condemnation of the law, but fulfilling its requirements through grace, as righteousness is imputed through faith of Jesus Christ.
Ok? And what does that mean? It's certainly not a license or freedom to sin, which John defines as lawlessness, right? Again, this is all about becoming Gods people, whereupon He writes His law on our hearts, (by the Spirit, under grace) rather than us attemtping to obey it by the Letter (under the law), apart from Him as if we actually have any righteousness apart from Him. So, again, communion with or nearness to God is the basis of justice and righteousness for man, which is why the first commandments are what they are-and most importantly why the gretest commandment is what it is. IOW, when we love God we obey without regard to any law. Jesus came to reconcile man with God, to reestablish the vital relationship that we were created for, and that Adam broke.

“If we turn away from evil out of fear of punishment, we are in the position of slaves. If we pursue the enticement of wages, . . . we resemble mercenaries. Finally if we obey for the sake of the good itself and out of love for him who commands . . . we are in the position of children.” St Basil of Caesarea
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Ellen White clearly taught Jesus is the great I AM.

How would you read this declaration from Christ...

Matthew 7:21
Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

The Godhead is not easy to figure out, we will have time to truly study and understand when we get to heaven.
I would not call Jesus though either Michael nor just a mighty god
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The Schumer Shutdown

Unions demanding the Democrats to open the government:
  • American Federation of Government Employees (AFGE)
    • Represents over 800,000 federal workers
    • Called for a “clean continuing resolution” to end the shutdown
    • AFGE President Everett Kelley stated: “Both political parties have made their point… It’s time to pass a clean continuing resolution and end this shutdown today.”
  • Coalition of Major Labor Unions
    • Includes unions representing more than 2 million American workers
    • Urged Senate Democrats to vote for the clean CR (continuing resolution)
    • These unions traditionally support Democratic candidates but broke ranks due to the shutdown’s impact
  • Transportation and Airline Unions
  • Leaders from the Teamsters and Southwest Airlines Pilots Association publicly called on Democrats to accept the Republican bill to reopen the government

  • This shift created a rare rift between Democrats and organized labor, a group that has historically been a strong ally of the Democratic Party.
How much of their base are they willing to effect?
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B flat B♭

Yes that's what I wrote & it is true. I also went on to say 'They say our eyes can only see 3 mile away' as you can see this is not true.
We have responded that this only refers to the distance to the horizon at sea level. Once you start dealing with elevations significantly above sea level its a whole different kettle of fish, especially when atmospheric refraction plays a role.
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60 Minutes edits Trump Interview

What's true about it - where is the edited video showing him loosing it. My link shows an extended video - at 58:34 - is where she askes the question - he doesn't look mad, nor does he raise his voice

you quoted what I showed in the video I posted.

What you did NOT do is verify the biased headline saying that Trump got angry and 'lost it"
Perhaps if you'd taken a few minutes to actually read and comprehend the OP's article, you'd have seen that the segment in question was not included in either the tv edit or the extended online edit:

Key portions of this questioning, The Beast reported, did not make it into either the 28-minute TV edit or the 73-minute "extended" cut of the interview – despite the MAGA social media site bragging that it was a "full" interview.

The comments were found in a transcript on the 60 Minutes Overtime site, the Beast reported.

This comes after CBS agreed to a settlement with Trump over his lawsuit alleging they deceptively edited former Vice President Kamala Harris' campaign interview last year, and as the network comes under the new leadership of a Trump-sympathetic boss.


He allegedly "lost it" in response to a question about the Zhao pardon, which, according to the full transcript was the last thing they discussed. However, if you watch the online edit and compare it to the transcript, you'll see that the online edit ends right before the pardon question.
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Harvard conservative magazine is suspended by its own board after publishing article laced with Nazi rhetoric

You did refer to the author and the article which you haven't read. I don't think it's fair to discuss articles we haven't read. I'm not sure I fully trust the Jewish Telegraphic Agency. Sounds kinda racist. I'd probably get thrashed if I started the White European Telegraphic Agency. Plus, why are they still sending telegraphs?
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University of California campuses mandate gender ideology training to register for classes

Following a couple of links takes me to the University of California's policy on Sexual Violence and Sexual Harassment (https://policy.ucop.edu/doc/4000385/SVSH). Section II.B.2, "Sexual Harassment", is consistent with the screenshot from the training video. I'd say that it's useful for a student to know what the university's policy is, even if they feel they must violate the policy.

I miss my home state terribly, but not their insane policies where teachers have more rights than parents to indoctrinate young innocent children.

Whatever rules ought to be in place for K-12, I'll note that the context in the OP is a university, so we're talking about adults, not young children. In a university setting, parents of students no longer have rights over their children (FERPA), but the students themselves have rights that need to be respected.

When the rights of two different students clash, then of course things become more complicated.
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What is the meaning of Total Depravity?

"Free will" is a human notion. . .Scripture does not present the totally "free will" of man (Jn 8:34).
No, free will is a notion of God- for man-otherwise sin, opposition to God's will, would be impossible to begin with and moral accountabilty would be a fallacy- and we already know that's not true which is why we hold people acountable in civil matters. They could've done other than the wrong they did; we know basic right from wrong. But we're here to learn, by revelation and grace, that the ultimate wrong, the injustice which we're ultimately and most importantly accountable for, is that injustice where man fails to have faith in God, demanding a justice/righteousness without which the world, with man at the helm, remains a place of sin, victimization, war, conflict, division, and then ending only in death. And that's why faith pleases God immensely, because we could do otherwise; we could fail to embrace that gift of faith that restores justice to ourselves, and by extension, to God's creation.

Man isn't totally free, with the perfect freedom that God posesses, but neither is he totally depraved; he's sufficiently free. God informs and calls and prompts him to answer, but won't totally override man's will at the end of the day. And that, and only that, is what makes hell, the choice to live apart from God and the love that consitutes and guarantees justice/righteousness, a matter of justice itself.
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Trump opens the door for sanctions on Nigeria over persecution of Christians

Do you understand this thread and the "sanctions threat"? I don't. As you note in this post, the US and other nations are supporting Nigeria in their fight against the Islamist insurgency of Boko Haram, ISIS, and al-Q. Do you understand what the WH thinks will help Christians (or any non-Muslim) in the insurgent held parts of Nigeria by sanctioning Nigeria? Hoping you understand what steve is talking about. Thanks.
Nigeria is low-hanging fruit for Trump's base. They're easy to bully in public.

Edit: Understand that the bullying itself is Trump's theater to get the applause of his base. The US and other nations have already been working with Nigeria, with the help of Nigeria, to deal with their many militant factions...that was an initial mission of AFRICOM.

But Trump's base wants to see him bullying someone. His modus operandi is always to be in the action of bullying someone, and Nigeria is next on the list.
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Fact-checking Trump's 60 minutes interview

Is this the opinion of everyone on the CF Advisory Team? Does everyone who isn't a Democrat just need to leave?
I didn't say that.

I also have the right to post here like other members.

If you have complaints about the administration, take it to support. This is not the place.
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Why do people hate ICE...

Faith leaders blocked by ICE from delivering Communion to immigrants speak out

The Coalition for Spiritual and Public Leadership (CSPL), a Catholic and Christian-rooted nonprofit, organized a Mass by the immigration processing center on All Saints Day and Día de los Muertos, or the Day of the Dead.

Okińczyc-Cruz said that CSPL formally submitted a letter requesting access more than a week in advance and took numerous steps for ministers to give Communion to migrants in the Broadview facility. This is the second time they were denied entry since their first attempt on Oct. 11, he told ABC News.

For nearly two decades, [Sister JoAnn] Persch and the late Sister Pat Murphy prayed for immigrants outside of the center, she said. A starkly different scene on Saturday emerged: leaders were not permitted to walk all the way down to the building, she told ABC News.

After speaking with the Illinois State Police, an officer called a supervisor of the Broadview Center, who said they could not come in due to safety reasons, Persch told ABC News.

"My thought after was, 'whose safety?' I had been in that building for 10 years, never any serious threat to me," she said.

Okińczyc-Cruz told ABC News the nonprofit plans to again ask for a meeting and submit another request to offer communion to people inside the Broadview facility. He stressed that without that opportunity, officials are "infringing upon people's religious freedom and religious liberty."
Well that's an interesting one.

My guess? "Your faith and practicing it, doesn't matter if you're here illegally...."
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Why do people hate ICE...

The only people I have seen, who hate ICE, so far are the criminals and those who support them.
A major issue in American politics today is equating policy disagreement with hatred toward policymakers. We should avoid using inflammatory language to describe differences of opinion. For productive and respectful conversations, it's important to choose thoughtful words when we disagree.
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Censorship?

AMBASSADOR HAT


This website uses the Nicene creed to determine who is and is not a Christian. Do you at least believe the principles and Scripture references outlined below?

Statement of Faith​

The Nicene Creed​

We believe in (Romans 10:8-10; 1John 4:15)
ONE God, (Deuteronomy 6:4, Ephesians 4:6)
the Father (Matthew 6:9)
Almighty, (Exodus 6:3)
Maker of Heaven and Earth, (Genesis 1:1)
and of all things visible and invisible. (Colossians 1:15-16)
And in ONE Lord Jesus Christ, (Acts 11:17)
the Son of God, (Mathew 14:33; 16:16)
the Only-Begotten, (John 1:18; 3:16)
Begotten of the Father before all ages. (John 1:2)
Light of Light; (Psalm 27:1; John 8:12; Matthew 17:2,5)
True God of True God; (John 17:1-5)
Begotten, not made; (John 1:18)
of one essence with the Father (John 10:30)
by whom all things were made; (Hebrews 1:1-2)
Who for us men and for our salvation (1Timothy 2:4-5)
came down from Heaven, (John 6:33,35)
and was incarnate of the Holy Spirit and the Virgin Mary, (Luke 1:35)
and became man. (John 1:14)
And was crucified for us (Mark 15:25; 1Cointhians 15:3)
under Pontius Pilate, (John 19:6)
and suffered, (Mark 8:31)
and was buried. (Luke 23:53; 1Corinthians 15:4)
And the third day He rose again, according to the Scriptures. (Luke 24:1 1Corinthians 15:4)
And ascended into Heaven, (Luke 24:51; Acts 1:10)
and sits at the right hand of the Father. (Mark 16:19; Acts 7:55)
And He shall come again with glory (Matthew 24:27)
to judge the living and the dead; (Acts 10:42; 2Timothy 4:1)
whose Kingdom shall have no end. (2 Peter 1:11)
And in the Holy Spirit, (John 14:26)
the Lord, (Acts 5:3-4)
the Giver of Life, (Genesis 1:2)
Who proceeds from the Father; (John 15:26)
Who with the Father and the Son together is worshipped and glorified; (Matthew 3:16-17)
Who spoke through the prophets. (1 Samuel 19:20 ; Ezekiel 11:5,13) In one, (Matthew 16: 18)
holy, (1 Peter 2:5,9)
catholic*, (Mark 16:15)
and apostolic Church. (Acts 2:42; Ephesians 2:19-22)
I acknowledge one baptism for the remission of sins**. (Ephesians 4:5; Acts 2:38)
I look for the resurrection of the dead, (John 11:24; 1Corinthians 15:12-49; Hebrews 6:2; Revelation 20:5)
and the life of the world to come. (Mark 10:29-30)
AMEN. (Psalm 106:48)

Notes​

* The word "catholic" (literally, "complete," "universal," or "according to the whole") refers to the universal church of the Lord Jesus Christ and not necessarily or exclusively to any particular visible denomination, institution, or doctrine.

** May be interpreted as baptism is a matter of obedience and not a requirement for salvation or as a regenerating ordinance.

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Throwing around remarks like "I am not a Nicene Christian" is not a good idea on this website and is a good way to get your faith group reassigned to non-Christian or just getting banned altogether.

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I do not mean that I am in disagreement with anything in the Nicene Creed, just that I am not bound to or by it. My faith is not in the many different creeds or professions of faith of differing denominations, it is in the holy scriptures as the final authority upon all subjects which it addresses, not creeds. I see nothing wrong in the Creed.

Yes, I understand what is meant by Catholic. That it is not a reference to Roman Catholicism or any other specific denomination. I actually appreciate that the Nicene Creed refers to the resurrection of the dead as the churches hope, and not simply going to heaven at death, as a great many believe.
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Morality without Absolute Morality

I have offered no judgement of your god. Not believing he exists is not the same as judging. I haven't even offered judgement of your God-derived morals. I have only commented on your assumptions and failures to comprehend any other position.
A jeweler need not study fakes in order to know they're false, only familiarize himself with the real thing. It's not a lack of comprehension on my end, it's your failure to understand me and what it is I am saying.
Inventing things again, you are.
Just going by your statements about how much you know and other marks of pride you display.
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A challenge to a faith we've all come to know

Since the beginning the church taught that communion with God, the opposite of Adam’s separation and alienation from Him, is the answer, to all man’s problems ultimately. That’s what we were made for, and that’s what we’re lost without, living in a state of chaos, injustice, disorder, outside of God’s wisdom and will, a state of sin, a state of death, IOW.

Without that vital connection and subjugation to God, sin is inevitable. So, the new covenant is not about attempting to be obedient first of all, as the old covenant was, but about becoming "My people" (Jer 31:32) first of all, being reconciled to God, the reason Jesus came. Then the true state of justice/righteousness is restored as we now walk in and by the Spirit, not by the Letter. The lesson man is here to learn: “Apart from Me you can do nothing” (John 15:5). The first step into that renewed relationship is faith.
Walking by the Spirit means not being under the condemnation of the law, but fulfilling its requirements through grace, as righteousness is imputed through faith of Jesus Christ.



Sin in the bible is transgression of the law.

It is the law that reveals to us we are sinful. Conviction of the Holy Spirit. This will lead one to Christ ... once a person accepts Jesus as their Lord and savior they undergo changes .... this changing is a earthly lifetime process .... sanctification ... we will stumble here and there ,,, the work of the Holy Spirit will help us overcome sin

the Holy Spirit helps overcome sin by convicting believers of sin, guiding them with wisdom, and transforming their desires to align with God's will. This work is not about self-effort but about allowing the Spirit's power to transform the inner person, resulting in a growing desire for righteousness over sinful cravings. Overcoming sin involves actively yielding to the Spirit's influence rather than just fighting against temptation.

The law has a dual purpose ...
To reveal sin and lead one to Christ:

Jesus initiates faith, and through His perfect life, death, and resurrection, he provides the foundation and completes the salvation that makes our faith possible and secure.
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Do the Ten Commandments still apply under the new covenant today?

Hebrews 4:1 "Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into His rest, any of you should seem to come short of it."


Hebrews 4:10 "For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from His."

There's our example right there of the rest we enter in today just God did from His. It is not stating anything about the weekly repose.

Hebrews 4:11 "Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, least any man fall after the same example of unbelief."

Today we can't put our rest in just one day of the week. After Christ we have that rest 24/7. That's also what it means to have the law written in our hearts. If one is doing the two commandments that Christ gave us than we are in fact fulfilling that law.
You showed the verses, but don't seem to be saying the words, so let me help you there, we are to FEAR as we may seem to come SHORT OF THAT REST, God ceased from HIs works, which is God created all by faith, and after Christ has competed all by faith entered into HIs glory/glorious rest, and we are to LABOUR TO ENTER, or fall after the same EXAMPLE OF UNBELIEF.

We do not have rest 24/7, we have exhortation, 24/7, a slight difference you might say.

Also God ceased from HIs works so we cease from works, as it is not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to the washing of regeneration and the renewing of the Holy Ghost He saved us.
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