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Oompa Loompa · Oct 29, 2025

rjs330 said:
Whats a legislative terrorist? Would that be Cuomo who killed thousands of old people in NYC?

It is a made up term like transgender. But I digress.

hopeforhappiness · Oct 29, 2025

DialecticSkeptic said:
Wait, what? Why?

They are not Reformed, then. Sorry, not sorry. (I am super biased.) They might be Reformed in heritage, but not in substance. As you seem to know, scripture and our confessional standards present penal substitutionary atonement as dogma (e.g., Belgic Confession, art. 21). Reformed theology may also embrace other biblical motifs—victory over death, moral renewal, covenant faithfulness, etc.—but these flow from and through penal substitution. Remove this atonement and the Reformed doctrine of justification collapses, because forensic righteousness requires that sin be legally punished and righteousness legally imputed.

To which confessional or creedal standards do they subscribe?

The Nicene Creed is definitely not a problem for those of the Reformed faith. It is one of the ecumenical symbols that the Reformed churches have always confessed as a faithful summary of biblical and universal orthodoxy (cf. Belgic Confession, art. 9, "we willingly receive the three creeds, of the Apostles, of Nicea, and of Athanasius").

But yes, the Nicene Creed was drafted (325 CE) at the Council of Nicaea to condemn Arianism, which denied Christ's full divinity. It affirmed that the Son is homoousios—of one essence with the Father—preserving the unity of the Godhead and the truth of salvation.

The denomination I am attending is Wesleyan Methodist. Atonement is part of the official catechism. I am asking my question on this forum as I know that I will get a thought-through reply. But I have been thinking that the Cross is not glorious material for preaching even in most of the evangelical churches that I have attended. It is in the hymns, certainly, but the preaching is only about "growing in Christ".
I have asked for a conversation with a retired evangelical Methodist minister to discuss this.
I have made a preacher on the rota very angry when I pointed out that I hadn't ever heard the gospel in this particular building. He came back with a very angry controlling message the next time. Blessings and curses for our choices but no Christ as solution. Legalism. No salvation. No wonder. No glory. No joy.

Oompa Loompa · Oct 29, 2025

FenderTL5 said:
Steve Bannon seems to think it is already a foregone conclusion.

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Yes. Trump will be president in 2028.

rjs330 · Oct 29, 2025

camille70 said:
said I have no respect for the House not being in session passing our bills and the President’s executive orders. And I demanded to know from Speaker Johnson what the Republican plan for healthcare is," she wrote.

Yeah that is too bad that during to the shutdown rhey cant pass their bills. But that's the Democrats fault. Maybe thats why they did it.

camille70 said:
Greene also argued that Republicans' shutdown strategy has angered the American people and hurt Trump’s popularity, according to the source on the call.

Rhe Republicans didnt shut the government down. That was rhe Democrats strategy.

rjs330 · Oct 29, 2025

essentialsaltes said:
The government has only alleged two members of Tren de Aragua were picked up.

So? It was a location know to be frequented by the gang. And they found two who lived there which would support their assertion. The fact that there weren't more there at the time was lucky for the gang.

lucypevensie · Oct 29, 2025

Autumn arrives just before winter.

lucypevensie · Oct 29, 2025

Twin brothers

lucypevensie · Oct 29, 2025

definitely makes life interesting.

Are you interested…

Tom8907 · Oct 29, 2025

1. Please pray for the verdict of what happened to abducted pastor Raymond Koh, due 5 November in Indonesia. Amazingly, Susanna Koh is still thanking God and thinking of how Raymond's case can be used for God's glory.

2. Believe it or not in some areas and communities in Mexico Christians face persecution. Ten year old Alissa had her pet dog poisoned, while poisoned the dog licked Alissa's sister, sending her to hospital. Alissa's former best friend is no longer friends with her due to Alissa's faith and all of her classmates bully her.

3. We learn of another child Robin from Bangladesh- at his village and at school he is blanked and simply known as 'The Christian'. His mum came to faith first, then her husband had a false conversion, then Robin came to Christ.

Robin and his family had fellowship at a local house church but one day a mob came to destroy it, thankfully all the brothers and sisters in Christ were warned in advance and managed to avoid the mob but the building was destroyed.

Jubayer (Robin's dad) obviously had a false conversion as he went with his own parents and tried to force Robin and his mum Moly to leave Christ- they would not so Jubayer divorced Moly and Jubayer refuses to provide them with financial help.

It was very moving to read how Moly encourages her son Robin with Bible stories and how at Christmas they gather at an event where Robin can play with other Christian children who know what he is going through and Moly can talk to other brothers and sisters in Christ.

4. I did a post awhile back on Jorina from Bangladesh - despite all she has been through she has a passion to serve other persecuted sisters in Christ. Hear her quote "If we live, we should live for the Lord. If we die, let it be for the glory of the Lord."

5. I mentioned pastor Yang from Myanmar and once again his family were displaced but now he has made the bold decision to return to the place he was displaced from to serve other believers. What a shepherds heart.

6. In the lead up to Open Doors IDOP event remember the words of our sister in Christ Khada from Afghanistan- "In a world that often forgets us, just knowing that someone, somewhere, is praying with a bright heart for us means that we are seen".

7. Dayang from the Southern Phillipines is yet another child that suffers for her faith in Christ- no other student at school will sit next to her, she is mocked for her prayers and on a recent afternoon she was injured by fellow students after they threw rocks at her. It was moving how Dayang's mother strengthens her in her faith in Christ.

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This will hit home- see a Nigerian pastor reacting to a massacre as he is conducting a burial.

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Tom8907 · Oct 29, 2025

OSAS is absolutely true, sinning to cheat grace is already dealt with in Paul's letters. OSAS does not mean genuine Christians don't grow in holiness.

God would not save someone from hell and then push them back into hell and say "just kidding".

“God loves the saints as the purchase of his Son's blood. They cost Him dear, and that which is so hardly got shall not be easily lost. He that was willing to expend his Son's blood to gain them, will not deny His power to keep them.” William Gurnall

rjs330 · Oct 29, 2025

essentialsaltes said:
It's been a month.

So far the government has alleged only two gang members were among those arrested. This is what required helicopters and zip-tying citizens.

Takeaways from AP report on a Chicago raid that signals a major escalation of immigration crackdown
The raid, led by U.S. Customs and Border Protection, targeted the Venezuelan gang Tren de Aragua, though officials said only two of the 37 immigrants arrested were gang members.

So there was Tren de Aragua there. And apparently 37 other illegals immigrants. Sounds like a successful raid. So they thought there more there. The fact that there were at least 2 is good enough for me.

rjs330 · Oct 29, 2025

MotoToTheMax said:
How do you feel about legislative terrorists? Do they have it coming too?

Whats a legislative terrorist? Would that be Cuomo who killed thousands of old people in NYC?

stevevw · Oct 29, 2025

Stopped_lurking said:
You can't skip provenance, all the vases in that article from Max was from Bealls collection. Not one of them have good provenance. If you keep using them as examples I'm going to point out their bad provenance.

Hum surely the idea that they don't have good provedence is subjective. Many date back to the mid to early 20th century. The problem is going to be that just about every vase including the ones in museums will date back to this period and mabe later 19th century. Because this is when they were discovered.

So many went to private collectors or were donated to museums. But even then theres no certificate of guarentee that they came directly from digs. So the whole provenance thing can be used subjectively.

Therefore we can determine their authenticity in other ways. For example the vases may have unique signatures that are exactly the same for which forgers would not bother. Little witness marks.

Also the owners of vases who sold them trace back to authentic people who had recieved them from digs. So its only one more step in the chain.

Still we have vases with good provenance that have the exact same signatures which lend weight to them being from the same sources.

But do you notice that in attacking the provenance people are actually admitting the vases are too modern to be from such early times. Which makes the ones with good prevenance out of place.

Stopped_lurking said:
So no context for the one found under Mastaba 17?

Yes, they were found under the Stepped pyramid and Mastaba 17. There were 1,000s of vases let along fragments because of collapses. So found under dirt and rubble and there for as long as the pyramids they are in. But many have engravings from predyanstic kings.

Stopped_lurking said:
Is that an actual ongoing dig? Any organics that could be carbon dated? Is the fragments from the same time as other proposed predynastic vases, if not why are we talking about them in conjunction?

Dan Perez · Oct 29, 2025

dms1972 said:
Could you possibly explain the the tenses for me, I am not sure the meaning AORIST?

And the AORIST. TENSE means is a simple Past tense and it correspomds. to our. past tense.

AND you can GOOGLE IT , but I have book called A MANUEL GRAMMER OF THE GREEK. NEW THEAMENT

by DANA. and MANTEY. and try a CHRISTIAN USED BOOK STORE and have brought a lot books by. ROBERT

C BROCK

that has NOTES , but he died many years ago , AND HAD. the opportunity. to visit his ASSEMBLY. in FLORIDA. and what a

TEACHER. and you can ask anything. an. be glad to help anytime. !!

And there is the PERFECT TENSE , Is a. present. results. is based on. a PAST ACT

The INDICATIVE MOOD. used to express Facts

the SUBJUNCATIVE MOOD , WHICH. ARE POSSIBILITIES. of thing that can HAPPEN

And the Imperative MOOD. to Express Commands

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d taylor · Oct 29, 2025

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John 6:37

Does John 6:37 Teach Election to Everlasting Life? – Grace Evangelical Society

d taylor · Oct 29, 2025

Dikaioumenoi said:
Why do those who take a drink, do so? Do they have the natural capacity apart from saving grace?

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God has given every person born the ability to exercise faith in something.
Atheist have faith in science and what evidence science presents, kids believe there actualy is a santa claus that brings their presents, etc.. . People either convict or exonerate because the evidence presented at a trial, so they either come to believe a person is innocent or guilty because of evidence.

When Jesus was alive and walking on earth in and around Jerusalem. People either believe in Jesus because they personally saw the miracles (the evidence) Jesus was doing or were told about what Jesus was doing by people who saw what Jesus was doing. And because The Tanakh fore told of a promise coming Messiah and gave signs as to who this person would be.

The woman then left her waterpot, went her way into the city, and said to the men, “Come, see a Man who told me all things that I ever did. Could this be the Christ?” Then they went out of the city and came to Him.
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And many of the Samaritans of that city believed in Him because of the word of the woman who testified, “He told me all that I ever did.” So when the Samaritans had come to Him, they urged Him to stay with them; and He stayed there two days. And many more believed because of His own word.

Now in contemporary times people come to believe in Jesus because of the witness of The Bible and the drawing of God to the truth presented in The Bible, that Jesus is The Christ. Especially The Gospel of John as it was specifically written to people who have not yet come to believe in Jesus for God's free gift of Eternal life.

And truly Jesus did many other signs in the presence of His disciples, which are not written in this book; but these are written that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that believing you may have life in His name.

Now when a person believes in Jesus, they have become convinced that what has been written in The Bible is true. That eternal life is received by belief in Jesus, The Gospel of John states this many times 10+

tdidymas · Oct 28, 2025

Guojing said:
This reasoning of yours is common among those I have seen who tries to argue that OSAS will also apply during Daniel's 70th week.

Since the Tribulation will last about 7 years, in the end you are actually saying the same thing as me.

That you are not assured of salvation even if you believe the gospel, say in year 1. Because if you end up taking the mark later, say in year 6 or 7, then your faith failed the test.

Which is the same as saying that there is no such thing as OSAS: You are not a true believer, until you show that, for the entire 7 years, you will not take the mark of the beast.

What about all the people who believe and die long before the mark of the beast becomes the ultimate test? It seems to me your scenario is a straw man, because it appears to be set up for failure. There is plenty of evidence for OSAS in the NT that you can find, if you care to look for it. But if you persist against the idea, your only recourse is to live in the fear of eternal condemnation, wondering whether or not you'll make it. Might as well join the popes and cardinals who admit they don't know where they will end up.

GoldenBoy89 · Oct 28, 2025

Aryeh Jay said:
Not entirely false. Trump will be President for most of January 2028.

I’ll be worried if he’s still president in February 2028.

stevevw · Oct 28, 2025

Palmfever said:
Another different style;

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Yep and I think the classic Spanish guitar was the orginal lead guitar. Great stuff. I have memories of westerns where theres a scene and the flamingo guitar is playing in the background. It makes the scene.

But also I think there are the middle eastern and Indian versions of stringed instruments like the Oud or Sitar that have a similar sound but perhaps are tuned differently. They have the flamingo sound. Its sort of a version of folk music but of a different pitch perhaps.

Aryeh Jay · Oct 28, 2025

Bradskii said:
Bannon: '“Trump is going to be president in ’28, and people ought to just get accommodated with that,”

Not entirely false. Trump will be President for most of January 2028.

stevevw · Oct 28, 2025

Palmfever said:
Phil keagy is in my opinion the best christian guitarist;
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Here is one that doesn't showcase his guitar, but I believe you believers who support the right to life will enjoy this.

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Love Phil Keagy. I remember catching the train to my mums in the country and listening to his guitar work. It was great because he was a Christian and I thought how could a Christian play so good lol. I think his guitarwork actually sounded Christian lol. Just the way he placed the notes.

stevevw · Oct 28, 2025

Postvieww said:
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Man he is good. I like Rick Beato's videos on music and he knows what he is talking about. As he says Guthrie's inprovisation is second to none. Unbelievable. Even looking at his fingers. I wish I had fingers like that. They look like a giant Tarantula crawling up and down the guitar neck. His reach is unreal.

Like Rick says you can't even tell the technique because there isn't any. I watched his picking hand and he was just picking real fast of singular strings with his other the fingers on the other hand moving as fast to the picking. Sometimes its sounding like jazz and running all over the place but all sounding good. Thankyou great stuff.

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