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CF has always been a site that welcomes people from different backgrounds and beliefs to participate in discussion and even debate. That is the nature of its ministry. In view of recent events emotions are running very high. We need to remind people of some basic principles in debating on this site. We need to be civil when we express differences in opinion. No personal attacks. Avoid you, your statements. Don't characterize an entire political party with comparisons to Fascism or Communism or other extreme movements that committed atrocities. CF is not the place for broad brush or blanket statements about groups and political parties. Put the broad brushes and blankets away when you come to CF, better yet, put them in the incinerator. Debate had no place for them. We need to remember that people that commit acts of violence represent themselves or a small extreme faction.
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Hell doesn't exist and there is no eternal suffering, instead bad peolle just cease to exist
- By Hentenza
- Controversial Christian Theology
- 690 Replies
It was not my verse. The poster that I answered quoted it.
Meaning is based on context NOT on whatever meaning you think helps your case better.
No. In light of the verses that I posted after answering the other posters verses your definition of destroy does not work. You guys keep saying to use all of scripture but it does not seem to apply to both of you.
In your opinion and interpretation. Tell me do the wicked cease to exist in the following verse?
““Then He will also say to those on His left, ‘Depart from Me, you accursed people, into the eternal fire which has been prepared for the devil and his angels;”
Matthew 25:41 NASB2020
Matthew 25:41 “Then He will also say to those on His left, ‘Depart from Me, you accursed people, into the eternal fire which has been prepared for the devil and his angels | New American Standard Bible - NASB (NASB2020) | Download The Bible App Now
“Then He will also say to those on His left, ‘Depart from Me, you accursed people, into the eternal fire which has been prepared for the devil and his angels
bible.com
After all scripture should agree with scripture, don’t you think?
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Why do people hate ICE...
- By stevevw
- American Politics
- 404 Replies
I diagreeing with your assumption that I am clueless because I live on a large island and have no fenses or guards.
More politicing.
I still cannot see what this has got to do with immigration and border security. You seem to be dredging up unrelated stuff about stereotypical cultural icons from decades ago. What has DEI got to do with it. Are you bringing in DEI as why the government is cracking down on border security.
Are you saying that because there is a history of violence against immigrants that this somehow negatives policies to toughen up immigration and border security.
I was saying that people can protest but not commit violence or call for violence or do violence against others as part of the protests. That it seems as a result the tension has gone up 10 notches and we are seeing an increase in violent speak and acts including terror acts. This is an observation and a reality. To say nothing about whose fault but that its a fact it is happening.
I don't think this is what they are trying to combat. Its more the criminal and terror groups or people that are fighting the policy or cracking down. Did not an ICE facility get shot up and other shooters. Was not ANTIFA involved. Maybe a bomb threat. There have been riots and in some places its increased 1,000%.
I have seen people in streets throwing things at ICE agents. They are doxing them in the hope they and their family are identified and attacks and possibly killed.
Immigration Brief: Domestic Extremists Target ICE Officers
Immigration Brief: Domestic Extremists Target ICE Officers
New analysis from the Center for Immigration Studies highlights the growing threat that ICE agents face from those who oppose border security and law enforcement. Last summer, Deputy Secretary of Homeland Security Claire Grady issued a warning to employees that they were under "heightened...
cis.org
The Rising Threat of Anti-Government Domestic Terrorism: What the Data Tells Us
The number of domestic terrorist attacks and plots against government targets motivated by partisan political beliefs in the past five years is nearly triple the number of such incidents in the previous 25 years combined, according to new CSIS analysis of 30 years of domestic terrorism data in the United States.
The Rising Threat of Anti-Government Domestic Terrorism: What the Data Tells Us
The number of U.S. domestic terrorist attacks and plots against government targets motivated by partisan political beliefs in the past five years is nearly triple the number of such incidents in the previous 25 years combined, according to new CSIS analysis.
I agree if they are being violent. But what is violence. For some simply stopping undocumented immigrants is violence. If as a result that the mre radical arm of those who believe imigrants should not be stopped become violent what then. Should the government increase their protection and ability to combat these radicals. Or increase law and order as a result of it getting out of hand.
Hum this is what I am seeing. Were there not terror attacks on ICE facilities. Are not people in the streets attacking ICE agents just moving through the streets. Is not ANTIFA an organised terror group commiting terror against ICE. The articles above say otherwise. They speak of a rising terror full stop that is unjustified. If there is a rising terror should not the government be prepared.
This reminds me of the riots and violence in past revolutions. They have a right to protest but not use violence. The fact is overall violence is rising and theres been more terror attacks and shootings than in the last 30 years or more.
But not just for ICE. A general rising of violence and culture wars. Three attempts on Trump and Kirk is just a couple of examples. But other assassinations of people and shootings and violence is rising. The climate is heating up.
Hum is Antifa a group that uses violence and terror. If they did not do it then was this attack an act of terror against a government department. Is there any organised groups who are willing to commit violence and terror against the US government.
Federal prosecutors have secured a grand jury indictment of two alleged followers of the antifa movement on terrorism-related charges stemming from their involvement in a July 4 attack on an ICE detention facility in Alvarado, Texas
DOJ charges alleged antifa followers with terrorism offense for attack on Alvarado ICE facility
Two alleged antifa followers have been indicted in what appears to be the first time a charge of terrorism has been applied to followers of the anti-fascist movement.
Anarchists and Rioters in Portland Illegally Dox ICE Officers and Federal Law Enforcement
Multiple organizations appear to be responsible for doxing these federal officers, including an anarchist and Antifa-affiliated group based in Portland called “Rose City Counter-Info” and another called “The Crustian Daily.” Both of these groups have published the names, pictures, and personal address of ICE officers on their websites.
Anarchists and Rioters in Portland Illegally Dox ICE Officers and Federal Law Enforcement | Homeland Security
Department of Homeland Security Secretary Kristi Noem today released the following statement addressing criminals and Antifa-affiliated groups continued efforts to dox the personal information of Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) officers in Oregon.
If you add the above articles it seems Anifia is a rising problem that is willing to use violence and promote it. But also splinter groups are growing. A similar thing happened with BLM. These groups though well intended can promote radicalism. Many are linked to other terror groups.
There is definitely a rising problem of radicalisation in US politics. But its also worldwide and the same basic divide of radical left and right.
The Rise of Political Violence in the United States
The Rise of Political Violence in the United States | Journal of Democracy
In a deeply polarized United States, ordinary people now consume and espouse once-radical ideas and are primed to commit violence.
www.journalofdemocracy.org
Is that a way of justifying whats happening.
I don't know him but it seems the independent evidence supports his claim that political violence is rising and more are willing to use violence as a means.
Student acceptance of violence in response to speech hits a record high
According to FIRE’s annual College Free Speech Rankings survey, in 2020, the national average showed about 1 in 5 students said it was ever acceptable to use violence to stop a speaker. That number has since risen to a disturbing 1 in 3 students.
Student acceptance of violence in response to speech hits a record high
In 2020, just 1 in 5 students said it was acceptable to use violence to stop a speaker. Now it’s 1 in 3 — a nearly 80% jump in five years.
There’s a growing number of Americans who think violence might be necessary to get the country back on track
There’s a growing number of Americans who think violence might be necessary to get the country back on track
Nearly a third of Americans – 30% – say people may have to resort to violence in order to get the country back on track, according to the latest PBS News/NPR/Marist poll.
www.pbs.org
I did and I am way ahead and your not keeping up. I said there were similarities between radicalism of Islamist and the radicalism that is behind the growing violence and terror attacks in the US. I explained this a bit above.
You cannot see this as your probably don't understand sociology and psychology of the thinking behind such radicalism. This is my area. Yours maybe physics but mine is human sciences.
More of the same. More persecution of Jews and increasing persecution of Christians.
Really is that the trench you want to die in. You really don't think there is any truth to the UN assessments. I know they can be highly biased. But I just gave you ample independent evidence of this. Do you not notice the rise in unrest and civil conflicts, protests, riots in many nations. The increasing use of violence.
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Is Romans 3:25 in the Greek in ANY manuscript version the same? (Some who knows greek - help)
- By Hawkins
- General Theology
- 33 Replies
It doesn't seem so. All translations are more on "a mercy seat through faith" and (a mercy) through His blood.
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