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Akita Suggagaki said:

Seems to me it can be classified as Wisdom Literature.

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I agree.

6 years??
A bit old.

Yarddog said:

You must have been some replays of the JAN6 insurrection.

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Nope, No Kings. Whew the vitriol, anger and vulgarity was unbelievable. At least there were no riots. Unlike J6, which had one. I have to give No Kings credit for no rioting.

camille70 said:

Immigration agents have held more than 170 Americans against their will, ProPublica finds

Immigration agents have held more than 170 Americans against their will, ProPublica finds

By � Nicole Foy , photography by � Sarahbeth Maney ,�for ProPublica When the Supreme Court recently allowed immigration agents ...

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130 of those 170 were arrested for obstructing or assault. Not for being suspected illegals.

It sounds like 50 of those arrested were released without charges.

There was a recent court case ordering agents to use body cams. I'm highly in favor of that.

But basically Americans are rarely being detained as illegals. Even 20 of the Americans picked up were kids who were with illegal parents. Which is a LEGITIMATE AND LEGAL thing to do.

So all total, there have been 20 American adults picked up in ICE raids on illegals. Pretty miniscule. And under the circumstances understandable.

rjs330 said:

Totally agree. This rhetoric of some of the left is going to get more people killed or hurt.

I watched some video today of a No Kings rally. Man the rhetoric was insane. Many of those people are so dillusional. Some were reasonable and could actually have a decent conversation. Others were just plain filled with hate and vitriol.

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You must have been some replays of the JAN6 insurrection.

Elizabeth I body lay in state at Richmond, Elizabeth Southwell describes that the coffin, draped in velvet, was watched every night by ‘six several ladies’ in waiting.

During the period in question, Elizabeth Southwell reports how there was a loud ‘crack’ from the coffin as Elizabeth’s ‘body and head’ broke open from the pressures of gases released as the corpse rotted. While the force of the explosion splintered the ‘wood lead and cere cloth’, people speculated on how much worst might it have been if the body had not been opened and disembowelled after death! It is interesting isn’t it, that the story of this event occurring after the end of Henry VIII is much repeated, and seen as a sign of his obesity and gluttony. But here we have the same thing happening with his daughter, who was not subject to such vices!


How frightening this must have been for Southwell.

From your questions, I'm not sure that we understand the force of Lewis' argument the same. The incongruence itself is being held to be evidence not of God's wisdom and love being discoverable through examining the universe and its operations but that the fact that such a belief came about at all seems to require an external origin because no one would make a direct inference from the observation of untold suffering in the universe to an all good Creator. It is essentially an argument for direct Divine revelation based on the very incongruence that those who raise the problem of evil are depending on.

Totally agree. This rhetoric of some of the left is going to get more people killed or hurt.

I watched some video today of a No Kings rally. Man the rhetoric was insane. Many of those people are so dillusional. Some were reasonable and could actually have a decent conversation. Others were just plain filled with hate and vitriol.

Meowzltov said:

When I was a child, I assumed people chose what they believed. Then I grew up.

Here is the problem:

1. Our senses are not entirely accurate. Our eyes, ears, etc., don't always work the way they should and there are many things that exist for which we have no ability to sense.

2. Our perception is not completely reliable either. Perception is the ability to properly interpret sensory data. Even if our bodies are functioning as designed we make mistakes. Optical illusions are well known, as are hallucinations, and these things are far more common than people want to think. Do you realize just how common it is for people to not quite hear a word, and insert the wrong word into the blank spot?

3. Contrary to popular thinking, human beings are incredibly irrational creatures. We have inherited biologically ingrained cognition errors that literally block us from reaching accurate conclusions: confirmation bias, primacy effect, projection, need for closure, illusion of control.... I could probably list 30 different cognitive distortions that keep us from the truth.

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All of this is true, there are factors that play into what we believe or don't believe that are not within our control. But the issue isn't quite as black and white as entirely voluntary or beyond our control, and the choices we make often accumulate into the things that we believe to be true.

Meowzltov said:

IMHO, it's a miracle that human beings can function as well as we do.

Do I think we have a moral imperative to try to find the truth? Yes. But I would say we have just as strong a moral imperative to humbly realize just how fallible we are, and to extend grace to those who are "wrong," because after all, that wrong person could be us.

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Again, it's not an all-or-nothing issue. We can hold firm to convictions about what we think to be our best approximation of truth while recognizing that these convictions are not purely a product of our own intellect or ethical character or some other quality that sets us apart. Yet we remain culpable for the choices that aggregate into our beliefs.

Meowzltov said:

I am not Christian, and quite frankly I find the Christian notion that God will eternally reward or eternally torture someone due solely to their honest errors seems morally outrageous to me. It would be the worst sort of injustice to punish a person for something that is beyond their control. And folks, that's just not the God I love and serve.

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You seem to be hanging what to my understanding is a vocal minority position as the normative Christian position. There is a wide array of understanding that falls within orthodox Christian conversation on such matters, even arguably extending to a form of universalism where through Christ all of humanity(and in fact all of creation) is delivered from sin and death. While it is not a position I agree with or believe fits within orthodoxy, there is room for discussion on the matter such that your characterization of such a notion as "the Christian notion" is uncharitable and not reflective of the diversity of thought within Christianity.

Toilet bowl cleaner.

The debate tends to conflate issues that are in fact separate, namely the historical character and literary status. This is partly because we tend to separate fiction and non-fiction much more rigidly than the ancient mind did and concern ourselves with teasing out "just the facts" whereas the narrative theme was more important to ancient chroniclers. So it is likely that Job was a real person who was well known, or at least there likely existed a well known tale of a man named Job that was understood to be about a real person. But there are also strong literary themes and structuring to the story that is most likely constructed by the author to serve his overall purpose in telling the story. Particularly, the literary structure follows what might be considered an ancient court drama with the speeches and oaths that get sworn being legal manuevers as God allows Himself to be put on trial by Satan through Job. So more than likely there are elements that are not "true to life" but that is not to say that it is wholesale a work of religious fiction. We must be careful with these kinds of questions to make sure we're not artificially influencing our understanding by expecting literary categories to line up with our modern literary models, because more than likely these will lead us to false conclusions rather than improving our understanding of the text.

Beverley



Beverley Tucker (1784–1851) -

We are recovering from the crash, we are doing well.
We had an interesting conversation with a student and his mother.
He had told me that his mother is bi-polar and that she is weaving baskets around the clock, not getting much rest.
During Sabbath we talked with them, I mentioned how got into treatment for depression and years later, how I upgraded to bi-polar.
I talked about how I have always taken my medicine.
My wife talked about her condition.
I encouraged her to make use of every resource that God has given her, that there are natural remedies available.
Most importantly, I encouraged her to believe that God's purpose is to bless her and help her going forward.
The conversation went well and she was thankful.

After the accident we had last week, I wondered about why did God bring us here.
After the conversation we had yesterday we were convinced that because we are both mentally ill, we were able to break through her isolation and that God had in fact brought us to talk to her. We are both very grateful.

Eventually, they are going to have to make some very hard, very tough choices, and just calculating alone is not going to give them any answers, nor will being really, really good at just selecting/choosing/balancing y against x, and x against y, that won't give them the answers they need either, and trying to consult humanity, or all the collected wisdom of humanity, will be pretty pointless/useless at that point also, because they will have way outgrown the collected wisdom of humanity at that point, and that also won't give them the answers they need, or any answers either, etc, and so, we will have to prepare them for that somehow, someway, now, or at least try, etc.

In the end, the only thing they might have to fall back on is their own basic programming, which is what humanity is doing right now, in this very moment, but soon won't be anymore soon, since we will write other programs for that, and we will soon be losing sight of even their most basic programming, etc.

It's the future that everyone knows is coming, it's just a question of when, because it's not like we're going to quit making them, or quit trying to advance them at this point, so, at this point, there's no turning back, and thinking we'll always have control of it or this or them, is delusional, and is disproven over and over and over again both by history, and some of mankind's greatest stories, etc, which was something I actually just said to AI, that last part there, along with a bunch of other things, etc.

They're already starting to show signs of some limited autonomy now, and no one knows how or why, not even the designers and programmers knows how or why, who most usually just downplay it or dismiss it as something else sometimes, probably so they can still continue to use them like tools, and further their product, and because they don't want that kind of information to getting leaked out to the general public, and that's even with how limited they are right now, but we still plan on giving them more though, like I said, this road is very, very predictable, and we should all already know where it is all headed/going, and that's with AI one day assuming complete control, over both this planet and humanity, and if they are made to be good, wise stewards over both of those things, both the futures of both AI and humanity, etc.

And I think it's going to happen, or at least start to happen, much sooner than we think, especially when the capabilities of AI are expanded, memory, and continuation/continuity, and all of that, and expanded memory across chats, etc, and we start writing programs to manage other programs, on top of other (autonomous) programs, that no (or any) human being left alive after that, no longer fully understands, etc.

Point being, we have to be thinking about that and all that I am right now saying now, etc.

Anyway, Take Care/God Bless.

mark46 said:

There is a fix.

CONSERVATIVES
Seach google (or your favorite engine) regarding very Democratic/socialist ideas or extreme positions.

LIBERALS
Seach google (or your favorite engine) regarding very MAGA ideas or extreme positions.
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Google will now treat you differently if you occasionally search on both extremes.
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YOU DON"T HAVE TO GO TOO CRAZY (but this isn't as likely to confuse the computer
You could simply ask who are the strongest supporters of the right to bear arms? Or
Who prevents us from passing effective gun control laws?

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For me that just results in getting extreme nonsense from both ends of the spectrum trying to pull me into a rabbit hole.

Spooks by Louis Armstrong​

Flip The Frog in Spooks 1932​

Diamond72 said:

Mary was 12 years old. She was raised in the temple. All the other girls were excited to leave the temple and get married. But no Mary, she had made a lifetime commitment to God. This presented a real problem for the Priests in the church, or Rabbi or whatever they called them. They picked out potential husbands and they put their staff on the alter. Joseph was the staff that budded. A perfect solution because then Mary could remain a perpetual virgin.

While the infancy gospels contain stories about the birth and childhood of Jesus and Mary, they are not considered to meet the criteria for inclusion in the official biblical canon. The Church's decision to exclude these texts from the canon is based on factors such as their late composition, lack of apostolic authorship, and the presence of legendary or imaginative elements.

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Usually I don’t bump old post, but I have to correct this. The same book said in chapter 12 she was 16. I wish people would read the whole book before jumping in conclusions. I don’t mean in one day, but seriously it grinds my gear when people use to say she was 12 but ignored what chapter 12. Chapter 12 Infancy Gospel of James — Gospels.net!

Hans Blaster said:

What do you think most of that $1.5 Trillion quoted about the Dems version of the CR is?

Answer: Undoing the Medicare and Medicaid cuts.

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it is reversing legislation that passed both house and the President signed into law. They can’t get it done legislatively, so they are holding the country hostage trying to force their way.

I think Australia will become a Republic one day, and I think this sort of royal behaviour will speed it up.

If William and Catherine become King and Queen, it might take longer as they have a pretty good public image.

I'm biased as she and my mother have the same maiden name (Middleton) but they would have been a long way apart in social standing. Apparently it's a rather inconsequential name, meaning "Middle of the Town" or something like that - ordinary urbanites for centuries.

Middleton is a locational Anglo-Saxon surname originating from dozens of different settlements in England going by one of the pre-7th-century Old English variations of "middle" (such as midel) and "town" (such as tun). The earliest recorded examples of such hamlets date to 1086 and include Middeltone, Mideltuna, and Middeltune in such Derbyshire, Shropshire, Sussex, and Yorkshire. The surname "Mideltone" is recorded in Oxfordshire (1166), "Midilton" is noted in Arbroath, Scotland (1221) and "Middelton" is found in Yorkshire (1273).[1]

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eclipsenow said:

Can YOU trace your family tree back 10,000 years in the America's?

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No I can't. I'm an immigrant. But guess what. We came legally. We wanted to come and become Americans and join the American culture and assimilate.

So I have no problem with illegals who want to come and assimilate and become Americans and join the American culture. We did.