chevyontheriver said:

You have proof they were not Christians because they were raped?

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I have no proof anyone was raped, much less of their religious affiliations.

chevyontheriver said:

You have proof they were not Christians because they were raped?

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I'd compare Hoping to someone like Augustine who actually had to deal with women who had been raped during the sacking of Rome. He offerred consolation and the compassion to said women and told them their purity was still in tact despite the great evil that had been done to them. What would Hoping tell them? "You were raped and therefore are not of God because God would have protected. You being raped is evidence of your sinfulness."

Genuinely psychotic.

Ignatius the Kiwi said:

So we can conclude that any woman in history who was raped was not a true Christian. Even if she believed in God, her being raped is evidence of her not having faith in God? Be her a Nun, a Mother or young woman? This is your position? That God protects women who believe in him from rape?

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Yes, that is the sort of God I believe in.
He has provided many exhortations on how holy women can keep themselves safe.
I have faith that His teachings accomplish their intended goals.
Don't you believe the obedient won't be let down, in the 'crunch' ?

Hoping2 said:

That is the way I see it.

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So we can conclude that any woman in history who was raped was not a true Christian. Even if she believed in God, her being raped is evidence of her not having faith in God? Be her a Nun, a Mother or young woman? This is your position? That God protects women who believe in him from rape?

Always in His Presence said:

8 US Code 1325:

(a)Improper time or place; avoidance of examination or inspection; misrepresentation and concealment of facts​

Any alien who (1) enters or attempts to enter the United States at any time or place other than as designated by immigration officers, or (2) eludes examination or inspection by immigration officers, or (3) attempts to enter or obtains entry to the United States by a willfully false or misleading representation or the willful concealment of a material fact, shall, for the first commission of any such offense, be fined under title 18 or imprisoned not more than 6 months, or both, and, for a subsequent commission of any such offense, be fined under title 18, or imprisoned not more than 2 years, or both.​

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Innocent until proven guilty - Their presence is direct evidence of guilt.

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That's not how due process works.

Always in His Presence said:

It's really an obvious thing - the due process is then described. There it is - plain as day.

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So let them have their day in court with legal representation, just like any other accused defendant. If we held to the standard you're suggesting here, Donald Trump would have been jailed immediately upon being accused. His crimes were no less obvious, but he still had his day in court and due process before his guilt was proven.

Always in His Presence said:

-- Always in His Presence, good to see you supporting our constitution and laws.

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Always have, always will.

-- A2SG, would that our chief executive had the same respect or support for it....

chevyontheriver said:

That was the modus operandi of Muslims who came into Christian villages in South Sudan, killing and burning houses, but raping the young women and taking them back to Khartoum to be sold as slaves in the slave markets. The same was repeated by ISIS in Iraq. You don't know of any Christian women ever having been raped. Explain that away.

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How did you prove that those women were Christians ?
By their addresses ?

Ignatius the Kiwi said:

So if a woman was raped, she was not a Christian? Is this your position? I want to get to the bottom of this. So let's focus on this point.

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That is the way I see it.

Jipsah said:

God being absoltely bound by our generally idiotic choices. Right.

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Right.
The "rules" have been laid out, and the rewards for heeding, or violating those rules, have been made clear to everyone.
God will judge fairly on the last day.

NewLifeInChristJesus said:

Thank you for answering the question. I have a couple of follow-on questions because I don't quite understand the sinless perfection argument

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Ask away !

NewLifeInChristJesus said:

Scripture is clear in its instructions to Christians to avoid sinning.

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Are we ever instructed to do the impossible ?
Not at all !

NewLifeInChristJesus said:

It is unclear to me how you all address that issue. My most reasonable guess is that you all think it is possible to sin, but you are empowered to avoid it.

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Correct.
The old man, "flesh", prior affections, and lusts, have all been crucified.
Temptations can be resisted after rebirth from God's seed.
Further sin manifests one never truly repented of sin or was reborn of God's seed...as we can only bring forth the 'fruit' of our Progenitor.

NewLifeInChristJesus said:

But then, that would contradict verses like 1 Jonh 3:9

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Not at all.
The new life is constantly under assault, and the falsely repentant will fall.
It is our reactions to temptations that determine if we are reborn, or just faking it.
Those reborn of God will always resist.

NewLifeInChristJesus said:

and Ephesians 4:24.

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Gotta remember that Paul is not only writing to truly converted men, but also to newbies, and to us in the future too.
Some of his writings have already been accomplished in the proven, but have not yet been heeded by the merely inquisitive.
They have yet to realize the "cost" of a true turn from sin and unto God.
Remember the parable about that tower builder on Luke 14:28-30; he didn't have what it took to complete his plan.
So too, some join the church only to find out they don't really want to commit ALL of their life to the effort.

NewLifeInChristJesus said:

My second best guess would be that you see the imperatives that urge people to stop sinning are simply calls for them to be saved so that after that they won't sin any more.

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I fail to see how that is different from your "first" guess.
Men are to turn to God...FROM sin!

NewLifeInChristJesus said:

Can you provide the sinless perfection perspective on Scripture's instructions to Christians to avoid sinning?

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The audience of all of scripture contains a mixture of the converted and the merely interested.
Some of the teachings have already been adopted by some, but not yet, by others.
For instance...Just because a scrip' says to stop committing adultery, that doesn't mean anyone is still committing adultery.
But when an adulterer does come along, he will see that he has to change his ways...or leave.

Hope that helps...

Fantine said:

Evil is spelled out in the ten commandments. Evil is spelled out in the Bible. "Love your neighbor as yourself."

Catholics have the corporal works of mercy.

Our nation has been descending into evil at a feverish pace since 1/20/2025.

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The Catholic Church also stands for protecting the life of the unborn and in support of marriage between one man and one woman

seems you left those out

Hans Blaster said:

I think we already laughed at this "documentary proof".

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Is it posted somewhere on this thread?

Dungeons and Dragons

Vambram said:

The Director of National Intelligence, the FBI Director, and Senator Grassley have provided the documents about the deep state coup against President Trump.

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You should post it.

ThatRobGuy said:

It's not moral insufficiency, it's self-control insufficiency in some cases, and medication insufficiency in other cases.

In both cases, they don't know what they're doing because they're impaired.

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Which of those two categories do homeless people who have jobs fall into?

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According to astronomers, the Andromeda galaxy is 2.537 million light years away.

Allegedly this means we're seeing Andromeda as it existed 2.537 million years ago.

But that's assuming the farther away something is, the older it is.

According to the Bible, Andromeda was created in 4004 BC.

Can you reconcile this with theoretical physics?

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Whoa, wait a minute there. How does something farther away than Andromeda mean it is older than Andromeda? Is Andromeda only 2.537 years old? I would think you mean to say, "...assuming the farther away something is, we are seeing it as it was longer ago than how we are seeing Andromeda", or something like that.

But, I'm curious about what you are getting at.

If you want to know how the Bible can claim Andromeda was created 6,000+ years ago, if we are seeing it as is was 2,537 years ago, I don't know why that is a problem. I should think it would be more of a problem to wonder about, how God could 4000+ years ago create the galaxies that we see billions of light years away. But I know that if God is First Cause, then he "invented" time and he knows it completely and can do anything with it for which he created it. All we've been able to do with time is speculate on it and waste it.

How old was Adam when God created him?


Later: Oh, my bad. I thought you said thousands of light years -not millions.

Hoping2 said:

I don't know of any Christian women ever having been raped.
Your scenarios are without faith.

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So if a woman was raped, she was not a Christian? Is this your position? I want to get to the bottom of this. So let's focus on this point.

Ignatius the Kiwi said:

And no one else has since the Apostles except for you.

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Thank God, you are wrong about that.
As faith come by hearing, don't you think it was faithful people who have continued to present the gospel, since the apostles ?

Ignatius the Kiwi said:

And yet it does happen even to people who pray.

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To the glory of God, I'm sure !

Ignatius the Kiwi said:

My response to this is that you desire it to happen more than you desire to stop it.

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Not at all.

Ignatius the Kiwi said:

That is if prayer does not stop a rapist it is preferable for the rapist to rape than be stopped via force.
Its an evil doctrine and position that only Satan could endorse.

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Your scenario sure would be.
But your opinion does not reflect my posts.

Ignatius the Kiwi said:

Given your previous words those who were murdered lacked faith and deserved to die

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You will need to provide the post # where I said that...or recant.

Ignatius the Kiwi said:

this is a contradiction and you appeal to two sides of this argument when you think you run into trouble. When it is pointed out that men and women have died you say it has brought forth glory for God. Then when you are asked what you would do in a situation in which a person is being murdered or raped you say God will never allow that to happen to you, despite acknowledging it can happen.

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I disagree with your citing of me.
The only faithful folks I know of that have been murdered, besides the apostles themselves, were Stephen and Antipas.
All of those deaths glorified God.

Ignatius the Kiwi said:

The ultimate problem is that you are ashamed of your beliefs and you cannot admit to the consequences of them.

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Only your view on them seems to be a problem.

Ignatius the Kiwi said:

If you believe God himself will directly address all evil and that people are forbidden to do so, instead of the traditional view that we can be instruments of God especially when we do good for the defense of someone, then stick to it.

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Thank you.

Ignatius the Kiwi said:

Follow the consequences of this monstrous and murderous ideology fears a Christians raising their hand against someone who deserves it more than evil people doing things like murder or rape.

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Your scenario is one without faith in God's protection.

Ignatius the Kiwi said:

Tell the woman who is being raped, you need to be raped because God will be glorified through this and I am not allowed to intervene and stop it from happening. I have the power to, I could bash the man over the head with a rock and save you, but I won't because God wants to be glorified and he demands this happen to you. It is also potentially happening to you because you lacked faith and you deserve it.
This in the end is your ideology and viewpoint hoping and i think it's disgusting.

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I don't know of any Christian women ever having been raped.
Your scenarios are without faith.

rjs330 said:

I think they do.
And then there is the left and leftist media who wake up in the morning every day considering how they can accuse Trump of something evil every day.

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One of the advantages of paranoia is the ability to read minds.

RDKirk said:

That doesn't make much sense in the real world unless the fact that they are women can be totally ignored in the field...and it can't.

Moreover, what we had learned as early as the 80s is that the testosterone factor will always ultimately win out. Young men have vastly superior recuperability over women--any woman (except genetic anomalies like Caster Semenya)--that give them the ability to fully heal from repeated microfractures in a very short amount of time.

For instance, a hard march under a 90-pound ruck actually damages the joints. Hitting the dirt in a parachute jump actually damages the joints. There are micro fractures in the bones, micro tears in muscles and ligaments.

Young men heal from them practically overnight. Older men and women do not...those injuries simply accumulate. That's why even the women who appear to do well in those combat positions will have short careers (or will very quickly transfer out of those positions) before being medically discharged.

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That's all very well, but how does it address the proposition at hand? That women should have the vote, but the feminists (vaguely defined) among them should not have the vote unless they register for the draft? Or that a feminist (again, vaguely defined) who is disrepectful to a man should expect a violent physical response?

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Still no charges.

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He was charged with lying about his collusion with Russian agents.

Supposedly, Stone left the Trump campaign in 2015, but Trump pardoned him, for reasons that seem obvious.