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FutureAndAHope · Jun 8, 2025

GoldenKingGaze said:
I mean to ask if God wanted more salvations from the apostles than they actually reaped into the kingdom?

What you will find, especially if you talk to people from nations where the gospel is restricted today, is that God uses whatever method he can to save. Often through dreams and visions. In Iran for example, people speak of having Jesus physically turn up in their rooms. Apparently, this has happened to many. Our church has an Iranian population that has reported this. I have also read books that report the same. If the apostles fell short, God would make up the shortfall. God is both faithful, and just, not just to us, but to all. He will not leave people without a witness. This does not mean we should put our feet up, our neighbors need Christ. But it shows God is able.

Pommer · Jun 8, 2025

ozso said:
Since when is US law enforcement unarmed? I could see all the uproar making sense if up until now law enforcement only wore t-shirts and were only equipped with their bare hands. But that's never been the case in this universe. Is there a Mandela effect thing going on where people remember US law enforcement never being armed until now? Or a raid not consisting of multiple officers?

The LEOs are all geared up to take down “bad guys” whilst rousting food preparers.
How many AR-15s does it take to arrest a busboy?

honey badger · Jun 8, 2025

“Those who sanctify themselves and purify themselves, To go to the gardens After an idol in the midst, Eating swine’s flesh and the abomination and the mouse, Shall be consumed together,” says the LORD.

And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are,

loveofourlord · Jun 8, 2025

Pommer said:
But look how he was brought back…to face charges.
Not because the Courts had ordered that he be returned, no, the government “forgot” to charge him with [whatever things they’re going to try him for now]. They were going to due-process him into the middle of the century anyway, but “forgot”; that the courts had ordered him brought back was nothing more than serendipitous coincidence.

Cute.

yeah, wether he's guilty or not this taints the entire case.

Paidiske · Jun 8, 2025

Oh, don't apologise to me. I'm a migrant to Australia. And overall I think we've emerged from our messy beginnings to be a pretty good place to live.

Jerry N. · Jun 8, 2025

bèlla said:
Many groups work together for shared concerns but they’re not wholly united and moving as a unit permanently. And persecution isn’t a byproduct for trust and togetherness. If anything people will be more skeptical than not given the advances in our technology. I’m not welcoming anyone willy nilly just because they said they love Jesus.

There was a recent scandal involving a popular individual that went viral last month. Shannon Sharpe was accused of sexual assault by a woman he was seeing for three years. And when civil suit was revealed we discovered that she had been recording him the entire time without his knowledge.

If you believe we won’t be infiltrated and have similar people doing the same you’re naive. Every group the government has taken down usually occurs from within. And I fully expect we’ll have our share of wolves working for the other. While you reference persecution you forget this isn’t the eighties and it will look differently than expected.

We have drones flying in the air, robodogs and humanoid robots functioning as police as we speak, and a ball rolling around in China doing the same. We have cameras along our streets and listening devices too. You won’t be hard to find so you’d better make sure the people around you are trustworthy. That’s the reality of persecution in the modern age.

That‘s why you have to understand times and seasons and make preparations in advance. You’ll be hard pressed to get rid of anyone in that period because you’re afraid they’ll turn on you. So you get your house in order while it‘s calm and examine your connections and make adjustments where needed. Those are the ones you’ll rely on. And I’ve already done that.

I don’t talk about the end times; I live with it in mind and make preparations as I go. That’s a lesson I learned from a nursery rhyme that was validated during the pandemic. There were a lot of people who expected many things from the church and their fellow believers that were sorely disappointed. They never expected to be ignored or left behind. And if you read the room correctly you got the message. It’s easy to talk of brotherhood when times are good. But adversity is a truth serum.

If you can’t be there for one another during a crisis. Why would I expect you to do otherwise in something worse? It’s more than words just like the songwriter said. It’s the things you do that show you care.

~bella

One way to look at things is that there is a sorting of Christians and people in general. The divisions are becoming more and more obvious, as can be easily seen on this forum. We do often unite against a common threat and put aside differences when needed. However, we will always have “our share of wolves” working against us without our knowledge. Judas walked with Jesus, heard His words, and saw the miracles, but there is no indication that the other 11 suspected anything. I just think that minor doctrines will not be the dividing factor. Something deeper will hold believers together.

When it comes to depending on each other in the greatest need, we can only hope for the best. I’ve always had difficulty in determining who are actual friends. Christians have done me wrong many times, but so have non-Christians. There have also been times when I was in serious trouble, and strangers have come from seemingly nowhere and helped in ways I never would have expected. I give credit to both God and them. If you have a circle of friends you can count on when hard times come, praise God.

I used to think about prepping, but it never went very far, since I live on a farm nearly in the middle of nowhere. There is not much to prep and nowhere to go. When war in Ukraine broke out, we did stock up on food and items to trade. We live fairly close to Ukraine.

loveofourlord · Jun 8, 2025

ozso said:
Raids on business have always consisted of multiple armed officers, way before Trump. Even raids on small houses with one or two suspects have consisted of multiple armed officers, way before Trump. And a raid that's being obstructed by a mob certainly consists of multiple armed officers in riot gear equipped with riot equipment, way before Trump. The idea that there's something new about it is preposterous.

armed and dangerous convicts, not people working at a job. Stop gas lighting me.

Infirmus · Jun 8, 2025

Hail Mary,
Full of Grace,
The Lord is with thee.
Blessed art thou among women,
and blessed is the fruit
of thy womb, Jesus.
Holy Mary,
Mother of God,
pray for us sinners now,
and at the hour of our death.
Amen

Dave Darling · Jun 8, 2025

I have a website dedicated to Christ, www.heavenandfreedom.com I just checked my website stats, in the last few days it has gotten 1 hit from Israel! There has been a good 10 hits from Israel in the last few years since I launched my website! Also 1 hit in the last few days from the United Arab Emirates, this is probably Dubai! Also 1 hit in the last week from Egypt! Also 1 hit in the last week or so from Iran! Also about 500 hits from people using Apple iPhones, they may be people in 3rd world countries without a computer! HALLELUJAH!

Paidiske · Jun 8, 2025

RamiC said:
Is this because they don't play cricket?

The Americans? Do they not?

I have a hunch that there's a big difference between a place founded as, in effect, a religious sanctuary for the nonconforming, and one founded as a penal colony.

Strong in Him · Jun 8, 2025

Bob Crowley said:
An anti-Christ is implied,

To you, maybe.
But John has already used the term antichrist in his letter - and explained what one is. Why would he not say "antichrist" in Revelation if there is one?

Bob Crowley said:
There's no "Trinity" mentioned either

The word isn't used, but there is only one God. And the teaching that the Father, Jesus the Son and the Spirit are all divine, is there.

Bob Crowley said:
I also happen to believe he's around today.

Like John said, many don't believe that Jesus is the Christ - because they haven't been told, because they disagree or because they just don't care.
There are many who are anti, or against, Christ.

Bob Crowley said:
This is the first generation where a world wide government is possible, thanks to modern technology and weaponry that can land a missile through your laundry door guided by satellite, or maybe just a drone to save a lot of money.

What's that got to do with someone rejecting, or being against, Jesus?

And people have been playing "guess the antichrist" for as long as I can remember. When I first joined these forums, someone was adamant that it was Tony Blair and they got quite cross with me for suggesting that it wasn't and saying "wait and see". When nothing that this man had predicted about Blair came true he disappeared from the forums and took down his End Times website. Recently, Prince/King Charles and various American presidents have also been candidates.

loveofourlord · Jun 8, 2025

ozso said:
Since when is US law enforcement unarmed? I could see all the uproar making sense if up until now law enforcement only wore t-shirts and were only equipped with their bare hands. But that's never been the case in this universe. Is there a Mandela effect thing going on where people remember US law enforcement never being armed until now? Or a raid not consisting of multiple officers?

since when does it take a dozen officers to take a couple of ilegal imigrants? This is show of force, and terrorism plain and simple, it's to create fear, and people are having none of it, you might be happy with a police state and trump being a tyrant, others aren't, sad you are.

tturt · Jun 8, 2025

"Follow after charity, and desire spiritual gifts, but rather that ye may prophesy." ( I Cor 14:1)

Discernment and discerning of spirits are different.

Discerning of spirits is under the direction of the Holy Spirit. "4 Now there are diversities of gifts, but the same Spirit." (I Cor 12:4) " To another the working of miracles; to another prophecy; to another discerning of spirits; to another divers kinds of tongues; to another the interpretation of tongues:" v 10

Discerning of spirits -distinguishes the source - either evil or Godly spirits One example -. Even though Ananias took the money and "laid it at the apostles' feet." "But Peter said, Ananias, why hath Satan filled thine heart to lie to the Holy Ghost, and to keep back part of the price of the land?" (Acts 5:3) The same for his wife (v 9) Another example - a girl followed Paul "and cried out, saying, “These men are the servants of the Most High God, who proclaim to us the way of salvation. 18 And this she did for many days." Even though she spoke the truth, she had the spirit of divination and Paul cast it out. (Acts 16).

It's not the discerning of evil spirits only.

Then here's an example of the Godly - "And when James, Cephas, and John, who seemed to be pillars, perceived the grace that was given unto me, they gave to me and Barnabas the right hands of fellowship; that we should go unto the heathen, and they unto the circumcision." (Gal 2:9).

Kathleen30 · Jun 8, 2025

Valletta said:
I am unaware of kings and kingdoms being dethroned by the Jesuit order. Did anyone tell you the names of these kings and kingdoms and describe how this was done? As to the Bible, the process of the Catholic Church choosing the 73 books of the Bible spanned centuries. Lists became closer to the final 73 selected by the Catholic Church as time passed. Revelation was the last NT book chosen. Saint Athanasius is credited with the first New Testament Biblical canon list in 367 A.D. The list was approved by Pope Damasus, and formally approved of by Councils at Hippo and Carthage in the late 300s. Pope Innocent I wrote a letter to the Bishop of Toulouse in 405 A.D. containing the list. Finally, Catholics are extremely tolerant of other religions.

Valletta I’ve already given you two examples with the attempted assassinations of queen Elizabeth and King James. If you want more you only have to look at the many wars that took place in Europe with counter reformation. The sole purpose for the Jesuits originally coming into being was to undermine the reformation . They were originally classified as a military intelligentsia for the Roman Catholic Church.

Dave Darling · Jun 8, 2025

I have a website dedicated to Christ, www.heavenandfreedom.com . I just checked and my website has 14 hits from Sony Playstation gaming devices! I can't imagine who these people are and what their situation is, they may be people without a computer and their only internet access is through their Sony Playstation!

prodromos · Jun 8, 2025

FredVB said:
I know this verses already (of course). It just isn't saying what you said, which was definitely adding to it what is not in the Bible.

The Scriptures don't say that God created the skins, so the most straightforward understanding is that they were taken from animals. That entails a sacrifice.

Nithavela · Jun 8, 2025

Pommer said:
America has always an an underclass.
It’s downright egalitarian to shed our dependence on such people, but simply deporting them opens other cans-of-worms.

The underclass always gets kicked out of the workforce when they are no longer needed, without thanks or an improvement in status. Just like women after wars have to get back to the kitchen.

FaithT · Jun 8, 2025

River Jordan said:
Of course not. If they did, we would all know about it and the person/people who produced this proof would be among the most famous Christians in history.

Young earth creationism comes from one thing and one thing only, a specific interpretation of scripture. That's it.

It has zero basis in actual science.

Are you a YEC or OEC?

timothyu · Jun 8, 2025

JulieB67 said:
The problem with most is that they continually leave God 's will out of the equation in their lives, past and present. Of course in the flesh that's a constant battle but it's what we should always strive for.

Agreed

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