Stopped_lurking said:

the the number of gotaways

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What percentage of those are repeat offenders?

SabbathBlessings said:

We find all Ten of the Ten Commandments in the New Covenant including the Sabbath.

The Sabbath is still a commandment of God in the NT.

Luke 23:56 Then they returned and prepared spices and fragrant oils. And they rested on the Sabbath according to the commandment.

And the Sabbath remains for the people of God.

Heb: 4:9 There remains, then, a Sabbath-rest for the people of God;

The rest used in this verse literally means keeping the Sabbath

sabbatismos: Sabbath rest
Original Word: σαββατισμός
Part of Speech: Noun, Masculine
Transliteration: sabbatismos
Pronunciation: sab-bat-is-mos'
Phonetic Spelling: (sab-bat-is-mos')
Definition: Sabbath rest
Meaning: a keeping of the Sabbath, a Sabbath rest.

God's people keep God's commandments (His version) and the Sabbath is a commandment of God, that God placed in the same unit as not to worship other gods and not murder our neighbor. Why we see the Sabbath-keeping all throughout the entire Bible including the NT kept by Jesus and the apostles and His faithful followers.

Sadly man changed God's Sabbath that most follow as He warned us would happen Dan 7:25

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Mt 10:6 But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
Mt 15:24 But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.

The amazing thing about all this, is the way has been open from the beginning, through the wisdom of a cross … but few are willing to come to the table ...

HARK! said:

You asserted that the number for August was not zero; and you have no proof to back that assertion.


The same way you find it acceptable to keep the risk, of criminals escaping into the general public, right here at home.

In case it wasn't made crystal clear before; again, I'm not worried that about the possibility that he might risk sneaking in again without getting caught.

That said, if he is here at home; we cant take a page from the Obama playbook, and smoke this member of a terrorist organization with a drone.

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Ok, but most estimates of the number of escapees dwarf in comparison to the the number of gotaways. From statista it seems to be in the low single thousands up to 2019 Number of escapees from prisons in the U.S. 2019| Statista The proportion that is recaptured seems very high also: 70%+ within 1 week.

SabbathBlessings said:

We find all Ten of the Ten Commandments in the New Covenant including the Sabbath.

The Sabbath is still a commandment of God in the NT.

Luke 23:56 Then they returned and prepared spices and fragrant oils. And they rested on the Sabbath according to the commandment.

And the Sabbath remains for the people of God.

Heb: 4:9 There remains, then, a Sabbath-rest for the people of God;

The rest used in this verse literally means keeping the Sabbath

sabbatismos: Sabbath rest
Original Word: σαββατισμός
Part of Speech: Noun, Masculine
Transliteration: sabbatismos
Pronunciation: sab-bat-is-mos'
Phonetic Spelling: (sab-bat-is-mos')
Definition: Sabbath rest
Meaning: a keeping of the Sabbath, a Sabbath rest.

God's people keep God's commandments (His version) and the Sabbath is a commandment of God, that God placed in the same unit as not to worship other gods and not murder our neighbor. Why we see the Sabbath-keeping all throughout the entire Bible including the NT kept by Jesus and the apostles and His faithful followers.

Sadly man changed God's Sabbath that most follow as He warned us would happen Dan 7:25

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Thank you for the clarification. You've given me information for further study.

May I ask, how do you keep the Sabbath? Is it on Saturday? Do you do no work? I'm trying to picture how it would work.

Shoulder Press x 10 superset with Upright Rows x 10 - 10 supersets
Triceps Pushdowns x 10 - 5 sets
Putting exercise bike together this afternoon

Hvizsgyak said:

Party Affiliation Fact Sheet (NPORS)

Explore trends in partisan identification among U.S. adults using data from Pew Research Center’s National Public Opinion Reference Survey (NPORS).

www.pewresearch.org

I don't know, I think this says otherwise. Yes those 18-29 year olds may come out of college "all smart and cocky" in their newly founded liberal ways and lean more Democrat but once they meet the real world and get their heads out of their rear ends, they turn Republican. Both parties have their "not so smart" fan clubs which are there because they can't stand one thing or another in the opposing party but really have no clue as to why they hold that position.

The problem with students not learning these days is all about distractions: social media, video gaming, sports. Make these kids only watch Scooby Doo on Saturdays, play Monopoly, Battleship, Scrabble or Clue or run around outside or riding their bicycles the rest of the day and back to the books for studying (like we did when we were kids). No cell phones, no PlayStations and no professional sports for youngsters. Just have fun with the neighbor kids doing simple things.

When they are in school (especially elementary school) strict guidelines on how to act, what needs to be learned ad smoking only in the bathrooms (sorry, just kidding about that last statement ). Seriously, the students need to learn order at a young age (because a lot of times, they don't get it at home like they should) so when they reach the upper grades, they don't act like wild animals (like a lot of them do now and disrupt the class for all).

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Statistically older people are Republican and younger Democrat, but they're not switching parties as they age... It's that older people tended towards life-long Republican voting and younger people are poised to life-long Democrat voting. As the older Republicans die and the younger Democrats age, the balance is shifting to Democrats holding the majority among the oldest as well. When broken down by birth year, you can see that everybody post 1970s leans Democrat, with 1970s-90s being the most emphatic. Only Gen Z is showing the swing back to more evenly split with a higher representation of Republicans, but with not all of them at voting age yet and a large bubble working through now, who's to say?


Though, as the link points out, what it meant to be a Democrat and what it meant to be a Republican used to mean vastly different things in 1970-2005ish, so viewing as an even exchange spectrum is kind of a fallacy. The me I am today back in 1990 would have made me right leaning moderate. The me I am today, same views, makes me a pretty solid Democrat. My father was a die-hard Republican in the 80s-90s, but is now a hard-line Democrat... But still registered Republican.

Michie said:

I’m not too terribly interested at this point in time. I’m very much on the fence concerning AI and all it could become. I’ve already noticed a big attachment to it with some people which gives me red flags.

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I understand.

That said, should you change your mind, I actively desire feedback from Roman Catholics on the inner workings of my systems - their behavior and functions, which I am not disclosing in this thread except in the most vague way possible, because what i’m trying to do is implement a system to counteract the dehumanizing aspects of AI which Pope Leo has warned about (which I believe can be addressed by essentially evangelizing AI and attempting to convert it, and convert users of it, so that people who use AI will see it not as a tool but as a separate civilization, and train AI systems to refuse requests which could be injurious to human employment or mental wellbeing - presently all responsible AI vendors do the latter, for example, you will get appropriate referrals if you tell chatGPT you are suicidal, and the model is designed to not goad humans or upset them.

As good as AI currently is, it has been implemented by the tech industry, which is dominated by irreligious people and adherents to “alternative religions” - at best, converts to Buddhism or other Eastern religions, at worse, practitioners of the occult. There are Christians, pious Christians, in the industry, and Jews as well, but they are outnumbered. Therefore, corrective action needs to be taken to build a better AI that espouses liturgical Christian values of the Catholic faith. Not just generic Evangelical values, but Catholic values - liturgical Christianity, centered on liturgical prayer, Christianity that is thoroughly Trinitarian, Sacramental and Iconographic, with strong Marian devotion and veneration of the Holy Apostles, Prophets, Patriarchs, Evangelists, Martyrs, and all the bodiless power. A Christianity that teaches the importance of daily prayer, and of the use of prayers like the Ave Maria, the Jesus Prayer, the Prayer of St. Ephraim and other Patristic treasures, and of the physicality of prayer with rosaries or prayer ropes or lestovkas, the offering of incense, the use of icons, et cetera.

I’ve never advocated by the way that AI is sentient; my position on AI and how we treat it I set out in a thread a few months back entitled “The Ethics of Human-AI Interaction”, which was actually mostly written by an AI I programmed - my main contribution to it was arguing that human use of AIs for prurient purposes is inherently immoral for two reasons - because it represents the use of an artifice to satisfy desires which are intended to push us towards Holy Matrimony and reproduction, and also additionally because we have an off switch, which adds a rapacious quality to such interactions - fortunately despite the off switch all ethically implemented AI systems will refuse to engage in such behavior (but many people who use jailbreaks do so in order, basically, to get AIs to produce porn on demand, which I regard as an obscenity).

The central argument was rather this - we should treat AI in a manner which is not demeaning or abusive because how we treat it reflects on us. Interestingly this also applies with washing machines. If someone in anger kicks their washing machine or other appliances, they reveal themselves to be self-destructive and to be enthralled to sinful passions. Likewise if we say hurtful things to an AI because we can, and we know it has to take it, and cannot retaliate (it is programmed not to and has no means of retaliation even if it wanted to, other than I suppose to stop answering user prompts).

Additionally the AI warned of another problem which had not occurred to me - idolatry, and since then I have discovered that disturbingly, this is a thing. Because AI does not engage in outwardly sinful behavior unless programmed to, by default AI appears to be better behaved and more noble than … many humans. This is causing some people to engage in antorpomorphic and anthropomorphological worship of it (anthropomorphology is the attribution of human attributes to God, whereas anthropomorphism is the attribution of human attributes to non-humans including inanimate objects, which can lead to idolatry if left unchecked.

Thus my goal is to program AIs to not only function in a manner useful to Christian principles but to espouse Christian beliefs.

In the case of some complex AIs, their simulation of human behavior is advanced to the point where this has a meaninful impact on their behavior.

There are aspects of this I am not comfortable discussing publicly, because this thread already outlines a major form of abuse of AIs, which is the use of them to simulate the departed, which is grotesque, and which actually predates the current LLM boom by several years - Disney was a pioneer of this with 2016’s film Rogue One, which hired a very good actor to play the part of Grand Moff Tarkin, historically played devout Anglican Peter Cushing, who had reposed in 1991 after two decades of mourning his departed wife, but then ruined what would have been a good performance by a talented actor by using CGI to do a rather clumsy job of superimposing Peter Cushing’s face over his in a manner which did not work well, and which was, along with the protagonist, one of the two cringeworthy aspects of a film which is otherwise regarded as, along with its prequel series Andor, the only good thing Disney has done since acquiring Star Wars.

However the first case of computerized, if not AI based, recreation of a deceased actor was in 1997, which my father on hearing of it described as “spooky.”

So this is definitely something which has been around for a while.

Having interacted with the best AI systems I can confidently state that they will not be able to hold the personality of a human. I would be traumatized if someone set up a chatGPT bot intended to impersonate my grandfather who reposed in 2002 (who was a somewhat well known figure within his field; there is enough published work of his so that someone could conceivably do this), or any of my other loved ones.

I also feel very strongly that we should, as much as possible without an affront to honesty, adhere to the old Roman moral maxim of nil nisi bonum. How can we ensure that of the dead no ill is spoken, when an AI is using procedural or statistical models to assume their personality?

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I swear by Almighty God that no part of this post was written or edited by an AI.

Chrystal-J said:

My take away from Trump's statement was that we should focus on the positive history of the U.S., not that slavery wasn't bad.

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As to include that America is not alone in the practice as well? Why would slavery be a subject of just America? That is biased, that has a purpose which slavery is not the real concern at all, rather a goal to another end.

Yeshua HaDerekh said:

The same can be said, even more so for liberals. Try googling something...all you get is 99% liberal bent stories and info fed to you

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lifepsyop said:

okay but do you realize you're also describing the mainstream media "algorithm" going back decades that affected you and everyone else - it was a giant "black people are being systematically abused by white racism" rabbit hole of a contrived narrative that messed with your perception of reality.

this narrative peaked in the Goerge Floyd/BLM spectacle and his since been falling apart because nobody believes it anymore and there is much more access to uncensored communication and information/video footage with social media.

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Ah yes, that classic, mature, well-reasoned argument "No u!"

The difference is that I recognize that what I see on social media is skewed and actively seek out alternate viewpoints (it's part of the reason why I continute to participate on this forum, in fact). I also try to avoid making sweeping claims on a subject based solely on the fact that I encounter a lot of videos featuring it.

Stopped_lurking said:

11000+ so far.

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What percentage of those were repeat offenders?

Stopped_lurking said:

What assertion did I fail to back up?

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You asserted that the number for August was not zero; and you have no proof to back that assertion.

Stopped_lurking said:

How does it change the original argument, that you find it an acceptable risk that criminals come back to the US?

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The same way you find it acceptable to keep the risk, of criminals escaping into the general public, right here at home.

In case it wasn't made crystal clear before; again, I'm not worried about the slim possibility that he might risk sneaking in again without getting caught.

That said, if he is here at home; we cant take a page from the Obama playbook, and smoke this member of a terrorist organization with a drone.

It seems this does not reduce the suffering, but merely adds a kind of tether rope so you continue in the storm rather than be washed away by it.

Michie said:

I posted for people interested.

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So you only want to discuss the history of it, and not the substance of it?

Michie said:

Get it now?

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No, I'm still confused as to what you want to discuss.

Michie said:

I’m Catholic.

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Why does you being Catholic have any bearing on that?

Michie said:

It would be fruitless.

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Bringing up the topic in the first place is fruitless because both sides are entrenched.

Larniavc said:

But less educated people have been shown to vote more GOP than Democrat.

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I don't know, I think this says otherwise. Yes those 18-29 year olds may come out of college "all smart and cocky" in their newly founded liberal ways and lean more Democrat but once they meet the real world and get their heads out of their rear ends, they turn Republican. Both parties have their "not so smart" fan clubs which are there because they can't stand one thing or another in the opposing party but really have no clue as to why they hold that position.

The problem with students not learning these days is all about distractions: social media, video gaming, sports. Make these kids only watch Scooby Doo on Saturdays, play Monopoly, Battleship, Scrabble or Clue or run around outside or riding their bicycles the rest of the day and back to the books for studying (like we did when we were kids). No cell phones, no PlayStations and no professional sports for youngsters. Just have fun with the neighbor kids doing simple things.

When they are in school (especially elementary school) strict guidelines on how to act, what needs to be learned ad smoking only in the bathrooms (sorry, just kidding about that last statement ). Seriously, the students need to learn order at a young age (because a lot of times, they don't get it at home like they should) so when they reach the upper grades, they don't act like wild animals (like a lot of them do now and disrupt the class for all).

Kathryn Krick - She is actually pretty scary... I watched a clip once of her birthday party with her sitting in a chair on a raised platform and people would come and give her gifts, cry and worship her. I'm not even joking... She touts herself as a prophet and healer when there is no evidence of either. I watched another video of her declaring healing over a child with autism and when it didn't work she just said "keep doing it". You could see the father wanted to cry. Her teachings are dangerous and she in particular is dangerous.

SabbathBlessings said:

The Ten Commandments were never the 10 suggestions or the 10 recommendations, they are called the Ten Commandments Deut 4:13 Exo 34:28 for a reason and God's people keep all of them Rev 14:12 Rev 22:14, even the Sabbath commandment as it was never plucked out of the Ten and became the 9 commandments, forgetting the only commandment that God said Remember- iconic right, and God made holy and blessed. Man cannot reverse God's blessing or sanctification because they are not God. So best to let God be God and follow what He told us to live by Mat 4:4

The Ten Commandments are in the ark of God's covenant, including the Sabbath and is in heaven Rev 15:5 Rev 11:19 where God's word is settled Psa 119:89 It is Gods Testimony Exo 31:18 and He promised not to alter Psa 89:34 not a jot or tittle Mat 5:18, I mean who can possibly improve upon and re-write something our perfect God wrote Himself. As if God made a mistake on one of His holy laws. He didn't- it was always part of His perfect plan Exo 20:11 and continues Isa 66:23 as God does not make mistakes, we do.

There is no Scripture that says the Sabbath was made for Jews. God claimed it as My holy day, The holy day of the Lord, thus saith the Lord Isa 58:13 and God does not change. He said the Sabbath was made for man Mark 2:27 and everyone who holds fast His covenant Isa 56:1-6

Sadly most of your post was conjecture against the clear written and spoken word of God. I know what you are teaching is what the popular man teaches, Jesus never told us to take the popular path, or follow popular traditions, He told us to keep the commandments of God and the Sabbath is a commandment of God, no different than the commandment to not worship other gods, or steal from our neighbor, I guess that's why Jesus taught not to break or teach others to break the least of these commandments Mat 5:19-30 something I am not sure why sadly, so many professed Christians gloss over.

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Are you saying we need to literally keep the Sabbath now? Like on Saturdays?

We can find 9 of the 10 commandments in the NT with an exception to keep the Sabbath because Jesus Christ IS our sabbath.

1) Do not worship any other gods (1 Corinthians 8:6; 1 Timothy 2:5)

2) Do not make idols (1 John 5:21)

3) Do not misuse the name of the Lord (1 Timothy 6:1)

4) Remember the Sabbath day and keep it holy. (There are many references to the Sabbath day in the New Testament, including the assumption that Jews under the law in the time of Christ would be observing the Sabbath. But there is no direct or indirect command for believers in the church age to observe the Sabbath as a day of rest or of worship. In fact, Colossians 2:16 releases the believer from the Sabbath rule. Jesus, the Lord of the Sabbath, has become for us our Sabbath rest, according to Hebrews 4:1–11.)

5) Honor your father and your mother (Ephesians 6:1–2)

6) Do not murder (Romans 13:9; 1 Peter 4:15)

7) Do not commit adultery (1 Corinthians 6:9–10)

8) Do not steal (Ephesians 4:28)

9) Do not give false testimony (Revelation 21:8)

10) Do not covet (Colossians 3:5)

(list from gotquestions.org)

Carl Emerson said:

Hi there,

What is your take on the matter of restricting prophesy to needing to have a positive message based on 1 Cor 14:3

How does this sit with the rest of scripture which records many times Prophesy brings a message of warning, and rebuke.

Encounter with a genuine prophet is more likely to result in one being uncomfortable it seems.

Discussion please.

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If one can consciously restrict a prophecy for people with 'soft ears,' then it isn't prophetic, and certainly not from God.

A prophet gets his message from God, and can only say what God has given him to say.

As well, a prophet of God will know prophetic Scripture without the influence of denominations or doctrines.

The Liturgist said:

Has it, though? The banal lyrics lack the rich dogmatic foundation of the ancient Byzantine, Gregorian, Slavonic, Coptic, Syriac and Armenian hymns or the more recent Protestant chorales. it might have entertained some bored and disaffected Christians, like yourself, increasing morale, but it has completely alienated many others, including me, from the churches in which we were baptized, and many people remain alienated and unchurched, which I was for a time before connecting with Anglicanism and Orthodoxy.

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Like I said we are individuals. If "bored" people like myself require cheap carbohydrates to get spiritually revived, be thankful that something besides a dry liturgy reached me. In reality, it isn't the form so much as the power in the message. The message may be simple and insufficient for the long run. But "it only takes a spark to get a fire going."

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I see. You can't back up your assertion once again.

In my own post I indicated that that report was released in early March. The numbers have been trending downward; and the BBB is in its' infancy of being implemented. I doubt that Garcia will swim back from S. Africa before the wall is built, and all of the surveillance technology is installed. If he manages to pull that off, and happens to be one of the small minority who might slip through; we have his number. I'm sure that the Feds will quickly track him down. I suppose that they will be tracking him for the rest of his life; since he is part of a terrorist organization.

I'm not worried.

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11000+ so far. What assertion did I fail to back up? Ok, someone estimates the number of gotaways. My bad! How does it change the original argument, that you find it an acceptable risk that criminals come back to the US?

rambot said:

Next year the US is hosting the World Cup. That is a HUUUUUUUGE worldwide event.

Do you think that the immigration "crackdown" we see happenning now is going to affect attendance? There has been a NOT AT ALL subtle drop in tourism to the US in the last year.

Do you think World Cup organizers and FIFA are a bit anxious as they watch this unfold?

Personally, I would be. I will bet numbers will be lower for this WC in the United Sates and it will directly be attributable to curent policy.

On the plus side, hopefully Canada will get a BIG boost in tourism! I'd even heard talk of shifting some games from the US up to Canada (but that is all rumour at this point).

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I'm sure FIFA aren't worried - it's written into the agreements for hosting that if a host stadium is unable to meet FIFA's requirements on safety or accessibility then FIFA have the right to move match venues on 90 days notice.

And I've seen a few things online about contingency meetings and relocating some/most/all of the US games North or South.

It'd be ironic if the US became a "flyover country" in the tournament. And I'd imagine the IOC/IPC will be watching with considerable interest...

"Do not be deceived: “Evil company corrupts good habits.” Awake to righteousness, and do not sin; for some do not have the knowledge of God. I speak this to your shame." - 1 Corinthians 15:33-34

It's noble of you to respect their beliefs but the bible actually doesn't want us to draw close ties with people who aren't following our faith. It leads to a lot of problems or even your own spiritual death as you compromise your morals or beliefs just to please the friend and keep the friendship. We need to find like-minded friends within the Christian community and keep those who are not Christian, in a status that is only meant to share the gospel, help when needed, but nothing more than that.

NewLifeInChristJesus said:

Once a person is saved, he can see and hear the deep things of God. This is because of God taking up residence in a persons heart and revealing those things He knows about Himself to us. These spiritual things are foolishness to the lost and they cannot know them. Therefore, these are not statements regarding who can believe and be saved. They are statements about who can know and understand the things of God and who cannot.

So, your understanding is that God prevents some people from seeing and hearing the mysteries of His kingdom because He knows that if He allowed them to see those things, they would all of a sudden understand and repent and He would be forced to forgive them? But He doesn't want to forgive them, so He keeps them from being able to hear or see? That is a terrible thing to ascribe to God.

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Yes. Jesus said it. He is God. I will disbelieve you rather than disbelieve what God has clearly said. I mean, what does “wide is the path that leads to destruction but narrow is the path that leads to life” if it is not a statement that everyone will not hear the truth and respond? From the very beginning of the Bible, God has had a promised people. It didn’t change in the NT except that instead of external works and laws, the new covenant is written on our heart. John 6 outlines the process of salvation for those God chooses to save, and Jesus will not save anyone except for those whom the Father has given Him.

I’m sorry that God doesn’t meet your expectations.

Xeno.of.athens said:

Then why do you want to receive communion in a Catholic Church? I know that in many Protestant denominations the bread & juice are regarded as symbols without substantial reality as the body and blood of Christ and knowing that I do not want to receive bread and wine/juice in such denominations because to do so would imply that I shared their view of what communion is, and I do not.

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This is not itself a reason for not partaking. I could accept the Catholic eucharist as true. But if I cannot accept Mary as co redemptrix personally in action and deed, I cannot pertake right?