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RileyG · Jun 14, 2025

Hail Mary,
Full of Grace,
The Lord is with thee.
Blessed art thou among women,
and blessed is the fruit
of thy womb, Jesus.
Holy Mary,
Mother of God,
pray for us sinners now,
and at the hour of our death.
Amen

Tropical Wilds · Jun 14, 2025

Valletta said:
Apparently the shooter had "No kings" fliers.

Yes, because he knew people like you would latch on to that instead of the manifesto and hit list on other democrats, pro-choice advocates, clinics, and left leaning targets.

RileyG · Jun 14, 2025

Lord have mercy!

Chesterton · Jun 14, 2025

I counted over 25 posts in this thread which imply that the shooter was "far right". Could any of you help me out? Where did you get that this Tim Walz appointee who shot the only Democrat who voted against giving free health care to illegals is far right?

RileyG · Jun 14, 2025

Good afternoon all

RileyG · Jun 14, 2025

iluvatar5150 said:
Rep. Melissa Hortman, Sen. John Hoffman shot in 'targeted' shootings: Sources

Two Minnesota lawmakers and their spouses were shot by someone impersonating a police officer, sources confirmed to FOX 9.

Sen. John Hoffman and Rep. Melissa Hortman, as well as their spouses, were shot in the overnight shootings in Champlin and Brooklyn Park, sources told FOX 9's Karen Scullin.

Their conditions are not known as of this writing.

How very sad.

Canuckster · Jun 14, 2025

Landon Caeli said:
I knew it.

...But I wonder, was it because they were too far left, or not left enough? Or perhaps the wrong kind of left altogether.

Leftists are getting extremely desperate. Those illegals are a significant chunk of their voting base. Cutting off unlawful entitlements will cause them to self-deport en masse.

Tropical Wilds · Jun 14, 2025

Landon Caeli said:
Yeah, we should really be coming to a point of self-reflection as a country, on why so many bad apples are falling off the tree of the left. Now democrats assasinating other democrats for not being left enough? It's going too far.

This has to be the most whackers bonkers hot take of anything I’ve ever seen in my life.

GoldenBoy89 · Jun 14, 2025

Landon Caeli said:
I knew it.

...But I wonder, was it because they were too far left, or not left enough? Or perhaps the wrong kind of left altogether.

Landon Caeli said:
Why are there so many assasinations being done by democrats all of a sudden?

This is getting ridiculous! Will this problem become worse..?

...It's what we should all be wondering.

Landon Caeli said:
Yeah, we should really be coming to a point of self-reflection as a country, on why so many bad apples are falling off the tree of the left. Now democrats assasinating other democrats for not being left enough? It's going too far.

Please keep making my point for me with good examples. Thanks.

Tropical Wilds · Jun 14, 2025

Donald Trump gets shot at: “he didn’t do anything, just because people don’t like what he has to say doesn’t give them an excuse to shoot at him. This is outrageous, disgraceful, and shocking.”

Two democrats get assassinated: “Meh. Maybe they shouldn’t have disagreed with the Trump administration.”

Correct answer: “like them or don’t like them, assassinating or attempting to assassinate elected officials is not just an attack on them, but an attack on democracy. This is a tragic day I hoped would never come and people from both sides of the aisle should condemn extremists assassinating their political opposition.”

Ignatius the Kiwi · Jun 14, 2025

KevinT said:
The reason that the founding fathers Incorporated, a separation of state versus religion is because of history. They did not want to have a repeat of the situation that existed in the past. Look back in history and see what happens when the state picks a particular religion that all must agree with.

KT

Would the founding Fathers have defended the existence of Satanism?

Ignatius the Kiwi · Jun 14, 2025

Hentenza said:
How would you outlaw satanism?

How would you get this accomplished or how would it be implemented? The latter is easy enough so long as the will exists. But we aren't talking about how the thing would be accomplished but if it should. Do you believe in protecting Satanism to exist?

The Liturgist · Jun 14, 2025

Stephen3141 said:
Response to an AI comment on “to the least of these…”.

On Matthew 25.40 … words elicited from an AI tool.

I have a number of questions that have followed threads dealing with the topic of AI, and what an AI is, and what Jesus was referring to when he spoke the words “the least of these” (in this verse).

1 Many who read this passage, take the verse completely out of context. That is, they do not scope it within a conversation that Jesus was having with disciples, and presumably, within disciples who come from a Jewish background. (Modern Americans (often) seem to be blind to the scoping of Jesus’ teaching.) And as modern Americans (often) write comments about this verse that are blind to the linguistic scope conventions, then AI tools will pick up this (often) linguistically blind type of comment, and perpetuate it.

2 “These” seems to refer to the children present, and “people” like them. There is no reason to think that “these” extends to any object that any later reader of this conversation would wish to extend it to. You must resolve intelligently, what “the other” means”. I don’t think that you have begun to do this. (You may also want to resolve what you think YOUR identity is, also.)

3 “The image of God” was conceived of quite differently by ancient Jews, than by modern Americans. What this phrase means, needs to be resolved (in the context of the conversation), before leaping forward to assume that it is what modern Americans impute it to mean.

4 I would hardly call software as something that falls within the Jewish literary use of “creation”. Why do you place it there?

5 I’m not sure what the topic of idolatry has to do with this verse. Idolatry is an independent subject. You may as well inject how humans have “dominated” car tires. Could you make some connection, between what you think is “dominated”, and this passage?
————— —————

As I have mentioned in the past, the software algorithms in (many of) these AI tools does not seem to understand the nature of human language (such as the medium of how Jesus taught). Although these algorithms may be able to throw together common themes that Americans may use frequently in their communication, I do not see any connection between HOW these themes are viewed, or OUGHT TO BE VIEWED, by CHRISTIANS who are reading this site and discussing Christian views of ethics.

None of that has any relevance to the issues of this thread, because we are not discussing the capabilities of the systems (regarding some of which, you are correct, but regarding others, particularly the more advanced hybrid AIs, you are misinformed, applying criticisms that were relevant to LLM models five years ago, but which are not relevant to the more advanced systems of the present, which are capable of, in some cases, emulating human cognition in non-trivial ways, for example, through the simulation of human working memory and emotional states), but rather the ethics concerning the proper use thereof.

Canuckster · Jun 14, 2025

MN State Senator John Hoffman and wife out of surgery Login to view embedded media

Landon Caeli · Jun 14, 2025

GoldenBoy89 said:
Sad situation. Even more depressing what some of the replies to this thread reveal about where we are as a country.

Yeah, we should really be coming to a point of self-reflection as a country, on why so many bad apples are falling off the tree of the left. Now democrats assasinating other democrats for not being left enough? It's going too far.

Hentenza · Jun 14, 2025

BCP1928 said:
In other words, you can't answer the question.

My post that you replied to was only about Mexico so why would I include other countries? Maybe you can clarify your post?

DaisyDay · Jun 14, 2025

There's no actual civil unrest, but there might be soon.

https://thehill.com/homenews/5348979-missouri-mike-kehoe-national-guard-state-of-emergency-protests/

Missouri Executive Order 25-25 declares a State of Emergency and allows the Adjutant General to order service members to aid state officials.

The order comes after the Missouri State Highway Patrol, Missouri National Guard and Missouri Department of Public Safety established a Unified Command to monitor situations across the state and prepare local law enforcement.

Additionally, the order also declares that the Adjutant General may employ necessary equipment to support authorities and provide assistance.

While nationwide protests continue to flare up in response to the Trump administration’s immigration policies, Kehoe said his order is purely precautionary.

RileyG · Jun 14, 2025

ArmyMatt said:
when it comes to what?

Doctrine? For example?

CoreyD · Jun 14, 2025

ozso said:
Most likely wicked spirits are only going to deceive.

Thanks.
They seem to enjoy doing more than that.

Matthew 4:24

And his fame went throughout all Syria: and they brought unto him all sick people that were taken with divers diseases and torments, and those which were possessed with devils, and those which were lunatick, and those that had the palsy; and he healed them.

Matthew 8:16 . . .they brought unto him many that were possessed with devils: and he cast out the spirits with his word. . .
Matthew 8:30-32

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They enjoy making people miserable, and uncomfortable, and using friends and family, to stumble someone, is not something they shun.
Mark 8:32, 33

32 And he said this z plainly. And Peter took him aside and began to rebuke him. 33 But turning and seeing his disciples, he rebuked Peter and said, a“ Get behind me, Satan! For you b are not setting your mind on the things of God, but on the things of man.”

Anything that Satan and the demons knows can be a challenge to someone, they would use it, wouldn't they?
You don't think they would look for more advanced ways to carry on their sadistic pleasures?

Landon Caeli · Jun 14, 2025

Why are there so many assasinations being done by democrats all of a sudden?

This is getting ridiculous! Will this problem become worse..?

...It's what we should all be wondering.

wing2000 · Jun 14, 2025

Hans Blaster said:
It is "No Kings". The whole point is that it is a protest of Trump acting like a king. Other than the apparent threat to those events by the timing of this assassination, it is not the topic of this thread.

....and "No Kings" was planned months ago.

com7fy8 · Jun 14, 2025

Yes, Jesus himself is "the truth" (in John 14:6).

But what does this mean?

I suppose part of this is that Jesus is "truth reality" . . . of how God is and how to be in genuine love. All that is true of how Jesus is is true of how God is.

And, by the way, I understand that part of why Jesus came here was to show us not only "who" Jesus is, but how God is. The truth about Jesus is not only if we put the label of "God" on Him, then; but we need Jesus so we can know ***how*** God is and therefore how real love is . . . in character, not only in explanation and beliefs.

Truth can be facts and explanations. But truth also can mean the actual reality that you are taking about. For example, we can say a lot of things about elephants, but some people might think you are talking about a walrus! But if we handle or at least observe an elephant, the elephant itself is the truth of what we are talking about.

And, like this . . . the Holy Spirit demonstrates what He is talking about. The Holy Spirit shares with us things of God, even making us humble like Jesus so we can know in actual experience how Jesus is and therefore how to be humble.

Ones of us know that God's word says, "be clothed with humility" (in 1 Peter 5:5). But the truth of this is how the Holy Spirit in us does this with us.

wing2000 · Jun 14, 2025

Always in His Presence said:
Obviously you follow and thereby support the far right more than. Most Republicans

Why the reactive sarcasm?
As you well know, JosephZ is not a supporter of the "far right".

An apology is due.

rambot · Jun 14, 2025

com7fy8 said:
When I was being told that Donald said there had been fraud . . . I was in question about the source. And then a certain woman on TV guaranteed she was a connected and expert prosecutor who guaranteed she had court-admissible statements so she would prove fraud plus *indict* people for it. And then she got proven false, and her case was rejected by federal judges. But her TV host did not make an obvious effort make sure we knew this . . . by the way . . . it seemed to me.

So, that did not help credibility.

And I thought of a couple items. Donald had four years in office to make sure elections were secure.

Donald's administration appointed *some* number of those federal judges who threw his case out. Plus, he himself chose his vice president who as a born-again Christian knew he could not go along with the thing.

Now I see at least one similarity > Joe had four years, also, to make sure the elections would be secure. And yet, ones are claiming that Joe's people are the ones who have been cheated!

Understand the problem being discussed in this particular thread could NOT have been controlled by anyone as the company itself made fraudulent statements that would not have been proved without micromanaging.

ozso said:
It'll interesting to see the My Pillow Guy version of this.

Why do you think there will be a My Pillow Guy version?
That guy was a 100% failure in court. Thus far, this one challenging, is 100%.

DaveM · Jun 14, 2025

JesusFollowerForever said:
This proves that God keeps His promises and sees the Abrahamic covenant as still active

if it is still active what do you say to the scripture that says

Hebrews 8:13

In speaking of a new covenant, he makes the first one obsolete. And what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away.

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