ThatRobGuy said:

The answer I would've picked isn't on the list.


That being:

It's a "race to see who can do it first" because it conveys a certain level institutional power combined with technological and intellectual supremacy that lets others know who they shouldn't be messing with, and who's "strong suggestions" they should take seriously, as well as inspiring some national confidence by way of "we can set an ambitious goal, and we can achieve it".

John F Kennedy wasn't a dummy when he put a lot of focus on making sure we didn't let the Soviets beat us in that iteration of the "Space Race". While there was very little in terms of "practical" reasons why we needed to do that, showcasing capabilities and resolve does have some "value added" in extraneous realms.

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Here is the reason I posted the survey. If we had better relations with many world leaders including China and Russia we would have a better chance of getting back to the moon and eventually heading to Mars if we worked together. I'm afraid the US will make this a race again, place a teepee on the moon with an American flag, declare victory over China and call it a day on space commercialization. Just like we did with Russia back in the 1970s. Russia continued their space exploration (Venus, Mars and more) and possibly the same will happen with China. We'll get to the moon first and that will be it and China will continue to build on their commercialization of space.

We don't seem to have the will to follow through commercializing space.

Oompa Loompa said:

Nope. Never read the book, but I know about it.

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It’s really good. So is 1984.

FaithT said:

That’s ok. And your post means a lot to me.

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I’ve seen some of the Catholic trolls here too and just sometimes want to scream, “you’re so full of…..baloney”.

Oompa Loompa said:

Because according to the court of public opinion, everyone who ever visited the island,

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Trump denies visiting the island, so if these people on "his side" are truthful, it would be another case of Trump lying. If Trump wasn't lying, then the people on "his side" are lying.

RileyG said:

Ok. I just agree with the statement PERSONALLY that some religions are superior to others BUT everyone has the right to practice what religion they want or none at all.

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Not necessarily. If someone worships Moloch, they will not have the right to practice their religion by sacrificing infants on a burning altar.

Michie said:

Sen. Ted Cruz, R-Texas, ripped his colleague Sen. Tim Kaine, D-Va., on Wednesday for describing the idea that human rights come from God and not the government as "very, very troubling."

"I have to say, it is stunning to me that the principle that God has given us natural rights is now deemed by Democrats some radical and dangerous notion," Cruz said during a nominations hearing of the U.S. Senate Foreign Relations Committee.

Kaine, who unsuccessfully ran as former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton's vice presidential candidate in 2016, had earlier described himself as "a devout person" before likening the concept of God-given rights to the Iranian regime.

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Ted Cruz torches Tim Kaine for describing God-given rights as 'very, very troubling'

Sen Ted Cruz, R-Texas, ripped his colleague Sen Tim Kaine, D-Va , on Wednesday for describing the idea that rights come from God and not the government as very, very troubling

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I would agree with Sen. Kaine.

So there's three taps... hot, cold, and spirit? Or can one be immersed in the spirit and follow the will of God rather than man, without getting wet.

Michie said:

Actually…I didn’t. But I was going through my own issues at the time. My true impression was that you were too gullible concerning the the worst possible scenario concerning g the Faith. Add to that we have our regular anti-Catholic trolls pretending to ask sincere questions…. I guess I was just tired. As a convert, it takes a lot of guts to cross the Tiber. I was an ex-Protestant that was more than on the defensive. I truly apologize for giving you such a horrible impression. It’s really hard at times to let go and let God. But I do find you a truly valuable member of OVOB if that makes any difference.

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That’s ok. And your post means a lot to me.

Tropical Wilds said:

It is. Rights are granted to all in the US regardless of religion, so one religion telling another religion it’s wrong doesn’t matter in the context of the rights bestowed upon us.

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Do you believe in inalienable human rights? If so, where do they come from?

RileyG said:

Perhaps he never read the book?

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Nope. Never read the book, but I know about it.

RileyG said:

Wow. Oh wow. Oh wow.

I’m….speechless.

Um….

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I don’t think anything he does can surprise me these days.

rambot said:

You got a source for that cause that doesn't seem correct.

Cause it doesnt make sense to me if they continue to confess their sins if their sins were already forgiven.

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I actually am not sure. They’re Calvinist in nature which teaches predestination and preservation of the saints.

I’m not Presbyterian/Reformed/Calvinist so I cannot teach it.

FireDragon76 said:

It's not just crisis, it's apostasy.

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That's exactly what is happening.

This goes so far beyond political disagreement anymore. It's so much more than left vs right, democrat vs republican.

-CryptoLutheran

essentialsaltes said:

President Donald Trump has sent a campaign fundraising email with the subject line "I want to try and get to Heaven".

The email framed his political survival and legal battles as evidence of divine purpose and asked supporters to contribute $15 during a "24-HOUR TRUMP FUNDRAISING BLITZ."

No, no. That can't possibly be true! <checks email>

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Certainly the solicitation quickly segues into safer Trump-y ground rather than a direct appeal to buy his way past the pearly gates.

That’s why I’ve launched a 24 HOUR TRUMP FUNDRAISING BLITZ, and I’m asking everyone to chip in $15 to make it one for the record books!

So if you’re with me all the way to the end, join with MILLIONS of your fellow PATRIOTS by chipping in $15 to keep the wins rolling in!

STAND WITH TRUMP

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Wow. Oh wow. Oh wow.

I’m….speechless.

Um….

BCP1928 said:

No, for Evangelicals it's a memorial, a re-enactment if you like, not a Sacrament.

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I think some prefer the term Ordinance over Sacrament if memory serves.

ozso said:

They'll say that's about the first time you ask for forgiveness.

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Which, again, demonstrates clear biblical illiteracy. And I'd offer the exact same passage.

"If we say we are without sin"

ἐὰν εἴπωμεν ὅτι ἁμαρτίαν οὐκ

-CryptoLutheran

Tropical Wilds said:

It was in mine, but I read it before and after high school. It’s a classic.

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Yes. One of my favorites.

Tropical Wilds said:

Super.

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Cool

Always in His Presence said:

It’s not talking about water baptism

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Of course it is. Baptism, by definition, involves water.

The only time it doesn't it is used analogically, that is why the phrase "baptism with the Holy Spirit" is provocative.
If I say I'm going to take a bath, water is always implied. I would have to specifically provide additional context to show I am speaking of "bath" in some other way.

Baptism is a washing. People wash with water. It requires specific additional context to show baptism being used in some other way, that is why when "baptism with the Holy Spirit" is mentined, it's specifically mentioned. Nobody has to say "water baptism" because that's redundant. When the eunuch saw water he said, "Look, water, what prevents me from being baptized?" He didn't say "what prevents me from being water baptized?" That'd be silly.

Don't force your doctrines onto the text. Approach the text with honesty and objectivity--how would a first century audience hear and read these words?

-CryptoLutheran

RileyG said:

I think it’s required in most high schools, but not all? Sorry to go off topic.

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It was in mine, but I read it before and after high school. It’s a classic.

RileyG said:

Ok. I just agree with the statement PERSONALLY that some religions are superior to others BUT everyone has the right to practice what religion they want or none at all.

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Super.

Tropical Wilds said:

Again, yikes.

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I think it’s required in most high schools, but not all? Sorry to go off topic.

Oompa Loompa said:

No, prayer and fasting will be fine. I assume you are joking considering you are in the "Christian only" section on the forums.

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I don’t fast and I have no reason to not post there when I choose to do so.