I read your post and while you clearly hold strong feelings about your beliefs, much of what you said has no basis in scripture whatsoever. You are right about one thing, though, "the trumpet is key to understanding the timing" of the rapture. The reason why this is, is because
1 Corinthians 15:51–52 tells us that:
I am correct on every point, you are merely deflecting my friend. This is what people who can't rebut do.
As shown in my pervious post (#32), this passage corresponds to
1 Thessalonians 4:14-17, where we get the term "rapture" from. I bring up this point because it corresponds to the next fact.
Now, as I'm sure you're aware, the 7th bowl marks the end of the tribulation and the return of The Lord. The reason why we know this is true is because of the phrase "flashes of lightning, rumblings, and peals of thunder," which is found in
Revelation 16:17-18. That passage tells us:
We know what Rapture means, it came from the Latin word Raptura and means Seizing, or snatching or carrying away. Jesus snatches us away. Harpazo means the same thing in Greek, so Paul wrote it in Koine Greek, and the translation in Latin means the exact same thing.
It's this same terminology that is used to describe Jesus on a throne in Heaven, as written in Revelation 4 which reads:
Which means nothing, we all know Jesus is sitting at the right hand of God in Heaven, he only comes to earth at the 7th Vial to rule for his 1000 year Kingdom Age. He however harvests the earth 7 years earlier, read Rev. 14:14 Jesus himself from ON A CLOUD sticks in the sickle to harvest the earth. Israel are not part of the bride of Christ, Rev. 14 tells us they have the Fathers name on their foreheads. There were two brides. Jacob had Leah and Rachel, a preferred bride and a forced bride.
You seem to think this is a great point, but it is a very bad point. We say and know Jesus comes fir his bride, us the church, then returns to the Fathers House (Heaven) for 7 years in the marriage chambers. So, we understand we the bride Marry the Lamb(see Rev. 19) then return with Jesus in WHITE LINEN and are a part of his Army. So, of course Jesus is in heaven when the 7th Via is poured out, the 7th Vial comes from the 7th Trump, so there are only 7 Judgments, not 21 nor 14 because the Seals are not even Judgments, they are merely prophesying about the soon to come 7 Trumpet Judgments. The 7 Vials are the 3rd Woe.
Being that this same terminology which is used to describe Jesus' physical appearance is found in the 7th trumpet (i.e., the last trumpet in the series mentioned in Revelation), it's a clue that not only the 7th bowl and 7th trumpet are happening concurrently, but it's further proof that the rapture takes place after the tribulation and at the return of The Lord! For context, here's that very verse:
As I stated above, the 7 Vials are the 3rd Woe and emit from the 7th Trump.
You liken the feast of trumpets to correspond to the trumpet mentioned in
1 Thessalonians 4:16-17,
1 Corinthians 15:52, and
Matthew 24:31. While this is a interesting and understandable correlation, there is no basis for this in scripture, unlike the conclusion and reasoning I've shown above. Your idea that the rapture will happen on the Feast of Trumpets (i.e., the 1st of Tishrei or September 23rd of any given year) is based on superficial reasoning that Jesus has to fulfill the 7 Jewish feasts himself, with the Feast of Atonement corresponding to the last 7 years before Jesus returns.
I do not pick out days nor years, just saying that Jesus will return soon on a Feast of Trumps, that is evident via all the facts. Of course Jesus has to fulfill all 7, like he fulfilled the three spring feasts. No, the Feast of Atonement corresponds with the final 1335 days of the 70th week, that is when the Two-witnesses show up. Read Malachi 4:5-6 Elijah will be sent back BEFORE the Day of the Lord (1260 middle of the week event) to turn Israel back unto God. But that happens almost in the middle of the 70th week, just before the 1290 AoD which is not the Anti-Christ, its the False Prophet, a Jewish High Priest in league from afar with the Anti-Christ who will be the European Union President which means the 7 year agreement is really just Israel joining the E.U. Only when Jesus returns at the 7th Vial will Babylon (Satan's Dark Kingdom of Deceiving Mankind on this earth) Fall and Jesus will then reign for 1000 years (fulfilling the Feast of Tabernacles).
It is because you believe that rapture corresponds to the Feast of Trumpets, it must therefore be pre-tribulational because you also equate the Feast of Atonement to correspond to the 70th week. This would make for a fun Bible study, but just as I pointed out in my previous post (#32) and earlier in this one, scripture and Jesus himself teach us this isn't true!
Its because I understand the bible and you have not quite grasped it yet on these things, and that is why I can see what you cant see. But that is OK, that is why we have to put in the grunt work and that is what I have done for 40 years I do not just guess brother.
Lastly, I noticed that you also equated Jesus' words in
Matthew 24:29 with the 4th trumpet mentioned in
Revelation 8:12. While on the surface these passages seem to correspond to each other, another look at scripture reveals that Jesus' words in
Matthew 24:29-30 actually correspond better to the 6th seal mentioned in
Revelation 6:12-17, as shown below:
The 6th Seal IS THE FOURTH TRUMP come to pass. The Seals are only Prophetic Lingo !! Jesus FORETELLS two things, the Anti-Christ/Beast/Little Horns life actions in the first 5 seals, he then foretells God' Full Wrath in the 6th Seal, and the 7th Seal opens the Scroll of Wrath, thus Rev. 7 is the 1/3 or 5 million Jews being Sealed or SAVED by God then Protected by God BEFORE His Wrath falls in Rev. 8. (Asteroid Impact) Trumps 1-4 are FOUR PHASES to one asteroid impact. Look it up, google what happens when a large asteroid makes impact. You will be told as it is incoming it will be on fire (no kidding, like a Mountain) and these sulfur balls that destroyed Sodom will fall and burn 1/3 of the Trees (not really 1/3 that is a DESTINATION POINT, the New World is that 1/3). Then in Trump #2 we get the IMPACT the Earth quakes as John describes it etc. Then in Trump #3 we get a poisonous FALL OUT....Of course we would.....that poisons the Fresh Waters in the New World where it hits. Trump #4 is the Smoke getting up into the Jet Steam and botting the Sun & Moon's light out by a 1/3 AND of course the moon will appear to be Blood Red because of all the fires burning on earth, it will have a Red Hue to it.
So, Trump #4 is Seal #6 coming to pass. Seals on a letter for the King SEALED UP THE MESAGE, why dies no one get this metaphor? God has SEALED UP THE Trumpet Judgments, only after all 7 Seals are off can the Judgments even start. If you had 7 Locks on a door, and all manner of gifts in the closet, no matter how many times you explained these gifts to your guests, after 6 locks have been taken off, the door is STILL LOCKED right? Only as you take the 7th lock off will the door be opened. Likewise, this is why the 7th Seal is over in Rev. 8 it brings Gods JUDGMENTS but only AFTER the 144,000 (code for 5 million Jews) are saved and protected.
If we were to try to correlate the 4th trumpet with these passages, it would mean that the 4th trumpet is taking place at the return of Jesus as seen in the 6th seal. This wouldn't make sense because that leaves no room left for the 5th and 6th trumpet to occur during the 70th week.
Jesus returns at the 7th Vial brother.