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ICE Launches Operation Midway Blitz in Honor of Katie Abraham to Target Criminal Illegal Aliens Terrorizing Americans in Sanctuary Illinois

Wrong! They get picked up because a cop sees probable cause to investigate.
The "probable cause" is being Spanish at a bus stop and speaking with an accent.

My argument is that the Supreme court has an absurd definition of "probable cause".

Also, it's not a "cop", it's ICE

Then when nobody can provide any documentation, or proof of identity, THEN they are picked up. And this nonsense about getting "picked up" by looking Spanish at a buss stop? Please spare they hyperbole.
  • The U.S. Supreme Court on Monday ruled 6-3 to stay a temporary restraining order that had prohibited federal agents from stopping people in Los Angeles County based on their apparent race or ethnicity, their speaking Spanish or accented English, their occupation or their presence in a particular location such as a car wash, bus stop or day laborer pickup site
Supreme Court clears path for ICE to resume stops in LA

It's facinating how often you claim folks are speaking in hyperbole and we are able to prove our point. Makes a person wonder how informed you ARE in terms of what is happenning to brown skinned spanish heritage folks; or if your incredulity would lead to changing your mind.....
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Here’s the No. 1 fallacy on eternal security

So until man is without sin, he does not love. . .
He'd be without sin if he was "perfected in love", doubtfully fully possible until the next life.
I'm thinkin' there are a lot of mothers that would disagree with you.
Sure...people often tend to think they're already sanctified.
Actually, acting with genuine selfless love will necessarily fulfill the law because it abstains from self.
But it does not mean the practitioner is totally without sin.
Only Jesus was ever without sin.
People in heaven will be without sin. Agape and sin are mutually exclusive so, to the extent that we love, with the divine gift of that virtue, the less we will sin. If Adam had loved God in Eden, he never would've disobeyed, in fact. That love must be cultivated in us, and it's a patient work of God's.

This idea that mothers (even if their love may be the closest example we have to that of God's, while still infintely far beneath it), or the regenerate, or "true believers", or those with "saving faith" just sort of automatically love God with their whole heart, soul, mind, and strength and their neighbor as themselves, is naive at best and reveals a lack of understanding...of agape, and of the gospel as a result.
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The Criminal Records of the illegal immigrants arrested in LA

It's not moving goal posts to suggest you compare apples and apples.



I was only pointing that, this is ANOTHER difference in how these two groups operate and why a comparison between the two isn't necessarily apt.
But they do have permission to stop people on the street and throw them in a van.
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Why Every Christian Should Have a Prayer Rule - Fr. Josiah Trenham

I just crack up at his weird accent. He’s from southern California like me, but his accent sounds like he’s from Europe ^_^ :sorry:
I was listening to one of his videos on YOutube that popped up in my suggestions regarding the sanctity of marriage. Very good! But also, I, too, was wondering about his accent being that he says he is a fourth generation Californian! I lived in Calif for more than 20 years and I can detect a So Cal accent, just like I can detect a Midwestern one, a Utah one, etc, lol! He sounds like he is Eastern European!
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The Criminal Records of the illegal immigrants arrested in LA

Nope but you just moved the goal posts.
It's not moving goal posts to suggest you compare apples and apples.


We were talking about wearing masks and not having their badges showing. As far as grabbing people off the streets the Supreme Court validated ICE permission to do so which I am not in full agreement with.
I was only pointing that, this is ANOTHER difference in how these two groups operate and why a comparison between the two isn't necessarily apt.
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What is your theory, belief around Foreknowledge?

It happened as a result of Adam’s sin, when they were kicked out of the Garden of Eden. We are born into a fallen world. When Adam sinned, not just mankind, but everything in the world fell. Nature, the animals, everything fell. In Psalms, David stated it like this.

Psalm 51:5 (NASB95) Behold, I was brought forth in iniquity, And in sin my mother conceived me.

Many people see the flood as a baptism of the earth, and the confirmation by fire in the great tribulation will make the earth new again. I am not sure if I necessarily agree with that interpretation, but it shows how the earth needs to be cleansed also.
I have taken a lot of my research on this subject from Jewish Scholars (Some being Messianic Scholars) and especially some individuals I corresponded with in Jerusalem who had access to untranslated Hebrew writings.

The Jews are mostly wanting to understand why Jesse and David’s brothers treated him so poorly.

Psalms 51:5 is a problem translation for Jews and Christians, so this one verse takes a lot of explaining, but it also has to be consistent with all these verse in Psalms at least.

It has been decades since I did my study and I have many pages of notes.

This could all be a very poetic hyperbole David is using and he should be allowed some poetic license.

We have similar verses:

Psalms 58:3 The wicked are estranged from the womb: they go astray as soon as they be born, speaking lies.

Ps 22 Yet you are he who took me from the womb; you made me trust you at my mother's breasts.

On you was I cast from my birth, and from my mother's womb you have been my God.

Ps. 139: 13 For you created my inmost being; you knit me together in my mother’s womb. 14

I praise you because I am fearfully and wonderfully made; your works are wonderful, I know that full well.



I argue that a child is Innocent:

Spiritual consequences of sin cannot be transmitted from father to son but only falls on the one who committed the act: Ezek 18:1-4; 18-20; Jer 32:29-30

Sin is committed by individually breaking God's law: 1 Jn 3:4

The spoken and written gospel message is God's power for salvation: Rom 1:16; 1 Cor. 1:18

God said that the king of Tyrus was "blameless in your ways from the day you were created, until unrighteousness was found in you." Ezek 28:15

"God made men upright but they sought devices" Eccl 7:29 (plural can't refer only to Adam)

Jer 19:2-6 human sacrifices of children to Baal is called the "blood of the innocent"

Jesus teaches us that we must become as little children to enter the kingdom of God (Matt. 18:3- 4; Lk. 18:16-17)

Apostle Paul: Rom 7:9-11 "Once alive" "sin killed me"

Psalms 58:3 The wicked are estranged from the womb: they go astray as soon as they be born, speaking lies.

Ps 22 Yet you are he who took me from the womb; you made me trust you at my mother's breasts.

On you was I cast from my birth, and from my mother's womb you have been my God.

Ps. 139: 13 For you created my inmost being; you knit me together in my mother’s womb. 14

I praise you because I am fearfully and wonderfully made; your works are wonderful, I know that full well.



Looking Deeper into Psalms 51:5

This is a Hebrew poetic parallelism, with the second line of the verse saying the same thing as the first line in a slightly different way. The first verb, of which David is the subject, is in the Pulal tense (as is "made" in # Job 15:7 ), which is an idiom used to refer to creation or origins, and is the 'passive' form of Polel ("formed": # Ps 90:2 Pro 26:10 ). TWOT, #623, 1:270.

The subject is, as the verse clearly states, the 'circumstances' of his conception- the sexual union which produced him was an act of sin, and addresses the unrighteousness of his mother's act.

Read some of the English translation Psalms 51:5

KJV Behold, I was shapen in iniquity; and in sin did my mother conceive me.

YLT Lo, in iniquity I have been brought forth, And in sin doth my mother conceive me.

WEB Behold, I was born in iniquity. My mother conceived me in sin

RSV Behold, I was brought forth in iniquity, and in sin did my mother conceive me.

KJV Behold, I was brought forth in iniquity, And in sin my mother conceived me.

Granted some translators have a problem with the sin being David’s mother’s problem and will point to verses like these:

In PS 116:16, David refers to himself as "the son of thy handmaid", which would seem to testify to his mother's positive relationship with the Lord.

Psalm 86:16 Turn to me and have mercy on me; show your strength in behalf of your servant; save me, because I serve you just as my mother did. She sounds righteous to me.

Thus, they majorly change the translation to be David’s sin, But are these translations the result of preconceived ideas?

The wording seems to be saying: the sin is the mothers at conception.

What do we know which could show it to be David’s mother and a problem?

David had two half-sisters (Zeruiah, Abigail)…..:

1CHR 2:13-16 13 “And Jesse begat his firstborn Eliab, and Abinadab the second, and Shimma the third, 14 Nethaneel the fourth, Raddai the fifth, 15 Ozem the sixth, David the seventh: 16 Whose sisters were Zeruiah, and Abigail. And the sons of Zeruiah; Abishai, and Joab, and Asahel, three. 17 And Abigail bare Amasa: and the father of Amasa was Jether the Ishmeelite.”

Again the translators do not like the idea of these sisters only being David’s so the change the wording and meaning, but the better translations is:

KJV Whose sisters were Zeruiah, and Abigail. And the sons of Zeruiah; Abishai, and Joab, and Asahel, three.

Why might these two only be David’s sisters and not Jesse’s daughters: 2Sam 17:25 “And Absalom made Amasa captain of the host instead of Joab: which Amasa was a man’s son, whose name was Ithra an Israelite, that went in to Abigail the daughter of Nahash, sister to Zeruiah Joab’s mother.”

Nahash is king of the Ammonites.

1 Chronicles 19:2 David thought, “I will show kindness to Hanun son of Nahash, because his father showed kindness to me.” So David sent a delegation to express his sympathy to Hanun concerning his father. When David’s envoys came to Hanun in the land of the Ammonites to express sympathy to him,

Why did Nahash show kindness to David?

David’s Jewish mother seems to have been previously married to Nahash the Ammonite and later was the second wife of Jesse, this was not a “sin” most likely but later could have been perceived as a sin, thus Jesse not counting David as one of his sons and all his brothers treating him badly.

A lot more can be said, but it was not David being conceived a sinner, but his mother conceiving him could be perceived as a sin.

Now we can go further into scripture showing how David was treated and persecuted as an outsider by his family and loved only by his mother.
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The Criminal Records of the illegal immigrants arrested in LA

Do undercover police have the RIGHT to randomly grab people off teh street and shove them in a van?

That feels like a "news to me" moment.
Nope but you just moved the goal posts. We were talking about wearing masks and not having their badges showing. As far as grabbing people off the streets the Supreme Court validated ICE permission to do so which I am not in full agreement with.
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A conversation about unity.

John 17:21

This unity was to be visible to the world - in the marketplace - we are called to go to into the world with Him together in agreement with the Aroma of life to life.

Our practices have become building-centric - not that they don't have a place but Jesus built the church house to house.

I wonder if readers have read "From temple to meeting house" by Harold Turner ???
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Is This The New Normal?

Seriously, 4 (ish) states deciding it all is what happens now. Every Trump election (win or loss) invoved only the outcome of GA, MI, WI, AZ, PA, NV and two EVs in NE and ME. NC teased us with potential importance, but went to Trump all three times.

My vote and yours did not matter in my red state and you in NY state. If we had a direct election (the so called "popular vote" then we would cancel directly, but we would actually matter just as much as any pair of offsetting voters within PA do now.
I was referring to the sheer size of the population in those four (or five, maybe) states, California, New York, Illinois, Ohio, and Pennsylvania. Granted Pennsylvania is a swing state, but there are lots of others that come close that would overwhelm the 35-ish red states.

With the electoral college, we have the same representation in the election as we do in Congress. If we trust that representation to make laws for us, we should trust it for voting for the president. Mostly it comes down to the states that swing in all elections. Of course, to make it really interesting, all states should swing.
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How is it that the Catholic Church is evil?

Wonderful post, but there are nuances that I’m trying to figure out.

Certainly the Roman Church started down the road of corruption starting in about 380 A.D. with the execution anyone who refused to submit to the Pope. The Orthodox Churches fared better, but there has been plenty of corruption on a smaller scale. The problem is power and money. Leaders of the Church forsake the teachings of Christ for worldly gain. Protestants are not immune. One only has to look at the scandals in “Mega-churches.” Doctrinal issues are a bit different, but there is a big difference between what the early church fathers believed and what the average Catholic has believed though the ages. I have Catholic friends that believe in salvation by works, not because of church doctrine, but because that is the message they seem to receive from the Roman Church “between the lines.” The other problem is that there is a tendency to think that the Church will somehow give them a ticket to heaven rather than faith in Christ. It is as though you show your certificate of baptism at the gates of Heaven, and all is well. However, God is not hampered, and many Catholics are saved through faith in Christ. The Good News is basically preached in every Mass, whether the priest believes it or not. Personally, I wish that every saved Catholic would leave the church and find a better place to worship and fellowship, but I’m obviously wrong, based on my Christian friends in the Roman Church and many of the Catholic and Orthodox Christians you can find on this forum. That is the attraction to threads like this.
Yes, Protestants have been guilty of persecutions and murder in the name of Christ as well. The problem is almost always the same. Apostate Christinas empowered by the state, just end up persecuting. These powers must be and remain separated. This is what Protestants eventually learned, and established by the Declaration of Independence and Constitution of these United States. Which the minority of Catholics within this nation at that time, the Rationalists of the day (Secular Humanists), majority Protestants, and others all agreed upon and backed up. This they did without the approval of the Popes and the Vatican, but rather in contradiction to the same.

May God preserve liberty and justice for all, and prevent the left or right from overstepping the bounds of restraint our founding documents and fathers intended to keep in check. The progressive left has wanted to mandate their own views or faith if you will, upon all, and we seem to be succeeding in over throwing those intentions. May we be able to succeed, without then going overboard ourselves and attempting to mandate our views and or faith upon them or any other.
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ICE Launches Operation Midway Blitz in Honor of Katie Abraham to Target Criminal Illegal Aliens Terrorizing Americans in Sanctuary Illinois

Is not probable cause for arrest. Is probable cause to suspect. Is probable cause to detain for questioning.
And after questioning and investigation, 99% of the time, there is enough probable cause to arrest.
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What Is Your Music Doing For You? The #1 Sound Your Brain Desperately Wants to Hear

Wow I love the fusion of bluegrass and Jazzy stuff. I have gone down the rabbit hole on the roots of this type of music. With the blues root singers but also what I call Mountain music, such as around Appalachia.
There are some interesting online courses about blues in Appalachia at The Augusta Heritage Center. There is also really good information from Joan Fenton, the Queen of the Blues, a performer and musicologist who received a grant to record Appalachian blues before it is lost.

Chicargo must have been a buzzing city at the time as I understand it was a pioneering city for musos to come and get a name. Especially the Jazz and blues singers. More or less pioneering rock in some ways with artists like Muddy Waters and Chuck Berry based at Cadillac Records.

It would have been a thriving place for live music, little joints playing blues and Jazz and a bit of electrified blues. Was there any buskers at the time. What sort of music were they playing.

I'm not sure about what time period you are referring to. Now the most common busking instruments are guitars, saxophones, violins, and blues harps. Every now and again, you see a guitarist and a harp player or a guitarist and a light percussionist together.

Buskers now have to buy a $100 two-year street performer's license to play on the street. They can still play for free in the CTA (Chicago Transit Authority) light rail commuter stations, and in Metra (standard commuter rail serving suburbs) stations.

Here's an article on current legal annoyances related to busking in Chicago.

Thanks I can see what you mean. Its almost like a traditional Cathederal choir in Flamenco style. Which I think matches the simple words of the gospel sung like a victory song with the trumpets. Or a declaration to the world. Would be great seeing this live.
Glad you enjoyed it.

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Lady: Are you the police?
Elwood Blues: No, ma'am, we're musicians ... We're on a mission from God.
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Firing the messenger did nothing. BLS jobs report revises June to be the first *loss* of jobs since 2020. August added 22,000. Unemployment ticks up

Hiring slowdown continues in 1st jobs report since Trump fired commissioner

The U.S. added 22,000 jobs in August, according to data from the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics. That figure showed a sharp decrease from 79,000 jobs added in the previous month. The unemployment rate ticked up to 4.3%, but it remained at a historically low level. The unemployment rate ticked up to 4.3%, but it remained at a historically low level.

The U.S. added an average of about 28,000 jobs over three months ending in July, which marked a major cooldown from the roughly 196,000 jobs added on average over the previous three-month period, U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics (BLS) data showed.

The jobs report on Friday included a downward revision for the month of June, saying the U.S. labor market had lost 13,000 jobs that month, much lower than a previous estimate of 14,000 jobs added. It marked the first monthly job loss since December 2020.

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World Cup in the US?

That was total aggregate between several events in the next 3 years. 6 million were predicted for the World Cup.
Google AI predicts 6-7 million visitors. So far in 2025, foreign tourism has declined, but if this trend continues, we can still expect 3-4 million foreign visitors for FIFA 2026.

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What is your theory, belief around Foreknowledge?

First off: Does that happen with our birth or after we sin, since it happened with Adam and Eve after they first sinned?
I agree we cannot, on our own do anything holy, righteous, worthy or honorable, but can we for purely selfish reasons (a sinful reason) willing accept God's pure undeserving charity as pure undeserved charity?
It happened as a result of Adam’s sin, when they were kicked out of the Garden of Eden. We are born into a fallen world. When Adam sinned, not just mankind, but everything in the world fell. Nature, the animals, everything fell. In Psalms, David stated it like this.

Psalm 51:5 (NASB95) Behold, I was brought forth in iniquity, And in sin my mother conceived me.

Many people see the flood as a baptism of the earth, and the confirmation by fire in the great tribulation will make the earth new again. I am not sure if I necessarily agree with that interpretation, but it shows how the earth needs to be cleansed also.
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ICE Launches Operation Midway Blitz in Honor of Katie Abraham to Target Criminal Illegal Aliens Terrorizing Americans in Sanctuary Illinois

Okay? Doesn't change what Kavenaugh (and his ruling) said though.
Okay. And the vast majority of people with common sense agrees too. I work at a hardware store. Do you know how many women have come into my store to exchange an item and could not speak a lick of English? Where I had to call upon a Spanish speaking employee from the jewelry department to translate the fact that I need to see some form of identification before I can make such a return? Only for these women to walk off in frustration because they could not scam the company? Countless!
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What is your theory, belief around Foreknowledge?

I guess that would be part of it, but a bigger part is that we are not walking in communion with God. We are separated from Him, we don’t seek Him, only evil thoughts proceed from our hearts. Until He deigns to save us, whereupon he replaces our heart of stone and gives us a heart of flesh, and changes our nature from fallen to redeemed and gives us the gift of the Holy Spirit to help conform us to the image of Christ.
First off: Does that happen with our birth or after we sin, since it happened with Adam and Eve after they first sinned?
I agree we cannot, on our own do anything holy, righteous, worthy or honorable, but can we for purely selfish reasons (a sinful reason) willing accept God's pure undeserving charity as pure undeserved charity?
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The fascinating reformed theology paradox of Hebrew 6:4-6

Do you not see that you are applying your human reason/wisdom to God?
No, I was telling ou what Scripture says about God.
Have you studied in the light of the Holy Spirit his word from Ge 1:1 to Bonded Leather to understand him and his ways?
I've no idea what bonded leather is, but I can assure you that I read, and study, Scripture.
It takes takes more than a verse to undersand God as he has revealed himself in his word written (2 Tim 3:16).
No one can fully understand God.
But the God that I see revealed in Scripture wants a relationship with his people and does not give up even when they rebel against him.
Adam and Eve sinned and were escorted from the garden - after being clothed, by God, in robes made from animal skin because they were ashamed of their nakedness.
Cain murdered Abel but was not killed by God. Instead, he married and had children.
Sin was so great by the time of Noah that God sent a flood on the earth. Noah and his family were saved, though they themselves were not perfect.
Abraham, Isaac and Jacob were the patriarchs - all sinned and had 2nd, 3rd and more chances.
Moses was chosen to lead the Israelites out of Egypt. He sinned, argued with God and was not perfect. he didn't get to go into the Promised Land but God did not give up on him. He was the only one in the OT who saw God face to face and he appeared next to Jesus at the transfiguration.
Joshua, Gideon, Samson, Samuel and the prophets were all great people of God. All sinned, messed up and betrayed him; all were given 2nd chances.
David committed adultery, murder and broke half of the commandments over the incident with Bathsheba alone. He repented. He later sinned when he took a census of the people. He was far from perfect but was called a man after God's own heart.
Ahab was a wicked king and was condemned by Elijah. He repented.
The city of Nineveh were condemned by Jonah; they repented and were not destroyed.
The nation of Israel broke their covenant with God again and again. They were punished/corrected, repented because they did not like their punishment, were restored and promised to serve God, sinned again, were punished etc etc. They often worshipped other gods - thus breaking
God's commandments - and some of these other "gods" demanded child sacrifice. Yet the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob did not give up on them completely, nor stop loving them.
Years later, God sent Jesus - a Jew, descended from King David - to offer his life as a sacrifice for sin. Millions of people since have become Christians, sinned, been forgiven and restored, been filled again with God's love and Spirit, and so on. We all sin - none of us is perfect 24/7 in thought, word, deed and unconscious desires. God forgives and restores.
As 1 Corinthians 13 says, love never gives up, always hopes, always perseveres. This chapter is a great definition of love, but the greatest act of love was on the cross when the Son of God laid down his perfect life for us, Romans 5:8, 1 John 3:16.

Scripture shows me that God is merciful, forgiving, patient and doesn't give up even on those made in his image who hurt him again and again.

Pardon me for saying so, but your reference points reveal your study is incomplete.
I only quoted a few verses - you have no idea what, or how much, I have studied.
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World Cup in the US?

Well this article says they expected 40million 7 months ago.
USA unprepared for surge of international travellers for 2026 World Cup: study
I wanna look into typical world cup attendance numbers and see....
That was total aggregate between several events in the next 3 years. 6 million were predicted for the World Cup.
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The Criminal Records of the illegal immigrants arrested in LA

And so then you can prosecute those people those that dox. Am I to believe no one has ever been charged with violence against a cop or their family before?

The rule of law, in a society that wants to improve, is important.

All of this "I guess because you care about the rule of law, the safety of other people isn't important to you" it seems so juvenile. Go ahead and think that I guess. You can be wrong about me.


Do you seriously think that ICE's job is EASIER now that they are all covered up? FRankly, they are lucky they are not getting shot. If someone came into my house without any identifier threatenning me, I'd feel 100% justified in shooting them. You know how easy it is to just say "This is Ice" and then dress up like them? AND in unmarked cars?

Come on. It's like their SOLE purpose is to try to strike fear.
Why on earth would you want to expose the families of law enforcement to become victims of a vigilante mob only to expect the criminal justice system to deal with the aftermath?! This is insane! How about you show your true identity with your full name and address and just trust that the system will eventually take care of things after you are exposed and doxed? So please, I know your true name is not "Rambot" so why will you not give the internet your full identity? No, I am not expecting you to do so, nor am I requesting you to do so. My point is simple, if you want law enforcement to expose themselves and their families to nefarious actors, set the example and do the same. Otherwise, it would be best if you drop the act.
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ICE Launches Operation Midway Blitz in Honor of Katie Abraham to Target Criminal Illegal Aliens Terrorizing Americans in Sanctuary Illinois

As you have said, "the Supreme Court overturned that ruling." So I do not give a flip about whatever a liberal activist district judge thinks.
Okay? Doesn't change what Kavenaugh (and his ruling) said though.
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