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A Midrash over 2 Samuel 22:1-51 and John 20-21

2 SAM 22:1-51

YHVH is my ROCK (Tzuri) and my fortress, and my deliverer; “Elohei Tzuri” (My God) in whom I will take refuge.

My shield and horn of my salvation (YESHUATI.) (2 Sam) The Spirit of God is speaking, again, using the name ROCK and ELOHEI TZURI (the God who leads who is my righteousness). We see the name YESHUA…my “Hightower” (hey, that’s the name of the high school I worked at!) and my refuge. We take refuge in HIM because he has provided us with salvation, eternal life. A “Hightower” is a lookout tower in a fortress where the guards can see the enemy coming. Through Yeshua, the enemy has been beaten. He has been beaten by the “blood”.

Vs 32; “Who is God save YHVH and who is a ROCK save our God?” Again, the names TZUR-ELOHEINU (The ROCK our God) . Also, in Hosea 14, the prophet tells Israel,

“Return to YHVH your Elohim, for you have stumbled by
your wickedness… for the ways of YHVH are straight and the righteous walk in them!

(vs 9). The Prophet Micah also says, “He shall turn back, and have compassion on us, He shall trample upon our wickedness. And you shall throw all our sins into the depths of the sea” (Micah 7:19)

It is not surprising that this verse is read just a week before Yom Kippur. A Yom Kippur tradition is taking breadcrumbs and going to a flowing body of water, throwing the breadcrumbs into it. This tradition is known as “tashlich.” The breadcrumbs symbolize our sins, and the body of flowing water, the sea!

The prophet Joel says, “and you shall know that I AM in the midst of Israel and that I AM YHVH your ELOHIM, and there is no one else.” No wonder he speaks through his prophets, over and over again, telling his people to “love HIM” and to “Follow HIM” doing and keeping his commandments. Unfortunately, his people forgot all of that and later on, followed pagan gods, thus reaping the whirlwind! But just as a father will punish, but not abandon his son, neither will Adonai abandon HIS people and forget them. A loving father chastises yet continues to love.

JOHN 20:26-21:25

A very interesting reading, as Yeshua appears to his disciples after his resurrection, and meets them by the Sea of Galilee, or Tiberias, as it is sometimes called. Since he knew that they were fishermen, he decided to help them out again, since they caught no fish during the night.

“Throw your net over the right side of the boat,” Yeshua told them, and they caught 153 fish.

It was then that they realized, “It is Yeshua!” It is also interesting that the number “153” is symbolic as well. The words, “Ani Elohim” (I am God) in Hebrew gematria sum 153 (Ani = 61) (Elohim = 92) 61+92=153.

Yeshua also talks with Kefa (Peter), “Do you love me?” then…feed my lambs, shepherd my sheep, feed my sheep” three times he asked, “Do you love me?” The answer came back, feed and shepherd the lambs and the sheep.

What is the difference between a lamb and a sheep? A lamb is a very young sheep, up to one year old. So, what is Yeshua telling us here? If we love the LORD, then, as believers and followers, we are to teach and guide both young and old believers, believers who are at different stages in their spiritual walk.

If you want to be used by the LORD, just ask HIM for opportunities to share the Word and teach the Word. Some believers are willing to learn and be guided. There are also the “lost” yet have an open mind to listen to the Words of God, the Words of the “Lamb” of God who took the sins of the world upon himself to set us free!

I will be away from my PC for 3 weeks, going to South Florida to visit family and spend time at our Messianic congregation there. Pray for traveling mercies.

Speaker Johnson describes planned No Kings rally as ‘hate America,’ ‘pro-Hamas’ gathering

I agree, its not. Pretty much 99% of Americans arw anti-facist. No kings doesn't own that by any means. However No Kings seeks to put out a false narrative. And it attracts other groups that do rhe same with whatever ideology they want to promote.

But mostly its a fake narrative, which of course they arw entitled to do in a free nation. Which shows how its a fake narrative. Because if we were a facist state, No Kings would not be allowed. The protests in Portland would be ruthlessly destroyed as well as the ones in Chicago. So, March away, they arw just proving that they are wrong.
why blatantly straw man?
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Men now surpass women in church attendance, especially among Gen X, millennials: Barna

you seem to be saying that women are moving into the roles traditionally held by men...
...which we've already discussed as being the wrong roles from a Christian perspective.
A Christian perspective, perhaps. By no means the only possible Christian perspective.
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Men now surpass women in church attendance, especially among Gen X, millennials: Barna

Women were expected to marry and reproduce. The culture was patriarchal. Their entrance into the workforce coupled with feminism altered the atmosphere.



They’ve moved nearer to their origin in the garden. Man was given a directive and that includes everyone.



All ideologies need adherents for furtherance. If we center the question on tradition the answer has been provided. Women are moving away from traditional roles and opening themselves to new opportunities. For some that means a life devoid of marriage and children. For others it means explorations in leadership including entrepreneurs. Some feel compelled to teach and offer instruction and support for women, mothers, etc. The paths are numerous because our knitting differs.

~bella
you seem to be saying that women are moving into the roles traditionally held by men...
...which we've already discussed as being the wrong roles from a Christian perspective.
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Men attend less singles events than women

I understand that some folks are uncomfortable talking to strangers. But remember,every friend that you now have,was a one time........a stranger.
True, but they didn't come out of a speed dating type scenario. Every friendship I've had was the result of prolonged contact with the person, not talking to them only for a few minutes and then moving onto a conversation with someone else.
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need prayers finding a church (political triggers inside)

My denomination also has members from a variety of different political parties, and I do not normally hear priests endorse any particular party or candidate. Ethics, yes, sometimes; but parties and candidates, no.

While you'd be welcome in my Episcopal church, @chevyontheriver has been giving you good advice about the Catholic community. If Catholic Christianity has been nurturing you in recent years, then I'd encourage you to see whether the Catholic Church could be a good home for you. Have you been worshipping at a Catholic church, or is there one near you that you'd feel comfortable visiting?
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The Lost House of Israel

But one doesn't have to be a British Israelist to believe, or at least want to believe, that the Countenance Divine really did shine forth upon your clouded hills. I know, there's no compelling reason to believe that our Lord did visit England, but neither is there any reason to declare as fact that He did not.
My contention is that if her husband Joseph had died, Mary and her family could easily have made that journey as her uncle Joseph of Arimathea: had ships that traded between Rome and Britian. They settled at Glastonbury and helped acquire tin, lead and food grains.
What makes this more probable, is when Jesus selected His disciples, they did not seem to be known to each other.
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The History of the “Two Laws” Theory in Romans 3:20

This is a well thought out observation. Here are my comments on your points.
Thank you.

1. The threefold division is descriptive, not imposed

It’s true that Scripture never labels laws “moral, civil, and ceremonial,” but that doesn’t mean the distinction is invalid.
The division is an observation about function, not a claim about how Moses categorized the law.

Scriptural pattern:

  • Moral commands — timeless duties grounded in God’s character (e.g., “You shall not murder,” Ex. 20:13).
  • Civil laws — applications of moral principles to Israel’s national life (e.g., property, restitution, penalties).
  • Ceremonial laws — rituals foreshadowing Christ (e.g., sacrifices, priesthood, dietary restrictions).
We are free to categorize God's laws in whatever way that want but we should not interpret the authors of the Bible as if they had in mind a list of laws that we created. For example, I could categorize God's laws based on which part of the body is most commonly used to obey/disobey them, such as with the law against theft being a hand law, but just because I can do that does not establish that the authors of the Bible categorized God's laws in the same manner or that they would agree with me that the law against theft best fits as a hand law, so I would quickly run into error if I were to interpret the authors of the Bible as referring to hand laws.

Moreover, the category of moral law is especially problematic for reasons that I stated in my previous post. the Bible makes no attempt to distinguish between some laws are being moral or not, but rather all of God's laws are timeless duties grounded in His character. Just because something is a civil or ceremonial issue doesn't mean that it is not also a moral issue, such as with marriage being a civil, ceremonial, and moral issue. Holiness is a timeless duty grounded in God's character, so holiness is a moral issue and many of God's instructions for how to be holy as He is holy are often considered by people to be ceremonial laws.

Jesus Himself acknowledged a hierarchy and enduring core within the law:
The goal of God's law is to graciously teach us how to know Him by embodying His likeness through being a doer of His character traits, so His character traits are the weightier matter of His law.

He also taught that love of God and neighbor sum up all the law (Matt. 22:37–40), which assumes some laws express the essence while others are derivative.

So while the Bible never uses the labels, the distinction is biblically grounded in purpose and fulfillment.
Everything in God's law is either in regard to how to love God or our neighbor, which is why Jesus said that those are the greatest two commandments and that all of the other commandments hang on them, so the position that we should obey the greatest two commandments is also the position that we should obey all of the commandments that hang on them. The way to love God is by embodying His likeness through being a doer of His character traits, such as the way to love justice is by being a doer of justice, the way to love holiness is by being a doer of His instructions for how to be holy as He is holy, and so forth. In other words, the goal of God's law is to graciously teach us how to love different aspects of His character traits, which is why the Bible repeatedly states that the way to love God is by obeying His commandments. The only way that we should cease to follow God's instructions for how to be holy as He is holy would be if God were to cease to be holy and if someone refuses to follow those instructions, then holiness is an aspect of God's character that they should not love.

2. God’s laws are all righteous, but not all permanent

It is correct that all God’s laws are moral when given — but not all are universally binding for all time.
Some were covenantal expressions of holiness for Israel, designed to point to Christ.
God's righteousness is eternal (Psalms 119:142), therefore any instructions that He has ever given for how to be a doer of His righteousness are also eternally valid (Psalms 119:160), and if the way to be a doer of God's righteousness were temporary, then God's righteousness would also be temporary. God's way is the way to know Him and Jesus by embodying His likeness through being a doer of His character traits, which is the narrow way to eternal life (John 17:3). In Matthew 7:23, Jesus said that he would tell those who are workers of lawlessness to depart from him because he never knew them, so the law points us to Christ because it was graciously given in order to teach us how to know Him and we should live in a way that points to Christ by follow his example of obedience to it rather than a way that points away from him.

Scriptural evidence:

  • Hebrews 7:12 — “For when the priesthood is changed, of necessity there is also a change of the law.”
That verse could not be referring to a change of the law in regard to its content, such as with it becoming righteous to commit murder or sinful to do charity, but rather the context is speaking about a change in the priesthood, which would regard a change of the law in regard to its administration. A priesthood led by God's Word made flesh does not involve a departure from following God's Word.

  • Hebrews 10:1 — The law was “a shadow of the good things to come.”
God's law is am important foreshadow that testifies about the good things that are to come, so we should live in a way that testifies about the good things that are to come by following Christ example of obedience to it rather than a way that bears false witness against the good things that to come.

  • Ephesians 2:15 — Christ “abolished in His flesh the law of commandments contained in ordinances.”
Ephesians 2:15 could not be referring to any of God's laws because all of God's laws are eternal. God did not make any mistakes when He gave His law, so He had no need to abolish His eternal character traits or any of His eternal instructions for how to be a doer of His character traits. God did not give any laws for the purpose of creating a dividing wall of hostility, but rather His law instructs to love our neighbors as ourselves. In Ephesians 2:10-15, we are new creations in Christ to do good works, so it would make any sense to think that Christ abolished his instructions for how to do good works, and indeed, the Greek word "dogma" is never used by the Bible to refer to the Law of God.

In Ephesians 2:12-19, Gentiles were at one time separated from Christ, alienated from Israel and strangers to the covenants of promise, without God and hope in their world, which is all in accordance with Gentiles at one time not being doers of the Law of God, but through faith in Christ all of that is no longer true in that Gentiles are no longer strangers or aliens but are fellow citizens of Israel along with the saints in the household of God, which is all in accordance with Gentiles becoming doers of the Law of God.

Thus, rejecting the ongoing obligation of ceremonial or civil statutes does not imply they were immoral — only that their intended purpose has been fulfilled.
The purpose of God's law is to teach us how to have an intimate relationship with him by walking in His way, which is something that we need to keep on fulfilling.

3. Jesus and the apostles explicitly set aside covenant-specific laws

Christ Himself declared certain Mosaic requirements obsolete:

  • Mark 7:18–19 — By declaring all foods clean, He set aside dietary restrictions.
  • Matthew 5:31–32 — He revised Mosaic divorce concessions, citing God’s original design.
  • Acts 15:10–11, 28–29 — The Jerusalem Council determined Gentiles were not bound by the full Mosaic code.
Jesus and the Apostles quoted from the OT hundreds of times in order to support what they were saying, so it doesn't work to interpret them in a way that turns them against following what they considered to be an authoritative source. For example, Jesus quoted three times from Deuteronomy in order to defeat the temptations of Satan, which included saying that man shall not live by bread alone but by every word that comes from the mouth of God, so he affirmed God as being an authoritative source. In Deuteronomy 12:32, it is a sin to add to or subtract from God's law, so Jesus and the Apostles did not do that. In Deuteronomy 13, the way that God instructed to determine that someone is a false prophet who is not speaking for him is if they speak against obeying His law, so Jesus and the Apostles did not do that. It does work to interpret Jesus as speaking against obeying what God spoke in Deuteronomy 14 or to interpret the Apostles as speaking against following over 99% of what Christ taught.

Romans 6:14
Paul described the law that we are not under as being a law where sin had dominion over us, which does not describe the Law of God, but rather that is the role of the law of sin. In Romans 6:15, being under grace does not mean that we are permitted to sin, and in Romans 3:20, it is by the Law of God that we have knowledge of what sin is, so we are still under it.

Colossians 2:16-17
In Colossians 2:16-23, the Colossians were keeping God's feasts in obedience to His commands, they were being judged for doing that by pagans who were promoting human teachings and precepts, self-made religion, asceticism, and severity to the body, and Paul was encouraging them not to let anyone prevent them from obeying God. Those promoting asceticism and severity to the body would be judging people for celebrating feasts, not for refraining from doing that.

The moral principle (obedience to God) remains, but the covenant expression changes under Christ.
Christ was not in disagreement with what God commanded.

4. Obedience under the New Covenant is Spirit-empowered, not code-based

Under the Mosaic covenant, morality was expressed in statutes; under the New Covenant, it is written on the heart (Jeremiah 31:33; Romans 8:3–4).
This means believers do not “pick and choose” laws but live by the Spirit, who fulfills the law’s righteous intent in us.


To follow the Spirit’s law of love is not to lean on one’s own understanding, but to walk in the fulfillment of God’s moral will through Christ.
Changing the medium upon which God's law is written from on stone to on our hearts does not change the content of what it instructs. For example, the command to honor our parents written on stone has the same content as the command to honor our parents written on our hearts. God has not commanded anything that wasn't in perfect accordance with living by the Spirit, which is why Paul contrasted those who walk in the Spirit with those who have minds set on the flesh who are enemies of God who refuse to submit to the Law of God (Romans 8:4-7). The character traits of God that the Law of God was graciously given in order to teach us how to embody that are the moral will of God are the fruits of the Spirit, which is why the Spirit has the role of leading us to obey it (Ezekiel 36:26-27).

5. The moral continuity of God’s character does not require legal continuity

God’s nature never changes, but His covenants can.

  • Genesis 9 — Dietary permission changed after the flood.
  • Exodus 19 — Israel received new laws at Sinai.
  • Hebrews 8:13 — “He has made the first covenant obsolete.”
Therefore, affirming the end of Mosaic legislation under the New Covenant does not question God’s morality — it acknowledges His progressive revelation and redemptive plan.
God's character traits of eternal, so any instructions that God has ever given for how to be a doer of them are eternally and cumulatively valid regardless of which covenant someone is under, if any. While God can progressively reveal more instructions about how to be a doer of His character traits, those instructions will always be in accordance with what He has previously revealed. The Mosaic Covenant is eternal (Exodus 31:14-17, Leviticus 24:8), so the only way that it can be replaced by the New Covenant is if it cumulative with it. One thing can only make another thing obsolete to the extent that it has cumulative functionality, so a computer makes a typewriter obsolete but does not make a plow obsolete, which means that if the New Covenant involved doing something different that was not cumulative with the Mosaic Covenant, then it could not make it obsolete. So the New Covenant still involves following the Law of God (Hebrews 8:10) plus it is cumulatively based on better promises and has a superior mediator (Hebrews 8:6).

Jesus spent his ministry teaching his followers to obey the Law of God by word and by example and the reason why he established the New Covenant was not in order to nullify anything that he spent his ministry teaching or so that we could continue to have the same lawlessness that caused the New Covenant to be needed in the first place, but rather the New Covenant still involves following the Law of God (Jeremiah 31:33).
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The Power Of One Article

Revelation 6:15 The Kings of the earth, the nobles and the commanders, and all people, slave or free.......

What you must provide is any scripture that says the faithful peoples will be removed from the Lords Day of wrath.
As there is no such scripture, we can all see what a false teacher you are.
Keras, the “faithful peoples” are not even on Earth at the time of Rev 6:15-17.
Revelation 6:15 The Kings of the earth, the nobles and the commanders, and all people, slave or free.......

What you must provide is any scripture that says the faithful peoples will be removed from the Lords Day of wrath.
As there is no such scripture, we can all see what a false teacher you are.
Keras, it’s so nice to cross paths with you again! How have you been?

Here’s the answer to your question. Let’s look at Rev 6:15-17 and very important related verses.

Rev 6:15-17 (ESV): Then the kings of the earth and the great ones and the generals and the rich and the powerful, and everyone, slave and free, hid themselves in the caves and among the rocks of the mountains, 16 calling to the mountains and rocks, “Fall on us and hide us from the face of him who is seated on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb, 17 for the great day of their wrath has come, and who can stand?”

In verse 15, “everyone” on the earth reacts by hiding in caves and among the rocks.

In verse 16, everyone is reacting to an alleged sighting of Jesus, by hiding.

Verse 17 is popularly interpreted as the starting point for the wrath in the Trib.

First, those verses prove that everyone (verse 15) dwelling on the earth behave the exact opposite of believers. They run and hide from an alleged sighting of Jesus (verses 15-16).

Now, consider this: What would believers do in the same circumstances? We would no doubt run TO Jesus, exceedingly overjoyed to worship and praise Him!

There isn’t one believer among “everyone” on the earth at the time of the 6th seal. “Everyone” on the earth is accounted for in verse 15. They all run and hide from Jesus (verses 15-17).

Let’s look at wrath. First and foremost, it will be found that all verses about God’s wrath do not always include the word “wrath.”

Here’s one example: Ezekiel 14:21 (NLT): “Now this is what the Sovereign Lord says: How terrible it will be when all four of these dreadful punishments fall upon Jerusalem—war, famine, wild animals, and disease—destroying all her people and animals.

The most dreadful wrath is “war, famine, wild beasts, and disease.”

Let’s look at the 2nd seal. Rev 6:3-4 (NLT): When the Lamb broke the second seal, I heard the second living being say, “Come!” 4 Then another horse appeared, a red one. Its rider was given a mighty sword and the authority to take peace from the earth. And there was war and slaughter everywhere.

In the 2nd seal, we find wars occurring simultaneously all over the world. All of the earth is suddenly a “kill or be killed” society. The wrath in the Trib provably begins in the 2nd seal.

Let’s look at the 4th seal. Rev 6:7-8 (NLT): When the Lamb broke the fourth seal, I heard the fourth living being say, “Come!” 8 I looked up and saw a horse whose color was pale green. Its rider was named Death, and his companion was the Grave. These two were given authority over one-fourth of the earth, to kill with the sword and famine and disease and wild animals.

In the 4th seal, all four of the most “dreadful punishments” (Ezekiel 14:21) fall upon the earth.

In the Trib, God’s wrath officially begins in the 2nd seal, and it escalates from there (4th seal). The “wrath to come” begins in the 2nd seal (Rev 6:3-4).

1 Th 1:10 (ESV): and to wait for his Son from heaven, whom he raised from the dead, Jesus who delivers us from the wrath to come.

There is Jesus, again, keeping all believers from the wrath to come in the Trib, just as in Rev 3:10.
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Fear, pain and hunger: The dire impact of shutting down USAID in Africa, leaving a vacuum for China and Russia

You really think Jesus had hurtful intent behind his words to the woman caught in adultery?
No. Now, moving on. This may sound crazy and absurd, but it is possible to say things that others may find hurtful out of love and compassion. Like a loving parent telling their child that they are disappointed with their decisions. Is this why so many people in the left enjoy the thought of conservatives being killed, because they cannot handle constructive criticism?
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Pope Leo says faith and love for migrants are connected

"The Church, like a mother, accompanies those who are walking," Leo wrote in the document released by the Vatican on Thursday...
Faith & love for migrants are connected. Faith & love for our own country and family are EVEN MORE connected.
We can't love others if we don't love ourselves.
If we intent on harming our own country or family, it's not faith or love.
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What is Calvinism and its beliefs?

I’m not a Calvinist. Assuming is not a good thing is it? I replied to your post because you made it like you where hitting some philosophical view but in further inspection is just about someone else’s thought and opinion not yours.
Incidentally I am struck by your description of Karl Barth as just "someone else".

He is described for example as the "[l]eading Protestant systematic theologian of modern times".

Michael Glazier and Monika K. Hellwig, The Modern Catholic Encyclopedia (Collegeville, MN: Liturgical Press, 2004), 68.

and

"[o]ne of the most influential theologians of the 20th century".

Andrew R. Talbert, “Hermeneutics, History of,” in The Lexham Bible Dictionary, ed. John D. Barry et al. (Bellingham, WA: Lexham Press, 2016).

and

"probably the most important Protestant theologian of the twentieth century".

Thomas G. Weinandy, Jesus the Christ (Ex Fontibus Company, 2020), 162.

His work reshaped theology after the collapse of 19th-century liberalism and continues to affect nearly every branch of Christian thought today.

His influence on Catholic theologians such as von Balthasar and Rahner was immense, as well as Protestant figures like Bonhoeffer and Moltmann.

He also helped prepare the ground for the Second Vatican Council’s renewed focus on revelation and Christocentrism.

Calling Karl Barth "someone else" in a forum that is supposed to be about General Theology is kind of like calling Plato "some guy" in a philosophy forum.
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Average consumer now carries $6,329 in credit card debt. 'People are stretched,' expert says

When I see people who invested in something shill that thing as hard as hark! does, I get wary.

Besides, isn't the topic of this thread that people can't afford groceries? I guess the suggested course of action is to buy gold...
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Speaker Johnson describes planned No Kings rally as ‘hate America,’ ‘pro-Hamas’ gathering

Propaganda is anti-American where as peaceful protesting is pro-American. I've been to several rallies and plan to attend "No Kings". The concept of not having a King as the ruler of this country is the bedrock of this country.
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"Under Title X of the US Code, the President has plenary authority..."

Local government and law enforcement are refusing to protect.
Has this been legally determined? Or are you just decreeing it to be so?
So it's time to bring in the national guard to do the job. That's not going to infringe upon local authorities exercising their right to do nothing.
Under what authority? Let's see the statute.
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Pope Leo says faith and love for migrants are connected

I have a bargain of sorts that I think may be a good compromise, we'll see who goes for it ;)


It involves replacing the paperwork and tests involved in the immigration and asylum processes.



It would be a simple 3 part form:
1) List 10 reasons why you think the country you're looking to get out of sucks.

2) List 10 ways the US is far superior to the country you're looking to get out of.

3) Denounce arranged marriages


That should pretty much cover it...

I'd put much more stock in someone giving good answers to those questions vs. being able to do 8th grade civics trivia.

Good answers to those questions = a fast track "Welcome aboard the American experiment, glad to have you"
I hope you are not entirely serious.
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Speaker Johnson describes planned No Kings rally as ‘hate America,’ ‘pro-Hamas’ gathering

So I've read.

Andy Ngo however did not.

why attribute a statement made by another to him?
Apologies - I thought you were talking about the OP article. Andy Ngo is not the topic of this thread.
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Labor Dept warns Immigration Policies Threaten Stability of the Domestic Food Supply

I suppose our only option is illegal labor?
That's the way the Right has allways seen it. If you bring them in on H visas they're subject to US labor law and have to be paid almost as much as domestic workers. Can't have that, cuts into profits.
I actually can think of several options beside that.
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