Bradskii said:

You can have two different moral positions held by two Christians, both of whom are convinced that God is informing their decisions. Which one is correct?

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com7fy8 said:

Both could be wrong, or right . . . depending.

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Bradskii said:

Then the term absolute morality ceases to have meaning.

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But I mean wrong or right, according to absolute moral standards.

keras said:

But because the Jews rejected and killed Jesus, the Kingdom was taken from them. Matthew 21:43

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Classic example of a blinded observation followed by a wrong conclusion. Sad part is you can't see it.

So let's do a simple yes, no exercise:

Are ALL of Israel God's children?

And if yes, did He blow it? And get forced into a corner to burn Hus children alive forever or eternally annihilated them?

Just the simple stuff ^^^

RDKirk said:

I'm sorry if you don't know that had been happening since at least Andrew Jackson.

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I disagree.

BPPLEE said:

When the state and local government gives sanctuary status to illegal immigrants

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That is there right to do per the 10th amendment.

BPPLEE said:

and instructs law enforcement not to cooperate with federal authorities it makes it kind of difficult to work with them

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Too bad.

FAITH-IN-HIM said:

The enforcement of immigration law is under federal government jurisdiction, not local government, mayors, or governors. The federal government has the authority to enforce these laws, similar to other areas of federal enforcement. Over the past 249 years, Federal government has worked together on such matters with local government.

Now, it's become common for the federal government to intervene locally against the wishes of residents and officials, simply to stage photo-op for voters who don't live in the state.

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We have the president and secdef and director of homeland security, in no uncertain terms, essentially declaring war on these cities. Threatening with military action. How are local governments supposed to respond to that?

fhansen said:

We know that that the requirement is not fuilfilled by us but in and through us by the Holy Spirit as we cooperate with Him. So how does this play out, and what, exactly, does this righteousness look like?

"Therefore, brothers and sisters, we have an obligation—but it is not to the flesh, to live according to it. For if you live according to the flesh, you will die; but if by the Spirit you put to death the misdeeds of the body, you will live. For those who are led by the Spirit of God are the children of God." Rom 8:12-14

That's our spiritual union with God.

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fhansen said:

Union with Christ is union with God, the reverse of the alienation from Him intiated by Adam. This is a union/communion/fellowship/relationship that man was made for, that fulfills the very purpose of his existence.

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I think "union/communion/fellowship/relationship" are all related in that the final three follow from the first. Jesus said,


I think this speaks to what it is meant by 1 Corinthians 6:17 - "But he who is joined to the Lord is one spirit with Him".

BPPLEE said:

When the state and local government gives sanctuary status to illegal immigrants and instructs law enforcement not to cooperate with federal authorities it makes it kind of difficult to work with them

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It doesn't stop them from being arrested. But ICE has to do a professional job. That apartment house raid was a clown circus.

Apple Sky said:

Like I said earlier, the only one who has ever been to Heaven is Jesus.

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They went to space not to Heaven. The missions that I posted happened. Do you think the powers to be covered up 368 flights to space? Time to take off your tin foil hat.

Always in His Presence said:

Nope:

• • βαπτίζω (baptizō) means to immerse, to submerge, or to dip. It comes from βάπτω (baptō), which simply means to dip or to dye.
  • βάπτισμα (baptisma) is the noun form, meaning immersion, washing, or more technically, baptism.

Immersion in water - immersion in the Holy Spirit

question - what is your native language? Perhaps we can converse clearer in that.

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Though I speak another language I do prefer English , will you EXPLAIN 1 Cor 9:2 , And all were BAPTIZED. and Moses

and the Greek word for WATER //. HYDOR. is Not. in the Greek Text. , in the CLOUD and in. the SEA ??

And what does the CLOUD. and the SEA , repreast. ??

dan p

rjs330 said:

Because this was a targeted mission. You know thing you have been demanding. Going after criminals. It precisely was NOT a whole town but a single building taken over by a foreign terrorist criminal gang. You should be grateful they are doing what you want.

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Yes, they were putting on a show just for you.

FAITH-IN-HIM said:

The enforcement of immigration law is under federal government jurisdiction, not local government, mayors, or governors. The federal government has the authority to enforce these laws, similar to other areas of federal enforcement. Over the past 249 years, Federal government has worked together on such matters with local government.

Now, it's become common for the federal government to intervene locally against the wishes of residents and officials, simply to stage photo-op for voters who don't live in the state.

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When the state and local government gives sanctuary status to illegal immigrants and instructs law enforcement not to cooperate with federal authorities it makes it kind of difficult to work with them

I must say it has become very personal for me.You see, I have brown grandchildren, the offspring of my very Anglo Caucasian son and his lovely citizen wife of Mexican heritage. They are only 5 & 3 and cute and smart as a button. The thought that my grandkids are growing up in an America where they may be stopped at any time with "papers please," pulled over while driving brown, or detained until they prove they have a right to be here scares me for them. And, it angers me, too. It is not the kind of country we are supposed to be. I recently talked to their great aunt who works for a 3-letter Federal agency. She is afraid to take her trash bin to the curb without ensuring she has her .gov ID around her neck. It is not the kind of country we are supposed to be.

BPPLEE said:

So it’s up to the governor, the mayor, locally elected officials and local residents to tell the Feds that they can’t enforce federal law and deport illegal immigrants.?
Give me a break

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The enforcement of immigration law is under federal government jurisdiction, not local government, mayors, or governors. The federal government has the authority to enforce these laws, similar to other areas of federal enforcement. Over the past 249 years, Federal government has worked together on such matters with local government.

Now, it's become common for the federal government to intervene locally against the wishes of residents and officials, simply to stage photo-op for voters who don't live in the state.

Of course you have my prayers. This getting old thing sure isn't what it looked like in the brochures ;o)

Sorry to hear of your BIL

I've been wondering for days why Pete Hegseth's 'speech' sounded like a high school gym teacher 'dumbing it down' for junior high students? I think I've found it.

As a former soldier I only had 4 years in the Australian Army Survey Corp making maps, and was never posted overseas in active engagement with the enemy! (Yes - and then I went on to study welfare and ended up in Child Protection - just in case anyone wanted to challenge my having a military background as well. I'm a 'career-carnie' and have moved sideways, across the lower rungs of many ladders, instead of up one ladder.)

However, Lt. Gen. Ben Hodges provided feedback helped clarify it for me. And it's fairly basic:-

CIVILIZED OR NOT?
America needs to have allies and friends confident that they are one of us, one of those freedom loving nations that follow international law in the conventions of warfare. It's not "politically correct" or "woke" to follow the Geneva Convention! It's not some grand leftist conspiracy to make the American military less effective to try and limit the horror of war - especially as modern arms have become more precise and discriminating in targeting enemy combatants rather than just carpet bombing an enemy city - military and civilians alike. It's what separates us from the way the Russians are indiscriminately attacking civilian apartments and infrastructure in Ukraine.

MAXIMUM LETHALITY OR MAXIMUM MISSION BRIEF?
'Maximum lethality' only works in certain very specific missions.
Some combat situations DO require 'maximum lethality' - and the Obama administration used that when necessary! EG: Taking out Bin Laden. So what's this "woke" nonsense?

PEACE-KEEPING
But in a post-war peace-keeping capacity, in "Jus Post Bellum" AFTER the combat - you do NOT want trigger happy soldiers to randomly mow down any crowd of upset civilians! Because in the chaos of a post-war situation, there just is going to to be many instances where unhappy crowds are shouting and jostling around supply trucks, or protesting the many issues that arise when rebuilding both the infrastructure of buildings and government processes from scratch.

PROPAGANDA - AND THAT AWKWARD MIKE-DROP MOMENT
It's the same old MAGA playbook. Manufacture a perceived crisis - and then come in - flapping gums blazing - acting like the White Hat Sheriff promising to save the day. It's a showdown at High Noon with "woke leftists". Except - Hegseth's gym class is aimed at the world's most elite generals and admirals. His last line was delivered like a "mike drop" moment - yet was met with stony silence at the end.

Is ANYONE in this administration REMOTELY qualified to do their job!?

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Nithavela said:

I think it's amazing that you guys aren't fleeing the USA.

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Patriotic Americans generally stand their ground.

durangodawood said:

You are misusing "bandwagon fallacy". Thats a logical fallacy sometimes deployed in discussion.

But an empirically derived description of people using consensus to determine what they think is correct is not a bandwagon fallacy. It is in fact a correct description if it matches how people are behaving. And people sometime do behave that way.

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Can you provide an example of one of an empirically derived consensus?


You are arguing that if there is a consensus based on empirical observations, that consensus must be objectively true. Note, there was a time where the consensus was that the earth was the center of the universe. Now, we can look back and say the consensus was wrong. My point is that if your argument depends on a consensus, especially on morality which cannot be empirically measured, it is a bandwagon fallacy.

NewLifeInChristJesus said:

But I could be wong about this. Maybe you could explain what you think our union with Christ means.

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Union with Christ is union with God, the reverse of the alienation from Him intiated by Adam. This is a union/communion/fellowship/relationship that man was made for, that fulfills the very purpose of his existence.

ThatRobGuy said:

Does that make it better or worse in your estimation?

I couldn't tell if people were upset about the fact that it was UFC, or the fact that an entertainment event was being done for the USA's 250th Birthday on a national holiday.


As far as an entertainment event being put on for a birthday celebration for a White House resident, there actually is some precedent for that.

If you include elaborate B-day celebrations for presidents that became entertainment spectacles (both in and out of the white house property), that's a noteworthy list

President / First Lady	Year	Venue	Performers / Celebrities	Notes
John F. Kennedy	1962	Madison Square Garden, NY	Marilyn Monroe, Ella Fitzgerald, Maria Callas, Diahann Carroll	The legendary “Happy Birthday, Mr. President” performance; fundraiser attended by 15,000.
Lyndon B. Johnson	1966	White House	Andy Williams, Pearl Bailey, Julie Andrews	LBJ’s birthday events often featured major stars; this one marked his 58th.
Ronald Reagan	1981–1988	White House & private venues	Frank Sinatra, Dean Martin, Bob Hope, Elizabeth Taylor, Marvin Hamlisch	Reagan’s birthdays often blended Hollywood and politics; Sinatra led a 1981 celebration gala.
George H. W. Bush	1989	Washington Hilton	Lee Greenwood, The Oak Ridge Boys	Country and patriotic music were staples of Bush’s events.
Bill Clinton	1993–2000	White House	Elton John, Stevie Wonder, Aretha Franklin, Fleetwood Mac	Clinton’s birthday and inaugural events often merged; music was a key part of the celebrations.
Hillary Clinton	1997	White House	Sheryl Crow, Billy Joel	Clinton’s 50th featured pop and soft-rock favorites.
George W. Bush	2004	Crawford Ranch & D.C. fundraisers	Brooks & Dunn, Lee Ann Womack, Michael W. Smith	Low-key White House celebrations but large country-music-filled fundraisers.
Barack Obama	2011, 2016	White House	Stevie Wonder, Usher, Jennifer Hudson, John Legend, Beyoncé, Jay-Z	55th birthday party in 2016 included a star-studded lineup and “Happy Birthday” tributes.
Michelle Obama	2014	White House	Beyoncé, Stevie Wonder, John Legend, Ledisi, DJ Cassidy	Lavish 50th birthday bash; private concert and dance party in the East Room.

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It’s still just as stupid and Idiocracy-esque but at least now it’s only honoring our dumb Idiocracy president and not the rest of the country on the Fourth.

o_mlly said:

I think you misunderstand the bandwagon fallacy. The post did not claim that many agree, rather that all agree.

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Even if the claim was that all agree, it would be factually incorrect on top of a bandwagon fallacy. Specifically, regarding rape, there are cultures who believe that marital rape and some statutory rape are not only acceptable, but morally good. Therefore, I think a more productive avenue for discussion is to shift to an ethical discussion as to why rape is wrong. If you keep asking the "why" questions, you will ultimately find that atheists cannot justify the reason and find that their godless world is one of pitiless indifference where they must find reasons to maintain their happy nihilism.

Aristarkos said:

Not the same mystery, I already explained that. There are many mysterys in Scripture. In Eph. Paul talks about the mystery of Christ and the great mystery. So here we already have three that are not the same.

Aristarkos

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And I looked at , about 12. verse with. the word MYSTERY. //. MUSTERION. and 1 were in the SINGULAR WITH NO S on 11 of. the MYSTERY.

and that means their ONLY ONLY ONE MYSTERY. !!

Please show where you found just ONE called MYSTERYS with and S. ?? ''

Can you EXPLAIN 1. Cor 13:2. and I. am AGOG. ??

dan p

BPPLEE said:

They don’t have the support of the mayor who is issuing the orders to the police chief

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They don’t seem to have the support of most anyone in the country. ICE is nearly a totally rogue agency at this point.

ThatRobGuy said:

Does that make it better or worse in your estimation?

I couldn't tell if people were upset about the fact that it was UFC, or the fact that an entertainment event was being done for the USA's 250th Birthday on a national holiday.


As far as an entertainment event being put on for a birthday celebration for a White House resident, there actually is some precedent for that.

If you include elaborate B-day celebrations for presidents that became entertainment spectacles (both in and out of the white house property), that's a noteworthy list

President / First Lady	Year	Venue	Performers / Celebrities	Notes
John F. Kennedy	1962	Madison Square Garden, NY	Marilyn Monroe, Ella Fitzgerald, Maria Callas, Diahann Carroll	The legendary “Happy Birthday, Mr. President” performance; fundraiser attended by 15,000.
Lyndon B. Johnson	1966	White House	Andy Williams, Pearl Bailey, Julie Andrews	LBJ’s birthday events often featured major stars; this one marked his 58th.
Ronald Reagan	1981–1988	White House & private venues	Frank Sinatra, Dean Martin, Bob Hope, Elizabeth Taylor, Marvin Hamlisch	Reagan’s birthdays often blended Hollywood and politics; Sinatra led a 1981 celebration gala.
George H. W. Bush	1989	Washington Hilton	Lee Greenwood, The Oak Ridge Boys	Country and patriotic music were staples of Bush’s events.
Bill Clinton	1993–2000	White House	Elton John, Stevie Wonder, Aretha Franklin, Fleetwood Mac	Clinton’s birthday and inaugural events often merged; music was a key part of the celebrations.
Hillary Clinton	1997	White House	Sheryl Crow, Billy Joel	Clinton’s 50th featured pop and soft-rock favorites.
George W. Bush	2004	Crawford Ranch & D.C. fundraisers	Brooks & Dunn, Lee Ann Womack, Michael W. Smith	Low-key White House celebrations but large country-music-filled fundraisers.
Barack Obama	2011, 2016	White House	Stevie Wonder, Usher, Jennifer Hudson, John Legend, Beyoncé, Jay-Z	55th birthday party in 2016 included a star-studded lineup and “Happy Birthday” tributes.
Michelle Obama	2014	White House	Beyoncé, Stevie Wonder, John Legend, Ledisi, DJ Cassidy	Lavish 50th birthday bash; private concert and dance party in the East Room.

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lol, "entertainment spectacle" is doing a bit of work there, eh? I don't think anybody would complain about entertainment. I like MMA, but there's a bit of a difference between Stevie Wonder or John Legend, and a bunch of dudes beating each other silly.