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keras · 2025-11-08T01:19:28-0600

Douggg said:
Christians were never the northern kingdom. The northern kingdom went into Assyrian captivity, because they had gotten into idol worship.

Matthew 15:24 is the clincher. Jesus came to save the House of Israel.....
He is from the House of Judah and He did preach to the Jews, But only a few accepted Him. It was them, the Apostles, who made Jesus' mission successful and we Christians are now the Israelites of God.
Nowhere in the Bible can be found a general Jewish redemption. Their fate is Prophesied in the OP - their houses will be given to others.
Others; must be Gods peoples, who are the faithful Christians mainly those with Caucasian/ Israel ancestry.

Douggg said:
Ezekiel 37:15-28 proves your theory of a solar flare wipeout of current Israel and a replacement nation of Christians called Beulah in error.

Enough Jews will survive to fulfil Eze 37. Mostly those now living in other countries now, who have become Christians.
Saying there will be no Beulah, is a direct rejection of Isaiah 62:1-5

Dan1988 · 2025-11-08T01:15:03-0600

fhansen said:
No, that's Scripture. I didn't write those passages.

No, that's what we can do with God now, by the power of the indwelling Holy Spirit.

"With man this is impossible, but with God all things are possible." Matt 19:26.

"I can do all things through Him who strengthens me." Phil 4:13

No, that's your interpretation of scripture. You read them through your denominational lens.

No, that's what God can do with us now. You can't do anything, unless God gives it to you.

Dan1988 · 2025-11-08T01:09:05-0600

BNR32FAN said:
No you’re completed wrong about that, there are more than just two “camps” of Christianity. You obviously don’t know much about church history. There were three major denominations before the reformation. The Roman Catholics, The Eastern Orthodox Church, and the Oriental Orthodox Church.

No, you misinterpreted what I clearly stated. I never claimed that there were only two "camps of Christianity". I simply said there are two opposing interpretations of the gospel.

All of the 49,000 Christian Denominations hold to one of these two interpretations.

There's a big problem with those three Denominations your refer to, "Roman Catholic", "Eastern Orthodox" and "Oriental Orthodoxy", all departed from the truth and formed their man made religions.

Here's what Gods Word reveals about your Denominations >>>>>

1 John 2:19, which reads: "They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would have continued with us; but they went out that they might be made manifest, that none of them were of us"

Your promoting this idea that the Body of Christ is divided into vehemently opposing Denominations, which teach mans wisdom, instead of Gods truth. God never intended His people to be enemies who kill each other, as we know happened when the Vatican declared war on Protestants and tens of thousands were butchered to death in the name of Christ.

I don't know why you support denominations which justify violence against their brothers in Christ. There is only One true Church, not 49,000 radically opposed denominations.

Dan1988 · 2025-11-08T00:49:35-0600

BNR32FAN said:
I believe that we are saved by grace thru faith and that God has given us the ability to believe the gospel which is why Jesus told His apostles to preach it to all nations.

Who are you referring to, when you say "God has given "us" the ability to believe the gospel. I assume your version of "us" includes the likes of, Judas Iscariot, Joseph Stalin, Pol Pot, Adolf Hitler & Co. Your in good company there.

Now for the Bible truth, the "us" in the Bible, means the elect of God. I can see you looking for verse to refute the Bible doctrine of "predestination to salvation". Good luck fining the non existent verses

timothyu · 2025-11-08T00:48:01-0600

bob121 said:
So what keeps you from trying somewhere new,

Seeking God is something new all the time.. it never ends as insight becomes purpose

Bradskii · 2025-11-08T00:46:48-0600

Valletta said:
Democrats again are making an outrageous demand. Let them give 35 billion dollars to the insurance companies from their own pockets instead of from the pockets of working taxpayers. They need to pass the continuing resolution and start working with President Trump and the GOP to lower health care costs.

Oh, yeah. Trump had a plan, didn't he? Remind us what that was. If you can't, then explain why the Democrats would trust someone who lies as a matter of course. Trump's polling will fall yet again because all the people who rely on the Affordable Care Act now know what he thinks of them. As does anyone else who is concerned about health in the US.

And you have the nerve to say that all the Dems need to do is back down now and everything will be raindrops and roses and whiskers on kittens? Please...don't treat me, or the US public like idiots.

The longer this drags on, with Trump gratuitously handing out food cards to millionaires and billionaires in his gilded palace while people are literally going hungry on the outside, the deeper into the toilet will head his polling figures. How low can they go? Well...you are about to find out.

David Lamb · 2025-11-08T00:46:00-0600

Apple Sky said:
Half the population don't study the Bible, I wonder, how would they read this verse ?

It's important to remember that the word of God did not have chapters and verses to start with. Chapters were added in about 1227, and verses in the 1550s. They were added for convenience of finding our way around the bible. Verses do need to be taken in their context, and here, the context is the coming of the dawn.

Apple Sky · 2025-11-08T00:45:49-0600

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Dan1988 · 2025-11-08T00:40:13-0600

BNR32FAN said:
No in reality your Bible actually says both, unless you have some sort of Bible version that has the pages ripped out that contain the passages that specifically state that we must abide in Christ and endure to the end in order to be saved. Why are you pretending that those passages are not in your bible? This is what I’ve been talking about, you’re completely ignoring those passages as if they have value at all. You’re not incorporating that information into your theology which is why your theology doesn’t align with all scripture.

You're still going on about these non existent verses. I'm starting to wonder what your purpose is in playing this silly game.

David Lamb · 2025-11-08T00:37:46-0600

Apple Sky said:
The earth takes shape like clay under a seal; its features stand out like those of a garment. Job 38:14

It couldn't be more clearer.

But the earth is not likened to a seal, but to the clay (like our sealing wax) under a seal. The verses tells us that the earth takes its shape (in the context, its contours, mountains and valleys etc.) as clay does when a seal is used on it. As someone pointed out, the context is the coming of dawn. As the light of dawn comes, the contours of the earth can be seen; they take on form. The verse is not saying that the earth is a flat disc, or that it becomes a flat disc with the coming of dawn. Verses must be taken in context.

Reluctant Theologian · 2025-11-08T00:37:24-0600

Clare73 said:
Faith in the promise (Ge 15:5-6, Seed, Jesus Christ, Gal 3:16) was reckoned by God as salvific.

Read Moses' speeches in Deuteronomy - that's the outline of what was considered Life or Death for the believer in TNK/OT times. You should not read the TNK/OT through the lens of the NT, it's the other way around. The average God-fearing Israelite didn't know about Yeshua as the Messiah yet - faith in Him had not been defined yet as the key criterion for Life in Deuteronomy (or the Torah in general).

Dan1988 · 2025-11-08T00:36:51-0600

BNR32FAN said:
Finally you admit that God doesn’t want them to rebel against Him. That’s all I’ve been trying to get you to acknowledge this whole time. Now that we’ve finally established that let’s go back to your post about God’s will.

So you’re saying that we cannot act against God’s will. So why does God grieve about the disobedience of man if He has willed their disobedience and they are incapable of acting against His will?

I have never claimed that we cannot act against Gods will. Quoting a verse which confirms that Godswill will be done, on earth as it is in heaven, doesn't mean that God created people to be evil and wicked.

Man was created good, and God was pleased with him. But man rebelled against God and chose to serve Satan instead. God is not the Autor of evil, I have already mentioned that a few times to you but you're still having difficulty accepting the fact.

If God allows sinners to sin for a time, it doesn't mean He created them to sin. It just means that He is fattening them up for the day of slaughter, so His will be done when He shows His wrath and hatred of sinners, while they are tormented in hell fire for all eternity.

Apple Sky · 2025-11-08T00:29:29-0600

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stevevw · 2025-11-08T00:29:18-0600

BCP1928 said:
Are you going to start dragging that "science is atheistic" crap in here again? It stinks.

No. science itself as an enterprise is designed to only measure the material world that is quantified in physical and naturalistic processes. This has nothing to do with atheism. Christians can be scientists.

The difference is they know its limitations when it comes to other aspects of reality that may not fall into the scientific paradigm.
In fact even within science there are conflicts about which paradigm is correct.

Look at say behaviour sciences where it use to be that all behaviour was conditions on the physical environment and conditioning. Thenm we discovered the Mind and psychology. Another aspect of reality different to the physical processes and not necessarily the result there of. In fact said to be the actual driver of the physical as well.

Now take this to the spiritual which is also a well acknowledged aspect of human behaviour. In fact a vital component that brings the higher ordered states of being that can bring new knowledge and experiences that the physical cannot bring.

Heres the point. Its when those who use science to refute these aspects is when it steps beyond just the science method to a belief. A metaphysical belief that the only way we can know reality is by the physical and naturalistic.

So when someone demands peer review from a hard sciences journal on this aspect they are in fact pushing a dogmatic belief that this is the only way we can know reality.

By the way, where did I bring in that science equals atheism. I usually speak in terms of epistemics. How we know reality. The different methods we use to measure reality. That no method has the complete picture.

Science is good at measuring the quantifiable aspects. A description or explanation and not anything about the actual nature of fundemental reality. But is this all there is to reality. Is there not non material aspects.

Even the so called epiphenomena is a sort of magic idea that the physical can pop out some unquantifiable aspect of reality like a genie in a bottle. That actually alters reality itself as a force. Without any evidence or explanation. Thats sound just as much a belief as in God.

David Lamb · 2025-11-08T00:28:02-0600

Apple Sky said:
Job doesn't describe the earth as round, he describes it as a seal which is round.

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No, Job says that the earth is like clay under a seal, not the seal itself. When we think of using a seal, we tend to think of something that makes an impression in wax, but it seems that back then they used clay. The verse does not tell us what shape the lump of clay was:

“It takes on form like clay under a seal, And stands out like a garment.” (Job 38:14 NKJV)

stevevw · 2025-11-08T00:20:34-0600

High Fidelity said:
It's easier to hate ICE than holding people accountable for their actions. That's what it boils down to. The same people that do this also excused the BLM riots as a valid formula of protest.

Chronic lack and absolving of accountability and repercussions for wrongdoing.

Ok so do you think even underneath this generalisation there is something else along the lines a philosophical or ideological difference. Maybe even a spiritual or transcedent difference metaphysically that is foundational.

For example morality in general. Obviously we have religion and Christain values. So what is the alternative belief that fills this void. What is it based on that drives some to protest and demand that society and the world conform to a certain order of society and the world.

Dan1988 · 2025-11-08T00:18:37-0600

BNR32FAN said:
Oh and for the record I’ve never in my entire life denied salvation by grace because in order to do that I would have to deny our need for Christ’s atonement.

Oh', just for the record you have denied that salvation is by grace. When I quoted the verse which confirms that salvation is by grace, you rejected it and falsely claimed that salvation is by "your faith" instead. That was a direct rejection of Gods Word.

You're welcome to go back and see yourself contradicting yourself. Just scroll back and you will find it

A2SG · 2025-11-08T00:16:24-0600

Valletta said:
Democrats again are making an outrageous demand. Let them give 35 billion dollars to the insurance companies from their own pockets instead of from the pockets of working taxpayers. They need to pass the continuing resolution and start working with President Trump and the GOP to lower health care costs.

Because Trump and the GOP have been so willing to do that up to this point, I guess.

-- A2SG, what color is the sky in your world?

JSRG · 2025-11-08T00:13:43-0600

chevyontheriver said:
The boundaries of districts are a state responsibility. The only requirement is that more or less the same number of people is in each district. So there is no Federal government control of district boundaries. But do you think that would automagically fix anything?

Actually, the Federal government does have the ability to take control of district boundaries. As the Constitution itself says:

The Times, Places and Manner of holding Elections for Senators and Representatives, shall be prescribed in each State by the Legislature thereof; but the Congress may at any time by Law make or alter such Regulations, except as to the Places of chusing Senators.

And Congress has indeed done so; see, for example, the Uniform Congressional District Act from 1967, which gives a bunch of requirements for states choosing districts. So the federal government does have the ability to take control of district boundaries and has on various occasions passed laws giving requirements for them.

Now, your post was from 2 months ago (this topic recently got bumped), but I do not believe anyone previously commented on this point, so I thought I should.

bob121 · 2025-11-08T00:13:20-0600

timothyu said:
Once the unwashed realize that that day is representative of a counter-culture to the world of man and elohim alike, its purpose will be served as they will no longer set aside one day for 'gathering', but apply it to all seven. Its not about church but about living in the ways of the Kingdom contrary to the adversarial ways of man and elohim. Remember, even today in an effort to sustain themselves and keep the flock under their thumb seeking nourishment rather than being nourishers...

Matthre 23: 13 Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You shut the kingdom of heaven in men's faces. You yourselves do not enter, nor will you let in those who wish to enter.

Brother, totally get it-the church shouldn't be a stage or a culture club. I've hunted for years, too, and finally found a little reformed spot here in Japan where no one's putting on a show. Just solid preaching, real psalms, and hearts actually opening-not to relevance, but to heaven. You're right to want that. So what keeps you from trying somewhere new, if you're ever up for it?

Dan1988 · 2025-11-08T00:11:41-0600

BNR32FAN said:
I’m really struggling to understand how anyone could possibly come to the conclusion that when I quote scripture to refute your INTERPRETATION of scripture that somehow equates to me implying that the passages that I’m quoting contradict the passages that you’re quoting. Obviously all scripture is from God and has no contradictions. So you’re telling me that you had no idea this whole time that I was refuting your interpretation of the passages you’re quoting? Because if that’s the case then we have a pretty big problem here. The way I see it there’s only two ways someone could possibly come to that conclusion, either mental inability or intentional deceitfulness. Personally from what I’ve seen in your posts I don’t think it’s mental inability, your posts just don’t seem to reflect mental inability. No what you’re doing here is just another false accusation just like you’ve done countless times in this discussion where you accuse me of the most absurd accusation possible in an attempt to discredit me thru deception. That’s what I keep seeing over and over and over again. When you interpret scripture your interpretation must align with ALL SCRIPTURE otherwise it is flawed. That’s the whole purpose of me quoting scripture, to display the information given in other passages that your interpretation isn’t taking into account.

Why can't you accept what God has said. I have quoted simple verses, which are straight forward and clear. But you reject them and make up your own (unbiblical) doctrines, in an attempt to evade exposure.

I'm not talking about a one off, failure to understand a verse. It seems that you have rejected every single verse, which I have ever referred to. Instead of explaining why you reject the verses, you simply appeal to unrelated verses, which seem to support your views, when they are taken out of their intended context.

Reluctant Theologian · 2025-11-08T00:10:30-0600

Daniel Marsh said:
It is a great verse to use with Latter day saints because they think they will become a god.

Maybe, but although the LDS position may sound heretic initially (and I'm not affiliated with them in any way) - the Christian church has from early on expressed views that are quite close to that. It's very similar to the Theosis concept from the Orthodox Church - in a believer progressing sanctification leads to divinisation. This has been expressed explicitly even by Athanasius - a key theologian in the formulation of the Nicene Creed (325 AD) and later theological developments:

God became man so that man might become god. (Athanasius, On the Incarnation - s. 54)

That sounds unfamiliar and even scary for a founding father of the Trinity doctrine isn't it?

And there are Bible verses backing up that view:

2 Peter 1:3–4
...that by these you may become partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.

John 17:21–23
Yeshua: 'that they may be one, just as You, Father, are in Me and I in You, that they also may be in Us.'

Romans 8:29
'For those whom He foreknew He also predestined to be conformed to the image of His Son.'

1 Corinthians 15:28
When all things are subjected to Him, then the Son Himself will also be subjected to Him who put all things under Him, that God may be all in all.

1 John 3:2
We shall be like Him, because we shall see Him as He is.

Similar views have been expressed by Irenaeus of Lyon, Clement of Alexandria and Gregory of Nazianzus (all of which we still have literature).

And let's not forget that even Yeshua quotes Psalm 82:6 in John 10:34-36, confirming that Psalm refers to human beings to as 'el (Hebrew) / god'. I.e. the Hebrew or Greek word 'el' / 'theos' could refer to other entities beside the One (YHWH). We never hear sermons on this verse, but Yeshua's citation of the Psalm is unambiguous in its meaning and application.

PS - this post is not to be taken as an endorsement of the LDS at all

bob121 · 2025-11-08T00:07:40-0600

BNR32FAN said:
I honor and praise God everyday no matter where I am. And I converse with other brothers & sisters here on a regular basis. I just haven’t found a church that holds my same theology and I often feel pressured by church members to do things I don’t want to do. For example, all the husbands got together and thought it would be a great idea if we all got on stage and sang a song for our wives on Mother’s Day. I’m not a singer. I’ll sing with the congregation in service but I don’t want to get on stage and sing because I have a terrible singing voice and I know it. And all the other husbands were like oh don’t you want to do something nice for your wife on Mother’s Day to show her how much she means to you? As if implying that singing on stage is my only means of accomplishing that. So this isn’t what made me stop going it was a lot of situations like this that made me lose interest. The old if you don’t do it this way then you’re not honoring God or your wife or your family or whatever. I don’t need someone to tell me how to honor God and my family, I can do it just fine on my own. Don’t get me wrong these are really great people and I have absolutely no doubt that the Holy Spirit is at work in them everyday and I do love them they’ve been great friends but they do get pushy sometimes and I choose not to deal with it anymore even tho I do miss them sometimes.

Brother BNR32FAN,

Grace and peace to you in Christ. Thank you for sharing your heart so openly—your story rings true to many who have felt the same squeeze between genuine love for the brethren and the burden of man-made expectations.

I hear you: daily praise to God wherever you are, rich fellowship here online, and a clear conscience about honoring Him and your family on your terms, not the stage’s. That Mother’s Day pressure—singing when you know your voice isn’t for solos—became a symbol of something deeper: “If you don’t do it our way, you’re not honoring God.” That’s a heavy yoke Christ never laid on us (Matt 11:30).

Here’s the gentle question I’m wrestling with myself: Is there a way to keep the baby (the true fellowship) without swallowing the bathwater (the extra-biblical demands)? I’ve walked a long road through several churches before landing in one where the Word is simply opened, Christ is lifted in song, and no one scripts my worship. It’s rare, but it exists.

What would a church have to look like for you to walk back through the doors without that old weight on your shoulders? P.S. My voice is like a flat tire too-God must love a little hiss and wheeze in worship. Good thing He hears hearts, not notes. God is good!

Fervent · 2025-11-08T00:05:28-0600

9Rock9 said:
Ah. That's pretty much what I think.

Inspiring Philosophy thinks Adam and Eve were basically priests, and the Eden was the holiest of holies. Thus, Adam had a special connection to God that the rest of humanity didn't have.

This, in a way, parallel Jesus, as he is referred to as the New Adam, is the representative of humanity, and is also a high priest.

A lot of it depends on how seriously you take text criticism...especially since current scholarly consensus is that a good chunk of the OT was written around 450-350 BC or at least it was redacted into its present form around that time. Now, I'm not saying they're correct but if one takes such criticism seriously then the apologetic function of the OT comes out quite clearly where it was stitched together to explain why God would allow His chosen nation to go into captivity. We can speculate about the Divine intent in all of this, but the composition of the Bible as a communal work weaving together oral traditions makes it likely that we're not dealing with scientific histories.

stevevw · 2025-11-08T00:00:04-0600

Stopped_lurking said:
There have been indigenous peoples living relatively undisturbed into the 20th century. Can you be more precise what you mean about indigenous knowledge, who could do what?

If ancients and Indigenous peoples claim their knowledge is being lost. Then what sort of knowledge is being lost. This testimony is speaking about their own cultural history of knowledge being lost. So something was lost. They say its great knowledge about the world that material science cannot know. In fact they say material western sciences have destroyed this knowledge.

So unless you think this knowledge is nothing, is superstition and make belief and is really nothing relevant or real to understanding the world we already have evidence in testimony.

It may also be that like knowledge was lost in the past todays indigneous peoples are mostly devoid of that knowledge with the modern world creeping in. Or just existing within a modern world that is harder to maintain knowledge.

Any examples left in the world may have already lost most of that knowledge or its practiced in small examples. Or that because the world around them is not longer like their own world they are gradually reduced to small groups who will lose their knowledge as time goes by as they are now living within a world that is different and dominating.

I know of some Aboriginals who still practice some of their ancient knowledge and are regarded as more advanced ways than science as far as nature and the environment is concerned.

Ancient knowledge is lost when a species disappears. It’s time to let Indigenous people care for their country, their way

Ancient knowledge is lost when a species disappears. It’s time to let Indigenous people care for their country, their way

Rather than sitting in the back seat, Indigenous Australians must be up front in managing the recovery of Australia’s unique and precious environment.

theconversation.com

What We Lose When We Lose Indigenous Knowledge
By mistaking a culture’s history for fantasy, or by disrespecting the wealth of Indigenous knowledge, we’re keeping up a Columbian, colonial tradition.

What We Lose When We Lose Indigenous Knowledge - JSTOR Daily

By mistaking a culture’s history for fantasy, or by disrespecting the wealth of Indigenous knowledge, we’re keeping up a Columbian, colonial tradition.

daily.jstor.org

Evidence of traditional knowledge loss among a contemporary indigenous society

Evidence of traditional knowledge loss among a contemporary indigenous society - PMC

As biological and linguistic diversity, the world’s cultural diversity is on decline. However, to date there are no estimates of the rate at which the specific cultural traits of a group disappear, mainly because we lack empirical data to assess how ...

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

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