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Strong in Him · 2025-12-12T10:50:56-0600

Apple Sky said:
It depends who they are.

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One notable leader of NASA who was a Freemason was
James E. Webb, who served as the agency's second Administrator. Several other prominent figures in NASA's history, primarily astronauts, were also Masons.

Who cares?

i) you've already shown that you're happy to quote Freemasons when it suits you
ii) someone's beliefs has nothing to do with whether they did something, or not - in this case, get in a space rocket, fly to the moon, walk on the moon, return to earth. Either they did these things and they can be proved, or they didn't. In the same way that being a Flat Earther has any relevance to whether or not you live in Wales. You're wrong about the shape of the earth - your beliefs - it doesn't make you wrong about everything else as well.

Nithavela · 2025-12-12T10:49:03-0600

Everything I don't like is woke.

I don't like everything my political opponent does.

fhansen · 2025-12-12T10:45:40-0600

Mercy Shown said:
So the Christian question becomes simpler and more faithful: Where do I see real, biblical injustice—and what can I personally do for the person in front of me? When we discern a genuine wrong, our call is to act in love, quietly and sacrificially, just as Jesus taught. “Whatever you wished others would do to you, do also to them” (Matthew 7:12). And we do it without fanfare, because our Father “who sees in secret will reward you” (Matthew 6:4).

The only thing I'd add is that, in order to really get the things done that justice and love demand, people with those personal objectives must often join together, in a social context and united effort IOW. And with no grandstanding required or desired.

CLEEB · 2025-12-12T10:44:56-0600

No.

ARBITER01 said:
If you look at Acts 2, the 120 had the same thing happen that happened to Cornelius's household, they were born again then immediately filled with The Spirit. Cornelius's house was water immersed afterwards.

The process in scripture is as follows: repentance, immersion into The Holy Spirit where He applies the blood of Jesus to be born anew spiritually, water immersion in the name of Jesus, the Corneliusfiling of The Holy Spirit, and then one that many never reach for, the Spiritual anointing upon our head, ie the crown of life from The Father.

The 120 were baptized during Christs ministry. Jesus’s disciples baptized people, they baptized even more than John the Baptist. There is no other occasion where what happened with Cornelius ever happened again. Baptism was the practice of the Apostles. If you check scriptures for the word baptism or baptized or something similar you will see that it was indeed part of becoming a Christian.

Strong in Him · 2025-12-12T10:43:23-0600

Apple Sky said:
33 degree Freemasons, certain bloodlines, secret society members etc etc etc ............
You be suprised who is related to who through their blood.

So would you.

You're talking absolute nonsense.

PloverWing · 2025-12-12T10:42:45-0600

BPPLEE said:
They have a rating system like you describe but it doesn't include warnings for LGBTQ content

I'd support adding a note about LGBTQ content to the rating system, and then viewers could make more informed choices.

Hentenza · 2025-12-12T10:38:36-0600

Studyman said:
The RCC itself "Claims" to have re-written the commandment through the Authority they claim was given to them by the Lord's Christ, to change God's Sabbath as was defined in the Holy Scriptures as being the 7th Day of the week, Saturday as described at creation which the Commandment of God Himself referenced, to the first day of the week, Sunday, the Catholic sabbath.

This is the issue EGW had as defined in the very website you posted.

EGW disregards clear patristics evidence showing that the early church gathered on Sunday not Saturday. This evidence proceeds Constantine.

Studyman said:
EGW didn't teach that men who worshipped God on Sunday were of the devil. Your post taught that, but EGW didn't.

From EGW’s own writings that I posted in my OP.

There are true Christians in every church, not excepting the Roman Catholic communion. None are condemned until they have had the light and have seen the obligation of the fourth commandment. But when the decree shall go forth enforcing the counterfeit sabbath, and the loud cry of the third angel shall warn men against the worship of the beast and his image, the line will be clearly drawn between the false and the true. Then those who still continue in transgression will receive the mark of the beast. Ev 234.2

Here it is clear that those that do not change, repent, and keep the sabbath will receive the mark of the beast. This is not just addressed to the RCC but to anyone that does not keep the sabbath.

Studyman said:
It was never about what days of the week to worship God, as EGW, Wesley, Calvin, and all reformers promoted worship of God every day of the week. I was always about God's sabbath VS, the RCC Sabbath, 7th day vs. 1st day.

EGW is about the 7th vs the 1st. But she takes it several steps further by claiming that the forth commandment is a moral commandment and those that do not keep it are sinning.

Studyman said:
If you can find in the website you posted where EGW says worshipping God on Sunday makes a man receive the mark of the beast, please show me.

Already did. Open the link in the OP.

Studyman said:
I know Jesus obeyed God's commandments, and worshipped God every day, even Sunday.

Yes. And He was the only one that was able to keep the commandments (and the whole law) perfectly.

Studyman said:
I find no evidence that EGW taught Jesus was of the devil, for worshipping God on Sunday. But I could be wrong, so if you can find such a teaching, please provide it.

Strawman. No one has argued that Jesus was of the devil. I really think that you are not understanding the actual argument.

Studyman said:
And if you can't, then shouldn't you clarify your teaching here?

I’m not teaching. I’m arguing the words of Ellen White which is the topic of this thread.

Secondly, do not ever change my post by adding your own commentary. This is against the site rules. I did not post the following:

Hentenza said:
1.Gods (Ten Commandments including the) 4th commandment was given (BY GOD) to Israel during Moses time (15th century BCE) and (God Inspired) Moses ~~wrote~~ to write the 5 books of the Torah which includes the 10 commandments.

The parenthetical text, your crossing of words, and underlining of words do not appear in my original post therefore are not my words and change the meaning and context of my post You are back to attempting to show things that I did not say. I gave you a chance but you obviously are not getting it. Learn posting etiquette.

CLEEB · 2025-12-12T10:37:56-0600

ARBITER01 said:
If you look at Acts 2, the 120 had the same thing happen that happened to Cornelius's household, they were born again then immediately filled with The Spirit. Cornelius's house was water immersed afterwards.

The process in scripture is as follows: repentance, immersion into The Holy Spirit where He applies the blood of Jesus to be born anew spiritually, water immersion in the name of Jesus, the filing of The Holy Spirit, and then one that many never reach for, the Spiritual anointing upon our head, ie the crown of life from The Father.

The point being that water, as Peter said was not forbidden. This was the only exception in all of scripture because it was to show Peter that GOD was offering the Gentiles salvation. That was the reason the Holy Spirit was given before baptism.

BCP1928 · 2025-12-12T10:35:32-0600

comana said:
The reasonable approach would be to not allow new applications from a certain date forward. For someone who is already vetted and approved it is just cruel and punishment for being born in the “wrong“ country.

If we want to encourage immigrants to do things the right way, we don’t succeed if we deny them at the last step without cause.

I don't think there is a "right way" for MAGA. The policy seems to be that anyone who wasn't born here of citizen parents is somehow a contamination of "American values" whether they are legal or not, law abiding or not.

Unqualified · 2025-12-12T10:30:27-0600

snow building up, icy roads.

Belk · 2025-12-12T10:29:21-0600

ThatRobGuy said:
It's not just this case though, we've seen numerous erosions in the past decade or two.

We've seen things from the right like:
The storming of the capitol building due to not liking election outcomes
Red county sheriffs brazenly saying they're not going to enforce new gun laws passed in blue states (Oregon)
Sketchy redistricting plans to carve out fresh seats (which then sparked a tit-for-tat battle with Cali)

We've seen things from the left like:
Prosecutors using "discretion" to preemptively announce their refusal to prosecute cases for new abortion laws they don't like. (Florida)
Juries letting people off the hook (in this case... and there was another case where they let some dude off the hook for stabbing another guy, because the victim used a racial slur after he got stabbed)
The administrative bureaucracy in various federal agencies reaching out to their old bosses to see if there's ways they can obstruct the president's agenda. (WaPo even covered that one, where federal employees were reaching out to their old Obama-era bosses for advice on how to impede Trump's initiatives in his first term)

And both teams have engaged in forum shopping for friendly district courts so that a single judge can halt initiatives in a sweeping fashion when the other team wins...as well as labelling the other "a existential threat to democracy".

We're no longer in an environment where everyone is cool with the "you win some, you lose some...take your lumps and try again in 4 years"

Now it's much more of a
"When we win, we should be able to do whatever we want and foist our positions on everyone with no limits"
"And when we lose, we'll find any shifty way we can to make sure we can do what we want anyway"

For all of the "Democracy is sacred" talk we hear from people, many don't actually believe it. It's "sacred" when they win. When they lose, they look for any way to obstruct and pull any lever they can to avoid the consequences of democracy.

Fair, those are valid concerns, but it is not a new phenomenon. It is also not proof against the safeguards we have built into our judicial system. The bigger item of concern to my mind is the increasingly limited jury pool as citizens attempt to bypass the process in order to not participate. I think the idea that we have somehow reached a critical mass where jury nullification will be the norm or even prevalent is a valid conclusion.

ViaCrucis · 2025-12-12T10:29:18-0600

The day Jesus rose from the dead is greater and more holy than any other day. Period. It's not just a day, it's THE DAY. If someone wants to have a problem with that, then take it up with the King of the Universe, because it's His Day.

samaus123456789 · 2025-12-12T10:28:29-0600

Something else interesting from one of those texts

The former scribes, however, could not find a good lineage for the Virgin and her father, or kindred; wherefore did the Jews crucify Christ, and taunt Him, and mock Him, and say to Him, " Show us the fathers of Mary the Virgin and her people, and what is her genealogy.'* Therefore did they blaspheme her and Christ. But henceforth shall the mouth of those unbelieving Jews be closed ; and they shall know that Mary is of the seed of David the king, and of that of the patriarch Abraham.

In gospel of Nicodemus the OT Judeans are accusing Jesus of being born of fornication also, and then later on the talmud says the same.

rjs330 · 2025-12-12T10:28:12-0600

Larniavc said:
It

doesn’t though.

Your argument isn't with me. Its with the poster I was responding to.

rjs330 · 2025-12-12T10:26:26-0600

ViaCrucis said:
Irish Need Not Apply

We Americans decide what is American just like the Irish get to decide what is Irish or the French get decide what is French. Not sure what you don’t understand about that.

wing2000 · 2025-12-12T10:23:11-0600

...more shenanigans from the "Justice" dept early today:

A federal judge on Friday barred U.S. immigration authorities from re-detaining Kilmar Abrego García, acting on fears raised by his lawyers that officials intended to take him into custody just hours after he was ordered released.

....

Xinis’s Thursday ruling hinged on the fact that at no point in Abrego’s immigration proceedings — from 2019 to today — had there ever been a final deportation order entered in his case.

Hours after that ruling, an immigration judge entered such a deportation order, and ICE officials notified Abrego he was required to check in at a Baltimore field office Friday morning.

“The Government chose to pursue this path only after losing … and only through a process that denied [Abrego] any opportunity to be heard,” his attorneys wrote in a court filing early Friday morning.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/immigration/2025/12/12/kilmar-abrego-garcia-ice-baltimore-judge/

Jan001 · 2025-12-12T10:20:46-0600

CLEEB said:
Jeremiah 3:3 KJV A harlots forehead, Revelation 17:5 I am thinking that the worlds churches will be led by the man of sin into Judaizing, basically denying Christ. They already see Israel as GODS only chosen people and some go as far as using things out of the law to increase church revenue, tithes and offerings. With this mindset already in place it would not be difficult for the false prophet to deceive them by calling fire down from heaven to burn the sacrifices at the temple.

I agree that Judaizers will always be among us.

I think the final false prophet will be the leader of the counterfeit worldwide "Christian" church, claiming to be Christian but denying Jesus Christ the Lord by their works/actions. Titus 1:16

I don't think the final false prophet would have the power to actually cause fire to come down from heaven. 1 Kings 18:30-39
Perhaps he will manipulate natural elements to make it appear as if he is doing this.

BPPLEE · 2025-12-12T10:19:28-0600

PloverWing said:
Suppose Netflix (and similar streaming services) had a more detailed rating system, so instead of just an age, there was some content description, and there was a way to select/screen based on some of these descriptions. "Contains LGBTQ content." "Contains depictions of smoking." "Contains depictions of religious observance" (maybe listing which religion). "Contains teenage romance", etc. Then parents could select for or screen out topics they want their children to be able to see. Would that solution satisfy the CWA folks?

I note that the content that one family might seek out is content that another family might wish to avoid. Surely a computer program could be written to let viewers select content in this way.

They have a rating system like you describe but it doesn't include warnings for LGBTQ content

essentialsaltes · 2025-12-12T10:17:37-0600

Say it aint so said:
Yes. In the 90s when and where a second dose was recommended.

And before measles was declared 'eliminated' in the US circa 2000, because of our vaccination efforts.

Welcome back, measles!

essentialsaltes · 2025-12-12T10:16:47-0600

Say it aint so said:
What does one expect to happen when cocktail of antivaxxers and conspiracy theorists are in control?

Unfortunately, it's more of a cumulative effect of years of antivaxx propaganda. The current outbreak in SC is centered around school-age children, so it's not due to RFK Jr. suddenly convincing parents of newborns not to vaccinate this year. But a general weakening of the vaccination rate to around 90% in these SC counties, which is not quite at the threshold of herd immunity for measles (95%)

Hentenza · 2025-12-12T10:07:47-0600

SabbathBlessings said:
That's not what God said plainly

According to your interpretation and lack of historical context.

Hentenza · 2025-12-12T10:05:43-0600

HIM said:
Saying things like this doesn't help prove anything..

Sure it does . It s typical legalist hermeneutics.

HIM said:
Unbelief here is the obstinate stiff-necked type.

Saying things like this does not help prove anything.

HIM said:
The sinning comes from the evil heart of unbelief. And the more one sins the more this evil hearted obstinate condition grows. It isn't that they did not believe in God. The issue was they did not believe God because of their rebellious nature.

And yet those that hear His voice are His sheep and He will never loose them.

HIM said:
Yes. I don't think anyone has said different in respect to that verse.

Really? You might want to read the thread first.

HIM said:
No, that is not what the verse is saying. The Good News here that did not benefit them is in respect to The Good news preached to those who were being spoken of in chapter three who were hindered from entering into the promised land. The writer of Hebrews is saying they in his time have had Good News preached to them as those who were in Moses time did. But those in Moses' time did not heed because of their evil heart of unbelief. They did not believe what God said. They did not have faith in God therefore their carcasses fell in the desert because of their sin.

Partially but the main point follows in verse 8 and 9. The example of the Israelites that did not enter the rest with Joshua (not Jesus) is brought forward to the present set of believers and since this book is called Hebrews for a reason you can’t divorce the historical and linguistic context to force an interpretation.

HIM said:
Yes, the rest we have in Christ Jesus being His House. If we hold fast in confidence we will remain His house as He succours (helps) us when we are tempted. We just need to listen to His voice as we hear it. This is the Gospel. Part of it anyway.

Do you know what Justification means and the result it has on all believers? Do you know why Paul says in Rom. 8:1 that there is no condemnation for those in Christ? Have you read 1 Cor. 3 and what happens at the judgment? I’ll posit that all with saving faith will always remain in Christ.

HIM said:
Heb 2:18 For in that he himself hath suffered being tempted, he is able to succour (helps) them that are tempted.

Heb 3:6 But Christ as a son over his own house; whose house are we, if we hold fast the confidence and the rejoicing of the hope firm unto the end.
Heb 3:7 Wherefore (as the Holy Ghost saith, To day if ye will hear his voice,

Keep reading. He explains this in Hebrews 5.

HIM said:
Bad translation, the word if needs to be in the text as it is in the verse three below. Go to your Greek to English Interlinear you will see yourself.
Heb 4:3 For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world.
Heb 4:4 For he spake in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works.

That would only apply to the Masoretic text only used to translate the KJV if in fact it was translated correctly. This version is not updated and is incorrect as evidenced by their error in quoting Psalm 95:11 where the KJV omits the “not” referring to enter His rest.

Psalm 95:11 KJV
“Unto whom I sware in my wrath That they should not enter into my rest.”
‭‭Psalm‬ ‭95‬:‭11‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Psalm 95:11 (KJV) - Unto whom I sware in my wrath That | YouVersion

Unto whom I sware in my wrath That they should not enter into my rest.

bible.com

Heb. 4:3
“For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, If they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world.”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭4‬:‭3‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Hebrews 4:3 (KJV) - For we which have believed do enter | YouVersion

For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, If they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world.

bible.com

No other updated translation, including the NASB, uses the “if” and matches the Psalm quote.

HIM said:
The Rest here in verse 3 is that of the Good News, the rest we have in Christ Jesus being His house. There He helps us when we are tempted if we listen to His voice. The works of this rest were finished from the foundation of the world is what these verses are saying. This is brought out even more in verse 4 where he starts the verse with the word "for" which adds a reason to that which was previously stated. There it states that when God spake in that certain place Mt Sinia, that He said that He rested from all His works. That would include resting from the works for the rest which is the Good news of Christ Jesus. Verse 5 continues in that it says, "in this again".

You only come to this conclusion because of the KJV translation error.

HIM said:
In this again what? This brings us back to verse 4 where it says, He speaks of the Seventh Day, if we shall enter into the Rest which we have in Christ Jesus being His house listening to His voice.

Heb 4:5 And in this again, If they shall enter into my rest.

I disagree.

HIM said:
Why does he say that? Let's continue and we shall see.

Let’s not. I don’t do preachy or talk down type of talk. Let’s talk about your interpretation and translation error up to here and then continue once this is settled.

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