ARBITER01 said:

I'm not interested in an argument about it.

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Are you living in willful sin?

Apple Sky said:

This of course if the shuttle was actually in space, I believe the shuttle was a jet plane made up to look like the shuttle.

I remember watching a video about this, I will try and find it.

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Apple I not know so much about that . I’ll await your video

Jipsah said:

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I'm afraid that it doesn't work.

retired firefighter said:

I visited a local Assembly of God here in Sequoyah County Okla. last weeks mid week service and again yesterday morning , I saw no evidence of the Holy Ghost, no gifts of the Spirit

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It is unfortunate to have to travel (maybe you do) to get to meetings of Holy Spirit repute. Reportedly, both east, west and south of you are:

Choctaw Assembly of God, (Choctaw, OK) Engages in regular prayer meetings that emphasize prophetic prayer and healing services.

First Assembly of God, (North Little Rock, Arkansas) Hosts regular Sunday services with intentional space for spiritual gifts, including testimonies of healing.

Gateway Church, (Southlake, Texas) Focuses on Biblical teaching with an emphasis on the use of spiritual gifts in various ministries.''

As far as being a legitimate Pentecostal Church, that AOG district oversight hopefully still maintains that qualification.

fhansen said:

Sure, Jesus teaching two gospels now. You’ve bought into some contrived nonsense here, made up to support a novel, faulty gospel.

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There are Many that get confused here. And there are many that are not confused but can't explain it.

Gal 2:7 But contrariwise, when they saw that the gospel of the uncircumcision was committed unto me, as [the gospel] of the circumcision [was] unto Peter;


Gal 1:6 I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel:
Gal 1:7 Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ.

DamianWarS said:

Does this adversary have a free will?

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Nope. It's nothing more than robotic action. The switch will be turned off at some point and the antispiritual machinery will be shut down and tossed aside into the eternal fire junk pile

And on we will go

Yeshua HaDerekh said:

influencing humans...

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Absolutely that was and continues to be the case

There's a reason "they know not what they do."

Blinded by the god of this world. Captive slaves of an unseen adversary.

All have sin. Sin is "of the devil."

Hey!

sjastro said:

Needless to say your response has nothing to with addressing the differences between the 'superior' least square method of some part time amateur code writers over the approved ISO standard involving years (often decades) of technical development, international collaboration, and validation before approval is granted.
It simply proves the techno stuff is beyond you capability for comprehension.

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More red herrings. They are anaysing the vases in 3D for Gods sake. They speak the language all through the analysis. Are they lying. They state that this was the best way to analyse the vases.

Karoyl is even stating as he is rotating the 3D image that this was the best and most accurate way to scan the vases down to the micron level. The data is on the software right before our eyes.

How can they all be wrong. It seems the only one out of kilt with all these findings is you.

Hentenza said:

The adversary uses out of context verses to fool Christians.

Nothing personal.

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Well, at least you're managing to drag the perp into the picture.

Let me guess though. You're exempt?

So funny

JulieB67 said:

I use context in order to rightly divide the Word. Something you continue to refuse to do.

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Here's a primer on "dividing"

The good stuff is for people
The bad stuff is for devils

JulieB67 said:

What you're basically stating is that Christ wasted his time separating them into groups with the parable in Mark chapter 4.

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The separation was delineated in Mark 4:15. You know, the part where Satan SINS in everyone via theft (and apparently continues to do so as we all see only in part)

JulieB67 said:

Why didn't he just say these apply to everyone

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He did. 3 times. Cited to you how many times now? Matt. 4:4, Luke 4:4, Deut. 8:3

JulieB67 said:

if that was certainly the case?? But he didn't.

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Uh, yes it was a direct statement from God in Christ multiple times. People just have a hard time wrapping their heads around it, because, you know...

JulieB67 said:

He specifically separated them. So why don't you?

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No need to toss aside any Word of God for applicability to "me" or "you" or anyone else.

God remains firmly fixed against all devils in people, and the tempter and his own have been around for quite some time now. In fact I'd suggest some devils who abode in people when Jesus was here are still standing here, in people. See Rev. 1:7 for an example.

JulieB67 said:

We are to follow his lead. You continue to make no sense with how you are reading and comprehending the Word.

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You zoomed off the conversation course is all that happened. You might at least take the time to actually understand where someone else is coming from. I understand most positions because I've probably been there already and I listen.

I came to understand Christian Universalism because some patient people waded through the subject matter with me and I actually "studied" the positions (yes there are many variants) in order to make sure I had my own positions straight. It turned out I was kind of like you. Wrong. Still am. Because I'm a sinner and my sin is "of the devil."

Have you heard the one about God actually saving sinners? Well, there's several. You should google them some time.

JulieB67 said:

Well, you must be completely tied to the adversary

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No doubt in my mind that the tempter operates in my mind. Only one of us seems to be able to tell the truth of the matter. Pity.

JulieB67 said:

since you throw out much of the Word

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That strawman ain't cutting it. But if you need it to think you are somehow "winning" it really doesn't matter to me if you think you win nor does it matter to me what you believe. I am largely into the rile up the enemies to the Gospel business. Love to antagonize the opposition movement and ready them for their eventual spear from God, you know, just to remind them what's coming.

JulieB67 said:

in order to form your unbiblical doctrine.

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Oh, you mean the "love your neighbors part?" Got it. I think that I may one up you there since I really believe God in Christ actually is The Savior of the world who will save ALL people. My bad?

JulieB67 said:

We can't just cherry pick verses. For example, you can't just keep posting one verse of a parable and purposely omit the rest.

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I accept Jesus' Standard of Parables. There are 3 parties to every parable. God/people/devils. IF any of the 3 are missing in people's understandings, the tempter has stolen from them and their understanding is VOID.

Guess who's usually missing? Satan. Guess who they end up blaming and accusing? Only people. It's really quite entirely predictable.

JulieB67 said:

And since you refuse to see context it's pointless to continue this.

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You might figure out I might not be here to actually convince you of anything. There's other things going on that you aren't seeing yet. But you might. God Willing. I actually do hope He Leads you to love ALL your neighbors as yourself. Which is my HOPE for all believers.

prodromos said:

That is how they were trained to communicate. Calm, accurate, nothing superfluous. There is also the fact that the press conference was held weeks after they had returned. That was weeks of medical examinations and debriefing including 2 weeks isolated at Tripler Medical Center in Hawaii, just in case they brought back some bug from the moon.

No stars are visible during daylight. Michael Collins was likely preoccupied with monitoring his orbit or getting sleep when in the moon's shadow. He wasn't on a sightseeing trip.

The aluminium body of the command module was equivalent to 7mm of lead. There was absolutely no lead used in the Apollo missions.

Gamma radiation is not significant in the Van Allen belts. They are made up of charged particles, primarily electrons and protons. Neutrons are not charged particles (big hint in the name "neutron") and are not present in the Van Allen belts. The risk to the astronauts from radiation was relatively minor compared to the risk of sitting on the top of a controlled explosion, or the possibility of damage causing the loss of their oxygen.

The level of conspiracy that would be necessary to fake the moon landings if they never happened is simply too mind bogglingly stupid to take seriously for a moment. It would require agreements between enemy nations spanning decades despite ongoing conflicts. You really need to have a tenuous grip on reality to be able to believe it.

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Prodromus what you claim about the condition of the astronauts just doesn't fly . I could agree with you upon the 1st two days upon the aircraft carrier where they were hemmed up in mobile quarantine for two days But after that upon making land fall they were flown to Texas Houston for the next 22 days to enjoy recovery at the newly established lunar receiving site especially built for moon rocks and astronauts recovery, medicals recreation and quarantine it’s not as if it was a regimented full on boots camp every day . They would have been fully recovered and refreshed in those 22 days I’m not so sure if they spent the 22 days in Hawaii at tripuler medical centre but maybe more research on that Prodomus you mention no stars by daylight. That’s correct. But what of the night hours and of the dark side of the moon ? No time for fully appreciating the beauty of the universe in all its glory. Are you serious ? Not even a peek at the universe and stars out the window by Michael Collins : ) while wizzing around the dark side of the moon on its many orbits of up to 22 hours duration ? I’ll leave it at that. : ) As to the aluminium command module having no lead. The paper I read says it did but upon further reading further it does say no lead so you be right its probably referring to a substance as strong as 7 mm lead. But that in no changes the dangers to the health of the astronauts. And that being basically that they had no protection when going through the Van Allen’s. Yes not only 3 astronauts but 18 astronauts all up, from the Apollo missions passed through it . And despite all the warnings of the medical journals. All those astronauts passed their medicals with no side effects upon return and most all lived long lives even after passing through and back though the Van Allen belt some 6 hours all up . Prodomus that be a miracle bigger than Ben Hurr or just good luck as some like to say . I say no luck required because they never went. I simply apply logic. And finally you mention the level of conspiracy that would be required to pull off such a amonumental lie . It’s a good question. Prodomus I would say to that. How many propaganda lies pass off as historical fact 80 yrs later right up to this very day more so from the 2nd world war. Many . I do say in the place where.the lights never go out. And if you should ever find yourself there. Then if me say my hand be left when it is right or that 1 +1 equals 3 then you will believe accordingly. So it is very possible. And the moon landings could very well just be that yoo. I have written enough for now. Yours Kathleen

'I'll do what I want' and 'I don't care'.

This one statement sums up the natural human condition. Without God this would be the fate of all of us. God is described as light and in him is no darkness at all. Light goes out from source and illuminates and warms. It is a source of life sustaining energy. Darkness might be seen as consumptive taking.

Joh 3:19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.

Those who imagine something that is pleasurable to them can seek to intensify their pleasurable feelings from self-stimulation. Like an alcoholic, they can cut themselves off from anyone who they see as interfering with the pleasure they seek.

It sounds like your sister is playing round with trans ideation. 50% of the people that continue on this road attempt suicide. Your sister is trying to drive you away now because she sees you as hostile to the path she has chosen. However, many on this path come to a point where they have regret. If she does come to this point, you might be there for her to share the love and forgiveness that can be found in Jesus.

She may never come to that point, however, if she does you loving kindness may be key to her salvation.

Do unto others as you want done unto you. Why would Johnson deny representation? It is this type of stuff that is disgusting and divisive.

Nothing to worry about, we are still in the end times, prepare for the big frying.

Gotta love Revelation 16:8 . <3

BCP1928 said:

Those Koreans were not here to immigrate. They were not here to work illegally. They were here as employees of a Korean company who thought they were legally here. They were here helping to build a factory for Americans to work in, a factory too technicaaly advanced for US corporate management to understand. That's why ICE was called in.

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Why would a large corporation be ignorant of visa laws? Guess they need more lawyers and less factory expertise.

retired firefighter said:

from your post that the KJV is different from the Greek and Hebrew, i'm aware that there are differnces , for one the English language is more complex and for most english speaking folks they are limited to only reading English, as far as i'm concerned the Kjv is the best we have and all other translations are somewhat watered down

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I said that the KJV was translated from the Hebrew and Greek, which it was. The title page of the 1611 edition contained these words:

""THE HOLY BIBLE, Conteyning the Old Teſtament, AND THE NEW: Newly Tranſlated out of the Originall tongues: & with former Tranſlations diligently compared and reuiſed, by his Majesties ſpeciall Comandement." (my emphasis)

Saying that the KJV was translated int English from Hebrew and Greek is not saying that I can read Hebrew and Greek.

sjastro said:

To summarize your post it is the usual BS of doubling down because you do not have the capacity of presenting coherent intelligent counterarguments.

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What am I doubling down on lol. If I have not got the expertise to detail the metrology and analysis then what am I doubling down on. All I am saying is that the actual words., I repeat the actual words used by the researchers contradicts what you say. They clearly state they have analysed the vases in 3D and found them precisie.

Three different independent sources that state they analysed these vases in 3D and found them in the precise class. Even the skeptics agree that some are in the precise class but are fakes. Your the only one disputing that these vases are in at least a precise class that required some sort of lathing.

The only thing I am doubling down on is that I choose to go with the three independent published sources who have actually formerly done tests and published them. As opposed to your complaints on some social media platform. I think most people would go with the formal published work than some social opinion.

You are more or less asking me to take your word for it despite not being peer reviwed or even published. This is what I mean by double standards. You complain about the researched and published papers while demanding we take your unpublished and informal opinions over the published work.

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You have saved the best piece of BS for last, if you think part time amateur metrology coders have been using standard industry software for calculations or better still have created new industry standards then prove it.

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There you go and thats why I think your too biased to trust. You label these researchers as part time and amateur exposing your true colors. You have it in for anyone who dare suggest that these ancient vases involved advanced knowledge and tech. Before any credentials are checked.

They happen to be employed in precision tooling and one with over 50 years including NASA and pioneering tooling techniques. As well as actually living and being employed in the industry to see the evolution of machining from the 60s to modern times.

So if your using ad hominems then I am afraid you come out far worse on credibility. I would rather trust experts actually working in the very fields that most know about these vases and cover many more years experience and qualifications than yourself.

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You can start by showing their methods are recognised by ISO, ASTM, SAE, SA, JIS etc while the old metrology procedures have been discontinued.

I expect the standard lie “it’s not my responsibility” for good reason the various organizations listed which develop the standards represent little more to you than letters of the alphabet.

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I linked the articles and videos stating this. Go back and find it and then show how its wrong. I bet you don't even know and are just creating a red herring. This is between yourself and these experts. I want to see a formal article and they rebuttal.

Let me ask a simple question. When the reserachers state they have analysed these vases in 3D are you saying they are lying. When they speak of the 3D precision in circularity and for example shapes like cylinders and spheres. Are they lying that they have determined those 3D shapes in the software analysis.

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The source dataset consisted of 2 optical scans (for the objects O1 and O2) and 25 CAT scans processed into 3D models that were saved as STL files.

How did they rotate the vase in 3D to analyse them if they did not have 3D scans in the software in the first place. Is Dr Max lying. Is he so dumb that he thinks 2D is 3D.

Apple Sky said:

I don't think any of the above requires breathing equipment.

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No, but they require internal combustion engines, satellites, etc. to work. Just as our bodies as created by God don't have the ability to breathe under-water, or high up a really high mountain, neither to they have the ability to travel at the speed of a car, or to send long-distance messages immediately, without the aid of internet or phone.

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David I can only go what the NASA footage shows me and that’s shows the Apollo crew clearly staging a fake scenario claiming to be out in deep space when they are still in earths orbit. You ask of the Christian one Charles Duke. My reply to your question would be. Did any astronaut really pass through the Van Allen’s belt before even setting foot on the moon. You must remember there Be no medical journal that speaks favourably of the affects of radiation in doing so and of no adequate protection to suffice . One poster wrote they were going fast enough to not really be affected. But even with the alleged shorter journey through Van Ellen’s belt your still dealing with 3 hours

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So if Charles Duke didn't really go to the moon, as he says he did as part of his testimony as a Christian, he must have been lying, in your view.

Regarding danger to the astronauts from radiation from the belts, I came across this site, Apollo Rocketed Through the Van Allen Belts which includes the following paragraph:


"To monitor radiation exposure during the flights, Apollo crews carried dosimeters on board their spacecraft and on their persons. And these readings confirmed NASA had made a good choice. At the end of the program, the agency determined that its astronauts had avoided the large radiation doses many feared would ground flights to the Moon. Over the course of the lunar missions, astronauts were exposed to doses lower than the yearly 5 rem average experienced by workers with the Atomic Energy Commission who regularly deal with radioactive materials. And in no case did any astronaut experience any debilitating medical or biological effects. And beside, the Apollo astronauts were former test pilots. Flying to the Moon, radiation exposure included, was still a safer day at the office than putting an experimental aircraft through its paces in the skies above Edwards Air Force Base."

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David Lamb said:

What about travelling by car, rather than on foot, or by horse-drawn carriage? What about communicating by phone or internet, both of which these days rely on satellites?

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I don't think any of the above requires breathing equipment.

Strong in Him said:

Conspiracy theories are risky.
They can seriously challenge your patience and intelligence.

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They can be risky, but what they do is give one a broader out look into reality & sometimes the truth, and they also allow person to join up the dots.

Apple Sky said:

I hope I don't.

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We don't.

Apple Sky said:

I'm against anything that requires breathing apparatus to do it.

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What about travelling by car, rather than on foot, or by horse-drawn carriage? What about communicating by phone or internet, both of which these days rely on satellites?

Strong in Him said:

Going to sleep is a "risk" - you can't prove that you will wake up again.

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I hope I don't.