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Border czar Homan says ‘Catholic Church is wrong’ on immigration
- By Richard T
- One Bread, One Body - Catholic
- 6 Replies
Proven is a big word. Only God knows below you have news agencies that have not been sued for libel. If you never did this why would you not sue? Homan does not seem like the soft type that would never sue. Trump would sue in a minute. But still it is speculation. Probably not a crime because either the Trump administration dropped it, or it was entrapment and/or too hard to prosecute. Could be he did not take the money but the: not being in office is invalid because anyone close to Trump could influence contracts and therefore be a target of the FBI.
In my lifetime, I have watched some massive scandals unfold:
"Scope: The federal investigation by the FBI and IRS resulted in convictions or guilty pleas from approximately 240 people, including 110 sitting county commissioners and numerous suppliers across 60 of Oklahoma's 77 counties. It was, at the time, the largest public corruption case in U.S. history." Source google ai
From the 2003-2007 Operation Tennessee Waltz,
Here 11 people were convicted including 4 state legislators.
"The Scheme: FBI agents created a fictitious electronics recycling company called "E-Cycle" and, posing as corrupt businessmen, offered bribes to lawmakers in exchange for favorable legislation and contracts."
So here we have Trump who pardons convictions involving bribery and fraud. Trump seems to make light of these cases. he also "temporary halted the DOJ from charging under the Foreign Corrupt Bribery Act.
Pausing Foreign Corrupt Practices Act Enforcement to Further American Economic and National Security
By the authority vested in me as President by the Constitution and the laws of the United States of America, it is hereby ordered: Section 1. Purpose
www.whitehouse.gov
Trump has granted clemency to 17 corrupt politicians—so far - CREW | Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington
Trump has granted clemency to seven federal elected politicians and nine state and local politicians convicted of corruption charges.
www.citizensforethics.org
So proving innocence in the Trump administration comes very difficult to me. I am glad you have faith, perhaps later you will be more realistic. The Epstein files will show you what power can do to leaders. Many are not there to serve. Homan, I can't say either way but I imagine we might find out more when the democrats are back in power. Unless he sues, he can never prove innocence, and of course he does not have to "prove" innocence.
"WASHINGTON, Sept 21 (Reuters) - President Donald Trump's border czar Tom Homan accepted a $50,000 bag of cash from an undercover FBI agent last year in a since-closed U.S. Justice Department bribery investigation, two sources familiar with the matter said on Sunday.
In the alleged scheme, Homan promised immigration-related government contracts when he joined the Trump administration in exchange for the money, the sources said, speaking anonymously to discuss nonpublic investigations."
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Why do people hate ICE...
- By camille70
- American Politics
- 320 Replies
911 Audio Shows South Shore Residents’ Panic During ICE Raid
CPD dispatch audio reveals Border Patrol also detained two U.S. citizens that night in Steelworkers Park.
southsideweekly.com
In another recording, a caller was incensed that their friend’s door had been battered in by federal agents. They seemed to imply that the apartment was not one of the ones agents were supposed to target that night.
“We just had a wrongful break-in by the FBI and the ICE people, and now my friend’s door won’t even lock,” they said. “They got the numbers of the apartments on his wrist, and they still kicked this door in, and that door will not lock.” In response to the dispatcher’s questions, the caller reiterated that the agent had the apartment numbers “on his wrist” and damaged the apartment door in a “wrongful break-in.”
The call adds to mounting evidence that agents had advance information on which apartments migrants were living in. Two weeks before the raid, teachers at a CPS school across the street from the building told the Weekly they’d seen ICE agents surveilling the area. Earlier this month, WBEZ and Sun-Times reporters found a map of the building in one of the raided apartments that labeled units as “vacant,” “tenant,” or “firearms.” Multiple journalists have observed codes taped on the doors of some of the apartments, but it’s unclear what they mean or when they were placed there.
Dramatic Chicago ICE raid touted as anti-terror win results in no criminal charges
A new investigation by ProPublica found that immigration raids hailed by the Trump administration as a major strike against terrorism did not live up to those claims. Dozens of Venezuelan migrants were detained in a September raid, with officials alleging they are members of the dangerous Tren...
www.pbs.org
Pro Publica Interview
Ali Rogin:
And of those 37 individuals who were arrested, there were no criminal charges filed against them. Why is that? What did you find out about that?
Melissa Sanchez:
So, we spoke with federal — former federal prosecutors.
And what they have told us is that if the government had a good case, we would have seen charges filed in federal court, and we haven't seen any yet. So that suggests that maybe no charges are coming.
And kind of to add to that, we have gone to a lot of these men's immigration court hearings. We have gone to eight of them so far. And in not one of those hearings as a government lawyer made any reference to criminal cases or to gang membership.
So all of that makes it really difficult to believe that — believe what the government is saying about gang membership.
Ali Rogin:
There is tremendous video evidence showing this dramatic entrance into this complex. Did agents have warrants to forcibly enter the apartments that they did that night?
Melissa Sanchez:
That's a great question. I wish I could tell you that we knew the answer. The government won't tell us. We have found no evidence of warrants filed in federal court, although they could be under sealed. But we have asked the government, and they haven't answered. They said they have done everything according to the law.
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Why do people hate ICE...
- By rjs330
- American Politics
- 320 Replies
No we don't read it differently. As you know what is written in a quick blurb never does justice to the entirety of thought. Walsh's stance is far more nuanced than a sentence. Just like you don't just drop a single sentence as the final be all and end all of your thoughts on a subject. It's pretty crappy to read a single sentence and then claim well that covers everything someone thinks on a subject.
Heavily controlled immigration is the best possible solution. And look at you being all negative in believing we can't controll immigration.
You didn't answer the question. Do we have to take immigrants who are good people with no issues? Yes or no? Its not a difficult question.What a handsome straw man! I'm sure someone, somewhere, made that argument at some time....
It does doesn't it.
I haven’t seen that from 99% of the people on the right.
Yes that's true.
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Gallup: Drop in U.S. Religiosity Among Largest in World
- By Ellesmere
- News & Current Events (Articles Required)
- 290 Replies
"A report in The Lancet estimates that deep funding cuts to USAID could lead to more than 14 million additional deaths by 2030, with one-third being children, if the funding isn't restored. The cuts have already caused the immediate shutdown of essential programs, leading to a higher risk of diseases like cholera and a rise in under-five mortality rates in affected areas. As a result, some models already estimate that the dismantling of USAID has already caused 600,000 deaths, with two-thirds being children."
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1) What would motivate America's Evangelicals to align themselves with a President who terminated USAID, a government agency, according to independent sources, is credited with saving 91 million lives over the last 2 decades and whose demise will come at a price of 14 million by 2030?
PROVERBS !4
31) Whoever oppresses the poor shows contempt for their Maker, but whoever is kind to the needy honors God"
2) USAID operated at a cost to the average US taxpayer $0.18 per day - President Trump, a multi-billionaire, and his chief advisor Elon Musk, the richest man in the world, were instrumental in its demise - depriving the world's most destitute of food and basic medical care!
MATTHEW 19
23) Then Jesus said to his disciples, “Truly I tell you, it is hard for someone who is rich to enter the kingdom of heaven.
24) Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for someone who is rich to enter the kingdom of God.”
3) What portions of Scripture can MAGA Evangelicals cite that would justify their political alliance with a President whose 40 “The King will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me.’ have denied 23 million of the world's neediest children access to an education that would dramatically improve their prospects on life?
4) What version of their Christian faith would rationalize the withdrawal of government programs that would result in depriving another 100 million of the world's most vulnerable of basic healthcare, - leading to more than 3 million preventable deaths per year with a disproportionate number of those children!
MATTHEW 25
40) .....‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me"
5) Presumably Evangelical support of Donald Trump is to exert their influence on the White House, the Trump Administration and congressional Republicans now in the majority in both the House and the Senate - presumably that influence could have extended to convince the President that the price of their support included retaining the humanitarian branch of the federal government - USAID!
PROVERBS 31
8) Speak up for those who cannot speak for themselves,
for the rights of all who are destitute.
9) Speak up and judge fairly;
defend the rights of the poor and needy.
6) Those who don't identify with the Christian faith would be well justified in questioning as to why they should convert to a religion where some of its most vocal advocates, the Evangelicals, support a President whose actions appears preoccupied with the construction of a garish $300 million gold ballroom designed to impress the rich and powerful - not preserving human life of the world's less fortunate!
What USAID did, and the effects of Trump's cuts on lifesaving aid
Oxfam outlines what the U.S. Agency for International Development did and the real-life effects of USAID cuts.
www.oxfamamerica.org
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