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Colo Millz · 2025-10-14T12:53:38-0500

That reminds me of the cows video by cyriak ...

Anyway I am digging these guys right now:

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCVfwlh9XpX2Y_tQfjeln9QA

Hentenza · 2025-10-14T12:53:09-0500

SabbathBlessings said:
The God in the NT does not delete God in the OT. Not according to Jesus. Mat4:4

Strawman.

SabbathBlessings said:
Heb8:10 clearly tells that God's covenant people,

The house of Israel. We keep going over this over and over. And even the verses tell you who the covenant is with. Why do you ignore scripture?

SabbathBlessings said:
keep God's laws in the hearts and minds, why we see the apostles and faithful followers keeping every Sabbath, decades after the Cross, just as Jesus commanded them to observe everything He commanded Mat 28:18 because they knew Jesus was God and God;s commandments weren't deleted in the NT as we are clearly told 1John5:3 Rev14:12 Rev 22:14-15

The commandments are the two from Jesus not from the law. Still waiting on that post crucifixion verse that requires the Christian to keep the Sabbath.

mark46 · 2025-10-14T12:52:59-0500

camille70 said:
U.S. consumers will pay 55% of Trump tariff costs, Goldman Sachs says - UPI.com

U.S. consumers will likely pay for more than half the cost of tariffs this year through higher prices, according to a new Goldman Sachs analysis.

www.upi.com

Oct. 13 (UPI) -- U.S. consumers will likely pay for more than half the cost of tariffs this year through higher prices, according to a new Goldman Sachs analysis.

Goldman Sachs economists predicted Sunday that U.S. companies will shoulder 22% of the tariffs, implemented by President Donald Trump six months ago, with foreign exporters taking an 18% hit by cutting prices.

"If recently implemented and future tariffs have the same eventual impact on prices as the tariffs implemented earlier this year, then U.S. consumers would eventually absorb 55% of tariff costs," according to economists.

OK.

I am surprised that the foreign companies and US importers chose to absorb 45%. Many of those companies will be forced out of business or to reduce the quality of their products. Of course, other companies will simply choose not to sell to the US, not being to raise their prices by enough to remain profitable. There are lots of products where consumers won't even pay for 55% of the tariffs. They will just buy another product.

Everyone involved in the sale of tariffed products to the US is a loser other than those companies who are able to sell more to non-US customers.

Dan Perez · 2025-10-14T12:51:02-0500

Mercy Shown said:
Looking back to when I was a young Christian I believe I fell into worshiping the law rather than the law giver. Like the crippled man at the pool of siloam looking to the pool to "save" him, I looked at the law. It was a very stern master finally whipped me into dispair. It is too long of s story to share here but I came to the point of letting go of any kind of God concept and then I met the law giver and relized what He did to procure the gift He was offering me. This is how I have come to undestand where his law fits into His boundless Grace and unconditionsal love.

1. The Law’s True Purpose
Paul never said the law was bad — he said it had a specific role:

The law reveals God’s holiness and our sinfulness — it drives us to God for mercy. But once faith comes, the believer’s relationship with the law changes:

The law shows what righteousness looks like; Christ provides the power and forgiveness to live it.

2. Law-Keeping “by the Flesh” — Self-Righteousness
When Paul speaks of “the flesh,” he means human effort apart from God’s Spirit.

That’s what Paul calls law-keeping by the flesh — obeying rules to earn favor, to prove oneself righteous, or to feel spiritually superior.

This was his own past error:

He had kept the letter of the law, but he didn’t yet know the heart of the Lawgiver. Once he met Christ, he saw that all his efforts without faith were empty.

3. Law-Keeping “by Faith” — Spirit-Empowered Obedience
When we come to God by faith, the Spirit enables us to walk in obedience from the inside out.

This is law-keeping by faith: not to earn salvation, but as the fruit of a heart transformed by grace. It’s what Jeremiah and Ezekiel foresaw when they spoke of the law written on the heart (Jeremiah 31:33; Ezekiel 36:26–27).

The believer’s obedience flows from love, not fear:

4. Worshiping God, Not the Law
Paul’s entire gospel defends worship of the Lawgiver rather than the law itself.

The law worshiper says, “I will prove my loyalty by keeping every command.”

The God worshiper says, “Because I love Him, I want to walk in His ways.”

Both might look outwardly obedient — but only one is inwardly free.

Paul put it beautifully:

And here is what ROM 6:14 says for TODAY under the. grace of. of God !!

For sin will. NOT. // OU , is a DISJUNCATIVE PARTICLE NEGATIVE will rule over you. , FOR. you. are NOT. // OU

is also DISJUNCATIVE PARTICLE NEGATIVE , under the Law , BUT under Grace , Eph. 2:8 !!

dan p

Abraham1st · 2025-10-14T12:48:44-0500

Anyone with an ounce of sense on this non preaching section, to recognise the error Hans Blaster just made by his words just NOW....

Hans Blaster: .......THIS IS NOT THE SECTION FOR PREACHING. It is for discussion. .....

Should advice for when the flood happened to the whole world, have been given to the whole world, or would the very same people, as Hans Blaster and all those who take part in THIS THREAD, AND IN THIS SECTION, also BE RIGHT, to say we don't want to hear any advice here, we DONT WANT PREACHING HERE, as would have happened EXACTLY the very same as when Noah had spoken to the people of the whole world, who continued to have their ( discussions) while the flood was coming and even up to the very last moment and it TOOK THEM ALL AWAY. ( IF THIS WAS TOO LONG WHAT I WRITE HERE, TO YOU PEOPLE, WILL IT BE A LONG TIME TO NEVER BE ABLE TO HEAR THESE WORDS EVER AGAIN IN YOUR EARS. )

Do you people think it is WISE/SENSIBLE, to have the SAME CONVERSATION that was the CAUSE of the flood in the first place, which was (coincidentally.) TO HAVE NO INTEREST IN WHAT NOAH WAS DISCUSSING, AND TO NOT REJECT IT, OR TO THEN BE REJECTED THEMSELVES.

Hans Blaster thinks he is smart to give his answers in the SAME WAY, to say, TOO LONG, and that it is NOT WANTED here, and that IT IS NOT RELEVANT FOR THE DISCUSSION .

HOW MANY TIMES/CHANCES do these in the ..wise discussion.. think they may receive, OTHER THAN EXACTLY AS THE LORD JESUS CHRIST SAYS, which is that it will be NO MORE THAN BEING THE VERY SAME AS IN THE DAYS OF NOAH. ( and to be TOO BUSY DOING/FOCUSSING ON OTHER INTERESTS AND TOPICS ?)

But here is the PUNCH LINE, because Jesus Christ said it will be the same in the Son of mans days, so you don't seem you can be APPEALED TO ALSO.

2 Peter 2:5 And SPARED NOT THE OLD WORLD, but saved NOAH the eighth person, A PREACHER of righteousness, BRINGING IN THE FLOOD UPON THE WORLD OF THE UNGODLY;

Matthew 24:39 And knew not until the flood came, and TOOK THEM ALL AWAY; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

Luke 17: 26 And AS IT WAS IN THE DAYS OF NOE, so SHALL IT BE ALSO IN THE DAYS OF THE SON OF MAN.
27 They did eat, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noah entered into the ark, and the flood came, and destroyed them all.
28 Likewise also as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they builded;
29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.
30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.
31 In that day, he which shall be upon the housetop, and his stuff in the house, let him not come down to take it away: and he that is in the field, let him likewise not return back.
32 Remember Lot's wife.
33 Whosoever shall seek to save his life shall lose it; and whosoever shall lose his life shall preserve it.
34 I tell you, in that night there shall be two men in one bed; the one shall be taken, and the other shall be left.
35 Two women shall be grinding together; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
36 Two men shall be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.

Colo Millz · 2025-10-14T12:48:25-0500

SabbathBlessings said:
...

No wonder God is calling us back to true worship Rev 14:7 Rev 18:4 before its too late Rev 22:11

What about

Acts 20:7 - “On the first day of the week we gathered to break bread.”

Revelation 1:10 - “I was in the Spirit on the Lord’s Day.” The term “Lord’s Day” refers to the day belonging to the Lord, that is, Sunday - the day of Christ’s resurrection.

The Didache (late 1st century):
“On the Lord’s own day, gather and break bread.”

Ignatius of Antioch (c. 107 AD):
“Those who have come to the possession of a new hope no longer observe the Sabbath, but live in observance of the Lord’s Day, on which also our life has sprung up again through Him.” (Letter to the Magnesians 9:1)

Justin Martyr (c. 150 AD):
“On the day called Sunday, all who live in cities or in the country gather together to one place… because it is the first day on which God made the world, and Jesus Christ our Savior rose from the dead.” (First Apology 67)

o_mlly · 2025-10-14T12:47:15-0500

Hans Blaster said:
There was a lot of "we had no idea what was going on" with the post-war Germans, but the Hitler government did make efforts to keep some aspects of it from the mass of the people ...

So, you claim the German "society" did not approve of the extermination of the Jews? And that the "a lot of Germans had no idea"? And your evidence is a Sargent Shultz "I know nothing" defense?

Hans Blaster said:
... as the Nazis knew that killing all of the Jews was not acceptable to the majority of society, even some of the anti-Semitic parts.

Did you know about the Wannsee Conference of 1942?

"On January 20, 1942, 15 high-ranking Nazi Party and German government officials gathered at a villa in the Berlin suburb of Wannsee to discuss and coordinate the implementation of what they called the "Final Solution of the Jewish Question."

Hans Blaster said:
Of course this has nothing to do with arguing against morality being determined by societies.

Of course it does.

Hans Blaster said:
Now you are shifting the definitions.

Just trying to keep up with your moving the goal posts.

Hans Blaster said:
Not a deflection, just a counter to your claim that humans seek truth. I see an awful lot of intellectual effort expended to make excuses for claims that are not based on evidence. That is not truth seeking behavior.

Is such behavior normal? Of course, it is not. So, I ask again, do you desire to know the truth?

Hentenza · 2025-10-14T12:47:01-0500

Apple Sky said:
Using a sexton they could calculate this figure.

Is called a sextant and it determines a latitude. It does not measure distance.

PTW · 2025-10-14T12:43:37-0500

Yum!

Manicotti?

Dan Perez · 2025-10-14T12:39:14-0500

Colo Millz said:
Christ himself is our sabbath - therefore we fulfil the 4th commandment in our Sunday celebration of new creation.

But Rom 6:14 says

For b. sin will. not rule. over you for you are NOT //. OU. is a DISJUNCATIVE PARTICLE NEGATIVE , meaning. the Law of Moses

will never rule over you. NEVERRRRR. , for you are. UNDER GRACE !!

dan p

Hentenza · 2025-10-14T12:36:58-0500

SabbathBlessings said:
I pray this helps

Christ said:

Mat 11:28 Come to Me, all you who labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. 29 Take My yoke upon you and learn from Me, for I am [a]gentle and lowly in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. 30 For My yoke is easy and My burden is light.”

Many believe and teach Christ's rest some how relieves our moral obligation to obey the Sabbath commandment, but is this what Jesus is teaching?

Jesus said this and still kept the Sabbath going to church reading God's word Luke 4:16 as the apostles did following in His footsteps keeping every Sabbath in the same manner decades after the Cross Acts 15:21 Acts 13:42 Acts 13:44 Acts 18:4 as the Sabbath is a holy convocation Lev 23:3 and we see that continuing on in the New Heaven and New Earth Isa 66:22-23

So what rest is Christ referring to?

Psa 38:3 There is no soundness in my flesh because of thine anger; neither is there any rest in my bones because of my sin.4 For mine iniquities are gone over mine head: as an heavy burden they are too heavy for me.

The rest Jesus is giving us when we come to Him is rest from our sins. Jesus came to save us from our sins Mat 1:21 we are not saved in our sins Heb 10:26-30

Sin is:
1 John 3:4 Whoever commits sin also commits lawlessness, and sin is lawlessness.
James 2:11-12 For He who said, “Do not commit adultery,” also said, “Do not murder.” Now if you do not commit adultery, but you do murder, you have become a transgressor of the law. quoting and contrasting directly from the Ten Commandments breaking one we break them all
Rom 7:7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? Certainly not! On the contrary, I would not have known sin except through the law. For I would not have known covetousness unless the law had said, “You shall not covet.”
Rom 14:23 But he who doubts is condemned if he eats, because he does not eat from faith; for whatever is not from faith is sin.

We also see this play out in the last days

Rev 14:11 And the smoke of their torment ascends forever and ever; and they have no rest day or night, who worship the beast and his image, and whoever receives the mark of his name.”

Compared to the antidote found in the next verse

Rev 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints; here are those who keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus.

If we understand Christ rest, it will help us understand Hebrews 4 much better as it is speaking of two rests, not one.

We are invited to enter into Christ rest, just like the Israelites, Heb 4:1 but many didn't enter due to disobedience (sin) even through the same gospel was preached Heb 4:6

Why the Holy Spirit is calling us "TODAY" to come our of our rebellion (sin) and enter His rest quoting directly from Psa 95

Heb 3:7 Therefore, as the Holy Spirit says:

“Today, if you will hear His voice,
8 Do not harden your hearts as in the rebellion,
In the day of trial in the wilderness,
9 Where your fathers tested Me, tried Me,
And saw My works forty years.
10 Therefore I was angry with that generation,
And said, ‘They always go astray in their heart,
And they have not known My ways.’
11 So I swore in My wrath,
‘They shall not enter My rest.’ ”

Why there is another day spoken of, which is TODAY God is calling us from our sins and come unto Him and He will give us rest from the burdens of sin but we need to enter through faith Heb 4:2

What did the Israelites disobey during their trial of the wilderness that led them to not enter into Christ rest

Eze 22:13 Yet the house of Israel rebelled against Me in the wilderness; they did not walk in My statutes; they despised My judgments, ‘which, if a man does, he shall live by them’; and they greatly defiled My Sabbaths. Then I said I would pour out My fury on them in the wilderness, to consume them.

Why the next verse says there remains a Sabbath-rest for the people of God Heb 4:9 and the Sabbath rest is according to the commandment Luke 23:56 because breaking God's law is sin 1 John 3:4 James 2:11-12

The next verse clearly shows these two rests

Heb 4:10 For he who has entered His rest has himself also (in addition) ceased from his works as God did from His.

God ceased from His works on the seventh day, Heb 4:4 Gen 2:1-3 just like God commanded us to Exo 20:8-11 as we were made in His image and likeness so to enter His rest one also ceases from work on the seventh day Sabbath. Exo 20:10

Heb 4:11 Let us therefore be diligent to enter that rest, lest anyone fall according to the same example of disobedience

We don't want to follow the same mistakes of the Israelites who sinned and never entered their rest in Canaan, which is a type of heaven. The same applies to us to enter in Heaven Rev 22:14

12 For the word of God is living and powerful, and sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing even to the division of soul and spirit, and of joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart. 13 And there is no creature hidden from His sight, but all things are naked and open to the eyes of Him to whom we must give account.

In Christ rest no one is in rebellion or breaking God's law, why there is just peace
Isa 48:18
Oh, that you had heeded My commandments!
Then your peace would have been like a river,
And your righteousness like the waves of the sea.

Jesus is coming soon and we need to come out of our rebellion to Him and obey Him and His commandments, His version, God’s own personal Testimony Exo 31:18 written personally by God, His law and will Psa 40:8, It’s why we see the ark of the covenant, which holds God’s personal Testimony, the Ten Commandments written and spoken by the God of the Universe revealed at the last Trumpet before Jesus comes in all His Glory Rev 11:19 as it is the standard of what God will judge all man 2 Cor 5:10 James 2:10-12 Ecc 12:13-14 Mat 5:19-30 Rev 11:18-19 Rev 22:14-15 and removing anything God covers under His mercy seat which below sits God’s Testimony His Ten Commandments, laying it aside as to say its not for me, I do not believe that's going to work out so well as Jesus taught plainly Mat 15:3-14 Mark 7:7-13

So lets be willing to forsake our sins Pro 28:13 and come to Jesus, He will give us rest.

Still waiting on that post crucifixion verse that requires the Christian to keep the Sabbath.

PTW · 2025-10-14T12:35:59-0500

Travis

Hentenza · 2025-10-14T12:34:42-0500

Studyman said:
I just showed you two verses, both Laws given by God concerning Jews and Non-Jews. Here, I'll give you the Word's of Isaiah.

Is. 56: 6 Also the sons of the stranger, (Non-Jew/Gentile) "that join themselves to the LORD", to serve him, and to love the name of the LORD, to be his servants, "every one" that keepeth the sabbath from polluting it, and "taketh hold of my covenant";

7 Even them will I bring to my holy mountain, and make them joyful in my house of prayer: their burnt offerings and their sacrifices shall be accepted upon mine altar; for mine house shall be called an house of prayer for all people.

If a man can't believe Moses and Isaiah, I don't know what to say, but Jesus does, Luke 16: 31

I seem important to understand who Israel is, given Paul said, "Not all Israel, is of Israel", and that a "Jew" was one Inwardly, not outwardly. And that the Jesus "of the bible" said true Children of Abraham are folks who "do the works of Abraham".

And given the earth from Abraham's time to now has had thousands of generations of men who have lived and died, even if the Path is narrow, and there are few that enter, that would still be a lot of people.

And it is written that God doesn't change, so the Laws of God for Caleb would be the same Laws for Rehab and Shadrack, which would be the same Laws for Zacharias, Simeon and Anna. Except concerning the Priesthood, which was prophesied to change. So I'm not sure how the number of people who live and die, would change God's Laws for the people who would "join themselves" to Him.

What I do know, as a student of the bible, is that God never placed on the necks of even one of these men who trusted Him, 613 Laws.

So how many laws are in the Law of Moses? I’m still waiting on a number.

Colo Millz · 2025-10-14T12:34:36-0500

Well at least we can agree we are not Seventh Day etc

Apple Sky · 2025-10-14T12:34:19-0500

Hentenza said:
Why?

Using a sexton they could calculate this figure.

Hentenza · 2025-10-14T12:31:56-0500

Colo Millz said:
Christ himself is our sabbath - therefore we fulfil the 4th commandment in our Sunday celebration of new creation.

Totally agree.

camille70 · 2025-10-14T12:25:16-0500

Hundreds Could Be Freed From ICE Custody After Warrantless Arrest Ruling

Immigration attorneys said they have already identified more than 200 arrests that potentially violate the consent decree. However, they said those 200 arrests are likely “just the tip of the iceberg.”

Hundreds Could Be Freed From ICE Custody After Warrantless Arrest Ruling

Immigration attorneys said they have already identified more than 200 arrests that potentially violate the consent decree. However, they said those 200 arrests are likely "just the tip of the iceberg."

blockclubchicago.org

More than 1,000 people have been arrested in the Chicago area since the Department of Homeland Security launched Operation Midways Blitz at the start of September. Fleming said one of the strategies ICE has been deploying over the past few weeks has been to “go out with a small list of targets and then use that as a pretext to then sweep up everyone else that they come in contact with.”

“We suspect that the majority of immigration arrests that have taken place in Chicago in the last month are in violation of this order,” attorney Keren Zwick with the National Immigration Justice Center told Block Club.

While Fleming said the ruling will not affect people who have already been deported, he said his office will be communicating with advocates who are working with people currently to ensure they know about the ruling.

o_mlly · 2025-10-14T12:24:01-0500

2PhiloVoid said:
Not everyone who is, as you call them, an 'evo' protests. Think about those folks at organizations like Francis Collins and his Biologos group.

I'm not arguing this. I'm just offering a friendly suggestion.

Yes, there are evo supporter that are civil. However, unfortunately they are not posting in this thread. I wasn't making a global claim, only a particular one. Thanks for your suggestion.

2PhiloVoid said:
Actually, looking at this influence you've cited from a historical viewpoint (as in, from withi In the field of Historians), it was the Evolutionary ideology of Social Darwinists like Herbert Spencer and William Graham Sumner, and other similar to them, who influenced the political and social errors of eugenicists and Nazis. It wasn't simply evolutionists in a sweeping, generalizing way.

Root cause? The evolution theory gave the fundamental knowledge of heredity and provided eugenicists with "scientific" evidence to support the improvement of humans through selective breeding.

bbbbbbb · 2025-10-14T12:23:35-0500

Yuck

biscuits and gravy?

bbbbbbb · 2025-10-14T12:20:38-0500

can be quite delightful if picked, cooked, and served well.

Cooking is really all about . . .

bbbbbbb · 2025-10-14T12:19:06-0500

head frame

bbbbbbb · 2025-10-14T12:18:08-0500

Hatshepsut

ranunculus · 2025-10-14T12:16:41-0500

Desk trauma said:
Related thread.

You'll want to fix that link

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