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Aryeh Jay · 2025-12-10T08:23:16-0600

ThatRobGuy said:
If there was some sort of civil suit where the president of the gun club was threatening to sue someone for defamation just to bully them into dropping their petition against the new shooting range getting put in the residential area for the noise complaints, would you feel confident in that person getting a fair/impartial jury in a city where 70%+ of the residents were members of that gun club?

Do not both lawyers get to be present during jury selection to ensure this doesn't happen?

FAITH-IN-HIM · 2025-12-10T08:22:45-0600

rjs330 said:
And this is Sharia law. A law that the men in Islam use in order to control women. Because women don't have the same rights. Women in these places can't just say no. They are pressured into it and then suffer under it. When you fail to see the control kn that then you fail to see the dangers of it. Genital mutilation is occuring in the West as has been proven by another poster.

And this isnt about every Muslim. This is about certain Muslims who are coming from these places. And Muslims who do not want to assimilate and want to create separate communities, separate courts, separate education separate everything. And its not about just buying some land and building their own Muslim community. Its about taking over EXISTING communities. Its happening in the US. Remember all the brew ha ha over the group who wanted to build their own community with white people. And everyone went nuts? They wanted their own space, they were not moving enmass into other communities and taking over.

Your perspective is limited and lacks sufficient factual support for a conclusion.

Muslim women who have held the highest office (head of state or head of government) in Muslim-majority countries:

Presidents

Megawati Sukarnoputri – President of Indonesia (2001–2004) [en.wikipedia.org], [acraftyarab.com]
Ameenah Gurib-Fakim – President of Mauritius (2015–2018) [en.wikipedia.org], [acraftyarab.com]
Atifete Jahjaga – President of Kosovo (2011–2016) [en.wikipedia.org], [acraftyarab.com]
Roza Otunbayeva – President of Kyrgyzstan (2010–2011) [acraftyarab.com]
Halimah Yacob – President of Singapore (2017–2023) [en.wikipedia.org], [acraftyarab.com]
Samia Suluhu Hassan – President of Tanzania (2021–present) [en.wikipedia.org], [grokipedia.com]

Prime Ministers

Benazir Bhutto – Prime Minister of Pakistan (1988–1990, 1993–1996) – first Muslim woman to lead a Muslim-majority country [grokipedia.com], [muslimnews.co.uk]
Khaleda Zia – Prime Minister of Bangladesh (1991–1996, 2001–2006) [en.wikipedia.org], [muslimnews.co.uk]
Sheikh Hasina Wajed – Prime Minister of Bangladesh (1996–2001, 2009–2024) [en.wikipedia.org]
Tansu Çiller – Prime Minister of Turkey (1993–1996) [en.wikipedia.org], [muslimnews.co.uk]
Mame Madior Boye – Prime Minister of Senegal (2001–2002) [en.wikipedia.org]
Cissé Mariam Kaïdama Sidibé – Prime Minister of Mali (2011–2012) [en.wikipedia.org]
Aminata Touré – Prime Minister of Senegal (2013–2014) [acraftyarab.com]
Sibel Siber – Prime Minister of Northern Cyprus (2013) [acraftyarab.com]

Key Insights

Benazir Bhutto broke historic barriers in 1988 as the first Muslim woman to lead a Muslim-majority nation.
Bangladesh stands out for having two women (Khaleda Zia and Sheikh Hasina) dominate its politics for decades.

Pioneer3mm · 2025-12-10T08:22:26-0600

It seems..the persecution is increasing in Nigeria.
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I was in Nigeria in 1993..
- short trip.
I learned about..Christian & Muslim conflict.

narnia59 · 2025-12-10T08:20:43-0600

Always in His Presence said:
I’ll be happy to address this in just a bit. I’m in transit right now.

In the meantime I have a Question for you.

How does a four month old repent?

A four month old has nothing to repent from.

They do however, come into the world with a fallen nature. And their parents have spiritual authority over them, do they not?

essentialsaltes · 2025-12-10T08:19:31-0600

US Secretary of State Marco Rubio on Tuesday ordered diplomats to return to using Times New Roman font in official communications, calling his predecessor Antony Blinken’s decision to adopt Calibri a “wasteful” diversity move, according to an internal department cable seen by Reuters.

The department under Blinken in early January 2023 had switched to Calibri, a modern sans-serif font, saying this was a more accessible font for people with disabilities because it did not have the decorative angular features and was the default in Microsoft products.

“To restore decorum and professionalism to the Department’s written work products and abolish yet another wasteful DEIA program, the Department is returning to Times New Roman as its standard typeface,” the cable said.

Aryeh Jay · 2025-12-10T08:19:11-0600

Europe is just a failed dystopia Islamic Caliphate made up of freedom squashing socialist micro states run by atheist dictators who want to be like the great cultural beacon of freedom known as Mississippi.

Oompa Loompa · 2025-12-10T08:17:46-0600

Bradskii said:
What else was it? You don't fool anyone. Don't kid yourself, for heaven's sake.

No, you dance around it. You've been saying that due process should be followed on US soil. That it's the FBI that has to break down doors and use those handcuffs. Except now, at last, we get you saying exactly what you'd prefer. That all this bulldust about that due process is just that. Bulldust. Kill them. And to blazes with due process. Because hey, it's cheaper and easier.

Because not many people, including you, want to admit what you've now admitted. People have to be poked and prodded. People have to be prompted. But eventually the desire to speak your mind becomes too great. We 'getcha' to tell us what you really want eventually.

I have not danced around anything. You just refuse to read what I actually stated. You call it "poking" but it is actually harassment. Would i prefer them to be blown up in the water? Yes! But did I ever suggest they should not receive due process if on US soil? Absolutely not.

essentialsaltes · 2025-12-10T08:15:02-0600

I'm not, but I'm fed up with being told that I am.

NxNW · 2025-12-10T08:13:42-0600

HARK! said:
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Another record?

Over the decades, gold hasn't even kept up with inflation.

RDKirk · 2025-12-10T08:13:15-0600

MarkRohfrietsch said:
Sacraments are about what God does for us, not what we do for God. I agree that bread and wine must be use, as well as the words of our Lord is the minimum, our Lord's body is distributed and eaten; the blood of our Lord, likewise. Scripture does not define exactly how we should achieve this.

Regarding the bread, wine, and the Verba Domini; we are not allowed to act like unruly children and do otherwise.

I'm not worried about an exact routine, but about the elements you yourself said "must be used" and "is the minimum."

If one can't do that much at the moment, it's better to do it a bit later. As a Protestant, I see it as an act of obedience, and in obedience it's obedient to be done according to the minimal instruction that we're given.

FAITH-IN-HIM · 2025-12-10T08:11:38-0600

rjs330 said:
Incorrect. I have a clear understanding of it. I've listened to plenty of people who have left Islam and who have lived in Islamic countries. You ignored my points on Radicalization. I hate to repeat myself but I will for the last time for you. Radicalization is about Islamisim. The Islamist. The ones who believe in violence, death, subjugation of women and takeover to name a few things. You cannot deny that there is a very large number of Muslims that believe in that. The Christians in Muslim countries are not radicalizing people to do that. Yet Islamists who do believe in that are leaving their countries and bringing that with them. I'm not talking about every Muslim. I will repeat rhis I am not talking about every Muslim. I am talking about Islamists who are broken up into two groups. Those who will use violence to take over or those who will use political means to take over.

And there is no denying that these radicals have come to the west.

As I anticipated, you have not visited any Muslim-majority countries, nor have you participated in evangelism within such regions. Instead, your interactions have primarily involved meeting a few Muslims who converted to Christianity while residing in America. It appears that you think you grasp the topic, but you don't truly have direct experience with it.

Islam is a false religion, and Islam is not aligned with contemporary secular democratic principles. Many aspects of Islam, when interpreted literally, appear to be inconsistent with the values of a modern, 21st-century secular society. Throughout its history, Islam has been associated with various forms of violence and warfare. Over the last 1,500 years, there have been numerous instances where conflict was waged against those who held different faiths. Another notable aspect of Islam is the objectification of women.

The sentiment expressed above reflects our perspective on Islam, and it is generally accurate regarding Islam.

Conversely, many Muslims do not perceive Christianity in the same positive manner as we do. Just as we the Christian view Islam a false religion and incompatible with contemporary society, some Muslims hold negative views about Christianity.

Muslim do not label Christianity as a false religion, largely because they acknowledge Jesus as one of their prophets and hold him in high regard within their faith tradition. However, Muslims critically examine the history and practices associated with Christianity, particularly as they have unfolded over the past two millennia in Europe. From this perspective, these Muslims point to events such as violence, forced conversions, witch hunts, and the persecution of Protestants by the Holy Church as evidence of corruption and radicalism within Christianity. They often cite the violence perpetrated during the Crusades, emphasizing these stories to illustrate their view that Christians have engaged in acts of violence throughout history.

In addition, many Muslims associate contemporary Western, secular society—often described through the lens of Hollywood culture, the sexual revolution, and increased acceptance of transgender identities and homosexuality—with what they perceive as the modern Christian lifestyle in the West. Other points of criticism include high divorce rates, broken homes, and issues such as drunkenness. These aspects are often presented as indicators of moral decline and are used to argue that Christianity, as practiced in the West, has become corrupt and is no longer aligned with traditional values.

Yet, it is possible for a group of American missionaries to travel to Dhaka , Bangladesh and establish Christian mission schools or hospitals—a predominantly Muslim city with a population of 23 million Muslims. This demonstrates a degree of openness in some Muslim-majority regions to allow Christian organizations to operate educational or medical institutions. However, a stark difference is in the United States. In USA whose constitution explicitly guarantees freedom of religion, an American Muslim seeking to open a Muslim school would face significant challenges.

jonojim1337 · 2025-12-10T08:10:37-0600

Kathleen30 said:
Well Dave to me as scripture states Satan certainly doesn’t has the power to foresee the future. He certainly not he able to inform about NASA and Albert Einstein in Luther’s time. But he certainly knows how to instigate people to do do his bidding from generation to generation . But NASA certainly had some bad asses working for them like Jack Parsons who stabilised rocket fuels and made rocketry more reliable . He was into everything wife swapping, sex orgies and very much involved with the occult the OTO. Alister Crowley and Rex Hubbard from memory who was the future founder of Scientology all knew each other. Einstein was a bad ass too : ) View attachment 374289 View attachment 374290

bbbbbbb · 2025-12-10T08:03:51-0600

FredVB said:
Why conjure the severe (or severest scenarios) to apply? None of us really can travel to a black hole, it is really more possible that a black hole would be traveling toward us. If so we could not escape. And from what is known with physics we could not survive that. Modern depictions of hell that I find from anyone are not what I would speak of as being reality. Fair judgment could be applied to all, of humans. Everyone would be without excuse for not looking, earlier people are included, There must be some from earlier times that we who would be saved will find have been saved too. The difference since the gospel of Christ has been revealed is that its message is available and being spread, for much more opportunity to all those reached to respond, along with all that is made known of Christ provided to them. Earlier individuals might have only responded for themselves without a message from them that would have others more likely to come to that than they already were. Abraham would have been pretty unique with effectively spreading faith of the one true God who should be trusted. A few others who were earlier were shown doing that too, still.

With fairness of justice in judgment from God it would be fairly applied to those apart from deliverance in Christ, who bore all of what is needed for any who come to him, that they are covered in him. As God he could bear all of that, which no mere human could do, so that deliverance is available. Conjuring the most extreme sentences imagined for others would not dispense the fairness in judgment that God can and will apply to any that remain apart from the deliverance provided. The fairness amounts to the different degrees any will suffer throughout the afterlife they come to, when there is the judgment for them, that will be with fair justice to them, for each.

Who knows, indeed? We can only speculate based on the paltry number of verses in the Bible. I, for one, hardly wish this fate on anyone, even the vilest person living. You did pose the apparent conundrum of an eternal fate of being in an outer darkness as well as in a lake of fire. The God of the universe is quite capable of doing anything, I believe, and to transport a soul to one of the vast number of black holes is hardly beyond His power. The only object in the universe of which I am aware which is intensely and infinitely dark, as well as incalculably hot at the same time is a black hole. Apart from His mercy and grace in Jesus Christ, we have no hope at all.

rjs330 · 2025-12-10T08:00:17-0600

truthuprootsevil said:
And anytime a person is arrested they go into the data bank / their fingerprint, their age, their address, their name, their nationality and whether they are illegal or not. All over the USA and today with computers it is easy to keep up with.

No they are not. The fact they are illegal or legal is not entered, unless the jurisdiction actually asks and the person is honest. The peraon could lie and the jurisdiction does not collect their birth certificate.

truthuprootsevil said:
No I am not saying illegals should be allowed to come here, you can assume that if you like

Then what was the point of saying Americans commit crime? It seems like you were arguing that it is no argument to say we shouldn't allow illegals in because they commit crime. I don't get your point then.

truthuprootsevil said:
I didn't say illegals were supposed to get aid and wasn't saying that citizens shouldn't be at the top of the list.

Then why mention it?

truthuprootsevil said:
I believe I indicated this if not I'm saying it directly the majority of the US citizens think that those type of jobs is too low, to menial for them and will not do it. Jobs that the slaves did what did Trump call certain jobs /Black jobs.

Again what is your point in pointing out illegals do these jobs? How do you know Americans won't do them? Maybe Americans wont do them for the wages illegals will? If we get rid of the illegals maybe they would have to raise the wages to get Americans. Or at least the legal immigrants. It might actually force Congress to pass immigration reforms to allow legals in to work those jobs specifically.

truthuprootsevil said:
Forcing, funny how people who don't believe in scripture always use the word forcing, who have I forced to do anything. Churches Don't Force anyone to do anything they speak of what's written in scripture do all people follow it no, most people mess up and mess up big.

You were the one preaching how we as a country should follow scriptures. But I wonder if you really believe that or if its actually political for you. Because what I have found is so many who claim we should be taking in and helping people who cross our borders and want to use scripture as an admonition to do so, only want to use it for that purpose. They are not using scripture to support outlawing things that scripture says we shouldn't be doing.

You either want the governemnt to follow scriptural admonition on all things or you should keep it to yourself. The Bible is not a club only to be used for your pet political positions.

It is not a treatise for how government should operate. It was written to teach Chriatians how they ought to be in their personal lives and for how the church itself ought to govern itself.

truthuprootsevil said:
Actually in a court of law lying is out lawed - line to the feds is outlawed. Lying to cops you can get fined.

According to scripture we are not supposed to lie to anyone. Do you think we ought to follow scripture and ask government for laws against all lying.

truthuprootsevil said:
Homosexuality at one point was outlawed not that long ago, funny how you use this, why not outlaw cheating / why not outlaw adultery / why not outlaw disrespect for your parents / why not outlaw disrespect for your neighbors / which are other things that Bible speaks against but you chose homosexuality.

I used that to prove a point. That often those who want to use scripture for certain things are often politically motivated to do so and not really interested in being consistent. And homosexuality is a quick way to determine where they really are. In the past I have used adultery as an example as well. Don't get hung up on the fact I didn't list every sinful act. My point is bigger than that.

To be clear, when it comes to asking, wanting or supporting the governement in following a scriptural standard, then we should not use it only for certain things we want, but should use ALL of scripture and not just the pet ones we like. That goes for all of us. If I am going to say that we should outlaw homosexuality because the Bible says its bad, then I should also support big government welfare taking care of all poor. We either accept all of scripture being followed by government or none of it. Picking and choosing is political and hypocritical.

Pioneer3mm · 2025-12-10T07:55:55-0600

Interesting article..
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"..building self-sustaining churches led by local Christians
which are not dependent on foreign funds, foreign jargon
and foreign campaign."
- from the article.

Always in His Presence · 2025-12-10T07:47:47-0600

narnia59 said:
You have professed through Romans 10 that an individual has to make a conscious decision to believe in their heart and confess with their mouths to be saved.

That does not address the spiritual state of children who are too young to do so.

I think there are two choices:
1) All children are saved until they can make a conscious decision to be saved or not
2) No children are saved until they can make a conscious decision to be saved or not

So pretty easy, just pick #1 or #2, or provide another option I don't see.

I’ll be happy to address this in just a bit. I’m in transit right now.

In the meantime I have a Question for you.

How does a four month old repent?

Kathleen30 · 2025-12-10T07:47:18-0600

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Strong in Him said:
That's one of the things, yes.

God did not dictate a literal, detailed account of how he created the universe because a group of scientists wanted to know.
Instead, Moses, or someone, wrote 2 creation accounts. He wanted people to know that it was GOD who created. At the time he wrote it down, there were several other countries around him who all believed in a different god for a different thing - a god of the rain, a god of the stars, a god of animals, crops and so on. Moses said that there is only one God who created everything.
Also, Moses was not writing for scientists; he was writing for people who, I understand, thought in picture language. They did not know, or want or need to know, about atoms, gravity, astronomy etc etc.

And if you take these accounts literally, which do you believe?
In Genesis 1 God created male and female together; in chapter 2 he created Adam from dust and, a little later, created woman from one of Adam's ribs.
In chapter 1, God created humans and said "it is very good"; in chapter 2 he created Adam and said "it is not good for him to be alone."
Genesis 2 does not tell us when God created the trees, birds, the garden etc. There are also other countries mentioned in Genesis 2.

Yes that was the mix up the bottom section of your reply which read very much like a theory held by some scholars who believe that Genesis 1 and Genesis 2 are two complete different creation accounts. But You did not say that.

Tinker Grey · 2025-12-10T07:44:38-0600

@iluvatar5150 and @Larniavc, it's running slow for me too. As we're all in quite different regions of the world (I'm in TX), I suspect it's a site problem and not some intermediate service (unless we all end up going through one last gateway before reaching the site).

stevevw · 2025-12-10T07:42:51-0600

Stopped_lurking said:
Everyone knows stone can melt. Just saying stones can melt, is not proof that some ancient culture used it purposefully.

Are you kidding. I showed clear evidence of human created softened stone. It is supported by the research that these examples are human made and not some accident of nature. You are clearly ignoring the evidence and fobbing it off.

The snake shape is melted into the stone. See those little scoop marks. They are man made and not from grinding. See the glaze this is all over the indent showing the stone was softened and melted to create this into the stone.

Now where have we seen scoop marks before. Oh thats righ on the unifinished obelisk. Another piece of evidence ignored or fobbed off. Lets go through them each and see shall we.

Stopped_lurking said:
What stones in Egypt show vitrification? It happens naturally time to time from lightning strikes or accidental fires.

Just like the images I gave of clear machine like cuts which were ignored. I gave plenty of examples of melted and softened stone that was clearly not the result of anything natural or from some accidental lightening strike.

What is the use of even discussing this anymore when the evidence is either ignored or fobbed off without the same level of evidence demanded of myself.

For example I linked this example and this is one example they never acknowledge. Its fobbed off as explained by the stock standard answer that everything else is fobbed off in the othodoxy that it was pounded and ground out. Yeah sure the Egyptains just happened to create the exact signature of softened stone that happens to lokk exactly like the stone was softened. A good example of denting the obvious evidence.

If you think it was grounded and pounded to this shape than show me the peer reviewed evidence. Heck show me any evidence that this was the result of being ground and pounded to look like stone that has been softened and leaked between blocks.

So lets do one at a time instead of changing the goal posts and fobbing off the evidence without any support at all. What caused this signature. This is a block from the base of the pyramids in what some claim that some of the blocks were softened or cast instead of being cut or chiselled.

What does that lip represent. Is this some ancient grinding the stone to look that way. Or is this evidence the stone was softened. Its certainly has human intervention. Its not natural. The sharp corner is evidence of this. But why would there be a lip as though the stone was soft and it spread as it hardered under the weight between the blocks. In other words the softened stone spread into a gap between the stones and when they were pulled apart this was found.

If you think this is just one example there are many like this. Did the Egyptians go around creating lookalike signatures that happen to look like softened stone.

Factotum · 2025-12-10T07:33:45-0600

I wish I had saw your thread sooner. I would've made sure to experience that unique angle of the nativity ordeal.

Mercy Shown · 2025-12-10T07:33:22-0600

Mercy Shown said:
Yes, but we are called to preach the gospel, the solution to all problems. We are called to alieve suffering and injustice where we can. It is to be a personal private and direct hands on action. The problem for us is how do we define social Justice? For some it is paying restitution for slavery. For some it is vilifying a certain race or gender or both as oppressors. For some it is scapegoating other people for their own problems.

Once we identify true injustice we must ask what can I do for these people directly. And we should do it without public fanfare.

I absolutely agree that Christians are called to care about suffering and injustice—but always in a way that flows out of the gospel itself. Jesus sends us first and foremost to proclaim the good news that heals the human heart (Mark 16:15; Romans 1:16). The gospel is the root from which all true justice and mercy grow.

Scripture is clear that we are to relieve suffering whenever it is within our power to do so. Jesus praised the Samaritan who acted with practical compassion (Luke 10:33–37), and James reminds us that “pure and undefiled religion” includes caring for those in need (James 1:27). But the New Testament consistently portrays this as personal, humble, hands-on obedience—not public performance or moral grandstanding (Matthew 6:1–4).

And that leads to the real challenge: how do we even define “social justice”? The phrase means very different things to different people. For some, it means financial restitution for ancestral wrongs. For others, it involves vilifying whole groups as oppressors based on race or gender. Still others use it as a way to blame others for the problems of the world. These modern frameworks often go far beyond anything Scripture commands.

So the Christian question becomes simpler and more faithful: Where do I see real, biblical injustice—and what can I personally do for the person in front of me? When we discern a genuine wrong, our call is to act in love, quietly and sacrificially, just as Jesus taught. “Whatever you wished others would do to you, do also to them” (Matthew 7:12). And we do it without fanfare, because our Father “who sees in secret will reward you” (Matthew 6:4).

In short, the gospel is the solution, and compassion is our fruit. We preach Christ, relieve suffering where we can, and do it all with humility, sincerity, and love.

narnia59 · 2025-12-10T07:32:08-0600

RamiC said:
I am a High Church Anglican, married for over twenty years to a man who survived severe mistreatment at a Catholic boarding school run by The Society of Jesus in the 1950's. My husband has been offerred an in person apology from the current Provincial Superior, and he is intending to travel to London to meet him on the 19th of December, in order to receive it.

My husband and I would both appreciate the prayers of any Catholic members of Christian Forums regarding this meeting, for his protection (and my own) as we prepare and travel, and especially for his first encounter with any Jesuit since he left school. I will be going to London with him, but he has said that he wishes to actually experience the meeting alone. This is the bravest thing I believe I have ever personally witnessed someone doing for the Christian faith, and I trust that some who are seeing this post can understand how I hope my life partner will feel Jesus' love and see true recognition of past wrongs.

No judgement of your Church is intended by this post, my own has as much to be ashamed of in terms of letting God down over children entrusted to it's care.

God bless you both and many prayers for you and for those representing the Catholic Church as well.

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