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Man acquitted of stabbing by Portland jury — after victim said slur following the attack

The Oregon local paper makes mention of:
An Old Town stabbing case ended in defeat for Multnomah County prosecutors once jurors learned the wounded man had been videoed uttering a racist slur in the struggle’s aftermath.

Prosecutor Katherine Williams recounted the altercation differently, saying it was irrelevant what the wounded man said after the fact and that Edwards was always “in control” during the altercation.

“The defendant is not scared for his life. He didn’t retreat, he sauntered up — and he sauntered away after he stabbed someone,” Williams told the jury. “The defendant created the situation.”



Here's a non paywalled version of that article


Defense attorney Daniel Small said the most relevant evidence was recorded later, when security officers heard the wounded man shouting the racist slur and captured it on their body cameras as he described the incident.


That particular defendant also had 2 prior assault charges on his record, one of which was also for an erratic stabbing on a transit platform.

And even the dude's appointed defense attorney said that it was that it was the "most relevant evidence" that helped his case.
Now all you have to do is show that the guy was paid by George Soros and your argument will be complete.
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Jesus Christ and Santa Claus

I get asked when I "found out" that there was no "Santa" all the time, by people who regard it as an inevitable tragic moment in every childhood. These same people have children in their families who are being told the tale. Why do they do it? Why would you tell your own children this thing, knowing and expecting them to be distraught when they found out it is not true?

I was told that it was a puzzle that the grown ups were setting, and I should try to solve it. The year that I was 11 I announced that I thought I had solved it. I said that there is really a Saint Nicholas, who was known for giving gifts, but there is not really a flying sledge, he is not fat, and the red suit thing is an American cola advert. I figured it had been a fun game, I learned that Jesus was the entire purpose of Christmas as we do it at our house, and while we can quietly leave others to do things their own way, we should and did keep the most questionable Pagan and pointless materialist habits out of it. There was no sense of tragedy or betrayal there, it was more a small rite of passage. In a country where there are people who celebrate the Winter Solstice according to pre-Christian beliefs it was a lesson to learn.

We did also know an atheist family, they told their son that Santa was a game, which made perfect sense to him since he was always being taught to doubt everything that could not be proved with science, and Christmas in their home was a simple matter of stay away from all others and play games. He never had a moment of tragic, distressing enlightenment about it either.
Thank you for sharing your thoughts on this subject. Thank you for being kind.
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Charlie Kirk Didn’t Shy Away From Who He Was. We Shouldn’t, Either

Biden waited 3 and a half years before he took action to slow down the flow of illegal immigration at the border,
No, that excuse won't work, either...

President Biden’s immigration record from 2021–2025 combined an early shift to prosecutorial discretion and humanitarian programs with later, tighter asylum limits and accelerated removals: the administration issued prosecutorial-discretion priorities in September 2021 and carried out roughly 1.1–1.5 million deportations/returns through early 2024 while focusing removals on recent border crossers and public-safety risks [1] [2]. After Title 42 ended, the administration layered tools — CBP One, a “Circumvention of Lawful Pathways” rule, a June 2024 executive order setting deportation triggers, and limits on asylum between ports of entry — that substantially narrowed access to asylum and increased removals [3] [1] [4] [5].

Biden reversed Trump's policy of targeting people who looked Mexican, and ordered INS to focus on dangerous criminals. And it worked. By the end of the Biden administration, Texas data (Texas is one of the few states that keep data on immigrant crime) showed that illegal immigrants were much more law-abiding than are native born American citizens. That's why El Paso, the city with the largest number of illegal aliens, is one of the safest large cities in America.

but your posts are delusional when it comes to Biden and nobody cares what 150 so called experts rate the presidents.
It's telling that even republican historians rate Biden much higher than they rate Trump. Reality matters.
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Making a Video Game

Ah well God has raised many a fine mighty warriors in the Bible.
When I read the Bible, what I see is that none of the wars God waged had anything to do with the soldiers. ‘Not by valiant troops, nor by might, but in my spirit, says the Lord of hosts. Zechariah 4:6

In fact, God didn't even want them to think it was due to their mightiness that they won, because God was the one fighting for them. Then the LORD said to Gideon, “You have too many men for Me to deliver Midian into their hands, lest Israel glorify themselves over Me, saying, ‘My own hand has saved me.’ Judges 7:2

These righteous wars were either God's judgment on wicked people, or his delivering his people from their enemies... his enemies.

So, what wars are you fighting?
That is a question I would ask myself if I were playing FPS games.
In fact, when I was playing a turn based strategy game, shooting and killing aliens, and my brother was playing a FPS, hearing the gunfire, the slashing of flesh, the screams and groan, caused me to ask myself, 'What's the difference between what he is playing, and what I am playing"'
The only difference was third person, as opposed to firs person.

I stopped playing. Why?
I asked myself two questions:
  1. How does God feel about these games, and would I feel comfortable if Jesus came to my house and saw me playing these games?

    I did not have to guess at the answer. It was right there in Psalm 11:5 The LORD examines both the righteous and the wicked. He hates those who love violence.

  2. Paul wrote at Romans 2:21-24 21 you, therefore, who teach someone else, do you not teach yourself? You who [a]preach that one is not to steal, do you steal? 22 You who say that one is not to commit adultery, do you commit adultery? You who loathe idols, do you rob temples? 23 You who boast [b]in the Law, through your breaking the Law, do you dishonor God? 24 For “the name of God is blasphemed among the Gentiles because of you,” just as it is written.

    So, how can I be witnessing to people about what the Bible tells us about God, and at the same time not doing what it says? That's hypocritical.
That did it for me. I did not try to rationalize playing the games.
I know it's hard letting go pf the things in Satan's world. After all, he is a skillful bird catcher, and knows what the bird will enjoy nibbling on.
However, as I was saying in the other thread, it's really commendable that persons really make the effort to gibe up things they cherish, just to please God.

You sure you don't want to make a game instead?
Adventure games are fun.
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Jesus Christ and Santa Claus

That is a very nice post. I have mixed feelings about Santa Claus. The story has morphed in Europe from a Wild Man of the Woods to a fat little elf that brings gifts to children at Christmas by mixing him with St. Nickolas. If it stayed a fun little story for children that they were not expected to believe, I’d have no problem with it; however, Santa was key to commercializing Christmas and moving away from Christ. Children have enough trouble separating fantasy from reality, and adults should not make it harder. Since the true story of the birth of Christ is mixed with the fantasy of Santa, it is easier for children to grow up thinking that the Bible is myth and legend. We need to have seasons of joy, sharing, and celebration, and your pastor was probably trying to communicate that, but the idea that Santa is a personification of the spirit of Christmas has gone too far.
Thank you for sharing your thoughts on this subject.
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Judge orders Trump administration to halt warrantless immigration arrests in District of Columbia

The reason why this is being done is that Columbia is a sanctuary State protecting the illegals.
The US has no state called Columbia.
Just like in Waltz'z State Minnesota. I think you will now find similar problems in this State. Its all connected. The protection of illegals and illegal activity.
I don't think you have any idea what "sanctuary" means in this context.
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Man acquitted of stabbing by Portland jury — after victim said slur following the attack





A Portland, Oregon, jury has cleared a black man of assault charges for stabbing a white man — after it was revealed that the victim said the N-word after the attack.

Gary Edwards, 43, was found not guilty of second-degree assault after knifing Gregory Howard Jr., 43, on July 7, KPTV reported.

Edwards admitted to stabbing Howard Jr., but claimed it was in self-defense after the victim had used racial slurs, Oregon Live reported.

Both men are homeless and have lengthy rap sheets.

There is no audio on the video, but Edwards’ defense attorney, Daniel Small, told the jury his client was approaching Howard to see if he would trade his knife for cigarettes.


(I'm going to go out on a limb and say that this approach doesn't look like a guy who's looking to initiate a friendly bartering transaction)
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“The defendant is not scared for his life. He didn’t retreat, he sauntered up — and he sauntered away after he stabbed someone. The defendant created the situation,” prosecutor Katherine Williams told the jury.

Edwards, who was acquitted on Oct. 31, has previous convictions for attempted second-degree assault in 2021, and was sentenced to three years in prison for a separate stabbing at a Portland light rail station in May 2020.




Note to self: Don't get victimized in Portland, juries will look for any reason to let the perp off the hook if certain "conditions" are met.
This looks a lot like Post hoc ergo propter hoc. Got anything showing the acquitted because of the slur? It is implied by the news posts but we both know sensationalism sells.
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B flat B♭

What has binding or leading forth constellations of stars, or the fact that God is in charge of His creation, got to do with the shape of the earth? I am just asking, not arguing. :)

Nothing :)

I’ve given you that many times before but you just ignore it. Let’s start with the reflectors. How did they get to the moon?

Oh no not this again, ANSWER - There aren't any reflectors on the moon.
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Can a young child become a Christian?

What does Holy Scripture say?

Romans 10:8 But what does it say? “The word is near you, in your mouth and in your heart” (that is, the word of faith which we preach): 9 that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved.

10 For with the heart one believes unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

11 For the Scripture says, “Whoever believes on Him will not be put to shame.” 12 For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek, for the same Lord over all is rich to all who call upon Him. 13 For “whoever calls on the name of the Lord shall be saved.”

Paul does not mention age. If a person believes in their heart and confesses with their mouth, they are saved. It is the result of a conscious decision.
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The End Time Puzzle

Everyone has their own individual view/interpretation of End Times! God must be shaking His head!!
It is OK to speculate based on our current understanding of scripture but we should not make speculation doctrine. Many have made this mistake. As time marches on and more events happen this will add to our understanding. Eventually it will come to a point where we will know in advance what is going to happen. I do not think we have reached that time yet.
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Forgotten Customs of the Immaculate Conception

The Immaculate Conception is a dogma of the faith stating that Mary was conceived sinless in the womb of her mother, Saint Anne. While this truth has been believed since the early times of the Church, it was not until December 8, 1854, that Pope Pius IX dogmatically decreed this truth, thus ending any possibility of doubt. All Catholics are required to believe in this dogma without exception.

Dear Pete Hegseth, I’m Grateful the Japanese Navy Spared My Grandfather’s Life

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I suppose this is another fishing boat?
You're asking me because you don't know, do you? At least you managed to stop being mendacious long enough to post a picture of an actual boat that was blown to smithereens by the US military. Can't say I'm surprised that your previous faulty statements don't seem to weigh on your conscience enough for you to recant them.

We'll never know if this particular vessel was a drug boat since all the evidence has explosively vanished. All that is visible from the short grainy low resolution footage is a boat sitting still in the water. It is then promptly eliminated from existence.

The fact that it was sitting still is congruent with claims from the Colombian government that the boat piloted by fisherman Alejandro Carranza had sent out an S.O.S. after experiencing engine failure.

Colombia's President Gustavo Petro, a critic of the U.S. military presence in the Caribbean, has also claimed Carranza was innocent.

Petro said his crew suffered a mechanical failure at sea.

"The Colombian boat was adrift with a distress signal, its engine raised," Petro wrote Saturday on X. "He had no ties to drug trafficking. His daily activity was fishing."


The family of the Colombian man has now filed a formal complaint against US Secretary of War Crimes Pete Hegseth.


Do I believe the claims of the Colombian government? Not necessarily. Do I believe the US government? Even less. It's beside the point. This boat was sitting still in the water. It would have been trivial to apprehend the suspects. It was done to the boats from 2019 and 2023 in the your deceitful previous post. And those were actually moving at high speeds and not sitting dead in the water.

And if you claim you're at war with the narcos, then double tapping is a war crime. If you claim you're not at war it's just murder.

Don't even bother coming up with another grainy picture. It matters not. There is no defense for this.
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Are the Jews Israel, or is the church Israel? Or does it depend on the context of the passage?

God has no future blessings or promises to the people who claim to be Israel. Jesus informs us who they belong to; Revelation 2:9b
All -Jew and Gentile become the Spiritual descendants of the Patriarchs, by accepting Jesus. Galatians 3:23-29
I am aware that in the population of modern day Israel has many are Khazars . The number of true descendents of the ancient nation is unknown to me. Have you considered that in the second resurrection GOD will raise up the nation to flesh again and in that day keep HIS promise to Abraham regarding carnal Israel ? Paul did say that GOD has not written off these people but at some future time they can be grafted back into the olive tree if the do not remain in unbelief. Ezekiel 36 describes this time of restoration. The physical resurrection of carnal Israel may be described in Ezekiel 37 Since it is said that David will be king over them this must be at a future time after David’s resurrection. Romans 11:11-15 speaks of this life from the dead in the second resurrection. When discussing prophecy we should know that prophecy is like being in a dark room with very little light but as the light level increases more can be known. Doctrine is prophecy that has been fulfilled, like the prophecy of the first advent is now doctrine. Until more light shines or as more things are fulfilled the pieces will come together. This is one reason why Jesus told us to watch and we watch for the signs he gave us to come to pass. We also hear the words of the prophets and Apostles about these things. We must be careful to not go beyond what has been written.
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Now does everyone understand why the "right to refuse illegal orders" video was made?

Then, is this (below) just Trump's imagination and is not inline with real life thinking nor any veracious events?


They are not terrorist. You can cite the White House all day but that doesn't change the fact that we have never defined drug traffickers as terrorsist.
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Trump dispenses with trials, orders military strike on alleged Venezuelan drug-trafficking boat (Now up to 2, 3, 4...)

Still looks to me like there isn't as much concern over Narcos or a law being broken, as there is in hoping this can be used as a political weapon.
That describes the moral position of MAGA supporting Christians more succinctly than anything else in this thread.
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Judge orders Trump administration to halt warrantless immigration arrests in District of Columbia

The reason why this is being done is that Columbia is a sanctuary State protecting the illegals. Just like in Waltz'z State Minnesota. I think you will now find similar problems in this State. Its all connected. The protection of illegals and illegal activity.
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