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Trump suggests he’ll release Jeffrey Epstein ‘client list’ if elected: ‘I’d have no problem with it’

Kash Patel unloads all blame for botched Epstein probe onto ex-Trump official

“I know that there's a lot of talk about Epstein, and I'm here to testify that the original sin in the Epstein case was the way it was initially brought by Mr. [Alexander] Acosta back in 2006,” Patel said, testifying before the Senate Judiciary Committee.
The same Alexander Acosta that Trump rewarded with a cabinet position? That Alexander Acosta? Maybe it was a wise move; Acosta's sweetheart deal for Epstein meant a lot of things wouldn't become public.
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Eric Trump on Charlie Kirk’s Legacy and the Radical Left – “This Could Have Been the Greatest Mistake These People Have Ever Made” (VIDEO)

Here's a collection of photos of school shooters:
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The bad news is that the Supreme Court says that police can now racially-profile for certain law enforcement purposes.


Today's winner.
Not all pictured are “school shooters”.
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The Trump DOJ goes "woke" and will target free speech.

Go back and read what she said.
You are accusing conservatives of being hypocrites on free speech. I am telling you that terroristic threats of violence is not in that category of free speech. There are laws on that and the vast majority of conservatives agree. That is why you get arrested for making fake bomb threats. Have you ever heard of any conservative lawmaker complaining about first amendment rights violations because some prankster was arrested for a fake bomb threat? People get arrested for writing death threat notes to bot republican and democrat legislators without a single peep from anyone about free speech violations. Leftists are only shrilling because they have been getting away with it for years and have been emboldened due to lack of accountability and consequences. As a result, Charlie Kirk was killed.
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Trump federalizing DC police, deploying National Guard in capital crime crackdown

Trump calls for RICO charges after protesters shouted at him in DC restaurant: 'She started screaming!'

Trump was asked during a news conference in the Oval Office about an incident that occurred last week, where protesters shouted at him and members of his cabinet while they dined at a local Washington, D.C. restaurant.

During the news conference, Trump said he's asked Attorney General Pam Bondi to "look into" charging protesters and agitators under federal racketeering statutes.

"She was a paid agitator, and you have a lot of them, and I've asked Pam [Bondi] to look into that in terms of bringing RICO cases against them. Criminal RICO."

"They should be put in jail," Trump said. "What they're doing to this country is really subversive."
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Trump Orders Flags to Half-Staff for Charlie Kirk

Go look up what “protected class” means.

Not as a group. Bill of rights are individual rights.
The citizenry of the United States are not a protected group under the Constitution?
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Historical ICE raid in Georgia

It might be something like, "Sure we were only looking for these four individuals, but these other guys look foreign and didn't speak English sufficiently well, so..."
Over 400 agents participated in this massive event, and over 400 illegal workers were identified and detained.

Over 400 illegal workers were identified and detained. This was not a "we were looking for 4, so we arrested everyone who looked like them." THERE WAS OVER 400 IDENTIFIED ILLEGAL WORKERS! Trying to dismiss or downplay the sheer number of illegal workers is intellectually dishonest to the conversation.
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Trump says suspect in custody in killing of Charlie Kirk

Diversity is their strength!

And yes Kanye can be described as sketchy. He should be laying low and working out his stuff in private. Not bringing his Jew hate and Jew hating friends to the US presidents table.
You can tell people what they can do with their hate? Do I get to do that too?

(Seriously, I know less about Kanye than I do about trigonometry.)
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Does God want men to choose easy options ?

Actually, my own experience of "purity" doesn't match with what your exorcist said:

This is why i spoke with this metaphor of the piece of wood on the seashore, like a hope for no longer being pulled back toward the ocean (the sinning).

Indeed, when i succeed in making myself purer, i have to face more agressive temptations
we are in a spiritual warfare wether we want it or not. a lot of the bible is about that
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Trump suggests he’ll release Jeffrey Epstein ‘client list’ if elected: ‘I’d have no problem with it’

Kash Patel unloads all blame for botched Epstein probe onto ex-Trump official

“I know that there's a lot of talk about Epstein, and I'm here to testify that the original sin in the Epstein case was the way it was initially brought by Mr. [Alexander] Acosta back in 2006,” Patel said, testifying before the Senate Judiciary Committee.

Acosta would later say that he offered Epstein the plea deal because he was told Epstein “belonged to intelligence,” that the matter was “above his paygrade” and that he should “leave it alone.”

Can we have the files on that part?
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Kathy Hochul endorses Zohran Mamdani’s bid for mayor


In this particular instance though, it wasn't raises that drove it up, it was OT due to the fact that they scaled back their force by 2,200 officers (which was about 14% staffing reduction of uniformed officers)
See, this is why it's a good idea to link your sources initially, rather than selectively quoting without attribution.

Seems like it was both. The overtime increase was $100 million since 2019, per your article. Considering the decrease in officers, that means there were still significant raises during that period (which you should expect there to be) in order to make up the differential. Also consider that as salary increases, the cost of overtime increases, since overtime pays out at 1.5-2x (or more, depending on circumstances, sometimes) of the hourly rate. So the monetary cost of overtime isn't the best metric to measure it by. The article does not state how many hours of overtime were worked (relative to 2020), so it's hard to say for certain how significant the impact of reduced staffing on the actual amount of overtime worked was.
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Trump says suspect in custody in killing of Charlie Kirk

I am a MAGA Republican, and I never heard of the term until someone suggested that the shooter was one.
I heard of them years ago. They would show up and troll live speaking events with silly questions. Nothing to be taken seriously. I think they were a short-lived fad.
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Trump Orders Flags to Half-Staff for Charlie Kirk

But the person I replied to suggested MAGA is a group, but not a protected group. I think they are protected by the Bill of Rights.

Kirk was not a politician. We're talking about printing for the memorializing of a murder victim.
Not as a group. Bill of rights are individual rights.
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And one more scandal developing

The voters have given their verdict on the accusations against Trump.
Well. 12 of them did. Guilty. Not one charge. Dozens of them. And as you see, Mueller didn't indict him, only because the policy of the Justice Department is to not indict a sitting president.
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Trump Orders Flags to Half-Staff for Charlie Kirk

The issue there, again, was not “we don’t make wedding cakes” it was “we exclude your group from being allowed to have our wedding cakes.”
But the person I replied to suggested MAGA is a group, but not a protected group. I think they are protected by the Bill of Rights.
Incorrect, especially for printing businesses. They can refuse to print political action items.
Kirk was not a politician. We're talking about printing for the memorializing of a murder victim.
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Trump says ‘we have to beat the hell’ out of ‘radical left lunatics’ after Kirk killing

Pam Bondi Shows Katy Tur Was Right on Trump Weaponizing Grief

Kirk’s death became instant fodder for partisanship. Katy Tur’s much-malignedquestion on MSNBC — whether President Donald Trump might use the assassination “as a justification for something bad” — was clumsy in its timing and drew harsh criticism, even from me.

But the events that followed suggest that while she was premature in asking about how it would play out in terms of policy, she has been proven absolutely correct in her premise.
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The Conjunction of Opposites

Yes, in the beginning of life in the flesh for mankind this is true.

Satan has no flesh body. It's an adverse antiChrist spirit
Genesis 3:15 "And I will put enmity between thee and the woman], and between thy seed and her Seed; It shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise His heel.

But the verses in Ezekiel, Isaiah, Job, etc before that make it clear he was perfect -without blemish until iniquity was found in him.
Obviously not perfect by the time of the garden event.
And I see you continue to cherry pick certain verses leaving out the rest of the parable. Only a portion had the seed stolen from them. Some of it fell on good ground therefore not stolen.
I've always said as Jesus taught us, that man shall live by every word of God. Not just the ones we like, which is what you're doing. Matt. 4:4, Luke 4:4, Deut. 8:3
No, that is not my claim. Only that at the present time it's much easier for mature Christians to resist his spirit When he's here disguised as that angel of light that's when we need to have the full gospel armor on and in place if one is here during that time period.
Point being the tempter and his own operate within mankind.
You need to know the difference between living in sin/habitual sin and missing the mark/falling short. No one is without sin but there is a difference.
You're merely looking at the external act of sin. IF the tempter operates within, then the worst sinner who has been involved within inserting that temptation, and it really doesn't matter much from that observation. Every sin is technically within, because of that bad actor, not because of your external act of sin, or lack thereof.

You can subscribe to the fantasy that your sin is better than the other people's because it's not overt, but your less than overt sin really has nothing to do with sin and Satan, if you follow the logic.

Satan isn't any less the sinner in anyone.
Case in point, you pointed out 1st John 3:8 but fail to see verse 7 for what it is and we can tie both together so we can see the difference.

I John 3:7 "Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as He is righteous."
I don't ascribe any sin to the person, just so you know, per Paul, 2 Cor. 5:19

That does NOT mean sin's are not counted. They are counted against devils.
I John 3:8 "He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that He might destroy the works of the devil."

John is making the distinction but you cannot.
You only want one side of the equation but not the other is all. Why would you have any problem condemning the tempter in you or anyone else???

In fact why don't you see that condition in others to begin with???

Why don't you admit you're tempted internally by the tempter and then this one sided good word only game might stop.
Believe me, no one will be able to drag Satan along with him when they're standing in Judgment.
You mean like this?:

Zech. 3:1-3
And he shewed me Joshua the high priest standing before the angel of the Lord, and Satan standing at his right hand to resist him.
And the Lord said unto Satan, The Lord rebuke thee, O Satan; even the Lord that hath chosen Jerusalem rebuke thee: is not this a brand plucked out of the fire?
Now Joshua was clothed with filthy garments, and stood before the angel.

No Satan in the picture? Guess again.

Contrary to what you want to believe Jesus showed us all that Satan and devils were in mankind, period.

That hasn't changed. All have sin. Sin is of the devil. Paul himself had a devil in his own flesh, 2 Cor. 12:7 and had temptations in his flesh and mind. Romans 7:7-13, Gal. 4:14

So, yes, it's never just you or I or anyone else involved in these questions. It's us and the adversary and or his own
Who's making excuses? Show me where I provided any excuses? He's a dead man walking so to speak bound for the Lake of Fire.
I may have mistaken you for a Christian universalist, which I am, who actually loves our neighbors as ourselves.

My apologies.
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6,000 Years?

The Light God saw that He called Day before the Sun.
Hello Platte, I hope you are doing well. Here are my thoughts on the 'Glory of God'.
If we look at Revelation 21:23, what do we read? "The city has no need of the sun or of the moon to shine on it, for the glory of God gives it light, and the Lamb is its lamp."

This passage tells us that there will come a time when the created light sources—the sun and moon—are no longer necessary because God Himself will be the light.

When we consider this in light of Genesis 1, we see a parallel. On the first day of creation, God said, "Let there be light," and there was light (Genesis 1:3). The sun, moon, and stars were not created until the fourth day (Genesis 1:14-19). The Bible is not silent here; it is the chronological order of events that reveals the truth. The first light was not from a created object, but from God's own glory, just as it will be in the New Jerusalem.

Therefore, this is not a doctrine I hold to simply because it is required; it is a theological inference drawn directly from scripture's own testimony about God being the source of all light, both at the beginning and at the end.

I hope that helps explain my perspective. It's a topic I'm passionate about (all topics about God's glory that is), and I'm glad we could discuss it here.

Have a wonderful day/night.
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