dogs4thewin said:

I wonder what will happen if the government stays shut down for a couple of weeks after the election as that would likely mean that the idea of the "blue wave" being the Republicans fault and thus voting for democrats in a sense "failed" as people at the state and local levels are not the ones controlling the shut down anyway How would people who voted for the democrats BECAUSE of the shutdown react?

This would particularly be the case if 1-1-26 gets here and the healthcare credits run out in which case the democrats would basically "lose" by default in as far as getting what they wanted while the government was shut down for at LEAST a quarter of the year.

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A government shutdown no longer significantly affects U.S. elections; last night's results were driven by the past 10 months of American politics, not the shutdown.

NY City; It is unlikely that Mamdani will be able to fulfil half his campaign promises, as certain initiatives fall outside the scope of authority granted to a city mayor. But , Republicans will portray him as the Democratic figurehead for the next few election cycles.

VA and NJ:

In the 2024 election, nearly 49% of Hispanic and younger voters backed the GOP—a shift that was a wake-up call for Democrats. However, last night, 65% of Hispanics and voters under 30 supported Democrats, wiping out GOP gains in VA and NJ. It remains unclear if this trend will continue nationwide.

In Georgia, Peter Hubbard and Alicia Johnson will be the newest members of the state's five-person public utility regulator after earning roughly 60% of the vote. It's the first time Democrats have won a nonfederal statewide office there since 2006 and one where soaring energy costs and displeasure with incumbents dominated the race.

Mississippi Democrats have broken a GOP supermajority in the state Senate after flipping two seats in that chamber plus another pickup in the state House.

For the first time in a half-century, Democrats control the Onondaga County legislature that includes Syracuse, N.Y. Democrats saw a city council seat in Charlotte, N.C., switch parties for the first time since 1999.

While Democrats are celebrating their recent victory, it is important to keep in mind that the mid-term elections are still a year away and circumstances may shift considerably before then. Additionally, this outcome only reflects voting patterns in a few states, rather than across the entire nation. Developments in Virginia may differ significantly from those in Arizona.

If inflation decreases and economic conditions improve next year, voters who previously supported President Trump may choose to vote for the GOP in the mid-term elections, potentially extending the Trump administration's agenda for another two years.

Republicans should pay attention to whether their own voters are satisfied with the country's direction, not just focus on criticizing Democrats or tracking their approval ratings. They often overlook the concerns of those who elected them.

The GOP base and MAGA supporters are expected to back their candidate in the next mid-term election regardless of economic conditions. However, this alone may not secure national or statewide victories. Key groups—independents, 20%-25% of Hispanic voters, and about 20% of youth who moved toward GOP in 2024—may not align with Trump's agenda, and if the GOP loses their support, they risk losing the election.

SabbathBlessings said:

Where does it say in the Bible to follow earthy “fathers” over our Heavenly One?

Isa 8:20 To the law and to the testimony! If they do not speak according to this word, it is because there[a] is no light in them.

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So it’s ok when your side posts them but not ok when I post them? That’s just grand.

Apple Sky said:

I agree, but they did teach an unmovable stationery earth plus a firmament with the sun, moon and stars set in it.

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They did not. It’s symbolic and poetic language.

dogs4thewin said:

I wonder what will happen if the government stays shut down for a couple of weeks after the election as that would likely mean that the idea of the "blue wave" being the Republicans fault and thus voting for democrats in a sense "failed" as people at the state and local levels are not the ones controlling the shut down anyway How would people who voted for the democrats BECAUSE of the shutdown react?

This would particularly be the case if 1-1-26 gets here and the healthcare credits run out in which case the democrats would basically "lose" by default in as far as getting what they wanted while the government was shut down for at LEAST a quarter of the year.

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A lot of people dont pay attention to politics outside of election years and many don't think who is in charge will affect their day to day lives.

The shutdown has forced people to pay attention. The GOP had structured the BBB so that the worst of it took affect after the midterms, but divine timing has caused Americans to see the affects immediately so they can discern truth from lies.

The GOP can try to paint this anyway they want, but it's American citizens, not undocumented people who are getting informed their ACA premiums will sky rocket. It's their power bill that has gone up. Their grocery prices. The farmers in their community losing farms and committing suicide as a direct result of Trump and his policies that are supported by a GOP who won't reign him in. Its American citizens or their friends and families they will need helping out because they lost SNAP benefits right in time for the holidays, while the president is partying and bragging about his marble bathroom. Their friends, family, co workers, landscapers and nannies being snatched by ICE. Their cars that are being repossessed. It's American citizens who have lost jobs, and they know it even if this administration wants to hide job reports and reports on food insecurity. People have also been through shutdowns in recent years and know not getting SNAP is a new thing to pressure dems.

Most dems just want to see dem leadership have a backbone and not cave. They want to see some fight. Americans are not going to be mad at the party FIGHTING for THEM, simply because their gamble didn't pay off.

In fact, if dems fail, that's even more incentive to vote for them to oust the GOP because if dems get power again they will try to fix things so people can afford their healthcare again.

Dems always get power back when America needs a janitor to clean up after the GOP. So, no I don't think dems will get blamed or "lose" if the GOP doesn't have sense enough to come to come to the table and the shutdown continues. In fact, recent rumors that Jeffries and Schumer might make a deal without.a guarantee of getting what they were fighting for with the subsidies has angered a lot of dems.

HARK! said:

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They all share one belief in common. They all claim to be led by the "Spirit."

We are called to test the spirits.


(CLV) 1Jn 4:1
Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see if they are of God, for many false prophets have come out into the world.

How do you test the spirits?

I use the Deuteronomy 13 test.

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Your denomination is but one among the so called 45,000 which you know is a bogus number anyway. Is your church led by the Spirit? Are you? I know I am.

Btw- there was no Spirit at the time of the writing of the Torah so the Deut. 13 “test” that you claim is not credible or pertinent to the Christian church.

prodromos said:

And so from your misunderstanding of what you are looking at here, the sun is barely a mile away? Is that what you think this proves?

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Don't be silly

HARK! said:

Episcopalian- Bishop Seymour, -Why We Keep Sunday. "We have made the change from the seventh day to the first day, from Saturday to Sunday, on the authority of the one holy Catholic Church."

"The Catholic Church, . . . by virtue of her divine mission, changed the day from Saturday to Sunday."- The Catholic Mirror, official publication of James Cardinal Gibbons, Sept. 23, 1893.


Peter R. Kraemer- Catholic Church Extension Society (1975), Chicago, Illinois. "Regarding the change from the observance of the Jewish Sabbath to the Christian Sunday, I wish to draw your attention to the facts:"1) That Protestants, who accept the Bible as the only rule of faith and religion, should by all means go back to the observance of the Sabbath. The fact that they do not, but on the contrary observe the Sunday, stultifies them in the eyes of every thinking man."2) We Catholics do not accept the Bible as the only rule of faith. Besides the Bible we have the living Church, the authority of the Church, as a rule to guide us. We say, this Church, instituted by Christ to teach and guide man through life, has the right to change the ceremonial laws of the Old Testament and hence, we accept her change of the Sabbath to Sunday. We frankly say, yes, the Church made this change, made this law, as she made many other laws, for instance, the Friday abstinence, the unmarried priesthood, the laws concerning mixed marriages, the regulation of Catholic marriages and a thousand other laws. "It is always somewhat laughable, to see the Protestant churches, in pulpit and legislation, demand the observance of Sunday, of which there is nothing in their Bible."

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Actually there is patristic evidence from the first and second century where the early church was worshiping on the first day of the week. Examples are the Didache (70ad.), The Epistle of Barbanabas (74ad), Ignatius of Antioch (110 ad), and Justin Martyr (155ad) among others. I can post the wording if you wish.

Early Christians ( most probably) observed Sunday worship as testified to a letter of someone named Barnabas ( not Paul’s associate) which was written between 70 and about 135 AD. However Barnabas is viewed, it testifies to early Sunday worship in its 15th chapter.

From the end of the 15th chapter:

Barnabas 15:8
Finally He saith to them; Your new moons and your Sabbaths I cannot
away with. Ye see what is His meaning ; it is not your present
Sabbaths that are acceptable [unto Me], but the Sabbath which I have
made, in the which, when I have set all things at rest, I will make
the beginning of the eighth day which is the beginning of another
world.

Barnabas 15:9
Wherefore also we keep the eighth day for rejoicing, in the which
also Jesus rose from the dead, and having been manifested ascended
into the heavens.

dogs4thewin said:

I am confused if it is open enrollment, BUT the credits expire at the end of the year then does that not mean that the credits are still in place at this current time? In other words, it would seem that if someone were to enroll and then between now and the end of the year the credits were to expended would they not get the benefits of the extended credits?

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No. The credits apply to the new policy which takes effect in the new year.

dogs4thewin said:

On the other hand, if January 1st rolls around with no deal then he credits are gone and at that point would they not have to reinstate the credits if they were going to still have them

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The credits are gone now. This is what the fuss is about. Yes, they would have to reinstate them or they aren't there.

Apple Sky said:

Well they must have knew about sun & how it shines down.

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And so from your misunderstanding of what you are looking at here, the sun is barely a mile away? Is that what you think this proves?

Michie said:

No it doesn’t but I know you like the last word so I’ll leave it to you.

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Thanks. . .

Ideology = manner or content of thinking characteristic of an individual or class.

My manner of thinking is characteristic of Christians.

JimR-OCDS said:

Yeah, but Ghandhi had some issues that are rarely mentioned. One was that he slept naked with naked
young girls to test his strength against temptations. He was criticized for this and other acts by Christian
leaders.

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BTW I believe this was in the book written by William Shirer, who was an American journalist who followed
Ghandhi throughout most of his career in India.

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Cosmic Charlie said:

Mama Cass system?

(Getting smacked in the head during an acid trip and gaining a half octave in voice range? Sorry that's a REALLY obscure reference)

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So, you didn't accept my correction it seems.

To forgive is a virtue, but not part of Cosmic Charlies modus operandi.

ICE should take the following steps.
Eliminate quotas
Wear uniforms
Stop targeting sanctuary cities.
In fact, make sanctuary cities the only place where illegal immigrants aren't deported.
Then those cities can enjoy all the benefits that illegal immigrants bring, like lower crime and more tax revenue (supposedly)
The people seem to want them there so give the people what they want

dogs4thewin said:

maybe so but some people were saying that the government would open after the election, so if it still takes weeks then did the election really have the effect that many hoped/suggested?

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We don't know yet. Had the wave been red rather than blue, the Democrats would be more inclined to admit defeat, but now it appears that the voters want affordable healthcare and food benefits.

HARK! said:

Episcopalian- Bishop Seymour, -Why We Keep Sunday. "We have made the change from the seventh day to the first day, from Saturday to Sunday, on the authority of the one holy Catholic Church."

"The Catholic Church, . . . by virtue of her divine mission, changed the day from Saturday to Sunday."- The Catholic Mirror, official publication of James Cardinal Gibbons, Sept. 23, 1893.

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The Catholic Church is free to make that claim, but it is easily found to be a fraud.

HARK! said:

Peter R. Kraemer- Catholic Church Extension Society (1975), Chicago, Illinois. "It is always somewhat laughable, to see the Protestant churches, in pulpit and legislation, demand the observance of Sunday, of which there is nothing in their Bible."

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I agree fully with that statement and would add that, according to New Covenant requirements the same is for demanding one observe the Old Covenant Israelite Sabbath.

dogs4thewin said:

so you would be OK if that holding fast ended up in time running out AKA January 1st 2026 coming with no deal which again would mean that there would STILL be no deal and Americans would still "lose" healthcare which they were fighting to avoid the whole time.

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Why would I be OK with that when I just said the opposite? Time has already run out as people go to renew their plans. There is no deal now. Why would there be a deal if government were to reopen? Republicans getting everything they want with the Democrats getting nothing does nothing to ensure a deal; quite the contrary.

You know that the time running out is purely in control of Congress - they can extend the open enrollment window if they choose to as they are the lawmakers.

BNR32FAN said:

But it does have everything to do with atonement for sin, which is where the problem begins.

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No, it doesn't. Purgatory is a where you clean up before you get into Heaven. You don't go striding into God's Presence stinking and covered in filth. So you have to stop off and get cleaned up. Not all that hard a concept, really. Then again, maybe having done farm work when I was growing up that left us filthy and malordorous, I know how granny would have greeted us if we'd come clomping into the house after mucking out stalls or some such without having at least hosed off first.

Maybe this idea is just too hard for lifelong city folk to grasp.

keras said:

You all will after it happens,

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After what happens? The scroll/basket nuclear missile which was taken into Babylon is a nuclear weapon that will be used by Iran and used to blow everyone else to smithereens?

Right.

Bob S said:

The writings by the early church can be enlightening and/or controversial, Scripture, if one takes the time to read without preconceived beliefs, will prove we are not under the dictates of the ritual laws of the Old Covenant. That covenant was for Israel only.

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.Yahshua was commissioned for none but Israel.

(CLV) Mt 15:24
Now He, [Yahshua] answering, said, "I was not commissioned except for the lost sheep of the house of Israel."

The covenant is with Israel.

"For this is the covenant which I shall be covenanting with the house of Israel after those days," the Lord is saying: "Imparting My laws to their comprehension, On their hearts, also, shall I be inscribing them, And I shall be to them for a God, And they shall be to Me for a people.

Notice that he tells us that those in covenant have the Torah written on their hearts.

Partisan gerrymandering needs to be illegal for everyone.

But thanks to a Republican supreme court, here we are.

Hentenza said:

That is also correct. That is why being or walking in the Spirit allows the Spirit to both guide, correct and and convict the believer.

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They all share one belief in common. They all claim to be led by the "Spirit."

We are called to test the spirits.


(CLV) 1Jn 4:1
Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see if they are of God, for many false prophets have come out into the world.

How do you test the spirits?

I use the Deuteronomy 13 test.

The writings by the early church can be enlightening and/or controversial, Scripture, if one takes the time to read without preconceived beliefs, will prove we are not under the dictates of the ritual laws of the Old Covenant. That covenant was for Israel only.

Those who use 1jn3:4 to prove sin is defined by the Ten Commandments need to read the rest of John's chapter. In verse 19 we read: 19 This is how we know that we belong to the truth and how we set our hearts at rest in his presence: Reading on to the end of the chapter, we find what John was referring to in verse 4. It reads: 23 And this is his command: to believe in the name of his Son, Jesus Christ, and to love one another as he commanded us. 24 The one who keeps God’s commands lives in him, and he in them. And this is how we know that he lives in us: We know it by the Spirit he gave us.

Thank you, John, for giving us the real truth for how to lead the Christian life. Love is a most powerful word.

Concerning the OP, I would like to once again explain that there is no command by God telling Gentiles we are under the ritual commands God gave to only one nation, Israel. Contrary to what some like to tell us that the Sabbath command was a law concerning morality, as with all of the laws concerning all of the Israelite high days, they were all ritual or ceremonial.

Was there enough at stake this time to call this a "wave"?

I do think tho that people are realizing that some culture war victory fluff pales next to the economic instability people are feeling. Not just the bottom 50% who have it worst, but also business people who have no idea what rules theyre playing by from one month to the next.

ThatRobGuy said:

Nick, in particular, seems to be a subscriber to "Racialism" (which he claims isn't the same as racism, but there are some similar practical effects)

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That's just like a WWII-era term for racism. No different. It's what Churchill used to describe the beliefs of the Nazis, so Nick is not helping himself there.

ThatRobGuy said:

He basically believes that different races are born with different innate immutable psychological traits that make certain behaviors more likely. So for instance, Fuentes would suggest that a Jewish person is born with a "built-in" desire for wanting to accumulate political and economic dominance, and they can't help it anymore than a person can help whether or not they're 5'3" or 6'1"

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Sounds like the kind of science you could invent without ever cracking open a single book. But perhaps he's right, or partially right. I don't know.

ThatRobGuy said:

But the rationales I was referring to were that the political horseshoe that exists for Israel stems from "We don't want our money going to fund this other nation and having to play the role of carrying their water for them"

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They're different. That's not what the left cares about. And I've never heard any conservative chanting "From the river to the sea."

ThatRobGuy said:

Where the reasons diverge is in the aspect of the "America First" types not wanting our money to be used by anyone but ourselves, as where the left's is more of a "colonizer vs. colonized" lens.

But the same core sentiment is there for both, which is "Our politicians seem to walk on eggshells around Israel and take orders from them, and we don't like it"

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That's not what the left cares about.