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Is anyone here also member of worthy christian forums?

Peace to you in Christ.

I was curious about this, because I'm sort of stuck, I had an account there (one that I didnt want to close) but I had good reason to do so and shared the same with one of the mods concerning (as to why I wanted to close out a majority of active forums I was on) all but this one (because I have been here the longest). But I couldnt get the email delivery system to quit there instead of getting a delete I wanted to have a ban placed on my account (which worked for me) at least until the time I could give an all clear on something other (which is another story) but I also wanted to change my email in relation to same because I didnt want forum emails.

But anyway, to shorten this up, I cant get back in that one (not even by any of their contact lists) they just arent working for me to do so.

So I was looking for a member here (that might also be a member there that I might even know of there) to perhaps drop a quick note to one of the mods I had spoken with there to get that lifted.

If anyone from there (is also a member here) and can help, feel free to PM me.

If not, thanks anyway, although I thought I would ask first though, couldnt hurt.
i belong there
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Exercise with Chronic Conditions or Disabilities

I want to give an update.

My symptoms that were affecting my mobility have improved.

Since last posting about it I started using nerve pain medication and a muscle relaxer. I've learned to alternate between periods of activity and rest throughout the day. I often need to take a break between tasks, but doing so helps me. My balance, coordination, and overall strength has gotten better.

I'm still using the walker outside the home. I am having an increased amount of fatigue, which could be related to seasonal increase in anxiety and depression that I usually experience during winter months.
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Why Is It So Hard for Christians to Talk About Justice and Greed?

The message did not remain the same . The Kingdom of the Father was abandoned as the gentile church aligned itself with the world of man. Two opposing ideologies cannot exist as one and it certainly wasn't the Roman Empire that lived by the two commandments.
Sure it did, to one who knows church history-along with knowing their own, personal, failings. There are times when church members/leaders behaved badly, as peope will, while others behaved execellently. Those behaving badly didn't heed chruch teachings, certainly not the teaching to love. But the teachings themselves were good. There's a principle involved, related in Matt 23:2-3

“The teachers of the law and the Pharisees sit in Moses’ seat. So you must be careful to do everything they tell you. But do not do what they do, for they do not practice what they preach."
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Can a young child become a Christian?

I’m one of many who would disagree.
at some point, replies like this become a waste of forum bandwidth and only decrease the ability of anyone else reading the thread to understand what anyone is talking about.

for what its worth, i agree with everything ain't zwingling in post #78.
Neither a credo nor paedo? I am wasting my time here. Sorry for wasting your time also. I aplogize.
whats left if you aren't either of those?
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Tim Walz Vows to Bring More Somalis to Minnesota, Despite Growing Fraud Scandal Reaching Into the Billions

So?

So?

It’s not up to them.
I believe that if we have immigration policies that appear to be what it looks like you want that nations will lose their cultural identity. Is that what you want?
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Tim Walz Vows to Bring More Somalis to Minnesota, Despite Growing Fraud Scandal Reaching Into the Billions

Do you mean those who aren’t Christian? The US does not discriminate based on religion. Right?
That is NOT what I said, nor is it what I meant. Don't put words in my mouth that I didn't say.
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What should we preach in these last days?

I find plenty of inspiration from reading the church pioneer writings (and SOP). Bible Readings for the Home is a good book to look at. I also have a (non-SDA) book written in 1846 (my version is 1913) called Five Hundred Sketches and Skeletons of Sermons. Old Christian books from the 1800's are chock full of ideas.

By far the best idea generator for me has been answering questions on Christian forums (especially Reddit's #christianity subreddit, as it has a constant stream of questions). People from all walks of life ask questions about Christianity, so it makes for unique Bible study opportunities each time you set about answering a post. Even though I may have answered the same question many times, I always start fresh with a new post and Bible study. In studying scripture anew each time I learn new things. I save all of my posts and notes so that I can refer back to what I've learned. I've been posting on Christian forums since 2018, and I have hundreds of documents that cover a wide variety of topics, some covering the same topic, but from multiple angles (because I start new each time). This then is essentially like having several hundred sketches and skeletons for potential sermons, but from my own studies.

I'm not an elder though, so I can't speak to actual sermons.
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Tim Walz Vows to Bring More Somalis to Minnesota, Despite Growing Fraud Scandal Reaching Into the Billions

There are lots of cultures all over the world that live in sinful practices.
So?
There are also cultures of people who have immigrated to nations without assimilating to that nation.
So?
Perhaps Christians in America should be more careful as to whom we invite into the USA. Perhaps Christians in every nation ought not invite people whom won't assimilate into that nation.
It’s not up to them.
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144k & Who They Are

The 144000 are the elect Christian saints. The church is GODS Israel, the Israel of GOD. The church is the olive tree in Romans 11 from the root to the branches. Remember the Gentiles are grafted into the olive tree, the church. The people in Hebrews 11 are the root of the olive tree in Romans 11.

Discussion is 144k

144k are mentioned twice in scripture. Rev 7 & 14

Rev 7:4-8 clearly says tribes of the children of Israel/Jacob & then names Jacob/Israel's sons/

Tribal identity was tracked by genealogy. The OT repeatedly shows that tribal membership is determined by physical bloodline. Rev 7 cites the literal tribal descendants of Israel/Jacob.

Num 1:18: they registered by genealogy, by families, by fathers' houses, by Tribes!

Ez 2 & Neh 7: people who could not prove their genealogy were excluded from priestly & tribal identity.

Jos divides the land by tribal inheritance, the 12 Tribes are literal bloodline families. Traced through the sons of Jacob.


Rev 7:4-8 In the context John identifies the 144k as physical descendants of Israel/Jacob.

In Rev 1:4-11 John repeatedly uses the word Church/ekklesia. He never uses church for the 144k in Rev 7 or 14.


Rev 14:4 calls the 144,000: "the firstfruits" unto God & to the Lamb.”

This language is directly lifted from the Lev 23:9-11 wave offering. They are the first portion of a larger harvest. They are set apart & presented to God.

The category itself is Israelite, because the firstfruits offering (practiced this resurrection foreshadowing every Passover week for over 1400 yrs) was tied to Israel's land covenant (each son of Israel/Jacob received a portion).

Calling the 144k "firstfruits" supports their identity as literal Israelites & not the Church.

The Matt 27:52-53 verses shared, has these OT elect firstfruits that rise from the grave (after Jesus) & are seen by many.

Come out of the grave BEFORE there is a church. Jesus rises then 50 days later comes the Acts 2 Pentecost, where the Church via the Holy Spirit outpouring in born.
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