Must a proper EO consider OOs to be heterodox?
- The Ancient Way - Eastern Orthodox
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are heretical and heterodox not considered the same?
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If we did like you we would be engaging in the most blatant form of confirmation bias.I mean technically I am claiming noting myself. I am arguing for the data linked and that it is what it claims. Others that want to refute that would need to do like me and find some sort of published work or do it themselves and publish it.
Metric | Value (mm) | Equivalent (µm) | Meaning |
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Median circularity RMS | 0.6737 | 673.7 µm | Average deviation of each slice from a perfect circle |
Median concentricity RMS | 1.0533 | 1053.3 µm | Average deviation of slice centers from a common vertical axis |
Combined √(C×C) | 0.8424 | 842 µm | Overall symmetry quality factor |
Observation from Heatmap | Corresponding Numeric Evidence | Interpretation |
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Deviations up to ±100 µm | Circularity RMS = 670 µm | Local vs global scale difference — same asymmetry source |
Non-mirrored bulges and distortions | Concentricity RMS = 1.05 mm | Axis misalignment of similar magnitude |
Uneven color zones at neck/base | High RMS values | Consistent with shape drift and non-uniform curvature |
General green with red/blue streaks | 0.8 mm overall P value | Sub-millimeter irregularity confirmed |
Thanks for the response.Just to add, not that you don't already know, but God is a Just God as well, executing righteous judgment.
Jesus once said:
29 And if thy right eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members "should perish", and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell. (And Perish)
He doesn't say, pluck it out and feed it to the ants, or torture it forever. It's better that just one of your eyes perish, than the entire body, seems to be his point.
In like manner, in my understanding, giving a rebellious, ungrateful and disobedient person, who call Jesus Lord, Lord, the right to eat of the Tree of life and receive immortality, and then inviting them to dwell among, influence and disrupt the perfect righteousness which will be the Kingdom of God, would defile the Kingdom, bring chaos and sin back to His Kingdom. It is better for God to follow His Own instruction, and cast this offending person out, than to leave it, and allow it to infect the entire Kingdom.
40 As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world.
41 The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity;
42 And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.
As some have mentioned compared to the early church which is really the hallmark of Christianity in practice being put to the test has become compromised and comfortable.Sadly, I think in most Western churches, there is little desire to go out and share the Gospel with the lost. Most believers focus on making friends with unbelievers, then inviting them to church in the hope that they might hear the Gospel there.
This approach has weakened the Church. Many people now fill the pews not because they’ve come to the foot of the cross, but because they’ve come for friendship. A few may hear the Gospel and experience a true heart change, but most simply attend, enjoy the community, and then spend the week trying to invite another friend to church, and the cycle continues. The church grows in number but not in strength.
I think just as the culture and society is becoming more anti God and Christ I think this is when Christians should be like the early church and be even more Christ like as a counter. In fact it is inevitable. It is in the times when Christianity is hated and persecuted that Christians are greatest. Thats when we see the true Christians come out. They put their faith on the line.That said, I do believe there’s a place for friendship evangelism, but it should never be our main focus. We should always share the Gospel with our friends before inviting them to church. Our primary calling is to proclaim the Gospel. When we speak boldly, and people hear and are transformed, then they will want to come to church. That’s how the Church is filled with true believers rather than unbelievers seeking friendship. And if we share the full Gospel, both the bad news and the Good, with our new friend, and they reject it, then they won’t want to come to church. In that way, we avoid filling the Church with weeds and instead keep it a gathering for those who truly desire Christ.
I have been thinking about this and how word and actions or rather disposition are different. Clement of Rome mentions the greatest Overseers were the ones who spoke little but were Christ like. Christ was like this. He did not speak often but lived His teachings. So when He did speak people believed and knew He was telling the truth.People are watching us, and so we should do good deeds. It becomes a good witness. But this still does not replace the fact that we need to speak the Gospel. The Gospel is a spoken message. How shall they here without someone to tell them?
Our actions substantiate what we know and believe. And we can either be a good or a bad witness.
If we do bad things, our word becomes compromised, and people will be less likely to believe what we say. The opposite of this is when we act in love; this will lend credibility to our word. For example, in a court of law, if you have 2 people with conflicting testimonies, one is a prostitute, and the other is a doctor. The doctor is the one most people would believe, as his word is not compromised by his deeds, like the prostitute's. He is a good witness.
So, your actions validate what you believe, and then, when you do say the Gospel, people will be more likely to believe what you say.
But when doing good deeds, we must not forget to share the Gospel. We need to share the Gospel by speaking it. Our good deeds are not the power of God unto salvation. They only give us an opportunity to share, and they give our words credibility. Then, when we do say the Gospel, it will give glory to God.
Yes exactly as to what I was alluding to above. But at the same time I think it has come to a situation where the Christian does not have to do anything wrong and is already condemned as a hater causing trouble or a hypocrite. Just the mention that Jesus saves is enough to trigger some. Or the mention that God created them man and women in marriage is seen as hate speech.Another example. If I were talking to someone downtown and a passerby heard me use God's name as a curse word, that would not be very good. Then, if I were to go to a park a few days after this and say the Gospel to that same passerby, my words that I say have been tainted because of my previous conduct. He would think to himself, "This fuller does not even truly believe himself because he uses his own God's name as a curse word." So, I am therefore not a good witness. My actions did not bring Glory to God. Instead, they were a disgrace. Our actions substantiate our words. Therefore, bringing Glory to God.
Yes and I think there are many ways Gods works. It may be that you work with the disadvantaged and the last thing they want to hear is the gospel. Rather some food in their belly and shelter and all that. But then they wonder why is this person so loving and kind. They open up and the opportunity comes as God makes it.So, love our neighbour by caring for their needs. But also, love them enough to warn them of the condemnation that they are under. It would be unloving to know of God, everlasting life, Judgement, death and the way out, and then not to tell people of it. Love by deed and word.
I think I will continue trusting what God says in His word about apostles.In 65 AD 11 may have still been alive of the 12 that included Matthew. Or maybe less, church tradition tells us where the apostles died but not exactly when. Many can witness Christ's resurrection, and some are apostles by God's design.
Another one of your statements with no evidence. Against your notion that nobody has gone farther from earth than a low earth orbit, we have the accounts of those who have travelled in space rockets, including the testimonies of some who either became Christians before they went, or, like Charles Duke, afterwards.Sorry I have to disagree - Nobody has penetrated the firmament, low earth orbit is the furthest we can go.
Yes. Paul mentioned circumstances in which a spouse deliberately denied sexual intimacy with their spouse, killing another human being for self defense or as a consequence for certain crimes. Specifically, the adulterous woman whom Jesus forgave, both in a situation in which sexual sin was made, yet the penalty of death was graciously waved. That is one example in whish both sex and killing was shown grace.And those would include sex and killing. Under certain circumstances they become rape and murder. Relative to those circumstances.
Since I know I won’t get a straight answer out of Always I’ll just talk to you instead.No. I do not.
I asked you first.You first have to answer my question so I know we are talking about the same Republicans.
Certainly. `And I saw the dead, small and great standing before God, and books were opened. And another book was opened which is the book of life. And the dead were judged according to THEIR WORKS, by the things which were written in the books.` (Rev. 20: 12)Thanks for responding and with a scripture!!! - appreciated!
So those who have never heard of Christ are judged according to their works? I don't read that in the scripture you provided, can you point it out for me, please?
You first have to answer my question so I know we are talking about the same RepublicansStill not seeing a direct yes or no.
Still not seeing a direct yes or no.Yeah, facts get so messy, it could disturb a narrative.