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Chesterton · 2025-11-10T22:31:57-0600

Warning - some incidental profanity.

I may have a dark sense of humor. I'm not into DEI, I believe in the merit system. If the fish thing had turned out to be a good musician, I'd say let it live. Since it didn't, I think it would've been pretty funny if the guy had ended the video by eating Tako.

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johansen · 2025-11-10T22:29:00-0600

rebornfree said:
That's a fair point. I'm just worried that teaching it as literature misses the point of the gospel and misses God's love.

well, its a secular college.

they are likely prohibited in various mechanisms from teaching anything other than what can be scientifically studied....

PloverWing · 2025-11-10T22:15:07-0600

Welcome to CF! :wave:

Bradskii · 2025-11-10T22:14:37-0600

BPPLEE said:
Well maybe it's his own fault but some criticize everything he does just because he's the one doing it

Maybe you want to reword that. You just said some people criticise everything he does for no reason. Maybe you can throw one or two examples out and we can investigate.

HARK! · 2025-11-10T22:11:45-0600

Hentenza said:
Great verses but spoken to Israel not the church. The church is not Israel.

The word "Church" appears nowhere in the Greek manuscripts.

I already showed you the etymology of that word.

Now let's seek the truth.

https://biblehub.com/greek/1577.htm

(CLV) Lv 4:13
If the whole congregation of Israel, they should err inadvertently and the matter is obscured from the eyes of the assembly, and they do something departing from any of Yahweh's instructions of what should not be done, and they realize their guilt

(CLV) Num 15:15
As for the assembly, there shall be one statute for you and for the sojourner sojourning with you. It shall be an eonian statute throughout your generations. Like you so shall the sojourner be before Yahweh.

One assembly, one Israel, and no double standard, forever.

Again, Yahshua came for none but Israel.

Again, he renewed covenant is with Israel.

Yah said it. I believe it; and dogma was nailed to the death stake.

Fervent · 2025-11-10T22:08:19-0600

Bradskii said:
From here: National Survey Finds Just 1 in 3 Americans Would Pass Citizenship Test - Institute for Citizens & Scholars

'Only one in three Americans (36 percent) can actually pass a multiple choice test consisting of items taken from the U.S. Citizenship Test...'

As only 2 in 3 people vote, that would reduce the voting block to just 24%. To be honest, it would be a lot lower because the actual test is not multiple choice.

And from here: Partisanship by race, ethnicity and education

'The Democratic Party has a 13-point advantage (55% vs. 42%) among those with a bachelor’s degree or more formal education.'

But those who didn't make the grade can take heart, because he 'loves the poorly educated'. Ahh, bless him....

I don't view politics through the petty partisan lens. It's not about heroes and villains for me, or my team vs their team. I find both loathesome most of the time, and my complaints about the cheap cost of the electorate apply to both sides and more has to do with how lttle the electorate settles for than anything.

Bradskii · 2025-11-10T22:05:04-0600

Fervent said:
Anyone who can't pass a basic civics class, and possibly the citizenship test.

From here: National Survey Finds Just 1 in 3 Americans Would Pass Citizenship Test - Institute for Citizens & Scholars

'Only one in three Americans (36 percent) can actually pass a multiple choice test consisting of items taken from the U.S. Citizenship Test...'

As only 2 in 3 people vote, that would reduce the voting block to just 24%. To be honest, it would be a lot lower because the actual test is not multiple choice.

And from here: Partisanship by race, ethnicity and education

'The Democratic Party has a 13-point advantage (55% vs. 42%) among those with a bachelor’s degree or more formal education.'

But those who didn't make the grade can take heart, because he 'loves the poorly educated'. Ahh, bless him....

rjs330 · 2025-11-10T22:02:00-0600

durangodawood said:
What we all need is for gerrymandering to be illegal across the board.

Agreed. But then certain groups would complain they are being discriminated against. I would seriously do a grid system with equal square miles.

rjs330 · 2025-11-10T21:59:04-0600

The Barbarian said:
Yep. And republicans are horrified and offended. "You're doing the same crooked things we're doing! NO FAIR! WHAAA!!"

Democrats were horrified and offended. "You're doing rhe same crooked things we're doing! NO FAIR! WHAA!! We are going to change the laws so we can do it more!"

Look, I don't really care myself. Its been part of the process for Democrats and Republicans forever. Now someone wants to be upset? Give me a break. Democrats-"You're doing what we've been doing so we are going to raise a stink!"
Republicans-"No You're doing what we are doing, so we are going to raise a stink!"

Neither side has a leg to stand on and certainly does not have the moral high ground. They are both rolling around in the mud equally.

camille70 · 2025-11-10T21:58:12-0600

FAITH-IN-HIM said:
Unlike other issues, neither the media nor political parties can control the economic narrative, especially regarding inflation, because every voter experiences it firsthand. Whether buying gas, shopping, or dealing with job loss, people directly feel the state of the economy, making it impossible for any party to shape this narrative.

As a proponent of free-market capitalist, I believe government intervention only harms the economy rather than improves it. The Trump administration's tariffs have damaged economic growth, and added inflation to stay up, while removing them could help, it may be too late for significant recovery before November 2026.

The GOP is confronting several challenges. Notably, youth voters who supported the GOP in 2024 appeared to shift back to the Democratic Party during the last week election, as did Hispanic voters. President Trump made significant gains among Hispanic voters since 2016; however, results from Virginia and New Jersey indicate that the GOP lost nearly 25% of its Hispanic support in those states. While it remains uncertain whether this trend will continue in other swing states such as Arizona, Nevada, or Georgia, it was evident in New Jersey and Virginia.

Hispanic voters’ decisions were influenced not only by economic concerns and inflation, but also by immigration policies. Exit polls suggest these policies are a deeply personal issue for many Hispanic Americans. Millions of Hispanic American citizens are affected by immigration policy through family members who are not U.S. citizens or permanent residents. Many Hispanic communities are closely connected, often including both documented and undocumented individuals, making their experiences intertwined and inseparable. President Trump’s immigration policies have had a substantial impact on these communities. While some may discuss law and order from a distance, for Hispanic Americans these policies are personal, and they have responded by voting for Democrats in at least three states.

Historically, during mid-term elections, the White House typically loses seats to the opposition party. This pattern has been consistent throughout decades of American politics. The question for 2026 is the extent of losses that the GOP may experience, as well as what developments might occur following that year. If the economy rebounds, President Trump could receive recognition for this change. It remains uncertain whether Hispanic voters or younger will come back to GOP as they did in 2024.

They aren't losing Hispanics because they are wanting to deport undocumented people. It's the enforcement mechanism where citizens are getting caught up for simply looking Mexican. Also the administration lied when they said they weren't against legal immigration. They are targeting permanent residents, green card holders and asylum seekers who are following the process. They disregard legal paperwork. Even if someone gets released after a few days or a week, they can experience abuse, unsanitary conditions, job loss, children abandoned and the fear of not knowing what happened to missing people. Damage to cars. Towing costs. It's a mess.

9Rock9 · 2025-11-10T21:56:32-0600

I hold to the ANE view and theistic evolution, so idk if I'd call myseld a creationist in the normal sense of the word.

I'm not opposed to some form of intelligent design being taught in schools, just not the Ken Ham version. In other words, teach that some people believe that the universe was created by a higher power, or that God guided the process of evolution, but don't delve into the specifics.

redraven · 2025-11-10T21:56:00-0600

Hello all,

I’m new to this forum and from Canada. My profile lists my age as 45, though I am actually 40. I joined out of curiosity—to engage in online debate, discussion, and learning, as well as to use this as a social outlet.

I want to share a bit about myself. I try to make the best of my situation, though I do face challenges—mainly isolation. I receive disability benefits due to an autism diagnosis I received in my early 30s. I share this as a factual part of my situation; it is not something to debate, and I hope it is understood as context rather than judgment. I do view my diagnosis as a subjective medical opinion and view myself as having higher functioning autism.

I am aware that some perspectives, including certain Christian views, may frown upon using social assistance. For context, I was a contributing member of the economy for nearly 20 years before needing support. I also have intellectual property—original music, a TV script—and other talents that simply aren’t utilized today because I receive disability benefits. This is not a choice or a fault of mine; it reflects my neurology and circumstances, which are beyond my control. I hope this is understood rather than judged.

Despite challenges, I have held many positions in my lifetime, including being a professional musician for approximately 10 years. One of my primary goals is to find more meaning, to improve my income, and to become healthier socially by forming meaningful connections.

Currently, I am involved in a discrimination dispute with an employer. I was rejected from an interview after sharing my autism diagnosis. While the case is moving toward conciliation and I am confident in my legal position, the dispute has resulted in a loss of income and thre social benefits associated with employment for over a year. I try to focus on what I can control and remain optimistic about the outcome. The fact it has dragged on for over a year and may be even a few more years before any outcome is realized is something which bothers me. While it is an unfair situation, I am sure I will achieve a favourable outcome. The only issue is it will take a long time. I won't get justice today, and maybe not even within a year.

I have many interests: human rights issues, physical fitness (I used to run competitively as an amateur with moderate success), creative arts (I have composed original music), and learning about the stock market. I am curious and enjoy learning about a wide range of topics.

I do not view myself as a Christian, though I see value in learning about different faiths. For me, meaning comes from lived experiences and meaningful social connections. Like many people with autism, I experience isolation and unemployment. The vast majority of people with autism are unemployed, unfortunately and this is supported by statistics.

In summary, I am grateful for what I have, aware of my challenges, and focused on thriving. I hope to meet new, well-intentioned people and form meaningful relationships.

Fervent · 2025-11-10T21:52:54-0600

Hans Blaster said:
Then this "real sense of he word wrong" you want doesn't exist. I should note that if you base your morals on the pronouncements of a god or God, it is still subjective as it is dependent on the mind of a being. (Unless you'd like to attribute those positions to a mindless or non-being version of god.)

A being, but an objective being. But it's not the pronouncements that I base my sense of morality on but the nature.

Hans Blaster said:
You are looking for a bedrock to attach morality to, but there is none, god or not. Even bedrock is just floating on the fluid mantle. The whole planet is full of mushy rock.

Nope, I'm just pointing out that relativism/subjectivism doesn't have the tools to establish that something that should readily be condemned by any system that can be called moral. I'm not looking for a bedrock, just pointing out that there is a massive inconsistency in humanist approaches.

Hans Blaster said:
I don't how you would formulate it philoslopicly, but the notion of "ought" seems to be an illusion. Plenty of people realize it and we are doing fine.

As any good nihlist should affirm.

Hans Blaster said:
I have no interest in moving you from belief. We don't need nihilists.

Sure, but facing the reality of nihilism is far more consistent than pretending that morality exists while denying it reality.

Hans Blaster said:
Church morality, god morality, whatever it is you think is the subjective source of morality.

The nature of God is not subjective.

HARK! · 2025-11-10T21:51:30-0600

Hentenza said:
Nothing to reconcile. The verse plainly teaches that the righteousness of those charged with teaching and keeping the law is not very good. But with Christ our righteousness abounds.

The Pharisees were never legitimately charged with teaching the Torah. Yahshua was. He taught us to keep the Torah.

9Rock9 · 2025-11-10T21:51:01-0600

I am also a recent convert to the ANE view, and an old earth Creationist before that.

I read on Biologos that you actually can think the days of Genesis 1 were actual 24 hours while still affirming the scientific consensus on the age of the Earth and the evolutionary process. This is because the creation account of Genesis 1 is concerned with function creation (assigning roles and purpose to objects) rather than material creation (ex nihilo.)

Thus, while the earth may be billions of years old, and mankind 10,000 years old or whatever, it only took God seven days to prepare his cosmic temple.

I'm personally undecided about whether the days of Genesis 1 are literal, long periods of time or poetic, but I also don't think it particularly matters.

Bob Crowley · 2025-11-10T21:50:59-0600

"Celtic Worship" are always worth listening to. They're a Christian Scottish group.

"Be Thou My Vision" is a traditional Irish hymn.

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Fervent · 2025-11-10T21:33:49-0600

Hans Blaster said:
Bring back the old literacy tests or something.

It is clear we need a "right to vote" amendment.

impropriety in previous implementation doesn't make it a bad idea. If someone can't read, they're not making an informed vote. Why should people who have no idea what the issues are have a say? That's a recipe for oligarchy, especially with the cheapness that most people sell their vote for.

Akita Suggagaki · 2025-11-10T21:30:58-0600

Paving the way for Ghislaine Maxwell so we all wont be quite as appalled.

Chesterton · 2025-11-10T21:30:14-0600

Larniavc said:
That’s not odd at all. Asking someone about their medical health is NOT a polite thing to do.

Did you mention that you were neurodivergent upthread?

No.

Larniavc said:
I think some of the issue may be your obvious blind spots to what is weird and what is acceptable socially.

You’ve mentioned behaviours that I would consider boundary breaking several times; maybe that is why the guy wants to maintain a distance.

Has this ever happened to you before?

Speaking of blind spots...you said I'm weird in your first post. Fair enough, I asked for that. But you've reiterated it umpteen times in this thread. The overkill is unneeded. That seems to me a behavior you might want to consult with one of your colleagues about. While you're at it, ask one of them what personality defect exists in a man who so desperately wants people to think he's smart that he calls himself "so smart" under his avatar.

FireDragon76 · 2025-11-10T21:24:38-0600

BCP1928 said:
Too late. The Christian Right have hijacked the Gospel to bring social order, not social justice. It looks like Marx was right about Christianity after all.

Billy Graham and other similar preachers did quite a bit of damage by preaching a message of salvation that was individualistic in that way.

It's not a widely known fact but Graham was largely anti-union and anti-solidaristic, and I'm more inclined to agree with Catholic social teaching that the ability to form unions is a basic right of workers, and that when people attack the rights of laborers to collective representation and bargaining, they are committing a sin.

Tigger45 · 2025-11-10T21:09:24-0600

Hail Mary,
Full of Grace,
The Lord is with thee.
Blessed art thou among women,
and blessed is the fruit
of thy womb, Jesus.
Holy Mary,
Mother of God,
pray for us sinners now,
and at the hour of our death.
Amen

Chesterton · 2025-11-10T21:09:08-0600

Isaac the Recluse said:
1984 was studied only by those who stayed at school after age 16 and who chose to study English. So at least 2/3 of students wouldn't have covered it.

Is the book part of the public discourse nowadays? I mean, it seems it would have to be, when you can serve prison time for a single tweet, and get arrested for saying you like hot dogs.

Chesterton · 2025-11-10T21:03:09-0600

Larniavc said:
"I'LL STOP CALLING THIS ADMINISTRATION "ORWELLIAN" WHEN THEY STOP USING 1984 AS AN OPERATIONS MANUAL" -Op-Ed Columnist: Get Me Rewrite!: February 6, 2004 OP By PAUL KRUGMAN

"Seventeen years later than expected, 1984 has arrived." -Bush's Orwellian Address: Happy New Year! It's 1984 Published on Saturday, September 22, 2001 by CommonDreams.org by Jacob Levich

"As President Bush wages his war against terrorism and moves to create a huge homeland security apparatus, he appears to be borrowing heavily, if not ripping off ideas outright, from George Orwell. The work in question is 1984, the prophetic novel about a government that controls the masses by spreading propaganda, cracking down on subversive thought and altering history to suit its needs. It was intended to be read as a warning about the evils of totalitarianism -- not a how-to manual" -Learning To Love Big Brother by Dan Klutzman (Washing Political Correspondent) July 2002

My intent here is not to pick on the U.K. Public video surveillance is everywhere these days. But I had heard about London even in the early '90's, I believe. I thought it strange that that would come about in the land that gave us the story about a world where there was even surveillance inside private homes. I was wondering if Orwell's writings were still relevant, or have been forgotten over there.

We have "thought crime" in the U.S., but I do have to say that when it comes to thought crime, ya'll are way ahead of the game, right up there with North Korea and China, IMO.

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