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Emergency abortion denials by Catholic hospitals put woman in danger, after her water broke at 17 weeks, lawsuit claims

Are you hoping that’s the case? I think their position is largely influenced by their overseers. The invisible hands behind the monolith. I’ve never believed politicians were running the show. Including the president.
Ok so you have identified that there is some power or motivating factor that can force the State to adhere to certain ideologies or agendas. So the State is never neutral and can either be beholden to certain ideaologies from individuals and groups they side with. Or just their basic ideology as a party is antagonistic to opposing beliefs as we have seen in the culture wars.

They may descriminate against certain groups and deny funding merely because of a disagreement of ideological beliefs. Not facts or science or the truth about whats best. But merely because they don't like the other groups beliefs.
I know what you’d like me to say but I can’t. The bible provides enough examples about christian’s place in the world and our hardships. Why we exacerbate the latter is beyond me.
Are you saying that Christians or Christian organisations who may be descriminated against should accept that descrimination as part of the hardships they must endure. Say nothing.

I understand that we must not get into culture wars and make Christianity political. Like some sort of theocracy on earth through political or worldlly power. That is more or less becoming the world.

But where is the line. To what extent can a Christian organisation exist in the world without being the world. Maybe thats why I think Christians should be offering help for free. No strings attached and no obligations to anyone but God. But then they will still have to abide by the worlds ideologies.

Peter and Paul say Christians should be subject to the authroities even if they are unjust. Be Christlike and submit even if its unfair as the good example will turn people to God.
Someone suggested that was the case in a previous post.
I am not sure. If this is the case then it must be that people are assigned certain areas or health carers that are in their area. Like schools. So maybe that is the only hospital in her area. But then how can the hospital refuse to treat her if its suppose to be her care facility. \

Its also weird that a person would want to go to a hospital that could have actually caused her death. I would be staying well away lol. She would have to be at some other hospital now as she needs to be treated. I don't know.
There was a time when I contemplated running a charity. But I decided against it for many reasons including the above.
I mean setting up your home kitchen to cook meals for the needy is one one. But even then you have to be careful as it gets to a point where you have to start worrying about registrations, workplace health and safety ect.

But people still do it. They cannot help but start grassroots movements in helping others. They try and keep it quiet and do it in the background. I know of many who are driving round at night with meals and blankets helping those on the streets.
Nothing in the world is free. Including charity. Someone must earn the means or create the resources you dispense. It doesn’t fall from the sky.
Yes and thats those more able. A big cost is labor but as Christians doing it for no return helps a lot. This is how social welfare began with organisations like the Salvos. What you notice is that its infectous and then others come out and donate and want to help. It can be done for little money.
Given the level of litigation in our society and the malpractice insurance rates they pay. I’d assume there‘s profit involved even if it appears otherwise. It’s a risky business.
Obviously if your going to work with others you have to have some minimal costs like insurance and any State fees. But musch can be done with volunteers. I mean are not Christians suppose to help others like the Good Samaritan. Pool all their resources and help the poor. Even going without themselves.

Otherwise Christianity becomes just another version of corporate society in the world.
How do you intend to do that? Or what have you done? I’ve noticed a pattern on the site concerning this subject. You only quote the bible and say what should occur. But I rarely hear personal tales. It’s kind of odd.
First forget about what anyone has done. Either the bible is correct or its not. Christ and the disciples are clear. We are to help the poor even if that means sacrificing our own place in the world as far as riches and comforts. So it doesn't matter what others do as its a truth teachings.

MOst people agree Christians have become too comfortable with one foot in each world. Unlike the early church which proves its possible. We just forgot and the world has overtaken.

But ultimately the worlds suppose to hate Christ and Christians. So it doesn't matter as a true Christian will be called to stand up and suffer anyway. As for myself I try to help as much as I can. I am disabled so I cannot do a lot. But any work I have done has been to help others and now I volunteer as one of those free workers that helps run a organisation that helps the disadvantaged. I could do more.
@Carl Emerson posed a question along these lines and I responded to the thread. My answer was based on something I drafted for myself concerning patronage and the direction I want us to take in our household. When the desire to give is deeply felt you do things like that. You don’t speak in platitudes or wag your finger. You put things in place and act.
I think principly Christianity is not something that is always felt. Like the person has to feel in the mood for giving or helping. I think its a duty and even when we don't feel like it. Its something we have to make a priority even over our choices of work and personal investments ect that will create some nest egg and empire in this world.

Now I know this is incredibly hard especially in a consumer, modern tech and material world. But that is the aim. It will depend of course on family commitments as the bible says we have to first look after our family. How can we help others if we cannot look after our own family. But as a family that can make us stronger as a group to help others as well.

But its hard and ultimately its up to each individual and what they believe is right for them in their situation. But definitely I think we are to give up the world as much as we can and trust God.

Otherwise I think there will come a time where just being a Christian in this world will be too hard for many because by nature this world hates Christians and one way or another whether they voluntarily sacrifice themselves or not. They will suffer if they are truely standing with Christ.
I’m not suggesting you‘ve done so with your post but it’s something I’ve noticed. And I‘ve been in circles where philanthropy is the norm and joined an organization known for its generosity in my twenties. I wasn’t walking with the Lord at the time but my commitment to patronage was great.
It is natural for people to help others. But Christians are suppose to do it in secret. NOt tell others. As then it becomes about self rather than God. Theres a new phenomena called PC and social marketing which is all about the organisations social imprint and how this itself is now a marketable aspect of business in scoring brownie points in the eyes of society.
I mentioned the value of a moral compass earlier and your comment has me weighing it once more. Many of the things I do aren’t on account of my faith. I don’t need the bible to tell me to give, live decently and so on. The desire to do so is already there. Perhaps that‘s why christians struggle so much. You’re working against your nature. It’s easier to follow the current than swim against it.

~bella
I find desire is a feeling that can come and go and hard to maintain. Whereas as a principle helping others is a duty. A fruit that tells us we are in Christ and not of the world. Ultimately sacrificing ones life for another for no return. Which goes against human feeling and instinct.
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Mississippi School Homecoming Celebrations Turn Deadly as 8 People are Killed 20 Injured in Separate Shootings

High school homecoming celebrations in Mississippi ended in gunfire, with two separate shootings on opposite sides of the state Friday night that left at least eight people dead and many more injured, authorities said.

Six were killed in downtown Leland after a high school football homecoming game in the Mississippi Delta region on the state’s western edge, according to the county coroner. On the east side of the state, a pregnant woman was among the dead, Mississippi Gov. Tate Reeves said.

Some 20 people were injured in the gunfire after people gathered in the downtown area following the game...

Meanwhile, police in the small Mississippi town of Heidelberg in the eastern part of the state are investigating a shooting during that community’s homecoming weekend that left two people dead.

Both of them were killed on the school campus Friday night, Heidelberg Police Chief Cornell White said.


Another look at the moon landing.

Wrong. Do not assume things that have no evidence.

Rather - instructions for the well-to-do (rich): BE GENEROUS taking care of the poor, do not increase their suffering nor lower or forget their wages. Do not pay a few in excess of what they rightly earn, do not take from the poor to increase the rich.
What does this have to do with the topic of this thread? And why are you attacking me?
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Men now surpass women in church attendance, especially among Gen X, millennials: Barna

Did He not say from beginning to end to put His will first?
And it is clear in The Bible how to rule. The Instructions from the Creator are plain, and neither men nor women obey.
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Another look at the moon landing.

By your logic any program that is not directed at the poor is not scriptural. That’s why I responded nonsense.
Wrong. Do not assume things that have no evidence.

Rather - instructions for the well-to-do (rich): BE GENEROUS taking care of the poor, do not increase their suffering nor lower or forget their wages. Do not pay a few in excess of what they rightly earn, do not take from the poor to increase the rich.
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The Schumer Shutdown

Trump, “Nobody knew healthcare was so complicated.”

Well, maybe some people knew.. like almost everyone but the stable genius.
The great hoax ..... so complex that no one can grasp it, and it is impossible to change it for good.

Treating symptoms in order to increase problems is not helpful nor healing with almost no exceptions.

The methods of healing that were once known were made federal law illegal and difficult if not impossible for people to 'legally' be healed. On purpose, wicked sinful men designed the system for profit and for control.
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Catholics must respond to AI threat to authentic, human communication, Vatican says

Pope Leo XIV has put a spotlight on the risks of artificial intelligence in his choice of theme for next year’s World Day of Social Communications, as the Vatican emphasizes the important role of Catholics in media and AI literacy.

The pope’s choice of theme for the 60th World Day of Social Communications 2026, published Monday, is “Preserving Human Voices and Faces.” The day is celebrated every year on Jan. 24, the feast of St. Francis de Sales, patron saint of journalists and writers.

The Vatican’s explanatory note emphasizes the risks of AI, including that it “can generate engaging but misleading, manipulative, and harmful information, replicate biases and stereotypes from its training data, and amplify disinformation through simulation of human voices and faces.”

The theme of the World Day of Social Communications was released as the Vatican’s communication department is struggling to stem the tide of “deepfakes,” false images and videos of Pope Leo XIV saying and doing things he did not say or do.

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These are legitimate concerns about abusive misuse of AI. Part of what I’m trying to do with my research is create an ethical approach to AI which is radically different from how most people presently use it, in response to the concerns raised by Pope Leo XIV. AI is only good if it is anti-humanizing, something which promotes rather than detracts from the sacredness of the imageo dei.
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Does reality pass the Turing test?

Would I let it vote? Only if Elon Musk selects the team who designs it

That said I’m not a huge fan of Grok 3 compared to its competitors from chatGPT - it was faster but had a number of limitations. However in all fairness I have not had a chance to evaluate Grok 4.
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10/7/23 Anniversary Hamas Attacked Israel

I think a moral critique of the US' actions in some cases is worthwhile. That said, I have a hard time comparing US actions in Japan (atom bombs not withstanding) with the Israeli military's actions, historically, in regard to Palestinians--and especially the current Gaza situation.

If US soldiers deliberately shot and killed Japanese children and unarmed combatants, and if they were ordered to do so by our leaders--then the appropriate redress would be having those responsible tried for war crimes in international court.

As a Christian it is unconscionable to use love of nation or national identity as a means of deflecting from the Christian moral obligation of respecting and honoring the Divine Image in every human being.

Do I think what the US did to Japan compares to what Israel is doing to Gaza? Not even remotely.
But if there is a fair comparison, then that means condemning US actions; not sanctioning Israel's actions.

-CryptoLutheran
You’re missing the point brother. The issue here is war. Hamas attacked Israel which premeditated the war. This is fact. Hamas did not return the hostages which extended the war. Hamas hid themselves and their weapons among the people which created casualties. The root cause of the death in Gaza is Hamas not Israel.

As far as the US war with Japan there are many parallels here. But what is not there is the media reports blaming the US for the destruction in Japan and inflaming the weak minded against the US. Many people in the US has drank the kool aid with regards to Hamas propaganda machine which includes quite a few of the liberal media outlets in the US. In many cases there is no independent source of casualties in Gaza other than the Health ministry controlled by Hamas. The liberal folks in the US have been caught on that lure.

I don’t think that, as a nation, Israel had much option in not attacking Hamas in Gaza just like the US did not have much option in attacking Japan in Japan. I think the condemnation of Israel is not warranted but perpetuated by those of the liberal persuasion that hate the conservative government of Netanyahu.
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