RamiC said:

May I refer you to this - All posts within this faith community must adhere to the site wide rules found here (Community Rules). In addition, if you are not a member of this faith group, you may not debate issues or teach against it's theology. You may post in fellowship. Active promotion of views contrary to the established teachings of this group will be considered off topic. Fellowship posts can also include statements that are in alignment with beliefs of the given denomination, even by non-members. They cannot include debate or non-beliefs. - because this is the
Scripture,Tradition,Reason-Anglican & Old Catholic forum.

With respect.

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Trying to hide behind forum rules to avoid rebuke? Okay, but that criticism is not going to disappear when a church falls into apostasy.

Aldebaran said:

If they truly felt confident, they wouldn't need to form a "union", which is often simply a mob meant to bully their employer into things that puts them out of business, and the employees out of jobs.

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You'll be OK. The National Guard has shot unionists before. I'm sure they can be made to do it again.

Aldebaran said:

Confidence means being able to stand on your own two feet and take your skills to a different job if you're so confident.

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What a load of horse cobble. Confidence means knowing your labor has value, wherever you work.

durangodawood said:

Basically, when characters in shows deal with real life situations where politics currently intrudes, thats "activism".

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Seems like it.

SabbathBlessings said:

According to Scripture God's laws makes up God's character. So if God is telling us what is righteous Psa 119:172 which means moral, and His laws reflect His character, which we are to become like the character of God. Either we have His character written in our minds and hearts, or we are serving another master. Rom6:16

If we are removing God's laws from our hearts and minds, which reflects the character of God- whose character are we replacing His with.


God is Good:
Luke 18:19 So Jesus said to him, “Why do you call Me good? No one is good but One, that is, God

God’s law is Good:
Romans 7:12 Therefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy and just and good.

God is Holy:
Isaiah 5:16 But the Lord of hosts shall be exalted in judgment,
And God who is holy shall be hallowed in righteousness.

God’s law is Holy:
Romans 7:12 Therefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy and just and good.

God is Just:
Deuteronomy 32:4 He is the Rock, His work is perfect;
For all His ways are justice,
A God of truth and without injustice;
Righteous and upright is He.

God’s laws are Just: Romans 7:12 Therefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy and just and good.

God is Perfect:
Mathew 5:48 Therefore you shall be perfect, just as your Father in heaven is perfect.

God’s law is Perfect:
Psalms 19:7 The law of the Lord is perfect, converting the soul;
The testimony of the Lord is sure, making wise the simple;

God is Love
1 John 4:8 He who does not love does not know God, for God is love.

God's law is Love:
Romans 13:10 Love does no harm to a neighbor; therefore love is the fulfillment of the law.

God is Righteous
Exodus 9:27 2 And Pharaoh sent and called for Moses and Aaron, and said to them, “I have sinned this time. The Lord is righteous, and my people and I are wicked.

God’s laws are Righteous
Psalms 19:9 The fear of the LORD is pure, enduring forever. The decrees of the LORD are firm, and all of them are righteous.
Psalms 119:172 My tongue shall speak of Your word, For all Your commandments are righteousness.

God is Truth:
Deuteronomy 32:4 He is the Rock, His work is perfect; For all His ways are justice, A God of truth and without injustice; Righteous and upright is He.

God’s law is Truth:
Psalms 119:142 Thy righteousness is an everlasting righteousness, and thy law is the truth.
Psalms 119:151 You are near, O LORD, And all Your commandments are truth.

God is Pure:
1 John 3:3 And everyone who has this hope in Him purifies himself, just as He is pure.

God’s laws are Pure:
Psalms 19:8 the precepts of the LORD are right, rejoicing the heart; the commandment of the LORD is pure, enlightening the eyes;

God is Spiritual:
John 4:24 God is Spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth.”

God’s law is Spiritual:
Romans 7:14 For we know that the law is spiritual, but I am carnal, sold under sin.

God is Unchangeable:
Malachi 3:6 For I am the LORD, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed.

God’s laws are Unchangeable:
Matthew 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

God is Eternal
Genesis 21:33 And Abraham planted a grove in Beersheba, and called there on the name of the LORD, the everlasting God.

God’s laws are Eternal
Psalms 111:7,8 The works of his hands are verity and judgment; all his commandments are sure. They stand fast forever and ever, And are done in truth and uprightness

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And the law is not part of the Christian faith. If you are in the law then you are not in Christ. You are trying to put the monkey of the law back in the Christian’s back.

The law is weak.

“Therefore there is now no condemnation at all for those who are in Christ Jesus. For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has set you free from the law of sin and of death. For what the Law could not do, weak as it was through the flesh, God did: sending His own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh and as an offering for sin, He condemned sin in the flesh, so that the requirement of the Law might be fulfilled in us who do not walk according to the flesh but according to the Spirit.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭8‬:‭1‬-‭4‬ ‭NASB2020‬‬

We are put to death with regards to the law. We belong to Christ. We are RELEASED from the law.

“Therefore, my brothers and sisters, you also were put to death in regard to the Law through the body of Christ, so that you might belong to another, to Him who was raised from the dead, in order that we might bear fruit for God. For while we were in the flesh, the sinful passions, which were brought to light by the Law, were at work in the parts of our body to bear fruit for death. But now we have been released from the Law, having died to that by which we were bound, so that we serve in newness of the Spirit and not in oldness of the letter.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭7‬:‭4‬-‭6‬ ‭NASB2020‬‬

If you follow the law you are cursed.

“For all who are of works of the Law are under a curse; for it is written: “Cursed is everyone who does not abide by all the things written in the book of the Law, to do them.””
‭‭Galatians‬ ‭3‬:‭10‬ ‭NASB2020‬‬

The law does not justify.

“Now, that no one is justified by the Law before God is evident; for, “the righteous one will live by faith.” However, the Law is not of faith; on the contrary, “The person who performs them will live by them.””
‭‭Galatians‬ ‭3‬:‭11‬-‭12‬ ‭NASB2020‬‬

Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law.

“Christ redeemed us from the curse of the Law, having become a curse for us—for it is written: “Cursed is everyone who hangs on a tree”— in order that in Christ Jesus the blessing of Abraham would come to the Gentiles, so that we would receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.”
‭‭Galatians‬ ‭3‬:‭13‬-‭14‬ ‭NASB2020‬‬

The law remains for Israel until the remnant of Israel repents. The Christian is NOT under the law. End Stop.

Exclusive: US scraps Justice Department task force that took on cartels, documents show​

The U.S. Justice Department is closing a task force that took on drug cartels and an office that aimed to ease racial tensions, in a reorganization that drops a plan to merge the nation's top drug and gun law enforcement agencies, documents seen by Reuters show.

The plan approves closing the Organized Crime Drug Enforcement Task Forces, a prosecutor-led inter-agency office created in the 1980s during Ronald Reagan's presidency to tackle major drug cartels.

Stacey Young, a former department attorney who founded the non-profit advocacy group Justice Connection, says the changes could impede the department's law-enforcement mission, including drug prosecutions.

"Americans will feel the harm of this administration's slash-and-burn approach to governing," she said. "This isn't a reorganization -- it's a decimation of some of DOJ's most vital work."

The effort to close the Organized Crime Drug Enforcement Task Forces surprised current and former officials, since the types of cases it oversees fall in line with the Trump administration's priorities to pursue major drug-trafficking organizations such as the Sinaloa Cartel, according to sources familiar with the matter.

A Justice Department official noted that the task force's ongoing criminal cases have since been transferred to a newly created Homeland Security Task Force,

essentialsaltes said:

At the risk of quoting a very sympathetic Fox News account long on stories and short on evidence...​

Portland police arrest conservative journalist on disorderly conduct charge along with two others​

The arrest came after the Portland Police Bureau said it was "monitoring the protestduring the evening and observed some protest participants engaging in fights." [Nicholas] Sortor was charged with disorderly conduct in the second degree.

"And when they put me into handcuffs, the first thing that went to my mind wasn't, 'Oh, you're being arrested.' It's, 'Oh, they're trying to help you and get you out of here and make it look like they're doing something.' Because they weren't telling me what they were doing. They weren't telling me I was under arrest. They weren't telling me what I was being charged with. And it took over an hour for me to find out what I was charged with," Sortor claimed.

At about 11:16 p.m., Portland police said its Rapid Response Team moved in and arrested three people, who were all booked into the Multnomah County Detention Center (MCDC) on charges of disorderly conduct in the second degree.

Police identified those arrested on the disorderly conduct charge as Nicholas Sortor, 27, of Washington, D.C., Son Mi Yi, 43, of Portland, and Angela Davis, 49, of Vernonia, Oregon. [or at least that's the name she gave them?]

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They can't conceptualise that the machine they are building will turn against them.

Dan Perez said:

# 1 I. SAY //. LEGO , in. the PRESENT TENSE , in. the ACTIVE VIOCE. , in the. INDICATIVE MOOD. and it means you better believe it.

in. the Singular ,

# 2 THEN // OUN is a CONJUNCATION

# 3 HAVE THEY STUMBLED. // PTAIO , in. the AORIST TENSE , in the INDICATIVE MOOD , means you better believe it. , in. the PLURAL

# 4. THAT // HINA. , is a CONJUNCATION

# 5. THEY SHOULD FALL //. PIPTO , in. the AORIST TENSE. , is the SUBJUNCATIVE , is a PLURAL

# 6. GOD FORBID. // ME. , is. a DISJUNCATIVE PARTICLE NEGATIVE

#7. BUT //. ALLA , is a CONJUNCATION

# 8 AFTE. was added

# 9 THOUGH THEIR // AUTOS. , is. a PRESONAL. POSSESSEIVE PRONOUN. , in. the GENITIVE CASE. , in. the PLURAL

# 10 FALL. //. PARAPTOMA. , in. the DATIVE CASE , in the SINGULAR , in. the NEUTER

# 11. SALVATION. // SOTERIA. , is. the NOMINASTIVE CASE. , in. the SINGULAR

# 12 IS COME WAS ADDED

# 13. UNTO THE //. HO , is a DEFINITE ARTICLE. in the DAIVE CASE , in. the Plural in. the NEUTER

# 14. GENTILES // ETHNOS. , in. the DATIVE CASE , in. the PLURAL. in. the Neuter

# 15. FOR TO // EIS , is a PERPOSITION

# 16. PROVOKE // PARAZELOO , in. the AORIST TENSE , in. the ACTIVE VOICE. means that Christ had in provoking Israel.

# 17. THEM. //. AUTOS. , is a PERSONAL POSSESSIVE. PRONOUN. , in. the ACCUSATIVE CASE , in. the Plural

# 18. TO JEALOUSY // PARAZE. , in. the AORIST. TENSE , in. the ACTIVE VOICE


This then. means that the Law. , the OLD COVENENT was set side and that means that we are saved by. Roman 10:9 and 10

and have the HOLY SPIRIT , place you into the BODY of CHRIST by 1 Cor 12:13

And there NO OTHER WAY TO BE SAVED and go to HEAVEN. , PERIOD !!

dan p

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And here is a graph that a teacher I knew , Robert C BROCK one of BEST teacher. of dispenation. !!

#. 1 VERSEV. 11 Israels FALSE STEP. (. TRESPESS. ) GENTILE'S SALVATION

# 2 VERSE 12 , ISRAEL'S FALSE SEP. (. TREPASS ). GENTILE'S. RICHES

# 3. VERSE. 12 , ISRAEL'S LOSS. GENTILE'S RICHES

# VERSE 15 ISRAEL'S. REJECTION GENTILE'S. RECONCILATION

dan p

Postvieww said:

Newsom signs an executive order to ban plants and fences near their homes, for some home owners.

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Good idea; most sensible people do that already. My brother in law lives on a property in wildfire country (which is almost all of California these days) and Cal Fire has been very helpful--they come around regularly with hazard mitigation advice. Of course, people who don't do it will whine when their house burns down and want to be bailed out. Then, big government will seem like a good idea to them.

Desk trauma said:

The illusive undecided guy?

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He's a swinger, so they say.

Clare73 said:

Jesus is physical bread. . .Jesus is a physical vine. . .Jesus is a physical light. . .?

Where do we find in Scripture that God's plan is that none be lost?

Did Jesus get the memo? ". . .whoever does not believe in God's Son stands condemned already." (Jn 3:18)

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Here is what I mean by literal reading. There is literal metaphor, literal history, literal poetry, literal prophecy, litteral thoughts of those who miss understood God and were writing how they felt even when they were wrong about God, and things that are just plane literal.
Our job is to try to see through the lense of Jesus, because he said if you have seen me you have seen the father, what parts of scripture fit in to what category.
I believe that when Jesus says he is the savior of the cosmos that is a literal true statement, or when scripture says its Gods will/desire that all be saved and come to a knowledge of the truth, that is a literal statement, or all in Adam die but all will be made alive in Jesus, these are all literal.
Also I do not rely on the English bible only but look at the original Greek words used and how the audience it was given to understood those words 2000 years ago.
It seems that you read scripture from a different lens than I do.

Pepperdoodle said:

There has been political discord for decades, just ask my great grandma.
Hatred has been in the world since the beginning of time and it will still be after we're long gone.
But I agree, we all need to listen better, be more humble, but in a political realm that is very hard to expect.
I've never seen a presidential campaign for example without bickering, back stabbing, etc.

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Yes, if we ket ourselves be informed by history, not only our own national history but also world history we see disturbing patterns.

Pepperdoodle said:

I mean in general with issues on the Right, I will defend those as needed.
Sometimes the people. I've defended Hillary Clinton at times if someone says she said something and she didn't.

Your original reply on this post to: Whether you were a fan of Charlie's or not, has this prompted you to be more outspoken?
"No. Because my voice, my opinion, just contributes to the discord of this now fragile nation and world. Rather, I am trying to listen better, to be more humble about my opinions, and to look past the Left/Right illusions that have engendered so much hatred."

This world, nation...or any nation really, has been, is and will be in continuous discord until the end of time.
No peace will come until the end of the world as we know it.
Man can be peaceful at times, but true lasting peace won't be until God allows.
There has been political discord for decades, just ask my great grandma.
Hatred has been in the world since the beginning of time and it will still be after we're long gone.
But I agree, we all need to listen better, be more humble, but in a political realm that is very hard to expect.
I've never seen a presidential campaign for example without bickering, back stabbing, etc.

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i think January 6th proved we are in new territory we have not seen since April 1865.

essentialsaltes said:

At the risk of quoting a very sympathetic Fox News account long on stories and short on evidence...​

Portland police arrest conservative journalist on disorderly conduct charge along with two others​

The arrest came after the Portland Police Bureau said it was "monitoring the protestduring the evening and observed some protest participants engaging in fights." [Nicholas] Sortor was charged with disorderly conduct in the second degree.

"And when they put me into handcuffs, the first thing that went to my mind wasn't, 'Oh, you're being arrested.' It's, 'Oh, they're trying to help you and get you out of here and make it look like they're doing something.' Because they weren't telling me what they were doing. They weren't telling me I was under arrest. They weren't telling me what I was being charged with. And it took over an hour for me to find out what I was charged with," Sortor claimed.

At about 11:16 p.m., Portland police said its Rapid Response Team moved in and arrested three people, who were all booked into the Multnomah County Detention Center (MCDC) on charges of disorderly conduct in the second degree.

Police identified those arrested on the disorderly conduct charge as Nicholas Sortor, 27, of Washington, D.C., Son Mi Yi, 43, of Portland, and Angela Davis, 49, of Vernonia, Oregon. [or at least that's the name she gave them?]

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Angela Davis. Nice.

Desk trauma said:

Something about reducing the surplus population.

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See, the GOP tried that with Covid, but it wasn't as effective as it could have been.

At the risk of quoting a very sympathetic Fox News account long on stories and short on evidence...​

Portland police arrest conservative journalist on disorderly conduct charge along with two others​

The arrest came after the Portland Police Bureau said it was "monitoring the protestduring the evening and observed some protest participants engaging in fights." [Nicholas] Sortor was charged with disorderly conduct in the second degree.

"And when they put me into handcuffs, the first thing that went to my mind wasn't, 'Oh, you're being arrested.' It's, 'Oh, they're trying to help you and get you out of here and make it look like they're doing something.' Because they weren't telling me what they were doing. They weren't telling me I was under arrest. They weren't telling me what I was being charged with. And it took over an hour for me to find out what I was charged with," Sortor claimed.

At about 11:16 p.m., Portland police said its Rapid Response Team moved in and arrested three people, who were all booked into the Multnomah County Detention Center (MCDC) on charges of disorderly conduct in the second degree.

Police identified those arrested on the disorderly conduct charge as Nicholas Sortor, 27, of Washington, D.C., Son Mi Yi, 43, of Portland, and Angela Davis, 49, of Vernonia, Oregon. [or at least that's the name she gave them?]

Basically, when characters in shows deal with real life situations where politics currently intrudes, thats "activism".

Newsom signs an executive order to ban plants and fences near their homes, for some home owners.

Desk trauma said:

Who?

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There's a guy in Nebraska.

At this point it would probably be be Mohammed Darwish, who is chaiman of the Ruling Council, and Izz al-Haddad, military commander in Gaza.

Studyman said:

Abraham was Justified by Faith, shown by his works as faith without Works is dead. If you were to read Romans 1-3 you would know Paul is speaking about the mainstream preachers of that time that refused to Glorify God, "as God".

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1. Abraham faith was not from works. The scripture is specific to that end. There is no possible other interpretation. Abraham was justified ONLY by faith.

“For if Abraham was justified by works, he has something to boast about; but not before God. For what does the Scripture say? “Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness.””
‭‭Romans‬ ‭4‬:‭2‬-‭3‬ ‭NASB2020‬‬

2. James speaks of faith without works is dead to show that all who have saving faith will naturally produce faith. Paul, in Eph2:8-10 explains the path to salvation and does not include works. We do works FROM salvation NOT FOR salvation.

3. Romans books 1-3 are not about street priests but about a variety of teaching. Book 1 begins with Paul explaining why he is not ashamed of the gospel and finishes with the damnation if those who do not worship God. No one is without excuse. Book 2 begins with Paul giving a rendition of why God is not impartial and ends with an explanation of the Jews under the law. Book 3 once again begins explaining why all are guilty like there is no righteous person, not even one and finishes explaining justification by only faith apart from the law.

Maybe you should consider getting instruction from a church or pastor to help you understand scripture.

Studyman said:

It's important to consider all that is written in scriptures if we are seeking God's Truth. If we are only seeking justification, then there are a lot of verses that can be separated from the Bible to support it.

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All Christians are Christians because they have been justified but some Christians will not mature in their faith (see the parable of the soils). There are no Christians that have not been justified. Justification is important.

Studyman said:

Abraham was accepted by God and Justified, not because he cut the loose skin off his penis, or brought a yearling calf to the Priest. But because he believed in God enough to be a "Doer" of His Sayings, and not a hearer only. Circumcision was a "Sign" of his humble obedience to God. But the reason for his obedience, was Faith, defined as unconditional Faith in God, shown by works".

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Again, Abraham was justified ONLY by faith not by works. See the scripture above. His works came naturally from his saving faith.

Studyman said:

In my understanding, it is important to consider Every Word of God, or those who HE inspires. Here is what God inspired Paul to teach to both Jew and Gentile.

Acts. 26: 19 Whereupon, O king Agrippa, I was not disobedient unto the heavenly vision: 20 But shewed first unto them of Damascus, and at Jerusalem, and throughout all the coasts of Judaea, and then to the Gentiles, that they should repent and turn to God, and "do works" meet for repentance.

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All that repent and have saving faith will do works naturally. Also, keep in mind what Paul says about the formula for salvation.

“For by grace you have been saved through faith; and this is not of yourselves, it is the gift of God; not a result of works, so that no one may boast. For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand so that we would walk in them.”
‭‭Ephesians‬ ‭2‬:‭8‬-‭10‬ ‭NASB2020‬‬

We are not saved as a result if works but by the grace of God through faith we are MADE in His workmanship. Scripture is consistent among scripture so there is very little tension. If you come across a lot of tension in your understanding then your understanding is wrong. You are running into a lot if tension because you are trying to tie works as necessary for salvation and that is not the case.

Studyman said:

2 Tim. 3: 16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, "for instruction in righteousness": 17 That the man of God may be perfect, "throughly furnished" unto all good works.

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Absolutely.

Studyman said:

Rom. 2: 9 Tribulation and anguish, upon "every soul of man" that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile; 10 But glory, honour, and peace, to "every man" that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile: 11 For there is no respect of persons with God.

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A verse in an island. No commentary given.

Studyman said:

We seem to be going in circles, you working to justify your religion, and me wanting to have discussions about what is actually written.

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I’m not “justifying” my religion but refuting your argument using scripture. It seems that you have a personal understanding that lacks deep study and come from the totality of scripture. Every time you interpret scripture using single verses out of context error is inevitable.

Studyman said:

I think it's time for me to move on.

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Be blessed.

Desk trauma said:

Who?

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We will find out when some actually turn with their vote to reopen. The democrats will not win this fight.

FAITH-IN-HIM said:

Let me ask the question again: Can you identify a leader from Gaza who can represent its population?

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No, I think the Gazans should chose their own leader. It would be beyond presumptuous for me to try.

Is it your position that the Gazans cannot choose anyone because anyone they choose will necessarily be either Hamas or Hamas-approved and the US and Israel cannot negotiate with anyone Hamas-adjacent?

Abraham1st said:

All man is still all when it is all men as told, kings, all in authority, as example, it excludes no men, from the least to the greatest, then at judgement day all those all, from the least to the greatest/ small and great, are judged, there wont be another judgement after being destroyed.


2 Thessalonians 1:9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;

Revelation 20:12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

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So you believe that the " destruction" verses trump the all will be saved in the end verses? Why does that seem like the character of the Loving god who is life and light in whom is no darkness?

FAITH-IN-HIM said:

Do you believe Hamas will let Gaza's citizens freely choose their leader?

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Who knows? Right now the negotiations are to end the fighting. Traditionally, it's the war leaders who enter those negotiations, whether the people support them or not is a different question, which can't be settled until after the fighting stops.

Aldebaran said:

If they truly felt confident, they wouldn't need to form a "union", which is often simply a mob meant to bully their employer into things that puts them out of business, and the employees out of jobs.

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How is the employer not a mob as well? Huge organization against the little guy.

Aldebaran said:

Confidence means being able to stand on your own two feet and take your skills to a different job if you're so confident.

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If the employer was confident and competent, they wouldn't need to bust unions.