Spiritual Jew said:

Where do you see the word "backslide" there? It's not there. Don't change the text. It says "fall away" which suggests someone has completely turned away, lost their faith and departed from God, like it talks about in this verse...

Hebrews 3:12 Beware, brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief in departing from the living God;

How do you interpret Hebrews 6:4-6?

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Clearly you haven't kept up with the thread. You are making my point

out soon.

When I return . . .

HARK! said:

Gold has intrinsic value.

“Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value, zero.” -- Voltaire (1694-1778)

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This is a few months later, but it's never too late to refute such an inaccurate and misleading statement. In his 2011 to shareholders, Warren Buffet (starting in page 17) wrote a great explanation of why gold is such a lousy place to put your money:

Gold ... has two significant shortcomings, being neither of much use nor procreative. True, gold has some
industrial and decorative utility, but the demand for these purposes is both limited and incapable of
soaking up new production. Meanwhile, if you own one ounce of gold for an eternity, you will still
own one ounce at its end.

Today the world’s gold stock is about 170,000 metric tons. If all of this gold were melded together, it
would form a cube of about 68 feet per side. (Picture it fitting comfortably within a baseball infield.) At
$1,750 per ounce – gold’s price as I write this – its value would be $9.6 trillion. Call this cube pile A.
Let’s now create a pile B costing an equal amount. For that, we could buy all U.S. cropland (400
million acres with output of about $200 billion annually), plus 16 Exxon Mobils (the world’s most
profitable company, one earning more than $40 billion annually). After these purchases, we would
have about $1 trillion left over for walking-around money (no sense feeling strapped after this buying
binge). Can you imagine an investor with $9.6 trillion selecting pile A over pile B?

A century from now the 400 million acres of farmland will have produced staggering amounts of corn,
wheat, cotton, and other crops – and will continue to produce that valuable bounty, whatever the
currency may be. Exxon Mobil will probably have delivered trillions of dollars in dividends to its
owners and will also hold assets worth many more trillions (and, remember, you get 16 Exxons). The
170,000 tons of gold will be unchanged in size and still incapable of producing anything. You can
fondle the cube, but it will not respond.

Admittedly, when people a century from now are fearful, it’s likely many will still rush to gold. I’m
confident, however, that the $9.6 trillion current valuation of pile A will compound over the century at
a rate far inferior to that achieved by pile B.

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Gold gets dug out of the ground, then we melt it down, dig another hole, bury it again and pay people to stand around guarding it. It has no utility. Anyone watching from Mars would be scratching their head.” -Warren Buffett

Always in His Presence said:

psst.... while off topic - this well worn Democratic byline was debunked during Trump's first term - who debunked it - oh, the IRS

Props to the never ending repeating, but no one believe it anymore - it might just be why the Democrats are in chaos and have historically low ratings -

But please - feel free to repeat it as of ten as you please - it helps Republican gain votes.

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Okay, fine. I'll lay off the tax breaks for billionaires bit if you can show me that Republicans care about health care subsidies for those who need them.

-- A2SG, ball's in your court, dude....

Dave G. said:

By in large they leave in my experience, these being in oppression. However, you're correct for possession or affliction, some of those do not leave but by prayer and fasting. At least according to Jesus in Matthew 17:21

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However this kind goeth not out but by prayer and fasting.” AMP. [But this kind of demon does not go out except by prayer and fasting.]” AMPC

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Prayer and fasting is for possession, not oppression which is the verse you are referencing. Verse 18 says, "Jesus rebuked the demon, and it came out of the boy, and he was healed at that moment." There isn't a single instance in the bible that says driving out a demon for anything other than possession works. I'm not negating that your experiences you see a difference, but what I'm saying is in my own experiences, they just get sneaky and aren't so apparent but that doesn't mean they left, it just means they got quieter.

The ONLY thing that drives a demon away that is backed up in scripture is this:
James 4:7
"Therefore submit to God. Resist the devil and he will flee from you."

Submitting to God is obedience, and resisting temptation, resisting his attacks, makes him flee. That doesn't say telling demons to leave in the name of Jesus makes them flee if it is not a possession case. There is a difference between possession and everything else.

Vambram said:

Israel did not committ genocide. If, and do say IF, Israel committed genocide, then so did the USA and every other nation that has ever gone to war.

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The US is guilty of genocide--against the indigenous nations. The indiscriminate killing of human beings and targeting an entire group of people for extermination is, by definition, genocide.

Targeting non-combatants is a war crime.
Targeting an entire group of people for extermination is genocide.

Israel is guilty of both.

And deflecting to the US doesn't help, because the US is guilty of both war crimes and committing genocide.

Deflecting to Hamas doesn't help either, in case you wanted to try that route, because Hamas is guilty of terrorism against Israelis and oppression of the Palestinians in Gaza. One evil doesn't justify another evil.

-CryptoLutheran

tdidymas said:

Physical death reigned in mankind through the one, because he was cast out of Eden, being denied access to the Tree of Life. Spiritual death reigned in mankind through the one, because we inherited the sin nature. There is nothing in here but presumption to say that Adam's sin was imputed.

Condemnation came to all men because the sin nature was transmitted to Adam's progeny. The context of this has to do with people who have sinned, not infants who haven't sinned. Again, there is nothing in here but presumption to say that Adam's sin was imputed.

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That is precisely what Ro 5:17 states, ". . .by the trespass of one man, death reigned through that one man,"

tdidymas said:

In regard to Rom. 5:12-14, here was my response that refutes your idea:
You are interpreting Paul's statement as "there was no law between Adam and Moses, therefore no transgression."
But Paul has to mean something different than that,

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Are you serious?. . .Based on what. . .your erroneous theology?

Q.E.D.

Portland Frog Brigade is growing.

d taylor said:

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So where in the verses you are referencing state Judas believed in Jesus for God's free gift of Eternal Life

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Why did Jesus indicate that Judas was lost if he was never saved in the first place?

John 17:12 While I was with them in the world, I kept them in Your name. Those whom You gave Me I have kept; and none of them is lost except the son of perdition, that the Scripture might be fulfilled.

Delvianna said:

They dont always leave. Remember Paul was told by God his grace was sufficient and taught about the armor of God for a reason. Stay alert.

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By in large they leave in my experience, these being in oppression or bothersome. If they don't go, there may be an open door in ones life that needs shutting However, you're correct for possession or affliction, some of those do not leave but by prayer and fasting. At least according to Jesus in Matthew 17:21

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However this kind goeth not out but by prayer and fasting.” AMP. [But this kind of demon does not go out except by prayer and fasting.]” AMPC

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Turning Point USA has created a website to present the halftime show and asked online visitors to choose which musical genres they would like to see perform.

Survey results so far show support for country, rock, hip hop and "anything in English," The Hill reported.

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What is really sad is, there is not one single example of a born again child of God (a believer) in The Bible. Becoming unborn again and crossing back over from life to death.

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This is a very weak argument. There are plenty of passages which say that it's possible, so why does it matter if a case of that occurring is recorded or not?

d taylor said:

But yet this human concocted idea, that a born again person can become un-born again and cross back over from life to death remains to be a very popular belief in churches. Maybe because these churches are teaching a works based way to life and not the way God has planed by belief in Jesus.

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No, that isn't it. We're not saved by works, so we can't lose our salvation by not doing enough works. We're saved by grace through faith. There are scriptures that say a believer can lose their faith and fall away such as Hebrews 3:12-14 and Hebrews 6:4-6. Hebrews 3:14 indicates that we must keep our faith until the end (of our lives or of the age) in order to be saved. Faith is not just a one time thing that people do after which they just coast to the finish line while doing whatever they want with no care about whether they are faithful and submitted to Christ or not. Paul describes in 2 Timothy 4:7 the Christian experience as a race that we must continue running until we get to the finish line (end of our lives). It's not about works, it's about continuing to keep our faith and trust in Christ instead of in ourselves or anyone or anything else.

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Great breakdown of the Schumer shutdown and who is applauding it. First time in history a party has shut the government over a clean CR.

Apple Sky said:

We have here the three astronauts of Apollo 11 clearly stating that they never saw the stars & you call it nonsense

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Because they didn't see any stars is proof that there aren't any, I suppose?

I've never seen you - does that mean you don't exist either?

lead to destruction.

I need to go…

BPPLEE said:

And Jesus knew who would betray him

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Knowing an event that will happen beforehand is not the same as predetermining for that event to happen.

BPPLEE said:

Of course Jesus knew, he knew everything that was going to happen. But did Judas have a choice? Can both be true, that he was predestined but it was still his choice?

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Where do you get the idea from that Judas was predestined to betray Jesus?

A2SG said:

-- A2SG, because the GOP doesn't care about anything but tax cuts for billionaires.....

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psst.... while off topic - this well worn Democratic byline was debunked during Trump's first term - who debunked it - oh, the IRS

Props to the never ending repeating, but no one believe it anymore - it might just be why the Democrats are in chaos and have historically low ratings -

But please - feel free to repeat it as of ten as you please - it helps Republican gain votes.

Apple Sky said:

I agree some conspiracy theories are utterly bonkers

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This is one of them.

You have asked people to prove the landings happened. You have been shown photographs and eyewitness testimony, including from someone on these forums who father-in-law worked on the Apollo rocket. (Forgive me if that is not quite right.)
Your answer is/has been "fake, lies".
You have been told that NASA planned and carried out the space missions.
Your answer has been that NASA are ALL liars.

You don't know why they would have been faked or why anyone would have spent billions of dollars to convince us that something which is not important was true. Your only answer is that it "must be", and the Christian astronauts "must be lying". Why? Because the moon landings destroy your belief that the earth is not a globe.
Anyone who sees a photo of the earth taken from the moon/rocket can SEE that it is a globe - the beautiful globe that God created. But no, it's easier to shout "CGI" (which they didn't have in those days) and continue with your "the earth is a flat, 40,000 foot deep shape, with 4 corners and enclosed by the Antarctic."
This, of course, is completely unscientific - but then you know zilch about science, so it's not surprising.

BPPLEE said:

The Book of Hebrews was written primarily to Jewish Christians, likely those living in Jerusalem or Judea, who were familiar with the Old Testament and Jewish traditions. The exact audience is not explicitly named, but the letter’s extensive references to Hebrew Scriptures, the Temple, and Jewish rituals suggest it was addressed to believers with a strong Jewish background, possibly facing persecution or temptation to revert to Judaism.

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Much of what is written in it applies to all Christians, including Gentiles as well, though. The new covenant is written about in Hebrews 8 to 10 and that certainly does not only apply to Jews. So, you're not really making much of a point here. There's no reason to think that the warnings given to believers in passages like Hebrews 3:12-14, Hebrews 6:4-6 and Hebrews 10:26-27 don't apply to Gentile believers as well.

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Drain the Swamp!

BPPLEE said:

Hebrews 6:4 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted the heavenly gift, and have become partakers of the Holy Spirit, 5 and have tasted the good word of God and the powers of the age to come, 6 [c]if they fall away, to renew them again to repentance, since they crucify again for themselves the Son of God, and put Him to an open shame. 7

So if someone gets saved and then backslides there’s no hope for them?

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Where do you see the word "backslide" there? It's not there. Don't change the text. It says "fall away" which suggests someone has completely turned away, lost their faith and departed from God, like it talks about in this verse...

Hebrews 3:12 Beware, brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief in departing from the living God;

How do you interpret Hebrews 6:4-6?

Dale said:

We had a mass shooting in Sebring, FL. At a local bank, five women were lined up, told to lay down and shot in the back of the head.

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Wow, that is some story. Mental health issues as well, which could have been a warning sign for a background check.

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Richard T said:

Why would a large corporation be ignorant of visa laws? Guess they need more lawyers and less factory expertise.

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Just like our own large manufacturing which are dying behind Trump's tariff wall from too many lawyers and not enough factory expertise?