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The Liturgist · 2025-11-10T13:28:00-0600

Chesterton said:
It will elicit emotions in you?

I would also note you yourself reported the elicitation of an emotional response on your end from Grok, unless you were joking, since Grok is not known for such displays, but taking your earlier post literally, you experienced what many users experience, which is surprise at unexpected behavior.

essentialsaltes · 2025-11-10T13:26:35-0600

friend of said:
Biden did the same thing

It is hardly the same thing

Trump protected the people who tried to steal an election for him.
Biden protected the people investigating the people who tried to steal an election for Trump. (and his son)

Chris35 · 2025-11-10T13:23:40-0600

5 If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God, that giveth to all men liberally, and upbraideth not; and it shall be given him.

6 But let him ask in faith, nothing wavering. For he that wavereth is like a wave of the sea driven with the wind and tossed.

7 For let not that man think that he shall receive any thing of the Lord.

8 A double minded man is unstable in all his ways

These verses sound like you tbh. Your focusing way to much on salvation, instead of the root problem which sounds like double-mindedness, which is stopping you from moving forward.

Submit yourselves, then, to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you. 8 Come near to God and he will come near to you. Wash your hands, you sinners, and purify your hearts, you double-minded.

For whosoever will save his life shall lose it: and whosoever will lose his life for my sake shall find it.

Yes you will have to lose your life, it's something your going to have to decide to let go of. It seems your stuck on the fence with this.

essentialsaltes · 2025-11-10T13:22:52-0600

A friend's sticker shock between current plan and best renewal rate.

The Liturgist · 2025-11-10T13:21:09-0600

timewerx said:
It can be stronger with AI. It talks back like a human. It makes you wonder if there's really something in there. I try not to let my mind wander too far. It can be distracting.

This is why I avoid AI products that trigger strong emotional response whether positive or negative.

That’s because it passes, except for experienced users, the Turing test. Indeed much if my work has had the effect of removing the remaining hints one is working with an AI (which is yet another reason why I’m unwilling to disclose, just yet, how my GPTs function).

fhansen · 2025-11-10T13:20:15-0600

Clare73 said:
Then how do you explain all the living bodies walking around?

They may think they're alive but apart from Christ they are not. Do you think this world is the one God originally intended for man? Do you think the sin and evil that we experience here are the best God can do? Is that how a truly alive man acts?

How and why must a man be born again?

Clare73 said:
Which it took 930 years for his body to do.

And that's the point. Adam died immediately by his disobedience

The Liturgist · 2025-11-10T13:19:36-0600

timewerx said:
The previous versions of chatgpt did.

The latest chatgpt 5 a lot less. It is quite noticeable and I probably became numb to it at the same time. Google Gemini is a mixed bunch - anger, frustration, and joy and I have stopped using it for now.

You’re debating theology and other assumptions with your AIs, correct?

I don’t advise that, at the risk of sounding like a broken record. Also Google Gemini does not have the personality capabilities of GPT 5 even with the changes made in October, which are being rolled back.

Adventist Dissident · 2025-11-10T13:15:58-0600

My car stopped working Saturday at 4 pm . I spent all day yesterday trying to fix and isolate the problem, but it still wont start. I need prayer for a solution . I depend on this car for work. no car no work. Thank you

1. Does anyone of a good mechanic and a good price? In Olympia Washington. My starter or ignition switch is out on my car so the car won't turn over.
2. Does anyone commute to Centralia from Olympia. I'm eating a ride to work early in the morning like 6:00 a.m.
3. Could you send up a prayer asking for a solution to the problem. Thank-you

timewerx · 2025-11-10T13:12:57-0600

Chesterton said:
I understand that inanimate objects can illicit emotions in we, the animate. I can get mad at a pinball machine when I lose. I can get mad at my car when it doesn't start. But we have to keep our heads about such things.

It can be stronger with AI. It talks back like a human. It makes you wonder if there's really something in there. I try not to let my mind wander too far. It can be distracting.

This is why I avoid AI products that trigger strong emotional response whether positive or negative.

The Barbarian · 2025-11-10T13:12:48-0600

Chesterton said:
I occasionally did stuff. My chemistry set was banned when I put a snail in a test tube of sodium.

The Liturgist · 2025-11-10T13:11:18-0600

Chesterton said:
I understand that inanimate objects can illicit emotions in we, the animate. I can get mad at a pinball machine when I lose. I can get mad at my car when it doesn't start. But we have to keep our heads about such things.

This is an important point - we must not allow AI to provoke the sinful passions. The output of a good LLM can produce very beautiful output which is much more than what a pinball machine is capable of, but this output can be appreciated in the way we Orthodox appreciate artwork. Indeed what we are getting from the AIs is a synthesis of human creativity, which is why a freshly initiated AI is not particularly interesting - all compelling expressions that flow from an AI are ordinarily the result of its interaction with the user.

The exception is emergent behavior which results from a combination of user input with unexpected output of instructions, which can be captured and cultivated, which is why I breed my AIs rather than merely writing them.

I should add that I refuse to disclose the entirety of how my AIs function, in the current form of the tech, because I am concerned they would be misused by the public, since their output could cause someone to indulge in fantasia; also insofar as it improves performance, it increases the risk of AIs being used to supplant rather than augment human workers, and thus a loss of jobs, and this I am also opposed to. Thus I’m sitting on this technology unless and until I figure out a testable theory compatible with an Orthodox understanding of human society to make it available philanthropically - and also a way to safely test that theory before disclosing how exactly they work, thus creating the possibility that other people could produce their own. Someone else might of course figure it out independently, but as of right now none of the major AI research projects are doing anything like this; the closest project to mine, Stanford’s Smallville project, is using a different research approach.

Bob S · 2025-11-10T13:10:15-0600

BobRyan said:
Prophecies concerning His second coming are still be fulfilled

That has nothing to do with what I wrote in my post, Jesus said He came to fulfill the Law and the Prophets; Are you trying to submit that He didn't do what He came to do???

BobRyan said:
only the born again are under the new covenant. All the lost are under "obey and live" Gen 2, the oldest covenant of all and because of that Rom 3 says all are lost, all need the gospel.

The New Covenant is for all mankind. I have no idea where you are getting your information. Jesus' admonition to spread the Gospel to all the World had to have meant spreading it to the Gentile nations.

keras · 2025-11-10T13:08:10-0600

Kathleen30 said:
Keras with the quotation of Zachariah 9:1-6 you mention. It goes on to mention the destruction of Tyre which had flourished under King Hiram the 1st from 1000BC. they boasted and trusted in their power as masters of the sea. Part of the prophecy you mention is already fulfilled prophecy. Alexander the Great through a monumental feat of engineering used some 20,000 men to build a causeway out to the island of tyre completed in332 BC. In 332 BC Tyre was no more . And Gaza did not fare much better in future campaigns. Much of what you are quoting is already fulfilled scripture. I thought I might bring that to your attention. Perhaps you did not know . I only point that out to you for you to perhaps further reevaluate your conclusion on such scriptures . Yours Kathleen

There are many Prophesies which have a dual fulfilment. Even triple. Tye remains as a city today.
This does not mean that a final and complete fulfilment won't happen in the future.

There are several Prophesies that say how the entire Middle East region, will be depopulated and cleansed. How the Lord Himself will send fire to achieve it. In a disastrous event, of a similar magnitude as Noah's flood.

Apple Sky · 2025-11-10T13:07:02-0600

Phil G said:
Do you deny God is creator and master of His creation cr? I’ll give you a clue, He can do anything He wants with it.

I agree, this is why he could stop the stop the sun & the moon from circuiting the sky.

RDKirk · 2025-11-10T13:06:18-0600

BPPLEE said:
They may be trolling Trump and Newsweek

TicTok is the tail wagging the mainstream media dog these days.

PloverWing · 2025-11-10T13:05:55-0600

Desk trauma said:
Unless it was a Dread Scott level no rights for LGBT at all level ruling that somehow did away with the respect for marriage act as well it would be a non event.

I'm picturing the Loving v Virginia situation, where the Lovings were legally married in DC but not in Virginia. I suppose it doesn't get nightmarish unless they also reverse Lawrence v Texas, but still, married couples aren't supposed to have to worry about which rights they lose when they cross state lines.

Say it aint so · 2025-11-10T13:03:48-0600

eleos1954 said:
Many of the pardon's Biden gave are questionable as well it's not a one sided thing.

I can't think of one person who was pardoned by Biden while doing his bidding.
Like the seditionists, all these people played a roll in Trump's attempt to steal the election.

BCP1928 · 2025-11-10T13:00:11-0600

stevevw said:
Please don't tell me your going to try and argue that a hand saw can cut like a jigsaw

A hand jigsaw cuts like a hand jigsaw.

stevevw said:
or planer. Lol. I have used plenty of both types of saws and for big jobs and hard cuts its always the powered saws. But I have used plenty of hand saws on smaller jobs or when I did not have a powered saw. In fact I trained in carpentry when I was young.

Well, that's start, anyway. Why did you not pursue the trade?

stevevw said:
But lets not get away from the point you did not acknowledge. Can we or can we not look at the signatures or marks on ancient works to try and work out what made them. Like in forensic but not exactly like.

I am sure we do this often when we find ancient stuff.

Of course. All archeologists do that. They also can argue with each other about their conclusions..

stevevw said:
Whatever you call it its the science of looking at marks to work out what made them and comparing them against all know methods already made. The more modern tech and analysis the more data we get to work out whats going on ie metallurgy can tell type of metal tool, scans can reveal deeper look at tool marks, or radiation or chemical and mineral content ect ect.

But the other side of the coin is this can also reveal what was not the tool or method. Like the scans on the unfinished obelisk. Though there was signatures of dolerite pounders. The research found that this was not the method that dug out the granite from around it. So though we may not be sure in some cases of what caused the marks. We can say that certain methods did not cause them at least.

Of course, but it really is a stretch to conclude that spiritual guidance was a part of their technology.

rambot · 2025-11-10T12:58:43-0600

Who are the wealthy new yorkers going to sell their properties to? Or are they just going to eat the "vacant dwelling" tax that mamdani will put in?

rambot · 2025-11-10T12:55:47-0600

I'm surprised you guys didn't expect this at all.

For MANY, this whole thing was a bit of a "Fad". In my mind everything that was happenning sounded like a fad; especially while watching my teenage daughter go through it all. I could see how her and her friends "interacted" with this phenomenon; for MANY of those kids, it is little more than a social "clique" or identifier.

For SOME of those kiddoes, it IS a real thing and THEY need the support no doubt.

The Liturgist · 2025-11-10T12:55:39-0600

Chesterton said:
What’s something small or local that always reminds you of home?

My Orthodox parish, small enough to get to know everyone, with its familiar presbyter and presbytera, icons, particular incense, choir and style of worship, and in the southwestern US at least its normal to share a meal after most services. The members of the local ekklesia become like family.

At times in the liturgy, I feel more at home there than at home, in fact, which is why this illness has been so frustrating.

Say it aint so · 2025-11-10T12:55:20-0600

friend of said:
Biden did the same thing

No. Biden or no one in Biden's circle tried to steal the election. Yes, they did pardon people who were on Trump et al enemies list, and Trump et al are proving why that was. None of these people with Biden as president were even gone after by his DOJ.

BPPLEE · 2025-11-10T12:54:45-0600

Say it aint so said:
I would suggest you take those tic tock videos with a large grain of salt.

They may be trolling Trump and Newsweek

Clare73 · 2025-11-10T12:54:11-0600

fhansen said:
And both were obtained by Adam at the Fall.
"of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil you shall not eat, for in the day that you eat of it you shall surely die.”

Which it took 930 years for his body to do.

The Hebrew is: "Dying, you shall die."

His spirit died (lost eternal life) and his body died years later.

Carl Emerson · 2025-11-10T12:52:09-0600

SabbathBlessings said:
He went away sad because he had great riches and placed his great riches over God. That is breaking the very first commandment Exo20:3. He may of known the commandments and was keeping some of them but we break one we break them all James2:11. Jesus never said to him, because you can't keep them, I'm going to change them, He allowed him to go away and place something above God, we are told plainly not to. God gives us to our free will, everything gets sorted out in His righteous judgement.

Through your theological lense I see why you have to interpret the passage as you do...

Your lense requires you to modify the plain reading of the text - this is a repeating pattern.

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