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Is Hell Annihilationism or Eternal Torment

Actually I am merely quoting the texts that you seem to find inconvenient.

My statement was that we do not get to the meaning of the Bible teaching on this topic by ignoring every detail in the texts that speak to the topic.


"the wages of sin is death" not eternal life , see Rom 8.

"the soul that sins it shall die" Ezek 18:4. That is speaking of the second death, seen in Rev 20. In Ezek 18 only the wicked die. That is not the case with the first death, the one that all die. It is only true of the second death , mentioned in Rev 21.
Funny that you don’t quote the verses that disagree with your doctrine. Let’s start with the obvious ones and work our way to others.

““Then He will also say to those on His left, ‘Depart from Me, you accursed people, into the eternal fire which has been prepared for the devil and his angels;”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭25‬:‭41‬ ‭NASB2020‬‬

Is the fire eternal but the people annihilated? So why the eternal fire?
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Dream of an attack

In this dream, I visited USA in LA as a tourist. We have relatives in LA so I stayed at their house. Then I saw live news of an attack also in LA just several blocks away our relative's house.

At first the authorities say a gas line had ruptured in small business compound and they sent firetrucks and police to handle the situation but they were quickly overcome by what seemed like a deliberate attack and then they sent the National guard who started shooting heavy ammunition towards the compound and they themselves were defeated as well.

It seems whatever they're shooting at inside the building is invulnerable to heavy machine gun fire which penetrated the building structure but not whatever is attacking inside. The National guard then retreated and attack seemed to cease.

With my utter curiosity, me and my sister walked towards ground-zero of the attack which has been cleared of all police, fire trucks, and the army as if nothing had happened. There were people (civilians) who are already at the building that's the source of the attack who appeared friendly and surprisingly invited us in.

We met the owner of the building who is an old man. He had lots of big dogs who barked at us at first but eventually became friendly. Then the old man showed us the source of the attacks and they were 9 to 10 ft tall ape-like creatures with dark gray hair who stood upright who looked like yetis and were very muscular.

They attacked with an unknown energy beam that came from their bodies. The creatures were gathering at the grounds of the building. We approached them but they seemed indifferent. Ironically, they looked harmless and didn't seem to care about our presence.

We then spent the night in one of the nearby houses of one of the people were there who gathered with the creatures. Past midnight, me and my sister returned to the compound where the creatures are gathering. The big dogs came to welcome us. and we saw the creatures who were now in formation, poised to do something. Then simultaneously, they fired their energy beams towards the neighborhood where we took a nap. The ground collapsed beneath the entire neighborhood, including the ground beneath the compound. It caused a massive landslide and took us with it. Incredibly, nobody died but I lost everything we brought with the trip, including my work laptop and phone! :( I worried a lot about my work that I'm going to miss a day or more and finding a way to let my bosses know without my stuff and having to guess their emails!

It's really ironic when I'm worried about my work more when it seems the world is about to ended by a bunch of bullet-proof Yetis with superpowers.

The yetis then vanished somehow but with the entire USA in panic and the army mobilized expecting another, possibly bigger attack.

The NEA is pushing far left teaching upon children

I did before I posted. (checks again) Yep. Still the same:

"A girl or young woman who exhibits masculine traits through her activities, behaviors and style."
Please note it is referring to a girl or young woman. Which has always been a reference to their sex. And this girl exhibits masculine traits, which is typically a reference she likes to do things boys like to do, such as hunt, fish, wrestle or play tackle football. The question quickly becomes is can't you be a girl inside and out and still like to do those things?
Why is trans OK with you if you get to call a trans person a "Tomboy? instead of a "boy?" If being trans is a sin, it's a sin whether you call a trans person a tomboy or a boy. Could you also say "butch" or "dyke" without offending your religious sensibilities?
Who calls a trans person a tomboy? What in earth is your point here? Where did you get the idea that tomboys are trans? Can't some girls like some boy things and still be girls? Who made the rule that if you are a tomboy you must be trans? (Or even lesbian).
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The Saving results of the Death of Christ !

For all those Christ died His death exclusively for them acquired:

The invalidation and dissolution of death of his power, Heb. 2:14

14 Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil;

2Tim 1:10

10 But is now made manifest by the appearing of our Saviour Jesus Christ, who hath abolished death, and hath brought life and immortality to light through the gospel:

All for whom Christ died He will make alive from the dead, even spiritual death, it for them has been invalidated.9
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A Conversion Journey

I don't mean to sound vain, but truth be told, I was highly intelligent from a very young age. At just over 24 hours old, with no training in mathematics, this little single cell was already doing division.

Those first nine months were the best months of my life. I was comfortable, warm and safe. Everything was soft, peaceful and quiet. [fart joke deleted] It was like being in a paradisiacal Garden. No rent, no mortgage. I toiled not for my food, it was given like manna from Heaven. I didn't even have to breathe! How cool is that? It was like what 20 year old Communists think Communism is like as long as they've never endured it.

Very early on though, I did have a slightly disappointing notion that I was meant for something more. Don't get me wrong, there's no shame in being in utero. It's just that I felt my potential was somewhat limited.

Eventually, like the Jews in the wilderness, I started complaining. The accomodations were not to my liking. I began to get restless. At about 20 weeks, I began moving. But there was nowhere to move to.

Then one day, something strange happened. I had the sensation of being pushed, and although they were muffled, I could hear the anguished cries, screams, yells, grunts and moans of someone who was obviously being tortured. "May God curse the cruel person responsible for inflicting such torment!" said I.

On a sudden, I realized I was being pushed towards the place (whatever a "place" is) from which this weeping and gnashing of teeth emanated. I was sure I was dying, and if I wasn't dying, I wanted no part of this place.

So I devised a plan. I managed to turn myself around 180 degrees from the direction towards which I was being pushed. That way, I could use my feet to brace against the forward motion. In the process I managed to wrap my umbilical cord around my neck. My memory is foggy; I can't recall if this was an accident or a suicide attempt.

In any event, my plan was foiled. My mother later told me that the doctor decided at the last minute that he had to do an emergency C-section to save both our lives. Afterwards the doctor told my mom that it was the longest, bloodiest and most dangerous C-section he'd ever done.* Mom never forgave me for that, and loved to remind me of it on every birthday of mine.

The only other things I remember of that day are being cold, and being physically assaulted by a slap to the butt, completely unprovoked. This was not good. Then I knew that man is born unto trouble, as the sparks fly upward.

* The stuff about trying to come out feet first, getting the cord around my neck, and the bloody C-section is true.
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Jordan says ICE agents ‘doing the Lord’s work’

Right, an act of speech or writing is not an assault.
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Minnesota is drowning in fraud.

Federal prosecutors announce fraud charges for 8 Housing Stabilization Services providers


Eight defendants are now facing federal fraud charges in connection with allegations of Medicaid fraud carried out by Housing Stabilization Services providers.

Acting U.S. Attorney for Minnesota Joseph Thompson announced on Thursday the first round of charges for people who abused a program that he declared to be “riddled with fraud.”
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Father, sons drowned teen daughter over her ‘Western lifestyle’

Are you serious?

It's literally THE most common murder: a loved one.

I mean, I'd agree it's messed up to murder your own family members. But THAT is the messed up part; the reasoning behind it is inconsequential to me.
London England:

The Metropolitan Police (Greater London) has recorded a high number of general "honour-based abuse" (HBA) incidents. In 2021-2022, they documented 1,213 cases, which included two attempted murders, 32 rapes, and 310 cases of forced marriage.

‘Honour-based’ offences soared by 81% in last five years | Crime | The Guardian ‘Honour-based’ offences soared by 81% in last five years

....As the Muslim population increases, 'honor offenses' increase. Facts.
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Minnesota is drowning in fraud.

It's fascinating that Conservatives in America are concerned about frauds perpetuated by people with dark coloured skin.

And, despite ALL The white collar fraud perpetuated against Americans by the super rich, you go after the browns. Starting thread after thread and threatenning to start thread after thread.


The rich are leading you guys around like.....

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So long as you focus on the dirty brown people you don't notice the billions going to the rich. In fact, you also only seem to prosecute and attack things related to dems.

It's just so very sad. There is just no integrity in the argument.


Do you prefer THIS kind of fraud?

Or what do you think about these accusations of fraud?

Pffft. You didn't read those articles. Why should anyone else?
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Minnesota is drowning in fraud.

In Landmark Sentence, Feeding Our Future Scheme Leader Sentenced to 28 Years in Prison

MINNEAPOLIS – Today, United States District Judge Nancy E. Brasel sentenced Abdiaziz Shafii Farah, age 36, to 28 years in prison followed by 3 years of supervised release for his role in a $300 million fraud scheme that exploited a federally funded child nutrition program during the COVID-19 pandemic, announced Acting U.S. Attorney Joseph H. Thompson. Farah was also ordered to pay restitution in the amount of $47,920,514.

Farah played a leading and role in the Feeding Our Future case, the largest Covid-19 fraud scheme in the United States. According to public documents, Farah and his co-defendants stole more than $47 million in program funds by claiming to serve 18 million meals to kids at more than 30 food distribution sites. In June 2024, after a seven-week trial before Judge Brasel, a federal jury convicted Farah of conspiracy to commit wire fraud, conspiracy to commit federal programs bribery, false statements in a passport application, conspiracy to commit money laundering, two counts of federal programs bribery, six counts of wire fraud, and 11 counts of money laundering.
Great! Looks like we have an example of a fraudster going to jail for his misdeeds.
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Minnesota is drowning in fraud.

In Landmark Sentence, Feeding Our Future Scheme Leader Sentenced to 28 Years in Prison

MINNEAPOLIS – Today, United States District Judge Nancy E. Brasel sentenced Abdiaziz Shafii Farah, age 36, to 28 years in prison followed by 3 years of supervised release for his role in a $300 million fraud scheme that exploited a federally funded child nutrition program during the COVID-19 pandemic, announced Acting U.S. Attorney Joseph H. Thompson. Farah was also ordered to pay restitution in the amount of $47,920,514.

Farah played a leading and role in the Feeding Our Future case, the largest Covid-19 fraud scheme in the United States. According to public documents, Farah and his co-defendants stole more than $47 million in program funds by claiming to serve 18 million meals to kids at more than 30 food distribution sites. In June 2024, after a seven-week trial before Judge Brasel, a federal jury convicted Farah of conspiracy to commit wire fraud, conspiracy to commit federal programs bribery, false statements in a passport application, conspiracy to commit money laundering, two counts of federal programs bribery, six counts of wire fraud, and 11 counts of money laundering.
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Minnesota is drowning in fraud.

SchemeDescriptionEstimated LossKey Details
Feeding Our Future (Pandemic Meal Program)Nonprofit allegedly billed for millions of meals never served to children, using fake attendance records and invoices.$250 million (largest U.S. pandemic fraud case)78+ charged since 2022; 56 convictions by 2025. Funds bought luxury cars, real estate in U.S., Turkey, and Kenya. Many defendants Somali.
Medicaid Housing Stabilization ServicesProgram for homeless support exploded in claims; fake housing aid billed.$302 million (2019–2024), ~90% fraudulentProviders surged 700% (41 to 328); terminated Aug. 2025. Somali-run firms dominant.
Autism Services FraudFake or exaggerated autism diagnoses for children to access therapy funds; coaching families involved.$14 million+ (one case); program costs from $3M (2018) to $399M (2023)Doctor and Somali aides charged; tied to broader Medicaid abuse.
Personal Care Attendant (PCA) & Childcare FraudOverbilling for non-existent home care or daycare; cash shipped via Minneapolis airport.$100M+ annually (2010s estimates); part of $1B+ total fraud crisis2018 reports of $40M+ cash flights to Somalia; ongoing since.


Saved time and effort finding information to back the OP - by using ai -
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"Don't Give up the Ship"

Even the killing of Osama bin Laden seemed dubious to me, and he was a bona fide terrorist leader.

Those were both known individuals with serious evidence against them, not anonymous alleged drug smugglers. Tell me, was al-
Farekh summarily gunned down when he was captured, or did he stand trial? You know the answer.

From a soldier's viewpoint, if Obama or Trump are doing wrong, it's for Congress to call them on it.

The soldier is responsible for what's in front of him: A bad guy caught doing bad guy things is a valid target. Whether or not Congress wanted me there at that time to catch that bad guy doing bad things and targeting him is not something I'm accountable for.
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