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David Lamb · 2025-11-07T03:51:18-0600

Apple Sky said:
You said ' The word "earth" occurs 44 times in Job, and not one of those times says anything about the shape of the earth. '

Well sorry but it does mention the shape of the earth.

Well, perhaps you could tell me which of the 44 mentions of earth in Job says that it is a flat disc. As I said, I looked at all 44, and couldn't find one. although I did find a verse that says God hangs the earth upon nothing, which doers fit with the globe earth.

Aristarkos · 2025-11-07T03:28:30-0600

Dan Perez said:
#D Peter was there. to turn these. GENTILE to. BE. Jews

No he was not, read Galatians 2 from the start. Peter feared the judgment of the Jews for eating with gentiles, it was this hypocrisy what Paul called him out on.

Aristarkos

Matt5 · 2025-11-07T03:13:14-0600

probinson said:
This is a weird take.

Mamdani needs the tax revenues from rich people to stay to pay for his proposed policies. I'm not sure why you don't understand that.

Maybe driving off the rich is a feature, not a bug. Seems counterintuitive.

If your life revolves around equality, then how does one even explain the rich?

There should be no rich. There can be only one explanation: they cheated. So the rich are the bad guys causing trouble. So why not drive them off?

But you need their money. Economic equality is more important, and so is payback for their crimes.

Bob Crowley · 2025-11-07T03:06:18-0600

JimR-OCDS said:
BTW I believe this was in the book written by William Shirer, who was an American journalist who followed
Ghandhi throughout most of his career in India.

I didn't know Shirer had written a book about Gandhi. I read his book "The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich" several times until my paperback copy fell apart.

I thought it was the definite history of the Third Reich.

South African racism, which was the home of Aparthied, had a bearing on his dislike of Christians.

Why Ghandi Didn't Become A Christian | Good News Unlimited

Mohandas Ghandi was surely one of the greatest moral leaders of the modern times. Ghandi was once asked what he thought about Western Civilisation. Gandhi

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What many people don’t know is that Ghandi for a period very seriously considered becoming a Christian. He studied the gospels intensely, and it is reported that he even sold Christian Bibles for a time.

In this period, while he was intensely studying the gospel in South Africa, Ghandi heard about a small Christian church in his area, and he decided to attend the church service. But when he arrived, he was stopped at the door by the English elder on duty, who said to him,

“Where do you think you’re going, kaffir?” (Kaffir is a term of racial abuse for dark-skinned people in South Africa.)

Gandhi replied, “I’d like to attend worship here.” Then church elder said to him,

“There’s no room for kaffirs in this church. Get out of here or I’ll have my assistants throw you down the steps.”

Many years later, the missionary Stanley Jones asked Ghandi why he had not become a Christian. Ghandi replied, “I like your Christ. I do not like your Christians. They are so unlike your Christ.”

Apple Sky · 2025-11-07T03:06:14-0600

Strong in Him said:
How many times do you need to be told that the words AS and LIKE are similes; they are comparing something to something else?
E.g "the clouds were like cotton wool". It doesn't mean that the clouds literally are cotton wool.

Job says that the earth takes shape LIKE clay under a seal - and by the way, seals could be square, rectangular or even star shaped. That doesn't mean that the earth IS clay under a seal - round, or otherwise.
If you believe the first words of that verse are literal, then the rest of it has to be literal too. So how are the features of the earth like those of a garment? How do the buildings, mountains, rivers, seas, waterfalls etc resemble buttons, zips, decorations etc on a garment?

Everyone knows what this verse is all about unless of course someone can't read.

davetaff · 2025-11-07T03:01:03-0600

Hi
When we die we go to sleep and remain asleep until the resurrection of the dead. When we sleep we are conscious of nothing until Christ wakes us up.

Love and Peace
Dave

Tom D · 2025-11-07T03:00:19-0600

Multifavs said:
I finally wrote a little more of my story, but then I kind of got stuck again. I hope I feel better very soon so I can really get back to writing, start making animations, and do all the other things I've been wanting to do!

It's good to have a creative hobby like writing stories or poems or painting, rather than just watching TV or playing video games. That makes one's life so much more interesting.

Apple Sky · 2025-11-07T02:58:44-0600

David Lamb said:
That doesn't prove that the earth is flat. Besides, unless you believe that the sea has literal doors, that the seas burst forth from a literal womb, that the sea is literally dressed in clouds, and has a literal swaddling band, or that death has literal gates and doors, the whole passage is poetic.

You said ' The word "earth" occurs 44 times in Job, and not one of those times says anything about the shape of the earth. '

Well sorry but it does mention the shape of the earth.

Christsfreeservant · 2025-11-07T02:55:05-0600

“First of all, then, I urge that entreaties and prayers, petitions and thanksgivings, be made on behalf of all men, for kings and all who are in authority, so that we may lead a tranquil and quiet life in all godliness and dignity. This is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Savior, who desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth.” (1 Timothy 2:1-4 NASB1995)

What are these entreaties, prayers, and petitions? They can be requests to God for some kind of answers to our questions, or for his guidance in our decision making, i.e. in what direction to go, or for some kind of action to be taken, or for his grace, mercy, strength and wisdom to help us and others in times of need. And it can be praying for the salvation of loved ones or other people we know, or for people we don’t know but who are in positions of authority over other people in the nations of the world, or in the church.

But when we pray, and when we petition our Lord, what we ask for should align with the Scriptures and should not be contradictory to the Scriptures. And when we pray for other people we should have some kind of knowledge of who they are, and what they are about, and regarding their needs or the things that they do. It should take into account their moral character, too. And if they profess faith in Jesus Christ, see what evidence in their character and behaviors supports that they truly are of biblical faith in the Lord Jesus.

And why is that important? So that we are praying according to the will of God, as best as we understand it, and we are not praying against his will. For example, we do have people in positions of governance in our nations who are not good people in character, and who do not exemplify what it means to be a Christian, even if they profess to be Christians. So we should not pray for their success in what they are doing if what they are doing is pure evil. And so we should pray for wisdom to discern good from evil.

And we should not go by what the news media is telling us, or even by what our leaders are telling us about who they are and what they are doing. For honestly we can’t trust them to tell us the truth, for so many of them are not good people in character and in deed. So many are liars, manipulators, tricksters, and sociopaths who disregard others’ rights, and who are deceitful and aggressive, with a reckless disregard for the safety of others, and who are lacking in true remorse, without conscience. So test the spirits!

[Matthew 7:15-23; Matthew 24:11-24; Luke 6:26; John 10:1-15; Romans 16:17-19; 2 Corinthians 11:3,13-15; Ephesians 4:11-16; Philippians 3:2; 2 Peter 2:1-22; 1 Thessalonians 5:19-22; 1 Timothy 1:3-7; 1 Timothy 6:3-10; 2 Timothy 3:1-9; 1 John 4:1-6; Jude 1:1-25]

So how we pray and what we pray should take into consideration who we are praying for and what they are all about in character, in word, and in deed. For not everyone is who they say they are, sadly so. Many “wolves in sheep’s clothing” and charlatans are among us in positions of power and great influence over the people of the world. And they are government heads, newscasters, pastors of “churches,” CEOs of corporations, famous book authors, and teachers, evangelists, and preachers of the Word of God.

So ask the Lord for wisdom to know who is of God and who is not of God, and who is faking being of God in order to trick, deceive, manipulate, and cause harm to the people of the world. There are many of them! And I am not here to name names, but to bring to our attention that these types of people do exist among us who are not who they profess to be, kind of like the Pharisees of Jesus’ day who Jesus warned his disciples about. And then pray according to the will of God, to the best of your understanding.

[James 1:5-8; James 4:1-10; 1 Peter 3:7; John 15:1-11; 1 John 5:14-15; 1 John 1:5-9; etc.]

Pray, Pray, Pray

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Pray that eyes may enlightened be,
So they may know Christ.
Pray that they may Him better know,
Strengthened by His pow’r.
Pray that they may grasp
How wide and long
And high and deep
Is Christ’s love.
Pray that they may be filled
To the fullness of God’s love.
Pray with thanksgiving.

Pray for an open door for me,
So I may share Christ.
Pray when the gospel is proclaimed –
Shared with clarity.
Pray words are given me so
I declare the gospel fearlessly.
I pray for you to be active
Sharing your faith, too.
Pray continually.

We oft not know for what to pray,
So we ask for help.
The Spirit intercedes for us –
Words cannot express.
Just keep on praying for the saints
With all kinds of requests to God.
Pray they may have faith to
Please their God in ev’ry way.
Pray with joyfulness.

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keras · 2025-11-07T02:52:57-0600

Strong in Him said:
It's because you have misread and misapplied Scripture

In your unsupported opinion.
The charge if misreading and misapplying, would stick if Gods plans were all over and what I thought would happen; didn't.
But it's not all over yet by a long way, so your accusations are invalid.

Strong in Him said:
it's because I did read it that I reject your interpretation.

Your reason to reject my explanation is because it cannot apply to todays situation, correct?
This is simply not good enough, if Zechariah 5 isn't for today, then when was or will it be?

Strong in Him said:
Or maybe you just expect us to swallow what you say without question.

No, but flat rejection without a feasible alternative, is unacceptable.

Strong in Him said:
I believe, and know, the Lord has shown me many things through his word - "end times teachings" are not one of them.

Why are you here then, discussing end time things?
The Lord has opened my eyes to how many of His Words thru the Prophets, will be accomplished. My given family name even supports my calling. Kerras, pronounced Keraz. Strongs 8745

Strong in Him said:
if Iran does end up getting a nuclear bomb, firing it and then getting destroyed, or whatever, no doubt you will take delight in the fact that you were "correct".

I will delight in the Lords punishment of the ungodly enemies. Isaiah 66:15-17, Romans 2:18, +

Strong in Him · 2025-11-07T02:50:54-0600

Apple Sky said:
Job 38:14 The earth takes shape like clay under a seal; its features stand out like those of a garment.

How many times do you need to be told that the words AS and LIKE are similes; they are comparing something to something else?
E.g "the clouds were like cotton wool". It doesn't mean that the clouds literally are cotton wool.

Job says that the earth takes shape LIKE clay under a seal - and by the way, seals could be square, rectangular or even star shaped. That doesn't mean that the earth IS clay under a seal - round, or otherwise.
If you believe the first words of that verse are literal, then the rest of it has to be literal too. So how are the features of the earth like those of a garment? How do the buildings, mountains, rivers, seas, waterfalls etc resemble buttons, zips, decorations etc on a garment?

David Lamb · 2025-11-07T02:48:28-0600

Apple Sky said:
Job 38:14 The earth takes shape like clay under a seal; its features stand out like those of a garment.

That doesn't prove that the earth is flat. Besides, unless you believe that the sea has literal doors, that the seas burst forth from a literal womb, that the sea is literally dressed in clouds, and has a literal swaddling band, or that death has literal gates and doors, the whole passage is poetic.

Richard T · 2025-11-07T02:39:33-0600

her biggest fault was her help in leading America into a budget and social security funding crisis. I w3ould rank her in the top ten of all time for this. Biden perhaps is number one. Trump seems likely to crack the top ten too. I have not done the measurements lately, but the methodology that I use for determining what USA leaders owe the USA the most because the the debt they let build are based on the following:
US House member, 1/3rd of the blame/435
U.S. Senator, 1/3 of the blame/100
U.S. President 1/3rd of the blame

The blame = the total sum of the public debt that was created in the years they were in power.

It is not perfect, because a few are not so reckless and vote against high flying budgets. I am 99% certain though in Pelosi's case that is not true. Plus a more sophisticated model, would assign her more weight during the years she was Speaker.

by virtue of her longetivity I think she cracks the top ten.

Apple Sky · 2025-11-07T02:31:18-0600

David Lamb said:
The word "earth" occurs 44 times in Job, and not one of those times says anything about the shape of the earth.

Job 38:14 The earth takes shape like clay under a seal; its features stand out like those of a garment.

David Lamb · 2025-11-07T02:22:26-0600

Apple Sky said:
But the book of Job does.

Yet you said in post 587: "There is no verse that specifically states that the earth is flat." Now you say that the Book of Job does. The word "earth" occurs 44 times in Job, and not one of those times says anything about the shape of the earth. The words, "He (God) hangs the earth upon nothing" (Job 26:7) do fit well with a globe earth. I wonder which part of the book of Job you are thinking of that says the earth is flat.

Strong in Him · 2025-11-07T02:22:10-0600

Apple Sky said:
This maybe but I still don't think God placed the sun 93 million miles away - Think about it!

I don't understand how, but I think 93,000,000 miles in space is different to 93,000,000 on land.

I was thinking about this the other day. When I am sitting on a bus I can look out of the window and see a plane; sometimes I might ever be able to see the logo on the plane. Yet I doubt that, if I were in that plane and looking out of the window, I would be able to see the UK, Chester and someone sitting on a bus looking out of the window.
So how we see things, is different.

Richard T · 2025-11-07T02:21:30-0600

iluvatar5150 said:
It could matter for things like redistricting and constitutional amendments.

JSRG said:

Is there any practical difference between them having a supermajority and a majority?

The big difference would that you need a supermajority to override a governor's veto. But given the fact the governor is Republican too, that doesn't seem like it matters much for now. So is there any practical difference that has been achieved here?

Click to expand...

From google ai"The loss of the Republican supermajority in the Mississippi Senate (following the 2023 elections) has a significant impact because Mississippi law specifically requires a three-fifths (3/5) majority to pass revenue bills. The GOP no longer has enough members to pass such bills without bipartisan support."

Ai's answer was wrong on the date. So I then asked"
You sure it was the 2023 election and not the 2025 election?
Thinking
Searching

You are correct to question the timing. My previous response contained outdated information regarding when the supermajority was lost.

The Mississippi GOP did not lose their supermajority in the 2023 election. They lost it in the 2025 election, which just occurred on Tuesday, November 4, 2025.

Apple Sky · 2025-11-07T02:11:44-0600

prodromos said:
About the Psalms and parts of Job, definitely.

How does one know which parts of Job is poetic ?

Apple Sky · 2025-11-07T02:08:37-0600

David Lamb said:
What many of us say (and I think you have agreed) is that Genesis does not mention the earth's shape.

But the book of Job does.

rjs330 · 2025-11-07T02:08:11-0600

Tropical Wilds said:
The difference is you’re looking at their car, saying yours is worse, and thus they don’t deserve food.

No its about wasting money. I have a lesser car because im buying my own food and thus need to have a lesser car.

The other party has a nicer car because someone else, including me is subsidizing them.

Its about being responsible with our money. Its unethical to take advantage of your neighbors for your own benefit. We have far too many people in America doing that.

Tropical Wilds said:
You’re thinking your total ignorance on how snap is calculated and the assumptions you’re making about what they spend in other areas of their life somehow represents fact.

Its about waste a fraud. There is too much waste ( getting assistance that don't need it or shouldn't be getting it) and fraud ( people are cheating the system). Im sure you know that happens.

We dont need a lecture on how it works. There are people who are honest and need it. There are people who dont need it or shouldnt have it and there are people who cheat. We want to stop all that and ensure that only those who need it, get it.

CoreyD · 2025-11-07T02:07:26-0600

Job 33:6 said:
The beginning is when God created the heavens and the earth.

That's correct.

Job 33:6 said:
But that's not about material origins. It's about the beginning of God's actions.

Why not?

Job 33:6 said:
Example:
In the beginning when I made a pizza, the pizza was formless and empty.
Or
When I began to make a pizza, the pizza was formeless and empty.

These two statements are not the same.
"When I began", is not the same as "in the beginning".
When I began to make pizza, I had not made pizza. That's quite different to, I made pizza at this time - in the beginning.

Job 33:6 said:
These statements do not say anything about how long the pizza was formless before I began to create it.

One of those statements expressly say God created the earth. I made the pizza, but it was incomplete.
Pizza is only pizza when it is completed though.. or maybe not. It can be uncooked pizza.
The earth does not need to have "toppings" in order to be physically earth.

Artist's conception of Hadean Eon Earth, when it was much hotter and inhospitable to all forms of life.

Job 33:6 said:
At the time of creation, the earth was formless. But nothing is said about how long the earth was formless before that time.

At the time of creation, the earth was formless.
That's it!
The earth existed at creation. It was something, but formless, or waste.

The phrase "the earth was formless and empty" in Genesis 1:2 describes the initial state of the earth immediately after its creation, characterized by chaos and lack of order. The Hebrew words used are "tohu" (תֹּהוּ), meaning "formless," "confusion," or "emptiness," and "bohu" (בֹּהוּ), meaning "void," "empty," or "without content". Together, "tohu v’bohu" (תֹּהוּ וָבֹהוּ) form a compound expression signifying a state of primordial matter that was shapeless, desolate, and devoid of life or structure.
This condition is not the result of a prior creation and destruction, as suggested by the gap theory, but rather the starting point of God's creative work, where the earth existed as an unformed and empty waste before God began to bring order. Darkness covered the surface of the deep, which is described as a chaotic, surging mass of water, and the Spirit of God was hovering over the waters, indicating divine presence and preparation for the act of creation.

Job 33:6 said:
Genesis 1:1-2 NRSVUE
[1] When God began to create the heavens and the earth, [2] the earth was complete chaos, and darkness covered the face of the deep, while a wind from God swept over the face of the waters.

The Bible doesn't say how long the earth was formless before God began to create it by giving it form.

Genesis 1:1-2 NRSV
[1] In the beginning when God created the heavens and the earth, [2] the earth was a formless void and darkness covered the face of the deep, while a wind from God swept over the face of the waters.

Job 33:6 said:
The beginning is when God began to create the heavens and the earth. It is not about the beginning of the material origins of the universe. Just like, in the beginning when I made/created a pizza, the pizza was formless, doesn't say anything about how long the formless pizza was around before I put it in the oven.

According to the reading of Genesis, the beginning is when God created the heavens and earth. Not began to.
However, I like your illustration here, since you now need to put the pizza in the oven, to make it just right.

prodromos · 2025-11-07T02:07:04-0600

Apple Sky said:
Someone claimed that Genesis 1 is poetic, is this true ?

I don't think anyone made that claim about Genesis 1. About the Psalms and parts of Job, definitely.
Genesis 1 is revealing God as our creator and our place within His creation. It isn't about teaching physics or chemistry or biology or geography. Anyone focusing on any of those has missed the point entirely.

Apple Sky · 2025-11-07T02:02:11-0600

Chicken curry

Strong in Him · 2025-11-07T02:00:26-0600

keras said:
This is another unfair and unjust criticism.
With the issue of Zechariah 5 and the 12 theories of the OP, it is because I challenge peoples long held beliefs by providing scriptures and modern knowledge to show them to be wrong, that causes upset.

Not in my case. It's because you have misread and misapplied Scripture

keras said:
But instead of checking my references and making sure of their position, I get the 'knee jerk' rection of flat rejection,

In my case, I'm talking only about Zechariah 5.
To be fair to you, I had not read this chapter before I read your pronouncements, so you have at least got me to do that.
But it's because I did read it that I reject your interpretation.
From what I can understand, people who are far more knowledgeable than I, also reject your interpretations and teachings. I wouldn't know about those unless you'd told me.

keras said:
You ask questions instead of giving answers.

So asking questions is "frivolous" is it? How do you expect anyone to learn without asking questions?
Or maybe you just expect us to swallow what you say without question.

How can I give answers when I don't know, and don't believe it is my place to give answers anyway?
I believe, and know, the Lord has shown me many things through his word - "end times teachings" are not one of them.

keras said:
It may just be best to drop this issue and wait for what the Lord intends to do with Iran.

Well yes.
And if Iran does end up getting a nuclear bomb, firing it and then getting destroyed, or whatever, no doubt you will take delight in the fact that you were "correct".
It doesn't alter that fact that you have read into the text of Zechariah 5, insisted a scroll is the same as a basket and that it is covered in lead which has to refer to a nuclear bomb.

Perpetual Student · 2025-11-07T01:56:21-0600

Landon Caeli said:
Bill Gates, the Microsoft co-founder who has spent billions of his own money to raise the alarm about the dangers of climate change, is now pushing back against what he calls a “doomsday outlook” and appears to have shifted his stance on the risks posed by a warming planet.

he wrote. “People will be able to live and thrive in most places on Earth for the foreseeable future.”

It arrives a week before world leaders gather in Belém, Brazil, for the United Nations annual climate summit, known this year as COP30. Mr. Gates, who turned 70 on Tuesday and has attended the event in previous years, will not be participating.

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/10/28/climate/bill-gates-climate-change-humanity.html?unlocked_article_code=1.w08.otzW.hDLZWjtDtQNF&smid=url-share

When I have more time I will write a more elaborate respond, but for short:
1) Bill Gates isn't a scientist - and certainly not a climatologist
2) I have never seen a scientist claiming that humanity would die out due to global warming
3) Between "not dying" out and "no reason to worry", there is quite a stretch. There is still a lot of room for a lot of suffering.

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