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timothyu · 2025-12-04T12:58:15-0600

Those of the Kingdom will be reunited with the tree of life while the rest will not. No different than the elohim, where to loyal remain with the tree of life while the fallen will not.

iluvatar5150 · 2025-12-04T12:57:18-0600

Landon Caeli said:
What sense does it make at all, that Trump would pardon Hernandez, if there wasn't factual evidence that the Biden DOJ did something shady?

Trump exhibits poor and/or corrupt and self-serving judgment on a regular basis. How would him following the advice of former associate and fellow criminal Roger Stone not make sense given his track record?

Larniavc · 2025-12-04T12:56:57-0600

Will no one stand up for Trump?

GoldenBoy89 · 2025-12-04T12:56:03-0600

essentialsaltes said:
DOGEd

Trump team revokes $11 billion in funding for addiction, mental health care
Drug overdoses linked to fentanyl and other substances have declined sharply in recent years, thanks in part to a surge in funding for addiction treatment during the Biden administration. But street drugs still kill more than 84,000 people in the U.S. every year, according to the latest data from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

President Donald Trump has made fentanyl smuggling a top concern during the opening weeks of his administration, extending an emergency declaration linked to the powerful street opioid.

But his team has also rapidly slashed the number of federal researchers focused on addiction and Trump pardoned a tech mogul convicted of building a "dark web" platform used to traffic illicit drugs.

The Substance Abuse and Mental Health Services Administration is also being merged into a new organization, called the Administration for a Healthy America (AHA), as part of a restructuring of HHS that's expected to eliminate 20,000 federal employees.

AHA, of course.

essentialsaltes · 2025-12-04T12:56:01-0600

Four law enforcement sources told CBS News the suspect is 30-year-old Brian Cole of Woodbridge, Virginia, outside Washington, D.C. He is expected to be charged in federal court in Washington on Thursday, according to an FBI source. The school district for Prince William County, Virginia, which includes Woodbridge, confirmed to CBS News that Cole graduated from high school in 2013.

Hentenza · 2025-12-04T12:55:49-0600

Bro.T said:
Let's take a look at Roman 8: 1 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. This is true, because Jesus says in John 4: 24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth. Jesus also say in John 6: 63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life. So walking in the spirit is the word of God, which is keeping is Commandments Jesus says in John 14: 15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.

2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death. Abraham was a good example of this Spirit of life in Christ Jesus. Because he believe and had faith, and his works prove it. By faith Abraham, when he was called to go out into a place which he should after receive for an inheritance, obeyed; and he went out, not knowing whither he went. By faith he sojourned in the land of promise, as in a strange country, dwelling in tabernacles with Isaac and Jacob, the heirs with him of the same promise: (Hebrews 11:8,9) Also this was before the Children of Israel, before the Lord instituted the priesthood, the Commandment, Statues and Judgement.

So now, when we deal with the last part of that verse…..made me free from the law of sin and death. 3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:

Now, what law is this Paul talking about. This law is animal sacrificial law, not the royal law (Ten Commandments, statutes and Judgement). Paul explained this law in; (Heb.10:1, 9-10,18,26-27) (v.1) For the law (what law, the law of animal sacrifice?) having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect. (v.9) Then said he, (Jesus) Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first that he may establish the second. (v.10) By which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.

When Jesus died on the cross that was the end of the first covenant, which consisted of the blood of animals and the keeping of God’s commandments. And his death also brought in the second covenant, which consist of the blood of Jesus and the keeping of God’s commandments. (v.18) Now where remission of these is, there is no more offering for sin. In other words, no more animals are going to die for your sins. (v.26) For if we sin willfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins.

Now do we understand what’s being said here? If you sin willfully after you have knowledge of what the truth is, no more animals are going to die for you. (v.27) But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries. Now if you are being deceived into believing that once you are under God’s grace you no longer have to keep his commandments, all you have to look forward to is the day of judgement and the lake of fire (fiery indignation).

Now, Let's get back to Romans 8: 4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. 5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit. 6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace. 7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be. 8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.

So what is the righteousness of the law? Let allow Paul to tell us in Paul said in (Rom. 7:7,12) (v.7) What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, THOU SHALT NOT COVET. Paul asked a question, is the law sin? He said God forbid, he said the only way that he knew what sin was, was by the law. (v.12) Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.

The Sabbath day on the seventh day of the week, it is consider walking in the spirit because its part of the law (Commandments), to be carnally minded is walk contrary to the law of righteousness. It says in (1John 3:4) Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law. Now we have just read the biblical definition of sin, the transgression (breaking) of the law (commandments.) It doesn’t matter what you or I think sin is, it’s what God says sin is that counts. So keeping the Sabbath day is one of the most important laws of all the laws.

Paul says in (Rom. 13:7-10) (v.7) Render therefore to all their dues: tribute to whom tribute is due; custom to whom custom; fear to whom fear; honour to whom honour. (v.8) Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law. That’s the biblical definition of love, the keeping of God’s law. (v.9) For this, THOU SHALT NOT COMMIT ADULTERY, THOU SHALT NOT KILL, THOU SHALT NOT BEAR FALSE WITNESS, THOU SHALT NOT COVET; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, THOU SHALT LOVE THY NEIGHBOUR AS THYSELF. (v.10) Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.

And that is what God’s holy commandments are all about; the first four tells you how to love God and the last six tells you how to love your neighbor. If you love your God you will not do any thing to offend him, like having other gods before him. You will do as he says like Remember the Sabbath day to keep it holy on the seventh day of the week. If you love him you will obey him when he tells you not to eat certain meats etc… And the same goes for your fellow man, if you love your neighbor you wouldn’t steal from him, you wouldn’t kill him, you wouldn’t try and sleep with his wife and so on and so forth. (See exodus 20: 1-17)

This is God’s definition of love and it is perfect in its ways. The law of the LORD is perfect, converting the soul: The testimony of the LORD is sure, making wise the simple. The statutes of the LORD are right, rejoicing the heart: The commandment of the LORD is pure, enlightening the eyes. 9 The fear of the LORD is clean, enduring for ever: The judgments of the LORD are true and righteous altogether. More to be desired are they than gold, yea, than much fine gold: Sweeter also than honey and the honeycomb. Moreover by them is thy servant warned: And in keeping of them there is great reward. (Psalm 19: 7-11)

The book say in Revelation 21: 8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

Within this wall of text there still is not a post crucifixion verse that requires the Christian to keep the 4th commandment. Also, within the same wall of text, there is not a verse prior to Moses that shows anyone keeping the sabbath. Still waiting.

Dave... · 2025-12-04T12:47:37-0600

bling said:
I fully agree with the idea of the indwelling Holy Spirit being our guarantee of God fulfilling all of his other promises.

I also believe prior to being “born again” we do not have Godly type Love and the only way we obtain this gift is by humbly accepting God’s Love in the form of forgiveness as pure undeserved charity (Luke 7) We have to accept being forgiven of an unbelievable huge debt to automatically obtain and unbelievable huge Love (Godly type Love).

I think your missing the reason and value to water baptism:

New Christians may not tap into everything that is available to them to help them experience the transformation:

I do not know of any Christian group, who believe the water itself saves you, since all believe it is God who saves and God is not limited by water.

Water baptism is not a “requirement” for salvation, since God does the saving, but is something Christians get to do to help them and others.

I know that I needed everything God could provide to assure me of my conversion, both outwardly and mentally. God wants you to physically feel the experience of what is going on Spiritually.

You would like to add to your conversion a definite time place and physical experience, which God has provided for you.

Adult believers water immersion is to be a physical outward representation of what had or is happening spiritually in the person being baptized. It is mainly to help the individual being baptized to better grasp what is going on, but it can “witness” to others observing the baptism. It has the elements of going down under the water (burying the old man), placing your dependence in another; the person baptizing you (surrendering your life to God), being washed (having your sins washed away), rising out of the water (rising from the old dead body), and stepping forth out onto the earth (a new person). The person is walking out into the hugs of his new family. It is also a sign of your humility, since it is a humbling act anyone can simple allow someone to do to them (so not a work) and since humility has been shown in the accept of charity (God’s free gift of undeserving forgiveness) it should just support and add to the memory of that acceptance. To refuse Christian water baptism when it is readily available might mean you are not ready to handle other responsibility like having the indwelling Holy Spirit and you are hurting yourself.

Christian Baptism replaced John’s Baptism and not circumcision, since circumcision went on at the same time as John’s baptism and it is not in the Bible where, Jewish Christians cease circumcising their boy children after baptism became available. Circumcision was a physical visible daily reminder to all Jewish boys and men that they were a Jew. The indwelling Holy Spirit is our literal daily reminder that we are Christians. The indwelling Holy Spirit replaced circumcision and is for both men and women.

Hey bling.

It's important to note that the word baptism simply means to place into, or immerse. I think a mistake that many people make today is that they assume water into the definition of the word baptize. I baptize my French fries with catchup, but catchup is not any more part of the definition of the word baptize than water is. Many times the context will explain what that agent is, or who the baptizer is, like Matthew 3:11. Jesus is the baptizer, and the Holy Spirit is the Agent of that baptism.

Peter in 1 Peter 3:21 made it a point to contrast the "type" water baptism, with the "antitype", or real thing, that being Spirit baptism. The agent of the baptism that saves is the Holy Spirit, rather than water, which is, as you noted, just a symbolic public display of an inward reality that has already taken place. Some people at this point will claim that the water baptism initiates the Spirit baptism, but that's not true either. It's a baptism by faith, as Paul noted over and over in Galatians 3.

R.C. Sproul believes that water baptism replaced circumcision. It sounds right but I don't really know. The types only point to the spiritual truths. unfortunately, when a person is not seeing the spiritual truths, for whatever reason, they sometimes try to apply the power to the types, and not the truths that those types point to. False teachers do this all the time, knowing that many people who cannot see will fall for these things.

Dan Perez · 2025-12-04T12:47:19-0600

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Guojing said:
Not too sure about that procedure.

Because while the New Testament indeed began with the death of Christ, it does not follow that the New Covenant also began then.

It will be clearer if you read Hebrews 9 in the KJV, they differentiate between covenant and testament correctly.

And if you recall the Old covenant of Law, it started not when Moses was given the 10 commandments at Mount Sinai, it only started after the nation of Israel collectively agreed to fulfill the requirements at Exodus 24.

You quoted Pauline scripture in your posts but they are not referring to the Body of Christ under the New covenant.

Paul never said we are under Israel's new covenant, instead, he made it clear that those covenants belong to Israel (Romans 9:4).

And in. Matt 10:5. and 6 reads The 12 .Jesus sent out. and commanded. them saying . DO NOT // ME is a

DISJUNCATIVE PARTICLE NEGATIVE meaning NEVERRRR. go. the the GENTLES and do NOT // ME a DISJUNCATIVE

PARTICLE NEGATIVE. , enter a city of the Samaritans

verse 6. , But go rather to THE LOST SHEEP of. the House of Israel

This show that the 4 gospel are spoken to ISRAEL. and not GENTILES and also not to the NEW COVENANT !!

dan p

keras · 2025-12-04T12:46:48-0600

Strong in Him said:
Nowhere did Jesus say, "read the words of Isaiah/Zechariah/Daniel and work out what they could apply to and how they could be fulfilled in the future."

Jesus certainly did quote the ancient Prophets and He respected them, as did 2 Peter 1:19

Your idea that we should not try to understand he Prophesies, is a much worse misapplication of scripture, than mine.
Daniel 12:10b says that some will understand, but most will not. Easy to figure your category.

Benaiah468 · 2025-12-04T12:45:59-0600

The weekly Torah portion Vayishlach (Genesis 32:4–36:43) describes how Jacob, after returning to Canaan, meets his brother Esau, the struggle with the mysterious opponent, and Jacob's name change to Israel.

YHVH had promised Jacob when he dreamed of the ladder:

And, behold, I am with thee, and will keep thee in all places whither thou goest, and will bring thee again into this land; for I will not leave thee, until I have done that which I have spoken to thee of. Gen 28:15

After twenty years in a foreign land, YHVH was now about to fulfil his promise:

I am the G-d of Bethel, where thou anointedst the pillar, and where thou vowedst a vow unto me: now arise, get thee out from this land, and return unto the land of thy kindred. Gen 31:13

Jacob gratefully acknowledges that when he left for Haran, he had nothing but a staff, and now, on his return home, he looks at his blessings and riches: now I am become two bands. Gen 32:10b

Is Jacob's return home with his two wives not a prophetic image of the future return of the entire house of Israel, the house of Judah and the house of Israel?

Leah and Rachel with their children represent two bands. And just as YHVH changed Jacob's fate, he will change the fate of His people Israel and Judah:

I will cause them to return to the land that I gave to their fathers, and they shall possess it. Jer 30:3b

He will bring us home. Jacob was afraid of meeting his brother Esau:

Jacob was greatly afraid and distressed (yatsar). Yatsar can mean to be in distress, a strait, as it is a primitive root that can describe being pressed, narrow, or vexed.

A strait is a place in the sea where two land masses come close together, forming a narrow passage. The image conveys confrontation. It
is reminiscent of the situation when the Israelites were at the Red Sea, with the sea in front of them and the Egyptians behind them. An existential threat.

and also he [Esau] cometh to meet thee, and four hundred men with him. Gen 32:6b

Confrontation: Will Esau kill him? Or even Jacob threatening his brother Esau. Him against Esau and four hundred men? Him and Esau. Jacob had forgotten YHWH's promise:

I am with thee, and will keep thee in all places whither thou goest, and will bring thee again into this land; Gen 28:15b

Jacob thought up various strategies for how he could reconcile with his brother or how he could achieve maximum safety. He tried to resolve the delicate situation in a human way.

When Jacob had done all he could do, he was left alone, and a man wrestled with him until dawn broke (Genesis 32:24). The Hebrew word for man is ish. So it was indeed a man, not a messenger (malak). When he left and fled from Esau, he was alone, and now on his return, on that night, he was alone again. At that time, he had nothing but a staff, and now he had acquired riches. Jacob had an encounter with YHVH on his way home, face to face. It is said that Jacob wrestled with G-d and with men and won. To be a Jew means to wrestle with G-d and to fight.

Abraham wrestled with YHVH to spare the people of Sodom and Gomorrah if enough righteous people could be found in the city. Moses wrestled with YHVH to spare His people after their idolatry of the golden calf. Job challenges YHVH about his suffering. The text says that Jacob wrestled with a man, ish. And a few verses later it says that Jacob wrestled with G-d and with men. The word for men here is no longer ish, but anashim, coming from anash, meaning weak, sick, frail, malicious, ill.

Had Jacob also wrestled with his human nature?

Weak, unbelieving, malicious.

Malicious: How will I face Esau when he wants to kill me? It should be emphasised that Jacob had to face Esau on his way home to the Promised Land, and this caused him to fear for his life. The Israelites went through a similar situation: Pharaoh and the sea, no way out.

We will be led back to our land and will encounter the line of Esau.

Why?

Because YHVH proclaims the end from the beginning (Isaiah 46:10) and all biblical events are prophetic of the last (acharon) generation. We will be led into this fear of death. Let us then trust that YHVH has said:

For, lo, the days come, saith the Lord, that I will bring again the captivity of my people Israel and Judah, saith the Lord: and I will cause them to return to the land that I gave to their fathers, and they shall possess it... it is even the time of Jacob's trouble, but he shall be saved out of it. Jer 30:3 .7b

I deeply believe that we should take this message to heart spirit: We will be led home, to the land that is part of our marriage covenant; it will be a time of fear, but we will be helped out of it. One can read the following Bible passage, Genesis 35:1-2, personally as follows:

And G-d said unto Jacob [the house of Israel and the house of Judah], Arise [first of all spiritually, in understanding who Jesus and the Torah is], go up to Bethel [to the Kingdom, spiritually and later literally], and dwell there: and make there an altar [in your heart] unto G-d [YHVH], that appeared unto thee when thou fleddest from the face of Esau thy brother. Then Jacob said unto his household, and to all that were with him, Put away the strange gods that are among you [all pagan, non-Torah thoughts, customs and practices within you], and be clean
[mikvah, now follow the ways of the Torah], and change your garments: [bring yourself into accordance with the Torah]. Gen 35:1-2

rjs330 · 2025-12-04T12:41:45-0600

rambot said:
I wonder how this poisoning of the term empathy came about? It seems like a new idea, to put boundaries on compassion and empathy.

Part of the challenges of faith are the exact thing they are complaining about it. It's hard to be a christian because being empathetic is hard. But the solution seems to be to change the expectation instead of work toward greatness.

More purposefully misrepresentation of Christian conservative thought. Our faith also says that kind of action is unChrist like.

Let all bitterness and wrath and anger and clamor and slander be put away from you, along with all malice.

When you close your ears you will never hear.

camille70 · 2025-12-04T12:36:27-0600

PloverWing said:
The baptistnews.com article helps fill in some of the missing information. It's hard to evaluate the grading of the essay without a) reading the essay itself, b) reading the exact wording of the assignment, and c) reading the article she was responding to. The article fills in some of those pieces, though information is still incomplete here. The main question should be whether the essay met the requirements of the assignment.

The CBN video was informative to listen to. At the end, there's this exchange:

"I assume that, you know, you wouldn't change things if you could. Knowing everything you do now, you would do the same thing, right? I mean, I would assume that's true."
"Yes, absolutely."

This far into it, she probably needs to make that statement when speaking in public. But privately: if she could do it over, would she improve the essay in any way? Construct a more compelling argument, or address the research article more directly, anything?

The essay is linked in the article via another site.

OU student says essay grade was a violation of her rights. Read the essay

In the essay, she wrote traditional gender roles should not be considered stereotypes. What do you think? Read the full essay and professor responses here.

www.oklahoman.com

There is also a google drive link to the instructions.

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drive.google.com

I haven't found a non paywalled article for it but if you search Relations Among Gender Typicality, Peer Relations, and Mental Health During Early Adolescence Jennifer A. Jewell, Christia Spears Brown the ai options will provide a summary.

Edit: Instructor comments are also linked at the Oklahoman.com url.

rjs330 · 2025-12-04T12:32:40-0600

rambot said:
How come the "healthy balance" for Conservative Christians 10 years ago was "we should be helping the poor" and now it's "sometimes we should be helping the poor not usually not"?

Sodom experienced collective consequence for doing stuff like that.

Pure claptrap and evidence of an unwilling mind to listen.

Dave... · 2025-12-04T12:30:17-0600

Unqualified said:
The HS may or may not happen to us with baptism. It is a sign of the cleansing God has done at getting saved. The HS is responsible for our regeneration though. Sanctification is a work of the HS. The infilling happens when we ask to be in filled. The Holy Spirit . The samaritans had not received the HS until Peter and John showed up. The did not know to ask. So they prayed for them to receive Him and it made a marked difference in them. They became full fledged brethren with the guarantee with the promise, with the gifts and fruits of the Holy Spirit. The fruits God produces in us. A changed life, a new focus, growth in the HS.

some kids do learn respect from their dads and not sparing the rod. That’s the way it is supposed to work. It leads to understanding oftentimes. That’s discipline. The ones who learn well young go the farthest in faith and are spared from learning late in life. A wise dad will teach the way so there is not so much disobedience. I ve seen it work. There is the way for those of us w/o wise dads.

Hey Unqualified.

check post #9 in this thread. The quote at the bottom of that post with regards to Peter and John.

The New Testament begins in Acts not Matthew chapter one.

The New Testament Begins in Acts Not Matthew When you read the Gospels in the Bible, such as Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John, do they sometimes seem to contradict other parts of the New Testament Scripture? For example, in Matthew 6:15, Jesus said, “If you refuse to forgive others, your Father...

www.christianforums.com

rjs330 · 2025-12-04T12:29:11-0600

It's quite obvious the left here has zero interest in actually discussing the issues. They just want to attack the right with ad hominem attacks and false representations. They have been told many times where we stand in regard to helping people and its not even close to their ridiculous acusations. But they are committed to twisting the stance back into whatever mythological belief system they have. Its actually nothing more than slander and smear tactics. The lowest of tactics for those who actually have no cogent arguments. Closing ones ears so your belief system can't be challenged is part for the course.

Unqualified · 2025-12-04T12:26:04-0600

YeshuaFan said:
Henry are nice, very accurate for lever action rifle

yeah but I got tired of working it and not enough bang. I mean it I need a certain amount of recoil.

YeshuaFan said:
What is interesting is that with modern bullets and faster twist rate barrels, old war horses like those can keep right up with modern day guns such as the Creedmo

some had accelerated rifling. Are you referring to the 6.5x55 Swedish Mauser?

Dave... · 2025-12-04T12:24:39-0600

ARBITER01 said:
The filling of The Holy Spirit is a subsequent event after the temple is cleansed by the blood.

Hey ARBITOR)!

I like the way you worded that. I always tell people that promises don't cleanse Temples, blood does, with regards to the fact that only NT believers are called Temples of the Holy Spirit. That's one reason why the baptism with the Holy Spirit had to wait for the cross.

pastorwaris · 2025-12-04T12:24:15-0600

samaus123456789 said:
I had a mistake in the maths at one point not doing things in the right order.

In Dan 9 the messiah was going to be cut off (the crucifixion) at the end of 483 years (69 times 7) starting from when a decree went out to rebuild. One of the decrees is in Nehemiah 2 the 20th year of Artaxerxes of Persia which based on archeology was 445 BC. The author of Genesis (150 days, 5 months) Jubilees (150 days, 5 months) , and Revelation (times, time, half a time, 1260 days) are using 360 day a year calendars. So 445 BC minus 483 = -39 AD then minus another 1 year when going from BC to AD or vice versa 40 AD in Gregorian years. To convert to 360 day years then 483 times 5.24 days (the difference between Gregorian years of 365.24 and 360 day years)= 2530/ 360 = 7 year difference. Subtract 7 from 40 AD puts the crucifixion at 33 AD. Please explain if there is a problem with that math.

If the decree was 7th year of Artaxerxes 457 BC in Ezra then 457-483= -26, - another 1= 27 AD - 7 = 20 AD so that makes no sense unless someone has Jesus being born around 10 BC (the NT says something about Jesus 30th year)

Dear Brother, thank you for all three replies your effort, calculations, and desire for accuracy are genuinely appreciated.

You clearly care deeply about chronology and the integrity of the text, and I respect that.
Let me address your points carefully and biblically.

1. About the 360-day year

You have argued strongly that the Bible uses a 360-day year, based on:

Genesis 7–8
Jubilees
Revelation 11–12

These examples do show the prophetic calendar using round 30-day months, especially in apocalyptic literature.

However, the question is:
Does Daniel 9 require a 360-day year?
The answer is no, because Daniel 9 never assigns any days, only:

שָׁבֻעִים – “weeks / units of seven”

The Hebrew term means “sevens” not days, not lunar months, not solar years.
There is zero linguistic requirement for 360-day years in Daniel 9.
Most Jewish interpreters from antiquity (including Josephus, Philo, early rabbis) treated the 70 weeks figuratively or symbolically not as exact-day mathematical calculations.
So:
✔️ 360-day prophetic calendar exists
❌ but Daniel 9 doesn’t mandate it.
This means the conversion math may be interesting, but the text doesn’t require it.

2. About the decree date: 445/444 BC vs. 457 BC

You argued strongly for a Nehemiah 2 (445–444 BC) decree.
That is a valid view many dispensational scholars hold it.
But the Hebrew wording in Daniel 9:25 says:

מִן־מֹצָא דָבָר לְהָשִׁיב וְלִבְנוֹת יְרוּשָׁלִַם

“From the issuing of the decree to restore and rebuild Jerusalem”
The key word is:

לְהָשִׁיב – “to restore” (not just rebuild walls)

Ezra 7 (457 BC) is the only decree that:

restores Jewish law
restores autonomy
restores worship
restores judicial authority
restores the temple economy

Nehemiah’s decree (444 BC) does not restore it only repairs the walls.
So historically and textually:
✔️ 445 BC is possible
✔️ 457 BC is linguistically stronger
This is why most classical and Jewish scholars use 457 BC, not 444 BC.

3. About the math leading to 20 AD or 18 AD crucifixion

Dear Brother, you are honest enough to admit your calculations were changing.
That alone shows your sincerity.

Let me lovingly say this:

If the math produces an impossible crucifixion year, that means the system not the Bible is flawed.

The Bible is consistent.

Jesus’ ministry begins in “the 15th year of Tiberius” (Luke 3:1) → 27/28 AD
Jesus is “about 30” at that time (Luke 3:23)
Passover crucifixion fits 30–33 AD astronomically

Anything earlier (18–25 AD) simply does not match the New Testament.

So any chronological system that pushes the crucifixion earlier than 30 AD is mathematically elegant, but biblically impossible.
This is the problem with forcing 360-day conversions on a text that never requires them.

4. “2 Thessalonians 2 happened in 70 AD”

Paul says the man of lawlessness:

exalts himself as God (2 Thess 2:4)
sits in the temple of God
performs false signs and wonders (2 Thess 2:9)

Josephus records:
❌ No individual claiming to be God
❌ No supernatural signs
❌ No global deception
❌ No covenant with many (Dan 9:27)
❌ No stopping of sacrifices by a false messiah
❌ No “breath of the Lord destroying him” (2 Thess 2:8)

So respectfully,
70 AD simply does not match Paul’s description.
Paul also wrote 2 Thess before 70 AD and said:

“Do not think the Day of the Lord has come.”
(2 Thess 2:2)

So Paul contradicts the idea that 70 AD fulfills the passage.

5. “All of Matthew 24 happened in 70 AD”

Jesus says:

the gospel will be preached to all nations (Matt 24:14) not completed in 70 AD
the sun and moon will be darkened (24:29) did not happen
tribulation such as never was or never will be (24:21) WWII exceeded 70 AD
they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds (24:30) did not occur
angels gathering the elect (24:31) no record of this event

This cannot be compressed into 70 AD.
Jesus clearly divides:

Local signs (70 AD) Luke 21
Global final signs (end times) Matthew 24

6. “Revelation was written in 41 AD”

There is zero historical evidence for a 41 AD date.
All early Church fathers agree:

Irenaeus (AD 180)
Clement of Alexandria
Origen
Victorinus
Eusebius

all testify Revelation was written during the reign of Domitian (81–96 AD).
There is no manuscript
no commentary
no Greek tradition
no early writer
no historian
that places Revelation in 41 AD.
So that part of your system is historically unsupported.

7. “The final 7 years were 63–70 AD”

Daniel 9:27 says the one who makes the covenant:

strengthens a covenant with many
stops sacrifices
sets up an abomination
is destroyed at the consummation

Nothing in 63–70 AD fits that complete sequence.
The Zealots stopping sacrifices was:

not covenant-related
not done by a single ruler
not accompanied by abomination signs
not followed by the ruler’s destruction
not followed by everlasting righteousness (9:24)

Back to the Topic: Does Daniel 9 support a dual 70-week structure?

Yes! because:

1. The Hebrew word נֶחְתַּךְ (“divided out, cut off”)

allows sequential “divisions” of time.

2. The structure of the prophecy is chiastic

A–B–C–D–C’–B’–A’

3. There is a clear gap after the 69th week (Dan 9:26)

4. Jesus places part of Daniel 9 in the future (Matt 24:15)

5. Paul places elements of Daniel 9 in the future (2 Thess 2)

6. John places elements of Daniel 9 in the future (Rev 11–13)

Thus:
✔️ A dual-layer fulfillment fits both the textual grammar and the biblical canon.

Blessings Dear Brother

Dave... · 2025-12-04T12:20:21-0600

Mark Quayle said:
Do you believe that being born again ("regeneration") is the result of the Spirit of God taking up residence within one (which is what I take you to be referring to as "spiritual baptism"), or is it the cause of the Spirit of God taking up residence.

In other words, do WE generate valid faith, or does God (the Spirit of God) generate it within us, fully valid? (The amount of faith is another question, not related to its validity).

Hey Mark

I believe that being born again is the result of the indwelling. If the initial faith is Spirit powered, it's not from being born again. The "life" given by the Author/Prince/......(Acts 3:15), same word for "Author" in Hebrews 11:2 "Author and finisher of our faith" is the result of the indwelling (Galatians 3:2-3, Ephesians 1:13-14.) In other words, the Spirit empowered life begins when we are indwelt with the Holy Spirit. In the OT, they believed, but did not have the Spirit in them (John 7:38-39). If you have the Spirit of Christ in you, you already belong to Him. If you don't have the Spirit of Christ in you, you don't (Romans 8:9).

Today, the baptism with the Holy Spirit is simply means receiving the indwelling of the Holy Spirit as a result of our initial faith. When we come to Jesus in faith, He places Himself in us by way of the Holy Spirit. It's a spiritual immersion/placing into that that makes us one with Him, placing us "in Him". Thus, the baptism [placing into] with the Holy Spirit is placing us "in Christ" (1 Corinthians 12:13). Placing us in the Body, the one true Church, A spiritual Body. At that point the Spirit powered 'life' begins of which Jesus is the Author of.

The initial faith could come from many places, including the flesh which can desire something good (Romans 7:18). The flesh cannot do good by righteous standards. Only the Fruit of the Spirit is righteous. The initial faith could be from the Holy Spirit being upon a person, like in the OT, but that was only to perform certain tasks, not to believe. It could be the presence of God, like in the OT, the Tabernacle, the Arc of the Covenant, the Temple, and Jesus Himself (OT John 12:35-36). Remember, we all have that presence of God with us when we evangelize as each believer now is a Temple of the Holy Spirit. I believe this is the reason why evangelizing the world had to wait for Pentecost when the indwelling was given (John 12:32).

Dave

YeshuaFan · 2025-12-04T12:18:56-0600

Unqualified said:
Henry 22 lever action. Zinc receiver, coated.

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Danthemailman · 2025-12-04T12:14:46-0600

Postvieww said:
Lauren Boebert: Ilhan Omar 'should be sitting in prison or at least sent back to Somalia' * WorldNetDaily * by Joe Kovacs Fraud uncovered. Should she be deported? Probably!

Speaking of Ilhan Omar.

Ilhan Omar pressed to explain how fraud in Minnesota got 'so out of control'

Ilhan Omar pressed to explain how fraud in Minnesota got 'so out of control'

Rep. Ilhan Omar, D-Minn., appeared on CNN's "The Lead with Jake Tapper" on Wednesday, where she struggled to answer a question about how fraud got to be "so out of control" in Minnesota.

www.foxnews.com

Oompa Loompa · 2025-12-04T12:10:08-0600

Oompa Loompa said:
None whatsoever. What part of Samali heritage is of value to the United States?

@rambot due to your silence, your obvious answer is "nothing." There is absolutely nothing about Samali heritage that is of value to the United States. Furthermore, why is Samali heritage important to you, much less the American citizen in general? Because in my opinion, their heritage produced an African hell scape. They claim to be fleeing said hell scape, but everywhere they muster, they trying bringing that hell scape with them. Perhaps the problem IS their heritage and culture, not the country they claim to be fleeing from.

essentialsaltes · 2025-12-04T12:06:20-0600

Oompa Loompa said:
Trump did not incite anything. In fact, BBC is being sued for trying to manipulate footage to suggest he had.

This lawsuit predates the BBC show by several years, so it's not like this is a brand-new idea.

Hopefully, the courts will be allowed to sort it out.

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Dear Brother, thank you for all three replies your effort, calculations, and desire for accuracy are genuinely appreciated.​

1. About the 360-day year​

שָׁבֻעִים – “weeks / units of seven”​

2. About the decree date: 445/444 BC vs. 457 BC​

מִן־מֹצָא דָבָר לְהָשִׁיב וְלִבְנוֹת יְרוּשָׁלִַם​

לְהָשִׁיב – “to restore” (not just rebuild walls)​

3. About the math leading to 20 AD or 18 AD crucifixion​

If the math produces an impossible crucifixion year, that means the system not the Bible is flawed.​

4. “2 Thessalonians 2 happened in 70 AD”​

5. “All of Matthew 24 happened in 70 AD”​

6. “Revelation was written in 41 AD”​

7. “The final 7 years were 63–70 AD”​

Back to the Topic: Does Daniel 9 support a dual 70-week structure?​

1. The Hebrew word נֶחְתַּךְ (“divided out, cut off”)​

2. The structure of the prophecy is chiastic​

3. There is a clear gap after the 69th week (Dan 9:26)​

4. Jesus places part of Daniel 9 in the future (Matt 24:15)​

5. Paul places elements of Daniel 9 in the future (2 Thess 2)​

6. John places elements of Daniel 9 in the future (Rev 11–13)​

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Dear Brother, thank you for all three replies your effort, calculations, and desire for accuracy are genuinely appreciated.

1. About the 360-day year

שָׁבֻעִים – “weeks / units of seven”

2. About the decree date: 445/444 BC vs. 457 BC

מִן־מֹצָא דָבָר לְהָשִׁיב וְלִבְנוֹת יְרוּשָׁלִַם

לְהָשִׁיב – “to restore” (not just rebuild walls)

3. About the math leading to 20 AD or 18 AD crucifixion

If the math produces an impossible crucifixion year, that means the system not the Bible is flawed.

4. “2 Thessalonians 2 happened in 70 AD”

5. “All of Matthew 24 happened in 70 AD”

6. “Revelation was written in 41 AD”

7. “The final 7 years were 63–70 AD”

Back to the Topic: Does Daniel 9 support a dual 70-week structure?

1. The Hebrew word נֶחְתַּךְ (“divided out, cut off”)

2. The structure of the prophecy is chiastic

3. There is a clear gap after the 69th week (Dan 9:26)

4. Jesus places part of Daniel 9 in the future (Matt 24:15)

5. Paul places elements of Daniel 9 in the future (2 Thess 2)

6. John places elements of Daniel 9 in the future (Rev 11–13)