Rescued One said:

Be compassionate to those who have PTSD and terminal illnesses insread of judgmental. Jesus wept.

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A mind-blowing passage from the Scriptures reminds us that if we care for these, it’s like we’re caring for Jesus (“you did it unto me”)!

ARBITER01 said:

Sorry, you're gonna have to do better than that. This isn't about me.

As I said, if you're obeying Moses instead of Jesus, then Jesus is not Lord in your heart,.... no matter how much you try to spin it otherwise.

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The deceiver would have us believe that Moses created LAWs. That Jesus lied to us. And that we can not trust the Holy Scriptures "for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works."

Jesus said to Take Heed we are not deceived by these "Many" who come in His Name. My sincere hope is that men turn away from the religions of this world who promote such foolishness, like Moses created the 10 Commandments, or the LAW "Thou shalt not avenge, nor bear any grudge against the children of thy people, but thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself: I am the LORD."

My hope is that they might be persuaded to believe the Word's Of God that HE gave to Jesus and His Prophets. But alas, the Jesus "of the Bible" said many will just not be persuaded.

Luke 16: And he said unto him, If they "hear not" Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.

For me, I believe in the Words Jesus "of the Bible". And I truly wish everyone did.

stevevw said:

Lol I think you said something similar before about it all being about sex. I am pretty sure the womens movement was much more than sex. In fact it was gender and not sex. The civil rights revolution was about race. The culture wars are now about identities of all sorts. Its much more than sex.

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You're right. It was about the autonomy of women in general. But the "culture" was always about identities. The question is who is going to impose them.

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The breakdown of the family is not just about sex. Though sex is a big part and thats just a natural and core aspect of being human. If sex is part of marriage and relationships and thats part of the family.

But if progressive ideas around sex which relate to marriage and the family contribute to the break down of society and poor outcomes for every one. Then yes the progressive beliefs and ideas around sex have destroyed society.

The point is while you macke a mockery and conflation that its all about men missing out on sex. Which only makes my point that sex itself is what has been perverted and reimagined within the Godless ideologies where men and women are the gods of sex. This is the very problem that is destroying society.

The lies that women or men are the gods of their own bodies and over when and where and who they can have sex. This leads to many, many further pproblems and we are seeing the end results of a few decades now of progressive counter culture. And its not a pretty picture. The ideas of freedom and happiness and liberation have turned out to be lonliness, depression, anxiety and dispair.

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Yes, and on the other hand it is Christinas who insist that men are God's not only of their own bodies but of women's bodies, too.

Guojing said:

When you say Acts 21 is no longer possible, are you answering yes to my clarifying question? I just want to understand where you are coming from.

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Historical context: occurs after Jesus resurrection with primarily cultural Jews around the 40’s ad. James, the brother of Christ, is the head of the Jerusalem church which is composed of primarily cultural Jews that have embraced Jesus as their messiah but still retain the law because the temple is the center of their culture and activities. They are not willing to give that up. Paul comes to visit with some gentiles to bring tithes to the church. The Jews believe that Paul is teaching other Jews to forsake the law and that he invited a gentile into the temple which would have defiled the temple. The Jews try to kill Paul and the centurion saves him when Paul reveals his Roman citizenship.

Physical context: Paul, along with eight gentiles arrive in Jerusalem. They are welcomed initially and go to James house were the elders were also present. The next day Paul purifies himself at one of the purification pools and goes to the temple were there was a large crowd and they seize Paul. They take him out of the temple and shut the doors so that the temple would not be defiled. They beat Paul outside of the temple among the large crowd until the Roman soldiers arrive so this is still outside of the temple. The soldiers took him toward the barracks with the crowd following where Paul addresses the crowd outside of the barracks.


Cultural context: there is a lot to cover here but I’m going to just summarize. Jerusalem is the center of life for the Jews including the temple were they would congregate along with other Jews from other cities that would travel to Jerusalem to worship or attend special days or festivals. This was the center of cultural Israel. The Jews were cultural people whose life revolved around the Torah and the Law. The law had been given to Moses to give to Israel because they were God’s chosen people so it made them unique among the rest of the people inhabiting the Lavant. The Jews considered preaching against the law to be a capital offense so James had to thread lightly when teaching the Jewish converts about salvation by faith without the works of the law.

On the other hand, the churches that Paul planted were primarily gentile that also included Jews. Paul could teach salvation by faith without the treat of death but with opposing groups of Jewish converts promoting the law. Apparently the problem was particularly problematic in the Galatian church. The rest of the Apostles that left Jerusalem were also able to teach salvation by faith. BTW- based on accounts by early church fathers James was eventually martyred (stoned) for his Christian believes.

Situational context: the events of Acts 21:27-40 happened because of the clash of Christian doctrine of salvation by faith apart from the works of the law and the converted Jews that refused to give up what their ancestors had believed for 15 centuries.

A proper exegesis of all the elements of context would not be possible in this platform since it would take many pages to unpack it but this will do as a summary. As you can see the cultural Jews in Jerusalem still attended all events in the Temple and the Temple still ruled their lives. The law, among the Jews, continued for his reason. James had to be careful of what and how he preached the gospel of good news. A few years later, and prophesied by Jesus in Matt. 24, the temple will be destroyed and the Jews would be expelled from Jerusalem ending the temple life and dispersing the Jews.

The events of Acts 21 cannot happen again because all if its context can not be repeated. The cultural Jew in Jerusalem and the temple are no longer there. The law among the gentiles was never a problem because the apostles ruled in the council of Jerusalem that they are not under the law. The problem of continuing under the law was a problem unique to the converted Jews which Paul argues against in his epistles to the churches.

I hope this helps and clears my position. You do with this as you will. I have stated my case.

Strong in Him said:

I didn't know anyone had said the sea is curved at 8'' per mile - I haven't said that.

But there must be a good reason for saying it.

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No there wasn't as there's no such thing as curvature on earth.

stevevw said:

Why. If each side is so polarised now and sees the other sides policies as a threat to democracy and even peoples existence. Then why would not each side see the other as ideas and beliefs as bad and wrong and damaging for society.

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Only one side sees things that way. The other side just doesn't want to be told what to do by a religious faction of dubious moral credibility.

stevevw said:

To the Christians progressive policies are sin and seen as destroying the fabric of society. To the progressives Christian based policies are seen as hateful and bigotry and a threat to identity politics and ideology. Why pretend this is not the case.

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Because what is really at risk is not society but merely anglo-Protestant culture.

stevevw said:

I think you allude to the real issue when you say as a society we should be willing to allow contradictory and potentially harmful ideas because we are suppose to allow all beliefs no matter what. JUst because Christians think X behaviour is sin doesn't make it sin. Because we cannot allow one single moral truth.

If the different groups are fighting over what is best and truth for society. Then what if one side is right. What if the sin that Christians percieve is actually wrong and is destructive for society. Or if the religious belief is crazy and bad for society.

It seems a silly way to determine what is allowed and how we should order society based on subjective beliefs that could be potentially destructive because we are suppose to allow all beliefs and ideas no matter what. Based on an ideological belief in itself that there is no sin or moral truth or God and moral lawgiver.

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That why we don't do it that way and why the laws of a secular state are not considered, in themselves, to be moral precepts.

stevevw said:

But hey thats the way the world is and Christians must accept and adjust for this. But I think in the end it will be the world who will not accept the Christians and Jews because its a spiritual battle between good and evil.

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You need to think that over. ".Sir, my concern is not whether God is on our side; my greatest concern is to be on God's side, for God is always right." --Abraham Lincoln.

stevevw said:

When was that. I don't think it was very significant. Because primarily Dems/Labor is anti big business and corps. They are traditionalls higher taxers of the rich to support the large social programs they support. If it happened it was either on the fringe or not significant.

Otherwise who were the pro big business. A party cannot be both taxing big bisuness and pro big business at the same time. Where does the monet come from. What about the unions. They cannot be both on the big corps and the workers union at the same time.

Of course with Christ they can get through anything. But it won't be nice and it will be a worry for the rest.

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I see you have completely embraced the heresy of Manichaeism.

Desk trauma said:

Not enough red string.

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Did you watch it?

DamianWarS said:

Christ does quote from 10 but in a diminutive way, "You have heard that it was said to those of old" then goes on telling us a better way. So he tells us an older way, then shows us a better way, that better way is uniquely from Christ saying "But I say..." this creates a contrast between the ways of the old (the law) with the ways of Christ, showing Christ's way is better. Better than what? Better than the law.

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I know you are just furthering what this world's religions have taught you, and you genuinely believe what you just posted. And it is doubtful, as Jesus declares, that you will be persuaded of anything different.

Nevertheless, because of Love for the brethren, I would like to share with you and those reading along, the error in this popular religious philosophy of this world.

#1. To believe you, I would have to believe that the "Them of Old Time" He is speaking to in Matt. 5, is God, and the Prophet HE Sent, and that Jesus came to destroy their teaching, so that men would be discouraged to no longer "Live By" the Word's Jesus said to Live By. But when you actually read what Jesus is saying, He isn't correcting His Father and the Prophets, HE is exposing the teaching of the Pharisees. Jesus just said:

For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven. Remember, these preachers, as did their fathers, "omitted the weightier matters of the Law". They transgressed God's Commandments by their own religious traditions. Please look at the first "LAW" you are claiming God didn't teach, but Jesus did.

21 Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not kill; and whosoever shall kill shall be in danger of the judgment:

22 But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.

So what does the Law of God say?

Lev. 19: 17 Thou shalt not hate thy brother in thine heart: thou shalt in any wise rebuke thy neighbour, and not suffer sin upon him.

So Jesus is just repeating what the Law and Prophets, and HE Himself has taught about the "Jews Religion" from the beginning.

Like it was pointed out to you earlier, the devils mission is to turn men away from obedience to God. And to do that, it "Professes to know God", like the serpent in the garden, and it quotes "Some" of God's Word, like the serpent in the garden. And Jesus Himself called these Pharisees and scribes, "children of the devil". Malachi said of their fathers: "Therefore have I also made you contemptible and base before all the people, according as ye have not kept my ways, but have been "partial in the law".

In every verse where Jesus is exposing the "Them of old time", He shows what the Words of God the corrupt priests quoted, and followed up with the Words of God they omitted. I'll give you a couple more examples, in the in sincere hope you might consider.

31 It hath been said, Whosoever shall put away his wife, let him give her a writing of divorcement: 32 But I say unto you, That whosoever shall put away his wife, saving for the cause of fornication, causeth her to commit adultery: and whosoever shall marry her that is divorced committeth adultery.

Duet. 24: 1 When a man hath taken a wife, and married her, and it come to pass that she find no favour in his eyes, because he hath found "some uncleanness in her": then let him write her a bill of divorcement, and give it in her hand, and send her out of his house.

Jer. 3: 8 And I saw, when for all the causes whereby backsliding Israel committed adultery I had put her away, and given her a bill of divorce; yet her treacherous sister Judah feared not, but went and played the harlot also.

Matt. 19: 7 They say unto him, Why did Moses then command to give a writing of divorcement, and to put her away? 8 He saith unto them, Moses because of the hardness of your hearts suffered you to put away your wives: but from the beginning it was not so. 9 And I say unto you, Whosoever shall put away his wife, "except it be for fornication", and shall marry another, committeth adultery: and whoso marrieth her which is put away doth commit adultery.

Again, the "them of old time" promoted divorce for any reason. But the LAW only gave ONE reason for divorce. This is clear as a bell, for those who are interested in what is actually written. Lets examine another.

33 Again, ye have heard that it hath been said by them of old time, Thou shalt not forswear thyself, but shalt perform unto the Lord thine oaths:

34 But I say unto you, "Swear not at all"; neither by heaven; for it is God's throne: 35 Nor by the earth; for it is his footstool: neither by Jerusalem; for it is the city of the great King. 36 Neither shalt thou swear by thy head, because thou canst not make one hair white or black. 37 But let your communication be, Yea, yea; Nay, nay: for whatsoever is more than these cometh of evil.

What does the LAW say?

Deut. 5: 21 When thou shalt vow a vow unto the LORD thy God, thou shalt not slack to pay it: for the LORD thy God will surely require it of thee; and it would be sin in thee. 22 But if thou shalt "forbear to vow", it shall be no sin in thee.

In every case Jesus is pointing out the "LAW" that the "them of Old Time" omitted.

38 Ye have heard that it hath been said, An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth: 39 But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also.

Lev. 19: 18 Thou shalt "not avenge", nor "bear any grudge" against the children of thy people, but thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself: I am the LORD.

The teaching that Jesus, who had just said "except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.", but then went on to diminish His Father and the Prophets His Father sent, is really wicked and not true. You mean well, I don't think you are promoting such a falsehood on purpose. And we have all been deceived in our lives.

But I hope you will consider that the "Them of Old Time", in Matt. 5, right after Jesus said HE didn't come to destroy the Law and Prophets, is NOT His Father and the Prophets, but the Fathers of the Pharisees, who were, as it is written and told us by Jesus Himself, "omitted the weightier matters of the Law".

Remember, The Christ Jesus "IS" the LAW of God who came in the Flesh.

David Lamb said:

On a flat earth, there should be no such thing as a horizon.

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And why is this ?

Personally, I wish our street preacher would pick a different verse to put on his sign. Many of the festival attendees grew up in churches, and they've already heard the message that God doesn't want them. The preacher is reinforcing that message.

But the first amendment to the US Constitution firmly protects our sign-carrying preacher, both as freedom of speech and freedom of religion.

Servus said:

You're just determined to make something out of nothing.

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Not reading what you are critiquing?

I don't wonder which posters would come out in favor of that strategy.

Post #17 not valid but a result of my clumsy fingers. and tired eyes.

Servus said:

The destitute and needy are in great abundance in the form of American citizens. But who cares about them? Foreign aid takes priority.

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You all back clap DOGE for removing help from American poor as well.

Get outta town with thr excuses as if they actually mean something.

LoveGodsWord said:

Hello all this is a thread for sharing scriptures on MARK OF THE BEAST.

WHAT IS THE MARK OF THE BEAST CLICK ME?

There is a simple study from God's WORD * DANIEL AND REVELATION and history here beastsmark.com for those who may be interested in the scriptures and some more detail.

God's WORD teaches that GOD'S PEOPLE ARE IN EVERY CHURCH! Theye are all those who BELIEVE and FOLLOW God's WORD as much as God has revealed to them. *JOHN 10:16; ACT 17:30-31.

I would like to discuss the following scriptures here in this OP.

REVELATION 14:6-12
[6], And I saw another angel fly in midheaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and tribe, and tongue, and people,
[7], Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment has come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters.
[8], And there followed another angel, saying, Babylon is fallen, is fallen, that great city, because she made all nations drink of the wine of the wrath of her fornication.
[9], And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worships the beast and his image, and receives his mark in his forehead, or in his hand,
[10], The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out undiluted into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:
[11], And the smoke of their torment ascends up forever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receives the mark of his name.
[12], Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

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QUESTIONS FOR DISCUSSION (linked to scripture studies in this thread)

Q1. WHAT IS THE EVERLASTING GOSPEL? v6 linked
Q2. WHAT DOES IT MEAN TO FEAR GOD? v7 linked
Q3. HOW DO WE GIVE GLORY TO GOD? v7 linked
Q4. WHAT IS THE JUDGMENT ABOUT? v7 linked
Q5. WHO DOES BABYLON THE HARLOT WOMAN REPRESENT? v8; 17:1-5; 18:1-9
Q6. THE MARK OF THE BEAST IS OVER WHORSHIP v8-12
Q7. WHO IS GOD’S TRUE CHURCH IN GOD’S WORD? v12
Q8. WHAT DOES A BEAST OF KINGDOM REPRESENT IN DANIAL AND REVELATIONS?
Q9 WHAT ARE THE SYMBOLS AND MEANING OF MARK, SIGN AND SEAL?
Q10. WHAT IS THE MARK OF THE BEAST AND WHEN DO PEOPLE RECEIVE IT?
Q11. THE SEAL OF GOD HOW DO WE GET IT?
Q12. DID YOU KNOW THAT THE CIVIL SUNDAY LAWS HAVE ALREADY PASSED?
Q13. WHO IS THE ANTICHRIST, THE MAN OF SIN, THE BEAST AND 666?
Q14. WHO DID THE EARLY REFORMERS BELIEVE THE ANTICHRIST WAS? 1/2
Q15. WHO DID THE EARLY REFORMERS BELIEVE THE ANTICHRIST WAS? 2/2

QUESTIONS TO THINK ABOUT

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FRIENDLY CHRISTIAN DISCUSSION AND SCRIPTURE ONLY PLEASE.

God bless you as you seek him through his Word.

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I'm a little late to this discussion. Sorry about that. Happy Advent though!

A1. The everlasting gospel is mentioned in Revelation 1:5-6 (NASB1995). "And from Jesus Christ, the faithful witness, the firstborn of the dead, and the ruler of the kings of the earth. To Him who loves us and released us from our sins by His blood--and He has made us to be a kingdom, priests to His God and Father--to Him be the glory and the dominion forever and ever. Amen."

A2. To Fear God means to respect His name and power, not confusing His compassion for weakness.

A3. We give glory to God by doing what the woman's offspring does in Revelation 12:17, "Who keep the commandments of God and hold to the testimony of Jesus.

A4. The judgment is about exposing and purging sin from the holy presence of God. God's desire is to dwell among His people.

A5. Babylon is best understood using the Parable of the Wheat and Tares. She is the unrepentant in the Church that seek to love both God and the world. Within her gates are the "dogs and the sorcerers and the immoral persons and the murderers and the idolaters, and everyone who loves and practices lying." (Revelation 22:15) She is the result of not heeding the messages to the seven churches. Instead of keeping the commandments of God, she runs after the things of this world (Ephesus). Instead of being faithful to the point of death (Smyrna), she cowers in fear because she loves this life more than God. Instead of keeping pure doctrine, she mingles with nationalist teachings so she can keep her worldly influence (Pergamum). Instead of trusting in God as her King, she runs after her other lovers, the kings of the earth that submit to Satan. You get the idea.

A6-A7. See A5.

A8. The kingdom of the beast in Daniel 7 and Revelation 13 are the kingdoms of the world. 1+2+3+4=10. Therefore the ten horns represent global authority. These are the ones Babylon runs after.

A9. See A3. A mark on the forehead represents a testimony while a mark on the right hand represents deeds.

A10. The mark of the beast is the antithesis of keeping God's commandments and bearing testimony of Jesus. Believers who don't heed the seven messages will take the mark of the beast after the worldly messiah, the false messiah that seeks power over the kingdoms of this world (the four beasts/ten horns), presents himself as the world's savior, using miraculous signs to deceive people who love lawlessness (2 Thessalonians 2, Revelation 13).

A11. We get the seal of God by heeding the messages to the seven stars and loving Jesus more than anything this world can offer.

A12. Jesus is Lord of all the days of the week. He is our the rest, the second Adam, the new creation. If we make anything about us, we stop following Jesus. He went to the cross. No servant is above his master, so we go to the cross as well. If we aren't willing to follow Jesus to the cross, what good does it do to debate whether one day is holier than another? We stand convicted as hypocrites.

A13. The beast, the antichrist and son of perdition, is the ruler of the kingdoms of this world. 666 is the gematria calculation of the false messiah (656) that rules over the kingdoms of this world (10). The transliteration of the Hebrew word for mashiach (messiah) into Greek language is messias. M(40)+E(5)+S(200)+S(200)+I(10)+A(1)+S(200)=656. The kingdoms of this world, as explained in A8 are the four beasts added together: 1+2+3+4=10. Jesus said, “My kingdom is not of this world. If My kingdom were of this world, then My servants would be fighting so that I would not be handed over to the Jews; but as it is, My kingdom is not of this realm.” (John 18:36) The false messiah is the one that fails to the temptations Jesus endured in the wilderness. He gives everything up for worldly power. That is how Satan gives the beast is authority and dominion. At the time the Apocalypse was received by John, the beast was Caesar.

A14-A15. The Papacy. Homey don't play that. Babylon is everywhere. She is sitting next to Zion in the pews at every church this Advent morning. The only way to tell the difference is by her fruit. She lives for this world and not the kingdom to come. The wheat and tares will both be harvested at the end of the age.

Maria Billingsley said:

Ok, if you can name at least one prophet today who has prophesied with no error then I will consider your view.

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Open a thread on the Prophet and I'll jump in. This one is about apostles

Maria Billingsley said:

Same for an apostle, anyone who has been given a specific mandate directly from Jesus Christ of Nazareth Himself.
Thanks for sharing!

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You bet I have met several of them personally.

One who is mandated by Jesus of Nazareth Himself to be a voice in a country where Christianity is outlawed - Gospel meetings in the open are closed down and ministers imprisoned - jut like what Paul faced. Similar to Paul - he has seen thousands come to Christ - the simplicity of the Gospel is preached with miracles following. He has helped plant 32,000 churches in the region.

I know another who was called by Jesus of Nazareth to start a church in Nazi Germany in the middle of WW2. In the middle of the greatest prosecution and closing of churches - this Apostles was never attacked - the church grew to 180 and remained open throughout the war and thrived. In 1981 they died in the pulpit and the person who took their place grew the church to over 6,000 with 40 satellite churches in 13 nations.

Your Welcome

Desk trauma said:

How are you arriving at trump being Jewish?

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I just showed you.

Servus said:

Not conquer... liberate

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So that's it? Conservatives are going to justify Trump's invasion of Venezuela by painting it as a holy war?

rjs330 said:

I think it can be both. I still don't see how it shows the difference between gender and sex.

Sure, but the words mean the same thing. Gender and fashion is the same thing as sex and fashion. Thats why gender means sex and sex means gender.

See above.

Thats because sex and gender are the same thing. After all the observations you determine quickly that the person is a male or female. When you determine they are a male you have determine ed their sex AND gender at the same time.

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Right. You wouldn't want to impose your gendered behavioral standards incorrectly.

NxNW said:

Of course, invading Venezuela is about oil, not drugs. Drugs are just a pretext.

Republican says US "about to go in" to Venezuela, with oil a key reason

Representative Maria Salazar, a Florida Republican, says that regime change in Venezuela would result in a "field day" for US oil companies.

www.newsweek.com

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One way or another, Donnie intends to get those mythical sub-two-dollar gas prices he's already bragged about.

stevevw said:

As I said earlier I don;t think the ancients knowledge was like academic scholarship knowledge. Or Enlightened knowledge. It was more direct experiential. They lived closer and in harmony with nature and reality. So they actually experienced what they discovered and then utilised.

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All knowledge is acquired in that way. Science acquires knowledge through observation and experiment with nature. Craftsmen acquire their skills by trial and error, working directly with the natural materials. They all actually experience what they discover and utilize.

Brightfame52 said:

For all those Christ died His death exclusively for them acquired:

Deliverance from the wrath to come 1 Thess 1:10

10 And to wait for his Son from heaven, whom he raised from the dead, even Jesus, which delivered us from the wrath to come.

For He was raised for our Justification Rom 4:25

25 Who was delivered for our offences, and was raised again for our justification.

So again, those for whom offences He was delivered for, they the same consequently were delivered from the wrath to come!

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Most of what you have quoted is true of believers, but not true concerning all Jesus atoned for, since he atoned for everyone, not just believers.

MrMoe said:

Any behaviour we don’t like is secretly racism.

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Obviously that's not true - it is often sexism.

MrMoe said:

The left never shuts up about racism. We don’t need to “stimulate conversation”.

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If you say so then it must be so.

rjs330 said:

No we don't. If you are illegal and a good guy you are still subject to the same deportation law as an illegal tgat is a bad guy.

Why shouldn't you be?

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Those who commit crimes get expedited deportation. If you're not familiar with the DACA then you're just speaking from ignorance.

Apple Sky said:

No, but it has every to to do with the horizon (horizontal) which has to with refraction's which has been debunked.

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On a flat earth, there should be no such thing as a horizon.

Welcome to the forums!