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Bradskii · 2025-11-09T22:31:54-0600

Postvieww said:
Yes — there are lawsuits in California...

Whoever gave you the information in the one you posted was lying. You now know this. Are you going to correct that post knowing that it's a lie?

rjs330 · 2025-11-09T22:29:45-0600

BCP1928 said:
That's a really good idea, but first you will have to convince the marginally employed that it's true.So far you seem to have convinced only yourself.

True. I think I could, but then I'm not running for office. And I think there are far too many people in America who would rather live off their neighbors than actually work. Even if salary was more than welfare benefits.

Bradskii · 2025-11-09T22:29:26-0600

BPPLEE said:
No, it's 70x. He started with about $100 million. He didn't have 2025 dollars in 1982
The way you're comparing it you would have to figure what $7 billion would be worth in 2095 dollars

You're not right. You gave your figures in today's terms: 'That's an equivalent of $400 million in TODAY'S dollars.' Your emphasis. So you compare it to what he has today. Even if it was $100m when he started then he's increased by 70x. I still beat him. And I haven't had any companies go bust and I paid all my taxes and haven't been charged and convicted for cheating on my income.

rjs330 · 2025-11-09T22:28:01-0600

Yarddog said:
And many right wingers are radical authoritarian racists.

No there aren't.

BCP1928 · 2025-11-09T22:24:19-0600

stevevw said:
I am not just talking about the building of the Ark. But the purpose and its use and everything like that. So what about Noahs knowledge from God about the flood and all that. Was that not knowledge that material sciences could not give him.

It wouldn't give him the craft skills necessary to build an ark.

DialecticSkeptic · 2025-11-09T22:22:51-0600

"The ability to describe a point of view is no indication on its own that it is actually what the biblical authors intended to communicate. The latter is what must concern us." I am keeping that quote forever.

A2SG · 2025-11-09T22:20:23-0600

Servus said:
The Democrats are willing to keep the shutdown going regardless of SNAP being paid out or not.

Because the shutdown needn't affect SNAP benefits. It only does because the Republicans want it that way.

Servus said:
As of November 8, 2025, the Trump administration is actively seeking to withhold a portion of the funding needed to fully pay for the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program (SNAP) benefits for November amid a government shutdown. The administration argues it lacks the legal authority and sufficient funds to provide the full amount. - Google

Only the Democrats signing the CR will result in an immediate resolution to SNAP and 1.5 civil servants finally getting paid.

Trump can say that he "lacks the legal authority" to provide funds, but he's lying.

-- A2SG, shocker, I know....

A New Dawn · 2025-11-09T22:17:46-0600

Ain't Zwinglian said:
Non responsive.

You obviously have no interest in a real discussion if you can’t provide references for your own bullet points.

A New Dawn · 2025-11-09T22:14:26-0600

But Fifty Shades of Gray probably got a pass.

RisenInJesus · 2025-11-09T22:13:39-0600

Ivan Hlavanda said:
The Church is not Israel, neither it has replaced Israel. I don't know how Christians can read Romans 11 and came to the conclusion that the Church has replaced Israel

Romans 11 13 Now I am speaking to you Gentiles. Inasmuch then as I am an apostle to the Gentiles, I magnify my ministry 14 in order somehow to make my fellow Jews jealous, and thus save some of them. 15 For if their rejection means the reconciliation of the world, what will their acceptance mean but life from the dead?

25 Lest you be wise in your own sight, I do not want you to be unaware of this mystery, brothers:[d] a partial hardening has come upon Israel, until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in. 26 And in this way all Israel will be saved, as it is written,

“The Deliverer will come from Zion,
he will banish ungodliness from Jacob”;
27 “and this will be my covenant with them
when I take away their sins.”

28 As regards the gospel, they are enemies for your sake. But as regards election, they are beloved for the sake of their forefathers

Isaiah 66 8 Who has heard such a thing? Who has seen such things? Shall a land be born in one day? Shall a nation be brought forth in one moment? For as soon as Zion was in labor she brought forth her children.

God asked, can a nation be created in 1 day? Then He answered yes by establishing Israel in 1948.

This was prophesied by Ezekiel also. Ezekiel 36:19 I scattered them among the nations, and they were dispersed through the countries. In accordance with their ways and their deeds I judged them. - this happened in 70AD. Israel was scattered across the world, with no land, no army, no government. But let's take a look what God says in verse 24 'I will take you from the nations and gather you from all the countries and bring you into your own land.' And this indeed happened in may 1948.
We can then surely say that the modern Israel is the same Israel in OT.

The people of Israel are cut apart because God chose them to be His Holy, Exodus 19:6 and you shall be to me a kingdom of priests and a holy nation.’ These are the words that you shall speak to the people of Israel.”

They are special for the sole reason that God has declared them to be special. They are the physical fulfilment of the extraordinary promese God made thousands of years ago to Abraham and his wife Sara.

It is for this reason Paul says in Romans 11: I ask, then, has God rejected his people? By no means! For I myself am an Israelite, a descendant of Abraham, a member of the tribe of Benjamin. 2 God has not rejected his people whom he foreknew.

Exactly. God has made irrevocable promises to Israel, which make no sense when people try applying them to the church or ignore altogether. I think it’s very important for Christians to rightly divide the scriptures and understand that there are three groups of people; Jews (Israel), Gentiles (non-Jews), and the church (born again believers-Jews and Gentiles).

“After the Cross a new entity came into existence—the church that Jesus Christ promised He would build (Mt 16:18). As a result, there are now three divisions of mankind: Jews, Gentiles and the church. Paul tells us that we are to “Give none offence, neither to the Jews, nor to the Gentiles, nor to the church of God” (1 Cor 10:32). It is absolutely essential to understand that these three groups exist side by side in today’s world, to distinguish between them, and to recognize that God deals with each differently.”

Jews, Gentiles, And The Church

prophecyupdate.blogspot.com

Christsfreeservant · 2025-11-09T22:07:50-0600

“How the faithful city has become a harlot,

She who was full of justice!

Righteousness once lodged in her,

But now murderers.

Your silver has become dross,

Your drink diluted with water.

Your rulers are rebels

And companions of thieves;

Everyone loves a bribe

And chases after rewards.

They do not defend the orphan,

Nor does the widow’s plea come before them.

“Therefore the Lord God of hosts,

The Mighty One of Israel, declares,

‘Ah, I will be relieved of My adversaries

And avenge Myself on My foes.

I will also turn My hand against you,

And will smelt away your dross as with lye

And will remove all your alloy.’” (Isaiah 1:21-25 NASB1995)

Let’s compare that with Revelation, chapters 2-3. There the Lord sent letters to the seven churches, which were not just for them, but they are for the church gatherings in today’s world, too. In four out of the seven he had good and bad to say about them. In only one did he have nothing good to say, and that was the Church in Laodicea, which many believe represents the church of the last days. And only in two out of the seven did he have nothing against them. So the majority of the church then, and I believe yet today, needed correction. They needed to repent, or judgment would be coming.

So, what was the wrong that was being done in these churches (gatherings of the body of believers in Jesus Christ)? Some had forsaken the love they had at first for Christ, or they had deserted Christ who was their first love. It appears that they had fallen back into some of their sinful ways and so they were being called upon to repent and to do the deeds they did at first. And some were holding to and were tolerating the teachings of false prophets who were encouraging idolatry and immoral behaviors. And others were spiritually void and asleep. And they needed to repent or face judgment.

And I do believe that the church in the USA (the majority) is under the judgment of God already, for they have partnered with the ungodly, and they have turned their gatherings into places of business to be marketed to the world, and thus they have altered the character of Christ’s church (his body) to attract the world, and they have altered the message of the gospel to make it less offensive and more agreeable to the flesh and to the world. And all of this God forbids. And he teaches us that we are to come out from among such gatherings as these so we don’t share in their punishment.

[Matthew 21:12-13; John 2:13-17; Acts 5:27-32; 1 Corinthians 1:10-13; 1 Corinthians 3:1-9; 2 Corinthians 6:14-18; Philippians 3:18-19; Revelation 2:1-29; Revelation 3:1-22; Revelation 13:5-8; Revelation 18:1-5]

So, just know that the church is not a building. It is not a place you go to once or twice a week and then you leave until you go there again. And the building is not the house of God, for God does not dwell in buildings built by human hands. The church is the body of Christ, of all who believe in Jesus with genuine biblical faith. We, the people of God, are the church, and we can gather anywhere on any day of the week at any time of day or night where we can minister God’s love and grace to one another, and where we can help one another to grow in our walks of faith in obedience to God.

And Jesus Christ taught that to come to him we must deny self, take up our cross daily (die daily to sin), and follow (obey) him. For if we hold on to living in sin and for self, we will lose our lives for eternity. But if we deny self, die daily to sin, by the Spirit, and we walk in obedience to our Lord and to his commands, in his power, then we have eternal life with God. For not everyone who calls him “Lord” will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one DOING (obeying) the will of God (see Luke 9:23-26; Matthew 7:21-23).

For by God-gifted faith in Jesus Christ, which is not of our own doing, we are crucified with Christ in death to sin and raised with Christ to walk in newness of life in him, no longer to live as slaves to sin but as slaves to righteousness in walks of obedience to God’s commands. We are no longer to permit sin to reign in our mortal bodies to make us obey its desires. For if sin is what we obey, it results in death. But if obedience to God is what we obey, it results in sanctification, and its end is eternal life with God (see Romans 6:1-23).

[Matthew 7:13-14,21-23; Luke 9:23-26; John 10:27-30; Acts 26:18; Romans 1:18-32; Romans 2:5-10; Romans 3:23; Romans 6:1-23; Romans 8:1-14; 1 Corinthians 10:1-22; Galatians 5:16-24; Ephesians 2:8-10; Ephesians 4:17-32; Ephesians 5:3-6; Titus 2:11-14; Hebrews 3:1-19; Hebrews 4:1-13; Hebrews 10:19-39; Hebrews 12:1-2; 1 Peter 2:24; 1 John 1:1-10; 1 John 2:3-6; 1 John 3:4-10; Revelation 2:1-29; Revelation 3:1-22]

For Our Nation

An Original Work / September 11, 2012
Christ’s Free Servant, Sue J Love
Recording Via Gerry Peters, music producer and arranger

Bombs are bursting. Night is falling.
Jesus Christ is gently calling
You to follow Him in all ways.
Trust Him with your life today.
Make Him your Lord and your Savior.
Turn from your sin. Follow Jesus.
He will forgive you of your sin;
Cleanse your heart, made new within.

Men betraying: Our trust fraying.
On our knees to God we’re praying,
Seeking God to give us answers
That are only found in Him.
God is sovereign over all things.
Nothing from His mind escaping.
He has all things under His command,
And will work all for good.

Jesus Christ is gently calling
You to follow Him in all ways.

Men deceiving: We’re believing
In our Lord, and interceding
For our nation and its people
To obey their God today.
He is our hope for our future.
For our wounds He offers suture.
He is all we need for this life.
Trust Him with your life today.

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Yarddog · 2025-11-09T22:07:31-0600

BPPLEE said:
But you know many racists that you say are good people

Yes I do. And I know racists that are trash.

Yarddog · 2025-11-09T22:06:05-0600

BPPLEE said:
Donald Trump was torched for saying there were good people on both sides and he specifically stated that he wasn’t talking about white supremacists

I know. Many jump on sound bytes and condemn others without the true context.

A New Dawn · 2025-11-09T22:03:40-0600

Ain't Zwinglian said:
Non responsive.

You expect me to take your word for things and then claim I am non-responsive?

Yarddog · 2025-11-09T22:01:23-0600

rjs330 said:
Have you actually been reading what people are saying about ICE?

Yes, that is why I said what I said. I have read and listened to what many people actually say, instead of accusing all based on what a few say.

rjs330 said:
You eill find a LOT more hatred and sheets against ICE than you will afainst illegal immigrants.

Provide proof to back it up.

rjs330 said:
Evey video I have watched regarding ICE and people trying to stop them is horrendous and vile.

Like the videos of the vile things ICE does to anyone they perceive as illegal immigrants?

rjs330 said:
Filled with hatred and vitriol.

Yes, people can see ICE attacking legal protesters, beating and gassing innocent people.

rjs330 said:
You dont see people doing that to illegal immigrants.

ICE does. Bovino admitted that he lied to a Federal judge about gassing and knocking legal protesters down and jailing them.

rjs330 said:
Except there isnt any facism going on.

There is on the right.

stevevw · 2025-11-09T21:58:19-0600

Warden_of_the_Storm said:
I'm certainly not going to respond to all of that because it's a horrible mess of gish gallop and the spelling and punctuation errors honestly make my head hurt to read it. Use question marks (?) for questions, please.

You can claim that signatures you see are examples of advanced tech until your blue in the face, and that's entirely fine and dandy for you to do. But until you actually present substantial evidence of the tools that you claim were advanced enough than what we know were used in that ancient period of history, which goes back to even before Christ, then you cannot expect anyone to accept what you claim as evidence or truth or fact.

Bottom line: you cannot present the advanced technology as evidence in any shape or form, so all you have left is just claims and your claims come across as just pseudo-scientific crock.

So your answer is again that I must produce the actual tools and/or device to prove the case. Is that right. It will not matter about other evidence that may show signatures of machining or any signature that contradicts the traditional method.

All that evidence becomes invalid because I cannot find the tools and/or device that made them.

Yet you just literally said my gun example was valid in working out that a gun made the hole without finding the gun.

The Barbarian · 2025-11-09T21:56:48-0600

Postvieww said:
As you see South Bay United Pentecostal Church (Chula Vista, CA) sued the state!

That wasn't the lie exposed here. It was:

Postvieww said:
He is also aggressively seeking 1.2 million dollars from a California church . Over covid violations.

Fact is, In this case, Calvary Chapel San Jose and its senior pastor, Mike McClure, were sued by Santa Clara County for unpaid fines of more than $2.8 million, for alleged repeated violations of the county’s COVID-19 indoor gathering and mask mandates.

And even if they sued the state, the county governments were the actors in this. I'm not saying you were lying. I'm thinking you trusted people who lied to you.

stevevw · 2025-11-09T21:47:00-0600

Stopped_lurking said:
This is not true, forensics say that a bullet caused the hole because they compare it to holes left by bullets fired from guns vs other holes. If they don't have an example of the technology that caused the hole they wouldn't say that it is caused by ancient technology X1, X2, ... or Xn.

Yes so we can compare the signatures on the ancient works with other methods we have down through time. A saw cut has the forensics of a modern saw cut ect.

Stopped_lurking said:
Can you give an example from the world of forensics? I've only worked with DNA evidence and then we always compare it with the assumption that the trace is matched by chance alone. So how do you propose that we calculate the likelihood ratio of the "witness marks" are left by the orthodox methods vs any ancient technology?

I only used forensic as an example in an attempt to explain in principle the idea of looking at marks and work out what caused them. Do you think there are methods we can use to work this out.

Fervent · 2025-11-09T21:46:31-0600

partinobodycular said:
But both you and Hume have missed the very point that @Hans Blaster, @Bradskii, and I have been trying to explain to you. That's that our sense of morality isn't simply reasoned to from nothing. It's born out of that innate sense of justice and mercy to which Micah alludes in the OT, and Paul describes in 2 Corinthians as not being written with ink, or chiseled in stone, but rather written on the hearts of men.

I didn't miss the point, I just don't find it compelling nor very interesting. You don't seem to understand what is truly at issue, because you think that being able to explain the social-emotional elements gives you an explanation of morality. But it doesn't, because there is nothing to ground morals in when disagreements come up.

partinobodycular said:
However @Hans Blaster is correct that while our implementation of morality begins there, it unfortunately doesn't end there. For it's then up to people to apply that innate sense of right and wrong to the everyday world, and that's where that still small voice can lose out to the misguided reasoning to which we as humans are all too easily swayed.

It doesn't even begin there, you've just got a gloss that explains mechanics and no real means of evaluating what it is that makes something moral.

partinobodycular said:
Yes, morals can change from culture to culture, and time to time, but so long as they keep to the goal of doing justly and loving mercy then they're in keeping with the will of whomever it is to which Micah was alluding when he said to walk humbly with thy God.

Sure, but even "justice" requires some way to reason from is to ought. Otherwise we're just slinging mud where my emotions are in combat with yours.

partinobodycular said:
The important thing to remember however, is that people don't reason to morality from nothing, they just sometimes reason away from it.

All this is doing is taking the "beg the question" option as a legitimate route to morality by assuming that our moral feelings are moral truth, and invoking the naturalistic fallacy that because they came about naturally(through evolution) they must be correct

It's not me not understanding, it's you 3 not grasping the problem. you're likely caught in the dogmatism paradox elaborated by Kripke, so caught up in your own behinds that you can't understand the counter arguments.

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