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Catholic women discuss the challenges of modern dating culture

It’s a metaphor. Men dance around the heart of a woman and can never catch her. They seem to be very handsome and strong, but she is not interested.

Yeah I think it is funny too, but sad at the same time. I sacrifice my heart and soul to God, and He commands me how to treat my wife. The men in the video are representative of modern men that sacrifice themselves to women in exchange for sex and admiration. It never works
Meh…it’s a typical video. She is just playing the man’s usual role in this one. I see it as the usual drivel but not a good metaphor. *shrug* men have been playing that role she plays on the video forever. It’s just role reversal.
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If they do these things in the GREEN wood, what will be done in the DRY?

Jesus said in Luke 23:

31 if they do these things in the green wood, what will be done in the dry?”
What did the “green wood” and the “dry" indicate?

Both indicated the temple. The “green wood” symbolized the physical body of Christ, which in turn symbolized the temple of God. The "dry" symbolized the physical Jerusalem temple.

Jesus was on his way to crucifixion, Luke 23:

26 As the soldiers led him away, they seized Simon from Cyrene, who was on his way in from the country, and put the cross on him and made him carry it behind Jesus. 27 A large number of people followed him, including women who mourned and wailed for him. 28 Jesus turned and said to them, “Daughters of Jerusalem, do not weep for me; weep for yourselves and for your children.
Jesus warned the women that bad things would come upon them and their kids. Thirty-some years later, Rome would burn the city of Jerusalem and the temple.

31 For if people do these things when the tree is green, what will happen when it is dry?”
A green tree was not so easily set on fire. Jesus didn't commit any crime. Despite Pilate's reluctance to execute him, he was about to be crucified. They were about to hang Jesus' body on a tree. Jesus' body symbolized the temple of God.

A dry tree could be easily set on fire. The dry tree represented the Jerusalem temple. It had not been producing good fruit because it was dry. Rome would come and burn the city of Jerusalem and its temple for its rebellion.
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Hebrew and Greek words for "heaven"

Thanks for pointing out that shamayim - the -im ending - makes the word plural as it does in elohim - the gods. From my biblical studies, my understanding of "god" (eloah) or "gods" (elohim) is they are any beings more capable or "advanced" than us humans. In today's parlance, these are ETs - intelligent beings from the heavens. Our common reference to "heavens" is "space", and we also have three "layers" of them just as the ancients did: 1) troposphere, where birds fly, tree leaves fall, and weather occurs; 2) outer space, where the planets, stars, comets, galaxies, dust clouds, etc. are; and 3) "the third heaven"; perhaps it might be called eternity - beyond the universe - or perhaps not. Scripture does not tell us the scope of the creation, though it is commonly assumed that it is the entire modern cosmological universe from cosmology. But that is an assumption.

Indeed, the entirety of what is contained in the modern cosmological model is the work of God, but we have enough trouble with the Greek philosophy imported into Trinitarian doctrine to know the totality of what is to be known about God. Could it be that the Genesis 1:1 text about the creation of "shamayim (sky) and erets (land)" might be lesser in scope than our modern conception?
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CNN Poll: After Debate, Even More Voters Trust Trump On Economy

After all the economic turmoil from COVID-19, any Republican candidate would look good on the economy. That's why it's tragic that there isn't a decent Republican candidate this time around. It would have been an easy win.
I think Nikki Haley would have crushed Harris at the debate. None of the issues that sunk Trump would have even come up.

She doesn’t say stupid things that have to then be cleaned up afterwards. She doesn’t spread dumb unfounded conspiracies she read online or saw on tv. Harris wouldn’t be able to so easily crush her on the abortion debate. She wouldn’t have fallen for the easy bait about crowds at her rallies and look like a self interested raving lunatic coming apart at the seams. She doesn’t have a ton of baggage from an unpopular presidency. She’s not an automatically divisive figure. She doesn’t antagonize or demonize people who disagree with her.

I’m hoping for Trump’s loss, if anything to break the spell he has over so many people.
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Will Israel-Saudi normalization be announced this month?

What it says..

I just heard a man prophecied the other night saying that if he is not elected,Israel will be destroyed
Looks like he will send the beast help after he is elected.He believes only he can save the beast.
Hahaha.
Huh...
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How to love your neighbor this election season

Reuters

It’s election season, and it’s not the most wonderful time of the year!

Tension is high — in marriages, in families, in churches, between friends, between colleagues, and even at Bible Studies and Community Groups. Between both of us — one is a pastor, and the other a professional Christian counselor — we have been inundated talking to people caught in this web of dissension, division, hostility, and emotional overload. Often the discord is within the home — and sadly, quite often within the Church or in church group settings.

The places that we trust to be “safe” — family and church — are often battlegrounds during election season. And this election year is no different.

How, as believers, do we deal with conflict? How do we turn opposition into opportunity? We start by having the mindset of Christ.

Continued below.
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Bernie Sanders says Harris dropping far-left policies 'in order to win the election'

Sanders' statement is in itself an attempt to misdirect Independents and the Undecideds. It is a fake assertion. He knows very well that these voting blocs are needed and that attracting them for their centrism is necessary at all costs. So Sanders must say that, knowing full well that Harris is not dropping her leftist values. And "values" do equal "policies". Harris and Sanders form a duo: (1) maintain the myth of the flip (Harris) and (2) add a temporary credence to that myth (Sanders). Two steps backwards to get three steps forward, American Marxism at its most devious.
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Do not let the sun go DOWN on your anger

Ephesians 4:

26 Be angry, and yet do not sin; do not let the sun go down on your anger.
Is it OK to resolve your disagreement tomorrow?

Yes, it is time to press the reset button when the sun goes down. Replace anger with peace and get some restful sleep. There are always issues that cannot be resolved in a single day.

Jesus informed us in Matthew 6:

34 Therefore do not worry about tomorrow, for tomorrow will worry about itself. Each day has enough trouble of its own.
How do we get rid of the anger and worries before the night?

1 Peter 5:

7 Cast all your anxiety on Him, because He cares for you.
Let God deal with them. Trust God to handle them for you.

Is it OK to resolve your disagreement tomorrow?

Yes, John 16:

33 I have told you these things, so that in me you may have peace. In this world you will have trouble. But take heart! I have overcome the world.”
See also BE ANGRY and do not sin.
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Not going to follow orthodox or catholic church but have question on priesthood

But I do wonder for those who want to be orthodox who can be how does one answer the problem with being assured a person is truly received if perhaps the priest who baptised him is not considered legitimate that does not the church teach there is requirements that should be met before being priest for it to be valid that what if he broke it and they still ordained him or he didn’t believe sincerly.
the worthiness of the priest isn’t relevant to the legitimacy of the sacrament, since the sacrament is God working through the priest.


I am not going to follow orthodox or catholic church because it does not meet people where they are as christ taught He does to the samaritan woman that does not give assurance if person effort is enough to see a priest for him to be saved. That also if one converts to orthodox and catholic church and is baptised and has communion in a prison does not give assurance for how often person must seek communion when he may no be able to in a prison
you really shouldn’t lead with needless digs at us, especially since those digs are just ignorant statements about what we believe.
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African Methodist Episcopal Church reaffirms ban on same-sex marriage

Well, the AMEC is not "closed communion" in practice (although the Book of Discipline might be read that way).

But there isn't a common relationship between the AMEC and the UMC.
Ah, I understand.

Thanks for the reply.
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Crying Out to God

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Crying Out to God

Psalm 51 is a powerful prayer of repentance for this stage of the Path. In this prayer, we beg the Lord to have mercy upon
us and to cleanse us from all our sins. We cry out to God to create a clean heart in us, making it whiter than snow.

The Love Crucified Community. The Simple
Path to Union with God (p. 57). Kindle Edition.

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True repentance is based on a deep truth. As I grow in self-knowledge, I become aware of my need for mercy. The need for repentance also becomes obvious. Humility makes me aware of my freedom, that I am not a victim but responsible for my choices. It is the understanding that ‘sin’ is a reality and not some form of neurotic guilt. To admit that one is a sinner is a form of psychic health. So, Psalm 51 when prayed slowly can bring the one praying to a place of being able to admit one’s need for mercy.

Growth in freedom is a slow process. It is in our choices to be truthful with ourselves that allows freedom to grow. Honesty before God is healing for nothing can be hidden from the gaze of our Eternal Father.
This is freeing, not something to be feared.

Mature faith has to be achieved by facing our false images of God which can lead to servile fear. We are not called to that, to fear. In the 1st letter of John, it is stated “Love Cast out fear”. ‘Trust’ is a choice, so fear has to be faced and stepped over. There is some discomfort in this, but it has to be faced if one wants a deep intimate relationship with Christ.Br.MD



My gaze is upon each of you. I see your struggles; I know your trials; I feel
and suffer your sorrows;I collect your tears; I suffer with each of you.
Have perfect faith in the God that loves you… Believe in the power of your hidden ordinary lives
lived through Me,with Me, and in Me, ONE with Me, no longer two. Believe in My crucified love,
in the power of My crucified gaze to penetrate all darkness. My gaze is upon you;
allow Me to heal your wounds and purify all darkness. My desire for you,
My thirst for each of you, is to make you My living icons.
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'Flawed judgment': Australian court rules against women-only app, claims sex not merely a biological concept

See, they said at first that there was a difference between "gender" and "biological ex." Now they're trying to erase even that difference.

Ridiculous. These people will make up anything for attention.

Gender is sex, and sex is gender.

Get over it.
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Officer who killed Sonya Massey after she rebuked him in Jesus’ name is ‘emissary of Satan,’ dad says

When I use the term I'm acknowledging a demonic presence or its influence on something that occurred. It is not an exorcism as @RDKirk explained but it is a form of spiritual warfare. In layman's terms I'd liken it to a warning or knock it off statement. In most instances I know the culprit. The spirit is detected through the gift of discerning of spirits. 'You' isn't always generic.

~bella
Thanks for the input.
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