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ArmyMatt · Sep 11, 2024

petergreenwell said:
Hey there is a compression in the bible called The Rainbow. It's what the Gnostics discovered. Jesus said, "I will reveal things in my parables that have been hidden since the foundations of the world. There were 10 virgins, some were wise and had their own oil....
oil=wisdom
wine=makes you feel good

it's also called true Hebrew--that's what the Gnostics called it. So you can speak 2 languages at the same time. What am I saying here?
Never mix Oil and Wine?

For those who have ears

petergreenwell said:
Yup, here's another one: Revelation 6:6 And I heard a voice in the midst of the four beasts say, A measure of wheat for a penny, and three measures of barley for a penny; and see thou hurt not the oil and the wine.
By the way, the translation for my phrase above is: Never mix what wisdom with what makes you feel good

sorry, but I don’t follow what this stuff has to do with this thread. could you clarify?

All Becomes New · Sep 11, 2024

Here is the video I said I would post.

I believe it can benefit all Christians. I am watching it now.

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petergreenwell · Sep 11, 2024

So, this is about Israel and Zionism (1890). 12 tribes and Israel are the stars and the women. When she comes out of the wilderness it's 1890. Subtract the 1260 and do the year day principle.
The Jews were sacrificing on the temple mount right up until the Muslim period. It's an exact match.
Merry Christmas

KevinT · Sep 11, 2024

petergreenwell said:
STAFF EDIT

The fall of mankind, as related in Genesis, relates to eating a fruit of a tree. It is my understanding that various people, through the years, have instead tried to make this to be about sex. But I see no support of that.

KT

Michie · Sep 11, 2024

Visibly affected and on the verge of tears, Leyden Rovelo spoke about the suffering of tens of thousands of recently arrived immigrant children in the United States during her talk Sept. 9 at the 2024 International Eucharistic Congress in Quito, Ecuador.

Rovelo referenced official reports that indicate that federal agencies such as U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement and the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services have failed to account for between 30,000 and 85,000 of these minors.

“They don’t know where our children are,” she said.

The Catholic Church and the migration drama

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Eucharistic Congress spotlights travails of child migrant U.S. trek

The suffering of tens of thousands of recently arrived migrant children in the U.S. was addressed during a talk this week at the International Eucharistic Congress.

www.catholicnewsagency.com

mikeforjesus · Sep 11, 2024

I decided instead I will live only for Jesus to not seem to seem not serious though they ought to take seriously that I will not pursue riches or to work if help is not from christian otherwise to leave business aside if I have to get help from non christian that I will work only for a christian if I need money and only marry a wife if accepting that for christ also supports that not to worry for tommorow. Though a christian may have sinned getting money from help from non christian bible says can accept them and it needed not to happen that I can still get help from christian who did not or get enough money raising it from a job that involves labour where skills are learned in public knowledge even if shared from a non christian but the point is I don't seek favours from them anymore for if they didn't share it a christian would that some knowledge has been discovered by the ancients before christianity and they recorded it but if they didn’t christian would.

Jeremiah 17:5-8
5 Thus says the LORD:
“Cursed is the man who trusts in man
And makes flesh his strength,
Whose heart departs from the LORD.
6 For he shall be like a shrub in the desert,
And shall not see when good comes,
But shall inhabit the parched places in the wilderness,
In a salt land which is not inhabited.
7 “Blessed is the man who trusts in the LORD,
And whose hope is the LORD.
8 For he shall be like a tree planted by the waters,
Which spreads out its roots by the river,
And will not fear when heat comes;
But its leaf will be green,
And will not be anxious in the year of drought,
Nor will cease from yielding fruit.

petergreenwell · Sep 11, 2024

I think of this as an allegory of God's word. Water being God's Word, and the Wine being the prophecy being fulfilled. ie., 2/3's of the water had turned bitter---wormwood, so no one could drink it. Never look the wine in the glass until it arights itself in the cup, and so on.
It's just another way of looking at it. For those who have ears

petergreenwell · Sep 11, 2024

Yeshua HaDerekh said:
From the Talmud? Yeshua ben Panthera. It was a Yeshua whose mother was also Miriam but she was unfaithful, hence the name...Ben Stada lived about 70-100 years (in about 100 CE) after Yeshua of Nazarath. Yeshua ben Pandira lived in 80 BCE.

Thanks!!

bèlla · Sep 11, 2024

The alliance was designed to counter the dollar and level the playing field. They aren't a threat but part of the problem.

In 2001, Goldman Sachs’ Global Investment Research Division publishes the report, “Build Better Global Economic BRICs,” coining the acronym for the four countries that would reshape the world economy– Brazil, Russia, India and China.

~bella

RileyG · Sep 11, 2024

Welcome Keith!

Michie · Sep 11, 2024

Michie · Sep 11, 2024

Materialism develops within man's soul when he constantly fixates upon the splendor of his material possessions. But materialism can only exist in your heart if it has "room to breathe." Otherwise, it suffocates from lack of attention.

Jesus said, "Do not store up for yourselves treasures on Earth, where moth and rust destroy, and where thieves break in and steal. But store up for yourselves treasures in Heaven, where moth and rust do not destroy, and where thieves do not break in and steal. For where your treasure is, there your heart will be also" (Matthew 6:16-18).

You see, the more stuff you have, the more time and attention it takes to maintain it. You get to choose who or what is going to fill your soul. If you consider Jesus to be your treasure, your heart will be centered around Him. If, on the other hand, you choose to make material things your treasure, your heart will be primarily focused upon those things.

Continued below.

How to get out of the stranglehold of materialism

Do you find your joy in Jesus, or in your material possessions

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FreeinChrist · Sep 11, 2024

ADVISOR HAT

This thread is closed. The Statement of Purpose for this forum includes:

General Apologetics: This is not a forum where Christians are asked to defend their faith against objections and criticism from non-believers.

This thread is asking for a defense of Christianity.

Xeno.of.athens · Sep 11, 2024

hislegacy said:
That explains a lot of the difference we have - Personally, my faith is based solely on the inerrant Word of God. But you know that already.

I have heard you say it, that is all I know of it.

RileyG · Sep 11, 2024

Lord have mercy!

RileyG · Sep 11, 2024

Michie said:
I think Paul covers this in Scripture when he speaks of those where they are judged according to their conscience. Been missing seeing you around! Glad you stop in to visit every once in awhile.

Agreed.

RileyG · Sep 11, 2024

Thanks for sharing

joymercy · Sep 11, 2024

Shall we bring into play, overnight adoration to keep watch at French Parishes?

Will there be enough faithful to stay up and guard the parish, adoring and praying?

Have we not been at war against the evil one since the beginning?

tonychanyt · Sep 11, 2024

"Verily, verily" in King James Version was translated from the Hebrew: amen, amen. Some translated this Hebrewism as "Amen, I say to you". It was an ancient way of making emphasis by doubling the word.

Abraham, Abraham (Genesis 22:11)
Jacob, Jacob (Genesis 46:2)
Moses, Moses (Exodus 3:4)
Samuel, Samuel (1 Samuel 3:10)
Lord, Lord (Matthew 7:21-22)
Jerusalem, Jerusalem (Matthew 23:37)
My God, My God; in Greek, ἠλὶ, ἠλὶ (Mark 15:34)
Martha, Martha (Luke 10:41)
Simon, Simon (Luke 22:31)
Saul, Saul (Acts 9:4)
Song of Songs (Song 1:1)

The following is from Robert:

In Hebrew, the doubling is used for emphasis. So when you see something like "gold gold", you might translate this as "pure gold" or "fine gold" to emphasize how extremely goldy it is. Of course translators then struggle in translating this idiom, which is why in translating "die die" you see "surely die", "certainly", "in dying you shall die" (which I believe is a poor translation as it elaborates a bit too much).

This doubling occurs over a hundred times in the old testament, and when it does most often translators try to understand what is being emphasized and then express that, as in the following:

Gen 14.10: Now the Valley of Siddim [tar tar] pits. translated as "was full of tar pits"
Gen 18.10: And they piled them in [heaps heaps], and the land stank. translated as "countless heaps"
Numbers 14.7: “The land that we went through to explore is [very very] good. translated as "exceptionally good"
Eccl 7.24: Whatever is—it is far [deep deep]. Who can discover it? translated as "beyond comprehension"
2 Chron 31.6 And they gave [heaps heaps]. translated as "heaps upon heaps"

At other times, the doubling is included verbatim as the english doubling also conveys an emphasis.

Joel 4.14 Commotion, commotion in the valley of decision! For the day of Yahweh is near in the valley of decision!
Prov 20.14 “Bad, bad,” the buyer will say, but when one goes to him, then he will boast.
Eccl. 1.2 “Vanity of vanities!” says the Teacher, “Vanity of vanities! All is vanity!”
2 Chron 23.13 And Athaliah tore her garments and cried, “Conspiracy! Conspiracy!”

Sometimes the doubling is translated as "every":

2 Chron 13.11 They offer burnt offerings to Yahweh [morning morning] and [evening evening] translated as "every morning" and "every evening".

And finally sometimes the translators don't know what is being emphasized so they ignore the doubling:

Lam 1.16: For these things, I am weeping, my [eyes eyes] flow with tears translated as a single "eyes".

DaisyDay · Sep 11, 2024

BPPLEE said:
The difference between conspiracy theories and the truth is about 3 years

Naw, Kennedy has been a kook for decades.

Michie · Sep 11, 2024

Apparitions And Criticism Of Church

One thing shared in common by several rejected or partially rejected alleged apparitions of the Virgin Mary: their mention of the Church in any sort of negative light.

175 Years Ago, Mary Appeared at La Salette, and Wept| National Catholic Register

Start with Our Lady of LaSalette in 1846, where a prophecy to do with a coming devastating crop failure given to both seers (Melanie Calvat and Maximin Giraud) was officially accepted while a “secret” granted solely to Melanie was alternately (depending on bishop) rejected, accepted, and, finally, rejected again.

The spurned message had said, in part, “The priests, ministers of my Son, the priests, by their wicked lives, by their irreverence and their impiety in the celebration of the holy mysteries, by their love of money, their love of honor and pleasures, the priests have become cesspools of impurity. Yes, the priests are asking vengeance, and vengeance is hanging over their heads. Woe to the priests and those dedicated to God who by their unfaithfulness and their wicked lives are crucifying my Son again!” It wasn’t a message to warm the hearts of clerics.

And it didn’t stop there. “A great number of priests and members of religious orders will break away from the true religion; among these people there will even be bishops.”

Then: “The Holy Father will suffer a great deal” and “the Church will witness a frightful crisis.”

“For,” said Melanie’s secret, “the devil will resort to all his evil tricks to introduce sinners into religious orders” and “many convents are no longer houses of God, but the grazing grounds of Asmodeus [a king of demons] and his like.”

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Apparitions And Criticism Of Church | Spirit Daily Blog

One thing shared in common by several rejected or partially rejected alleged apparitions of the Virgin Mary: their mention of the Church in any sort of negative light. Start with Our Lady of LaSalette in 1846, where a prophecy to do with a coming devastating crop failure given to both seers...

spiritdailyblog.com

tonychanyt · Sep 11, 2024

KevinT said:
I have always thought that casting lots was something akin to rolling dice.

Right. I understand that the U&T were special kinds of lots.

Michie · Sep 11, 2024

RALEIGH, N.C. (OSV News) — A day after breaking bread with farmworkers and listening to their stories, a delegation on a pastoral visit to the Diocese of Raleigh heard a series of presentations on realities, best practices, current policies, and pastoral insights by diocesan volunteers and leaders at the Catholic Center in Raleigh Aug. 3.

The Aug. 1-4 pastoral visit was organized by the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops’ Subcommittee on Pastoral Care of Migrants, Refugees, and Travelers. Participants from the USCCB and the Catholic Migrant Farmworker Network, joined by Raleigh parishioners and community organizers, witnessed the efforts of parishes accompanying workers and learned about their working and living conditions.

Panel discussions highlight farmworker conditions

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North Carolina pastoral visit reveals farmworkers' harsh experiences

A day after breaking bread with farmworkers and listening to their stories, a delegation on a pastoral visit to the Diocese of Raleigh heard a series of presentations on realities, best practices, current policies, and pastoral insights by diocesan volunteers and leaders at the Catholic Center...

www.oursundayvisitor.com

KevinT · Sep 11, 2024

Xeno.of.athens said:
Would you weep for Job when this happened were you a son of God in the gathering before God?

It is hard for me to weep before an event occurs. For example, I know intellectually that as the war between Russian and Ukraine goes on, that more and more young men are going to be viciously killed because of the power-grabbing machinations of politicians. And that makes me very sad. But I don't weep. If, on the other hand, I was standing at the side of the body of the boy, I would certainly weep.

KT

chevyontheriver · Sep 11, 2024

Jesse Dornfeld said:
How you raise your children, and how you treat your spouse, but especially how you raise your children, is paramount to the success of Christianity in the next generation.

Gen Z is largely rejecting Christianity en mass. I am not blaming anyone here specifically, but millennials have REALLY dropped the ball in instilling the faith in the younger generation.

I am a millennial, but I am not married and I have no children so maybe I do not have a place to stand. However, I do know that pretty much all the millennials I went to Youth Group with are either very nominally Christian, they believe things like universalism and other extremely liberal views, or they have no interest in Christianity and are into Paganism or new age weirdness.

We have really dropped the ball as a generation. We want to be our children's best friend so we don't lay down the law. We let their heart roam, so to speak. I am not saying to not let your children ask questions. In fact, I have read that allowing your children to ask questions is the best way to pass your faith onto your kids. To be open and honest with them. To invite their questions and if you don't know, to say, "Let's find out together."

But my parents laid down the law when I was a child. I did not get to do whatever I wanted. I did not get exactly what I wanted for my birthday very often. I thank my parents for not putting up with my crap. I am better for it today.

So you want to be relatable and open with your kids. But you also want them to know that when you make a rule, it's not a debate; that's the rule.

Thanks for coming to my TedTalks.

The trouble began with your parent's generation, though not all of them. Many were taught a very weak and vague faith by the catechists who listened to the theological experts of the day. The fundamental principle here is 'you can't teach what you don't have'. Many in your parent's generation never caught the faith, but instead a cultural Christianity, so they couldn't pass the faith on to their children. Some caught the faith despite that because in the cultural Christianity of the time it was still possible, sometimes, to figure it out. But now, with the culture changed so much in an anti-Christian direction it's rare. Kids still come to faith here and there, and I see a bunch here and there. Some parents know and teach the faith. Some catechists know and teach the faith. But overall it's a wasteland.

Your generation could be accused of dropping the ball, but many of them were never handed the ball in the first place. They got at best a cultural Christianity. So don't be so hard on them. Look at it like this. You and some like you are in a big boat. And there are people out in the water after a shipwreck. You guys in the boat are pulling them in one by one. That's the job today. Rescue who you can. The folks in the water are not enemies but really need you.

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