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Alabama Church Mourns As Pastor’s Grandson Accused of Murdering Wife, 4 Children

An Alabama pastor reportedly wrestled a gun away from his grandson after the grandson allegedly shot five people, including four children and his wife. Brandon Kendrick II (32) has been arrested and charged with five counts of capital murder.

Among the victims were Brandon Kendrick’s wife, Kelsey Kendrick (24), and his own children, Kaleb Kendrick (6) and Kynli Kendrick (2). The other two victims were relatives Haley Daniels (6) and Colton Daniels, who would have turned nine on Tuesday.

Brandon Kendrick had been living in a garage apartment of his grandfather, Allan Kendrick (71), who is the pastor of Oasis of Praise Church in Bessemer, Alabama, a suburb of Birmingham.

Police responded to a call at Allan Kendrick’s residence in West Blocton, a town roughly 30 miles south of Bessemer, on Thursday (July 18) around 10 p.m. Brandon Kendrick was taken into custody without incident.

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Here’s the Early 20th-Century Catholic Modernist Crisis in a Nutshell...

Josephine Hope-Scott Ward (1864–1932) wrote at the crossroads of the implementation of Catholic Emancipation in England—particularly the Universities Tests Acts of 1871—and the Catholic Modernist Crisis (1893–1914). The author of ten novels, a novella, and numerous articles and personal writings, Josephine Ward’s body of work provides a unique look into how the modernist controversy was experienced by English Catholics in the first decade of the twentieth century.

Josephine Ward was the niece of the Duke of Norfolk, which demonstrates her ties to Recusant England. She was also the daughter of the Tractarian and Oxford convert, James Robert Hope-Scott (1812–1872). In 1887, Josephine married Wilfrid Ward (1856–1916), who was the son of the notable Oxford convert, William George Ward (1812–1882). Formed by the English Catholic intelligentsia, Josephine and Wilfrid would become two of the most influential Catholic voices in England at the time of the modernist controversy. Though nearly all of Josephine’s writings have fallen out of print and all but disappeared from the historical record, her voice is essential for an understanding of the social and religious implications of the modernist crisis in England in particular, but also in the greater Anglophone sphere. This is particularly true of her novel, Out of Due Time.

The Modernist Crisis in a Nutshell​


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God’s Providential Plan for Us Embraces Everything We Do — Even Politics

God’s purposes are often unknowable by us, but there’s no question that he has a plan.

A chorus of populist theologizing greeted the attempted assassination of Donald Trump. Much of it was along the lines of “Considering that the shot missed killing him by only a couple of inches, God must have been looking out for him.”

I fully agree. God certainly was looking out for the former president. So what else might we say about what happened?

Although pushing too hard to explain God’s ways can be presumptuous, we can at least say that any serious attempt to understand will run up against mystery. Comprehending God’s plan in its literally unimaginable extent and complexity lies far beyond our limited capacity for grasping divine realities other than those he reveals. As for the little that we do see, it’s seen, as St. Paul remarks, as through a glass — darkly (1 Corinthians 13:12).

In the present case, then, start with the obvious. God isn’t a Democrat or a Republican or anything else in political terms. But politics and politicians do have places in God’s providential plan, as do everyone and everything that exists now or ever has existed in the past or ever will exist in the future. Also, although God doesn’t cause evil, he does permit evil’s intrusion into history — including the evil done by crackbrained individuals who shoot celebrities.

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On Eve of GOP Convention, Faith Leaders Warn Against White Christian Nationalism

No doubt that there are many Nationalists who are Christian. Many Christians believe that the US is a secular state, yet they are patriots anyway

He believes that the US is a Christian nation to be ruled by biblical law.

I didn't see his name on that document. But what has he done that is so dangerous?
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‘The Trinity Is the Source of Mercy’: Vatican Dicastery for the Doctrine of the Faith Recognizes ‘Trinity Fount of Mercy’ Messages

The Prefect of the Dicastery for the Doctrine of the Faith sends a letter, approved by the Pope, to the cardinal bishop of Como granting the ‘nulla osta’ regarding spiritual experiences at the Sanctuary of Maccio.

Vatican News

The entry into force of the new Norms for discerning alleged supernatural phenomena has allowed a new “green light” from the Dicastery for the Doctrine of the Faith, this time with regard to spiritual experiences at the Shrine of Maccio in Villa Guardia, near Como in northern Italy.

In 2000, Gioacchino Genovese, a music teacher and choir director, married and the father of two daughters, began to perceive through “intellectual visions,” a “living presence of the mystery of the Holy Trinity.”

A serious, discreet person who never sought the limelight, five years later he invited more people to be involved with adoration, supplications, and novenas.

After an initial examination of Genovese’s writings and of the phenomenon more generally, in 2010 the then Bishop of Como, Diego Coletti gave the parish church the status of a Sanctuary with the title Santissima Trinità Misericorida (“Most Holy Trinity Mercy”).

The prefect's letter​


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Biden is stepping aside.

It is not love if affirming immoral behavior. In fact, to not tell others about evil is the opposite
of love. Just turning a blind eye toward evil and saying nothing is not love, but participation in
the evil itself. Jesus spoke against evil, often.
exactly .
in fact we are told
you shall not hate your neighbor in your heart
you shall in any way rebuke them and not ALLOW sin upon them .
LOVE CORRECTS .
Yet christendom has a big problem .
It seems to think its not loving and even judgmental to correct sin and error within THE CHURCH .
That led to it also now being accepted in the CHURCH . as we see more and more rainbows
and etc getting set up . Leaven will bring buddies if leaven is not corrected .
WHY does GOD warn
Because HE desires not the death of the wicked but rather they would , REPENT .
But todays love seems not to warn , it seems to just allow SIN upon its neighbor
in fact its getting so bad now
they are even accepting UNBELIEF as OKAY .
But that aint what JESUS said . HE said IF you BELIEVE NOT that i am HE , you gonna DIE in your sins .
but today its the mantra about how everyones religoin is okay stuff .
Its getting worse all the time my friend . IF WE LOVE THEM we correct them .
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Stunning Tang Dynasty Mural Unearthed in China Portrays a ‘Westerner’ with Blonde Hair

In north-central China, roadwork near the city of Taiyuan uncovered a tomb dating to the Tang Dynasty that is turning heads for its remarkably preserved collection of murals depicting daily life.

One might imagine such a tomb decorated with images of dragons among heavenly palaces resting on clouds—depicting a glorious afterlife, but this tomb shows a series of pictures of household chores, and a glimpse of the Silk Road in the form of a foreigner.

Discovered in 2018 on a hill slope alongside the old Jin Ci West Central Ring Road in Taiyuan city, the tomb consists of a brick chamber, entranceway, and corridor, and first welcomed its owners into the embrace of the Earth around 736 CE during the Tang Dynasty.

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Joe Biden Will Be The Democratic 2024 Nominee, He's Not Dropping His Bid For President

So you're from Pittsburgh but you don't like the Stillers?! Say it ain't so!
I worshiped in that “church” during the glory years, I’m at best agnostic when it comes to all things SPORTSBALL. (They say we’re going to get a MLB franchise here soon!)
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Monster 12-Inch-Long Oyster Harvested Off English Coast Weighs Over 5 Pounds

The boss of a seafood delicacy business has spoken of the shock he experienced harvesting a monster oyster as big as a newborn baby.

Tom Haward said he was fascinated after his company retrieved the huge mollusk, weighing 5.5lbs (2.5kg) along the coast of Mersea Island, Essex.

Mr. Haward estimates the 12 inches long and five inches wide oyster is 20 years old which makes it considerably rare as they usually only live for around six years in harvested waters.

“My first thought was ‘flipping heck’. We work with oysters all the time and see thousands upon thousands a day, but to see one like that, it was fascinating,” Mr. Haward said. “You could see the growth lines on it, just like a tree. It’s very intriguing.”

Richard Haward’s Oysters, founded in 1769, harvests around a million mollusks a year but Mr. Haward said this one was the largest he’d seen.


Positing how an oyster could live so long, the oysterman said that with 14 miles of oyster reefs, it’s always possible for an individual to be looked over.

“Some can be left growing as they keep getting missed and then they can end up around 20 years old,” he said.

Unlike other delicacies, size doesn’t confer special treatment, and if the oyster does make it to their market stall, it would be sold according to the weight of its meat, putting it at about $12.00.

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Before Abraham WAS, I AM

John 8:

58 Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was born, I am**.”
was born
γενέσθαι (genesthai)
Verb - Aorist Infinitive Middle
Strong's 1096: A prolongation and middle voice form of a primary verb; to cause to be, i.e. to become, used with great latitude.

There was no Koine Greek tense that corresponded exactly to the English past tense. The aorist was often translated as the English past tense.

I
ἐγὼ (egō)
Personal / Possessive Pronoun - Nominative 1st Person Singular
Strong's 1473: I, the first-person pronoun. A primary pronoun of the first person I.

am
εἰμί (eimi)
Verb - Present Indicative Active - 1st Person Singular Strong's 1510: I am, exist. The first person singular present indicative; a prolonged form of a primary and defective verb; I exist.

G1510-εἰμί was a different verb from G1096-γίνομαι. They were not just different in forms; they were different lexemes, having different meanings. εἰμί was the verb to be while γίνομαι was the verb to become.

The past tense of εἰμί was the imperfect indicative: ἤμην (ēmēn) - I was. There was no aorist tense for G1510.

The main verb of the clause was εἰμί. The secondary verb, the infinitive, was γενέσθαι. This showed their relative time.

My translation:

Before Abraham was to become, I already am.
See also Before Abraham was, I AM
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'for now is our salvation nearer than when we believed'

Put on the Lord Jesus. The One on the throne, the greatest One of all, wants us to put Him on. That's very intimate, with Jesus who is so great and better than we are.

But we can want to be intimate with feelings of pleasure. Lusts can take us to seek pleasure. But pleasure feelings are not love. Lusts can feel very convincing so people can feel they are in love with each other, but - -

Jesus is gentle and humble and quiet and better.

"rather let it be the hidden person of the heart, with the incorruptible beauty of a gentle and quiet spirit, which is very precious in the sight of God." (1 Peter 3:4)

The lust can be very busy lying to us, making much noise and promises of pleasure. But then the pleasure leaves us and forsakes us, and the people we use do not last. And the loneliness and boredom are still there, making their pain and noise, spoiling us so we do not enjoy quiet rest with Jesus.

"'Take My yoke upon you and learn from Me, for I am gentle and lowly in heart, and you will find rest for your souls.'" (Matthew 11:29)

In this "yoke" of Jesus we have connection, intimacy . . . companionship with love so we are not lonely; and we have *God's* pleasure of Heaven's goodness of God's love pleasantly soothing and caressing us with His rest >

"Now hope does not disappoint, because the love of God has been poured out in our hearts by the Holy Spirit who was given to us." (Romans 5:5)

Yes, there is pleasure at His right hand >

"You will show me the path of life;
In Your presence is fullness of joy;
At Your right hand are pleasures forevermore."
(Psalm 16:11)

Jesus is perfectly pleasing, satisfying God Himself . . . so delighting that He on the cross satisfied our Father to forgive us for any and all sins (1 John 2:2) and reconcile with us and adopt us as His own children. And Jesus in us can be so pleasing to us while changing us to be like Him so pleasing to our Father . . . "conformed to the image of His Son, that He might be the firstborn among many brethren." (in Romans 8:29)

gentle and humble

so humble, not conceited, so superior and yet He loves and cares for each and every person, and was willing to leave Heaven in order to reach us and so suffer and die for us . . . while we have been conceited to judge who is good enough for us to love and worth loving

Jesus is all-loving, so generously forgiving . . . not bored and lonely, but so loving and kind.

So put Him on.

Not putting on a show and gestures of prayer to God "out there somewhere", but submitting to how You change us and share with us and personally guide us, all the time so we are with You.

And we get this in sharing with one another, since You in Your love are about family, Father. We can not find out how to love like You, by being distant from our brothers and sisters . . . and enemies. But You are not conceited and distant, but humble and willing to share, while strong enough in love so You do not fear or get hurt, and You in Your love share this strength with us.

"And who is he who will harm you if you become followers of what is good?" (1 Peter 3:13)

"Finally, my brethren, be strong in the Lord and in the power of His might." (Ephesians 6:10)

Change our character, LORD our Father, so we are, please, and the glory is to You who are able to do this.
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Blaming Feminist for loss of "men's purpose in life", Congressman Claims U.S. should work its way back to 1960

And what roles were the males and females fulfilling for those tens of thousands of years?

Depends on what society and what time one looks at.

For example, women as the literal property of their husbands whose only purpose was to make babies has been common in many places and at many times. I personally think that women are people and that people shouldn't be property, so I would consider that particular example a bad one to emulate. But I have this funny notion of "human dignity" that I subscribe to. Your mileage may vary.

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Who are the Writers of the 2025 Plan? Here they are.

The project consists of a few major goals outlined in their mission statement.

  1. Centralize power in the executive branch, i.e., the president.
  2. Dismantle the administrative state
  3. Defend the nation's sovereignty and borders
  4. Secure God-given individual rights — to live freely
Some of the proposals include putting the Federal Justice Department entirely under the president's control.
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“Think tanks do think tank stuff. They come up with ideas. They say things, I, look, I like Heritage Foundation, I agree with some of the things they stand for," Rubio said on an appearance on CNN's State of the Union. "I've seen plenty of write-ups, frankly, not just from left-wing think tanks, but from columnists and others who are opinion writers who have actually come up with crazy ideas that are now the policies of the United States under Joe Biden. Things like, I don't know, letting people into our country and releasing them, because there's no danger."

The document states these proposed actions would all be taken within 180 days of a potential presidential inauguration, Jan. 20, 2025, hence the name "Project 2025." Again – Donald Trump has not openly accepted this plan as his own, so this is not a sure thing even in the event Trump is elected.

The entire docket is available to read for free at project2025.org.
I listened to Ben Schapiro before Congress, being asked about Project 2025. He like most, said he hadn't
read the document other than the little soundbites reported in the news on it. He then affirmed as did the
Democrat congressman asking the questions, the four items you outlined.
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False gospels in African churches

Long before the 19th century wasn't Ethopia occupied by congregations of Christians?

I mean the book of Acts tells of the Ethiopian eunuch of Candace's court being led to Christ by Phillip. (Acts 8)
There are traditions of him bringing the Christian faith back with him to Ethiopia.
Yes those were the beginning in Scripture.

I ran across this:

By the beginning of the sixth century, there were Christian Churches throughout northern Ethiopia. King Kaleb, of the Aksumite Kingdom, led crusades against Christian persecutors in southern Arabia, where Judaism was experiencing a resurgence that led to the persecution of Christians.
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Hulk Hogan Rips Off Shirt, Calls Trump His ‘Hero’ at RNC

People, we are WAY off topic.

This thread is about Hulk Hogan electrifying the Republican National Convention!

This is serious politics dontchaknow. Disgraced former professional wrestler tears shirt and becomes spectacle at a political convention.

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Suspect dead after 80-year-old hit by ATV in Hancock

Hate ATVs. People drive them like boats. Drunk and heedless. And they stomp them all over the fragile high country tundra.
Amen brother. My parents and I used to live in the country, and we had a disdain for ATVs as well. Only a few people such as our neighbors and friends managed to drive the off-road vehicles nicely, while others cut through our property line and others, including destroying the pristine nature.
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Let us go forth therefore unto him without the camp, bearing his reproach...

Peace in Christ.

Again….our Lord takes away the handwriting of ordinances/dogmas of the churches (their “statements of faith, church “constitutions”, “statutes”, “by-laws,” “creeds”, etc, etc, etc….and nails it to His cross. They no longer have power over us. Their power is neutralized by His cross.

He forgives us for the keeping and serving of these “images”….these graven-by-the-church scribes-pen images.

He has forgiven us of ALL trespasses that were done with the “churches” of fleshly-minded men who had you willfully keeping and serving (and judging others with) their handwritings of church dogmas.

We are to walk in Him….and follow Him out of the “churches” of fleshly men who keep and serve their externally-written handwritings of ordinances more than they keep and serve His commandments which are written upon our internal hearts and minds.

Col 2:13-15 KJV
(13) And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;

(14) Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;

By following Him out of their “churches”, He makes an open show of them…spoiling their “principalities and powers” as they have no power over us any longer. We triumph over them in Him.

(15) And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it.

We put off the “body”…divesting ourselves wholly from that church body that works and serves the sins of the flesh…where they are judging others via their handwritings. They are serving the sin by doing so. The whole church body sins by doing so....and we must no longer attach our mortal bodies with them but be circumcised by Christ.

Col 2:11 KJV
(11) In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ:


We are then sanctified/cleansed when we come out from among their churches and are separate from them …no longer attaching ourselves to the “unclean”…the dead body of a fleshly-minded church that keeps and serves their “idols”…the “graven images” of their handwritings of ordinances/dogmas.

Heb 13:11-15 KJV
(11) For the bodies of those beasts, whose blood is brought into the sanctuary by the high priest for sin, are burned without the camp.

We are sanctified with His own blood as we go forth unto Him OUTSIDE (without) the camp bearing His reproach. This is how we are to be cleansed of our sin for sitting together with them…becoming “one flesh” with them. This is the true “fornication” that we had been involved with.

We bear His reproach because the unbelievers who will continue to stay in their “church”…the dead body….will persecute those who will leave.

(12) Wherefore Jesus also, that he might sanctify the people with his own blood, suffered without the gate.

(13) Let us go forth therefore unto him without the camp, bearing his reproach.

They serve in a “camp”….a temporary place…but we are looking for a “continuing city”. They mortally perish in the churches of men while we who are outside their churches expect to inherit an age-lasting life in this mortal body…never seeing death for Jesus already died for us in the flesh and was resurrected in the flesh so that we might have His life now in the flesh…this mortal body.

(14) For here have we no continuing city, but we seek one to come.
(15) By him therefore let us offer the sacrifice of praise to God continually, that is, the fruit of our lips giving thanks to his name.

We are not redeemed with the corruptible things….their handwritings of ordinances...received by our church fathers who passed them down (their “tradition”…that is, their passed down handwritings) from one generation to another. Our church behavior was empty because of the keeping and serving of the church scribes' handwritings that have been passed down from them for us to also keep and serve....and perish with the using of them. They are lifeless, empty writings that do not save anyone.

1Pe 1:18-19
(18) Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold, from your vain conversation received by tradition (passed down transmission) from your fathers;

We are to leave them behind and be redeemed with the precious blood of Christ who nails their passed down “traditions” to His cross. We are sanctified by His blood.

(19) But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot:

We are to not to be carried about with many of their strange teachings….being like children in understanding….being tossed to and fro by every wind of doctrine of deceitful men.

Their “meats”…their teachings…do not profit them as they mortally perish. They are “meats” or teachings sacrificed to their “idols”….their images...that is, their handwritings. We are not to eat of their “meats”…that is, their teachings…which are according to their handwritings which are the commandments and doctrines of earthly-minded men.

Heb 13:9-14 KJV
(9) Be not carried about with divers and strange doctrines. For it is a good thing that the heart be established with grace; not with meats, which have not profited them that have been occupied therein.
(10) We have an altar, whereof they have no right to eat which serve the tabernacle.
(11) For the bodies of those beasts, whose blood is brought into the sanctuary by the high priest for sin, are burned without the camp.
(12) Wherefore Jesus also, that he might sanctify the people with his own blood, suffered without the gate.
(13) Let us go forth therefore unto him without the camp, bearing his reproach.
(14) For here have we no continuing city, but we seek one to come.


This is the “holy”…to be separate for cleanness…commandment we are not to turn away from. We must come out from among them and be separate and no longer attach our mortal bodies with them.

2Co 6:17-18 KJV
(17) Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you,

(18) And will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty.

The way of righteousness is to follow our Lord and Savior out of the churches of fleshly-minded men who keep and serve their handwritings. This is our sanctification as His blood redeems us from the dead “body” of the sins of those fleshly men we had once partook of.

Remember Lot’s wife…and never return. Never look back. Take nothing of theirs with you….none of their teachings nor commandments. Leave it all behind you.

2Pe 2:20-22 KJV
(20) For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning.

Let us not turn from the “holy commandment” that is delivered unto us to keep. Holy = separateness that entails purity. We are to come out from among them and be SEPARATE and no longer attach ourselves to the unclean. We are “clean” when we come out from among them and are separate…be “holy”.

(21) For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them.

(22) But it is happened unto them according to the true proverb, The dog is turned to his own vomit again; and the sow that was washed to her wallowing in the mire.

There is no formula to effect miracles

If you want more miracles. Love, Fasting, effectual fervent prayer, faith in action and a desire of spiritual gifts and confessing and reading the word. Full of faith and the Spirit like Stephen. Still, it is as the Holy Spirit wills, and these things mixed with faith will sure help. One of my teachers talked about his moving into this area and he thought anyone could if they were willing to get serious with God about it. It took him months of prayer but there was a noticeable difference in His ministry. Jesus' Himself fasted 40 days, was tempted, then performed miracles. Those are the basics.
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Kamala Harris aggressive pro abortion stance.

I do not consider myself to be either a Republican or Democrat. In general, I don’t trust politicians.

But I do know about the horrors that go on in abortion clinics. And I do know that is not OK with the Lord to kill preborn babies.

Please pray that the upcoming election results do not lead to an increase in the deaths of unborn children.
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