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If the Protestant Translators wanted to include the Apocryphal books - they would have, they also would no longer be Protestant.

Lutherans have historically always had the Deuterocanonicals in our Bibles.

Perhaps a definition of "Protestant" would be in order here. Are Lutherans Protestant?

-CryptoLutheran
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Trump’s Muslim ban

From post #210:




Seriously, where do you get that. Did you check the "Asian Foods" shelf at the grocery?
No, I look at brand names like Libby’s at dollar tree or Clover Valley at Dollar General. I should have specified this pertains mostly to canned fruit and I have seen a shift from US grown to PRC grown. There has been an increase of no specified place of origin also; there I have to take my chances.

Many people in America want to know where food is from ( maybe you could care less, I have no idea).


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Seventy Times Seven by David Meece

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This prison has no walls
This bondage has no chains
My memories have no mercy
There's no one left to blame
Wish I could force back
The hands of time
And right every wrong
Grant me just this one last chance
Before it's gone, gone, gone
How could I be so blind as to doubt your love?
How could I go on living without your love?
Seventy times seven
Will you forgive me for all that I've done
Seventy times seven
I'm so afraid of what I've become
For all the promises laid to waste
For all the seeds unsown
For all the justice I never faced
I must now atone
Is there a soul that can't be saved
Is there a heart that has no hope
Is there a peace that can still be made
Please say it's so
How could I be so blind as to doubt your love?
How could I go on living without your love?
Seventy times seven
Will you forgive me for all that I've done
Seventy times seven
I'm so afraid of the man I've become
Seventy times seven
Will you forgive me for all that I've done
Seventy times seven
Your love can save me from what I've become
Seventy times seven

Addicted to Jesus by Carman featuring DC Talk

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Yo, what up fellas?
Hey, have you heard A to J?
I'm talking A to J?
As in are you A to J?
Let me take you to school
Gimme a J
J, you got your J
Give me an E
E, you got your E
Gimme an S U S
S you S, you got your S U S
Boys, what does it spell?
Ah, Jesus, ah, Jesus, break it down
People get addicted to new things everyday
Television, video's, yo what can I say?
Shoppin till they droppin', hoppin' at the mall
Yakin', yakin' on the phone, who else should we call?
But I'll stand with the man who made the blind to see
Livin' large, super charged, He did something in me
Check it out, it's about a total change of mind
Don't wait too late, you may run out of time
Stand tall, stand tall, stand strong, stand strong
Say it loud, sat it loud, say it along
Bust the Devil, up in pieces
Get alive with God
Addicted To Jesus
People they go crazy and don't know when to stop
Running, jogging, exercising, I'm gonna pump you up
Smokin' in the boys room, drink up all the booze
Drug and crack and heart attack and what do you lose
In common sight, crime at night, danger 'round the bend
No way out, yo, it's about being born again
He paid your price, sacrifice, the cross of Calvery
It's done, be one and you can be free
Stand tall, stand tall, stand strong, stand strong
Say it loud, sat it loud, say it along
Bust the Devil, up in pieces
Get alive with God
Addicted To Jesus
I'm addicted, I-I'm addicted
A-a-addicted to Jesus
I'm addicted
A-a-addicted, a-a-addicted to Jesus, yeah
It's Toby time
Addiction, you know everbody's got it
From top to the very bottom of the list
So don't gimme the fist on addiction
You don't wanna miss
To Christ who paid the price
Died on the cross as a sacrifice for our sin
So I'll say it again
Me and my boys are addicted to Him
Praise Him, praise Him, praise Him
Praise Him, praise Him, praise Him
Praise Him, praise Him, praise Him
Praise the Lord with your feet
Praise Him, praise Him, praise Him
Praise Him, praise Him, praise Him
Praise Him, praise Him, praise Him
Praise the Lord with your feet
Rewind, rewind, rewind
Stand tall, stand tall, stand strong, stand strong
Say it loud, sat it loud, say it along
Bust the Devil, up in pieces
Get alive with God
Addicted To Jesus
Stand tall, stand tall, stand strong, stand strong
Say it loud, sat it loud, say it along
Bust the Devil, up in pieces
Get alive with God
Addicted To Jesus
J, Boy you got your J
(Sing it loud, sing it long)
E, you got your E
(What about the SUS?)
SUS yo SUS you saved
What does it spell?
Jesus
What have you got?
Jesus
You're life's with God
Addicted to Jesus
A to J
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If not Catholicism then What?

We were not made to get through life by ourselves. We need something outside of ourselves that steers us away from the rocks of despair on the one hand, and the vanity of egoism on the other. We are complex beings and need an array of safeguards because there is a multitude of ways in which we can fall.

An enemy awaits for every need we have. If we believe only in ourselves, we fall into the abyss of pride; if we believe only in others, we are untrue to ourselves. If we dedicate ourselves only to work, we forfeit the benefits of play; if we dedicate ourselves only to play, we lose sight of life’s meaning. We need a great deal of antidotes so that we do not fall. We must find an equilibrium that protects us from tumbling into the trap of one-sidedness.

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RFK Jr supports Trump

This must hurt, to be "out-synagogued" by a large part of one's family. Group-think is a frightening, powerful force in human persons: God made us in families, in neighborhoods, in cultures and in nations. And He also made us as persons, with reason and with conscience. The Lord told us of the conflicts to come:

It remains to be seen whether and/or how much that passage applies to "Bobby" and the Kennedys; but if he is growing toward greater and greater embrace of Truth, may God be with him!
It remains amazing to me, how persons in the same family can see things so very differently.
One can be very 'red pilled' ... eyes very wide opened to things ... and the other, not.
But this is happening now, in many families.

One of the things that impresses me about RFK Jr. is that he does not hesitate to mention prayer.
He genuinely appears to be a man of prayer.
I've heard him refer to prayer too often, to not believe that he prays.
When people pray, I do think God often does give them greater understanding into things.
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Salvation is 100% God's doing, being lost is 100% our doing

I am coming round firmly to this position. Not out of any shallow, exploitative, desire to carry on sinning, but because of what it cost Jesus to achieve salvation for us. The incentive for good works is surely that Jesus now regards us as brothers and therefore we cooperate in our sanctification with His spirit because we love Him. However I have heard evangelical preachers, unthinkingly perhaps, use the parables of the bridesmaids with oil-less lamps to shake us up a bit. Also used is Jesus warning some people that "I never knew you", even though they had done Christian things.
But I wanted to ask about the statements in the NT which seem to argue for salvation by works. Romans 2:6,7; Revelation 20;12, even Matthew 25;31+
How do you read these? Are they for believers?
I will address only the Romans 2 context. I do not wish to go all over the bible and get in a battle. I will say that I think Revelation 20:12 and Matthew 31:25ff are easier to refute any concept of justification by works. I will choose Romans 2.

NON-PARTIALITY
The context of the statement in 2:6 has a conclusion in 2:11. "For there is no partiality with God." Gods judgement of evil or good has no partially and no favorites. Romans 2:6-11 are articulating that in Gods judgement that there is a principle of non-partiality. God is not partial to unbelievers who suppress the knowledge of God (cf Rm 1:18) and are without excuse (Romans 1:20; 2:1). Neither is God partial to believers who live the lives God regenerated them to live (Rm 2:7, 10, 13). In any case, Romans 2:6 is an OT quote from Psa 62:12. The quote is used as an argument to establish the conclusion found in Romans 2:11 "For there is no partiality with God."

REGENERATION
I would agree that unless one understands the doctrine of regeneration correctly, Romans 2:6 and many other texts can sound like salvation by works. 1 John 2:29 has regeneration in the phrase "born of him." Being "born of him" results in a righteous life (not sinless). 1 John 2:29 "If you know that He is righteous, you know that everyone also who practices righteousness is born of Him." We do works, that is true. Verse 6 is not saying we do works to be saved. It is saying we do works because we are saved and will be rewarded accordingly without impartiality.

JUSTIFICATION
I believe there is a practical righteousness that is the result of regeneration that is displayed in Rm 2:6. I also see imputed righteousness in verses like Romans 4:6. "just as David also speaks of the blessing on the man to whom God credits righteousness apart from works:" However, I do not think this is relevant to Romans 2:6. This is a substitutionary or imputed righteousness in our justification. While both are true (we have a substitutionary righteousness in Christ and a practical righteousness because of regeneration) because of the context in verse 7, and the concept of "perseverance" the statements in verse 6 relate to a practical and personal righteousness (not total sinlessness) that comes from regeneration. The concept of justification is in Romans 3 and 4, but has not yet entered the discussion in Chapter 2.

FINAL COMMENTS ON REGENERATION
Romans 2:27-29 use the term circumcision. This is of course a spiritual circumcision. Paul is drawing very heavily from Deuteronomy 30:6 and many other passages in the OT. It also alludes to the New Covenant of Jeremiah 31:33. Why do we as Gentiles keep the law? It is not by our own power and ability. It is part of a gift God has given believers. Let me quote Jeremiah 31:33... "“But this is the covenant which I will make with the house of Israel after those days,” declares the LORD, “I will put My law within them and on their heart I will write it; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people. Notice where the law is!! We are practically righteous not because we are naturally righteous! We grow in sanctification and practice righteousness because of what God has done inside our hearts. Read verse 33 again! He has placed his law on our hearts. Why do believers lives more righteous and God honoring lives than unbelievers? It is not our work for God!!! It is not our work for salvation!!! It is Gods work in us!!!!!!!! It is his law upon our hearts!

Saved by works... not a chance... works because we are saved... absolutely!
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America is not a nation of immigrants and a lot of people forget that.

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As charlie very insightfully pointed out, the idea America is a nation of immigrants is incorrect. Were a nation of settlers and there is a huge difference between the two.

And that's why we're failing now because immigrants coming here do not integrate or conform to our society like past immigrants do. Now they want America to conform to them and it's dissolving everything that makes America America.
I still think we are a nation of immigrants. It's just a lot of the immigrants don't want to assimilate to our culture (and in some instances, I can understand why). Probably since the beginnings of America, people (and our schools taught) that we are made up of immigrants who came to the United States seeking a better life - the land of opportunity. There are a lot of immigrants who think that way and are extremely thankful for the open arms America has had for them. I'm proud that our country is made up of different nationalities and if we would treat each other more with love and respect, our country would thrive.

We should still have a screening process and tight borders but if someone wants to make a living here, welcome them with open arms. I like listening to Charlie Kirk. He has some very good points about immigration. I think though many European immigrants whose families have been here for generations get worried that the new immigrants want to throw out the Constitution of the United States and put some other form of Constitution in. One way to solve this problem is by voting on a Constitutional Amendment to make the Constitution permanent - never to be taken away. Yes, good amendments can be added but the basis of the original Constitution cannot EVER be changed.

So, love the alien as you do yourself and NEVER allow the original Constitution of the United States of America to be replaced with anything else.

PS: What would we do with the Immigrant Song by Led Zepplin if we stopped calling the people coming into our country immigrants ?
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Francis's Catechesis on Baptism (?)

The CWN email - concerning the Vatican Bulletin here - on Francis's recent Catechesis on Baptism has this:


Jesus is filled with the Holy Spirit ever since the first moment of His incarnation. However, this was a “personal grace”, incommunicable; now, instead, with this anointment, He receives the fullness of the gift of the Spirit, but for His mission which, as the head, He will communicate to His body, which is the Church, and to every one of us.

I am wondering about this part of the teaching, the "However, this was a “personal grace”, incommunicable;..." Any thought on the meaning of this - and what this might mean for the actual Presence of the Spirit sent by the Father and the Son to the Church - in the present era?
I hear him saying that Jesus continues to be the teacher of the Church by virtue of this "personal grace" which is not communicable to human members of the Church. I hear nothing about the promise of Jesus He will send the Holy Spirit to the Church to be Teacher in the Church age, so it is not Jesus Himself Personally continuing as Teacher to us - the Holy Spirit is.

In His last discourse before the Cross Jesus taught:
Jhn 16:7 Nevertheless I tell you the truth: it is to your advantage that I go away, for if I do not go away, the Counselor will not come to you; but if I go, I will send him to you.
Jhn 16:8 And when he comes, he will convince the world concerning sin and righteousness and judgment:
Jhn 16:9 concerning sin, because they do not believe in me;
Jhn 16:10 concerning righteousness, because I go to the Father, and you will see me no more;
Jhn 16:11 concerning judgment, because the ruler of this world is judged.
Jhn 16:12 "I have yet many things to say to you, but you cannot bear them now.
Jhn 16:13 When the Spirit of truth comes, he will guide you into all the truth; for he will not speak on his own authority, but whatever he hears he will speak, and he will declare to you the things that are to come.
Jhn 16:14 He will glorify me, for he will take what is mine and declare it to you.
Jhn 16:15 All that the Father has is mine; therefore I said that he will take what is mine and declare it to you.


Jhn 16:28 I came from the Father and have come into the world; again, I am leaving the world and going to the Father."

And in His Prayer to the Father:

Jhn 17:12 While I was with them, I kept them in thy name, which thou hast given me; I have guarded them, and none of them is lost but the son of perdition, that the scripture might be fulfilled.
Jhn 17:13 But now I am coming to thee; and these things I speak in the world, that they may have my joy fulfilled in themselves.
Jhn 17:14 I have given them thy word; and the world has hated them because they are not of the world, even as I am not of the world.
Jhn 17:15 I do not pray that thou shouldst take them out of the world, but that thou shouldst keep them from the evil one.

So in the Pope's teaching, what happened to the Paraclete, Counselor, the Holy Spirit? That's my concern.
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Evolution (theistic other) debunked


This is a movie where a student visits a natural history museum. She questions the Docent who is explaining the supposed evolution of man from apes. It's a fascinating insight into the lengths to which evolutionists will go to push their claims. Evolutionists should not watch this. Darwin's house of cards is torn down with truth and facts.
of course, the video is biased as it's a dramatization and goal-driven to refute evolution so it's no surprise it reaches it's goal. A similar video could be made from the evolutionist side with a different perspective with all the hesitations from the student, and be as equally convincing but laying doubt on creationism. The challenges from student to docent can certainly be warranted but in a scientific vacuum the conclusions are not going to be human evolution is false, but rather the collected evidence isn't conclusive. instead, skulls like Lucy show an example of an evolutionary outcome even if lucy was not a part of that history, science can be fine with this because of the strong evidence of evolution on a broader scale which is inferred over humans and evidence is sought after to fill in the gaps. This may produce flawed results but it doesn't mean the theory of evolution itself is flawed.

It is important however to call out unsupported or false claims, if lucy is one of them then indeed call it out, but erasing a chalkboard of evidence doesn't refute evolution, it just disqualifies the presented evidence as a part of that history. We could be tempted to point to a literal biblical account as the answer, but, the biblical account would have to go under the same scientific scrutiny and would also break down as unsupported. Imagine a similar video at a bible college with a professor teaching creation using Gen 1 and a student refuted each claim based on scientific scrutiny. The results may conclude creation is false and then implicitly evolution is real but what it actually has done is just show the creation account breaks down under scientific scrutiny and nothing else.

so in the end you might get 2 empty chalkboards, one for the evidence for the human evolutionary chain and the other for creationism. and both may not be supported by scientific scrutiny. This doesn't assume one over the other, it means we don't have good support for either. The creationist will continue to fill in the gaps with their imagination and the evolutionist will do the same with their imagination.
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The 6th Seal

Here's an interesting thought. When the 6th seal is opened, one of the events John records being the stars falling to the earth like rippened figs, could this actually be the thousands of satellites in our lower orbit, including the over 6000 satellites in Elon Musk's StarLink system? John didn't know then that the closest actual star to earth is over 93 million miles away? Something to ponder for sure.
Its a double meaning, an Asteroid making impact (the word used for star is aster) and Satan and his angels being cast out of haven, we know both happens on day 1260 of the 70th week. The Asteroid will hit via Revelation 8, not Rev. 6 which is pointing towards Rev. 8s asteroid event.

Notice the Fourth Trump matches the 6th Seal, thats because the Seals. just like Joel 2:31 prophesy about what the Asteroid's Impact will bring, fire, Darkness etc. etc. That is because the impact and its breaking apart will burn 1/3 of the world (The New World IMHO). And all tht smoke will dim out the Sun and Moon by 1/3 and the blood red moon will come from the fires reflective red hue, the moon will not actually turn red per se.
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Is God's love unconditional?

Is God's love unconditional?

That's a matter of definition. The Bible does not use the term "unconditional love".

John 3:

16 For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.
God's love is unconditional; it is open to anyone who wants it and extends to the unlovable.

After that, God's love is conditional in that to remain in his love, you have to remain in Christ.

John 15:

10 If you keep my commands, you will remain in my love, just as I have kept my Father’s commands and remain in his love.
God's love may be unconditional. Salvation is not unconditional.

God loves everyone, but does everyone love him back?

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