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How did the Xia people in China build up the population so quickly after the flood?

Biblehub suggested that Noah's flood happened before 2500 BCE.

Let's say 2700 BCE.

Xia dynasty time estimates:


Let's take the modern estimate of 1700 BCE.

Population estimates:



Let's take the modern estimate of 2 million.

Noah's descendants had 1000 years to build up 2.1 million Chinese people in the Xia dynasty.
Ah yes, the third millennium BC (Backwards Counting) - what eminent Egyptologist Kenneth Kitchen has described as murky history. So I'll wander into the murky fog ...

Suppose the Flood occurred in the early 3000s BC - maybe 3100 BC. And to round off the numbers, recorded Chinese history begins around 2000 BC (though I am inclined toward 2205 BC). As you guessed, that's about a millennium. In ancient times, people had children at a younger age - say 20 years. Then that is 1000/20 = 50 generations. How many children per generation are required? (It is the same kind of math formula as business calculation of compound interest.) Then
x^50 = 2.1 x 10^6 => x = 1.338 children per generation​
This assumes perfect replacement, but people die in childhood or have no children or are killed before they do, so it is an ideal number, though a number like 2 or 3 is entirely likely. And children are not all born at a parental age of 20, but it is not an unreasonable average guess (so I suppose). So yes, it is possible.​
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Half of US clergy backs Trump — with only 23% backing Harris: survey

That's odd. I regularly hear whinging on this very site about how few "so-called" (as they are often tagged) Christians go to church regularly, or have a "Biblical worldview", or Catholics about the large number of their fellows that don't follow the Church's teachings on birth control or abortion.

Don't think "listening to clergy" on politics is super high in the pews.
Some people have their own views and don’t accept what religion tells them. Not shocking by any means.
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Chicago schools told teachers to give migrant students passing grades, ignore performance: report

It's a difficult problem for a school system that doesn't have enough bilingual teachers. But I believe with a little creativity it will get solved.
I'm glad they aren't holding these children back and allowing them to move forward. If the past is any example migrant children quickly catch on to a new language and catch up to their peers. In fact, at home, they often become the teacher teaching their parents the new language to both speak and write it.
I agree to a certain extent.

If you come to our country, you must learn our language. Period. That’s the only way someone can communicate and thrive.

My opinion only.
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The Secret Place of the Most High

The scriptures do speak of the "sides of the north," in Psalm 48:2, "Mount Zion, the sides of the north," and Isaiah 14:13 when "Lucifer", that is, Halel Ben Shohar, says he will exalt his throne above the stars of God, sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north .
And we know he was cast out, and became Satan.

The scriptures mention the north quite a lot & I don't think that the anagram of north is coincidental either;

North = throne without the e
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Court rules nearly 98,000 Arizonans whose citizenship hadn't been confirmed can vote the full ballot

these are not non-citizens. They are people who registered before the State required verification. There's no reason to think they are non-citizens. They've taken an oath that they are. The State was supposed to verify people who had registered before the requirement, but a paperwork error caused them not to be checked. The law specifies processes for dealing with unverified voters, which requires giving them notice so they can supply verification. There isn't time to do that before the election. The State Supreme Court said that the law doesn't allow them to be dropped without following the process.

The US Supreme Court had already made the same decision for Federal elections, so without this decision these people would have voted only in Federal contests.

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If anyone cares. more are registered Republican than Democrat.
The woke approach to crime doesn't work--Kamala has shown that. The Biden/Harris administration has lost track of approximately 325,000 minors. No one knows the total number of those who are human trafficked. The older trafficked children and adults could be coerced into voting by their cartel masters--a signature is not going to stop them.
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What Was the Babylonian Exile and Why Should I Care?

I believe a number of the Old Testament texts were written during and after the Babylonian exile.

Because the Jews were forced to rethink their role after the destruction of the temple and the bitterness of the exile, I get the sense the exile meant they had to consider where their real identity lay.

Was it to be a national identity or was it as the people of God?

Since Christ has come, one could say they've achieved their purpose in God's eyes.
I agree.
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Will there be few or many people who inherit eternal life?

Jesus did not give an absolute number of people who would go to heaven.
Jesus said few and many. Zechariah 13:8 says one third. “It will come about in all the land,” Declares the LORD, “Two parts in it will be cut off and perish, But the third will be left alive."
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Iran's Jesus Revolution: Mosques Close as 1 Million Muslims Accept Christ

I pray the Gospel spreads to all Iranians with repentance for all and bloodshed to none.

On a side note, Iranians have always been complicated and of various views. The Islamic Revolution in 1979 had been simmering for years and was probably sustained by agitation. The last phase was abrupt and chaotic perpetrated by Islamic extremist terrorists in the downfall of the not universally loved or hated kingdom of the Shah. There was a movie theater burned down by radical Islamic terrorists that killed hundreds and led to mass protests through agitation and chaos.

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Release International Prayer Shields, India

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21 September 2024 – India​

Pray for all those who are standing up for the civil liberties of all Indians and not just the Hindu majority. May God give them courage, protection and wisdom and amplify their voice.
YES - I will Pray
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20 September 2024 – India​

Pray for Indians receiving Bibles in their own languages through our partner. Pray for protection for those printing and distributing these copies, and that God will make his truth known to all who read them.
YES - I will Pray
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19 September 2024 – India​

Pray for the thousands of Christians displaced from Manipur who have had to start life again, learn new languages and find new schools and jobs. Pray that they will be made welcome and can access the services they need.
YES - I will Pray
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18 September 2024 – India​

Pray for peace in Manipur and across India’s north-eastern region and borders with war-torn Myanmar. Pray that security forces will act with integrity to protect all Indians, including Christians and other minorities.
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17 September 2024 – India​

Pray for the more than 130 pastors in Uttar Pradesh who have been jailed for their faith, on flimsy charges, and are being held pre-trial without bail. Pray that their cases will be heard soon and they will be acquitted.
YES - I will Pray
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16 September 2024 – India​

Pray that India’s Supreme Court will strike down unconstitutional new laws in several states which ban prayer for healing, evangelism or even meeting together to pray or worship.
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15 September 2024 – India​

Pray for our partner organisation as it provides legal and medical support to pastors across India who are being arrested and beaten simply for sharing the gospel.
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Revival

How come Wicca, witchcraft, paganism, occultism etc. are all making a massive revival?

Even in my lifetime the numbers of people taking up these practices seems to have exploded.. even while Christianity seems to have an overall decline... Why?

IMO, it is the cancer of radical individualism. Making yourself God. Serving yourself and your own self-interests. It is a selfishness that America has propagated for some time starting with the 60s and the sexual revolution all saying, "Be free! Be yourself! Let nothing hider your rights!"
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#36 in Christian persecution, Bhutan

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Despite statements from the Bhutanese government declaring that religious organisations do not need to register, it remains difficult to worship with other believers in Bhutan. No churches have official recognition by the Bhutanese government, which means that technically, all Christian worship communities are illegal.
All citizens of Bhutan are expected to follow Buddhism, the state religion. Anyone who converts to Christianity will be watched with suspicion – and their surrounding community, local Buddhist leaders and family will likely try to bring them back to their former religion. Evangelical and Pentecostal communities are at risk for surveillance and raids by authorities.
Local leaders may refuse to issue Christians the needed paperwork to do basic things like apply for loans, register property, apply for jobs and renew ID cards. Additionally, the Christian community is also denied citizenship, which negatively impacts believers’ ability to conduct business, own real estate or receive higher education. Christians are also forced to follow Buddhist rituals as part of paramilitary training.
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Meet James Sherpa​

“[In the seminar by Open Doors partners,] I learned that we need to be faithful, trustworthy and true like Timothy. I learned that we should glorify God with our lives and that we need to accept persecution because it’s inevitable in our life. Thank you for equipping us.”
James Sherpa (name changed), a young Christian from Bhutan.

What does Open Doors do to help?​

Open Doors works through local partners to strengthen persecuted Christians in Bhutan through prayer support and other practical aid.

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The Republican Governor of Ohio, Doesn't Recognize the Springfield that Trump and Vance Describe

Objective reality.
In order for a perception to be objective it would have to be entirely devoid of any perspective. For a human, that is not possible because it is the human mind that perceives, and the mind IS a perspective. The mind is a subjective perspective.
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