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The Liturgist · 2025-10-08T08:29:32-0500

FireDragon76 said:
and a priesthood

We’ve got to be very careful when using the word priesthood in the context of the Hebraic temples. The Hebrew word Kohanim corresponds to the Greek word hierus, which should not have been translated into the Bible as priest, but it was, however, we have to remember priest actually is an Anglicization of presbyter (just like “prester”, an archaic one associated with the legendary figure of “Prester John), which means Elder. Thus when the word priest is used in a Christian context in the English speaking world we suffer from undue confusion because of this dual use, in that people regard the title as impinging upon the Hierarchical dignity of Christ our True God, or the hieratic nature of all believers who are each a royal hierus, but not everyone is a presbyter, which is an office that like that of episkopos, has specific meanings (and the two words appear to have been used somewhat interchangeably in some parts of the New Testament, but were clearly affixed to their modern meaning by the time of St. Ignatius of Antioch).

Hentenza · 2025-10-08T08:28:57-0500

d taylor said:
These rockets only go about 8 miles high, about the height of Clouds

Nonesense.

Hentenza · 2025-10-08T08:27:37-0500

Apple Sky said:
@David Lamb & @prodromos

Okay so we now know why a rocket arches so what I would like to know how the rockets gets through the Van Allen Belts ??

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Thought we solved this problem in 1969

The Van Allen belts posed no problem for traveling through them. Speed and shielding took care of the “problem”. Move on. Nothing to see here.

NxNW · 2025-10-08T08:27:22-0500

rjs330 said:
No, they are literally doing their job. Trump is asking them to do their job. Did you somehow believe that ICE isnt supposed to pick up illegals?

They're not supposed to attack US citizens, or shoot tear gas into press vehicles, or make fake 911 calls that waste resources and put citizens in danger. They're doing all these things, which has earned the scorn that's being thrown at them.

Always in His Presence · 2025-10-08T08:25:41-0500

Over the last 15 years Democratic Senators, including Schumer, has spoken very strongly AGAINST shutting the government down as a political tactic to get an agenda accomplished.

They all supported and voted for clean CR’s

Why the complete opposite?

bbbbbbb · 2025-10-08T08:25:02-0500

zoidar said:
Not really ... the atonement is unlimited, the price was paid for all, but the effect on the individuals is limited. It's like all the doors to the jail are open (because of the atonement), yet some prisoners still chooses to stay in jail, so the doors being unlocked don't help them.

Yes, the atonement (aka the benefits accrued from the atonement) is, indeed, limited from your model. Simply put, the atonement becomes utterly meaningless for those who choose not to avail themselves of it. For all intents and purposes, the atonement might as well never happened at all for these individuals. They limit the atonement, putting themselves in the category of the synergistic model.

Dan1988 · 2025-10-08T08:23:40-0500

Jipsah said:
Then none of us is guilty of anything.

And neither decision can be said to have been made "of your own free will". I

Then we all do what we were designed/destined to do. Cool!

Which happens whenever God's will dictates

Kinda like saying that a software developer doesn't tolerate wehen his software does something he didn't tell it to do. But then his code can't do anything he doesn't tell it to do.

Cool, then we needn't worry about anything. Pure determinism, and nothing at all for which we can be either praised or blamed.
Everything is equally pointless. I think I'll have another beer. Come On You Lions!

The Bible tells us that we all inherited a carnal sin nature from Adam, so we are sinners by nature. God doesn't cause anyone to sin, sinners sin because they're sinners.
The other problem sinners have is, they are absolutely powerless to change their state. They're actually dead in sin, and they remain dead in sin for all eternity, (that's not antihalation of cessation of existence), unless God quickens them to life and they are born again with a new Spirit.

Nobody has the power to change who they are, they may fool someone by hiding their nature, but it's doesn't take long before their ugly sin nature is exposed.

This "free will" or "free choice" theory is an illusion, just look at any unbeliever's lifestyle and you will see that they are enslaved and dominated by their sin nature, which they work hard to feed and try to satisfy, but it's never satisfied and it keeps crying out for more all the time.

Then if you look at a believers life, you find the person is actually free in Christ. They're not burdened with sinful pursuits, which take all of their time and money and energy. Believers don't worry or stress about anything because God has everything under full control.

You've heard the saying "there's no rest for the wicked". They can never truly rest because Satan is a hard task Master, an their sin nature demand everything. The sinner would never choose to serve Him and their own lust if they really had a free choice or free will

stevevw · 2025-10-08T08:23:09-0500

Up until 5 minutes ago praying and helping those affected by trans and sexual orientation or any issues in life for that matter could go see a priest or be prayed for by their church. Its what Christians have done for 2000 years lol.

If this is really about the right to live your beliefs then Christians and churches have just as much right to express and practice their beliefs. Even if that is percieved as promoting the Christian belief. Because this same right is given to all including the LGBTQ+ community.

The problem comes when the State has to act as the aribitor when these rights clash. But the State should not take sides.

But also I think mainstream medical has become indoctrinated into the ideology. The science and facts are twisted to fit the ideology to be politically correct. People don't get all the information and facts and false narratives are pushed.

This is about ideological beliefs and not the science.

Jerry N. · 2025-10-08T08:22:15-0500

I am not Catholic but live in a very Catholic community. Baptisms, funerals, and weddings, cost a lot of money, but people complain that the fees asked by the priests are too high and do not always take into account the condition to the person who has to pay. I’m sure it is not always the case, but it is a common complaint.

BCP1928 · 2025-10-08T08:22:05-0500

rjs330 said:
No, they are literally doing their job. Trump is asking them to do their job. Did you somehow believe that ICE isnt supposed to pick up illegals?

They never have done a very good job at it and have a poor reputation with local LEOs, But yes, that's their job. What Trump wants them to do is called trolling.

rjs330 said:
Yes, never said otherwise.

They have earned the respect doing their job. What people.are doing is showing disrespect BECAUSE they are doing their job. It shows very poor character to disrespect someone who is doing their job. The agents have earned the respect by doing what they are supposed to be doing. Just because you and others dont want them to do their job or don't like that they are doing certain aspects of their job, doesn't mean you should disrespect them. Its bad character.

I don't disrespect them, I just never respected them to start with.

NxNW · 2025-10-08T08:21:47-0500

rjs330 said:
How do we know it was a fake call? Did the agent admit to making a fake call?

Clearly we need investigations and arrests.

rjs330 said:
How do we know that a perpetrator didnt dlee before cops arrived?

Perpetrator of what?

Always in His Presence · 2025-10-08T08:21:29-0500

Dan Perez said:
And I means that. I would explain. what I. see what 1 Cor 10:2 means and you can see how I see that verse , is what

I mean and. nothing more ??

dan p

The verse has absolutely nothing to do with the baptism of the Holy Spirit.

bbbbbbb · 2025-10-08T08:21:23-0500

FredVB said:
That is not what was being shown, though. The passage says the Sabbath is holy, your perspective is that it is not so much the fact that the Sabbath is holy. I see the conflict between those things. It would just be one of the other. Why should the passage of what Yahweh God said be disregarded for this perspective? But I am talking about the day of rest, rather than congregating, though I have no objection to the congregating. At this point though because of my vulnerability I avoid going to crowded circumstances, and this will be the case whether it Sunday or Saturday.

Thank you. My perspective aligns closely with yours. My only problem comes from those who set themselves up as judges in the matter when Paul made it clear that we are not to judge another's conscience regarding eating food or observing the Sabbath. God alone is our judge.

RDKirk · 2025-10-08T08:19:09-0500

A2SG said:
Yes, I am generalizing, because I believe a complete overhaul of the entire health care system is necessary to help address the particular issues you cite.

That's going to require a complete overhaul of the current American way of life.

Hentenza · 2025-10-08T08:18:23-0500

Guojing said:
So even though Genesis 17:14 literally says you will be cut off if you are not physically circumcised, you do not agree because you think salvation was always by faith without works?

Alright then.

I guess you can make the argument that excluded from his/her community meant excluded from salvation but then you would be arguing that salvation is by works and that is not biblical. Scriptures are clear that Abraham was saved by his faith not by his works.

The Abrahamic covenant is a foreshadow of the law which would come 430 years later. The requirement of every male being circumcised continued. Paul explains below that one is not circumcised but keeps the law should be regarded as circumcised and his praised is not from his people but from God. So circumcision mandated and not done but obedience to God counts just as good or better.

“For indeed circumcision is of value if you practice the Law; but if you are a violator of the Law, your circumcision has turned into uncircumcision. So if the uncircumcised man keeps the requirements of the Law, will his uncircumcision not be regarded as circumcision? And he who is physically uncircumcised, if he keeps the Law, will he not judge you who though having the letter of the Law and circumcision are a violator of the Law? For he is not a Jew who is one outwardly, nor is circumcision that which is outward in the flesh. But he is a Jew who is one inwardly; and circumcision is of the heart, by the Spirit, not by the letter; and his praise is not from people, but from God.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭2‬:‭25‬-‭29‬ ‭NASB2020‬‬

Romans 2:25-29 For indeed circumcision is of value if you practice the Law; but if you are a violator of the Law, your circumcision has turned into uncircumcision. So if the uncircumcised man keeps the requirements | New American Standard Bible - NA

For indeed circumcision is of value if you practice the Law; but if you are a violator of the Law, your circumcision has turned into uncircumcision. So if the uncircumcised man keeps the requirements

bible.com

bbbbbbb · 2025-10-08T08:18:22-0500

bbbbbbb · 2025-10-08T08:17:07-0500

fli said:
God only grants repentance once. Yes, if they fall away, they cannot come back. Adam called God a liar when he believed Satan. The person repented of the original sin, then turned around and did it again.

Thank you!

Kathleen30 · 2025-10-08T08:16:06-0500

David Lamb said:
I have never watched that video. It is one of the multitude that Apple Sky has mentioned in her attempts to prove that the moon landings didn't happen.

Dave it’s a most interesting video it concerns a NASA reel accidentally no doubt given to a researcher by mistake which shows clearly the astronauts faking that they are some 130 thousand miles out in deep space when they are still in earths orbit. Why even fake such shots if you are supposedly on the way to the moon. Plenty of time to film the occasion when you be in deep space. As to Apple she does have the right to express her thoughts. The video is called ( A funny thing happened on the way to the moon ) . Not a strange thing happened on the way to the moon as me wrote prior . You do find the evidence at the 32nd minute mark if you choose not to watch the full video. Yours Kathleen.

Paidiske · 2025-10-08T08:14:08-0500

Let's not forget that preventative healthcare includes basic things like vaccination (the polio vaccine costs nothing compared to a lifetime of treating someone crippled by polio, for example), early screening for cancer, and other forms of basic screening programmes (many of them aligned with good antenatal care). As I understand it, Americans without health insurance (or adequate health insurance) might not have good access to any of those things.

BCP1928 · 2025-10-08T08:13:56-0500

stevevw said:
Then what do you use to measure the precision at the micron level to ensure it is on line or within the tolerances.

An appropriate measuring device. Maybe you should learn about them and determine which ones might have been available to ancient Egyptian craftsmen.

stevevw said:
No its impossible for all humans. If you want to suggest that ancients had some magical sensory perception that allowed them to see beyond normal human vision. That thats ok but its just as far fetched as ancients having sophisticated lathing like modern tech in a time that did not even have the potters wheel.

What did you use to ensure the +/- 0.0001 precision. Which itself seems silly without machining with a set cutter. You have to cut or grind then measure. Cut and grind and rub then measure. Repeat, repeat, repeat, repeat ect ect ect until you reach that percision.

Now you're beginning to catch on.

stevevw said:
Whereas a set lathe with a fixed and stable cutter could achieve the precision by setting the cutters to the right precision without all that hassel. Besides like I said what are you using to measure this micron precision. Do you have special magnifying glasses lol.

Because usually near perfect symmetry is set on the lathe beforehand and then cuts the precise line or depths evenly to take a layer off the vase.

Why are you denying the ancients had some sort of knowledge and tech that allowed them to make magnificant precision works like we do today.

Because they didn't have it, they had to do without.

stevevw said:
YOu are yourself denying their craft by suggesting they use tools like measures and grinders and not their bear hands.

That's a bare-face lie and you know it.

stevevw said:
I am just extending that same logic and saying if simple tools help the craft do a better job than bear hands and naked eyes. Then better more tech tools will help even better in achieving a higher standard.

Yes thats all I am saying lol. You are agreeing and yet you want to get morally outraged at me for denting ancient craftsman. When you agree with this simple reality and logic. IT doesn't take away from the craft no more than modern art using circular saws, engineering and other tech takes away from art. There is art and there is tech. These are diferent.

Your supporting my point by saying that if we measure as we go we achieve more precision. What is allowing the measuring. A tool, a piece of tech and not the naked eyes or feel. Its not the freehand art but an injection of technical knowhow.

All part of the craft of using hand tools, then and now.

stevevw said:
The same logic applies to more advanced tech. If a simple measuring tool helps achieve better precision. Then a more advanced tool such as a lathe that is designed to cut the measure you want in the first place. Rather than measuring as you go.

Same logic just extending and advancing the use of that tech to match the signatres in the vases. Most people have already acknowledge a lathe must have been used.

So why not the next logical step that the more precise the vase is the more better the lathing is. The more advanced the lathing is. To the point where tests show its on par and even better than modern CNC machining.

Lol your doing the same. I am just using the same logic.

No, I don't see any logic. What I do see is a dishonest attempt to win an argument by constantly shifting your assertions about what constitutes "tech."

Brightfame52 · 2025-10-08T08:13:00-0500

fhansen said:
I agree, we cannot possibly be saved unless we’re drawn. Our difference lies in whether or not a person can refuse to be drawn, or can turn and walk back away after being drawn.

No they can't refuse regeneration, it occurred while they were dead.

zoidar · 2025-10-08T08:09:57-0500

bbbbbbb said:
As I just posted in the Limited Vs. Unlimited Thread -

The simple reality is that all Christians believe in limited atonement unless they believe in universal salvation for all mankind, in which case, they would not be welcome on this board.

...

Not really ... the atonement is unlimited, the price was paid for all, but the effect on the individuals is limited. It's like all the doors to the jail are open (because of the atonement), yet some prisoners still chooses to stay in jail, so the doors being unlocked don't help them.

seeking.IAM · 2025-10-08T08:09:44-0500

Delvianna said:
We.... are a mess.... How can we spread the gospel when we can't even agree on the basics!?

Can we even agree those are the basics?

Jerry N. · 2025-10-08T08:09:31-0500

Two Jewish scholars were having a very heated argument. They were actually very aggressive. Then one said that it was time to say the Shema. They stopped the argument and respectfully recited the Shema together. Unity among Christians comes with common focus on the task at hand. If Christians are feeding the poor, helping the sick, and living the gospel, the differences in doctrines are put in their proper place. Discussing doctrine can be good, but unity is in doing the work of the body of Christ.

pc_home · 2025-10-08T08:08:53-0500

In the 8th century BC, under war in heaven of Venus (the ancient Greek goddess „Athene Pallas“), the planet Mars („Ares“) approached the Earth. Then people clearly saw both satellites – the „horses“ pulling the war chariot of Mars: - „Phobos“ („Fear“, or „Rout“) and „Deimos“ („Horror“); and the Moon (the ancient Greek goddess of discord – „Eris“, or „Discord“), which fatally approached Mars. Sparks of heavenly fire, like soldiers, came out of the body of one of the „horses“ of Mars, entered the city and completely burned the site of ancient Troy to ashes. That under the imagery of this „strong angel“ (see Revelation 10: 1,2 NASB) who steps on the Sea and on the Earth, hides the Moon, displaced from its usual orbit, blood-red and brightly shining, like the sun, as if it were written in the work „Iliad“ by Homer: - „… for they had not all like speech or one language, but their tongues were mingled, and they were a folk summoned from many lands. These were urged on by Ares, and the Greeks by flashing-eyed Athene, and Terror, and Rout, and Discord that rageth incessantly, sister and comrade of man-slaying Ares; she at the first rears her crest but little, yet thereafter planteth her head in heaven, while her feet tread on earth.“ (see the book „The Iliad“, Homer, English Translation by Augustus Taber Murray, Publisher: Harvard University Press, Cambridge, MA, USA, 1924, Book 4, Lines 438-444)

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