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PTW · 2025-11-19T17:53:43-0600

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Hentenza · 2025-11-19T17:50:48-0600

HIM said:
Praise God! Glad to hear it!

Hey there, What you might be forgetting here is in Paul's explanation of the Gospel to all who be in Rome that he says, that by the Law is the knowledge of sin in 3:23 and that he would not have known sin but by the Law 7:7. These are spoken of in the present and historic present tense respectively. He also says in Romans 7 that he delights in the Law of God in his explanation of the law, the one that is the power sin has over him working all manner of concupiscence incapacitating from doing the good that he would in his members. As Jesus said he that commits sin as a slave to it. John 8

And in His speaking of this law of sin and the consequences of it, death he shares that we been set free from it through the Spirit of the Life in Christ Jesus that the righteousness of the Law, the law of God in which he delights to be fulfilled in us who walk after the Spirit of the Life in Christ Jesus.

Mat 5:17? Is that what you are referring to when you say, "But since the law has been fulfilled"?

If so then we have the rest of the sermon to deal with. As a matter of fact Jesus continues and says immediately that are righteousness must exceed the righteousness of the pharisees. And that anyone who teaches or breaks one of the least of these commandments they shalll be called least in the Kingdom of Heaven All this said right after He states that not one jot or tittle pass from the Law until all has been fulfilled.

All has not been fulfilled friend.

How do we know? Because He has not returned to establish the New Heaven and New earth. Couple that with what is here in regard to Romans. And 1 Tim 1:8-10 where Paul also says the Law is for the sinner and one must come up with a different conclusion that you are putting forward here.

I guess I wasn’t clear enough in my last post. What I posted is essentially Paul’s argument from chapter 3 to chapter 4. It relates to the intention of the law and the result of the law with regards to sin. I’m going to try to make it a little clearer.

Several passages of Scripture clearly establish that the coming of Christ has brought an end to the Mosaic Law.

Romans 10:4, “Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes.”

Christ fulfilled the Ten Commandments by living a perfect and sinless life and so when man trusts in Christ as his Savior, Christ’s righteousness is imputed to that individual so we have justification (Romans 4) resulting in the fact that the Law can’t condemn us (Romans 4:4-8; 5:1, 7:1-6, 8:1).

Christ fulfilled the ceremonial ordinances, the shadows and types of His person and work, by dying on the cross for us and in our place.

Christ also fulfilled the Social Law, but now He replaces it with a new way of life fitting to our new salvation.

The believer now is under God’s new law, the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus (Romans 8:2-4).

Therefore, the doctrine of justification by means of faith in Jesus Christ upholds the Law for three reasons:

(1) Jesus Christ’s death on the Cross satisfied the demands of God’s Law that required that human sin be judged (Romans 3:26).

(2) Jesus Christ’s death on the Cross establishes the Law by fulfilling the purpose of the Law in driving men to Jesus Christ as their Savior (Galatians 3:24).

(3) Jesus Christ’s death on the Cross establishes the Law by providing believers the capacity to obey the Law through the ministry of the Holy Spirit (Romans 8:3-4).

This is why I stated in my last post that the Holy Spirit gives us the knowledge of sin and the way to repentance since the law is not able to. This is why there is no longer condemnation for those in Christ (Rom. 8:1).

DragonFox91 · 2025-11-19T17:46:45-0600

Trophonius said:
I've been struggling with the same too. Sometimes I think of leaving the christian faith altogether non religious people seem to be less alone...

Don't leave! You won't like that either. Jesus says it'll be lonely as a Christian.

.Mikha'el. said:
Wow. I've never had a plasma donation go that fast in my life.

Is that bad?
Do you donate plasma often?

prodromos · 2025-11-19T17:41:27-0600

Apple Sky said:
I shall have to go over your post more to get the gist of it, as at the mo it just sounds gobbledygook to me.
How ever I appreciate you trying to explain it too me.

The easiest thing to do is look at the flight path on your flat earth map. Sydney to Santiago literally flies directly over Los Angeles on its way, so the flight should be way longer than Sydney to Los Angeles, yet it takes less time to fly Sydney to Santiago than it does to fly Sydney to Los Angeles.

Thus, flat earth does not match reality whereas globe earth matches perfectly.

Colo Millz · 2025-11-19T17:39:12-0600

The Bible is filled with direct commands and choices, which only make sense if the recipient is capable of selecting between alternatives.

"I have set before you life and death, blessings and curses. Now choose life...'

Always in His Presence · 2025-11-19T17:36:47-0600

University of Wisconsin Police investigating stickers promoting violence against ICE

The University of Wisconsin-Madison Police are investigating stickers that appeared on campus encouraging violence against federal immigration agents.

Republicans are pointing to the imagery as another example of the hostile climate conservatives face on college campuses.

Always in His Presence · 2025-11-19T17:32:58-0600

rambot said:
Have they set a depostion date for Trump yet on this matter?

Are there other people they have still yet to depose?

you should open a thread on the new topic - this one is clearly about Clinton

RDKirk · 2025-11-19T17:32:32-0600

CoreyD said:
Did God create his intelligent children with free will?
Though many whether religious or non religious claim not, and argue against this, the answer is clearly yes.

What is the proof?
There are a number of scriptures, but let's start with John 8:44

Starting with God's heavenly children - the spirit creation, called angels, the Bible says of the one called Devil and Satan... When he lies, he speaks out of his own character. That is... pertaining to self, or of his own.
The disciple James uses this term in this way...

James 1:14

Jesus thus makes clear that the angel that became Satan the Devil, acts according to his own will, or desire.
Jesus further states in the same verse, John 8:44... "your will is to do your father’s desires".
Humans too, have their own will, which is in opposition to the father.

Can sin be blamed for the will of intelligent creatures?
Jesus said, the one called Devil and Satan, "was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth, because there is no truth in him".
So, no, this was a deliberate opposing of the truth. Hence, the name Satan.

It's also important to note that this angel .... in fact all of the angels... none are born in sin and shaped in iniquity.
So, sin cannot be claimed as a hinderance to free will. Nor can it be claimed that they have to give in to wrong desires.
The angels make their own decisions to do what the want. Genesis 6:2
Proof that the angels - God's heavenly children, do have free will.

Regarding humans, the same apply.
In saying that their will is to do Satan's desire, what was Jesus pointing out? They were acting on their own will. Not anyone else's.
That humans have free will is made clear in other scriptures.

1 Timothy 2:14

The Bible says Adam was not deceived.
Thus Adam acted on his own free will.
The verse says, Eve became a sinner, only after acting on her desire.
Adam and Eve were free willed agents... not driven by sin, but making free willed decisions.
Proof that humans... God's earthly children were created with free will.

Did sin somehow cancel out free will.
In the imagination of many, that is the case.
However, the Bible does not say that after sin came into the world through one man, that free will became obsolete.
Rather, the scriptures refer to man's free will, repeatedly.
Leviticus 1:3; 1 Corinthians 9:16-18 Deuteronomy 30:19; 2 Corinthians 9:7; Philemon 1:14

The Greek word hekousios - meaning free will, is the neuter of a derivative from hekon; voluntariness -- willingly, which is (an adjective, a primitive term) – properly, willing; "unforced, of one's own will, voluntary" (J. Thayer), i.e. acting on one's own accord. The root (hek-) emphasizes intentional, deliberate action (choice), i.e. "of free-will" (J. Thayer).

While humans undeniably possess will--the capacity to make intentional choices--we do not possess "free will" in the strict sense, nor does scripture assert or even imply that we do.

True free will requires the ability of one moral agent to make moral choices without coercion, constraints, or consequences imposed by another moral agent. Anything short of that is not "free will," but "volitional agency."

In scripture, God (the ultimate moral agent) establishes both the moral law and the consequences of obedience or disobedience, limiting human choice. Scripture consistently depicts human choice as constrained, conditioned, and accountable to God’s commands. Therefore, humans have volitional agency but not free will, because all moral decisions occur within the framework of divine authority and consequence.

Konnie King · 2025-11-19T17:25:11-0600

The Emperor;s New School

Colo Millz · 2025-11-19T17:24:18-0600

bob121 said:
Hey Colo Millz, Kiwi in Tokyo here—years of chronic pain have made Phil 3:10 my lifeline. When I choose to unite the ache to Christ’s, it stops feeling pointless and becomes partnership: purging pride, deepening compassion, and reminding me the nails weren’t the worst part—bearing our sin was (Luke 22:44). Biblical, provided we remember our pain participates in, never completes, His finished work (Col 1:24; Rom 8:18). Thanks for putting biblical meat on a hard reality—fellow-partakers, not the punished. Grace to you.

My dear brother/sister in Christ blessing from God be to you. TYVM

Bro.T · 2025-11-19T17:13:18-0600

Dan Perez said:
And how will you explain how anyone can be saved by the NEW COVENANT TODAY ??

And explain Heb 9:18. !!

And when. do you believe the BLOOD of Christ BEGAN. to saved anyone ??

dan p

Jesus brought grace when he came in the flesh, but example of grace was in the days of Noah. But Noah found grace in the eyes of the LORD. (Genesis 6:8), And Noah and his family was saved. Not save from eternal life, but saved from the flood. This is why Jesus had to come. Paul says in Hebrews 9: 24 For Christ is not entered into the holy places made with hands, which are the figures of the true; but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us: 26 for then must he often have suffered since the foundation of the world: but now once in the end of the world hath he appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself.

Now Paul said in (Rom. 3:23-25) (v.23) For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God. (v.24) Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:

(v.25) Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God.

So the bible tells you to repent and be baptized in the name of Jesus for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost." (Acts 2 :36-38). And by doing so you come up under his precious blood and then you are saved from your sins that are past, not present or future sins but for sins that are past. We were all locked under death by Adam’s sin, even the second death, which is the lake of fire. But when Jesus became (he was God in the beginning) man and died for the sins of the world, he gave us access back to the tree of life (himself) which Adam had caused us to lose. That’s what grace is, our free gift our access back to the tree of life but that’s another lesson for another time.

So by coming under the blood of Jesus being baptize, you are saved from your past sins. And if you are saved now, it is on a day to day basis. Because for all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God (Romans 23:3), and if you continue to live you will sin again.

When the bible speaks of laws we no longer have to keep, it is speaking of the sacrificial laws and Priesthood laws. These animal sacrificial laws were a school master pointing us to the fact that Jesus would be sacrificed for our sins. Since Jesus died we are no longer under a school master, (required to offer up bulls and goats for our sins). Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith. This animal sacrificial law was only a schoolmaster.(Gal 3:24)

Now we must believe (have faith) Jesus died for us (Hebrews 10:4,9-10) 4 For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins. 9 then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second. 10 By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.

This doesn't mean we don't have to obey God's moral laws of conduct. That would be like a man getting paroled from prison and then ignoring the same laws that sent him to prison in the first place. Jesus only died once, so if we willingly break God's law, after accepting Jesus, our reward will be eternal damnation

It is the willful sinning that you need to put in check. For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, but a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries. (Hebrew 10: 26, 27)

rambot · 2025-11-19T17:09:08-0600

Have they set a depostion date for Trump yet on this matter?

Are there other people they have still yet to depose?

rambot · 2025-11-19T17:05:49-0600

Clare73 said:
In a demcracy, "what is better" is what the voters decide.

"What they hope is better".

There are a LOT of people who are not happy with how things have played out with trump (I'm thinking of a few "Leopards eating my face" examples with farmers and folks married to central Americans). They voted for something they thought was "Better". I would argue their discernment is PARTICULARLY bad.

rambot · 2025-11-19T17:03:50-0600

Clare73 said:
That's how democracy works. . .the majority of the electorate govern.

Got a better system?

He's talking about "Style" not "System".

There's a big difference.

tritos · 2025-11-19T16:55:53-0600

Maybe he'd benefit from learning about "prelest" ("spiritual pride", but there's more to it than the name suggests).

Orthodox Christians can be good on this subject.

rambot · 2025-11-19T16:46:31-0600

GoldenBoy89 said:
I gotta unfortunately disagree. He’s the president of the United States and has been reelected well after learning everything we know about his character. This is sadly normal now and I don’t see us coming back from this style of politics anytime soon. Too many people support his style and not nearly enough care to counter it within his party or from the outside.

As I read this, I realize that the Gavin Newsom insta account is an example of what you're saying so....

Fair enough.

Bob Crowley · 2025-11-19T16:44:11-0600

Slightly off topic but this reminds me of a sermon my Presbyterian pastor said years ago. He used the experience of another pastor who was confronted by a child dying of cancer.

The child wanted to know what it was going to be like when he died. As the pastor put it, "What do you say to a child in this position".

Anyway he thought for a bit and then said "There were probably times when you were out with mum and dad somewhere, and it was late. Somehow you stayed awake until you were in the car."

"But on the way home you fell asleep. So when your parents got home, your dad picked you up out of the car and took you to your bedroom and put you to bed. The next morning you woke up in your bed and it was a new day, the sun was shining through the window, but you couldn't remember how you got there.

I think it will be like that. You'll fall asleep, and God will come and take you where He wants you to be.

Then you'll wake up. But you won't know how you got there."

Hentenza · 2025-11-19T16:42:55-0600

SarahsKnight said:
Far as I am concerned, it is worldly, carnal, pagan, and most of all, lacking in Scriptural evidence.

So make your argument. Opinions do not count.

Reluctant Theologian · 2025-11-19T16:40:38-0600

Colo Millz said:
Co-Sufferers (Imitatio Christi): Christians are called to participate in the suffering of Christ. Personal suffering is utilized as a means of purification (removing self-will and sin) and spiritual growth. By uniting one's own pain to the Passion, it ceases to be meaningless and becomes a source of grace for oneself and others.

Is this a Biblical understanding?

Matthew 16:24-25:

Then Jesus said to His disciples, “If anyone wishes to come after Me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross and follow Me. For whoever wishes to save his life will lose it; but whoever loses his life for My sake will find it.

So, I think yes .. Btw 'Imitatio Christi' literally means 'imitators of Christ' in Latin .. not suffering. The original book De Imitatione Christi (15th century AD) by Thomas à Kempis primarily focuses on private spiritual life and devotion, not just suffering. It was immensely popular in its day.

Vambram · 2025-11-19T16:40:13-0600

The savage crimes of murder and rape by the Hamas savages can only be denied by people who live in an alternate reality.

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