A New Dawn said:

And you are free to think however you want, even if you are in error thinking that way.

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Okay

I'm impressed that a conference call could happen with 10,000 people. (AP tells me that the call did eventually happen, just 20 minutes late.)

If the president really were to convene a group of faith leaders from a diversity of perspectives to advise him, that could be a good thing. Our Presiding Bishop would have some things to say, for example. If he's just gathered a group of people who already agree with him and is holding an online rally, that's a different thing. The coverage I found didn't list the participants.

As to the involvement of angelic or demonic forces, I'm sure I can't say. Sometimes a tech glitch is just a tech glitch.

Brightfame52 said:

I have told you what i think of what you believe, error. If you call it fullerism or not.

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And you are free to think however you want, even if you are in error thinking that way.

Postvieww said:

If the liberals are so concerned for the poor why have many mainly in sanctuary cities chosen to take far better care of the illegals than their own citizens who are poor or homeless veterans or just the homeless in general? Look at the communist running for mayor in NY. He promises utopia to the poor in reality only want in the end to lord it over the masses. Government run grocery stores, government over the means of production, eliminating billionaires who build the businesses and create the jobs. Why do so many fall for this ruse? It is because the liberal ideology has so influenced and lied to the gullible that many think liberal politicians care about them but nothing could be further from the truth. BYW there are liberal Republicans just fewer than on the Democrat side of the isle.

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Well by all means, let's see your quantitative break down of how much better off the liberals take care of immigrants over homeless veterans. I'm sure your in depth analysis will be very illustrative and informative.

Warden_of_the_Storm said:

That's such a load of bull.

You don't bring people to Christ by presenting lies about others, and that is definitely 100% what you are doing here.

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Matthew 5:11-12
“Blessed are you when people insult you, persecute you and falsely say all kinds of evil against you because of me. Rejoice and be glad, because great is your reward in heaven, for in the same way they persecuted the prophets who were before you."

Wheee! Keep the blessings coming, W. It isn't about me - its about you and Jesus.

All are always in my prayers...

biblegateway.com

p.s. Last word in this round to you as always, W.

Just remember Who actually has the Last Word in all things - He is The Amen!

Studyman said:

Perhaps then maybe you can show me in the Scriptures where God relegated the Faithful Gentile, "by His Law of Commandments" as "without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world".
And maybe you will answer the question, since Bob won't, "In your religion, was God the "circumcision" made with hands that called Faithful Gentiles the "Uncircumcision" who was "without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world"?
I look forward to the best you can do Clare73.

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The Levitical laws of defilement caused the Jews not to "mix it up" with the Gentiles, making those laws the dividing wall of hostility.

I'm grateful for our Independence from Britain. Definitely worth celebrating.

Xeno.of.athens said:

That's wrong!
The Catholic church is completely right

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Except in jusification. . .which is a declaration of "not guilty," a sentence of acquittal, a pronouncement of sinlessness.

Justification is a state of sinlessness, not a state of "righteousness," which must then be imputed (Ro 1:17, 3:21, 4:5, 13, 9:30, 10:6, Gal 3:16, Php 3:9) to those declared sinless in justification.

A New Dawn said:

I am a nurse, and yes, I do know how medications work. Knowing this doesn’t make one an atheist any more than your belief that your position is better than Christ’s because he chose to become a eunich (whatever that has to do with anything except for your own personal ego) makes you a heretic.

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Look, I am sure you think you are very knowledgeable and smart, and know the issue very well. But you have no idea what I am saying.

Matthew 19:11-12
"He responded, “Not everyone can accept this saying, but only those to whom it has been given. For there are eunuchs who were born that way from their mother’s womb, there are eunuchs who were made by men, and there are eunuchs who have made themselves that way because of the kingdom of heaven. The one who is able to accept it should accept it.”"

Jesus was celibate. Therefore, he was a eunuch. I am not insulting Jesus by saying what Jesus essentially says of himself.

I never asked if you were a nurse or if you knew how medications work. I gave you a source that you rejected because it isn't a peer-reviewed medical article or something. Feel free to fact-check the article rather than saying it can't be legitimate information because it is not from a peer-reviewed medical article (which is a genetic fallacy, BTW). Like I said, I am sure not every source you trust comes from a peer-reviewed article. You did not understand this simple saying because it seems you do not understand a lot of what I have said. When you open the newspaper or read a news article, does it need to be "peer-reviewed" before you trust it? No! Of course, not! That would be absurd! So I have to ask you why you don't trust the source of this writing. Do you actually have a reason, or is it just that the information contradicts what you think you know, so you can't accept it?

Clare73 said:

Is that the best you can do?

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Perhaps then maybe you can show me in the Scriptures where God relegated the Faithful Gentile, "by His Law of Commandments" as "without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world".

And maybe you will answer the question, since Bob won't, "In your religion, was God the "circumcision" made with hands that called Faithful Gentiles the "Uncircumcision" who was "without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world"?

I look forward to the best you can do Clare73.

The Liturgist said:

Interestingly, the majority of worship services (and worshippers) on any given Sabbath are Roman Catholics.

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LOL! Don't let this information out! What will people say! Given that the vast majority of Christians are Catholics, and given that Sabbatarians are a minority of non-Catholic believers, I have no doubt that this is true. But I had never thought of this before. Oh the irony! Ha!

Best wishes,

KT

Joseph G said:

Precisely!

Its called planting seeds. Every genuine believer knows full well upon reflecting that God planted His Word in us consistently all the years preceeding our salvation, even when our hearts were hardest.

We, as His mere broken vessels, obey Him in the work of His garden. We plant, He waters unto fruition.

Psalm 46:10
"He says, “Be still, and know that I am God;
I will be exalted among the nations,
I will be exalted in the earth.”

And that He has, and He is, and He shall. We are His living proof!

Fight against or join - it's everyone's choice.

biblegateway.com

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That's such a load of bull.

You don't bring people to Christ by presenting lies about others, and that is definitely 100% what you are doing here.

A New Dawn said:

Fullerism isn’t an “error” as much as it is a departure from Calvinism. And it deals with much more than the universal aspect of the sufficiency of Christ’s sacrifice. So, no, I don’t ascribe to Fullerism.

There are many Calvinists who believe in this, and it doesn’t change the nature of the L in the doctrines of Grace, it just acknowledges that Christ’s sacrifice could cover it all, it just doesn’t because not all are called.

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I have told you what i think of what you believe, error. If you call it fullerism or not.

Warden_of_the_Storm said:

And you do that by doing driveby posts with no real substance and closely akin to trolling? You think that's going to prompt others to come to Christ?

What Bizarro world are you from?

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Precisely!

Its called planting seeds. Every genuine believer knows full well upon reflecting that God planted His Word in us consistently all the years preceeding our salvation, even when our hearts were hardest.

We, as His mere broken vessels, obey Him in the work of His garden. We plant, He waters unto fruition.

Psalm 46:10
"He says, “Be still, and know that I am God;
I will be exalted among the nations,
I will be exalted in the earth.”

And that He has, and He is, and He shall. We are His living proof!

Fight against or join - it's everyone's choice.

biblegateway.com

RDKirk said:

Reform in prison is less useful when the system is rigged against them getting employment afterward.

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I think that is VERY true.

Brightfame52 said:

@A New Dawn



Then you believe error, sounds like fullerism you trying to push. If you dont know what Im talking about, go study it for yourself.

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Fullerism isn’t an “error” as much as it is a departure from Calvinism. And it deals with much more than the universal aspect of the sufficiency of Christ’s sacrifice. So, no, I don’t ascribe to Fullerism.

There are many Calvinists who believe in this, and it doesn’t change the nature of the L in the doctrines of Grace, it just acknowledges that Christ’s sacrifice could cover it all, it just doesn’t because not all are called.

Larniavc said:

That's because employers give such poor working conditions.

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Where? In Somalia?

All Becomes New said:

I am sure the only sources you ever trust are from peer-reviewed articles, just like many atheists today.

/s

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I am a nurse, and yes, I do know how medications work. Knowing this doesn’t make one an atheist any more than your belief that your position is better than Christ’s because he chose to become a eunich (whatever that has to do with anything except for your own personal ego) makes you a heretic.

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Prison they are all ready at maxim capacity .

Mississippi prisons may soon exceed capacity – Jackson Advocate

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Sounds like we need to build more prisons. And to be clear, there are probably people in prison (which are normally felons only, you don’t go to prison for smoking weed) who maybe shouldnt be. But we are letting out violent offenders who need to be there. We need more prisons to lock away the violent people and those who are repeat felons. I'm also for complete prison reform. We are doing little to nothing to help the non-violent felons become good members of society once they are out, so they have no need to repeatedly offend. Some will anyway because there are people like that in the world. I know, Ive met them.

Gregory Thompson said:

Today, we tend to lack the degree of spiritual transformation that they did. Missionaries might experience it though.

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I think we in better-off places can have more transformation. It can come with how we learn to relate in our more close sharing in marriage and other settings with close involvement with other people.

"Do all things without complaining and disputing, that you may become blameless and harmless, children of God without fault in the midst of a crooked and perverse generation" (in Philippians 2:13-16).

As we make the sacrifice to not give in to arguing and complaining, now we can get stronger and deeper in love which "bears all things" (in 1 Corinthians 13:7) and stays pleasant. In this love we have joy, even while going through things. We might not turn the other cheek like a missionary martyr somewhere, but we can turn the other cheek so we can't get dragged into co-dependent arguing and fussing and fretting.

And by keeping our forgiving up-to-date . . . this can strengthen us in God's love where we have His pleasure.

We can get busy with all our nice things and our busy stuff for keeping it all going. And this can get our mind away from God, and we can be depending on how we ourselves can get and keep nicer things of this life.

But we can get weak so then we can be easier to trouble and to drag into different things we suppose we have to do on our own. Ones even think they have to handle certain things on their own, and not trust God to take care of certain things.

This could be what more or less was happening to Mary's sister Martha > Luke 10:38-42 > here we read how Martha welcomed Jesus as her guest. "But" then she was so busy with serving. So, she had enough goods of this life so she could have Jesus as a guest, but then she got tied up with the serving, instead of first sharing with Jesus.

Yet, Mary her own sister was right there in the same situation, and Mary was wise enough to just sit at the feet of Jesus and hear Him. And Jesus stood up for Mary who was not helping with the serving!!

Martha got into all the serving, but Mary took the pleasure of being with Jesus.

So, from this I see how with God we can have a lot of prosperity or a lot of trouble, but whatever is God's will is where we can share with Him.

And, "of course" . . . now that we are the body of Jesus > our Father has us with one another as His family, and here is where our enjoyment will be, since He does want us to learn how to relate with one another. So, it helps me to first pray so I prepare for being with my brothers and sisters, so I am ready to say no to any nasty and negative and unforgiving reacting which might try to violate me while I am involved with other Jesus people. And so, when anyone starts some riff-raff stuff, stay pleasant and kind and humble, and be prayerful and encouraging for the person to recover oneself.

Mary did not take on Martha, but she let Jesus take care of it.

rjs330 said:

Yes it is. Or at least can be. Socialism is one of those things that has been and currently is a form of governance. It is also one of those things that can be incorporated into other forms of government in bits and pieces. Thing democratic socialism. It can also be part of a hard core type of government as well.

Socialist Countries 2025

"All that is required is that a country identifies itself as socialist. This includes nations that claim to be socialists or have constitutions that state that they are based on socialism, even if they do not rigidly follow the economic or political systems associated with socialism, because socialism is still the foundation of their political and economic policy."

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So, what is the uniquely socialist method of determining the head of state? How are laws formulated and passed? What is the power comparison of the executive to the judicial branches? What definition or description of socialism describes only public governance without reference to economics?

Let's not turn this is to a "America is terrible" or an "immigration" thread. Let's keep it, at what we are grateful for. If you cant be grateful for anything, or cant find anything to be grateful for in America then don't post anything at all.

GoldenKingGaze said:

I am sure that many people who never heard of Jesus, who are spiritually dead, have the beatific vision and on dying God takes them, and belatedly they are born again.

I can't believe imputation works, infusion is the means.

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I'm sorry you are not in agreement with
the apostolic teaching (Ro 5:17, 18-19, 1:17, 3:21, 4:5, 13, 9:30, 10:6, Gal 3:16, Php 3:9) of Jesus Christ (Lk 10:16).

Postvieww said:

Do you care to describe the housing you just referred to?

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Answer my question and I’ll answer yours. How much money to house homeless Americans vs how much money to detain and deport millions of working and living in the country?

I'm grateful for a country that created such an amazing Constitution and Democratic Republic. I'm glad for a country that created rye greatest economy in the world. I'm grateful for a country that was visionary. I'm grateful for rhe Bill of Rights. Im grateful for wide diversity of people who have come here through the legal process to become Americans. Im grateful for the incredible innovations people of this country have created. Im grateful for our amazing lands, the beauty and wild life and diversity. Im grateful that our country ended slavery. Im grateful rhat our country is not systematically racist. Im grateful that our country does so much for the less fortunate. I'm grateful for the amazing variety of foods we have. Im grateful for rhe incredible opportunities we have here to become whatever you want to become. Im grateful that we are an open and friendly people. I'm grateful that Native Americans can live whereever they want and pursue anything they wish to pursue despite being a conquered people. I'm grateful for our legal system. I'm grateful for our military. Im grateful that we have a voice in how our country is run and we have opportunities to change things if we dont like them.

Im grateful for all of you despite that fact we may have wildly different opinions.

I'm grateful God has not judged out country too harshly for our failures which also have been large at times. That he was patient and allowed us to work them out and keep working them out.

I'm grateful that we live in the greatest country in the world. God bless America and God bless all of you!