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essentialsaltes · 2025-12-02T18:46:49-0600

Servus said:
Yeah I get that now. But not by the actual FBIAA right?

You quoted the by-line in the image.

BCP1928 · 2025-12-02T18:45:21-0600

Servus said:
I think that's what's being read into it. It seems more likely that Hegseth was referring to the boat strike period.

Well, it happened--the White House has not denied it, so you'll just have to be pleased with that for the time being. No doubt your favorite culture warriors will be able to wiggle out of any serious legal consequences.

Always in His Presence · 2025-12-02T18:42:19-0600

Dan Perez said:
And Paul was not part of Israel. , PERIOD.

Phil 3:5 circumcised the eighth day, of the stock of Israel, ofthe tribe of Benjamin, a Hebrew of the Hebrews; concerning the law, a Pharisee; 6 concerning zeal, persecuting the church; concerning the righteousness which is in the law, blameless.

I am aware of your opinion on Paul and completely disagree with it. No point in engaging.

Say it aint so · 2025-12-02T18:37:40-0600

Servus said:
And the NYP seems to credit it back to SCRIBD.

And says "The report was written in the style of an official FBI intelligence assessment". Is it supposed to be from the FBIAA? Does it exist on any actual FBI website? I'm calling it codswallop until it's proven otherwise.

View attachment 373923

Do you think for a hot minute that Kash and Bongino would let such a report exist on the FBI website?

samaus123456789 · 2025-12-02T18:36:34-0600

I used DeepL to translate it into English. Here is the PDF New Testament papyri in Cave 7 at Qumran?

eclipsenow · 2025-12-02T18:35:33-0600

keras said:
The Lord’s people will enter the holy Land with joy and thanksgiving:

Isaiah 35:10 The Lord’s people, set free, will enter Zion with shouts of triumph… Gladness and joy will come upon them, while suffering and sorrow will pass away.

Psalms 149:4-5 For the Lord accepts the service of His people and crowns the lowly with victory. Let His loyal servants exult in triumph!

Jeremiah 33:6 & 25 I shall restore the Land, My people will live there. They will shout: Praise the Lord of Hosts, for He is good and His love endured forever.
Psalms 69:36 Those who serve the Lord and love His Name, will inherit the Land.

Psalms 37:9 Those who trust in the Lord, will inherit the Land.

Isaiah 57:13b but, he who makes Me his refuge, will possess the Land.

Psalms 85:9 Certainly, His loyal followers will soon experience His deliverance, then glory will appear in our Land.

Isaiah 61:3-6 My righteous people, planted in the Lord’s holy Land, to display His glory.

Matthew 5:5 Blessed are the humble, for they will inherit the Land.

All true verses that I affirm!

They just don't say what you WANT them to say!

You have no authority given your 2025 model is your third attempt at this.

As much as you hate the animations, when you realise all your writings are yet ANOTHER attempt to chase after the wind - try "The Bible Project" on YouTube.

Unlike you, the guy has a Phd in Theology focussing on the Hebrew writing genre of Apocalyptic Symbolism.
Pick ANY book of the bible and watch them. I agree with about 80 to 90% of what they say - depending on the book.

Good, reformed Amil theology.

Or try Dr Paul Barnett's "Apocalypse Now and then." These really will help you.

BPPLEE · 2025-12-02T18:35:06-0600

RDKirk said:
Well, the US military is certainly not a Christian organization, so it's strange and saddening that actions even the military considers unlawful are justified by persons who claim Christ.

I don't know if any of the strikes were lawful. It seems to depend on who you ask

RDKirk · 2025-12-02T18:34:36-0600

Servus said:
That's not evidence that Hegseth or Bradley ordered drug smugglers clinging to boat wreckage to be gunned down.

I said the act itself (that a second pass to kill the survivors of the first pass) was tacitly admitted, not that Hegseth admitted to having given the order. And nobody in the administration currently denies that such a second pass was made.

Hegseth implies that whatever was done, Bradley was in charge of it.

Bob S · 2025-12-02T18:34:04-0600

Hentenza said:
Hi Bob. Thanks for the compliment. The law was given to Israel not to the gentiles. Jews are still under the law until they accept the Messiah. All believers in Christ are under the new covenant but some groups choose to continue to follow the law. The Messianic Jews come to mind. Other groups, like the SDAs posting in this thread, only follow portions of the law even though they deny it.

At the end of the day we are saved by the grace of God through faith so as long as faith remains that’s what counts.

The object of Jesus coming to Earth was to free Israel from the Law and provide them with salvation by their faith. We see this over and over in the writings of Paul. This leaves us with the question; if Jews are still under the Law, was Paul's admonition that they were freed from it false?

RDKirk · 2025-12-02T18:31:24-0600

BCP1928 said:
From some of the responses in this forum one would think it means blowing up the survivors of the boat strike in the water.

Well, the US military is certainly not an Christian organization, so it's strange and saddening that actions even the military considers unlawful are justified by persons who claim Christ.

Dan Perez · 2025-12-02T18:29:35-0600

Dave... said:
Hey Dan.

I believe the the one important thing that is often overlooked in Ephesians 1:4 and context is that we are chosen "in Him", and always "In Christ". --Vs. 10 is speaking of the Spirit baptism which began at Pentecost (1 Cor. 12:13). Vs. 11 is speaking of true OT believers already declared righteous by OT faith (Romans 8:29) who came to faith in Jesus.

It is Jesus who was elect from the foundations of the world. Anyone who is placed 'in Him', becomes elect with Him. Thus, "In Him" we receive all these things spoken about in Ephesians 1. This has been God's plan from the [foundations of the world], thus the 'Lamb slain from the foundations of the world' is speaking about an eternal decree, but it still had to actually happen before it applied.

We are all placed into Christ with the NT indwelling, called the placing into, or, baptism with the Holy Spirit, that was made available to everyone after Christ was lifted up. Today, when someone believes and trusts in Christ Jesus in faith, Jesus places the Holy Spirit in us, making us one with Him (the baptism into the Body, into Christ), as a result, being born again and justified. This is all initiated by faith.

For your convenience, I quoted it.

1-14 Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the will of God, To the saints who are in Ephesus, and faithful in Christ Jesus: Grace to you and peace from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ. Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places in Christ, just as He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before Him in love, having predestined us to adoption as sons by Jesus Christ to Himself, according to the good pleasure of His will, to the praise of the glory of His grace, by which He made us accepted in the Beloved. In Him we have redemption through His blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of His grace which He made to abound toward us in all wisdom and prudence, having made known to us the mystery of His will, according to His good pleasure which He purposed in Himself,10 that in the dispensation of the fullness of the times He might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven and which are on earth--in Him. 11 In Him also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestined (Romans 8:29) according to the purpose of Him who works all things according to the counsel of His will, that we who first trusted in Christ should be to the praise of His glory. In Him you also trusted, after you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation; in whom also, having believed, you were sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise, who is the guarantee of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, to the praise of His glory.

Dave

Glad to see you DAVE ~~

In. Eph. 1 :4 we were CHOSEN , BEFORD //. PRO. is a PREPOSTION

THE FOUNDATION //. KATABOLE , is in the GENITIVE CASE , IN. THE SIGNULAR and. the SIGNULAR means ONLY

CHOSEN ONE TIME ONLY

of the WORLD //. KOSMOS. and also in. the GENITIVE CASE also. in. the SINGULAR.

dan p

eclipsenow · 2025-12-02T18:22:13-0600

The Liturgist said:
When I’m in pain, specifically arthritis and tendonitis, which appeared in my 30s due to the hereditary illness I have, my normally epic attention span (at age 14 I sat through the Soviet SF film Solaris, watching both reels on our VCR, during the day, and thoroughly enjoyed it, and found myself never looking at water the same way again) becomes shorter, to a frustrating degree. Indeed I use my attention span as a key metric in determing how much pain I’m in.

That's rough!

The idea of pain as we age scares me.
I have a mild case of trigger finger and it's messing with my optimism as I age.

I also loved the Russian Solaris - but I think I was about 16.
I went to my public school (a good one in Sydney) the next day. My art teacher was a German man with a great accent!
We had a class chat about the movie and he loudly proclaimed,
"Oh - that movie vas so scarrrrey! That woman, she kept coming back!"

BCP1928 · 2025-12-02T18:22:04-0600

Palmfever said:
It is the 'War on drugs.' Yes it is a war.

When one person enters the US and commits just one murder, rape or assault they should have been stopped by whatever means prior to the act, beginning with proper vetting. Yet they come in illegally so no vetting process. When drug cartels send weapons of mass destruction into the country, which they are doing, killing around 100,000 annually, they should be stopped by whatever means necessary. It is a mandate of US government to protect it's citizens.

Drug cartels are not seeking asylum. They do not consider your life or welfare.

If you wish to make this a Christian issue consider these words;

Romans
' Let everyone be subject to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God. 2 Consequently, whoever rebels against the authority is rebelling against what God has instituted, and those who do so will bring judgment on themselves. 3 For rulers hold no terror for those who do right, but for those who do wrong. Do you want to be free from fear of the one in authority? Then do what is right and you will be commended.

Peter
Submit yourselves for the Lord’s sake to every human authority: whether to the emperor, as the supreme authority, 14 or to governors, who are sent by him to punish those who do wrong and to commend those who do right. 15 For it is God’s will that by doing good you should silence the ignorant talk of foolish people.

The evil men who choose to commit these crimes remind me of these words.

'With the reasonable man I will reason.
With the fool I will plead,
But to the tyrant I will show no quarter.'

So here we have some of these "evil men" in a speedboat nowhere near the US and not headed there probably loaded with cocaine. The boat is blown up, killing many of the crew and the survivors clinging to the wreckage are murdered. I put it to you that no possible interpretation of the Gospel of Christ could justify killing those two men. Yet Christians praise the action and in so doing have destroyed the moral credibility of the Christian faith. It is finished.

Say it aint so · 2025-12-02T18:16:41-0600

Oompa Loompa said:
Killed narco terrorists designated as enemy combatants in the global war of terror.

The they are what they are because we say they are does not immunize one from breaking the military codes of illegalities.

Pommer · 2025-12-02T18:16:32-0600

Servus said:
It's likey that most everyone didn't know that there was a law of armed conflict, until their media made an issue out of it for them.

You say this like it’s an “issue”; isn’t this what the Fourth Estate is for, exactly?

Servus said:
With the intention of making going against drug smugglers as being immoral and illegal.

I’d like for us to be better than the bad guys. Out “bad guysing“ the bad guys isn’t any sort of goal for any non-fascist nation.

Servus said:
Being against actions taken against crime has always been the theme, from drug trafficking to shoplifting.

Holy Dostoyevsky, Batman!

Say it aint so · 2025-12-02T18:14:39-0600

Vambram said:
Baloney.
Obviously, it appears that you didn't read it, but summarily dismissed it instead.

In order to understand the source for the FOX blurb and the very same authors and article, one would have to read it.

samaus123456789 · 2025-12-02T18:14:09-0600

7Q5 - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Here is the original study in Spanish

¿Papiros neotestamentarios en la cueva 7 de Qumrān? on JSTOR

José O'Callaghan, ¿Papiros neotestamentarios en la cueva 7 de Qumrān?, Biblica, Vol. 53, No. 1 (1972), pp. 91-100

www.jstor.org

Can copy paste the URL into sci hub to get the full article, download the PDF, upload it into chat GPT then ask it to translate into English
Bill Cooper has a book on it The Authenticity of the New Testament Fragments of Qumran - Anna’s Archive also Carsten Thiede but that is not online have to buy it if someone wants it.

Dan Perez · 2025-12-02T18:11:09-0600

timf said:
One of the problems people can have with studying the bible is trying to make everything fit to apply to us today/ The Word of Faith people try to make the promises to Israel of prosperity apply. The Charismatics try to make the spiritual gifts of the early church apply. Some even try to make the kingdom promises Jesus gave his disciples all apply to us today.

For greater clarity we might look to the writings of the Apostle to the gentiles, Paul. It is pretty obvious that Paul had a different gospel than Peter. Perhaps most significantly those of Israel had to endure to the end for their salvation while those in the body of Christ already have their eternal life.

Gal 2:7 But contrariwise, when they saw that the gospel of the uncircumcision was committed unto me, as the gospel of the circumcision was unto Peter;

And asking and there are those that being the BODY OF CHRIST in. ACTS 2 ??

AND that it begins in ACTS 9. !!

And some begins in ACTS 11 ??

And some say ACTS 28

Just where do you need. it BEGAN ??

dan p

SarahsKnight · 2025-12-02T18:07:07-0600

BobRyan said:
parables are funny that way.

Luke 16 is great example of no one praying to God and asking Him for anything at all. A wonderful parable making the point (that almost no one who references Luke 16 chooses to mention) "IF they do not listen to Moses, neither will they listen if one rises from the dead".

But ... but ....! It's totally not a parable! Eternal torment

eleos1954 said:
God is not a torturing monster ... to think so is ridiculous

Hell is the grave .... Jesus Himself ... and many other places in the bible describes death as a dormant sleep (1st death) why? Because one day ALL will be resurrected (woken from their sleep)

Christian theology holds that Jesus's divine nature is what enabled him to survive death and be resurrected, but it was his human nature that experienced death. His death was a sacrifice made possible by his dual nature, and his resurrection was due to the power of God.

It's about eternal life (living with God forever-eternal existence) or eternal death (eternal non(existence)

We are not to be confused about death ... the 1st death is temporary ... the 2nd death is final for eternity.

It's the simple and straightforward reading of most verses in Scripture that speak on life, death, and the ultimate fate of believers and non-believers. Yet for some insane reason, Dan1988 over here keeps ranting that folks like you and I who take this simple and straightforward approach are practicing witchcraft, trying to know the mind of God, and following a "doctrine of demons". *rolls eyes* It's impossible arguing with him.

Palmfever · 2025-12-02T18:06:22-0600

BCP1928 said:
No one has that intention. Regardless of the "law of armed conflict" once upon a time it would have been considered an atrocity to sink an enemy vessel and then machine gun the survivors in the water. Once upon a time Christians would have lamented their deaths, even though they were the enemy. I guess we were just just inaccurately informed about the Gospel of Christ.

Kill 'em all, right? OK, this is a Christian forum and it's good of you to instruct us about the Christian position on the incident.

It is the 'War on drugs.' Yes it is a war.

When one person enters the US and commits just one murder, rape or assault they should have been stopped by whatever means prior to the act, beginning with proper vetting. Yet they come in illegally so no vetting process. When drug cartels send weapons of mass destruction into the country, which they are doing, killing around 100,000 annually, they should be stopped by whatever means necessary. It is a mandate of US government to protect it's citizens.

Drug cartels are not seeking asylum. They do not consider your life or welfare.

If you wish to make this a Christian issue consider these words;

Romans
' Let everyone be subject to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God. 2 Consequently, whoever rebels against the authority is rebelling against what God has instituted, and those who do so will bring judgment on themselves. 3 For rulers hold no terror for those who do right, but for those who do wrong. Do you want to be free from fear of the one in authority? Then do what is right and you will be commended.

Peter
Submit yourselves for the Lord’s sake to every human authority: whether to the emperor, as the supreme authority, 14 or to governors, who are sent by him to punish those who do wrong and to commend those who do right. 15 For it is God’s will that by doing good you should silence the ignorant talk of foolish people.

The evil men who choose to commit these crimes remind me of these words.

'With the reasonable man I will reason.
With the fool I will plead,
But to the tyrant I will show no quarter.'

comana · 2025-12-02T18:05:33-0600

another_lost_guy said:
Let me guess: democrats were republicans when they owned slaves and the party switched as soon as democrats started doing good stuff too. Lol. The nazis also burned a bunch of pedophile books.

Southern Democrats were conservative when they owned slaves and switched parties when progressive Northern Democrats started to support civil rights of the former slaves. Over time the Republican Party became the conservative party and the Democratic Party the progressive party.

BCP1928 · 2025-12-02T18:04:49-0600

ThatRobGuy said:
Sure, you can find some examples, but those are outliers, not the norm.

You found 4 secular Muslim-majority countries.

Compare that to the 5 that are full blown Authoritarian Theocracies, and the 20+ that have Islam as an official state religion and enforce varying degrees of Sharia law.

And I would argue that some of your examples aren't good ones.

Bangladesh has Islam declared as it's official state religion, that's not very secular.

It's also worth pointing out that just because some secular principles are mentioned in certain documents, doesn't mean they're being adhered to.

Case in point:

Constitution of North Korea - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Hey, look at all these rights that North Koreans have! Is says so in their foundational documents and according to their "official positions".

I think almost all countries have a Constitution. The thing that actually enables totalitarian states of the left or the right and irrespective of religion, is single party rule.

jonojim1337 · 2025-12-02T17:57:07-0600

Michie said:
Abraham Was Not a Jew, neither Was Jacob… So Who is a Jew? – Unscrolling the Scriptures

unscrollingthescriptures.com

That’s interesting. So the Hebrews originally came from the north?

Dan Perez · 2025-12-02T17:56:09-0600

Always in His Presence said:
Yes - that adequately describes "The Apostles of the Lamb" mentioned in Revelation

Rev 21:14 Now the wall of the city had twelve foundations, and on them were the names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb.

Which would be similar to the church being built on the foundation of the Apostles and Prophets - note: same terminology (foundation)

Neither was Paul.

And Paul was not part of Israel. , PERIOD. !! AND APOSTLE To the GENTILES !!

Paul part of the BODY OF CHRIST and we will be GOVERING the UNIVERSE and GOVERN Angels , in the UNIVERSE

as written in 1 COR 6:1-3. ,

And ONLY THOSE SAVED BY GRACE ( ROM 10:9 and 10 will be THERE ??

dan p

johnnypapa · 2025-12-02T17:55:06-0600

Ave, María, grátia plena,
Dóminus tecum.
Benedicta tu in muliéribus,
et benedíctus fructus ventris
tui, Iesus.
Sancta María, Mater Dei,
ora pro nobis peccatoribus
nunc et in hora mortis nostrae.
Amen.

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