FAITH-IN-HIM said:

Things may have changed in America last 10 months, but for the past 249 years, the standard procedure has been for the federal government to collaborate with local authorities. Whenever possible, federal agencies would notify local governments and law enforcement before conducting a raid in a particular area. Typically, local government officials would participate or at least be informed in such federal operations.

Currently, the governor, mayor, and locally elected officials all oppose these activities being conducted by the federal government. Despite this opposition, the federal government is proceeding with its operations against the wishes of local residents.

But you want cooperation from local law enforcement! Give me a break.

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So it’s up to the governor, the mayor, locally elected officials and local residents to tell the Feds that they can’t enforce federal law and deport illegal immigrants.?
Give me a break

iluvatar5150 said:

Posting this here to keep an eye on it:

House of South Carolina Judge Criticized by Trump Administration Set Ablaze

Authorities are investigating a fire at the home of a South Carolina judge who had reportedly received death threats in what could be the latest incident of political violence across the country.

time.com

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Now there's something you don't see every day: "According to the St. Paul’s Fire District, which responded to the scene, the occupants had to be rescued via kayak."

Apple Sky said:

I weren't horrified, I just couldn't believe you said that.

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I didn't - you didn't read my post properly.

SabbathBlessings said:

I didn't quote your post 302

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Are you going to say that your post #301: "yes, God rested on the Sabbath" (and quoted by me in my post #302)
was not in reponse to my post #300:"God rested from all his work on the Sabbath" (Heb 4:4),
and that your omission in post #301 of my phrase from all his work in my post #300
was not misrepresention of my post #300 when you omitted my phrase from all his work?

Q.E.D.

Strong in Him said:

you were horrified when you thought I was saying that no one will go to heaven.

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I weren't horrified, I just couldn't believe you said that.

BPPLEE said:

ICE can't work with them because CPD are under orders from the mayor not to assist federal authorities, I haven't seen anything to suggest the federal authorities have been disrespectful to the local PD.

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Things may have changed in America last 10 months, but for the past 249 years, the standard procedure has been for the federal government to collaborate with local authorities. Whenever possible, federal agencies would notify local governments and law enforcement before conducting a raid in a particular area. Typically, local government officials would participate or at least be informed in such federal operations.

Currently, the governor, mayor, and locally elected officials all oppose these activities being conducted by the federal government. Despite this opposition, the federal government is proceeding with its operations against the wishes of local residents.

But you want cooperation from local law enforcement! Give me a break.

Oompa Loompa said:

With all due respect, your argument is a bandwagon fallacy. May I suggest instead to focus on why rape is wrong, instead of claiming "nobody thinks rape is good."

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I think you misunderstand the bandwagon fallacy. The post did not claim that many agree, rather that all agree.

fhansen said:

Because it was all correct, and consistent with the historic Christian faith as well. We can fulfill the "righteous requirements of the law" but only by virtue of being united with Him. Now, if I read between the lines I might think you were speaking of a sort of vicarious fulfillment only, but, if not, then your words and the verses offered work well as they stand.

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No, it is not vicarious.


These verses say that the righteous requirement of the law is fulfilled (passive voice) in us (not by us). And "us" is defined as those "who walk according to the Spirit". That these verses are speaking of a class of people in whom the requirements are fulfilled (and not their deeds) is magnified by the class distinctions that preceed these verses and those follow them:

• "There is therefore now now condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus" (Ro 8:1),
• "For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has made me free from the law of sin and death" (Ro 8:2),
• "For those who live according to the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh, but those who live according to the Spirit, the things of the Spirit" (Ro 8:5),
• "For to be carnally minded is death, but to be spiritually minded is life and peace." (Ro 8:6),
• "Because the carnal mind is enmity against God; for it is not subject to the law of God, nor indeed can be." (Ro 8:7),
• "So then, those who are in the flesh cannot please God." (Ro 8:8),
• "But you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. Now if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he is not His." (Ro 8:9),
• "And if Christ is in you, the body is dead because of sin, but the Spirit is life because of righteousness." (Ro 8:10),
• "For if you live according to the flesh you will die; but if by the Spirit you put to death the deeds of the body, you will live." (Ro 8:13),
• "For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, these are sons of God." (Ro 8:14), and
• 15 For you did not receive the spirit of bondage again to fear, but you received the Spirit of adoption by whom we cry out, “Abba, Father.” 16 The Spirit Himself bears witness with our spirit that we are children of God, 17 and if children, then heirs—heirs of God and joint heirs with Christ, if indeed we suffer with Him, that we may also be glorified together. (Ro 8:15–17).

These things point to a spiritual reality. Those who have Jesus Christ living in their hearts are right with God, are being led by God, and are Joint heirs with Christ. This reality is theirs because of the transformation that took place inside them that made them a new creation upon receiving Christ. You would have a better chance of understanding this if you would just accept the idea that the new man "was created according to God, in true righteousness and holiness" (Eph 4:24).

Hans Blaster said:

Way to not understand what those labels mean. "God is unknowable" is more of an "agnostic" position" than an atheist one. We tend (though you'll need to ask @NxNW directly) to be "I don't believe in any god" or "no gods (can) exist".

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If a negative can be proven then you'd have point. But it cannot, so you don't.

Hans Blaster said:

The problem, is that unless you are claiming morality is some intrinsic property of the Universe that your god must also adhere to, a morality based on the (claimed) demand of a god is *SUBJECTIVE* as it is subject to the mind of that god (unless you'd like to claim yours is mindless). Christian, Biblical, Abrahamic, Judeo-Christian (or whatever label you'd like to use) morality is by definition subjective as it depends on the mind of God.

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My God is not in the universe. So try again, please.

Hans Blaster said:

(The actual subject of the thread is "absolute" morality -- morality imposed by fiat by a moral authority, which is a subjective form of morality.)

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Clearly, absolute morality is not imposed, only proposed. So try again, please.

GoldenBoy89 said:

lol. I gotta say I’m not exactly hating this law enforcement on law enforcement infighting. Really makes you wonder where ICE went so wrong they don’t even have the support of their fellow LEOs.

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They don’t have the support of the mayor who is issuing the orders to the police chief

Daniel Carlton said:

Not trying to be argumentative but I actually disagree with this part of your statement. I understand some impose their will but actually the main problem is that pastors try to cater to their congregation or denomination and abandon Biblical teaching.

That is the main purpose of the pastor - to teach people the will of God from the Holy scripture. Most pastors are trying to do what their congregation wants them to do and this is how scripture is devalued and ungodly gimmicks find their way into churches.

I have only been in one Biblical church in my life and that was when I was visiting some friends in Northern Ireland. The other churches u have been to are just apostates and sinful. And this one biblical church I mentioned did exactly what you think is a problem, give people what they need.

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too many churches have turned into entertainment , fail to teach Heaven or Hell or the Holy Ghost, yet some rely heavily on works . the KJV is a manual to use as a guide and Grace is the word of the day !

ThatRobGuy said:

It's because someone else had replied in the thread about people having negative professional consequences (and doxxing) for not going along with what the sitting administration/in-power party wanted as far as public discourse surrounding a contentious issue... so I provided examples of professionals who faced consequences for that reason, a few of the examples were professors who refused to cancel finals for a "Floyd remembrance day" and a few of the examples I provided were covid contrarians, that's how this particular off-shoot the conversation came up.

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Thanks. I see now how it got here.

BPPLEE said:

Clearly you don't understand what happened during the holocaust

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What happened before the Holocaust? They didn’t just start with gas chambers on day one, you know.

BPPLEE said:

National police union calls Chicago's refusal to help ICE agents 'shocking' violation of duty

Police union leaders called Chicago's alleged directive to not assist ICE agents surrounded by protesters a violation of law enforcement's duty to protect fellow officers.

www.foxnews.com

National police union calls Chicago's refusal to help ICE agents 'shocking' violation of duty​

National Fraternal Order of Police condemns reports officers were told not to assist surrounded agents​

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lol. I gotta say I’m not exactly hating this law enforcement on law enforcement infighting. Really makes you wonder where ICE went so wrong they don’t even have the support of their fellow LEOs.

Aryeh Jay said:

If the people of Louisiana want to eat, get a job. The money will be better spent going to Argentina, Israel, or the golden ballroom that we have been lacking.

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My understanding is that the golden ballroom isn’t being funded from government coffers…has I been misinformed?

Apple Sky said:

What - No one will go to heaven ?

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No!
I said that Jesus did NOT say "no one will go to heaven."

Your argument is that no one has been to the moon in the 20th and 21st centuries because Jesus said in the 1st century, "no one has been to heaven".
That doesn't make sense.
You seem to be saying that heaven and the moon are the same place. They're not. But even if they were, saying that no one had been to heaven/the moon in the 1st century is not the same as saying that no one can ever go to heaven/the moon in the future.

You've just proved that - you were horrified when you thought I was saying that no one will go to heaven.

Daniel Martinovich said:

I'm not asking as a Preterist. I disagree with them as strongly as I disagree with dispensationalists and pre, mid, post, ah= millennialists as far as the scripture is concerned. But I have never seen someone cite anything other than what they believe to tag them as "heretics." So it is something I have been curious about for decades.

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Titus 2:11 For the grace of God that brings salvation has appeared to all men, 12 teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly in the present age, 13 looking for the blessed hope and glorious appearing of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ, 14 who gave Himself for us, that He might redeem us from every lawless deed and purify for Himself His own special people, zealous for good works.

Acts 1:9 Now when He had spoken these things, while they watched, He was taken up, and a cloud received Him out of their sight. 10 And while they looked steadfastly toward heaven as He went up, behold, two men stood by them in white apparel, 11 who also said, “Men of Galilee, why do you stand gazing up into heaven? This same Jesus, who was taken up from you into heaven, will so come in like manner as you saw Him go into heaven.”

1 John 3:1 Behold what manner of love the Father has bestowed on us, that we should be called children of God! Therefore the world does not know us, because it did not know Him. 2 Beloved, now we are children of God; and it has not yet been revealed what we shall be, but we know that when He is revealed, we shall be like Him, for we shall see Him as He is.

1 Thessalonians 4:14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so God will bring with Him those who sleep in Jesus. 15 For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who are asleep. 16 For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. 17 Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord.

To me, it is a fundamental Christian belief that we should be "looking for the blessed hope and glorious appearing of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ" who will "come in like manner as you saw Him go into heaven" at which point "we shall see Him as He is" after "the dead in Christ shall rise" from the dead and are "caught up together...to meet the Lord in the air" with those "who are alive and remain" after which "we shall always be with the Lord". To deny this future hope that we all have is heretical, in my opinion. What is the hope of full preterists exactly if they think Jesus has already come and the passages I shared above are already fulfilled?

Full preterists believe that the resurrection is past. Here is what Paul said about people who believe and teach that...

2 Timothy 2:15 Be diligent to present yourself approved to God, a worker who does not need to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth. 16 But shun profane and idle babblings, for they will increase to more ungodliness. 17 And their message will spread like cancer. Hymenaeus and Philetus are of this sort, 18 who have strayed concerning the truth, saying that the resurrection is already past; and they overthrow the faith of some.

Michie said:

An Alabama man claiming to be "the Angel of Death" has been arrested after he allegedly threatened a California church, both in-person and via email, authorities say.

The Orange County Sheriff's Department announced Tuesday that they arrested 38-year-old Joshua Michael Richardson, who is suspected of sending threats to St. Michael’s Abbey of Silverado Canyon.

According to police, the sheriff’s department was contacted last week about “suspicious, threatening emails” that were sent to the church, allegedly by Richardson. From there, the Alabama resident “visited the church in person and made additional threats.”

Richardson was soon located and detained by authorities. A search of his vehicle found brass knuckles, knives, body armor and high-capacity magazines. However, no guns or ammunition were located.

Richardson was arrested and is being held at the Orange County Jail.

“While incidents like this can feel unsettling, they also highlight the power of community. If something seems off, say something,” stated Orange County authorities.

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Man claiming to be ‘angel of death’ drives cross country to threaten Calif. church

An Alabama man claiming to be the Angel of Death has been arrested after he allegedly threatened a California church, both in-person and via email, authorities say

www.christianpost.com

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the Devil and his fallen Angels are at work and demons still today have the ability to possess

NxNW said:

Hard to say, but Trump Always Chickens Out.

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What does Trump have to do with senate votes?

Valletta said:

Fraud is just a subset of election wrongdoing, and actual fraud is hard to prove. Convictions for fraud, or convictions for cheating on income tax or convictions for improper collection of welfare or Medicaid or other government benefits may significantly lag the actual number of offenses. I've personally aware of and reported much government wrongdoing with virtually zero accountability. Even with that background I was shocked at level of election wrongdoing in Detroit.

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The ultra-low rate of “election fraud” convictions is (actually) evidence that the vast majority of election fraud isn’t being caught?

Tails, I lose?

essentialsaltes said:

Trump announces White House UFC fight date: his birthday​

President Donald Trump on Sunday revealed for the first time that a planned UFC match at the White House won't occur around the Fourth of July.

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That's a great idea!