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Can democratic Socialism save America?

I agree. But I think that even the Nordic states that are under a social democracy have issues that are progressively getting worse.
Well, a survey to find the 5 happiest countries in the world shows that the top four are Nordic states. The US comes in at 22.
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Obama care collapsing.....

What is the GOP plan again?


Greatest example of tribe speak I have seen in years IMHO
The wording is identical! It's uncanny.
Let's review

Democrat plan - not one Republican supported or voted for it.
Democrat run
Democrat executed
Republicans made a lot of amendments to the original bill - remember? Then they all thumbed their noses and declared their intention to scuttle the bill, which they failed to do back in 2010. Over the next fifteen years, they have crippled it to the best of their ability, but have not come up with anything to make it better or to replace it altogether.
Republicans fault - got it!

So, where is the MAHA plan? Who will bell the cat?
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The Fall of the West (It's Happening Now)

I believe Christians generally will be blindsided.
They always are when they follow the governments of man rather than the government/will of God. They somehow thinkk the two can work as one, when in reality, the Gospel of the Kingdom is a movement of opposing values. That is why it was dropped when the religion joined the Roman Empire to avoid conflict by those who sought power and authourity. Mankind has always taken this wrong wide path when given the opportunity, regardless of how many time God said from the beginning to put his will first ahead of our own..
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The rise of menace as a mainstream political tool

Greene said she realized that she has participated in or supported heated rhetoric that has resulted in threats toward others, a point of reflection for her.
She may have repented or she may be positioning herself for a future elected political position post Trump. Time will tell and she should be given a chance to prove her intentions.
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Fundamentalist or Evangelical?

So what I am asking is this viewing of certain things, activities etc. as taboo, is this something one would encounter more with certain christian groups, denominations etc, than others, or is it something is present to varying degrees in all christian groups?

If you're asking in particular about prohibitions against drinking, dancing, cards, movies, and similar recreational activities, I can speak a little from my own experience of churches. I've encountered these prohibitions amongst some kinds of Baptists, some kinds of Presbyterian and other Reformed groups, and some nondenominational churches. All of these are churches that have been influenced by the Reformed tradition (but see note below). By contrast, I haven't generally seen these prohibitions in Episcopal, Catholic, or Lutheran churches.

My "note below" is that I don't have enough experience with the PCUSA, UCC, or American Baptists to know how they feel about these recreational prohibitions. Perhaps someone from one of these traditions can speak to it. I'm also not sure about the conservative Lutherans like the LCMS or WELS (they're inerrantists, but I don't know if they'd forbid drinking a beer while watching a movie). Also, to my Orthodox friends: I haven't forgotten you exist; I just have no experience of your culture, sorry.

If you're still looking for a church, and you're bothered by the prohibitions on things like movies, would you consider going outside the nondenominational tradition and trying something like a Lutheran church? (Or maybe PCUSA, if they give satisfactory answers to your questions?)
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The 5 stages

He will only be revealed when he goes forth Conquering at the 1260 middle of the week. He will never be their King, he is the E.U. President. Did the UK ever consider the E.U. President as their King? Of course not.
The man of sin reveals himself by sitting in the temple of God, claiming that he is God.

2Thessalonians2:
3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
This never happens, him being the King over Israel is just your erroneous interpretation my friend.
The Jews are looking for their messiah (someone they believe as other than Jesus).

The Jews hold that the messiah will be anointed the King of Israel. And if you look at Mark 15:32, that belief existed at the time Jesus was crucified.

Mark 15:32 Let Christ the King of Israel descend now from the cross, that we may see and believe. And they that were crucified with him reviled him.

Israel will simply join the E.U. this is how the AC gets political sway, he makes an "Agreement" which is what Israel joining the E.U.
There is no biblical basis that Israel will join the EU. What is you basis for that opinion ?

The covenant to be confirmed in Daniel 9:27 for a 7 year period will be the Mt. Sinai covenant, in the method Moses described in Deuteronomy 31:9-31.

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btw, we can disagree. Nothing personal.
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Are the Jews Israel, or is the church Israel? Or does it depend on the context of the passage?

Does it take 7 yrs for a Jewish Wedding to be consummated?
Yes, a day for a year in Prophesy is a well known prophetic understanding.

This is another Pretrib invention that has no connection to reality or God's infallible Word.
The only invention comes from you, you strain at a gnat when you pretend you have no clue about the 1 day for a year prophetic lingo in the bible, so WHY GO THAT ROUTE? You already knew it was a proper interpretation analogy.

When Christ is united with His bride; it will not be for a 7-day or 7-year consummation; it will be for eternity!
You are just wrong, on all accounts, God married Israel long ago, we will marry Jesus. Satan loves deceiving people. He has an easy job at times. Here you are trying to debate someone who can explain the whole book of Revelation in one post, about the simple Pre Trib. Rapture. Everything as per a timeline that you buy into has to be warped to not fit the pre trib. rapture timing.

If you want to know when the marriage occurs; you must go to the end of the Tribulation; in Revelation chapter 19; when Jesus returns to the earth as King of kings, and Lord of lords. That is when Scripture teaches the Marriage will occur.
Boom, you do not get that Rev. 19 is the start of the tribulation period, the book is NOT IN ORDER, just like Daniel is NOT in order. Rev. 1 is Jesus in all his Eternal Glory, Rev. 2 & 3 is the Church Age, the number 7 means Divine Completion. The THINGS WHICH ARE = the Church Age. Thus everything after that, starting in Rev. 4:1 is the HEREAFTER or 70th week, the Church is in Heaven now, the 24 Elders represent the 24 Orders of the Priesthood see 1 Chronicles 24, we the Church are called Kings and Priests in Rev. 1:6 and in Rev. 5:9-10. We have White Robes on and Gold Crowns in Rev. 4:4 and we also sit at God's THRONE, now go back to Rev. 2:10, Rev. 3:5 and 3:21 and look real close, those who die in Jesus are promised what? To sit at God's THRONE and to wear Crowns of Gold, and to have on White Robes !! Meaning this is THEV CHURCH in Heaven. We know this by reading Rev. 5:9-10 they say they have been REDEEMED by the blood of Jesus, they are in Heaven, Angels can not be redeemed !! This in Rev. 19 when we see the have not yet Married the Lamb that has to happen BEFORE Rev. 4:4 and Rev. 5:9-10. God jumbled it up on purpose, that is cool with me. I am the unscrambler of Revelation. Thus Rev. 19 covers the full 7 years as does Rev. 14 the Harvest Chapter, we see the 144,000 (5 Million Jews who repent as an ENCODED name tag) on the Mt. but they are really in the Petra/Bozrah region, Jesus only goes tom get them AFTER he defeats Satan, the AC and their minions because Isaiah says he comes in BLOOD STANED Garments. They are shown on the Mt. because that is where the Wheat (Israel) will rule from with Jesus. In Verses 17-20 we see the Wicked Grapes are harvested (the Tares) and we know they are only judged 1000 years later at the 2nd Resurrection when Jesus destroys this earth, and universe. So, in vs. 14 we see a Pre Trib. Cinematic FLASHBACK where Jesus Harvests the Church from where? UPON A CLOUD !! Why is this so hard to grasp?

The Book of Revelation is not in Chronological Order sir. Rev. 2 and 3 is the Church age, Rev. 4, 5 and 6 is after the Rapture but before the middle of the 70th week Wrath of God falls. Rev. 7 is Israel fleeing Juda, at least the 1/3 whom repented, the 2/3 will die. Rev. 8stsrts God's Wrath not Rev. 6, the Seals UNSEAL the Wrath to come, thus Seal #6 merely foretells Trump #4 and Seals 1-5 foretell the Anti Christs coming actions in each case. Rev. 9 is STILL IN ORDER, the first and 2nd Woe emit from the 5th and 6th Trump. Now we have to jump to Rev. 16 (15 & 16 really are one chapter) and that finishes off the 70th week.

Rev. 10, 11, 12, 13, 17 and 18 all cover the 42 months of God's Wrath, but are speaking about specific 1260 day r 42 month events that come to pass there in. We see the exact same even THREE TIMES as per Jesus destroying the AC and his minions, in Rev. 16:19, in Rev. 14:17-20 and in Rev. 19 at Armageddon, they are all three the SAME EVENT !!

Postribber Tony Warren argues in an article on this issue (Jewish Wedding Customs & the Rapture): “If pretribulationists are right, we would expect the wedding and the feast to commence at the beginning of the tribulation, not after the tribulation as Revelation 19 plainly indicates. If Jesus was referring to heaven as the seven years in the 'Chuppah' in John 14:1-3, the bride should have “made herself ready” before the pretribulation rapture (around Rev. 4). And the “marriage of the Lamb” should have occurred at the beginning of the tribulation, and not at its extreme end. The pretribulation scenario has Jesus being intimate with the Bride in the “Chuppah” for seven years before Revelation 19 indicates the wedding occurs!”
Seems he not hip to these facts either. You guys just can not grasp why God jumbles up the book of Revelation, even though you see the same thing with Daniel, come on now. GET WITH IT....

Dr. Robert Gundry contends. "If a purported pretrib coming to fetch the church to heaven is supposed to reflect the ancient Semitic custom of a groom's fetching the bride to his home, what is Jesus' taking the church with Him back to earth right after the marriage supper, and for a thousand years, supposed to reflect
Armageddon is the Marriage Feast. The Bride will not remain on earth read Rev. 20:4 it SPECIFICALLY SAYS, that only those whom were Martyred by the Beast (70th week Gentile Saints who repented during the 70th week) will reign and rule 1000 years with Jesus on earth. Now THINK LOGICALY, God hates idle time and ide people. Jesus being God will not need billions of people on earth to help hm rile. My hunch is, since the New Jerusalem is called the Bride of Christ as it descends, that we go back up into the heavens to build the New Jerusalem, or to complete it in full.

You can't start out for the wrong destination and get to where you are going.
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Zions New Children

It is going to be the Jews who are gong to be doing the animal sacrifices.
Not according to Isaiah 56:6-7 and Ezekiel 40 to 46.
God will have a people in His Holy Land, worshipping in a Temple dedicated to Him. Otherwise; what's the whole Bible all about?
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Wes Huff Responds to Claim the Bible Was ‘Compiled Hundreds of Years’ After Jesus by a ‘Pagan Emperor for Political Reasons’

All the CC did was put together what was already circulating and all was written within the first century. You can't leave any of it out as these are the disciples of Christ and the disciples of the disciples.
Agreed it already existed. They just put an official stamp on it... you know... how authourity likes to do to make themselves authoritative. They wre setting up a religious dynasty contrary to the Gospel of the Kingdom.
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James Comey case: Ex-special counsel John Durham undercut case against James Comey in interview with prosecutors: Sources

Judge orders grand jury material to be given to Comey, citing "disturbing pattern" of DOJ missteps

The judge recognized the magnitude of his decision to allow Comey's lawyers access to the grand jury material, which is typically kept secret, writing in a scathing 24-page decision that he is granting an "extraordinary remedy" to fully protect Comey's legal rights. Fitzpatrick said such a step is warranted because of "the prospect that government misconduct may have tainted the grand jury proceedings."

At a hearing earlier this month, Fitzpatrick admonished the Justice Department for what he said is its posture to "indict first, investigate second." (post #3)

Fitzpatrick himself reviewed the grand jury materials and wrote in his decision that he identified two statements Lindsey Halligan, the interim U.S. attorney in the Eastern District of Virginia, made to the grand jurors that "on their face appear to be fundamental misstatements of the law that could compromise the integrity of the grand jury process."

Fitzpatrick said one statement Halligan made to the grand jury "suggests" that Comey does not have a constitutional right to not testify at trial. The second remark from Halligan suggested that the grand jury "did not have to rely on only the record before them" and that there was "more evidence — perhaps better evidence" that the Justice Department had that would be used at trial, the judge said.

Lots more hinky stuff in full article.
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Can democratic Socialism save America?

I don’t consider Nordic states like Sweden to represent socialism since the government does not own the means of production. So my question still stands. Has socialism worked anywhere?

I agree. But I think that even the Nordic states that are under a social democracy have issues that are progressively getting worse. As an example here an AI response to the problems affecting Sweden.

AI Overview




Major problems with social democracy in Sweden in recent decades include a
rapid rise in inequality, the erosion of the traditional welfare state, and significant political fragmentation, including the rise of the far-right Sweden Democrats.

Economic Challenges
  • Rising Inequality: Sweden has become one of the most unequal countries in the OECD in terms of wealth distribution, with the number of billionaires per capita exceeding even the United States. This trend is attributed to tax policies that favor capital income over labor income and a shift towards the "knowledge economy".
  • Weakening Worker Power: The decline of union strength and collective bargaining has worsened conditions for the working class, leading to an increase in temporary employment (which disproportionately affects low-skill workers) and a stagnation or decline in real wages for poorer households.
  • Welfare State Strain: The financial basis of the welfare state has been eroded by numerous tax cuts and demographic changes. This has resulted in a pressured healthcare system, concerns about the quality and profit margins of privatized social care companies, and a general challenge to the performance of public services.

Political and Social Challenges
  • Abandonment of the Working Class: The Social Democratic Party (SAP) shifted its focus to the middle class and adopted neoliberal policies after losing elections in the mid-2200s (mid-2000s). This alienated a large part of its traditional working-class base, whose support for the party dropped significantly.
  • Rise of the Far-Right: The Sweden Democrats (SD), a far-right populist party with an anti-immigrant agenda, have seen their support surge, becoming the second-largest party in the Swedish Parliament in the 2022 election. Their rise has been fueled by concerns over immigration, integration challenges, and a feeling among some voters of being left behind by traditional parties.
  • Political Instability: The rise of the SD and the fragmentation of the political landscape have made inter-party collaboration difficult, challenging Sweden's historical consensus-oriented decision-making model and leading to weak minority governments.
  • Integration Issues and Gang Violence: Sweden has faced challenges with the integration of a high number of immigrants, which has been linked to socioeconomic problems and a significant increase in gang violence in some urban areas.
These issues indicate a significant shift from Sweden's post-war "golden era" of social democracy, pointing to a range of complex, interconnected problems that challenge the long-standing model.
So, what is your answer, or who do you think has the answer?
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Can democratic Socialism save America?

I'm surprised you didn't say, dictatorship. I was wrong about this one. The Constitution doesn't support an authoritarian government but Communism isn't necessarily authoritarian.
You can utter those words, but there is no way for Communism to work except under an authoritarian government.

Human beings don't share naturally. Some will hoard their benefits, others will slack off (hoarding their labor).

And human beings will always become envious of others they perceive as being "better off" in any way.

A classless society is impossible, given human nature. During slavery in the US, slaves perceived a "class difference" of house slaves and field slaves, even though they were all slaves.

The only way you keep that controlled in a Communist economy is by an authoritarian government.
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Can democratic Socialism save America?

Social Democracy
I don’t consider Nordic states like Sweden to represent socialism since the government does not own the means of production. So my question still stands. Has socialism worked anywhere?
. The US is really already a Social Democracy "lite".
AI generated:
Social democracy is a political ideology and economic system that blends a capitalist market economy with a strong social safety net and government regulation. It seeks to balance individual liberty with social justice, aiming to achieve this by using democratic and lawful means to create a more equitable society through public services like universal healthcare and education, and through regulations that ensure fair pay and worker protections.
I agree. But I think that even the Nordic states that are under a social democracy have issues that are progressively getting worse. As an example here an AI response to the problems affecting Sweden.

AI Overview




Major problems with social democracy in Sweden in recent decades include a
rapid rise in inequality, the erosion of the traditional welfare state, and significant political fragmentation, including the rise of the far-right Sweden Democrats.

Economic Challenges
  • Rising Inequality: Sweden has become one of the most unequal countries in the OECD in terms of wealth distribution, with the number of billionaires per capita exceeding even the United States. This trend is attributed to tax policies that favor capital income over labor income and a shift towards the "knowledge economy".
  • Weakening Worker Power: The decline of union strength and collective bargaining has worsened conditions for the working class, leading to an increase in temporary employment (which disproportionately affects low-skill workers) and a stagnation or decline in real wages for poorer households.
  • Welfare State Strain: The financial basis of the welfare state has been eroded by numerous tax cuts and demographic changes. This has resulted in a pressured healthcare system, concerns about the quality and profit margins of privatized social care companies, and a general challenge to the performance of public services.

Political and Social Challenges
  • Abandonment of the Working Class: The Social Democratic Party (SAP) shifted its focus to the middle class and adopted neoliberal policies after losing elections in the mid-2200s (mid-2000s). This alienated a large part of its traditional working-class base, whose support for the party dropped significantly.
  • Rise of the Far-Right: The Sweden Democrats (SD), a far-right populist party with an anti-immigrant agenda, have seen their support surge, becoming the second-largest party in the Swedish Parliament in the 2022 election. Their rise has been fueled by concerns over immigration, integration challenges, and a feeling among some voters of being left behind by traditional parties.
  • Political Instability: The rise of the SD and the fragmentation of the political landscape have made inter-party collaboration difficult, challenging Sweden's historical consensus-oriented decision-making model and leading to weak minority governments.
  • Integration Issues and Gang Violence: Sweden has faced challenges with the integration of a high number of immigrants, which has been linked to socioeconomic problems and a significant increase in gang violence in some urban areas.
These issues indicate a significant shift from Sweden's post-war "golden era" of social democracy, pointing to a range of complex, interconnected problems that challenge the long-standing model.
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Do the Ten Commandments still apply under the new covenant today?

By believe in Jesus..John 3:16
AND CHRIST'S. had not yet BEEN. CRUCIFIED. and His blood shed as HEB. 9:18. says to all !!

I T. was ATONEMENT that had to GO !!

The LAW COULD NEVER SAVE as it. was only given to ISRAEL , PERIOD. and Israel was set aside in. ACTS 25-28

and ISA 6:1-13 Also says why !!

And if you believe that the LAW. is still in. EFFECT than. you have an ALTER a PRIEST and LAMB for your

SACIFICE. for your SINS. , so do you. ??

AND IF YOU BELIEVE THAT THE NEW COVENANT. is for today , HOW WILL YOU BE SAVED TOCAY. ??

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No Mayor - you cannot control privately owned businesses - if they want to leave, they can.

The right way to do it is to let free enterprise take over. I have been in the poorest neighborhoods of cities all over the world and while food is sometimes scarce or in limited variety there are never any food "deserts" where nobody is selling food at all. There's always a vegetable stand on the corner or a guy with a handcart, people sitting by a box of fruit. If you want something to make supper out of you never have to take more than a few steps from your door.
While I think the concept of food deserts is overblown, free markets aren't a panacea, either, because they only solve problems where there's profit to be made. Poor people, by definition, have less money to spend, so the market isn't necessarily going to provide them the things they need the most.
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