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Not Yours To Own

Go, lay your life down.
It’s not yours to own.
It’s bought with a price,
With blood, shed, atoned.

Our Lord paid the price
So we could be free
From slavery to sin,
His servants to be.

We now die to sin,
And obey our Lord,
And walk in His love,
All in one accord.

Sin must not control
How we are to live,
For we now serve Christ,
Our lives to Him give.

We go where He says,
And speak His commands.
We follow His lead.
On Him we depend.

He now rules our lives,
Not flesh and not self,
For by his good grace
We put self on the shelf.

So living for Him
Is now what we do,
For our sinful lives
He came to undo.

All praises to Him.
From God comes His grace,
So we can now run
And win in the race.

An Original Work / December 10, 2025
Christ’s Free Servant, Sue J Love

WHO'S GOSPEL IS TO BE PREACHED TODAY. ??

And GLAD to see you AND I LOVE when all would give a verse for your belief. and always GLAD to exchange

anyone. POSOITIONS. and as you know that I always GIVE. with the GREEK WORD and tying to explain what the TENSE
CASES so that everyone will see that I have NOT ADDED or . TALKEN AWAY. from. any verse and any one will. see that OLD

COVEMNANT has been TAKEN AWAY. and Heb 9:18. says that the blood of ANIMAL does not take AWAY TAKE. AWAY
SIN. and that ONLY the JESUS BLOOD. can take away sin. to be SAVED and remember EPH 1:3 CHOSEN

IN. him. BEFORE // PRO the OVER THROW. of the WORLD. !!

And. if. the NEW COVENANT for today , no one has yet explained how anyone is saved by the NEW COVENANT. !!

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Most assuredly, I say to you, he who believes in Me has everlasting life.
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Ellen White on the mark of the beast for those that worship on Sunday

@Studyman

Here is my OP again. I’m going to post real slow so you can comprehend what I am posting. No AI was used.

“The writings of Ellen White, a prophet of the Seventh Day Adventist church, teach that those who worship on Sunday will receive the mark of the beast and will reject the seal of God. In other words, the vast majority of Christians are doomed for worshipping our Lord on Sunday instead of Saturday.

(These are my own words. No AI here)


Here are her writings:


(“Her” refers to Ellen White in case you missed it)

Reception of Mark of the Beast Future
—The change of the Sabbath is the sign or mark of the authority of the Romish church.

@Studyman

Here is my OP again. I’m going to post real slow so you can comprehend what I am posting. No AI was used.

“The writings of Ellen White, a prophet of the Seventh Day Adventist church, teach that those who worship on Sunday will receive the mark of the beast and will reject the seal of God. In other words, the vast majority of Christians are doomed for worshipping our Lord on Sunday instead of Saturday.

(These are my own words. No AI here)


Here are her writings:


(“Her” refers to Ellen White in case you missed it)

Reception of Mark of the Beast Future
"The change of the Sabbath" is the sign or mark of the authority of the Romish church.

There is nothing here about worshipping on Sunday, Monday or any day of the week, as causing men to receive "the mark of the beast". As I said, and you completely ignored, the issue is the "re-writing" of a Commandment of God. Miller and White contested the Roman Catholics authority to re-write God's Commandments. That is the issue. It has nothing to do with what day to worship God, as no one is saying not to worship God on any day.

Here is your sermon; “The writings of Ellen White, a prophet of the Seventh Day Adventist church, teach that those "who worship on Sunday" will receive the mark of the beast and will reject the seal of God. In other words, the vast majority of Christians are doomed for worshipping our Lord on Sunday instead of Saturday.

There is no one, including SDA, that is forbidding the worship of God on any day of the week, let alone Sunday. It's right there in your own AI generated post. The issue is the Change of the Commandment.


I find it so amazing that you can not grasp this simple truth that is revealed on the very first sentence of your AI generated post.
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Ellen White on the mark of the beast for those that worship on Sunday

Well
Yep. I do, however, the SDA considers the 4th commandment to be a moral commandment. This means that those going to services on Sunday are sinning and if they don’t repent then they are lost. Quite the legalism.
, a person who is under the law, the Ten Commandments, is indeed bound to keep them all however the church is not under the Ten Commandments and Is free to worship GOD every day. I feel only one day is insufficient when you live your life n Christ. The church is under the two greatest of all commandments Jesus gave us. The rest of the unconverted are under the Ten Commandments until they come to Christ. Remember, the law, the Ten Commandments, are a schoolmaster to us before our conversion but afterwards we no longer need a schoolmaster. The law was to show us we are sinners under a death sentence with the only escape being a messiah with a new covenant.
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B flat B♭

I had a look at a few of them. No jagged edges, especially when you zoom in.

Hard to get a high res photo anyway. Find me something credible where you can see the rest of the moon and maybe I’ll change my mind. Just kidding I won’t.

That is what you are full of.

Something’s wong.

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Dear Pete Hegseth, I’m Grateful the Japanese Navy Spared My Grandfather’s Life

Terrorist enemy combatants
It takes two to tango. Combatants is defined as "a person or nation engaged in fighting during a war." In this case, it's only Americans involved. Venezuela isn't at war with the US. That means that the people on the boats weren't combatants, since they are not at war with America.
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There’s a Giant Flaw in Human History

Tempates? Not sure what those are in this context. I thought his neurons were repeatedly firing in the same wrong way.

There are posters who get caught in loops and obsessions (mr. thalidomide comes to mind) and keep coming back to the same things even when not applicable.

It is so weird, since even the video in the first post is about physical evidence of civilization and settlement earlier than previously appreciated plus a bit of speculation.
Maybe @stevevw shows a bit more more variety in his responses to you but in my case the template is the same tired old script, images presented as evidence when in reality they do not even represent what he thinks they are and the absence of peer reviewed reports refuting his pseudoscience.
What we are observing is classic cognitive dissonance, he retreats into delusion when his faith based arguments are brought into question.
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Donald Trump Says US To Launch Land Action in Venezuela ‘Very Soon’

Trump says U.S. seized oil tanker off the coast of Venezuela

U.S. forces have seized an oil tanker off the coast of Venezuela, President Donald Trump said Wednesday.

“We’ve just seized a tanker on the coast of Venezuela — a large tanker,” Trump said during a meeting in the Roosevelt Room at the White House. He provided no detail on who owned the tanker or its destination.

[Trump] would not rule out a ground invasion of the South American nation.

(Ok, armchair generals, what sort of response would be justified for this provocation?)
That sounds like piracy to me.
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RFK Adjusts Hepatitis B Vaccine Recommendations; Democrats Lose Their Minds

Did you see the increase in number of VAERS repots during COVID? Even though there were clearly fake reports, exactly how many reports do you think constitutes a "significant trend"? There's no doubt there's "noise" in this data, but there's also some very real "trends"that warranted further investigation. That didn't stop the government and public health from telling everyone to get vaccinated multiple times per year. Their booster recommendations during the Biden administration resulted in the top two vaccine regulators at the FDA resigning in protest.

The bottom line is, what you're saying sounds great. If VAERS were used in the way you explain, it would be a wonderful system to identify risks and pivot accordingly. But that's not what happens in practice. In practice, people pretend like the fact that there were over 1,000,000 VAERS reports in a single year when the previous high was around 60K is all just "noise" worthy of being ignored.

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I'm by no means an expert on VAERS, but health care professionals didn't ignore the VAERS reports on the COVID vaccine, as you are claiming they did. They go out and collect more data and determine if the reports are legitimate. The vast majority of those reports were no doubt determined to be not related to the vaccine. And this determination was made by health care professionals who go out and look at actual evidence.

Also - COVID was a highly politicized pandemic. It was also the most widespread pandemic to take place in the age of the internet - an age where false information spreads very rapidly. With those factors in mind, it is very much believable that we would see a spike in false/inaccurate reports in the VAERS system like had never been seem before. It was a global event unlike anything we have seen in recent history.
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‘Joseph Didn’t Make It’—Chicago-Area Church Updates Already Controversial Nativity Scene

So are political messages the norm in USA churches?

No, but sometimes issues of ethics intersect with issues of faith, and issues of public policy can in turn intersect with issues of ethics. The church shouldn't be saying "elect Joe Smith for Senate", but the church might be called to say "this government policy is unjust". It's not always an easy line to draw.
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Ellen White on the mark of the beast for those that worship on Sunday

What if you worship the Lord 7 days a week ?
Yep. I do, however, the SDA considers the 4th commandment to be a moral commandment. This means that those going to services on Sunday are sinning and if they don’t repent then they are lost. Quite the legalism.
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Adam

I haven't heard of a metaphorical Adam but there is a deeper meaning of Adam than the literal. It's allegorical.
What then, were the authors of Genesis 2-3 and of Romans 5, who both speak of Adam, intending to convey? Genesis 2-3 does not show any of signs of “exalted prose narrative” or poetry. It reads as the account of real events; it looks like history.
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Ellen White on the mark of the beast for those that worship on Sunday

@Studyman

Here is my OP again. I’m going to post real slow so you can comprehend what I am posting. No AI was used.

“The writings of Ellen White, a prophet of the Seventh Day Adventist church, teach that those who worship on Sunday will receive the mark of the beast and will reject the seal of God. In other words, the vast majority of Christians are doomed for worshipping our Lord on Sunday instead of Saturday.

(These are my own words. No AI here)


Here are her writings:


(“Her” refers to Ellen White in case you missed it)

Reception of Mark of the Beast Future
—The change of the Sabbath is the sign or mark of the authority of the Romish church. Those who, understanding the claims of the fourth commandment, choose to observe the false sabbath in the place of the true, are thereby paying homage to that power by which alone it is commanded. The mark of the beast is the papal sabbath, which has been accepted by the world in the place of the day of God’s appointment. Ev 234.1
No one has yet received the mark of the beast. The testing time has not yet come. There are true Christians in every church, not excepting the Roman Catholic communion. None are condemned until they have had the light and have seen the obligation of the fourth commandment. But when the decree shall go forth enforcing the counterfeit sabbath, and the loud cry of the third angel shall warn men against the worship of the beast and his image, the line will be clearly drawn between the false and the true. Then those who still continue in transgression will receive the mark of the beast. Ev 234.2
With rapid steps we are approaching this period. When Protestant churches shall unite with the secular power to sustain a false religion, for opposing which their ancestors endured the fiercest persecution, then will the papal sabbath be enforced by the combined authority of church and state. There will be a national apostasy, which will end only in national ruin.—Manuscript 51, 1899. Ev 235.1
When Seal of God Is Refused—If the light of truth has been presented to you, revealing the Sabbath of the fourth commandment, and showing that there is no foundation in the Word of God for Sunday observance, and yet you still cling to the false sabbath, refusing to keep holy the Sabbath which God calls “My holy day,” you receive the mark of the beast. When does this take place? When you obey the decree that commands you to cease from labor on Sunday and worship God, while you know that there is not a word in the Bible showing Sunday to be other than a common working day, you consent to receive the mark of the beast, and refuse the seal of God.—The Review and Herald, July 13, 1897. Ev 235.2
As a Result of Disregard of Light—God has given men the Sabbath as a sign between Him and them, as a test of their loyalty. Those who, after the light regarding God’s law comes to them, continue to disobey and exalt human laws above the law of God in the great crisis before us will receive the mark of the beast.—Letter 98, 1900. Ev 235.3
Caution in Presenting the Sunday Question—[We are] not to provoke those who have accepted this spurious sabbath, an institution of the Papacy in the place of God’s holy Sabbath. Their not having the Bible arguments in their favor makes them all the more angry and determined to supply the place of arguments that are wanting in the Word of God by the power of their might. The force of persecution follows the steps of the dragon. Therefore great care should be exercised to give no provocation.—Letter 55, 1886. Ev 235.4
Let the Truth Do the Cutting—Satan’s efforts against the advocates of the truth will wax more bitter and determined to the very close of time. As in Christ’s day the chief priests and rulers stirred up the people against Him, so today the religious leaders will excite bitterness and prejudice against the truth for this time. The people will be led to acts of violence and opposition which they would never have thought of had they not been imbued with the animosity of professed Christians against the truth. Ev 236.1
And what course shall the advocates of truth pursue? They have the unchangeable, eternal Word of God, and they should reveal the fact that they have the truth as it is in Jesus. Their words must not be rugged and sharp. In their presentation of truth they must manifest the love and meekness and gentleness of Christ. Let the truth do the cutting; the Word of God is as a sharp, two-edged sword, and will cut its way to the heart. Those who know that they have the truth should not, by the use of harsh and severe expressions, give Satan one chance to misinterpret their spirit.—The Review and Herald, October 14, 1902. Ev 236.2
A Call to Enlighten the Masses—I have been shown that Satan is stealing a march upon us. The law of God, through the agency of Satan, is to be made void. In our land of boasted freedom, religious liberty will come to an end. The contest will be decided over the Sabbath question, which will agitate the whole world. Ev 236.3
Our time for work is limited, and God calls us as ministers and people to be minutemen. Teachers as wise as serpents and as harmless as doves must come to the help of the Lord, to the help of the Lord against the mighty. There are many who do not understand the prophecies relating to these days, and they must be enlightened.—Letter 1, 1875. Ev 237.1

(These are Ellen White’s words from the LINK below. If you don’t know how to open it then just click on the blue word evangelism. No AI here).



Is Ellen White correct? Are those that worship our Lord on Sunday doomed to receive the mark of the beast?

(These are also my words. No AI here).
What if you worship the Lord 7 days a week ?
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The Saving results of the Death of Christ !

Respectfully, if all you are doing is copying my words into ChatGPT and pasting the output, I will not continue to engage. That approach is disrespectful. I am taking the time to offer careful, reasoned responses, and you are outsourcing the work to an AI and presenting it as a substantive objection. That is not argumentation; it is merely being argumentative. If you lack the Greek to respond yourself, either defer to someone who does or offer a different, thoughtful objection. Don't copy-paste something just to have something to say.

Past examples in this and other of our discussions have shown that ChatGPT outputs are only partially accurate, especially when it isn't given the full context. I've also shown that you often don't understand what you're even sharing. Once, for example, you pasted a response agreeing with a point I made, and missed it entirely, thinking ChatGPT was objecting to what I said. I will treat further ChatGPT copy-paste jobs as concessions. I will not read them.

What your latest copy-paste job also shows is you are missing the substance of my argument (which, again, invites the question, what prompt did you give ChatGPT?). I have never claimed that διδακτοὶ θεοῦ, as a grammatical form, by itself necessitates monergism. Adjectives do not encode causal mechanics. My point is that, in John 6:44-45, the syntax and discourse logic, especially in light of the Isaiah citation, demonstrates that διδακτοὶ θεοῦ describes the result of God's sovereign action, not the mere offering of instruction. It is a predicate adjective of state, reflecting a completed, effectual divine act.

The question is not what the adjective can mean in isolation, but what it denotes in context. The text presents a causal and logical sequence: those who are drawn (ἑλκύσῃ) are "God-taught" (διδακτοὶ θεοῦ) and thereby possess the capacity to come. This is not contingent or optional; the state described is the effect of God's action, enabling coming to Christ.

Moreover, the aorist participles ἀκούσας … καὶ μαθών ("who has heard and learned") indicate antecedent action. They describe those who come as already having heard and learned form the Father, precisely what "being God-taught" entails.
I copied my whole previous post and your whole previous post and asked the ChatGPT if you were right.

Now it does not sound like you argue against my previous statement: "The text does not explain why they listen and learn, why they are God-taught. It simply presents these as qualities of those whom God draws."
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Ellen White on the mark of the beast for those that worship on Sunday

@Studyman

Here is my OP again. I’m going to post real slow so you can comprehend what I am posting. No AI was used.

“The writings of Ellen White, a prophet of the Seventh Day Adventist church, teach that those who worship on Sunday will receive the mark of the beast and will reject the seal of God. In other words, the vast majority of Christians are doomed for worshipping our Lord on Sunday instead of Saturday.

(These are my own words. No AI here)


Here are her writings:


(“Her” refers to Ellen White in case you missed it)

Reception of Mark of the Beast Future
—The change of the Sabbath is the sign or mark of the authority of the Romish church. Those who, understanding the claims of the fourth commandment, choose to observe the false sabbath in the place of the true, are thereby paying homage to that power by which alone it is commanded. The mark of the beast is the papal sabbath, which has been accepted by the world in the place of the day of God’s appointment. Ev 234.1
No one has yet received the mark of the beast. The testing time has not yet come. There are true Christians in every church, not excepting the Roman Catholic communion. None are condemned until they have had the light and have seen the obligation of the fourth commandment. But when the decree shall go forth enforcing the counterfeit sabbath, and the loud cry of the third angel shall warn men against the worship of the beast and his image, the line will be clearly drawn between the false and the true. Then those who still continue in transgression will receive the mark of the beast. Ev 234.2
With rapid steps we are approaching this period. When Protestant churches shall unite with the secular power to sustain a false religion, for opposing which their ancestors endured the fiercest persecution, then will the papal sabbath be enforced by the combined authority of church and state. There will be a national apostasy, which will end only in national ruin.—Manuscript 51, 1899. Ev 235.1
When Seal of God Is Refused—If the light of truth has been presented to you, revealing the Sabbath of the fourth commandment, and showing that there is no foundation in the Word of God for Sunday observance, and yet you still cling to the false sabbath, refusing to keep holy the Sabbath which God calls “My holy day,” you receive the mark of the beast. When does this take place? When you obey the decree that commands you to cease from labor on Sunday and worship God, while you know that there is not a word in the Bible showing Sunday to be other than a common working day, you consent to receive the mark of the beast, and refuse the seal of God.—The Review and Herald, July 13, 1897. Ev 235.2
As a Result of Disregard of Light—God has given men the Sabbath as a sign between Him and them, as a test of their loyalty. Those who, after the light regarding God’s law comes to them, continue to disobey and exalt human laws above the law of God in the great crisis before us will receive the mark of the beast.—Letter 98, 1900. Ev 235.3
Caution in Presenting the Sunday Question—[We are] not to provoke those who have accepted this spurious sabbath, an institution of the Papacy in the place of God’s holy Sabbath. Their not having the Bible arguments in their favor makes them all the more angry and determined to supply the place of arguments that are wanting in the Word of God by the power of their might. The force of persecution follows the steps of the dragon. Therefore great care should be exercised to give no provocation.—Letter 55, 1886. Ev 235.4
Let the Truth Do the Cutting—Satan’s efforts against the advocates of the truth will wax more bitter and determined to the very close of time. As in Christ’s day the chief priests and rulers stirred up the people against Him, so today the religious leaders will excite bitterness and prejudice against the truth for this time. The people will be led to acts of violence and opposition which they would never have thought of had they not been imbued with the animosity of professed Christians against the truth. Ev 236.1
And what course shall the advocates of truth pursue? They have the unchangeable, eternal Word of God, and they should reveal the fact that they have the truth as it is in Jesus. Their words must not be rugged and sharp. In their presentation of truth they must manifest the love and meekness and gentleness of Christ. Let the truth do the cutting; the Word of God is as a sharp, two-edged sword, and will cut its way to the heart. Those who know that they have the truth should not, by the use of harsh and severe expressions, give Satan one chance to misinterpret their spirit.—The Review and Herald, October 14, 1902. Ev 236.2
A Call to Enlighten the Masses—I have been shown that Satan is stealing a march upon us. The law of God, through the agency of Satan, is to be made void. In our land of boasted freedom, religious liberty will come to an end. The contest will be decided over the Sabbath question, which will agitate the whole world. Ev 236.3
Our time for work is limited, and God calls us as ministers and people to be minutemen. Teachers as wise as serpents and as harmless as doves must come to the help of the Lord, to the help of the Lord against the mighty. There are many who do not understand the prophecies relating to these days, and they must be enlightened.—Letter 1, 1875. Ev 237.1

(These are Ellen White’s words from the LINK below. If you don’t know how to open it then just click on the blue word evangelism. No AI here).



Is Ellen White correct? Are those that worship our Lord on Sunday doomed to receive the mark of the beast?

(These are also my words. No AI here).
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Kirk Cameron Takes Heat for His Annihilationist View on Hell

I had read sometime ago that he no longer believed in a pretrib rapture as those stories portray. Good for him. No offense to those who believe otherwise but I personally do not find it biblical as well.
Jesus did not believe in a pretrib rapture either. People simply made it up.
And now he's turning on the ECT doctrine. That's amazing. Maybe he decided to search out these truths on his own instead of always letting others lead the way.
It is sad because so many people look up to him and expect him to have all the answers. But he doesn't and neither do we. Some verses we may struggle with for years until we get a firm understanding. But he is still a brother in Christ.
Now one verse that shows an eternal consciousness while in hell is Daniel 12:2. It gives a contrast of two different people groups. The first being those who are brought to life and go to heaven, and then those who do not go to heaven. It says that these people who do not go to heaven have everlasting shame and contempt. Shame and contempt cannot be possible if a person is not conscious. Those in Hell will have everlasting shame and contempt and consciousness.
And many of those who sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, Some to everlasting life, Some to shame and everlasting contempt. Daniel 12:2
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DreamyLaLa's Art

I thought I'd blow the dust off this thread and post here again since it has been almost a year!:oops: To celebrate Christmas season, I thought I'd share a design of mine that was originally made for a calendar that I gave as a gift to my sister last Christmas. It features my two characters, Vanille and Lacage, wearing wintry outfits and holding a plum pudding cake. I drew the characters myself, but the background was designed using Canva, a graphic design program.
Genevieve's 2025 Calendar Jan-Jun).jpg
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