Kilauea Eruption (Episode 34)​

October 1st. Fountains from both vents . The south vent reached heights of 400 m (1,300 ft.)

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Oompa Loompa said:

That is fine, but a poster claimed my statements were contradictory...

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That she is and has been critical of certain aspects of US foreign policy is not in doubt. As you know, and as anyone can see reading your posts, that wasn't the point you were making.

Stopped_lurking said:

So the two best vases can be traced to 1979 and 1968, that's not impressive provenance.

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First its no just two vases. These were the most impressive. But many others fell within the precision class and on par with modern machining. Were well above the orthodox methods in being made that way.

I think some perspective needs to be made when we are talking about the so called lesser precise vases from the two mentioned. We are talking about what amounts to a human hair or two in the best ones in deviation and around 3 or 4 thicknesses of paper at worst of the ones below this within the precision class.

Thats at their worst which is usually the widest parts of the vase. Other measurements in places such as faltness and roundness of lips, necks alignments of handles ect are still within similar precision to the two best vases.

Second this is only one test. There are several others that add to the list of precision vases. The best one from the tests done by Karoyl from the Petrie museum coming in at 0.004 on the outside and amazingly 0.003 on an inch on the inside. But also several fell within the modern machining precision and certainly impossible by the orthodox method on the walls or tried in experiments.

Third we have machine marks. Forget about all the metrology. The fact that they have witness marks of modern machining and not the signatures of the orthodox method is direct evidence for the method.

So together the machining marks and the near precision this adds up to clear evidence that the tech and knowledge these ancients had is above what the orthodox narrative of bent sticks and bow saw methods. In fact there was no bow saws, bent stick cutters or even the potters wheel. This is the out of place evidence.

Stopped_lurking said:

Mind is what the brain does. Electric activity in the brain is experienced as our mind and conciousness by the brain.

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Yes just as I said, material science sees consciouness as an epiphenomena of the electrical signals in the brain which is the physical processes and causes. Everything can be explained by these physical/material processes. There is nothing real beyond this.

So all the religions, beliefs, and experiences had for the majority of human history by the majority of humans is all an epiphenomena and in one way of another it is unreal as far as giving any deeper knowledge of the world and reality. Its make belief, superstition, imagination, even illusion or delusion as far as giving any real knowledge of the world.

Apart from helping humans survive of course. Which is just another way of saying that its a by produce of evolutionary processes which have no regard for meaning, belief, gods ect as real by aids to survival such as coperation. Is that right.

Stopped_lurking said:

Matt Beall kluster 2 is the imprecise class, as you can see V18 is not included and all the modern vases are mostly better than kluster 2 (also observe that this figure is not plotted on logarithmic scale). They overlap with the Petrie and Olgas vase.
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Here's a plot showing both kluster 1 and kluster 2 from here (Precision and Classification of Predynastic Egyptian Stone Vessels: REVISED)
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Even if true, what does saying ancient technology and lost knowledge contribute?

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A lot actually. First it recognises that there is advanced knowledge that may have been lost. I find this ironic in modern times because its been a big political issue about how Indigenous people have been losing their knowledge to western colonialisation and wesrern science imposing its parpadigms on Indigneous peoples.

If there is lost advanced knowledge that could produce such works and feats then it would be good to try and investigate what exactly this was. That skeptics think its nothing to discover in how they see it. BUt what if there are alternative ways of knowing the world and reality itself that may help in understanding reality.

Like I said its almost as though modern thinking and ideas are returning to something transcedent in possible ways of explaing reality because after a few hundred years of enlightened science and dispite coming up with all sorts of material explainations we are at a loss as far as unifying physics and many anomelies in the sciences.

These anomelies and contraditions in our theories are not for a lack of more research and material explanations. BUt are categorically the wrong kind of explanations and knowledge.

It reminds me of the antedote of how the worlds bests academics are climbing the mountain of information and explanations of find the truth to existence and reality. Only to find an ancient Monk meditating and saying "I've been waiting for you" lol.

Stopped_lurking said:

No, the vases with good provenance does not show that kind of precision.

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I think you losing sight of the forrest through the trees. The vases you think don't fall into the high precision of near perfect are still high precision as far as the times they were made. They still fall within modern machining tech method. They have witness marks of machining on them.

They could not have been made by the methods claimed and in fact there was no such methods in that time. So even if we say the vases are a fair way of perfect. They are still within the range of modern maching and there was not even a potters wheel around. If we drop the precision to (roughly precise) suddenly we have literally dozens with excellect provedence to contend with that clearly show could not have been made by the orthodox method as there was no such method in existence.

To add to this if you want to say that perhaps some fairly good potters wheel or advanced bent stick device may have made these. Then you have the same problem that skeptics are saying that because we have not found such devices that this is just spectulation.

I see a lot of Christians promoting homeschooling online. It sounds wonderful, but we don't live in a bubble either. What happens when you get a job & your coworkers have little fear of the Lord? Would they even hire you? What happens when temptation comes calling? What happens when you're exposed to the horrors of the world we live in, & the reality is the world is full of sin & sinful people & the consequences of that sin? I don't understand how homeschooling can produce people who need to function in the real world. & I don't mean this b/c 'they're too different'. I mean this, like, the world is very different from the world these homeschoolers seem to think their child is going to live in, like they somehow think the world is a Christian Paradise their child is going to live in someday when they're older, & that's not reality. Heck, I can't even go to church & can't help but think 'back to reality' when I step out. Jesus says 'I'm sending you out as sheep amongst wolves.' That's the reality Jesus says you live in

Bradskii said:

Reasons are not determined in a vacuum. As I said, they are informed by your upbringing, your age, your gender, your politics, your religion, your nationality etc etc etc. To that end they are relative to the individual.

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In other words, your wants.

Otherwise moral argumentation would go something along the lines of - I ought to act thus because I am 18 years of age, I am a male, I am left wing, I am a Buddhist, I am Thai.

But that's not how moral argumentation goes.

It is not what you are doing here, for example.

Hvizsgyak said:

Since you don't seem to be a believer (you may but from your comments, it doesn't sound like it), you probably have no problem performing an abortion on an alive unborn child. But there are many, may doctors and medical staff who are disgusted by abortion. And they may just work more in Christian Hospitals that have the guidelines - No Abortions Performed Here. So as our good friend EssentiaSaltes poorly points out that:



He doesn't realize that "real" people have to perform these abortions (against their moral judgement which can be very damaging to a person's psyche). You people think killing an unborn child is nothing. You are the barbarians. We have a God who despises the murdering of unborn children and His followers feel the same way and they practice medicine in Christian Hospitals.

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You don’t Ned to be a pro life Christian to work in these Catholic hospitals. I’m sure at least one of their OB doctors has no issue with abortion ending an unviable pregnancy.

Oompa Loompa said:

So it was a gag note from a Three Stooges episode? What does this have to do with American politics? Should this be in the entertainment section?

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A picture says a thousand words...

timothyu said:

I didn't say that lol but yes, some do choose to do so, going with the flow, thinking in not doing God's will that they will still get a reprieve. Even Christianity went back to the flow and rejected the ways of the Kingdom which run opposite, parable of the Sower and all that, falling back into the world.

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Ok, and I didnt say-or think you meant- that it's ok to go with the flow-only that it's easier while we're here which is really kind of a given. And I agree-there's lots of "Christian" theology out there that seems to make it ok to disobey, almost laudable to remain in one's sins as if that's some kind of humility or something.

BCP1928 said:

What I understand is that she has been vocally and incisively critical of our foreign policy, and I applaud her for it.

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That is fine, but a poster claimed my statements were contradictory only to resort to personal accusations when I demonstrated my statements were not.

RamiC said:

I am not God, I cannot keep anyone out of heaven, I do not have the key.

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Yes, I've heard that story before: Not me, but God.

No, it's just you, kind of. In light of Mark 4:15 I wouldn't even say it's you

RamiC said:

Jesus saves those who ask to be saved, and mean it.

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Oh, you mean God is only "contingent" upon man? Is that for real?

God can't save enemies of the Gospel? Are you sure? Romans 11:26-32 shows otherwise.

RamiC said:

He does not force those who do not wish to go.

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Don't you know that people are slaves to our adversary? Who says that's only their decision when there's another party in this deal? Why doesn't your position have a factor for blinded slaves, you know, like you and i were prior to? Eph. 2:2

Colo Millz said:

Which, if they are not based on objective standards, are merely your wants.

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They are based on objective facts. How I interpret them will be informed by many factors as I just noted above.

Colo Millz said:

If we appeal to reason, then morality has an objective reference point (it’s about what fits human nature, flourishing, or consistency of principle). Without that, it collapses into subjective preference - “I choose what I like.”

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Reasons are not determined in a vacuum. As I said, they are informed by your upbringing, your age, your gender, your politics, your religion, your nationality etc etc etc. To that end they are relative to the individual.

NxNW said:

This is false.

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Prove it false!

I don't think Christians s/ really use dating apps b/c I think it's trying to force God's hand & results in hookup culture & frustrated people, but I understand there's exceptions.

This app seems stupid. It's just fueling 'there's no good men, we can't trust them'

Bradskii said:

I can give you reasons if you like.

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Which, if they are not based on objective standards, are merely your wants.

FBI fires longtime employee and agent trainee who displayed Pride flag, sources say​

In a previous non-agent role with the FBI, the employee, who received multiple awards for service during his career, had also been a field office diversity program coordinator and displayed a Pride flag at his workstation, sources said.

In notifying the individual of their dismissal, Patel did not specifically mention the Pride flag by name, but said the agent trainee was being summarily dismissed for past “poor judgment” and “an inappropriate display of political signage,” sources said.

Two FBI veterans told CNN displaying the flag at one’s desk historically would not violate any past FBI policy. However, since taking office, President Donald Trump has vowed to rid the federal government of what he calls “woke” ideology.

Colo Millz said:

Based on nothing but your collection of wants.

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Partly. I don't want to see a guy beating a woman. But I can give you reasons if you like. Which informs what I want. Or rather what I prefer. Although in this case they are one and the same.

Have you thought about the time the kid is forced to stay in her room and when it becomes immoral to keep her there?

essentialsaltes said:

Head of Eisenhower library resigns after sword spat with Trump administration​

The head of a presidential library resigned this week after a tug-of-war with the Trump administration over gift selection and a sword for King Charles III, sources familiar with the matter told CBS News.

Todd Arrington, a career historian who previously held posts with the National Park Service and National Archives and Records Administration, said he stepped down on Monday under pressure as director of the Dwight D. Eisenhower Presidential Library, Museum and Boyhood Home.

In an interview with CBS News, Arrington said he was told on Monday, "Resign — or be fired."

Officials at the State Department who compiled an array of gift options for the first couple, sought an Eisenhower sword to reiterate the significance of the U.S.-U.K. relationship since World War II, sources said. But Arrington argued against giving away an artifact that had been accepted as a donation and had become the property of the American people.

Arrington told officials he could help find an alternative gift, but sources say State Department officials persisted. The library's team offered to help find a replica.

Ultimately, West Point provided a Cadet Saber from the military academy.

The White House plays no formal role in hiring or firing directors of presidential libraries that are part of the National Archives system. The duty of hiring library directors falls instead to the archivist of the United States, who oversees NARA. Secretary of State Marco Rubio is serving as acting archivist,

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Now see, here is something I totally agree with you on. This is one of the many reason I don't like Trump as our president - he's a bully.

Hvizsgyak said:

He doesn't realize that "real" people have to perform these abortions (against their moral judgement ...

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We don't know anything about the moral judgments of these hospital employees who are trained physicians.
We only know about the illegal hospital policy.

I can read Spanish pretty well, but that's the extent

I didn't know people still spoke Dutch

Bradskii said:

Yes.

We all do. As opposed to what we want.

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If we appeal to reason, then morality has an objective reference point (it’s about what fits human nature, flourishing, or consistency of principle). Without that, it collapses into subjective preference - “I choose what I like.”

Bradskii said:

And do nothing? You keep making the same mistake. Just because they think it's OK and I don't doesn't mean we both carry on as normal. In some cases we have to fight for what we think is right. If my neighbour is beating his wife then I don't shrug my shoulders and say 'Hey mate. That's wrong. But like, it's only my opinion.' I jump the fence and hit him with whatever's available to stop him.

Hey, look. Might is right in that scenario and you think it's OK!

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Based on nothing but your collection of wants.

10 years up or down.

Anything more then that, you're gonna run into problems.