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"Don't Give up the Ship"

No, they don't. That is the falseness in their statement.

Congress cannot have their back after the action. There is almost nothing Congress can do for the troop after the fact. After the action, the ball is totally in the hands of the Judiciary.
That, I think, is a reasonable criticism of this statement.
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Why do people hate ICE...

They should be clothed, fed, watered, given medical attention and then deported.
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A person brought to America at age 5 is deported 35 years later, at age 40, along with his family to a country he doesn't know, where he has no connections and barely speaks the language and expect them to survive?

You immigrated to America, so you understand the challenges of adapting, working hard, and establishing a life. The United States is known as a country of freedom and opportunity. Consider a situation where someone is forced to returned to Venezuela after 35 years or another 3rd world country along with their American citizen spouse and children; it raises questions about the fairness and humanity of such actions.

As a Christian for 45 years, I find it difficult to understand how those who claim to have the Holy Spirit in them believe such treatment of others aligns with the teachings from the Sermon on the Mount.
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"Don't Give up the Ship"

Yes, because they're encouraging things that are going to create consequences for younger, more impressionable service members.
Not really. What they are doing is to remind those young and more impressionable service members is that they can safely follow a unit commander who has rejected an unlawful order (probably on the advice of his attorney.) from higher up. They way I see it, they want the military to know that they have at least some political support if they mutiny should the order to invade Venezuala come down.
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Why do people hate ICE...

As a traditional conservative, I had hoped that following President Trump’s departure from office, the party would return to pre-Trump era conservatism characterized by greater moderation and centrist ideas, thereby fostering unity and compromise with others for greater good. However, that hope appears to be fading each day. It seems that both conservatism and the Republican Party are increasingly losing influence.

After the passage of the Civil Rights Act, the Republican Party lost African American voters for generations; since then, the GOP has never received more than 20% of the African American vote. In 2024, President Trump achieved nearly 45% support among Hispanic voters—primarily due to the Democratic Party’s inability to fulfill promises made to the Hispanic community. Nevertheless, the mass deportation policies implemented under President Trump have caused significant concern among Hispanic Americans, demonstrating that when Republicans advocate for "mass deportation," it results in families being separated and homes disrupted. This experience has likely diminished future support from Hispanic voters, suggesting that, much like with African American voters, the Republican Party risks losing Hispanic voter support for generations to come.

Since 2010, the Republican Party has focused on consolidating a single demographic and its interests. However, this group's share of the electorate is declining and is projected to lose majority status in America in near future.

Over the last 15 years, the percentage of people identifying as Christian has dropped by 17%, further weakening the coalition the Republicans once relied on.

Another emerging concern for Republicans is Pope Leo’s redefinition of the term "pro-life." Today, leading Catholic authorities are directly raising questions such as, “Can you be pro-life if you support mass deportation?” In the near future, mainstream Protestant communities in America will be forced to address this issue. Although not all Protestants may shift their perspective, some are likely to reassess their views. This could lead to divisions among pro-life supporters: one group may continue to advocate strictly for the protection of unborn children and opposition to abortion, while others may broaden their understanding of pro-life principles to include social justice issues—such as supporting the poor and caring for those in need—as part of the biblical concept of the “sanctity of life.” As a result, Republicans risk losing another segment of their interest groups in the near future.

Yet, current observations suggest that the Republican Party appears unconcerned with prevailing trends, shifting demographics, or changes in religious affiliation within the United States. They do not seem to recognize many groups distancing themselves from the party or the implications these changes may have for their future.
The GOP's anti Blackness is what keeps Black people from voting for them. There are plenty of Black people who agree with the prolife/anti abortion stances, but won't support the GOP because of the racism. They used Black people as the boogeyman for decades to get White people to vote against their own interests, and now they are doing the same with Hispanics. At first Hispanics thought the GOP made a distinction between legal and undocumented, but now they are coming to the realization that they don't, and even if they did, they don't mind violating the civil rights of the legal immigrants and citizens to get to the undocumented who aren't really a threat. The GOP is expecting us to believe that undocumented folks are simultaneously taking all the jobs and getting all the federal benefits at the expense of average Americans. Last year they were eating dogs and cats and now not only are they sneaking across the border, they are bringing their cattle with them.

Just like with Black people in the past, they want White people to think the presence of anyone not White means less for them and that these "others" are getting things White people paid for for free. They say whatever is necessary to scare people into voting GOP. Fear works. Anyone using this tactic should be a major red flag. The bible tells us over and over again to fear not. Yet somehow Christians seem more susceptible to the message. It's just the opposite for dems. They put too much faith in norms and laws. If you say due to xyz, we believe bad thing xyz is going to happen, they call it fearmongering and refuse to act. The said this about SCOTUS, overturning Roe and several other things.
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"Don't Give up the Ship"

I wonder if the sedition/treason statute of limitations has run out on all the folks who publicly supported Terry Lakin's refusal of a what-he-wrongly-considered an unlawful order.
Lakin's fault (I can't believe even a medical officer was so stupid) is that a military order does not become illegal even if the president's authority is questionable.

The military officer who ordered Lakin's transfer ("movement" in military terms) gave him a legal order...which he disobeyed. The commission of military officers is from Congress, not the president. That means regardless of the status of the president, each military officer's commission remains valid.
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Trump's history of acts of kindness and generosity

Pssst…. Grok uses a Myriad of sources
Psst... AIs hallucinate, especially when they can't come up with an answer otherwise.
That is what AI does. Welcome to the world of Grok.
Right back at you. Now provide evidence or have your claims dismissed without evidence.

This is why I shy away from discussion of AI sources. It's Brandolini's law on steroids.
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"Don't Give up the Ship"

"Should he..."


....to let service members Congress, or at least some members of Congress, has their back.
No, they don't. That is the falseness in their statement.

Congress cannot have their back after the action. There is almost nothing Congress can do for the troop after the fact. After the action, the ball is totally in the hands of the Judiciary.

Congress must act up front, before the action. If they don't want the military to perform an action, Congress must explicitly make that action illegal before the fact ("no _ex post facto_ laws"). Or Congress must take the president to the Supreme Court immediately after he issues orders they don't like (if they signal the intention to do that, the military will drag its feet).

But "have your back" is a false statement that will get young, passionate troops in deep, life-long trouble.
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Berkeley Teacher Plots ‘War’ On Conservative Students: ‘By All Means Necessary’

"Typically." Trump is one of a kind, and when verbally attacked comes right back at them. That's no secret.
I relistened the videoclip and he was NOT verbally attacked. Asking for a reason for all the delays is NOT verbally attacking Trump.

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Do you keep the Sabbath? (poll)

1 Cor 7:19 when studied with Gal 5:6 and Gal 6:15 show us mirror versions.

I agree. There is no Jew or Gentile in Christ. There never was even when HIS Spirit was feeding Israel in the Wilderness. I was replying to the mistaken understanding that every time Paul referenced "circumcision" or "uncircumcision" he was referring to the amount of skin on a man's penis. Rather, in many cases he was talking about the "Jews Religion" AKA, the Pharisees. He called them the Circumcision, "made with hands" while Moses, the Prophets and Jesus promoted a "Circumcision of the heart".

Rom. 15: 8 Now I say that Jesus Christ was "a minister of the circumcision" for the truth of God, to confirm the promises made unto the fathers:

While those who were not of Jewish descent or not part of the "Jews Religion" Paul called the "uncircumcision".

In 1 Cor. 7:19, Paul is saying it doesn't matter who we are, what matters is Keeping the Commandments of God. He is referencing Ecc. 12, which is part of the Law and Prophets he said he believed all the was written therein.

Ecc. 12: 13 Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man.

14 For God shall bring every work into judgment, with every secret thing, whether it be good, or whether it be evil.


All address circumcision as nothing and contrast it with "what counts" and all written by Paul.

That is simply not true, according to what is actually written. As I have already shown you, Jesus was the "Minister of Circumcision". Paul said:

Phil. 3: 2 Beware of dogs, beware of evil workers, beware of the concision. 3 For we are the circumcision, which worship God in the spirit, and rejoice in Christ Jesus, and have no confidence in the flesh.

Because this world's religious voices have convinced you and "many" from the very beginning, that God's Laws are a "Yoke of bondage" and were against Eve, Jesus, Paul and the Church of God, and are against us as well, they don't understand.

If you would actually read God's Definition of His Own New Covenant, you would see that God didn't promise to abolish, remove or change anything, but the Priesthood duties. That is, the manner in which Gods Laws are administered, and the manner in which the forgiveness of sins is provided for.
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Trump plan for peace in Ukraine leaked; calls for Ukraine to cede additional territory, cut military forces. US Ukraine envoy to leave role

It's only fair. Russia has lost a lot of men and equipment after Ukraine forced Russia to invade. Russia deserves some compensation for Ukraines aggression against a peaceful neighbor.
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Trump's history of acts of kindness and generosity

A simple Google search reveals that you have copy-pasted your second post from a facebook post from 35 weeks ago without attributing it:

Pssst…. Grok uses a Myriad of sources

Have you tried vanilla? It is unique in a number of different ways.

That is what AI does. Welcome to the world of Grok.
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Why Zohran Mamdani won and New York will pay a terrible price

So, cops shouldn't stop a mentally ill person from causing harm or destruction?

After all, they're just mentally sick people, right?
Deescalation and dealing with mental health isn't ignoring the problem or allowing pepole to continue causing harm.
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America’s ‘immigrants’ nun’ says many are afraid to even go to the supermarket

Isn’t aiding illegal immigrants assisting someone with breaking the law? Jesus said obey the laws of the land. If you harbor illegals, that is helping someone break the law, and that’s wrong. We need compassion while not helping people break the law.
The only ones afraid are the ones here illegally. Legal immigrants are not afraid.
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Trump pardons Giuliani, Sidney Powell, John Eastman, Mark Meadows, all fake electors for their attempt to overturn 2020 election, pardon official says

There are shenanigans going on in government (both sides) that's not an "excuse" that's a fact .... eventually the truth comes out but it can take a while for it to do so.

I wholeheartedly disagree. It is an excuse, because you're not looking at the actions of Donald Trump on their own merits, and not holding him accountable. Instead you point at the other side and say "they do it too"... which I would argue is not only an excuse, but a false equivalency.

Yes ... our elections should be a high priority and everything possible should be put in place to ward off "interference" and so far that has not been done. Ending mail in voting and requiring proper ID would help.

So I'm guessing what is being implied here is that the Democrats "cheated" in the 2020 election? If that is what you are saying, I will pose this question: If the democrats / "deep state" have such control over elections - then how did Trump win in 2024? If unnamed powers were able to cheat in 2020 and make Joe Biden win, then why did Trump win in 2024 if there is such an underhanded conspiracy against him?
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Gallup: Drop in U.S. Religiosity Among Largest in World

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I prefer Islamic fundamentalists to calling them "extremists" because they are simply practicing the religion in its purest form. Speaking the truth about Islamic jurisprudence and history isn't "anti-Islamic propaganda" it's not giving in to Islamic pressure and accusations for the sake of political correctness.
That would be confusing, because calling a Christian a Fundamentalist implies something entirely different.
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