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RandyPNW · 2025-10-07T11:59:13-0500

Abraham1st said:
Hi Randy, I am replying to everybody reading the thread, about the same answer, if there are MORALS IN ANYONE OUTSIDE OF CHRIST..

I think I know where you're coming from. I would say that *all goodness* comes from Christ. However, Christ's goodness has been produced as latent in all people. Therefore, all people can act *through Christ,* consciously or unconsciously, to do good works.

Again, this is different from obtaining Eternal Life, or "Salvation." That is obtained not by doing good works, which I agree is *through Christ," consciously or unconsciously. We obtain Eternal Life only by choosing Christ as our way.

That is, we choose to live by him alone, even though we accomplish this imperfectly. Our choice for him as our God and exclusive Savior means that we forfeit our own attempt at self-righteousness to live only through his righteousness.

This is a partnership in which we live as free human beings, with free access to God's word and guidance. Many things we do are our own, but informed by the nature and character of Christ. Some things God may specifically require of us in certain situations by revelation.

But in all of it, it is our choice to make him Lord of our lives that saves us, because we are not just doing some good, but we are rejecting any goodness outside of him, and as such, condemning human rebellion.

essentialsaltes · 2025-10-07T11:57:55-0500

'Large cache of homemade destructive devices' | Court documents give insight into arrest of man with Molotov cocktails outside DC cathedral

The Metropolitan Police Department said Louis Geri, 41, had set up a tent on the steps of the Cathedral of St. Matthew's the Apostle on Rhode Island Avenue Northwest and refused to leave Sunday morning.

The officer reportedly told Geri that he needed to move the tent he had erected on the stairs off church grounds. That is when Geri allegedly refused and told the officer, "You might want to stay back and call the federales, I have explosives/bombs."

"Do you want me to throw one out," Geri is quoted as saying in the court documents. "I'll test one out in the street?

The officers then explained to Geri that if he did not leave, he would be removed against his will. To which, he allegedly said, "... several of your people are going to die from one of these."

[Handwritten notebook] allegedly revealed Geri's significant animosity towards the Catholic church, members of the Jewish faith, members of SCOTUS and ICE/ ICE facilities.

The Truth John 1.1 · 2025-10-07T11:55:14-0500

Marilyn C said:
Certainly. `And I saw the dead, small and great standing before God, and books were opened. And another book was opened which is the book of life. And the dead were judged according to THEIR WORKS, by the things which were written in the books.` (Rev. 20: 12)

Not so fast Marily C. First the Scriptures are silent on infants and the still born that died who never had an opportunity to perform any work. So Thier fate in Scripture is not described. The passage implies that judgement can only be applied only if one performs a work. (Which by the way just means how they lived their life on earth).Otherwise no judgement can be imposed because their book when opened has nothing written in it as to how they lived their life to judge them by

BPPLEE · 2025-10-07T11:53:11-0500

Nithavela said:
Looks like he was just trolling to trigger the right.

I thought he was on the right

Nithavela · 2025-10-07T11:51:40-0500

Looks like he was just trolling to trigger the right.

BPPLEE · 2025-10-07T11:51:38-0500

MotoToTheMax said:
And they totally wouldn't joke about a judge's home getting burned down. That would just break their bleeding hearts.

What office is @Servus running for?

essentialsaltes · 2025-10-07T11:51:00-0500

ICE kept most offices open in shutdown, but not the one inspecting detention centers

Belk · 2025-10-07T11:50:42-0500

o_mlly said:
I quit smoking some time ago. Hardest thing I ever had to do. But I loved my wife and children enough to deny myself this self-destructive habit.

I managed to quit as well. As you said it was very difficult. But that puts the lie to your claim it is easy to stop living an unhealthy lifestyle. The simple truth is that having regular access to medical care highly correlates with making better lifestyle and health choices.

essentialsaltes · 2025-10-07T11:49:40-0500

essentialsaltes said:
yes, by law, if that still means something, they are entitled to all the back pay

my hedging was not for nothing.

White House memo says furloughed workers might not get back pay

Axios first reported on the memo, which was later confirmed to POLITICO by administration officials in the White House and Office of Management and Budget. They were granted anonymity because they were not authorized to speak publicly on the issue.

The memo appears to contravene the 2019 “Government Employee Fair Treatment Act,” signed by President Donald Trump during his first term after a partial shutdown that stretched over 35 days. And it paints a cloudy economic picture for the 750,000 federal workers currently under furlough.

The memo appears to contradict guidance from the Office of Personnel Management issued in September, which advises federal employees that “after the lapse in appropriations has ended, employees who were furloughed as the result of the lapse will receive retroactive pay for those furlough periods.”

BREAKING

Federal workers not entitled to back pay after shutdown, budget office claims

The top lawyer at the White House Office of Management and Budget argued that the law Congress passed and Trump signed guaranteeing back pay to furloughed workers in 2019 does no such thing, according to a new draft memo obtained by The Post.

MotoToTheMax · 2025-10-07T11:47:39-0500

rambot said:
Yeah. Republicans never make jokes about people getting shot.

That wouldnbe tasteless right guys?

And they totally wouldn't joke about a judge's home getting burned down. That would just break their bleeding hearts.

Clare73 · 2025-10-07T11:47:21-0500

tdidymas said:
So, if you aren't using "alive" figuratively, then what exactly does it mean?

Spiritual life and death are not figurative, they are reality, but they are physically unseen.

Paul thought he was spiritually alive until he came to the realization (bar mitzvah, conversion) that he stood guilty before the law ("I died") and was condemned to death.

tdidymas said:
You approach the text with the preconceived idea that it means Adam's sin is imputed. But the text doesn't say that.

That is precisely what Ro 5:17 states, ". . .by the trespass of one man, death reigned through that one man,"

as does Ro 5:18-19 - "the result of one trespass was condemnation for all men. . .through the disobedience of one man, the many were made sinners."

That is precisely what Ro 5:12-14 demonstrates. . .in
that they all died between Adam and Moses when there was no law to transgress/sin against to cause their death,
that their death was caused by the imputation of Adam's sin (Ro 5:17), and
which was the pattern (Ro 5:14) for the imputation of Christ's righteousness.

stevevw · 2025-10-07T11:46:35-0500

Hans Blaster said:
Single payer healthcare = one party pays for all healthcare = government pays for all healthcare

Thats the same thing then. Government pays for peoples healthcare. At least the basics if your own welfare like emergency care and necessary health care that requires operations ect.

I thought I had heard stories where people can turn up at a hospital and be turned away because they have no health cover.

BPPLEE · 2025-10-07T11:46:34-0500

Va. Democratic Attorney General candidate was previously convicted of reckless driving

A statewide candidate running for office to enforce Virginia's laws was once in trouble with the law himself.

katv.com

I am alarmed by reports of Jay Jones recklessly endangering lives while excessively speeding down I-64 at 116 miles per hour. Instead of taking accountability for his actions, it appears that my opponent submitted a letter to the Court stating that he performed 500 hours of ‘community service’ for his own Political Action Committee, which is not a charitable organization under the Virginia Code, to dodge potential jail time.

Our laws are not suggestions. This new information raises serious, troubling questions about Jay Jones’ judgment, his ability to uphold the law, and, ultimately, his qualifications for Attorney General.

Hentenza · 2025-10-07T11:44:51-0500

SabbathBlessings said:
The Lord of the Sabbath promised not to alter His covenant, not a Jot or tittle and we are called on daily which is TODAY, not harden our hearts in rebellion to God if we hear His voice - which He speaks to us through His word Heb 3:7-19 Heb4:7 Rebellion is unbelief, disobedience and sin-breaking God's laws Rom8:7-8 1John3:4. The Sabbath is a commandment of God thus saith the Lord that didn't disappear in the NC kept by Jesus who is God Luke 4:16 as well as His faithful disciples Luke23:56 and the apostles and gentiles keeping every Sabbath decades after the Cross. Acts 13:42 Acts 13:44 Acts 15:21Acts 18:4 etc. and the Sabbath continues on for eternity thus saith the Lord Isa66:23

Nothing here commanding the Christian to keep the Sabbath as commanded in the old covenant.

SabbathBlessings said:
We were warned about what would happen in the last days which we are in

2 Tim 4:3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine, but according to their own desires, because they have itching ears, they will heap up for themselves teachers; 4 and they will turn their ears away from the truth, and be turned aside to fables.

Nothing here commanding the Christian to keep the Sabbath as commanded in the old covenant.

SabbathBlessings said:
God's Truth changes not- Jesus His Truth John 16:4, All His commandments are Truth Psa 119:151 His Word is Truth John17:17 Only His Truth sets us free.

Nothing here commanding the Christian to keep the Sabbath as commanded in the old covenant.

Since you can’t post where in the new covenant (new contract) the Sabbath of the old covenant is mandated then apply Gods admonitions to yourself.

The Sabbath requirement from the old covenant does not apply to those (Christians) who are in the new covenant. The new contract does not include it.

eleos1954 · 2025-10-07T11:44:33-0500

Clare73 said:
Man's spirit is immortal, and is not subject to death, according to the word of God in 2 Co 5:8.

If there is anything "immortal" about us .... there is no reason for a resurrection.

Other passages further clarify without any equivocation when the great apostle expected to be with Christ.Romans 8:23At the redemption of the body1 Corinthians 5:5In the day of the Lord Jesus1 Corinthians 15:51-55At the last trumpColossians 3:4When Christ our life shall appear1 Thessalonians 4:16When the Lord descends with a shout2 Thessalonians 2:1At the coming of the Lord2 Timothy 4:7, 8At “that day” (by which Paul means the second advent of Christ)

The Breath of Life:
The spirit is described as the "breath of life" from God, using the Hebrew word ruach and the Greek word pneuma, which are often used interchangeably with "spirit".
Body, Soul, and Spirit:
The human being is seen as a unity of body, soul, and spirit. The body is physical, the soul is the entire living person, and the spirit is the life-giving breath that enables consciousness and connection with God.
Not a Separate Entity:
The spirit is not a conscious entity that survives death in a disembodied state. Instead, when a person dies, the breath or spirit returns to God, and the individual ceases to be a conscious being.
Humanity as a Living Soul:
Rather than having a soul that can exist apart from the body, humans are living souls, a combination of body and the spirit (breath of life).

You can't be both mortal and immortal at the same time.
The Bible teaches that while humans are born mortal, their bodies will be transformed into immortal bodies through resurrection, meaning they cannot be both at the same time in the future state of the resurrected. At the resurrection, the perishable will put on the imperishable and the mortal will put on immortality, eliminating the state of being mortal.

BPPLEE · 2025-10-07T11:42:57-0500

https://www.wjhl.com/news/local/smyth-co-sheriff-commonwealths-attorney-call-for-jay-jones-to-withdraw-from-ag-race/

As law enforcement leaders in Smyth County, we share a deep respect for the rule of law and the sacred trust the people of Virginia place in those who enforce it. The Office of Attorney General is not a political prize: it is the Commonwealth’s highest legal authority, responsible for ensuring that justice is applied equally and ethically to all.

Recent reports regarding Attorney General candidate Jay Jones’ criminal speeding charge (116/70) and his messages fantasizing about the murder of a respected law maker and his family are deeply troubling. These are not minor lapses in judgment; they speak to a pattern of recklessness and instability that is incompatible with the temperament required to serve as Virginia’s top law enforcement officer.

The Attorney General must embody discipline, restraint, and integrity. Every deputy sheriff and every prosecutor in this Commonwealth is held to that standard daily. Those seeking to lead us must meet, not evade, that same measure of accountability.

For the good of the Commonwealth and the credibility of our justice system, we believe Mr. Jones should withdraw his candidacy. Virginians deserve an Attorney General who commands respect through conduct, not controversy.

JOINT STATEMENT BY COMMONWEALTH’S ATTORNEY PHILLIP “BUCKY” BLEVINS AND B.C. “CHIP” SHULER

rambot · 2025-10-07T11:40:18-0500

Well in modern times there are actually "milk banks" where new moms who are having trouble producing can go to and get milk produced by other lactaters.

Through evolutions the social nature of humans likely evolved this trait so as to be able to help other individuals in the tribe while strengthening social bonds between individuals.

BPPLEE · 2025-10-07T11:40:08-0500

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2025/10/06/jay-jones-speeding-virginia-hegseth-generals/

Jerrauld “Jay” Jones, the Democratic nominee for attorney general in Virginia, was convicted of reckless endangerment in 2022 for going 116 mph in New Kent County. He was sentenced to 1,000 hours of community service, half of which he spent working for his own political action committee.
The Richmond Times-Dispatch uncovered this last week. It seems newsworthy that a candidate to be the commonwealth’s top law enforcement officer would act this way. It also seems newsworthy that The Post hasn’t followed up as Election Day approaches.

rambot · 2025-10-07T11:35:30-0500

Yeah. Republicans never make jokes about people getting shot.

That wouldnbe tasteless right guys?

NewLifeInChristJesus · 2025-10-07T11:33:37-0500

NewLifeInChristJesus said:
I think "union/communion/fellowship/relationship" are all related in that the final three follow from the first. Jesus said,

22 And the glory which You gave Me I have given them, that they may be one just as We are one: 23 I in them, and You in Me; that they may be made perfect in one, and that the world may know that You have sent Me, and have loved them as You have loved Me. (Jn 17:22–23)

I think this speaks to what it is meant by 1 Corinthians 6:17 - "But he who is joined to the Lord is one spirit with Him".

fhansen said:
Can't and won't disagree with that as far as I can see-darn. JK

That's a good start. What if we were to add "life" to what we share in common with the Father and the Son?

For as the Father has life in Himself, so He has granted the Son to have life in Himself (Jn 5:26)
For as the Father raises the dead and gives life to them, even so the Son gives life to whom He will. (Jn 5:21)
And this is the testimony: that God has given us eternal life, and this life is in His Son. He who has the Son has life; he who does not have the Son of God does not have life. (1 Jn 5:11–12)

Having been joined to the Lord and being one spirit with Him also means we have the same life that Jesus and His Father share. And we have it because the Father gave it to us when He sent Jesus to live in our hearts. And like you said, we received Him by faith...

Most assuredly, I say to you, he who hears My word and believes in Him who sent Me has everlasting life, and shall not come into judgment, but has passed from death into life. (Jn 5:24)

rambot · 2025-10-07T11:26:30-0500

BPPLEE said:
Then you shouldn’t have posted it

Yes

iluvatar5150 · 2025-10-07T11:26:22-0500

Oompa Loompa said:
I am willing to bet that no democrats were on the list.

Well, yeah. Why would any Dems have been involved with the Stop-the-Steal fraud and the ensuing insurrection attempt?

stevevw · 2025-10-07T11:25:58-0500

BCP1928 said:
In that case what you have to do is take light cuts and measure frequently. In the case you are describing, working to high precision on an old used lathe from the 50s' (and you can believe I've done plenty of that) will likely require hand finishing to reach the desired degree of precision.

Yes, the free hand of the craftsman whose skill you have to deny in order to pitch some religious woo.

lol. You just used tech to show how the craftman could achieve the precision in the first place and now you want to object to me saying the tech may have been the whole job lol.

Its making the idea that some back street forger was lathing and then rubbing away for weeks to get the high precision just to fake a vase. Its getting more rediculous. Why would they go to such hassel and time to fake a vase they could just not bother with all the precision to near perfect. Just lathe it and if its in the imprecise range it doesn't matter as no one is checking or worried about it.

Besides how can a craftman hand rub a shape or surface into micron precision when they cannot possible see at that level to know they were spot on with their rubbing. It would surely have to be by naked eye or feel and therefore a guess.

BCP1928 said:
How does he propose the work was done?

He does not know. He has some ideas but they are spectulative. As is all attempts. He mentions something along the lines of stone softening. Something to do with the constitutions of different stones and how they can react to each other. There is evidence for stone softening in other cultures like in Peru for example.

But I don't know its all spectualtion. All we can do is look at the signatures and collect more data until a clear understanding. For example other tests for metals in the stones such as from copper tools have been done and there has been no copper found in tool marks on vases. Which seems strange. But titaniam has been found. How weird is that.

JimR-OCDS · 2025-10-07T11:21:10-0500

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'Large cache of homemade destructive devices' | Court documents give insight into arrest of man with Molotov cocktails outside DC cathedral

ICE kept most offices open in shutdown, but not the one inspecting detention centers

White House memo says furloughed workers might not get back pay

Federal workers not entitled to back pay after shutdown, budget office claims