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Oompa Loompa · 2025-09-16T01:05:01-0500

Pommer said:
Just think how great it would be if all our our political foes were suddenly “out-of-work”!
They’d be too busy trying to stay alive that they’d chuck politics altogether and let someone else do it!

That’d show ‘em!

Again I say, if they believe someone should be killed because of their opinion, they should not be upset for being fired because of their own opinion.

sjastro · 2025-09-16T01:04:02-0500

In the year 9595 the archaeologists Zager and Evans found a paper cup dated to the early 21st century.

Scans revealed the following amazing detail.
At the ends of the cup it was found the circumference C divided by its diameter D reveals C/D = π = 3.14159265358979323846.......
Clearly it reveals evidence of some superior technology in the 21st century, after all how could π be randomly built into such an object.

Vambram · 2025-09-16T01:03:02-0500

Leftist Teacher Showed Charlie Kirk Assassination to Students Over and Over Again, Told Them He Deserved it: Report

A public school teacher showed the assassination of Charlie Kirk multiple times to students as young as 10 years old.

www.westernjournal.com

timewerx · 2025-09-16T00:58:21-0500

Hans Blaster said:
are you saying you are OK here because of your extensive experience with air-fueled engines?

Better than what AI knows and already uses an existing gas cycle.

Uses existing gas cycle and identical to an existing machine

The difference is more philosophical in nature than engineering. All that is left is build it and I'll build it eventually. It's cheap. I just don't have time to build it now but I have no reason never to build it either. It's only a matter of when.

Yarddog · 2025-09-16T00:57:07-0500

iluvatar5150 said:
A good take on things, IMO, from Jamelle Bouie:

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/09/13/opinion/charlie-kirk-assassination.html?unlocked_article_code=1.lk8.vy8R.MrGjYMJUcbTn&smid=nytcore-ios-share&referringSource=articleShare

There has been less agreement about Kirk’s life and work. Death tends to soften our tendency to judge. And sudden, violent death — especially one as gruesome and shocking as this one — can push us toward hagiography, especially in the immediate wake of the killing.

So it goes for Kirk.
<snip>
There is no doubt that Kirk was influential, no doubt that he had millions of devoted fans. But it is difficult to square this idealized portrait of Kirk as model citizen with the man as he was.

Kirk’s eulogists have praised him for his commitment to discourse, dialogue and good-faith discussion. Few if any of them have seen fit to mention the fact that Kirk’s first act on the national stage was to create a McCarthyite watchlist of college and university professors, lecturers and academics. Kirk urged visitors to the website to report those who “discriminate against conservative students and advance leftist propaganda in the classroom.”

Yes, he wasn't a nice guy. He could be to his fans but this is a guy that called for the execution of Joe Biden for non existing crimes. Nice guys don't do that. Still, he didn't deserve to be killed.

rjs330 · 2025-09-16T00:55:37-0500

FireDragon76 said:
Charlie Kirk said that gays deserve to be killed,

Thats patently false. What a terrible smear. Bearing false witness.

FireDragon76 said:
women should not work outside the home,

Another false claim. More false witness.

FireDragon76 said:
1964 Civil Rights Act was a mistake, and that Martin Luther King Jr. was a person of poor character.

Yup he said that.

The only thing that might be considered extreme is his stance on rhe civil rights bill.

He didn't say two of the things you claim.

None of what you wrote makes him deserving of people on the left cheering and rejoicing in his assassination.

Pommer · 2025-09-16T00:53:42-0500

2PhiloVoid said:
The thing is, you can think you conceive of one, but you'll only be doing it from the vantage point of a finite, limited capacity human being, one subject immediately to the Infinite Regress problem once you've thought up your fictional "godlike" communication theory. Nothing is fool-proof, not even a message from God.

My puny brain is too small to have a fairly accurate conception of what an omnipotent God would be like?

Okay then, I shan’t even try.
Thanks for the tip.

2PhiloVoid said:
As an existentialist and an evidentialist, I have no expectations for anything supernatural in a world that gives me basically nothing by which to survive death anyway. So, I'll take any scraps that the Divine might be throwing our way. For some, the glass is 3/4's empty. For others, it appears to be completely empty, and when that's the case, I can only offer my empathy. But for my part, I don't expect miracles.

You must have a great deal of faith to believe in a God that doesn’t do miracles, (anymore).

As a deist I acknowledge that there might be some sort of God or other, but evidence for this Being is scant inside the material universe, but that’s not “all there is” anyways, huh?

Yarddog · 2025-09-16T00:47:42-0500

Oompa Loompa said:
475 detained in ICE raid at Ga. plant, one of the biggest ever

U.S. immigration authorities raided the sprawling site where Hyundai manufactures electric vehicles in southeast Georgia.

www.wrdw.com

Looks like illegal South Korean's are not safe either.

Most of the So. Koreans were there legally and have been released. Trump has been kissing up to the president of Hyundai.

bbbbbbb · 2025-09-16T00:39:10-0500

Christian Century

Stopped_lurking · 2025-09-16T00:36:46-0500

ThatRobGuy said:
I noted his position on abortion was pretty far right in the previous post, which is what I said "apart from that issue"

What were the mainstream democratic party stances on the various issues back around the time period I mentioned? (Gay marriage, immigration, Islam)

I recall Obama running on "marriage is between a man and woman" back then.

Biden (2004): “The greatest threat we face is from Islamic extremists who are intent on killing Americans and undermining our way of life.”
Pelosi (2006): "Islamic terrorism remains the greatest threat to our nation."

Want to venture a guess at which politician said this?:
"I am, you know, adamantly against illegal immigrants."

Or which one said?:
“We all agree on the need to better secure the border… and punish employers who hire undocumented workers.”

U.S. Senate: U.S. Senate Roll Call Votes 109th Congress - 2nd Session

roll_call_vote.xml

www.senate.gov

My point wasn't that people are claiming his views are abhorrent "just because he's conservative", my point was about how fast the overton window is moving... where things that would've been perfectly acceptable for a democrat to say 10-15 years ago, are now labelled as "abhorrent far-right" positions.

Which democrat could have said this in 2010 or 2015?

On race

If I see a Black pilot, I’m going to be like, boy, I hope he’s qualified.
– The Charlie Kirk Show, 23 January 2024

If you’re a WNBA, pot-smoking, Black lesbian, do you get treated better than a United States marine?
– The Charlie Kirk Show, 8 December 2022

Happening all the time in urban America, prowling Blacks go around for fun to go target white people, that’s a fact. It’s happening more and more.
– The Charlie Kirk Show, 19 May 2023

If I’m dealing with somebody in customer service who’s a moronic Black woman, I wonder is she there because of her excellence, or is she there because of affirmative action?
– The Charlie Kirk Show, 3 January 2024

If we would have said that Joy Reid and Michelle Obama and Sheila Jackson Lee and Ketanji Brown Jackson were affirmative action picks, we would have been called racists. Now they’re coming out and they’re saying it for us … You do not have the brain processing power to otherwise be taken really seriously. You had to go steal a white person’s slot to go be taken somewhat seriously.
– The Charlie Kirk Show, 13 July 2023

or

On gender, feminism and reproductive rights

Reject feminism. Submit to your husband, Taylor. You’re not in charge.
– Discussing news of Taylor Swift and Travis Kelce’s engagement on The Charlie Kirk Show, 26 August 2025

The answer is yes, the baby would be delivered.
– Responding to a question about whether he would support his 10-year-old daughter aborting a pregnancy conceived because of rape on the debate show Surrounded, published on 8 September 2024,

Collated by the Guardian (there are more)

Charlie Kirk in his own words: ‘prowling Blacks’ and ‘the great replacement strategy’

bbbbbbb · 2025-09-16T00:36:17-0500

Freth said:
Most churches give out tracts and books, to spread the gospel.

The Great Controversy not only covers the Biblical story, but church history, and the events leading up to the second coming. I asked Google AI for a synopsis:

The Great Controversy by Ellen G. White is a theological book that details the ongoing cosmic conflict between Christ and Satan, tracing it from Lucifer's rebellion in heaven, through church history with its persecutions and reforms, and into the final events leading to Christ's return and the new earth. The book argues that Satan's goal is to misrepresent God's character, while Christ's death and resurrection are the ultimate demonstration of God's love and justice. It emphasizes the importance of the Bible as a guide through the conflict and encourages spiritual preparation for the impending future events.

Why The Great Controversy and not the Bible? People tend to avoid the Bible, but they are more likely to read a book.

The local churches order copies of the book and give them out as part of their outreach efforts.

A physical book tends to stay in the home where it may be read at some point. The goal is to bring people to Christ.

Thank you for your clear and concise answers.

Most churches today rarely, if ever, give out tracts and/or books. In fact, the vast majority of Christian denominations have never done either of these things.

Your point about having a book in the house leading it more likely to be read is quite true. All things considered, I would rather that the book was the Bible than a theological treatise. Apparently, according to statistical research there are, on average, 4.7 Bibles per household in the United States. That does not include electronic access to the Bible nor, might I add, does it include any of the Gideon Bibles in hotels, etc.. I confess that my personal Bible ownership far exceeds 4.7. Having engaged in Bible distribution personally, the only people I encountered without a Bible were virtually all international students in universities.

Assuming that every American has at least one Bible or, at the very least, ready access to a Bible, the question comes to mind as to why biblical illiteracy is so widespread.

In my own experience, I was raised in a Christian family which was biblically illiterate simply because Bible reading was strongly discouraged in church (and at home and every other place, for that matter). If we received a 400+ page theological treatise in the mail from an unknown denomination we would have pitched it.

A2SG · 2025-09-16T00:31:00-0500

Servus said:
Journalists are supposed to be intelligible.

Well, I'm not currently a working journalist, so I guess I can be as intelligible as I like.

Or could it be you simply did not get my inference? Sorry about that.

-- A2SG, apologies to Demi Lovato....

Bradskii · 2025-09-16T00:23:23-0500

Vambram said:
Your negative criticism about what Charlie Kirk’s beliefs are concerning the 2nd Amendment don't coincide with what he really said and believed.

This wasn't based on someone's opinion of what he might have believed. Not some Youtube warrior assuming that it's what he meant. It's based on exactly what he said.

Is Charlie Kirk At Fault In His Own Murder?

Betteridge's Law of Headlines and speaking ill of the dead

decivitate.jamesjheaney.com

"So, I'm a big Second Amendment fan but I think most politicians are cowards when it comes to defending why we have a Second Amendment. This is why I would not be a good politician, or maybe I would, I don't know, because I actually speak my mind.

The Second Amendment is not about hunting. I love hunting. The Second Amendment is not even about personal defense. That is important. The Second Amendment is there, God forbid, so that you can defend yourself against a tyrannical government. And if that talk scares you — "wow, that's radical, Charlie, I don't know about that" — well then, you have not really read any of the literature of our Founding Fathers. Number two, you've not read any 20th-century history. You're just living in Narnia. By the way, if you're actually living in Narnia, you would be wiser than wherever you're living, because C.S. Lewis was really smart. So I don't know what alternative universe you're living in. You just don't want to face reality that governments tend to get tyrannical and that if people need an ability to protect themselves and their communities and their families.

Now, we must also be real. We must be honest with the population. Having an armed citizenry comes with a price, and that is part of liberty. Driving comes with a price. 50,000, 50,000, 50,000 people die on the road every year. That's a price. You get rid of driving, you'd have 50,000 less auto fatalities. But we have decided that the benefit of driving — speed, accessibility, mobility, having products, services — is worth the cost of 50,000 people dying on the road. So we need to be very clear that you're not going to get gun deaths to zero. It will not happen. You could significantly reduce them through having more fathers in the home, by having more armed guards in front of schools. We should have a honest and clear reductionist view of gun violence, but we should not have a utopian one.

You will never live in a society when you have an armed citizenry and you won't have a single gun death. That is nonsense. It's drivel. But I am, I, I — I think it's worth it. I think it's worth to have a cost of, unfortunately, some gun deaths every single year so that we can have the Second Amendment to protect our other God-given rights. That is a prudent deal. It is rational. Nobody talks like this. They live in a complete alternate universe."

FreeinChrist · 2025-09-16T00:18:36-0500

rjs330 said:
Celebrating someone's assassination is often a violation business policy and values. They were fired for violating policy and values, code of conduct for the business.

Im sure you would want employees to obey the policies and code of conduct for the business correct?

I think that truly celebrating an assassination is a sign of poor character. However, when one is not doing business and complies with the policy and code while working, there should be freedom of speech. The problem is that some are not truly celebrating his death. The pundit on MSNBC wasn't.

rjs330 said:
Yet the press is still printing and saying all the things they want to print and say. And the president seems to hold the SAME opinion of a great many Americans that the press is nothing but an arm of the Democratic party. Nearly All the major news sources are leftist. But when Trump.points it out somehow he's attacking rhe free press? How is pointing out truth suddenly an attack on freesom.of speech? He's participating in it.

No the press is as free as it has always been. You just don't like the fact that we are now well aware of their scam and so is the president.

No, the press is not printing and saying all the things they want to. There is a an obvious suppression of stories Trump wouldn't like. For instance, Sanders and AOC have had huge crowds at their rallies, and there have been protests pretty much every weekend of thousands protesting Trump and his policies. There are fewer fact checks on Trump's comments.

Another example: Longtime executive producer of 60 Minutes, Bill Owens, resigned in April 2025, citing corporate pressure after Trump filed a lawsuit against CBS. Owens said he "would not be allowed to run the show as I have always run it". He isn't the only one to resign news shows and newspapers.

rjs330 said:
The White House has ALWAYS had that ability. Its not a restriction to use your legal ability.
They never had a right to be there in the first place.

Well, yes they did have a right to be there. The courts decided that AP had to be let back in the press room. The White House Correspondents Association had the rights to the decision for over 100 years. Trump didn't want that as he wants to control who asks questions, because he only wants nice questions asked of him.

rjs330 said:
Yes it is. And they did.

No, it isn't.

rjs330 said:
Theee has been more leftist violence happening. Not just that but its defended by the left.

https://edition.cnn.com/2022/09/22/us/north-dakota-teenager-vehicular-homicide/index.html

Marco Rubio Canvasser Violently Attacked in Dem Neighborhood

A Florida Republican canvasser clad in a Marco Rubio T-shirt and a Ron DeSantis hat was brutally attacked in a Hialeah, Fla., neighborhood by Democratic residents, Rubio tweeted Monday morning.

freebeacon.com

UC Davis cancels TPUSA event after female student attacked by far-left protesters

“It is unfortunate that the event could not proceed as planned,” UC Davis said. Despite the violence, police did not intervene.

thepostmillennial.com

Chicago man threatened to ‘skin’ GOP gubernatorial candidate and feed him his dead family: police

“I’m going to skin Darren Bailey alive and feed his family to him. I know where Bailey lives, sleeps, and the school he works at. I’m going to make him scream and suffer. He better kill himself and if he doesn’t, I’m going to kill him.”

thepostmillennial.com

Gunshot fired at home where Republican congressional candidate’s children slept

Harrigan has started wearing a bulletproof vest to campaign events because the race has gotten so heated and he has received death threats.

thepostmillennial.com

Of course we have the transgender school shootings rhe two Trump assassination attempts and Charlie Kirk assassination.

The radicals are taking over your party and its getting more and more violent.

Of course I havent mentioned the attacks on ICE agents including murder.

There has been violence on the left which many on the left don't like. However, it is not the Left claiming ALL this violence is from the right, not the whole right is responsible for the acts of a single person, and not leaping to so many conspiracy stories as the right does.
You'd think the right would learn to hold off on the accusations till the facts come in.

But hey, the radicals are taking over your party (Republican) and drove away Republicans that didn't kowtow to Trump and is more and more violent - which it has been since Trump was first elected. He gives permission for it. ("Rough him up! Punch that guy") So there are frequent death threats to Democratic congressmen, pundits, and any judge or attorney that does not rule as they wish, and lots of other crimes.

No ICE agent has been murdered, but there is cause to believe their (ICE agents) actions have led to the death of immigrants that had legal status.

Pommer · 2025-09-16T00:17:29-0500

rjs330 said:
And people want to say there is no evil and there is no devil. Extremely sick and twisted stuff.

With man, what need is there for a “devil”?

Manuel1983 · 2025-09-16T00:16:55-0500

Shalom

This and next weekend, evangelistic meetings will be held again here in Salzburg, Austria.

In addition, the brothers and sisters here regularly hold book tables and distribute evangelistic literature.

We ask for your support in prayer in Jesus' name.

And may God continue to draw the people we have already reached to Himself in Jesus' name, Amen (John 6:44; 1 Corinthians 3:6).
Thank you for your prayers!

May the Lord bless you abundantly (Luke 6:38; Job 42:10), and may He bless Israel in Jesus' name, Amen!

Soli Deo Gloria

Manuel1983 · 2025-09-16T00:16:25-0500

Shalom brothers and sisters in Christ
Thank you for your prayers!
Heavenly Father please bless them because of Job 42:10 and Lk 6:38 in Jesus name Amen

Bradskii · 2025-09-16T00:15:58-0500

Pommer said:
Half of the students in any given year are “below average”...

Reminds me of the point that someone made that if you consider how dumb the average person in the street seems to be, then just think that half the population is even more stupid.

Pommer · 2025-09-16T00:15:37-0500

Oompa Loompa said:
I just had a random thought. I with all these liberals getting fired, I wonder if they are going to blame Trump for the sudden jump in the unemployment rate?

Just think how great it would be if all our our political foes were suddenly “out-of-work”!
They’d be too busy trying to stay alive that they’d chuck politics altogether and let someone else do it!

That’d show ‘em!

Freth · 2025-09-16T00:15:12-0500

bbbbbbb said:
This evening National Public Radio carried a lengthy news item about Baltimore having been inundated with hundreds of thousands of copies of a book titled "THE GREAT CONTROVERSY". It seems that the book was mailed to every address in Baltimore.

As many of us here at CF know, "THE GREAT CONTROVERSY" was authored by Ellen White, the prophetess, and chief founder of the Seventh Day Adventist Church. This thread is primarily directed toward members of that denomination. I have a number of questions as follow:

1. Why? Why deluge a large city with your denomination's key text, if in actual fact, you really believe that the Bible alone is the basis of all of your beliefs, as many of our SDA friends here at CF assert.
2. Why Baltimore (and Philadelphia, I understand)? Why not Denver or San Diego or Moscow or Nairobi?
3. Why go to the very significant expense when, in fact, there are many more less expensive and probably more cost-effective methods of member recruitment?

Most churches give out tracts and books, to spread the gospel.

The Great Controversy not only covers the Biblical story, but church history, and the events leading up to the second coming. I asked Google AI for a synopsis:

The Great Controversy by Ellen G. White is a theological book that details the ongoing cosmic conflict between Christ and Satan, tracing it from Lucifer's rebellion in heaven, through church history with its persecutions and reforms, and into the final events leading to Christ's return and the new earth. The book argues that Satan's goal is to misrepresent God's character, while Christ's death and resurrection are the ultimate demonstration of God's love and justice. It emphasizes the importance of the Bible as a guide through the conflict and encourages spiritual preparation for the impending future events.

Why The Great Controversy and not the Bible? People tend to avoid the Bible, but they are more likely to read a book. A physical book tends to stay in the home where it may be read at some point. The goal is to bring people to Christ.

The local churches order copies of the book and give them out as part of their outreach efforts.

Pommer · 2025-09-16T00:12:55-0500

essentialsaltes said:
(from a week or so ago)
An assistant football coach and SRO at Northwest High School has been put on paid leave during an investigation of a complaint of “proselytizing” during a football game Friday night that led to his removal from the contest.

Deputy Lawrence “Trey” Campbell was put on leave by the Montgomery County Sheriff’s Office, which oversees the school resource officers at Clarksville-Montgomery County Schools.

Friday night, Campbell, in his role as an assistant coach on the football team, was removed at halftime of the Vikings game against Davidson Academy by the Northwest principal. By some accounts, Campbell was holding a Bible and leading players in prayer.
--

On Tuesday, CMCSS released a statement through spokesman Anthony Johnson with initial information from its investigation into the incident.

“The concerns were not about private prayer or personal religious beliefs. CMCSS fully supports and respects the constitutional rights of all students, employees and visitors to practice their faith, including the right to pray privately,” Johnson said. “However, federal law and the U.S. Constitution place limits on the actions of public employees, including educators, coaches and SROs, when they are acting in their official capacities.

“Beginning the morning of Sept. 5, witnesses observed behavior from Campbell [in his role as SRO] that was inconsistent with those standards and with his normal conduct. At the beginning of the school day, Campbell carried a Bible and told staff he was ‘walking in the Spirit today,’ quoting Scripture about rebuking those who come against you.

“Throughout the day, witnesses reported and video footage corroborated that Campbell carried a Bible with him, spoke with students as they entered the school that morning, in the cafeteria, and other areas of the school while quoting Scripture from the Bible, and he excused a student for being tardy because the student had been with him in the cafeteria, which is an action outside the typical protocol,” Johnson said.

“Later that evening at the football game, multiple witnesses observed and video footage corroborated Campbell spending significant time throughout the game on the sidelines with players and other students, quoting Scripture, holding a Bible up to spectators, and leading prayers. A witness stated that ‘every time I looked and saw him, he was talking to a player or players with the Bible or holding hands with head bowed.’ A cell phone video surfaced that appeared to show Campbell step in front of the student section, leading a ‘faith over fear’ chant.”

However, multiple witnesses stated that when asked to stop causing a disruption and to put his Bible away, Campbell stated loudly that ‘I can’t do it, won’t do it,’ and ‘my job is to save these babies.’ [Actually, it isn't.]

Religious civil-disobedience is different, though, that’s really not “breaking the law”, that’s adhering to a “Higher Law”.
(So I am told)

Vambram · 2025-09-16T00:12:03-0500

Bradskii said:
The explanation of why he said what he did about the price he was prepared to pay in lives to have the second amendment was fully contextualised. It was almost an adolescent fantasy about standing up to the government. And he literally meant an armed defence of the people against the best equipped army on the planet to prevent them taking your guns.

Notwithstanding that hardly anyone at all argues against the second. What they argue about are having reasonable checks on who can buy weapons and how they are registered etc. He was saying that he doesn't even want guns registered because....well, 'they' may come and knock on your door and ask you to hand them over.

It's not possible for me to explain to you how absolutely crazy that is.

Now I don't know if you've seen video of his shooting. Almost all media have paused the actual moment or have pixilated it. Why? Because watching someone in close up getting shot in the neck is very confronting. Yeah, we see all sots of detailed fictional horror on the big screen and on TV. But I've seen the unexpurgated version. And when you know it's for real and you see how much blood a body can expel in a couple of seconds then it's very distressing. Now instead of a well built grown man consider it happening to a five year old girl. You would have to be less than human not to demand changes to gun laws if you were to see it.

So we have the reality of the horror versus this American macho posturing when the only way they'll take your gun is from your cold dead hands. What some channel needs the cojones to do is to show somebody spouting that puerile adolescent rhetoric and then pan left to watch a young kid taking the same shot as Kirk did. Slow fade to a question: 'Is this the price you want to pay?'

Your negative criticism about what Charlie Kirk’s beliefs are concerning the 2nd Amendment don't coincide with what he really said and believed.

bbbbbbb · 2025-09-16T00:09:29-0500

Vambram · 2025-09-16T00:08:59-0500

Yttrium said:
I think it's appropriate that I haven't heard of them, since I never heard of Charlie Kirk before he was assassinated.

All these Charlie Kirk threads might just motivate me to look up what Charlie Kirk actually did. Maybe I'll get around to it in a few days.

I hope that you do take the time to listen to a few Charlie Kirk podcasts.

A2SG · 2025-09-16T00:08:44-0500

Servus said:
Even though it's been the left celebrating the assassination and trash talking Kirk after his death, no finger should be pointed at the left.

Man, it's times like this I really wish I'd gone into Irony Meter Repair as a career choice.

-- A2SG, journalism may not have been the best choice, in retrospect....

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