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Vambram · 2025-11-30T22:34:31-0600

This is not common place at all. Humans are not perfect so to expect perfection is a mistake.

Richard T · 2025-11-30T22:33:33-0600

Oompa Loompa said:
Please list those countries or provide a source. Thank you in advance.

Here is a list of the most Christian Countries by %. Most Christian Countries 2025

Here is a list of the 19 nations that were banned. A Guide to the Countries on Trump’s 2025 Travel Ban List
Here is a list of nations that are not low income.
From google AI which sorted the lists by income, I got these results for full bans

Iran (Upper-middle income)
Libya (Upper-middle income)
Myanmar (Burma) (Lower-middle income)
Sudan (Lower-middle income)
Syria (Low income, but was middle income prior to civil war)
Yemen (Low income, but was middle income prior to civil war)
Haiti (Lower-middle income

For partial bans, I got these nations

Venezuela (Upper-middle income)
Cuba (Upper-middle income)
Nigeria (Lower-middle income)
Kyrgyzstan (Lower-middle income)
Tanzania (Lower-middle income)
Laos (Lower-middle income)
Sierra Leone (Low income)
Togo (Low income)
Turkmenistan (Upper-middle income)
Burundi (Low income)

I admit I am surprised that some of these nations like Cuba are not low income. But the upper-middle nations make the use of "third world" a poorer descriptor than it already is.

Yttrium · 2025-11-30T22:29:38-0600

Oompa Loompa said:
That is a fair and honest answer. So you agree that the limited resources are limited. Would it fair to propose cutting off the flow of incoming immigrants until the limited resources are better allocated to the ones who need it while screening put the ones who are manipulating and taking advantage of it?

No.

By the same token, you could say "hey, let's cut off social security until we've screened out all the frauds". Or "hey, let's cancel all airline flights until we check out those chemtrail claims". We have a screening process in place. We can work to improve it without cutting it off entirely for who knows how long.

Mind you, I'm not opposed to making it more difficult to immigrate to the US. Fine by me. But there are plenty of people who are trying to get here legitimately, and it would be unfair to block them due to an overreaction.

Now, if it turns out that Trump went and fired half the screeners, that's his own fault.

d taylor · 2025-11-30T22:25:09-0600

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Richard T · 2025-11-30T22:12:07-0600

FaithT said:
This is sickening. Virtually everything connected to Trump is.

Native American actor says she was detained by ICE officers who said tribal ID ‘looked fake’
Elaine Miles of Northern Exposure was stopped by four masked men in Seattle while walking to bus stop
Read in The Guardian: Native American actor says she was detained by ICE officers who said tribal ID ‘looked fake’ — Guardian US

Few might know that Noem herself was banned from most tribal lands when she was Governor due to her statements about Native Americans. That ICE would be insensitive or lack training concerning Native Americans and their ID's etc. should be no surprise.

Native tribes on banning Kristi Noem from reservations: ‘She’d be charged with trespassing’

The far-right governor’s comments about Indigenous Americans have crossed a line for all nine tribes in her state

www.theguardian.com

Oompa Loompa · 2025-11-30T22:07:24-0600

Richard T said:
In Trump's group of 19 nations,

Please list those countries or provide a source. Thank you in advance.

Oompa Loompa · 2025-11-30T21:59:24-0600

Yttrium said:
Certainly not.

On the other hand, if I found an immigrant family starving in the streets, I'd work with others to help them find shelter and food, and I might consider providing some of my own funds to help out. In my experience, not all people in need are out to take advantage of me. They just need some temporary assistance.

Now, I feel that Democrats take the caring for people in need thing a bit too far. We have limited resources, and if you're not careful the few who will take advantage of us will cause problems. I'm not protective of illegal immigrants. However, I'm not in favor of revoking green cards from people who are struggling.

That is a fair and honest answer. So you agree that the limited resources are limited. Would it fair to propose cutting off the flow of incoming immigrants until the limited resources are better allocated to the ones who need it while screening put the ones who are manipulating and taking advantage of it?

Richard T · 2025-11-30T21:59:23-0600

lismore said:
Kemi Badenoch, leader of the opposition in the UK Parliament, a 'cultural Christian' says spending money on benefits is unchristian.

Kemi Badenoch says spending on welfare is 'unchristian'

Kemi Badenoch has said welfare spending could be considered "unchristian," following Rachel Reeves' Autumn Budget.

www.thelondoneconomic.com

Earlier this month, Badenoch quoted St Paul’s advice to Timothy in the Bible as she argued that the “responsibility and dignity of work” was a Christian imperative, the Times reports.
She said: “St Paul, we read, in the first Epistle to Timothy proclaims that ‘Anyone who does not provide for his own household … is worse than an unbeliever’.

“This is the Christian recognition that we all have duties … To ourselves, to our families and to the community we are part of. Conservatives believe in making work pay, in rewarding risk, in ensuring effort matches reward.”

She continued: “My message is let’s get people off welfare into work. Let us not leave debt for our children and grandchildren. That is the worst unfairness.”

When she was asked to elaborate on what she meant, Badenoch continued: “In early Christian times there was no state or welfare so I think that you can argue that, actually. The Christian tradition is about communities and families and charity, not about compulsory taxation in order to pay welfare.

Any thoughts?

Lifestyles have changed since the time of free gleaning of the fields by the poor. land is basically removed from the poor. The poor too can't sell a family member as slaves to pay debts. So if left just to charity, many would fall through the cracks in a modern nation. I see it in poor nations now. how some have hospitals that require cash upfront and will turn away patients if funds are not shown.

She is right that work is good for the able bodied. However, many on welfare are elderly, already working, or children. Some too do cycle out of welfare, though some also make a career of it. A good policy would be to subsidize employers that hire long-term welfare types. This makes these workers more attractive and accomplishes some savings for those that are able bodied of working age.

To me such statements are political but have no real practical application especially in the UK. But if you wish to return to peasants in the streets and lots of social unrest I guess a nation could try. If you look at the sheer amount that is needed, only a miracle of God could provide that funding from charity. i asked google ai about the amount that Christians in the UK currently give to all charities including churches. The average was around 75 pounds per month. True they could ramp that figure up, but it would require alot more to make

essentialsaltes · 2025-11-30T21:46:20-0600

Landon Caeli said:
Any room for opposing viewpoints here?

The only opinions that might matter will come from SCOTUS. But it's a free county if you've got something to say.

Dan Perez · 2025-11-30T21:45:20-0600

Dave... said:
Hey Dan.

I believe the the one important thing that is often overlooked in Ephesians 1:4 and context is that we are chosen "in Him", and always "In Christ". --Vs. 10 is speaking of the Spirit baptism which began at Pentecost (1 Cor. 12:13). Vs. 11 is speaking of true OT believers already declared righteous by OT faith (Romans 8:29) who came to faith in Jesus.

It is Jesus who was elect from the foundations of the world. Anyone who is placed 'in Him', becomes elect with Him. Thus, "In Him" we receive all these things spoken about in Ephesians 1. This has been God's plan from the [foundations of the world], thus the 'Lamb slain from the foundations of the world' is speaking about an eternal decree, but it still had to actually happen before it applied.

We are all placed into Christ with the NT indwelling, called the placing into, or, baptism with the Holy Spirit, that was made available to everyone after Christ was lifted up. Today, when someone believes and trusts in Christ Jesus in faith, Jesus places the Holy Spirit in us, making us one with Him (the baptism into the Body, into Christ), as a result, being born again and justified. This is all initiated by faith.

For your convenience, I quoted it.

1-14 Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the will of God, To the saints who are in Ephesus, and faithful in Christ Jesus: Grace to you and peace from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ. Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places in Christ, just as He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before Him in love, having predestined us to adoption as sons by Jesus Christ to Himself, according to the good pleasure of His will, to the praise of the glory of His grace, by which He made us accepted in the Beloved. In Him we have redemption through His blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of His grace which He made to abound toward us in all wisdom and prudence, having made known to us the mystery of His will, according to His good pleasure which He purposed in Himself,10 that in the dispensation of the fullness of the times He might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven and which are on earth--in Him. 11 In Him also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestined (Romans 8:29) according to the purpose of Him who works all things according to the counsel of His will, that we who first trusted in Christ should be to the praise of His glory. In Him you also trusted, after you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation; in whom also, having believed, you were sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise, who is the guarantee of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, to the praise of His glory.

Dave

Hi Dave and just asking. as I do not have many Dispensational , Per-Mil and PRE- Mil. response here are you. DIOSPENSATIONAL. ?

Just ready to lay down and you a long list , see you. MONDAY .

dan p

Richard T · 2025-11-30T21:34:07-0600

BasedLutheran said:
gibberish

Such as "any facts" or just misstatements from Trump on the use of the term and even the income status of the countries he banned? As i now see that several of the nations are not considered low income at all.

jonojim1337 · 2025-11-30T21:29:12-0600

Reluctant Theologian said:
More detailed quote:

The same holds true for the maidservant who is under the yoke of slavery; she too is in another's power, that is, her master's. But if she is a believer, let her regard herself as belonging to God, not to her master, and let her keep her body pure for the Lord who bought her with his own blood. [...] But if her master is an unbeliever, let the believing maidservant bear up, knowing that she is serving the Lord Christ. Let her not maltreat her flesh but rather adorn it chastely, keeping it pure and undefiled for the Lord. For it is not permitted her to fornicate or to surrender her body to anyone but her own husband. But if she is forced by her master, let her pray to be given strength to endure and not to sin against the Lord. For the body is a temple of the Holy Spirit and must be kept in holiness.

Upon reading better I agree it's more likely he was referring with 'endure' to persist in refusal than to let her master have his way with a sinful plan. Under Torah law though the master could have married her still himself but any believing master would never be allowed to force his slaves to commit sin - including prostitution.

PS: later theologians do seem to provide this exoneration in case of force/coercion - e.g Augustine (The city of God - +/- 420 AD):

And this seems a rhetorical question.

While slaves did not enjoy the rights of a trial, it doesn’t stop anyone from viewing this as a shameful act.

The Righterzpen · 2025-11-30T21:22:11-0600

BCP1928 said:
If it was socially ok to be a physical male and a psychlogical female then trans people would be much better off.

Question for you. (I asked my son this same question when he told me he “felt feminine”.)

What basis does a male have for thinking they are “psychologically” female? If you’re not female; how would you have any idea what it’s like to be female?

The statement here, is based on an assumption; which is based on a stereotype of what the male in question “thinks” women feel like.

And we can pretty safely conclude that his perception is based on what he is concluding based on what he sees of women in society around him.

And why is it that these men “pick” the “hot”, “sexy” model types to fashion their perceptions of their “psychological womanhood” from? None of these trans “women” are modeling their perceptions off of…. Grandma for example.

Think about that a minute.

The Liturgist · 2025-11-30T21:16:35-0600

MarkRohfrietsch said:
And no one to debate with!!!

Indeed, but, believe it or not, I actually prefer interesting discussions on the liturgy. Any time someone wishes to get into the weeds with me on exploring the history of the Anaphora of St. James, or St. Mark, or the Twelve Apostles, or help me write festal services for St. Abanoub the Martyr, who is sadly only liturgically commemorated in the Coptic church, being a Coptic youth who received a crown of martyrdom during the DIocletian Persecution, but who absolutely deserves a feast day in the Western, Byzantine and Syriac Rites, and for that matter, a few other translations of saints; also surprisingly, a lot of Eastern Orthodox saints only have Troparia and Kontakia, not full canons or propers for vespers; setting these up is relatively easy since the General Menaion like the Common for different kinds of saints in the Roman Rite provides a template (most liturgical rites have a default form for different types of feast days which can be used in the absence of a dedicated service or used as the basis for composing such a service)

The Liturgist · 2025-11-30T21:11:44-0600

chevyontheriver said:
Still using Fedora, but fed up with systemd and Gnome and Wayland

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Richard T · 2025-11-30T21:05:50-0600

Oompa Loompa said:
Such as?

Trump's ignorance of the derogatory usage of "third World" is first not the terms original meaning. Even if one allows for this old prejudicial stereo type that was replaced at the end of the cold war, not all the nations would fit this abused terminology. In Trump's group of 19 nations, there are a couple of upper middle income nations, a middle income nation and some lower middle income nations.

Here is a partial list of Christian nations that are low income, Christian majority nations as you asked someone else.
Burundi
: Consistently ranked as one of the poorest countries in the world,
Burundi has a population that is approximately 75% Christian
.
Central African Republic (CAR)
: The CAR is another nation near the bottom of global income lists, with estimates placing its Christian population at around 80%.

Democratic Republic of the Congo (DRC)
: A massive country that is overwhelmingly Christian (over 90%), the
DRC
is classified as a low-income economy and ranks among the poorest globally.
Liberia
: Liberia has a high Christian population percentage (around 85.5% as per some estimates) and is categorized as a low-income nation.
Malawi
: With a large Christian majority, Malawi is also on the World Bank's list of low-income economies.

timothyu · 2025-11-30T21:00:40-0600

Benaiah468 said:
He will spread His messianic kingdom of peace throughout the whole world. Then the nations will come to Jerusalem to celebrate the Feast of Tabernacles together with Israel (Zec 14:16). Israel and the nations will praise the G-d of Israel together. What a prospect!

Agreed, but is it not that God's people now will be those who come from all nations to the Kingdom, the new chosen. There will be no leaders like before however, except Jesus, who plays no favourites. Everybody had their chance before Him and blew it. The Father's Kingdom will have come, and His Will will be done in earth, not ours.

Yttrium · 2025-11-30T21:00:06-0600

Oompa Loompa said:
So none? Would you let an immigrant family into your home, raid your refrigerator, refuse to leave, and demand you provide for them?

Certainly not.

On the other hand, if I found an immigrant family starving in the streets, I'd work with others to help them find shelter and food, and I might consider providing some of my own funds to help out. In my experience, not all people in need are out to take advantage of me. They just need some temporary assistance.

Now, I feel that Democrats take the caring for people in need thing a bit too far. We have limited resources, and if you're not careful the few who will take advantage of us will cause problems. I'm not protective of illegal immigrants. However, I'm not in favor of revoking green cards from people who are struggling.

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