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  • CF has always been a site that welcomes people from different backgrounds and beliefs to participate in discussion and even debate. That is the nature of its ministry. In view of recent events emotions are running very high. We need to remind people of some basic principles in debating on this site. We need to be civil when we express differences in opinion. No personal attacks. Avoid you, your statements. Don't characterize an entire political party with comparisons to Fascism or Communism or other extreme movements that committed atrocities. CF is not the place for broad brush or blanket statements about groups and political parties. Put the broad brushes and blankets away when you come to CF, better yet, put them in the incinerator. Debate had no place for them. We need to remember that people that commit acts of violence represent themselves or a small extreme faction.

Asking AI to explain Sunday observance when NT has no such command

Yes the link does: Quote _ the emperor Constantine I (died337), a convert to Christianity, introduce the first civil legislation, [""which means he made it Law,""] concerning Sunday in 321, when he decreed that all work should cease on that day, except Farmers could work if necessary. That law aimed at providing time for worship, was followed later in the same century, and in subsequent centuries by further restrictions of Sunday activities........ that is what is written IN THE ENCYCLOPEDIA BRITANNICA ON THE LINK I GAVE. You seem to have overlooked that part or maybe you just didn't read it, or refuse understand or acknowledge it, when it is written plainly.

And I use the encyclopedia Britannica because it cannot be said it is bias; most likely the links below can be or will be said by those who believe the Sabbath is now Sunday said is bias

What you claimed was "Encyclopedia Britannica States Constantine made the day of worship on the first day." That's not what it says. Your cited article says that Constantine passed a law providing time for worship, but the article notes that it was already the day of worship for Christians. All Constantine did, according to your source, was pass a law making it easier for Christians to worship on the day they were already worshipping on; this is not him making the day of worship on the first day, because as the article says, that was already the case. Thus, the Encyclopedia Britannica does not back up your claim.

I have no issue with your usage of the Encyclopedia Britannica--it is indeed a less biased (and at least for that article, more accurate) source than some of the other links you were posting. But again, it does not back up your claim.

Your statement Why don't I give direct links - I give the links my device pulls up. - Sorry you have to go through Google to get to the link, does it matter, doesn't that mean a safer search?
It matters because it means the person has no idea what link they are actually clicking on, and also (for those who might not want Google to know more about them than Google already does) tells Google that you were visiting the site.
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ICE Agents swarmed by protestors in Minneapolis

One of the liberal reporters on the scene said that apparently one of the officers was pushed down. By the time the police arrived all the crowd was doing was blocking ICE agents from leaving, which is illegal.
Still not a riot.
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White House Chief of Staff Susie Wiles calls out Bondi, Vance and Trump in Vanity Fair

Nothing there is new and could be derived from their public appearances. If MAGA is ok with that, this article should not be a shock to anyone paying attention.
What she said doesn't shock me in the least. That she freely said it is surprising.
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Trump signs executive order classifying fentanyl as a ‘weapon of mass destruction’

illegal fentanyl kills hundreds of thousands of Americans. That sounds a lot like a weapon of mass destruction to me.
I don't know if "weapon" fits a substance which people freely take. I guess suicide fits, then.
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Erika Kirk slams conspiracy theories

The article is about Erika Kirk begging for a place where her and her children can honor Charlie in peace, and a poster has the audacity to say that whatever trouble she gets it is because of her decision to remain in the public eye. Hence, poster thinks the Kirk family memorial deserves to be desecrated and they do not deserve any opportunity for peace. How else would you interpret the comments? No different than saying, "I do not condone political violence, but Charlie Kirk got what he deserved." Yeah thanks.
She is also talking about burying him at TPUSA headquarters where I assume it will be accessible to the public. Maybe that is not a great idea given her concerns.
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National Security Strategy

I guess I expect elections because even Trump can't suspend them without a serous cause such as boots on the ground fighting on U.S. soil.
Elections are no longer relevant. If he doesn’t like the outcome he claims fraud and his people follow along.
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From Promise to Fulfillment

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Opening Prayer: Heavenly Father, As we enter this Christmas season, quiet our hearts and draw us near to the wonder of Your Son’s birth. Open our eyes to see Jesus in the Scriptures, our ears to hear Your gentle leading, and our spirits to receive the peace You freely give. Let this devotional lead us closer to Emmanuel - God with us - as the Holy Spirit illuminates Your Word and fills us with fresh awe at the gift of Christ. Prepare our hearts to worship, listen, and respond with thanksgiving and reverence. In Jesus’ wonderful Name, Amen.

Introduction

Christmas is more than a familiar story - it is the unfolding of God’s love, promise, and redemption. Each moment, from the angel’s whisper to Mary to Simeon’s joyful blessing in the temple, reveals the heart of a God who draws near to His people. These passages invite us to slow down, breathe deeply, and reflect on the faithfulness of the One who stepped into our world with humility and glory.

This devotional follows the journey of Christ’s birth through Scripture, not simply to retell the events, but to uncover the meaning woven into each moment. As you read, may the Holy Spirit bring comfort, clarity, and renewed wonder. May this season remind you that God still speaks, still leads, and still fulfills His promises in the lives of those who seek Him.

Annunciation to Mary

The angel’s announcement to Mary reveals the tenderness of God’s choosing. He steps into the quiet life of a young woman in Nazareth and entrusts her with the greatest miracle the world has ever known. This moment shows that God does not look for status, position, or earthly strength - He looks for a willing heart. Mary’s “Let it be to me according to your word” becomes the model of humble surrender for every believer.

Luke 1:38 (NKJV) “Then Mary said, ‘Behold the maidservant of the Lord! Let it be to me according to your word.’ And the angel departed from her.”

This passage also reminds us that God often begins His greatest works in hidden places. Before the manger, before the shepherds, before the star - there was a private encounter between heaven and a young woman. Christmas begins with God drawing near to the ordinary, the overlooked, and the faithful. It is a reminder that He still speaks into quiet lives today. (See: Luke 1 (NKJV))

Joseph’s Dream

Joseph’s encounter with the angel reveals the righteousness of a man who chooses obedience over reputation. Faced with confusion and what looked like betrayal, Joseph planned to act with mercy. But when God spoke, he surrendered his understanding and embraced God’s plan. His obedience protected Mary, preserved the lineage of David, and fulfilled prophecy.

Matthew 1:24 (NKJV) “Then Joseph, being aroused from sleep, did as the angel of the Lord commanded him and took to him his wife.”

This moment teaches us that God often asks us to trust Him when the path makes no sense. Joseph’s “yes” was quiet, steady, and costly - yet it positioned him to be part of God’s redemptive story. Christmas reminds us that obedience, even when unseen, carries eternal significance. (See: Matthew 1 (NKJV))

Isaiah’s Prophecy

Isaiah’s prophecy declares the identity of the coming Messiah long before His birth. “Wonderful, Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace” is not poetic language - it is a revelation of who Jesus truly is. Christmas is not merely the birth of a child; it is the arrival of God Himself in human flesh.

This prophecy also anchors our hope. The Child born in Bethlehem is the One who carries government, authority, and peace upon His shoulders. In a world filled with uncertainty, Isaiah 9:6 reminds us that Christ’s kingdom is unshakable, His peace is enduring, and His reign is eternal.

Isaiah 9:6 (NKJV) “For unto us a Child is born, Unto us a Son is given; And the government will be upon His shoulder. And His name will be called Wonderful, Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.”

Birth of Jesus

The birth of Jesus reveals the humility of God’s heart. The King of Glory entered the world not in a palace but in a manger, wrapped in simple cloths and laid among animals. This was not an accident - it was a declaration that God draws near to the lowly, the poor, and the overlooked. Christmas is the story of a Savior who came down to lift us up.

Luke 2:7 (NKJV) “And she brought forth her firstborn Son, and wrapped Him in swaddling cloths, and laid Him in a manger, because there was no room for them in the inn.”

This moment also shows that God’s greatest gifts often arrive quietly. No crowds, no trumpets, no earthly celebration - just the steady faithfulness of God fulfilling His promise. The manger reminds us that God’s presence transforms even the simplest places into holy ground.

(See: Luke 2 (NKJV))

Shepherds Visit

The shepherds were the first to hear the good news, showing that God delights in revealing Himself to the humble. They were ordinary men doing ordinary work, yet heaven opened above them. The angelic announcement reminds us that the gospel is for all people - not just the powerful or the learned, but the everyday person who is willing to listen.

Luke 2:10–11 (NKJV) “Then the angel said to them, ‘Do not be afraid, for behold, I bring you good tidings of great joy which will be to all people. For there is born to you this day in the city of David a Savior, who is Christ the Lord.’”

Their response is equally important. They didn’t delay, question, or analyze - they went “with haste” to see the Savior. Their simple obedience turned them into the first evangelists of the New Testament. Christmas invites us to respond with the same eagerness and joy.

Magi Visit

The Magi represent the nations being drawn to Christ. Guided by a star, they traveled far to worship the newborn King. Their gifts - gold, frankincense, and myrrh - reveal Jesus’ identity as King, God, and Sacrifice. Their journey shows that true worship requires seeking, honoring, and offering our best to Him.

Matthew 2:11 (NKJV) “And when they had come into the house, they saw the young Child with Mary His mother, and fell down and worshiped Him. And when they had opened their treasures, they presented gifts to Him: gold, frankincense, and myrrh.”

Their visit also reveals that God’s salvation is not limited to Israel alone. From the very beginning, Jesus is recognized by Gentiles, fulfilling God’s promise that all nations would be blessed through Him. Christmas is a global invitation to worship the One who came for all. (See: Matthew 2 (NKJV))

Flight into Egypt

The flight into Egypt shows God’s protective hand over His Son. Joseph obeyed immediately when warned in a dream, and that obedience preserved the life of the Messiah. Even in the earliest days of Jesus’ life, we see spiritual opposition rising - yet God’s plan cannot be stopped. His guidance is always timely, precise, and purposeful.

Matthew 2:13–15 (NKJV) “Now when they had departed, behold, an angel of the Lord appeared to Joseph in a dream, saying, ‘Arise, take the young Child and His mother, flee to Egypt, and stay there until I bring you word; for Herod will seek the young Child to destroy Him.’ When he arose, he took the young Child and His mother by night and departed for Egypt, and was there until the death of Herod, that it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the Lord through the prophet, saying, ‘Out of Egypt I called My Son.’”

This moment also fulfills prophecy, showing that nothing in Jesus’ life was accidental. God weaves every detail into His redemptive story. Christmas reminds us that God protects His purposes and leads His people even in seasons of sudden change or uncertainty.

Herod’s Massacre of the Innocents

This tragic event reveals the darkness into which Christ was born. Herod’s cruelty shows the brokenness of a world desperate for a Savior. Yet even in sorrow, God’s sovereignty remains. The cries of the mothers in Bethlehem echo the world’s longing for justice, healing, and redemption — all of which are found in Christ.

This passage also reminds us that Jesus came not into a peaceful world, but into a world filled with suffering. Christmas is not sentimental; it is salvation. Christ entered our pain to bring hope, light, and deliverance.

Matthew 2:16–18 (NKJV) “Then Herod, when he saw that he was deceived by the wise men, was exceedingly angry; and he sent forth and put to death all the male children who were in Bethlehem and in all its districts, from two years old and under, according to the time which he had determined from the wise men. Then was fulfilled what was spoken by Jeremiah the prophet, saying: ‘A voice was heard in Ramah, Lamentation, weeping, and great mourning, Rachel weeping for her children, Refusing to be comforted, Because they are no more.’”

Return to Nazareth

The return to Nazareth shows God’s quiet guidance in the ordinary. After the danger had passed, Joseph brought his family back to a humble town where Jesus would grow in wisdom and stature. Nazareth was not prestigious, yet it became the place where the Savior lived, learned, and prepared for His ministry.

Matthew 2:19–23 (NKJV) “Now when Herod was dead, behold, an angel of the Lord appeared in a dream to Joseph in Egypt, saying, ‘Arise, take the young Child and His mother, and go to the land of Israel, for those who sought the young Child’s life are dead.’ Then he arose, took the young Child and His mother, and came into the land of Israel. But when he heard that Archelaus was reigning over Judea instead of his father Herod, he was afraid to go there. And being warned by God in a dream, he turned aside into the region of Galilee. And he came and dwelt in a city called Nazareth, that it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the prophets, ‘He shall be called a Nazarene.’”

This moment teaches us that God often works in the hidden years. Before miracles, teachings, and the cross, there were decades of simple life. Christmas reminds us that God is present not only in dramatic moments but in the steady lifestyles of everyday faithfulness.

Simeon’s Blessing

Simeon represents the faithful who wait with hope. Led by the Spirit, he recognized Jesus as the promised Messiah the moment he saw Him. His words declare that Christ is salvation for all people - a light to the Gentiles and glory to Israel. Simeon’s joy shows that God always keeps His promises, even if the waiting is long.

Luke 2:25–32 (NKJV) “And behold, there was a man in Jerusalem whose name was Simeon, and this man was just and devout, waiting for the Consolation of Israel, and the Holy Spirit was upon him. And it had been revealed to him by the Holy Spirit that he would not see death before

he had seen the Lord’s Christ.
So he came by the Spirit into the temple. And when the parents brought in the Child Jesus, to do for Him according to the custom of the law, he took Him up in his arms and blessed God and said: ‘Lord, now You are letting Your servant depart in peace, According to Your word; For my eyes have seen Your salvation Which You have prepared before the face of all peoples, A light to bring revelation to the Gentiles, And the glory of Your people Israel.’”

His blessing also reveals the purpose of Christ’s coming: salvation, revelation, and redemption. Simeon saw in the infant Jesus what many would later miss - the fulfillment of God’s covenant love. Christmas invites us to see Christ with the same clarity and thanksgiving.

Closing Prayer: Lord Jesus, Thank You for the gift of Your coming - for the hope You bring, the peace You give, and the salvation You offer to all. As we reflect on these Scriptures, seal their truth in our hearts. Help us to walk in the same humility, obedience, and faith that marked the lives of Mary, Joseph, the shepherds, the Magi, and all who recognized Your glory.

Let the light of Your presence guide us into the days ahead. Strengthen our faith, deepen our thanksgiving, and fill us with the joy of knowing that You are Emmanuel - God with us, now and always. Amen.

Questions to Ponder

  1. Where in my life is God inviting me to respond with the same trust and surrender that Mary and Joseph showed?


  1. How does the humility of Christ’s birth reshape the way I see God, myself, and others?


  1. Which part of the Christmas story speaks most deeply to me this year, and why might the Holy Spirit be drawing my attention to it?


May the peace of Christ guard your heart this Christmas season and always.



To the Holy Spirit: Thank You for guiding every word, guarding every step, and glorifying Jesus. All glory, honor, praise, and worship belong to God Almighty, who alone is worthy.

Scripture Acknowledgement: All Scripture quotations are taken from the New King James Version® (NKJV). Used with permission. All rights reserved.

Special thanks to Bible Gateway for providing accessible, searchable Scripture resources that support devotional writing and spiritual study.

May these words echo grace, healing, and truth wherever they are read.

Citizens are fed up with Dem-invited migrants that have disdain for US law and culture

So says Paul.
And to my knowledge there is no passage where Jesus asked Paul to write anything.
When one is trying to get to the heart of what Jesus taught and spoke, it's usually best to quote those words attributed to him.
Paul was taught by Christ. Peter was taught by Christ and affirmed Paul's teachings were scripture. So, they are from God himself.
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Trump signs executive order classifying fentanyl as a ‘weapon of mass destruction’

Slow down with the crazy liberal communist hate America rhetoric.
Cars and guns kill way more people than, say, nucular weapons ever have. More than chemical weapons. They sound like a WMD on steroids to me.

Do you know they also use boats! to bring in cars to our country! I'm going the prepare a presentation to the UN so we can get a coalition of the willing fired up.
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National Security Strategy

If President Trump is as bad as you and the liberal fake news try to present him as, what makes you think that there will be a "midterm election"? The fact is President Trump is the most popular president ever with the highest ratings at this point in his term and a huge majority of Americans support his vision and great work he has been doing.
What news have you been listening to in order to believe this rot. Please give us the slightest bit of evidence that shows Trump is popular.
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Citizens are fed up with Dem-invited migrants that have disdain for US law and culture

So how do you justify wanting to make laws against sinful sex?
I don't use scripture to justify any law against any sinful act. Just like i don't use scripture to justify any law forcing people to give away their time, money, belongings and health to others.

That is NOT what scripture calls us to do.
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What really is "dividing the body of Christ"??

I believe the true division is in what the Bible actually says and what people want to impose their own will upon.
Exactly. We've been putting our will, designed to suit our wants, over the will of God ever since the Garden. Most never consider weighing our wants against His Will in their daily lives. They don't understand the second commandment, especially the second part. Serve God and each other, especially without remuneration? Preposterous.
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National Security Strategy

If President Trump is as bad as you and the liberal fake news try to present him as, what makes you think that there will be a "midterm election"? The fact is President Trump is the most popular president ever with the highest ratings at this point in his term and a huge majority of Americans support his vision and great work he has been doing.
I guess I expect elections because even Trump can't suspend them without a serous cause such as boots on the ground fighting on U.S. soil. Even if Trump somehow succeeded in postponing elections, it will only make things worse. I think by 2026 Trump will either have far less fight in him, or many in the GOP will defect. Fake news is suggesting that Trump's ratings are great. New Trump approval rating poll finds worsening support among MAGA base
They are far from that and if you have not noticed the tide is turning. Though Trump wins some legal battles he seems likely to lose both tariff authority in all cases and birthright citizenship. The tide is turning too from other GOP in Congress. Trump was promising, he blew out the entire GOP platform and replaced it with MAGA, some of which were good ideas if done in moderation and with more compassion. Instead, his methods were too crass and his implementation too barbaric. I am not sure that even a war would rally people behind Trump. Many Americans wanted Trump like the Israelites wanted King Saul. The candidate that would clean house and replace it with extreme prosperity. Why think there can be revival/renewal without humility? or that disregarding the poor would be a good policy? I know the rise and fall of Trump must seem sad to many, but why? What did one expect? That the USA could tariff their way to prosperity? Anyway, don't be disillusioned, we all can still humble ourselves and seek God for solutions for America that turn the tide in a way that lifts the church up rather than bring it contempt.
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Left-Wing Terrorism Is on the Rise

I think what we are saying is that the Right is no better.
No, the left is claiming the right is worse.
Nobody is saying the Right hates everybody.
I didn't say that. I said the claim was the right hates everyone they don't agree with. And the left does exactly that.
Nobody is claiming that about the entire right. Even Hillary only accused half of you of being deplorable.
You made made my point Thank you.
Watch the news.
I do. He isn't. Once again you make my point.
Wait! I thought you were condemning left wing violence, and there you go excusing it.
As I said, until you stop it, it will continue. And it appears in your post you are refusing to do so. So the violence will continue and you will consider it justified.
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What really is "dividing the body of Christ"??

People use this phrase a lot when there are arguments but for the most part, it looks like people are using it incorrectly, so I thought I'd start off this discussion by expounding on what is, and isn't "dividing the body of Christ".

1. First, let's define the word "dividing".
Dividing means to separate. I mean, that's as plain as it can get lol. If you divide an apple in half, you are cutting into two pieces. It is no longer whole, it is divided.

2. Now, what is the body of Christ?
It's a metaphor used by Paul in 1 Corinthians 12 and Romans 12 to describe the Church as a whole. All believers in Jesus, united under one head of leadership. We can get more nuanced with this but let's just leave it as, anyone who follows Christ in faith. So regardless of denomination, race, or background.

3. Dividing the Body of Christ
So instead of unity (one body) all following Christ, you have division. Examples of this are:
  • A) Breaking unity over non-essentials like: "I follow Paul" or "I follow Apollos" (1 Corinthians 3:4).
  • B) Promoting False Doctrine (Galatians 5:7-10, Romans 16:17, 1 Corinthians 1:10)
  • Gossip or slander (Proverbs 6:16-19, Proverbs 16:28, 2 Corinthians 12:20) But there is a difference between "quarreling" and debate. The motive for quarreling is often pride (James 4:1) and can be over arguments that are "foolish" in nature (Titus 3:9) because the outcome ruins "good hearers" (2 Timothy 2:14 and 2 Timothy 2:23). The Motive for a debate is restoration by correction which can have a fruitful outcome when someone is corrected.
4. So if promoting false doctrine is considered dividing the body, what is NOT dividing the body?

Rebuke: Correcting a person in error by holding them accountable, correcting behavior and correcting scripture. (Matthew 18:15, Luke 17:3, 2 Timothy 4:2, 1 Timothy 5:20, Titus 1:13)

If someone is preaching something false, that's already divided, but debating someone or even getting into a heated debate, isn't dividing, it's actually an attempt at becoming whole again where both people can agree. THAT is unity. So I think people need to be careful that just because 2 people are having an argument/debate, doesn't necessarily mean division, when scripturally speaking its a step towards unity (depending on context of course).

Denominations are already scripturally divided and we should duke it out more often so we can come together in unity of belief instead of attempting to pacify the debate with a chastisement of "dividing the body of Christ" which is only preventing us from actually being whole and keeping us divided with "you interpret it this way, I interpret it this way" and leaving it in that divided state. That's not helping, thats encouraging continued true division.

So within this context, can we stop throwing that phrase around and continue debating so we can become a unified front instead of a fractured one?

Now, within that spirit, feel free to debate me. :heart:
I believe the true division is in what the Bible actually says and what people want to impose their own will upon.
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Tim Walz Vows to Bring More Somalis to Minnesota, Despite Growing Fraud Scandal Reaching Into the Billions

I came from Somalia at 19. Let me tell you about the America I met.​

<excerpt>

"Years passed, and my assumptions about life in America kept collapsing. I enrolled in a federally funded job training program, where I started out learning to be an electrician and left with a path to college. I studied public affairs at a public university while working about 30 hours a week as a bus driver. I interned at a federal agency in Washington. I graduated with high distinction and was chosen to give the commencement speech for my class.

People opened doors for me. They offered mentorship without expecting anything in return. They connected me to opportunities I did not know existed. In college, I spent a semester in D.C. as part of a leadership program funded by a generous American sponsor. Later, I studied abroad, financed by another generous American who did not even know my name. I graduated and started working for a Fortune 500 company. I continued my education further than I ever imagined possible, all the way to a top business school in this country.

Along the way, I eventually accepted a truth that would have sounded impossibly naive to my 19-year-old self: America really does try to live up to its ideals."


Most Americans welcome the immigrant....despite what you hear from Donald J Trump and some of his supporters.
He's exactly the person we appreciate coming here. The one that wishes to take advantage of the great opportunities we have here. He assimilated into our society and become an American. I'm glad He's here.
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James Woods emotional response to Trump on Rob Reiner's death

It's a concern. Trump's dementia symptoms are getting worse and worse. And this time, his staff and appointees are not controlling his impulsive actions.
Controlling? They are celebrating!
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Overcoming by the Word of their testimony...

Hi there,

Revelation 12:11
And they have conquered him by the blood of the Lamb and by the word of their testimony, for they loved not their lives even unto death.

I am interested in comments on what is meant by "the word of their testimony"

Also - who exactly is being referred to - who is 'they' ???

The Holy Martyrs - such as St. Barbara, whose feast day this is on the Julian calendar, St. Ignatius of Antioch, St. Justin, St. George, St. Abanoub, St. Mina, St. Philopater Mercurius, St. Peter the Aleut, - who followed Christ in the most extreme way, and likewise the Holy Confessors - St. Nicholas, St. Maximus, St. John Chrysostom, all who suffered for Christ our God. Indeed St. Maximus died within days of being rendered ex lingua, and St. John the Golden Mouthed was death marched for daring to object to the solid gold commode of the Empress. In the case of St. Nicholas the Bishop of Myra, forensic anthropological analysis of his myrhh streaming, incorrupt skeleton indicates his nose was broken at least three times during the Diocletian persecution.
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