Anyone got any wisdom, any understanding on these forums, on this particular thread ?

Look below at John 8, and see if anyone can understand the reason why the Pharisees of the law, brought a woman to Jesus to be stoned, and why Jesus wrote on the ground, AS THOUGH HE DIDNT HEAR THEM ? The first simple answer is because The Pharisees we have it testified, did not HEAR MOSES AND THE PROPHETS. ( so would not be persuaded though one rose from the dead. Would not be persuaded by faith.) So LIKEWISE, Jesus does NOT HEAR THEM. The next testimony is that we have it testified again, against the Pharisees or those under the law, that God does NOT HEAR SINNERS. Jesus continues to reveal they are indeed those sinners who are not heard, as all were CONVICTED BY THEIR OWN CONSCIENCE, when Jesus answered to them, that they are WITH SIN.



Luke 16:31 And he said unto him, If TEY HEAR NOT MOSES AND THE PROPHETS, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.

John 9:31 Now WE KNOW THAT GOD HEARETH NOT SINNERS: but if any man be a worshipper of God, and doeth his will, him he heareth.

John 8:3 And the scribes and Pharisees brought unto him a woman taken in adultery; and when they had set her in the midst,
4 They say unto him, Master, this woman was taken in adultery, in the very act.
5 Now Moses in the law commanded us, that such should be stoned: but what sayest thou?

John 8:6 This they said, tempting him, that they might have to accuse him. But Jesus stooped down, and with his finger wrote on the ground, AS THEY HE HEARD THEM NOT.

John 8:7 So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, HE THAT IS WITHOUT SIN AMONG YOU, let him first cast a stone at her.
8 And again he stooped down, and wrote on the ground.
9 And THEY WHICH HEARD IT, BEING CONVICTED BY THEIR OWN CONSCIENCE went out one by one, beginning at the eldest, even unto the last: and Jesus was left alone, and the woman standing in the midst.



What did it also mean that these of the LAW WERE CONVICTED OF THEIR OWN CONSCIENCE ?

It means that is why the Sprit expressly spoke about the latter times, how men DEPART FROM THE FAITH, hearing seducing spirits and DOCTRINES OF DEVILS, SPEAKING LIES IN HYPOCRISY, and having THEIR CONSCIENCE SEARED WITH A HOT IRON. ( unlike the Pharisees who were CONVICTED BY THEIR OWN CONSCIENCE by what Jesus answered them.)

Jesus had corrected those under the law, to not do as Moses had commanded in the law, to stone a woman taken in adultery to death.

Now we know that these are now DEPARTED FROM THE FAITH, with a devils doctrine/SPEAKING LIES IN HYPOCRISY. What s testified is them taking control of men, they forbid to marry, and they COMMAND ( NOTICE HOW MANY ON THIS FORUM TEACH TO KEEP COMMANDMENTS AS THEIR DOCTRINE.) to abstain from meats. ( also testified that this is against those WHICH BELIEVE, and KNOW THE TRUTH.)

If we put the brothers in memory/understanding of these things, we are being a GOOD minister of Jesus Christ, NOURISHED up in the word of FAITH, and GOOD doctrine. ( not heading those doctrines of DEVILS.)

Instead we are to give all focus on reading, exhortation ( like this says in the faith) and to doctrine ( GOOD.) to meditate upon those things, and t give ourselves wholly to them, to TAKE HEED unto yourself, and unto the doctrine, and to continue in THEM, to SAVE BOTH YOURSELF, and THOSE WHO HEAR YOU. ( unlike the Pharisees of the law not heard by God, and these who depart the faith who do not hear Christ.)

The word is to be preached, to reprove these ones, to rebuke them, with all longsuffering and doctrine, the time came ( before Christ Jesus will judge the quick and the dead at His appearing and His Kingdom.) when they will NOT ENDURE SOUND DOCTRINE, but with their own lusts heap to themselves these TEACHERS, ( with DOCTRINES OF DEVILS..) to turn away their ears from the truth unto fables. But we are to WATCH IN ALL THINGS, to endure afflictions, to make full proof of our ministry.




1 Timothy 4:1 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall DEPART FROM THE FAITH, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;
2 SPEAKING LIES IN HYPOCRISY; having THEIR CONSCIENCE3 SEARED WITH A HOT IRON;
3 Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth.

1 Timothy 4:4 For every creature of God is good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving:
5 For it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer.

1 Timothy 4:6 If thou put the brethren in remembrance of these things, thou shalt be a GOOD minister of Jesus Christ, NOURISHED UP IN THE WORDS OF FAITH and of GOOD DOCTRINE, whereunto thou hast attained.

1 Timothy 4:13 Till I come, give attendance to reading, to exhortation, to doctrine.
14 Neglect not the gift that is in thee, which was given thee by prophecy, with the laying on of the hands of the presbytery.
15 Meditate upon these things; give thyself wholly to them; that thy profiting may appear to all.
16 Take heed unto thyself, and unto the doctrine; continue in them: for in doing this thou shalt both save thyself, and them that hear thee.

2 Timothy 4:1 I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom;
2 Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all long suffering and doctrine.
3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves TEACHERS, having itching ears;
4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.
5 But watch thou in all things, endure afflictions, do the work of an evangelist, make full proof of thy ministry.


Now these people do not have the Spirit by promoting doctrines of devils and by departing from the faith. ( as was foretold to be with COMMANDMENTS of men.) But those who make full proof of their ministry have the Spirit of revelation. Turning to fables, is what was predicted to happen, and it is happening as if it is a good thing on the FORUMS.

It was testified in this very thread, ( began by me to try to stop law discussion.) that nobody without Christ in them can have morals, as they are then REPROBATES. That was ignored completely and also attempted to be answered back. ( that would prove if anyone was in the FAITH. 2 Corinthians 13:5.)

Now look at the REVELATION, God has given them over to a REPROBATE MIND, to do those things NOT CONVENIENT, and are filled with all that unrighteousness is, ( unrighteousness is not the transgression of the law to those who are in Christ Jesus, as what is NOT OF FAITH IS SIN..1 John 3:3-10. Romans 14:23. John 8:24.) with wickedness covetousness, maliciousness, full of envy, murder, DEBATE, DECEIT, MALIGNITY, ( causing harm/division) by being despiteful, proud, boasters, INVENTERS OF EVIL THINGS, IMPLACABLE, ( wont ever be corrected.) they know the judgement of God that if anyone COMMITED these things, they are WORTH OF DEAATH, they do them and have PLEASURE IN THOSE WHO DO THEM. ( instead of having pleasure as God does when we have FAITH and DILLIGENTLY SEEK HIM. Hebrews 11:6.)




Romans 1:28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a REPROBATE MIND, to DO THOSE THINGS which are not convenient;
29 BEING FILLED WITH ALL unrighteousness, fornication, WICKEDNESS, COVETOUSNESS, MALICIOUSNESS; FULL OF envy, murder, DEBATE, DECEIT, MALIGNITY; whisperers,
30 Backbiters, haters of God, DESPITEFUL, PROUD, BOASTERS, INVENTERS OF EVIL THINGS, disobedient to parents,
31 Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, IMPLACABLE, unmerciful:
32 Who KNOWING THE JUDGEMENT OF GOD, that they which COMMIT SUCH THINGS ARE WORTHY OF DEATH, not only DO THE SAME, but HAVE PLEASURE IN THEM THAT DO THEM.

2 Corinthians 13:5 Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves. Know ye not your own selves, how that Jesus Christ is in you, except ye be reprobates?

Hebrews 11:6 But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.




That was one revelation of who is reprobate, the next. We saw how the time had come for men to not endure sound doctrine, but to be TURNED UNTO FABLES. ( heaping to themselves these teachers/with doctrines of devils.)

This continues in Timothy, how we are exhorted not to give HEED UNTO FABLES, they minister QUESTIONS/DEBATE, rather than GODLY EDIFYING WHICH IS IN FAITH. The commandment ( of faith.) is CHARITY, out of a PURE HEART, ( hearts purified by FAITH. Acts 15:9.) and of a GOOD CONSCIENCE, of FAITH unfeigned. ( these teaching law in the latter times have their CONSCIENCE SEARED WITH A HOT IRON.)

Some swerved FROM THE FAITH, and turned ASIDE unto VAIN JANGLING, DESIRING TO BE TEACHERS OF THE LAW, and are seen to not understand what they say nor what they affirm. ( DO THOSE SAME TEACHERS OF THE LAW ON THESE FORUMS EVEN UNDERSTAND WHAT SIN IS, OR WHAT REPROBATE/TO BE WITHOUT MORALS IS ? The answer to both is to be without the Faith of the Lord Jesus Christ, which is THEIR DOCTRINE. )

The law is made for the unrighteous man, when 1 John 3, as told so many times, is not for men any longer under the law, as it testifies of being righteous with Christ IN YOU. ( in FAITH and NOT UNDER ANY LAW/as WITHOUT LAW.)

We are enabled and counted FAITHFUL, to obtain mercy when we do in ignorance by UNBELIEF, ( not with faith and under any law, which is what transgression of the law is.) to receive the GRACE of our Lord Jesus Christ with faith and love.




Acts 15:9 And put no difference between us and them, purifying their hearts by faith.

1 Timothy 1:4 NEITHER GIVE HEED UNTO FABLES and endless genealogies, WHICH MINISTER QUESTIONS, rather THAN GODLY EDIFYING WHICH IS IN FAITH: so do.
5 Now the end of the commandment is charity out of a pure heart, and of a good conscience, and of faith unfeigned:

1 Timothy 1:6 From which some having swerved have turned aside unto vain jangling;
7 Desiring to be teachers of the law; understanding neither what they say, nor whereof they affirm.


1 Timothy 1:8 But we know that the law is good, if a man use it lawfully;
9 Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers,
10 For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine;
11 According to the glorious gospel of the blessed God, which was committed to my trust.


1 Timothy 1:12 And I thank Christ Jesus our Lord, who hath enabled me, for that he counted me faithful, putting me into the ministry;
13 Who was before a blasphemer, and a persecutor, and injurious: but I obtained mercy, because I did it ignorantly in unbelief.
14 And the grace of our Lord was exceeding abundant with faith and love which is in Christ Jesus.



That is how to draw near to God, in FULL ASSURANCE OF FAITH, having our hearts SPRINKLED from an EVIL CONSCIENCE.

Now we are saved, by the ANSWER OF A GOOD CONSCIENCE towards God, BY ( FAITH.) in the resurrection of Jesus Christ, who is gone into heaven and is on the right hand of God. ( angels and authorities and powers being MADE SUBJECT unto HIM..)



Hebrews 10:22 Let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled from an evil conscience, and our bodies washed with pure water.

1 Peter 3:21 The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:
22 Who is gone into heaven, and is on the right hand of God; angels and authorities and powers being made subject unto him.

RandyPNW said:

I don't know why you spend so much time gathering up passages of Scripture just to condemn Israel? What Israel experienced was an example for the world. If Israel backslid, and she did, then Christian nations have done the same.

The idea is to bring out another option--the option of Grace. When people repent by the Gospel they can escape the judgment that fell upon Israel and that now falls upon the world. That is what we should focus upon.

I don't think Israel or Jerusalem is the "Mother of Harlots" indicated in Rev 17. I think that role belongs to Rome, which was Christianized early in NT history. Rome has gone down the same path that Israel did, gradually and intermittently turning to compromise and gross sin. Certainly in the time of the Reformation Catholic abuses in Rome turned very ugly. And though things have improved over the course of the last number of centuries I think things may turn ugly again.

When Rome and Europe turns to the Antichrist the true Church will have to go underground for a short time. That will not just be an Israeli thing--it will be a Europe-wide thing, I believe.

Anyway, yes, I think all men were created with the capacity to do genuine good things. We see them every day. Even non-Christians can do good works--how can that be doubted?

But justification is what you mentioned, and I agree that despite all the good works men do they cannot be justified unless they turn to Christ for Grace. We are justified by faith in what Christ did and by faith in what he gives us by his mercy.

The environment in the world today has been breaking out in a fit of antiSemitism. Let's not involve ourselves in that ugly spirit. Why should we criticize the victims rather than the oppressors?

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If you don't know anything, read again what I am about to post to all on this thread in these forums.

rjs330 said:

Its such a shame that Schumer is putting politics above the American people. He's causing pain instead of keeping the government open. All because he thinks he's going to score political points. It's going to backfire.

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Democrats have already lost everything. What does Schumer have to lose by keeping this going? If neither side will back down then both sides are equally responsible for the shutdown dragging on.

Yeshua HaDerekh said:

Imagine that...saying Trump was guilty BEFORE there was even a trial and she was going to get HIM specifically!

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What was wrong with that? She's entitled to her opinion, same as everyone else, and she has the right to voice that opinion, same as everyone else. She was running to be elected as a prosecutor, of course she was going to pledge she'd prosecute criminals.

Thing is, though, when it came time to actually prosecute Trump, she didn't just utter her opinion in court and call it a day. She provided EVIDENCE. And that EVIDENCE was sufficient to prove Trump was guilty.

It remains to be seen if Trump's DOJ has the same preponderance of evidence against James as she had against Trump, though. From what I've read, it doesn't seem like it, but it's always possible there's more evidence than we currently know about. Stranger things have happened.

-- A2SG, never imagined a president would so blatantly use the DOJ to go after those he has a personal grudge against, but here we are.....

essentialsaltes said:

Starving children screaming for food as US aid cuts unleash devastation and death across Myanmar​

On May 21, exactly two weeks after Taher’s little boy died, U.S. Secretary of State Marco Rubio sat before Congress and declared: “No one has died” because of his government’s decision to gut its foreign aid program.

Evaluating the impact of two decades of USAID interventions and projecting the effects of defunding on mortality up to 2030: a retrospective impact evaluation and forecasting analysis​

Higher levels of USAID funding—primarily directed toward LMICs, particularly African countries—were associated with a 15% reduction in age-standardised all-cause mortality (risk ratio [RR] 0·85, 95% CI 0·78–0·93) and a 32% reduction in under-five mortality (RR 0·68, 0·57–0·80). ... Forecasting models predicted that the current steep funding cuts could result in more than 14 051 750 (uncertainty interval 8 475 990–19 662 191) additional all-age deaths, including 4 537 157 (3 124 796–5 910 791) in children younger than age 5 years, by 2030.

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This whole post is based on a claim that a US foreign aid cut has more impact on human deaths in the Myanmar ( Burma) conflict than the conflict itself. The conflict is said to be ongoing since the post colonial era in 1948. Then a projected worldwide genocide exclusively from US foreign aid expenditures. It inverts the reality of ongoing death & destruction worldwide to the impact of foreign aid spending from one source.

Perspective on Myanmar from above is that US aid expenditure cuts unleash death & destruction across Myanmar. There has been ongoing death & destruction since 1948.


And it is happening as posts here are made.

Paramotors: Myanmar army's lethal new weapon in civil war

Then the conclusion is that future worldwide famine & deaths will be attributed to foreign aid cuts rather than ongoing human conflicts. This seems more like propaganda.

rambot said:

When they are just doing their job?

Well it seems I come across examples of this everyday...just crossed another one.

WATCH: ICE Sued After Videos Capture Pastor Shot With ‘Chemical Pellets’ at Peaceful Protest

I bet that pastor was attacking them or someth....
https://www.reddit.com/r/illinois/s/09n0juVcj3


If there are people having trouble understanding why people dislike how iCE is doing their work, I'm hoping folks will be willing to share some examples. I'll do my bit when I can.

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Basically there are two main positions on Immigration law. Those who want safety and secuirty of borders but also law and order in society. Then there are the radical Marxist ideologues who want open borders and defund the police as they believe there should be no borders and law and order is oppression.

They oppose government power to enforce laws and want a free for all in the name of a DEI utopia. Pie in the sky stuff. Its often decends into violence because if we look at all the groups who have this ideology they end up using terror to achieve the destruction of the percieved oppressors.

ICE is seen as an arm of the oppressor Trump who is a Nazi and fascists that must be stopped. Just applying the normal law enforcement that any rational society would apply to keep their borders safe is deemed as oppression and therefore this must be met with terror.

Its more or less the same ideology as Islamists. Except rather than a Caliphate and Sharia law or bringing about Allahs rule. The Marxists ideologues want a Socialist utopia of some sort where all outcomes are equal. BUt both percieve the world as there being oppressors and infidels that must be stopped with violence and terror.

They see the world as oppressors and victims so every action against the percieved oppressed which includes terrorist groups and harden criminals and organisations is seen as oppression and must be met with terror.

They have the perfect army in that many are already criminals, gangs, organised crime and terror groups that are utilising the deluded western ideologues who fall for all this ideological thinking. The two have some weird cojoining like we see with groups like Queers for Palestine and Hamas. Its a strange phenomena.

But their common hate for all things western, whites, Jews and Christians unites them.

Apple Sky said:

I'm against anything that requires breathing apparatus to do it.

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If you had a severe respiratory illness you might need "breathing apparatus" to stay alive.

Besides, if you don't like the idea of mountain climbing or deep sea diving, you don't have to do it.

Apple Sky said:

IMO if God had meant for us to fly, he would have given us wings and the ability to breath in space,

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You could equally say, "if God had meant us to swim he would have given us fins, scales and the ability to breathe under water."
That's an illogical argument.

Apple Sky said:

this supposed walking on the moon is against God's natural creation.

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Every time you say, "so called walking on the moon" or "apparent walking on the moon" , you are reinforcing your insistence that all the eyewitnesses were lying.
Then, when someone else talks about an aspect of the moon landings, the first thing you say is, "prove it."

Apple Sky said:

I know we jet off around the world but just look at the air disasters we have encountered

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And just look at those that we haven't encountered - all the thousands of successful flights to see loved ones, go on business trips or even to travel to the Holy Land to see where Jesus lived and ministered.
Paul and the other Apostles would absolutely have made use of aeroplanes in their work of spreading the Gospel.

Apple Sky said:

& what is the first thing the victims do, blame God.

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People blame God for all sorts, and question his apparent inability to stop suffering.
You might as well say, "let's ban food, because some people choke to death, get food poisoning, have allergies etc and blame God for that". "Let's not build any tall buildings because some people might jump off them, end their lives and their families will blame God".
"Let's ban computers, because some people use them to access filth and evil or research ways to kill themselves. Then people blame God for the increase in rape and murder."

In fact you could legitimately say, "let's ban conspiracy theories", after the recent case of a former nurse who denied her daughter chemotherapy and she died. The mother is now facing prosecution.

That some people choose to blame God for something, is not a reason to ban it.

David Lamb said:

So you would rather believe this video claiming to show astronauts faking the moon trip than the Christian testimony of an astronaut like Charles Duke saying that he did indeed go to the moon? Are you saying, as Apple Sky does, that he was lying?

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David I can only go what the NASA footage shows me and that’s shows the Apollo crew clearly staging a fake scenario claiming to be out in deep space when they are still in earths orbit. You ask of the Christian one Charles Duke. My reply to your question would be. Did any astronaut really pass through the Van Allen’s belt before even setting foot on the moon. You must remember there Be no medical journal that speaks favourably of the affects of radiation in doing so and of no adequate protection to suffice . One poster wrote they were going fast enough to not really be affected. But even with the alleged shorter journey through Van Ellen’s belt your still dealing with 3 hours

Always in His Presence said:

People with ‘sterling character’ don’t lie on mortgage applications.

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The charges were brought by the DOJ. A Grand Jury of her peers brought the indictment.

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What are you talking about? Since when is a grand jury ever been known to constitute as a “jury” of the Target’s peers? On what planet?

A “jury of” their peers is in reference to a formal court proceeding involving a jury that will decide guilt/innocence/fault/liabiltiy/ in which the venire panel is subjected to questioning by the defendant for purposes of discovering biases, prejudices, favoritism, lack of partiality, can be fair, consider the evidence objectively, revealing people favorable, unfavorable, or neutral in towards the defendant and facts of the case.

That is NOT what transpires in a grand jury.

I’ve presented to grand juries before.
The statement a prosecutor can obtain an indictment for a ham sandwich is extraordinarily accurate! At a GJ defense attorney is not present to reveal to the jury exculpatory evidence or evidence detrimental to the government’s case and the government isn’t obligated to do so in a GJ, and the prosecutor can and would withhold damaging evidence from a GJ if the goal is to obtain an indictment and almost guarantee an indictment by withhold that evidence.

Conversely, when I do not want the GJ to indict for various reasons, I provide all the damning evidence to the government’s case and may strongly hint to the GJ not to indict if they think I couldn’t obtain a guilty verdict at trial.

The Comey and Letitia indictments have led to an unexpected phenomenon, considerable numbers of MAGA, Trump supporters, and Republicans, have illuminated their knowledge of the GJ process is anemic and inaccurate, as they hastily rush to defend the veracity of GJ indictments that are very easily attainable for prosecutors.

David Lamb said:

Are you also against diving, or climbing high mountains? Both require breathing apparatus.

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I'm against anything that requires breathing apparatus to do it.

MarkSB said:

I appreciate the charitable tone of your posts. Regarding the first sentence in the above paragraph: The problem is that like most hospitals, government funding (such as Medicare and Medicaid) likely accounts for a sizeable portion of their revenue. They are supported by the public and they must serve the public, not one particular religious denomination or set of religious beliefs.

It seems like you are in agreement that they should have handled this situation differently. Personally, I believe they should have a right to not perform elective abortions - but that is not what this was. Again - it seems like you're in agreement on this... so just reiterating the points which you have made.

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The problem is when any organisation or religion want to provide support in this world based on their beliefs and they conflict with secular ideology they are going to be in a hard situations to begin with.

This would not happen in secular hospitals that allow abortions as there is no determinations to be made in tricky and unusual situations. Everyone is sutomatically referred no matter what. The ethics of abortion has already been decided in favor of abortion. So its never going to come up and create ethical dilemmas.

Thats no excuse but it is a setback for religious organisations that have to navigate when the exceptional situations come up. They obviously did not think about such a situation happening and what best to do. It took such a situation to highlight the gap in their policies and proceedures.

The idea of public funding and the right to practice a religious belief depends on belief itself I think. Though there are obvious situations such as emergency health care which is a matter of life and death and the ethics should be to save life full stop if a person is in a medical emergency. Politics and beliefs are irrelevant.

But the fundemental idea that a religious organisation must conform to government regulations and laws is not necesarily a clear cut determination. Sometimes the State pushed their own ideological beliefs through laws like trans ideology in schools and DEI in workplace policy.

Or even the policy of allowing abortion can be seen itself as a bad law and policy that causes more harm than good. So the determination of what should be allowed in secular society is not always the best thing even if its codified.

The right for a religious organisation to disagree and promote an alternative approach such as traditional marriage in adoption or psycho therapy and prayer for trans or women wanting an abortion is a consititutional right. BUt today its regarded as being hateful and denying people thier rights. BUt still this is a subjective belief and not fact or relaity.

Deal the cards.

Apple Sky said:

IMO if God had meant for us to fly, he would have given us wings and the ability to breath in space, this supposed walking on the moon is against God's natural creation.

I know we jet off around the world but just look at the air disasters we have encountered & what is the first thing the victims do, blame God.

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Are you also against diving, or climbing high mountains? Both require breathing apparatus. As for air disasters, yes, they can be terrible, but so can shipwrecks; we only have to think of the Titanic, on which about 1,500 people died.

I agree that people, especially people who say they don't even believe in Him, blame God for accidents, and that is wrong.

stevevw said:

I give up. You win lol. I can't keep doing this techno stuff. Your killing me with science lol. I have two different claims. In fact I have several independent groups saying these are 3D anaysis and they speak in 3D language about the vases precision in the shapes like spheres and cyclinders.

They appear to have done the 3D metrology and software analysis in the language they use over and over and over again.

If you claim that I am not technically able to go into the specific then why are you throwing this stuff at me.

Like I said write a paper. You have half done it already it seems. Finish it and send it in to the research groups to point out this obvious error they all overlooked and that you are the only one who spotted it lol.

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Needless to say your response has nothing to with addressing the differences between the 'superior' least square method of some part time amateur code writers over the approved ISO standard involving years (often decades) of technical development, international collaboration, and validation before approval is granted.
It simply proves the techno stuff is beyond you capability for comprehension.

Oompa Loompa said:

Had it been the other way around and Trump was being indicted,democrats wouldn't think it would be frivolous then.

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So what? Whether the indictment is or isn’t frivolous is not determined by asserting Democrats wouldn’t perceive the indictment as frivolous if it were Trump that was indicated. At most all you’ve shown is Republicans and Democrats are rather crappy at objectivity in this context, leaving the question of whether this indictment is frivolous for the other adults in the room to discuss.

Aldebaran said:

Wasn't it Latitia James who went after Trump for what she called a financial fraud which turned out to be more of a paperwork error?

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No, "it" turned out to be a guilty verdict for fraud, not just a paperwork error.

Ironically, the case against James may actually turn out to be nothing more than that, but we'll have to see what happens when, or if, this ever goes to trial.

Aldebaran said:

Maybe she'll end up having to pay out the $100,000,000 she tried to get from him. That would be a fitting end to a woman who made it her campaign theme to go after Trump. It would be a lot like Haman going after Mordecai in the book of Esther, and then suffering the fate she intended for him.

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Yeah, imagine a prosecutor running for office on the pledge of going after criminals!

-- A2SG, throw the book at her already....

David Lamb said:

But as you say, God's word talks about the sky being where birds fly. If space rockets are wrong, then so are hot-air balloons, aeroplanes, and helicopters. The bible doesn't mention the sea as being a place to swim or sail boats, but God's word mentions both without condemning such activities.

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IMO if God had meant for us to fly, he would have given us wings and the ability to breath in space, this supposed walking on the moon is against God's natural creation.

I know we jet off around the world but just look at the air disasters we have encountered & what is the first thing the victims do, blame God.

BPPLEE said:

I don’t see it, I don’t think they have a case

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Me neither. I mean...just what?

Aldebaran said:

Maybe she'll end up having to pay out the $100,000,000 she tried to get from him. That would be a fitting end to a woman who made it her campaign theme to go after Trump. It would be a lot like Haman going after Mordecai in the book of Esther, and then suffering the fate she intended for him.

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Oh, is that what you are calling two wrongs make a right these days, poetic justice.

She was wrong for how she specifically campaigned and what she essentially promised to seek to accomplish regarding Trump. But her wrong doesn’t absolve Trump of prosecution by revenge, vindictiveness, and possibly lawfare. Your look away from Trump’s malfeasance to Letitia’s is a common distraction technique which doesn’t address the impropriety of Trump’s conduct.

Wasn't it Latitia James who went after Trump for what she called a financial fraud which turned out to be more of a paperwork error?

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Factually no. When your characterizations are not harmonious with the facts, in this context, any pretense of objectively scrutinizing the facts eviscerates leaving no doubt your proclivities for Trump.

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In God's real creation man is confined to the earth God has created for his creation to live and reproduce on. Man like the birds God created, have been given the ability to simply fly across the face of the earth in the raqia (sky, dome, expanse). But that is the extent of mans ability to actually leave the physical land/ground of the earth.

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It clearly isn't, it's just that you don't believe it.

d taylor said:

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These science lies about God's creation staring back some 2000+ years age with a globe earth from pagan cultures. Has been accepted into the beliefs of churches who identify with The God of The Bible. Just like Israel adopted the idol worship of pagan cultures that surrounded them in their lives.

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The Bible says that God created the heavens, the earth and everything that we see around us today, John 1:3.
It does not tell us how he created it, how long it took him or what shape he made it. That is not the purpose of the Bible.

d taylor said:

This moving away from belief in God's true creation

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I don't know of any churches which teach that God did not make the world/universe.

d taylor said:

has manifested it's self in other areas of un-Bibical beliefs also throughout churches around the earth.

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Such as?

stevevw said:

In other words they are not only preficent in using the standard industry software but they are skilled enough to create new industry standards of software to properly analyse the vases in full 3D form as they are unrecedented objects that required new methods of anaysing. .

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To summarize your post it is the usual BS of doubling down because you do not have the capacity of presenting coherent intelligent counterarguments.

You have saved the best piece of BS for last, if you think part time amateur metrology coders have been using standard industry software for calculations or better still have created new industry standards then prove it.
You can start by showing their methods are recognised by ISO, ASTM, SAE, SA, JIS etc while the old metrology procedures have been discontinued.

I expect the standard lie “it’s not my responsibility” for good reason the various organizations listed which develop the standards represent little more to you than letters of the alphabet.