Dan1988 said:

Here's what Gods Word reveals about your Denominations >>>>>

1 John 2:19, which reads: "They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would have continued with us; but they went out that they might be made manifest, that none of them were of us"

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Oh so 1 John 2:19 is about the churches in Rome, Antioch, Alexandria, and Jerusalem? Congratulations you just cherry picked a passage of scripture and applied it to the apostolic churches when NOTHING IN THE ENTIRE EPISTLE SAYS ANYTHING ABOUT THOSE CHURCHES. You just conjured that out of thin air by your imagination.

And another thing, you still don’t know what denomination I am because I’ve never stepped foot in any of these churches or denominations. I just don’t refute the fact that these churches were the apostolic churches planted by the apostles themselves because it’s irrefutable to anyone who knows anything about church history. I’m not Roman Catholic, I’m not Eastern Orthodox, and I’m not Eastern Oriental. I’m a nondenominational who has a tendency to lean towards the Eastern Orthodox doctrines on soteriology. I agree with them on some things and I disagree with them on some things which is why I never joined the church even tho I do hold them in very high regard.

stevevw said:

There you go, only certain views and beliefs are allowed according. Exactly my point. You call Ancient and Indigenous knowledge as well as Christianity pseudoscience. We now know your belief.

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That is slanderous and disgusting. You owe Warden an apology.

stevevw said:

Post 1098 says nothing about stone softening. In fact its an explanation about how science cannot even measure Ancient and Indigenous knowledge.

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I also only just caught this on my second readthrough of the post and I am instantly reminded of the line from Gilbert & Sullivan's The Mikado, specifically the song "I've Got A Little List":

... Then the idiot who praises, with enthusiastic tone
All centuries but this, and every country but his own;...

Oh, they would not be missed.

stevevw said:

I think you are creating a strawman. In fact I think your making a false claim. Post 1098 says nothing about stone softening. In fact its an explanation about how science cannot even measure Ancient and Indigenous knowledge.

So any claim that its pseudoscience is merely your beleif and not science itself.

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I will admit mea culpa on that one. I should done it as a list. I.e.:
Post #1098.
The claims you've made about the Incas having 'stone softening technology', same as the Ancient Egyptians according to you.
Your claims that we should accept any and every claim made by indigenous people without thought or actual study is definitively an example of pseudoscience.
This whole thread is pseudoscience.

And I stand by that list.

stevevw said:

There you go, only certain views and beliefs are allowed according. Exactly my point. You call Ancient and Indigenous knowledge as well as Christianity pseudoscience. We now know your belief.

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I never said Christianity was pseudoscience, that's you putting words into my mouth. And Ancient and Indigenous knowledge isn't pseudoscience, but your bizarre desire to make it the be-all-end-all of scientific knowledge is.

stevevw said:

OK so is there knowledge about reality that comes from religious belief that we cannot get from scientific inquiries.

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Don't really care to answer that question since it's off-topic and belongs in the philosophy subforum not here.

essentialsaltes said:

They've discovered that flattery gets you a nuclear submarine.

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I have to give you props for holding the Democratic tribe speak like grim death!

I fully understand how their followers are in lock step -

NBB said:

Thing is, scripture supports no sabbath keeping for christians.

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This is certainly an interesting dynamic. According to the Holy Scriptures, The Pharisees full well rejected God's commandments, refused to Submit to God's Righteousness, polluted His Sabbaths and despised God's Judgments.

While the Faithful Church of God, called "Christians", "who were dead in trespasses and sins; Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience:

were taught by the Christ "of the Bible" and His Chosen apostles "that they should repent and turn to God, and do works meet for repentance". They they should " Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof. 13 Neither yield ye your members as instruments of unrighteousness unto sin: but yield yourselves unto God, as those that are alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness unto God.

And the Rock Jesus chose to lead the first church of God under HIS new high Priest, "after the order of Melchizedek" teaches:

1 Peter 1: 13 Wherefore gird up the loins of your mind, be sober, and hope to the end for the grace that is to be brought unto you at the revelation of Jesus Christ; 14 As obedient children, not fashioning yourselves according to the former lusts in your ignorance: 15 But "as he which hath called you is holy", so be ye holy in all manner of conversation; 16 "Because" it is written, Be ye holy; for I am holy.

But now, according to the popular teaching of the religions of this world God placed me in, who "come in Christ's Name", it was the Pharisees who had Yielded themselves servants to obey God's Laws, and God rejected them for obeying His Commandments, and it is the "Christians" who reject God's Judgments, pollute His Sabbaths, create their own high days, and have gone about establishing their own righteousness.

Aren't we warned about this very thing?

Is. 5: 20 Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter! 21 Woe unto them that are wise in their own eyes, and prudent in their own sight!

And again by Jesus Himself.

Matt. 24: 4 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.

5 For many "shall come in my name", saying, I (Jesus) am Christ; and "shall deceive" many.

Remember;

Jer. 17: 9 The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it? 10 I the LORD search the heart, I try the reins, even to give every man according to his ways, and according to the fruit of his doings.

Shall we not abide as "Doers" of the Christ's Sayings, and not hearers only, and "live by" the Word's HE instructs men to Live By?

NBB said:

Also like i said the Holy spirit would get offended if you are sinning seriously.

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According to Peter, the "Holy Spirit" is given to those who "Obey God", not to those refuse to obey God. (Acts 5:29-32) You can read it for yourself.

NBB said:

"Nobody judge you about sabbaths"

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Let's look at what Paul actually says.

Let no man therefore judge "you" in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:

Who is the "You" here? These are folks who have "Yielded themselves" servants to obey God. Who have been "renewed in the Spirit of their mind and have "put on" the new man, which "after God" is created in righteousness and true holiness.

There are those who promote that God's Commandments are not HIS Righteousness, but I find no evidence that Paul engaged in such belief.

NBB said:

"Some consider some days all the same, everyone should be convinced in their own mind"

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Yes, when a man knows God, He should Glorify Him "AS GOD". And "AS GOD" He esteemed some days different than other days. "Let each man be convinced in his own mind", Who to hearken to, God or religious men.

NBB said:

"Council of Jerusalem" What of the law.

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Acts 15: 19 Wherefore my sentence is, that we trouble not them, which from among the Gentiles are turned to God:

20 But that we write unto them, that they abstain from pollutions of idols, (Law of Moses) and from fornication, (Law of Moses) and from things strangled, (Law of Moses) and from blood. (Law of Moses) 21 For Moses of old time hath in every city them that preach him, being read in the synagogues every sabbath day.

This is the same thing Jesus instructed the Multitudes and his Disciples to "do".

Matt. 23: 1 Then spake Jesus to the multitude, and to his disciples,

2 Saying, The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat:

3 All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, that observe and do ( including but not limited to "that they abstain from pollutions of idols, and from fornication, and from things strangled, and from blood".)

but do not ye after their works: for they say, (They promote the Law of Moses) and do not.

4 For they (Pharisees, not God) bind heavy burdens and grievous to be borne, and lay them on men's shoulders; but they themselves will not move them with one of their fingers.

This is the Yoke that Peter was talking about in Acts 15: 10 Now therefore why tempt ye God, to put a yoke upon the neck of the disciples, which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear?

NBB said:

"Did you receive the spirit by obeying the law, or by hearing with faith?"

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Were your sins forgiven because you brought a goat to the Levite Priest, and killed it, as required by the Old Priesthood Law for the remission of sins?

NBB said:

You would think that instead of saying things like this, the NT should of have expicit command to keep the sabbath if you were to sin by not keeping it, it does not, on the contrary.

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Jesus, Paul, Peter and the entire Bible teaches to repent from transgressing God's Commandments AKA, "Sin", and turning to God in "Keeping God's Commandments", AKA, righteousness.

Men are free to pick and choose what Commandments they consider worthy of their honor and respect, and what commandments they judge as unworthy of their honor and respect.

But the Jesus "of the Bible", nor the Law and Prophets, nor the Apostles advocated such a behavior, rather, God gave hundreds maybe thousands of examples of men who walked in this path, even as Eve walked in this path, and the results were the same very time.

It seems prudent to point these things out, considering the warning of the Holy Scriptures.

Federal Judge Drops Brutal Ruling Against Disgraced FBI Agent Who Played Key Role in Russia Hoax​

Who will turn evidence to save themselves?

Warden_of_the_Storm said:

Post #1098. The claims you've made about the Incas having 'stone softening technology', same as the Ancient Egyptians according to you. Your claims that we should accept any and every claim made by indigenous people without thought or actual study is definitively an example of pseudoscience.

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I think you are creating a strawman. In fact I think your making a false claim. Post 1098 says nothing about stone softening. In fact its an explanation about how science cannot even measure Ancient and Indigenous knowledge.

So any claim that its pseudoscience is merely your beleif and not science itself.

Warden_of_the_Storm said:

This whole thread is pseudoscience.

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There you go, only certain views and beliefs are allowed according. Exactly my point. You call Ancient and Indigenous knowledge as well as Christianity pseudoscience. We now know your belief.

Warden_of_the_Storm said:

And no, believe in God is not pseudoscience since it's a religious belief. You cannot be dumb enough to even pretend that your question was sensible to begin with to ask that question.

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OK so is there knowledge about reality that comes from religious belief that we cannot get from scientific inquiries.

Always in His Presence said:

and yet - they welcome him with open arms

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They've discovered that flattery gets you a nuclear submarine.

Job 33:6 said:

Bara in Hebrew, or to create, means to make, or to do. It is an action. And when God creates something, He is taking it and doing something with it. Like if I said, I am going to make a pizza. And I take that pizza in its formless state, and I give it form. That is creation.

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Only God can Bara. Your making pizza is not Bara, a creative act but a transforming act.

If God "is taking it and doing something with it" then He is not creating but transforming, as whatever "it" is, "it" now exists.

Bara refers to supernatural creation ex nihilo (Latin for “out of nothing”) but asah means to make out of pre-existing material.

essentialsaltes said:

It's been two months.

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It's been another month and more.

No indictments, but maybe some questioning coming up.

DOJ prepares subpoenas in sweeping criminal probe of Obama-era Trump-Russia investigation​

Trump has been publicly demanding such a probe for months, including specifying the names of some of the former top law enforcement and intelligence officials he wants to see prosecuted.

Now the Justice Department appears to be doing just that, with the probe being led by Jason Reding Quiñones, a friend of Attorney General Pam Bondiwho is the U.S. attorney for the Southern District of Florida, sources familiar with the probe said.

The first grand jury subpoenas in the probe were being prepared for President Barack Obama’s director of National Intelligence, James Clapper and, reportedly, also for his CIA director, John Brennan. They seek documents pertaining to the long-running Russia investigation that began in 2016, during Obama’s tenure, one source said.

The sources described the investigation as Trump’s most ambitious attempt to date to weaponize his FBI and Justice Department against those he believes were out to get him dating back to after he was first elected to office in November 2016.

[Reality-based individuals] cite numerous investigations, including an exhaustive one by the bipartisan Senate Intelligence Committee. It concluded beginning in 2019 that Russia meddled in the 2016 election to help Trump defeat his Democratic rival Hillary Clinton. But investigators stopped short of saying Trump and his associates actively colluded in that effort with Moscow.

and yet - they welcome him with open arms

one of these things is not like the other.....

Job 33:6 said:

The thing is, God creates things all the time in the Bible. But we never interpret those passages as meaning that physical objects appear out of thin air. Traditionally, the church has only assumed that to be the case in the first verse of the Bible. But in actuality, for centuries, Jews of antiquity and people of the ancient near east, have understood creation to involve pre existing material.

So just as God created Jacob, God could create the heavens and the earth. Not to say that Jacob appeared out of thin air, however. And so it is with Genesis.

You know what else God also created in Genesis? Adam and Eve. And they were made out of dust and a rib bone.

But people assume, for whatever reason, that the first verse of the Bible must be different. But without any textual support. It's simply a philosophical assumption.

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It's different because it is in the beginning. The beginning of all He created including the vessels (heavens and earth and seas) that everything else is in. But I agree that most things are created out of existing material, as described.

And I agree that Gen 1:1 is an introduction, not a separate creation narrative. Since it was a beginninng, my focus on what might have been the first thing created out of nothing was the waters in vs 2, whether they were h2o waters or something more akin to plasma.

Tigger Boy said:

Actually Davetaff has it right. All sleep through the first death. Davetaff should have given biblical support for his statement, which I wil provide.

Our State In Death

The state of death is misunderstood by most people. What I am about to share will be new to you, thus you will naturally reject it because it is different. However, truth is not based on what any faith organization may teach or the number of individuals who believe as you, but rather Gods word. In Genesis 2:7, we learn that man was formed from two elements, dust of the earth, and the breath of life from Jesus our creator, and man became a living soul/ person/being. Death is the the separation of these two elements. The body decays and returns to dust, and the breath of life/spirit returns to our God (see Ecclesiastes 12:7; James 2:26 and Job 27:3) Do souls die? Yes. (see Ezekiel 18:20, and Rev. 16:3) Do people go to heaven or hell at death? No. (see John 5:28,29; Acts 2:29,34; Job 17:13) How much does one comprehend at death? Nothing. (see Ecclesiastes 9:5,6,10; Psalms 115:17) Can the dead communicate wth the living? No. (see Job 14:12,21; Ecclesiastes 9:6)


Jesus called the first death "sleep" (see John 11: 11-14) Therefore based on these few texts we all sleep in the first death, with no knowledge of what is going on. Latter we will be raised either in the first resurrection of the saints or the second resurrection of the lost, and receive our eternal rewards. A proper understanding of death magnifies the love of God.

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Paul disagrees.

“but we are of good courage and prefer rather to be absent from the body and to be at home with the Lord.”
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BCP1928 said:

You should jealous. Maybe you should run for a seat yourself.

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I am out of my mind with jealousy. I probably should run. You know what they say, Washington D.C. is Hollywood for ugly people.

Job 33:6 said:

Here, God creates the Earth, he called the dry land Earth. He did that by taking something that was disorderly, and he gathers the waters and he takes it and gives it form.

The Earth is formless, on day three. He creates it, and it is no longer without form.

That is creation. Creation is not in verse 1:1.

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I know that this thread is about the creation story, but I want to point out what I think is the most important concept in the story; God makes order out of chaos. He did it with the earth, with Noah when he returned to land, with Israel, and with us. God often destroys, but He usually replaces the destruction with order.

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The Los Angeles Conservancy said Friday afternoon that 32 properties it considered historic because of their architectural or cultural significance were claimed by the fires, which have destroyed or damaged more than 9,000 structures.

Some of the historic buildings, including ... [Will] Rogers’ Western-style Palisades home, had formal landmark status on the National Register of Historic Places

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Will Rogers State Historic Park to reopen after being ravaged in Palisades fire​

• The fire destroyed Rogers’ historic 31-room ranch house and roughly 300 trees planted by the cowboy-humorist, though staff saved some artifacts.

Will Rogers State Historic Park, which has been closed since the Palisades fire ripped through it 10 months ago, will reopen to the public on Saturday, providing a sprawling green oasis in the devastated community.
About half of the park’s nine miles of hiking and equestrian hiking trails will open, as will the 99-year-old polo field, lawns and picnic spaces, according to California State Parks.

The Palisades fire incinerated Rogers’ century-old wooden ranch house — a place filled with Navajo rugs; custom, Western-style Monterey couches and chairs; and a vast book collection that included signed first editions by Helen Keller, Theodore Roosevelt, and Harry Houdini. Flames also tore through Rogers’ white-and-green horse stable, which had an elegant central rotunda.

[During the fire] Maintenance and restoration staffers started sprinklers atop the buildings and on hillsides, she said, and workers spent about two and a half hours stuffing State Parks pickup trucks and personal vehicle with historic treasures.

They saved paintings, pottery, sculptures, Native American rugs, and the typewriter that Rogers used to compose his newspaper columns. But a tour favorite — a stuffed roping calf given by a friend, artist Ed Borein, who had grown tired of Rogers lassoing him — burned. So did the furniture, book collection, and a newly restored hand-crank barrel piano.

The Barbarian said:

Humans have been humans for a very long time. It is of considerable interest that from very early times, the evidence shows they had much in common with humans today.

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Yes ,I often hear it said that ,in terms of individual intelligence they may have been our equal(more "equal" in my case no doubt)

In my own lifetime understanding of physics and society has increased so greatly that I wonder or not whether the gap between our grand parents and these ancient groups is much "greater" than the corresponding gap between ourselves and them(our grandparents)

Not that every new advance in understanding doesn't raise as many questions as it seems to confine to the past.

Only yesterday it seems the ever accelerating expansion of the universe has been called into question as the "supernova candles" may well not be as reliable as thought and their brightness may vary depending on their age-young vs old.

So that a collapsing universe may be back on the cards.

Perpetual Student said:

I am not American, so there is something you need to explain to me.
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The Democrats will terminate the filibuster once they can . So it seems to be that the Democrats don't like the filibuster. Right.
Also Trump, on the same Truthsocial:


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Do I understand this correctly that it is Republicans that are playing games and hinder the re-opening of the country by not giving Democrats what they want?
But also:
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So Democrats want to terminate the filibuster, which would allow Republicans to pass legislation and sail to victory, yet the same Republicans block this?

I am confused.

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By now we should realize that the majority of what he says is either twisted truth or a flat out lie. His word salads accomplish just what you have experienced, confusion. Many people have turned off his divisive rhetoric and have made it into pure entertainment ,intrigue or a good study in psychological manipulation.

HIM said:

Definitions? No my friend, context, grammar and syntax.

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Right which you are forcing.

HIM said:

A Sabbath is a day of repose by definition.
It looks like you cited Strongs. That is nice. But in respect to studying the Greek it is so much more involved than a definition.

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I study the Greek. The definition is as I posted. The context does not support the plural.

HIM said:

Be that what it is, There was the weekly Sabbath of the Decalogue and the sabbaths to which were mandated for the festivals and Holy days. The context to which the word sabbath is used shows us which sabbath is being spoken of.

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The context includes all forms including the weekly sabbath. Paul makes the same argument in Gal. 4:10-11.

HIM said:

Passover, the Day of Atonement and what not all had sabbaths that were separate from the Sabbath of the Decalogue. They were instituted because of our sin. The Sabbath as you know was made for man on the Seventh Day of creation as the commandment states and Scripture affirms

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We are no longer under the guardianship of the law so it does not apply to the believer,

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Of decrees is a bad translation.

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δόγμα dógma, dog'-mah; from the base of G1380; a law (civil, ceremonial or ecclesiastical):—decree, ordinance.

No. Is a perfectly good translation.

HIM said:

As is, the translation "of ordinances" as seen in the KJV which I use.

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I don’t use the KJV. It is outdated, has errors, and contains words that mean something different now.

HIM said:

The Greek word translated decrees in the translation you are using is in the Dative case not the Genitive. In English, this relation is expressed by the words like. by or to not of. The Genitive case is that of possession. If the case was in the Genitive, then we would use the word "of "or something similar..

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That’s what happens when you use an outdated translation. Notice the “of”.

“having canceled the certificate of debt consisting of decrees against us, which was hostile to us; and He has taken it out of the way, having nailed it to the cross.”
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HIM said:

The Body of sin has been separated from us, and we have been forgiven all trespasses.

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Yep. It’s called justification which the law could never do nor can we earn by doing the works of the law.

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Therefore the handwriting to the decrees or as your translation states, certificate of indebt to the decrees has been blotted out.

These are they which dealt with our sin. The judgements, ceremonies in the Temple and holy days, like Passover and the Day of atonement and what not. These are they which have been blotted out. They are not needed anymore because we have been forgiven and the Temple and it's services have been eliminated.

These are they which were of the handwriting to the decrees. Mind you not the decrees themselves, but those which were by or to the decrees. Those which were because of our sin, not those which tell us what our sin is. For by the Law is the knowledge of sin. And if the Law is used righteously, it is for the sinner as God says in Romans and Timothy

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The law never dealt with anyone’s sins. It convicted the sin prior to faith arriving. Now we are convicted by the Spirit.

“But I tell you the truth: it is to your advantage that I am leaving; for if I do not leave, the Helper will not come to you; but if I go, I will send Him to you. And He, when He comes, will convict the world regarding sin, and righteousness, and judgment: regarding sin, because they do not believe in Me; and regarding righteousness, because I am going to the Father and you no longer are going to see Me; and regarding judgment, because the ruler of this world has been judged.”
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HIM said:

The context of verse 14 is connected to verse 16 by the word "and' in verse 15, and the word "therefore" in verse 16.
As you know these words connect what is about to be said to what was previously stated. So with that understood, these meat and drink, holydays, new moon and sabbath days are they which were of the handwritings to the ordinances, The Book of the Law. Not the Ten Commandment and the Laws and statutes that showed us our sin.



Col 2:13 And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;
Col 2:14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;
Col 2:15 [And] having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it.
Col 2:16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath [days]:
Col 2:17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body [is] of Christ.

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I’m going to use a much better translation,

“And when you were dead in your wrongdoings and the uncircumcision of your flesh, He made you alive together with Him,

[we were dead in our trespasses because of the human condition for which the law was given but not any more. Now we are alive in Him. No more law.]

having canceled the certificate of debt consisting of decrees against us, which was hostile to us; and He has taken it out of the way, having nailed it to the cross.

[The certificate of debt consisting of decrees is the law which was hostile to us. So not even the law benefits the believer. The law was removed and nailed to the cross. It does not get any clearer than this.]

When He had disarmed the rulers and authorities, He made a public display of them, having triumphed over them through Him.

[The rulers and authorities are the Pharisees and Sadducees that Jesus challenged about their knowledge and application of the law.]


Therefore, no one is to act as your judge in regard to food and drink, or in respect to a festival or a new moon, or a Sabbath day—”

[since Jesus nailed the law to the cross then all of the law no longer applies to the believer so all special days like the sabbath, the food laws, etc. are no longer required of the Christian. This was to counter the broader argument during the early days of the church of the Jews that argued that the Christian was to follow the law which the apostles had already ruled that it was not necessary (Acts. 15)

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Colossians 2:13-16 And when you were dead in your wrongdoings and the uncircumcision of your flesh, He made you alive together with Him, having forgiven us all our wrongdoings, having canceled the certificate of debt co | New American Standard Bible - NASB (NASB2020) | Download The Bible App Now annotations mine

Chesterton said:

It says they worked 119 days in 2023. Yes they do other stuff, but a lot of that is handled by clerks and assistants. The only real hard part is the work put in to getting your face in front of a TV camera as often as possible. Theoretically, one could be illiterate and be a congressman. Of course it would be nice to be able to read a restaurant menu while you're in a place with which we have important relations, that you've taken a taxpayer-paid-for junket to, like Tahiti.

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You should jealous. Maybe you should run for a seat yourself.

rjs330 said:

Why on earth would we use the word food dessert? Oh I know to make sound like prople are living in the Sahara and its much more dramatic effect to do so.

People live more than a mile from a Supermarket? A whole mile? Maybe its 3 miles? Good grief what do we expect? That there be a Supermarket on every block?

Whats the point. Most human beings dont live within a mile of a Supermarket. I live about 3 1/2 miles from one. I know plenty of people that live further than that.

Yeah, if you live out in the country its expected you wont be close to one. I lived out in the country about 10 miles from one for years. I would just have to make a special trip or stop on my way home after work.

People need to stop.making excuses. There will never be a grocery store within a mile or 3 from every person living there. They would never stay in business. Who on earth in their right mind would think thats a possibility?

Secondly these same people will complain about there not being a grocery store within a mile but will happily jump on a bus and ride halfway across town go to a clothing or electronics store.

Life isnt easy for most of us. Most of us have to fet off our butts and drive or take public transportation to go anywhere worthwhile. Its not all just out our front door down the block. Man we are an entitled society.

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Easy bro - I didn't make up the term. I just point to the info that is out there.

Besides - "dessert" is like apple pie. Desert is the Sahara like thing you are talking about.

Regardless of how you feel about it, it is a thing.

stevevw said:

Exactly how have we gone into pseudoscience lol.

How do we know that its actually pseudoscience. Is belief in God pseudoscience. Explain to me how its pseudoscience.

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Post #1098. The claims you've made about the Incas having 'stone softening technology', same as the Ancient Egyptians according to you. Your claims that we should accept any and every claim made by indigenous people without thought or actual study is definitively an example of pseudoscience.

This whole thread is pseudoscience.

And no, believe in God is not pseudoscience since it's a religious belief. You cannot be dumb enough to even pretend that your question was sensible to begin with to ask that question.

stevevw said:

No. science itself as an enterprise is designed to only measure the material world that is quantified in physical and naturalistic processes. This has nothing to do with atheism. Christians can be scientists.

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So they can, and science is the same for both Christian and non-Christian scientists.

stevevw said:

The difference is they know its limitations when it comes to other aspects of reality that may not fall into the scientific paradigm.
In fact even within science there are conflicts about which paradigm is correct.

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No, there is not.

stevevw said:

Look at say behaviour sciences where it use to be that all behaviour was conditions on the physical environment and conditioning. Thenm we discovered the Mind and psychology. Another aspect of reality different to the physical processes and not necessarily the result there of. In fact said to be the actual driver of the physical as well.

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That is a grotesque misrepresentation of the behavioral sciences.

stevevw said:

Even the so called epiphenomena is a sort of magic idea that the physical can pop out some unquantifiable aspect of reality like a genie in a bottle. That actually alters reality itself as a force. Without any evidence or explanation. Thats sound just as much a belief as in God.

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And this is a grotesque misrepresentation of the scientific understanding of epiphenomena. Have you ever in your life made a post here without at least one bare-faced lie in it? If so I am not aware of it.

essentialsaltes said:

National Guard troops briefly deployed to Portland despite judge’s order, federal trial reveals​

Jean Lin, special counsel for the Justice Department, confirmed the deployment to the U.S. District Court Judge Karin Immergut on Wednesday but provided few specifics — minutes before the trial began.

“We’ll talk later about whether that’s contempt,” the judge responded to Lin Wednesday.

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Judge rules Trump administration failed to meet legal requirements for deploying troops to Portland​

The ruling from U.S. District Court Judge Karin Immergut, a Trump appointee, followed a three-day trial last week in which both sides argued over whether protests at the city’s U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement building met the conditions for using the military domestically under federal law.

Judge says the protests have had 'minimal' effect on the federales, while the WH spox continues to assert continuous rioting and lawlessness.

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