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Larniavc · 2025-11-14T12:18:13-0600

jonojim1337 said:
I don’t know what you mean, but having a bad posture and misaligned joints will make you feel tired, stagnate blood flow etc which will lead to other problems along the line. So I’m sure people feel better after having their joints cracked. I’m just surprised people don't figure out how to do it themselves and this earns the chiropractics a living.

Chiropractic is based on the idea that mystical energy called Vital Intelligence is guided by the manipulation of the spine as the practitioner directs this energy with twists and cracking motions.

The actual supernatural entity chiropractic appeals to is never disclosed.

Say it aint so · 2025-11-14T12:14:36-0600

essentialsaltes said:
Well you said for yourself Blanche got what he wanted. It's just a shame that what he went looking for wasn't the truth.

Thus why Congress should adopt many new "The Trump rules", where the rule in this case stipulates "DOJ can not be filled with a presidents personal lawyers."

CoreyD · 2025-11-14T12:14:36-0600

Chaplain Jim said:
"The Holy Spirit shall lead you into all truth" - God's Holy Word

How does the holy spirit lead a lost soul, and what scripture(s) can you share to show this to be the case? Thanks.

jonojim1337 · 2025-11-14T12:12:51-0600

Richard T said:
I once Asked a D.O. who did manipulations what the difference was between him and a chiropractor. He told me he knew how to do the same things in a more gentler way. I like chiropractors as long as they are not too adamant in thinking they can heal most anything.

Having a good posture, which includes the balance of all joints, and breathing, is very important to health, but they don’t teach you how to get it.

CoreyD · 2025-11-14T12:12:47-0600

concretecamper said:
Post #19 puts forth a subjective solution. Truth cannot be subjective.

Please, can you please point out what subjective solution is in post #19, and where it says truth is subjective? Thanks.

rjs330 · 2025-11-14T12:12:19-0600

Say it aint so said:
The US is appraised by one of it's fellow Five Eye nations that a Trump official is making known his connections with Russians, Russia's willingness to help the campaign, and the officials willingness to be receptive to that help. Then he lies to the FBI about. So either the FBI ignores it all, or it investigates the matter. To say that is not a premise of investigation is just false. The IG report of the investigation came to the same conclusion.

According to what we know now they had nothing on Trump. However Obama wanted to pursue it anyway. He and Clinton were the ones who really tried to interfere with the election. Clinton with her fake dossier with Russian ties and Obama's push to investigate Trump to.make it look like he was interfering with Russia.

Say it aint so · 2025-11-14T12:11:23-0600

essentialsaltes said:
Indeed it is.

AI Overview

The strong early sales of approximately 371,000 metric tons booked to Mexico as of September 2025 refer to corn. Mexico is the world's largest corn importer and a key market for U.S. corn exports.

Kind of odd that was omitted.

CoreyD · 2025-11-14T12:11:09-0600

Delvianna said:
I think you're missing the point. If someone has God, then God will lead/guide them. Since Jesus is the Shepard and we form our covenant with him, then we trust in his guidance. Can God use people and scripture to back up the truth? Yes, but without God's guidance, we can fall way off the road. Jesus is the "way, the truth and the light", all you technically need is God and he will guide/direct. When you start adding other things as a "requirement", you're essentially saying God can't guide correctly to truth without other stuff. If he really needs to, he'll show up himself. Loads of testimonies of God showing up in dreams and such, for people in other religions or even atheists. All you NEED is God, but scripture does help. As I said, it's an aid, but it shouldn't ever replace your walk/relationship with him on a personal basis.

Does someone that has God, not know the truth? Can someone have God, and not know the truth?
If one has the truth they do not need to find it do they?
What about the one who is looking for the truth... how the truth be known, to them?

timothyu · 2025-11-14T12:11:08-0600

JustaPewFiller said:
I think every denomination and probably every Christian has interpretations that they stand firmly by and believe to be the *true* interpretations.

Too busy with the trees to see the forest. The entire Bible revolves around God's Will ahead of either man's or elohims but nobody is listening, too busy establishing their own territory or looking for a team to support. Add the doctrinal shackles placed on people and free thought goes out the window.

jonojim1337 · 2025-11-14T12:10:50-0600

Larniavc said:
Chiropractic relies on vitalism which is basically a magical energy.

I don’t know what you mean, but having a bad posture and misaligned joints will make you feel tired, stagnate blood flow etc which will lead to other problems along the line. So I’m sure people feel better after having their joints cracked. I’m just surprised people don't figure out how to do it themselves and this earns the chiropractics a living.

bbbbbbb · 2025-11-14T12:10:14-0600

noted that anything is only worth what a buyer is willing to pay.

Too many investors . . .

Say it aint so · 2025-11-14T12:09:53-0600

Servus said:
And? Russiagate was supposed to result in the downfall of the Trump administration according to all the commentary from the left. Compared to what they were predicting and hoping for, the whole thing ended up as a nothingburger joke. It gave the right a hardy laugh at its anticlimactic end. That will likely be the same result with Epsteingate.

One would think being convicted of felons would be the downfall of the Trump admin. The willingness to investigate by congress, or indict by a DOJ does not dismiss the reality that Russia was in fact trying to help Trump win, and Trump et al were willing participants of that help, and their campaign manager was in fact working with Russians. That aint a nothing burger.

bbbbbbb · 2025-11-14T12:09:16-0600

Enjoyable hobbies make life fun.

bbbbbbb · 2025-11-14T12:08:46-0600

motivated seller

rjs330 · 2025-11-14T12:08:15-0600

Say it aint so said:
Russiagate was not a joke. The Trump admin was working directly and indirectly with Russians for the benefit of their campaign.

That was NEVER proven that he cooperated or colluded with Russia to interfere with the election. That was a hoax. The only campaign that actually did it was Clinton.

CoreyD · 2025-11-14T12:08:11-0600

ARBITER01 said:
Truth is directly from GOD by revelation of The Holy Spirit.

After Jesus was filled with The Holy Spirit, He was completely dependent upon Him.

Are you saying that if I am an atheist, or I worship a number of gods, and I am looking for the truth, God will give me a revelation through holy spirit, and I will know the truth?

Larniavc · 2025-11-14T12:08:01-0600

wing2000 said:
....they finally figured that out?

Scott Bessent, the Treasury secretary, said on Fox News Wednesday that the administration would be making “substantial” announcements about tariff exemptions over the next few days, saying that they would target “things we don’t grow here.”

He named coffee, bananas and other fruits. “So that will bring the prices down very quickly,” he said.

...it seems the administration is finally admitting that tariffs increase prices.

The Trump administration is preparing broad exemptions to certain tariffs in an effort to ease elevated food prices that have provoked anxiety for American consumers, according to three people briefed on the actions.

The change would apply to certain reciprocal tariffs the president announced in April, including on products coming from countries that have not struck trade deals with the administration, the people said, discussing a pending announcement on the condition of anonymity.

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/11/13/us/politics/trump-tariffs-food-prices.html

The American administration really is a joke.

Delvianna · 2025-11-14T12:08:01-0600

stevevw said:
I have read a fair bit of the early church Fathers like Clement and Ignatius and a bit of Polycarp. Clement is interesting as he was around with the disciples and writes at a time when most of the disciples were gone. Writing to the same churches as Paul 20 or so years later.

One thing that stood out was unity as opposed to division. Even to the point that division itself no matter what caused it was a red flag and the beginnings of sin. That where there was division Christ was not among the people. So it was emphasised that unity was vital.

Paul mentions gossip and getting into squabbles about geneologies ect. Getting into politics over disputes of practice or application. Or interpretations of scriptures. So though it was not necessarily sin it was something that created a culture of division that could further undermine the church.

I can never understand how we ended up with so many denominations. I know the church began as one universal church. At least in the first century and to about mid 2nd century. Ignatius mentions around 110AD that where there is Christ there is the Catholic (universal) church.

But today its almost like some denominations have evolved to become almost different religions. I think modern secular norms have influenced church culture and the culture wars of identity and divided groups has come into the church. Generally there is a culture of division and this is even getting quite hostile between opposing groups.

I think fundementally there is one truth that unites everyone and that is the unity in the body of Christ. Which is based on His sacrifice for us on the cross and His resurrection and the Last Super before he departed. Leaving the church an example to follow through the disciples.

I think if we are true to this simple teaching then we will be of one mind and spirit. For me just as an individual must make themselves right with God and become Christlike. So to the community of Christians guided by the same spirit of the individual but enacted as one community which is the body of Christ.

In other words we first as individuals need to make ourselves right with God and be willing to sacrifice ourselves at the alter as Christ did on the cross. This is the pre requisit because anything less is inviting disunity. You can only be of the one mind is all minds are of Christ.

Amen! Very true!

jonojim1337 · 2025-11-14T12:06:35-0600

Maria Billingsley said:
Depends on how one defines the characteristics and teachings of a modern day Pharisee. I would define them as religious, powerful, political, influential, legalist, tradition driven, self righteous and most of all hypocritical. Fortunately, none of these characteristics describe a Christian. That said, why would one come even close to trying your patience and faith?
Perhaps one is being tested. Stay, the course and put on the full armor of God.

Be blessed.

I didn’t say modern day, I said archetypical. It’s someone who, for instance, would let the poor and lame beg at their doorstep and walk by them each day.

stevevw · 2025-11-14T12:05:35-0600

I have read a fair bit of the early church Fathers like Clement and Ignatius and a bit of Polycarp. Clement is interesting as he was around with the disciples and writes at a time when most of the disciples were gone. Writing to the same churches as Paul 20 or so years later.

One thing that stood out was unity as opposed to division. Even to the point that division itself no matter what caused it was a red flag and the beginnings of sin. That where there was division Christ was not among the people. So it was emphasised that unity was vital.

Paul mentions gossip and getting into squabbles about geneologies ect. Getting into politics over disputes of practice or application. Or interpretations of scriptures. So though it was not necessarily sin it was something that created a culture of division that could further undermine the church.

I can never understand how we ended up with so many denominations. I know the church began as one universal church. At least in the first century and to about mid 2nd century. Ignatius mentions around 110AD that where there is Christ there is the Catholic (universal) church.

But today its almost like some denominations have evolved to become almost different religions. I think modern secular norms have influenced church culture and the culture wars of identity and divided groups has come into the church. Generally there is a culture of division and this is even getting quite hostile between opposing groups.

I think fundementally there is one truth that unites everyone and that is the unity in the body of Christ. Which is based on His sacrifice for us on the cross and His resurrection and the Last Super before he departed. Leaving the church an example to follow through the disciples.

I think if we are true to this simple teaching then we will be of one mind and spirit. For me just as an individual must make themselves right with God and become Christlike. So to the community of Christians guided by the same spirit of the individual but enacted as one community which is the body of Christ.

In other words we first as individuals need to make ourselves right with God and be willing to sacrifice ourselves at the alter as Christ did on the cross. This is the pre requisit because anything less is inviting disunity. You can only be of the one mind if all minds are of Christ.

CoreyD · 2025-11-14T12:05:20-0600

Hawkins said:
Humans lack the ability to access truth directly. More often they acquire truth indirectly.

In terms of truth, there are roughly two camps of humans, one with extrememly small amount while the other the mass majority.
When you trust your own five senses, you joined the first camp of humans deemed as the eyewitnesses. When you are unable (as limited by human inability) to contact truth directly. You joined the second camp of humans deemed as the believers.

Even science works so. Do you know that black holes exist? You do. Do you have the evidence? You don't. Information (truth) functions as a piece of human testimony from eyewitnesses which we call them the scientists. There could less than 100 such scientists dedicated and specialized in researching black holes, versus the 8 billion humans on earth. That is to say, the 8 billioin humans need to put faith in the 100 scientists to indirectly get to such a piece of truth. That's how reality works.

Now how do we know the the truth of black hole with its characteristics are truly from scientists other than swallowing with faith? Subconsciously we rely on evaluating the legitimacy of what this piece of testimony is conveyed. From the authorities behind the testimony who authenticate the information, and from the consistency of how information are conveyed (if I said the in center of a black hole, there's a large stone, you shall not believe because this is inconsistent with information (a testimony) flowing). We get to the truth of black holes from journals we deemed reliable, TV channels we deemed reliable, education entities we deemed reliable. Subsequently these entities we deemed reliable are authenticated by the central government. One of the government's duty is to remove untrustworthy media conveying falsehoods. You may need to overthrow it if you don't think that it enforces the conveying of truth.

As for the Bible, the intangible media conveying its information are the physicla churches (you might choose to read the Bible by yourself though, yet in terms of a media in a larger scale of conveying information the churches are the role). The situation is governed by an intangible Church which utimately refers to the Temple built by Jesus in three days. It is somehow linked to God Himself (Jesus is the head of legitimate churches), in terms of authority and authentication.

Other than this "business as usual" flow of conveying truth, God the Holy Spirit is also poured upon Christians to guide them through. However, this is tied to basically two factors, which are 1) where your faith is, and 2) your distance from the sin-incompatible God.
As Jesus put, you can move mountains if you have enough faith, while He also put that His direct disciples' faith is smaller than the smallest seeds in the world. So you still need the authenticated Church to maintain a standard (though intangible as well).

Distance to the sin-incompatible God matters as well. How close you are to God? In 60s there could be less than 1% Christians can actually get in touch with pornography, but today the opposite may be true that less than 1% Christian haven't get in touch with it. To a certain extent, this measures distance from God of today's humans. Again, I don't think that you can rely on this factor alone without the intangible standard from the intangible Church. No worries yet, the final statement is that if you are His sheep you will hear His voice. Those endure to the end by doing the will of the Father shall be saved at the end. Not a single sheep will be left behind! That's the promise.

Thanks.
I agree that Jesus is the head of legitimate church, in terms of authority and authentication.

I have a few questions.
How does one get to become a sheep... Can you give me the process step by step?
How does one get close to God... what is the first, second, and third step.

For example, say that I am a non Christian, but I am searching...

Strong in Him · 2025-11-14T12:04:53-0600

Apple Sky said:
Wrong, I was just wondering why the book of Enoch isn't in the Bible also the book of Jashar which is also mentioned at Joshua 10:13.

No idea.
But those are OT books. You'd need to ask the Jews why they didn't include them in their Scriptures - the Scriptures that Jesus used.

Apple Sky · 2025-11-14T12:03:01-0600

Phil G said:
Stop trying to gaslight me.

Sorry - I didn't mean to gaslight you.

timothyu · 2025-11-14T12:00:52-0600

Benaiah468 said:
This statement touches the heart of many biblical stories, which portray both the historical House of Israel and the House of Judah as peoples who struggled to put their own interests above G-d's will. This is a theme that runs through their entire history. In Jeremiah 2 and Hosea 11, we find exciting insights into G-d's heart for His people.

Yet few learn from it.

Delvianna · 2025-11-14T11:57:09-0600

I need like a flow chart... If this, then that because that's how I feel when it comes to the idea of debate. In a perfect conversation and what I think is ideal, both parties should be open to being wrong. That means in both understanding and interpretation. No putting your allegiance or what you've been taught for 500 years above the idea that you could be wrong. Now, based off of that, several things happen for me..

1) If the person continually shows arrogance/superiority/patronizing tone/personal attacks/snappy attitude, in several conversations -----> stop the conversation + block them
2) If the person isn't interested/open to the possibility of being wrong and after a long conversation it seems this person is rooted in their interpretation ----> Stop the conversation

I do admit to losing my temper in some discussion/debates I've had but it's 100% because of number 1. I've also had some great discussions/debates that have ended in agreeing to disagree (number 2) and I've walked away going "that was fun!" but it's RARE.

I know beliefs are a touchy subject but we should all be looking to figure out what is true as iron is supposed to sharpen iron but if you're banging people over their head with your sword, that's doing nothing but harm. If you get to a point where you just don't see the other persons argument, fair, but some people get so dang defensive, that they start attacking the person instead of the argument. They start making insinuations against their motives, spiritual state, heart posture or even go so far as insinuate low IQ, just because you don't agree and that's where I draw a line. This goes back to the umbrella of "quarreling" which has no fruit and only sows division because now, I'm going to block that person and make sure I don't run across them again.

So I think it's good to debate, to sharpen iron but I understand there are some other issues at play here but my main point is we should be still having these debates in the correct way, and not try and hinder them or misquote scripture to stop them in the first place.

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