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Independents....

I just figured when you commented about how you rarely encounter anyone who argues against both parties with equal vigor, you were invoking the notion of centrism.
I don't recall making that comment. Are you mistaking the OP for me or vice versa?

Although, now that I try to recall some such, even though I in fact rarely, if ever, have met someone who did such, I would not rule out general misanthropy over centrism.

There are more then two parties, even here. I think the "both sides" argument isn't restricted to party politics. I'm a "shades of gray" person but I don't think that qualifies as centrist.
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Two National Guard soldiers shot in Washington DC

Got what they were looking for? Are you serious?
Yeah. I’ve been saying for months this administration is itching for a conflict with the American people. Now they got one. Really sad it had to even get to this point.

Ever think about all the lives that have been saved because the national guard was there?
I can think of two that weren’t saved.
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Two National Guard soldiers shot in Washington DC

Yeah blame Trump. Not the person who shot them.
The gunman is guilty for shooting them. No dispute there.

I’m talking about their pointless deployment that is clearly not going too well if guardsmen are dying now.

Who did you blame when the 13 soldiers died leaving Afghanistan in 2021?
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The Mamdani Model: More Socialist Mayors to ComeBeware! The DSA will attempt to repeat Mamdani’s success in other Democrat strongholds.

I’m in total agreement here because if we can ban one religion we can ban any of them and I feel personally more threatened by Christianity than I do Islam and since your religion is already declining well enough on its own, it wouldn’t take too much effort to make American Christianity a thing of the past. Surprising to see a Christian advocate for this but we atheists will take all the allies we can get.
Yeah tell that to the natives. Lol

I don't see this as funny. I'm dead serious, I will leave this place.
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Two National Guard soldiers shot in Washington DC

Looks like this administration finally got what they’ve been looking for. These two Virginia servicemen would still be alive were they not needlessly deployed for Trump’s DC crime fighting theatre.
Got what they were looking for? Are you serious? Ever think about all the lives that have been saved because the national guard was there?
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Imitatio Christi - is the following Biblical?

Now that is an interesting point - plainly stated and from scripture - thank you - a refreshing change to the discussion.

I referred to the same Scripture but did not supply a chapter and verse number - for this reason I have in the past suggested that when you are in doubt on Patristics or are confused by something I’ve said, you reach out to one of my colleagues.
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Imitatio Christi - is the following Biblical?

Paul openly received gifts - took wages from churches and raised money by making tents and marketing them

No one is disputing that. What we are disputing is that he did this for his own personal enjoyment of the funds, beyond the most basic necessities of life.

It should be noted even monks sustain themselves by selling items they make in order to raise money for the monastery. Indeed most monastic rules require the monks live by the work of their hands, in imitation of St. Paul.

There is a huge difference between Christian ascetics and the extreme austerities practiced by, for example, Hindu saddhus, or the self-deprivation of Diogenes and other cynics.
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The Mamdani Model: More Socialist Mayors to ComeBeware! The DSA will attempt to repeat Mamdani’s success in other Democrat strongholds.

** It is projected that by 2100, Islam will become the largest religion in the United States**

I am now officially an advocate for Constitutional reform. Because that's what it takes to banish one single religion (Islam) from this great land. I want it to be illegal.
I’m in total agreement here because if we can ban one religion we can ban any of them and I feel personally more threatened by Christianity than I do Islam and since your religion is already declining well enough on its own, it wouldn’t take too much effort to make American Christianity a thing of the past. Surprising to see a Christian advocate for this but we atheists will take all the allies we can get.
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Two National Guard soldiers shot in Washington DC

Looks like this administration finally got what they’ve been looking for. These two Virginia servicemen would still be alive were they not needlessly deployed for Trump’s DC crime fighting theatre.
Yeah blame Trump. Not the person who shot them.
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Imitatio Christi - is the following Biblical?

So when he said he knew what it was like to abound - he was not speaking of himself?

Clearly, based on the entirety of the NT, if he was speaking of himself it would have been before His conversion on the Road to Damascus, but rather, the implication seems to be an abundance of resources to sustain the ministry - not personal resources, certainly not disposable income. The idea of St. Paul spending money on himself beyond the bare necessities is unfounded.

imho, He was speaking of himself but based on his testimony in various parts of the Holy Scriptures, this is most likely pre-conversion, pre-Damascus Road as a Pharisee among Pharisees. There's no scriptural evidence that he lived anything but in humility, if not ascetically, post conversion.

Indeed, and also there is the important issue that ministry requires resources. A well funded church, monastery or missionary can accomplish much more than one which is poorly funded, without regards to the compensation or lack thereof of its members. For example, Franciscans and other friars take vows of poverty, but these vows do not constrain them from use of resources for ministry; likewise, while our Orthodox monks do take a vow of poverty, they do not live luxuriously, but rather spend the funds of the monastery to glorify God.
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Another shooting - Two DC Nat. Guard from W VA Killed


Two National Guard members are dead after being shot in downtown Washington near the White House, according to West Virginia Gov. Patrick Morrisey.​
"It is with great sorrow that we can confirm both members of the West Virginia National Guard who were shot earlier today in Washington, DC have passed away from their injuries. These brave West Virginians lost their lives in the service of their country. We are in ongoing contact with federal officials as the investigation continues," Morrisey said.​
"Our entire state grieves with their families, their loved ones, and the Guard community. West Virginia will never forget their service or their sacrifice, and we will demand full accountability for this horrific act," Morrisey said.​

Not much is known yet. Thoughts and prayers, for whatever that is worth.
Seconded. May they be in heaven a half hour before the devil knows they are dead.
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There’s a Giant Flaw in Human History

Acoustic tests have shown that the Great Pyramid's chambers, particularly the King's Chamber, are naturally resonant spaces that can concentrate sound energy. Tests show the King's Chamber has a natural resonance around 121Hz, which can amplify specific frequencies produced by voices, chanting, or instruments to create a powerful acoustic field. This resonance is believed to have been intentionally designed to amplify sound.

The Intentional Use of Sound Design in the Egyptian Temples and the Great Pyramid
The Intentional Use of Sound Design in the Egyptian Temples and the Great Pyramid

Investigating the Cavity Resonance Acoustic Properties of the Great Pyramid for Free Energy Generation A Study of the King's Chamber and Its Potential Applications
By examining the frequencies within the inner rooms, mapping sound travel, and studying the piezoelectric properties of granite, the research seeks to determine if the pyramid's design could generate sufficient free energy to replace conventional sources.
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/381806657_Investigating_the_Cavity_Resonance_Acoustic_Properties_of_the_Great_Pyramid_for_Free_Energy_Generation_A_Study_of_the_King's_Chamber_and_Its_Potential_Applications

Cymatics Research - Egyptology
Egyptology - Cymascope

The Acoustics of the Great Pyramid: A Deeper Breakdown
The Acoustics of the Great Pyramid: A Deeper Breakdown
So what, cavity resonance applies to caves as well which have been subjected to acoustic analysis and are used to hold musical, operatic and choir performances.

CaveCountryDocumented Acoustic AnalysisPerformance Use
Postojna CaveSloveniaFull acoustic measurement & RT dataConcerts, choirs
Cueva de NerjaSpainImpulse-response & chamber modellingFestival concerts
Jenolan CavesAustraliaReverberation & clarity studiesVocal concerts
Grotte di CastellanaItalyRT60 & geometry analysisOpera, theatre
Luray CavernsUSALithophone resonance studiesStalacpipe Organ
Waitomo CaveNew ZealandReverberation documentationChoir & music events

By your logic these caves with their acoustic properties must be have been artificially produced and are not a natural occurrence.
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Two National Guardsmen Shot and Killed in DC



What we know now

• Two members of the West Virginia National Guardsmen were shot dead in Washington, DC, today, according to the state’s governor.

• They engaged in gunfire with the suspected shooter prior to being shot, according to two law enforcement sources. The sources said the suspect was detained and transported away from the scene on a stretcher.

• Prior to news the Guardsmen had died, President Donald Trump said on social media that shooter was “severely wounded” and will “pay a very steep price.”

Imitatio Christi - is the following Biblical?

imho, He was speaking of himself but based on his testimony in various parts of the Holy Scriptures, this is most likely pre-conversion, pre-Damascus Road as a Pharisee among Pharisees. There's no scriptural evidence that he lived anything but in humility, if not ascetically, post conversion.
Is there any scriptural evidence supporting the comments came from a pre-conversion time? If so - it is completely out of place with the context.

Phil 4:10 “Even when I was in Thessalonica, you sent me aid more than once when I was in need… I am amply supplied, now that I have received from Epaphroditus the gifts you sent.


2 Cor 11: I robbed other churches, taking wages from them to minister to you. 9 And when I was present with you, and in need, I was a burden to no one, for what I lacked the brethren who came from Macedonia supplied. And in everything I kept myself from being burdensome to you, and so I will keep myself.

Acts 28:10 10 They also honored us in many ways; and when we departed, they provided such things as were necessary.

Paul openly received gifts - took wages from churches and raised money by making tents and marketing them

Acts 18:After these things Paul departed from Athens and went to Corinth. 2 And he found a certain Jew named Aquila, born in Pontus, who had recently come from Italy with his wife Priscilla (because Claudius had commanded all the Jews to depart from Rome); and he came to them. 3 So, because he was of the same trade, he stayed with them and worked; for by occupation they were tentmakers. 4 And he reasoned in the synagogue every Sabbath, and persuaded both Jews and Greeks.
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