There are a lot of variables. Far more than previous exploration initiatives, many more failures will be required to get it right.

Colo Millz said:

Take it up with the Reformed Calvinist theologian Karl Barth - who of course did not preach universalism. We are, however, again, according to him, permitted to hope, genuinely hope, that in the end all of God's creation will be brought back to him.

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We can hope all we want, but it can only be discussed in Controversial Christian Theology.

FredVB said:

Where were you seeing something said indicating I have some problem I speak of that I am or would be upset? I spoke of the word election in the Bible where it is used. Believers are elected to be conformed to the image of Christ. That is the right application for the word. God chose people of Israel, but that choice was not the salvation of all of them. That choice has the revelation from God come through prophets among them with the revelation from God preserved and passed on so fully, and made available to the world, with the prophesied Christ testified in it who we really need. God does choose among us for those God does save, God is not willing that any would perish but they should come to repentance as in 2 Peter 3:9 with their faith in response to God, it is God's grace that is the basis.

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I am speaking of John 6 where Christ speaks of God choosing those who will be saved. Whether or not the word “elect” is used, Christ is clear that God chooses who will be saved and that He, Christ, will only save those whom God has chosen. And that is the definition of the word elect.

That's one way of viewing things, but not the only way.

keras said:

This is pathetic.
Methinks you moan and whinge too much.

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What, it' pathetic that someone "commanded to preach God's message' writes stuff that isn't even Scriptural?
Agreed.

Methinks you can't cope when people challenge you.

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Aaron112 said:

Some have tried to show that blindness is a result of man's choice; but failed.
The whole of Scripture, and YHVH'S Plan for Salvation,
repeatedly and throughout all history shows that men are blind by default, as you put it.
What is the part in the religion that tries to show otherwise ? Why try ? It is part of a religious system that for some reason 'needs' men to only be blind by choice/disobedience, but that contradicts too much Scripture. All Scripture is true - Scripture does not contradict itself; or rather, God's Plan and God's Word is Perfect Forever , and His Plan as well, and there is no contradiction in nor from God,
so if anything or anyone contradicts God, it or them is not truthful nor from God.
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10 We grope for the wall like the blind, and we grope as if we had no eyes: we stumble at noon day as in the night; we are in desolate places as dead men.

Acts 17:27​

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... [grope for; reach out to; feel their way towards] him and find him, though he ... “He did all this so that people might seek God in the hope that by groping ...

Deuteronomy 28:29​

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so that at noon you will grope as a blind person gropes in the dark. ... And you shall be groping at noon just as the blind person gropes in the dark ...

Isaiah 59:10​

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We grope like the blind along a wall, groping like those who have no eyes; we stumble at noon as in the twilight, among the vigorous as though we were dead.

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Both are true. Adam’s rebellion against God is what led to the fall, which in turn resulted in the default of blindness to all men. We all live in rebellion and blindness. We don’t become blind, though, we are born blind.

Guojing said:

Did you even read Romans 9:4 and Hebrews 8:8 before you concluded that the New Covenant is for all?

If you can still reach that conclusion, that means you disagree with what the 2 verses are literally saying.

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Or that I understand what’s being said in light of such verses as Eph 3:6 and Gal 3:8, and Rom 9:6-9 for that matter. What Israel received was obviously transferred to all, as the promises were originally intended for all, gentiles being joint heirs.

Cardinal Mauro Gambetti, archpriest of St. Peter’s Basilica and vicar general of the pope for Vatican City, presided Oct. 13 over a penitential rite of reparation at the main altar of the church following a serious act of desecration that had taken place on Oct. 10.

After a penitential procession that began at 12:45 p.m. local time, Gambetti sprinkled the altar with holy water and incensed it to purify it.

The rite, attended by members of the chapter of the Vatican basilica, emphasized asking God for “forgiveness” for the desecration, Father Enzo Fortunato, director of communications for St. Peter’s Basilica, told ACI Prensa, CNA’s Spanish-language news partner.

On Friday, Oct. 10, a man whose identity has not been revealed was arrested by security guards after he climbed onto the Altar of the Confession, located under Bernini’s baldachin, and urinated on it while tourists looked on in astonishment.

Continued below.

Mercredi 15 Octobre

28e TO



Rm 2, 1-11

« Quand tu juges les autres, tu te condamnes toi-même. »

Nous connaissons seulement le 1% d’une personne. Et que ses manquements ne sont pas sa réalité.



Apprenons à remettre au Seigneur les maux et les malaises que nous voyons chez une personne. Cela nous en détachera et nous évitera de faire pire… de la calomnie à la médisance.



Demeurons libres de tout et remettons tout à Dieu.



Lc 11, 42-46

Jésus dit : « Vous passez à côté de l’amour de Dieu. »

Oui, en effet, Jésus le dit.



L’Amour de Dieu est ce qu’il y a de plus simple. Trouvons la joie et la paix dans notre cœur et revenons-y constamment.



C’est comme cela que nous devenons amis avec Dieu, baignés dans son Amour et que nous devenons de jour en jour plus libres. Cette liberté est la joie qui nous élance à annoncer aux personnes que Dieu les Aime et de recevoir son Amour.



Textes bibliques, AELF

Normand Thomas.

jonojim1337 said:

If Caesar exists or not.

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As a type for civil authorities, yes. Many Caesar's around the globe yet today

Just as Pharaoh was a representative type for Satan in the O.T. against Israel, Caesar plays that same role in the gentile nations

Ezekiel 29:3
Speak, and say, Thus saith the Lord God; Behold, I am against thee, Pharaoh king of Egypt, the great dragon that lieth in the midst of his rivers, which hath said, My river is mine own, and I have made it for myself.

Was pharaoh a great dragon who resided in rivers in the literal sense? Uh, no. This is typology or allegory depicting in the physical, the ways of Satan in mankind, particular at the "head."

In the Spirit, Israel itself is "Sodom and Egypt." Rev. 11:8

Not everything is as it appears on the surface in scripture. In fact nothing is as it appears on the surface

Guojing said:

When God told Abraham to be physically circumcised in Genesis 17:14, otherwise he will be cut off from God, could Abraham have refused to do so by saying "Did you lie to me, didn't I receive imputed righteousness in Genesis 15 already?

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So, God accounted righteousness to Abraham about 13 years after the event in Genesis 15. Where do you find this special revelation in the bible?

Romans 4:9 Is this blessing then on the circumcised, or on the uncircumcised also? For we say, "FAITH WAS CREDITED TO ABRAHAM AS RIGHTEOUSNESS." 10 How then was it credited? While he was circumcised, or uncircumcised? Not while circumcised, but while uncircumcised;
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Paul was under the impression Abraham was accounted righteous before he was circumcised.

retired firefighter said:

they should in these last days return to their roots where the Holy Spirit and his gifts were evident and not locked away

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As a Pentecostal, I would advise all likeminded to apply whichever capability God has supplied you with (we are many members), apt to give equal footing for all of God's word (Acts 20:27, 1Tim 3:2).

I learned that if I don't drive my car for 3 months or more, the battery would die. Its good to know this, but I learned it the hard way..

Jeff Saunders said:

Let me explain what I was thinking.
Freewill is our ability to make a choice that's all if their is no choice, like Calvinism teaches, their is no freewill.

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My general objection to such stances is that there is nothing that transpires in creation that God is not involved in in some way. Evil does transpire in the midst of Omnipresence, as well as sin and death.

Therefore...do the math

We're faced with 2 basic postures when this reality hits. We can either isolate God and provide excuses for Him

or

We can believe that God is greater than anything that happens and can make it all seem as nothing, which is what I believe happens.

Let the worlds turn to dust. It will not matter in the face of Eternity.

Jeff Saunders said:

Yes ultimately Gods plan will be done, I believe that its Gods will that none should perish but for all to come to the knowledge of the truth, Gods will must and will be done but within that will we are given choices to either follow Jesus now in our mortal body, which has the greatest reward or to choose him through purgation which has a loss of inheritance. These are real choices on our part but without choice we are merely robots.

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I'd suggest that no person acts apart from Divine and unseen influences, one way or another. Therefore there is no "blame" necessary. IF God wanted all of us to believe He could make it happen in an instant, just as He did many times with many people. None of us choose our way into God. He chose us, for whatever that brings.

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God because he is outside of time knows what are choices will be,

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You're presuming these choices transpire in a vacuum. I think that's just a ridiculous posture that isolates God from the equations.

Jeff Saunders said:

so he knows the beginning from the end, but we still have to make those choices and each has its own consequences but God does not make our choices for us as Calvinist think ,

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Then you are promoting a Godless position, is a general point of fact.

Jeff Saunders said:

does the Father help us and is he involved with our lives, yes he can do whatever he wants, but we are responsible for our actions.

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I appreciate the back tracking attempt, but you can't play it both ways my friend.

Jeff Saunders said:

I see this in the Romans letter that compares all humanity to a lump of clay some for noble use some for common, our choices are what make us either noble or common, but its our choice, even if the Father knows what choice we will make.

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I'd have a bit of a different take on Romans and the lump, the question being why has God made me thus? A vessel of honor and a vessel of dishonor in the same lump. Universally applied. And God's choice which is dominant.

God raised Pharaoh to resist. What Pharaoh thought about it really doesn't matter. God has POWER OVER him, and used it to turn against Israel and force a separation.

This also happens to us, individually, when we are born again. We turn against our own pharaoh, the tempter or his own. Which we had no clue about prior to salvation.

You see, there really are things going on, unseen. And sadly still unknown to believers who should know better.

Jeff Saunders said:

In the end the Father will be all in all, on the new heaven and a new earth.

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And to that we agree, which is a good thing

Who can complain about Perfection running everything? Not me, for sure.

keras said:

Those who promote and teach false theories and wrong doctrines, will be held accountable at their Judgment.
Using Revelation 4:1 as a proof of a general rapture, is plainly wrong and destroys the whole 'rapture; belief.

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Apostle John was on Patmos the entire time he was shown his vision of supernatural scenes for each chapter and verse of Revelation.

John specifically indicated when he was immersed in his vision and seeing and hearing a supernatural scene. He repeatedly wrote specific phrases such as “I looked” and “I heard” (and their variations) to indicate he was immersed in his vision and seeing and hearing specific supernatural scenes.

Those specific indications were written beginning in the first supernatural scene. The first supernatural scene began in Rev 1:10 (ESV): I was in the Spirit on the Lord's day, and I heard behind me a loud voice like a trumpet

John could only initially hear the audio of the first supernatural scene, and he specifically indicated that with, “I heard.”

In Rev 1:12, John saw into his supernatural scene and specifically indicated that with “I saw.” Rev 1:12 (ESV): Then I turned to see the voice that was speaking to me, and on turning I saw seven golden lampstands,

Throughout Rev, you will repeatedly find those specific phrases and variations thereto. The use of those phrases specifically indicated he was seeing and/or hearing a supernatural scene in the continuation of his vision.

Rev 4:1-2 (ESV): After this I looked, and behold, a door standing open in heaven! And the first voice, which I had heard speaking to me like a trumpet, said, “Come up here, and I will show you what must take place after this.” 2 At once I was in the Spirit, and behold, a throne stood in heaven, with one seated on the throne.

In Rev 4:1, John used “I looked, and behold” which prove he was seeing the first supernatural scene for Rev 4:1.

In Rev 4:1, John also said, “I had heard” in relation to the same voice he heard in Rev 1:10 (ESV): … I heard behind me a loud voice like a trumpet …

In Rev 4:2, John used “and behold” to specifically indicate the supernatural scene was continuing with a vision into Heaven.

John was shown all of Rev by a vision of supernatural scenes for each chapter and verse. John generously indicated when he was immersed in his vision of supernatural scenes by the use phrases “I heard” and “I looked” and their variations.

In Rev 22:8, John acknowledges he was shown all of Rev by one angel, who was clearly responsible for presenting every element of every supernatural scene. Rev 22:8 (ESV): I, John, am the one who heard and saw these things. And when I heard and saw them, I fell down to worship at the feet of the angel who showed them to me,

Rev 4:1 remains unfulfilled. It therefore will be the pre-Trib rapture of the Church, in complete alignment with Rev 3:10 and the supporting verses: 1 Th 1:10, 1 Th 4:16-17, 1 Cor 15:52, John 14:3 and Acts 1:11.

Heavenly Father, unoriginate and almighty, infinite in love and perfection

Vouchsafe that the surgery to be performed on the father of Jane Chai shall prove to be a success, that Thou may be glorified through it, for Thou art a good God, who lovest mankind, and to thee we offer all honor, glory and worship, together with Thine uncreated only begotten Son and Incarnate Logos, Jesus Christ, and Thy Holy Spirit, our Comforter and Paraclete, ever one God.

Amen

ArmyMatt said:

please pray for the newly departed Theodora.

memory eternal!

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Memory eternal

Delvianna said:

Good point. What IS the point of "warning people" about climate change being a hoax and a bank collapse?

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The point? Like a watchman on the city wall, declare what is revealed.

per below, what to do? Just like the true (not religious) believers following Jesus when ww11 occurred.
always do what is right. (cannot be done with the approval of the politic or religious leader who oppose Jesus in the first century and since then)

JAM2b said:

If it is part of the great tribulation, then what exactly are we supposed to do about it?
If God ordained it or warns that it is definitely going to happen, we can't stop it, cause it, speed it up, slow it down, etc.

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JAM2b said:

The best anyone can do is hope for the best, prepare for the worst, and aim for something good, which is what everyone should always be doing regardless of what's to come or who's prophecy is correct or incorrect.

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Objective perspective perhaps ? (just using ai because it is convenient - a convenient and not terrible summary; all must be verified , checked and double-checked as individuals desire more concrete (or sin-thetic proofs) ....
so anyhow, not worth more time .... (on forum; rules of society do not support actual seeking truth; rather increasing seeker friendly members with a seeker friendly (false) gospel )

"The term "medbed" refers to two very different things: a fictional, miracle-healing device promoted in conspiracy theories and real-world "medical beds" used in healthcare settings.
Medbeds as a conspiracy theory
The concept of "medbeds" as a cure-all technology is a hoax with no scientific basis that spread from QAnon and other far-right online groups.

• The claims: Promoters allege that secret, advanced "medbeds" exist, hidden by governments or a "deep state," that can instantly cure any disease, reverse aging, and regenerate limbs using technologies like AI, quantum energy, and terahertz light waves. Some versions even claim the technology is of alien origin.
• The spread: The theory gained traction on platforms like Telegram, TikTok, and QAnon-affiliated message boards, with believers claiming the technology would be released to the public by specific political figures.
• Harmful impact: The medbed conspiracy is a form of medical misinformation that can have dangerous real-world consequences. People suffering from serious illnesses have been known to delay or reject evidence-based medical care while waiting for these nonexistent devices, sometimes paying thousands of dollars to fraudulent companies.
• Fraudulent exploitation: Companies have capitalized on the conspiracy, selling devices and access to "medbeds" with pseudoscientific claims. These products have been subject to warnings from regulatory bodies like the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA).

Medical beds as real-world equipment
Medical beds, also known as hospital beds, are adjustable beds designed for the comfort and care of patients in healthcare facilities or at home.

• Real medical beds vs. "medbeds": Medical beds should not be confused with the fictional "medbed" promoted online. Unlike the mythical devices, real medical beds provide comfort and assistance but have no instant curative powers.
• Purpose: These beds are used to accommodate elderly, disabled, or chronically ill individuals with limited mobility. Features like adjustable height, head, and foot sections help caregivers and improve patient comfort and well-being.
• Smart medical beds: Some real-world "smart" medical beds incorporate technology to solve practical problems. In 2017, for instance, a smart digital medical bed called "MedBed" was designed to help patients gain independence when a nurse is unavailable. This is distinctly different from the fantastical, curative claims of the conspiracy theory.

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Vambram said:

Netanyahu Nominates Trump to Become the First Non-Israeli to Win the Nation's Highest Award

Prime Minister Netanyahu also addressed the Nobel Peace Prize, suggesting Trump will receive it as well in due time.

www.westernjournal.com

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They can inscribe it with the names of the 70,000 + men, women and children blown up and burnt to death.

Only by the mercies of God, and in his power, are any of us able to do what this talks about here. Only by the grace of God, in God the Father sending Jesus Christ, his only begotten Son, to die on a cross and to put our sins to death with him, are any of us able by faith in Jesus Christ to die with Christ to sin and to obey our Lord’s commands in daily practice. All this comes from God and is empowered of God and is gifted to us by God. Not one of us, in our flesh, is deserving of God’s love and grace. All glory belongs to God!!

But Jesus Christ did not give his life up for us on that cross just to forgive us our sins and to promise us heaven as our eternal home. He put our sins to death with him on that cross so that, by God-persuaded faith in him, we will now die to sin and live for God in walks of obedience to his commands, in holy living. By God-gifted faith in the Lord Jesus we are to surrender our lives to God to do his will, and we are to submit to his Lordship over our lives, and we are to die daily to sin and to follow Jesus where he leads us.

Because Jesus Christ put our sins to death with him, we are to die to sin. And because God raised him from the dead, we are to live new lives in Christ Jesus, no longer as slaves to sin, but as servants of righteousness. We are to give our bodies over to God as living and holy sacrifices to God, acceptable to God, which is our spiritual service of worship of God. For worship of God is not just singing songs of worship, and raising our hands, as we see many people doing, but it is in following our Lord in obedience to his commands.

And worship of God is not something we do in a “worship service” via singing songs of praise to God if our lives are not surrendered to the will of God, and if we are not living holy lives, pleasing to God. We may be going through the motions of “worship,” but true worship of God, of Christ Jesus, involves us dying to sin and walking in obedience to our Lord in surrender to the will of God for our lives, in holy living, empowered by God. Our lives are no longer our own to be lived how we want, but they are to be lived for the will of God.

And then we are no longer to be conformed to the ways of this sinful world. We should not look like, act like, speak like, think like, and live like the ungodly of this world. We should not blend in with the culture of the world to be accepted by the people of the world. But we are to be separate (unlike, different) from the world because we are now being conformed by God to the likeness of character of Jesus Christ, as we cooperate fully with God’s work of love and grace in our lives in molding us into his likeness.

For we are now to be transformed in heart and mind and behavior by the grace of God, empowered by God, by God-gifted faith in Jesus Christ. Our old lives of living for self and in sin should have been put to death by faith in Jesus Christ. Sin should no longer be our practice, but obedience to God in righteous and holy living is to be what we practice, by the grace of God. Sin should no longer have mastery over our lives, but God should now be Lord and Master of our lives as we now live holy lives which are pleasing to God.

[Matthew 7:13-14,21-23; Luke 9:23-26; John 10:27-30; Acts 26:18; Romans 1:18-32; Romans 2:5-10; Romans 3:23; Romans 6:1-23; Romans 8:1-14; 1 Corinthians 10:1-22; Galatians 5:16-24; Ephesians 2:8-10; Ephesians 4:17-32; Ephesians 5:3-6; Titus 2:11-14; Hebrews 3:1-19; Hebrews 4:1-13; Hebrews 10:19-39; Hebrews 12:1-2; 1 Peter 2:24; 1 John 1:1-10; 1 John 2:3-6; 1 John 3:4-10; Revelation 2:1-29; Revelation 3:1-22]

Oh, to Be Like Thee, Blessed Redeemer

Lyrics by Thomas O. Chisholm, 1897
Music by W. J. Kirkpatrick, 1897

Oh, to be like Thee! blessèd Redeemer,
This is my constant longing and prayer;
Gladly I’ll forfeit all of earth’s treasures,
Jesus, Thy perfect likeness to wear.

Oh, to be like Thee! full of compassion,
Loving, forgiving, tender and kind,
Helping the helpless, cheering the fainting,
Seeking the wandering sinner to find.

O to be like Thee! lowly in spirit,
Holy and harmless, patient and brave;
Meekly enduring cruel reproaches,
Willing to suffer others to save.

O to be like Thee! while I am pleading,
Pour out Thy Spirit, fill with Thy love;
Make me a temple meet for Thy dwelling,
Fit me for life and Heaven above.

Oh, to be like Thee! Oh, to be like Thee,
Blessèd Redeemer, pure as Thou art;
Come in Thy sweetness, come in Thy fullness;
Stamp Thine own image deep on my heart.

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