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President Trump Responds to Judge’s Ruling on SNAP Benefits

That is some serious reality denial there.
That us the power of ideology. It alters perception to reinforce itself. It is similar to religion in that way. Belief influences perception and then perception aligns with belief.

It takes courage and humility to dare break that cycle.
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Two National Guardsmen Shot and Killed in DC

FBI believes National Guard shooting suspect was from Bellingham (Washington State)

(other headlines suggest he drove across country with some sort of plan in mind.)

The Washington, D.C. mayor described the attack as a “targeted shooting.”

At last check, the two were critically injured.

Following the shooting, President Donald Trump has asked for 500 more National Guard troops to be deployed to D.C.


ETA:

Pirro said the suspect, Rahmanullah Lakanwal, allegedly drove across country from Washington state to target the Guard members.

The White House was briefly put on lockdown on Wednesday but that the order was lifted at about 5 p.m. President Donald Trump and the first lady are in Florida, where they are spending Thanksgiving at his Mar-a-Lago club.

[The perp] applied for asylum in 2024 and was granted asylum in April of this year, under the Trump administration, according to three law enforcement sources.

"He previously worked with the USG, including CIA, as a member of a partner force in Kandahar that ended in 2021 following the withdrawal from Afghanistan," CIA director John Ratcliffe said in a statement.
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Hello!

Hello, my name is Dreyma! (Or at least, that is the alias I typically use online.)

I graduated from college last year with an education degree, and now I'm teaching English to high-school students at a small public school in a rural area. This is my first time working in a profession and my first time living away from parents, so it's been quite the adjustment.

I'm here because I spend too much time chatting in online communities that draw me away from Christ instead of towards him. I thought this might be a good substitute, a place that could strengthen my faith instead of making me feel ashamed or uncertain of it.

(I just need to make sure that I don't use conversations here as another excuse to procrastinate chores and lesson planning and grading...)
Welcome!
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No Duty Is More Urgent Than That of Returning Thanks...

Hi Friend,

HAPPY THANKSGIVING!



I wanted to share some great one-liners from the saints about gratitude. Spend some time chewing on these today. It’ll lift your soul. And if you live them, it’ll change your life. (The first four are from an American, Blessed Solanus Casey.)



“It’s heaven begun for the grateful on earth.”

— Blessed Solanus Casey



“Thank God ahead of time.”

— Blessed Solanus Casey



“Be sure, if the enemy of our souls is pleased at anything in us it is ingratitude—of whatever kind. Why? Ingratitude leads to so many breaks with God and neighbor.”

— Blessed Solanus Casey



“Gratitude is as necessary for social order and harmony as are the laws of gravity for the physical world.”

— Blessed Solanus Casey



“Thank him for everything, because everything is good.”

— St. Josemaría Escrivá



“Happiness can only be achieved by looking inward and learning to enjoy whatever life has, and this requires transforming greed into gratitude.”

— St. John Chrysostom



“The secret of happiness is to live moment by moment and to thank God for what He is sending us every day in His goodness.”

— St. Gianna Beretta Molla



“Gratitude is the memory of the heart.”

St. Mary Euphrasia Pelletier



“No duty is more urgent than that of returning thanks.”

— St. Ambrose



“Think of all the beauty in yourself and in everything around you and be happy.”

— Anne Frank (I know. Not a Saint. But a hero nonetheless!)



“What most attracts God’s graces is gratitude, because if we thank him for a gift, he is touched and hastens to give us ten more, and if we thank him again with the same enthusiasm, what an incalculable multiplication of graces! I have experienced this; try it yourself and you will see! My gratitude for everything he gives me is limitless, and I prove it to him in a thousand ways.”

— St. Thérèse of Lisieux



If you’re reading this, I’m grateful for YOU, and to know that I’m spiritually walking through life with you. My family and I are praying for you today.



HAVE A GRATEFUL DAY!



God bless you,



Chris Stefanick

Real Life Catholic

"Don't Give up the Ship"

Those despicable six can’t define what illegal orders they were talking about.
That would seem to align with the theory that they were talking generally, rather than specifically trying to undermine the President, wouldn't it? I don't know about you, but I certainly would have a difficult time defining what illegal orders I might be talking about if no illegal orders have been issued yet.
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How Can People Get Confused with Christianity and Nazism?

I've been thinking about the stark contrast between Christianity and Nazism, yet I've noticed that some people seem to conflate the two. One promotes love, forgiveness, and humility, while the other is rooted in hatred, domination, and prejudice.

Context: One prays, the other preys.

How is it possible for individuals to draw parallels between these two ideologies? Could it be due to historical misinterpretations, propaganda, or a misunderstanding of faith itself? I'd love to hear your thoughts on this confusing juxtaposition.

  • What examples can you share that highlight these misconceptions?
  • How can we better educate others on the true message of Christianity in light of such conflation?
  • What role do you think social media plays in perpetuating these misunderstandings?
Looking forward to a thoughtful discussion!
el3venS1x (Dell)

The comparison of Christianity to an atrocity like Nazism stems from a place of profound fear and deep-seated historical memory, rather than a literal equation of their objectives. It is this version, Christian Nationalism, that has unfortunately caused the tension you are speaking of.
For those drawn to Christian Nationalism, there is often a genuine, deeply felt grief over cultural change and a belief that the nation has lost its moral compass. They sincerely yearn for a sense of community, stability, and shared values, often rooted in a sincere religious conviction, hoping to "restore" a perceived golden era where their beliefs were central to public life. This movement is driven by a profound desire for certainty in a rapidly changing world.
However, the reason this movement evokes comparisons to the darkest chapters of history, like Nazism, is due to the terror it instills in those on the margins. The fear is not about theological debate, but about the weaponization of state power. When an ideology claims that only one specific faith or cultural identity is legitimate for governing the nation, it inherently seeks to define who belongs and who is an "outsider." Critics see proposals like those in Project 2025—which would centralize power in a single executive and dismantle protections for minority groups—as creating the structural framework for tyranny. The comparison to Nazism tragically recalls the historical pattern where exclusionary nationalism, even when framed in terms of restoring a virtuous state, inevitably leads to the systematic dehumanization and persecution of the "others."
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Pentagon investigating Sen. Mark Kelly over 'refuse illegal orders' video

This one is easy, if the current adminstration doesn't issue illegal orders, there's nothing to bark about.

Based on Trump's reaction, it seems has plans for the US military for the "enemey within". He told them as much just a few weeks ago.....
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The rise of menace as a mainstream political tool

You find protesters to be "menacing"? I guess that says a lot.
It involved a labor union, probably socialists.

At one point, the protesters spilled out onto Century Boulevard, blocking cars trying to enter LAX.

However, police were able to move the protest back onto sidewalks and traffic continued to flow normally.
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Multiple immigration sweeps reported across Los Angeles, with a tense standoff/protest downtown; SEIU union leader arrested

This diverse coalition is watchdogging L.A. immigration raids, driving ‘Liberty Vans’

  • A politically diverse coalition, made up of Democrats and Republicans, has dispatched vans to drive through L.A. and other cities to document ICE raids.
  • The vans record enforcement actions at worksites and Home Depots, with footage published online to show the human impact.
  • Volunteers include pastors, immigration lawyers and veterans who provide support and legal guidance to day laborers targeted in the immigration sweeps.
One of these organizations [doing something in the face of ICE's escalation] is the Save America Movement, which runs the Liberty Vans and includes a bipartisan leadership that is far more politically connected than that of many grassroots organizations. The group was founded by Steve Schmidt, a former top aide to Republican Sen. John McCain of Arizona, and Mary Corcoran, a longtime public relations specialist, with a steering committee that includes law professors, pastors and strategists.

The Save America Movement launched the vans first in L.A. and then in Chicago and Charlotte, N.C., where federal immigration agents were raiding heavily Latino areas. The motivation behind the project was to provide support and help people understand the impact of the daily immigration raids, Corcoran said in an interview. Outside California, she said, many people don’t get it.

“If they did, I believe there would be much more urgency around what’s happening,” she said.

In October, the organization said video by a Save America Movement photojournalist in Chicago recorded federal agents deploying tear gas against protesters and pointing weapons at journalists, which at the time violated a federal court order. The organization made that footage available online with time stamps and annotations.

On Friday, the van ride included the Rev. Madison Jones McAleese, Navy veteran Brian Kelly and immigration lawyer Juan Jose Gutierrez, who can offer legal support to families or offer “know your right” basics to laborers. And to capture it all was cameraman René Miranda, who started covering raids when a large protest broke out in Paramount, where he lives.

For McAleese, she said she felt it was her duty to be part of the effort to stand against the raids because of what she views as unlawful actions being taken by ICE enforcement. McAleese carries holy water and offers to pray with any one who seeks prayer.

“I don’t feel like I have a choice,” she said. “God is reflected in the face of every immigrant, documented and undocumented.”
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The deity of Jesus Christ

In the beginning was the Word

And the Word was with God

And the Word was God

He was in the beginning with God

All things came into being through Him

In Him was life

And the life was the Light of men

The Light shines in the darkness

Jesus, the Christ

Messiah of the Most High

Blessed be the Lord

Blessed be the Lord indeed

Indeed, the deity of Christ, His being of one essence with the Father, fully God and fully Man, and of the Holy Spirit, are part of the Nicene Creed, which is part of the Christian Forums Statement of Faith.

The importance of the doctrine of the Incarnation, as described in John 1:1-18 and in Luke ch. 1-2 and Matthew ch. 1 and Matthew 28:19 cannot be overstated.
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The Revelation of Jesus Christ

Interesting subject, not very often discussed-or mentioned in the churches themselves, but much discussed on the internet.

Well that’s because all Christian churches, like Christian Forums, adhere to the NIcene Creed, which is the definitive standard of faith which distinguishes Christians from Unitarians, Jehovah’s Witnesses and other heterodox belief systems.
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An alternate future

I've often mentioned my (old) Presbyterian pastor whom I learnt a lot from, although he discouraged me. The night my father died he turned up in my room.

I was an atheist at the time, but he predicted I'd become Christian, and as part of that "... You will meet a pastor. You'll think he's great, but all he'll do is to discourage you even more!" (than he had himself).

I met the pastor circa 1982/83. When I was going to leave his church in 1991 (I was getting married and moving away) he admitted he had discouraged me, but as I said I still hold him in high respect. Incidentally he was not an admirer of some of the "last days" stuff which comes out of various (mainly Protestant) personalities in the USA in the main, saying "... they're a bit weird..."

But he had some thoughts on the issue. For one thing he was very firm on the business about no man knows the day or the hour of Christ's return. It could be tomorrow, and it could be 10,000 years down the track. We haven't been told.

However I find that if he thought something would happen it did sooner or later. Several of his predictions have come to pass since he died in 1992, including my becoming Catholic (1997); there would be a lot of priestly pedophile cases after I became Catholic (media from around 2002); my sister would get leukemia and not live very long which happened (2005 aged 45); his own eldest son would have a major health breakdown which was a stroke (1996 or 97); there would be a pandemic (Covid 2020); there would be a second Gulf War as the "... Americans will have had enough of Saddam Hussein and they will get rid of him. But I think they will lose a FEW men the next time (2003); I'd make a silly mistake at work and "they" would use that to get rid of me (1995); etc. These were all predicted and they all happened.

He wasn't an admirer of Zionism, commenting that ".... they've served their purpose ..." (it's up to the Jews to recognise Christ, not the other way round). But he also conjectured "I think He (God) is going to drive us off the planet... I think we'll learn to teleport..."

He died in 1992, and (from Wikipedia) "The first successful experimental quantum teleportation of a photon's polarization was achieved by two independent research groups in 1997", five years later.

It's a long cry from that event to teleporting material objects, and even more so living creatures which have a spirit.

But I think we'll get around that obstacle eventually, although there will most likely be a considerable hiatus between the first inanimate teleportation and the first biological teleportation.

We've moved a long way in space travel since World War II. Robert Goddard's rockets might have gone a couple of hundred feet into the air in the 1920's. The V2's were flying about 250 kms in 1944; NASA landed men on the moon a mere 25 years later; Voyagers 1 and 2 left the solar system in 2012 and 2018 respectively. Of course we now have AI and robotics both of which would be absolutely necessary for a civilisation in space. It's obvious God is letting us do these things, which implies they form part of His plan.

As Dietrich Bonhoeffer might have put it, Man has "Come of Age".

Now suppose his prediction happens, that God does indeed drive us off the planet - what price Jerusalem or for that matter Rome in a civilisation which might be spread through a fair section of the Milky Way? I'm Catholic and I accept the Petrine Chair - Christ was setting up an office and giving the church authority when He declared Peter the Rock.

But I know of no Biblical mandate for Rome to be the "eternal city".

The way politics is going we could well be heading for nuclear wars, and those cities could easily be destroyed.

So I'm not over impressed with hardline pronunciations about either Jerusalem or Rome for that matter. In the end they're just cities.

That's my cold blooded view, and that's what I think.

Regarding quantum teleportation, its actually normal behavior for small particles; what many people don’t understand is that very small particles like protons, electrons and so on do not behave like macroscopic objects. They exhibit wave/particle duality and behave in a probabilistic rather than deterministic manner, so that quantum mechanics actually requires a use of statistics in order to study what is going on with such extremely small objects. The world of the very small is a very strange place but these quantum fluctuations stabilize as we move from the realm of the very small to the macroscopic world humans encounter on a daily basis.
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Hell doesn't exist and there is no eternal suffering, instead bad peolle just cease to exist

Not according to the Bible.
People like to say that things they don't like are "concepts", etc. They'll even sometimes abuse/misuse Scripture taken out of context to back their opinions.
It's being done lately with gender/sex for example. "It's a concept" they claim.
There will always be those who come along and disagree with God and the Bible and then try to play god and make their own things up. They are free to do that, but it doesn't erase the fact that there is a Heaven and there is a Hell.
Then they go on to make their own version of things and that's supposed to be more realistic in their opinion.
No. there is Heaven and there is Hell.
If a person doesn't like that, instead of trying to manipulate things according to their own worldview, just disagree with the Bible and move on.
Even though some religions may teach this idea, Christianity doesn't.

Enter through the narrow gate; for the gate is wide and the way is broad that leads to destruction, and there are many who enter through it. For the gate is narrow and the way is constricted that leads to life, and there are few who find it." Matt 7: 13-14
"Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one who does the will of My Father who is in heaven will enter. Many will say to Me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name perform many miracles?’ And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; leave Me, you who practice lawlessness.’" Matt 7: 21-23.
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Imitatio Christi - is the following Biblical?

Actually, I am wrong, Jesus Christ chose Paul to follow him.

Indeed. From an Orthodox perspective we believe St. Paul could have refused our Lord, or fallen away, since St. Paul expresses a fear this would happen to him, but whether this is true or not, St. Paul remains venerable because in him we see Theosis, which according to our friend @hedrick to some extent even John Calvin had a recognition of.
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Stepping from Fog into Sunlight: What is your "Holy Ground" moment?

I resonate with this a lot. I was diagnosed with an anxiety disorder over 15 years ago. Many, many years ago I took up the practice of praying the Jesus Prayer after reading about The Way of the Pilgrim. I have frequently sought refuge in that Prayer more times than I can count when anxiety rises. To remind myself--for in the panic it is easy to forget--that I am in Jesus' hands and He has my back. I rise and fall by the mercy of the Lord.

How splendid!

Do you use a prayer rope? i have a large number of prayer ropes and lestovkas which are highly enjoyable, although not strictly needed, much of the time I just say the prayer in my mind, relying on external temporal references.

Also, have you read On The Prayer of Jesus by St. Ignatius Brianchaninov?

I myself have depended on prayer my entire life due to severe anxiety, but the Jesus Prayer is a great blessing. When I first visited a monastery I had horrible nightmares until I was advised by one of the monks to say the Jesus Prayer. Problem solved. The devil does not want us visiting monasteries.
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Do you keep the Sabbath? (poll)

I would also appreciate it if you wouldn't add claims I have never stated. Can you find a quote where I said "SabbathBlessings said that the other laws other than the Ten Commandments "have no significate value""? I don't think you can because I never said that.



"Many" people who call Jesus Lord, Lord, claim that Passover and Feast of Unleavened bread were not part of creation, yet it is written; "the Christ was slain from the foundation of the world".

Col. 1: 21 And you, that were sometime alienated and enemies in your mind by wicked works, yet now hath he reconciled 22 In the body of his flesh through death, to present you holy and unblameable and unreproveable in his sight: 23 If ye continue in the faith grounded and settled, and be not moved away from the hope of the gospel, which ye have heard, and "which was preached to every creature which is under heaven"; whereof I Paul am made a minister;

For me, I personally think it's foolish to suggest or imply that the only Words God spoke to the Adam, Noah or Abraham are recorded in Scripture. Clearly Paul didn't think so.

The 1st and 2nd Greatest commandment that Jesus Himself teaches, were not enumerated at Creation, but that doesn't mean they didn't exist. Wouldn't it be foolish to believe or imply that God didn't share with mankind HIS 2 greatest Commandments? Clearly Cain knew it was a sin to hate his brother, but where was the Commandment enumerated? I think it's a mistake to believe that God had every Word HE spoke to Adam, Cain, Noah or Abraham recorded in Scripture.

I think it's a mistake to assume God didn't know Adam would sin before Adam sinned. Or imply that HE didn't have His Salvation plan in place from the foundation of the world. Or assume that Abraham didn't know about "Passover and Feast of Unleavened bread", especially since his own life was a mirror of the "Exodus" and that he literally was instructed to "Deny himself, pick up his cross and follow God". After all, It is written:

Gen. 22: 7 And Isaac spake unto Abraham his father, and said, My father: and he said, Here am I, my son. And he said, Behold the fire and the wood: but where is the lamb for a burnt offering? 8 And Abraham said, My son, God will provide himself a lamb for a burnt offering: so they went both of them together.

And Jesus did say:

John 8: 56 Your father Abraham "rejoiced to see my day": and he saw it, and was glad. 57 Then said the Jews unto him, Thou art not yet fifty years old, and hast thou seen Abraham? 58 Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.

And God Gave Israel Passover and Unleavened bread before He gave them His Weekly Sabbath or the 10 Commandments. Since you say everything God does is with intent and purpose, which I agree, shouldn't the timing of this event then be looked at through the same prism?



I have never suggested or implied that God "ADDED" His Feasts, including His Sabbaths, because of Sin. Not sure what you are talking about there.

As for the "ADDED" Law, Levi wasn't even born yet in Abraham's time, the Levitical Priesthood was clearly Added 430 years after Abraham, at least according to Scriptures. And like the Eternal Priesthood we have now, it was ADDED "Because of Transgressions". And the Priesthood covenant with Levi was only temporary, to be in place "Till the True Lamb of God, the Priest "After the Order of Melchizedek" should come. So we are now under a New, incorruptible Priesthood, that God provided for us in His Mercy, "Because of Transgressions". To replace the Temporary Priesthood Covenant HE made with Levi that God provided for Israel, in His Mercy, "Because of Transgressions".

How is this understanding not aligned with all scripture?

But the Law of God to Love Him and Love one another, as defined in Scriptures, and the Laws, Judgments and Statutes which hang on them, including the 10 Commandments, has existed since the creation of human life, and will be required by God as long as human life exists, as it is the foundation of all Righteousness.

I know how popular the preaching is, that God's Entire Law wasn't even given to mankind until 430 years after Abraham. That for Israel, Transgression of the Law came first, then the Law after that. It's absurd really, and yet there are huge religious businesses and sects of this world that promotes this very thing to whoever adopts their religion.

My hope is that someone might consider these things, ask and answer questions in a discussion about them as we are tasked to "prove all things".. I asked you some important questions, but you didn't consider them worthy of your acknowledgment or engagement.

This seems to always lead to frustration, then resentment. I'm not here to preach down to anyone. Just looking to examine and discuss in an honest and unbiased way, what is written in Scripture in search for, not justification for one religious philosophy over another, but the Truth of God.

I think you are attributing to God, a "Value system" HE incorporates towards His Laws, Judgments and Statutes, that doesn't align with what is actually written in Scriptures. I could be wrong. And clearly you have made up your mind.

So it might be best to just move on.

Thanks for the discussion anyway, it's always good to dwell on the Word of God, in my view.
So basically you are saying you have no Scripture where God made the annual feasts days, which included animal sacrifices, as part of creation and His perfect plan before sin so if God didn't add them, there must be a reason, so not "my" reasoning. Essentially claiming the annual feasts days was part of Creation is saying God made it in His perfect plan to kill innocent lambs and goats for no reason, so whose reasoning is this, mans or God's. There is not one verse that indicates this until after sin. Gen3:21 Adam and Eve lost their robe of righteousness when they sinned so God covered them with animal skins - which was the atonement for sins and would have never happened had Adam and Eve stayed faithful to God. This always represented God's future sacrifice of His own Son, for sins, covering our sins with His blood. The feast days, that some were annual sabbaths and animal sacrifices always pointed forward to Jesus to His Sacrifice. Heb10:1-14 Heb9:10-15 1 Cor5:7 John1:29

And sadly did not own the error that Moses did not write the Ten Commandments 1st or 2nd time but God did Himself.

I am okay agreeing to disagree. Be well and hope you have a nice Thanksgiving.
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