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Is Wikipedia a 'reliable source' for Martin Luther?

Thank you for the interest!

I'm not an expert on the man and life of Luther, and I've admittedly only skimmed through the article, but it seems good to me. Maybe some question marks around the doctrine of soul sleep and his later writings.

I can also recommend the overview as found in the Christian Cyclopaedia published by the Lutheran Church—Missouri Synod (LCMS):

Hope that helps!

God bless!
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Trump suggests he’ll release Jeffrey Epstein ‘client list’ if elected: ‘I’d have no problem with it’

Kash Patel unloads all blame for botched Epstein probe onto ex-Trump official

“I know that there's a lot of talk about Epstein, and I'm here to testify that the original sin in the Epstein case was the way it was initially brought by Mr. [Alexander] Acosta back in 2006,” Patel said, testifying before the Senate Judiciary Committee.
The same Alexander Acosta that Trump rewarded with a cabinet position? That Alexander Acosta? Maybe it was a wise move; Acosta's sweetheart deal for Epstein meant a lot of things wouldn't become public.
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A Gentle Reminder: Even When No One Sees

The idea that she claims to be doing it to glorify God absolutely spoils it for me. I would much rather that she do such things simply because they're kind and fulfilling. Not because they glorify some supposed God, but simply because they glorify life. Let me do good, simply because it's good.
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Historical ICE raid in Georgia

It might be something like, "Sure we were only looking for these four individuals, but these other guys look foreign and didn't speak English sufficiently well, so..."
Over 400 agents participated in this massive event, and over 400 illegal workers were identified and detained.

Over 400 illegal workers were identified and detained. This was not a "we were looking for 4, so we arrested everyone who looked like them." THERE WAS OVER 400 IDENTIFIED ILLEGAL WORKERS! Trying to dismiss or downplay the sheer number of illegal workers is intellectually dishonest to the conversation.
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And one more scandal developing

The voters have given their verdict on the accusations against Trump.
Well. 12 of them did. Guilty. Not one charge. Dozens of them. And as you see, Mueller didn't indict him, only because the policy of the Justice Department is to not indict a sitting president.
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Trump says ‘we have to beat the hell’ out of ‘radical left lunatics’ after Kirk killing

Pam Bondi Shows Katy Tur Was Right on Trump Weaponizing Grief

Kirk’s death became instant fodder for partisanship. Katy Tur’s much-malignedquestion on MSNBC — whether President Donald Trump might use the assassination “as a justification for something bad” — was clumsy in its timing and drew harsh criticism, even from me.

But the events that followed suggest that while she was premature in asking about how it would play out in terms of policy, she has been proven absolutely correct in her premise.
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The Conjunction of Opposites

Yes, in the beginning of life in the flesh for mankind this is true.

Satan has no flesh body. It's an adverse antiChrist spirit
Genesis 3:15 "And I will put enmity between thee and the woman], and between thy seed and her Seed; It shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise His heel.

But the verses in Ezekiel, Isaiah, Job, etc before that make it clear he was perfect -without blemish until iniquity was found in him.
Obviously not perfect by the time of the garden event.
And I see you continue to cherry pick certain verses leaving out the rest of the parable. Only a portion had the seed stolen from them. Some of it fell on good ground therefore not stolen.
I've always said as Jesus taught us, that man shall live by every word of God. Not just the ones we like, which is what you're doing. Matt. 4:4, Luke 4:4, Deut. 8:3
No, that is not my claim. Only that at the present time it's much easier for mature Christians to resist his spirit When he's here disguised as that angel of light that's when we need to have the full gospel armor on and in place if one is here during that time period.
Point being the tempter and his own operate within mankind.
You need to know the difference between living in sin/habitual sin and missing the mark/falling short. No one is without sin but there is a difference.
You're merely looking at the external act of sin. IF the tempter operates within, then the worst sinner who has been involved within inserting that temptation, and it really doesn't matter much from that observation. Every sin is technically within, because of that bad actor, not because of your external act of sin, or lack thereof.

You can subscribe to the fantasy that your sin is better than the other people's because it's not overt, but your less than overt sin really has nothing to do with sin and Satan, if you follow the logic.

Satan isn't any less the sinner in anyone.
Case in point, you pointed out 1st John 3:8 but fail to see verse 7 for what it is and we can tie both together so we can see the difference.

I John 3:7 "Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as He is righteous."
I don't ascribe any sin to the person, just so you know, per Paul, 2 Cor. 5:19

That does NOT mean sin's are not counted. They are counted against devils.
I John 3:8 "He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that He might destroy the works of the devil."

John is making the distinction but you cannot.
You only want one side of the equation but not the other is all. Why would you have any problem condemning the tempter in you or anyone else???

In fact why don't you see that condition in others to begin with???

Why don't you admit you're tempted internally by the tempter and then this one sided good word only game might stop.
Believe me, no one will be able to drag Satan along with him when they're standing in Judgment.
You mean like this?:

Zech. 3:1-3
And he shewed me Joshua the high priest standing before the angel of the Lord, and Satan standing at his right hand to resist him.
And the Lord said unto Satan, The Lord rebuke thee, O Satan; even the Lord that hath chosen Jerusalem rebuke thee: is not this a brand plucked out of the fire?
Now Joshua was clothed with filthy garments, and stood before the angel.

No Satan in the picture? Guess again.

Contrary to what you want to believe Jesus showed us all that Satan and devils were in mankind, period.

That hasn't changed. All have sin. Sin is of the devil. Paul himself had a devil in his own flesh, 2 Cor. 12:7 and had temptations in his flesh and mind. Romans 7:7-13, Gal. 4:14

So, yes, it's never just you or I or anyone else involved in these questions. It's us and the adversary and or his own
Who's making excuses? Show me where I provided any excuses? He's a dead man walking so to speak bound for the Lake of Fire.
I may have mistaken you for a Christian universalist, which I am, who actually loves our neighbors as ourselves.

My apologies.
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6,000 Years?

The Light God saw that He called Day before the Sun.
Hello Platte, I hope you are doing well. Here are my thoughts on the 'Glory of God'.
If we look at Revelation 21:23, what do we read? "The city has no need of the sun or of the moon to shine on it, for the glory of God gives it light, and the Lamb is its lamp."

This passage tells us that there will come a time when the created light sources—the sun and moon—are no longer necessary because God Himself will be the light.

When we consider this in light of Genesis 1, we see a parallel. On the first day of creation, God said, "Let there be light," and there was light (Genesis 1:3). The sun, moon, and stars were not created until the fourth day (Genesis 1:14-19). The Bible is not silent here; it is the chronological order of events that reveals the truth. The first light was not from a created object, but from God's own glory, just as it will be in the New Jerusalem.

Therefore, this is not a doctrine I hold to simply because it is required; it is a theological inference drawn directly from scripture's own testimony about God being the source of all light, both at the beginning and at the end.

I hope that helps explain my perspective. It's a topic I'm passionate about (all topics about God's glory that is), and I'm glad we could discuss it here.

Have a wonderful day/night.
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Have you understood this?

And I meant Matt 16:18 -19 that it was Peter. that. was given that authority. and not the other 11 disciples .

dan p
You are mistaken about that. You have to take other scripture into account. I showed you Matthew 18:18 where Jesus said the same thing He said in Matthew 16:19 and He applied it to all of the disciples. Also, you need to consider Ephesians 2:19-22 where it talks about the church having the foundation of all the apostles and prophets and not just Peter. With Jesus Christ as the cornerstone. You need to take all of scripture into consideration whenever trying to interpret any given verse or passage.
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Charlie Kirk Didn’t Shy Away From Who He Was. We Shouldn’t, Either

That people are celebrating and offering winner badges to what is basically making arguements that Kirk derserved what he got is the problem. Regardless of what you or anyone else claims there is no justification in the murder of someone expressing their beliefs.

The reality is Kirk is not the only one. There has been hateful and violent speech and even calls from Dems for the death of certain figures. Even its celebration. Polls show around a 1/4 to a 1/3 of young Dems would support political violence and even the killing of opponents who disagreed.

This thinking has been cultivated in the very universities Kirk was engaging with. We had Leftist media trying to blame Kirk and are now sacked. In fact a number of people including teachers at these universities have been dismissed for such hateful responses.

The violence and murder we see now is the result of this rhetoric full stop. That people are attacking kirk and not the violence and killing and even celebrating or remaining silent on condemining this only to want to conflate the two is gross as far as I see. It reminds me of how Hamas was justified and the Jews attacked as the bad ones and the rise of antisemetism. Comes from the same evil spirit.

Yes it comes from both sides. But right now the majority is coming from the radical Left and the evidence is coming out in how they used their power to cultivate such a culture of violence, hate and division.

Any healing requires people to look at themselves and the reactions we are seeing in trying to justify this act and even celebrate it is only making it worse. Still the ideological capture is blinding people and in fact making them double down I think. .

The Escalating Terrorism Problem in the United States
From your link (dated 2020):

THE ISSUE


The United States faces a growing terrorism problem that will likely worsen over the next year. Based on a CSIS data set of terrorist incidents, the most significant threat likely comes from white supremacists, though anarchists and religious extremists inspired by the Islamic State and al-Qaeda could present a potential threat as well. Over the rest of 2020, the terrorist threat in the United States will likely rise based on several factors, including the November 2020 presidential election.
...This analysis makes several arguments. First, far-right terrorism has significantly outpaced terrorism from other types of perpetrators, including from far-left networks and individuals inspired by the Islamic State and al-Qaeda. Right-wing attacks and plots account for the majority of all terrorist incidents in the United States since 1994, and the total number of right-wing attacks and plots has grown significantly during the past six years. Right-wing extremists perpetrated two thirds of the attacks and plots in the United States in 2019 and over 90 percent between January 1 and May 8, 2020. Second, terrorism in the United States will likely increase over the next year in response to several factors. One of the most concerning is the 2020 U.S. presidential election, before and after which extremists may resort to violence, depending on the outcome of the election. Far-right and far-left networks have used violence against each other at protests, raising the possibility of escalating violence during the election period.
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President Trump Files $15 Billion Defamation and Libel Lawsuit Against The New York Times

Like those Trump has previously sued the NY Times can afford to settle. But it is important, it does cost them and it puts them on notice about continuing to print libelous information.

Actually, it doesn't sound like they can afford the amount he's going for.

Per CNN Business:
The lawsuit demands $15 billion in damages, which exceeds the entire market cap of The New York Times Company

So if there was some sort of pre-court settlement offer, it'd have to be significantly less than what he's asking for.

Defamation civil suits typically involve having to clear a pretty high bar.


If he's looking to affect change with regards to how media outlets run, a better use of time and resources would be to reinstitute this:

That would force all media outlets to devote a portion of time to controversial matters, as well as to dedicate some airtime to contrasting views.


Although, that would mean that some of the "Trump-friendly" media would have to extend the same courtesy to their opponents as well.
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Novel highlights power of art and music as a salve to troubled humanity

Michigan-based novelist Angela Shupe’s debut work, “In the Light of the Sun,” can be seen as a testament to the power of art and music to lighten even the most extreme anguish and hardship.

Scheduled for release in October 2025, the book tells the story of two sisters who despite being worlds apart, use their musical gifts to overcome.

The story unfolds in a rural village of Floridablanco in the Pampanga province of the Philippines, and in Florence, Italy. The book highlights the struggles of Italian-Filipino “mestisas” (half-bloods) living in Italy during the Mussolini era.

In counterpoint, the novel outlines a middle-class Filipino family’s struggle to survive in the wake of Imperial Japan’s military occupation of the nation between 1941-1945.

Older sister Rosa Grassi has moved to Florence to be with her beloved grandmother Nonna, and to undergo voice training in preparation for a career in opera. Nonna is a former world-class soprano who has chosen to remain in Italy in retirement.

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Air Force reservist punished for saying 'men can't birth babies' can proceed with lawsuit: judge

Um ... so have they found a way to have males give birth?

Sounds painful.
Of course they are speaking of trans men. Women that have the bodies designed to give birth. We can’t let the truth and reality mar people’s delusions.
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In This Police Youth Program [Police Explorers] a Trail of Sexual Abuse Across the U.S.

In police youth program, abuse often starts when officers are alone with teens in cars

A quarter of sexual misconduct allegations in law enforcement Explorers programs involve officers grooming or abusing young people during ride-alongs.

In May, prosecutors in Seattle charged a sheriff’s deputy with raping a 17-year-old girl. The deputy met the teenager while he was an adviser in his department’s youth mentorship program known as Explorers.

Law enforcement departments across the country have Explorer programs — overseen by Scouting America, formerly known as Boy Scouts of America — and they have a history of sexual abuse and misconduct, as The Marshall Project reported last year. [OP] Ride-alongs, in which young people accompany officers on their patrol shifts, are a key perk of the Explorers program.

They are also a gateway to abuse.

[Starting in June] The new rules state that two adults must be present in all youth activities, including Explorer ride-alongs. The new guidelines also state that if an underage female Explorer goes on a ride-along, at least one of the officers accompanying her must be a woman.

“Oftentimes, what perpetrators rely on — whether it’s a church, Boy Scouts, a coach — is the appearance of authority because it makes them seem more trustworthy, but it also makes the victim feel as though they don’t have much of a choice. And just like a uniform, the police vehicle itself provides that air of authority,” said Nate Baber, an attorney representing a former Explorer who was allegedly abused by an officer in Connecticut.

Dumas said these recent cases show how much Scouting America is not willing to enforce its own policies or be transparent about the dangers of its program.

“The most important message is that teenagers themselves have to understand the risk and how to protect themselves,” she said, “because I don’t think the program is going to protect them.”
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Armenian patriarch invites Pope Leo XIV to visit Armenia

The head of the Armenian Apostolic Church during a meeting Tuesday at the papal residence in Castel Gandolfo invited Pope Leo XIV to visit Armenia.

Catholicos Karekin II, the patriarch of the Armenian Apostolic Church, met Pope Leo for the first time at Villa Barberini, the papal summer residence overlooking Lake Albano. Leo has recently begun spending Tuesdays, the pope’s traditional day off, in Castel Gandolfo while the Apostolic Palace in Vatican City undergoes renovations.

The two discussed the need for a peace based on justice, according to Archbishop Khajag Barsamian, the Armenian Church’s representative to the Holy See, in comments to the Armenian-language edition of Vatican Media.

The invitation would mark a continuation of ecumenical dialogue and papal outreach to Armenia, the first state to adopt Christianity as its state religion in A.D. 301. Karekin II has previously traveled to the Vatican for meetings with John Paul II, Benedict XVI, and Francis.

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British royal family set to have first Catholic funeral in centuries

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‘This is not the way’: Lecrae condemns violence following Charlie Kirk’s killing

Grammy-winning Christian hip-hop artist Lecrae responded to the assassination of Christian conservative activist Charlie Kirk, urging his followers to reject violence and instead embrace the teachings of Jesus.

"People are knocking on my DMs asking me to have some commentary about what's going on in America right now," Lecrae said in a social media post. "I'm in Africa, by the way, and here's my thing: I'm slow to speak because I'm trying to process, and part two is, there are people much smarter than me, much more articulate. I'm not that narcissistic to feel like I have to have the leading voice on everything that's going on in America.

The 45-year-old rapper, who in the past has been criticized by Kirk, said he was choosing to reflect privately with loved ones rather than immediately weigh in on the tragedy, but said he refuses to believe violence offers any meaningful solution.

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