essentialsaltes said:

For me, it's not a they, it's a me. Why are you afraid of me?

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I thought you said "Fortunately, the secular majority will keep things safe for everyone". Thats not a 'me' but a 'they'. The secular majority is a group and majority over the rest.

I am saying whatever it is that the secular majority determines as good and will keep us safe is not a good proposition. I would not trust them whatever the idea or basis is for how they decide to order society and reality for that matter.

essentialsaltes said:

In this case, the majority of secularists wants a continuation of the status quo under the First Amendment. It's Landon Caeli who wants to rewrite the Constitution.

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Hum I don't know your consitution well enough to say so. But certainly some principles included are worth keeping. Like the freedoms we enjoy such as the right to religious belief. I would not like to live in a nation that denied a persons belief. Or speech or political view.

But at the same time there is something not right with the current philosophical foundation. This by the fact that it is producing a divided society. Is this the natural progression of such ideas that a nation can be both united in belief and at the same time invite contrary beliefs and ideologies. That only forsters division and hate.

A nation divided falls. If it falls is it the fault of the very foundation it sat upon. Or a lack of upholding such truths. Maybe a bit of both. Many say democracy does not work anymore.

rjs330 said:

Its built upon accurate observations. Its not that hard for Pete's sake. We've been doing it since the beginning of time. Even the most primitive of societies get it right.

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They all go by external genitalia when doing sex determinations. And they go by gender expression when deciding on pronouns.

DaisyDay said:

Not that I think it will make an actual difference to you, but it is not referring to skin color.

Whiteness refers to culture not biology: the centuries-old culture of Whiteness features colorblindness, passivity, and White fragility, which are all covert expressions of racism common in the United States. Naming the Whiteness Pandemic shifts our gaze from the victims and effects of racism onto the systems that perpetrate and perpetuate racism, starting with the family system. At birth, young children growing up in White families begin to be socialized into the culture of Whiteness, making the family system one of the most powerful systems involved in systemic racism.​

This is deliberately provocative to stimulate conversation about racism.

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What a bunch of absolute nonsense

Robban said:

Havayah, in short, based on the teachings of the Lubavitcher Rebbe Menachem M. Schneerson..

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I understand "Havayah" and agree its something along those lines. What we think is consciousness or the inner self that is something beyond the material world is really our divine nature and being made in Gods image. Rational beings able to know the divine and God.

But I am not familiar with "Lubavitcher Rebbe Menachem M. Schneerson". I had a quick read and it seems he was a prominent Rabbi who initiated welfare for Jews and trying to establish their heritage after the Holocaust.

If you mean the Jewish identity as it is represented to Christians then yes we see there is some sort of divine relation between God and the Jews.

Robban said:

The Torah portion of Vayeira begins with G-d revealing to Moshe His Ineffable Name Havayah.

G-d then goes on to tell Moshe that He did not make this name known to Avraham, Yitzchak, or Ya`akov.

Rashi comments that G-d was thereby implying that "He did not make Himself known to them with His unlimited attribute of truth."

This in short there is much more.

btw, I have copied this.

Edit, missed " Lubavtcher"

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Thankyou,

Fervent said:

One of the central disagreements in politics today seems to boil down to what we think the proper function of government is. Is it to preserve individual liberties? Or is it to ensure that every citizen has their basic needs met? Some other central function? My question is, what light does the Bible shed on this question? If we look at the structure of Israel in the OT, what can we learn about how God intends for governments to function and what their mandate is?

I have my thoughts, but I want to hear some other opinions before divulging them.

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Yes, there is.

throughfierytrial said:

No, God created you and all people before the creation of the world and he endows skills knowledge and wisdom. Refute Psalm 33:9 and Hebrews 11:3 and see my original post. Our differences are such that I feel we should end here. I pray the Lord will impart wisdom and that our discussion will prove to have been fruitful… if not now then maybe in the future.

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Again, no one is saying that God didn't create ex nihilo. The question is, is that the specific creation event that Genesis is describing? Hebrews is not a retelling of Genesis. It's a completely different book of the Bible written several hundred years later by a different author. So it's an assumption that because the idea is in Hebrews, that Genesis therefore is saying that specific idea.

And Psalm 33:9 says nothing of ex nihilo creation. It just says that God spoke and it was done, which we all agree on. Also when Psalm 33:9 states "it stood fast" that does not imply ex nihilo creation, rather it implies that God spoke and something that already existed stood fast.

As a matter of fact, just read the passage:

Psalms 33:6-9 NASB1995
[6] By the word of the Lord the heavens were made, And by the breath of His mouth all their host. [7] He gathers the waters of the sea together as a heap; He lays up the deeps in storehouses. [8] Let all the earth fear the Lord; Let all the inhabitants of the world stand in awe of Him. [9] For He spoke, and it was done; He commanded, and it stood fast.

The passage parallels Genesis, but as we can see, in creation of the heavens, the waters were separated and restrained just like in Genesis day 2, and the earth stood fast when He spoke.

The objects of creation are already present in these verses. And you can search the entire old testament high and low, this is how it is always described, as including pre existing material.

Shemjaza said:

I notice no one is telling us to trust Martha Stewart as a source on fact ...

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So no one takes her cookbooks literally?

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Always in His Presence said:

A little Biblical history and perspective first.

First and foremost is Jesus Christ -

Heb 3:1Therefore, holy brethren, partakers of the heavenly calling, consider the Apostle and High Priest of our confession, Christ Jesus,​

There is the Original 12:

• Simon (Peter)
• Andrew (his brother)
• James (son of Zebedee)
• John (his brother)
• Philip
• Bartholomew (Nathanael)
• Thomas (Didymus)
• Matthew (the tax collector/Levi)
• James (son of Alphaeus)
• Thaddaeus (Judas son of James, also called Jude or Lebbaeus)
• Simon (the Zealot/Cananite)
• Judas Iscariot (the betrayer, later replaced)

Judas was replaced by Matthias - After Judas Iscariot's death, Matthias was chosen by lot to replace him and is explicitly numbered "with the eleven apostles" (Acts 1:26). He is therefore referred to as an apostle. They held a unique position (role) in the Gospels -

Rev 21:14 Now the wall of the city had twelve foundations, and on them were the names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb.

The Reader will notice that the writers of their Gospels - Luke and Mark were not part of the 12. - yet many refer to them as Apostles

Luke 9:1 Then He called His twelve disciples together and gave them power and authority over all demons, and to cure diseases. 2 He sent them to preach the kingdom of God and to heal the sick. 3 And He said to them, “Take nothing for the journey, neither staffs nor bag nor bread nor money; and do not have two tunics apiece. 4 “Whatever house you enter, stay there, and from there depart. 5 And whoever will not receive you, when you go out of that city, shake off the very dust from your feet as a testimony against them.”​

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The reader will note that the 12 were called disciples when they were with Christ and Apostles when they were sent out -​

Keep reading:

Luke 9:10 And the apostles, when they had returned, told Him all that they had done.​

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Same 12 people - their titles changed from disciple to apostle because they were sent out on a specific journey.

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Luke 10:10 After these things the Lord appointed seventy others also, and sent them two by two before His face into every city and place where He Himself was about to go. 2 Then He said to them, “The harvest truly is great, but the laborers are few; therefore pray the Lord of the harvest to send out laborers into His harvest. 3 Go your way; behold, I send you out as lambs among wolves. 4 Carry neither money bag, knapsack, nor sandals; and greet no one along the road. 5 But whatever house you enter, first say, ‘Peace to this house.’ 6 And if a son of peace is there, your peace will rest on it; if not, it will return to you. 7 And remain in the same house, eating and drinking such things as they give, for the laborer is worthy of his wages. Do not go from house to house. 8 Whatever city you enter, and they receive you, eat such things as are set before you. 9 And heal the sick there, and say to them, ‘The kingdom of God has come near to you.’ ​

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Luke 10:17 Then the seventy returned with joy, saying, “Lord, even the demons are subject to us in Your name.”​

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EXACTLY the same direction from the Lord - EXACTLY the same authority and results.

Apostle - transliterated - apostolos - a delegate; specially, an ambassador of the Gospel; officially a commissioner of Christ ("apostle") (with miraculous powers):—apostle, messenger, he that is sent.​

Then there is Paul - an Apostle to the Gentiles

Barnabus - Acts 14:4 But when the apostles Barnabas and Paul heard this, they tore their clothes and ran in among the multitude, crying out

James - Gal 1:19 19 But I saw none of the other apostles except James, the Lord’s brother.

None will ever be to the level of the 12 -

But there are numbers called by God and sent who bear the Title Apostle who preached the Gospel, cast out demons and healed the sick.

When I think of modern times, I think of Dr. Billy Graham, who preached the Gospel to over 1 billion people - ministered to Kings and President, who's ministry saw tens of millions come to Christ for Salvation.

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No. But there sure are a lot of folks today who think they'd like to be one.

Don’t we spend enough time accusing the church. It’s rapping up to the end times it’s not going to get better. Everybody’s drawn their lines. I am just waiting for the rapture and being as faithful as I can be. God can save a few and give them new life, but there’s a whole slew of the faithful still running around and doing Gods work and some will be taken in the rapture. Comfort one another with these words.

ladodgers6 said:

I once again beg to differ. But anyways good day to you.

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At best a discussion in a forum lke this is going to end up trading verses, not getting into the historical and literary contexts that are necessary to properly understand a document that is 2000 years old at the youngest. Especially when we get into texts that have been proof texted so often that the doctrinal gloss of a particular theological movement that didn't crop up until the 16th century has replaced the contextual understanding.

Always in His Presence said:

not related by marriage - not related by blood - not related. Which baby momma's and baby daddy's aren't.

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I'll give you a dollar to learn how to use apostrophes.

Hentenza said:

That did not answered my question. You cited a verse regarding Abraham following God’s commandments, statutes, and laws but can’t tell me what commandments or what statutes, or what laws. The Bible is clear that the 10 commandments along with the mosaic law was not given until 430 years later during Moses.

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There was a Law "ADDED" that Abraham wasn't under because it wasn't added until 430 years after Abraham, and was ADDED "Because" of Transgression of God's Laws. And this Law was to be in place, "Till the Seed should come" to whom "the promise" was made;

Well that couldn't be the 10 Commandments, or God's Judgment concerning what is food and what isn't. Because Noah and Abraham and Noah's sons all knew of Adultery, murder, covetousness, clean and unclean foods and looking on the nakedness of their father. And therefore these Laws were not added "because of transgressions", 430 years after Abraham.

But there was a "Priesthood" Law/Covenant made with the sons of Levi, AKA "Levites". And it was ADDED, as ALL Priesthoods, "because of transgression of God's Laws", for the purpose of providing atonement of those sins. Levi wasn't even born until centuries after Abraham was dead and buried. So we know it was not possible for Abraham to be under this Priesthood Law, to provide atonement for Abraham's Sins.

And we know this Priesthood, "After the Order of Aaron" (Levites) was only temporary because there is a Prophesy of a different Priest that God was to put in place, "After the Order of Melchizedek" and not "after the Order of Aaron" (Levitical Priesthood). Hebrews 7:11-15 spells this out perfectly.

This Prophesied Priest, who I believe to be Jesus, would be the "SEED" to whom "the promise" was made;.

1 Kings 9: 4 And if thou wilt walk before me, as David thy father walked, in integrity of heart, and in uprightness, to do according to all that I have commanded thee, and wilt keep my statutes and my judgments: 5 Then I will establish the throne of thy kingdom upon Israel for ever, as I promised to David thy father, saying, There shall not fail thee a man upon the throne of Israel.

Psalms 110: 3 Thy people shall be willing in the day of thy power, in the beauties of holiness from the womb of the morning: thou hast the dew of thy youth. 4 The LORD hath sworn, and will not repent, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchizedek.

So then the Law Abraham didn't have, was the Levitical Priesthood Law, as Levi wasn't even born in Abraham's Time. And like any Priesthood Law, it was ADDED to God's Laws, "Because of Transgression of God's Laws", to provide for the remission of sins.

This Priesthood LAW was temporary, as it was Added 430 years after Abraham, and was only to be in place, until God's High Priest "After the Order of Melchizedek", "to whom "the promise" was made;, should come. This is the "LAW" that was ADDED "because of their transgressions" that was to lead them to Christ for the remission of their sins.

Zacharias understood this and was Led to this Christ, before HE was even born.

Luke 1: 5 There was in the days of Herod, the king of Judaea, a certain priest named Zacharias, of the course of Abia: and his wife was of the daughters of Aaron, and her name was Elisabeth. 6 And they were both righteous before God, walking in all the commandments and ordinances of the Lord blameless.

67 And his father Zacharias was filled with the Holy Ghost, and prophesied, saying, 68 Blessed be the Lord God of Israel; for he hath visited and redeemed his people, 69 And hath "raised up" an horn of salvation for us "in the house" of his servant David; (Judah, not Levi) 70 As he spake by the mouth of his holy prophets, "which have been since the world began":

And a Just man called Simeon, was also led to Christ by this Temporary Priesthood Law.

Luke 2: 25 And, behold, there was a man in Jerusalem, whose name was Simeon; and the same man was just and devout, waiting for the consolation of Israel: and the Holy Ghost was upon him. 26 And it was revealed unto him by the Holy Ghost, that he should not see death, before he had seen the Lord's Christ. (To whom the Promise was made)

27 And he came by the Spirit into the temple: and when the parents brought in the child Jesus, to do for him after the custom of the law,

28 Then took he him up in his arms, and blessed God, and said, 29 Lord, now lettest thou thy servant depart in peace, according to thy word: 30 For mine eyes have seen thy salvation, 31 Which thou hast prepared before the face of all people; 32 A light to lighten the Gentiles, and the glory of thy people Israel. 33 And Joseph and his mother marvelled at those things which were spoken of him.

34 And Simeon blessed them, and said unto Mary his mother, Behold, this child is set for the fall and rising again of many in Israel; and for a sign which shall be spoken against; 35 (Yea, a sword shall pierce through thy own soul also,) that the thoughts of many hearts may be revealed.

There is an evil and insidious falsehood promoted by this world's religious system, "Who come in Christ's Name" and my Lord, the Jesus "of the Bible" warned not to be deceived by these many. They promote the falsehood "that the 10 commandments along with the mosaic law was not given until 430 years later during Moses".

This is a deceitful and untrue statement that many of my brothers have fallen for. God said of Abraham that the Nations of the world would be blessed by Abraham's "SEED" (Judah, Jesus, God's Priest after the Order of Melchizedek)) "Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws.

To preach that the 10 Commandments, the 2 Greatest Commandments and all that hang on them, God's Judgments concerning what is Holy, Clean and Righteous that God gave Abraham's children, was not the same God's Laws that God gave to Abraham himself, is foolishness. And the promoters of this philosophy of man have no Scriptural Evidence to support this claim.

My hope is that you do the study yourself as I did, and you too will come to understand that the Law Added to God's LAWS, "Because" of Transgression of God's Laws, to provide for remission of sins, was the temporary Levitical Priesthood, that was only to be in force, until God's High Priest "After the Order of Melchizedek", "to whom "the promise" was made;, should come. And this temporary Priesthood was to lead the Faithful to the Lord's Christ, for remission of sins, as it did David, Caleb, Shadrack, Zacharias, Simeon, Anna, the Wise men, and all the Faithful examples in the Law and Prophets.

Hentenza said:

So I ask again, what commandments, what statutes, and what law did Abraham follow?

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Read what it says, and believe it. And understand that Levi wasn't even born until Centuries after Abraham. Therefore, it was the Levitical Priesthood that was ADDED 430 years after Abraham, "Because of Transgression" of God's Laws, Statutes and Commandments "of God" that Abraham obeyed. And this Priesthood was only to be in place, "Till the Seed should come" TO WHOM THE PROMISES WERE MADE".

Zootopia+

It amazes me what Christians will fight about. Skillet's song is pretty tame, relatively speaking, when it comes to Christian Metal artists making Christmas music.

If you wanted to flip out about something, I think this song would be a lot more appropriate to get upset about (even though I personally still love this kind of thing)...

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essentialsaltes said:

Energy secretary suggests nationalizing private power generators to lower electricity prices, add capacity.

Trump’s Energy Secretary Wants Walmart Backup Generators Powering U.S. Grid​

Chris Wright acknowledged prices are still rising

Chris Wright: “We will take backup generators already at data centers or behind the back of a Walmart and bring those on when we need extra electricity production.”

He suggested those private-sector generators, typically installed for emergency use, could be tapped when the grid requires supplemental electricity. Wright did not outline how such a program would work or whether companies have agreed to participate.

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What you conclude is NOT in any way what the article says.
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The articles suggests that there could be a program whereby privately held power capacity which is off-grid could be used by to help power the grid in time of need. It noted that it didn't know which companies are interested.

There are programs in almost every state where private assets are allowed to be used to send power into the grid in times of need. Some involve water heaters, hone generation, electric car parked at municipal parking lots and many, many others. And yes, lots of baclkup generration can generate electricity to be provided to the gtid.
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BTW, this idea was noted as innovative and not at all a suggestion for action. I would note that NH took the opposite approach toward backup generation. They are fine with industrial generation and would allow it to be free from most generation provided that it is NOT connected to the grid. This generation would need to be on company property and the company would get no backup from the grid. This would greatly decrease the cost to other consumers.
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1) no mandatory program is suggested
2) even if the program were mandatory, the program would likely provide that any EXCESS be provided to the grid amd that the grid would have the right to turn the on the generation if it was not in use.


BTW, I worked in electric utility companies for over 25 years. This is a fine idea and should be explored.

Don't you know? Absolute guilt and horrific crimes are prerequisites for anyone seeking a Trump pardon. (A million or two dollars doesn't hurt, according to verified news sources early in his presidency.)

Hentenza said:

My comment was not strange but only the logical conclusion to your argument. Perhaps you didn’t realize that. If faith is necessary for salvation then those that reject faith cannot attain salvation. This is a common teaching throughout scripture.

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That's absolutely correct.

"Ye must be born again."

We can't be born again without faith, and everyone has to be born again if they are going to be adopted into the family of GOD by the blood of Jesus.

Tom D said:

The lotus flower grows from the mud but is not contaminated by its environment.

The lotus begins its life in muddy water at the bottom of ponds, but its stem pushes upward until the flower blooms above the surface. Despite the murky environment, its petals stay clean.

There's nothing wrong with loving the lotus flower, don't you think it is a symbol of certain holy person ??

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Jesus? How so?

No Christmas without Christ. We anticipate his birth and Prepare for His Coming with Advent. We Celebrate His Birth at Christmas We Observe his Fulfillment of the Prophets at Epiphany

It is a season of Joy, of Love, Of Peace and of Celebration In all that we do, the Focus is Always on His Birth , EnJOY
Amen

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While I previously posted thoughts on boat killings and how the law and bible applies to them, This act of killing alleged drug smugglers after the boat was disabled is taking things another step further. It brings into question too, what lengths Trump might go to in possible ground operations.
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boughtwithaprice said:

I do not consider it arguing because we both believe the Sabbath was instituted by God, and I do not argue profaning it. You say it is my words and not scripture but Paul says the same that I am saying in Romans 14

4- Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? To his own lord he standeth or falleth. And he shall stand: for God is able to make him stand 5 For one judgeth between day and day: and another judgeth every day: let every man abound in his own sense.
6 He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord. And he that eateth, eateth to the Lord: for he giveth thanks to God. And he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth thanks to God. 7 For none of us liveth to himself; and no man dieth to himself. 8 For whether we live, we live unto the Lord; or whether we die, we die unto the Lord. Therefore, whether we live, or whether we die, we are the Lord's. 9 For to this end Christ died and rose again; that he might be Lord both of the dead and of the living. 10 But thou, why judgest thou thy brother? or thou, why dost thou despise thy brother? For we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ.
Keeping everyday alike does not nullify the Sabbath, it amplifies it. We are to deny ourselves always and mortify the deeds of our flesh. In doing so, we never profane the Sabbath.

This Sabbath only teaching is obviously a distraction in the body of Christ

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Thanks for providing Scriptures, this is a popular argument against obeying one of God's commandments, but I do not believe it was what Paul was referring to. We are told that when God blesses something, like He did with the Sabbath, only He can reverse Num23:20, so we would need a thus saith the Lord. Especially when it comes to Paul who has a warning in Scripture that people twist his writings to their own destruction, so to indicate that we should believe that Paul just undid everything God said in all of Scripture starting from Creation on the Sabbath, that Jesus said plainly, not a jot or tittle shall pass from His law, not to break or teach others to break the least of these commandments Mat5:18-19 but Paul is going to go against God and undo everything God said- God's own written Testimony that is under God's mercy seat. I see why we this was in our Bibles 2Peter3:16

Can you point to this passage where it says the Sabbath in Romans14? Can you point in this passage where what man esteems is more valuable than what God esteems in His own written and spoken Testimony. This is not an argument about if one should keep or not keep one of God's commandments its a discussion over what man esteems- like today some esteem Christmas as a religious holiday, while others do not, it was never about if we should disregard or keep a commandment of God or change what God wrote plainly. Not even your own church interprets this Scripture this way, they clearly say they changed the Sabbath not based on Scripture but their own authority over the word of God.

boughtwithaprice said:

Scripture also says in Matthew 7

16 By their fruits you shall know them. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles? 17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit, and the evil tree bringeth forth evil fruit. 18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can an evil tree bring forth good fruit. 19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit, shall be cut down, and shall be cast into the fire. 20 Wherefore by their fruits you shall know them.



What is the fruit of Sabbath only teaching? To some it is a way to honor God.

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If we want to go by what the God of the Bible said in His own words, if that counts Isa58:13

boughtwithaprice said:

To others it is a cause of arrogance and ridicule causing some souls to view themselves superior which is against scripture which says consider all others as better than yourself

I do not say you do that, but there have been many SDA in my experience that do that and they are not rebuked. Does SDA not wish to instill humility in their adherents?

The error that SDA teaching on Romans 14 makes is that they claim others use it to justify profaning the Sabbath. It may be true for some but it does not reflect Church teaching and is therefore a misleading argument

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This is all an opinion and seems like the real distraction to move away from what God commanded and try to justify why doing so, to make it seem Biblical when no Scripture supports it. Sorry you see it that way, but my view is our time on this earth is drawing to a near and God is calling us out of the false teachings Rev18:4 that have been handed down to us before its too late Rev 22:11. I have never seen anyone use keeping the Sabbath as a way to make one feel better than someone else, if they do, we all have to answer to God, but even if someone was, it still doesn't change what God wrote and God spoke so plainly Exo20:8-11. What other people do or don't do has no bearing on our own salvation. He all have to stand before God based on what we do. Ecc12:13-14 2Cor5:10

boughtwithaprice said:

I pray to God you seek the truth and not presume you already have it.

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Same to you my friend.

boughtwithaprice said:

This conversation with you has opened my eyes to further truth. Sunday does not nullify nor replace the Sabbath but celebrates its continuation We have ceased from our labors by denying ourselves

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Nothing we can find in our Bibles, God made all other days for work and labors Exo20:9 God only blessed and sanctified one day, the seventh day is the Sabbath Exo20:8-11 Gen2:1-3 , the Holy Day of the Lord thy God thus saith the Lord Isa58:13 God never said this about any other day. Sunday over Sabbath is a man-made tradition over obeying one of God's personally written and spoken commandments that comes with His power of blessings and sanctification.

There's a difference between believing there may be some scribal errors, or even that accuracy was not always the main objective, but that the actual meaning and message still gets through - and discounting passages that might disagree with your idea of morality (especially "modern" morality). But does it matter, for example, if Job actually existed, or was just a parable? Don't we get the same meaning out of it either way?

All that said, I would not feel comfortable saying that ANY scripture is in error.