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The christian baptism
- By peter2
- The Junk Drawer
- 0 Replies
Hello everyone
John told the difference between his own baptism, in water, and this of Jesus in spirit and fire
I make the hypothesis part of Jesus's consists in admitting the powerful Messiah could be defeated, and his life depend on men's good will.
According to this hypothesis, the first Jesus baptized would have been John the Baptist, when the latter, after opposition, finally consents to baptize Jesus. Then, the Holy spirit appears, a voice is heard, from God, and John is made able to bear testimony to Jesus.
Indeed,
JB thought and told it was him, JB, that was in need of the christian baptism, and not Jesus of his.
May be was JB in search of a Messiah that wouldn't be in need of him, JB
Because, actually, a Messiah in need of men wasn't fitted to be a Messiah, they thought.
Yes, may be, but
what do they think of a Messiah that'd let men think He is, or He's got the solution of their problems ?
However unbearable might be the question, i wonder yet whether such a Messiah wouldn't mean conforting men into demobilizing themselves ?
It's a deed JB will not follow Jesus, nor will the latter let JB follow him : After Jesus' baptism, JB still looks mobilized with his baptizings in water. Nothing new for him : An ordinary man, diminishing as he himself foretold ; Still no miracle happens through him ; as first baptized and convert (according to my hypothesis), the so called greater of prophets by Jesus will end up preceeding Jesus in death, beheaded, escaping to fall in oblivion in Herod 's prison thanks to Jesus' resurrection. The latter king whose name is only famous thanks to him, John..
Similarly to JB's unwillingness, they could analyse Simon's reproaches to Jesus as Jesus announces his death on the cross, and go on with this analyse up to the coming of the Holy Spirit in the Acts, that looks a bit like the coming of the Holy Spirit at Jesus baptism.
Finally, to conclude
the valuable questions of this thread are :
Is admitting one's oblivion by the world the mark they are true christians (see the anonymous diminishing of JB, from his not following Jesus up to Herod's prison ; see also the pagan share of Jesus' last stuff (his clothes), through their gambling, anonymous as well) ?
Might it be as well, the mark of a frustration of the world ? (chatgpt's answer admitted
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John told the difference between his own baptism, in water, and this of Jesus in spirit and fire
I make the hypothesis part of Jesus's consists in admitting the powerful Messiah could be defeated, and his life depend on men's good will.
According to this hypothesis, the first Jesus baptized would have been John the Baptist, when the latter, after opposition, finally consents to baptize Jesus. Then, the Holy spirit appears, a voice is heard, from God, and John is made able to bear testimony to Jesus.
Indeed,
JB thought and told it was him, JB, that was in need of the christian baptism, and not Jesus of his.
May be was JB in search of a Messiah that wouldn't be in need of him, JB
Because, actually, a Messiah in need of men wasn't fitted to be a Messiah, they thought.
Yes, may be, but
what do they think of a Messiah that'd let men think He is, or He's got the solution of their problems ?
However unbearable might be the question, i wonder yet whether such a Messiah wouldn't mean conforting men into demobilizing themselves ?
It's a deed JB will not follow Jesus, nor will the latter let JB follow him : After Jesus' baptism, JB still looks mobilized with his baptizings in water. Nothing new for him : An ordinary man, diminishing as he himself foretold ; Still no miracle happens through him ; as first baptized and convert (according to my hypothesis), the so called greater of prophets by Jesus will end up preceeding Jesus in death, beheaded, escaping to fall in oblivion in Herod 's prison thanks to Jesus' resurrection. The latter king whose name is only famous thanks to him, John..
Similarly to JB's unwillingness, they could analyse Simon's reproaches to Jesus as Jesus announces his death on the cross, and go on with this analyse up to the coming of the Holy Spirit in the Acts, that looks a bit like the coming of the Holy Spirit at Jesus baptism.
Finally, to conclude
the valuable questions of this thread are :
Is admitting one's oblivion by the world the mark they are true christians (see the anonymous diminishing of JB, from his not following Jesus up to Herod's prison ; see also the pagan share of Jesus' last stuff (his clothes), through their gambling, anonymous as well) ?
Might it be as well, the mark of a frustration of the world ? (chatgpt's answer admitted
)What’s on your mind?
- By .Mikha'el.
- MILLENNIALS (1981 to 1998)
- 222 Replies
That shooting in Australia hurts my heart.
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Why we are not supposed to keep the Sabbath
- By jonojim1337
- Sabbath and The Law
- 1081 Replies
Historical context. The mosaic law was given 430 years after Abraham.
“Now the promises were spoken to Abraham and to his seed. He does not say, “And to seeds,” as one would in referring to many, but rather as in referring to one, “And to your seed,” that is, Christ. What I am saying is this: the Law, which came 430 years later, does not invalidate a covenant previously ratified by God, so as to nullify the promise.”
Galatians 3:16-17 NASB2020
Galatians 3:16-17 (NASB2020) - Now the promises were spoken to Abr | YouVersion
Now the promises were spoken to Abraham and to his seed. He does not say, “And to seeds,” as one would in referring to many, but rather as in referring to one, “And to your seed,” that is, Christ. Whabible.com
This is just poor translation. It is talking about the covenant of the promise (better translations include “in Christ”) and not the covenant of circumcision/blood oath through animals.
Hebrews 8:13
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combined charts
- By Douggg
- Eschatology - Endtimes & Prophecy Forum
- 1 Replies
I expanded the chart to include the two witnesses activities down at the bottom. If you study this chart, you will have great overview of what is going to take place during the 7 year 70th week of Daniel 9:27.
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