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Obama care collapsing.....

The fact that you're trying to "explain" how 500 is lower than 100 is absolutely indicative of "spin" on your part.

If you read my post as claiming that, then it would seem that the other guy wasn’t the only one struggling to comprehend what I understood to be something pretty basic.
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Tucker Carlson, Nick Fuentes and demonic attack: Does he deserve the backlash?

Nick Fuentes refers to people with terms like "Jit". He has said that his disgusting sycophants should not support Vance because Vance has insufficient commitment to white identity. ANYONE who gives a platform to Fuentes deserves every bit as much scorn as does Fuentes. Would you give a large speaking engagement to Adolph Hitler then whine when people dislike you for so doing? I'm sure that there are Americans who would.
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Disneyland 'MAGA Invasion' Organizers Reveal Plans to 'Trigger' Guests and ‘Make Disney Great Again’

Looks like it's already working.
Yup, I am sure the organization that is planning this is going to make money on the shirts they want everyone to wear.

This is a fleecing of the flock.
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No person can come to Christ by their own freewill !

All men that are drawn actually and it's by Christ Will not theirs!
You've swallowed every drop of the causal determinism koolaid. You wish to apply it to the gospel of grace.

'He is the atoning sacrifice for our sins, and not only for ours but also for the sins of the whole world.'

”The truth is to simple for us, we do not like those who unmask our illusions.'

It may make you feel special, and you are, as much as every person on earth.
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Democratic socialist Zohran Mamdani wins New York City mayoral race

There are no socialists running for office in the USA. Socialism is the control of the means of production and commerce by the state, allegedly acting as a proxy for "the people". Socialism is not the presence of tax-funded programs or utilities. Indeed it has been argued quite effectively that such programs, as are seen in the Scandinavian countries, are fundamentally anti-socialist, because they create a more content workforce that is less likely to dispossess the capitalists. These programs are called "welfare capitalism" by those who actually understand socialism. Socialism requires prohibiting the private ownership of the means of production and commerce. A Prime Minister of Denmark felt it necessary to correct ignorant Americans, like Bernie Sanders, who insisted that countries like Denmark are socialist. Denmark’s prime minister says Bernie Sanders is wrong to call his country socialist

Before one starts a pearl clutching festival about "socialism", learn what socialism is and is not. There are no socialists in the USA who are currently in office.
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Creation of Man patterned after God - the GodHead

What causes issue is the whole Roman Catholic church/government introduction to the Trinity, to the populace, as a way to appease harmony between Christians and Romans who were polytheist.

Also, the fact that the Trinity is never explicitly mentioned in the bible. The verses that are provided as 'evidence', to me, are not evidence.

So, if both of these points are true (I can't verify any sources re: Roman intro to Trinity etc off the top of my head - it's just something I've come across), then it explains why it's hard for me to comprehend despite many attempts at others explaining!

Thanks for prayer! It is appreciated and needed!
True, trinity is not found in the Bible, and I don’t agree with the concept. It’s used because it’s the easiest way for some religions to explain God, Jesus, and Holy Spirit.

But, the way to see God’s true structure is to look at His creation.

If God created certain species, starting with only two in each creation, and from the original two, those species would multiply, then those species were created based on God’s structure in heaven.

It’s the attributes of each species that’s important, that makes them who they are.

For example:
There are three in Heaven Who have the attributes or qualities of God that makes them God - the Creator.

Then there are a multitude in heaven who have the attributes of angels that makes them angels - created beings.

Then there is the species of man on earth whose attributes identify them to be man -created beings.

And so on.

Each created species have their own attributes - however, are patterned after their creator Who Has His own attributes.

The attributes of God cannot be fully comprehended because our minds are unable to think past our beginning. We have a beginning but God does not.

Read 1 Corinthians 15:37-49 KJV, which provides a deeper understanding of God’s creation.

Yes, and do pray as you read. Also you might use a reference Bible to find related scriptures to strengthen your understanding.

God bless!
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Can not being in the correct denomination cause someone to not be saved?

Yet all the thief on the cross had to do, like all of us, was to put others ahead of self instead of following a path of selfishness like the other thief. He followed both of Jesus' commandments. But I guess that would cut down on the need for human church services and the like. We're the ones who like to complicate things, not God. We were given a simple task to show our fruits, while God would do the rest in overcoming adversity in both the human and spiritual worlds.
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It seemed so easy for the thief on the cross to be saved.

But there was real repentance, that is essential.
Yes he understood the power of putting others first. He admitted his guilt but said Jesus was innocent. He did all that was required in putting others ahead of self, effectively following the second commandment, unlike the other thief who was all about self and had no place in the Kingdom.
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Are the Jews Israel, or is the church Israel? Or does it depend on the context of the passage?

Doug has ducked around these questions and run from this discussion, as he cannot refute what the texts say.

I am asking his Dispie brethren: Can you answer these simple questions?

1. The Bible says we (the redeemed of all nations and ethnic groups) have been grafted into 'an Israeli tree' (Romans 9-11). Is that an ethnic or spiritual tree?
2. The Bible says we who were once aliens from the "citizenship of Israel" have now been brought in through the blood of Christ to that privileged place (Ephesians 2). Is that ethnic or spiritual Israel?
3. The Bible says that Jew and Gentile alike, have now been graciously merged together into "the Israel of God" (Galatians 6:15-16). Is that ethnic or spiritual Israel?
4. The Bible says we are 'Jews' and we are "the circumcision" today (Romans 2:25-29; Philippians 3:3 and Colossians 2:11). Is that ethnic or spiritual Jews?
5. The Bible says we are "the children of Abraham" (Romans 4:11; 4:13-15; 4:16-18; 9:6-8; Galatians 3:7-9; 3:12-14; 3:16 and 3:26-29) today. Are we the ethnic or spiritual "children of Abraham"?
6. The Bible says we now reside and abide in "Jerusalem" and "Mount Zion" (Matthew 21:42-46; John 3:3; Romans 9:33; 11:26; Ephesians 1:3; Ephesians 2:4-6; Philippians 3:20; Hebrews 12:22 and 1 Peter 2:5-10). Is that natural physical earthly "Jerusalem" and "Mount Zion" or is that spiritual heavenly "Jerusalem" and "Mount Zion"?
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Hell doesn't exist and there is no eternal suffering, instead bad peolle just cease to exist

Please identify who the "we" are that you speak of, it sounds like your not making any distinction between the children of God and the children of the Devil.
All are free to make the choice. Jesus didn't say my people over here and repent, the rest over there and never mind understanding the Gospel of the Kingdom that says God will overcome all adversity and take government away from both elohim and mankind. That's like saying voters don't have a choice in who they side with. But yes, God does not deal with closed minds. It is these who seek division, while God seeks to reunite. But yes, Jesus was thankful for those whom the father had given him.
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The Saving results of the Death of Christ !

I don’t think using grammar to support theology is wrong in itself. The issue is that his grammatical reading doesn’t seem objective, which is the real problem.
It's a supplement, where it becomes an issue is when it is used as the centerpiece for an argument and treated as if exegesis is just a matter of doing the technical work.
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How Can Molecules Think?


It sounds impressive whenever scientists say that they've proved something, but one needs to be careful about misinterpreting what scientists mean by proved.

As far as this particular study goes, I'm with Sabine on giving it a 9 out of 10 on the BS meter, and I'd already filed it in my evidence database accordingly. But still, I'll give you an 'A' for effort.

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CNN Dem Panelist Shocks Jennings with Major Admission on Lawfare Against Trump

Its not just about Trump or any side.I don't want to get into who is the worst or which side does what.
I'm sorry, but you're the one who brought that up. If you can show what these cases/things are, sure, go ahead, they should be. But if you can't, then it'll just end up being an attempt to handwave one person's misdoings away by accusing others. It only works and is true, if that double standard actually applies. Otherwise those are just accurate accusations.
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North Dakota Supreme Court upholds law banning abortion in nearly all circumstances

The North Dakota Supreme Court has narrowly upheld a state law that bans abortions in nearly all circumstances, overturning a lower court ruling against it.

Last Friday, the state’s highest court released an opinion in the case of Access Independent Health Services, Inc., et al v. Drew H. Wrigley et al., which centered on whether a 2023 state law banning abortion is constitutional.

Although three of the five justices who heard the case found the ban unconstitutional, North Dakota requires a supermajority of the court to strike down a law on constitutional grounds.

State Supreme Court Justices Daniel Crothers and Lisa Fair McEvers found the ban unconstitutional, with Daniel Narum, a district court judge who sat in place of recused Justice Douglas Bahr, joining them.

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Do you keep the Sabbath? (poll)

We can't just call the 10 God's moral commandments. I recognize there is a moral underpinning in the 10 but that doesn't meant they are some root of God's moral law. that term may have theological signficance it however is not a biblical term so if we call it that we need to back that claim biblically instead of hinging on post-bibliclal terminologies.

First how do we define morality? We can't just make up a definition to fit a narrow view, so what does the word mean? Can we even agree on a definition because if we can't then this conversation can't go further. If we can agree on what is morality means and does it fit the 4th commandment (or other laws) Sure obedience is a type of morality but obedience can be used for circumcision or for the sacrafice so it doesn't not uniquely establish the 4th or for that matter the 10 as moral. We need a stronger moral foundation to establish if something is innately moral or not, but first what is a definition we can agree on?
Sorry I do not debate over mans opinions, its fruitless. If God is not our Authority to determine right and wrong, debating men over it is pointless.
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What are you listening to?

@2PhiloVoid Back in the day, I kind of ignored bands like Petra and Stryper, but listening to their interviews, I think they were genuine and sincere, and their music was good.

Back in the day, I honestly had to warm up to Petra but they grew on me. Stryper, on the other hand, zapped me the first time I heard them on a local Christian rock radio show because I thought, ".....who's that? They sound sort of like Motley Crue, but different...." And I was a Stryper fan from that point on.

I agree with you, despite whatever personal foibles they've had over the years, I think the guys in both of these bands are sincere in their faith.

Back in the day. Now, I'm just trying to enjoy what little will be left of these guys' creativity with the limited time they (or I) have. :cool:
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