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Tucker Carlson’s interview with far-right antisemite Nick Fuentes divides conservatives over support for Israel

And that's true... I know that first hand. I've mentioned on here before that my significant other is Indian. Her parents (and 75% of her family are not a fan lol), she rejected an "arranged" situation to be with me. That didn't go over well. Yet, nobody calls her parents and 2 of her 4 siblings "racists", it gets labelled as some sort of "wanting to uphold a cultural tradition"... if the roles were reversed, and my mom treated her as a social pariah because "I wanted my baby boy to be with this nice white girl that we liked more and got along well with their parents", my mom would get labelled as "racist"

I am Indian. If they do not approve of you because of your race, then they are racist.
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Anyone up for a chat thread?

They were there before whichever cleric is foisted on them, and they will (usually) be there afterwards.
That used to be true. There's a significant segment of the American church going population that gets a new church about as often as new shoes.
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the "blue wave" last night and the government shutdown

How does that compare to the US, if we count the average that a citizen there also pays for healthcare and other things provided by the tax funds for Europe? Also, the figure seems high. IIRC, only 6 countries in Europe on average fall into that category.
My wife is from Europe, and whenever I speak with my in-laws there, they express satisfaction with higher taxes because they receive government-funded healthcare, education, childcare, and even free public transportation in some cities.

Democratic politicians who support universal health care often do not fully inform the public about the associated costs of providing free health care, education, or child care. This may be because most Americans, regardless of political affiliation, are unwilling to accept higher taxes.

The European model may be seen as effective by some, but many Americans prefer not to pay higher taxes. Unless the majority of Americans change their perspective, universal healthcare policies are unlikely to move beyond theoretical discussions. A viable solution would need to gain support from both liberals and conservatives, Democrats and Republicans. Otherwise, the topic of universal healthcare may remain a subject of debate for decades without significant progress.

There is a reason why the Obama administration, when introducing the ACA, did not pursue universal health care or a single-payer system as many liberals advocated. The administration recognized that there was insufficient political support for universal healthcare, so it adopted a model based on more conservative ideas from figures such as Mitt Romney and Newt Gingrich. Even with this approach, the legislation did not receive any votes from conservative lawmakers.

A prevailing challenge in contemporary American politics is the reluctance of both sides to compromise and the tendency to impose their agendas on one another. While approximately 40% of Americans may support universal healthcare, an equal proportion opposes it; neither group is likely to relent in their convictions. It is essential that we find ways to coexist and develop solutions that garner broad consensus. The answer may not be universal healthcare , nor can we simply maintain the status quo. Persistently advocating for only one perspective is unlikely to yield meaningful progress. Instead, seeking common ground to achieve legislation acceptable to all Americans offers a more constructive path forward.
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I Don't Trust Them...Do You?

"Lefty NYC mayoral candidate Zohran Mamdani gleefully campaigned this week with a notorious, gay-hating Brooklyn imam who is an unindicted co-conspirator in 1993 World Trade Center bombing and who has been linked to other terrorist activity in the United States — including urging “jihad” on the Big Apple."



No, I don't trust them. They have proven over and over that they are not a religion of peace.
Now that doesn't mean all in that religion agree with the evil side of it, so I'm not talking about them really.
It's the rest of them who do agree with the evil part of islam.
No, this doesn't make me or anyone else who agrees an "Islamophobe which is "an irrational fear of, hostility towards, or hatred of Islam and Muslims."
It makes me face the reality of who some of them can be, if and when an opportunity arises.
I have no fear of them at all. When I'm out and about if I am interacting with one of them, I treat them like anyone else.
I don't know if they are one of the reasonable muslims or one of the unreasonable ones.
I have no hostility toward them and I don't hate them.
They are welcome to their religion, but the evil part of it, I don't trust, which in turn makes me not trust them in general.

TRUMP "MISSED THE DEADLINE" TO CALL OFF TX GERRYMANDERING; CALIFORNIA WILL NOW DRAW NEW, MORE “BEAUTIFUL MAPS”

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There are not "cuts to Obamacare" in the continuing resolution.
If the cuts to Obamacare are NOT in the continueing resolution.....and you are saying that the budget is the EXACT Same as it was under Biden, where are teh savings from the cuts to Obamacare? I mean, there CERTAINLY have been cuts to Obamacare...where did they come from? Biden or the budget that was passed this summer?
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ICE officers to attend Super Bowl after Bad Bunny halftime headliner announcement, Lewandowski says

I just don't know where this wild idea came from that his live performances may run the risk of including anything of a sexual nature or anything demonic.

I mean sure, there's those music videos of him dressed in drag and chained to demons while wearing a BDSM collar... but not sure why people think being chained demons while wearing sex fetish gear would be demonic or sexual.


This reminds me of that one time when some lunatic tried to suggest that the band Sublime may have some marijuana themes in their music.
Time to dust off the ol’ Satanic Panic.
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Vatican stops use of titles for Mary

It means that the copy editor needed a short word that sort of applied for the topic at hand. Not always the proper word, but one of the correct length. One generally has to go to the source itself for the accurate sense and not rely on the choice of a copy editor who may or may not have a degree in theology.
I was asking in refence to the title of the thread - they mean the same thing.

Why are my Roman Catholic Brothers and Sisters so very defensive, that one cannot even ask a question or request clarification.

The pope agrees with a paper from the head of the Roman Catholic Dicastery for the Doctrine of the Faith which plainly states the Mary is NOT a co-redemtrix and the title should not be used.

It is quoted from a Catholic source with documentation.

Instead of just simply discussing the matter, ad hominin attacks - name calling - personal accusations are offered. It's just so strange a series of replies. I mean, the belief systems aren't being attacked, just talking about a current issue from the Roman Catholic church - to the Roman Catholic church and I'm asking my Roman Catholic Brothers and Sisters what they think.
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What is the meaning of Total Depravity?

Agreed, and the point is that the mere act of believing does not save one but the fact of what faith means, what it results in, is what saves us.
Saving faith means belief in and trust on the person and atoning work of Jesus Christ (Ro 3:25) for the remission of one's sin.

Faith results in remission of sin, forgiveness, justification, imputed righteousness of Christ, sanctification (through obedience in the Holy Spirit, Ro 6:16, 19), glorification. . .
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Pope Leo XIV discusses 2-state solution with Palestine’s President Mahmoud Abbas

Pope Leo XIV received President Mahmoud Abbas of Palestine for an audience in the Vatican’s Apostolic Palace on Thursday, almost a month after the truce agreement in the Gaza Strip came into effect.

According to the Holy See Press Office, during the meeting “it was recognized that there is an urgent need to provide assistance to the civilian population in Gaza and to end the conflict by pursuing a two-state solution.”

This is the first in-person meeting between Leo XIV and the 90-year-old Palestinian leader, who was also received at the Vatican by Pope Francis on Dec. 12, 2024, and on prior occasions.

Abbas spoke with Leo by phone on July 21. The conversation focused on the evolution of the conflict in the Gaza Strip and the violence in the West Bank.

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University of California campuses mandate gender ideology training to register for classes

Deliberately using a name someone dislikes is rude, new names are okay with me because names do not cross boundaries or harm children.
Agreed. I know trans people and call them by the name they choose because it’s respectful. Just my two cents.
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No person can come to Christ by their own freewill !

God made it clear, before and after Christ, that salvation required faith in Christ. In the OT it was faith in looking forward to the promised messiah, in the NT and today, it is faith in the resurrected Lord. That is what the wall of faith in Hebrews 11 is all about.
The OT messiah didn't necessarily mean faith in specifically Christ's death and resurrection. Jesus predicted three times to his disciples his death and resurrection and yet they didn't believe.

So the question is asked again: Trusting in Christ's death and resurrection is required by all for eternal life. Does this mean all persons who died before Christ's death and resurrection are thrown in the lake of fire?
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A beloved Iowa priest and immigrant advocate dies at 39

Father Guillermo Treviño Jr., a 39-year-old priest who advocated for the rights of immigrants in the Diocese of Davenport, Iowa, passed away suddenly on Oct. 31, just hours after returning from a trip to the Vatican.

His death from sepsis after a fatal stomach perforation was a complication of undiagnosed diabetes, according to his sister, Mariela Treviño-Luna, who had traveled with him to Italy.

Due to a shortage of priests in Iowa, Treviño served as a pastor of St. Joseph Church in Columbus Junction as well as St. Joseph Church in West Liberty, southeast of Iowa City.

Treviño’s national profile stemmed from his immigrant rights work as a founder, board president, and chaplain of Escucha Mi Voz Iowa, a group aiding Latino workers, including immigrants. Treviño had just returned from Rome, where he represented the group at Pope Leo XIV’s World Meeting of Popular Movements.

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Church tribunal acquits priest of charge of ‘inciting hatred’ against the Holy See

Father Francisco José Delgado, a priest of the Archdiocese of Toledo, Spain, and a member of the YouTube priests’ discussion group “The Sacristy of the Vendée,” has been declared innocent of the charge of “inciting hatred” against the Holy See, interfering in the investigation into the Sodality of Christian Life (SCV by its Latin acronym), and damaging the “good reputation” of layman José Enrique Escardó, one of the main promoters of proceedings against the SCV.

The Vendée is a region in France where priests refused to take the oath of loyalty to the revolutionary government hostile to the Catholic Church that had seized power in 1789. “The Sacristy of the Vendée” describes itself as “counterrevolutionary.”

The verdict, announced on X Nov. 5 by the Spanish priest, closes the canonical penal investigation, which began in June 2024.

Months earlier, the Archdiocese of Toledo had received two complaints against the priest. In the first, dated Jan. 30, 2024, he was accused of “damaging the good name and slandering Mr. Escardó Stecjk, the alleged victim” of the SCV.

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God's Olive tree awaits all nations to rejoin and meet his Son

Hi everyone, this post is intended for those who God is calling back.
The Son of God, the Son of Man (Psalm 80), Jesus Christ is God's Son and he is with us, seek him to find him. He is also known as the Son of Elias that resides in Heaven with God the Father, the Holy Spirit and his hosts of angels and Saints.
His word is found in the New Testament and he is the only bridge to God the Father that leads to eternal life to be saved from spiritual death at the end of time.
Through his precious Son's blood we are made to be fit alone through him for the forgiveness and remission of our sins. His Eucharist again joins us to his Body as members of Christ which he is the Head of that Body (Ephesians 1:22-23).

God the Father awaits to meet you to. God’s arms always extends to you. He wants us all to be grafted back onto his Olive tree which he loves with a passion (Romans 11) "Israel,

God the Father awaits to meet you to. God’s arms always extends to you. He wants us all to be grafted back onto his Olive tree which he loves with a passion (Romans 11) "Israel, and so all Israel shall be saved as it is written" those who are not joined yet who are not Christian he wants you and you need to be grafted in back onto the Olive tree to be saved." those who are not joined yet who are not Christian he wants you and you need to be grafted in back onto the Olive tree to be saved.

God has many faces as (Psalm 18) tell us, he has the capacity to show divine love and mercy to those who give him their love and who are obedient towards him as Jeremiah showed us (Jeremiah 31:31). God can be compassionate, but shrewd when he wants to be to the enemy He is GOD, the same GOD as always.

We are all the same before God as (Galatians 3:28) tells us and he wants us all to be grafted back onto his Olive tree from all nations including where he was most passionate and stood as their God of the Israelites-why not come back to the Olive tree...you are being gently called in the wind, his spirit will reach you. I know God will do what he said he will do he will come through and he will establish his people in the New Jerusalem which people of Christ will be invited to join him and where peace and love will abound with sweet Solomon songs.

The unbeliving Jews will be grafted back in when they meet and accept the Son of Man Yeshua, Jesus Christ who is our Saviour as God's Son and they will. The Holy Spirit and more signs of Christ will instigate leading them back and people will be being baptised in the street and which were empty will soon be filled and God’s spirit will be poured out on the earth as the Prophet Joel said (Joel 2:28) till the Perfect One comes again which is only Jesus Christ (Hebrews 12) who has the keys to Heaven and who is God's only Beloved Son (Matthew 3:17).
The Jews were God's chosen people.
The Christian Gentiles are now grafted into their Olive tree.
The Jews will be grafted back in, when they come back to God, which they will.
It is not "their" olive tree, it is God's olive tree, which is his people through faith in the promise (Ge 15:5-6, Seed, Jesus Christ, Gal 3:16).
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Ethiopia’s Catholic bishops condemn deadly attack on parish, call for government protection

Members of the Catholic Bishops’ Conference of Ethiopia (CBCE) have strongly condemned attacks in the Oromia region that claimed lives and destroyed property belonging to members of the Catholic community.

In a statement issued Nov. 4, CBCE members called on the government to take urgent measures to protect citizens from further violence.

“The Catholic Bishops’ Conference of Ethiopia expresses deep sorrow over the recent killings and destruction of property that occurred in October in the vicinity of St. Mary’s Catholic Church in West Harerghe, Oromia region,” the bishops said of the Oct. 25 and 27 attacks.

They added: “The attacks have resulted in the loss of lives and the destruction of property belonging to members of the Catholic community.”

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Why you can't debate unbelievers into the Kingdom of God

This is a good point. I think the Christian message or Good News has been lost in the culture war. There are many identifying groups in the culture war. So when Christians participate in that social realm of the culture war they become another group within that culture war.
That is often true. The church is made up of people from all social backgrounds, all ages, together as one, a new family in Christ. We had some what of a culture war in this country in the 90s, people were more or less expected to be middle class tories to be Christians and that this would bring revival. Instead the number of people attending churches fell off a cliff, as people were pushed into being something they could not be. Someone from a single parent family cannot be a middle class tory anymore than fly to the moon. It can be good for a church to speak out on clear Biblical distinctives, like speaking against abortion, or greed, but aligning to a political movement is to step into a morass.

The Kingdom of God is not of this world as Jesus himself said.

God Bless You :)
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Two from New Jersey charged with terrorism--Alina Habba video

2 New Jersey men arrested over alleged Michigan anti-LGBTQ+ Halloween terror plot


The New York City police and FBI-Newark have arrested two 19-year-olds from New Jersey in connection with a supposed Halloween terror plot in Michigan, law enforcement sources told ABC News.

Milo Sedarat of Montclair, New Jersey was allegedly in communication with those arrested in Michigan on Friday and others overseas. A second 19-year-old, Tomas Kaan Guzel, was also arrested.

There are few details released yet on Guzel's arrest.

According to the sources, an NYPD undercover investigator had been monitoring a suspect who was in communication with those arrested in Michigan and others overseas. The group allegedly talked about an attack on the LGBTQ+ community in Detroit and about traveling to Syria to train with ISIS.

Glad we finally found out what the Michigan terror plot was about.
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“Most Holy Theotokos, Save Us!” – on the New Vatican Document about Marian Titles

“Most Holy Theotokos, Save Us!” This is the common refrain of the Byzantine liturgy. Ὑπεραγία Θεοτόκε, σῶσον ἡμᾶς. This is the cry of any soul who knows that he is punished justly for his sins and he has no merits by which to plead with the Just Judge. He also knows that the demons are so much more powerful than him. Therefore he cries out to his mother to save him.

The thought that immediately came to mind when I read this was that when watching war films, men dying in battle frequently call out for their mothers. This apparently is a phenomenon with many dying people, not only soldiers.
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What is currently on your mind?

Learned a neat trick from a clever lady awhile ago. Was walking my dog, and this dog is coming towards us barking angrily. Its elderly lady owner intervened by yelling the dog's name, then yelled "chicken", "chicken". The dog stopped and started going back towards her. Teach your dog it gets some chicken when it hears the word, and it'll come to you. I know I would. :)
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