More deceiving then.


Acts 5:28 Saying, Did not we straitly command you that ye should not teach in this name? and, behold, ye have filled Jerusalem with your doctrine, and intend to bring this man's blood upon us.
29 Then Peter and the other apostles answered and said, We ought to obey God rather than men.

2 Corinthians 6:8 By honour and dishonour, by evil report and good report: as deceivers, and yet true;

1 John 5:18 We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not.
19 And we know that we are of God, and the whole world lieth in wickedness.
20 And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.
21 Little children, keep yourselves from idols. Amen.

rambot said:

As evidenced by what exactly in Israel? To call this war suggests that there is, infact, conflict. There's no conflict. Hamas can do virtually nothing. They hurt basically nobody. This is just a slaughter.


I would suggest that, while 20,000 seems like a terrifying number (and while I personally would rather not want ANY attacks), it could be argued that their impact has been nominal. For instance, I am VERY curious how many of those rocket attacks were actually ANY kind of successful.
By way of example, from 2005-2007 there were about 2700 attacks that led to 4 Isarel deaths.
Shall we compare how many Gazans died due to IDF actions during that time?

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Are you suggesting that, because 20,000 rockets were fired but there were only a few casualties, so Hamas is not that bad?

The number of casualties resulting from the rocket attacks is irrelevant; Point is Hamas has launched over 20,000 rockets toward Israel.

A nation that prioritizes the well-being of its citizens cannot tolerate such an attack, irrespective of the number of casualties.

As a Canadian citizen, would you find it acceptable if your southern neighbor were to launch 20,000 rockets at major Canadian cities, even if the resulting casualties were minimal?

Can I say a word to any fundamentalists and inerrantists that might be reading. Divine Inspiration is what is taught in the Bible. Its not a flat doctrine. Scripture isn't flat. I also believe revelation is progressive in Scripture. This doesn't entail process theology. Its from truth to more truth. More is revealed as we go through the Bible. But its the teaching that matters, not every phrase or sentence, for instance not everything Job's friends say is good counsel. Not everything the Psalmist says should be taken as an example to follow or pray, eg. in some of the imprecatory Psalms.

Belief in Inerrancy isn't necessary to become a christian, just belief in the Gospel. IMO its wrong to separate completely from other christians on the ground of whether or not they accept Biblical innerrancy, unless they otherwise are very astray. Don't end up a schismatic too.

An immigration judge has upheld a deportation order for Kilmar Abrego Garcia, the El Salvador native and alleged gang member who had illegally entered the United States years ago.

Regional Deputy Chief Immigration Judge Philip Taylor issued an order Wednesday rejecting a motion from Abrego Garcia's attorneys attempting to reopen his case.

While Abrego Garcia argued that he was eligible to apply for asylum because he was recently deported and brought back to the U.S. and has one year to apply upon reentry, Taylor ruled the motion "untimely" because it came around six years after his immigration proceedings began, reports ABC News.

The judge rejected claims that Abrego Garcia was going to be deported to a nation like Uganda instead of El Salvador, saying the evidence was "insufficient."

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It is just horrible, my prayers are with the victims families and with everyone affected in the UK.

RandyPNW said:

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"At hand" is not yet here. Jesus represented the Kingdom of God in temporal form when he exercised his earthly ministry. He made membership in the Kingdom of God possible following the Cross. He utilized the powers of the Kingdom as the future King over that coming Kingdom.

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I don't think Jesus drank anything on the cross because they gave him vinegar.

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Mark 14:25 I tell you the truth, I will not again drink from the fruit of the vine until that day when I drink it new in the kingdom of God.”

Jesus drank the fruit of the vine on the cross. The kingdom of God began with the ratification of Jesus' new covenant sacrificial death on the cross.

Luke 17:20-21 Having been asked by the Pharisees when the kingdom of God would come, he answered them, saying, “The kingdom of God
will not come with observation. 21 Nor will they say, ‘Look, here it is!’ or, ‘There it is!’ For behold, the kingdom of God is in the midst of you.”

Jesus' kingdom is a spiritual kingdom. We cannot see it with our bodily eyes.

Matthew 12:28
But if it is by the Spirit of God that I cast out demons, then the kingdom of God has come upon you.

Jesus drinks the fruit of the vine immediately before he dies. This vinegar that he drank was made from sour grapes, which are the fruit of the grapevine.


John 19:29-30 A bowl full of vinegar stood there; so they put a sponge full of the vinegar on hyssop and held it to his mouth. 30 When Jesus had received the vinegar, he said, “It is finished”; and he bowed his head and gave up his spirit.

Interview with Trump spokeswoman about how the economy is bad, which is Biden's fault, but also simultaneously great, which is Trump's doing. She says so many words without saying anything.

BERMAN: The private sector jobs from ADP -- not great. And if you at the jobs reports going back to the spring, not great either. Why are jobs lagging?
LORI CHAVEZ-DeREMER: Well certainly, what we inherited from the Biden administration
BERMAN: But why is it headed in the wrong direction?
LORI CHAVEZ-DeREMER: We have the strongest economy in the world

Valletta said:

Of course the lawsuit against the hospital doesn't say they want to violate religious liberty. Religious liberty is the obvious defense. In a similar case the government tried to force The Little Sisters of the Poor to be covered by health care which was against their religious beliefs. The government argued that if they only served Catholics then they could have a religious exemption. The Little Sisters of the Poor said they were not going to check the religion of every person who came to their soup kitchen. They were endlessly pursued by secular government authorities but eventually their religious rights were upheld by the Supreme Court.

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Huh? The patient in question had a non-viable failed pregnancy. That is a health emergency not a religious event. Why would she make a "religious liberty" claim in the malpractice suit against the hospital that failed to treat her?

What is an adultist to you? Because:

"He who spares his rod hates his son,
But he who loves him disciplines him promptly." Proverbs 13:24

And

"Train up a child in the way he should go,
And when he is old he will not depart from it." - Proverbs 22:6

Which goes against the basic definition of "adultist".

Paul calls them apostles, not that the apostles that knew Jesus personally, the remaining 11, all came together to talk about the many thousands of Christians at that moment. They had an ancient postal service between Rome and Russia and Greece, Jerusalem, India and Egypt... it could not work that they took "note".

One of victims killed in synagogue attack and one of those injured were hit by police gunfire​

For now, here is an overview of the past few hours:

• Two victims were hit by police gunfire yesterday, one of whom died,Greater Manchester Police Chief Constable Sir Stephen Watson said, although he did not disclose whether this was the cause of death
• An investigation by the Independent Office for Police Conduct (IOPC) will be carried out "to establish the facts" of what happened
• A statement from the Heaton Park Synagogue said they feel "loss beyond words", but the synagogue's leaders also praise the bravery of security and first responders who "saved countless lives"
• The PM said beating antisemitism "is the responsibility of us all" and "we will rise to that challenge to ensure our Jewish community is safe and secure", during a visit to police HQ in Manchester
• Deputy PM David Lammy has declared the attack a 'major incident'and said the victims will be supported by an Independent Public Advocate (IPA)
• The charity that provides security for Jewish communities, CST, confirmed that one of its personnel was injured in yesterday's attack

Heavenly Father,

The secularism that is celebrated by the majority of the population is nothing short of antichrist and we are now seeing the results of this being played out in society.

People are rising against one another and there is no Christ led mediation to assist to lead us all back to You in unity.

Today, I would like to pray for the people of England. May they come back to You, Heavenly Father, and reject their worldly ways.

Please help them remember that you are King of Kings, Lord of Lords and the Saviour of all.

I pray for all those affected by the synagogue incident.

Please Lord, show all your might and mercy so that they may return to You and restore the once great Christian nation through Your forgiveness.

Please protect your people, Lord, from the unholy actions of those who have yet to come to You.

In Your name I pray, Amen.

peaceful-forest said:

Has anyone thought about taking a break from this forum? Or you have taken a break and come back?

How was it? Did anything change?

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I have taken a break a time or two from these forums and from other online places. For me I think it is a good thing to take a break from online forums now and again.

As far as changes, from my perspective I certainly feel much less welcome than when I originally signed up.

Romans 16:7 YLT. salute Andronicus and Junias, my kindred, and my fellow-captives, who are of note among the apostles, who also have been in Christ before me.
NKJV
7 Greet Andronicus and Junia, my countrymen and my fellow prisoners, who are of note among the apostles, who also were in Christ before me.

I assert that these two persons Paul mentions are apostles who stand out from other apostles of Paul's time. Because the alternative is that they were of note with Paul and the remaining 11 apostles. The 11 were far distant from each other and could only confer by the ancient world postal service, between Rome, Russia, Greece, Jerusalem, Egypt and India. And the apostles would over time need to hear about names dropped from 10,000 believers across the world.

So in short I'd say the Spirit of God commissioned them as apostles among several that did not personally know Jesus.

Today's jobs report was eaten by the shutdown.

Pommer said:

“Muddying-up-the-waters” is all this is; Lutnick’s perfect for it.

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It would seem counterproductive from Trump's standpoint to suggest that Epstein got special treatment for turning over kompromat on rich and powerful figures that has been covered up. That's exactly the sort of thing the rabid conspiracists are demanding to know about.

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Announced by Republican members Brandon Hall and Julie Pickren last week, David Barton will serve as one of several expert content advisers to the board as it develops a new social studies agenda that will dedicate more time across school grades to Texas and U.S. history while placing less attention on world history and cultures.

Board members can nominate content advisers to review and provide feedback during the revision process. Barton served in a similar role when the board revised its social studies standards in 2010.

His appointment comes ahead of what are expected to be intense debates about Texas’ social studies framework, specifically how and what students should learn about history. Those discussions will take place as Texas’ Republican leaders increasingly push to inject Christian beliefs and values into public school classrooms.

Barton is a former vice chair of the Republican Party of Texas and the founder of WallBuilders, a Christian advocacy group based in North Texas that believes “American liberty is being eroded” and that the country’s “biblical foundation is under constant attack.”

Historians critical of Barton’s beliefs have pointed to his lack of formal historical training and the fact that a book he authored over a decade ago, “The Jefferson Lies,” was pulled from the shelves by its publisher due to historical details “that were not adequately supported.” [Many other errors of fact and misrepresentation can be laid at Barton's feet other than this one book.]

When Barton advised the State Board of Education roughly 15 years ago, he called the fact that racial, ethnic and religious groups have expanded political rights in American society a “false premise,” noting his perspective that such advances would not have happened without the country’s white majority.

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That's right. When you win a war it's only because the other side has done you the favor of losing.

David Lamb said:

Yes, I know you do. Perhaps I read more into your post than you intended. Sorry.

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That's OK, I'm just glad you read them

eclipsenow said:

Actual studies show “illegals” commit less crime​

From 2019:​

"most studies have shown that illegal immigrants tend to commit less crime than the native born"
Gonzalez, Benjamin; Collingwood, Loren; El-Khatib, Stephen Omar (2019). "The Politics of Refuge: Sanctuary Cities, Crime, and Undocumented Immigration". Urban Affairs Review. 55: 107808741770497. doi:10.1177/1078087417704974. S2CID 32604699.

From 2020:​

We make use of uniquely comprehensive arrest data from the Texas Department of Public Safety to compare the criminality of undocumented immigrants to legal immigrants and native-born US citizens between 2012 and 2018. We find that undocumented immigrants have substantially lower crime rates than native-born citizens and legal immigrants across a range of felony offenses. Relative to undocumented immigrants, US-born citizens are over 2 times more likely to be arrested for violent crimes, 2.5 times more likely to be arrested for drug crimes, and over 4 times more likely to be arrested for property crimes. In addition, the proportion of arrests involving undocumented immigrants in Texas was relatively stable or decreasing over this period. The differences between US-born citizens and undocumented immigrants are robust to using alternative estimates of the broader undocumented population, alternate classifications of those counted as “undocumented” at arrest and substituting misdemeanors or convictions as measures of crime.
Light, Michael T.; He, Jingying; Robey, Jason P. (December 2, 2020). "Comparing crime rates between undocumented immigrants, legal immigrants, and native-born US citizens in Texas". Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences. 117 (51): 32340–32347. Bibcode:2020PNAS..11732340L. doi:10.1073/pnas.2014704117. PMC 7768760. PMID 33288713.
Comparing crime rates between undocumented immigrants, legal immigrants, and native-born US citizens in Texas - PMC

From 2024​

"A range of studies by academics and think tanks have shown that immigrants do not commit crime at a higher rate than native-born Americans. A more limited universe of studies specifically examine criminality among immigrants in the US illegally but also find that they do not commit crimes at a higher rate."
Hesson, Ted; Rosenberg, Mica; Hesson, Ted; Rosenberg, Mica (July 16, 2024). "Trump says migrants are fueling violent crime. Here is what the research shows". Reuters. Retrieved July 28, 2024.

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The Police in sanctuary cities are told to stand down. The liberal officials have been doing this for years now. They do it so persons can come onto social media and make your kind of arguments. Your studies are fake. The way to fix this is to vote them out and put officials in that will do their job.

Virginia Gov. Glenn Youngkin has ordered the state board of health to create regulations barring males who identify as female from participating in athletics and using facilities designated for girls and women.

Youngkin issued Executive Directive 14, titled "Directing the Promulgation of Regulations to Secure the Health, Safety, Privacy, Dignity and Respect for All Virginians in Sex Separated Spaces."

The directive orders the Virginia Board of Health to enact regulations that, among other things, "Prevent biological males from participating in organized female-only athletic teams and competitions in Virginia" and "Prevent biological males from using designated female spaces where females are likely to be in a state of undress."

"The health and safety of women and girls in sex separated spaces and participating in athletic competitions is in serious jeopardy due to irresponsible policies, including those that allow known sex offenders to hunt little girls in public locker rooms," said Youngkin.

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Jerry N. said:

How can you tell? The project managers are often the ones tasked with fund raising. They are usually professors in the related fields.

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Because I know who the people are.

Jerry N. said:

This thread is about AI, and I merely expressed what I observed with three or four publishing houses here in Poland and several here and there in other European countries. If we really wanted a definitive answer to the problem, we would have to do a large study, but I don’t know how that could be done.

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Maybe this is the problem -- I don't know any journals published in Poland.

Israel and the New Covenant.

God's covenants are with Israel. The New Covenant is also made with Israel.

The first covenant

He spoke to the Nation of Israel. He spoke the Ten Commandments, codified it with His own finger and added no more to them Deut5:22

Exo 34: 28 So he was there with the Lord forty days and forty nights; he neither ate bread nor drank water. And He wrote on the tablets the words of the covenant, the Ten Commandments.

Sadly the covenant was broken before Moses could deliver the written Testimony of God because there was a delay. So God re-wrote the exact words on stone again. Deut 10:4

This cannot be a clearer expression of God's will, written by God, spoken by God, His Testimony under His mercy seat where judgement and mercy will come together soon. Rev11:18-19

Because Israel did not continue in the covenant because they broke it. God keeps His promises and said He would not alter His words of the covenant Psa89:34 not a jot or tittle Mat5:18. So in His longsuffering for mankind, He writes a New Covenant, not established on the old promises of the people doing Exo 19:8 it is established on the better promises Heb 8:6 of what He will do. Heb8:10 Instead of writing His covenant in stone, He writes them in the hearts and minds of His people. Still made to Isarel.

Heb 8:10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the Lord: I will put My laws in their mind and write them on their hearts; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people.

If we are God's people, we are in a Covenant relationship with God and heirs to the promises Gal 3:26-29. If we are in a Covenant relationship with God, we have His laws (His version) from written on stone to written in the heart 2 Cor3:3 God keeping His promises Psa89:34 Mat5:18

So what does Israel mean?

I think God gives us these answers....

Exo 4:22 Then you shall say to Pharaoh, 'Thus says the LORD: "Israel is My son, My firstborn.
Hos 11:1 "When Israel was a child, I loved him, And out of Egypt I called My son.

Israel is God's son, His firstborn. If Israel was literal it would mean Adam. Obviously its not literal as it represents God's people.

Who is the true Israel?

Mat 2:14 When he arose, he took the young Child and His mother by night and departed for Egypt,
Mat 2:15 and was there until the death of Herod, that it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the Lord through the prophet, saying, "OUT OF EGYPT I CALLED MY SON."

Christ is the true fulfillment of Israel.

Christ is the Vine, we are the branches and Gentiles are grafted into Christ or Israel (God's people) through faith

Gal 3:7 Therefore know that only those who are of faith are sons of Abraham.
Gal 3:26 For you are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus.
Gal 3:27 For as many of you as were baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
Gal 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus.
Gal 3:29 And if you are Christ's, then you are Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.


Rom 11:11 I say then, have they stumbled that they should fall? Certainly not! But through their fall, to provoke them to jealousy, salvation has come to the Gentiles
Rom 11:12 Now if their fall is riches for the world, and their failure riches for the Gentiles, how much more their fullness!
Rom 11:13 For I speak to you Gentiles; inasmuch as I am an apostle to the Gentiles, I magnify my ministry,
Rom 11:14 if by any means I may provoke to jealousy those who are my flesh and save some of them.
Rom 11:15 For if their being cast away is the reconciling of the world, what will their acceptance be but life from the dead?
Rom 11:11 I say then, have they stumbled that they should fall? Certainly not! But through their fall, to provoke them to jealousy, salvation has come to the Gentiles.
Rom 11:16 For if the firstfruit is holy, the lump is also holy; and if the root is holy, so are the branches.
Rom 11:17 And if some of the branches were broken off, and you, being a wild olive tree, were grafted in among them, and with them became a partaker of the root and fatness of the olive tree,
Rom 11:18 do not boast against the branches. But if you do boast, remember that you do not support the root, but the root supports you.
Rom 11:19 You will say then, "Branches were broken off that I might be grafted in."
Rom 11:20 Well said. Because of unbelief they were broken off, and you stand by faith. Do not be haughty, but fear.
Rom 11:21 For if God did not spare the natural branches, He may not spare you either.

The only way we are part of God's Israel is through faith. Tuning out all of the noise of the world and following what God of the Bible says.
Jesus makes it so clear we need to be connected to the Vine. And of course those who have not rebelled against the new covenant Rom8:7-8 and keep His commandments as they have God's laws written in their hearts and minds, His version because He is God Exo31:18 Deut4:13, not mans edited version against the will of God Deut4:2 Psa89:34 Mat5:18 Isa56:6

Joh 15:1 "I am the true vine, and My Father is the vinedresser.
Joh 15:2 Every branch in Me that does not bear fruit He takes away; and every branch that bears fruit He prunes, that it may bear more fruit.
Joh 15:3 You are already clean because of the word which I have spoken to you.
Joh 15:4 Abide in Me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, unless it abides in the vine, neither can you, unless you abide in Me.
Joh 15:5 "I am the vine, you are the branches. He who abides in Me, and I in him, bears much fruit; for without Me you can do nothing.
Joh 15:6 If anyone does not abide in Me, he is cast out as a branch and is withered; and they gather them and throw them into the fire, and they are burned.
Joh 15:7 If you abide in Me, and My words abide in you, you will ask what you desire, and it shall be done for you.
Joh 15:8 By this My Father is glorified, that you bear much fruit; so you will be My disciples.
Joh 15:9 "As the Father loved Me, I also have loved you; abide in My love.
Joh 15:10 If you keep My commandments, you will abide in My love, just as I have kept My Father's commandments and abide in His love.


1Jn 2:3 Now by this we know that we know Him, if we keep His commandments.
1Jn 2:4 He who says, "I know Him," and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
1Jn 2:5 But whoever keeps His word, truly the love of God is perfected in him. By this we know that we are in Him.
1Jn 2:6 He who says he abides in Him ought himself also to walk just as He walked.


1Jn 3:24 Now he who keeps His commandments abides in Him, and He in him. And by this we know that He abides in us, by the Spirit whom He has given us.

Lets enter into the New Covenant by faith. Having our Fathers laws written in our hearts and minds obeying Him and His Testimony which there is no One greater, through our love and faith.

These are the saints that will enter into the gates of heaven.

Rev 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints; here are those who keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus.
Rev 22:14 Blessed are those who do His commandments, that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter through the gates into the city.

Lets get back to what the God of the Bible says before its too late Rev18:4 Rev22:11

o_mlly said:

I wrote "simply put". Normally stated, the definition is:
[T]he complete and necessary objective explanation of something; the full intelligibility of accounting for something. Sometimes it means proportionate cause or some other basic explanatory principle.Its ontological formula may be stated: "Every being has a sufficient reason for its being and every attribute and relation of its being.Its logical formula is: "Every statement should have reasonable evidence." ("A Dictionary of Scholastic Philosophy", Wuellner, Page 261.)

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A much better definition, and one that suggests no problem with evolution. Living things are imperfect replicators. Imperfect replicators change from generation to generation. Imperfect replicators that are subject to natural selection can become better at replicating. That's the essence of adaptive evolution. Those are sufficient reasons for evolution to occur, and we have an abundance of reasonable evidence that is has occurred.

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Apparently you do not yet grasp the principle.

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Apparently you mistake your assumptions for universal truths.

o_mlly said:

The cognitive order is the mirror image of the ontological order. That is, we come to know the nature, essence, substance (or "species", if you like) of a thing through its observable effects (accidents).

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That is one view of things, but hardly the only one.

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Your examples above, unlike evolution theory, are the directly observable effects of acorns, water vapor, etc. which allow the intellect to abstract the effects to determine the essences.

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Nonsense. We do not directly observe water vapor. Rather, we construct a model of water vapor, and of the molecules that compose it, and infer properties based on that model. We are better able to directly observe evolution occurring than water vapor. In any case, what does observability have to do with the principle in question or your argument, anyway? Does the principle only apply to things we can't directly observe?

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Because I'm trying to understand your reasoning in a simpler arena -- as I stated. As you must be aware, the vast majority of philosophers, including philosophers of science, see no logical problem with evolution (including evolution of 'higher' forms of life) occurring. You do. That means you're not engaging in some standard philosophical argument -- it's an idiosyncratic one, and frankly one that makes not a lick of sense to me. Which means you have to explain your reasoning process. So I'll ask again: what reasoning process do you go through to determine whether photons can produce electrons?

NEW DELHI — The first Christian charged under an “anti-conversion” law has now become the first to be acquitted under the Uttarakhand state statute following a four-year legal battle.

Judicial Magistrate Anju (who uses only one name) of the Ramnagar Court in Nainital District delivered the acquittal order on Sept. 17, clearing Pastor Nandan Singh, also named as Narendra Singh and popularly known as Pastor Nandan Singh Bisht, of all charges under Sections 3 and 5 of the Religious Freedom Act, 2018.

“It was the first such acquittal since the legislation came into force in 2018,” said Rajesh Kumar, a friend of Pastor Bisht, who added that he was the first Christian arrested in Uttarakhand under the law four years ago.”

The pastor’s legal ordeal began on Oct. 2, 2021, when he and about 25 Christians had gathered for an all-night prayer at his rented house. About 30 to 35 Hindus, mainly from nearby villages, barged into his home at about 10 a.m.

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