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Israel-Hamas Thread II

The signing of the agreement shows the power of the US president so one wonders why did it take so long (Biden and Trump? Is this all about hopes for a Nobel peace prize?

One hopes for an end to all the needless killing and destruction but both sides have broken agreements in the past.
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Trump’s Domestic Use of Military Set to Get Worse, Leaked DHS/DoD Memo Shows: LA "hasn't been perfect" but indicates what's coming "for years to come"

18 states proudly support Trump's right to send National Guard into their states even if they don't want them.

This will ease the path for the FEMA camps of 2029.

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Yeah, putting ketchup on their own faces will keep the leopards away, sure enough.

-- A2SG, appeasement always works, right?
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Faith

Do you drive an automobile or ride in any vehicle with an internal combustion engine on the Sabbath?
I do not, though what I happen to be doing is independent of the issue of whether followers of Christ should follow his example of obedience to what God has commanded. Even if I were actively trying to commit as much sin as I can, then that would just mean that I need to repent, not that I was wrong about the fact that followers of Christ should follow his example of obedience to what God has commanded.
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Praise Report: My Father’s Surgery Went Well! Please Pray for the Next One

Dear brothers and sisters in Christ,

Thank you so much for all your prayers for my father. His surgery yesterday went very successfully, and I truly thank God for His mercy and healing hand over my dad. Your prayers and words of encouragement have meant so much to me and my family during this time.

My father will be having another smaller surgery this coming Monday, 13 October, and I humbly ask for your continued prayers — that everything will go smoothly, that God will guide the doctors’ hands, and that my dad will recover quickly and comfortably.

I also want to give thanks for my lady boss at work, who has been so kind and supportive — she even bought gifts for me and my father during this season. May the Lord bless her abundantly for her generosity and compassion.

Thank you all once again for standing with me in prayer. May God bless each of you richly in His love and grace.

In Christ,
Jane Chai
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My Recap of the New York City - US Open Outreach

Amen to that! Definitely always need prayer. Just like we'll be at a witchcraft/psychic fair this Saturday to evangelize and need all the prayer we can get!
Gosh, yes! Praying for Divine mental, emotional, spiritual and physical protection for you all, as well as for safe journeys. Also against any Satanic attack beforehand to try to stop you going. Praying for the right words to say and signs to use; for people to listen to your message and for the Holy Spirit to convince them of the truth of the Gospel. For them to be released from their bondage to these evil things and to repent and come into the Kingdom.

God bless you and the team! Are you going to put a request on the prayer wall?
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UK group calls for end to Shariah 'parallel' marriages that put women, underage girls at risk of abuse

NHS apologizes for guidance extolling 'benefits' of first-cousin marriage amid growing Muslim population, claims 'economic advantages' to keeping money in same family

A campaign group has come out strongly against Shariah marriages and called for several measures to be put into place to strengthen the civil framework of marriage.

The Coalition for Marriage (C4M) suggested in a statement on Wednesday that Britain’s marriage laws and protections for women and children are being undermined by confusion over religious and civil ceremonies, which is leading to "parallel" marriages.

It said that Minister for Courts Sarah Sackman had “got it wrong” when she told Parliament that people appearing before Shariah councils do so “in common with Christian, Jewish and other courts of faith.”

C4M said her claim was inaccurate because only civil marriages create legal rights and duties in the U.K., and that while Christian and Jewish weddings are integrated into that legal system "through authorized officiants and registered places," Shariah marriages "don't comply" unless a civil marriage is also conducted.

"Stop legitimizing private forums as ‘courts’ in official speech," C4M said.

"There is no parity with the family courts in law or effect."

The coalition wants Sackman to "return to the House to correct the record."

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Jelly Roll questions Forrest Frank's decision to reject awards while profiting from Christian songs

Christian singers are responding to Forrest Frank’s vow to no longer accept awards for his music, with some suggesting his stance is hypocritical because he still accepts monetary compensation for his work.

On Monday, Christian musician Forrest Frank announced in a social media postthat he would no longer accept awards for his music. “As Christians, it’s hard to know where the line is in the sand between being in the world and not of the world,” he said.

Answering his own question, pondering, “Where’s the line in the sand drawn,” Frank concluded, “I’m convicted, personally, that a line that I can draw is that I will not receive a trophy for something that is from Jesus and for Jesus.”

“I was wrestling with this last year. I even said that on stage at the Dove Awards. I said ‘I’m still struggling with the concept of receiving this award, but all glory to Jesus, every name will fade away, including mine, except for one name,’” Frank recalled.

After informing his fans that he would no longer attend the Doves and the Grammys, Frank expressed hope that he could “be an example to the youth that the trophy is our salvation” and that “the trophy is that my name is listed in the Book of Life and I get to have eternal life.”

Jelly Roll, a secular musician who has performed numerous Christian songs, was one of several artists to weigh in on what Frank has referred to as his new “stance of nonparticipation.”

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Men now surpass women in church attendance, especially among Gen X, millennials: Barna

a somewhat relavant post here
Login to view embedded media assuming this is true, and i tend to think it is, it helps explain why i spiritually knew the christian red pill communities would die out, over a decade ago. God wasn't in it.

keep in mind that there are growing pains and backlash as a result of anyone, or anything, losing power. we may be seeing this now.
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The Fiction of ‘Occupied Palestinian Territory’ Made Israel a Pariah

Hamas is 100% at fault here. And they’ve brainwashed their people they’re “governing” to hate Israel and anyone who lives there. It’s disgusting. Hamas needs to be wiped out.
I have no sympathy for the actual terrorists within Hamas - but I wonder how many of the original terrorists are even still alive?

But the Palestinian people? That's a different story.

Imagine your city was walled off by some hostile power for decades. The power and water and trade are all intermittent and unreliable.

Imagine you were told you cannot visit your cousin who lives maybe just 50 km away in the West Bank. You are a 'security risk' - just because of where you are born. Then you hear your cousin was illegally kicked out of his house. He's so depressed - some Israeli settlers just came and took it. They had soldiers with them. They did not care that your cousin has a sick wife and 2 kids. He's living with friends - but not sure where he's going to go.

Why didn't he protest more? Oh - that's because you are both aware that your OTHER cousin was SHOT DEAD when he did so. No one cared. No one investigated. It's a homicide - maybe even a war crime given Israel should not even BE in the West Bank under international law. It's illegal imperialism - illegal occupation and settler expansion.

But who cares? Israel certainly doesn't - they have the backing of the USA. They have also hypnotised about 4 times as many American Evangelicals as there are Jews on the planet into being so called "Christian Zionists" who use bad end-times theology to justify favouring Israel - no matter what!

It's been like this for decades - and only getting worse.

THEN you hear the WORST news. You understand the frustration - but not the barbarity of the acts. Hamas - your countrymen - have attacked young Israeli's in the worst way possible! It's a full scale terrorist attack unlike anything Hamas has done before.

Your heart races in your chest - as you fear for your own kids. If life was bad before, what's it going to be like if Israel responds in it's usual disproportionate way? They don't practice "Just War" theory. They use Israeli bombs to 'precision target' some 'perceived' enemy lair - but the bomb itself crushes lungs in a 700 meter diameter kill zone.

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Let's get real. Hamas killed 1,219 people and took 251 hostages. If we include ALL the hostages as horrific casualties of war - even the living ones because they were illegally kidnapped for 2 years - we're talking about 1470 casualties.

How are the Palestinians doing? Over 65,000 Palestinians dead! In addition to the numbers, it's the spread. At one point it was about a classroom of children a day. So much for 'just war'.

But the number itself? Is that Just War? Is that a proportional response? That's over 44.2 TIMES the original terrorist attack.
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Losing friendships and Matt 24:12

I think you’ll have better luck joining a bible study and fellowshipping with likeminded believers. Most of the people your age are married with children or have other responsibilities that require their attention. The one-on-one relationship you’re seeking for study and prayer is commonly found with older persons. They have the time to pour into you in the manner you’d like.

I had a prayer partner in the past who was older and we attended the same church. We went to lunch every week (often more than once) and were part of a women’s bible study. While I enjoyed her company her need was great and she wanted me in everything and I started to pull away. She was smothering me because of her loneliness. There’s a lot of people like her in the church who’d love the companionship you want. The children are gone and they’re alone.

I was younger at the time and that was my first experience with that form of connecting and I wouldn’t do it again. But that doesn’t mean there’s something wrong with you for desiring the bond. Our need quotients differ and honoring yours is best. Talk with the older people in your community and see how it goes. There’s people your age seeking the same on the site as well. Maybe you can support one another in the interim.

~bella
thanks Bella for the response. My church has many older people. I should pray about approaching one of them and see if someone is put on my mind or will come up to me. Thanks!
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The History of the “Two Laws” Theory in Romans 3:20

I think that's great. Yes, the Law contained all the elements later said to contain moral, ceremonial, and judicial aspects. But they were all a single agreement. Failing to obey Sabbath Law was the same as failure to respect God's name and not use it "vainly." Our failure under ceremonial law was equal to our failure under moral law.

We not only fail to carry out God's instructions at times, but we also fail to abide by morals perfectly. We all are guilty of a kind of murder when we get angry with one another. We are all guilty of lust when we look too long in the wrong direction.

The covenant of Law condemned the whole human race, including Israel who was under that covenant, because all sinners, by their record, are prevented from access to the Tree of Life. It was a single covenant that required holiness of Israel, but at the same time it showed that nobody qualifies for Eternal Life apart from Christ and his mercy.

The Law accomplished an important matter in establishing what had been known since the garden, that the human record under the effects of sin disqualified all sinners from the Tree of Life. And so, moral, ceremonial, and judicial law all condemned Israel as sinners, disqualified from Salvation, if they failed to proceed to God's cure, which is obedience to Christ.

It is quite true that God's Law remains in effect as a moral standard for all mankind. We remain subject to God's word and to God's Law. But we will not find Eternal Life by obeying God's word under the Law of Moses, neither moral, ceremonial, nor judicial. Not only would such an "obedience" disqualify us from Life, but it would show contempt for Christ who fulfilled the very Mercy that the Law of Moses had been directing Israel towards.

We follow moral law, though not under the Law of Moses but now under obedience to Christ, who combines law and mercy. If we live by his Spirit we will not only show his righteousness, but in showing his righteousness we will also qualify for his mercy.

It is not important to show that obedience to God is similar under the covenant of Law and the covenant of Christ. The important thing is to direct our morality to the same God who presided over both covenants and who now asks nothing more than we obey Christ, His Son. In doing so, not only is our record of failure eliminated, but we have mercy through the one whose record qualified him to forgive us.

Under the Law our moral record condemned us. By obedience to Christ we rely on Christ's mercy and the grace of his gift of righteousness. We continue to live moral lives and to live by the law of God's word. But we know that our record would disqualify us if we did not turn to Christ for mercy.
Amen and further more God's law is a delight and blessing to those saved by grace. Blessed is the man who's sins God does not count against him. Just because one is saved by grace and is perfected forever by Christ's one sacrifice does not mean that they are going to lay the reigns on the neck of lust. Absolutely not. We seek to be holy even as He is holy because we love Him. We adore HIm. And desire to be like Him. Obeying God is not a drag or a sacrifice because we recieve blessing upon blessing by doing so.

We delight to do your will O' God...
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JPPT's Faithful Thoughts and Devotions (3)

JPPT1974's Tues Thoughts 10/14/2025:
When we share on the resources and
Mainly on time and how Christ did so
While He was on the earth before the
Brutal cross and snide remarks and brutal beatings
Adding a long with it proving
He cared about us and wanting to share in
Salvation in Him and knowing eternity is
Made possible in Him when we leave this earth for
Eternity and for seeing Christ and those who have
Gone on before us my friends.
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BUSTED - 12 False theories refuted:

A little hard for them to do that now they have no nuclear weapons.
It is known that enough refined uranium to make several nuke bombs, is still in Iranian hands.
They also have the missiles to deliver them to Israel. They are merely waiting for the Appointed time.

Psalms 94:1-7 God of vengeance1, show Yourself. Repay the arrogant as they deserve. Rise now and judge the earth, give to the godless their just penalty. Lord: How long will the wicked exult? Evildoers oppress Your people, Your chosen nation. They say: The Lord does not see, the God of Jacob pays no heed.

Isaiah 42:14-15 Long have I restrained Myself2, I kept silence and held Myself in check, now I am like a woman in labour, as in the throes of childbirth. I shall lay waste to the land, dry up rivers and lakes will become deserts.

Psalms 102:13 & 19-20 You will arise and have mercy on Zion, for it is time to pity her. The appointed time has come3. The Lord looks down from His sanctuary on high and surveys the earth. He hears the supplications of the exiles and will set free those threatened with annihilation.

Psalms 78:65-66 Then the Lord awoke as a sleeper awakes4, as a warrior suddenly disturbed. He struck His foes and defeated them, to their eternal shame.

Psalms 2:4-9 The Lord, enthroned in the heavens5 laughs and derides His enemies. Angrily He rebukes them and in His wrath, He devastates the nations, shattering them like a clay pot.

Psalms 11:4-6 The Lord is on His throne in heaven5. He observes all people and judges them. He hates those who love violence. He will rain fiery coals and brimstone upon the wicked peoples6; scorching winds will be their sentence.

Psalms 50:1-5 Our God is coming and will not keep silent. A consuming fire runs ahead of Him and around Him a great storm rages6.

Psalms 18:13 The Lord thundered from the heavens5, He raised His voice amid hail and glowing coals. He hurled forth arrows of lightning6 and sped them to their mark.

Joel 1:15, 2 Peter 3:10, Malachi 4:1, Zeph. 3:8, Isaiah 13:9, Isaiah 66:15-16, Jer. 9:22 The Day is near, the Day of the Lord it comes, as a mighty destruction from the Almighty. On that unexpected Day, the sky will be dispersed with a great noise and the earth will be enveloped in flames7. All peoples will be brought to judgement and many will die.
Ref; REB. Some verses abridged.

1/ We know God as a God of love, but also of justice and this means that He must exact a just punishment onto those who deny Him and ignore His commands. Nahum 1:2, Isaiah 1:24, Romans 1:18

2/ The Lord has kept out of world affairs and allowed people to follow their own desires. This is our free will choice. Isaiah 64:7, Eccl. 8:5-7, Psalms 89:46, 1 Thess. 4:6-8

3/ God has a plan and all that is prophesied will come to pass at its appointed time. Isaiah 46:10, Psalms 33:10-11

4/ The Lord springs into action! Haggai 2:21-22, Amos 5:9, Joel 2:11, Psalms 144:5-6

5/ This event is NOT the Return, the Lord stays in His sanctuary. Psalms 7:6-16, Isa 60:1-3

6/ The great Day of the Lord’s vengeance and wrath, prophesied over 100 times throughout the Bible, the Day of punishment on the nations, triggered by an attempted attack by Iran, sending nuke missiles onto the State of Israel. Zechariah 5:1-10, Psalms 83:1-18, Habakkuk 3:12, Isaiah 34:1-5

7/ The only logical explanation for a worldwide fire, is a Coronal Mass Ejection, an explosion of the suns surface. This is confirmed by Isaiah 30:26 and Malachi 4:1.

A CME of unprecedented magnitude will strike the earth, the mass of superheated hydrogen plasma will fulfil all the prophesied effects: in the sky, heat, smoke, electrical, volcanic, earthquakes and the loss of our modern infrastructure. Deut. 32:22 & 34-35, Ezekiel 21:10, Revelation 6:12-17
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Angels in heaven

Matthew 18:10 KJV
Take heed that ye despise not one of these little ones; for I say unto you, That in heaven their angels do always behold the face of my Father which is in heaven.

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What does this mean? Do the little children have angel in heaven that is connected to them? Do we all have an angel in heaven that corresponds to us?
Do some of our angels do something other than behold God? Is my angel less innocent/good than a child's angel?

Or does it mean that when a child dies it becomes a particularly devoted angel?
Do we become angels if we go to heaven?

Or is the soul actually an angel and we are in heaven at the same time as being on earth without knowing it? We are our own angel, so to speak?

Or... what does it mean?

Cheers

You may have heard of the idea of a "guardian angel". The popular conception of this is not something I think any Christian should endorse; but historically Christianity does acknowledge (on the basis of biblical texts such as this one) that there are angels who watch over us. So, the simplest explanation here is that Jesus is talking about the angels who have been tasked by God to watch over the little ones.

Does that mean I have a specific angel assigned to watch over me? I mean, maybe? That has been a belief many Christians have had.

But it is just as possible that out of God's love and care for His creation He tasks angels with watching over us--and it doesn't have to be any more specific than that.

As for the other stuff:

Humans don't become angels. Angels and humans are categorically different kinds of creatures--humans are humans and will always be human; angels are angels and will always be angels. So no, people don't become angels, the soul isn't an angel--the soul is simply an aspect of my humanity. The best way to think of the human soul is that the soul speaks of the rational, relational, emotional, and spiritual dimensions of being human. All creatures have a soul--they have the breath of life (that's what the most basic meaning of "soul" is, "breath"); the human soul is unique and distinct in that it is a rational soul; we feel we think we have a rich and complex mind, and most important we can have a relationship with God as moral creatures that were made to reflect God's goodness and love into the world. You aren't a soul with a body; and you aren't a body with a soul--you're a human being, body-and-soul.

Angels are angels.

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No One Is Above The Law

Let’s talk about violence. Who is literally attacking ICE agents, murdering Charlie Kirk, and trying to kill Trump. This list could be much longer but the pattern is clear.

Answer my question first:

Question. When a right-wing nut commits a violent crime (let's say ten right-wing nuts commit violent crimes) does that make everyone on the Right violent?

For example, do the J6ers mean everyone on the Right is violent?

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Renewable energy outpaces coal for global electricity generation in historic first, report says

Holy omission Batman! Yes they’re not going to get power from that coal burner in Delta anymore, but, the brand new natural gas/hydrogen turbine that’s replacing it was built specifically to send power to California.
'Tis true, California is not abandoning fossil fuels.
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Average consumer now carries $6,329 in credit card debt. 'People are stretched,' expert says

Central bank purchases have been the main driver of the sharp rise in gold prices, Struyven said. “Central banks are now buying roughly 80 tonnes per month. That is about five times faster than before 2022. Several important Asian and emerging market central banks are still underweight gold and have significant room to increase their reserves,” he explained. He expects central banks to continue buying at a rapid pace for the next three years, pushing gold prices even higher.

Growing expectations of additional US Federal Reserve rate cuts later this year have further supported the safe-haven demand for gold. Prices have also been buoyed by concerns over a possible US government shutdown.

I don't care how much bling the bankers buy.
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Limited vs unlimited atonement?

John 6. Check that out.

You are creating a dichotomy where none exists. Of course election is from God’s perspective. He has not given us a list of those HE elected for salvation, but that doesn’t mean that God hasn’t selected people of HIS choice for salvation. And to add to this, God selected (for his own reasons) that hearing the gospel preached is how HE chooses to work in those HE chose. So of course we must be ready to share our hope of salvation with others.

Do you have a problem with God choosing Israel as his people? If not, I am confused as to why you would be so upset that God is continuing to choose whom He will for salvation.
Excellent perspective. I like your analogy with Israel having been elected by God to be His people, leaving the Gentiles outside the covenant.
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