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Are professed Christians that worship our Lord on Sunday instead of Saturday sinning?
- By Hentenza
- Sabbath and The Law
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Let me suggest that you study hermeneutics and the proper techniques to apply historical and by linguistic context. You missed both by quote mining verses wretched out of context.
In verse 5 Ananias is bringing the charges against Paul who, by his evangelizing of the Jews, is creating dissent. This verse is a perfect example of why the Christians are NOT Israel since both are contrasted. Ananias uses the term “sect” to describe the sect of the Nazarenes. The Greek word for sect here is hairesis which is where we get the word heresy. The historical context of Nazareth is a place that elicited both contempt and reproach among both Romans and Jews.
Verse 14 is spoken by Paul in his defense stating that “in accordance to the way”, the Christian movement, that “they” call a sect, a heresy, with “they” meaning the Jews. Again here there is a clear distinction between the way and the Jews.
These verse say exactly the opposite to what you are forcing them to say. It is a hermeneutical disaster.
In verse 23 Paul is evangelizing the Jews using the words of the OC including the law and the prophets. Why would Paul do that because Paul says that:
“To the Jews I became as a Jew, so that I might gain Jews; to those who are under the Law, I became as one under the Law, though not being under the Law myself, so that I might gain those who are under the Law;”
1 Corinthians 9:20 NASB2020
Again, these verses do not help you and you are ignoring the context completely,
“When they heard this, they quieted down and glorified God, saying, “Well then, God has also granted to the Gentiles the repentance that leads to life.” So then those who were scattered because of the persecution that occurred in connection with Stephen made their way to Phoenicia, Cyprus, and Antioch, speaking the word to no one except to Jews alone. But there were some of them, men of Cyprus and Cyrene, who came to Antioch and began speaking to the Greeks as well, preaching the good news of the Lord Jesus. And the hand of the Lord was with them, and a large number who believed turned to the Lord. The news about them reached the ears of the church in Jerusalem, and they sent Barnabas off to Antioch. Then when he arrived and witnessed the grace of God, he rejoiced and began to encourage them all with resolute heart to remain true to the Lord; for he was a good man, and full of the Holy Spirit and faith. And considerable numbers were added to the Lord. And he left for Tarsus to look for Saul; and when he had found him, he brought him to Antioch. And for an entire year they met with the church and taught considerable numbers of people; and the disciples were first called Christians in Antioch.”
Acts 11:18-26 NASB2020
Did you read that? No sect of Jews but Christians.
Χριστιανός Christianós, khris-tee-an-os'; from G5547; a Christian, i.e. follower of Christ:—Christian.
You have absolutely no defense for your argument. None. Trying to twist context is just going to show the folly of what you can’t prove. The Christian is not a Jew and it is not under the law. Period.
Initially the Christian movement was indeed called the way. These verses pertain to a charge of public menace against Paul brought to Felix, governor, by the priest Ananias.
In verse 5 Ananias is bringing the charges against Paul who, by his evangelizing of the Jews, is creating dissent. This verse is a perfect example of why the Christians are NOT Israel since both are contrasted. Ananias uses the term “sect” to describe the sect of the Nazarenes. The Greek word for sect here is hairesis which is where we get the word heresy. The historical context of Nazareth is a place that elicited both contempt and reproach among both Romans and Jews.
Verse 14 is spoken by Paul in his defense stating that “in accordance to the way”, the Christian movement, that “they” call a sect, a heresy, with “they” meaning the Jews. Again here there is a clear distinction between the way and the Jews.
These verse say exactly the opposite to what you are forcing them to say. It is a hermeneutical disaster.
These verses relate to Paul’s imprisonment in Rome. Paul appealed but the Jews objected to his release so he had to appeal to Cesar, not because he had a problem with Rome but because he has a problem with the Jews objecting. In verse 21 the Jews state that they had not received letters complaining about him from Judea but (verse 22) heard that others areas related to Jews were starting that sect that Paul was with was creating problems. Again, they word for sect here hairesis is where we gat the word heresy from. So again, another clear distinction between the “sect” of Paul and the Jews.
In verse 23 Paul is evangelizing the Jews using the words of the OC including the law and the prophets. Why would Paul do that because Paul says that:
“To the Jews I became as a Jew, so that I might gain Jews; to those who are under the Law, I became as one under the Law, though not being under the Law myself, so that I might gain those who are under the Law;”
1 Corinthians 9:20 NASB2020
1 Corinthians 9:20 To the Jews I became as a Jew, so that I might gain Jews; to those who are under the Law, I became as one under the Law, though not being under the Law myself, so that I might gain those who are under | New American Standard Bible
To the Jews I became as a Jew, so that I might gain Jews; to those who are under the Law, I became as one under the Law, though not being under the Law myself, so that I might gain those who are under
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Again, these verses do not help you and you are ignoring the context completely,
lol The folly is yours. Here let me see you explain this verses.
“When they heard this, they quieted down and glorified God, saying, “Well then, God has also granted to the Gentiles the repentance that leads to life.” So then those who were scattered because of the persecution that occurred in connection with Stephen made their way to Phoenicia, Cyprus, and Antioch, speaking the word to no one except to Jews alone. But there were some of them, men of Cyprus and Cyrene, who came to Antioch and began speaking to the Greeks as well, preaching the good news of the Lord Jesus. And the hand of the Lord was with them, and a large number who believed turned to the Lord. The news about them reached the ears of the church in Jerusalem, and they sent Barnabas off to Antioch. Then when he arrived and witnessed the grace of God, he rejoiced and began to encourage them all with resolute heart to remain true to the Lord; for he was a good man, and full of the Holy Spirit and faith. And considerable numbers were added to the Lord. And he left for Tarsus to look for Saul; and when he had found him, he brought him to Antioch. And for an entire year they met with the church and taught considerable numbers of people; and the disciples were first called Christians in Antioch.”
Acts 11:18-26 NASB2020
Acts 11:18-26 When they heard this, they quieted down and glorified God, saying, “Well then, God has also granted to the Gentiles the repentance that leads to life.” So then those who were scattered because of the | New American Standard Bible - NAS
When they heard this, they quieted down and glorified God, saying, “Well then, God has also granted to the Gentiles the repentance that leads to life.” So then those who were scattered because of the
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Did you read that? No sect of Jews but Christians.
Χριστιανός Christianós, khris-tee-an-os'; from G5547; a Christian, i.e. follower of Christ:—Christian.
You have absolutely no defense for your argument. None. Trying to twist context is just going to show the folly of what you can’t prove. The Christian is not a Jew and it is not under the law. Period.
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Pray that Hindu Nationalist politicians, & their allies who had a landslide victory in the region of Bihar, India show Christians favor
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Pray that Hindu Nationalist politicians, & their allies who had a landslide victory in the region of Bihar, India show Christians favor:
www.bbc.com
Bihar election: Modi's NDA alliance heads for decisive win in key Indian state election
The polls in November saw a 66.91% turnout - Bihar state’s highest since its first election in 1951.
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Steve Bannon Faces Reality
- By Richard T
Surely Bannon knows that Trump can pardon him and others from future prosecution for past crimes, the way Joe Biden did for his son Hunte
"As God is my witness, if we lose the midterms and we lose 2028, some in this room are going to prison, myself included. They're not going to stop."
‘Some in This Room Are Going to Prison – Myself Included’: Bannon Predicts Grim Fate for Himself If Democrats Win Upcoming Elections
Steve Bannon told a hall full of conservatives that if Democrats win the 2026 midterm elections and the presidency in 2028, some of them will go to prison, including him.www.yahoo.com
The last time, he defrauded Trump's followers, but Trump pardoned him. No pardons this time. And now he's facing the reality.
There is a theme I am sensing. Do unto others as you would have them do unto you. Both sides have legitimate and political prosecutions. We are seeing both. It will flip back to the GOP being prosecuted. It seems like it is God's plan to rid government of corruption. We might go back and forth until the voters can learn to pick leaders of good character that are not self-serving.
The GOP will lose because the economy is failing and Trump's policies have hurt major groups of voters such as SNAP and Obama recipients, federal employees, farmers and ranchers, and everyone who hurts from tariffs. Not too mention certain immigrant groups. 2000 rebates or other vote buying will not be enough. I have said before: Why did God never target Obama or Biden with all the unfortunate stuff? Because God judges the church and not nations is my answer I settled on. Many in the church entered politics and compromised their mission and character. We failed because humility always comes before restoration and renewal. No one represents the love of money more than Trump and many Christians have bought into that. Can you see change coming? It will better.
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