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They are always asking you to produce a flat earth model.
So why haven't you been able to produce one. If the earth was actually flat it would have been the easiest thing to do.
Well ask them to produce an actual physical 3d globe showing the land masses at 100% accurate size.
Why don't you ask? (admittedly you should be asking for a scale model, not 100%)
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Explain how it isn't, because it seems to match up pretty well with the red adjusted sizes posted above.
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Do you keep the Sabbath? (poll)

Deut 29:1 is the first the new Covenant is mentioned. This the Same as what Jeremiah prophesied in chapter 31.

Deut 30 goes into details about this New Covenant. Verse 6 states that the Lord our God will circumcise our hearts to serve Him. Verses 10-14 tell us what it is that is in our hearts. He says the Word, the commandments and statutes contained in the Book of the Law are not far from us. They are in our hearts and mouths so that we do them. This is paraphrased in Romans 10:6-8. There it adds that this word in our hearts and mouths is the faith in which we preach. This the faith the Just, the righteous live by that establishes the Law, the commandments and statutes contained in the Book of the Law. Take note that the Judgements are not included in this description. But the Sabbath being one of the commandments, by proxy is.

As a side note since it is the commandments and statutes contained in the Book of the Law that is the word that is in our hearts. This explains why Jeremiah when he prophesied this at a later date due to the lack of faith in Israel. He said that it was to be the Law in our hearts. Any one hearing this throughout the ages until Christ would have seen this as being the Book of the Law and not just the commandments as many purport.
this is not support for chopping up the law and arbitrarily saying what we continue to follow and what we don't. law written upon our hearts is an abstract reference for being led by the spirit over verbatim laws (2 Cor 3). I've tried to follow the logic, making a flow chart but can't figure out when one law is dropped and another kept. You'd (SDA) be more consistent if you just say it's the 10... but since others laws are included it seems to be a case-by-case basis, but there needs to be a measure that you use to determine which extends to the new covenant and which is stays in the old covenant.

best I can figure is:

  • Is it ceremonial/sacrificial?
    • yes-->is it a sign of an everlasting covenant?
      • yes-->is it part of the 10 commandments?
        • yes-->keep the physical requirement
        • no-->don't need to keep the physical requirement
      • no-->is it part of the 10 commandments?
        • yes-->keep the physical requirement
        • no-->don't need to keep the physical requirement
    • no-->is it regarding clean/unclean foods?
      • yes-->keep the physical requirement
      • no-->does the NT explicitly say it is no longer valued?
        • yes-->don't need to keep the physical requirement
        • no-->does the NT explicitly say it should be valued?
          • yes-->keep the physical requirement
          • no-->not sure, better check with SDA
  • Confused or not sure?
    • yes-->is it a part of the 10 commandments?
      • yes-->keep the physical requirement
      • no-->Is it sacrificial
        • yes-->don't need to keep the physical requirement
        • no-->better check with SDA
    • no-->better check with SDA
  • still confused?
    • yes-->better check with SDA
    • no-->better check with SDA
  • are you confident?
    • yes-->better check with SDA
    • no-->better check with SDA
Although it is clear this is a 10 commandment-centred framework, there are a lot of exceptions. Who clears up the exceptions? It seems the SDA is the final authority on understanding (in this system) as well as which ones are picked and which ones are not. This is doctrine according to post-biblical traditional/authority and is not an example of sola scriptura as scripture alone cannot come to these conclusions and you need outside intervention for another layer of authority. This ultimately casts doubt on the motivation of the entire framework, not to mention undermining the authority of the Spirit.
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The Reality of Free Will

True free will requires the ability of one moral agent to make moral choices without coercion, constraints, or consequences imposed by another moral agent. Anything short of that is not "free will," but "volitional agency."
Free will doesn't require freedom from consequences, nor does it need to be absolute and without constraint. Coercion is also debateable, depending on whether it is resistable or irresistable. Free will just requires that the origin of the actions be in the person's will, rather than being something imposed upon them. So distinguishing between volitional agency and free will is an artificial one, as they amount to the same thing.
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There’s a Giant Flaw in Human History

With regards to the nonsense of the ancient Egyptians using pyramids to 'focus or amplify' electromagnetic energy, all objects including pyramids can exhibit electromagnetic resonances.
These resonances occur when an external electromagnetic wave matches one of the natural oscillation modes of the object.
In conductive materials this involves free electrons oscillating collectively while in insulating materials like limestone or granite, the response is much weaker and consists mainly of small polarization shifts rather than free electron motion.
At resonance the frequency of the electromagnetic radiation matches the frequency of the oscillating electrons or polarization shifts resulting in an increase in the amplitude of the oscillation.

The internal chambers of the Great Pyramid have different dielectric properties than the surrounding limestone and granite walls, so can alter the distribution of electromagnetic fields and support their own weak resonance modes. Inside the chambers, electromagnetic fields can form weak standing-wave patterns due to reflections off the walls to form constructive interference with the incident radiation creating regions where the field is slightly stronger and is normal cavity resonance found in any enclosed space.

It is blatantly obvious the ancient Egyptians were completely unaware of the physics by simply comparing the interiors of the Great Pyramid with the second largest pyramid that of Khafre.

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Khafre’s pyramid contains intrusive tunnels created by tomb robbers but would show a far weaker electromagnetic field enhancement than Khufu’s because it lacks internal chambers and therefore dielectric discontinuities which cannot support internal standing-wave resonant modes.

If the ancient Egyptians were aware of the physics they would not have constructed Khafre’s pyramid with the internal chamber below the pyramid where enhancements would have been negligible.
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The Schumer Shutdown

The ACA is about as close to universal healthcare as you can get. That's why it cost so much. If we had actual universal healthcare as some other countries do, it would cost even more, and the quality of healthcare would plummet. You can ask residents of those other countries who come to the USA for healthcare all about it. The long wait times are enough to cause them to come here where it's not universal, but higher quality.
You apparently don't know anything about universal healthcare if you think the ACA somehow resembles it. This post is objectively wrong.

Universal Healthcare:
Covers everyone, regardless of income, employment, pre-existing conditions, or age.
Single system ensures no gaps in coverage.

ACA:
Expands coverage but does not cover everyone.
Many people still rely on private insurance or fall into gaps in Medicaid eligibility (especially in states that didn’t expand Medicaid).
Coverage is often tied to employment or eligibility for subsidies.

Universal Healthcare:
Typically government-administered (single-payer) or heavily regulated multi-payer system.
Government negotiates prices for hospitals, doctors, and drugs.

ACA:
Relies on private insurance companies.
Government sets rules and provides subsidies, but does not control hospital, doctor, or drug prices.

Universal Healthcare:
Uses centralized negotiation to control costs for services, medications, and procedures.
Administrative costs are low due to one system handling billing and claims.

ACA:
Does not regulate provider prices, so costs for premiums, deductibles, and medical services remain high.
Administrative costs stay high because multiple private insurers and billing systems are involved.

Universal Healthcare:
Funded by taxes (federal and sometimes state), rather than premiums alone.
Individuals do not pay separate premiums for essential coverage.

ACA:
Funded by premiums (from individuals and employers) plus taxes.
Subsidies help lower-income people afford premiums, but middle- and upper-income people often pay more out-of-pocket.

Universal Healthcare:
Entire population is pooled, so risk is spread across everyone.
People cannot be denied coverage, and coverage is lifelong.

ACA:
Risk is pooled within insurance markets, not nationally.
People can still face high deductibles, copays, and gaps in coverage if subsidies aren’t enough.

Universal Healthcare:
Simpler: one system handles enrollment, billing, and reimbursement.
Less paperwork for patients and providers.

ACA:
Complex: multiple private insurers, different plans, marketplaces, subsidies.
High administrative overhead, confusing enrollment, and claim disputes remain common.


The ACA is vastly different than universal healthcare. Hence why universal healthcare is cheap in every modern nation that uses it, while the ACA is not.
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1984

That's a simplification! Things vary between areas and from time to time the current Government decides that their predecessor got it all wrong and makes changes.

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Definitely a simplification. There's a reason each country's education system has its own dedicated Wikipedia page, and I'm sure those remain brief overviews.
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What is the true congregation?

While I agree with you that there is 1 body of Christ and all who follow Jesus and his truth are within that, the problem is that there are teachings by other denominations that will not get people saved as they themselves aren't either. Just like Christ accused the Pharisees of leading people to damnation (Matthew 23:13, Matthew 23:15) there are groups of people doing the same. Which is why I don't subscribe to the idea that debating scripture is "dividing the body of Christ" when there are a lot of people who are false brothers based on their doctrine and technically then wouldn't be IN the body of Christ to begin with. So I think it's dangerous to consider every denomination as part of the body when for example, Mormons claim "Christianity" but clearly aren't in the body...
Delvianna, I agree. Many churches teach another Jesus and another gospel. The are about 45,000 different churches worldwide and are separated from each other over doctrine. I read in scripture that there is only one body or church, not 45,000. If you would try to find the “true church“ from among these 45,000 and would thoroughly study each one for only one day it would take you 125 years to cover them all. You would be dead and never find the true church unless you were able to cover them all. I read in scripture that of our own selves we cannot choose GOD or Jesus, they must choose us. We can’t by our own choice join GODS church, GOD must put us in. Are not Christians called and chosen ? Aren’t Christians called the elect of GOD ? They way Christians are called and chosen is somewhat similar to Paul's experience on the road to Damascus. This is how I was converted, it came as a big surprise and something I didn’t plan because I was involved in one of these 45,000 churches at the time. The call was to come out of them and be you separate, touch not the unclean thing and I will receive you. I obeyed this call and then I was chosen. This was all GOD and Christs doing not mine.
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UN rapporteur on sexual violence denies Hamas raped women during Oct. 7 attacks

Not only did the beasts in the proscribed terrorist group Hamas attack women, they sexually assaulted men too:


Hamas are proscribed for a reason, they're animals.

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Animals are better than that.
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Trump pardons Giuliani, Sidney Powell, John Eastman, Mark Meadows, all fake electors for their attempt to overturn 2020 election, pardon official says

Yes ... our elections should be a high priority and everything possible should be put in place to ward off "interference" and so far that has not been done. Ending mail in voting and requiring proper ID would help.
Neither would help.
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Refuting Losing Salvation!

We are "walking as He walked" (1Jo 2:6), when we are about the Father's business (Luk 2:49).
According to the Scriptures, we walk as He walked when we follow in His example that He set forth for us 1John2:6 1 Peter 2:21-22 So how did Jesus live what did He teach this is the faith we are to have, not just faith in Jesus, but the faith of Jesus Rev14:12
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Eve and the Fallacy of Moral Choices

My how the errors in choices creep in.



Adam received “the command” from God, the quite entirely infamous “do not eat OR ELSE” command that we apparently all fell under.

Eve was not yet separated and formed from Adam. But Eve apparently had heard the command. How so?

Gen. 3:
2 And the woman said unto the serpent, We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden:
3 But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die.

So we have 3 basic possibilities where this repeating of the command from God came from. We have no record of God repeating it to Eve. She may have had an inert or inner understanding of the command, being “within” Adam at the time, (God called them BOTH Adam on the day they were created-Gen. 5) OR the most likely source, Adam himself.

In any case Eve clearly got the command wrong, adding to it the statement that they may not “touch it.” God never said that. In fact they were meant to tend to the Garden and presumably every tree therein, inclusive of the infamous tree of knowledge of good/evil. An error was already in place and an unknown violation of God's Intentions for them, again most likely from the recount of Adam of that command, which would essentially prove his own fault in listening or retelling or tending the Garden. Or Eve made up the error herself, again showing error was in her own mind. In any case the command was mangled in her own mind and statements in stating the command to the serpent. She basically erred to the serpent and of course the serpent struck from there, getting her to consider making a “MORAL CHOICE.” Perhaps not even cognizant of the fact that she already erred.

So Eve starts her decision making with a built in fault. An error in recounting the exact command, to not “touch” the tree.

And here is where her decision making starts, all quite in line with making a good moral decision for herself:

Gen. 3:
6 And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat.

A classic setup for making a moral choice.

Good/Pleasant/Wise. What could possibly go wrong?

What’s wrong with the picture is that we fail to see that lawlessness was already at work within both Adam, who never even bothered to correct Eve’s misstatement of the command, and Eve, showing that LUST, LUST and PRIDE was already within her, referring to this pattern stated by John in:

1 John 2:16
For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.

Basically the things of the Father were NOT in Eve, but things of the world: good for food, pleasant to the eyes, the pride of being wise. All seemingly legitimate on the surface using the world’s decision making moral choice methods.

I honestly would hardly find fault in the decision making process, that we all employ daily. In many ways this decision making course is required to even survive. We have to eat. We like to eat things that please our eyes and we certainly are not rewarded for making foolish decisions.

But you see none of these observations are even accurate. What is accurate is that the package of Adam and Eve came PREPACKAGED with FAULTS.

Paul outlined this clearly in 1 Cor. 15:42-46 showing us exactly the conditions that
Adam and “all” natural people are planted in. These 3 things also correlate to Eve’s built in flaws:

Planted in corruption
Planted in dishonor
Planted in weakness

Is there supposed to be some surprise if outcome of making decisions with those pre-existing conditions is not and can never be moral? We make every decision from those planted conditions. Basically being seeded in dung, within the darkness of earth, our own dust body.

And lets not ignore what really happened to both Adam and Eve. Where the Word is sown, Satan comes immediately in our hearts to STEAL, to SIN in our own hearts via THEFT.

Obviously both Adam and Eve were stolen from within.

I believe the tempter was already at work within them both from the moment they first heard the Words of God. Yet hardly a one of us can see it, because we too have been stolen from.

And in this state we can’t even be honest with ourselves about it.

Instead we’ll claim that we justify ourselves by making good moral decisions, even with the hard line fact of EVIL CHOICES WITHIN TO CHOOSE FROM.

Remember these Words from Jesus: EVIL COMES FROM WITHIN.

It’s not optional, so let’s not try to pull Jesus’ Leg about it claiming we’re legally obedient and making good moral cnoices. Evil thoughts defile us all, period.

Mark 7:21-23

You have to love an HONEST BOOK. And of course not everything is as it appears on the surface, or in the mirror
How could Adam or Eve have any concept of what good and evil is prior to eating the fruit that would give them that knowledge ? The only thing Adam knew was that GOD told him not to eat from the forbidden tree and I would think he passed the information on to Eve. Before eating the forbidden fruit neither one knew what good and evil was. They didn’t even know they were naked until afterwards. Even though Eve ate the fruit first the eyes of both were only opened after Adam ate. When GOD first created Adam and Eve they were innocent they could not have fallen from grace because they were never under grace, there was no need for grace as there was no sin. Sin only entered the world after they sinned by eating the forbidden fruit. Adam didn’t fall from grace he failed to chose the other tree , that of life instead, which would have given him GODS spirit as well as the knowledge of the truth without having ever sinned. The man had to have a free will choice to obey GOD or not. This is one reason why the two trees were in the garden and Satan allowed to have access to Adam and Eve. GOD , being omniscient, knew Adam would sin and that is why Jesus was the lamb slain from the foundation of the world. The problem with humanity now is a defiled human spirit and when unconverted children of the devil. Christ was sent to remedy this situation by providing an ultimate sacrifice for sin to be proportioned out in three different times; now, the millennium and the second resurrection. The three measures of meal until the whole is leavened. This is why Jesus is called the second Adam who always did the will of his FATHER. Adam harkened to the voice of his wife instead of his GOD thus indicating he loved his wife more than his GOD. In the story of the events of the garden of Eden is the message of the gospel.
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The 2025 Government Shutdown Thread

Have you considered smaller insurers?
Smaller insurers have a smaller risk pool by nature. Therefore, they must either be very choosy about who they accept (which is problematic for people with, say, pre-existing conditions) or charge a lot of money for their premiums because they lack the leverage to negotiate with providers and don't have a large pool of insured individuals to spread costs among. While they might be a good option for some people, they can't (and won't) insure everyone.
Free competition is the key,
The problem is that health insurance (and healthcare in general) doesn't operate on free market principles. You can't shop around for the best price or highest-rated hospital when you're having a heart attack or you suddenly go into labor or you run over your foot with a lawnmower. On the insurance side of things, as I said, smaller companies have to cut coverage or limit access in order to compete on price with the giant conglomerates. While that may look like a "free market" at a glance, offering lesser coverage (e.g. a catastrophic coverage policy rather than full coverage) or blocking the guy who has a family history of colon cancer is not something that we should be aspiring to.

Realistically, if you have the principle that everyone should receive medical care if and when they need it, the only thing that makes sense is a single-payer, government-run system.
Blacks Lives Matter, for example, can offer their members health care and share the cost between members. They can cap the salary of a CEO at $100,000 and put it in their bylaws that every employee must make at least half of the salary of the CEO in order to keep costs affordable for patients. Anyone can incorporate and offer those same salaries and go into health insurance only, with a goal of making health insurance affordable for everyone.
What's the incentive for that? The government has a good reason to want a healthy population, but a private corporation? Please. Moreover, it's far from simple to run such a company.
A person should be able to CHOOSE insurance from companies other than the ones Obama and Pelosi decided to favor.
The ACA does not restrict what companies are permitted to participate in the marketplace. They must offer plans that meet certain standards (e.g. no rejecting people based on pre-existing conditions, no lifetime benefit caps, etc), but there's nothing that says that Joe & Mary's Family Insurance Co. can't list their plans on the marketplace. The main reason why you only see plans from the "big, fat, rich insurance companies" on the marketplace is because they have a huge risk pool, and thus can offer better rates for plans that meet the ACA standard. And people buying their plans on the marketplace are going to look at two seemingly identical plans and pick the one that costs $500 less per month.
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Federal judges block Texas from using its new US House map in the 2026 midterms

Some tidbits from the outvoted 5th Circuit judge

When a judge warns readers to “Fasten your seatbelts!” before a 104-page legal diatribe — best to buckle up.

[Judge Jerry] Smith, on the losing end of that 2-1 ruling, attacked the plaintiffs as tools of left-wing donors George and Alex Soros, who featured at least 17 times in the ruling.

While dissenting judges typically refer obliquely to the “majority” opinion, Smith’s relentlessly personal and withering opinion [used opinion author Judge] Brown’s name more than 360 times, often accompanied by colorful insults.

Smith lit into Brown as an “unskilled magician” who “prefers living in fantasyland.” Smith said Brown committed “pernicious judicial misbehavior” by racing to issue his opinion. Brown emphasized [this] was intended to allow Texas leaders to return to the state’s earlier congressional boundaries before a Dec. 8 deadline for candidates to declare their bids for Congress.

“Whether Judge Brown likes it, gravity exists,” Smith wrote.

Although judges typically couch their deliberations in a veil of secrecy, Smith revealed them in great detail, even quoting from the text of email exchanges with Brown as the ruling was being prepared.
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Anti-Muslim Bigotry Directed at Mamdani

I'm not all that concerned about "the Islam" factor of Mamdani.

If he was actually devout, then that may be some cause for concern, but given his political stances (both social and economic) he's clearly not a devout adherent to Islam.

In that debate between him, Cuomo, and that "Guardian Angel" wanna-be, he openly admitted to patronizing legal pot dispensaries, and his position on LGBTQ issues are pretty well-known, so clearly he's not that "strict".
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Did the beginning of the IDL change the beginning of the Jewish Sabbath?

Two people celebrating the Sabbath together in the Holy land. Then one travels west, the other travels east.

The one traveling west will celebrate about an hour later for each thousand miles they travel. The one traveling east, about an hour earlier.

When they meet up on the opposite side of the earth, they will be celebrating the Sabbath a day apart.

I love you all!
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The Lord's Wrath - How will it Happen

No. we will know soon enough.

As set out in Revelation 6:12-17, then many events, leading up to the glorious Return. in Rev 19:11.

A knee jerk reply totally lacking in scriptural or scientific support.

God does that, He commands the sun to send out a consuming fire to judge the peoples. Psalms 50:1-6

Your unintelligible comments and failure to prove what I point out from the Prophets- wrong, is your bad.

What you write is your very own bad interpretation of scripture. You read into it your own ideas Keras. And then, you dislike it when that is pointed out.
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US Rep. Sheila Cherfilus-McCormick of Florida indicted on charges of stealing $5M in disaster funds


All that power and wealth that comes with being a member of Congress seems like it was not enough.

Sophie Turner warns assisted dying bill could lead to people with eating disorders taking their own lives even when they might be able to recover

We're praying in Church, for it not to become law, and I've written to my MP twice, urging him to vote against it. I know others have written too. There are some of us in England and Wales who see the dangers of it going ahead, including many medical personnel and disability groups.
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Florida congressman investigated for alleged DC assault as police probe their own handling

Nancy Mace moves to force vote on censuring Cory Mills

Rep. Nancy Mace (R-S.C.) introduced a resolution to censure fellow Republican Rep. Cory Mills (Fla.) and remove him from committees Wednesday, listing allegations of harassment, assault, stolen valor and improper contracts by his arms sales company.

Mills has been at the center of numerous personal controversies this year. [stuff in posts #1 and #3]

Mace’s censure resolution references reporting in The Daytona Beach News-Journal questioning how and why he was awarded a Bronze Star, with two service members “disputing that Mills was involved in their rescue or provided live-saving care.”

And finally, Mace’s resolution notes Mills is under investigation by the House Ethics Committee after the Office of Congressional Conduct found that his companies “may have entered into, held, or enjoyed contracts with federal agencies while he was a Member of Congress in violation of House rules, standards of conduct, and federal law.”
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Dick Cheney, influential Republican vice president to George W. Bush, dies

Dick Cheney funeral: Biden to attend, Bush to deliver tribute

The service is being held Thursday at the National Cathedral.

Former President George W. Bush, who Cheney served for two terms, will offer a tribute at the service. According to the cathedral's program, Cheney's daughter, former congresswoman Liz Cheney, and his grandchildren will also give remarks.
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