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Left-Wing Terrorism Is on the Rise

The 1971 bombing was carried out by the Weather Underground, she wasn't associated with that group. She was associated with the group that splintered off from the Weather Underground, which carried out a bombing at the Capitol in 1983, but even then, she wasn't found to be directly involved.
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Two National Guard soldiers shot in Washington DC

It’s like people have completely forgotten what’s it’s like to not have someone constantly try to politicize every single thing that happens.

And speaking of politicizing, when is the President going to order the flag lowered for the death of one of our troops?
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DHS confirms arrest of Afghan man in Texas after bomb threat video surfaces online

Then what was the point of posting the video of the street preacher? What's that got to do with terrorism?
The stated need to put Islam into every home is aggressive. Wearing a mock suicide vest with wires hanging out is intimidating and agressive. Islamic terrorism is also aggressive. Do you agree that there are a lot of aggressive aspects with Islam?

Or am I not supposed to talk about these things?
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There’s a Giant Flaw in Human History

The nonsense perpetrated by @stevevw there is no evidence of the ancient Egyptians using conventional tools particularly during the Old Kingdom is refuted by the following table.

ParameterWhat It ShowsArchaeological EvidenceImplication (Supports Conventional Tools)
1. Surviving ToolsDirect physical proof of technology usedCopper chisels, stone hammers, dolerite pounders, bow drills, tubular copper drills, flint blades, polishing stones found in tombs, quarries, workshopsDemonstrates the tool types available and used — no unknown technology required
2. Workshop AssemblagesContext evidence of manufacturingFinds at Giza, Saqqara, Deir el-Medina, Aswan, Hierakonpolis show tool kits, unfinished objects, debitageConfirms how tools were applied in situ
3. Unfinished Artifacts“Frozen moments” of workPartially carved granite statues, bowls, and obelisks showing intermediate stagesShows step-by-step stages achievable using chiseling, pounding, rubbing, and drilling
4. Quarry Tool MarksDirect traces of working stoneDolerite pounding pits, copper chisel marks, wedge holes at Aswan, Gebel el-Silsila, TuraMatches tools that were found—no anomalous machining marks
5. Drill Holes Showing Spiral GroovesCharacteristic signature of rotary abrasionSpiral striations created by quartz sand abrasive + copper tube drillsMatches experimental reproduction; not consistent with high-speed machinery
6. Bow Drill EvidenceAttested drilling methodBow drills found in tombs; depictions in Old Kingdom tomb scenesExplains small circular holes and vessel hollowing
7. Tubular Copper DrillsExplains core drillingArchaeological copper tubes + cores from granite and limestoneReproduced experimentally to match Egyptian core geometry
8. Microstructure of Tool MarksReveals tool hardness and motionMicroscopy shows crushing, abrasion patterns, and quartz-sand scoringConsistent with pounding stones and sand abrasives, not high-speed cutting
9. Dolerite Pounding DepressionsMechanically distinct from carvingAswan quarries show large bowl-shaped depressions where dolerite was repeatedly hammeredDemonstrates long-term mechanical wear, consistent with manual pounding
10. Sand Abrasive ResiduesConfirms abrasive techniqueQuartz grains embedded in drill grooves and polishing scratchesMatches known Egyptian use of desert sand as abrasive
11. Relief Cutting EvidenceExplains shallow arcs and intricate shapesTool marks consistent with chisels, bow drills, and abrasion finishingNo anomalous cutting forces required
12. Overlapping Drill HolesTechnique for cutting curvesBow drills used to make multiple small holes that were later chiseled outArchaeologically known method for producing arcs and internal corners
13. Tube Drill Diameter LimitsConfirms realistic tool sizesMost copper tube drills 1–10 cm diameter; none at “micro” scaleSupports traditional methods; no micro-machining attested
14. Experimental ArchaeologyModern replication validates plausibilityEngineers (Stocks, Dunnell, Denys Stocks, stonemasons) replicated granite cutting, drilling, and vase-making with known toolsDemonstrates all observed marks can be reproduced without advanced technology
15. Tomb & Temple DepictionsVisual documentation of tool useOld Kingdom scenes show bow drills, pounders, chisels, saws, polishingNo depictions of unknown technologies
16. Stratigraphic ContextDates tools to correct periodsTools found in layers matching Old Kingdom and Middle Kingdom chronologyConfirms Egyptians had these tools at the time monuments were built
17. Lack of Residues from Advanced MachineryNegative evidenceNo metal alloys, bearings, lubricants, high-speed wear patternsStrongly argues against machinery of unknown type
18. Consistency Across SitesTool marks uniform across EgyptSame tools used in Saqqara, Giza, Aswan, Luxor, SinaiImplies widespread traditional craft, not lost advanced tech
19. Material Science LimitsCopper + quartz abrasive is adequateQuartz abrasive has Mohs hardness 7 → can cut granite at 6–7No exotic materials needed
20. Cultural ContinuitySkills evolved over centuriesOld to New Kingdom shows incremental improvementNo sudden appearance of advanced technology
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DHS confirms arrest of Afghan man in Texas after bomb threat video surfaces online

So it's just more general "Muslims bad"?
I never said that. This is a discussion about terrorism, and Islam. Whatever you would like to discuss in regards to the topic is open for discussion.

..If you want to complain, and divert attention elsewhere, then that's not open for discussion.
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Now does everyone understand why the "right to refuse illegal orders" video was made?

Yes, we should have known the boat strikes themselves are questionable as well as the use of U.S. Military to fight crime inside of America. So the idea that all the occupants of the boats are hardcore cartel members seems untrue. Criminals yes, but capital punishment seems quite harsh to me. To gun them down after an initial strike is the far worse crime.

There is a good article in the Wall Street Journal of how the drug boats,(called "go fasts." operate out of Columbia. (Here is the teaser, but it is behind a paywall).

The most basic way to ship includes a Pilot (Captain) some helpers and one representative from the drug shipper. The pilots often are former fishermen and know the waters really well. The interview with one of the workers suggested that they got 10k in cash for delivery. He acknowledged that some boats were being blown up but said he would probably do it again for 13k. "Crew members like the 29-year-old are more like freelancers—young men recruited for a job." The pilot makes the most money. No one seemed to think that the boats blowing up would slow the drug business down. That they would accept loads and do it as a sort of job.
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Zions New Children

Plenty of times! I'm only human.
But when I present what the Lords Prophets have said and people reject it, then they are 'throwing the baby out with the bathwater'.
That's because you don't understand, or won't accept, that you are posting your interpretation. Also, you have decided to apply various Scriptures to today.
Who says that a certain country will have nuclear bombs - not Zechariah, that's for sure. YOU have said that this is what Zechariah is saying in Zec 5 - a highly debateable conclusion.
And when people disagree with you - even your Pastor and those you refer to as "so called theologians"; instead of having the humility to say "maybe I need to look at this again", you adopt a martyr complex and say, "that's fine, they persecuted the prophets."

If you really were bringing some kind of message from God, I don't believe you'd be wrong. If there was something the Lord needed us all to know, he'd tell us, clearly, and his word would, I believe, be confirmed by others. John said we should test the spirits.

Surely we can all see that some kind of dramatic event must come soon; to finally resolve the worlds problems. We Christians know the Return of Jesus will do that.
Yes - but that's a long way from saying, "this will happen, then this - as mentioned by some OT prophets".

Jesus said that the Son of Man would come when people least expect him.
You seem to be saying that when X, Y and Z have taken place, then he will return and you give it 15-20 years.
I'm sticking with Jesus.
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Trump dispenses with trials, orders military strike on alleged Venezuelan drug-trafficking boat (Now up to 2, 3, 4...)

If you thought defending Epstein's ephebophila was as low as Megyn Kelly could go...

Megyn Kelly Stands By Second Strike To Finish Off Survivors Of Alleged Drug Boat: 'I'd Really Like To See Them Suffer'

" I would like Trump and Hegseth to make it last a long time so they lose a limb and bleed out a little," Kelly added​

Speaking during her show on Sirius XM, Kelly said she not only wanted to "see them killed in the water, whether they're on the boat or in the water," but would also "really like to see them suffer."
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The doctrine of imputation is hypocritical

It's what the doctrine of imputation is. Christ's works are imputed to us. That by itself means said to be ours. Logic leads me to understand that this makes imputation out to be salvation by our own works regardless of what the doctrine hereof was made up to explain. As for where in TPP, it's in the dialogue with Ignorance or in the second book, when the children are being catechized (IIRC).
Imputation is actually salvation by Christs works and righteousness given freely by grace to Gods elect.
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