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Larniavc · 2025-12-01T18:08:15-0600

Valletta said:
Donald Trump said on Sunday there was a “good chance” of a deal to end the war in Ukraine

When has Trump ever been correct when he ‘brokered’ peace? Name one conflict he brought to a close.

durangodawood · 2025-12-01T18:01:26-0600

Say it aint so said:
If he had just stopped with demanding just the jacket, and not insisted on not leaving the plane till he got his accompanying Velcro patches, the tolerant left would have seen the women's jacket completely understandable.

Patel then refused to leave the plane again, after noticing it was missing a few Velcro patches he wanted. A couple members of the FBI Swat team nearby found the patches he wanted, ran them over to the airport, and Patel finally departed the plane.

"Patches" would be a good cute name for him.

Ellesmere · 2025-12-01T17:54:54-0600

"Since Tyndale’s English translation in 1526, translators and publishers have created approximately 900 different English Bibles, making it hard to know which to choose.

In the end, no single version of the Bible will perfectly capture every thought or nuance communicated through the Hebrew, Greek, or Aramaic writing in our available manuscripts."

- https://bibleproject.com/articles/does-a-most-accurate-bible-translation-exist/*
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More Americans are now reading the Bible but fewer believe it’s 100% accurate:

The premise for this thread and its title are somewhat misleading - there has been no need to go outside the Christian community itself to find those who would question the accuracy of the translation of events contained in the Bible!

Even within Christianity's 3 major divisions, there is no consensus that even extends to the number of books that merit inclusion in the Bible!#

Protestant Bible - 66 books as determined by Martin Luther
Catholic Bible - 73 books - compiled and translated by St Jerome and confirmed as the Church's canon by the Council of Rome (382 AD)
Eastern Orthodox - 76 books

The Apocrypha, the 7 additional books found in the Catholic and Orthodox Bibles., were removed by Martin Lither – Tobit, Judith, 1st and 2nd Maccabees, Wisdom of Solomon, Sirach (or Wisdom of Jesus the Son of Sirach), and Baruch.

In addition to the removal of these 7 books (Apocrypha), Luther also removed
- Daniel 13
- Daniel 14
- John 7 verse 53 -8;11

Luther also moved four New Testament books—Hebrews, James, Jude, and Revelation to the back of his Bible translation as a means to reduce their influence, referring to these New Testament books "epistles of straw" or "Judaizing nonsense" because they contradicted his theology.

The fact that there are significant differences in the Bibles representing the major branches within Christianity also reinforces the contradictions that exist that apparently can't be reconciled!

Add to this the almost 900 Bibles translated since 1526 in English alone, further reflects the ongoing discontent within Christianity that the existing language in the Scriptures fail to convey the same message in the 21st C and/or whether they reflect the beliefs of the reader!

Multifavs · 2025-12-01T17:42:24-0600

The terms "robotic life form" and "inorganic life form" used in video games in recent years bug me. Isn't that an oxymoron?

Hentenza · 2025-12-01T17:40:45-0600

BobRyan said:
1. I am happy for anyone to quote whatever texts they like
2. I notice you objected to the texts I quote right out of the gate as though the mere quote of the text was a problem for your view.

I find that "instructive"

Hence my quote of the "eternal fire text in Matt 25 in my earlier post.

yep there it was with the added "eternal fire" texts that it seems you are still trying to avoid, even though they fit with Matt 25 perfect.
How "instructive" for the reader

Matt. 25 is not talking about Sodom and Gomorrah hence the reason why I started with this verse. Your association between this verse and the verses in Jude and 2 Peter is pure speculation.

Secondly, the material burns and turns to ashes but not the immaterial. The same as our bodies decompose in the ground but our souls do not.

d taylor · 2025-12-01T17:38:05-0600

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“Enter by the narrow gate; for wide is the gate and broad is the way that leads to destruction, and there are many who go in by it. Because narrow is the gate and difficult is the way which leads to life, and there are few who find it.

The narrow gate is Jesus and the only way to enter by the narrow gate, is by belief in Jesus for Eternal Life.

The way is difficult because people believe belief in Jesus is not the way. They believe they must repent of sin, be obedient, be baptized, etc... So they are not believing in Jesus, but is actions they do.

rambot · 2025-12-01T17:36:50-0600

Oompa Loompa said:
Are you saying that fraud is a part of their heritage and we should respect it as a part of their enriching culture?

I asked you a question....so no..i wouldn't be saying anything.

It's telling you're unwilling to answer so simple of a question.

Take that self awareness with you.

Chesterton · 2025-12-01T17:32:58-0600

Dice likes the terms anti-white racism, and anti-whiteness. I disagree with him there. I think all racism is just racism.

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Hentenza · 2025-12-01T17:30:14-0600

BobRyan said:
parables are funny that way.

Luke 16 is great example of no one praying to God and asking Him for anything at all. A wonderful parable making the point (that almost no one who references Luke 16 chooses to mention) "IF they do not listen to Moses, neither will they listen if one rises from the dead".

Again we read the full text, the spirits in prison, is limited in the text to those that were alive during the time the Ark was being built, and Noah was preaching.

Parable? I thought you guys read the Bible literally when it comes to defending the sabbath but now symbolically for annihilation? That’s consistent.

This is not a parable and it does not state as such. In fact the story starts with “Now there was a rich man” so there was one because Jesus said so. Jesus even describes what he wears. And there was a poor man because Jesus said so. And the poor man even had a name, Lazarus. So this is an actual poor man named Lazarus. It’s not a figment of Jesus imagination but an actual person with a name.

““Now there was a rich man, and he habitually dressed in purple and fine linen, enjoying himself in splendor every day. And a poor man named Lazarus was laid at his gate, covered with sores,”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭16‬:‭19‬-‭20‬ ‭NASB2020‬‬

Luke 16:19-20 “Now there was a rich man, and he habitually dressed in purple and fine linen, enjoying himself in splendor every day. And a poor man named Lazarus was laid at his gate, covered with sores | New American Standard Bible - NASB (NASB2020)

“Now there was a rich man, and he habitually dressed in purple and fine linen, enjoying himself in splendor every day. And a poor man named Lazarus was laid at his gate, covered with sores

bible.com

I’ll start here. We’ll continue with the rest of the story ones we get the obvious out of the way.

Always in His Presence · 2025-12-01T17:29:15-0600

Guojing said:
You are talking to a new person.

The quotes are still there.

RainySunflower · 2025-12-01T17:28:40-0600

Hans Blaster said:
1. It's Fiction
2. The end indicates it is a dream.
3. The clip is mocking people like you.

Nice try, but no. ^^ I trust in i-word aka secret society to telling us stuff in forward.

This is nice example of that.

i-word - card game ......

From - 1980s.

Bob Crowley · 2025-12-01T17:22:28-0600

I live in Logan City (west) so a bit of distance from you in Redcliffe. I didn't play last year, but I played Masters Hockey for some years in the Brisbane competition. We would sometimes have a game in Redcliffe (fairly close to the hospital) which was annoying as it was a long way to go for a hockey game! (66 kms plus return)

I think the climate has changed a bit locally. Like you I can remember the clockwork storms (Newmarket in those days). It would be hot and steamy; the storm would sweep in and cool everything down. But the next morning the heat and humidity would be back.

I think the northside is more prone to storms generally than the southside of Brisbane but that's just my opinion. The weather bureau might have a different opinion.

I also think the westerly winds that used to hit during RNA week in August are nowhere near as strong as they used to be. At one time you could almost set your August calendar by their appearance, but now they hardly seem to be noticeable.

I think the climate is changing.

Oompa Loompa · 2025-12-01T17:19:11-0600

rambot said:
How important is their heritage to you?

Are you saying that fraud is a part of their heritage and we should respect it as a part of their enriching culture?

Hentenza · 2025-12-01T17:19:05-0600

BobRyan said:
Actually I am merely quoting the texts that you seem to find inconvenient.

My statement was that we do not get to the meaning of the Bible teaching on this topic by ignoring every detail in the texts that speak to the topic.

"the wages of sin is death" not eternal life , see Rom 8.

"the soul that sins it shall die" Ezek 18:4. That is speaking of the second death, seen in Rev 20. In Ezek 18 only the wicked die. That is not the case with the first death, the one that all die. It is only true of the second death , mentioned in Rev 21.

Funny that you don’t quote the verses that disagree with your doctrine. Let’s start with the obvious ones and work our way to others.

““Then He will also say to those on His left, ‘Depart from Me, you accursed people, into the eternal fire which has been prepared for the devil and his angels;”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭25‬:‭41‬ ‭NASB2020‬‬

Matthew 25:41 “Then He will also say to those on His left, ‘Depart from Me, you accursed people, into the eternal fire which has been prepared for the devil and his angels | New American Standard Bible - NASB (NASB2020) | Download The Bible App Now

“Then He will also say to those on His left, ‘Depart from Me, you accursed people, into the eternal fire which has been prepared for the devil and his angels

bible.com

Is the fire eternal but the people annihilated? So why the eternal fire?

timewerx · 2025-12-01T17:14:18-0600

In this dream, I visited USA in LA as a tourist. We have relatives in LA so I stayed at their house. Then I saw live news of an attack also in LA just several blocks away our relative's house.

At first the authorities say a gas line had ruptured in small business compound and they sent firetrucks and police to handle the situation but they were quickly overcome by what seemed like a deliberate attack and then they sent the National guard who started shooting heavy ammunition towards the compound and they themselves were defeated as well.

It seems whatever they're shooting at inside the building is invulnerable to heavy machine gun fire which penetrated the building structure but not whatever is attacking inside. The National guard then retreated and attack seemed to cease.

With my utter curiosity, me and my sister walked towards ground-zero of the attack which has been cleared of all police, fire trucks, and the army as if nothing had happened. There were people (civilians) who are already at the building that's the source of the attack who appeared friendly and surprisingly invited us in.

We met the owner of the building who is an old man. He had lots of big dogs who barked at us at first but eventually became friendly. Then the old man showed us the source of the attacks and they were 9 to 10 ft tall ape-like creatures with dark gray hair who stood upright who looked like yetis and were very muscular.

They attacked with an unknown energy beam that came from their bodies. The creatures were gathering at the grounds of the building. We approached them but they seemed indifferent. Ironically, they looked harmless and didn't seem to care about our presence.

We then spent the night in one of the nearby houses of one of the people were there who gathered with the creatures. Past midnight, me and my sister returned to the compound where the creatures are gathering. The big dogs came to welcome us. and we saw the creatures who were now in formation, poised to do something. Then simultaneously, they fired their energy beams towards the neighborhood where we took a nap. The ground collapsed beneath the entire neighborhood, including the ground beneath the compound. It caused a massive landslide and took us with it. Incredibly, nobody died but I lost everything we brought with the trip, including my work laptop and phone!

I worried a lot about my work that I'm going to miss a day or more and finding a way to let my bosses know without my stuff and having to guess their emails!

It's really ironic when I'm worried about my work more when it seems the world is about to ended by a bunch of bullet-proof Yetis with superpowers.

The yetis then vanished somehow but with the entire USA in panic and the army mobilized expecting another, possibly bigger attack.

Chesterton · 2025-12-01T17:13:25-0600

Shem's a runner?

Chesterton · 2025-12-01T17:12:04-0600

"W" is like "D". (Because they start with the same sound.)

STUP

Chesterton · 2025-12-01T17:09:52-0600

Nobody finds liberal unicorns ever.

UNICO

essentialsaltes · 2025-12-01T17:06:51-0600

BPPLEE said:
Spitting on someone is

It certainly could be.

Bovino testified that merely touching an agent “could be assault depending on the situation. Spitting on someone could be assault.”

rjs330 · 2025-12-01T17:03:48-0600

BCP1928 said:
I did before I posted. (checks again) Yep. Still the same:

"A girl or young woman who exhibits masculine traits through her activities, behaviors and style."

Please note it is referring to a girl or young woman. Which has always been a reference to their sex. And this girl exhibits masculine traits, which is typically a reference she likes to do things boys like to do, such as hunt, fish, wrestle or play tackle football. The question quickly becomes is can't you be a girl inside and out and still like to do those things?

BCP1928 said:
Why is trans OK with you if you get to call a trans person a "Tomboy? instead of a "boy?" If being trans is a sin, it's a sin whether you call a trans person a tomboy or a boy. Could you also say "butch" or "dyke" without offending your religious sensibilities?

Who calls a trans person a tomboy? What in earth is your point here? Where did you get the idea that tomboys are trans? Can't some girls like some boy things and still be girls? Who made the rule that if you are a tomboy you must be trans? (Or even lesbian).

BPPLEE · 2025-12-01T17:03:28-0600

essentialsaltes said:
Right, an act of speech or writing is not an assault.

Spitting on someone is

Brightfame52 · 2025-12-01T17:03:07-0600

For all those Christ died His death exclusively for them acquired:

The invalidation and dissolution of death of his power, Heb. 2:14

14 Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil;

2Tim 1:10

10 But is now made manifest by the appearing of our Saviour Jesus Christ, who hath abolished death, and hath brought life and immortality to light through the gospel:

All for whom Christ died He will make alive from the dead, even spiritual death, it for them has been invalidated.9

Always in His Presence · 2025-12-01T16:59:55-0600

Guojing said:
At least include the scripture reference if you want an answer.

I've already quoted it twice.

Chesterton · 2025-12-01T16:59:50-0600

I don't mean to sound vain, but truth be told, I was highly intelligent from a very young age. At just over 24 hours old, with no training in mathematics, this little single cell was already doing division.

Those first nine months were the best months of my life. I was comfortable, warm and safe. Everything was soft, peaceful and quiet. [fart joke deleted] It was like being in a paradisiacal Garden. No rent, no mortgage. I toiled not for my food, it was given like manna from Heaven. I didn't even have to breathe! How cool is that? It was like what 20 year old Communists think Communism is like as long as they've never endured it.

Very early on though, I did have a slightly disappointing notion that I was meant for something more. Don't get me wrong, there's no shame in being in utero. It's just that I felt my potential was somewhat limited.

Eventually, like the Jews in the wilderness, I started complaining. The accomodations were not to my liking. I began to get restless. At about 20 weeks, I began moving. But there was nowhere to move to.

Then one day, something strange happened. I had the sensation of being pushed, and although they were muffled, I could hear the anguished cries, screams, yells, grunts and moans of someone who was obviously being tortured. "May God curse the cruel person responsible for inflicting such torment!" said I.

On a sudden, I realized I was being pushed towards the place (whatever a "place" is) from which this weeping and gnashing of teeth emanated. I was sure I was dying, and if I wasn't dying, I wanted no part of this place.

So I devised a plan. I managed to turn myself around 180 degrees from the direction towards which I was being pushed. That way, I could use my feet to brace against the forward motion. In the process I managed to wrap my umbilical cord around my neck. My memory is foggy; I can't recall if this was an accident or a suicide attempt.

In any event, my plan was foiled. My mother later told me that the doctor decided at the last minute that he had to do an emergency C-section to save both our lives. Afterwards the doctor told my mom that it was the longest, bloodiest and most dangerous C-section he'd ever done.* Mom never forgave me for that, and loved to remind me of it on every birthday of mine.

The only other things I remember of that day are being cold, and being physically assaulted by a slap to the butt, completely unprovoked. This was not good. Then I knew that man is born unto trouble, as the sparks fly upward.

* The stuff about trying to come out feet first, getting the cord around my neck, and the bloody C-section is true.

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