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Factotum · 2025-12-09T09:14:24-0600

RDKirk said:
The last 30 years of the 20th century.

If you mean 1969 - 1999, can you give some examples?? I can't seem to find any military counsels' refusals to bow down when I consider thing's like... Vietnam, Libya 1986, Desert Storm, etc...

Lukaris · 2025-12-09T09:09:51-0600

Larniavc said:
Yea

Yeah But how many janitors marry Kennedys? There is still a rigid caste system in late stage capitalist countries.

I do warehouse and janitorial work and if I lived in India, I would probably be a Dalit stuck in a caste system with thousands of years of formal structure. It would be the result of my karma and my underclass status would be deserved because of past lives I supposedly wasn’t “enlightened” to deserve better. Capitalism hasn’t discriminated against me religiously, culturally or socioeconomically. Capitalism can thrive if people have civil rights and economic opportunity. If I didn’t have a low IQ, I would probably do better in a capitalist system.

It seems like secularists can rationalize a caste system from economic data in a secular economy and equate wealth & poverty ( which is a human condition) with a structural economic disparity of a formal caste system that is based on primitive religiosity of a concept like karma. Capitalism can be good or bad depending on obvious economic and social conditions.

The case of the Dalits in holdovers from the caste system in India:

Socioeconomic status and discrimination

Discrimination against Dalits has been observed across South Asia and among the South Asian diaspora. In 2001, the quality of life of the Dalit population in India was worse than that of the overall Indian population on metrics such as access to health care, life expectancy, education attainability, access to drinking water and housing.[64][65][66] According to a 2007 report by Human Rights Watch (HRW), the treatment of Dalits has been like a "hidden apartheid" and that they "endure segregation in housing, schools, and access to public services". HRW noted that Manmohan Singh, then Prime Minister of India, saw a parallel between the apartheid system and untouchability.[67] Eleanor Zelliotalso notes Singh's 2006 comment but says that, despite the obvious similarities, race prejudice and the situation of Dalits "have a different basis and perhaps a different solution".[27] Though the Indian Constitution abolished untouchability, the oppressed status of Dalits remains a reality. In rural India, stated Klaus Klostermaier in 2010, "they still live in secluded quarters, do the dirtiest work, and are not allowed to use the village well and other common facilities".[68] In the same year, Zelliot noted that "In spite of much progress over the last sixty years, Dalits are still at the social and economic bottom of society."[27]

According to the 2014 NCAER/University of Maryland survey, 27 per cent of the Indian population still practices untouchability; the figure may be higher because many people refuse to acknowledge doing so when questioned, although the methodology of the survey was also criticised for potentially inflating the figure.[69] Across India, Untouchability was practised among 52 per cent of Brahmins, 33 per cent of Other Backward Classes and 24 per cent of non-Brahmin forward castes.[70] Untouchability was also practised by people of minority religions – 23 per cent of Sikhs, 18 per cent of Muslims and 5 per cent of Christians.[71]According to statewide data, Untouchability is most commonly practised in Madhya Pradesh (53 per cent), followed by Himachal Pradesh (50 per cent), Chhattisgarh (48 per cent), Rajasthan and Bihar (47 per cent), Uttar Pradesh (43 per cent), and Uttarakhand (40 per cent).[72]

Dalit - Wikipedia

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Ecclesiastes 12:1-14, Romans 13:1-14

Aryeh Jay · 2025-12-09T09:07:36-0600

Larniavc said:
America really is the 80s mini series ‘V’.

durangodawood · 2025-12-09T09:06:35-0600

RDKirk said:
I do think the major Mexican and South American cartels do all four.

So has it often been with organized crime.

Still, if we are going to bring acts of war rather than law enforcement upon organized crime groups, then congress need to take the lead, as the constitution prescribes.

But why would the Trump admin wait for that when loads of its base in the electorate and in congress are more loyal to the man than to the constitution?

Factotum · 2025-12-09T09:01:40-0600

wing2000 said:
The US military has not previously directly attacked drug operations. However, the military has provided intelligence support to Latin American militaries:

"In the 1990s, the U.S. military assisted Colombian and Peruvian antidrug law enforcement activities by sharing information about civilian flights suspected of carrying drugs — like radar data and communications intercepts. But after those governments started shooting down such planes, the Clinton administration in 1994 halted the assistance for months.
The Office of Legal Counsel produced an opinion saying that military officers who provided such information while knowing it would be used to summarily shoot down those aircraft could be putting themselves at risk of later prosecution. Congress eventually modified U.S. law to permit such assistance.

And the Navy has long participated in intercepting vessels in international waters that are suspected of smuggling drugs toward the United States. But naval ships typically do so as a law enforcement operation, working under the command of a U.S. Coast Guard officer. Under an 1878 law called the Posse Comitatus Act, it is generally illegal to use the military to perform law enforcement functions."

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/08/08/us/trump-military-drug-cartels.html

....and such operations can lead to misidentifcation and inocent civilians dying:

"On 20 April 2001, the Peruvian Air Force (FAP) shot down a civilian floatplane, killing American Christian missionary Veronica "Roni" Bowers and her infant daughter Charity.[1]

While flying into the Loreto Region of Peru, Bowers, her daughter Charity, husband Jim, and six-year-old son Cory were being followed by a United States Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) observation plane. The Peruvian Air Force was operating as part of the Air Bridge Denial Program. The CIA did not attempt to identify the tail number of the church-owned plane per procedure."

2001 Peru Cessna 185 shootdown - Wikipedia

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This is great idea info. Thanks for sharing!
I had 2 questions after reading it;

▪︎Do you know how many months, the Clinton Admin waited, before continuing to aid Peruvian and Colombian GOVTs with the bombing of those planes --while awaiting Congress to modify the laws?
▪︎If you are aware of Sen. John Fetterman rejecting Adam Schiff's recent attempt to end Trump's power to bomb Caribbean drug trafficking boats... can you list why you would dispute or support Fetterman 's stance?

orbiter · 2025-12-09T08:58:24-0600

Peace in Christ.

This is the “death” that we are to die: bearing about in the body the dying of the Lord Jesus so that His life might be made manifest in our body….in our MORTAL FLESH. This is the keeping of His “daily” sacrifice as we are to ALWAYS do it. We then manifest the Son of man to the outside world by doing so. The people of the outside world who are sitting in deep darkness will then "see" Him made manifest through us by looking at us. They will come to His manifestation through us. They will come as a "cloud" as the Son of man comes upon a cloud of EYEWITNESSES of His glory that they will see through us who manifest it to them.

2Co 4:10-11 KJV
(10) Always bearing about in the body the dying of the Lord Jesus, that the life also of Jesus might be made manifest in our body.
(11) For we which live are alway delivered unto death for Jesus' sake, that the life also of Jesus might be made manifest in our mortal flesh.

But currently, the Son of man is “going away”…sinking out of view from this earth…as His life is not being made manifest in the man-based churches as the Son of man is being given up/betrayed into the hands of sinners. The people of the outside world are in complete spiritual darkness as they do not see the form of Christ nor do they have the knowledge of the glory of God.

We are “asleep” to this fact in the man-based churches and we need to “awake” …to “behold”…to perceive… what is really going on in them: He is being betrayed (PRESENT TENSE) now in the man-based churches who know not what they are doing. The man-based churches will not believe in this knowledge when they will hear it.

Mar 14:41-42
(41) And he cometh the third time, and saith unto them, Sleep on now, and take your rest: it is enough, the hour is come; behold, the Son of man is betrayed (present tense) into the hands of sinners.

We are to “awake” (RISE UP= awaken) to this fact and take action and GO away from them: “let us go.”

We must come out from among them and be separate and be no longer attached to the unclean body of the man-based churches where His life is being given up.

(42) Rise up, let us go; lo, he that betrayeth me is at hand.

The Son of THE man is being betrayed PRESENT TENSE)!

Mat 26:24
(24) The Son of (definite article: THE) man goeth as it is written of him: but woe unto that man by whom the Son of (THE) man is betrayed (PRESENT TENSE)! it had been good for that man if he had not been born.

The people of the outside world who are sitting in deep darkness cannot now “see” His life shine through us for He is being currently given up so that His life is not being made manifest in the mortal flesh of any of the man-based church goers.

The Son of THE man (man = Anthropos - From aner and ops (the countenance; from optanomai). Aner = man and “ops” = EYE.

Optanomai = the first a (middle voice) prolonged form of the second (primary) which is used for it in certain tenses; and both as alternates of G3708; to gaze (that is, with wide open eyes, as at something remarkable;

The outside people (the anthropos) are to SEE….to GAZE with wide eyes at something remarkable: the manifestation of the life of the SON of God made through the flesh of His people. The Son of the "man"...the anthropos...as the outside people of the world will see the Son and consider what they are seeing.

They …the anthropos…will “see” Him manifest through us and will consider. Kings will SEE something remarkable with their eyes. They will see the King of kings and the Lord of lords through us. He makes us kings and priests through His manifestation of His glory in us to them.

Isa 49:7 KJV
(7) Thus saith the LORD, the Redeemer of Israel, and his Holy One, to him whom man despiseth, to him whom the nation abhorreth, to a servant of rulers, Kings shall see and arise, princes also shall worship, because of the LORD that is faithful, and the Holy One of Israel, and he shall choose thee.

Kings shall SEE His "visage"...His view....and they will consider Him at the VIEWING of the Son whom we manifest to their eyes. They will see the Son of the man…the seeing man that will consider what he is seeing with eyes wide open to this remarkable sight of Him at their viewing of Him made manifest through us.

Isa 52:14-15 KJV
(14) As many were astonied at thee; his visage was so marred more than any man, and his form more than the sons of men:
(15) So shall he sprinkle many nations; the kings shall shut their mouths at him: for that which had not been told them shall they see; and that which they had not heard shall they consider.

Aryeh Jay · 2025-12-09T08:58:23-0600

I can remember when FBI de- escalate meant shooting the wife, kid, and dog.

BNR32FAN · 2025-12-09T08:55:41-0600

Postvieww said:
My only reason for responding the way I did is the fact that many anti gun proponents use scripture to try and make the gun the problem. My only point was the weapon is not the problem it is the person using it . If it was the weapon that was bad I do not believe Jesus would said to get one in any context.

Yeah I agree, there is nothing wrong with carrying a weapon it all depends on what you intend to do with it.

probinson · 2025-12-09T08:54:35-0600

DaisyDay said:
What is the evidence that infants receiving the vaccine 24 hours after birth have a better or worse outcome than those receiving it at three months?

What is the evidence that newborns at low risk who receive the birth-dose have better outcomes than those who don't?

probinson · 2025-12-09T08:53:20-0600

DaisyDay said:
If you pay attention to these posts you would know that "saturated with lies and misinfo" aren't my words so putting them in quotes and declaring them to be my beliefs is careless or worse.

I know they're not your words. But they were indeed a quote from someone in this thread. Your words were not "proof of anything".

DaisyDay said:
I don't think VAERS is saturated with lies - although lies are put in by some people for their own agendas - there is much misinformation primarily, imo, because correlation is not causation but such correlations when they reach a concerning significance trigger investigation. Tracking trends is done by statistics to filter noise from data, which are then studied. This is pretty basic.

Do you have any evidence that is occurring? Every time VAERS is brought up., it is immediately dismissed. No one attempts to "filter noise from data". They simply point out some obviously ridiculous example as a reason to discard everything. You do it later in this very post, where you point out that someone got run over by a bus. That seems to be the MO. Find one crazy report that is clearly false as a reason to discard everything else.

Have you ever read a VAERS report that concerned you? Have you ever actually done what you suggest here and filtered the noise from the data?

DaisyDay said:
Have you ever looked into the VAERS database yourself and actually read some the cases as submitted?

Yes. Have you?

I've even submitted two VAERS reports of my own: one for me and one for my daughter. We had very severe and concerning reactions to the COVID vaccination. I reported thinking maybe someone would follow up. But no one ever did. I guess temporary paralysis and fevers of 105 aren't "severe" enough to warrant further investigation.

DaisyDay said:
One case was of a patient who died some time after getting a covid vaccine, but she had also been run over by a bus (or something similar, this was a while back so I don't recall the exact details) shortly before dying. VAERS had this flagged as death post vaccine which was true chronologically. Now, if hundreds of patients died by bus post vaccine, then that should be looked into as well as to why.

Again, have you ever read a VAERS report you found concerning?

DaisyDay said:
There is a ginormous difference between evidence and proof.

Boy, ain't that the truth.

essentialsaltes · 2025-12-09T08:50:16-0600

No, you, unilaterally, would not be allowed to do that. We The People can do that.

I don't know if it's enhanced our National Security, but Trump has enhanced China's access to more advanced chips.

Well, at least we're getting our $25%.

BNR32FAN · 2025-12-09T08:49:08-0600

Mercy Shown said:
Christ often used things like parables, hyperbole, metaphors, and similes to make his point.

For instance he commanded that we be perfect even as God is perfect and yet none of us are in ourselves.

Jesus gave extreme commands to people at times that were all but impossible to obey such as telling a man who had been lame for 30 plus years to take up his bed roll and walk. Or commanding a person with a withered hand to stretch it out.

These commands fortunately came with his divine power so that the impossible became possible.

Unfortunately many who are obsessed with social Justice are attempting the impossible by their own power. They believe that what they deem as just and unjust is a fact and that could be the biggest log they have in their eye.

The industry of social Justice is a very hard place to check one’s ego where as in the gosple the ego finds no purchase.

What was the point of the statement? Get the beam out of your own eye then you will see clearly enough to take the speck from your brother’s eye.

A2SG · 2025-12-09T08:48:31-0600

wing2000 said:
Hernandez is believed to be in the United States after Trump pardoned him.

Is he here illegally? Can he be deported?

-- A2SG, asking for a friend....

Aryeh Jay · 2025-12-09T08:46:41-0600

iluvatar5150 said:
If I wanted to get cute, I could point out that, with a sample size of 1, it's actually Jews who have the highest propensity for establishing ethnonationalist state entities in the regions they control.

Yep, 110%, with a 10 point margin of error.

stevevw · 2025-12-09T08:45:21-0600

sjastro said:
Get through your thick skull you have not presented a shred of evidence of anything in this thread that supports your nonsense.

Except for the clear observational evidence of melted, weakened or softened stones. I gave you th evidence you you skipped it. Its easy to claim no evidence when you skip it.

sjastro said:
The sheer stupidity is for you give lectures to educated individuals in this thread who at the very least know what evidence means.
Evidence is physical in nature, it is measurable and/or observable not your idiotic definition where it is derivable and interpretable according to one's bias.

So what do you think this is. How is this stupid. It is you I think who is being silly by claiming that this is not evidence for stone melting and softening.

First image vitrified and melted stones at Dun Knock Hill Fort. Image two softened stones showing vitrification and flaking of surface at Cusco. Image 3 melted and fused stones of vitrified ramparts in Scotland. The paper for this was in the video I linked.

So I fail to see how you claim there was no evidence.

Just in case you want to dismiss the above heres some more.

Reproduction of melting behavior for vitrified hillforts based on amphibolite, granite, and basalt lithologies - Scientific Reports

European Bronze and Iron Age vitrified hillforts have been known since the 1700s, but archaeological interpretations regarding their function and use are still debated. We carried out a series of experiments to constrain conditions that led to the vitrification of the inner wall rocks in the...

www.nature.com

sjastro said:
When it comes to melted or softened stone in the case of Egyptology there is not a shred of evidence of any physical changes occurring when subjected to petrological testing as shown in my previous post.

Its not just about Egypt. But they definitely had some way of softening stones. Similar signatures are found between the Egyptian stones in walls and the Purvians.

I gave you the paper on the tests which showed that the cast blocks at Menkaure pyramid. They found Diatomaceous Earth (DE) within the mix which was not natural to limestone. Its easy to claim no evidence when you ignore it.

Then theres the scoop marks. You ignored all that evidence. Never mentioned it once. All you did was claim they used bigger pounders without one bit of evidence. Just like the claim that the split the pyramid blocks within evidence. Contradicting your own side that the blocks were hand sawed.

You forget I provided images of softened stones on the Temples around the pyramids and within the cemetaries east and west. You fobbed this off with the stock standard unsupported claim that the Egyptians must have pounded and ground the stone to look like it spread like putty within cracks lol. I guess pounding and grinding can do anything. But you provided absolutely no evidence for this.

So please be consistent and deal with that evidence. Either provide the same level of demands you want of me with peer review or something scientific showing that this was done by grinding or stop making unsubstanciated claims and then have the hide to claim I have provided no evidence. Its easy to make that claim when you ignore or dismiss my evidence.

I have more than provided evidence that the ancients were able to melt, soften, fuse, reconstitute and weaken stones. And I am not going back to reprove what I have already linked that you ignored. If you want to dispute this then find the links as I am not redoing this for the 5th time lol.

sjastro said:
If concentrating on Egypt is too narrow by all means supply petrological tests for any of your non Egyptian images showing the rock has been physically changed.
Otherwise as you have demonstrated images are subject to interpretation where bias not evidence is the determining factor.

Already did last post and you ignored it. So please go back and check. As well as what is provided above.

RDKirk · 2025-12-09T08:44:00-0600

wing2000 said:
Agreed. But tell me, what is the intent of drug cartels?

Is it to:

(i) to intimidate or coerce a civilian population;
(ii) to influence the policy of a government by intimidation or coercion; or
(iii) to affect the conduct of a government by mass destruction, assassination, or kidnapping;

....or, perhaps, make a profit on an illegal substance?

I do think the major Mexican and South American cartels do all four.

Aryeh Jay · 2025-12-09T08:43:12-0600

Factotum said:
LOL
remember now, I was referencing the time period 14jun1775 - 09dec2025.

Okay, so why include 5070 days in which there was no U.S. President? I mean, if you want a bigger spread, just go back to 12 October 1492.

wing2000 · 2025-12-09T08:41:51-0600

Factotum said:
I think you have me mistaken, good friend. I dont get to pick nor choose a thing.

Agreed. But tell me, what is the intent of drug cartels?

Is it to:

(i) to intimidate or coerce a civilian population;
(ii) to influence the policy of a government by intimidation or coercion; or
(iii) to affect the conduct of a government by mass destruction, assassination, or kidnapping;

....or, perhaps, make a profit on an illegal substance?

DaisyDay · 2025-12-09T08:41:25-0600

What is the evidence that infants receiving the vaccine 24 hours after birth have a better or worse outcome than those receiving it at three months?

iluvatar5150 · 2025-12-09T08:41:18-0600

ThatRobGuy said:
I've provided the numbers before, pretending the two are equivalents would be dishonest.

One clearly has a higher propensity for that type of preference for power consolidation.

State religion - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Roughly half of the ~50 Muslim majority countries end up with an officially codified state religion that gets special constitutional treatment (and severe punishments for insulting the faith or leaving the faith)

Of the ~120 Christian majority countries, a much smaller percentage of those have an official state religion, and of the ones that do, most are a historical holdover/relic that's no longer enforced or carries any legal weight. (for example, the Icelandic government isn't throwing rocks at anyone for leaving the Church of Iceland)

So while one can say "they both do it, so that means it's a wash", that's too blunt an instrument to perform any pragmatic problem solving or knowing what needs more focus.

In the same way that if:
Bill drinks 4 beers a night
Ted drinks 15 beers every night

Yeah, we can say "they both have a drinking problem", sure...but clearly one needs more urgent "priority focus" in regards to tackling the problem.

If I wanted to get cute, I could point out that, with a sample size of 1, it's actually Jews who have the highest propensity for establishing ethnonationalist state entities in the regions they control.

RDKirk · 2025-12-09T08:41:09-0600

Factotum said:
Sir can you please list a Presidential Administration, after the day of 14jun1775, where military lawyers did NOT bow to the political tides and ideology of whoever happened to be in power at that time?

The last 30 years of the 20th century.

samaus123456789 · 2025-12-09T08:39:13-0600

CLEEB said:
Even though true I am not anti-Semitic . There are many scriptures to prove Jerusalem is the harlot city. Revelation 11:8 Too many people today don’t realize that if that day is not Far off they will be worshiping the man of sin. Revelation 12:9 People refuse to believe that Satan has indeed deceived the world. The big revival they say is coming is when they are worshiping the man of sin. Then if you try to warn them you make yourself a target.

Yes the Christian zionists. They don't like to hear anything contrary to what they believe. It is hard to talk to them.

BCP1928 · 2025-12-09T08:31:39-0600

ThatRobGuy said:
I've provided the numbers before, pretending the two are equivalents would be dishonest.

One clearly has a higher propensity for that type of preference for power consolidation.

State religion - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Roughly half of the ~50 Muslim majority countries end up with an officially codified state religion that gets special constitutional treatment (and severe punishments for insulting the faith or leaving the faith)

Of the ~120 Christian majority countries, a much smaller percentage of those have an official state religion, and of the ones that do, most are a historical holdover/relic that's no longer enforced or carries any legal weight. (for example, the Icelandic government isn't throwing rocks at anyone for leaving the Church of Iceland)

So while one can say "they both do it, so that means it's a wash", that's too blunt an instrument to perform any pragmatic problem solving or knowing what needs more focus.

In the same way that if:
Bill drinks 4 beers a night
Ted drinks 15 beers every night

Yeah, we can say "they both have a drinking problem", sure...but clearly one needs more urgent "priority focus" in regards to tackling the problem.

Many people of various religions over the years have immigrated because of the religious freedom we offer. I personally know Moslems who have done the same, yet you assert that it is impossible for them.

Yarddog · 2025-12-09T08:27:40-0600

BCP1928 said:
Only Congress can stop the President from waging war without their declaration. They won't, because they're MAGA

Sadly, but we are seeing cracks in Trump's MAGA base.

essentialsaltes · 2025-12-09T08:26:50-0600

Why Senate Republicans aren't uniting behind a health care plan

Three days before a high-profile vote on a Democratic proposal to extend expiring Obamacare subsidies, GOP senators are nowhere near coalescing behind any single alternative that could be put up alongside it.

For Republicans, the risk of proceeding Thursday with a side-by-side vote is clear. While Democrats say they will have their entire 47-member caucus behind the three-year extension, any GOP plan right now is likely to fall well short of complete unity — and highlight the divisions in their party.

“What signal would that send if Republicans say, ‘Yeah, we’re going to say no to the Democrats’ plan, but we’re not going to offer anything?’” Sen. Josh Hawley(R-Mo.) said. “The message that will send is, good luck to the American people, and we don’t really care.”

[Isn't that what motivated you to cut the subsidies in the first place?]

One of the aides said Republicans will be prepared to make the case they have plenty of ideas and are ready to talk with Democrats once they move off a proposal that won’t get the 60 votes needed to advance.

[Well, plenty of concepts of an idea, anyway.]

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