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Strong in Him · 2025-11-29T03:30:47-0600

Apple Sky said:
Well what is the bottomless part of if not the earth ?

No idea. But you're jumping to conclusions.

You quoted the verses about the bottomless pit to try to "prove" that the earth is not a globe - your words were "how can there be a bottomless pit on a ball?"
Revelation does not say that the bottomless pit is on the earth - end of, full stop. So it doesn't prove what you say.
Now, your only answer is "it must be; where else could it be?"

It's not on, or part of, the earth.
Revelation does not say where it is - or, in fact, how we should interpret it.

David Lamb · 2025-11-29T03:30:05-0600

Apple Sky said:
Well what is the bottomless part of if not the earth ?

In a similar way to the location of heaven, the location of the bottomless pit is not mentioned in the bible. So it is an unwarranted assumption to say it is part of the earth. Indeed, what shape would the earth have to be to contain a bottomless pit? Certainly not a flat disc.

The Liturgist · 2025-11-29T03:22:55-0600

eclipsenow said:
FIRST - are you OK? Sleeping OK - mood OK? I know we've had our disagreements on climate stuff - but if rewatching shows is something you normally enjoy and now it's "Meh" - the old social worker version of myself hears a red flag.

When I’m in pain, specifically arthritis and tendonitis, which appeared in my 30s due to the hereditary illness I have, my normally epic attention span (at age 14 I sat through the Soviet SF film Solaris, watching both reels on our VCR, during the day, and thoroughly enjoyed it, and found myself never looking at water the same way again) becomes shorter, to a frustrating degree. Indeed I use my attention span as a key metric in determing how much pain I’m in.

Apple Sky · 2025-11-29T03:20:33-0600

David Lamb said:
None of those verses says that the bottomless pit is part of the earth.

Well what is the bottomless part of if not the earth ?

The Liturgist · 2025-11-29T03:19:23-0600

Tuur said:
Not new episodes of series you like, but when you revisit an episode you once did. I was a Star Trek fan from when the original episodes first aired. Tonight I found one of my favorite TOS episodes on, The Trouble with Tribbles. I watched it and didn't enjoy it that much. There were mildly amusing moments, such as Spock declaring himself immune to the trilling effect of tribbles, all while he was stroking one (and this was noticed by his shipmates), and Kirk's dressing down of Scotty for the brawl. But...I didn't enjoy it. This is was an episode that never failed to delight, until now. Obviously it's myself that changed, not the episode.

Has this happened to you? Have you gone back to an episode of a series or a film that you once liked, but now find it kind of "meh?"

I still enjoy all classic Star Trek episodes and those from TNG, DS9, and Voyager, as much as always, but since I have watched many of them repeatedly, particularly in the case of TOS, its important to cycle through them. I mean, I love The Doomsday Machine, The Immunity Syndrome, Balance of Terror, City on the Edge of Forever, A Taste of Armageddon, The Tholian Web, Space Seed and The Cage / The Menagerie to the point where those are easily my favorite episodes, but the paradox is, I know what happens, and likewise with Star Trek: The Motion Picture through to The Undiscovered Country (frequently I find myself watching my favorite parts of those); the beauty of the TV series is variety.

eclipsenow said:
When I watched TOS as a kid, I was pretty scared a lot of the time. Part of the appeal!

There are still some episodes that scare me. And for that matter, the Rura Penthe sequence of Star Trek VI, which I first saw in theaters in 1992, has always scared the living daylights out of me. Of course The Original Series television episodes had some genuinely nightmarish imagery, especially with the original special effects: giant hands moving through space, multiple episodes depicting frightening means of torture (Dagger of The Mind, Mirror Mirror, The Gamesters of Triskelion, The Empath), and a litany of terrifying monsters, only some of which (like the Horta in the Devil in the Dark) turned out to be non-malevolent. “I’m a doctor, not a bricklayer!” In one episode McCoy said “I’m a doctor, not an escalator!” which still cracks me up as being the most improbable McCoy gripe. We also have Khan trying to suffocate the crew, first collectively, then individually, in Space Seed, which was genuinely creepy.

Strong in Him · 2025-11-29T03:17:53-0600

Apple Sky said:
They are not out of context , how can there be a bottomless pit on a ball ?

Your previous verses were out of context.

Where does it say that the bottomless pit is on the earth?

Belk · 2025-11-29T03:13:02-0600

rjs330 said:
Yes I do if the order is out of the judges jurisdiction. In many of the cases regarding district Court judges it was questionable whether it was or wasn't and Trump didn't ignore those. In this case however, we have specific judges to deal with immigration law. Their word is final. Except for the Supreme Court. This judge has no legal jurisdiction by law over immigration courts.

Yet judges keep making these rulings. It is almost as if they know the law and the limits of their power better then you do. In any case it is good to know you do not advocate for following proper legal proceedings.

David Lamb · 2025-11-29T03:12:05-0600

Apple Sky said:
They are not out of context , how can there be a bottomless pit on a ball ?

But the verses you quoted do not say that the bottomless pit is part of the earth, do they? The phrase "bottomless pit" occurs 7 times in the bible:

Re 9:1 Then the fifth angel sounded: And I saw a star fallen from heaven to the earth. To him was given the key to the bottomless pit.
Re 9:2 And he opened the bottomless pit, and smoke arose out of the pit like the smoke of a great furnace. So the sun and the air were darkened because of the smoke of the pit.
Re 9:11 And they had as king over them the angel of the bottomless pit, whose name in Hebrew [is] Abaddon, but in Greek he has the name Apollyon.
Re 11:7 When they finish their testimony, the beast that ascends out of the bottomless pit will make war against them, overcome them, and kill them.
Re 17:8 The beast that you saw was, and is not, and will ascend out of the bottomless pit and go to perdition. And those who dwell on the earth will marvel, whose names are not written in the Book of Life from the foundation of the world, when they see the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.
Re 20:1 Then I saw an angel coming down from heaven, having the key to the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.
Re 20:3 and he cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal on him, so that he should deceive the nations no more till the thousand years were finished. But after these things he must be released for a little while.

None of those verses says that the bottomless pit is part of the earth.

Strong in Him · 2025-11-29T03:11:47-0600

Apple Sky said:
Don't be silly.

I'm not being silly. That is the result when people take things out of context.
I'm surprised that you can't/don't understand that.

People take things out of context all the time. You only have to look at newspaper headlines, which may quote part of a speech to get people's interest. The reality could be that that person didn't say those things at all.
One famous example was many years ago when the newspapers reported that the Bishop of Durham said that the resurrection was "a conjuring trick with bones": headline "Bishop doubts resurrection of Jesus."
What he had actually said was "the resurrection is MORE than a conjuring trick with bones" - I read his sermon in the Church Times. I didn't much ike the guy or some of the things that he stood for, but on that occasion, his words were misquoted, and taken out of context, to make it look as though a senior Bishop doubted the Gospel.

Nithavela · 2025-11-29T03:09:19-0600

chevyontheriver said:
Joe Biden had the legal authority to sign executive orders, even if he was considered crooked, even if the executive orders may have been unwise.

Nobody but the president has the authority to sign such things. So everything signed by someone else or something else is unlawful. The autopen signature orders should rightly be nullified. If a few of them are worthwhile Trump could sign them OR Congress could vote on them.

Just because something is signed by autopen does not mean that Biden was not involved and someone else operated the machine.

Apple Sky · 2025-11-29T03:07:31-0600

Strong in Him said:
If you take them out of context and don't explain how they teach flat earth, they're meaningless.

They are not out of context , how can there be a bottomless pit on a ball ?

stevevw · 2025-11-29T03:06:22-0600

Hans Blaster said:
Where was this sentence going?

The same place this silly game of credendials is going, nowhere. My point was someone may be an expert in one aspect say machining. While another is an expert in chemistry or Egyptology.

There can be more than one experts and a sinle expert on one aspect is not an expert on other aspects. Then when you get two people claiming an expert on the same aspect who is right lol.

Thats why I like everyone to participate as their own expert. For some aspects like the obvious melted stone or clear cut machine marks you don't have to be a rocket scientist to see this. Nor recognise an expert in a particular area that you can use to support the case. Its all relative and contextual. Just saying your an expert does not mean much unless your specifying exactly what.

Hans Blaster said:
You've never spoken of it. In what way do you have expertise in those fields and how is it relevant to the discussion?

I have been alluding to this thrughout this thread. Whatever is to do the the philosophical aspects such as the epistemics of how knowledge is developed within cultures or as a human cognition or behaviour output is my specialist area.

Which is really what the OP is all about and not the specific examples that require machinist in one situation, Chemist in another, physicists in another ect. We can go on forever with these specific examples and I thought this may help support the case of advanced lost knowledge.

But the real area of research that we can determine whether there is lost advanced knowledge is the study of knowledge itself and how it is developed in many different ways and having different dimensions by humans over history.

Hans Blaster said:
He's the guy who makes bicycle parts, right?

Lol I hope your kidding. Because that grossly underestimates his ability. You do realise he actually pioneers and makes the machines and tools that make the parts lol. Is a well known machinist and precision tooler at Aerospace level. I linked his credentials earlier.

Hans Blaster said:
This is confusing, have you seen King's credentials or not?

Yes I linked them earlier.

Chris King the framebuilder
For anyone not familiar with Chris, his hubs and headsets (made right here in Portland) are considered to be the best in the world and they have been ridden to three Tour de France victories by the US Postal Service and Discovery Channel teams.

Chris King the framebuilder

[Chris and an old friend.] While at the Chris King Tour de France party last night, I heard someone mention that a guy rolled up on a bicycle made by Chris King himself. In all my years in the bike industry, including a stint as a King employee, I was surprised I'd never heard about this before.

bikeportland.org

Chris King Technology

After nearly fifty years in business, CKPC continues to be one of the premier makers of top-shelf hubs, headsets, and bottom brackets made in a leading-edge facility by a lot of folks who care a great deal about what they do.
It’s All Ball Bearings: Chris King Precision Components Factory Visit – Josh Weinberg

Hans Blaster said:
what are you asking for?

Show similar support for the persons expertise like I have shown for King. I am not just saying "king is an expert who knows what he is talking about" and then offering no independent support. I have linked the support showing his credentials and ability.

I want you or whoever is claiming the expertise for machining, or tooling in relation to the vases to link independent evidence of their credentials. If you are demanding evidence, evidence and more evidence for everything I say.

Then likewise show me the independent evidence when anyone claims Smith or anyone is not an expert and instead an amateur. The same rule should apply if someone is going to make claims that someone is not an expert or claims to know more than the experts.

I have seen nothing. No independent evidence showing the expert credentials. Just personal claims. Its only fair.

Hans Blaster said:
Shape can be cut into wood. Being lather of wood doesn't make one knowledgeable in machining metals.

Lol and yet some on this thread claimed wood working methods could apply to the granite vases. I know some have also referred to metal lathes as supporting their arguements for how lathing was or was not involved in the granite vases.

Why does not lathing wood involve the same principles. If you want to shape a circular opening in the mouth of a vase. How is this not a similar process of routing out the mouth opening whether wood or granite or metal. Just that the cutter on wood will be of a softer metal compared to the diamond cutter for stone.

The setup will also be difference as far as the mechanisms involved to achieve the same cuts. More heavy duty machines for granite to take the stress. Different cutting heads and arms ect. But the end result cut is the same. Both cut circles, cones, flat surfaces and bore holes for openings. The same principles apply.

Hans Blaster said:
What cutters of stone?

Well obviously a diamond tipped cutter would be needed for granite. As opposed to say a soft metal cutter. Various wood working heads. But the principle is the same. Push the cutter into the block with a guide that will shape the body, bore out the opening, cut a flat top and lip to the opening ect.

It may be that the cutting machine head turns in some cases for intricate work. Or the object turnd and the cutter is applied and guided. But the principle is the same.

Hans Blaster said:
The Egyptologist.

Why. To what evel do they know machining or tooling or even Masonary. Do they specialise to the same level that a machinist would in understand the machinimg and tooling involved.

I think this is silly logic. Because then if the Egyptian works needs other investigation like chemistry or phsyics on electromagnetism. Are we to always say the Egyptologist is more an expert in everything.

They are more a general knowledge on particular types of works on a superficial level as to which culture or cultural signatures for identifying artifacts. They are the ones that usually cite the orthoddoxy for everything. Even stuff they know little about. They are not gods of all knowledge lol.

Hans Blaster said:
How do you quantify that?

By the simple fact that we can look up his credentials and look at his involvement with the vases. Visiting the museums, participating in the tests and ongoing analysis. I linked videos showing him at work lol.

Is there anyone on this thread who has been involved at that level specifically with Egyptian predyanstic vases. I doubt it. Otherwise please come forward lol. That I have to spell this out just shows how the obvious is even resisted. This goes back to the fact I have linked independent support and others have not.

Hans Blaster said:
You have put of a lot of frauds and grifters, like "Ben" of unchartedX or Dunn. What reservoir of presumptive trust you have started with is long gone.

So you have just acknowledge the bias. Your now automatically tarring everyone like you percieve Ben and Dunn. Even though you have not even shown you are correct about Ben and Dunn. This is just doubling down on bias.

Hans Blaster said:
Do you know the story of the boy who cried wolf? (or was it "ancient advanced technology"?)

But I have not cried wolf. Thats the conspiracy you have created lol. Not once have I mentioned any conspiracies. You are the one created the whole conspiracy that this thread is conspiracy and you just admitted its done purely by asociated and not actually investigating.

Hans Blaster said:
I generally don't read non-peer review science. It isn't worth my time.

Of course your time is precious. Thats why you can spend lots of time on threads like this.

Hans Blaster said:
You want to know *who* we are? That ain't gonna happen.

Then your only doubling down that your going to demand double standards. That I jump through loops and provide all this rigorious evidence and credentials for my sourses. But you can come along and make little claims all over the place without citing one bit of support. As I said its bias and double standards from the start. This thread had no chance.

Hans Blaster said:
we aren't making claims. Your advanced ancient techonology sources are.

Your making claims all over the place and you don't even realise it lol. I guess if you think a mere claim by words is like peer review then you don't need any support for your claims.

Every time someone says "no that not evidence" they are making a claim that requires independent evidence. You just made several in this very post. You claim an Egyptologist knows more about the tooling involved in making vases. You supplied absolutely no evidence. This has been happening all through this thread and you cannot even see this. Thats a interesting.

Hans Blaster said:
I could scroll up to find out who "he" is, but your posts are too long and I am done with this one.

Then why bother even posting lol.

Your probably a bit like me and getting sick of the whole thing now. Its become a thread on credibility and once it gets to that point we may as well forget the whole thing.

The Liturgist · 2025-11-29T03:02:56-0600

bbbbbbb said:
I think that rather then going through a ritual of washing perfectly clean and healthy feet, it would be much more humbling to wash a pair of really filthy, diseased feet.

I’ve done that personally - an elderly gentleman and veteran in his late 70s in a situation of poverty known to me.

However, from a liturgical perspective, it would be an embarrassment to the recipient to do that in front of a congregation, and there are real mystagogical and emotional benefits for all participants.

And also I would note, the fact that the boys of the church now have clean and (and mostly healthy, but this isn’t guaranteed; flat footedness and various disorders of the bone structure are unfortunately not uncommon) feet is a very recent phenomenon made possible by the improvement in the standard of living in the US and the Middle East in the late 20th century. So the idea that this ritual is hollow because the feet in question do not require being washed is a new concept, based on a very recent turn of events, and in my view it would be quite wrong to abolish this liturgy on that basis. For example, suppose there should be a collapse of our technological civilization due to some catastrophe? As it is, for reasons I will explain, there are two countries with substantial, in one case, a majority Oriental Orthodox population, where the conditions I mentioned do not exist, and abolishing this liturgy now would result in it not being done under such conditions, aside from the loss of mystagogical definition.

In the case of Ethiopia, I don’t know if they do this particular liturgy, although I should like to find out, but if they do, that country, which is home the largest Oriental Orthodox church, the condition of health and cleanliness would unfortunately exist only in the wealthier parts of Addis Ababa and certain other cities and in the diaspora, since Ethiopia and Eritrea (which became independent in the early 1990s in a war that followed the collapse of the Derg regime) have both suffered poverty, famine and in the case of Eritrea, a brutal and oppressive dictatorship, ever since the Communist Derg regime came to power in the 1970s, strangling the Christian emperor Haile Selassie*, and before that endured nearly a decade of oppression by the Italian fascist regime of Mussolini.

But if you want to find examples of Eastern and Oriental Orthodox priests and bishops who have done a lot for those in need, including washing their feet, our synaxaria is full of them, into the 20th century, for example, St. John Maximovitch of Shanghai and San Francisco. Likewise the Roman Catholics and many Protestant denominations have done superb work; Mother Theresa, an Albanian Catholic, comes to mind (Albania also has a large Eastern Orthodox population; the evil and stupid communist dictator Enver Hoxha tried to suppress all religions but as soon as his regime collapsed, the Christian faith reasserted itself; alas so too did Islam make a comeback). But Mother Theresa is far from the only example. Indeed the charitable operations of the Roman Catholic Church are the boast of all Christendom in my view; their charitable operations are more numerous, larger and better organized than those of anyone else.

* Haile Selassie it should be noted was opposed to Rastafarianism and attempted to convert the Rastas to Orthodoxy, sending missionaries to them, with some success. Nonetheless to the chagrin of all Egyptian and Ethiopian Christians you will find some Rastas who claim to be Coptic, which they aren’t (they only claim this because the Ethiopians were part of the Coptic Orthodox Patriarchate of Alexandria until the mid 20th century); both the Coptic and Ethiopian churches take a very dim view of marijuana use, and what is more, the Ethiopian church even strictly limits alcohol consumption; Ethiopian Orthodox Christians get one ration of a mild church-brewed beer along with bread at a few vigils throughout the year, before standing all night in prayer, that being the limit.

Zceptre · 2025-11-29T03:01:59-0600

stevevw said:
It has to sound like its Good News or a reveelation or something people are seeking. That spaaarks their interests even without mentioning God or the bible in direct ways. Christ was good at it.

Right, hence parables. Connecting to seeking hearts rather than ranting to deaf ears.

stevevw said:
But I also think there are times when no matter what you say it provokes a reaction because it is the truth. Its actually exposing the deciet and liars and they become threatened.

Can't remember the quote but it embodies this absolutely, and paraphrased it was said that "If Satan possessed one of the disciples how much more every non-believer on Earth." It obviously is true if one is aware and intellectually honest about their observations pertaining to encounters where the message of the Bible is being proclaimed, the demonic manifests, the evil is visible, the behavior is lunacy.

It says in 2 Corinthians 2:16 we are the smell of death to those who are "perishing" because God to them is judgment and Hellfire, and so the threat is that very concept because they cannot hear the message of forgiveness when they aren't looking to repent or agree with God about their fallen nature. Add the evil spirits and demonic following them around and possessing them and the "threat level" is code red.. all defenses up.

stevevw said:
Its interest as with Christ and Paul and others they accused them of blasphamy. Of defying or breaching the religious code that the powerful were using to control.

Good point there. You mean that Christ would "defy the religious establishments" in today's society? Oh yes He would, and they would probably try to crucify Him again if He returned clothed in humility, but we all know it is a lion that is returning.

stevevw said:
I think this is similar to how today where Christians are shamed or made out to be hateful and harming others for holding a belief that is percieved to break the codes and practices of secular ideologies in the same way the Pharisees called Christians blasphemers for breaking the codes of the religiously powerful of that time.

Well absolutely, it is a ploy by the devil to hijack the core of God's power which is "love" and paint it as pampering and gentleness to keep anyone from actually "fighting" against darkness or evil. Preaching acceptance of literally anything is the "new love," versus that really hard, trail blazing, narrow road, and carrying the weight of responsibility (defending weak, helping the poor, etc) stuff that most people simply don't want to hear.

So the message that you have sins in the first place is a big "oh no" to most who hear out the gate, and they can hardly hear "forgiveness" or "gift" for the humming they are doing and the fingers plugged into their ears as an initial reaction.

It takes a special message curated by God the Holy Spirit to reach people who are so opposed to such an abject degree to the "Good News" that we are sinners (threat to identity of good person) and that God sent His Son as a gift (part they don't think they need) to save their lives from evil.

I think that focus is love (1 John 4:8), but love in truth (Ephesians 4:15). I think showing love is even more powerful than speaking it though, such as the cross, but an extension of it through our behavior. That is when people's ears open to hear, because no one cares how much you know, until they know how much you care.

Apple Sky · 2025-11-29T03:01:42-0600

Strong in Him said:
It is - because you are choosing to put random verses from different books, together - as if to form one statement.
It's like the old chestnut;
"Then Judas went and hanged himself"
"Go and do likewise"
"what you are about to do, do quickly".
Which makes it look as though the Bible condones suicide.

Don't be silly.

Rescued One · 2025-11-29T02:56:53-0600

No one has any right to judge Trump unless he or she can prove himself/herself as being deemed worthier of God's love.

Rescued One · 2025-11-29T02:39:52-0600

Be compassionate to those who have PTSD and terminal illnesses insread of judgmental. Jesus wept.

David Lamb · 2025-11-29T02:37:50-0600

Apple Sky said:
True - But they do answer the fact that there are foundations for the earth.

So why post it in answer to my post which didn't even mention the foundations of the earth? And I still don't know why you quoted verses about Jesus being the Chief Cornerstone of His church, as if they were talking about the shape of the earth.

Strong in Him · 2025-11-29T02:34:47-0600

Apple Sky said:
There is a downward “bottomless
pit.” This is not possible on a sphere.

Rev 9:1 And the fifth angel sounded, and I saw a star
fall from heaven unto the earth: and to him was
given the key of the bottomless pit.
Rev 9:2 And he opened the bottomless pit; and there
arose a smoke out of the pit, as the smoke of a great
furnace; and the sun and the air were darkened by
reason of the smoke of the pit.
Rev 9:11 And they had a king over them, which is
the angel of the bottomless pit, whose name in the
Hebrew tongue is Abaddon, but in the Greek tongue
hath his name Apollyon.
Rev 11:7 And when they shall have finished their
testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the
bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall
overcome them, and kill them.
Rev 17:8 The beast that thou sawest was, and is not;
and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go

I reckon all these verses are enough to be going on for now.

You can post all the verses you want.
If you take them out of context and don't explain how they teach flat earth, they're meaningless.

I could quote your post from a few months ago where you said "sorry" to God for doubting the astronauts who walked on the moon, and a more recent one which said that the astronauts are liars . Unless people knew that, in between the two, you had changed your mind and said "sorry" to God - again - for your original statement, they would think you contradict yourself and are seriously undecided.

Context is very important.

Apple Sky · 2025-11-29T02:29:15-0600

David Lamb said:
But it doesn't answer my post, which said that, contrary to what you wrote, the verses that talk of Jesus being the Cornerstone are about the Cornerstone of His church.

True - But they do answer the fact that there are foundations for the earth.

rjs330 · 2025-11-29T02:28:34-0600

Stopped_lurking said:
They all go by external genitalia when doing sex determinations. And they go by gender expression when deciding on pronouns.

No they don't because we havent always had our genitalia hanging out. When ancient tribes fought and tried to take each other's females they weren't running around checking everyone's genitalia. They could tell who was who.

rjs330 · 2025-11-29T02:24:43-0600

Stopped_lurking said:
Neither fashion, hairstyle, mannerisms, friend groups or partner choice are necessarily tied to sex nor secondary sex characteristics. They are obviously social and cultural constructs.

Yes they are. They are all tied to sex. Like I said, you could interchange the word sex and gender in everyone of those things and it would be the same.

Stopped_lurking said:
Often enough, I said it happens when you don't have access to social or cultural factors.

Incorrect. We can atill do it abscent social or cultural factors. I could go to some primitive tribe in Africa or wherever and know absolutely nothing about their social or cultural factors and be able to determine if a person is male or female. So could you.

Stopped_lurking said:
Perhaps there are, but as I said each one of us don't have access to the biological sex of very many people. What we have access to is gender expression and some secondary sex characteristics

Yes we do. Every person we come in contact with has their sexual expression. There is no gender expression outside of their sex. They all have personalities. But ones personality is individual. But your personality does not determine your sex.

Stopped_lurking said:
So what is your take on those that are XY SRY negative or XX SRY positive?

Is that a genetic norm or is that a genetic defect? And what does that have to do with people who are not that way and still believe they are the opposite sex?

JulieB67 · 2025-11-29T02:24:31-0600

Dan1988 said:
I have asked you many times to show me a single verse to support your un biblical private theory, but you have consistently failed. I knew you would fail miserably because your theology is based on false doctrines.

If a single verse existed to support your private theory, you would have googled it by now and used it to prop up your strawman.
Not sure why you keep listing unrelated verses of scripture which say nothing to support your wild theories. It just shows that you're desperate to defend the indefensible.

So once again, you fail to answer biblical questions about certain scriptures.
Wow, some teachers you have. They have not even prepared you to answer the simplest of questions regarding certain verses and your beliefs on them. And you've failed to show how we are taking them out of context and what you believe they really mean. You should be prepared to give an answer at all times if you really had all of the truth. But you can't because you only have what you're being spoon fed with. And that's a sad state.

Hopefully you'll set out on your own one day with an objective mind and test the them/your teachers verses what the Word of God is really stating about certain subjects. And if you still believe as you do, fine but at least you will have at least made an honest effort. And hopefully you'll have learned some humility in the process.

David Lamb · 2025-11-29T02:23:37-0600

Apple Sky said:
There is a downward “bottomless
pit.” This is not possible on a sphere.

Rev 9:1 And the fifth angel sounded, and I saw a star
fall from heaven unto the earth: and to him was
given the key of the bottomless pit.
Rev 9:2 And he opened the bottomless pit; and there
arose a smoke out of the pit, as the smoke of a great
furnace; and the sun and the air were darkened by
reason of the smoke of the pit.
Rev 9:11 And they had a king over them, which is
the angel of the bottomless pit, whose name in the
Hebrew tongue is Abaddon, but in the Greek tongue
hath his name Apollyon.
Rev 11:7 And when they shall have finished their
testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the
bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall
overcome them, and kill them.
Rev 17:8 The beast that thou sawest was, and is not;
and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go

I reckon all these verses are enough to be going on for now.

OK, but where do those verses say that the bottomless pit is part of the earth? The earth's shape makes no difference to the existence of the bottomless pit.

Strong in Him · 2025-11-29T02:22:49-0600

Apple Sky said:
It's not me saying it.

It is - because you are choosing to put random verses from different books, together - as if to form one statement.
It's like the old chestnut;
"Then Judas went and hanged himself"
"Go and do likewise"
"what you are about to do, do quickly".
Which makes it look as though the Bible condones suicide.

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