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U.S. Bishops’ full statement on immigration and opposing mass deportation released

We can't let this exploitation of immigrants in a quest for votes and one-party control ever happen again. The leaders need to be held accountable. The effects of flooding of our country with from 10 to 20 million immigrants in one presidential term, in contempt of our border laws, will be felt for many years. It was an attack on the will of the people who had supported laws to gradually allow immigrants into our country. It has created a situation where some who might likely have gained citizenship will end up being deported, because there is no way our country can handle a proper review of tens of millions on a case by case basis. Certainly there had to be recognition of this fact by many who were sought control of our government.
Only a fraction of the children lost track of by the last administration have been rescued because there is nowhere to start to investigate on an individual basis. How many were essentially sold into slavery we may never know. Realize too that many immigrants were lured into our country when our president said "come." What we should working together on is a pathway for citizenship for those who love America and our Judeo/Christian founded culture, who don't wish to tear it down or be on the government dole for the rest of their lives. They can apply for citizenship from outside the country, but they will have to take a place in line BEHIND those who have obeyed our laws and legally applied from outside of the U.S. Instead many are idolizing some of the worst of criminals and those who hate our country, trying to keep them here as long as possible. Sadly we have seen this pattern of causing suffering for others for political gains, so often by the same people over and over again. I conjunction I also think the voluntary deportation program needs to be pushed harder.
I advise you to re-read the bishops' statement and reflect on it. Because you seem to have missed the point entirely.
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What would have happened to Adam and Eve and Cain after death?

1. I never mentioned a fourth heaven do not sure where you go that from.

2. Jesus body remained in the tomb for three days but His divine self did not. 1 Peter 3 tells us that He ministered to the spirits in “prison” and that He went to paradise as He told the thief. This has been Christian teaching since the beginning.

No you didn’t mention a forth heaven, I made it up. Because you said that, “Paradise is the third heaven as Paul describes in 2 Cor. 12. This heaven is not the same as where Jesus explains He has not been to in John 20:17. In fact, Paul and Jesus call the third heaven paradise.” ,

Based on this statement, where is the heaven of John 20:17, the first heaven where birds and airplanes fly and the law of gravity is in play, or the second heavens further out where the planets are suspended beyond the laws of gravity?



Your senond statement, Jesus body remained in the tomb for three days but His divine self did not. 1 Peter 3 tells us that He ministered to the spirits in “prison” and that He went to paradise as He told the thief.

This statement appears to lack your understanding of what was accomplished in the death of Christ. Would you be willing to do as 1 Peter 3:15 instructs and answer some question in this regard?
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China Bought $12.6 Billion in U.S. Soybeans Last Year. Now, It’s $0.

• 2024/25 Outlook: As of September 2025, early sales are strong (e.g., ~371,000 metric tons booked to Mexico), but full-year projections are not yet finalized. USDA forecasts global demand growth, potentially supporting US exports.

Data sourced from USDA Economic Research Service and Foreign Agricultural Service reports.
That's corn and not soybeans isn't it?
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Do you keep the Sabbath? (poll)

You don't have to decide anything, All commandments, statues etc is given under the law to be followed. Breaking any commands etc in the law means breaking the whole Law. There is a confusion here for some, there is law based on works (this for the old covenant law) but also a law based on Faith for the New covenant. (see Romans 3 for the two laws). The two laws are independent of each other.

Yes, there is a lot of confusion concerning Paul's teaching, especially in Romans 3. Paul is speaking about "remission of sins", not the definition of sin. Stealing is a Sin "because" God declared "Thou shall not steal". And the wages of sin is death. All men have sinned and therefore are dead in trespasses and sins. But God from the beginning has provided for the remission of those sins. From Abel to Moses, men were shown Mercy though His Grace who, like Abraham, would repent and "Cast away from you all your transgressions, whereby ye have transgressed; and make you a new heart and a new spirit". (Ez. 18:31)

But the Israelites HE saved from Sin (Egypt) broke His Covenant with a Golden Calf. So God "ADDED" a LAW Abraham didn't have, a temporary LAW to provide for the remission of their sins until the Prophesied High Priest of God, "After the Order of Melchizedek" should come (in their minds). This added LAW required that when a man sinned, he was required to bring a goat to a Levite Priest and kill it. The Priest would then take the blood of the sacrifice and sprinkle it on the Alter, along with other "works of this law", and through the works of this law the Priest would provide atonement for the repentant sinner. You can read about this yourself in Lev. 4.

This is what Paul called "The Law of Works" that was to lead men to the true Lamb of God. And it lead the Faithful, like David, Zacharias, Simeon and Anna, to the Christ. (Luke 1&2)

But the Priests became corrupted and used this Law as a marketing strategy to create a religious business selling the sacrifices for justification of sins. When all along what God wanted was obedience, as it is written, "To obey is better than sacrifice". For the Pharisees to accept Jesus as the Prophesied Messiah, would be the end of their business, their fame their being called "Rabbi". So they rejected the Christ and continued promoting their corrupted version of the Levitical Priesthood "works of the Law" for remission of sins.

The Law of Faith, was repent and "Yielding yourself" servants to obey God, in the belief that their sins will be forgiven by the Blood of the Lamb of God that HE offered to God for our sins, just like Abraham and David believed. This belief is called "Faith". That a man would repent of their transgressions, defined by Jesus as "Now go and Transgress God's Laws no more", turn to God, defined by Jesus as "Living by Every Word of God", and do works "worthy of repentance", defined by Paul as "Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof. Neither yield ye your members as instruments of unrighteousness unto sin: but yield yourselves unto God, as those that are alive from the dead, and your members (Body) as instruments of righteousness "unto God"."

"Many", who come in Christ's Name, would have us believe Paul is speaking to God's Definition of Sin, as the "Law of Works" for the remission of sins. But if one turns away from this world's religious system and studies for themself, "if Faith", they will find what Moses instructed a man who transgressed God's commandments to do. And Only the Anointed Priest of God can provide for the remission of a mans sin. And HE Himself said, "I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish."

Mankind from the very beginning has chosen to judge God's Commandments, some as worthy of their respect and honor, and others as unworthy of their respect and honor. In other words, as Paul teaches, "when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened. Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,

I am a nobody, but still it seems simply a reasonable service to Yield myself to God, not judge His Commandments.




In regards to the rest (Sabbath rest) 4th command. This Rest is more than a literal or physical rest it's a "spiritual rest".
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You've read that yourself, I assume?

I can't think of any reason why you will not answer Phil G's question, unless it's that you don't want to concede/consider that satellite signals come from satellites and your assertion that there are no satellites would be shown to be wrong.
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In this case, this is true, but not all truths can be proven with facts. There is something else going on here, and it is probably important to figure it out.
I think the only thing that's going on is that this is the Conspiracy theories section of the forum, and Apple sky, by her own admission, is addicted to Conspiracy theories.

Also, she seems to genuinely believe that unless Genesis 1 is taken as a literal description of God's creation, then people are doubting God and the Bible.
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Trump celebrated Thanksgiving with Epstein during his first term in office

Is there an Amendment to the Constitution which allows a third term if the candidate is the alleged messiah?

FDR (who was tied to weird Jewish beliefs by buddy Stephen Wise**) did four terms.

It is difficult to study this man without wanting to strangle him.
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US Attorney's Office for SDNY was running an active investigation into Epstein and Maxwell's co-conspirators until it was killed by Trump's DOJ in Jan

So now given the released the Epstein emails that proves Ghisaline Maxwell lied to Deputy AG Todd Blanche about what she know (aka the point of the interview in telling Todd Blanche what he wanted to hear) are they going to send Maxwell back to the appropriate prison?
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Pray that Hindu Nationalist politicians, & their allies who had a landslide victory in the region of Bihar, India show Christians favor

Pray that Hindu Nationalist politicians, & their allies who had a landslide victory in the region of Bihar, India show Christians favor:

Lost tribes of Israel

Gentiles came to a point, after being invited to rejoin their lost House headed by Jewish Christians (the original Christians), and applied church appropriation, a makeover, then rejection of the founders, much in the way colonization did to indigenous peoples. It's the human way, not God's. Of course, the Jews also rejected the original Jewish Christians so they got it from all sides. Even today all seek to serve self rather than God's plan.

This statement touches the heart of many biblical stories, which portray both the historical House of Israel and the House of Judah as peoples who struggled to put their own interests above G-d's will. This is a theme that runs through their entire history. In Jeremiah 2 and Hosea 11, we find exciting insights into G-d's heart for His people.
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Trans-identified ex-state lawmaker facing 30 years in prison for child porn possession

Why would you least suspect this person? Perversion knows no bounds.
Twenty years on the internet,- including trans social media, a decade more obsessively studying history, and the ability to identify patterns.

"Perversion knows no bounds."

Indeed it doesn't and people seldom just have one paraphilia (which is why there's overlap between the furry, gay and pedophile communities bad enough for people who are all three to have their own monicker
diaperfurs
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Release from Epstein files

Irrelevant. Russiagate was not about simply having contacts with Russians. The fact they lied about it was stupid. And they deserved whatever they got. But there was never anything shown to have occurred for the reasons the investigation began in the first place. In other words. Russia gate was a hoax.
The US is appraised by one of it's fellow Five Eye nations that a Trump official is making known his connections with Russians, Russia's willingness to help the campaign, and the officials willingness to be receptive to that help. Then he lies to the FBI about. So either the FBI ignores it all, or it investigates the matter. To say that is not a premise of investigation is just false. The IG report of the investigation came to the same conclusion.
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We don't grow coffee, bannans and other fruits

....they finally figured that out?

Scott Bessent, the Treasury secretary, said on Fox News Wednesday that the administration would be making “substantial” announcements about tariff exemptions over the next few days, saying that they would target “things we don’t grow here.”

He named coffee, bananas and other fruits. “So that will bring the prices down very quickly,” he said.


...it seems the administration is finally admitting that tariffs increase prices.

The Trump administration is preparing broad exemptions to certain tariffs in an effort to ease elevated food prices that have provoked anxiety for American consumers, according to three people briefed on the actions.

The change would apply to certain reciprocal tariffs the president announced in April, including on products coming from countries that have not struck trade deals with the administration, the people said, discussing a pending announcement on the condition of anonymity.

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