Bro.T said:

A man asked Jesus this very question, "...What good thing shall I do that I may have eternal life?", and Jesus replied, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments. (Matthew 19:16-19).

This was a direct answer to a direct question, which all of us will do well to take heed to. Anybody can claim to have faith, but actions speak louder than words. Faith and works go together and you can't have one without the other. "Here is the patience of the saints; here are they that keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus" (Revelation 14:12).

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Pre Cross.. and a death sentence. No one enters Eternal Life by keeping the Commandments, and He well knew that.

Brightfame52 said:

Hearing the word spiritually is the product of the New Birth,like Jesus says Jn 8:47

47 He that is of God heareth God's words: ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God.

Hearing spiritual things requires spiritual life. Just like hearing natural things requires natural life.

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That is a different context from the passage I quoted. You must not have read the passage from Romans 10 very carefully. Read it again.

Romans 10:15 And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things! 16 But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Esaias saith, Lord, who hath believed our report? 17 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God. 18 But I say, Have they not heard? Yes verily, their sound went into all the earth, and their words unto the ends of the world. 19 But I say, Did not Israel know? First Moses saith, I will provoke you to jealousy by them that are no people, and by a foolish nation I will anger you.

You are trying to say that someone can only hear the word of God if they have experienced the new birth, but Paul asks even regarding those who didn't believe: "Have they not heard?" and then he proceeds to show that they did hear because the word of God "went into all the earth". So, this passage says that unbelievers have heard the word of God, but they reject it. Don't confuse the simple gospel message (the milk) with the deeper things of God that the natural man can't understand (1 Cor 2:9-16), which Paul called "the meat" or "the solid food" of God's word (1 Corinthians 3:1-3).

Tell me, why does God condemn people for not believing in Jesus if they are not even able to do so? Does God condemn and punish people for no reason?

Tell me, why do you think that people have no excuse to not glorify God as God and be thankful to Him (Romans 1:18-21), but somehow many of those same people who are expected to glorify God and be thankful to Him can't acknowledge that they are sinners and believe in Christ? Why do you give them an excuse for not repenting and believing (because they can't due to supposedly being totally depraved), while they do not have any excuse for glorifying God and being thankful to Him instead of suppressing the truth in unrighteousness (Romans 1:18-21)?

Why do you believe that all people are capable of choosing whether or not to suppress the truth and whether or not to glorify God and be thankful to Him, but you think the choice of repenting and believing or not is entirely up to God? How can someone choose to glorify God and be thankful to Him without confessing their sins to Him? No one who refuses to turn away from their sins would ever glorify God and be thankful to Him. So, there is no excuse for anyone to not repent of their sins. Yet, you give them an excuse because you say no one can repent unless God gives them repentance. Which means you say that some cannot repent no matter what they do unless God gives them repentance. So, if God doesn't give them repentance when that's supposedly the only way someone can repent, wouldn't that be a legitimate excuse for someone to not repent? They can just say that they couldn't because God didn't give them repentance. That would be a valid excuse if that's how repentance worked. But, they have no excuse, so that's not how repentance works.

Hentenza said:

That should worry you as it does me.

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Why? Because she is elected to carry out the will of her constituents and her constituents are criminals?

timothyu said:

No as we and spiritual attack follow the same motivation of self interest. The Hebrew people pre-gentile called it the Tempter, remember? Lead us not into temptation and deliver us from evil. That evil is putting our will before God’s, both human and elohim alike

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jas3 said:

Biblical literacy like knowing the difference between Ψ and Υ? I'd think you'd need to know at least the alphabet before claiming you could wipe the floor with the Church Fathers.

It seems like in spite of your assertion that Scripture is so clear a child can understand it, the only people who make the right connections in your mind are IFB. Funny how that works.
No, this is just historically illiterate and shows you don't really care to know what you're talking about. The Church Fathers weren't heresiarchs.

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jas3 said:

Biblical literacy like knowing the difference between Ψ and Υ? I'd think you'd need to know at least the alphabet before claiming you could wipe the floor with the Church Fathers.

It seems like in spite of your assertion that Scripture is so clear a child can understand it, the only people who make the right connections in your mind are IFB. Funny how that works.
No, this is just historically illiterate and shows you don't really care to know what you're talking about. The Church Fathers weren't heresiarchs.

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*Good catch on the misspell in my avatar... so much for avatar shopping in the wee hours.. xD

A man asked Jesus this very question, "...What good thing shall I do that I may have eternal life?", and Jesus replied, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments. (Matthew 19:16-19).

This was a direct answer to a direct question, which all of us will do well to take heed to. Anybody can claim to have faith, but actions speak louder than words. Faith and works go together and you can't have one without the other. "Here is the patience of the saints; here are they that keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus" (Revelation 14:12).

durangodawood said:

Where did I reject the facts? Im just rejecting certain conclusions that arent demonstrable from the facts at hand per these very flimsy articles.

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Here is another article.

durangodawood said:

Perhaps. But thats a different topic.

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Sounds good.

BCP1928 said:

We seem to be talking about theological propositions here, most of which cannot be demonstrated objectively, yet you still believe them.

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You're getting into epistemic issues, which is a separate question. Whether they can be demonstrated objectively, if God is real then there is a correct understanding at least to the extent humanly possible. So our epistemic uncertainty about the truth of the propositions does not undermine their objective status. They are either true or false, or else empty.

BCP1928 said:

What kind of truth is that?

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If it is true, then it is objectively true.

Hentenza said:

But you don’t question it and still reject the facts because “you don’t know”. You are defending someone that is clearly doing terrible simply because of your DNC affiliation. I’m glad I’m independent and don’t have to defend stupidity.

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Where did I reject the facts? Im just rejecting certain conclusions that arent demonstrable from the facts at hand per these very flimsy articles.

Hentenza said:

That should worry you as it does me.

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Perhaps. But thats a different topic.

Brightfame52 said:

No Im not addressing 2 Pet 2:1 Im fine with you believing a lie that Christs redeeming death can be so in effective. My point is no person can believe in or come to Christ by their own freewill.

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You won't address 2 Peter 2:1 because you know you can't reconcile it with your false doctrine. You don't base your doctrine on all scripture, you base it on your cherry picked scriptures that you take out of context.

Fervent said:

What other kind of truth might there be? Seems to me objectivity is required for something to fall into categories of truth or falsity.

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We seem to be talking about theological propositions here, most of which cannot be demonstrated objectively, yet you still believe them. What kind of truth is that?

durangodawood said:

How should I know if she did that. Do you know? Thats local politics. And I'm not local to there.

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But you don’t question it and still reject the facts because “you don’t know”. You are defending someone that is clearly doing terrible simply because of your DNC affiliation. I’m glad I’m independent and don’t have to defend stupidity.

durangodawood said:

Otoh she does affect me by her position on national affairs.

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That should worry you as it does me.

Douggg said:

1 Corinthians 15:20-23 is not a continuation of 1Thessalonians 4:14-18 like 1Thessalonians 5:9-11 is.

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This is an extremely lame response. Do you just ignore 1 Corinthians 15:20-23 then since it doesn't agree with your doctrine? Do you think Paul didn't know what he was talking about in that passage when he indicated that all of the dead in Christ will be resurrected at the same time when Jesus comes while saying nothing about any believers being resurrected at any other time?

keras said:

Revelation 20:4-5 plainly states that Jesus will ONLY bring the souls of the GT martyrs at His Return. Why do you ignore these Bible verses?

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Why do you ignore that Jesus's resurrection was the first resurrection (Acts 26:23, 1 Cor 15:20)?

Why do you ignore that Jesus began to reign after His resurrection (Matt 28:18, Eph 1:19-23, Col 1:12-13, Rev 1:5-6)?

Why do you ignore that Jesus made His people priests long ago (1 Peter 2:9, Rev 1:5-6)?

Why do you ignore that all unbelievers will be killed when Jesus returns (Matt 24:35-39, 1 Thess 5:2-3, 2 Thess 1:7-10, 2 Peter 3:10-12, Rev 19:17-18)?

Why do you ignore that scripture teaches that all of the dead will be resurrected at the same time/hour (Daniel 12:2, John 5:28-29)?

Why do you ignore that all people will be judged at the same time (Matt 13:36-43, Matt 13:47-50, Matt 25:31-46)?

ThatRobGuy said:

So if policy makers were looking to meet with the leader of this group of protestors to get their enumerated list of specific demands, who would they ask to speak with?

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This does not appear to be an very organized protest. And thats fine. I'm sure there are plenty of organizations the veep people could contact for specifics. I like this general expression of disapproval a lot better than nothing.

Hentenza said:

I see you finally read the article albeit to try to find something that you can hang your shingle on. She is their representative, so represent. Has she contacted her precinct commander to demand better for her precinct? I bet you she couldn’t care less.

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How should I know if she did that. Do you know? Thats local politics. And I'm not local to there.

Otoh she does affect me by her position on national affairs.

BCP1928 said:

Is objective truth the only kind there is?

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What other kind of truth might there be? Seems to me objectivity is required for something to fall into categories of truth or falsity.

Fervent said:

Yes, because subjective things aren't subject to truth or falsity. In order for something to be true, there must be some objective character to it.

No, that's where you're mistaken. Your opinion is only part of the equation, the rest is whether it reaches the threshold to qualify as faith or if it was something else entirely. Which isn't purely a matter of your opinion or what you believed about yourself, especially since lacking the genuine experience you would have no basis to recognize the shortcomings of your opinions.

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Is objective truth the only kind there is?

ThatRobGuy said:

So if policy makers were looking to meet with the leader of this group of protestors to get their enumerated list of specific demands, who would they ask to speak with?

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I doubt this was any kind of organized protest with leadership and stated goals. More just general dislike and disapproval of JD being expressed. The replies to this thread have had more effort put into them than seen from any of the protesters at Disneyland.

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Getting to heaven is really a poor way of putting what God is offering humanity and it is the same no matter what kind of label you attach to yourself.

God is offering the free gift Eternal Life (The Life of God) and the only way a person can receive The Life of God (Eternal Life) is to believe in Jesus. Believing that Jesus is who He says He is, Which is The promised Messiah / Son of God, the resurrection and the life.

When a person believes this about Jesus they become a permanent born again child of God. The person, at the very moment of belief in Jesus, crosses over from death to life never to cross back over from life to death.


So people can play the denomination/church game or they can believe in Jesus for God's free gift of Eternal Life. Sadly many are playing the the denomination/church game and not believing in Jesus for God's free gift of Eternal Life.

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Excellent answer.

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This guy looks completely stable, and totally doesn't look like the kind of person who collects toenail clippings in jars at home.

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I see Sean Lennon is keeping busy these days.

durangodawood said:

From the article

My emphasis. I think we've covered this ground already.

While we're repeating ourselves, I'll note again: even if you have bad values, political or personal, it doesnt make you "stupid". Just look at our president for a prime example of that.

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I see you finally read the article albeit to try to find something that you can hang your shingle on. She is their representative, so represent. Has she contacted her precinct commander to demand better for her precinct? I bet you she couldn’t care less.

ThatRobGuy said:

Funny how a police officer is allowed to tackle me when when I'm fleeing a bank robbery with a bag of cash, but I'm not allowed to tackle them back.

I also found it odd that the last time I was pulled over, they were able to make me show my license and proof of insurance, but said "No" when I asked him to show me their drivers license.

Civilians should be allowed to do everything cops can do, right?

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Just a funny observation how standard police procedures magically become assault when directed at police.

Hans Blaster said:

No I was expecting you to quote AOC to attempt to demonstrate how dumb you think she is. I've seen others do it before. (I won't comment on their success rate.)

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Nah. I don’t fall for that.

Hans Blaster said:

The only thing something about her district (or any other member of congresses district) would show might be a demonstration of the politicians ability or inability to bring federal funding to their districts, but none of the things you mentioned have anything to do with even that. I rate your attempt a solid "F" for "failure".

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I know you are not that naive. Have you not seen the national publicity that a fight for some cause or another can bring a congressman or congress woman? She has the responsibility as their representative to question and demand better outcomes for her district, She owes it to the people that she represents. Instead she is in some oligarchy tour with Sanders while her district falls apart. All about her future aspirations. If she was a far right representative you would be all over this. Ah, the hypocrisy.