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Purpose of "worship music"?

I don't disagree with you, but I also don't see where it says anything other than "sing and make a joyful noise". My complaint is the volume and the style making it hard to sing as one.

My experience with churches that only sing

I don't mind "worship music" per se. It just needs to be a little less volume and songs need to be easier to sing along with. We don't even have to get into the lyrics of some of them. :) Seems like 7/11 music has taken over.

I like hymns, but, in my experience, churches that sing only hymns are the legalistic ones.
Try the Episcopalians. :cool:
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Winning Big Here in America...

What is it that i am missing? A date would be helpful.

It would. But the fact that it was written on a typewriter and shot in black & white ought to get you into the ballpark.

I did notice that it was from New York city. So are we discussing the high state income tax rates on the earned income from winnings in blue states?

That was sort of the point of the original image, but a quick glance at the numbers ought to clue one in to their veracity.


The OP was not helpful at all. Just a random picture of a random unverified piece of paper with zero context. TBH, I really dont even think this thread qualifies to be in the American Politics section.

Perhaps.

It looks like a bogus picture from a meme found on FaceBook that the OP thought was funny and wanted to share.
Not quite, but you're getting a lot warmer. The addressee in the top left is one clue. I did a reverse image search, but now I see that there's a watermark in the bottom right that gives it away.
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Trump Calls For Ilhan Omar’s Removal From Congress

I dont see a contradiction. A dog's primary loyalties can be to its owner, but did the dog have to make a pledge for it to demonstrate loyalty? Or do you just want to continue beating up that strawman of yours?
I think we can sum up your position exactly: You made a couple of claims about Omar and have absolutely nothing with which to back it up. You're just parroting what some people want you to believe with no thought, no examination, no consideration of any facts whatsoever. Trump and his minions know they can say anything at all. There's no need to think about how nonsensical it is. There's no need for it to have any association with reality. They know as sure as night follows day that some of their supporters will simply repeat it as the truth.

At some point in the future, hopefully not too distant, people will look back at this period and consider it some kind of mass hysteria. What else can the reason be? Why else are you saying things that you know to be untrue? Can you explain?
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Trump Calls For Ilhan Omar’s Removal From Congress

When getting information from IslamQA, it's important to know that the material on that site is produced by Muhammad Al-Munajjid. He is a Salafi cleric who applies the teachings from the Salafi school of thought and Hanbali jurisprudence, both of which take a literal and strict approach to Islam, to answer questions on his website. Since his opinions and rulings come from a Salafi perspective/interpretation (a minority in Islam) and from Hanabali (an even smaller minority), much of what is found on his site would be an extremist interpretation of Islam and not accepted as being representative of Islam by more than 95% of the world's Muslims.

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And? You just proved my point. My point being that there are other sects in Islam who do consider lying and deception as not only morally acceptable, but encouraged if it is used towards infidels. So both you and RJS330 in my opinion are partially correct. The problem is that you both are generalizing Islam to make your arguments. Do Muslims forbid lying? Yes, some. Do Muslims encourage lying? Yes, some.
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Three ICE detainees shot, 2 dead, at ICE facility in Dallas; suspected shooter committed suicide.

Illegal aliens. The ones who are in the country illegally.
I can't claim to have seen any trials, but if a person is found to have committed child rape, human trafficking, drug trafficking, and murder, I'd trust in the verdict of a jury. It makes no difference whether or not they were citizens or legal immigrants or illegal immigrants.
I'm attempting to get you to think about why you refer to something as slander when there is clearly evidence involved.
Really? Because I'm trying to get you to think about why poisoning the blood of our country is evidence of slander <=The spirit of the devil in scripture.

It looks to me like you're trying to evade experiencing any realization that Trump speaks the same sentiments as Hitler by alleging I'm referring to something as slander that is not slander.

I got the following in a quick google search:

Hitler's statements were: "I will get rid of the 'communist' 'vermin'," "I will take care of the 'enemy within'," "Jews and migrants are poisoning Aryan blood," and "One people, one realm, one leader."

Statements attributed to Trump were: "I will get rid of the 'communist' 'vermin'," "I will take care of the 'threat from within'," "Migrants are 'poisoning the blood of our country'", and "'One people, one family, one glorious nation under God."
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ARE ALL THE 10 COMMANDMENTS IN THE OLD AND NEW TESTAMENT?

The gospel of the good news.

All are sinners who deserve God’s judgment (Romans 3:23; Romans 6:23).
Jesus Christ is God, and He came to earth as a man (John 1:14).
Jesus died, in our place, in order to pay for our sins (Romans 8:3-4; Hebrews 10:14).
Jesus came back from the dead, as He said He would (Romans 4:25; Mark 8:31).
We trust in Jesus’ sacrifice, and nothing else, in order to be saved (Ephesians 2:8-9; John 3:5).

Nothing in the gospel of good news about following the law. In fact following the law results in exactly the opposite (Gal 3:10-14). No good news in the law.
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The 2025 Government Shutdown Thread

Close to half of Americans blame President Trump and Republicans for the current government shutdown, according to a new poll.

In the poll from The Washington Post, 47 percent of respondents said “Trump and Republicans in Congress” are “mainly responsible for the federal government partially shutting down,” while 30 percent pinned the blame on “Democrats in Congress” for the shutdown.
Are the other 27% asleep? And we should believe a left leaning publication poll why?
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Winning Big Here in America...

That's because you didn't pay close enough attention to the image.
What is it that i am missing? A date would be helpful. I did notice that it was from New York city. So are we discussing the high state income tax rates on the earned income from winnings in blue states? The OP was not helpful at all. Just a random picture of a random unverified piece of paper with zero context. TBH, I really dont even think this thread qualifies to be in the American Politics section. It looks like a bogus picture from a meme found on FaceBook that the OP thought was funny and wanted to share.
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ARE ALL THE 10 COMMANDMENTS IN THE OLD AND NEW TESTAMENT?

First let me apologize for only addressing this part of your post because if you don’t believe in the actual gospel then we cannot in good conscience have a productive conversation.

This is certainly true. If you don't believe the Gospel that Jesus and Paul brought, was first given to Israel, as Scriptures teach, then there is no real way for a productive conversation.

There is a misunderstanding so we first have to define what the gospel actually is. The gospel is not related to the Jewish covenant.

First, there is no "Jewish covenant", there are God's Covenants. "Faith" means "unconditional belief in God shown by works". This was true of Abraham, Caleb, Shadrack, David, Zacharias, Simeon, Cornelius and every example of Faithful man in the Bible.

There was a Priesthood covenant that God gave Levi as a Mercy to Israel after the golden Calf, a Law that Abraham didn't have. But there was no "Jewish Covenant", at least not in the Holy Scriptures. You are free to provide me with such a covenant that Jews made, but your source would be outside of the Holy Scriptures.

Faith in God has always been a requirement so that has not changed. The promises to Israel remain intact and unfulfilled until after the time of the gentiles us over.

Israel, according to God, were Gentiles in Egypt before God sent Moses to bring them out of sin. (Egypt) And any "Stranger/gentile" that chose to join themselves to their God, were also considered Israelites. No different that the servants of Abraham. And yes, "unconditional belief in God, shown by works, has always been a requirement of repentance.

The new covenant for the Christian is strictly based on the redemptive power of blood spilled by Christ on the cross.

It seems, given the warnings of Jesus and the Prophets and Paul, concerning men who "profess to know God, or that call Jesus Lord, Lord, or that "Come in Christ's Name", that a man shouldn't just accept popular religious philosophy taught by the promoters of this world's religious system. Instead, for me, these warnings mean that I should go to God's Word to find out what HIS New covenant actually is. You can read it for yourself. I believe it is true that the New Covenant, was the change in the Priesthood, as it is written. That we are still required to "Yield ourselves" to God, and become "servants to His Righteousness" as Paul teaches, but no longer engage in the Jews version of the sacrificial "works of the Law" that the Jews religion, who didn't believe God, Moses or His Son, were promoting.

The basic elements of the gospel include what Paul wrote in Romans 1:1-6. All men have sin, the death of Christ on the cross to pay for those sins, the resurrection of Christ to provide life everlasting for those who follow Him, and the offer of the free gift of salvation to all (1 Cor 15:1-4).

You are omitting the first thing Paul teaches both Jew and gentile, at least according to the Scriptures.

The promoters of the "Jews Religion" that rejected God's Commandments and Judgments and persecuted God's Church, accused Paul of teaching against God's Laws, as also promoted by "many" who call Jesus Lord, Lord in the world God placed me in. Here is what Paul told them;

Acts 24: 13 Neither can they prove the things "whereof they now accuse me". 14 But this I confess unto thee, that after the way "which they call heresy", so worship I the God of my fathers, believing "all things" which are written in the law and in the prophets:

And of course he does, this is where the Gospel of Christ can be found.

Notice that Paul explicitly calls these the gospel that I preach to you. There is no different in gospel or what Paul calls the gospel in any other of his writings.

It is a deceitful practice to cherry pick Scriptures for the purpose of defending, justifying and promoting a philosophy that cannot stand, if every Word of God is considered.

I don’t understand where you infer that the gospel the Paul preaches did not come to be until later in history. The gospel of Christ began at His crucifixion when He redeemed our sins.

That is the philosophy of your adopted religion. The Bible teaches that the Gospel of Christ was given to Israel. And certainly Zacharias and Simeon and Anna are proof of this teaching.

Is. 48: 17 Thus saith the LORD, thy Redeemer, the Holy One of Israel; I am the LORD thy God which teacheth thee to profit, which leadeth thee by the way that thou shouldest go. 18 O that thou hadst hearkened "to my commandments"! then had thy peace been as a river, and thy righteousness as the waves of the sea:

What if all these Scriptures are right, and the religious philosophies of this world that you have adopted and are now promoting, is the deception?

Shouldn't a man believe what is actually written?
So if you believe in a different gospel then you are missing out on the good news of Christ.

Those "Christians" in Matt. 7:22,23, certainly promoted a gospel, and believed in was of Christ. Perhaps you might consider the Scriptures shown to you, and the questions posed at you, so you can become a "Doer" of the Christ's Sayings, not just a word here, and another word over there, but "Every Word" that proceeds out of His Mouth, given they were given to Him by the God and Father of all.
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Trump sends troops to the 'warzone' of Portland...

ANTIFA has been designated as a domestic terrorist group. Whether anyone agrees with the EO or not, ANTIFA has been damaging federal property and attacking federal agents. All Trump needs to do is put national guard in front of federal buildings to protect them and the terrorist organization, that liberals claim not to exist, will miraculously organize and assemble from all across the country to protest. Eventually, because ANTIFA is incapable of self-restraint, will resort to violence and find themselves arrested. Sounds like a win win.
The good news for you is that, despite what the Right tells us, ANTIFA is an ad-hoc enterprise, with no membership rolls, no ID cards, no special tattoos, and that means your fearless leader can arrest anybody he likes for it--anybody who disagrees with him, is the wrong color or the wrong religion, supports causes he doesn't like, etc. MAGA!
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Trump sends troops to the 'warzone' of Portland...

More lies. If the police would do their jobs there wouldnt need to be any NG troops. The fact is the police are not doing their job so someone else has to in order to protect the building and the people.
The Portland Police Chief even stated what is shown on the national level is not what is going on there.

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ARE ALL THE 10 COMMANDMENTS IN THE OLD AND NEW TESTAMENT?

So man means devil to you.
Where did I say that? Read my post again.
He said man should live by every word that proceeds out of the mouth of God How He stayed faithful to God and shielded the devil.
And from that you are extrapolating that the Christian is still under the law. That is what happens when you syllogism is a fallacy. It simply does not follow.
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Difficulties with finding a church

I think an error many churches make is trying to give people what they (leadership) thinks would be good for people to have rather than meeting people where they are and serving what they actually want or need, sort of trying to fit square pegs into round holes -- the small home group as an example.
Not trying to be argumentative but I actually disagree with this part of your statement. I understand some impose their will but actually the main problem is that pastors try to cater to their congregation or denomination and abandon Biblical teaching.

I don't think we have disagreement. I am not talking about subject matter of what is preached or taught. I agree that is the pastor's responsibility. I am talking about the structures some churches place around the conveyance of that--that the church expects you to be involved in this or that when really what nurtures you or what you need is something else. Or perhaps the thing that they want you to do makes you uncomfortable, and pushes you away not draws you nearer.

For example, I went to a church once where they thought everyone needed to be part of a small house cell that met regularly for fellowship grouped by zip code. Not my thing. I like fellowship with folks I like, who I find like-minded, and who I have chosen to be with, not just because they live in my zip code.

Or, I had a pastor once who, during his sermon, was fond of saying, "Turn to the person next to you and tell them..." It could be about anything...tell them about what really upset you in the last week, tell them about the last time you felt God speaking to you, etc. I found it cringe-worthy. I tend to be private and somewhat of an introvert. I am not pouring out my most intimate thoughts to some chap I don't know whose sole connection to me is our sliding into the same pew.

Or, once I was in a church where many parents were struggling with adolescents having challenges of living in today's world with its temptations. They approached pastors asking for a support group for parents and special programming for youth to help guide them. It was rejected as not being in their program plan for that year. I was actually one of those parents and the churches refusal was the final straw in my wife deciding she was done with the institutional church.
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The Schumer Shutdown

I’ve been watching this with interest. I like the bit where one side wants to shut down the government to sack a load of government workers or cut medical benefits for the most needy and the other doesn’t.
Not one Republican voted in a way that favored a shut down. They voted in favor of Biden’s already agreed to guidelines.

It could account for the Democratic Party’s historic low approval rating.

From August Newsweek

The Party has a 24 percent positive rating and a 56 percent negative rating.
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The Desperate Mullahs of Iran

Most people who study the current world situation, know about the long awaited; 12th Imam. According to Shi-ite theory, he will be preceded by some kind of disaster to the Islamic peoples.
That is why the crazy Ayatollahs of Tran are willing to sacrifice their own population, they will attempt to nuke Israel, knowing that Israels Samson Option will immediately retaliate and wipe them out as well, in a multi nuke exchange. This is not going to happen!

We who know and believe the Prophetic Word, can see and understand that the Lord will intervene at the moment of attack to destroy them all. Ezekiel 7:14, Psalms 7:12-16, 2 Peter 3:7, the Sixth Seal; Rev 6:12-17
Thank you!
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Elon Musk says he canceled his Netflix account — and urges his followers to as well

The author the particular show in question said:
Steele has spoken about wanting Dead End to be "not just having queer characters, but have queer sensibility embedded in the DNA of the story".
For all those other shows in Illuvatars list, the creators could well have said hetero-normative sensibility is built into the DNA and of the story. And they would have been correct.
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Elon Musk says he canceled his Netflix account — and urges his followers to as well

I'm reminded of the book "After the Ball: How America Will Conquer Its Fear and Hatred of Gays in the 90s" by Marshall Kirk (a neuropsychologist) and Hunter Madsen (a public relations expert) . Published in 1989, it proposed a media-focused strategy to change public opinion on homosexuality.

In order to to shift public perception of gay people the strategy centered on a concept the authors called "jamming," which involved repeatedly broadcasting positive, non-threatening images of gay people into the media to crowd out and "jam" negative stereotypes.

The book's goal was to make homosexuality seem less menacing and more ordinary to the general public. Tactics included portraying gay people as victims of prejudice and highlighting their mainstream qualities rather than focusing on more radical ideas or sexual politics.

Now we are getting the trans agenda shoved down our childrens throats, if we aren't careful.

We want to influence children to be productive members of society and they want to influence them to become medical experiments they can maim for life.
It looks like Kirk & Madsen's strategy isn't working with everyone. But many people still believe that LGBTs can be productive members of society.
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Morality without Absolute Morality

You changed my words in the quote. You are not allowed to do it. If you quote somebody, you cannot insert a word and pretend the other person said that. Please go back and change the quote so that it says exactly what I said.

My apologies I thought if I starred *solely* it would be obvious that was my insertion.

Let the record show.
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The Desperate Mullahs of Iran

What seems to be missing in this thread is the Iranian Shi'ite view of Islamic eschatology.
Most people who study the current world situation, know about the long awaited; 12th Imam. According to Shi-ite theory, he will be preceded by some kind of disaster to the Islamic peoples.
That is why the crazy Ayatollahs of Tran are willing to sacrifice their own population, they will attempt to nuke Israel, knowing that Israels Samson Option will immediately retaliate and wipe them out as well, in a multi nuke exchange. This is not going to happen!

We who know and believe the Prophetic Word, can see and understand that the Lord will intervene at the moment of attack to destroy them all. Ezekiel 7:14, Psalms 7:12-16, 2 Peter 3:7, the Sixth Seal; Rev 6:12-17
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