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Larniavc · 2025-11-21T02:17:20-0600

bob121 said:
When the house lights dim and the first chord rings out, something shifts inside me—like stepping from fog into sunlight?

Share your "holy ground" moment: What sound, smell, or sight instantly shifts your perspective and tells you, "I am now in God's presence"?

Is entering worship only in a Church?

Finally, what's one sentence that captures that feeling?

What does this have to do with ethics and morality? Shouldn’t it be in the Christians Only section?

Strong in Him · 2025-11-21T02:11:02-0600

Apple Sky said:
God teaches us a lot more than just salvation, have you ever read the old testament ?

Of course I have.
And it doesn't teach the shape of the earth.

Apple Sky · 2025-11-21T02:08:59-0600

Strong in Him said:
The Bible is about God's love, God' character, God's salvation and God's desire for a relationship with us, his created.
Flat Earth has nothing to do with any of that, nor does it address it. So why would the Bible teach it?

God teaches us a lot more than just salvation, have you ever read the old testament ?

Apple Sky · 2025-11-21T02:05:11-0600

David Lamb said:
The bible does not use the word "unmoveable." It says, "not be moved,"

I know what it says;

He set the earth on its foundations; it can never be moved. Psalms 104:5

Apple Sky · 2025-11-21T02:02:37-0600

prodromos said:
And in other places it says the earth moves.

Yes by earthquakes, not spinning around in space.

He set the earth on its foundations; it can never be moved. Psalms 104:5

Perpetual Student · 2025-11-21T02:01:34-0600

Servus said:
The people being questioned didn't seem to know much about what they're supposed to know about.

That was obvious.
And so what? Does this invalidate the work of real scientists? Does this negates the knowledge of well informed activists?

The pictures show the deviation of the measured temperature compared to the reference temperature of 1951 to 1980. Red is warmer, blue is cooler. We see that close to the entire world is warmer.
2020

2021

2022

2023

Is this all the sudden not true anymore?

Which shows a systematic and progressive warming. A global one.

Strong in Him · 2025-11-21T02:01:01-0600

Apple Sky said:
No -

So stop saying that the Bible teaches the earth is flat - because as soon as you are challenged, you have to agree that it doesn't.
At best, that is a lie.

Strong in Him · 2025-11-21T01:59:48-0600

Apple Sky said:
I know the earth is level & stationary b/c the Bible & God tells me so.

No, it doesn't.
What part of "that is not the purpose of the Bible" don't you get?

The Bible is about God's love, God' character, God's salvation and God's desire for a relationship with us, his created.
Flat Earth has nothing to do with any of that, nor does it address it. So why would the Bible teach it?

bob121 · 2025-11-21T01:56:45-0600

RandyPNW said:
Yes. I just suffer knowing these things, that in this fallen world we have to suffer. And being Christians we suffer the rejection of the world around us. These things are extremely painful and difficult to accept. But accept it we must.

I think with me it's more resignation that ambition to suffer. I simply have to relinquish my will when God calls me to suffer whatever I have to suffer. I pray against it, perhaps, but I try to take my concerns to the Lord. Knowing God can relieve us of suffering and still wills that we suffer is one of the hardest things I experience in life.

But you're right. We have to surrender our will and let God have His way, without rebelling, complaining, or losing our spiritual composure. We aren't trying to achieve some superior level of spirituality--just maintain our spirituality and call to endure what God wills that we endure.

We should not prescribe what suffering anybody else has to suffer. We are all individuals. We should always let God speak first, before we judge what somebody else is going through. We can only judge sin--not circumstances.

Thank you so much for your deeply honest post, RandyPNW. Your reflection on the spiritual difficulty of accepting suffering and your focus on resignation over ambition truly resonate. It is indeed one of the hardest things we experience in life—knowing God can relieve us, yet willing that we endure.

My own experience with suffering has drawn me immeasurably closer to God, fostering a deeper trust in His will. I believe this process may be part of His loving plan. When we are comfortable, we humans tend to drift far away from Him, feeling we can reject Him entirely—“Why do I need God when everything is well?”

Yet, when we witness or endure great pain, our cries and pleas go to the One who promises: if you believe in my Son, your suffering here and now is real, but it will pass. When you awaken in glory, all will be forgotten.

May the Lord continue to bless you. Have a wonderful day/night.

Strong in Him · 2025-11-21T01:54:31-0600

Brother Del said:
NASA actually means to deceive in Hebrew. Again, not an argument, just an observation.

It's a false observation.

Strong in Him · 2025-11-21T01:51:36-0600

Brother Del said:
Nope, none at all.

Neither is there any to support a flat earth - that is not the purpose of the Bible.

prodromos · 2025-11-21T01:49:32-0600

Brother Del said:
I wasn't aware I needed an excuse. I see no evidence supporting the heliocentric model.

Our condolences. I don't think anyone understood you were blind.

Brother Del said:
I do however see a wealth of evidence to the contrary.

At least you have an imagination.

Brother Del said:
Believe what you will.

That which is true and honours God.

Brother Del said:
I'm not here to prove anything.

Just as well, since you haven't proved anything.

Brother Del said:
I'm simply making observations.

False claims are just that, false claims. They are not observations.

David Lamb · 2025-11-21T01:48:16-0600

Apple Sky said:
No - But it does tell us that the earth is unmovable.

The bible does not use the word "unmoveable." It says, "not be moved," and that does not necessarily mean "motionless." David wrote:

“I have set the LORD always before me; Because He is at my right hand I shall not be moved.” (Ps 16:8 NKJV) (my emphasis)

Did David mean that because God was at his right hand, he would remain motionless for the rest of his life? Of course not - that would be ludicrous. Notice that both with regard to David and the earth, the words used in the bible are not, "shall not move," but "shall not be moved."

prodromos · 2025-11-21T01:41:38-0600

Apple Sky said:
No - But it does tell us that the earth is unmovable.

And in other places it says the earth moves.

prodromos · 2025-11-21T01:40:57-0600

Apple Sky said:
And nowhere in Scripture does it say the earth is a moving ball either, but people on here are telling me that it is.

That is not the purpose of Scripture, which is to reveal the mystery of salvation.

bob121 · 2025-11-21T01:39:47-0600

The Liturgist said:
I myself also suffer from chronic pain and know of what you speak. It is a consolation.

Thank you for your kindness, The Liturgist. As a fellow chronic pain sufferer, I know exactly what you speak of, and it is a true consolation. My own pain often reminds me that others suffer far more, putting me in a place of humility. May you find even greater relief from your pain. Have a wonderful day/night

prodromos · 2025-11-21T01:38:00-0600

Brother Del said:
Sir, I have not failed.

Indeed you have.

Brother Del said:
Because I wasn't trying to convince you of anything to begin with. I presented for your observation, an alternative view. Do with it what you will.

I will discard it as it has no value. Nothing in it matches what we actually observe from day to day

Brother Del said:
I have no arguments to make.

A true statement.

Brother Del said:
Why would I argue with anyone about the shape of the earth? Especially when I know already that any such argument would surely be in vain.

Making false arguments are always in vain.

Brother Del said:
Standing water is always level. The molecular structure of water does not allow for it to curve over a ball. That's not an argument, its an observation.

It is not an observation, it is a claim. All one has to do is watch a large ship slowly disappear over the horizon to recognise water does indeed curve over the globe.

Brother Del said:
NASA actually means to deceive in Hebrew. Again, not an argument, just an observation.

No, it is a false claim. NASA is an acronym of English words which have no connection to Hebrew. The way it is pronounced is completely different to the Hebrew word. You are as bad if not worse than the people who claim Easter comes from Ishtar.

Brother Del said:
No matter how far above the earth a person goes, the horizon always rises to eye level.

Another false claim. All you are doing is calling the horizon, eye level. If you actually use an instrument to determine eye level, such as a water level or the top surface of a glass of water, then the higher you go in altitude, the further the horizon drops below eye level

Brother Del said:
This would not be so if the earth were a ball.

Since it doesn't do as you claim it actually proves the opposite. You fail again.

Brother Del said:
Satan is a liar, and the whole world, with the exception of a few faithful believers, are completely under his control. Now that's an argument. And it cannot be refuted.

Of course you consider yourself one of those few faithful believers. The fact is you have given yourself over to delusion

Brother Del said:
Believe what you will. Search the scriptures. Draw your own conclusions.

The Scriptures reveal he mystery of salvation. They do not reveal the shape of the earth. All observations confirm the globe earth and nullify the nonsense that is flat earth. Those who claim the earth is flat are self deluded.

Brother Del said:
Or trust what you have always been told.

No, always test.

Brother Del said:
It matters not to me one iota. Neither will it even slightly diminish the love I have for you in Christ.

Judging by your posts, there isn't much to diminish.

Brother Del said:
Be well. Be blessed. Be at peace.

And you also.

Apple Sky · 2025-11-21T01:37:57-0600

David Lamb said:
No it doesn't. As I said, the bible does not tell us the shape of the earth.

No - But it does tell us that the earth is unmovable.

bob121 · 2025-11-21T01:34:28-0600

linux.poet said:
A traumatic childhood, a bad forum website (not this one), two good forums incompetently run (also not this one), and so on. Everywhere I go, I peel back the layers of lies, corruption, problems, and issues. The first round was peeling out my dad’s lies and exposing his deeds of darkness. It is this rejection of evil that broke my mind for awhile as I kept going. I couldn’t go along with what other people were doing, and that led to avoiding a lot of wasted time and bad relationships that could have eaten up my life.

linux.poet, I hear you—peeling back those layers of lies and hidden deeds is exhausting work, but it carves out space for truth to breathe. My own childhood carried a different brand of darkness: a father whose rage filled the house. Watching you refuse to pass on any form of darkness is courage in action. Your line “it is this rejection of evil that broke my mind for a while” rings true—saying no can feel like shattering yourself, yet that very break becomes the doorway for Christ to rebuild. Keep shining the torch; your steadfastness teaches awareness and discernment birthed from hard years. There seems to be a connection between difficult upbringings and discernment—pain can sharpen the senses. Thank you for being a voice that names what must be named—your labour on the forums is seen and deeply appreciated.

Apple Sky · 2025-11-21T01:34:09-0600

Know Ice claims kills suspicions.

RIOLM

David Lamb · 2025-11-21T01:25:03-0600

Apple Sky said:
I know, that's because it isn't a spinning globe, it is an unmovable earth, how do we know ? Because the Bible tells us so.

No it doesn't. As I said, the bible does not tell us the shape of the earth.

lucypevensie · 2025-11-21T01:23:39-0600

Holiday season

lucypevensie · 2025-11-21T01:22:57-0600

Karate kicks really REALLY hurt.

KICKS

Apple Sky · 2025-11-21T01:22:53-0600

David Lamb said:
Neither I nor anybody else (as far as I know) has ever claimed that the bible teaches that the earth is a globe.

I know, that's because it isn't a spinning globe, it is an unmovable earth, how do we know ? Because the Bible tells us so.

David Lamb · 2025-11-21T01:18:10-0600

CLEEB said:
Because Adam wasn’t deceived and Eve was is proof of free will because if there was no free will their response would have been the same. It shows a difference in wills between Adam and Eve. Why is it so difficult to see that both Adam and Eve did not acquire the knowledge of good and evil until Adam ate the forbidden fruit ? In order to sin you must have the knowledge of good and evil and do the evil instead of the good. James 4:17 Adams sin was unique because it determined the course of humanity our sins do not. Today every man dies for his own sin. Adam and Eve at their creation were not innocent of sin because they were righteous but because they were ignorant.

But Eve being deceived was before the Fall. Our state by nature since the Fall has been slavery/bondage to sin. That is why we need the Saviour to grant us freedom:

“34 Jesus answered them, “Most assuredly, I say to you, whoever commits sin is a slave of sin. 35 “And a slave does not abide in the house forever, but a son abides forever. 36 “Therefore if the Son makes you free, you shall be free indeed.” (Joh 8:34-36 NKJV)

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