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Apple Sky · 2025-12-08T03:35:17-0600

Strong in Him said:
??
What, you want to tell God, face to face, that you went back on your word and called one of his children a liar?
You want to wait until it's too late to repent to do that?
You want to risk hearing that he is disappointed in you?

Rather you than me.

My beliefs are so strong that the earth is flat & that we have never been to the moon, I'll risk it.

prodromos · 2025-12-08T03:27:07-0600

Apple Sky said:
Of course I do, but this thread is not about Salvation it's about F/E.

So it's a thread about falsehood.

Apple Sky · 2025-12-08T03:25:32-0600

David Lamb said:
Don't you think that Jesus Christ being the only Saviour on Whom sinners must believe to have eternal life is immensely more important than the shape of the earth, the nature of Antarctica, the moon landings, whether gravity exists, and the rest, none of which has any importance as far as salvation is concerned?

Of course I do, but this thread is not about Salvation it's about F/E.

stevevw · 2025-12-08T03:17:53-0600

Stopped_lurking said:
That is my assumption.

Your assumption was more that 'a boat was put out of play'. You implied that the boat being put out of play was in an innocent situation which should not have been attacked. You did not make a neutral assumption of innocence or guilt. You assumed guit in the language you are using.

Stopped_lurking said:
Their boat was capsized after their first strike, and it was still capsized at the second strike (all according to both Adam Smith and Tom Cotton in the video). No drugs were salvaged according to any reports, or do you have any other info?

And the same people who are privy to the actual intel state that nothing illegal was done. It has been the same protocol used in these situations for past presidents and military and it has never been questioned.

Now some Woke ideologues want to make a big noise about it because they hate Trump and his admin. You are using every bit of info and then assuming guilt. You don't know the intel. You think that a capsized boat means innocent parties which is an assumption. Even the way you word it implies guilt. Your not neutral and have an axe to grind.

Stopped_lurking said:
No radio communication was intercepted, see the video I linked.

So, that doesn't mean they were not trying. This is what I mean. You take 'no radio signal' and immediate assume innocence. Every single little bit of info interpreted as guilty. Its blantantly biased and you can see it in the particular words used.

Stopped_lurking said:
I think it is wrong to fire on capsized boat, do you think it is right?

See your doing ot again. Using the idea of a 'capsized boat' in isolation as though it could be some fisherman stranded to imply a certain meaning to "capsized boat". Its blantant bias.

Stopped_lurking said:
Not true, interdiction is the alternative. Then the same people on the streets of the US is still alive and the smugglers would not have died.

But that did not happen did it. Neither happened. The drug boats were not stopped and the drug problem got worse on the streets. A double wrong. So if the stopping of the drug boats saves 1,000 lives is that good.

Its an ethical dilemma. If people want to complain about the wrong of killing terrorist who are poisoning 1,000s of people systemically through the allowance of druhgs flowing into the nation at unrecedented levels.

Then people can complain about the moral wrong of not doing anything and the actions that the Dems contributed to making the problem much worse. Thus being responsible for those deaths.

Stopped_lurking said:
Why, interdiction is still on the table.

Thats unreal. Its too late and in situations like terrorism there is no stopping them. For evey one you stop 10 replace them. Its like saying that if we tell Hamas very sternly or place a sanction on them that they will happily stop.

Its funny how those complaining suddenly now appeal to interdiction when they never bothers for years.

Stopped_lurking said:
Interdiction. Saves the same number of people in the US with out killing the smugglers.

Thats like we keep pouring water into a bucket with a hole in it. The entire system is broken and it doesn't work. The softly, softly approach that was taken in the name of interdiction is what caused the problem. Now it time for tougher measures to stop it before it completely undermines things.

What I find telling is that the people who are calling for all these moral hoops to jump through are the ones who made the problem and now they want to be the moral police.

Stopped_lurking said:
Then, the second strike should have been against boat number two.

Oh I see so let the terrorist call for help and wait until the backup comes and then engage. Hum I am glad you are not leading the miliary.

Stopped_lurking said:
Did it 2024 vs 2023? The numbers of drug deaths was reduced in 2024 vs 2023, if I remember correctly.

I did not realise they were taking drug boats out back then. Whatever they did it sure did not work because they kept coming and increasing. Its funny as this is the same government who let in 20 million unchecked people who are now causing much chaos.

Stopped_lurking said:
Booh for the Democrats! Ok?

I have nothing against the Dems and want them to be at their best to make for a good and health democracy. But they are not at their best in recent years and have become radicalised. Maybe thats a sign of the times and identity politics. .

Stopped_lurking said:
Booh for Obama! Ok?

Poor old Barak.

Stopped_lurking said:
No, that in itself doesn't make it right to kill them, IMO. If they were still speeding towards their destination, ok.

You don't know the intell. It may be that they have tracked all the intell and know exactly what processes they were dealing with and how these drug were making their way to the US. You don't know and yet you are claiming to know like you are one of the agents lol.

Stopped_lurking said:
Did you watch the video I linked? They were never in a position to carry on.

That video is just the media release version. They also have the classified versions which will have all sorts of intell and angles ect.

Stopped_lurking said:
Were they hitting an already stricken boat again? Why is this an equivalent situation?

Go back and look at the terror hits by Biden and Obama on buildings and vehicles. They often had two and three strikes at the same targets. This is playing general from an armchair and applying one rule to some and not others.

The Liturgist · 2025-12-08T03:17:00-0600

Xeno.of.athens said:
The Law, as revealed by God and fulfilled in Christ, serves as a moral compass and pedagogical guide for the Christian faithful. It includes the Mosaic Law, especially the Decalogue, and finds its perfection in the New Law of the Gospel. “The Law has become our tutor unto Christ” (Galatians 3:24), and its enduring moral precepts are reaffirmed by the Church as binding. The Catechism teaches that “the Old Law is a preparation for the Gospel” and “remains necessary for man” as it “denounces and discloses sin” (CCC §1963–1964).

The Ten Commandments, given to Moses on Sinai (Exodus 20:1–17), are “fundamentally immutable” and “engraved by God in the human heart” (CCC §2072). They express the natural law and are reaffirmed by Christ, who deepens their meaning in the Sermon on the Mount (cf. Matthew 5–7). The Commandments are not abolished but fulfilled in charity: “If you love Me, keep My commandments” (John 14:15). They are the foundation of Christian moral life, guiding the faithful in their duties toward God and neighbour.

For the Christian in this world, the Law and Commandments are not burdens but paths to freedom and holiness. Grace enables their fulfilment, and the Spirit writes them anew on the heart (cf. Jeremiah 31:33; CCC §1965–1966). The faithful are called to interiorise the Law, living it not merely by external observance but through love: “Love is the fulfilment of the law” (Romans 13:10). Thus, the Commandments remain essential, not as relics of legalism, but as living expressions of divine wisdom and the way of life in Christ.

By the way, its amusing that despite you affirming this, and despite the fact that your church is responsible for the majority of worship services celebrated on the seventh day, some sabbatarian members still accuse the Roman Catholic Church falsely of teaching people to break the Ten Commandments, when this is demonstrably, evidently false.

The Liturgist · 2025-12-08T03:14:41-0600

Xeno.of.athens said:
As a help to one's memory, and to make sure we are on the same page, I shall include the verse as a quote.

[NRSVUE acts 15:1] The Council at Jerusalem
Then certain individuals came down from Judea and were teaching the brothers, “Unless you are circumcised according to the custom of Moses, you cannot be saved.”

I say that the "certain individuals" were wrong.

And you are entirely correct on this point, as always, my friend

Chris35 · 2025-12-08T03:13:35-0600

Look, from what your saying it sounds like discipline from God to me.

You talk about an addiction to pain medication, are you still using them?

When you try to stop taking them, do you feel a strong inner suffering inside of you, and thoughts like you need them and can't cope without them?

The Liturgist · 2025-12-08T03:13:21-0600

peter2 said:
i agree, but i wouldn't find useless to assume Mary was supported (and may be supported the apostles) by her belief during the three days of death. As called Peter, i assume the apostle (Peter) must have felt sheepish of his denials before her, even after resurrection, at least up until Jesus gives him back the leadership over his shep, may be still when waiting for the Holy Spirit.
i wonder whether it's not in what preceeds that part of this motherhood of Mary Jesus gives to John (indirectly to Peter) consists

Indeed - this is an interesting point.

You might enjoy reading the Orthodox theotokia, particularly the stavrotheotokia, the hymns venerating the Blessed Virgin Mary at the foot of the Cross.

BPPLEE · 2025-12-08T03:11:44-0600

Yarddog said:
I didn't say that.

You didn’t have to

Strong in Him · 2025-12-08T03:04:22-0600

Apple Sky said:
Sooner the better.

??
What, you want to tell God, face to face, that you went back on your word and called one of his children a liar?
You want to wait until it's too late to repent to do that?
You want to risk hearing that he is disappointed in you?

Rather you than me.

David Lamb · 2025-12-08T03:03:37-0600

Apple Sky said:
To get the truth out.

But you only seem able to do so by accusing others, including Christians, of being liars. Don't you think that Jesus Christ being the only Saviour on Whom sinners must believe to have eternal life is immensely more important than the shape of the earth, the nature of Antarctica, the moon landings, whether gravity exists, and the rest, none of which has any importance as far as salvation is concerned?

Apple Sky · 2025-12-08T02:59:20-0600

David Lamb said:
what is the point of the pages and pages of discussion?

To get the truth out.

Apple Sky · 2025-12-08T02:57:23-0600

Strong in Him said:
Oh you will; no doubt about it.

Sooner the better.

keras · 2025-12-08T02:55:28-0600

Douggg said:
half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city.

This another reference to what happens in Rev 12 and Daniel 9:27 The division of the Christian peoples.
All at the mid point of the final 7 years.
Zechariah 14:3 is Armageddon and verse 4 is the Return of Jesus; to the same place He Ascended from.

Douggg said:
The 1335 days is not dependent upon day 1260. But is the time frame between the AoD is setup until the day that Jesus returns. There is no such thing as an "extra" 75 days.

There is no indication anywhere of the 1335 days commencing before the AoD
But there is evidence of the 30 and the 75 days past the glorious Return. They fit with Atonement and Hanukkah.
Your 'charts ' are in error.

Strong in Him · 2025-12-08T02:47:35-0600

Apple Sky said:
I do wonder who will have the most explaining to do, Me or Charley.

Oh you will; no doubt about it.

Like I said before, GOD saved Charles Duke and gave his his testimony.
Charles tells others about Jesus and how meeting Jesus was far more important than going to the moon.
It's possible that people have become Christians through Charles' testimony - which means he is obeying Jesus' command to preach the Good News.

You publicly said that you believed every word of Charles' testimony.
You said that it was strange believing in a globe earth but that with God's help, you would get there.
You wrote a prayer and said "sorry" to God for doubting the astronauts.
You thanked some of us for helping you to see the truth.
Then one day, you found another video on YouTube and went back on all of that. Presumably you've said "sorry" (again to God for promising to ask for his help and then throwing it back in his face.
You now actively say that a Christian man who tells others about Jesus, is lying - and you get indignant if we don't believe one of your heroes because they are a born again Christian.

David Lamb · 2025-12-08T02:46:12-0600

Apple Sky said:
Sure we do, fake everything, pic's, rocket ships & astronauts etc etc etc.

You have to postulate so many fakes and lies in order to cling on to your beliefs of no moon landings, earth a flat, Antarctica a huge ice wall surrounding the earth, and Zion at the North Pole. All the nations involved in space flight, all the people who have sailed around the world, all the explorers, scientists and others who have visited the poles, all the astronauts who claim to have landed on the moon, and those people include genuine Christians. But why? They are not stopping people from becoming Christians - it is clear from these forums that there are plenty of Christians who do believe the moon landings, who don't believe the earth is a flat disc, and so on, so if it's an attempt to lessen the number of Christians, it's not working. Besides, if your answer to every piece of evidence for the moon landings, or against the earth being flat is to call it "fake" or "lies", what is the point of the pages and pages of discussion?

Apple Sky · 2025-12-08T02:41:46-0600

Noah's Rainbow

stevevw · 2025-12-08T02:38:47-0600

comana said:
I never claimed Trump loyalists are idiots or mindlessly doing Trump’s bidding. No , they are willfully participating and enjoying the benefits of their positions, at least for now. He will discard each and every one of them right under the bus should any of their actions (that he directly asked of them) reflect badly on him.

Your just doubling down on the bad mouthing and identity politics and adding fuel to the fire. Keep creating new unfounded narratives to discredit Trump because people are so fixated on hating him. Its glaringly obvious in that you cannot help mention hin every time you speak lol. You just pile on the accusations and demeaning remarks.

comana said:
As far as the corruption of those opposing Trump, it’s been “coming out” for years and all amounts to distracting headlines and no substance. It’s hard to take each new revelation of corruption seriously at this point.

Well there is substance now.

I literally showed you the evidence and even some Dems are admitting they went too far. We literally heard the lying narrative of Biden being cognitive sharp and Obama spreading lies about some Russia conspiracy to get Trump.

We heard how they were coaching the media and deleting information. Thats literally calling the kettle black that you think the media is biased for Trump lol.

These were lies designed to get Trump and others. They were busted. So I would not be so quick to be taking the moral highground on this.

Apple Sky · 2025-12-08T02:35:33-0600

David Lamb said:
We have plenty of evidence,

Sure we do, fake everything, pic's, rocket ships & astronauts etc etc etc.

timothyu · 2025-12-08T02:28:01-0600

stevevw said:
So I agree national identity is vital. It seems all sorts of different identities are fighting for truth and supremecy.

Its the old end of days indulgence in self-interest that started in the Garden and is once again going global and testing those who claim they love all as self..

Apple Sky · 2025-12-08T02:22:15-0600

Strong in Him said:
You will have to explain to God why you went back on your vow to ask for his help, and why you think that one of his children who is telling others about Jesus, is lying. But that's for you to deal with.

I do wonder who will have the most explaining to do, Me or Charley.

Douggg · 2025-12-08T02:09:10-0600

keras said:
But the 1335 days, [1260 + 75] cannot begin before the mid point of the final 7 years.
Logically and scripturally, the extra 75 days must come after the glorious Return.

The 1335 days is not dependent upon day 1260. But is the time frame between the AoD is setup until the day that Jesus returns. There is no such thing as an "extra" 75 days.

Strong in Him · 2025-12-08T02:07:58-0600

Apple Sky said:
First we need credible evidence that they even went to the moon as these videos just don't cut it.

You can say what you like - you know perfectly well that Charles Duke went to the moon.
You watched his testimony, believed every word, were moved by it and it led you to a) write a prayer saying "sorry" to God for doubting them, b) write the words "I reckon Flat Earth is a load of nonsense" and c) publicly state that you would ask for God's help in sticking to your new belief.

Yes, you later changed your mind (repented) about all that - and said "sorry" (again) to God for being sorry and vowing to ask for his help. But the point is; it happened.
I suspect the "goosebumps" you felt when you first watched, and believed, this testimony was actually the Holy Spirit witnessing to you that it was true.
The fact that you are now rubbishing it and saying that Charles is a liar, is not only sad but actually quite serious.
You will have to explain to God why you went back on your vow to ask for his help, and why you think that one of his children who is telling others about Jesus, is lying. But that's for you to deal with.

Why you would put yourself in that position, and possibly even risk God's displeasure, for something that isn't even important, is beyond me - but, like I said; your problem.

Douggg · 2025-12-08T02:02:20-0600

keras said:
Another failure to properly read what the Prophets said.
Zechariah 14:1-2 tells of the conquest of the Christian nation of Beulah

Zechariah 14:1-5 is at the end of the 7 years, at the time of Jesus's return, when Jesus will stand on the mount of Olives and split it in half in Zechariah 14:4. Zechariah 14 does not mention Beulah, but the city of Jerusalem in Zechariah 14:2.

2 For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city.

3 Then shall the LORD go forth, and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle.

4 And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south.

keras said:
It will be the conquerors of the Holy Land that the 2 Witnesses will preach to.

keras, the 1260 days of the two witnesses will be the same 1260 days of Revelation 12:6. All of the like time frames go together. The 1260 days are color coded yellow on my chart.

rockytopva · 2025-12-08T01:55:38-0600

We didn't come to borrow any money,
We didn't come to borrow any dough,
We didn't come to borrow any trouble,
We just dropped in to say hello,

Hellllll-o to you Mr. Manny,
Please don't think that we are hammy,
We just dropped in from Alabammy,
We just dropped in to say Hello!

Oh boy you said it!

Manny Weeks: Good Bye!

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