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Jerry N. · 2025-12-16T04:33:39-0600

Kathleen30 said:
Prodromos what be nonsense? what model held sway in those centuries you mention . It certainly wasn’t what Copernicus or Kepler promoted. Geocentricity was still the accepted model

So was the theory of the four humors, and germ theory was rejected.

Richard T · 2025-12-16T04:30:53-0600

More and more data is coming out on the harms of smoking pot. It always seems weird though that the Federal Government refuses to prosecute Federal laws that are on the books. I guess with pot if is too impractical. But I suppose it still is not federally "legal."

Jerry N. · 2025-12-16T04:29:23-0600

Kathleen30 said:
Jerry . Joshua wrote under the inspiration and guidance of God . As with all other authors of the Bible. So it’s from Gods perspective. Not merely man’s perspective. Joshua is mostly a historical account. And should be taken that way accordingly as a literal account. . Yu say ( how do yu know? Joshua just wrote what he saw) because we have the book of Joshua that testifies to that . And it says what it says . As I said at the beginning of Apples post. The Bible is an extremely geocentric book. What to do with that ? Does the Bible have to bow to the science of men as with old age earth theory, evolutionary theory and now heliocentric theory as well, and now to be interpreted another way to appease the Science of mere men ? View attachment 374569 I don’t find it as a mere coincidence that all 3 theories turned up around the same time in the 19th century. As if a 3 pronged attack to undermine the authority of the word of God. One thing is certain all three challenge the word of God . Whereas the geocentric view puts humanity and the earth in a very special place with the sun rotating around us being. And the us being Gods crowning achievement. All heliocentricity does is place humanity at the ass end of the universe as just a another meaningless speck amongst a vast array of galaxies as is attested well in the numerous publications of science today. Who knows perhaps geocentricity Reeked to much of God for a man centred ideology to prosper and so again the Bible must be brought into submission to man. Jerry My thoughts for today.. Kathleen

I’ve been busy with other things, but I wanted to reply anyway. First of all, I believe that the Bible is inspired by God. However, different books have different levels of inspiration. Some are just eye-witness accounts inspired to the point that the authors wrote truthfully. Joshua, Kings and Chronicles are books of this sort. There was no reason for God to explain His miracles, but He did want the events recorded accurately. Many writings are from the human perspective in relation to what God did for them. That is the point, not explaining the workings of the creation.

You wrote, “All heliocentricism does is place humanity at the ass end of the universe as just another meaningless speck amongst a vast array of galaxies.” I see this in the opposite light. God gave special attention to “this meaningless speck” and sent His Son to save us. That is the way God is. My wife works with a microscope and shows me the amazing complexity of the microscopic world. The wonder of creation is not dependent on size or location.

Richard T · 2025-12-16T04:25:56-0600

Hans Blaster said:
DeSantis? Eww. (white boots don't look good on me)

It's not the governor's job to fight the "ungodly". He is not a church official.

I doubt that Florida law permits these types of actions by the government. State budgets are like federal budgets -- laws. Using monies outside their intended purposes tends to be criminal. Perhaps, someday in the future, Florida will be less corrupt.

You can call it what you want. Conservatives are expected to fight against abortion and many fight against decriminalization of pot. American churches often too try to make such leaders more like "Church officials." we see it al the time. Regardless though the ends do not justify the means. Desantis should have used private money, not state money. I am not sure how loose Florida is on this. I'm guessing he will get a pass though. I am thinking his stock for political influence is waning. Like Trump he is too authoritarian. I doubt America will vote like that again. I asked google ai what USA Governor was the most authoritarian. DeSantis was indeed first. Newsom though was also mentioned.

Nithavela · 2025-12-16T04:25:22-0600

Your constant refrain of saying that western civilisation wouldn't collapse if everyone just prayed at the altar of your religion reminds me of confucianism and it's attempt to prop up a failing societal order by demanding everyone follows the same rituals surrounding that order.

Nithavela · 2025-12-16T04:23:38-0600

The residents of hong kong have been offered a path to citizenship, and not just asylum, in the UK multiple times over the last decade.

New route to settlement in the UK opens for Hong Kong citizens

British National (Overseas) citizens from Hong Kong and their family members will be able to apply for leave to enter or remain

www.wilsonllp.co.uk

Any who don't take this offer either are prevented by the chinese government or are unwilling or otherwise unable on their end.

The "two systems" were always freedom with an expiry date, and the people of hong kong should have left the country much earlier, when the going was still good.

truthuprootsevil · 2025-12-16T04:19:20-0600

JSRG said:
No it doesn't. All it says is that Constantine introduced the first civil legislation concerning Sunday. Nothing about making it the day of worship. Indeed, your very link acknowledges that Justin Martyr, who lived more than a century before Constantine was even born, refers to Sunday as the Christian day of worship. So your own link actually refutes the claim that "Constantine made the day of worship on the first day."

Incidentally, something I notice odd about this link, and indeed your links in general. Instead of actually linking to a page, you instead link off to some Google link when then directs you to the actual link. So your above link brings you to Sunday | Rest, Worship, Reflection | Britannica, a Google link which then transfers you to Sunday | Rest, Worship, Reflection | Britannica. Why do you not just give the direct link? Not only does it link directly, it allows them to see beforehand where the link will take them.

Yes the link does: Quote _ the emperor Constantine I (died337), a convert to Christianity, introduce the first civil legislation, [""which means he made it Law,""] concerning Sunday in 321, when he decreed that all work should cease on that day, except Farmers could work if necessary. That law aimed at providing time for worship, was followed later in the same century, and in subsequent centuries by further restrictions of Sunday activities........ that is what is written IN THE ENCYCLOPEDIA BRITANNICA ON THE LINK I GAVE. You seem to have overlooked that part or maybe you just didn't read it, or refuse understand or acknowledge it, when it is written plainly.

And I use the encyclopedia Britannica because it cannot be said it is bias; most likely the links below can be or will be said by those who believe the Sabbath is now Sunday said is bias
March 7, 321 AD – Constantine’s Sunday Law – The Sabbath Sentinel March 7, 321 AD – Constantine’s Sunday Law

QUERY COLUMN: Pagan Sunday Observance

Was Sunday generally observed as a day of rest by sun worshipers throughout the Roman Empire prior to March 7, A.D. 321, the date when the emperor Constantine issued the first civil law forbidding labor on that day?

www.ministrymagazine.org

Day of rest / Day of Worship both equal Seventh-Day Sabbath.

Everything You Need to Know About Shabbat Services | Reform Judaism Everything You Need to Know About Shabbat Services

What Is Shabbat? - The Jewish Day of Rest - Chabad.org https://share.google/h6UYVcNPRBgKyq0Rg

And my little device doesn't pull up all the information that is out there throughout the past decade I've seen much more. Your statement Why don't I give direct links - I give the links my device pulls up. - Sorry you have to go through Google to get to the link, does it matter, doesn't that mean a safer search?

JulieB67 · 2025-12-16T04:14:43-0600

Jipsah said:
It drives unbelievers away, and on the whole present Christians as bad people who cheerfully contemplate the endless and infinite torture of everyone but themselves. It hold the Church as a whole up for ridicule and drives away the very people who we should be trying to reach.

Yes! This is the most damaging thing about the ECT doctrine.

JulieB67 · 2025-12-16T04:11:07-0600

1Tonne said:
but we cannot isolate words from the full teaching of Scripture and the character of God.

Your doctrine hangs on a but a few misunderstood verses and the redefining of words. When we take the bible as a whole it's laid out very clearly what will happen to the wicked.

1Tonne said:
We must let the Bible define life and death, not our assumption of a single “primary meaning.

Yes, we should and it does. You have to insert the secondary meaning because it props up your doctrine but for the verses I've posted the primary fits. Both body and soul fits the primary meaning. If one of those were missing you'd have some wiggle room for your definition but you don't. Christ calls it the second death and afterwards we are told there shall be no more death. So you're statements about people suffering "ongoing death" is also false and unbiblical. You have to continually add to God's word and that's a dangerous thing to do.

1Tonne said:
” Words like apollumi are used in Scripture to describe the eternal ruin and suffering of the wicked,

You agreed that the primary meaning was "destroy fully" so I asked you for some examples used in the Bible for when it actually does mean exactly that vs Matthew 10:28 and others. You act as if the second meaning is the primary.

Richard T · 2025-12-16T04:10:15-0600

Ill give it my best shot. If a state leans toward one political party, then the rule is conciliatory and honors the State's Senators who are closer to the needs and wants of that particular state. The GOP in Utah would not like Obama naming a liberal, and Delaware does not want a Trump pick. The tradition shows a little humanity and goodwill to the opposition. Maybe Trump is adamant in Delaware because of Biden? Trump too is all in, he wanted to blow up the filibuster. He is not thinking about the future and how that will play out. Partisanship or the belief that one party or group must do everything is prideful. Government is supposed to be divided, to keep the whole system in check. To nitpick about the US attorney for Delaware is a reach.
I don't like the idea that everyone that does not follow Trump is a RINO. RINO stands for doing non-republican things. But in many ways Trump is a RINO himself in much bigger ways than denying the President a Attorney General, when tradition says otherwise.

Christsfreeservant · 2025-12-16T04:03:43-0600

Mary had been visited by an angel of God and told that she was going to give birth to the Son of God and that she was to name him “Jesus.” But Mary was a virgin and had not been with a man, so she wondered how this would happen. And the angel told her that the Holy Spirit would come upon her, i.e. that the baby would be conceived of the Holy Spirit and not of man. Therefore, when Jesus was born and he lived on the earth, he did not have a sin nature as we did, and he was fully human and fully God (God incarnate).

Sometime after Mary’s encounter with the angel, she went to the home of Zacharias and Elizabeth, and when Elizabeth heard Mary’s greeting, the baby in her womb leaped for joy. And that baby ended up being John the Baptist who God used to prepare the way of the Lord Jesus Christ. And Elizabeth called Mary blessed because she believed that there would be a fulfillment of what the Lord had said to her through the angel. For Mary considered herself the bondslave of the Lord, and so she submitted to God’s will for her life.

And Mary said: “My soul exalts the Lord,

And my spirit has rejoiced in God my Savior.

For He has had regard for the humble state of His bondslave;

For behold, from this time on all generations will count me blessed.

For the Mighty One has done great things for me;

And holy is His name.

And His mercy is upon generation after generation

Toward those who fear Him.

He has done mighty deeds with His arm;

He has scattered those who were proud in the thoughts of their heart.” (Luke 1:46-51 NASB1995)

Mary gave all the glory and praise and credit to God and to God alone for what the Lord was doing in her life. She recognized that, even though all generations from that time forward would most certainly count her blessed of God, it was because of the great things that God did for her. So she did not raise herself up above all others. She did not desire to be worshiped. She was humble of heart and mind that God would choose her to give birth to the Son of God. So her soul exalted the Lord, and not herself.

And all of us who have trusted in Jesus Christ to be Lord and Savior of our lives should have the same frame of mind and heart as Mary did in recognizing that God is our source for all the good that he does in and through our lives, and that we should give him all the glory and not take glory for ourselves. If he calls us by his grace to a particular area of ministry or service to him, we should be sure to give him all the glory and praise, and to give him all the credit for what he is doing in and through our lives.

But then Mary went on to talk about God’s mercy upon generation after generation toward those who fear him, as Mary feared God. And to fear God is to be in awe of him and to show him respect, honor, reverence, worship, devotion, and obedience to his commands. It is to take God’s words to heart, to believe them, and to honor them. And we do this when we submit to his Lordship over our lives, and we willingly deny self, die to sin daily, and walk in obedience to his commands, all in the power of God and by his grace.

But those who do not fear the Lord, because they are proud in the thoughts of their heart, he will scatter (dismiss, terminate). For Jesus Christ, in his death on that cross, put our sins to death with him so that, by faith in him, we will now die to sin and live to obey our Lord and his commands. So, all who refuse to bow the knee to him, to humble themselves, and to submit to his will, and who choose their own sinful path, instead, even if they profess faith in the name of Jesus, they will not inherit eternal life with God.

For we learn in 1 John 1-3 that if we claim that we have fellowship with God, but yet we walk in darkness (sin), we are liars. If we claim that we know God, but we do not obey his commandments, in practice, we are liars. For it is not the one who claims he is “in Christ” who is “in Christ,” but it is the one who has denied self, died with Christ to sin, and who is now walking in obedience to our Lord and to his commands, in practice, and no longer in sin. We have the hope and the promise of eternal life with God in heaven.

[Matthew 7:13-14,21-23; Luke 9:23-26; John 10:27-30; Acts 26:18; Romans 1:18-32; Romans 2:5-10; Romans 3:23; Romans 6:1-23; Romans 8:1-14; 1 Corinthians 10:1-22; Galatians 5:16-24; Ephesians 2:8-10; Ephesians 4:17-32; Ephesians 5:3-6; Titus 2:11-14; Hebrews 3:1-19; Hebrews 4:1-13; Hebrews 10:19-39; Hebrews 12:1-2; 1 Peter 2:24; 1 John 1:1-10; 1 John 2:3-6; 1 John 3:4-10; Revelation 2:1-29; Revelation 3:1-22]

As the Deer

By Martin J. Nystrom
Based off Psalm 42:1

As the deer panteth for the water
So my soul longeth after You
You alone are my heart's desire
And I long to worship You

You alone are my strength, my shield
To You alone may my spirit yield
You alone are my heart's desire
And I long to worship You

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My Soul Exalts The Lord
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prodromos · 2025-12-16T04:03:35-0600

Apple Sky said:
Evidence enough.

No, because I cannot confirm or deny anything in the video. Without citations and references there is nothing to look at.

GoldenBoy89 · 2025-12-16T04:03:32-0600

rjs330 said:
So, we allow in prople from third world countries, who are mostly likely poor, u educated, can't speak the language, have no measurable skills, come from places run by Islamists, and have considerably different cultural norms and values, including criminal activities and we expect what exactly? That they are going to assimilate or that they arw going to continue to behave the way they did in the country where they are from? What exactly are they offering to do for this country except to come and make it like the crappy place they came from? Complain about us? Not show one iota of gratefulness?

Why would anyone feel grateful running into attitudes like this?

Bradskii · 2025-12-16T03:59:02-0600

Valletta said:
The damage to society needs to stop.

That's it? So many men, women and children gunned down and you can't even offer a thought for those dead and those still fighting for life? All you can offer is a blazingly unsubtle bumper sticker version of your first political diatribe?

BelieveItOarKnot · 2025-12-16T03:57:44-0600

zelosravioli said:
Daniel 12:2 as well as Matt 25:46 are both antithetical parallelisms, it is a literary device common to scripture and needs to be understood how it’s use can be misunderstood as well as understood.

Brilliant deduction. That's exactly what it is. So let's make this more interesting.

IF Mark 4:15 is true, and anyone who has experienced internal temptations via the tempter knows this is true, THEN both sides of that equation can be applied to ONE PERSON, that being the person and the tempter.

Similar constructs are found throughout the scriptures. In Daniel for example there are other like statements:

Daniel 11:33-34
And they that understand among the people shall instruct many: yet they shall fall by the sword, and by flame, by captivity, and by spoil, many days.
34 Now when they shall fall, they shall be holpen with a little help: but many shall cleave to them with flatteries.

IF we read that people and the tempter or his own are the construct of people shown by scripture, THEN narratives take on far more detailed interests.

In Matt. 25's sheep/goat account there are only 2 parties disclosed, that being people and the devil and his messengers. These happen to be walking in the same pair of shoes. So "most" when they read it are falsely led to believe they are only a sheep, but they can not perceive that the goat is with them as well.

This aspect of scripture is largely ignored, hidden, misunderstood, denied. But it is the only path through to understand that every Word of God applies to all of us. Matt. 4:4, Luke 4:4, Deut. 8:3

And again, IF this is true, THEN the damnation, wrath and ECT are actually our BEST ALLIES, because these are against the very enemies that we bear in our own sorry hides.

Matt5 · 2025-12-16T03:53:58-0600

The categories of (rignt-wing) terrorism are obviously framed by communists. The demand for right-wing terrorism by the left exceeds the supply, so they make things up to fill the gap. Was the Jussie Smollett incident included? The article was lite on specifics.

I had Grok AI make a list from the article:

Definition of Terrorism: The deliberate use or threat of premeditated violence by nonstate actors with the intent to achieve political goals by creating a broad psychological impact.
Left-wing Terrorism - Motivated by: Opposition to capitalism
Left-wing Terrorism - Motivated by: Opposition to imperialism
Left-wing Terrorism - Motivated by: Opposition to colonialism
Left-wing Terrorism - Motivated by: Black nationalism
Left-wing Terrorism - Motivated by: Support for LGBTQ+ rights
Left-wing Terrorism - Motivated by: Support for environmental causes
Left-wing Terrorism - Motivated by: Support for animal rights
Left-wing Terrorism - Motivated by: Adherence to pro-communist beliefs
Left-wing Terrorism - Motivated by: Adherence to pro-socialist beliefs
Left-wing Terrorism - Motivated by: “Anti-fascist” rhetoric
Left-wing Terrorism - Motivated by: Opposition to government authority under the belief it is a tool of oppression responsible for social injustices
Left-wing Terrorism - Motivated by: Support for decentralized political and social systems, such as anarchism
Left-wing Terrorism - Motivated by: Partisan extremism, where violence is justified against political opponents and parties perceived as advancing right-wing agendas
Right-wing Terrorism - Motivated by: Ideas of racial supremacy
Right-wing Terrorism - Motivated by: Ideas of ethnic supremacy
Right-wing Terrorism - Motivated by: Opposition to government authority, believing it is tyrannical and illegitimate
Right-wing Terrorism - Motivated by: Misogyny, including incels
Right-wing Terrorism - Motivated by: Hatred based on sexuality or gender identity
Right-wing Terrorism - Motivated by: Belief in the QAnon conspiracy theory
Right-wing Terrorism - Motivated by: Opposition to abortion
Right-wing Terrorism - Motivated by: Partisan extremism, where violence is justified against political opponents and parties perceived as advancing left-wing agendas

Bradskii · 2025-12-16T03:51:57-0600

Always in His Presence said:
Trump shot by far left
Charlie Kirk - shot by far left
Judge Kavanaugh - far left assassin arrested
Steve Scalise - shot by far left

What a truly bizarre thread. Someone on the right pointing out that atrocities by far right wing extremists are nearly as minimal this year, after over 30 years of being grossly over represented, as those by the far left.

Notwithstanding that the types of acts that are being investigated by the linked paper are rejected as being unconscionable by all reasonable people on both sides of the political fence.

So what's the purpose. Are you implying 'Hey, we are doing almost as little as you'? Or 'We aren't as bad these days as we used to be'.

Who on earth is in this forum that is represented by the 'we'? Are you including yourself? Are you trying to divide people into different sides that would align with far right or far left extremism?

Richard T · 2025-12-16T03:43:48-0600

Pommer said:
Why did the OP inject race into the thread?

Or first world? Course the first will be last in the kingdom, so to me nothing to claim.

rjs330 · 2025-12-16T03:35:37-0600

So, we allow in prople from third world countries, who are mostly likely poor, u educated, can't speak the language, have no measurable skills, come from places run by Islamists, and have considerably different cultural norms and values, including criminal activities and we expect what exactly? That they are going to assimilate or that they arw going to continue to behave the way they did in the country where they are from? What exactly are they offering to do for this country except to come and make it like the crappy place they came from? Complain about us? Not show one iota of gratefulness?

stevevw · 2025-12-16T03:32:48-0600

timothyu said:
The fact Gentiles think they are the only Church is telling in itself. They did their best to weed out the Jews but there is absolutely no reason why said Jews cannot maintain their heritage and religion, while also following Jesus. Universal means all, not one group. That is how it was done in the beginning, and so it shall be in the end. The Church is truth from the Father, not Jew or Gentile.

Actually I think both sides pushed each other away and in some ways this was inevitable in that the majority of Jewish sects at that time and the climate of Jewish revolt against Rome anyone who did not side with the Jews cause was seen as an outsider.

So by the time of the Bar Kokhba Revolt in the 130s AD The traditional Jewish sects which more or less bandied together against Rome were calling the Christians traitors and not supporting the revolt.

Which is exactly what the Christians should have done.

But we also see the influence of the Jewish tradition within Christianity up until around the 4th or 5th century and even beyond in some places. The archeological evidence of early churches that look more or less like Jewish synagogues with much of their setup and worship still in the traditional Jewish practice.

And so it should have been the case because Christianity is not a rejection of its traditional roots. Its part of Christianity. But like all positions of power once the church was in bed with the State and became political it began to regulate. Create a divide.

But I think in both cases this was a human created movement designed to make Gods Kingdom an earthly power. They just went about it in different ways. In some ways reactions and a consequence of the establishing of Christs church from all others.

I think the examples of the early church and especially maybe the first 100 years up to the Jewish revolt we see how we should be as a church. Still steeped in the Jewish roots and how this evolved and integrated and not rejected. The symbolism and ritual is very much the same but made so that all nations are able to come to Gods alter to sacrifice themselves as a pure offering to God in Christ.

I think if we lose this connection we lose the true representation and thats when I agree that the Gentiles go too far and try to recreate the church and Christ into their own rationalised and modernised image and not Gods.

So now more than ever the church needs to remember its roots and get back to basics before it lost its ways. .

Bradskii · 2025-12-16T03:32:29-0600

Valletta said:
I agree with many others that the biggest problem in the world is a lack of recognition of evil. Very soon after this horrific event the prime minister of Australia and others in his party, joined by Congresswoman Omar in the U.S., were using the murders to push their politics for stricter gun control. Of course the vehicles in Christmas bombings are never blamed, the blind spot is that it is people, of real flesh and blood, often in radical Islam, who commit the terrorist acts. Because most Muslims are not violent is not a reason to pretend that a careful examination of people coming into a country where these groups have a strong presence is somehow racist or bigoted. It would easier to be silent about the culture of anti-semitism and anti-Christianity, but brave ones like Miranda Devine do speak out in order to try and prevent as many as possible such future events from happening.

So you didn't even try to make the effort. But again, I didn't expect anything else.

Reluctant Theologian · 2025-12-16T03:28:55-0600

As this list is a lot larger than the Protestant Canon .. what were your criteria to consider these 'inspired', and does 'inspired' to your understanding also mean 'infallible' ? In other words, what led to your understanding as such?

timewerx · 2025-12-16T03:26:27-0600

ChristianSonic said:
Dude, it’s not about the magnitude of the love, it’s about the exclusiveness of it. God loves everyone equally. Also, marriage won’t complete me. It’s simply a love I want because it’s one that’s exclusive. Also, I will not tolerate your accusations of idolatry, leave that at the door. God is the one true God, there is no other. I am complete in Christ, but that doesn’t mean that I can’t want marriage.

Get married if that's what you desire.

But God does not love everyone equally. You should read the Book of John over and over. It said Jesus loved His disciples. But no mention that He loved the Pharisees. Not one of those He loves will be lost. But if the Pharisees are lost many of them will remain in that state, what then?

Jesus also regarded His closest disciples as friends and no longer servants.

Yes, the Bible told us to love our enemies. Jesus do love the Pharisees, otherwise he never would have preached the Gospel to them but not in the same degree that He loved His disciples.

The gift of eternal life is granted only to those believes and *lives* in Him. And Jesus regards them as friends, not servants. To the rest, they only have uncertainty.

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