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boughtwithaprice · 2025-11-27T12:27:48-0600

Sabbath blessings, your arguments from scripture would have more weight if I were arguing for the abolishment of the Sabbath. That is not true. I say with the Apostles and New Testament scripture that the Sabbath has been fulfilled in Christ Jesus

Do you have any apostolic teaching where they tell us we must continue to keep the Jewish sabbath? If not, then you are speaking of your own inference on the scriptures.
Should we obey Apostles or the inferences of those that claim to be Apostles?

I have read the book From Sabbath to Sunday that was recommended to me by Bob Ryan.
In it, I find no concrete Apostolic teaching that uses Scripture as you do. There are plenty of negative critiques of Iraneus, Justin Martyr and other first and second century Church fathers, but no Apostle can be recorded claiming Christians must worship on the Sabbath

Do you know of or have any such teaching?

The council of Jerusalem in the book of Acts does not even mention the Sabbath. To you, it is the implied, but the Apostles and early Church Fathers contradict that assessment. Why is that?

Dreyma · 2025-11-27T12:24:42-0600

Lukaris said:
I mean that if someone is guilty of the unforgivable sin then where else will they end up but in hell?

Well, the theory posited by OP is that they do not "end up" anywhere but are instead destroyed.

I would agree with you, though. I think Hell is a real place.

Dreyma · 2025-11-27T12:19:16-0600

RamiC said:
How can I know if I am saved? | GotQuestions.org

I'm sad to say I have read this article and many others like it before.

To answer the questions posed there:
I have not repented of my sins. I'm no longer the person I used to be (in a sense), but that's because I've become more sinful and doubtful with age. If the Holy Spirit is in me, I see no inward or outward evidence of that. I rarely read the Bible outside of church, and I don't obey its commands as I ought. I don't share the gospel because my fear of being judged is greater than my love for others.

Given all of that, I would say the obvious answer is: No, I'm still dead in my sin.

BCP1928 · 2025-11-27T12:15:09-0600

Hvizsgyak said:
And those cultures usually killed those types of people. At least here and now, we don't kill people (thank God). We tolerate it to a certain degree and allow the person to live their fantasy. We just ask that they don't shove it in the public face and demand idiotic things like letting them use bathrooms of their preferred choice and trying to indoctrinate the youth of our culture. Keep it on the down-low. It has been working very well in most countries (including here in the US)

I (and millions of others) feel this is a very generous solution. Take it before it is off the table.

Most students borrow the money to go to these mainly public colleges (alot of it is from tax payer dollars). Just because the majority may want this garbage taught to them, we, as a society, should be able to choose what is moral and taught in those colleges.

comana said:
If the majority want to study it, then the moral choice has already been made by the students themselves. They are not excluded from ”we, as a society”.

No, universities should teach what is true about trans. Trans is a real phenomenon. Trans people exist and always have and societies have dealt with the phenomenon in different ways. Whether you think trans is immoral or not, teaching about trans is not immoral, especially not for teachers who will of necessity have to deal with trans kids in their classrooms.

Landon Caeli · 2025-11-27T12:14:18-0600

Hans Blaster said:
It is a far better thing to know something than to look for for affirmation of your wrongness with A"I".

What your AI overview fails to mention that epigenetic effects last for at most 2-3 generations. So if there were any from fighting the Ottomans they were gone long before your immigrant ancestor's grandfather was born. (The epigenetic impacts of battle would be the biochemical responses to stress. Those don't tend to be beneficial to persons not under stress.)

AI Overview

Transgenerational epigenetic effects in humans can persist for at least several generations, with some studies suggesting they can last for four or more generations.

Potential for even longer effects: The persistence of these effects beyond five generations in humans is not yet fully understood, but the ongoing research suggests that it is a possibility, and the effects could be more frequent and long-lasting than previously thought.

Always in His Presence · 2025-11-27T12:12:31-0600

RocksInMyHead said:
From what I can read of the article, it seems that the people they were blocking were merely annoyed and irritated. So, why did you choose to present it as an example of "menace"?

Always happy to inform:

menace - definition:
menace /mĕn′ĭs/

noun

A possible danger; a threat.
"a careless driver who was a menace to public safety."
The quality of being threatening.
"a hint of menace in his voice."
A troublesome or annoying person.
"considered her little brother to be a menace."

Lukaris · 2025-11-27T12:11:05-0600

Dreyma said:
How does this relate to what I was saying about the issue of whether Hell exists? (I don't mean that in a rude way. I'm just confused, sorry.)

I mean that if someone is guilty of the unforgivable sin then where else will they end up but in hell? I don’t know precisely what blasphemy against the Holy Spirit is ( I can think of examples like say an unrepentant murderer but that’s it).

Jerry N. · 2025-11-27T12:10:43-0600

Apple Sky said:
But they do & people just can't see it or rather they just don't want to see it.

It is just like you can see that the shampoo will make you pretty. You are seeing what you want to see. You distrust science and the establishment, which you should, but it encourages you to distrust the truth from science and the establishment. One of the most common lies is “I'm from the government, and I’m here to help you.” I find this to be often the case. However, the government actually came to our farm and helped. You should take things piece by piece, and not paint with a broad brush. They lied about the Covid vaccine, but it doesn’t mean they lied about the moon landing.

Belk · 2025-11-27T12:09:57-0600

First off, thank you for answering my question.

Postvieww said:
By implying there have been illegal orders or may be in the future which is ridiculous.

I do not see how this is "ridiculous". It is certainly a partisan jab, I will give you that. But it is not like this is outside the realm of possibility given human nature. It was not that long ago that we saw atrocities ordered by world leaders and Trump has a history of skirting the law while demanding loyalty to his actions.

Postvieww said:
It also plants the seed to disobey orders from the Commander in Chief.

No, it does not. If it did then the exact same message that is included in every military recruits training would plant the seed. The thing I find telling is the lack of this outrage when a military commander refused to follow Biden's orders because he believed Trumps "big steal" lie.

Postvieww said:
It is all about undermining Trump which has been going on since he first announced his first candidacy. It is ridiculous believing our brave service men and women need to be reminded of their responsibilities by a bunch of partisans masquerading as leaders. Who on the left thought this was a good idea, who scripted this and who produced this disgrace?

No, that was not their intent. I don't think you are capable of discerning their intent as you are to far from what their reality is.

another_lost_guy · 2025-11-27T12:07:57-0600

Hvizsgyak said:
And that is why ASP is a much better choice than being part of the groypers (who dislike people from other cultures and backgrounds). ASP embraces the belief that ALL people have been created by God and they should all be treated with love and dignity. And yes, the act of engaging in homosexual sex is very much frowned upon but still those who engage in such acts are to be loved and dignified. Groypers, in my eyes, are haters. Looking at Nick Fuentes, I see very little love in his heart for those he speaks against.

I have issue with ASP supporting homosexuality and I have issue with groyperism for being against immigration but ultimately groypers are more productive and popular so I think it makes more sense to support groypers. I was a cringey libertarian weirdo who only vaguely believed in God before I stumbled upon a Nick Fuentes video in 2018. His sense of humor and faith inspired me to actually read the Bible

Studyman · 2025-11-27T12:04:46-0600

SabbathBlessings said:
So basically you are saying you have no Scripture where God made the annual feasts days, which included animal sacrifices, as part of creation and His perfect plan before sin so if God didn't add them, there must be a reason, so not "my" reasoning.

I don't believe God desired animal sacrifices, and the Feasts of the Lord were not about the Blood of animals, in my view.

I pointed out to you, Paul's teaching which clearly shows you that Abraham, or those before him, was not under the Levitical Priesthood "Animal Sacrifices for sins", as this Priesthood Covenant wasn't "ADDED" until 430 years after Abraham, which the very NAME of the temporary Priesthood proves since Levi was not even born until centuries after Abraham was dead and buried. This is undisputed Biblical Fact. You are free to dispute it, ignore it, whatever, I was only pointing it out.

I also pointed out to you both Abraham's words, and Jesus' Words which show me that Abraham knew of the Christ, and His Purpose. I think Jesus telling me Abraham "Saw His Day" meant that Abraham understood that HE would be the Lamb that God provides who would offer His Life for Abraham's sins. Abel, Noah and Abraham all gave free will offerings to God that God accepted. If you were interested in seeking Biblical Truth, you would study to understand why.

SabbathBlessings said:
Essentially claiming the annual feasts days was part of Creation is saying God made it in His perfect plan to kill innocent lambs and goats for no reason, so whose reasoning is this, mans or God's.

Of course your post is foolishness. The Feasts of the Lord were never about the blood of animals. They were always shadows of things yet to come. And Passover and Feast of Unleavened bread were given to Israel before the Levitical Priesthood, before the 10 Commandments, and before the Sabbath. You keep saying God does things for a reason. And you preach that the Sabbath has "more value" to God because it is part of the 10 Commandments, or it was enumerated at creation. But you don't want to talk about the Christ's Passover, slain from the foundation of the world.

And Jesus kept the Passover with His Disciples and showed them the way to continue in the observance now that the Lamb of God had come. So the Disciples also saw His Day, and was Glad. Zacharias saw His Day, and was glad. Simeon saw His Day, and was Glad. Noah Saw His Day, and was glad. David saw His Day, and was Glad.

I too, saw His Day and am glad.

SabbathBlessings said:
There is not one verse that indicates this until after sin.

LOL, Of course not, man doesn't need a covering for sin until "AFTER" he Sins. Notice God didn't give them Law "Because they broke His Law". Yet this is your preaching concerning the Children of Israel. And did they go out and kill goats and sheep to cover their own sins/nakedness? Of course not. God made coats and "Covered them". The Law to kill goats to cover their own sins wasn't "ADDED" until 430 years later.

SabbathBlessings said:
Gen3:21 Adam and Eve lost their robe of righteousness when they sinned so God covered them with animal skins - which was the atonement for sins

No, it wasn't the atonement for their sins. It was a shadow of the Atonement for their sins. They are still dead and buried, waiting for the resurrection. Waiting for the Salvation of God. I would post scriptures, but I don't think they would matter.

SabbathBlessings said:
and would have never happened had Adam and Eve stayed faithful to God.

True, but God knew the first Adam would fall, and HE had the Salvation plan in place, and covered them with it, "After his sin".

SabbathBlessings said:
This always represented God's future sacrifice of His own Son, for sins, covering our sins with His blood. The feast days, that some were annual sabbaths and animal sacrifices always pointed forward to Jesus to His Sacrifice. Heb10:1-14 Heb9:10-15 1 Cor5:7 John1:29

Yes, that is the whole point of my argument with you. God's Salvation plan, Passover, Feast of Unleavened bread, Feasts of weeks, etc., are all shadows of the journey His People make in this world. It always foreshadowed Christ's Offering to God.

It was in place from the very beginning because God knew the Sacrifice would be needed, therefore it was written, "Slain from the foundation of the world". And as I have shown "from scripture", Abraham knew this, Saw this, and was Glad.

SabbathBlessings said:
And sadly did not own the error that Moses did not write the Ten Commandments 1st or 2nd time but God did Himself.

I addressed it specifically, I asked you 3 questions but you refused to answer them. I posted the exact scriptures of this event for your review and discussion but you didn't even acknowledge them.

eleos1954 · 2025-11-27T12:04:19-0600

CLEEB said:
John 13:34 Mark 12:29-31 Notice Jesus said ”there are No Commandments greater than these”, these two commandments are greater than the Ten Commandments. People fail to see that Jesus came to save us from the ministry of death, written and engraved on stones, the Ten Commandments. 2 Corinthians 3:7 It should be obvious that no one can keep the Ten Commandments because all have sinned and , 1 Corinthians 15:56 It is spiritually illogical to continue trying to keep a law that you can never keep. The two commandments Jesus gave are kept by GODS love in us. Romans 5:5 Romans 13:10 This GODLY love by HIS spirit is what will fulfill the law. This is GOD working in us rather than we attempting to keep a law that only kills us. Trying to keep the Ten Commandments is your work but the two greatest of all commandments that Jesus gave are GOD working in us. What the Ten Commandments could not do GOD did, Romans 8:3 Galatians 4:4-5 Hebrews 10:1-10 Romans 3:20 Acts 13:39 Galatians 2:21 Trying to keep the old covenant Ten Commandments actually denies all that Christ did and you will fall from grace. Galatians 5:4 If we have been given a new covenant then why do people still want to be under the old covenant ? None of this writing will have any effect on a die hard law keeper because they are not converted and can’t understand.

the distinction between the Old and New Covenants is primarily about the basis of the covenant and the location of the law. The Old Covenant was conditional on human effort and was based on external laws written on stone tablets, while the New Covenant is based on God's grace and promises, with His law written internally on the heart through the Holy Spirit

Old Covenant

Basis: Attempted to achieve righteousness through human effort and obedience.
Law: The law was external, written on stone tablets (Exodus 20).
Outcome: Described as leading to a faulty relationship due to human faithlessness and disobedience.
Role: Seen as necessary to demonstrate humanity's inability to be righteous on its own and to point to the need for a savior.

New Covenant

Basis: God's grace and promise, accepted by faith.
Law: God's law is written on the heart through the Holy Spirit, enabling believers to live in accordance with it.
Outcome: Spiritual regeneration and a new heart, with Christ entering the life of the believer.
Role: Provides a relationship with God based on His power to transform the believer, not their own power.

Dreyma · 2025-11-27T12:03:55-0600

@Lukaris I meant to quote you in my last post, but it looks like that didn't work. Whoops.

Hvizsgyak · 2025-11-27T12:01:24-0600

RabbiJames said:
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HAPPY THANKSGIVING DAY? or HAPPY TURKEY DAY?

As we approach one of our favorite times to celebrate with family, friends, and in-laws, we think about this special time called "Thanksgiving." Yet we hear of some calling it "Turkey Day". So which is it? "Thanksgiving" or "Turkey Day?" Which is correct? Well, let's think about it for a bit.

We celebrate Thanksgiving on the 4th Thursday of November, yet this was not the original date. It was set as the 4th Thursday of November by the US Congress in 1941. So, when was the first Thanksgiving celebrated in the Massachusetts Colony in 1621? No one knows for sure. We believe it was between the end of September and mid-November, when the crops were gathered in. It wasn't a one-day festival of celebration, but rather a three-day celebration.

It was similar to the Biblical Feast of Tabernacles or Sukkot, which is celebrated between the end of September and mid-October. During this time Israel praised God for the crops and blessings bestowed upon them by God. The Feast of Tabernacles or Sukkot is celebrated every year for 7 days, and one extra day.

So, let's talk about the food at the first Thanksgiving late in the year of 1621. We know that the native Americans of the Wampanoag tribe were a God sent, Squanto being the mediator. After a disastrous 1620, the Wampanoags helped them farm and grow vegetables, so, besides wild turkeys, they also had venison, or "deer meat" hunted by the Indians, so, why not call it "Deer Day?" or "Pumpkin Day?" after all, they probably had those too. The menu probably consisted of: "wild turkey, deer meat, corn, squash, bay oysters, clams, and fish. But everyone seems to be focused on the Turkeys. What's with that, you turkey?

It's great to feast on oven-roasted turkeys, stuffing, and all the trimmings, and have the friends and family over, and eat pumpkin pie, pecan pie, apple pie, or whatever pie you like. (Here in El Salvador, those are nonexistent) You have to make them from scratch. Everyone sits down after dinner, watches football on the tube, and grandpa goes to sleep in the easy chair, and the football game watches grandpa instead.

It's great to have this good time, but let's give thanks to whom thanks is owed, not to the creation (the turkey) but to the creator (God).
Yes, he created the turkeys and the rest of the birds on day 5 of creation, yet HE is the creator and to HIM must we give thanks.

When Thanksgiving comes around this Thursday, a good idea might be a table discussion of why we are thankful; the football game can wait. I would probably be like grandpa, asleep in the chair while the football game is going on. Sports are boring to me, unless I can actually play in the game personally.

Well, let's see. What do we have to be thankful for? Well, we have food on the table and we have our health to eat the food. We have money to buy the food, and we must have jobs to make the money to buy the food. We thank God that we have families, which makes working and providing for them all worthwhile. We have clothing because I doubt we sit around the dinner table in our birthday suits. We have homes where we live, and even AC in some places (not here, only at the Malls, in the banks, and in the supermarkets). We have fresh air to breathe (I guess that depends on where you live), we have parks, and places for R & R (here, the ocean for swimming and surfing). We have our congregations where we go to receive God's WORD.

Yet we also have something precious we can not buy, and that is the gift of Salvation through Jesus Christ (Yeshua HaMashiach) and the promise of eternal life with HIM in Heaven, and a place set aside for us to live by his side for all eternity. We have the abilities through the Holy Spirit (Ruach HaKodesh) to serve the LORD while we are Earth-bound, and we can look forward to eternal Shalom and fellowship with God forever.

So yes, Happy Thanksgiving to all.

(best result, bake the turkey in an oven bag, that way, it won't dry out) Here. The best we can hope for is slices of turkey ham from the deli, or a small smoked, boneless turkey (that usually costs more than we care to spend).

Beautifully said, RabbiJames. You have lifted my spirits. I came here wanting to wish everyone a blessed and happy Thanksgiving but also to speak of my discouragement I have of our world in this day and age. But now, I just want everyone to enjoy the company of their loved ones and God. I can't thank you enough for your warm thoughts. Peace be with you.

Dreyma · 2025-11-27T11:59:50-0600

How does this relate to what I was saying about the issue of whether Hell exists? (I don't mean that in a rude way. I'm just confused, sorry.)

eleos1954 · 2025-11-27T11:57:25-0600

Clare73 said:
Not according to the authoritative apostolic teaching (1 Th 4:16-17) of Christ (Lk 1:16),

unless the rebirth from eternal death into eternal life by the sovereign will (as unaccountable as the wind, Jn 3:6-8) of the Holy Spirit (Jn 3:3-5) is referred to metaphorically as a "resurrection" in the prophetic riddle (Nu 12:6-8) of Rev.

No, in John 3:3-5, the Holy Spirit is not metaphorically referred to as a "resurrection." Instead, John 3:3-5 describes the Holy Spirit as the agent of a spiritual "new birth" or "born again" experience, which is a supernatural spiritual transformation. This contrasts with the physical birth from the flesh. While the Holy Spirit brings about a spiritual "resurrection" to new life, it is not a direct metaphor used in these specific verses.

Key distinctions

Holy Spirit: The Holy Spirit is the power that enables the new birth, making someone "born again" or "born from above".
New Birth: This is a spiritual transformation that allows a person to enter the Kingdom of God. It is a birth "of the Spirit," not of the flesh.
Resurrection: This is a distinct concept, but it is the ultimate outcome of this new spiritual birth. The new birth brings a new life, and one of the future results of this spiritual transformation is the glory of the resurrection for believers, as mentioned in other biblical passages.

Apple Sky · 2025-11-27T11:56:07-0600

Jerry N. said:
Roberts is giving verses that are truthful, but he is making the implication is that they support the flat earth.

But they do & people just can't see it or rather they just don't want to see it.

comana · 2025-11-27T11:55:13-0600

Hvizsgyak said:
Yes, continue to convince yourself that it is only a few supposedly narrow-minded people who hold these thoughts. Go ahead and try to make it sound like it's my opinion only. I follow God's word which is filled with wisdom and common sense and millions if not billions of people on this planet disagree with your opinion and point of view.

Regardless, that doesn’t mean that you or others who agree with you get to determine topics of discussion at the university level.

Landon Caeli · 2025-11-27T11:54:52-0600

Hans Blaster said:
You need to read what I wrote more carefully. I was speaking of this region in white where there are less than 1% Muslims:

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from: Islam in Slovakia - Wikipedia

Which fits my description of *former* Warsaw Pact territories west of Russia and north of the old Ottoman empire.

The parts of the Soviet Union that are not white in that image had local Muslim ethnic groups *before* they were conquered by the Russian or Soviet empires, hence their successor states have non-negligible Muslim populations today. The Balkans were part of the Ottoman empire and have Muslim populations from that period. Western Europe's Muslims are recent immigrants (last century). Eastern (non-Balkan) Europe is generally too historically poor to attract a lot of immigrants.

I didn't realize Prague was historically poor, which is colored white on the map.

rjs330 · 2025-11-27T11:54:05-0600

essentialsaltes said:
A very special holiday edition of "Why do people hate ICE?"

19-year-old college student deported despite judge's order blocking her removal
A 19-year-old college student who was on her way to surprise her family for Thanksgiving break was detained at a Boston airport and later deported despite a federal judge's order blocking her removal, according to her attorney.

Hours after her detainment, court documents obtained by ABC News show that a federal judge ordered the government not to remove the 19-year-old from the U.S. and not to transfer her outside of Massachusetts.

But according to Pomerleau, Lopez Belloza was transferred that evening to Texas and deported to Honduras the next day.

In a statement to ABC News' Boston affiliate WCVB, a spokesperson for Immigration and Customs Enforcement said Lopez Belloza had a removal order since 2015 and confirmed her removal.

This judge overstepped their authority. The judge is not an immigration judge.

Belk · 2025-11-27T11:53:36-0600

BPPLEE said:
Then we can both laugh

I think we both should.

Belk · 2025-11-27T11:52:47-0600

Oompa Loompa said:
Yes. Next he is going to relocate these "enemies" to designated areas and force them to wear a symbol that easily identifies them. Then they will all be loaded up onto train cars, never to be seen again.

Like "Alligator Alcatraz"?

Postvieww · 2025-11-27T11:52:46-0600

Belk said:
Future nonspecific tense is a thing. I'll ask one last time, knowing I will not get an explanation. How does the statement undermine the Commandeer in Chief?

By implying there have been illegal orders or may be in the future which is ridiculous. It also plants the seed to disobey orders from the Commander in Chief. It is all about undermining Trump which has been going on since he first announced his first candidacy. It is ridiculous believing our brave service men and women need to be reminded of their responsibilities by a bunch of partisans masquerading as leaders. Who on the left thought this was a good idea, who scripted this and who produced this disgrace?

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