Dan Perez said:

And I am. not a TULIP FAN and Acts 2:36 is speaking. about Israel. and are KEEIPING the Law !!

AS far. to THE word FORENEW //. PROGINOSKO it is a verb in. the AOPRIST TENSE ,in. the. INDICATIVE MOOD

AND means you better BELIEVE IT , in. the SINGULAR. !!

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Hey Dan

I'm not a Tulip fan either. Acts 2:36 is speaking to physical Israel. Acts 2:41 is speaking of Spiritual Israel (which can include Gentiles). Peter was calling out Spiritual Israel from physical Israel. Only Spiritual Israel (Jew and Gentile) had a genuine OT faith, and were predestined to believe the Gospel, His sheep hear His voice. And be conformed to Christ likeness. Everyone claiming genuine OT faith in Acts 2:36 is physical Israel. Those with a genuine faith, the wheat, are Spiritual Israel. Cornelius and Lydia were Gentile and Spiritual Israel before they heard the Gospel and believed. They were predestined to be conformed to Christlikeness per Romans 8:29. in Acts 2:36, Peter is calling out Spiritual Israel from physical Israel.

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jonojim1337 said:

Well that’s funny. Because clouds are formed by water particles that are energised by the sun, which should be a lot heavier than air particles, and somehow they travel upward without any encapsulation.

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The molecular weight of water is 18 g/mol whereas the molecular weight of Nitrogen, which makes up the bulk of the atmosphere, is 28 g/mol and the molecular weight of Oxygen is 32 g/mol. So in their gaseous states, the atmosphere is already more dense than water vapour. The water in clouds however, exists as ice crystals or tiny water droplets which are more dense than the surrounding atmosphere, and these are held aloft by warm air currents rising upwards.
Seriously, you could learn all this yourself with very little effort, but you prefer to live in a fantasy land of 'black suns' and 'plasma moons', all of which is made up fiction.

prodromos said:

You would do well to actually research Admiral Byrd's expedition, as your claims are contradictory to what they encountered.

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And you'd do well to research 'Operation Dominic '. Talk about them trying to shatter the dome

BPPLEE said:

Do we have an infinite number of jobs available for all the people that y'all want to come here?

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No, we don't, but we somehow manage to make more jobs every quarter in response to the people that do come here and who are born here.

BPPLEE said:

If we do why do we have unemployment now?

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Because >0% unemployment is a policy goal of the federal reserve as part of a tradeoff between unemployment and inflation. If we had 0% unemployment, we'd probably have very high inflation since the demand for workers would cause their wages to rise a lot.

Dan Perez said:

And this what Gal 6:15 says and need your reply !!

For in. CHRIST Jesus NEITHER CIRCUMCISTION. is any FORCE.

NOR UNCIRCUMCISION, BUT a New CRTERATION. ??

I believe this is what it means !!

#1 CIRCUMCION. ID. JEWS

#2 UNCIRCUMCION ID GENTILS

# CREATION. ID THE BODY OF CHRIST !!

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Hey Dan

Spiritual Israel is not physical Israel. See Galatians 3:26-29, Romans 9:6-8.

Fake.

It's probably to help maintain the Trillions of dollars worth of military gear that sleepy Joe handed over when he negotiated the surrender of America.

ARBITER01 said:

Complete dependency is a major part of that relationship with HIM.

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I agree 100% with this. In fact, I consider it more than "a major part". It is a valid definition —though not specific to effects (results/outworkings) given in Scripture— of being "IN CHRIST".

There is no-one 'in Him' to whom the Spirit does not speak.

BPPLEE said:

If I don't get disability I will draw Social Security but will still have to work part time. But my SS is money that I paid in.
And what little I have left in my IRA is money that I paid in.
Neither of those is money that the government is giving me.
It's my money that I paid in.
The insurance I had from my employer paid short term disability for 3 months. They denied long term disability because they said it was a preexisting condition They admitted that the cellulitis, lymphedema and complications from surgery were not preexisting but still found a way not to pay.
Again, insurance is something that I paid for, it's not a handout
My employer held my job for 9 months, hoping that I would come back, but I wasn't able

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Well, regardless - I think you should have support and I think the immigrants should. I don't think it should be an either/or.

BPPLEE said:

Some will be on government assistance as @iluvatar5150 and I were discussing. He thinks more people on government assistance creates jobs

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No, I think <more people> creates jobs.

BPPLEE said:

and that we need them to come here and have lots of children

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Somebody's gotta.

d taylor said:

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Any person any age can receive God's free gift of Eternal Life and become a born again child of God.

The big problem is most are not being correctly taught or told how to receive God's free gift of Eternal Life.

But if a child (or any person ) is correctly taught how to receive God's free gift of Eternal Life. By belief in Jesus for Eternal Life, they receive Eternal Life, a pernamnet gift from God, at the very moment of their belief in Jesus for Eternal Life.

So it is not the age that is the problem, but the teaching.

I would say a child who can simply believe in promises. Has a better chance in believing in Jesus for Eternal Life, than many young aged people and adults. Because an older person can get hung up in the legalist garbage of baptism, repentance of sin, confessing, obedience to the Law (ten commandments, etc..), making Jesus Lord of their life. bearing fruit, etc.......

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well said.

ARBITER01 said:

No where in scripture does it say that only apostles are taught by revelation of The Holy Spirit. The apostles were not somehow better than us, and GOD is not somehow discriminatory with the rest of us.

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My [what I thought was rather obvious] point is that the kind of teaching, and the purpose of it, for the apostles is "new revelation". I'm by no means saying that we don't learn from the Spirit's speaking to us. In fact, that would be contrary to scripture to claim that. Sorry for not being clear. I was trying to show the difference.

The apostles wrote scripture. We can only read it. But subjectivity is not a firm anchor.

ARBITER01 said:

There is a big, big difference between being born again and subsequently being Spirit-filled,

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Of course

ARBITER01 said:

and the benefits of that additional step, but I'm not going to go into that on here because people get easily upset and offended. You'll have to have a personal desire for that beyond what you currently know, like I did after I was born again.

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My personal desire, FWIW, is to be with God, without blemish, with my Savior. And whether or not he reveals other than that, is a result of his doing that very thing within me. This is usually, almost always, in fact, a result of his speaking to me through the Scriptures. And what he says is always what the Scriptures say. That is what I mean by ILLUMINATION.

And even that desire is the gift of God, and not of myself.

narnia59 said:

Let me know when you are willing to provide the courtesy to answer a simple question that I asked at the very beginning of this conversation.

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already answered one - waiting for you to answer one - it's called conversation.

narnia59 said:

Why do you think others should participate in a two sided conversation when the first question that was asked in this conversation, you simply choose to ignore?

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Nope - I've addressed the thoughts and points a couple times - not ignoring - just tired of waiting for you to engage in like manner.

narnia59 said:

Dance around?

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You can if you want - but it will be a solo dance

narnia59 said:

That's not "two-sided". That is you wanting to completely dominate the conversation in a rather passive-aggressive way.

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My answering one of your questions and addressing your posts while asking you to answer one question is not completely dominating anything.

narnia59 said:

And your continual refusal to answer leads me to the conclusion you have no answer that is defensible in any way. So, you choose to continue to deflect.

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Your mind reading machine is busted.

narnia59 said:

Should I bother to ask the fifth time?

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I will answer you instantly when you show a single modicum of reciprocity in this conversation.

We are all born into a creation that is built upon personal survival. It is instinctive in nature. Children are born with the same ability as A&E were to follow instructions. It is up to the parent to guide them on the right path of courtesy and away from selfishness, before any concept of institutional religion may enter the picture. They, in the beginning, are drawn to what protects them, long before they realize they too can be antagonists for personal gain.

Children, at some point, will all follow the same path as the rest of us of self-interest, and unlike the rest of God's creatures, will eventually make conscious choices to put themselves ahead of the will of God and each other for gain, or not. It is only then that they need be reminded of the consequences of failure to serve God and each other. Change is always possible.

Our selfishness is inevitable behaviour, as our animal instinct, like the rest of creation, is survival by putting ourselves first. Sin occurs when we take advantage of that survival instinct to take more than is necessary at the expense of others. We alone (the only species that knows we will die) are aware of the consequences of our actions though, and unlike our fellow creatures, are capable of avoiding harm to others through not being selfish. It is all in the home upbringing of little kids that saves them, not Christianity. Plenty of time later for them to understand the religions that want to get their hooks into them..

Servus said:

Are they supposed to guilt trip over the military doing what the military does? Is that why you invited me to join up? Because you resent being out there having to do the dirty work while I sit safe at home?

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No, I like what I do.

Oompa Loompa said:

So please spare me the lecture about how we should turn the other cheek towards serial rapists, murders....and human traffickers...

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Nobody has talked about turning the other cheek. Or discussed serial rapists, murders (sic)....and human traffickers. It seems that some people can't help trying to deflect from the matter at hand. Didn't I explain to you what that indicates?

Zechariah 9:9-12 Rejoice with all your heart, Daughter of Zion. Your King is coming, mounted on a donkeys colt. He has won the victory.
The affirmation of Jesus as the King. He has conquered death.

He will banish all weapons of war and proclaim peace to the nations. His Rule will extend over all the earth.

As for My covenant people, I will free the captives. On this Day, I shall restore a double portion to you.
After His second coming – His Millennial rule. His faithful people gathered and blessed.

Zechariah 9:13-17 Judah and Ephraim, the sons of Zion – I have made you like a warriors sword, prepared for battle against the ungodly peoples.
Must be before His second coming, as weapons are prepared for battle.
Judah = the Jews. Ephraim = the 10 tribes scattered around the world.

The Lord will appear over them. [ Before His Glorious Return.]
His arrow will flash like lightning. [ A coronal mass ejection, sunstrike.]

The Lord will sound the trumpet and advance with the storm winds of the South. [The Lord’s Day of vengeance and wrath. Ezekiel 20:47-48 ]
His troops will be protected, they will exult and destroy the enemy.
A great Day of battle, the evil neighbours of Israel destroyed. Jeremiah 12:14, the Sixth Seal worldwide disaster.

On that Day, the Lord will save His people, like a flock. They will sparkle In His Land, like jewels in His crown.
After this event, all of His faithful Christian people will live in all of the holy Land.

What wealth is theirs! What beauty!
Plenty of good food and wine for all His people.

Reference; Revised English Bible, verses abridged.

ARBITER01 said:

I'm going to add a small footnote to our conversation.

I will state my opinion on here for the record,..... the main reason why there are so many folks getting caught up and carried away by false or unnecessary teachings on this site, is exactly because they trust in their bible over GOD. They place their bible in between GOD and them, and expect HIM to only speak to them from those pages. They are afraid to trust any voice otherwise because they can't discern if it is GOD, and are so afraid that it might be satan. In fact, years ago, people admitted on here to being specifically taught this method from certain bible colleges they went to.

All these theology teachings, the sabbath and law of moses junk, not to mention all the weird teachings people get themselves deceived with over in the controversial section, all stems from one major point that I can tell in their walk,......the temple has been cleansed by the blood, but The Spirit of GOD does not live in it yet.

Ok now, laters.

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Thus, one can be, and often is, deceived, because the Scriptures are not their anchor, but the subjective assessment of what they take for the Spirit of God's speaking to them is their foundation. I'm not going to claim that your experience is that way, but the danger of adding to or removing from Scripture's gospel is all over the place. Sola Scriptura is a valid principle. (And I'm not claiming that using Scripture alone means everyone is going to agree. That is subjective enough! But we do have a common anchor, that is demonstrably the word of God, through which the Spirit of God speaks to us, and against which the Spirit of God will never speak to us.)

"If you want to hear God speaking, read the Bible. If you want to hear God speaking out loud, read the Bible out loud."

Stopped_lurking said:

What have Russia ever done to get good with the west?

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Easy, they declared war on Nazi Germany after Hitler stabbed them in the back and invaded even though Russia had helped Hitler in the invasion and dividing up of Poland AND supplied Germany with resources after the Allies cut Germany off.

Kathleen30 said:

Stronginhim you say Gods word not be the final authority in all things.

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The Bible is the final authority in matters of faith, Christian doctrine, God's will and plan etc.
So if someone says, "Jesus was meant to come to earth to get married and start a family" - which is what Moonies say - the question is; does that statement agree with the Bible? The answer is "no", so we can reject it.
If someone says "God told me that you have to do X, Y or Z to be saved", the question is; "what does the Bible say?" The NT says that Jesus is the only way to the Father and salvation is through no one else. So if someone is trying to promise salvation apart from Jesus - don't believe them.

But the Bible is clearly not the final authority in ALL things.
If you were trying to decide whether to choose Nursing or Teaching as a profession, the Bible would not give you the answer.
If you were trying to discover which church/school/university to go to, you would not find the answer in the Bible.
The Bible can't tell you where to live, whether to marry and if so, to who, whether to have children, what charities to support and many other personal decisions. You may find the answer to those by prayer - talking and listening to God - not in the Bible.
In the same way, the Bible does not teach biology, astronomy, the history of Australia or any other country. It doesn't teach us OT Hebrew, NT Greek, Aramaic or any other language.

Kathleen30 said:

I say when it clashes with scripture it most certainly does

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When what clashes with Scripture?

Kathleen30 said:

and is to be challenged accordingly by the word of God.

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It depends on how you mean "challenged".
"Challenged" to grow in holiness, to trust God, to follow Jesus more closely, to step out in faith, to use your gifts in his service - absolutely.
"Challenged" to deny a scientific fact because, when you read the poetry of the Bible you believe it is saying something different; no.

Kathleen30 said:

You Then mention the many professions. The Bible certainly does not show us how learn Japanese or Russian

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Thank you.
The Bible doesn't teach us everything - that was my only point. We have to look to resources outside of the Bible to learn other languages. In the same way we have to look to resources outside of the Bible to find out about a world that the Bible writers knew little about; how it works, how different things react, behave and so on.

Kathleen30 said:

but if you were to Curse God in those languages that would still make you accountable according to the word of God.

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That wasn't my point.
My point was only that the Bible does not teach us all things. It is not a specialist book in all subjects - therefore, it is not the final authority on Physics, Biology etc.
A scientist would not say, "let's solve this problem by looking in the Bible for the answer", any more than a theologian would say, "let's consult a chemistry textbook to tell us what God's will is."

Kathleen30 said:

You than mention music again nothing wrong with music

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I never said there was.
I said that even if someone were to find out all about Mozart it wouldn't mean they could play the piano, or clarinet.

What I'm saying is that when we want to find out, or learn something, we need to look in the appropriate book. The Bible is not a science textbook - yet some people here are acting as though it is and expecting it to teach us about the earth, its form, the intricate details of creation and so on.
Why?
The Bible is about God - the One who created this awesome universe.
God has not only allowed people to study and learn about his creation, he has given them the gifts to be able to do so; to discover, experiment and learn just how wonderful this world/universe is. Yet some people are treating scientists as though they were the devil incarnate. They are accusing astronauts and astronomers of being liars are have implied, if not stated, that world leaders, governments etc are all plotting together to deceive us.

Kathleen30 said:

Are these songs appropriate to play at church. No they are not .

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I never said they were - I wasn't talking about music in worship

Kathleen30 said:

You mention the cookery book and what’s say it promotes rare meat meaning that blood is not fully cooked but still raw that would go contrary to the New Testament that meat must be cooked fully.

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I didn't say anything of the sort.
I said that you won't learn Spanish by reading a cookery book which mentions Paella and Spanish wine.

Again, if you want to learn a subject read the appropriate book.
If you want to learn about God, read the Bible.

Kathleen30 said:

The word of God is the final authority in all things .

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Right - so I expect you will be reading the bible to find out where you should spend Christmas? Or what presents to buy for your family?
Although I would expect you not to celebrate Christmas at all because it isn't mentioned in the Bible. Whereas festivals such as Hannukah, the feast of Tabernacles, Passover and so on, are.
The Bible is the authority in all things, remember?
Maybe you were thinking of going to the January sales? I shouldn't; January isn't mentioned in the Bible, nor is shopping for bargains.
Maybe you were thinking of having ham/gammon on Boxing Day? That's not a good idea. Boxing Day isn't mentioned in the Bible and the Jews were told not to eat pork.
Maybe you are thinking of buying a new car/computer/smart phone? These aren't mentioned in the Bible so good luck in finding a verse to tell you what to do.
The Bible is the final authority in all things, remember?

Larniavc said:

Conquest and slavery?

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Why do you hate America?

prodromos said:

You must be in the clouds then.

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Well that’s funny. Because clouds are formed by water particles that are energised by the sun, which should be a lot heavier than air particles, and somehow they travel upward without any encapsulation.

Jerry N. said:

It doesn't rise upward if there is no gravity. By the way, there is no "up" without gravity.

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Well how do you know that since we’ve never been to a so called no gravity environment.

Hentenza said:

Moses staff did not work with magic but with Gods power. The Egyptian priests used magic or just trickery.

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That is what I think too.