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camille70 · 2025-12-04T03:59:12-0600

rjs330 said:
Why? Do we get more money from somebody.

Detention facilities are getting 700-1000k per day to house people. The longer they keep someone, the more money is made.

ICE agents have quotas. Legal residents and citizens have reported being stopped or detained more than once.
ICE agents have said the quotas are hurting morale and preventing them from targeting actual criminals.

Many of the people being detained are in the midst of seeking asylum legally and cant just be removed from the country. If they have a lawyer and are fighting removal, many are not being released until the cases are resolved. If they win their immigration cases, ICE has been keeping them anyway in poor conditions and pressuring them to "self deport." (Though I think a couple of judges recently ruled they have to release them on bond.) There are reports of ICE "losing" people because they are shuffling them around to different centers or housing them under false names.

Dan1988 · 2025-12-04T03:54:26-0600

BobRyan said:
they are the same person. Lucifer fell and then was called the devil.

Yep , Lucifer was created sinless but then became , Satan, the devil, the serpent of old.

Well so far you are stuck on an island where Lucifer did not fall and become the devil. The rest of us are not taken up with that suggestion.

Isaiah 14:12 and Ezekiel 28, which describe a proud Cherub cast down from heaven, and Luke 10:18 where Jesus says, "I saw Satan fall like lightning from heaven

You are very confused, I corrected you by teaching you that Ezekiel was not speaking about Satan/The Devil. Satan/The Devil did not exist when Lucifer was in heaven. Lucifer left His first estate and He morphed into a vile and totally depraved evil creature.

So, please go and join a bible class for beginners, so you can get your basic fundamentals down pat, then you can try to go toe to toe with me. In the meantime, you will only embarrass yourself every time you try challenge me.

Satan believes and knows full well that the Lord Jesus will torment Hi in the lake of fire for all eternity. That's why He is so full of hatred and rage. The Bible confirms that many professing Christians will join Him in the lake of fire.

Aryeh Jay · 2025-12-04T03:47:59-0600

Hans Blaster said:
There is a floating window: Biden was president from 2016 until approximately 6 month ago, until they stop needing Biden to blame.

So can I blame Biden for my nasty omelet yesterday? Because he killed all the chickens?

Dan1988 · 2025-12-04T03:45:00-0600

JulieB67 said:
What's not true? That they don't have bodies? So much so that human men wanted to have their way with them? That they can't eat? We know they can. And we can eat their food as well. All of this is true.

I didn't state they had flesh and blood but that they had bodies and those bodies can eat, etc.

I never did. You might want to read my post again. I said they have bodies and are often "called" men in the bible. Angels look just like we do. Or should I say we look just like them. "Let us make man in Our image, after Our likeness...."

Just because an angel is a spirit doesn't mean a body does not surround that spirit. They have mass, they can eat, etc. We are the ones that are made to look like them, not the other way around. Only difference is we are flesh and blood. They are not.

So, you're suggesting that the bodies of those Angels who visited Lot, were not made of flesh, blood, bone and skin. And if someone cut them with a knife, they wouldn't bleed. You make them sound like some kind of "Terminators", ,like those Arnold Swartznigger played in Hollywood movies.

Why is it so hard for you to accept the fact that Angels, have the ability to take on any form they desire, in order to achieve a given task. Evil Angels or "Fallen Angels" usually disguise themselves as someone's deceased relative. Their message is always Antichrist. Their aim is to steer you away from the truth of the gospel.

Angels always go back to their first estate "the spiritual realm", after completing their mission on the earth. All of the fallen Angels, including Satan are currently chained up in great chains. They need to ask the Lord for permission, before they can do anything, the Lord grants them permission at His good pleasure. He doesn't consult with anyone, He just does whatever pleases Him regardless of who approves or disapproves.

The Lord Jesus bound Satan and His Demons, in great chains, after He defeated the powers of darkness on the cross. So Satan and His Demons are nothing but harmless barking dogs on short chains to me and all of Gods elect.

Dan1988 · 2025-12-04T03:23:40-0600

2PhiloVoid said:
I haven't slandered you by pointing out that just about all you do is poke other Christians in the eye, constantly. While I might share an occasional critical aspersion upon opinions other, fellow Christians express, I don't generally make it a habit of invariably insinuating that unless they each agree with me and my theological viewpoint that they're in danger of losing eternal life in Christ. No, I tend to give other Trinitarian Christians the benefit of fellowship without to much regard for the specifics of what they personally believe.

.... I'm so insecure! Especially since I've learned my theology from several hundred Christian Theologians, Philosophers and Historians.

So yeah, I'm very, very insecure.

I have found that the vast majority of Christians, reject the truth of the gospel. My Minister forbids me to have fellowship with those who don't believe in the Lord Jesus.
So, I'm not deliberately poking other Christian's in the eye, by correcting them. If someone preaches a different gospel to the one which the Lord Jesus preached, I can't throw the true gospel under the bus, just to get along with those who reject the true gospel.

I've never suggested that any Born again Christian is in danger of losing their salvation. Jesus, said it's impossible to lose one's salvation. So I would never go against something that The Lord Jesus taught.
The Lord Jesus taught us to hate the world, so why would I want to have any fellowship with those worldly people.

You can have your hundreds of Theologians and Philosophers, I'll stick with the Lord Jesus, thank you very much.

Apple Sky · 2025-12-04T03:19:18-0600

Jerry N. said:
However, if you like such things, the 33 sectors would be most likely connected to the 33 degrees of the Scottish Rite of Freemasons.

This is correct & it was Albert Pike who first introduced Lucifer into the mix.

Apple Sky · 2025-12-04T03:14:43-0600

David Lamb said:
Yes. It requires a huge stretch of the imagination to think that because there are 33 sectors on the UN symbol, and Jesus was 33 years old when He was crucified, that must somehow mean that the UN is mocking Christ.

Like I said it is not so much as mocking as copying.

Isaiah 14:12

12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!

13 For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:

14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.

15 Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit.

Rescued One · 2025-12-04T03:07:02-0600

PLEASE don't forget to pray for Andrew!

johansen · 2025-12-04T03:06:58-0600

samaus123456789 said:
I have no problem even if it did call Enoch the son of man

I'm reluctant to reply to this because I've had a few drinks but:

I've been toying with the idea in my mind for about a year now that the spirit of a person is not the same as the flesh of a person, and so this allows for re-incarnation of spirits of persons and permutations of persons. so imagine you bake a sourdough bread starting from the same starter, but you change the recipe each time. you save a bit, but save the original, and keep doing this over and over again. the recipe is the flesh. the spirit is from God. you combine the two you get a new "person" each time.

so for example, Jesus says john the baptist is Elijah. but john says he isn't Elijah... john is both right and wrong.

so suppose the spirit of a person (which is from God) is not necessarily new, suppose its been on the earth before. but each time results in a new person.

so while pondering specific details of these thoughts, within 1 day someone on a certain internet forum creates a post that suggests that Jesus is Elisha re-incarnated.
i read it thinking to myself: that's weird. never heard that idea before. I privately message him and initially the exchange is positive, then, he starts mocking me. I then think to mock him back saying, Jesus can't be Elisha, because i am.

but i don't, I knew i would be lying if i said that. so i ask him: what is the name of the spirit that called me by the name of Elisha, 12 hours before you made your post?"
and he replies back with "Yeshua"

I share this whole exchange with a friend of mine and.. turns out he met a man who started a cult that believes Jesus is Elijah re-incarnated.

---i'm still left wondering what called me by the name Elisha. -and had the ability to put the same idea into some random person's head who then puts it on the internet.. a person who chooses to mock me rather than accept my free will invitation to talk about the concept.?

for most of my childhood i assumed that Elisha was a female prophet, based on the character as expressed in the accounts. . to be honest i'm still left wondering on that.

Jerry N. · 2025-12-04T03:05:23-0600

David Lamb said:
Yes. It requires a huge stretch of the imagination to think that because there are 33 sectors on the UN symbol, and Jesus was 33 years old when He was crucified, that must somehow mean that the UN is mocking Christ.

I’m not into conspiracy theories, even if many turn out to be true. However, if you like such things, the 33 sectors would be most likely connected to the 33 degrees of the Scottish Rite of Freemasons.

stevevw · 2025-12-04T02:58:30-0600

Nithavela said:
Have they?

Yes evidently so. If the US is issuing warnings that the smugglers will be stopped then I think it will at least stop a fair percentage.

Nithavela said:
There is too much money in the drug trade for it to just dry up after a few destroyed boats.

Yes and they will find other ways. It needs to be a joint effort with Venezuela. But this would even be hard for the current Venezuelan government as they have no desire to stop it.

Nithavela said:
Besides, this isn't really about the drug trade. It's about the USA going after another country with oil that they think they can manufacture a reason to attack. With Iraq it was "weapons of mass destructions". With Venezuela it's "narco-terrorism".

Thats rather cynnical. I know that western nations have atrack record of vested interests in just about everything they do. Nothing done for the sake of good with no strings attached. To some degree that is the trade off and how politics works. They don't do it for nothing.

But I think there comes a time when forigne problems can spill onto another nation. Especially when they are neighbours. Look at Gaza. So its not always about money or oil but how far you will tolerate another nations encroaching and affecting another nation.

But I go back to the fact that all this moral outrage is all too late. Weher was it when this has been cultivated for years and allowed to get this bad. Nothing has worked with all the diplomacy and reasoning. I don't know what the answer is.

But certainly Trump has highlighted the isse and I don't think this is about oil. As Musk explained so well this is generational change in what direction and world we leave our children.

Nithavela said:
Just that this time, the government of the USA feels that they don't need to convince international allies and cobble together an "alliance of the willing". They just need to convince the people of their own country.

Thats because its comepletely different to the past issues that required an alliance of nations. This seems a localised issue between two nations. The administration is dealing with their own backyard instead of getting some far away issue.

I agree its a worry that governments can act without proper proceedure. I am not sure of the details. But what they are doing is not unprecedented from what I understand.

I think it can be rationalised both ways. It could be said the continued trafficking of people and drugs into the US is of national security considering the terror and crime that has happened recently. To export poison into the US that destroyed people and its communities.

But it also comes with organised crime and threats from foreign adversaries who often exploit these situations to undermine the US and other western nations.

I think its much more complex than most people think and of bigger concern than just boats coming with drugs.

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Apple Sky · 2025-12-04T02:54:12-0600

David Lamb said:
Probably not. I have heard it said that the sheep would not have been outside at night in winter

The idea of December was paganism & comes from Saturnalia,

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David Lamb · 2025-12-04T02:45:37-0600

Apple Sky said:
What ever the date was, it wasn't in December.

Probably not. I have heard it said that the sheep would not have been outside at night in winter

Apple Sky · 2025-12-04T02:39:54-0600

David Lamb said:
I agree that we do not know the date of the birth of Jesus.

What ever the date was, it wasn't in December.

Apple Sky · 2025-12-04T02:35:54-0600

Miaomiao said:
The Lord told me.

So he has spoken to you also ?

David Lamb · 2025-12-04T02:26:00-0600

Apple Sky said:
The story of Santa Claus has a dark origin in the legends of Saint Nicholas, who is said to have resurrected three boys murdered and pickled by an evil innkeeper. This gruesome tale was a part of his mythos in medieval Europe and contributed to his being associated with dark companions like Krampus or Père Fouettard, who punish naughty children. Over time, the modern, cheerful Santa Claus image emerged, largely through Clement C. Moore's poem and Thomas Nast's illustrations, which downplayed or ignored these darker origins.

And don't forget what the name 'Santa' is an anagram of.

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Whose words are those? They don't sound like your own.

Anyway, from what you wrote or quoted referred to the innkeeper as wicked, dark and gruesome, not Nicholas.

Just because in English "Santa" (meaning "saint") is an anagram of Satan doesn't say anything about the nature of "Santa." "Lived" is an anagram of "devil." So what?

I agree that we do not know the date of the birth of Jesus.

JohnClay · 2025-12-04T02:20:31-0600

CoreyD said:
Joshua is the beginning of carrying out the command to wipe out these nations, isn't it?

Yeah I didn't think of that. Moses never entered the cities of the promised land though Deuteronomy 20:16-20 talks all about it. So things in Joshua could be relevant too then like you were saying.

CoreyD said:
Oh. Not getting them to fly?

I couldn't get the arrows to attach to the animal - e.g. its leg or body.

CoreyD said:
How will you catch a runaway horse, or a cat for that matter... give it fish?

The animals in the game are very tame. Also there are holy hand grenades and the "Body Hacker" (hacks into the Matrix/simulation)

CoreyD said:
You are calling the shots here, John. Not me.
It's your game. I know what I would do for a game. It won't invite the lovers of violence, but it would still be fun.
Everyone has their own heart.

BTW in the Roman Colosseum the crowds also loved violence... "Executions by beasts were popular among plebeians, who saw them as thrilling entertainment". That is far too shocking for my tastes though.

GoldenBoy89 · 2025-12-04T02:17:41-0600

Perpetual Student said:
That isn't Rocksinmyhead's point. His point is that people who committed one of the most horrible crimes ever received a fair trial. The alleged crime of drug smuggling is way less evil than the Nazi crimes. And yet they are murdered at sea on allegations alone and this murders are justified by the Trump administration and different members here.

It was actually my point but yes that’s it. we put the Nazis on trial not just to prove their crimes but also to show the world how we operate. That we’re better than them and for a little while, that was true.

samaus123456789 · 2025-12-04T02:16:32-0600

Delvianna said:
mâshîyach - anointed; usually a consecrated person (as a king, priest, or saint), the Messiah:—anointed, Messiah.

Notice the comma, which is why every king, priest or saint is not "Messiah".

Same word used in 2 Samuel 1:16 - For David had said to him, “Your blood be on your own head. Your own mouth testified against you when you said, ‘I killed the Lord’s anointed.’”

Someone killed the "Messiah" then according to you??
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Good luck to you too.

if you join the book of Enoch study group on facebook with 400k members, then click files, then download Enoch 71.14 it explains that son of man verse. Here is sneak peak

And he came to me and greeted me with his voice, and said unto me “This is the Son of Man who is born unto righteousness, and righteousness abides over him, and the righteousness of the Head of Days forsakes him not.” (1912, R. H. Charles)

● And that angel came to me, and greeted me with his voice, and said to me: “You are the Son of Man who was born to righteousness, and righteousness remains over you, and the righteousness of the Head of Days will not leave you.” (1978, Michael. A. Knibb

As we can see, this passage has presented a problem for translators. The difference between the two translations could not be more noticeable. The more recent translations by Daniel Olson and Nickelsburg/Vanderkam have followed the Knibb revision.790 Knibb’s idea has now become the most accepted understanding among textual scholars.791

I have no problem even if it did call Enoch the son of man

David Lamb · 2025-12-04T02:12:54-0600

Strong in Him said:
Nonsense.
That doesn't mock Christ at all.

Yes. It requires a huge stretch of the imagination to think that because there are 33 sectors on the UN symbol, and Jesus was 33 years old when He was crucified, that must somehow mean that the UN is mocking Christ.

CoreyD · 2025-12-04T02:07:20-0600

JohnClay said:
Actually it is for 13+ year olds. You have to be at least 13 on Steam and there is no age check for the game (based on the game's cartoonish content). The warning says it isn't suitable for younger players which means under 13 year olds.

Oh, okay.

JohnClay said:
I'm not an atheist - I believe in a non-obvious intelligent force. I did include entire Bible passages rather than leave out the problematic verses.

I'm not saying you are atheist.

JohnClay said:
Like I said there was a Christian that reviewed it and he thought it didn't involve enough suffering. i.e. Christians are playing it too.

Loving God and identifying as Christian aren't one and the same thing.

JohnClay said:
The goal was to show some of the most controversial passages in the Bible - not to portray everything in the best possible light.

I understand.

JohnClay said:
Well for Deuteronomy 20:16-20 every single verse is in the game:

Except that I only mention the Jebusites. It includes soldiers telling you not to chop fruit trees and you have to chop other trees to build ladders to climb over city walls.

The parts I added were obviously not historical - e.g. magic laser swords, holy hand grenades, etc.

I think Joshua wasn't set at the same time as Deuteronomy 20. Apparently it happens after Moses' death.

Joshua is the beginning of carrying out the command to wipe out these nations, isn't it?

JohnClay said:
Well I had technical issues adding in arrows.

Oh. Not getting them to fly? How will you catch a runaway horse, or a cat for that matter... give it fish?

JohnClay said:
I think it is far more closely based on the Bible than most Bible games - e.g. in the SNES Noah's Ark game you have to shoot food at aggressive animals and they fall asleep.

Yes. Lots of games take the course of of the maker.

JohnClay said:
Well when I began this game as part of the university subject "Playcentric Game Design" the player experience goal was for the player to feel shocked. Now the goal is for the player to feel conflicted - i.e. the gameplay could feel fun but they can feel bad because they are committing war crimes (including killing babies - though you can order the soldiers to do that)

You are calling the shots here, John. Not me.
It's your game. I know what I would do for a game. It won't invite the lovers of violence, but it would still be fun.
Everyone has their own heart.

Miaomiao · 2025-12-04T02:02:21-0600

Delvianna said:
I'm curious why you're so resigned to the idea that WW3 would start next year specifically. We've been on a WW3 brink for a long time now.

The Lord told me.

Miaomiao · 2025-12-04T01:57:20-0600

PloverWing said:
Interesting conjecture. I guess I'll check back here a year from now, and we'll see if you were right.

The war in the higher-dimensional divine realm began long ago, and the forces of Lucifer, along with some of the foreign gods who colluded with them, suffered a crushing defeat.

timewerx · 2025-12-04T01:52:55-0600

I often heard from the Holy Spirit.

But I never got the "feelings". I always hear about Christians getting distinct good feelings which they clearly recognize as from the Holy Spirit.

Feelings of comfort and great contentment with myself is probably the closest thing but I don't think that's it.

I never forced it either.

I was in a pentecostal group prayer couple times surrounded by people falling and wriggling on the floor and felt absolutely NOTHING even though I'm praying.

Eventually, the group thought I'm possessed by an evil spirit so they all surrounded and laid their hands on me and I still felt nothing. If I'm actually possessed, that would mean the group have absolutely no power over the spirit that's possessing me or lack the indwelling of the Holy Spirit in them. Either way, it's bad.

I feel better (not necessarily feeling the Holy Spirit) alone and can hear the Holy Spirit way better alone and in silence.

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