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"Don't Give up the Ship"

Can you provide the audio of the murdered woman threatening to murder anyone? If not I stand by my statement. You do realize there were planted agitators in that crowd! Jan 6 was not what we were told by the liberal media or the sham Jan 6 committee.
Then what was it that can be reconciled with all the pictures and videos?
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The Final Experiment (Flat Earth Bites The Dust)

Why exactly hide the existence of a Flat Earth in the first place? Like... who does it benefit, and how and why?

That is a fair question ... I think that secret societies really hate Bible, so they try to make it look fake / diss-miss some parts of it ?

But my theory is that you-know-who is real, like real-living-"human" , and he tries to make teachings of God look fake.

I don't have 100% right answer on this one, .. But it's a really good question.
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Father, sons drowned teen daughter over her ‘Western lifestyle’

Not being 100% restricted to a certain ideology isn't the same thing as not being related to something about that ideology.


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Countries with Highest Documented Rates:​


1. Pakistan - Consistently reports around 1,000 cases annually NCBI, with the Human Rights Commission of Pakistan reporting 1,100 cases in 2015 Sage Journals. Pakistan is widely believed to have the highest absolute numbers globally.

2. India - Records approximately 1,000 honor killings per year Hbv-awareness, with nearly one-third of worldwide honor killings occurring in India and Pakistan combined Asu.

3. Iran - Reported 8,000 honor killings between 2010 and 2014 Sage Journals, with academic estimates citing 375-450 such killings occurring annually GOV.UK.

4. Turkey - The Council of Europe estimated over 200 women were murdered in honor killings in 2007 Wikipedia, with reports of one honor killing per week in Istanbul alone.

5. Syria - Some estimates suggest more than 200 honor killings occur annually Wikipedia, with increases reported during the civil war.

6. Jordan - An average of 23 women are killed annually for honor, representing approximately 30% of total murders Sage Journals.

7. Iraq/Iraqi Kurdistan - The Free Women's Organization of Kurdistan reported 6,082 women killed or forced to commit suicide in 2015 Wikipedia, with many attributed to honor-related violence.

8. Afghanistan - 243 cases were registered between March 2011 and April 2013 according to the Afghanistan Independent Human Rights Commission NCBI.

9. Yemen - 400 women were victims of honor killings in 1997 NCBI.

10. Egypt - 52 cases were reported in 1997 NCBI.



Are we noticing any themes or patterns here?



If we were looking at the aspects surrounding negative attitudes toward contraception access, comprehensive sex ed, or stem cell research in the US...

Me being able to find a relatively tiny handful of liberal non-Christians who oppose those things wouldn't negate the reality that those attitudes are predominately found within (and outgrowths of) conservative Christian culture.
That would be a better analogy if there were more than a tiny handful, but I get your point.

The question is, are Muslim immigrants coming here to impose that aspect their culture on us or to escape it?

Why must we assume the former?
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WHAT DOES PAUL. SAID OF Eph 1 : 4. !!

And what do. you mean , BUT it still. HAD actually happen. before. it apples. ??

Read Rom 9:11. and what do you say. it MEANS ??

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It means that It was only a promise until it actually happened. Physical Israel is a OT type of spiritual Israel. Esau is physical Israel. Jacob is spiritual Israel. Spiritual Israel is elect "in Christ" only. All those in spiritual Israel are "in Christ" as a result of faith and then they become elect with Jesus. Jesus is the One elect. We become elect when we are placed in Him, per Eph. 1:1-14. We are placed in Him when we receive the Holy Spirit indwelling as a result of faith always (Eph. 1:13-14). With the Holy Spirit indwelling we are In Christ, without the indwelling we are not in Christ (Romans 8:9-10). Paul said "we" are the first fruits of the Spirit, meaning the firstfruits of the indwelling (Romans 8:23), the baptism with the Holy Spirit Jesus promised when He, Jesus was lifted up, the promise of the Father, the Holy Spirit, which is part of the promises that those in Hebrews died having not received. OT believers were not in Christ, thus they were not elect except by promise until Pentecost, when they were placed into Christ. All they had was a promise that was to come. They were all still in Adam, yet God knew them already. All that the Father gives me I shall not lose one of them. The Sheep. This is who Romans 8:29 is speaking of. These were already known by God, He predestined them to be conformed to the image of His Son (starts when places in Him), those He called with the Gospel message.... None had yet ascended until the cross because they were not yet "in Christ" and born again (John 3:1-14).
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Father, sons drowned teen daughter over her ‘Western lifestyle’

Are we noticing any themes or patterns here?
The countries are all in this region of the world, which points to overarching cultural reasons instead of religion. North africa and large parts of southeast asia are majority muslim, but they are not on that list.

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For example, Indonesia is VERY muslim. 87% of the population are muslims. If you go by total population, it's the country with the most muslims. And yet they have no culture of honor killings, with the first recorded honor killing in 2020.

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"Don't Give up the Ship"

First, did such a thing even happen? I want to see named testimonies.

Second, if it did happen, did Hegseth actually give such an order? I don't believe for a moment that Pentagon lawyers would let "Kill everybody" go down the chain. OTOH, Hegseth loves to put everyone on chat during military operations, so he could have said that directly to the operational unit. Or the order may have been something ambiguous like, "It's not required to take prisoners," and someone lower down interpreted that as "kill everybody."

But, if it did happen, everyone in the operational unit (I've heard it was a SEAL team) has had Law of Armed Conflict training, so every individual knew such a thing was illegal. What does that mean?

Well, in the Vietnam case of Lt William Calley, the enlisted troops were not convicted of war crimes. Investigation showed that Calley (as an officer) had gotten training in the Geneva Conventions...but the enlisted troops had not gotten specific training. In the military, ignorance of the law is a positive defense. So, in the 70s, the military made absolutely certain nobody in uniform could any longer claim ignorance, hence the creation of annual Law of Armed Conflict training mandatory for everybody.

And the DoD is serious about that. In my last assignment, I was superintendent of the training facility for STRATCOM, a joint command. We trained all the services, and my general was dead on my butt every day until each individual was signed off on their LOAC training each year because the Pentagon was dead on her butt about it. I was in front of her desk every day handing her the numbers and names of those who hadn't taken it yet.

I say all that to point out that everyone in the operational unit knew it's illegal to strafe survivors in the water. What they know will be held against them.

If it actually happened.

Of course, Trump will probably pardon them anyway.

You are correct- it is prudent to await additional information before drawing conclusions, which is why I referred to it as an "alleged order." I recognize your deep respect for the military chain of command and trust that the system supports those who act with integrity. While I have not personally served, I value your perspective and share your hope that this trust is well placed.

As an American who believes in democracy, the rule of law, and our system of checks and balances, I have long believed in the resilience of our democratic institutions. However, recent years have presented significant challenges to this confidence. Over the past two decades, there have been instances within the executive, legislative, and judicial branches that suggest a willingness by some individuals to circumvent established protocols, thereby compromising the perceived strength and exemplary nature of our system. These frameworks are only as robust as those elected to maintain them; ultimately, their effectiveness depends on the honor and commitment of public officials.

The same standards apply within the military. Established procedures, defined chains of command, and legal oversight exist to guide conduct appropriately at every level. Nonetheless, these safeguards are effective only if leaders adhere to law and order. In light of developments across government branches, I have growing concerns about whether the U.S. military remains entirely protected from similar challenges.
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Jordan says ICE agents ‘doing the Lord’s work’

"This stunt comes as our ICE officers are facing a more than 1000% increase in assaults against them, including vehicles being used as weapons towards them, and doxing campaigns targeting federal officers and their families."

There is no indication in the article that the Times includes "doxing campaigns targeting federal officers and their families."
Q: Is doxxing assault?
A: No.
Q: Have ICE begun disguising themselves?
A: Yes.
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Scientists find coastal seas acidifying shockingly fast

I will guarantee that in not too much time, batteries and solar panels will be able to be recycled; even if the process may be long.


I just don't understand why you'd want to save money. As soon as you pay off a solar array on your house, it's all straight cash for you. And if you then sell it, the new owners get PURE benefit/
As soon as I pay it off, it will need to be replaced. But that is not the point. The point being that renewable energy often harms the environment elsewhere.
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Father, sons drowned teen daughter over her ‘Western lifestyle’

Then what is the topic? Do you want to talk about domestic violence in foreign countries? I didn't realize you were so concerned about that.
It's okay. Everytime you guys derail one of my threads, I'll just create another one.
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Father, sons drowned teen daughter over her ‘Western lifestyle’

Not so long the very christian nation of Ireland basically enslaved women who got pregnant out of wedlock and let their children die from neglect.

Less enlightened societies tend to treat their vulnerable members badly. Nothing new.
So we should stop importing those less enlightened societies into our country.
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Father, sons drowned teen daughter over her ‘Western lifestyle’

"A Muslim father and his two sons tied up his teen daughter and drowned her in a swamp because they believed her “Western behavior” was shaming their family, according to Dutch prosecutors.

The body of Ryan Al Najjar, 18, was found gagged, bound with tape and submerged in a marsh May 28, 2024, six days after she vanished from the family’s home"

Is this the cultural enlightenment and enrichment people keep telling us?
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Father, sons drowned teen daughter over her ‘Western lifestyle’

Then what is the topic? Do you want to talk about domestic violence in foreign countries? I didn't realize you were so concerned about that.
I guess the topic is this specific killing, and only this specific killing.
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The NEA is pushing far left teaching upon children

Did I dismiss your claim by calling it ridiculous or absurd?

No.

I wonder, though, if you may be dealing with a skewed sample. Four individuals isn't exactly a statistically significant segment of the trans population.

-- A2SG, and, as I said, my research suggests otherwise....
What if I were to tell you that if you are not trans, you have no right to have an opinion on the subject. That is basically what you are trying to tell me.
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DHS confirms arrest of Afghan man in Texas after bomb threat video surfaces online

Just one day before the Terrorist attack against our @NationalGuard, another Afghan national who was paroled into the United States under Biden’s Operation Allies Welcome was arrested for threatening to blow up a building in Fort Worth.


Mohammad Dawood Alokozay
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‘Go to Berkeley’: Ron DeSantis said students seeking ‘woke’ classes should study elsewhere

Wouldn't the ideological counterpart to a Berkley be something more like a Brigham Young University?

It would be like if someone was trying to prove that "artsy degrees are worthless", and chose to compare Baylor University (which is more conservative leaning) to one of those for-profit "Art & Design" schools that pop-up every few years before losing accreditation.
The whole comparison is just a mess. Berkeley, like most of the UC system, is mainly about high quality academics in serious subjects. If "New School" could achieve that, then hats off.

As I understand it, he contrast New School was trying to set up is to completely ignore various lines of "problematic" inquiry that might make up 5% of the typical state school experience but get all the headlines. It just not as fun to discuss math or architecture pedagogy.
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