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Christsfreeservant · 2025-10-20T17:47:26-0500

I am reading in Revelation 13. It is a very long passage of Scripture, so I will only be able to quote parts of it. I would recommend, if you have not already, that you read it in its entirety, for it really speaks of the times in which we are living, and where things are headed in my nation (USA), and in the world, now and in the future.

It begins by speaking of a dragon, which represents Satan. Then it speaks of a beast to whom the dragon (Satan) gives his power and his throne and his great authority. The world then worships the dragon and the beast.

I believe the beast represents a king or a singular governing authority which holds supreme and unrestricted power over the world, and which rules his kingdom by absolute monarchy, which is a One World Order. So this is a one world governing tyrannical authority which could be headed by just one man, but is supported by those who swear their allegiance (fidelity) and support to this tyrannical government, as well as it is supported by the wealthy and powerful ruling class of the world who are behind him. And there is no constitution or elected body to limit the monarch’s power.

The citizens of this absolute monarchy, who give their undying support and loyalty and devotion to “the king,” are those who vow to defend its institution and who vow to not conspire to overthrow the government. They are loyal subjects of the government who give their full support to whatever actions are taken by “the king” (the supreme ruler). But should we obey our governing authorities? Yes, but not without question, and not if they are asking us to give our loyalty and devotion and support to them in whatever they do, and/or if they are asking us to sin against God in any other form.

This beastly tyrannical absolute monarchy is also supported by the wealthy and powerful ruling class of the world. They have been called “the shadow government,” who I believe have largely now come out of the shadows, many of whom are blatantly making decisions for the people of the world over which we have no say, much (or all) of which is not for the good of the people but for the advancement of the wealthy and the powerful elite of the world. More and more they are gaining control over our lives and over our destiny while they plot their evil schemes against the citizens of the world.

“It was also given to him to make war with the saints and to overcome them, and authority over every tribe and people and tongue and nation was given to him. All who dwell on the earth will worship him, everyone whose name has not been written from the foundation of the world in the book of life of the Lamb who has been slain. If anyone has an ear, let him hear. If anyone is destined for captivity, to captivity he goes; if anyone kills with the sword, with the sword he must be killed. Here is the perseverance and the faith of the saints.” (Revelation 13:7-10 NASB1995)

So, how is this “beast” presently making war with the saints (God’s holy people who are living different from the world because being conformed by God to the likeness of character of Jesus Christ)? Well, depending on where you live in the world will depend upon how Christians are being treated. Here in the USA Christians, so far, have not been persecuted in the ways in which Christians are being persecuted in other nations. Our persecution presently is more geared towards those of us who teach biblical repentance and obedience to God as requirements by God as part of faith in Jesus Christ.

We are being charged with being “negative” and “judgmental” and of teaching “works salvation” or “lordship salvation” as a means of us trying to work our way into heaven. Now are there people doing that? Yes. They are the legalists who add fleshly works and traditions onto the gospel. But if we are teaching the words of Jesus and the words taught by the apostles, in the correct biblical context, we are not in error. And they taught that by faith in Jesus Christ it means that we die to sin and we now obey our Lord, in practice, or we don’t have salvation and eternal life with God.

[Matthew 7:13-14,21-23; Luke 9:23-26; John 10:27-30; Acts 26:18; Romans 1:18-32; Romans 2:5-10; Romans 3:23; Romans 6:1-23; Romans 8:1-14; 1 Corinthians 10:1-22; Galatians 5:16-24; Ephesians 2:8-10; Ephesians 4:17-32; Ephesians 5:3-6; Titus 2:11-14; Hebrews 3:1-19; Hebrews 4:1-13; Hebrews 10:19-39; Hebrews 12:1-2; 1 Peter 2:24; 1 John 1:1-10; 1 John 2:3-6; 1 John 3:4-10; Revelation 2:1-29; Revelation 3:1-22]

But the majority here in the USA, anyway, appear to all be teaching a cheapened form of the gospel, which is a half-truth gospel, which only requires a verbal confession of Christ as Lord and Savior, and of his death and resurrection. Repentance may be mentioned, but often in the context of a mere verbal confession of sin, no change required. And biblical repentance and obedience to God may be taught (or not), but usually as more of a recommendation, but not as required of God for salvation from sin and for eternal life with God. And Satan is against the truth, but he’s for the lies.

Why? Because if Satan can get you to believe that God makes no requirements of you other than a verbal profession of Jesus as Lord, et al, then he has you right where he wants you. And if heads of “church” congregations, and if heads of governments can get you to believe Satan’s lies so that you do not die to sin, and so that you do not obey God, in practice, because you believe you don’t have to, they have you right where they want you, too. For they are prepping you to receive the mark of the beast, because your allegiance is really to them, and not to God.

Will you pledge your undying loyalty and devotion to a human government and to a human ruler or “king”? Or to your pastor or to some celebrity preacher and teacher of the Scriptures? Will you heed their words and follow them unquestionably, assuming that because of who they are, that they are telling you the truth? Or will you pledge (vow) your allegiance (fidelity) to God – Father, Son Jesus Christ, and Holy Spirit – and to him alone? Will you seek out his teachings and obey them above all else? And will you test what other humans say against the correct biblical context to see if it is true?

“Here is the perseverance and the faith of the saints.” We must be spiritually discerning people who do not become followers of other humans and who do not pledge our absolute loyalty and devotion to any person or to any government or to any institution of human origin, or we might be taken captive by the lies of Satan and end up not truly saved from our sins, and not truly those who will inherit eternal life with God. So please know what Jesus and his apostles taught, in context, for they taught we must die to sin and obey God or we do not have salvation from sin and eternal life with God.

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Christ’s Free Servant, Sue J Love
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Bombs are bursting. Night is falling.
Jesus Christ is gently calling
You to follow Him in all ways.
Trust Him with your life today.
Make Him your Lord and your Savior.
Turn from your sin. Follow Jesus.
He will forgive you of your sin;
Cleanse your heart, made new within.

Men betraying: Our trust fraying.
On our knees to God we’re praying,
Seeking God to give us answers
That are only found in Him.
God is sovereign over all things.
Nothing from His mind escaping.
He has all things under His command,
And will work all for good.

Jesus Christ is gently calling
You to follow Him in all ways.

Men deceiving: We’re believing
In our Lord, and interceding
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To obey their God today.
He is our hope for our future.
For our wounds He offers suture.
He is all we need for this life.
Trust Him with your life today.

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Vambram · 2025-10-20T17:45:45-0500

camille70 said:
God's heavy hitters smack down Trump, ‘the lying, criminal predator’

Prominent American religious leaders are joining protests against the manifest evils of the Trump Administration.

independentaustralia.net

God's heavy hitters smack down Trump

Not my title. Posted for comments from religious leaders on the mass deportations.

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Recently-installed Pope Leo XIV met this month with the Bishop of El Paso, Mark Seitz, and senior Catholic welfare director Dylan Corbett as violence by Trump’s goons against refugees and citizens alike was raging.

The Pontiff told his two countrymen:

The church cannot stay silent before injustice. You stand with me. And I stand with you.

You have in your hands a very important task: to accompany those who are deeply in need of a sign that God never abandons us: the smallest, the poorest, the foreigner — everyone.

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Pat Khanke is a retired conservative Evangelical minister, a published author and now an internet video producer. He was a lifelong Republican-voting anti-abortion campaigner and while still pro-life, is no longer pro-GOP.

Khanke's gentle-Jesus manner has recently morphed into a scathing condemnation of Trump’s sexual predation and criminality:

Corruption isn’t going to fix itself. Whatever else the MAGA movement is and whatever else Donald Trump might be, Trump and MAGA are corrupt to the core. And corruption is only going to embed itself deeper until it’s rooted out. Trump’s rhetoric about draining the swamp was always dishonest. He is the most corrupt president in history. And now he has corrupted the Republican Party and he is corrupting every institution of government. And he’s corrupting the Christian groups who thought that he might be serving their interests.

Khanke urged all believers to abandon the MAGA movement:

“Obviously, OBVIOUSLY, I’m not going to vote for a lying, criminal predator, especially in the name of Jesus, because obviously that’s sick, and offensive.... You don’t vote for the criminal.”

Obviously, those religious leaders disagree with many other religious leaders and millions upon millions of Christians who support President Donald Trump.

Delvianna · 2025-10-20T17:42:29-0500

Maria Billingsley said:
They are scholars not proselytizers. The why I see it, the longer they are able to stay the longer they learn about truth in Christ.

Thank you for your response and you raise a good point. But I'm curious, if you see this as a promotion of Islam or not, since they're being accommodating.

FaithT · 2025-10-20T17:41:05-0500

I have MS but have been doing well for years, or so I thought. I stopped seeing my neurologist a few years ago because I felt fine, except for some symptoms I didn’t know could be MS related. Now I think that maybe they are. Among other things, I’ve had two episodes in the past month where 1) I couldn’t get up off the floor from putting my socks on and hubby had to help me up. My legs wouldn’t support me, and 2) another one where I couldn’t get out of bed….arms were too weak and couldnt roll over and sit up. I have an appointment with a Neurology NP later this week. It’s kind of early in the day, at a time I’m usually not up yet and I’m anxious I’ll have a panic attack and anxious about what the NP is going to say or do to me. Please pray for me that this is all MS related and not something even worse and please pray I get through the appointment without freaking out. Thanks in advance.

Maria Billingsley · 2025-10-20T17:38:50-0500

Delvianna said:
"The Vatican Apostolic Library, one of the world’s most prestigious repositories of religious scholarship, has confirmed it now provides a dedicated prayer space for Muslim academics visiting its collections. This move has ignited passionate debate about the growing ties between the Vatican and Islam."

Vatican Opens Muslim Prayer Room Sparking Fierce Debate

The Vatican Apostolic Library, one of the world's most prestigious repositories of religious scholarship, has confirmed it now provides a dedicated prayer space for Muslim academics visiting its collections. This move has ignited passionate debate about the growing ties between the Vatican and...

israel365news.com

I'm curious what you guys think about it?

They are scholars not proselytizers. The way I see it, the longer they are able to stay the longer they learn about truth in Christ.

Fervent · 2025-10-20T17:38:14-0500

Colo Millz said:
From Enlightenment rationalism, which has produced only monsters.

My question was more rhetorical, because they claim they're not representing a particular worldview as if the values they want to push were simply pulled from thin air as brute facts. The fact that they're likely serious and believe their values are just basic human values and not specific to their worldview just shows the extent that their worldview is privileged in public discourse.

Delvianna · 2025-10-20T17:34:19-0500

"The Vatican Apostolic Library, one of the world’s most prestigious repositories of religious scholarship, has confirmed it now provides a dedicated prayer space for Muslim academics visiting its collections. This move has ignited passionate debate about the growing ties between the Vatican and Islam."

Vatican Opens Muslim Prayer Room Sparking Fierce Debate

The Vatican Apostolic Library, one of the world's most prestigious repositories of religious scholarship, has confirmed it now provides a dedicated prayer space for Muslim academics visiting its collections. This move has ignited passionate debate about the growing ties between the Vatican and...

israel365news.com

I'm curious what you guys think about it?

eclipsenow · 2025-10-20T17:33:57-0500

Servus said:
ICE wouldn't need to be so large of a force if Biden and Harris had maintained border control.

1. Immigrants put more into the American GDP and commit less crime than American born citizens - so what's the problem?
2. There was a flood of people when Biden came in - and then Kamala travelled around South America and started to fix the PUSH factors - and immigration started to drop off WITHOUT wasting umpteen billion dollars on ICE?
3. Did you know there were countries SOUTH of the border 'wall'? Imagine that!? Imagine GOING THERE to find out what was wrong - and what was DRIVING people into the USA? Instead of just locking up the flood that comes - how about finding the source of that flood.
4. (Better stop now - approaching too many words and thoughts for you.)

Hentenza · 2025-10-20T17:33:12-0500

RDKirk said:
The evangelist is the sower. The evangelist is the sower even in 1 Corinthians 3:

“What, after all, is Apollos? And what is Paul? Only servants, through whom you came to believe—as the Lord has assigned to each his task. I planted the seed, Apollos watered it, but God has been making it grow. So neither the one who plants nor the one who waters is anything, but only God, who makes things
Again, the sower is the evangelist planting the seed, but it's God who makes the gospel grow in the soil. The soil cannot transform itself. That idea doesn't even work as a parable, because those farm-knowledgeable people knew that soil does not transform itself.

You are misunderstanding 1Cor. 3.

“And I, brothers and sisters, could not speak to you as spiritual people, but only as fleshly, as to infants in Christ. I gave you milk to drink, not solid food; for you were not yet able to consume it. But even now you are not yet able, for you are still fleshly. For since there is jealousy and strife among you, are you not fleshly, and are you not walking like ordinary people? For when one person says, “I am with Paul,” and another, “I am with Apollos,” are you not ordinary people?”
‭‭1 Corinthians‬ ‭3‬:‭1‬-‭4‬ ‭NASB2020‬‬

1 Corinthians 3:1-4 And I, brothers and sisters, could not speak to you as spiritual people, but only as fleshly, as to infants in Christ. I gave you milk to drink, not solid food; for you were not yet able to consume it | New American Standard Bible

And I, brothers and sisters, could not speak to you as spiritual people, but only as fleshly, as to infants in Christ. I gave you milk to drink, not solid food; for you were not yet able to consume it

bible.com

The immature ChristIans of Corinth are taking favorites in which teachings they want to follow, Paul or Apollo, rather than following the teachings of the apostles as a whole. Even today people have their favorite pastors and will follow their preaching sometimes without question.

“What then is Apollos? And what is Paul? Servants through whom you believed, even as the Lord gave opportunity to each one. I planted, Apollos watered, but God was causing the growth. So then neither the one who plants nor the one who waters is anything, but God who causes the growth. Now the one who plants and the one who waters are one; but each will receive his own reward according to his own labor. For we are God’s fellow workers; you are God’s field, God’s building.”
‭‭1 Corinthians‬ ‭3‬:‭5‬-‭9‬ ‭NASB2020‬‬

1 Corinthians 3:5-6 What then is Apollos? And what is Paul? Servants through whom you believed, even as the Lord gave opportunity to each one. I planted, Apollos watered, but God was causing the growth. | New American Standard Bible - NASB (NASB2020)

What then is Apollos? And what is Paul? Servants through whom you believed, even as the Lord gave opportunity to each one. I planted, Apollos watered, but God was causing the growth.

bible.com

This continues that conversation but makes it clear that the one who is in charge is God not Paul or Apollo. Since God is the one thst grows and since they are God’s field then they need to mature IN God not in Paul or Apollo.

God causes the growth but these people are already Christians and they need to mature with God’s help. Once a person is justified then they need to cooperate with God in their sanctification. This is the deep teaching of this chapter. Paul even goes to explain in the following verses how these people will be judged based on their works performed during sanctification. There are many choices that the believers choose here that leads to the rewards that they will get at judgement time. The choice to mature is with the person so the choices a person makes can change the soil. Again, the soil is not static.

RDKirk said:
But in Romans:

Romans 8:7 – “The mind governed by the flesh is hostile to God; it does not submit to God’s law, nor can it do so.”

“Mind governed by the flesh” refers to the natural, unregenerate human mind. The verse underscores human inability to turn to God or obey His law without divine intervention. This is the passage in Romans that explicitly states inability, not just unwillingness: the fleshly mind is incapable of submission to God apart from the Spirit.

The natural mind is hostile and incapable, but through union with Christ, the believer is freed from sin and empowered to live righteously. Human agency is insufficient apart from God’s grace, and obedience is a result of God’s work, not human effort alone.

We basically agree here. No one can come to God unless He draws Him and man in its natural state can not come to God but if God draws him (seed) then He can become a believer. This IS the same argument that I made at the beginning of this thread. If natural man can reason God’s existence then God drew him to Him and he then would become a believer. The scriptures is full of scriptures that teach that man alone is incapable of coming to Christ in their fallen state.

RDKirk said:
The soil cannot transform itself.

People choices can transform the soil once the call has been made.

eclipsenow · 2025-10-20T17:31:35-0500

BCP1928 said:
But they still would be committing the worst crime of all--contaminating the purity of our cultural heritage. How are you going to stop them from doing that?

I know right? "Poisoning the blood" and "eating the dogs!"

Honestly - that rich entitled racist narcissist - how did America elect him?

Bro.T · 2025-10-20T17:27:05-0500

The keeping of Sunday as the Christian Sabbath is not of God but of Man. If you are a true Christian, which means a follower of Christ or to be Christ like; then why are you following a day set up by man? Paul kept the Lord’s Sabbath well after the death and resurrection of Christ. So why are you going to church on the first day of the week? Well if you don’t know history will tell you why.

ORIGIN OF SUNDAY WORSHIP

Ample evidence from history shows that the celebration of Sunday originated from pagan practices of SUN WORSHIP. In March of 321 A.D., the Roman Emperor Constantine, who was at first a sun-worshiper and later a Christian convert, issued the first decree declaring Sunday to be a legal day of rest. In 336 A.D., the Roman Catholic Church officially changed the observance of Sabbath to Sunday for political and economic expediency. Since then, the original Sabbath gradually gave way to Sunday observance and the practice remains to this day.

You see, in the Council of Trent (1545 A.D.), the church leaders ruled that "tradition" is of as great authority as the Bible! They believed that God had given them the authority to change the Bible any way they pleased. By "tradition" they meant human teachings.

The sun was the main god of the heathen even back as far as ancient Babylon. Since they worshiped the sun on Sunday, the compromising church leaders could see that if they changed the Sabbath from Saturday to Sunday, it would accomplish several things. Number one - it would separate them from the Jews who were hated by many of the Romans and who, along with Jesus, And he taught in their synagogues, being glorified of all. And he came to Nazareth, where he had been brought up: and, as his custom was, he went into the synagogue on the sabbath day, and stood up for to read. (Luke 4:16), had been worshiping on Saturday from the beginning (and still do today). Number two - it would make it much easier for the pagans to come into the church if the Christians met on the same day that the pagan world did.

It worked well. Pagans flocked in by the thousands. Satan's plan of compromise was doing its baleful work. The change was attempted gradually but many of the true hearted, loyal Christians were alarmed. They came to the leaders and wanted to know why they had dared tamper with the law of Almighty God! The church leaders knew this would happen - and they had an answer ready. It's a masterpiece. If a person doesn't know the bible well it sounds good.

The people were told that they were worshiping on Sunday now because Jesus rose from the dead on that day.

There's not even one verse in the Bible that tells us to do this, but that's what they were told. Isn't it amazing! Maybe you've even heard that yourself!

When Emperor Constantine became a Christian, Christianity became the state religion you remember. As thousands of sun-worshipers flocked into the church, it wasn't long before they had a dominating influence. Most of his top officials had been sun-worshipers. Because the Roman government was getting shaky, Constantine consulted with his aides and with the church officials in Rome.

"What shall we do? How can we unite and stabilize the government?"

The counsel of the church leaders was timely.

"Pass a Sunday law. Force everyone to cease work and honor Sunday."

That was it! It would satisfy the sun-worshiping pagans, and unite pagans, Christians, and the Roman empire as never before.

The year is 321 A.D. Constantine, yielding to the suggestion of church leaders passes the first Sunday law! Here it is, straight out of the record:

"Let all the judges and town people, and the occupation of all trades rest on the venerable day of the sun" Edict of March 7, 321 A.D. Corpus Juris Civilis Cod., lib. 3, tit. 12, Lex. 3.

Bro.T · 2025-10-20T17:23:01-0500

NewLifeInChristJesus said:
Therefore you shall be perfect, just as your Father in heaven is perfect. (Mt 5:48)

How does that verse make you feel? I'm guessing you might be looking for a way to wiggle out of it.

I would've loved if you could've of found a way to ask a question with a humble heart. Let's take a look at an example of being perfect in Isaiah 38: 1 In those days was Hezekiah sick unto death. And Isaiah the prophet the son of Amoz came unto him, and said unto him, Thus saith the LORD, Set thine house in order: for thou shalt die, and not live. 2 Then Hezekiah turned his face toward the wall, and prayed unto the LORD, 3 and said, Remember now, O LORD, I beseech thee, how I have walked before thee in truth and with a perfect heart, and have done that which is good in thy sight. And Hezekiah wept sore. 4 Then came the word of the LORD to Isaiah, saying, 5 Go, and say to Hezekiah, Thus saith the LORD, the God of David thy father, I have heard thy prayer, I have seen thy tears: behold, I will add unto thy days fifteen years.

Let's take another look at an example in Genesis 17: 1 And when Abram was ninety years old and nine, the LORD appeared to Abram, and said unto him, I am the Almighty God; walk before me, and be thou perfect. 2 And I will make my covenant between me and thee, and will multiply thee exceedingly.

9 And God said unto Abraham, Thou shalt keep my covenant therefore, thou, and thy seed after thee in their generations. 10 This is my covenant, which ye shall keep, between me and you and thy seed after thee; Every man child among you shall be circumcised. 11 And ye shall circumcise the flesh of your foreskin; and it shall be a token of the covenant betwixt me and you. 23 And Abraham took Ishmael his son, and all that were born in his house, and all that were bought with his money, every male among the men of Abraham's house; and circumcised the flesh of their foreskin in the selfsame day, as God had said unto him. 24 And Abraham was ninety years old and nine, when he was circumcised in the flesh of his foreskin. 25 And Ishmael his son was thirteen years old, when he was circumcised in the flesh of his foreskin. 26In the selfsame day was Abraham circumcised, and Ishmael his son. 27 And all the men of his house, born in the house, and bought with money of the stranger, were circumcised with him.

Hezekiah had a perfect heart toward God and Abraham had perfect faith towards God, while keeping God's Commandments, Statues and Judgements as we are to keep this day.

Let's take a look at a situation in Matthew 19: 16 And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life? 17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments. 18 He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, 19 Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. 20 The young man saith unto him, All these things have I kept from my youth up: what lack I yet? Notice the young man says "All these things have I kept from my youth up: what lack I yet?" The young man didn’t need to ask this question to Jesus, because he was already in a good place with the Lord. This is where the story gets interesting, because if you read the full story which we have to do, to get full understanding. We will see that the keeping of the Commandments Jesus mention wasn't the young man problem, it was something else. We do well learning from this, because it's always something we need to prove in our walk in the Lord.

21 Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me. 22 But when the young man heard that saying, he went away sorrowful: for he had great possessions. The young may have been perfect in keeping the Commandments, and doing so he was blessed and had great possession, but when he was ask what he lack, and it was giving up everything to follow Jesus. The young man had a problem with that.

So Jesus says if thou be perfect, that means the young was really close to being perfect, but the young had great riches that he couldn't let go, and that goes with what Jesus says in Matthew (22:37) Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. (38) This is the first and great commandment. This was very hard for the young man to do. So let's recap the story a little, the young man kept the commandments from his youth up, all most perfect, except one thing Jesus ask him to do, and that's sell all his possession and come follow him. This is about the young man heart, he did right by keeping the law from his youth up and he was bless, but his heart toward the lord was not all the way in place.

So let's continue in Matthew 19: 23 Then said Jesus unto his disciples, Verily I say unto you, That a rich man shall hardly enter into the kingdom of heaven. 24 And again I say unto you, It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God. 25 When his disciples heard it, they were exceedingly amazed, saying, Who then can be saved? 26 But Jesus beheld them, and said unto them, With men this is impossible; but with God all things are possible.

Dan Perez · 2025-10-20T17:21:27-0500

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Florian7051 · 2025-10-20T17:20:40-0500

I understand that everyone has opinions. I don't even think it's wrong to say today we're going to talk about abortion; here is why the Bible supports it or doesn't. That is completely different than telling someone who has been to your church for service twice (and I know the Reverend was specifically addressing me and my wife because he used quotes out of an email I sent him) if you're not voting Democrat (he said "a specific party" not "Democrat" but he just got done running bullet points of the Democratic platform, so it was obvious) "you're not honoring Jesus". I kid you not he said "... you're not honoring Jesus". The email I sent him basically just thanked him for reaching out to me after we attended service as a guest and signed the guestbook with our contact information. The service started by saying all are welcome, quoting my friendly email a couple times ambiguously, then into political rant covering Democratic talking points with no reference to scripture, then by stating all are welcome again, "but if you're not voting a certain way, then you're not honoring Jesus". The way I felt after listening was, you're not welcome here if you're a Republican. I know I have PTSD and tend to take things personally, so I greeted him kindly after service and introduced myself and my wife. Then I went home and slept and prayed on it for 2 days to see if I still felt the same way, and I did. Now it's been a couple of weeks and I still feel that was the message. Again I have no problem tackling a political hot key and using the Bible to determine what Jesus would have thought about this particular issue if it were prevalent during the time of his teaching, but that is a far cry from what happened, and I've seen it on YouTube as well from both sides, right and left. To my understanding, and I know it's limited, I don't have even 1 percent of the knowledge that some of these people have, but Jesus spoke from a position of love. Both the right and the left have room to do better.

retired firefighter · 2025-10-20T17:18:42-0500

Michie said:
One of my very good friends is Holiness Pentecostal. One of the sweetest ladies you’d ever want to meet. ♥️

here i Eastern Okla. there are several and some are even building new buildings. the Holy Ghost is still evident as Jesus is alive !

retired firefighter · 2025-10-20T17:16:16-0500

John Sharman said:
Misinformed? About what? I only said that "Holiness" churches aren't a thing in Australia - we don't call them by that name here. And no, I'm not Catholic, I'm a baptised-in-the-Spirit Pentecostal.

fantastic to hear that, what are the holiness churches called there ?

Pommer · 2025-10-20T17:07:15-0500

Still using the left-right political spectrum seems a bit Pollyanna-ish at this juncture.

eclipsenow · 2025-10-20T17:04:56-0500

Servus said:
No, my concise post do not require that. Very few people have ever replied to my posts with walls of text in the 27 years I've posted on internet forums starting with Usenet.

Well at least I'm glad you have now demonstrated to the list how willing you are to read outside your comfort zone, and how much of the basic science you know!

Hey - did you know climate science has changed before!? Amazing that! All those silly climate scientists going on about climate change today - ha ha ha - how do they live with themselves? :doh:

Pommer · 2025-10-20T17:03:42-0500

dogs4thewin said:
no do not kill people that does not mean that special ED is particularly something that benefits a large part of the population directly. It was in the 80s when the IDEA passed did they kill them before them nope all it was was that a district was not REQUIRED to accept special needs kids who could not be in mainline classrooms as a result those parents broke no law by not sending their kid to school, but they did not prevent them from either paying if they could afford to so or providing basic education at home. For example, I was SPED due to a moderate case of CP if I went to school in the 70s and early 80s as opposed to the late 90s through the 2000s my parents would NOT be required to send me to school, BUT there was no law that said that my parents could not either pay for assistance or even simply teach me basic skills at home such as how to read and do simple math now would I be able to get as far as I got probably not but would I not be allowed to have basic skills that I could handle also no.

Most of this “goes away” and we’re back to providing education to the bulk, (but by no means “all”), educable children and those children who fall-in-the cracks, well, that’s what “families” are for!

eclipsenow · 2025-10-20T17:02:45-0500

Benaiah468 said:
Are the Jewish settlements in Judea/Samaria really 'illegal'?

Contrary to a widespread prejudice, the ‘occupation’ is a consequence of the war against Israel and not its cause.

UN Security Council Resolution 242 does not require Israel to withdraw from all territories occupied in 1967 because the resolution uses the phrase "from territories occupied," not "from all territories". This omission was deliberate, allowing for negotiations to establish "secure and recognized boundaries" in a peace agreement, which could differ from the pre-war lines. The resolution has been interpreted to mean that some land would be returned in exchange for peace, but not necessarily all of it.

Semantic gibberish.

The 2 state solution is hard enough assuming a few DMZ transit corridors across Israel. Let alone Israel's arrogance in assuming it can turn the West Bank into a Swiss Cheese state - demanding that the Palestinians be GRATEFUL that Israel left them the little holes!

Benaiah468 said:
Whatever the details of a future peace agreement may be, the fact remains that an armistice line between Israel and the "West Bank" does not exist.

Can you please unpack this - as I'm not sure I agree with how you're using armistice line?

Benaiah468 said:
This was already the case in 1949, when Israel's enemies did not yet have tens of thousands of rockets at their disposal, as terrorist groups such as Hezbollah in Lebanon or Hamas in the Gaza Strip, and it is even more true today, when a rocket fired from the "West Bank" can reach Netanya, Tel Aviv and Jerusalem within seconds.

Oh - I see. Circular reasoning based on prejudice.
1. The Palestinians are awful people that will never grant Israel's right to exist.
2. They will always attack Israel.
3. So Israel are justified in continuing illegal setter-colonialism across the West Bank to treat the Palestinian civilians as the criminals we all know they are!

When you treat people like this, they'll be incited to more rebellion and some of them will get pushed too far - and do awful things.
It's sociology 101.

Your attitude guarantees there will never be peace.

Benaiah468 said:
As the current "Palestinian" leadership

Your "comments" are so full of "attitude" that I'm done reading this post "right here". I can see the general vibe. If you want to reply to the points already raised above, I'm all ears.

GoldenBoy89 · 2025-10-20T17:01:39-0500

Servus said:
What difference does it make?

It gives a more accurate picture, for people who care about that kind of thing.

Servus said:
It's not going to affect his term in office and he won't be running for reelection.

It does show the administration to be out of step with what a majority of voters think. That won’t affect Trump’s current term or any delusions of reelection but it could be bad news for others trying to prop up this administration and run on their same agenda.

Servus said:
Outside of that, polls always only consist of an infinitesimal percentage of voters, and the results will always depend on which demographic is being polled.

That’s how polling has always worked.

Pommer · 2025-10-20T16:57:06-0500

comana said:
At lest some Democrats have pushed for a Medicare for all type model. Insurance tied to employment is not helping anything. At a minimum, all healthcare insurance needs to be removed from employer benefit packages and put on the open market like auto and home insurance to bring in actual competition on premiums.

Americans can either have a healthcare system that provides for all people free at the point of service, or a military budget approaching $1,000,000,000,000.

Guess which one we have?

Pommer · 2025-10-20T16:50:43-0500

A2SG said:
I'll leave legal arguments to the appeals court, as I'm not qualified to evaluate them, but arguments are not evidence. And anyone claiming "lawfare" with this, or with James' civil case against Trump, has yet to provide any actual evidence of misconduct or malfeasance.

Forcing people into court is sometimes “enough” punishment.

Think of Comey as a Venezuelan boat, lazily “fishing” and “hauling”.
Oopie-dupey, boat is no-more!?
Maybe other “Venezuelan boats” might take notice!?

stevevw · 2025-10-20T16:50:35-0500

Stopped_lurking said:
But how does it support the claims of ancient technology and lost knowledge?

By archeologists acknowledging that sophisticated, social and religious cultures existed way earlier than we thought.

Stopped_lurking said:
Which other GT have been named?

Just within eastern Turkey there are suppose to be at least 20 GT yet to be unearthed. They are usually in the form of a mound, hense GT was known as Pot belly hill. there are many and tests have intitially found evidence. But even GT itself is only around 1/10th discovered. Its pretty big.

Other sites similar to Göbekli Tepe include Çatalhöyük, Karahan Tepe and Nevalı Çori, Taş Tepeler in Turkey. Also Malta's Megalithic Temples and Caral-Supe and other sites in the Americas including Peru.

Stopped_lurking said:
We know that modern humans have existed for perhaps 300k years. People's existence by itself is not strange.

But if we were around for 300K and our brains were more or less the same then it seems unreal that it took us so long to invent stuff. How do we know we have not already gained certain knowledge only to lose it and start again. At least in sections of the planet.

If civilisation was concentrated around certain areas that also suffered catastrophe then it makes sense that over 300,000 years we have had big changes to the earths climate, or disasters, earth quakes, floods, ect. We have the mass extinction event of Mega Forna only around 12,000 years ago which would have wiped out humans as well.

Stopped_lurking said:
Let's excavate it before it is used as evidence of anything.

Hum we already have sort of. Petrie found it and so did others. I agree lets escavate it as its one of the last great treatsures of the Egyptians. Thats unless we find something under the Gixa pyramids in the meantime lol.

Discovery of secret tunnels below Egypt's Giza pyramids linked to forgotten underworld

Discovery under Egypt's pyramids linked to forgotten underworld

Egyptologist Armando Mei has shared his stunning discoveries beneath Egypt's Giza pyramids, hidden passages that may lead to an underground world mentioned in ancient texts.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Hidden Underworld of the Giza Plateau is Finally Brought to Light | Ancient Origins

A vast network of underground chambers and water tunnels have been discovered beneath several of the world’s most well-known pyramids, including the Great Pyramid on Egypt’s Giza Plateau.

www.ancient-origins.net

Stopped_lurking said:
But not evidence for ancient technology or lost knowledge. Do you have a reference for the timeframe? The stones seem to be of roman origin.

Yes the temple of Venus that sits on top of the megalith foundations which were already there and from an earlier time. Other large megalth blocks such as the 'Pregnant Women' which weights 1200 ton and another 1500 ton are still in the ground.

The tech knowledge comes in the form of being able to cut and move such massive blocks so early in time. Even the Romans could not move these mega blocks of granite.

Stopped_lurking said:
Which most believe it's a natural formation.

Since when did nature create near perfect stairs.

There is disagreement and scientists also think it man made. It resembles other prehistory megaliths and signatures like this at Mount Nokogiri Japan. Its very similar to other sites like Sayhuite, Peru.

A lead Yonaguni expert Dr Kimura presented at the 11th Annual Symposium on Maritime Archaeology and History of Hawaii and the Pacific , they found quarry marks all over, the loop road that winds around the bottom just like the other quarries with over 150 dives, Kimura has studied the site more extensively.

Page Two of the Exclusive Interview with - Professor Masaaki Kimura - University of the Ryukyus Okinawa, Japan - morien-institute

text translation service for many worldwide languages Today is Saturday, February 25, 2023 Professor Kimura and his students show below a variety of artifacts, including carved stones with recognisable symbols and a number of underwater megaliths showing distinct evidence of...

www.morien-institute.org

By the way, how do you think they cut the sharp edges on the cliff faces up so high. Some 200 feet abover the ground. Was that a hand saw. Did they pound and rub them into existence.

Stopped_lurking said:
How is volcanic glass hinting at a metallurgical precursor?

I think they mean that the blade was as sharp as a metal surgical blade. So a non metal precusor to a very sharp cutting tool. I think the real point is that its 12,000 years old.

Stopped_lurking said:
Expertly balanced? What is the meaning of that?

Ah they mean they work lol. They can be thrown to catch prey and not go sideways or lose direction when thrown through the air lol.

Stopped_lurking said:
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Are you sure about the timeframe?

Seems so

Ancient hunters may have used throwing spears 300,000 years ago

Preserved wooden spears from hundreds of thousands of years ago seem to have been suitable for throwing, not just close-range attacks

www.newscientist.com

Stopped_lurking said:
What are the connections to ancient technology and lost knowledge? There are archeological traces of hominids predating modern humans. That is not enough.

No that if humans were building wooden shelters near 500,000 years ago it would be no surprise that they have developed some advanced knowledge along the way and then lost it. Probably more than once. Or in certain places throughout time.

The chances of humans gaoing all sorts of knowledge that we don't even understand seems great considering we have only developed our advanced knowledge in the last 5,000 years.

Especially knowledge in our recent past around 8,000 to 14,000 years ago with the megaliths and out of place works that speak of a peak in knowledge that more or less dissappear fairly suddenly.

How most cultures speak of this as advanced knowledge lost from the gods. No to say that this is from the gods but that it was a higher and deeper knowledge of nature and reality that allowed them to achieve such great works.

Stopped_lurking said:
Empirical, based on experience. It is the normal way to learn. What do you mean?

No experience itself is subjective, You experience something about what it is like to experience that something lol. It has to be qualified or rather quantified. That is science. Its using sense data and applying it to a quantified measure according to an assumption and the empirical evidence that comes from experiemnets ect.

But if you notice the initial phenomena of the world and reality is experiencential. Experiences immersed in reality. So science is trying to detach itself from this 1st person experience to then quantify whats happening according to a prior assumption that its fundementally naturalistic.

Science (methological naturalism) will only look for and count the naturalistic (phyical and observable) causes. Science has to remove the subject from the equation to be able to do its work.

Yet experience is really a subjective phenomena and we can gain knowledge of reality directly through experiencing it which cannot be measures quantitatively. Is not material or physical. So already science omits a large chunk of possibility as a non cause.

It is this experiential knowledge that I think is related to the ancients and how they were immersed in nature and by extention reality in the 1st person. So they were able to gain knowledge of reality through direct experiences. Which enabled them to understand some of its secrets to be able to manipulate it. Or understand ways in how nature itself worked and utilised it.

comana · 2025-10-20T16:48:33-0500

I am much more concerned about alcohol and firearms than cannabis and firearms.

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