Gene2memE said:

Geeeee, what possible reasons could Afghans have to leave their country and see refuge elsewhere?

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Look they all had their chance to band together and create a different type of country. They didn't. Its rheir own fault. Its not ours or anyone's else's responsibility to allow a bunch of third worlders into western nations to create problems in those countries.

A2SG said:

I don't know....if someone asks you to call them by a specific name, or even by specific pronouns, and you refuse (despite their protestations) because if your own agenda, that could easily come across as rude.

Just imagine if someone came up to you and kept insisting you admit your god isn't real. How would that make you feel, I wonder?


And biology isn't gender. Also the truth.


Yeah, they do.

-- A2SG, remember our friend Horatio.....

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No. Refusing to bow down to fantasy or a specific agenda is NOT rude. And I do not accept gender ideology to begin with because I see it as harmful, so I very much see gender as biology.

Males are men. Females are women. Intersex is a birth defect.

This was well accepted until rather recently.

RileyG said:

HE really doesn’t, but we are getting off topic.

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Well, she seems to disagree with you. I wonder who would know better?

RileyG said:

If adults decide to be trans, fine.

Just leave minors out of it.

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Already happening. No one's operating on minors; as for adolescents, it's still very rare.

-- A2SG, so problem solved. Yay!

Apple Sky said:

Revealing Biblical Earth & The Reality Of God.​

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I would suggest to really be selective in your choice of videos. Because the person who is doing these videos is a nut case and definitely will not put a positive case out to the public for flat earth beliefs.

RileyG said:

I’m not being rude.

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I don't know....if someone asks you to call them by a specific name, or even by specific pronouns, and you refuse (despite their protestations) because of your own agenda, that could easily come across as rude.

Just imagine if someone came up to you and kept insisting you admit your god isn't real. How would that make you feel, I wonder?

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It’s simple biology. Men are not women or vice versa. The truth isn’t rude.

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And biology isn't gender. Also the truth.

RileyG said:

Actions speak louder than words.

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Yeah, they do.

-- A2SG, remember our friend Horatio.....

Aldebaran said:

As I said, the same people who made that video will be calling anything Trump does that they don't like "illegal". Whether it's ICE raids, or military operations in/over Venezuela. Those democrats are simply trying to cause divisions between military members and those who command them.

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One has to ask.if Trump has done anything legal in the eyes of most of the left today. Just look at all theae threads involving hia actions. From day one he's been accused on almost everything he's tried to accomplish as being illegal.

Stopped_lurking said:

What doctor wouldn't have a therapeutic dialogue before prescribe medication or referring for surgery?

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I don’t know.

Hopefully most doctors are professional.

GoldenBoy89 said:

That this is quite a tragedy but not really surprising in our gun country where we tend a mass shooting a day year after year. How did he get a gun is my question.

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Unfortunately, it’s not that difficult to obtain guns nowadays. Sigh.

Stopped_lurking said:

Don't you discuss civics and history in school?

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Yes. That’s part of education.

LGBT+ is not.

Stopped_lurking said:

Absolutely nothing, that would be the first step by counselling/medical team especially if they also express signs of gender dysphoria.

Do they have a positive track record?

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I don’t know. Maybe they have dysphoria because of abuse, or an absent father, or overbearing mother? Or other trauma? Again, I’m not sure. That’s up to unbiased professionals.

essentialsaltes said:

Thousands of immigrants could be eligible for bond hearings, striking down DHS policy: Judge​

A federal judge has struck down a Department of Homeland Security policy implemented in July that forced most immigrants who entered the United States without inspection to remain in detention throughout their removal proceedings.

The decision could potentially allow thousands of immigrants who have been subject to mandatory detention to be released.

On Tuesday, Judge Sunshine Suzanne Sykes in California certified a class granting relief to migrants who “have entered or will enter the United States without inspection” and those who were not initially detained when they came into the country.

[Class actions can still trigger nationwide effects.]

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Another judge over reaching.

A2SG said:

You say it is happening, I say it isn't. I wonder if there's any possible way to resolve this discrepancy?


She seems fine.

-- A2SG, as to those others, maybe you should ask THEM how THEY feel.....

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HE really doesn’t, but we are getting off topic.

If adults decide to be trans, fine.

Just leave minors out of it.

Vambram said:

If judges are allowed to pick and choose federal DA's, then judges are overstepping their roles as judges. The DA must be selected by the Presidents and then approved by the Senate.

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If you are trying to insinuate that the law is unconstitutional, this doesn't actually help you in your claims that the judge was wrong. Because if the law that they tried to use to install Halligan is ruled unconstitutional, then... obviously, they couldn't install Halligan that way (a reasonably straightforward reading of the law also says they can't install Halligan, but the point is if the law is unconstitutional to begin with, then they definitely can't install her under it, because it's unconstitutional).

Even if your assertion is that not the whole law is unconstitutional, merely the specific part of the law that allows for the district court to choose the interim attorney after the 120-day period has expired, that still doesn't help Halligan because the result of that would simply mean that once we're past that 120-day period, which we are, the position stays empty until the Senate confirms someone. Since Halligan has not been confirmed by the Senate (has she even been nominated?), she's therefore not appointed to the position.

Thus under the interpretation you appear to be advancing, Halligan's appointment is still invalid.

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https://www.politico.com/news/2025/10/14/private-chat-among-young-gop-club-members-00592146?fbclid=IwY2xjawNb7yVleHRuA2FlbQIxMQABHpiuAgGef-xx5qyN-d1eFzGG5htMwUgWGcxSRZ_z0x0j0NyBaTOim2xKgME7_aem_sJU63VqLDrytz8LRHme4lA

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Yeah, which one of those people are Nazis? You dont even know who they are. Too many on the left see a Nazi under every bush.

RileyG said:

There is. It’s happening. I cannot post the link, but it’s very common.

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You say it is happening, I say it isn't. I wonder if there's any possible way to resolve this discrepancy?

RileyG said:

Especially among many girls who now transition because they had a friend that did (peer pressure) or a controlling mother.

I only wish Jennings the best. No young boy deserves to go through what he did. It’s sickening.

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She seems fine.

-- A2SG, as to those others, maybe you should ask THEM how THEY feel.....

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So a biased source. Got it.

See, I went right to the person herself, and she tells a different story. Gee, I wonder which one knows Jazz better?


Then maybe you should listen to her, let her speak for herself.


Hey, you have the right to be as rude and dismissive of other people as you like.

-- A2SG, and as we move into December, this subject may come up again when some strident religious types complain about stores wishing them a Happy Holiday....

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I’m not being rude. It’s simple biology. Men are not women or vice versa. The truth isn’t rude.

Actions speak louder than words.

CoreyD said:

Let me show you.
I'll highlight the faulty reasoning.

First, there is no noun 'free will', being mentioned in this thread... except by the user @childeye 2.

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CoreyD said:

The Bible says Adam was not deceived.
Thus Adam acted on his own free will.

The word “will” in “acted on his own free will” is grammatically a noun. It is the head of the noun phrase “his own free will”, which serves as the object of the preposition “on”.

By syntactic rule, verbs cannot function as prepositional objects, adjectives cannot serve as heads of noun phrases, and adverbs cannot be modified by adjectives like 'Free'. The structure --> determiner (his) + adjectives (own, free) + noun (will) — is a standard noun phrase. Therefore, “will” here is unambiguously a noun meaning volition or choice, not a verb, adjective, or adverb.

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This is at least the sixth or seventh time I told you this, but rather than respond to what I said, and showed you... namely...

The Greek word hekousios - meaning free will, is the neuter of a derivative from hekon; voluntariness -- willingly, which is (an adjective, a primitive term) – properly, willing; "unforced, of one's own will, voluntary" (J. Thayer), i.e. acting on one's own accord. The root (hek-) emphasizes intentional, deliberate action (choice), i.e. "of free-will" (J. Thayer).​

You keep responding to yourself, by putting up this strawman, and then attacking it.
Is that not ridiculously faulty?

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I don't know what strawman you are referring to. You posted the op, not me. The fault I see lies in conflating Greek morphology with English syntax. Hekousios is an adjective in Greek, meaning “voluntary.” In English, “free will” is a noun phrase: determiner (his) + adjectives (own, free) + noun (will). When you post a scriptural verse with a term that is an adjective meaning freewill/voluntary offering you seem to think it proves we have free wills meaning autonomous.

Prepositions like 'on' require a noun phrase as their object, so will here --> "Adam acted on his own free WILL", must be a noun. Translators often shift adjectives into nouns when the target language requires it (e.g., dikaios → righteousness). So the Greek root explains the meaning, but it doesn’t change the English grammar. That’s why your accusation doesn’t hold — the categories are being mixed.

CoreyD said:

If someone were talking to you about chalk, and referring to white chalk, would you keep talking about charcoal, and claim the person is talking about charcoal?
Seriously, would that not be faulty... to an extreme?

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Your chalk vs. charcoal analogy doesn’t work. Chalk and charcoal are two different substances.

But 'WILL' in English is one word with multiple grammatical functions. The question isn’t about confusing two unrelated things — it’s about identifying which function 'WILL' takes in a given sentence.

In “acted on his own free will”, the preposition 'on' requires a noun phrase, and free and will together forms exactly that. Adjectives can’t head prepositional objects, and verbs can’t be modified by adjectives like free. So unlike chalk vs. charcoal, where you’d be misidentifying the material, here the grammar itself dictates that will is a noun. The fault lies in conflating Greek adjective roots with English noun usage, NOT in my analysis.

CoreyD said:

Secondly, God is love, and everything God does is governed by love,, yet God chose to love his people freely - voluntarily.
So, the statement "it's my contention that Love fulfills the law and it is love that causes us to act responsibly and care about how our actions affect others, not our ability to volunteer or not volunteer" is extremely faulty because... well... I mean... look at it C.
I cannot even make sense of that.
Can you make sense of it, and break it down for us?

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First allow me to point out an error --> You said this: ... everything God does is governed by love,, yet God chose to love his people freely - voluntarily.

If God’s love were merely a voluntary choice, then His essence would be contingent. But Scripture says “God IS love.” Love is not something He sometimes chooses, it's His Eternal nature. Hosea’s “I will love them freely” means His love is sovereign and unmanipulated, not optional. To reduce God’s love to voluntariness is to deny His essence. And if that were true, God would not be God.
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CoreyD: I cannot even make sense of that. Can you make sense of it, and break it down for us?

Childeye 2 says --> "it's my contention that Love fulfills the law. <-- it means Without love we cannot Love God with all our hearts mind and strength, nor love our neighbor as ourselves....
and it is love that causes us to act responsibly <-- while free will philosophy is meant to imply a moral responsibility for our choices and actions because we could have chosen otherwise, it's actually brotherly Love that causes us to care about how our actions affect others, not our ability to volunteer or not volunteer or to choose otherwise.

The Spirit of Love precedes any action of love. Without Love, an action cannot truly be moral, because morality requires caring how our actions affect others. Voluntary is a neutral term. Voluntary may describe the manner of action, but love is the foundation. Without love, there is no morality --> only indifference. Moreover, wanting to volunteer requires a want. Voluntariness doesn’t stand alone, it’s always driven by some desire. If that desire is love, the act is moral. If it’s carnal selfishness, the act may be immoral. That shows voluntariness itself is morally empty; love or lack of love is what determines morality/immorality.

compassion​

noun​

com·pas·sion kəm-ˈpa-shən

: sympathetic consciousness of others' distress together with a desire to alleviate it.

CoreyD said:

The fact that a person is moved from a heart filled with love, to voluntarily, or willingly take a particular course, does not mean they have not acted willingly, and voluntarily.

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But that’s exactly my point: voluntariness is redundant. God/Love makes people willing to do what is good.
Philippians 2:13
For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure.

The moral foundation is love, not voluntariness. Free will adds nothing to the explanation that it’s love that precedes and determines whether the action is moral or immoral. Voluntariness only describes the act after love has already moved the person to volunteer.

I don’t accept the false premise that free will simply means voluntariness. Voluntariness describes the manner of an act, but free will is about autonomy, the supposed ability to do otherwise. My point is that morality doesn’t depend on either. Love precedes and determines whether an action is moral. Without love, voluntariness and free will are both redundant.

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They have done so, because it was their choice to... just as a person is moved from a heart that is lacking love, to rebel against God... like Adam did, as well as the angel that became Satan, and mankind today, who want to go their own way, and fulfill their sinful desires.
In both cases, they acted willingly... deliberately... voluntarily - of their own free will.

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Children of God are led by the Spirit of Truth. Children of the devil are led by lies. That distinction itself denies voluntariness as the foundation of morality, because truth is knowledge, not an option.

We need terms like Truth and faith to cleanse the mind.

Why “Truth and faith” matter​

• Truth: knowledge revealed by God, not an option or decision. It denies voluntariness as the foundation of morality.
• Faith: trust in God’s Spirit of Truth. It is the posture of dependence, not autonomous choice.
• Together, they cleanse the mind — they reframe the discussion away from voluntariness and toward divine reality.

See here: The children of God are led by The Spirit of Truth according to faith:

Romans 8:14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.​

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John 3:21 — “He that does truth comes to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.” → Works are wrought in God, not chosen voluntarily.​

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John 8:32 — “You shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.” → Freedom comes from knowing truth, not from voluntariness.​

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Romans 8:4 — “…that the righteous requirement of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.” → Fulfillment of the law comes only by being led by the Spirit of Truth, not by voluntariness.​

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John 16:13 — “When He, the Spirit of truth, is come, He will guide you into all truth.” → The Spirit of Truth guides, not voluntariness.​

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CoreyD said:

It's not an "ability to volunteer".
Something done voluntarily, willingly, unforced, of one's own accord, or of free will, is a deliberate action - an "exercise of will (verb), done freely", which is part of a decision making process, or choice. The root (hek-) of hekousios emphasizes intentional, deliberate action

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I don't know why you're bringing this up. I have never denied the meaning of hekousios. “Yes, hekousios means deliberate, voluntary action. But Scripture shows that even deliberate acts can be sinful if they reject truth (Hebrews 10:26). The decisive issue is not voluntariness but truth. Truth is knowledge, not an option and only those led by the Spirit of Truth fulfill the law (Romans 8:4, John 16:13). Voluntariness adds nothing once truth and love and faith are admitted as the cause.”

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We are not talking about being able to volunteer, as if we need an able-bodied person to do some work. Or offer up a ram.
The Hebrew expression nedabah (נְדָבָה) is rendered freewill offering, freely, plentiful, voluntary, offering, willingly, offering. (Strong's Exhaustive Concordance)
This Hebrew word comes from the Hebrew word nadab, of which Topical Lexicon says...
The verb נָדַב consistently underlines a movement of the heart that is neither coerced nor merely dutiful.

Voluntary offerings were made by "every one whose heart stirred him up, and every one whom his spirit made willing, and they brought the LORD’S offering... Exodus 35:21
Exodus 35:26 And all the women whose heart stirred them up in wisdom spun goats’ hair.
Exodus 35:29 The children of Israel brought a willing offering unto the LORD, every man and woman, whose heart made them willing to bring for all manner of work, which the LORD had commanded to be made by the hand of Moses.

So, it's no mistake I am making. Your reasoning is faulty.... to such an extreme, it doesn't even make sense when read... and I had to read it a number of times before I could decide on a response.

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I don't know why you think my reasoning is faulty. Do You understand that voluntariness is morally neutral? Do you think I'm saying God's Love is working in people who are unwilling to love?

You cite nedabah/nadab, which literally refers to voluntary offerings --> rams, goats’ hair, and other work in Exodus 35. Yet you say we’re not talking about volunteering or offering up a ram. The offerings in Exodus were for building the Tabernacle and its furnishings, consecrated to God’s dwelling among Israel. They were voluntary in manner of giving but mandatory in purpose, showing that voluntariness is descriptive, while truth, love, and faith are the foundation of righteousness.

In Exodus 35:21, the offerings are called “willing” because the heart and spirit were stirred -->The people in Exodus 35 acted out of faith, not because people sat down to freely deliberate whether to be stirred or not.
In Hebrews 10:26, “willful sin” shows voluntariness can describe rebellion too. That proves voluntariness is morally neutral.
Scripture consistently grounds righteousness in truth, love, and faith through the Spirit of Truth (Romans 8:4; John 16:13), not in voluntariness.

RileyG said:

I only mentioned him based on a website I seen from an ex-trans person. This website is very critical of gender ideology based on her own research and lived experience.

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So a biased source. Got it.

See, I went right to the person herself, and she tells a different story. Gee, I wonder which one knows Jazz better?

RileyG said:

If anything, with regards to Jennings, his mother is the one calling the shots. I don’t want to derail this thread, but I very much see him as a victim of narcissistic abuse.

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Then maybe you should listen to her, let her speak for herself.

RileyG said:

From everything I’ve seen, it’s beyond disturbing.

And no, I will never call a male a “she,” no matter how much he screams and demands.

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Hey, you have the right to be as rude and dismissive of other people as you like.

-- A2SG, and as we move into December, this subject may come up again when some strident religious types complain about stores wishing them a Happy Holiday....

Stopped_lurking said:

Yeah, but until we live utopia, we have politics and legislation.

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Regardless, it has nothing to do with education so it doesn’t need to be discussed in schools.

Stopped_lurking said:

If you don't agree with using affirmative care as their therapeutic solution, what therapy should they be offered?

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What’s wrong with talk therapy and SSRI’s? Or even DBT/radical acceptance?

A2SG said:

As I've said, I've never heard of any such cases. Ever. And I am extremely dubious of that claim. So feel free to provide documentation if you can, and I'll consider it.

-- A2SG, but if your information comes from the same source as your information on Jazz Jennings, well, let's just say it doesn't look promising....

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There is. It’s happening. I cannot post the link, but it’s very common. Especially among many girls who now transition because they had a friend that did (peer pressure) or a controlling mother.

I only wish Jennings the best. No young boy deserves to go through what he did. It’s sickening.

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Seems she disagrees with your assessment.

From her Facebook page:​

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My story is valid. My identity is real. And my family has been by my side every step of the way

It’s heartbreaking to see people try to rewrite my journey, turning my truth into a false narrative of abuse and confusion. But let me be clear: gender is not binary, and all identities are valid.The constant attempts to erase trans people while simultaneously trying to define our experiences for us are beyond exhausting. Our existence should never be questioned, yet here we are facing a world that continues to debate our right to simply be.No matter what policies or opinions say, I know who I am. And I will always stand proud with my community and family by my side.

I know times are tough for so many right now, but we must stick together and stay true to our authentic selves. If you call yourself an ally, now is the time to show up—loudly, proudly, and unwaveringly. We need you. Much love, and stay strong

#transgender #iamjazz​

I have no idea where you got your information, but perhaps getting that from other people isn't the best strategy. Just sayin'.

I'm sure she has other issues (who doesn't?), but being trans doesn't seem to be the root of them, according to her.

-- A2SG, and who would know better?

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I only mentioned him based on a website I seen from an ex-trans person. This website is very critical of gender ideology based on her own research and lived experience.

If anything, with regards to Jennings, his mother is the one calling the shots. I don’t want to derail this thread, but I very much see him as a victim of narcissistic abuse.

From everything I’ve seen, it’s beyond disturbing.

And no, I will never call a male a “she,” no matter how much he screams and demands.

iluvatar5150 said:

If he didn't bring inflation down, then he didn't reduce costs. If he did bring inflation down from what it otherwise would've been, I think it's fair to say that he reduced costs.

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We'll see what happens if he brings it below Bidens last rates if you are genuine or not. Democrats sure didn't seem thar way before. Remember egg prices? Now that inflation is lower I don't see people saying he brought the cost of eggs down. In March Democrats were still complaining how he hasn't brought prices down when the rate was 2.5%. So pardon me it'll I'm skeptical.

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I can't get the idea?

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No you can't.

RileyG said:

Literally. There’s plenty of cases. Search at your own discretion. It’s beyond depressing.

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As I've said, I've never heard of any such cases. Ever. And I am extremely dubious of that claim. So feel free to provide documentation if you can, and I'll consider it.

-- A2SG, but if your information comes from the same source as your information on Jazz Jennings, well, let's just say it doesn't look promising....

RileyG said:

Actually, it has happened in minors.

Jazz Jennings (real name Jaron Bloshinsky) received sex change surgery at age 17.

Now he is experiencing a binge eating disorder, multiple meltdowns, has no sexual function or arousal, and will never experience a normal sexual relationship because he was his parents “experiment.” His fertility, puberty, and health was exchanged for fame and fortune.

Shame on his parents!

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Seems she disagrees with your assessment.


I have no idea where you got your information, but perhaps getting that from other people isn't the best strategy. Just sayin'.

I'm sure she has other issues (who doesn't?), but being trans doesn't seem to be the root of them, according to her.

-- A2SG, and who would know better?