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Dave... · 2025-12-03T12:45:06-0600

Both these first two OT passages are speaking of being born again, but still a future event to be realized. Later in John it's called the Promise of the Father. The Holy Spirit.

OT-EZ 36:26-37 I will give you a new heart and put a new spirit within you; I will take the heart of stone out of your flesh and give you a heart of flesh. I will put My Spirit within you and cause you to walk in My statutes, and you will keep My judgments and do them.

OT-John 7:38-39 He who believes in Me, as the Scripture has said, out of his heart will flow rivers of living water. (born again)" But this He spoke concerning the Spirit, whom those believing in Him would receive; for the Holy Spirit was not yet given, because Jesus was not yet glorified.

OT-John 16:12-15 I still have many things to say to you, but you cannot bear them now. However, when He, the Spirit of truth, has come, He will guide you into all truth; for He will not speak on His own authority, but whatever He hears He will speak; and He will tell you things to come. He will glorify Me, for He will take of what is Mine and declare it to you. All things that the Father has are Mine. Therefore I said that He will take of Mine and declare it to you. (John 3:3 points to the same fulfilment, notice, they still cannot see).

OT-John 3:13-14 No one has ascended to heaven but He who came down from heaven, that is, the Son of Man who is in heaven. And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of Man be lifted up, (Jesus must first be glorified)

OT-John 15:26, 14:25-26

OT-14:14-20 And I will pray the Father, and He will give you another Helper, that He may abide with you forever-- the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it neither sees Him nor knows Him; but you know Him, for He dwells with you and will be in you. I will not leave you orphans; I will come to you. "A little while longer and the world will see Me no more, but you will see Me. Because I live, you will live also. At that day you will know that I am in My Father, and you in Me, and I in you.

Do you see it? Born again? A future promise. Aligned with the indwelling, that baptism with the Holy Spirit. The baptism that saves. See Romans 6:3-11, Gal 3:26-29, Col. 2:10-14, 1 Peter 3:21.

Jesus the prophesied baptizer by John the Baptist himself. Fulfilled at Pentecost.

CLEEB · 2025-12-03T12:45:01-0600

seeking.IAM said:
I am opposed to abortion for the majority of situations. I have never been in such a position but if I was, I would not willingly be party to abortion of a fetus I had fathered.

That said, I don't think 13-year-olds should be compelled to deliver their an move baby. I don't think rape victims should be compelled to deliver their rapist's baby. I don't think women should die if an abortion could save their lives. I think these are difficult decisions to be made by the persons involved and not by men in suits.

This is indeed a very difficult question. When answering it we cannot allow human emotion to be the only determining factor. Ask, is it right to murder the innocent over the sins of adults ? I believe abortion is murder. The fetus in the mother is not the mothers body, it is a new person developing in the mothers body. There are arguments brought by those who support abortion that the fetus is nothing more than a bunch of cells and is not truly alive. Well all people are a bunch of cells in or out of the womb. If something is alive it must take in food, excrete waste, can move, respond to external stimulation and undergo continuous cellular development. NASA has even lower standards to prove alien life. The only innocent person in the abortion is the fetus. Who knows what that aborted fetus could have been as an adult ? Here are some people whose mothers were encouraged by medical professionals to abort their child; Stephen Curry, Tim Tebow, Justin Bieber, Andrea Bocelli, Celine Dion, Oprah Winfrey, Pope John Paul II, Jack Nicholson, Cher, Brook Shields and Steve Jobs. Who knows how many that were aborted could have had a potential to do something great in their lives ? There is an old saying that two wrongs don’t make a right. It matters not if a woman and man is promiscuous, if it is incest or rape the only innocent party is the child. Abortion is making the innocent pay for what the guilty have done. Even the 6th commandment says thou shalt not do murder. Sin is something that touches more people than just the sinner and because we do not love our neighbor as ourselves leads to all manner of sin. Each one us will give an account to GOD for our choices we make in this life life so they had better be good ones.

Dave... · 2025-12-03T12:44:04-0600

What are the spiritual mechanics of being born again?

I'll give my thoughts on this matter and we'll go from there. Just for the record, if I'm speaking of baptism, it's the spiritual baptism that I'm speaking of unless otherwise noted. I'll tell you if I mean water baptism.

If you ask someone what being born is, they're likely to respond with something like the wind blows where it wills, all from John 3, etc. But I think the Bible does give us some insight and that insight helps tremendously in interpreting Scripture over all.

When we are placed into/immersed/baptized into Christ, we receive everything at once, all the ingredients to be saved. Thus we are complete "in Him" and lacking nothing (Col. 2:10-14). This is the Church, the Body, that the placing into, or the baptism with the Holy Spirit spiritually unites us with. By receiving the indwelling as a result of our faith, we are placed into Christ, becoming one with Him. Setting aside the legality of our salvation, that is, being saved/delivered from the penalty of sin, the focus in this thread will mainly be in our being saved/delivered from the power of sin. This is the practical side of being saved and is called being born again, which not only frees us from the power of sin, but also allows us to begin to be conformed to Christ likeness (Gal. 3:2-3).

Being born again is the result of being placed into Christ.

When the Bible speaks of our being raised up with Him, or raised up in Christ, it's speaking of our being born again. When it speaks of being crucified with Christ, dying with Him, that is the necessary death that must precede being raised up with Him. When we are placed into/immersed/baptized into Christ, we're also placed into/immersed/baptized into His death, and raised up with Him, thus we are born again.

These are verses that I believe are speaking of being born again, though they do not use the typical language. These are all speking of the Spirit baptism, known as the baptism with the Holy Spirit by Jesus.

Romans 6:3-11 Or do you not know that as many of us as were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into His death? Therefore we were buried with Him through baptism into death, that just as Christ was raised from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life. For if we have been united together in the likeness of His death, certainly we also shall be in the likeness of His resurrection, knowing this, that our old man was crucified with Him, that the body of sin might be done away with, that we should no longer be slaves of sin. For he who has died has been freed from sin. Now if we died with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with Him, knowing that Christ, having been raised from the dead, dies no more. Death no longer has dominion over Him. For the death that He died, He died to sin once for all; but the life that He lives, He lives to God. Likewise you also, reckon yourselves to be dead indeed to sin, but alive to God in Christ Jesus our Lord.

Col. 2:10-14 and you are complete in Him, who is the head of all principality and power. In Him you were also circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, by putting off the body of the sins of the flesh, by the circumcision of Christ, buried with Him in baptism, in which you also were raised with Him through faith in the working of God, who raised Him from the dead. And you, being dead in your trespasses and the uncircumcision of your flesh, He has made alive together with Him, having forgiven you all trespasses, having wiped out the handwriting of requirements that was against us, which was contrary to us. And He has taken it out of the way, having nailed it to the cross.

Gal. 2:20 I have been crucified with Christ; it is no longer I who live, but Christ lives in me; and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave Himself for me.

Gal. 3:2-3 This only I want to learn from you: Did you receive the Spirit (baptism with the Holy Spirit) by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith? Are you so foolish? Having begun in the Spirit, are you now being made perfect by the flesh? ---- *(added by me)*

26-27 For you are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus. For as many of you as were baptized (with the Holy Spirit) into Christ have put on Christ. ---- *(added by me)*

Ephesians 2:5-6 even when we were dead in trespasses, made us alive together with Christ (by grace you have been saved), and raised us up together, and made us sit together in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus,

1 Peter 3:21 There is also an antitype which now saves us--baptism (not the removal of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God), through the resurrection of Jesus Christ,

Being born again is simultaneous to being placed into Christ, also being placed into Jesus' death and raised up with Him.

The Bible tells us that we are saved/delivered through the resurrection of Jesus Christ. I believe this is saved/delivered both judicially and being born again. But when the Bible speaks of being 'raised up with Him', like Ephesians 2:6, I believe that it's specifically speaking of our being born again.

Do you recognize this Scripture of speaking of being born again? Is this a metaphor, or does this really happen spiritually when we receive the Holy Spirit.

Dave

Belk · 2025-12-03T12:43:50-0600

Servus said:
It sounded to me like you misinterpreted the term strongman to mean someone who tends to be fair and generous. Terms like strong as in virtuous, and strong willed, and strongman are not synonymous. Therefore it doesn't make any sense to compare the term strong as in virtuous to the term strongman just because they both contain the word "strong". Otherwise one might as well throw strong odor into the mix.

Huh. Well that is an interesting view, but that was not my point. My point is that being mediocre and being a strongman are not mutually exclusive. In point of fact I think they go hand in hand.

Hentenza · 2025-12-03T12:43:05-0600

Always in His Presence said:
Pulled from notes taken long ago - -

Often terms get used without full understanding of their meaning and use. The purpose is to explore what the term exegesis means.

Biblical exegesis (from the Greek ἐξήγησις, exēgēsis, meaning "leading out" or "explanation") is the critical interpretation and explanation of the text of the Bible using a systematic, disciplined methodology to determine the original intended meaning of the author as understood by the original audience.

Text-centered: It starts with the biblical text itself (usually in its original languages: Hebrew, Aramaic, and Greek) rather than imposing external ideas onto it.

Historical-grammatical method: The most common approach seeks to understand:

What the human author intended to communicate

The historical, cultural, and literary context

The grammatical and syntactic structure of the original languages

The genre of the literature (narrative, poetry, prophecy, epistle, allegorical, etc.)

Objective as possible: Aims to let the text speak for itself rather than reading assumptions or theological systems into it (contrast with eisegesis, which means "reading into" the text).

This is important because proper exegesis is centered and focused on the TEXT of the Scripture verses. Many times people get the two terms exegesis confused with eisegesis.

NOTE: The main reason why I do not use eisegesis is because it calls for "reading into", or reading in one own ideas or Religious agenda.

Proper exegesis includes:

Textual criticism – Establish the most accurate original wording.

Translation / linguistic analysis – Study the original languages (syntax, semantics, idioms).

Literary context – Examine the passage in its immediate context and the broader book.

Historical-cultural context – Research the time period, customs, geography, politics, etc.

Genre analysis – Identify the literary form and its conventions.

Theological analysis – Trace themes across Scripture (canonical context).

Application – Only after determining original meaning do responsible interpreters move to contemporary significance.

Good post thanks. It is a good reminder for those that claim context but don’t exegete the verses (it is always verses not just a verse).

Vambram · 2025-12-03T12:37:43-0600

FBI probes possible ties of National Guard shooter to shadowy group, a ‘catalyst’ for jihad

FBI investigates Tablighi Jamaat connections in Washington DC attack as Afghan veteran's radicalization path emerges through disturbing family phone calls.

www.foxnews.com

He appears to be connected to a terrorist group.

Lukaris · 2025-12-03T12:35:45-0600

Thanks be to God: Father, Son, & Holy Spirit. Our Lord Jesus Christ Who grants our faithful priests wisdom to witness to His holy word.

Proverbs 2:5-11

GoldenBoy89 · 2025-12-03T12:31:42-0600

essentialsaltes said:
There have also been some rumors that the 1 year mark will usher in some Cabinet changes.

This is only season one. Even Pence was thought to be in for the long haul until that little incident in January put him on the wrong side of things - the side of the law.

DaisyDay · 2025-12-03T12:30:47-0600

another_lost_guy said:
Doesn't. 3 dimes are still nearly worth a quarter.

No, almost means

almost(adv.)

Old English eallmæst "nearly all, for the most part," literally "mostly all;" see all + most. The modern form is from 15c. The original sense is now typically expressed by almost all; the sense of "very nearly, all but" is from c. 1200.

another_lost_guy said:
That can also be true. Buuuut it's still nearly worth a quarter

No, coinwise, three dimes will always be more than a quarter. You could argue that "almost" means "exceeds" but you would still be mistaken - buuut almost not.

Dave... · 2025-12-03T12:27:24-0600

Guojing said:
Not too sure about that procedure.

Because while the New Testament indeed began with the death of Christ, it does not follow that the New Covenant also began then.

It will be clearer if you read Hebrews 9 in the KJV, they differentiate between covenant and testament correctly.

And if you recall the Old covenant of Law, it started not when Moses was given the 10 commandments at Mount Sinai, it only started after the nation of Israel collectively agreed to fulfill the requirements at Exodus 24.

You quoted Pauline scripture in your posts but they are not referring to the Body of Christ under the New covenant.

Paul never said we are under Israel's new covenant, instead, he made it clear that those covenants belong to Israel (Romans 9:4).

Hey @Guojing

Technically, it's the same Covenant. We call them old and new to differentiate that one is in promise, and the other is a fulfillment of that promise. What changes is the way that the covenant has different administrations of the same Covenant. Ezekiel 36:25-27. The promise was made to Israel. It was fulfilled at Pentecost. It was in the Old Testament that the promises were made, and in the the New Testament that the Promises realized. Plus, there is Spiritual Israel, which, apart from Jesus Himself, didn't begin until Pentecost, when the first believers were placed into Christ. It's not cut and dry. There seems to be a lot of overlapping.

When the natural branches were broken off, who were they? If you say spiritual Israel, then they lost there salvation. If you say, physical Israel, then the Promise was made to physical Israel first. They were told that the Gentiles were grafted in to provoke them to jealousy. That they can be grafted back in if they repent and believe. Paul wanted this for his people.

I'm going to add a Kenneth Weust outline of Hebrews that I've posted before. I'll put it in the bible study section. It will be helpful for some people. It's good to see the whole book at once to understand the details.

Landon Caeli · 2025-12-03T12:24:06-0600

The Barbarian said:
Echinoderms, the two radially symmetrical examples you show, begin life as bilaterally symmetrical larva, and later become radially symmetrical. Number of radial segments vary, though. Interestingly, echinoderms and chordates are both deuterostomes,

Actually, the two radically symmetrical examples are not echinoderms, but are plants that live on land. The first is of the euphoria genus, which is more closely related to the poinsettia than it is to the plant that looks just like it, which is a kind of cacti from the astrophytum genus.

The two plants similar appearances are not connected genetically in any way.

....If you look at the pebbled surface of the ground, you see an environment where one species has successfully survived, and then a second species, later in time, develops similar traits based on a collective resonant memory shared by the two plants.

Christsfreeservant · 2025-12-03T12:22:09-0600

“Jesus said to them, ‘I am the bread of life; he who comes to Me will not hunger, and he who believes in Me will never thirst. But I said to you that you have seen Me, and yet do not believe. All that the Father gives Me will come to Me, and the one who comes to Me I will certainly not cast out. For I have come down from heaven, not to do My own will, but the will of Him who sent Me. This is the will of Him who sent Me, that of all that He has given Me I lose nothing, but raise it up on the last day. For this is the will of My Father, that everyone who beholds the Son and believes in Him will have eternal life, and I Myself will raise him up on the last day.’” (John 6:35-40 NASB1995)

Now, it is important that we read the words of Jesus here in the context of the whole of John, chapter 6, and in the context of his other teachings, and that we interpret his words from a biblical perspective and not from our own human understanding of what we think these words mean. For Jesus also talks about what it means to come to him in other passages of Scripture which give us a more full understanding of what he means.

“And He was saying to them all, ‘If anyone wishes to come after Me, he must deny himself, and take up his cross daily and follow Me. For whoever wishes to save his life will lose it, but whoever loses his life for My sake, he is the one who will save it. For what is a man profited if he gains the whole world, and loses or forfeits himself? For whoever is ashamed of Me and My words, the Son of Man will be ashamed of him when He comes in His glory, and the glory of the Father and of the holy angels.’” (Luke 9:23-26 NASB1995)

And when Jesus took up his cross it was to put our sins to death with him so that, by God-persuaded and God-gifted faith in him, we can now die to sin and live to God and to his righteousness in walks of obedience to his commands. He suffered to set us free from our bondage to sin, and we must suffer, as well, first in self-denial, and in dying to sin, and in following him in obedience to his commands, and then in being persecuted, as he was, for our faith in Jesus Christ, and because we live for him and no longer for self.

And what he makes clear to us in the whole of John, chapter 6, he also makes clear to us in Luke 9:23-26 and in Matthew 7:21-23. And that is that we cannot just make a profession of faith in Jesus Christ and then be guaranteed salvation from all sin and heaven as our eternal destiny. So, when he says here that the one who comes to him he will never cast out, he is speaking of all those persuaded of God as to his righteousness and holiness, and of their sinfulness, that they must die to sin and obey God.

“Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father who is in heaven will enter. Many will say to Me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name perform many miracles?’ And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness.’” (Matthew 7:21-23 NASB1995)

So, combine John 6:35-40 with Luke 9:23-26 and Matthew 7:21-23, and with the whole of John, chapter 6, and it will give you a much more clear picture of what it means to come to Jesus and to believe in him. For belief comes from God, it is authored and perfected by Jesus Christ, it is gifted to us by God, and it is persuaded of God as to his righteousness and holiness, and of our sinfulness, and of God’s requirements that we deny self, die to sin daily, and follow him in obedience to his commands. It is NOT of our flesh!

[Hebrews 12:1-2; Ephesians 2:8-10; John 1:12-13; John 6:44; Acts 26:18]

For all that the Father gives to the Son will be of God, by his design and purpose for our lives, according to his will. It will not be according to human will and purpose. And the Scriptures are very clear that we must die to sin and obey God or we don’t know God, we are not in fellowship with Christ, and we do not have eternal life with God. But for those who are dying to sin daily, who are walking in obedience to our Lord, by God-persuaded faith in him, we have salvation from sin and eternal life with God secured for us.

[Matthew 7:13-14,21-23; Luke 9:23-26; John 10:27-30; Acts 26:18; Romans 1:18-32; Romans 2:5-10; Romans 3:23; Romans 6:1-23; Romans 8:1-14; 1 Corinthians 10:1-22; Galatians 5:16-24; Ephesians 2:8-10; Ephesians 4:17-32; Ephesians 5:3-6; Titus 2:11-14; Hebrews 3:1-19; Hebrews 4:1-13; Hebrews 10:19-39; Hebrews 12:1-2; 1 Peter 2:24; 1 John 1:1-10; 1 John 2:3-6; 1 John 3:4-10; Revelation 2:1-29; Revelation 3:1-22]

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Based off Psalm 42:1

As the deer panteth for the water
So my soul longeth after You
You alone are my heart's desire
And I long to worship You

You alone are my strength, my shield
To You alone may my spirit yield
You alone are my heart's desire
And I long to worship You

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GoldenBoy89 · 2025-12-03T12:19:54-0600

Always in His Presence said:
or.... think of it as described in the executive order - a Secondary Title.

Executive orders aren’t law.

GoldenBoy89 · 2025-12-03T12:15:49-0600

Always in His Presence said:
It is December 3, 2025 and what was supposed to happen in the OP still has not.

How long will they hold onto a hope that just plainly is not happening.

From the guy who revived an almost 10 year old thread about Obamacare ending.

FreeinChrist · 2025-12-03T12:15:23-0600

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GoldenBoy89 · 2025-12-03T12:13:58-0600

Always in His Presence said:

Well, if there’s an official looking plaque on a wall then it must be official.

Wait… what’s that? It’s not officially called the Department of War?

Always in His Presence said:
Legal Status
The official name remains Department of Defense, but the executive order permits symbolic use of the older title in certain contexts.

Glad we could clear that up!

Dave... · 2025-12-03T12:09:39-0600

timf said:
The actual term "born again" which is what Nicodemus was supposed to have understood comes from Ezekiel.

Eze 36:25 Then will I sprinkle clean water upon you, and ye shall be clean: from all your filthiness, and from all your idols, will I cleanse you.
Eze 36:26 A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.
Eze 36:27 And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.

This was for the faithful remnant of Israel that would enter the earthly kingdom. While Christians could be called "regenerated" when receiving new and eternal life when placed into the body of Christ, it can be confusing to also call this being "born again".

Hey Tim

That's what born again is. When we are placed in Christ, we become spiritually one with Him. At that same placing into Him, we are also, in effect, placed into His death and resurrection, meaning we die with Him and are raised up with Him. This is born again. I'm, going to start a thread on that very topic.

I agree that the promise was made go all the way back in Ezekiel. The promise, The Holy Spirit indwelling, called the baptism with the Holy Spirit, resulting in being born again, was still future. We can see this same future promise still not fulfilled in John 7:38-39.

John 7:38-39 He who believes in Me, as the Scripture has said, out of his heart will flow rivers of living water." But this He spoke concerning the Spirit, whom those believing in Him would receive; for the Holy Spirit was not yet given, because Jesus was not yet glorified.

Compare that to EZ. 36:25-27. Also, vs. 27, should be capitol "S", as in Spirit, not spirit. The NKJV fixed that and use a capitol "S" when the Bible is speaking of the Holy Spirit, and a small "s" when speaking of our spirit.

Anyways, this was exactly Jesus' point in John 3. After explaining born again, Jesus says this in 3:14-15.... In other words, this must happen first....

John 3:14-15 No one has ascended to heaven but He who came down from heaven, that is, the Son of Man who is in heaven. And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of Man be lifted up, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have eternal life.

This all points to Pentecost and the baptism (placing into Christ) with the Holy Spirit [indwelling]. The reason Nicodemus didn't understand Jesus was because He was not born again. Nobody can be born again unless they are in Christ. Nobody can be placed in Christ without the Holy Spirit indwelling that places us in Christ. That indwelling was not available until Pentecost.

Here are some more verses to consider. John 12:32-33, 14:25-29, 15:26, 16:7, -->16:12-16 <-- This is why Nicodemus didn't understand.

Prophesied, Jesus is the baptizer, the Holy Spirit is the Agent of that baptism.

Unqualified · 2025-12-03T12:06:43-0600

I pray for a healing for this person, body, mind, spirit. I pray he would relate to the supernatural for help and go to the eternal for strength to continue and not to do anything rash. I pray he would look to you lord to recharge his batteries of resistance to his hopelessness. It is a fight, please look to God it’s not his fault. It’s meant to turn you to him in an intimate way. God has not left you, you need Him. Where God has provided, He will equip you for a fighting chance, for a purpose. Your suffering is not for nothing. Please help him see oh God. Please give him joy in trials and pleasure in afflictions. Turn him back to you. In Jesus Name.

Aryeh Jay · 2025-12-03T12:03:17-0600

The Secretary of Defense was investigated by what ever investigators were left at the Department of Defense after the Secretary of Defense fired a good portion of them and was found to have not done anything questionable.

Cut and dry! Take that Liberals! You got owned again!

FreeinChrist · 2025-12-03T11:57:15-0600

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