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"Don't Give up the Ship"

Is it even possible?

You can legally set a guilty criminal free or legally pass a death sentence to an innocent person.

You can also legally commit atrocities.

If you're asking if everything is possible legally, the answer is YES.

If you're an evil person wanting to do evil and you have lots of money/influence, you don't have to do things illegally to get what you want.
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Origin of Life

It's not science though.
It's science that we'll be discussing. Don't derail the thread.
You cannot demonstrate abiogenesis, no one has ever seen it occur, and it can't even be defined without vague terminology.
There are many things that can't be demonstrated. We can't demonstrate Colonel Mustard killing Professor Plum in the library with a lead pipe, so we look for evidence. And the definition of abiogenesis is quite straightforward. Just Google it. Then tell me if you understand the process of getting a sequence from the deck of cards.
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Death?

Trump accuses Democrats of 'seditious behavior, punishable by death,' for urging military to ignore illegal orders



As I watch the Ken Burns Documentary on the Revolution I reflect on where we are now and how fragile or American democratic dream is. Thrre have always been difficulties and challenges. How important it is to have a leader who can inspire the best in us, unify and lead by example.

Are the Jews Israel, or is the church Israel? Or does it depend on the context of the passage?

The Kingdom of God is not the Kingdom of Israel nor any other singular nation.

Seek you first the Kingdom of God.... Matthew 6:33.
Can you answer these simple questions?

1. The Bible says we (the redeemed of all nations and ethnic groups) have been grafted into 'an Israeli tree' (Romans 9-11). Is that an ethnic or spiritual tree?
2. The Bible says we who were once aliens from the "citizenship of Israel" have now been brought in through the blood of Christ to that privileged place (Ephesians 2). Is that ethnic or spiritual Israel?
3. The Bible says that Jew and Gentile alike, have now been graciously merged together into "the Israel of God" (Galatians 6:15-16). Is that ethnic or spiritual Israel?
4. The Bible says we are 'Jews' and we are "the circumcision" today (Romans 2:25-29; Philippians 3:3 and Colossians 2:11). Is that ethnic or spiritual Jews?
5. The Bible says we are "the children of Abraham" (Romans 4:11; 4:13-15; 4:16-18; 9:6-8; Galatians 3:7-9; 3:12-14; 3:16 and 3:26-29) today. Are we the ethnic or spiritual "children of Abraham"?
6. The Bible says we now reside and abide in "Jerusalem" and "Mount Zion" (Matthew 21:42-46; John 3:3; Romans 9:33; 11:26; Ephesians 1:3; Ephesians 2:4-6; Philippians 3:20; Hebrews 12:22 and 1 Peter 2:5-10). Is that natural physical earthly "Jerusalem" and "Mount Zion" or is that spiritual heavenly "Jerusalem" and "Mount Zion"?
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Are the Jews Israel, or is the church Israel? Or does it depend on the context of the passage?

The Kingdom of God is not the Kingdom of Israel nor any other singular nation.

Seek you first the Kingdom of God.... Matthew 6:33.
Who said it was?

Congrats on more avoidance. It sums up your position.
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Who then can be saved?

I have never read any of John Calvin's books, I'm too busy studying theology. In any case I'm sure Calvin, never claimed that God created some specific purpose of tormenting them in hell.
Um...Institutes of the Christian Religion is theology. What theology do you study-Jack Chick? Anyway, it appears you're again sure of what you don't know.
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Are the Jews Israel, or is the church Israel? Or does it depend on the context of the passage?

Can you answer these simple questions?

1. The Bible says we (the redeemed of all nations and ethnic groups) have been grafted into 'an Israeli tree' (Romans 9-11). Is that an ethnic or spiritual tree?
2. The Bible says we who were once aliens from the "citizenship of Israel" have now been brought in through the blood of Christ to that privileged place (Ephesians 2). Is that ethnic or spiritual Israel?
3. The Bible says that Jew and Gentile alike, have now been graciously merged together into "the Israel of God" (Galatians 6:15-16). Is that ethnic or spiritual Israel?
4. The Bible says we are 'Jews' and we are "the circumcision" today (Romans 2:25-29; Philippians 3:3 and Colossians 2:11). Is that ethnic or spiritual Jews?
5. The Bible says we are "the children of Abraham" (Romans 4:11; 4:13-15; 4:16-18; 9:6-8; Galatians 3:7-9; 3:12-14; 3:16 and 3:26-29) today. Are we the ethnic or spiritual "children of Abraham"?
6. The Bible says we now reside and abide in "Jerusalem" and "Mount Zion" (Matthew 21:42-46; John 3:3; Romans 9:33; 11:26; Ephesians 1:3; Ephesians 2:4-6; Philippians 3:20; Hebrews 12:22 and 1 Peter 2:5-10). Is that natural physical earthly "Jerusalem" and "Mount Zion" or is that spiritual heavenly "Jerusalem" and "Mount Zion"?
The Kingdom of God is not the Kingdom of Israel nor any other singular nation.

Seek you first the Kingdom of God.... Matthew 6:33.
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Who then can be saved?

I'm not sure which verse or chapter of 2 Tess you're referring to, but I already know that it doesn't mean what your trying to suggest it's saying.
I see. and that's called presumption-and is the reason you don't know the faith well. You don't know much about the historical foundations and theological legacy of the church, and apparently didn't bother to read the quote from Thess already given in post #552. How can you claim to know anything, or credibly and honestly respond to anyone's posts, if you don't even read them?
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Trump's history of acts of kindness and generosity

Obviously, I need Grok to cite its sources. But assuming that the list is correct, or at least partly correct, I'm glad he has done some kind things for people along the way. It's a side of his personality that he keeps pretty well hidden these days, but it's encouraging to think that there have been some generous actions in his life.
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Origin of Life

Would you say then, that a living [plant or] animal is a gestalt?

That is, it is greater than the sum of its parts?
No, it is the actual sum of it's parts. That's why there is no single definition. It's a combination of things that determine if something is alive.
As Kent pointed out, once you shut the blender off, you still need to introduce energy back into the equation.
We've gone through this. We all agree, including Hovind, that you can't simply mix the constituents and immediately get all the characteristics appearing (plugging them into the mains makes no difference). It's like Hoyle's metaphor of a tornado through a junkyard producing a 747. It ain't going to happen. So we'll ignore that and investigate how it could happen.

We need to go back to looking at dealing cards.
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The rise of menace as a mainstream political tool

Protesters arrested, officers injured in clash outside Chicago-area immigration facility


The office said the four officers were injured while trying to redirect protesters off a roadway and back behind a barrier. Two Broadview police officers and one Cook County Sheriff’s Police officer were taken to a hospital.
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