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He’s a citizen with a Real ID. ICE detained him anyway. Twice.

Questioning someone’s citizenship is not oppression. Instead of inciting anger against ICE and HSA, it time would be better served in explaining the constitution to citizens.
Raiding private businesses without probable cause can be oppression. The 4th amendment protects ALL against unreasonable searches.
Do you know how to handle police encounters?
I do.
You have the right to remain silent. If you talk to police, you waive that right. Instead of taking, show ID. If the officer does not believe you, argue in court, not with officer doing his job

Arguing and resisting arrest escalates the situation and gives the officer cause to subdue and detain you.

First rule of answering an officers questions is “I don’t have time to discuss my day.” You can say I am a citizen and show ID at this point but say nothing else. If he keeps asking questions, then ask, “Am I being detained or am I free to go?” If being detained, say I invoke the 5th amendment, then stay silent. Don’t answer any questions.
It is also important to say “I do not consent to any searches”

The officer will try to engage you in conversation with the goal to get you to waive your rights. I don’t care how justified you feel, arguing and resisting arrest crying racism does nothing to solve the problem. It gets resisting arrest and assaulting an officer charges added on.
This is irrelevant to our convo.
We live in a nation of laws. We can learn to navigate the law or get run over by the law
Constitutional rights are only effective if used properly and not waived. They can’t be invoked retroactively.
The 4th amendment should work the same way.
It is the best way in the world found so far to regulate law enforcement. Learn your rights and proper behavior for law enforcement encounters, and you will live peacefully. Raids and targeted enforcement happen because it works. Illegals who have no right to be here are being removed
Again, what does an illegal look like? Is the color of their skin sufficient probable cause?
Latino people are not the enemy and they are not being treated as such. There is a nationwide search for criminals. If you are not a criminal, learn your rights to protect yourself, or you can keep listening to left wing agitators that make the situation worse, and then the insurrection act will be invoked, and guess what happens then? No one will have any rights

Do you really think that attacking ICE is doing any good to advance Latino dignity?
I am not attacking ICE but I expect for them to work within the legal constitutional framework.
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Obama care collapsing.....

For those who forgot


During the 2008 presidential campaign, then-Senator Barack Obama promised that his health reform plan would “lower your premiums by up to $2,500 per family per year.” But since his signature law, the Affordable Care Act, went into effect, premiums have nearly tripled, and deductibles have more than doubled. The cost of coverage for a family of four has increased by more than $10,000. Here are some charts that illustrate the changes.

Rising prices and savings are not mutually exclusive. What you and your Forbes article fail to consider is what premiums look like now if the ACA hadn't passed.

I don't have that data, but you'd need it in order to make your argument.
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Is President Trump Corrupt? Three Stories.

How many business do you own? He has definitely owned more than the majority of people in congress and most of the former presidents.
So what?
I bet I had more hotwheels than he did?

The only way he could keep his businesses afloat was through shady and underhanded business dealings.
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CNN Dem Panelist Shocks Jennings with Major Admission on Lawfare Against Trump

CNN Dem Panelist Shocks Jennings with Major Admission on Lawfare Against Trump


A CNN segment unexpectedly took a turn on Thursday when Democratic strategist Lis Smith appeared to confirm that the prosecution of President Donald Trump in New York was part of the broader Democratic effort to resist his presidency and influence the 2024 election.​
“Like we resisted so hard between 2017 and 2024. We impeached the guy. Like, we prosecuted him. Convicted him of 34 felony counts. And guess what, he still got elected. I don’t know how much harder we can resist right now.”
Doesn't mean much.
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Obama care collapsing.....

You want me to believe - the Democratic Party - used a plan from heritage foundation, implemented it, not ONE Republican endorsed it or supported it and in your mind, it is the Republicans fault it is a failure.

--Always in His Presence-- hmmm.... pouring water on my leg and trying to convince me it is raining. you can't make this stuff up!
Look it up, check for yourself. The facts are there.

-- A2SG, at least one Republican endorsed it, and implemented it, here in Massachusetts....
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Vatican stops use of titles for Mary

From the link:

He explained that note was intended to help Catholics avoid either exaggerating or underrating the importance of devotion to Mary.​
“We care for the people’s faith without complicating it with issues that are not among the concerns of the vast majority and that add nothing essential to their love for Mary,” he added.​
He also called debates online defending Mary as “Co-Redemptrix” evidence of the “maximalism” the dicastery wants to avoid.
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Anti-Muslim Bigotry Directed at Mamdani

When I see what happens to Christians in Syria since the “Arab Spring” ( & centuries before) & know that a Syrian convert from Islam to Christianity still has to watch their back in America, I wonder.
And you wonder because Syria is PRETTY much like America?
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Why do people hate ICE...

Are they? Where does it say in scripture that a country should not enforce its border laws? Where does scripture say a country should let criminals go and there should be no consequences for violating a countries laws?

This has nothing to do with deporting people who are here illegally or crossing the border illegally.

This has to do with the church and those that belong to the church and what the church should be doing with its members. Its not a mandate that a one country shoild be responsible for another countries people.

This has nothing to do with a country enforcing its own laws. In fact justice would demand that the laws be enforced in a fair and impartial manner.

This is one of the most mis-used and misunderstood passages in scripture. At the time there were no border laws. Yet countries still had borders. In this particular passage the Hebrew word for the foreigner is rhe word "ger", which is a reference to someone who is not an Isreali, but a foreigner who has permission to be there. Those who are allowed to be there should be given the same courtesy the Israeli gets.

This is not a reference to those who come to the country without permission or those who are passing through.

Thos passage is not a condemnation of immigration or border laws. In fact the chapter talks about the Jews obtaining permission to be in Egypt which is another reference to borders.

Once again this is a reference to how we as believers should treat people in need as an individual. There is no command here for countries not have immigration law nor to have open borders nor does it
condemn nations who have and enforce border laws and remove people who have broken the countries.laws.

No where in scripture is there a command that governments should not have border laws nor enforce them. In fact Justice would demand they do enforce the laws they have.

I'm not the Bishops were out of line and are doing what many do. Misappropriation of the gospel. No where in the gospel does it teach that countries should not have immigration laws nor enforce them.

The family separation is a strawman meant to inflame emotions. Families.are separated all the time when a family member breaks the law. There arw many fathers, brothers ,sister, mother's who are in prison today who are separated from their families. For years. The difference is the families cannot go live with them. In the case of illegals, families certainly can go.be with the family member. In fact illegals are allowed to take their children with them if they want to. In prison today, mother's ir father's cannot bring the children with them.

Yet we dont see any emotional.outrage over that. Its emotional manipulation to satisfy a political belief. The belief being its okay to come and stay in America even if you are illegally here.

These Bishops are violating scripture and twisting it for political means.

Jesus did not mean that before a Christian give water to thirsty, Christian should verify legal status of the thirsty. When Jesus said give shelter to shelter less, jesus did not mean verify his immigration stratus before you welcome him to your home. When Jesus said take care the orphan, Jesus never meant that the orphan must be natural born citizen of your homeland.

The Bishops are correct about scripture, but those unwilling to listen often claim it has been distorted.
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CNN Dem Panelist Shocks Jennings with Major Admission on Lawfare Against Trump

CNN Dem Panelist Shocks Jennings with Major Admission on Lawfare Against Trump


A CNN segment unexpectedly took a turn on Thursday when Democratic strategist Lis Smith appeared to confirm that the prosecution of President Donald Trump in New York was part of the broader Democratic effort to resist his presidency and influence the 2024 election.​
“Like we resisted so hard between 2017 and 2024. We impeached the guy. Like, we prosecuted him. Convicted him of 34 felony counts. And guess what, he still got elected. I don’t know how much harder we can resist right now.”
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Obama care collapsing.....

Yeah, because President Obama championed it. But before that happened, Republicans championed the same basic idea, initially proposed by the Heritage Foundation.

-- A2SG, mandate and all....
You want me to believe - the Democratic Party - used a plan from heritage foundation, implemented it, not ONE Republican endorsed it or supported it and in your mind, it is the Republicans fault it is a failure.

--Always in His Presence-- hmmm.... pouring water on my leg and trying to convince me it is raining. you can't make this stuff up!
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B flat B♭

I don't quite understand flight routes but I do know that on a the flat earth map they should take the shortest rout but they don't, or do they ?

They know thw shape of the earth as proven with government documents.

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This fellow has never studied dynamics of motion in physics. All of the assumptions of a flat non-rotating earth are normal for preliminary study. It is the same with the study of acceleration and kinetic energy. You assume friction is zero and there is no drag from air flow around the objected. Then you refine your studies one step at a time. Everybody knows that zero friction is impossible and there is drag when moving through a fluid like air. For the calculations he was talking about, you would assume a flat earth so you would not have a difference in elevation between the points studied. You would assume the earth is not rotating for the same reason you can’t run faster west to east than you can east to west. It only makes a difference at pretty high altitudes, which modern aircraft take into account. Your little Piper single engine plane doesn’t worry about it, but a 747 might on a long flight. Anyhow, the video is deceptive and assumes the listener doesn’t know about physics and engineering.
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Obama care collapsing.....

Right because its so expensive.
Health insurance of any sort has been expensive since long before the ACA. It was expensive before we got RomneyCare in MA. Do you guys not remember that? I knew self-employed people paying $2-3k/mo for family plans in the early 2000's.
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No Mayor - you cannot control privately owned businesses - if they want to leave, they can.

Just taking one example from your list. There are over 300 Target stores in CA, more than 30 of them around LA alone. By contrast, that’s more than double the number of Targets in your entire state of Oklahoma.
I don't know how the Targets in CA are run, but the ones around here (in the suburbs, not the middle of the city) are awful. About 10 years ago, they were great, but maybe a year before covid, they started cutting staff and it's just been a disaster. The stores are messy, shelves are often empty, and lines routinely get 15-20 deep. It's bad enough that the WalMarts nearby are notably better.
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Why do people hate ICE...

Yes I am. And I am fully and completely an American. We came to America to become Americans and not to make America into where we came from.

I am glad that you were able to come to America and made something of yourself and became an America. I do not know you, but I assume you have left your land to pursue a better life, may be for financial opportunity or escape persecution, but whatever the reason it may be, you were able to escape your old life and come to America for a better future.

Your experience is possible because, since its founding, the United States has identified itself as a nation valuing freedom and bravery, welcoming immigrants from around the world. This has been part of the country's history from the outset. A statue at the nation's entrance embodies this tradition with its inscription.

“Give me your tired, your poor, Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, The wretched refuse of your teeming shore. Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me, I lift my lamp beside the golden door!”

Throughout American history, minority groups have opposed various waves of immigrants, from the Irish, Germans, and Scandinavians in the early 19th century to Italians, Poles, Russians, Chinese, Jews, and Cubans in later years. Despite this opposition, most Americans have welcomed immigrants, believing that embracing newcomers is central to America's identity and uniqueness. Your story is possible because of this tradition of acceptance.

Consider the potential outcomes had the minority group opposing both legal and illegal immigration to America been successful at the time of your arrival. How might this have affected you or your family?

You assert that you have become American; however, I respectfully question this claim. Embracing immigrants and diversity is a longstanding tradition in the United States, as reflected in the welcoming spirit described by "the huddled masses yearning to breathe free." Your perspective, which appears to support restricting immigration, does not align with these core American values. Such views resemble those found in countries less open to foreigners.
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"What’s the one Bible command that wrecked you—in the best possible way?"

Thank you, Robban, for your comment—much appreciated.
I hear you—obey can feel like threat, yet Jesus frames it as promise:
“If you love Me, you will keep My commands” (John 14:15).
Same Word, different posture: instruction for when all fails, command because He’s worthy, promise because He supplies the will and the power.

You have surely heard at times, "I was only following orders"
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Trump celebrated Thanksgiving with Epstein during his first term in office

Mar-a-Lago is a luxury resort, and many wealthy people spent Thanksgiving with Trump
there along with many others present. There is no bombshell revelation here for thinking people
who aren't suffering from Trump-Derangement-Syndrome. :D
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Wes Huff Responds to Claim the Bible Was ‘Compiled Hundreds of Years’ After Jesus by a ‘Pagan Emperor for Political Reasons’

It's believed that the Gospel of Matthew may have been created in 35AD by Matthew himself.

Five pieces of the gospel were found in the Library at Magdalen College at Oxford, according
to the authors of the book, "Eyewitness to Jesus," by Matthew d'Ancona and Carston Thiede
and are believed to be the actual gospel according to St Matthew.
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Trump’s Domestic Use of Military Set to Get Worse, Leaked DHS/DoD Memo Shows: LA "hasn't been perfect" but indicates what's coming "for years to come"

On to Raleigh

Federal agents to begin immigration operations in Raleigh, mayor says

"As the capital city, it is important to us that everyone who lives, works, plays, and learns in Raleigh feels safe," [Mayor] Cowell said. "We have been made aware that Customs and Border Protection are coming to Raleigh. While [the Raleigh Police Department] is not involved in immigration enforcement, we are committed to protecting our residents and to following the law."

"Above all, Raleigh is a safe city, with crime down year-over-year," Cowell continued. "Public safety is a priority for me and this City Council."
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