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He’s a citizen with a Real ID. ICE detained him anyway. Twice.

Insurrection and sedition are serious offenses, and we have come as close to those in the last year as any other time since the Civil War. For something that is well known to the public and has been done before, a lawsuit is the proper course for those who think it is un-Constitutional.
According to whom?
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"Don't Give up the Ship"

Do multiple violations of the Posse Comitatus Act count?

"Whoever, except in cases and under circumstances expressly authorized by the Constitution or Act of Congress, willfully uses any part of the Army, the Navy, the Marine Corps, the Air Force, or the Space Force as a posse comitatus or otherwise to execute the laws shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than two years, or both"


Or deployment of National Guard in violation of the terms of 10 U.S.C. § 12406 ?

Whenever--

(1) the United States, or any of the Commonwealths or possessions, is invaded or is in danger of invasion by a foreign nation;
(2) there is a rebellion or danger of a rebellion against the authority of the Government of the United States; or
(3) the President is unable with the regular forces to execute the laws of the United States;
the President may call into Federal service members and units of the National Guard of any State in such numbers as he considers necessary to repel the invasion, suppress the rebellion, or execute those laws. Orders for these purposes shall be issued through the governors of the States or, in the case of the District of Columbia, through the commanding general of the National Guard of the District of Columbia.

And where is this happening? Cite Court case if you would please.
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Berkeley Teacher Plots ‘War’ On Conservative Students: ‘By All Means Necessary’

"Typically." Trump is one of a kind, and when verbally attacked comes right back at them. That's no secret. The vast majority of violent rhetoric, the vast majority of attempts to silence and control those who disagree, and the vast majority of violent actions are coming from opponents of conservatives.
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"Don't Give up the Ship"

Is there a chance, just a slight chance, that their video was specifically intended for drawing this reaction of out him and the predictable "Truth Social Frenzy" that would undoubtedly go along with it?
I don’t think so because
They're needlessly going to provoke and paint a target on some peoples' backs
At this point the target is now on their backs.
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"Don't Give up the Ship"

Is there a chance, just a slight chance, that their video was specifically intended for drawing this reaction of out him and the predictable "Truth Social Frenzy" that would undoubtedly go along with it?

Obviously it was foolish for him to take the bait (and doesn't demonstrate level-headed leadership)

...but I'm not sure that we're living in the best time for "hey, lemme stir the pot just to rile up the other side so everyone can see how crazy they are"


That aside, is their video implying that every military member is qualified to make constitutional judgments for things that haven't even been officially decided by actual judges yet?


If the shoe was on the other foot, and another contentious issue was the focal point - guns.

If a bunch of republican congressmen made a montage video telling local police officers (who, like most servicemen, are not constitutional experts qualified to make some of these types of judgement calls) "Hey, you all swore an oath... the constitution clearly states that people have the right to bear arms, so if those governors in California and New York are trying to get you to enforce their gun control restrictions, you can, and in fact...have a duty to, refuse to enforce those, and if you see someone carrying a gun without permit, you can let them go"

Would that style of activism be well-received by the left half? (hint: no it wouldn't, because that actually happened in Oregon with Measure 114, where various state leaders in law enforcement agencies publicly declared that they were going to ignore it because they personally thought it was unconstitutional, and instructed their officers not to enforce it)


Here's how this little PR stunt they did actually plays out in the real world:
They're needlessly going to provoke and paint a target on some peoples' backs
And
Well-intentioned (but misguided) servicemen are going to get court marshalled and/or dishonorably discharged and lose their benefits


Interpreting whether or not an order from a commander-in-chief to the military is unconstitutional is rarely is something so simple and clear cut that a 19-23 year old kid can make an accurate on-the-spot judgment call.
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Why do people hate ICE...

Maybe they should stop lying about the citizens they shoot and/or arrest for protesting their actions.

Federal prosecutors drop charges against Marimar Martinez, woman shot by CBP agent in Chicago

In a statement on the decision to dismiss the charges, U.S. Attorney's office spokesman Joseph Fitzpatrick said in a statement that federal prosecutors are "constantly evaluating new facts and information relating to cases and investigations arising out of Operation Midway Blitz, the largest ever law enforcement surge in the Northern District of Illinois."

In a court filing, her attorneys pointed to body camera video they said shows the agent turned his wheel and caused the crash before he jumped out of the car and started shooting.

Meantime, federal prosecutors on Thursday also dismissed charges against 70-year-old U.S. Air Force veteran Dana Briggs, who was arrested in September during protests in Broadview.

He was initially charged with felony assaulting or resisting federal agents, but the charges were downgraded to a misdemeanor in October. All charges against him have now been dropped.
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SO HOW DO YOU KNOW YOU ARE SAVED ??

John 3:5
Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
12 If I have told you earthly things, and ye believe not, how shall ye believe, if I tell you of heavenly things?

Every person is born through a WATER SAC i.e. born of WATER.

And 1 John 4:7 applies to every person as well.

Therefore, love ALL neighbors. We'll be spending eternity with them all
And 1 John 5:18 says that whosoever is BORN. of God does NOT. SIN. !!

And in 1. John 1:8 says If we say. that we have no SIN WE DECIVE. OURSELFS and the TRUTH is nor in us !!

What says you and their is and ANSWER. and will you believe it ?? I say NO. as you seem. to entrenched in. WATER !!

Good luck. !!

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Origin of Life

And you don't have any.

None.

All you have is ... life.

So you ASSUME it came from whatever -- (not whomever, whatever) -- and inject that assumption into the equation.

In short, you have zero evidence it was a natural process.

And the fact that you can't demonstrate that process is telling.
I know that you don't believe the science. But your understanding of it is so catastrophically woeful that I thought you might have decided to find out about it so that you wouldn't be arguing from a position of ignorance.

Silly Bradskii. You're not the slightest bit interested. Unsubscribing...
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Trump’s Domestic Use of Military Set to Get Worse, Leaked DHS/DoD Memo Shows: LA "hasn't been perfect" but indicates what's coming "for years to come"

DOJ dismisses charges against 2 people accused of ramming vehicle of federal agents conducting Chicago immigration sweeps

U.S District Judge Georgia Alexakis dismissed the charges against Marimar Martinez and Anthony Ruiz after the Department of Justice abruptly requested her to do so.

The decision by the DOJ to dismiss the charges against Martinez and Ruiz came a day after a federal judge in Chicago ordered the government to turn over to the defense additional text messages by the CBP agents involved in the incident.

Alexakis dismissed the charges without [sic] prejudice, meaning the case cannot be brought back. [CBS says it was with prejudice.]

An October DHS statement said CBP agents opened fire on Martinez in self-defense, alleging she was "armed with a semi-automatic weapon" [it was in her purse and legal] and was driving one of three vehicles that "cornered" and rammed the CBP agents' vehicles.
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Origin of Life

And you don't have any.

None.

All you have is ... life.

So you ASSUME it came from whatever -- (not whomever, whatever) -- and inject that assumption into the equation.

In short, you have zero evidence it was a natural process.

And the fact that you can't demonstrate that process is telling.
Which is more believable
A. Life came from non life by random chance
B. God created life
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James Comey case: Ex-special counsel John Durham undercut case against James Comey in interview with prosecutors: Sources

Judge grills government over apparent lapses in Comey indictment

The case's prosecutor said the full grand jury didn't see the final indictment.

In reversal, DOJ says Comey indictment was reviewed by full grand jury

In a reversal from what the Department of Justice represented in court and in written filings Wednesday, federal prosecutors said Thursday that the full grand jury reviewed the indictment of former FBI Director James Comey.

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Why do people hate ICE...

“Secretary Neom unleashed ICE to deliver on the President’s mandate from the American people to remove criminal illegal aliens from our country.”
Yes, that lie that it was about 'removing criminals' and the 'worst of the worst' is a large part of what's motivating the anger.

And then there are the methods being used on noncriminals, legal residents, and citizens.
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Are the Jews Israel, or is the church Israel? Or does it depend on the context of the passage?

I'll take a shot at this one.

Questions 1-5
Both spiritual and ethnic.

Question 6
Spiritual
Oh! Really? We are now ethnic Israel? Wow! Never heard that before. Strange belief.
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Are the Jews Israel, or is the church Israel? Or does it depend on the context of the passage?

The text does not say that the good olive tree is Israel.

The good olive tree is people who believe God and are saved. Not any particular nation.
Paul gives us some interesting thoughts on it in Romans 11:17-24, speaking to the Roman Christians (who were overwhelmingly Gentiles): “thou, being a wild olive tree, wert graffed in among them, and with them, partakest of the root and fatness [or oiliness] of the olive tree. Boast not against the branches (Israel). But if thou boast, thou bearest not the root [Jesus], but the root [Jesus] thee. Thou wilt say then, The branches [Israel] were broken off, that I might be graffed in. Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear: For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee. Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off. And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be graffed in: for God is able to graff them in again. For if thou wert cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and wert graffed contrary to nature into a good olive tree: how much more shall these, which be the natural branches, be graffed into their own olive tree?”

Paul uses the image of “the olive tree” in Romans 11 to show that Gentiles have become part of true Israel. His olive tree analogy is deliberate and unambiguous. He takes this imagery from the prophets who likened Israel to an olive tree in Isaiah 5:7, Hosea 9:10 and 14:6-7.

This text very clearly and indisputably depicts the good olive tree as an Israeli tree. Speaking about Israelites, the texts speaks about “the natural branches” (Romans 11:21 and 24) being “graffed into “their own olive tree” (Romans 11:24). This is unquestionably an Israeli tree. There is no way it is merely an ethnic racial Israeli tree. Why would God graft us into an natural Christ-rejecting Israel? He would not! Such a thought would be ridiculous. We are grafted into believing Israel – true Isreal, the “remnant according to the election of grace” (Romans 11:5), “his people which he foreknew” (Romans 11:2), “the children of promise” (Galatians 4:28) or the “children … of the free (Galatians 4:31).”

Jews and Gentiles today are grafted into this spiritual Israeli tree by faith in Christ – who is ultimately true Israel. The New Testament Church today being one with Christ is therefore also true Israel. They have been integrated into believing Israel and have been enjoined to all the elect of the Old Testament era. As a prince they have indeed spiritual power with God and with men, and have prevailed. So, God does not have a separate plan for national Israel outside of the Church. Every Jew and Gentile who trusts in the Lord Jesus are God’s elect or faithful Israel.
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Chains of Bondage

THE LAW IS FULFILLED
“Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law. For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.” Romans 13:8–10 (KJV).

And everyone who has come into the new covenant knows that this does not mean freedom to practice sin, because God’s will is in our new nature, in our hearts. “We have the mind of Christ.” 1 Cor. 2:16.
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the myth of flat earth debunked again

I’m just curious, have you ever traveled all the way across Australia going east or west? If so what means of travel did you use and how long did it take?
Not sure of the relevance...but I just got back last week from driving from Sydney to Perth and back. Took 5 weeks, but that included a lot of stopping en route. Total distance driven: 10, 200km.
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What happens if someone dies before they became a believer, is it their fault?

Adam and Eve were created with sinless and had free will
But free will would eventually allow them to eventually make a self-indulgent choice. It was inevitable, just as telling a child 'hot' means nothing until they come to an understanding.
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