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Suspect Arrested In Connection With Attack On Alina Habba After Intense Manhunt

“Any violence or threats of violence against any federal officer will not be tolerated. Period. This is unfortunately becoming a trend as radicals continue to attack law enforcement agents around the country,” she wrote.

Sadly I expect more violence if they don't tone down the rhetoric.
Who is "they"? From what I can find there is no information on the motivation behind his actions.
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Morality without Absolute Morality

I might well have come to refer to myself as a Pyrrhonist if I'd ever encountered the term, but only having a ninth grade education high falutin philosophy terms are above my pay grade. So at this point, when called upon to do so, I just refer to myself as one of these three, a Christian, a Stoic, or a Solipsist, in that order. The last one being by far the least important. They each represent some aspect of who I am. To wit, my avatar is both a rather decent physical representation, and a brutally honest psychological/spiritual portrayal of who I am as a person.
Fair enough, I generally simply refer to myself as a (philosophical) skeptic given the unfamiliarity most have with the Pyrrhonic movement and its heritage in philosophy. I suppose the terms are not all that important, other than a possibility for confusion. Solipsism, for me, is far too heavily related to Matrix-style thought experiments for my tastes. I consider myself a Christian, a Eudomonist(virtue ethicist), and a skeptic. Though as with you, they are not of equal importance.
When the bible speaks of the least of these my children, it's referring to me.
Me, as well. And when it says I am the worst of sinners, that is also me.
My approach is to accept the pagan prophets for who and what they are, for I of all people have no right to judge someone in whose shoes I've never walked.
My aim is for the philosophies that hold folks captive, rather than a judgment on the individuals themselves. Though separating the two is often not possible in practice, so I operate as I feel led. Sometimes I am overly zealous, though, I must admit.
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Is purgatory a Biblical or extra biblical teaching?

Just because we do not have a preserved writing that directly speaks to a teaching prior to a certain point in time, that is not evidence that the belief was not in place prior to that.
Which is the basis for every cult teaching in existence - not calling anyone a cult.

The basis for a teaching to exists prior to a certain point in time - is the teaching being present.
We are indeed saved but only as through fire
What does being saved only as through fire mean to you?
Why have you not answered my question regarding Romans 10 - for a meaningful debate - BOTH sides have to engage in question and answer - please be so kind in answering my query please
If you leave this life and you are not perfected in holiness, not sure I would call it ‘jail’. But if you have not yet become “righteous made perfect” (Hebrews 12:23), God still has some work to do with you.
Rom 10:10 For with the heart one believes unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. 11 For the Scripture says, “Whoever believes on Him will not be put to shame.” 12 For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek, for the same Lord over all is rich to all who call upon Him. 13 For “whoever calls on the name of the Lord shall be saved.”
So say for example, Mr. X has held a grudge against his brother for many years due to a perceived wrong. Mr. X dies still holding that grudge. He hates his brother.

Do you really think Christ is going to say “Mr. X, you’re dead now so regardless of what sin you’re still attached to, heaven is open to you? Keep your grudge, hold on to your hatred because all the saved are welcome no matter what sin you bring with you?”

Or is Christ going to say we still have a little work to do don’t we? About that grudge….”
I don't deal with hypotheticals -

The concept of purgatory, at best, is theoretical and I'll explain why.

There is a term in theology - exegesis - it means

Exposition; explanation; especially, a critical explanation of a text or portion of Scripture
When a teaching or concept is not plainly shown it does not rise to an exegetical level. It requires suppositions, reasoning and possibilities. All of which is demonstrated in your last few posts. (Forgive me, I am not picking on you)

Go back to Hebrews -

Heb 9:26 He then would have had to suffer often since the foundation of the world; but now, once at the end of the ages, He has appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of Himself. 27 And as it is appointed for men to die once, but after this the judgment, 28 so Christ was offered once to bear the sins of many.
Why is the concept of purgatory not mentioned? It is a simply stated sentence. Men die once and after that judgement - period - end of sentence, but not of thought -

So Christ was offered once to bear the sins of many.
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Democrats finally vote to open Government

They had no choice but to oppose removal of the 60 vote mandate.
Simple yes or no question. Regardless of potential consequences, did they have the power to modify the requirements for cloture and approve this bill with no cooperation from the Democrats?
You obviously disagree, but I'm glad they stuck to the beliefs on this.
You right here are admitting they had the ability to address this.
They voted for the CR, which essentially was the same with slight modifications made in the House.
The amendments made to the CR were made in the Senate. That means that the House will then need to pass it again.
That bill could've been approved by Schumer and the Democrats then sent back to the House as it was.
If they had amended the bill, it would have been sent back to the House. The House that wasn't in session because Johnson had sent them home after passing the bill precisely to pressure the Democrats to approve the bill.
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Is engineering a ‘super’ human being a good idea?

the covid vaccine was a big experiment and they had to make everyone get it so there wouldn't be a control group.
The only statistically valid control groups were in the actual testing. However...
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Who go against odds like that?
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Gallup: Drop in U.S. Religiosity Among Largest in World

No. No. No. This is exactly what the Trump admin is doing.
Trump is just the Boomer's last gasp.
That would never work and China doesn't even have democracy so "Chinese Democracy" is a nonsensical phrase.
That's kind of his point with the term.
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Trump’s Name Chanted in Israel AND Gaza After Peace Deal: ‘Nobel Prize to Trump!’

I don't think that 'more peaceful' really conveys the situation. I can't imagine people who are walking over the rubble which has buried their family and friends saying to each other 'Gee, isn't it a lot more peaceful these days...'
Maybe I should have said less dangerous instead?
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Do the Ten Commandments still apply under the new covenant today?

When the bible speaks of laws we no longer have to keep, it is speaking of the animal sacrificial laws and Priesthood laws. These animal sacrificial laws were a school master pointing us to the fact that Jesus would be sacrificed for our sins. Since Jesus died we are no longer under a school master, (required to offer up bulls and goats for our sins).

Now we must believe (have faith) Jesus died for us (Hebrews 10:4,9-10) 4 For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins. 9 then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second. 10 By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.

This doesn't mean we don't have to obey God's moral laws of conduct. That would be like a man getting paroled from prison and then ignoring the same laws that sent him to prison in the first place. Jesus only died once, so if we willingly break God's law, after accepting Jesus, our reward will be eternal damnation (Hebrews 10:26-27) 26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, 27 but a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries. 11 And every priest standeth daily ministering and offering oftentimes the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins: 12 but this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God; 13 from henceforth expecting till his enemies be made his footstool. 14 For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.

The point that is not understood is that we all have sin, but until Jesus came, there was no way of getting out from under your sins. So God institute a Priesthood and laws that went with the priesthood to control the sinning, and so the Lord use animal Sacrificial laws, even though it could not remove sins.

When Jesus died on the cross that was the end of the first covenant, which consisted of the blood of animals and the keeping of God’s commandments. And his death also brought in the second covenant, which consist of the blood of Jesus and the keeping of God’s commandments.

Let us avoid this at all costs, seeking a better reward. Jesus will return real soon And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be. (Revelation 22:12).
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SO HOW DO YOU KNOW YOU ARE SAVED ??

1 John 3:22 And whatever we ask we receive from Him, because we keep His commandments and do those things that are pleasing in His sight. 23 And this is His commandment: that we should believe on the name of His Son Jesus Christ and love one another, as He gave us commandment. NKJV

Love one another in verse 23 is not love our neighbor. We do not have to keep any New Testament law to be saved.

John 13:34 A new commandment I give to you, that you love one another; as I have loved you, that you also love one another. 35 By this all will know that you are My disciples, if you have love for one another." NKJV

Above is the second commandment in 1John 3:23. We are to love other Christians as Jesus loved us. As you can read verse 35 states by this all will know that you are my disciples, both the one loving and the one loved are disciples

Leviticus 19:18 You shall not take vengeance, nor bear any grudge against the children of your people, but you shall love your neighbor as yourself: I am the Lord. NKJV

Above is the OT law to love your neighbor as you love yourself. If we love Jesus, we will keep this one. If we don't keep it we will not be in the Spirit, and the Father will discipline us. We will not lose salvation.

Doesn't your church teach the bible? Do you read the bible?
# 1 BE. //. GINOMAI. is the PRESENT TENSE. in. the PRESENT TENSE. in the IMPERATIVE CASE

# 2 YE FOLLOWERS. //. MIMETES. in. the NOMINATIVE CASE

#3. OF ME //. MOU. is a. PERSONAL. POSSESSETIVE. POSSIVE. in. the SINGULAR

# 4. EVEN AS //. KATHOS. is an. ADVERB

#5 I ALSO //. KAGO. is in. the. NOMINATIVE CASE in. the SINGULAR

# 6 ( AM. ). OF CHRIST //. CHRISTOS. in GENITIVE CASE in. the SINGULAR.

And we do preach GOD'S GOSPEL by Rom. 1:1 that says that. Paulv was SEPARATED. //. APHORIZO. which means

that c. Paul was bb. LIMITED. to only PREACH GOD'S. GOSPEL. !!

What Gospel does your church PREACH ??

AND what bible do you USE ??

Just what does your PREACHER preach. OSAS or maybe preach WATER BAPTISM or. teach TONGUES

or teach being. BORN AGAIN ????

dan p
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In the West Bank’s last Christian village, faith, fear and an uncertain future

If they're the drivers of MAGA it's just because there's more of them. In 2015 I intentionally talked politics with Arab immigrants at coffee hours after church, asking who people were planning on voting for. Two younger Arabs liked Rand Paul and Fiorina, but every older Arab was voting for Trump. No one was voting for a Democrat. My deacon from Syria voted for him and joked "If you don't see me after January, I didn't run off. You'll know I got deported".

I'm aware that some don't think we're real Christians, but I think those folks are a minority. Over the last five years we didn't have a church, and an SDA and then a Methodist church graciously let us borrow their space to have our services. (The SDA church worked out nice since, as I'm sure you know, they meet on Saturdays. :) )
Our Antiochian Orthodox parish going back to 1890s Syrian immigration , I believe, is probably majority democrat although we thankfully keep our faith free from politics. Personally, I am conservative and vote mostly republican ( including Trump ) or 3rd party. Our parish is also patriotic and 6 of its sons were killed in combat in WW 2.

Going back to 1990 Desert Shield, US involvement in the Middle East probably began the final phase in a death sentence for Middle Eastern Christians.
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Fewer international tourists are visiting the U.S. — economic losses could be ‘staggering,’ researchers estimate

I'm Canadian....sorry but you do need to do some homework.....The Canadian dollar has hovered around 73 cents USD in multiple different years, including 2004, 2015–2016, 2019–2020, and again in 2023–2025. In all other years that never stopped us from visiting in great numbers.
I forgot how weak and unstable the economy was.
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Is engineering a ‘super’ human being a good idea?

Vaccines don't "morph."
we will invent new ways to do what we're already doing, to fix the problems we already know about.
you'll easily have several options 100 years from now, take 200+immunizations over the first 15 years of your life, or a genetic upgrade for example. and it won't be the child making that choice.

there will be unforeseen consequences.

the covid vaccine was a big experiment and they had to make everyone get it so there wouldn't be a control group. we're now finding out the full extent of it and the current propaganda we're hearing is reduced cancer risk for people that got it.
well, what about the significantly increased misscarriage rate?

so there's a cost benifit trade off to everything.
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The ANE perspective on creation & am I fence sitting?

That kettle is diverse and has far more fish in it than the average modern Christian stomach can digest, I'm afraid. This is probably why only a few folks like you and me, and several others here, have much interest in ANE studies at all.

For some folks, what is found in the kettle can be .... scary.
Mhm...and sadly that attitude gives ammunition to skeptics who portray the most simplistic understanding as the normative one.

The scary element and discomfort that comes with the uncertainty involved in examining these questions with academic distance requires too much faith when faced with simple alternatives that just require playing Ostrich.
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