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How is the Economy Doing Right Now?

B) You quote Amazon layoffs as if Amazon is hurting. AI is allowing them to shed workers. Amazon is doing fine. Amazon is forecast to need 600,000 new workers in the next 8 years. OF COURSE, almost all of these jobs will be filled by robots.

Can you share a source for the 600,000 new workers over next 8 years Amazon forecast?
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What is the true congregation?

I'm not calvanist as I believe that our beliefs define where we go and although God knows who is his ahead of time since he knows the future, we still have free will to accept, deny or be influenced wrongly. It's the difference between believing in what Christ said will get you to heaven and altering that truth into something false and accepting that. Jehovah's Witnesses are another example due to the fact they believe Christ was created, is separate from the Father, and is of lower class than the Father and is Michael the Archangel. So I can confidently say, "All JW's aren't saved". That's what I mean.
Ok. Only God knows the heart.
Thanks for sharing !
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Trump celebrated Thanksgiving with Epstein during his first term in office

A bombshell revelation has reignited questions about Donald Trump’s relationship with Jeffrey Epstein — and this time, the timeline lands squarely in Trump’s first year as president.


According to newly released emails from Epstein’s estate, the disgraced financier told a friend he spent Thanksgiving 2017 with President Trump at Mar-a-Lago — Trump’s first Thanksgiving in office. The detail comes from a new batch of documents made public by Democrats on the House Oversight Committee, followed by the release of 20,000 additional records by their Republican counterparts.

What is the true congregation?

Thank you for sharing. I understand the Calvanist view point however, I do not share it.
Be blessed.
I'm not calvanist as I believe that our beliefs define where we go and although God knows who is his ahead of time since he knows the future, we still have free will to accept, deny or be influenced wrongly. It's the difference between believing in what Christ said will get you to heaven and altering that truth into something false and accepting that. Jehovah's Witnesses are another example due to the fact they believe Christ was created, is separate from the Father, and is of lower class than the Father and is Michael the Archangel. So I can confidently say, "All JW's aren't saved". That's what I mean.

Edit: If you leave being a JW, and accept God's truth and follow Him, then salvation is at the door. Just like if someone is a Muslim and turned and accepted Jesus, now salvation is open to them too but if you stay in the wrong doctrine that is literally preventing that salvation, then you will be condemned when you die.
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What is God’s ‘Kin-dom’?

Editorial comments:
  1. I most commonly hear this in reciting the Lord's Prayer. I find it the height of arrogance to think one has standing to edit the Lord's prayer or improve upon it.
  2. "Kin-dom" use is also often accompanied by avoidance of the use "He" in reference to God. Sometimes replaced with "She." I have heard "Kin-dom" explained as implying domination and the avoidance of male pronouns as being in deference to those who have been hurt by men.
  3. When I have worshipped in those circles, I find the term "kin-dom" cringe-worthy. :swoon:
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What is the true congregation?

If you preach that salvation is works based, both you and everyone else who agrees with that, is not apart of his flock, that is part of knowing their heart. So no, not within "all" denominations are his flock. There are denominations as a whole based on their teaching, that none will be saved due to it contradicting what scripture says about salvation.
Thank you for sharing. I understand the Calvanist view point however, I do not share it.
Be blessed.
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What we need is an economy that works for most Americans.....

???
I guess I don't understand.

REPUBLICANS
Almost every establishment office holder has been booted out In the last couple of decades, especially since Trump was first elected. How has this affected the leadership of the Republican Party. Are you saying that they will now see that realize that they don't have the support that they had before they kicked them all out.

I don't see it that way at all.

Trump and his MAGA team have almost absolute control of the party. There is no meaningful opposition within the party. As has it has been since the beginning, Trump has absolute control of the MAGA base come election time/

And what have the Republicans learned in recent elections.

1) In presidential elections, they have enough vote to win. They thought they won three times. Of course, they have only won two, In the last election, Trump won 100% of the swing states.

2) The Republicans have majorities in both the Senate and the House. Anyone running that they don't like, they remove through the primary process. OF COURSE, they are likely to lose the House in the off-elections. This is almost always the case. They are very likely to keep the Senate, a major win for so unpopular a president.

3) Anyone trying to get elected as a Republican will need Trump support. so all the candidates witll be MAGA.
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DEMOCRATS

1) The Democrats think they have the support of a majority of Americans and stand for them on the issues important to them. As long as this is the case, the Democrats have little chance to win a national election.

2) On a national basis, Democrats have also kicked out almost all their establishment moderates, leaving the far left and left to dominate what's left. Democrats do NOT have the basis to get a majority of electoral votes. Most Democrats think that they could win a national election in 2028 and no major steps need to be taken to rid itself of LOSING cultural issues and what step it needs learn to appeal to non-college degree voters

3) Democrats don't know what they stand for. There are a few who do, and a few governors who could lead. Of course, they will have almost no chance to win in the 2028 Democratic primaries.

BOTTOM LINE
There is a long time until 2028. There is little reason to believe that the Democratic Party of 2028 will have a ghost of a chance of winning the presidency unless we are in a recession. The Senate and House are always possible. The presidency is another matter. Some issues that Democrats need to get right
AFFORDABILITY
SAFETY IN OUR STREETS
CONTROL OF OUR BORDERS
REDUCTION IS DRUG TRAFFIC
and all the cultural issues such as sexual identity is schools and trans rights in our schools and on our sports teams
It's time for the Democrats to throw LGBTs under the bus and move forward on substantive issues. I'm sorry for those people but it really won't be any worse for them than back in the 50s and most of them survived that. Strategically, Democrats have to decouple the culture war left from the labor left and get down to business. The labor left is starting to coalesce around the Berniecrat faction; perhaps the best path is to abandon the Democratic Party altogether.
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The Final Experiment (Flat Earth Bites The Dust)

You said, "And the Bible says nothing about the shape of the earth." well your wrong, as clearly is does.

The earth takes shape like clay under a seal; its features stand out like those of a garment. Job 38:14
Did you read what Phil G just wrote about the context of Job 38:14? It's about the earth's appearance changing with the coming of the light of dawn, not the earth changing shape when dawn comes.
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Trump promises $2000 tariff dividend to all Americans

Liberals want universal basic income, but can't stand the idea of Trump giving citizens some money.

I remember the 2020/21 EIP stimulus cards totaling about $1800 iirc. I suppose liberals complained about that too.
A one time $2000 payment is not a universal basic income. If this will be a monthly payment then count me in, I’m onboard, thank you Mr President.

Somehow I doubt that’s what this is or that it’d have your support if it were permanent.
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Democrats finally vote to open Government

No the Republicans could not end the shutdown unless they went for the nuclear option in the senate.
So they could have done so.
They refused to go
that route because in the future if the Democrats won the Senate, they would then seek to stack the SCOTUS with 13 members,
most who are radically left in ideology.
It's not all or nothing. They could have amended the rule so that CRs could not be filibustered while still keeping it for most legislation. In fact they showed they knew that was a possibility by eliminating it for group confirmation votes.

Also, there has never been a serious effort to change the size of the Supreme Court, and if the Democrats ever wanted to institute a change that significant, they would simply override the filibuster themselves.
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What is the true congregation?

Only our Lord knows the heart . Within all these denominations are those who are in His Flock. Jesus Christ of Nazareth made it clear.
" For many are called but few are chosen".
If you preach that salvation is works based, both you and everyone else who agrees with that, is not apart of his flock, that is part of knowing their heart. So no, not within "all" denominations are his flock. There are denominations as a whole based on their teaching, that none will be saved due to it contradicting what scripture says about salvation.
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The Final Experiment (Flat Earth Bites The Dust)

It's flat & level.

Job 38:4-11
Where were you when I laid the foundations of the earth? Tell Me, if you have understanding. / Who fixed its measurements? Surely you know! Or who stretched a measuring line across it? / On what were its foundations set, or who laid its cornerstone.

You can't stretch a measuring line across a ball.
You can stretch a measuring line round a ball.
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What is the true congregation?

While I agree with you that there is 1 body of Christ and all who follow Jesus and his truth are within that, the problem is that there are teachings by other denominations that will not get people saved as they themselves aren't either. Just like Christ accused the Pharisees of leading people to damnation (Matthew 23:13, Matthew 23:15) there are groups of people doing the same. Which is why I don't subscribe to the idea that debating scripture is "dividing the body of Christ" when there are a lot of people who are false brothers based on their doctrine and technically then wouldn't be IN the body of Christ to begin with. So I think it's dangerous to consider every denomination as part of the body when for example, Mormons claim "Christianity" but clearly aren't in the body...
Only our Lord knows the heart . Within all these denominations are those who are in His Flock. Jesus Christ of Nazareth made it clear.
" For many are called but few are chosen".

The Final Experiment (Flat Earth Bites The Dust)

It's not a ball either, it is a level circle.

Isaiah 40:22
It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in:
Oh no, not again! God is said in that verse to sit upon the circle or circuit of the earth. You seem to want the verse to say: "It is He that sitteth upon the earth, and the earth is a circle." But it does not say that. It mentions the circle or circuit of the earth. That no more means "The earth is a circle" than "The Prime Minister of the UK" means "The UK is a Prime Minister," or "The driver of the bus" means "The bus is a driver." Once and for al, Isaiah 40:22 does NOT say "The earth is a circle."
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Who then can be saved?

You can believe in that god who failed in his attempt to save the whole world, but I believe in the God of the Bible who never fails to achieve His goals, because He is Almighty.
It you understood the gospel you'd know that God doesn't fail; He allows man to fail and that's why we have a place called hell. Hell is a choice, to remain separate from God with all that implies.
Our theology didn't come from a book, so you're dead wrong there. Our theology comes from 66 books, and yes we believe that Gods Word (the 66 books) trumps anything your guys with long beards and robes have to offer. I'll follow the Lord and you c an follow your guys.
The bible's not a book now? Beards? You're thinking of some other group I guess but either way I'll say you certainly like to argue, but ignorantly and unconvcingly. You assume I'm wroing. You haven't studied on your own enough to even know.
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So Jesus Christ Has First Place

I'm so sorry to hear about your struggles and I pray the mass is non-cancerous and road to recovery is short. But I want to play devils advocate for a second because I think it's important. As followers of Christ, our lives are his, correct? That means that no matter what happens, we are in his hands. The Lord never promised us healing in this life, he promised us life in the next. The Lord never promised us complete protection, he warned us that some will be tested even until death, but no matter what we go through, we are to praise Him. So if the answer from the doctors is the worst possible scenario, have faith in Gods goodness, no matter what the outcome is because we know our faith will be rewarded. Again though, I do pray for your healing and recovery, if the Lord wills it. :praying:
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What is God’s ‘Kin-dom’?

In some progressive circles of Christianity in the United States, the term "Kin-dom" has become increasingly used in recent decades as another name for "Kingdom," as in "God's Kin-dom" or "the Kin-dom of Jesus."

At the United Methodist Church General Conference held last year, for example, openly lesbian Bishop Karen Oliveto preached a sermon to delegates that referenced the phrase.

In an article published last month, Presbyterian News Service, the news outlet of the Presbyterian Church (USA), quoted a pastor who spoke of "standing on the kin-dom side of history."

But where does the term come from, and why was it created?

The first confirmed use of the term came from Catholic modernist theologian Ada Maria Isasi Diaz, a theological liberal who spoke of the concept in a 1996 book titled Mujerista Theology: A Theology for the Twenty-first Century.

The phrase has gained popularity among those who seek what they believe is a less patriarchal or imperial description of the Kingdom of God.

Continued below.
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First we must acknowledge that Jesus Christ of Nazareth is an unchangeable King with a Kingdom. Redefining the Kingdom of God as a flesh-driven need to change who the KING is amounts to a profound and egregious misunderstanding of who Jesus Christ of Nazareth is to His Flock.
If we fundamentally misunderstand the nature of our relationship with Him, how can we possibly begin to genuinely have one? He is not merely our kinsman; He is our King. He is not the created; He is our Creator. He most definitely has a Kingdom that is eternal and sovereign, and this reality simply cannot be denied.
Our primary calling is not to reshape the King to fit our desires, but to submit to the undeniable truth: He is the reigning Lord, and we are called to be His loyal subjects in the Kingdom that He alone defines.
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