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NxNW · 2025-09-17T21:20:55-0500

Chesterton said:
I applaud your modicum of effort, but what else did he say before and after that?

Do you expect anyone to believe you haven't seen the clip? It was all over the news when it happened, and has been recently too. But I'll let you put forth a modicum this time.

Jeff Bacon · 2025-09-17T21:20:00-0500

I find it absurd that a murderer gets to pick how they are executed. I think there should be a wheel they spin to see which method is used.

Akita Suggagaki · 2025-09-17T21:18:17-0500

Delvianna said:
The definition of mysticism that the bible is against is when you prioritize subjective, personal spiritual experiences and private revelations as a source of truth equal to or greater than the Bible.

Lets go with thst definition. I think the article refers to what happens when this sense of subjective personal experience opposes science. Flat Earth a good example. We just need the government to change, edit and delete science education and research.

Bradskii · 2025-09-17T21:18:09-0500

Chesterton said:
You said of Kirk's assassin that "He is one of the tiny percentage of people..."

Yes. An incredibly small amount of people who would resort to that level of violence. They don't represent any of us. Not you. Not me. No-one on this forum. To try to to divide people into two groups, to insist on an 'us and to them' is rarely a good idea in the first instance. To then try and include those who would kill for whatever reason as a representative of one side or the other is madness.

Yes, there are morons who dance on graves. On the right and the left. But don't make the mistake that mindless rhetoric is in any way comparative to actual violence. And don't think that for one moment that those morons from both sides of the politically divide represent the majority. They don't represent you or me.

Read these words about Kirk:

“We should all feel a deep sense of grief and outrage at the terrible violence that took place in Utah today. Charlie Kirk’s murder is sick and reprehensible, and our thoughts are with his family, children, and loved ones.

“I knew Charlie, and I admired his passion and commitment to debate. His senseless murder is a reminder of how important it is for all of us, across the political spectrum, to foster genuine discourse on issues that deeply affect us all without resorting to political violence.

“The best way to honor Charlie’s memory is to continue his work: engage with each other, across ideology, through spirited discourse. In a democracy, ideas are tested through words and good-faith debate — never through violence. Honest disagreement makes us stronger; violence only drives us further apart and corrodes the values at the heart of this nation.”

You might not know who said that. If you don't, then you certainly wouldn't be able to tell if he or she was on the right or the left of politics. And you couldn't tell because it doesn't have any bearing on what was said. It was actually Governor Newsom. He saw a moment when we needed to be brought together, not divided. That it was a time to highlight what we have in common as opposed to what separates us.

I will leave it to you to find comments from other politicians that don't do that. I don't want to get into an us v them situation...

Vambram · 2025-09-17T21:17:51-0500

Hans Blaster said:
You do realize jan 6th was one giant crime, right?

https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/GPO-J6-TRANSCRIPT-CTRL0000083775/pdf/GPO-J6-TRANSCRIPT-CTRL0000083775.pdf

You do realize that narrative in that link was published by members of the Democratic Party, right?

NxNW · 2025-09-17T21:16:53-0500

Chesterton said:
No, not when it's a matter of differing opinions, but when it's an actual safety issue.

Trump's lack of concern is a safety issue?

Chesterton said:
Yeah. Would you feel safe working around conservatives who applaud the murder of lefties and say more should be killed?

Conservatives have been saying that for years. One of my coworkers stated that he supported armed insurrection shortly before Jan6 happened, so I already know what it's like.

Vambram · 2025-09-17T21:16:31-0500

iluvatar5150 said:
I can't until the J6 Truthers give me the referral to their lobotomy surgeon.

I cannot wait until progressive left wing liberals realize that the majority of Americans have rejected leftists ideology.

Wolseley · 2025-09-17T21:16:07-0500

I have read the books about some of their higher-profile cases---The Amityville Horror; and The Haunting (dealing with the Smurl family case in Pennsylvania), and the cases of the Perron family in Rhode Island (made into the movie The Conjuring), the Snedeker house (made into the movie A Haunting in Connecticut), the Hodgson case in Enfield, London (made into the movie The Conjuring 2).

I didn't find anything in them to fit in with the attacks their critics have plastered them with; I think a lot of it is simply attacking anything of this sort by people who stubbornly refuse to accept that there's anything supernatural in the world, similar to the people who debunk UFO accounts or people who slam Creationists or Catastrophists because their views disagree with evolution and uniformitarianism.

There is a documentary out there called My Amityville Horror, released in 2012; Danny Lutz, the oldest son in the case, recounts his personal experiences in the house, and their aftermath; Lorraine Warren is also in the film. They both make a very, very convincing case for their truthfulness and sincerity, in my humble opinion. It's worth a watch, but be warned: Danny uses some pretty gritty language throughout the film. Nothing you wouldn't hear on a military base, but it's there, so just be aware if you decide to watch it.

Oompa Loompa · 2025-09-17T21:15:57-0500

RocksInMyHead said:
I mean, her stated intent is in the OP:

"There's free speech and then there's hate speech, and there is no place, especially now, especially after what happened to Charlie, in our society, [...] We will absolutely target you, go after you, if you are targeting anyone with hate speech -- and that's across the aisle,"

She walked it back after the backlash started, claiming that by "hate speech," she actually mean "violent threats," but I'm sure you'll agree those two terms have very distinct meanings - if "violent threats" is truly what she meant, one wonders why she didn't just say that in the first place. It remains to be seen what, if anything, the DOJ actually does, but just the fact that she said something like that out loud should disturb any American.

I dont believe in hate speech should be outlawed or banned because it opens the door down a slippery slope to banning other speech. So in this case, I do not agree with Bondi. Furthermore, what someone considers to be hateful is subjective to the individual. For heaven's sake, "All Lives Matter" is considered hate speech to some. But just because speech is legally protected, it doesnt mean it is morally right.

NBB · 2025-09-17T21:12:27-0500

RileyG said:
I meant the denomination as a whole. There’s Assemblies of God, Church of God in Christ, Church of God, Apostolic etc among many others. I don’t know if they form an inter communion or not.

I don't know about other places, but in here different 'pentecostal organizations' share some events, and people move from church to other church.

Chesterton · 2025-09-17T21:11:49-0500

iluvatar5150 said:
So the answer is yes. Cancel culture is okay when it's people you don't like. Got it.

No, not when it's a matter of differing opinions, but when it's an actual safety issue.

iluvatar5150 said:
lol what are you talking about? We're talking about Jimmy Kimmel, who didn't even say anything about Charlie Kirk. His comments were about Trump, Kash Patel, and the rest of the MAGAsphere.

I thought you asked a general question about cancel culture. I wasn't talking about Kimmel.

iluvatar5150 said:
uh... k?

Yeah. Would you feel safe working around conservatives who applaud the murder of lefties and say more should be killed?

The Barbarian · 2025-09-17T21:11:14-0500

Aldebaran said:
I looked it up.

Link? So far, no one who has told me this, has been able to substantiate it. You have any checkable examples? I'm not challenging your honesty, but the sites where I've seen this, never seem to be able to show that it's true. What do you have?

Lukaris · 2025-09-17T21:11:05-0500

Trump sent a letter to Polish President Navrocki; details have not been disclosed at this point.

Trump sent a letter to Polish President Nawrocki - Media | УНН

УНН News of the World ✎ Donald Trump sent a personal letter to Polish President Karol Nawrocki through the Polish embassy in Washington.

unn.ua

In another development, President Navrocki backs Trump’s efforts to cut off Russian oil.

Nawrocki urges NATO to ‘be ready for war,’ backs Trump oil ban push

Polish President Karol Nawrocki has called on NATO to “do everything to be ready for war,” arguing that military preparedness is the only path to peace, according to an interview with German tabloid Bild.

english.nv.ua

iluvatar5150 · 2025-09-17T21:10:46-0500

durangodawood said:
If you have a cute family you can just say anything and youre completely immune from scrutiny.

Probably explains why Trump catches so much flak. Ivanka and Tiffany can't make up for that kind of deficit.

Aldebaran said:
Scrutinize away! I've seen celebrations of his death, but not much scrutinizing of Kirk himself. Seems like there's not much about him that we can fault him for. If there was, it would have come out by now.

You must not read much outside of right-wing outlets.
I started a thread about scrutinizing Kirk himself. It's got some sources:

Charlie Kirk Didn’t Shy Away From Who He Was. We Shouldn’t, Either

A good take on things, IMO, from Jamelle Bouie: https://www.nytimes.com/2025/09/13/opinion/charlie-kirk-assassination.html?unlocked_article_code=1.lk8.vy8R.MrGjYMJUcbTn&smid=nytcore-ios-share&referringSource=articleShare There has been less agreement about Kirk’s life and work. Death tends to...

www.christianforums.com

Aldebaran said:
One only needs to observe the behavior and reasonings of those who brag that they're DEI hires and got to where they are by using affirmative action (reverse racism). One of them is now sitting as a justice on the SCOTUS and can't even define what a woman is, even though they supposedly are one.

Oh? Which justice brags about being a DEI hire? Can you provide a citation for that?

HARK! · 2025-09-17T21:10:19-0500

MOD HAT ON

MOD HAT OFF

The Barbarian · 2025-09-17T21:08:51-0500

This news — you know, the stuff that shows National Guard troops aren’t exactly happy to be expendable pieces in Trump revenge schemes — is unsurprising. No one signed up for this, but Donald Trump and a bunch of suck-ups scattered across a handful of red states have made Trump’s War on DC the new day-to-day operation for troops who’d probably rather be doing anything else than this.

And what exactly is “this?” Well, it’s all sorts of things. Some of “this” is standing idly by while law enforcement officers do law enforcement work. Some of “this” is sleeping on floors, defecating in Humvees, being the constant gardener you never wished to see in the world, and not knowing if you’re actually going to get your next paycheck, much less the pension you’ve been drilling for.

While previous reports of widespread discontent have been mostly hearsay contributed by anonymous troops and officers, this one comes straight from the US military. Yeah, the Department of War is just as sloppy as the guy running it — the one who decided it was okay to share war plans with family members and family members’ acquaintances.

The lede gets buried a bit in the Washington Post report by Alex Horton

Not for public consumption, however, is an internal “media roll up” that analyzes the tone of news stories and social media posts about the National Guard’s presence and activities in Washington.
[…]
“Trending videos show residents reacting with alarm and indignation,” a summary from Friday said. “One segment features a local [resident]describing the Guard’s presence as leveraging fear, not security — highlighting widespread discomfort with what many perceive as a show of force.”
A National Guard official acknowledged the documents are authentic but downplayed their sensitivity, saying the assessments are intended for internal use and were inadvertently emailed to The Post last week.

That’s the sort of unforced error that has been the calling card of the military under Pete Hegseth’s “leadership.” A guy who loves photo ops and fawning interviews more than he likes actually doing his job isn’t an anomaly in the Trump administration. It’s the other thing: emblematic.

See also: the final line in this WaPo paragraph.

It is unclear how many people mistakenly received the documents.

Article at:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2025/09/10/national-guard-trump-dc/

The bad news is that our troops are being used for political purposes, and they know and resent it. The good news is that the guys ordering this stuff are massively incompetent.

NxNW · 2025-09-17T21:07:03-0500

iluvatar5150 said:
lol what are you talking about? We're talking about Jimmy Kimmel, who didn't even say anything about Charlie Kirk. His comments were about Trump, Kash Patel, and the rest of the MAGAsphere.

You can watch the whole segment here:
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You think the truth matters here? The right has worked themselves into a lather over this, after declaring that all their multiple assassination attempts don't count.

NxNW · 2025-09-17T21:05:15-0500

Chesterton said:
Hilarious when someone's been punching you in the face for 10 years then when you finally throw a punch they scream "That's not fair! You can't do that!"

Yes, and the right is the one doing all the punching.

Chesterton said:
But this isn't simple disagreement, it's a public safety issue. I shouldn't have to work alongside a co-worker who might poison my coffee because I express a conservative opinion.

Nobody's saying otherwise. But conservative opinions seem to include being OK with assassinating the VP and Speaker, judging by how they vote. Why is the right so violent?

RileyG · 2025-09-17T21:04:55-0500

NBB said:
Problem is anyone can call themselves pentecostals, there is no organized institution.
Here this people have a bad name among pentecostals, they are known, for selling items, for you to get blessings, and asking for money etc.
Pentecostal, is just believing in the bible, gifts, and being filled with the Holy spirit, deliverance also.

I meant the denomination as a whole. There’s Assemblies of God, Church of God in Christ, Church of God, Apostolic etc among many others. I don’t know if they form an inter communion or not.

iluvatar5150 · 2025-09-17T21:03:52-0500

Chesterton said:
Hilarious when someone's been punching you in the face for 10 years then when you finally throw a punch they scream "That's not fair! You can't do that!"

So the answer is yes. Cancel culture is okay when it's people you don't like. Got it.

Chesterton said:
But this isn't simple disagreement, it's a public safety issue.

lol what are you talking about? We're talking about Jimmy Kimmel, who didn't even say anything about Charlie Kirk. His comments were about Trump, Kash Patel, and the rest of the MAGAsphere.

You can watch the whole segment here:
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Chesterton said:
I shouldn't have to work alongside a co-worker who might poison my coffee because I express a conservative opinion.

uh... k?

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