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Mark Quayle · 2025-12-02T09:30:41-0600

2PhiloVoid said:
I hope your salvation is genuine as well, because Christians shouldn't be making it an obsessive habit of constantly going around, poking other Christians in the eye and declaring that "...if you're not like me in following Calvin, you're on the WRONG path!!!..."

John Calvin doesn't save. Jesus does, and He was doing so well before Calvin ever came along. Don't forget that.

What is currently called Calvinism didn't start with Calvin.

samaus123456789 · 2025-12-02T09:28:01-0600

Yeh. As long as historical constraints are put on it too eg show me when this event took place ending 70 AD at the latest or it might run off into a futurist interpretation of OT prophecies when they are constrained to the time of the old covenant which ended 30-70 AD. Chat GPT replaced literally hundreds of hours research into history of different parts of the bible. It is amazing.

Oompa Loompa · 2025-12-02T09:26:00-0600

David Lamb said:
Seth was the son of Adam and Eve, not Cain's son. Cain is mentioned 17 times in the bible, and not once is there anything to suggest that he repented. Indeed, John in his first letter wrote:

“not as Cain who was of the wicked one and murdered his brother. And why did he murder him? Because his works were evil and his brother’s righteous.” (1Jo 3:12 NKJV)

My pardon. I misread the text. Silly me.

essentialsaltes · 2025-12-02T09:22:24-0600

Hans Blaster: Much of the best stuff "the West" has came from pre-Christian Rome and Greece or was revived from pre-Christian Rome and Greece during the Renaissance and Enlightenment.

stevevw said:
Are you kidding lol. Surely this is the view of someone who is not a Christian lol.

If Christianity came from say Roman philosophy and belief then why did the Romans persecute the Christians and want them to bow to their pagan gods. Why did their norms of sex outside marriage and for men to take lovers and prostitution ect conflict with Christian beliefs.

Hans didn't say that Christianity came from the ancient Greeks and Romans. He said the best of 'the West' did. Things like democracy, natural philosophy, law codes, religious pluralism, navigation, mathematics, architecture, aqueducts...

These great things are Western, but not fruits of Christianity.

samaus123456789 · 2025-12-02T09:21:29-0600

Here is something i found out using it in the past few days

To preface I believe Revelation 1-12 happened 70 AD but Rev 13-22 is future, and can show a lot more stuff from Rev 1-12 in context of 70 AD.

I asked chat GPT what Revelation 8 was in context of Judea 70 AD.

8 The second angel sounded his trumpet, and something like a huge mountain, all ablaze, was thrown into the sea. A third of the sea turned into blood, 9 a third of the living creatures in the sea died, and a third of the ships were destroyed.

And it references this. I copy pasted it from Josephus so it is real, and not imagined by chat GPT.

Josephus War of the Jews book 3 chapter 9

This took place 67 AD. Some Judeans went to Joppa in Judea, and built it up.

2. In the mean time there were gathered together as well such as had seditiously got out from among their enemies, as those that had escaped out of the demolished cities, which were in all a great number, and repaired Joppa, which had been left desolate by Cestius, that it might serve them for a place of refuge; and because the adjoining region had been laid waste in the war, and was not capable of supporting them, they determined to go off to sea. They also built themselves a great many piratical ships, and turned pirates upon the seas near to Syria, and Phenicia, and Egypt, and made those seas unnavigable to all men. Now as soon as Vespasian knew of their conspiracy, he sent both footmen and horsemen to Joppa, which was unguarded, in the night time; however, those that were in it perceived that they should be attacked, and were afraid of it; yet did they not endeavour to keep the Romans out, but fled to their ships, and lay at sea all night out of the reach of their darts.

3. Now Joppa is not naturally an haven, for it ends in a rough shore, where all the rest of it is straight, but the two ends bend towards each other, where there are deep precipices, and great stones that jet out into the sea, and where the chains wherewith Andromeda was bound have left their footsteps, which attest to the antiquity of that fable. But the north wind opposes and beats upon the shore, and dashes mighty waves against the rocks which receive them, and renders the haven more dangerous than the country they had deserted. Now as these people of Joppa were floating about in this sea, in the morning there fell a violent wind upon them; it is called by those that sail there, the black north wind, and there dashed their ships one against another, and dashed some of them against the rocks, and carried many of them by force, while they strove against the opposite waves, into the main sea; for the shore was so rocky, and had so many of the enemy upon it, that they were afraid to come to land; nay, the waves rose so very high, that they drowned them: nor was there any place whither they could fly, nor any way to save themselves, while they were thrust out of the sea, by the violence of the wind, if they staid where they were, and out of the city, by the violence of the Romans. And much lamentation there was when the ships were dashed against one another, and a terrible noise when they were broken to pieces; and some of the multitude that were in them were covered with waves, and so perished, and a great many were embarrassed with shipwrecks. But some of them thought that to die by their own swords was lighter than by the sea, and so they killed themselves, before they were drowned; although the greatest part of them were carried by the waves, and dashed to pieces against the abrupt parts of the rocks, insomuch that the sea was bloody a long way, and the maritime parts were full of dead bodies, for the Romans came upon those that were carried to the shore, and destroyed them; and the number of the bodies that were thus thrown out of the sea was four thousand, and two hundred. The Romans also took the city without opposition, and utterly demolished it.

Hawkins · 2025-12-02T09:19:50-0600

Hell is a natural and logical outcome. Any realm without God's direct influence is a "free world" where the most evil and the most powerful will eventually rule, whose name happens to be Satan. Earth actually is almost a hell (it's a wilderness), that's why Satan is referred to as "the god of this world". Once God's influence is withdrawn, that is after God saved all His sheep God's job is done, Earth will be a hell (turned to from a wilderness).

After the Final Judgment, the realm of the dead is a hell under the ruling of Satan, that's where the torment is. This realm of the dead is called a permanent separation from God (i.e., with zero influence from God). God cuts His knowledge about anything happened to this realm, as God is the god of living but not the god of the dead. The god of the dead is Satan, so whatever you want and demand shall go to Satan (he's the true god of his realm by then).

A fire hell is due to the inability of Satan as god of the realm of the dead. Satan is incapable of countering true natural disasters. Earth and this universe are not the true nature, as they are God-made. The true nature is filled with energy and fire. It's prophesied that the realm of the dead will eventually run into an eternal fire (which is the true nature), due to Satan's inability.

The raw concept of hell and the lake of fire are an original Jewish concept as explained by Josephus the Pharisee (and a historian). Jesus applied such a concept, it means the concept is endorsed and authenticated.

jonojim1337 · 2025-12-02T09:17:30-0600

Benaiah468 said:
Ephraim and Manasseh were the sons of Joseph,

which Asenath the daughter of Poti-pherah priest of On bare unto him. Gen 41:50

Asenath came from a wealthy Egyptian family. Her father Poti-pherah (‘he whom Ra gave’), was a priest of On, a centre of worship for the sun g-d Ra. It is precisely this descent from Ephraim that comes to the fore in Jeroboam, the son of Nebat, an Ephraimite from Zereda, and ultimately in the Ephraimites, the ten lost tribes, to this very day.

Yes, the video explains what forensic evidence tells us about Egyptian monarchs.

CLEEB · 2025-12-02T09:16:14-0600

The Ten Commandments are the tool GOD uses to condemn the world of sin unto death. Jesus came to save us from this condemnation. The sacrifice of Christ provides to the people that GOD calls and chooses mercy and forgiveness of our sins committed while under the law. What the law could not do GOD did through Jesus Christ. It is the ministry of the spirit that saves people, not the law, the ministry of death. GODS love in the Greek is “agape“ and is the highest type of love there is. This GODLY love is given to us by the Holy Spirit that empowers us to love as GOD and Jesus love. To love this way will fulfill any law because love does no harm. 1 Corinthians 13 describes GODLY love. The Holy Spirit in us begins to change our nature so that we take on the divine nature. The old person we were dies so the new creation, the new person may live. For a Christian the definition of sin is no longer the transgression of the law , it is, whatever is not of GODS love is sin. Sin is not loving. This love in us is GOD working in us, the works are GODS works in us, we do not work. We take a life long sabbath, our rest in Christ, the sabbath mentioned in Hebrews 4:9
The works of the law are our efforts to keep the Ten Commandments that only lead to death. The works of the two commandments Jesus gave are done in us by GOD. WE ARE GODS workmanship. This is not an easy thing for most to understand but with GOD all things are possible.

samaus123456789 · 2025-12-02T09:15:44-0600

Ask chat GPT to explain Daniel 11 ending at Antiochus 4, and it will do a great job. There are plenty of human written websites explaining this part of Dan 11 also. Now ask chat GPT to give a list of all rulers of Judea including Roman ones from 164 BC (the death of Antiochus 4) until 70 AD. Now ask it which one fits Daniel 11:36-45 best. It can not find an answer although some days it might give one person, and another day gives a different person. It was trained on every single public domain text which is every single piece of ancient Greco Roman literature, Assyrian, Babylon, Persian etc archaeology, all different bible versions, the dead sea scrolls (ask it about all the ancient texts it was trained on) , and yet it can not figure out who that last person is, and neither can any real humans with certainty. Dan 11:36-45 mentions Edom (Edomites fought with Judeans 70 AD, got killed, and that was the end of Edom), Moab, and Ammon (ceased to exist even earlier by 63 BC) therefore Dan 11 had to end before 70 AD. Dan 11 was written to Israelites which was a people with a religion based in Judah centered around a temple which ceased to exist 30-70 AD another reason it had to end by 70 AD. There is a long list of different people it could be but I can never be sure who it is.
Chat GPT is great for finding language patterns in the bible. You can paste a verse into then ask it find every single other bible verse that sounds like this, and it will. If using it for Judean research with something like Josephus or other Greco Roman writers it can make up quotes a lot so always double check sources. I have learned a lot from it over the past few days. Can say to it what is the internal timeline of x book in the bible or what is the internal claim to authorship of books of the OT. When dealing with a text that is ignorantly labelled pseudepigrapha just say to it assume the text is historical, and happened then ask it questions.

another_lost_guy · 2025-12-02T09:14:32-0600

NxNW said:
Show me the indictment and conviction. You must have her confused with Martha Stewart.

Alright so you've decided we are going to argue semantics here. Just know that if you want to remain consistent you no longer have the right to accuse Trump of insider trading with his crypto/DWAC grift (since he doesn't have an insider trading indictment or conviction). That's the fun part about having the integrity to call out wrongdoing wherever it may be. I myself as a Republican have the moral consistency hold him accountable for insider trading but you don't since you don't ALSO want to implicate Pelosi, lol

The Barbarian · 2025-12-02T09:11:41-0600

I was in St. Louis over the holiday. Right across the river, I found:

Church of the Holy Family, built in the late 1700s from logs used for a smaller church built in the 1600s. They have a Latin mass there on occasion. Next time I visit, I'm planning on attending.

Edit: I'm very old and a former altar boy. And a biologist. So I'm quite comforatble with it. I never attended a school that offered Latin, but I have enough that the Latin mass is perfectly comprehensible to me.

CoreyD · 2025-12-02T09:11:13-0600

Lost4words said:
Just search on google....plenty on there.....woof!

Lot's of interpretations are found there. I'd rather not. Thanks.

essentialsaltes · 2025-12-02T09:11:10-0600

essentialsaltes said:
Immigration judge fired by Trump administration files lawsuit claiming discrimination

Hot on the heels of the lawsuit, Trump fires 8 more immigration judges. Lazy ABC journos rework previous article to add the news.

Trump administration fires 8 immigration judges in New York City

It comes after a judge fired by the administration sued claiming discrimination.

The judges who were dismissed worked at 26 Federal Plaza.

The latest firings also come as the Department of Homeland Security is actively hiring "deportation judges."

another_lost_guy · 2025-12-02T09:10:41-0600

BCP1928 said:
What backtracking?

Mentioned it in the previous message

BCP1928 said:
I have no idea how she arrived at her stance on abortion and what role her faith played on it.

Ok so when it suits you you say "I believe AOC's policy positions reflect her faith in Christ" and when you're confronted with policy positions that are incompatible with Catholicism you backtrack and say "well I don't know how her faith ties into it". Do you see how slippery that is?

BCP1928 said:
I do see her faith at work on issues like immigration and social welfare.

Ok but neither of those are mortal sins

another_lost_guy · 2025-12-02T09:08:25-0600

BCP1928 said:
Win or lose what?

It's a figure of speech. You made a claim that is not provable or disprovable one way or the other so when someone gives you pushback you can just walk back what you said (which you eventually did). For example, when it suits you, you will say "Look, AOC's policy positions are based on her faith in Christ!" and then when it doesn't suit you, you will say "Well even if she enables mortal sin doesn't mean she actually supports mortal sin". So your original statement means nothing because your backtracking set yourself up for no losing position

BCP1928 said:
I'm not into the game of proving that AOC is not really a Christian because she's on the politica left.

Maybe so, but you are certainly in the game of proving AOC IS a Christian because she's on the political left.

BCP1928 · 2025-12-02T09:05:15-0600

another_lost_guy said:
Oh yeah by the way even if we ignore the ramifications of enabling mortal sin she doesn't just support legalization for the sake of legalization. She herself supports abortion morally so your backtracking doesn't even make any sense

What backtracking? I have no idea how she arrived at her stance on abortion and what role her faith played on it. I do see her faith at work on issues like immigration and social welfare.

The Barbarian · 2025-12-02T09:05:09-0600

It seems that a fault line is forming between traditional American conservatism and the sort of neofascism presented by people like Fuentes and Tucker. They would be nothing more than an embarrassing residue adhering to the edge of conservatism, were it not for the support of the WH.

durangodawood · 2025-12-02T09:04:49-0600

ThatRobGuy said:
Right, but as I noted, any school changing their ideological mission would likely suffer the same fate.

If BYU decided tomorrow "we're going to stop being a strict fundamentalist Mormon school, and be a liberal school like Berkeley", they'd have the same issues.

If a bunch of students went to BYU specifically because of the strong moron influence, and a focus on engineering, and they up and replaced everyone with liberal Berkeley professors and concentrated more money on the arts and humanities, the student attrition would be high, the GPAs would drop, etc...

That wouldn't necessarily be immediately chalked up to a failure of the new liberal professors, would it?

Im gonna go out on a limb highly doubt youve actually compared the current BYU and Berkeley in terms of where the money goes or what degrees students are taking on average.

I'll admit youre probably right that BYU is a bit more Mormon focused tho.

NxNW · 2025-12-02T09:04:30-0600

another_lost_guy said:
Come on now, North. Are we really going to argue semantics here? Even democrats agree Pelosi is corrupt when it comes to insider trading.

Show me the indictment and conviction. You must have her confused with Martha Stewart.

jonojim1337 · 2025-12-02T09:03:33-0600

Also

Chesster · 2025-12-02T09:02:27-0600

Heresy - I'll say. He didn't mention sauerkraut!

BCP1928 · 2025-12-02T09:01:11-0600

another_lost_guy said:
Ah so there was no win or lose condition for your statement to begin with. Gotcha

Win or lose what? I'm not into the game of proving that AOC is not really a Christian because she's on the politica left. I'm just amused that people like you seem to need to.

another_lost_guy · 2025-12-02T09:00:56-0600

BCP1928 said:
Perhaps she realizes that she is not in a position to make abortion a crime in a secular state for non-Cathlics who don't think its wrong. Making it a legal right does not make it less a sin.

Oh yeah by the way even if we ignore the ramifications of enabling mortal sin she doesn't just support legalization for the sake of legalization. She herself supports abortion morally so your backtracking doesn't even make any sense

Landon Caeli · 2025-12-02T08:57:20-0600

BCP1928 said:
It is good. It was the intention of the founders that individuals amongst "we the people" supply their own moral justification rather than rely on the state to do it.

Their 'own moral justification" can be applied to their own life, yes. To apply their 'own moral justification' into politics for everyone? No..!

Here, we are discussing AOC and Omar directing national policy, based on their religion. And you said "that's good".

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