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The NEA is pushing far left teaching upon children


The progressive left wing liberals really do want to indoctrinate your children against what parents believe.

What is the meaning of Total Depravity?

I"m sure you'll understand if I believe Jesus in Jn 8:34; i.e., man is a slave to sin. . .slaves to sin are not morally free.

I understand you’ve misconstrued what Jesus is recorded to have said.

John never used your unique phraseology of morally free.” Never mind that the phrase “morally free” is ambiguous as to meaning.

More importantly is you ignore the entire phrase of the verse. The Greek is those “who HABITUALLY/PRACTICES SIN are slaves to sin.”

Devoid of the facile exegesis of the text is any exploration as to what constitutes as “practice” and “habitually” sin as that renders one a “slave to sin.”

Regardless, Jesus’ carefully qualified comment doesn’t characterize those not “habitually/practices” sin as “slaves to sin.” It is sufficient that to “habitually/practices sin” renders one as a “slave to sin.”

Yet, John doesn’t attribute to Jesus as asserting the act of “habitually/practices sin” is coerced, forced, and not a product of free will, where free will is at least within the person’s power and ability to commit an action or refrain from it, without some external cause forcing, coercing, directly causing the action or refraining from the action.

Your reverse application of the word “slave” onto the preceding condition of “habitually/practices sin” to constitute as they MUST habitually/practice sin and have no freedom to choose to habitually sin/practice sin, is misplaced.

John is writing that Jesus said what is habitually done, practiced, makes them a slave. Jesus didn’t assert being a slave to sin makes one to habitually sin!!

By your apparent logic, a parall phrasing is everyone who habitually runs/practices in running is a slave to running such that being the slave makes them habitually run. But that isn’t what the phrase says but rather says if you habitually run, then you’re a slave to running, and not if you’re a slave to running, then you habitually run.

Next, you assume the Greek word for slave isn’t used metaphorically. Yet that assumption is equal to the opposing assumption the Greek word for slave is used metaphorically. All of this has ignores of course the entire sense in which free and not free meant in relation to the word “slave” then, while also ignoring whether the word “slave” was to chattel slavery or something else.

Chattel slaves lacked freedom in the sense paper commands, the law, treated them as property and they were required to obey their masters. Yet this paper designation doesn’t magically strip the human beings born with faculties to, guess what, freely make decisions. And one such freely exercised act in the ancient world was to violate the paper law, act contrary to their masters and runaway. Indeed, in Deuteronomy the slaves who freely didn’t obey their master and/or the law and freely ran away were not to be returned to their master. Instead, the runaway slave was free to live among the people and choose where to live.

“15 “You shall not hand over to his master a slave who has [l]escaped from his master to you. 16 He shall live with you in your midst, in the place that he chooses in one of your [m]towns where it pleases him; you shall not mistreat him.”

Well, if slaves can exercise that freedom contrary to their masters and law, then the word “slave” as some coercive force as you assume in this verse is a bankrupt interpretation and exegesis.

Simply, there’s no basis in the text, in the word placement, for your view this verse declares no free will. None.
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Sophie Turner warns assisted dying bill could lead to people with eating disorders taking their own lives even when they might be able to recover

We're praying in Church, for it not to become law, and I've written to my MP twice, urging him to vote against it. I know others have written too. There are some of us in England and Wales who see the dangers of it going ahead, including many medical personnel and disability groups.
continued prayers the UK does the right thing and protects the most vulnerable! :prayer:
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The Reality of Free Will

The ability to make a choice is free will. Adam by his own free will violated GODS command to not eat the forbidden fruit. If we humans were created in GODS image and GOD has free will then humans do too. This image cannot be flesh and blood because GOD is not flesh and blood, GOD is spirit and all humans have a spirit and GOD wants the spirits of just men made perfect. Our human spirit is our mind, sometimes called the heart, and all of our intelligence, memories and experiences are of the mind, the human spirit. Job 8:32 The breath of life is the spirit in us that animates the fleshly body to be a soul. When Adam disobeyed GOD then sin entered the world, it did not exist prior to that time. Satan then acquired the dominion GOD had given to Adam previously and now is the god of this world. Christ took that dominion back but has not yet returned to claim it. The human condition of sin, our sinful nature, is not how GOD originally created the first humans, it was acquired by disobeying GOD. Whoever you render yourself a servant to obey is who you will obey and humanity has obeyed their father the Devil and does his works. Our human spirits were defiled. Jesus confirmed this by saying, Mark 7:15-23 what part of us is saved in the day of the Lord Jesus ? 1 Corinthians 5:5 It is our spirits, the spirits of just human beings that are made perfect. Hebrews 12:23 This spiritual defilement can only be healed by the blood of Christ. We partake of the divine nature, the nature of GODS love, and over our lives come out of sin and into righteousness. This process begins at conversion but is completed in the day Jesus returns. Philippians 1:6
The ability to make a choice is not a desire. In scripture, the will means desire/want/intent.
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Do the Ten Commandments still apply under the new covenant today?

Sure, the blood in the new covenant is referring to the Spirit. We believers will be receiving it through Faith.
Sure, the blood in the new covenant is referring to the Spirit. We believers will be receiving it through Faith..
And we are not under the LAW but under Grace , Rom 6:14.

Do you have a verse !!

If you say we are , can. you EPLAIN how anyone can. be saved under the NEW COVENANT.

And you EXPLAIN HEB. 9:18. , PLEASE ??
dan p
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Judge orders Texas schools to remove Ten Commandments displays

My opinion on this article:

The push to display the Ten Commandments, while respecting them as a moral foundation, misses the central point of the Christian faith. It would be better to feature the Beatitudes, as these teachings from Jesus Christ of Nazareth truly represent the New Covenant's emphasis on mercy, humility, and the spirit of discipleship.


Matthew 5:3–10
* “Blessed are the poor in spirit, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
* Blessed are those who mourn, for they shall be comforted.
* Blessed are the meek, for they shall inherit the earth.
* Blessed are those who hunger and thirst for righteousness, for they shall be filled.
* Blessed are the merciful, for they shall obtain mercy.
* Blessed are the pure in heart, for they shall see God.
* Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be called sons of God.
* Blessed are those who are persecuted for righteousness' sake, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven."
I agree. Not to mention, there are different versions of the 10 Commandments.
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Poll: 7 in 10 voters support requiring doctor’s visit for abortion pills

Elective abortion is always wrong not only because the Church says so but because I have always believed that as a Christian.
Amen. It's slaughter of the most innocent. Selfish and cruel. Anyone who kills their own child in the name of choice deserves the wrath of God.
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So the account God recorded in Joshua 10 had to wait till pagan science figured out some 1000's of years after the recording of this event in The Tanakh.

That the earth rotates and moves around the sun .

So an unchanging God records an inaccurate account of an event in Israels history and is now only fully understood. Because pagan science now interprets Biblical accounts.
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Pope Leo says he opposes open borders, blasts Trump's deportation of illegal immigrants

How can a nation protect it's borders without law enforcement?

Even the Vatican prohibits illegal entry.
I think we can still respect human beings while respecting our borders. I don't think the Holy Father said anything wrong, IMHO.
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Bill Maher blasts Left for having 'freaked out' over gender ideology: 'That's not scientific'

Comedian Bill Maher denounced the Left's embrace of gender ideology earlier this week and claimed many on his side of the political spectrum are not scientifically sound.

During a discussion with fellow comedian Patton Oswalt on Maher's "Club Random" podcast, which aired Monday, the two discussed the post-election soul-searching among Democrats, with Oswalt pushing back against the notion that Democrats have veered too far to the political fringe.

Oswalt suggested that the widespread notion that Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, D-N.Y., is "too far left" shows the country is "broken," adding that the U.S. is still reeling from having "freaked out" over the election of former President Barack Obama.

Continued below.
It's more sociological than anything. How people expresses themselves change with the times. Nothing new here, and that certainly relates to gender and gender expression.
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Pardoned Capitol rioter tried to bribe child sex victim into silence with promise of Jan. 6 payout, officials say

Andrew Paul Johnson, 44, was arrested in Tennessee in August and extradited to Florida on charges of lewd/lascivious molestation, lewd/lascivious exhibition and transmission of material harmful to a minor.

The child said he confronted Johnson, who apologized and told the child not to tell anyone "since he would get in trouble," the affidavit says. Johnson mailed the child an iPhone "and told him to keep it a secret," the document alleges.

The sheriff's office said in the affidavit that Discord messages showed Johnson sneaking to the child's home to take him food and hang out with him. He also told the child that "since he was pardoned for storming the Capitol on January 6th, 2021, and he was being awarded $10,000,000 as a result of being a ‘jan 6’er’ ... that he would be putting him in his ‘will’ to take any money he had left over," according to the affidavit.

Court documents from [the Jan 6] case said Johnson, who referred to himself as "American Terrorist" and "Proud j6er," engaged in "disorderly and disruptive conduct" for more than four hours.

JD Vance, his Hindu wife and Christian conversion: Indian uproar

"Note that Vance has not suggested coercion or ultimatum. In fact, he has explicitly rejected force, saying, “But if she doesn't, then God says everybody has free will, and so that doesn't cause a problem for me.”

He is correct with this ... they have chosen to not make it a stumbling block ... I am certain he prays for her continuously
Amen. He wants her salvation which is admirable. IMHO.
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Americans vs. Canadians: Who's more religious? Survey reveals

"Feeling" God's presence is not important. Faith is not based on feelings. Sounds like some people were not properly taught Christianity, which is really unfortunate. God is always there, regardless of our "feelings." God is faithful.

Praying for a revival for both the United States and Canada :prayer:
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