7thKeeper said:

People have been saying the EU is collapsing for the past 25 years at the least.

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It has been collapsing for the past 25 years.

7thKeeper said:

And what political failures are those?

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Rampant liberalism and unchecked immigration.

7thKeeper said:

How about reading the reasons for the fine and commenting on those?

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Lack of fundamental rights.

By the way, the topic and question that was asked in the poll, what whether the EU should remain. I answered, "Yes," but it doesn't matter because the Moors have conquered, or will conquer them soon for a second time.

" In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them." (II Cor 4:4)

chevyontheriver said:

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Was this a Catholic priest or some other sort of priest? The unqualified one thinks it was a Catholic priest. What say you?

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Yes it was a catholic priest that made the comment. I didn't mention it in the OP because I thought priest was universal for catholic but now that I think of it I think the eastern orthodox uses priests too so that was my bad.

Michie said:

Was kind of priest are you speaking of?

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He was a catholic priest who seemed to be very open of all Christian religions but didnt seem to know that evangelism was not ok during a funeral. Dan (my father in law) and most of Dan's family are catholic so the comments and singling out of my Jewish brother in law were totally inappropriate. He meant well and cared about his soul but honestly the timing was not yhe greatest when my sister in law was grieving the loss of her father.

Stronginhim in reference to your post 2560 God certainly wrote a literal account with enough information to realise there are boundaries to what the creation account says. You mention 2 creation accounts. A relatively new interpretation from the mid 20th century from the likes of Bruce Waitke and John Walton who seems to think that he is Gods final authority on Jewish and ancient thought. You mention 7 other neighbouring countries worshipping different gods . I don’t have a problem with that. Only that Israel was not much better they continued harlot after other gods all throughout their histories even after they had been shown the true God. You then say Moses was not writing for scientists. And why not ? The Bible is for everyone . Or perhaps they are not answerable to the scientific boundaries God has proclaimed like creating the the world in 6 literal days and not million and billions of years as proclaimed by many in the scientific world but certainly not all. You then mention Genesis chapter 1 in relation to God creating male and female and than in Genesis 2 you say that God creates Adam out of dust and Mother Eve out of Adam’s rib a little later. Stonginhim God makes it abundantly clear In Genesis 1 : 31 ( And God saw everything that he had made and behold it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day. ) Including the creation of Adam & Eve. Stronginhim Genesis chapter one is a overview of the cosmic events of creation wk. Genesis chapter 2 is a more detailed report on the creation of Adam & Eve and the events of day six . It has nothing to with two different creations . You must remember there were no chaptering as we have in our bibles today. You mention in Genesis 2 also concerning other countries . That’s right Syria, Ethiopia Etc. But that in no way states that that they were flourishing countries with populations at the time of creation meaning that there humans present from another creation. The countries and rivers mentioned are merely there to point out the location of Eden . So I would ask what is the proposition of the theory of two creations . I would say like old age Earth theory from the 19th century and its many offshoots that it is merely to appease evolutionary thought and billions of years to make the Bible conform to the science of men and not the science of men conforming to the Bible . And we must evaluate where in Genesis 1 & 2 does the specifically mention two creation accounts. It doesn’t. Genesis 5:1-2 only speaks of one creation not two . Yours Prim. I will will reply to your other post soon

Shane R said:

We did have 3 Aussies and 5 Canucks and a couple from South Africa on the tour. The other 32 folks were American.

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The 5 Canucks are also American! Though they may not want to admit it!?

Oompa Loompa said:

Whatever. EU is on the verge of collapse anyway due to their own political failures. It is the Moore invasion 2.0, and Europe has fallen...again.

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People have been saying the EU is collapsing for the past 25 years at the least. And what political failures are those? Though I guess we can skip that question actually, you are again derailing the thread. How about reading the reasons for the fine and commenting on those? You know. The topic of the thread.

7thKeeper said:

UK is not in the EU, which is the topic. And you can read the plain language of what's going on in this thread. It's not technical at all and anyone can understand it.

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Whatever. EU is on the verge of collapse anyway due to their own political failures. It is the Moore invasion 2.0, and Europe has fallen...again.

Reluctant Theologian said:

As this thread is titled 'Not a lot of respect for men' I think it's wise to never cite this requirement for husbands from Ephesians 5 without also citing the requirement for wives from the same section: 'to submit to their husbands as to Christ' and 'to fear/reverence their husbands'.

And as husbands should love their wives even when their wives don't properly submit or fear/reverence them, in the same way the wives should still submit and fear/reverence their husbands even when they don't properly love them.

Of course I'm not talking about a situation where a husband literally beats his wife up, but these days the definition of 'abuse' gets stretched so much that any (verbal) correction or setting boundaries setting by a husband may already be construed as emotional abuse (this is not a joke).

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I was not rebellious and was faithful to my husband for almost 43 years when he passed away of cancer.

Bradskii said:

You're confused. It was your argument. It's what you want. All you could do was offer some pseudo satirical acceptance of it. Now you have no options except deflection. It's your only recourse. Which, in case you weren't aware, simply confirms the observation.

Well, I say It's your only recourse. But you could of course actually tell us that you'd be happy for all these dealers to be killed with no due process whether on the high seas or your local neighbourhood. In fact, I suspect that you'd be more convinced that they should be executed if they were in your suburb.

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Deflection? I think i have been pretty clear whwre I stand. Yes. I want to see all these murdering rapist dead. The world would be a much better place if they all just had a heart attack. Whether by bomb in international waters, or by an executioner after months of trials and legal processes. The end is still the same, but the former is much quicker and cheaper. What I don't get is why you are trying to play "gotcha" when I am saying, "Darn right! Blow the trash into fish chum. Give them the same compassion, empathy, and consideration that they give to their customers who die from their product. Then let God figure out the rest." Now I hope you are done doing whoever it was you are trying to do. But from my perspective, it appeard to be a lot of nonsensical and emotional rantings about things you do not understand. Have I made myself clear, or do you wish to continue your creepy rants?

Larniavc said:

Functionally

it is on a population level.

Is this site running slow for anyone else?

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Yes, it is slow.

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ThatRobGuy said:

"Born to a rich person" isn't the same thing as an institutional "social order" that mandates that you "stay within your caste"

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it is on a population level.

Is this site running slow for anyone else?

ChubbyCherub said:

Thank you. Yes, you summed this up for me nicely and the way you did so aligned with the way the church has taught me.

I think @Reluctant Theologian (and please feel free to correct me if I'm wrong, here!) does not agree with this viewpoint for the reasons he has stated before.

He would not be alone in this, which may be why my church felt the need to address it, since they have women leaders e.g. Director of Ministry.

I can only assume someone questioned the biblical soundness of this, but cannot be sure.

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I believe the BIBLE and it's contents are totally inspired by God. Yet I don't understand all of it yet.

2 Timothy 3:16
All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness,

Reluctant Theologian said:

That would have been terrible, sorry to hear that - did he claim God revealed that to him while being an atheist? In situations like that it may take time to get used to the metaphor of God as our benevolent Father - or deal with positive male authority in general. I wish you healing.

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Healing finally came through a male therapist and my reflection on my Dad's troubled childhood. But it was mostly sfter my Dad passed away. Not all men are as troubled as he was. I trusted God as a benevolent Father most of my life, even after trying to believe the rottten teachings of Mormonism which I encountered as a teen. They baptized me, but their non-Trinity god isn't merciful.

Apple Sky said:

Did you know that Ice melts at 33 degrees, all's I can say 'lets hope we don't have a heat wave in Antarctica'.

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Whatever has the melting point of ice got to do with the shape of the earth?

RamiC said:

There are people who live within it's borders. They should choose if it exists.

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They have, Finland had a referedum and they chose to join, at that time Sweden was about 50/50, and so it goes that,

If we join then Norway will follow, but Norway did not follow,

Long noses all around.

Strong in Him said:

Yes, but that's got nothing to do with whether people can understand/study science and know God.

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But it is what we have come to expect from @Apple Sky Changing the subject when the conversation isn't going to her liking.

Apple Sky said:

No, and besides it's not a Godly thing to do.

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If it is ungodly to believe in the moon landings, show us from the bible.

jonojim1337 said:

Don’t shoot the messenger.

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Messenger?
You mean your job is to announce, "thus saith TikTok"?
Oh, however did people know anything without social media? Poor Isaiah; denied the chance to search Instagram he was forced to ask, and listen to, the Lord.

Apple Sky said:

So what are you saying, that God doesn't do enough of a good job ?

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That is very disingenuous of you.
Of course he isn't saying that. He is saying if that is the moon's job then the moon isn't managing to do it's job. Do you think God is responsible for Adam and Eve's failure?

Apple Sky said:

The problem is that there are so many who are turning their back on God, this is so sad to hear

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Yes, but that's got nothing to do with whether people can understand/study science and know God.

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samaus123456789 said:

I asked chat GPT to give the etymology of these words only from the bible, and only before 70 AD.

Here is the etymology of “Jew,” “Jewish,” “Judaism,” and “Gentile” using ONLY evidence from the Bible written before 70 AD:

✔ Hebrew Bible (Tanakh / LXX)
✔ Septuagint Greek (before 70 AD)
✔ New Testament books written before 70 AD (Paul, Mark, early Matthew sections, etc.)

No later sources, no post-70 AD history, no archaeology, no rabbinic texts, nothing after 70 AD.

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⭐ 1. JEW​

Hebrew Bible evidence (before 70 AD)​

(A) Hebrew word: יְהוּדִי (Yehudi)​

Meaning: “Judean,” a person of the tribe/territory of Judah.

Earliest appearance:

2 Kings 16:6​

This is the first time in the Bible the word “Jew” appears.

Other uses:

• Jeremiah 34:9 – “a free Jew” (Yehudi)
• Esther 2:5 – “a certain Jew named Mordecai”

In the Hebrew Bible, Yehudi always means:

• a person from Judah,
• or by extension, someone belonging to the southern kingdom (Judah).

(B) Greek Septuagint (before 70 AD)​

Hebrew Yehudi is translated as:

Ἰουδαῖος (Ioudaios)​

Meaning: “Judean”.

Examples:

• Esther 2:5 LXX — And there was a man, a Judean (Ioudaios)…
• 2 Kings 16:6 LXX — Ioudaioi (“Judeans”)

⭐ What “Jew” meant before 70 AD (biblically):​

• A person from Judah
• or a southern Israelite (after the split monarchy)
• By NT times it could also mean a follower of the Judean religion

BUT the word always comes from “Judah.”

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⭐ 2. JEWISH​

The Hebrew Bible does not use an adjectival form (like “Jewish”).
Instead:

• “the Judean people,”
• “the people of Judah,”
• “the customs of the Judeans.”

Examples (before 70 AD):​

2 Kings 18:26 (Hebrew)​

Here “Jewish language” = Yehudit = “the language of Judah.”

This is the only Hebrew Bible term resembling “Jewish.”

LXX term (before 70 AD)​

Greek uses:

Ἰουδαϊκός (Ioudaikos) – “Judean / pertaining to Judeans”​

Examples:

• 2 Maccabees 2:21 (pre-70 AD text)
  “The battles… for the Jewish (Ioudaikos) customs.”
• Mark 7:3 (NT written before 70 AD)
  “The Jewish (Ioudaioi) traditions.”

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⭐ 3. JUDAISM​

This is actually a biblical word and it appears before 70 AD.

Original biblical term: Ἰουδαϊσμός (Ioudaismos)​

Meaning:

• “The way of the Judeans”
• “The Judean religion / practices”

First appearance: 2 Maccabees 2:21​

Other appearance: 2 Maccabees 8:1

New Testament (before 70 AD):​

Galatians 1:13–14​

Paul uses the same Greek word:

⭐ What “Judaism” meant before 70 AD:​

• The religion of the Judeans
• The customs of the post-exilic people of Judah
• Not yet a global or modern system, but the pre-70 AD Judean faith

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⭐ 4. GENTILE​

This word comes from the Bible but through translation, not Hebrew etymology.

Hebrew Bible words (before 70 AD)​

גּוֹי (goy) / גּוֹיִם (goyim)​

Meaning:

• “Nation”
• “Peoples”
• “Ethnic groups other than Israel”

Most famous examples:

• Genesis 12:2 — Israel will be a great nation
• Psalm 2:1 — “Why do the nations (goyim) rage?”

The Hebrew word does NOT mean “non-Jew.”
It simply means “nation.”

Greek Septuagint word (before 70 AD):​

ἔθνη (ethnē)​

Meaning:

• “Nations,” “peoples,”
• in Israel’s context: “the other nations”

NT Example:

• Matthew 28:19 — “Make disciples of all nations (ethnē).”

Where “Gentile” comes from in the Bible:​

When Jerome translated the LXX/NT into Latin (pre-70 AD usage preserved):

Latin Vulgate: gentes = nations​

From this Latin word, English Bibles later used Gentile.

⭐ Meaning before 70 AD:​

• Goyim / ethnē = nations
• Often meaning non-Israelite nations
  But not originally a derogatory term.

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⭐ SUMMARY (Only Using Pre-70 AD Bible Evidence)​

English Term	Pre-70 AD Hebrew Term	Pre-70 AD Greek Term	Biblical Meaning Before 70 AD
Jew	Yehudi = Judean	Ioudaios = Judean	Person from Judah (later the whole Judean people)
Jewish	Yehudit = Judean language	Ioudaikos = Judean	Pertaining to Judeans (language, customs)
Judaism	—	Ioudaismos	Judean religion/customs (2 Macc 2:21; Gal 1:13–14)
Gentile	Goy / Goyim = nations	Ethnos / Ethnē = nations	Any nation (often non-Israelite)

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⭐ If you want, I can also show:​

✔ Every OT verse containing Yehudi, Yehudit, goy, or goyim.
✔ Every LXX verse containing Ioudaios, Ioudaikos, ethnos.
✔ How “Ioudaios” changed meaning between 200 BC and 70 AD.
✔ The difference between Hebrew, Israelite, Judean, and Jew.

Just tell me!
it is amazing. You could then ask it how these words changed meaning after 70 AD. Christians are Judeans (Romans 2 28 29) meaning of the religion of Abraham.

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This is a long discussion/explanation and requires academic readings. But in short Chat GPT is correct; The term "yehudi/Jew" comes from the Southern kingdom of "Judah" vs The Northern kingdom of "Israel".

It becomes way more complicated when using the term "JUDAISM" and Chat GPT does do a decent job explaining that term because pre-70 AD it was not used as a term for a religious system. A better translation back then would be "the way of the Judeans" and not Judaism.

Oompa Loompa said:

I guess I am not too savy on the details on what is going on.

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Don't worry about it. Everyone is taking that into consideration when reading your posts.

Oompa Loompa said:

Well, you made a very convincing argument.

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You're confused. It was your argument. It's what you want. All you could do was offer some pseudo satirical acceptance of it. Now you have no options except deflection. It's your only recourse. Which, in case you weren't aware, simply confirms the observation.

Well, I say It's your only recourse. But you could of course actually tell us that you'd be happy for all these dealers to be killed with no due process whether on the high seas or your local neighbourhood. In fact, I suspect that you'd be more convinced that they should be executed if they were in your suburb.