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Hentenza · 2025-11-23T14:45:57-0600

jonojim1337 said:
They usually deny the New Testament.

What makes you think that I deny the NT?

BCP1928 · 2025-11-23T14:44:05-0600

Landon Caeli said:
Apparently if you want to burn your own copy of the Koran outdoors, people of that "faith" have the right to steal the book away from you. That happened earlier this week too.

No theft charges even considered.

Try it with a Bible and get back to me.

prodromos · 2025-11-23T14:40:18-0600

concretecamper said:
Yeah, it's round .

However, "trust the science" has lost all credibility in the past 5 years.

No one here is saying, "trust the science".

jonojim1337 · 2025-11-23T14:38:38-0600

Hentenza said:
Whatever makes you think that?

They usually deny the New Testament.

Landon Caeli · 2025-11-23T14:37:18-0600

essentialsaltes said:
Do they interrupt your religious services to do so?

Yes. They do.

1989 St. Patrick's Cathedral Incident: Members of the AIDS advocacy groups ACT UP and WHAM disrupted a Sunday Mass led by Cardinal John O'Connor in New York City, resulting in 111 arrests.
2015 Las Vegas Incidents: A group of protesters, identified as ex-Muslims turned Christians, disrupted services at multiple Catholic churches across the Las Vegas valley, shouting messages against the Catholic faith and distributing literature.
March 2024: Protesters disrupted the Easter Vigil Mass at St. Patrick's Cathedral in New York, holding a banner and chanting "Free Palestine," leading to their arrest by police, says NBC New York.
January 2021: Pro-choice activists disrupted a pro-life Mass at St. Joseph Cathedral in Columbus, Ohio, holding signs that said "Fund abortion not cops" before being removed.
August 2021: A group protested outside a Catholic church in Edmonton, leading to a physical confrontation with parishioners who blocked their entry.

BCP1928 · 2025-11-23T14:36:10-0600

Desk trauma said:
The Least likely explanation.

I'll agree it isn't very likely, though it would be unChristian of me to rule it out entirely. Still, it is interesting that MAGA Christians won't consider it.

Desk trauma said:
Her resignation is scheduled for a day after she qualifies for retirement benefits. Off into the sunset to enjoy her insider trading windfall.

Looks like she beat Trump at his own game. Well played!

Landon Caeli · 2025-11-23T14:35:37-0600

iluvatar5150 said:
Oh, is that what this is? Humility?

No, this is a verbal reprimand.

Daniel Martinovich · 2025-11-23T14:34:06-0600

I do believe in the literal- physical; coming, past present and future of the Lord. I do not believe in the traditions of men about second advent heralding the end of the world as we know it.

THE COMING OF THE LORD

The Bible's record of the Lord physically coming to the earth.

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Chesterton · 2025-11-23T14:30:50-0600

Someone should write a song called "2025". It's been a great year so far.

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Chesterton · 2025-11-23T14:27:03-0600

GoldenBoy89 said:
Good thing they’re not going to Magic Mountain then.

I don't even wanna know what that might mean.

Hentenza · 2025-11-23T14:22:51-0600

jonojim1337 said:
What are you, a Jew?

Whatever makes you think that?

BCP1928 · 2025-11-23T14:22:11-0600

stevevw said:
I am very self aware. You underestimate me. How do you think say a scientist can also be a Christian or believe in some transcedent reality. Cannot they reconcile them both.

Belief in transcendent reality is not at issue in this discussion or even in this forum. There is no need for a Christian or a scientist to reconcile such beliefs with science.

jonojim1337 · 2025-11-23T14:19:30-0600

Hentenza said:
God was not born. He has always been.

What are you, a Jew?

Hentenza · 2025-11-23T14:17:54-0600

jonojim1337 said:
Of course not, since we live under a dome. I’m a firm believer that society should be governed by a genetically superior race of people, among whom God was born. As it was in the days of Ptolemaic cosmology.

God was not born. He has always been.

Yarddog · 2025-11-23T14:17:49-0600

Always in His Presence said:
That someone being a convicted pedophile?

And? Are courts not allowed to talk to a pedophile for some reason?

sovereigngrace · 2025-11-23T14:17:33-0600

eleos1954 said:
The "rapture" is the first resurrection .... there is no "secrete rapture" ... personally I don't like or use the term. There are two resurrections.

You seem incapable of addressing all rebuttals to your theological theories above. Why is that?

CoreyD · 2025-11-23T14:17:05-0600

childeye 2 said:
Yeah, I don't believe in that. I believe were either serving righteousness or unrighteousness.

Okay. Thank you.
What you don't believe is what is.

The Bible says, at Hosea 14:4, in part...

I will freely love them / I will love them freely

The Hebrew expression nedabah (נְדָבָה) is rendered freewill offering, freely, plentiful, voluntary, offering, willingly, offering.

This Hebrew word comes from the Hebrew word nadab, of which Topical Lexicon says...

The verb נָדַב consistently underlines a movement of the heart that is neither coerced nor merely dutiful. It describes people stirred from within to give, serve, or step forward because they have first been moved by God. Throughout Scripture this spirit of readiness is linked to worship, stewardship, civic responsibility, and warfare, revealing a multifaceted biblical theology of voluntary devotion.

At 1 Corinthians 9:16-18, verse 17 says,

For if I do this willingly, I have a reward; but if unwillingly, I am entrusted with a stewardship.

Paul uses the Greek word hekón: Willing, Voluntary. Which means of one's own free will.

According to Thayer's Greek Lexicon...

STRONGS NT 1635: ἑκών

ἑκών, ἑκοῦσα, ἑκον, unforced, voluntary, willing, of one's own will, of one's own accord: Romans 8:20; 1 Corinthians 9:17. (From Homer down.)

At Philemon 1:14, Paul says...

But I did not want to do anything without your consent, so that your goodness will not be out of compulsion, but by your own free will (Berean Standard Bible; NASB; Amplified Bible; Christian Standard Bible; Holman Christian Standard Bible; American Standard Version; English Revised Version; New Heart English Bible; Majority Standard Bible; World English Bible; Smith's Literal Translation; Anderson New Testament; Godbey New Testament) / according to willingness / willingly / voluntary / not something forced.

The Greek word hekousios - meaning free will, is the neuter of a derivative from hekon; voluntariness -- willingly, which is (an adjective, a primitive term) – properly, willing; "unforced, of one's own will, voluntary" (J. Thayer), i.e. acting on one's own accord. The root (hek-) emphasizes intentional, deliberate action (choice), i.e. "of free-will" (J. Thayer).

voluntary

adjective

Done or undertaken of one's own free will.

a voluntary decision to leave the job.

Acting or done willingly and without constraint or expectation of reward.

a voluntary hostage; voluntary community work.

Normally controlled by or subject to individual volition.

volition

The act of willing or choosing; the act of forming a purpose; the exercise of the will.

The result of an act or exercise of choosing or willing; a state of choice.

The power of willing or determining; will.

These works are not beliefs. There are facts - works of academia.
The definition of the words here, are not subject to change based on one's belief.
They describe free will, voluntary, willful, deliberate, and intentional action.
You cannot accept them... so you claim, but at the same time do not believe them.

I cannot continue this conversation with you, as it would be similar to talking with someone who says they don't believe seas and oceans exist, simply because of their beliefs., and opening works of academia and showing that person that what they are denying is actually proven knowledge makes no difference to them.

So, thank you for the discussion, and you do have an enjoyable day sir.
Good day.

sovereigngrace · 2025-11-23T14:16:27-0600

eleos1954 said:
The "rapture" is the first resurrection .... there is no "secrete rapture" ... personally I don't like or use the term. There are two resurrections.

Who is "the first that should rise" in Acts 26:23?
Who is "the firstborn from the dead" in Colossians 1:18?
Who is "the firstfruits of them that slept" in 1 Corinthians 15:20?
Who is "first begotten of the dead" in Revelation 1:5?

When you establish this it will help you establish Revelation 20:6 - that is if you believe in letting Scripture interpret Scripture (as Amils do).

Strong in Him · 2025-11-23T14:16:00-0600

Hentenza said:
With frosting around the edges.

Yeah, that would be Antarctica.

Always in His Presence · 2025-11-23T14:13:34-0600

Yarddog said:
Someone that needs information to ask during a Congressional hearing.

That someone being a convicted pedophile?

Yarddog · 2025-11-23T14:11:28-0600

Always in His Presence said:
How many Congress people give their private phone number out to convicted sex offenders?

Asking for a friend

Someone that needs information to ask during a Congressional hearing.

Warden_of_the_Storm · 2025-11-23T14:07:18-0600

concretecamper said:
But I didn't.

So you TRUST the science all the time? Ok, that may be you, that isn't how everyone is.

Don't put words in my mouth. It's VERY unbecoming of a Christian.

I don't 'trust' science. I accept scientific facts and observations based on evidence found through deduction, study and work.

In the matter of the Earth being a round globe, I don't need to 'trust' science but I accept what science says along with what I see with my own eyes.

I live on the North Wales coast, and the Isle of Man is a smidge over 70 miles in a straight line away from where I live, and whereas I am at sea-level, the Isle of Man stands 48 metres above sea-level. If the Earth was flat as is claimed, I would have no problem seeing the portion of the Isle of Man that faces me. Yet I cannot, which is what we would expect to see on Earth if it was a round globe, and not what we would see if the Earth was flat.

Observation shows the fact that the Earth is not flat. Very simple.

BCP1928 · 2025-11-23T14:03:45-0600

Has no one considered the possibility that she realized, as a Christian, what she was doing and repents of it?

Hentenza · 2025-11-23T14:02:20-0600

Strong in Him said:
The thing is; even @Apple Sky believes it is round.
But also flat and 2 dimensional, like a disc or CD, rather than spherical like a ball.

With frosting around the edges.

concretecamper · 2025-11-23T14:01:38-0600

Warden_of_the_Storm said:
You could have stopped at the first sentence. Or just not posted at all.

Regardless, the fact that Earth is round is evidenced through so many different forms of observation from so many different things that it's nonsense to accept that the Earth is flat.

But I didn't.

So you TRUST the science all the time? Ok, that may be you, that isn't how everyone is.

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