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Is the Bible inerrant?

Thanks all.

I think I misread this whole thread as the bible wasn't a trustworthy source for basically anything and I wanted to know a) why this was the case b) to what everyone was referring to if this is the case c) how this could help me and my family on our journey towards God d) how anyone could believe in God, Jesus or the Holy Spirit from a text that no one believes...........

It was a bit shocking but maybe that's because I misread/misunderstood the premise of the whole thread and I probably should have realized that when I saw that the bible was being quoted despite what I thought I understood.

@RamiC @Fervent @2PhiloVoid - thank you all for your patience and assistance.

It's good to know I have somewhere to go with questions because my family has very tough questions that someone who believes, due to a Christian background, isn't really in the habit of asking until challenged.

God bless you all and thanks so much.
Inerrancy and the overall trustworthiness are too often tethered together as if they are the same, so it's understandable that you would be suspicious. It seems especially problematic if your only tether to the faith is the Bible, but the reality is that it is the historic witness that tethers us together. And by that I don't mean some mystical tradition that is beyond question but the ongoing transmission from generation of Christians to generation of Christians. We know the Bible is trustworthy because we see how it changes the lives of the people who put it into practice, and there are a number of ways to understand what the Bible is that are easily overlooked with how many people talk about these things.
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Judge dismisses James Comey and Letitia James cases, finding prosecutor's appointment invalid

Karoline Leavitt is paid to lie for Trump and defend all things Trump. Anything out of her mouth should be immediately dismissed as false.
You could not be more incorrect if you tried.
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The Mamdani Model: More Socialist Mayors to ComeBeware! The DSA will attempt to repeat Mamdani’s success in other Democrat strongholds.

The Mayor of NYC doesn't control immigration. That fool in the White House does.
It's normal for people with similar customs, languages, cultures and religions to flock together, like birds. If you get too many in one area, assimilation slows, or fails.
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Imitatio Christi - is the following Biblical?

I can be full of one thing and hungry for another. The passions wrap around. But Christ is always satisfying.
That is not exegetically sound. if he was speaking in metaphor, i could agree - however he was speaking literaly
Of course I have - and St. Paul is using a classical rhetorical device
There is no rhetorical in scripture -

The verses are literal, not metaphorical.

Paul literally made tents to supply his financial needs
Paul received monetary gifts to supply his needs

Paul knew what is was like to abound in finances and be abase (in need).

Either way he was content with what he had.
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Does atheism even really exist?

I don't see Philippians 3 as addressing atheism in particular. Paul talks in 3:18 about "enemies of the cross of Christ", which is not the same thing as thinking that the available evidence is insufficient to prove the existence of God.

I believe atheists when they say that they are genuinely not persuaded that God (or a pantheon of gods) exists.
My argument is this:

It is possible to worship one's own stomach (Phillipians 3)
It is possible to have gods made of inanimate things on earth (Genesis 31:19)

Therefore the Christian definition of 'god' and 'worship' is looser than most of us (including atheists) realize, meaning an atheist can worship a false god without believing in an all-powerful deity, making the term 'atheist' itself contradictory. An example of this happening is an atheist prioritizing financial success over giving to the poor. In doing so would be worshipping a false god.
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Do you keep the Sabbath? (poll)

I never said this, so not sure where got that from. God's church is a remnant according to God, so its not going to be the biggest one out there. They are also going to be keeping the commandments of God, not commandments of man, until the Second Coming of Jesus..

Rev 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman (church) , and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

Rev 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints; here are those who keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus.

Rev 22:14 Blessed are those who do His commandments, that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter through the gates into the city.


This will of course be the commandments under God's mercy seat Exo25:21, which we are shown the Testimony of God Exo31:18 Rev15:5 Rev11:19, the Ten Commandments Deut4:13, unedited because God is God and God makes no mistakes and man is not greater than God to edit Him when He promised not to alter His words Psaa89:34, not a jot or tittle Mat5:18-19


We are told the devil deceives the whole world, why we are told the only way to safeguard our salvation is by God's Holy Word. This is not going to be an overnight thing. He has been working throughout history- rewriting history, working with men to rewrite history books and change God's times and laws and we see this clearly happening in history.

God's people are not fooled because they keep their faith in Him and not people

Isa8:20 To the law and to the testimony! If they do not speak according to this word, it is because there[a] is no light in them.

I have no judgement on the Sabbath, Judgement is God's He wrote He spoke, this comamndment, it is under His mercy seat just like the other 9 commandments. Man is not what we need to be worried about Heb10:26-30 , its staying faithful to God. I am just advocating we do so as Jesus told us to Mat5:19

I feel bad you can't see how arrogant it is for your church to say they are above God's Word and that their power is above God's to change one of God's personally written commandments when God said He would not Mat5:18-19 Psa89:34. Also this is not me saying this about the church you belong to, they say this themselves and much more.

Our faith should be in the One who has the power to sanctify and bless man, that is the God of Creation Exo20:11, the only God we are to worship Rev14:7. No church is above God, when they are teaching against what God said Isa8:20 I would prayerfully consider where our allegiance is because as we are told whoever we obey is who we serve Rom6:16 if you think Rome can save you, that can be your choice, my faith is in Jesus John 14:6 what did He teach, how did He live, that is who we should be following, that is who the apostles modeled their life after including Sabbath-keeping Luke4:16 John15:10 1John2:6 and told us we ought to obey God over man. Acts 5:29


In the Bible in the end there are two women who represent two churches- one that is pure they obey God and the other church is the harlot. The adulteresses mother church (and her daughters) that takes on a form of godliness, but without the power. This church God said is the one who changed His times and laws Dan7:25 Consider the quotes I provided of what your own church claims they did based on their own sense of power over God's, in their own words- said this change is a mark of their authority over God's. You place your faith in your church, we need to have the faith of and in Jesus. Rev14:12

This is in the last days, which I believe we are close, when the devil impersonates God and comes as an angel of light. I believe this will happen shortly after there is a decree that prohibits people to obey one of God's commandments, much like in the time of Daniel, why this story is in the prophetic book. If we are already believing his doctrine, the deception will be great.

I am betting my life on what God said verbatim Deut4:13 Exo20:1-17 Exo31:18 Rev15:5 He wrote it our plainly and clearly and said if you love Me keep My commandments Exo20:6 John14:15, I love Jesus so that's where my faith is.

Isn't that what you are doing. Provide one Scripture where we are commanded to keep the first day holy by God. Provide one scripture where God transferred the Sabbath sanctification from the Sabbath to Sunday. Provide one Scripture where God in His own words said Sunday is My holy day? Its a counterfeit to what God in the Bible said, that sadly most follow over being faithful to God because God only said these things about the Sabbath.

Yes it does plainly because the apostles were faithful to God, not man.

Acts 13:42 So when the Jews went out of the synagogue, the Gentiles begged that these words might be preached to them the next Sabbath.

Acts 13:44 On the next Sabbath almost the whole city came together to hear the word of God.

(fulfillment of Jesus prophecy that My house will be a house of prayer for all nations)

Acts 18:4 And he reasoned in the synagogue every Sabbath, and persuaded both Jews and Greeks.

Acts 15:21 For Moses has had throughout many generations those who preach him in every city, being read in the synagogues every Sabbath.”

Many generations means
The Greek phrase is:
ἐκ γενεῶν ἀρχαίων (ek geneōn archaion)
= “from ancient generations,” “from long ages,” “from many generations back.”

The apostles also continued doing this every Sabbath, because God's people keep God's commandments Exo20:8-11 Lev23:3 Isa58:13 throughout generations just as God promised Exo31:13 . And the Sabbath continues on for eternity thus saith the Lord Isa66:23 because God does not change, thus saith the Lord. Mal3:6 Heb13:8
Jesus Christ and him crucified is the Gospel, the Sabbath is not the Gospel. Those who are in Christ do not profane the Sabbath and it is slanderous and libelous to say that we do.
The Sabbath has been fulfilled in Christ

Why do you think that He says come unto me all that are heavy laden and I will give you rest? He does not tell them to go to the Sabbath to get their rest. You are worshipping a day above the man Jesus Christ. Is Jesus impotent to save?

Oh, and the antichrist could not care less upon which day you worship as long as you worship him instead of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit
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How Can Molecules Think?

Hypnogogic or hypnopompic hallucination. Really common. It’s not the spirits of our dead loved ones.
When your father turns up the night he died, and apologises for the way he treated you, it's not a hypnogogic or hypnopompic hallucination, esecially when i didn't even know he'd died. I didn't find out for another four days by normal human methods when one of my uncles turned up to tell me.

Incidentally the uncle was my mother's brother and it was his wife who died brushing her daughter's hair years before as related in my post above.

Secondly when our exchange had elements such as "What is this?? A dream or something??" to which my father replied "No, it's not a dream. I died tonight." And "It wasn't easy for me either you know and I never had a chance to see anything like this!"

To which I replied "I know it wasn't easy! I knew that by the time I was twelve."

It was no hallucination, and his departing scream just before he disappeared again was terrifying. Something was coming for him. I think he's in hell personally.

You weren't there to see it, were you?

He also said "You'll become a Christian" as I was an atheist at the time. And "You'll meet a pastor. You'll think he's great, but all he'll do is discourage you even more!"

I met the pastor shortly after I became Christian in late 1982, and before I left his church in 1991 as I got married and moved away (he died himself in 1992) he apologised to me. I asked him what he was apologising for and he said "You needed encouragement but all I've done is to discourage you even more".

I'd often told him about my father's apparition and pointed out he'd just quoted my "dead" father back to me word for word.

You can shove your arrogance and your "Hypnogogic or hypnopompic hallucination". You think you know it all because you've read a bit about psychology.

How wrong you are!

As you'll eventually find out.
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Does atheism even really exist?

I don't see Philippians 3 as addressing atheism in particular. Paul talks in 3:18 about "enemies of the cross of Christ", which is not the same thing as thinking that the available evidence is insufficient to prove the existence of God.

I believe atheists when they say that they are genuinely not persuaded that God (or a pantheon of gods) exists.
I also believe atheists when they say they are genuinely not persuaded that the true Christian God exists. The problem is that atheists do not realize that they worship other gods. Their gods are their stomach, neil tyson, reddit.com, etc;. It's true that many atheists doubt Christianity, but it's not true that atheists don't worship their own gods. If it is possible to worship one's own stomach and even inanimate objects here on earth (Genesis 31:19) then there are many other false gods out there that atheists absolutely worship
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the myth of flat earth debunked again


Nothing in there contradicts what I said nor proves you right.

Constantinople and Jerusalem are not the same place by any stretch of the imagination. Only in your own weird deluded mind.
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The use of the Old Testament

A lay preacher I had a lot of time for as a young Christian told me a basic principle: "The OT is in the NT revealed, the NT is in the OT concealed). And I've been thinking there is a warning here not to take the OT as normative without reference to the OT. A good example is why Christians believe that the system of OT sacrifices of animals don't apply to the Church today.

But I wonder if there are not more examples. Now I know some Christians make a lot of

Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. 18For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. 19Therefore anyone who sets aside one of the least of these commands and teaches others accordingly will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven. 20For I tell you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the Pharisees and the teachers of the law, you will certainly not enter the kingdom of heaven.
Mt 5:17-20

But, in Jesus' day, those commandments would include the commandments for animal sacrifices that were still being done in Jesus' time.

Another aspect of the OT is there's a lot of wars and killing. If Israel was successful on the battlefield (i.e. killed lots of people) then that meant God was blessing them and vice versa. When Jericho fell we read:


They devoted the city to the Lord and destroyed with the sword every living thing in it—men and women, young and old, cattle, sheep and donkeys. Josh 6:21
The donkeys might lead them into idolatry! Everyone seems to include babies.


David is praised not so much for his poetry but for killing lots of people. Joshua holds up Moses' arms so the Israelites can kill lots of Amalekites:
So Joshua fought the Amalekites as Moses had ordered, and Moses, Aaron and Hur went to the top of the hill. 11As long as Moses held up his hands, the Israelites were winning, but whenever he lowered his hands, the Amalekites were winning. 12When Moses’ hands grew tired, they took a stone and put it under him and he sat on it. Aaron and Hur held his hands up—one on one side, one on the other—so that his hands remained steady till sunset. 13So Joshua overcame the Amalekite army with the sword.
Ex 17:10-13

And there are many more examples in the OT. Not exactly blessed are the peacemakers or turning the other cheek. So I think we need to be very careful about drawing moral lessons for Christian behaviour from things that were done in the OT narratives or history books. Reference should always be made to the relevant teaching in the NT and we should interpret the OT in the light of the NT not vice versa. So hopefully any donkeys that might stray into a church in the next few weeks will be safe.

According to our risen Lord, God and Savior in the closing paragraphs of the Resurrection Gospel in Luke ch. 24 the Old Testament is Christological prophecy. That should be how we interpret it.
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Imitatio Christi - is the following Biblical?

That would be two things - not one.


To be full and to be hungry - one end of a spectrum to another -

(then in the same sentence) both to abound and to suffer need.

There is no change in thought - The word ABOUND means
  1. to be abundantly furnished with, to have in abundance, abound in (a thing), to be in affluence.

Which is the other end of "suffer need" -


Have you not read what Paul said in 1 Cor 9:
My defense to those who examine me is this: 4 Do we have no [b]right to eat and drink? 5 Do we have no right to take along a believing wife, as do also the other apostles, the brothers of the Lord, and Cephas? 6 Or is it only Barnabas and I who have no right to refrain from working? 7 Who ever goes to war at his own expense? Who plants a vineyard and does not eat of its fruit? Or who tends a flock and does not drink of the milk of the flock?
8 Do I say these things as a mere man? Or does not the law say the same also? 9 For it is written in the law of Moses, “You shall not muzzle an ox while it treads out the grain.” Is it oxen God is concerned about? 10 Or does He say it altogether for our sakes? For our sakes, no doubt, this is written, that he who plows should plow in hope, and he who threshes in hope should be partaker of his hope. 11 If we have sown spiritual things for you, is it a great thing if we reap your material things? 12 If others are partakers of this right over you, are we not even more?

Of course I have - and St. Paul is using a classical rhetorical device - he is pointing out that he could claim this compensation, that he could have a wife with him, and indeed some of the Apostles were married, but in due course within the Orthodox Church it proved meet that the bishops should follow the example of St. Paul and be celibate, whereas the presbyters and deacons could be married (indeed several of the first deacons were, most infamously Nicolas, who founded the Nicolaitan heresy on the basis of the idea of his wife and those of his followers as property that should be shared, according to St. Irenaeus and other ancient heresiologists).

Nicolas the Deacon should not be confused with St. Nicholas of Myra, a hierarch and confessor tortured in the DIocletian persecutions and an example of one who served God and Man, loving God above all else and His neighbor as Himself, famed for his generosity as the Bishop of Myra and for his tearful repentance after slapping Arius (which caused him to be automatically deposed, for under ancient canon law, still in force in my church, clergy cannot strike anyone, even to elicit repentence, but in the case of St. Nicholas he was forgiven after the Emperor and others present had a vision the following night urging them to do so, and in the Orthodox Church we commemorate St. Nicholas every Thursday).
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the myth of flat earth debunked again

Also Russia was the first “nation” to be Christianised, but you won’t read that in history books that legitimises illegitimate powers.
Actually that would be Armenia in 301 AD.
For Russia it was in the year 988 AD.
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It seemed so easy for the thief on the cross to be saved.

But there was real repentance, that is essential.
The thief spoke truthfully, that he was a thief deserving his fate. the second time he spoke, and asked Jesus to remember him

Honesty in the face of God seemingly went a long way
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Judge dismisses James Comey and Letitia James cases, finding prosecutor's appointment invalid

Karoline Leavitt is paid to lie for Trump and defend all things Trump. Anything out of her mouth should be immediately dismissed as false.
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Does atheism even really exist?

I don't see Philippians 3 as addressing atheism in particular. Paul talks in 3:18 about "enemies of the cross of Christ", which is not the same thing as thinking that the available evidence is insufficient to prove the existence of God.

I believe atheists when they say that they are genuinely not persuaded that God (or a pantheon of gods) exists.
Agreed. Faith is ultimately a gift from God, and it’s not something that can be forced upon someone, in my opinion.
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How Can Molecules Think?

I've usually got a pretty fair idea whether I've seen something or not. I used the same brain and optic senses to see my father's spirit the night he turned up and to take in the bedroom I was in at the time.
Hypnogogic or hypnopompic hallucination. Really common. It’s not the spirits of our dead loved ones.
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