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jonojim1337 · 2025-12-13T17:39:04-0600

Hentenza said:
This is irrelevant regarding my question to the other poster. Nothing in my question about shadows.

The part where the covenant is broken. Dietary laws belong to that covenant.

keras · 2025-12-13T17:36:49-0600

A people who keep the faith- righteous Christians:

Isaiah 26:11 Lord; Your hand is lifted high, let the fire reserved for Your enemies consume them. The godless cannot see how You will protect Your people.

Isaiah 26:20-21 Go My people, enter your rooms and shut the doors after you. Withdraw for a little while, until the Lord’s wrath has passed. The Lord is coming from His dwelling place to punish the inhabitants of the earth for their sins. Then the earth will show the blood shed on it and hide the slain no more.

Isaiah 25:9 On that Day, Your people will say: See, this is our God, we have waited for Him and He will deliver us, let us rejoice and exult in His deliverance.

Isaiah 25:1-3 God Almighty, You are my God, I shall praise You, for You have done wonderful things – long planned, certain and sure. You have turned cities into heaps of rubble, their houses swept away – never to be rebuilt. For this, many a cruel nation is in awe of You.

Isaiah 26:16-19 In our distress, Lord, we sought You out, chastened by the whisper of Your rebuke. As a woman with child cries out in her pains, so were we because of You, Lord. Our labour has been in vain, we achieved nothing for Your Land or people. But Your dead will live, those long dead who lay in the earth, will rise again, they will arise and shout for joy.

Isaiah 25:4-5 Truly, You have been a refuge to the poor and needy in their distress, their shelter from the tempest, shade from the heat. For the attack of the godless gets them nowhere and You silence the uproar of our enemies.

Isaiah 26:15 Lord, You have enlarged the nation and won honour for Yourself. You have extended all the frontiers of this country.

Isaiah 26:1-2 On that Day this song will be sung in Judah; We have a strong city – Open the gates, let a righteous nation enter, a people who kept the faith.
Reference: REB, NIV, KJV. Some verses abridged

The Lord’s hand of judgement is ready to strike, the fire reserved for Your enemies will consume them. Isaiah 66:15-16, Malachi 4:1, Revelation 6:12-17
for the attack of the godless gets them nowhere, The fulfilment of Psalms 83, Micah 4:11-12, Jeremiah 49:35-37

Whole cities are destroyed and those killed will lie unburied. Amos 1:1-15, Ezekiel 30:1-5, Jeremiah 9:22, Ezekiel 21:1-7, Isaiah 17:1

But the Lord will be a refuge for His righteous people. Psalms 62:5-8, Zephaniah 2:3

..shade from the heat, they; withdraw for a little while,– take shelter from the fire reserved for His enemies, a huge Coronal Mass Ejection fireball, that will destroy them. Isaiah 30:26-30, Proverbs 3:25-26, Zephaniah 3:8, 2 Peter 3:7

Then: a righteous nation [people group] enters, Matthew 21:43, into all of the holy Land area, as promised to the Patriarchs, by descent or grafted in by faith. Galatians 3:36-29
They will live in the new country of Beulah, all of the holy Land: in peace and prosperity. Isaiah 62:1-5, Isaiah 35:1-10, Ezekiel 34:11-31, Jeremiah 31:10-14, Isaiah 27:6, Ezekiel 28:24-26, Romans 9:24-26
They are all the faithful Christians from every race, nation and language, Isaiah 66:18b-21, Revelation 7:9, who will fulfill their destiny to be a light to the nations and His witnesses to the world. Isaiah 43:10-12, John 15:27, Isaiah 66:19, Isaiah 49:8

Your dead will rise again This happens later, Jesus will bring the souls of the dead martyrs with Him at His Return. Revelation 6:9-11, Revelation 20:4 and then, after the Millennium. all who have ever lived will stand before God in Judgement. Revelation 20:11-15 and those people found worthy; their names Written in the Book of Life, will receive immortality.

Hentenza · 2025-12-13T17:36:42-0600

jonojim1337 said:
Well the answer to your question that not following the shadow of former things is not a sin.

Also,

7So I became the shepherd of the flock doomed to be slaughtered by the sheep traders. And I took two staffs, one I named Favor, the other I named Union. And I tended the sheep. 8In one month I destroyed the three shepherds. But I became impatient with them, and they also detested me. 9So I said, “I will not be your shepherd. What is to die, let it die. What is to be destroyed, let it be destroyed. And let those who are left devour the flesh of one another.” 10And I took my staff Favor, and I broke it, annulling the covenant that I had made with all the peoples. 11So it was annulled on that day, and the sheep traders, who were watching me, knew that it was the word of the LORD. 12Then I said to them, “If it seems good to you, give me my wages; but if not, keep them.” And they weighed out as my wages thirty pieces of silver. 13Then the LORD said to me, “Throw it to the potter”—the lordly price at which I was priced by them. So I took the thirty pieces of silver and threw them into the house of the LORD, to the potter. 14Then I broke my second staff Union, annulling the brotherhood between Judah and Israel.

This is irrelevant regarding my question to the other poster. Nothing in my question about shadows.

jonojim1337 · 2025-12-13T17:32:28-0600

Hentenza said:
What does that mean? My question was for the other poster because their church follows the dietary laws.

Well the answer to your question that not following the shadow of former things is not a sin.

Also,

7So I became the shepherd of the flock doomed to be slaughtered by the sheep traders. And I took two staffs, one I named Favor, the other I named Union. And I tended the sheep. 8In one month I destroyed the three shepherds. But I became impatient with them, and they also detested me. 9So I said, “I will not be your shepherd. What is to die, let it die. What is to be destroyed, let it be destroyed. And let those who are left devour the flesh of one another.” 10And I took my staff Favor, and I broke it, annulling the covenant that I had made with all the peoples. 11So it was annulled on that day, and the sheep traders, who were watching me, knew that it was the word of the LORD. 12Then I said to them, “If it seems good to you, give me my wages; but if not, keep them.” And they weighed out as my wages thirty pieces of silver. 13Then the LORD said to me, “Throw it to the potter”—the lordly price at which I was priced by them. So I took the thirty pieces of silver and threw them into the house of the LORD, to the potter. 14Then I broke my second staff Union, annulling the brotherhood between Judah and Israel.

keras · 2025-12-13T17:31:24-0600

eclipsenow said:
"And on that day,' declares the Lord God, 'I will make the sun go down at noon and darken the earth in broad daylight.'"

This phenomena is Prophesied several times. Joel 2:30, Amos 8:9, Acts 2:20, Psalms 18:7-15but the one which tells us when it will happen is Revelation 6:12.
At the Sixth Seal Day of worldwide destruction, when all of the Holy Land will be cleared and cleansed. Deuteronomy 32:34-43
The Prophecy of Zephaniah 2:4 is another clear statement of Gods intentions; how the ungodly peoples will be uprooted at noon time; on the Day of the Lords anger.

eclipsenow said:
Celestial signs as God's outworking in human geopolitical matters

What pretentious tripe!
I stand by how if a Prophecy can be literally fulfilled, then it will be.

timothyu · 2025-12-13T17:27:15-0600

SarahsKnight said:
In other words, he's smartening up and actually checking the Scriptures for himself rather than just listening to popular doctrine and parroting their mantras.

Yes, bucking the establishment

jonojim1337 · 2025-12-13T17:23:46-0600

Hans Blaster said:
The House of Representatives doesn't have any "lictors" as it isn't ancient Rome. Please start talking sense.

That’s why we’re gonna have a conflict of interest.

Hentenza · 2025-12-13T17:23:33-0600

SabbathBlessings said:
So now you’re going to admit it’s the Baptist manual? Looks like he was coming around to God’s Truth by the quotes I posted from him.

I never denied that it was. I said that we do not use it. You have to deal with reality not what you thought.

.Mikha'el. · 2025-12-13T17:23:06-0600

DragonFox91 said:
We are working so many hours at work. I like it. The Bible says you are supposed to be working. (God is always working, he never stops. When I was younger, I thought that just meant like he's keeping the world going, but it's much deeper then that)
& when I don't like these hours, I think back to a long time ago I wanted a job so much & not having one made me really sad.

I am struggling wanting to be married a bit right now too. Last night I was watching a video about declining marriage / birth rates in Japan. My opinion is it's not b/c people don't want to be married. I wonder what really changed tho? Also sometimes they paint it as a 'crisis' too. My opinion is the Bible says it's not based on getting married.

It's not always easy to be single. I think all unattached people go through periods of real struggle with loneliness. It almost destroyed me in my 20s. I must have driven the rest of the Singles forum crazy with my whining about it, lol.

SarahsKnight · 2025-12-13T17:22:43-0600

timothyu said:
That's ok. He is also taking heat for no longer believing in the Left Behind series also.

In other words, he's smartening up and actually checking the Scriptures for himself rather than just listening to popular doctrine and parroting their mantras.

Always in His Presence · 2025-12-13T17:22:26-0600

Akita Suggagaki said:
Do you endorse and support everything Trump says and does?

No

Nordic think everything he does has an ulterior or evil motive.

Open thread on the subject and I’ll jump in.

Goonie · 2025-12-13T17:22:08-0600

ThatRobGuy said:
In September, the commission chair clarified during a public meeting of the NCPC that the approval process is only required for construction, not demolition or site preparation work.

Given that Clark Construction is handling the construction work, and Shalom Baranes is handling the architectural designs and plans

Federal | Shalom Baranes Associates, Architects

These buildings feature innovative responses to vital programmatic needs, integrating sustainability and security measures that meet current Federal standards.

www.sbaranes.com

(they've done design work for the Pentagon, Treasury Building, and Red Cross historic headquarters)

I think it's pretty safe to say that they know what they're doing.

Shalom Baranes Associates won the American Institute of Architects' Institute Honor Award for Regional and Urban Design for their design for Burnham Place,[3] a $7 billion development of the air rights over the Amtrak and CSX railway tracks behind the Washington Union Station railway terminal.[4]

The firm is also the architect for two apartment buildings which are part of the $1 billion CityCenterDC development. SBA also assisted with the master plan for the development.[5][6]

On December 4, 2025, it was announced that Shalom Baranes had been selected by President Donald Trump to pick up the design of the new White House State Ballroom that will replace the demolished East Wing of the White House complex.[7]

Cool, so wholly legit to demolish the residence without planning in order to build in proportion to the new east wing.

jonojim1337 · 2025-12-13T17:18:29-0600

SabbathBlessings said:
Two different rests and two different meanings. We enter Christ rest though faith, those who are disobedient to God do not enter Heb4:6 as we see with the Israelites during their trial and what they disobeyed Eze20:16 we are told not to follow Heb4:11

To enter into Christ rest one also (means they are doing something in addition) they also cease from their woks as God did from His Heb4:10, on the seventh day Heb4:4 Exo20:11 why there remains a Sabbath rest Heb4:9NIV and the Greek word here literally translates into Sabbath-keeping for the people of God.

Greek Word Verse Meaning
κατάπαυσις Heb 4:1 God’s rest / entering His rest
σαββατισμός Heb 4:9 Sabbath rest / Sabbath observance

And yet his works have been finished since the creation of the world. 4For somewhere he has spoken about the seventh day in these words: “On the seventh day God rested from all his works.” c 5And again in the passage above he says, “They shall never enter my rest.”

6Therefore since it still remains for some to enter that rest, and since those who formerly had the good news proclaimed to them did not go in because of their disobedience, 7God again set a certain day, calling it “Today.” This he did when a long time later he spoke through David, as in the passage already quoted:

“Today, if you hear his voice,
do not harden your hearts.” d
8For if Joshua had given them rest, God would not have spoken later about another day. 9There remains, then, a Sabbath-rest for the people of God; 10for anyone who enters God’s rest also rests from their works, e just as God did from his. 11Let us, therefore, make every effort to enter that rest, so that no one will perish by following their example of disobedience.

I don’t know what day you’re talking about that’s different from this and why it is of any concern. Whoever has entered His rest has ceased from his works.

Hentenza · 2025-12-13T17:16:37-0600

jonojim1337 said:
Shadow of former things

What does that mean? My question was for the other poster because their church follows the dietary laws.

Hentenza · 2025-12-13T17:14:52-0600

BobRyan said:
These sources continue to affirm all TEN even the SABBATH, they do grant some license to man's proclivity to edit God's law as Christ condemns that very tradition practice in Mark 7:7-13... yet man does so enjoy doing it.

Still they admit that all TEN remain... some folks won't even do that.

=========================================Westminster Confession of Faith 1646

http://www.reformed.org/documents/wcf_with_proofs/

Chapter 19. Of the Law of God.

19.1. God gave to Adam a law, as a covenant of works, by which he bound him and all his posterity to personal, entire, exact, and perpetual obedience; promised life upon the fulfilling, and threatened death upon the breach of it; and endued him with power and ability to keep it.

19.2. This law, after his Fall, continued to be a perfect rule of righteousness; and, as such, was delivered by God upon Mount Sinai in ten commandments, and written in two tables; the first four commandments containing our duty toward God, and the other six our duty to man.

19.3. Besides this law, commonly called moral, God was pleased to give to the people of Israel, as a Church under age, ceremonial laws, containing several typical ordinances, partly of worship, prefiguring Christ, his graces, actions, sufferings, and benefits; and partly holding forth divers instructions of moral duties. All such ceremonial laws are now abrogated under the New Testament.

19.4. To them also, as a body politic, he gave various judicial laws, which expired together with the state of that people, not obliging any other, now, further than the general equity of it may require.

19.5. The moral law forever binds all, as well justified persons as others, to obedience to it; and that not only in regard of the matter contained in it, but also in respect of the authority of God the Creator who gave it. Neither does Christ in the gospel in any way dissolve, but much strengthen, this obligation.

19.6. Although true believers are not under the law as a covenant of works, to be justified or condemned by it; yet is it of great use to them, as well as to others; in that, as a rule of life, informing them of the will of God and their duty, it directs and binds them to walk accordingly; discovering also the sinful pollutions of their nature, hearts, and lives; so as, examining themselves by it, they may come to further conviction of, humiliation for, and hatred against sin; together with a clearer sight of the need they have of Christ, and the perfection of his obedience. It is likewise of use to the regenerate, to restrain their corruptions, in that it forbids sin, and the threatenings of it serve to show what even their sins deserve, and what afflictions in this life they may expect for them, although freed from the curse of it threatened in the law. The promises of it, in like manner, show them God's approbation of obedience, and what blessings they may expect upon the performance of it; although not as due to them by the law as a covenant of works: so as a man's doing good, and refraining from evil, because the law encourages to the one, and deterres from the other, is no evidence of his being under the law, and not under grace.

19.7. Neither are the aforementioned uses of the law contrary to the grace of the gospel, but do sweetly comply with it: the Spirit of Christ subduing and enabling the will of man to do that freely and cheerfully, which the will of God, revealed in the law, requires to be done.

You still did not read what you posted. Read 19.6. The law of God is not necessary for salvation but it is profitable as I’ve always argued Given thst 9 of the commandments were repeated into Jesus two love commandments with Jesus fulfilling the 4th by becoming the Lord of the Sabbath and our Christian rest forever. Here is what the Westminster Confession of Faith says about the Sabbath In chapter 21 section 7.

“As it is of the law of nature, that, in general, a due proportion of time be set apart for the worship of God; so, in His Word, by a positive, moral, and perpetual commandment, binding all men in all ages, he hath particularly appointed one day in seven for a Sabbath, to be kept holy unto Him: which, from the beginning of the world to the resurrection of Christ, was the last day of the week; and, from the resurrection of Christ, was changed into the first day of the week, which in Scripture is called the Lord’s Day, and is to be continued to the end of the world as the Christian Sabbath.”

The Westminster Confession of Faith - Ligonier Ministries

CHAPTER 1 Of the Holy Scripture Although the light of nature, and the works of creation and providence, do so far manifest the goodness, wisdom, and power of G

learn.ligonier.org

The link that you posted is broken which tells me that you are copying your so called evidence from a website that gathered what they thought was a defense for the law and the sabbath but as you can see they failed.

Goonie · 2025-12-13T17:13:33-0600

ThatRobGuy said:
Would the reaction to this be the same had any other non-Trump president went down this path? ...just if you had to take a wild guess.

It seems as if (based on a few of the other posts), people seem to assume that because it was a Trump idea, that it's going to be the worst of everything.

To me, it feels like the inverse of the whole "Obama put in a basketball court" outrage.

Wow turning an existimg tennis court into a basketball court is soooooo comparable….Not!

jonojim1337 · 2025-12-13T17:09:58-0600

Hans Blaster said:
I don't know what your point is, for any of this.

I think the lictors are going to want their house back.

Goonie · 2025-12-13T17:06:37-0600

ThatRobGuy said:
They have their project portfolio on their website, and I've already listed several of them.

Everything from major stadiums, to modern buildings, to the Smithsonian National Air and Space Museum, to historic buildings in DC, to historic buildings at universities.

Do you think a multi-billion per year revenue construction company (that's done a lot of their work in DC) doesn't know about the DC planning/permit process?

If you peruse their portfolio, they've also done work for University of California buildings and the San Francisco municipal government (which is a state with a notoriously convoluted and extensive permitting and red-tape environment...so they've worked under tougher conditions)

That’s great now has the ballroom gone through any of the planning/permit process? No demolished without a set plan.

Dan Perez · 2025-12-13T17:02:07-0600

A New Dawn said:
Many scholars debate that the water baptism in verse 5 equals being born of a woman and born of the spirit is the baptism from above. He equates the two in the next verse. So I believe he is equating being born again as the spirit baptism (regeneration).

In. EPH 4:5. it reads ONE LORD , ONE FAITH , ONE BAPTSM. and HEIS in the GREEK MEANS ONE

# 1 THERE IS BAPTO

#2 THERE IS BAPTISMO

#3. THERE IS BAPTISM

#4. THERE IS BAPTIZING

#5 THERE IS BAPTISMA

# 6 THERE IS SPRINKING

# 7 THERE IS SO CALLED IMMERSION

# 8 RHER IS SUBMISSION

So . which. one is THE ONE BAPTISM. ??

dan p

Hentenza · 2025-12-13T17:00:55-0600

BobRyan said:
Notice that while these sources all affirm all TEN even the SABBATH, they do grant some license to man's proclivity to edit God's law as Christ condemns that very tradition practice in Mark 7:7-13... yet man does so enjoy doing it.

Still they admit that all TEN remain... some folks won't even do that.

=================================== from DL Moody's sermon on TEN Commandments

http://www.fbinstitute.com/moody/The_TenCommandments_Text.html

Fundamental Baptist Institute
http://www.fbinstitute.com/

THE TEN COMMANDMENTS
BY THE DWIGHT L. MOODY

The Ten Commandments:
Exodus 20:2-17

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The Fourth Commandment
Remember the Sabbath Day, to keep it holy. Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work: but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates: for in six days the LORD made heaven and Earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the Sabbath Day, and hallowed it.

THERE HAS BEEN an awful letting-down in this country regarding the Sabbath during the last twenty-five years, and many a man has been shorn of spiritual power, like Samson, because he is not straight on this question. Can you say that you observe the Sabbath properly? You may be a professed Christian: are you obeying this commandment? Or do you neglect the house of God on the Sabbath day, and spend your time drinking and carousing in places of vice and crime, showing contempt for God and His law? Are you ready to step into the scales? Where were you last Sabbath? How did you spend it?

I honestly believe that this commandment is just as binding today as it ever was. I have talked with men who have said that it has been abrogated, but they have never been able to point to any place in the Bible where God repealed it. When Christ was on earth, He did nothing to set it aside; He freed it from the traces under which the scribes and Pharisees had put it, and gave it its true place.

"The Sabbath was made for man, and not man for the Sabbath." (Mark 2:27)

It is just as practicable and as necessary for men today as it ever was- in fact, more than ever, because we live in such an intense age.

The Sabbath was binding in Eden, and it has been in force ever since. The fourth commandment begins with the word remember, showing that the Sabbath already existed when God wrote this law on the tables of stone at Sinai. How can men claim that this one commandment has been done away with when they will admit that the other nine are still binding?

I believe that the Sabbath question today is a vital one for the whole country. It is the burning question of the present time. If you give up the Sabbath the church goes; if you give up the church the home goes; and if the home goes the nation goes. That is the direction in which we are traveling.

The church of God is losing its power on account of so many people giving up the Sabbath, and using it to promote selfishness.

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HOW TO OBSERVE THE SABBATH

"Sabbath" means "rest," and the meaning of the word gives a hint as to the true way to observe the day. God rested after creation, and ordained the Sabbath as a rest for man. He blessed it and hallowed it. Remember the rest-day to keep it holy.
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Mr. Gladstone recently told a friend that the secret of his long life is that amid all the pressure of public cares he never forgot the Sabbath, with its rest for the body and the soul.

When I was a boy, the Sabbath lasted from sundown on Saturday to sundown on Sunday,
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Make the Sabbath a day of religious activity. First of all, of course, is attendance at public worship. "There is a discrepancy," says John McNeill, "between our creed about the Sabbath day and our actual conduct. In many families, at ten o'clock on the Sabbath, attendance at church is still an open question. There is no open question on Monday morning- 'John, will you go to work today.'"
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Someone has said that without the Sabbath, the Church of Christ could not, as a visible organization, exist on earth.
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Parents, if you want your children to grow up and honor you, have them honor the Sabbath day.

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SABBATH DESECRATION

Men seem to think they have a right to change the holy day into a holiday. The young have more temptations to break the Sabbath than we had forty years ago.

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PUNISHMENT OR BLESSING?

No nation has ever prospered that has trampled the Sabbath in the dust. Show me a nation that has done this and I will show you a nation that has got in it the seeds of ruin and decay. I believe that Sabbath desecration will carry a nation down quicker than anything else. Adam brought marriage and the Sabbath with him out of Eden, and neither can be disregarded without suffering. When the children of Israel went into the Promised Land, God told them to let their land rest every seven years, and He would give them as much in six years as in seven. For four hundred and ninety years they disregarded that law. But mark you, Nebuchadnezzar came and took them off into Babylon, and kept them seventy years in captivity, and the land had its seventy sabbaths of rest. Seven times seventy is four hundred and ninety. So they did not gain much by breaking this law. You can give God His day, or He will take it.

On the other hand, honoring the fourth commandment brings blessing:

"If thou turn away thy foot from the Sabbath, from doing thy pleasure on My holy day; and call the Sabbath a delight, the holy of the LORD, honourable; and shalt honour him, not doing thine own ways, nor finding thine own pleasure, nor speaking thine own words: then shalt thou delight thyself in the LORD; and I will cause thee to ride upon the high places of the earth, and feed thee with the heritage of Jacob thy father: for the mouth of the LORD hath spoken it." (Isaiah 58:13-14)

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? Hasn't the time come to call a halt if men want power with God? Let men call you narrow and bigoted, but be man enough to stand by God's law, and you will have power and blessing. That is the kind of Christianity we want just now in this country. Any man can go with the crowd, but we want men who will go against the current.

Sabbath-breaker, are you ready to step into the scales?

lol Do you not read what you posted? Moody considers Sunday to be the sabbath day not Saturday. In fact he argues that any day can be the sabbath day. Even as a boy his sabbath lasted from sundown saturday to sundown Sunday. You jumped some sentences that you did not post because they don’t help you.

1. CESSATION FROM SECULAR WORK

A man ought to turn aside from his ordinary employment one day in seven. There are many whose occupation will not permit them to observe Sunday, but they should observe some other day as a Sabbath. Saturday is my day of rest, because I generally preach on Sunday, and I look forward to it as a boy does to a holiday. God knows what we need.

WORKS OF NECESSITY AND OF EMERGENCY

In judging whether any work may or may not be lawfully done on the Sabbath, find out the reason and object for doing it. Exceptions are to be made for works of necessity and works of emergency. By “works of necessity” I mean those acts that Christ justified when He approved of leading one’s ox or ass to water. Watchmen, police, stokers on board steamers, and many others have engagements that necessitate their working on the Sabbath. By “works of emergency” I mean those referred to by Christ when He approved of pulling an ox or an ass out of a Pt on the Sabbath day. In case of fire or sickness a man is often called on to do things that would not otherwise be justifiable.

A Christian man was once urged by his employer to work on Sunday. “Does not your Bible say that if your ass falls into a pit on the Sabbath, you may pull him out?” “Yes,” replied the other; “but if the ass had the habit of falling into the same pit every Sabbath, I would either fill up the pit or sell the ass.”

NECESSARY AND BENEFICIAL

The good effect on a nation’s health and happiness produced by the return of the Sabbath, with its cessation from work, cannot be overestimated. It is needed to repair and restore the body after six days of work. It is proved that a man can do more in six days than in seven. Lord Beacons field said: “Of all divine institutions, the most divine is that which secures a day of rest for man. I hold it to be the most valuable blessing conceded to man. It is the cornerstone of all civilization, and its removal might affect even the health of the people.”

Mr. Gladstone recently told a friend that the secret of his long life is that amid all the pressure of public cares he never forgot the Sabbath, with its rest for the body and the soul. The constitution of the United States protects the president in his weekly day of rest. He has ten days, “Sundays excepted,” in which to consider a bill that has been sent to him for signature. Every workingman in the republic ought to be as thoroughly protected as the president. If workingmen got up a strike against unnecessary work on the Sabbath, they would have the sympathy of a good many.

Even the president gets Sundays off when considering a bill.

The Ten Commandments - IV by D.L. Moody | The Jesus Site

Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy.

www.jesussite.com

This one is a miss for you.

timothyu · 2025-12-13T16:55:57-0600

Ain't Zwinglian said:
A great diagnostic question

Amalgam. We were built hybrids, flesh and spirit.. The choice of which nature to follow was also built in. A&E took the lead in making that choice when they followed their fleshy instinct to serve self instead of the spirit of God. Self became their god. I doubt God expected any different, combining two opposing wills. Is not understanding the result of learning rather than following and memorizing/mimicking? It's not like other creatures who follow self with no other option, being flesh. We need to learn how best to use this new concept. Its not like God hasn't continually told us how, but of course being focused on self, we'd rather find our own way. Good luck with that.

LizaMarie · 2025-12-13T16:54:18-0600

probinson said:
Fear not. The health insurance companies are more than happy to continue covering this vaccine dose, despite there being no evidence of benefit to low-risk children.

Parents will still be able to get the hepatitis B vaccine for their children at no cost even though the US Centers for Disease and Control Prevention’s vaccine advisers recommended a major change to the immunization practice.

https://www.cnn.com/2025/12/07/health/hepatitis-b-vaccine-insurance-coverage

You know what I find really odd about this story? They say this:

The revised recommendation calls for mothers who test negative for the virus to consult with a doctor or other health care provider before having their babies vaccinated. This could create confusion and place additional hurdles in front of parents and result in fewer children being immunized.

So the new recommendation is, consult with your physician. Not don't get it. Not, it's harmful. Not any of the other nonsense the media has portrayed. Simply "consult with your physician". Apparently, people believe that consulting with your physician about medical interventions could create "confusion".

That statement is astounding. But it's not really all that surprising. If you've followed COVID and the vaccines that followed, it always made sense to "consult with your physician". But to avoid "confusion", they decided that they should just "recommend" it to everyone.

These recommendations are not evidence-based. They are based on convenience. What a weird place we've arrived at where simply recommending one to consult their physician before making a decision is now deemed "confusing".

Things really went south with COVID, I blame Trump who bungled it at first, to Biden who mandated the COVID vaccines. As someone else upthread said Covid got really politicized on both sides. I don't think the vaccines should have been mandated, and they were rushed out too fast. So while probably generally safe, people could be excused for not trusting them. I have not had a Covid shot or booster in almost 3 years and don't plan to for awhile.
Polio, MMR and DTAP and Hep B vaccines however have years of proven safety records, and are far safer than the diseases they prevent. Of course there are people who can't tolerate vaccines. I have a friend who can't take any vaccines.

jonojim1337 · 2025-12-13T16:53:17-0600

Hans Blaster said:
What?

You don’t know about the lictors?

Greek Word	Verse	Meaning
κατάπαυσις	Heb 4:1	God’s rest / entering His rest
σαββατισμός	Heb 4:9	Sabbath rest / Sabbath observance

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