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Nothing of what you said can be confirmed by independent sources and we have already established that lasers can bounce off plasma which is the flat earth alternative.
The only thing that you have established is that you believe all of the garbage posted in social media.

Here is an academic source regarding the reflectors on the moon.

The second research goal fo the LUNAR team is to probe the interior structure of the Moon using accurate measurments of the Earth-Moon distance using small retro-reflectors placed on the lunar surface. Several reflectors are already sitting on the Moon, placed by Apollo astronauts and Soviet lunar landers. However, the technology is 40 years old, and significant scientific improvments can be made with newer, more accurate reflectors.​


Composition of the moon:

“The crust of the moon is made up of a rocky surface covered with regolith. As asteroids and meteorites collide with the surface, they blast it into fine pieces that capture imprints (such as Neil Armstrong's famous footprint) in exceptional detail.


The crust of the moon is about 38 to 63 miles (60 to 100 kilometers) thick. The regolith on the surface can be as shallow as 10 feet (3 meters) in the maria or as deep as 66 feet (20 meters) in the highlands.”


The moon is not plasma.
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Charlie Kirk Didn’t Shy Away From Who He Was. We Shouldn’t, Either

That's only because Biden didn't have a second term
Trump's first term, he had lower approval than Biden's term.

Donald Trump's presidential approval rating stood at only 45 percent after 100 days in office, the lowest among recent presidents. The only lower score listed by Gallup was achieved by Trump in his first term. Then, his approval was only at 41 percent after 100 days. In comparison, Joe Biden - also considered a rather unpopular U.S. president - scores higher
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He doesn't get the idea

Just tell him you are not interested in pursuing a relationship. Sometimes you need to be polite, yet blunt. Your brother needs to stop being a dishonest milksop. Because that seems to be the problem in the end.
Agreed. He needs to be told you are not interested in him or Islam and that you’re very happy being a Catholic. He’ll probably try to keep talking so thats when you say that you‘re done talking to him and that you’re hanging up. Then say “goodbye” and hang up even if he’s still talking, which he likely will be. I have to do this all the time with the incessant calls we get from telephone solicitors. And if he calls again, do the same thing.
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Does Open Carry Cause Problems?

Moving the thumb up to deactivate the safety is just dumb engineering. I don't mind a gun with a manual safety; I trained on Cold 1911 pistols. The pistols I use now have the same kind of manual safeties as the 1911. But that's a naturally engineered safety designed for fast combat operation: The thumb moves downward, closing onto the fingers, which is the thumb's most natural and strongest motion. Raising the thumb is contrary to the design of the thumb...bad engineering.
No I'm pretty sure that thumbs are equally designed to move both up and down. I mean you do have to raise your thumb up before you can push the safety lever down right? So in both designs you have to move your thumb up then down to turn off the safety.
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The End Time Puzzle

It is good that we share what each of us feels, thinks and believes about the time of the Second Coming. But more important and above all our ideas and calculations is what God has revealed on this matter. I think (I accept that I may be wrong!) that God has revealed the following order of things:
- Persian Empire (see Daniel 8: 3,4) --> Greek Empire (see Daniel 8: 5-7) --> Diadochi (see Daniel 8: 8) --> „little horn“ – King Antiochus IV Epiphanes (see Daniel 8: 9-12) --> conversation between two holy beings about the cleansing of the sanctuary for 2300 years (see Daniel 8: 13,14); the miracle of the cleansing of the sanctuary by the Maccabees – on December 22, 165 BC + 2300 years later – Saturday, December 22, 2136 AD (see Revelation 1: 10) --> 9 months later – great sign in heaven, around - Saturday, September 21, 2137 (see Revelation 12: 1,2) --> 1260 days (3.5 years or 42 months) later (see Daniel 12: 7 and Revelation 12: 14; 13: 5) – until the Spring of 2141 --> the first new moon after the vernal equinox for the Jews determined the beginning of the New Year – in 2141, the first new moon after the vernal equinox would have fallen to be seen on – Saturday, April 8, 2141 --> 75 days later (see Daniel 12: 11,12) the day of the summer solstice is reached – Thursday, June 22, 2141 (see Revelation 19: 11-21) [- if there were no shortening of days (see Matthew 24: 22) it would have to fall on - Saturday, September 23, 2141] --> „the thousand years“ (see Revelation 20: 2) --> the final end of evil (see Revelation 20: 7-10).

P.S. - In this presented timeline, the risky judgments are highlighted.
Even Jesus did not know the day and hour of the second advent. He said that only the FATHER knows. Theories are OK as long as we do not make them doctrine. Christ returns early to stop the tribulation else no one would be left alive. The two witnesses, after being killed, are resurrected 3 1/2 days later and rise up into the air to meet the returning Jesus. I would think that at that time , when they are killed, we, if alive, will know that in 3 1/2 days Jesus returns. When the antichrist signs a covenant with 10 nations this begins the countdown of the final “week” and at the midpoint of that week 1260 days into it, antichrist defiles the temple, as Paul said, declaring himself GOD. This event is the beginning of the great tribulation that is cut short for the sake of the elect, who are the church, and this indicates the church is still on Earth at the time of the great tribulation but is protected from this hour of trial that comes upon the whole earth. Revelation 3:10 Jesus was only involved with the earth twice, during his fleshy existence and second when he returns in glory. Hebrews 9:28 verifies this. Also in his prayer to the FATHER in John 17:5 Jesus specifically asked his FATHER to not take the church out of the world. The rapture theory began in 1830 by a Scottish woman , Margaret Macdonald, it was then popularized by a preacher, John Nelson Darby. If Christ re in secret before the tribulation this would be his third interaction with the earth when Hebrews 9:28 limits his appearances to only two times, his life on earth and the second advent. The confusion seems to come from making how we meet Jesus in the air with the second advent, making two separate occurrences rather than just one. The church rises up to meet the Christ at his return, not at some time beforehand. Certain scriptures are misused and misinterpreted to develop this rapture theory. This Macdonald woman and false preacher Darby literally invented the rapture from their own carnal minds.
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Charlie Kirk Didn’t Shy Away From Who He Was. We Shouldn’t, Either

The only president who was less popular than Trump at this point in his second term? Richard Nixon, who had an approval rating of -36 points just a few months before he resigned from office. “Anywhere you look this is the second-worst for a president of either party in their second term dating all the way back since the 1940s,”

Seems like most Americans have concluded the same thing about Drowsy Don.
That's only because Biden didn't have a second term
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RFK Adjusts Hepatitis B Vaccine Recommendations; Democrats Lose Their Minds

24 hours after birth. The problem as explained to me is that people can be silent carriers of the virus which can be passed through breaks in the skin such as scrapes, scratches and minor cuts. Infants who get infected are at high risk for liver cancer, cirrhosis of the liver and chronic liver problems. Unless everyone who is going to handle the baby is tested, then it is unknown what the actual risk is. The risk of the vaccine versus infection is heavily weighted towards the infection.
No, you aren't a 'silent carrier', you're infected or your not. And again, all major European countries wait until 2 months or more (some even wait until adolescence)
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RFK Adjusts Hepatitis B Vaccine Recommendations; Democrats Lose Their Minds

So what is the advantage to delaying the shot? Do you even know? Or is it just the vague conclusion you came to that it is "something they don't need"? What problems do you think giving them the shot earlier is causing? And do you have any evidence for those claims?

Meanwhile... it sounds like there are significant benefits to not waiting:

First, about 15 percent of women in the United States don’t receive first-trimester screening for hepatitis B virus. Indeed, among developed world nations, the United States is one of the worst in assuring pre-natal screening.
Second, like all screening tests, detection of hepatitis B virus isn’t perfect. About 5 percent of those who are infected are missed by the screening test. In other words, the test can be falsely reassuring.
Third, because the screening test is performed in the first trimester, mothers can still be infected in the second or third trimester.
Fourth, and this is the big one, only half of the 30,000 children less than 10 years of age in 1991 had acquired the disease from their mother! The rest were infected from relatively casual contact with people who were chronically infected with hepatitis B virus, most of whom didn’t know they were infected. (This is why hepatitis B is called “The Silent Epidemic”.)


The advantage is not overloading the newborn infant's system with a vaccine that has known cases of harm and even death, when it is not needed at that time. Europe seems to understand the advantage of delaying the shot, as almost every country in Europe (as well as places like New Zealand and Japan) already do delay the shot to 2 or more months after birth in children whose mothers do not have Hep B
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B flat B♭

They did indeed. Tell me, how did the laser reflectors still in use today get there? How did the lower portions of six lunar landers get there? How about six American flags?
Nothing of what you said can be confirmed by independent sources and we have already established that lasers can bounce off plasma which is the flat earth alternative.
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For those who are gamers, how do you handle Christian Ethics vs gaming?

That scripture didn't elude me. I did say God fights righteous war, but that doesn't make him a God of war.
He is called a God of peace Philippians 4:9. He engages in war in order to bring peace. Armageddon is the war to bring peace on earth, and there is a final war after the 1,000 year reign of Christ.

He judges and makes war :expressionless:
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Well Hentenza of course they never got roasted. Because none of them astronauts went to the moon.
They did indeed. Tell me, how did the laser reflectors still in use today get there? How did the lower portions of six lunar landers get there? How about six American flags?
No radiation sickness either you say.. well that should tell you something ain’t right that’s if you start to question of course.
That tells me that the calculations of the trajectory as well as the speed were correct.
Your father worked on the Mercury and Apollo programs. I doubt you not but nether the less projects were massive and like many your father was just another cog in the wheel when comes to the entirely of plan
He was part of the team that designed the legs of the lunar lander. He followed all of the performance data of six lunar landings and made necessary changes after each one if needed. So, yes he was one of the many but one that had direct access to the raw data so not just another cog on the wheel.
Yes we have discussed before and we disagree.
Because you have chosen to follow the falsehoods of conspiracy theorists.
I guess we’ll know for sure who is right and who is wrong come 2027 with the Artemis venture to the moon. If it the moon landing is postponed again for another few years . Then that should tell you something . That being that man never went to the moon all those decades ago
We know now. We don’t have to wait but am sure that your conspiracy pals will come up with some nonsense even as the Artemis mission is happening.
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For those who are gamers, how do you handle Christian Ethics vs gaming?

I’m surprised you’re not aware of Exodus 15:3.
That scripture didn't elude me. I did say God fights righteous war, but that doesn't make him a God of war.
He is called a God of peace Philippians 4:9. He engages in war in order to bring peace. Armageddon is the war to bring peace on earth, and there is a final war after the 1,000 year reign of Christ.
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Tim Pool Shot At

Maybe it was one of his former Russian backers wanting his money back.

lol, Mike Flynn (speaking of people with Russian backers) complaining about divisiveness and people manufacturing crises... classic
What exactly is a "Russian backer", and what's your beef with them?
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The astronauts did not get roasted by the Van Allen belt. I posted the total rad exposure a while back in this thread and non of the astronauts died of radiation related illnesses. We landed on the moon Kathleen. I know that for a fact. As I told you before my father in law worked for the mercury and Apollo programs and I worked for Boeing in components for the shuttle in the early 80’s.
Well Hentenza of course they never got roasted. Because none of them astronauts went to the moon. No radiation sickness either you say.. well that should tell you something ain’t right that’s if you start to question of course. Your father worked on the Mercury and Apollo programs. I doubt you not but nether But the projects were massive and like many your father was just another cog in the wheel when comes to the entirely of the plan Yes we have discussed before and we disagree. I guess we’ll know for sure who is right and who is wrong come 2027 with the Artemis venture to the moon. If the moon landing is postponed again for another few years . Then that should tell you something . That being that man never went to the moon all those decades ago
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Is there a Christian political philosophy?

The real problem is people in general. Even the holiest of us will be imperfect relative to God. So some degree of corruption or compromise will always prevail here on this earth. But does that mean we should just give up and isolate ourselves?

Humans are both individual and social beings. Our relationship with God is individual but also corporate as the Body, with a unity, also yet imperfect in this life, that we were created to have.

So do we ignore injustice in this world, or, alternatively, simply depend on the goodwill of believers to somehow prevent or rectify injustices? Or, instead, does a just socieity unite together under some model of government and legislate against immoral behavior such as, say murder? Or against the excesses that capitalists might go to maximize profits, including the exploitation of labor, creation of monopolies, etc? Anyway, as long as people are involved there can be no perfect political or governmental system; they're all compromises that we must nonetheless use in order to promote the common good, hopefully guided by Christian principles to the best we can.

Well again, since Christ did say to give to Caesar that which is Caesar’s, then that’s how I expect Christians to solve politics. Of course there is some confusion as to who is actually Caesar, but that’s just coming from ignorance.
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