jonojim1337 said:

The ten commandments were given to the Israelites under the covenant of Abraham. That covenant no longer exists. It has been fulfilled.



No one has changed anything. We are still expected to enter the day that God rested.

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Constantine changed the day of rest / worship from the seventh day to the 1st day. The Roman Church went right along with it, begin to call it the Lord's Day and most churches throughout the centuries have followed suit.

Sunday | Rest, Worship, Reflection | Britannica
Sunday | Rest, Worship, Reflection | Britannica

The Israelites were supposed to be an example to the world. God made the Covenant with Abraham that all nations through him would be blessed.
Genesis 22:18 And through your offspring all nations of the earth will be blessed, because you have obeyed My voice." Genesis 22:18 - The Sacrifice Averted
The Abraham Covenant is still in force.

BobRyan said:

AI goes to post NT traditions and non Bible sources to try and figure that one out.

Interesting help from the Catholic Church explains why AI can not find any commands for Sunday keeping in the actual New Testament.

The Faith Explained (an RC commentary on the Baltimore catechism post Vatican ii) states on Page 242 that
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"we know that in the O.T it was the seventh day of the week - the Sabbath day - which was observed as the Lord's day. that was the law as God gave it...'remember to keep holy the Sabbath day.. the early Christian church determined as the Lord's day the first day of the week. That the church had the right to make such a law is evident...

changing the Lord's day to Sunday was in the power of the church since "in the gospels ..Jesus confers upon his church the power to make laws in his name".


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"nothing is said in the bible about the change of the Lord's day From Saturday to Sunday. We know of the change only from the tradition of the Church - a fact handed down to us...that is why we find so illogical the attitude of many Non-Catholics, who say that they will believe nothing unless they can find it in the bible and Yet will continue to keep Sunday as the Lord's day on the say-so of the Catholic church"

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I agree

Because a scripture says on the first day of the week Paul met and prayed / preached, does not mean he did this every first day of the week.

And besides Christians were persecuted by the Romans, they were persecuted by the Jews and they met often whenever they could, in any house they could.

Paul kept the Sabbath / as it is written, "as was his custom"
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Constantine change the day of rest / and worship from the seventh day to the first day. And their Church accepted it.

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Brightfame52 said:

Christ part is to give, cause repentance

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Paul said in (Gal. 6 (v.3) For if a man think himself to be something, when he is nothing, he deceiveth himself. (v.4) But let every man prove his own work, and then shall he have rejoicing in himself alone, and not in another.

The book says let every man prove his own work, and if your work is good then you will rejoice in it.

(v.5) For every man shall bear his own burden. That’s right; every man must bear his own burden. You mean you thought that all you had to do was confess the name of Jesus and that was it? Brothers and sisters you must work to get salvation. (v.7) Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap. God is not to be played with. Whatsoever you plant, that’s what you are going to reap. Be it good works unto eternal life, or evil works unto eternal damnation. The choice is yours, and your works belong to you.

While it is obvious that a Moslem terrorist cell was behind this massacre, it was another Moslem who tackled the gunman. He was also wounded twiice himself.

BREAKING: HERO! The man who bravely stopped mass shooting at a Hannukah event in Australia has been identified as a Muslim man, Ahmed al-Ahmed.

He’s a fruit shop owner who has no experience with guns, but he risked his life to save others, and ended up taking a bullet in the leg for his trouble.

While Donald Trump and conservatives all over the world demonize immigrants, Muslims, and people who aren’t white Christians, al-Ahmed’s acts is a powerful reminder of the good that immigration brings; that there are good people everywhere who will risk their lives in order to protect a stranger, and that Donald Trump and Stephen Miller are nothing but vicious liars who incite this kind of violence with their disgusting racism.

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I dont' think the Australian government will change its policy on a Palestinian state, even if Netanyahu and Herzog don't like it.

One of the reasons for the alleged rise in anti-Semitism (which in its vilurent form is mostly Moslem based anyway) has been at least partly due to the public perception of Israel's heavy handed treatement of the Palestinians. They carried out their own massacres, although Hamas has a lot to answer for. Jewish settlers have been taking Palestinian properties for years.

Do I think there will be a quick solution? No. As my old pastor said to me once, although he was speaking hyperbolically, that's going to be a problem for the next 300 years (Israel - Middle East confrontation).

He also posed another hypothetical scenario - "Suppose there is an Arab statesman who does a bit of fence building with his mates. Then they say to the West 'Right boys, either you get Israel out of there or we turn off the taps (oil)'."

He continued "We'd all be broke in a week".

We get most of our oil from the Middle East even if it is refined elsewhere.

Netanyahu and Herzog don't determine our foreign policy.

Peace be with you!

Unqualified said:

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here is our back yard and the neighbors. A rare photo I got from my wife. It was too cold to go out and spend much time, about 0 degrees Celsius. Looks kind of neat and we were all rejoicing. It was when our daughter was still alive. Surprisingly the yard is still short cut. And I think we had a fire that day, in the fireplace.

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A lot of people have fire pits out doors to extend our backyard season. We have a propane fire table and roll-up awning and it is nice to sit out on a cool evening. 0 C is about our limit for sitting outside. Speaking of which, if it is clear this week, there are a couple days meteor showers are supposed to be visible. I'm uncertain it will stop snowing long enough. LOL.

BTW, I bought a bit of a rough project gun at an auction, really rough British Fouling Piece, single barrel, 20 ga. I'm going to clean it up with the intent to get it shooting, but if it is not good enough, it will make a wall hanger:

truthuprootsevil said:

The Ten Commandments were laws written by God himself.

The Ten Commandments are apart of the mosaic laws the basis of the mosaic laws but separate from the mosaic laws.

Ceremonial laws such as rituals, purities priesthood, sacrifices, festivals, High/special Sabbath, (which is separate from The Seventh-Day Sabbath of God's commandment) and civil and judicial laws are the laws the gentiles may not be subject to.

God said remember the Sabbath and keep it holy.

And to say that we're no longer under the law of the Sabbath you might as well say we are no longer under any of the Ten Commandments. To deny one is to deny all.

And if you want to refer to the new Commandments that is translated Jesus gave; those two Commandments are directly linked to the Ten Commandments: loving God, which is the first four of the Ten Commandments and loving your neighbor, which is the next six. They are not truly new Commandments, just shortened and simplified.

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The ten commandments were given to the Israelites under the covenant of Abraham. That covenant no longer exists. It has been fulfilled.

truthuprootsevil said:

God knew what would happen, that man would change his Seventh-Day Sabbath to the first day, thus he said remember!

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No one has changed anything. We are still expected to enter the day that God rested.

trophy33 said:

Premises:
1. The Sabbath was a part of the Mosaic Law and of the Mosaic Law only.
2. The Law was only for Jews, since Moses till Christ.
3. Even the book of Genesis was a theological part of the Mosaic Law and is not literal (namely in its creation account).

If these premises are all true, we are not supposed to keep the Sabbath.

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The Ten Commandments were laws written by God himself.

The Ten Commandments are apart of the mosaic laws the basis of the mosaic laws but separate from the mosaic laws.

Ceremonial laws such as rituals, purities priesthood, sacrifices, festivals, High/special Sabbath, (which is separate from The Seventh-Day Sabbath of God's commandment) and civil and judicial laws are the laws the gentiles may not be subject to.

God said remember the Sabbath and keep it holy.

And to say that we're no longer under the law of the Sabbath you might as well say we are no longer under any of the Ten Commandments. To deny one is to deny all.

And if you want to refer to the new Commandments that is translated Jesus gave; those two Commandments are directly linked to the Ten Commandments: loving God, which is the first four of the Ten Commandments and loving your neighbor, which is the next six. They are not truly new Commandments, just shortened and simplified.

God knew what would happen, that man would change his Seventh-Day Sabbath to the first day, thus he said remember!

And let's not forget Hebrew Israelite Jews were supposed to be an example to all people of the Earth, decreed by God.
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Mission in the Old Testament: Israel as a Light to the Nations - The Gospel Coalition Mission in the Old Testament: Israel as a Light to the Nations

JulieB67 said:

I took a look at it. His argument about the fate of the wicked in the OT is way off. For example his talking about the "vanishing away, etc" is about earthly death. Which makes no sense at all because righteous people die earthly deaths as well. So what would be the point in stating that about the wicked? God is making a point that the wicked will perish.

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Aaaaaand winner.

civilwarbuff said:

Sounds as if the D's are willing to partner up with criminals in order to win elections. Isn't that something that can be prosecuted under RICO statutes?

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Whereas the Rs prefer to do their own criming themselves?

linux.poet said:

Continuing to produce non-sequiturs does not support the argument produced by previous non-sequitors. The human mind is fully capable of making things up and stating endless unrelated matters to avoid swallowing one’s ego and ending an otherwise unproductive argument.

Since I believe the authority of the Scripture to be superior to that of history, I see no need to continue shuffling grains of sand. The matter of submission to the Word of God as revealed in the Scripture must be learned, and continuing to entertain an argument against what is clearly stated by Our Lord in Romans 13:2 is throwing pearls to pigs. I have made my point. May the Lord show the truth to those who do not believe His Word, and would mock it.

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I think the Scripture is pretty clear on this point. Two wrongs don’t make a right.

I don't know that I have answers to those questions, but I thought you might appreciate this artwork:


Virgin Mary and Eve
Crayon and pencil drawing by Sr Grace Remington, OCSO
© 2005, Sisters of the Mississippi Abbey.

Greetings Michie,
Thank you for your valuable thoughts on this. We have had similar discussions and similar conclusions in our own groups, agreed with you above all on the emphasis on moving with caution in regions where missionaries and churches may face persecution, and even more so to make sure the growth of the church in such regions is as organic and indigenously driven as possible. So that it arises naturally and in harmony with the surrounding community, without any trace of being pressed upon from the outside. This in fact has come to define most of our missions in the MENA region. (Middle East and North Africa)

We are largely based in the US and broader North America and Oceania, and generally do not send missionaries or prepare ministries directly from our countries in origin to go to MENA countries. Instead, our most successful and well received missions have been sparked by individuals originally from those countries, who had migrated to Europe but converted to follow the Gospels, and then went back home on their own initiative to found churches. The key difference here, besides of course deep knowledge of the local cultures, languages and customs, is the voluntary nature of the missions in this form, and proceeding at a pace that is natural and organic. Instead of being imposed from the outside, our missionaries in this case, of their own initiative, had moved from for ex. Turkey, Syria, Iraq, Algeria, Tunisia, Lebanon or Afghanistan to European countries, this of course dispels accusations of impositions from the outside since these individuals came to Christian countries in the West on their own.

In their new environments, millions then embrace the love and Good News of the Gospel in Christian lands, converting and leading church movements of their own--coming to us, instead of us going to them--and then again of their own will, return back to their home MENA countries, open churches and preach to the locals. This is a reason why our entire missions efforts in the US have been heavily focussed and re-centered upon the European missions, not only to rebuild and build new churches in Europe (and help to feed the spiritual hunger of esp younger generations returning to the flock). But also because we have a unique, once in a millennium historic opportunity to indirectly, and effectively bring the Gospel to the MENA region in a way we could not do directly ourselves. If we try direct missions ourselves, we are often seen as interlopers from the West due to the complicated history of contact in the region, not to mention all the challenges of language, culture and social relationships there. In Europe, however, when we come from America or Australia to worship and raise our families in EU nations, we are simply returning to the lands and planting roots in the lands of our own ancestors, and there are able to preach and help convert migrants from MENA countries, who are mostly there anyway as temporary refugees or workers heading back home after some years.

We are therefore, simply ministering to them in the native faith of historically Christian countries, removing any indication of cultural imposition on their homelands from the outside. They therefore become emissaries of the faith in their own lands when they return to MENA, connecting to ancient Christian traditions in the MENA region as well but doing so with a sensitivity and awareness of the modern context. They are able to find a "sweet spot" as one of my own fellow ministers has termed it, often syncretic elements of the church and local Muslim traditions but ultimately, still staying true to the Word of the Lord, providing Bibles in the local languages and maintaining their own churches in ways that are in harmony with local customs. And they do at their own pace, and with the full support and communication with the local peoples.

This is a good base principle for our missions anywhere, to proceed organically and with sensitivity, and to help the church plant true roots that in harmony with the community. The Berber Christian growth and revival across North Africa, and the new Syrian and Turkish churches especially have benefitted greatly from this approach. But it is a good guiding system especially in any regions where ministers might face persecution or more to the point, where local countries may feel threatened and recoil at a perceived imposition, as you have well described. Paul himself was well aware of the importance of indigenous missionaries, and in being sensitive to local sentiments and concerns. And thus it is often best to avoid grand announcements or open statements of ambition, and to instead proceed calmly and sensitively. Thank you for raising this important topic.

Today's weather will be mild here, but for Thursday they're predicting a temp of about 39 Celsius (102 Fahrenheit).

NewLifeInChristJesus said:

I had a feeling we were on the same page.

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We definitely are, great reply!

Valletta said:

The Biden administration pushed as much toward a completely open border as they could get away with. Letting in 10 to 20 million people swamped our resources, the human trafficking skyrocketed to a level of slavery not seen since the civil war, 31% of the women who made the trip were sexually assaulted, only some of the children that went missing (62,000) have been rescued by this administration, many of them were in forced labor or sexual slavery, unvetted illegal criminals have committee horrible violent crimes, and more.

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I don't see how that is possible being as we only have approximately 20M undocumented aliens total, accumulated. Where in the world do you get your figures?

NxNW said:

Your math doesn't math.

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That's not even English.

I've said my piece. You've said yours. Unless you have any credible evidence to add to the discussion; I'll leave discernment, on what has been presented, up to the readers.

RDKirk said:

I would not say it's an "order of succession" at all. "Order of succession" would mean that all the edicts of the earthly king originate with Christ.

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Guess you haven’t read much history.

RDKirk said:

Christ is the Head directly connected to His body as an entirely different chain of command, and the King is outside that chain of command.

Again, we are ambassadors of the Kingdom of Heaven assigned to the kingdoms of earth to proclaim the glories of our own King and nation.

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You’re a witness. Being a king is an entirely different ballgame.

I took the trash out around 3 p.m. and the lid of the container was partially iced up. I did get the job done though.

keras said:

On the contrary, all of the verses I provided in #154, refer to the one event - the great and terrible Day of the Lords vengeance and wrath.
Your replies are just to 'shoot the messenger', and flood the thread with the opinions and beliefs of preterism and Spiritualism.

Tell us when you think the righteous will enter Israel and extend all their boundaries?

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It depends on the verses we are looking at.
Some happened thousands of years ago when Cyrus let any Jewish person - whether Israelite or from Judah - go home.
Some refer to both in that there are elements of the prophecy being fulfilled under Cyrus, and other elements that have more eternal matters to in mind.
Paul said in Romans "make every effort to enter that rest." It wasn't so much a land he was talking about, but instead, took Joshua's principle of safety and rest for God's people in a specific land to refer to heaven and paradise and the NHNE itself!
Hebrews said Abraham wasn't looking just for a better city, but for heaven itself.
So - it depends! The OT is a big place, and that's why I posted reminders as to the amount of work we must do lest we play silly subjective navel-gazing games with the text.

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When will the Lord send fire to consume our enemies? Isaiah 26

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The same as above.
It's already happened, because you HAVE NOT addressed the verses I listed above in context.
Those verses ARE SPECIFICALLY about OT kingdoms.
Go have a look!
Yet - in other places - there seems to be something more eternal in mind.
The same with Rev 6.
It's not some dumb astronomical event.
It's the terrifying return of the Lord himself - returning in power and judgement! They cry out to the mountains to fall on them and hide them from God's face - because they are not ready.

But you can't let yourself see the actual meaning in the text can you?
Because then you might have to admit that Revelation is a waltz, not a timeline.
It's a sermon on suffering that repeatedly reminds us the Lord will return one day and sort all this out, not a future timetable to decode like some B-Grade Dan Brown novel.

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I don’t follow this argument at all.

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The prophecy is about a Greek kingdom being divided into four parts and a particular blasphemous individual appearing. According to the dream, this has happened once. But you might believe history repeats itself so you do you.

linux.poet said:

The context of Matthew 18:8-9 (the cutting off of hands passage) is clearly the entire Body of Christ, not any individual member. The context is Matthew 18:15-20, which talks about removing church members through excommunication. When parts of the Body of Christ become diseased, they are to be removed.

The first time the cutting off of hands analogy appears, however, is Matthew 5:29, and the context is Christ’s followers purging sin from themselves by following even harsher standards than that of the scribes and Pharisees. The analogy is meant to tell us how much we should despise sin in the flesh, and the zeal we should have in getting rid of it, not to inspire literal amputations. We are to be perfect as Our Heavenly Father is perfect.

Neither passage in Matthew has any bearing on the meaning of Romans 13, which is a direct command given to believers in order to preserve the order and dignity of the church. One mocks these instructions at their own peril of judgment by Our Lord on behalf of the Holy Spirit who gave those instructions to Paul.

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I don’t think stealing from Caesar is a good idea.

jonojim1337 said:

I think the problem is that some translations make you think one becomes a priest or a king by matter of faith, but if you’ve actually read the Bible then it is clear that there is an order of succession in both offices, even if the cornerstone of it all, is faith in Christ of course.

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I would not say it's an "order of succession" at all. "Order of succession" would mean that all the edicts of the earthly king originate with Christ.

Christ is the Head directly connected to His body as an entirely different chain of command, and the King is outside that chain of command.

Again, we are ambassadors of the Kingdom of Heaven assigned to the kingdoms of earth to proclaim the glories of our own King and nation.

stevevw said:

Ok so I will engage again but please refrain form the personal attacks.

This time I think I will take a more pragmatic approach and walk through this step by step.

So the first thing is to clarify what you are saying. Are you saying that all the examples shown so far have natural explanations.

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Cut out the baloney, you did not even engage when responding to my posts by deliberately ignoring the content and then lying by omission by claiming there are no refutations of your pseudoscience using peer reviewed science or evidence which supports the Egyptians used rudimentary tooling and high levels of craftsmanship.

What I pointed out to you in my post is the pitfalls of using YouTube videos instead of peer reviewed science as it was riddled with errors.
Here is another monumental error from your video.




Here is a brief lesson for you in “material science” not your butchering of the term to reflect a philosophical outlook.

The pretty colours in the image are due to a phenomenon known as birefringence which is an optical property of crystalline materials in which a single incoming light ray is split into two rays that travel at different speeds and in different directions through the material.
When plane-polarized light from a polarizing filter enters a birefringent crystal, it splits into two rays vibrating at right angles and at different velocities.
They exit the crystal out of phase and when recombined with another polarizing filter in the microscope they interfere producing interference colours as shown in the video image.

If the rock was melted and as the video points out rapidly cooled the crystalline structure would be destroyed and you end up with an amorphous rock. If the rock a geopolymer to start with there would be no crystalline structure as the mouldability depends on the geopolymer being amorphous. Geopolymers remain largely amorphous even after aging.

This what you would expect to see from an amorphous rock (in this case obsidian) as a result of heating and softening, or a geopolymer using a thin sliced samples and imaged with a polarizing microscope.


The irony is the video has destroyed its own hypothesis by the evidence it has presented.